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| 1 | What do we say when confronted with the reply...On the suicide issue, I think suicide isn't always suicide. Sometimes its a cry for help. Everyone can struggle, feel alone, what have you, but I think our culture might make women feel like their cries for help will be heard, whereas men may feel like no help is available. A feeling of near helplessness could result in suicide attempts as cries for help, whereas a feeling of total helplessness could result in more successful attempts. I don't know really, its just a thought. Suicide can be a re… | /r/MensRights | 24/04/15 01:17 PM |
| 6 | Circumcision: Babies feel pain like adults. They remember pain for months (at least). And they have a lower pain threshold than adults. Cutting is barbaric, cutting and just assuming they don't feel pain is monstrous.Thinking circumcicion is really really bad isn't unreasonable. Its an opinion, often one based on personal experiences. I'm really talking about how we talk to one another. If someone thinks something is really harmful, or has the potential to be, wanting it to stop is not unreasonable. If you then attack people unneccessarily or cynically use bad arguments, that is unreasonable. I'm seeing much more personal attacks and bad faith from one side, and that's the side who's for it. I'm also browsin… | /r/MensRights | 21/04/15 09:03 PM |
| 4 | Circumcision: Babies feel pain like adults. They remember pain for months (at least). And they have a lower pain threshold than adults. Cutting is barbaric, cutting and just assuming they don't feel pain is monstrous.There's a lot more to sex than how long you last, and theres a lot more to lasting than sensitivity. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/15 08:53 PM |
| 2 | Circumcision: Babies feel pain like adults. They remember pain for months (at least). And they have a lower pain threshold than adults. Cutting is barbaric, cutting and just assuming they don't feel pain is monstrous.If you are pro circumcision, I ask you this: What if are you wrong? The potential downsides of not circumcising are much easier for me to stomach. I don't blame parents that just don't know better, but at this point, if you know that harm or pain or trauma are real possibilities, and you still support circumcision, then you are subjecting boys, possibly even your own, to mutilation for the sake of your own ego. If you can honestly consider your own fallibility, then how could you risk this? You … | /r/MensRights | 21/04/15 08:05 PM |
| 2 | Circumcision: Babies feel pain like adults. They remember pain for months (at least). And they have a lower pain threshold than adults. Cutting is barbaric, cutting and just assuming they don't feel pain is monstrous.I think there's also something like the other side of our cultures moralism at work here. I think we increasingly see every issue as one with which to wave around our moral superiority, and with which to bash those unlike us. That doesn't lead to much forgiveness and understanding. With that as the prevailing mindset, those of us who have been circumcised would have to reconcile that with their view of their parents. Some parents are bad, and that's hard to face, but its also hard to say that a … | /r/MensRights | 21/04/15 07:52 PM |
| 2 | Circumcision: Babies feel pain like adults. They remember pain for months (at least). And they have a lower pain threshold than adults. Cutting is barbaric, cutting and just assuming they don't feel pain is monstrous.I wasn't trying to say that there's only two viewpoints one could have, just that there seems to be two common and opposing viewpoints in this thread, and that one of those seems more worked up than their viewpoint should allow for, at least of first glance. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/15 07:03 PM |
| 7 | Circumcision: Babies feel pain like adults. They remember pain for months (at least). And they have a lower pain threshold than adults. Cutting is barbaric, cutting and just assuming they don't feel pain is monstrous.Just a few hundred comments. Most the personal attacks and bad faith arguments are coming from one side. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/15 06:21 PM |
| 11 | Circumcision: Babies feel pain like adults. They remember pain for months (at least). And they have a lower pain threshold than adults. Cutting is barbaric, cutting and just assuming they don't feel pain is monstrous.There seems to be two viewpoints clashing in this thread. Those who believe that circumcision is no big deal, and those that think its a cruel mutilation. What's really interesting is that the people who think its no big deal seem to be angrier, and the people who are concerned about what they see as a real cruelty seem to be more reasonable. Think on that for a minute. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/15 04:43 PM |
| 1 | Circumcision: Babies feel pain like adults. They remember pain for months (at least). And they have a lower pain threshold than adults. Cutting is barbaric, cutting and just assuming they don't feel pain is monstrous.Some relevant links. http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/rhinehart1/ http://www.zenparenting.us/2013/04/this-is-your-brain-this-is-your-brain.html?m=1 | /r/MensRights | 21/04/15 01:26 PM |
| -5 | Circumcision: Babies feel pain like adults. They remember pain for months (at least). And they have a lower pain threshold than adults. Cutting is barbaric, cutting and just assuming they don't feel pain is monstrous.Sounds more like dissociation. | /r/MensRights | 21/04/15 01:23 PM |
| 5 | In general, does this sub see men's or women's right as more important in this day and age?Wouldn't that depend on things like where, who, and what? Think about circumcision. You can pull all the reasons out of all the asses in the world about how much worse FGM is than MGM, but in American hospitals, MGM is actually a problem. In some places, FGM is the problem. Then you have to wonder about whether an issue that men in our culture face, men we know and who's lives we affect, should take a back seat to woman a world away, especially when we can't do much about things any way. These b… | /r/MensRights | 07/04/15 08:36 AM |
| 2 | In general, does this sub see men's or women's right as more important in this day and age?Why does it have to be one or the other? Really, men's rights, women's rights, neither are all that important. People are. People being able to be themselves, have a fair chance, living free from uneccessary bullshit, and maybe even getting some support, that's important. I don't even like the term men's rights, and I don't usually post here, but I care deeply about the issues men's face. I care about the issues women face, too, but his either or way of looking at things is a major issue causing… | /r/MensRights | 07/04/15 08:28 AM |
| 5 | Masculinity, trauma and 'shell-shock' - How PTSD puts "masculine ideals" into question (interesting read)"The best of troops will fail if the strain is big enough…I have commanded in World War II the finest troops the U.S. had…I have seen individuals break in battle, and I have seen units perform miserably. The latter was always because of poor leadership. But sometimes, failure of the individual was not due to leadership. It just gets to the point where a man can’t take it anymore — that’s all…I saw men in Normandy in a few cases where the strain was too damn much for them. Casualties were very, v… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/15 07:54 PM |
| 1 | Lena Dunham rips outlets that claimed she molested her sisterIt never looked liked normal behavior. http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/parenting/child-rearing-and-development/sexuality/genital-play-whats-normal-whats-not | /r/MensRights | 04/11/14 05:08 AM |
| 0 | Lena Dunham "I told a story about being a weird 7 year old" Touches her little sisters Vagina. 7 year old boy? Sexual harassmentChildren develop faster in some ways than you may think. In any case, the point of intervening isnt to punish, its to provide safety. Usually the kids who act out have been abused themselves, or need help for some other reason, so changing up the situation can be beneficial for them. Given how these things are put into records in real life, a child is much more likely to at least gain access to important resources for healing than they are to have something on a permanent record. | /r/MensRights | 04/11/14 04:44 AM |
| 3 | Lena Dunham "I told a story about being a weird 7 year old" Touches her little sisters Vagina. 7 year old boy? Sexual harassmentId be very careful about framing things like that. My concern is that youre focusing on the abuser, and that can leave the abused out in the cold. I'm probably just being paranoid there, but Ive seem people say things like "she was only seven, thats not child abuse," that dont even bother to look at things from the victims perspective. If you are a child and an older/more powerful family member or friend manipulates you, violates you, or takes advantage it sucks regardless of their exact age. Ma… | /r/MensRights | 04/11/14 04:30 AM |
| 3 | An inconvenient truthThere are plenty of Anglo Saxon rapist, but they don't get overlooked out of fears of appearing racist. Its hard enough to catch these bastards without giving offenders an easy out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/14 08:24 PM |
| 3 | An inconvenient truthThat may be more of a matter of geography than it is a matter of policy. The worry is that we may be on the same trend as Britain, just not so far along. It would be safe to consider Britains experience a warning, especially with pro immigration gaining political favor (Lantino driven policies will have an effect on other immigrant populations). I live in Michigan, basically smack dab in the middle of the largest population of Muslim immigrants. They are good neighbors and fellow Americans. Ther… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/14 07:04 PM |
| 3 | An inconvenient truthI think its funny how you act like you don't know whats going on in Europe but then you go into a rant about Nigeria. I'm sorry, but we are much closer culturally to Europe (especially Britain) than just about anywhere except Canada. What's going on there has serious implications for our own culture and political thinking. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/14 03:42 PM |
| 3 | Just a thought.For the record, just about anything awful has been done by "some people." That includes playing victim, if that really is so bad. However, that's not really what you were saying in your post, or what I was taking exception with, and I think we both know that. Lets say that is what you were saying: why the gendered approach, the heavy generalization? Why post that here at all. A few people doing something "bad" isnt a rights issue, and everything your talking about could be said about men, includ… | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 05:48 PM |
| 6 | Just a thought.You are just insistant on doubling down arent you? My intention was to be polite, to inform, and to give you a chance to modify, moderate, or clarify your stance in a healthy way. I didn't mean to give you the rope, but you're hanging yourself. Here you are, on a site that is supposed to care about men, trying to use my experiences as a male rape survivor against me. You are basically saying that men can't share their experiences, and that if they do its someone malevolent. Do you never use your… | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 09:02 AM |
| 4 | Just a thought.Some people do that. People do messed up stuff all the time. That doesn't mean you should be making blanket, declarative statements based on lots of assumptions and little evidence. I can see that you would honestly think you were on to something when you made your original post. Its not an easy thing, giving that much benefit of the doubt, but I could see you just not knowing better. However, I think I've pointed out the flaws in your post, and I don't think you've really countered them. All yo… | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 08:13 AM |
| 8 | Just a thought.As someone who did go through the "more traumatic experiences" like you mentioned, I have to say that your post felt like a slap in the face. Other people sharing thier experiences doesn't have that same effect. We don't have victim competitions or survivor Olympics. Who am I to minimize someone else's traumatic experience or to question thier trauma in the first place? For that matter, who are you? | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 07:29 AM |
| 11 | Just a thought.Being raped can bring on feelings of shame and isolation. Talking about it in a supportive environment can help to overcome those feelings, and as humans, we all seek out understanding. Like that old song says, "we all need somebody to lean on." Another thing you may not realize is that rape can be a life altering experience. People often loose friends and family, people who may not be supportive, or that have interest in conflict with a victims experiences. When trying to fill the holes left by… | /r/MensRights | 21/12/13 06:41 AM |
| 1 | Men get shammed for being virgins. Women get shamed for not being virgins. Woah. It equals outI think the two sides of the virgin shaming coin illustrates just what's wrong with making everything a gender war. If its men vs women, then yes, the shaming balances out, and everything is just fine. Except its not. Individual people are getting shamed for no good reason, and they can in effect be shamed regardless of what they do. That's not okay, but the problem isn't men, or women, or feminist, its fucking group think and just plain meanness. | /r/MensRights | 13/12/13 05:10 AM |
| 5 | I am not a Dr. but this sounds flawed to me.Its controversial, but the documentary House of Numbers might shed some light onto those numbers. The testing for HIV may not be all its cracked up to be, especially places like Africa, where interview questions can actually effect test results. Basically, if your circumcised and sick the doctors will say you have malaria or something, where if you are uncircumcised and sick they will say you have HIV. | /r/MensRights | 31/10/13 10:41 PM |
| 3 | My Thoughts, Fears, and Hopes Regarding Women In Combat.Well mods, I think Im probably done with this sub after this thread. There's no point in having rules, moderators, or any of it if your going to leave crap like this up. Your either going to make a place that's safe for productive discussion, or your going to make a place that's safe for angry circle jerking. You can't always have both. Im not at all saying that people shouldn't be able to say things like this, but if your insisting on providing a venue for it, then its not for people like me. I… | /r/MensRights | 15/10/13 08:51 PM |
