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I'm extremely hesitant to break that boundary between friends first then a relationship. I've probably missed countless signs from women who were my friends and wanted to date. It happened recently this past year, but by the time she started making hints about going out on a date, I was committed to another woman, and we never went out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 11:30 AM
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Might be lack of dating / relationship experience. I'm at the point where I can take a friendzoning early on with "guess she doesn't feel chemistry, but I'm still not just going to be her friend".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 11:25 AM
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I don't think men can really complain about getting friendzoned in general, but sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 10:51 AM
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It's great until it isn't. The financial side was never an issue from my end. She felt it was too imbalanced or that the gap was too large (I make probably 3x more than her). I asked if I ever made her feel like I ever held anything over her head financially, she said I bought her too many gifts and she couldn't reciprocate equally, which I never wanted or expected anything in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 11:51 AM
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That's not a "low value woman". A low value one would be a 40 year old, unmarried 4x4 (4 children by 4 baby daddies). They are not fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 11:45 AM
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Yes, I'm agreeing with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:48 PM
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Men being horny drives the entire economy. If it didn't take much to impress women, most luxury brands would go out of business.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 12:20 PM
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50% of women can get 1% of the men? That makes no mathematical sense... ✨GIRL MATH✨
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/24 02:03 PM
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Ok, are women EXPECTED to be mothers now? If not, throw out the rest of your antiquated expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 10:58 PM
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36M same with me and my gf. The world is chaotic enough to care for yourself, imagine having to care for another person solely dependant on you and your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 09:04 PM
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Guys on dating apps lying about their intentions, claiming they want relationships but then seeing multiple women and not liking 'labels' I wasn't getting the right "deal" per se. Once I found the woman I wanted to commit to, I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 08:58 PM
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No. We fucking don't. OK, I'll bite. Why do most women assume men should? And don't say "because they asked", because the vast majority of the time men ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 08:54 PM
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So what do you call having preferences/requirements for something you don't qualify for? I call it "entitlement"...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 08:50 PM
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It absolutely is entitlement if you're a 50th percentile woman and you won't settle for a less than 99th percentile man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 07:35 PM
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Doesn't matter, it's not a statically accurate comparison to dating trends, and as I said before, it's a bad analogy. Anyway, I'll play along. What's the old saying? 6ft, 6 figures, 6 inches? If you punch those numbers into a population calculator (adjust for "not obese" instead of 6 inches), and not married, you're looking at 0.28% of the US male population. Also, that sayings been around for decades. Adjusted for inflation, you're probably looking at 140-150k plus. Even worse than the "1% acce…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 07:26 PM
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You can: * Casually call her the b word * Nut on her face * Make her sit in the back so your boy can sit up front * Skip buying presents for Valentine's Day or anniversaries because she is too cool to care about that sappy stuff 1) i wouldn't do that to a woman I liked, so what's the point? 2) if she's into it, then why not? 3) see #1 4) I actually like buying the presents, and I do care about that sappy stuff, so I don't think we'd get along.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/24 06:07 AM
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I'll take your analogy of not getting accepted to college and run with it. Let's say you're the president of a country, and your country needs 5,000 doctors to effectively treat all of it's citizens and you have 500 currently employed. Currently, there's 200 medical schools in your country and they will only accept the 99th percentile of MCAT (or equivalent exam) test takers, so each year there's maybe 200-300 qualified students. Technically, being a doctor/surgeon isn't all that difficult. I've…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 04:20 PM
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I agree with what you've written. My original comment was "women should stop worrying about being pumped and dumped by choosing better men", as in men that won't, or don't have the option to, do that to them. Your response was "be hotter". What does that have to do with my comment? How does that address women who choose the wrong men? I've had more than enough casual sex (it's pretty much out of my system and that isn't my goal anymore) so I guess I am hot enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:52 PM
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No,I meant women have evolved to be much pickier than men. There’s a higher risk/cost associated with sex for them. If anything, birth control has allowed them to be less picky. Before birth control/safe abortion, there was much more risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 01:58 PM
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That's my point. When I was in my sleeping around phase, any woman who picked me should have picked better (if she was looking for something serious).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:40 AM
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What's that got to do with women being afraid of getting pumped and dumped? Seems like you're just attempting to insult me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:39 AM
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Based on some of the comments in here, it seems so. Even in my experience, getting past the 3rd date, there's maybe a 70-80% chance we've had sex by then. Some women have, or have tried, to make me wait longer than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 02:38 AM
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Choose better.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 02:35 AM
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3rd date, and we've been dating for about 6 months. If we aren't having sex by the 3rd date, or even close, I'm out. Not sure why women make men wait so long.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 12:28 AM
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I haven't seen an issue with it being a 36 year old guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 08:43 PM
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Society treats women with kid gloves IN GENERAL.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 01:47 PM
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The majority do though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 12:16 AM
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Your specific palette doesn't define what the market buys. Stop making this personal to you specifically. We're discussing generalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 03:02 PM
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Again, how much makeup is sold in skin tones vs non-natural colors?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 03:01 PM
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Labeling all women who wear makeup as deceptive is a sweeping generalization. Not all, but let's guess 95%. Even if it was 70%, that's still the vast majority. Do you think most makeup is sold in bright, unnatural colors or natural shades to match skintones?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:13 PM
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Again, that's not what's being debated here. The issue we're discussing is women using it to be deceptive about their natural looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:01 PM
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Then don't bring it into the debate as an artform when that's not what the majority of women use it as.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 11:50 AM
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makeup undeniably holds its place as an art form. That would apply here if most women were trying to make themselves look like a circus clown and not a more attractive version of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 11:31 AM
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Therefore being alone is better than being with them. This isn't that hard of a concept to grasp.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/24 03:55 PM
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Right, so making you finding someone compatible AS HARD AS POSSIBLE was the goal all along? Okay...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 01:53 PM
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And the man you want is within an extremely small subset of men. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 01:48 PM
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Thats their prerogative. I never claimed it wasn't. It's not always about "better" like what does that even mean. Better means better, whatever definition you want to use. doesn't necessarily mean they want better, they just want different Different, as in "better for them". Not sure why you're so resistant to this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 01:41 PM
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That's exactly what a rejection means. Why else would you reject someone unless you thought "being with them" is worse than alone or with someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 01:39 PM
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The only approach I ever engaged in was swiping on a dating app. I never approached women irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/24 01:38 PM
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"Well, I kind of do want a baby, and ill get paid money to do so, so that makes it worth it to me. Ill take some time off from my other job to do it." I also envision some women who really want to be mothers as saying "You want to pay me for being a mother and I get to retire at 65 without actually having worked in traditional employment? Thats my ideal job! Has 7 kids." I would protest this ridiculous idea until my dying breath if this somehow was suggested in the US legislation system.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 07:33 PM
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For the premise. Let’s assume we are talking about men living in populated areas. Therefore literally no man in that situation is alone. You're equating physical loneliness with emotional loneliness. Anyone could feel lonely in a subway car full of people. Are you implying that's impossible?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 07:30 PM
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Back in tinder's hey-day, no. It was just a "wanna come over" text and that's all it took.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 07:16 PM
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The risk is still there if you have to cross the street. Are you going to or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 07:13 PM
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Even if men are able to seperate sex and emotions better (which I doubt) We can. Science backs this up. they'd still be contributing to something they view as a problem by going out of their .way to have sex with women Doesn't matter, had sex. It's just as nonsensical as shaming porn stars while watching porn, why tf do you think they exist? > YOU < are the reason they exist, how tf are you going to judge them over it? I know you find this hard to believe, but entertainment and real life are com…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 07:12 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 07:07 PM
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Because you think men and women are completely equal, that is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:40 PM
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I was promiscuous, and yeah I do think I am. Why would I not be?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:39 PM
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I've gotten tired of the chase for random pussy and I've found a woman I want to settle with, so yeah, it does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:37 PM
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That's the equivalent of AF/BB, so yeah, men agree that it exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:34 PM
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"For recreational use only" You answered your own question in the first sentence of your post. Do you realize men and women don't need the same level of emotional connection, or even interest in communicating at all, than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:33 PM
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Disagree. My current gf, who isn't religious, has only had one previous partner/bf for a month and a half. A previous partner I had was relatively religious was a virgin (we only did oral) and we got along for a while. I don't see how these 2 groups are incompatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:29 PM
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I am keeping up financially and based on my dating history, I'd say I'm financially and physically attractive. So I'm a member of the high-earners women want and I'm telling you all: we do not care how much you make. You're still competing with all women regardless of your income.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:24 PM
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If a man doesn’t care about how much I make we don’t have the same financial goals and are therefore incompatible. Great, you just cut out another group of men making your dating pool EVEN smaller.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 06:22 PM
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That's a concern as well, but not as much as waste disposal or infrastructure maintenance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:04 PM
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Sure doesn't unless you're a 10/10 looks wise. I make a really good salary+bonuses and could care less what my partner/wife makes. I've dated career driven women who make as much and even more than me, the financial aspect never pushes them above a woman who's younger/better looking/more feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 02:00 PM
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So you should go back and read the context of what the discussion is actually about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:30 PM
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No, women need to reconcile that a lower earning man might be in their future. Biology won't allow it though. Maybe we return to the biological imperative that capable men should have multiple women...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 01:23 PM
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Still hanging on to that 5-10% huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 11:47 AM
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Ok, trash collectors, roofers and plumbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 11:47 AM
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The parent comment in the thread literally says "tomorrow". What's the deal with people not reading past the initial comment they're replying to? I'm done with this convo if you aren't going to see the entire context of the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:47 AM
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Men aren't keeping up. They are unfit, they aren't developing careers, and they are checking out of society. Aren't keeping up? When women get equal pay then still demand a higher earner, the math doesn't work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:45 AM
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No one ever did, but this is a good discussion point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:43 AM
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No it isn't. The hypothetical is that men disappear tomorrow. Also you're assuming these robots are being developed by only women. What a ridiculous concept. It's not a guilt trip, it's reality. The amount of women complaining about men without realizing they are the backbone of society not collapsing is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:40 AM
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"Some". 90-95% of manual labor and "dirty jobs" are filled by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:36 AM
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There's robots that can repair plumbing pipes, repair roofs, collect garbage, etc? Those are available right now and ready to be put into use tomorrow?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:35 AM
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If all men disappeared tomorrow, society would collapse in 2-3 business days.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:33 AM
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Notice how I said "not inebriated".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 10:28 AM
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Interested enough to get past her friend. You realize there's levels to interest, it's not a binary yes or no. If she wasn't there at all, the guy might have had a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 08:01 PM
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Ok, gi back and read the parent comment to this thread and my first response. This convo has gotten so far off from my original discussion point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 06:07 PM
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How come i've never seen the side of the girl who got hit on before? Because if she was instantly attracted and not inebriated she would have gone past her friend and not got cockblocked. I figured that was pretty obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 05:57 PM
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If a cute girl approached you and asked you out, would you turn her down? When I was single, nope. She wouldn't even have to be that attractive either. I think you missed the point of this whole convo.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 05:52 PM
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That's my point. Go back to my original comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 05:50 PM
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So your story attests to my point but you still disagree with it? Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 05:06 PM
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Re-read what I said. Mythical Chad isn't one guy that appeals to every woman on earth, he's different and specific to every woman's taste, ie it's different for every woman. I find it hard to believe that you'd pass on a guy who's exactly what you wanted, wants to move at the same speed into commitment that you do, all because, let's say, you have a big work meeting next week so you can't go out with him this weekend.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 04:41 PM
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Yes, if you can't agree that it's any person's responsibility to discern lies from truth, we can't have a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 04:38 PM
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It's your responsibility to ask and evaluate his answer
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 04:34 PM
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Ok, so mythical Chad is exactly what you want in a man and is personally descriptive of what you want. That doesn't change the concept much.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 04:33 PM
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Yeah I see it as an excuse. He either is or isn't the right guy, including being interested in marrying you, and it's on women to figure it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 04:06 PM
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You'll find her. I did. The random sex gets old after a few years.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 04:00 PM
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Why wait for the financial stability if you're planning on marrying them anyway? That makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 03:59 PM
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So you're telling me Hugh Hefner was still "hot" up until his death?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 03:56 PM
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Men only want to be with a (sexually inexperienced) woman who has visceral lust for him, right? Yes. I'm experiencing that now. She's admittedly only had one previous partner (I could tell by how awkward her movements on top during sex were the first couple of times). I could be wrong, or she could have lied, but it's plausible. Men (generally) don’t want to commit to a relationship in the first few dates but DO expect sex in the first few dates otherwise she’s “withholding sex” or “playing game…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 03:55 PM
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That is correct. I wouldn't date a woman who made, I don't know, 20% more than me. I know that relationship would be doomed with the constant nagging and probable resentment from my end because I'd be footing the bill most of the time because chivalry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 03:44 PM
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already got something else going on or I just don't feel a romantic connection with him. I'm not holding out thinking i will do "better" just different. The rejection implies you can do better, whether it's a better person or a better situation to put yourself in, that's the whole point of rejecting someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 03:42 PM
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30 yr old, single women in GENERAL, shouldn't expect more than average. Fixed it for you. Men don't care what job women have, not high earning men anyway. I could care less if the woman I'm dating makes as much as me, but I'd rather she not make a whole lot more than me because I'd know she'd be nagging me to push my career even further.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 03:40 PM
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Men never hit a wall. They're in a pool, either above or under water (how much money he has).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 03:14 PM
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The vast majority of hot guys settle down when they find someone they think is special. Not implying I'm hot, but that's what I'm going through now. I finally found someone special and worth my emotional and financial investment, and long-term commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 03:08 PM
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I'm 36 and my cut off for dating is 29. Women over 30 seem either jaded or want to rush into the relationship to marriage & kids. Women in their 20s typically look better and are more pleasant to be around. Sure they're more dramatic sometimes, but I can deal with that over nagging and rushing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 03:00 PM
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A woman on a mission to seduce you, equivalent to a hitman trying to kill you, probably could over time and persistence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 01:12 PM
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I think you missed the entire point. Men's largest advantage over women is physical strength. Women's largest advantage over men is leveraging their sexuality. He's questioning why women who abuse that advantage aren't scrutinized as much. It's thought provoking and I'd never considered it before.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 01:09 PM
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Every time I've tried it, it hasn't worked out. YMMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 10:14 AM
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I find it to be extremely selfish given children raised by single women do worse in every possible metric. You're seeing up your child for failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 05:40 AM
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Women don't want to be held accountable. Notice how most of the preferences men have are within women's control, ie weight, amount of makeup worn, n-count, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 06:18 PM
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I'd argue moreso given how rare attractive men are. If you take women's swipe/like rate through online dating, they seem to only like the top 5-10% of men, so you'd assume they're trying hard to hang on to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 11:27 PM
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Not everyone, but a somewhat significant amount of women. Men don't know what they're doing for the first couple of times they have sex, so experience is important. Women don't either, but rarely do women even have to do that much for sex to be enjoyable for both parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 07:26 PM
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'Evolutionary biology' operates under whatever assumptions you want. No, it just exists. Humans traditionally lived in tribes and sperm competition is a known thing, it's literally why dicks are shaped the way they are. You realize this makes you argument sound like women are literally just walking sperm repositories for random men to bust one into in the hopes that his sperm wins, right? Having children with many different men ensured that all the kids would get protection from the fathers as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:47 PM
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Yeah, but positively given women typically want a man who's experienced in the bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:30 PM
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I couldn't agree more. I recently started dating an au pair from Brazil and she's so different from the women born and raised in the states. I feel like I hit the lottery every time we're together. She's the first woman I've thought about marrying in the past 7 or 8 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 01:58 PM
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Sex with numerous men does. The statistics show that trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 01:55 PM
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Yup… men indirectly call themselves dirty and tainted all the time… We already know society has deemed us as disposable, so this isn't that insulting. If a man’s penis causes a woman to become dirty and defiled, that means men must be dirty defiled themselves then 🤷🏽‍♀️ Nope, more of the woman's choice to open themselves up to the risk involved with non-committal sex. Even if we did see other men's penises as being dirty/defiling (I could see the argument for it), that just makes even more sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 01:54 PM
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I do, but then again I refuse to approach irl, so I guess "error, divided by 0".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 01:25 PM
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No, it's evolutionary biology. I can guarantee the vast majority of women prefer and are seeking monogamy. If I had to guess, atleast 10x more men than women would want polygyny. I'd say less than 5% of women would prefer polyandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 01:23 PM
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Nope, because men and women are different. Typically women are wired to find the highest quality man and try to make him settle with her. A woman who's trying to rack up the highest count just because clearly has something crossed in her biological wiring.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 11:53 AM
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He didn't get the joke lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:03 AM
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It is if that's your current goal. From an evolutionary biology standpoint, that is THE goal. I'd argue that, indirectly, nearly everything a straight man does is to get more / better women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:02 AM
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No, but you want a man who has the ability to have one, but chose you over a harem of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:00 AM
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Houses also appreciate in value over time...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:58 AM
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Because of variety, the thrill of the chase, the feeling of achieving a goal you set and racking up your count. I've been a "Chad/Tyrone" when I was in better physical shape and had the harem, per se, while also dating other women or just inviting them over for sex instead of a first date. There's an old saying, "the only thing better than pussy is new pussy", and it's kind of true. When I was dating a girl I'd rate and 8/10, it'd still be in the back of my mind, the thoughts of "I wonder who el…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:52 AM
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Someone in that friendship is unattractive...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:20 PM
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Ah yes, men are the ones yelling "small dick energy", not women...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 07:15 PM
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Whatever, we can go back and forth forever about who started it. Women are the one's perpetuating it. Straight men could care less about the size of someone else's penis.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 04:43 PM
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No, I mean women started using it as some form of shaming towards men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 03:50 PM
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I would assume women started it. Men don't care what size another man's penis is, but women would.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/23 01:13 PM
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People are stupid. Well, I think they just like to argue, or it's a case of "I'm not like other girls".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 12:47 PM
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Still doesn't seem like a house husband. The equivalent housewife wouldn't be working at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 11:45 PM
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He's still, I'm assuming, leaving the house for 20+ hours a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 11:33 PM
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House husband would imply he doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/23 09:18 PM
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Yes, they join the convent VOLUNTARILY. Also, anyone can pay for sex, or lower their standards, so technically most online are volcel as well. That's not what's being debated here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:26 AM
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Tate is a rapist and sex trafficker. Allegedly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:16 AM
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If he's getting laid, in*el wouldn't apply, hence he isn't involuntarily celibate anymore. Let's just be clear here, you wouldnt call a Priest a inc*l. Yeah, you wouldn't because it's voluntary. The chose to become a priest AND celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:15 AM
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"Outdated" doesn't invalidate biological programming that's been baked into our DNA for millenia.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 03:00 PM
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Wait, the entire premise of your post is wondering why men dismiss you for the things you like, yet you're doing the same thing to them based on what they like. Why are you confused?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 02:50 PM
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I'm in America. Also, I trust most women to not be completely manipulative, or trust my ability to navigate through it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 08:19 PM
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But they usually will. Women are more likely to hold that over your head than a man would because traditionally a man is supposed to be the main provider. As soon as it's the woman, it goes to shit. I've seen it a bunch of times.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 07:34 PM
2

You can, but it doesn't hold as much weight when they aren't paying to maintain your lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:53 PM
2

Nope. What are you getting at?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:59 PM
3

Deranged manipulator because she had the financial backing to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:08 PM
1

Good for your dad. In your own experiences, it's a 50:50, still way too high of odds for me, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:08 PM
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That's because most men want emotionally fulfilling relationships, not purely sexual ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 01:00 PM
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A perfect example of why men don't want women that outearn them or have more resources than them. Call it "being intimidated" all you want, it's more "I don't want to be mentally/emotionally abused for not making more money".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 12:55 PM
0

I lost mine at 27, so it's not over. I've had a ton of sex with many women, so you aren't doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 01:41 PM
3

No one's wasting their time on midjourney when tube sites have limitless amounts of free videos.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 01:36 PM
2

Fair point. Only date chicks you can throw 5ft into the air.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:53 AM
2

So women like good looking men? We already knew that. They like good looking criminals too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:32 AM
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Good looking simps don't exist in large numbers for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:01 AM
6

So they're losing money which is worse than giving nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:01 AM
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You shouldn't be upset, but you should get into the gym you weakling. Also, this doesn't happen to me because I don't date women I can't lift.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:54 AM
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Pushback would be useful if it was backed by statistics or observable reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 12:11 AM
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You’re basing that off of? Basing it off of dating app statistics and observable reality. Then you’ll bring up your anecdotal evidence of 1 fat woman who wants a guy who’s 6 feet and apply that to every woman. We guess what, over 60% of women want men over 6ft, so they aren't outliers: https://twitter.com/TheRabbitHole84/status/1684629709001490432?s=19 You're not going to tell me men are the ones being too choosy in heterosexual dating like there hasn't been decades of statistics and experience …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:12 PM
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I'm basing it off of mathematics. I literally noted 55th-percentile, yet you're arguing against the idea that equally ranked men and women are both equal to each other. they’re not chasing after woman below or equal to them now are they? Chasing would imply someone is out of the other's league, so yeah, I wouldn't expect equally ranked coupling, as in an average man and a cute/ok looking woman, to involve any chasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 01:42 PM
1

Read the title of the post you're defending.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 01:38 PM
1

its the guys who started making more money, got into shape, etc but still can’t date the type of women they want And this tiny subset of the population are destroying the dating market... Sure thing bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 01:05 PM
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2s and 3s are 20% of the male population based on objective mathematics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 01:02 PM
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Sounds like too many women have higher expectations than what they're qualified for. If we're looking at it objectively, a 55th-percentile woman thinks she deserves more than the 55th-percentile man. She wants 80th or 90th-percentile and is confused why he won't settle for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:59 PM
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Personally, I'm not struggling. I'd argue more women than men are struggling due to their own preferences and decisions, which in turn effects everyone else in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:42 PM
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You understand that you don't "just work" to become a millionaire, right? No amount of work will make that happen. Some luck, genetically or hereditarily, is required. Even if you're seriously making this argument, what percentage of men are single millionaires, then what percentage of them are below average looks-wise, aka not professional athletes? You're talking about an extremely small percentage of men that are "wrecking" the dating market... The OP is fallacious and you're weakly defending…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:36 AM
1

