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It doesn't seem that crazy to me. It was really easy to avoid getting any romantic experience through my late teens and early twenties. Granted, I was in physics, so not exactly surrounded by girls, and the topic of dating never really came up between us nerds. Then suddenly the uni is over, your current job is even more girl-free and you don't really have a clue how to approach dating anyway. And at this point you are too used to being alone to bother trying to fix anything. Makes perfect sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/18 02:31 PM
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Haha, yeah, it kinda is moving on, though slowly and I'm not exactly sure where. I guess I am, but, unfortunately, my normal life is very different from camping trips... Besides, the real question was always why any girl would even want to have someone like me in her life, not the other way round.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/18 10:07 AM
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Not exactly sure how it happened, but I ended up going camping for a couple of days for the first time in my life. The terrain was much less passable than we had expected, so our route was not very long, but it was still surprisingly fun. Also, cuddling with a girl next to a fire in the middle of a cold and dark forest is great and feels oddly primal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/18 01:23 PM
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Why, reddit, why...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/18 01:06 PM
3

Do people ever listen to the advice anyway? I just really doubt it. I know for certain that no amount of encouragement or "tough love" from internet strangers can make me actually do something I don't really want to do myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 03:17 PM
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28 y/o, purple in general, but probably closer to black when it comes to my own life. Zeroes to all other questions, there were never that many opportunities to date when I was younger and I didn't bother to seek them out specifically. Now it feels a bit too late for me to begin figuring this stuff out, but I don't really mind being alone anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/18 12:43 PM
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Well, I mostly played PC RPGs growing up but there are very few interesting games in that genre these days (and even they fail to live up to the excitement I felt when I played, say, Planescape for the first time). Also, I suck at playing casually - it's always all or nothing, and currently my other stuff (work, gym, tennis, guitar) doesn't leave me enough time to commit to some game seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 12:13 PM
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Well, it's personal, but something like "If a random girl you know wrote to you like I do, would you talk to her or not?". That sorta thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 11:25 AM
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Wow, literally two girls even know my phone number and now they somehow united to destroy my sanity with loaded-sounding questions that make zero sense to my male brain... For real, this is why I kinda don't regret my forever alone status. I'd take video games over social games any day (well, figuratively, because I haven't really played an actual video game in like a year).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/18 10:38 AM
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The man spends his college years surrounded by young, attractive and seemingly high quality women. I can't help but laugh every time I read something like this. If only that were true.... Damn STEM.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 06:16 PM
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I feel that the main problem with these classifications is that your stereotypes are outliers rather than some common things, perhaps because most people are probably average-ish in both alpha and beta. For instance, none of the people I went to uni with fit any of your four types particularly well. Hell, I can't even type myself, for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 12:12 PM
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Yay, I love being a special snowflake! Still, isn't inability to approach like the most common incel problem anyway? Most self-proclaimed incels tend to look pretty normal, judging by the pictures I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 05:06 PM
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TRP helped me realize that getting in shape is the single most important thing a guy needs to do. Out of curiosity, how exactly did it change your life? I am always surprised when I read stuff like this, because getting into a better shape made no difference in my life (well, in my nonexistent romantic life, being fitter is great overall). Admittedly, I am still very, very far from being a ripped Greek demigod, but I am definitely much fitter and probably better looking than I was a couple years…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 06:29 PM
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I might be an outlier, but I always did okay with minimal socializing, so I never felt particularly lonely in the general sense of the word. My worst moment was during my first solo vacation when I realized that I actually was thousands of kilometers away from home in a foreign country, alone, with absolutely nobody to even speak to. This feeling never came back, however, so either I got better at dealing with it (the idea is to always have something to do so there is no time for introspection) …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/18 07:27 AM
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Does he have financial independence? Financial? Yeah, definitely. Thing is, I personally don't really get it, but I don't think he can quit. Climbing the ladder is part of his identity now - it's not even about the money anymore, he could afford anything he wanted years ago, but he still takes on more and more challenges.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/18 06:40 PM
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Yeah, right, my father is basically a CEO and I'm definitely not seeing that freedom you are talking about. He works at least twice as much as me and hasn't been on a vacation in like 15 years. As much as I dislike it, I'd still gladly take my shitty scientist job over that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/18 09:06 AM
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I dislike your car analogy because it glosses over the fact that in the marketplace you are both the car and the car salesman. Personally, I don't really mind working towards being a better car, but I don't really have an interest in becoming a better salesman, yet it seems that the latter part is much more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/18 11:28 AM
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See, I really don't get this part. While joining the gym was a great idea (of course, doing so like 10 years ago would have been an even greater one) and it definitely improved my life in many ways, my (1) and (2) were not affected all that much. If anything, it made me more aware of my physical shortcomings and somehow lowered my self esteem even further.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/18 04:09 PM
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Well, as expected, this thread, while definitely cute, is also mildly depressing to read through...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 09:41 PM
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How you been getting on ? Fine, I guess. My interest and effort lately have been fluctuating with various success between work, gym, reading, bass and learning languages, but I still can't force myself to include dating or even having an actual social life somewhere in my goals. Honestly, I don't really have a "speaking to girls" barrier, as long as it's not sexual. The whole flirting thing, however, is some unthinkable undecipherable alien magic to me and I'm fairly certain I'm a lost cause in …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 02:44 PM
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Haha, it's nice to see that you are trying to motivate people again. Good luck, I would have given up on that pursuit long ago, considering how reluctant we are to listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 12:57 PM
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I really hate reading lists like this. On the one hand, it looks so clear and simple. On the other, this simplicity makes me 99% certain that absolutely none of these bullet points ever happened to me. I guess what's simple and obvious to you is some weird alien magic to me...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 07:46 AM
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I'm one of the forever single people, I guess. I never complained about it or announced it, but I think it was always fairly obvious that I was alone and wasn't doing much to fix it. However, since I didn't ask for advice, nobody ever volunteered to provide any. I'm actually kinda curious to know how it would go if somebody tried to "save" me. The weird part is that my older coworkers remarked on a few occasions that finding a girl must be really easy with my looks - not sure if they are onto me…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/18 11:06 AM
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Well, I probably would have been much more romantically successful as a girl, considering that I have zero aptitude for being the pursuer. However, getting into ANY kind of a relationship would be an upgrade over my current dating history, so that's not much of an achievement anyway. One more thing I can I think of is I probably would have been encouraged to study more feminine things like literature or languages which I might have enjoyed more (I really regret not learning a third language in m…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 12:11 PM
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Chad You keep using that word, but I don't think you are doing it right. There is absolutely no way it applies to me in any sense or form.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 01:15 PM
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For real, is this some weird American thing? I installed Tinder out of curiosity and somehow I still got matches despite empty bio and few presentable photos (the drawback of having no social life and doing everything alone). Furthermore, most people I wrote to were responsive and somewhat open to meeting in the real world. In fact, if I actually were an average guy (i.e., somebody capable of interacting with a woman in a romantic manner) and not, well, me, I'd probably find online dating easy a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 12:25 PM
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Okay, I think I'm officially romantically hopeless. There is a girl I've been spending some time with lately. I assume she likes me at least to some extent as she is making effort to hang out with me (oh, and the fact that we somehow ended up spending time together on February the 14th of all days might be a hint...), but I'm so far gone into the forever-alone-land that I have no idea what I'm even supposed to be doing as a guy to transition this into something more meaningful...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 07:08 PM
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Dunno, maybe it’s not that simple. Last time I checked, I was pretty far from being low T, but it didn’t seem to affect me all that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 05:51 AM
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I'd probably increase it to the max, just to see if it motivates me to actually do something about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 08:31 PM
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It's hard to argue against correlations, but in my case it was more like this: Be smarter than average -> end up studying physics -> get a job in a research institute -> earn zero money. And, in my experience, nobody actually cares how tall, fit or good looking you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/18 06:33 PM
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I guess that's kinda true, I did okay in school (like A- okay), but it wasn't really interesting or challenging because I coasted on my smarts 99% of the time, so the problem solving and competition aspects of video games appealed to me. However, I feel that video gaming was always a social-ish hobby at heart: at first, it was a niche interest I could bond over with other people, then I played some games competitively which gave me a community to belong to, after that I played some MMOs which wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/18 06:32 PM
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I find it weirdly optimistic that my mother still expects me to get married and have kids eventually. I mean, I'm in my late 20s and I never even dated anyone, at this point it's probably safe to assume nothing's gonna change in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/18 06:26 PM
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It's not the app that's the problem, but rather the whole concept of online dating where you are presented with an array of lifeless profiles of potential options. It didn't sound too bad in theory, but somehow it turned out to be much less fun in practice. Maybe I'm just not ready for dating ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 09:44 AM
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Finally decided to delete my Tinder profile. I don't know, somehow I feel that neither getting more matches nor getting no more matches is going to make me happier. All these superficial options kinda suck. In fact, I probably was the happiest when I was absolutely sure I had no options whatsoever and was doomed to remain alone (well, I guess I still am with this attitude). Also, The Heart is a Lonely Hunter is my first book of the year and, wow, what a powerful and depressing book it is, I just…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/18 06:50 PM
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Signing up for Tinder literally eliminated my "Forever Alone" fears overnight (though I still have issues on the dates themselves). That's interesting because in my case going on a couple of dates actually solidified the very same fears. Turns out it doesn't matter that I'm decent looking enough to get dates when I have absolutely no idea how I'm supposed to act on them and when I find the whole dating process alien and incomprehensible.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 09:46 PM
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If you count getting a date/number as a success, then I don't think it's that simple. My job is entirely male, my hobbies are mostly solitary and I prefer to spend most of my time alone anyway. As a result, for me getting a date through online dating would be much, much easier than getting it from anywhere in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 12:09 PM
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Kinda meh overall, though definitely better than 2016. The good: every year I am amazed that my lab manages to get some publishable results despite limited funding and equipment. Also, my vacation in Thailand was more fun than I had expected, considering I basically hopped onto a plane with almost zero planning. Going to the gym is sort of paying off too, at least on the tennis court. Improving my physique is not bad either, though it doesn't matter that much. The bad: I am still hopeless when i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/18 05:37 PM
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Hm, New Year resolution time, except I don't really know what goals to go for... Something like this, I guess: Easy difficulty: stick to the gym. I'm not all that happy with my progress and, contrary to the RP sub, it didn't turn me into Chad overnight, but I can't deny it has been a positive change overall. Normal difficulty: be slightly more social and maybe try going on some dates to get some practice and to see where it goes. Very Hard difficulty: throw away my wardrobe and start caring abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/17 08:34 PM
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Can’t almost any man get laid a lot by just acting sleazy? Like just being sexually forward all the time or a lot of the time. I think it's like saying that any man can get an A in maths if he writes all the correct answers. It's (probably) right in theory, but there is a reason many people can't just go ahead and do that. I know that this sort of forwardness would be so out of character for me that I'd rather remain alone forever than try it (or choose the dreaded friendzone over creepiness). A…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 06:00 AM
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Come on, everyone is a tall Chad on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/17 04:33 PM
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I'm also kinda puzzled when it's implied that if you can't get women then you can use your spare time to get rich. Perhaps in the US you can be an awkward nerd working some tech job and make a lot of money, but I'm not sure that stereotype actually exists in my country. The richest self made person I know is my father, who got there by being confident, hardworking and charismatic, and also by being good at networking and taking risks (the traits I, the proverbial awkward nerd of the family, seve…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/17 01:36 PM
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Honestly, I don't really know why, at this point I simply can't see it ever happening and of course this attitude becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 04:12 PM
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I don't think self improvement would be completely gone without women. Even though I don't expect to ever get laid, I still go to the gym, show up at my work and put in some effort, or try to learn some skills in my spare time. Self improvement gives me some tangible goals and ultimately makes me happier, while lying in bed all day sounds impossible - I would probably go insane within a month if I tried to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 08:49 AM
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Well, I'd love to live in your fantasy world where women throw themselves at you if you are tall and decent looking, but my experience so far has been pretty different ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 06:12 AM
1

Haha, no, I personally hit the jackpot of all three things I mentioned (asocial/inhibited/lazy), so my looks didn't even have a chance to come into play, and now I'm too content with being alone to bother trying. I don't know, for some reason I can't really feel bitter about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 06:31 PM
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Okay, real talk. I like the black pill because I have a vaguely pessimistic outlook on life in general, but, honestly, I'm not really seeing those things you people are talking about. Most people I knew didn't really have to improve themselves particularly hard to get partners, simply being social and occasionally doing fun stuff was more or less enough (and, again, I studied physics, so it's not like many of us were athletic Chads). People who ended up single did that for obvious reasons: they …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 10:13 AM
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I don't know, benching feels very technical to me. Light benching is fun, but trying to bench closer to my 2RM instantly exposes that I still really suck at it. I know that there is no reason to go heavy if I'm not a powerlifter, but it's still kinda sad. Honestly, I kinda wish I had a decent place to hang rings from - ring dips or even pushups were the most fun pushing movements I've ever tried. Rack pulls instead of deadlifts? Yeah, maybe I should give those a try. I don't really mind conventi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 07:38 AM
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Honestly, thinking that getting fitter will magically fix everything is even more retarded. Or expecting sad depressed people to dedicate years of effort to something they probably don't really care for without getting discouraged somewhere along the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 06:03 AM
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Well, being too self critical is literally the bane of my existence... Anyway, it's not like I'm planning to abandon working out altogether. I just need some more fun or more practical goals since I don't really care about powerlifting or my physique. being tired and angry is actually a good thing How is it a good thing? Honestly, I think I've been reaching some unprecedented levels of saltiness on the tennis court lately...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 09:39 AM
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Hm, my lifting resolve is kinda beginning to waver a bit. I still find the big 3 lifts ugly, alien, and awkward, and I'm also stalling hard on the only lift I actually want to progress (OHP). Guess I'm not meant to be a ripped powerlifting Chad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Also, I feel that trying to play tennis 4-5 times a week and progress on my lifts while also cutting is making me tired and a bit ... more angry? Maybe it's time to reassess my fitness goals a bit. Or maybe I just need a small break.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 06:35 PM
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Most guys could put themselves in the top % of men just by lifting a few days a week. You are technically right, but you are also conveniently leaving out the part where it says that you are supposed to do that for years while following a reasonable program and diet. I admit that it's not exactly hard to do (and that I probably should have started thinking about it much earlier than my late 20s...), but it's also very, very easy to not do - there is little incentive to go to the gym consistently…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/17 03:06 PM
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Well, either your standards for "muscular" are way too low or my perceptions of an average guy are skewed by me being one of those useless physics people ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/17 08:34 PM
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Yeah, I guess swimming is a good way to build a conventionally attractive body, I'll give you that. Plus, being on a team probably guarantees some consistent effort and progression. as long as they threw a frisbee around with friends and biked on the weekends, had enviable bodies. This, however, I can't believe even for one second. I was never overweight in my late teens and twenties, and I've been casually playing soccer and tennis all that time, and yet my body was very, very far from "enviabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/17 08:19 PM
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Out of curiosity, do your posts reflect your actual opinion or are you just trying to mirror the incel rhetoric to show how absurd it can get? I can't really figure it out anymore. Because, for instance, this is completely not true: Physical "perfection" for men can be achieved by not being a fat slob nor a skinny fat slob who never does an once of sport. And I really doubt that not having the perfect waist to hip ratio automatically turns you into 0/10 anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/17 06:18 PM
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Or if your profile says you just looove country music, I am probably not going to respond to you because I am more of an alt rock girl. Your first example makes sense, but this one sounds, I don't know, a bit too close minded? My last date's music preferences were very different from mine and listening to her explain why she likes what she likes was really interesting. Granted, in the end, the date still didn't really go anywhere, but liking different music definitely wasn't the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/17 05:04 PM
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Expected a "Cat person" story, got a Nice Guy™ story instead. Where do I apply to get 15 minutes of my time back? as proof of how difficult it is to be a woman in the modern world. Wait, what? How does the story prove that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 12:35 PM
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Hm, the world works in mysterious ways. My messing around with Tinder in a roundabout way led to a certain girl remembering about my existence. We used to share a few classes back in uni and, apparently, she had a crush on me (no idea why, we didn't talk much). So, now she is reaching out to me and inviting me to hang out with her and her friends. I'm kinda curious to see where it goes, but I have a suspicion it won't actually go anywhere because at this point I'm way too far gone to be capable …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/17 07:52 AM
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my boss doesn't like to see any sources with an IF less than 5. Less than 1 is like, for desperate times. Out of curiosity, what field are you in? Biology? As a physicist working in a small lab in the second world, there is just no way I could afford to be that picky...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/17 12:23 PM
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Who cares why not just be a normal guy? Congratulations. It's hard to give worse advice than "just be yourself", but somehow you did it! Also, I thought the BP position was that most guys are normal and do fine, so your last sentence is kinda weird. Unless your advice is to be a "desperate thirsty loser", of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/17 08:05 AM
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I’m essentially asking if you didn’t play tennis would you feel more or less over all confident about yourself? Probably no real difference. Honestly, I don't think I ever could be confident about myself anyway, regardless of my competence in anything. However, I would certainly be more bored and depressed without sports, and that's what matters to me in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 02:52 PM
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Eh, I'm agreeing with you in theory, but it's not really working out for me all that well. Maybe for other people being confident at something bleeds over into other areas of their lives, but it's simply not the case for me. My "sports" persona and my daily life persona do not really overlap. Honestly, I just don't really get it. I've been playing tennis for years and all it did was made me realize much more acutely just how insanely good the top players actually are. And, consequently, how lack…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 02:18 PM
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I agree and the fact that I didn't play any sport seriously enough in my teens is probably my only real regret. However, I think your listed benefits are kinda overhyped or at least don't apply to everyone. I played a lot of soccer casually and was decent at it, but I can't say it instilled any "discipline of mind and body" or "skills of camaraderie, fraternity, and accountability" (even though I played probably the most accountable position). Maybe it would have been different had I trained for…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/17 07:20 AM
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Out of curiosity, how do you teach someone to be less boring? And doesn't the definition of "boring" depend on the person asked anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/17 06:47 PM
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I don't even have social media and I barely read 100 books per year... And that's fiction, which I actually like. If I tried to read nonfiction, I'd probably quit within a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/17 08:55 AM
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I think plenty of women would love to snag themselves a good-looking guy to marry even if he's inexperienced and his game is nonexistent See, I would probably agree with this in theory, because it makes sense, yet I see no evidence of that in my own life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/17 06:00 AM
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I'll believe you when I see any evidence of my Chadness in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 05:36 PM
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lol, how am I a Chad?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 04:37 PM
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I prefer to reject myself before I actually get the chance to be rejected by other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 03:08 PM
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Isn't it the opposite? It is very easy to get some form of social contact, but romantic validation is much harder to obtain, especially when your confidence and self esteem are at rock bottom precisely because you receive no romantic validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 08:59 AM
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Ten years ago I might have agreed with that, but not now. There is absolutely zero chance of anything happening unless I work for it, to think otherwise is delusional. Besides, even if that were true, her version of "easy for me" would probably be very different from mine anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/17 06:15 AM
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Yeah, you are probably right... I don't know, though, I think I'm kinda done with the whole thing for now. I'll probably eventually pick it up again in a couple of weeks or months, if I find the motivation for it, but right now I can't muster any will to put in that final effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/17 08:10 AM
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Oh, I missed your essays :D Have you tried.... Trying to get her to sleep with you. See, that feels like too grand a goal already. Besides, even if it was attainable, I'm really hesitant about subjecting an unsuspecting person to my sexual inexperience and incompetence. I know there is no way around that other than practice, but still... Then why not try having sex a few times to see if that awakens an interest ? I like how you are talking about it as if it was as easy as going to the grocery st…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/17 10:15 AM
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Are you asexual Nah, I don't think so. Just ... too repressed, I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 05:56 PM
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I think the key for you is to carry on gaining experience in chatting to girls. Not sure about that, to be honest. You are supposed to make some targeted effort to improve and progress when you gain experience, simply talking to see where it goes seems kinda pointless and unlikely to lead to any actual improvement. I’d ask.... Have any of the tinder dates you’ve been on indicated interest in a 2nd date ? Eh, maybe one of them. But the problem is that I am not sure if I want anything myself. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 02:47 PM
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"Easy to implement", right... I mean, it makes sense in theory, but it's such an alien idea to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 12:19 PM
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You know, when you write it all down like this, I really kinda lose all hope. While I could do the comfort stage, I'm terrible at all things described in the attraction stage and touching is super hard and unnatural for me (mostly because friendly touch is not really a thing in my culture and I have no romantic experience). Sexual stage is even more of a mystery and I'm pretty sure my biological programming is deader than dead at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 08:42 AM
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I mean, it was kinda fun - I do enjoy listening to people talk about stuff they care about in detail. However, I have a sneaking suspicion that with the way it's all going in 3 years I'll still be as alone as I've been all my life. Oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 08:28 AM
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See, people say we don't offer directly relevant and useful advice... Honestly, I don't deny that some of the advice offered by TRP and especially red leaning people here can be useful, it's just that it's tailored for way more normal people than me. Unfortunately, I'm very unlikely to actually follow any of it...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 08:20 AM
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Ehrm, to be honest, somehow your version of first date sounds even more boring... Though, it's probably because I don't think I'll ever have the confidence to do the most important part of your description: While doing that escalate physically, say something nice about her makeup, kiss her, tell her you had a nice time, take her to your place and fuck. Or organise a second date, at a bar right around your place, on a day that place is closed. Go there, act surprised, tell her you live just aroun…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/17 08:15 AM
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Okay, for real, there is no point in being good looking enough to get matches and dates when I have no idea how to act, what to do and even what I want from this whole thing in the first place. Wtf do people even talk about on first dates? Because yesterday my coffee date somehow segued from small talk into 4 hours of mostly her talking about language use, psychology, the impact of culture on mental health, obscure-ish art and music and god knows what else. B-but mah blackpill told me girls do n…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/17 07:00 PM
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ISTP
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/17 05:42 AM
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Wait, my type only has two types as ideal matches and nothing else, no "good chances"? Great.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/17 12:49 PM
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I'd suggest reading Charlotte Bronte and Jane Austen too Oh wow, that's some weird advice. I read them in my 20s but, while I really liked some of the books and found their perspectives surprisingly different from those of classic male writers, it didn't make me any less awkward around real life women (who would have thought....).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/17 07:55 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqZNMvIEHhs
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/17 03:34 AM
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I don't know how to put myself out there either. Yep. I mean, I can write to one of my Tinder matches and set up a date of some sort. It will probably go somewhere between "meh" and "okay" and then we will probably go our separate ways and never talk again. I have no idea how to go from this to something meaningful and yet it feels that I'm expected to lead the way (as a guy), which sounds like a problem... Wait, you are a woman? Interesting. but you'd be surprised how few men are interested in …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 02:44 PM
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Haha, your second paragraph is basically me. Well, except that my studying these days is confined to my job and that I am not really all that nerdy so it's mostly gym, sports, music or reading instead of video games. But my social circle is still tiny and entirely male, so I'm definitely clueless and awkward around women, and "putting myself out there" is not that easy...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/17 01:27 PM
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Me too, but that's why labels suck. I'm definitely not alpha and most normal betas at my age are already married and might even have a child or two. Omega is all that's left ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 09:16 AM
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So? It just means that I'm normal looking enough. A couple of first dates that do not go anywhere doesn't count as "romantic experience" anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 08:56 AM
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How would you describe yourself then? See flair. Having few friends, no social life and zero romantic experience technically makes me an omega by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 08:33 AM
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Why don't you think TRP is for you? Because I'm not really "beta" in TRP terms, so a lot of the stuff is not applicable. What do the women say here that bothers you? Entitlement, being dismissive towards struggles of men, lack of empathy. On second thought, these things are not really unique to either men or women, they are simply human, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 07:57 AM
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Hm, not exactly "insights", but whatever. First, the negatives: Reading about the stuff discussed here is counterproductive to fixing my own life. The more I read, the more likely I am to overthink and the less likely I am to actually do stuff. It made me realize that TRP, even if I did find it appealing (which I don't), is not exactly for me. There is this annoying undercurrent here implying that if you have trouble with finding a partner, you must be some despicable horribly unattractive perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/17 07:24 AM
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So, continuing my weekly subject of depressing books. I finally got round to reading "No Longer Human". I've been postponing it for a long time, retaining some vague hope of eventually learning enough Japanese for actual books, but my drive for it, unfortunately, kinda petered out. Anyway, the book is amazing, impactful and depressing, but, somehow, I don't think I can formulate a meaningful opinion on it, at least not yet. It's both alien and entirely relatable, and I can't decide whether I wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 07:34 PM
