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I agree.
/r/MGTOW04/10/20 08:09 PM
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Even his own family betrays him, feels bad. Oops, I'm so depressed my pussy fell on someone's dick by accident, over and over again.
/r/MGTOW04/10/20 06:05 AM
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This, and she went alone to this club? Unlikely, she brought a whore friend with her who also got fucked.
/r/MGTOW21/04/19 02:48 PM
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Yeah I heard stories of companies like Goldman Sachs buying weapons and shit to defend themselves in case of some sort of widespread uprising. They took the threat very seriously.
/r/MGTOW21/04/19 02:46 PM
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/r/purplepilldebate will give you answers, but they probably won't be satisfactory.
/r/MGTOW20/04/19 05:32 PM
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Yep these people are disgusting.
/r/MGTOW20/04/19 05:29 PM
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A woman is in charge of walking dead now.
/r/MGTOW20/04/19 01:42 AM
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Because they can get laid easily, and therefore through projection they believe that means they can also snag one for a relationship as well.
/r/MGTOW19/04/19 03:45 PM
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True, but that's not how you maintain a civilization, which is an artificial/social construct of great complexity. To whatever extent people value civilization in the long run, they should equally value some sort of restraint on female sexuality being fully expressed, because such an expression evolved in a prehistoric era of misery and despair. This is precisely why monogamy was invented by the ruling classes around the world. It makes everyone a stakeholder in maintaining something that has a …
/r/MGTOW19/04/19 03:33 PM
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Disposition is largely an inherited trait. There's only so many of them out there. Then you eliminate the ones who aren't cute or don't like sex, then you eliminate the ones who are married or in LTRs, and you're left with a relatively small number of potential women, all of which have a voracious appetite for higher value men than themselves.
/r/MGTOW19/04/19 03:28 PM
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Quite right.
/r/MGTOW19/04/19 03:22 PM
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They're trying to normalize cucks.
/r/MGTOW19/04/19 01:00 PM
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I imagine bias can lead to lazy reporting as well.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 10:57 PM
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Ah maybe it was a fake account.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 10:44 PM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/science/katie-bouman-black-hole.html Truth hurts doesn't it?
/r/MensRights12/04/19 10:17 PM
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Which may have been the intent all along. I do not trust these people.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 09:36 PM
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Excellent I'm pleased we agree.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 09:35 PM
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I'm not changing the goal posts, I'm telling you my current opinion based on available evidence. If you agree media bias lead to her being inflated in this case, then we agree. She did not write the algorithm, which has been falsely spread all over the news.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 09:28 PM
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I agree, but the media will never admit their own bias lead to this "accident." This is as good as we can hope for.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 09:26 PM
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I agree, but her initial tweet was confusing when she used the pronoun "I" after the image was taken.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 09:24 PM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/science/katie-bouman-black-hole.html
/r/MensRights12/04/19 08:55 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/bcicac/astronomer_astrophysicist_sara_issaoun_sets_the/ Bouman's algorithm was not even used to create the image. That's from a relevant party.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 08:40 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/bcicac/astronomer_astrophysicist_sara_issaoun_sets_the/ Bouman's algorithm was not even used to create the image. That's from a relevant party.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 08:39 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/bcicac/astronomer_astrophysicist_sara_issaoun_sets_the/ Bouman's algorithm was not even used to create the image. That's from a relevant party.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 08:39 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/bcicac/astronomer_astrophysicist_sara_issaoun_sets_the/ Bouman's algorithm was not even used to create the image. That's from a relevant party.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 08:39 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/bcicac/astronomer_astrophysicist_sara_issaoun_sets_the/ Bouman's algorithm was not even used to create the image. That's from a relevant party,
/r/MensRights12/04/19 08:38 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/bcicac/astronomer_astrophysicist_sara_issaoun_sets_the/ Bouman's algorithm was not even used to create the image. That's from a relevant party.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 08:38 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/bcicac/astronomer_astrophysicist_sara_issaoun_sets_the/ Bouman's algorithm was not even used to create the image.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 08:36 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/bcicac/astronomer_astrophysicist_sara_issaoun_sets_the/ Bouman's algorithm was not even used to create the image.
/r/MensRights12/04/19 08:36 PM
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The media has been spreading this fake news everywhere. Katie is a wonderful person from what I can tell, but the media is ignoring all the other women and men on this project to fit a dishonest and simplistic narrative of promoting women in science. There were three algorithms used and combined to form the final image, and a team of 40 scientists part of that aspect of the project (including myself and more women).
/r/MensRights12/04/19 08:19 PM
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DIAF
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 04:41 PM
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The team should have been given credit together, not just one person, that's the injustice here.
/r/MensRights11/04/19 06:47 PM
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Yes she's a wonderful person. I'm not hating on her one bit.
/r/MensRights11/04/19 06:40 PM
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Good point, she looks like a nice person, I'm sure she's apologizing to everyone on the team for this shit.
/r/MensRights11/04/19 04:43 PM
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Did your masters degree include learning about anecdotal evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:22 AM
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It turns out sitting in a chair all day is really bad for your health, so maybe they're not all so smart. Furthermore, women do not have excessively high IQs in comparison to men. Yes, there are more morons at the bottom among men, but among the cognitive elite of society, it's mostly men. And that's just a statistical fact, women's bell curve distribution is stacked higher at the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:06 AM
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No, but that is not a basis to demand higher earnings. The Government cannot be used as a weapon to correct every disparity in this world.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 04:17 PM
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Society is not responsible for the choices you make in life, therefore the evil patriarchy is not oppressing you. Choices have consequences. Deal with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 01:42 PM
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Harvard Study: "Gender Wage Gap" Explained Entirely by Work Choices of Men and Women The “gender wage gap” is as real as unicorns and has been killed more times than Michael Myers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 01:37 PM
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Harvard Study: "Gender Wage Gap" Explained Entirely by Work Choices of Men and Women The “gender wage gap” is as real as unicorns and has been killed more times than Michael Myers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 01:26 PM
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Obviously I am saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 01:23 PM
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Men do not give a damn about your education.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 01:22 PM
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There's some of that no doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 01:21 PM
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In a college environment... I'm specifically talking about men without a degree versus women with one. The wage gap is explained almost entirely by people's choices in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 01:19 PM
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Women think because they have some bullshit sociology or psychology degree that they're too good to fuck someone who works a blue collar job. And because colleges are about 60% women now that leaves a ton of fucking guys simply out in the cold. I assure you though, they are not too good. This is a classic dunning kruger effect in action. In fact, I would go as far as to hypothesize that women suffer from dunning kruger to a greater extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 04:55 AM
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Their standards are natural for the environment they're in.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 12:28 PM
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Some are content, some aren't. It's a mixed bag.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 07:36 PM
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I don't think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 07:35 PM
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Classic projection to avoid having to deal with the cognitive dissonance. Sympathy for weak men is not something women can easily embrace for evolutionary reasons. The disposability of man is built into our DNA.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 06:52 PM
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As I said to someone else to mentioned impulsivity, it stems from men's inherent disposability.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 06:50 PM
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Not just that they won't help, but people in general despise a weak man, whether they admit it or not. The simple reality is that men cannot afford to be weak, and if you are you're disposable anyway. Sperm is cheap in the grand scheme of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 06:49 PM
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Not brutal enough to settle for a lesser man in many cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 06:48 PM
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Impulsivity stems from male disposability. Disposability is the cause, impulsivity is the observable effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 06:47 PM
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Men's impulsivity is a direct consequence of their inherently greater disposability.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 06:46 PM
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I disagree slightly, I think the primary reason men kill themselves more is because objectively they are more disposable. And a more disposable person without a purpose better create their own or they're fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 06:43 PM
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Guys generally do no give a shit how much money you make.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 06:39 PM
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If you think that was funny you're a fucking moron.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 12:51 AM
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People who believed in marx created the frankfurt school which lead to modern day socialist intelligentsia.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 12:50 AM
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That's a complex question, but if your history teacher isn't teaching you about Aristotle and Plato and stuff like that, you're not a western nation. Native culture pervades most of Latin America. It is surely a mix of West and something else, but it's by no means Western in identity like Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. If you ask most Mexicans if they consider their nation to be Western I think they would say no. The bottom line is though, if they were really a western culture, they wouldn't be…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 12:45 AM
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No, they're not heavily mixed. Last time I looked Mexican-Americans were 70% native american based on dna analysis. Their catholicism doesn't make them a western nation. Do you think they're learning about Plato and Aristotle in Mexican high schools? I guarantee you they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 12:18 AM
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I'm not saying it originated with Marx, it's a cultural offshoot of him though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 09:01 PM
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Cultural Marxism is a branch of Marxist ideology formulated by the Frankfurt School, which had its origins the early part of the twentieth century. Cultural Marxism comprises much of the foundation of political correctness. It emerged as a response of European Marxist intellectuals disillusioned by the early political failures of conventional economic Marxist ideology. The central idea of Cultural Marxism is to soften up and prepare Western Civilization for economic Marxism after a gradual, rele…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 07:43 PM
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The only solution is to ban the birth control pill, bar women from college unless they have 2+ children and are married, and assorted other punitive measures to restore balance to the sexual marketplace. Feminism and freedom sound like wonderful concepts, but the unintended consequences are going to simply destroy society in the long run. People were not meant to be this free. We are all slaves to our biology at a most basic level. Deny that reality and you deny existence itself. This will reach…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 12:53 PM
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I was not aware birth control had an effect on T levels in women, very interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 12:29 PM
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In terms of healthcare and technology, not in terms of paying the rent and expenses necessary to support a family of 4-5 people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 12:26 PM
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There's not much more men fear than women laughing at them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:51 AM
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Also known as cultural marxism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:25 AM
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Most Hispanics are descendants of native americans living in mexico and elsewhere in the south american continent. They inherited the language, that's about it. They're incapable of effectively replacing the Western population of the US. They do not carry the culture to do so. Mexico is not a Western nation. Replace the US with Mexicans and you simply get a bigger version of Mexico, with all of the corruption, crime, and lower standard of living associated with a shithole country.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:22 AM
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No and no.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 06:28 AM
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You're not worth my effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 06:27 AM
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Western culture will simply be replaced by cultures that are still patriarchal and therefore sustainable in terms of demographics. In Europe they're being replaced by Muslims. In the US we're being replaced by Hispanics. 100 years from now the world may be a shit hole without Western culture, but nature will find a balance. The intelligentsia within Western culture decided we don't deserve to survive a long time ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 05:13 AM
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smarter Actually there's some fairly reliable evidence that men at the top end are smarter, but there's also more idiots at the lower end of the bell curve distribution. Women gravitate more towards the median in terms of intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 05:06 AM
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That is correct. But everyone is coerced to some extent when they settle for someone less than their perfect ideal of who they thought/wished they would marry. Not everyone can marry a millionaire for example, so you settle. Not everyone looks like a model, so you settle. In effect, they're coerced by practical problems in the real world. We're all coerced to work because we need money. Women used to be coerced to settle for a reliable husband at a young age before birth control, so they never h…
/r/MensRights25/06/18 09:33 PM
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It's amazing how little it costs to live when you reduce the labor pool by 50%. That's why people in previous generations could afford to have like 10 kids. Today if you're not married with two incomes it's a hardship on families. The issue is women often have a weaker sex drive compared to men, so that's one reason men rape women. I oppose all forms of violence against women, but people should not be surprised if this trend increases rape in general. It's a horrible thing that scars people for …
/r/MensRights25/06/18 08:56 PM
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It's not just a matter of practically not having a mate to reproduce, it's the loneliness associated with being forever-alone. Surrogates also cost like $100,000. And then you have the raise the kid alone, which is difficult and expensive by yourself. This trend male of worthlessness and hopelessness is going to breed a lot of resentment towards women in the long run, including violence sometimes imo. They came out with a student recently that said young people are the loneliest they've ever bee…
/r/MensRights25/06/18 08:04 PM
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No I don't agree, and nobody gets drafted anymore. MGTOWs say a lot of ridiculous shit no one listens to. Men have always been the more disposable gender since time began. But that doesn't mean society should toss 25% of men in a dumpster.
/r/MensRights25/06/18 07:01 PM
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Feminist logic or femsplaining.
/r/MensRights25/06/18 06:25 PM
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False, feminism made women more hypergamous, thus raising the bar a man must cross to be considered for marriage. They're also more materialistic today too. Since most college educated women want to marry a college-educated man, by simple mathematics, one-third of the college-educated women will not find a mate (unless they're divorced). Plus as women's incomes go up their demands on male income go up as well to match/exceed her own (ideally exceed of course). For this reason hyper-feminist soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 11:44 AM
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25% of the male population is functionally obsolete by any objective analysis. So many do yes, and the number of the obsolete just keeps growing and growing, and nobody gives a fuck. This is going to reach a breaking point, and I don't think anyone appreciates that fact or can even make an educated guess what the consequences will be. Society is collapsing because the birth rate is well below replacement level. That's just simple math.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/18 12:40 AM
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I blame a very liberal society in full scale collapse mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 11:04 PM
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PRE-HISTORIC times (that's what you fucking people are taking us back to)... since civilization happened and we got things like religion to enforce social consequences on people who have sex before marriage, most men reproduced. It was part of the social compact to extract maximum male productivity and support building civilizations. Most of the 25% of men in Norway are involuntarily childless, that's what the female researcher found when she studied the issue. Many women recycle men who are alr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 09:37 PM
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Average is skewed by the frequency of people doing it early. Median is always a better calculation. Regardless, the issue is not involuntarily celibacy. Just because you had sex a few times in your lifetime doesn't mean your sex and relationship life is healthy and normal. 25% of men in norway never reproduce, which has doubled in like the past 20 years or so. This is an ongoing issue due to women's rapidly rising standards. Soon the worthless men will be like 33% of the population. It's not jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 09:25 PM
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What's stopping them is too much freedom and not enough consequences for slutty behavior, social and financial risk/cost. I realized this very early in college that the sexual marketplace was turned upside down compared to what my grandfather had available to him while in law school. Therefore I decided to go MGTOW many years ago, financially and in terms of dating. After I got my degree I started my own business, but I work a bare minimum required to pay my bills and nothing more. This is my ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 09:14 PM
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There were some, but not a high percentage. Even if some people are not 100% happy, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Monogamy today simply serves as a financial straight jacket for men to lock down their providing capacity. Monogamy used to be a fair deal prior to 1960, now it's a joke. I want young men to have the opportunities that are denied them by a very unfair and illogical sexual marketplace. It's in violation of our nature and thousands of years of civilization that is pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 09:04 PM
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That's not how society functioned prior to 1960. People were just ignorant of what they were missing out on. They loved their partners because they weren't cognizant of what they were missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 08:56 PM
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It sounds stable to me, the modern era is unstable. And yes, it sounds fairly appealing as well. People don't know what they're missing if they never have the opportunity to have anything else. Ignorance is bliss. Reliable birth control is bad for obvious reasons. Women were biologically meant to be dependent on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 08:53 PM
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Most women reproduce, so it's irrelevant. It makes being a whore a much riskier proposition for slutty behavior. That means you need a more reliable beta to mate with under a truly free market for sex, which existed for thousands of years, and was turned upside down by the modern welfare state and reliable birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 08:45 PM
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Most black and brown women do just that. The out of wedlock birthrate of black women is like 70%. And that number is rising for white women as well. It's up to about 30% if I remember correctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 08:40 PM
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I didn't say "we're going to get rid of it." I said we do not have a free market until these things are taken away. Birth control is not a 100% risk free pass to have unlimited unprotected sex. So this is the backup plan for all that. I propose ending the welfare state entirely to create a free market for sex. I also propose financial abortion if a woman decides to have a child against the father's will.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 08:35 PM
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No, we don't have a free market when you have things like welfare for single moms and forced child support for unwilling fathers. The court system also slants the market a great deal in women's favor during divorce. There used to be actual consequences for pregnancy outside of marriage, no longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/18 08:22 PM
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That's not a surprise to anyone.
/r/TheRedPill14/06/18 07:55 PM
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Sounds like it's time to dial back the clock on some of this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/18 10:02 PM
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Citation required.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/18 06:40 PM
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Women already have too much influence over politics as it is. Your idea is fine if women have no rights to control society and fuck it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 06:34 PM
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Auto-rejection is a possibility for sure, but only if your expectations are falling way short of your actual potential. He may be onto something, yes. Very interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 04:37 PM
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How is that relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 04:31 PM
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Yes, but for some reason the US labor participation rate for males is the lowest in the OECD, lower than Europe or Japan.
/r/MensRights09/06/18 04:29 PM
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If that is the only issue to you, control of those you lack empathy for, don't be surprised when stuff like that actually happens more frequently. And nobody is going to let you ban guns either, we have a 2nd amendment in the constitution, so they're here to stay. Society originally created monogamy to spread the love to all people in order to create a stable society. That achievement is now being rolled back slowly but surely, and there will be adverse consequences unfortunately. No one owes wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 04:28 PM
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My point is there is data to support the idea that a slice of men never recovered. That's also why men in the US have the lowest labor participation rate in the OECD. These are people that are not counted as unemployed, even though they are in their prime working years, 25-54.
/r/MGTOW09/06/18 04:25 PM
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FALSE. Great news for the dating app averse: Despite what the Tinder-loving media might have you believe, new data suggest that the most common way to meet someone is in real life — namely, through friends. https://mic.com/articles/112062/the-way-most-people-meet-their-significant-others-is-not-what-you-think#.ECtWsTrSt
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 04:22 PM
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I disagree, it's not that complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 04:21 PM
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Jizzabell, that is her and your natural condition. Women are subpar too. They're not all princesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 04:20 PM
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Thank you for a very substantive comment, I agree with most of that. But most of what you're talking about are economic issues in general. The social issue of men's expectations is of course relevant and powerful, but also a socioeconomic issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 08:21 AM
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No religion, that's the cause. Religion created order in Western societies for thousands of years. Yeah it wasn't all smooth sailing, but it got the job done. We've benefited as a society tremendously from the enlightenment era, but it had a serious social cost associated with the rise of science pushing religion aside almost completely. Even people who claim to be religious aren't all that religious when you examine their lives and how hypocritical they are. So you are correct nihilism is just …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 08:14 AM
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Yes, but these idiots think facebook is a more compelling explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 08:05 AM
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IQ low.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/18 07:50 AM
17

Men in the United States are under siege like never before, but somehow, all we hear about is #metoo and gender pay gaps.
/r/MensRights08/06/18 11:28 PM
1

The U.S.’s labor participation rate for this group of men is lower than every country in the OECD except for Israel (an outlier, because of the high number of non-working Orthodox Jewish men) and Italy (an economic omnishambles). Today, one in six prime-age men in America are either unemployed or out of the workforce altogether—about 10 million men. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/06/the-missing-men/488858/
/r/MensRights08/06/18 11:25 PM
7

Obesity has not gotten much worse in the last 8 years, and women get fat too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 11:24 PM
1

Bank profits do not translate into wealth for individuals or more jobs. In fact they're closing branches around me. Study: 3 in 10 Americans Haven't Recovered From Great Recession Keep in mind that 30% is disproportionately men, even some educated men. And 42 percent said they think the broader economy has not "fully recovered financially since the 2007/2008 financial crisis." My parents lived through all the previous crashes, this one was by far the worst of the worst. Yet, 10 years after the e…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 11:18 PM
1

I'm not convinced any other argument is worthwhile. There is no other social effect strong enough to alter the SMP to the degree it has in 8 years. Social media shouldn't be fundamentally disadvantaging people to that degree. Porn is also a weak explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 10:50 PM
1

Curious so many people seem to deny that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 10:45 PM
5

Not for women no.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 10:31 PM
1

Non-white people aren't reproducing more because they're superior, it's because white people subsidize their reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:48 PM
2

You shouldn't need a source to see the obvious. I knew it long before I ever read about the studies that prove it to be so. It's amazing how oblivious people are to reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:46 PM
-1

It's not only finance, but that's a huge industry that employed a large percentage of young men in 2008, especially educated young white men. Please provide sociological evidence suggesting social media is inherently exclusionary. There's already ample sociological evidence supporting the notion that men's incomes translate into booty.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:42 PM
1

Because local devastation can be solved simply by moving away to another city or state. Poor people are always poor, but middle and upper class people who find themselves in a tough spot are not fucking. You know, like white people...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:40 PM
-1

But there is no direct evidence it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:39 PM
1

Whatever man... I don't care what you have to say, ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:38 PM
1

Actually I recall you reading/commenting on it, so that's false too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:37 PM
-1

That's what this sub is for, debate yes? I am debating you. And your argument is really speculative and weak compared to mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:36 PM
0

If you read it you should be aware of the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:35 PM
1

It was the slowest economic recovery since the great depression. Educated men were adversely affected more than women because men dominated the Finance and Banking industries. So it's not just men without skills or education. Regardless, the data is clear, men were harmed more by the financial crisis, and women care about men's income 1000 times more than the reverse. 10 years ago this affected me personally, so I think I know what happened in 2008. They are dependent on family because of the cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:33 PM
2

They're not equally possible. The sociological data found elsewhere is clear on this issue. I have even posted some of it here before.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:29 PM
-2

And it's very strange to me that you ignored everything I just said. As Bill Clinton used to say, "it's the economy, stupid."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:26 PM
2

It was not a normal recession, so your point is irrelevant. The oil crash in the 80's only was locally devastating to a small part of the country. Some people just had to move away. 2008 was the worst crisis since the great depression. It's severity was only diminished by extraordinary monetary and fiscal stimulus.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:22 PM
0

It doesn't require mind reading to look at the chart and immediately know what caused the primary effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:21 PM
5

