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DiscussionReturn_of_Hoppetar/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 09:10 PM
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Standards are relative to your own position. Homeless people are "dating" each other. You have no dearth of teenage moms in trailerparks or da hood. I can see some maladjustment though for those who are from affluent households and who can't find the same degree of affluence in the following generations of the same class.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 12:44 PM
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Well... there is the sort of people who get to know someone and then become attracted to them (or not) based on what they see. It's not actionable advice to be that sort of person, because by the time you read the advice, you are already interested in the sex, and one can't switch between demisexual and... whatever... normative male sexuality... at will. But the advice given when you are told to get to know someone as a person first is indeed actionable, because it suggests open-endedness. Getti…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 10:55 AM
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I'm aware it's a trend. If you are saying something IS the case, then that statement would be more amenable to current evidence. The fault, in my estimation, lies not with stating that it is the case, but with the explanation you conclude it to to have. And - as I responded to your elsewhere in this thread - the very "antiquity" of this trend speaks against your explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 05:42 PM
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The point being that it is highly implausible that class differences in marriage patterns in 1910 England were due to "the better life a woman has, the more she prioritizes fun early on." If this phenomenon persists during a time period when having "fun early on" is not a good explanation for it, it might be explicable by something else today too. Not that your mere assertion that this is "showing that the better life a woman has, the more she prioritizes fun early on." really refers to anything…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 04:43 PM
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As social class rises, women marry later. Showing that the better life a woman has, the more she prioritizes fun early on. You conclude this based on an article from 1931 on marriage patterns in 1910 England? Wtf.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 04:35 PM
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I'm not deliberately ignoring informal etc etc etc. I explicitly said that he is talking stupid because he's got to play the fiddle to a certain audience that doesn't like brainy talk, via a medium that doesn't like nuance, didn't I? I said he was going to say more intelligent things when he's having lunch with his fellow professors at the university of Toronto or what it was, didn't I? Neither do I think I jumped anywhere, given that I bothered to write a page of argumentation, which IS deliber…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 10:21 AM
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I'm not sure you would like a run-down of what the word "marriage" could mean, so let's just go with the ordinary language meaning of the term, if that's alright. I'm sympathetic to other readings of the term "marriage", but since he's speaking to the public, I assume that what he means is either civil marriage or religious marriage, in the commonly understood meanings of those terms. First of all, we have a problem with quantification. Although it's pretty normal to throw out singularized commo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 12:09 AM
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What's "truely older" here? I doubt a 60, 70 year old is going to get much probing about their lifelong singledom, except in one of those "this was your life" sessions of serious talk you have once in a decade with family. "What did you do in the war?", "Why did you never marry?", etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 10:58 PM
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How do you usually use the expression "X is for Y"? Because you want to express that people either use a certain tool or action with purpose Y, or that the certain tool or action was created with that intent, right? When Y is a noun, the purpose can be either the existence of the thing meant by Y, or it's a shorthand for an activity involving Y. Usually, with people and, to a lesser extent, other beings with agency, we mean to say that the purpose we have in mind is one to their benefit. When he…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 08:12 PM
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Well, I don't agree with JP either, but I do think there's a difference between how you use the word "for", and how he uses it (in this context). I'm assuming what he means is not for the existence of, but for the wellbeing of, children. When I'm saying "I'm doing a favor for Peter", I don't mean to say "I'm doing a favor to make Peter come into existence", but that I'm doing something to make Peter happy. That is the way I assume JP is talking here, because he must know that reproduction itself…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 04:34 PM
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I think JP is being silly (nb: I think he is probably a smart man - smarter than me at least - but he has an audience to play the fiddle to, and via a medium that doesn't like nuance), but how can "love and lifelong commitment" be the purpose of marriage either? Love presumably has to precede marriage, or at least marriage doesn't cause it. And it doesn't cause lifelong commitment either, I do agree with some of the vitriol in this thread about marriage being incredibly easy to walk out of in co…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 02:31 PM
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Yeah, I'm sure we don't need any more explanation for what I wrote there than the theory that "jp hurt someones feeling", such as whether it's plausible or valid. To paraphrase you, "people aren't born mental equals". And I think that's all that needs to be said to this. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 02:23 PM
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I can't say I'm familiar with all social spaces, but at least as far as I know society - European country, familiar with down-in-the-dumps toothless alcoholics, working-class and liberal academic types - there is zero perceptible stigma against relationships of unmarried people. Obviously not in the teens and 20s, but now that I get into the 30s, there isn't either. I can imagine it persists with religious types (not really a lot of them around where I live), and in certain aristocratically-mind…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 01:40 PM
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I think it's complete hogwash, but I'm sure he would say smarter things if he was in a conversation with adults over lunch in the university caféteria, as opposed to playing his online persona and focusing narrowly on a particular domain of discourse. Ask a tax advisor sometime whether marriage is beneficial even without kids, and you might get, depending on the laws of your country, a different response. Ask an epidemiologist, and you'll get the response that marriage is associated with better …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 01:31 PM
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Presumably because they prefer struggling financially to having fewer kids. I'd always give people the benefit of the doubt that they know what they want, but it's of course always possible that they were mistaken about wanting kids but only found out after the fact, or they somehow miss the financial literacy to be able to tell in advance what it would do to their finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 02:12 AM
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Well, many people have a very high preference for children. It's as rational or sensible as any other. Some people rather be poor than childless.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 02:10 AM
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I think those things go hand in hand. For most people, they just have no chance to get into a position to earn that amount, so becoming one is not really something someone would want to try to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 02:08 AM
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Probably a question for r/AskSociology; my personal guess would be that the answer depends on where you live. Ironically, or rather, cynically, the areas in which it is probably most highly regarded (traditional blue-collar areas) have become the places where it has become a less and less thankful business, financially, as that kind of work has been moved to China or automatized away, mainly. But I also think working for a living has always had a difficult stance with very young people. Get-rich…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 02:03 AM
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Well, I'm tongue-in-cheek citing the way age-gap relationships between the undergrad age group, and people 25+, are often judged by people (check the stereotypical wording here: https://incels.wiki/w/Agecuck#Stigma%20against%20large%20age%20gaps%20in%20heterosexual%20relationships - I don't really think incelwiki makes a lot of sense, but this is spot on). But I do think 18-22 year olds who would get erotic with a guy that "old" are, yes, precipitously rarer than people getting erotic with anyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 02:25 AM
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I don't think GGW did that, but I do think there was another brand or product line called "Teens Gone Wild" or something of that sort of nature that had a big legal fallout a few years later over that sort of thing (and they actually produced hardcore content). But I only remember that from a HuffPost piece, and that's not a source that stands up well to scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 09:50 PM
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27 looks young in hindsight, but what "18-22 year old college girl wants to be be with a saggy old grown ass adult man(tm)" of 27 years of age? I do think he barely missed the target demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 09:47 PM
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This is actually the benchmark of how people should be arguing these kinds of topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 09:45 PM
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Twenty years ago? I don't think I'd have any particular reaction really. We were all young and talented once (and I like to think we still are, in the big scheme of things), good thing they did what they wanted to do, as long as everyone came out fine. I think I might find a guy-on-guy video a slight bit funny though because it would be so odd. And no, my reaction would not change if my relation to the person was anything else. If it was a friend, I might feel more comfortable asking them all ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 09:38 PM
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I don't really know about should or shouldn't. I'm just talking about is, not ought. Many people are married to people who are not their dream partner, either because they fell out of love, or because they never were and they settled or married for other reasons. It's part of the human condition. I'm not very romantic about marriage like that. And there definitely ARE valid reasons to marry someone you can imagine to be second-rate, even sensible reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 08:17 PM
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Could be, though I think that would be sort of a waste of healthcare resources. In any case, it happens a lot that people are in that sort of situation. I don't think aiming the mental healthcare system at people who married at 18, 19, 21 and then find themselves estranged at 25, 30, 35 is going to make a big difference. Some people aren't working out in the long term. And then one or both partners are going to imagine someone they'd rather want their spouse to be - either a concrete person, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 08:15 PM
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Not for everyone, I think. There are probably people (not that I interviewed a bunch of married couples, but it just seems right) who get married even though they could imagine a better match. That's true for men as well, I suppose, just as it is for women. Some people are desperate for a partner, others just got someone pregnant and feel like they have to, for some it makes economic sense or their families pressure them or they were just young and dumb and didn't really know what they liked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 09:27 AM
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Well, anything is narcissim(tm) on the internet these days, so by that standard, do your thing. Clinical narcissism? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 12:52 AM
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Interesting. There's probably a lot of variation there. Why shouldn't people think about having a family at 35? It's pretty normal in bigger cities. I work in academia and I feel like nobody has kids before 35 anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:20 PM
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To some people, maybe. I don't think it does, but then again I'm 30+. The issue is probably that it does look pathetic to (many, not all) very young people 18-23 who don't really have an idea about life 30+, as evidenced by lumping together 35+ and 45+ here as if that is just one single big pot of "old people".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:56 AM
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I really don't know what universe people are writing this kind of answer from. I'm assuming you are in the US, people do tend to get married a bit earlier there than in the rest of the West. But even statistically, there must be something averaging out all the people get married between 18 and 30 to get to an average marriage age of 30+, yes? My personal impression is that both men and women get married, say, 32-39. I live in the city and work in an academic environment. But I can correct my bel…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:48 AM
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My brother is 34, his range is 18-50, which is at least fair. In practice, 22-42 is where things are concentrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 12:45 AM
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Pretty sure the person you are responding to is a 20-23 year old kid trying to fake a mature point of view. This happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 12:37 AM
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Unprotected sex? You could make that a hypothesis, but I don't think that's ever been found out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:02 PM
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It's a technical term from psychology. Yes, in the Big Five model, if you are absolutely careless and have unprotected sex with anyone you meet and don't think ahead about STIs or unwanted pregnancy, you are low on neuroticism. Doesn't mean it's a good thing, it just means people who are what we normally call "neurotic" are on the other extreme of that spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:48 PM
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Who knows. Could just be that women who have unprotected sex are either less neurotic, or are in more committed/long-term relationships. Could be anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:17 PM
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The paper is behind a paywall, but I'm sure you neither expected anyone to read anything more than the abstract, nor did you do so yourself, did you? I wonder what the increasing tendency of a-gamy (non-marriedness) is going to do with the dynamics they are describing. Singlehood is probably the fastest-growing marriage styles, far outpacing the spread of monogamy. I personally don't really believe in anthropology, but that's neither here nor there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 12:11 AM
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I think it's very unrealistic to look unchanged from 29 to 60. You would be the first person in history. So I wonder if you are not being serious, or really in denial about this. I mean, I looked like a teenager at 30. That was a few years ago. I certainly don't anymore now. It's not like this is an uncommon phenomenon, people who think they made it fine to 30, so they are exempt from aging.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 11:34 AM
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Don't be mad. We are talking about getting together with them, and I'm saying that the comment talks more about the results of being together for awhile. While there's a bigger likelihood in the 30s than in the 20s that people, even if single, have kids, it's not that you get together with them and then suddenly you have kids that you have to wait for to fall asleep, so you can crash on the sofa, for example. It's like saying that if you get together with someone in their 30s, then, as if by mag…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 11:14 AM
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Why would you say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 11:06 AM
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I do think I responded to that. People have different preferences. Here you have the advice of some random Redditor who evidently prefers a single LTR lasting from the 20s through life. Why would you expect that to be compatible with TRP? I'm not saying they are compatible, I'm saying that the people who give you that advice have different preferences in their relationships than those who give TRP advice. That's not a miracle, most people disagree with TRP guidelines on how to conduct your relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 11:05 AM
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Not looking the same and recognizably aging. Or are you asking for details on anatomical changes?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 11:00 AM
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People are different in their preferences, that's one aspect. Then some have other preferences, but still take the next best option. And after all, TRP is supposedly most popular with people who are chronically single, so the advice of getting married young can't be applied by them anyways. Finally, regardless of whether people plan on marrying an 18 year old at 45 or whatever, divorces and remarriages happen, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 04:37 AM
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This doesn't really agree on that point though, because the comment you are responding to is under the assumption that those people are already in a relationship. Regardless, probably people are different in their 30s than in their 20s, but that doesn't mean that it's less valuable to be with them in their 30s vs their 20s, does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 04:34 AM
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Well, it's going to happen eventually. Chances are it's going to happen pretty soon after 30, but maybe you'll drag it out to the late 30s. But it will happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 04:12 AM
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All of these are lifestyle choices. If you want to live like a teenager into your 50s, look at Bobby Lee.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 04:10 AM
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You probably have like 30-35 years until your mind and body get tired, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 04:07 AM
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Perhaps... your bewilderment at having to explain what seems to self-evident to you goes away when you consider that maybe other people don't feel about this the way you do? Perhaps it's a preference some people have and others do not? Also, what makes you, a 32 year old, know about whether people stop playing sports or going out at 35? You have precious little of an idea of how people live for the next 65 years after that yet, I'd wager.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 04:05 AM
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What's your evidence that men are increasingly getting excluded from the dating market? (And of course I'm being facetious here, I know none of this has any evidence behind it and is just a redpill meme.) And WHY would men do that? Presumably, depending on what you mean by "throw at", because they want a relationship, or sex. I think that's a pretty straightforward explanation, big secrets to reveal about that. But you knew that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 08:58 AM
