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DebateRobuffus1417/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:46 PM
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No it doesn't, it doesn't get counted as rape. It gets counted as "Made to penetrate". I am not sure what you're not understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 08:40 AM
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We know that... What are you not comprehending? When they report what happened to them, it gets lumped under "Made to penetrate", and not rape. If they report a woman climbs on top of them and forces them to penetrate her, that counts as "Made to penetrate", not rape. If they report they were penetrated, that's what gets counted as rape, and it's primarily men who penetrate others for obvious reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 08:39 AM
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Because “made to penetrate” doesn’t count as rape… so the women aren’t counted… that’s exactly what he was saying
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:42 PM
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Nah let’s not pretend this goes both ways. It goes exactly one way against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:40 PM
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Oh it's absolutely patriarchal, no doubt about that. I'm just asserting that patriarchy isn't oppressive, and that you don't know anything about history. And clearly you must be just as lonely given you love to come here just as we do, lmao. You're no different sweetheart.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:18 AM
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You can’t reread things you haven’t read. I don’t think you’ve ever read scripture, nor the church fathers, nor medieval history, nor even the early feminists. You just watch TikTok lmao. And yes, I will continue to “mansplain” until you bother to research things for once. That’s why you can’t even back up your claims, you just assert them without justification. You literally don’t even read history but act like you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 08:02 PM
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That is NOT the only reason we venerate her, lol. As an Orthodox we also say she never knowingly sinned. Her piety, grace, and obedience to Christ are something we all aspire to reach but never will. I’m not sure where you get the impression that the Bible isn’t “kind to women”. Sure, there’s gender roles and they aren’t spiritual leaders, but that doesn’t mean we’re evil or cruel to women. Again, you can even read early church fathers like Chrysostom on how to treat wives. This guy in the fourt…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:58 PM
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I at least appreciate the honesty about the rise of paganism/occultism/wicca/etc amongst feminism (and I’m assuming as a Wiccan yourself you’d take pride in this), most just deny it because they think it’s insane so it can’t possible be true. That doesn’t mean Crowley didn’t heavily influence Wicca, lmao. He was literally buddies with the founder of Wicca in Gardner who borrowed from him. Also, esoteric religions see women as FAR worse. Most are centered around goddess worship and the idea of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:38 PM
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Also I do this because I know way more about feminism than most feminists do. Most don’t even know Betty Friedan or even Stanton these days, let alone people like Woodhull, Blavatsky, Wollstonecraft, or Kollontai.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 08:29 PM
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Which part isn't true then?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:05 AM
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Are you disagreeing that many feminist academics have tried to add power into the definition of sexism?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:54 PM
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I understand those are two different things. What I'm saying is that the general influence from those beliefs stems from that sort of ideology and then branched out, it also took a lot from theosophy (An amalgamation of a bunch of religions), thelema, and a lot of gnostic beliefs. We can't deny it's roots. Aleister Crowley HEAVILY influenced wicca and he believed he could bring the antichrist into the world by getting a bunch of women to have sex with him (Surely there's no ulterior motive here!…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:54 PM
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Are you seriously under the impression that they’re no longer giving abortions out for medical reasons? They still do. This isn’t a case of “well they don’t do them anymore so of course they’re not getting charged”. They’re still performing them!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:56 PM
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Literally zero women have died because they didn't have an abortion that I've seen. Almost all were actually just cases of medical malpractice where the baby was ALREADY dead, hence no need for an abortion, which involves killing the actual fetus. These cases then get amplified by the media for obvious reasons regardless of the truth of the matter. I don't buy the justification that "the doctors were just scared to do their job", because we currently have ZERO cases where a doctor was charged fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:43 PM
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I mean you can just give your own definition of what those things are, idk about the guy you were responding to but I don't necessarily have a problem with proprietary definitions. The idea the word is describing is often (though not always) more important than the word or phrase that names it. Here's some we can probably agree on if we want to distinguish the two. Traditional feminism - The push towards egalitarianism via the destruction of patriarchy In other words, it's the push towards equal…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:41 PM
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And the feminists that established the Duluth model, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:36 PM
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Firstly, wicca is actually the fastest growing religion amongst young women today in the US. You can just see subreddits like the witchesvs patriarchy one as a microcosm of this. Also, it's not that I think the majority of feminists are lucifereans, nor do I believe they're all out there in secret clandestine organizations. It's just that the main leaders of the feminist movement were doing this that's insane to me. I don't think speaking at seance tables and whatnot actually works, but THEY did…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:36 PM
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Not really sure how I'm supposed to respond to that but I'm not sure where you've been for the past 10 years if you haven't heard this. It's quite common, especially in academia.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:27 PM
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Literally zero states force women to give birth when their lives are at risk, and even if this were the case, men have no right to bodily autonomy either, so there's no unique privilege of women here. And stop ignoring the part where men cannot legally be raped by women, and where men are actively arrested when they call the police on THEIR ABUSERS.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:26 PM