Since women value a man's income 1000 times more than a man values a woman's income, her difficulty is irrelevant. Furthermore, male unemployment spiked higher than female unemployment during the recession. So your argument is not only irrelevant, but it's mostly false. Banking and Finance were dominated by men, and they got dicked the hardest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:19 PM
3

8 years is a short time, I seriously doubt that has changed that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:18 PM
0

I wanted to see if anyone was smart enough to see the obvious. I was sadly disappointed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:17 PM
1

It's not an organism, it's just a basic sociological concept with validity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:11 PM
5

Because what you said was absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:08 PM
2

Nature weeds out the nimrods, it's part of the process.
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 08:07 PM
4

Yes because the crisis didn't actually start until late 2008.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:06 PM
2

It wasn't that high in 2008, so relative to that time period it is high, and obesity hasn't changed that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:06 PM
-1

Wrong, since nobody is going to get it on their own, I'll just tell you. It was the financial crisis of 2008, it did long term damage to young men coming of age.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:03 PM
1

It's for 22-35 year olds. Which means 8 years ago these men were 14-27 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:02 PM
11

Great discussion, but this is not /r/philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 08:01 PM
0

Finally someone intelligent... the first part is the main issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:59 PM
6

Prove you exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:59 PM
1

It's also perfect for the financial crisis of 2008.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:58 PM
1

It was the financial crisis of 2008 and it's aftereffects, especially on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:58 PM
3

Financial crisis of 2008 had long term effects, especially on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:58 PM
2

Wrong, it was the financial crisis of 2008.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:57 PM
-2

Nope, it was just the financial crisis of 2008, and the long term effects on men in particular and therefore their attractiveness as mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:57 PM
6

Financial bubble of 2008 reached it's zenith. The financial crisis harmed men's long term capacity to generate income and therefore to produce SMV. In other words, men's long term SMV curve was altered by the crisis and the aftereffects.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:56 PM
4

That's not the reason for no fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:54 PM
2

I wanted to see if anyone had the intelligence to figure it out. No, not Obama.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:54 PM
1

Good discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:52 PM
2

No, the same effect is happening elsewhere in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:51 PM
4

Citation required.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:50 PM
-2

Liberals do not value individualism, just conservatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:50 PM
-1

It ain't social media man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:49 PM
0

Well I don't believe Facebook caused this effect, the data I've seen elsewhere clearly shows that it's due to women's rising expectations and economics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:48 PM
-1

Porn has existed for many decades, you can't say 2008 was the beginning of the effect of porn being expressed in sexual outcomes. I do not see how immigration would vastly skew the information in the past 8 years. Porn is not a good explanation for this imo. Also, the evidence I've seen elsewhere points to the fact that most of this phenomena is involuntary and associated with women's rising expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:46 PM
4

Social media existed in 2008.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:42 PM
2

I read it, I was responding to both points you made. Online dating didn't result in a vastly more hyper-competitive dating market. And 8 years is too short to produce generational changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:41 PM
6

8 years ago women were just as liberated as they are now. Nothing really changed in regards to women being free to fuck who they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:39 PM
1

I really doubt it was online dating that caused this disparity. An 8 year window is not large enough to even create inter-generational differences in masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:37 PM
4

The question is, what changed from 2008 to 2016 to create such a disparity where before there was none? Perhaps if you were hating on men a bit less you could contribute to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:36 PM
24

They wanted to 8 years ago, what changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/18 07:26 PM
9

I'm 97% sure this is due to the financial crisis of 2008/2009 and the long term damage it did to men in particular. Men dominate fields like Finance and Banking and many of them were fired and never hired again. So they had to start over from square one selling used cars or whatever bullshit job they could find in the new economy.
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 07:07 PM
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There's no probability involved, it's a 100% fact. All of these women could have had a nice blue collar man who works as a plumber or something, but then their circle of friends/harpies would laugh at their misfortune of marrying a nobody far beneath them.
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 06:28 AM
5

Feminism was just a collective shit test if the human race should survive... we failed, badly. They solipistically thought men were happy because they made money, because money is so attractive to them. So they said hey, I want to make my own money. Bad idea, women were meant to reproduce, nothing more.
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 06:25 AM
5

True, but dependency tends to cut down on the cuntiness being expressed.
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 06:14 AM
0

4 fucking kids and single? W T F
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 06:11 AM
-1

You have a penis, so no.
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 06:07 AM
2

Yeah he wouldn't be in this mess if he gave her a hard negative signal when she started flirting with him. This chick sensed some beta in him and thought she had him on a hook. Now she's pissed basically.
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 06:06 AM
8

Response: Just another whore like you, flirting with other men while they're dating someone else, always looking for the next better thing to come along. No thanks, I'm no captain save-a-ho.
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 06:02 AM
2

Real simple, just say I'm not playing captain save a ho here. You're flirting with me when you're dating someone else, what kind of sick person are you looking for "backup men" while you're still in a relationship with someone else. Disgusting. I hate these flirty girls always looking for the next best thing while they're dating someone else.
/r/MGTOW08/06/18 05:59 AM
1

Everyone has a fair shot, but some are born intellectual superior to others, both in personality (things like conscientiousness) and intelligence or capacity/desire to learn easily. Culture is also important for nurturing people to be very successful in life, but ultimately personal responsibility dictates you are responsible for giving a fuck about getting educated and succeeding in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/18 04:25 PM
3

They don't care about qualifications, only enforcing equality by any means necessary.
/r/MensRights02/06/18 10:29 PM
18

Because they all believe everyone is equal in potential therefore there must be equal outcomes as well, otherwise tyranny exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 04:31 PM
2

Statistics dont lie, women with money marry sideways or up.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 09:30 PM
2

False. Women with money still want men with money.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 09:19 PM
1

Rules limiting speech are usually a bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 09:07 PM
1

That never accomplishes anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 09:05 PM
1

I'm not baiting, just stating facts. Race relates to gender relations too due to socioeconomic factors that persist despite efforts to reverse these gaps which always fail. Barring any discussion of race facts is hampering the discussion here, not helping you stay on topic. The fact african americans have a 70% out of wedlock birth rate is no coincidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 08:55 PM
1

/facepalm
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 05:12 PM
1

It actually is to some extent, not totally though.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 04:35 PM
1

Why don't you reproduce man? That'd be a good start for you two. You're not contributing nearly as much as you think, the next generation needs people too. They grow up to be productive as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 04:34 PM
1

We just also do better to have our own homes and private loves to withdraw to when we’re in the mood to be selfish. You saved me the trouble of pointing out the obvious. Disgusting people. So you basically lied in your OP when you said you both wanted to wait for stability in life. You're both just too selfish and hedonistic to do what a normal human being should be doing, getting married and having kids. Put the bong down and look at your selfish ass in the mirror sometime. You should be ashame…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 01:33 PM
1

False, women are 1000 times more sensitive to a man's income than the reverse. They're intense discriminators of male wealth and status, therefore they must be stripped of it to re-balance the mating equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 01:28 PM
0

You have no evidence and you waste my time, GTFO.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 01:27 PM
2

The majority of the 1% are heirs Lets get back to basics here. You have neglected to provide any evidence to support your false position. Please provide a link to actual evidence instead of a wall of bullshit text. Your 'experience' is not valid evidence of jack shit. I have read many articles about wealth, not just one.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 05:14 AM
2

I don't even know why we're arbitrarily selecting the top 1% as the benchmark of wealthy. If you're a multi-millionaire that's still a relatively big deal, and most of these people with net worth over 2-3 million are self-made. Regardless of the arbitrariness, you're still wrong: One-percenters are more likely to have made their own fortunes like Kanye West (here at OWS) than to have inherited their money. Roughly 80 percent of millionaires in America are the first generation of their family to …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 01:33 AM
1

Overall it's not nice though. They have little tiny pockets of wealth and a vast mass of poor people everywhere else. That's what we're going to become. The elites will continue to be white because they won't reproduce with the lower class people, and eventually the middle class will be brown as white people disappear. Then the shit will hit the fan.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 01:29 AM
1

You won't. Watch the movie Idiocracy to find out what happens next. I'm not saying you personally are incapable at all, just the general pattern doesn't look good though. As the white population decreases in the US the poverty rate will just go up, up, up, and eventually it will be a shithole just like other countries in South America.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/18 12:11 AM
1

If you're a white person, yeah. Considering white people invented almost everything of value in this world that's probably not a good thing in the long run for the world either. Maybe the Asians can takeover the torch for us when we're all dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 11:53 PM
3

I'm aware of how money works. You're still wrong. Most multi-millionaires are self-made. The top 1% threshhold is $8.4m according to the fed and $1.5M according to the IRS, with an annual household income of $384,000 a year. https://whorulesamerica.ucsc.edu/power/investment_manager.html
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 11:51 PM
3

Men do not care about status. Some of them don't because they're not desperate enough, but the women close to average IQ and average income will have to settle for a good beta provider eventually if they want a decent lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 10:40 PM
1

You've got a real thing about UMC. It's not an either/or scenario, there are a lot of decently hot women with an IQ of 100 in the middle. You don't need crack whores to marry ugly millionaires.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 10:30 PM
1

I don't buy the status bullshit, it's all about money man. You can be a fat disgusting slob with poor social skills, as long as you have millions, it doesn't fucking matter. You can always nail a gold digging HB8+.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 10:24 PM
3

Elites know that single mothers are dependent on the state for protection, and they want to keep it that way so they always have useful idiots to vote for their globalist policies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 09:54 PM
1

You two are doing something wrong then, it's not that hard to live a normal life within your means.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 09:53 PM
2

And always will be, women will not support inferior men with their resources (for the most part).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 09:52 PM
1

Marriage works when women are dependent on blue collar men's income for survival. If you put money in women's hands they will tear society apart with hypergamy until it collapses and everything resets.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 09:51 PM
0

25% of men in Norway never reproduce, highest level of male uselessness in the developed world. I made a big post on this issue earlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 09:50 PM
4

This is false. Most millionaires are self-made, not inheritors.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 09:49 PM
1

It's also going to lead to the collapse of the worldwide white population (except for the elites who won't mix with lower class elements of society). Then they'll eventually be attacked by the mass of people when automation puts them out of a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 09:48 PM
1

Most well-educated attractive women I know are dating blue collar guys, guys with lower income and education who are hot. This cannot be true to a large extent, since women value a man's income 1000 times as much as men value women's income. They cannot mate with these men, only use them as fuck buddies. Hypergamy will not permit this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 09:46 PM
0

Given the out-of-wedlock birthrate for African Americans is like 70%, I would say yes. And it's increasingly not just black people being affected by this change, it's also whites without a college degree as well. More women have college degrees than men, so mathematically some women will be left out in the cold with no mate of equal status. Sucks for them, but they asked for this garbage feminist system in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/18 09:44 PM
0

Feminism, atheism, and socialism is the root of the decay, yes. It's absolutely insane that the colleges in Norway are close to 60% female students. All these fucking women want a college educated husband someday due to hypergamy, so it's a gigantic shitstorm of unprecedented proportions.
/r/TheRedPill29/05/18 07:15 AM
1

It shrinks the economy and reduces our capacity to fund the retirement of the elderly, even if they work till 70. There is also a great deal of business demand for immigration with a falling population, because they need new sources of customers. Old people don't buy much shit in retirement. It's a downward spiral.
/r/TheRedPill27/05/18 01:50 AM
2

Even a slightly smaller SD has an outsized effect at the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th standard deviation. There's also evidence men have a 2-5 IQ advantage at the median once they fully mature (women mature faster, physically and mentally). I have heard it said elsewhere that the gender imbalance at 160+ IQ (4th standard deviation) is like 6:1. A 2005 study by Ian Deary, Paul Irwing, Geoff Der, and Timothy Bates, focusing on the ASVAB showed a significantly higher variance in male scores, resulting in more…
/r/MensRights26/05/18 02:32 PM
3

Terrible.
/r/MGTOW26/05/18 02:32 AM
1

That's messed up man, how did you end up with this bitch in the first place? Were there no warning signs prior to marriage?
/r/MGTOW26/05/18 02:31 AM
11

Indeed it does my friend, emotionally, intellectually, and physically stronger in almost every way conceivable.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 07:37 PM
1

I'm still watching, but there's no reason for nature to invest heavy resources in female mental development, their only objective purpose is to reproduce and raise kids (thus maturing faster), not a very cognitively demanding requirement.
/r/MensRights25/05/18 07:20 PM
1

Rich countries also have higher taxes, so it's difficult to sustain a high class living standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 07:13 PM
4

it doesn't matter too much to me or anyone I know This is basically saying your anecdotal data is stronger than actual empirically derived evidence that suggests it's not even close to being true. Women value men's money 1000 times more than the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 07:12 PM
2

It's not outdated at all, the latest scientific evidence proves women value a man's income 1000 times more than a man value's a woman's income. So yeah, 100K is a big deal (as long as you don't live in a garbage dump like Los Angeles or New York).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/18 07:10 PM
1

Fair point, by 24 it might get as high as 3-4 perhaps.
/r/MensRights25/05/18 07:05 PM
1

Yes. https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/8l0pek/are_men_and_women_really_biologically_the_same/
/r/MensRights25/05/18 06:35 PM
1

The study I read had 18 year old adults and the difference was only +2.
/r/MensRights25/05/18 04:01 PM
2

Men are not 105, most studies find men and women are either identical or +2. Even if they were, 105 is not that big of an advantage.
/r/MensRights25/05/18 01:54 PM
2

The average is irrelevant though, it's only the extremes or tails that matter. The average man and woman are nearly identical in IQ at 100. But smart men are not average.
/r/MensRights25/05/18 04:35 AM
1

I was referring to your ridiculous chart/image.
/r/MensRights25/05/18 04:09 AM
1

How short is short precisely?
/r/MensRights25/05/18 03:50 AM
2

No I was not going by that graph at all. I posted the study that references the valid data showing women have a shorter SD, but it's not THAT short.
/r/MensRights25/05/18 03:39 AM
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Even a slightly smaller SD has an outsized effect at the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th standard deviation. There's also evidence men have a 2-5 IQ advantage at the median once they fully mature (women mature faster, physically and mentally). I have heard it said elsewhere that the gender imbalance at 160+ IQ (4th standard deviation) is like 6:1. A 2005 study by Ian Deary, Paul Irwing, Geoff Der, and Timothy Bates, focusing on the ASVAB showed a significantly higher variance in male scores, resulting in more…
/r/MensRights24/05/18 08:42 PM
26

Well I disagree with you on IQ, the evidence is fairly robust that you need about a 115 IQ to do well in STEM, below that and it becomes fairly difficult. It's ideal to have 120+ for STEM compared to other college majors that require less intellectual capacity. https://plot.ly/~etpinard/330/us-college-majors-average-iq-of-students-by-gender-ratio/#/ Here's a scatter plot of college majors vs IQ and percentage of women in each major. It's very clear that the gender ratio of people with IQs over 1…
/r/MensRights24/05/18 06:52 PM
26

You should also probably be aware that female's standard deviation of IQ is smaller, so there are more extremely low and very high IQ men at the extreme tails of the normal distribution. Women cluster more at the median. This is a partial explanation for the gender differences in STEM degrees. Personality difference is another partial explanation.
/r/MensRights24/05/18 06:23 PM
1

Inferior people yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 03:04 AM
1

Only because Africa, the middle east, and various other shitholes keep reproducing in vigorous k-selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 02:57 AM
1

no one..... Citation required.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 02:36 AM
1

That explains the low IQ too, no environmental pressure to select men with the high intelligence required to survive in a very cold place.
/r/TheRedPill24/05/18 02:32 AM
1

Saving for retirement won't save the human race from eventual extinction, you still don't have a solution for that. No Western society has fixed it's fundamental flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 02:25 AM
1

No one saves any money, no one is going to be pushed to save for their own retirement. Israel has a culture that basically highly pressures women to reproduce whether they like it or not, and nobody is fleeing Israel. So no, it's not necessary to cause people to want to flee.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 02:17 AM
1

I think that this is insulting to the intelligent female engineers, physicists, and computer scientists. It's not really important now, but I assumed you were insulted based on this statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 10:48 PM
1

Ok well I'm glad we cleared that up. Be well.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 10:46 PM
1

That puts more burden on others to sustain the human race. Not fair. You won't be allowed to leave, neither will your daughter.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 10:44 PM
1

Most managers are actually assholes to a large extent (some CEOs are psychopaths). Trump simply doesn't give a fuck about managing people's fragile feelings.
/r/TheRedPill23/05/18 09:44 PM
1

It's not irrational to want to human species to not go extinct, that's natural and rational. They were forced historically because they literally had no control over their reproductive system, no birth control pill or safe way to abort a fetus. This is how humans persisted throughout Western civilization and prior to civilization. Today is a totally unnatural condition, and we have not fully adapted to the new framework (and may never adapt fully). Part of that adaption is that only conservative…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 09:41 PM
1

Source on matriarchy in Africa? I'm surprised they have recorded history for that sort of thing that even exists.
/r/TheRedPill23/05/18 09:37 PM
1

Exactly, shit's going down man. As people get older they are intolerant of wide swings in the stock market, so everyone's 401ks should suffer below normal returns in the future. That means young people have to save more to retire or you need a robot to take care of you in old age.
/r/TheRedPill23/05/18 09:36 PM
1

Emotional intelligence is different, but it doesn't make you much money so it's also irrelevant to a large extent in the modern world.
/r/TheRedPill23/05/18 09:35 PM
1