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More choice is always better, right? Not sure about that. I feel it's actually harder to choose when you have many roughly equal options so I end up not choosing anything at all. Besides, even if you won't message all of your matches it must feel good to know that many people are attracted to you. Sort of true, but it doesn't matter when it does not lead to anything in the real world. Even if I posted my photo and got rated 6/10 or 8/10 or whatever, it won't change the fact that outside the inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 09:59 AM
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For some reason, I love that he needed to emphasize the "unwashed" part, as if it would have been totally okay otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 08:50 AM
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Now more than ever, we're capable of comparing ourselves to others. 4 matches a month on Tinder gets a whole lot worse when you see men that get hundreds. For real though, what's the point of getting hundreds of Tinder matches? I'm getting like 5 matches per week and it feels like too much already - I don't really have the time or will to meet or even write to so many people. And I don't even have a social life - it must be harder for those who actually do stuff or hang out with friends. That sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/17 08:47 AM
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In the past I've given multiple green lights to shy guys, "Are you coming to Joe's cookout tonight? I'll be there!" As a shy guy, I would probably say yes to anything that sounds reasonable and fun, but there is absolutely no way I would see it as any sort of "green light". Especially if you make the invitation sort of indirect, like your example.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/17 07:40 PM
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a better person for society What does that even mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/17 07:44 AM
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Are Russians that tall? No, we are not, unless he's talking about some very specific location. Average is probably around 5'9"-5'10".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 03:10 PM
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Nah, in the grand scheme of things the app itself doesn't really matter because, as you said, I have no real intention of putting effort into actual dates. I don't know, somehow I never had a strong drive to pursue women and now I feel too old to get started on that front (besides, it's a red flag to be inexperienced when you are almost 30 anyway). It's just nice to know I'm not exactly 0/10, I guess. Have you ever asked your friends to set you up with someone? Friends? I don't really have any a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 09:13 AM
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But there is no "initiator's advantage" on, say, Tinder as you can't initiate without getting a match first. There is no reason for women to swipe right on less attractive men. Looking through my matches (not that I have many), I don't really think any of them are in a way "higher attractiveness percentile" than me, but I have no idea how to gauge my own attractiveness anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/17 07:56 AM
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I don't get it. I don't even like red pill, but almost none of these are even slightly cringeworthy. Besides, listing CMV posts is a bad idea because most of them have intentionally edgy titles to provoke a response.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/17 06:04 PM
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Nah, I simply can't see it leading to anything meaningful. Besides, it feels like I'm expected to do all the work when it comes to dating, but I gave up on it so long ago that now I can't really get invested enough to put in the effort required.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 08:45 PM
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Honestly? No, not really. There is my life and there's theirs, one can't really affect the other. Knowing my problems aren't unique doesn't make them go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 08:11 PM
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I choose music over literature hands down. : ) I would probably choose music too if I had more opportunities to go to concerts, listening at home is not impactful enough. Unfortunately, the bands I listen to don't even visit my country, let alone my city. Literature, on the other hand, can be fully enjoyed anywhere and anytime. I felt really great after only about 15min of talking English Hah, same thing. Talking to others in English (and, at one point, even in broken Japanese) during my vacatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 08:04 PM
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Books that hit so close to home can really drag you down. Yeah, but isn't it amazing that reading fiction can affect you so much? I am just fascinated by this and I think that literature is probably my overall favourite art form. I just wish I had time and patience for more reading - now it's mostly public transport plus occasional binge reading on weekends. Besides, it allows me to retain some semblance of English proficiency, which isn't too bad. Not that I really need it for anything OTHER th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 06:32 PM
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Have you finished it? Yeah, I did - I think it's a pretty fun book overall. Eleanor is quirky but likable, the story never drags on for too long and it's great that the author didn't go for too happy of an ending. I guess it's also good to be reminded of the little social pleasantries that normal well adjusted people might take for granted. However, I don't really think it's anything more than a fun book. Seeing the world from the perspective of a mentally unhealthy person can be interesting, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 06:17 PM
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Honestly, I just find it amusing that OP makes it obvious she doesn't care in the slightest what guys actually want, it's all about pleasing the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 05:56 PM
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So, I picked up "Eleanor Oliphant is completely fine" on a whim and boy is this book worrying. The heroine has no friends and lives the life of routine until she accidentally bonds with Raymond, an IT guy, over calling an ambulance for an elderly guy who has collapsed on the sidewalk. Raymond reaches out to her and drags her out of her shell, basically forcing her to learn how to human and get over her issues. Anyway, I guess I wanted to know how much I would relate to Eleanor, since my social l…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/17 07:53 AM
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No, not really, though I definitely can't say that I am a fan of hard work and effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/17 03:39 AM
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Nah, I know I should practice social skills, it's just that it's unlikely that I'll ever actually do it. I don't get many opportunities naturally, and I doubt I'll ever seek out socializing for the sake of socializing anyway. I think that you should keep trying if you do want to have a shot with a relationship some day, because how else would you expect to get one? Of course I know that I won't magically end up in a relationship, I'm not that delusional. And I'm not really sure if I am even inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/17 01:00 PM
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What you are writing makes sense, except for the fact that it was my second first date, so a different person (I didn't word that very clearly). So just a personality mismatch, I guess. And, anyway, I'm not really sure I want any second dates with anyone yet, or, honestly, any more first ones for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 02:47 PM
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What do you think could help you improve awkwardness? The most realistic option: I clear out nearby ruins, kill the boss monster and find a magical item with a bonus to social skills. The second most likely option: I travel back in time into my childhood and relive my life, doing the opposite of what I've done at every juncture. As a result, I become a normal well-adjusted person. The least likely option: I practice? I say get back out there :) Nah, I think I'm kinda done for now. It's not reall…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/17 06:15 AM
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Nah, in hindsight, it wasn't really fun overall and I eventually said something I obviously shouldn't have said (though I personally wouldn't have been offended by that). I felt kinda guilty about it at first, but then she sent me some follow up messages basically claiming moral high ground over me and now, magically, I don't care anymore. Besides, why would you moralize to the person you'll never meet again?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 08:47 PM
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That's like saying that losing a foot in a bear trap is not a bad experience because now you know what they look like and can avoid them in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 07:37 PM
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Oh man, I take back everything I said about me not being that socially awkward. My second Tinder coffee date went soul crushingly bad. I was awful, talked too much, listened way less than I should have, and said some really wrong things without ever intending to. And she was such a nice person too... Maybe I really should remain alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 04:53 PM
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For men: are you happy with roughly how 'smart' you are, and do you want to be with someone who is equal/higher/lower/don't care on the intelligence scale? I think I am exactly in that awkward area where I can't help but analyze and overthink everything, yet not smart enough for it to be remarkable. So I'm not really sure if I'm happy with my intelligence, but it's not like I can change it anyway, so whatever. As for the second question, I can't answer it as I don't really have any dating experi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/17 01:32 PM
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Okay, Tinder is kinda intimidating me, lol. It was easy when I only had a couple of matches, but I got to 12+ when I wasn't really looking, and now I feel that all these hypothetical options are somehow making it less likely that I will write to any of them at all. I wonder how girls choose between their supposed hundreds of matches...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/17 06:58 PM
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Does porn turn you on ? Wait, what? What does that have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/17 07:33 PM
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Come on, it's just a coffee date, not like I'm getting married :D And you had fun? Is it that surprising? Despite the whole forever alone thing, it's not like I hate people or go through life gloomy and depressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/17 12:16 PM
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yet no interest from the girl. Yeah, that can be true, I guess, but so what? Good conversation is good conversation. I know I'm an outlier in this respect, but I've been alone all my life and I'm fairly content with that, so I'm fine with whatever outcome. If we like each other, great. If not, who cares? Leaving my basement to talk to actual people seems like not that bad a deal on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/17 11:11 AM
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Okay, I know it's nothing for you Chads, but I went to grab a cup of coffee with one of my Tinder matches (first date-like activity ever for me, how fucking depressing is that). Anyway, now I'm kinda ... baffled? I was nervous beforehand, considering how socially inept I am, but I think I'm overestimating my own awkwardness quite a bit, so it was really fun to actually talk to another person for once. The problem, however, is that while I genuinely like people, I can't imagine ever feeling any s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 05:31 PM
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The same reason I hated being called "smart" back in school, I guess. It doesn't acknowledge your efforts and reduces you to a label instead, even if a positive one. Grander, Tinder is probably not the best place for such sentiments.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 04:44 PM
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Okay, I'm basically in your position and my advice for you is simple: don't read anything. If you are interested in relationships, go ahead and pursue them. When you have concrete and specific questions, it's okay to look for advice, but before that? No way. TRP is super discouraging and it makes me hate the game I haven't even played, and this sub is somehow worse. If I could unread everything I've read online about dating, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/17 05:58 AM
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As a practical person, I really hate these words that don't really mean anything concrete.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/17 06:00 AM
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I guess I'm a romantic deep inside, so I want to be liked for who I am, not for being 6'1" (yeah, I know that being 6'1" is part of who I am, whatever). Besides, while I'm not one of the guys attracted to "big bouncy qualities", at least I understand those who are, but height is such a pointless thing to be attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/17 03:32 AM
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Hey, get a social life Sure, I'll just hop into a social life store after work and pick one up. Joking aside, I don't know, I think I'm kinda happier alone at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/17 07:39 AM
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There is this very relatable quote from some comedian that goes kinda like this: "when I walk past people, nothing happens. That's how I know I'm a 5." So, I guess, that makes me a 5. You could add a point if you are very generous for me being 6'1" and having pretty eyes. At the same time, I'm also a 0/10 because I have the charisma of a spruce log and no social life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 05:17 PM
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I don't know, even if I did bother with all those TRP prescribed things, I can't really imagine inspiring lust in anyone. That's such an alien idea to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 02:00 PM
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BB is an okay aspiration if incel/Omega is your only other option. As someone who somewhat voluntarily lives the life of basically an omega, I simply don't get how BB can be an "aspiration". I can sort of see the appeal of being alpha in theory (though I don't really want to put in the required effort), but BB sounds like a downgrade - you trade away your freedom to do whatever you want for more obligations and hard work.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 08:35 AM
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Why are so many threads about height again? And how come 5'7" is the new 5'4"? As a sidenote, I'm almost tempted to write my height in my Tinder profile to see if it makes any difference. But I think I'll only be disappointed if it helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/17 03:43 AM
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Yeah, physics. To be fair, it was a special department, so we were basically separated from other students.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 06:27 PM
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Florida State University: campus full of girls willing to say yes to dates. My university experience: 1 girl to 24 dudes. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 06:19 PM
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Well, a certain movie told me that American names "don't mean shit", but still, why would you name your daughter Nevaeh?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 01:14 PM
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West.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 01:12 PM
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Ah, but the difference is that you live in London and I live in the middle of Russian nowhere. Well, not exactly nowhere, to be honest, but it's fairly safe to assume that your event selection trumps mine. My closest option is probably going to some rock/EDM music festival and drinking myself into oblivion there, but I'm way too inhibited to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/17 07:37 AM
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Finally finished City of Miracles, the last book in the Divine Cities series by Robert Jackson Bennett. I have to say I'm pretty impressed - in my opinion, this is how fantasy trilogies should be done. Each book has a reasonable conclusion, a distinct flair and can be read on its own, but the latter books become only better because you are more invested in the world and characters. And his writing is certainly very enjoyable, though his naming sense could use some work. Also, I realized I spent …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/17 07:07 PM
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That's interesting, what made you take that direction in the first place if you don't mind me asking? That's a tough question... Honestly, I think one of the reasons was my grandmother dying - she was strict and old school, so she did a fairly good job of keeping me relatively normal. She probably was the most influential parental figure in my life - my father, sadly, either trusted my "normie" facade way more than he should have or was too busy climbing the ranks at his job. The second reason w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/17 07:57 AM
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Mental? Yeah, sort of. I think I remember you talking about how you used to be very awkward and had zero friends at some point in your youth, but later fixed yourself. Well, I'm kinda the opposite of you, I guess. I started out fairly normal but in my late teens, when most people around me were becoming more interested in each other and more social, I instead retreated into myself and became increasingly distant from others. The issue was exacerbated by the fact I was surrounded by very, very fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 06:12 PM
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Nah, I know I'm probably not completely hopeless when it comes to looks and I don't think it matters all that much anyway. My issues are different. you might as well message your matches and see where it goes. Yeah, I really should... It's just so damn hard to let go of the whole I'm-destined-to-be-alone-and-I'm-okay-with-it persona and actually reach out to people. Plus, I have no clue what to write in messages.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 12:33 PM
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Haha, I guess that makes me very similar to the basic Tinder girl - I've been to like 13 countries and that's probably the only noteworthy part of my life... Also, your post made me check out Tinder too and it looks like most people in my city don't even bother writing anything meaningful in the profile at all, just a couple of photos. Surprisingly, I even got some matches, though I can't decide whether I want to act on any of those.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/17 11:09 AM
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The two incredients to staying motivated are: Knowing what you need to do (or having a teacher who shows you) Constant progress These are important, but I think you also need to see some tangible and practical results that align with your goals. For instance, at some point I was trying to learn Japanese on my own. I was progressing through the textbook and learning more and more grammar and kanji, however, it was mostly "pure" knowledge. I eventually burned out and stopped because even though I …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 12:05 PM
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Well, I'm a physicist, so I kinda doubt it. At worst, all public speaking tasks might be relegated to other lab members, but that's about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 03:18 PM
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I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing, but I'm fairly certain my life wouldn't change at all if I woke up as 2/10 (or 10/10, for that matter). One of the features of being a loner, I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/17 02:11 PM
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Checked that post out and I'm kind of not sure how to answer. Honestly, I don't really care much for self improvement or getting better at stuff or being productive with my time or whatever. In fact, my current view is that simply "doing things is fun". However, the problem is that my definition of "doing" doesn't include socializing at all, which is basically how you eventually end up living your life completely alone with few natural opportunities to even interact with women, let alone be succ…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 02:45 PM
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Wrong? No way. Just doesn't seem that fun to me, something I can't see myself ever doing. Truth be told, sometimes I'm actually kinda envious of people who can spend their vacation just partying or chilling on the beach, without the compulsive need to see or do something new everyday.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 12:32 PM
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"Hi, I thought you were cute and wanted to say hello." See, I am fairly certain I could say that in English, but somehow I'm much more awkward and reserved in my native language. Time for a UK/US vacation, I guess? In addition, I think I'm actually more afraid of not being rejected outright. Rejection is nice and final, while not being rejected would leave me in truly uncharted waters, which is scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 10:04 AM
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“Club 18-30” holiday Googled it out of curiosity... What is this boring nonsense? You get one holiday a year, why would you waste time getting drunk with strangers in some generic party destination? It just sounds so unfun. I may be forever alone, but at least I try to actually see and do stuff when I travel...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 09:11 AM
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so are all 4 of those guys on their left side photos. Really? Guy number 2 is probably too fat, but the other 3 look more or less average-ish to my guy eyes. 1 seems normal as he is, 3 looks like an average uni student to me and 4 would probably look acceptable with clothes on. I'm not debating that looks can be improved (as I'm working on that myself), but your examples didn't exactly start at 0/10. Well, to be fair, most pics of incels I've seen didn't look like 0/10 either, but I assume truly…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 08:24 AM
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For example, people who are highly intelligent usually struggle with dating as they tend towards over analysing and being stuck in their head. They're also the ones prone to reading every game book to make sure they have a full understanding but never apply anything as they never feel they know enough. Hah, I'm not that highly intelligent, but this paragraph is so relatable it hurts. The most frustrating part is that I KNOW I'm actually much better at just doing stuff than at thinking, learning,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/17 07:23 AM
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Your problem is much more unusual in so far as you already have all the qualities and capabilities you’d need to be successful with girls. Like what qualities? Two arms, two legs and a working brain? Everyone has those. The way I see it, I literally have everything but those required qualities (status, social proof, frame, confidence, game, whatever), and I'm not really sure whether I care for any of those anyway. you’ve got to bite the billet and do that even though you will be shit at it at fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 10:52 AM
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Went to see another obscure-ish/artsy movie this weekend, the 2017 Berlinale winner Testről és Lélekről. It's a weird love story between the CFO and quality inspector working at the same slaughterhouse, who eventually bond and fall in love after sharing a dream in which they see themselves as ... deer? Yeah, this is stupid. Anyway, my inner romantic appreciated the love story with the happy ending, both leads were pretty good, and the juxtaposition of bloody slaughterhouse scenes and peaceful de…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 10:14 AM
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While it is definitely not perfect, I think it is good enough to warrant checking it out to form your own opinion. Besides, it is visually stunning, which makes it one of those movies (like, say, Dunkirk) that have to be watched at the cinema to be fully appreciated. So I think you should give it a try.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 07:32 AM
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I know that post is gilded and all, but while the car comparison does a good job of making incels look like idiots, it also makes absolutely zero sense to me. Like, I know I'm good at fixing stuff and practical problem solving, but social interaction is hard precisely because it's completely unlike fixing cars and because people are not really like machines. Casual social interaction is much less purposeful and has fewer reasonable rules than any interaction with machinery, which makes it much m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/17 07:25 AM
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Dude hasn't even tried and says he is doomed. Well, that's what happens when you don't try for long enough time and spend too much time on the internet. Objectively speaking, I don't even have any obvious physical disadvantages I could complain about, yet I can totally relate to the doom and gloom thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/17 01:52 PM
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what kind of people approach you with the desire to get closer to you? Invisible mute people, perhaps?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/17 02:15 PM
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Never. I'd like to blame my culture for this (talking to strangers here is very, very uncommon), but I'm fairly certain pickup communities exist anyway. So, I guess, I'm just scared and lack confidence in my social skills. No. No. Tough question. I don't really think about dating in my daily life and I'm okay with being alone, but I've never known any other life, so I'm biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/17 07:34 AM
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It's theoretically impossible to spend two weeks here and not be hitched up with a gook after that Out of curiosity, what are you supposed to actually do during these two weeks for that to happen? I spent two weeks in Thailand doing touristy stuff and it was just as easy to not get laid as it was back home. Granted, I wasn't really trying to, but it never felt like I was drowning in opportunities either way (unless you mean getting laid for money, in which case the opportunities were very in my …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/17 09:18 AM
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Browsing through my CD collection suddenly made me think how odd listening to music actually is. Like, isn't it amazing how a simple combination of sound and lyrics can send you on a journey and make you reach some emotional highs? And then you get addicted to these songs or even moments, but after a while that feeling passes and you don't get the same response anymore, so you keep exploring more and more artists and albums, always chasing that high. Humans are weird... Or maybe it's me who's we…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/17 07:48 AM
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Man. I don't want to give away my cloak of social invisibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/17 06:28 PM
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Honestly, I agree with you. I think confidence is task specific. Hell, I'm taller than average and probably more or less conventionally attractive but I have no confidence when it comes to dating precisely because I never cared about it or tried it. However, I do think you kinda lost the plot somewhere along the way. When I read your posts, it sounds almost as if you are trying to spite the advisers. See? I can deadlift xxx lbs, but I still can't get laid! I got new hobbies, but I still can't ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/17 01:36 PM
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That’ll never happen to me!! I’ve got social skills and I’ll make sure he does. That would probably be okay in your case, because you've spent time here reading these threads and thinking about this stuff, but I doubt it's true for most people. For instance, my parents are both more or less outgoing and social (especially my father), but I'm absolutely hopeless. Thing is, I think they don't even understand how hopeless I actually am because for them socializing is absolutely natural - so they ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/17 11:57 AM
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I'll take poor - becoming wealthy is cool, but being born into wealth is not really good. My family technically wasn't even wealthy, but I think I still picked up some negative personality traits due to this - I never needed to work hard in my life and it definitely shows, plus I realize I take many things for granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/17 04:41 AM
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I'd pay 2-4 of hookers to seduce him Is that actually a thing? Now I kinda wish someone did this to me - just to know whether I'll somehow manage to avoid getting laid even in this scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/17 04:20 AM
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it's more fun How so? I'm not a big fan of the boring bench/squat/deadlift, at least yet, but bodybuilding doesn't really sound more fun to me. Honestly, I'd probably choose a bit different lifts to focus on (like weighted calisthenics and maybe rings for upper body, and some less conventional lifts for lower body), but that would require putting effort into programming. Following a basic powerlifting routine while I'm still weak as a kitten is just easier. you are less likely to overtrain or fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 06:55 PM
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Yeah, but what for? Dunno, becoming stronger is kinda cool, but becoming bigger sounds pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 06:26 PM
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Wait, I get that powerlifting is technically somewhat useless if you are not planning to compete, but how is bodybuilding any better?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 02:38 PM
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Went to the gym this morning - today was bench day and a regular convinced me to work up to my 1RM for fun instead of my normal sets. I got 100 kg and it was kinda, I don't know, underwhelming? I thought 2 plate bench was supposed to be hype or something ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/17 06:18 AM
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It seems like the internet has a weird obsession with height and it matters much less in the real world. Granted, I'm not particularly tall (6'1"), but I never felt like it made any impact on my life at all. I don't think anybody treats me any differently or whatever, and I don't care how tall other people are myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/17 08:05 PM
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Well, technically, you are correct, but I think you are misunderstanding my main issue a little bit. I can see you how you would think that I'm avoiding women specifically, but that's actually not really the case - I'm avoiding any meaningful interaction with both genders. I don't think I'm autistic or ridiculously socially awkward, so I always got along okay with people I HAD to interact with (like coworkers or fellow students), but I did my best to keep these interactions as distant and superf…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/17 06:34 AM
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Well, the difference is that doing something on your own is much, much easier than doing anything that involves other people, at least in my experience. Besides, my job is 100% male, I have no social circle, I don't meet girls naturally, I don't go to bars or clubs, and, honestly, I haven't spoken to a girl for more than 1 minute in like a year. What am I even supposed to do? Daygame? That's scary as hell for someone who barely speaks 100 words a day and probably has no real social skills. I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/17 09:10 AM
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If you'd been taking action with females See, these words might mean something to you because you are a normal well adjusted person, but to me they don't mean anything. I have zero clue how to "take action with females". I can't "just fucking do stuff" when I have no idea what to actually do and how to approach it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 06:21 PM
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A young man, overflowing with desire, This is so not me. We are only one line in, and already I can't identify with the protagonist at all. Honestly, though, I'm not really sure about the advice. Some of it definitely makes sense, but, I don't know, somehow I don't really find it motivating? "Just doing it" instead of hesitating has worked out in many areas for me, but I can't apply it to dating because I have no idea what I want and I can't envision what success even looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 02:13 PM
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Well, to be fair, I never looked for advice, precisely because I never really cared about getting girls. I'm pretty sure that alone makes me very abnormal, at least for a male, so you are probably somewhat overestimating how "normal-ish" I am. Also, unfortunately, I looked (even) less attractive in my teens and early 20s - to the point where I get asked "is this really you?" question during every id check because I look nothing like my old pictures. That said, I don't think TRP style advice woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 01:23 PM
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It's that if you act like yourself, you will find someone who likes you for who you are, and that's going to be a good relationship. If you do things to get girls and it's not who you are, you will be unhappy. Never did things specifically to get girls, now I'm 28 with no romantic experience. Great advice!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/17 09:29 AM
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Still not talking to chicks, eh ? You really should make an effort to get over that some day soon. Nah, probably never gonna happen at this point. I'm so far gone that I have neither opportunity nor real desire to "talk to chicks". Some people are meant to die alone, I guess. How's the physics/bass stuff going ? Hopefully not as badly as the "talking to chicks" stuff. Haha, actually it is worse. I stopped playing bass during my Thailand vacation and can't get back into it again - usually too tir…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/17 01:15 PM
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Installed Tinder out of boredom, looked at a couple of profiles, realized I'll never be able to get pictures of quality comparable to the average user, uninstalled Tinder. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 02:43 PM
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Well, I'm sort of forever alone, so I'm very used to it and I never feel particularly lonely. I think the loneliest moment was when I was on my first solo vacation trip - it was somewhere in Germany, I think, and, as I had no real plans for my first day, I was kinda just sitting at a random park bench, bored, contemplating my sad pathetic life and feeling some weird mix of loneliness and homesickness. However, that feeling passed after first day and never came back again.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/17 02:34 PM
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there's a reason I'd rather put effort into obsessively recording everything I eat and performing repetitive physical actions to make numbers go up than actually going outside and talking to people. That's so true it hurts. Doing stuff, be it gym or whatever, is not hard, but I think that spending the rest of my life alone is easier than trying to approach and talk to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 08:44 AM
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Out of curiosity, what do you mean by "accomplishments"? Because I'm certain that like 99.9% of people have never done anything worthy of being called an accomplishment and yet most of them do fine in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/17 08:30 AM
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So you don't invest time in yourself outside of your relationship? No books, movies or dumb TV shows? Listening to/playing music? Taking a walk through the park alone? Not every second of your life should be dedicated to some Grand Purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 01:13 PM
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On the other hand, the percentage of men having sex only goes down past 29. So, if you haven't figured it out by then, you probably never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 12:53 PM
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Out of curiosity, was this post supposed to be motivational or something? Because it actually made me want to play videogames, not "grow up".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/17 10:51 AM
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Saw the pics. Bodyfat is your enemy. You have basic musculature already. Based on your looks, another 10-15kg of weight loss and you'll look great. I lost 15kg myself (75kg -->60kg) and only then I started to look good (I'm 168cm). Yeah, that's what I figured too, though I'm considering bulking some more first as I'll probably just look skinny at my current muscle mass because I'm taller (186 cm). Is pay for scientists really below population average? Well, not really, but the average is really …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 06:47 PM