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That's not what you said at all. Even the verbiage "Catching up" implies men are advantaged to begin with. Can you point me to any laws that are even close to saying men can't be raped by women today?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:40 PM
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Oh really? So like when one of the most commonly cited figures in feminist literature like Mary P Koss (Creator of the 1 in 4 women are raped statistic), advisor to the CDC and congress, created the definition of rape such that it excludes men raped by women that's not something systemic? She literally defined rape as penetrative, so you have to be penetrated for it to count as rape. If a woman climbs on top of a man and forces him to penetrate her, it doesn't get tracked as rape in CDC statisti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:14 PM
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All feminism has been extremely radical. They had literal satanists and lucifereans in the early suffrage movement. No, I'm not just schizoranting, they literally admit this because they saw Lucifer as a liberator from the evil and patriarchal Christianity. Elizabeth Cady Stanton along with multiple other feminists wrote their own Bible where they posited God was actually a woman and they did so in mockery. Stanton and Susan B Anthony defended a woman who literally crushed her infant to death (S…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:09 PM
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Why are you complaining about someone arguing semantics when you're literally the one splitting hairs between different kinds of feminism? Obviously you'd have to give a definition for each to show why they're different. That's not arguing semantics, you're the one who brought up the difference so we ought know what separates the two, and just sending someone two links without actually explaining your position is laziness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:04 PM
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They say this all the time, at the very least they'll say it's "less bad". That's why they try to add "power" to the definitions of sexism, so they can say women aren't actually sexist just to make it seem less bad when they do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:03 PM
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I mean you do understand those kids have to be born first, right? Also adopted kids have worse outcomes than non adopted kids. We don’t have to denigrate families that adopt, but at the same time if we’re going to put out a message to society, it ought to be for the one that’s actually applicable to most people since most people aren’t gay, and it should be tailored towards the best outcomes. What exactly would be wrong with this? Should we not promote happy marriages and families or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:31 PM
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Uhh… Do I need to tell you the problem here? Like there is one big key piece about that that you’re missing lmao. Also answer my question that I asked first.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:37 PM
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So for example do children raised without fathers do better than children raised with them or do they do worse on average?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:15 PM
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I’m not understanding you. Do you think society would be better off or even the same with 100% non nuclear families?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:20 PM
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An outcome being worse in comparison does not mean it’s a net negative to society, it just means the other has a higher level of benefits. If a screwdriver increases your efficiency in building by 50%, and a drill by 100%, that doesn’t mean the screwdriver is actively harming what you’re building.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:06 PM
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Nope, never once implied that. Does pride imply non LGBT is bad for society since it states LGBT is good? Also the reason I brought up traditional nuclear families and how those ought be praised is because it’s applicable to far more people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:46 PM
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That’s a whole new sentence from what I said lmao no idea where you got that from
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:06 PM
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How would it be oppressive? Traditional nuclear families typically result in the best outcomes for children and society. Why shouldn’t we promote that? That doesn’t mean you have to hate LGBT, you’re just choosing to promote what’s best for society on average. The average person isn’t even LGBT, so why promote something that’s a small sliver of people vs something that the vast majority are?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:25 PM
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No no I don’t want you to weasel out of the fact that rape is 50/50 lmao. Also, it does remarkably well! I’ve got another date lined up with a like minded woman this weekend that I’m extremely excited for! Turns out many women don’t actually like feminism either, and they actually like and value tradition, and they like and value the men in their lives and they don’t think they’re just violent animals! Not sure what the personal attacks are for though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:18 PM
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That 17% statistic doesn’t mean 17% of men are rapists. Also, great pivot to rape when we were talking about violent crime as a whole. I’m glad you brought it up though, because it gives me an opportunity to cite one of the most buried and least known statistics. Rape rates are actually almost 50/50 between men and women, we just don’t count it as rape in these statistics and in dozens of states when a women rapes a man. Meaning, if a woman climbs on top of a man and forces him to penetrate her,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:44 PM
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Men are significantly more likely to be a victim of a violent crime than women are out on the streets. There’s no unique claim to oppression here. Everyone’s “in danger” around strange men. That doesn’t mean violence is remotely common; most people are not murdered or victims of violent crime. You’re saying “well men commit most violent crime, so we ought be afraid of men”. This is poor logic, because that’s an extremely tiny percentage of the population of men that is violent, an even smaller p…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 12:19 PM
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I mean it’s just gonna manifest again someday. There’s no getting rid of these “culture wars” permanently. When you tell people they’re oppressed constantly they’re not going to just forget about it and put it on the back burner. This is the bed you guys made, time to lie in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:22 AM
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I do “have that convo w race” all the time, and nobody said they don’t happen. Nobody here is talking about worldwide either, most of us live in western first world countries and that’s what we’re referring to. It is highly disingenuous to pretend that you’re just as in danger as a woman in the Middle East. No, I don’t have a lack of access to partners, I’ve been pretty successful in dating lately, and I don’t hate women either. Thanks for the 25 strawman arguments though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 08:33 PM
