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Wasting money? Someone's projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:22 PM
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Mad about you having had sex for money? Not likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:20 PM
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Holy projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:17 PM
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It has a correlation with IQ but it's not what I said anyway - read the comment again and pay closer attention to the words and their meanings.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:27 PM
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My apologies, I didn't realize your comments also have an expiration date.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:24 PM
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I was at a family gathering today and noticed how the women wanted to talk about this and that with one another, meanwhile the men were mostly sitting to the side and chatting about very task-oriented things like horse betting and car engines and shit Yeah, the thing is it's MUCH easier to have non-superficial, moderate to high IQ talks with guys. For example, I recently read a book on habit formation and when we gathered at my friend's place to play DnD (about 15 people) guess how many girls ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:03 PM
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There are lots of guys who also like to wear clothes that show skin and emphasise their muscular bodies in order to look attractive to gals. Like what? You can't show much skin as a guy beyond your calves, arms and neck regardless of the clothes you wear. If you mean tight clothes, then those are more suited for gym compared to baggy ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:51 PM
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It doesn't mean what you think it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:48 PM
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No, they just have less reason to be a good partner because women like them either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:46 PM
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> If living with a man, by default, is an incredibly bad deal and likely to get you screwed over, it's only logical to look for traits that indicate that you'll be less likely to be screwed over. It's very valid to point that out. It doesn't make sense - a man's height can't screw a woman over, it just affects how attracted she is to him in the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:45 PM
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It's a symptom of the problem, not the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:24 PM
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Then we would have definitely seen a female version of Tate be even MORE POPULAR than Tate. I was explaining why there's no female loneliness epidemic, not Tate. Congratulations. You just explained why people specifically focus on men. No, I just explained why there's no female Andrew Tate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:11 PM
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What's the percentage of them vs those who ask for honesty?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 10:40 AM
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Right, but again, men are more honest about what they prioritize and prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:28 AM
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I've never seen Female Loneliness Epidemic being talked about in the news. I have never heard women make a female equivalent of Andrew Tate popular Because society has much lower social standards for women so they struggle socially less. And because society panders to women's issues, therefore they feel heard and aren't as prone to radicalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:25 AM
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To you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:23 AM
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Women of all races prefer white men, it's not just about money and sometimes it's not even the main aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:21 AM
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Not exotic, most women simply prefer white men regardless of their own race.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:20 AM
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It's not just US dollars. If you're a white guy you will have an enormous advantage in an asian country where your competition is primarily asian men without taking financial aspect into account.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:19 AM
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I wrote it in plain english.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:16 AM
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Women prioritize man's money over a man's profession, duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:14 AM
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Conservative women are less likely to have tattoos, piercings, green / blue / purple hair, body hair etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:12 AM
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It's stupid to think that everyone will give you honest and ready answer. It's part of socialization to see this and navigate this. He navigated that well by identifying lies. Or should he just trust women's words by default?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 07:09 AM
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Just like some women think that because their grand grand mother wes oppressed they deserve privileges now? Tell me about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:37 AM
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Faces only become subjective starting at roughly 7/10 on the scale, where some people will prefer softer / more feminine looking faces and some people will prefer rougher / more masculine looking faces. The base parameters, e.g. skin quality, facial symmetry, harmony etc. are all universal. 99.9% of people will prefer a well developed jaw over a recessed jaw, clear skin over acne ridden skin etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:33 AM
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Only a small percentage of radical blackpillers believe that being short means you can never experience genuine desire. The actual rational truth that most men come to is short guys have to date less attractive women on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:28 AM
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For succeeding in social situations, which includes dating. You can do both indeed, but you have to give priority to the best ROI activities.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:04 PM
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If the reason didn't matter you wouldn't state it to begin with. Improving social skills is obviously a good thing but doesn't have as much ROI as improving looks for example, so it's not a universally good advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:47 PM
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I didn't disagree that men struggle more than women, I disagreed with your reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:38 PM
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Yeah looksmaxxing doesn't quite capture the strategy at its core, which is frauding your genetic quality at the end of the day. Women's biological goal is securing best genes for their offspring, so wearing makeup is quite literally useless if you're a guy because it's immediately known. Sneakily wearing shoe lifts however, increases your appeal. Getting a natural looking result from surgery and not disclosing it again increases your appeal. The goal for guys is to appear to have the best geneti…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:34 PM
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Young women are the same, society simply has lower standards for women and they can get away with a lot more social mistakes than men can.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:26 PM
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Yes, I'd say it only applies to far left.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:23 PM
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First you said they'd still be trans in a social vacuum, now you're talking about different cultures which is not the same. We need records of hermits becoming trans for your argument to be correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:22 PM
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Trans people would still desire changes to their body in a (mostly) social vacuum So you base your entire argument on a hypothesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:17 AM
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I never said you hate men, I said you way underrate men's personalities and way overrate women's personalities. I am thinking the issue is guys really underestimate how attractive they have to be for enough women to tolerate their awful personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:15 AM
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Our experiences are different then. It's not uncommon for leftists to shame men for preferring hairless bodies for instance from what I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:12 AM
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Women's stated and revealed preferences are not the same. In general, women are not interested in helping men get laid left and right, they are interested in training desirable men to be convenient to have relationships with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:41 PM
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It's usually done by leftists who pretend to think that it's immoral to be attracted to high-maintenance / conventionally attractive traits. They of course are still going to jerk off to or sleep with people possessing those traits, but them social approval points and reddit karma ain't gonna farm itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:32 PM
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They are usually focusing on forming conventionally attractive traits which is what most women find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:05 PM
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It's not an argument, it's a question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:04 PM
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It's a very significant portion of couples. And you haven't responded to the second part.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:15 PM
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We? Most of the time when I see a woman talk about male looksmaxxing they say that those men are insecure / don't understand female gaze / looksmaxxing won't help them get girls / they need to improve their personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:13 PM
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He also said he was gonna do leg lengthening surgery - guess what, it's all said to dupe normies who fall for flashy quotes and take everything literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:01 PM
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What exactly is a scam? Orthodontics / skincare / dieting / working out / cosmetic surgeries?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:59 PM
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Looksmaxxing is a part of self-improvement, so no I haven't transformed anything. Yeah you also study to advance in your career because you dislike having average salary and wish it was higher - is studying insecure too?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:57 PM
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It worked out for me. Grift or scam is how lazy people justify staying mediocre.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:55 PM
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Even Clav doesn't say that - he says among the defining factors looks are the easiest for an average person to improve - wealth is much harder to ahieve for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:51 PM
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Qoves, Rorz, K Shami, Aesthetics Waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:49 PM
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Yeah neurodivergence doesn't help with attracting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:47 PM
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Women love guys who are genetically good looking, not those who achieved good looks with effort - they view it as trying hard and frauding.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:46 PM
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Because that's what gets attention from normies, not because it's what actually is effective for improving looks. Still super risky. Self-improvement isn't insecure, that's an assumption on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:45 PM
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That's not looksmaxxing, that's being dumb. Gender transition also involves that, with an addition of cutting your dick off. There are levels to stigmatization. Males are shamed much more. Nobody is owed a party for getting work done indeed. But nobody should be shamed for improving their looks either, but women do it all the time and call it such men insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:38 PM
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No thats a common take here. Even if that is so (I haven't been reading it much lately), this sub isn't representative of average people. Ariana Grande is a cunt but she still gets men. Jeremy Meeks is a criminal and still gets women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:34 PM
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This sub has a few people with unconventional takes, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that they are supported by general trends outside of niche reddit communities. I would appreciate more substance in your comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:22 PM
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Looksmaxxers - at least all the influencers- are on illicit substances and pursing alt medicine. Clav is on substances because he's an introverted neurodivergent whose primary source of income is centered around recording himself being in public places talking to people, but he's not "all influencers". No one really cares if you want to lose weight and get a nose job. More power to ya. Losing weight? Sure. Male cosmetic surgeries are extremely stigmatized tho, pretending otherwise is very dising…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:04 PM
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When people talk about looksmaxxing, they mostly talk about softmaxxing. Hardmaxxing is pretty niche and socially stigmatized, so it would be weird to think that it's more popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:59 AM
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Most couples form online so that's a questionable take. Also one is yet to explain why the type of men collecting most matches doesn't correlate with the type of men most women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:42 AM
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We can even disregard that gaining muscle, losing fat, fixing your bite etc. makes you more healthy. But even purely cosmetically, being better looking makes you more mentally healthy - just compare an average personality of a person who grew up as an uggo vs an average personality of someone who grew up good looking. Viewing wanting to be more attractive to others as something negative is also laughable. Gender transition is also more risky than 99% of looksmaxxing advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 09:21 AM
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What could be funnier than watching a bluepilled liberal tie themselves in knots in attempt to explain why looksmaxxing is unhealthy and bad but gender transition is wholesome and empowering?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 08:57 AM
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The issue is women attach negative personality traits to men who say things that upset them. They also way overestimate how pleasant their own personalities are in comparison to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 08:53 AM
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Looks are cool but focusing only on them is why so many young men today are struggling. Most men in US are overweight, how are they "only focusing on looks" if they fail to meet the most basic looks standard, i.e. being at optimal weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 08:49 AM
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It's a very socially acceptable narrative that men tolerate all kinds of shit from hot women. It only causes issues and incel accusations when the reverse is said.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 08:47 AM
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You can't get laid based on dick size alone, just like a man won't date a woman based on her nose shape alone. Doesn't mean those things aren't important.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 08:45 AM
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The comment was in response to the OP. So those 2 people were discussing general trends and you went in with the individual argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:39 PM
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The claim was in response to the OP, so again general trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:05 PM
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The OP is about country, or rather hemisphere level trends, not an individual one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:56 PM
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Growing up in a Western country doesn’t mean someone’s life has been privileged. It does it the vast majority of cases and people usually discuss things based on general trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:41 PM
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Men tell women that they are worthless unless they are skinny, pretty, and 25. Don't worry - women think of men the same way with the addition of financial success, they just virtue signal about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:41 PM
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have crippling insecurity Yet they want a confident man. Talk about double standards lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:27 AM
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Ignoring the fact that in most cases "objectification" boils down to some guy sexualizing a random half naked woman on the internet, I literally said in the very first comment that the objectified needs to be attractive for it to be pleasant and we were discussing sexual objectification, since that's what women complain about and is the point of the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:39 AM
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I said the person needs to be attractive in the very first comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:33 AM
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Could also be that whatever you think it entails is in fact your fantasies. Something to think about.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:19 PM
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Yeah except in most cases you can't prove that there is contempt, making the objectification claim invalid.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:16 PM
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You claimed nobody wants to feel like an object and I debunked your theory, what's there to realize.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:13 PM
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People not liking to be objectified by someone they don't find attractive isn't news? That's what I just said. Perhaps it's new to you that there are people who don't like being objectified even by attractive people Hence I said "usually".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:13 PM
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At this stage in my life idc, but I guess it would be preferrable at the settling down age.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:54 PM
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Usually the reason is not the objectification itself but the unattractiveness of the objectifier.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:48 PM
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I get enjoyment out of being sexually desirable in itself. That said, in most cases when someone says objectification on the internet it simply means sexual attraction but through a modern buzzword since women like being victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:46 PM
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Used sexually, yes, since that's the topic of the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:30 PM
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I consider myself a part of people and I love getting objectified, provided the objectification is done by an attractive person, that's what really matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:07 PM
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No, the worst advice would be to get worse looking and that's why so many men are struggling.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:04 PM
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There aren't any dots there to connect, you probably meant to reply to someone else's comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:56 PM
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It's only suited for logically valid discussions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:04 PM
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Not sure what that's supposed to be a response to but alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:58 PM
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I worded my statements very simply and concisely, so if you can't understand them that's on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:55 PM
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What aspect of my statement(s) requires explanation?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:54 PM
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Yes, that was my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:53 PM
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So basically appealing to emotions instead of logic, how predictable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:52 PM
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So? It's still optional.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:49 PM
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That is a better wording to get your point across.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:49 PM
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Physiological, not psychological lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:46 PM
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I'm pretty sure sex is not a need as women like to tell men. It's also likely that most of the unwanted pregnancies happen due to not using proper protection but that's more arguable I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:45 PM
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That's not reproductive burden, that's physiological burden. I have testosterone burden too in that case.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:43 PM
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Undercutting how?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:41 PM
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But you don't agree that motherhood is optional? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:41 PM
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Reproductive burden is optional and you have more reproductive rights than a man does. Orgasm gap exists because most women are passive in bed while most men put in effort to achieve orgasm. Motherhood is optional. Beauty standards exist on both sides and men's are more tied to genetics than women's, e.g. height vs weight. Physical weakness is not that big of a deal since there are guns and other equalizers. I wouldn't wanna be a woman tho due to a narrower fertility window.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:35 PM
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Only 30% of men are single, so 70% of men are dating someone right at this moment. Attractive women date attractive men, an average guy will be invisible to them most of the time. What % of men in elder care facilities are single?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:46 PM
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I know what you meant, and I was responding to the relevant version. If most men are dating fat or ugly or old women, then men don't have the high standards you claim they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:58 PM
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This is not a fact. You can tell by looking at actual dating couples; loads of women are not with “top 80%” men. You realize you just debunked your previous point considering that most men also date average (fat or ugly) women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:29 AM
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Women want taller men more than men want shorter women I mostly agree with that point, but most women will still be more pleased to find out that the guy they got into bed with is bigger than average. Penetrative sex is still extremely important to women. Men can reach an orgasm without boobs, ass and even face - it doesn't mean those things don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:25 PM
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All the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:18 PM
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The reason why most women do not waste time thinking or caring about this is because the size of a man’s penis does not correlate to how good a partner or lover he is, how good the sex will be, how good the relationship will be If that was the case women also wouldn't waste time caring about height, but that's not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:45 AM
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Most women don't prefer average anything - be it height, face, income or dick size.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:43 AM
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So, same as women and makeup, hair extensions, boobs, ass etc then?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:41 AM
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Can you provide examples? Not sure what redpill has to do with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:22 PM
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Men are pretty open about it, virtue signaling about sexual preferences is typically a woman thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:58 PM
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So, same as women then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:43 PM
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Covering the check is one of the least effective ways to stand out for a guy. First off, if a better looking more charismatic guy turns up she will most likely pick him even if he never paid for her as opposed to you. Second of all, you have to do that every time you go on a date with each woman, meanwhile investing that money into yourself gives you a permanent attractiveness bonus without having to spend any money on individual women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:40 AM
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By your logic everyone should ask Elon Musk for life advice, but redditors lose their shit when someone speaks positively of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:15 AM
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Women: "Confidence, compatibility, humor, shared values, emotional intelligence, physical attraction, and a hundred other factors." Men: "No, you actually only care about height." That's a strawman, women just don't like when someone brings up actual data proving that women lie about their preferences and priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 08:14 AM
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Women aren't ready for it either - they get really upset when a concept of looksmatch is brought up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:58 AM
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I'm 2 steps ahead of you, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:52 AM
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Neither did you following your logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:45 PM
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No it's because sex is just more enjoyable than most things in this world, at least to some people due to their brain chemistry - you'll just have to accept that somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:43 PM
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Two things can be true at the same time - ice coffee is validating but sex with attractive women is even more validating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:43 PM
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Your comment above.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:40 PM
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Yes, a ton of people try to show off with the exotic stuff they eat or the places they eat in. You won't see women criticizing that though. You also haven't explained why seeking validation from sex specifically is trashy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:40 PM
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It it supposed to prove that the very first sentence of the comment I was responding to is wrong according to women themselves. Or do you not trust women's words?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:37 PM
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Stop playing the victim, nobody is blaming women. Most of the time they just got unlucky with genetics, it's not anybody's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:40 PM
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Not sure how you arrived to that conclusion, care to elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:39 PM
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People do all those things for both ego and enjoyment, that's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:32 PM
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If their insecurities come from being unattractive to women, then that would fix those.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:31 PM
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People do all of the aforementioned things for both ego and enjoyment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:30 PM
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Yet there's not a single argument why.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:30 PM
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Enjoy. https://imgur.com/a/womens-casual-partners-are-way-more-physically-attractive-than-long-term-partners-husbands-TViyiCJ
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:51 PM
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Do you have any idea how much dopamine you get from sex, let alone sex with different women as a man? Do you know what Coolidge effect is?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:50 PM
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Do you have any idea how much dopamine you get from sex, let alone sex with different women as a man? Do you know what Coolidge effect is?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:50 PM
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What makes it fragile in comparison to, idk striving to visit lots of countries or try lots of food?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:26 PM
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Yes, that's kind of my point. The comment I originally responded to said "genuinely likeable", implying that there are guys with objectively likeable personalities, so I just made fun of the general narrative coming from women where they have diverse physical preferences but somehow they all agree on who's a good guy personality wise and who isn't lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:34 AM
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If it is, then you can't determine if someone's personality is genuinely likeable or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 04:49 PM
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Genuinely? What happened to "AtTracTivNeSs iS SubJecTiVe"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:06 PM
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just because women can get in relationships doesn't mean they get good relationships. they're being settled for with males who do the bare minimum just to get sex. Subpar looking men also get settled for, that's how life works.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:16 AM
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Women want high tier men and high tier men select for best looking women, that's why looks matter from women's POV. How you get treated in a relationship depends on the qualities you prioritize in a partner, not on your appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:14 AM
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No, not really. Doesn't sound like an opinion to me, so I had to clarify that. When the discussion is based on opinions and not data you usually elaborate on why you think your opinion makes sense, like I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:55 AM
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It is an opinion until there is proof, those are not contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:42 AM
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You haven’t said a single clever, funny or entertaining thing yet. I bet you don't talk like that to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:33 AM
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The burden of proof is on the person who made the initial claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:18 AM
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In your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:12 AM
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"Any man who must say, 'I am the king,' is no true king"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:21 AM
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Makeup and flattering clothing creates the illusion that women date down in looks, but it's just that - an illusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:18 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LAPQOla_KVI That's why you should looksmaxx.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:04 AM
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It's less important but it's still the most important aspect because without it nothing else matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 09:05 AM
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Yeah, the problem is women pretend that attractiveness is less important than the aforementioned traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:22 AM
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I agree tbh. After learning about men's and women's reproductive strategies I don't see how not to become nihilistic and cynical at least to some extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:18 AM
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What social risk is there? I thought only incels care about body count and women don't care about incels anyway. Also, you forgot about the financial leverage women get when they get preggo.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:15 AM
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It's not about who says something, it's about observing what people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:40 PM
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Well I said either tall or handsome or rich, meaning you can be just one and still get a conventionally attractive woman, though perhaps being just tall isn't enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:43 PM
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Nah just aim for conventional attractiveness and you'll be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 05:20 AM
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Only a minority of women require a man to be over 6', but you see men here complaining about those women. That's the point of the OP - only a minority of ALL women require a man to be over 6' / handsome / rich, but if we narrow it down to conventionally attractive women it's no longer a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 05:19 AM
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For most people yeah. Though if you deliberately date down in looks you don't need to do much else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 04:25 AM
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You do realize cialis and injections exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 04:20 AM
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And you can't convince me you haven't settled for your husband, so what?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 04:19 AM
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No misconstruing would be turning "calling someone gay is middle school behavior" into "stop calling us gay! You think we are gay! It’s not gay!”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:37 PM
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Everything matters but to a different extent. If your looks are maxed out you can be autistic and use blackpill lingo and still get laid more than an average guy can ever hope for, as we see with Clav. Alternatively, if your looks are slightly below average but you're incredibly charismatic you will do ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:34 PM
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That depends on the kind of man a woman is aiming for. A chad's time is worth more than average becky's.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:31 PM
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There's paraphrasing and there's misconstruing lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:27 PM
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How much you think looks matter has no effect on your dating success, unless it translates into stuff like improving your looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:26 PM
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What % of men thinks that all you have to do is look good vs the % of men that thinks looking good is the most important part?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:10 PM
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He said that calling someone gay is middle school behavior, he said non of that other stuff you dreamt up. "stop calling us gay! You think we are gay! It’s not gay!”