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Self-esteem It is probably more related to mindset than actual success, in my opinion. pussy Lol, who cares about that. friends Yeah, that may be nice, I'll give you that. career opportunities. Not sure about that. My father went from the bottom to somewhat rich by my country standards and I'm not certain it actually made him happier. And seeing how much effort it took him was discouraging. It's about choice and sticking to that choice. Yeah, but how do you make that choice when you don't know w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 06:19 PM
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Fitness? Again, assuming you're actually very fit, this is a great thing. Eh, not very fit but probably slightly better than average (there should be a pic for reference in my recent comment history if you are curious). I'm working on it anyway, so it can only get better, I guess. Eh, if your education is letting you live an upscale lifestyle (via a solid career/job) Not how it works in my country. I'm not ashamed of my education - after all, there is nothing embarrassing about having masters (a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 05:39 PM
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Because most of these things take years of effort for questionable benefit? Even just fitness/confidence/charisma. Other things have no clear path to them - I'd love to wake up one day "driven and ambitious" and realize what I want to do with my life, but that's not gonna happen, especially when I can't even find motivation to finish my damn thesis...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 05:26 PM
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While TRP makes some sense, I'm not willing to put in the work to apply it in real life, so it would be wrong to use a red flair. Besides, I'm not the target audience of RP anyway - it's mostly for relatively normal people, not weird hopeless loners. On the other hand, BP is not a real thing and the TBP sub is even worse than TRP, so purple it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 11:00 AM
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trying something really hard What I don't get is where the trying really hard thing comes from. I'm fairly certain most people who are alone aren't actually trying really hard to find a partner and that is why they are alone (at least that's true for me). Like if you try to run a mile and fail then it's logical to assume that you are either fat, have very bad endurance or are handicapped. Actually, no. The most logical assumption is that the person has little experience with running, so he tires…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 10:17 AM
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but only some autists, 0/10s and weird religious people don't. Hm, I'm not any of these things, but I've never been in a relationship. "every woman who isn't prude like I want them to is a broken horrible cunt that can never stay loyal" "Broken horrible cunt" aside, how is this statement any worse than your explanation about virginity being a red flag? You are also using questionable logic to justify a prejudice. Are you trying to prove OP right or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 08:57 AM
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I just love lists like this. Whenever I think I should give dating a try, reading such lists makes me realize there is no reason to even bother - I literally have nothing from the list other than maybe fitness or education.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/17 08:27 AM
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That's a tough one. Well, these books have little in common when it comes to themes, settings and stories (honestly, both books are kinda outliers of fantasy anyway and I can't think of a book that is very similar to either Dune or SA). However, I do think there is a certain similarity in how cleverly they are written - you basically can read them as thrillers or read slowly and look for wisdom in every sentence. In the end though, one book is about power, religion, politics and ecology, while t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 06:48 PM
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Hm, I was like 13 when I read LotR and my English was much worse back then, so my impressions of LotR are kinda hazy at this point. However, I think that these two books are almost polar opposites. While both put heavy emphasis on worldbuilding, LotR is much more epic in scope while SA is more intimate and personal. LotR's prose, while beautiful at times, is much harder and slower to read and SA is a page turner. LotR tries very hard to make fantasy as realistic and unfantasy-like as possible wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 06:26 PM
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What? I meant that you are technically correct, and you certainly are if you take the incel label at face value. The problem is that they actually mean something like "unable to interact with women in a way that would instill genuine attraction and eventually lead to intimacy", which, unfortunately, does not have the same ring to it as "incel" does. As a sidenote, I actually kind of agree with you on the "just pay for it" part, but there is a lot of stigma attached to that option, so it's unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 11:30 AM
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While you are correct in "the best kind of correct" way, you are dismissive of the issue. Imagine the guy wants to learn to paint and to hang a painting in his living room. You fixate on the last part and tell him to just buy a painting instead. Then you try to argue that the end result is the same anyway - there is now a painting in his living room, after all. Do you see why the guy might have an issue with your advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 10:38 AM
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Haha, yeah, I get your point. Unfortunately, while I wish I could actually be as cool and stoic as a Terminator in the real life, that's not the case at all. Even though I'm definitely 100% dead inside and the thought "Fuck my life." crosses my mind more often than I would like it to, apparently it doesn't really show from the outside and I actually smile a lot more than I think I do. I guess I just shut down when I see a camera. Anyway, my dating and social issues mostly stem from the fact that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 10:10 AM
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Why not just pay someone for sex? This question is asked often, but I have no idea what this is supposed to even accomplish. So you pay for it, then what? You are magically cured just because you are not allowed to call yourself an incel anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 09:57 AM
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Surrendered to r/fantasy hype and read "Senlin Ascends" - surprisingly, it did deliver. Prose wise, it's probably one of the best fantasy books I've ever read. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there is definitely something unique about the way it is written - it is very hard to believe that this is a debut novel and a self published one to boot. The story didn't disappoint either, though it did take some time to get really going. All in all, one of the better fantasy books of recent years …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 09:11 AM
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childhood friend I will never understand this trope. When I was growing up, my closest friend was a girl, but there is no way in hell I could ever see her as a romantic prospect, even years later. It's just weird, almost like being attracted to your sister or daughter (to be fair, these two things also happen in anime...).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/17 07:14 AM
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Thank you? Though, I wish I could hear these words in the real world, even just once.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 05:00 PM
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Dude. Have you ever used online dating? Actually, no. Partly because I never considered myself to be anything higher than, at best, 5/10 lookswise, partly because setting up a profile seemed like too much effort (well, mainly because I have absolutely zero pictures of me being anywhere or doing anything) and partly because the whole concept of online dating seems a bit, I don't know, devoid of soul? Maybe I should just bite the bullet and give it a go, not like I have anything to lose other than…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/17 10:47 AM
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Well, I'm not that interested in "any amount of money, fame, women, drugs", so I'll probably take 80 years of boredom and solitude. Plus, 27 years is crazy short. But if I could live to like 45 instead and I could sing like that or maybe like that, I'll probably take the deal, even with no drugs/women/fame.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 08:21 PM
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Eh, looks don't matter when you have no social life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 12:26 PM
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Eh, that was mostly a "woe is me" comment anyway :) But, since you asked, I've been doing the nsuns LP routine for about 6 months - but I missed roughly 1 month due to vacation and business trips. I guess it is just frustrating to read how some people easily progress through weights I struggle with, but it's probably understandable as I started with zero strength and in my late 20s. Plus I had a couple of injuries - leftover shoulder injury from playing tennis which is finally getting better, el…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 06:46 AM
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Man, gym progress is as depressing as ever. Looking at my older photos made me realize that now I basically look the same as I did 4.5 months ago, only slightly fatter. Guess I need to try a bit harder at the gym. And maybe find some motivation to lose like 5 or more kgs...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/17 03:05 PM
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In most places in Europe the legal age is 14-16 yet most men still don't want to have sex with them. I could fuck a 14 year old if I wanted to, but I still prefer 21 year olds. I think middle teens is just a weird age, mostly because people mature at different rates. Some of my friends already looked like adults at that age while many still basically looked like kids, me included (hell, I'll be 30 in 2 years and I barely look like an adult). So in many places the age of consent is set to be high…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/17 12:16 PM
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Now that I think about it, I never liked watching TV, so I spent most of my time either outside with my friends or alone reading or playing computer games. Oddly enough, the only show I even remember from my teens is "Keeping Up Appearances" - for some bizarre reason, my English tutor made me watch it as practice. Well, at least I learned the valuable skill of deciphering weird British accents early on, plus the show itself was kinda fun... I caught up in my 20s when decent internet came to my c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 03:43 PM
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Fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 11:10 AM
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Is the guy in the picture supposed to be 10/10 or something? Because I can't really see it, plus his hair looks stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/17 11:05 AM
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Well, I'm like 5/10 omega and while I can see how some of TRP advice makes sense, I don't really have a social life to apply it to anyway. the improved confidence and health that comes with "lifting" Health benefits aside, what improved confidence? Lifting is fun, but all it did was made me realize how pathetically weak I am compared to trained people and that's not very likely to change in the near future.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 11:09 AM
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I think people have different definitions of what gamer is. I play some games occasionally, but I wouldn't call myself a gamer because it's not a large enough part of my life, especially compared to the time when I was playing some games competitively or to my MMO days.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 10:15 AM
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You don't agree? I just find TRP's obsession with lifting weird, because I feel that in the real world nobody cares whether I go to the gym or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 06:24 AM
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what's the worst that's gonna realistically happen if you talk to women? I get rejected with disgust, embrace the black pill, begin memeing about jaws (optional), leave my meaningless beta job and use my savings to see the world before I meet my demise while exploring some American ghetto. Realistically, though, the worst case scenario is that the girl would be somewhat receptive at first because, unfortunately, I'm not really 0/10 looks wise, but then the conversation gets awkward and dies beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/17 06:18 AM
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I wonder how you came to that tldr, because gym is barely mentioned in the post and it's like the least useful part of TRP anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/17 08:13 PM
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Our local "artsy" cinema is back in action, so I had a chance to see this year's Palme d'Or winner, the Square, tonight. On one hand, it is not very subtle about its themes and mockery of contemporary art is a very low hanging fruit, in my opinion. Besides, the way it deliberately leaves most of the plot lines unresolved is kinda hit or miss. On the other hand, I really liked the brand of comedy used in the film - somewhere between deadpan and full blown cringe at times. Overall, a pretty fun mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/17 08:10 PM
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Don't take the word "risk" so literally. Technically, there is no real risk in cold approaching 100 random women, but I probably won't do it either. This is basically the same fear of rejection plus the added social humiliation of going for actual criminals. Do you think this is romantic or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/17 05:51 PM
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Are you serious? Dating a criminal is dumb in the first place, but while you could make a dubious claim that male criminals at least exhibit somewhat "alpha" traits, whatever the hell those are, there is nothing inherently attractive about female criminals. Besides, most people who are incels are incels because they are risk averse. I can't approach women in the street (or even on dating sites), what makes you think I have the courage to do something as crazy as approaching a criminal? Plus, I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/17 02:08 PM
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Well, I get the impression from this sub that consistent sex is supposed to be a need or something for men, but I never really felt that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/17 08:44 PM
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Or do you think that it's some kind of defense-mechanism against potential rejection? To be honest, probably this. Can't get rejected if you don't even try.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/17 08:41 PM
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Why do you think that you were never interested in anyone? Wish I knew. I just never was, that's really it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Are you asexual? Probably not, but I seem to care less about sex than the average man is supposed to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/17 07:58 PM
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1: Have you ever been badly heartbroken? Never. Unfortunately, I was never particularly interested in anyone, so there were zero opportunities in my life to be heartbroken.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/17 07:26 PM
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Why would you even listen to me? I'm just super successful in life and love. Why would you ever listen to me? I don't even hate women and my life is awesome. Better get your advice from someone else. https://i.imgflip.com/ji9m7.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/17 07:46 AM
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Well, my inner romantic says one relationship is better, my inner cynic is certain it would take several to find the right person, and my inner realist says I'll probably never be in a relationship anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 06:05 PM
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Thanks for that link. Some time ago I was trying to figure out exactly why I had found Japanese gardens so beautiful and this article kinda makes sense. Plus, now I can look smart by knowing the actual word for it. And maybe someday I'll be able to comprehend that Ryōan-ji Zen garden too...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 11:03 AM
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What? That's a weird way to look at it because treating sex as a service and paying for it is almost exact opposite of "letting sex dominate your life".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 08:04 AM
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Imagine if you learned your colleague did this. Incidentally, I learned that one of my former colleagues did this at some point. However, it didn't affect my opinion of him in the slightest. In fact, it seems absolutely ridiculous to me that anyone would care at all about something like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/17 07:25 AM
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Not really interested in the casual sex, mostly because sex in general doesn't seem particularly fun to me and not really worth the effort. On the other hand, not sure whether I want a relationship either - I could never connect to other people all that well, so I'll probably make a terrible partner anyway. Though, my perception might be skewed because of my romantic inexperience.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/17 11:49 AM
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... the hottest people ... Russia. That makes me feel that I failed as a Russian (
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 09:51 AM
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hopeless quest? Not in my experience. Eh, maybe in the physical sense - it's not that hard not to look repulsive. But that's probably the least important part of attractiveness. The whole game/confidence/social skills part of it, on the other hand, is an unsolvable riddle to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 08:09 AM
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That's a weird way to look at it. I mean, I can't get laid either and I do feel I lack a purpose in life, but I'm 99.9% sure finding that purpose has absolutely nothing to do with finding a mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/17 08:07 AM
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Seriously, if anyone denies that part of the reason they work out is to be attractive, they are lying. I don't know, I think it's an awful way to motivate yourself. Maybe the difference is more noticeable when you actually become super lean and muscular or, say, if you lose like 100 pounds, but going from skinny fat with no muscle to somewhat more muscular has very little impact on your attractiveness compared to the time and effort involved. Plus, nobody ever comments on your appearance, so the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/17 11:27 AM
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I don't get this ass obsession at all. If I ever want to see a big ass, all I need is a mirror. Boobs are at least unique to women...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/17 08:37 PM
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I really like how your 4 paragraphs of text add absolutely nothing of value to the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/17 10:30 AM
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Now I can't help but wonder how many opportunities for dating I would have if I were my looks matched female equivalent. Probably more than zero, even with my reclusive personality. Oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/17 06:54 AM
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I wish I was... But no, I'm in Russia.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/17 06:19 AM
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Omega derives from beta. I don't know about that, technically I live the social life of an omega, but I feel I'm equally far from both alpha and beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 04:43 PM
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Surrendered to the hype and went to see "Kimi no Na wa" tonight and now I am disappointed. Of course, it is stunning visually and the music is great, but the story is an absolute mess. It started out as a decent-ish slice of life comedy but the second half of the movie was a disaster. I have no idea where all these crazy high ratings come from.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 04:39 PM
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Hm, I read your description and I have absolutely no idea where I stand, mostly because you have listed very few actual traits ("attractive" is not really a trait, imo).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 04:04 PM
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Ah, yeah, mythology is indeed fascinating - I remember I had a mythology binge phase in my late teens. I enjoyed Roman and Greek mythology, but Norse was the most fun to read I think. Sadly, I have also forgotten most of the stuff by the now, but, I guess, that means I can reread it some day.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 03:42 PM
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An interesting choice for leisure reading. I wanted to check out the Four Great Classical novels before and started with the Dream of the Red Chamber, but I could only last one volume. There were like hundred characters, but 95% of the time all they did was flirt and criticize each other's poetry. So I kinda postponed these novels for when I'm old and more bored. Journey to the West does sound a bit more interesting though, at least from the synopsis.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/17 05:51 AM
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Pretty simple really Right...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 06:47 PM
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How do you envision that happening? How can an average guy live a "Chaddy lifestyle"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/17 06:16 PM
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I'm not from the US - our education system is kinda different. You basically see same people everyday till you get your bachelor's/master's and you don't really interact with people studying other things.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 04:45 PM
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In my case, it meant studying in an almost completely male environment, so I didn't get any chances to date or even have female friends. Well, it also lead to me working in physics which I kinda hate, but that's an unrelated, albeit probably more important, issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 04:30 PM
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Hm, what stigma? I rarely socialize, but when I do, this subject never comes up and most people don't care enough to pry anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 01:27 PM
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To be fair, I don't think my very early years mattered that much in the end, I was still more or less normal in my early teens. Then, however, most people developed interest in partying, drinking and dating while I kinda just didn't and that's where things began to go wrong. Going into physics afterwards was the dumbest idea and the final nail in the coffin for me. In hindsight, while I wish my parents had encouraged me to do more stuff, be more social and take certain things more seriously, I c…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 10:34 AM
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Incel habits start young, like around 6 or 7, I guess mine started at 4 - apparently, I hated kindergarten so much, that I would hide in the closet to avoid whatever it is that you are supposed to do there, so pretty soon my parents stopped taking me there. Then they bought me NES (no idea where they actually got money for that, we were so poor back then), which, to put it mildly, didn't exactly help me become more social...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 06:27 AM
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Now that I think about it, it's kinda weird that my parents never acknowledged the fact that I'm 28 and I never had a girlfriend and probably never will, even though they definitely know about it. My mother occasionally hints that she would like to see grandchildren some day, but that's about it, there was never any help. Maybe they thought that just because I'm smart and more or less normal looking I won't have any problems? Dunno. Anyway, I guess I belong to your 4th category and I'm kinda fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/17 05:58 AM
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we define the involuntary celibate as one who desires to have sex, but has unable to find a willing partner for at least 6 months prior to being surveyed. 6 months? I have a feeling this definition would not be particularly well received by any of the incelish subs... But yeah, I can relate to most of the issues listed in the paper to some extent, but I am not sure what we can actually discuss here. I do think the concept of transitions and milestones makes some sense - "my timing is so off that…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 05:10 PM
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basing a right swipe on more than just looks Never tried online dating, but what else is there to go on? Do you really think that you can get emotionally invested in a tinder bio? It makes perfect sense to cast as wide a net as possible, trying to meet more people and see whether you have any chemistry in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/17 06:19 AM
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Your life will also be safer, statistically, if you never own a car, or a gun. Should everyone just give those up too? Leaving cars aside (I think they are overrated and cost too much, but I live the life of incel, so what do I know), why would you even want a gun? You Americans are so weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/17 06:20 AM
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Sounds like a pointless question - those who aren't able to probably aren't able to tell that they aren't able to, so they just think there is nothing to read. To answer anyway, yes, I can read them to some extent, but, due to me being alone 99% of the time, I'm probably not as good at it as your "socially active, extroverted and funny men". Besides, there is a whole range of situations I've never experienced (basically, all the romantic stuff), so I'm probably completely oblivious in that regar…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 02:32 PM
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Nah, this time I actually get it - I can't deny that the main romantic leads had decent onscreen chemistry, so I don't mind the love story all that much. As for the movie itself, my main issue was the tone, I guess, or something like that. It had cartoonish violence and characters, but there was also a hint of seriousness or realism that didn't fit particularly well.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/17 03:47 AM
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Went to see Baby Driver tonight. The action was pretty decent, the music was alright and some of the comedy was good too, but, I dunno, it didn't really feel like a 8.2/10-on-imdb movie to me somehow. Oh well, still better than sitting at home. As a sidenote, I was surprised by the waitress openly flirting (which never ever happened to me) with the more or less unremarkable to my eye main character, but then they showed his mugshot at the end and he was like 6'3", so I guess black pill was right…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 07:12 PM
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Out of curiosity, what unique social skills do you gain from having female friends in particular?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 06:39 PM
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So? Everyone's social skills are limited to some extent, it's not really a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 06:27 PM
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For example, my uni group was 99% male, so there was literally one girl that I could speak to on a daily basis (and I got along fine with her). Had I wanted more female friends, I definitely would have had to look elsewhere. I was never social, so I didn't, but that doesn't really mean I hate 50% of the population or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/17 06:18 PM
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What these pictures made me realize is that I have no idea what an attractive male body should even look like. Like, I know that both bodies shown are supposed to be attractive, but I feel absolutely nothing towards them. So even if I attained either physique, I wouldn't really feel more attractive (and I bet absolutely nobody would care in the real world).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/17 06:09 PM
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I don't know, I don't really mind cardio, though I rarely have time to actually do it. My main issue with sex is that I'm a problem solver at heart but sex is not a problem to solve, so it's not very fun. Also, it has to involve at least one other person and, unfortunately, I'm really awkward around other people because I have no idea how to human correctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 11:05 AM
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What is is like to not want sex? Weird question. I simply don't think about it in my daily life, that's all. Is it just something that doesn't "do" anything for you, or is it something that entails a lot of work to be worth it so you don't bother? A little from column A, a little from column B. It is simply not mind blowing enough for me to put in the required effort to get it. I wouldn't exactly say no if I had the opportunity, but, as a guy, I'm not exactly drowning in offers over here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/17 06:07 AM
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I taught myself Russian just so I could read it, just because it loses its art in translation. Haha, that was basically one of my main reasons for learning English.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 01:51 PM
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well read enough I used to worry about becoming "well read enough" a lot some years ago but then I kinda realized that there is no way I could ever read every noteworthy book that has been written. Same deal with music. So I think it's okay to say you are interested in literature as long as you do pick up and read a book every now and again. However, I'm honestly not sure how many people actually do it consistently enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 08:58 AM
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Not so sure about that. There is no pretending, I honestly enjoy watching sports in general, even though I don't really talk about it in the real world. And I wouldn't call myself an "enthusiast" either - tennis is the only sport I watch consistently, mostly because I play it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 08:34 AM
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Well, that's kinda my point - if you are getting some success and some practice throughout your 20s, you'll probably get better at the game eventually, so your 30s can be good. If you are not, for one reason or another, then nothing's gonna magically change just because girls your age have less options. Also, this reminds me that I really want to try swordfighting some day.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/17 06:22 AM
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I can't help but think that the whole "it gets better in your 30s" narrative only applies to conventionally attractive and successful men. I'm close to 30 and I'm not really foreseeing any improvements in my SMV/RMV - while I'm probably going to look better, it doesn't matter that much for men. I'm definitely not going to attain any wealth or status (mostly because I hate my job and it doesn't pay particularly well, at least in my country) and my lack of dating experience would be as red of a fl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/17 07:41 AM
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7 or 8/10 forever alone. Not really? Hm, my SO would be me, I guess? Not sure about favorite things, but the biggest flaw is definitely laziness or tendency to procrastinate. It's unlikely that anything will ever change on that front.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 07:25 AM
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Literally never.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/17 03:19 AM
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That's the problem with the concept of "average". What you are actually asking is whether we are better than average in every respect - so that would probably be "above average". Besides, that's not how people are, imo. Many are better than average in some respects, but worse in others and that's okay. You are not "below average" just because you are 2 inches shorter than the average height.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 08:46 PM
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That's such a depressing way to view life, I guess. I mean, now that I think about, there is absolutely nothing that I do for validation. I played table tennis and now normal tennis because I like it, I signed up for the gym because it looked like fun and it still is, I travel to different countries because I enjoy it, not because I want to one up my coworkers when it comes to travel stories or something. But then again, I don't get laid either way, so who am I to talk ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 06:51 PM
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Seeing various issues discussed is easier and more fun than going out of my basement and fixing my own issues, which, unfortunately, requires effort. So I'm reading this sub instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 01:20 PM
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You know, after going to Thailand and seeing firsthand how average looking most of the "service providers" are, I'm having a tough time believing that most guys care about looks at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/17 12:40 PM
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Honestly, I have no idea why I would ever bring visiting sex workers up in the real life and what kind of "empathy" I'm supposed to expect if I do. And if I don't bring it up, there is no shaming because nobody actually cares. So I don't really get the point of this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/17 02:38 PM
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2) I don't know, I kinda enjoyed it in small doses. I would have gone insane if everyone around me was like that all the time though. Also, I'm pretty sure there is more to communication skills than simply being able to talk non stop. 4) I was trying to hint that I did dive in to some extent and that's how I realized I really don't care about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/17 04:00 AM
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And I'd probably say no if a girl offered to have sex with me. Mind is stronger than some stupid hormone levels, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 03:25 PM
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Not the person you are asking, but I had mine measured a year ago and got around 980 ng/dL, yet I don't have much of a drive for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 12:34 PM
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I get what you are saying, but simply going like that is not enough. There is no doubt in my mind that I could handle sitting in a chair with a beer in my hand while listening to probably terrible music. It's doing whatever it is that nightclub goers actually do that is a challenge. I really want to try either yoga or dancing, but, as a single guy, I honestly can't avoid being super self conscious about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 11:37 AM
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For me the ultimate test would probably be going to a nightclub, which I'm unlikely to ever do. Or maybe signing up for a dance class.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 01:08 AM
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Nah, it's just a vacation I went on to have fun. If I simply wanted to go out of my comfort zone, there would be no need to fly 10 hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/17 12:12 AM
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To be completely honest, I'm not really sure, I just don't seem to be as desperate for it as a lonely man is supposed to be according to this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 02:36 AM
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I guess I'm curious to see how other, more normal people view life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/17 12:22 AM
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So, my Thai vacation is slowly coming to an end. I still have a couple of trips to go on, but then it's back to my boring solitary routine of work, gym, tennis, video games and books. In the end, I had some fun, visited some cool temples and islands, tried wakeboarding and learned to scuba dive (essential skills when you live in the middle of Russia). I also realized a few things: Thai food is damn amazing. I usually lose some weight when traveling, but here I just can't stop eating. I'm lucky I…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 04:11 PM