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Wait but there’s at least SOME good, high value men on there. Why don’t they want those women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:08 PM
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This is why as a guy, my advice to women is always to wait until you’re in love, or at least commitment, to have sex. Ideally marriage but nobody ever does that. It’s not ironclad, but it’s the best way I know of to weed out people afraid of commitment or just trying to use you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 02:55 PM
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I need you to understand that none of us were born 1000 years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 02:53 PM
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Cultural wars are typically part of the class war. The idea behind cultural wars is the oppressed rising against the oppressors (like women vs patriarchy, and patriarchy upholds capitalism in their view). This is generally what I’ve seen from most leftist theory and why they fight culture wars, especially when politics are downstream from culture. I find this repugnant, but this is probably outside the scope of the subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 02:50 PM
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Literally 55% of all men in relationships are breadwinners, around 33% primary breadwinners, and 22% sole breadwinners. In those relationships, primary breadwinners do about 3 more hours of work (adding paid work, childcare, and housework), and sole breadwinners do about 15 more hours of work. Try again and read more. Ignore the slightly biased headline and actually add the numbers. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/04/13/in-a-growing-share-of-u-s-marriages-husbands-and-wives-earn-a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:49 PM
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Assuming all things are equal, obviously the woman. They’re usually not equal though. Typically, the man provides much more money, and generally does more hours of work, even when adding housework and childcare into the mix.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 05:59 PM
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The problem is your “intuition” isn’t looking at someone’s body language, it’s assuming the worst possible scenario based on prior experience instead of the now, feeling nervous about that worst possible scenario regardless of how unlikely it is, then going “well he’s making me nervous so it’s my intuition/gut feeling!”. This isn’t helpful and destroys your ability to have a good relationship with somebody. It’s one of the things a good therapist will recognize and try to reframe.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 07:11 PM
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We call personal experiences that give perceptions that contradict statistics “biases”, and those tend to be negative and irrational. If a 4 year old gets bit by a dog, he ought be afraid of that one dog. If he then becomes afraid of every single dog he meets, we call that a “bias”, and try to help them unlearn that. If a guy gets burnt by a woman using him for money, he ought be afraid of that one woman. If he then assumes every women is a gold digger, we call him an “incel that needs therapy”,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 05:13 PM
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I already know the answers, i read the case and viewed everything. When I ask I’m not asking because I don’t know, I’m asking to see if YOU know, and to hold you to account so you can’t be vague and equivocate. Everything you guys say falls apart the second you’re actually pressed for details and definitions, that’s why I ask them. It’s called the Socratic method.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:25 PM
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Yup. Most women that I’ve seen want a guy that can lead them and they want a guy with a plan. That requires ambition, confidence, some indicators that you’re going to be successful (don’t have to be successful yet, just have an upward trend), and decisiveness/boldness, and a little disagreeableness. The problem is many guys who go into the red pill either take it way too far to the point where they call every woman a gold digger or behave like a tyrant, or they’re extremely agreeable men, which …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:14 PM
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I agree with this. Women want a virtuous and confident man, but would prefer a confident asshole to a meek “nice” guy. From what I’ve noticed, and this is probably unpopular with everyone but I believe it’s true, women want a guy to lead them and a guy with a plan. Like it or not, a confident ass is probably more capable of decision making than a timid guy that’s nice, especially when “niceness” often just means “agreeable”. That said I think it’s probably a little overstated here, most men and …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:06 PM
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Yeah I don’t think they’re as intuitive as they make it out to be. They’re just more risk averse and afraid and they conflate that with intuition, especially because it actually does work sometimes and then gives them confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:04 PM
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I’m just gonna take your refusal to answer any of my questions or challenge any of my claims as a concession.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 04:02 PM
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Yeah I just want you to answer the questions I asked, for the third time. You don’t even know the case, you don’t know who the woman is, you don’t know what standard of evidence was used, you don’t know the only piece of evidence they used to convict (quite literally just her word and a friends word), you don’t know that she lied multiple times, you don’t know that she accused TWENTY OTHER MEN of doing this, you don’t know that she lied about the clothes she was wearing (she said she wore a dres…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:07 AM
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You mean the same case where they quite literally had to make a new law to get it to go to court? And I really want you to answer the questions I asked instead of avoiding them. I know the answers, I’m asking you so I can actually hold you accountable to what you say so you can’t equivocate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:55 PM
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Oh really? What was the evidence they used to convict? What is the standard that type of case requires to convict? Most of you do not even know the answer to this and it’s hilarious. You’ve never even read the details of the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 02:53 AM
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No he isn’t, that’s not even what the courts determined. That said I don’t think we’re allowed to discuss politics like this here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 10:38 PM
