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I’m interested. If you accept there is a problem. And I believe there is and believe most do also, what is you’re solution if you fundamentally disagree with Red-Pill? Because I see so many bitchy putdowns that whilst funny and true won’t solve anything whatsoever. Does it not interest or even annoy you that those would disparage but not seek to improve? I can choose to buy it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 04:16 AM
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I want a competing vision not sympathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 03:58 AM
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Ha ha too grand too dignify this thread then.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 03:52 AM
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What do you think they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 03:39 AM
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Game is based on evolutionary psychology and I’d argue the opposite - letting anti-social men loose on a club environment with no Game knowledge whatsoever is sending soldiers into battle with no bullets. I think as a pill-neutral step in the right direction we could be more open about the transient nature of personality as I don’t think I was alone in assuming the “either got it or haven’t” nature of attraction. I don’t think guys want to give up but if you genuinely don’t know attraction can b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 03:20 AM
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Ugly women arguably have it as bad as ugly men due to more of their SMV being looks-based. I think you need to define ugly as well as you can be a 6”4 ugly rugby player. You can be an ugly rock star, ugly criminal. Ugly CEO. In no way does ugliness preclude alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/18 01:03 AM
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Men get a lot of mixed messages in Western culture. Mainstream media tends to mock traditional masculine archetypes as dangerous and ridiculous buffoons whilst vaunting new men with their sensitivity and female styles of communication. To assume this has no effect is to be ignorant. This is precisely why RPers call feminism a “society-wide shit test”: those who by nature, nurture, by hook or crook resist the urge the be this new man are the victors and to them the spoils. Of course this is furth…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 11:28 PM
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Any true RPer takes no notice of what they say anyway ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 11:14 PM
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About 27-29. That’s when I stopped caring about what other people thought.
/r/TheRedPill21/03/18 11:07 PM
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You continue to surprise. This is all too common in those who subscribe to the prevailing Western political orthodoxy but as we’re here this is pretty much it it sexual terms: professional empathisers with their victimhood hierarchies have an endless supply ready for say educated, professional upper middle class women but mention the existence of incels and watch them become baying spectators of blood sport at the Colosseum. Why being genetically disenfranchised is so wildly different from being…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 11:04 PM
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Normal people are boring
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 10:44 PM
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Who was it who said “a male feminist is someone in dire need of a shag”?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 06:20 PM
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Harems depend on hypergamy. Which men have them? Why those men?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 03:35 AM
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I really like “sexual welfare state” it’s better than my “regulated SMP” hands down. Sounds initially ridiculous. That’s what it was though. Allowing socially awkward yet manically horny teens a chance at regular intimacy with all the necessary benefits you mention (validation, status, affection etc) not to mention the wider societal benefits. I believe my teenage sexual loneliness contributed greatly to my nihilism and lack of early educational and career attainment. The Manosphere is what happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 02:37 AM
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That was my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 02:22 AM
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Found RP a few years ago when my new and sweet-seeming girlfriend revealed herself as “one of them girls” as a youngster (went out just for the attention, cockteased, wore extraordinarily revealing tops, pics “still now” on social media of her being groped on dancefloors and on holiday “yeah but they were my mates having a laugh”). Found Game a decade earlier and it changed my life almost literally making me attractive over night as I had the shell of an attractive man (good looking, well dresse…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 01:30 AM
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Men have a lot more options than women providing they know the rules. If he reads RP/Game literature, lifts and works on his body language and posture he should do fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 01:11 AM
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Patriarchy brilliantly utilised sexual insensitive to create civilisation. The countries which never got past alpha fucks/hypergamy/harems are painfully evident.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 01:01 AM
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Women at peak fertility are most strongly drawn to the dark triad characteristics of narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy. Aka the “bad boy phase” This is innate but social constraints have greatly masked this in the past. Maybe interestingly many of the biggest critics of this much more natural approach tended to be women (mother, grandmother, aunt, female elders).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/18 12:51 AM
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BP men are simply men with early/innate RP intuition.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 12:55 PM
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Actions not words.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 12:42 PM
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You post perfectly demonstrates why you did well with girls and it’s nothing to do with the points you raise - you lack empathy, self-awareness and the ability to analyse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 12:35 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 12:22 PM
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Because of the tiny minority of men who do it, those who do look to brag.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 03:08 AM
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I’m sure you’re aware really that simply not being ugly or not being boring will not guarantee a man attractive. BP does work but only for people naturally confident, idgaf and with an understanding of frame (the most important part imo).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 03:07 AM
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On related note it’s interesting to note a major contradiction within some feminists: “I don’t need a man” - correct “But men need us lol”- arguable to some but I personally agree Then skips away to write about how all power is in the hands of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 02:50 AM
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I wonder why
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 02:39 AM
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For starters RP wasn’t designed to benefit women even if it does benefit women more than feminism benefits men. There are two others issues why low-tiered women are not given much airtime. The first being that generally speaking low value women innately have what RP disseminates - a knowledge of how to create attraction and arousal in the opposite sex. This is why a great manospherian saying is women “learn Game from the age of 12.” The other reason is it so much harder to be unattractive as a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 02:36 AM
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This is your caricature and not reality. Men fail because there standards are too low not too high. Displaying high standards is itself a rare and alpha trait as only alphas really have a great deal of choice. Having low or no standards is the hallmark of the desperate betas who gets a crush over any girl just being friendly. To put another way if 7 chases a 9 but then acts aloof and disinterested around a 5, he’ll probably end up fucking the 5. If the same 7 chases the 5 it’s hello sexual frust…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/18 01:27 AM
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Interesting and I think we’re sort of both saying the same thing broadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 10:09 PM
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Spot on with first paragraph. I’ve often argued BPs are just people who were RPd at a young age.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 04:30 PM
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Game (as Neil Strauss mentioned in The Game) is by definition counterintuitive to most men. If you take the Pareto Principle to be a rough but imperfect guide then Game works precisely because it is extraordinary. A young man needs intimacy and female companionship. He tries in a guilelessly honest way to achieve this and fails consistently. He then learns Game which necessarily tells him to go against his natural instincts/desires: He acts like he’s the prize when he doesn’t believe it. He negs…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 04:18 PM
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You bring up a good point but I’m not sure you fully understand it (as condescending as that comes across). No one could fail too see the cocky egotists/rugby players/gang members get girls. We just hoped that some would be as fed up with those sorts men as they claimed/someone out there for everyone. We thought attraction would be more idiosyncratic. Game has if nothing else taught me it’s really quite narrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 04:05 PM
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Yeah I was being slightly tongue in cheek about the last part as I doubt the genuineness of the anti-nice Guy stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 08:17 AM
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So you’re saying I’m judging her by Male standards of self esteem which differ from female ones/women don’t require self esteem in their hierarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 06:06 PM
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That wasn’t prostitution it was raping children. And the authorities didn’t care because the victims were white and perpetrators were Muslim.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 06:02 PM
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Enjoyable article in on full agreement. Young women in my view hold far too much power over young men and making prostitution much more safe, widespread and socially acceptable would massively benefit men from spiralling into dark, deep pits of frustration and necessarily stop at least some of the nice guy behaviour that women evidently despise.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 05:53 PM
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I’m a strange juxtaposition here whereby I’m generally red but find curvier/Rubenesque/fatter women attractive. I think the anger comes from the fact there is no “self-esteem empowerment” movement for men and insecure men have it much much worse than bigger women in the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 05:44 PM
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Theoretically in terms of a person’s past I’d forgive sluttery (to a point) but never cockteasery. There’s a honesty to the former and a nastiness to the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 05:38 PM
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Not only. But my original point was what you suggest is already happening in the 16-30 bracket. Which is why many young men struggle to get relationships. Women don’t need safety at 21 so don’t seek it. Young men have to be lucky, observant, learn Game or a combination. But you’re right to point out the leverage of commitment. This is why most men join the party relatively late because finally they have something women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 05:21 PM
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Men are much better at this than women and for entirely logical biological reasons. Many women will struggle to call a dominant man with alpha body language ugly even if other men can see he is a mile off. Conversely there a plenty of good looking betas who do precisely as badly as their uglier counterparts. Men have the ability to distinguish hence the good looking girl with low self esteem is an eternal phenomenon with no masculine equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 05:13 PM
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Alpha Fucks, Bets Bucks. The former has nothing to do with marriage being my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 02:45 PM
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AFBB this is PPD after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 02:39 PM
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Does that invalidate it for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 10:28 AM
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The hoe comeuppance is unfortunately a trp revenge fantasy. Sluts have it WAY easier in every sense than nice guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 09:01 AM
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Both genders like attention but men need it to lead somewhere whereas women would prefer it if it didn’t. This is why a “good night out” for a young woman can be identical to “a procession of nasty cockteases” from a man’s perspective. One of the reasons young women can seem so cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 08:59 AM
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Young women have stopped caring about marriage. The Red Pill’s theory of AF works well on these women and is completely independent (even anathema) to marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/18 08:53 AM
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The dictionary definition of meekness quotes “submissiveness”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 02:33 AM
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They aren’t. Stoicism means being the master of your internal realm. Not letting external events affect your mindset. Not letting anything or anyone, by action or deed, have any control over you or your worth. Not giving a fuck essentially. Meekness is submissiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 01:01 AM
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Is that addressing me?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 07:52 PM
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That’s a hell of a lot of assumptions for young man lacking confidence and experience. Assuming he can read signals to know who to ask. Assuming they’ll say yes. Assuming he’ll know how to flirt. The nice guy only comes across as cowardly because he values her opinion and doesn’t want to embarrass both parties. Also he does not have the ego to assume attraction. I’ve been the “cowardly” nice guy. And I was never after someone’s pants I wanted love and a relationship. Just wasn’t sure girls liked…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 05:53 PM
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Do you imagine stoicism means meekness?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 05:22 PM
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No there are plenty of naturally stoic alphas it’s just it’s a very useful skill to learn
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 04:18 PM
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Largely of course but stoicism for example is masculine but not violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 03:31 PM
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You didn’t need to it’s implied.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 02:07 PM
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Each to their own I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 01:48 PM
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“Regressive Left” is a term coined by British author, counter-extremist activist and former Islamist himself Maajid Nawad and relates to ideological inconsistency, cultural relativism and an inability to confront uncomfortable truth. Although obscurists have been known to mis attribute it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 01:46 PM
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In the same way that women don’t want a man “to” cheat, but want to be with a man who “could” cheat (charisma, social proof and so on...) women don’t necessarily want to be overpowered by a dominant brute but want a man who gives off that he has it in his locker to be a dominant brute. I agree wholeheartedly with the notion that feminism is a society wide shit test for men: “Be polite, be patient, be a gentleman, keep your hands to yourself, respect me implicitly” (as nauseum) only ever leads to…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 01:32 PM