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:05 PM
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A random guy calling you a middle schooler got you so riled up you completely misconstrued his comment to fit your narrative? Color me surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 02:43 PM
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But every time I asked. Under there would be angry comments “stop calling us gay! You think we are gay! It’s not gay!” And few other eyebrow raising comments I'll take "Things that Never Happened" for $1000 Alex
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 09:07 AM
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Clavicular isn't a misogynist tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 08:48 AM
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Yeah cuz hypergamy, but that's on women still.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 08:46 AM
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You just agreed that not one person can determine another person's value and then went on to do exactly that 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 06:38 PM
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You're talking about the minority of men. Most men think that men and women are generally equally shallow in terms of mate selection - they may prioritize different characteristics but at the end of the day if we're not talking about casual sex it boils down to a combination of "what kind of genes can they provide to my offspring" and "how will dating this person benefit me", not "this person has a wonderful soul, therefore I'm going to date them because they deserve someone to love them" that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:56 AM
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If that were true it would get harder for a man to get laid the higher his N count gets, but it's not that case and arguably is the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:50 AM
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First you said something about admitting the preference and now you're jumping to justifying the preference, make up your mind on what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:00 AM
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Same with high N count women right? You should've clarified that it's your opinion instead of speaking in generalities then lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 07:59 AM
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The same applies to men then no?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 07:19 AM
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It would be a lot easier if they would just admit that they think younger women are hotter and they view them as status symbols, not human beings. They will date a hot young woman who they don’t even like and can’t even stand to talk to… Just because of the way it makes them feel in front of other men. It really is that simple. Why would they admit it? Do women admit that they want tall handsome rich men over their average Joe?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 07:08 AM
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If that were true it would get harder for a man to get laid the higher his N count gets, but it's not that case and arguably is the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 07:06 AM
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That's non-sequitur. You said it doesn't matter and I refuted that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 07:23 AM
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It does. I only eat whole foods despite not liking them because it improves my body.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:56 PM
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It was a hyperbole, but the gist of bluepill is that. Unless you wanna correct it as its representative?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 05:13 AM
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I really wish the “who cares if a woman enjoyed it as long as she pretends to be enthusiastic for my sake” dudes would stop speaking for all men. Well that's on the woman for being disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:28 PM
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I never claimed that bluepillers are grounded in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:20 PM
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Who's the arbiter of what constitutes healthy, you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:16 PM
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I've seen plenty of non-nice people in relationships, so doesn't seem to be a bare minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 06:55 PM
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That's a mix of blackpill and redpill, not bluepill.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 06:53 PM
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Well most women aren't that interesting themselves so why would they deserve an interesting guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 06:34 PM
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Well I can't make it any clearer for you, so tough luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 06:33 PM
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When I was in high school I looked way worse and could only get reciprocal interest from girls I would be embarrassed to be seen with in public nowadays. Getting casual sex is difficult for me because I don't drink alcohol but to be honest it's not that big of a deal to me, my biggest goal was to get access to cute-attractive women which I do have now - I get around 5 matches a day and can easily get dates with them, got out of a relationship recently. If I followed your advice I'd still be dati…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 06:29 PM
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So that you see it's not exciting to be average or to get an average partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 06:17 PM
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If you can get the latter then the former is a cake walk.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 06:16 PM
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I see, so what does bluepilll say about casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 06:10 PM
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Asked you a simple question, no need to derail. You could write about the best way to eat shit, and I'd ask you why would you eat shit if you can earn some money and eat candies instead. Sex with a hot person is very beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:58 PM
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What is bluepill?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:53 PM
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Do you think most men if given the choice would settle with an average woman instead of having multiple hot women blowing them?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:51 PM
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Go ahead and tell some of your female friends that they are average looking, see how glad they'll be to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:50 PM
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I haven't mentioned anything, what are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:48 PM
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What else do bluepill proponents say in that regard? Logically if how you get a relationship is by being a nice kind person, then being ultra nice and ultra kind would give you multiple relationships wouldn't it? And the hotter the woman (women) you wanna get with the more nice and kind you have to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:15 PM
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To average looking women past their prime, what an achievement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 04:14 PM
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No, even if you don't get any it's better to pretend to be preselected.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:32 PM
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Imaging having to invest so much into a woman before she gives you a chance. Dating without options as a guy is miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 07:58 AM
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You were talking about hotness in a vacuum, not in the eyes of a particular woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 06:33 AM
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The hotter you are, the less effort you have to put in What is this referring to then? You're confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:52 AM
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If you invest in your profile as an uggo guy you will still only get matches with uggo women, just more of them. Women almost never swipe right on guys below their looks level.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:36 AM
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Well yeah, you have to maximize your looks before going on dating apps as a guy unless you wanna deal with bottom of the barrel women who give you 1 match a week or gold diggers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:14 AM
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When I was starting out I just used a selfie and a shirtless beach pic where I was pretty lean with no bio - got 5 matches a day on average. The key is how good you look not how much effort you put into your profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:49 AM
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But Chad is a cop out - an idea that guys use to avoid putting in the work of developing social skills and a social circle which is how you most effectively meet people. No it's an optimal dating strategy for men - maximize looks, take good pictures and go on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:46 AM
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Going from "men shouldn't get surgeries" to eugenics is a wild jump. I also couldn't care less - everyone does whatever it takes to win in the dating market and women are the biggest gene fraudsters there are lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:26 PM
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I got braces and rhinoplasty and it improved the quality of women that give me attention, should I reverse them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:55 PM
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And then being this type of guy makes you seem unattractive to women seeking long term partnership A man that can have lots of casual sex can also easily get LTR, it doesn't work the other way around tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:07 PM
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What's justification for one is explanation for the other. By the way being attracted to prepubescent looking 18 year old would make you a pedo, see how easily your logic falls apart?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:09 AM
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Calm your tits and read the OP where the topic of discussion is related to attraction and has nothing to do with any "acts".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:07 AM
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People only notice cases of poorly performed surgeries, which makes them think plastic surgery makes people worse looking on average while being unaware of well done surgeries due to them looking natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:03 AM
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Toupee fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:53 AM
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So why ask the question if stats are unreliable?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:33 AM
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Impossible to determine due to male victims being shamed and / or ridiculed for coming out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:30 AM
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Ah yes, the infamous midnight moment when coincidentally every human gets adult features - happens exactly 17 years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds after climbing out of one's vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:29 AM
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Nope, that's not it either. Most people are attracted to markers of sexual maturity period.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:25 AM
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Pedo means being attracted specifically to markers of prepubescence, this only applies to a tiny minority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:20 AM
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Bluepillers think attraction is based on morality, what is to stop them from thinking it also depends on the number in one's ID?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 10:16 AM
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But how would we know how to chadfish if men have no idea what women find attractive? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 06:47 PM
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we both know you've seen We've also both seen you strawmanning, as per your usual M.O.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:30 AM
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These guys are natty, they compete in natty divisions and they get tested very often Interesting. What's their body fat % at the end of the bulk cycle? Then I’m running really hot by the time I get to the bottom, and then proceed to freeze on the lift Also can’t wear a beanie under my helmet if I want my helmet to stay on Then give up on skiing, being ripped is better.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:00 PM
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Based, good thing is you can actually change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:57 PM
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White or asian, hourglass figure, something in-between a girl-next-door and instagram baddie facially.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:54 PM
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All I’m gonna say is that I know several competition bodybuilders who are on >100 calorie surplus for bulking (if I remember right it’s like ~250-400 I meant nattie lol, obv roids provide higher rates of muscle growth that need more calories to fuel. But anyone who's taking roids to looksmax is a moron. I don’t like turning into an icicle whenever I ski for a few hours Then wear warmer clothes, you can thank me later.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:23 PM
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Content is anything you post on social media. Clout farming is clout farming.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:21 PM
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I don't see how those are related. Once you're past newbie gains your muscle growth slows down so much that it gets maxed out at around daily 100 calorie surplus, there's quite literally 0 reason to put on extra fat as it will just prolong your cut phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:10 PM
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the idea that only hot men "are able" to have abusive relationships with women You gonna point us to a man claiming this or is this something you made up on your own?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:07 PM
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You do realize he's clout farming with those surgery claims right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:06 PM
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Do inform us on the inner workings of your cherry-picked example.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 06:01 PM
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He goes to random places and looks around for random girls to approach, I mean I'm not from US but I doubt most people there are stoned at all times?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:58 PM
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For a man - none. For a woman - less likely to get SAd I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:55 PM
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I mean sure, but good luck getting honest ratings.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:44 PM
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About to start wrapping up my winter bulk yet I kept pretty good ab definition throughout while gaining muscle - think I'll be at my absolute peak this autumn - summer when I finish cutting. 100-200 calorie surplus is all you need to bulk, otherwise you'll just get fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:42 PM
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My type is conventionally attractive, betcha didn't expect that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:38 PM
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What do you mean by reality? Let's say you're 6/10 - if you try to go for supermodels you'll think you're ugly, if you go for fatties you'll think you're a chad from your interactions. That's why it's best to get impartial ratings.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:35 PM
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Lemme guess, Ukraine?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:27 PM
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Send a picture of yourself to your friend and ask him to approach 10 random girls who'll rate you. Don't do it yourself because they will lie and overrate you if you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:23 PM
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Many idolize Clavicular, despite him being and looking like a weirdo. 99% of women he cold approaches react positively lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:21 PM
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People generally agree on who's attractive. Aiming to be conventionally attractive is the most optimal strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 05:20 PM
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Could your parents get modeling contracts in their youth?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 05:46 PM
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Higher education rates vary by country +- Average person isn't financially successful which I assume you mean that by good career - Most people aren't good looking or well dressed - Most people probably have decent hygiene + Most people aren't particularly interesting or impressive if that's what you mean by good personality - Most people have good manners + Most people aren't well versed in finances - A good looking, financially successful guy will have neither the time nor the willingness to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:57 PM
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Even if your parents are that delulu, the vast majority of girls who try finding a partner of this caliber will eventually find out that they don't qualify for him and settle for your typical average Joe.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 06:49 PM
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Yes that's what I meant by they just have additional standards on top of that which are typically higher than men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 05:31 AM
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So you're just like everyone else then?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 07:18 PM
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Ime, the "ripped" dehydrated look is to women what the underweight all-elbows look is to men That would be the underweight all-elbows look respectively. Cues of upper body strength account for most of the variance in men's bodily attractiveness - PubMed “Three sets of photographs of men's bodies were shown to raters who estimated either their physical strength or their attractiveness. Estimates of physical strength determined over 70% of men's bodily attractiveness. Additional analyses showed th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 04:53 PM
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Women's anecdotal reports aren't scientific or controlled either. But I'm curious now, can you give examples of what you think men wrongfully assume to be conventionally attractive or attractive to the biggest number of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 04:27 PM
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OP is arguing that for women, sexuality tends to require non-physical attraction too, built on emotional and intellectual connection. Lol at thinking intellect is important for invoking arousal, but yes that's what I meant by "they just have additional standards on top of that which are typically higher than men's"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:52 PM
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There were tons of successful chadfish experiments ran by men, so they generally have a very good idea of what women find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:46 PM
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That's how people date in general - most couples are looksmatched. Idk, does anyone honestly believe that women don’t judge men based on their looks when considering partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:45 PM
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By "objectively more attractive" I meant "a person that is more appealing to a larger amount of people", just didn't wanna bother typing that out. Conventional beauty standards are mostly a result of evolution, not social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:42 PM
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There's some truth to your comment but in practice looks is still the main sexual selection criteria for women, they just have additional standards on top of that which are typically higher than men's. In fact they value looks even more than men do. https://www.redalyc.org/pdf/997/99752039007_2.pdf Two surveys (2975 and 3004 by the CIS) and several methods were employed: linear probability models and fixed-effect multi-level models. For men, the results show that being unattractive decreases the…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:36 PM
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Eh, people generally agree on who is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:52 AM
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But it relies on subjective opinion. Eh, people generally agree on who is or isn't attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:50 AM
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Who's they and where are links to said studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 07:53 AM
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Debatable. Assortative mating suggests people can be more drawn to someone on their level than an objectively more attractive person.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 07:47 AM
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Wanna guess whom I learnt it from?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:56 AM
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Can you point me to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:55 AM
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Is this ChatGPT? If you know how it works you know why it can be unreliable when it comes to stuff like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:51 AM
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You're so lazy that you typed a bunch of words to justify why you wouldn't find the proof that's allegedly sitting right in front of you? Lol. You made the claim, that burden of proof is on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:31 PM
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Nobody cares how your relationship started, you were initially talking in generalities that are proven wrong by data. But to ask someone out, you first have to meet them. To meet them, you need to be social enough to end up in their circle I didn't know creating a profile = meeting someone and being in their social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:29 PM
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I thought a guy was handsome until I learned he was MAGA. Fucking amateurs. I only reveal it after I'm done with someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:24 PM
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Female one night stands are mostly "I'm hungry, lets see what is available" & NOT "I dislike sex until I see a hot guy and then I wanna jump on it" Still coincidentally happens with a hot guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:23 PM
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For most women, that’s going to be the charismatic OUTGOING guy who sought her out and asked her out. What percentage of male population is that? If we were to assume they constitute 50% and your theory is accurate, it means those young boys are spinning plates since the gender ratio is 1:2 there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:14 PM
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Sorry to break it to you but half of all relationships start online so no, you don't to meet anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:09 PM
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It is, unless you have an example of the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:03 PM
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Saying "women care about looks as much as men do" doesn't equal blaming women - that's just stating a simple fact. Women just perceive it as an insult because they're emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:01 PM
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90% seems a bit much, I'd say status is also quite important, though most men are pretty forgiving in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:55 PM
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only to do 180 and blame women for being shallow and caring about looks. Can you point to a post or a comment where that happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 03:51 PM
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I used to fall for the marketing in the moisturizer space thinking the more natural ingredients like "salmon sperm" it had the better it was, but it turned out to be the opposite - chemical ingredients work better, at least in my case.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:51 AM
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The only products that have shown effectiveness in research are retinods, AHAs & BHAs, sunscreen and moisturizer, so I don't see a reason to use anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:39 AM
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That's not how it works though because taller guys aren't less attracted to shorter women, therefore shorter women have the same pool of guys to choose from than an average height woman does.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:50 AM
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No, in layman's cringe terms, it's how cool someone is perceived I won't deny its existence but it's an irrational part of status. "Coolness" only really attracts impressionable people with Shiny Object Syndrome. Real status comes from how you're viewed by people with actual power and it's based on objective, mostly measurable things.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:24 AM
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Status is your ability to influence people around you. A 40 year old CEO will have more influence in almost any place he goes go including said college even if he's never been there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:10 AM
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A 40 year old CEO doesn't have status in her circles LMFAO a 40 year old CEO can buy the entire college her circles revolve around and turn it into a supermarket, wtf do you mean he doesn't have status in her circles?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:07 AM
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thus a 7 is a regular unattractive jestering beta and a 7.6 is a super hot model tier Chad That seems more like an averaged out correlation factor, not the difference between 2 extremes. But either way it's bigger than relationship satisfaction (7.5 vs 7.0), which is why guys should focus on their looks instead of washing dishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 06:59 AM
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You think an average sorority girl will fuck a 40 year old CEO over a frat chad?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 06:52 AM
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in the end the revealed preferences were similar for men and women. Not to worry, people will still insist that men are simple while women's sexuality is an unpredictable mystery.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:50 PM
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She means the guy has to fine tune his libido to hers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:47 PM
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just dont date someone who doesnt make you feel like youre the hottest man alive. Unfortunately most men can't afford such luxury.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:38 PM
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I wouldn't say all, but a lot of them indeed have been due to women having access to men significantly above them for hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 05:45 AM
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It's fascinating that so many men can only fathom how unattractive sex work is to many women when they compare it to paid gay sex. Men are well aware that women consider most men unattractive, why wouldn't they also think that a job where a woman's gonna have lots of sex with below average men is unattractive? Where is the logic here?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:13 PM
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There is almost always room for improvement, but yes there's a genetic ceiling of some sort for a particular person, but you also don't have to go for Stacies where your competition is Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:50 PM
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Then don't complain about being objectified.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:49 PM
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What contempt are you talking about? A man can think lowly of women in general but still like a particular one he's with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:48 PM
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Make men more likely to appreciate you for non-sexual things.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:44 AM
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Replace "models" with "more attractive women" and the point still stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:43 AM
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For weaklings who can't man up and improve themselves, not for ambitious people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:43 AM
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Women are more likely to marry attractive (healthy) men and reject depressed men, ftfy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:41 AM
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"Everyone that makes women look bad is a mentally unhealthy outlier" - not an unexpected thing to hear from your gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:40 AM
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Insecurity is just a buzzword for women nowadays, comparing yourself to others isn't harmful - it's how you progress. And either it doesn't refute my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:37 AM
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A man's general opinion on women is just not a big factor when it comes to his romantic success. If he looks good and knows how to engage women's emotions he will have success, if not then he could be a male feminist and still fail to get any pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:06 PM