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It’s more like 1 out of a million have shit toothpaste, but social media tells you it’s 500,000 out of every million. Nobody is saying you can’t properly vet people, just don’t take a negative view towards most members of that group if it’s not even close to the majority of members. It would be ridiculous to say you have a negative view of cookies in general because some cookies taste bad. I absolutely love cookies, but some cookies aren’t good. That doesn’t mean it’s reasonable for me to start …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 08:33 PM
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It’s fine that it’s a natural reaction, but that doesn’t mean we ought act with our most base impulses and then assume every or even a significant amount one cats will scratch you. Should they then have a negative view of cats in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:57 PM
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They have to meet the man that they wants bar, not just any man. They’re not able to meet that guys bar, hence why they’re complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:31 PM
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I understand that personal experiences may heavily influence people’s perceptions, but we have to be aware of our own cognitive biases. You can’t then turn that experience into a generalization of an entire group, that just makes things worse for you. For example, A woman may really want marriage, but allowing one or two negative experiences with a guy to poison her perception of all men may then lead to her never accomplishing that life goal of finding a marriage and starting a family, leading …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:31 PM
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Thats literally my point, most women aren’t even meeting the bar they tend to have for men given the statistics. In general they’re fatter, less mentally stable, more unhappy, more neurotic, hold much more debt, do less work, make less money, and so on. When they say “most men don’t meet the bar”, it’s a moot statement because most women don’t meet their bar either, and seem to be doing much worse than men. Obviously the bar is technically individual to the person, but there are general markers …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:12 PM
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That’s great so how do most men not meet the bar and women do? The entire conversation is about women saying men aren’t meeting the bar whereas they are, but the statistics don’t back this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:48 PM
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Yeah the implication was why I brought up the abuse statistics. It’s commonly thought that women face the majority of violence, at least if we’re comparing between the genders, but that’s not nearly as far of a gap as people believe Even rape is much closer than commonly believed when we actually count men being forced to penetrate as rape (it doesnt count as rape both legally in many states, and in most stats if a woman climbs on a man and forces him to penetrate her). We just take it more seri…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:35 PM
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So what’s the bar then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:29 PM
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Okay so do men? Everybody has negative experiences with the other sex, not sure what the point is here. Doesn’t mean stereotyping and generalizing is okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:13 PM
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That doesn’t really answer what the bar is for you nor if most women meet it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:12 PM
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I’ll just handle this in the other comment since I was just gonna ask what the bar is and no reason to be redundant and ask it in two separate comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:01 PM
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Just because SOME do doesn’t mean most do. Nobody’s saying exceptions don’t apply. This goes both ways for men and women, some beautiful women might like obese basement lords, doesn’t mean most do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 06:00 PM
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That depends on what the bar is for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:59 PM
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Just a friendly reminder that abuse rates are about 50:50 between the sexes. Most abuse situations are mutual abuse with both partners abusing the other, but in non mutual abuse (one partner abusing the other innocent party), the woman was the perpetrator 70% of the time. The battered wife huddled in the corner stereotype we always see is actually the other way around. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1854883/
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:58 PM
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Probably because you’re looking at social media and assuming misogyny is more popular than it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:54 PM
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That’s fine as long as you don’t complain that the bar is in hell. And what is it with you assuming I’m talking about you specifically and not the women complaining that men need to do better or that the bar is in hell? If you’re not doing that then this isn’t about you personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:53 PM
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Again literally NOBODY said otherwise. I’m not sure why you’re acting like I’m telling you to get into a mediocre relationship if you don’t want one. If you’re not an ideal women why would you ever expect your ideal man?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:52 PM
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Again, that’s fine, just don’t complain that the bar is in hell if you don’t even meet the bar yourself. Why expect a man to make you happy if you’re not willing to make him happy too?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:51 PM
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Nobody said she can’t try, I just said it’s hypocritical to complain that she can’t find her Prince Charming and that men need to be better when she’s out there behaving and looking like the wicked witch of the west. Prince Charming wants a princess, not a beast.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:50 PM
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That’s fine, they can stay single all they want just don’t complain that the bar is in hell when theyre not adding to the man’s happiness either. Thats my entire point. Its some women complaining for men to “do better and add to their happiness” not realizing they have nothing about themselves that would add to the man’s happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:48 PM
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We all understand it. Yes, we’ve all heard the argument that you’d rather be single than in a bad relationship. That doesn’t mean you wouldn’t want to be in a good relationship instead of being single. Literally the entire reason they’d be complaining about men is BECAUSE they’re unhappy. People that are happily single aren’t complaining about not being in a relationship, they’d just be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:46 PM
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You’re proving my point. They want an ideal man for their ideal relationship, but they can’t get it, hence why they’re complaining. They’re not ideal women complaining they don’t have an ideal man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:45 PM