If it would be that bad for a man, imagine how hard a woman would have it...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:32 AM
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Yeah, they're so lucky that the paradox of choice has crippled them with indecisiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:26 AM
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And that tiny subset of people are the ROOT of the issues with the dating market? That's far too few people to shoulder the blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:16 AM
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A "woman out of his league" has a modeling contract or is on some millionaire's boat, so he wouldn't see her anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:13 AM
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You know OP is referring to the average man in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:06 AM
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Source: objective reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:03 AM
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A 10/10 woman is either a model or ridiculously attractive. Most average men know they don't even have a chance with them. OP's entire post, and your comment, has "average men" where "average women" should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 04:01 AM
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Based on statistics from women, you'd probably need to fuck different people to ever cum given a ton of them have never gotten a partner to get them to that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:27 PM
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That's my point. It's like saying "you can't fire me because I quit". It wasn't your option to turn them down because they never wanted you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 10:06 PM
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That's not what's being posited here. The idea is that men should turn down the women who WANT to sleep with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 01:56 PM
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Not really, logic would dictate there's a high bar and a low bar of performance. There's no other way to test that out unless you started racking up an n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 01:09 PM
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he’s wack at sex How would you know unless you already had a large enough sample size to compare against? Also, all of these "you go on 3 dates" is what, 2-3 weeks each time? Still takes a while to get a high count.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:10 PM
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The point is most women don't want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:38 PM
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Not really. checks divorce rates
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:28 PM
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Men and women are different, what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 05:35 PM
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They want love and relationships with top 10% men and can't get it. It's the same as a man who can't get sex from any woman, but we're supposed to think it's different... It's not that different.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:27 PM
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Is it really victim blaming though? Let's say I invested my life savings in some company a year before they collapsed. I'm not really a victim. I invested in the wrong company and lost, it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 08:57 PM
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Women choose toxic men because it's exciting. They could choose a comfortable life, but they'd be bored.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 08:52 PM
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That's just because it's a nice round number.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 03:47 PM
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Yeah it isn't even because women don't understand math.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:47 PM
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I think the argument is that even if you aren't ohysically attractive, having your finances in order helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:08 PM
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No, connecting how a standard distribution model works. The fact that 17% of men are rated above the median in attractiveness prove women don't get it. The okcupid study didn't say "is this person attractive enough to sleep with" it was grouped out to most and least.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 11:25 AM
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Because that's not how math and standard distribution works.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:00 AM
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They probably cost a monthly subscription...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:17 AM
2

I think there's a limit on "too many" tattoos, but tattoos by themselves won't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 02:06 AM
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Obviously not if you've ever tried to escalate a conversation sexually on there. Nowadays you can't, but 4-5 years ago it was a known hookups-focused app.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 01:36 PM
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Not very. I've got tons of close friends I can confide in.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 01:32 PM
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My first LTR, and regular sex partner, was with my 18 year old gf when I was 29, so it does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/23 10:37 PM
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Maybe that's just what the average man looks like?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:12 PM
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Women's standards are far too high given the vast majority of them wouldn't accept an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 01:38 AM
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That doesn't address my point as to why men want women with less trauma. You'd think women would want younger men because of this, but they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 02:46 PM
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"extremely high"? Find me some statistics if you're just going to throw out an adjective like extreme. You're implying it's higher than the average divorce rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 02:37 PM
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You said "you can't lock down a human being", implying you don't understand that it's just a saying, not literal. I've dealt with enough women to know that, on AVERAGE, older women collect more and more trauma the older they get. The average older women has more unprocessed trauma than the average younger woman. That's why I don't date women over 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 01:30 PM
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Older men who are at their heights financially can.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 01:26 PM
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Most 20 year women who are trying to "lock down a relationship" are more than likely going after older men who have hit their financial stride. They aren't trying to find another 20 year old who's struggling financially also.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 01:23 PM
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Is that you? Why are you posting that ig account so much?
/r/AllPillDebate19/09/23 02:33 AM
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No clue. Why does everyone in here claim they're the exception when it comes to dating women with high body counts or dating a man who makes less than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 06:11 PM
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Probably because he's interested in how the users of this sub answer, not the general populace.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 03:49 PM
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Men overestimating their looks is dwarfed by the picky-ness of women, therefore it's inconsequential
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 01:46 AM
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I don't think you're lying, but I don't think you can even explain your own line of thinking, so I don't believe you Edit: corrected "I'm" to "I don't"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:47 PM
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She means negative emotions and toxicity, more than likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:27 PM
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You can't even explain how the switch to "brother mode" works, yet you know for a fact that you need "emotions to start seeing someone romantically" then that leads to sexuality... I don't believe you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 06:25 PM
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I'd say some advice you've heard already: get in the gym and make more money. That's what I did, but I was also around when tinder was still a decent app and not a complete POS. I got so much action through tinder during it's golden age. Personally, I don't socialize to find women and primarily rely on apps, and they're almost all going downhill, at least that what everyone is saying, but I could be aging out of the dating pool I usually deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 04:37 AM
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If it's arranged then the spark doesn't start it at all, an agreement does. Again, the spark is not an indicator of a relationship being successful, or even useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:38 PM
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More than likely, after a while they actually like them and want to have sex with them. You're just assuming the worst. The hilarious part of this argument is that the majority of dead bedrooms happen in relationships where the 2 people were at some point attracted to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:27 PM
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And? You're just assuming their being mistreated and have some reason to leave. Maybe a culture without "no-fault divorce" is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:09 PM
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Most arranged marriages that hepoen with one party moving to a western country has similar results.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 05:05 PM
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The fact that arranged marriages last much longer than more common ones prove the "spark" is not a gauge on what makes a relationship successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 04:52 PM
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Before I even read the comments I knew it'd be a bunch of "well, I'd take this part from A and D, but then C, blah blah blah..." It's a hypothetical. Just pick a letter without the hemming and hawing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:28 PM
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We simply dont live in a time where it is feasible, both economically and especially socially It's not feasible for the bottom 90% of men, but the majority of women are all chasing the top 10%, so they don't see that the math doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 12:36 PM
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Most actors and actresses get jobs based on their acting ability, not just their looks. Sure, some objectively bad actors only get the job because of their looks, but the majority don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 03:48 PM
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I agree, but you evidence/example is a movie. A fictional movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 09:36 PM
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And of course here on PPD is just about she trying to look 'single' instead of you know, they are more private about their relationship and dont feel the need to put their relationship on social media... Or they don't feel confident in the relationship lasting knowing they'd have to go through and delete the photos later. At least that why I never posted one of my exes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 12:25 PM
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Well, given how fat people in general are, combined with who's actually filing for divorce, the men aren't the ones doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:47 PM
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We only live one life, and we owe to ourselves to be with a partner that we deserve. See, this is where the problem lies. No one really deserves anything. You get what you seek and qualify for. That's it. And if he is a "great guy", you probably need to suck it up and make it work. So many women assume they're going to have a blast in the dating market, get divorced, then realize how shitty it is here. More often than not, you aren't going to get the same level of commitment from a guy better th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:46 PM
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It's a problem if they want a partner and won't decrease their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 01:41 PM
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Not for me. I make more than enough to support myself and her if necessary. What's your income? Just a rough range.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 01:40 AM
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I would, not one in debt, but one who didn't have a considerable income? Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 01:07 AM
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I'd say definitely 1, maybe 2, of women I've dated I'm on bad terms with. Of the women I slept with maybe 10-20% I'm on good terms with and I believe they'd want to meet up again? Honestly I'd have no clue how to know how many didn't have a good time or wouldn't want to sleep with me again.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 09:40 PM
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It's reasonable for women to want that, but men typically don't care if the woman makes significantly less. The issue women don't seem to understand is that if your income standard for men is "as much as I make or more", the more the woman makes the smaller the pool of eligible bachelors becomes. Then they want to get mad at the men who do make as much as them for choosing women who are better looking but make less money.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 07:20 PM
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Yes, your ability to argue does suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:59 PM
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I've slept with close to if not over 100 women. I've been on dates with probably 400 different women. I can tell the difference between when a woman is genuinely attracted to me and when she's just trying to extract commitment/money/energy/etc from me. I've been strung along before, early on in my eating experiences, through 6-8 dates and waited almost 3 months for sex. I've had one tell me directly "we're going to wait 6 months before we have sex", so I ghosted her, then we had sex 2 weeks afte…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:34 PM
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For women, yes. For men? You probably should before you look for a long term relationship / marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:21 PM
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Why bring up accomplishments? No one cares or even alluded to it. How about you stay on topic?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:20 PM
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I could care less about what women who are having children out of wedlock do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:04 PM
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Options for sex or a one night stand, definitely not marriage unless the guy is 50+
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:00 PM
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Because that's based on marriages, which are already on the decline, not long term relationships which they don't have hard statistics on.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 04:59 PM
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Even a 40yr old man making average money is going to better on the dating market than a 40yr old woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 04:56 PM
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Tell me who has more to offer or is worth more in the dating market, a 40 year old unmarried male lawyer making 250k/yr or female with the exact same stats? Who's going to get a better partner? Who has more options?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 04:46 PM
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Most men care much more about physical attractiveness than they do about being on the same mental level as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 04:44 PM
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But we aren't arguing the Wal has to do with women's accomplishments. In fact, most men could care less.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 04:38 PM
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The popular, ie coming from the majority of the population, insult directed to a man who can't get laid is virgin, and even worse incel. We can't have a discussion if we can't come to a generalization of what society thinks or what the majority of a group does.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 03:12 PM
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Bad boys have confidence because of lived experience. Some nice guy can't just manifest attractive confidence out of nowhere. Women like the "confidence", in quotes because it's actually dismissiveness, bad boys exude because women love drama. They crave the emotions generated from trying to be with a man that could disappear and leave them in 1-2 business days. The "mistreatment" they complain about is in reality the way any man would treat one of many options.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 01:13 PM
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I don't see the hypocrisy in that, especially if the man can afford it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 11:22 AM
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Goldigger is used to criticize women who want to marry rich. You explicitly mentioned the word "rich". The point I'm making is that out of all of the insults you listed, gold digger is the only on that fits. Most men would not date a woman who openly says she wants a high earner/wealthy husband. This is one of the most complained about standards in the manosphere and other male spaces. Doesn't matter. That's not what's being argued here. Regardless, what I see being argued most in the manosphere…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 01:49 AM
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No, but they've called women goldiggers, prostitutes, entitled, height queens, desperate and so on. Only gold digger even applies to that, but ok. Women are called goldiggers despite any bio-explanation. No, most men understand women biologically crave provisioning. We get that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 12:53 AM
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I understand what feminism is. I just find it hilarious that you'll defend women from being shamed for their choices vs men who are shamed for something typically out of their control.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:46 PM
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Ok, I believe sexism can affect both genders. Do you think it's sexist, or misandrist, to shame a man that can't have sex with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:30 PM
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Doesn't matter, and that's not what I asked. You think sexism can only affect women? It's impossible to be sexist against a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:08 PM
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Is it sexist to shame a man who can't get women to have sex with him?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:00 PM
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Well, take the inverse. We don't applaud men for NOT having sex, when in fact we shame them with terms like "incel and virgin". Is there an equivalent shaming word for virgin women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:57 PM
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"Women want tall, rich, handsome men because they're short, broke/lazy and ugly." - said no man ever. Men understand the biological/historical reasoning behind them and don't try to equate the preference against something related. Why can't women understand the biological reasoning behind not wanting high n-count women regarding paternity/disease?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:54 PM
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Not so much the size, but the satisfaction she got from it. I'd assume she's comparing everytime we've had sex to one of her many previous partners and realizing I don't meet that expectation. Now you may assume my line of thinking is neurotic, but I could avoid all of it by finding a virgin/low n-count woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:50 PM
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I think the average man would take a thinner, more agreeable, Filipina vs your average western woman. You really think they'd go through the trouble of getting a passport, paying for the ticket and moving to a completely different country while not even being attracted to the women there?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 11:41 AM
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Too many assumptions. Most cheaters are not all these things. They'd have to be to be able to cheat. You think undesirable men have enough options to cheat, let alone get 1 stable partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 01:07 PM
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I think it's borderline narcissism to not be able to empathize with someone who may have a different perspective. It's ridiculous to have to even ask this question, let alone make a post about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:59 PM
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No, it isn't. It's reality. Maybe it's sad to you because you haven't grown up from a male perspective. We don't need close, borderline romantic, relationships with platonic friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/23 01:54 PM
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Men barely get a choice in women, so what are you even talking about? The average man has very few options.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 05:53 PM
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I had a similar situation. One of the best relationships I had, outside of her mental health issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:28 PM
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People accepted it not knowing how bad they were. Now we're aware.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 11:44 AM
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Some dating apps require your height to be displayed, ie Hinge.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 04:09 AM
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Fair point. So all love is conditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:08 PM
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Men's "love" is dependent on things like sex, how submissive a woman is and how she makes him feel. When she is all submissive and obedient, this makes him feel like a man. So what? The only unconditional love is between children and their parents, and even that has its limits. Every other form of love is conditional. Women expect men to provide or at least have some form of income. Women should forget the idea of men playing the role of being the leader and provider in a relationship, and men p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:27 PM
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The masculinization of women is leading to more feminine men becoming attractive... Or they're just famous and can dance.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:01 AM
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Not very good. The vast majority of women want an masculine man, and taller more masculine women want an even larger, more masculine man than she presents. Your chances are extremely low.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 11:00 AM
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Unconditional love is an illusion
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 05:49 PM
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My point is that they aren't "settling", in my opinion dating at the same level they are, at the same rates as before. The projections of so many women being single/childless by 2030 and 2035 are evidence of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 11:25 AM
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It definitely won't until women remove some of their standards/preferences. Women already do it as they get older because they know they can't make the same demands. If younger women started doing it, the market may correct itself, but projections don't point that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:37 AM
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Women are the ones with the extremely delusional "standards". Logically, women will mostly be settling since they all want a top 20% guy and more than 20% of them eventually get into a LTR/get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 10:18 AM
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The most masculine thing imaginable is bedding the most women possible. CMV
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:56 PM
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-They never want to pay for anything because "thats unfair". Like aren't men supposed to be natural providers? I guess not. I haven't seen this in real life. Maybe it's because I'm in my 30s, but I have not heard one of my friends say this, or even my female acquaintances say this had happened to them. -They are emotionally weak. I mean look at men online they spend most of their time complaining or playing video games instead of doing anything real with their lives. Do you know men in real life…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:54 PM
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Being shallow about things that can be controlled (weight, finding a partner before aging out) vs things controlled by genetics (height, facial structure) are COMPLETELY different.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:35 PM
1

A job is a transaction. Work for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:25 PM
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The meeting part is fun. The ghosting, whether it's your or them or mutual, is the part that sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:23 PM
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Extinct, and if not extinct, society itself would be much worse off. Men would have little to no drive to invent, innovate or make themselves a better option to reproduce with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 04:12 PM
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Notice how when you make an analogy about men being cars, none of us get mad because the analogy is useful...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:54 PM
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That's not the point. They obviously feel some sort of attraction, or interest, enough to swipe right/match, then either come over to fuck or go out on a date. I severely doubt the "match rates" of an in person interaction would be much different from online dating statistics. Not sure if someone's done stats on speed dating, but I would expect similar rates of women liking the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:47 PM
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I don't understand how you get from "forced births" to "men will get the rights to financial abortion". I don't see how these 2 are connected. If the government is basically forcing women to have children, they'd have even more money moving through the child support system. Also, there are tons of children floating through the foster system that don't get adopted. Not sure where you're seeing the demand for adopted children being fulfilled. There's way more supply than there is demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:29 PM
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From what I've noticed, the whole height thing is comparative, as in how tall you look against other men, not how tall you seem vs that specific woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 01:25 PM
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The 80/20 rule still applies. Those conservative women, regardless of where they rank, are still going after the top 20% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:55 PM
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Date women who are equally conservative and reserved Those are in extremely short supply.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:25 PM
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Even a genuinely nice guy with no ulterior motives is getting passed up if he doesn't meet the looks requirement, or isn't better looking than the other guy the woman is talking to. Pretending to have no romantic or sexual interest isn't "nice", it's dishonest. Performing phony chivalry in an attempt to obligate a woman isn't nice. So what do you suggest a genuinely nice guy to do? Start off an interaction with a woman with "well, before I ask for your number, just know I am sexually attracted t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 08:13 PM
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The retort to this thread is that men who act like "assholes", regardless of their attractiveness, do better with women. And maybe it's not compromising integrity. When I learned to be more blunt and speak what's on my mind, I had way more success with women. You should change "integrity" with "the woman's feefees" in that last sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 07:31 PM
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So? Men's biological imperative is to be as promiscuous as possible and women's is to only be with the highest value partner. You, and society, may think you've outsmarted millenia of biological programming, but you haven't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 07:08 PM
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What you're describing is a sociopathic sex addict. I didn't describe this hypothetical man's traits/demeanor at all. I could literally take your world view and add "also sleep with as many women as possible" to the end of it, and you could still be ethical and moral, all while trying to get your notch count into the thousands.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 07:01 PM
4

And cheat on your AI hologram gf? Geez.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:53 PM
1

They obviously do if they haven't been exposed to them intimately, or even in private company.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:44 PM
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I find it hilarious that the men who have been around the most women, and inside the most women, know how they truly are, what turns them on, and why it's borderline disgusting. And before someone says "nuh uh, not all women", I guarantee my sample size is much larger than yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:43 PM
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Yeah, the locker room talk trope is complete nonsense. I talk the exact same way around women, men, mixed company, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:42 PM
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They're the ones doing the running.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:40 PM
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Why? Because they might tell you the truth about how women as a whole operate?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:39 PM
0

Disagree. Fulfilling your basest biological imperative to reproduce, or at least simulate it with contraceptive, is rewarded with serotonin for a reason. You might think you've evolved beyond that need, but every human being on the planet had that drive to some extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:38 PM
1

Hilarious that there's a 4% gap between women and men based on being single... Sounds like a lot of women are in one-sided relationships in their own minds while their "bf" is still dating other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:22 PM
3

Would you agree that incels are dangerous? If so, your stance sounds like "let the incels remain incels" which in my opinion is well thought out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:16 PM
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Now you're just splitting hairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 06:13 PM
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Ted Bundy wouldn't have nearly the same victim count if he looked like Brian Peppers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 03:47 PM
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Ironic. They hate men but love the money they gave them. I used to watch that show and the vast majority of the workers at the bunny ranch didn't have a disgust of men. Secondly, Cathouse and the bunny ranch were completely different shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 03:45 PM
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Nice guys don’t get rejected because they’re misogynistic. They get rejected because they do the exact opposite, they pedestalize. That's worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 03:39 PM
1

Jay-Z is at a minimum, financially and status-wise extremely attractive, physically attractive to some.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:47 PM
1

Red Pill may have something to teach but it is ugly. The truth is usually ugly, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:23 PM
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You'd have to understand your audience if you plan to hold power over them, so your explanation is flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:19 PM
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It's not irrelevant. Choosing to have sex with someone is driven from the biological drive to procreate, outside of sex-workers I guess, but even then the customer is fulfilling that biological drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:03 PM
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All of those definitions imply the guy is fucking one of the women. Ie "won't commit" etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:43 PM
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This is from the Oxford dictionary: fuck·boy /ˈfəkˌboi/ nounVULGAR SLANG•DEROGATORY a weak or contemptible man. a man who has many casual sexual partners. Read that last sentence again. Find me a definition that even gets close to what you claimed it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:31 PM
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Again, yet another definition of a term bastardized by "this is a negative term so it applies to everyone I dislike". That sounds more like a skirt-chaser or a womanizer. A fuck boy was always a guy that leads on women to sleep with them then ghosts them. The fucking part is operative to the definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:27 PM
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I guess you missed where procreate is in quotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:22 PM
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Because they can't attract a partner to cheat with, let alone have a partner to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 07:00 PM
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Impossible. They aren't fucking if they're 4s. I have to assume your rating scale is way off.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:59 PM
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Now you're asking for too much. gasp asking a woman to not date up?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:58 PM
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It's the subconscious drive to reproduce, not actually reproducing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:54 PM
1

That's not what I said. Go back and read what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:28 PM
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If your goal is to retire as early as possible, overworking while you're young is essentially necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:26 PM
1

Simp and beta are pretty straightforward in what traits they are insulting. I don't think I've seen either of them used in the wrong context.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:26 PM
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Most people don't. And most people would rather have their own kids or adopt.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:25 PM
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Being more attractive definitely doesn't cover up the disagreeableness. The main problem is most women are completely average but think they're above average and can get away with not compromising.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:15 PM
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Regardless, if both women were above average I'd take the one that was more agreeable. I'm wondering where you're going with this. Do you think it's acceptable to not be agreeable/nice of you're more attractive than average?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 04:05 PM
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The majority of women are 4-6 on a bell curve distribution, so yeah. I'd take a 5 (completely average) that was reasonably easy to get along with, vs another average woman that was combative and disagreeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:48 PM
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Well, sign me up. If I was forced to get married, I'd rather be married to a woman like that than the average raving feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:46 PM
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It's the feminist equivalent to "woke" that they hate so much; a catch-all insult for everything you don't like and barely describes the thing in the first place. Same with inc*l.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:37 PM
1

It's necessary depending on what your goals are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:30 PM
1