I'm not offended by your offense, I just find it illogical. I explained how you fit into my worldview, the same as a woman who is very tall in height (for example). You existing is not incongruent to my argument at all. You should study how normal distributions work with standard deviation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 09:35 PM
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Yes chance, but the chance of a woman being like you is smaller than a man, that's all I'm saying. This is basic statistics and how normal distributions work.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 09:32 PM
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It's your job if society says it is, and we will once things deteriorate to a certain level. The continuation of the human species is not up to women, rational men will have no choice but to step in and ensure it continues. I have no problem with concepts like universal basic income in theory, especially for stay at home moms, but even still, that is a small compensation compared to a lifetime career for a college educated woman. The long term extinction of the human species isn't up for debate …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 04:17 PM
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This is very typical of women though, they often don't disagree with my facts, they just think the way I've presented them or the facts themselves are mean or insulting. I love smart women, I have nothing against them at all. It's feels over reals though, and that's not very intellectual. This is a place to debate things like this, not quibble over tone and such. You exist as an outlier in the human population, there's nothing wrong with that, it's just rare. Some women are very tall too, but mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 04:14 PM
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Because the human race needs to survive in the long run whether educated women want to comply with that or not. The women in Israel understand their social obligation to society while simultaneously getting educated as well. Women in other societies do not share their sentiments, therefore they should lose rights, it's that simple. The social compact is broken when people don't reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 05:09 AM
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I never said or implied that there weren't very smart women like you that exist, my only argument is that a gender gap in STEM is natural and biological and not due to patriarchy or cultural factors. By you going to an extreme to try to put me into the woman-hating box you think I live in, but you're revealing far more about yourself than you should. This post is probably not your best work, and you should realize you are smarter than this and apologize. I don't hate women, and I love smart wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 04:53 AM
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I have no doubt 160 is less attractive than 130, but that's why he did an intensive analysis of people in general. 130 is close to the top 5% which represents a lot of people, but 160+ is so small a group it's virtually invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 03:33 AM
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Free university, paid maternity leave, paid daycare, etc, in europe isn't resulting in higher birth rates. The carrot will not work when there is such a strong correlation between education and lack of reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 03:08 AM
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If they had money for a surrogate they could easily attract a woman... lol. But I don't expect women to care about lesser men, it's not in their nature. But what society cannot tolerate forever is sub-replacement level reproduction. That's unsustainable in the long run and will be corrected by punitive and rewarding measures for being fruitful.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 02:37 AM
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Given women care about a man's income 1000 times greater than the reverse, of course. But I am only talking about raw attractiveness here, for like promiscuous sex and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 02:31 AM
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Yes IQ has been dropping, very good point. The dysgenic effect cannot be stopped. Once society collapses I guess a eugenic effect will again be selected for.
/r/TheRedPill23/05/18 02:30 AM
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Men don't give a shit if a woman's unsuccessful, mystery solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/18 02:27 AM
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Assuming he doesn't get a genetic test done when he sees his child looks like someone else, sure. Not very smart imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 11:09 PM
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It's not a stupid idea at all, that's why this guy wrote an entire article about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 11:06 PM
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Particularly in a world where the automation and other labour replacement is completely able to pick up the slack. Until that actually happens, that's pure speculation at best. If they didn't, the govt. would not be able to borrow it. Wrong, the Government can print money and monetize debt, just like they did during the financial crisis of 2008 and thereafter to avoid an economic depression (largely associated with weak demographics). When the US govt wants to stop doing that, they'll raise taxe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 11:03 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 10:58 PM
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TL;DR
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 10:57 PM
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TL;DR
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 10:57 PM
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I recognize it's confounded with other things, but my point is IQ is a weak predictor of attraction, especially for women looking for men to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 10:43 PM
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Regardless, there is not much evidence IQ is attractive.
/r/TheRedPill22/05/18 10:42 PM
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You actually don't deserve a response but here you go... Physical sciences produce detailed and precise predictions, while social sciences do not. They can't use randomized, controlled experiences when people are involved. Science must have clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, testability, and reproducibility. While some human behaviors can be predicted, many of them simply cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 10:41 PM
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What about the article is unclear? You're just hand waving everything I post away.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 10:34 PM
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In Norway their culture is actually pro-birth, so most of the men in the surveys say they want kids even if they don't have them. Men in Norway are pretty egalitarian, I think they help with kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 10:31 PM
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Modern economists have already studied all this, it's a well known fact that demographics is not good for the economy or the welfare of individuals or society overall. There is no debate to be had here. It's settled science. The baby boomers are now starting to retire in force, as that entire generation moves through retirement and begins consuming resources without producing anything of value, it will be a larger drag on society in 10-20 years. That's why the future estimated deficit is much la…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 10:29 PM
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http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/13/news/la-ol-blowback-pscyhology-science-20120713
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 10:24 PM
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Higher SMV, but not higher tingles.
/r/TheRedPill22/05/18 10:22 PM
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In the whole sample, the correlation between attractiveness and IQ-level of college major was, as expected, slightly positive (r = .21). So the story was indeed different for undergraduates compared to professors. However, something intriguing happened when I split the sample into men and women. In men the correlation was still positive, but in women it was slightly negative!
/r/TheRedPill22/05/18 10:21 PM
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Exactly what wikipedia says about it. I'm not making up my own definitions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 10:14 PM
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It makes funding social programs for the elderly especially difficult and burdensome on younger people. Also, eventually the human race will just cease to exist once the entire world adopts feminism and female empowerment and education. Economic growth sucks too. It will not increase the utility of the pie pieces because aggregate demand slows down with lower reproduction. That's why Toys R US is going out of business near me. Reproduction induces spending on larger homes, more furniture, more i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 09:56 PM
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It's mostly involuntary according to the female researcher who studied these men in Norway. Did you miss my post about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 09:51 PM
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Google is your friend, check Wikipedia. It talks about differences in the way the scientific method is applied that are arguably more robust in other hard science disciplines.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 09:51 PM
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That's true to some extent, but the worst outcome is 100% fatherless homes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 09:30 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 09:29 PM
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It's not all about interest, it's about both.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 09:29 PM
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You don't get it, it's just 25% of males who don't reproduce, and about 13% of women who don't (half the male percentage basically).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 09:29 PM
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Wrong. It's a soft science.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 09:26 PM
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The negative utility of sub-replacement birth rates will eventually be solved just like taxes and theft.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 09:25 PM
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Fodder is a kind word, men are simply useless eaters except for the top men that all the women desire to mate with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 09:23 PM
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It proves why women are not attracted to the majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 09:23 PM
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Care to expand on that line of thought?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 09:22 PM
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Finally someone sensible...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 03:09 AM
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I'm not even talking about the epidemic of single motherhood, but that no doubt is a problem. I'm just saying you can't say for certain that since men are addicted to games it explains why sexlessness is increasing among men. If men are rejected would they not be drawn into that virtual world as an escape mechanism? I say yes, often.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 02:55 AM
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Fat goes both ways, but the men in Norway aren't fat, still 25% of them never reproduce, the highest level of non-reproduction among men in the world...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 02:51 AM
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Most of the men who ever lived never reproduced, what more evidence do you need?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 02:50 AM
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So re-restrict and confine, easy fix... once you get a taste of the alpha cock you'll never be satisfied with your eventual beta provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 02:49 AM
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It's suppose to be fucking hard, but not this hard...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 02:46 AM
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You're confusing cause and effect. The internet addiction is caused by women chasing alpha cocks. So it's an effect, a way to compensate for the rising tide of male uselessness in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 02:45 AM
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You're confusing cause and effect. The addiction is caused by women chasing alpha cocks. So it's an effect, a way to compensate for the rising tide of male uselessness in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 02:45 AM
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My post does say that... you're really boring me man. The other fact, if you read my OP, is personality differences between men and women widen the disparity of interest. Women are not interested in how a car engine works for biological reasons independent of her current level of intelligence. Intelligence in women is expressed socially and verbally, that's why women score better than men in verbal skills, so they tend to do very well in Law School compared to men. But they can't keep up in a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 02:41 AM
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It is enough at close to 130 IQ, as most graduates in the higher end STEM degrees are close to that level of intelligence. Even if some are beneath it, some are also above it. The ratio of men and woman at 130 IQ is 2 to 1. So men have a significant advantage in brain power at a level that makes it very easy to pass STEM classes and advance in jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 02:07 AM
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I never said you needed to be a genius to graduate stem, it just makes it so much easier it becomes likely you're close to 125-130. 140+ is considered genius I believe. There are not enough women at 125-130, that's the basic problem for them. Plus their personality is different too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 01:49 AM
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Almost every industrialized nation in the world is facing a population crisis to varying degrees. It will intensify in a few decades as the population ages and old people start to draw benefits at increased rates, while we just have a bunch of illegal immigrants as recent arrivals mowing laws and scrubbing toilets and paying no taxes. White people need to learn to reproduce again unless they want western civilization to collapse. Japan needs to reproduce as well or they will also collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 01:45 AM
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No, not really, just the colleges can't process your application till you're married with two kids. They could easily qualify by the time they're 28. Then they could have a full 30-35 year career afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/18 12:00 AM
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STEM average is about 120-130 IQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 11:49 PM
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Oh yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 11:48 PM
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No, they just have to get married and reproduce before they go to college.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 11:48 PM
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Uhhh... no, you have no idea what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 11:47 PM
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I would imagine the average IQ at google is like 120+, would you dispute this?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:33 PM
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No I didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:29 PM
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IQ is a good indicator of future success and ability. Most people on the bottom half of the IQ distribution are not qualified to work at google in any capacity.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:28 PM
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Uhh no. How is my opinion wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:20 PM
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Which they don't possess in high enough frequency...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 05:08 PM
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Because society is turned upside down, and it's up to rationalists like me to help turn it right side up again.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 04:28 PM
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Some smart women are involved in stuff like this, but they're less numerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 04:27 PM
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Social sciences are not science, they do not follow the scientific methodology. They are soft sciences at best. It is a matter of women lacking very high IQs that are stimulated by vastly more complex thinking. For this reason it's very unlikely to find a female equivalent to Einstein.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 04:14 PM
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Social workers are largely paid by the Government, so their incomes are socially determined, not financially dictated by the free market seeking value. In other words, they're subsidized by men who earn a lot of money and pay most of the income taxes. STEM is not boring to many men who find it intellectually stimulating. That's indicative of your female brain/personality that doesn't find it intellectually stimulating (which is perfectly normal). Why should you be interested in stuff like that? …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:58 PM
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Alright then.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:55 PM
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Wages are high, taxes are also HIGH. That means less disposable income for very expensive housing costs. If the top 20% of women had high IQs like men, they would not be bored by STEM.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:47 PM
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How is this mean? It's presented in a fairly neutral way. I didn't say women were stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:42 PM
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Yeah, his additional comment had almost zero substance, even if it's begrudgingly agreeing and finding no fault in my logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:41 PM
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The cost of living in Norway is VERY high, so yeah they are worried about income, that's why about 25% of the male population is functionally obsolete there (the highest level of male non-reproduction in the developed world).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:39 PM
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How is my tone in my OP mean precisely? I didn't say women were stupid, they're about as smart as men, they just don't have many hyper intelligent people. There aren't many men who are that smart either. It's a tiny percentage of the human population with an IQ over 130 and even smaller at 160. But the differences are huge at the extremes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:36 PM
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For anyone who wants a decent income STEM is very desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:33 PM
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Fine I'll delete it. But comments about the tone of my OP are not welcome either. There is nothing in my OP that is mean, it's just factual.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:32 PM
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Women have higher verbal IQs, there is no doubt in my mind about that. They are natural socializers. Their intelligence is expressed differently. You're right.
/r/TheRedPill21/05/18 03:31 PM
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I am not advocating Handmaiden Tale, that is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:26 PM
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Men are like 66% of the xNTx domain! 2:1 ratio! We CAN say that to a large extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:22 PM
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I'm here here to be nice in the face of rabid feminists who have no logic whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:15 PM
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He's saying it doesn't belong here (which is wrong), he isn't criticizing the argument or facts. That's the purpose of this sub, for debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:10 PM
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This woman is INTP, which only servers to prove my point. The gender ratio for INTP is 5:2, as I said in my OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:09 PM
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Women who are INTP are a VERY TINY PERCENTAGE of the female population.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:09 PM
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It doesn't require highly abstract thought patterns to raise a fucking kid. Multitasking cooking and other stuff is just multitasking mundane activities that require very little intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:08 PM
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That is the only objective purpose of any lifeform, to reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:06 PM
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It's about genetic interest level also, Norway has almost perfect gender egalitarianism and women still don't want to study STEM, even though 60% of college students are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:05 PM
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Of course there are always outliers in any population. I'm not saying women are incapable of being very effective at IT, it's just far less likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:04 PM
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It doesn't require an Einstein to raise a kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 03:03 PM
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That's very true. And Asian males and White males get discriminated against. It's sad that our meritocracy has fallen so low. Summers was actually right, I read about that when it happened.
/r/TheRedPill21/05/18 03:03 PM
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It's like the Olympics, women are physically weaker and they're also mentally weaker at the higher end.
/r/TheRedPill21/05/18 03:01 PM
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My post does not violate the rules. That's why it's here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 01:30 PM
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We are mainly interested in disparities at the tail ends of the distribution, NOT the median/average difference. The people who work at Google are not average, so it's irrelevant. It is your post, not mine, that is something silly or worse. Do you understand how a normal distribution works with increases or decreases in standard deviation?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 01:29 PM
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Hormones affect brain development and personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/18 01:28 PM
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They may get that sweet affirmative action money, but they will never feel a real sense of accomplishment, therefore they will always be a hollow space in their soul where pride is suppose to be. Sucks to be them actually. If women can convince men to give them resources for free it only increases how picky she can be when she ultimately selects a mate to reproduce with, but the problem is they solipsistically think men care about their income, we don't. So they often fail to meet expectations a…
/r/TheRedPill21/05/18 01:16 PM
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Ok well it's still technically correct, 2 IQ points is not a non-relevant data point. I'm really addressing bullshit like "we need more women in STEM" and "women can do anything" bullshit. They can't, they cluster at the median for a good reason.
/r/TheRedPill21/05/18 12:27 PM
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A woman in STEM is like a fish out of water, in general.
/r/TheRedPill21/05/18 12:24 PM
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The mean is not important actually, as I said, it's the standard deviation that varies and grows with age. I did NOT forget, LOL! You don't read my short post man...
/r/TheRedPill21/05/18 12:22 PM
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IQ literally stands for Intelligence Quotient, so no, you're wrong. It's not intellect. I'm not saying IQ is 100% of everything, it's not, but it's a big deal.
/r/TheRedPill21/05/18 12:21 PM
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It's certainly an interesting experience no doubt, with the capacity to change you for the better once you return to civilization.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/18 09:48 PM
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Women have a great need to reproduce around 27-35, it's a biological need that just starts screaming in their heads. Guys are adapted to being the disposable gender for millions of years. Most of the men who ever lived never reproduced, so we have a strong capacity to deal with our own worthlessness in various ways. Women need religion and medication.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/18 09:47 PM
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Every minute a mother spends at work instead of with her child carries a cost. It may be small on an hourly basis, but it adds up, and the results are often reflected in poor social outcomes in adulthood. Men need to focus primarily on their careers so the family has at least one solid breadwinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 09:44 PM
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They crave to be controlled, but men are failing the shit test by letting them be uncontrolled and being too beta. It sounds nuts, but it's really how their brains work. A steady diet of alpha cock in their 20's is sure to ruin her capacity to feel attachment to her beta, she is much more likely to feel resentment.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/18 09:39 PM
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Yep, women aren't men and never will be, no matter how hard they try they will always fall short of that goal, at least 9 times out of 10.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/18 09:37 PM
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If people knew what was coming we'd already have financial unrest. The illusion is required to maintain order in the short run. It's engineered basically. The elites do not want a panic, they want a slow and steady decline, and they know the key to achieving that is with a healthy dose of propaganda, printing money, pointless entertainment like Marvel movies, and welfare for the poor. The Romans had a word for it, it's called "bread and circuses."
/r/TheRedPill20/05/18 01:44 PM
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It's not their fault, they have never had to be in charge of that sort of thing. It's not in their nature to be responsible for things, only people. That's why they all want to be nurses, teachers, get psychology degrees, sociology, etc. They are social animals, not intellectuals that build complex things. It's like asking Einstein to become a caregiver, it wouldn't work.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/18 01:36 PM
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That's true, next recession will be legit ugly I think, because rates are already very low.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/18 01:34 PM
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Wrong again, it's not just geniuses, there are way more men who just are gifted basically, the disparity just grows greater at the extreme ends of the distribution. There are more men who are idiots too, so that's worth nothing as well, but men are disposable, so it doesn't matter. Women were built by nature to be caregivers and reproducers, not to be like Einstein solving the world's technical issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 01:29 PM
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Not for you, but so often it's something approaching either/or unfortunately. Do you work any 50-60 hour weeks? Do you go on conferences out of town regularly for work? Are you a super woman climbing the ladder of success just as fast or faster than your male peers? If not, you're not what I'm talking about at all, and that's why a gender gap exists in pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 01:27 PM
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Women are happiest in their 20's, look up the data, it's a fucking fact man.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/18 01:24 PM
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You don't have to live in fear because someday a hurricane will hit at full strength. Just live your life as a normal person, but have a plan if the shit hits the fan. It's not hard to do.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/18 01:23 PM
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The data is from 2005, as someone else pointed out. So you're wrong bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 01:22 PM
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That is actually small compared to the unfunded liabilities, social security and medicare for the entire baby boomer generation through retirement that we young people have to somehow fund with less people than we should have in our generation due to demographic collapse. Higher costs and fewer people, it's not a recipe for long term success and prosperity. Plus, States are bankrupt as well with long term liabilities associated with pensions they promised to Government workers who can retire at …
/r/TheRedPill20/05/18 01:21 PM
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Yes I have. Fiat is actually theoretically sustainable, it's just corruption inherent to human greed makes it unsustainable in the long run. Women were unchained from the kitchen at about the same time as we dumped the gold standard. So it's a complex array of issues affecting society today.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/18 01:18 PM
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Most people who clean houses are not white, your exception is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 04:28 AM
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Yea well, it's gonna get a lot less democratic in your lifetime most likely. If not yours, then in the next 100-150 years.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/18 04:27 AM
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Historically democracies do not live forever. We're basically running out the clock here. Look up the statistics yourself.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/18 04:12 AM
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That's why you people don't want a wall, love that cheap labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/18 04:11 AM
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You have no idea what you're talking about, but I have no desire to set you straight either.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/18 04:09 AM
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In their 20's no, in their 30's to 80's? Yes.
/r/TheRedPill20/05/18 04:07 AM
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Feelsbadman. In that case I am glad to help. I'm sorry to hear about your unfortunate upbringing, makes it hard to thrive in such a cucked up world. Women were meant to be dependent on men for their survival, it's a fact of human nature that we can never escape in the modern world.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/18 10:40 PM
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https://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(17)30315-X/fulltext
/r/TheRedPill19/05/18 10:02 PM
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If they all insist on having a man smarter than themselves, yes. It's more like 25% in the real world, as shown in Norway's hyper egalitarian structure. There are more retarded men, but more smart to extremely intelligent ones too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 10:01 PM
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Women are not as smart as men at the tail ends of the IQ gender distributions, they cluster at the median IQ, so in fact, there are more men with high IQs than women, that's one reason they suck at STEM which is a highly G-loaded set of studies. They're also biologically inclined to care about people, not things, so they don't care about how a car engine works, they want to know how a human body works and how to heal people. It's a hard red pill to swallow for a feminist, but it's a mathematical…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 09:17 PM
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This study was compiled before social media took such a large prominence in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 09:14 PM
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This study was compiled before social media took such a large prominence in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 09:14 PM
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This study was compiled before social media took such a large prominence in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 09:13 PM
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Fuck her mum, seriously. Tell her to get a life and stop living other people's lives on facebook. Tell her to delete the fucking facebook, and the mum can call her on the phone to talk about her life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 09:13 PM
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I's overpriced because women do not belong in college, then a college degree would have value again. Lower supply, close to the same demand, you do the math.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 09:09 PM
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....
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 09:05 PM
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Because women are like children, and the children are now dictating politics and policies that are fucking this world up beyond repair. They're driving this country into a gutter and it will probably end up causing some sort of financial crisis/collapse worse than 2008, eventually. I think there is a link between a lot of this shit and the financial crisis of 2008, it's demographic collapse and debt fueled growth.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/18 09:04 PM
1

Business elites in general learned decades ago that women drove most financial decisions in a household even though they didn't control the money directly, so they had the bright idea of encouraging all the women in society to abandon their slavery in the kitchen to go to college, get wage slave jobs in a cubicle, lower the cost of labor for corporations, and spend and borrow money on a bunch of useless shit like fancy clothing, expensive dinners at restaurants, fancy houses, big vacations to La…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 09:01 PM
1

So no argument? Gotcha. I win.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:58 PM
1

I believe it hasn't changed, but I admit that is not 100% certain, it could have leveled off at some lower level consistent with current demand for anti-depressants or whatever you want to fucking look at.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:57 PM
4

There's a lot of people in the suburbs that don't live in houston. Even rural areas outside of Houston but close enough to work have very high cost of living, even land is super expensive way outside of Houston.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/18 08:56 PM
1

It hasn't slightly decreased, it largely decreased such that there isn't even a real wage gap anymore when you account for various factors that produce differences in wage. The cost of living has also gone up along with the greater disposable income available to dual income earning households (a direct consequence of feminism too). Inflation in the 70's was driven by women as well, entering the workforce in large numbers with rising wages.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:55 PM
0

It hasn't slightly decreased, it largely decreased such that there isn't even a real wage gap anymore when you account for various factors that produce differences in wage. The cost of living has also gone up along with the greater disposable income available to dual income earning households (a direct consequence of feminism too). Inflation in the 70's was driven by women as well, entering the workforce in large numbers with rising wages.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:54 PM
15

There are always consequences, having choices is actually not always a blessing, as someone else pointed out. It creates confusion for young people who have no idea. Hitting the wall thinking you can have it all in your 30's is just one consequence.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/18 08:52 PM
3

There are always more dragons to slay, like fake issues like the wage gap. This is why women destroy civilizations.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/18 08:47 PM
12

There are always more dragons to slay, like fake issues like the wage gap. This is why women destroy civilizations.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/18 08:47 PM
1

That's why I said probably, I'm not doing your homework here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:45 PM
1

The business elites were not stupid, they came up with the idea of putting lots of education and money in women's hands. It was a giant scam.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:45 PM
1

7 is actually a lot compared to historical standards of what was considered normal and moral.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:44 PM
0

This is also what TRP means when they say women are like children, not all of them obviously, but a lot of women I know simply need to be told what to do, basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:44 PM
1

It wasn't all that shitty to make dinner for your husband, take care of YOUR kids that you love and are biologically inclined to care for, and clean your house. It's not a fucking slave job at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:41 PM
1

It works fine for me.
/r/MensRights19/05/18 08:39 PM
1

You have no argument against anything I've said, you're a joke actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:39 PM
1

Feminists can't accept this simple biological fact. Women weren't meant to be geniuses solving the world's worst problems and technical issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:38 PM
0

Everything I write is unique.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:37 PM
1

Facebook is the biggest cancer on this planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:37 PM
1

It hasn't changed, it probably got worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:34 PM
2

They knew women dictated a lot of the household spending, so they knew they could market to this new class of workers with incomes, much easier perhaps by putting money in their hands and selling them expensive designer clothing and other garbage people don't need.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:34 PM
1

Wage slavery is a perfect analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 08:32 PM
-1

It will resolve itself in economic collapse and financial crisis far worse than 2008. That's my prediction, then whoever the President is will declare Martial Law, which he is authorized to do under the constitution, and dissolve the congress basically like Caesar did when the Senate and the Roman Republic died. Then they'll have to re-organize society in a more functional way.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/18 08:30 PM
34

That's actually a fundamental truth that is really important. That's why western society is collapsing, women have too much authority, education, and economic power. They will destroy this mother fucker one way or another.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/18 08:28 PM
10

Yes exactly, that's 100% it. Stay at home moms are under economic as well as cultural pressure from "modern families" with two incomes and a chip on their shoulder about how high and mighty they are compared to "regular" women who are "slaves" to a man and stuck in the kitchen. They're disgusting animals destined to be weeded out of the gene pool by their own stupidity.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/18 08:24 PM
10

No it's women too, Houston has no zoning laws, it's still expensive.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/18 08:22 PM
19

That's the truth, no doubt. Steady cock diets ruin relationships and marriages.
/r/TheRedPill19/05/18 08:18 PM
1

Modern feminism where women are getting more college degrees (and graduate degrees) than men didn't take hold until much later. The demands on education were much lower in the 1970s as well. Women worked in the 1970's, but their median incomes were much lower, so it wasn't that big of a deal. Quitting your job to have a baby wasn't a huge financial loss or opportunity cost. https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/wsjhutchgraph-1.jpg The problem is that the wage gap is not larger, li…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 04:04 PM
1

3rd wave did not really start in full force until the 1980's. So no, again.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:59 PM
3

Lack of desirable men, now that their standards have gone up tremendously, due to earning lots of money, being independent, and getting educated. Boys will grow up to be men if there is demand for it, but there isn't. Women drive this, not men. They slut around in their 20's and don't even think about settling for a beta until their 30's. But by then they're usually alpha-widowed to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:58 PM
2

This study was written in 2009, almost 10 years ago, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:55 PM
1

The labor participation rate is decreasing because people are priced out of the market. They're not needed or desired as laborers, the supply is enough to meet the lower demand. It's exactly the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:55 PM
1

If what you say is true then we should see some indication things are changing. We don't because the labor participation rate keeps going down, down, down, and much of this decline is men between the ages of 25-54 (hence the large increase in suicides for white middle-aged males).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:50 PM
63