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Masculinity is not just violent aggression.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 12:13 PM
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It is ubiquitous because historically speaking that was the only sex that was happening and women have evolved to be pragmatic about such things. It is hushed up because a) society fears it would make men more rapey and b) it wars against the feminist notion of the strong woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 12:00 PM
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There is only only way really. And that’s to check with reality. Asshole game for example, works. I think the main fault with trp is not that it’s false but that it much like feminism it only focuses on one gender’s weaknesses and this inevitably leads to a slightly warped worldview. You start to think school was shit just because of girls when school was shit because you have low self esteem and there were plenty of nice girls and plenty of scummy boys and a couple of those girls probably fanci…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/18 08:41 AM
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Anxiety
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/18 04:59 PM
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Growing up as a eunuch would’ve been eminently convenient and beneficial. Now I can get the sex easy I don’t have the constant crazy urge for it (such is life).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/18 11:42 PM
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I can expand quite a bit not least because I grew up good looking but very modestly placed on the dominance hierarchy. For a start many on here (usually women) will say “You obviously were not as good looking as you thought you were.” They are wrong. And they are wrong because when a women describes a man as “good looking” she may truly believe she is talking solely about his looks but she is not. She is necessarily commenting on his confident body language/alpha demeanour. This is precisely why…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/18 02:22 AM
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You’d be surprised how unimportant looks are if you aren’t confident/alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 06:20 PM
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I cannot for the life of understand why anyone with an enquiring mind would not at least “occasionally” find the nature of being depressing? It absolutely is depressing. Bad people winning/good people losing is depressing to anyone with the ability to concentrate. We rise above it but claiming it’s only depressing to the fringes is just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 03:57 PM
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We think it shouldn’t work because we’ve been lied to. Red-Pill simply teaches might is right. You can bend morals but strength is strength and weakness is weakness. It does have a kind of beauty eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/18 03:53 PM
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Relate oh so well to “... girls aren’t what my mother told me they’d be.” I’d go slightly further as people aren’t what my mother told me they’d be. Difference being you realise this quite early on in a very physical manner from males.
/r/TheRedPill09/03/18 03:45 PM
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“I have a pet lizard”
/r/TheRedPill09/03/18 12:41 PM
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Absolutely not but in my experience the standards for young women were exceptionally low due to Male sexual thirst and women showing your bravery and pro-action got rewarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 03:10 PM
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This is the received wisdom but an utter myth and most certainly projection. Almost all men grow up getting used for attention/ego validation/friendzoned so are very cautious about this. Only a small minority of early developers with big egos want to be played.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 03:05 PM
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Agree to a point. It’s just due to Male sexual thirst (and no great moral issue) attraction generally speaking isn’t as hard for most women to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 01:58 PM
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This is not a personal comment but young men want anything. In fact as been discussed on here the problem young men have is their standards are too low leading to unattractive behaviours.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 01:56 PM
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You had more balls than me in school (assuming you don’t mean evening classes). I can only react with surprise to this. Most men I’ve met really appreciate this. Maybe it was ballsy and public a quiet text would’ve sorted things? Maybe they were alpha and drowning in options? Or maybe I’m wrong? Just doesn’t fit with what I’ve witnessed through life. I’ve gone out with women who’ve made the first move and so have many acquaintances. In fact one of the problems of the teenage nice guy is he think…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 01:12 PM
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Fully agreed on last paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 01:03 PM
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It’s true. Nearly all the problems in the sexualsphere exist because of an assumed similarity between the sexes (nice guy being the perfect girlfriend for example). Definitely on the money about men being repulsed by women who play hard to get. It’s like our teens all over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 01:00 PM
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Who were you asking out? How did you do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 12:54 PM
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Men absolutely do want straightforward women. Men absolute not want women who play hard to get. This is obvious. To the vast majority of adolescent boys almost all women are playing hard to get. This isn’t easily forgotten. Virtually all women consciously or not act like players in their teens. Old story of power and corruption. It is impossible to differentiate between a woman playing hard to get and someone who is using you for ego validation. If you are female I think you have proved the OP r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 12:49 PM
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You must be around a hundred years old,
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:33 AM
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If that were true then 6”4 dealers would do worse than geeky IT types.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/18 09:31 AM
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They absolutely do. They just don’t understand their market. They think gentlemanly over cad. If it was about qualities then Game wouldn’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 08:03 AM
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Nice guys are not boring. Sublimation built fucking civilisation. Why on earth would you have bothered if you had a harem?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 08:00 AM
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TRP is thankfully nuanced enough not to blame women for having the temerity to follow their biological instincts. I do think it’s a positive that we are now seeing dating advice separated by gender. Most does not work universally. “Be yourself” “There’s someone out there for you” - female orientated as are generally attractive by default. “You must learn to love yourself before you can love anyone else” - male orientated. Women absolutely do not need to love themselves to find love.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 07:57 AM
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Go away and read feminism. All feminism. Including Ali, Sommers and Paglia. Then get back to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 07:46 AM
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What university are you in/did you go to? To be fair I don’t think you alone could be responsible for such bilge.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/18 05:19 AM
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Yes it’s a thing. It’s an ideology with no respect for facts or history. It’s an ideology which never considers why it chooses to attack the very civilisation which made it possible in the first place. It’s an ideology which stirs up hatred and holds half the world in contempt. It’s an ideology of the adolescent - ungrateful, ignorant and full of righteous anger. It’s an ideology which conveniently ignores men sacrificing their health, giving their lives to their women and children since time im…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/18 08:22 PM
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You tell me how patriarchy is gender slavery. Looking forward to it. Tell you what start off by telling me what the patriarchy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/18 07:47 PM
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Life is slavery by gender. Patriarchy is what happens when order and relative safety defeat brutal and violent chaos. We’re just a bit too pampered and ignorant to understand that in our smug modern superiority complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/18 09:47 AM
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Very interesting and put simply; you’re right. I think we should look at this as order versus chaos, with order as classically and symbolically masculine and chaos similarly feminine. I’d argue patriarchy is the masculine quest to create order. Open hypergamy is the feminine embrace of chaos. It is absolutely no coincidence in my opinion that many manospherians call trp a female sexual strategy. No coincidence that many men consider it utterly counterintuitive. No coincidence that Red-Pillers fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/18 09:39 AM
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This is a myth perpetuated by both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/18 03:31 AM
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Generally speaking most men would’ve been better being women. It statistically improves your chances of reproducing for a start.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 05:58 PM
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No but they get it the wrong way round. Even some seemingly Blue Pill cliches get this. “You must learn to love yourself before loving anyone else” One of only a tiny minority of mainstream dating cliches to apply to men and not women. Droves of women don’t love themselves but find love. Of course you’re right. Women are a consequence of positive emotions and body language. Positive emotions and body language are consequences of status, success and contentment/happiness. The Red Pill reminds us …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 01:45 PM
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The endgame of Red Pill is stoicism. This is entirely the point. It was never really about women. This is why people like Jordan Peterson are so phenomenally (and deservedly) popular. I think you make a great point about the access to information specifically the lives of others. One shouldn’t underestimate envy. It has been the source of arguably every revolutionary movement. The average women in the modern West really does have it much easier than the average man in terms of relationships and …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 12:12 PM
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Theorising on a forum which encourages theorising? Really? Anti-depressant and cigarette companies used to use data to back their theories up. A lot. Scientific as well. In fact the former still does.
/r/TheRedPill01/03/18 12:38 PM
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In my hometown absolutely. But also to be better at violence although you could make an argument that too is a consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 11:35 PM
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Yes. When we consider good looks we often project. We think of someone with soft features, someone “easy-on-the-eye” is good looking. What women consider good looks is often men with harsh features. Took me a long time to fully realise that. An ugly hyper masculine looking man is “better looking” to women than a good looking man with soft features.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 11:18 PM
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Life is struggle and shit unless you’re very very lucky. Game is a pathway to success. If you never had to consciously change yourself to be attractive to women then great. But due to living in highly feminised culture with many ignorant/weak parents, the number of naturals is getting smaller and smaller. It’s getting more and more common for men to learn attraction like they learn to drive. Seems alien at first but eventually you find “your” way of doing it and it becomes part of who you are. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 02:36 PM
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People need to consider there are two distinct types of Red Pill man. The beta’d and the cheated. The former is your typical nice guy who pedestalised women and got nowhere. The latter is often attractive/alpha but had his heart ripped out by his dreamgirl leaving/cheating. These don’t relate to each very well for a start.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 01:59 PM
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Loads of it. IMO its all pretty much up for debate bar attraction. It has nailed this worts and all. If you point a microscope anywhere you will find bacteria. And most people are shitty regardless of gender. But it’s window into female sexuality is revolutionary.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 01:55 PM
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It’s definitely ego boost/adrenaline rush over sexual satisfaction. Which is why many women who share the ego/adrenaline/emotional rush side of things with men but not the sexual craving prefer it. I used to find casual sex awkward now I find it cheap. Nothing beats someone who knows you for pure sexual bliss.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/18 01:49 PM
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They discuss men more harshly than the reverse. A lot more contempt. With men it can be nasty but it’s mostly bravado/one upmanship. If you’ve ever heard how women discuss exes with you. That’s how they talk amongst themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 10:01 PM
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I’m saying if he’s chases the 9/10, acts disinterested at best around the 3/10 he can and probably will end up fucking the 3/10. If he chases the 3/10 it’s hello sexual frustration. Hence my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 01:22 PM
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I hope the nice guy dies. And I’d be so intrigued to see what the sexualsphere looks like without him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 01:17 PM
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This is what you want to believe but is not real. In fact the reverse is. Men don’t fail because they have high standard. Men fail because they have low standards. “A funny thing about life, if you refuse to accept anything but the best, you very often get it.” Somerset Maugham. The reverse is even more true.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 01:13 PM
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Read Camille Paglia. She gets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 01:09 PM
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I didn’t realise I was being so serious
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/18 11:54 PM
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Some of us have many more crazy youthful stories than you just none that ended (or began) by waking up next to anyone ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/18 11:09 PM
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Most men do not/can not “hook up”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/18 10:45 PM
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Agreed to a point. Banter is pretty natural but only a minority (sizeable or otherwise) pulled that off well with any practical effect with girls growing up. Most wouldn’t have dreamed of negging a girl they liked.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/18 01:35 PM
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Woah... where to start with this one? Naturals are not normal. The majority of the men who ever existed have no direct descendants today. It is not normal or average or expected to be attractive to women. Both science and our observations teach us this. Secondly it is perfectly possible, normal even, to be able to interact with people and not be attractive to women. It’s a common cliche on here normality equals attraction. No breaking normality does that. Game does not normalise it specialises. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/18 11:11 AM
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That’s what I love about Game. It transplants the knowledge of the natural into the brains of those less fortunate. It makes relationships and affection more democratic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 08:54 AM
3