I think most guys “who don’t want kids” wouldn’t mind your deal assuming the daughter was reasonably old enough. Wrong. Most guys, whether they want children or not, don't want to invest in a child that isn't theirs, let alone invest in a kid at all if they don't want children. I don't want children, my own but definitely NOT someone else's.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 03:25 PM
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Obviously. As if women weren't already afraid of men enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 07:23 PM
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Most marriages end in divorce. If I were in that position, I'd rather be with a younger woman that brought me happiness and youthfulness than with some older, jaded hag... Just being fair here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 07:12 PM
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There is a large subset of men who WILL have sex one way or another. "Large subset"? Yeah, no. Good fear mongering tactic though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 07:06 PM
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No one said anything about settling down. You said an equal partner that challenges you. You don't think and 18 year old would benefit from that? You make it sound like 18 year old women HAVE to get strung along by Chad for 2-3 years and he won't give her a commitment. What I find scary is how many men on here claim they haven’t changed since 18, that’s going to hinder your dating far more than anything else Most men have always wanted women with traits that are very straight forward. "Nice, not…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 01:30 PM
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You're helping prove my point. You should have wanted a partner from the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 05:06 AM
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So it's even worse then if a smaller population of women are the ones participating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:02 AM
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Because this idea of “settling” is a new thing made up by redpillers. The term settling way outdates the concept or even idea of the red pill. Are you joking? And none of my friends have ever expressed that they settled or anything like that. I swear, you people don't think anything happens unless you directly see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 01:46 AM
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They are the most accurate statistics and data you could get from a large amount of people. What's a better arena to get metrics from? Just saying "I don't see it with my eyes" is obviously not good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 01:44 AM
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Again, your idea of stable was wrong then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 01:40 AM
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Real life statistics though. I trust those over anecdotal stories. The sample size is larger.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 08:48 PM
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Would you say more 18 year old men or 18 year old women want stability? For some reason y'all love to give men a pass for their degenerate behavior but women are supposed to want to be serious with dudes to have no intentions of being serious at thr same young ages. Yes, men are by default more degenerative. And who said women should partner with men their own age? They shouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 08:30 PM
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So I keep reading here. But fail to see in real life. Look at dating app statistics. That's more actionable evidence with hard statistics than the anecdotal "I don't see it in real life". Does it? Women seem to want to stay single. Women can have kids without men. You might want to, but the vast majority of women want marriage and children. Statistics and surveys show this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:33 PM
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The fact that you didn't want someone stable and sane at 18 is definitely a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 06:31 PM
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IN THE WORLD, not in the US or UK.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:34 PM
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How can you tell if it was love or settling from just looking at a couple you don't know? I'd err on the side of "most women say they want someone taller, so she's either part of the minority that doesn't care or she settled".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:34 PM
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That's a good point. I only know of one, literally one, couple where the man is much shorter. I've seen a few, like Bruno Malfacine and his wife, but you're talking a multiple time jiu-jitsu world champion, not an average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:32 PM
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There's more men than women in the US, and even the UK for that matter. I'm not concerned with world statistics more than nationwide statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:29 PM
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Probably not, because most women only want about 10-15% of men. Those men wouldn't "go their own way" because they're getting sex and attention from the majority of women. Not sure how that imbalance helps women, or your argument in general. Men, regardless of how unattractive you think they are, removing themselves from the dating market hurts women more than it hurts the men that left.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:26 PM
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More single men than women? Yes, because a lot of women are "dating" the same men and assuming/reporting it as a real relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:22 PM
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Some women are, but the vast majority of women still want marriage & children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:20 PM
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What's more reliable: what women say or what women do? They might settle for a guy that's shorter but what they wanted was someone taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 04:16 PM
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Ah, so not just you, you AND your 6 other friends invalidated decades of dating statistics involving millions of people, not just 6 people...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 02:57 PM
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Not really, but when you add a height requirement into the other massive list of requirements, like age, income, race, etc, that's how you get to the extremely low percentage chances you can find on that igotstandardsbro.com site. Women who are around 5ft might have a good chance of finding someone 6" taller, but the women around 5'10-6'2 are just boned.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 02:56 PM
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It's not a skill issue when you hear what multiple women say through surveys, interviews, on dating apps, etc. Great, your "lots" of women just invalidated decades of statistics... You understand the concept of "anecdotal" evidence, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 02:49 PM
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Possible. Self-improvement is a good thing for yourself as a person, yet women still disqualify men for genetically based issues: height, face, dick size, etc., so self-improvement has its limits.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 02:43 PM
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And? It's still prevalent. I'd argue at least 90% of them want the man to be 4-6" taller than them, and probably 30-40% want 6ft or taller.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 02:41 PM
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It's definitely a gender problem when only women's standards/preferences change over time. That shows you were either too picky at the beginning or you valued the wrong things. The excuse of "I was young and didn't know better" is bullshit. Someone close to you told you to not want the "bad boy with no steady job or goals in life" yet they continue to chase him until they hit 30 then "settle" for the safe, stable guy. They should have went for the stable guy from the beginning but they never rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 02:25 PM
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If only the top 10-20% of men are deemed desirable, how can you force the other 80% to meet those standards? It's impossible. If every man was over 6ft and made over 100k, the metric would shift. It would then be "must be 6'8 and make over 180k".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 02:09 PM
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Yes there is. When you're around your highest "value"/SMV (imo around 22-25) you want the bad boy who only wants fun and you assume you'll be the one to get him to settle down. Now that you're 40, you want stability and are willing to bend on a lot of your previous standards. This isn't about you specifically but women in general. This is basically the life story of every 40 year old single woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 01:26 PM
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It’s changed, what I found attractive at 18 is different at 40 That's the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 01:02 PM
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Hopefully he doesn't discuss women over 30's SMV and watch FNF videos on his free time, lol. He doesn't have to, odd are his culture already taught him those things indirectly. Unless you're going to Scandinavia western Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:22 AM
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Biologically, the first scenario. Sociologically, the second scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 01:58 PM
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"Deal breakers: under 150lbs, blonde, non-expired pilots license..."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 02:25 PM
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But you don't have to also be a doctor. You could be a CNA, work in the pharmacy, or be a cashier in the cafeteria...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 12:28 PM
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Explain better than "nuh uh, you're wrong"...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 11:57 AM
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Ok, maybe I'm being a little facetious. The top 5-10% of men are getting the pick of the litter, and the remaining 90-95% are getting women in poverty, ghettos and trailer parks that are willing to have a child out of wedlock. Not sure if that's better than "nothing", but I'll concede to your example.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 03:15 PM
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We've gone over this so many times already. The market works for the top 5-10% of men. The other 90-95% get scraps, or nothing. Somehow you're claiming this is just or balanced when it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 02:51 PM
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It’s not true attraction you’re creating. It’s a niggling feeling of “why is this mid guy treating me like I’m not attractive? It doesn’t make sense….I am attractive….no? Or does he treat me like this because he’s got lots of options? How is that possible he’s mid?” As the one utilizing this strategy, it wouldn't matter because it worked. I'm more concerned with results than the path traveled. I'm not really concerned with true attraction unless it's a LTR or marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 01:54 PM
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Pick up artist
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 01:42 PM
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No, that's not how this debate sub works. We're looking for real answers, not complaints from a 2nd party perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 01:40 PM
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The only people answering should be former PUAs, not someone playing out some revenge fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 12:53 PM
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Why are you answering this question for someone else? Unless that's what you did and you're answering for what you've done in some odd 3rd person perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 12:17 PM
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Men and women are different. That's like being a cat and blaming a dog for barking.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/23 11:37 AM
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Women enjoy double standards too, so what's the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 02:33 PM
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A woman cheating typically involves emotional investment, so no. It's different. Men and women are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 02:30 PM
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Women cheating typically involves so form of emotion, at least I'd hope women weren't just fucking any guy without some form of investment with him, which would be yet another reason I'd break it off with her. Men and women are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 02:27 PM
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Women cheating typically involves so form of emotion, at least I'd hope women weren't just fucking any guy without some form of investment with him, which would be yet another reason I'd break it off with her. Men and women are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 02:21 PM
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You missed the part where it said your partner would ever find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 02:15 PM
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The difference is the man is married. That's a ridiculous notion that just leaving a marriage shouldn't be shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 01:36 PM
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and men still get married everyday. your point? My point is that they shouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:12 PM
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The reason doesn't matter. You could do everything right and she still has the ability to leave if she wants. And regarding a statistic like this, you'd never get solid answers as to why. I'd rather not lie to myself and everyone else during the whole vows part of the wedding, therefore I'm probably not going to get married, but the majority of people who get married don't seem to have an issue with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:12 PM
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40% x 70% of divorces being initiated by women calculates to a 28% chance that my wife will want to leave me. No way in hell I'm leveraging my finances on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:03 PM
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women who just want to be cat ladies. Most of them don't, they end up as cat ladies due to their poor dating decisions then claim "I wanted this". That's what we're ridiculing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:01 PM
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Ok? Your singular situation doesn't invalidate the thousands of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 06:59 PM
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Yet they do it every day. Now, I think people should be married before having children, but I also believe what OP said.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 06:56 PM
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Yes, manipulating someone to benefit their own life could be a good thing. When I was dating my ex I convinced her to change her major from photography to something actually useful, IT, and now she's doing pretty well career wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:50 PM
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The last thing I need is more female friends, especially one I find attractive and wanted to date, so this is basically useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 10:08 PM
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has a provider mindset, Just the mindset or the ability? Good luck finding someone overseas and can move to the US and make enough money. Unless you planned on staying in that country of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 10:01 PM
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No, that's not the point. The point is people will jump on a deal if offered a really good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 09:44 PM
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You just contradicted yourself. Secondly, you can't tell who's a fuck boy until you know their motivations.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 04:52 PM
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You could just say "make sure she isn't super fat. If she is, I'm leaving." I really don't understand why people have an aversion to saying this to other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 01:24 PM
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Plus a lot of guys don't like women who are even at a BMI of like, 26. Now you're just splitting hairs. 26 is so borderline to obese and unnoticeable. No guy is looking at a woman and says "I thought her bmi was 22, but the more I look, it's more like 26. Pass."...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 01:19 PM
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Throwing girls around makes men try to show they are best in some of the worst ways. This right here needed to be said. It even happens in adulthood, maybe to a lesser extent, but everyone has had that one immature friend that will throw one of male friends under the bus if women are around and listening to the convo.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 08:20 PM
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Um I would find it very suspicious if someone wanted to sell me a car for 100 bucks. Also I am not in the market for a car anyways. Most people don’t like being approached by salespeople no matter what they are selling if they want to buy something they go to a store or online. This adds to the annoyance of being solicited. Fine, whatever you were in the market for and they were willing to sell it to you for a 1/10th of what you were expecting to pay... The analogy still tracks. I personally don…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 08:15 PM
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What else would you have to base it on? And it is some women who make up the loud minority. Personally, I don't approach at all, so I have no dog in the fight. I just find it hilarious when you have 2 groups of women complaining about getting approached then another group complaining about NOT getting approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 07:22 PM
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Point being, most relationships begin with sexualization, typically the man being interested enough to approach in some manner, so I don't see why you brought it up like it was offensive somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:22 PM
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If you're cold approaching for a number it's because you find them hot and probably want to fuck them. Yes, that's how most relationships begin, with fucking a person you find attractive. Not sure why you automatically assume cold approach = imminent pump and dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 05:34 PM
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I bet if a salesperson was legitimately selling you a car for $100 you'd appreciate his approach. That's the point. Just like you want to be approached by a salesman that would provide something of actual value/savings, you want to be approached by a high value attractive man. The issue is men who do approach assume they're attractive. Then women get offended when a man they gave a "signal", in quotes because it's never obvious, won't approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 05:32 PM
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That's not what I've seen, or what I personally say. Women will almost always be able to find sex or a ONS, but a real LTR with a guy worth a shit? Nope. I'm sure you don't see being able to find a ONS as the opposite of being alone? So what’s the point of being “marriageable”? I addressed this already.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 02:14 PM
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If you want to get married like most women do, to ensure the guy is of high quality. If you don't want to be married at some point, just continue to do whatever you want but don't complain about being alone later.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 02:09 PM
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No. They should make themselves marriageable, then once they're married, actually want to stay married.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 12:57 PM
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I doubt they get instantly aroused, but they might move the guy to a different category, like from the "not in a million years" to "maybe once I hit the wall I'll settle for him".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:14 PM
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Next time you see a decent woman constantly choosing guys that treat her like trash despite having better options, just look at her childhood and it’ll all make sense. That's nearly all women, but sure...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:09 PM
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No, it isn't. If someone said "$500 is more than enough to have in an emergency fund" and I disagreed, does that make me financially insecure or right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:07 PM
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Yes, and we can also say what we find humiliating for other people. Not sure why you think the judgment of others is off limits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 03:46 AM
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By that logic sperm donors win at evolution. Maximum genetic procreation for minimum resources. I wouldn't disagree if that the metrics of winning at procreation. Also if you’ve seen guardians of the galaxy someone can do your father but he’s not your daddy. Oh my god, stop with the movies and media bs... This guy values being the father more than the daddy. You can value whatever you want, it won't stop people from judging you choices. If one of my friends partnered with some baby mama and was …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 03:40 AM
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We already don't. When someone, like OP, posts why it's a bad idea, people like you come in here and condemn his opinion and vilify him like the majority of men don't agree with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 02:26 AM
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Yeah, and the majority of men don't want the humiliation/injustice/unfairness/whatever-you-want-to-call-it of being stuck raising and paying for a kid that isn't his.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:33 AM
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What about those of us who adopted the child of two randoms? That's irrelevant to the discussion. The concept up for debate is that the woman already chose someone else to procreate and you come in later to pick up the pieces. Not you and another woman both choosing to adopt a child together. The rest of your post is just unfairly insulting OP for stating an opinion many, probably the majority, of men share.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:30 AM
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Lol,the father litterallly dumped the woman with a kid,he is in no way "higher quality " She assumed he was, enough to replicate his DNA anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:27 AM
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He had plenty of options Doubtful. He says me part of the deal sweetened it for him, Sounds like platitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:26 AM
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As a child of divorce, I do love and appreciate my step dad too, but as a man, no way in hell would I do what he did.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:20 AM
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The other option that happens in nature is the new leader of the group kills all of the juveniles that aren't his children... Just saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:19 AM
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No. Emotional intelligence is not the same thing as being emotional. I said "The vast majority of people if asked who is more emotionally intelligent would say "women". That's obvious." yet you just agreed with that then disagreed with it. I didn't say which gender is actually emotionally intelligent, I asked which would people assume.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:17 AM
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I didn't say it would.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:14 AM
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Sure did. What's your point? Just claiming I didn't acknowledge a point without stating where I missed something doesn't help the discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 09:07 PM
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I mean I really can't comment on you personally unless I saw it for myself but my guess is it's confidence. How are you being an asshole? Are you physically or emotionally abusive? Are you manipulative? Are you cruel? Do you put them down? Are you mean to your server? Being much more disagreeable, argumentative and dismissive. Most people don't know what emotionally intelligent means. A lot of society says men are rational/logical and women are crazy/emotional. All depends on which voices you li…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 09:04 PM
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No they don't. The majority of women respond to confident, masculine, good looking men. A confident, masculine, good looking guy that is nice will get women to respond just as much as the confident, masculine, good looking asshole. Yes, they do. You're disagreeing with my experience when I can't change the shape of my face, yet I can change my behavior. I'm telling you how women respond to my "nice" behavior vs my asshole-ish behavior. I'm not referring to me vs some other made-up Chad Thunderst…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:41 PM
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The majority of women respond to asshole-ish behavior over the opposite. And I'm just going what society says.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:29 PM
0

Just be young and gorgeous. If that were that easy. It actually is. That gets your foot in the door. Your attitude/outlook will keep you in. Without posting a photo, which I wouldn't recommend, no one here can get specific about why you claim to can't find a guy who wants more than JUST sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:46 PM
1

Which is pretty telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:36 PM
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Red flags as a concept exists for a reason. The whole "women are attracted to assholes" thing is completely true. I've experienced it directly. They literally react to bad/unfair treatment more than the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:25 PM
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You don't know. I'd suggest you work on becoming more attractive if that's your concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 02:53 PM
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Most women are attracted to good looking men with social skills and interesting personalities with compatible lifestyles. ... regardless of how he treats her or others. That's the issue. You'd expect women, the more "emotionally intelligent" sex, to be able to NOT overlook the dickish, douchey behavior from their attraction. That's what's being argued here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:47 PM
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with the rising costs of everything and inflation That would imply people would be better off partnering and splitting rent/mortgage. I don't want kids either, but most people do, and women are controlling the dating market and actively destroying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 06:08 PM
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Nothing about your earlier comment suggested it applied only to things people had control over. It doesn't matter if I did or not. Discrimination is wrong because it's typically based around something no one had control over. Again, I can't control my race, but I can control how promiscuous I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 06:07 PM
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It's an assertion without evidence. The evidence, if it does exist, is behind some paywall/university log in.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:24 PM
3

Sure hookup culture but not "get married and have a nuclear family and raise children that will be productive citizens" culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:23 PM
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Depends. What's the overall concensus? Regardless, these are 2 completely different concepts. We're talking actions vs characteristics of people they have no control over. Are you implying people have no control over their n-count?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:22 PM
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"Social stigma" as if people don't make up society. If enough people know a high n-count is bad, then it probably is by overall consensus.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 04:14 PM
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In the back of every woman's mind their n-count matters, that's why most of them won't say what their's is. The y can say "oh it's fine I was on BC" but they know that it actually matters to them and whoever they choose to be with in a LTR/marriage. It's all justifications for them not being able to control themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:51 PM
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I don't see anything explaining how promiscuity affects men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:48 PM
1

Alright, then don't make assumptions
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:47 PM
2

When did I shame them?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 02:30 PM
3

There will always be a dick to sit on, preferably mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 01:31 PM
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That's because the vast majority of women are only willing to allow access to their body to someone they care about and want a future with. When one doesn't seem to care about any kind of emotional connection before having sex, it's jarring to men, mostly because women are the ones who are supposed to be selective about who's entering them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 01:23 PM
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No, it's bad for the men that aren't getting any. The men in the top 5-10% can get even more sex than before. The rich get richer.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 01:20 PM
3

Same...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 01:14 PM
2

That doesn't change the fact that they'll stay in one and act like they don't know I've had "girlfriends" that knew I was dating around (never told them it was exclusive), and they'd either play dumb about hair ties or a pair of panties kicked under the bed that wasn't theirs, or act like they didn't see it. Mostly because they'd rather be around me if they couldn't have me exclusively. You act like this is uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:14 PM
1

No one here thinks either of those are average. Where do you even get that notion?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:43 PM
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Put 86 year old Jane Fonda against 25 year old Jane Fonda and tell me the old one is better...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:42 PM
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More like chronically talking to actual people and remembering what they say. I've been on 450-500 first dates at this point and I know what women say vs what they actually do. Unless you have more experience than I do, concede.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:36 PM
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Ok? And 3 women here saying "nuh uh" doesn't invalidate years of what I've seen and heard. You could read as many statistics as you want and you’re still never going to know more about women than women. Wait, know what women say or know what women do? I've seen what women do and it's completely opposite of what they say. What should I trust? Actions or words?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:34 PM
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Not many. One outlier doesn't prove the norm wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:33 PM
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90% of men are not going to turn down a 9.5/10 woman who makes 550k/year. No matter how much she “cheats”. I definitely would. More than likely, I wouldn't have as much access to her money as a woman in the same situation. Secondly, she'd be a nightmare to deal with nagging me to make more money. Do you even know how much 550k/year is? Doesn't matter because I wouldn't have access to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:31 PM
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Most women would choose the more attainable one over the pie in the sky one, Then why are so many women single and complaining about there not being enough financially attractive men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:24 PM
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Yeah right. Woman B would be a total nightmare to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:22 PM
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Please stop telling women what women find attractive Statistics, videos from women explaining what their standards are, and stories from the women I know prove Man B is what they actually want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:22 PM
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There aren't enough men to go around at the $500k level for each woman to have one. You say that as if women care. They don't. They share him "unknowingly" as long as he's footing the bill. Also, a woman making much more that 65k is picking Man A.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:19 PM
2