They also get alpha-widowed a large percentage of the time, and so are even less likely to develop a true loving bond with their beta provider. So divorce and all that fun stuff...
/r/TheRedPill19/05/18 03:48 PM
2

Alright Jizzabel, whatever you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:47 PM
0

Very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:40 PM
2

I'm suppose to look for evidence to support your argument? Female logic...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:40 PM
2

I read your comment too fast. You are right about solipsism, but if women made no money then every male income looks a lot more attractive. It doesn't matter how beta a male is, if he's a provider then he's valuable in a world where women are kept in their place as primary caregivers for infants and children.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:38 PM
5

Capitalism was a big part of the world in the 1970's too, so your argument is false. Women should not outnumber men in college, that's ass backwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:36 PM
2

A superior male mind triumphs once again.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:32 PM
2

The criticism is ankle biting to try to discredit what is clearly a fundamental fact that shouldn't require a study at all to prove.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:32 PM
1

I bet in the past they weren't so anal about defining happiness. FFS. Citation required.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:24 PM
1

LOL, nice pic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:21 PM
2

Nope, find one, I challenge you to use your powerful female mind and prove me wrong. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:19 PM
2

Show me one other person who commented two times on any single comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:14 PM
1

Because society will collapse eventually with not enough people reproducing in sustainable marriages that are most likely to raise kids to be something someday. Some men use game to strengthen a relationship, but it's not enough, clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:05 PM
2

Nice woman-splaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:03 PM
2

It's only limited based on what is considered normal. You clearly aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:03 PM
2

By whom precisely?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 03:01 PM
2

Two different comments on the same OP? Some rabid Jizzabel feminist is clearly triggered... lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 02:59 PM
0

You'd have to learn to use an AR-15 before you do that. Who do you think is going to kill all the men? You people are such a joke, men could take back control of society tomorrow and ban women from voting and there's nothing you could do about it except burn your bras in protest. You're weak, and you know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 02:58 PM
1

Some people are, not you obviously. If I had a blog I would likely have a lot of people listening, but I have no desire for that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 02:28 PM
1

You can think that all you want, but until it changes it's pure speculation. For certain professions like STEM education is an actual requirement, not a nice thing to have. For bullshit jobs pushing paper in a cubicle, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 02:27 PM
1

Women only make up about one-third of the legal profession TODAY. Exceptions to the rule historically are not evidence of shit. And Ginsburg is a nut that shouldn't be allowed to practice law.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 02:25 PM
1

Very few women lawyers throughout all of western history.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 05:09 AM
1

There were very few women lawyers till the 70's or 80's. fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 05:09 AM
1

Harvard Law School didn't even allow women to apply until the 1960's. There have never been many women in high end corporate or other jobs in Western societies since the 1970's or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 02:02 AM
1

the financial crisis is due to demographic collapse. The baby boomers were going through their peak spending years during the 2000's and it played out around 2008, leading to a crash that was inevitable. They attempted to keep the bubble going by lending to non-white borrowers who are unqualified. But the baby boomers didn't have enough kids to sustain the party, and the immigrants and other non-whites without education mowing laws and cleaning houses of working women aren't producing enough val…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 02:01 AM
1

Sure it does, the financial crisis is due to demographic collapse. The baby boomers were going through their peak spending years during the 2000's and it played out around 2008, leading to a crash that was inevitable. They attempted to keep the bubble going by lending to non-white borrowers who are unqualified. But the baby boomers didn't have enough kids to sustain the party, and the immigrants mowing laws and cleaning houses of working women aren't producing enough value to replace the white p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 01:59 AM
1

Game is not sustainable on a societal level. It will collapse the system from within.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 12:18 AM
1

I don't debate, I am only here to educate. I have no doubt I am right about what I believe and my ego feels no need to prove to you otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 12:17 AM
0

That's correct. It's not about sex, it's about creating the conditions for reproduction above replacement level so society doesn't constantly age and slowly die. No, you have failed at life too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 11:39 PM
1

35
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 11:38 PM
1

I would have been 50 years ago, but the world is too fucked up now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 11:38 PM
1

I have no desire to educate you. Lack of regulation was a small contributor yes, but that's not all. Dumb people borrowing shit they can't pay back was the real cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 11:36 PM
1

If you can't see the signs of social decay all around you then you're simply blind. The financial crisis of 2008 was merely a prelude to a future crisis of such a large magnitude that printing money won't fix the problem. So under a collapse scenario I see a new dictatorship forming, and it will likely be someone like Donald Trump in charge, just like Putin in Russia basically, except the American version. We will have a system of Government like China basically, a meritocracy, but an undemocrat…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:47 PM
3

They did to a large extent, at least to live a normal life with a house and stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:41 PM
1

I never bitch about that, I'm a strong paternalist and natalist, of course women need men's money, but they shouldn't be able to divorce rape for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:41 PM
1

Divorce cannot be allowed except in cases of physical abuse. Very simple fix, back to basics.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:39 PM
7

So women were enslaved back in the 1950s and before that? I don't think so. Bad logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:38 PM
1

They wanted to, but they had no control over their own reproduction, birth control pills unlocked female hypergamy and unleashed a monster on society.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:37 PM
1

Yes it will be going away fairly soon, but perhaps not in our lifetimes. Surely in the next 100-200 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:36 PM
1

The world's problems and her problem as well, yes. Women should not be getting college degrees before men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:35 PM
5

If you can't eat without a man's money, it gets you laid, very simple economics 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:34 PM
1

It's the fault of women making too much money, if they can't make money they're forced to settle for any beta early in life, otherwise all the men are taken. Much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:33 PM
1

Civility is overrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 10:32 PM
4

You can't prove that, you're like a religious person seeking pre-determined answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:48 PM
2

Nah, women were not allowed to get education for thousands of years of western civilization, only the last 50 years have been different, and have brought even more social upheaval you're talking about compared to history. Women's independence in destroying western civilization slowly but surely.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:47 PM
1

Yes it is. Women were meant to be dependent on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:45 PM
-3

Women working with careers has priced about 25% of men out of the sexual market. In norway 25% of men never reproduce compared to women who are much more successful. The rate of increase for men's sexlessness is 3:1. This is a long term trend that will only grow greater as the need for higher education grows. The only solution is to put women in a position where they can't earn as much as a man early in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:17 PM
2

I outlined very clearly how to fix this problem, no college degrees for women until age 27-32, married, and two kids... so simple but society will never embrace it until it's too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:11 PM
1

TL;DR version is women shouldn't make a lot of money!! Bad idea!! Dependency on men is good for everyone basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:10 PM
1

The only solution is no college for women until 30, married, and 2 kids... next problem. I can solve all the world's problems if people will let me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:08 PM
4

The men who will put up with their bullshit are too feminine, so basically unattractive. Not good.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:07 PM
3

Denial is a wonderful thing isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:05 PM
4

Her expectations on male accomplishment are too high. Accomplished men don't need an accomplished woman, they need a young and fertile one that is docile and agreeable, like women typically are. It's conducive to a healthy relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:05 PM
1

Fairly sure there's some malice in here somewhere at the elite level.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:03 PM
1

Stripped of the capacity to get educated and earn her own wealth, she would have been forced into dependency on some man to achieve anything in life, so no matter how masculine she is naturally she'd have to learn to live within her gender role at an early age. This is the only normal and valid way for human beings co-exist and flourish together. This is why women should not be allowed to go to college until they're married with 2 kids at like age 28-32. Then they can play catch up on their care…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 09:02 PM
-1

Gender equality is terrible. Gender roles are the only stable form of society.
/r/MensRights17/05/18 01:32 AM
1

Yeah I don't see that actually working well in the real world too often. I'm not saying it has never happened, but I wouldn't put the success rate above 20%. She's more likely to stab him in the neck while he sleeps.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 05:08 PM
1

Yes, but people's emotions and empathy for others prevents them from seeing reality. We all wish so much that everyone could be the same with the same basic potential that can be unlocked with education and improved environment, but it's simply not true. Cold climates selected for intelligence many generations ago, so skin pigmentation is roughly correlated to intelligence between groups. It's a sad, sad reality, that will unfortunately smack the world in the face someday, except East Asians, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 04:58 PM
1

Of course, and if it doesn't stack up well against her status as a lawyer or a corporate executive, you're done.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 04:53 PM
2

It has to do with the welfare state in Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 04:51 PM
1

The IQ is too low for immigrant populations to replace natives, except for East Asians. But East Asians always vote for more socialism too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 04:47 PM
-1

Not if women earn a lot of money on their own, no, because their expectations keep rising and rising as they earn more and more. It's inherently destabilizing to society. Women were never meant to be independent of men's capacity to provide for them.
/r/MensRights16/05/18 04:33 PM
1

Many countries in this world have tax as a percent of GDP between 40-50%. I am not even imposing this level of burden on the whole of society, only on the childless alone, which will hopefully not be too numerous. The failure of socialism is related to the failure of feminism, reduced demand for reproduction which is necessary to fund the welfare state in the long run. The reality of the Laffer curve is a lie told to conservatives that don't want to subsidize the reproduction and lives of the po…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 04:23 PM
1

I know it's a good job, but thanks for saying so anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:39 PM
1

They will call their congressman to regulate the hospitals. You may not want to have children pay for some old idiot, but that's exactly what is going to happen. You're just in denial about what the future holds. The dwindling young population will be forced to fund the massive and growing elderly welfare system, both in terms of benefits per person over a lifetime and in total individuals drawing benefits. The great financial apocalypse is not too far off in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:04 PM
1

No, the Government controls who can be a nurse and who can't via licensing. Most human beings possess a minimum level of decency towards their offspring, it's a biological reality. Women's bodies are flooded with various hormones during pregnancy and shortly after the birthing process to facilitate infant attachment. Women have been dependent on men for centuries and they all had to do their duty and reproduce effectively. It has worked for thousands of years but somehow you think only the curre…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:01 PM
1

They're not stupid, they will figure it out and vote accordingly. Old people already vote more frequently than young people do, so unless you have a lot of young people being born they have little political power to adjust retirement systems that favor the growing elderly welfare class. This is why we need babies, we have to fund the future somehow and pay debt carrying costs. Also, who do you thinks writes new laws? Old people, look at Nancy Pelosi and the Senate majority/minority leaders.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:56 PM
1

Not everyone can, and even many who can wouldn't want to. Women will have to go back to marrying a man early in life to secure provisioning. And men will get a head start on building careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:53 PM
1

Nobody will vote for that. It's stupid to even contemplate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:34 PM
1

If women can't go to college until they have 2 kids, that will certainly incentivize them. I can make it as hardcore as I need to in order to meet my goals. But I simply don't think it's necessary, because I'm only trying to raise the overall birth rate slightly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:33 PM
2

AHHH! Much better! My bleeding asshole is causing a mess here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:32 PM
1

I didn't say that. But you're falling into a logical fallacy trap here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:31 PM
1

It's not ridiculous at all. It's a major change in the modern world that you would prefer to ignore. I provided just one example of how feminism harms women, and you wrist flick it away as a minor consideration at best. You're being intellectually dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:11 PM
1

Not force, provide incentives and disincentives. The plan is fine, we already provide various incentives for family formation, we just don't provide enough. We also locate all the abortion clinics in poor neighborhoods, where they are needed the most. This is a legal form of eugenics we all accept as voluntary and valid. The middle class will benefit from my policies the most, not the bottom 25%.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:09 PM
1

Feminism alone is causing low self-esteem for stay at home moms who just chose a different path than career women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:06 PM
1

Most people won't opt for euthanasia except under extreme circumstances. They'll continue to squeeze the health care system to the max to sustain their lives as long as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:05 PM
1

Many families will decide to have more kids under my proposal. I'm not opposed to a universal basic income, but I won't subsidize the reproduction of the uneducated and lower class. They'll have to be limited to 1 child max, then accept tubal ligation and vasectomies to continue to draw benefits. The bottom quartile is what I'm talking about. But that means the top 3 quartiles need to pick up the reproductive slack.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:02 PM
1

Economic, social, and cultural sustainability in the long run. People are too dumb to save for their own retirement also, that's why we created social security in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:56 AM
1

For them? Not much. For society that needs reproduction? Greatly. I couldn't give two shits about unemployed divorce lawyers. They can all commit suicide for all I care. They'll have to find another area of law to feed off of like a blood sucking leach.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:53 AM
1

We're not going to have a massive youth bulge, I'm only trying to get 2.1 children born per woman, not 5-10 like underdeveloped countries. You have adopted a false premise to try to support a fallacious argument with no basis in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:50 AM
1

And you can't prove otherwise either. I admit it's a bit of a mystery, but my theory is best.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:49 AM
2

That depends how you define one. Are men slaves to providing? We're all slaves to something, to jobs, to the need for money, to the needs of shelter, food, the company of other human beings, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:48 AM
1

No it's really not actually, it's just hypocritical if I'm not. But now you're getting into whataboutism, which is a logical fallacy. Whether I'm reproducing or not is irrelevant to a debate such as this about the merits of changing society to encourage more reproduction (like Israel where they culturally treat women like shit if they choose not to become mothers). Clearly there is an enormous amount of pressure and stigma that childfree women need to live with. For Jewish women in Israel, thoug…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:47 AM
1

Yes I'm getting a used Tesla Model S soon. No oil changes, very few moving parts to break down, super cheap to own.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:40 AM
1

Men are fine as long as they have access to a reasonable amount of pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:40 AM
1

Irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:33 AM
1

Men will not be malcontent, they will be getting the same great deal they always got for centuries in Western society, 1 woman for every man that needs them to thrive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:32 AM
1

Correlation is often causation though. Unless you can prove otherwise, it's a decent bet to take. Did your car get broken into? Check to see if more minorities have moved into your neighborhood. Cause and effect is often not that hard to figure out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:31 AM
0

That's our natural state, women are physically weak, and have always needed our protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:25 AM
1

We don't really care if love is there, just for social stability purposes it's better for kids and husband's wallets.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:24 AM
3

Sounds like Stockholm syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:20 AM
1

I know pretty much everything... not even bragging. It's just a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:08 AM
1

Malcontent young women are not as dangerous like malcontent young men. Israel has a very high birth rate for a civilized nation, they're doing fine. Women are not leaving.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:06 AM
1

Thank you very much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:05 AM
1

Not according to my research. The frequency of repairs and the severity of them are both higher than normal for entry level luxury.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:04 AM
2

Carproblemzoo.com Repairpal.com Thank me later.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:03 AM
0

