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Apparently, you cannot read either.
/r/BlackPillScience12/10/24 04:48 AM
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Presumably because you cannot read.
/r/BlackPillScience12/10/24 03:58 AM
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Survey
/r/BlackPillScience12/10/24 03:11 AM
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You quoted from an overview that doesn’t apply to XX males with testes rather than ovotestes and that quote also means the opposite of your argument: a minority of XX with ovotestes had traces of a Y! A small minority! Why or on what possible basis would that indicate the others have a Y? Because the mutation(s) makes the Y less detectable, thus, only a minority of the tests actually detected it. Here is another one. Please… explain what deficit in testing you think there could possibly be in th…
/r/BlackPillScience16/09/24 10:08 AM
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Huh? What do you mean significance across the population? Either it is an impossibility or it isn’t. If it’s not, and that is absolute fact. The sample size is so low relative to the human population that the observations could very likely be due to incomplete testing. Also… You didn’t read the studies well because the XX individuals had testes and not ovotestes… and the explanation of intersex variations in the overview does not implicate anything about individuals in question. I literally dire…
/r/BlackPillScience16/09/24 06:10 AM
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What?! You have got to be kidding. I gave you five case studies. There are more but that’s more than enough. No, five case studies is nowhere near enough to support that your initial claim has significance across a broad population. The fact they can and do occur is precisely why your reasoning fails. Also.. What the hell? They aren’t testing errors. As I already quoted, a minority of patients with ovotesticular DSD showed Y chromosome presence. Considering the very small sample sizes, it is lik…
/r/BlackPillScience16/09/24 05:21 AM
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45 X males: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1684785/ Sample of size of 2, and: Of the two 45,X males studied, one was found to be a low-grade mosaic with a 46,XY karyotype in less than 3% of fibroblasts; all lymphocytes karyotyped were 45,X. Fibroblast DNA from this individual was found to contain Y-specific repeated sequences in 1%-3% the amount observed in the father, consistent with mosaicism for a 46,XY cell line. 46 XX with no SRY but male: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti…
/r/BlackPillScience16/09/24 03:23 AM
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Source?
/r/BlackPillScience15/09/24 11:50 PM
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Source?
/r/BlackPillScience15/09/24 11:50 PM
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The presence of a Y chromosome is binary. https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/1bjlykr/in_finland_684_of_men_completely_agreed_that/kw5ajlz/
/r/BlackPillScience14/09/24 08:50 PM
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Correct link: https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/12362 The survey was flawed because they apparently included "bisexual" women in the "lesbian" category despite having a separate "bisexual" category: Two-thirds of lesbian women (67.4%) reported having only female perpetrators of intimate partner violence
/r/BlackPillScience05/09/24 12:35 PM
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(and more willing to enter relationships), whilst men aren't? This isn't well-supported by the data.
/r/BlackPillScience05/06/24 07:45 PM
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The correct link to the census report: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/divorce/bulletins/divorcesinenglandandwales/2019
/r/BlackPillScience05/06/24 06:23 AM
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https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/1bjlykr/in_finland_684_of_men_completely_agreed_that/kw5ajlz/
/r/BlackPillScience04/05/24 07:26 AM
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I was referring to peer-reviewed research.
/r/BlackPillScience29/04/24 10:45 PM
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"How to be an intersex ally" is not a scientific discussion. Furthermore, the page has no references.
/r/BlackPillScience29/04/24 10:24 PM
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https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/1bjlykr/in_finland_684_of_men_completely_agreed_that/kw5ajlz/
/r/BlackPillScience29/04/24 07:50 PM
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You are suggesting that women with gonorrhea are less likely to go to a clinic than men with gonorrhea, therefore clinic data would underestimate the prevalence of gonorrhea among women compared to men.
/r/BlackPillScience23/04/24 03:31 PM
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That would mean that clinic data would underrepresent the amount of women with STDs.
/r/BlackPillScience08/04/24 07:23 AM
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The overall prevalence rates are only comparable under all age groups and homosexual activity is not accounted for. Gonorrhea was specifically chosen because its prevalence does not seem to be as skewed by anal sex as other STDs (HIV). https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/1boo69h/at_any_point_in_time_during_2018_in_the_united/kwq8drg/
/r/BlackPillScience08/04/24 06:00 AM
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High school students can be 18 and under 18.
/r/BlackPillScience31/03/24 12:30 AM
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Yes, the raw data would typically come from incidents collected at clinics (unadjusted). The OP study seems to adjust based on asymptomatic predictions. Ordinary differential equation–based modeling, assuming equilibrium and static incidence, was used to estimate both gonococcal prevalence and incidence.20 Case reports were related to prevalence and incidence via population size, case reporting fraction, proportion of new infections that are asymptomatic, and rates of background screening, natur…
/r/BlackPillScience31/03/24 12:26 AM
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The OP study seems to adjust based on asymptomatic predictions. Raw incident data, however, would not. Ordinary differential equation–based modeling, assuming equilibrium and static incidence, was used to estimate both gonococcal prevalence and incidence.20 Case reports were related to prevalence and incidence via population size, case reporting fraction, proportion of new infections that are asymptomatic, and rates of background screening, natural clearance, and symptomatic treatment seeking.1,…
/r/BlackPillScience31/03/24 12:23 AM
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if women are more likely to contract it from PIV sex than men https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/1boo69h/at_any_point_in_time_during_2018_in_the_united/kwsbdt2/ and are more likely to be asymptomatic and thus not seek treatment for it. Meaning that the prevalence of gonorrhea in women is higher than what is reported.
/r/BlackPillScience30/03/24 03:41 PM
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No, it suggests that the majority of women are in monogamous relationships with slightly older men (1-5 years older) which also suggests that young males ages 18+ would be having sex with females under age 18 (who would not be included in the young women data).
/r/BlackPillScience30/03/24 03:37 PM
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Yes. This suggests that gonorrhea prevalence may be underreported in women.
/r/BlackPillScience30/03/24 03:34 PM
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Well, there’s the age of consent. That contains it a bit. If it’s 18, guys over 18 will usually not be sleeping with with a minor because they don’t want to go to jail for statutory rape. The age of consent in most states is 16 and there are close age exemptions. Your data is a bit old. Gen Z are having less sex and start having sex at a much later age than people did in 2011. This was found in surveying up through 2015 (the data you linked were from 2016-2018).
/r/BlackPillScience28/03/24 10:59 PM
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The average girl loses their virginity around 18 now, so not so much. By age 18, 55% of men and women had reported already having sex. This was found in surveying up through 2015 (the data you linked were from 2016-2018). https://i.imgur.com/Zhfen4T.png Ofc that’s relevant. Because if it’s saying anything about gender dynamics overall it has to be a significant chunk of the younger population. No, because gonorrhea is a comparatively rare STD. Its prevalence can be used to make predictions about…
/r/BlackPillScience28/03/24 12:16 AM
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I agree that sex is not closed between that age group, which also suggests that young males ages 18+ would be having sex with females under age 18 (who would not be included in the young women data). Again, the rarity of gonorrhea is not relevant to the OP; the discrepancy in its prevalence between the sexes is.
/r/BlackPillScience27/03/24 11:57 PM
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But if you ground this a bit and look away from the very small percent of the population that actually gets chlamydia? The OP was about gonorrhea rather than chlamydia (chlamydia is substantially more common but is still disproportionately more common in young women than young men). The rarity of gonorrhea is not relevant to my comment; the discrepancy in its prevalence between the sexes is. Ofc a bit more women than men will be having sex. We know in this age group more women than men have foun…
/r/BlackPillScience27/03/24 11:25 PM
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If you could find a citation for an estimate of numbers of clients that female sex workers have and/or maybe a survey of the numbers of clients they report The implication is that "sex workers" are having multiple male sexual partners and the public health survey indicates the percentage of women with at least three annual sexual partners. and also another citation showing an estimate or a survey of how often they have unprotected sex this would make your argument faaar better. If they're having…
/r/BlackPillScience27/03/24 10:52 PM
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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2767066 This shows that in the under-25 age group, ~30% of men reported no sex in the past year, compared to ~20% of women; ~50% of women had weekly sex, compared to ~38% of men; and over twice as many men than women reported at least three annual sexual partners. Excluding homosexual activity would likely further the discrepancy in sexual activity between men and women. Considering that women also eclipse men in sexual activity in the…
/r/BlackPillScience27/03/24 10:12 PM
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Different STDs transmit differently. The rate of gonorrhea is much higher in men who have sex with men than in heterosexuals. In heterosexuals, the primary sites of gonorrheal infection are the urethra in men and cervix in women (4). Most heterosexual men with urethral infection become symptomatic and quickly seek healthcare (after a few days) (5). About half of women are asymptomatic, and thus they take longer to seek healthcare than men (5,6). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC51762…
/r/BlackPillScience27/03/24 05:20 PM
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HIV is obviously higher in males because gay sex is a much bigger risk factor than straight sex. Higher risk of transmission. Wouldn't this also be the case for gonorrhea and chlamydia? https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/1boo69h/at_any_point_in_time_during_2018_in_the_united/kwq8drg/ In fact studies on male vs female sex partners over a year? Little variation. There are a bit more men not having sex at all. But not a huge difference. Then most women are either having sex with the…
/r/BlackPillScience27/03/24 12:43 PM
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That link says women are roughly twice as likely to contract HIV from a single sexual contact, yet the OP study reports that men have 3 to 8 times the prevalence. Again, I believe that homosexual activity skews the male data for many STDs. I understand how anatomical differences can affect the STD transmission rate for each sex, but any research that uses prevalence data to predict the transmission rate is inherently flawed because it assumes that heterosexual activity is evenly distributed betw…
/r/BlackPillScience27/03/24 12:09 PM
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It seems to vary per STD because men have a much higher rate of HIV prevalence. However, some of those discrepancies could be skewed by homosexuals.
/r/BlackPillScience27/03/24 11:03 AM
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https://journals.lww.com/stdjournal/fulltext/2021/04000/sexually_transmitted_infections_among_us_women_and.2.aspx It is worth noting that homosexual men are more likely to have gonorrhea than heterosexual men (30.31% vs. 19.83%). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6893897/ The rate of gonorrhea is much higher in men who have sex with men than in heterosexuals. In heterosexuals, the primary sites of gonorrheal infection are the urethra in men and cervix in women (4). Most heterosexual men with ureth…
/r/BlackPillScience27/03/24 12:29 AM
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Sex, as in the categories of male/female, refers to observable traits (morphology) designed to produce either large or small gametes. It is also a trait in itself that determines whether a reproducing organism produces male or female gametes. SRY is part of the genotype, so it is not sex or a trait. It is the instruction set - that determines (initiates the pathway) towards either phenotype. Yes, which is why it's worth including in the definition of sex.
/r/BlackPillScience26/03/24 11:52 PM
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Sex is the trait that determines whether a sexually reproducing organism produces male or female gametes. In humans, not all individuals will produce gametes (due to rare mutations). It is distinguished by SRY (in humans).
/r/BlackPillScience26/03/24 12:54 AM
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Sex is defined by gamete type. Gametes have a strong correlation with sex but are not a fully comprehensive method of definition due to rare mutations. Both the determination and definition of sex depend on the presence of SRY.
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 02:28 PM
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Binaries are constructs. Yes, and the classification of sex is a binary construct. Absolutes do not exist on nature. Unless you have evidence suggesting otherwise, SRY is absolute in humans. There are people with XXY chromosomes as well. Consider reading and engaging with the link I've provided you twice now, rather than being, as you would say, "dumb" or "obtuse." Biological anthropologists who study this will disagree with you. Feel free to link their sources.
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 04:30 AM
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Sex is an inherently binary determination (for humans) on the basis of SRY. The existence of a spectrum of conditions within each sex does not negate the inherent binary nature of the classification. https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/1bjlykr/in_finland_684_of_men_completely_agreed_that/kw5ajlz/
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 04:22 AM
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Yes, it still seems like a dodge. Saying no will not convince me otherwise I'm not planning on convincing you otherwise. Why present it if it has some level of relevance? I didn't. You kept hammering that point home. Where? It was relevant because it was the very title of the post. Clearly not, as the title of the post makes no mention of opinions on genders and/or social justice attitudes. Okay, so maybe women are more familiar with intersex people? Lol Intersex individuals fall exclusively wit…
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 04:08 AM
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This seems like such a dodge because it is at odds with the entire line of reasoning you have been making in the rest of the thread. No. How so? I think the factoid presented in the post heading has nothing to do with social justice attitudes, as you have argued throughout this thread. Once again, the OP title was never meant to be presented with intended relevance to social justice attitudes. I was simply explaining to you why the authors may have included that question in their study about soc…
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 03:55 AM
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Then why get so hung up on this fact as if it means something? You are the one hung up on something that has no relevance to the OP. Why continue to beat the point home about social justice attitudes? I'm not. I'm simply suggesting why the authors included this particular question in their study, despite them not using it in their analysis, and also despite the reasoning not being relevant to the OP. It is pointless because that bit of data does not have anything to do with men and women's perce…
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 03:43 AM
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No, I was never particularly interested in the study as a whole which was why I posted this specific part of the questionnaire rather than the intending findings of the study.
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 03:29 AM
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I was more interested in how men and women would respond to that particular question than the intended findings of the study as a whole.
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 03:22 AM
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I wasn't posting it as a defining feature. I was simply sharing data from the questionnaire within this study.
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 03:10 AM
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It was one of 26 questions so its impact on the results was most likely limited. None of the other questions seem to be based on biological fact and are probably better suited to assessing social justice attitudes.
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 03:08 AM
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I predict that there is still a (notable) negative correlation between agreement with there being "two biological sexes" and social justice attitudes, but I agree that the model could have been improved by asking about gender rather than sex.
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 03:02 AM
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Are you arguing that this particular question simply tests the participant's knowledge of a biological fact rather than more specifically assessing social justice attitudes? If so, I understand your point now.
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 02:56 AM
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No, I'm simply not understanding your argument.
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 02:53 AM
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Intersex individuals exist within either sex (male or female). There aren't more than two sexes (at least in humans). https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/1bjlykr/in_finland_684_of_men_completely_agreed_that/kw5plg9/
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 02:50 AM
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How?
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 02:45 AM
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The implication is that people less likely to agree that there are "two biological sexes" would score higher in social justice attitudes. I don't understand why that would be an issue for the questionnaire.
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 02:43 AM
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Yes, I think the intention was to assess the participant's ability to distinguish between the two to assess their social justice attitudes.
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 02:39 AM
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You're suggesting that the questionnaire poorly assessed social justice attitudes?
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 02:36 AM
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What you're suggesting doesn't seem relevant to their intended study model.
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 02:34 AM
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I don't understand your point. The study was meant to assess "social justice attitudes," as per the abstract.
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 02:08 AM
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First of all, sex and gender are not the same. Gender was likely not asked in the questionnaire for the purpose of the study. Second, intersex is a thing. https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/1bjlykr/in_finland_684_of_men_completely_agreed_that/kw5ajlz/
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 01:26 AM
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That may have defeated the purpose of the study.