| 1 | My Thoughts, Fears, and Hopes Regarding Women In Combat.It's rife with mental health risks as it is. That sounds harsh, but it is part of the job, unfortunately. The job is to win wars. From a real politic perspective, morality matters, but only so much as their is a moral level to warfare. While I find equal opportunity a moral imperative, that's relative, and many places where our military is deployed having more American women running around with guns would make for a moral disadvantage, relative to the specific cultural landscape. Having special … | /r/MensRights | 15/10/13 08:13 PM |
| 1 | Men's rights activists: what does your Utopian society look like? - x-post /r/FeMRADebatesI think the last thing people concerned with gender inequality need is to be more utopian. | /r/MensRights | 15/10/13 06:41 PM |
| 9 | Okay, Feminism, It’s Time We Had a Talk About EmpathyIts basically a form of ad hominem, where the authority of the author is attacked instead of their argument being addressed: | /r/MensRights | 15/10/13 06:38 PM |
| 1 | My Thoughts, Fears, and Hopes Regarding Women In Combat.I don't think its really the same as don't ask don't tell. I get what your saying, and its entirely fair, but even if your right that doesn't mean we will get away with forcing cultural change twice in such a short time. Im pretty tired now, at least me thumbs are, but if you want there are people who make strong cultural arguments against this change, and you can search that out. There's a lot of crap, too, but in my opinion there are more or less cultural arguments made against female integrat… | /r/MensRights | 15/10/13 05:11 AM |
| 2 | Regarding female rape and victim-shamingI don't have all the answers, but I think your asking good questions and thinking about this in a pretty balanced and thoughtful way. | /r/MensRights | 15/10/13 02:21 AM |
| 4 | The Kansas City Star Writes Skewed Article Covering 2012 Maryville Sexual Assault Case, I've Prepared a Letter to the Author In ResponseMy pleasure. If this case had gone to court as it should have, the prosecution would have had a much easier time developing and defending credibility than the defense would have, and by a large margin (given all available information, but a pretty unlikely bombshell would have to be dropped to change that). | /r/MensRights | 15/10/13 12:29 AM |
| 3 | The Kansas City Star Writes Skewed Article Covering 2012 Maryville Sexual Assault Case, I've Prepared a Letter to the Author In ResponseI need neither your sympathy nor your respect, or honestly anything else from you. I simply provided a little more background to what you assume you already know about me, apparently that I'm a horrible person. No, you were just trying to weasel out of facing the fact that I caught you in a major contradiction regarding witness credibility and that I called you out on your pathetic appeals for authority (your "logic"). Now your just trying to get out of playing the victim card, not that your not… | /r/MensRights | 14/10/13 10:07 PM |
| 4 | The Kansas City Star Writes Skewed Article Covering 2012 Maryville Sexual Assault Case, I've Prepared a Letter to the Author In ResponseI would respond just the same to what you were saying if you were Ghandis Downs Syndrome half fairy brother. I was responding to what you were saying, not who you are, and what you were saying was awful. Or at least that was my take on it, and that's just me being honest. Now, if on another day on another thread, if you said something that I thought had any merit I would happily be willing to start over and give you the benefit of the doubt. Im usually quite good about that here, and I usually t… | /r/MensRights | 14/10/13 09:46 PM |
| 0 | The Kansas City Star Writes Skewed Article Covering 2012 Maryville Sexual Assault Case, I've Prepared a Letter to the Author In ResponseI honestly wouldn't blame you for whatever you think about this sub, its community, overly political men's rights activist, "the movement," or any of that crap. I do hope, however, that you consider that there are issues men face, issues that could be resolved without hurting women, and I hope you don't let the bullshit close your mind about that possibility. | /r/MensRights | 14/10/13 09:35 PM |
| 3 | The Kansas City Star Writes Skewed Article Covering 2012 Maryville Sexual Assault Case, I've Prepared a Letter to the Author In ResponseMy mind is logical...it is not hindered by fanaticism or imposed morals. I think that in this given instance the prosecution was handcuffed by the law. I think any defense attorney worth their salt would have turned this in to a circus that caused further harm to the Coleman girl AND the end result would have been the same. Think about this logically I didn't know you were Vulcan! Well Mr Spock, you should know that, being half human, you have walked into a mental trap of your own design. People… | /r/MensRights | 14/10/13 09:26 PM |
| 6 | The Kansas City Star Writes Skewed Article Covering 2012 Maryville Sexual Assault Case, I've Prepared a Letter to the Author In ResponseI feel a bit prescient. Its a burden. Im all for free speech, but I would have no problem with the moderators excercising thier right to it as well. This is thier venue, and they do not have to give people like this a mouthpiece. If they started moderating more actively, I may be the first one banned for all I know, but if they insist on making r/mensrights safe for this kind of thing, then its not the right place for men like me. | /r/MensRights | 14/10/13 08:42 PM |
| 6 | The Kansas City Star Writes Skewed Article Covering 2012 Maryville Sexual Assault Case, I've Prepared a Letter to the Author In ResponseI really hope your a just troll saying troll things, because then you would only be a shitty person. Edit: I don't say things like that often, but the hateful and ignorant bullshit your spewing doesn't deserve a thoughtful response. In fact, the things you are saying are so devoid of virtue and sense that there is nothing to respond to. Its like a big black hole of stupid, so if your trying to say anything worthwhile know that it can't escape the awful event horizon of your own making. | /r/MensRights | 14/10/13 08:28 PM |
| 8 | The Kansas City Star Writes Skewed Article Covering 2012 Maryville Sexual Assault Case, I've Prepared a Letter to the Author In ResponseWow I really, really, REALLY hope not. | /r/MensRights | 14/10/13 08:27 PM |
| 1 | Recent fake story troll posts: Don't fall for this shitSome post like that are suspicios, so I do think being thoughtful and even cautious while responding (in a way that still gives the poster the benefit of the doubt) is probably the best course of action available, as it should cover all the bases. | /r/MensRights | 14/10/13 04:10 AM |
| 1 | The Problem with Dividing Rape and Gender (or, How Rape Victims are Not Players In Your Fantasy Football League).Im kind of unexpectedly exhausted and busy today, so just in case I don't have time to reply in the way that I would like to I do want to say thank you for responding. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/13 06:31 PM |
| 0 | Recent fake story troll posts: Don't fall for this shitGood points :) | /r/MensRights | 13/10/13 06:29 PM |
| 5 | Recent fake story troll posts: Don't fall for this shitI admit that I was expecting this post to amount to little more than an ad hominem fueled witch hunt, but I think you have may a point in this case. On the plus side, troll post or not, these kind of post do provide an opportunity for people to think about looking at these issues reasonably and consistently. | /r/MensRights | 13/10/13 06:15 PM |
| 3 | Was assigned to read this essay in my writing class and really liked it. "Anti-Male Bias Increasingly Pervades our Culture" by John Leo (sorry if repost)Good stuff! | /r/MensRights | 12/10/13 11:33 PM |
| 2 | Leveling and Sharpening - psychological concepts you *need* to know.Neither. I was suggesting that the study mentioned, and the phenomena explored offer only limited, albeit worthwhile, insights into human experience. In particular, I was trying to point out that the methodology (as I understand it) of the study did not allow for it to meaningfully explore many important ways in which people experience the past and are affected by it, particularly in regards to the traumatic experiences of many. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/13 11:13 PM |
| 0 | Leveling and Sharpening - psychological concepts you *need* to know.Memory involves all the senses, its not just narrative. A story might upset you, but rape will give you PTSD. Just wondering, have you ever experienced a traumatic flashback? Its nothing like the movies, its not narrative. Its violent and confusing, and its really easy to intellectualize and minimize if you haven't experienced it. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/13 06:58 AM |
| 2 | Banning the NAFALT defense?Im not convinced that "all feminist are like that" arguments have any validity, that they are easily supported, that they aren't really the manufactured discussion walls rather than the NAFALT arguments, or that those using them have any right to decide what arguments should be allowed here. Even if we squared off on this issue, even if the whole sub did nothing else for a month, it wouldn't matter. New arguments and logic might surface, so we need to be open to that. Until then, as wrong as I t… | /r/MensRights | 12/10/13 06:49 AM |
| 0 | Leveling and Sharpening - psychological concepts you *need* to know.I think your post started off very good. While focusing leveling and sharpening entirely on gender may be on topic, am I correct in saying that these effects are not soley involved in gender? Also, I really feel like your end arguments were a bit too dogmatic. It almost sounded like you were using sharpening in a way that would drastically minimize the problem of sexual violence against women, but I think you had an interesting point so I don't want to assume the worst meanings of what you were … | /r/MensRights | 12/10/13 06:18 AM |
| 2 | This Does Nothing To Help Our CausePredictable assumption of worst intentions? Check! | /r/MensRights | 12/10/13 03:59 AM |
| 7 | I have a request for any male rape victims browsing reddit.As a male rape victim, rightly or wrongly its good to know Im not alone, and stats are good for that, and for helping people realize the scale of the problem (something that I think could be worse for both girls and boys). That doesn't mean that there is a rape war between male and female victims, or at least there shouldn't be, so please don't "compete" with stats too much. Even if male victims are a minority, that shouldn't make them matter less, and Id rather people have to face that than sta… | /r/MensRights | 12/10/13 02:26 AM |
| 1 | Banning the NAFALT defense?No, not convincing. | /r/MensRights | 12/10/13 12:43 AM |
| 0 | Adrian Peterson's son, 2, dies; mom fails at protecting son in her custodyThere are definately men's issues that relate to this whole tragic situation, but your right, this post did nothing to address them. | /r/MensRights | 11/10/13 10:53 PM |
| 1 | Banning the NAFALT defense?Im not convinced. | /r/MensRights | 11/10/13 07:22 PM |
| 2 | What are the best things about the Men's Rights Movement?Its good practice. It can feel good to stay out of that muck. Other people read this stuff. Where would the world be if everyone's morality was predicated on being just a bit better or no worse than those behaving badly? The Internet has enough crap, maybe throwing some on the pile doesn't hurt, but it doesn't help either. Just my two, I mean five, cents. My nickel. Whatever. | /r/MensRights | 11/10/13 01:48 AM |
| 2 | What are the best things about the Men's Rights Movement?I always try to remember that just because someone else isn't actually saying anything, it doesnt mean that I can't. | /r/MensRights | 11/10/13 01:35 AM |
| 3 | What are the best things about the Men's Rights Movement?I really wish this mods in this sub where just a little more active. They aren't because they don't wont to limit the kinds of opinions allowed into the discourse, but that doesn't mean they can't demand actual discussion. | /r/MensRights | 11/10/13 01:22 AM |
| 57 | I am a queer man. Explain how Men's rights actually help me in any wayYour a man who is gay, Im a man who is straight. We are both men. Why does sexual orientation have to be so divisive? Does something have to help you personally to be an issue worth considering, or even a cause worth supporting? Even though I think homophobia affects straight people negatively, that's never been a prerequisite for me caring about gay people. With that in mind, what mens rights issues do you think we are missing that will help both gay and straight men, or even just gay men? | /r/MensRights | 11/10/13 12:29 AM |
| 4 | What are the worst things about the Men's Rights Movement?Also, when we don't go far enough (usually out of a sense that men caring about other men is somehow unmanly). I love this pussies comment! All joking aside. I do love this. One way you could look at the problems facing the men's rights crowd is that there is a tendency to reinforce the cause of our problems, too narrow gender roles taken to harmful extremes, rather than working to question and undo, or to at least loosen, those roles. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/13 11:48 PM |
| 10 | What are the worst things about the Men's Rights Movement?The fact that its a "movement," and that its members are often activist. This brings with it certain trappings and temptations. Identity politics, ego trips, backwards causality, credit taking. Unpopular arguments are dismissed with popular low level arguments. See here, or just wait until someone calls you a troll. Really unpopular things will be ignored, especially by the self styled ideological leaders. Closely related to number two, the tendency of many not to communicate in good faith. Dogm… | /r/MensRights | 10/10/13 11:35 PM |
| 9 | What are the best things about the Men's Rights Movement?The fact that it cares about men The fact that to a good many, empathy towards men does not equate to apathy towards women. There are efforts to call out some of our cultures hypocrisy (particularly how we treat males vs females). The MRM will sometimes provide the rare place for men to share pains and thoughts that they would otherwise keep to themselves due to either internalized or external shame, expectation, or manufactured identity. There is still places in the MRM that allow for thought. … | /r/MensRights | 10/10/13 11:11 PM |
| -1 | Banning the NAFALT defense?One might be forgiven for thinking that if an argument was debunked, as you say, or encountered enough that those of your ilk should be used to dealing with it, then there is no reason why it should be that hard for you to have to encounter it. I think the ones hiding are people like you, who can't deal with nuance and complexity and want nothing more than to have thier blanket oversimplifications accepted and praised. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/13 11:38 AM |