I do think women who have been more sexually generous with ONS scumbags than their saintly husbands should be hung, drawn and quartered though ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 05:06 PM
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I think the crux of the disgust at AF/BB is that when men do it they think less of the slutty hot chick (never girlfriend/wife material) and more of the nice, supportive, best friend they marry. With women this is the opposite. This is the stereotype in any case.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 05:03 PM
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I don’t agree at all. And I’m not just talking about me. Saying the 23 year old will experience women wanting nothing to do with him is an extreme. As is saying college is the best time for easy ass. Extreme late developer v extreme early developer. Me and my mates did Ibiza at 18 (no chance), 19 (no chance), 24 (hmm some of us), 29 (staggeringly effortless). We went mainly for the music and the laugh each time but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 04:54 PM
1

The classic case of the balding, out of shape ex bad boy with no prospects. Almost all other men will improve to 33 maybe bar a few early developers who’ve let themselves go.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 04:44 PM
3

33 unless you’re a criminal
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/18 02:48 PM
1

Who’s doing the harassing in the West though?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 02:40 PM
1

It’s difficult to put my finger on it as years of self-improvement (not just manosphere stuff) has changed me so much. It’s more marked in stuff I do do. I always found negs and cocky banter to be viscerally disgusting behaviours but incorporated them into my arsenal to both help my love life and to nullify bullies (which it has on both counts).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 02:37 PM
1

Apologies about lumping you in with “nice as evil” crowd. Battle scars. I’ll flip this authenticity argument. I recently made a post about my struggle to respect both myself, my girlfriend and all women who have been attracted to me since my mid twenties because I no longer feel authentic. I was a nice guy. Still am really but just a nice guy who is all too conscious of how niceness is interpreted. Read The Game aged 20 and boy did I need it. Never knew there existed such strategies thought you …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 11:04 AM
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The “rebuttal” is pretty embarrassing even without the nasal Scouse accent. Black Pigeon is wrong because the Japanese women who “slept with the enemy” chose to rationalise it THEMSELVES in THEIR OWN WORDS as if they had no choice. Funny that. He lost me at his deliberate obfuscation of economic migrants and refugees which he shares with the mainstream media. It’s not fooling anyone. Was it lesbians and children groping and assaulting women on New Years Eve in Germany?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 09:51 AM
1

Yes it’s definitely a mix. But nowhere near as looks-oriented as Black Pillers attest to. I’m guilty of discounting looks because they were worse than useless to me pre-game but really I have it good now as only a bit of lifting and alpha body language makes it effortless. But looks without any game is a car without a fuel.
/r/TheRedPill19/02/18 06:13 PM
0

You use them. You need them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 02:15 PM
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My experiences are pretty much the total opposite of this. Looks without game got me nowhere. You describe you’re mate who got called cute. Did she fuck him? I got called cute, good looking... you name it (the dreaded “sweet” a lot) but without any alpha confidence or idgaf they still don’t wanna fuck you. They’d still rather fuck the ugly alpha over the good looking nice guy. Looks is huge. And I wasn’t a muscled-bound 6”4 of muscle and jaw but a good looking nice guy will struggle to get anyth…
/r/TheRedPill19/02/18 01:16 PM
1

I write from the perspective of a lonely and clueless young person. I remember and I empathise. There is no need to keep trying to tell me how things are. The anger is really frustration. You don’t miss what you’ve never had. Then Game teaches that with a few rather facile and ridiculous behaviours you can have what you’ve always craved. You can have attention, affirmation and a relationship. It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t see Red Pill men as ever having been good and I find it instructiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 01:08 PM
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Not only do I have the ability to see and speak the self-evident i can also see the slightly less obvious. You don’t even believe what you’re parroting it’s just politically expedient. “No no it’s not violent, criminal bullies who are abusing their partners...” You are funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 12:18 PM
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Intelligence is not necessarily unattractive it’s more neutral. If he’s alpha it’s a plus. If he’s geeky not. But no ones gonna stop fucking an alpha because he’s intelligent or start fucking a nerd because he too is intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 09:31 AM
1

I’m reminded of a line from Curb Your Enthusiasm - “...yeah you wear that top cos you want people to look at your shoes right”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 09:19 AM
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Also as “a man’s perspective” eloquently pointed out before - it is politically expedient to do so. Nice guys tend to be mostly white. Gangsta-rapping misogynists tend not to be. Islamists who want women treated as second class citizens tend not to be. White rapists are definitely white but I’d imagine they wouldn’t give two fucks what feminists say and don’t normally have problems getting girls either due to hyper-masculinity. Nice guy is the perfect easy target from every angle.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 09:16 AM
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What absolute bollocks ha ha! Most men who abuse women are also (surprise) men with lengthy criminal records for violence. Only on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 09:08 AM
5

People like easy targets.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/18 09:03 AM
2