Outside of in-vitro? Yes it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:10 PM
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That's one woman. There's thousands of men over 50-60 having kids every year.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:10 PM
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Assume whatever you want. Based off of your responses here, I could care less if I'm meeting your standards or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 12:53 PM
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Single, childless, never married and regretful of what your past relationship choices have left you with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 12:52 PM
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Women will almost always have "sexual" demand, not "relationship" demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 12:51 PM
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A few. One is childless, wants kids and has been for a while. She's obsessed with the gym-bro type guy and gets her hopes up about one and gets played every time. I think her ex was in really good shape, so she refuses to "down-grade" from that. She refuses to give any guy who isn't ripped/jacked a chance. Add on top of that, she's got ridiculous income requirements for any guy she's willing to date too. One has 2 kids from a previous relationship and is on and off dating one of my other friends…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 12:50 PM
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Who's wishing misery? I'm exposing the reality that women in here like to ignore.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 12:22 PM
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And younger guys don't either. More older guys have a substantial savings and higher salary than younger guys, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 12:21 PM
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You and I have different goals. You seem like you'd be fine settling with an older woman who kills your mood and won't be that great looking long term. If so, why criticize my goals? You don't have to compete with me for the women I'm going after, just let it go.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 12:20 PM
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What does a woman's job have to do with how attractive she is? Again, either a complete non-sequitur or you don't know what men actually care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 10:12 PM
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There's definitely a wall. Go ask one of your 35+ single female friends about how well dating is going...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 10:10 PM
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I don't believe you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 10:10 PM
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It's obviously not. Do you really believe you're more attractive now than you were 20 years ago? The vast majority of women's attractiveness starts at a peak and drops. Just because some 50 year old woman you know have men trying to date them means nothing. That's anecdotal and doesn't refute actual research into what ages of women men find to be the most attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 06:53 PM
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But they're still viable. My dad got remarried and had a perfectly fine kid at 65. Can the average woman bear children at 65?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 06:19 PM
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If it's obvious that he wouldn't be interested in a LTR with her, yeah. Every pump & dump a woman complains about is 100% her fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 06:18 PM
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I didn't claim I was bottom of the barrel. What if I'm in the top 80-90% of the barrel, but the average woman only skims the top?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 06:17 PM
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How can I be accountable for the actions of other men? You act like I'm here complaining a out a relationship I ruined myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 06:16 PM
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No, it doesn't. The wall isn't in reference to random sexual interest. It's in reference to what women actually want: meaningful relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 06:14 PM
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Sure, then deal with the consequences of that strategy. The other option would be to lower your standards and be actually happy with someone who is on your level (even more doubtful).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:25 PM
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It is when you focus on the right way to stay competitive as you get older I have 0 empathy for the men who complain about single moms and divorcees.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:24 PM
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Men rarely get approached, so why would I be referring to that? Women filter out from the men who approach them. They're bad a choosing from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:23 PM
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How many of those thirsty messages will turn into an actual relationship where the guy is willing to show her off around his friends and family? Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:21 PM
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I'm 35 and date almost exclusively women under 28 without children. Go back to where I said "in shape with your finances in order".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:09 PM
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I could but that's not what's being debated here. Women have way more control in the dating market and have single-handedly ruined it. Every failed relationship/sexual interaction is on them. They choose the wrong men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:08 PM
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So? Then women fail until they hit the wall around 30-35 and no man will settle for them. How is that a win? I'm talking in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:02 PM
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I guess. Either way, an older man will almost always be better off than younger men as long as their still in decent shape and have their finances in order.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:01 PM
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Men can afford to "fail" at dating for much longer than women can. Men's fertility window is wider and old age doesn't affect men's looks as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 04:52 PM
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Because they could still find a lower value man that would take them. That's their fault for misvaluing themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 04:48 PM
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Leaving is the destruction of a family, yet you claim it's good that it's easy to leave. Strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:53 AM
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I mean, if the goal is to attract some beta who doesn't stand up for himself and wants a masculine ass woman, maybe her videos do work. Most women don't want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 08:46 PM
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Not really. Most of what she's saying is feel good platitudes to make women feel better about being alone or getting cheated on. Doesn't seem that useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 04:08 PM
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Women are not happy doing any of that. It’s slavery. No, that's part of the deal of being in a domestic partnership. Is it slavery when you have to do it for yourself? And it’s the reason why women are divorcing and not marrying and choosing not to have kids. No, the most common complaint now is economic/social instability. If those didn't exist, they'd want to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 04:06 PM
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That’s the P convincing them they want to have kids for men. No, it's their biology that tells them they want children. The P has convinced men that it’s their job to rule the house No, history and biology has. Why is it that in nearly every society the family has been lead by the male? Either we're better leaders or women don't want the leadership role. And that has also influenced women into thinking that’s how it’s supposed to be. History proves this. Going against it and thinking you can out…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:22 PM
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Because it's inconsequential to still wanting to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 02:13 PM
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He gets to live his life and be happy and maybe cheat and somehow men think women want this? Yes, most women do want to be married. If you don't, you're not part of the majority that most men are concerned with dating. The term Single married women exist for a reason. I have never heard that term in my life. Men want kids, women do not. Wrong, you're projecting. Most PEOPLE want children. I don't even want children and I can admit that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:48 AM
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I looked her up and found nothing of value. Just some super masculine woman spouting off random nonsense. Is she even referring to heterosexual relationships? She looks like a stud that's trying to recruit women to the "other team". She can't even deliver a clear line of dialogue without chopping the video to all hell. This is who you're listening to?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:44 AM
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That's what they want, yes. Not saying it's going to happen. Pair off for a night or a few weeks? Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:04 AM
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And yet here you are trying to argue against the "single and childless" narrative. If women being childless and single into old age was truly a win you wouldn't have to argue in favor of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:03 AM
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Men and women don't agree that "morals and similar interests" are what define your level. No wonder there's a disconnect.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:01 AM
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No, he said he can't find relationship material women. It doesn't sound like he's trying to date every chick he bangs and they turn him down. He doesn't even propose being in a relationship with the women he sleeps with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 03:17 PM
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The average American is pretty fat, so he's speaking facts. And "personality" doesn't get your foot in the door, male or female, it'll keep you from getting kicked out though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 02:59 PM
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what I've increasingly been hearing is "why can't I put no effort whatsoever in anything and be loved ?" Because people, usually women, believe love should be unconditional, which is an absolute joke. Everything in life is conditional, love included.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 06:18 PM
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Yes they do. What is generally more attractive? Tall with healthy bmi, or short with an obese bmi?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 04:29 PM
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All women find the same things attractive, generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 04:03 PM
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He asked a statistics based question, and I think the analogy fits.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 04:02 PM
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in a facetious manner There's the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 07:46 PM
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Yes and no man under 6 foot has ever gotten a woman before. All have immediately left them the second they see a man tall enough for their need. Doesn't address my point about settling, but nice strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 07:29 PM
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'women only want 6ft tall guys' You're arguing about what women say they want vs what they actually settle for, in a comment section about SETTLING... There's been studies regarding what women want from men in terms of height vs income. Spoiler alert: not looking good for any men under 5'9.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 06:46 PM
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So you would rather those women stay poor then? I'm confused as to why you're against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 05:22 PM
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It was just an analogy. Here's a more palatable one. Farmers have to use generalizations when planting and harvesting crops. They know not to plant citrus trees in the fall because a frost will kill the saplings.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 05:20 PM
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sweeping generalisations That's the only way to have a logical discussion that isn't filled with "but this girl I know" or "well, my kid's teacher's cousin's boyfriend" blah blah blah.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 05:18 PM
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That’s also why you don’t find a lot of “plate spinning men” in their late 30s around in real life. Maybe it's because most can't, or they aren't vocal about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 05:14 PM
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being seen as attractive by men when you are “barely legal” as OP states is not a form of power. It is because you can capitalize on it. Just because someone chooses not to doesn't mean the ability to doesn't exist. What would you even talk about? Who said they're talking? Even then, you think I couldn't have an interesting, philosophical conversation about the meaning of life with an 18 year old? I have. One of my exes was 18 and I was 28, to be fair she started college at 16. To this day, she'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 05:06 PM
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No because there’s a power imbalance I'd argue there's more power on the young woman's side because she's more wanted. I find it odd that no one ever realizes that. Obviously if the two parties involved come to an agreement, it's equal, or both sides agree to the deal being equal. cannot find someone their own age to sleep with. Can not, or don't want to? Even when I'm 60, I doubt I'll want to sleep with 60 year old women, especially if I have the means to not settle for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 04:44 PM
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The whole Madonna/whore thing is dumb because it's a binary when life is actually all grey areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 04:19 PM
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The military itself is full of whores of either gender. What would you expect putting that many 18-20 year olds who just left home for the first time, and not to be disrespectful, weren't smart enough to just go to college?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 04:12 PM
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Wait, you're not condemning the women who are "preying" on older men for money?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 04:06 PM
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It's new because it's being advocated for via social media. It was usually quieter and not as popular. My uncle found his Filipina wife in Thailand back in 2010. Also, I'm not sure military counts. My dad was army and met my mom in Asia because he was stationed there. He didn't have a choice to go there, it was involuntary.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:46 PM
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Ya know, if she cleaned more maybe she'd be getting a workout at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:10 PM
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Maybe the govt should cover abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 10:40 AM
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"most". Also, I'm already aware I'm an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 10:38 AM
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Yeah, better than being with a shitty girl that's busted in the face. Just goes to show: most women have shitty personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:45 AM
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Ironic...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 01:44 AM
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Notice how that entire situation was predicated on a woman lying to herself. Female delusion is truly the downfall of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:31 PM
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She definitely doesn't look bottom of the barrel. I'd see your point of she looked like a Caucasian-flesh toned Fiona.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:27 PM
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No one's stopping you from living off the land in the woods.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:24 PM
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Technically, no one deserves anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:47 PM
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Holy hell, this is disgusting... Furthermore, 71% of women reported experiencing a phenomenon described as "swamp crotch," with 35% experiencing it weekly or more. (Wakefield 2019) Other research has shown that 79% of women don't shower daily, 33% go up to three days between showers, and 89% say they would like to improve their body hygiene but don't feel they have time (Agency 2015).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:43 PM
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I never claimed it was a mental disorder, not sure why only mental disorders would get a disclaimer. They are pro-"what causes diabetes" though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:52 PM
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but if you under 5’7 god help you This
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:33 PM
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Give me an example of one of these harmless jokes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:10 PM
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Diabetes? Also, obesity is the leading cause of diabetes, so it tracks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 07:10 PM
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Wow, your example blew tons of statistics out of the water, and totally shifted my view
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 06:47 PM
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Why are women obsessed with changing the definition of every word?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 06:43 PM
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Yeah they do, as in you better not be a virgin and know what to do during sex, or else they're gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 06:37 PM
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Maybe the BBW tag should have a disclaimer, like "the second B stands for 'beetus".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:11 PM
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So if told that same "harmless joke" to a fat woman, do you think she'd react the same way a fat man would?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:05 PM
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Fat shaming is only seen as negative when it's aimed at women. Yeah, because fatshaming men usually works. It worked for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:04 PM
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Sex is less important than not being a criminal...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 04:29 PM
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BP men want to be him so bad, they let it slide. Feminists can relate with the rapists... Of course neither said anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 04:26 PM
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Really? Go tell that to Brian Pepper or Beetlejuice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 12:26 PM
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Ah, so the guys who are too physically ugly to attract women and get sex consensually chose that voluntarily...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 12:18 PM
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So any man who is involuntarily celibate is a misogynist?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 12:01 PM
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Average blue pill beta
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:30 AM
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I mean, yeah. Looks like you loaded birdshot and not buck.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:52 AM
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With your username, this has to be satire.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 10:40 PM
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Get a haircut, or at least comb the lint out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 10:24 PM
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Or they were decent men who get tired of the never ending chase that is dating. I'd assume there's some crossover between guys who would be OK with a bot or a real woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 08:07 PM
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If the option is “be single” or “be with someone who would be as satisfied with a relationship with you as they are with a robot”, most women would choose to be single. You realize there's a middle ground, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 07:40 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 07:33 PM
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Wasn't even aware of rule 34 Vinland Saga...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 07:32 PM
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TIL 95% of men are below average. My entire concept of math and statistics has been destroyed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 06:11 PM
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Wow, what a ride...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 04:30 PM
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My standards are high if I'll be seen in public with her, but they're pretty low for a ONS...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 02:40 PM
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Even the actually nice guys are bad. The worst thing you can do with a woman is be boring...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 05:06 AM
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Most men who have options don't. I've only ever seen men who don't have the ability to attract an in-shape woman with an obese one. Unless they're married and the guy can't leave or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 02:09 AM
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Most men who have options don't. I've only ever seen men who don't have the ability to attract an in-shape woman with an obese one. Unless they're married and the guy can't leave or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 02:09 AM
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Not to worry, I did the legwork for you. https://youtu.be/Y4E8qEDi_xg
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 02:56 PM
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It's not really that you are confident in your belief it will work out with any given person, you are just confident in yourself that you will be ok even if it doesn't. Disagreed. The whole point of approaching is for it "to work", not to ensure you feel good about it not working. That doesn't make sense based off of the intent of an approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 02:08 PM
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I lost a lot of weight also, but I'm pretty funny/witry irl so I did get friendship-attention, if that's what you'd call it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 02:03 PM
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According to them, they're easier to date because they're less finicky and less flaky.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 01:12 PM
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Funny you bring that up. Go as a bisexual woman "who is easier to date" to understand which sex is at fault for the problems in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 12:41 PM
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Filing the paperwork is the only statistic that's tracked that could somewhat be related to initiating the divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:30 PM
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So you're telling me the man is so motivated to get divorced he'll do anything BUT file for the actual thing? I find that hard to believe, unless you have some evidence of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:29 PM
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How is it not good evidence? 70-80% of divorces are filed by the woman. That's a statistic. By itself it's accurate, but throwing different possible unproven scenarios on top of it makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 07:01 PM
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It is the only evidence you have, and adding unconfirmable nuances on top of it is illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:40 PM
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Initiated the relationship? No clue. I doubt anyone keeps track of that statistic. Initiated marriage by proposing? Probably less than 5%. if I had to guess, around 2%.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:12 PM
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Because there's no further way to break the stat down.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:10 PM
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How about the vast majority of them that are just "had a child out of wedlock"? Why keep bringing up outliers?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:51 PM
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Personally if I drink I get way more confident despite not actually having any more success in life, I've heard similar things about stimulants. No, you have a lowered fear of failure. That in no way increases your confidence in believing it will work. Knowing that getting rejected isn't the end of the world helps build confidence to try again. You just said it in the sentence previous to this. It lowers the anxiety of trying again, not confidence in the idea that it will work.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:10 PM
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Yeah, I have to disagree with you on that. The confidence in general life does not bleed over to confidence with women. I've never seen that, and if anything the people who are successful in super niche STEM-type areas might be even less confident with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 01:47 PM
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Agreed. All you need is high tier looks and baseline personality to respond to questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:41 PM
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Confidence comes from results. If you got no results from dating, you can't build confidence in that field. I bet if you take some Chad-tier guy who gets tons of female attention, he wouldn't automatically be confident in auditing an Agile project plan. Those two fields are completely unrelated.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 12:40 PM
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Ok, that might be the most unhinged thing I've heard in this sub. I can't believe you've gone this far to defend your argument... I'm flabbergasted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 09:32 PM
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Unless the realism includes real vagina, it won't take off. The only thing close would be some kind of sex bot with an internal heater or something, but even that wouldn't fulfill the psychological drive to have someone desire you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 09:22 PM
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Men and women are attracted to different things. You realize that, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 08:26 PM
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VR headsets have existed for a while, and I have yet to see much of a shift to VR porn being the norm, or it even being that innovative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 08:25 PM
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"who you can attract" for men, "who you can get to commit" for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 08:22 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:11 PM
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Value is based off of what you can get or already got. It's all conjecture until it's proven.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:10 PM
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See this is the issue OP is having. Your SMV is unknown until you attract someone and can assess from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 12:17 PM
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Sounds like you made a mistake then. Also telling that you don't have an issue with lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 10:23 AM
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My guy, no one cares about what a stranger has to say about their choices. Who are you to think wholeheartedly you know what’s best for a stranger to do with their life? So I have to listen to all these old birds who hit the wall a complain? I'd rather people end up being happy in their life. Honestly, you come off like a sociopath by basically saying "let people live their lives, even if it's going to end up with them being depressed, childless and alone. They didn't know any better." I'm all f…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 03:30 AM
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On top of that you also don’t have to preach to woman that men don’t want promiscuous woman or tell them to do better. Ever considered we're trying to tell the low count women to not run up their count and settle down? The high count ones are already done for so there's no point in preaching to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:34 AM
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A "high value woman" is a misnomer. If she truly is high value she's already off the market and married/committed to a high value man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:30 AM
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Naturally for short term who gives a shit about a woman's past or future, for long term that's a pretty important bit of information as someone who's slept with a LOT of people clearly has issues forming long lasting relationships Exactly. If it's just for a night or a consistent fwb situation, sure. I'm definitely not committing and more than likely wouldn't be seen in public with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:28 AM
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I'm waiting for the day for women to understand that men and women are attracted to different things. The whole feminist "men and women are equal" has some how brainwashed women into thinking we're supposed to also want "big, strong, financially successful and sexually experienced" women because that's equality. It's lead women to become the men they're attracted to which in turn has made them unattractive to men. Hilarious irony.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:23 AM
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Whenever you start an argument with "regardless" you essentially give up. Sure you provided 3 sources, 1 of which didn't answer much of the argument, then another one from some website that's far from what I'd call professional or reliable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:12 AM
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Notice how I said being ambitious leads to other type-A traits. Some beta male might like his woman bossing him around and taking chsrge, I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 08:23 PM
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Having a personality and being argumentative aren't exclusively related. You can have a personality and be a feminine woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:48 PM
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It doesn't benefit me. Sure you could argue the household would have more disposable income, but I wouldn't have access to it. Also, "ambitious and driven" typically come along with other type-A personality traits like disagreeable, argumentative and confrontational.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:39 PM
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Yeah, it's about self control and usually some form of food addiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 04:51 PM
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In your first link 80% of men also said they'd be with someone who made significantly less, so it obviously doesn't answer my point. Where does it say that men WANT a partner that makes the same amount as them? Not being indifferent, having a preference for similar salary.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 04:50 PM
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wouldn’t she become a stripper or a porn star Niether of those 2 are who men would want to date long term. Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:58 PM
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Perhaps not the money part but what it says about the person in general. About their ambition and drive. I don't need an ambitious or driven woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:45 PM
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just let the fat women exist, they are not hurting you. They will when they become a burden on taxpayers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:39 PM
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If a man went on his profile and put "looking for a big titty waifu" he'd literally get 0 responses regardless of how attractive he is. Even the big titty waifus will be icked. There's already been experiments run on this and that is incorrect. Someone used pics of some male model with a swastika tattoo and that he was incarcerated for r*pe of a minor... His match rate was ridiculous and women wanted to meet up even after acknowledging and discussing why he went to prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:31 PM
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As a man who had a "glow up" (lost at a point around 200lbs), why shouldn't I be a cocky prick? I did what most people don't have the discipline to do, and now I'm finally getting female attention. Don't expect me to act with decorum now that I'm getting what I couldn't. My favorite analogy for this situation is the "kid in a candy store". Let's say the vast majority of women and some "Chad level" men just get access to a candy store (casual sex/dating market) right when they turn 18. I can't go…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:02 PM
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Not particularly. I just find it odd that most women are aware of those things, then condemn men who don't to settle for that. The comment wasn't directed at you specifically, but more of other people in here to see a woman list those exact reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 12:45 PM
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That's not the point, or what was posited. Whether the bear is actually nice or putting up a facade, it's still a bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 12:42 PM
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So now you understand why men don't want to commit to high partner-count women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 12:33 PM
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So now you understand why men don't want to commit to high n-count women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 12:33 PM
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unconditional trust This doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 12:32 PM
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Sure, but I figured anything not involving a monogamous commitment, or commitment at all, as casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 12:23 PM
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I cannot imagine a grown-ass woman seriously "defining a relationship" before you have fucked her. This is becoming pretty common. I had one woman basically naked, minus wearing panties, in my bed making out with me. Keep in mind, this is the first date after talking for about a month. She said "i only have sex if I'm in a relationship", which I asked her to clarify if she was pushing me to commit to a monogamous relationship right now, and she confirmed. Essentially, I got her to leave and we n…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 12:22 PM
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How is a fwb not considered casual sex? It's with someone you have no commitment to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 12:16 PM
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None of these things are "society destroying". Society can operate through all of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 12:05 PM
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This is why I think men are less okay with being alone. You think all this stuff about women, but for some reason, you still want to meet them. Yes, consistent sex is worth the headache to most men it seems. I get it, but it's not that important to me personally. A bear isn't evil for just acting according to its nature, but I'm still not looking to invite one into my house. What if living with that bear was the only way to start a family?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:57 PM
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If someone hurts you, that's not going to disappear if you withhold judgment. Toxic, harmful behaviours will damage you even if you unemotionally accept the logic behind them. No, but it puts it into a logically contexual format. It does help me process it. Example, if some woman flakes on me I take it as "she found a better option (hypergamy)" as opposed to "I must be a complete piece of shit that can't find love". Men get treated unfairly basically all the time. No one is going to be happy jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 05:02 PM
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You don’t need to have sex to know how to be hygienic and especially how to recognize consent? That last one is basic adult knowledge. No one said you did. I said you should learn these things before even trying to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 04:02 PM
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The obvious context behind this post is for women who feel like that verbal communication is not being comprehended, hence why I give scenarios where your frustration from that comprehension can be channeled into action. Yeah, channeled into action that will for sure undermine what ever relationship is left. Why not just leave? If you don’t agree with that then I would say you have manipulative tendencies. That's rich. Every example you have was petty and manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 03:25 PM
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Oh no. Well, I trust in your ability to go back and read it, then make a logical response to it. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 03:10 PM
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Technically, it is communicating after you've acted petty and manipulative. So OP doesn't even have a logical argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 03:08 PM
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Hell, no one should take yours. Also, just go ahead and avoid that point I made that completely destroys your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 03:05 PM
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I'd rather be by myself and have a clean home. So you'd be cleaning a toilet either way?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 03:02 PM
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He hasn’t helped you around the house? Don’t do anything until the house looks like a pig sty. If he asks you why the house is messy, then tell him you thought we weren’t doing house chores anymore. He went to the bar with his boys and came home at silly o’ clock drunk? Go out the next weekend with your ladies without any warning or explanation and come home around the same time. If he asks why you didn’t tell him you were going out, then tell him you thought he wouldn’t be bothered by it. He ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 03:01 PM
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I think it's because men seem to be less okay overall with being alone. No, it's because we know no one wants to hear us bitch and moan, and they wouldn't care anyway. I've never heard the term "a real woman" used seriously. Only in retort to "a real man", and usually sarcastically like "a real woman weighs less than 180lbs". Look at how redpill men here talk about women. It's obvious they think women are absolutely despicable creatures, but they pursue women anyway because the idea of not doing…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:45 PM
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"A real man" is only a valid argument when another man of value says it, No, it's still a no true scotsman fallacy, and just as illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:38 PM
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No, I'll date her and hope it goes well. If it doesn't, then I don't have any control, or care for that matter, of how she acts after I'm not dating her. I think you're assuming I'm intending on giving them a bad experience. I don't think anyone, or at least the vast majority, goes into dating with that intention.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:23 PM
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Like our relationship ends? I wouldn't be dating her anymore so what's it to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:12 PM
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Because they usually are based on the interactions we've had with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 02:00 PM
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AGRs aren’t great but the men are correct. Some young women like that kind of thing. Yes, that's obvious. Most women want a man that can provide experiences or resources, both of which cost money, and older men have more of that. The women that older women are concerned about are the young girls who think it’s real and he thinks she special. Maybe she actually is? I'm not sure why everyone needs to voice an opinion on someone else's relationship. Example, if I see some guy who gives his wife his…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 01:59 PM
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There are no “tricks” that work on all women, there is a learning curve with each new partner. Someone with no experience is going to have more to learn yes, but it doesn’t take having tons of different partners to be good at sex. It’s more about learning what works for you and your specific partner. Sure, but there are things you never do/try without asking. That's where most guys might trip up and definitely need to learn. Mostly referring to hygiene (nails, trimming pubes), consent (when to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 01:13 PM
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I've had 3 LTRs, over 100 n-count, and I agree with OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 01:00 PM
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Prove it. You're making a bald assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:57 PM
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Mind-blowing sex can only happen with someone you have a deep connection with, Sounds like an assertion. The best sex I've ever had was not with my ex-gf, I can tell you that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:57 PM
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That's not what's being discussed. OP is discussing a high n-count woman who's been with one or a few guys who are really good at sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:55 PM