| 1 | Banning the NAFALT defense?Its funny how sometimes "go fuck yourself" and things like that are frowned upon here, and sometimes they aren't. I guess it depends on the popularity of who's saying it, and to whom, but I agree. The first two sentences said all that needed to be said. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/13 11:34 AM |
| 1 | Rape nor domestic violence is not as prevalent as feminists try to portray, and sinking to their level with "male rape" and "male domestic" violence posts is absurd.I don't think that talking about men who are raped, or even raped by women, is at all negative. When it gets to the point of competing with stats and things like that, then I think you may have a point. | /r/MensRights | 10/10/13 04:53 AM |
| 1 | Just had a conversation with my Mom....I would try getting away from the statistics, and turn the focus from groups to individuals. This might be difficult, giving her political leanings, but it shouldn't matter how many women dont rape or how many men always want sex, as long as there are exceptions she needs to moderate her assumptions. Remind her that these are people, not numbers, and a raped man suffers just as much as a raped woman. If she insist on talking percentages, made up or otherwise, I would point out that all she is sa… | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 11:02 PM |
| 1 | Any boys or men out there who were sexually assaulted by women?I know how you don't want anyone else to have gone through it, but its still comforting to not be alone. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 07:02 PM |
| 2 | Any boys or men out there who were sexually assaulted by women?hug | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 06:52 PM |
| 3 | Any boys or men out there who were sexually assaulted by women?Im still unsure of how your defining sexual assault, but I was sexually abused by two women in my family. I've had some other less than comftorable experiences, but nothing else as bad as that. If this is what your looking for, I'll be happy to share, but since sharing will take a lot out of me, Id rather first see if this is the place for it. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 06:36 PM |
| 2 | "But by age 18, girls had become much more involved in preying on others, to the point where they were almost as likely to be perpetrators as were boys."I appreciate the piece, that it doesn't just focus on male perpetrators, but I have my doubts to how useful the study is given what's said about the methodology. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 06:28 PM |
| 3 | 13 Things Bros Would Rather Buy Than ObamacareBecause the number of young men who have bills, debts, or families is exactly zero right? Not only are younger men all fiscally irresponsible bro bags, they better be rich too, because if not whats the point of male privilege? Time to man up pussies! | /r/MensRights | 09/10/13 12:34 AM |
| -1 | Amanda Marcotte writes reform guide to help MRA social skills: "... hit the gym ... use a nice soap ... regular haircuts ... clothes that fit ... have art hanging on the walls" and so forth. Are MRAs semi-literate apes who sleep in filth and have wax drooling from our ears?I wonder how many of those who aren't fond of my comment recognized the sarcasm in the first sentence. | /r/MensRights | 08/10/13 06:56 PM |
| 5 | Amanda Marcotte writes reform guide to help MRA social skills: "... hit the gym ... use a nice soap ... regular haircuts ... clothes that fit ... have art hanging on the walls" and so forth. Are MRAs semi-literate apes who sleep in filth and have wax drooling from our ears?I wish I could upvote this twice. | /r/MensRights | 08/10/13 06:52 PM |
| -1 | Amanda Marcotte writes reform guide to help MRA social skills: "... hit the gym ... use a nice soap ... regular haircuts ... clothes that fit ... have art hanging on the walls" and so forth. Are MRAs semi-literate apes who sleep in filth and have wax drooling from our ears?Im being insulted in a confusing way! Oh the pain! | /r/MensRights | 08/10/13 06:49 PM |
| -1 | Amanda Marcotte writes reform guide to help MRA social skills: "... hit the gym ... use a nice soap ... regular haircuts ... clothes that fit ... have art hanging on the walls" and so forth. Are MRAs semi-literate apes who sleep in filth and have wax drooling from our ears?Tools tend to be better for some things than they are for others, so a tool usually tend towards certain end results. "Rules for Radicals" might be effective, but only for getting the kind of results Alinsky was interested in. They were designed to do just that. I get what your saying, but good strategy never boils down to oversimplification, it embraces nuance, complexity, novelty, and uncertainty (see Boyd's conceptual spiral). When I worked at a bookstore, lots of people whom are easiest to d… | /r/MensRights | 08/10/13 06:42 PM |
| 4 | Amanda Marcotte writes reform guide to help MRA social skills: "... hit the gym ... use a nice soap ... regular haircuts ... clothes that fit ... have art hanging on the walls" and so forth. Are MRAs semi-literate apes who sleep in filth and have wax drooling from our ears?Whether its progressive, liberal, feminist, or anything, don't expect Rawstory to be the place where you see the best of something. The place is essentially an echoe chamber for negativity. I once thought that it was a useful website, maybe it was, or maybe I just outgrew it, but its no longer a place I'll bother with. Edit: good catch on her accidental acknowledgement. | /r/MensRights | 08/10/13 06:11 PM |
| -1 | Amanda Marcotte writes reform guide to help MRA social skills: "... hit the gym ... use a nice soap ... regular haircuts ... clothes that fit ... have art hanging on the walls" and so forth. Are MRAs semi-literate apes who sleep in filth and have wax drooling from our ears?Just for the sake of clarity, are you saying that Im a wanker who is also a concern troll, or am I one who wanks off concern trolls? If someone is so intellectually vacant that they have to resort to ad hominem responses, I suppose the most that I can get out of the conversation is to know precisely how Im being insulted. Then again, I've yet to see someone adequately articulate the meaning of the term "concern troll," to me the term just seems oxymoronic, so I suppose Im going to be agonizing o… | /r/MensRights | 08/10/13 06:07 PM |
| 1 | Do women actually get paid less than men?Great comment! | /r/MensRights | 08/10/13 05:58 PM |
| -6 | Amanda Marcotte writes reform guide to help MRA social skills: "... hit the gym ... use a nice soap ... regular haircuts ... clothes that fit ... have art hanging on the walls" and so forth. Are MRAs semi-literate apes who sleep in filth and have wax drooling from our ears?Why is it that the people who are quickest to accuse others of trolling are often the ones who are the ones acting the most like trolls? Maybe because, like you, they don't realize that there is a middle ground between not responding and responding as negatively as possible. Sadly, as much as I want to think that the kind of things said in the link are entirely baseless, and I really do want them to be untrue, people like you make me think that yeah, the Rawstory types have a point. Some people … | /r/MensRights | 08/10/13 05:04 PM |
| -11 | Amanda Marcotte writes reform guide to help MRA social skills: "... hit the gym ... use a nice soap ... regular haircuts ... clothes that fit ... have art hanging on the walls" and so forth. Are MRAs semi-literate apes who sleep in filth and have wax drooling from our ears?That's actually rather well written and mature for something off of Rawstory. We should try to rise above that kind of thing, though, if for no other reason that gaining support for men's issues means changing people minds, and if two sides of an issue are making asses of themselves, people tend to support the asses they previously agreed with. Besides, as atrocious as things like this are, they are intended to get a negative response that will make these sorts of criticisms seem credible. | /r/MensRights | 08/10/13 03:57 PM |
| 3 | There seems to always be a well-upvoted but anally pedantic and pointless red-herring in any given thread on this sub. It smells subversive. How paranoid am I?As of now I think this post and its comments are pretty silly, but I want to keep an open mind and not reactively criticize. Care to offer any examples of what your talking about OP, preferably recent ones? Also, please provide a useful definition of the term concern troll, preferably one that doesn't boil down to "people who disagree with me." Im not expecting to agree with this post if I get any replys, but even if I strongly disagree Id rather it be in a discussion that begins with trying to … | /r/MensRights | 08/10/13 12:53 PM |
| 3 | The strawman that MRA's think 'men are oppressed by women'I don't agree with the end viewpoint of your vote, but you raise some good points in your support of that view, so here's and upvote. | /r/MensRights | 08/10/13 05:09 AM |
| 2 | Why are proponents of multiculturalism so opposed to men and women having different cultures?I completely agree. Very well put, I think its a critical distinction. | /r/MensRights | 07/10/13 04:53 AM |
| 3 | Why are proponents of multiculturalism so opposed to men and women having different cultures?Great comment, though I do think that it might be important to distinguish between the politics that focus on the individual and the politics that focus on the group. Regardless, once again yours was a great comment. | /r/MensRights | 07/10/13 04:36 AM |
| 1 | Why are proponents of multiculturalism so opposed to men and women having different cultures?While Im not for encouraging larger gender divides, I think that in many cases multiculturalism is a misnomer. Many of multiculturalisms strongest proponents actually advocate for what would be more appropriately called monoculturalism, or at least that's the likely end result even if it wasnt the origional intention. That's certainly not true of every conceivable or practiced form of multiculturalism, but most things that are pursued fanatacly tend towards uniformity, because fanatics don't hav… | /r/MensRights | 07/10/13 04:30 AM |
| 5 | Feminists and MRAs. Baseline acknowledgement of symmetries.This was a good post. At worst, the things said in it are so obvious they shouldn't need to be said. Sadly, they do need to be said, because people are too busy playing us and them to just be reasonable. So you have people throwing a fit because someone isn't rooting loudly enough for the home team, or because they aren't rabidly booing the away team. Nevermind that absolutely none of the negative criticisms of this post were willing to refute the main points of the originonal post. Why think? P… | /r/MensRights | 04/10/13 07:59 PM |
| 7 | Why is almost everyone here against male circumcision?When Wahabis would raid the towns of those they considered infidels, they would line up the pregnant women in the street and disembowel them. Now they just blow people up. Both crimes used religion as justfication, so for me the religion card is a non starter as an argument when it comes to hurting someone else. Im all for people being able to practice any religion they choose, as individuals, but I draw the line when they do something to someone else. | /r/MensRights | 04/10/13 01:41 AM |
| 2 | Dear MRAI haven't been here that long lol, lurking for less than a year I believe, and I've been commenting less than that, but in that time you see the same dogma spouted as if people were going down a checklist. The discussion here is very predicatable, at least with some sides on some issues, and I think that's some proof that some here are compensating for intellectional bankruptcy with lower forms of tribalism, and it hurts the community as a whole. | /r/MensRights | 03/10/13 07:20 PM |
| -2 | I just can't do it any more.Oh man I just finished writing a comment in another thread about how terms like concern troll where about to be dropped. I promised myself Id take the day of reddit commenting and just relax, so Im sorry Im not giving you a better response, but I just saw your comment and its just too funny. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 05:48 PM |
| 5 | Dear MRAI realize feminism is represented by mostly women, but shouldn't we be attacking the ideology and not the women's believe in it themselves? Well said. I've mentioned Zimbardo's Lucifer Effect on here before, and I think its a play whenever people turn thoughtful critiques of feminism(s) and turn it into a single minded enmity towards feminist. I think the biggest problem men face comes from them being dehumanized, and I just can't see any "progress" that relies on dehumanization as disireable. E… | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 05:45 PM |
| 2 | I just can't do it any more.Not everything in life is clean cut and quantifiable. If you have a hard time with that, I suggest looking into John Boyd and the conceptual spiral. Everyone wants to be right, so everyone wants proof, as if uncertainty isn't part of the human experience. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 04:48 PM |
| -4 | I just can't do it any more.I think that's a pretty shallow analysis. Its as if history, culture, communications technology, policy and law have all remained constant, with the only thing changing being how men's rights activist act out. Its a predictable talking point, but I don't think its very convincing to people not already attached to the narrative. Maybe people are paying attention to these issues because they have experienced them directly or empathetically, so they are looking for places to voice and discuss thier… | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 04:44 PM |
| -1 | I just can't do it any more.Honestly the most frustrating thing about this community isn't the toxicity, but the dishonesty and willful blindness people use to disregard said toxicity. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 04:28 PM |
| -3 | I just can't do it any more.Fair enough, but their are those within this movement trying to define it primarily by its negatives, and that's a problem. Edited for clarity. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 03:58 PM |
| -1 | I just can't do it any more.If the angry MRAs were half as thoughtful and articulate as the likes of Malcolm X and Huey P Newton, you might have a point, despite ingnoring those always trying for the high road such as Dr King. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 03:13 PM |