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No, doesn't match my observations at all really. And I've been around for a long time, including long enough to know that 35+ is still dating age if you don't live in Flyover Country.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 11:18 PM
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I think you are too literate and sensible to gain much traction in this environment. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 02:13 PM
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I don't think so. Maybe hormone replacement (and other advances in fitness technology) have made fit "older" people more common in the past few decades, but they've always been around, just rare. Just look at Shatner or Eastwood or Henry Fonda in their 30s, long before hormone replacement was remotely a possibility. In a given population, there's always going to be enough people like that to produce a few action stars. And that's even with discounting thousands of them who do not make it onto th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 02:01 PM
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Well, what am I supposed to say. I obviously don't agree with you and think I'm more experienced than you. Seems like we've reached an impasse. edit: I was unnecessarily rude to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 08:53 PM
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Plastic surgery is advancing steadily and wealth becomes convertible to attractiveness for women too. It's already advanced so much that "The Wall" is outdated as a general rule. Gone are the days of windswept facelifts. And I can smell the objection that, oh, but men want FERTILE women. Yes, some, maybe. And some might be able to keep a cool head about it. I can't remember the source for this, but I read a nice citation somewhere by evolutionary psychologists that goes something like "though yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:28 PM
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I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that that's no problem on OLD guys. If you are 35 and look 45, that's a turnoff. But if you look the same way and you are 55, it isn't. If you are genuinely older, you can pull off what would be considered old and disgusting if you were young. That's my experience at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:20 PM
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Physically attractive broke guys though, yes. At 22, 23, nobody minds if you are broke. Everyone is broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:12 PM
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I feel this is related to the talk I had over at https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/yuk335/what_percentage_of_men_do_you_think_is_in/. People in general age poorly. To paraphrase Barry Lyndon, "man or woman, good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor", they'll all be equal. To say that some people don't age poorly is just cope. Aging is a universal curse, you get sick, weak, demented, aching, and, yes, ugly. Everyone. No exceptions among the living. Some sooner, some later. Ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 07:11 PM
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Well, I'm not 40 yet but tho I've no doubt that it's possible to get SOME, I've seen too many women tell me that 35+, it's mostly guys 50+ who are interested in them. I can already feel it coming on, tho I'm just past 30. So I guess, if you are lenient, you can always "clear the market" (this is why the RP philosophy is that women can't be incels (except for Lizzie Velasquez)), but do you want to, is the question. Do you want to clear the market with what your own looks get you? I don't know. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 05:01 PM
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Yeah, I guess it's not universal. I'm just saying you PROBABLY (I don't know you personally though) could have had more ONS at 22 than at 42. That doesn't mean that people can't opt out of doing that at a younger age for one reason or another and thus not reach the potential they have by looks alone. It's a bit like people who pick up weightlifting at 50. It's easily possible for a 50 year old weightlifter to be in better shape than a 35 year old couch potato. But the 35 year old couch potato CO…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 04:57 PM
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Aging will prevent it, though. I'm not saying that is an absolute, but it seems to me that chances are that at 40, you won't be able to be as promiscuous as at 25, both men and women. You won't be as attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 10:21 AM
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People are getting married more and more commonly between 30-39, but especially in the US, I think the average is quite a bit further down in the 20s. I'm not an American and I keep being shocked at how many people in the US marry at 22 and other crazy ages like that. They also encourage others to do the same because "later on, you won't have as much energy for kids" and they pity the old saggy fools who marry at 25+.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 10:19 AM
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What is Myron? I can find an ancient Greek philosopher and a Dutch famous-for-being-famous/journalist under that name. I'm guessing whoever your "Myron" is, it's yet another guru whose words people lap up because he's on YouTube and seems masculine(tm). Never mind what gurus say, show me the science and there is none, so we are all free to guess. There are some men who want virgins. I'm not sure whether that is cultural or genetically programmed. But this is a polymorphism in the human populatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 10:14 AM
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I guess there is a grey zone between the two. I'm not a sociologist, I only have some rudimentary training in that. I also do not know what it means to take the situation "not seriously". I'm sure there are situations which are pure, ideotypical examples of uncoordinated action leading to convergence. "Souks selling the same product" is a great example of this. Nobody selling a product has as its aim that only that product shall be sold on the market. They are each individually selling what make…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:49 PM
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I think you are digging up one small part of the difference between sociology and conspiracy theories; one sees emergent phenomena from lots of uncoordinated individual choice, the other posits that everyone must be conspiring with each other to achieve that effect. I guess both have their place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:02 PM
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Aren't all these CMV posts trolls? Or at least truculently edgy crybaby teenagers trying to come up with the most extreme formulation possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 11:37 AM
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I can't really follow the argumentation. Who is "we", and why does RP increase the chances that that group of people has a fulfilling sex life? Is it because it teaches men how to manipulate, and manipulation is attractive, and so there are more attractive men? Or what's the argument here? Anyway I feel a lot of this is with very broad strokes and generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 11:34 AM
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Could be. You have at most one or two years of additional life experience on me if you say you are in your mid 30s. I guess we are just comparing notes on our personal experiences here, which are of course anecdotal. I'm also not living in the US, which makes the biggest difference maybe. I'm not sure what you mean by "doing well" either. My unattractive male friends (30-40) are not sleeping with smoking hot teenagers, if that's your standard of "doing well". One of them is bisexual and in a ste…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:26 AM
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Yeah, I guess? Obviously their ancestors had better "romantic" outcomes, otherwise they wouldn't be ancestors. (I say "romantic" in scare quotes because how much of marriage and kids was ROMANTIC in, say, 1850, is pretty debatable.) But there's been other people back then who didn't become ancestors. Maybe they died in a war or from appendicitis or were infertile or what. I don't really see the connection of your response to my comment. Maybe I'm just too dense. I'm saying that most of these peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 10:12 PM
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I think it's the creepy normalcy thing. They warned me when I tried that out, you get used to how you look and then you keep wanting more and more until you look freakish. I think that is why many practicioners stay on the conservative side. I tried it once, didn't like it, probably gonna get implants instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 08:43 PM
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I guess because men have always liked them and they thus aren't suitable to making a case about the influence of Kim K on beauty standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 03:58 PM
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You are 27. Now, I know, age perception isn't absolute, but to me, you are practically a baby. People are going to be marrying later. And they are already doing that. Give it another 10 years, and all of this will have settled. (Though I don't really understand why it's a problem in itself that your friends have harems.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 11:27 AM
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Not anymore now, but like 10, 15, 20 years ago? Not all the plastic surgery in the world could overcome her not being a young hottie anymore, and priorities of relevance change. But she's been around doing this for a long time, the peak of men lusting over her was maybe 20 years before her peak social media earnings. I grant you that it wasn't Top 10, maybe, but she was relevant enough to make OP not mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:53 AM
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The unholy amount of money Kim Kardashian has made on IG was due to her cosmetics deals. So that would be your customership right there, probably not male. I don't think this proves the point either way though, it could still be that there are a lot of men following her, that a lot of men find her attractive, but that men are harder to milk for money with anything she might carry to market (and certainly not cosmeceuticals). So it's neither here nor there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:50 AM
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I've read somewhere before (yes, there's serious scholarship on questions like "why have big asses become more popular?") that it is because of the clout black culture has in the entertainment industry across all races. Now, how much of that is men actually becoming conditioned to liking big asses, and how much of it is it simply becoming expected and proper to show big asses even if one is not attracted to them, I don't know. This whole thread suffers a bit from there being zero evidence that a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:46 AM
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Modern plastic surgery can be done well, so that it is not possible to tell, or at least takes an expert. I work with many plastic surgeons and what many say is that while people complain about fake looks, the aim is to create something you can't even tell is artificial, and we have gotten a lot better at it. Many people running around with filled faces or facelifts or anything else, and you wouldn't suspect it. I like Khalyla Kuhn is a good example of this. Could it be that she just looks like …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 07:41 AM
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Pretty sure Kim Kardashian was at least a top-of-the-year beauty before any surgeries. She looked exactly like the prettiest girls who went to school with me, not a supersayajin god supersayajin tier beauty of the century, a girl you'd find once or twice in any school, but certainly nobody anyone would need to "keep themselves from puking" at. At 16-25, she looked exactly like the kind of pretty girl that "men" (boys) would have gone for at 16-25. She just has ended up with a lot more bandwidth …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 01:06 AM
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Well, you can argue all you want that marriage doesn't give that, and it would seem like you are proposing a good alternative explanation. The issue with it is that social researchers researching these things are far less stupid than you give them credit for, and they tend to be able to tell the direction of effect. That you, on the other hand, don't have anywhere close of a grasp of how these effects work is when you reduce marriage to "having a vagina to fuck". If it was just that, you'd expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 07:25 PM
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I'm not too sure what you mean with "need". Feel a psychological sense of _wanting_ something? Maybe that's true, then. But it's very well known that men benefit more from marriage than women in pretty much any conventionally desireable metric: psychological health, emotional health, cardiovascular health, number of social relations... Men are genetically programmed for a role of procreation and supporting a family. If they cannot fulfill that role, they will be left overweight, bald, sick and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 06:44 PM
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From what I see, pretty much everyone (women) only takes SuperLikes "seriously" these days, because they have a limited supply and so if you get one, that actually means something. So pretty much, yes. Free normal likes are just noise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 06:31 PM
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What's the evidence? You talked to the producers?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 06:28 PM
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Are you not an USAmerican? I'm not from the US, so I can only speculate what things are like there, but in my experience, sexual behavior there (or at least what people there believe about sexual behaviour, or at least what they say they believe about it) is very different from the rest of the world. I'm a European and while things are probably a lot less prude here than in, say, Saudi Arabia, the US is a whole other level. Especially talking about STIs, just look at the numbers (then again look…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 09:28 AM
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Limiting superlikes, yes. But not forcing a minimum number of likes, no. I've never seen that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 06:50 AM
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One of the more interesting takes on the character I've heard. I'm sure someone must've come up with this angle before, but I've never read it anywhere before. And I read quite a bit of literary theory stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:48 PM
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How do you know that these movies don't target a female audience? Did you speak to the producer? Or are you, like, simply defining any movie with an Average Joe male lead as targeting a male audience?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:44 PM
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Adam Sandler was my first thought too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 11:42 PM
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It's an ambigous term. But there is a way of using the expression in which "toxic masculinity" doesn't mean what a man does, but the behavioral standards that hurt women by affecting how men act, but also hurt men by the same way. For example, men having a tendency to neglect their health is "toxic masculinity" because the behavioral standards of male-ness - supposedly - cause this self-harming behavioral pattern: https://www.choicehousecolorado.com/why-toxic-masculinity-exponentially-affects-me…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 07:08 PM
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It's the tragedy of the commons. EVERYONE else is swiping right on (nearly) every woman, so every woman has an inflated inbox. If you are the one not to swipe right while everyone else does, you are only hurting your own chances. So, sure, everyone shouldn't be swiping right on every woman, but at the same time, it's not actionable advice NOT to do it. It has to be externally enforced upon everyone somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:29 PM
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Really depends where they are, too. If you are in Europe or the West Coast, your likes will become magically inflated with teenage Filippinas "JuSt OnLiNe tRaVeLlInG XD". If they out in the sticks somewhere, maybe there's just 2 - 3 people around in a 10 mile radius.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:27 PM
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Yeah, I was thinking to include that in my post as well, but while it's a good hypothesis, it's a futile debate to try to trace when and why normative masculinity began to include flattened emotional affect. It could have started the way you describe, but it also could not have. There's probably also substantial cultural differences. I feel this is something for r/AskHistorians or r/AskAnthropology.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:18 PM
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They/we don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:14 PM
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The solution would be, I recon, to limit the number of likes a man can give per week. No dating app does that to my knowledge BUT there are usually "super-likes" (or something of that sort of name) which ARE limited, though more can usually be bought. This is a good mechanic to discourage men from simply swiping right all the time, which has a strong incentive because everyone else does it and so everyone ends up getting ignored because a swarm of males has a farm spamming women with 10 billion …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 06:13 PM
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I know you want your view changed, but I'm actually sort of inclined to agree with you. I don't think the debate is totally absent from the left-leaning mainstream, though. It's usually recognized that men are emotionally unavailable because "society" teaches them to be that way, not because they are somehow genetically programmed to be that way. I guess nobody would be so blunt to say that "society" is essentially, well, women socializing the male into that sort of behaviour, because saying tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 09:34 AM
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Rather unexpected to find a RPer agreeing with the concept called "toxic masculinity" by the leftist media.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 08:33 AM
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You probably don't have a degree in anthropology, sociology, ethnology, history or anything else relevant to analyzing social trends, let alone project them possibly centuries out. And except for a small minority of scholars, historians would tell you that historical theory (that would allow you to analogize from Ancient Rome to modern society) is not a promising endeavour, let alone from a single historical example. While that's not a piecemeal refutation of anything you've said, the fact that …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 08:29 PM
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"The idea of the wall is mainly aimed at showing young women that it will be getting more and more difficult to find a high quality partner when they age, with the idea for a serious LTR/family." - Well, this is a sort of magic trick, because you load "with the idea for a serious LTR/family" into the question itself. That is probably true, but not what was discussed at first. The initial discussion was about whether it's possible to find relationships AT ALL - not necessarily ones that lead to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/22 07:39 PM
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Yeah, I do think that needs evidence. You are looking too much at the, say, 20-35 crowd. Meanwhile, people are dating in nursing homes. Now, that's rare and an extreme example, but my point being, lots of people have kids already. Then they might be divorced, widowed (rarely, in the West, at least until higher age, and then it's usually the woman) or maybe just looking for a sidepiece. How common is it really for people looking to date to be interested in the fertility of their partner? If you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 07:03 AM