I wouldn’t say liking someone and wanting to make them happy means they don’t respect themselves. As I’ve mentioned on here I’ve run into many “nice girls” and “nice girl behaviour” since my mid twenties. One used to bring me in home cooked food into work. I didn’t think “doesn’t respect herself” I thought thanks and how cute. She clearly likes me. A lovely compliment. All the nice guys I seem to know are charming individuals who are nice to most people. If they like a girl and she makes them fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 12:48 PM
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The problem with Glover’s book is he was talking about behaviours “whilst in a relationship” where no doubt men do nice things in the hopes of reciprocation just as women do. But many have taken “covert contracts” as a cast iron rod to beat nice or unattractive men with. As I’ve said before nice guys (I don’t know any of the fake ones myself) want relationships. They don’t want what the players want. They want their “one”. And to have lots of sex with her obviously. Now when you really fall for …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 11:56 AM
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I’ll touch on this again because it really gets to the root of the issue bypassing much of the subsequent Blue v Red stuff. I heard about a poll conducted by Red Pill men (may’ve been PUA) and an almost statistically impossible amount had an older sister or sisters. Virtually zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 11:41 AM
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You’re right it is much deeper than the rather facile behaviours listes but as you allude to they will work better than the much more authentic and natural nice guy routine. And that kind of pisses us off. Mark Manson gets it right about it not being what you say, what you’re wearing or how you look but about your internal mindset on a much more fundamental level. So I used to wonder how on earth can I be nice, good looking, funny etc and still always manage to say/do the wrong thing when there …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 11:26 AM
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Yup. Women’s approach to dating mirrors the Groucho Marx quote: “I wouldn’t want to be part of any club which wanted me as a member” Which I’ve never understood which probably explains why I did so badly with women as well as a youngster! Surely being wanted is good? Anyway we’re older and wiser now. Rollo would or has probably said something like “Its not in women’s hypergamic interest to believe nice guys are actually nice”
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 08:38 AM
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It never occurs to many on PPD that nice expressions can be authentic. And sadly sometimes putting on fake anti-niceness (whilst in no way ideal) is a better way achieving intimacy and relationships. Often even without any formalised game nice guys almost give up on women and ironically this cynicism makes them more attractive as unintentionally flicks many attraction switches. I know many men this applies to. There’s a quote from a British politician which goes something like: “Only when you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 08:31 AM
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That makes no sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 08:20 AM
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Cos the Male ones always turn out to be creeps
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 08:19 AM
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I’m not talking about feminists. Blue Pill delusions are men’s not women’s. That’s the point. Saying you must change or you won’t get affection is not quite saying the more relaxed be yourself IS saying stagnate. We say change your looks yes but we don’t really acknowledge personality as being as transient as it is. Now the bit where I get talked to (nicely I may add) like I’m autistic. You’re right though. I was good looking, popular, funny but didn’t get the “act super confident, act alpha mal…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 05:44 PM
2

Did you read my title?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 05:26 PM
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Where did I say stagnate? But you bring up a good point in the stupid bit... Yeah some of us had no idea swaggering about the club like a cocky prick, shooting out negs, being aloof, flexing your options was a great way to make people attracted to you. In fact I’d say idealistic rather than stupid but a good point nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 05:16 PM
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We were all called faggots such was school. Like I said I never ever thought being nice was enough. I thought it was a good addition to my looks and humour which got me complimented and not fucked then and complimented and fucked now. No no older cousin, brother or friend ever gave me any advice about girls. Clearly lol. First bits were in a book at 20. I just didn’t realise women’s attraction cues were so different. I could fall for a good looking and funny friend. They tend not to. Count yours…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 05:07 PM
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I’m not sure. I believe my mother coached me into being as scared of the world as she was when I was young to try and keep me safe. A lot of life experience and reading I suppose. Plus I didn’t have the energy for it any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 04:50 PM
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But you’re sort of agreeing with me in fact. Did I make mistakes? You bet. But my projections of similarity were based on no knowledge to the contrary. My point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 03:08 PM
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I’m only human. Bit it wasn’t addressing the specifics of my being.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 03:02 PM
1

What do you mean? When?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 03:00 PM
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No (again) I thought they’d be attracted to me because I was good looking. Being nice is the way I was raised to get to know people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 02:59 PM
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What rules was I following by keeping fit, dressing well, having a laugh, going out, being sociable? I wish I was disciplined enough for rules at that age. You’ve got this completely the wrong way round. Only when I stumbled upon Game literature at 20 did I have any clue there existed such rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 02:56 PM
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Ok I was using flowery language just plain nicer!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 02:47 PM
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Wrong. I thought they’d like me for my looks and humour. Which they did. But no more than like.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 02:46 PM
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Ha ha first off calm down. You’ve projected, not me. People don’t believe me on this but I was actually good looking, well dressed and sociable growing up. Just didn’t get the alpha body language bits, didn’t understand what was so terrible about being into someone and never played hard to get or used push-pull. I was guilelessly honest with occasional subconscious supplications. I gave a fuck essentially. I don’t now thankfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 02:34 PM
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The Blue Pill benefits those naturally attractive. This just happens to include more women than men. The Red Pill even things up somewhat.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 02:16 PM
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Sort of. It’s a description of the status quo that most of us never questioned. It has a specific time and place. It would not describe the culture in the past nor many other parts of the world right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 02:13 PM
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Il defer to you on the subject of sociopathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/18 02:00 PM
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1) Calm down. Maybe go for a run 2) PUA was the genesis of men understanding female sexuality.
/r/TheRedPill08/02/18 06:56 AM
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Yes. What almost all non-alphas want is a relationship in any case. With plenty sex of course. It’s precisely as difficult and for the exact same reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 04:55 PM
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You are confusing two issues I think. A man who is tall, muscular and square-jawed only needs to lack any supplications for him to be attractive. In fact he may well be very nice as he may well live in a different world to most of us. If you take two identical Mr Averages looks/height-wise then being Mr Nice will be heavily and viscerally penalised next to Mr IDGAF. Mr IDGAF’s natural idgafness will trigger assumptions of hypergamic superiority. Mr Nice’s natural altruism will be conflated with …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 02:59 PM
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Yes it is it’s optimising her potential for the best genes and the best resources. Trading up biologically, financially or otherwise. This is hypergamy. A lot of people only see the AF side of it because the welfare state and to a lesser degree her parents. If those safety nets weren’t there then the BB element would be far more important as it was in the past and in some other cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 11:37 AM
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Hypergamy!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 11:28 AM
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And in that new pool who will be chosen?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 11:19 AM
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Prioritising and maximising optimum short term breeding potential when necessary then prioritising comfort, provisioning and financial stability when that becomes necessary are both examples of trading up, do you not think?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 11:15 AM
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AF/BB IS hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 10:57 AM
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In my hometown virtually the only young males reproducing are criminals. This is in part of course due to women going for dark triad characteristics at their fertile peak/alpha fucks but also because the type of women going for these men are not the brightest/safest/most ambitious themselves. Also pressure from attractive non criminal young men not to have the responsibility of kids themselves whilst the former living true to the idgaf. Not sure that’s what the free love lot had in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/18 10:14 AM
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Women would actually be a lot happier if they compared themselves a man of an equivalent attraction level. But they don’t they compare themselves to hotter women and apex alphas so are not happy either. What you’ve said is 100% true but its important to remember “a woman” or the average women has the capacity to satisfy any man. The reverse isn’t true. They seem to have it so much better but being a high value man is more rewarding than being a high value woman because most women are or can be h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 11:00 PM
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Fat women do far better than insecure men. BBW fetish is not even really niche anymore whereas no women finds a man lacking confidence attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 04:44 PM
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Top tier men are having more sex. The hardest hit are young non-alpha men. With natural observations, practice and RP/Game knowledge this evens itself out a bit from late twenties on as well as women maturing/looking to settle down/beta bux.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 04:41 PM
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Of course they can. Although unless you believe RP stuff is literal witchcraft it has come from somewhere. And that is by observing how attractive people of both genders successful operate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 04:07 PM
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Women have been totally freed from traditional gender roles AND share an instinctual understanding of inter-gender dynamics. Men have been partially freed from traditional gender roles (which ironically have only served to make them less attractive) and the vast majority have absolutely zero understanding of inter-gender dynamics. To summarise here’s Roosh with my favourite manosphere quote: “Men now are where women were in 1961”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 12:17 PM
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Hypergamy is born out of the imbalance between each gender’s need for each other. Men drop down to get their needs met. Women don’t share these needs so have no reason to. In modern Western civilisation multiply this tenfold. So no bottom tier women do not have it worse than bottom tier men as they do not need a man like a man needs a woman. Hypergamy necessarily places men at the bottom of any pyramid in any case.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 11:36 AM
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How many Red Pill men do you know in real life? I’m not offended I just know you’re wrong. Taking the Red Pill is learning about and accepting the harsh laws and uncomfortable truths of attraction. Things a minority of men and a majority of women understand instinctively. Of course they use their understanding of women to manipulate/get what they want. They share this in common with everyone else on the planet. Attractive women use their understanding of men to don make-up, push-up bras and sexy…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/18 10:34 AM
1