Nope they're great assumptions, that's why we still cling to them even in the modern era.
/r/MensRights16/05/18 11:02 AM
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Yeah for sure. Dress nice, groom like you have money, get expensive sun glasses, get a fake rolex, fake it till you make it is a great idea in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 11:01 AM
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You'd be amazed what you can achieve amid a little chaos. People tend to be open to extreme solutions during those times.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 10:59 AM
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But that is the primary change for them, and it should have been more beneficial than it has been.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 10:58 AM
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And yet almost no one does this, because they don't want to be alone, so they compromise.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 10:57 AM
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Of course it's desirable, for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 10:56 AM
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Yes that's true, but it will help families. And it doesn't really cost that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 10:55 AM
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Crazy time... ok, very intellectual.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 10:54 AM
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Yes, that logical conclusion did occur to me, frightening.
/r/MensRights16/05/18 10:54 AM
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I think that's the propaganda somehow spread on Reddit and a few other articles written about the study. Fake news burying the findings.
/r/MensRights16/05/18 04:50 AM
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Thanks, that makes much more sense. I don't know where the 4 times figure actually comes from.
/r/MensRights16/05/18 04:43 AM
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Talk to these feminists about financial abortion, they'll turn pro-life so fast it'll make your head spin.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 03:33 AM
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Sure it is, but nobody is ordering you to reproduce, you can have a career and be childless if you want. I'm not advocating for literally forcing anyone to reproduce like handmaiden. You might feel compelled to do so if I slap a childless tax on career women/men over the age of 35 or so, but that's only fair to help fund social programs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:58 AM
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Yeah you have no right to leave the country. Abandoning the civilization that brought you into this world and educated you is not sustainable. I did say that, so that would be one form of force, but it's not literally Handmaiden.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:54 AM
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No I didn't, I said I would offer incentives for people to choose the desirable path. I would challenge you to show me where I advocated force. You're lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:44 AM
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How is that full? I'm not advocating any force at all. I have seen the show, I think I fucking know the difference, and so do you. You're being intentionally obtuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:39 AM
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Not full at all. I want women to get a college degree, but they should wait till they're 30 years old with two kids first. Then society should fund the college degree for free. That's fair and helps society tremendously.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:34 AM
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Thank you, but I'm butthurt, not crying. So I need toilet paper, not kleenex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:32 AM
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Brain scans should be the standard imo. Hard to confuse what parts of the brain light up on a scan once you determine a baseline arousal state.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:30 AM
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Sure I could believe 25% for sure, but surgeons work ridiculous hours and have incredible demands that make family formation problematic at best if you're a woman. But 75% aren't single, that's my point. I'm more interested in these broads that work for Facebook, Amazon, and stuff in the corporate world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:28 AM
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Clearly I am out of the loop. Sounds fascinating.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:24 AM
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Assortative mating has increased since the 1960s too. I realize some of them get left out to dry when they hit the wall, but a lot of them are shacking up with men equal or greater than themselves in their late 20's or so. I don't know precisely what percentage of top 1% earning women end up unmarried at 35-40, but I don't think it's excessively high. And some of that is by choice. But I'm open to seeing the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:22 AM
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The risk of divorce goes way down if women make less money than their husband, at all income quartiles, low, medium-low, medium-high, and high. What do you not comprehend about that fact? It's female independence theory that is the primary determinant of divorce risk. Marry a woman that doesn't make much and you win the game of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 02:17 AM
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That's a little too singularity for me. It sounds nice and all, I just don't see it happening that fast or maybe never. Robots that are super intelligent also don't need to be slaves to humans, so there's that to worry about too. I've seen Battlestar Galactica, it's not that far fetched really. I'm just a practical man looking for practical solutions.
/r/MensRights16/05/18 02:02 AM
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It isn't like life was happy before unleashed hypergamy That's objectively incorrect, women were happier relative to men and in absolute terms, at least since the 1970s era. And the 70's was not especially happy with high inflation and such either, but women were happier than they are now back in the 1970's, even standing in line for expensive gas during shortages. The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness I think only a small subset of women are really happy about 3rd wave feminism, the ones at…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:57 AM
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Women should be free to pursue any life they want. After they're about 30 years old with 2 kids and a husband, yes, I'll even vote for free education for mothers in college. But I don't want 25-40% of the male population forever alone due to hypergamy. That's not conducive to social stability and happiness. The more money women make the higher the level of male worthlessness for a large percentage of the population. So men need a head start, and women need to reproduce when they're most fertile.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:41 AM
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I created a post here 3-4 years ago that showed the study precisely. For all 4 socioeconomic categories or quartiles, women's income was the primary determining factor affecting divorce risk. Men may feel emasculated by a successful wife, but women's displeasure with carrying a weak man on her back is where the primary problem comes from. This is why the most stable society in terms of family formation and lower divorce rates is one where women are not allowed to earn money at all. You gotta max…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:35 AM
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Yes, but even poor men were more likely to hang on to a wife that's broke. You just gotta marry broke women if you're poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:28 AM
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that's actually a really good point, OP should respond.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:27 AM
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It's not really controversial, but the magnitude of the disparity is kind of illuminating. It appears Europeans are even more hypergamous than women in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:26 AM
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Try some edible indica-dominant THC with some CBD in it also perhaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:14 AM
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I ain't trying to be a buzz kill, it's an awesome car.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:10 AM
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Oh yeah, women really taking over STEM degrees aren't they? They've even tried lowering the standards for women at Oxford university to boost female participation in STEM, but it doesn't work. They've tried everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:09 AM
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I mean, if I was a woman I would do the same fucking thing. It's just the way the world works.
/r/MensRights16/05/18 01:08 AM
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Quattro? Oh god no... lol. Just kidding man, enjoy the car (and the repairs).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:06 AM
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Men are more rational and interested in abstract things like mathematics and engineering, which tends to be the stuff very advanced civilizations are built upon. Women are naturally more interested in people, so they have an important social role to play in society for sure, but it's not a dominant or very practical one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 01:04 AM
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This is where a diverge from TRP a bit, I think most women are actually biologically inclined to fall in love with their beta provider to a large extent when they reproduce with them. Maybe not if they're alpha widows though. But it's not evolutionary conducive to long term success if they didn't. A jealous rage is never a good thing, especially if there is no legal authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:41 AM
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No, they don't like stinginess at all, that's why the guy is expected to pay for dinner on a first date. It's a shit test. The size of the wedding ring is also a shit test.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:37 AM
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I mean, I don't think attraction is 100% non-rational feels, I just don't know what the calculus is precisely in general. It varies from person to person obviously. I think women are pretty good at learning to love their beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:35 AM
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I distinctly remember reading a study that the more money a woman makes relative to her husband the higher her divorce risk is. I know that's not precisely what you're arguing here, but it's worth nothing nonetheless. But you are correct that Asians are more hypergamous, but that may be because the median income in China is so low relative to western nations. So their sensitivity is dramatically higher in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:33 AM
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Even if people accept this, I don't see them changing the way the world works, they'll just be like, so what?
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 12:31 AM
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It also shows Chinese women are extremely hypergamous. How did you access the study for free?
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 12:28 AM
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If you buy new cars you're simply stupid, no matter how much money you make. Used cars are always better no matter how expensive they are.
/r/MGTOW16/05/18 12:26 AM
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It's not exclusively male agenda, but males are dominant for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:22 AM
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I don't understand why the abstract says 1000 times, it's clearly not correct. It's 4, I've heard that stated in so many different places.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:14 AM
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That would be ideal I must admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:13 AM
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I don't really know why the abstract says 1000 times when I heard 4 times elsewhere.
/r/MensRights16/05/18 12:11 AM
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Yeah, men dying by the millions in WW2 was also oppression, get your head out of the sand. Society needs both genders to follow rules otherwise there's chaos. That's how we built this amazing civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:08 AM
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I deleted the other post.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:02 AM
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No, women are just as smart as men, but only at the median or average.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/18 12:00 AM
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K well please delete the other one, not this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 11:59 PM
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How does one measure tingles, objectively?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 11:59 PM
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No, men allowed women to vote, they didn't take up arms and fight for their rights or anything like that. Then other men developed the birth control pill to set hypergamy free of the bondages of biological reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 11:58 PM
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I'd rather you delete my other post than delete this one, that one is pointless now. What is the time limit on reposting?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 11:56 PM
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yes and I explained very clearly in modmail why you're wrong, but lets not go down that road again.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 11:54 PM
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Asians are objectively smarter than whites, so that would be a mistaken impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 11:50 PM
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Dysgenics would be my primary concern there, or cultural decay at the very least, considering brown people don't give a fuck about education compared to Asians and Whites.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 11:48 PM
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I mean Christianity, the dominant religion of the civilized world. It had a civilizing effect on Western Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 11:30 PM
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If I just wanted people who disagree with me I would post on /r/thebluepill or elsewhere in Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 11:29 PM
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They select for women exposed to above average prenatal testosterone levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 11:23 PM
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If I was looking for 100% debate I wouldn't marks threads as discussion. If I wanted /r/changemyview I'd just go there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 11:19 PM
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Nobody knows why human reproductive success for men was so low during that very brief period of history. So your challenge is entirely speculative. Religion was created with rules about sex and monogamy because that is what works.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 11:16 PM
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The period of time it skyrocketed to 17 was a very short period of time relative to history. We don't know precisely what drove it so high, but it's safe to say that's not a natural level, it must have been driven by people like Ghengis Khan killing men and raping women roaming from one farming village to another with force. That's my best guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 11:11 PM
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Didn't read, I'm done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 11:02 PM
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Of course they are, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong about the trajectory here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:44 PM
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It's not even a good conspiracy theory, I'm not even arguing they're 100% cognitively aware of what they're doing (very little actually), it's just an unintended consequence of people seeking what they believe is their own self-interest. I love conspiracy theories, but this isn't one of them objectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:43 PM
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I am very close to deleting the entire thread here, mods forcing CMV on all controversial topics is very frustrating. I specifically mark things for discussion and they change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:32 PM
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I'm not even going to get into this again... nobody here cares what I have to say anyway. There's no point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:31 PM
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What are you fucking talking about? I never said all businesses and resources would ever be owned by women, they don't possess the cognitive capacities to do that, even through using Government force they could never achieve such a goal. There's a good reason why women cluster at median IQ while men's normal distribution curve is shorter and wider at both ends (stupid and genius). This is also one reason why men dominate STEM degrees that are highly G-loaded subjects to study.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:20 PM
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Objectively, there actually isn't. There are non-objective purposes in life that people create for themselves, yes, but that's about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:18 PM
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Then why do I see the words so often used?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:17 PM
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The mods hate me here, don't bother. And I don't like them very much either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:11 PM
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Carry on then. OP take notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:10 PM
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It's projection of your own social manipulation through decades of cultural modification to change men to accept a hypergamous dystopian world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:07 PM
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I'm done here. Don't bother.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:06 PM
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I didn't ask for a CMV, I wanted a discussion for this precise reason, I knew all I would get is snark and bullshit responses. YOU are responsible for once again ruining one of my threads with your ridiculous rules on forcing CMVs on controversial opinions/theories. I told you this before in mod-mail and you still don't have a proper response to my arguments. ANY theory is a positive argument, the title doesn't mean SHIT!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:03 PM
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Only very recently since Trump won and passed the tax cuts and cut regulations. For the past 20 years or so income growth has been very weak. Male median income has not risen adjusted for inflation since the 1970s, so it's high income earners driving most of the growth, not median earners.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:01 PM
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It's correlated, we just haven't become fully feminized yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:00 PM
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You people really like that word conspiracy to instantly discredit someone without dealing with their arguments directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 09:59 PM
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Very logical of you... you people are really obsessed with concepts like validation and normalization aren't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 09:57 PM
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Unfortunately it actually is, if you sharpen your INTP skills you will see I am correct. Try to see past your own limited perspective and desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 09:55 PM
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That is not in conflict with what I'm saying. The masculine men have finally realized the error of their ways, but the feminine men continue to cling to feminism and self-describe themselves as such. If only men could vote the politics of this nation would be revolutionized overnight because we are basically on the same page now, except for a minority of feminine men who are clueless faggots (present company excluded of course).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 09:48 PM
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There are always examples of high tribalism, like racism that persisted for generations in the US, because of our history with slavery and the transition to accepting equal rights. But the level of tribalism today is extremely potent compared to just 20-30 years ago, especially on the white side of the equation. The rise of the alt-right is an obvious counter-reaction to the rise of Black Lives Matter and hating on most police officers just trying to maintain order in chaotic inner city neighbor…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 09:45 PM
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Clearly there's a negative association correlated to this political movement, but it's no different than any other political process in history. I didn't read the rest of your comment because your premise is so ridiculous, hyperbolic, and a straw man argument. You lost all good faith to read further at that point. This is why I didn't want a CMV. I don't know what you mean by foreshadowed in our basic civil values. It's an inevitable result of a complex array of technological and economic innova…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 09:39 PM
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I guess I give too many fucks about the future of human civilization.
/r/TheRedPill15/05/18 09:34 PM
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There is no labor shortage. If there was really a shortage incomes would be rising, but they haven't for well over a decade (since year 2000 or so). We in fact have too many laborers, and have devalued the work men provide to the economy. Women in the labor-force devalues men's work and value to women. Yes the economy is larger with so many women working, but it's not sustainable in the long run. We've now gone through the sugar high associated with that process, and we now see the result that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 09:31 PM
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You're very welcome, enjoy.
/r/TheRedPill15/05/18 09:29 PM
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I'm not giving them credit, their natural desires are self-destructive though, to themselves and society. Their natural impulses are basically primitive, alcohol only magnifies that tendency.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 09:28 PM
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Yes, tribalism is rising, everyone knows it with any sense. Trump is part of the tribalism on one side. Kneeling at NFL games and that new movie Black Panther that fetishizes a non-white tribal world.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 09:27 PM
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It's not a conspiracy! For fuck's sake! It's people seeking their own self-interest, mainly masculine women who naturally want to engage in a man's world and always have.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 09:24 PM
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Or hiring illegals and demanding open borders.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 09:23 PM
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That's how they vote. Masculine women and feminine men tend to be feminists and liberals.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 09:22 PM
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It's extremely difficult to prove any evolutionary theory is 100% true (like female mate selection theories found here), but it's the best theory of human intelligence I've ever seen that explains the disparities in this world. It really has nothing to do with race, but people closer to the equator tend to have darker skin as an adaption to such an environment. Every 40,000-100,000 years there is an ice age that covers about half the world's land mass in a thick sheet of ice and essentially beco…
/r/TheRedPill15/05/18 04:38 PM
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Yes there is. Easy climates breed less intelligent people. We adapt to our environment.
/r/TheRedPill15/05/18 03:25 PM
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Yea, most people are not ready for the truth, like I said earlier... you don't want to know.
/r/MensRights15/05/18 03:24 PM
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Men are eventually going to roll back feminism, because it's not in the best interests of society in the long run. Women were meant to be dependent on a man, it's that simple. Women actually shouldn't be allowed to have a college degree unless they're married with 2 kids already. So they will have to shack up with someone to achieve their long term goals if education is that important to them.
/r/MensRights15/05/18 02:12 AM
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German culture expects women to be stay at home moms, so they just don't have children. There are reasons why so many women don't have babies in various places, Japan is even worse than that. Notice how they aren't talking about the number of childless men, the article isn't even interested in those stats.
/r/MensRights15/05/18 01:18 AM
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Historically it is not normal. Most of human history had simple pair bonding and women dependent on men, even low value men. That's how we built civilizations. Men have to be given a reason to be productive, so monogamy gave them that chance. You have to go back before we had agriculture to find massive numbers of men being excluded by alpha males dominating the women.
/r/MensRights15/05/18 01:16 AM
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I can say women don't have a right to education too, see how that works? I can say it's a woman's job to be a housewife, and that's how most of human history persisted. Nobody really gave a fuck until we had the birth control pill. Rights are just shit we made up to make people's lives better, but if they're not getting better for so many people, then things change.
/r/MensRights15/05/18 01:14 AM
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You're a woman so you really don't want to know. I don't hate women, I love them, I love people in general. But it's not normal to have 25-35% (who knows when the rate of foreveralone stops increasing) of men as forever alone due to women's hypergamous tendencies. Men are hypergamous too in their own way, chasing pretty girls, but men are too horny to be too picky (by biological design). I love freedom, but that is an artificial creation of our genius as a species, we were not born into freedom.…
/r/MensRights14/05/18 07:09 PM
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Big brother has been here already, they're just under the radar about how they go about spreading propaganda to the people. The proposed 40 percent childless tax would see me on the next bus to Canada. The taxes are already about 40% in Canada for most people, LOL! You're not very smart are you? I won't allow you to leave anyway. You won't be able to even transfer money to a Canadian bank. You won't be able to cross the border without getting blown up by a land mine either. I don't advise it. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 01:17 PM
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That's why the childless are going to pay a tax, so money can be redistributed to families. And single mothers will not be subsidized to reproduce and place children in poverty. 70% of black women reproduce outside of marriage, it's very obvious why American child poverty is so bad. It's stupid people making stupid decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 01:15 PM
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We can recycle materials very easily, it just requires the will. They're also preparing to mine valuable metals from asteroids in the near future. We're not going to die from overpopulation, the only people going to die someday is people in Africa because they can't build a sustainable civilization to support their very high reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 01:13 PM
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That's why people are not sustaining it, any society that embraces feminism is not great, it deserves to die actually. Feminism is the final shit test on the West by women, and it should die according to these women. Millions of poor people with low IQs want to to come to America and partake in our society because they can't build a decent society where they come from.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 01:08 PM
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Only in Mexico and South America, not North America. And they all collapsed, many on their own, such as the Mayans in Mexico.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 01:02 PM
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No, walking across the border when you know there's land mines everywhere is a choice, it's basically suicide. There will be warning signs all over telling people in multiple languages to not enter the zone with land mines at the border. But everyone will know anyway. The planet will not be Venus 2.0. Eventually electric cars like Tesla will be the standard and we will generate electricity through fusion and other clean methods (even clean nuclear is possible). Economically/culturally, populatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 01:01 PM
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Very few, almost non-existent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 12:54 PM
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You won't be allowed to transfer money outside the country. So even if you somehow illegally crossed the border and jumped over a wall that will be 20 feet tall and has land mines all around it that could potentially kill you instantly, you wouldn't have any money to survive in another country and start a new life. You won't even be able to get a visa to get on an airplane to visit France or Canada unless you have a business related reason that can be proven for traveling there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 12:52 PM
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A few centuries isn't that much time in the grand scheme of things. Native Americans never build a real civilization, that's how we easily took over this country. There were no permanent structures in North America prior to Europeans arriving. Even the once great Mayan civilization collapsed in Mexico, now it's just a bunch of people wishing to desperately and illegally cross a border to mow someone's lawn. Sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 12:47 PM
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Not all of them are, but it's very common among career women in particular, because they fixate on building a career during their prime reproductive years.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 12:46 PM
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No, if I was a nazi I would sterilize them to prevent them from reproducing and infecting future generations with their genetic/cultural defections. I'm not even close to being that big of an asshole. But frankly, I think it's highly ignorant and abusive that lesbians impregnate themselves with artificial insemination. But you know what, at least someone is reproducing, so I can't complain too much. But to answer your question precisely, they will pay the childless tax their entire lives just li…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 12:43 PM
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Sure it's possible via propaganda. It's how feminism got started, Hollywood was a big part of that effort to move the culture, and they're still influencing us to a large degree. Frankly, they should be shut down for treason against the people of the United States.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 12:38 PM
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Whatever man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 11:45 AM
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Half the world already enforces it to a large extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 11:34 AM
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It's inevitable, there's a good reason why democracy is rare and short lived throughout human history. The Romans tried it for a while, but eventually it always comes back to dictatorship. You're ignorant if you think the status quo is fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 11:25 AM
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Oh yes, feminism has lots of unintended consequences that trouble me greatly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 11:15 AM
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You're wrong, there's nothing sadder than a great civilization that voluntarily accepts collapse, like the ancient Mayans and many before them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 11:15 AM
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Conditions have never been more favorable in developed nations... lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 11:14 AM
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If feminism doesn't change then human beings will simply go extinct in the distant future. Something has to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 11:13 AM
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And that's why you won't have a right to vote much longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/18 11:12 AM
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Change men's capacity to provide relative to women, that's the solution. Now you know.
/r/MensRights14/05/18 09:26 AM
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It's hilarious you categorize my view as naive when it's the only mathematical way to sustain the human population and civilization in the long run. Outsourcing reproducing to poor and desperate countries and cultures in the rest of the world isn't a solution, it's outsourcing the problem and refusing to face it. Eventually the entire world will have sub-replacement level birth rates and eventually the human race will just cease to exist, as each new generation will about approximately 65% the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 06:38 PM
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That's what happened for most of human history in Western nations, women were largely dependent on men, even lower value men had worth. Now they don't have worth, so I would like to fix that disparity that has grown unreasonably large that makes millions of men hopeless. There are lots of potential solutions. Childless women and men who have careers will be encouraged to marry anyone they can find to avoid the childless tax. Those that don't can help fund social welfare programs designed to help…
/r/MensRights13/05/18 05:29 PM
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You're on the right path my friend, but we need more men in college so they can help support a family.
/r/MensRights13/05/18 04:58 PM
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No birth control pills will be a strong disincentive, and no welfare for getting pregnant outside of marriage will be a further disincentive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 04:45 PM
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It's not that crazy, the way we live now is crazy. That's why my post is stickied at the top of /r/mensrights, while nobody cares what you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 04:17 PM
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It's not going to be me that does any of this, men as a whole will realize it must be done to preserve civilization eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 04:08 PM
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No not at all, single mothers will not be eligible for any form of welfare. Their only choice is abortion or adoption.
/r/MensRights13/05/18 03:54 PM
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If I have to I will rank people by IQ and give them redistribution as needed to encourage positive IQ growth. There's nothing you can say there isn't a solution to, just the lack of will exists to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 03:53 PM
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Divorce should not be allowed except in the case of abuse. They must marry and have kids to stop paying the high childless tax.
/r/MensRights13/05/18 03:45 PM
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Countries like America aren't overpopulated. China, India, and Africa may be overpopulated but we are fine. We just need to learn to conserve resources and recycle. We need young people to fund the retirement of the old.
/r/MensRights13/05/18 03:43 PM
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They won't get the money to a large extent. This will largely be a redistribution to the married middle class from the rich childless class. The stupid and poor don't get married, being married is the first requirement to benefit from the new programs available to young families.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 03:02 PM
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Single mothers in the ghetto will not be eligible for extra welfare benefits, they will have to agree to have their tubes tied before they can receive any welfare for their first child out of wedlock. Low value reproduction will not be subsidized.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:58 PM
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Trump is the first major politician who would probably agree with a fair chunk of what the alt-right believes in, if he was being perfectly honest, which he can't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:55 PM
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Men and women have the shared obligation equally, if they do not reproduce, they will be punished via high taxes. And Norway already has a 40-50% income tax.
/r/MensRights13/05/18 02:54 PM
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I'd rather die than have my country literally become like Mexico. We're going to force people to reproduce, that is what I am talking about doing here... are you not paying attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:52 PM
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It's not natural to negate your biological drive to reproduce, it's inherent to every living organism on this planet, except feminists. They will soon die and be replaced by people and cultures that are non-feminist and still reproduce. Their death is a mathematical certainty. The birth rate in San Francisco for example is so low each new generation is only about 65% of the size of the last one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:51 PM
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There's gonna be a wall soon to prevent Mexicans getting in. And I would have massive numbers of drones and other technologies to create an invisible wall that cannot be penetrated. If I have to, I will simply mine the border and people will blow themselves up by stepping on a land mine. You will die crossing the border.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:46 PM
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There's nothing natural about taking birth control pills and never reproducing in your lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:45 PM
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Nobody can flee like that, they can't even get their assets out of the country. The banks won't wire their money outside the country. They pay the tax at 35! No more of this bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:34 PM
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Iran went back very quickly when the religious nuts took over the country. It can happen much easier than people are comfortable with realizing under the right set of circumstances and conditions. People used to think Donald Trump running for President was a joke and impossible, now they're all idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:32 PM
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That can be arranged.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:21 PM
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Korea is poor with low technology, they can't do shit. I won't tax them if they have kids before age 34 or so, they will know what is about to happen to them well in advance of it happening. It won't be a surprise. Fertility declines rapidly after 35, so they won't be able to have kids anyway when they start paying the 50% childless tax.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:04 PM
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So... you're telling me it's time. LOL! ^_^
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:02 PM
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The borders will be strictly controlled, there will be no walking across an invisible line, that line will have drones and other technologies such as seismic/motion detectors to see you trying to escape miles before the border, then a helicopter will swoop down on your ass and throw you in jail. You can't escape modern technology and the will to prevent people from leaving a place. Furthermore, Canada would be under severe economic penalties if they help destroy our country.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:54 PM
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They won't be allowed to get their monetary assets out of the country or even get a Visa approved unless they have a job that requires them to travel. It's amazing what technology allows the modern state to accomplish. You don't have the freedom to even leave unless we allow it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:36 PM
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You're not even making sense man, but I don't care to decipher your bullshit. Childless people have to subsidize parents and children, it's that simple. I don't care what happens to them beyond them paying.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:27 PM
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If they don't have children they can live in a gutter for all I care, those people either produce wealth for the rest of society to consume or they can go commit suicide, either way I don't care. There's no reason for a childless woman not to be working and paying the 50% tax, along with her husband too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:19 PM
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Nah the men will mostly agree with me, it will be women who disagree, but they are not fighters.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:17 PM
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Seems fine to me.
/r/MensRights13/05/18 12:16 PM
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The number is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:16 PM
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No I wouldn't. Most of the men would agree with me, that's why I'd be in power in the first place. And women would not have a right to vote most likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:15 PM
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Why do people have a duty to pay taxes? It just my friend, we all have to contribute to society to carry on with opportunity we've all been given to be alive in this wonderful era of peace, health, and technology. Everyone needs to reproduce to pay society back for raising them and educating them.
/r/MensRights13/05/18 12:15 PM
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No the birth rate should be stable, neither increase or decreasing, but it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:13 PM
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If that's the case it's a requirement to fuck your husband, that's why it says obey your husband in the bible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:12 PM
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Easier, but doesn't solve the eventual human extinction mathematical conundrum. Immigration is not a sustainable policy, it's not a solution to the root problem of feminism causing people in all countries to reject reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:10 PM
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Yeah they have to or population eventually reaches zero. Just because it's beyond your lifetime in real consequence doesn't make it not a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:07 PM
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Women would still work by choice if they wish, but they pay the 50% childless tax if they don't reproduce by age 34.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:06 PM
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People are pragmatic in general, but they don't have much foresight.
/r/MensRights13/05/18 04:25 AM
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Very special, lol.
/r/MensRights13/05/18 04:24 AM
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I wish more sensible people like you existed in this world. We just want a fair society where everyone has a decent shot at happiness.
/r/MensRights13/05/18 03:49 AM
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You're not suppose to have sex before marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 03:22 AM
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Not nearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 03:21 AM
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Not true, Israel has a very healthy birth rate and prosperity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 03:21 AM
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No, but their total tax rate needs to be about 50% if childless on income over $50,000.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:28 AM
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For sure, that's why we're building a wall.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/18 02:28 AM
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Because we had a positive birth rate not too long ago. Not asking for much here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:21 AM
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The blue collar people aren't the useless eaters, some of these people make a decent income capable of supporting a family easily without welfare. It's amazing, but when reproduction goes up it creates aggregate demand for goods and services that create more jobs. The Toys R Us is going out of business in a nice neighborhood near my home. That's just fucking sad to see.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/18 02:19 AM
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Yeah, then she inadvertently collapsed western civilization though. You can't have birth control and abortions just for black people. White people want the same thing, and now we have a collapsing population as a direct result of her efforts.
/r/TheRedPill13/05/18 02:13 AM
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I didn't just predict it, I made thousands of dollars by putting my money where my mouth is and betting on the outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:07 AM
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Sure you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 02:05 AM
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They have to because other people's kids will inevitably have to subsidize their retirement costs, which are typically very large because people live longer and longer. The child tax writeoffs are entirely insufficient for families.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:46 AM
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yes they will, economic necessities alone will warrant a need to increase the birth rate eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:37 AM
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You're the one who is nuts. You're a willing participant in the collapse of a great civilization in slow motion.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:36 AM
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You can call it whatever you want, I'm not advocating for absolute democracy here anyway. I'm advocating for men-only democracy or dictatorship like China. Either one is fine, I don't care as long as they re-establish order and get the birth rate back to 2.1. Whatever is required is what should and will be done eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:34 AM
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Of course they can own a house, but unless you make over $100,000 a year, at a 50% tax rate, it might be difficult (depending on the cost of your housing market in your city). If they are married it's easier, but two childless incomes will only equal one after a 50% tax.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:31 AM
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Nope, eventually people will see things my way, I'm just waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:30 AM
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It's called financial repression and capital controls. You won't be able to get your money out of the country. You may not even get a visa unless you have a business related reason to leave the fucking country man. This has happened before in other societies. It's not impossible at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:29 AM
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Yeah because their choice is a humongous burden on society in the long run. If they don't have kids who pay for their social security and medicare costs in retirement, who pays? Oh that's right, the kids of other families who bore the cost and time necessary to do what they were too lazy or selfish to do themselves. Give me a break, nobody is going to have any sympathy for these childless people eventually. They're the easy money to grab at, so their entire retirement funds in 401ks may actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:28 AM
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Nah I'm just gonna wait for the rest of society to catch up to my realization of the unsustainability of our current societal trajectory. When people realize they can't pay for the baby boomer's retirement costs, the people will demand a change be made. We have massive unfunded liabilities that we haven't even tried to borrow money for yet. Problem is we're already in massive debt to begin with, so borrowing more won't solve anything eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:22 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:21 AM
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I'm not talking about subsidizing the lower class to reproduce at all here. I don't know where you got that impression, but it's not happening beyond the 1st kid at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:20 AM
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They pay the 50% childless tax and live in an apartment or have a roommate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:20 AM
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I have taken courses in political science and economics. The childless tax is a great idea to lower taxes on the middle class with kids. The only problem with the child tax credit is that it's not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:19 AM
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If we went back to men only having the right to vote (as intended by the founding fathers at the birth of our republic), a lot of this shit would solve itself in short order. Men create order, women just created chaos with their rights. You won't necessarily have a right to leave either. I would allow some protest and such, opposition would fail though fairly quickly. If you refuse to pay the childless tax, you would be taken to court and possibly lose your possessions like your house. You can't…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:17 AM
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Ok well, you have to recognize that's a minority viewpoint. It's rare.
/r/MensRights13/05/18 01:13 AM
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Sure, thanks.
/r/MensRights13/05/18 01:12 AM
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Enjoy the voting rights now, because unless society finds a way to stabilize the birth rate at replacement level you won't have rights much longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 01:11 AM
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You don't know a god damn thing man. I've seen your nonsensical posts here over and over, you're clueless. At the very least the childless tax is coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:38 AM
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The Republicans won't even pass a wall, they're not about to pass her plan, that much is obvious. That's why there's no movement on that or Trump's infrastructure plan. Clearly Republicans in congress are a problem, but that doesn't change the fact it's what they want to do. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trump-plan-will-help-working-mothers-1473803187
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:35 AM
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They exist, I watched them, I'm just not going to be baited into doing your homework for you though. She did at least one major interview with CNN or another major network where she talks about her child plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:28 AM
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First of all, all you really need is the big childless tax to accomplish most of what needs to get done. Even liberals like those at Slate are on board with this in theory, but they would just give that all to poor people to subsidize hoodrats to have more kids who won't grow up to go to college anyway. Basically, a horrible investment in a financial sense. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/03/tax_credits_and_children_parents_should_pay_lower_taxes_and_childless_peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:25 AM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:24 AM
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You're not worth my time anyway. I have no desire or need to prove myself to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:22 AM
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It always does, but humans are typically very similar in their desires and needs.
/r/MensRights13/05/18 12:19 AM
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I didn't suggest it had become law yet, but they're talking about it at a high level, at least among the Trump family. She spoke about it in speeches during the election too. Look up her speeches to several groups of women. Her interviews with the media too. The elites know we need to incentivize reproduction, they just don't know how or agree enough how to go about it. The only fair way to do it is to tax childless people (men and women) who make above median wages much more than we do now. Som…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:16 AM
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She was, look it up. She recommended it should be done, that's one reason the conservatives don't like her. I remember reading the bullshit about her in /r/conservative, so you're wrong, as usual.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:08 AM
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TL;DR again. You have a way with creating way more words than is necessary to make a point. All they have to do is create the childless tax on men and women and they could incentivize reproduction just enough to hit 2.1 children per woman. It's not that hard to marginally increase the birth rate among the middle class.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/18 12:07 AM
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Yes he does, that's why his daughter is pushing paid time off for working mothers. He's also talking about men needing to go to trade schools. This is all about reproduction in the long run. It's just not openly discussed. Even policy makers in Norway are worried about the long term low birth rate and the consequences for the welfare state.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 11:50 PM
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It is what it is, democracy is fragile in the long run, history shows this time and time again. The founding fathers did not intend for everyone to vote when they created this country, and it will either revert back to that or the the entire thing will be done and then we'll have a Government like China. I really hope not, but I see it happening one way or the other. When shit gets really bad people will demand solutions, fast. Via the President declaring martial law probably. That's actually co…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 11:40 PM
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Not if I am redistributing enough wealth to married couples and incentivizing them to have 3-4 kids. The people in Utah already do this willingly, but they have a unique culture that promotes that lifestyle. I actually don't want to subsidize the reproduction of the lower class. That produces more people with lower cognitive capacities who are unable to go to college to a large extent. That just makes it harder in the long run to achieve what we need. Men if given the sole right to vote will pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 11:33 PM
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That's what people said when Donald Trump ran for President. Now they look like idiots, all of them. I predicted he would win over a year before he won. My political predictions have a funny way of happening. I am as sure about most of this as I am about him beating Hillary Clinton.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 11:30 PM
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Before your life is over I guarantee you someone like Donald Trump rises on a political stage and starts talking about at least some of the shit I just got through talking about. Maybe with less extreme language, but it's basically the same thing. Watch for it, it's coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 11:27 PM
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If my system was in place women would demand a man much more than they do now, so maybe wouldn't be shunned if you just complied with the new system and did what a man was suppose to do. Women won't have the right to vote forever imho, the day of reckoning is coming. If only men had the right to vote the Democrat party wouldn't even exist in a coherent form that could challenge anything the Christian right wing wanted to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 11:26 PM
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TL;DR
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 11:23 PM
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Then you get to pay the 50% childless tax and be shunned by women for being a selfish oaf.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 11:23 PM
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Severe financial consequences for career women and men who remain childless past 30 is required for multiple reasons, funding is just one of them. I honestly don't give a damn if childless people have to live with a roommate until they're 40 years old (or the rest of their pointless lives). They're worthless people to the long term sustainability of society. They will be squeezed as hard as we need to in order to achieve the goals we need and give working mothers free college education and child…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 11:21 PM
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You don't have to be married at 18-21, especially if you're a man. It won't be up to you though, you will be forced into compliance with a lifestyle that results in sustainable growth and stability. The time of boys being boys until they turn 30 years old is almost over. Boys need to grow up to be men who accept responsibility. Corporal punishment will be primarily targeted at young men that aren't cooperating with the expectations society has for their long term development and success. China a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 11:18 PM
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I am leaving abortion as legal for a good damn reason. It's a choice. There's always choices, multiple choices. Keep making bad choices and consequences are met in increasing severity, that's just life. People have had to face that reality for millions of years.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 11:06 PM
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The only reason people voted for Trump is because of the long term decline. Wake the fuck up man. We're already staring down at the idiocracy that's been going on for decades, and it's gonna get worse and worse as time goes on. We have unfunded liabilities we cannot pay for, like the medicare and social security for baby boomers who want to retire at 65 and state workers who have been promised pensions that cannot be paid for either. You have no idea what's about to happen to this world in the n…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 11:01 PM
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You may be able to go to college if you agree to pay the 50% tax when you graduate. Eventually all women get to go to college for free if they just have 2 kids or so. Even paid childcare is possible, but you and people like you will fund that, not families struggling to pay the rent. Every career woman/man without kids over the age of 30 will pay the 50% childless tax.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:59 PM
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No it's not good. Men's median incomes have not risen adjusted for inflation since the 1970s. The white male middle-age suicide rate has skyrocketed to astronomical proportions. Our long term financial liabilities to fund the retirement of the baby boomers are a debt expense we haven't been asked to pay or fund yet. We're all living on borrowed time. The day is coming soon when reality comes crashing down on our corrupt and hedonistic lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:58 PM
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Did you pull that figure out of your butt? Where's your peer reviewed research that 20% of parents are garbage? Even if parents aren't great, discipline will exist at school, so we will teach young men and women how to act properly even if their parents suck. But you're ignoring my point, I'm not forcing you to do anything you don't want to do with your body, I'm just creating incentives and disincentives for people. If you think it's oppressive to pay 50% of your income for neglecting your duty…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:56 PM
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Also it's not without consent, it's to acquire welfare payments.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:53 PM
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In my opinion the alternative is societal suicide, so eventually there won't be any people left on Earth to care about concepts like liberty. If the entire world embraced feminism tomorrow and followed our lifestyle eventually the human race would just cease to exist via natural population declines.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:52 PM
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Most people don't possess your convictions and lack of fear of death. If women don't want to have children nobody is forcing them, but they will have to pay a heavy childless tax of 40-50% to fund the reproduction of others. So it won't be a lucrative lifestyle you're acquiring for yourself via extreme selfishness and hedonistic desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:46 PM
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Not sterilization, not permanent anyway. It is totalitarian, either that, or only men will be able to vote. It's possible men will agree collectively via democracy this should be done when society declines to a lower level.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:44 PM
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Under the predictable circumstances of economic crisis that is coming. The financial crisis of 2008 was just a prelude to the big storm, and they won't be able to print enough money to put the storm back in the bottle.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:42 PM
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You lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:41 PM
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Population collapse has long term economic consequences, especially for funding the retirement of the elderly. I have no idea what China intends to do with all their elderly in 30 years or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:39 PM
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No, it's a sign that the collapse is gaining steam, but we're not quite there yet. If you think Trump is bad, you haven't seen anything yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:39 PM
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Theoretically if I was ever in charge, but I won't be, someone else will be doing that. I just said I without clarifying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:37 PM
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If it continues to decline someone worse than Trump will eventual rise and actually take this thing over in a real tyranny. People won't tolerate long term decline forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:36 PM
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It's not, it's just enforced gender roles basically with consequences for non-compliance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:35 PM
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I have no desire to explain it to you in the detail required.
/r/TheRedPill12/05/18 10:34 PM
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They will do plenty.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:33 PM
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Without child support or free college, yeah. But you pay 40-50% of your future income as punishment. Anyone who sucks at parenting will be under the microscope too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:32 PM
1