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 01:25 AM
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Read the link you just responded to.
/r/BlackPillScience25/03/24 01:22 AM
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The questionnaire apparently didn't discuss genders.
/r/BlackPillScience24/03/24 03:59 PM
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https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/1bjlykr/in_finland_684_of_men_completely_agreed_that/kw5ajlz/
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 05:05 AM
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twice as many white attendees than black attendees are turned away from baseball games Provided your example, twice as many black attendees will be turned away from baseball games than white attendees, assuming that baseball game is representative of all baseball games. that 2x the number of white people than black people got turned away No, 2.5x as many black people were rejected than white people at that particular baseball game. They're referred to as "people" rather than "attendees" in that …
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 05:00 AM
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unless you have specified that you are here referring to chromosomal sex. "Chromosomal sex" is a redundancy because sex is an inherently chromosomal determination.
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 04:41 AM
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It's proven that humans have 3 sexes. The 3rd is EXTREMELY rare so it's not really something anyone really thinks about outside of medical science. Source?
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 04:39 AM
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This argument has devolved into a stunning case study of the Dunning-Kreuger effect in the area of reading comprehension I guess, statistical literacy maybe, I don't know. Ironic. The second statement is STILL incorrect No. population size. Adding the qualifier that they're a victim doesn't change anything Incorrect. It changes the size from victims and non-victims to only victims. we're only talking about victims Apparently you weren't when you incorrectly quoted me. by definition if you have t…
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 04:33 AM
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So, defined as the presence or absence of SRY. In that case it would be a dimorph. Yes, because the presence of SRY seems to be binary (in humans and most known mammals). However, sex is generally understood to be a more complex phenomenon than that. The presence of SRY (in humans) is a fairly straightforward determination in modern biological practice. Individuals can develop in highly sex-atypical manners, and intermediate forms are not uncommon at all. It is the evolutionary selection against…
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 03:47 AM
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Feel free to argue that with the mods. I'm just trying to follow the subreddit rules (which are roughly six years old).
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 03:41 AM
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Doesn’t change the fact that you’re reading the stat wrong, STILL. Incorrect. “Another study concluded that 30% of male and 16% of female survivors had never reported their abuse” does not mean that “[roughly] twice as many male than female victims never reported their abuse” Incorrect. It’s a percentage Correct. you cannot take these relative proportions to mean that [roughly] twice as many male victims do not report than females, because AGAIN, the population sizes are different. Incorrect. If…
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 03:32 AM
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In placental mammals, the presence of a Y chromosome determines sex. Normally, cells from females contain two X chromosomes, and cells from males contain an X and a Y chromosome. Occasionally, individuals are born with sex chromosome aneuploidies, and the sex of these individuals is always determined by the absence or presence of a Y chromosome. Thus, individuals with 47,XXY and 47,XYY karyotypes are males, while individuals with 45,X and 47,XXX karyotypes are females. Humans are able to tolerat…
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 02:55 AM
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since adolescent and adult males can’t be forcibly sexually abused by women Source? Far more girls than boys are abused at young ages, though. Source?
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 02:51 AM
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That's been the definition since 2018. https://web.archive.org/web/20180429234127/https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 02:35 AM
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Welcome to Black Pill Science A subreddit dedicated to dissecting and discussing human social and sexual behavior.
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 02:16 AM
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You’re nitpicking the semantics and using the literal definitions of what I said in bad faith to construct some weird argument that what, men aren’t assaulted at rates much lower than that of women? No, I'm pointing out which of your statements are correct and asking for sources. Also yes, you literally said that, “The original post cited a review finding that roughly twice as many male than female victims never reported their abuse,” Which you then quoted something that you thought proved that …
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 02:08 AM
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It’s funny because at the top end it does Source? 19% to 45% isn’t a literal magnitude lower in the mathematical sense Correct. but you see the disparity. I see that the disparities you quoted aren't magnitudes. “twice as many male than females never report,” I never said that. youre perhaps having some difficultly interpreting these statistics, if youre still in high school or college even try to take a stats class before you get out, it will pay dividends for you. Perhaps you're having some di…
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 01:44 AM
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Among published studies of adults reporting retrospectively on their own childhood, prevalence rates of childhood sexual abuse among men range from 1% (44) – using a narrow definition of sexual contact involving pressure or force – to 19% (38), where a broader definition was employed. Lifetime prevalence rates for childhood sexual victimization among adult women range from 0.9% (45), using rape as the definition of abuse, to 45% (38) with a much wider definition. None of these stats indicate the…
/r/BlackPillScience23/03/24 12:48 AM
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Source?
/r/BlackPillScience22/03/24 04:10 PM
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but it certainly isn’t saying sexual assault is a more common experience for men compared to women. Just look at the sample size of the survey, 2901 female, 401 male. Correct, but the sample also cannot be used to conclude that sexual assault is a more common experience for women. Therapists at eight sexual assault centers in the province of Alberta, Canada, completed a questionnaire on each of their clients over a period of 7 years. A total of 3302 participants, of whom 2901 (87.86%) were femal…
/r/BlackPillScience22/03/24 03:02 PM
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Two large studies (combined n = 5,878) set out to construct and validate a scale for assessing critical social justice attitudes. Studies assessed the reliability, factor structure, model fit, and both convergent and divergent validity of the scale. Studies also examined the prevalence of critical social justice attitudes in different populations and the scale's correlations with other variables of interest, including well-being variables: anxiety, depression, and happiness. Participants for Stu…
/r/BlackPillScience20/03/24 07:26 PM
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Methods Therapists at eight sexual assault centers in the province of Alberta, Canada, completed a questionnaire on each of their clients over a period of 7 years. A total of 3302 participants, of whom 2901 (87.86%) were female and 401 (12.1%) were male survivors of sexual abuse and assault, were included in this study. Mostly descriptive analyses were carried out on the 4 variables of concern in this study. Results Regarding the number of survivors who sought therapy, female survivors outnumber…
/r/BlackPillScience14/03/24 10:53 AM
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They can't claim it's an "independent" predictor if they don't control for socioeconomic status, which as they implicitly admit would be logical to do, but for some reason they don't. We find that physical attractiveness matters both for males’ and females’ intergenerational social mobility outcomes, but it is more important for males, even when childhood characteristics, such as various aspects of parental socioeconomic position, individuals’ health, a proxy for IQ, neighborhood conditions, and…
/r/BlackPillScience27/11/23 07:48 AM
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It suggests how physical attractiveness at the beginning of adulthood affects social mobility outcomes throughout the average reproductive window. Your initial point wasn't an indication of a flaw in the study model. However, the paraphrased title I chose for this post could have been more robust.
/r/BlackPillScience26/11/23 03:41 AM
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Did they factor in those that were considered attractive at Wave I, but weren't anymore in subsequent stages? No.
/r/BlackPillScience26/11/23 01:31 AM
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So this study is based on people judging the attractiveness of children. That's a stretch.
/r/BlackPillScience22/11/23 11:57 PM
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I would argue that being an attractive woman is actually a barrier to social mobility. The results suggest otherwise.
/r/BlackPillScience22/11/23 11:55 PM
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The correlation was positive for both sexes.
/r/BlackPillScience22/11/23 11:52 PM
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The standardized Peabody picture and vocabulary test used may provide basic scalings of intelligence among children.
/r/BlackPillScience22/11/23 11:46 PM
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Are you arguing against the researchers' use of an IQ proxy?
/r/BlackPillScience22/11/23 10:07 PM
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that's because men are allowed more opportunities than women. Even if this is true (you haven't provided a source), the significant difference between the sexes was determined by relative opportunities based on attractiveness rather than absolute opportunities. In other words, the group with the least amount of opportunities could still be affected the most by attractiveness.
/r/BlackPillScience22/11/23 03:44 AM
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Methods Using data about 11,583 individuals from the United States National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, we contribute to the existing scholarship by investigating if physical attractiveness, assessed when individuals are around 15 years old, is an important predictor of intergenerational social mobility measured after 20 years. Results We find that physical attractiveness matters both for males’ and females’ intergenerational social mobility outcomes, but it is more important for ma…
/r/BlackPillScience21/11/23 04:28 PM
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Sexual satisfaction is an important concept in relationships contributing to psychological general well-being. The present study examined dyadic associations between mental health variables, particularly depression, anxiety, and stress, and sexual satisfaction. Using data of 102 heterosexual married couples from Turkey (mean age = 30.06 years), we sought to investigate whether a person's depression, anxiety, and stress were associated with his or her own as well as the partner's sexual satisfact…
/r/BlackPillScience17/04/23 09:05 PM
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It would be interesting to see if this holds true outside of the US.
/r/BlackPillScience16/04/23 08:30 PM
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Source?
/r/BlackPillScience16/04/23 07:37 PM
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We studied the within-family relationship between brain volume and intelligence in the much larger sample provided by the Human Connectome Project (n = 1,022) and found a highly significant correlation (disattenuated ρ = 0.18, p < .001). We replicated this result in the Minnesota Center for Twin and Family Research (n = 2,698), finding a highly significant within-family correlation between head circumference and intelligence (disattenuated ρ = 0.19, p < .001). We also employed novel methods of c…
/r/BlackPillScience16/04/23 12:00 AM
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There is no definitive, reliable data that shows men are “smarter” than women. https://reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/zeph6t/height_positively_correlates_with_verbal/
/r/BlackPillScience15/04/23 08:58 PM
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Even if you removed the Uber rich and very poor demographics, this would still be true. The gap would remain. Source?
/r/BlackPillScience15/04/23 08:56 PM
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I don't have access to the full text. https://www.psypost.org/2023/03/pro-female-and-anti-male-biases-are-more-influential-than-race-and-other-factors-in-implicit-association-tests-74335
/r/BlackPillScience15/04/23 07:12 AM
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341716358_Sex-biased_reduction_in_reproductive_success_drives_selective_constraint_on_human_genes
/r/BlackPillScience13/04/23 03:32 PM
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Sexual "coercion" of any kind only happens when the partner men/women don't find the other attractive at all. So he/she feels like it's forced to please the other. I don't think the survey questions are available, but there's an important distinction between forced initiation of sex and forced sex. The prior could occur with mutual attraction and arousal. So the conclusion is: the more feminist a country is, the bigger will be the number of unattractive women dating relatively attractive men. So…
/r/BlackPillScience12/04/23 06:55 AM
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In this study, hierarchical linear modeling was used to investigate whether the status of women and adversarial sexual beliefs predicted differences in sexual coercion across 38 sites from around the world, and whether sexual revictimization operated across genders and cultures. Participants included 7,667 university students from 38 sites. Results showed that the relative status of women at each site predicted significant differences in levels of sexual victimization for men, in that the greate…
/r/BlackPillScience12/04/23 03:30 AM
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It doesn't, because a woman's earning potential positively correlates with the desired earning potential of a prospective partner and negatively correlates with her pool of candidates deemed suitable. Thus, women who can support themselves are less likely to have long-term partners. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/jomf.12603
/r/BlackPillScience09/04/23 11:43 PM
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Probably. Findings in peer review face a lot of bias even if the methodology was objective.
/r/BlackPillScience09/04/23 05:23 PM
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However, I'd wonder how accurate that is later in life Older women may no longer be financially supported by their parents or the scholarship system at the university, and they may also already have children, so it is likely that the potential for financial success, parental qualities, responsibility, etc. would become significantly more important in dating among an older demographic. However, I have no reason to believe that the isolated effect of physical attractiveness becomes less valuable t…
/r/BlackPillScience09/04/23 11:09 AM
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The publishers felt the need to downplay the results of their own study by contradicting their own survey. whereas the current study only asked about less serious forms of PDV victimization (e.g. slapping). ...except it didn't because they specifically asked about intentional "hitting" and "physical hurt" as well. did your boyfriend or girlfriend ever hit, slap or physically hurt you on purpose?” This is likely because police reports indicate more severe experiences of violence, whereas the curr…
/r/BlackPillScience09/04/23 11:04 AM
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Physical attractiveness was such a strong predictor of romantic popularity in both sexes that the researchers did a separate test in order to control for physical attractiveness. Also, after a trichotimization method, the man's independence and humor also did not predict his romantic popularity. From my assessment, the only non-appearance-based factors that influenced a man's romantic popularity were indications of low inhibition (outgoingness, confidence, etc.) and narcissism (self-satisfaction…
/r/BlackPillScience08/04/23 06:53 PM
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The direct quotes from the study...
/r/BlackPillScience08/04/23 02:01 PM
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In addition, to reduce the possibility ofdifferential victimization experiences for heterosexual and sexual minority youth, we excludedyouth who did not identify as heterosexual (10.2%, n = 4,443) or report their sexual orientation(3.8%, n = 1,641). The criterion variable for trend analysiswas PDV victimization in the past year, which was measured with the survey item “During the past 12 months, did your boyfriend or girlfriend ever hit, slap or physically hurt you on purpose? ”
/r/BlackPillScience08/04/23 01:58 PM
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Incorrect. https://reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/12dhjru/significantly_higher_rates_of_physical_dating/jfg1fjf/
/r/BlackPillScience08/04/23 01:58 PM
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None. Youth who did not report being in a dating relationship in the previous 12-month period (45.3%, n = 36,137) were also excluded.
/r/BlackPillScience06/04/23 07:35 PM
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To address these gaps, we used school-based data from the British Columbia Adolescent Health Surveys (BC AHS) of 2003, 2008, and 2013 (n boys = 18,441 and n girls = 17,459) to examine 10-year trends in PDV victimization. We also tested whether trends differed across self-reported sex. Data from the 2003 to 2013 BC AHS revealed that recent PDV victimization rates had significantly decreased among youth overall (5.9% to 5.0%) and boys (8.0% to 5.8%), but not girls (5.3% to 4.2%). Although boys had…
/r/BlackPillScience06/04/23 11:42 AM
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There's also one red flag: There are no numbers in the abstract. Incorrect. Feel free to purchase the full study and share it though.
/r/BlackPillScience05/04/23 10:11 PM
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Fair to say when the husband picked fathers for their daughters, they did a better job, Imho. Based on what criteria? Mothers may pick for genetic quality if the OP title holds true for them (as opposed to fathers).
/r/BlackPillScience02/04/23 03:19 PM
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I don't have the full text to see if there was a difference.
/r/BlackPillScience02/04/23 03:16 PM
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The information for athleticism wasn't stratified by sex.
/r/BlackPillScience29/03/23 01:39 AM
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The OP link is bogus because the data isn't from a peer-reviewed source. https://features.thecrimson.com/2021/freshman-survey/lifestyle-narrative/
/r/BlackPillScience29/03/23 12:23 AM
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Notably, clinicians were asked to evaluate the seriousness of suicide attempts and overwhelming assigned female intent to be "manipulative." Of course, there are many instances of manipulative attempts by suicidal people, but this methodology of data collection is incredibly biased. The best way to collect this data would be to analyze self-reports of reasons for attempt. I agree; that's a glaring limitation.