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Is there actual evidence that men prefer women who fertile, if controlling for looks? Never mind you lecturing about what seems sensible to you as if it were an unquestionable fact, is there any evidence? And what is "objectively worse looking"? Looking good or bad is like, the most subjective thing ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 08:08 AM
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Depends what your cut-off for "ages" is. I'd probably agree for 60+, but that's a whopping 46 years (from 14 to 50, let's say) where there is a huge difference in how attractive people are. 60+, yes, the difference becomes less drastic, but there are still exceptionally attractive people. The rank order might change over time, but the difference is there.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:38 AM
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Upvoted for slicing through the wool OP tried to pull over your eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 01:30 AM
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Not too sure, to be honest. If we are talking the Khalyla Kuhn or Sarang Choi or Ava Wu type, yes, maybe, but for a lack of much of a conscious experience of the 90s, I can't tell you whether that kind of woman has become more common than it used to be. The general proliferation of cosmetic treatments and the one and almost only skincare product that actually works (retinol) must have had some effect. (In the 30s demographic, facelifts etc. aren't yet a factor, and let's forget about the million…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 10:28 PM
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My point being that if you are familiar with strip clubs, then pointing out that your experience with strippers might not be transferable to actual prostitutes. This might not change your view in itself, but it might pull the rug from your own experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 04:16 PM
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How is anyone going to change your view if you have direct first-person evidence? Tell you that you hallucinated your life? I know lots of people who work in that sort of industry, some voluntarily, some at least implicitly not so much, so I don't necessarily disagree that there are many who do it voluntarily. However, if I wanted to make a case, I'd tell you that there might be a huge difference between stripping, and actually having sex with people for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 04:02 PM
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What you gonna do with it? You are "justified" not dating whoever you want. There is nothing wrong with that. It doesn't need to be "justified" by casual sex being unfair to anyone. I'm not into people who smell bad. Am I obliged to give myself to someone who smells bad because I have no "justification" not to? That's bollocks. Just date who you want. However, what good does it do to anyone if you don't date them? You'll still be single, they'll date someone else. What's the point? I hope your m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 10:25 AM
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I think this is an important point. A lot of respondents here just stay at the level of saying that men at 40 are ugly compared to men at 20, as if that is the whole picture. It clearly isn't. I visually find people in their early 20s more appealing than people in their 50s, but there are a ton of people in their 50s that I find hot and attractive ENOUGH for me to date them. I'm early 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 09:42 AM
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The point isn't necessarily to convince the people one is responding to, but to inform other readers who might take an interest in the topic, hence why this is public. I've read you both's posts with interest, my experience falls somewhere in the middle, I don't really hang around people who have hookups, or at least not people who talk about them in good company, but I have seen enough 20s/30s relationships and 20s/40s relationships (with either M or F being older) to know that they are a socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 09:36 AM
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This. It's mostly just some cultural narrative that the man is somehow "making himself ridiculous" or "being exploited by a gold digger" in transactional dating. I believe this narrative came about in order to discourage these kinds of relationships, which would otherwise be a normal and common phenomenon. Men, in my experience, are very much aware of why certain girls hang around them (very few men 35+ are so emotionally and socially inept as to be genuinely played by a teenager) but why would …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 09:26 AM
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I disagree that there is a "we" here. There is a large group of women who think like that, but there is also a substantial number of women who date significantly older, for a variety of reasons, personal compatibility, being poor and looking for a rich partner, being talked into it, being lonely, etc. All the same reasons that apply in other relationships. It doesn't really matter who anyone finds most attractive. Relationships happen between people because they are attracted ENOUGH, in my exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 09:17 AM
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I agree with you in principle, but we also have pretty good data on the percentages of marriages (not relationships, and that might be important) that fall into each age bracket, and according to them, the point still stands that those close in age account for a substantial majority. But not so much as to make an age gap of 10+ years an unrealistic goal at least for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 09:13 AM
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Why is it an immature or stupid thing to say "age is but a number"? I don't agree with it and think it's mostly cope, but it's sort of the national motto of the generation 60+. The world is full of useful handbooks on aging gracefully, written by older women, in which "age is just a number" inevitably appears. So it's hardly something that comes from immaturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 09:06 AM
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I mean... that is your experience. I think both of these views are silly. There are enough men who are in a completely outside the pill universe and have never learned that men find promiscuous women unattractive, and consequently they do not do so. Likewise, there is probably a preponderance of women who find "older" men unattractive, but I assure you that there are enough women willing to date a decade+ older to make it a realistic "goal" to work towards, even when not factoring in rich white …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 09:02 AM
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Oh this sounds like me. But I was about to grow out of it for a brief moment but then another trend overtook that development: I became too old to care and the rocket fizzled out and I fell back towards my home planet, so to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 12:16 AM
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I think you are just more prone to hearing stories like that because they obviously get circulated more than "Been sat at the library for four years, studying." That is less exciting.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 12:14 AM
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Well, I don't "balk at the idea that (some) men care about N count". I balk at the idea that some men care about it AND also think their sentiment is reflective of male-dom in general. (Which, curiously, seems like you can only ever get these two in combination. I've yet to find a man who exhibits a different cross-product, i.e. "Oh... all OTHER men care about you not being a virgin. But I'm SPECIAL! I don't!" and "Oh... nobody else cares about virginity, but I am SPECIAL. I know what's good!") …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 01:42 PM
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No, not on average. I've seen things in the 18/25 ballpark a few times. I've seen 15/24. 18/30 I've seen once, not as a relationship but as a fwb or extended hookup. No, it's not on average. But it's not crazy rare. I'm a "real adult" too and I've seen my share of social life, so I'm not making this up. Maybe we just hang around different kinds of people. I have no idea about justification or not, I don't really think there is an ethical dimension to this, or if there is, that it's important to …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 07:07 PM
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Couple thoughts on that. Andrew Tate is 35, so he is a "grown man" too, and I won't as readily dismiss his opinion as the angsty youngster shenanigans that I chuckle over when they end up in this subreddit as a flaming mess. Now, how much that actually IS his opinion, versus a persona he built because you can sell it on the not-so-intellectual darkweb, that is a different question. But I do consider most of the things that people post on here as just as much an expression of teenage/tweenage tas…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 05:13 PM
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I've not seen any research on this (though I'm sure it's out there), but I'm somewhat sure confidence is largely genetic. Probably something with dopamine or serotonin levels in this or that gyrus or sulcii, or something. The usual culprits.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/22 08:15 AM
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I can't say I'm familiar with all subsections of society, nor am I in the US, where, from my understanding, promiscuity might be both more pronounced and more thematized than it is here in Europe, but I am familiar with the age bracket at which people get married here, and from my experience, there are no consequences. If people get married in their 30s (as they do here, increasingly), they are a) too mature, b) unless you are a passionate swinger, the phase of sexual experimentation is so far b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 08:51 AM
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I'll argue with you. I'll say that the media standards of a given time don't necessarily have a lot to do with who men get, to get it to a fundamental level, boners for. Also, and I know this isn't against your point, but I think it still stands that there are certain female (and male) attributes that have stood the test of time with regards to beauty standards, even if being slim and large-breasted might not be one of them. For example, the symptoms of aging have at no point been considered a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 11:11 PM
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You could say that culture right now allows biology to take front seat. I'm not sure I'd say that is the case, but it's a point that could be made. If you live in the 1700s and need to get married primarily to get food on the table, things like whether your husband is a scrawny and pockmarked might take a relatively low priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/22 11:06 PM
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I think that article is all sorts of bogus, but it doesn't really matter if you can get a natural erection or not. Very few people date for that, so this is all sort of a red herring.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:51 AM
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This has long been figured out by sociology. The man isn't the sole determinant of who they are getting to date. Women have a preference closer to their own age, so women come to determine the average age gap of relationships. I might also say that there's probably not enough people 18-25 around to date everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 05:50 AM
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Euthanasia is performed in Switzerland for treatment-resistant persistent depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 09:13 PM
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Oh funny, I just had a similar topic on /r/askphilosophy; seems to be my theme song today. There I argued for pretty much the opposite of what I'm going to say now. Funny how that goes. It's not "logic". It's heuristics. Under certain PLAUSIBLE ASSUMPTIONS about the REAL WORLD, we can conclude that the fact that NOBODY brings up a certain concern or topic makes it perhaps less likely that that topic or concern is thought about. You might disagree on the ASSUMPTIONS, but pointing out that it does…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 09:09 PM
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Sorry for the late reply. Yes, curiously, we did. But this happened much later, we randomly met again somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 08:11 PM
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Yes I did. To paraphrase Mads Mikkelsen, I was quite an immature kid at 28, to be honest. He told me he wanted to discuss a stage play we both went to. I didn't even expect it to be a sexual thing, so he didn't have to say anything magical, nor have to be very attractive (though I have to say he was). Nothing came of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:31 PM
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No, I wouldn't say it's necessarily BP to say that wealth inequality affects dating. You could mate that belief with the pulp version of free market liberalism pushed by teenagers driving expensive cars in MLM ads on YouTube - i.e. the idea that it's all "self-made" - and it would be RP (I guess). But the moment you mate it with what - and I am not saying this as a put-down - is essentially a Marxist position - that wealth inequality needs structural solutions and not make-your-goddamn-bed Jorda…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 02:42 PM
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This is probably something that is going to drop off massively within a single-digit number of years, so I wouldn't place too much emphasis on it when looking for a partner. I'm not sure if you are planning to go on TRT and/or can access/pay it, but if you age normally, past 30, your hormones are declining and soon you won't be as interested in sex anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 12:47 AM
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Haha. Yeah. And he isn't. So he isn't compatible with these women. It's not that difficult to concede someone is right about some minor point sometimes, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 01:31 AM
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Because it's at the societal level. That's pretty much the definition of BP. Yes, you can say that what you suggest is amenable to political activity, but that would apply to BP in general: BP solutions are ultimately amenable to whatever political influence you have in a given society, but that might be an inherent contradiction in the definition of BP, not a problem with me identifying your suggestion as BP: https://incels.wiki/w/Blackpill
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 01:24 AM
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I'm not sure about the validity of the solution itself, but it's a blackpill solution and as such it's not really applicable by the individual. When you are out making the rounds, beating the curb, chasing your daily sex, there isn't anything you as an individual can do to decrease the wealth gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 07:54 AM
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I'd argue that non-ambiguously culturally western women are going to largely overlap with the group normally included in the "caucasian race" construct, yes. There are borderline cases (do we consider hispanics to be western? Do we consider them to be western-ized when living in countries usually meant by "western world"? What about people of African or Asian descent in those countries? Are they supposed to be part of their own culture or are they supposed to be westernized? What about people in…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 11:05 PM
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What's the rationale for "avoiding western women"? (I'm gonna leave out "modern", because you can only meet "modern" women anyway, unless you find a time machine. Everyone you meet is gonna be alive today, and thus "modern".) Seems like a very crass and borderline racist proposition that you throw out nonchalantly. This needs some explanation or it will just come across as random and crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 06:11 AM
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I feel like this would be more at home in one of the fifty million dating advice subs. But generally, this is how everyone should date, and how everyone (except your friends apparently, among which you perceive yourself to be exceptional in this regard) does date. What do you think is going on on the other side when people are "flaky" or "ghost you"? Well, you've been screened, buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 05:11 AM
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I'm trying to verbalize what some primitive part of my brain is signalling to me, and yes, it's that. I consider it some degree of "getting to know someone" to listen to what they are saying. Now if that person says "whoop whoop!" and then downs a bottle of vodka, and there are others around him shouting "ex! ex! ex!", that's pretty much all the getting-to-know I need in order for that part of my brain signalling me that, although there's a hot body there, he's not sexy. I'm not jumping to any c…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 03:14 PM
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So what's the objective standard for who's old and who's young then? You just randomly say that it's wrong that a 50-year-old is young, but what's your standard? Just your own gut feeling that they are not? Or what? I'm not sure what you are trying to demonstrate with the "fat" example. You are not aiming for whether it's a nice thing to do to call someone "fat", you are aiming for semantic accuracy. There is no objective standard for "fat" either. I'm slender in the West. I'm fat when I'm in As…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 09:05 AM
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There are all sorts of rare people. Some people are smart enough to get a PhD at age 11. Some people are 4m tall. Why shouldn't there be one or two rare freakishly young people who look like 40 at age 50? They don't necessarily have to be models or superstars. They might be a housewife in Dubai or a hooker in Peru that nobody ever heard of and who'll live and die without ever being noticed by the world. Chuando Tan is a random Singaporean fotographer who got noticed by sheer coincidence when he …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 08:06 AM
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Look, you know what I mean. Do you really feel the need to do this? Yes younger farther this older closer that etc blabla. The dividing line between what is YOUNG and what is OLD has to do with this only insofar as OLD happens after YOUNG. But the positioning of the dividing line between YOUNG and OLD ages on the lifespan is subjective. And this isn't an analytic problem, but an empirical one. Just go and ask who's old to a 15 year old. Probably people in their 20s. And ask who's young to an 80 …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 12:24 AM
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I think this might be an age thing, too, or it might be a personality thing. As I've gotten older, I've noticed that although I can see older people being older, it has started mattering less for the bottom line attractiveness they have to me. This is especially true into the early 40s (10-12 years older than me). Yes, we can tell 40 year olds are de facto older, but the bottom line attraction to them now stays the same, whereas it would have been much reduced when I was younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 12:12 AM
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I agree. If I see one more "after 18, men are starting to go bald " post... It's the 21st century. Hair transplant is trivial. But on the flipside, it is true that most men still don't bother to do anything about it, though it seems to be changing. And as long as men - voluntarily - chose to have an unattractive feature, I can see why women would object to the "lifestyle choice" of being bald. The "sweetie, you are getting a beer gut and becoming diabetic" part is harder to fix than baldness tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 12:02 AM
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"Young" and "old" are relative and subjective. If you don't think Cavill at 38 is "young" compared to Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp who are around 60 and who were mentioned in the post the other person was responding to, there's nothing I can say, really. But yeah, I think 38 is pretty young in the big picture. There's a saying, "40 is the old age of youth, 50 is the youth of old age." Sounds right to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 11:49 PM