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Ever considered what women say is even worse that what you, or the red pill, can conceive?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:51 PM
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If we compound the divorce rate (we'll call it 50% instead of getting super specific) and the percentage of divorces initiated by women (this isn't really tracked, but iv heard most divorce attorneys say 70-80%, we'll go low end with 70%), when you get married, there's a 35% chance your wife will divorce you. I can't really think of any reason to risk half of my money and possessions over 1-in-3 odds for what? Technically I don't even know, a happy marriage and companionship for life? I don't ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:10 PM
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Where are you finding them saying that? I see tons of them complaining on tiktok about not having a husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 06:09 PM
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Dead beat father rate lowered by 50%, birth rate lowered by 99%...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:33 PM
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If someone says they are happy, your belief about them means nothing You made a claim about an entire group, not yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:31 PM
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So if me were like women they would be happy like women. Are you being ironic or accidentally hilarious?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:27 PM
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When I was 29 dating an 18 year old college senior (AP classes and college courses though high school) and no one I actually knew gave a shit. I don't think anyone really does, other than loud women on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:01 PM
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Status, looks and time. You really think it costs money to call a girl over to your place at 10pm?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 02:49 PM
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You'd be surprised by how many 18-21 year old women I've been in dating in my 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 12:52 PM
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Is that broken down between both people being younger or an age gapped marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 11:36 AM
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The younger ones actively participate in it. The only vocal ones I've seen are the older women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:43 AM
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The irony is they can control it: lock down a good, high value man when they're in their prime. The issue is they get mad when they've aged out of their prime and they become leftovers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:42 AM
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Software Engineers are more desirable than Doctors in this day and age. But who am I? They're just more plentiful now. The salary is what's attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 08:02 AM
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Feminism is not inevitable. It is when political correctness becomes mainstream in whichever culture we're talking about. When you have to correct masculine" speech, the next step is propping up feminine values.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 07:52 AM
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If some guy has 2 or more women dating him simultaneously, sleeping with him, and the women knowingly or unknowingly are aware he's sleeping with other women at the same time, that's a "harem". This isn't super uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 07:36 AM
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Not even 20%. I'd say at minimum half, if not almost all, women like generally attractive over unique/divisively attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 06:07 AM
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You can't have a good faith conversation about this if we don't talk about the reasons for why someone is sick/unemployed. The reasons are a huge factor in why people leave. Who specifically? That's the problem. We can't have a good faith conversation if we're going to look at every possible case and specific situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 06:06 AM
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The MAJORITY of women would like to date up, regardless of where they do settle. The MINORITY of women are the primary breadwinner of the household.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 06:04 AM
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I'm not claiming 75k isn't a lot or impossible to live on. The average person survives on half that in America. Without going too deep into every specific situation, this post is aimed at the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 06:01 AM
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Geez, I remember this woman on Kendra G's singles show. She had a kid, the host asked who the dad is, she said he's sick and they're technically still married. The host said "so you're here just in case he doesn't make it?", the woman says "yep, exactly..."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 05:58 AM
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Why is either being a choice your point of contention? Both are outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 11:27 PM
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Sure, but you agree that a universally attractive man would have more success than one that has an odd distinctive feature?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 11:23 PM
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When it comes to activity level vs calories consumed, I refuse to believe anyone's body is violating the laws of thermodynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 10:19 PM
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What does the majority like? Attractive men. Im not concerned with outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 10:10 PM
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Ok, great. Some miniscule group of women date down and aren't hypergamous. Congratulations. Not sure how that applies to the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 09:27 PM
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You seem to be under the illusion that culture is broadly nice to fat people? That they don’t get picked on enough and we need to be meaner to them to get them to, uh, something something change? I was really fat and currently not as fat. I lost so much weight when the fatpeoplehate sub was still around. Fatlogic is there, but it isn't as brutally honest as FPH was. Culture is shit towards fat people, they all know very well that most of the public opinion is that they’re lazy ugly slobs, and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 08:43 PM
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If one, or a small, percentage does? No, it's an outlier. That doesn't disprove what the majority of outcomes are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 08:38 PM
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He is a raging feminist, but even he struggles with the female quotas the put on the team he leads. The highest paid member of his team is a woman who effectively does zero work. They have to keep her on the team to meet company quotas... Looks like feminism won.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:27 PM
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They would actually like to bang Chad monogamously, but they can't get that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:23 PM
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Agreed, but you said most people who are having sex are married/LTR, when the other commenter is talking about the goals of people not in those.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:14 PM
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Actual high value women are already married to high value men that stopped consuming the all-you-can-fuck buffet for that woman. They aren't the 34yr old cat ladies that just got back from the fertility clinic to freeze their eggs...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:04 PM
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I'm sure they meant the goal for people participating in the dating market not including married or LTR people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:00 PM
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That's an outlier. Hell, 600lb people in general are outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 02:59 PM
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Sex is what leads to marriage and children, which most of them want. If they refuse to participate in the market completely, they will end up single and childless.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 02:58 PM
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I already don't travel that much, and I don't assume I would be if I did get into a monogamous relationship. Even if I did, I'd be planning vacations I could afford to fully fund.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 07:29 AM
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Yes? I acknowledge my definition includes them also. If married women weren't hypergamous, divorce rates would be much lower and finances would never be the point of contention regarding divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 07:27 AM
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So if you were on a dating app and found identical twins one of which is a low paid social worker and the other is a financial advisor making twice her income, you would have a hard time deciding who to date? Nope. I'd pick the first one. I've stated my opinion on this multiple times throughout this thread, but I'll say it again: high earning women typically have masculine type-A personality traits that I do not like.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 07:25 AM
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For you personally. The majority of women want marriage and children.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 05:30 AM
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A slang term implies it's so commonplace that they need a word to explain it. Seems pretty clear cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 05:12 AM
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No such thing exists for men. All your models are still chiseled and if you are overweight you're told to work on yourself. Good. Fat men, well men in general, don't want or need to be pandered to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:43 AM
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But your wife would. And a girlfriend with a good income just raises the bar on what kind of lifestyle you can afford. Again, it’s basic math. I don't plan non getting married, so first point out. Secondly, I wouldn't have access to my girlfriend's money. "My money is my money, and his money is our money" exists and will be perpetuated throughout time, or at least my lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:31 AM
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We have to change the mentalities and the way the whole society treats eating, starting with young children at school. Advertising morbidly obese models as "this is normal" definitely doesn't help.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:28 AM
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But why would brands or magazines who normally only featured normal size people start featuring people who are morbidly obese ? Corporate greed plain and simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:21 AM
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If they didn't make them in those sizes, maybe it would motivate them to lose weight to fit into better looking/made clothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:20 AM
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Does it affects standards of attractiveness? Hell no. If anything, it makes fat women even more unattractive. Seeing it every day irl was bad enough, now I see it in 2d and can focus on every reason why it's repulsive... Does it inflate attractiveness for women ? In their own minds, yes. Not like it's taken much to gas up the everyday run of the mill BBW yas-queen, but this is making it even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:20 AM
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But women do have sex, and with multiple people. So what drives that? Sex with someone you don't wanna "be" with? I severely doubt the majority, or even "some" (15-20%) even want to be in a perpetual ho phase. They literally can't take it emotionally, or handle a high number of casual sex partners like a man can. The vast majority of women want to partner with the highest value man they can get and have sex with ONLY him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:15 AM
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That's your fault for not explaining your reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:14 AM
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The concept of a "passport bro" is he plans on moving to that country long term and possibly not returning to the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:08 AM
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If you have a mortgage, how do you not understand that double the income is beneficial? It’s just basic math. I don't expect a girlfriend to pay into my mortgage, and I'm not even sure it would be fair of me to ask that of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:04 AM
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I doubt he would even marry or date the lawyer. Imagine the arguments two litigators would have... Makes me cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:56 AM
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You claim it's meaningless to help your argument. Instead you could just understand the reality of what it means and how it applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:54 AM
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Every woman is hypergamous. Until you can show me 20% of women are marrying men that make 30% less than them and the man is 6 inches shorter than she is, hypergamy stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:52 AM
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Ahem...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:51 AM
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Yes, that's literally the definition. Don't most women want a man that is "better" than her? If you believe that is true, then you agree that women are hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:50 AM
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No one is claiming hypergamy is bad or evil. It's drives female delusion though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:48 AM
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It's not one man, it's the top 10% of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:48 AM
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That's a redpill myth. It definitely is not. The term "situationship" being in the lexicon proves it isn't. The concept of a woman saying "I think we're dating exclusively, but haven't brought it up yet" has existed so long, and become so commonplace, there is now a word for it. Hell, every major city/metro area has an "are we dating the same guy?" Facebook group. It is far from being a myth. I've been in them before, the woman assuming we were exclusive while I'm dating and sleeping with other …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:47 AM
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The biggest time difference is in cooking. You have to prepare twice (and often even more because men eat more) ingredients and often your partner eats something that you don't and vice versa. Also "2 more dishes" and "twice as many clothes" take more time over a week or a month, because it isn't really just 2 more dishes. It's an extra set of dishes from every meal + bigger pots to wash. It's also not just more laundry to put into the washing machine, it's also more laundry to sort, fold and pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:24 AM
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My data is related to hard statistics, not subjective attributes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:19 AM
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Yeah, that's sounds like a personal problem. I knew exactly how much junior designers made before I chose the major.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:12 AM
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What specifically? Washing 2 more dishes? Adding twice as many clothes into a single load of laundry? The vacuuming/mopping/dusting is still the exact same. This is exactly why I don't take any woman complaining about "extra chores" seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:11 AM
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Given the amount of debt held by women vs men, they were probably justified...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 02:54 AM
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It isn't really equality when women still bear a greater housework load. You'd still be doing the exact same number of chores if you were single and lived alone. Laundry, vacuuming, mopping, etc, still needs to be done whether you're married or not... Well, I won't just assume you actually clean your own house. I could be wrong though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 02:47 AM
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29% is not "most", nor is 45%.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 02:44 AM
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I doubt any men say "I'm gonna make 250k right out of college with my liberal arts degree!" which is the closest equivalent I can think of off the top of my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 02:31 AM
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Based off of what the majority of women want, it is. The majority of women want marriage and children.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 02:29 AM
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which is why a 6, for example, who’s funny, charismatic, stylish, fun, etc tends to be at least just as successful as an 8.5 who is boring. There's actually been a study done somewhat related to this regarding male height vs male income (harder statistics than "funny or charismatic"). Summed up, a 6'4 man would only have to earn $12k/yr to be put on the same level as a 5 foot flat guy making $380k/yr. And any height above 6'6 inches tall, you could be virtually unemployed and still attractive by…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 02:27 AM
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Men might not be specifically seeking that. But wealthy men are generally not hanging around poorer people. So it is more likely they will be meeting women of similar income since the people they associate with in general are of similar incomes. Online dating is an avenue to meet people of any background. Meeting people at a book store or grocery store isn't class based. They might not be specifically seeking wealthier women. But they aren’t getting the ick from those women either. The standard …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 01:10 AM
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None of what you said refutes the argument. A woman making 100K is likely to pick a man making 50K if he comes from a similar background over a man making 50K who comes from a lower class background. A man is likely to pick an attractive woman from similar class over an attractive woman from a lower class. Niether 50k man has a chance, so it doesn't matter. If they both made the same as her or more, sure the higher class background guy might have a better chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 01:03 AM
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I'm fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 11:40 PM
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The majority does, which men are typically concerned with, not what's probable or possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 11:31 PM
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Disgusted is a pretty strong word. Fair point, let's say "extremely unattractive". Woman can separate their work ‘personality’ from their home one, just like I’m sure men do. Some can, but why chance it if I can avoid it? Also, how are type-A traits unfeminine? I just named them off and they're all rather masculine traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 11:29 PM
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You literally said one of them was enough to sleep with but not LTR. Yes, and stand by that. That doesn't mean she's unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 11:14 PM
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How is it random? 100% divided by 10, as in 10 numbers, allocates 10% to each number. This is basic math.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 10:47 PM
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It's more about class than straight salary, it's just that a lot of people's interests and overall attitudes map along the same lines as income. So a woman who makes 100K is likely to have similar life experience, interests, and lifestyle with a man who makes 100K. Completely disagree. A woman making 100k isn't going to pick a man who only makes 50k because he comes from a family that makes more, nor will most men disqualify a physically attractive woman who comes from a lower class. I would con…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 10:40 PM
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So you are using your personal ratings to label someone as average. Once again, just because you personally don’t find them that attractive does not mean they are average. Wait, do you think average means unattractive? When did I say they were unattractive? Average isn't an insult. Kind of like whatever that study was that gets brought up all the time here where women consider 80% of men as below average? The hilarious part about that is the male responses to that study were balanced and looked …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 10:35 PM
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My career trajectory is an $100k income so I want a man who makes the same. Simple as that. Most men don’t make that much but I don’t want most men. So your pool has shrunk even more. Good luck. You can love anyone regardless of class or income but I believe that in marriage, finances need to be considered. Agreed, but if your looks are way off your income requirements, it will be difficult to find a man that meets the income requirement and is attracted enough to stay long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 10:10 PM
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Women make money to survive in a capitalist society not to attract men. If a man doesn’t like it or meet my standards then he obviously wasn’t for me. Agreed. But most won't settle for a man making less than them. They more money a woman makes, the smaller her pool of available suitors becomes. This video is from a female perspective and has nothing to do with men’s feelings. It may not be what you/men want but that is the line in the sand these women have drawn. OK? I don't disagree with that. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 10:08 PM
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Where does this expectation come from that a man and a women NEED to make the same amount so they split everything 50/50 so thier "lives are better"? What also blows my mind about this, is the whole "I'm not going 50/50" stuff you get from women. I can't be the only one hearing this. The majority of women don't even want to consider splitting all of the household bills. A guy who makes 100k+ isnt looking for a woman to enhance his lifestyle, he probably is living a lifestyle he is more than cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 09:32 PM
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Not this comment specifically, but I think you made a similar point in another comment chain and I responded similarly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 09:15 PM
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Meh, my point is that you focused their looks in terms of judgement...but not thier psyche or personality. How am I supposed to understand someone's psyche or personality more than what I can physically see? I don't know these people personally to understand their motivations beyond "I want a man making over x-amount", then I can look at their face/looks and make an assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 09:02 PM
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Women making over $100K have better odds with men making over $100K. Please show me some survey from men where the majority said "I want a wife that makes the same amount of money as I do". I've seen it once in this comment thread and never before.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:59 PM
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the manager at the engineering firm isn't dating the hot chick working at the sandwich shop in the lobby of the building. But he could, the other way around it's not happening. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:54 PM
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No, you’re intimidated by intelligent, highly educated, independent women because you know you can’t control them like you can a naive young woman who hasn’t accomplished or experienced much of anything in life. That’s what this boils down. Intimidated? Like scared? No, more like disgusted. I'd rather not deal with an argumentative, bossy, opinionated to the point of confrontation (all of these being the typical traits required to advance in the business world). Intelligence and education don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:52 PM
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Ratings 1-3 would be 20%, and 7-10 would be 30% of the population if each number gap represents a 10% group.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:45 PM
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I would because income doesn't matter to me. As long as she wasn't in serious debt, I could commit to a woman making less than 30k/yr. I can't find any statistics or a poll, but I've only seen one man in this post saying "I make 150k and want a woman making similar".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:42 PM
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I am neither older, nor divorced. Also, if that was so apparent, why are the women in the video assuming "most 26 year olds make 160k+".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:31 PM
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Don't they look physically average? And I doubt they were coached to say "I want 200k+!"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:29 PM
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Seems like this guy just hates his life if he can't pass the schooling to get a better job and that he's worried that his wife has to be the breadwinner. To be fair, that's initially what I read the situation as.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:28 PM
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A 3 is someone SIGNIFICANTLY below average, very likely with some sort of physical defect. Your rating system doesn’t make much sense. A 7 is a rating for someone who could be a model. Most ratings for objective looks don’t operate on the scale you made up here So you believe 20% of the population is hideous with physical defects (3.5 and below), AND that 30% of the population are genetically beautiful enough to be models (7 and above)? You claim my rating scale is ridiculous, yet based on pure …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:27 PM
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I understand the analogy. That doesn't change the fact that goth girls are, let's say, 4% of the population. Bob is still only picking from 4% of dateable women hoping one in that extremely small population will be attracted to him enough to date him. That's still not dating randomly. As long as people are choosing each other on non-random criteria, the probability of finding someone with Quality X will never accurately reflect the statistical abundance of Quality X in the population. Some peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:21 PM
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Sir these are people I actually know. You are projecting. I don't think you realize how completely nuts it is to make a statement, I know you know these people very well but let me: a random internet person, tell you how they feel. You wrote this, correct? There's no other way to interpret it. When she gets to suggest pathways forward he gets upset as they all involve some type of schooling or training which he has failed out of programs multiple times.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 08:12 PM
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Fair point. At least your gf is being realistic. Most of the women in the video, and most of the other interview style videos I've seen (ie Kevin Samuels), women want to be SAHMs with 0 expectation on financially contributing to the household.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:52 PM
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But the standard of "must be physically attractive exists" and men don't discriminate on income typically.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:49 PM
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So you avoided my question? Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:47 PM
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Then you have the problem of the variance in women wanting exclusively committed relationships and men wanting casual relationships. This is helping my argument even more. High earning men, who are relatively attractive, can play the field and date multiple women (whether they know it or not). That high earning attribute helps men who don't want commitment even more when that is what's in demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:44 PM
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He's not happy because she's pushing him to change careers or go back to school.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:41 PM
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8+ more than likely yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:38 PM
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The average woman is clueless about male income. Unless you can find me some other video or survey that isn't as delusional, I might concede.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:38 PM
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Your opinion of their income not mattering doesn't matter, there will be some men meeting those "average looking" women's income creteria, willing to date them. "Some". I'm more concerned with what's probable. That's the issue, women are looking for a smaller percentage of the top 10-15%, literally your "some men", can't find them, then complain when they hit 32 and aren't married yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:33 PM
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If a woman is demand a 7/10 guy making 80k the 7/10 guy making 40k is a lot more likely to be successful than the 3/10 guy making 100k. Based on the video, they didn't even get into height, looks, weight, etc, so I'm not sure why we're going into other metrics, but I'll entertain it. Sure, 7/10 40k guy would be for fun, when it's time to start a family, 40k isn't that fun, especially when she wants to be a SAHM.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:31 PM
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One is already guaranteed, one is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:28 PM
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When she gets to suggest pathways forward he gets upset as they all involve some type of schooling or training which he has failed out of programs multiple times. Which is the EXACT reason most men don't want a woman that earns more than him. If he's happy in his career, why should he be harped on with "go to school so you make more money!" And obviously the income dynamic bothers her if she's suggesting he change careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:05 PM
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A lot of that has to do with class though. How often does a QA tester interact with a gas station cashier? She's paying by card and driving away or working from home anyway. Through dating apps, which have exploded in the "where did you meet your SO/spouse" statistics. And how often do you think that QA tester interacts with a vet tech? See above.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:03 PM
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Now, if we’re talking about casually dating with no eye towards potential marriage, I agree with you that none of this is relevant. But since the women in the video are specifically outlining their expectations in a marriage pairing, it’s necessary for us to do the same in analyzing them. You don't get to marriage without dating first.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 07:01 PM
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I agree. If you go above to the percentages he proposed, 60% of the population falls between 20th and 80th percentile, meaning they're average.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:57 PM
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Fair. Since you aren't offended, go back and answer questions 1 and 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:55 PM
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Ok, and dating apps exist. I could, and have, matched and gone on dates with women that work in fast food or retail. Not sure what you're getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:54 PM
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Or, in my case, get extremely lucky by being born intelligent, then stay loyal to one company for 10+ years while getting consistent raises, have them pay for your MBA, and get fast tracked through a directors program. I'm not one of the nerdy STEM-types, I was more of an artist in my undergrad (if I could go back, I'd major in CS/programming), so considering my early 20s and the career path I was going down, I was extremely lucky to be where I am now financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:41 PM
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It's sounds like you are offended at generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:35 PM
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How do you get to marriage? THROUGH DATING.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:34 PM
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What are you even talking about? Many couples pool their resources. Especially if the woman is making more or similar. My gf makes around my own salary and pays for plenty. It’s great. If I marry her we will be able to afford a much better lifestyle for ourselves and future family than just what I could offer on my own You're planning on having children, will she be a SAHM? Point being, if she made much more then had to quit her job to raise children, it would be near impossible to afford everyt…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:34 PM
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Good point...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:26 PM
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Yup, sorry, you need a job or be in school to get one, I’m not having kids with someone who can’t provide at least partially for a family. I’d rather lower my chances of finding someone then raise my kids in poverty🤷‍♀️. Thanks for being honest. There's a lot of virtue signaling happening in here, but you aren't at least. Anyways, if a woman has a well paying job she’s probably surrounded by men in similar fields or in the same economic class and more likely to find someone who makes a similar a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:23 PM
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Do they? You think seeing a $ literally turns them on? Do you do foreplay with women by throwing cash on them or what? I think they just like money, not for sexual reasons. Most people like money, men included, some women know they can get money by gold digging that’s all. Did I imply it turned them on? No, I said they see it as attractive, as in guy A and B are similar height, weight, etc, but guy A makes 200k, guy B makes 80k. Guy A would be more attractive. Change guy A and B to girl A and B.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:21 PM
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Find me a better representation then. Either in video form or a statistical report.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:18 PM
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No I actually don’t know which one you’re referring to. 3 is significantly below average and I don’t think any of these women are at that level. Again, 7 isn’t average. Average is maybe a 4-5. A 7 is very attractive. Most of these women are not below average at all. The one in the red turtleneck vest thing. 3 is one step away from average. Average imo is 3.5-7.5. Significantly below would be a 1 or 2. Your scale doesn't even balance mathematically.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:17 PM
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Ok, raise my 3 to a 4 in your definition. Did it really change the argument that much? Not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:13 PM
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No where in your assessment do you take into account how much money the women make you only base it on their looks. Because her income doesn't matter to me. Mainly because I don't have access to it, secondly, very high earning women display undesirable traits. I’m fairly average looking but I make 145k a year. Should I not hold out for a partner that makes 100k+ so that we are on similar income levels? You can risk that if you want. Depends on what your goals are. Family, materialism, etc. If yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:13 PM
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This statement is contradictory. You say you are not using your personal feelings to judge how average someone is and then proceed to say who you would personally date or only sleep with. Which is based on your personal feelings. And? Of course it's my personal rating, it came from me. Not sure why you think this is some kinda gotcha. If I were a man who’s main exposure to women is Instagram models and/or pornstars, or women at the club, or whatever, would my perception of an average to below av…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:09 PM
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I already live a pretty privileged life making 120k. I don't need another 200k if that comes with the typical baggage and headaches that come along with a high earning woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:05 PM
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Ever heard the saying women use "my money is my money, his money is our money"? It still applies, and I wouldn't have access to the woman's money.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 06:02 PM
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That doesn't mean it isn't the median income. That's still a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:59 PM
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What does that have to do with you all constantly generalizing and entire ppl? Generalizations are the only way to have a discussion on a population as a whole. Taking something that doesn't apply to you personally and getting offended doesn't help move a discussion forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:56 PM
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Guys do feel insecure knowing women who make so much more. It isn't even an insecurity at this point, it's almost certain doom to try to court or date a woman who makes more than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:54 PM
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Average looking guys generally pair with average looking women. If both are average looking, but the woman makes more, the guy has no chance. If you don’t think her money has no benefit to you, I’ll assume you still live at home and don’t own a home or have major expenses. Most average looking men making 200k are paired with average looking women. No, I own a $500k home and make 120k+/yr. I recently sold a renovated townhouse that cost quite a bit up front to remodel, but the renovations paid th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:52 PM
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The fundamental disconnect here is that these don’t seem to be average women. You seem to be using the word to mean average-looking, which, okay, but they are pretty well-off financially and are looking for partners at a similar socioeconomic level. Which is both extremely normal and generally pretty successful as seen in the data. Yes, average looking. I, and most men, don't care about a woman's income because typically we won't have access to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:49 PM
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The women in the video? I'd have no clue unless I introduced myself to them and they asked me about my goals and background.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:47 PM
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I’m probably an 8. There's your answer. I won't press the issue and accept your self rating. And I like that you're being honest. I'd expect the vast majority of women to hold this same stance, yet women in here claim "his income doesn't matter".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:45 PM
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Well, no. Not at all. You're right, it's not. It's even smaller if I compound out not married, not obese. Not adjusting height or race, we're at 2.5% of men between 25-40. You're approaching this as if women date with statistical randomness from among the entire population. In reality, society has many selective mechanisms that make population-wide statistics hardly relevant to individual experience. Men who make that much may be 14.6% of the country, but easily 70% or more of your own social ci…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 05:21 PM
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Are you male or female? What would you rate them?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:55 PM
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Lol if I am a woman making well into 6 figure then honestly I do not need to entertain any man, especially the one making less than me. Which is exactly my point. As soon as you start making more money, your dating pool constricts. If your standard is "make more than me", at 40k (I'll adjust the calculator to all ages of men) you're at 52.3%, bumped up to 100k it shrinks to 16.9%. Good luck trying to get a commitment from an even smaller pool of men, when they weren't looking for a woman that ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:54 PM
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I’ll never understand you incels. Incel means involuntarily celibate, yet my n-count is over 100. Does not compute. If women are so evil then why do you allow them to live rent free in your head and to post compulsively about here to complain about them? I didn't say they were evil. I said they were delusional. There's a difference. It’s like y’all are obsessed lol, you guys may complain about them but you still wish some of them would find you attractive enough to throw some pussy and some affe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:49 PM
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No, the difference is men don't need a woman to provide and protect for them, so there isn't a hard line on numerical standards like height or income, in which case women are typically shooting for the top 10-15% of women. Men's standards are more conceptual good looking enough, nice/brings me peace, high sex drive, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:45 PM
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Instead of copying the other reply to your previous comment, I'll just direct you to look at that. He did a better job of explaining why it's 3-7 is 20th-80th percentile.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:44 PM
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Do you think many men would? I make well over six figures and won’t consider marriage with a girl unless she’s making at least 150k. Most people marry within their own social and economic class Yes, mostly because finding a woman that make more than me, or even close to me, does not benefit me. The old saying women use "my money is my money, his money is our money" still applies. I won't have access to a richer woman's money so why even bother with it? I'd rather keep my dating pool open to more…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:38 PM
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I didn't know a millionaire/billionaire is just a "white collar professional".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:34 PM