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I was responding to your comment implying that a man discussing chad treatment on reddit will somehow affect his chances in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:58 PM
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When talking about an average man yes, but not when talking about a chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:56 PM
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They have more chances with your less attractive friends than with models - that's how sexual marketplace works. But even less attractive women can get crazy bargains when talking strictly about sex so they become picky there too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:55 PM
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Wild fantasies you got.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:26 PM
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You're right but it only applies to a small minority of highly conscious, disciplined women. Most women don't have the discipline to abstain from having sex with physically attractive guys just like they don't have the discipline to abstain from junk food, hence most of them are fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:21 PM
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Not every opinion that upsets you is incel related.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:16 PM
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What are you gonna do about it, call other men to help you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:15 PM
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The difference between a friend and a boyfriend / fwb is physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:14 PM
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Yes get yourself intentionally friendzoned, that never fails.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:41 PM
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He shouldn't tell women about it tho, otherwise they'll see him as a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:40 PM
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Who do you think you are lol? Should he ask before daring to talk to you as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:37 PM
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I never said anything about the percentage of people that are ugly or what people who have casual sex look like. Your exact percentage as a man doesn't really matter, you just have to be above the woman you're going for since the supply and demand is skewed when talking about hookups. No it's science.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:31 PM
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They don’t actually like women outside of what women provide Indeed, so women should start providing more if they want to be liked.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:28 PM
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Yall just need to admit you want JUST sex. Because this reads as a guy who wants consistent access to low effort sex with someone he doesn't love. But has to pretend to want relationships lr like the person they are in a relationship with to get access to consistent sex Maybe it's because most women aren't that useful to have as a man? Or do you assume women automatically improve a man's life when they enter it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:25 PM
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You get what you put in, not what your preassigned looks-rank grants you. What you put in is viewed through the lens of your looks, i.e. ugly people harass, attractive people flirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:22 PM
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Do you think women are frequently overcome with sexual desire at the sight of men’s insecurity in a whiny Reddit post? Do you think men get a boner at the sight of a woman painting her face or doing all the other beautifications? Not a very smart argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:20 PM
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she says she tried something in the past and she didn’t like to There's "she doesn't like it" and there's "she doesn't like it when it's not done by a chad". E.g. lots of women claim not to like being cold approached, but suddenly become all excited when it's a chad approaching them. Same can apply to blowjobs, anal etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 06:17 PM
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So? If he looks good he will still get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 08:38 PM
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Not supremely, in most cases it's one of the many minor factors which pale in comparison to things like looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 07:09 PM
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I still regularly see women have casual sex and bitch about abortion laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:13 PM
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I mean, sex is a proxy for social status, because women pick men based on social status, so that's on women to break the trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 06:04 PM
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Oh, do tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:59 PM
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Obviously, because the reason she picked me is I was the most fuckable option.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:57 PM
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Women can also say no to non-reproductive sex, then they won't have to bitch about abortion laws. Why not do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:59 PM
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Yes it is, everything else can have a hidden motive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:57 PM
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I said most, you said a lot, there's the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:56 PM
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If missionary is so bad that it makes men not care about their partner getting off, then they should expect that women will start to avoid having sex with them. Either a man can deal with that, or he can just masturbate with his hand since it’s much easier. That's irrelevant to the argument, which is that men on average put in much more effort into sex than women do. Yes, both men and women report that women give more head than men do: I didn't know that, appreciate the info. But even outside of…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 06:42 PM
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Maybe the issue is that men and women have different views on what constitutes genuine desire? Lots of women seem to think that a genuine desire = a man having an inexplicable urge to do everything in his power to make a woman's life better and easier for no other reason than that woman having an (allegedly) amazingly interesting, 1 in 1000 personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 08:36 PM
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And a woman is just laying flat doing nothing, which is worse. First time hearing about that. Do you have any stats for that? I personally don't think anyone should be putting a stranger's genitals in their mouth without seeing their test results first, but I guess I'm a bit old fashioned in that sense. Well no because sex still requires consent of another person, but yes generally the more effort a man puts into his looks, status and money the more access to sex he has.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 08:32 PM
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Okay so back to OP's question then, how would a woman know she's genuinely desired or simply being used for sex? Genuine desire = sexual desire. You can't "use" someone for sex, because sex is a mutually pleasurable activity with the exception of prostitution. That'd be like if I voluntarily shook my friend's hand and then claimed he "used" me for his tactile pleasure. Btw. "How would they even get an erection in that case?" RP dude in below in the comments says he settled for his looksmatch and…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:15 PM
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Why would men have sex with women they find sexually unattractive? How would they even get an erection in that case? Sleeping with women below their looksmatch doesn't refute that, it's simply down to the fact that men's looks threshold for sexual attraction is much lower than women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:01 PM
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It's not a stereotype, it's a result of women typically being lazy, indecisive, insecure and overall not very competent when it comes to pleasing their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:56 PM
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So then call it non-sexual desire, otherwise it makes no sense. Also you can be FWB.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:55 PM
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Not according to the comment I responded. What makes sex an ingenuine desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:23 PM
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I didn't know the only way of clitoral stimulation is cunnilingus, you learn something every day I guess. Yes men are typically socialized to carry the entire sexual act by themselves, that's not rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:02 PM
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Then looksmax, or go for ugly guys that don't have access to hot women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:00 PM
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Then man up and make money.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:17 PM
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The inability to use the court system in your imaginary scenario would've fucked you over even if you were a guy, it's a competence issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 04:02 PM
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That's not a top 1% woman lmao - she's likely in her 30s, has a protruding belly and no waist, recessed chin.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:59 PM
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If women are so good at mind reading to the point they can sense if you're ready to be rejected by them, why do they complain about being played by men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:55 PM
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That's how it goes in most cases regardless of gender, otherwise you can sue them. Not sure how that's related to respect tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:46 PM
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From a woman's perspective maybe, but privilege is invisible to those who have it so it's expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:44 PM
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Let's say I'm an 18 year old guy who just finished school, no money, skinny, a virgin. How do I make sure that I'm indeed respected, i.e. how does that manifest itself?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:41 PM
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As if sex is just a favor to men. Imagine how most dudes would react if women didn’t care if they finished every time or not. They’d go mental. Most dudes wouldn't finish if they did what most women do in bed, i.e. be passive. Fact of the matter is in the vast majority of men orgasm through their own effort, not as a result of women's immense selflessness and sexual competence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:38 PM
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Men are somewhat naturally selfish and women are socialized to be self-sacrificial and made to be embarassed about their sexuality. I mean, being too inept to touch your clit if you can't get off from PIV doesn't make you the paragon of selflessness that you imagine it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:35 PM
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Which you can do yourself, instead of relying on a man who already has to focus on leading the act, maintaining erection and pace, holding himself or you up depending on the position etc. How about some help, also wouldn't hurt to see the proof of women's fabled sexual competence compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:33 PM
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Men are given respect based on their economic performance, sexual performance and the capacity to inflict violence, not by default. To think that an average woman would be respected if she simply had a dick is delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:28 PM
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You're talking from a woman's position of limitless sexual access. He's short, which already means he has to go for less attractive / fatter women. Add neurodivergence to that and it's a miracle dude is having sex at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:22 PM
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Depends on the woman. Many women don't improve any other aspect of them, so there's nothing else to desire them for.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:19 PM
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The opposite - most guys with his genetic base never get to have experience anything romantic at all, so kudos to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:16 PM
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That's... how genuine desire works.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 03:14 PM
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They missed the first step. If they were hot they'd get success anywhere - dating apps are just optimal in that case.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 10:32 AM
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get use to parties/nightclubs. Yeah good luck preserving your hotness with that lifestyle. Dating apps are 100 times better - less monetary expenses, less aging from alcohol and inconsistent sleep schedule, more access to better looking women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 10:05 AM
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Because most men who're actually actively dating these women are in that range themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 09:58 AM
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All of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:30 AM
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You're right but for the wrong reason - there's no point in discussing this particular topic because it's already been studied, it's not a matter of opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:16 AM
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It doesn’t reflect the women I know in real life or online at all. Women's in group bias is quite strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:06 AM
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No they are are a mix of black pill and red pill, hence they try to maximize their looks first with easily accessible things like makeup, skin and hair care, figure molding clothing, while women with sufficient levels of discipline also diet and exercise. And red pill in the sense that they filter men by social status, try to sell purity to a prince charming whom they wanna get a ring from etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 06:05 AM
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My issue with Reddit is that its full of really off-key, judgemental people who also try and frame their lack of looks or social success as some kind of sign of their virtue. It isnt. "They're only as shallow as the world allows them to be".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:57 AM
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That's any couple with a mortgage. Same as paying rent in a Ltr. Choose a 20yo and her earnings will be shit. Choose a 30yo and she will treat u too. Only men that only care about looks will go for the 20yo again, if they can afford it Most women simply expect their guy to cover rent, food and any social event they attend, I don't know why you're playing dumb. Then stop talking about fucking unicorns. A woman in her 20s won't go for a guy with a beer belly and reciding hairline. Only inmature pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:06 AM
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Maybe they're trying to find a hidden gem, plus sex is always nice to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 06:40 PM
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U know that couples normally pay mortgages 50/50 right? That's marriage, I was talking about LTR in general. Again most guys wont get a girl 20 years younger Yeah no shit, you have to be exceptional to get a young woman while being old yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 01:38 PM
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Sure after you fall in love with a dwarf.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:26 PM
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But women have a much less universal standard for attraction than men do, but men wish we all liked the same type of man like they all like the same type of woman. It's the opposite - men are into a pretty large diversity of women, evidenced by porn categories. Meanwhile women: white, tall, dark, handsome, V-taper, big dick, and according to them male porn actors are ugly lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:23 PM
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She’s gotta get instant lusty vaginal tingles and always want to fuck on command, simultaneously have no history of giving that treatment to any other man, and she needs to fit into his favorite porn category. He's gotta be the one all other women including fit models want but only have eyes for my average self, simultaneously be dangerous and capable of inflicting immense violence on everyone but somehow not be able do that to me because I'm just so irresistibly attractive. Oh and also he gotta…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:16 PM
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Nope. These women are pretty self-aware, not looking for someone rich. That's irrelevant, looking or simply wanting has the same result in this case, so eventually they either adjust their standards or stay alone forever. I'm not sure what your argument is. The point is that I see women who are unwillingly single are usually aware of their own undesirability/faults and don't have the tendency to resent or hate men for having preferences. Most women have overinflated self-esteem as a result of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 09:22 AM
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So? Even ugly fat women want handsome fit billionaire men, none of them will get it tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 08:52 AM
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So which is it? Men have to put in so much effort OR do nothing? Depends on how attractive he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 07:26 AM
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Mind sharing what you've tried to do to find a partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 07:24 AM
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Reason being I'm from a country with pretty strict beauty standards, and they don't fit into it. The actual reason is they want guys who're above them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 07:22 AM
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Citation needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 07:11 AM
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In your opinion, what does a strong desire for you look like early into the relationship? Initiation and / or equal energy in interactions, the absence of implications like "you owe me something for spending time together" , receptive to verbal and physical escalation, eager to be alone with you outside of public places.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 06:50 AM
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If we're talking about anal sex then most women are pussies here as well, even in LTR. Taking D in V is much easier than taking D in A, and we don't have enough data to know how willing men would be if they had V compared to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 06:46 AM
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Your weight affects how much your partner likes you, but that's besides the point. The point is yes, men can hypothetically choose not to deal with a woman they don't consider to be a good partner, but then most of them will never have sex. Saying no to sex for men is the same as saying no to being fat - easier said than done.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 06:40 AM
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Women should never trust men. Doesn't sound like an opinion at all, more like a universally applicable advise.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:59 PM
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So it is your feels vs my feels then, so why take an issue with it? Your feelz have nothing at all to do with my perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:56 PM
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Career established and likely far more financially stable. Irrelevant because most women don't share their assets. Likely more confident and charismatic Agreed, tho likely more traumatized and bitter as well. More life experience so more interesting things to talk about. Agreed. Almost certainly more stylish and competent with fashion and beauty Not enough to compensate for worse skin, wrinkes, cellulite, extra weight etc. By that point any physical trace of teenage girl-ness will be long gone. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:47 PM
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What makes you think your perspective is objective and not based on feels?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:44 PM
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I can somewhat forgive the ones who somehow made it to adulthood unscathed Bro you're saying it like it rarely happens. Western girls / women have the easiest, most privileged life out of all demographics of people to ever exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:38 PM
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Its not like a woman goes "your my bf now" yall have the ability to not pursue crazy women and leaving if a woman is crazy Women also have the ability to be slim, but an average US woman is 180 lbs, something is not adding up here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:34 PM
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You sure?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:32 PM
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I did respond directly to what you said. If your mindset is “I earned better women now,” you didn’t mature. You just got older.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:39 PM
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A man's dating success is linearly correlated with his SMV, because women don't pick men based on moral goodness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:53 PM
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Nothing in this life is guaranteed, but the contrast between "A man hitting “peak SMV” means nothing" and "A rich hot 35 year old is not guaranteed to be successful" is funny, almost as if you understood what I meant perfectly and backtracked while playing dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:43 PM
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A man hitting “peak SMV” means nothing if he’s a selfish antisocial asshole Because just world fallacy?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:24 PM
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money means more to women For relationship-marriage attraction, which most men don't prioritize - they want to be sexually attractive first and foremost.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:22 PM
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lots of dudes with such a mindset would go younger Most women would also go taller, richer, more handsome if they could - shocker.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:20 PM
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Fact of the matter is there are trustworthy and untrustworthy women at all attractiveness levels. If you had to settle for an average Becky that's fine, you don't have to try and rationalize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:17 PM
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Eh, maybe a small minority. Mass appeal is what men should be going for.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 05:13 PM
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Mostly good genetics lol, which can't be "spent" therefore it's free.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 06:27 PM
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Y’all act like we are withholding some secret. We’re not 🤷🏽‍♀️ Most women very much do, because they don't wanna get frauded by men faking good genes. As an example, most women won't admit that wearing shoe lifts increases a man's attractiveness specifically because they wanna weed out short men and not get height frauded.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 06:23 PM
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Can we see the stats or at least talk to the men who've "succeeded" by following your advice? Also defining "success" wouldn't hurt because I'd bet some women think getting unenthusiastic sex from a subpar looking woman after working as her jester is a success.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 06:15 PM
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Men like to hide behind looks Not as much as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 06:12 PM
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One more reason LTR isn't a good deal for most men - paying for something others got for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 05:54 PM
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Is whining in the same room with us?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 07:13 PM
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Having sex without something in return or sense of safety is clearly foolish as a woman. Nothing to do with body count really. Not if the guy is a couple leagues above them, evidently.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 07:13 PM
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Man up and improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 06:19 PM
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LTR doesn't matter in this case to the initial deal for sex being shitty for women. The financial benefit (which I question) only sets in if there's a LTR, which is a big if. And that benefit is often not high enough to outweigh the cost. So having sex without getting free rent, food and social events afterwards is too risky for a woman? Sounds like men are right about N count being extremely important then. And, it must be said, the majority of men do not have access to casual sex....so, it is …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 06:18 PM
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There are plenty of men who've had an abundance of casual sex and still end up in, and seek, committed relationships. Hardly plenty, at most there are some. There is no requirement in the modern world for men to "lose out" financially. There is no requirement for women to have sex euither. Date women who make the same or more income than you do Can't - women are hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 06:15 PM
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Generally speaking the below to average man offers less on basically all dating fronts (this is the most debatable of my statements) Women benefit financially from entering a LTR, men lose out financially. If all men had access to casual sex, most of them wouldn't be interested in having a LTR with women, so it's not as good of a deal as you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 05:44 AM
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So pretending to be non-superficial and then saying "I didn't feel the spark" when it turns out the person doesn't match your physical standards is better than being upfront about it to save both people's time? You do you I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 08:59 AM
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Lifestyle is irrelevant because there are dating apps. But even if we assume that's true, the women they get to have sex with are much less attractive than those that high status guys have access to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 08:53 AM
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You're talking about guys that got lucky with genetics and have a high appeal to teenagers and early 20s women, those will lose most of their sexual access by the time they hit 30s. Take a hollywood actor level of guy whom millions of women fantasize about, no college pretty boy is gonna be able to compete with him in terms of sexual access.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 08:23 AM
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I remember seeing you promote therapy to people here - how's it been working out for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 08:12 AM
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A man's social status is usually linearly correlated with the amount of women that wanna sleep with him, so it's more so on women to change their preferences if they indeed don't like the way things are at this moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 08:06 AM
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If a woman likes you you can basically do no wrong. If she doesn’t, you’re NEVER changing disinterest into interest. Some fools manage to change it into a financial interest and are proud of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 08:01 AM
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Sure I’ll tell the newborn that he doesn’t need to nurse he can just play with an iPad. Babies and toddlers can’t use iPads. Bigger children shouldn’t use them often either. Newborn is a different topic, but newborns don't stay newborns for that long. I was being sarcastic because there have been so many men giving the obvious advice of “just meal prep and workout” in this thread like it’s so easy to do while taking care of children and working etc. I mean, successful businessmen manage to stay …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:37 PM
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Most people don't meal prep and work out, children or not. Having kids is one more extra thing to up the challenge level, but if this were so easy, everyone would do it. It's not easy but it is the most solution to their problem. Like, either don't complain about being an out of shape slop or get disciplined enough to fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:36 PM
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How many little kids do you have because meal prepping on weekends is harder since they are all home. Babies won’t sit quietly while you spend hours meals prepping. What are they gonna do, destroy your house? Give them an ipad or something to play with. The way people make it sound on this subreddit, they must only eat perfectly balanced meals and have the bodies of an adonis since it’s so easy. I’m surprised so many of them have trouble dating with that level of dedication to their health. What…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 02:33 PM
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Also, what kind of woman are you imagining, sir? lol One who says, "Would you like to date me?" He says "No," so she shouts, "How about a fuck? Please, just a fuck! I need to be at least good enough for that!" Fuck is already implied when a woman approaches because as I said, women know most men will still take free sex in any case.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:59 AM
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I'm afraid that even the actual raising the kids part is still heavily put upon the women. Things are getting better and many fathers are more active in parenting than their fathers and grandfathers were, but I've still seen way more deadbeat dads than deadbeat moms. Women are free to go and earn money while their guy parents the kids, wonder why they don't agree to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:58 AM