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28/male/purple? I'm not really getting any sex in my normal life, but I'm fairly sure sex is not a need for me, it's barely even a want. Not sure about intimacy though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/17 03:50 PM
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To be honest, when it comes to dating stuff, I'm speaking purely hypothetically. I really have no experience, positive or negative, so my own negative feedback loops are mostly created by my imagination. Though, that probably only makes it worse, because the reality is almost never as bad as the stuff I can imagine in my head in hours of overthinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 04:21 PM
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My country isn't drug friendly, so marijuana is out of the question. And I don't drink alcohol exactly because I'm afraid to lose my inhibitions... Besides, I don't have people to drink with and drinking alone is probably not a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 03:20 PM
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The last part is very true. I'd probably agree to do things out of my comfort zone if someone I know invited me but I'll never do most of these things on my own.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 12:44 PM
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Out of curiosity, have you seen any data concerning the actual body fat percentages? I used to believe in BMI, but I went from normal to overweight after signing up for the gym, and yet I'm fairly certain that I'm leaner now compared to when I was "normal", so BMI is probably an awful metric.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 10:10 AM
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You can't tell whether a guy wearing a T shirt is fat or fit? I really doubt that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 08:11 AM
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I'm sure most unsuccessful men are already pretty much ignored in the real world. It doesn't seem to motivate all that well, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/17 08:00 AM
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I work in a research institute, so something like that, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/17 12:19 AM
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My interactions with women are so rare and so short that I can't even say whether I have a "way" of treating women or not. They basically don't exist in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 11:55 PM
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If I get to keep my personality, then I'd like to stay male. Being invisible to everyone is convenient when you are not very social. Lack of romantic options is unfortunate, of course, but it doesn't kill you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 01:30 PM
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See, you can go to other countries to watch trains go by. Then you can say you like traveling and pass for a normal person. That's what I do, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 06:11 AM
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I have no idea what any of this has to do with what I wrote, but whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 01:31 AM
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Well, "bad at sex" might go away with practice, but "cold" and "bad at fun" are probably trickier.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 01:29 AM
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Hm, 2 out of 4 on your list for me. Could be worse, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 12:54 AM
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Out of curiosity, how do I learn to "just have fun"?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 12:50 AM
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The STEM degree thing is weird to me, to be honest. I never felt any kind of superiority because of my degree, but whenever someone finds out I'm a physicist, they feel compelled to remark on how smart they think I must be. So if people stopped doing that, there would be fewer superiority complexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/17 12:48 AM
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I look more or less normal and have more or less normal interests and job, but I almost never talk, unless I really really have to. You could call that a self sabotaging habit, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 03:59 PM
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3-4 times a week is supposed to be a lot? Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/17 03:54 PM
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Hm, since I never actually tried to pursue any women, technically you could put it that way, I guess...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/17 12:43 AM
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Ok, the "entertainment" industry of Thailand is beginning to weird me out a little. Bangkok was bearable, but Patong is just crazy. I don't really mind "hey"s from working girls, I can survive arms and chest touching, wrist grabbing is annoying, but last evening I wanted to check out the Patong beach after arriving here and got literally tackled thrice by the massage parlor girls on the way there... Guess I should work on my resting bitch face a little to protect myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/17 11:36 PM
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M/Purple?/lost it at 23 to a pro, more out of curiosity than desperation, I guess. Didn't change anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 01:36 AM
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Wait, how can you blame introversion for fatness? They have nothing to with each other. Moreover, as an introvert, exercising is what I use to fill the void where human interaction is supposed to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/17 02:35 PM
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I like to visit different places each year and I'm running out of easily accessible countries, I guess. So, basically, no visa for Russians, less than 10 hour flight and an opportunity to check out the SEA region I've never been to before.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/17 12:48 AM
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No, I'm on my vacation right now, so I went to Thailand for two weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 11:17 PM
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Yeah, learning to give less of a damn is basically my life goal at this point... So far, no luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 04:08 PM
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Eh, maybe? I don't have much of a drive to get laid. But then, I don't have much of a drive to do anything, to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 04:05 PM
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Heard of it? It's like 5 minutes away from where I live, lol. Never been to the actual place though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 03:59 PM
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So basement dwellers like me who never see the sun age more slowly? So THAT's why people always think I'm like 18-20 when I'm actually 28.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/17 12:55 PM
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I was in Japan last year and there the humidity was just unbearable. In Bangkok it's not that bad. Anyway, the evening Bangkok is interesting - so many white dudes are casually leading Thai girls away somewhere. There's no way I could be so nonchalant about it. And I don't get the appeal of gogo bars - it looks so public, awkward and embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 02:42 PM
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In Thailand right now. It's so damn hot outside I can barely leave my hotel room and somehow I am supposed to be arranging 5somes?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 08:38 AM
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Even though the "taller is better" concept is reiterated a lot, as a guy, I simply don't get it. I just can't see how height can be a meaningful quality on its own, but, apparently, women somehow can.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/17 05:11 AM
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Well, in theory, men are supposed to desperately crave sex, so being deprived of it should be harder for them. I personally never felt that way, though, but I'm atypical, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/17 02:42 PM
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Slightly more than two weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/17 08:55 AM
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Actually, sounds kinda fun. However, I'm absolutely hopeless when it comes to cooking, so it's probably gonna be a bit awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 07:42 PM
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Hm, never thought about Muay Thai. I was never interested in combat sports, but maybe it's worth checking out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 07:41 PM
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Hm, my conversations tend to go like this: awkward small talk -> probing questions to find a subject my partner is interested in -> listen and ask in depth questions about that topic -> look for a new topic when the current one dies. I feel like I don't really have anything to talk about, so I mostly stick to remarks and questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 07:38 PM
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Not "scary", I guess, but somehow there is this firm belief in my mind that you are not supposed to talk to others unless absolutely necessary. It is partly cultural - we Russians tend to look sad and unapproachable in our daily lives. We are expected to become more social when drunk, but, alas, I don't drink.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 07:24 PM
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Hah, I used to practice my talks in the Masters days, but now I mostly wing it. But I get what you are saying, normal socializing should also get easier (and hopefully more enjoyable?) with more experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 07:13 PM
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Flying to Thailand tomorrow for my vacation. I have absolutely no knowledge of the country and zero plans, so I wonder what I'm actually gonna end up doing and seeing. I'm a bit worried, though - this "no plans" approach worked out alright for Japan, but I was much more familiar with the culture and language (thanks to the power of anime). Oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 06:40 PM
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Classic introversion Yeah, I am definitely 100% introverted. and shyness Probably also true, though it's weird how I can give a talk in front of an audience with zero issues, but saying hi to a stranger sounds so scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 06:34 PM
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Wow, what a weird image. Liking good games makes me a "jaded outcast"? Come on, Deus Ex is a damn classic and Planescape made me actually want to learn English when I was like 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 06:00 PM
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Out of curiosity, have you played WoW or any other MMO? Maybe I was lucky, but when I tried it most people I was raiding with were 100% normal, so it was basically like hanging out with friends and talking about random stuff with some occasional bouts of tryhard gaming in between. Not helpful for dating though, that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 05:27 PM
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Not sure how to phrase it correctly... It's not difficult at all, of course, and I am not actually THAT bad at socializing as long as it's 1on1 and there is no chance of flirting involved. I just feel like I'm supposed to want to socialize more and some more practice would probably do me good, but I can't convince myself to do it because I am more at peace on my own.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 05:15 PM
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why do white nerds think its some sacred arcane knowledge that chicks like hot and confident guys? I kinda knew that, but I never felt I could become one of those hot and confident guys. I still don't, to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 04:26 PM
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Honestly, I think " having a real life conversation with just anyone/a woman" for an hour a day would be a lot better. Gym is much easier though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 04:21 PM
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Society should tell men to : stay/get fit, hit the gym, be assertive and confident, dress well etc . If the advice is so hard, nobody's gonna do it anyway. I mean, people are sort of aware that they should try to be fit, but most don't do it or at least let themselves go when they are older. Besides, being told to be "assertive and confident" won't make me assertive and confident. Women also would benefit from there being more attractive guys. Also, it seems to me that women are doing fine anywa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 03:00 PM
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But he's intermediate or better in every lift according to strength standard sites, isn't he? You don't become elite in a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 01:52 PM
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If someone has that little gains after 3 months I would tell them to see a doc and get stuff checked. To actually lift weight in the gym instead of doing nothing. To get his diet in order. Or to use steroids. And, this is a bonus, to drop the fucking 5x5 bullshit. You know, I think that mocking someone's gym progress over the internet ranks pretty highly among the lamest activities one could engage in. Especially if you are going on 2 poor quality pictures with different angles.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 01:33 PM
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In the end, I think, my point is that the "naturally muscular" thing kinda triggered me because it's borderline incel talk. I used to think like that too at some point, you know. "Oh, I'm playing tennis 4 times a week, but I don't look like I exercise at all, must be bad genetics". Turns out it's not really true, you simply have to work for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 07:42 AM
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Well, I guess your definition of "muscular" might be much more lenient than mine then. In my experience, lean (i.e., skinny) was somewhat common, some muscle and 20%-ish bf was not uncommon either, but lean AND muscular? Pretty damn rare, and those people obviously worked for it. However, I'm a physicist, so I probably went to school and uni with nerdier people, not athletes. Plus, my country doesn't care much for casual lifting or high school sports.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 07:03 AM
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such as the look of a guy who's naturally muscular Yeah, I don't think that's a thing, unfortunately. You don't get muscular "naturally", you have to train for it. Same deal with sports - I've been playing table tennis and regular tennis "to stay fit" for years, but I only saw traces of muscle when I added dedicated strength training into the mix.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/17 06:25 AM
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Play whatever RPG has caught my eye recently Out of curiosity, what was the last RPG you enjoyed? I played them so much in my teens, but it feels like the genre is dying. There are some decent obscure games, but I can't even recall the last mainstream RPG that was good.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 05:00 PM
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Yes, kids in elementary school have crushes Elementary school? 28-year-old guy here, still haven't had a crush on anyone... I don't really have any delusions about me being normal in any sense or form though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 04:57 PM
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All men do not "start at 0" where on earth are you getting that? Eh, it kinda makes sense to me. I feel that for men, SMV is tied to how we act and what we actually do, so we don't get any SMV for just existing. So, for instance, if I post my picture online and get rated 5/10, it doesn't mean that I have 5/10 looking women as options in the real world, it means absolutely nothing. My SMV is still zero now matter what I look like if I can't actually walk the walk.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 02:24 PM
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Men who are frustrated about women only wanting to be friends Wasn't there a time when "friendzone" used to mean a different thing? Like, for instance, where a girl wouldn't give the friendzoned a clear answer and instead keep him around for validation and favors. But now the word means absolutely nothing, just like "nice guys".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/17 08:16 AM
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Hah, fair point, I guess. My life is so devoid of, well, people, that I have no idea what normal is and who outliers are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 07:08 PM
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Well, if I wrote something like this as a guy, the sub would probably give me a very common piece of advice that begins with an "l" and ends with "ower your standards"...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 06:23 PM
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Cheer up, I am sure people are much less critical towards your body than you are. Besides, strong arms, shoulders and lats look good on anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 06:21 PM
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I guess I've always been a bit weird when it comes to socializing - not exactly asocial, but I never got the hang of socializing for the sake of socializing. I always got along well with people I'm expected to interact with - classmates, neighbors when I was a kid, coworkers and so on, but I never felt much need to socialize outside the bare minimum, so I avoided any pointless social gatherings. I'm sorta okay with socializing while doing stuff and I like listening to people talk to me 1on1, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 06:16 PM
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Gotta love how you had to come up with an extreme outlier to get an unattractive woman but casually called 95 percent of men unattractive in a different post.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 03:06 PM
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the chances that he'd be single are even lower. Isn't that like the most common excuse guys use to justify not approaching girls in their minds? Guys are apparently supposed to suck it up and do it anyway, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/17 02:40 PM
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less than 20% bodyfat Actually, now that I think about it, I wonder why you chose 20% as a cutoff point. Isn't 20% basically normal looking body without much definition? I doubt that's even attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 05:49 PM
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When he can get at least two, incels have no excuse for not getting just one. You do realize that it is very easy to put a negative spin on this statement too if you want to, right? Something like this: "he can get 2 gfs; I'm better looking than him, but can't get one -> something is fundamentally wrong with me -> I'm DOOMED".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 10:27 AM
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If you're white, at least 5'10", less than 20% bodyfat and have an average face, then dating is pretty easy because you meet the minimum requirements for the vast majority of women I probably meet all these (well, not sure about my exact bf percentage and the average-ness of my face), but, apparently, you are also supposed to occasionally leave the house, be social and fun to be around, and also actively pursue women. Still too much work for me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/17 06:11 AM
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youll have better chances than being a bit above average in the body dept without anyone seeing it. Yep, I know, that was kinda my point - nobody cares about your body if you are not social enough in the first place. The problem is that becoming social is much harder than getting fitter, especially if you are older - I mean, what parties am I even supposed to go to when I am almost 30 and work a boring job full of older men? Luckily, being alone is not that bad anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 01:55 PM
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Well, that's why I added the "at least to me" part. I've been working on my body for about half a year now (not much, I know, but whatever) and it has been really easy so far. However, I think I'd rather get struck by lightning than show up at a party, meetup, bar or club.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 12:41 PM
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Which is kinda amusing, because getting a better body is easy, but it is very unlikely that doing it will turn you into a Chad unless you do get top 1% body or something. The actual work would probably lie in the social skills/mindset department, which seems much harder, at least to me. I guess the idea is that if you are gifted genetically and start out with a more or less normal personality, you will have a decent chance to develop that mindset/skills somewhat naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/17 09:21 AM
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Some men get upset that they don't have women flocking to them for casual sex without being willing to offer anything in return So imagine I'm willing to offer commitment. You know who cares? Absolutely nobody. I'm still expected to do the same work I would have to do if I wanted casual sex (which I don't even find appealing anyway) - ask women out, set up dates, lead them and escalate at appropriate times. So if a guy has to do all the work, can you blame him for hoping to get what he actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 05:07 PM
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But your reply has almost nothing to do with my question, I think? Well, that's okay, I wasn't really expecting an answer anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 04:41 PM
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Well, I grew up in the 90s and not in the USA, but back then we didn't really have that many toys, let alone gender specific ones. So we mostly hung out in our mixed gender group, played tag and soccer, climbed stuff and explored places we should have stayed away from. And this was a fairly normal thing, not sure how it works these days in my country. I have to say, though, that I grew up not well adjusted at all and not really able to perform my expected gender role. However, blaming "ungendere…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 04:21 PM
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Most of them would have no problem finding girlfriends, but they don't want that. Can you enlighten me on how I am supposed to find a girlfriend with "no problems"? Because I keep hearing it's supposed to be easier and yet I have a suspicion that the required effort would be about the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/17 10:18 AM
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I have to say, somehow this damn sub manages to make being a guy sound more and more burdensome each day.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 05:59 PM
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Soon after that it became obvious that we couldn't hang anymore. Wait, what? Why? I think we hung out together from when I was 6 till I was like 13-14 or something and I didn't feel like there was anything wrong with that. My family then moved to a different apartment, I went into physics, she into conservatory and we eventually drifted apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 01:06 PM
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Nope, never did anything like that. I was mostly playing football with my male friends. Incidentally, my closest friend was a girl, but I have absolutely no recollection of what we did together. We just... hung out and talked about random stuff, I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 12:21 PM
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Fucking hell, you're getting IOI's too ? Eh, very occasionally (well, I don't leave my house much), but why are you surprised? Aren't you the one who tried to convince me I'm good looking? And, unfortunately, IOIs aren't particularly helpful when you have no idea what to say it and how to say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/17 05:41 AM
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You might want to put a little bit more effort into the Physics too, take it from an older lazy man That's true, I really need to finish my damn thesis so I can look for some different job with a clear conscience. Don't you want a complete, well rounded life. But isn't it up to each person to decide what constitutes such life? I just want to genuinely desire a partner in my life someday instead of going through the courting motions because I'm expected to by society. The issue is that at that po…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 10:13 PM
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Nah. I've chatted to you quite a lot, and been quite abrasive and rude. If you had a terrible/repulsive personality it woulda come out. It'd have shone like a beacon. Ah, but doesn't that simply make me nice, which is supposed to be like the worst and most boring thing ever? You seem a fairly normal guy who's gone pretty hard at the academic world. Hah, if you only knew how little effort I actually put into my academic work... I mean, I do try a little when it comes to the tasks I'm entrusted wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 08:43 PM
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If you did the former, you'd get plenty of girls. I have no idea why you are saying that. I mean, I get that my looks probably aren't the main issue, but I might have one of those terrible repulsive personalities I keep hearing about, you never know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The "not caring" isn't the operative part of the problem... I think "not caring" doesn't let me view it as a problem, that's the point. I mean, I regret a lot of things (well, not a lot, mostly going into physics and not picking a sport and…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 07:47 PM
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Actually, now that I think about it, my problem is not caring about that stuff enough (or maybe at all?). Come on, I'm 28, if I was normal, I would have probably gone insane from desperation by now. I would be begging girls for attention on online dating sites or hanging around bars and clubs or something, but I kinda ... don't really care? However, I know that gym makes me happier, running and tennis make me happier and doing stuff in general makes me happier. Socializing, however, does not, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 06:19 PM
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The way I often read from The Red Pill users how I am supposed to experience attraction and attractive males does not line up that much with my personal experiences, perphaps I just the strange person. attractive males Aren't you like 19 though? Is there that much experience to consider? Besides, you are aware of the pills, so you are probably not a very typical example.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 04:34 PM
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As an exercise in empathy, try reading this sub from the perspective of a guy who can't get laid. It's not very fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 03:58 PM
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Well, I mostly mean romance/dating related things. Having no experience at my age is as red of a flag as it gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 08:58 AM
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Learning about Chester Bennington's suicide was somehow more disconcerting than I would have imagined. I'm not even a fan (though I played Hybrid Theory and Meteora to death in my teens, of course), but I guess it's depressing to watch one of the rock stars of my generation go. And to think that just a couple of days ago I listened to some youngish guys play What I've Done in the middle of the street (that's in Russia, mind you)...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 08:57 AM
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It's not really surprising - working in a more developed country like SK probably pays better. Besides, as far as I remember, Russians don't need a visa to enter SK. Amusingly enough, people usually assume I'm anything but Russian. Guess I don't look the part ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/17 08:52 AM
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Because going out is scary and sounds like work? I don't want to do work on weekends or do more work after my real work. It's much more comfortable to read a book, play video games or do some other stuff on my own than to actually go out and attempt to talk to people...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/17 05:48 AM
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I'm 28 and it definitely feels like it's already too late to become even average in some respects. I may work my hardest to improve or fix myself or whatever, but it won't make up for the time I lost. To think otherwise is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 03:34 PM
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Hah, if I could chat up regular girls, I'd probably do okay back home... It sounds easier in English though, so I may give it a go.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 11:01 AM
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Bkk, Phuket and Chiang Mai. Not like I'm going there for companionship though, mostly just to see stuff. Besides, I probably won't have the guts to even approach the red light districts, it sounds too damn awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 10:43 AM
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Incidentally, I'm going to Thailand in a couple of weeks, so I guess I'll know if SEA is any better. I'll probably be just as invisible as anywhere else though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 10:25 AM
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I'm Russian, so already as white as it gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 08:10 AM
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So, if I already live in one of the countries on the list, am I completely hopeless? I guess it doesn't work for natives, only for rich Americans. And I've been to three other countries on that list where I didn't feel particularly lusted after either...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/17 07:55 AM
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I guess I just don't want to see dating as a competition or a numbers game or whatever. It sounds so unromantic...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 11:17 AM
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Are you worse than other men? Of course I am, lol, I'm a 28-year-old scientist with no dating experience, you can't go lower than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 10:53 AM
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So many criteria, guess you can't fit them all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 10:43 AM
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See, I'm kinda skeptical when I hear that, because I'm taller than most girls in most countries and I never felt particularly lusted after. Guess it would be more noticeable if I actually tried to approach grils, but I never had the confidence or even opportunities for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 10:38 AM
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Well, as a guy, I can't comprehend how much of a disadvantage it is, as I barely even notice how tall other people are, let alone care about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 10:15 AM
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Actual reason - because I'm stupid. Superficial reason - because we technically didn't study at uni, but at a research institute, so we were somewhat isolated from other classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 10:08 AM
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He posted his pics before, I think, and he's completely normal looking, probably above average. If his looks make him "3/10 incel", then America must have the hottest people in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 10:05 AM
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You mean meet a girl? Because that's how many girls there were to interact with while I was getting my masters in Physics...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/17 10:03 AM
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This helps you maximize your shoulder-to-waist ratio ("V-taper") I've seen this mentoned a lot, but can you even tell what that ratio is under the clothes? When I'm walking down the street most guys just look the same to me, I can't tell who is more V-shaped and who is less V-shaped at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 06:45 PM
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he never approached women. doesnt have female friends, just generally ignores the opposite sex entirely. he's a quiet, nerdy dude. Hah, so relatable it hurts. I don't even qualify as nerdy though, just quiet. Guess I should've asked my friends for help in that department when we still studied together and hung out more...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 05:19 AM
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I think the internet is the worst place to look for advice when it comes to getting laid. While there probably are people who can read a guide on approaching, see it as something to test and do it, it has the opposite effect on me. Every guide and every post makes dating seem more and more daunting and complicated to me, which puts me off from even bothering to try. Besides, this sub is doubly awful, because you can find more arguments to add to the "not worth it" pile. Like casual disdain for u…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/17 04:22 AM
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Sought none, got none. In hindsight, I probably had only one opportunity for dating in my whole life, which I didn't use. Now it's too late to bother, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 07:50 AM
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Hm, last time I checked I got around 1000 ng/dl which, I think, is supposed to be high. So I'm probably messed up in my head, not in my body...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/17 07:32 AM
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Hah, I am a man and I wish I had that insatiable sex drive men are supposed to have according to this sub. I never really felt desperate or horny enough to go out of my comfort zone to get it...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/17 02:09 PM
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Complimenting people is now inappropriate? Well, it seems that I'm doing the right thing then by not talking to anyone at all. Wait, maybe that qualifies as creepy these days, you never know.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/17 06:43 AM
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Yeah, maybe. My own social circle (when it still existed) was always predominantly male and we definitely didn't rank each other by chadness or alpha traits. It might have been different had there actually been girls there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 12:46 PM
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Interesting. Well, as it's unlikely that I'll ever convince myself to do either cold approaching or online dating, guess I'm kinda screwed then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 12:43 PM
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Is average guy really expected to go through hundreds of girls though? I've always had the impression that most average people eventually settled for other average people from their social circle, not for the 724th girl they cold approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 10:46 AM
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Wait, is liking Eeyore wrong? It's been years since I've read that book, but wasn't he the most relatable character? And I'm fairly certain I've used his "good morning" quote as a response occasionally...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/17 10:03 AM
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That's why it's important to do work you enjoy, if possible. I guess I don't see it that way because my own job is "unproductive". I work in experimental physics and pretty often there is simply not much useful work to be done even if I didn't hate my job - we are often stuck waiting for equipment, funding or ideas/insights which may never come. I agree it's probably hard to dig more holes than somebody who genuinely loves digging holes, but real jobs are more complicated than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/17 07:06 PM
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Think about it like this. How hard would it be to outwork someone who truly loves their job? Very easy? You just do more work than him. The job doesn't really care whether you love it or not when you do it. I agree with your point on friends though, it's unlikely that you will make that effort unless you enjoy it at least to some extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/17 06:44 PM
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Isn't that more about effort, not attitude? If you try to befriend everyone you meet, you will probably end up with millions of friends eventually, sure. I just don't think it's a worthwhile goal for most people, though. Personally, I'm not sure if I really need a single friend, let alone a million of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/17 05:49 PM
