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But where's a set of stairs when you need one, amirite? Say, you remind me of a young me. Not much younger, mind you. Perhaps even slightly older... If it's any consolation, wrt Mother Void, I got a date the other day. Granted, it turned sour when she wanted to challenge me on epistemology for some reason... But I suppose my point is: keep your head up, and you too may find yourself in the brief company of cute radical skeptics who breathe astrology.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:04 AM
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Perhaps Schopenhauer was just ahead of his time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 11:44 AM
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Hmm? I said right. Then I refocused on what we're actually talking about, which is men respectfully approaching. Like you said. I'm just tracking what you yourself said, and the actual context of the conversation. Like you said, even men respectfully approaching is traumatizing. Therefore we need people sized hamster balls. Or just outlaw being a man in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:36 PM
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Right but it doesn't even have to be about sex. Simply approaching people, respectfully, is traumatizing. Like you said. At least if the perpetrator is a white cishet male, like you said. So we need to be prepared for even this kind of respectful trauma. And the hamster ball is the only way I can see to prevent that. I don't know why you're not more on board with this. It's not like you actually want to live in a world where those... "people" are allowed to just be out in public, respectfully tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 03:06 AM
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Well like you said, it doesn't matter even if a man is respectful. So we need a way to remove all interaction. Perhaps in a more perfect world, we could simply outlaw being a white cishet male, that way women wouldn't have to keep seeing people who resemble their abuser. But barring that, I think the hamster ball idea is really the best we can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 07:48 PM
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Man, we should really invent a protective device to keep all these women safe from being traumatized. Like a solid bubble, or a person sized hamster ball. That way they can finally go about their lives as normal, and all these abusers would have to treat them like people, instead of trying to talk to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 03:12 PM
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Click the link. This is what they're responding to.
/r/MensRights30/10/25 12:30 AM
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How magnanimous. You are welcome to your imagination. I've clarified my position, and feel zero need to prove anything to you, a stranger on the internet attacking my character all because I said this is an uphill battle. I don't know what's happened to you to make you so cynical, but I wish you luck on your journey of growth. Have a nice day.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/25 05:13 PM
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"Likely fruitless" is a comment towards what I perceive to be the challenges such an effort faces. Not a comment on the idea itself. This should be evident. By "tilting at windmills", I'm referring to you treating me like an enemy. Dismissing my comments as "trolling" only furthers my point. You would do well to extend a little more charity in your interpretations before acting like this towards people who support the same cause. Especially when they explicitly clarify their intentions and meani…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/25 03:29 AM
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It simply is not. I should know, as I am quite more familiar with the author of that comment than you are. You're framing my comment as dismissal, when it was rather a look at the factors behind why these models demonstrate this bias in the first place. I cannot help if some person lacks the ability to comprehend nuance and must reduce thought to a binary, but I do not talk out both sides of my mouth. I did not put the effort down in the slightest. To put it down would be to criticize the effort…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/25 06:57 PM
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(I assume you meant "the others aren't more biased towards misandry", correct me if that's a wrong assumption) You may be right. Though it may be a difference without distinction. Perhaps I would have been more correct to say that Grok is less predisposed to the "women are wonderful" effect than other models. (To be fair I don't really use Grok, this is based more on what I've read and infer) I agree with the thrust of what you're saying. It's less about any model being explicitly anti-male, and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/25 01:55 PM
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Every model is biased, that much is an inescapable epistemic fact. They may vary in where their biases lie or the framing they use to treat such subjects. Whether Grok is more factually accurate I do not know. I do believe it's less biased towards misandry specifically. Did you leave another comment to me and delete it? I got a notification but it's gone now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/25 07:01 PM
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I feel like my point is being lost lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/25 03:01 AM
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Agreed. It's not clear to me if you believe that is in opposition to my message though. It feels like that's the case.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/25 08:36 PM
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An admirable aim, but likely a fruitless one, I'm afraid. The bias these models demonstrate is largely reflective of online discourse, as the source of a model's training data. This bias just naturally emerges from the water we swim in, sociologically and academically. You can artificially tweak elements of a model's disposition post hoc, but it's clunky. See Grok and "Mecha Hitler". LLMs tend to overfit instructions explicitly. Further... Most of these models are run by people who fundamentally…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/25 08:21 PM
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My bad homie. It seemed like you were making a comment on your girl spending that money. I misinterpreted the context you were speaking in.
/r/MensRights13/07/25 06:28 AM
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Might wanna recheck your math, brother. It's closer to 1,500.
/r/MensRights12/07/25 08:12 PM
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I was very confused when I saw this. Then I realized what's happening. You're interpreting "allow" to mean "permit" rather than "abide" or "accept". Valid, but not how I naturally read that sentence, and I suspect the people saying it also don't mean it in the way you're hearing it. I doubt they think anyone literally needs permission.
/r/MensRights26/06/25 12:33 AM
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Most tend to love true crime drama. I bet a non-zero number thought it would be like that.
/r/MensRights25/06/25 11:58 PM
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"How men’s loneliness affects women" That's straight out of The Onion. What a time to be alive.
/r/MensRights18/06/25 01:41 AM
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Maybe we're talking past each other here lol. I'm saying it's a subjective concept. It looks like you were saying it has subjective outcomes, but it itself is not subjective. I'm not sure what the point about objective undergirding accomplishes if you aren't arguing towards objectivity of the concept. Just trying to help you strengthen your argument, btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 04:47 PM
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Your broader point can stand without "value" being objective. In fact, it would have to in order to be sound, because value literally is subjective, in every sense. You only weaken your argument by making it contingent on objectivity. To your specific point: something being undergirded by objective qualities doesn't make that thing itself objective, when it inherits normative premises. "Value" in dating in entirely subjective, no matter if it references objective qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 04:28 PM
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You can hate their mindset without being ambivalent to their death. I get you're venting and probably not being literal, but we do run the risk of being no better than them when we say stuff like that.
/r/MensRights24/05/25 03:49 PM
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You can say "ass", you know. We won't tell your mom on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 10:39 AM
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That's a more recent addition meant to obfuscate the asymmetry inherent in the framework. It's build upon the notion that men have structured society to the detriment of women (and sometimes even other men!), and that equality can be found in tearing down "the patriarchy" and increasing benefitial outcomes for women. The underlying premise of the ideology is that men are oppressors in society, and this premise is foundational to the ideology. It cannot be removed from it, no matter how much lip …
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:54 PM
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Who would you say is better, in a moral sense. Someone who structures society to oppress and subjugate another group of people, or an innocent person struggling to overcome the repeated injuries and tyranny over them? ... ? That ideology is explicitly a moral condemnation of a whole group of people. This alone is something you need to understand.
/r/MensRights13/05/25 04:50 PM
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I don't really think it is a bad comparison. They're both based on the premise of moral superiority, in slightly different ways. We can explore that more deeply if you'd like, but I don't think that's the main focus of your message. I don't hate feminists. I hate chauvinistic exclusionary ideologies based on identity groups. Feminism isn't something you're born into, it's something you choose to identify as and support. I can oppose that without hating the people who align themselves with it. I …
/r/MensRights13/05/25 03:42 AM
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It's an oxymoron. You cannot have an ideology structured around the benefit of one identity group and call it egalitarian. Adding adjectives does not make it so. I wouldn't even call MRA egalitarian. Closer to it than feminism, sure. But it can't ever be truly egalitarian by its nature, and feminism can certainly not be. "Egalitarian KKK" or "Egalitarian White Power" aren't coherent ideas. Look, I get and can appreciate what you're trying to do. But the idea you're advocating isn't "feminism but…
/r/MensRights13/05/25 03:00 AM
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I can't tell if this is satire or not, but I think that's part of the charm of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 11:33 PM
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Great question, and I appreciate you asking it. The paper does mention inmate victimization, and argues that this is a population often ignored in statistics. However, that isn't the source of the data in question. From their paper: For example, in 2011 the CDC reported results from the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS), one of the most comprehensive surveys of sexual victimization conducted in the United States to date. The survey found that men and women had a simila…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 02:40 AM
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If you click on the links within the article, you will find the sources therein. I posted it for the broader context, trusting you knew you could do this. I'll help you out and give the direct link though. https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/full/10.2105/AJPH.2014.301946?journalCode=ajph And the other link still stands of course
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:52 PM
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I'm curious where this person is getting that quote from, because those exceptions aren't. Men are victims of sexual assault at very nearly the same rate, and victims of non-reciprocal domestic violence 70% of the time (in heterosexual relationships) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_men https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 03:21 AM
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Mate, you need to understand​ that pointing out that your idea is stupid is not defending cheating. Those are entirely different things and if you can't understand​, you'll go through life always frustrated and confused and always thinking you're right. People can hate cheating and stupid ideas at the same time.
/r/MensRights24/04/25 03:17 PM
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Yeah I figured he must be very young to be this clueless. Hope he gets his stuff sorted out.
/r/MensRights24/04/25 03:09 PM
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Wishing you love and better understanding on your journey of growth 🙏
/r/MensRights24/04/25 12:53 PM
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Oh. You just have no principles. Got it. I won't laugh when someone cheats on you. Best of luck out there, kid.
/r/MensRights24/04/25 12:48 PM
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"Dating" isn't a legally defined status. By the law, either you're married or single. So what you're proposing would require the creation of a legal status of relationship and commitment... Which is just marriage. The fact that I know I've been cheated on doesn't matter. Every couple has their own boundaries. Some people think porn is cheating. Some think flirting. Some kissing. Some sex. Etc etc. Then you have emotional infidelity, which is both real and extremely murky. Do you want to spend yo…
/r/MensRights24/04/25 12:38 PM
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It would be a terrible idea. Not because I want to defend cheaters. I've been cheated on and it's awful. But something like this is not the way. It would be so immensely abusable, and would be abused by the worst people. This wouldn't protect the innocent, but merely give the wolves more tools. It also just fails in principle. What is the definition of cheating? Your definition is different from other people's. What's the burden of proof? Who will investigate these "crimes"? Who will prosecute t…
/r/MensRights24/04/25 12:12 PM
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Your phone really really doesn't want you to type the word "domestic" lol
/r/MensRights28/03/25 04:29 PM
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"I'm too lazy to watch this, gimme summary" "Okay but I'm too lazy to summarize, so I'll have AI do it." "Walkmine Virus?" "I was too lazy to edit."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/25 02:46 AM
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No, it would be a bad idea for multiple reasons. For one, who would be on this committee? Why ought some person or people be entitled to speak for half of the population? How would they be chosen, and by whom? Secondly, centralization of an ideological movement always leads to corruption. Thirdly, what power would this committee have? How would they enforce their decree, and why ought anyone care? Lastly, it would cement men's rights as un-egalitarian. It arguably flirts with it already, but str…
/r/MensRights26/03/25 08:56 PM
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That's called prejudice. You have no leg to stand on here. You're just pooping in your hand and throwing it around, and you should know better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 08:07 PM
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How dare you spread lies. That's dangerous to other women. You know nothing but that these people were victims, and yet can't help yourself from still accusing them of something so horrible. Just disgusting. Besides being wildly immoral, it only incentivizes evil men to actually do that, if you're going to accuse innocent people anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 07:56 PM
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telling someone they're a rapist even when they can't accept it despite being true Despite being true? This is my point. You automatically assume it's true based on absolutely nothing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 12:28 PM
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Check the username, you're confusing me for the other person. I will challenge potential contributing factors considering I don’t know a single man falsely accused so it’s starkly different to my own You're using your personal experience as data in relation to prevalence literally in the same sentence that you're accusing him of doing it. If it's not valid argumentation for him, it's certainly not for you either. And either way, even if it were, that still doesn't justify blaming victims. There …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 12:36 AM
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"This person is talking about how he knows people who were victims of a crime. I'm going to condescendingly imply it was their fault and they should take steps to prevent that in the future". It's not a reach, that's what you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 12:11 AM
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"Maybe you girls need to sit around and have a discussion about what kind of clothes you're wearing and think about what kind of men you talk to." This is the equivalent of what you're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 12:04 AM
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You’re mixing emotions, legal commitments, and personal security into one high-risk pot. If that relationship collapses, you lose your home, your stability, and often your sense of identity Agreed, relationship dynamics with such power disparity are a risky proposition. Most people can't afford to miss more than one or two paychecks, and have a huge sense of their identity tied up in their work. Few people don't need their job to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 10:36 AM
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This is precisely the correct approach to have discussions in mutual good faith. And is a tool only to be used against you in the hands of those who flout good faith.
/r/MensRights18/03/25 09:55 PM
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Yes, many. Most don't hold this position, even accounting for hyperbole.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 09:44 PM
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I think that's an excellent lesson to take from it. I've been through this experience losing a family member, a dear friend, and girlfriend. It's never easy, but it sounds like you've done the introspection and found positive meaning from it, so I'm happy for you for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 06:58 PM
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Now she's dead. I will forever wonder if I had been Hey listen. It's not your fault and there's nothing you could have done. I promise you this. Don't for a second entertain "what ifs" like this. They say hindsight is 20/20, but the one thing it's blind to is what impact we actually could have had, if we knew then what we know now. I'm sorry for your loss 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 06:41 PM
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Elon is the most powerful and richest man on earth, and 95% of male americans worship him as a sort of messiah Do you truly believe this?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 06:34 PM
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Are you under the assumption that you will be drafted by some other country, somehow?
/r/MensRights09/03/25 02:26 PM
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You're good people and I like your mindset. Truly I think it's the right way to be and I hope you don't change. But I do think it's a little misplaced in this context. Putting something on your dating profile is about as clear an indication you can give that this is the image of you that you want the world to see. It's clear that she took pride in this, and this is reflective of who she is. At least at this point in her life.
/r/MensRights06/03/25 06:26 PM
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I would argue feminism is inherently pseudo conservative. Or "progressive conservatism", perhaps.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/25 04:41 PM
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Well it's very difficult to read, but I get the gist of it. And I can tell you're posting it here because you feel alone and unheard. And I'm sorry. 🫂
/r/MensRights28/02/25 02:30 AM
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Okay fair enough, thanks for your thoughts!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 01:59 AM
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How would you say this is distinct from simple homophobia?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 01:11 AM
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Just curious here. Do you believe her, and if so, how do you reconcile that with being blue pill? Has it softened your blueness?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 12:43 AM
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Did you read below that? Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases. Reciprocal violence is fighting. That necessarily means it's both man and woman being violent. Which means statistically those cancel out. In more than 70% of one sided domestic violence, women are the perpetrators. If you want to be a pedant about reciprocal vs nonreci…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 09:04 PM
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I think you hit the nail on the head here. It feels like it's all up to you and you have to guess, and the consequences of guessing wrong are instant failure. Preciate you making this post, by the way. This place needs more voices like yours that can intelligently speak from experience across the aisle with empathy and insight, without resorting to demonizing either side.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 05:41 PM
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My point is that you're condescending someone while being factually incorrect. OP is describing a function of reality that you keep wrongly insisting is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:40 PM
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You hate how "some" people experience the most basic biological drive for the continuation of the species, ingrained in life for millions of years, and the fundamental expression of intimate connection?