/r/BlackPillScience22/03/23 01:34 AM
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The Congolese average is allegedly from a self-reported study. Regardless, a regression analysis of all countries is more beneficial than cherry-picking two countries.
/r/BlackPillScience14/03/23 01:44 PM
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Source?
/r/BlackPillScience14/03/23 07:16 AM
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https://sci-hub.se/10.1159/000052434
/r/BlackPillScience11/03/23 11:08 PM
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This paper explores the role of physical attractiveness in affecting women’s intra-household bargaining power. The empirical analysis based on the China Family Panel Studies finds that physical attractiveness significantly increases women’s intra-household bargaining power. To solve the endogenous problem of physical attractiveness, we employ an instrument-variable-based regression to corroborate the conclusion. Using generalized structural equation model, we show that income, self-esteem, and i…
/r/BlackPillScience05/03/23 06:00 AM
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Correct.
/r/BlackPillScience05/03/23 04:32 AM
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That was the case.
/r/BlackPillScience05/03/23 04:31 AM
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If you had actually read before commenting you would have realized that both I and the authors already recognized that. https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/11hixqu/advanced_paternal_age_is_associated_with_lower/jatvfbe/ As an alternative explanation for our results it is possible that lessattractive men could be less successful in finding a mate and hencestart reproducing later. By analyzing the WLS data, it has indeed beenshown that unattractive men have lower fertility partly due…
/r/BlackPillScience04/03/23 08:30 AM
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The authors gave the article a poor title. The facial attractiveness metric is referring to the offspring. But it's also reasonable to assume that less facially attractive men have children later, on average.
/r/BlackPillScience04/03/23 12:59 AM
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The subject's facial attractiveness decreased significantly morestrongly with increasing father's age at subject's birth than withincreasing mother's age at subject's birth (Test of difference betweencorrelated correlations, t = 4.09, p b0.001) (Table 1,Fig. 1). In amultivariate model including both father's and mother's age atsubject's birth as well as subject's sex and year of birth, only theeffect of father's age at subject's birth remained highly significantlynegative, whereas the effect of mo…
/r/BlackPillScience03/03/23 11:43 PM
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Suicide intent data from 5212 participants was included in the analysis. A significant association between suicide intent and gender was found, where ‘Serious Suicide Attempts’ (SSA) were rated significantly more frequently in males than females (p < .001). There was a statistically significant gender difference in intent and age groups (p < .001) and between countries (p < .001). Furthermore, within the most utilised method, intentional drug overdose, ‘Serious Suicide Attempt’ (SSA) was rated s…
/r/BlackPillScience03/03/23 01:53 AM
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perhaps they don't eat meat, as it's more expensive per calorie? Yes, but vegetarians were more likely to be of a higher social class. harder to also food poison oneself Probably an important factor.
/r/BlackPillScience27/02/23 10:21 PM
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Your test and sperm count go up when eating meat and exercising Source?
/r/BlackPillScience26/02/23 05:15 AM
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The 1970 British cohort study comprises 17 198 live births occurring to parents living in Great Britain between 5 and 11 April 1970. Mental ability was assessed at the age of 10 years using a modified version of the British ability scales.13 The four subscales were word definitions, word similarities, recall of digits, and matrices. We carried out a principal components analysis of the positively correlated scores from these four tests to establish the presence of a general cognitive ability fac…
/r/BlackPillScience25/02/23 08:53 PM
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A mutation will only change a small part of the haplotype. The remaining parts will be more similar to one parent or the other and this similarity can be used to assign a parent of origin. Yes. My best guess is the parent haplotypes can also be very similar to each other so adding a third generation gives a better chance of discerning a difference. Yes.
/r/BlackPillScience23/02/23 10:42 PM
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We determined the parental gamete-of-origin for a median of 98.5% of de novo variants per second-generation individual (range: 90.3–100%) by leveraging haplotype sharing across all three generations in a family (Kong et al., 2012; Jónsson et al., 2017), as well as read tracing of DNMs to informative sites in the parents (Figure 1b, Figure 1—figure supplement 2). The ratio of paternal to maternal DNMs was 3.96:1, and 79.8% of DNMs were paternal in origin. We then measured the relationship between…
/r/BlackPillScience23/02/23 08:24 PM
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Did you note how the article specifically said "the odds of ASD was unaffected by maternal age under 29"? https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/116spku/autism_risk_increases_past_the_maternal_age_of_16/j9cttk0/ Which genetic mutations? Bc genetic mutations are all rare. Observably rare mutations are rare. Mutations are a frequent occurrence, but not all of them are substantially phenotypically observable. Something as simple as a speech impediment could be an age-related de novo mut…
/r/BlackPillScience22/02/23 09:16 AM
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Not necessarily, but commonly studied DNM are Down syndrome and autism. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0168952519301787 https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13059-016-1110-1
/r/BlackPillScience22/02/23 09:05 AM
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De novo mutations are mutations that are observable in the offspring but not the parents. The implication is that older parents correlate with new mutations in the resulting offspring.
/r/BlackPillScience22/02/23 05:30 AM
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Spermatocytogenesis is a comparatively rapid process, potentially allowing for a greater chance of mutations. It seems like the father has a greater contribution for these particular mutation types, regardless of age, so you have to compare the slopes rather than the starting points.
/r/BlackPillScience22/02/23 04:46 AM
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However teenage parenthood is associated with a worse outcome for the child overall. Source? And autism isn't that common in the first place. Genetic mutations extend beyond autism.
/r/BlackPillScience22/02/23 03:23 AM
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The number of de novo mutations (DNMs) found in an offspring's genome increases with both paternal and maternal age. But does the rate of mutation accumulation in human gametes differ across families? Using sequencing data from 33 large, three-generation CEPH families, we observed significant variability in parental age effects on DNM counts across families, ranging from 0.19 to 3.24 DNMs per year. Additionally, we found that ~3% of DNMs originated following primordial germ cell specification in…
/r/BlackPillScience22/02/23 02:51 AM
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Fair points, but this other study actually found that de novo mutations were influenced stronger by paternal age than maternal age: Graph https://elifesciences.org/articles/46922
/r/BlackPillScience21/02/23 12:59 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/116spku/autism_risk_increases_past_the_maternal_age_of_16/j9cwor7/
/r/BlackPillScience21/02/23 12:18 AM
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We used penalized cubic regression smoothing splines implemented in GAMs to model the associations of parental age with ASD.20 Models were adjusted for potential confounders a priori identified by literature4,21 or in our analyses as predictive of ASD.22,23 Model covariates included offspring sex, birth year, co-parental age, parity, maternal and paternal psychiatric history, occupational class, family income and maternal country of birth. To account for clustering in sibships, random effects mo…
/r/BlackPillScience21/02/23 12:17 AM
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The odds of ASD were unaffected by maternal ages younger than 29 years, but thereafter increased in a non-linear fashion with each advancing year of maternal age (Figure 2). Pooled ORs were 1.07 (95% CI: 1.04–1.11) for mothers aged 30–34 and 1.32 (95% CI: 1.27–1.38) for ages 35–39, increasing to 1.75 (95% CI: 1.63–1.89) for ages 40–45 compared with the 29-year-old reference group (Table 2). Maternal ages beyond 30 years were associated with a greater risk of ASD with ID, compared with without ID…
/r/BlackPillScience20/02/23 11:56 PM
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I'm not sure what you're suggesting, but the study only examined post-pubescent parents, as per the graph.
/r/BlackPillScience20/02/23 06:28 PM
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My comment was assuming that environmental factors (such as poverty) are controlled for.
/r/BlackPillScience20/02/23 06:24 PM
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The OP title still stands. The obvious point is that humans (and most mammals, arguably) breed the healthiest offspring at sexual maturation (rather than after).
/r/BlackPillScience20/02/23 03:16 PM
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Not the same, apparently: Paternal age had a U-shaped relationship with offspring’s MDD, ED, SUD, and anxiety. A very young maternal age (<20 years) was associated with markedly higher risk in offspring’s SUD, MR, and suicide. But a study that doesn't separate pre-maturation and post-maturation pregnancies (by maternal age) is weak. Edit: The trend for autism is similar in that study. Notably, mental retardation seems to negatively correlate with maternal age, but that could be explained by less…
/r/BlackPillScience20/02/23 03:14 PM
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The sample consisted of 417 303 Swedish children born 1984–2003. ASD case status (N = 4746) was ascertained using national and regional registers. Smoothing splines in generalized additive models were used to estimate associations of parental age with ASD. Graph
/r/BlackPillScience20/02/23 12:24 AM
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Probably. Longer penises also have a greater chance of fertilization after ejaculation.
/r/BlackPillScience17/02/23 12:55 AM
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Seventy-five studies published between 1942 and 2021 were evaluated including data from 55,761 men. The pooled mean length estimates were flaccid length: 8.70 cm (95% CI, 8.16–9.23), stretched length: 12.93 cm (95% CI, 12.48–13.39), and erect length: 13.93 cm (95% CI, 13.20–14.65). All measurements showed variation by geographic region. Erect length increased significantly over time (QM=4.49, df=2, p=0.04) in several regions of the world and across all age groups, while no trends were identified…
/r/BlackPillScience16/02/23 04:19 PM
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The title is from PsyPost because I don't have access to the full article. If anyone has the full article, please share it. https://www.psypost.org/2023/01/interactions-between-height-and-shoulder%e2%80%91to%e2%80%91hip-ratio-influence-womens-perceptions-of-mens-attractiveness-and-masculinity-64769
/r/BlackPillScience13/02/23 04:54 PM
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It's not a tangent that most men don't want to have sex with someone they don't find sexually attractive. Hence women most men find sexually unattractive won't get much attention. Feel free to make a dating app profile of an unattractive woman if you don't trust the video examples I linked. What do you mean? Like if a guy is pretty, charming and short, and he's having plenty of casual sex, what does that tell you? It tells me women can find you sexually attractive even if you are short. I don't …
/r/BlackPillScience10/02/23 07:37 PM
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How do you then explain the short men who are doing well with women? Substantial compensatory factors. YouTube? Really? Most men actually don't want to have sex with anyone with a pulse. Why? Well, it's not much fun if looking at the person naked turns you off. Go out in the real world, go to a party, notice which women get flirted with and who gets ignored. You're going off on a tangent. Again, unattractive women have plenty of opportunities to cheat.
/r/BlackPillScience10/02/23 04:36 PM
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The observed insecurity in the OP study is the result of an overwhelming, objective preference from the opposite sex. Not really. When you are unattractive, you don't get a lot of attention from men. That's blatantly incorrect. Examining studies isn't even necessary due to abundant dating app experiments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKmvvBelNcw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyZ8KpXOn94
/r/BlackPillScience10/02/23 04:12 PM
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Does it? It can just as well be explained by insecurity. Explain why shorter men would be more insecure than taller men. Height wasn't mentioned as a factor. Because the study didn't examine the correlation between height and cuckoldry. Is there socially enforced monogamy though? To varying extents. It's obvious that pretty women will have more opportunities to cheat. Common sense would suggest that unattractive women already have plenty of opportunities to cheat.
/r/BlackPillScience10/02/23 08:06 AM
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Cuckoldry can be reduced due to societally enforced monogamy and the availability of paternity testing. From a more robust metanalysis: Paternal discrepancy (PD) occurs when a child is identified as being biologically fathered by someone other than the man who believes he is the father. This paper examines published evidence on levels of PD and its public health consequences. Rates vary between studies from 0.8% to 30% (median 3.7%, n = 17). Using information from genetic and behavioural studies…
/r/BlackPillScience10/02/23 06:45 AM
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And as for children, studies show that 99% of them have the right father listed. Source? You listed a retracted table. Usually if something is removed from a scientific publication it means that it was inaccurate. Here, for a cohort of military officers, we show that tallness had a indirect effect on male lifetime fitness, independent of socioeconomic success. The crucial factor was not that tall men had more fecund wives, but that tall men more often had a second family. Selection worked strong…
/r/BlackPillScience09/02/23 09:39 AM
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I do not believe that male preference for female breast size adequately compares to female preference for male height. Cuckoldry is a male-exclusive concern.
/r/BlackPillScience09/02/23 06:34 AM
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The female preference for tall partners may present an increased risk of desertion or cuckoldry (paternity by another male) to shorter men. The mixed mating or dual strategy hypothesis (Gangestad and Simpson, 2000) suggests that women may cuckold their long term partner by mating with a man that has a high genetic quality (in order to produce high quality offspring) whilst retaining the resources of their primary (lower quality) partner. Whilst cuckoldry represents a substantial problem for all …
/r/BlackPillScience09/02/23 03:08 AM
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Cuckoldry is a male-exclusive concern.
/r/BlackPillScience08/02/23 07:11 AM
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The entire article is centered around cuckoldry.
/r/BlackPillScience08/02/23 06:04 AM
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Source?
/r/BlackPillScience19/12/22 07:35 AM
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You're suggesting that women have to be socialized to find arrogant, confrontational, unfaithful, muscular, tall, and physically attractive men sexually arousing during estrus?
/r/BlackPillScience16/12/22 10:32 PM
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As distant vertebrate ancestors of women possessed oestrus (see above), women's oestrus did not evolve in the context of biparental care. Nonetheless, components of women's oestrus may have been altered by selection subsequent to the evolution of biparental investment in hominins. In biparentally investing species, reproductive benefits achieved through oestrus can be, in principle, partly garnered through extra-pair copulations (EPCs). Reproducing females possess primary investing partners, whi…
/r/BlackPillScience16/12/22 09:19 PM
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It's weird how the term has two fairly distinct definitions. 1. contrary to the laws and customs of society; devoid of or antagonistic to sociable instincts or practices. "a dangerous, unprincipled, antisocial type of man" 2. not sociable; not wanting the company of others. The second definition certainly wouldn't include a confrontational man (rather, an unconfrontational man). Pertaining to the first definition, men who don't follow the rules of society can be more likely to have higher fitnes…
/r/BlackPillScience16/12/22 08:19 PM
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Did the study say that antisociality was sexually selected?
/r/BlackPillScience16/12/22 06:52 PM
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Over 20 studies, most in the past decade, show that female preferences clearly do shift. Whereas fertile-phase women were particularly sexually attracted to men perceived as arrogant, intrasexually confrontative, muscular and physically attractive, no cycle shifts were observed in women's attraction to men seen to be successful financially, intelligent or kind and warm. Men who appeared to be sexually faithful were less sexually attractive to fertile-phase women; put otherwise, fertile women are…
/r/BlackPillScience16/12/22 02:59 PM
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As per the title, the study specifically examined indigenous Africans.
/r/BlackPillScience13/12/22 04:46 PM
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The opportunities and laws are dictated by religion.
/r/BlackPillScience13/12/22 01:48 PM
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Religion is a proxy for restricting female sexuality. The implication is that fewer restrictions on female sexuality result in a higher cuckoldry rate.