| 4 | I just can't do it any more.I really think I get what your saying, and it bums me out too. Of course I don't know whether my small contribution here would be viewed as part of the problem or the solution in your eyes. In my opinion though, even when I've just been a lurker I've seen this sub get better. Its not a constant rate of improvement, with many slips and stalls, but all in all I do think its getting better, and I think you could be a part of that improvement if you stick around. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 03:06 PM |
| 2 | If you don't get AVOICEFORMEN.COM, STFU! (Or, how AVFM.com is selling the MHRM)You know the more I read your comments the more Im convinced that your motivation is to just to win arguments, and that you don't really care how you do that so long as you can tell yourself your successful. I don't think you here because you have anything to say, and I don't think your communicating in good faith. There were plenty of other things said in this post that supported or criticized AVFM and its approach, but you seem to obsess over the smallest things, like the dress better thing. M… | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 05:52 AM |
| 2 | If you don't get AVOICEFORMEN.COM, STFU! (Or, how AVFM.com is selling the MHRM)I only wish you could think as critically about your comments as you do mine. Have a good night. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 05:26 AM |
| 2 | If you don't get AVOICEFORMEN.COM, STFU! (Or, how AVFM.com is selling the MHRM)This is so typical of that camp. "Queer" is a pretty loaded word. Most people are aware of this. That doesn't mean that the word can't be used, but if you do use it you should be clear about why your using it and what you mean, and even then you shouldn't be surprised if it gets a negative response. But they are all about getting a negative response, playing the surpised victim, and acting like they have no responsibility for how they choose to represent themselves or thier cause. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 02:45 AM |
| 2 | If you don't get AVOICEFORMEN.COM, STFU! (Or, how AVFM.com is selling the MHRM)You can keep beating this dead horse all you want, I made the observation I wanted to make, but I do want to make one more. I think its really interesting that the community that's all about fucking shit up, whatever that means exactly, being rude and bombastic to get attention, and is generally hostile to the very idea of elevating debate is so quick to take such exception at any perceived slight against them. I think this is a pretty dishonest and manipulative tact, as its basically asking for… | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 02:23 AM |
| 3 | If you don't get AVOICEFORMEN.COM, STFU! (Or, how AVFM.com is selling the MHRM)You haven't "called" any of my shit. This is the first time you've responded to me in this thread. If anyone is acting tribally, its the AVFM crowd, so I don't feel any guilt by association. The fact is that you were trying to take the high ground by saying that appearance shouldn't matter, only to resort to a loaded cheap shot. "Butthurt" isn't a very nice term, has pretty rapey implications, and is one of those non arguments that people resort to when they can't think of anything useful. Someo… | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 12:48 AM |
| 2 | If you don't get AVOICEFORMEN.COM, STFU! (Or, how AVFM.com is selling the MHRM)Your resorting to "butthurt" now? I suppose pettiness begets pettiness. | /r/MensRights | 02/10/13 12:34 AM |
| 1 | Honey Badger Radio: PARTY IN TORONTO!I have mixed feeling about Typhonblue, as she seems to be pretty thoughtful when the AFVM script isn't involved, but what are you talking about exactly? | /r/MensRights | 01/10/13 07:33 PM |
| 3 | If you don't get AVOICEFORMEN.COM, STFU! (Or, how AVFM.com is selling the MHRM)Read what you just wrote me, and then look at some of your other post. If your a coke drinker, you shouldn't be rude to Pepsi drinkers and tell Royal Crown drinkers to shut the fuck up. Keep in mind that AVFM is pretty bold, and if they don't want to be inclusive they need a more appropriate name, and they need to stop acting like there way is the only way, especially if their supporters pull they personal preference card out only convieniant. If you want movement diversity, don't expect isolati… | /r/MensRights | 01/10/13 05:27 AM |
| 2 | If you don't get AVOICEFORMEN.COM, STFU! (Or, how AVFM.com is selling the MHRM)I think web traffic is a tricky metric for succes in this case. AVFM is pretty dogmatic, and dogmatic types tend to centralize. That means that all those interested in that type of thing will congregate in one spot, in this case it just so happens to be AVFM. We don't know how many visitors to AVFM are there to be exposed to anything, or what percentage of traffic is driven by confirmation bias. Those seeking more open discussion, those taking different tacts, or those wanting exposure to more p… | /r/MensRights | 01/10/13 04:10 AM |
| 3 | If you don't get AVOICEFORMEN.COM, STFU! (Or, how AVFM.com is selling the MHRM)That depends on your goals I suppose, but I see your point. However, being noticed does not by itself mean that you will achieve your goals. Not unless your goal is to be noticed. There's a reason that as of yet no Cardinal wanting to be the Pope has released a sex tape. I think part of what's happening on the activist side of things is that the success of a mission can be confused with the "success" of those tasked with the mission. This is often happens in government bureaucracies, especially … | /r/MensRights | 01/10/13 03:54 AM |
| 5 | If you don't get AVOICEFORMEN.COM, STFU! (Or, how AVFM.com is selling the MHRM)That's only if getting attention is your only goal. | /r/MensRights | 01/10/13 03:14 AM |
| 5 | If you don't get AVOICEFORMEN.COM, STFU! (Or, how AVFM.com is selling the MHRM)In a lot of ways it almost seems AVFM is copying what various feminists do really when it comes to dealing with gender issues. This is what really worries me. Not only can this approach lead to the surrender an easily held morally high ground, it turns everything into a zero sum game. The AVFM strategy is usually defended as being the path to victory in some epic battle, and while I think that's a premature assumption that fosters unnecessary conflict, my big concern is that there seems to be li… | /r/MensRights | 01/10/13 01:14 AM |
| 2 | How is it even possible to be a white heterosexual male and hate white heterosexual males?Was that speech given before he left the Nation of Islam? I know a lot of his later, independent stuff was more nuanced and less hyperbolic. | /r/MensRights | 24/09/13 07:41 PM |
| 7 | How is it even possible to be a white heterosexual male and hate white heterosexual males?Self loathing is a common coping mechanism for one who has internalized external vilification. In our guilt based culture, the people who are told they are bad, the ones who believe it, will often vilify themselves as an act of contrition. When you feel like you are bad, it can often seem like all you can do to be good is admit you are bad, to show people you are better for it. Its all fucked up mind you, but we humans get a little nutty when we feel insecure. If everyone tells you that you are … | /r/MensRights | 24/09/13 03:58 AM |
| -1 | Switzerland referendum vote to keep army conscription: All able-bodied MEN are required to take part in compulsory military service between the ages of 18 and 34.No really?!!! Edit: sorry, Im having a hard time responding politely to that. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 04:58 AM |
| 13 | Switzerland referendum vote to keep army conscription: All able-bodied MEN are required to take part in compulsory military service between the ages of 18 and 34.Keep in mind that the Swiss military model has done a great job at keeping Swiss men out of foreign wars. | /r/MensRights | 22/09/13 06:03 PM |
| -1 | a definition of feminism that everyone agrees withWell Im sure whoever gave you ultimate power over definitions knew what they where doing. | /r/MensRights | 17/09/13 01:29 AM |
| 0 | Why is there tons of support for female cancer ( the pink ribbon things) but not male?We need a Brown Knot compaign for prostate cancer. | /r/MensRights | 15/09/13 04:19 AM |
| 2 | So this is kind of a big deal to me..... [meta]Of course you assume as much, doing so is a pleasurable experience for you. | /r/MensRights | 12/09/13 04:08 AM |
| 9 | Slate's Hanna Rosin: "Feminists, Accept It. The Patriarchy is Dead."This is when I knew I was dealing with some irrational attachment to the concept of unfair. What a great sentence. | /r/MensRights | 11/09/13 09:39 PM |
| 3 | So this is kind of a big deal to me..... [meta]This post is an excercise in moral masturbation. Your completely misrepresenting, or misunderstanding, where many libertarians come from on these issues. This makes it easy for you to feel morally superior to the degenerates in your head. Sorry, I would be happy to explain where some libertarians come down on these issues, or discuss the issues themselves, but you weren't really asking for that, were you? | /r/MensRights | 11/09/13 08:44 PM |
| 2 | "House husbands just ain't sexy"Well your certainly demonstrating something. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 08:08 PM |
| 4 | "House husbands just ain't sexy"Hey, at least your talking shit about me here rather than over at theredpill. You can say what you want, where you want, but I think its funny how youd rather suggest Im a panty wearing beta with a mangina to other people than continue our little discussion. I also think its funny that you use the word beta at all. What do you mean when you say that exactly? It sounds like you use the term beta as a pejorative so you can self apply the title of alpha. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 07:03 PM |
| 3 | "House husbands just ain't sexy"Actually Im not a vet. Not all PTSD cases are war related. Thanks for trying to be empathetic though (I don't think that makes you a mangina). | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 05:52 PM |
| 6 | "House husbands just ain't sexy"When typing on a phone I give myself a grammar pass. My only interest when writing is communication anyways. If someone can point me to how I "should" have said what I was saying, then they obviously knew what I meant. Thanks for the correction though, and thanks for reading despite the difficulties :) | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 05:41 PM |
| 2 | "House husbands just ain't sexy"My perception of you is that you are an emotionally stunted simpleton who can't fuck well enough so he has to play pathetic games to get attention, which is extra important to him because he is so lacking in self respect that he has become completely dependent on fictional external validation through means of self stereotyping. That's how you are being perceived right now. Does it matter to you? I hope not, hell, Im mature enough to know that I don't know you well enough to put too much faith in… | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 05:24 PM |
| 5 | "House husbands just ain't sexy"Well obviously your little crystal ball is worth more than all the gold in the fed. Part of me really wants to rip into your stupid little rant, but then part of me just feels sorry for you. You're hurt, you're afraid, and you're trapped inside the walls that you have built. You might not want to trade with me, and that's fine, Id rather everyone just be themselves anyway, but you're obviously not happy. You're proud, but you're not happy. Your ego feeds on your bitterness, so being happy would … | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 04:47 PM |
| 7 | "House husbands just ain't sexy"What's the matter? Jealous? | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 04:09 PM |
| 4 | "House husbands just ain't sexy"Since I moved in with my girlfriend come fiancé, I've taken over a year off of work to deal with emotional trauma, and Im now working less than her, and making less, and if one was making a conservative estimate they would say I have far lower earning potential than her. In that time, my security in my masculinity has improved to the highest point in my life, we have sex more often, its both dirtier and more intimate, and my sex life is essentially the opposite experience of Peters life at the b… | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 01:39 PM |
| 1 | "House husbands just ain't sexy"Sexy as in cute often means sexy as in dick wanted. The two don't always overlap, but they aren't mutually exclusive either. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 01:32 PM |
| 0 | Reynolds: Popular vision of masculinity changed, distortedThe guy has some good points, but this sub isn't all that big on critical self reflection. | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 01:22 PM |
| -2 | Enough of this "I'm a feminist and an MRA!" nonsense. It's a hijack attempt and a pretty transparent one at that.Its seems to me that all of you who are saying things like "feminism is this" or "feminism is that" are completely incapable of looking at the world from outside of your idealogical enclosures, much less imagining that other people see and define things differently. How you define a word or thing is never the only way of doing so. Totalitarian teachers with red pens in hand not with standing, language is local, personal, and ever changing. Maybe the men's rights cause would get along better if i… | /r/MensRights | 31/08/13 07:40 PM |
| 2 | Men becoming more feminine? Study finds men today less likely to seek thrills and adventure but no change in women's behaviourThis only has any truth in it if you agree that thrill seeking is central to masculinity. If it is, then is it really a men's rights issue that more men die in the military or at work? Maybe men are becoming more emotionally secure and not having to prove themselves through self destructive behavior every five minutes. Maybe men are finding more ways to find joy or to fill the voids in there lives. On the other hand, maybe some of those once popular behaviors were done in an entirely different c… | /r/MensRights | 31/08/13 11:21 AM |
| 1 | Is *this* the result of over-medicating boys?With regards to over medication, I think its important to recognize it as just one symptom of the diseased way in which we are raising children these days (distant parents, public schools, and experts selling simple answers, Im looking at you). | /r/MensRights | 28/08/13 09:58 AM |
| 1 | On philosophy, patriarchy, hypoagency, hyperagency and being smarter about what we do.If it's not institutionalized then it's on a whole lower level of importance (doesn't mean it's not worth discussing, I'm not discussing it now). This sounds like one of those grand assumptions that's backed by nothing but terminology. "Institutionalized" sounds more important, and will sound even more so if one is coming from a perspective that puts a premium on officialdom, but what else backs up this idea that institutional problems are more important? Do these problems affect more people? Ar… | /r/MensRights | 26/08/13 02:14 AM |