/r/MensRights25/02/25 08:37 PM
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I'm sure the vast majority of both men and women would agree "abuse is abuse", in the abstract. I think what OP is pointing to is that society doesn't typically apply the abstract to the concrete when the victim is a man, and are far less likely to call the same action "abuse" when done by a woman. I'm sure there are many people for whom it just doesn't occur that it's abuse when done to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:20 PM
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I don't think this person is saying anything incompatible with what you're saying. It seems more like they're agreeing with you, fundamentally, and you guys are split on minor semantic differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:14 PM
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You know you're making his point, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:09 PM
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Women commit 70% of domestic intimate partner violence https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/ 64% of male abuse victims are treated as the abuser https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/cj-jp/victim/rd14-rr14/p4.html People demonstrably take female on male abuse less seriously and assume a hypothetical abuser is male by default https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0749597820303630 Get over yourself. This is reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/25 08:05 PM
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You're actually an alien, aren't you? I don't think I've ever seen someone struggle to grasp reality so consistently as you lol. You are the most entertaining person in this sub, genuinely.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 04:16 AM
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An ancient magick, for sure, but a powerful one.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 10:33 PM
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Exactly. When someone says that, it's practically an explicit admission that they don't consider your feelings as valid and actively refuse to listen to what you have to say anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 09:47 PM
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Honestly I wouldn't even bother. Anyone who frames the issue like that at this point isn't arguing in good faith. I've tried before.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 09:39 PM
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False dichotomy. Some people reject foundational premises from both, others reject the framework upon which the dichotomy rests.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 09:36 PM
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I didn't say Marxism is egalitarian, I said "actual left ideals such as egalitarianism", disputing your claim that SJW is fundamentally left wing. SJW does rely on the oppressor/oppressed framework, yes. But that does not de facto make something left wing. Don't forget that the KKK made the same arguments, that the "white man" is under threat and that they need to dismantle the cultural framework in place in the post-war south. To be clear, I'm not trying to say these two positions are alike in …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 02:47 AM
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How do you figure? It's become associated with the left recently, absolutely. But it's in direct opposition to actual left ideals such as egalitarianism, and it's very non-Marxist. Maybe you're confused by the oppressor/oppressed element? That's not exclusive to Marx, and he didn't give two craps about identity politics. Leftism is concerned about class divide, not identity. SJW is a right wing position that some progressives have stolen and Frankensteined into a crude mockery of left wing ideal…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/25 02:22 AM
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All good, friend. It was more aimed at the general sentiment I see expressed so often than at you specifically. And definitely agree on what you're saying here. The root of a person's issues makes all the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 07:08 PM
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Yeah, I think blanket statements like this are just not correct. For some people, absolutely. But there's a lot of implicit victim blaming I find on this topic. Obviously nobody should let their mental health issues negatively influence how they treat someone. But I think a lot of people, in their haste to make that point, change it into "If you're depressed, you need to work on yourself before dating because you'll just drag them down and they won't make you happy in the first place." Some peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/25 06:05 PM
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Did you reply to me and then immediately delete it? Or was it so hostile it got mod-deleted?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 05:45 AM
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How can you even argue she's not left wing? She's totally left wing. Obviously so economically, but even socially as well. It seems like you're trying to equate leftism with the kind of right wing identity politics which progressives have co-opted in recent years. Left is not SJW and SJW is not left.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 03:18 AM
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Yeah I get it. The framework you're proposing is one in which the genders are locked into an adversarial dynamic and strategize how to best maximize their position. I understand that. I'm just saying that this strategy is literally taking money lol. They can frame or justify it however they want, it doesn't change what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 01:33 AM
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Except it's literally taking money. Perhaps you could phrase it as finding the best ATM for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 01:04 AM
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Don't know if this is the issue, but this sub requires you to replace the www with "np". That might help.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 05:26 PM
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Ah my mistake. Someone else didn't like me saying you're a good person lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 05:23 PM
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Based on the downvote, I suspect you thought I was being sarcastic, but I wasn't. It was meant as a genuine compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 01:27 AM
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Relatable!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/25 01:23 AM
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Perfectly said, honestly. Preciate you making that point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/25 03:11 PM
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It specifies non-reciprocal domestic violence. It's specifically that which is not from fighting or self defense. You missed my point thought. Let's say the finding was the opposite, that 70% was committed by men. Would you still be as quick to dismiss it? I think not, and I'm saying that you appear entrenched in your preconceived notions rather than approaching it with an open mind. Not only that, this is just a study, not statistics. Give me statistics. W- .... Where do you think statistics co…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 02:50 PM
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That's fine. There is other and more recent data with similar findings, but tbh I'm not interested in link spamming. I'm more curious what makes you think that this statistic would have suddenly changed, and in the direction you're suggesting? If anything, I would suspect the gap would grow larger, due to the increasing women's empowerment vibes in society, and increased suspicion against men. Plus you have the spread of the Duluth Model, which only skews things even further. So why do you belie…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 02:20 PM
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Actually I think you're understating your point. Men are victims of violent crime at significantly higher rates according to all the data I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 02:10 PM
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New here? I thought it was common knowledge around here by this point. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 02:08 PM
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Depends. 70% of domestic violence is committed by women. Over 50% of overall violent crime is said to be committed by men, but in the same breath, female on male violence is reported significantly less, for obvious reasons. The disparity in reporting is larger than the disparity between male and female violence. This suggests that even the overall violent crime statistic could be the other way around. To be fair, it doesn't prove it, but it does call that statistic into question and should at le…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:52 AM
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You seem like good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:47 AM
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It's not about not liking your answer. What he's doing is trying to help walk you through the logical implications of your argument. He's demonstrating that for your argument to be logically consistent, it has to rely on the same premises that you would balk at when applied to other people. The point is that your argument isn't sound, and it appears like you realize that, which is why you aren't engaging with the core of the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:43 AM
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Exactly. Mindsets like this are such a massive turn off that it would kill any interest for me right off the bat. Props to her for being honest. But ew.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:09 AM
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She's a sealion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 09:24 PM
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Did you reply to the wrong person? Everything you said is like... Not in response to what I said lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 06:41 AM
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Honestly, props to you for acknowledging a strong argument and expressing a willingness to potentially change your mind if further explored. That's not something I'm used to seeing around here, but it's admirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 12:31 AM
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This is a massive stretch, my guy. This ain't the move. We can't label a movement a terrorist organization for what it might become. Also it's a movement, not an organization. There's nothing there to label. Also most people have no idea what 4b is. Trying to pull the strings to get it silenced would only amplify it. Look up the "Streisand effect". Lastly, this would just make us all look like pathetic weirdos who actually care about what these other weirdos choose to do with their lives. It's u…
/r/MensRights09/02/25 12:16 AM
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And romance is more than just sex, no matter how much you want to deny that, for some bizarre reason
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 03:20 PM
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Are you unable to understand the point I'm making? It's not deflection, just perhaps over your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 03:17 PM
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You just want oxygen, don't you?? That's all you care about! Oxygen this, oxygen that. Have you EVER wanted anything else in life?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 03:15 PM
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"I'm hungry" "What you really mean is you're thirsty" "No, I mean I'm hungry" "Ah, but digesting food requires water. See how that works?" ... This is what you're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 02:26 PM
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"I'm saying X" "So you mean Y" "No, I mean X" "Lalala I can't hear you. You think Y"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 02:15 PM
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Humans have the ability to infer from context. If someone says that their buffalo wings are too hot, do you assume they mean the chicken is attractive? This sub is about blue pill/red pill stuff. The context is already there. It should be automatically assumed that when someone refers to loneliness, they're referring to romantic loneliness. I would argue this is true most of the time just in general parlance outside of this sub. I rarely hear it used in the sense you're talking about. But in thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 02:12 PM
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You're not wrong about this. But you partly misidentify the issue, or at least leave out a large part of it. Men are not particularly welcomed into teaching, especially K-12. Male teachers are often viewed suspiciously. I'm not going to say every male teacher ever has been subject to accusations, but many men don't feel comfortable even putting themselves into the position to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 04:09 AM
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Thank you. Genuinely.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 04:00 AM
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You speak truth. I think I often run afoul by assuming the other person shares the same reality as I do. Same facts and value structure. But perhaps I would be better served to assume that the chasm between them and I is simply too wide to be bridged by a common language. And thus that which I would call a lie was said by them earnestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 04:46 AM
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I don't really disagree with you, but I think the pattern you're describing is more a function of what "support" means to different people. I think for some, support means "hope everything goes well for them" and for others it means "this person counts on me and I'll do whatever I can within reason to help them." I think everyone falls somewhere between these, but perhaps women are more likely to lean a different way than men. It might be related to the hypo-agency/hyper-agency dynamic with men …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:30 PM
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Well alright, I assumed your response was meant to respond to what I was saying, which is that your implication appears obvious even to people with no dog in that fight.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:13 PM
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I'm not sure how that follows. I'm not a consumer of that content nor am I complaining. I'm speaking only of how your comment reads to a neutral third party. It's not hard to say "Shoot, I could have worded that better" instead of shifting blame, which only makes it seem more likely that your words matched your intention.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:08 PM
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I think you're identifying an aspect of human nature more than feminine dynamics specifically. Studies show that women have a significant in-group bias that isn't found in men. Generally speaking, that support among women is genuine. It might be capricious and easily lost, but that's a different thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:04 PM
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To be fair to this guy, the implication you're making at least appears extremely obvious. It might not be reflective of your intention or beliefs, but I think most reasonable people would read it this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:00 PM
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I get you. I think the counter argument is that you claim that academic credentials may indicate a higher likelihood of intelligence, and I would agree. But you acknowledge it's far from guaranteed. Wouldn't it be better then to "base" (as if one bases their attraction, but you know what I mean) it on the existence of the trait itself, rather than external metrics that might correlate with said trait? An example is that I like people who are kind. And kind people might be more likely to have mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 05:50 AM
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Sure. I'd have questions too. That's different than being attracted to someone for their money and status.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 05:45 AM
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I get that it's formed from evolutionary mechanisms. I understand "why". Still feels extremely weird to me. The concept of "choosing" to fall in love doesn't make sense to me, and the concept of being more attracted to someone because of their resources feels gross to me. Doesn't mean I don't understand feeling security from it. Womens sexualities aren't all physical like mens tend to be. What's really more shallow? Liking a person because of their body or liking a person for their ambition, per…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 05:44 AM
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I see it. I just think it's weird that someone would think like that. I can't wrap my head around the idea of dating someone for their resources. It's the opposite of real love.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 10:26 PM
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I've really never understood preferences based on wealth, status, or achievement. It's very common so I don't know if it counts as "weird", but it's always seemed very strange to me and missing the point. Preferences around unhealthy body composition is another strange one, be it unreasonably skinny or obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 09:34 PM
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Totally. There's no value judgement in what I'm saying, and anyone can find or not find meaning in whatever they please. It's just that meaninglessness is one of the best paths to misery. I do understand that you probably think I'm missing the point and over philosophizing a very real and valid concern for people. And I totally get why it would look like that! But these things are much more related than they may seem. And ultimately, the point I'm making is that we don't have all the answers and…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 03:05 PM
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Exactly. "Wtf is the point" IS the point. Nihilism is a dead end. It goes nowhere and means nothing. Absurdism is like nihilism's cousin. They were both philosophical incels, but absurdism got off the couch and did something about it. It's about finding meaning in the meaninglessness of it. Accept that life is a dark comedy and we're the butt monkeys of the joke. Sometimes we get a banana. Usually it's a butt banana. And that's pretty funny lol. But sometimes, every now and then, it's a normal b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 02:41 PM
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We must imagine Sisyphus happy. Are you familiar with absurdism?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/25 02:26 PM
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Hey, you're good people. It's refreshing to see. Keep being awesome ☺️
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 01:15 AM
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Big vibes, brother. Fight the good fight and stay safe out there.
/r/MensRights03/01/25 12:46 AM
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Thank you! I've been saying this for years but nobody seems to understand. r/leftwingmaleadvocates exists for a reason, and it's kind of unfortunate that this has been turned into left v right when it's anything but. We really need a whole new paradigm to understand these kinds of issues.
/r/MensRights02/01/25 02:29 PM
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Are you trolling? Or do you actually not understand the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 09:35 PM
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Not really, not for most people, certainly not for most men. It's the way they're wired. A good social support network can mitigate this, but less so for men, and that's before considering that men generally don't have that so much to begin with. In essence, men biologically feel this problem more, and also have fewer means of mitigating it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 09:33 PM
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They can create spaces/communities outside of relationships to support each other That's what they do. This is the so called "manosphere" and red pill communities. The same ones many women want shut down. It should come as no surprise that the people who seek out such communities are exactly the people who do not get such support elsewhere in their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 09:29 PM
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Have you noticed whenever a man speaks up about sexual assault it’s always other men degrading him and generally women consoling him. No. Because it's not the case. And ffs, read the room.
/r/MensRights28/12/24 11:22 AM
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I think we both know the answer to that unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 01:50 PM
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Great question. It makes me think of another. Why do women eat food? They're always complaining about how hard it is to lose weight, so why don't they just stop eating food altogether?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 01:43 PM
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I've stupidly stayed in abusive relationships far longer than any bright man would. So this isn't coming from a place of superiority. But my guy. How could you see all that happening before hand and still tag in for that hell in a cell?
/r/MensRights19/12/24 01:20 PM
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Are you reading both images? On the first screenshot, she says "I just didn't like the idea of splitting the bill". He responds "Why? It was ur idea", and she says "I didn't think you would actually do it." That indicates that she proposed they split the bill, expecting him to refuse and insist on paying it himself, and she was upset that he went along with her suggestion. In what way is that materially or substantively different?
/r/MensRights14/12/24 09:36 PM
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Are you capable of articulating exactly what you think you're demonstrating here? Because as far as I can see, you're just linking to the post where what this person describes is literally what happened.
/r/MensRights14/12/24 09:29 PM
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For real. He even keeps claiming that he speaks for men, that most men agree with him. Despite everyone here telling him he's full of crap. He's just a delusional kid who hasn't even had a relationship yet, has no experience to speak from or context in which to place concepts like "abuse". Honestly I think that's a huge part of the rep you speak of. You can't see who the other person is online, so you default to weighing their opinions as if they're spoken by another adult. Which can easily give…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/24 01:58 AM
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Because the only time society at large deems it acceptable to talk about men being the victims is when other men are also the perpetrator. It would be more productive to teach men how to behave better to other men. Your premise is wrong. You seem to be speaking from the same conceptual framework that likes to say "men hold the power". You commit a category error in thinking that 50% of the population could be or need to be "taught" something. It doesn't work like that just like you couldn't and …
/r/MensRights08/12/24 10:46 PM
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Yeah, there's a reason all the men here are also perplexed by OP lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 03:35 PM
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I wasn't insulting you. There's nothing wrong or demeaning about being autistic. I was asking genuinely so I could understand why you're having trouble understanding something that seems so obvious to me. It was my attempt to humanize you and be sensitive to your struggles. You're attempting to use 2 fallacies here. One is called the semantic fallacy, in which you try to use pedantic interpretations of a definition to dismiss an argument. The other is appeal to authority. You're sourcing some bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 01:23 PM
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I'm curious why you think this serves your argument, and why you seem to be unfamiliar with conceptual synonyms. Genuine question just to help me place how I should respond, but are you autistic? I find people on the spectrum struggle to understand matters like this. In any case, let's pretend you're correct here. It's still not abuse dude. As I said in another comment, would you call vacuuming the carpet abuse? Of course not. But if someone vacuumed multiple times a day in the middle of the nig…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 12:54 PM
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... That's nitpicking. Annoyingly finding fault. The fact that Merriam Webster doesn't use the word "request" doesn't mean I have the wrong definition lol. And going by their definition - which describes the same thing I did - it's still not abuse, my dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 12:34 PM
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An abusive person can do anything in excess to abuse. Is vacuuming the carpet abusive? Of course not. But if someone did it 5 times a day every day while you're sleeping just to prevent you from getting sleep, well now it is. Just because an abusive person can do something to abuse doesn't mean that thing is abusive on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 11:40 AM
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Nit-picking, requesting someone do or not do something. It can be annoying. But it in itself is far from abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 11:34 AM
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As we know, men are more likely to physically abuse their SO That's not true at all. 70% of non-reciprocated domestic violence is done by women. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/ ... That being said... Your argument is bollocks, dude. Nagging isn't abuse. C'mon. As someone who's been abused plenty, let's not water down the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/24 04:29 AM
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My pleasure, friend. And yeah, I would agree with your premises here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:25 PM
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You mean to say "heuristic", not proxy. Not saying your argument is true or false, just trying to help you make it stronger. To engage in your argument: People have always used heuristics. Not just for dating, but for everything. It's how our brains are wired. I think your argument is better framed to say that the threshold of people's exclusionary heuristics in dating have lowered because of the illusion of availability, with a commensurate increase in positive heuristics. I.e. The floor is low…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 01:30 PM
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No. They're set up by groups of people that happen to have more males than females. Saying they're "set up by men" is what's called the apex fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:22 PM
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I'm not? Where are you getting that I'm pissed at women? Why do you keep throwing these wild accusations at me?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:55 AM
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Wow. Really came out swinging, huh? A. I can't do that because your framework is inaccurate. As I said, it's not men or women who set up systems. 99% of both men and women have no meaningful individual power over these systems. You're operating from a conceptual framework that seeks to hold 99% of a given group responsible for the actions of 1% of people who happen to share a characteristic with them. To do so precludes a deeper understanding. B. I'm not angry. I'm not the person you were talkin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:37 AM
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set up by women This is a red herring and weakens your point. Systems are not set up "by women" or "by men". They're set up by people in power, and the gender of those individuals is not reflective or representative of women or men. I say this to try to help you construct a stronger argument. The question "What system issues exist to oppress men" is a much stronger question without adding "set up by women".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 02:27 AM
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More than 90% of prisoners are men. Are you not aware of the biases in the criminal justice system?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 06:28 PM
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? I understand those are different points lol. That's why I said it's a combination.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:55 AM
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Ah okay, good points. A combination of intimidation, bad experiences, and looking for someone with long term potential that they aren't attracted to now but might be in the future. 'Preciate your insight!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:33 AM
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Ah you might be right, I didn't even think about that. Makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:29 AM
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I respect that you framed this equitably, without bias to one sex or the other. I appreciate people like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:22 AM
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Do you have any insight into why women message men they view as below average more often than the ones they think are above? To be clear I'm not asking rhetorically to make a point, I'm genuinely curious lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:09 AM
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... You having a bad day, brother? Edit: Nvm, I think maybe I was reading a tone there you didn't intend
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/24 10:27 PM
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I get you. We're cut from similar cloth. It wasn't intended as criticism, but simply well-meaning advice from someone with a penchant for poetic sophistry and analytical diatribes, which go misunderstood far more than I would like. 🙏
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/24 06:49 PM
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Hey brother. Love your post and you make excellent points. I like how you seek to address these concerns philosophically rather than politically, and I think that's an important path forward. However I think your points would be better received with a bit more precision and concision, and I suspect your words don't speak to as broad an audience as you would like.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/24 05:11 PM
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To me, it's about egalitarianism being the core focus. I believe identity politics is a fundamentally right wing ideologically, one that many people on the left have unfortunately co-opted in recent years. I define identity politics as messaging focused on certain identity groups instead of people as a whole. That includes feminism as well as male chauvinism, white supremacy, etc. It includes broader narratives, including the zeitgeist surrounding feminism and men's rights. I think the way forwa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 11:01 PM
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I like you. Keep encouraging and engaging in thoughtful, good faith discourse, friend.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/24 07:13 PM
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On one hand, I think this concern is not overly warranted, as a person could just as easily fake physical abuse of other kinds, by hitting or cutting themselves, etc. It would be fucked up no matter what form lying takes. But on the other hand, I can relate with this concern in a different way. I'm... Problematically large. I know that sounds like a humble brag, but there's no way to say it that doesn't. It's genuinely not something someone should want, and every partner thus far has expressed t…
/r/MensRights11/11/24 06:34 PM
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I'm not sure this is as illustrative as some people are making it out to be. Propensity to risk taking behaviors is associated with higher testosterone, not lower.