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Most women want to know that they are inherently sexually desired by men even if they aren't planning to whore around, just like most people who got FIREd early in life want to know that they are inherently valuable on the job market even if they aren't planning to have a 9-5 job. That's a better analogy than yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:41 AM
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Getting broken up with by a guy in a genuine LTR is also more brutal because of the associated investments, I'm talking about an immediate reaction following approaching a stranger. Women know that most men will still take free sex with almost any woman even if they don't want a long term with said woman, and no man is ever gonna say shit like this "You're not enough for me to settle down with, but want to roll around a bit" because it kills their chances of getting laid. So yeah as I said, bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:12 AM
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True, but women claim they value personality more than looks so it shouldn't be as much of an issue as women being fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:03 AM
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In reality most people are fat as a result of a lack of discipline - if you allegedly don't have time to work out, then eat less.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:00 AM
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Nah you don't understand mate, something-something estrogen something-something impossible not to get fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:58 AM
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Where do you find the time to workout and cook healthy meals from scratch? Meal prep on weekends instead of being on reddit, work out at home while prioritizing high intensity instead of volume, pair exercises into antagonist supersets, then it takes about half an hour per workout.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:54 AM
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No. Having physical requirements doesn't make you a bad dating prospect.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:49 AM
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Also, men who are lukewarm about a woman will often still entertain her because of the possibility of low effort cheek clapping. True, and most women are aware of that from my experience, this is what makes them terrified of a potential rejection. When a man gets rejected by a woman it hurts his self-esteem yes, but not by much and he usually moves pretty quickly. On the other hand, when a woman gets rejected by a man she realizes that not only did he reject a potential relationship with her, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:44 AM
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Not from my experience. Whenever I see women say they "prefer" a softer look it usually comes with "the ripped guy looks selfish / arrogant / fuckboyish / demanding / whatever else".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:31 PM
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Now see gay men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 06:30 PM
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All this to say, men should actually be narrowing down their dating pool and optimizing for fewer better successes instead of broadening their appeal. Typical manipulation aimed at limiting men's options and leverage in dating. When only 1 in 100 women finds you attractive you're at the mercy of that 1 woman, you will have to be her little bitch boy unless you're ready to go through another 99 rejections to get another chance at getting favorable relationship conditions. When 1 in 10 women finds…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 08:03 PM
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it basically signals to a woman that she'll never be able to enjoy a beer or ice cream with the guy. Most women would rather get the visual stimulus from seeing a guy's cut abs than be able to enjoy a beer or ice cream with him (that is, assuming those are mutually exclusive which they are not). The actual reason women can be apprehensive about jacked guys is they can be pretty insecure about their own bodies next to them and most women's only real leverage over their guy is usually their sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:23 PM
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I've checked out a couple of videos from US lawyers and they insisted that he's going to jail, too bad those fools didn't take the halo effect into account.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 05:11 PM
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Just seen the news that Clav got his charges dropped - I think America is finally healing boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 04:41 PM
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Trust me a 5'6 dude born to a billionaire will be far better off in life than significantly taller men born into poor families Assuming everything else is equal, the first dude will have an easier life while the second one will have more women sexually attracted to him, both quantitively and quality wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 04:20 PM
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To be honest "you did that 10 years ago with some chad, now do that for me even if you don't like it" isn't the speech i want to hear in bedroom and not the spell to make me horny and open. Now imagine the meltdown an average woman is gonna have once she finds out her boyfriend took his ex to luxurious restaurants, while she herself gets offered coffee dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 04:13 PM
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Acting like women should just want to hop on it with minimal effort, because that’s what porn shows. So, the same way women expect to be paid for on a date because that's what social media shows? Viewing women they’re attracted to as objects to be used. How does that manifest itself? How do you know what they view someone as without being a mind reader? Having a hazy idea of consent. What does that mean? Not valuing a woman’s pleasure. On average women are much more passive in sex than men are. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:38 AM
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I think a lot of people (women) genuinely do not care about what is in someone's pants They do, like 90% of them. They just like to virtue signal by appearing indifferent to physical traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:32 AM
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You can always say "I don't find you physically attractive", that will kill a man's desire to pursue you in 99% of cases. I guess women simply value preserving fake virtue over stopping a man from pursuing them 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:31 AM
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she didn't want to be approached at this moment in time so why should she be grateful for this random man to suddenly ask for her number Because she thought she didn't look good enough to be approached and it turned out the guy was still interested. he could have at least asked a few questions to see weather or not he liked her as a person first You don't need to like someone as a person to find them attractive, just ask Jeremy Meek's fangirls. Also if someone is good looking your mind will like…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:19 AM
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What exactly is there to understand about sexual access? It's a binary yes / no. And you're changing the definitions now - your comment clearly stated that people are either doing shit for ideological reasons, or to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:25 PM
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Everyone tries to get the hottest person available to them yes, you're not breaking any new ground here. Too many reasons to list, but the main one is social media brainwashes women into having delusional standards and gives them an illusion of having relationship access to top tier men, making them unwilling to settle with average men especially while at their peak SMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 01:12 PM
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So you’re saying that if a man is short, he won’t be able to get an American woman who isn’t fat. So that’s why he needs to go to a developing country? … It's just an example, and it's not that rigid, it's probabilistic. To dumb it down, the same guy who gets 5/10 women in US can get 7/10 women in the eastern countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 12:48 PM
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So if a woman fails to get commitment from one guy she likes, she is settling with all subsequent partners despite liking them and being attracted to them? That makes no sense. There are levels to liking someone. A guy a woman masturbates to is 10/10 in her eyes, a guy she ends up marrying is usually like, a lukewarm 5-6/10 in her eyes maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 12:45 PM
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Yes, but if you're a short guy you'll likely have to settle for a fat woman even if you're fit yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 12:21 PM
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What does settling mean to you? Failing to get commitment from the guy you mentally or physically masturbate to. And how does my statement about men cheating say anything about women? It's in the underlying language - "Do you see this specifically as a woman thing or a people thing?" implies that you think both genders do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 11:42 AM
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Do you see this specifically as a woman thing or a people thing? Do you genuienly believe that if a man good approach by the hottest billionaire supermodel, he would reject her 100% of the time and stay with is 5/10 gf instead? Oof, imagine implicitly admitting that all women settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 11:17 AM
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Yeah, and if you would put half that energy into your life here in America… Maybe an American woman would actually want you and you wouldn’t have to “train“ to become a passport bro. Can't really grow taller can he? And why attract fat american women if he can get a slim, less delusional one from a developing country?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 11:11 AM
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I don't think anyone should be shamed for doing something that doesn't negatively affect other people, and neither does the commenter above, at least it was never stated.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 10:51 AM
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To be precise you're making an assumption based on the original comment, not stating a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 10:48 AM
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It's also a politically correct way for women to reject bad looking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 10:47 AM
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Based. That's the main reason women beautify themselves - to get access to more attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 10:41 AM
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If we go off of your definition, shallow women don't exist because all women have sexual access by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 10:39 AM
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Most people can't, especially in the age of social media when everyone has unrealistic expectations. It's nothing to be ashamed of.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 10:35 AM
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It's not shameful, it's just undesirable in the same way being short is undesirable to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 10:34 AM
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So is it only the broken women, or have all women evolved to find the capacity to inflict violence attractive? You seem to be contradicting yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 10:27 AM
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If they weren't broken they wouldn't need therapy, as evident by its definition. There are ways to minimize risks, such as dating mentally healthy people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:08 AM
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Because it means a person is broken, and a risky investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 05:58 AM
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Yet they put less effort into sex than men do on average, crazy stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 05:16 AM
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therapy Red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 05:13 AM
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She is not looking to date until she paints her face, which is insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 04:01 PM
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Going to a restaurant on a first date is cringe, but suppose it depends on how beautiful both of them are. I'd try to do some small talk and read her nonverbals to make sure it's not a setup, if she seemed genuine enough I'd try to do the switcheroo and take her to another place to avoid the other girl blowing it for me just in case. If she warned me about being late in advance I'd probably wait tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 09:41 AM
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Ok but we all know women like to virtue signal, so when directly asked about being approached they realize they have to stay consistent and say something like "oh I definitely don't want a hot guy to approach me either". But the fact of the matter is - there's no footage online of a woman reacting poorly to a conventionally attractive guy cold approaching her, but there's plenty of that footage with conventionally unattractive guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 05:43 AM
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I'm just relaying what women themselves say all the time - "you can't speak for all women", at least when it's something they don't like hearing. Cry about what? You're confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 05:31 AM
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Then don't beautify yourself to maximize the chances of being picked for your (allegedly) amazing personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 05:29 AM
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I mean, most women think like that, they just don't vocalize it and prefer to virtue signal about personality instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 06:23 PM
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He wasn't talking about his worth as a person, he was talking about it in the dating context.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:51 PM
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But I also felt suspicious like “you haven’t talked to me, you don’t know who I am, you ask my number only based on my looks…” Well considering you were so self conscious about your looks you should be happy that you looked good enough for him to be interested in you. Also it's not like women pick guys based on personalities either lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:48 PM
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In general, women don’t like being approached or hit on when their guard is down I thought you can't speak for other women. We are also self-conscious and would rather be hit on when we are looking our best and feeling empowered You think all women are insecure? Shouldn't they resolve their insecurities before dating then?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:46 PM
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Again that was my point, when women give you advice it’s more targeted for quality. Most women themselves select for looks first and the quality is either secondary or optional altogether if the guy is hot enough, so I don't see why you'd perceive their advice to be focused on quality. Well and here it comes, if a guy just wants to smash he shouldn’t ask dating advice. Smashing and dating are two different things. I know guys I would smash because of their look but never date. Guys don't say "gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 12:08 PM
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Next time a woman complains about men lying to get into her paints I'll tell her "it's not lies, it's sex propagation".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:06 AM
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how many of those dates turned into relationships and lasted for over a year What makes you think he's interested in long term relationship? My feeling is that for everybody, better you look more people you will attract. It also comes with questionable quality of people It doesn't. The "quality" is roughly evenly distributed across all looks levels - and some women, despite being "good quality", will simply remain inaccessible for you because you don't pass their minimal looks threshold. If you …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:03 AM
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I see. Well in those situations women don't mislead / lie to men for selfless reasons either - they do it to appear virtuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:57 AM
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to avoid potential fallout Ah yes, those fallouts on anonymous forums are rather fearsome.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:48 AM
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Sure, in practice most women prioritize looks over personality despite claiming otherwise tho. It's not about what I care about. Most neurotypical women are fully aware that their simps wanna fuck them - they keep them on a leash by occasionally dropping a tiny hint that they might eventually be interested while keeping plausible deniability in order to keep receiving tangible benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:41 AM
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Huh? You're not making much sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 07:31 PM
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It is enough - women don't cheat on their rich fat husbands with richer fat men, they cheat with better looking guys. Masculinity is outdated - broke pretty boys embarrass your stereotypical alpha providers in terms of sexual access and it ain't even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:37 PM
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The people who were responding in the link I sent are also women, your experience isn't more relevant than theirs. I've experienced it myself after looksmaxxing, so don't invalidate my experience as women like to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:33 PM
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It is with the top percentile of attractive guys, or you wouldn't have women engaging in casual sex at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:31 PM
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There is no lie though! Prioritizing personality over looks is a lie in most cases. Truly scummy guys may try to squeeze free sex out of them if they can "pump and dump" if you will. Yes. Women do the same but in reverse - squeeze out various favors without having sex, also known as friendzone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:31 PM
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Read more carefully, then you won't have to imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:29 PM
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It is in most cases. There are still priorities to be had tho, and most women lie about theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:09 PM
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Most women don’t want to be attractive on a primal level Definitely false. I suggest searching up some reddit posts where a woman finds out her husband didn't find her attractive when they first met but learnt to appreciate her personality over the years and the mental breakdown that follows. Men need to suck it up and do the same. Both sides need to get what they want not just men. Agreed, which is what I'm advocating for.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:06 PM
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most of the guys were working part time jobs in grounds keeping or construction. So the girls who were working full time in fast food or post college jobs were making more money either from more hours or better jobs. Construction workers make more money than fast food workers. If we compare college graduates to non graduates then yeah, but they usually don't date each other either way. Mascara absolutely alters the perception of your face, and the concealer hides all the skin imperfections, over…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:04 PM
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They don't have to confirm having been feral, they just have to confirm having been more excited with them than with an average LTR guy which they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:00 PM
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Saying you want to be with someone you find attractive and prioritizing looks isn't the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:59 PM
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You're not the center of the universe. https://imgur.com/a/womens-casual-partners-are-way-more-physically-attractive-than-long-term-partners-husbands-TViyiCJ
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:52 PM
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Most people don't operate on being horny to a feral extent in their daily life, the argument was about the emotional and physiological state and behavior inside the bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:49 PM
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I said I love sluts and I'm not responsible what other men do. Wanna hear a real paradox tho? It's when women say they want a nice guy, but pick a guy who bullies said nice guys instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:47 PM
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I'm not responsible for what other men say. Assuming you have dead average genetics, a couple of years of gym, diet, skincare, teeth whitening + braces if needed and a good hairstyle will put you in the top 20% of looks, which assuming you're not going for the most attractive girls will be enough. And most men don't want to be financially attractive, they want to be attractive on a primal level.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:38 PM
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People act like prioritizing physical attraction is a cardinal sin. No, lying about what you prioritize isn't nice tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:35 PM
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She doesn't have to be drunk, that's your assumption, maybe projection. Being feral and being highly turned on are synonymous.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:27 PM
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Neither did your comment, it's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:25 PM
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I said at some point in their life, even assuming you're correct it doesn't have to be recurring for that statement to be true. All of my hookups came from tinder since I don't drink, so I doubt that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:15 PM
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I think men are wanting women to have extreme “jump your bones” lust from women That's your assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:12 PM
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You'd be hard pressed to find a college student, male of female, who hasn't had casual sex. Get real. You can also google the stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:04 PM
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Sure, but you can't control how much lubrication you produce, how much your cheeks flush, how your body responds to stimulus as a result of being turned on - those are all easy tells.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:03 PM
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Huh? It's way easier to improve your looks than to become financially successful, and the latter not only fails to invoke genuine desire, but also requires so much time that your looks will significantly diminish by the time you're done.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:00 PM
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He assumes she was feral and horny with other dudes so he wants that too. Most women have had casual sex at some point in their life and considering how far above their league they can shoot their, it's a safe assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:54 PM
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I said it's necessary to level the playing field - women lie about their past, wear makeup, pushup bras and all that. If all men were fully transparent they'd have to date girls way below their actual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:51 PM
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Women can be turned on by looks, they just have a magnitudes higher threshold for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:48 PM
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Men want sex to be the reason women enter relationships with them, not the means to secure the relationship benefits - such horrific views, men are indeed vile creatures.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:47 PM
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And yet men see sex as reward, as something that women give, and despise those who give away for free Actually, women are the biggest haters of female sluts, since it increases the supply of sex on the market which is most women's only bargaining chip in the male to female dynamics. I've never seen a man tell a slut to stop "giving away free sex", but I've seen plenty of women tell a slut to "start having some self-respect", which is a euphemism for "start trading sex for tangible goods, you're …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:38 PM
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Never said I was entitled to it, I said it's necessary. Who decides which choice is correct, you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:06 PM
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Were they making more money? How many times have each of them cheated compared to men? Better looking with or without makeup and all other things?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 02:45 PM
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Physical attraction means “nothing” to me. Right, I'm sure the fact that your current boyfriend is in the small % of good looking men is pure coincidence then.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 07:04 AM
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You guys focus on looks first but it doesn’t mean women do It does - most couples are looksmatched. I know many women who married men who they were not initially attracted to. Yeah because they couldn't get the hotter guys to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 07:03 AM
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Most people date their looksmatch, who woulda thunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:59 AM
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Shes still going to have more access to sex than you have. Women don't value casual sex unless it's with the very top % of men. None of you have enough power for any real consequences of the behaviors that women display that you dont care for. The men that most women want have that power. She could drop her "boring sex" on the floor and some male is going to come right after you and lick it up like a dog. Some male whom she will call creepy lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:05 AM
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Most men’s dick game is weak as fuck, that why so many go so long without getting pussy. If you have a weak dick game you will fail to get repeat customers, not fail altogether. Your dick game isn't known until you fuck for the first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:00 AM
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I mean they're fine dudes, but they're generally not very hard-working, aren't the best looking, their faithfulness/religiosity is lip-service at best, So, same as most women then?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:53 AM
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Pretty sure women fake purity all the time and they do just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:52 AM
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Lying isn't good, but it is necessary to somewhat level the playing field in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:50 AM
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If conservative men aren’t willing to be flexible then they will be stuck standing alone You'd be surprised how little political views affect your dating success when you're actually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:49 AM
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Do they themselves have all of these traits tho?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:21 PM
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I said you think that swimming makes them uglier.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:47 AM
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Yeah western women are really into eugenics it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:34 PM
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Most women don't want to fuck their man, men and women also have different anatomies so women can generally take the dick much easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 05:27 PM
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What if I'm short? Sperm banks have a minimum height threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 05:15 PM
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Yep, people who do things for approval are never going to be happy. Which is why so many normies say “don’t make everything you do about women.” Debatable, and most normies aren't happy or successful so their opinion is hardly worth considering. What if a guy does all the hard work for, wait for it... fulfilling his most powerful biological programming called reproduction?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 04:48 PM
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these aren’t the only men or the only reasons men pursue things, but they’re the loudest ones No, they just the most self-aware ones. Most people who claim to be doing hard things for politically correct / socially approved reasons are in fact delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 04:26 PM
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So basically they are making life more expensive for average people. Have you considered that an average person values things like sane social policies over cheaper food?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 03:44 PM
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Do y'all realize that we know what you're up to when you suggest swimming dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 02:02 PM
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In what way do they governmentally punish you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 01:57 PM
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White people are appealing to the largest amount of the western population, so their opinion is the most valuable in the context of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 01:56 PM