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Also, multiple women said they intended to match the men’s salary. That tells me they are already making a decent salary and would be likely to pair up with someone at a similar salary. So? If I'm a guy making 200k+, which based on my metrics is top 2.9%, why would I settle with an average looking woman who also makes 200k? Her money is of no benefit to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:31 PM
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No. People like to describe others as being average when they personally don’t find those people attractive. That was my point. It’s especially big on those RP podcasts. I'm not doing that. One is below what I'd even consider for LTR, but I'd sleep with her, that's about it though. The other five are 5-8/10. Average based on what exactly? Again my point is that I believe you are labeling them as average because you personally don’t think they’re that attractive. Based on other women I see? Isn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:26 PM
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I'm not those people. I'm being completely objective in saying they, as a whole, are average looking. 2 of them are clearly above average, and one is below average, in terms of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:17 PM
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Because that’s what you need to make to have a decent life on one salary these days… a family can’t really live - survive maybe, at best - on 50k/year Agreed. So average looking women should stop being delusional about which outcomes they're likely to get, realize they're going to have to work and contribute to the household income, REGARDLESS of how much they make. That's my entire post summed up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:09 PM
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People do not intermix socioeconomically. She'll be dating within her wealth demographic which is normal. Yes they do. This sounds like projection. And a man in her income pool can date lower, she won't. Her pool of "acceptable suitors" is much smaller than the men in her income bracket. Methed out Jimmy earning $7.50 an hour with 12 dozen children is not in her dating pool. Agreed, given men and women are different and find different things attractive or acceptable. Let's take it from a male pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:02 PM
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Guys RARELY ever need to settle for a woman who makes as much as he does for the sake of lifestyle. Hell in my personal experience this NEVER is something men I talk to young or old pigeon hold themselves into. They get quite creative with thier options. This exactly. I'm in that boat and have more than enough disposable income. If I wanted, I could afford a SAHM and children. I don't want that, and I have time on my side and the money to be able to date younger, prettier women. I'm not even tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 03:42 PM
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But really if you claim something, the burden of proof is on you. I presented evidence (the video). You claimed it was not representative. You're making the claim, the burden of proof is on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 03:36 PM
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3 is below average (and you know which one I'm referring to), but barely outside of my attractive enough to date" range. Most of the women in this video were 4-6ish maybe 4-7. That's pretty much average, so I don't understand your complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 03:29 PM
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Right? Claiming I'm wasting energy to start a discussion, then goes into said discussion to waste their time to point out how I'm wasting my own... 🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 03:27 PM
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uh what? Depending on the woman's aesthetic she can no doubt get a man making $100k but if she is working at McDonalds she is probably too unintelligent/driven to make it happen. See, this is the main point of contention with the women here. They can't grasp the idea that it's possible. It definitely is. Personally, I'd rather deal with a woman working in fast food that was street smart, didn't have any unnecessary college debt, 8+/10 looks, and can hold a conversation. I don't need to talk to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 03:22 PM
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You're unaware of how people come to know things? How would you assume that I would come to this conclusion or have this kind of information? I'm wondering how you come to the conclusion that a man would say "I don't find a woman outside of my social class as sexually attractive". It sounds laughable. Now, attractive enough to date/marry, sure I could agree with that. It doesn't sound like you have much experience with people who are middle class and higher. It doesn't sound like you've socializ…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 03:16 PM
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Not really. Attractive enough to sleep with? Sure. Attractive enough to bring around my friends? Hard maybe. Attractive enough to date/marry? Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:59 PM
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bud, i’m not able to scour the internet for content that we all know didn’t go anywhere cause it isn’t entertaining - fact is, these channels know exactly what they’re doing - these videos exist because guys like you obsesses over them. That being said, the stats are all out there, you have basic observational skills, you’re a smart cookie (i hope), you can figure it out OK, then you could assume my video is a good representation of what women (other than yourself or your friends) actually belie…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:58 PM
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Some urban and suburban areas are extremely wealthy and high income. Yes? I've already acknowledged this. Your concept and understanding of what is "Average" is off. If a woman is making double of someone making 40k a year, It makes sense that she wants a partner that makes as much or more than that income. There is a significant difference between 40k and 80k a year. Simple math here. Using the calculator with the same age rang I've provided above, 40k is 56.7% and 80k is 22.1%. Those are avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:56 PM
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Using random videos trying to prove your point would make sense...if you knew that the creators of this video didn't filter for the inflammatory answers and what their sample was in the first place. OK, find me a more representative video. I do think that more women will date and marry men making less than they do in the future though due to the shift in gender roles and economic balance. And the divorce rate will continue to climb given women initiate 70-80% of divorces with "finances" being th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:40 PM
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They're not even sexually attracted to most people outside of their class irrespective of how "attractive" they are. Are you a male or female? If you're female, how would you even know? This is false. Ugly wealthy/middle class people date and marry all of the time. Looks aren't as much of a factor in these circles, when it's about accomplishments, optics, and legacy. Wealthy (as in generational multi-millions) is completely different from middle class. This entire paragraph needs a re-write.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:35 PM
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We aren't discussing millionaires and billionaires. We're talking 100k+.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:32 PM
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No, find me a video of "average women" explaining their income requirements. Going around and interviewing these people myself are time consuming, especially to just fulfill your request for a point I've already rejected. The burden of proof is on you if you're claiming my video is not representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:31 PM
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i also hate how “average” is described most times around here cause its used as a reason to shun others while ignoring context. Average isn't a pejorative or an insult. It's reality. Calculating the average income of a population, for example, is good for seeing how income changes in periods of time, but it isn’t good for dictating what an “average” person looks like, its using stats without ignoring the important contextual element to them, and that grinds my gears I didn't even take income as …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:25 PM
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This sub largely ignored class, location, and demographics. An "average" person in bum fuck no where isn't the same as an "average" person living in a major city. Doesn't really matter because the majority of people live in urban/suburban areas. I don't concern myself with what some rural person's requirements may or may not be. Poor people outnumbering wealthy people, doesn't magically mean that the statistical availability of middleclass and wealthy people AMONGST EACH OTHER, doesn't exist. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:18 PM
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But I don't think a job is an unreasonable requirement. It's not, but that's not a common standard. Do you really think a woman making 100k will take a gas station cashier? Nope. I'll even upgrade you to "a career". Let's say it's a male veterinarian assistant making 40k. He has no shot with the 100k woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:07 PM
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I personally don’t think all those women are physically attractive. But that is my personal opinion. If you think all those women are average looking, then you’re pretty delusional yourself. So they're below average? Not sure what you're getting at. Nothing wrong with saying you don’t find them attractive. But that is different than saying they all look average. None of them are "unattractive". They're all relatively average. Average isn't a pejorative. But yes I agree that it would be tough for…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 02:04 PM
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Find me a better representation of what you'd call "average women" who have average income standards, aka close to the median 45-48k.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 01:59 PM
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Depends on location and class. A high school drop out working at McDonalds in the middle of no where has little to no chance of meeting or attracting someone that makes 40k let alone 100K. If she's hot enough she can. And she can quit her fast food job. However, a woman with a graduate, Masters, or PHD living in the city that makes 80K+ herself has a reasonable chance of meeting a man that makes over 100K. Again, looks/age/debt matters. If she's 30+, but not that great looking, not likely. If sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 01:58 PM
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I will never understand this obsession with “women you don’t find attractive anyway” and their “impossible standards.” I didn't say I found them unattractive, hell, most of them are above my "attractive enough" bar. Like why do you care? Why are you wasting time and energy on this? To bring attention to it and start a discussion. Isn't that the whole point of this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 01:55 PM
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Idk, you proposed giga-stacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 01:54 PM
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Having extremely high standards, aka 6ft, 6 pack, 6 figures. If she's top 5%, then I don't see an issue with her having top 5% of men as her standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 01:34 PM
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That's why I said "almost always"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 03:48 PM
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Sure, if you're going to be in an area for a specific amount of time, like a contracted job maybe. If you're going to be somewhere for the foreseeable future and you can afford it, buying is almost always a better option than renting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 02:52 PM
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Highly unlikely. I like dealing with what's probable, not what's possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 02:46 PM
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Those are all ideologies that could have other concepts umbrella-ed within. Incel is a state of being, either involuntarily celibate or not. It's not an ideology that can have other ideas lumped into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 02:21 PM
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Regardless, whenever these discussion happen online or irl, some woman's going to get offended when you get into why something isn't desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 02:10 PM
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All people have to say is: no thanks. This is my issue with this line of thinking: In terms of dealing with women who have mental health issues, high n-count, are obese, etc., people always say "just say it's a preference, you don't have to be offensive". The reality is, if you press for an answer as to why, the answers end up being what you claimed is offensive or stigmatization.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 01:17 PM
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Most men are not anywhere near equipped to be in relationships with mentally ill women. I learned this lesson the hard way. Didn't realize I couldn't fix someone else's emotional issues until I went to therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 01:10 PM
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It's better than paying rent. At least there's some financial payoff years/decades down the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:57 PM
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Everyone keeps bringing up Tesla and Newton like they're the norm. They're outliers. Elon Musk has 10 kids and I'm sure 99% of the other patent holders didn't die virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:56 PM
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I'm hoping it was a physics/physiques pun. If so, it was pretty good.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:53 PM
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I think the world is screwed if that is most men's motivation. The world has run on that for centuries and hasn't been destroyed (yet). I'd attribute the majority of male effort to libido or attracting more/better women. Hell, even I do it consciously or unconsciously. I could live in a one bedroom studio apartment surrounded by my scale-models and anime posters, and drive suped up 2 door roadster, but I don't. I want to attract women and want to appear as financially stable (not implying I'd pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 12:46 PM
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Pre-selection doesn't apply to obviously attractive men. It applies to average to below-average men. I've experienced it and I am not that good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 05:42 PM
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What your body is has shaped your personality to an extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 01:40 PM
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Some of them buy a woman to share, rape her to death, then buy the next one and so on. Do you have some proof or evidence of this? It sounds completely unbelievable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 01:38 PM
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Which is a reason why men don't want high n-count women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 11:33 AM
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Wouldn't you say not changing your opinions in the face of hard statistics is rather ignorant? Let's say I was certain that the US as a whole was 50% black because that's who I see and interact with every day. Wouldn't it be ignorant for me to look at the latest census report that says blacks are ~13% and say "that must be wrong because that's not what I see"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 04:03 AM
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The only "numbers" that ever seem to get referenced often here, are those from the tired old OK Cupid survey, that happened.....what....15 years ago? To be fair, modern statistics haven't been published by any dating site/app, and for good reason. That dataset was bad enough for men's prospects on dating, imagine what a similar report from tinder or bumble would do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 03:55 AM
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I'd say a woman who has been fuck-zoned because the barrier of physical attraction has been broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 03:50 AM
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D) They most certainly are not honest with the women on their podcasts. They pay women to come on there, deliberately try to get them so drunk they can barely string two words together, interrupt, get pissed and tell them to leave every single time one of them doesn't agree with them on everything... Then try to act like the women are being too emotional when they're the ones who clearly got their fee fees hurt. Not their fault. Maybe some well adjusted, realistic women should go on one of the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:13 PM
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I'll answer yes to both. Women do want a man that doesn't need them to complete his life sure, but this is after he checks the boxes for attractive enough, rich enough, tall enough, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:07 PM
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1) Define "lower value" in some objective way. Could have done better but settled. Women typically marry men who are slightly less attractive than them who make slightly more, hence, more "beta" men While I agree with this, I will counter that women file 70-80% of divorces, meaning they obviously aren't content. Not because they were "spoiled" by Chads, though, but because women usually only find a small percentage of men sexually inspiring by default Oh, they definitely were. Alpha widows are d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:57 PM
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Participation in the dating market and being "burned" like this, if anything, makes women favor more beta traits, even at the expense of attraction. It does not make them chase more Chadly men. If this was true you'd see every woman paired with a man of lower value, but you don't. Also, just favoring those traits, if that is what you claim happens, won't actually make them content when they do pair off with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:41 PM
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“Women have always wanted to marry a provider & protector” conveniently pretends that women had any alternative when not being allowed to work, get further education, stop having a dozen babies, own property. They still do. You might not, but the majority of women want a man that makes more than she does.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:24 PM
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Who's fault is that? Since you're sane, maybe you should go on and defend all of the sane women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:17 PM
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I would look into medications like semaglutide, which I'm currently on. Turns out I don't NEED 2800 cal/day to survive. I'm surving on around 1200-1000 as a man that trains pretty hard 3 days a week. I have a serious biological/mental issue with food (I never feel full) and semaglutide makes your stomach send that full signal really quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:13 PM
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I think my 4 examples are pretty close. Now, what's acceptable from a specific woman regarding all 4 are debatable, but I think they're general enough to apply to MOST women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:06 PM
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I had bad luck with women until the day I stopped looking for a woman to complete me. I had bad luck with women until I lost 150lbs to get to a normal weight range. That "looking for a woman to complete me" is not the issue most men face. That wouldn't have done shit for me. Not be confident that you can get a woman to date you, be confident that you don't need to use anyone else to validate you. Most women I've known can sense that thirsty shit from a mile away. This wouldn't work for a man who…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 04:05 PM
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Let's go with "squandering" money. The leading cause of divorce is "finances". Finances is pretty general, but could include the man spending money on something frivolous, which I haven't really heard as an issue. More than likely, it's the man not making as much money as the woman wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:59 PM
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I think we've already gotten to the bottom of that poster's issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:56 PM
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Duh, it's an analogy for a man to understand why a particular woman didn't like him, not women in general. This was just an example, not me claiming what ALL women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:54 PM
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They are open invite for "regular everyday" women, but the only ones that want to go on the show typically have an Instagram account and trying to grow numbers. I can only assume most women agree with them, given some of the everyday women that go on there spout similar levels of delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:52 PM
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So you agree it's mood based not physics based.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:50 PM
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requires a diet below a 1000 calories with hours of daily exercise. Well, it's not impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:29 PM
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Invisible people don't usually date, or hell get married... I knew this was exaggerated.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:28 PM
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Chat with foreign women from poor countries. They’ll be really into a western guy with low confidence, and he can learn to develop his confidence from that. OK, he'll be confident in attracting women 1000s of miles away that probably want citizenship. Not sure how that's going to make him more confident with a western woman 10ft away from him who doesn't need anything from him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:24 PM
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Confidence comes from outside positive feedback, throw a person in a desert island from birth and if she had success climbing trees and getting fruits such person will be confident in climbing trees. This. I hate the "look inside yourself" for confidence. Bullshit. That's like saying "if you flap your arms fast enough, you can jump off a building and fly. Just be confident!" While this may be physically possible, I will not be confident that I can flap my arms at the required 60,000rpms to maint…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:22 PM
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Yes it is. Let's say a woman "needs" 4 things to find a guy attractive: decent face, decent body, decent job, decent manners. Some guy comes along and only has 2, the table can't support itself and falls over. Simple enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:18 PM
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when it’s unattractive men involved, of course it will be the fleshlight experience to her. Her fault for having sex with an unattractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:16 PM
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I think it's a rise in diagnoses, not actual rise in cases from some outside forces. No way to tell though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 03:07 PM
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Weakness, timidity and incompetence is only liked by men. Exactly. I think OP should try to be more masculine and as anti-feminine as possible for a few months to see if it changes his prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:52 PM
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They are doing a disservice to them all for the guise of "being nice". If everyone stopped being nice and started being honest, we could stop playing all of the games surrounding dating and pairing. It's never going to happen though. Look at the male streamers who are honest: Kevin samuels, fresh&fit, whatever, etc. They get shit on for being honest to women and not playing along.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:50 PM
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maybe two that was socially retarded and not enjoying his life. Now I would be between 5-8 that would fit this profile. Thank the participation trophy baby boomer and Gen x parents that allowed this. They raised a whole generation of kids to think they deserve what winners get for just playing the game. They got "socially retarded" because they expected to be coddled by society and their peers the same way their parents coddled them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:43 PM
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I think the real problem when anyone, male or female, says "be confident", it's like they think you can just go to the confidence store and pick some confidence up like a loaf of bread. Real confidence comes from results. If you've had only bad luck with women, you have NO REASON to be confident at all. 0. Now, if you do the self improvement like RP suggests, then go out or get on a dating app, start getting more attention/dates, that's where confidence comes from. You shouldn't be confident AT …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:38 PM
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No, your list sucks because it's a bell curve. X/10 works because X is that percentile. 2/10 said 0.2-0.5% of men. That's not how numbers work.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:23 PM
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Forgot to put a "touch grass" in there to really hammer the point home.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:22 PM
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What is it that you are truly seeking when you sign up for dating apps? Are you looking for a partner, someone you can spend time with that brings positivity to your life where you share common interests, passions, goals, etc? Are you hoping to meet someone and nurture a relationship and possibly get married down the line and start a family? Or in this phase of your life are you just looking primarily for sex? Yes, sex is a big part of relationships so I’m not suggesting that the average woman d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:19 PM
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I thought the analogy wasn't bad given he's trying to relate epistemology, aka defining what a table is, usually 4 legs holding a flat surface, to how women deem men attractive. It was a useful thought experiment imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:16 PM
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No, see the sentence right after that to explain my justification. Wierd thing to say to someone that hasn't mentioned either of those things lol. Just covering my bases because someone here claimed to not be physically attracted to any man she doesn't know personally. I thought it was complete bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:14 PM
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men are not furniture. Why do women have problems with analogies? I really don't understand the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:02 PM
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Guys just dont really try in real life from what I've seen. "Trying" up to your standard no doubt. From what I saw it was mainly the girls who made things happen romantically. In a world where women yell that men shouldn't approach, they claim to get harassed, and hate "ugly" men bothering them for sex, shouldn't this be the best route? Yes they download a dating app but that's easy and requires next to no effort. That's the point. Men are tired of putting in effort. Women should pick up the sla…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:33 PM
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No one claims it is, and even if it was, the assumption would be that she's having sex with someone she's attracted to. Regardless, most women could get sex at the drop of a hat with a man she was at least physically attracted to. Not about to debate the existence of "sapiosexuals or demisexuals".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:29 PM
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Yeah, I call bs. Most men who've dealt with a lot of women know within 6 months if they want to be married to her. Also, most women would not deal with being strung along for a whole year. I've only met 1 and honestly I felt bad about being a fwb/situationship where she was holding out hoping I'd commit for almost 2 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:04 PM
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many guys will commit to a woman who once she touches his dick No, that's you and other attention starved men. You also have many guys who don't have options, forced to get into this relationships There it is. No one's being forced. You're forcing yourself if you're putting yourself in scarcity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:00 PM
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Any idea how often I get no call back after a 3rd date? Probably 90% of the time. Men, including myself, are sticking to their guns with this 3 date rule because women are milking us for attention and money. It's saved me both by cutting women off after date 3.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:58 PM
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As opposed to the 35% of women that do the same for frivolous reasons? 50% divorce rate with 70%+ being initiated by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:54 PM
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It's pretty obvious that you didn't even read the OP...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:53 PM
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Literally everything in life is transactional. Going to work, eating a donut, hugging your spouse, killing a spider. Everything. Now, it may not be financially transactional, which women are condemning passport bros for, but even then, I can't say what's they're doing is wrong. They get a "loving" spouse, the woman gets someone willing to support her and her family financially. Women here also get the guy who's "buying women" out of the dating market. This should be a win-win-win, yet they compl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:52 PM
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But forcible sexual interactions aren't what's being discussed here. The assumption is that women are having sex with men they are "at least attracted to enough on have sex with them", right? The women who complain of such treatment are really complaining about their own preconceived notion of how their interaction would go post-sex, and mad about the outcome. It's post-hoc fleshlight framing because the guy didn't want more than 5 minutes of friction, but they did...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:42 PM
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The latter. I'd rather she only have one partner that she had a lot of sex with. The latter implies she leveraged sex for her own personal gain, which is worse than sleeping around imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:30 PM
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Fat does not mean ugly. 99% of the time it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:20 PM
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Sex with a man they're not attracted to would only be fun for him, hence "human fleshlight". You're taking the man's judgement/opinion out of this. The point being if the MAN wasn't attracted to her, then you're in a human fleshlight situation. Ex: Chad invites a woman over at 2am, bangs her for 5mins in one position, finishes and says "you can leave, I gotta wake up early". That's way more common than women having sex with men they aren't attracted to, which sounds forcible aka rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:17 PM
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Human fleshlight makes it sound like she is just sitting there while the male masturbates into her. This is the exact framing women put themselves in when they're condemn men who want casual sex. The quote "no woman wants to be your human flesh light" is verbatim what I see on this sub on a daily basis. Women using that in a pejorative sense towards men by proxy claims some women are actively putting themselves in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:11 PM
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Granted, there's a limit to "ugly and have no chance at all for any man". As I was in this discussion with someone in another thread. I could see maybe 5% of women being absolutely beyond the point of dateability, and I mean serious facial deformities, 400+lbs / beyond morbid obesity, genetic skeletal conditions, etc. If you're outside of that group, I can't really take your claim seriously. I could see you'd have issues dating up as most women want to, but could you really not find someone late…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:00 PM
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So? What if you started doing something to get women but then realized how much you liked it, then started doing it for yourself? I started (martial art) to lose weight and increase my SMV. It worked, but then I continued because I fell in love with the sport. It changed my body and added discipline to my life where I had none. Maybe that's what you need instead of the overall idea of "self improvement so women will like me". How about "self improvement because it will improve my life as a whole…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:53 AM
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Actually, yeah. It would be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:46 AM
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Depends on what my goal was with all of my money. Example, if my dream was to start a corporate partnership (marriage) in some industry I had no experience in (being married to a man who can do things I can't), then I'd have to weed through who's genuine (wanting a relationship) and who a scammer (only wanting casual sex). Clunky analogy, but the best I can come up with off the top of my head. Edit: weirdly enough, some women claim to like getting scammed (casual sex), so if I was a scammer in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:39 AM
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It is men who have decided that there is a 'big picture', and in this big picture almost all men should get a woman and vice versa. Disagree. If some men or women get thrown to the wayside in the human gene pool, it matters not. I truly could not care less. Only about 45% of men since the beginning of time have procreated, where as 80% of women have. Long live Chad's Harem. If they meet a man whom they find attractive and whom being with makes their lives better, they may pair with him for so lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:26 AM
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I can't pinpoint an exact date when it happened, nor the definitive catalyst, but somehow, women in the western world decided that they would only date UP. Not I can. The beginning of time. Women have always dated UP from a biological standpoint. They've needed men who could provide and protect. Going with the village manlet who couldn't hunt for shit was always a bad deal. With women only dating UP, this naturally means that men are forced to date down which they don't want to do. Again, they'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:18 AM
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Yes we are. Go back 2 comments to my comment here that you replied to. You're complaining that 9 times out of 10 male attention is only sexual. I said it's on women to sort through it, where as men don't get anything close to that. Apparently you aren't very good at following discussions. Great, that ends with 1/10 actually wanting a relationship. Do the work to sort through them and don't complain about not getting attention, when you obviously are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:19 AM
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We're arguing about who's invisible and not getting attention at all. Men aren't, women are, whether it's sexual or relationship-level. Seems like you don't want to concede that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:54 PM
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Ok, so 6.5 of the 11.5 are dating, the rest aren't. My point stands that there's AT LEAST 5% of women (it's probably higher) are completely undateable
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:50 PM
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In your case I get your surprise, the vast majority of men don't like being dominated so I don't get why she tried without asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:46 PM
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You’ve obviously never experienced dating apps as a woman. High # of “Matches” doesn’t mean anything, especially when men’s dating strategy on apps is to swipe yes on everyone and then filter out who they actually want afterwards. Then it's women's job to sort through those to find out who's genuine. Most women are on apps for relationships. 9 times out of 10 men you meet on dating apps don’t want a relationship, so again, the match means nothing if it’s not translating to what you actually want…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:15 PM
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Approximately 2% of women have bpd, and 11.5% are morbidly obese. Just with those 2 statistics I could find you 5% of people who are basically undateable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:13 PM
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once the fat is trimmed the # of good potential suitors is probably relatively level to that of men. So? The work to sort through them needs to be done if they want to find a healthy relationship. Just giving up is a choice too, but don't blame the men that are giving attention, whether sexual or relationship-level, blame the women who refuse to do the sorting.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 11:09 PM
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Attention is how you start a relationship though. Whether women have to weed through the guys giving attention for casual sex, regardless, you aren't starting a whole relationship, or whatever your end romantic goal is, without, typically, male to female attention. It sounds like you're complaining more about women having to sort through which attention is only sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:51 PM
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1.) Swipes mean virtually nothing if they don’t progress into a conversation or a date. 4.) Being approached also doesn’t really mean anything and if anything it’s annoying These 2 here are definitely true, somewhat irrefutable and agreed upon that ugly women experience, right? Attention is attention, so he answered your question, yet you're moving the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:31 PM
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Turnabout is fair play. Men 5 and below are invisible to women also. How about "unattractive people are invisible to the opposite sex"? Secondly, I'd disagree given how many women below 6 are getting tons of matches on dating apps. Men would fuck women all the way down to 1 or 2/10, but fuck is all you're getting for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:25 PM
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I don't think you really understand who I'm talking about in the 5%. People with serious facial deformities, disabilities, extreme mental health issues, etc. I don't make any judgment against them, the dating marketplace has put them in that percentile.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:02 PM
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It's crazy to me how normalised choking has become. Just pornsick dudes who think borderline physically assaulting women during sex is standard procedure. I will say at least 40% of the women I've been with (around 100%) requested this from me specifically. I've never attempted it myself without being requested. Just countering this from the male perspective that a high number of WOMEN are into this, therefore men think all of them are. This just isn't a porn thing. Funnily enough few of them ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:41 PM
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To be completely honest, I don't believe the complete 80% of non-genetically gifted men should give up. I'd say probably there's 5-10% who probably should. There's the same percentage of women who are in the same boat. The whole femcel deal is real, for a small percentage of women. but the pill people go so far to the opposite extreme that they're clearly detached from reality. Can't agree more. Not sure if that's a function of echo chambers, or arguments taking an extreme angle to "prove" itsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:33 PM
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Can't I just touch a ficus or fern, or something indoors?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 03:48 PM
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It means "go outside", because grass is usually outside
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 03:47 PM
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If my point was meaningless, you wouldn't be trying to fight it by continuing to reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 03:36 AM
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An attitude like this really make men want to commit and potentially lose half of his life's savings /s
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 03:20 AM
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How has the quality gotten better when the divorce rate is over 50% with 70-80% of them being initiated by the woman? You're implying the quality of these is somehow better than they were previously?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 03:16 AM
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Most of the men trying to get sugar babies aren't wealthy millionaires and are trying to get a sugar baby as a cheaper alternative to a prostitute. (Pay for a dinner "date" and a cheap gift in exchange for sex rather than pay hundreds or thousands for a high-end escort). I don't think the women doing this job are being taken advantage of....but it's also not very lucrative for most. Still sounds preferable than doing all of that and you get nothing at the end of the night.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 03:13 AM
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You're literally repeating my argument, then telling me I'm wrong. Financial (inflation) and sociological (pandemics, extremism, etc.)reasons aside, the majority of women want children. If you don't understand the concept, I can't really explain it any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 03:04 AM
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That's how it sounded to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 02:42 AM
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Yes they do. Maybe you haven't heard of this or been in this position before, I've been with many women who wanted to be in relationships with me, blatantly asked me, and I said no, for varying reasons. I'm no Chad/Tyrone, yet those guys lead women on for months or years in a situationship and don't commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 02:42 AM
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Yes, that's why I stated sociological and financial reasons aside, most women do want children. That's still a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 02:39 AM
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Like I said before, this guy is a LARP or trying to sell a course. It's bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 02:38 AM