/r/MensRights08/11/24 02:09 PM
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I understand the principle behind your feelings and I can relate to it. But I'd like to play devil's advocate and ask some questions here because I think your conclusion isn't fully supported by your premises. > Voting should be reserved for very select things, and only allowed to very select voters. Who decides what select voters and what select things? Why do they get to decide them, and how do we know we can or should trust their judgment? What gives them more authority to make difficult deci…
/r/MensRights07/11/24 04:26 AM
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Absolutely
/r/MensRights07/11/24 04:11 AM
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Did you reply and delete your comment?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 01:51 AM
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Said without any hint of awareness or irony
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 01:37 AM
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You could just use words my dude. I hope you don't expect me to watch a 43 minute YouTube video.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 10:41 PM
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No they weren't. Wait, are you basing that on their name being "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei"? You realize that bad actors like to name things strategically, right? Democratic People's Republic of Korea ring a bell?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 10:31 PM
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I appreciate your open mind and willingness to explore different mindsets. Feminism has unfortunately done a great job of marketing itself as something it's not, and I suspect a fair amount of people who call themselves feminists are actually egalitarians looking for a home. I dream of there someday being a unified egalitarian movement that doesn't advocate for only one sex, race, orientation, etc.
/r/MensRights13/10/24 11:57 PM
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Eh... Have you seen the UK lately?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/24 11:44 PM
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I think you may need to define "chasing" and how it is different from pursuing, initiating, etc. The distinction makes what you're saying either nonsense or obvious common sense everyone should already agree with, depending on how you're using it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:22 PM
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I better see 4k video evidence with you fighting for your life. Come on brother, we don't need to resort to hyperbole. That makes us no better than them, and only gives them ammo.
/r/MensRights10/10/24 01:41 AM
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Ethanol?
/r/MensRights10/10/24 01:38 AM
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Update tomorrow please
/r/MensRights09/10/24 08:13 PM
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Good point. I didn't realize OP was the spokesperson of 4 billion people, but since he can apparently change your mindset and opinion of them, he clearly must be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:30 PM
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Is your need to be a victim so strong that you can't accept that the people being killed, maimed, and permanently traumatized by war are the primary victims of war? To try to wrestle that away from them is the height of entitlement.
/r/MensRights03/10/24 12:58 PM
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That's so wrong it would be comical if not sad. Actually women are the perpetrators in 70% of heterosexual domestic violence. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/
/r/MensRights29/09/24 06:10 PM
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I'm a pretty intuitive guy. I can see when there's an issue, some vague emotional tension that's unresolved. And so I ask. "I'm fine." "Are you sure? Because I can tell there's something on your mind." "I said I'm fine." So I back off and give space. Turns out, she was not fine. I've had 8 serious long term relationships, and this has been my experience in about 6 of them. In 3 of those six, I tried to circumvent this by gently insisting that I would like to talk about whatever is on their mind,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:17 AM
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My pleasure. Have a pleasant evening.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 01:11 AM
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I won't pretend to have a solid answer to that. I think it depends on a few factors, such as culture, how the question is asked, and how one defines terms such as "rape", "force", "consent", etc. Using what seems (to me) to be common sense definitions, and in a place like the US? I might reckon 5%. Maybe 10%. Using loose definitions and considering a place such as India? I wouldn't be surprised to see a figure even higher than 30%. Using the "any level of inebriation is rape" definition that som…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 01:06 AM
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who felt as though phrasing like "teach men not to rape" was condescending, but percievd tone aside It's not just that it's condescending. It's not just the tone. It's that it is predicated on patently false and facile premises. We could "teach" that all day, every day, in every form and format, and it's not going to make a meaningful dent in actual issues. It misses the point, and is arguably dangerous in a sense. Because the more it gets bandied around like it means anything, the less able we …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 12:47 AM
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It's controlled opposition.
/r/MensRights12/09/24 12:25 AM
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Yep. A lot of us can relate to being suddenly left by the people we poured love and support and the best years of our life into. 80% of divorces are initiated by women, after all. Look, you're clearly bitter and angry and you're taking it out on someone who didn't hurt you. I sympathize with you, I truly do. I won't pretend to know your entire situation and individual battles, but I do know what you're going through in this respect and it sucks. You deserve unconditional love and unending loyalt…
/r/MensRights12/09/24 12:22 AM
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🙏 You're good people. I really wish more people, of all types, saw things the same. It's the same reason I don't call myself a men's rights activist. Even though I believe they are doing good work and far less tribalistic than feminism, it's still a movement primarily for one group, and so can never achieve the end goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 06:08 PM
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Those were simpler times. I would distinguish between the "everyone is a special snowflake" equality and "Oh you're male/female/gay/straight/white/black/whatever? Ok cool I really don't care" equality. But either are better than the Animal Farm equality we have today.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 09:38 PM
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What about feminism do you stand against as a leftist? I'm not the person you're asking this to, but I suspect their answer would be similar to mine. For me, it's because it's fundamentally anti-egalitarian. I'm strongly in favor of equality and believe it cannot be achieved by advocating for individual identity groups. I do believe it can be a potentially useful technique in the short term, and if it's an extremely wide gap, to begin to lessen the gap. But it's short-sighted and only results in…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 09:17 PM
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This is so unrelatable lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 02:15 PM
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It was probably a typo for "competent", I suspect
/r/MensRights03/09/24 07:44 PM
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What the person you're taking to is saying is less about whether you asked them, and more about the social carrots and sticks regarding the topic. Essentially that they were confronted with "dating is really hard for men", and have to respond in some way. Either by agreeing with that, and losing face in front of their partners, or taking the opportunity to disagree and seem like a more valuable catch. So just by virtue of you broaching the topic, they were incentivized to say what they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 09:14 PM
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And also abuse them more (atleast physically, Actually that's a common misunderstanding. In heterosexual relationships, 70% of domestic violence is done by women to men. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 12:00 AM
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That's both baseless and very tangential to what they were actually talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 09:05 PM
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I doubt it. I don't know the grounds on which to claim damages, and it would hardly be a drop in the bucket anyways.
/r/MensRights26/08/24 08:03 AM
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It doesn't break TOS I'm not even kidding. It's against the rules to use hate speech against "marginalized groups". All is fair against men. People here have tried reporting stuff like this, and are always told misandry doesn't break TOS, no matter how extreme. We're not even people, dude.
/r/MensRights26/08/24 12:29 AM
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For your own sanity, I implore you to reconsider.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/24 09:35 PM
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How dare he forget that he is first and foremost a tool for her? Now he's getting all uppity, after selfishly ignoring *her needs* for 3 years. Her need to have a happy, healthy, attractive husband. And she probably did all the housework and raised the kids all by herself, all while bravely allowing that... *thing* to even sleep in the same bed as her. I bet he even played video games at some point. He's lucky she didn't leave with the kids already. Red flags, toxic gaslighting, you have a *husb…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/24 09:34 PM
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I suppose we do
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 04:50 AM
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That was the premise of the humor. Jerry was the butt of the joke, because it was ridiculous. It wasn't a jab at women, but at capricious pickiness. Which is the trait that is gross about people who get "the ick". Which is something you basically don't see guys expressing in sincerity, beyond outliers. That's what people's point is, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 09:14 PM
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Good on ya for that, it's a sentiment not often expressed, beyond platitudes anyways, and I appreciate it when I see it. I personally think we (people as a whole) do a disservice to both sexes by talking about these types of things in gendered frameworks, whether it's men or women more often the victim. I think advocating for/against one group, even in the name of equality, only pushes the pendulum and increases division. When we should be focused on treating all humans with equal dignity regard…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 10:52 PM
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I realize I was remiss to not give you a link to the relevant study for further reading. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/ There are some other studies with similar findings, but this was the one I was most alluding to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 09:47 PM
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Okay fair enough, I appreciate your honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 09:25 PM
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insecure women turn violence inward as self-harm because it's not feminine to be outwardly violent How would you say this vibes with the data showing that the large majority of non-reciprocated domestic violence is by women against men? I do agree that what you're saying is the conventional wisdom of the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 09:08 PM
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Ugh. I don't know why I continue to engage in this sub, I only ever find people who don't understand logic or debate. Listen. I'm not talking about the validity of your experience. I'm not arguing with you about it at all. It doesn't matter that I wasn't there because your experience is your experience. It's literally just what you personally experienced. And you are a sample size of 1. Your experience is not reflective of male mindsets broadly, hence why all the guys here are saying that. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:11 PM
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What? I never said otherwise. I just said that your experience is not reflective of any broader fact. You would be inaccurate if you tried to apply what you think you learned from your experience broadly, because men simply don't act or react that way, on the whole. Doesn't mean your experience wasn't valid in isolation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 04:15 AM
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That's your singular personal experience. Many actual men here are telling you that it isn't the case broadly speaking. It could be the way you approached, it could be the circumstances, it could be you just approached assholes, or it could be that you simply experienced what men are expected to normally. Rejection. Rejection sucks. It can feel like hostility. You have the right to not approach of course, I'm not arguing that you must. But don't believe that your experiences are explained by "me…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 11:25 PM
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May I ask why it is exactly you came to the assumptions you did? Honestly I can't even imagine a guy having that sort of inner monologue you described, it's simply antithetical to how our minds work. I'm generalizing of course but my point is that guys reading this find it humorous because of how wildly wrong it is. It's not just wrong, it's wrong in such an amusing direction that it's almost difficult to confront in seriousness. It would be like having to seriously debate someone over whether t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 11:18 PM
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The Third Reich must have empathy for Jews.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 11:58 PM
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Intelligence is a human trait. Not even just human, for that matter. All sorts of creatures demonstrate it. It's silly and just wrong to say it's a feminine (or masculine) trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 06:33 PM
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Alright man, I was just trying to be helpful is all
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:49 PM
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Woah, what? I'm just trying to help 2 strangers having a miscommunication lol. I'm not talking about anyone facilitating anyone else getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:36 PM
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I see what's happening. You and the person you're taking to are getting your contexts mixed up. The argument they're trying to make is that the women giving advice or talking about dating friends vs strangers flirting are the ones downplaying the importance of attraction within those contexts, not that women in general are. Reading down thread I think you guys have gotten lost in the weeds a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 01:20 PM
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I don't have a babymama, nor trust issues. The problem is that you are fundamentally missing the point, and have framed it to be about trust or cowardice. Look, do you want to understand the other side, or just want to be "right"? It seems you have emotional investment in the topic. It's not about me or any other individual. It's about a societal dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 04:47 PM
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Do you like having roads? Police departments? Fire departments? Would you prefer those are funded privately? I'm sure you'll make the argument that those are different, but now we're talking different by degree, not category. Medical care should be a basic human right. How would you feel if your partner asked to do a paternity test? I've seen many here say they would immediately leave them for that, for not trusting them. And therein lies the issue. It's a nonstarter for so many women. If having…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 12:50 AM
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You're both massively downplaying the many complications men face - most of which you likely don't even realize - and massively exaggerating the whole shaving thing. Nobody expects or even wants you to be completely hairless on your entire body. Pits and legs? Yeah maybe. Pubes, possibly. That's about it. I've never dated someone who shaved their face and arms and chest and back and stomach and everywhere else. I would think they had a mental illness if they did. And they certainly didn't shave …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 03:34 AM
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With all due respect, if you think shaving and putting on makeup are such impositions as to make dating unfair *for women*, you really have no clue what the male experience of dating is like. That argument is like white folks in the 1950's complaining that blacks have everything so easy because they don't have to wear sunscreen. That's not to minimize the civil rights movement, but just to illustrate how lacking in perspective this take is regarding what it's like to date as a man. Or if you don…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 12:49 AM
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Honestly, I don't know how you would have expected anything less. I think they've been explicitly clear in showing their character for a very long time. I don't say this as a dig against you, but you're asking to not be alienated from a movement that categorically doesn't care about you. *At best* doesn't care, and very often worse than that. You also make the mistake of believing they are egalitarian, when by definition they are not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/24 04:31 AM
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This is a pro-feminist community. It's in their rules. I'm pretty sure it's controlled opposition.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/24 12:23 AM
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I think you misunderstand egalitarianism and the nature of equality. We are all equal in value. We are not all equal in capacity. Those are entirely different concepts, and unfortunately the conversation around equality is so often sabotaged by people conflating the two (I'm not accusing you of intentionally conflating them). from each according to their ability to each according to their needs I'm sure you do realize that your quote is from Karl Marx, yes? It is a central tenet of his philosoph…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/24 04:25 AM
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Hey man. I may be reading too much into this, or perhaps even projecting some subconscious feelings of my own. But I get the feeling that you have been made to feel inferior by virtue of your station in life, be it by specific people or just by society broadly. And I hope it doesn't come across as patronizing when I say that I can tell you're more intelligent and rational-minded than the vast majority of people who may otherwise think themselves superior for their academic or vocational achievem…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/24 10:27 PM
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Here's my take. Say we start a movement called Masculinism. And we insist it's purely about equality. How many people are going to be convinced of that? Any movement that seeks to achieve equality by pushing the pendulum is inherently flawed. It begets further pendulum-pushing. and completely ignores the crux of the issue that men and women (or whites/blacks, gays/straights, whatever) can suffer from inequalities in some contexts and privilege in other respects The only way forward is to throw o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/24 02:25 PM
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I think there's an important distinction between the ideology itself and people who identify with it. I don't think it's at all inaccurate to call feminism - in its modern form - a misandrist ideology. But there are certainly well-intentioned people who ascribe to it. The problem is that we don't have any organized egalitarian movement. So egalitarians are left somewhat without a home, and some of us are going to gravitate to movements that purport to be such. I think your sister can be a good p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/24 02:16 PM
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Yeah maybe he's Pol Pot also. Or Jack the Ripper. Or or maybe he's the corporeal manifestation of Freddy Krueger. There's just so many possibilities, we can't know for sure. And it's a lot more fun to speculate on things we're imagining he could be than to charitably interpret his words in good faith as if he's a normal, reasonable human. Wait... You're not Pol Pot, are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 04:34 PM
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Hey man. Would you like to talk? It doesn't have to be about this stuff. But it can be. I've been through a lot, and I talk to others who have as well. You've got some wounds you've been carrying a long time, scars that need to be witnessed so they can begin to heal. But we could just shoot the shit instead, up to you. Just want you to know that despite that visceral, cold feeling of isolation and hopelessness you feel in your chest, that you aren't alone and aren't invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 10:13 PM
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You know what lol. "How to treat women as people and how to recognize their male privilege and toxic masculinity. Only through this can we exceed gender parity and have true equality."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/24 12:43 AM
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"Jordan Person DESTROYS pathetic woke leftists."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/24 05:04 PM
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"People like Andrew Tate only exist because of how acceptable misogyny is in society. We need to do a better job educating boys if we're ever going to start tackling misogyny." That's literally what they think. The very notion that they're the ones causing this is incompatible with their world views.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/24 05:01 PM
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I totally sympathize. I can't stand the ignorant mindsets society shoves down our throats that objectify people. I always get a disappointed chuckle when I occasionally see people (not referring to anyone specific) in these pro-men's spaces (rightfully) talking about how society dehumanizes men, and then in the very next breath, reduce people to the sum of their productive output. Completely oblivious to the irony. Systemic misandry marches side by side with that weird toxic productivity grindse…
/r/MensRights09/06/24 12:23 AM
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It's totally possible I'm an idiot or missing something obvious lol. 🙏 But all I'm seeing is that the context of equality they were talking about was equality of value. Knackwurst said "And yet held to be true in every culture for every conceivable meaning of "valuable".” , OP said "women are not more valuable", and you said "you believe in the rhetoric that "All people are equal". They aren't." and then started taking about capability rather than value. Am I just missing something?