/r/BlackPillScience12/12/22 08:16 PM
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The sacred texts of five world religions (Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Islam, and Judaism) use similar belief systems to set limits on sexual behavior. We propose that this similarity is a shared cultural solution to a biological problem: namely male uncertainty over the paternity of offspring. Furthermore, we propose the hypothesis that religious practices that more strongly regulate female sexuality should be more successful at promoting paternity certainty. Using genetic data on 1,706 fa…
/r/BlackPillScience12/12/22 05:58 PM
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Source?
/r/BlackPillScience11/12/22 01:36 PM
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If the study used survey data then that wouldn't matter much.
/r/BlackPillScience09/12/22 03:51 PM
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I don't have access to the full text. Realistically, the "narcissistic" tendencies could simply be the result of shorter men reporting worse life experiences than taller men.
/r/BlackPillScience09/12/22 12:02 PM
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That's because you posted a Google URL rather than a direct URL. I found it on your profile. It's a non-peer-reviewed article and is already problematic for making this claim: As no difference exists in the average IQ between the two genders, why is there a difference in the basic number of switching elements?
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/22 11:37 AM
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You have yet to link anything showing a weak correlation.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/22 09:16 AM
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Well, you thought that: Isn't it confirmed that brain size does not correlate with intelligence in humans You ought to read the parent comment.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/22 07:04 AM
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I Googled that and found this as the second link... In two datasets we found positive and very robustly significant estimates of the within-family association between brain size and intelligence. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7440690/
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/22 06:56 AM
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Is your school willing to tell you that males have larger and heavier brains than females and that research suggests males score higher on multiple intelligence tests than females? See my parent comment for more research.
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/22 06:13 AM
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The comparison cannot control for intricacies of the brains due to evolution. A small, modern computer chip absolutely has more processing power than an old calculator that's twenty times its size. Does that mean that size doesn't matter for modern computer chips (controlling for density), in terms of processing power?
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/22 04:08 AM
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Source?
/r/BlackPillScience08/12/22 03:56 AM
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No.
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/22 07:52 AM
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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/40999617_The_role_of_height_in_the_sex_difference_in_intelligence Brain mass wasn't controlled for. Realistically, taller humans have larger brains, on average, which explains the higher intelligence scores. https://reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/xo2uw3/on_average_female_brain_weight_peaks_at_around/ https://reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/y5ape1/brain_size_predicts_problemsolving_ability_in/
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/22 02:25 AM
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The preferences were relative; not absolute.
/r/BlackPillScience07/12/22 02:03 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/zbtd15/men_with_higher_physical_dominance_but_not_sexual/ I don't think you can draw that conclusion from that study: Facial, bodily and vocal attractiveness were under positive linear selection due to female mate choice Moreover, physical dominance mediated effects of upper body size, physical strength, facial attractiveness, as well as vocal and facial dominance on mating success. https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/vzmy3g/physi…
/r/BlackPillScience04/12/22 06:59 PM
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now combine that with the other study revealing that sexual attractiveness score is not a good predictor of how many sexual partners a man will have. Which one?
/r/BlackPillScience04/12/22 03:03 PM
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Many factors were considered, including intelligence and positive personality traits. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233353721_Gender_Differences_in_Characteristics_Desired_in_a_Potential_Sexual_and_Marriage_Partner
/r/BlackPillScience04/12/22 12:44 PM
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Love Me Tinder, I already said that was the title. You'll find it if you search for it. It's your onus to link your referenced sources. What you referenced, I already replied to. In your study they were clear that a hookup didn't have to mean sex. It could mean whatever you wanted it to mean. If you think making out is a hookup, you can say yes to the question. No, you haven't. The source I linked specifically refers to sex outside of relationships in addition to hookups. and that it's so common…
/r/BlackPillScience04/12/22 09:11 AM
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Searching PubMed, mostly.
/r/BlackPillScience04/12/22 08:33 AM
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My interpretation is that the lower half holds more weight than the upper half in terms of facial attractiveness
/r/BlackPillScience04/12/22 08:31 AM
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My Tinder study on a group of college students using Tinder showed that only 7% of the women had a one night stand off Tinder. Link...? Do you think this is bc they are looking for men to have casual sex with, but can't find them? Or do you think it's bc they have the opportunity to have casual sex, but turn it down? What do you say? I think that practically no women want to engage in casual sex, but a sufficient minority (in more "sexually-liberated" areas) engage in it at least once, which I a…
/r/BlackPillScience04/12/22 04:16 AM
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I have a hard time thinking that there’s no interest at all in a ‘foodie call’, rather more of an openness to give someone a chance they don’t feel strongly for. That "chance" seems to be dependent on the man providing some sort of (non-sexual) value.
/r/BlackPillScience04/12/22 04:09 AM
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I've read the study though, if it's the Stanford one. The actual question is "how did you meet your latest romantic interest?". Flawed methodology. Which is why the PEW study shows something completely different. The survey is here (I barely read through it but saw no indication of your claim). Regardless, you didn't address: Also, the original topic was about casual sex, not relationships. OLD is a major source of casual sex nowadays... But how do you define investment? Time If you want to pick…
/r/BlackPillScience04/12/22 04:07 AM
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Bc only 10% of the women are looking for a hookup Source?
/r/BlackPillScience03/12/22 05:22 PM
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It's not casual sex the way most people think of casual sex if two people are falling in love and end up in bed together. Casual sex is low-investment sex (for the man). The OP study's "apartment" and "bed" scenarios are obvious setups for casual sex. If I slept with my husband before we made it official, do you think that counts as a hookup? If he made a negligible investment before having sex then it would be considered casual sex. Of course that's flawed. Someone you went on a date with once …
/r/BlackPillScience03/12/22 05:18 PM
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So she'll most likely be sleeping with guys with attractive guys with good social skills. If you're suggesting that average women engaging in casual sex are substantially more likely to choose notably above-average men then neither I nor the OP study are disagreeing.
/r/BlackPillScience03/12/22 05:10 PM
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The last study was flawed. They asked "where did you meet your last romantic interest?" That can just be: where did you meet the last guy you went on a date with. How is that flawed? The graph I linked specifically says "How Couples Met." The PEW research report asked people who were in couples in 2020 how they met. The couples aged 20-29 mostly met offline. 75% (friends + school+ work+ family+ bars), of them 31% through friends. Only 21 % of the couples met online. Link...? I read the study. On…
/r/BlackPillScience03/12/22 05:07 PM
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If follows quite logically that since many women are in relationships and most women have 1 sexual partner or less, they are having sex with their boyfriend. They aren't having casual sex at all. The median female student over a decade ago reported at least one hookup while in college. Couples have been studied and normally people end up with a partner on a similar attractiveness level as themselves. "ending up with" =/= casual sex However, 75% couples don't meet online, but in social settings (…
/r/BlackPillScience03/12/22 02:01 PM
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The pertinent task is identifying who the average woman has casual sex with (even if the average woman infrequently engages in casual sex due to having a much lower sex drive compared to the average man).
/r/BlackPillScience03/12/22 01:22 PM
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This tells you women aren't that into casual sex with random strangers. That's not news. As the title explains, this study only examined average-looking individuals. 50% said yes to a date. That means the study shows a high success rate for the average guy. You usually don't say yes to a date unless you find someone attractive. Date acceptance can have ulterior motives, and may not imply sexual intent (from the woman). 23–33% of women surveyed admitted engaging in a "foodie call." https://journa…
/r/BlackPillScience03/12/22 10:56 AM
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Study #1 was conducted in 1978 and Study #2 was conducted in 1982. In both studies, five college women and four college men from an experimental social psychology class served as experimenters. All had volunteered to approach subjects who were alone at five different locations on campus. The confederates were approximately 22 years of age and were neatly dressed in casual attire. The physical attractiveness of both the female after male confederates varied from slightly unattractive to moderatel…
/r/BlackPillScience03/12/22 04:15 AM
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We conducted a paper-pencil questionnaire with 605 girls between the ages of 10 and 18 (average age: 15.18 years). We recruited participants based on the distribution of the population of young people attending secondary education in Belgium Wallonia-Brussels Federation. This study focuses on three different Belgian provinces, thereby allowing access to populations from low, medium, and high socio-economic backgrounds and ensuring a balanced representation of participants from urban and rural ar…
/r/BlackPillScience30/11/22 11:09 AM
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Older people aren't that interesting. The differences by sex for older people were substantial, as explained.
/r/BlackPillScience29/11/22 07:19 PM
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By ages 25 to 29, 5.6% of men reported sexual inexperience whereas 3.0% of women reported inexperience. Also: At ages of 30 years and older, the prevalence of sexual inactivity among women tended to be higher than among men, with the largest differences in the oldest ages: among those aged 70–74 years, prevalence was 48.6% for men vs 65.7% for women. These findings may partly be explained by the higher likelihood of women to be living without a partner due to divorce or widowhood and subsequentl…
/r/BlackPillScience29/11/22 08:55 AM
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Do you guys actually read any of these articles? The title doesn't mean what you think it means Yes. I'm well aware of what the title is implying, which is that "sexually inactive" women are more likely to be sexually experienced than "sexually inactive" men. "Those sexually inexperienced comprised the majority of sexual inactivity in the youngest age group (89.2% (84.7% to 92.5 %) of sexually inactive men and 95.1% (92.0% to 97.0%) of sexually inactive women); a proportion that decreased with i…
/r/BlackPillScience29/11/22 01:49 AM
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14 623 participants (n men: 6045 unweighted, 7245 weighted), aged 16–74 years, of the third National Survey of Sexual Attitudes and Lifestyles (Natsal-3), undertaken in 2010–2012.
/r/BlackPillScience28/11/22 01:25 AM
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Sex with prostitutes would reasonably be considered casual sex for the purpose of the survey. 11% of never-married men and 5% of married men reported having sex with a "commercial sex worker" in the past month.
/r/BlackPillScience26/11/22 05:24 AM
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As part of the first subproject, two questionnaire surveys (retrospective and cross-sectional) were conducted online in September 2020. The authors contracted Rakuten Insight, Inc. to collect responses from 4000 eligible participants. The eligibility criteria required participants to be male, aged 20–54 years, and residing in Japan. Note that this survey excluded older/elderly men.
/r/BlackPillScience26/11/22 03:08 AM
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I think you're failing to understand that involuntary celibacy is simply the inability to have sex.
/r/BlackPillScience24/11/22 03:29 PM
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The sex differences are more pertinent than the cause and effect.
/r/BlackPillScience24/11/22 03:26 PM
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It's a small minority and you can just treat it with testosterone replacement therapy. There are men who cannot afford TRT. But its two different things not being able to find a partner and having a partner, but not being able to have sex. In a modern context, it applies to sex. I think the older men would just be entirely baffled by incel subculture. Maybe, but times have changed.
/r/BlackPillScience24/11/22 01:11 AM
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ED is often due to age and lifestyle factors. As in men over 50 with an unhealthy life style (overweight, high blood pressure, atherosclerosis). ED in young men is often just anxiety. If someone has ED because they are trying to force themselves to have sex they don't desire? That's not involuntary celibacy. That's not respecting their own desires and boundaries. Many old men are involuntarily celibate for that reason alone. Genetics influence lifestyle factors, so the voluntary aspect of that i…
/r/BlackPillScience23/11/22 11:13 PM
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Then you have confounders or multiple explainations: *Is the unhappiness directly caused by a lack of sex? *Is the unhappiness caused by social isolation and lack of supportive friendships? *Is the unhappiness caused by the underlying reason the social withdrawal happened in the first place? For example: depression, social anxiety, autism spectrum disorders, bullying in school, childhood abuse. The reasons can be many, but they can be the actual cause of unhappiness as well. I suspect all three …
/r/BlackPillScience23/11/22 10:42 PM
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But would you really describe a man who's got ED, but an enthusiastic partner as an incel? If it's bad enough to inhibit him from having sex. What about a man who loses his sex drive? If you genuinely have no desire to have sex, then how would that fit? If the lack of sex drive prevents him from having sex then he would be involuntarily celibate. Also, some men with low sex drives would still be involuntarily celibate with a high sex drive. However, if it turns out that most of the big group of …
/r/BlackPillScience23/11/22 09:22 PM
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I see people with unattractive eye areas and eyebrows frequently, not to mention unattractive foreheads and hairlines. This also depends on the sample of individuals.
/r/BlackPillScience23/11/22 07:48 PM
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But still, the term incel is so loaded with connotations in society that very few people will answer yes to being an incel unless they belong to the incel subculture in some way. Even if it's just passively reading forums. This is a weak assumption to make when it can easily be distinguished from the simple questions I suggested. Also, I'm not just interested in incel subculture, but also if identifying as an incel in itself leads worsens quality of life compared to other men who aren't able to …
/r/BlackPillScience23/11/22 07:44 PM
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As I already explained, the ability to have sex differentiates voluntary and involuntary celibacy. A and B do not question that. A man can still be involuntarily celibate even if he claims to not want to have sex. As I also already explained, asking participants to self-identify is a poor scientific design. And lastly, that questionnaire does not ask participants whether they're involved in involuntary celibacy groups.
/r/BlackPillScience23/11/22 06:56 PM
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Source? Logically, this would depend on the sample.
/r/BlackPillScience23/11/22 06:47 PM
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Your suggested questionnaire wouldn't facilitate that test because it didn't distinguish between involuntary celibates not involved in a subculture versus involuntary celibates involved in a subculture. The ideal questionairre for that test would be: "Have you been able to have sexual intercourse in the past 6 months?" "Have you been involved in an online involuntary celibacy group in the past 6 months?"
/r/BlackPillScience23/11/22 06:11 PM
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So you're suggesting that the study model should have distinguished between involuntary celibates not involved in a subculture versus involuntary celibates involved in a subculture? At that point, the test would be for the subculture rather than involuntary celibacy.
/r/BlackPillScience23/11/22 07:46 AM
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My interpretation is that the lower half holds more weight than the upper half in terms of facial attractiveness, but the authors failed to show all of the facial examples used (the fifty examples could have been skewed by abnormally unattractive lower halves).
/r/BlackPillScience23/11/22 03:24 AM
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The median age of marriage for women in the US is roughly 29, which means that getting a large sample of young, married women is more difficult there than in Nigeria (n = 6765 in this study). Are you suggesting that this trend wouldn't be observed across multiple cultures? Logically, rates of IPV would decrease with older husbands due to men producing less testosterone as they age. Younger men tend to be more aggressive and reckless (as supported by crime rates and car insurance rates).
/r/BlackPillScience23/11/22 03:08 AM
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The question in the parent comment is more robust. Asking participants to self-identify is poor scientific design—the researchers should be the ones identifying based on certain parameters. The ability to have sex differentiates voluntary and involuntary celibacy.
/r/BlackPillScience23/11/22 01:24 AM
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Care to explain why...?
/r/BlackPillScience22/11/22 08:59 PM
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So a study model of men who are honest about their involuntary celibacy versus men who are dishonest about their involuntary celibacy?