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Okay? You can always find an exception, that doesn’t make it a rule. I don’t know what it is with you guys in acting like your one one off example disproves the other vast majority of cases. It’s not a good argument, stop using it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 05:44 PM
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Yeah. While social shame does effect men, I think it tends to effect women a little harder (men are more disagreeable, obviously women more agreeable), so they may couch their more “societally unfavorable” views to avoid that. Exceptions apply of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:56 PM
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It’s insane, I’ve even had times here I’m the one that has a problem with something she did, then she starts crying and I have to comfort her even though she’s the one who did something wrong! I’m even fine with this trade off, to be clear. I’m fine with being the “rock” of the relationship, and I understand she’s gonna be a little more emotional, that’s mostly biological. It’s just the audacity for some to then claim that it’s US that have issues after we’re doing something for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:53 PM
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Women are absolutely afraid to approach, what are you talking about? The only frequent explanations I’ve heard are they’re either too shy, or they’re concerned for their safety. Both of those stem from fear of either rejection, violence, or shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:18 PM
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You’d have to show me the study, and define what “emotional intelligence” means. Also, you’re not reading the data I gave. Men DONT avoid chores altogether. They just do less of them when they work more hours. When they work similar hours to their women, it’s almost the same (women technically do 1 more hour of work total, but they both do nearly 50 hours a week and this likely excludes male focused work like DIY or outdoor work like cutting grass).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:58 PM
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Okay but even if I grant your premises that just makes things even, so there’s no moral superiority here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:55 PM
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Wouldn’t she be doing chores whether she has a partner or not? Also no this isn’t true. Men tend to work longer hours when they’re married. If I had to guess, it’s because when you have a child or have to support another person (your wife or child), you want to make more money for them. They’re not working for themselves, they’re working for their wives and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:54 PM
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Which is why they have higher rates of social anxiety, higher levels of neuroticism, are much more afraid of approaching, and so on? I can believe women are better socializing to people they’re not attracted to, but I’m not so sure of this when it comes to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:52 PM
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From what I’ve seen data on (and some anecdotal evidence), women tend to want a man who is willing to protect (just the willingness to protect is fine even if they fail in protecting them), and they want a man who makes the same or more money than them. I’ve also seen that women tend to choose a man with the same or greater educational status as them. It’s unclear whether or not this is an actual draw to men with a similar or higher educational status, or just a result of people with higher educ…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 03:50 PM
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I’m comparing it to both, hence why I brought them up in my original post.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:21 PM
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Right so like seeing who’s going to abuse you or have mental problems or emotional? Like the things I linked in my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:44 PM
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Obviously looks always matter, but I almost never hear the word “virtue” listed here. Wife material is a woman that is virtuous. She’s good, caring, kind, loving, patient, creates peace, gives to those that need it, and so on. I’d say “husband material” men are similar, but the virtues may be different from the wife usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:17 PM
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That’s why I’m making the post. It’s to show that women aren’t meeting the standards they seem to have for men, and that they’re not going to get what they want without either lowering them, or meeting their own standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:14 PM
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I said “what are they providing that men aren’t”. Men provide all of those too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:12 PM
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Anger is included under neuroticism, women are still more neurotic overall. Why is the man expected now to put in more hours of effort than the woman, by the way? That was literally the entire complaint. If your guy is working way more hours to put food on the table, do the chores and cook the food he paid for.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:11 PM
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But somehow there’s an overflow of amazing women, even given the statistics I’ve shown that dictate otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:06 PM
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Right, almost every woman is perfect and amazing and almost every guy can’t even meet a bar in hell. Remind me of the obesity stats I posted again?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:04 PM
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Well firstly you have to pass the looks barrier. This is fine if you’re an above average woman looking for an above average man, but much different if you’re obese or something. The looks filter is the first thing, THEN that stuff starts mattering.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:03 PM
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And women commit the vast majority of child abuse and infanticides, by that logic should we not leave children around them?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 05:01 PM
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So you wouldn’t say “men need to do better”, or “the bar is in hell” since you can just improve to meet the standards the man you want wants? That’s my entire point. It’s hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:10 AM
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Then don’t complain that he’s not doing enough chores because you decided the walls need to be cleaned up every weekend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:09 AM
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We’re not. These women aren’t in the competition at all, that’s why they’re complaining. They can’t actually get the men they want to date them, otherwise they wouldn’t be saying the bar is in hell and men need to meet it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:08 AM