| 1 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderIn most cases involving kids ages four and ten? Yeah, keep believing that, backing it up with nothing but wishful thinking. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 06:09 PM |
| 2 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderRead more of my comments, Im well aware of the fact that we don't know what happened, which is why Im not for assuming that this has been overblown, and I want to other possibility to be recognized. As for the four days in jail thing, have you seem the news? Four days in jail for rape is hardly the harshest treatment children are getting. Besides, when reports say "jail" they often mean other things when it comes to juveniles, so until I see the name of the facility in which she was held Im not … | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 04:25 AM |
| 1 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderOnly if your assuming this case wasnt rape, and that's a monstrous assumption. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 03:57 AM |
| 1 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderSo people do need to be taught not to rape after all, is that it? Edit, I've spent more than enough time on this thread and I think I've said my piece, I just wanted to point out the irony in the popularity of comments like your and this subs usual disapproval of anti-rape education. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 02:18 AM |
| 3 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderDespite what people would like, compacting the Netherlands to the US is more apples and oranges than apples to apples, and the difference in prison population is probably more the result of historical and demographic trends, as well as drug policy, than it is any difference in sex offender registration. About sex offender registration, just about anyone would prefer the limitations it imposes (which are often temporary popular memes notwithstanding) to being incarcerated. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 02:17 AM |
| 3 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderWell if that's all there was to that case, that was an abuse of the system. Not so much of the registry, but of the charge that led to being put on the registry. Understanding that distinction is important. In the end though, while I agree that there is room for improvement in these matters, you seem to be coming from a pretty rigid place ideologically that weakens your ability to make reasoned critiques or offer reasonable solutions. Im not trying to be condescending, but look at your last sent… | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 01:46 AM |
| 3 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderWith 50 different states and 50 different registries, I don't find your singular case very convincing. I think there is always room for improvement of course, but for one thing the registry is merely a reflection of criminal convictions. That's where the attention should be focused. I try not to give too much credence to horror stories, either. Its not fair to judge a thing on a few high profile failures without considering its (perhaps less public), successes. You could say Im concerned with th… | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 01:23 AM |
| 1 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderIt would be better to refer to it as rape, in terms of severe possibility, while other less damaging possibilities can be labeled appropriately, so long as you don't oversimplify the distinction by hinging it on something abstract and lacking in primary importance, even though such a tact may be comforting and convenient. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 12:55 AM |
| 1 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderAnyone who thinks that is racist probably is a philistine. Just kidding Cody ;) Its nice to see a little row like that resolved so positively on reddit. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 12:50 AM |
| -2 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderOh, its probably just some big conspiracy. Whoops, I forgot. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 12:44 AM |
| 3 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderRemember that the SOR registry isn't a singular thing in America, and is more of a state law issue. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 12:42 AM |
| 3 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderWhen regarding sex offender registration, we should keep in mind that Texas, like most states, have separate rules for juvenile offenders. Juvenile sex offenders, those who register on the basis of an adjudication of delinquent conduct, register until the 10th anniversary of the date on which the disposition of their case was made or the juvenile completes the terms of the disposition, whichever date is later. Juvenile sex offenders, those who register on the basis of a conviction or an order of… | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 12:40 AM |
| 0 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderThe dichotomy you used in your reasoning for understating is fallacious, that's all. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 12:32 AM |
| 0 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderIts only illustrative of your own fiction. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 12:20 AM |
| 0 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderGiven how little we know, other than what the legal system tells us, insisting on using a word like molest is also going to far, just in the opposite direction. Your examples of push and fondle vs you show me yours creates a false binary, and if you think those are the only two possibities, well, I almost envy your innocence. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 12:11 AM |
| 0 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderThis comment thread has really soured me on this sub. Most of the comments are ignorance masquerading as authority ("everybody knows" and the like). Basically, its just a bunch of people talking out their ass. Worse, many are clinging to the innocence of women myth. Males are much less likely to believed than females when they claim to be the victim of a sex crime, especially if the alleged perpetrator is female. Here, even in the men's rights' sub, everybody is so quick to assume that this boy … | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 11:55 PM |
| 2 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderDepending on the details of the situation, molest may in fact be a better word, but I doubt it. Molest tends to minimize the emotional trauma that is suffered by the victims of say, "sexual impropriety." There are many terms we could use, but we should be careful not to minimize crimes by using language that treats offenders gently at the expertise of their victims. "Force" itself is in no way an effectibe lone decider in these matters, as it gives the manipulative and clever offender one more w… | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 11:07 PM |
| 0 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderHave you met her, have you done risk assessments, interviews? The sex offender registry is there to allow people to protect themselves from dangerous individuals, who she may be, there are some very dangerous ten year olds out there, and therapy isn't a magic bullet that will automatically make her safe. The alternative to empowing people to know where potentially dangerous people are with a sex offender registry arent really that great. Can registries be improved? I think so. Should we give up … | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 07:27 PM |
| 4 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderAgain, we really don't know enough details to jump to conclusions. Doing so borders on moral panic and self righteous outrage. We don't know the conditions in which she was held, and for all we know therapeutic options could have been explored, and there probably was some risk assessment going on. We have to understand that secluding someone isn't always done to punish them. This young lady might have had access to other children who's well being was worth considering, and because this type of t… | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 07:17 PM |
| 3 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderI find it odd how many comments, in this sub of all subs, are saying something along the lines of "she was young, she didn't know better." Really? We don't know the details of what happened, but we do know that ten year olds really aren't that stupid or immoral. If they were, then shit, maybe we really do need to teach people not to rape. If we do need to do that, I say we start with the adults though, because not many ten year olds who do sexually harm others dont just come up with the idea of … | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 06:55 PM |
| 5 | 10-Year-Old Girl Accused Of Raping 4-Year-Old Boy Arrested And Could Become Sex OffenderYou point out that we don't know the details, but only after having jumped to the assumption that this is insane. Maybe it was consensual discovery, but at that age difference, there is often a power dynamic that prevents the possiblilty of meaningful consent. Granted, I don't think that approach taken by law enforcement will be proven tactful, but Im glad that this is being taken seriously. I was raped by a ten year old when I was four, which could weaken or strengthen my position, I suppose. C… | /r/MensRights | 11/08/13 06:46 PM |
| 1 | Explaining the female and male rape victim disparity.Good points, but they shouldn't matter all that much. Anyone getting raped is too many people being raped, and even if only one percent of rape victims were male then male victims would still matter. If men make up the minority of rape victims, so what? I thought we had moved past treating minorities like they don't matter or are less important. | /r/MensRights | 09/08/13 09:04 PM |
| 1 | Strategy talk: why not neutralize extreme feminists with a relentless dose of reason?I think your getting at something big here, and that's the need for men's rights supporters to define what victory looks like. Personally, I think the big problems facing men are cultural. Many men are affected by big, practical problems, but I think those are symptoms of the cultural problems that affect many more men, often subtly. Feminism is just one component of some potentially dubious trends, and they have affected things to such a base extent that many men have a hard time engaging in fo… | /r/MensRights | 06/08/13 02:27 AM |
| 1 | Strategy talk: why not neutralize extreme feminists with a relentless dose of reason?I think the general public is highly succecptable to emotional appeals, however, even emotional appeals require some kind of legitimacy to be effective. By being reasonable, by treating even the worst feminist with some level of respect, men's rights supporters can gain emotional legitimacy. Showing empathy, opening up, but being reasonable while doing so, may not change the hardcore feminist, but it will win over others. Feminism is not a monolith, and judging all those who are sympathetic to t… | /r/MensRights | 06/08/13 02:14 AM |
| 2 | Help me understand why so many people here are against circumcisionMay I ask how old you were when you were cut? | /r/MensRights | 05/08/13 04:28 AM |
| 3 | Books for teens.When your talking about topical non-fiction for teenage boys, especially anything close to self-help, your often talking about something teenage boys don't want to read (or something they want to pick out themselves). You might have luck with history and biography, but your not going to get everything you want in one book. You could touch on good leadership with a book on Admiral Nelson, or encourage moral fortitude and perspective by gifting Mans Search For Meaning, but even if you could find s… | /r/MensRights | 28/07/13 09:24 AM |
| 2 | "Don't be fooled, loneliness affects men too" - contrary to claims that women are worst affectedTHIS | /r/MensRights | 12/07/13 05:45 AM |
| 2 | 63yo man denied entry to Legoland, because he didn't have a child. Legoland says:"to protect the families and children that visit"Lego has a 30 percent stake in the parks, the branding is pretty tied together, and if I knew a kid that wanted to go to anything Lego, I would love to take them. Edit: Hmmm, not happy with my tone hear. I was trying to say that no, I won't boycott Lego products, but no, I won't boycott Legoland either. | /r/MensRights | 10/07/13 06:00 PM |
| 25 | 63yo man denied entry to Legoland, because he didn't have a child. Legoland says:"to protect the families and children that visit"I'm not going to boycot a great product that has made people happy for decades over one possible dick move. Sorry. | /r/MensRights | 10/07/13 07:05 AM |
| 9 | The idea that female oppression is worse than males' is irrelevant to admitting the existence of male oppressionWhenever I hear "group A has suffers from problem X more" I think its odd, because its usually advocating for someone's problem to be ignored because they are in the minority. Funny, I thought we weren't all about do discrimating against minorities. | /r/MensRights | 08/07/13 05:14 AM |
| 1 | My issue with this subYeah, lets just replace one overly simplistic liberal conspiracy theory with another. Good luck with that. | /r/MensRights | 06/07/13 08:02 PM |
| -3 | My issue with this subLook at your tone. Here you are reaching for the rhetorical top shelf, is it any wonder that women in places where they have it rough also reach for similar rhetoric? There are many places where women have it rough, there are places where men have it rough, and there are places where everyone has it rough. Given how feminism is often linked to women getting the right to vote, drive, learn and work, its not surprising that women who don't have those rights are attracted to it, which to them might… | /r/MensRights | 06/07/13 07:15 PM |
| 5 | My issue with this subHey, just a suggestion, take it or leave it, but I really don't think this person is deserving of downvotes. For one, they are opening their position up for discussion and disagreement. Two, their position has been and will be used again to dismiss men's issues, and having practice dealing with it will only help. Three, some are practicing dealing with that position already, and down voting a post isn't just down voting the poster, its essentially down voting all the replies. Four, going with th… | /r/MensRights | 06/07/13 06:15 PM |