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I have zero reason to lie to anyone about my preferences You do, I've just explained what the reasons are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 12:45 PM
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Not every woman has it, like the person I was responding to since she thinks swimming for a woman leads to uglification.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 12:43 PM
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What would be the reason I would have to lie about that??? Women (in general, not you specifically) usually lie for 2 reasons: To virtue signal, which is self-explanatory To weed out bad genetics - the linked comment explains it quite well. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/a5p5qb/discussion_what_do_women_have_to_gain_by_lying/ebocdkj/?context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 11:20 AM
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Selfish af.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 11:02 AM
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You think it'd be a good tradeoff? Lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:36 AM
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Why do you guys try to tell us what we like?? Because women lie about what they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:33 AM
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Correction - you'd know you have no chance with them so you'd try to reject them first to save ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:31 AM
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They'd get less female attention if they had average bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:30 AM
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Do y'all realize that we know what you're up to when you suggest swimming dates? You can always gaslight her and pretend that you're genuinely into swimming.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:27 AM
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I promise you, you don't know what other people think - if you did you'd become a billionaire via the stock market.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 06:47 PM
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I meant a guy can find someone with lower N count if he doesn't wanna deal with her past.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:44 PM
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That's derailing but I'll entertain it - most people don't discuss these things outside of anonymous forums like reddit as it's detrimental to your social standing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:47 PM
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Or you could find someone else lol, that is ignoring the fact that if you got unlucky with genetics she will never enjoy sex with you as much as she did with a genetically superior guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:42 PM
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No, but connections, no debt and steady employment are all either power or money related.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:33 PM
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So, mainly power and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:34 PM
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Where do you think security comes from?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 01:18 PM
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Depends. An introvert with average looks with get less sex than an extrovert with average looks. A good looking guy always has access to an unlimited supply of willing women on dating apps so it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:52 AM
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the type of women they eventually want to settle down with (more conservative/traditional) shocker also care about body counts. Yes they do, but a man's body count is usually correlated with his attractiveness while a woman's isn't. Even the most traditional women won't pick an unattractive low N count guy over an attractive sexually experienced guy given the options.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 07:08 AM
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if she adjusted some of her more superficial standards she could find a man she could be happy with. That's the most common situation - a lot of women have very low standards in regards to non-superficial traits despite claiming otherwise, or else there wouldn't be so many complaints about men being assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 05:14 AM
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Thats where the problem is. Through the lens of just world fallacy, sure it's a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 05:11 AM
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Not sure what that has to do with my comment but feel free to keep wondering I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 01:58 PM
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It would only be decent advice for women. As a man to get sex you need to bring some type of value to the table, be it looks, money, or something else. Socializing is one of the ways to "advertise" your value, albeit less optimal than dating apps, but it's not enough on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 01:27 PM
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You will never get a huge ass naturally, women notoriously underestimate how hard and slow the muscle building process is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:36 PM
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Having a good non sexual time together isn't courting, that's just having a good time and I'm all for it. By courting I meant disproportional monetary, emotional or some other type of investment from the man's side being required in order for sex to happen. If she's an actual virgin I'm willing to court if needed tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:06 PM
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Boring is subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:04 AM
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And I’d like to note here that your phrasing (“give it up for free”) shows exactly how you think of a date with a woman Actually I think that sex is a mutually enjoyable activity that doesn't entail any compensation from either party. But if you want to be courted I wanna make sure I'm not the first sucker to do it lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:03 AM
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And you learnt from me that your assumption about men was incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:23 PM
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All the men I know have hobbies outside of social media too, what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:21 PM
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Looks are far easier to obtain than financial success, and ironically they give far better returns if your goal is genuine desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:19 PM
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Have you looked at women? Most of them don't have hobbies outside of social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:16 PM
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Start being sexual early in the convo and if she responds well you're most likely hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:15 PM
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It is clear you, and a whole lot of men, only actually desire the women who are sexually uninhibited and who are willing and eager to have causal sex very quickly with a man they barely know Or they don't want to court a woman who's been giving it up for free in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:10 PM
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Funny thing is when the ones who shame women for having casual sex are the people who want to have casual sex with women. Typically they just don't want to be those women's first "serious" partner lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:05 PM
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Provide the data showing that they are the ones expected to be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:02 PM
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Both are expected to be nice, we're talking about who gets penalized more.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 04:26 PM
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Men get socially punished more severely than women. The type of stuff women can do and say without getting jailed or cancelled is actually impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 12:05 PM
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Why especially the men? I thought women mature faster so a 24 year old woman with an 18 year old man is ever worse than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 09:15 AM
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Men don't hide it. In general men are much more open about their preferences and don't virtue signal anywhere near as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 09:12 AM
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aka money trumps looks. That is, assuming a guy likes unenthusiastic sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:35 AM
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Sure whatever, it just makes them hypocritical in a vacuum disregarding sex positivity if it helps you sleep better at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:13 AM
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Women contradict themselves for judging men for preferring women who had less dicks in them while rejecting men who had dicks in them. If you still don't get it I can't help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:11 AM
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No, it's not Irrelevant red herring, and whataboutism to boot, but rather a direct counter argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:09 AM
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I'm referring to their looks and character, i.e. nothing to do with investments into a person who's reading the story while mentally masturbating to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:07 AM
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Generally speaking, society perceives women as less judgemental and more sex positive due to their virtue signaling. Never said it does. But if you're gonna judge men for preferring women who have slept with less men, then maybe you should follow your own logic and not disqualify men for sleeping with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 07:05 AM
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You can't insult someone into changing their preferences. The point is not to make women change their preferences, but to expose their fake sex positivity and non judgemental attitude. Lots of gullible guys fall for virtue signaling coming from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 11:52 AM
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Semantics. Most of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 11:28 AM
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Yes, as I said which gets discarded if he's attractive on a primal level
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 11:11 AM
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The rule is to be/do something with an attractive guy No, the rule is allegedly a guy has to prove his serious long term intentions before sex happens, which gets discarded if he's attractive on a primal level. Most women don't admit that their rules have anything to do with guy's looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:20 AM
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Why do they mentally masturbate to fictional characters and celebrities they never met then?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:17 AM
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Congrats, you've just found out that dual mating strategy applies both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 05:30 PM
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Telling something they're beautiful isn't flirting, it's simping.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 06:00 PM
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Pretty sure I mentioned that I met them myself. Question is why do people assume they are so common if they don't commonly see them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 04:54 AM
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Not sure how you got that from my comment. They do, they just don't cause fat gain - only excess calories do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 04:52 AM
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I agree with your OP. I just don't see how evolution ties into this - as I said if it was about evolution socially unfit men wouldn't get to reproduce and pass on their genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 08:06 PM
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He doesn't have to be whiny or offensive to women at all to have them attack him. Even calmly stating that women select men mostly based on looks will do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 08:00 PM
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So people are just theorizing about their existence without actually seeing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 07:45 PM
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Yeah with insulin resistance you can't process protein correctly either. The main cause of insulin resistance is excess fat tissue though, and nobody is born fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 07:44 PM
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So yeah, it totally makes sense in an evolutionary psych way that how he interacts does matter to her unconscious atavistic brain when it comes to triggering her arousal. Isn't it the opposite? If social skills were so important to women, all socially unfit male genes would be wiped out long ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 07:42 PM
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Depends on how severely you lack in each of these aspects. I have to say though, it seems to me that people in this sub live in a different world sometimes. I can't even tell you when was the last time I ran into one of these socially awkward people that are supposed to be fairly common according to some people here. Maybe I meet one of them a year tops?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 06:24 PM
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nobody (hopefully🙄) really believes that women don’t have pores Unless you get uncomfortably close, it can be hard to tell if a woman has naturally clear skin or has a foundation on. Minimal makeup absolutely gets confused with no makeup all the time, women even make fun of men for that. Hell, a few women asked me if I'm using a foundation myself because of how clear my skin is. Shapewear? Sure, that can be deceptive but there are limits to what spandex can achieve. Chubby is still going to look…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 01:04 PM
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You pretty clearly stated that some "ugly" dudes are interesting in your eyes and some "good looking" guys are boring, that's what I was referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 12:49 PM
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Only conventionally attractive women matter when talking about it from a self-improvement perspective. E.g. what body type should an average man strive to have? A muscular lean physique since that's what most attractive women prefer. The fact that mom bad women prefer dad bod men doesn't matter in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 11:23 AM
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From what I saw most "progressive" women are only progressive in areas where it benefits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 10:42 AM
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Even the ugliest most vile woman can still fall into the "well she's at least fuckable" category It's funny how you think being vile has anything to do with being fuckable for any gender lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 10:24 AM
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Of course, his grandma told him so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 10:23 AM
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Almost ALL food in the US has additives, pesticides, and poisons None of which cause fat gain. Only excess calories do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 10:22 AM
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You're not the arbiter of what constitutes a relationship success, or what makes a person interesting / shallow though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/25 10:18 AM
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Not in that matter. Both men and women want to be wanted sexually by attractive people and don't want to be wanted sexually by unattractive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 08:27 AM
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This isn't really relevant. No where am I talking about "earning potential." I'm talking about the spirit of the OP - weighing personality vs looks It's refuting the myth that looks have a stronger influence on women's ability to find a partner than man's, which is directly relevant to your original comment claiming that women select mostly based on personality while men select mostly based on looks. Your second paper also isn't relevant. I'm sure fathers care less about who their own daughters'…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:45 PM
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That's fair. I know that normal conditions are more online based so looks matter even more, but if I gave you data from the apps you'd like it even less I reckon. But here's a couple more: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236183331_The_Predictive_Validity_of_Ideal_Partner_Preferences_A_Review_and_Meta-Analysis The evolutionary perspective predicts that (a) the physical attractiveness correlations should be larger for men than for women and (b) the earning prospects correlations should be…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:34 PM
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Not sure how that follows. It's extremely easy to find a guy with a good personality, evidenced by most men having male friends. Do you have the links to all of these studies? If you're referring to women selecting men based mostly on looks, sure. https://www.kaggle.com/code/alaakhaled/the-ugly-truth-of-people-decisions-in-speed-dating <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 02:11 PM
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You can change it - non surgical penis enlargement exists. See how quickly your argument falls apart,
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 01:49 PM
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For most of the women here, I think dating standards are mostly personality based If that was the case, most women would have little to no issues in dating. In reality men and women have pretty similar sexual selection criterias evidenced by studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 12:16 PM
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That's nice of you. But yeah having a big dick is amazing, regardless of what reddit will tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 10:29 AM
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Thanks. Though now that I think about it, I don't need to argue whether it's compared in relative or absolute, since the main point still remains - women care about big dicks more relatively to men. Who drives porn trends isn't as relevant to the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 10:05 AM
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What do you think? I said I've been doing it for multiple years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:58 AM
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You haven't substantiated your claim with stats regarding the % of male and female porn viewers, so I don't need to. The default assumption is it's 50/50,
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:56 AM
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Relative to men. That doesn't say anything beyond being compared to them. What you think makes sense or not is irrelevant unless you can cite the methodology they used.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:47 AM
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That's too little info. What matters is general trends, and according to all the available data most women prefer bigger dicks, some prefer average or smaller. Personally, I've been practicing penis enlargement for the past few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:45 AM
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How do you know it's not compared in absolute number of views and searches?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:43 AM
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You don't need to make everyone happy, you just need to make the biggest number of people happy. That's how conventional attractiveness works. Most actually fit women would prefer to be with a gymbro. Insecure women probably wouldn't, but they are usually unattractive anyway so it's not a big loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:40 AM
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But seriously some women like big dick, some don’t mind, some prefer smaller. Most women prefer bigger dicks, and some don't or prefer smaller. FTFY
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:38 AM
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Think about porn. It’s primarily catered to male prefefences (since men are the main consumers) and porn actors often have very large penises. Porn caters to men for the most part yeah. But when it comes to big dicks specifically, it's there mostly for women, evidenced by view and search stats. pornhub-men-women-top-searches-relative_2.png (500×529) pornhub-men-women-top-categories-relative_2.png (500×532)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:34 AM
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It's not about the amount of time someone spends thinking about the topic. It's about whether it matters or not and in which direction, simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 09:31 AM
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That's why it's horrendous advice when women tell a guy "he just needs to find 1 woman who likes him". Imaging being so dumb as to give up your entire leverage when it comes to sexual access.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 06:02 PM
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A) they don’t get asked out, meaning they are no guy’s first choice So? Most men only ever get asked out by girls below their league. when they see everyday men online taunting and ridiculing women for their appearances or when they overhear “locker room talk” and they hear how much men mock and degrade women who don’t look perfect. See: men mocking fat women on meta. Yeah that's social media for you. Be thankful that they're taunting you for being fat and not for being short. when the media sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 03:57 PM
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I see people make this claim, but I have literally never seen a woman say this That's what your issue was, I helped address that. What's with the sealioning now?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 03:51 PM
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You must be bad at statistics then. If an event is not a common occurrence, the chances of it happening 3 times in a row are slim to none. It was on the first page.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 01:21 PM
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In a row yes, I'll let you figure out what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 01:09 PM
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<image> Most posts there are from women as you can see.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 12:38 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/search/?q=i+can%27t+find+a+good+man&cId=e69322ae-2571-42d2-a15c-418010b4888f&iId=abb3a586-3d51-4813-a0c6-497ccd6273d9
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 06:49 AM
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Men tend to over inflate themselves and what they deserve. The difference is they quickly get a reality check when they approach a woman out of their league and get rejected or friendzoned.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 06:45 AM
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You asked for studies regarding women favoring looks vs everything else. Whether looks are objective or not is a different topic, but here are the studies regarding that. http://jonathanstray.com/papers/Langlois.pdf Common maxims about beauty suggest that attractiveness is not important in life. In contrast, both fitness-related evolutionary theory and socialization theory suggest that attractiveness influences development and interaction. In 11 meta-analyses, the authors evaluate these contradi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 06:52 PM
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So do men, but it's about what's more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 06:45 PM
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https://www.kaggle.com/code/jph84562/the-ugly-truth-of-people-decisions-in-speed-dating <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 06:44 PM
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But this does not reflect real world attraction. It does. Study after study women always favor physical attractiveness over all other characteristics, regardless of it being online vs offline.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 06:25 PM
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So women do get protected by tall muscular men after all?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 07:09 AM
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Everyone has biases, including and especially AI systems programmed by libs. Thankfully, we have data to eliminate said biases, so feel free to provide it to support your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 04:53 AM
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Maybe women shouldn't be more attracted to tall muscular men then? Since those traits only increase the danger to women as opposed to safety according to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 04:46 AM
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You would be attacked much more as I said. Who do you think fought off animals to protect women in the caveman days?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 05:17 AM
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What is the reason then?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 05:05 AM
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If not for the laws and law enforcement units created and staffed by men, you'd be attacked much, much more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:26 AM
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But unfortunately many male spaces devolve into toxicity for whatever reason. The reason is they were first lied to by women, and then gaslit about it. I don't condone the negativity and sometimes violence that comes out of it but the reason is obvious nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 05:19 AM
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That they’ll be more likely to cheat given the fact they can cheat with either gender That's pretty irrelevant, since most women aren't attracted to men who lack the option to cheat due to being unattractive either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:29 AM
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It is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 09:17 AM
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There's your answer then.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 05:35 AM
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Do you know the difference between average and median?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 05:06 AM
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“Creepy,” means scary. No, creepy is simply ignoring personal boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 05:01 AM
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When a woman throws herself at you, its an incredible feeling. You are desired. But what for? For being the most attractive person out there? Yes, that's what most people want, not just men. They don't want to be settled for, or seen as a means to an end.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 06:20 PM
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It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 06:06 PM
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That's understandable, but demisexual people are a tiny minority in any case.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:56 PM
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Being a chad isn't about performing anything, it's about carrying good genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:53 PM
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So? Since when does it matter what women say or don't say?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:52 PM
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Yet, their mother chose to be with their father. That was prior to social media, and for most of human history women were financially dependent on men, so they couldn't afford to select on looks like they do now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:21 PM
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but guys convince themselves this is cope and were all lying. Actually, sounds like your whole comment is doing just that for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:20 PM
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Women aren't men. If they just looked at a photo of a man and got attracted the same way men do the world wild have overpopulated centuries ag They can get attracted the same way men do, it's just the looks threshold for that instant attraction is magnitudes higher. That said, being attracted to someone doesn't mean you're gonna sleep with them, especially when it comes to women who face a lot of risks when doing that with unfamiliar men and who are afraid of getting pumped and dumped by men out…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 05:15 PM
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Physical attributes are an inherent part of you regardless of your willingness to admit it, and some of them are a result of your character traits such a discipline. Being wanted for them is the best because they signal primal attraction, while being wanted for things such as kindness, generosity, financial stability is worse because they can attract selfish people who want to exploit you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 05:17 AM
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And therefore whenever a woman seeks casual she'll have higher standards due to a surplus of men, thank you for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 05:12 AM
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A woman with a binary system? That's new.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 08:13 PM
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The idea that men find it more validating is …. well… odd to me. It suggests that they think physical attractiveness is, if not the only, the primary factor determining their worth. Their worth as a person? That's far fetched. But it is the best marker of genuine, primal desire from women - everything else can have a hidden motive behind it. If a woman wants to have no strings attached sex with you, you can be certain she wants you for you only.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 08:08 PM
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Speaking for all women eh? What happened to them not being a monolith?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 08:05 PM
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It's not that FWB guy is only good for sex and LTR guy is good for everything. It's more like, FWB guy is exceptional for sex and gets all the perks that come with it and the rest doesn't matter because it makes up for everything, while LTR can be just... decent for sex and for everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 08:01 PM