/r/BlackPillScience22/11/22 08:59 PM
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Low academic achievement and aspirations have been widely identified as risk factors for early sexual debut in longitudinal studies (Zimmer-Gembeck & Helfand, 2008). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2946557/
/r/BlackPillScience13/11/22 10:21 AM
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With regard to the potential confounders, Model 3 (Table 2) revealed that boys (but not girls) with low educational level were significantly more likely to have engaged in early sexual intercourse between T1 and T2 than boys with high educational level (OR = 2.29; 95% CI = 1.38, 3.81).
/r/BlackPillScience12/11/22 04:47 PM
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It used self-reported data, so it could just be that low-education males were simply more likely to report early sexual intercourse. Regardless, the results are interesting because they counteract the notion that improved education delays female sexual activity. We used two waves of data from the Rotterdam Youth Monitor, a longitudinal study conducted in the Netherlands. The analysis sample consisted of 2,141 adolescents aged 12 to 14 years (mean age at baseline = 12.2 years, SD = 0.43). Physica…
/r/BlackPillScience12/11/22 08:46 AM
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I dunno what you're trying to say.
/r/BlackPillScience11/11/22 06:33 AM
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Our predictions of the partner’s height based on the individual genotype were performed using 15,437 couples where only one of the partners had been genotyped in phase 1. https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13059-015-0833-8 Provided that women have a strong preference for the top percentiles of male height, this trend suggests that taller men do, indeed, have a preference for taller female partners, which seemed to be a contentious point in this thread.
/r/BlackPillScience11/11/22 02:51 AM
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This study was conducted in Nigeria, a country in the West African sub-region. By geographic definition, Nigeria is predominantly a rural country and the level of illiteracy is high. A national survey found that the median age at first marriage for men and women was 27.2 and 18.1 years respectively [16]. Only couples with complete information on variables that were used for the generation of IPV and age difference were included in the study. A small number of cases, where women were older than t…
/r/BlackPillScience09/11/22 09:20 AM
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Both male and female observers chose significantly less fat mass to optimise the attractiveness of women’s bodies than to optimise the healthy appearance of women’s bodies. This suggests that previous studies’ findings of lower BMI preference to optimise attractiveness than to optimise healthy appearance of women’s bodies is driven by a preference for lower fat, rather than lower muscle mass. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4892674/
/r/BlackPillScience09/11/22 01:40 AM
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Well they can't be returned Why would that matter? Online reviews can accumulate for unreturnable items. and the study has been done in a very specific region with not too many people We collected measurements for "realistic dildos" designated as bestsellers for the top 5 Alexa.com-rated online adult retailers in the United States and for Amazon.com.
/r/BlackPillScience08/11/22 09:58 PM
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Size is good whether it's muscle, fat or height for guys. Source?
/r/BlackPillScience08/11/22 06:13 AM
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Maybe. This isn't an incel subreddit though, so you're making unsupported assumptions.
/r/BlackPillScience07/11/22 11:17 PM
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This is unfair. Also, disgusting. Well, that's reality.
/r/BlackPillScience07/11/22 11:10 PM
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Women are conflated with looks. Their achievements and talents are dismissed in favour of looks evaluations only. ...because achievements and talents tend to be less crucial components in female intrasexual competition. You’ll note that most billionaires have failed to secure actual love. All they’ve got is star fuckers. Yes, but they still manage to compete against other men using money (and status).
/r/BlackPillScience07/11/22 11:05 PM
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Then your argument "Taller women tend to have better options" is false. No, because being more approachable to shorter men is not an indication of access to better quality. Being a tall as a man (let's say 6'2") raises your value, but it doesn't necessarily mean your are BETTER, than shorter men. You could be a 6'2", a bum, no goals in life, no education, low wage job, socially inept, etc. Or you could be 5'8" have a masters degree, your own business, be confident, black belt in any martial arts…
/r/BlackPillScience07/11/22 11:01 PM
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They do not put it this way at all. The title is literally copied from the abstract. They contrast it with obese women, who do much poorer than obese men do. Yes, but obese men still suffer penalization. Also, the same study examines the impact of male height on matching: https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/yo5vs1/a_wifes_obesity_measure_negatively_correlated/ The idea that lookism affects men more than women is utterly ridiculous. Why would women be the main consumers of beauty p…
/r/BlackPillScience07/11/22 10:55 PM
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Matching with shorter wives is a penalty, according to the authors.
/r/BlackPillScience07/11/22 10:47 PM
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This article clearly implies that men are NOT punished for their looks in any meaningful way. The abstract specifically recognizes that men are penalized for being heavier.
/r/BlackPillScience07/11/22 10:43 PM
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Being slim is obejectively more attractive than being fat, despite this we have what's called plus size modelling. Are women going to boycott the modelling industry for not creating a short size modelling category? Don't think so. Fatter and shorter models exist, but they do not make as much money, on average, as leaner and taller models. Taller women have LESS options and it is not for the reasons you think. I'm well aware of why taller women have a smaller pool of candidates (due to their own …
/r/BlackPillScience07/11/22 10:41 PM
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Peer-reviewed science is the primary aim of this subreddit. Articles of greatest interest to this sub are those which help clarify the role of lookism (i.e., the sum biases towards one's physical appearance) in explaining and predicting various sexual and social outcomes.
/r/BlackPillScience07/11/22 10:34 PM
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Estimation is carried out on the basis of data from the Panel Study of Income Dynamics (PSID). The PSID is a longitudinal household survey collecting a wide range of individual and household demographic, income, and labor-market variables. In addition, in all the most recent waves since 1999 (1999, 2001, 2003, 2005, and 2007), the PSID provides the weights (in pounds) and heights (in inches) of both household heads and wives, which we use to calculate the BMI of each spouse, and whether a spouse…
/r/BlackPillScience07/11/22 09:31 PM
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I'm not sure that the correlations were that strong, but those male requirements certainly predict the likelihood of a less fat wife. Also, the study examined adult females.
/r/BlackPillScience07/11/22 12:22 AM
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That is like top 10%. What about other 90%? Men are strongly sexually selected for height, thus the top percentiles are deemed to be more desirable than the bottom, majority percentiles. Come on, do you seriously believe that for women <170, their height will affect their ability to find a man in the slightest? No to finding a man in general, unless the woman is an abnormally low percentile height. Yes to finding a man of higher value. How many couples do you see where the man is taller and how …
/r/BlackPillScience07/11/22 12:09 AM
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Alright in this specific industry taller women are preferred. This "specific" industry is a billion-dollar one that specifically markets toward what people (of both sexes) find objectively attractive. The thing is, men are the ones who are being selected for height, not women. Men being much more strongly selected for height does not mean that taller women are not more attractive. This is the basis of Bateman's principle (and more recently, Juggernaut law, as I already mentioned). There is a stu…
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/22 11:17 PM
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Estimation is carried out on the basis of data from the Panel Study of Income Dynamics (PSID). The PSID is a longitudinal household survey collecting a wide range of individual and household demographic, income, and labor-market variables. In addition, in all the most recent waves since 1999 (1999, 2001, 2003, 2005, and 2007), the PSID provides the weights (in pounds) and heights (in inches) of both household heads and wives, which we use to calculate the BMI of each spouse, and whether a spouse…
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/22 11:11 PM
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Discrimination exists against short women outside of the modeling industry.
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/22 10:58 PM
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The fashion and entertainment industries are marketed toward both men and women. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sports_Illustrated_Swimsuit_Issue_cover_models https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Victoria%27s_Secret_models Evolutionarily, above-average leg length is associated with higher fitness. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/jan/17/humanbehaviour.psychology
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/22 10:54 PM
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Observably, for the last century (although the average human height has been increasing) through the fashion and entertainment industry.
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/22 10:43 PM
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Do men prefer tall women? Taller women (170 to 180 cm) are objectively preferable, but due to Juggernaut law, shorter women are approached more frequently by the majority of men.
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/22 10:36 PM
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Neither the study nor I suggested otherwise.
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/22 10:28 PM
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Being tall is a requirement to do profesional modeling. Because it's more attractive. Outside of modeling men don't mind if you are shorter than 170. That depends on the man. Taller women tend to have better options.
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/22 06:25 PM
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In what world are those types of women treated worse than their bigger counterparts? Women in the 170 to 180 cm range are treated better than shorter women. Source: the modeling industry
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/22 01:35 AM
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A final sample of 172 Australian women was recruited to complete an online survey relating to height preference, height dissatisfaction, muscularity, drive for thinness, and quality of life. https://www.mdpi.com/obesities/obesities-01-00017/article_deploy/html/images/obesities-01-00017-g001.png
/r/BlackPillScience06/11/22 01:03 AM
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https://i.imgur.com/Ys1Wu2L.jpeg
/r/BlackPillScience04/11/22 08:47 AM
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No.
/r/BlackPillScience04/11/22 08:31 AM
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The frequency of sexual activities was self-reported during the in-person interview.28 Participants were asked, “In the past 12 months, about how many times have you had vaginal or anal sex?” with options of never, once, 2e11 times, 12e51 times, 52e103 times, 104e364 times, and 365 times or more in the J Sex Med 2020;17:1903e1913 1904 Cao et al past 12 months. For analysis on trends in sexual activity, participants’ responses were further categorized into 2 dummy variables: (i) having sexual act…
/r/BlackPillScience04/11/22 08:26 AM
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A suction dildo that's too long would mean its user would bottom out before being able to touch the surface (particularly when squatting or sitting). I have no idea if the dildos in the study were suction dildos though. Maybe that's clarified in the full text (which is behind a paywall). Regardless, negative reviews about a dildo being too short still influence the average length of bestselling dildos.
/r/BlackPillScience03/11/22 01:02 AM
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After briefly skimming through the site, I didn't see any clear mention of total dildo sales by sexual orientation (specifically for homosexual use). And it seems like straight men may be purchasing dildos (for female partners?). Men do in fact buy larger dildos at a higher rate than women. The graph on the left shows that dildos under 7.5 inches long are bought at a higher rate by women than men, whereas those over 7.5 are more popular with guys. This isn’t a function of sexual orientation, eit…
/r/BlackPillScience02/11/22 11:31 PM
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It kinda makes sense to buy one longer than needed rather buying one that's possibly too short. Bestselling dildos would be most preferable for the average consumer. Dildos too long or too short for the average consumer would be more likely to accumulate negative reviews, and consumers typically write reviews after purchasing and using the product.
/r/BlackPillScience02/11/22 11:26 PM
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That's not how an argument works. You're the one who has to explain why YOUR point is relevant. Ironic. I've simply linked the findings of a study without introducing any novel points. A fantasy stays a fantasy. It's not something you want to actually happen Source? Having sex with people you find unattractive, by definition, doesn't turn you on. Yet, on at least a multi-yearly basis, 18.1% of women reported fantasizing about "being raped by a man" and 13.8% of women reported fantasizing about "…
/r/BlackPillScience02/11/22 10:37 PM
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Source?
/r/BlackPillScience02/11/22 10:27 PM
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How does it not?
/r/BlackPillScience02/11/22 10:24 PM
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The study was very explicit in differentiating between kinks/roleplaying and rape. You ought to look through the questionnaire and results.
/r/BlackPillScience02/11/22 10:04 PM
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What the fuck would be the point of fantasizing about having sex with unattractive people? Compared to being raped?
/r/BlackPillScience02/11/22 09:57 PM
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The average insertive length of the compiled dildos (16.7 ± 1.6 cm) their average circumference (12.7 ± 0.8 cm) https://i.imgur.com/7chFHxW.png https://calcsd.info/ These results are very similar to those of Prause et al. (2015).
/r/BlackPillScience02/11/22 08:52 PM
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The average insertive length of the compiled dildos (16.7 ± 1.6 cm) The average girth of vendors' top 3 largest-girth dildos was 15.1 ± 0.9 cm https://i.imgur.com/aD4piwz.png https://calcsd.info/
/r/BlackPillScience02/11/22 08:46 PM
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I already argued that those factors (other than diet) are small potatoes compared to being lean. https://i.imgur.com/DzLNxBg.png https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=895442
/r/BlackPillScience02/11/22 02:55 AM
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Losing weight isn't a prerogative for individuals who moderate their caloric intake in combination with routine exercise. Your argument was that men make little effort toward their appearance compared to the majority of women that do. If true then the majority of women wouldn't be overweight/obese (like men). It doesn't matter that women may retain body fat at a higher rate than men because maintaining a healthy BMI requires very little effort (arguably the opposite of effort, which is not eatin…
/r/BlackPillScience02/11/22 01:45 AM
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Health is largely correlated with the 18.5 to 25 BMI range. I would argue that the other factors are substantially less important than a lean (and healthy) body for both sexes. The notion that substantially more women than men have appropriately lean physiques simply isn't supported by data.
/r/BlackPillScience02/11/22 12:31 AM
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BMI = weight (kg) / (height (m))² It is correct that women, on average, have higher BF% due to a higher allocation of energy toward fat production, but men also have denser and thicker bones, as well as increased muscle mass, which all contribute to the total weight (which is the relevant metric of BMI).
/r/BlackPillScience02/11/22 12:27 AM
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This argument is mostly flawed due to overweight and obesity rates. https://www.healthexpress.co.uk/obesity-statistics-uk
/r/BlackPillScience01/11/22 10:26 PM
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At least a "few times per year."
/r/BlackPillScience01/11/22 06:59 PM
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Data collection took place over the fall 2006 semester, and a total of 358 women participated. Three cases were dropped from all analyses because they had greater than 20% missing data on 3 or more of the key variables. This left a total of 355 participants. On at least a multi-yearly basis, 18.1% of women reported fantasizing about "being raped by a man" and 13.8% of women reported fantasizing about "having sex with a man who is physically unattractive." Also consider that the female perception…
/r/BlackPillScience01/11/22 07:39 AM
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Looks Money Status
/r/BlackPillScience01/11/22 06:36 AM
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Its still not a selection criteria. https://www.reddit.com/user/RSDevotion1/comments/jyq5ry/women_most_prefer_penises_larger_than_946_of_all/
/r/BlackPillScience31/10/22 08:53 PM
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I don't have any. Do you?
/r/BlackPillScience31/10/22 04:52 AM
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The information is pulled from a fairly large dataset. The WLS is a long-term study of a random sample of 10,317 people who graduated from Wisconsin high schools in 1957. It was hypothesized that more physically attractive individuals would have a spouse that was more intelligent, but that this association would be moderated by sex. Specifically, we predicted that more physically attractive women would have more intelligent husbands, but that a man’s physical attractiveness would not predict his…
/r/BlackPillScience31/10/22 01:15 AM
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Data collection took place over the fall 2006 semester, and a total of 358 women participated. Three cases were dropped from all analyses because they had greater than 20% missing data on 3 or more of the key variables. This left a total of 355 participants. The differentiation between the total percentage and the multi-yearly percentage eliminates fluke scenarios that don't occur on a consistent basis. 28.0% (10.7% on at least a multi-yearly basis) of women reported fantasizing about having sex…
/r/BlackPillScience30/10/22 10:15 PM
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No, because the study only measured female fantasies. However: https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPillScience/comments/ygba1e/943_901_on_at_least_a_multiyearly_basis_of_women/iubezyt/
/r/BlackPillScience30/10/22 01:08 AM
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With a random sample of men including, but not limited to, homosexuals, those with low libidos, those who sexually fixate on more average-looking women, and those with generally abnormal sexual tendencies (pedophilia, cartoonophilia, gerontophilia, etc.), I would not be surprised if less than 94.3% of men fantasize about having sex with a "highly physically attractive" woman.