/r/MensRights08/06/24 06:27 PM
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and asserted your own, which is not the one that I used, making yours incorrect. ... That's literally what you did, man. That's what I was saying to you. The other person was using it in one context, and you were like "well actually..." And started taking about the other context. You assumed your own definition.
/r/MensRights08/06/24 06:06 PM
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I think the problem here is you believe in the rhetoric that "All people are equal". They aren't. You're incorrect, and falling prey to either a semantic or conceptual misunderstanding. All people are equal. In value. Not all people are equal in capability. The notion of capability has no place in discussions of human value. It muddies the water, and implies a utilitarian mindset whereby people are only worth what they provide. Which is the very thing that has been foisted upon men and led to th…
/r/MensRights08/06/24 04:32 PM
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Imagine if that hypothetical man was asking the question. "I'm old and lonely, what should I do?" Do you think the top answer would be "Find an attractive and financially vulnerable younger woman who is afraid for her future"?
/r/MensRights02/06/24 05:01 PM
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Beautifully said. And the same applies to women, to every race, LGBT, and any other "group". The day we can collectively see people as individuals instead of as some social identity group is the day all bigotry and most hate ends. And you're right, we won't get there making the easiest choices in life. It warms my heart when I see people like you choosing the right way instead of the easy way. ♥️🙏
/r/MensRights23/05/24 12:03 AM
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You seem like good people. Like you recognize that men are human and worthy of not being generalized by the worst of a gender, or being held to disadvantage just by virtue of existing. That alone is really all it takes. Keep being awesome ♥️
/r/MensRights22/05/24 08:34 PM
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I think the fact that about 1/3 would pick bear is itself remarkable, in the opposite direction from the point you're making. Even considering the factors you mention, that's just wild.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/24 07:46 PM
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Yeah, those darn 30 somethings didn't have the internet or dating sites 5 to 10 years ago. Wait yeah they did lol What you're saying is true for boomers and most of Gen X though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 12:11 AM
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This is a crazy person thing, not a liberal thing. Don't poison your mind with tribalism, my friend.
/r/MensRights22/05/24 12:05 AM
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I appreciate you sharing this. You seem like a very mature, open minded, and kind person. I'm sorry for the struggles you've gone through with your disability. For what it's worth, it seems like those struggles may have made you a stronger, healthier person in the ways that actually count, in ways that many able-bodied people cannot keep up with, as your post demonstrates. Keep being awesome!
/r/MensRights30/01/24 08:54 PM
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So when male characters are overpowered and women are portrayed as ditzy, boy crazy, bimbos, I assume I'll be able to find a lot of threads here complaining about that? Specifically this sub? No, probably not. Because that wouldn't come up much. The topic underpinning the phenomenon is what people in this sub are discussing, and the media aspect is an example of that. You're caught up in the surface and not seeing the subtext, man. Again, men have real actual problems in this world. I don't care…
/r/MensRights15/11/23 03:48 AM
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You're either misunderstanding or mischaracterizing what people's issue actually is. Nobody sane has a problem with female leads. It's poorly written Mary Sue characters, male characters written to be insultingly stupid and incompetent, patronizing and pandering, and an utter inability to understand what actual strength looks like that makes people hate these movies. Women deserve far better role models than this. People of both sexes do. If it was just female leads, people would be hating on Ri…
/r/MensRights14/11/23 08:53 PM
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Nah it's just a comment I made. It's not that deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 05:36 AM
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Wow you're right. I never knew the solution to complex psychological and sociological issues compounded by the myriad unique and personal complications people have is to just go sit at the bar and drink beer. I used to think Barney from the Simpsons was just a drunkard loser, but now I see that he was actually exploring his aspirations and emotions and values and discovering true self-actualization at the bottom of those bottles.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 10:49 PM
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"It's not that deep" almost always means "don't talk about or question what I'm talking about or questioning." The only time I think that really works is when it's an offhand joke that someone didn't mean anything by. This guy clearly means a lot by it. He has weirdly strong opinions about people who are doing him no harm. He might not be a deep thinker, but the sentiment is certainly deeply rooted lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 10:42 PM
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I have nothing but contempt and disgust for people who struggle and choose to wallow in filth rather than make something of their lives. "Choose." This is the problem I'm talking about. You're viewing a situation you don't understand and passing judgment on it from ignorance. You believe people are choosing to be struggling. You base this on the premise that "it's easy to do X", without taking into account that it's easy for you to do X, under your current conditions. I can guarantee that the ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 10:39 PM
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Right? I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 10:28 PM
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Who is spreading misery? Since when were we talking about trolls or misogynists or whatever person you're imagining? The conversation is about people with small social circles who are struggling to meet others. Why demonize people for being lonely?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 10:27 PM
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I'm saying that you speak of these people like they shit in your corn flakes. I'll never understand how a person can hold such disdain for others who aren't harming anyone, and especially when that disdain is focused on how someone is struggling. It's the kind of mentality behind those people who will spit on a homeless person and scream "get a job, lazy bum!", when they aren't even panhandling, just existing. We're all on our own paths, man. There's going to be things you're better at than othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 08:35 PM
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Shh it'll be okay. These hypothetical struggling people can't hurt you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 07:58 PM
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Man, unfortunate typo in your title. But yes, it's easily refuted. You can find studies showing this in a few seconds on Google.
/r/MensRights12/10/23 06:53 PM
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You make a great point. Just not the point you're trying to make.
/r/MensRights10/10/23 08:46 PM
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Egalitarianism is at best an aspiration All ideas are aspirations. To do anything, we must aspire. And if we're going to aspire, we ought to aspire in the right direction. If you're calling it merely an aspiration because it cannot be perfectly practiced with perfect precision in a practical world, then I would argue exactly zero philosophies, or even ideas, pass your test. Nothing in your life is the platonic ideal of that thing. never at any point is it intrinsically valuable Is anything intri…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 10:15 PM
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Well yeah? We also have no idea if she's actually a Russian spy or a serial killer or a cult leader or any number of things lol. What we have is her account, so anything we can say on the subject has to be within the context of that. Within that context, she had a douche bf and a good bf. One happened to be ugly and the other was not. That's just as likely as the other way around. I honestly don't get the skepticism, her experience isn't a statement about ugly people in general. Though her "I hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 08:04 PM
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Feminism is not egalitarianism. I'm assuming you're confusing the two. Nobody is or can actually be an egalitarian. That's just demonstrably false. I can't even imagine where you got that idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 07:57 PM
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Thank you, I appreciate the link! I'm curious where you got the 6'3-6'5 figure. According to the study you linked, the mean preferred height for men is 179-180 cm across the cultures studied, which is about 5'10" and a half to 5'11". Which is actually a little less than I thought. My apologies if I missed something.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 01:51 PM
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3+ is a high count now? Man, what a time to be alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 01:11 PM
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I'm pretty sure that only applies when making assumptions about people. She literally said one of them was manipulative and cheated on her, and the other didn't lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 01:10 PM
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I'd love to see a link to that study you're referencing, if you can find it. My understanding is that the most "preferred" height is typically considered 6 foot. Given that average female height is 5'4", this would track with your 8 inches figure. Perhaps you got your numbers mixed around and/or forgot there's 12 inches to a foot.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 01:06 PM
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You're absolutely correct. But the cure for this isn't to sink to their level. It's to be the change we want to see. Egalitarianism is the way out of this gender war bullshit. I understand your frustration, but we shouldn't mud wrestle with pigs. We both get dirty, and the pig likes it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:55 PM
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I'm pretty sure an ordered relationship with food precludes becoming unhealthy. Staying healthy is not a bad thing. What a strange take.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 12:51 PM
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Yep, exactly. The root behind nearly every toxic ideology, sexism, racism, homophobia, bigotry, tribalism, etc, is purely the mental framework to see people in terms of class membership rather than as individual humans, and to let that inform your decision making. I think the only way out of the gender war, identity politics, victimhood olympics hellscape we've created is to fight against that class membership framework as a whole.
/r/MensRights17/09/23 03:19 PM
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Kudos to you for being sure to frame it as the thoughts/actions of a specific person. I see far too often people over generalize while speaking in absolutes. "Women think X", "men do Y", etc. I wish more people exercised your precision of speech.
/r/MensRights17/09/23 02:08 PM
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Sorry, got bo Sorry, I stopped reading after this. I don't know what bo is but cool story. Try to wrap it up faster next time though.
/r/MensRights17/09/23 01:32 PM
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Because dumb shit I WAS ALREADY ALIVE. You know, that thing I literally said in the comment you're replying to? I get it, it's hard to read between the lines and imagine things especially abstract concepts on the internet How the fuck is my mom having more dates going to make me not alive when I was born more than 20 years ago? How the fuck can you call me dumb shit when you didn't even understand a word of what I said? Look in a mirror, comb your broccoli head hair, and give me my damn delta cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:02 PM
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If tinder existed 20 years ago ,most of us wouldn't exist today. Okay so, let's just ignore for a second how bad your argument is, and focus on your claim. Most of us wouldn't exist if tinder existed 20 years ago? I get that you might be a child, but most people are not children. Most people were born more than 20 years ago, including most people in this sub. How would tinder being created result in someone already alive going back in time and not being born? Your claim is clearly and demonstrab…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 08:26 PM
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Tangential and well-intentioned corrective here, I don't think egalitarian is "on the fence". It's not between 2 sides of the same coin. It's a different coin. (That said I don't think MRA is truly equivalent to feminism, but that's a whole other topic so for the sake of discussion let's go with your premise) Despite my rather strong negative feelings about modern feminism, I do believe a fair amount - perhaps a substantial minority - of feminists are actually egalitarians without a home. I thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 01:03 AM
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Egalitarian is best -itarian
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 12:46 AM
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I'm sorry you're going through this. You're not alone. Hang in there, friend.
/r/MensRights10/09/23 05:35 PM
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I'm pretty sure he's saying he would like a more equitable distribution of choice/agency/leverage (however you want to interpret it). Not that women shouldn't be able to choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 05:14 PM
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If I'm understanding you correctly, it feels like you're looking for a gender based, consummate theory to explain specifically male-on-gay male violence. And I don't believe one exists with any solid foundation. Not everything can be explained under these terms. The fact is, some people want to hurt others. That's a universal fact we have to accept. That doesn't mean that we as a society have to accept that behavior. Doesn't mean we have to like it or tolerate it. And it doesn't mean we can't lo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/23 08:42 PM
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Evil and homophobic people exist independent of feminism. Two things can be true at the same time. We can acknowledge an ideology's role in the worsening of society without blaming that ideology for every unrelated interaction between people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/23 06:02 PM
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You're very welcome ♥️ Yikes, it definitely sounds like you could use a vacation if you're looking forward to a dentist appointment 3 months from now! And yeah, I totally agree. Nobody's opinion or ideas is less valid simply by virtue of their sex. We need to welcome all good-faith thoughts here, whether we agree with them or not. Sunshine is the best disinfectant, and a constructive dialogue is vital to not turn into an echo chamber. I'm sorry about your endo and experiences in healthcare, I ho…
/r/MensRights02/09/23 07:27 PM
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Oof I feel that. And no problem, I just saw that you were at -5 when I commented, and I really hate when people use the downvote button on reasonable comments as a "I disagree/don't like this" button, without even engaging the person. It's wrong when feminists (or anyone else) do that crap, and it's just as wrong for us to do it. And honestly you worded it fine
/r/MensRights02/09/23 05:08 PM
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I think you accidentally responded in the wrong post, my dude
/r/MensRights02/09/23 03:12 PM
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Guys let's stop downvoting this comment please. Yeah her examples weren't particularly great arguments, but she's not really making or defending an argument, just answering the question. It's not her fault that there isn't a lot of great examples to speak of other than historical and Middle Eastern contexts, and she did acknowledge the flip side of it as well. That's a good comment that answers OP's question about as well as anyone could ask.