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"FWB material" is a guy who is cool for sex but incompatible/flawed in some way that makes me not want to spend too much time with him or merge lives with him That's fine if that's your opinion, but in most cases a guy who gets to be FWB with a woman is more sexually attractive than a guy who gets to be in LTR with a woman. Women claiming that it's harder to get LTR than FWB as a guy is laughable, and only inexperienced incels will believe it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 07:56 PM
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College is a thing indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:12 PM
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Chads are mostly sleeping with college girls who have way more free time than older, less attractive women who have a day job.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:09 PM
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I'm fit and hung, I eat pussy electively and it doesn't have much of an impact on my success.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 09:00 PM
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Most of my partners have said this and expressed more enthusiasm during it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 08:34 PM
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In the beginning of most of my relationships we had sex multiple times a day on weekends.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 08:26 PM
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No, most women just prefer vaginal intercourse over oral sex. It doesn't make you worse or anything, we're all individuals after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 08:23 PM
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If you read my comment carefully it doesn't have any bearing on my argument. But yeah, for most women it isn't. Exceptions exist though. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340051908_Female_Orgasm_and_Overall_Sexual_Function_and_Habits_A_Descriptive_Study_of_a_Cohort_of_US_Women Vaginal intercourse was reported by 62% of the overall cohort as the best trigger of orgasm, followed by external stimulation from the partner (48%) or themselves (37%)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 07:59 PM
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I like how women pick and choose when slut shaming is a commonly known and accepted thing and when it's a relic of the past that only incels engage with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 07:52 PM
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If men did the same thing that most women do in sex, neither gender would ever have orgasms, so yeah technically you're correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 07:48 PM
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Not really. Even if we assume that eating pussy is the most important skill in bed for men (it's not), a woman doesn't know if & how well a man is going to eat pussy before rejecting him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 07:46 PM
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Or maybe they get fucked more than you'd like to believe, I guess we'll never know.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 06:36 PM
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Yes, these women exist. No, this will never be most women regardless of how sexually attractive a guy is. I guess we'll never know, because most women have never been in an LTR with a chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 06:09 PM
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What do you mean regardless of what they look like? Their looks determine in which percentage they are to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 06:06 PM
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Them being introverts doesn't mean the aren't dating or having sex, especially considering we have social media and dating apps. They're only invisible if they're ugly, same as with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 05:21 AM
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That's not my problem. that's their problem - they come to reddit to complain about their partner watching porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 05:07 AM
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You said it yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 05:06 AM
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So it's not that you're boring, it's that all the people who don't find you fun are boring. That's a good one lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 07:16 PM
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What problem? You seem lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 07:15 PM
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That's what I tell women about porn too, but they won't listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 05:35 PM
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So is it fun telling stories or not? The commenter I was responding to was contradicting themselves. Or is it dependent on my interlocutor also having stories, and only then will they find it fun? How am I supposed to woo boring, storyless women then?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 05:21 PM
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Yeah you do it to get a quick adrenaline spike. But when talking about romance novels, women read them to add to their preexisting fantasies, it's a much deeper stuff than a simple horror.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 05:17 PM
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Outside of extremely shy, passive women (which is not my preferred type) most women make it quite obvious through body language and even speech when they're interested, and that isn't based off her initial assessment It is based on her initial assessment most of the time. I can VERY accurately predict if I'm going to succeed with a particular woman romantically within the first 5 seconds of the initial interaction, mostly just based on how she looks at me when I start talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 05:14 PM
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Then wonders why he's not invited to parties or has no fun stories It's not as fun telling the story ???
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 05:03 PM
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Not at all what I meant but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 11:14 AM
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Doesn't have to be a monolith when talking about general trends. People who use the word monolith give me the ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 10:28 AM
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Nah, men just like to point out that women's actions often don't match their words, and women in turn get upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/25 07:12 AM
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Are you an above average volleyball player? How about ice hockey? How good are you at using Quickbooks (I'm assuming you're not an accountant, but if you are pretend that I said AutoCAD)? How good are your plane flying skills? Do you know how to weld? I meant main areas that matter in life in general, not narrowly focused professional skills. Women insult guys they want to hurt with 'small dick' comments when they want to hurt them. Similar to how men call women they want to hurt, 'whores.' If t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 07:08 PM
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"Improve themselves" in that particular area when they are well within a standard deviation of the average dick size? Yeah, it's an insecurity. Your next paragraph is exactly why. I suppose we have fundamentally different world views then. I'm not content with being average in any area - be it physique, finances, intelligence or dick size. Agreed. Which is why romantically inexperienced men focusing on dick size are weird and insecure. They are mostly insecure because of women shaming small dick…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 06:26 PM
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...Nah, I'm good with my size. Won't quote it again here, because every time I do, I get accused of punching down, but there's more to 'using it' than just being a good size. It's not about your size, it's about your idea that the reason one would improve themselves is an underlying insecurity. Many women don't like to be 'porn pounded', and even the ones who enjoy rough sex, there are things to be avoided so you don't cause her pain. Tons of women have stories about horrible experiences with so…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 06:02 PM
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You need to look up some definitions, you've completely lost the plot. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rape
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 05:49 PM
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You equate the obligation to share financial resources under marriage (one of the core principles of the legal contract that is marriage) to marital rape. So now you're suddenly talking about obligations and not lovey-dovey care about your spouse's feelings type stuff, how convenient. Also, duty sex isn't rape by definition. Tell me, what do you prefer when you go out tonight, someone to steal all the cash you have on you, or someone to force their fat dick in your ass? I don't bring any cash wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 04:49 PM
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...By robbing girth to add to length and risking horrific complications? Imagine being so insecure that you have a well above average dick and basically castrate yourself because you want a cartoon porn dick, like some of the guys in that article. No, by increasing both with non-surgical methods. And self-improvement doesn't require insecurity for one to kick it off, you might be projecting here. Orgasm gap says that if a man can make her consistently orgasm, she's going to enjoy the sex. Sounds…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 04:43 PM
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Dick size. You can't change it, and girth matters more than length anyway. This is honestly a dumb thing to obsess over. Just get good in bed. There also seems to be a bunch of weird fetishists who seem to get off on dick size humiliation, which is just fucking weird, so this is one of those things that ties in with weird kinks. Not here to kink shame, but also not going to validate it. Unless a dude has a literal micropenis, this is a dumb thing to worry about. All the 5-6" guys will be fine if…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 04:16 PM
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That's certainly an opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 04:09 PM
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Just pointing out that it's all balanced out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 04:07 PM
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If the other person is not completely into it, and yet you feel comfortable enough to keep going, there is something deeply, deeply wrong in the sex you have. Frankly it sounds extremely rapey. I know she technically consents to let you use her body despite not being horny, but come on, can you really believe the experience will be pleasurable for her? The same can be said about financial support. Most women expect to receive it from their husband even if he doesn't wanna give it. So it's all fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 03:13 PM
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Because women lie about what matters in sexual attraction. It would be if women didn't try to confuse men about it. No, because it's a socially accepted rule and men don't lie about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 02:35 PM
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Attraction can't be negotiated so no. I just think they should mislead men less.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 01:38 PM
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Feel free to go and say what I said about women's sexual selection on one of the mainstream subs and we'll see if women agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 12:38 PM
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Sure you can improve your looks to some degree, but if we take height for instance, assuming you're a short guy unless you overcompensate in other areas you're most likely gonna have to settle for an overweight woman. But if I were to say something like that in a mainstream sub, women would get upset and call me words, that's the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 11:31 AM
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Women don't like hearing that just like men's, their sexual selection is based mostly on physical traits as opposed to "morally good" character traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 11:27 AM
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If only it were true. In reality women don't like hearing it because it threatens the illusion of women's virtuousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 09:49 AM
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So dudes just jack off to Stacies online instead. Like celebrities and IG models. But they still date your average Becky, that must mean men are actually more attracted to average Becky!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 04:21 AM
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Doesn't matter what you're told, what matters is how it affects your dating options in practice, and short men have it harder than tall women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 04:19 AM
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I mean, your comment is essentially saying "no you", it has no valid counter arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/25 04:18 AM
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Most women have access, but only for casual sex. To get long term commitment usually requires being conventionally attractive yourself, and given that an average woman in US is 180 lbs, it's safe to say most of them are far from being conventionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:35 PM
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I wasn't implying anything of this sort. I meant precisely what I said - most women don't have a chance to get serious commitment from a conventionally attractive man, therefore seeing average women date average men isn't proof that said women made a voluntary choice not to date a conventionally attractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:31 PM
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https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=conventionally+attractive+man And click image, you're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:26 PM
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Does being conventionally attractive means that you will appeal to most women ? Well yes same as being a conventionally attractive woman will appeak to most men but still beauty and taste is subjective. That's exactly the point men are making. Saying that women are attracted to the same men is just ridiculous and simply untrue because a walk into Walmart will show you that all kind of men with different looks are dating all kind women with different kind of looks. Most women don't have access to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 12:18 PM
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Most women get turned off and instantly reject you if they learn that you touched even 1 dick in your life as a guy, though they will virtue signal about how sex positive they are, fooling normie bluepillers as always.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 05:02 AM
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The difference is men never claimed to be experts in makeup, while every other woman will tell about how they're putting in so much more effort into their bodies than men, or how they've been on multiple diets or some other nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:49 PM
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Even high schoolers are blasting something nowadays due to how available it is, gymflation and all. Meanwhile women are complaining that not being fat is a harsh beauty standard lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:47 PM
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That too yeah, funnily enough I also always used the steroid-makeup analogy. Women in general are quite clueless about how dieting and muscle building / fat loss works.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:30 PM
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Also women don’t want the ultra buff muscle man that men think we do. Women themselves made up this strawman and keep fighting it over and over. Men know that most women want a guy with a good V-taper and low body fat, that's obvious to everyone with half a brain who knows how to use social media, well except for redpillers maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 04:22 PM
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Most people value sexual compatibility very highly and wouldn't consider a LTR with a sexually incompatible person, therefore it's best to figure that out as early as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 09:54 AM
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The word "Bad" isn't referring to a guy's sexual market value in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 08:45 AM
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I.e. it's a baseless assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 07:49 AM
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Yes women are more prone to being delusional about their level, but then again there's no evidence that women would rate an average man at a healthy weight as average either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:46 AM
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Obesity rates are similar amongst men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:09 AM
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Being shocked has nothing to do with the points he was responding to, and it's not even true because men often have to swipe right on women below their level due to dating apps having different market rules compared to real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:05 AM
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His argument should be immediately nullified then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 06:00 AM
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What happened? Someone presented the data that upsets you again?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 05:32 AM
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Sure, either way most people have similar preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 01:51 PM
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Which is very little. Most people aren't special regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 01:37 PM
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Because when a man says something that upsets you it means he doesn't get laid huh.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 12:05 PM
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Most women self improve for themselves not to be in a relationship Not exactly. Most women don't self-improve out of desperation to get any kind of relationship, but to get a relationship with a higher caliber man than they can currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 12:00 PM
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Oh I wouldn't be so sure. Once Trump succeeds in fully eliminating middle class, women might just do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:57 AM
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It's not about that - women are generally hypergamous and tend to only be satisfied when they're with a man who's superior to them in most aspects. Women are not attracted to a man dumber than them, similar to the height thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 11:53 AM
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Women are much less unique and more similar than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 08:06 AM
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Most women indeed like muscular men more than average men. Why is muscularity sexy? Tests of the fitness indicator hypothesis - PubMed "As predicted, women rate muscular men as sexier, more physically dominant and volatile, and less committed to their mates than nonmuscular men. Consistent with the inverted-U hypothesis of masculine traits, men with moderate muscularity are rated most attractive. Consistent with past research on fitness cues, across two measures, women indicate that their most r…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 08:05 AM
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If she worked on her personality a bit she would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 08:02 AM
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I emphasized "think" and "on average".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 02:04 PM
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Q4W: Who do you think gives better advice on how to be sexually attractive to women on average - women, or sexually successful men?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 11:56 AM
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So cougars are known for mundane, nonadventurous sex? Most women gain self-confidence, body positivity, and sexual charisma with age and experience that we lacked in our young and wild days, which makes for far better sex for us and our partners. Cougars are seeking sex with young, good-looking, endurant guys. You know, the exact opposite of themselves, because that's what most people actually care about when it comes to sex. Nobody gives a crap about how body positive you are if you have a huge…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 08:10 AM
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I think it only applies to a minority of people - most of them just wear a mask of political correctness to avoid being socially ostracized. I reckon most women get offended at it because it strips away a part of women-are-wonderful effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 06:36 PM
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The opposite - having a conventional standard makes it easy to improve your looks as it sets a clear target.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 06:31 PM
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I wonder why women get so upset when someone says that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 05:03 PM
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Fortunately, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 03:48 PM
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Most people have similar preferences, hence we have a term conventional attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 12:00 PM
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Cute guys who are “just providing dick” are typically dumpster diving. I see it in the hood all the time. Chad cant just offer dick and being cute to highly desired women. Highly desired woman isn't needed when you're just whoring around. Sexual variety with multiple semi-cute women beats commitment to a single highly desired woman in most cases, especially when you take the monetary aspect into account. People are generally socially calibrated enough to set at least somewhat adequate expectatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 09:19 AM
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Science is wrong less often than individual people are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 08:22 AM
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Are you a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 04:38 AM
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Does an average woman behave well..?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 04:38 AM
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Yes I assumed most men were aiming for relationship not hookup. And they say men have no idea what women want lol, in that case women are doubly clueless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 08:16 PM
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No I mean literally all the non-sexual interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 08:12 PM
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By things I meant sex. By free I meant not investing a lot of time into a girl prior to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:47 PM
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Does an average man not behave well?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:46 PM
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24 hours a day is a LOT of time It's not. 8 hours is sleep, 8-9 hours is work, 1-2 hours is commute, 1 hour is cooking / eating etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:12 PM
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I don't want to marry at all, I'm speaking in terms of LTR / FWB. But even for marriage, believe it or not, being hot doesn't mean you're bad marriage material, and until you've realized that, you're not mature enough to date. You also missed my point completely.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 07:05 PM
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If you didn't want them you'd break up with them first, but regardless, it has nothing to do with your confidence. I want to date an IG model, but I realize that I'm not attractive enough to do that, therefore I date less attractive women. It's about being practical, not lacking confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:52 PM
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Yes it would, in fact it is the main problem in dating - people wanting someone who doesn't want them back.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:47 PM
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Idk why guys are so desperate to be treated like that Getting things that less attractive men have to work for for free? Yeah that generally feels nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:44 PM
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Someone better in bed, someone smarter, someone buffer but guess what, we are not with that person for a reason. Is the implication that it was you who voluntarily chose not to be with him? What if it was actually him who broke up / played you? Most women don't marry their first choice after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:40 PM
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You seem to be contradicting yourself. First you said unkind behavior is a dealbreaker even if a woman likes your looks, now you're saying personality doesn't matter for hookups. Or do you assume that most men want to be liked long term over short term?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:21 PM
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Because if it was easy to improve everything at once he wouldn't be average to begin with. Only got 24 hours in a day so need to set priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:11 PM
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You can do both, but you can only maximize one because you have 24 hours in a day. It's obvious where you should pour most of your resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/25 06:08 PM
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Well the only thing to debate here is if an average man should focus mostly on improving his behavior instead of looks. The statement that behavior matters isn't hard to prove, I'd say it's rather pointless in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 08:17 PM
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Behavior obviously matters to a significant degree, but most men would be better off focusing on improving their looks to lower the requirements for other traits you mentioned. Building a better physique, hair styling, skin care, fixing your teeth is gonna net you much better results than trying to treat women better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 06:49 PM
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I mean, it's obviously true for the most part, for all people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 06:33 PM
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All environments are mostly looks based, except blind dates maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 06:29 PM
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I said that there's a difference if a man who hasn't had sex is asexual, otherwise there isn't. Voluntary vs involuntary is self-explanatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/25 05:56 PM
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Yeah women don't do that, unless the guy is hot, but then they still get sexual gratification so that's still a form of value.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 05:34 AM
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Incel is not a culture, it's a subset of population that wants to have sex but can't due to being unattractive, i.e. involuntary celibate. What views they have towards women is irrelevant in this case and doesn't affect their desirability much.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/25 05:28 AM
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I mean, unless you didn't get basic education you don't really need to google what "involuntary celibate" means. Those are pretty basic words.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 08:24 PM
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Improving your looks is MUCH easier and MUCH more beneficial to your dating success as a man than improving your finances, it's a no-brainer especially when you're young and guys who listen to RP bs telling them to postpone dating until they "get the bag" are in for a rude awakening.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 05:23 PM
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Because women associate male sexlessness with moral deficiencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:15 PM
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Incel and a guy who hasn't dated before mean the same thing, unless the latter is asexual which is exceedingly rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:14 PM
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-Their partner not gaining weight The very first point is already wrong. Most women gain weight as they age and yet they either have a husband (whom they're more likely to divorce themselves) or a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/25 01:08 PM
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Complaining about not getting getting laid or N counts? You seem confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/25 05:56 PM
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I've quite clearly stated that there's an overlap, but correlation != causation. E.g. there's a huge overlap between aging and grey hair, but as an old person you won't become young as a result of dyeing your hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 04:10 PM
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It has no demonstrable impact whatsoever. Incels become misogynists post-factum, not as a result of misogyny. If anything it's likely that amongst non-incel male demographic misogynists are on average more successful with women than male feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:56 PM
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For everyone with half a brain, yes. But women will die on a "misogyny kills yours chances" hill.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:51 PM
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I barely ever see men complaining, it's mostly them stating their preferences and women taking issues with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 12:21 PM
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You've confused yourself with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 06:51 AM