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My own view is that people who aren't interested in other people, tend to not be super-interesting themselves. I feel that "interest in people" is not particularly meaningful, to be honest. I know I'm not really interesting myself due to leading a mostly empty life, but I've always enjoyed listening to other people talk about literally anything, especially stuff they are passionate about, be it abstract math, programming, books, sports or whatever. Well, as long as it's not politics or relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/17 04:48 PM
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No way, my default assumption is that people are nice in general, but nobody could ever be into me. At this point, I'm not sure what the other person would have to do for me to register it as "flirting".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/17 06:25 AM
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So, I was browsing through some depths of reddit and stumbled upon a mention of schizoid personality disorder. A quick google check made me realize that the listed symptoms describe my lifestyle and demeanor almost to a T. Now I can't help but wonder if it's that hypochondriac thing where reading a list of disease symptoms makes you think you have it or if I'm legitimately slightly less normal than I had previously thought. Some food for thought, I guess...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 12:57 PM
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I have to say, your example seems puzzling and discouraging to me. You are young, fit, there is nothing wrong with your looks, you have hobbies and a social life where you can probably interact with girls. And you still can't get laid? It just seems weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/17 07:37 AM
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But you can always make things easier for yourself on that path See, that's how I have lived my life up to now - I chose the easiest path whenever possible, but I am not exactly happy with the place this attitude has lead me to. Maybe it's time to put in some effort. Besides, I don't really know where I stand looks wise as I never dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 06:10 AM
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Honestly, no idea. I don't really want to be put through hoops anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 05:58 AM
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I'd probably be down for that but it's not like I'm consistently pursued by women I have to reject... If I'm going to have to do all the chasing anyway, might as well go for someone I'm actually attracted to, or stay alone as it's less effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/17 05:53 AM
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You kinda have to frame it as an easy decision in your mind for it to be useful, in my opinion. If you do it from the place of desperation, it might suck and only reinforce your belief that you can't get it any other way (that sort of happened to me).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 05:46 PM
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And yes I think that people that claim that women aren't funny aren't stating an objective fact, but are only showing that they are misogynistic. I have to say your posts are kinda entertaining. There wasn't a single person here who was claiming women aren't funny, period, but you managed to conjure this strawman out of somewhere. And you even managed to bash on RP and casually mention misogyny and racism! I do hope that you aren't 100% serious when you are writing them, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 04:31 PM
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Technically, I do, but they are a bit young, by the time they reach their teenage years I'll be like 35 and probably completely hopeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 11:44 AM
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Thanks, I'll try to remember this during my upcoming vacation - hopefully, I'll be able to find some cool places to visit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 11:39 AM
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If that's not an option sure you can take your own pics (especially using the delay button :p) and it's not that hard. Hah, that has been the best self esteem killer for me. I look in the mirror, think I'm finally beginning to look somewhat okay, then take a timered photo of myself using my DSLR and realize I just look weird and awkward. Repeat in a couple of months with the same results.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 08:52 AM
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Unfortunately, I mostly do all the nice stuff on my own - I don't really feel like I need an escort to enjoy a walk in the woods or a city I've never been to. And I have very few friends left anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 08:48 AM
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Either way it's hardly going to require an insurmountable amount of effort. It's a picture. Honestly, I have absolutely no idea how to take a flattering (or even not ugly) photo of myself on my own, so it doesn't sound that easy. Though I can't really complain about being single if I dismiss every possible option as "too much effort".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 08:11 AM
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Is it worth what? The time you took choosing your pictures? Choosing pictures? More like taking them, because the importance of having the right pictures is emphasized a lot. I personally don't even have any photos of me at all, but then, again, I'm not really average, I guess...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 07:38 AM
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I also didn't match with any girls that I really liked. Can you "really like" a dehumanized online profile anyway? Who knows, maybe some of your matches will turn out to be fun in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 07:33 AM
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I've been on tinder for about a week now and I have only got six matches. Is that supposed to be bad? You are acting like you are completely invisible to women or something, but you do get matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/17 07:20 AM
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the growing constituent of /r/trp readership that doesn't belong there. Sometimes I wonder if these people are better with trad con illusions an assurances than with red pill enlightenment While I probably would've been happier not knowing anything, the problem is that I can't exactly unread what I've read. So, yeah, now that I've read so much about game and realized how much work it would entail for me to get even okay at it, I can't help but feel somewhat bitter about it, even though I never e…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 08:01 PM
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Wait, really? Guess I am doing this nerd thing wrong, because even though I actually work in science I almost never talk about it (though I do like listening to other people talk science). In fact, when I hang out with my scientist friends, we are talking about anything but science (and women...).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 07:41 PM
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Hm, something to keep in my mind for my next vacation, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 01:55 PM
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I like taking pictures of the good stuff I see - I tend to rush a lot during travelling, trying to see more stuff and visit more places, so taking pictures allows me to look back and reflect on what I've seen. I just never felt like there needs to be my face in any of the photos...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 01:53 PM
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the most successful men were those with vacation pictures. This is because you give the illusion of wealth. Hm, are normal people supposed to take pictures of themselves all the time or something? Because I've been to like 10 countries and I don't really have a single picture to show for it...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 01:43 PM
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What's the internet even for if you can't complain and wallow in self pity under the guise of perceived anonymity. And I'm not really like that in the real world, there I'm just bored, boring and alone, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 12:48 PM
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I vaguely recall how a mushroom related post got Reddit banned in my country for a couple of days or something like that. So, yeah, my country is not very accepting when it comes to drug using and I don't want to test my luck with the law enforcement.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 12:41 PM
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Nope, I don't even drink. And relying on drugs to fix my issues sounds kinda pathetic, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 12:18 PM
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Beach? What is that weird unfamiliar word? It's 15 °C and raining outside anyway. I love Russian summers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 12:16 PM
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Eh, were I your age, I'd probably do it, but I'm 7 years older and it feels like I'm way too far gone to bother. I'm okay-ish with my body, but my social skills are in shambles and my work environment and my lack of social life make fixing them too hard. Had I thought about all this before uni, I might have been better off, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 12:10 PM
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I mean, it's not actually surprising that people aren't exactly willing to put in the work for something that others get "naturally". Besides, average looking is not going to get you anywhere on its own, you would probably need confidence and game too, so even more work.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 11:17 AM
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I don't really think there is a problem with it, as long as the majority of the participants are happy. There will always be outliers, I guess, but you can't please everyone and it would probably be hard to change anything anyway. I do have problems with my gender role (I don't really want to be the pursuer, chase social status and be the leader), but these are my own issues. As a sidenote, I find the consistent mentioning of "6 feet tall and six pack" requirement mildly amusing. I am 6'1" mysel…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/17 07:25 AM
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I mean, you can't really save incels over the internet anyway. And yeah, I'm more or less content with being alone, at least for now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 05:05 PM
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If a woman is paying that much attention to the men around her, she is likely either afraid or bored. I don't know, I don't really see that in my daily life. Most people are busy-ish and don't pay much attention to strangers. Besides, I'm probably a terrible entertainer anyway and the only way to learn it is by working on it, which doesn't sound fun at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 04:50 PM
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Go outside more. There is kinda no reason to, I guess... What am I even supposed to do there. Think less, do more. Yeah, that's true, but it's not the easiest advice to follow. Women are dying for real love. Right. Well, they sure don't seem like it, at least judging by this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 04:16 PM
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Eh, I am usually thinking happy thoughts when I am outside, but it doesn't really make a difference. Besides, resting dick face is culturally appropriate in Russia anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 03:45 PM
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Well, if I were surrounded by Chads I could observe on a consistent basis (and by potentially approachable women, for that matter), I could probably pick up a thing or two. Sadly, this is not the case at all, my social life is much less ... alive, I guess. Also, something about viewing less attractive women as guinea pigs for improving my nonexistent social skills rubs me the wrong way, even though I know I am not exactly a troll looks wise and there is even a small chance that someone might be …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 03:36 PM
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Good for you. However, as a guy, I can't help but find it amusing how simply improving your appearance seems to have kicked your entitlement into overdrive. I wish it was that simple for a guy - because, as a fellow introvert hoping to "reinvent" myself someday, I feel like I would have to do much, much more. And I doubt that I would ever get the chance to sit back and silently judge all these unworthy not good enough people showering me with attention....
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/17 06:42 AM
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ISTP (probably) man. There is no way other than learning by doing - everything else is almost counterproductive. I am surprised that this is not an option in your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 06:11 PM
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Is it really that hopeless online? Most of my google search results don't really look completely undateable. Now it's becoming kinda tempting to install Tinder and see how bad it is for myself...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 01:13 PM
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Yeah, maybe. I guess my brain might still be trying to come up with some backward rationalization to convince me not to put effort into becoming dateable. Or I don't know enough people that are openly happy about their relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 01:07 PM
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"A lucky few." Come on. A majority of men have fulfilling relationships. Don't project your unhappiness and insecurities on the entire population. Are you really sure all these relationships are fulfilling? Because I am not sure you can tell from the outside. Sometimes I wonder if it's similar to jobs - most people do have jobs, but how many people actually find them fulfilling? I work as a researcher (a job supposedly for people passionate about science or something) and I can count the people …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 11:20 AM
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but I wouldn't go to a park all by myself. Because that just feels wrong and is even probably creepy Honestly, that just sounds over the top. I'm as self-conscious as it gets myself, but I have no problems with aimless walks, going to the movies/coffee shops or even reading a book in the park alone. Granted, I do all of it alone because I don't have a girlfriend or even friends, which is depressing, but my singlehood doesn't mean I have to be confined to my basement or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/17 02:54 PM
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on a serious note some guys dont even talk to women and express interest Can confirm, have never spoken to a girl with interest. No need to be rejected when you can reject yourself just fine ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/17 09:33 AM
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Step 1: get a girlfriend Ah, sure, sounds easy, I'm just going to stop by the girlfriend store after work and pick one up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/17 06:25 AM
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Yep, that's the plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 03:47 PM
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Lots of people are motivated enough to go to the gym, very few have the discipline to keep going. Was never a problem so far, though, admittedly, it hasn't been too long since I started. You are going to the gym, but you aren't making progress are you Nah, it's going fine, it's just kinda meaningless, I guess. and your hobbies aren't really going anywhere are they? Where the hell are they even supposed to "go"? They are just hobbies. So spend your time better, form better habbits in those hours …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 09:52 AM
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I mean, there is probably nothing about my life of myself that I even like, so of course I wouldn't mind a change. I am not really motivated enough to make that change, though - basically, doing the bare minimum at work, going to the gym and maintaining a couple of asocial hobbies is the extent of my willpower, at least right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 09:10 AM
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Well, as a certain character used to say, you have to be realistic about these things. I may be as open as possible to the idea but nothing is going to happen on its own unless I either drastically change my life or direct some effort solely towards getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 08:01 AM
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Honestly? Too much effort for someone as lazy and asocial as me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 06:25 AM
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23. Only thanks to travelling and the world's oldest profession... Not really, but I kinda gave up on that aspect of life, so I'm not really thinking about it. No, it only made things worse, much worse. In hindsight, I wish I had had my first time earlier and organically like a normal person or hadn't had it at all, at least then I would have still had a chance to get my wizard wand in a couple of years.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/17 06:19 AM
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I don't think "leagues" are a meaningful concept for men. I mean, I would probably be okay with my physical equal, but it it's not like I am going to be flooded with offers from the looks matched people anytime soon, and being unable/unwilling to make the necessary effort to be the pursuer automatically places me at the bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 03:19 PM
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Well, I can't help but wonder how messed up and maladjusted my hypothetical child could turn out, considering my own situation... I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with the idea itself though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 01:32 PM
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Reading some of the looks related complaints kinda makes me wish it was possible to donate my body to incels for a year or something. They seem to think that being 6'+ white guy is the cure to all their issues and I'm really curious whether it'll turn out to be true or not. Besides, not like I'm putting my body to use anyway, might as well give it to someone who will at least try.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/17 04:39 AM
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Honestly, I think I kinda get it, even as a dateless guy. Having a lot of options doesn't necessarily make you happier. Imagine you have plenty of options but no meaningful way to pick the best one over the others. So you pick at random and get a disappointing experience, then do it again and again. If you get unlucky a couple times in a row, you would probably begin to think that either all your options suck or you suck because you can't actually make the right choice. Neither is particularly p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 12:17 PM
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You know, I've always believed that getting online attention, messages and date offers has to be validating somehow. However, now that I think about it, online validation without actual positive experiences in real life does sound kinda meaningless and empty, doesn't it. Even if I did install some dating app and got matches (which I doubt, but whatever), it probably wouldn't make me happier or more confident. Hm, I guess I really need to work up the courage to talk to people in the real world...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 09:05 AM
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They're not dehumanized pictures on the internet, they're a real person right in front of you. I get this point. Even though I can't even approach a woman in the real world, I am not really interested in trying online dating because it's literally impossible to get emotionally invested in pictures on the internet. However, I think you are being a bit dishonest - all the problems you listed (failure rate, lack of chemistry and so) are true for the guys too, but it is implied that the guys are sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 06:24 AM
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In my experience, the only way to get a wonderful relationship, is to be happy yourself. You can't expect to be happy with anyone else until you're happy on your own. I see all these words, but I have no idea what they mean. What is happiness in your terms? Because I see it more as a goal I could work towards, not a state I could ever be permanently in. And getting into a relationship probably has a chance to get me closer to that goal (no idea, though, as I've never been in one). Also, if I wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 05:48 PM
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Hm, I'm not really sure I get what you are talking about. Or, rather, I kinda do, but the problem is that you are basically explaining investment options to someone with no money. I understand that there are drawbacks to both approaches, but the point is that I would need to make a lot of effort and probably be somewhat lucky to even have the option to make that choice, so I can't really relate to these drawbacks because my struggles are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 12:23 PM
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So what does that mean, it means that all people, men and women alike, should never EVER hinge their happiness on the fact that they're with another person who they find attractive. Their happiness needs to come from other internal and external factors primarily. I think it's one of those things that sound nice and acceptable on paper, but more often than not it is said by people who have no business saying it - i.e., people happily dating. It would be like me listening to a poor guy complaining…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/17 07:29 AM
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That's only if you don't give up somewhere along the way or still like your hobby 10 years later. For example, I realized that while my mother spent years learning to play violin and now she teaches it to children, I don't think I've ever seen her play it for fun or, say, to show to me how awesome violin can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 08:41 PM
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Should have been present tense, I guess, because my problems are in the now, not in the past. I am almost completely alone and I know that I am supposed to do something to fix it, but I can't really convince myself to do it, so I fill my spare time with exercising... Actually, I was never really avoiding people, but were I given a chance to relive my life, I would definitely put in more effort into maintaining friendships and socializing when it is still easy (uni and last years of school).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 08:30 PM
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Someone else could use it as a excuse to never confront their crippling fear of social interaction. And that is a serious problem. Sounds familiar... There are times when I would run 10k just to fill my empty evenings and give myself an excuse not to go out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 08:12 PM
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Well, there is a at least one youtube video of me awkwardly playing bass on stage with my friends at uni. There are probably also videos of me doing decent DPS in some raid encounters with my old guild. The value of both things is equally zero, imo, but gaming is more stigmatized somehow. Also, I don't think that creative hobbies are for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 08:10 PM
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So, what are you supposed to replace your addictions with? I feel that you could make the same argument about any hobby. Who cares that you lifted weights, played an instrument, wrote poetry or whatever 10 years down the line? It's all meaningless in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 07:33 PM
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I think that once you've gone down the rabbit hole that is this sub, you begin to see the ever-present Chad in every leading role and "red pill truths" in mainstream media. When I was growing up, however, it never felt like I was supposed to rate dudes' attractiveness and compare myself to them. Honestly, I still have no idea how to do it, while I dislike my own face, other dudes outside of extreme outliers are just dudes to me, I can't rank them at all. Also, the classic hero's journey story is…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/17 07:21 PM
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There is no attractive males lamenting on about how "women's expectations are too high". How can you actually know that? I mean, you assume that everyone complaining simply has to be unattractive, but you can't really be sure, can you? Besides, isn't it kinda harsh to dismiss peoples' struggles just because they are unattractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 04:45 PM
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Maybe your miscperceptions of your own attractiveness aren't limited to your own attractiveness. Maybe you are misperceiving your ability to "social skill" as well. See, the fun part is that I can prove to myself any negative statement about myself somewhat objectively. I am 28 and I've never even had a date, ergo I am unattractive. I can count my friends on the fingers of one hand, I suck at small talk and I never take the spotlight in any social gathering involves more than three people. Ergo,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 08:35 AM
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Do you honestly believe that writing dumb stuff on the internet actually means feeling entitled to something? Come on, it's the place to vent, you can write anything and pretend to be anything here, but it probably has little carryover to the real world. I mean, do you think low SMV men really feel entitled to anything in the real world? As one of them, do you know what I feel towards sex? The exact fucking opposite of entitlement. In fact, even if I actually was approached by women, I would pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/17 07:36 AM
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I think that looks pretty good. I'm no expert on the latest fashion, but that looks better than the "before" shot. Yeah, maybe... I guess the belief that I could never be attractive is too firmly rooted in mind for me to be objective about my appearance. It's the same way everyone else did it. They just did all their practising when they were kids. You're going to have to practice as an adult. Oddly enough, I was pretty normal as a kid, not like I was bullied or ignored or anything like that. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/17 09:03 PM
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It's not even social anxiety, which is a legitimate issue, while my case is more like social incompetence, I guess... Nah, I ended up going to a barbershop, looking for female stylists or whatever was too much effort. Still got my 5m chat, so it counts. Not sure, however, if I particularly like the result, though shorter hair is damn convenient when you exercise a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/17 08:57 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/6i128c/weekly_offtopicsunday_megathread_18_june_2017/djerkgq/?context=3 Oh come on, I was never "whining about women", it was always about me being absolutely useless. Though, I guess, whining about yourself is not particularly helpful either, so your point still stands and your advice still applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/17 08:26 AM
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For me it's a want, and not a very strong one. It lives somewhere in the back of my mind in the "would be nice to do someday" pile, but it's not really a priority. However, I guess my perspective might have been different if I actually could get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/17 07:25 AM
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I'd imagine it's much more common, particularly at your level of fluency, among the upper/upper-middle classes than amongst the lower/working classes. I mean, if you put it that way, I can't even get any credit for being fluent - I was born into upper-middle class, so it's natural that my family could afford a tutor for me... A joke is really just subverting what people naturally expect to come next I know what a joke is, it's that I don't really trust myself to make them on demand and there is …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/17 06:40 PM
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Shit dude, being in Russia and fluent in English has also got to be increasing your RMV as well How so? I feel that speaking English is too mundane a thing to matter these days. As for the rest of your post, yeah, it makes perfect sense and yet it's clear as day to me that I'm very unlikely to actually do any of those things. I mean, making good jokes? I'm not funny or socially savvy enough to pull that off (yeah, I know it's mostly practice but it's practice I've never really had). Making bad j…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/17 01:54 PM
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I'd be surprised if you are that far away. You're posting at times consistent with a european time zone, and appear to be fluent in English. That makes it likely you are in the U.K. I live just outside London. Yeah, I learned that you were from London in some other thread. I live about 3500 km east of you in the vast desert that is Russia. As for my fluency in English, this is basically the result of growing up during the golden age of cRPGs and having a decent tutor in my teens. Unfortunately, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/17 11:09 AM
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Honestly, I can't help but be impressed that you are still trying to convince some random guy who lives 3500 km away from you and is obviously a lost cause. If only reading words in the internet was enough to motivate myself to do anything productive... As for the hairdresser and the D scale, I don't think that would be particularly helpful. It's not like I'm terrified of girls or something - I simply can't imagine one being attracted to me or, actually, me being super attracted to a random girl…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/17 10:09 AM
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Unlike the bass your long term happiness is reliant on this one. I'm not sure it's even possible for me to be happy, to be honest, and I doubt a relationship can change that... Why don't you go get that haircut. That'll involve chatting to a girl. Practice run #1. That I will do. Though it would probably involve chatting with a guy - I don't really know good hairdressers but there is a supposedly decent barbershop nearby that I wanted to try. Doesn't matter, not like I'm particularly adept at ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/17 07:51 AM
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You just need to get over approach anxiety. That is literally ALL you need to do. Ah, yeah, do the thing you've never even considered possible all your life, so easy. Honestly, coping with being alone forever sounds like much less work than starting to learn game so late...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 06:30 PM
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... Are you serious? Of course I'm not, I even put /s there to show that. Many hot men are not noticed by women until he presents himself as a sexual being. Sounds depressing... I don't think I can even see myself as a "sexual being", let alone present myself as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 05:59 PM
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assuming you are even vaguely around a decent number of single girls at work/uni/whatever Haha, let's count the girls I interact with like once a week: two girls at the gym reception, a teenage girl I occasionally play tennis with (who is half my age, so it doesn't count), ... uuhm ... that's it. Working in physics sure is great! Unless you are 4 foot 6 Unfortunately, I'm not. At 6'1" I can't really complain about my height either... "he looks like he might be a bit skinny/scrawny" Yeah, that's …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 03:52 PM
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Come on, I know that you are trying to cheer me up, but be real please. I get that I'm unlikely to be the bottom 33%, but top 20%? 5%? There is no way in hell that can be true. I mean, incels told me that women would throw themselves at me if I was anywhere close to that \s Oh wait, I guess you are supposed to be in public at least occasionally for that to happen... As for approaching, yeah... Maybe someday.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 01:04 PM
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SMV connoisseurs of PPD, can you help me figure out what I am supposed to do with my hair to ascend into normalhood? I figure if I can't fix myself socially right now, I should at least try to fix myself physically as much as I can, but hairstyles have always been a damn mystery to me...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 07:34 PM
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Why can't you turn your focus to another area ? Regard it as another challenge to overcome ? You clearly understand that it's vital to your future well being. Why aren't you gritting your teeth and getting on with it in the same way you've clearly done before for other things ? Hm, I guess because the end goal is so vague? I really have no idea what I even want in my life when it comes to interaction with women so it's much harder to motivate myself. I know the first time you picked up a bass yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 02:50 PM
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It's sounding more and more to me that your problem is you and your psychological state. I mean, isn't that obvious? It's not like I'm rejected by actual women, I'm rejecting myself first and foremost. I bet if you started to approach/initiate and build up some skills you'd probably do rather well. That's probably true. With enough effort, I could probably also learn a couple more foreign languages, get decent at some musical instrument or, say, learn to draw. However, even if I hypothetically c…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 01:57 PM
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Yeah, that sounds like the least useful way to rate your face possible... Gave it a try though, got 65 and 80 on two selfies taken 5 minutes apart, so the error is about as large as the actual result. And reading stuff like "nose too big for face" only adds to insecurities...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 12:35 PM
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Now I almost feel bad because my main sport is more skill based - being stronger is definitely helpful on the tennis court, but the benefits are a bit harder to gauge, I guess. It's interesting that you mention the iron cross - that's almost exactly where I draw the line between the gymnastic skills that might be attainable for me with years of dedicated training and the skills that are 100% impossible at my height.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 06:25 AM
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Honestly, it just makes me think less of the men who don't lift. I do find myself getting more and more disgusted at men who are physically out of shape and seemingly not willing to do anything to change it. Is it odd that I'm beginning to get the opposite reaction? Like, I'm weirdly impressed by people who are able to give absolutely zero fucks about fitness or anything else and be content with that and even do okay romantically. Bonus points if they are aware of that and still give no fucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/17 06:17 AM
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Hah, yeah, sounds really familiar.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 06:09 PM
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If your face is pretty symmetrical and you have a decent jaw, you're probably underestimating your beauty. It's just so damn hard to judge your own face objectively. Besides, I have no idea what decent jaw is even supposed to look like. Well, I'm getting more okay with my body, so hopefully I'll eventually find the motivation to get to grooming and style too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 04:47 PM
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Yeah, I guess that's probably true, but it only makes it sadder. Hm, I usually end up as in ISTP. Actually, bodyweight/gymnastics stuff made me turn to strength training in the first place. I've always kinda wanted to be able to do stuff like levers and about half a year ago I finally decided to make some effort towards that (I couldn't even do a chinup at that point, lol). Unfortunately, I also quickly realized that some of those goals are damn hard even at my height and I would have to spend a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 04:20 PM
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Well, you can't really know what I really look or sound like in real life, maybe my insecurities are justified. J/k, I know I'm just being stupid and stubborn at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 04:02 PM
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Well, technically it's by choice, I guess. I never imagined I could ever be involved in a romantic relationship, so I never bothered to pursue anyone. Not sure why I think that way, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 09:43 AM