I'm really nice actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:32 PM
1

China actually hasn't figured it out yet. They're going to allow their population to collapse just like Japan is doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:31 PM
1

Eventually a tyrannical leader will rise offering solutions, then democracy will be done, just like in China. I'm not gonna do shit, but these polices are the only ones that can create order.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:30 PM
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Anything is possible in this world.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:29 PM
1

It's a predictable consequence of erroneous policies causing long term decline in society that will precipitate a political response.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:29 PM
1

I'm not gonna do shit personally, I'm going to just wait for the collapse scenario to take place, then a leader will naturally rise that has actual solutions to fix the world in decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 10:27 PM
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I honestly don't give a fuck man, since nobody believes this shit anymore anyway. You've got a lot of excuses why this shouldn't be done. It will eventually get done whether people like it or not because people will not tolerate a managed decline forever in society. All this business about making america great again is just a symptom of a underlying cause, we all know it's going down the tubes. And nothing they're doing now will fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:35 PM
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In some ways it's like rewinding the clock, because more young women will be excluded from college compared to men. Corporal punishment is also rewinding the clock. No-fault divorce and birth control used to be illegal as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:33 PM
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Almost nobody alive remembers this shit or voted for it.
/r/TheRedPill12/05/18 09:27 PM
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The threat of force, like all Government regulations and laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:26 PM
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There are only so many college slots available in this world. What they're able to learn and who is learning it has an effect on future income generation capacity. Women with medical degrees are some of the least likely to reproduce because of the extreme time to get educated and the massive incomes associated with such a high profile job. No men are good enough or they're all taken by the time they're 32 or so.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 09:25 PM
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I understood it fine, it's a bit extreme, I think I can accomplish the same goals without all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:22 PM
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I don't really give a damn how the world was 50 years ago, I'd have whatever system was required to get the job done. If people don't believe sex before marriage is a sin anymore because they don't believe in God, they'll learn to fear the Government instead of God. The Chinese have the correct system actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:21 PM
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Women never had full access to education until about 50 years ago. I still want women to get educated, but not at the cost of their fertility window. A 2.1 birth rate isn't a positive growth rate, it's only the level of reproduction required to sustain a population in the long run and avoid the average age increasing. A birth rate below 2.1 implies the long term trajectory of a population is to zero. This is unacceptable economically or morally. I am in favor of the maximum amount of liberty tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:19 PM
1

I'm serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/18 09:11 PM
2

I could solve it, but some people wouldn't like my solutions. In the end I think the majority of people would be happier though. People aren't going to be happy when the next financial crisis hits.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 08:36 PM
1

Rolling back the welfare state is a partial solution for sure, but women who are determined to be whores in their 20's need lots of birth control pills to accomplish that goal. If I have to I will dump fake pills on the black market as well. Maybe 5 fakes in a bottle of 60. It won't be zero risk taking black market pills, even if they can find a supplier. The middle-upper class women won't have access to the scoundrels that will be looking to sell such pill. If I have to, I'll start executing th…
/r/TheRedPill12/05/18 08:31 PM
3

Then maybe first thing is to ban gender studies.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 08:25 PM
2

I don't think extinction is a solution. It's a very difficult problem with no good choices.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 08:25 PM
2

That's fine as well, but men need a capacity to provide, so more men belong college than women.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 08:03 PM
5

We're not the ones checking out, society is telling us we're worthless. Even when the suicide rate is skyrocketing for white middle-age males, nobody cares. If it were women skyrocketing in suicide everyone would be talking about it on the news and looking for solutions and wearing ribbons in solidarity. Intentional MGTOWs are a very small group of men.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 07:33 PM
2

Re-create the conditions that made women dependent on men, by removing the birth control pill and making colleges 60% men instead of 60% women.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 07:31 PM
2

Yes, but what is the solution to this problem?
/r/MensRights12/05/18 07:30 PM
2

For these men in their 40's yes, but for men in their early 20's there's hope, if you did what was necessary to re-establish order and balance in this world. It's a difficult choice, but it's the only one that works. It worked great for thousands of years. The proven success of the system is not in question.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 05:07 PM
-2

Studies also indicate that conservative Americans have more than enough children to sustain a population, it's just liberals who don't comply. Muslims still reproduce very rapidly in places like Great Britain, that is very urbanized. So it's the poverty that's the primary component of limiting births of Muslims in urban areas. Absent the welfare state that subsidizes their reproduction, there is no alternative. But if you subsidize it, they will keep doing it even in urban environments.
/r/TheRedPill12/05/18 05:05 PM
8

I do find the opinions of gay men fascinating on this issue. How is it sustainable to have 60% of college graduates be women? But all these women want an educated man? The math doesn't add up. It's painfully obvious that society is turned upside down and nobody cares.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 04:53 PM
2

Some Johns yes, but those Johns are typically not the sexless kind who never had a woman want to touch them of their own free will. They're just horny bastards who want to fuck more. Of course you can't lie to yourself.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 04:50 PM
2

Yes exactly. Legalizing the birth control pill was the final shit test by women which made it painfully obvious that our culture deserves to die a slow and painful death devoid of meaning and value.
/r/TheRedPill12/05/18 04:47 PM
1

I have the same worries, but those people you are worried about are having kids regardless, and the rest are using abortion quite effectively. Keep abortion legal and you continue to keep that population in check. Ban the birth control pill and you re-establish control over the population that wants more independence than is good for society.
/r/TheRedPill12/05/18 04:44 PM
1

Abortion is fine, birth control is not fine.
/r/TheRedPill12/05/18 04:43 PM
2

Asians are in an even deeper level of population collapse after adopting our way of life. There are two pathways forward, population/economic collapse (Japan, China, etc) or cultural replacement by Muslims, Hispanics, and others who do not share Western culture's decadent lifestyle and still reproduce (US and Western Europe). They are two roads, but both have the same destination which is destruction and economic/social collapse. That's why they want to build a wall.
/r/TheRedPill12/05/18 04:38 PM
1

I know more about the TRP than you will ever know in your entire lifetime. People think dread game is also abusive. People think lots of shit that is bullshit. I am not angry at all my friend, I'm just stating facts. You don't have to be a beta pussy when you say she can't hang out with male friends. The way you approach that conversation says more about you than the actual conversation. Women are like children, in that they should be guided by men. A woman has no need for the friendship of anot…
/r/askTRP12/05/18 04:29 PM
1

Having sex with women throughout the week is a normal biological function. Beating the meat 3 times a week isn't. It shouldn't be limited to once a week, unless you feel you need additional motivation to lift and achieve greatness.
/r/askTRP12/05/18 04:25 PM
-2

You can have abortion still be legal and also ban the birth control pill (again). That's what I would do immediately if given the authority to do so.
/r/TheRedPill12/05/18 04:18 PM
9

Married men are usually oblivious to the fact that women love money so much. If they weren't, then married men everywhere would be heartbroken. But they're not for the most part. It's in our nature to partly ignore the financial component that makes men so attractive to women (women are in denial too). Denial is a powerful capacity that humans possess. When men and women live together there is a natural bond that forms regardless, it's a biological construct, and it simply doesn't exist between …
/r/MensRights12/05/18 04:16 PM
2

Minus those idiots of course, but that was a minority of the public that participated in that outrageous display of disorder. Maybe you have to go back to 1955-1960, somewhere in there. Leave It To Beaver was produced from 1957-1963.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 03:56 PM
3

Yes he should. It's a good thing we have digital forms of recording, so his wisdom will be preserved for future generations of men.
/r/TheRedPill12/05/18 03:05 PM
2

3% of women are lesbian, so that's only 1.5%. Not very substantial. And before being gay was 100% socially accepted they had to get married to a man to meet social expectations (and reproduce too). Women in general have sexuality that is more fluid, so there are more bi-sexual women than men, naturally.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 02:57 PM
1

The perfect society was America circa 1960-1970 (minus the racism of course).
/r/MensRights12/05/18 02:56 PM
4

Thank you very much! It warms my heart to bring illumination to men wandering in the darkness of the modern world. They invariably assume there is something wrong with them, but there's nothing wrong with men in general, the world around them has just radically changed in a very short period of time. Stay strong and practice stoicism my friend!
/r/MensRights12/05/18 02:49 PM
1

Probably not.
/r/askTRP12/05/18 02:45 PM
4

As I said, they're biologically worthless to society. In a genetic sense they're dead already.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 04:51 AM
2

30% of 3%? So 1% of the female population that's in a lesbian relationship have kids. Pretty inconsequential, like I said...
/r/MensRights12/05/18 04:49 AM
1

Disallowing divorce does the same thing, and doesn't prevent families from having 3+ children (which is necessary because some people are infertile). Men also need restrictions/punishments too, like abandoning a family. You need 2.1 children per women to sustain a population. Your solution would probably reduce the birth rate more than decrease it. A lot of the women will simply end up childless instead as well, because you did so many forced vasectomies.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 04:46 AM
2

You can ignore all that by simply looking at the net increases, +9% men vs +3% women. I think most of your concerns are pretty minimal overall. About 3% of the population is gay, and most of them don't reproduce anyway, male or female.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 03:56 AM
2

People project falsehoods on social media, so it's not even a good ruler for comparisons with other people. Nobody gets on social media and says how shitty their life is and how they hate everything about their life. No, they get on there to virtue signal to others and lie about how great it is and how awesome they are. If you are constantly improving you don't need to compare yourself to others. The results will ultimately speak for themselves. You have to adopt a "I don't give a fuck" attitude…
/r/askTRP12/05/18 03:22 AM
1

I wouldn't give a fuck if it ended though, she either stops or she doesn't, it's that simple. Chicks do not need guy friends. Those that do are usually a problem anyway.
/r/askTRP12/05/18 02:51 AM
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If you're not having sex regularly I would beat it once a week, but no more. T levels do rise for the first week of no beating, but then drop off back to baseline. That's what I've read anyway. So you might as well release the pressure once a week imo. I know the nofappers will argue otherwise, but they're kind of extreme.
/r/askTRP12/05/18 02:43 AM
3

We don't need Islam, we just need to make the birth control pill illegal, and maybe force colleges to give at least half their slots to men. You stop being angry by just accepting shit, it just is what it is man. It can always be worse, what if you ended up believing the same shit your entire life like others have? You're 25, a lot of people would kill to be 25 again and know what you know now. You're here complaining like a beta bitch, when you should be extremely overjoyed at all the opportuni…
/r/askTRP12/05/18 02:38 AM
1

What did she do?
/r/askTRP12/05/18 02:33 AM
0

You should be the only male friend she needs. I would just tell her straight up that you think both of you should not do this anymore. If she's not cool with that, then she's not worth dating anyway.
/r/askTRP12/05/18 02:31 AM
3

Just take responsibility for yourself. Treat yourself like you're a person that's worth taking care of. Stay on a regular schedule, including exercise 5-7 times a week too. People that are disorderly need to create order in their lives. Keep your living area clean at all times, never allow disorder to creep into your life. Keep your car clean inside and out, when you get a new one that is. Stand up straight at all times, with your shoulders back and chin up. Project positivity and strength to th…
/r/askTRP12/05/18 02:27 AM
3

If you look up Jordan Peterson on youtube and read his book he can easily become your surrogate father.
/r/TheRedPill12/05/18 02:20 AM
1

This woman speaks about what's wrong with this world. She knows the modern world is actually hurting women more than helping them.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 12:31 AM
1