/r/BlackPillScience30/10/22 01:06 AM
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Yes. https://cynlibsoc.com/clsology/pdf/Womens-Erotic-Rape-Fantasies.pdf
/r/BlackPillScience29/10/22 07:01 AM
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Data collection took place over the fall 2006 semester, and a total of 358 women participated. Three cases were dropped from all analyses because they had greater than 20% missing data on 3 or more of the key variables. This left a total of 355 participants. The differentiation between the total percentage and the multi-yearly percentage eliminates fluke scenarios that don't occur on a consistent basis. 35.5% (13.8% on at least a multi-yearly basis) reported fantasizing about having sex with a "…
/r/BlackPillScience29/10/22 05:42 AM
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Our analytical sample includes 38,957 students with valid information for the variables included in the analysis.
/r/BlackPillScience23/10/22 11:10 PM
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It probably isn't explicitly mentioned in the linked study. I had to use it to get past this subreddit's DOI URL filter. The dataset the study uses is here: https://pages.nyu.edu/ocsls/2010/ ...and is summarized in this article: https://contexts.org/blog/sexual-attitudes-among-college-students-similarities-between-white-black-latinx-and-asian-students/
/r/BlackPillScience12/10/22 04:38 AM
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https://contexts.org/blog/sexual-attitudes-among-college-students-similarities-between-white-black-latinx-and-asian-students/ Male chart Female chart This trend was only observed in East Asians. In all other racial subgroups, the males actually reported greater sexual promiscuity than their female counterparts. In other words, East Asians were the only racial subgroup in the survey to actually show statistically observable "sexual hypocrisy" at an intersexual and intraracial level.
/r/BlackPillScience11/10/22 09:53 AM
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https://contexts.org/blog/sexual-attitudes-among-college-students-similarities-between-white-black-latinx-and-asian-students/ The chart
/r/BlackPillScience11/10/22 09:52 AM
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Male chart Female chart This trend was only observed in East Asians. In all other racial subgroups, the males actually reported greater sexual promiscuity than their female counterparts. In other words, East Asians were the only racial subgroup in the survey to actually show statistically observable "sexual hypocrisy" at an intersexual and intraracial level.
/r/BlackPillScience08/10/22 02:03 PM
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The chart
/r/BlackPillScience08/10/22 01:37 PM
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The study measured lifetime mental disorders that likely have significant hereditary bases.
/r/BlackPillScience07/10/22 09:46 PM
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I don't like posting content with "incel" in the title or channel name as it tends to provoke outsize reactions relative to the content. At this point, the term "incel" is literally being used in peer-reviewed studies (including this one).
/r/BlackPillScience07/10/22 11:20 AM
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This is from a recent study (December 2022). In other words, Asians had a 4.2x greater proportional representation in the incel group than the non-incel group. The study participants were mostly from English-speaking forums/websites and a Western European university: To obtain a diverse sample of men ranging in unwanted celibacy, we recruited a convenience sample of 357 consenting men from various sources: online Incel forums and subreddits (no compensation), a Dutch university (for course credi…
/r/BlackPillScience07/10/22 02:48 AM
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Male sexual selection certainly restricts the average height from exploding.
/r/BlackPillScience06/10/22 01:14 AM
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Mostly a result of lower testosterone compared to males.
/r/BlackPillScience01/10/22 04:49 PM
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Daily sexual intercourse was the most frequent option (having sex multiple times a day was not an available choice). At the end of the 4-month recruitment period, 429 partici-pants had participated in the survey. Of these initial 429 par-ticipants, the following numbers were excluded for not meetingthe inclusion criteria: 3 were younger than 18 years, 120(27.97%) responded “no”to the question “Have you ever beensexually active?,”21 (4.89%) individuals considered themselvespredominantly or exclus…
/r/BlackPillScience30/09/22 09:04 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/BlackPillScience30/09/22 11:22 AM
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For clarification on the likes and conversation initiation: As with each one of our 32 profiles we only liked 150 subjects (and no others), we know whether or not these subjects liked our profiles because our profiles then had a match with these subjects or not. This—having a match or not—is our first outcome of interest. Consequently, our sample size consists of 4800 evaluations of our fictitious profiles by the subjects.Footnote2 Additionally, as a second outcome of interest, we registered whe…
/r/BlackPillScience30/09/22 07:47 AM
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The Tinder experiment was run in Belgium in 2018 (but the study is from 2022). The ages of the 32 profiles were all 23, they were all deemed to be at roughly the same percentile of physical attractiveness, and the subsets (by sex) had a similar distribution of job prestige. It also seems that all of the profiles were geared toward relationships, rather than casual sex.
/r/BlackPillScience30/09/22 07:31 AM
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A very generalized summary of the finding is: "optimal/suboptimal genetic aspects may come in packages."
/r/BlackPillScience30/09/22 06:19 AM
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The Tinder experiment was run in Belgium in 2018. The profiles were all set to age 23, and the researchers claimed to have controlled for physical attractiveness.
/r/BlackPillScience30/09/22 04:36 AM
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It's a 2022 study, but the experiment was conducted in 2018.
/r/BlackPillScience30/09/22 04:31 AM
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Involuntary celibacy and social outcast aren't necessarily completely inclusive phenomena.
/r/BlackPillScience29/09/22 07:24 PM
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Participants (N = 106, 80.2% women; M age = 21.56, SD = 5.12) received partial course credit toward their psychology course requirement.
/r/BlackPillScience29/09/22 07:17 PM
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"Have you been able to have sexual intercourse in the past 6 months?"
/r/BlackPillScience29/09/22 07:16 PM
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Incels (involuntary celibates) are a subculture community of men who build their identity around their perceived inability to form sexual or romantic relationships. A single yes-no choice item (i.e., “do you identify as incel (involuntarily celibate)?”) assessed whether participants self-identified as incels. The researchers limited the study by implying that involuntary celibacy is a "subculture community of men," rather than a state of being. The questionnaire should have asked something along…
/r/BlackPillScience29/09/22 03:57 AM
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There are no differences in intelligence between gender. In fact women are actually slightly cleverer. The question of a sex difference in intelligence has long divided the experts. IQ researchers sum standardized subtest scores to calculate intelligence in general, and find that males outscore females by about 3.8 points, whereas factor analysts derive the g factor scores from intertest-correlations and find no consistent sex differences in general intelligence. The latter finding is puzzling, …
/r/BlackPillScience27/09/22 09:45 AM
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Source?
/r/BlackPillScience26/09/22 07:00 AM
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Larger brains do positively correlate with intelligence, but with quite a bit of variance. The contents of the brain are, arguably, more significant to intelligence than the size of the brain, but larger brains have the physical capability of containing more neurons and connections. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1505913113 Regardless, the OP study has broader implications than the intelligence between the sexes.
/r/BlackPillScience26/09/22 04:42 AM
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Chart from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_size These ages, unsurprisingly, correlate with general growth and bodily maturation. https://www.cdc.gov/growthcharts/data/set2clinical/cj41l071.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/growthcharts/data/set2clinical/cj41l072.pdf
/r/BlackPillScience25/09/22 11:45 PM
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We argue that these patterns are consistent with a parasitic parenting strategy that focuses on mating while depending on others to invest in their children. "Psychopathic" males are more likely to cuckold other males. This arguably associates with greater male fitness, as it allows the "psychopathic" males to seek new breeding opportunities instead of investing in their offspring (that will inevitably be raised by other male(s)).
/r/BlackPillScience13/09/22 03:59 PM
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About this pattern, the psychologist Galena Rhoades of the University of Denver observes, “We generally think that having more experience is better…. But what we find for relationships is just the opposite. Having more experience is related to having a less happy marriage later on.” One reason, her research suggests, is that previous cohabitations may give husbands and wives experience with breaking up from serious coresidential relationships, making them more likely to head for the exit when th…
/r/BlackPillScience01/04/22 08:53 AM
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I quoted that from the WSJ article, but the actual study shows an even greater divorce multiplier.
/r/BlackPillScience29/03/22 12:15 PM
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That's a good question. You should contact the study authors.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 07:41 PM
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The more facially attractive a man was judged to be, the less likely women were to intend to use a condom during sex (r = -0.552, p = 0.007) Women showed significantly higher condom use intentions with men who they rated as less attractive (p < 0.0005)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/21 07:23 PM
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I think researchers should take variables such as health and physical activity and make a parallel research such as average couples vs fit couples. I agree, but I would also hypothesize that this phenomenon is still prevalent regardless of "fitness" (BF%).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 04:05 PM
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Do you think they're linked? Yes. I would hypothesize that male "tenderness" is highly dependent on consistent sexual activity with a female partner. 30 isn't really young though, right? No, but it's the youngest group in the study. And considering 30 is around the time most people get married, that seems to be the most important age group to look at. Possibly. It's certainly a reasonable starting age to assess. I think that menopause serves as a critical age bracket to assess too, and is someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 04:02 PM
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On the other hand, the age 30 female group had the highest initial percentage of "wanting to have sex more often than my partner" and "initiation of sex." I would attribute most of the inconsistent variation between the female age groups due to the limited sample size.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 03:00 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/kye2qx/women_rapidly_lose_interest_in_sex_once_in_a/gjftk1p/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 02:30 PM
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I think anyone who headed over to the dead bedroom page and saw how many women are on there in long term relationships and marriages that are begging for sex from their husbands/male partners would realize that this study is flawed. It's worth noting that the study questionnaire only asks "I want to have sex often – more than or same as my partner" — it does not necessarily specify who the individual wants to have sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 02:05 PM
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It's strange that you barely specified this point in your OP. What more could be specified? Why did you focus on women's declining sexual motivation but not men's declining tenderness? For starters, the purpose of the study was on sexual motivation, not men's declining tenderness, as per the first sentence of the abstract: This study investigates changes in sexual motivation over the duration of a partnership in a population sample stratified by age. Secondly, as per my comment you responded to,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 01:55 PM
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Can you elaborate? The study sample size is not very large but I'm not seeing consistent evidence of what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 01:01 PM
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“in the cities of Hamburg and Leipzig, Germany”... maybe it’s a location blip. There are two studies linked. One involves Americans.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 09:37 AM
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The birth of children did not predict declines in husbands’ sexual desire in any of the analyses. In fact, in Study 2, the birth of children predicted increases in husbands’ sexual desire. Nevertheless, this positive association should be interpreted with caution because it did not emerge in either Study 1 or the more powerful and reliable combined analysis. In contrast, the birth of children was significantly associated with declines in wives’ sexual desire in all three analyses; that is, wives…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 09:35 AM
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To be more clear, the rapid decline in tenderness was mostly observed for the age 30 men. The older male groups did not report as significant declines.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 07:33 AM
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https://i.imgur.com/WlPvRKQ.png
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 06:34 PM
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Again, if there is a tendency for individuals to be more likely to post a photo if they are attractive, then they are actually more attractive. Yes, I agree that users will be more likely to contact profiles with photos, but the underlying point that more attractive individuals are contacted first still applies. Just because an unattractive individual posts a picture does not mean that the picture is going to get them contacts. BUT women are also most likely to write to ONLY men who posted photo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 06:30 PM
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Please quote the part of your parent comment where you say that. The second part still contributes too: that people who do post photos are also more attractive. No, it doesn't, at least for the purpose of the study (yes, in reality they are actually more attractive, but that's not relevant to first contacts). From the researchers: On the other hand, those users who do not post a photo might misrepresent their looks and give an inflated assessment of themselves. The data suggest that [this] effec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 05:04 PM
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My point is that, as per the researchers, self-reported counts of physical attractiveness (photo-less individuals) are arguably overrepresented in the top percentiles of attractiveness due to individuals overrating their appearances.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:53 PM
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43.6% of men in the study did receive first contacts from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:49 PM
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I can tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:46 PM
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You did not state this in your parent comment, which potentially contradicts your point: On the other hand, those users who do not post a photo might misrepresent their looks and give an inflated assessment of themselves. The data suggest that the former effect is more important. Among those users who have a photo online, the fraction of “above average” or “very good looking” members is about 7% larger compared to all site users.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:45 PM
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A 7% increase in photo use (not even restricted to just the top 5% because it also includes "above average" individuals) does not suggest that the "top 5% added photos while the bottom 95% didn't." What the researchers said about misrepresenting their looks contradicts your point due to individuals self-inflating their reported appearance, which would imply that photo-less individuals are possibly overrepresented in the top percentiles of attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:03 PM
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but women almost never initiate contact on dating apps. But when they do, these were the results based on percentiles of attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 03:53 PM
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Not according to this study. Income and education also affected the contact process, however: Outcomes are strongly increasing in measured looks. In fact, the looks ratings variable has the strongest impact on outcomes among all variables used in the Poisson regression analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 03:52 PM
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It's also more likely that the most attractive people are the ones who post photos, so the top 5% added photos while the bottom 95% didn't. The researchers didn't indicate that this was the case (they would technically be able to if it were). Even if that was the case, I'm not sure why that would significantly affect the study outcome, since they would still be the most attractive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 03:46 PM
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If what you're saying is true, it's possible that online dating has removed an apparent stigma women face when approaching men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 07:50 AM
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Nothing as specific as this one, as far as I'm aware.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 07:35 AM
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I'm not disagreeing with that, but are you arguing that women are shamed for contacting men in online dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 07:33 AM
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and are shamed for doing so For sending an introductory email to a man after viewing his online profile? Why should a woman risk initiating sexual contact with a lesser dude when he will likely do that for her, anyway? If she's going to take that risk she might as well aim for the top. That's the crux of the sexy son hypothesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 07:27 AM
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The higher rate of condom resistance tactics in men than women is not particularly surprising because condoms limit sexual pleasure more significantly for men. Further, the more attractive a man was judged to be, the less likely women were to intend to use a condom during sex (r = -0.552, df = 478, p = .007). versus Furthermore, the more attractive a woman was judged to be, the less likely men were to intend to use a condom during sex, Embedded Image (r=−0.785, df=18, p<0.0001). The men's survey…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 04:15 AM
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But it wouldn't explain that men do it too in a similiar tendency, although in even higher rates You're referring to men forgoing condom usage with a more sexually attractive partner? It's worth noting that the average man has less sexual access to a woman of high genetic quality than the average woman does to a man of high genetic quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 03:04 AM
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Maybe not, but that depends on the woman and the quality of man she's going/about to have sex with. That still doesn't change women's innate submissiveness/sexual urgency/permissiveness toward men of high genetic quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 01:49 AM
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Why would such a hypothetical woman just not go off the pill then? She would. That's what I was suggesting. This is like the most complicated and illogical way of getting pregnant with a suddenly found mate lmao If she was on the pill prior to meeting said man then she would obviously stop taking it if she wanted to get pregnant... Then again a larger and larger amount of people come to their senses and just get IUDs IUDs do not provide an easy on/off switch for fertility. If we're going to talk…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 01:48 AM
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I already mentioned in my previous post that: The CDC's National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey defines "rape" similarly to the Justice Department—as forced penetration of a person's body: Rape is defined as any completed or attempted unwanted vaginal (for women), oral, or anal penetration through the use of physical force (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threats to physically harm, and includes times when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or pass…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 01:41 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/k9yyxt/young_women_are_less_likely_to_intend_to_use_a/gf86hbo/ But yes, using real men rather than pictures would be a preferred method. However, that would have increased the cost and limited the sample size of the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 12:36 AM
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Perceptions of facial attractiveness are largely based on recognition of genetic quality (facial attractiveness is positively correlated with heterozygosity, or a lower inbreeding index). It should come as no evolutionary surprise that women are more likely to engage in pregnancy-prone behaviors with men of high genetic quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 12:28 AM