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And once they realize he got friendzoned by her? There will be preselection alright. Preselected as a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 02:32 AM
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However, during this interaction with her in the gym I did observe how people around treated me... a guy that never saluted me suddenly salutes me. People look at me like "wow that guy probably is interesting", women smile to me, etc. Wait until they realize you aren't fucking her and you're just an orbiter. You'll be MORE invisible than you thought was possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 02:30 AM
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So, this seems to boil down to which is more logical/realistic: red pill vs black pill. Both have merits and valid points. Black pill says if you aren't born a Chad, you might as well give up. Red pill says genetics don't matter, get in shape, work on your game, keep your frame, etc. For an average guy, it really only comes down to: how motivated are you to get average, to above average, women? I wouldn't blame any guy who just gives up because the average woman portrayed on social media is a co…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 02:27 AM
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Other guys are 32 and just discovering now that if you're a broke fatass most girls won't be interested. I think there's a place for trying. Agreed. Learning this from RP around 25 was the best thing that could have happened to me. Losing weight and focusing on my career/credit helped me avoid this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 02:13 AM
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Thanks to apps and social media gassing them up, they feel like they don't have to try much, if at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 02:04 AM
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The majority of women still want children. Financial and sociological difficulties aside, they do want them. You're projecting your views on what the majority wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 01:37 AM
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That'd make you a fuck boy. But Fuck Boys have charm and charisma - its not just their looks. I mean- would you pump and dump an HVW? Why are men expecting us to do something they don't do? You meet a woman and immediately try to bed her? That's a turn-off for most women - it's not ego or pride, that's disgusting. You don't even know her. She is literally just a mark for you. No, I'm not even that great looking tbh, maybe a 5.5/10? I probably would still try it with a HVW, then again, not even s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 01:34 AM
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If you're complaining about leftovers, date younger men. That's really the only answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 11:11 PM
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Yeahhh. From a woman's perspective: a high value man is not getting laid until date 3 to elude to her being a high value woman. Exactly why I'm out after date 3 if I don't get any. But those fuck boys are disposable and a dime a dozen- which is by definition "a low value" But they still get to fuck, hence the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 10:25 PM
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You'd be surprised how many 18-20 year old women I was still pulling from 28 to about 32. This was all through dating apps, so those women set their age ranges to my age or higher. The 18 year old guys are also competing against 30 year old guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 09:50 PM
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When I was 25 I was 350lbs and broke as shit. Now I'm 36, about 130lbs lower, and far from broke. I go on dates with women in their 20s on a weekly basis. The reality is you'll struggle with any women at any age range if you're fat and broke. The flip side is, if you could date women in their 20s in your 20s (and your looks haven't changed much and financial status has scaled) you CAN still date them when you're in your 30s. This is true.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 09:45 PM
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Then open your range of who's dateable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 09:41 PM
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More competition: more men would have more established. Compared to the 20s, more men have good careers. First off, I can barely understand what this means, but I'm guessing this relates to men in their 30s being more financially stable? Sure, you'll struggle if you're average - below average. If you're a relatively high earner, own property, have degrees, etc., it's easier because women will see you as a financially stable partner. It's also easier to attract women if you invest in your appeara…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 09:38 PM
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For one it could mean that they are dropping standards for casual sex. And women could be more desperate in that age group as pressured by their biological clock. Yes. That's exactly what happens. Most men would take casual sex from non-relationship level until a woman worthy of a relationship comes along. I think you're projecting "success in dating" from the female perspective into the male perspective. Men will take the casual sex as a win, women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 09:14 PM
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She doesn't want to say "broke and ugly", because it's not virtue signaling...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 09:09 PM
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Exactly! So how does me being supportive of my friends erase that? Like I’m supposed to believe it’s best she feels as low as possible? Praise without accomplishing anything is just patronizing, at least that's how men see it. Maybe women need that to get through the day, most men don't. You’re literally saying with your full chest unless I kick my friends when they’re down and make them feel like shit I’m a bad friend. Yes. If you don't confirm the mistake they'll just assume that's the way the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 09:08 PM
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Ever considered there's a middle ground within what the poster described? Yeah, maybe under 110lbs isn't ideal. Niether is over 200lbs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 08:31 PM
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Post a photo of what you'd consider "unhealthily skinny", and not something extreme. Something right on the cusp of what you'd call unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 08:20 PM
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Gassing my friends up helps plenty, it may not help men but that wasn’t my goal to begin with. We know real confidence comes from results, not words. Not sure how much it really helps women given the ones that are the most delusional stay single the longest. And it happens, but not about appearance or anything dating related. I'd compliment my friends if they got a raise at work, about their outfit or car, of if the finished a certification or something like that. I'm not going to lie to my frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 07:45 PM
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Gassing each other up won't help. Men know this zso we don't waste our time or energy on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:05 PM
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"You're the size of Barry Sanders. You can't get a man, but you can hit the A-gap like a motherfucker."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 01:52 PM
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I defend it because I don’t believe in your biological essentialism. If I did, I’d also believe men to be a lot worse than I do. You want to describe yourselves as unevolved mammals, then you don’t get to just pick the bits that suit you. I'll play along. What specifically am I cherrypicking? Not sure if I even stated anything else I agreed or disagreed with. The “visceral” is totally subjective: be jealous and resentful, have an unhealthy relationship with your sexuality and project your resent…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 01:28 PM
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And? I'd say it's definitely for fetish reasons given men on general aren't flocking to morbidly obese women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 02:49 AM
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Easy to attract? No. Easy to sleep with? Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 02:05 AM
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Yeah, hard pass on that. Don't want to have to deal with HR because I read a situation wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 12:51 AM
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Then answer what you care about. Here's an example from this same thread that is really straightforward. Min income: 150k min height: 5’6 max height: 5’11 Hair color: blond Age range: 25-30 Body type: thin (don’t have a specific weight number in mind) I don’t really have any specific preferences for anything else you listed You calling it neurotic just makes you seem ridiculous. Everyone has standards and preferences. Unless you really have no standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 12:40 AM
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Numbers and measurements are not subjective, they're objective. Minimum/Maximum height: taller than me. That's literally it. (I'm 5'2") OK, so you do get the concept?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 12:35 AM
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600lb women are fit?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 12:24 AM
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I’m not complaining about men being seen as studs. I’m complaining about women being seen as repulsive for the same actions. Frankly, it should be so boring that it shouldn’t be commented on for either gender. That's not realistic and violates the learned biology of men. At a visceral level, they will almost always be repelled from promiscuous women. It’s actually super-easy for men to get their jacksies, and also requires zero skill: pay someone to let you have your 5 minutes of hammering. That…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 11:23 PM
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Who talks like that?! That’s my point. I’d call the person asking neurotic and the person answering in exact terms like that odd. "as much as I make or more" is literally the exact answer almost every career woman gives when she's asked. Are you serious? It’s just not typical for people to be able to narrow down their preferences to a math equation. It's pretty typical of you look through these comments. That doesn’t mean someone doesn’t have income standards what I’m saying is it’s odd to expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 11:20 PM
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I guess? If I did have to wear a suit every day, it would eventually bleed over into me not wanting to wear one during my non-work hours. I also wouldn't waste the breath, or emotionally drain my partner, complaining about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:41 PM
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you don't believe in absolutes yet you subscribe to an ideology that peddles nothing but absolutes? amazing I don't quote it as gospel. I doubt anyone follows any ideology, religious or otherwise, at 100%. but she said it to!!!" is also a bad rebuttal. Be better. Actually it's not. Highlighting your hypocrisy reveals you're arguing in bad faith. As for why the RP is mainstream - its because it offers a solution to an existing problem (however, I want to make this clear - "a" solution =/= a good …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:37 PM
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She doesn't feel pressured when she does it for a non-work environment. She does feel pressured and complains about it when it's a professional "requirement". It seems like she just wants to complain instead of extending the hobby to perfect the "professional look". Here's a better example. Let's say my hobby was building wwii airplane models. My boss found out, he's into them to. Then he buys a bunch of unfinished models to display in the office and says, "hey I'll pay you to work on these duri…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:29 PM
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That's why I find it silly that everyone's calling this a bullshit story... This kinds shit happens every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:19 PM
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“RP hate speech” - y’all wanna be the victims so bad its hilarious - like if y’all are gonna be misogynists at least don’t be pussies about it. That's not being a victim. It's calling out the people who think they're being victimized by what we've said. some women chose to cheat with a more successful man, “its female nature bro”, or hell, even in this scenario - people have always been interested in famous and/or conventionally attractive people, and yes, some will even take a chance to cheat -…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 08:17 PM
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Do you see how she can feel all of the above and not be contradictory? No. It just seems like she doesn't like being "pressured" into wearing it. I don't like being "pressured" into paying my mortgage on odd months, ok with paying on even months, but I also don't like being homeless. Complaining about it is complaining for complaining's sake. She could channel her creative energy into perfecting the "professional" look instead of complaining about being pressured.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:55 PM
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No, it isn't. So you're telling me, if I asked a single female lawyer how much her potential husband/boyfriend would have to make, and she said 'close to the 160k I make or more than me', she's neurotic? By your definition, at least 70% of women are neurotic. I don't even have an issue with women having income requirements, as long as they're being realistic given their looks/age/career.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:38 PM
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Sure. Whatever helps your argument...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:31 PM
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They aren't interested in it, but it happens to them regardless of what they want. Let's say a woman is with a top 20% guy, has sex with them a few times, she says she wants commitment, he doesn't give it to her, then what? That's classified as casual sex because they weren't in a committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:25 PM
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Sure they do, especially if that's what you also want. The fact that everyone complains about men being called studs for sleeping around implies the men who are praising them want the same thing for themselves. In your opinion they should be praised because you don't want it. That's just your opinion. That's like if I got upset because people were praising some makeup YouTuber for designing some new technique for using concealer (not even sure if that even possible, but whatever). I don't give a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:20 PM
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No, he means 80% of the women who are having sex. The 80/20 rule applies to the open dating market. 80% of the women only go to the top 20% of men, 80% of the men are fighting for the remaining 20% of women. That's the concept in a nutshell, and the other commenter didn't explain it well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 07:01 PM
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It's better to just assume they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 06:58 PM
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You joke but pre-selection is a MF, especially in a small space where women all talk to each other. If you do a good job with the first one, and she talks about it with the rest of the women, it's almost a guarantee that the rest of them (at least the ones looking for casual sex) will come running. I've seen this happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 06:58 PM
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How does it work then? At least supply an alternative line of thinking if you disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 06:51 PM
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Because it's believable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 06:49 PM
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the issue with framing this as “rp thinking” is that it pins the belief directly in the realm of the redpill alone, that the redpill discovered it or made it famous - it didn’t. See, I find it funny when something that was RP fringe-manosphere borderline hate speech, like in this example the 80/20 rule, becomes accepted by the mainstream as objective reality, then y'all claim "everyone already knew this" to try to discredit RP talking points...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 06:47 PM
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Works for me, when I'm dealing with feminine women. Never works on the masculine girl boss types.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 06:39 PM
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TRP seems to work best on women who operate that way. Wrong. TRP works with women who want to be feminine. Common misconception.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 06:35 PM
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He more than likely got that info from Chad McGymrat. I'm assuming this is how it happened: overheard some girls talking about him, one says yeah I hooked up with him, then the other said me too, then OP maybe overheard it again, then goes to chat with Chad, and he says "yeah I've hooked up with 90% of the women here".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 06:32 PM
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Yeah, because it's easy. You know, people in general typically praise people for doing something difficult, not for doing something easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 06:28 PM
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Oh sorry, got you mixed up with another commenter
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 06:00 PM
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I applaud someone trying to increase their standard of living and their families by obtaining access to a higher income and a new citizenship. But then you're shitting on the guy that helped?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:45 PM
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Would you rather they stay in poverty? That's pretty cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:43 PM
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Lbs, I'll edit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 03:11 PM
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Ok, what's about income? Would you date a guy who had no job and made $0/year?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:50 PM
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You can in terms of who you even consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:49 PM
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Male dating women. Height: doesn't matter Weight: under 170 lbs Cup size: doesn't matter Age: 18-30 Income: doesn't matter Hair/eye/skin color/ethnicity: doesn't matter Face: 6/10 and above.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:47 PM
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Yes you can. Would you date a guy who's 4'10?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:45 PM
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He didn't say "love", he said standards/preferences. Example, sure you could end up loving the homeless guy on the corner, but he wouldn't even be considered unless he at least has a job, right? Expand even further, you probably wouldn't want a guy making min wage working at Wendy's, so how much would he need to make? Same for height, age, etc. Look at it like you're the interviewer for a job opening. What are the requirements to even get an interview? What are the minimums/maximums for a guy to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:34 PM
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On a side note, a woman who owns a dog drops 2 or 3 points for me. I mean really, the dog might as well be a kid with the amount of time and attention they require. Cats are fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:12 PM
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But personally, i think it's a false dichotomy. You can have BOTH. You introduced the dichotomy yourself. Regardless, I'm done going back and forth in circles with you. Not sure what the motivation or intention was behind your post, outside of maybe checking your logic against others in a debate forum? Either way, I'd go back and re-think the majority of what you're touting and how useful it is for men in general, not ones who are genetically superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:00 PM
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I don't think you realize i am a man. Yeah, I didn't. It would be sexist to help random men carry groceries but to not help women, because you don't regard them as worthy of your help. I wouldn't jump to help anyone with their groceries unless they asked, male or female, or if they were elderly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:47 PM
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It seems to be a general consensus from the exact site we're communicating on. When did I say "all women say XYZ"? I didn't even imply "most or the majority". You're the one who introduced an absolute by saying "No women actually thinks that's misogyny". I fulfilled your request and found women who do hold that belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:32 PM
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The average 20 year old is a slacker who spends his time playing video games, binge watching shit on Netflix, or arguing with strangers on Reddit. Which is the exact problem. They're wasting their time doing the stuff you mentioned and trawling for ass at the mall or local dive bar. When they're 30-35 and competing for women against me, I'll be winning because I knew how to delay gratification in life. I will concede that your advice is good for a specific group: young men with no drive in life …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:27 PM
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The title literally ask 'is it misogynistic". I can't believe you're actually arguing this fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:12 PM
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Here's 460 comments to prove they do. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/sphfuq/are_the_concepts_of_body_count_and_virginity/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:09 PM
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Actually yes, I was in my senior year of college and also around 350lbs. Too bad I missed out on all that poon I could have had "confidence-ing" my way out of being fat/unattractive... Seriously, go back through your post and listen to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:07 PM
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Wanting a housewife is not making any claim about women in general Sure, but they'll call you a chauvinist for not being able to "handle a strong willed independent woman". Not helping a woman or treating her preferably, but treating them like you would also treat men is not sexist at all. Really? I don't think you realize how men actually treat each other. You may see a filtered or restrained portrayal because you're there, but me and my friends rip on each other with some borderline psychologi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:04 PM
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Women think saying "I wouldn't date a OF model / high n-count woman / fat woman" is literal misogyny... In short, don't take their criticisms seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:47 PM
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Would you agree that being with no partner is better than being with one that makes your life worse? There's a tipping point where the sex isn't worth the headache. For women, there's a tipping point where the companionship isn't worth the headache. Looks match aside, I think most men 5 or below could reach that tipping point. Mig-tow (not sure if we can even use the acronym here) is the proof of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 12:45 PM
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Great photos of what? A 3/10? There's only so much field of depth, focal length, framing and shot composition can do for a genetically unattractive person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 11:38 AM
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How would that build confidence in escalating interactions to sexual interest? You're speaking from a position of privilege saying "it's so easy". That's like me being intelligent and able to quickly reduce complex processes into easily digestible and repeatable programs and saying "it's so easy to make 6 figures! All you got to do is be the smartest guy at your company and demonstrate it for nearly a decade!" It's not easy and requires genetic prerequisites leaning towards intelligence. If pick…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 11:35 AM
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This whole post is either a LARP, or the entire post is explained in the first line of the post... "I'm tall and attractive. I tried PUA and it works", hell, anything works if you're those 2. Either way, this post proves nothing, nor does it introduce anything new.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 03:44 AM
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Most guys don't have time for this BS. 100 women a week begging for numbers, then all of that to get laid once, MAYBE? Fuck the ego, there's so many better uses of a man's time than trawling for ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 03:38 AM
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Go on a date every three days (3hours/3=1) Text on dating apps: 20 minutes Do you really think this is feasible for the average man? You are extremely off base with how many dates or matches an average man can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 03:36 AM
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PUA is 80% confidence. You can't learn confidence from a book it takes practive. I.e., 10,000 hours flirting with women, self reflecting and improving. Confidence comes from results. Good luck trying this as a 5'3 2/10 manlet on the spectrum. 10k hours of flirting and talking to women with little to no success will produce 0 confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 03:33 AM
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The reasoning is always "I was young and impressionable". Apparently women simultaneously do and don't have agency, whichever is convenient at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 03:17 AM
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Because it's easy rage bait. Older men will say "younger women are better looking and more fun to date", post-wall women chime in with "I'm not bitter and jaded, I'm just smarter now", younger women will say "I refuse to date older men" knowing damn well if Chad-zaddy who owns a yacht wanted to date them they would, and the younger guys don't say much other than "it's hard as shit dating as a younger guy, women have it too easy". The "older man/younger women" relationships are backed my biology …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 03:14 AM
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This is a great point. Women say they want to be an equal in the relationship, but they definitely will commit to a guy who's way better looking, makes way more money, is much taller, physically stronger, etc. Now, I don't disagree that they like the idea or the way it sounds, but they actually want a man that's a leader.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:46 AM
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I'm now much more attuned to red flags when I date people. Some people might see it as "jaded and burnt out by dating", which is part of why I avoid dating older women. and aren't as easily impressed. Yet another reason I avoid them. Seems like I have to do a standing back flip, where as with a younger woman a cartwheel would do. It's exhausting. Regardless of both of the reasons above, younger women are universally more physically attractive. Why deal with both issues listed above if I can avoi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:40 AM
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Because she's got less than a year left.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:19 AM
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Technically, your view is an assertive claim. I do agree with it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:18 AM
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Because he values peace more than sex. I have friends that get maybe 3 or 4 first dates per year, hookups with one of them for a few weeks then they're done. Either party could have been the guilty one. To imply that "a man should just settle for a low quality woman because it's better than jacking off" debases men to the idea that they should just take the sex at the cost of their own sanity, and debases women to nothing more than harpies that get to be as crazy as they want as long as they put…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 02:16 AM
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They wouldn't have difficulty getting dates with men who are 4s, no. They may have an issue getting them to commit, in which case it's not "Chad won't commit", it's "something must be wrong with me or how I act around men". I doubt many women have considered the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 09:56 PM
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You said you weren't yourself. Your post was deleted, so now I can comb through it, but the implication was "I'm looking for A fwb" not "I'm looking for multiple casual sex partners".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 09:53 PM
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I'd be clearing my schedule for the next 2 weeks 😆. But seriously, having to filter through 100s to get to one person requires you add more deal breakers that didn't exist before, and arbitrary ones that would seem trivial. There's no way out of the 4 things she listed filtered down to 3 men she actually responded to. More was added.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 09:49 PM
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The women I've dated on psych meds, and the ones I know via other means, all seem undateable to me. Just my personal experience. Some people may be more open to that, but me personally? I avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 09:47 PM
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Gotta play within the rules and results you’re given. So the ends to justify the means. The next time a woman here gets upset about "men saying they want LTRs then they switched it to FWB/ghosted me", I'll point them to this comment about how lying to get what you want is justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 09:22 PM
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While I don't disagree, the point of my post was to highlight women who complain that "men just want fwbs and casual sex" don't realize they are likely the cause of a relationship not materializing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 08:29 PM
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This is wrong. It's 20% of women, Still significant so my point still applies. Notably, men are more likely than women to abuse alcohol. Cool. Not sure how that's related, but ok. I think women should avoid alcoholics too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 08:26 PM
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No, it still boils down to "be physically attractive", she said it herself. Even if a guy checked every box of "don't jump to sex talk, learn about me as a person, etc." he's still not even getting his foot in the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 07:47 PM
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Because we already know the advice you're giving us. Let's be fair here, the 80% of guys who responded to you took, what, 15-30 seconds to type the message to you? It's not like they all took a weekend to write you a dissertation. The guys that message "hey slut" and the like most likely don't give a shit whether you read it or not, and carpetbomb the app with that same message because "it worked once, might work again".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 07:40 PM
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Can't imagine fucking a chick that's fucking 2 or 3 other guys on the regular 🤮 Wrap it up and don't go down unless you're extremely confident you're the only one. I've gone raw dog with some women that were even in active relationships, and I hope for the bf's sake she waited a few days...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 07:36 PM
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There's still only 1 opening. Let's say all 100 messages were worth opening, here's the likely outcome: combing through all of the messages, the eventual paradox of choice, and never making a decision. OP is lucky 80% of them disqualified themselves, so I'm not sure why she's complaining, or even trying to tell men something we don't already know.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 07:34 PM
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I actively advise women to never actually put "something casual" as what they're seeking for this reason. Everyone should just have "relationship" and then when you actually get a few messages in, you can have the "what are you really seeking" conversation. Ah, so if a woman actually wants something casual she should get the men that want relationships to contact her so she can then get into how she lied? Didn't we get into a whole argument that "people should be honest about their intentions in…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 07:24 PM
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No, fwb to men means "I like having sex and being friends, but I'm also not settling for you and I'm still dating other women", mainly if he's the one holding out on committing. The lack of monogamy is the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 07:17 PM
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She's also on a BDSM site, not a standard run-of-the-mill dating app.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 07:10 PM
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For the sake of math, let's say you got exactly 100 responses. Let's say 80% of them were respectful like you advised men be, then of the remaining, 20% were attractive. You aren't fucking all 16 guys. You still reduced it down to 1 person. This post isn't really that useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 07:02 PM
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I don’t think we know a number. But I’m extremely confident, based on my experience and the experiences of all the women I know, that it’s not the number you provided. Don’t you think it’s curious that every woman knows AT LEAST one woman that has been sexually assaulted, raped, abused, etc The number may be higher, but there's no way to really tell. On the second point, I've heard that quote before and I have no clue how the data was collected. I'm sorry that happened to you. I'm sure it's diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 06:20 PM
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Some sure, mostly from fetishists, but I seriously doubt every house-ridden obese woman has a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 06:11 PM
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Oh yeah? What's the percentage then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 05:52 PM
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That would be more classified under scenario A. There's more to B that distinguishes the differences. Even if both parties are 4s looks-matched, in a vacuum not from either sides perspectives, and the guy still doesn't want to commit, then obviously there's an issue with the woman. Men, most of them anyway, don't just settle for the first woman who is willing to sleep with him. It happens but not as often as people claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 05:18 PM
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Fair point. How many LTRs have you been in from that route?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 04:46 PM
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I still think men are expected to tick off a bunch of boxes while women basically just need to exist. For sex? Yes. For a relationship? No. Women have boxes to tick off for that too, and I think that's why a ton of them think men only want fwb/casual sex: they aren't ticking off the boxes the man requires for a relationship. I think a lot of the men in here haven't been in that position of "relationship denial", so they don't consider it as a possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 04:44 PM
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But then they classify it as "I got pumped and dumped AGAIN" and it gets lumped in with the PPD posts and tiktok videos complaining about men not wanting to commit, men only wanting casual sex, etc. If the guy isn't an obvious player, they never consider that "maybe I'm the problem" and do some introspection.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 04:20 PM
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There's 2 schools of thought here: A) women are playing way above their league and can't get commitment from a "top 10% Chad" because he knows he can do better, is just playing the field, and has no intentions of settling down with her. Or, I'm surprised no one has brought this up yet: B) maybe she isn't worth committing to? Not because he can do better, because she's a mess. Even if you've got two looks matched people, both a 6/10, both with reasonable jobs/incomes, maybe she's just way too muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 04:07 PM
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Not sure how that's a criteria. The only difference between the two scenarios, assuming this is some form of cold approach and it isn't a mutual friend/acquaintance, is that you see them in person and can hear his voice vs reading messages through am app. If this is a mutual friend/acquaintance, maybe? That would be mostly through social pressure from the other mutual friends. But, tbf, I didn't let that force me into commitment in the 2 situations I've been in with women that were through mutua…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 03:52 PM
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When's the last time you specifically were violent and aggressive? You are male (I'm guessing based on you username), so of course it must have been within the last week or so?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 03:42 PM
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"Minority" is the relevant point. Based on the reductive principle, any group is a minority group if you add in enough variables. White males are 31% of the population in the US, and that's way less than 50%. Also, since I'm a black man, if a woman says she's feels unsafe, I get to claim it's because I'm black and not because I'm a man, then we get to play the Victimhood Olympics for who's right? Who wins? Whoever gets to claim they're part of a smaller minority group? It's all ridiculous. Also,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 03:40 PM
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...yes? Admitted to using prejudice to avoid groups based on race, creed or skin color? Gotcha. Most crime and relationships happen within racial, cultural, and ethnic groups. The dynamic of women being at risk from men cross-cuts all of these divisions. That's not what's being argued here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 03:19 PM
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And? So it's logically consistent to make a generalization about half of the population? You realize that comment really hurts your argument, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 03:17 PM
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Any. That vs the entire population of men as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 03:01 PM
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So that's your determining criteria for whether or not you can make a sweeping generalization about how dangerous a group is?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 03:01 PM
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Daily is wild considering most women have about a week every month where that's a no-go for me personally. Not kinkshaming. I should though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 01:38 PM
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Agreed. At which point can we call this out as sexism? I'm sure if you say "I don't want to be around blacks because they're violent", that's obviously racism. Replace blacks with men, and it's said repeatedly on a daily basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 01:36 PM
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It's victim mentality rhetoric to further the agenda to elevate women even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 01:23 PM
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What percentage of men are really violent towards women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 01:21 PM
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Essentially, yeah. Catcalling and cold approaching anything with a vagina is pure simping. Throwing around validation like it's free currency.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 12:25 PM
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No that's the goal. Drooling over a woman irl who you just met is the ultimate form, yet you seem to advocate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 02:14 AM
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You don't seem to understand that approaching is the ultimate form of simping. Get a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 02:09 AM
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An initiation is literally ASKING someone to go somewhere. FOH
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 01:56 AM
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Yes, the vast majority of women wearing makeup do a more natural than artistic look, mostly for male attention and female competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 12:21 AM
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Ask yourself this - do men do stuff only with the intention of getting women’s attention? Or do they do it because they like it and want to for themselves? Now apply that to women. Yes. If it's appearance based, sure. Like going to the gym. I work out to look better so I can attract more/better women. I don't build wwii historical models because I think I'm going to get more women. Yes there are some women who actively do stuff just to get men’s attention - but you can’t apply that to ALL women.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 12:18 AM
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We aren't talking about the unnatural colors with adhesive gemstone bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 12:12 AM
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This is obvious. I'm surprised anyone believes anything other than this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 12:11 AM
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Why? What about it makes you think the government should intervene?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 12:01 AM
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I've been seeing s lot of dumbass shit on this sub today. Then again, I have been checking this sub more than normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 12:00 AM
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If women could ban men irl, I guarantee you they would.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 11:56 PM
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The one who asks out is the chooser. As simple as that. The chooser has the power. No, it puts you in the weaker position of the negotiation because you've played your hand. Give me an example to make this make more sense...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 11:27 PM
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But if he pumps and dumps her, he's the bad guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 11:23 PM
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So I should take the route of approaching every woman with the chances of pissing off 25% of them? No thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:59 PM
1