/r/MensRights02/09/23 01:18 PM
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an average man that doesn’t bring anything to the table An average woman would absolutely partner with an average man who meets her expectations/standards. Here's the slight of hand. You're saying "an average man" and then dividing it by women's expectations. If an average person doesn't meet someone's expectations, they expect more than average. That's what average means. You can't no-true-scotsman the definition of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 04:31 PM
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😂 Great satire, for a second I thought you were actually serious
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 03:47 PM
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Np, happens to the best of us
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 02:47 AM
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Just heads up, I think you meant to say "A". None of your comment makes sense if you prefer B lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 01:37 AM
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You mistake understanding for caring, I'm afraid
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/23 09:40 PM
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The narcissist's mantra, I've heard it called.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/23 08:08 PM
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Use paragraph breaks, my friend. They will serve you well. In my experience, these kind of people usually don't technically deny that misandry exists. Rather, they either dismiss it as insignificant or have the attitude of "good, now men get to see what it's like. In a few dozen centuries of it we'll be even." Or they'll say "misandry just hurts feelings, misogyny kills." It's a sisyphean feat to get them to see people as individuals and egalitarianism as the way forward. Pearls before swine, an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/23 07:37 PM
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Weight has been used as a way to dehumanize people in a way that height has not You sure about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:35 PM
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Tbf, "the vast majority" is not all women. I agree that most women have height preferences, but you said "all" and the other person rightly said that's incorrect lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:31 PM
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If it makes you feel any better, I'm in this dating culture and it is still just as mind boggling to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 05:43 PM
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You said The protection of a stranger's feelings will never take precedence over my personal safety. That implies a relationship between the two. That caring about someone's feelings comes at the cost of safety. If you said that in error, I understand. But if what you're saying is that being rude doesn't make you safer, then your safety is irrelevant to the topic. Not that it's not also important, but that it has no relationship. It seems your motivation for being rude would be better phrased "b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 05:01 PM
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You're still making my question something it's not. I'm not talking about expectations or your interests. I'm not making some political/gender-war statement. My flair is "no pill" for a reason. I was expressing curiosity of and interest in your beliefs. It appears you believe that being rude to men who try to talk to you keeps you safe, or more safe than just a neutral, polite stance. My question was just literally by what mechanism does that work. There will always be people who are mean, even …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 04:26 PM
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Women can act stupid too. Neither sex has a monopoly on idiocy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 03:33 PM
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Thank you for this answer, and for providing a source for further reading. I appreciate you taking my question seriously. My intuition is that there's a risk/reward calculation to be had here. I suspect that this might discourage low-level assholes who aren't committed to doing harm, but I do think it would encourage the rarer but truly dangerous folks just looking for an excuse to hurt someone. But perhaps de Becker addresses that aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 02:23 PM
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You misunderstand what I mean. It feels like you're inserting a connotation or tone that I'm not intending. What I'm asking is, in what way does that ensure your safety? I'm not a rapist/stalker/mugger/etc, so I can't speak for them. But just knowing human nature, I would think that would make you less safe. If I'm confronted by a guy that wishes me harm, and I don't feel I could win in a fight, de-escalation is the much safer choice
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 01:05 PM
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That's the same kind of attitude that got society into this state. Maybe the world would be better if people - men and women - treated each other like normal humans?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 12:11 PM
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Just curious because I've always been confused with this argument. Say there is someone who doesn't have your safety in mind. Do you believe treating them harshly or humiliating them would make it less likely they would do you harm? I get that you don't know the good from the bad. I don't get why that would compel you to encourage bad behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 12:08 PM
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OP is a girl
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 09:59 AM
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I agree, it's a vicious cycle. I don't think what I said fails to account for those experiences, I think it speaks to "where do we go from here?" I believe the issue at hand can be summed up as follows: Women do not want to be approached by people they aren't attracted to. Many women have experienced a bad actor acting aggressively. Many take that experience and apply it in the other 98% of cases with non bad actors, leading to them assuming bad intentions. Women generally want men to take the r…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:03 PM
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I'm pretty sure not wanting to be mocked, ridiculed, or labeled predatory simply for approaching is a fair and reasonable expectation, much more so than expecting someone to read your mind. You had to have thought this when you typed it out lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 04:21 PM
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"Why do you continue trying to be human instead of just accepting you will live and die alone?" Because that's the alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 04:10 PM
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You misunderstand my point. Getting 2 interested glances from attractive women at a single party would be the highlight of most guy's week or month, but you see it was an example of how little attention you got. My point with the boyfriend isn't just that you're not single, it's also that most people are going to be more mindful of checking someone out when that person's boyfriend is right there. I'm not saying you get hit on 24/7, and I agree that the reports of constant harassment and unwanted…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:53 PM
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Why do you censor random words like that? It makes it more difficult to read, and detracts from the seriousness of your message.
/r/MensRights03/08/23 01:22 PM
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You got "only" two interested glances from good looking men at a single party? While having a boyfriend? And this is the anecdote you choose to illustrate how invisible you think you are? You really don't even have a frame is reference for what it's like on the other side, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 12:06 AM
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I'm sure there's some truth in that too. People are not a monolith. But it still comes down to numbers. If you want to swim with the dolphins, go to the beach that is only 20% full of sharks, not 95% full of sharks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 08:41 PM
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I agree. I also like validation. Guys absolutely would seek it, if they could get it as easily as women. But they would not then complain about getting so much attention. Either you can seek attention, or you can complain about it. You don't get to do both.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 08:39 PM
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They aren't the ones complaining about being overwhelmed with messages. Also, you fundamentally don't understand what it's like to date as a guy. Guys necessarily have to swipe more than women, because guys get fewer matches. Significantly fewer. You would feel very depressed if you swapped places. But that aside, point is, if women are complaining about too many matches, just swipe less. Why must men be responsible for not matching with you, when you swiped on them? That doesn't even make sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 08:30 PM
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So that you're not overwhelmed with messages? The thing people are complaining about? And because the people you've matched with are human beings, and if you're not capable of handling that many conversations, the moral thing is to not match with them. That's true for either sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 06:42 PM
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Everyone knows that. So... Why not swipe less and wait for them to roll in? You control how many matches you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 05:39 PM
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Yeah, that makes total sense. We (men) are so used to seeing (in society, and especially this sub) women saying that physical compliments and sexual attention aren't validating, and that men are the lucky ones for not getting that attention in general. It always feels very insulting and entitled and very hard to believe. So it's rather refreshing to see someone tell it like it is. I appreciate hearing your perspective, and here's an upvote for being real
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 05:30 PM
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There really is a consensus that it's more aimed at casual dating and hookups compared to Hinge or Bumble or Okcupid or Match or the myriad other sites. Yes, some people go there looking for something serious. But what they find is a lot of people looking for something more casual. By her own admission, that's what 95% of the people on there were looking for. If 95% of people use product X for reason Y, it's safe to say product X is primarily used for reason Y. No?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 05:01 PM
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I get you, I'm not trying to say you're hating men or anything. Maybe I'm not articulating myself clearly enough. My intent isn't to attack you, I'm more commenting on the general notion of people seeking attention and validation (which at least you're honest about), using apps catered towards hookup culture, swiping on lots of profiles, and then complaining about being overwhelmed with messages and/or guys just trying to get in their pants. I think those people would have a better experience by…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 04:56 PM
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Yes, and it's primarily for, and used by, people looking for casual dating and hookups. That's common knowledge. Even by her own admission, that's what 95% of people were looking for. So... My point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:52 PM
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Fair play for being honest about looking for attention and validation lol. But what I meant was, it feels like you were annoyed by how many guys were looking for hookups, and I don't think a person can right be annoyed by that when they're using an app focused primarily around casual things, and are looking for attention. Those things don't make sense together, know what I mean? It's like you're hating the posters, and then saying don't hate the player hate the game. Yeah, of course some people …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 03:50 PM
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Truly, an embarrassment of riches.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 02:11 PM
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Why not swipe less? You control how many matches you get.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 02:08 PM
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Why would you be on Tinder if that's not your intention? There are apps for people looking for serious long term things. There are apps for people looking for hookups. You joined the latter and got bothered by people using the app how people have always used that app? That's entirely on you, boo.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 02:07 PM
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Ugh this argument again. Positions of power aren't "held by men". They're held by people overly privileged by money and influence, and most of them also happen to be male. The other 99% of men do not benefit from this. They are not on our team. Them being male is as relevant as them being blond or brunette or tall or short. The other 99% of men do not hold any more power than women. Do you know what positions are held primarily, and often almost exclusively, by men? Construction workers, brick l…
/r/MensRights31/07/23 12:45 AM
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I mean I don't entirely disagree, but your examples are more just transactional than predatory. Your premises don't support your conclusion. Feminists are wrong for painting them as predatory, but one bad argument doesn't counter another.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 01:55 PM
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Experience in what regard? Cheating? You'd be correct, I've never cheated on my girlfriends. I'm not a piece of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 10:02 AM
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I honestly can't tell what is satire vs genuinely insane in this sub anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 04:56 AM
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I know that you do that because you're a considerate person, but I am still sorry that society has made you feel compelled to do so. I mean, the extent to which it's informed by your skin color and sex, beyond just not wanting to startle someone in general. I believe "male privilege" is utter bollocks, but "white privilege" is definitely real to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 12:45 AM
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Uhhh yeah? I mean that's obvious lol. I'm not sure what that has to do with the topic though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 09:22 PM
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You make an interesting point, that because women don't experience the same level of bullying, that they aren't inoculated against criticism early. My boss is a male with an extremely fragile ego. He was an only child and had a doting mother. This would track with what you're saying. The counter-argument I can see is that many people who were bullied also grow up with a victimhood complex and also can't take criticism. Ultimately I think adversity is the biggest factor, but it's almost "sink or …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 07:43 PM
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I think the difference is that those are blamed on the individual by institutions and a (not insignificant) minority of closed minded people. The majority of individuals even in America can recognize that the system is busted. That's an element not found in dating, especially in blue pill or mainstream narratives.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:57 PM
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Either you're intentionally misunderstanding me, or you're not even capable of having a conversation on the topic. Implying I'm a rapist because I said it's inaccurate and harmful to label women as "prey" is next level bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:21 AM
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What you see as progress, I see as a lateral move. Lateral at best. It gives, I believe, the impression of progress. Because it moves the needle forward on one axis, and backwards on others. It's not that I take the message personally, it's that saying "women are prey" is the wrong message. It's us vs them. I hate that tribalism shit, because it is the false friend of progress. The way forward is the path of love, understanding, cooperation, empathy. You don't get there by implying half the popu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 02:04 AM
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I wasn't writing off their fears as unfounded. My mom was raped. A late-girlfriend of mine was raped. She killed herself shortly after. It was deeply traumatizing to me, and I thought I had articulated that clearly. It's not something I take lightly. It's for that reason I also feel strongly against making blanket statements and absolutes. It's so abhorrent to me that I cannot abide by the notion of it getting diluted. To say "women are prey" dilutes it. To imply "men are predators" dilutes it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:42 AM
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My feelings are not irrelevant, and you do a disservice to your argument to say as much. My feelings are just as valid as yours. I'm a human too, thank you. If you read my message again, more carefully, you'll find I agree with what they were saying insofar as comfort goes. There's a reason I snipped/quoted the paragraph I was commenting on, to make it clear I was commenting on that notion specifically, as a general theme in society. It had nothing to do with me dating anyone or me getting anyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:32 AM
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Men just don’t think about any of the things women pay attention to for vigilance…women are prey in this world I hate this notion so damn much, because it automatically assumes and asserts that men are defacto predators. To make the statement that women are prey is to tell me I'm a predator. I have never preyed upon a woman. And naturally then the response is "okay maybe not you, maybe "not all men", but... And that gets us nowhere. Everyone's feelings are valid, and if women, generally, feel li…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 08:28 PM
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Can you link to these studies you're referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 03:35 AM
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Honestly I think the fact that you're able to say that here, and not get banned or even downvoted to oblivion is kind of evidence that they aren't nearly the same kind of thing.
/r/MensRights18/06/23 06:29 PM
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I would not call 70 pounds overweight minimal health consequences. That's half a person you're carrying around. 200 pounds is not the line of jeopardizing health. That's well into morbid obesity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 03:39 PM
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Thank you for your support. I'm sorry for what you've gone through, my friend. Wishing you love and continued healing ♥️
/r/MensRights17/06/23 01:28 PM
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Which is the only fitting response to such low effort, reaching, aimless bitterness being shouted into the void. When some deranged, soy-pilled little boy starts frothing at the mouth trying to put people down out of nowhere, it's obvious he's driven by insecurities. Actual "warriors, the doers, the hard-workers, the builders" have better shit to do than to log onto reddit, go to PPD (during the one safe week a year), and seethe in such histrionics. Hence, projection. This tool ain't shit, homie…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 03:58 AM
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I see you've opened with the "I am rubber, you are glue" defense. But just didn't have it in ya to not copy-paste, huh? I get it. Hard work is hard. And it's just easier to throw shit at others. But easy times make soft men. You can only coast downhill. You can be better than this. You owe it to the thousands of men who lived and died and fucked and passed on their genes to make you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:30 AM
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A case study in projection. Hang in there, man. I know you have a lot of work ahead of you, but you'll get through this. I believe in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:25 AM
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Yeah I totally get you. It's best used as a tool for growth and self-understanding, recognizing your strengths and weaknesses, and as a model to help make sense of interpersonal dynamics. Some people make it their whole identity unfortunately. I do personally find it to be a useful model that has led to a greater understanding, and I definitely have much more in common with others of my type. But at the end of the day, it is only a model and isn't meant to define you. If you decide to look into …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:57 PM
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I just replied to another comment you left, and this saw this. And I think you might actually be me. You keep saying rational things I not only already think, but in basically the same words I would say them. This is an experience I'm not used to in this sub. It's almost uncanny. Total shot in the dark here, but are you by chance an INFJ? If you're not familiar with MBTI, disregard this probably strange sounding question lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:20 PM
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Yep, we have observed the very same thing. I tried to keep my phrasing fairly neutral, but I do find it far more frustrating on that side. Because like you said, the red pill trolls (that is, the trolls who also happen to be RP) are easy to spot and easy to ignore. They're just here to shitpost. They don't make the effort to appear in good faith. When I argue with one of these guys, they just call me a cuck and that's that. But the BP trolls I find far more annoying. Because they try to use plau…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:04 PM
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Excellent question, I hope she answers. I asked something similar earlier as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 06:29 PM
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Dan Carlin is amazing. The best non-historian historian out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 06:01 PM
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Well, for the first part of your question, it is that way by design. Many people mistake PPD as a free speech sub, and that couldn't be further from the truth. Fair enough, I respect your candor. But I do try to remove obviously bad faith actors and ask that you report them as you see them. Is purely arguing in bad faith against the rules? Because I see that constantly, much more than incivility. There's a few people here, and one in particular, who seem to make this their entire personality. In…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:55 PM
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Has anyone's arguments here meaningfully changed your mind about anything related to red v blue pill, and if so what specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 05:10 PM
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Why is the modding here one of the most heavy handed of all subreddits, and why is it still one of the least good-faith debate subs? I'm sure there are worse out there, but I've not seen them. I wonder if there's a chicken and egg type situation between the moderation style and member conduct here, similar to the American criminal justice system. (Not a perfect analogy, just for sake of illustration.) What are your thoughts on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 04:55 PM
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Honestly I haven't noticed any difference in the quality. If anything it feels a little less annoying, just because the shitposts aren't trying to hide behind a pretense of plausible deniability. The actual conversations themselves are no more or less toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 01:26 PM
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I'm over here disavowing as hard as I can, chief. Nobody cares. Tbh most left/center-left people disavow that shit. We're just shouted over by a loud minority of misandrist blue-haired harpies. Just like you're shouted over by maga-tard bigots.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:18 AM
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You took the words from my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:12 AM
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It's really not. It's a strawman. No sane person thinks people owe them a gf or sex. No sane person thinks sex is a need in the same way food or water is. Most sane people agree it's a non-survival need in the same way friendship or love or harmony is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 11:12 PM
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What I hate about comments like this is that they're so obvious and yet miss the point entirely. I agree with everything you said, in the way you said it. And all of it was useless and weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 10:44 PM
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Partly true, but that was also before widespread birth control as we have today, and only 2 years after Roe v Wade. So the dynamics are pretty different now (notwithstanding recent regressive legislative idiocy). To say nothing of the multitudes of men who promise the moon before and during pregnancy, then are no where to be found directly afterward or a couple years later when they can't take it anymore. Like I said, there needs to be systems in place to prevent this, such as time windows after…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 05:20 PM
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Actually I think it would have the opposite effect. It would encourage more thoughtful family planning. As it is now, women know that she will likely still be financially supported were there a mismatch of intentions. A woman can choose to keep a child from a man who has no intention of being a real father. But if there is no financial incentive, women would likely be choosier, and less likely to get pregnant by deadbeats. Obviously there needs to be a robust system in place to prevent one sided…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 03:42 PM
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What do you base this on? Because that's factually not true.