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Not at all. I did neither of these things and got lots of success on dating apps as a result of investing a few years into my looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 05:20 AM
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I don't think most men even believe in love regardless of their dating strategy. They know they either need to look good or benefit a woman materially in order to get affection. Most passport bros were out of luck with option #1 the moment they were born so that leaves them with not much choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 03:13 PM
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A hookup just needs to be good looking and not a serial killer Considering women view most men as below average, that's a high bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 03:10 PM
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Stats disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 12:12 PM
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Ironic. i’m not using logic here
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 10:48 AM
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Citation needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 10:48 AM
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Yes, the logic comes after the assumption that your observation is accurate. But if you concede that it's not...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 10:46 AM
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So by that logic, mathematically there's a subset of women who can never reproduce? If say 5/10 men date 6/10 women, 6/10 men date 7/10 women etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 10:43 AM
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It's not about what you find attractive but about conventional attractiveness. I'm curious then, what do you see - are men dating less attractive women or are women dating less attractive men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 09:51 AM
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Not ridiculous at all. Most couples you see on the streets are formed between people of similar attractiveness level.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 08:28 AM
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Their subjective belief is irrelevant. As long as you have options and it shows (e.g. she regularly sees other attractive women check you out, you're willing to walk away from unfavorable terms) you will not have to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 05:28 AM
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Eventually, that glam makeup and hair salon sessions will start to get paid for from out of your pocket. If you're below her looks level, sure she will expect a compensation. If you're looksmatched, that will not be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 05:00 AM
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Logically, nothing. But I've seen a lot of women claim that women's sexual attraction is based mostly on emotional attachment and not visual excitement.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 04:21 AM
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Why would most men think they're attractive when women rate them as below average?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/25 04:20 AM
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And (from the same study) men downplay the importance of earning potential Only dumb ones do. Smart guys know women like to be validated on their financial success and doing it increases your chances of getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 06:39 PM
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Most women have had casual sex at least once in their life, so that's wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 06:35 PM
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At least you admit that women select men based on looks when it comes to sex. So guys you just heard it from a woman - if your goal is having as much sex as possible you know what to focus on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 06:33 PM
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It doesn't mean sexy or desirable. These qualities aren't prioritized, but there's still a minimum threshold there. Same with genders reversed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 06:29 PM
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It is. Feel free to read some posts from women who learnt that their partner wasn't attracted to them initially but then grew fond of their personality. Women want to be wanted sexually, but only by attractive men. In fact the absence of it is a dealbreaker in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 06:25 PM
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No, it's just that if she's had sex quickly with someone before me but not with me, it means I'm not the most attractive option she's ever had, which is a dealbreaker for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/25 04:55 AM
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you go on high-effort dates that don't end with sex, then I think you can truly say he's in it for something else. If a woman is ok with a date not ending with sex being a regular occurrence, she's most likely not attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 07:46 PM
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Sure if a man has other advantages like good looks but most women don't care how altruistic a man is unless they can directly benefit from it, liberal or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 07:44 PM
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Not everyone believes a person's value should be reduced only to physical looks. That's just not the lens every person views others through. What does this have to do with most couples being looksmatched?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:53 PM
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most women put so much effort into their appearance since theyre a young age and youll never know that No, an average woman in US is like 180 lbs, that ain't much effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:43 PM
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why cant we, too, be evaluated basing on the person we are and not the genes we inherited? Women don't do it themselves, so why would they expect it from others? Kinda hypocritical. but they only notice the women theyre attracted to, and every other women doesnt exist to them, so to him every woman just needs to exist. right. Yes, just like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:37 PM
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Women don't care where the money comes from, they only care how much of it he's willing to spend on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:35 PM
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Considering women view most men as below average while wearing makeup themselves, that checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 07:32 PM
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Ugly men have 0 opportunities to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 05:56 PM
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In the case of passport bros, they also suspect there maybe exploitation of someone in poverty who doesn’t have many choices. You do realize someone in poverty has a choice to stay in poverty right? Nobody is forcing them out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 08:02 PM
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Once again, men generally don't care to pretend to have a moral high ground and morality isn't even the main reason female promiscuity is shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 07:40 PM
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Everyone is allowed to be disgusted by whatever they want, but that's not what the argument was about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 04:47 PM
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Ignoring the fact that women adjust the definition of "creep" to their liking, creeping on anyone is generally looked down upon. That doesn't apply to having a preference though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 04:30 PM
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Nah. The demand for women for casual is high, the supply is low, therefore women can pick a higher level man compared to the normal market.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 04:27 PM
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Pervert would mean your body isn't functioning as intended by nature. Do you have any evidence that men are biologically not supposed to get harder when fucking virgins compared to non-virgins?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 02:33 PM
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That will depends on how that woman looks, if she's had casual sex before me and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 02:31 PM
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Both men and women are very hypocritical in their preferences, that's the way of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 01:14 PM
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Most women have had casual sex at least at one point in their life, so his point stands. If you get 0 casual sex as a guy, you're not that attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 01:11 PM
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I've only seen maybe a couple guys in this sub that genuinely pushed the idea that you have to be a chad to even stand a chance. What you're likely referring to is men who complain that the best looking women have high looks threshold for their potential partner, but their frustration is understandable since the current societal narrative is you can date models as an average looking guy as long as you're kind and funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 01:10 PM
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Actual dating: the above, plus meet all my standards for a relationship. Nah, the looks standards are lower when it comes to long term for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 01:00 PM
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Also, can someone please explain to me why the uglier guys I’ve dated and fucked Because what women think is an ugly man is in fact an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 09:19 AM
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Lmao there's literally nothing more devastating to a man's social status and reputation than committing or god forbid marrying a known town bicycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 09:14 AM
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Even if a man dresses his preference in all kinds of politically correct coatings women get triggered.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 09:13 AM
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It's basically them not understanding female sexuality and projecting their own sexuality onto women So it's only women who have to outcompete every other woman a guy has been with?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 09:10 AM
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Like not to be vulgar but I genuinely think “fucking a virgin” makes some of them hornier and “harder.” Like it excites and arouses them in a way that makes me really uncomfortable. I don't know how you measured it but you're probably correct. Can't fight biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 09:09 AM
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A man can also have a preference for low N count because that's what he likes, how 'bout that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 09:07 AM
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Men generally don't care about pretending to be morally superior, that's a woman's job lol. The most commonly cited reason is higher N count is correlated with the likelihood of divorce and relationship dissatisfaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/25 09:04 AM
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A small minority. Most men can generally only get sex within the confines of a monogamous relationship so it creates the illusion that they don't want to be fuckboys, that in reality they didn't have a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 06:59 AM
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Men are much more open about it tho so why discuss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/25 06:39 AM
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Translation: men bad, women good.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 07:38 PM
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How does the study define desirability?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:02 PM
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That's correct. The only difference is a woman in this situation would still be able to have sex, increasing the chances of her having an inadequate self-assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:01 PM
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It doesn't support your point, all it says is that women are more likely to pursue men whom they perceive as less attractive, but there's no evidence that women can accurately assess one's attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 06:58 PM
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You mean that women are more likely to pursue men they perceive to be less attractive? Since when are individual women the arbiters of attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 06:56 PM
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You haven't quoted anything to support your point, you just linked a random study.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 06:55 PM
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Men are generally less delusional about their level than women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 06:51 PM
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You're lucky that men are open about it as opposed to women then.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 11:05 AM
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Not way more, maybe ever so slightly. Most couples are still looksmatched.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 05:22 PM
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No, but female gaze mostly cares about shoulders to waist ratio, both of which are dependent on bone structure assuming you're at an optimal weight, so without good genetics you won't have an aesthetic physique either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 05:19 PM
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I'll believe the data, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 09:35 AM
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So no evidence to back up your claims. Not unexpected.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 09:21 AM
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Feel free to link it. That is usually done in response to women crying "men are awful", when in reality it's "men out of your league are awful to YOU".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 09:19 AM
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Bi-weekly reminder that men aren't mad at women for being as visual as men, but for virtue signaling about prioritizing personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 09:11 AM
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What's the difference in the attractiveness level of men that approached you before and after surgery?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 09:08 AM
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However I have not seen the same cautionary advice about women directed at men. Surely attractive women being the most high value should be avoided for the same reasons. Men should seek out unattractive women as they will be more faithful due to lack of options and instead treat you kindly. Nobody tells average men not to go after models because average men have 0 access to models in any form, so there's no point in verbalizing it. But people sometimes tell men to go after fatties for instance i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 09:04 AM
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So do I understand correctly that you think it's perfectly acceptable to ask your date about their financial or medical stuff to then compare it to the actual records?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 08:40 AM
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A smaller social media presence makes vetting someone easier. If someone has a social media presence the smaller it is the easier it is to look through. That doesn't make sense. If I have no social media accounts, there's no info to go off of except what I decide to give you in our personal interaction. Then after dating while engaged and wedding planning there was another round of of vetting but here u vet his bank account and medical records. Assuming that's not illegal to access, how would yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 08:39 PM
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Straight (I should’ve clarified) men here are inclined to feel no need to invest in their appearance or improve themselves. Neither are women. Most women in US are fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:58 PM
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You're acting like every other person has a big social media presence. 99% of people are NPCs lol, nobody is ever gonna find out if an average Joe is a virgin or not unless he says it himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:48 PM
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It's defo fine to want a virgin while spinning plates. Most fat poor women want fit rich husbands, it works the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:16 PM
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So just lie about being a virgin then like women do, what's the big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:13 PM
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Loser means they lost at something where they wanted to win. Where did they lose?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:01 PM
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Where is the truth tho? Without credible sources it's just an opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 08:27 PM
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What about men who talk shit about women while getting pussy?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 08:23 PM
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Imagine thinking that random quotes are a reliable source of information.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 08:22 PM
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That's why science studies general trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 08:20 PM
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Model looking women date model looking men, and average women date average men because they fail get model looking men, after which they claim that they were after personality all along.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:36 PM
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An average looking guy winning over a model looking woman through acts of kindness has been a very popular movie trope. It doesn't make model looking women date average looking guys, if anything people just make fun of it on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 05:01 AM
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You don't need to be tall, you just have to not be below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/25 04:59 AM
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Same for being a "misogynist", yet women have no issues labelling everyone with it. I'm sure we can do the same for "gold digger".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 06:42 PM
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So incels were right in telling women what they should find attractive all along, who woulda thunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 06:41 PM
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Observations. Believe it or not, most gold diggers will never admit to being gold diggers, hence it's impossible to quantify scientifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 09:31 AM
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The point is it's a tiny minority of women, like <1%. The vast majority of both men and women pick partners based on sexual attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 06:19 AM
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Telling women that fat guys are attractive won't make them wet. The best way to become sexually attractive to women is improving your looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 04:41 AM
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We can dial up the slut shaming to 100 and women will still sexualize good looking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 04:37 AM
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why do so many of them refuse to care for their own look It's a global issue. Look at obesity rates for both genders and you'll realize neither cares about their look much.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 04:36 AM
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It’s why you will often see attractive women with unattractive or more average looking men, but you don’t often see attractive men with drastically less attractive women. I see both from time to time. The only difference is that women are more likely to be gold diggers than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 04:34 AM
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Women on average put way less effort in sex compared to men. That's your explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:44 AM
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It's not just about their abilities. Just being hot increases your partner's likelihood of orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:36 AM
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I have. https://imgur.com/a/womens-casual-partners-are-way-more-physically-attractive-sexually-superior-to-long-term-partners-husbands-latter-are-inferior-arent-attractive-enough-recreational-as-evidenced-from-responses-TViyiCJ The risks you mentioned are the reason the guy has to compensate with his hotness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:40 PM
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Obviously, I never claimed that there's 0 attraction. But the attraction is stronger with the guys she has casual sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:24 PM
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By "you" I meant an average woman. But good for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:19 PM
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Nah. You date ok looking men, but if it's just about sex looks standards becomes much higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:14 PM
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Lmao at women pretending they have the same looks standards for hookups and LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:40 PM
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I don't doubt it. Humans assess one's attractiveness subconsciously within a second of looking at them, so it's not a conscious process.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:25 PM
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Tall is conventionally attractive. Skinny says nothing about bone structure like shoulders to hips ratio. Feminine features doesn't say much - conventionally attractive features can be both masculine and feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:16 PM
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Most parent are fine with their children staying with them in late teens early twenties in the current economic climate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:47 PM
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They live with their parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:43 PM
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Sorry to break it to you but men who're terrible to women are having plenty of sex. In fact they are the ones women complain about most.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:33 PM
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Pardon me didn't realize you meant women have a high in group bias. Yes that's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:25 PM
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Neither are women, but getting laid isn't dependent on being nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 04:17 PM
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Most women don't go on dates with men they're not attracted to. So if they agree to go on a date, it means they find the guy good looking at minimum, which cancels out her alleged upkeep (even though there's not much upkeep to speak of here, an average woman in US is 170+ lbs).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:56 AM
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Most women expect a man to pay for the apartment they live it, and every social event or restaurant they attend together, gold diggers or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:47 AM
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It's not a problem at all, it's just funny that most women genuinely believe they have a unique type as opposed to wanting the same guy all other women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:43 AM
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Entering a relationship is generally financially beneficial for a woman, while it only drains resources from a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:42 AM
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If they're skinny they have a six pack by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 03:56 PM
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Because you're going to sabotage your social circle if you let the mask of political correctness slip, and women are least likely to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 03:13 PM
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For some reason people confuse demisexual with chadsexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 03:09 PM
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So you take women's words as gospel. Rough city.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 03:03 PM
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If a guy can get lots of sex through tinder he's very likely to be highly attractive to women. Come now, it ain't rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 03:01 PM
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Men go on dating apps to meet up and have sex, I guess I should've specified that instead of limiting it to just matches. If they fail to meet up and have sex then their self esteem goes down, but you're right that some people go on dating apps with no intention of ever meeting up but rather to get lots of attention. Spoiler alert - it's mostly women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 02:58 PM
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I am attracted to a very particular type Let me guess - conventionally attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 02:55 PM
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How do you know in what way women rate other women? Are you a mind reader or are you projecting your way of thinking onto the entire gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 02:50 PM
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Did you see the debate on the dude that lost weight and had men and women rate his before and after? All men said he looked better after, while women preferred him with higher body fat. The reason is women care mostly about facial attractiveness which deteriorated for him since facial fat was no longer hiding his wrinkles and a lack of collagen in the skin, meanwhile guys weren't even paying attention to the face and were rating solely based on the physique. But either way none of the hypothetic…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 02:46 PM
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That is how such statements are perceived if you don't add something like "personally", "in my opinion" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:03 PM
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You clearly said women should have this standard. The only men worth marriage are virgins specifically waiting for marriage. I'm saying it's not feasible for 99% of women unless they're ok with marrying an unattractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 07:59 PM
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Those men are likely to have exceedingly high standards that 99% of women will never meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 07:54 PM
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First relationships rarely work out First relationships are statistically most likely to work out than any subsequent number.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 07:53 PM
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Ah but here comes the problem - most male virgins are unattractive to women for reasons that aren't related to their sexual history or rather lack thereof.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 07:51 PM
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Always been about D count. Funny how the mainstream crowd is oblivious to the fact than women care about it much more than men do while and also pretend like they're sex positive fairies being oppressed by sex negative men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 07:49 PM
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No, they should work on their looks first and foremost. Even criminals have more options than they can entertain as long as they are hot enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 07:41 AM
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Monk mode worked out quite well for me. It wasn't that I was rejected by everyone, I just couldn't get reciprocal interest from girls I actually wanted. Rhinoplasty, braces and gym turned out to be a better way of increasing my attractiveness than reddit's favorite therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:25 PM
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Definitely should look at what people do, not what they say. Same thing applies to jacked guys vs dad bod.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 04:26 PM
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Inb4 women tell you most women have never had casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 06:49 AM
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Inaccurate assessment of their own attractiveness and / or lack of exposure to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 06:15 AM
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I only see 1 question in your comment. The answer is it depends on how accurately they can assess their attractiveness and to what extent they're willing to lower their standards. And things like exposure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 06:11 AM
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Most people rate themselves as more attractive than average, shocker that their dating results are not up to their expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 06:08 AM
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I see plenty of those women in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 06:05 AM
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He can go for a girl of a lower caliber who will perceive him as more of a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 05:26 AM
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Sorry if you got offended by the redditor thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 06:09 AM
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Biweekly reminder that women judge looks based on multiple factors and not just someone's face. Everyone does. Body is also important.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 05:51 AM
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Given that it's successfully replacing more and more people in the corporate world who are way smarter than most redditors, I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 05:50 AM