Even at the dog park?!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:57 PM
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Maybe I already am? Way to be presumptuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:48 PM
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Melissa Mccarthy in anything. Fat Amy in Pitch Perfect. These tropes are rare for women, but they do happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:47 PM
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Collapse in what sense? I think eventually we'll get to a point where it's just as common for women to initiate as men, but it might take a few decades or longer. That seems to be a society builder not collapse-er. The collapse comes when women realize the only attractive men on dating apps have 0 intention of settling down, so the user base shrinks. Once it hits 4:1 men to women, the apps will lose viability for both sexes. That plus the combination of "we don't want to be approached by men" wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:45 PM
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Post-wall isn’t a thing for normal people. It very much is. I've dated women from ages 18 up to 40. Women over 30-32 are completely different. Totally jaded, burnt out from dating forever, usually not as attractive, and just not fun to date. Survey statistics overwhelmingly show women are most attractive from 20-25. That's a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:25 PM
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It's still less. It seems like you're just trying to argue now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:22 PM
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A new girl turns 21 every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 10:21 PM
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That's in your opinion. Let's say a woman sleeps with 2 new men per year on average. Not even sure if that's accurate, but just stick with me. A woman who's 25 who started at 18 would have an n-count of 14. A 35 year old woman would have a n-count of 34.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 09:31 PM
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I still like casual sex and don't want to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 09:25 PM
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Just from a temporal stand point, a younger woman would have less time for that to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 09:25 PM
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Most of what's happening in dating: ghosting, pumped and dumped, being put in a rotation, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 08:26 PM
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Because I don't. Am I not allowed to have my standards/preferences? Aren't men and women allowed to be attracted and repulsed by different things? Women usually want someone taller than them. Men don't or don't care. Women want a partner that makes more money than them. Men don't or don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 07:42 PM
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That's actually a pretty interesting subreddit. You should check it out to see the attitude displayed by the "post-wall warriors".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 07:31 PM
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I’ve known some women who were doing seeking arrangement and sugar life, but I bet you that they would have denied the claim that they’re a prostitute Of course they would. Most women and some men hate to do introspection and judge their own past behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 07:30 PM
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Sure. Either way, it won’t work out because you’re not all on one accord. And ALL women aren't either. It's almost like people have the own ideals, goals, and wants. Color me shocked. motto only fuels women to act like hoes because they see men giving hoes attention while ignoring them. You are actually apart of the problem. So 10 years from now I'll settle down with one that was smart enough to avoid the "ho" lifestyle. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 07:15 PM
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The difference is I actually like casual sex and finding new sexual partners. Most women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 07:06 PM
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I've been in 3 LTRs. Why do you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 07:06 PM
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You didn't even address my comment, just more platitudes of complaint. I don't even think you read it full given the last sentence in your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 06:43 PM
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Saying those things are unrelated is asinine. Some women are fed up with having to do more housework and childcare while earning similar or more than their husband. Finances are the number one issue in marriage. How are you getting "unfair amounts of housework" out of that? You should probably go look into Occam's Razor, and apply it to your logic, so you aren't adding a ton of unnecessary, unrelated ideas into your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 06:27 PM
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How do you pay off debt? Money, preferably more money than you were making previously. How dare a woman want someone that makes around the same amount of money as them right? even if it’s a little les or little more. That doesn’t make relationships transactional, especially since he isn’t the ONLY one paying for her, they’re both paying. I never said it was foolish for women to want that. It's logical and makes the relationship smoother if the man makes more than the woman. I don't disagree with…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 06:01 PM
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I swear, the women in here think they've outsmarted their biology, or they're just lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 05:40 PM
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She'd be pushing me to get some form of side hustle to make more money, or to find an even higher paying job. The reality is men don't "feel" emasculated when the woman makes more. They GET emasculated by the woman who's making more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 05:26 PM
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They're used to being treated as second pickings and their self esteem is on the floor. So long as it's considered putting women on a pedestal to treat them as equal human beings No, they expect prefential treatment. I rip on my male friends for their dumb ass decisions and we can laugh about it. I do the same, ie equal treatment, they get their feelings hurt and they call me an asshole. The reality is women couldn't handle being treated like a man so they do want preferential treatment, ie pede…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 04:49 PM
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Men will still date and marry hoes regardless. Simp men will. Actually useful men who have options will continue to interact with them as "fun use only".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 04:44 PM
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Especially in the digital social media age where less interactions are heppening in person. Whenever I see an orbiter kissing women's asses in person, I cringe. Reeks of desperation. Seeing it on screen in text form is less jarring because we see it every day online.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 04:28 PM
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Then don't frame it as negative. I never said "women want taller, stronger men that have good jobs because they're small, weak and broke". The connotation of the framing and implication matters. 36.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 04:26 PM
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Sorry, I can't and won't defend the actions of some perverts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 04:08 PM
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Is the divorce rate increasing or decreasing? What's the main point of contention in marriages? What percentage of divorces are filed by women? Answers: increasing, finances, and 70-80%. Long story short, women are fed up with men that don't earn enough or more than them. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 04:00 PM
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Cool, not sure how that's related, but glad you had a good time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 03:49 PM
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I wouldn't feel emasculated because I wouldn't even waste my time attempting to date her. That relationship would be doomed to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/23 03:43 PM
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