Intimacy is precisely what Red Pill men are looking for. And the Red Pill offers tools for achieving that because “being themselves” didn’t work. Red Pill men are not some monolith. That is clear. Even the vast majority of its detractors can see that. So it makes me wonder if it isn’t political expediency or blinding ideology preventing you from acknowledging this? There’s Married Red Pill, Red Pill men who had their soul mate cheat or leave them and Red Pill men whom women only ever wanted to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 08:53 PM
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Nice guys are the vast majority of men who think altruism is a good way to start a relationship/make someone like them. They are very simply men who do not understand attraction. “Nice Guys” are a feminist attack dog deployed to deal with the uncomfortable truths which Game and RP have unearthed. I’m opinion the better strategy would be to just admit attraction is amoral rather than to tie themselves in knots trying to pass off genuinely good but misguided men as malevolent. It’s not fooling any…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 05:49 PM
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Intelligence and looks are pretty useless in males without the necessary idgaf attitude. Intelligence specifically can lead to over thinking which is anathema to idgaf. Unless you are taking intelligence to mean streetwise ruthlessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 05:32 PM
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I’ve always “given too shits about women” regardless of my attraction to them but it’s pretty disappointing that since I’ve understood inter-gender dynamics (from the PUA stuff through to Red Pill) as a whole they’ve treated me miraculously better. Men learning Game and Red Pill absolutely does not cause women to treat them worse. Sorry. It should. But it doesn’t. And this actually is a source of frustration for manly newly Red-Pilled men “The old me was a better, more unique person so why does …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 05:16 PM
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The problem is men starting to realise en masse that there are some guys women break their rules for. Also upbringing/sexual history plays a massive part: If he was an early developer used to it being given away you may stand out by being prudent. Then again if he was a late bloomer and frustrated “friend” throughout his formative years making him wait just means your just another girl who used him for attention/ego boost without meeting him halfway. On balance id say attractive men would much r…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/18 04:20 PM
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You’re talking at me and debating yourself. So much so that you think I said men are warm and altruistic when I actually said this is how they feel and express attraction. “No gender likes being taken for granted” I’m out lol. You have no grasp on reality whatsoever. You don’t give two shits about unattractive men but then castigate them for being shitty to women. You seem like a caricature as you prove so many Red Pill points.q
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 11:02 PM
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Are you not able to debate without making bizarre assumptions? Does it make it easier for you to believe I’m some black pill incel? If you need to believe it that badly then fine you got me lol. I won’t make things any more confusing for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 08:00 PM
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I don’t know everything but I am pretty certain you don’t know what it’s like to be an unattractive man. Im reminded of the famous and much overplayed scene in “A Few Good Men” when Army Colonel Jack Nicholson tells idealistic lawyer Tom Cruise “The truth? You couldn’t handle the truth!” All Red-Pillers started off with Blue Pill ideals. Wanting a relationship. Wanting love. Wanting respect. Being “themselves”. Embodying every quality society told them was necessary to qualify for an intimate re…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 04:58 PM
1

I don’t wish to regulate it. I’m rolling with it these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 04:27 PM
1

You’re first point is interesting. A lot of girls on my Facebook would certainly disagree. Wishing they’d listened to their mothers about men. And come on are you new here? Nice guy is shorthand for “man who is clueless about attraction”. It’s also worth pointing out the Nice Guy/Jerk dichotomy was not made by a man: (Almost apologetically) “He’s such a nice guy but...” (With grudging grin and wild eyes) “He’s such a jerk but...” People filled in the rest. And of course you don’t have to be a je…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 04:25 PM
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You’ve picked a poor line of attack there as I normally get abuse from Black Pillers stemming from my belief that almost any man can become attractive if he reads, lifts and learns Game. “PUA Snake-Oil Salesmen” was a personal favourite. I really don’t know how you can draw those conclusions from me recognising the lot of the natural?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 04:11 PM
1

I wouldn’t be here if I did but not 100% why it’s relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/18 07:42 AM
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“There’s no intimacy in treating someone like shit” Negging. Indifference. Being emotionally unavailable. Being deliberately sparing with your attention. Flaking. These are pretty shitty ways to treat someone in my book. You might want to ponder why they are being learned. Humans, being typically lazy - do you think anyone would bother with these disgusting concepts if “being yourself” and “being nice” helped them meet their needs?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 11:54 PM
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Incels exist but definitionally their numbers will be far fewer in a regulated SMP. Undesirability will not necessarily be the handicap it is in the modern West given the choice will be taken out of the hands of teenage girls and handed to her parents and community. But I was specifically addressing nice guys. Nice guys are only unattractive because of how they behave. How they behave reflects what they believe. What they believe reflects what they were taught. We know this because it’s quite as…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 11:37 PM
1

“Nope” could be construed as quite condescending given I’m not sure you’re grasping my point. High masculine energy IS a natural gift. Think high T v low T. The natural’s natural impulses compel him into masculine endeavours. The John Lennon quote “If you’re lucky enough to enjoy your job you don’t have to do a days work in your life” comes to mind. He won’t find it hard work. No subreddit needs to tell him to lift nor book to learn Game.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 11:23 PM
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It’s remarkably simple: Feminism teaches that it’s year zero, traditional gender roles were a fallacious construct and women and men are the same really. Men, naturally desperate for a relationship, then use this “knowledge” to project “So what I find attractive they must to!” Men are lonely and confused. Red Pill says men and women are inherently different and have totally different attraction cues. Women will always desire hyper-masculinity and alpha dominance. Men understand and apply this - …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 04:02 PM
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If you think feminism has done nothing to these men, why do you think “nice guy syndrome” only occurs in feminised societies?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 03:52 PM
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A man who is naturally energetic, naturally combative and has height and a jaw will not have to “work hard” to be attractive. That’s the definition of the natural. His naturally personality is attractive. Or if you prefer his natural and early nurtured personality is effortlessly attractive. It is not effort it is who he is from a young age. I don’t subscribe to Roosh’s “Myth of the Natural” theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 03:48 PM
2

It took them that long? Cowards.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 03:06 PM
1

Meh
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 02:47 PM
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Feminism’s response is to shrug and assert that these men are only a very tiny minority. Feminism is not for the benefit of men. It’s cold and binary ethos has fertilised the ground ready for the Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 01:33 PM
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You touch on an often raised point about Chad being able to play the game like a woman. But this illustrates why he is extraordinary. He is in a minority of men who have options. Conversely having sexual options for a female is ordinary. Impressive is subjective. I prefer the term natural to Chad. I’d probably be more impressed by someone who didn’t get attractive handed to them on a silver plate and had to work hard to achieve it. But then that’s an admittedly biased self-indulgence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 01:26 PM
1

100%
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 10:48 AM
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Because Red Pill’s version of attraction happens to coincide with reality
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/18 07:39 AM
1

Honestly. Treat her with respect, kindness, generosity having been there in my youth and accept any sex on offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 11:59 PM
1

It’s denial men need women far more than vice versa and this is exactly why the manosphere exists. Of course in cavemen times you could argue the opposite but then it was only a handful of the most evil alphas got to mate anyway so “men” generally is a but inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 11:49 PM
1

Nice guys because might is right. They are worse cos they do worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 11:46 PM
1

Neither the nice guy nor Chad is manipulative. Manipulation in every definition refers to success, skill and cleverness. This rules tug nice guy out. Chad is attractive precisely because he lacks any desire to manipulate. He doesn’t give two fucks what girls think of him and this is his biggest asset. Though I do agree that nice guys out of confusion, misinformation and lack of knowledge end up attempting courtship like a woman. If you’re hot you’ll encounter an abundance of nice girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 11:45 PM
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Sort of. But my point is those dreams only ever become a reality for a select few in a deregulated SMP. Pareto Principles and that. A dream of mine was to find “the one”. But all the girls I fell for didn’t reciprocate. Then I learned about oneitis through PUA and everything started to make sense. Then I learned about hypergamy through Rollo Tomassi and things made even more sense. The dream was to be “myself” and find an amazing life partner. The reality was I had to become someone else at leas…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 11:35 PM
1

Yes it absolute works despite even us practitioners wishing that being ourselves and being patient, gentlemanly and kind worked better.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 11:08 PM
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If all Red-Pill men were those happy spinning plates forever in a series of associations that can barely be deemed relationships - you’d have a point. No most Red-Pill men wanted a Blue Pill life. We wanted to fall in love with our “best friend” in our teens, and have a deep, emotional relationship with plenty of physically intimacy. Failing that we wanted someone nice to share affection, intimacy and good times with. PUA Game and it’s cynical, learned brother Red-Pill have told us what’s been i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 11:02 PM
2