Biologically speaking if women are not reproducing at 2.1 children per woman they have failed the human race. I'm not saying they're 100% breeding machines, it's just their primary function, and it's in failure.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 12:27 AM
1

Not me, as I said, men in general hold the ultimate power in society, violently if necessary, but that shouldn't be required. The threat of violence is sufficient, that's how the Government maintains order. I treat women as equals, but recognize their primary function is to reproduce, just as men's primary function is to be a good provider and husband/dad.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 12:17 AM
1

I'm not saying I have that power, men do collectively though. You think women can start an armed rebellion and oppose them? Everything women have is because men have let them have it.
/r/MensRights12/05/18 12:02 AM
1

Clearest case of the Dunning-Kruger effect I've seen in a while...
/r/MensRights11/05/18 11:51 PM
2

I haven't written nearly enough information to give you any inference. We're done here, goodbye.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 11:38 PM
1

Alright well nice talking to you.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 11:37 PM
11

I'm not bitter or an asshole at all. I'm 6 foot 1, fairly tall, I weigh about 195 pounds. I'm not even asking for any benefit for myself here, I am just concerned about other people mainly. Many married men would agree with me here. Having 25% of the men being obsolete in society means society is deeply sick and dysfunctional. This is not normal...
/r/MensRights11/05/18 11:36 PM
3

You assume I have a superficial knowledge of history, you're mistaken. I probably know more than you do. I love history. There's a good reason why feminists are not strongly opposed to Muslim immigration into Western nations, even though the men are the basically the worst possible men and least compatible with their way of life in the entire world. It's really hilarious and incredibly informative.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 11:17 PM
3

Yes, it's a fascinating window into the mind of a single woman who mistakenly thinks she's intelligent just because she has an good education. This woman is not stupid, she's just not nearly as smart as she thinks, and it's negatively affecting her judgment and artificially creating high standards for men they will never meet to satisfy her desires.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 11:12 PM
3

Society doesn't owe women a right to vote, college education, birth control pills, or anything else men have created for them to benefit from. All of that can be taken away, but I don't really want to take it away. I don't want to create a Western form of Islam that treats women like dogs at all, but there has to be some balance between extreme Islamic sexism and today's total chaos of zero gender norms and 60% of college students being women. This is simply not mathematically sustainable.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 11:06 PM
2

You didn't watch mine at all, why should I watch yours?
/r/MensRights11/05/18 10:57 PM
5

Not at all, divorce should only be legal if there is provable abuse though.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 10:52 PM
2

I want the maximum level of freedom with the minimum level of social rules that inhibit free choice in life, but freedom and duties have to be re-balanced after becoming severely imbalanced since the 1970's. I am the only one with a solution, no one else has one, and no one else will find one. Women's happiness has actually declined since the 1970's, relative to men and in absolute terms, so this isn't about just helping men, it's restoring order to our world and helping men and women achieve li…
/r/MensRights11/05/18 10:51 PM
3

What never happened? Men never voted to grant women the right to vote with a constitutional amendment about 100 years ago? That's history my friend, look it up. Every right we have was created by the mind of a man, and can be taken away just as easily with the stroke of a pen.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 10:31 PM
1

It is, because women get old then they find they're running up against a window like this educated woman who can't find a suitable mate before she's too old to have kids. Perhaps not every woman would be happy, but the overwhelming majority would be happy, just as women were happier back in the 1970's compared to today and the excessively high cost of living associated with having a family.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 10:28 PM
3

Correlation is usually a good sign of causation, unless you can find other potential causes. If you can't find an alternative theory, it's a good bet. Men's median income has been flat since the 1970's, just as women's median income was on a steady rise throughout the past 40 years or so. Adoption doesn't give men a partner to spend their life with when they're grey and old. The child grows up in 18 years and then goes off on their own. You have no solution, so you are just dancing around the is…
/r/MensRights11/05/18 10:24 PM
2

No I love women, I want the best for them as well, but maybe 100% will not be satisfied. 100% are not satisfied right now. Women have declining happiness since the 1970s.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 10:20 PM
4

The right to vote was given freely by men, and can be taken away just as easily.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 10:18 PM
2

You're not telling me anything I don't already know. What's missing is the solution to increase the birth rate to 2.1 and increase marriage so less people are lonely in middle age. The white male suicide rate in middle-age has skyrocketed to astronomical proportions. But nobody cares about that, because these are men. If they were women everyone would be wearing a ribbon on their shirts in solidarity with women who are killing themselves out of hopelessness. I am the only one with a solution bec…
/r/MensRights11/05/18 09:32 PM
1

I'm aware of the need for trickle truth to reach illumination in people's minds who have been raised to believe the current path we're on is the only moral and dignified one. My post is stickied at the top of this forum here for a reason, not because the men here are hateful towards women or intolerant, we just want a better world for us all, and only people like me know what to do. Jordan Peterson is leader talking about similar issues, he's just a lot more careful about how he presents them. W…
/r/MensRights11/05/18 09:07 PM
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The Norwegian finance ministry knows the current situation is unsustainable, financially. They have stated as such, but they have no real solution. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/8i9z41/norwegian_female_researcher_discovers_why_so_many/dytue7b/?context=3 Men are people too, and 25% of men do not deserve to be alone. That is a failure of society on a fundamental level that will collapse it for everyone eventually. My life is irrelevant to this discussion, 25% of men in Norway are th…
/r/MensRights11/05/18 08:36 PM
2

Freedoms and duties have become unbalanced, the pendulum has swung from one extreme (women can't do anything without a man's permission) to the other (women can do anything without consequence, destroying society in the process).
/r/MensRights11/05/18 08:08 PM
1

50-60% of college students need to be men immediately. If that doesn't produce the intended result, then birth control pills will be restricted to mothers who have at least 2 children and are married. If that doesn't work, women cannot enter college until they have 2 children and are married. I do not know precisely what level of intensity is required to re-balance the equation, but I am in favor of the least amount of hardship on people that achieves the desired and sustainable result. If peopl…
/r/MensRights11/05/18 08:01 PM
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Men are whores too for participating in it. There are plenty of married men who have sex regularly who agree with me. Go watch the TV show The Handmaid's Tale, if we don't find a less extreme solution to the current problem, then extreme solutions lie in the future instead that will solve it 100%. I actually don't want that, I want harmony though.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 07:54 PM
2

I'm not sure where you are disagreeing with me then. I have no problem with women seeking education and living their lives, but not if it means 25-35% of men end up alone and without hope. That's not a recipe for long term success in any society, rich or poor. There's a reason why our culture had strict rules about no sex before marriage and no divorce except for extreme scenarios like abuse. It's the only sustainable system for an advanced civilization in the long run. Otherwise things will jus…
/r/MensRights11/05/18 07:47 PM
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And women are not entitled to birth control and college education.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 07:35 PM
2

I ask no benefit for myself, I would gladly remain alone my entire life to see society put back on the proper path.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 07:34 PM
3

Math doesn't lie, feminism destroys societies, it just takes decades to play out in a very slow collapsing scenario.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 07:33 PM
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The primary debt every person has is to carry on with the society we were given and make it better than it was before. That is no longer happening. Society can demand duties be fulfilled as the price of freedoms.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 07:32 PM
1

My friend... other races lack the intelligence to replace whites, only East Asians (Chinese, japanese, koreans, etc, could possibly do that, but they are also in even deeper population collapse as well). The reason is not skin color, it's mainly to do with the lack of intellect required to survive in hot climates that never see freezing weather that adversely affects survival. There, now you have the final red pill. Welcome to the real world, it's not pretty.
/r/TheRedPill11/05/18 06:30 PM
1

The problem is women make too much money relative to men. 60% of college students are women. That is unsustainable in the long run, which requires muslim immigration to sustain the welfare state, but that will not prevent the eventual collapse, it will just delay the inevitable collapse of the socialistic matriarchal ponzi scheme.
/r/TheRedPill11/05/18 06:28 PM
1

There's no such thing as freedom in nature, we're all slaves to our biology as living entities, at least to a large extent. You can try to create artificial pathways for people to do whatever they want absent consequences (like freely available birth control), but that just leads to obvious unintended consequences for the long term health, happiness, and stability of a society. Women have not been helped by this new found freedom either. They have lost ground in terms of their own happiness sinc…
/r/MensRights11/05/18 05:56 PM
1

I plan to go find a wife in Tennessee or Hungary, haven't decided yet.
/r/MensRights11/05/18 04:33 AM
0

Sure, but they keep letting muslims and others in that are far worse and inbred with their own cousins. We need to reproduce at 2.1 children per woman or society collapses.
/r/TheRedPill11/05/18 02:48 AM
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Nobody was a slave. Men weren't slaves when they were dying by the millions for freedom in WW2 either. Men and women have roles to fill in society, and when we refuse these roles society falls apart. Now 60% of college students are women, when the only sane percentage is 60%+ men, at least.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 10:06 PM
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Society doesn't owe women an education or career either if they want to shirk their duties on having enough children to sustain society in the long run. Society also doesn't owe them birth control, which enables them to live their lives like a whore in their 20's with no adverse consequences before shacking up with a nice safe beta male in their 30's.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 09:57 PM
10

It worked well for thousands of years of human civilization in the West. Funny how the last 40-50 years seem to be the only problem. It works fine but people live in a fantasy world today that's unsustainable in the long run.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 09:51 PM
4

You can't pay the rent with status man.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 09:12 PM
1

You're smart but you're too disorderly for the white women. I'm the same way.
/r/TheRedPill10/05/18 09:11 PM
3

Yes sir, that's exactly correct.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 09:09 PM
2

You're very smart, that's exactly what this is. Muslim immigration is a shit test too.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 09:09 PM
5

To the grave, alone.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 09:08 PM
2

Well the first thing is it's unsustainable for 60% of college students to be women, so that has to be fixed somehow. Secondly, birth control is an unnatural condition for human beings to persist within. Human beings have never possessed control over reproduction like we do today, and it's leading to unintended consequences that are adversely affecting society in the long run. Therefore birth control pills must be banned except in specific circumstances, like a mom who already has 2-3 kids. Abort…
/r/MensRights10/05/18 09:07 PM
1

That's right, men have more opportunity to have children during their lifetimes, but they don't because men are disposable.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 04:05 PM
0

me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 01:32 PM
8

It won't be polygamy that comes back, men will tear down feminism with their bare hands.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 01:32 PM
1

I looked for more current data, can't find just yet. According to someone else 78% of men under the age of 30 are childless, but that's not very helpful since most people father children in their 30's.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 01:31 PM
1

Whatever man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 01:29 PM
1

That will take many generations to play out. But it's an interesting point. People in general should be getting dumber.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 01:27 PM
1

I don't think so. The natural level is around 40% of men reproducing with 80% of women I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 01:24 PM
1

One man's nightmare can be another woman's dream.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 01:22 PM
1

I don't cherish men at the top of the hierarchy, but I appreciate what they contribute to society and the advancements we have acquired via capitalism. I just want Western civilization to survive and for men and women to be happy with sustainable birth rates that don't lead to a rapidly aging population and decaying welfare states. So far I like a lot of what you're saying, but you're not being very specific here. I do not see a pathway in terms of law and order to achieve your goals here. Femin…
/r/MensRights10/05/18 05:05 AM
3

If intelligent women don't reproduce then the long term productivity of society declines.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 04:56 AM
1

It's to provide regardless of what environment they're in, whether basic or technological.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 04:55 AM
-3

Women aren't meant to be more educated than men, that's the problem. Women's primary function is reproductive, not intellectual pursuits.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/18 03:25 AM
14

Ah so men aren't suppose to give a fuck that 25% of men are literally being excluded from society. Soon it will be 30-35%, then I don't even know precisely what happens when it reaches a critical breaking point. Needless to say, it won't be good for anyone.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 02:37 AM
1

Maybe, but it's just not good for the human soul to be alone forever.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 02:35 AM
2

It's an unnatural condition that cannot maintain advanced civilization in the long run, so it will collapse and revert back to patriarchy to maintain stability again. Whether by Muslims taking over the country or economic crisis which forces men to assert themselves via force, I do not know.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 02:33 AM
2

I'm afraid there's not going to be much to enjoy when shit starts to get real.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 02:31 AM
1

No, they join armies or organized gangs lead by tyrants that would rather steal wealth than create it with productive work. Genghis Khan raped a lot of women in his day, but it's safe to say every time his army sacked a town his men raped all the women as well.
/r/TheRedPill10/05/18 02:23 AM
16

That's absolutely pathetic. Don't punish the women, punish the sex-starved men.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 02:19 AM
1

Sure upper class, that's normal. But that's a relatively small percentage of the population.
/r/TheRedPill10/05/18 02:16 AM
1

Nordics/vikings almost conquered the known world at one time with a relatively small population in extremely harsh environmental conditions. I love that TV show 'Vikings' about them that recently came out a few years ago. It's great man.
/r/TheRedPill10/05/18 02:13 AM
6

Men have a larger reproductive window, which implies that 25% of them shouldn't be involuntarily childless at 45. Men can certainly father children in their 40's, but women don't want the bottom 25% at all.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 02:00 AM
1

How do you establish patriarchy and maintain egalitarianism without collapsing civilization as we know it? The problem is women have too much education and money relative to men, so how do you fix that problem in practical ways today?
/r/MensRights10/05/18 01:58 AM
2

Because white women are more evolved than black/brown women. White women are K-selectors, black/brown women are r-selectors, due to persisting in an environment that never sees freezing weather and therefore doesn't select for the types of intellect that are useful in the modern world.
/r/TheRedPill10/05/18 01:53 AM
2

Freedom has to be balanced by responsibility. If people shirk their responsibilities, then they have to be forced to comply. It's as simple as that. Dark days are ahead, but there's light at the end of the tunnel eventually.
/r/TheRedPill10/05/18 01:40 AM
1

I'm not here to debate the history of religion, good day to you. If it weren't for Christianity the West may have never abandoned slavery as a practice. Pagan beliefs did not morally conflict with using people.
/r/TheRedPill10/05/18 01:25 AM
2

What does that have to do with never reproducing your entire life, involuntarily?
/r/MensRights10/05/18 01:23 AM
1

Don't underestimate how greedy google is.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 01:21 AM
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Norway also has the lowest income GINI coefficient in the entire world, which means they have the lowest level of income disparity between rich and poor. http://hdr.undp.org/en/content/income-gini-coefficient Your argument is they need to do even better, when the men there are increasingly finding they cannot attract a mate in this amazingly egalitarian and fair society. Your argument has no basis, it's completely backwards.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 01:20 AM
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No, the Roman Empire embraced Christianity to create order and save the empire from fracturing and collapsing.
/r/TheRedPill10/05/18 01:18 AM
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Thank you, it warms my heart to provide a little light to so many men seeking illumination in these dark times. Stay strong.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 01:14 AM
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Download is the only way to go.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 01:11 AM
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Income disparity between rich and poor has decreased dramatically since 1985 in Norway, so I don't see how you can argue further reductions in income disparity via redistribution can solve the problem of male obsolescence. The problem is clearly associated with women making too much money relative to men. If you have a universal basic income and give the bottom 25% of men and women a significant boost in income, the same problem persists, and gets worse, because you devalue men's income relative…
/r/MensRights10/05/18 01:10 AM
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Good movie.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 01:08 AM
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Correct, the male / female reproductive ratio spiked to 17-to-1 about 8,000 years ago when agriculture was spreading across the globe. We do not know precisely why this happened, but it's interesting to note. Religions are created by men, sins are damaging to society, so sex before marriage was classified as a sin by leaders in the male hierarchy, and they used people's tendency to believe in god against them to enforce these new rules.
/r/TheRedPill10/05/18 01:07 AM
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Sure some of them are divorced, but forever alone is arguably just as bad if not worse in the long run too.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 01:06 AM
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Lone alphas didn't dominate all the women, but roughly 40% of men likely did. They were the only ones who reproduced, but about 80% of women did. The top 40% can easily defend a hierarchy, and there is no direct evidence that prehistoric death rates for men were high enough to produce this disparity.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 12:43 AM
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I like that one, but I prefer the full version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83MQhjfYW0o
/r/MensRights10/05/18 12:37 AM
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If what you say is true, why is the white middle-aged suicide rate so high today in comparison to history? It has increased dramatically over the same period of time this data was collected. Men have no purpose in life in middle age if they don't have someone to take care of and share their lives with (at least a wife, but ideally children as well). Some people are voluntarily checking out of society like MGTOW, but that's an extreme minority. As the researcher says, her information continues to…
/r/MensRights10/05/18 12:33 AM
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Her individual research is just math and conducting surveys of men who are forever alone at middle-age. I honestly never bothered to look it up, since this information was not surprising in the least to me, but apparently it's news to a lot of other people who are oblivious about what's actually been going on in society for the past few generations.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 12:29 AM
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You don't get it man, with perfect resource allocation between all people, more men would be forever alone, not less!
/r/MensRights10/05/18 12:19 AM
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I would also point out, genetic evidence suggests most of the men who ever lived never reproduced, so it wasn't a picnic for men back in the stone ages or whatever.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 12:14 AM
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Sure, if you want to go back to hunting meat each day for food and gathering nuts and berries when game is scarce, be my guest. I'm well aware of how humans persisted for millions of years prior to agriculture and the development of civilization. That won't work unless you go back to a primitive way of life and destroy all this civilization we built for comfort and progress.
/r/MensRights10/05/18 12:09 AM
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Not necessarily, but that was a relatively frequent occurrence every few generations or so during some parts of our history. Human beings were essentially nomads for most of our evolutionary existence on this planet before we discovered how to raise crops via agriculture 8,000-10,000 years ago or so. We just roamed from one plentiful hunting ground to another. I'm sure there was inter-tribal conflict over hunting grounds sometimes, but the world is a big place, it's easier to just move on rather…
/r/MGTOW09/05/18 11:52 PM
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If you're asking for links for my interpretation, they are my own creation for the most part. Feel free to interpret the same information as you see fit. I'm open to alternative analysis. What I stated at the end is fairly straightforward. The bottom 25% are not attractive enough to women in highly egalitarian societies, so they recycle higher value men who already successfully reproduced with someone else and got divorced or never married the first individual. This phenomena is known more forma…
/r/MensRights09/05/18 11:48 PM
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It's not a coincidence that the white male suicide rate in middle-age is skyrocketing so fast and has done so for decades.
/r/MensRights09/05/18 11:39 PM
2

That's true, that's reverse discrimination.
/r/MensRights09/05/18 11:38 PM
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Equality out outcome is not a possibility in the real world. All you can do is give people a fair chance to succeed.
/r/MensRights09/05/18 11:38 PM
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You're exactly right my friend, dark days are ahead, it's just taking a long time to get there.
/r/MGTOW09/05/18 11:31 PM
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Brace yourself, winter is coming.
/r/MGTOW09/05/18 11:28 PM
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Thank you.
/r/MensRights09/05/18 11:22 PM
5

According to this researcher that's not true.
/r/MensRights09/05/18 11:22 PM
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A lot of men don't like prostitutes because they know they're having sex for money. Men want to be loved just like any other human being. We're people just like women, we have feelings and emotional needs to be loved and be useful. A sexbot is the same thing, just it's not alive, which arguably makes it worse, but maybe not.
/r/MensRights09/05/18 11:21 PM
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It's egalitarian in terms of people having equal opportunity, like free college education and no cultural repression of people's choices in life. Egalitarianism is not synonymous with communism.
/r/MensRights09/05/18 10:44 PM
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Most people are not ready for the whole truth. The only viable path is trickle truth, which begins here.
/r/MensRights09/05/18 10:41 PM
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You don't want to know. I'm serious.
/r/MensRights09/05/18 10:38 PM
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Get that weak shit out of here just because you project the inadequacies, failures and emptiness of your life into existence. Priceless, I'm going to steal this line.
/r/MGTOW09/05/18 10:36 PM
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Actually it's really not fun having all the responsibility for everything on your shoulders.
/r/MGTOW09/05/18 10:33 PM
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But she still supports feminism 100%, women will not violate their biological prerogative even if they know it's self-destructive to civilization and real people's lives who are innocent and have done nothing to deserve a life of loneliness. Thus, MGTOW may be the only solution for some men. When one party refuses to play fair, sometimes the only choice is to walk away and don't play their game.
/r/MGTOW09/05/18 10:04 PM
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They're gonna dislike the collapse of Western civilization a lot worse.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 09:50 PM
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Eugenics is just positive evolution, but regression is possible via dysgenics too.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 09:49 PM
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Yea I'm not saying men are perfect, but men don't destroy civilization when they chase pretty girls.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 09:47 PM
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They're not contributing much, if they were women would find their incomes more desirable.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 09:45 PM
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I frankly don't give a fuck, I'm here to inform, not to deconstruct every retarded thing you say. Muslims will put women back in their place once they grow to sufficient numbers in Europe, that much is certain. Their current political alliance is one of convenience, like the scorpion and the fox crossing a river together.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:40 PM
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That was only during a very short period of time during human history when we were making the transition from being nomads to agriculturalists fixed in a single spot for prolonged periods. No one knows precisely what drove the ratio that high, but it's safe to assume it wasn't 100% hypergamy. People like Genghis Khan roamed the Earth raping and impregnating so many women his genetic trace is still found in many millions of people today. Men at the top of the heirarchy created Christianity and ot…
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 05:33 PM
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My friend, of that I have no doubt whatsoever.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 05:30 PM
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You can't explain reality to people who have no experience with it.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 05:29 PM
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They don't want that shit anymore No, they left Islamic societies to extract wealth from white people that subsidize their own reproduction with welfare systems. They're inherently parasitic on Western cultures.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 05:28 PM
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To some extent yes, but even weak men can learn to be better. That's what people are doing here, seeking answers. It's why men are listening to Jordan Peterson as well.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 05:26 PM
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The more money women make the fewer men they are willing to reproduce with, it's as simple as that. Then society will collapse, because women were not meant to be self-sufficient, it's not their natural condition. Civilization was built by spreading the sexual wealth to beta males to extract productivity and support social stability and long term demographic sustainability.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 05:25 PM
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Most people don't live on a farm in a rural place that's safe during chaos. I'm willing to bet you're dependent on social structures in place and built by patriarchy. These will crumble one day and lead to starvation and generalized unrest. Plan accordingly.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 05:22 PM
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Street hustling is an inefficient method of extracting wealth in society, if they had high IQs they would be reading books instead of pimping hoes out or whatever the fuck they're doing. They're parasitic on a society built on productivity and intellectual pursuits they reject. It's a nitch reproductive strategy at best, and their children just become a further burden on society.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:14 PM
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The problem is height has no inherent value in the modern world. Women's reproductive criteria is ancient and obsolete in modern environments.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:11 PM
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Why is your user name highlighted in pink instead of blue like everyone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:09 PM
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Women's reproductive systems are selected for hunter/gatherer societies that human persisted within for millions of years. That's why they place such a high value on men being tall (I'm tall by the way). Being tall has absolutely no value in the modern world, but it's still a major component of male attractiveness. This is why women's worst sexual impulses were strictly controlled by ancient societies via religion and cultural repression. It's the only way to build and maintain an advanced civil…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:07 PM
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Not necessarily, it just raises the cost of production at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 05:03 PM
1