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Women do the same with men, they're just more likely to hide it behind virtue signaling.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 05:45 AM
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That's a good thing. ChatGPT is way more accurate when it comes to most topics than an average person, and especially average redditor.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 05:38 AM
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I don't really see that. Most industries that keep the modern civilization going and developing are male dominated, most people in the positions of power are men, men generally outearn women even if women are indeed more likely to get a useless sociology degree or whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 11:15 AM
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Why do you need to ask reddit women who're not representative of average women in real life? Isn't it easier to just... observe it yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 06:51 AM
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Not be a misogynist. That's getting harder to find each day Only if you use the reddit definition of the word, i.e. doing or saying anything that upsets a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 04:10 AM
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Evidently not. If women could play clueless to become the equivalent of a beautiful woman they wouldn't pay as much attention to beauty standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:52 PM
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So why are women complaining about how difficult it is to fit the beauty standards instead of just pretending to be easy to manipulate to increase their attractiveness to a similar degree? Seems like a much easier task.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:38 PM
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OP is clearly talking about the majority. If you disagree that it's a majority, that's a fundamental disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:12 PM
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"maybe some men" is your first statement implying that's it's a small minority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:06 PM
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It's obvious he doesn't need proof then.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:06 PM
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You didn't prove what you said, so why would he need to prove what he said? I'm not saying you're lying by the way, just pointing out the logical inconsistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 08:38 AM
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Women: Men are supericial pigs, they only care about looks! Also women: Old rich men are dating young supermodels because they're easy to manipulate!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 05:32 AM
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Lol, old rich men and young hot women are happily dating each other while fully acknowledging the transactional nature of their relationship. The only people who have a problem with that are jealous guys and jealous women online who think they're entitled to a rich old guy just because they're the same age as him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 05:29 AM
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People don't mate immediately upon meeting each other but rather a few years into a relationship, by which point a woman would reach the optimal age.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 05:14 AM
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Citation needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:28 PM
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Seeing women say one thing and do the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:15 PM
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Yeah by smashing ugly girls. We're talking about hot girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:15 PM
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You didn't give birth to said healthy children at 49, that's my point. And yes, if a woman's priority is healthy children she should pick a younger guy, but most of them already do that anyway since men also have a wall at 30 or so even if their sperm is still fine. Teenager is a very large age group, care to specify? As far as I remember there was a graph where men rated 21 year old women as most attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:13 PM
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Yeah because personal experience - you know, that thing that most women in this sub use to support all their points.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:07 PM
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If you didn't get lucky with genetics to pull hot women in high school you're a failure, nice to see a woman being honest for a change.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:03 PM
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Yes, it's very unintelligent to want healthy children.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:00 PM
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I'm consistently amused at how women mistake virtue signaling for empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 06:59 PM
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I'm not complaining, it's just the way of the world. A necessary stepping stone that most men don't have the luxury of avoiding if they ever want to experience a romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:15 PM
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I used to date women I wasn't really attracted to because that's all I could get. Maybe women can afford the luxury of "waiting for the right one" but men have to start somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:11 PM
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Can't hear you over the sound of my hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 05:35 PM
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Alright, I was just speaking in generalities. Most women are afraid of rejection because their self esteem is heavily dependant on how sexually desirable they are, so they typically wait for a man to take the risk of getting rejected when it comes to approaching or escalating.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 06:34 AM
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Yes and I asked you to describe me. Oh, if that's just your opinion then fine. I thought you were presenting it as a fact for a sec.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 03:06 PM
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Which way am I and why is taking someone's number and then having a good time with them wrong presumably?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 03:02 PM
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But using social media isn't. I got multiple numbers this way, so I reckon I'll stick to ignoring reddit's advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 02:52 PM
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Says the gender that has a passive role when it comes to escalation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 12:50 PM
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Me neither. Legitimately I've only seen it on reddit and I doubt most people advising it even follow their own advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 12:48 PM
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I already linked the stats multiple times, so I won. You're the one who presents your subjective opinion as data. I do gym incase my flair doesn't give that away. And I have a big dick so I'm not that concerned, I just wanna prevent misinformation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 12:41 PM
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Lmfao. Anakin was a laughable simp - he gifted her a robot before he even smashed her. He had a pretty face so she reciprocated, but he had no game.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 09:27 AM
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Passively.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 09:25 AM
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Most people use their phone for a few min between sets, that's a fine opportunity to approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:19 AM
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Women or people in general? Anyway, not in my experience at all. Most young women take full advantage of their peak smv to get free shit or date high smv guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 06:30 AM
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Yes what
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 06:29 AM
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7-9.1 qualifies as big also. And men to women ratio in porn viewers is irrelevant, women search for big dick porn more numerically.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 06:27 AM
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It's more valid than reddit comments. They also weren't inserting anything into their vagina, read the study and pay closer attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 03:31 PM
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Women's Preferences for Penis Size: A New Research Method Using Selection among 3D Models - PMC Women preferred a penis of slightly larger circumference and length for one-time (length = 6.4 inches/16.3 cm, circumference = 5.0 inches/12.7 cm) versus long-term (length = 6.3 inches/16.0 cm, circumference = 4.8 inches/12.2 cm) sexual partners. Go to calcSD - Penis Size Percentile Calculator, put the measurements 6.3x4.8 and select NBP, that size is bigger than 90.09% of the population. Your view of…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 01:38 PM
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All of these anecdotes sound good, but women are the main consumers of big dick porn, so something seems off.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 01:18 PM
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No, an average woman prefers an above average dick according to scientific data. Just like she prefers above average height, face, income etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 01:16 PM
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Nah, it's been studied and most women prefer above average. Reddit women are not representative of an average woman in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 01:13 PM
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That's normal to care about things attached to your body more than other people. Women care about their breasts / butt / hips more than men for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 01:11 PM
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Women are the primary consumers of big dick porn category, so you're way off.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 01:10 PM
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Or maybe you fantasize too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 08:46 AM
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I haven't seen any except escorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 08:19 AM
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Shame I haven't met any of them. But either way, you have to work for it if you're unsatisfied with your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 06:17 AM
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You don't see women being naive when it comes to short ugly broke men do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 06:16 AM
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You're not taking advantage of a younger woman. Most people are inherently selfish - if she wants do date you, it's because she expects to benefit from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 04:37 AM
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Rejecting a younger woman has nothing to do with morality. Same with rejecting a richer / more mascular guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 04:17 AM
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Nah, most women are gonna be considered attractive and have simps as long as they are thin and wear makeup, which is an absurdly low standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 07:06 PM
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Sure, but the general trends are still obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 06:57 PM
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I treat people the same regardless of their gender, what's that question even?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 05:23 PM
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It probably stems from women severely understating the importance of other physical traits when it comes to male attractiveness, they don't exactly have a good track record there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 05:17 PM
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The page you edited has a different web address. Maybe not, but I don't follow the masses, it leads to mediocrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 04:18 PM
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It's statistically irrelevant. The vast majority of hot women date hot men, a small minority are golddiggers dating loaded average men, and maybe a fraction of a fraction date ugly and otherwise average guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 06:31 AM
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Women don't base their attraction to a man on what his takes on various things are, it accounts to a tiny difference at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 06:26 AM
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Well, too bad she's gonna get bored of her average Joe husband and cheat on him with said hot fuckboys a few years into marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 06:21 AM
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You failed to edit the page I asked you to. You edited a random page that can't be found in a normal Google search. What reasonable person feels entitled to receive free information from someone on the internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 06:17 AM
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I don't think it requires being smooth not to reveal your disdain for someone assuming it exists. I don't doubt you met someone who was very open about it, the world is a big place, hence we use words like "most" when discussing dating dynamics. So are most men so socially inept or is it just some?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 07:37 PM
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You think most men who go for women less attractive than them broadcast a disdain for them? Seems like a stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 07:00 PM
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That also doesn't track with my experience. I started having more success once I put on a cocky persona.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 06:27 PM
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You failed to prove your statement in that thread. I said I'm fine with any cryptocurrency of your choice, I also didn't push you for it, you yourself asked for information. Seems like you're a pathological liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 05:06 PM
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A biological programming similar to a man wanting to nut - it's instinctual and doesn't aim at any great goals like supporting the society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:28 PM
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Citation needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:17 PM
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Hot dudes don't do that though. Why would they go for ugly women when average women are already easy mode for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:15 PM
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Hide what? You can't hide being better looking or more successful than someone, it's always very obvious. The reason I have more success with those women is because they see that they're getting a good deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:13 PM
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Women don't bear children to keep a society moving, they do it because of biological programming and as a way to have someone support them when they're old.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:11 PM
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You will never satisfy hypergamy if you don't give off that vibe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 04:09 PM
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Who forces women to have kids or take care of them? They don't earn less because they're women, they earn less because they work less, that's how economy works.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 02:19 PM
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That doesn't track with my experience. I've always done much better with women the bigger the attractiveness gap was (in my favor).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 02:17 PM
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Most women stopped prioritizing a partner's wealth ever since they got work rights. And income is consistently shown to be a much lesser predictor of romantic success compared to looks for men. I know it'll upset some redpillers but it's scientifically accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 02:13 PM
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I'm doing just fine as is, as the traits I've just listed is what most women care about when it comes to sexual attraction. At least the young ones that I go for. Maybe I'd need to be more exceptional if I was pursuing popular hot girls, but I can't be bothered, I'm already satisfied with what I can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:57 AM
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What happened to "wage gap"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:55 AM
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Well, who's problem is it that you see what you wanna see instead of what's being written? Being obvious doesn't diminish the value. Conventional attractiveness is both obvious and valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:12 AM
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Showing or saying? I won't bother to do the searching for you, just use keywords in this sub search bar and you'll find plenty. Personally, I'm above average face, height, physique, income, intelligence. I consider my sense of humor to be good, though that's subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 09:32 AM
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Some of it is down to dick size, though not all of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 09:29 AM
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Incorrect. For instance, the reason most women refuse to date bisexual men is because they know bisexual men have immense sexual access.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:18 PM
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I've seen them name plenty of things, you just have to pay attention when reading things. But then again as I said, this sub isn't representative of average people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:29 PM
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This sub isn't representative of average people. In real life you'll meet many more women who'll say that "they are the table" than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:17 AM
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I asked first.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 03:31 PM
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All women or most or some? There are women who use dating apps solely to boost their ego, not to go on dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 02:11 PM
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Depends. For a man his achievements in other areas of life are usually correlated with a quantity of women he can attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 12:52 PM
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I doubt he asked it for educational purposes. He likely asked that to improve his dating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 06:46 AM
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The main way is not the same as an optimal way. In general your life is likely gonna be subpar if you follow the masses instead of making your own choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 06:40 AM
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Even if you have a social circle of 100 people which would require immense effort, you won't have the same level of sexual opportunies as a guy who looks good and has learnt to cold approach without feeling nervous. You also can't choose the level of attractiveness of women available to you through a social circle, while you can try your luck with any level of woman on the street. Cold approaching also doesn't risk your reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 06:16 AM
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No, it's because they are just as sex negative as men are, but as usually the case they are more likely to virtue signal about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 06:07 AM
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I've always thought redpillers and infinitely more delusional than blackpillers, which is weird because redpill is considered less extremist and whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 05:57 AM
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Then you should've posted under the automod.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 05:42 AM
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That's your subjective opinion that's not related to the point of the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 04:24 AM
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Depends on what age group of women you're going for. If it's 18-21 boyish features help.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 04:21 AM
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Most men are also not muscular, doesn't mean being muscular doesn't make women more likely to sleep with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:04 PM
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Yes, so women should stop sleeping with misogynistic men if they want men not to be misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:45 PM
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Do all misogynists who get laid do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:38 PM
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If women didn't want men to be misogynistic, they wouldn't sleep with them to encourage said misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:30 PM
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So why criticize them if they help men accomplish their goals?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 04:22 PM
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Yeah, but women fail to mention that the eye catching packaging is only required if you wanna date a man in eye catching packaging, i.e. you get what you deserve.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:00 AM
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The commenter above could've just said V-taper. 1.6 shoulder to waist ratio appeals to the biggest number of women. Muscle mass and body fat % is more subjective and not as well studied, but anecdotally speaking around 12% with a moderate amount of muscle mass.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:11 AM
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You can aim to become conventionally attractive for practical reasons, not just psychological ones. If you want to have lots of casual sex, that's the obvious route to take. If you want to be monogamous, well guess what, women are still attracted to preselected men and she is less likely to become complacent in the relationship and gain weight or start treating you poorly if she has competition anxiety. There are 0 practical downsides to becoming more conventionally attractive. Well, apart from …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 05:44 AM
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I need data on why people go to sex workers, so far you've only offered your opinion. That'd make 2 of us. But alright, bluepillers are naive because they tend to lack critical thinking skills and are too prone to fallacies, just world fallacy in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 07:58 PM
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Not as naive as bluepillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 07:45 PM
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Chads don't pay for sex, in fact they can make older women pay them. Rich guys pay for sex with women out of their league physically speaking specifically because they can't attract them naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 07:39 PM
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It's easier to filter out people that way, doesn't mean I'm gonna pick a 2 N count woman over a 3 N count woman if a 3 N count woman is otherwise a better partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 07:14 PM
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I mean I don't really care about getting divorced if I'm married to a rich woman, if anything it only benefits me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:41 PM
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Women in this thread seem to be virtue signalling about how it's a question of morality rather than a lack of attractiveness to get sex naturally, but either way I hope no guy reading all of that is dumb enough to disclose having paid for sex in the past to his date - don't shoot yourself in foot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:38 PM
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Can you link the stats? Education reduces the chance of divorce afaik.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 04:57 PM
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Do you fuck without a condom?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:39 AM
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Use a VPN.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 06:39 PM
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It's not a matter of opinion as it's been studied. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10480972/ Men who are shorter than average appear to be at a disadvantage on the mating market: Their partners are more likely to be less healthy, have lower incomes and education, and have higher body mass index (BMI; Stulp, Mills, Pollet, & Barrett, 2014).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 05:52 PM
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What do you think, considering erections and libido are dependent on testosterone?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 05:40 PM
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Not really, it's just most men or people in general are out of shape slobs nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 05:34 PM
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Can you link the stats? Not that I was ever going to date any of these, but still curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:34 PM
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It seems to be an ego thing - people genuinely want to believe that they have achieved success as a result of their own effort, not as a result of luck. And yeah you can see genetically fortunate guys who claim that women flock to them because they put in immense effort into developing their personality or whatever. In reality, unless you're trying to sell a dating course that's actually detrimental to your social standing - 48 Laws of Power talks about why you should try to make your accomplish…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:33 PM
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Before. Of course it's not a direct causation. Divorcing requires signing a piece of paper, it has nothing to do with sleeping with someone. The fact still remains - marrying low N count people is statistically more likely to result in a stable marriage. I never said there was a gender difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:21 PM
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Except the way male protagonists are described in romantic novels puts porn actresses to shame in regards to how realistic it is. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason women don't watch porn as much is because no porn actor can match their absurd physical requirements to get horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:13 PM
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Women tend to gauge a guy's level of commitment more than men do before having sex because they have to carry a baby. Rizz has nothing to do with this - it's just an indicator of his social rank.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:10 PM
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LMAO, this might be the funniest one I've seen in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:04 PM
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There are levels to this. An obese woman who's nice will not be picked over a bitchy model by most men (assuming they have a choice). But there's an argument that say a cute 6/10 woman would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 02:01 PM
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Idk, the fact is higher N count people are statistically more likely to divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 01:58 PM
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Higher divorce rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 01:55 PM
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Some prefer low N count people due to being insecure about their body or sexual abilities, but there's no evidence to suggest it is the case for everyone, let alone the majority. Also, querying private medical information is not as easy as you're trying to portray it as, and virgins can carry STIs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 01:50 PM
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I don't date ugly women - I tend to date average / semi cute women while being above average myself. There are more levels of attractiveness than ugly and 10.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 12:45 PM
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So why do women cheat with a person who also doesn't share any of said effort? A woman won't try to deny sex to a man if she knows other women want him, it generally happens when she gets complacent knowing he can't attract any other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 12:09 PM
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Whenever they are called virgins or incels in an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 12:07 PM
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Most men don't read them, so they don't even know what's written there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 11:02 AM
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Things that make a man sexually attractive and by extension reduce the probability of a dead bedroom are not the same as those that contribute to a stable long term relationship. You're arguing completely different points.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 06:57 AM
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Short men get dates, but with less attractive women. Sure, they can control how dateable they are, but not to as large of a degree as women claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 04:36 AM
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Why are men shamed for not having sex? The world in a crual place, not just to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 04:26 AM
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Wait, does that mean most women view sex shamefully? Since you've presented 2 options and women themselves claim that most of them aren't interested in casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 04:23 AM
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