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Maybe because she recently has the opportunity to be impregnated by a man of high genetic quality and/or he has the potential to pay out significant child support.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 12:22 AM
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You can't 'lower' the dosage, that's not how most oral contraceptives work. I was suggesting "dropping" the non-placebo pill cycle entirely. The placebo cycle is already inherently doing that in a regulated manner in order to have a withdrawal (but not long enough to start ovulating). But for what it's worth, lowering the dosage is entirely possible. The pills are just a systemic progestin and/or estrogen supplement to reach simulated early pregnancy hormonal levels to inhibit ovulation. Running…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 12:13 AM
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Make a post about a research and not read it through? It doesn't seem like you did. "Moreover, the fact that some women might have been using hormonal contraception, which might affect condom use intentions, was not investigated." I already mentioned in the post that none of the condom resistance tactics offered other forms of contraceptive as the reason to forgo condom usage. Thus, the rates of tactics used are not skewed higher by women reporting their hormonal contraceptive as a tactic. Furth…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 11:58 PM
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It’s been shown that questions they ask are leading ones, imprecise and vague which inflated the statistic. Do you honestly think that begging your partner for sex and then reluctantly giving in should be labeled as rape because the cdc does. That’s why numerous of organizations dealing with sexual violence and social scientist have criticized the cdc for eliciting misleading numbers. Again, if their questionnaires were kept consistent between the sexes then both sexes were exposed to the same p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 11:31 PM
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Yes, another user brought up this second study. Frankly, I am more surprised that men report selectiveness of condom use based on female attractiveness because there is less of an evolutionary incentive for a man to avoid impregnating a woman of lesser genetic quality. The sample size of that study is notably smaller than the women's though. Furthermore, in a theoretical risk-free situation, most men would obviously forgo condom use for increased sexual pleasure, regardless of how attractive the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 11:05 PM
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I don't understand what you're trying to argue with the questionnaire examples, especially if they were kept consistent between the sexes. And yes, I'm aware that any form of intoxicated sex could be considered rape, according to the CDC. This is something you are inferring women do, at no point did the study make a connection between lax condom usage with a man and the likelihood to rape him wtf. The only inference I made is that "'preventing him from getting a condom by staying on top of him' …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 10:56 PM
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Again, I'm not disagreeing with this, I'm telling you that the second study she linked (albeit having a small sample size) suggests otherwise. What you're arguing (and what I already mentioned) has a more applicable evolutionary basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 10:49 PM
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for one it defines rape too broadly to the point where many people labeled rape victims by the cdc would not consider themselves such It defines rape as being the subject of penetration, which women cannot commit on men due to their lack of a phallus (unless they are using another object...). It is safe to assume that the vast majority of the CDC’s male respondents who were “made to penetrate” someone would not call themselves rape victims—and with good reason. Yes, they literally cannot call th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 09:55 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/k9yyxt/young_women_are_less_likely_to_intend_to_use_a/gf7j4s6/
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 09:40 PM
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Because men literally don't care Actually, the second study she linked says otherwise. But from an evolutionary perspective, there is very little risk for a male impregnating a female of lower perceived genetic quality (attractiveness).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 09:29 PM
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That's interesting. For some reason they only got 51 participants in that study as opposed to 480 for the women's. In application, if a man was certain he could not impregnate a woman or receive a STI from condomless sex with her, he would most likely opt for condomless sex for increased pleasure. From an evolutionary perspective, there is little cost to a male for impregnating a female of lower genetic quality (attractiveness) because he doesn't have to bear the pregnancy, and it's likely incre…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 09:27 PM
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Can you link the study you're referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 09:14 PM
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I adjusted the dataset to exclude the virgins in the statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 09:11 PM
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The study assesses lifetime experiences, so the reported counts of lifetime sexual partners/resistance tactics/STIs should only increase with an older mean participant age.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 09:09 PM
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I don't believe that study tested condom resistance versus attractiveness though. The obvious reason for men avoiding condom usage is sexual pleasure (which I believe that study clarifies), whereas I don't believe condom usage significantly lowers women's experienced pleasure (even though 16.7% of non-virgin women reported telling men otherwise).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 08:52 PM
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The post compared to, according to their screenshots, male lifetime to female annual rape statistics. That's a typo on my part. The correct statistic is 1.1% for annual forced penetration rather than 1.7%. Women's annual reported rape frequency in the 2010 survey is 1.1% as well. https://i.imgur.com/fpYxx3B.png https://i.imgur.com/JEwqH6t.png
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/20 08:18 PM
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To be clear, the increased rate of sexual abuse among these women (if true for these particular disorders) would actually have to involve an increased rate of sexual intercourse in order to be relevant to their fecundity ratio (I'm not saying this doesn't occur, but I'm stating the obvious for the sake of argument). Provided that as many men report being "forced to penetrate" each year as women report being raped, yet a much smaller percentage of men than women reported either type of victimizat…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 05:55 AM
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Are you arguing that increased sexual abuse (as opposed to non-abusive sexual situations) would increase fecundity? And it seems odd that autistic women would be less likely to consistently take oral contraceptive (obviously some of the other mental disorders would though).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 04:32 AM
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"Fertility" could arguably be synonymous with "reproductive success." I did make a point that sexual success =/= reproductive success though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 02:20 AM
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Interesting theory. This data was from 1950-70, so I suppose oral contraceptive was coming onto the market then. But what you're arguing would imply that women with mental disorder(s) would have a higher fecundity rate than normal women, which is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 02:17 AM
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Possibly. Some people mentioned something similar in the previous thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 01:32 AM
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The study was asking about lifetime victimization from a present perspective, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 01:19 AM
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I agree that the sample size was limited, but given the nature of the study model (actual in-person evaluations rather than a simple survey), it is not surprising that a larger sample size was not achievable. I also do not believe their recruiting method was flawed. That is a pretty standard means of recruiting in-person study participants. I do not have any concrete studies specifically pertaining to sexual entitlement (other than the OP), but I may find one in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 12:31 AM
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A recent study with a much larger sample size (24,000) also connected women’s reported sexual satisfaction to higher amounts of foreplay, oral sex, fingering etc, sexual satisfaction is clearly not just related to piv sex. Link? None of that information is surprising. The study I linked still found that 27% of women have cited penis size as a reason for terminating a sexual-relationship. Again I brought up incels as an example of why the sexual entitlement of some men is criticized in mainstream…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 11:41 PM
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Your hypothesis have nothing to do what the study is measuring They absolutely do. Women who feel entitlement to sexual pleasure from their partner may be dissatisfied by their partner's penis size because penis size is correlated with sexual pleasure. Individuals who are not receiving the sexual pleasure they feel entitled to from their partner may be more inclined to engage in nonconsensual activities. whose entitlement is defined differently then what the study uses and boils over to abusive …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 10:43 PM
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Frankly, I believe that people who feel entitled to have sex also feel entitled to have pleasurable sex (and vice-versa), seeing as pleasure is the main benefit of having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 09:42 PM
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Well until you find a study that makes direct link between the two, this entire conversation is useless as it’s pure speculation based on nothing the researchers measured, but your own spin. If that's how you perceive me forming additional hypotheses and creating discussion points, then so be it. Regardless, this study still observed that "young women feel more 'entitlement' to sexual pleasure from their partner(s) than young men, and entitlement is positively correlated with sexual experience."…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 09:32 PM
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Post a study that shows that link because the study you posted does not measure that I am aware. If I find a concrete source in the future, I may make a new post. The links to studies regarding penis size and rape were hypotheses on how entitlement is manifested in other areas of sexual dynamics. The researchers clearly show that there is a link between scoring high on different components of sexual subjectivity and positive sexual behavior not negative: Yes, sexual subjectivity was observed in …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 09:20 PM
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That’s just pure speculation on your part because study does not measure sexual aggression, but the participants feelings. And feelings of sexual neglect can result in sexual aggression/nonconsensual sexual activity. ‘Better expectations’ is included in the studies definition of ‘entitlement to sexual pleasure' But "better expectations" is not necessarily covering the full extent of "entitlement to sexual pleasure." Show me where people criticize men for having the expectation of mutually sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 08:44 PM
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But were they consistent or was one sex more entitled outside of the sex act and one more entitled during? The study didn't necessarily make this distinction, as far as I'm aware.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 08:22 PM
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why else would you bring up male rape and criticism of male sexual entitlement It would bother me if a sexual partner neglected my sexual needs and desires Which could be a causal factor as to why men and women rape their sexual partner. It seems that when women force men to penetrate them they are acting out of desperation for sexual attention/satisfaction. Wow shocking news women are more sensitive to how their partner treat them sexually in the bedroom and have better expectations. It's not j…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 08:19 PM
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Instead, the study is about actual pleasure during sex. Partially, but it can also relate to the entitlement toward sexual pleasure from a partner prior to having sex, as revealed in the study's questionnaire.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 08:08 PM
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Maybe not, but according to you sexual pleasure is not the same as intimacy for men. Therefore, it would make sense that the researchers only studied sexual pleasure in an effort to remain consistent between the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 08:06 PM
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The researchers studied sexual pleasure in this section, not intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 07:19 PM
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Well, the levels of entitlement between the sexes differed, regardless of when the sense of entitlement was occurring.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 07:14 PM
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I'm not disagreeing with that, but entitlement to sexual pleasure is not strictly limited to entitlement during the act of sex. Entitlement can exist prior to the act with the expectation of utilizing a partner's body for sexual pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 07:13 PM
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the question of whether or not you are entitled to pleasure during the act is less important And what about sexual pleasure from a sexual partner in general? The study never specifically says that entitlement to pleasure only occurs during the act of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 06:58 PM
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You're making a lot of assumptions about me and the study model and study participants.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 06:56 PM
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Duh and study after study shows it’s easier for men to get off sexually then it is for women: Yes, but they still need her if they are going to experience sexual pleasure with their partner. Women don’t masturbate nearly as frequently as men. Due to having a lower sex drive in general. If a person had no ‘entitlement’ or expectation of how their partner performed sexually, they can still utilize them for sexual pleasure, their expectation in how their partner sexually pleases or performs will be…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 06:55 PM
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Women need cooperation to reach an orgasm. So do men. If the woman is not willing to have sex with him then he cannot (legally) have sex with her and experience an orgasm with her body.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 06:46 PM
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Other than for reproductive purposes, sex is had for sexual pleasure. Neither sex would willingly engage in sex (disregarding reproductive purposes) if they did not have some level of entitlement to sexual pleasure from their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 06:44 PM
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If a man (or woman) felt no entitlement to sexual pleasure from their partner then they would probably not be pursuing sex with them (at least for the purpose of pleasure) in the first place. Just because men are far more likely to orgasm from sex than women does not mean that men do not have an expectation of sexual pleasure from the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 09:52 AM
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In order for men (and women) to achieve sexual pleasure from their partner, they actually have to engage in sexual acts with their partner's body. Masturbation is arguably a more pleasurable experience than sex for women, on average, yet...According to the study, women are reporting higher expectations of sexual pleasure from their partner's body than men. Entitlement to sexual pleasure from a partner literally implies utilizing a sexual partner for sexual pleasure (as opposed to masturbation). …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 09:47 AM
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As I explained, entitlement to sexual pleasure leads to finding sexual pleasure. Pleasure is...pleasure...it's ideal for human wellbeing. I have not argued otherwise anywhere in this thread. as the researchers and the researchers they cite see women’s greater entitlement as being positive step towards asserting their sexual desires within a relationship Yes, and what about men's entitlement to sexual pleasure?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 09:06 AM
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When the behavior they are clearly being criticized for differs from the ‘entitlement’ defined in this study. They're being criticized for their entitlement to sexual pleasure from a sexual partner (even if they don't have one), which was what this study was analyzing...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 08:45 AM
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"Entitlement" to sexual pleasure from a sexual partner inherently involves sexual acts and a sexual partner's body. I'm not understanding what you're trying to argue and why you're bringing involuntary celibates into the discussion when that was never a topic in the study nor the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 08:36 AM
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Not equally, and not necessarily in the same direction. Yes, which is not surprising given that the reported levels of entitlement to sexual pleasure are not equal between the sexes. Right now you literally only have a statistical result that applies to that one institution. Yes, that is the general limitation of university-sponsored surveys, which are not uncommon study models.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 08:32 AM
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Most universities are left leaning, but not extremely so. And you're assuming that this particular university is an exception simply based on the results of this study?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 08:30 AM
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you seemed to post this study as gotcha to prove women are more ‘entitled’ There's no "gotcha"...the study literally observes that women report greater "entitlement" to sexual pleasure from their partner(s). ignoring the research very clearly define entitlement differently then the sexual entitlement that inc*ls are criticized for having. No. You're the one who brought up the topic of involuntary celibates. This post (and study) is observing the differences between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 07:57 AM
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but their entitlement to it borderlines on engaging in abusive and toxic behavior which is why people call out their entitlement and find it troubling. Are you arguing that involuntary celibates feel more entitlement to sexual pleasures than others? The study mentioned that "9% [of participants] reported having had no sexual experience apart from kissing" (some of which could be involuntarily celibate). It does not seem that the study made an attempt to exclude involuntary celibates from the stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 07:47 AM
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So basically ‘entitlement’ here is defined as being able to recognize yourself as a sexual being that has the right to experience mutual sexual pleasure with a partner and knowing what sexually satisfies you. Yes, that is the obvious implication, which is probably consistent between the sexes. This definition is far different from the criticism of sexual entitlement people have about inc*ls, where there entitlement often boils over into anger, violence and bigotry. You're describing individuals …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 07:22 AM
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Yes, the obvious implication is that more entitlement to sexual pleasure leads to the pursuit of finding sexual pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 06:41 AM
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Using this logic, that would imply that these findings are more relevant to modernized areas as opposed to more traditional areas. I agree that these researchers were testing in an environment with more open sexual attitudes (which is consistent in most "developed" regions of the world).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 06:37 AM
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A single university can have extreme variance in the social attitudes of it's students. There will be extremely different political, sexual, religious, ideological variances between different universities and the climate of a university draws different people, not even taking into account political climate of the area - such as in the US a southern university would have more conservative tendencies than one outside the south. For all we know, this university is a very sjw-ish liberal uni drawing…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 06:18 AM
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You cannot view all people as equally important if you specifically prioritize protecting/providing for one person/group over another. You clearly view that one person/group as more important than the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 12:02 PM