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I think this is one of the few comments on here approaching how attraction seems to work for me, and among people around me, in RL. I'm often shocked and grossed out by the idea people have of attraction in this sub. But I guess that's the difference between 20s kids, and actual adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 09:21 AM
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There is scientific evidence that female faces age more quickly than male faces. The difference is greatest between 50 and 60, where it arguably doesn't really matter for the matching game, but it exists over the entire course of life. However, I agree that that does not seem to actually matter for making men and women effectively look different in daily life. That said, what a lot of people on PPD will cite is that who females find attractive shifts more with age than who males find attractive.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 09:14 AM
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Well... to you. Probably because you are in your 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 09:08 AM
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I agree with this. I think the issue with the contributions to this thread is two-fold: 1) people being young and lacking the experience that attractiveness changes with age 2) people being young and getting a kick out of saying hurtful things to people who are older ("sweetie, you are fat and bald", "you got saggy tits and ass, nobody wants to date you") for some mysterious reason. These two really skew the discussion. Well, I'm in my 30s now and I think even physically, a lot of people are mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 07:58 AM
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Henry Cavill is still reasonably young though. Not to the people in this thread, who largely seem to be 20-24, so 38 is ancient to them. But for the purpose of this discussion, 38 still is young. It's going to be interesting to see where he is going in his 40s.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 07:53 AM
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The first part isn't an argument really. Maybe TRP is wrong. It's possible. The second part is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 07:42 AM
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Again, "hot" isn't what TRP would claim. TRP says that younger women match up with "older" men either for genuine attraction to personality/lifestyle/resources, or because of cold hard calculation. And I think the idea that that happens in the wild, especially when talking about men who are older than, say, 32, is very hard to deny - though maybe only if you have superstar-level status. What's your age, roughly, if you don't mind me asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 07:29 AM
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SMA isn't exactly determined by a representative sample of heterosexual women and homosexual men, though. The editor (a male) selects not on the basis of physical attractiveness, but on the basis of a bouquet of factors such as role-model function, kindheartedness and so on. At least that's what they say they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 12:49 AM
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But what's "young" to you? The meaning of that word changes a lot with age. To 18 year olds, 25 would be old. To my 90+ year old grandma, 50 is a young man. Also to be fair, TRP never claims that older men are physically more attractive. They claim that older men are more attractive because of their wealth and social status (provided that they manage to get it). That claim has a bit more support in everyday observation, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/22 12:44 AM
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I definitely agree there's a huge racial element to this that people overlook. I'm not black, but there are very many black men who I find are insanely attractive in their 30s and even into 50s in some cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:49 PM
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What do you expect? People here are in their 20s largely, which makes a lot of discussions moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:40 PM
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What's your evidence that the balance is "best" at that age? The marriage statistic? If that's the case, then it seems to be circular reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:39 PM
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This is what I feel too. People in their early 20s seem somehow low-quality to me. They have adult, strong bodies, but when they open their mouth, they say something inane or stupid. I consciously know that that's just ordinary immaturity, but my hindbrain registers it as "Here is an adult who has mental retardation. Do not mate. Your children will be like this and unable to take care of themselves." I know this sounds harsh, but it's the best way I can put it. I know that's now how this works, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:36 PM
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I have no real idea about music theory except for a long-ago roughshod through Adorno, but: Color is subjective? What now? Or are you talking about the qualia problem? Then yes, but what is objective at all to you then?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:32 PM
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You know what, I completely and wholeheartedly agree with this comment. Everyone treats their attraction as ego-syntonic (i.e. they think it's really "them" doing the "being attracted") and enjoy calling each other old and ugly, when there really IS no "being ugly" - it exists only because everyone is being played by their genes like a puppet into thinking that something is ugly or not. It's not something anyone really is. Men and women aren't the "enemy" in this, it's the hidden genetic force t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:30 PM
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This is sort of a red herring. We don't have to compare 60, 70 year old men with 25 year olds. That's skipping the more important debate about the middle age range. There are a lot of men (and women) in their late 30s and 40s that I'd take over a lot of men (and women) aged 18-22.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:21 PM
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I disagree; most "celebrities" are not in their 20s. Singers, maybe, but if you are looking at movie stars, they run pretty late. Many don't have their breakthrough roles until their early 30s. And, yes, men tend to run a lot older than women, but that's not necessarily because men are attractive at older ages, but because they can be unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:19 PM
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I'm not really sure there's a particular age when they are most attractive. I'm pretty sure when I was like, 18-22, I would've found 40 year olds old and gross (I had a few teachers I who were probably in their 40s that I could abstractly tell were probably good-looking people, but just too old for it to be "effective"). Now I'm in my 30s and think of a lot of men and women in their 40s as pretty attractive. But I do have a hard time classifying feelings; they probably don't look as good as they…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 10:14 PM
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But that's quite an extreme difference. Establishing that a 60 year old isn't as hot anymore doesn't tell us a lot about when they were hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 09:43 PM
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Couple things by-the-by: As several other posts attest, by and large, women will not be randomly attracted to significantly older guys, as several posts here attest. That's not to say it doesn't happen, even for perfectly innocent reasons (i.e. not because the man is a superstar). But that's really beside the point here. A 22-25 year old is more attractive to YOU probably because you are young. Talk about this topic again when you are 40. It's incredibly naive to think that what attracts you can…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 08:51 PM
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I think it's discouraged. And I like it to be discouraged. I don't really have an argument for it, it's just my preference. If people's nature doesn't work with fairytale lifelong monogamy, I'm fine with forcing it down their throat. But, again, that's just what I like seeing. I think long-term unhappiness created by abandoned spouses and families weighs more heavily than the romantic flutters and an ounce of sexual pleasure gained by that abandonment. At that age, what are you doing? You should…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/22 06:27 AM
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I mean... I guess you could lower your standards in the wrong department, and then your take would be correct. But what people usually mean by "lowering standards" is to not lower them in those areas which are relevant to long-term success, and to lower them in those areas which just cause you to feel sexual attraction. That's why people "settle": they stop wanting a bilionaire who's tall as a tree, broad as a mountain and built like the lost third Osundairo brother. But I do agree "settling" ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 10:18 AM
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Okay, alright. You're probably too young to know that early 30s isn't "later in life". You've come a fair bit of the way. It's a long way to go still to the finish line.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 08:19 PM
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Why especially later in life? I'd think that "later in life" would be the heyday of porn, no? When you 60 years old, who will you do it with? Even 50s is difficult. Yes, I know, seniors in nursing homes having affairs and so on, but overall don't you think porn fills an important gap especially "later in life"? After you're done having kids, what point is there not to fill the gap that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 06:52 PM
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I really suggest you ask a question like this on /r/AskScience or /r/AskSocialScience as well. Just because people in this sub buy into a faily widespread internet ideology on how society and sexual intercourse interact, it doesn't mean you're going to get the most accurate answers here for questions like that. My personal take: I don't think it plays a huge role really. For what it's worth, testosterone levels have been declining worldwide for decades. Nobody is quite sure why (anything from st…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 06:47 PM
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Alright, sorry. That was what the other person said to the mod, so I thought that must have been reason for deletion.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 07:24 AM
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Well, I'm sorry. Anything I can clear up for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 07:23 AM
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I'm slightly obnox'd by the equivalence of being able to do this, and actually doing this. For some reason, men here always assume that sex comes before anything for everyone. 8 ONS in 16 years (discounting prostitution)? I'm sure the number is at least 50%, and easily. But it comes with a price for many people: you need to assent to sex, even when you don't feel like it, even when the person isn't attractive to you. You need to prioritize chasing skirt over other activities. You need to try to …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 06:32 AM
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Okay, but then we are talking about different things here. I used "masculine" as meaning "those attributes which are typical of males". So - if someone would want to be "more masculine", they'd need to overexpress typically male attributes. Males are more violent, thus more violenence would be more masculine. You (and probably many others) use the term "masculine" to refer to male role models. Whether male role models always express typically masculine traits, that's something that would need to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 10:05 PM
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To be fair, given the psychological impact of MPB, up to depression, up to suicide, and the amount of money men spend to get it corrected,saying this sets a high standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 09:03 PM
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For shame, your post was deleted because of your blocking people. Could you send it to me? It was really interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 09:00 PM
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That's an interesting take, really. But do people normally consider Jesus an "Alpha"? If anything, he stands outside and beyond the whole system, no? On the other hand, it seems to me, King Leonidas of "300" is held up as the epitomic depiction of the Alpha male, and not for being a cool-headed senior statesman who reacts to provocation with tact, but because he goes out and is brave and violent. Violence certainly is something strongly associated with the male sex (so much that violent crime is…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 08:58 PM
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Well, yes, this is sort of what I'm trying to get at. But the question then becomes whether people, when giving an answer, say what society agrees to be "masculine", or what feels more masculine to them personally. I think what you (and many others here) are calling "masculine" is just what people outside the gender-obsessed pill scene calls "rational" or "competent". Yes, it's what you should be (probably). But it has nothing to do with being "masculine". You could make a case for men being mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 08:00 PM
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Did he actually cry?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 07:55 PM
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I have no idea whether that makes him more "alpha" or not. It would have been more strategic. But I don't see why rational, competent behaviour suddenly gets called "masculine". Smacking someone is very masculine behaviour. Violence is behavior more typical of men than it is of women, thus it's typically masculine. I think you are just calling competent, rational behaviour "masculine". The uncomfortable truth might be that basic social competence might not be the same as masculinity. There's a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 07:54 PM
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So shouting at him to shut up is the maximum of masculinity, but if you go to the extreme of beating him up, that's less masculine, and if you go the other extreme and become a Zen Buddhist who never does anything, that's also less masculine? Who makes up these rules? I think what you are calling "masculinity" is just what's normally called "sanity" or "competence". Doesn't seem to have anything to do with masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 07:50 PM
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Is there a reason for why self-control is more masculine than just doing whatever you feel like doing? I'm genuinely interested. It seems like some ascetic saint up in a mountain cave would be the ultimate Alpha. But we don't usually think of people who take mgtow to such an extreme as being "alpha".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 04:45 PM
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Yes well, last night I had a moment of consummate cognitive dissonance when a person here posted a CMV in which they, coming from a TRP angle, asserted that Will Smith was a "simp" for doing what he did. It's like the ideology has come full circle now. It's no longer possible to be "alpha", because anything "alpha" is "simp" (except having sex itself, I guess, but you can't just have sex). So what can you be? Take your pick out of being simp by being beta, and simp by being alpha. I guess mgtow …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 04:44 PM
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He's not embarassed himself infront of me and every other female I've talked to about this; we greatly admire and respect him. You seem to think being a "simp" is in itself a bad thing. Why would it be? The supposed problem with being a "simp" is that people who are "simps" do not get what they want by their behaviour, and yet continue it. I don't think that applies here (though it possibly does). Here's my take: Will Smith got genuinely mad, he went up there and delivered a smack. Now, this *in…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/22 04:49 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus\_of\_Willendorf
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/22 06:57 PM
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That's interesting. I constantly get people saying "women have no emotions", "women are coldly calculating", and especially popular: "love doesn't exist" etc. Maybe those people are speaking figuratively. Idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 03:34 PM
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What do you mean, "it felt like"? Isn't that one of the axioms of TRP? What I'm saying is that a lot of women, believe it or not, seem to me to be quite fine with being "lonely childless cat ladies" after a certain age. Maybe there comes a point on the deathbed when people reflect on things they missed out in life, I can't comment on that yet. But I know women in their late 30s to mid 40s who probably are not going to get married anymore or have children (though never say never) who are fine wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 02:42 PM
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I don't think this is a generational difference, but there is definitely interpersonal variation. Age might play some role in this (and thus, "being born after 1990" has an indirect role in it), as I have seen big strong grown women give in to the biological clock and change their priorities. This observation brought me to PPD originally, and I think TRP might be somewhat right about it, even if it's only a peripheral point to them. But I've also seen girls in their early 20s feel lonely and des…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 11:56 AM
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If you simply refuse to believe women saying that they are fine with being single, what could anyone say to change your mind? It's a very common pattern here. People just believe what they believe and reject anything to the contrary, and then ask for their view to be changed. I also don't see the big deal with marrying a divorcee from a TRP point of view. Even the TRP God SSJ Kevin Samuels point out that women do not mind what he calls "exercising options". For once, TRP aligns with my experienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/22 05:34 AM
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See!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 03:30 PM
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No, I don't think she's 30+. I'd say maybe late 20s. However, she is also black and how to accurately guess black people is always in question. She might also be 48 for all I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 02:51 PM
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Most people on here are probably in an age range where "ewww boys" and "ewww girls" is still a reaction that's at least fresh enough in memory to shape these people's view on the entirety of gender relations. And they can't know yet that that reaction is just playing the role of a child and not the reflection of any real sentiment. It's what you do as a child. Unfortunately, this realization can't be taught. They'll have to live through their 20s themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 02:33 PM
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Confirms my suspicion that people on here are mostly kids. Literally everyone in those pictures, with exception of F#10, is too young for me to have any opinion on them at all. The first girl looks like a scene kid right outta 2010, which probably would've been when I was about her age.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 02:26 PM
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I agree with this. I think that's what gets missed in the TRP talk about "high value men" supposedly serially dating a parade of 20-something models in their 40s. In any functional society, the majority of "high value" is going to be people like lawyers, doctors, business owners, programmers, college professors etc. In my experience, these people marry in their 30s, have one or two kids, and the marriages are pretty stable for the next 40 years, or however long they live. That's by no means univ…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 07:32 AM