| 5 | My issue with this subI think that's probably true to a superficial extent, but I don't think its true in a deeply human way. If your living in a place where women who are raped are killed by their own families, or are disfigured with acid for things we take for granted, and you use western feminist terminology or theory, your actually speaking about an experience vastly different than westerners using that same language to bitch about dick jokes. Context matters, and their is too much diversity in human context to s… | /r/MensRights | 06/07/13 06:08 PM |
| 7 | My issue with this subI have my own problems with this sub at times, but your complaint is one of hubris. None of us are responsible for everything that happens everywhere, that's nothing but a delusion of grandeur. Is it nice to help other when we can, yes, but we are first responsible for ourselves. Besides, helping others and dictating to others are very different things, and again the dividing line is usually one of megomaniacal self righteousness, or maybe as vanity disguised as guilt and sympathy. There once wa… | /r/MensRights | 06/07/13 05:56 PM |
| 3 | Why are women so bad at apologizing?They aren't. Some are, but not all. | /r/MensRights | 05/07/13 05:01 PM |
| 8 | Thought experiment: In a last ditch effort to better our rights and treatment men surrender their individuality to you and you now control every single man. What would you do?Id give them their indivuality back. | /r/MensRights | 05/07/13 04:57 PM |
| 1 | Gee thanks mensrights, now I can never be in a relationship or be around kids againNo, that is when the need is greatest. Otherwise, your just as bad. Otherwise, your letting other people decide what kind of person you are. | /r/MensRights | 01/07/13 05:09 PM |
| 1 | Gee thanks mensrights, now I can never be in a relationship or be around kids againThat's nothing but prejudice. Your not helping men with that. | /r/MensRights | 01/07/13 03:29 PM |
| 2 | Gee thanks mensrights, now I can never be in a relationship or be around kids againThat is not humanizing somebody. Learning how to judge people can be really important, but sooner or later trust will be a factor, and recognizing someone for being human, just like you, can help overcome doubts and differences. As I have said elsewhere in this thread, in life courage is a factor. Having had my own share of emotional scares, I have to say that loosening up my attachments to labels and reactionary self defenses has improved my life greatly, as Im more likely to be in the moment a… | /r/MensRights | 01/07/13 03:28 PM |
| 3 | Gee thanks mensrights, now I can never be in a relationship or be around kids againWell if he wants to have a relationship with a woman, humanizing women will go a long way. | /r/MensRights | 01/07/13 06:47 AM |
| 6 | Gee thanks mensrights, now I can never be in a relationship or be around kids againPeople can be master manipulators. If you want to take the blinders off, do it for both eyes. This will mean cutting the gender war crap, and if you really want to see the world it will mean the poop colored glasses will have to go. People can be freaking awful, but they can be the most wonderful things in existence. If you don't see that, your not looking, and that's your problem, not something wrong with women. Besides, are you really looking at people? Or are you looking at labels? Truth has … | /r/MensRights | 01/07/13 05:57 AM |
| 1 | Gee thanks mensrights, now I can never be in a relationship or be around kids againLife will always have risk, sometimes those risk may be bullshit, but nothing changes the fact that living well requires no small amount of bravery. Bitterness and cowardice are cheap, but you will only get what you pay for. | /r/MensRights | 01/07/13 05:38 AM |
| -2 | Why do so many people seem to hate us?Scrolling through the comments that see no wrong with this subreddit and the broader MRM, a missed opportunity for reflection and improvement if you ask me, they usual boil down to "because feminism!" If voiced by someone with the affect and hairline of the guy from Ancient Aliens, Men's Rights could get its own show about a single simplification that answers every problem. To some, this is all well and good, great even, because they really can't sleep at night for fear of feminism crawling out … | /r/MensRights | 28/06/13 09:08 AM |
| -1 | The Men's Rights Movement, Feminism and the trap of tribalism.Some people here identify very strongly as MRAs. How will they stop being an MRA when MRAs are no longer needed? | /r/MensRights | 26/06/13 02:44 PM |
| 1 | Both men and women suffer from shaming, but shame seems to play an outsized role in men's issues. Here is a great piece on shame and public policy.Spot on. | /r/MensRights | 22/06/13 03:30 PM |
| 1 | Both men and women suffer from shaming, but shame seems to play an outsized role in men's issues. Here is a great piece on shame and public policy.Well there are certainly brutes and their are certainly loners. The problem is that sometimes brutes are lionized. It may not always be the case, but bitterness and aggressiveness, divorced from any utility, are often seen as defining features in some people's ideas of masculinity. Maybe you have t came across that, I don't know. | /r/MensRights | 22/06/13 02:06 PM |
| 2 | Both men and women suffer from shaming, but shame seems to play an outsized role in men's issues. Here is a great piece on shame and public policy.I was thinking about something more than that, or that taken to the extreme. Even on this subreddit we have men calling other men weak for not being more hostile, or for being more diplomatic. I actually think MGTOW can be somehow linked to this at times. I suppose you could call it the scoundrel archetype, the man who's just out for himself is sometimes seen as more of a man than the man who is not. Granted, in fiction this is usually just a stage in a heros growth. The difficulty is in overcom… | /r/MensRights | 22/06/13 01:16 PM |
| 1 | Both men and women suffer from shaming, but shame seems to play an outsized role in men's issues. Here is a great piece on shame and public policy.I agree. On the other hand, there is also an ideas of masculinity, Im not sure how to best define it, that take the opposite tack, and values selfishness in men to the exclusion of things like empathy and cooperation. Then again, I think these opposites may be sides to the same coin. In terms of utility, sometimes the most useful servant is the one who doesn't know that he serves. | /r/MensRights | 22/06/13 12:51 PM |
| 2 | Both men and women suffer from shaming, but shame seems to play an outsized role in men's issues. Here is a great piece on shame and public policy.Its almost as if shame is the default setting for men in our culture. | /r/MensRights | 22/06/13 12:00 PM |
| 3 | A question about circumcision.As someone who was circumcised as a young child, not an infant, you might find my perspective interesting. Its a long story, but Ill try to keep it short. Its not easy to talk about, so that shouldn't be hard. Unhappy about the sexual abuse I was subject to, I started to have urinary track infections. They weren't a big deal, but my main abusive mother saw this as an opportunity to hurt me, which she thought I deserved, I was a man after all. This also made my problems my fault, to both me and t… | /r/MensRights | 20/06/13 07:04 PM |
| 1 | Not talking about feminismIYou point out an important issue, and posit an interesting response to it. I think the real problem is that people could start to see the world like this... http://m.quickmeme.com/meme/3ut2tp/ | /r/MensRights | 11/06/13 10:24 AM |
| 1 | It's shit like this that reduces our legitimacy as a groupEven if if is a troll, the best response would be for MRAs to clearly send a message that this kind of thing is not okay, and that these things not representative of the whole. Dismissing the entire issue as a conspiracy theory doesn't exactly do that, it creates a confirmation bias that puts a halt on movement self correction, and it plays into the hands of any would be conspirators. Also, does every question have to be answered with "but feminism is worse?" Hold that hammer long enough, and ev… | /r/MensRights | 10/06/13 07:46 AM |
| 2 | Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that there appears to be a cadre of faux MRA's, i.e. feminists trolling the new posts and down voting and concern trolling before posts hit the front page?Men's human rights movement. | /r/MensRights | 07/06/13 02:50 AM |
| 1 | Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that there appears to be a cadre of faux MRA's, i.e. feminists trolling the new posts and down voting and concern trolling before posts hit the front page?It would seem that the MHRM is at a crossroads. Will it be a closed system of sorts, exclusionary and dogmatic? Or will it be more open and inclusive? Both paths might be taken, but that would necessitate something of a schism. The claim of being a real MRA will likely become more tenuous than it already is, or it may become less representative of the movement at large. Perhaps the problem isn't faux MRAs, perhaps its that some people who care about this issue aren't headed in your preferred dir… | /r/MensRights | 07/06/13 12:30 AM |
| 8 | Is it just me, or does anyone else notice that there appears to be a cadre of faux MRA's, i.e. feminists trolling the new posts and down voting and concern trolling before posts hit the front page?I know what you mean. To me, "concern troll" is an oxymoron used as an easy means to delegitimize. | /r/MensRights | 07/06/13 12:16 AM |
| 1 | GWW speaks out about the WBB controversyHe did put that rather well. Thanks for sharing. | /r/MensRights | 06/06/13 09:16 AM |
| 1 | GWW speaks out about the WBB controversyI actually think that libertarianism, or what that means to me, could help men with there issues (and women, too!). It's just that Im seeing libertarianism being brought up more and more in men's rights circles, but Im seeing very few arguments for how it applies, or why, or why not, it would be helpful. Maybe I'll write a piece and share it here. | /r/MensRights | 06/06/13 08:31 AM |
| 1 | GWW speaks out about the WBB controversyWhile I don't think we can explain the current situation as having much to do with women wanting to get back at men, I appreciate the reply. I definitely think feminism shares much with the left, is left in many or most cases, and when zealotry come into play, both feminist and the ideological left tend to see themselves as soldering along on "the grand march." http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/marching-on-the-right-side-of-history/ Unfortunately, I see the same kind of kitsch at pla… | /r/MensRights | 06/06/13 07:14 AM |
| 2 | A Call to Arms: Us vs ThemI just got home from work, and I'm a bit frazzled, so Im not yet able to give your writing the attention it deserves. After I quick once over, I did want to go ahead and tell you that I really appreciate your point of view, and your sharing it. Bravo. | /r/MensRights | 06/06/13 05:08 AM |
| 2 | De-escalation: It's useful!Well said. In the context of men's rights dealing with feminism, I think this is especially true. If it turns into a shouting match, or a numbers game, or anything like that, the men's rights side has already lost. Many here seem to want to "beat" feminism, and thier own game, forgetting that the other side has a lot more players. | /r/MensRights | 05/06/13 04:13 AM |
| 2 | De-escalation: It's useful!Either that or internet addiction ;) | /r/MensRights | 05/06/13 01:20 AM |
| 3 | De-escalation: It's useful!Typing on my phone, I do that a lot. :) | /r/MensRights | 05/06/13 01:11 AM |
| 4 | GWW speaks out about the WBB controversyI don't think that libertarianism precludes collective action, or compassion, rather it encourages such things to be voluntary rather than compulsory. The strain of libertarianism you seem to be referring to has little to do with the political philosophy, and more to do with a charactature of it. Granted, since many vocal libertarians take far too much pride in that label, they will embrace that misconception if it makes them "more libertarian," especially since they can bemoan people "not being… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 11:37 PM |
| 2 | GWW speaks out about the WBB controversyCan someone point me to a good example of someone showing how libertarianism would help men? I don't doubt that it could, as I'm a bit of a libertarian sympathizer myself, but I've only seen "libertarianism" used divisively, or even as an appeal to authority, when it comes from MRAs. Libertarianism, like men's rights, is often just a matter of semantics, but I find both are too often used for personal identity politics of the worst kind, and less as ideas to be shared to help others. | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 10:55 PM |
| 3 | De-escalation: It's useful!I one of the larger problems facing western culture is that going along to get along is the easiest path to success. Confronting people with strong ideas, new ideas, or different ideas is not likely to be rewarded in many places, and confronting people with critiques will often be punished, one way or another. If anything people, men too if not most of all, are punished for being confrontational. This is exacerbated by the fact that this state of affairs makes it difficult to learn how to best b… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 10:21 PM |
| 3 | De-escalation: It's useful!I have to say I really like your advice, and hopefully I will be mindful enough to use it in the future. Sharing it here was something of a bold move, I might add. I think your suggestions could be especially helpful when third parties are considered. Giving someone you disagree with a way out might not be that tempting to some here, but if a third party sees this they will not only see your position as being reasonable, but they might even see it being partially confirmed by your opponent. Find… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 10:04 PM |
| 1 | Why do Universities in the United States deal with Rape Accusations?There are many different ways of looking at that whole situation, one of which is that he was all about letting people make thier own mistakes, he wasn't managing anybody. This takes the whole "perfection" and "cult appeal" away, leaving his message all the more pure. Great thinkers tend to be survived by lesser thinkers and charlatans, so its probably bet that whole mess came to light when it did, deligitimizing any who would take up his name as an appeal to authority, and allowing him to comme… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 09:07 PM |