/r/MensRights08/06/23 01:27 PM
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"You don't see women as real HuMaNs!"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 10:11 AM
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Thank you <3 What do you feel is problematic about their methodology? It's a lot of things that build into a larger issue, but my main contention is that the way they define terms, and collect and publish data leads to sloppy and less meaningful numbers. For example, from their own link "1 in 5 women and nearly 1 in 59 men have experienced an attempted or completed rape in their lifetime, defined as penetrating a victim by use of force or through alcohol/drug facilitation" The number people take…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 09:58 PM
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We can recognize that receiving unwanted dickpics is not good, while also acknowledging that rape is a lot worse. I agree, but we undermine it all when placing it under the same umbrella, especially calling both "violence". I've seen real violence. I've seen things that are gut wrenching and life changing. Those things are not in the same ballpark, not even the same planet as receiving unwanted pictures. For an analogy, we can recognize that torture, genocide, and littering are all bad things. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 05:12 PM
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No disrespect to you, and I don't want to make light of such a horrible experience that nobody deserves to be put through. But if you look at the methodology of that research, it's flawed to the point of being outright inaccurate, and in my opinion, does a disservice to people who have been legitimately victimized. Multiple loved ones of mine have been victims of such violence, including family members and a former partner. And I myself have been. So when I see it watered down like this (by the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:58 AM
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Yep, almost perfectly put. The only (and admittedly small) correction I would make is that your #2 under the 80/20 rule appears to be pretty well backed by studies, at least in the way I'm interpreting how you wrote it (as in perceived to be above average attractiveness). Though if you're being very literal I can see the argument for placing it there. But I'm putting this under automod because overall this is a very true post and one of the most reasonable I've seen in a while. The problem you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:50 AM
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True. The heavy lifting one I think is relatively reasonable though. If I'm significantly larger and more powerful than my partner, I'm not going to expect her to be able to do an equal amount of physical work as I can. Honestly I'm even okay being the designated spider-deporter, plumber, and handyman, if it means not being financially and emotionally objectified.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:57 PM
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Off the top of my head, I would say financial objectification is a big one. You could argue emotional objectification as well. These are both things many men feel subjected to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:35 PM
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That's an entirely different thing. I care a lot about my partner's success. Her victories are our victories. That doesn't mean I find her money or status attractive. In subs like this, mainly. I can link you posts if you would like. You can also find many comments in this post essentially saying the same. It's clear that these people believe that men who don't find a women's career an important metric to consider in dating are "just looking for sex" or are shallow. I don't frequent a lot of man…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 03:31 AM
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You're describing my own feelings exactly. The things I find attractive in a person can often be correlated with having an education. Passion and intelligence are valuable to me. But while correlated, they aren't synonymous. There are plenty passionate and smart women without a high degree or prestigious career. Which is why I don't say that education or career is attractive to me. I say passion, intelligence, etc are attractive. That's kind of OP's point. He doesn't articulate it perfectly, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:44 AM
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That… isn’t what they are doing. They are describing their lives in an attempt to find a man with similar interests or values I thought you'd say that, which is why I said the rest of that paragraph: "I've seen many posts in this sub about this, from women asking how much men care, or venting that men don't care. And the comments therein are filled with women saying that the kind of men who don't care are just shallow fuck boys looking for sex. This post is full of similar comments." Education a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:35 AM
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Educated women aren’t dating uneducated men and don’t care what uneducated men think about them. My comment had nothing to do with the education level of men, nor what kind of men women are dating. Educated women aren’t dating men who believe her education and vocation are unimportant. That's just not true. Few guys actually care about education or vocation. You will find guys who say things similar to that. But when you investigate further, you find that what they're actually talking about are …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:20 AM
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Did you read what I wrote, or stop right there? There isn’t an educated women on the planet who wants to live with someone who only values her for sex acts Here's what I said: because I'm almost the furthest thing from shallow you can find in a guy. I require deep connections with a person to really even be attracted to them. And yet I'm not attracted by career/money/status in the slightest bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 12:12 AM
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That's not what OP is saying say at all, he's made that clear in many comments. Nobody here thinks women pursue personal goals to impress men. What he's saying is basically that many women believe that education or career (status, money, etc) are, or should be, more important to men than they are. It's like... I used to wrestle in high school. I won some medals. I didn't do it to impress girls. Because probably no girls give a darn about that. But if I believed they did, I might have been tempte…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 11:54 PM
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Formal education says absolutely nothing about a person's character or wisdom. Thank you. Omg it's strange to me how many people here are confirming OP's point without realizing it, while trying to argue against it. Granted OP didn't articulate the point perfectly, but nonetheless it's clear what he's saying. Many women believe those things are (or should be) more important to men than they actually are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 11:40 PM
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You're just wrong and I take some offense to that. You're conflating two entirely different things. I see people as whole people. And while I hate the term, I'm apparently what some call "demisexual". I need to be attracted to a person's personality to really be attracted to them. And education, career, money, status, all of that means NOTHING to me. Nada. Zilch. I care about the actual person, not their ability to acquire material resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 11:35 PM
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If you don't mind me asking, what makes you think that? It's pretty well accepted that men and women have always split responsibilities as to what they are best at. This is even observable in animals todays. Honestly what you're suggesting doesn't even make sense. So I'd be genuinely interested if you have anything backing that up, I'd love to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 04:10 AM
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I mean I really feel like it's one of those patently obvious things. Like.. If a friend asks if you can pick them up from the airport, they don't need to specify that they mean give them a ride in your car, instead of literally give them a piggyback ride on your back lol. So I don't really see any reason for there to be any other interpretation. But I guess you're like.. technically right? Idk, I'm trying to be friendly and not sound condescending here, and acknowledge other people's assumptions…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:06 AM
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Wh- Yeah. It doesn't specify because the good faith interpretation is that we're comparing like to like. That's the whole point. It should be assumed that both the illness and loss of income are comparable lol. You can assume good intentions or gross negligence or whatever, but the point is that the circumstances are understood to be the same. Otherwise you get lost in the weeds of a million "what ifs". What if the wife has cancer, but also she used to smoke, but also she quit 2 years ago, but a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 02:44 AM
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I think it's pretty obvious that the good faith understanding is that whatever hypothetical we're talking about, the outcome was purely bad luck. Whether it be illness or loss of job, you have to compare apples to apples. To even bring choice into the equation is attempting to derail it imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 01:30 AM
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True, I was trying to be very generous. We observe transactional sex behaviors in primates today, so very likely the practice existed before humans existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:08 PM
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Sure. We can point out things that would be more ideal. If the world worked like that, there would be no suffering. Apply your logic to today. Is it better for a 16 year old runaway to get hooked on drugs and sell her body, or for her to meet a nice gentleman who will help provide for her? Yet prostitution still exists, no? And life back then was harsh, short, and brutish. You were often lucky to make it to 30. What if there weren't any suitors who wanted to marry you? Better to starve, or roll …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 03:06 PM
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Source? There's a reason it's called the world's oldest profession. We like to think that humans lived in prosperous and egalitarian times for 100,000 years, but in all likelihood, there was less than equal distribution of food and resources. Say you're an unmarried woman in a tribal band. There are hunters, gatherers, and maybe craftsmen. You can try collecting berries, hopefully there's enough to sustain you. You could try fletching arrows to trade, but that shit's hard. Or you could trade an …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 12:21 PM
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Huh. This sub has some of the weirdest moderation I've ever seen. Anyways, thanks for the explanation!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 01:45 PM
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Just curious, why do you and others exclude the "e"? I've seen it around here a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 01:16 PM
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Kind Good communication Healthy weight No STDs Not materialistic/superficial Bonus points for: Creative, curious, funny, in good shape, and a little dorky.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 11:23 AM
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I see. Is your hypothesis that they would find more enjoyment or less?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 02:09 AM
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Okay y'all hold up. There's a translation error here. OP is asking a different question than one the women are hearing. Because "success" looks like different things to the men and women here. To men, "success" in dating is not being single. Extra points if the woman is fun and kind and an easy person to be with. But just not being alone is often considered successful. To women," success" in dating means something else. It's trivial for most women to not be single. Their bar for success is so mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 12:18 AM
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Yeah that's just not true at all. I'm sorry if you've been through some shit that made you think these things, but they're flat out lies. I care about personality immensely. Every guy I know cares about personality. It's true we don't care about your work success. It's not because your accomplishments don't matter, it's because your status and money is irrelevant to us. Also this point directly contradicts your whole message. Do guys care about what you do, or who you are? You're all over the pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 07:34 PM
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I have heard "girl boss", but it's always been in talking about the archetype/meme thing. I've never heard it used in a straight-faced way to describe a boss who happens to be a girl. Good point about "male nurse", I have heard that one before. I don't watch all sports but I thought maybe there were court size changes or goal sizes- I wasn't sure. I was just covering bases. Ah okay, I got you. That makes sense. Do all woman's sports have the exact same rules and regulations as Men's? For the mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 11:15 PM
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Well my bad then if you didn't misunderstand. I figured it was kind of tautological that a women's league would necessarily have the rule of being "Women only", by its very nature. So claiming they have different rules kind of implies something else lol. Otherwise it's just stating the extremely obvious. I guess I have no idea what your point was then of bringing up women's sports, if the only separation is the necessary one for it to exist. I agree that calling someone a woman doctor would be i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 07:45 PM
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Yeah, I definitely agree with the distinction of how the two relate to their respective expectations. It's a point of strong contention or bitterness for a lot of guys that women have a great deal of control over their perceived value, whereas for men, they're largely at the hands of fate. It feels like a cosmic injustice to them. I also appreciate that you said "stereotyped to want". It's a nuance many don't include. For me personally, I don't care for much makeup at all. I'm perfectly cool wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 04:06 AM
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Ah, okay. I was asking more to understand than to debate. In terms of the debate itself, I don't find those things very compelling in a relative sense (comparing to men), but they're valid experiences themselves. And you did say "Not as a comparison to what men deal with, just a statement of its own", so I'm not trying hold your feet to the fire or anything. Was just curious is all, so thanks for the explanation! And you made a good point about China's one child policy. I think that's one of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 02:41 AM
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Isn't a man's strength what makes him valued for the labour he can provide? To me it sounds like women are valued for what they provide if we're talking about what they can do with their bodies. I think there's a distinction here. Men aren't valued for their strength or what they can do with their bodies so much as the external success they achieve. An average man of average success isn't seen as particularly valuable. An average woman is, more or less by just existing in an average way. An aver…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 02:33 AM
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Just a note of clarification about the sports ball, you misunderstand the distinction. "Sports Ball" is the game played at the highest level. Some people have the skills, but don't have the physical ability to compete at the highest level. To be more precise, women can be just as skilled as men, but aren't typically strong or fast enough to play at the highest level. Nobody created "Women's Sports Ball" to keep women out, they created it so that women could still play, in an environment that is …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 01:09 AM
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It's an intrinsic function. That doesn't mean it's the whole function. It's not a contradiction to say "X is valued for its natural functions, including X.1 and X.2"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 01:00 AM
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Contrary to popular belief, the cosmetic skills to apply makeup, the mental and physical damage to the body needed to fit stereotypes of attraction, and the continued mental and physical damage of deleting our personalities and putting men's wishes for us above our own, are all really, really hard. Can you elaborate on this? Especially if you have personal experience or specific examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 12:56 AM
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Unemployment is at almost record lows in the US. We haven't had such low unemployment in decades. It’s easy to have a laid back lifestyle and not work hard as long as someone else is paying for it. You're correct, which is why life is so easy for the richest people. The pandemic was the world's largest wealth transfer from poor and middle class to the rich. Billionaires in the US grew about 5 TRILLION dollars richer in total. Which correlates with the wealth loss experienced by the bottom 99%.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 12:49 PM
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I've really never understood the idea that finding someone attractive is in any way mutually exclusive to seeing them as a human being with thoughts and feelings and all that. Or that expressing it (in a normal human way) denies personhood to someone. It feels like a weirdly disingenuous notion. Maybe I'm the weird one, maybe there actually are hordes of drooling guys shambling through the streets in a zombie-like stupor, humping fire hydrants and azalea bushes. But at least for me, an attractiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 09:53 PM
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Well of course it is. Human attraction is subjective. But, as with most subjective things, there is a strong overlapping consensus. One person's 7 will be another's 6 or 8, but practically no one's 2 will be another's 10. Most people more or less agree most of the time within a margin, and that's all it takes to have effective communication. If you didn't agree, you would never look at amazon reviews when deciding what to buy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 09:52 PM
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Perhaps I can explain a little. I can't speak for everyone of course, but for me (and I assume a non-zero amount of others) it's really for sake of communication, not so much an actual mental model of the world. I couldn't tell you off the top of my head what numbers my exes were. They were people, not numbers. I never look at a girl and think "she's a 6". Doing that feels weird and reductive. But, when someone (say online, like here) describes person X as a 5, and person Y as an 8, I can unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 08:41 PM
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Holy crap... I never realized that book/movie was a prophetic social commentary ala Idiocracy... You've opened my eyes, friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 08:26 PM
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It's not "women". Women are not my sole or primary source of happiness. It's a deep intimate bond with another person. It's not the status of having a girlfriend or going on dates or even having sex. I have had meaningful romantic success. The majority of my adult life has been in a relationship. Some of them were shitty. Some of them were not. I have been happy in life. It was when I had that bond. I was truly happy for the first time. This is how life is for some people, and this is just a rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 06:51 PM
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I think you're discounting the variance in personality types. You're talking about what works for you. Not everyone has the same brain or personality or values as you do. I agree with the basic premise that desperation and putting a partner on a pedestal are generally going to be harmful and counterproductive. But your argument goes beyond that and into territory where it falters. There are some people who genuinely cannot be happy without a partner. They can have a successful job and social lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 06:33 PM
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For shame, man. Be better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 11:50 AM
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This was a continuation of a conversation I was having with her in another thread, as I alluded to. If you would like to read that for understanding of the "need" dynamic, here's a link. You'll have to scroll up and read the earlier replies for full context. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/13nx0cn/people_who_say_sex_isnt_a_need_dont_know_how_it/jl2myj2/ To call that nonsense though is just nonsense. It answered her question thoroughly and contributed much more to the discussio…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:23 AM
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Thanks for the helpful feedback, have a nice day
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 12:18 AM
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Hey so I talked about the "need" definition in another comment to you, but I'll (attempt) to tackle your greater question here. Obligatory preface: I can only speak from my experience and from what I gather to be typical male experience, some people, such as asexual people, will experience something different. Okay so you're kinda right about the suppositions here, but also not quite. It's like... All those things but not just those things. There's a lot of different elements at play, and I'll t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:16 PM
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You might be right, I read it as semi ambiguous or less than ideal phrasing, but that may be what he meant. As a fellow sociology nerd I'd like to know as well lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 07:52 PM
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Yeah, what I find in discussions like this is it often breaks into all-or-nothing terms. I don't know if it's a human difficulty with nuance, or maybe subconscious influence of tribalism (my side is pro X, therefore Y is wrong), or what. But it's somewhat interesting to watch. Until it's your politicians doing it anyways lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 07:49 PM
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I'm not the guy you're asking so I can't speak for him, but to piggyback and provide another take (and maybe what he means?) : I hear women saying it's not a need far far more often than I hear men claiming it is. I don't think any reasonable person believes it's a true survival need like food/water, but frequently when the topic comes up, it's men talking about how difficult it is to live so intimacy-starved, and women to respond by saying "sex isn't a need!" As someone with no dog in the fight…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 07:41 PM
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That's fair. If we are to say that things generally required to thrive are not considered needs, then I agree sex/intimacy is not either. I do think there's some validity in calling them needs. Perhaps we can differentiate them as "non-critical" needs, or something, idk. I haven't settled on a concrete definition of need yet. I think broadly, my idea of it would be "things generally required for physical or emotional health" rather than survival. This would include things like safety, security, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 07:19 PM
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Wow, you really don't know how to read. This must be terribly embarrassing for you, to be so rudely arrogant yet wrong. Allow me to clarify, as you have had terrible understanding. I am not more likely to rape just because I'm male Read it again. I acknowledged risk assessment and general statistics. My statement was NOT about whether a person can apply probabilistic assessment. It was about literally me. It was saying "yes, I get why women make those generalizations, but it sucks because I know…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 06:00 PM