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Totally absurd. Do you know how many the "top 20%" are, numerically? Taking away the few short years of being a sexy, muscular young person, and the few people who manage to maintain that (Dwayne Johnson level types), the majority of being "top 20%" for most of the age span is going to come from income. Do you realize what kind of people are in those 20%? I keep repeating this mantra; not talking about the richest rich (rockstars, tech billionaires and so forth), just regular upper and upper mid…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 08:51 PM
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Oh god, finally a sane person from the real universe, with actual real-world people experience. Welcome to the grimson world.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 11:36 PM
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I'm not sure. Lots of people do not have children, or adopt children. And the "cannot be reset" part is also sort of a strawman as far as fertility is concerned. Nobody would need to argue that it can be reset, because it doesn't have to be. Sure, there comes an age when childbearing becomes too taxing for the body, but for a community that places so much value on supposed "high value men", there's a dangerous ignorance here of the life reality of actual real-world upper class people. Fertility …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 11:09 PM
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I mostly agree with this, but I think you're missing one point, which is that not being "viscerally" attracted to someone does NOT mean that you're not, or only mildly (sexually) attracted to them. Right now, we have an amazing example of this in the limelight; look at Mr. Zelensky. I think it will be very hard to make a case for why anyone should be viscerally attracted to him: short, sorta chubby guy in his mid-40s, sad face... and yet he is the hearthrob of women all over the world right now …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/22 06:28 PM
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It's not that easy. As a TRPer, you probably think all mental processes are conscious. Your assertion, and that of "women", do not need to contradict each other if you accept the basic assumptions of psychoanalysis and anthropology.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 10:39 AM
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Ever heard of "show, don't tell"? Claiming you are smart and using words from a thesaurus doesn't make your argument non-stupid. Move along, moron. edit: Well, it's not even an argument. It's just a claim. edit2: Actually, I'll do this more justice. Look at Zelensky. Do you think he is "hot" by any objective measure? A short, kind of chubby mid-40s guy, sad face and so on? Are you aware how women are absolutely all over him right now? Why do you think that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 05:24 PM
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I remember something like this (alimony abortion) was argued before SCOTUS many many years ago. Maybe I can dig it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/22 10:02 PM
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I'm sort of surprised at teens espousing this, but then again I think teens just like to rebel. If society is liberal, they'll rebel against the rebellion itself and become traditional. If understood that way, perhaps not surprising. For "adults"? I'm not sure. I think most people eventually come around to a pretty normal lifestyle. Some might still be serially dating in their 30s, but very commonly, people have at least the perspective of coming around to family life. It happens to virtually an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 07:24 PM
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Well, a lot probably goes into that. I won't say 28/35 is going to make up the majority or whatever. But you'll find far more women willing to date a 35yo man at 27 than at 18, given the alternative of a 25yo man. But I generally don't think attraction works how TRP makes it out to work. Age brackets are socially isolated, so I'm not super surprised people marry around their own age range, especially at younger ages. At college, you hang around college aged people. But honestly, I don't know. I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 07:13 PM
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I feel like this is framing the question in an unproductive way. At 18-22, you will find virtually nobody willing to date a 35 year old. But why would we just wonder about that age bracket who's just been teenagers and think of anyone 30+ as real adults and of themselves as kids? I think this question is more productively asked about people aged 26, 27. Five years older, which is a blink of an eye in life history terms, but changes the outlook massively. I know not a single 18-30 pairing. I know…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 06:52 PM
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Interesting hypotheses. I feel like the first one probably has some science to back it up, but the second one is free wheeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 06:48 PM
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I think TRP is dumb, but that's not what they are claiming. They are saying that value can keep increasing over time, and then there's two schools of thought regarding when you peak, one saying it's mid-30s, the other saying it's early 40s, not because you reach peak value at those points, but because that's where your declining body and your improving value have the greatest appeal, supposedly. Yes, you can be Tekashi 69 and actually cap out around 24, 25, and then be all washed up in your 30s …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 06:39 PM
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I'm sort of on the fence about this one. Even TRP usually doesn't claim that being older makes a man physically more appealing. People like Kevin Samuels and 1STMAN and so on will claim that the additional attractiveness comes from tried-and-true pairing "wealth and status" (e.g. Mick Jagger dating a 28 year old model at 73 probably isn't due to youthful looks). 1STMAN is, of course, a 20-something kid who just happens to look like he's 35, so I take him with a grain of salt. Samuels is about 50…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/22 11:03 AM
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I think the issue is that there is not really a point in "debate" when there's an endless supply of people who are unaware that a given issue has been debated (even if it were conclusively so debated) approx. five million times before. You can be sure that, as soon as the dust has settled and you have finally PPD'd your foe into a corner and felled him, there they come, the light of the rising sun gleaming on their shoulderpads: more freshly bred redpillers, carrying with them sentiments identic…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 06:42 PM
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I'm mostly using the TRP cesspool as fertilizer for things I can then do actual research on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 06:37 PM
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I take it seriously. But I only just got here and I can already feel it wane. But it's interesting anyway. I feel like I'm mostly teaching myself by thinking about what people say on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 05:19 PM
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I sort of agree. There were plenty of situations to initiate a hard takedown on Putin in the last 20 years, from Chechnya, to Georgia, to Syria. I'm 50/50 on whether any of these are de facto comparable and the Ukraine situation might be objectively a much bigger combination of unlawfulness and cruelty (the Chechen War definitely saw worse than we've seen in Ukraine (at least so far, but the threat of Grosnyfication is always up there)), but I'm not convinced that there is a hard threshold for l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 05:05 PM
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I agree in principle; but I think it's instructive. How would the Arab world have seen the US? How would the Arab world have seen Iraq? Probably like we see Russia, and like we see Ukraine. I'm sympathetic to the Lugansk and Donetsk "projects" and would've found nothing objectionable if Putin simply "recognized" them (which, in my mental universe, is meaningless anyway), or even if he sent troops there.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 04:51 PM
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I know it's futile, because people here prefer to live in their own fictional universe, but xref /r/AskHistorians here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 04:28 PM
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You don't think you said that, because you're not aware that you'd come to different conclusions than "women have nothing to offer than their vaginas" if you'd consider them. So you must be thinking that emotional attachment, nor an instinct for reproduction, nor biparental investment exist, or that they exist but magically don't matter for forming monogamous long-term relationships. This isn't debating, this is chewing your own arguments for you. I wouldn't put it beyond you to make a cogent ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 02:27 PM
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The more devastating point I've made is probably that it seems implausible to reject that people have a preference for having (and investing in) offspring, that people have a preference for LTR, that people have personal attraction (also known as love). TRP axiomatically assumes these not to exist, which seems just phenomenally wrong even on first glance. It's thus not a theory that describes reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 02:17 PM
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Alright
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 01:04 PM
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As expected, TRP "sociological theory" (lol) fails to accurately describe reality because it fails to take into account attraction, the desire to have a family, the desire to have children... I really wonder why TRP doesn't correct its model? How does TRP justify the bullcrap assumption that it can throw out factors recognized by psychology, medcine, biology any and all discipline of social research. "Oh, but TRP doesn't have to be science." Well, no, but if it isn't, then it doesn't describe re…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 12:59 PM
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Many people think that having kids in a better financial situation will allow those kids to do better in life. And "better financial situation" often means "later in life". Sure, that's "whiny" unter a certain perspective. But it's also a noble goal. Anyway, whether it's noble or whiny, people do what they do. It doesn't matter what we think it is. It's still happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 12:07 PM
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I don't think "dad bod", just like "old" or "young", has a single definition through all of society. You need to look at it relative to people's social environment. Guys at that age are extremely slim, so that's what people that age take as the standard. I'm not sure what's missing, probably both muscle and fat. Next to them, yes, JM is going to look "voluminous". Ask people 30+, they probably wouldn't think of it as a dad bod. You would probably have to look like John Cho to not have a dad bod …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 09:48 AM
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Your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/22 06:53 AM
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I definitely noticed that people on PPD have this focus on maintaining weight as the key to staying attractive past 30. Me, having a bit of a background in plastic surgery, was always sort of bewildered by that. I don't really buy into the whole thing of people finding only 22-year-olds attractive, but if that's what floats your boat, there's a lot more you'd need to fix than weight. But I realize that being overweight is sort of in-your-face, and if it is common, it might very well take a promi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 10:22 PM
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I think this is one of the big dividing lines in this sub. While there are definitely people who are doing fine in their later 30s, 40s, 50s without kids, I always feel like most of the people like the one you are responding to are maybe 30, 31, or maybe much younger and trolling, but at the very least not really thinking long-term, because they fail to even conceptually understand - or at least spitefully making it sound like they don't understand - why people get married and have kids. I reali…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 05:48 PM
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I sort of get the impression the discussion on whether kids are actually expensive to raise is sort of a moot point. Yes, you can raise a litter on welfare or a student loan, if you want to. The point is, most people don't think that's a very good idea. So the point you're making about marriage ages being driven up by the longer climb to financial security still stands, even if some people, like /u/gimpgirl555, are detractors regarding the possibility. But we don't need anyone to tell us that. L…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 05:38 PM
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Well, yes, I shouldn't have used the term "premise". What I meant was it looked like you were going down a wrong trail (in my estimation) with: Fear of losing wealth? losing custody? You asked about these, rather than assumed them. So I shouldn't have called them premises.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:05 PM
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Not a response to your question, but I think you are going by wrong premises. People marrying older (up to a point) have lower divorce rates. People dating longer have lower divorce rates. Both of these have become more common. People are now free not to marry at all, so those who do are probably more secure in their choice. I'm in Europe; I don't know about the US, but divorce rates here are lower for higher socioeconomic strata and for the well educated, who are also typically those who marry …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 01:40 PM
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Yeah, and I even have enough reading comprehension to more or less understand your hood-craft writing. Impressive, innit? I'd love to give you a share of my reading comprehension, just enough for you to understand yourself. I'll educate you, it's really simple: You are on Miami beach. You're hanging with a few girls who sleep with you because you have money (or something of that sort of nature). TRP makes the claim that women in general are like how you say they are. Now you say TRP is correct b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:41 PM
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But go on speaking on stuff you can’t relate to or experience. That's what you are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 04:00 PM
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Well, if you want to get into the weeds, there is a lot that is neither cultural nor strictly genetically predetermined. There is some indication that preference for "heavier" sexual partners increases in response to malnourishment (which makes sense), and polygamous and monogamous mating preferences respond to disease burden in a population, as does tolerance for age differences (iirc, in societies with lower disease burden, people express a greater preference for partners of the same age, wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:44 PM
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This doesn't seem to have anything to do with using LTR and cohabitation as a counter-argument to promiscuity, though. Never mind what society thinks about unmarried couples cohabiting, the point of the person you were replying to was that we can use LTR and subsequent marriage as an indicator that promiscuity isn't as widespread as TRP makes it look. And I'm saying, well, probably even without marriage, people in a cohabiting LTR are not going to be as promiscuous as singles are. I grant you th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 03:25 PM
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Yeah, teenager might be the cue here. I don't think it's universal, but I do think it's an instinct that many men have. Just like they think 30+ women are unattractive. It took me awhile to wrap my head around this, because it's hard to harmonize with what I see in society every day. And then I realized virtually everyone in TRP is probably really young.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 02:01 PM
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Interesting. But for the purpose of monogamy, probably living together is the same, whether married or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:57 PM
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I think this might really be an American thing. I'm in Europe and have spent the last decade in university (BA,MA,doctoral...) Sure, I didn't hang out with the coolest kids. But I really don't think something like this is going on in Europe. Maybe it's real in the US, but I can't relate at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:55 PM
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Sure. But I wouldn't go as far as saying "in Western culture nowadays". Metonymic drift was always a thing. But there are many words that seem to be like that, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:38 PM
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Doesn't almost everyone get married at some point?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:23 PM
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Well. The world is a complicated place. We've come far from being 30 people in a forest, just needing words for rock, stick, fire, man, woman. Language didn't keep pace. But it's also just the exigencies of communicating something. Yeah, you can define a word for "exercisement of a right which is restrictive upon someoneone else's opportunities". Maybe that exists in legalese. But who will know that word? Who has the time to speak that out, or listen to it? Saying "misogynistic!!!!" is quicker. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:20 PM
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I think this is a good explanation. This is pretty much how preference for chastity is constructed as being "misogynistic". I don't agree it is misogynistic, but I do agree it is something restrictive on women's behaviour. I do think it's everyone's good right to prefer whatever they prefer, but I don't see merely shaming you for "slut shaming" in itself impinges on that right. It's essentially a "tactic" to make you stop exercising a right that is against our interest. I say "tactic" in parenth…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:06 PM
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Hypothesis: that's probably because you happen to live in the 2010s and 2020s. People objecting to "slut shaming" is a pretty recent thing. Psychology Today, which I'd still count as half-way scientific, ran a piece awhile ago that said that slut-shaming is mostly initiated and supported by unattractive women. Why? Well, that should be obvious: it's those women who can't get as much and have to compete with those who can. Restricting everyone levels the playing ground. However: some things are j…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 01:04 PM
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I mean, yeah. Are you trying to actually bring science into this? Of course, all of TRP is complete and utter trash by any standard of evidence. I've yet to see anything written by TRP gurus in their function as TRP gurus cited in academic publications. I think you can take TRP as self-reports of people's particular social universe. It's what they are experiencing, and even that has to be taken with a grain of salt, as there are many trolls, liars and bitter people whose brains are clouded into …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 12:54 PM
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I don't think I'm shifting the goalposts so much, as trying to synthesize the demo-eco paradox with "happiness" as the goalpost originally brought up by /u/TheEternalGhost (TEG). TEG originally said: It seems a given that healthy functional successful are people more likely to have children, and also to report as being more happy. To which you responded (correctly) that particularly economically successful people do not procreate as much as others. To which my synthesis would be: Some socially d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/22 12:41 PM
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Well, that's not what I said. Some women, sometimes, do want sex. Like I said, they might want sex with someone attractive. Because it's fun. But not for self-esteem. That's all I'm saying. Being attractive in itself gives self-esteem. It might also let you have sex. But even though I haven't said it, I still think, no dressing provocatively does not mean a woman wants to have sex. She might just want to be attractive. She MIGHT want sex. But she MIGHT not want it. Of course, I can't speak for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:27 PM