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This applies to both parties because those women aren’t getting selected by the women they want, hence why they’re complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:38 PM
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This isn’t a valid response to all of the data that I’ve given to show that if men are mediocre, women are even more so, or at least not any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:37 PM
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If they truly were happy single and didn’t desire a relationship, we wouldn’t hear them complaining about the bar being in hell or men needing to do better so they can date them. These women are clearly unhappy and want a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:34 PM
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In general I would agree, though this also means men won’t have as many relationships either. I’d rather have these people, men and women, recognize where they do need to improve and turn the lens on themselves a little so they don’t live lonely and unfulfilling lives. I want them to be happy and have a fulfilling life and marriage. I get frustrated with these people sometimes, but they’re often hurt in some way and I’d rather them heal, just in a productive way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:32 PM
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Then they shouldn’t also be complaining that “the bar is in hell”, and should instead “do better” to bring themselves to the standards of the amazing man they want. Life isn’t fair after all!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:31 PM
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So these women shouldn’t complain about men not meeting their standards then, right? They shouldn’t complain about the bar being in hell because they can “either do better or go without”? 🤷‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:29 PM
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Then why would women ever be complaining if it “didn’t matter”? Why do we hear how the bar is in hell and men need to do better? After all, everyone’s free to make their own standards. Why don’t these women improve themselves to meet the standards of the men they want? I’ve asked this question multiple times and haven’t gotten an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:27 PM
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They’re complaining about many things, and no, many women aren’t good at that either. They display much higher levels of social anxiety than men too. I’d like them to look at a mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:26 PM
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Then why are they complaining that the bar is in hell?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:24 PM
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It seems like doing better would help women too, because then they’d get the amazing man they’re after instead of complaining that the bar is in hell if that’s the logic we want to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:23 PM
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They can either lower their standards or elevate themselves to meet them. Don’t demand a fit man if you’re obese. Don’t demand “emotional intelligence” if you don’t have control over your own emotions. Don’t demand he “do more chores” if he’s working more paid hours than you. You get the idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:22 PM
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I want to be a father. Primarily I’m religious, so fundamentally the goal is to get closer to Christ alongside my wife. Were called to “love our wives as Christ loved the church”, so that encapsulates how I’d like to behave. Obviously I won’t be perfect, but that’s the goal. I lead, but I have a duty to not be a tyrant. My duties are to act with virtue. I ought be willing to protect my wife, to not slander her or be an adulterer, it’s my responsibility to take her out on dates and plan them, it’…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:19 PM
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That’s all I’m asking for when I say “do better”. We ought to extend this to women too if we’re going to do so for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:06 PM
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I’m gonna ask for the third time, why can’t these women get the amazing guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:05 PM
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I somewhat agree and have heard data to suggest that, but that being said I don’t necessarily agree with the presumption relationships aren’t extremely important to many people. For me it’s one of my life goals, there would definitely be something missing if I didn’t have that. Not to say I’d be depressed and moping but I think it’s a valid want for many people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:04 PM
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I’m actually fine with us all doing better and prefer it even, but it has to go both ways at the very least. I don’t actually think “men are magnificent and can do no wrong”, never once said that. I just don’t think men are unable to meet a “bar that’s in hell” created by women that can’t meet that bar themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:00 PM
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I’m gonna ask again, why can’t the women saying this find a guy that meets their “bar that’s in hell”?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:58 PM
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But they’re not getting the results they want, otherwise they wouldn’t be complaining that the bar is in hell and that men need to do better so they can date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:57 PM
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And are those women great themselves? Ought they be a great woman to meet a great guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:56 PM
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I actually think it’s a minority of women that say this, my concern is just that it’s a growing trend and will be a bigger problem in the future, and I think it’s more socially acceptable for women to display this type of behavior than it is for men. I’d have to imagine it’s mostly online paranoia from these women and they’re parroting what other people on social media say (similar to red pillers stating all women are promiscuous and going for chad). These women need to actually unplug from the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:54 PM
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I actually agree, it would be more accurate for my title to have been “men do not need to do better in comparison to women to find a partner, women ought to lower their standards or do better themselves”, but that’s a little too wordy. I generally agree though that people should strive to do better and improve and be virtuous no matter what; I’m mostly just speaking in the dating context and relative to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:49 PM
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It doesn’t follow that because you don’t have to do something that you shouldn’t do that thing. I’m not obligated to help the homeless but I ought to. Either way, you stating this kind of gets us nowhere in society and doesn’t exactly move along the discussion nor does it improve anything so I don’t see the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:46 PM