| 1 | MRAs really should cut down on name-calling. It only helps our enemies.Well he didn't actually write books, he preferred writing and presenting briefs, which are available. Also, anything by Chet Richards is going to explain him very well, and in a context not exclusive to military strategy. William Lind and Chuck Spinney are also good for insights on Boyd. Here, try this page from Chets' site, http://slightlyeastofnew.com/439-2/ The links that don't have obviously martial titles are probably the most interesting, such as Destruction and Creation. http://fasttransi… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 08:43 PM |
| 1 | MRAs really should cut down on name-calling. It only helps our enemies.Perhaps. I don't assume the infallibility of my world view. Then again, you seem to prove my point, but that just might be incestuous amplification at my end. Or maybe your schoolyard mentality is just a result of you never growing up. | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 08:31 PM |
| 1 | MRAs really should cut down on name-calling. It only helps our enemies.Thanks for budging that much ;) Just to nitpick for one more moment, your reply gets into the issue of MRAs needing feminist, because your basically suggesting that MRAs don't have a big problem because feminist have a bigger problem. It's still looking at reality as defined by an us and them binary, and even then its allowing the them to set the points of reference. Just saying. Honestly though, thanks for listening. This is the best back and forth I've had on the subject, and while that gives … | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 11:20 AM |
| 2 | MRAs really should cut down on name-calling. It only helps our enemies.It's making anybody who disagrees at all into a potential enemy, which is fine for them because its more about the drama and romance of a climactic struggle narrative than it is about concern for the Everyman. Are there some who are out to get them? Probably, but that's being conflated into the world being out to get them. The problem with hyperbole, like propaganda, is that you might believe it. Getting into the issue of examples again, the MHRM tends to completely overplay the negative example… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 10:30 AM |
| 2 | MRAs really should cut down on name-calling. It only helps our enemies.Okay, I got ya. I added more to my comment and forget to add "edit," so when you said my last sentence we were thinking of two different things. Whoopsie. If there is anything wrong with the Rupublican Party it's the "nothing to see here, move along" attitude, where no matter how bad things get, the problem is democrats. Similarly, those in the MHRM seem to have a siege mentality, and I think that points to a broader attitude problem, where criticism seems to often be deflected before it is refl… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 10:02 AM |
| 1 | MRAs really should cut down on name-calling. It only helps our enemies.This is pretty much true of every identifier and group, but there seems to be a double standard about examples. Assuming Evil Pundit is a good debater, (which I don't doubt by the way, I just liked his comment) does that prove anything? Whenever someone shows an example of an MRA acting objectionably, there is a tendency to dismiss it as a one off thing, an singular anomaly not represntitive of the whole. There is some truth in this approach, although it goes too far to use such logic to dismiss… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 09:37 AM |
| 3 | MRAs really should cut down on name-calling. It only helps our enemies.This is where setting a good example comes into play. If too many set a bad example, things will go down hill fast. Rather than allowing those of whom you speak to hear better arguments, and to learn how to communicate better, poorly argued rants become en vogue, and they drown out the stronger messages. I feel like the MHRM should play close attention to how far the Repubican Party has fallen in the US, as its basically following thier contemporary strategy. Of course your premise is faulty in … | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 09:17 AM |
| 1 | MRAs really should cut down on name-calling. It only helps our enemies.It's amazing how frequently I've had people whom identify as MRAs try and use that label as one of authority, and then appeal to that authority as a way of ending all discussion. I'm a man, and as far as I'm concern that makes my perspective on men's issues fairly valuable. Thier is certainly an elitist stream in the MHRM, as there often is with other "movements" involving "activist," especially when the issue is framed as being a "battle," as those "fighting" it like to view themselves as the h… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 05:11 AM |
| 1 | Why do Universities in the United States deal with Rape Accusations?He's pretty controversial, often thought of as cultish, but Id read him for yourself. He certainly didn't manage those around him well, but I don't think he really tried. He wasn't one to want to be the boss of people. If anything, read him to be challenged. He encourages you to question your assumptions, even those you've adapted from reading him. His thoughts on wealth and the Buddha are particularly interesting, and applicable to modern economic and cultural issues. | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 04:05 AM |
| 1 | Why do Universities in the United States deal with Rape Accusations?Your perspective on the profit motive is one of the most interesting and best articulated I have been exposed to. Thanks for sharing. I'm very interested in Eastern thinking, the Tao included, but especially the playful iconoclast Osho. I think greed is in itself good, or at least has good properties, but I don't think our problem is greed, rather something akin to it. I don't think selfishness drives our worst excesses, rather insecurity and ego. Rather than enjoying wealth, people are addicted… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 03:53 AM |
| 1 | Why do Universities in the United States deal with Rape Accusations?A very strong analysis. This might be related, but I think part of the problem economically is that the West has become obsessed with increasing people's earnings, rather than lowering people's cost of living. This makes being stuck in a bad situations, or even a ghetto, this much worse. Its tough to get ahead when the goal post keeps moving farther away. I feel like this is the absolute wrong way to deal with poverty, as I think modern history has shown that this approach is akin to taking one … | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 03:32 AM |
| 1 | Why do Universities in the United States deal with Rape Accusations?I think we are heading in a more localized direction, whether we like it or not. The question is will we embrace that shift, or go through hell futiley resisting it. Your absolutely right about the European examples, and how they are often grossly misrepresented. One thing that's overlooked about these countries is how they are ethnically homogenous in comparison to us, which leads to a sense of community we only pretend to want when it can be used to justify more government. A big story that's … | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 03:02 AM |
| 1 | Why do Universities in the United States deal with Rape Accusations?As someone who believes in smaller government, I often hear the big government talking about the necessity of government, and that's used as reason for more. It's my opinion though that the largely government gets the more its focus drifts away from being able to do the bare necessities well, and I think the broken criminal justice system is a good example of this. In any case, I think the efficacy of government is more important than the size of it, and I don't like the idea of the a government… | /r/MensRights | 04/06/13 01:27 AM |
| 3 | Why do Universities in the United States deal with Rape Accusations?That's a damn good question. What ever happened to a functioning court system? | /r/MensRights | 03/06/13 11:37 PM |
| 1 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.Sunshine is the best disinfectant I suppose. I think rebelling from unhealthy norms and talking to people in good faith goes a long way, as does living by example. Of course before you address anything it takes some hard thinking to decide what needs addressed. I know my prescription isn't a quick fix, and its not going to lead to perfection, but I think realistically there are a lot of good people who are willing to listen if you are actually wanting to be heard. I guess part of my issue with t… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 04:47 AM |
| 1 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.It sounds kind of silly, but it was an ad for Givenchi that showed an affluent man in the rain holding an umbrella at arms length to cover a distant looking hot chick, with the tagline "gentlemen only." People on this sub were defending that kind of expectation, going to so far as to say that they couldn't fit under the umbrella together because the man might be too scary for that kind of proximity. It probably wasn't the best example of misandry, but I was trying to make the point that the prob… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 04:09 AM |
| 0 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.Probably, and there is nothing wrong with that, but it seems to go deeper. Here's my thoughts on the same now deleted thread about what might be the real cause, in case you didn't see it. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1fcwsm/mras_please_dont_make_yourselves_look_stupid/ca93sip | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 01:32 AM |
| 1 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.So you want people to accept your your points but you seem pretty not to want to accept theirs. I'd think about that. Thans for the reply. Just for the record, I don't consider myself a feminist. | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 12:05 AM |
| 1 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.What evidence? Don't you see how your being hard headed about this? That's fine I guess, good luck to ya, I'm pretty much done with this sub anyways. | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 11:45 PM |
| 1 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.How has Elam been very effective? And if it has, are we sure it will continue to be? Charging across no mans land was hugely successful WWI, until you got shot. | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 11:38 PM |
| 1 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.Basically, no one should state thier opinions, as its telling you what to think. | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 11:36 PM |
| 2 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.Talk about a false dichotomy. You can listen to other people's opinions, weigh them, and if they make weight you can integrate thier opinions and yours, in any proportion. At the very least, you can try to understand the opinions of people you disagreement, and that understanding can improve communication, compassion, and that might even influence thier opinions. This is how people relate and grow. It's not a waste of time. | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 11:25 PM |
| 1 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.Wonderfully put. | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 11:20 PM |
| 0 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.Does every issue have to come back to the "we're better than the feminist" malarkey? That's not the real issue here, and if it was, just being better than "the bad" guys doesn't make you "the good guys." In general, there is not all that much healthy discussion here, not that I have seen. Maybe you've seen differently, or have a different idea what constitutes healthy discussion. Yes, people are "allowed" to state anything here, but just. If that statement is at all outside the, to my mind, narr… | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 10:53 PM |
| -1 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.An humble apology gets down votes? Oh Reddit! Seriously though, other men's groups and websites have been so labeled. The veracity of said label is up for debate, but generally speaking the broader men's rights movement does have this particular image problem. | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 10:40 PM |
| 0 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.Well, I suppose men's rights could spend half as much time and effort counter balancing those voices as is spent trying to police "concern trolls." | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 10:36 PM |
| 0 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.Historically speaking, Christianity itself is highly diverse even. I think the issue here is an unrecognized elitist worldview. To the likes of Typhon Blue, feminism is defined by the elites who describe themselves as such. Those with government ties, those in acadamia, those with book deals, those are the femenist, and they define feminism for all the little people. Since the little people don't matter per say, they must just be echoes of the elites who do, right? Hence the obsession of univers… | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 10:34 PM |
| -2 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.Great post. Also, is it just me or is there a tendency in the men's rights movement to make college the absolute center of the universe? | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 10:16 PM |
| 1 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.The gaming reddit, THE GAMING REDDIT, had a more productive back and forth over the XBox One controversy that the men's rights reddit can have about its own discourse. When gamers are more willing to engage in discussion and self reflection than MRAs, its time to strip off the righteous indignation and look in the mirror. The lack of diverse thinking here should clue you all in. | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 10:09 PM |
| 0 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.This is a good example of why the men's rights crowd needs to hear these kind of criticism. The thinking of many here has become far too "inwardly focused." According to strategist John Boyd, being turned inward is the best way to loose. You talk about "feminist theory," and I'm not even going to argue with you on that. The problem is that feminism, as many MRAs understand it, has nothing to do with what the word feminism means to mass amounts of other people. The external meanings of the word o… | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 09:42 PM |
| 0 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.That's not controlling discourse, its engaging in it. | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 09:16 PM |