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I'll say it is a problem. Definitely when you outta school. I met everyone via work. Gives you some time to actually get to know people, no pressure. But it does narrow down the possibilities a fair bit. I work with several changing teams, so I get to meet and get to know a lot of people. Most people might not have that advantage. I generally agree that there's a problem with situations in which you can socially acceptably approach anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:16 PM
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I'm 50/50 on teenagers. Yes, sometimes, teenage girls feel like that. That's usually the start of the end for mental health. Adult women, by and large, do not feel that way about casual sex. Women have sex because they feel attracted to someone. Which is what I would have assumed about men too, and I'm astonished that anyone would ask that. You want to have sex with them not because of self worth, but because they are hot and it's fun. But posting provocative pictures isn't the same. As I was sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:05 PM
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Hm. The moment I find a sub centered around women trading tips on how to abandon their husbands and families and finding many big cocks to get filled up, I totally concede. But what I am seeing is a constant stream of people coming into PPD, talking about how all men ought to abandon their "low value" 30 year old wives and get a "high value" 22 year old to pump into. What image do you think I am getting of these men? I'm the FIRST person to point out that the majority of men in the real world do…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:25 PM
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That would be really misogynistic, you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:11 PM
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I would tend to agree, but until the broader society starts acting like it, I don't think individual opinions matter. Oh. Well. Yes. We are just playing around online. None of this matters. I personally think of myself as being born, just passing through, looking at the great mysteries of the world for a little while, then I die and go on to bigger and better things. It's pretty clear nothing we are going to say on the internet here is going to matter for society. It just matters to ourselves. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:43 PM
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Oh, it's real. But I don't think it "dictates" that a handsome guy will always achieve a bigger impact with the same behaviour. What's with TRP's favorite go-tos, wealth and status? An ugly ass President or billionaire or famous artist will possibly have a bigger impact than a handsome 25 year old. edit: But even then, I'd say that halo effect having an impact is a plausible hypothesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:39 PM
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Great comeback. Turned 13 yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:23 PM
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Can't have what both ways, what do you think dictate means? That this will always make a behaviour of the better-looking person be more appealing than that same behaviour of an uglier person. You're not explaining how you think dictate is being misused. I can't argue your non argument. Well, now I explained what that word means. That doesn't say anything about why I think it's wrongly used here, of course. Your argument should say something like "this is the wrong word usage because...(insert re…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 05:22 PM
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Nobody generalized I said it OFTEN was the case not always. You said: women would rather gaslight men about than admit "Women" would rather do so. It doesn't matter whether the words get used for the purpose of gaslighting sometimes, always or often. You are saying women, in general, would rather gaslight. Well you'd be incorrect as that is a fine usage of the word. Well... I thought you wanted to say something correct, but were using a wrong word. But if you insist that you want to say what tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:39 PM
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I never said I was talking about men in general. I was talking about many men at a certain stage in life, such as horny teenagers, and those who've not grown beyond that stage. That's not the majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:35 PM
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No, I may not want. You are saying B is wrong, and then you ask me what B is. Waste of time to continue this convo. Too stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:31 PM
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Okay, recap: You object to what I wrote because you think A is wrong. I clarify that I did not mean A, but B, and I say that I agree that A is wrong. You say that you still object to what I wrote because you think A is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 04:01 PM
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Words like vibe game dynamic etc are [...] vague Yes. and are often used in reference to Maybe. shallow preferences that women would rather gaslight men about than admit. Why the generalization? Some women do that. Some men do that. No need to generali... oh never mind, generalizing is axiomatic to TRP, right? This isn't to say these things don't exist I agree. but halo effect dictates I object to your use of "dictates", but I think you want to say something that's true. those who are very good …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:58 PM
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Zoomers are different. They don't have the same hang ups about age. Again. that's not at all my experience. In my experience, people under 27 by and large think of people 30+ as disgusting (of course, there are exceptions). 30+, people become more open to each other. But I don't know. Maybe where you live, there really is a generational difference. It'd be interesting to explore that. PPD is generally too full of generalizing statements. Things might very well be different in some places. But me…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 03:41 PM
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People here generally don't seem to believe in "dynamic". I'm glad you do. Makes it much easier to understand reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:08 PM
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Well, I'm an adult. It almost never happens. Not that I can't tell people of either sex to be attractive. But been there, done that, I have things to do. Why would I randomly stop what I'm doing to have sex? It gets boring. Sure, when you are 18, it has novelty value. But do it for a decade and it won't make you go outta your way anymore. At least that's what it's like for me. I would be doing fine without having sex, except for having kids. Now if your gf is like, 22, you might not want to gene…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:06 PM
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Well, that's a far bridge into /r/AskAnthropology and /r/AskPsychology. I generally try to keep actual science out of discussions here, because all of PPD would instantly go into meltdown if it ever got into contact with people who actually knew what they were talking about. I think we ought to keep lobsters out of these discussions in particular. That aside, though, I think what you're saying sort of aligns with something I think is a general misconception of TRP, which is to confuse psychodyna…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 02:02 PM
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Please read my response to eye_fuck, it deals with just that objection.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:41 PM
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> That's fine. She gets his money and he gets her looks. Fair trade, everyone wins. Not to the person I was replying to. But, yes, I guess if there is an end to it, it can work. If all you want is five more years of hotness, and then you are good, you can do fine. It's when you want more and more hotness for the rest of your life that things become a problem. Sure, if you Kanye, if you Elon Musk, if you Mick Jagger, you can have actual relationships of normal length with younger women (and even …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 01:39 PM
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Well... In my experience, 30yo doctors have a LOT of options for both LTRs or casual stuff. I don't know why you're assuming that a 30yo doctor's only options are one 29yo who isn't physically attracted to him or a lifetime of prostitutes. No doctor is limited to exclusively seeing prostitutes unless they have something else majorly wrong with them. I wasn't necessarily talking about OP. I was talking about the person I was responding to. That person said: so, now she's matured and realized that…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 12:22 PM
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Except that's not true. Men become more fuckable with age. Not more "conventionally attractive" but more sexually arousing. They also become more experienced. Well, we're not going to agree on this point. It depends a lot on the age brackets involved, of course. Men aged 50 are going to be able to date women aged 35. But a man aged 35 is going to have a harder time with women aged 20. To be sure, I've seen 20s/40s relationships. But I still think older men will be less attractive to younger wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 11:56 AM
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Yes, and the "value" thing doesn't really make sense to me either. Nobody can really explain to me what it is, and when I ask whether it's "number of possible sexual partners", they say no, that's not it. And I guess what you are saying about what motivates him makes sense. But why throw out your whole life because a girl was stuck up about you 20 years ago? No kids, no family, forever alone (except prostitutes) for 80 years. In my experience, people (yes, even men) have ideas about their lives …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 11:10 AM
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Well, I think you are onto something. An interesting question would be to what degree inceldom and basement dwelling correlates for the entirety of the reproductive period with socioeconomic success. We're all aware of the trope of the unattractive incel nerd who then becomes a rich software developer or whatever. Economic and interpersonal success are different dimensions, but they are probably correlated in some way. There are interpersonally dysfunctional people who do well in "formal" societ…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 10:53 AM
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Men sleep around by paying for sex. And men over 30 can usually afford to pay for it. Money unlocks thots, porn stars, strippers, and other hot sloots that men are attracted to. Okay, yes. No contest there. If that's what we are talking about, you are right. But mature Chads aren't looking for most women. They can afford to be picky. Only hot sloots are good enough. This is sort of missing the point. The "most women" who will be turned off by an older man will include hot women proportionally, p…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 10:45 AM
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Well, I obviously don't think so. You are probably right about younger women, teenagers, twentysomethings. Women 40+, 50+? Not so much. I mean... probably if they had the choice to be more attractive, they would be. But being beautiful is also something different from having sex. I'd want to be pretty, but I don't necessarily want people to have sex with me. Why would I? And it's something else to be rejected, than not being interested in the first place. If you are rejected, then you apparently…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 09:25 AM
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The centrality of "having sex" for men isn't really so present for women. That's not to say there's not similarly central things for women. Many women want to have children, for example. Finding out you will never be able to have children is probably an experience that is identity-breaking for women in the same way as the inability to seed themselves is for men. That's the impression I get. Both of these are about reproduction, but they are slightly different. Lots of women want to have a child …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:19 AM
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"Ego/self worth", for women, doesn't depend as much on whether anyone has sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:14 AM
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Numerically, there's no problem. But women might not be interested in who they can pull when they are 60, 70.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:13 AM
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I agree I often get the feeling that men of a certain life stage (not necessarily age), and this is going to sound very rude, see the point of their existence mostly as robot units carrying a large rod and serving their genetic material to female units with it. Like a toaster's point being to toast. And if nobody is interested in their services, they become sad and depressed, like a toaster in a household where people don't like to eat toast. I'm not sure this is because men have a higher drive,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:08 AM
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Oh, I stand corrected on that point. I thought B&M were the same age. But yes, there's modern medicine, and even without that, it's completely possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 08:00 AM
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Why are we all here? Because we want to understand each other's position, no? I'm just a curious person.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:57 AM
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I don't see how this relates to what I said? edit: oh, never mind, I do. Well, I used "perfectly legitimate reasons" in the sense OP used the expression. OP used the expression to say that the reasons are longer life expectancy (as suggested in the article). I don't think that's the reason. But I've no doubt that most (real) men date across an age gap for "legitimate" reasons, i.e. genuine attraction. I don't have much use for the term "fairness". No, men by and large don't really get to sleep a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:49 AM
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Look, it doesn't matter what you read in some study. It probably didn't say what you think it said anyway. I'm probably wasting my energy on typing a response for you, but maybe someone else is going to read this and learn something out of it: My point is that the DEGREE to which you find "older" women unattractive is going to go down a lot as you get older. It does for anyone I know. Of course, a 20 year old is going to think a 35 year old is old and ugly. He's a child. It's natural. But as he …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 07:49 AM
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Well, it's a theory, not the actual emotional cosmos of the people who believe in it. How does someone make it fit with their adherence to TRP when they actually experience love themselves? Presumably they tell themselves that they can feel it, but women can't. (Which, to be fair, might be true. Maybe the feeling "love" is very different for men and women. Or even between people. We only have our own perspective on it, after all.) But it's also perfectly possible that people gravitate to theorie…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 12:38 AM
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It's not gymnastics. It's a clarification.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 12:22 AM
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You would need to have been alive for a long ass time to have seen enough batches of 20 year olds and 30 year olds to make a call on this one. I haven't noticed people becoming more attractive than the people my age in, say, the 2000s. Haircuts were weird back then, but I'm sure people found them normal back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 12:19 AM
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This doesn't happen to everyone, but it sure would be nice if we had a way to check people's warranty at the start of a relationship. But that's just a special case of a more general need to check many long-term factors before getting into a relationship. And probably there are way to check for things like that, but I think most of the time we don't bother to do so, because they're not part of who we are attracted to. I think both TRP and people like you are wrong about the reasons why people da…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 12:15 AM
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Here's a compromise: I don't think men do that "because they are predators". But they also don't do so because of "perfectly legitimate reasons" (at least not what you mean with that expression here), but simply because they want to because of their sexual desire. Certainly not because they think they'll have a slightly longer life expectancy 40 years down the line if they hit on an 18 year old at 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 12:05 AM
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Doesn't seem to say anything about the ideal age gap. Says alot about non-zero age gaps not being a problem, and a lot about correlation not being causation. The only definite statement about an ideal age gap makes it out to be zero, apparently, because zero is the ideal age gap to optimize female longevity. Nothing else says anything definite about the benefits of any other age gap. And I'm not sure what this last point has to do with PPD. Might be better at home in an Anthro or Biology sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/22 12:01 AM
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I'm not bullshitting. Had your dad opted to have you with a woman with half a brain, maybe - just maybe - you would've been able to comprehend what I wrote and perhaps you would even have been able to type up a decent response, you decrepit idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 11:44 PM
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I'd be creeped out as hell. But not because the proposal is bad in itself. But because here is someone with not enough self awareness to adhere to basic social rules. I'd think there's a disease, maybe a frontal lobe tumor, going on. In a society in which it was normal, I wouldn't mind. I would probably reject, but no offense taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 10:08 PM
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Oh, I'm not OP. As far as I can tell, OP is someone called BornSquirrel3272.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 08:59 PM
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I don't think it's that clear cut, really. I do think older men are doing better, slightly, than women. I can name many many outliers, both men and women, who are way better looking than they should be at their age, but I'm old enough to see them now. Ten years ago, I probably wouldn't have been able to recognize them. But just statistically, men do seem to be doing better, relationship-wise, than women, with age. This could be because they genuinely age slower, appearance-wise. Or it could be b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 08:57 PM
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What's value? That term gets tossed around so much, but nobody is able to tell what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 08:32 PM
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You're probably about 19. Just wait until you see all the 27 year old hotties when you're 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 08:05 PM
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This. And that's what TRP angry teenage boys don't realize. They absolutize their own idea of what attractiveness is. I'd probably rather date Apollonia Kotero, who's twice my age, than I would date a 20 year old. I do think there's a visual decline in absolute terms, but it matters less as you get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 08:04 PM
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Yeah, I think people variously use it to express either the time at which a person becomes noticeably more ugly, or the point at which they will have it harder to find a sexual or romantic partner. These don't necessarily coincide.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 08:01 PM