Yes absolutely
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 03:01 PM
1

If women started going for nice guys the world would change for the better overnight as the saying goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 03:04 PM
1

Swaggering around the club caring only about yourself is a ‘solution’ to sexlessness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/18 03:02 PM
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It’s also worth pointing out in the interest of fairness and honesty that a platonic relationship is not the same thing as it is to a man - women value platonic relationships with men far, far more than the reverse barring a few example. Yes we all have a few good mates who for whatever reason “it” didn’t happen with but boys don’t get much out of hanging around with girls minus any realistic or otherwise hope of sexual reward. Women often get a nonsexual buzz out if hanging around with men. The…
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 02:31 PM
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My girlfriend used to have mostly Male friends before way before me. And she wonders why their girlfriends/wives stopped contact? The saddest part is I think she genuinely thought they were here “mates”. I think for young, semi attractive girls it’s simply the easy option. She can be worshipped for doing nothing spectacular and not judged harshly in the way other girls do.
/r/TheRedPill24/01/18 08:18 AM
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It’s seems very common to patronise PUA and easily pick out it’s silly extremes but it was simply the genesis of men understanding female sexuality . Sex is the be all and end all if your not getting it. I owe a lot to those men. And though I was never going to say things like “If I weren’t gay you’d be so mine” “Do you think magic spells work?” their understanding of things like frame, negs, push-pull, cocky-funny is still as relevant as ever.
/r/TheRedPill23/01/18 04:23 PM
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Marriage was a religious institution designed in part to protect women but parroting pop-gender politics is always a good way cast doubt upon any and every premise. And sorry to burst your bubble but once unattractive men get their heads around the real and previously concealed intersexual rules at play - it really isn’t very hard to make a women want to have sex with you. But let’s focus on your implied righteousness of the “natural order”. Under the natural order women would need men. Under th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/18 07:17 AM
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Both is based on tingle and uncontrollable feeling. Whether they are acted upon is another thing. What’s interesting though is for women the alpha fux is generally accorded higher status and more respect in her mind than the beta bux. With men the hot dirty girl is very much NOT thought of highly and given more respect than the loving nurturing wife and mother. Ones a better man. The other simply a better shag.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 01:35 PM
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In all seriousness (which I’m not sure you’re aiming for) trp I believe can be both harmful and useful to all men. If you’re taking specifically about the learning of Game then no a man with a natural success with women is deemed a natural for that very reason and doesn’t need Game currently. That said it can be quite sad to witness the natural lose his mojo. This is unlikely with a learned practitioner. Also you’d be empirically wrong to state trp is for unattractive men. You might do better sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 05:14 AM
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But how dirty in bed is she? ;-)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 05:06 AM
0