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For sure. I think it circles back to what it means to be a "need", and becomes philosophical at a point. For example, I would say that children need to be shown love and compassion. But they can survive without it. People can survive all sorts of terrible conditions. You and I would probably both agree that physical safety is a need, but it's not necessary for survival. Abusive relationships for example (assuming we're not talking murder obviously). You could probably extend this to emotional sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 05:42 PM
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He actually considers sexual intimacy separate from physical sex. You're correct that intimacy is the 3rd tier, while sex itself is on the bottom. He argues that we would be extinct as a species without it, and therefore the biological drives for it are an imperative of survival. I can see a difference between it and food/water, but he does make a compelling point in my opinion for it as a physiological need, but of less urgency than breathing or drinking, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 05:21 PM
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Interesting. I'm trying to form my opinion on the subject and as far as I can tell, the entire topic can really be boiled down to semantics. It seems it hinges squarely on how one defines "need", and is almost detached from the larger conversation. It does make me wonder what people who say it's not a need also say aren't needs. And as long as they're consistent with their definition I see no problem with it. I'm still not sure where I lie on it, I can see good arguments both ways. Just a point …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 05:05 PM
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Yes, you really are. That's not factually true. You're speaking about someone else's perception of me, based on ignorance. You admit that they would need other information for this probability to be lower. That's proof you're not speaking about probability I'm a rapist, you're speaking about some stranger's estimation. That is not an intrinsic statement about me, individually. It's a statement about assumptions. Let me be more clear. I am not more likely to be a rapist I have raped zero people. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 04:58 PM
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Out of curiosity, would you strictly define "needs" as the minimum resources required to not die?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 04:33 PM
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I get what you're saying but you're misunderstanding a nuance. In a group of people X, Y% of them will be rapists, and the majority of them will be males. A rapist is statistically more likely to be a male by this assumption (there's actually some solid data that suggests this isn't true at all, but that's a whole other can of worms and I don't feel like getting into all that right here so for sake of argument let's say that's true). From a broad, general risk assessment then, a person can say t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 03:39 PM
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Fair enough, I agree with you there
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 02:47 PM
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I'm a little confused because this doesn't seem like something you would say, but yeah that's very reasonable and I totally agree. Have an upvote.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 02:32 PM
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Commenting so I can find this again. Thank you for this post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/23 02:24 PM
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The things you talk about are correct. The issue is wrapping it up into a concept of "patriarchy". That term is so incredibly loaded, both semantically and conceptually. Just like "toxic masculinity". The problem with them is they are specious. They include many things that are true, and thus can sound true. But they bring with them false assumptions and biased interpretations that harms both sexes. By their very nature, those concepts are not egalitarian and should be abolished. And in their pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 02:05 PM
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Exactly. It's a semantic game of bad faith. Just like "men hold all the power". No. Positions of power are mostly held by people who are male. And the vast majority of the destitute and homeless are also male. I don't benefit just because some old white guy is a CEO. We're not on some team together. Nor am I on the same team as a violent criminal. I am not more likely to rape someone just because I'm male. Statistics don't work like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 01:55 PM
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I personally think the best way to counter hate is through love. You can't beat an ideology into submission. That said, the kind of person who hates a whole class of people - be it men, women, minorities, gays, etc - is unlikely to even be receptive of love and understanding and well reasoned arguments. They are likely too entrenched and closed minded to even be worth talking to. But exceptions exist. So I say give benefit of the doubt. When you encounter one of the frothing-at-the-mouth misandr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 01:37 PM
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I thought this place was about mending divisions between men and women at the sociological level. Lol yeah, I remember thinking that too, hence why I joined a couple months ago. One of my first conversations here was with her. It was mind blowing. We got in like 12-15 replies deep before I just had to pull the plug. And that's something I almost never do. There's a reason she has... A reputation around here. I don't think I've ever seen a woman call her out on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 07:22 PM
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I... I can't man. I can't believe a real human writes the things she writes. I'm trying to make sense of it but it's so absurd, I can't even treat it like just a bad or stupid take. If I were to make a fake account with the intention of making women out to look ridiculous, I genuinely could not do as well. Like, I don't think I could even think of something so... I can't even... Make it make sense to me man. It's almost breaking my world view. (Also you should prolly edit your last line bro, you…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 07:10 PM
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Lol. "No u" I can take criticism just fine. And I didn't even take this as criticism, because OP's arguments aren't substantive enough to be coherent. It's not even critical, it's just saying "I think these people mean something else". There's nothing there, there's no meat on that bone. It's an appeal to bad faith circlejerking. Meanwhile, I provided actual criticism of the post's issues, and you didn't take that well. So... Learn to take criticism I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 06:23 PM
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Ohhh, I just saw your name. This makes sense now. Sorry, I didn't realize you were you at first lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 06:17 PM
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I- Are you serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 06:00 PM
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This should probably be a CMV The problem with your argument is it lacks substance. There's nothing here to speak on, really. It breaks down to "everyone is saying X, but I think they mean Y". And it's like... Okay? You can think that. Everyone else will continue saying "no, we mean X". And maybe when someone tells you how they feel, you should believe them. Your premise that men get plenty of compliments is either too ambiguous to be useful, it just false. It's common knowledge that men receive…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 05:39 PM
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For sure. I've got no reason to lie to spare your feelings. If he told you the same thing I told you, he's telling the truth. Another thing to consider is why some people have high counts. After all, if someone was really good (in bed or as a partner in general), wouldn't that imply their partners would want to keep them? Correlation isn't causation, and some people just have bad luck in love, but you get what I mean. Either way, I'm sure you have nothing to worry about, so try to not let those …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 11:50 AM
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Oh my, that is a.. significant gap. Having been on both sides of a gap, I know it can definitely suck. But if it's of any help, I can tell you with great certainty that a person's body count has almost zero correlation with how good they are in bed. Yeah, they might pick up some tricks along the way, but tricks are superficial, and there's a good chance it's not something that even works for you. One person's trick is another's ick. And they can pick up bad habits just as easily. And a person wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/23 11:23 AM
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But you're using it. You can't just put that on OP if you're going to use the same argument. Either you agree with it or not. Stand by your words or don't make them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:50 PM
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Fair, but by your metric, is anyone a good person? And if not, that means either the concept of goodness or your metric for it are useless. Especially if, like many here have said, being a good person is the bare minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:47 PM
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If your logic is consistent, then it should apply to other aspects of life beyond romantic rejection. Have you ever reacted negatively? To anything. Just once. Even one time. If so, you are not a good person, by your logic. Are you a good person?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:31 PM
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So a man without "abundance" is not a good, kind man? This is what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 06:28 PM
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The fact that this even needs to be a question makes me weep for humanity. I'm friendly back to them. I'm not going to be less friendly just because someone is less attractive. Only [redacted] and psychopaths do that. If they're flirting, I'm probably not going to flirt back if they're a 2/10. I'll probably pretend to not notice they're flirting and/or assume they're just friendly. If it's super obvious and they're not picking my romantic disinterest, I'll say I have a girlfriend or that I'm not…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 05:42 PM
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I have a fairly dark sense of humor. I'm just capable of empathy. Like normal healthy people are. It's one thing to find humor in fucked up shit broadly, it's another to find it in human suffering at the individual scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 06:06 PM
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The fact that people like that don't understand just how much they validate and reinforce the other side is what's most funny of all. Not haha funny. Just sad funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 05:59 PM
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I have a friend who struggles with schizophrenia. It's truly heartbreaking and neither of us find it particularly humorous.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 05:54 PM
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Exactly though. Fat women don't think they're LV. There's even this stupid ass fatphobia movement and companies putting fat bikini models in their ads and shit. This is peak gaslighting. Ohhh, I see what you're saying now. I think it's less a case that they don't think they're LV, and more that they're trying hard to convince everyone, and themselves, that they're not. (I personally hate the concept of HV/LV. I don't like referring to people like that and think it's overly reductionist, but I un…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 12:44 AM
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Le sigh yourself. You said you were never without the affection of a woman. You said that's true for most broke men. 63% of young men are single. I'm sure you've seen the pew study. There's also studies that show a link between poverty and loneliness. I can get a link to that if you want. There's also common sense. It's indisputable that women prefer men with money. They overwhelmingly about to this. I can find studies for that too if you want. That's the basis of this question. You don't even n…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 07:52 PM
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Oh, okay. It's weird how studies and statistics and so many anecdotes would suggest otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 05:57 PM
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I'm genuinely happy for you that you had that. The world would be better if more people have had that experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 05:31 PM
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I'll upvote for having a good faith argument I disagree with Hmm. I'm not sure whether to counter the premise they don't know, or the premise that it's worse. Tell you what, I'll give you a couple counter arguments in different directions, and let's go with whichever you find more compelling lol. A fat woman knows she's fat. This is the argument many people here are making, that everyone can see she's fat. You might say that knowing she's fat is different than knowing she's LVW, but I would say …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 05:21 PM
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That's fair, imagining is hard
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 05:05 PM
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So men can make up for the shortcomings they can't control through other strengths, half of which are also outside their control (being tall, having the opportunity to go to college, etc), and that is preferable to having one negative trait that is entirely in a person's control?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 04:54 PM
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I don't think your situation is representative of the majority of people you'd call overweight. While I disagree with your conclusion in the general sense, you do make fair points and I can understand where you're coming from. And you have my sympathy for your struggles. Also, you say you've only managed to lose 80 pounds this past year? That's amazing! Really, you should be very proud of yourself! Don't minimize your successes and accomplishments. Your struggles are not my struggles, but you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 04:50 PM
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Thank you for understanding what I was saying. Ohmaygahh is moving goal posts lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 04:45 PM
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Overweight women are treated as either sexually invisible to men, or they're easy targets for manipulation So, kinda like a man? Now imagine that, but poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 04:42 PM
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The topic wasn't about being at peak attractiveness, it was about not being overweight. You're moving the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 04:26 PM
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If you live a very sedentary lifestyle, yeah that's not super healthy. Because that's not healthy whatever weight you are, and you're still healthier being not overweight. The efforts I went through to gain and lose that much weight were for peak athletic performance. I was getting stronger all the time. Nobody is expecting your run of the mill 35 year old to compete with a well built 18 year old athlete. It really doesn't take that much work to lose weight without losing too much muscle. I lost…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 04:24 PM
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Yeah, I damn well do. I used to wrestle. We had to make weight to the ounce. I also played football. This required bulking up in the spring and summer and trimming down in the fall. I would gain and lose over 30 pounds to do this. I was a linebacker, and would get to 185 pounds, and then wrestle at 140 or 152. Did that require hard work to do correctly? Yep. I've also done it through literally just not eating. Even a couple years ago, I lost over 20 pounds just to see if I still could. All did w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 04:01 PM
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money is easy come easy go, so that's not a problem Tell that to all the poor people working their hands to the bone week in, week out. To lose weight requires... Literally nothing. If you do nothing, you will lose weight. That doesn't mean it's easy, because hunger, willpower, etc. Some people really struggle with it. I'm not dismissing that. There's also a host of socioeconomic factors, such as cheap food being higher calorie. But from a literal perspective, losing weight only requires eating …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 03:21 PM
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Not that I think it's going to change a lot of peoples' minds about who we are and what we go through, but for those experiencing the same I'd hope that it's at least some relief to see that they're not alone. Well put. It may be a lofty goal to hope that it can humanize people like us to the people who see us as caricatures, but if nothing else it may be a small moment of solidarity to the many who go unheard and suffer their indignities in silence. I've experienced the many ups and downs of tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 04:40 PM
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Thank you <3 Nope and nope. He's chilled out a little bit, but I keep him at arm's length as a rule.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/23 03:19 AM
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Thank you, I appreciate your thoughtful and sincere reply! Point is that he was just "some dude". Sure, he caught his wave, and I didn't, but it completely disproves... well, you know how it is around here, all the usual arguments. For sure, that's great evidence that looks themselves aren't everything. They certainly play a role in how people are treated, but they don't automatically guarantee success or lack thereof. Something I'm trying to be more conscious of is the ways in which I'm privile…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 02:54 AM
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Yep, you put it perfectly well. In both this sub - and to an extent online broadly - there is a distinct lack of charitable interpretations. People will intentionally misconstrue what you're saying for a "gotcha". But perhaps I'm giving them too much credit that it's intentional. I shouldn't attribute to malice that which is explainable by incompetence. You seem like you're intelligent, and intelligent people often make the mistake of subconsciously assuming others have similar ability to reason…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 08:15 PM
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For sure. A couple times that stand out: My girlfriend had cheated, and I called up my friend to hang out and get it off my mind. I told him about what happened, and I was sad but composed. A few days later, we were talking about dating in general. He implied that I was immature for not being more cynical and indifferent, and said I was "blubbering like a baby" a few days prior. Another time years later, a different girlfriend of mine was raped, and soon after killed herself. I was a mess. I did…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/23 06:36 PM
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I just read through the comments in this thread, and the impression I have is that you're genuinely looking for answers in good faith, that you're trying to do what's right, and that you're being met with.. the kind of answers we would expect from this sub. Going on a tangent here, I feel like people such as you and me are the people this sub had in mind from its creation. People who can see both sides and are interested in the conversation, and seek to understand both the changing winds of soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 06:06 PM
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Where have all the good supermen gone?? Supermen need to step up and be better.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 05:43 PM
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For sure. I wrestled everywhere from 125 to 175, and I'm 6 foot. At the lower weights I was always the taller wrestler and it sucked. It had some advantages, but I had to get so low to sprawl or shoot, and didn't usually have the strength advantage. Finally after bulking up past 160, I'd occasionally wrestle a guy taller than me and it was much nicer to have a lower center of gravity and a strength advantage. ... I know that's totally tangential to your main point, but uh, I already typed it so …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 11:55 PM
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Fair take, you may be right. What are your thoughts on my question?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 11:43 PM
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I can't speak for this person (especially as he would rather downvote me than engage my points) but perhaps he's speaking from the context of millennia of tribal societies from which we evolved. In much of that, women were regarded as a precious commodity on the broad scale. A person on the individual scale, but a resource when zoomed out. (I'm generalizing obviously, individual societies differed somewhat) Either that or he's just a doofus, I don't know lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 09:43 PM
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I'm not an anthropologist or an expert in the field, so I can't claim to know this for sure, but I doubt that is the primary factor. I considered it, but it wouldn't make sense for that to be expressed dimorphically. Women would have the same evolutionary pressures to avoid STDs as men, yet they don't seem to care as much about promiscuity. This hints to there being a pressure that isn't experienced by both. I believe the best explanation for that is pregnancy. A woman has never had to fear that…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 08:21 PM
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I think what's missing in your argument is that change doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's important to recognize the reasons we have evolved the way have, and not just "it is the way it is". And that seems fairly in line with what you're saying, but it's missing the next step. To use the example of pattern recognition in racism, it's easy to just tell a racist to stop being racist. It's easy to give them lots of reasons why not being racist would be good. But none of that is going to change how th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 07:13 PM
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Thank you, I was going to comment exactly this but you did it for me. Egalitarianism is the way forward, and so long as people conflate men's/women's rights as right/left wing, we're collectively just spinning our tires .
/r/MensRights04/05/23 11:00 AM
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Hang in there man. I'm around your age and have lived a similar life to the one you describe. And you're right, very few women can relate to the same difficulties. But a lot of men can't either. The intersection of being male, being poor, having a small or non-existent social circle, and most of all having severe depression, that's a vicious circle of pain and struggle that most people just can't understand. I'd like to say it gets better. I can't. But it could. Just keep your chin up, keep bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 09:59 PM
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Just wanted to say that you seem like a good person. A lot of people around here would have just called him an incel or something, and I know that's a low bar, but still. It's refreshing to see someone actually empathizing and caring.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 09:28 PM
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I think it's unfortunate that some of the people here are just voicing their disagreement on the trans movement as a whole instead of connecting with what you're talking about. And yeah I'd be lying if I said I totally "got" every element of the trans conversation, but that's the thing. You don't have to understand someone's experience for it to be real to them. I think part of the friction comes from terminology. I've never heard "tucute" or "truscum" before this, and I think a lot of people re…
/r/MensRights03/05/23 06:27 PM
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That would be a more compelling argument if I, or any of the men alive today, were remotely responsible for anything before our birth
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 11:13 PM
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Commenting so I remember to look into this more later.