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There's definitely a lot of 40-something men posting on here about regularly hooking up with 20-somethings (and sometimes, 20s women agree with them). Likewise, on /r/AskWomenOver30, you regularly get people in their 20s asking about their 40-something s/o. So it's probably not totally unreal. I've seen it happen a few times as well in RL. From my experience, pairings of, say, 22/40 are virtually impossible. But late-20s/40? It totally happens. I generally disagree with making age an issue in re…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 07:57 PM
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Honestly this. I feel like a lot of this 30 Wall thing limited to, well, white people. I'm Asian and around a lot of Asians and I always look very hard to try and find out whether it's just me being older now, or whether women around me are really doing much better past 30. Look at Lisa Ling, Lucy Liu and so on. Maybe it's not all natural, but even well done ~50 white women don't look like that. And don't get me started on black people. Lupita Nyong'o looked about 15 at 35. Angela Bassett is 60+…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 07:44 PM
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Not maybe. Yes you did lol. Yes, I get your point. You started the thread on a looks premise (which I agreed with). Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 07:41 PM
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Eh, rule of thumb when people use terms like "old" and "geriatric" on here and just wrap it up in stating their personal choice so they have a sentence to use those words in. Maybe I misjudged in your case. I think it might be immoral to bring a child into this world at all. But that aside, there's egg freezing (and sperm freezing, too, which is also advised to do before 35 for men), so it's possible to minimize the risk to the child. At same time, older couples are better at raising and providi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 07:30 PM
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Yeah, sure. I think that's a bad choice because the risks involved in that are really too small to be an influence on life choices, but it's your call. But as a factual statement, it's misleading to say that it doesn't work in general, just because you weigh the risks differently. Also, no need to be so butthurt. That made me lol a little. Let's have a factual discussion, not some backhanded bitter attempt to be insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:58 PM
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Why would a 35 year old be less interested in marriage than a 25 year old? At least where I live, the opposite is probably true. 25 year olds are playing around, at 35 the time is pressing to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:49 PM
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Well, maybe. But I don't think that's how you'll be feeling about it when you're that age. God knows I've seen other people talk just like you. They all weren't able to resist their changing sexual feelings as they got older. Maybe you'll make it. All the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:38 PM
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I usually argue a lot against TRP stuff, but I think I'd give it slightly more credit. My 20s were relatively recent, and I would tell you that, on a purely aesthetic level, The Wall is real for young people. When you 20, normal people aged 30+ look old and gross as f# (Yes, there are exceptions. There were people 30+, 40+ I found amazingly attractive when I was in my 20s or even teens. But on average.). I think where this theory goes wrong is that they absolutize it. They think because 30 year …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:33 PM
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Yeah it works. God, people's idea of fertility here. Not everyone has early menopause, and of those who are, not everyone is a broke ass couple without access to fertility medicine. The Obamas had their kids at 39 and 41. That's not really rare. Fertility declines (more rapidly) after 35. It doesn't just fall to zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:14 PM
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Not necessarily the kind of men we'd want to associate with. But sure, numerically, there is no issue. Even beyond "the wall". You could always find someone. Lots of desperados out there, you know? And some women do that. That's how some people end up with eight kids from ten fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:10 PM
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I'm not really sure I can follow what you're trying to say. Do you really think people need to be told not to start a relationship with a woman they don't find hot? There are some people who want to be with a hot woman. They already know that. I also don't think relationships based on hotness are very functional, except at two points in life: when you are a teenager/early20s, and when you are rich or retired and get an 18 year old mail order bride. But try to be a guy in your 30s, with an averag…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 06:06 PM
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What do you mean? More options than young women and 36 year old women? Yes, sure. That's my point. You'll probably date around your own age.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 05:51 PM
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Well, don't take my word for it, but yes, I think that would be how it is. But I don't think you "realize" anything. It's just that your preferences change. It's not a thinking process. It's not so much that you stop wanting "hot" guys, but what you think is "hot" will change. You stop wanting muscular airheads. I guess what weirds me out about your perspective is this "fairness" element. It's totally alien to me. But I realize it's the central fetish of TRP. But sure, you don't have to have a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 04:49 PM
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Not as frequently as priorities. Well, you do you. Unless we herd up a representative number of humans and measure their brainwaves, we won't be able to know. But that's generally the problem with any of these debates. Your theory is as good as mine. No. I don't say that. But if you truly love someone, it should include both romantic & sexual attraction. This isn't black and white. Sexual attraction is not only a component in total attraction, but it also changes in response to things that aren'…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 03:26 PM
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No. People change. Again, a teenager or early-20s person coming through, haven't seen enough life to realize this, but: people change. Preferences change. Why would you call pure physical sexual attraction the only form of "truely wanting" someone, and anything else being a "safety net"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 03:03 PM
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Well, everyone here just has access to a very small part of the world that they see through experience. We're all grasping at straws to generalize it. I, for example, have seen overweight, bald Comic Book Guy Star Trek nerds in their 40s date girls in their 20s. I've not seen any millionaires (or otherwise well-off people) in their 30s do that. The successful people in relationships in their 30s that I knew, except one, were all married to wives of similar age, usually with small kids and a care…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:28 PM
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What is a person's "quality"? What does a person have to do or be in order for that person to be "high quality"? What does it mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:22 PM
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He doesn't have a definition of "high quality", and I actually doubt anyone has. The word gets tossed around a lot and a lot of TRP strings end at it, and several TRP concepts are really well defined, but I found this one to be absolute mush. Nobody can tell me what it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 02:19 PM
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1) How do you define "high-quality"? Is "high-quality" the same as having high SMV? 2) And I agree 30/24 is very normal. But at least in my experience, success has very little to do with it. I've seen bum ass overweight Comic Book Guy Star Trek 40 year old nerds dating 20-somethings (think Bobby Lee/Khalyla Kuhn, except the guy wasn't a famous comedian). Not because the guy is wealthy, but because (probably) because he's mature and funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 10:31 AM
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No, you didn't say that and I don't think it's important you said that or not. You can replace those with pretty much any other numbers that people put into theories like yours. Before I get into the weeds, just so we are on the same page: what do you mean by "equal"? It means having the same number of possible sexual partners, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 10:11 AM
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Man, I can pretty much copy-paste the same response under each of these posts. Look. Unless you are a literal millionaire, and/or going to a third world country, your income is not going to make you date a 23 year old at 37. Mick Jagger, yes. John McAfee, yes. Hugh Hefner, yes. You, random human making 100 quid, very likely, no. Is that so hard to realize? Two things will happen as you get older, 9 times out of 10. The obsession your young man self has with women under 30 will go away. Suddenly,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/22 09:51 AM
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Not every ex is portrayed this way, but of those who are: A part of them are exes because they were abusive; another part are retroactively abusive because they are now exes. I also think "abusive" has a rather lose definition in modern English. The other day, some girl posted about macing her husband because he shouted at her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 11:41 AM
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If 82 is your birth-year, that's probably the explanation: you're an adult. People with hangups around this are an estimated 17-23. They don't need their views changed, those years will zoom past them and they'll grow out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:53 PM
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Most people here probably are. I've yet to see people over the age of 25, let alone 30, admit that this matters to them. And who the f# cares what people 17-23 think is an important factor in how they conduct their relationships. That time in life will blitz past, and then they have a further 50-60 years of life to live out, including adult relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:52 PM
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I think you are fine to have any preference you like (as long as you don't act on certain ones, if you have them). I just don't think preferences for low numbers of sexual partners are widespread enough to significantly affect the dating market. But this is probably going to vary by culture. As you see, the person you are responding to is from Europe. People in Europe usually marry later than in the US, often at 30+. From what I can tell, people 30+ generally don't care about the number of sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:47 PM
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Well, you see the kind of response you get. There's not really a lot of ways to change anyone's views if they take wild guesses at the motivation of other people's spouses, and just claim they are "sure of it". How is anyone going to argue with that. CMV is never going to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 07:39 PM
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Is this n count thing really a thing beyond a community that is vocal online? Statistically, how many people care about it? I certainly haven't met anyone in the real world who professed to care about it (well, a few muslims in school over a decade ago, who'd only wanted a virgin). But I'm around pretty left-leaning people and also lots of "older" people (who generally don't seem to give a wooden nickle about things that seem very important when you 18-25), so that might skew my perception. edit…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 02:35 PM
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22 year old women are still mostly in college, quite frankly this is the biggest disconnect there is not much social interaction between 40 and 20 year olds, the man has to actively look for them. I agree this plays a role. In short women don't care about age, Probably not true. I've heard too many women here be disgusted by the idea of a much older partner. Now if you are saying that age itself doesn't matter, I kind of agree. There was a guy in this thread posting how women lose interest when …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 05:39 PM
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He's not that much older than me, he's an immensely succesful designer/investor/businessman/musician/producer..., richest AfAm in history... Decent looking too, though I don't dig the denim onesie. I'm just saying, maybe. Certainly not the current meltdown-ish Kanye, though. But rappers of the caliber of Young Dolph (RIP)? China Mac? Tekashi? Not really. edit: On a second thought, the only person out of these I can't _imagine_ dating would be Tekashi. The others are probably normal people. I jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 12:37 PM
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*shrug* Sure. I'm not saying you can't compensate for it, or that my preferences must be everyone else's. And it's a subculture in which prostitution is more normal than in mine, maybe. I don't want to date any rappers, except maybe Kanye when he's not crazy. But there are people who do, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 12:11 PM
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What can I say. The world is a big place. There's whole segments of society where I can't imagine married men frequent prostitutes. Can you imagine Obama going to prostitutes? Not saying we aren't surprised sometimes, but it's still far from universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 11:34 AM
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Not a wall, but a steep incline. Some keep climbing for awhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 09:57 AM
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I'm disgusted by it. My brain shows me images of disgusting men when I think about who does it. ​ But I know that that is just my brain. My mind does not have a problem with it, as long as it is between consenting adults. (Doing this to women who are forced into it is on a different page, of course.) ​ I still don't want a relationship with a person like that, because I'm an adult and want to date an adult, not someone who has a drive like that. It's not a productive investment for building a fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 09:52 AM
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That's a problem I have with the majority of debates around this. They are usually from the perspective of an American mainstream teen/tween male. That's just a small part of the picture, especially when you draw "laws of biology" out of it, you are bound to miss something.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 08:48 AM
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Shoot me if you want, but I think Leonardo DiCaprio, compared to his pretty boy past self, has turned into a very average 40 year old. Viggo Mortensen or The Rock at his age were doing much better. Even randos not known for their good looks, say Jeezy, or Sam Lake, are doing better at 40+. But I agree that this doesn't matter. In all of the m40s/f20s relationships I know, the guy is an overweight nerd, either with messy hair, or no hair. Possibly not representative, but it's not impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 08:45 AM
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I'm almost certain the majority of large-gap relationship will be at higher ages; people below, say, 27, are incredibly discriminatory about age, probably because physical attraction is more important at those ages. Large age gaps are probably more common among people who marry late, after a divorce, or widowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 08:32 AM
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Interesting. I've been toying around with the idea that "being older" is in itself a turnoff, even if you are Edward Cullen, independent of aging penalty on aesthetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 08:26 AM
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This strengthens my hypothesis that 40s man and late 20s woman relationships are really common. You will find virtually zero m40/f22, but m40/f28 is not surprising, I know many relationships in that ballpark. (I suppose this is where a part of the common 50+M/late-30sF relationships come from.)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 07:33 AM
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I don't see how this has a lot to do with it. You want to say women pick on women with older partners "because they get pleasure from it and enjoy doing it"? Possibly. But that doesn't make a good case for "crab bucket mentality", nor explain why it's this group in particular. And I don't even think that's true. Women are not mean to other women with older partners. We might try to discourage it from happening. But most of the time, older men are targeted with vitriol, not their younger partners…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 07:29 AM
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My personal reason for being interested with age: hating to get older, but also genuine interest in how we perceive and judge attractiveness. Has nothing to do with identity politics, and I think age discrimination is actually a blind spot of IP.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 07:21 AM
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I think most of what I could add to this has already been said by others. I agree in principle, but for relationships, it's somewhat clear that older men have an easier time. Not an in-your-face degree of easier, but still. It doesn't even matter if you look younger than your age, you're still 40. I had a whole post on exactly this topic a few weeks ago, and I disagree on this point. Someone who genuinely looks shockingly and unnaturally young can get away with it if it is genuine, and not just …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 07:11 AM
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Have you thought about the possibility that some men might want a relationship and family? Not everyone wants to spend their life on ONS, some people have other dreams (even men). So there's no objectively "better" here. But even if your dream is to have sex all the time: if you're not Richard Gere, you will probably also have to live out a large part of your life beyond the "young and hot" stage. If you can't manage to be boyfriend material at some point in the process, you won't be ONS'ing any…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 09:20 AM
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Want to go back to the times where our dads take the battle-axe to any suitor under the age of 35 who's had the time to build himself up his own farmstead or workshop?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 08:34 PM
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I wonder how much of a problem this really is among adults. Sure, 20-somethings make a lot of how women past 20, or 23, or 27 are unattractive to them. I'm pretty sure they'll get settled in once they are over 30, half because they won't be in a place to trade anyone for anything, because, well, the average 50 year old man is NOT Paul Rudd, half because when you 30+, suddenly those 30 year old girls look young and delicious. But I think the most important factor is that the relationship has to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 11:11 AM
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Yeah, I think you can outsource the having-kids part. It's easier not to have kids when you can be the aunt (or uncle) because someone else in the family has had a bunch of them. Many childless/free people prefer that setup: having some playtime with their nieces and nephews every once in awhile, but having the freedom to opt out of the hard work that comes with raising a child. But when you're on your own, the decision becomes quite difficult to bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 10:53 AM
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There's maybe other things going on with your friend. If you look at /r/AskWomenOver30 or /r/childfree, you'll find many people happy with their choice at 50+. Most of them are probably not living in a college dorm, but with a partner and cats in a nice house or so. I suspect the living situation might have something to do with it. It's not just not having a child, it's also the mere fact of looking at all the happy young people and seeing them for what nature has taken away from you. It's a ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 10:48 AM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 10:16 AM