Powerful men are the only men who gain from a more polygamous society. It’s entirely logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 05:02 AM
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I was very Blue-Pill (anti-dating websites, best to meet naturally) and also very nervous sober around girls as a kid so party environments were about the only chance I had. This may surprise Blues and Purps but trp is very much not into thinking Party girls are necessarily worse or better than any other type of girl. I’m sure even Rollo Tomassi wrote about seeing party girls turn into wives and mothers and vice versa. In fact I can relate somewhat to the latter in a sense. I feel I missed out o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 04:57 AM
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Interesting read and touches on much of current intersexual theory with the RP quote “women (naturally) have been learning Game since the age of twelve” immediately springing to mind. Also touches on why many men have to almost change personality to achieve relationships in the first place. But in my experience average women get chatted up more than above average women in the West. The starving Male libido is nothing if not pragmatic. Although those Males soon realise that those women too won’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/18 04:08 AM
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Word
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 10:32 PM
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How big are your muscles?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 10:11 PM
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Ha ha fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 03:09 PM
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Who is being deceived?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 03:09 PM
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I take it this is meant as a reply to the OP and not my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 02:27 PM
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How on can you be so sure they are pretending? It’s perfectly natural to want to be friends and lovers with someone you find attractive. It perfectly natural to want to get to know someone better you fancy - how else can you be sure you really like them and are compatible? How can you be “clear about your intentions” to others before they are clear to you? I much prefer it when girls befriend and get to know me first. Do you really consider all persons whose romantic efforts are not rushed, blun…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 01:22 PM
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That’s exactly what we’re talking about. And the fact that it’s being so heavily misconstrued is telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 01:01 PM
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But how would they know if they really liked me without getting to know me first? Without seeing if you were compatible? Difficult to argue against I know so if we agree on that how could you possibly tell the difference between that and lacking straightforwardness?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 09:54 AM
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No they don’t. And what’s interesting is the men who imply that they will act in a way beneficial to the woman are often discarded as low value. It’s a sort of counterintuitive gambit where selfishness is indicative of value. Not so long ago men had to marry to get sex. Now the more attractive ones have realised that LTRs are actually detrimental to a regular sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 09:47 AM
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You need to be more sexually selective.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 09:29 AM
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In terms of hassle and inconvenience - 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 09:27 AM
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Nah I prefer the girls who get to know me first and are friendly. I don’t like the ones who are egotistical and obnoxiously overt.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 09:26 AM
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A fuckboy plays the game like a woman essentially. He is attractive, has options and leverages his sexuality to meet his own needs while just doing the absolute minimum required to keep his harem/orbiters dangling. I used to dislike such people but you’ve got to give them a grudging respect. With all social constraints lifted from women he is perfectly placed to reap the rewards. The nice guy as covert contract maker is a big pile of stinking bullshit. His problem is he is an equalist. He tries …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 09:21 AM
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It’s interesting because we were all brought up to believe women were the fairer sex only to realise that they had simply been forced into “fairer” roles (wife and mother) which hid their true nature. Now we realise they are just like us but seem worse as it’s been common knowledge since year dot that we are all sex-crazed dogs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 08:55 AM
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The average Western woman has it better than non Westerm women and the average Western man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 07:04 AM
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No most people are fine with finding out their shy friend has a crush on them. They are usually flattered.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 06:46 AM
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That’s not a nice guy. At all. But it is a perfect example of how this subject gets twisted to suit varying agendas.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 06:36 AM
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I have to disagree. The ones who leave the woman alone are still roundly mocked for their methodology. I just don’t get why using altruism to start a relationship (yes even if wrapped in low self-esteem) generates such disgust in women? A girl in work used to bring me in Home-Cooked food I was flattered and grateful and happy. Contempt was the last thing on my mind,
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 06:35 AM
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I get told on here that sex without commitment is not the +1 for women it is for men then that women enjoy fucking fuckboys as much as fuckboys enjoy fucking them? Just because a Dr Glover wrote a book (which I’ve read) doesn’t mean “covert contracts” is a real thing. You have someone who has a very high opinion of you, has the best of intentions in respect of you and has a modest opinion of himself. Then you have the opposite. We’d all rather our libidos were moral.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 06:28 AM
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Can’t be praised enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 06:17 AM
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THE most shocking thing I’ve uncovered since stumbling onto game literature little over a decade ago now is the visceral and seething contempt many women feel for men who embody every quality they say their looking for in a man. Humans are wired to take advantage of weakness and women are very much not exempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 06:15 AM
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I think in the end it is organic. Or at least becomes natural eventually like any skilled person who has had to learn anything. The hardest part for many guys is realising that what they thought was a patient and gentlemanly courtship was to her simply telegraphing low status, lack of options and unattractiveness Uber allés. It blows men away when they realise how misguided they’ve been. So some go the other extreme. I think it’s useful to understand that extreme as mentioned. I posted on here u…
/r/TheRedPill18/01/18 06:08 AM
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Yes absolutely. Men feel this as youngsters but as we know it’s comparing apples with oranges. In fact much confusion and frustration on inter gender issues for men is a lack of understanding women. We grow up thinking women are similar in areas they are different and different in areas they are similar. So we go out and wonder why women are such hard-to-get players (for a lot of us) when physically we simply do not share the same need for each other. Would you confidently say that “all” women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/18 05:06 AM
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X Y and Z equates to being more attractive. Take Billy Beta. With his natural supplications, compliments and altruism. Replace these with cockiness, negs and selfishness. He will be perceived as more attractive or even attractive. Of course you don’t have to be a knob to attract women. When I’ve been asked this question I always say the same thing - no but you have to understand why being one works. But asshole game wins hands down in a club environment.
/r/TheRedPill17/01/18 05:26 PM
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My experience is the complete opposite. In fact I’ve said numerous times on here that I still can’t quite believe swaggering around the club like said dick-head works so well over “treating women as individuals” and other intuitive and altruistic behaviours. Assume by “spergs” you mean sufferers of autism? Well I’m no expert but it’s little wonder they struggle at social calibration. The majority of men who don’t suffer have a difficulty understanding the counterintuitive nature of female attrac…
/r/TheRedPill17/01/18 02:57 PM
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Some women are not very sexually adventurous. Not very sexual experimental (in a mild sense) and never take the initiative when it comes to such matters. I suppose she could be a beta bux who is a great wife/gf and gives him sex just not to the extent he lusts for. Or it’s entirely normal as most men can do both. I’d say however an extreme addiction is far more likely with a partner who is blasé about his needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 10:02 AM
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Equating masculine traits to being an asshole is what woman do. Check out Chateau Heartiste’s site which is arguably devoted to proving that theory with plenty of science to back it up if that’s your thing. Asshole game works because the hindbrain assumption is “if he is willing to be an asshole he is fearless/brave and can handle any comebacks” This isn’t necessarily true particularly in a civilised modern environment but as we know women are attracted to what works in a pre-civilised age.
/r/TheRedPill17/01/18 09:29 AM
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If only every thirteen year old boy learned this.
/r/TheRedPill17/01/18 05:37 AM
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Enjoyed and agreed from someone who leans Red. I have a theory that both genders tend to be drawn to overt sexuality in their youth. For women this is usually the typical “bad boy” thing though he may not necessarily be bad just hyper masculine and unattainable. For men this is the typical “hot chick” but can also be like above the bad girl or naughty/slutty/dirty girl. In both (and all) instances the object of their desire projects superior confidence compared with themself. Both these confiden…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 05:31 AM
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PUA/trp will do wonders to get you in a position where women want relationships with you. But not so much after that barring a few trp truths.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/18 04:58 AM
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Enjoyed in parts but some parts blatantly untrue. Asshole = Alpha. I’ve never NEVER N.E.V.E.R known an asshole who struggles with women. Now a square-jawed muscle-bound 6”2 asshole will obviously do a million times better than a physically average asshole. But both will do better than a man with a “nice” personality who otherwise matches their description. And PUA works. It works. How could it not? You teach a guy who thinks women are made of sugar, spice and all things nice that women don’t wan…
/r/TheRedPill17/01/18 04:54 AM
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No you learn the history of Islam. Read the Koran. You’re flaunting your ignorance. So some people said some things about some previous, culturally distinct immigrant groups that turned out to be wrong - that’s really all you’ve got?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 07:03 PM
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Bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 06:55 PM
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Western liberals believe evil has an exclusively white face. Here in the UK many “feminists” chose to ignore/blame white teenage girls being raped by Pakistani men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 04:39 PM
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Many TRP techniques or simply techniques of attractive men are little more than “flipping the script” or using women’s arguably natural behaviours against them. Most women are a phone call and some flirty texts away from having sex and a relationship with various men of varying quality. That is dread. It’s why men get called players. Women are correctly assumed to be natural players hence no corollary. It’s why my admittedly messy theory about having to be a male 7 to be above ANY woman in SMP h…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/18 04:28 PM
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Used to react negatively to nice shaming but now think it’s necessary tough allowing naive young men poignant insight into the real intersexual dynamics at play. Shared seduction as in know what each other find attractive which seems innate in women whereas so many men overestimate looks (projection) and underestimate the role of ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/18 09:09 AM
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This made me grin. Must be a loser if hate-filled internet stereotype says so!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/18 09:05 AM
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I probably should’ve made it more clear although I read The Rational Male the year before last I’ve understood attraction (and been attractive) for around a decade through reading Strauss’ The Game and other early PUA stuff. The post noted my experiences 13-20 (I’m 31 now). Thanks and fully agree especially the alpha male bit. My personal definition would be simply “lacks self-doubt”. Women very much aren’t the enemy and I think every guy who has struggled with women can look back on at least a …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/18 05:53 AM
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Biological determinism. Men NEED sex. It’s a very unfortunate affliction for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 07:19 PM
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Trp has carried on the baton from PUA in democratising intimacy. It gives men options which in many cases is the option of “a” woman or “a”relationship. I sometimes think it’s shouldn’t be taken too seriously. It simply teaches men about women in the way women naturally understand men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 12:52 PM
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Being short - go shorter with as rock-solid game as you can muster is not a poor strategy. I find the rest confusing.
/r/TheRedPill22/12/17 05:11 PM
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Mostly yes of course but you must have noticed the recent rise of good looking men with women who are in no way conventionally attractive. It’s often the BB late bloomer with the “well established” female, popular since school. I was in America recently and this weedy, balding Arab Man was in a hotel with his beautiful wife. It wasn’t the poshest of places so you can’t simply conclude money. This is the opposite of this and is totally explained by cultural environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/17 05:06 PM
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No it’s about improvement where possible. This is starting to get ridiculous now I recommended simply body language tips for a theoretical person with mild autism and the retort was “So what about someone with severe autism?” No ones saying these things aren’t in some cases massive obstacles but we can all improve. Height is big for women but being short isn’t nearly as big a turn off as insecurity which is why Game works.
/r/TheRedPill22/12/17 04:51 PM
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If the woman aren’t too tall a granite-framed, cocky-funny asshole game will make him attractive to them.
/r/TheRedPill22/12/17 04:30 PM
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You absolutely can go out and be an asshole and attract women. Although I accept there are caveats (well only one really in my experience). Have a natural or learned understanding of frame.
/r/TheRedPill22/12/17 08:06 AM
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Really enjoyed this and can relate. Even more so that it didn’t simply end with a brainless “Fuck yeah I got head” and you understood the pointlessness of it all. Having enjoyed toying, teasing and ultimately rejecting girls I grew up with (so no moral superiority here) I do wonder if these behaviours are evidence of the pill not being fully digested? Until quite recently I liked to employ asshole game then just when they were eating out of the palm of my hand I would go cold/loudly reject them.…
/r/TheRedPill22/12/17 07:47 AM
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Your second sentence pretty much. No good deed goes unpunished.
/r/TheRedPill22/12/17 07:22 AM
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Women in open societies never go for men of their own level. This is the crux of the nice guy epidemic. The ugly woman has infinitely more choice than the average man. It’s a fantasy of unattractive males to believe there aren’t plenty of average men ready to wife up ugly sluts. I live in the UK and it’s been known for foreign women to register bewilderment at the amount of good looking men with overweight/ugly women. AF/BB really has skyrocketed the price of intimacy here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 11:55 PM
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My last sentence details an average guy with a below average girl. Girl dates up hypergamy ting. The quality of options is debatable I agree but my point is it takes getting to a Male 7 to even have options - options most girls naturally have.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 11:42 PM
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A hideous woman would probably come under the statistical anomalies mentioned above. But even she is of value to a man. To be as valuable as a woman and thus have as many options as woman he needs to be at least a 7. The average guy will always get the less than average girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 05:20 PM
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An average guy is of very little use to a woman. A woman you consider hideous has a natural and easy ability to satisfy men. When I think of average I think of the typical nice guy. He does not possess exceptional looks, status or game. He is largely useless to modern women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 04:35 PM
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I believe there’s a glass floor SMV for women. Barring statistically invisible anomalies women cannot go as low as men as it takes very little to satisfy a man and men have all sorts of fetishes; skinny, BBW, mature, teen ad infinitum. It’s comparing apples and oranges. I’d argue a you have to be a Male 7 to be above ANY women in SMP due to the naturally unequal nature of things (hardly revolutionary considering the Pareto principle I know). This is double true when all women’s base needs are ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 02:28 PM
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Red Pill is slowly but surely becoming mainstream if only in a vague sense. I was talking to a colleague who I only know peripherally as he text a girl “Well whatever you do don’t be too nice or to keen!” “Ha ha no I know their game that’s not what they want at all” Maybe it was because we’re both just the wrong side of thirty but i don’t believe so. I think the genie’s out of the bottle in regards to female attraction cues. It’ll be interesting to see how far it spreads. Will it be the only sub…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 12:07 PM
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Yes and most boxers are shit scared of ageing gang lords. Women like tall, muscular aggressive men of course but that aggression is not looks. I’ve known tall, well built men without presence, without alpha command of a room. And they always do worse than a scrawny streetwise banter merchant. A tall, well built insecure guy will do better than a short, skinny insecure guy. A tall, well built alpha will do better than a short, skinny beta. But their actions which translate into body language and …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 09:10 AM
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Ha ha
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 07:33 AM
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As good looking beta (at heart) I’ve learned the hard way. My looks got me constant rejections and ignorance until I learned Game. But like I said its all about who would win a ultra violent, prehistoric society and looks have little to do with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 01:21 AM
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Men are not women. If you carry yourself as an alpha male you’ll be attractive to some women. I don’t know your situation but I do know women are programmed to seek behaviours indicative of alpha male status. Looks are a luxury. I
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 11:59 PM
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It’s easy to write because I’ve done it. I inadvertently stumbled on a PUA article as a desperate 20 year old with only one awkward night of sexual experience under my belt and ten years later it’s become who i am. Im no expert on the condition but was generally under the impression that severe autism would limit far more than a sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 11:45 PM
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It’s not looks. It’s body language. It’s how others respond to him. It how he stands. Walks. Speaks. It needs to imply dominance/extreme confidence. They do indeed reserve certain behaviours for attractive men. But looks won’t determine this assessment.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 10:09 PM
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Like learning anything you start small. A neg without understanding frame is just an insult from a loser for example. The first principle of Game is body language. Work on your posture so you stand tall. Head looking up to the horizon. Long purposeful strides. Always act relaxed. Surely a person suffering from milder forms of autism could use this as a base?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 09:57 PM
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And true as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 04:25 PM
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I can’t speak for others but I do know what it’s like to be a social zero and now a relative social hero. It took me the best part of a decade of trial and error life experience and books such as The Game, stuff by Tony Robbins and more recently the Rational Male (captivating, informative but like pulling teeth). Also Mark Manson’s stuff is good too but I’ve only seen articles. But of course that’s just me. Maybe to you I sound like the Blue Pillers who exclaim “Be attractive” and mock those who…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 03:51 PM
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I’d argue people with autism are in need of Game the most. I was never diagnosed with it but was painfully shy and oversensitive as a child. I didn’t really “get” others despite being relatively popular and well liked. Banter to me was just rudeness and bullying (a lot of it actually is but that’s for another day). Life eventually taught me my fundamental error. I was really right about not relating to others. They didn’t and don’t think like me and assuming they did brought me a ton of unhappin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 03:05 PM
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Black Pillers have accepted many of the bleak truths Red Pill has highlighted but also fundamentally misunderstood it. For some reason they focus on looks as if women’s attraction cues mirrored their own. They don’t. This almost offends me because it really isn’t about looks from a women’s perspective. I’d lost count of the amount of times (and I’m thinking back to the PUA days) a teacher/PUA would genuinely exclaim that a student was a lot better looking than him. Neil Strauss was anything but …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 10:49 AM
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You seemed to imagine I’ve said it concerns women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 10:56 PM
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Resentment. Depression. An inability to form friendships with women due to physical desperation. Hopefully nothing worse but you never know.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 08:14 PM
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I’d say that’s probably right. Men with a compulsion to dominate and have women surrender to them won’t fancy giving a woman the money (power).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 08:09 PM
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Bullshit they don’t enjoy the chase. That’s just an ego pumped soundbite. They know how to chase. This means they know their chasing is appreciated and will often bear fruit. I could say I enjoy the chase these days but what I’m really, honestly saying is I’m good at it now. And being good at it a) Gives me validation and b) Allows my needs to be met. If it were about the chase you’d get males happy with constant rejections. Men need satisfaction but women demand excitement. And the excitement o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 12:31 PM
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Women’s views on prostitution make for quite an interesting subject. Fundamentally, lacking the insatiable, ruinous and overpowering Male libido they often don’t understand it in tte first place. I’ve used prostitues on a few occasions and it felt no more sordid than a ONS. In fact much less so. It was more honest and a lot more laid back. Women desire to be desired but men need to be satisfied before things grow out of control. Back in my anti-social youth it seemed preferable to the awkward an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 11:56 AM
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All but encourage Muslims to rape but stop desperate local betas getting sex under any circumstances??? I wish I never read this article. I’m British but to the Americans blaming this on weak, cucked Swedes stop taking credit for the fact that your country still has some conservatives in media, political and cultural institutions. We’d all like Fox News and Trump. Anyway Game was born of necessity and it’s more calculating and cynical brother Red Pill should hopefully spread quicker than ever.
/r/TheRedPill19/12/17 10:25 AM
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At 19 I was diagnosed with what Doctors variously termed Chronic fatigue syndrome/Fibromyalgia/Chronic Anxiety Disorder. With IBS thrown in for good measure. “ • If you manage to pull, you need to be on your A-Game at all times...” This is very true. If I drank alcohol I’d be a bloated and exhausted mess until the next weekend came around essentially living in a permanent state of illness. And socialising for a young Briton IS alcohol. It was a cruel paradox. You get well and fit in the hope of …
/r/TheRedPill18/12/17 07:42 PM
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Men... the hypergamous bastards.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 03:40 PM
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Obviously they are under no obligation to. But it may be useful to them to decisively state “You know I have zero romantic feelings toward you and never could?” One very awkward moment to potentially avoid many many more down the line. It’s an age thing though isn’t it? Wasnt it Churchill who said “If you’re not blue Pill when you’re young you haven’t got a heart and if you’re blue Pill when you’re old you haven’t got a head.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 03:37 PM
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Great post enjoyed the positive end twist to bleakly Darwinian start. I said before life’s not fair but once you accept this it becomes a lot fairer.
/r/TheRedPill18/12/17 03:06 PM
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Refreshingly crazy and crazy enough to contains many truisms.
/r/TheRedPill18/12/17 02:59 PM
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What’s so weird about rape fantasies? I dunno whether to laugh or cry?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 08:08 AM
1