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1) How would you rate yourself physically, 1-10? Can you find a picture of someone with similar SMV as yourself? Can you find a picture of your hairstyle? Clothing style? Around 5-6 purely physically, overall probably lower due to not bothering with stuff like hairstyle or fashion. 2) Are you overweight? 186cm/87kg puts me on the border line, I guess, but I don't look particularly overweight. 3) How many casual sex partners have you had? 0 4) How many romantic relationships have you had? 0 5) Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 09:30 AM
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Sounds like you hamstering if we're being real. Sure, that's what I'm best at, to be honest, as I spend way too much time inside my head. Plus, I kinda hate setting grandiose goals and prefer thinking in the short term. Building strength isn't masculine? When done for aesthetics or simply for the sake of building strength? That's kind of a gray area, imo. And no, I was never really interested in striking martial arts. Now that I think about it, I wouldn't mind giving something like BJJ or maybe …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 07:55 AM
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Frat boy? No idea what you are talking about. Well, I've never been punched for real even once in my life, so dunno. The closest experience, I guess, is getting hit with a tennis ball, which, incidentally, doesn't leave bruises anymore now that I'm more muscular, so there might be some truth to that ¯\(ツ)/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 07:31 AM
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Do you not wish to see the potential your body holds? Waiting for you to unlock it for who knows what will be foretold? Sounds needlessly pretentious for casually lifting in my late 20s... You're embracing masculinity By lifting weights? Right. upping your testosterone Actually, I'm fairly certain that I had high T (at least, total) before lifting. Didn't turn me into a risk taking masculine alpha, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 06:14 AM
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Well, that's like saying that being fit is better in case you are enslaved, thrown into a colosseum and forced to fight lions - both benefits are equally imaginary for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/17 05:49 AM
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I guess the confidence will arise when you see a woman look after you lustfully. Hah, as if that's just gonna happen :D
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 11:39 AM
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That sub is a damn mystery to me. Like, I can see that some forearms are impressive, but quite a few of the upvoted posts are just completely normal forearms. I feel like most dudes would look the same in the arms crossed pose anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 08:44 AM
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But, thinking objectively, there is so little reason to even bother getting stronger. I get that it's seen as "good", but why exactly? Doesn't matter, these thoughts tend to go away at the gym anyway, because it's fun. As for looking better or getting benefits, I'm not feeling it at all. Am I supposed to look in the mirror, find myself attractive and derive confidence from that? That's probably never gonna happen, even if I do get lean and muscular.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 08:15 AM
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Yay, another paper written by me got more or less easily accepted. It's a bit surprising, I guess, that moaning about my depressing life here allows me to keep enough language proficiency to actually write stuff, because that's the only writing practice I get. Also, I still find it kinda amusing that I, despite being the guy who barely even knows how to speak, get to represent my lab both in written (by writing papers) and in oral (by speaking at conferences) form.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 07:42 AM
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forcing yourself to do more reps is great to build discipline and resilience I don't know, I feel like it doesn't build general discipline, but rather task specific discipline, I guess. In the same way I could claim that doing dailies in MMO built discipline, because doing the same mind-numbingly boring content for hundreds of times made me want to die at times. Also overall happiness is greater, whenever you go out of the gym you should feel much more focused, free and joyful. And before going …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/17 06:27 AM
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I've been complaining a lot about progress photos being depressing and stuff, but I just realized that for the first time in my life I'm actually beginning to look kinda V-shaped, even if just from the back. So, I guess, going to the gym consistently does have some effect on the physique, quelle surprise. However, I can't help but find it so damn pointless at times. Like, I spend hours of my life creating meaningless physical challenges for myself to overcome in order to what? Be stronger? Look …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/17 04:43 PM
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naturally inclined to be fat, lazy, low-SMV losers Yeah, but do such "natural" inclinations even exist? There is no way in hell I can claim that I was born to be a low-SMV loser, but I did develop some bad habits over the years and my mindset got more and more loser-ish, I guess. In the end, however, all these behaviors were definitely learned, not natural, and, speaking hypothetically, I could probably unlearn them with enough effort and replace them with better ones. Will people be able to tel…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/17 09:02 AM
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"Young man meets otherworldly male mentor who coaches him to heroic fame while getting the girl once out of his league." I feel like this is a very shallow way to look at these stories. They are not about "getting girls out of your league", they are about rising up to a heroic challenge and growing as a person as a result. The girl is literally an afterthought. The problem, however, is that in our mundane lives there are few heroic challenges to rise up to, so these stories are not very applicab…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/17 09:17 PM
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No, looking for an easy way is probably the mentality of the smart. Not everyone aspires to be strong anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 06:09 PM
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Yeah, the internet (and this sub in particular) is an awful place when it comes to motivation. I can easily find reasons to talk myself out of doing anything productive. In this light, I'm beginning to understand TRP's obsession with lifting. Gym is like the only place where I can't procrastinate at all because there is literally nothing to do but to lift weights. I wish working on other issues was that easy...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 05:10 PM
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More than 1 million people, so quite large by my country's standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 07:48 PM
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Well, I don't particularly mind traveling and the farthest I've gone on a whim was 3000 km, but that was for a Radiohead concert (totally worth it, by the way). So, I guess, if the date involves a fun place I've never been to, some fun activity I've never tried or if she sounds as fun as a Radiohead concert (kinda unlikely), I'd be willing to go quite far. If, however, it's a simple date with a random person, as desperate as I am, I still won't go outside my city.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 07:41 PM
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and give up without even trying Nah, I'm fine with giving up. It's not like anyone would care and I myself certainly don't care enough to go through the embarrassment of learning how to human in my late twenties. It's easy to stay alone when you don't know what you are missing anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 06:19 PM
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I don't know whether I qualify as older generation but my issue with online dating is basically the same as my issue with social media - for me, the internet has always been the place detached from my reality, the place where I can be, well, not me. I don't really want to accept that these days the online persona is basically inseparable from the actual person.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 10:46 AM
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To be fair, if only top tier guys can get laid (no idea whether it's actually true or not), wouldn't it still be associated with desperation and sadness for most guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 10:31 AM
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Great, more stuff to be insecure about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 10:05 AM
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When you tell people you are in physics they probably assume you are super smart, but you probably know that the truth is you are just motivated. There is no concept in physics that normal people are incapable of understanding, it just takes time and effort to get it. What? No, I'm not super smart, I'm not motivated at all and I hate physics. It's just a job like any other, I spend time writing probably terrible articles, boring reports, giving talks at the conferences or seminars and occasional…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 09:58 AM
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Oh yeah, and try dating to see how I like it. Or flying a plane. I mean, I would if I could but it's not that simple at all. Imagine someone is interested in my job and I'm like "it's fun, try working as a researcher for a couple of years and see how you like it". That sounds about as easy to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 08:19 AM
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James fucking Spader Honestly, that's like the only example that makes sense to me. I'm not even a woman and I only saw him in Boston Legal, but that's probably the go-to Chad example in my mind, because he is just unbelievably charismatic. The problem is that this Chad example is super unhelpful - there is no way in hell I could replicate even a fraction of his charm, lifting weights is much, much easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 06:33 AM
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That's kind of a tough question. I feel like I'm supposed to answer "yes" to all your 3 questions, but I'm not certain how much of a desire to strive for that I actually have. It's not like I was ignored, bullied or something like that - my current friendlessness and datelessness are the results of my own actions. I can't figure out whether I never really wanted it in the first place and it's part of who I am or whether I've been isolated for so long that I taught myself not to want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/17 03:50 AM
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Well, my job, but it's in physics so it's not very social and occasional (very, very occasional) hangouts with leftover friends from uni.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/17 09:00 PM
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A guy ten years younger than me (17) who is aiming to become a pro or at least a coach, so he still absolutely destroys me. Of course, we do talk, but not that much outside the tennis court.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/17 08:47 PM
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How about starting with making eye contact and smiling with strangers as you walk by them? Would you be able to do that? Wrong country for that. I can do that, but most people won't make eye contact with you and certainly won't smile. Are you still doing them? Were you doing them for yourself or to get women? Yes to lifting and sorta yes to running - it's too damn cold most of the year and lifting and tennis take up most of my energy. And I'm certainly doing them for myself - getting women sound…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/17 08:18 PM
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Probably learn to approach and talk to other people like a normal human being is supposed to, except I don't really have the self esteem to do that. Oops. Also, running and lifting were two activities that I had always wanted to do and never did, but they didn't change a thing when I finally caved in and gave them a try, at least so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/17 08:02 PM
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You: "Hey I really value taking care of myself, and that includes working out." <Go work out> You: "Hey I worked out today. I did something that I value. I am becoming the person I want to be. Go me!" But there is absolutely nothing validating about that. Come on, it's just a workout, it's not some impressive achievement and it doesn't even make you feel more attractive if it's not supplemented by some sort of external validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/17 07:04 PM
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Suppose that women suddenly start looking at you with lust, left and right. That's the thing, I can't really imagine that. Besides, there is no need to jump from one extreme to the other - while I probably don't want constant external validation, some definitely wouldn't hurt. And being self validating sounds nice, but it is also a bit delusional when you have no positive experiences to fall back on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/17 06:10 PM
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Well, even though I do contribute to the depressing statistic myself, there is no way I can say that I didn't get laid because of my high IQ with a straight face. That just sounds ridiculous. Besides, there was never a time when I was religious, saving myself for marriage or having some superior intellectual pursuits. I do relate to risk aversion and "delayed onset of sexual behavior" - whatever the hell that means, it hasn't really happened to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/17 05:20 PM
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Personally, feels like zero. Not matter how much I will try to patch up the facade, the actual unattractive person inside won't change. Objectively speaking, probably a lot. It is very hard to completely max out your potential so there is always some room to grow.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 05:00 PM
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we care that in one-on-one settings you're not awkward and boring. It has always been my belief that it takes two for it to be boring. I know that I am a terrible entertainer, but I love listening to people talk and asking questions, so the few conversations I do have with actual human beings usually turn out alright. Of course, if neither of the two is particularly good at talking, the conversation will probably suck, but it's not fair to put the blame solely on the guy in this case, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 04:55 PM
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I wonder how many months of lifting it will take for progress pictures to stop looking so damn depressing. I feel good after a lifting session, but then I take an unflexed photo at home and immediately realize that I still am sort of fat with barely any traces of muscle. As always, I was so much happier when I was oblivious to this stuff...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 04:46 PM
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Hah, well, I guess I haven't met "them" yet because that's not something I've ever heard. Anyway, charming guys are charming, smarts have nothing to do with it. I'm fairly certain that being smart didn't help me socially at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 09:26 AM
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Well, sometimes I think that I would gladly trade 20 cm of height and whatever IQ I have above a hundred for the mindset, personality and social skills of an "average man" and become happier as a result (as long as I don't remember about the trade, of course).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 09:06 AM
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Chad is basically the representation of what they don't have and may never have Hm, looking at it like that, my Chad probably won't be your ripped douchebro, but rather the elusive "average man". The guy who is overweight and yet doesn't give a fuck about it and accepts himself as is, the guy who can spend most evenings watching TV and playing games and not hate himself for it, the guy who, despite all his flaws, still feels entitled to female attention and has the confidence to pursue it. That …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 08:32 AM
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So yes, if you were being honest right now, how many of you are ugly? Objectively speaking, I'm probably average at worst, not ugly. Yeah, there are things I could work on, many things, but I wouldn't dare to actually call myself ugly when I don't really have any physical deformities. However, "not ugly" is a very low bar to clear and I have a tough time believing any person could actually be attracted to me, not just find me "not ugly". And these insecurities kinda prevent me from making effort…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/17 03:50 AM
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Actually, not really, only grades 11-12, but there were barely any girls to avoid at this point. Like a proper anime protagonist, I even had a very close childhood friend. It's just that there was never any sexual tension - I guess, my development in that regard was way too slow ¯\(ツ)/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 06:01 PM
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Oh, great, more things I've never experienced. This should be fun to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 05:29 PM
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I'd say approaches are the same. There is another human involved but it's still a solitary thing for the guy approaching. A good analogy may be a job interview, more than one human involved... but the interviewee is on his own. It's not a team effort with the interviewer. Ah, well, the issue is that I haven't been to an actual job interview either. My job were basically given to me for free (well, after an exam of sorts, but not really a conventional interview). Actually, you know what, the stuf…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 02:29 PM
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I'm not necessarily talking "cold approaches" in the club Hm, I thought cold approaching meant approaching in normal daily life,. Doesn't matter though, for me going to a club/bar, especially alone, would probably be much harder anyway than actually approaching. Ever go up to the highest diving board at the pool and jump off ? IME it's like that. The problem is I can't really see it like that. Diving from the highest board is scary and all, but it's a thing I can overcome on my own. However, inv…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 09:36 AM
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Is it really that hard to understand that approaching is hard though? People here act like it's normal for guys to approach hundreds of women and it's no big deal, but I really really doubt it's all that common. I was curious and asked some of my friends and colleagues and most of them got into their relationships through social circles, not approaching random girls. In fact, some of them agreed that even the idea of cold approaching is scary and there is no way they could do it easily. And thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 06:49 AM
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Why should there be? Confidence only comes from doing (and maybe from external validation to some extent but as a guy I'm unlikely to get that either) and years of not doing anything would have destroyed mine anyway had there been anything to destroy in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/17 04:45 AM
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Hm, I'm not exactly sure how I stumbled upon this subreddit, but it's definitely not the quality of discussion that keeps me coming here, but rather the subject itself. As pathetic as that sounds, my life is so entirely devoid of intergender relations that this subreddit provides some sort of a fix, at least on some level. And reading about things you've never experienced is always interesting. Sort of like fiction literature, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 06:15 PM
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I don't know, "voluntary" implies that I definitely could get laid if I did approach, but even though it's probably true with enough effort, I wouldn't really dare to call myself volcel when I have no confidence to approach at all. Though calling myself an incel when I'm not actually trying would also be wrong, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 01:27 PM
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Incel "approaches" one girl a few years ago, she started the conversation, and then politely excused herself when he barely responded. This is ironclad evidence that he is incredibly ugly and no women want to fuck him. Oh man, that sounds so relatable....
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/17 01:01 PM
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It's hard to understand because none of the things you said can even be called advice. Come on, it doesn't even offer any meaningful actions to take. Granted, I know that I'm an extreme outlier, and had my late teens and early twenties been a bit more normal, I probably would've turned out alright, with or without these platitudes. RP, while a bit too pretentious and ridiculous at times, at least suggests some steps that I could take if I really wanted to. BP really offers nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/17 02:02 PM
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?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/17 06:21 PM
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And/or various other factors are dragging down your SMV. Like having almost no friends, no social hobbies, zero dating experience, being too awkward and shy to approach and talk to people, and working at a place almost entirely devoid of women? Sure. It's just that lifting on its own, at least at this point, wasn't enough to shift my mindset and outlook from "incel beta" towards "Chad" in the slightest.
/r/TheRedPill09/06/17 06:20 PM
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I'm 6'1", started at about 185 pounds, now around 190 but I look a bit leaner now than when I started. To be honest, I could probably lose some weight, but I don't feel like I have enough muscle to cut to yet anyway. People that know me do notice it, but they just don't really care that much, I guess.
/r/TheRedPill09/06/17 06:16 PM
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I don't know, to be honest, it reads a bit like fiction, because I can't relate to your experience at all, at least on such a short timescale. I've been lifting for three months and while it certainly has improved my physique a lot, I found that nobody gives a fuck in the real world. Nobody's checking me out, nobody's hovering around me anywhere. It might be an American thing, I guess, as my country doesn't really have an obsession with lifting, but three months of it gave me absolutely nothing …
/r/TheRedPill09/06/17 07:38 AM
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No mentor. What's worse, my high school/uni experience was kinda secluded, I guess, - the classes/groups were small and mostly male and there was very little dating happening around me, so there weren't any examples to follow. My parents didn't bother to advise me on anything either, probably hoping that I would figure stuff on my own. The joke's on them, though, because now the family bloodline will most likely end with me ¯\(ツ)/¯ As for outcomes in social life and sexual life, I can't really b…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/17 07:46 AM
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Must be nice arguing against straw man. I mean, I'm your proverbial dateless STEMlord and I can't relate to a single thing you've listed. Someone drinks beer and enjoys socializing? Stupid douchebag normie This one is particularly amusing because it's those who don't enjoy socializing and drinking that are typically looked down upon by those who do, not the other way round.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/17 01:32 PM
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Okay, there is no way I can argue against your position and your experience. I know that you are undeniably correct and I appreciate you taking time to advise a stranger. It's just that no matter what you write, unfortunately words on the internet have little power when it comes to motivation. I guess I wish I had someone to talk to about stuff like this in the real life, but then I wouldn't be in this position, would I? And for all my self awareness, somehow it's still much more tempting to see…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/17 07:40 AM
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It's post Industrial Rev... so likely you'd be looking at 6*12 hour days for your work, for a subsistence wage that left you hungry, in appalling working conditions that makes a Bangladeshi sweatshop look like the google campus.. and with a clear societal expectation that you spend most of your day off praising god in a church. Sing me up. It still sounds better than my current researcher job where 90% of the time I don't have a single clue what I'm even supposed to be doing (well, actually, I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/17 02:41 PM
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I mean, in the modern world having no options also sucks because you are constantly reminded that other people do have options. Not you, though, other people, better people. However, if you aren't aware of them, you could probably still live a happy life. Sometimes I wish I had been born a couple centuries ago instead, life definitely would have been a lot simpler, though probably also much shorter. Work out your door, kick the fucker in, and go bursting into the room waving your cock in the air…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/17 10:16 AM
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Do options make you happier though? I just feel regret when I try to learn a skill and realize how much time I wasted and how much better I could have been had I started at some reasonable age. Would you also argue dumb guys are better off because the chance at college is closed to them, but not to the smart ? So they might incur a big debt doing it "because it's there" ? Well, big debt is not really a thing in my country, but that's a tough question, to be honest. I think that schools are gener…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/17 08:32 AM
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Men are lucky in that we're just not as tied to immediate physical attraction as girls are. You know, I've heard this opinion many times already, but I don't see how it makes us lucky. I'm supposed to become fitter, look better, dress better, and start talking and acting differently just to have a shot at becoming average. Basically, I need to become a different person or at least fake it convincingly. That doesn't sound fun to me at all, to be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/17 08:01 AM
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I don't know, I'm not familiar with the comic books at all, so I had no idea what to expect, but I walked away kinda disappointed in the end. I think the superhero stuff didn't mesh too well with the normal human stuff, the message about love was delivered a bit ham-handedly and the last battle was way too anime-like for comfort. I don't regret watching it, but I found the latest marvel movies a bit more congruent, I guess, and more character driven, so they were more enjoyable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/17 05:49 AM
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I mean, how can you argue with that? If you remove social skill issues from the equation, of course lifting would be one of the better remaining options. What else is left? Plastic surgery? And as anybody who's lost weight could tell you, a suspiciously large number of people are suddenly much more enthusiastic about talking to you. Oh, and I can't attest to that at all. I was overweight at 100 kg, skinny-ish at 70 and now I'm at the slightly-overweight-but-with-traces-of-muscle stage at 87 kg. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/17 05:32 PM
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Your definition of empathy makes no sense, but I don't believe that genuine empathy in the dictionary way (identifying with feelings and experiences of others) exists. I do believe that people know empathy is a thing, know when they are supposed to feel empathetic and how they are supposed to express it, but you can't really place yourself in other person's shoes without some relevant and relatable experience of your own. Also, the "relationships are transactional" view is not unique to TRP at a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/17 07:58 PM
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I don't know, I think the guy one the left is an extreme outlier. I am probably average skeletonwise and 3 months of lifting have definitely moved my physique towards the guy on the right. Doesn't matter though, still can't approach a girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/17 08:14 AM
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Yeah, but what does having no sense of humor even mean? Because I don't think I've met a single person incapable of at least appreciating humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 05:32 PM
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Well, if I actually had the courage to approach strangers about playing in a band, I'd probably have the courage to talk to girls too, but alas. I'll never convince myself that I'm good enough to play with others (though we did occasionally play together at uni, which was kinda fun and some of it can even be found in the uncharted depths of youtube), that I'm social enough to approach strangers, that I'm attractive enough for a girl to be interested in me. I don't know, reading about irl stuff i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 11:39 AM
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You can't do this to me, the new version of Median XL has just come out and I need to get through my yearly Diablo 2 stint. Joking aside, I'll definitely give it a go, but I'm fairly certain that the stuff I'd get the Oooomph for would still remain asocial. I'd probably do more reading, pick up bass again and, hell, maybe even run that marathon though I don't really have the build for it. But, hey, still better than wanking and vidya.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 09:06 AM
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and because you're only young once you won't ever get to put it right. I don't know, at 27 I don't consider myself young anymore. I already messed up the most important years of my life, so might as well mess up all of it for good measure... And now that I think about it, looking through our conversation makes me dislike myself even more. I guess, this is why spending too much time on the internet instead living the actual life is not a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 08:30 AM
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Well, thanks for trying to convince me. I've read things like that before and they do make sense on some intellectual level at least. However, somehow I still struggle with internalizing those ideas. I may read about action being better than regret a million times and nod along, and yet in the real world I still choose inaction every time. Besides, I don't really regret not approaching because I never even see any opportunities in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 07:47 AM
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At the very least, you need to get out of the house and socialize in groups with plenty of men and women, and have a good time. Then you need to learn to recognize when a woman's into you, and at least give her the non-verbal green light to go ahead. That's like the absolute bare minimum. THAT's the bare minimum? That sounds about as attainable as 4 plate bench to me, to be honest. I have no "groups with plenty of men and women" to hang out with and I never did, not even in uni. Hell, I barely h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/17 07:17 AM
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But from what I saw when I was looking for good learning software, this seems to be a problem of every app even the expensive ones. Ah, well, at least investing in paid software provides you with financial motivation which is usually the best kind. I am not really interested in animals. That's the issue with many textbooks too, but you are expected to know this if you want to be proficient. When I was learning English, I focused on the stuff I liked, but at some point I realized that while I cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 06:49 PM
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If they're not sending them to you then you've got to be hotter. But iif you catch a girls eye, and she holds it for a second with a smile, then go say hi. You're being cleared for landing. And then what? I have no idea how to "draw the rest of the fucking owl", so to speak. Do you want the goal or not ? Well, that's the thing, it's hard to really really want something you've never ever had. On the other hand, I can't say no to your question with absolute certainty either, so I'm kind of in limb…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 06:42 PM
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You should be looking out for IOIs. I don't know, at this point I'm fairly certain that IOIs anywhere are pure fiction. I'll believe it when I see it, I guess, but people are paying zero attention to strangers 99% of the time, no matter how majestic their forearms or boobs are. Well, lesson #2 (now you're lifting) you have GOT TO APPROACH GIRLS if you want to have a gal. I get this lesson, it's just that apparently I don't want it enough to overcome my awkwardness and do it. Oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 02:47 PM
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Heh, reddit's obsession with forearms is also a mystery to me - like, they are just forearms, who cares. Anyway, it only matters if you are exposed to girls in your daily life. If you only go to job/gym/tennis practice, which are basically girl free, it doesn't make a difference. And looking better definitely didn't convince me to go out more or, god forbid, approach girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 01:23 PM
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So-so, I guess. You don't become a pro lifter in 3 months, so the numbers are not good yet and some of the lifts are still awkward, but at least I'm progressing. Physique improvements are definitely noticeable, at least in gym mirrors - taking a photo at home with no pump is more depressing. However, I started from complete zero with barren emptiness in places where things like lats, delts and pecs are supposed to be, so that's not much of an achievement. All of this is completely meaningless ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 12:52 PM
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Yeah, I kinda do, though I started not too long ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 12:05 PM
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Well, then your filter is unreliable, I guess. Going to the gym is super easy and doesn't really take much effort, but anything related to social stuff sounds impossible to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 11:55 AM
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To be honest, there is/was a lifting cult on the TRP sub, but I still have no idea what lifting has to do with dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 11:21 AM
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I'm probably neither of those two options, so it makes no difference to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 09:21 AM
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Well, technically I have no right to complain because I've never even bothered to try. I guess, thanks to the internet, I skipped straight to the doom and gloom stage without actually going through the effort and rejection part ¯\(ツ)/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 07:44 AM
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To war? No way. I don't want to kill other people to increase my chances of getting laid. I wouldn't mind signing up for something like a dangerous exploratory expedition, though, but that won't help with romantic opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 07:18 AM
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Well, I hope that love finds me somehow, because I don't really have motivation to go out there and look for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/17 06:13 AM
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What? Of course I can blame external forces for, hm, not placing dateable people within my reach, I guess? It's just that blaming them is meaningless and won't change a thing. And the bitcoin example is a bit simplistic. It goes kinda like this: there was a time when everyone figured out about bitcoins and most people bought at least some. However, I missed that window and now buying new bitcoins is awkward because never ever having bitcoins is seen as embarrassing and the value of one has gone …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 01:14 PM
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I mean, you don't need to be Sherlock to see how that is a problem, but those places don't really sound like fun to me at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 08:24 AM
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Eh, I don't know, it just is? Talking to strangers sounds awkward to me and I don't even see any opportunities to approach (probably because I've never been to a bar or club). That's like asking a couch potato to run 5k - even though it's easy for someone else, he probably still can't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 07:56 AM