/r/MensRights27/04/23 09:15 PM
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I'm aware of the meme. The fact that you don't realize the meme is mocking zoomers/young millennials for thinking someone slightly older than them is out of touch means that the irony is lost on you lol. You played yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 09:05 PM
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Raises hand I'm one. I've only told a few people, all women, and their responses ranged from "ew gross, that sucks" to implying I should have liked it because I'm a guy. And you know what? It's... Ok. I never expected much sympathy. I don't consider the assault a truly formative part of my identity. It doesn't even make the top 10 most traumatic things in my life. Maybe just because I've kinda been through a lot lol. That doesn't mean I have less sympathy for anyone else who has been through it …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:57 PM
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I think there's a good argument to be made about the difference between feminists and feminism. I'm an egalitarian, and I see modern feminism as a destructive force for both sexes. But feminism claims to be about equality. And there is no widespread movement for actual egalitarianism that has anything near the same name recognition. When you combine common narratives, incomplete understandings, etc, it's easy to see how some people who otherwise think like me could wind up calling themselves fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:37 PM
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That's kind of a fair take. You're probably correct on some level, that we know what it's like to be us, and that factors into our attitudes regarding it. I think that goes hand in hand with what OP is saying. We know how we think, and we also know the level of sympathy we would get were we the victim. Honestly I think that plays at least as much a role. We generally aren't used to getting sympathy, and that affects our own baseline for what sympathy looks like, especially when combined with wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 06:16 PM
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Boomers are in their 70's, you're 2 generations off, bud
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 03:21 PM
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That's one possible explanation. The other, if we're sticking to these analogies, is the one offered by OP. That most women "claim to be starving, but who won't settle for anything less than caviar and shrimp at a swanky ***** dining place." It might be that both analogies break down. One analogy says women are very picky eaters, the other implies there's something fundamentally wrong with them. It wouldn't make sense to put the blame on 90% of men for "not attracting them", just as is doesn't m…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 10:00 PM
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Perhaps you are correct about that. I don't claim to know whether it is socially learned or if it's evolutionary psychology. I think there's a strong case for the latter, so I can't say I disagree with you. It's most probably a combination of the two to some degree. I also don't know whether that is something that can/should be changed. One could argue that to be aggressive is in men's nature, and that society has collectively decided to punish and discourage that nature in many contexts, for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 09:28 PM
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Perhaps AI will fill some of the roles being left unfulfilled. Will it bring people deep fulfilling love and spiritual bliss? Probably not. But it will microwave your food and tell you a joke and call for help when you fall down and break a hip. And who knows, maybe I'm underselling it. Perhaps the Turing test is a very low bar and in 30 years, the world will be full of aging people deeply in love with their silicon partner. We are currently living through the loneliest time in our history. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 06:15 PM
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Yeah it's a very different thing in the US unfortunately
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 06:08 PM
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I'm saying if any person finds the average person of the opposite sex as repulsive as your analogy claims, then yes that person has some personal issues to work on.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 05:49 PM
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By your analogy, you're saying the vast majority of men belong in the dumpster.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 05:28 PM
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If 90% of the food out there make you violently ill, you should probably see a doctor and not blame the food itself for being bad
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 05:27 PM
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Exactly. The character of person is massively more important. The best girlfriend I've had was broke as shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 03:12 PM
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The mistake you're making is in thinking that the terms only describe sexual selection, when they actually refer to a more complex self organizing social hierarchy of direct competition, subordination, and cooperation. Humans don't work like that. We do have hierarchies, we do have competition and cooperation and we do have certain people who sleep around more than others. But it's not consistent with what the terms suggest. Can you find examples of humans who seem to exhibit these characteristi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 02:32 PM
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If I was discussing etymology, I would be bringing up Hebrew and Phoenician. But I reckon it's all Greek to you xD You're committing the fallacy fallacy. The "current meaning" of the words include their usage as a social theory. You can still find people using the words in the context in which they were coined in the 70s. Most people who say the n-word aren't using it in a hateful way. Is "friend" or "person" now the "current meaning" of that word? Like I said, you would have a point if not for …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 01:36 PM
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Tell you what man, I'm gonna do you a solid and help you make a stronger argument for your case. You could argue that because English is a living language, that the terms have shifted and no longer mean what they once did. That the definition of a word is solely based on how it is used in common lexicon. I'm more of a descriptivist than prescriptivist in general, and I would find this argument a little more compelling. I still wouldn't be persuaded, because the terms are still often used in thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 01:13 PM
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The terms themselves were based on a fallacy, upon research that has been debunked. That's exactly what I claimed, and when you pressed me for more information, I provided it. Do confident and successful men exist, and less confident men also exist? Uhh yeah. It's bizarre you would try to make it out like I think otherwise. I simply stated that the theory that humans self organize into this hierarchy is false. The alpha male theory is bs, and people DO claim it to be based on social dynamics tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 12:43 PM
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I see the rampant anti-hole propaganda in society has sunk its claws deep. You're suffering from internalized misholgeny and I hope you can learn to love and embrace your holeness, for your self and your hole-partner <3
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 12:03 PM
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The description comes from a misunderstanding of a flawed observation of wolf packs from the 70s. Researchers observed the way wolves seemed to organize themselves in captivity, and a writer named David Mech referenced this and coined the terms alpha and beta males, and from there the idea started spreading and being applied to humans. But it didn't even apply to wolves. It was a localized phenomenon due to the displacement and unnatural setting that these unrelated wolves in captivity found the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 11:57 AM
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"Alpha" and "beta" males don't exist. That's been long debunked and to perpetuate the idea sets us all back. A woman has a right to go for higher income men, just as men have the right to see that as shallow and telling of her character. A woman can believe a lack of money makes a man "lesser", and a man can believe that quality makes her lesser. That's equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 11:32 AM
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TIL poor people need to live their lives of quiet desperation ALONE. "Period". Great take.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 11:28 AM
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As humans, we're all basically just holes if you think about it. It's kind of our defining feature.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 11:21 AM
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This is the stupidest post I've seen on here on a while, and that's saying something. I'm not even going to get into your frankly comical excuse for grammar and spelling, as they're merely reflective of the kind of mind that could think this was a good idea. Nor your infantile understanding of social dynamics. I've neither the time nor crayons to correct you in any way you would understand. But I'll give you props, it's brave of you to tell on yourself for being a crappy person. Shine on you bea…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 03:24 PM
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Well put. I would add on that a healthy relationship should be one of mutual learning and teaching, both influencing the other to form new positive habits and mindsets, and to drop negative ones. Strength and resiliency are good, but some people mistake them for inflexibility and closed mindedness. We are all works in progress, and anyone claiming to be finished will forever remain a half painted portrait. Godspeed as well friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 09:05 PM
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It should. Their actions should align with their values. But there's also innumerable external factors, extenuating circumstances, lapses in judgment, and so on. If a person's actions are consistent, they probably reflect their values. I think we should be patient, understanding, and most importantly, communicative when there are exceptions. And if those exceptions become the norm for long enough, then it might be time to bounce.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 06:28 PM
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Ok that's fair, I agree with that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:22 PM
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It makes me sad to see that people actually believe this. As I said in another comment, actual love is necessarily unconditional. The fact that many people think otherwise is a limitation of those people, and the more that idea spreads, the more people act on it, and the worse the world is. I still love all my exes. None of them romantically. Most of them I want nothing to do with, some of them I'm totally disgusted by. Those are separate from love.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:03 PM
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Bollocks. Lust is conditional. Limerence is conditional. Compatibility is conditional. Love is fundamentally unconditional. If my partner stopped being intimate with me, there's a good chance I would leave. That doesn't mean I would stop loving her. Yours is a cynical and pitiable belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 04:58 PM
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I believe they're saying love should be a given, and not a transactional commodity
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 04:09 PM
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America, midwest. According to a percentile chart I just googled, it appears I'm 86th percentile, so I guess you're right in a way and maybe I'm a little taller than I realized. But when I hear "super", I think 2 or 3 SD above norm, so 97th percentile give or take.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 01:23 AM
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Is 5'11" considered super tall? I'm 6' and I feel like I'm only taller than 60%, maybe 70% of dudes at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 12:06 AM
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Actually George had 47 girlfriends. Most of them being well out of his league. That short balding man is absolutely slaying.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 11:42 PM
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I'm very much a dork, and I don't have money or status. And I have no interest in dating someone for whom those are important. Granted I was lucky enough to have decent genes. I'm 6 foot and above average looking, so I'm a little privileged in that way, and I'm sure it's played a factor in attracting the women I have. But not the only factor. Some women love dorky guys. Man need to put more importance on Money and status if they wanna get Women. Hard disagree in general. If we're talking about c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 05:09 PM
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He has a point dude. Think about it. How did they measure what 14 years old looks like, mentally? By comparing these trauma stricken soldiers to untraumatized 14 year olds. If adults of general population were mentally 14 on average, then that would be the baseline for "adult", not 14 year old. Your argument is not logically sound.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:13 PM
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I agree with the basic premise, that in a way we're all just kids in adult bodies pretending like we know wtf is going on with this whole life thing. But I'm not convinced it's a gendered issue, I don't see any evidence that women are mentally younger than men. I think it's a mistake to conflate gender roles or evolutionary psyche with mental age. Being a "protector" might have parental connotations, and I can see where you make the connection to maturity. But it doesn't per se imply an older ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:08 PM
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You're either interpreting it wrong or phrasing it weirdly. Women on average rate 80% of men as "below average" attractiveness. Phrasing that as "80% of men don't cause any sexual attraction" is a strange take. There's many factors that could explain why many women have skewed ideas of average attractiveness. I won't go into them here, but that's a more accurate way to frame the phenomenon. It's literally impossible for more than 50% of a population to be below average within that population. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 03:43 PM
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Exactly lol. It's assortive mating. From the men's side, it has almost nothing to do with caring about the woman's finances. It has to do with the likelihood they meet and hit it off. A poor man is going to meet many many more poor women (at his work, or the social places he goes to) than rich women, and a rich man is much more likely to be around other rich people. This phenomenon has much more to do with statistics than with men's concern about money. You could argue there's some degree that p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 12:41 AM
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Do you have any data supporting that? I can find data supporting the opposite. In fact it's such common knowledge that I'm surprised to see anyone claiming otherwise. A woman's career and income are near the bottom of a man's concerns typically. It's women who are attracted to status and money, stereotypically. (Not all women obviously). The only extent to which most men are "materialistic" is in that way, as society tells us that having more money, a better car, a better job, etc make us more a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 07:42 PM
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The only guys irl who are like "I don't care about the girls money if she's attractive" are either lying or desperate. You're projecting. I'm not desperate and I couldn't care less about a girl's money. I want to date a person, not a checkbook. Materialism is gross, and I'm not the only one who thinks this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:12 PM
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They were being sarcastic, pointing out how you fell for that trap and didn't realize it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 10:56 AM
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I rly dont think that being opened to a LTR with 10% of women to be a high standard. Huh? I don't even know what you're saying or how it relates to your claim that 90% of men are liars. Are you claiming that men form a relationship with 10% of the women they sleep with? Because that's not remotely true. If that's not what you're saying then I don't get what you're talking about. Over 100women how many would you start a ltr with on your opinion ? Again I don't really know what you're asking or ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 04:37 PM
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I didn't make a straw man argument, I said that the picture you're painting is absurd, as you said 90%. Those are your words, not mine. As for everything you said just now... Yeah? And? Those points only support your main argument "men have it better" if you're assuming that the percentage of men acting in bad faith is astronomical. That's not supported by evidence. Likewise, for every point you made, an equivalent point can be made the other way around. A man has no way to tell when a woman is …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:50 PM
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I'm not denying some do. Of course some do. Some people - of both sexes - are selfish and manipulative people. I'm saying that it's absurd to paint the picture that 90% of men are like this and 0% of women are. That's detached from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:30 PM
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This is such a stupid and disingenuous take. You're suggesting that 90% of men are just using and disrespecting women, and 100% of women are genuinely interested in who you are? What world are you from?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 01:54 PM
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Not everyone is a sociopath. Most people have a moral compass and I don't think "why would I not lie if it gets me what I want" is as compelling an argument as you think. It's actually pretty pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 01:50 PM
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You're starting from the premise that one sex is "higher quality" than the other. This alone precludes you from having a good faith discussion on the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 01:20 PM
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Maybe I missed something or we're interpreting it differently. From what I see, it looks like she's agreeing that it's much more difficult for men, and much better to be able to complain about the music than be locked out of the party. I ain't trying to white knight for shit lol. What do you believe I'm missing?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:22 AM
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Bro, she was saying the opposite. Don't be a jerk to one of the few who are actually listening and caring.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 10:23 AM
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As with anyone else, I can't speak for 4 billion people, but in general, yeah your career is of zero importance to a man in terms of his attraction to you. There's an important caveat though, because some men will say it does. And often what they mean is that they find correlatives they associate with said career desirable (or undesirable). They might feel that nurses are more likely to be caring, for example. Secondly, they might feel like you're more likely to see them as an ATM if you make si…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:50 PM
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Hey man, this is clearly a huge part of your self identity, and I'm sorry for what you're going through. Look into micro-needling and/or derma rolling. You can get it professionally done, or do a less intense version of it yourself at home. It's said to have massive effects for acne scars. Look into it, my dude. It's worth it if this is affecting your self esteem this much. Best of luck and hang in there!
/r/AllPillDebate26/03/23 01:12 AM
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I can usually empathize with a great deal of human experiences unlike my own, but I think this is one area that I cannot. And I earnestly try to. I mean, I have sympathy for women as human beings, and if they say it's a negative experience for them, their feelings are valid. But I think it's just too alien to my frame of reference as a man, because... That still sounds like a great thing (minus the pre-puberty part obviously) To men in general, complaining about unwanted attention feels like a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 12:29 AM
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Well that's not true. All things equally, I would prefer to be hit on by someone I'm attracted to, but it's not negative or even neutral when someone I'm not attracted to flirts with me. I'm flattered, even if I'm not interested in dating them. I'm sure I'm not alone in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 07:30 PM
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Wait, are you suggesting that being active in a conversation someone initiates is somehow a bad thing? I- What??
/r/MensRights21/03/23 02:52 AM
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Ah. Yeah I can see the distinction there, that's fair enough. I think most people don't want to be bothered when they're trying to get somewhere quickly. I think there's some gray areas that are harder to figure out, like while shopping. Prior to online dating becoming the norm, malls and grocery stores were a very common place to meet people, but probably less so now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 05:02 AM
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As a guy, I can totally respect that. Maybe not so much the "creep" part, I feel like that word has lost its meaning and should be reserved for perverts. But as long as you're applying the same standard whether it's Brad Pitt or Seth Rogan, I say that's fair!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 06:40 PM
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Women have made it abundantly clear they don't like being cold-approached Some have. Others say it's what attracted them most to their partner. They say that they felt like a prize, and that the man's confidence and assertiveness is what immediately attracted her, even if she wouldn't have normally found him attractive. Do you know the difference between them and women who don't like it? No really I'm asking, because we can't tell until we try lol. I've personally never cold approached a woman. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 06:36 PM
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What's funny is that I totally agree with what you're saying, broadly. I hear you, I get you, and I'm on the same side. And I don't take it personally at all. I think what's getting lost in translation is that we aren't really defending cold approaches, but talking about how some people are called creepy and treated like dirt while others aren't for the same behavior. You're totally allowed to be annoyed by cold approaches. As long as you're judging a person's behavior on the merit of the behavi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 06:06 PM
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Ok maybe. But that has nothing to do with the question. I answered the question she asked, not whether cold opens are a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 04:38 PM
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I don't know who "they" is but I've never met them or seen them. I'm explaining what people are actually saying. Why would you think standards are supposed to be equal? ?? Because otherwise it's a double standard? Because that makes you a hypocrite and means your judgment is suspect? I don't get why that's the hill you choose to die on, that's elementary. You wouldn't like double standards either, especially under false pretenses. You don't need to lil bro me ... You literally said "explain like…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 04:36 PM
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That's moving the goal posts. The question wasn't about people who cold approach vs those who establish mutual attraction. The question was about unattractive people who cold approach. Let's compare apples to apples, my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 04:22 PM
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Is anyone arguing that women should be open to literally every man's advances? Because that feels like a total straw man. I've never seen anyone say that. I think you might be misunderstanding what people are saying. People who have an issue with it aren't upset that women have standards or aren't dating every man. The issue they have is that women often characterize someone as creepy despite the same exact behavior being seen as attractive when done by someone else. It's the double inconsistent…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 04:01 PM
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Hey I just wanted to say that you seem like a really good person and it makes me happy there are people like you in the world. My advice going forward would be to try to reinforce the idea that you're both working together and contributing as a team. That you contributing financially is not charity or pity, but you doing your part in a healthy relationship based on love and mutual care. What's good for the wellbeing of each is good for the wellbeing of both, and that support comes in many forms.…
/r/MensRights26/11/22 07:13 PM
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