I had the looks so am guilty of downplaying them but do know categorically they are useless without Game. I truly believe lifting, working on your posture, working on your frame and working on your banter will make any man attractive. Ugly alphas ALWAYS do better than good looking betas.
/r/TheRedPill17/12/17 03:48 PM
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Of course it works. It has taken the “whats” of PUA Game and found the sometimes demoralising “whys”. I see the chorus of “Trp wasn’t the first to discover lifting and being confident...” No everyone knew that was an option. Trp has come to the conclusion that for many men these are absolute necessities. Trp has categorically called bullshit on “being yourself” where before this was open to interpretation. And even if getting in shape etc was common knowledge, no one was talking about Game befor…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/17 02:57 PM
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Disagree entirely. “Betas” are men who don’t understand attraction. They are in need of RP the most. In fact this is often the one area they fail. Once they learn Game they are free to live life on their terms plates or monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/17 02:40 PM
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Looks mean zero if you’re supplicative and humble
/r/TheRedPill16/12/17 01:45 PM
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I would’ve called myself that just it wasn’t true
/r/TheRedPill16/12/17 01:44 PM
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Great post. I’ve witnessed an astounding lack of empathy for Red Pillers which ironically serves to prove Red-Pill theories. How are men supposed to feel when they realise that swaggering around the place like a knob pretending not to fancy people you do fancy works better than being yourself and treating people as individuals? I mean obviously they are maladjusted, autistic losers who only have themselves to blame. But that doesn’t change the above.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 10:01 PM
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It’s a feminist lie that incels, MGTOWs and unattractive men have bad hygiene. Not least because I know a few men with bad hygiene who do well with women. Men who fail with women share two things. A humble ego and a belief in sexual equality.
/r/TheRedPill15/12/17 08:52 PM
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I was MGTOW from 17-21 before MGTOW existed. I was a facially good looking heap of self pity who fell hard for the lies of blue-Pill equalism. I gave up on women because I firmly believed I was just one of those guys women simply didn’t find attractive. And not knowing a thing about Game or the alpha/beta dichotomy I didn’t know why this was just that all evidence (serial rejections and ignorance) agreed. But at least then I was in control of things and to a guy with a weak upbringing raised by …
/r/TheRedPill15/12/17 08:46 PM
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Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Neither gender is immune.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 05:14 AM
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Having read Dr Glovers’s book i agree with him about the often uselessness of his definition of nice but not necessarily the motives. I certainly don’t buy the covert contracts stuff wholesale. Nice people who like you will probably do nice things cos they like you and they are nice people. Not nice people will probably use Game, try to make you jealous or some other form of manipulation. Which mature people can spot a mile off. No if I’m single I can’t get enough of nice. Shows your human and n…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/17 04:59 AM
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I disagree nice people rock. There was a girl in work who liked me brought me in homemade food. I’m no saint but I was flattered, graceful and didn’t take to the internet to laugh at how pathetic she was or mock her kind act because she had feelings for me. “Oh she only did that because X, Y and Z.” No she did it because she was nice and she liked me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 09:34 PM
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Only the feminist caricature thinks good deeds are sex tokens. For a start the over-invested nice guy by definition wants way more than just sex he wants a romantic relationship and ironically this is exactly his problem. Many people of both genders think being pleasant and doing nice things for one another is how you indicate interest and progress to a relationship. Unfortunately nature punishes men unequally for this natural folly. I experience “nice girls” all the time but like most people th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 05:32 AM
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There’s an element of that. There’s also an element of women (and men) linking positive traits to attractive people and the reverse. The nice guy as pushover/doormat is the understandable reaction to “women love jerks.” Transgression is attractive for both genders but particularly women as men can find a “nice”, safe, insecure girl attractive in a way which doesn’t cross genders. What you see as a pushover May Simply be a nice guy raised to be selflessly altruistic. In the exact same way what ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/17 04:56 AM
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