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I don't think so. I'm sort of trying to look at the bigger picture. People come here for different stories. For some people, that story might be to have lots of sex while young (and not as old guys going to Thailand or Philippines). I suppose if you ruin the rest of your life over a decade of sex, that's bad prioritizing. But a decade of sex and a ordinary life? I'm not sure. People might be fine with that. You can't always live for tomorrow. Tomorrow you'll be old. I also don't really buy into …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 08:13 AM
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They don't make everyone feel like that. You might be getting too old for it. Or you got swept up in a social mode that doesn't really chime with your personality. Happens all the time. People listen to hiphop for a decade before they discover they actually like Mozart, but grew up in the hood.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 08:05 AM
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I guess if you just want to talk about what optimizes a 20-23 year old man's sheer ability to rack up numbers on 20-23 year old women, I can't really say anything about that. You might be right. edit: But then, your point 2 is moot. A 35 year old guy is rarely going to be able to land with a 20 year old woman (not never), even with muscle. And many 35 year old guys wouldn't be interested in 20 year olds anyway, even if they are supposedly most attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 08:01 AM
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I wouldn't put it beyond someone who looked like, say, Ed Mylett, to pull in a pool of late-20s women. But I'm 30+ and generally more open to older than most, so I might be misjudging. Chances are that most age brackets of men would do better to build for their own age bracket, and not for women 20 years younger than them. And there's probably opportunity cost associated too. Physical attraction matters, but it's just a very small part of the picture, especially for adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/22 01:33 AM
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Who cares about who swipes on whom on Tinder? How many people use Tinder? Who uses Tinder? You will definitely start thinking of 28-year-olds as hot and attractive. You can't imagine this right now, because you are probably a teenager. You can't know this yet. You will even think of women in their late 30s as attractive eventually. It will happen. I'll give you that maybe you will find 21-year-olds more attractive forever. But you will not find 28 year olds unattractive. Plus, cosmetics is advan…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 10:56 AM
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Well.... I'm the first person who'll admit there is a difference in how at least women view relationships between older women and younger men, vs relationships between older men and younger women. I've been haunting /r/AskWomenOver30 for awhile, and every now and again, some 20s boy comes and asks for relationship advice for a 40s "girl". People think that's "cute" and encourage him. If a 40s man asked for advice on a 20s girl, people would be horrified and tell him he's beerbellied, bald, diabe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 06:58 AM
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Yeah. Not yet. But maybe you never will. Maybe you'll settle down before. That's totally possible. But you will find them soooo attractive. 21 year olds will look like a different species to you. You'll see.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 09:09 PM
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I'm really bewildered where people get these ideas from. Probably if your area of observation is twentysomething hookup culture, it's possible you are right, yes. But no adult woman cares about how big your penis is, or how much muscle you have when it gets to actual relationships. I think this is something this debate misses; whom adults find physically attractive has ultimately very little to do with who they would want to date/marry. Most of society happens beyond the confines of the 15-25 ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 08:38 PM
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Homosexual men tell men. But they often have standards quite distinct from those of women, so eh. In general, I do think this is a problem. I think you need to be an over-the-top IG thirst trap to reliably know you are attractive as a guy in your early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 07:24 PM
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Oh sorry, that was badly worded. I mean male-to-female attractive ages increase as a function of female age until 40. So a 40 year old man will be attractive to a 40 year old woman. But I think I was wrong in assuming that it caps out at 40. Male to female attractiveness keeps going up to higher ages all the way through the age span, except that there is a significant youth bulge at higher female ages. I mean, yeah, there's not a lot to go by in this thing, but it's the canonical source. I'm sur…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 12:57 AM
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https://medium.com/@okcupid/the-case-for-an-older-woman-99d8cabacdf5 I think that's the canonical source across the *pills. There is some other actual science, but nothing systematic, because they are about different things and have different backgrounds and definitions and etc. and somebody would need to write a huge theoretical interface between them to make them useful. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21675545/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34455180/ https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 08:26 PM
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Yeah, actually I just read up on the process of how John Legend was chosen (https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/14/entertainment/how-people-sexiest-man-alive-is-chosen/index.html). It looks like it's more complicated than just Jane Appleseed at her desk making this up, but they do have a definition of "sexy" that doesn't have a lot to do with everyday sensibilities. edit: To be sure, if I was a guy and had to chose between looking like Legend or, idunno, Macron, at 40, I'd pick Legend 10 times out o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 07:48 PM
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https://medium.com/@okcupid/the-case-for-an-older-woman-99d8cabacdf5 This is the classical source. Of course, there's a ton of things we can debate about this, both within how OKC works, as well as in terms of confounding factors that influence who is getting messaged in the first place (e.g. a 45-year-old woman might not even expect to get responses from a 26-year-old and thus doesn't message him, etc.) But so far, this is the canonical source I've seen used across all the pharmacy (red/blue/pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 07:33 PM
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Well, the science is all over the place on this. It's hard to find out anything definite. Some studies say this, others say that. There's there physical attractiveness vs overall attractiveness, and so on...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 06:37 PM
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Yeah, I'm not arguing with you. Just saying that a lot goes into that marriage stat that doesn't have a lot to do with the preferences of people aged 18-30. People marrying later, people re-marrying after a divorce and so on. Those 10 year gap marriages are probably going to be almost exclusively happening to people 30+.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 02:22 PM
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They are just teenagers. All this RP stuff really has the potential of ruining lives. No teenage girl is going to get stuck on OP's eye crinkles like plankton on a whale's baleen when he's 30+, and the orthography tells me he's also not bound to become a tech billionaire. I really hope he'll get his life together in the next 10 years and settles down with a decent woman his age, instead of chasing schoolgirl skirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 11:32 AM
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But these guys are not looking for "brides". They're looking for Bangmaids. And you can hire them for comparatively little money. I think they're overpriced for what you get tbh. I don't think that's necessarily true for many men who do the MOB stuff. From what I see, many of them are older guys, 60s, widowed, divorced. They are looking to start a second family and just have someone help with the chores. But I do think it might be true for some of the rich and famous people who marry much younge…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 11:28 AM
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Because you are still young. As your age goes up, your sexuality will mature until you think 28-year-olds will be young and cute and pretty. I'm 30+ and I can't really tell the difference in attractiveness between 20 and many 40 year olds anymore. Sometimes I'm shocked at the age difference when I see a 20-year-old and a 40-year-old next to each other. But seeing many 40 year olds on their own, they do not look old to me at all. You will soon mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 11:14 AM
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He's probably just a teenager. I used to be quite sympathetic to redpill, I'm all for free speech and exchange of opinion and yada yada, but now I think I see the problem with it. When you seed stuff like this on teenage brains where all lights might not be on upstairs, then it might not correct itself and this guy will go through his 20s expecting to be this hot "mature guy" on whose deep crow's feet hot young college girls will get stuck like plankton on a whale's baleen. And boy is he in for …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 11:08 AM
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I agree to an extent. Even 25/35 is pretty lenient. Most women I knew at 25 would probably not have started anything past 30, and just stuck together with older guys who turned 30 within already established relationships. But I also experience that the age limit tends to go up with age quite a fair bit. You don't often see 20 year olds dating 30 year olds. 35/45 is more common. I also think you, at 25, don't understand the whole life history of your relationship preferences yet. I think it's qui…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 10:53 AM
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It took me awhile to figure this out, but I think the point is "Why should only I be bad at sex in this monogamous relationship!? NO!!! We should BOTH be bad at it, so we can fail in bed TOGETHER!" He thinks that's fair. He thinks it's unfair treatment by the wife that she had more sex. She went around during men's 20s, and stole all their sex. And now marry her!? No way! Not until she relinquishes all that delicious 20s sex she's hogging! Your last paragraph however, is a point of contention th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 10:42 AM
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Look, the thing is... you are probably 19 or something. You'll grow out of it. Who cares whether you think of 28-year-old women as old NOW. We'll talk again in 10 years. You won't be able to resist your own maturation process and changing brain. Suddenly, it will feel good to you to look at 28-year-old girls. Yes, girls. You will start seeing them as girls suddenly. You'll remember how immature and stupid you were back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 10:36 AM
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That's not really representative. Sure, you could compensate. As an average earner in a Western country, you could probably get an 18 year old thai or filippina MOB at age 40. That's theoretically possible. But for 99% of men, marrying 22 years younger within their own society? Good luck with that. This statistic doesn't really say a lot. Let alone that there are probably other things that affect why and who these men want to marry in the first place that are probably vastly different from those…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 10:30 AM
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How many kids do you want? If you want 4-6, I agree it's getting dicey. But if you are planning on 1-3 kids, you have an entire decade for that. The Obamas had their kids at 39/41. I always tell people around your age (I'm about your age) not to do anything stupid. You might not be able to date much lower. You might break something off and then end up sad and lonely. Many women significantly younger than 30 would maybe find you a gross old man. Maybe not at 31. Maybe not at 32. But it's getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 10:21 AM
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I'm not a guy, but I think some answers are pretty obvious. A few people have chimed in already on the situation where marriage simply follows out of a LTR that started earlier, so I'll skip speaking on that. I also don't really see how your title question has a lot to do with whether men should be upset about not being able to have a lot of premarital sex, and with whether it's important that a wife treats a husband fairly, or those two questions with each other, so I'll answer each separately.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 10:12 AM
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Thanks. Yes, I definitely agree that the maximum and minimum ages that people give are not necessarily indicative of who they'd end up with. I'd even say that age limits can develop a force of their own; you think you'd never date someone older than 35 or 40, so that when you meet someone that age and are genuinely attracted, your own limit makes you not date them, even when that limit originally arose as a guesswork about when people stop being attractive. It's an interesting psychological mech…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 09:31 AM
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That's interesting. If you are 1989, you aren't old. I don't think it's that surprising at your age. I think Michael B Jordan in Black Panther would have been able to attract quite a few teen girls, and he was around your age. Would you say this happens just to you, while other guys your age do not get attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 09:04 AM
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Probably you are right. But if I try to imagine, say, Hugh Grant, pulling the same on teenage girls (and he was a pretty good looking guy), then I think 17/20 cases, he'd just be met with horrified disgust. Out of the remaining three, two would agree because they'd feel obliged to sleep with a famous movie star. The last one might agree out of genuine attraction. At least that's what it seems like to me. Older guys with enough of an age gap seem like a much harder sell to young women than the ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 08:40 AM
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Yeah, I think that's what I try to find a compromise with. Like I said in my post, there were some 30-40 year old men that I found attractive when I was in my late teens, but I think there's a difference in kind and in degree. In kind because I think there's a difference in finding someone attractive, and actually being attracted. I can tell with some fidelity that Paul Rudd is *something*. He's SMA, but I'm not sure "S" is what I'd label it. He's attractive, but I don't feel attracted, if you g…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/22 12:34 AM
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Oh yes, it's definitely not a universal. I know people who hook up from the 20s all the way into the 40s. It definitely happens. Just look at Bobby Lee and, uh, I forget his gf's name, shame on me. And he is sort of gross even. I mean, I admitted to finding men in their late 30s hot when I was a teenager. Now, would I have actively dated them? Probably not. But I was a late bloomer. If you throw that attraction together with a more risque/open personality, who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 11:26 PM
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That's interesting. I have a bit of a background in plastic/reconstructive and I'm usually very pessimistic about its potential to make people look younger. But that's a whole nother debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 11:22 PM
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Oh, I didn't even mention Brad Pitt. I should have. Yes, I've no doubt that no sane 25 year old would think him hot in World War Z or Inglorious Basterds, despite constant media assertions that he is. I think you are on the right track here. We're drifting through life in a bubble that we get into in our teens, and it'll probably age around us until the end. Probably for my cohort, the "hot young actors" were Channing Tatum and Ashton Kutcher. The bubble that left slightly before that was that o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 11:16 PM
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I think that's true to an extent. But I do think that there is a very basic physical revulsion most 20-year-old girls would have towards someone 30+. Not that this can't be overcome by cultural factors/financial interests/... when the stars are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 10:52 PM
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Yes, my age is probably telling. I couldn't tell you who's attractive these days. It seems only yesterday that Michael B Jordan was the hot new thing on Creed, and he's almost middle aged now. I agree that these are pretty much all people who've been, for all my life, communicated as "hot" by the media that *I*, being older, consume. I couldn't tell you about hot tiktokers. I have a few gay friends who send me sexy blond young instagram boys, but that's about all the connection I have to who's s…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 10:38 PM
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You are probably right. I'm following their daily cosmetic routines pretty closely and they are intense. I wouldn't say Diaz has an extreme routine, but it is as serious as it gets (LED mask and so on); she's also a no-sugar vegan. Tan on the other hand says he took Botox once and just washes his face with water, but he works out a lot, but how accurate those statements are... who knows. Thanks for chiming in.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 10:33 PM
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I tried. But there's too much in there for me to even get an idea what I wanted to say. I guess: "Do you think people who are considered very attractive can manage to break the Creepy Older Guy/Creepy Old Woman barrier? If so, do you think it's because they are just very attractive? Or does it only work when they look younger? Or is there a way to look younger without actually looking young?* And what about ethnicities whose ages tend to be underestimated? Can they manage to break the barrier mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 10:28 PM
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I also don't think George Clooney is attractive, and never did so. Maybe at close to 30 years above my age, he was just always aging outside my range. Or maybe he just isn't my type. But, well, there are a lot of years between 30 and 59 (or what Clooney is now); I don't think it's unexpected someone in their 20s (even at almost 30) wouldn't be attracted to him. But I can completely imagine that people 10, 20 years older than me are fawning over him. I do occasionally see 20somethings saying pret…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 10:21 PM
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> Preferred age =/= age they consider most carnally attractive That's a good point. There's obviously more at play in relationships than just physical attraction. > Cognitively diseased females with father issues and/or abused as kids and occasionally women insecure about becoming older [...] That's interesting. But would you say that's true even of "older" women? Would you say a woman who's 35, 38, 40, still needs to have mental issues in order to find them attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 09:44 PM
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Thanks for chiming in. I think you are right. I do think, from a female perspective, for SOME female demographics, men actually take a dip in their 30s and come back later on. I could totally imagine quite a few teenage girls having a soft spot in their heart for, say, Paul Rudd exactly because he's old enough to be the non-threatening kind of "older guy". I personally don't put a lot of stock into plastic surgery actually making people look younger, but I agree many celebrities probably look be…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 09:38 PM
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