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So in other words if a woman is discontent with their life and their inability to find a man to meet their standards, it’s prudent for them to “do better” to be able to pull the guy who does meet them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:44 PM
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Then why do they have similar loneliness rates? Why are women complaining that “the bar is in hell” and that they can’t find a guy that meets their standards if they don’t have issues with relationships? Why can’t those women get the guy that DOES meet their standards? Why can’t they get the guy who’s fit, confident, emotionally intelligent, high earning, and so on to commit to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:43 PM
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Women are absolutely complaining, lmao. Firstly they actually show similar loneliness rates, secondly if they’re complaining about men “not meeting standards”, it clearly shows they have a problem with relationships and can’t find one. My argument is that they ought to look at theirselves first before complaining about men “not meeting the bar”.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:41 PM
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I didn’t ask if they had to, I said SHOULD they.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:25 PM
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Exceptions always exist. Most men don’t find obese women attractive, same with women and obese men. Go talk to formerly obese women who have lost weight and ask how they were treated. I guarantee many of them will say something like “I was invisible before, now I have doors held open for me, get asked out, etc”.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:24 PM
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It’s where the trend appears to be going given the lower levels of relationships, marriage, birth rates, virginity levels are rising, views of the opposite sex have gotten more negative (primarily women to men). I don’t see how this gets better carrying on as we are, or pretending like nothing is going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:23 PM
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Should women also strive to do better?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:20 PM
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You think emotional intelligence is crying more which is ridiculous. Did you even read my post? I said the exact opposite. Also I had more success on dating apps when I was unemployed. So this women are only after successful chads is just wrong. I never said they were, and your personal anecdote is not a defeated to actual statistics. We all know outliers exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:19 PM
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Well that doesn’t exactly make for an interesting discussion to just ignore problems. Kind of the entire point of this subreddit is to debate topics surrounding dating. In my personal life I always strive to behave with virtue and better myself regardless, but I don’t think it’s good for people to have delusional standards, or for men to simply think they’ll never be good enough or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 04:17 PM
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I literally posted the source in my comment, that isn’t true. Men want marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:49 PM
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Because that trend is starting to change? We have more single people than ever and men and women are starting to hate each other and the problem will be worse if we don’t work on it now?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:47 PM
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No, this isn’t true either, or at least it’s very misleading. While women technically do more housework, men do more paid work. 55% of married men do 3-15 more hours of work than their wives if we add up all of the paid work + housework/childcare. These are men that are breadwinners. In egalitarian relationships, that’s about 30%, women technically do 1 more total hour of work than men out of an entire weeks work, not significant at all. The only relationships where women do substantially more h…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:07 PM
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I’ll copy/paste my sources that debunks everything you said that I made on another post. No, they’re not providing the same, men want children and marriage more than women do, men are NOT catching up to women’s fatness, they’re almost 2x as likely to be severely obese than men (even saying “catching up” acknowledges they’re more fat), women are not more likely to protect, you made that up. Obesity: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db508.htm Mental illness rates: https://www.mentalhea…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:02 PM
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Yeah I want an actual answer instead of just vaguely going “well it’s something haha”. If you literally can’t think of one single thing then that says it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:58 PM
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Quote where I said “how people feel about it isn’t the truth”. I said their perceptions about the persons intentions might be wrong but the feelings of them being hurt are real. I said this multiple times so I want you to quote me. I am not sure why you’re just ignoring this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:57 PM
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Nope. Women are more obese, have higher rates of mental illness, see men less positively than men see women, still want the man to provide and protect, they’re less likely to say they want to have children than men so pregnancy is hardly an excuse now, and they’re less likely to want to get married, so “men just don’t commit” isn’t true either. Sources because everyone usually thinks I make this all up Obesity: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db508.htm Mental illness rates: https://…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:50 PM
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But what are women giving though? There’s this idea here that the women are just doing better and men need to get on their level. What exactly are women providing here that men aren’t? They don’t want children, they’re more obese than men are, they still want the man to provide and protect, they have far higher rates of mental illness, they see men far less positively than men see women, I could go on. These are all just things statistics show too, there’s plenty of anecdotes about them being mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:37 PM
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For the FOURTH TIME. NOBODY is denying that you have the feeling and are hurt. What we are saying is that it’s based on an inaccurate presumption that he intentionally did it. True: you feel hurt by what he did False: you believe he intended to hurt you I am not sure why this is so hard or why I’ve had to repeat it 4 times.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 02:21 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:08 PM
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For the third time, I didn’t say they couldn’t. I’m not sure why you keep acting like I’m saying they can’t. Nobody is saying you can’t FEEL that way. That does not mean that the way you feel is based on the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 12:07 PM