I'm glad that RoK is moving beyond hedonism and just "enjoying the decline." Men must fill the void in their soul with something real.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 04:52 PM
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Stay strong and keep supporting politicians like Trump and we might just achieve that someday.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 04:41 PM
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That's only because conservative justices respect precedent of past decisions. Abortion isn't going anywhere, if we banned it we'd have total chaos, and all the smart conservatives secretly know that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:39 PM
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It's both, white women especially want a mix of alpha/beta (attractive and provisioning), but these men are rare.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 04:38 PM
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They're often too foolish to figure it out.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 04:37 PM
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Not if you live in places like rural Tennessee, but yes, don't bring her back to New York, Chicago, or Los Angeles.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:35 PM
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Nope, I've been studying this for many years. My viewpoint is entirely rational and backed by ample evidence supporting my thesis. See my latest post here about how 25% of middle-aged men in Norway are now childless, and it's rising fast. We're headed for a great destruction of civilization in the not too distant future.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 04:33 PM
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Eastern Asian people are smarter than whites in general, so no, I don't mean them.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 04:29 PM
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Women have never controlled society, but they do tend to dominate the sexual marketplace in all environments, as the primary selectors of men for mating, as long as they're in a social setting that prohibits rape and punishes it accordingly (which is not always true in times of war/chaos). Women have to be kept in their place otherwise they will drag us back down toward the stone age their reproductive system is selected for thriving in.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 04:28 PM
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So Communism is your solution? The free market is incredibly efficient at rewarding people for the actual value of their work. I may be misunderstanding you though. Hierarchical structures are not the problem, it's absolute freedom with no social constraints on people's more animalistic and primitive tendencies. Along with no belief in God which leads to nihilistic and hedonistic lifestyle choices. But that's a bit beyond the scope of this post.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 04:25 PM
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You're still stuck in the Matrix my friend, I don't have time to explain it to you in detail though.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 04:19 PM
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 04:18 PM
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Only the non-white global population is out of control, that's the final red pill to swallow.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 04:15 PM
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Even if God doesn't exist, it's in your best interests to be brainwashed to believe he does. You may be lost, but it's important for children to be convinced God exists, because atheism leads to the slow destruction of civilization.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 04:14 PM
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In the modern world they want both, but both rarely come in an "agreeable" package that's willing to be exploited to the degree they would prefer. So this constant harping about the bogus wage gap is a way to extract more resources out of beta men/society so they can continue to fuck alphas without economic consequence.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 04:12 PM
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https://imgflip.com/i/1yqnyi
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 04:09 PM
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Men will rise to the occasion if there is a perceived need for men to be masculine again, but right now there is no incentive.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 04:06 PM
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It's unintentional because they're too stupid/ignorant to realize non-white/asian people are intellectually deficient and always will be. Their solution to population collapse is immigration of cultures and people who will never replace the people who were never born in Western societies. That's the final red pill to swallow. But most people are not ready to face that reality.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 04:03 PM
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unless the level of inequity in your favor is so high that she'd suffer severely in provisional procurement relatively speaking if the relationship ends due to an inability to branch swing to a man of similar social/financial standing. Exactly, we agree 100%. Freedom is just chaos, order can only be maintained in the long run via social repression in a variety of forms that are proven to work historically. Women should not be allowed to pursue a college degree unless they're 30 years old and alr…
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 03:52 PM
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That's true it wasn't 100% repression, and was for their own good, even if they don't agree. It's like a child being guided by a parent, so the patriarchy is like the parent in this case. But their natural sexual drive must be repressed by patriarchy, the reward is a loyal beta for every woman who will happily provide for his family.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:55 PM
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Female's brains still think we all live in caves and go out each day to hunt meat and gather fruit to eat each day to survive. Women are programmed to destroy civilization if they are allowed to fully express their sexuality without some form of social control mechanism, like those created in the Bible via Christianity.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:53 PM
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Women's sexual selection is still programmed like we all live in caves and hunt and gather fruit from trees every day to survive. That's the depth of their selection criteria, and it's inherently destructive to civilizations, which is why men built concepts like monogamy and disallowed sex before marriage to ensure beta males had access to sex which encourage social stability and productivity.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:51 PM
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Feminism is a shit test on whether society deserves to survive or not and/or be replaced by anti-feminist cultures and masculine men from more primitive lands and cultures that will tear down and destroy everything their fathers and grandfathers built for them.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:48 PM
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Too bad it had the unintended consequence of collapsing civilization entirely. If you start pulling on threads that create a great tapestry of civilization for thousands of years, you're bound to run into problems. Now we just have population replacement by primitive cultures like Muslims who will accelerate our decline to final collapse like the Romans.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:47 PM
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Yes, precisely correct, but this breeding style destroys civilizations if left unchecked by men who build civilizations.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:45 PM
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Women's reproductive criteria are so primitive that the only way to maintain civilization in the long run is via some level of oppression. This is unfortunate, because we were all taught to love freedom, but it's a lie. Freedom is just chaos without some level of social control.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:43 PM
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Women will always destroy civilization if men allow it, and sadly that is going to continue until enough masculine men stand up and say no more. Right now the masculine men don't care because to them life is meaningless due to their belief there is no God or afterlife. So they have embraced nihilism and hedonism to fill the void in their souls.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:39 PM
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For their environment the genes in Nigeria are fine, but unfortunately they don't select for high intelligence necessary to function in an advanced society.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:36 PM
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Classic nihilism and hedonism, sad.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:35 PM
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He said goy, not soy.... lol.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:35 PM
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You are lost my friend, reject nihilism and hedonism, embrace God and read Jordan Peterson's book and watch his youtubes.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:34 PM
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You can't get through to people like this, they're consumed by nihilism and postmodernism. Nothing really matters in life to them beyond their own pleasure and hedonistic motivations. It's sad, but that's what happens without the influence of a higher power in people's lives.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:33 PM
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Yes feminism in the Roman Empire was a thing, and sexual deviance with homosexuals was very big towards the end. Illegal immigration and slavery lowered men's incomes so they couldn't reproduce.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:29 PM
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And their farms were probably burnt down by thousands of men who became roaming warlords.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:27 PM
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Genetic evidence suggests the historical gender ratio for successful reproduction was about 80% of women, 40% of men. So 60% of all the men who lived in prehistoric times never reproduced.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:22 PM
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Yes it is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:41 AM
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The supreme court is split 5-4 on whether we have a right to possess a weapon or we don't. You don't need to change the constitution when the left wipes their ass with "original intent" arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:38 AM
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The right has been virtually eliminated in all major democracies in the Western world, America is the sole holdout, and it likely won't survive the next 20 years as whites become a minority of voters.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:34 AM
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People thought they had a right to bear arms until a majority decided it wasn't a right anymore. Funny how rights tend to disappear as soon as people change their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:32 AM
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Have you seen the new TV show A Handmaid's Tale? It's not just a dystopian fantasy of some liberal screenwriter in Hollywood, it's a somewhat realistic window into the future as the human population declines to zero in advanced societies with feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:29 AM
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Find a woman in Hungary or Poland, go on vacation there, don't use a service.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 03:27 AM
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They're not... yet. That's why we have a hyper-masculine reality TV star as President, pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:26 AM
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We're at some sort of watershed moment, and it's no coincidence that a hyper-masculine reality TV star is President of the United States.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:24 AM
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It looks like women not being allowed to go to college until they reproduce twice. Something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:22 AM
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With nihilistic thinking like that, what's the point of even living your life? You'll be dead soon anyway, what's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:19 AM
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Non-white people are r-selecting reproducers, they operate on far more primitive reproductive selection criteria suitable for climates that never have seen freezing weather, which is why their IQs are lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:12 AM
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White/asian people in general are K-selectors in the modern technological world, the rest are r-selectors for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:09 AM
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Men's higher sexual drive ensures most men are never voluntarily celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:07 AM
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Tradcon is the only solution that has ever worked in human history. Women are not meant to be educated, their primary function is reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:05 AM
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Then major markets will shut Hong King and Singapore out of the international trade system.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:02 AM
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Just prevent women from going to college until they have at least 2 kids and are over the age of 30 and the problem solves itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/18 03:00 AM
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Modern weapons level the playing field for male on male aggression though. Even a beta can be trained to properly use a weapon as well as an alpha. Look at the Asian dude that starts nailing the country girl in season two of The Walking Dead. He's a complete beta, and she knows it, but she fucks him anyway. In ordinary circumstances she wouldn't give him the time of day, let alone let him bust a nut in her. I know it's fiction, but the example is not completely without reason. Shit, what partici…
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 02:07 AM
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Thank you. This is why feminists are not opposed to millions of Muslim immigrants who want to keep women under control. They are shit testing the beta men that are going along with this, and finding them unworthy of reproduction, so society collapses and/or gets replaced by masculine men who put feminists in their place again.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 01:55 AM
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Government? I'm talking about chaos here, like The Walking Dead or something in the same ballpark. When the economic system implodes it's going to be a shit show of epic proportions. When hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans the cops just stopped enforcing law and order and fled for their own safety. This is a taste of things to come, but the storm won't pass by and the water won't recede. What we're experiencing now is a controlled level of collapse, but there is no indication this complex system …
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 01:48 AM
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If it's unsafe for a female to leave the house without being raped during this chaos, it sounds like they will need a man to protect them, even if it's a beta. One alpha isn't going to protect a harem of women during chaos. Women need to extract male protection and provisioning via sex during chaotic times, which basically dominated through most of the dark ages of Europe. When women are stripped of capacity to provide for themselves their only choice is a dependable beta that won't leave her to…
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 01:38 AM
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Some of them are retiring permanently via suicide, which is why white males in middle-age have suicide rates that have skyrocketed in the past few decades. But nobody cares because these men are worthless to the continuation of society.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 01:33 AM
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Religious monogamy is the only sustainable mode of reproduction proven to work for thousands of years of civilization building. This means women need to obey their husbands and all that stuff they rail against when they talk about the patriarchy. Patriarchal systems are necessary to spread the sexual wealth to lower cast betas to ensure you extract maximum productivity out of the male population, the population does not decline towards collapse, and societal stability is maintained.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 01:30 AM
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Collapse means women can no longer support themselves economically or feed their own children or protect themselves. This is why society imposed monogamy on the world in the first place, it's the only stable form of reproduction in the long run, unless you live as hunter/gatherers (which cannot support a large population, only farming can).
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 12:36 AM
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Monogamy is still a useful device to entrap certain high value men higher on the agreeableness scale of the Big 5 and monopolize their high quality sperm and resources for their own high value reproduction, to the exclusion of other women (the competition). Even in extreme socialistic structures like Norway, the absence of economics is never going to become a reality, unless automation puts half of men out of work or something. But that's entirely speculative at this point. You are correct that …
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 12:32 AM
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I dunno, it will certainly be fascinating to see how it all unfolds. I don't see Muslim men giving up their way of life and embracing a faggot's way of life.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 12:23 AM
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That's true, hard work goes a long way, but you have to fight past the depression and push forward no matter what. That takes real grit, which unfortunately a lot of weak men are lacking in.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 12:17 AM
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I somehow doubt this, but if that's true then alphas are an endangered species in Norway. Women in norway seem to be highly selecting for beta and alpha characteristics. Being purely alpha with no money or purely beta bucks with no natural attractiveness is not enough for them to stop taking contraception and intentionally reproduce.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 12:14 AM
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I see, well if that's you, then you should be fine when society collapses. Good luck.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 12:09 AM
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The percentage of muslim men in Norway expanded by 50% in the last 6 years (before the recent Syrian migration). This is going to end by cultural replacement by men who will not put up with women who demand equality. Then the displaced white men will maybe join Islam in solidarity with the newcomers who seek to overturn the old order and establish patriarchy once again.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 12:05 AM
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Lots of western countries have high taxes and prices. It's the extreme egalitarianism and feminism that creates a larger group of useless males. Women rule Norway to a large extent, so they have imposed a system that favors their reproduction to a large extent as well. Sure, but its not my problem. By your own admission it will eventually be a problem that will affect your life when the mass of useless men grows too large, it will reach a breaking point and chaos will ensue.
/r/TheRedPill09/05/18 12:00 AM
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I'm not a fan of Iran, but they did recognize the threat that feminism poses to infect their society and destroy it from within. I'm not a fan of Islam, but at least they got rid of the feminism. They didn't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater and become a regressive regime though. But maybe that unavoidable. I don't precisely know.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 11:52 PM
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If society collapses there is hope... and that may be exactly what happens.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 11:50 PM
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Yes, but a higher proportion of men are not reproducing in Norway vs other Western nations. This is a problem for the useless middle-aged men of society that will inevitably die alone.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 11:44 PM
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There's about equal gays vs lesbians, so it doesn't matter, it balances out on both sides.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 11:36 PM
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That's too far down the rabbit hole and beyond the scope of this discussion.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 11:34 PM
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This is why white men without a college degree voted for Trump overwhelmingly in record numbers. They're voting like they're under threat, and they're not wrong. They're seeking a peaceful resolution to the current state of affairs, but it doesn't appear likely they will be satisfied in the current political dynamic.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 11:26 PM
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I wish I could explain it in simpler terms, but that's the best I can do.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 11:23 PM
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It should, because you have a normal level of empathy for people who don't deserve to be forever alone through no fault of their own.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 11:18 PM
9

That's an interesting way of analyzing it.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 11:17 PM
83

I don't think the majority of it is voluntary, it's involuntary because men are less attractive with less money in comparison to women who can support themselves to a large extent.
/r/TheRedPill08/05/18 08:37 PM
1

False, women run the HR departments and they place a lot of significance on that piece of paper. Perhaps after your first professional job it's less important where you got educated or if you did, but getting that first job is the hardest part.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 06:08 PM
1

It might be past the point of no return, but maybe not. Places like Utah may survive in the long run and remain a tiny island where western civilization survives and continues to thrive 100-500 years from now. But maybe not. We'll see.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 06:06 PM
1

A standard 4 year degree yes, but a master's degree is still very valuable in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 06:00 PM
1

Most women are not collecting a welfare check, at least most white women aren't. Black women have children out of wedlock at a super high rate, but they're doing that for a complex set of social and biological reasons. White women still want to get married before they reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:52 PM
1

That's certainly something to consider, but it's too speculative to really take seriously just yet. The demand for higher education keeps going up too though, which is suppressing median male income. Median male income has been flat adjusted for inflation since the 1970's or so. So it's not hard to comprehend by 25-40% of the male population is considered entirely or nearly worthless by women. Only about 40% of college students are men, so there's a huge gender gap in favor of women in terms of …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:48 PM
2

I'm well aware of the historical data concerning reproductive success in prehistoric times, but we don't live in prehistoric times. Unless we have a nuclear war or something that's not going to happen anytime soon. The demand for money today is always going to create demand for beta male providers. It's just beta males have lost considerable ground in terms of their attractiveness in the past 50 years or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:37 PM
1

Yes, but there's no evidence their influence is strong enough to impose a full socialistic system on us, not yet. A lot of white women are not socialists, not even close. Most people in general are fairly moderate and status quo.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:34 PM
1

Where do you get 60% from? I don't follow. I think there are a lot of marginally worthless men close to being worthless to consider here as well. So I figure the real number is somewhere between 30-40% of the male population that is either entirely worthless or nearly worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:30 PM
2

Not necessarily, a majority of white women voted for Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:29 PM
3

Not compared to most of human recorded history. The prehistoric era was especially brutal for men, no doubt about that. Since people have learned read and write beta males were given a very high place in society due to religious traditions that were proven to work better at building advanced civilizations. But now we're actually going in reverse, because women's sexual selection criteria is not completely compatible with the modern world. Strong selection for criteria like height is obviously ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:28 PM
1

If they had money they could easily attract their own mates, no need to waste money on gestational surrogacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:23 PM
1

I tried to watch The Wire, it disgusted me too much to continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:15 PM
3

Or going on vacation to Hungary or Singapore or somewhere else and bringing home their new wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:12 PM
2

I don't see monogamy ending anytime soon. It's still useful in an economic sense for 75% of the women out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 05:11 PM
1

Violence more than intelligence I'd say. I don't think your average black drug dealer has an IQ over 100.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:48 AM
3

No it's really not. There are multiple forms of intelligence. Some work well in certain environments, others don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:43 AM
2

California also has the highest poverty rate in America! And it's growing!! Brown people in California have low incomes man, they aren't making California great. They don't get educated nearly enough in college to do that. The only non-whites in California carrying their own weight are Asians. Brown people are just dragging us down collectively as a society.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:42 AM
9

Women's reproductive systems are not selected for advanced societies. They select genes that work in ancient times before we knew how to grow crops with agriculture. They don't select for IQ in lower class communities, if they did, education wouldn't be so difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:40 AM
-1

If Hispanics were patriots they wouldn't be allied with leftists and socialists in the US to the extent that they are. They're enemies in our country that have invaded and imbalanced our politics and will continue to do so as they reproduce and continue to ask for more money to subsidize their reproduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:38 AM
1

That's why we want to build a wall and stop all immigration. I know it's a pipe dream, and it's a retarded one at that. 45% of whites in California voted for Trump, but only 24% of Hispanics did and 17% of Asians. And it wasn't just because he was an asshole, Romney had the same problems basically. California was once a state that elected Ronald Reagan as Governor, now our culture has been almost completely taken over by people who want someone else's money. Republican states have schools too, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:36 AM
2

They may be smart at street hustling, but street hustling doesn't maintain an advanced civilization in the long run. I do not believe they possess the right type of intelligence to facilitate reproductive success.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:27 AM
-1

Way more American flags though, but it's Boston, so in general that city is not very patriotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:26 AM
0

If Hispanics were fully Americanized then roughly half of them would vote for Republicans, because culturally they are compatible with conservative ideas for the most part. But they don't, and they won't, even if Republicans legalize every single illegal immigrant in the entire nation (just like they didn't after 1986 under the first amnesty program Reagan signed into law).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:23 AM
2

I work in sales in predominantly working class communities. I've been inside more Hispanic homes and sat down at their tables than most people will do in their entire lifetimes. I think I know what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:20 AM
2

Iran doesn't represent the entirety of the muslim world, you have one fucking example of a country that was semi-literate before 79 and NO OTHER EXAMPLES. It's actually a joke. And even Iran fell into the same trap as the rest of the Muslim world. If it weren't for oil the entire region would be as poor as Africa with starvation, genocide, and all the rest. If the world ever really figures out a way to stop consuming oil they are royally fucked forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:11 AM
2

At least your IQ is probably over 100, so you're not promoting a dysgentic effect in society. But I'm afraid that's not actually all that common unfortunately. Otherwise it wouldn't be so self-destructive to society in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:08 AM
1

Hispanics have been in the US for many generations, I still don't see any Hispanics with Americans flags, EVER.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:06 AM
2

Not for hundreds of years it hasn't. That's the point. Until they stop inbreeding they're literally incapable of even beginning the process of assimilation. But if their religion prevents them from marrying non-muslims, they're just as unlikely to assimilate as well. They do not value education, they won't make any money to even attract a white woman if they wanted to. But these women will not put up with being treated like shit. They won't be their personal sex slaves like they're accustomed to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 03:06 AM
3

Uh huh, but social housing is not the same standard of living as what you can achieve with two middle class incomes combined. Even the neighborhoods have something to do with the desirability of where you are raising your kids. It's one reason people in America fled to the suburbs.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 02:58 AM
1

Count the American vs Mexican flags man, it's just a pure numbers game in Mexican-American communities in the Southwest.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 02:56 AM
3

Nah Muslims have been a shit show for at least 800 years or so. They conquered the Eastern Roman Empire yes, but then they started fucking their cousins because Muhammad condoned the practice, and science and learning ended shortly thereafter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 02:56 AM
2

The negative effects of incest can be remedied by stopping the practice, but the British stopped doing that centuries ago. Anyway, it was their culture, they don't need to assimilate into themselves, regardless of who they were fucking. The point is past immigration to western countries has been christians with the same basic philosophies on life which were basically compatible. Islam as practiced by the majority of Muslims in this world is not compatible with our way of life, they are disgusted…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/18 02:54 AM
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