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Egalitarianism in close personal relationships is about sharing responsibilitoes equally and without dividing them on a gender base. And that's egalitarianism within those particular relationships, not within the entire population. You still can have friends and your loved ones. But if you prioritize them over others then you are not operating with egalitarian thought. most people don't share and in a way that it was never intended to be implemented. That's because humans are inherently not egal…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 05:29 PM
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Which would probably explain why a majority of women prefer BS Mark over non-BS Mark.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 05:01 PM
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Being egalitarian doesn't mean you aren't caring or you don't cherish your partner. You just don't do it solely due to gender roles or your average attitude towards women. It also doesn't mean that you do it. It's vague. Being egalitarian would also mean that you would not prioritize your partner over anyone else (regardless of sex), as your partner would not be superior to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 04:56 PM
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I did not conduct/write the study, nor did I come up with the terminology. Feel free to contact the authors of the study if you are concerned with their work.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 04:46 PM
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The problem of non BS Mark is that he's mostly described as what he is not what he doesn't do not what he actually does instead BS Mark is described in the same manner. You're making assumptions of his actions based on his views, similar to how you're making assumptions of non-BS Mark's lack of actions based on his views. And you keep ignoring my last points. I'm not disagreeing that this study could be more nuanced, so I have nothing to argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 04:35 PM
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He's completely indifferent. He's objectively neutral, whether that fits your subjective opinion of "neutrality" or not. This alone gives BS Mark a better impression over his non-BS equivalent. Yes, that's how the majority of women responded. Again, you seem to be within that majority based on your opinions and assumptions of the egalitarian male vignette(s).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 04:29 PM
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The researchers described their view on egalitarianism. They exhibited true egalitarianism in the study with the non-BS male vignettes, as opposed to the BS male vignettes. the doctrine that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities. Yeah, women and men are equal therefore they should be treated equally. It doesn't mean though that in personal relationships you don't cherish and care for your partner. The BS men clearly indicated that the sexes should be treated differently…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 04:27 PM
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It isn't neutral I'm struggling to understand how it isn't neutral. Non-BS Mark literally makes no indication that either sex has superiority in any aspect. That is the literal definition of neutrality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 03:45 PM
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“I take my partner’s ideas and commitments, attitudes and values with the same respect as my own because I am in a relationship with them” And there was no explicit implication that the non-BS men would not do this, yet women in general did not prefer the non-BS men over BS men, despite the fact that it was never explicitly implied that the BS would even do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 03:37 PM
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Whatever it means (up to interpretation, obviously), it's consistent between the vignettes for the BS and non-BS men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 03:32 PM
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It’s not prioritizing all women in general. It’s prioritizing your partner. Literally from the parent comment in this chain (I also summarized this is the post): Mark is a potential romantic partner [Mark is a male colleague of yours at work]. He firmly believes that people cannot be truly happy in life without being romantically involved with a member of the other sex. He feels that, no matter how accomplished he is, he is not truly complete as a person without the love of a woman. He thinks th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 03:30 PM
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Prioritization of women in general does, as the BS male vignettes describe. You ought to read the supplemental material.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 03:25 PM
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I don’t think the creators of the study actually did a great job encapsulating egalitarianism in general I disagree. I think that the non-BS men in the vignettes encapsulate egalitarianism to the tee. What you're describing in your first paragraph is not egalitarianism. Pedestalization and prioritization on the basis of sex is inherently sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 03:22 PM
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whether or not such a thing is even possible Probably not, which could imply that women will continue to prefer BS men over non-BS men. The other larger argument is that women prefer to be provided for in general, regardless of the "protection" aspect. That's an innate tendency, after all. Changes in society aren't changing innate human hardwiring.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 02:41 PM
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The most prominent trait of non-sexist Mark is indifference. The most prominent (and only) trait of non-BS Mark is egalitarianism, or neutrality in terms of sexual dynamics. You're assuming his indifference based on that, despite him being listed as a potential partner, just as BS Mark is. The study is suggesting that a majority of women (yourself included) will make that connection to indifference based on the explicitly described neutrality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 02:23 PM
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We also technically have no idea how BS Mark treats his partner. His BS attitude may or may not appropriately manifest in his actions, as the study suggests. But that doesn't change the fact that a majority of women prefer BS Mark over non-BS Mark, mainly because BS Mark seems to have the implications of an adequate provider. The main point is that egalitarianism does not appeal to women's innate expectation of providance from their sexual-partner, despite many feminists (women in general) advoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 01:53 PM
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Women in less sexist societies are less interested in benevolently sexist men. This study (conducted by researchers in the US and UK) found that, while they may be "less interested," they are still more interested in BS men than non-BS men. The harmful effects of a mate’s BS attitudes are more salient for women who strongly support gender equality, but even for them, the appeal of a mate who shows willingness to invest outweighs the perceived negative effects of BS attitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 01:49 PM
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"Supplemental material" on the sidebar. It's a 29-page document in total.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 01:46 PM
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Read the vignettes. The non-BS men are completely neutral in terms of sexual dynamics. The researchers did that on purpose (control).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 01:43 PM
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The sexist-Mark seems to be caring more because we have no idea how non-sexist Mark treats his partner except that he doesn't think that men and women should be treated differently and, well, that does make him seem completely indifferent. This seems to suggest that you would fit in with the majority of women, according to this study. Purely egalitarian men do not appear as viable sexual-relationship partners (despite being identified as "potential romantic partners") because they are not exhibi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 01:41 PM
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Sexist-Mark seems to be more interested in having relationships in the first place and I think if non-sexist Mark had any indicator that he's interested in it as well, the results would be quite different. The fact that both types of men are listed as "potential romantic partners" should indicate that both are interested in a sexual-relationship. If the control individual (non-BS) was not interested in having a sexual-relationship then the vignette should not have listed him as a "potential roma…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 01:18 PM
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You ought to read the supplemental material.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 12:51 PM
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The vignettes are in the supplemental material part of the link. It's too long to copy/paste though. I gave a TL;DR: The first type of man exhibited a traditionalist, yet "benevolent," mindset toward women; "pedestalizing" women for their "purity" and "superior moral sensibility." The second type of man (control) exhibited a purely egalitarian mindset toward women. In other words, he views both sexes completely neutrally in terms of society and sexual dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 12:48 PM
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NB that the study did use the naughty "F" word when discussing "gender equality-supportive" women, but I can't use that word in the post without it being auto-removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 12:44 PM
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You forgot to read the post and the study, which say the exact opposite. A majority of male victims reported only female perpetrators when being made to penetrate (79.2%) and involving sexual coercion (83.6%).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 02:27 PM
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They are loading for me. They're pictures of the tables in the 2010 study though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 11:16 AM
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Yes, I have considered that possibility as well, suggesting that the most valid period for assessing a woman's rape/sexual trauma would be shortly proceeding the occurrence, rather than multiple years later. Therefore, it is entirely possible that women's lifetime reported rape occurrence frequency is inflated, on average, and not reflective of actuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 03:39 AM
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Feel free to correct me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 11:54 PM
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You don't have to trust me if you don't want to. Feel free to read the study yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 11:50 PM
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I've never made that point in this thread because the data never attempted to analyze that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 11:47 PM
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It's literally saying that 79.2% of men reported only being forced to penetrate by women...therefore only 20.8% of victims had been forced to penetrate by a man. Furthermore, 6.7% of male rape victims indicated that they had been raped by a woman in their lifetime, despite the study's attempt to distinguish between "rape" and being "forced to penetrate."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 11:29 PM
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Everything above the first line was objective data from the study. Below the first line was intended for points of discussion. I have had previous posts on this subreddit removed for not offering any points of discussion in addition to the article.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 11:06 PM
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I don't, I'm just saying you really don't know enough about perpertrators (as this is a study about the victims) to be making statements like this, it's speculation at best. Forming a hypothesis for the sake of discussion (as per the intention of this subreddit) is not making a definitive statement. And you're not providing a counterargument to my hypothesis...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 11:01 PM
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You haven't shown anything that says this is only referring to female perps. I'm not, and the study literally indicates otherwise. Just as the study is not suggesting that male perpetrators are the only rapists of women. For female rape victims, 98.1% reported only male perpetrators a majority of male victims reported only female perpetrators: being made to penetrate (79.2%)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 10:51 PM
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How can a female "be forced to penetrate?" They can't. The "either type of victimization" is specific to men regarding "rape" versus "forced to penetrate" compared to women's "rape" statistics. How interesting that you assumed male victim = female perperator. I never assumed that, just as I never assumed that female victim = male perpetrator. A man can't be forced to penetrate another man? They can, as true as a woman can rape another woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 10:48 PM
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You did not include that in your post. It's included in the linked tables and the discussion. Is it not common sense to you that 1.4% is a "much smaller percentage" than 18.3%? I believe your claims regarding hypergamy are completely baseless I only made a claim about selectivity. Hypergamy is a hypothesis based on the supported selectivity. Do you have another explanation for the discrepancy? You're accusing me of cherry-picking the article yet you conveniently did not even cite the full sectio…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 10:40 PM
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I've literally been arguing that your comment of "I agree men raping people is a huge problem" is only relevant to this post if you're identifying the specific type of rape of men using their orifice(s) rather than their penis to rape. Believe it or not, men cannot rape women with their orifices (as per the CDC's definition), so the type of homosexual rape that would be relevant to this post is not even relevant to men committing heterosexual rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 10:29 PM
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Neither do I. That's what I've been arguing with you this whole time, yet it's taken you this many comments to get here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 10:26 PM
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No one’s body is FOR rape. Rapists would clearly argue otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 10:23 PM
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You keep using the word "rape" here, but you're conveniently failing to distinguish between "rape" involving a man sticking his penis in another man's orifice versus "rape" involving a man sticking his orifice on another man's penis. Only the latter scenario is relevant to this post, as I have explained to you multiple times now.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 10:22 PM
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Okay, I now understand your point that female abusers could be more consistent with their abuse and that their abuse consistently registers on annual surveys, whereas male abusers may not consistently register on annual surveys because they do not necessarily rape on an annual basis. Whereas, male predators are far more likely to assault numerous victims, often strangers. Yes, but at a far less consistent rate, as per your logic, supported by the study's data. None of what you are arguing is cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 10:19 PM
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"Nearly 1 in 5 women (18.3%) and 1 in 71 men (1.4%) in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives, including completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, or alcohol/drug facilitated completed penetration." (p. 1) This was explained in the post as an important point. There was no cherry-picking. Interestingly, although the annual incidence of rape for women and being forced to penetrate for men are similar, a much smaller percentage of men than women reported eit…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 10:06 PM
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You're implying that men are the more likely perpetrators of forcefully putting their mouth/anus around another man's penis than women using their mouth/vagina/anus. Last time I checked, the number of heterosexual women engaging in sexual activities with men's penises greatly outnumbers the amount of homosexual men engaging in sexual activities with men's penises. Maybe I'm naïve, but I would assume that male homosexual rape is more likely to involve the perpetrator sticking his penis in another…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 10:04 PM
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No, male predators also target vulnerable women. Suggesting that 18.3% of women are "vulnerable" for rape by men compared to only 4.8% of men being "vulnerable" for rape by women, using their logic. Looking at rape as an expression of selectivity is an EXTREMELY narrow view. A narrow view that is clearly indicated by this study...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 09:53 PM
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I don’t understand your argument about why this would possibly be irrelevant. Op is painting a picture of men and women being equal victims and equally at fault for rape. No, it literally is not! Did you not even read the title of the post? As many American men report being "forced to penetrate" each year as women report being raped
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 09:46 PM
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Again, there’s still a minority of female abusers compared to male abusers. The data cannot conclude that, and never attempted to, because that would involve asking participants to indicate whether they have abused anyone. If that were true then the minority of female abusers would have to be consistently individually raping more men, on average, than the male abusers in order for the annual reported rates of rape victims to be consistent between the sexes. If only 100 female abusers exist and 5…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 09:44 PM
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Please quote the full section, as you are blatantly misrepresenting that statement: Among men, being made to penetrate someone else could have occurred in multiple ways: being made to vaginally penetrate a female using one’s own penis; orally penetrating a female’s vagina or anus; anally penetrating a male or female; or being made to receive oral sex from a male or female. It also includes female perpetrators attempting to force male victims to penetrate them, though it did not happen. "It did n…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 09:28 PM
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I doubt it has to do with hypergamy, I'd assume they target people in their own group or weaker. You're implying that women are more prone to raping a smaller subset of men based on how weak those men are? I could see this being a possibility. That would imply that women are more predatory toward weakness when it comes to their rape habits than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 09:25 PM
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If you're saying yes to this sentence: If by men raping men, you mean men forcefully anally/orally-penetrating men, then that is irrelevant to this data. Then you're literally arguing a point that is irrelevant to this post. These findings have nothing to do with men forcefully penetrating other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 09:21 PM
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How about women are less likely to commit rape than men? Again, you really need to read the post and data more thoroughly: The statistics for these types of sexual victimization were in 2011, for the 12 months preceding the survey: 1.6% of women were raped by a perpetrator. 1.7% of men were made to penetrate a perpetrator. Again, as the title literally says, as supported by the data: "As many American men report being 'forced to penetrate' each year as women report being raped" On an annual basi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 09:19 PM
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I agree men raping people is a huge problem. If by men raping men, you mean men forcefully anally/orally-penetrating men, then that is irrelevant to this data. Being "forced to penetrate" by another man would involve another man forcefully putting his mouth or anus around another man's penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 09:11 PM
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So by your theory (if I’m understanding correctly), sexual assault is kind of a reproductive strategy used by women to get certain men that may be “out of their league” so to speak? I never went that far. This data suggests that women are more selective with their rape choices than men. Again, is that your view of the 18% of female sexual assault victims? Was their (far more widespread) rape an attempt by less desirable males to reproduce with women out of their league? This data cannot conclude…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 09:07 PM
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There is no “consistent exclusive selectively shown by a smaller subset of men being raped” anymore so than there is a consistent exclusive selectively shown by a smaller subset of women being raped. Yes there is. Please consult the post and tables. Lifetime female-victim rapes occur for 18.3% of women versus 1.1% over a 12-month period. Lifetime male-victim "forced-penetrations" occur for 4.8% of men versus 1.1% over a 12-month period. This is only mathematically possible if a smaller subset of…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 09:01 PM
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It’s far more likely that many men do not realize that “being forced to penetrate” counts as rape That would not change the points mentioned in the post. Furthermore, that would solidify the fact that male-victim rapes are significantly underreported. Your claim that this is evidence of “hypergamy” is just as silly and ludicrous as saying as only the prettiest and most desirable women get raped. Come on. What is your explanation for the consistent exclusive selectivity shown by a smaller subset …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 08:49 PM
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