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I don't think that's how math works. If you approach 10 girls with 90% rejection rate, there is still like 35% chance to end up with nothing, which, to be fair, doesn't sound that bad anyway. However, approaching 10 girls definitely doesn't sound like an easy task at all, at least to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/17 05:36 AM
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I don't know, I don't really fear getting rejected, it's just that I have absolutely no idea how to approach in a reasonable noncringeworthy manner. Besides, it's really hard to get invested enough in random people to approach and I'm not sociopathic enough to play the numbers game with zero emotional investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 06:29 PM
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Eh, I don't know, it seems like it gets better for the great guys, not for the undateable leftovers. Besides, the "someone else put a ring on it" argument works both ways - great women are already taken off the market by great guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 03:47 PM
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My main problem with Japanese is that it's so damn hard to read. I know lots of kanji and probably even more words, but it's still a struggle to get through any written text. I learned English by reading a lot and doing tons of grammar tests, but I just can't do the same with Japanese. Guess I'll have to bite the bullet eventually and pick up a textbook and stick to it, though doing some of the textbook exercises alone is kinda weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 03:30 PM
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What's supposed to happen in my thirties? I can only imagine everything getting worse and worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 11:54 AM
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It's also worth noting that this include 4 years of university. Thats always going to bump up a guys count. If there is a "target rich environment" it's university/college. I'd expect a similar guy without a college education to easily drop 2-3-4 off this number just through lack of access to that "wide open SMP". Heh, in hindsight, I'm kinda envious of those for whom university was "wide open SMP"... Had it been the case for me, I probably would have turned out more or less normal. But the numb…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 10:06 AM
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So, after 2.5 months of more or less serious lifting, I finally bench pressed my body weight (87.5 kg). Not much of a milestone, I guess, but at least it's something.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 07:25 AM
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That's Duolingo, right? How do you like it? And is the Japanese version different from other languages? I was trying to learn some German, but, while the gamer-y design with levels and achievements was nice, it felt like the stuff I was doing was barely applicable outside Duolingo, so eventually I dropped it. And German is probably much easier to figure out than Japanese.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/17 07:13 AM
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Hm, well, don't think I've seen or done anything from this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/17 05:34 PM
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Maybe? I just don't see how it would work out in my actual daily life. Would women infiltrate my institute just to bask in the glory that is Chad? Would they corner me on the bus or somewhere in the dark alley? Approach me in the gym (yeah, right, there are like 2 people there when I go)? I would still have to put myself out there somehow first and this is the part I'm struggling with.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 03:49 AM
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Eh, if I grew up as 10, then maybe. But changing overnight? It wouldn't matter, because it's not really looks that are holding me back, it's the stuff in my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/17 03:30 AM
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Because it still would have been up to me to actually follow it. Right now, thanks to the internet, I know what I'm supposed to do in theory but I still can't find the motivation to even try. Same thing likely would have happened in the past too. Who cares about girls though, I really wish someone had forced me to put more effort into exercise and career choice when I was a teen.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 08:26 PM
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Never asked and they never gave me any advice on the topic. Guess I was expected to figure stuff out on my own but it didn't really work out in the end. Not sure if advice would've helped anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 07:48 PM
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Hm, people on the internet tend to obsess over looks a lot, but I bet if I became a 10 overnight, I'd still be a sad and lonely 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 05:39 PM
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Heh, posts like this is one of the reasons I shouldn't be reading this damn subreddit. It's just so discouraging.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 10:50 AM
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I don't think that's enough. Most guys who claim to be struggling, at least here on reddit, seem to be okay at communicating, at least in written form, probably have some interests, and are at worst average looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/17 08:50 AM
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Well, great that this approach worked out for you, but, to be completely honest, to me it sounds like a solid way to remain forever alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 05:45 PM
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Actually, that sounds even less useful than "just be yourself". What "types" of women are there? How am I supposed to decide which type I'll be really attracted to? And, most importantly, what makes you think all these women will be attracted to the same type of guy and how am I supposed to figure out what type that is anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 04:48 PM
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Nah, I don't live in the US or anywhere close to that. My country seems to have less of a drive to make everything as social as possible, so it's a bit harder to look for these opportunities, but I'll probably figure something out eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 10:44 AM
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I don't really understand this one. How am I supposed to get commitment if I can't even get sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 08:19 AM
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An area of knowledge is one. Read voraciously on a few topics so that you can speak intelligently and knowledgably in social situations. Fair enough. I'm a practical person and retaining knowledge for the sake of knowledge has never been my forte, so that's something I should work on. And I prefer listening to talking anyway. The alternative is physical skills Thinking about some of those, but I'm not certain yet whether I have the strength to add another physical activity to gym, tennis and pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 06:10 AM
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build some skills just for you. What skills are you talking about exactly? Besides, I doubt that skill specific confidence affects general confidence all that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/17 03:38 AM
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Well, my own "desperation" manifests in not trying at all. I've never even been in the game so now it's a bit of a catch-22 - I don't try because I have no confidence and I have no confidence because I don't try. The way to break this catch-22 is obvious, but I kinda have no motivation to do it, though the longer I wait, the harder it probably will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 08:28 PM
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at least some acceptable bottom threshold of it. And who is going to be the judge of that? For instance, the very same job I do and education I have could be steps on the right way to fulfill his potential for some person, but for me it's a dead end where I ended up thanks to complacency and indifference.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 01:47 PM
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Because it is shameful to waste human potential like that. It's a weird thing to shame for, I feel. Very few people even approach their full potential anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/17 01:17 PM
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I guess I'm fine in my cage ¯\(ツ)/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 05:53 PM
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Oh yeah, it's hard to imagine something more alpha than a 27-year-old physicist with zero romantic experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 05:23 PM
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Again, who the hell is average man? Like, I think my coworkers and friends are average, but most of them are married or in LTRs so they obviously don't have 2 new women per month. Do they count in this debate? Or me. I'm probably within the average range if you use any metric not related to dating. Am I suddenly not "average man" because I can't get a girlfriend? PPD's average man is just as elusive and fictional as Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 03:53 PM
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Every discussion involving "average man" is so weird - one side is basically defining average simply as a guy who can get sex while the opposite side defines it as a guy who can't get it at all. There is no debate to be had when you are looking at it like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 01:39 PM
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I suspect that where you find men who do have this fantasy you're going to find what RP/Evo-Psych would call low value/low sexual access men. Not so sure about that. I have absolutely zero "sexual access" in your terms, but I don't fantasize about rape at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/17 08:54 AM
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I don't think it's possible for me to ever fall in love. I could never get emotionally invested enough into other people. That said, 9 months sounds like too long a period to maintain interest without progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 02:45 PM
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It's not even about the pleasure per se, it's just that I kinda doubt the average client is willing to forgo basic human decency and treat the encounter entirely as "human fleshlight experience". I definitely couldn't view it as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 11:31 AM
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So, I was browsing the quantum physics part of arXiv at work and then I find this: An imperative aspect of modern science is that scientific institutions act for the benefit of a common scientific enterprise, rather than for the personal gain of individuals within them. This implies that science should not perpetuate existing or historical unequal social orders. Some scientific terminology, though, gives a very different impression. My first example is the term ‘ancilla qubit’. In a quantum comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 08:17 AM
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I don't really think it's worth it - I didn't learn anything I haven't heard here before. The MRA side in the movie is kinda depressing and the feminist side is ridiculous, annoying and unlikable, not sure whether it's thanks to Cassie's biased portrayal or because the feminist side is actually ridiculous, annoying and unlikable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 07:58 AM
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Amusingly enough, I'm kinda okay with "Chad", it's "Joe" that makes me somewhat bitter. It bugs me that most men don't go to the gym, don't have some particularly impressive passions and aspirations, and yet most of them still get in LTRs they are content with. Meanwhile, here I am, alone and disappointed with myself, overthinking, overanalyzing and overcriticizing everything I do, say or think.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 07:42 AM
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Hah, if I actually could take advantage of this sort of situation, I'd be a normal human being, but, alas, I'm probably not. And this situation simply was a mildly amusing reminder of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/17 06:16 AM
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Win escorts you don't have to worry about her pleasure at all, it's a male centric experience. That's not actually true, I think. It's only male centric if you are too autistic to notice how into it she is or sociopathic enough to not care at all. But if you are sociopathic, you'll probably easily get casual sex anyway, so you won't need to go to escorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 08:47 PM
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So, after all the whining about how unfriendly strangers in my country are, I actually kinda got approached by this girl when I was outside. Unfortunately, this unbelievable event just had to happen when I was in a rush because I was super late for my tennis practice. So when she smiled at me and made some small talkish comment, the best I could manage was some monosyllabic response she promptly laughed at and then I quite literally ran away... I really am hopeless, aren't I.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/17 06:52 PM
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For some reason you are taking this comment thread way more seriously than I ever could... Anyway, I don't get why you think that sex is all that men want. If I actually had enough self confidence or social skills to even try dating, things you listed (intimacy, connection, etc) would probably be my goal, not sex. But, even though it's what women are supposedly also looking for, somehow I doubt it would be easier to get than casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 06:54 PM
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I'm sorry, but I find it kinda hilarious that you are butchering the usual PPD metaphor about dating. It's men who are supposed to be the dealerships - they are trying to sell their shitty cars but women are not willing to buy them. Your version, however, turns women into prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 05:14 PM
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I guess, it's the onesidedness of this that bugs me. You want Y, but you don't really have to put any effort into getting it. You simply expect to be given Y because that's how the world works. Meanwhile, you sit back, evaluate the quality of Y offered and mock those men who dare to offer Z instead or whose Y is not impressive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 03:51 PM
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Out of curiosity, don't you realize how entitled your attitude sounds? It's kinda like "oh, you guys want X? Well, tough luck, women want Y, so you do Y."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/17 08:28 AM
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Unfortunately, PPD keeps adding evidence to my "women are not worth it" folder. There are so many books I haven't read, albums I haven't listened to, places I've never visited and so many physical goals to strive for. Why should I instead waste so much time and effort on pursuing women who think of unsuccessful men (i.e. me) with so much disdain?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/17 07:22 AM
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I'm not saying he is supposed to die, but he has to be willing to risk his life for someone else, which is no small feat.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 07:50 PM
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I thought the message in the white knight stories is that you are inherently worthless but you can obtain worth by doing stuff (where doing stuff includes willing to die for someone else). It's kinda sad, now that I think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 07:25 PM
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Being better at something than 99% of the population doesn't make you good. And there is much more to talent than simply discipline. Also, while my 1000 hours were definitely not spent in the most optimal manner, it's still a stupid sport with a racket and a ball. Getting better at social interaction, where there are no meaningful goals or progressions, sounds much harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 06:51 PM
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Really? You think after 150 conversations you would have learnt nothing? Don't you think that you could get better pretty fast? I'm not sure, I guess I believe in that 10000 hours to mastery thing. For example, I probably invested slightly more than 1000 hours into tennis, but the guy I'm playing with is a natural who also practices much, much more than me (he is aiming to go pro, although a bit half-assedly). Every time we play, it's painfully obvious how meaningless my 1000 hours were compared…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 06:33 PM
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More realistically, 95% of the girls would not be single or reject me outright, the remaining 5% would be somewhat receptive but the conversation would fizzle out because they would soon realize that I have no idea how to talk to other human beings and women in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 05:58 PM
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Sounds so ... impossible? Somehow, I can't even imagine trying it, let alone being successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 02:02 PM
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Russia, and apparently one of the less social cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 01:50 PM
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In real life you see each other, smile, approach, talk/flirt Lol, it really sounds like fantasy to me - where I live making eye contact with other people outside is almost impossible and a punch from a stranger would probably be much less surprising than a smile.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 01:32 PM
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Well, I'm supposedly a 'thinker', but I also find this view rather unappealing. However, I believe it's a side effect of trying to have some sort of an intellectual debate regarding these issues - in real life, most people probably view it much less transactionally. Nonetheless, as a person without an actual romantic life, I find PPD's description of dating very demotivating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/17 12:39 PM
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Typical. And then you wonder why you get no empathy from guys ¯\(ツ)/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 05:21 AM
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Most guys can't really understand it, I think. Sure, I can understand it on an intellectual level, but I can't really experience it because I get no attention at all, be it wanted or unwanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/17 05:06 AM
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If you count fitness as effort towards improving overall appearance, then somewhere around 15 hours per week if you include things like playing tennis casually and stretching. Zero effort on anything else. Considering doing some research on stuff like haircuts and style, but I don't really care and I don't like my own face anyway. Zero sexual success, but I have no confidence to even try.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 10:05 AM
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My point is that just saying true things to people, it won't make them act on them, especially when things aren't guaranteed. I think that's basically why people defend TRP as a concept. Just saying simple truths is not enough, but wrapping it all up in flair, mystique and buzzwords might make it more appealing for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 09:28 AM
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Maybe you are just paying more attention to guys? As a guy, when I'm outside I tend to notice women at least to some extent while most men don't really register on my radar at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 09:24 AM
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Sure, but wouldn't your definition of "completely clueless" include quite a significant percentage of the male population? Even if you deny TRP, something is necessary to make people care about fitness and health.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 09:21 AM
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That's such a weird train of thought. Even if you assume that most men know fitness will make them more attractive, 90% of those men still don't do anything about it. Have you been outside? The average man doesn't look lean and muscular even in my not very obese country (though I think it's been getting worse over the years). If TRP's ridiculous packaging is good enough to convince these men to start lifting, it's a point in favor of RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 08:55 AM
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But of course, being smart is more important than socializing anyway, due to the fact that smart people are much rarer than social people. Have you read Flowers for Algernon? One without the other is still not very fun. Well, at least you supposedly can become more social if you try, but becoming smarter is a bit unlikely, so there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 08:15 AM
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Basically, being smart in school sucks. There is little incentive to make effort because it's very rarely recognized - even if you succeed, you are usually praised for being smart. By the time I was 12 I stopped trying altogether and just followed the path of least resistance (that might sound odd as I ended up in science which is not really considered easy but that's how it happened). Unfortunately, this half-assed mindset also seeps into other areas of life. I never pursued meaningful hobbies …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 07:31 AM
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This is going to sound pretentious, but I feel inferior in some indescribable fundamental way. Like, I was given all the right cards (I'm taller than average, probably smarter than average, born into more or less well off family by my country's standards) and yet I couldn't leverage my advantages into any sort of professional, social and especially romantic success. I can't stop thinking that a different person could've made a much better use of my physical and mental capabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/17 06:23 AM
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When they put their shirts back on, does anyone really notice that they're in better shape than before they were working out (unless they were fat beforehand)? Absolutely. I put on about 6 kg over the last 8 months - never cared for my nutrition, so, likely, a lot of that is still fat. Still, my waist is now thinner, my shoulders are broader, my arms are slightly bigger and more vascular at times. Overall, it is definitely noticeable even in clothes and would probably be even more noticeable if …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/17 04:35 PM
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So, what exactly is this post supposed to make me do? "Stop running from conflict and hardship"? These are just meaningless buzzwords and verbal garbage. Or maybe I'm just not man enough to be motivated by stuff like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 06:39 PM
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You have to look at all the sciences as a whole. Including stuff like linguistics? Maybe, but then saying that "half of researchers are women" is kinda meaningless when some of the fields are still heavily gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 06:04 PM
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Physics, stuff like plasma/laser/solid-state physics if you want more specificity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 01:02 PM
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Hm, interesting, I wonder why my experience is so different.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 12:30 PM
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Out of curiosity, where is that stat from? Because I am a physicist in Russia and my institute is like 90-95% male when it comes to researchers, and even my uni group had a similar gender distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/17 12:03 PM
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Unfortunately, no amount of lifting will convince you to actually approach and talk to girls. In fact, it can provide more excuses - "I'll work on that when I can bench 2 plates" or "I'll start approaching when I get to X% bf" and so on. So, yeah, I think that social skills part is more important and I really wish I could convince myself to do that instead. However, fitness is much, much easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/17 01:50 PM
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Out of curiosity, what do you mean by immediate results? Putting on some muscle has done absolutely nothing for me other than a few stray comments from friends and some performance improvement when it comes to the sport I'm playing casually.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/17 02:09 PM
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I think it's supposed to motivate you to improve yourself. However, a cartman-esque "screw you guys, I'm going home" is a lot more natural response to that for most guys, at which point you are shamed again for being a quitter. I'm not exactly sure what attitude you want to see, anyway. Doesn't matter whether you are coddled or mocked here, this is just an anonymous discussion board and your life is your life, it's your job to make it better, not reddit's.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/17 09:03 AM
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Most people are single because they don't try enough I mean, it's kinda obvious. However, it's kinda frustrating too. I don't really want to have to try 24/7. I have to try at the gym, then try at my job, then try some more when I play tennis. I just want to do something more fun and easy in my spare time, not waste it on something as awkward or terrifying as socializing and especially cold approaching women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 06:22 PM
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Socially autistic? I'm not really sure I can blame my upbringing because I sucked at socializing for the sake of socializing from the ripe age of 4. Apparently, in kindergarten I would hide in the locker to avoid human interaction. It didn't really get better from that point - I'm okay at purposeful socializing, but meaningless socializing, unfortunately, is not something I consider fun. Sexually autistic? There were way too few women in my life, most of them were just acquaintances, some of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 08:02 PM
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Honestly, I wish I was actually desperate. Desperation might have been enough to push me to do something productive. However, I think the end emotion is not really despair, it's indifference. Or maybe I'm just not man enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 12:17 PM
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I actually think that entitlement to attraction is closer to an alpha trait - you can only feel entitled to something if it's a natural thing to you. What unsuccessful men feel is the exact opposite of entitlement - at heart they feel unworthy of attention so they either end up begging for it or playing it safe and leaving everything to the woman (and then complaining about friendzone, naturally). Of course, when you are so needy and invested in the outcome, the rejections will eventually cause …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 05:10 AM
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Option 1 for sure, it's already familiar and comfortable in its misery. Option 2, however, seems even worse - investing time and effort into a relationship with a person I'm not even attracted to sounds like a nightmare.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 07:24 PM
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I think you should read the all time top posts on PPD - the "nice guys" topic has been done to death. Anyway, it's this "disclaimer" thingy that makes BP position sound so ridiculous. You say "nice guy" but imply "a guy who only acts nice to get sex" (who even comes up with such a nefarious strategy?). You say "be yourself" but then have to attach an essay to explain what you actually mean. You say "entitled", but then use it to describe the exact opposite of entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 06:30 PM
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Dunno, most people who actually post pictures on reddit look at least average, including incels, FA and the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:35 PM
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Probably to take picking a career path much more seriously. Going with the flow lead me down the path I probably shouldn't have taken. Now I have a useless degree, a job I don't really care for, and, worst of all, I still have no clue what I actually want to do with my life. "Pick a sport and stick to it" or even just "exercise" is also a good one but I'm not sure how to word it to make my dumb young self actually do it. I am fairly certain I've been told that a few times and yet I did nothing o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 05:21 AM
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I just question the motivations of those who completely reject the possibility that they could ever find someone worth being with. I don't get how it's supposed to work. Even if you accept this possibility, past a certain age it's not going to just happen on its own. So either you accept it and fully commit to the search or you decide that all this effort is not worthwhile and reject it (or at least pretend to reject it) and go your own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:04 AM
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Nah, I don't really have any motivation and casual sex is something I can't even imagine getting. I'm mostly talking about physical attraction, I guess, not attractiveness as a long term partner. To me, women are "attractive unless *some dealbreaker*", while to women men seem to be "unattractive until *a list of qualifiers*".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 04:08 PM
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You realize that the example wouldn't work if you completely switched genders, right? Guys could probably handle unsolicited nudes or pickup lines from average girls and would welcome more attention from the opposite sex (though, I honestly think it would get old really fast, but whatever), so you have to take the extra step and use grindr in the example. But that's where men can't really relate, I think. Like, are you completely unattracted to men as a gender physically until your magical unico…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 01:55 PM
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Nice subtle brag.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 12:14 PM
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What? Nobody is forcing women to have sex with anyone. Why do you have to exaggerate all the time? Besides, it's statistically much more likely that the options presented are simply average, not some creeps with dick pics. The average might be unattractive to women, I guess, but that's something I can't really relate to as a man. Say, when I'm walking down the street, I find most nonoverweight women my age attractive at least to some extent, so hypothetically I would be fine with having them as …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 09:57 AM
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Sure, "guys will fuck anything" explains why it is easy for heterosexual women to get sex with the gender they are supposedly attracted to. For heterosexual men, however, it wouldn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 09:37 AM
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all he needs to do is hop on grindr. That's such a ridiculous argument that it's impossible to take your post seriously. I have no idea why it comes up so often on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:34 AM
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In the long term? Maybe. But it definitely doesn't work within one conversation. Imagine I'm sad about something and you are like "yeah, that sucks, the same happened to me before". This response is awkward for at least 3 reasons: It shuts me up. Maybe I wanted to talk about it but now I can't without making it look like some sadness tug-of-war event. It makes me feel guilty for making you recall something that made you sad. "I know exactly you feel" is not the response an emotional person wants…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 09:03 PM
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Damn, your american videos are really weird. How is making awkward comments at strangers even a thing? I feel like in my city 99% of people in the downtown area are staring at their phones or the ground all the time instead, careful not to acknowledge each other's existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 07:19 PM
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It sounds like she was at least trying to relate to you on some level with regards to loneliness or whatever Okay, I'm a friendless loner who obviously sucks at social skills, but aren't you supposed to relate about the good stuff, not the bad stuff? The way the woman in the quote handled the situation sounds very insensitive and awkward even if we assume that her intentions were good. And yet women are supposed to be the paragons of social skills ¯\(ツ)/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 06:24 PM
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Unfortunately, the main problem is that there is a difference between strictly personal achievements and social stuff that requires multiple people. A bit of an exaggeration, but imagine you wanted to get better at punching. The real advice would probably be something like "improve your form and hit the punching bag 1000 times a day" - sounds hard, requires dedication, but definitely doable. Imagine, however, that the advice would be to punch 10 strangers a day. Sounds ridiculous and awkward, ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 12:02 PM
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If some super sexy man such as young Che Guevara propositioned me and I was married, I would still be able to walk away There is something about hypothetical statements like this that rubs me the wrong way. Being against cheating is fine and all, but talking in absolutes reads like virtue signalling. Do you think that actual cheaters wouldn't say the same stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 11:31 AM
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the shitty thing is you're not going to get social validation from going to the gym a few times One of the weirder things is that some people aren't even particularly supportive when you start going to the gym. I got "what's the point? you are fine as you are" reaction from friends and coworkers several times when the subject of me working out for strength/physique would come up. I mean, I was skinny fat and had so little muscle that you could easily count the ribs on my chest, there is no way I…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 06:29 AM
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I was really surprised by how relevant Middlemarch felt and how relatable the struggles of multiple characters were. All in all, one of my favorite books and I wish I had time to reread it. However, sometimes I definitely regret spending so many hours in my early 20s on something as asocial as reading 1000 page long classics in a foreign language...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 05:22 PM
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I think Middlemarch is also a good example - Rosamond Vincy and the way her marriage falls apart reads like RP sidebar. That said, I think that most people read classics way too young - for instance, most Russian classics kinda drifted by me when I was forced to read them at school because I was too young to pay attention. Right now I could probably take them more seriously and even learn some lessons, but there is much less time to catch up on reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 04:37 PM
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Hm, my biggest flaw, lack of ambition/motivation, is mentioned in almost every reply. Makes sense...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 03:36 PM
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Heh, you are talking about "getting some ass every now and then" as if it as easy as buying groceries or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 10:32 AM
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Unfortunately, there is no magic pill to "just do it". I usually motivate myself to do stuff by investing money or making an appointment which would be embarrassing to cancel or something like that, but there is no such trick for starting to go out. And I also have no way to impress on you just how attainable any of these goals is. Oh, and somehow this is probably my biggest fear. Realizing that I've been denying myself something easily attainable sounds more depressing than going through life a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:45 AM
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Yeah, you are definitely right. However, I'm somewhat certain that "don't wait until X, start implementing TRP NOW" is mentioned rather often. Anyway, I really wish I could unread everything I've read online (I mean, a lot of advice probably doesn't even apply to my country) and replace it with some actual time outside. But it's getting easier and easier to rationalize not doing anything after acquiring more information.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/17 06:24 AM