| 1 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.Could you explain what you mean by concern troll? It comes across, to me at least, as one of those terms that exist solely for easy delegitimization. On its face the term oxymoronic, for trolling and actually having a concern are mutually exclusive. Maybe a concern isn't objectively valid, but that wouldn't preclude it from being subjectively genuine. If someone comes to a community with a concern, the classy response would be to address it in good faith, even if someone elses similar concern ha… | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 09:05 PM |
| 0 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.One upvote was more than I expected. I just wanted to comment to give your post some support. I just don't see how openly discussing these things, or how stepping back and reaccessing assumptions and behaviors, is at all a bad thing. | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 08:56 PM |
| 0 | This article & website are disgusting. Imagine how much public outcry it would receive if it were teaching men how to destroy/ruin/obliterate/etc women's vaginas...I'm pretty sick of the general cultural trend where being mean spirited is considered funny. It's so EDGY! | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 08:53 PM |
| 1 | MRAs, please don't make yourselves look stupid.But, fuck thier shit up, and and stuff. In my limited experience here, and elsewhere for that matter, thier are some people who indentify way to strongly as MRAs, and they seem think that status confers to them exclusive say over men's issues. It's not surprising that this group, who does act very much as a group, presents themselves as the face men's rights. Never mind that this face is rather ugly. The knee jerk othering and enmity for which this group is becoming know for will probably preclu… | /r/MensRights | 30/05/13 08:44 PM |
| 1 | The truth is incorrect - Pat Condell on Progressives vs LiberalsThe thing that worries me about multi culturalism isnt the idea of multiple cultures. Its the idea that these must exist anywhere and everywhere, and I fear the end result will not be a multicultural world, but a monocultural one. I have similar reservations about current trends in gender politics. Im not at all concerned about both genders being able to have carreers, my fear is that everyone will be expected to. Stay out home spouses and parents, who needs them. We need a bigger state for that… | /r/MensRights | 21/05/13 11:49 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't Chris Hansen promote treatment?I think thats a good question, but thats really getting into prison reform in general, and is not at all specific to this kind of offender. I also wouldnt blame Chris Hansen for a broken prison system. But again, its not like people cant be proactive in thier own healing. Do I wish thier was more help and healing along with just a generally better enviornment in our prisons? Definately. Then again, I also see healing as starting with the individual, and someone who is actively pursuing sex with … | /r/MensRights | 19/05/13 06:21 PM |
| 1 | Why doesn't Chris Hansen promote treatment?Im all for trying to rehabilitate, but these are dangerous people who need to be kept from hurting people until they are rehabilitated. Of course, rehabilitation is not guarenteed. Treatment is not something that is just done to somebody, not if its going to be effective. People need to want to heal in order for treatment to work. Once public safety is ensured, Im all for people being able to recieve treatment if they want it, and it should be encouraged. Of course, if they wanted treatment they… | /r/MensRights | 19/05/13 08:16 AM |
| 2 | New research shows that female college student drinkers exceed NIAAA guidelines for weekly drinking more frequently than their male counterparts.Im willing to assume Im missing something, so how is this really a mens issue? | /r/MensRights | 18/05/13 06:38 AM |
| 3 | A man refusing sex? I'll just bite off your penis.Beyond this specific horror, the most telling thing is that he hasnt brought charges. | /r/MensRights | 18/05/13 05:37 AM |
| 5 | Feminism Contra FeminismNot having the energy to properly reply at this time, I just want to say thanks for sharing something so well thought out and well worded. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/13 07:56 AM |
| 0 | I saw this in a magazine today...Good job. | /r/MensRights | 16/05/13 07:35 PM |
| 2 | I saw this in a magazine today...Its obvious he could be under there too, at least mostly. Its not like Im going on an obscenity filled rant about it or calling for a boycott of Gavinche. I was just wanting to share a cultural example of questionable gender expectations. I think the problem here is that MRAs are too focused on the political, rather than the cultural, to the extent that they are seperate. I also think that there is an addiction to outrage, and anything that doesnt provoke it is deemed unimportant. Thats just my … | /r/MensRights | 16/05/13 09:09 AM |
| 2 | I saw this in a magazine today...Why not hundle under the umbrella together? Is he too scary and threatening to be close? Or is the message as much that men should stand out in the rain as it is that women should be kept dry. Still, the sexual dynamic between to two, though very subtle, is the most interesting aspect to me, but its open to interpretation. | /r/MensRights | 16/05/13 08:34 AM |
| 3 | I saw this in a magazine today...Because the expectations put on men are sometimes more subtle and incedius than rad fem shenanigans and more widely spread than campus protests. Personally I think the small, day to day things in out culture negatively affects a broader group of men than do scandals and cause celebs. Maybe this doesnt provoke shocking and satifying amounts of moral outrage, but if you bothered to observe whats that ad is saying to people you might find it interesting. I thought it was, and that my friend is how … | /r/MensRights | 16/05/13 08:12 AM |
| 1 | Tired. So fucking tired.Thank you for sharing. Given your history, I honestly wonder if your beong drawn to people that hurt you. Im not blaming you if you are. You have been abused, and thats probably entailed being groomed and manipulated. I spent years searching for attention from people like those that had hurt me before. That behavior is like a scab that is hard to pull off. I probably dont know what Im talking about. I dont know you. I do know what its like to hurt for years. I hope you heal, and I hope you want … | /r/MensRights | 16/05/13 05:04 AM |
| 0 | Unhealthy views of male sexuality, and the harmful effect they have on men.Bravo | /r/MensRights | 14/05/13 09:05 PM |
| 1 | Destroying a man's life over $13When I made my comment the origional comment from hands789 was enjoying upvotes. Maybe the down votes came after he wished death upon someone. That certainly deserves down votes, although in my opinion the down vote mechanism is seriously overused for the most part, but thats reddit for you. On the other hand, other comments supporting his have gotten up votes, while comments calling hands789 out got more downvotes than hands789s origional comment. We can argue the scale of the problem, but what… | /r/MensRights | 13/05/13 09:11 PM |
| -3 | Destroying a man's life over $13And yet whenever you try and talk to MRAs about how they come across hating women they pretend that these comments dont exist. And then the circle jerk and down vote you for bringing it up. | /r/MensRights | 13/05/13 01:56 AM |
| 18 | Some girls took it upon themselves to post these flyers around the school today. What does /r/mensrights think about them?The past, present, and future of our species is determined in large part by our sexuality. Bring on the skimpy clothes, and the resulting arousal. | /r/MensRights | 10/05/13 11:11 PM |
| 7 | Stupid, male-shaming article on porn implies men will force their wives into some kind of sex slaveryAny time I hear someone talk about porn and healthy/realistic/normal sexual expectations, Im pretty sure Im listening from someone whos bad in bed, unsatisfied, and uncomftorable with desire. They are pissed off that not everyone is like them, so they know it too. Just generalizing, and its not always true, but porn has helped me grow as a lover and as a person. Sure its brought some stuff up to the surface that Ive had to deal with. Thank God! Self discorvery and self acceptance are messy. Like… | /r/MensRights | 08/05/13 01:44 AM |
| 3 | Buzzfeed Article Comment Calling For CastrationOur society really gets off on punishment, doesnt it? Except the consensual bedroom kind. Thats considered bad. | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 11:36 PM |
| 2 | Abuse hotline uses technology in an attempt to reach suffering children directly, doesnt treat abuse as a gendered phenomenon.Wasnt sure if this story fits here, but I wanted to share some good news. They do a great job at portraying abusers as those who hurt children, keeping gender out of it. They do use a boy for the example of the abused, but hopefully that just encourages boys to recognize thier plight, I dont think that would turn off any girls from getting help. Its just a hotline add, so its just a start, but hopefully its a good start for this organization. | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 09:27 PM |
| 1 | Not allowed to express opinionIt sounds like your a really deep thinker, and a free thinker at that. They will try to change you. They will not succeed. :) | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 06:53 PM |
| 1 | To all MRA: Not all women are against men's rights. I am on your side.Having such a sure and omnipotent perspective must not hurt either. | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 07:30 AM |
| 1 | To all MRA: Not all women are against men's rights. I am on your side.Predictable. Im sure your very happy. | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 04:33 AM |
| 1 | To all MRA: Not all women are against men's rights. I am on your side.Maybe she just doesnt want to be associated with asshats like you. Are you just looking for enemies to make? Seriously your acting like a self rightous jerk makes mens rights look like jerks, and I cant blame anyone for wanting to distance themselves from the reactionary hard heads that only get in the way of real issues. | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 03:12 AM |
| 1 | To all MRA: Not all women are against men's rights. I am on your side.Hopefully your place is that of a human being, both quite similar and quite different from all of us other human beings. We are an awesome bunch :) Did you mean that your place was that of being subject to all of the cultural factors, good bad or ugly, that most women are subject to? That place would put you in a slightly different place than most men. Even though the differences are small when compared to what we all have in common, they get overblown into gender wars all too often. So, if that… | /r/MensRights | 06/05/13 07:37 AM |
| 3 | Interesting take on Paul Elam's notion that all rape trials should see jury nullificationI kind of felt creepy reading that, and it wasnt even though provoking. If anyone does want to get into advocating nullification, they should start by understanding what it is and how that would work. | /r/MensRights | 06/05/13 07:19 AM |
| 1 | One of the most frustrating things about being male.Good points. I think part of the frustration comes not being allowed to show different aspects of your personality, and you can get flack for showing one side of yourself when you have already shown another. Even if each part of your personality would be deemed acceptable in isolation, we are denied freedom of emotional movement. Our culture often struggles with the multi-faceted man. The term "lover and a fighter" is often used as praise, but often our world would see ones' inner lover as a wea… | /r/MensRights | 06/05/13 06:33 AM |
| 1 | I'm sorry, I came here against you, and 2 weeks of reading has opened my eyes. A recent conversation with a feminist friend has me livid right now. (BIG fucking wall of text)All men should have a right to classic mens fashion, which men have been rocking for generations. Like the fedora ;) | /r/MensRights | 06/05/13 06:12 AM |
| 1 | Men's Rights in Parks and Rec?I think the shift in the show Castle from season 1 to season 2 is a great, as in horrible, example of sudden and severe man hate on TV. I wonder how much of that was demographic shifts, how much was the cast and crew, and how much of it was me starting to notice. Ive also seen shows ruined by generational issues, as well as gender ones. Whenever a show loses sympathy for its main charachter, I brace myself. Sometimes shows try to hard to be deep, and its just goes out of the makers' depth. | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 08:49 AM |
| 2 | By framing men's rights issues as a war waged by women against men...you become a mirror image of the gender polarising feminists you despise.The MHRM needs to take these kinds of critics a little more seriously. The poster cycle of fist was good enough to conceed that thier complaint was not true of the movement as a whole, and thier concern seemed to be for the MHRM. They were being diplomatic, they deserve the same. The ability to communicate is useless without the desire to actually communicate, and in good faith. The perspictive of the poster might not be shared by those here, but thats no reason to assume thier perspective has n… | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 07:57 AM |
| 2 | [AVFM] We are the radicals nowThanks for the reply. I see you left "1. of or going to the root or origin; fundamental: a radical difference" out of your definition (from dictionary.com right?). Now according to some definitions your absolutely right. However, I was using "radical" in the fundamental sense, as I meant to imply by using the word "root," the latin of which gives us the "radical," from radix. Things like questioning male disposability may indeed be reaching deep into our cultures roots, and I would agree that is… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 08:20 PM |
| 1 | [AVFM] We are the radicals nowThe idea that the MHRM needs to be radical, at least in part, for the sake those "really hurt by feminism" has appeared both here and elsewhere. I find it fundamentally flawed to describe the radical wing of the mens rights community as being a needed place for those who have been "really hurt by feminism." I also find it flawed to describe said wing as "radical." In claiming something akin to ownership over those hurt by feminism, the scope of mens issues is given to but one aspect of but one g… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 10:19 AM |
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