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So, I'm confused. If PUA is bad and manipulative, how exactly a non-PUA cold approach supposed to look like? And isn't cold approaching PUA by default? What is this thread even about?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 04:57 PM
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Honestly, your anti-exercise stance is kinda weird. I had absolutely zero aesthetic goals and no expectations when I started strength training and I paid no attention to my nutrition, but even with all my endless supply of self loathing I can't deny that after just 7 months (6 months of BWF + 1.5 months of actual lifting) my body is looking much better than it used to and my shoulder to waist ratio has definitely increased, even compared to the time when I actually was skinny. And I don't even l…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/17 07:16 AM
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I doubt things will change much. Most people are so far from genetic potential anyway that even now the success in the SMP is probably determined by attitude, persistence and personality rather than actual looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 08:04 PM
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Well, either I have no standards or that image is rating women a bit too harshly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 06:37 PM
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Is this supposed to be some kind of a joke? I mean, that's exactly how I rationalize not trying to approach anyone, but even I know that this mindset is sad and depressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 05:45 PM
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Rating the hotness of your professors? You americans are so weird. Besides, we were taught physics by like 70 year olds, I'm not sure "hotness" would even be on the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 04:01 PM
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STEM does have a lot of men but not so many attractive men See, that's the thing, I didn't notice any attractiveness requirements anywhere when choosing faculty. It's easy to rely on stereotypes, but in actuality my group were all different people - some asocial and introverted like me, some more fun and outgoing, some tall, some short. In other words, we were probably just as average as any other major. However, thanks to this depressing subreddit now it seems to me that assuming average is att…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 03:16 PM
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Yeah, but it sounds like there is no agency involved, which is what I'm asking about. Seems rather inefficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 12:33 PM
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So a girl needs to improve her appearance, while a man basically has to become a different person? Sounds reasonable. But you are probably exaggerating a little because I don't think I know a single person who checks all your boxes (especially the defined physique one) and yet most people somehow manage to find girlfriends and get married by my age.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 11:07 AM
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But all women aren't attracted to the same thing. Honest question. If female attraction is so unique and individual compared to male, why aren't women the pursuers in dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 07:18 AM
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you won't feel like a slut if you approach women in the street Really? Cold approaching is weird for both genders, especially in cultures where talking to strangers is not really a thing. if you go into a female-dominated field of study - art, nursing, teaching, caring professions - you're likely to have attractive women to pick from How is that a male advantage? Women can go STEM, my uni group was 96% male.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/17 06:51 AM
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Well, I'm 27, but there were instances where other people told me I looked more like 18, so my future might still be grim, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 11:40 AM
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Honestly, controlling yourself is just hard. Luckily, being slightly taller than average male that occasionally exercises lets me get away with anything when it comes to food but if I were an average woman, I'd probably be so fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/17 09:41 AM
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It takes exceptional circumstances and bad luck to not be able to climb out. To climb out? Sure. But it can be enough to get there in the first place. Then you can actually approach without assuming that you're only getting rejected because of your looks. I don't think that's how self esteem issues work, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 05:37 PM
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The same way everyone else does? Well, its used way too often simply as "everything other than looks" rather than some specific personality types or traits, so your statement is not elaborate enough to be meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 05:35 PM
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CMV: Being incel is entirely personality related. How do you actually define personality? If anything, imo, becoming incel is more about circumstance and bad luck. 99% of guys can become a 5 by dressing like an adult, being in decent shape, and paying more than a fiver for their haircut. So, imagine I did that and now I am a 5 (I'll probably be higher if I did all 3 steps but whatever). Then what? It's not like I am immediately given a set of free 5 GF candidates to choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 01:45 PM
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There are cringey, neckbeard, MRA types and the some of the pick up theories coming out of the redpill are ridiculous. The Red Pill Crowd, could stand to learn that women probably want both a sensitive and strong man (a good chunk of the time for most women anyway) and that women have the same emotions, but feel them differently then men. Was this part even remotely necessary? It's so weird how obsessed people here are with expressing disdain towards the subgroups of men they don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 09:33 AM
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How many of you all actually try to improve yourself vs giving up? I think people want to do the type of self improvement they prefer, but, perhaps, not necessarily the type they need the most. Going to the gym and improving physique would be easy for most guys, but fixing the underlying social skill deficiencies is much harder and more unappealing because it's something that doesn't feel natural to everyone and there are no clear trackable goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 05:57 AM
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Well, being average in looks + slightly above average in smarts didn't bring me much happiness so far, so I'd trade one for the other in a heartbeat, just to see what it's like. Though trading smarts for a different personality type would probably be a better move. Objectively speaking, though, picking something temporary over something more or less permanent would be kind of shortsighted.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 07:40 PM
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Eh, it was more like "She can afford not to save money, because her financial status isn't really under that much scrutiny in the RMP", which is not completely baseless.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 08:36 AM
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No, the boring guy who never travelled will end up bitter and alone while his crush bonds I think you can travel in a boring way too. There are people who love to meet other people and for those travelling is a chance to bond with different cultures and bring back fun stories to tell. For me, however, it's a chance to actually get away from people, see some stuff and spend more time in my own head, so I don't really have much to tell. I'm exaggerating of course, but it's more "boring people are …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 08:24 AM
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I'm supposedly an ISTP and I feel like some ISTP traits kind of messed up my life in general. Like I'm aware how I'm good at "just doing stuff" with little planning and that's probably my best mode of operation, but somehow I'm even better at playing out possible negative outcomes in my head and justifying not doing anything at all. This plagues literally ever y area of my life. Also, I'm good at solving problems but I'm terrible at posing stuff as a problem to myself. For instance, I never real…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 07:53 AM
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Hm, MBTI tests usually type me as ISTP which seems to be a masculine type, but I don't feel very masculine in reality. So I doubt those types are particularly meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 05:41 PM
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Yeah, I've begun working on my fitness a few month ago and it is helpful to some extent. Unfortunately, the gains are barely visible yet, but I'll get there eventually and my posture is already better than it has ever been. Things like haircuts or style are still a mystery to me, but whatever, one step at a time. The social stuff, however, is a problem. Talking to strangers isn't really much of a thing in my country and I'm kinda scared to try it. Guess I'll have to search for something less sca…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 10:11 PM
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It's the abundance mentality. The harder you try, the more desperate you come across. Desperation is a turn off for all women. Haha, I have never even had a crush on anybody, I must be quite the catch. If only it worked that way. Well, I guess if you don't find casual socializing to be the be-all and end-all pastime, you are kinda shafted, aren't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:08 PM
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Well, I vaguely recall some animal training related anecdote where a bear, I think, is kept behind a flimsy fence from the young age. When the bear grows up and gets strong enough to actually break the fence, he doesn't do it because the fact that it is impossible is too ingrained in his brain. Honest answer, though, is that any avenue of dating would be very far out of my comfort zone while misery is comfortable and familiar. My job doesn't facilitate human interaction, my friends are few and d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 06:57 PM
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Its hard to articulate to someone that doesnt have any sexual validation. Yeah, I guess that's the heart of the issue for me and I'm not really certain how I would go about changing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 06:25 PM
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It's mostly because anime has this weird entry barrier where you have to watch terrible shows to get to good ones because good ones are openly mocking the bad ones and that's part of the fun. Also, anime generally doesn't do anything outside of comedy, action or slice of life well, so if you want good drama or romance, you are out of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 06:20 PM
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I don't really feel that this bleeds over into my relationship or that it did when I was single and dating. Maybe I'm just better at compartmentalizing my neurotic tendencies, idk. Nah, the difference is simple. Writing papers is something that every scientist has to do eventually (well, I guess, not me specifically, but there were no volunteers), but nobody would put a gun to my head and force me to date. The more time you spend overthinking stuff, the scarier and harder to do it gets. And I so…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 06:07 PM
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If you had a few accepted papers and felt confident that you could get one accepted with medium effort, how much would your stress levels about it go down? My last paper was my 3rd in English and I put in as little effort as my inner perfectionist would allow, but it was still better written than the previous ones as I got better at speaking and writing about our work over the years. The stress levels definitely went down, but, not to sound too grand, it felt like betraying some part of my ident…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 06:03 PM
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You misunderstood my example a bit. I'm not a student anymore and there no teachers (well, I have a boss but for some odd reason he thinks more highly of my writing than I ever did or, rather, he has a much easier time accepting that there is nobody in my lab that could do it better). Absolutely nobody other than myself cares about the paper quality, the only thing that matters is that it is eventually accepted, but I'm still bothered by it not being good enough for my imaginary standards. Same …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 02:39 PM
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Come on, watching anime is not what alphas are supposed to do. Though, to be fair, Gintama is definitely one of the better shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 02:20 PM
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I still think it's somewhat different - I don't feel unworthy of dating HER, I feel unworthy of dating period. So, basically, just self-esteem issues, not pedestalization. It's kind of similar to how I feel when I'm, say, writing a paper - I'm very conscious of the fact that it's neither as well written nor as well researched as I would have liked it to be. The fact that many other published papers these days are also not very good doesn't really help me get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 02:09 PM
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she'd be lucky to have you. don't approach asking her out like you're asking permission, go into it like you're offering her an opportunity Well, makes sense in theory, but internalizing that mindset when you are 27 with no experience sounds about as easy as drawing the rest of the fucking owl in that meme.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 01:35 PM
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I'm not lolicon, I'm a feminist It feels so embarrassing to even get the reference.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 01:26 PM
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teach you that women are just people What does that actually mean? I never had a problem treating women (well, all ~10 women I've met in my life - thanks, STEM) as people, it's the whole treating women as potential romantic partners that has completely eluded me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 01:08 PM
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So, if I don't need women, why and how am I even supposed to approach them? This whole "the one who is less invested wins" approach to dating sounds so depressing and borderline sociopathic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 12:42 PM
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When you can write stuff like that seriously, you know it's time to get off reddit for a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 05:16 AM
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Without photos humans tend to imagine the people they read about as much more attractive than they actually are. So it absolutely feeds this false concept in your head that you are constantly surrounded by hot people who are fucking all the time. Or even with photos. Like, reddit is assumed to be this sanctuary for unsuccessful men and yet almost everyone who posts pictures is at worst average looking, even the proclaimed incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:45 PM
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Well, I was on the fence about the whole dating thing initially and I have to say that PPD got me much closer to becoming MGTOW than the actual MGTOW subreddit ever could (yeah, I know you can't go your own way if no one wants you in the first place, whatever). So, I guess, in my case the internet definitely didn't make me more hopeful or healthier.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:31 PM
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Have you seen chinese oly lifters? If that is not "jacked", I don't know what is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 12:06 PM
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I was considering giving online dating a try the other day to see what it's like (plus, there is no way I could do any sort of approaching in real life right away), but then I realized I don't even have a single picture of me doing anything outside. Like for example I've been to 10+ countries but not a single photo of me was taken in any of them. That's what you get for being perpetually alone, I guess ¯\(ツ)/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 10:52 AM
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Damn, these summaries make my personality type (ISTP) sound so cool, I wish I actually was that cool in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 07:00 PM
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So I was watching Manchester by the Sea the other day and I found Lee Chandler depressingly relatable. Like he looks normal when he is doing stuff, but there is a void where the normal Human Operating System is supposed to be, so when he is idle for too long that void takes over and it shows. Sometimes I feel like my copy of HOS™ didn't get installed in the first place... I definitely can't relate to his looks or leet handyman skills, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 06:19 PM
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Hm, I think the problem is that there is no magical "human connection" to speak of, but omegas wish there was. We just need to accept the sad reality and treat it as a skill to learn, something that would probably not be fun at all and something that would require effort, lots and lots of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 05:58 PM
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Haha, no, it didn't clear my mind at all, it made me overthink every single encounter way, way too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 05:19 PM
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Instead of working on pickup how about working on forming a genuine connection? And how exactly would you that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 04:53 PM
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Eh, I'll probably regret stating that in the open, but I went that route a few times and it didn't really "fix me" in any conceivable way. It gave me some food for thought though, but nothing more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 04:52 PM
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I think games used to work as an outlet because it was a niche interest to bond over. We would share any new discoveries and discuss favorite games or skip lessons to play counter strike at a computer club. Plus the internet was much less accessible those days and there was a sense of achievement in beating games and explaining the difficult parts to others. Now there is a walkthrough for everything at your fingertips and the fun is gone. Sure, you can discover old games and emulate stuff, but i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 09:01 AM
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Well, there is always the "then what" question. It's not like paying for sex will magically turn you into a new and better person, so this doesn't really solve the problem in the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 08:09 AM
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Really? I feel like video games have somehow managed to become worse despite technological advances. You can still find some fun niche games if you look hard enough, but there is a certain, I dunno, ambition that seems to be gone from the industry. And porn definitely doesn't make anything better, no matter how diverse and accessible it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 07:14 AM
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But I think men have it easier in that way because even if they don't look good physically they can compensate with status and wealth whereas women can't. I'm fairly certain that when people are taking about such compensation, there is a certain baseline of physical attraction that is implied anyway. In other words, you are supposed to be at least average in most respects, but also to be exceptional in some socially respected way. That doesn't sound easy to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 05:14 AM
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Well, I kinda dislike my face and find it really weird, but, objectively speaking, it's unlikely to be that bad + I'm slightly taller than average, so, I dunno, like 4 or 5/10? I never tried to date though, so my appearance hasn't affected my life in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 08:29 PM
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Well, to be fair, in your case it's probably your face rather than the actual fitness that made the difference. Unfortunately, not everyone has conventionally attractive features underneath the fat. Still, there is no reason not to put at least minimal effort into being fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 07:46 AM
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No, I see how it makes sense, but it's still unromantic as hell. I was afraid that I had missed out on some amazing part of life, but the PPD's view of dating sounds so mundane and hollow. What's the point of a relationship where so little is invested that she is ready to "branch swing" and he is ready to "next her" at any time?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 06:08 PM
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My inner romantic is so disgusted when I read stuff like this. We aren't even people to you anymore, just a list of boxes to check and values to assess. Guess I was born in the wrong era of something...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 02:39 PM
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Honest question. What's the obsession with misogyny? As long as it doesn't transfer to any actions in the real world, who cares? People tend to avoid showing what they really think anyway. Besides, BP has no qualms whatsoever about expressing contempt for large groups of men, but in your case it's somehow okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 07:11 AM
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Fair enough. I guess I'm too stuck in the "there is no way anybody could even consider flirting with me" mindset to even consider making the mistake in the opposite direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 07:22 PM
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Oh, believe me, I've read about it enough, the problem is that it has never happened to me and I'm not good at learning without practice. Besides, there is absolutely no potential "she" in my life for anything like that to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 07:00 PM
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As a below averageish scientist, I sort of disagree. You have to be like one in ten million smart for your intelligence to be enough to carry you. I feel like most successful scientists are very businessman like and not nerdy at all. They are outgoing, likable and good at networking. Slightly above average intelligence is probably enough to carry you through uni and maybe land you the job (at least, that's how it worked for me), but anything further than that would require a different kind of sk…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 06:47 PM
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Welp, thanks for confirming I'm unattractive, I guess. Nothing even resembling flirting has ever happened to me with waitresses.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 06:32 PM
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Well, I guess you can't be good at everything? I mean, I'm liked at work and I'm usually the designated speaker when it comes to conferences and stuff (though, mostly due to me being the only somewhat competent English speaker), but I suck at small talk and usually try to divert the conversation into something at least moderately meaningful if I'm involved in it. And there is absolutely no way I could ever flirt or even tell that I'm being flirted with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 06:28 PM
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So your "passable" level is basically to succeed at every point where social skills are tested? That's not passable, that's exceptional.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 05:44 PM
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Hm... Check. As in not making obvious faux pas? Check, I guess. That's too broad, I'll probably fail at stuff like flirting, but do okay otherwise. 9/10 people would probably fail that and where do you even find tense situations in daily life? Though I'm usually the voice of reason at work. Fail, who needs small talk? With a purpose? Easy peasy. Just for fun? No way. Check. Never dated, so automatic fail, I guess? Check, who even does that? Too many of those are just "don't say dumb stuff" and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 05:40 PM
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Out of curiosity, how do you define "passable social skills"? People throw that around a lot, but I'm not sure what they are actually mean by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 01:59 PM
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I don't buy it. I work at an actual research institute and most people here are fairly average and normal. In fact, I was surprised and slightly disappointed by how few of the researchers are physics obsessed nerds. Same deal when we were studying - the problem was not nerdiness but rather the complete absence of targets to pursue. Those who did go out to pursue girls elsewhere did okay I believe (most of them are married by now), but those who did not... Well, here I am. Granted, I'm not from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 06:39 AM
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Strictly speaking, I'm not one hundred percent sure I could call TRP self-improvement in the first place. It reads more like a set of tools designed to improve your chances in the SMP. So could following TRP get me laid? Maybe. Would it make my daily life better? Somehow, not really sure about that. Would it make me a "better person"? TRP doesn't even concern itself with that question, in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 09:57 AM
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That at my age absolutely nothing is going to "just happen" to me romantically. I would probably have to fully commit to the search to have even the slightest chance of ever getting a girlfriend. Though I'm not sure it's even worth it. And also that I absolutely hate the job I wasted years studying for. Either of the two, but probably the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 06:19 PM
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We think that men who claim to be "nice guys" on the internet, usually aren't nice at all, and thus criticizing them on that. I think this is exactly the thing that annoys the non-BP readers. Saying "nice on its own is not sexually attractive" is perfectly fine and understandable, but for some reason BP has to make that extra step, implying that if the guy in question was actually nice he wouldn't struggle so much. That's the difference between RP and BP in my mind: RP basically says it's his fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 07:03 AM
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Guess I don't care much for masculinity. Anyway, now that I think about it, I've never been rejected in my life, so maybe I should rectify that someday.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 09:30 AM
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What's with the condescension? Not everyone views socializing as a pleasant pastime rather than a daunting task, at least at the outset, can you imagine that? Looking down on such people is not particularly helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/17 07:43 AM
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To be fair, you are being a bit hard on the incels. People in general suck at self improvement and at sticking to it. It's really easy to get content and complacent. For instance, there is a guy at my job who has been complaining for like 5 years about how he wishes his English was as good as mine and yet he has done absolutely nothing about it. Same deal with fitness. "I wanted to be fitter so I did some pushups for a few weeks but it didn't change anything so I stopped it". And these are super…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 12:55 PM
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By the way, I know you probably mean actual escorts, but walking through the red light district of Amsterdam was surprisingly awkward and uncomfortable. It's a sad life to live when the sight of semi naked women offering themselves to you doesn't make you happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/17 06:35 AM
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Nonlinear spectroscopy and experiment, theory probably would've driven me insane long ago. Becoming a scientist was a really dumb move on my part because it turned out to be a really poor fit for my personality - I love short term tasks with practical, observable and realistic results, but my job is vague, self-contained and bureaucratic. At least experiment retains some semblance of practicality. TRP kind of makes sense in theory, but the problem is that I do not have enough experience to back …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/17 01:50 AM
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I'm a physicist. Of course I have, that's where I got my reddit username from. It's really a classic, though my musical tastes got a bit mellower over the years and now I listen to less metal than I used to and mostly stick to more conventional prog rock.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 11:32 PM
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27, never been on a date. The lack of experience definitely shaped the way I view women - it didn't make me bitter or anything, it just made even the thought of any kind of romantic involvement completely unimaginable, so now women are just generic people to me. Though, to be fair, my line of work makes my daily life almost completely women free anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/17 07:16 PM
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Not these threads in particular, but discovering "pills" has given me nothing whatsoever other than pure intellectual enjoyment. Well, technically, since that moment I've started strength training and eventually lifting, but I'm pretty sure those things were unrelated. Besides, it didn't really improve my life (though it's only been around 6 months). The problem with PPD in my case is that blue posters are mostly dismissive and often deliberately unhelpful or trolly so they have little practical…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/17 01:16 PM
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Not really, I guess. Somehow, none of the people I work with are actual friends with each other outside work - I guess, because we all belong to different generations. Most friendships here are usually leftovers from university - after all, it's not like there are many places to hire scientists from in an average city.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 09:13 PM
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Goals? I guess, a bit of both (though, how do you even define "improving social skills"?), but at this point I'm not even sure. I was always okay at "proximity" friendships, so my life was sort of normal while growing up (apart from zero dating experience), but I could never get invested enough in other people to maintain those friendships, so I eventually drifted apart from them and now neither my job nor my few hobbies provide me with any social interaction. Whatever social skills I had probab…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 08:42 PM
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Do people actually approach and talk to strangers? "Talk to everyone you see" is reddit's go-to advice when it comes to improving social skills, but it bugs me that I've never seen anyone actually do it in real life (outside of long commutes and basic "how do I get to X?" questions). In fact, it seems like people typically don't even acknowledge each other, let alone converse. Is that advice some sort of an American thing that is less applicable to other countries?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/17 06:25 AM
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I don't know about that. I've seen the "going outside is depressing because there are couples everywhere and it constantly reminds of something I could never have" complaint quite a few times on the FA sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 05:13 PM
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I mean, it's easy to understand that looks aren't be-all and end-all on an intellectual level, but much harder to internalize that belief. As a guy, I feel that your appearance is not acknowledged at all unless you are an outlier on either side of the spectrum, so once the initial self-doubt as there, it's hard to find evidence to shake it off. It also doesn't help that it's difficult to assess your own looks calmly and without bias. I think the "genetic lottery" part is not about here and now, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/17 08:11 AM
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To be honest, "be your best self" is not really advice either. It sounds cool and is undeniably correct, but it is way too vague to be actually useful. Besides, most people have pretty okay lives without fully committing to self improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/17 07:41 PM
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Honestly, I don't really mind the message, it's mostly the over the top wording and generalizations that amuse me. Like "not all attention is wanted" would be fine, but "male attention is worthless, period" sounds needlessly edgy and dishonest. Similarly, desiring a good partner is reasonable, but the way it is stated often conjures up an image of a woman sitting on her SMV throne with a list of boxes to check and passing judgement on the applicants lining up to bask in her glory.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/17 06:46 PM
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I find it funny how reading RP is supposed to turn men into misogynists, but actually it's the PPD posts from women about men that make me question my sanity the most. Apparently, male attention is about as useful as "free bags of feces" and about as fun as "getting hit on by gay guys", and nearly every topic boils down to "what do men even bring to the table". Do women really have so much casual disdain for the unsuccessful men? Do they really view relationships so transactionally? It's kind of…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 06:40 PM
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Am I missing something? The way you worded this basically equates being a virgin with having unattractive factors. In other words, a guy can't be a virgin unless there is something wrong with him. Hence lower value.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 07:29 AM
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Do not think too much? I mean, I'm an introvert without friends, I spend weeks inside my head, so you might as well just ask me to stop breathing. That said, I feel like I am more afraid of success than rejection, if that makes sense. At least after rejection I'll just say "told you so" to myself and retreat further into my shell, while not being rejected will take me into completely unfamiliar territory, require further effort and make me realize just how behind I am in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/17 07:17 AM
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I'm not sure how you are supposed to argue against a statement like this - it's not like you can become a foot taller and see the difference. Anecdotally, my height is slightly above average (185 cm), but it doesn't affect my life in the slightest outside of practical things like sports, it doesn't make me confident or attractive. In fact, it is so meaningless in daily life that I literally stopped noticing how tall other people are - it doesn't even register on my radar unless I force myself to…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/17 09:35 AM
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Isn't that exactly his point? If you start from average and then work on yourself to become attractive, you already cease to be average. However, women are kind of attractive by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 01:24 PM
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Is 2-3 approaches a day supposed to be the minimal effort? Because to me just cold approaching itself seems like an impossible task, I can't even imagine having to do it consistently for a period of time. It doesn't help that I've never seen anyone succeed with a cold approach either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/17 06:33 AM
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Not really an incel, but whatever. I think it depends on the approach. If she asked me out on a date directly, I would most likely say yes and see where it goes (though the burden of escalation would probably still be on her as dating is such an alien concept to me). If instead she tried to indicate in some roundabout or even forward manner that she would be receptive to me asking her out, I would probably shrug it off and go my own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 06:49 AM
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I'm not sure why you associate being "Omega" purely with physical features. I can see how it could make one settle on being beta, but omega is closer to a state of mind. I mean, I'm slightly taller than average and reasonably fit, but I'm still omega by definition (few friends, zero contact with opposite sex). At this point, even if by some magic I became a literal Greek god (or, oppositely, the proverbial overweight neckbeard) overnight, it probably wouldn't make a lick of difference in my dail…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/17 05:28 PM
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