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Being chivalrous isn’t simping. Have a disagreeable temperament, learn how to lead, act with virtue, and usually women will acquiesce to your life plan and follow in my experience. Probably not popular to say amongst either red pillers or blue pillers here, but it’s the truth in my experience. Be a leader, be assertive and don’t simply agree with the woman just because you’re afraid of offending her, be chivalrous because you ought to be virtuous (most women want their Prince Charming), and they…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:06 PM
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I can agree with this. Many women in my experience are incredibly attracted to men who know how to lead and display chivalry/protectiveness, and have a reasonably disagreeable temperament. The problem is many (both men and women) conflate this with being a domineering tyrant, which just isn’t the same. I don’t know why so many people fail to understand that there’s more options between than being a pushover or a tyrannical ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:02 PM
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Truth isn't relative... obviously. But your perception of reality doesn't mean your perception of the truth is the correct one. What? This is the biggest nothing statement I’ve ever read. Whether or not the guy intended to “step on their foot” to use your example is absolutely a matter of truth, nothing to do with anybody’s perception of what happened. And also, with the reality. A person's feelings are still REAL even if the other person never intended anything bad Again, literally NOBODY is de…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:57 PM
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Truth isn’t relative. How you FEEL about the truth might be subjective, but the truth itself isn’t subjective. Two entirely separate things and it’s important to make that distinction. To give an example, you may FEEL a man intended to be disrespectful by saying something, but that doesn’t mean he in truth did intend to be disrespectful. I’m not just splitting hairs arbitrarily, this is important. In this example, if we say truth is relative and that we have different realities, the woman may th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 12:16 PM
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I won’t say most women are selfish or something, but I do agree most just pay lip service to feminism in my experience, if they even think about it at all. Almost every women I’ve seen is attracted to men who are confident and charismatic and are able to lead. It’s not politically correct to say that on Reddit, but in my experience many women really want to be led, and they seem to acquiesce to a guys plan for life instead of the inverse. They basically choose a support role. Almost all of them …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:33 PM
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20-28 age range in VA, in a city. Don’t want to say more because I’m paranoid of reddit psychos. Most people are average and okay, it’s just strange to me that the most undesirable seem to have the highest standards. Again, this is just anecdotal though. To be clear, I think this is less of an issue than people here tend to think, but I do think it’s a growing trend.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:28 PM
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You’re taking me a little too literally here, it’s a stand in for a high value man, I just hate using that term. 6’5 finance and blue eyes was a trendy meme about the type of man that a woman wants. Basically just means a really fucking rich and attractive guy with a high social standing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:02 PM
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By pulled do you mean “they nutted inside her”? We all know many guys will have sex with anything, doesn’t mean they want to date them. Also anecdotally on apps, it’s mostly been women that are overweight with a bunch of filters, or outright mutants that make these demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:38 PM
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Maybe that it’s really fucking unlikely that you’ll get a guy that’s 6’5 6 pack blue eyes in finance or whatever, so you shouldn’t expect it if you want a reasonable chance of having a relationship, at least not without ensuring you’re also capable of meeting that persons likely very high standards. I don’t think most men or women think like this, but for those that are terminally online, it needs to be acknowledged what “average” actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 04:13 PM
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No it isn’t. Somehow, you guys conveniently miss that fathers work more hours on average than mothers, and make more money, making up for the difference in childcare. They’re “socially expected” to handle the majority of the child rearing because they literally have to take off work because their bodies need to recover, they need to breastfeed, and so it ends up making more sense for the woman to be the one to stay at home instead of the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 09:46 PM
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It requires at least SOME level of humility and accountability to acknowledge you’re not perfect and ought use some improvement to yourself. I don’t see how that isn’t introspection. Just because it may have some faulty prescriptions too (which I noted I disagree with — I don’t think it helps anyone to spin plates for instance) doesn’t mean it doesn’t have some that are good and require introspection too. It’s certainly better than saying you’re perfect the way you are, and to never settle, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 01:21 AM
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It’s amazing that you say red pill advice (and I actually disagree with some of their prescriptions for what it’s worth) negates need for introspection. From what I see, red pill advice is generally to say that women want a confidence attractive high status man, so you ought to take steps to become that. Meaning go to the gym, eat right, get a high paying career, work on your social anxiety, etc. Women’s advice tends to be “never settle, know your worth, you’re beautiful as you are, be picky, et…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 03:29 PM
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Do not spout the woke bullshit if you don’t actually believe it. Women, in my experience, tend to find authenticity attractive ESPECIALLY when it’s in disagreement with them. Many of them want to be led, and that requires that you don’t say things you don’t believe to avoid hurting them. I’ll probably get a lot of pushback from feminists here, but they’re the minority and tend to be more disagreeable than the average woman. Don’t take on responsibility that isn’t yours, but leadership requires r…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:38 PM
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I don’t think persecution is a necessary precursor for this to work though. People will usually follow social messaging, they want to follow trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:49 PM
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I don’t think there’s any studies on it but I highly doubt this is the case for most women even with degrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:24 AM
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I can’t remember where, but I saw data that showed what made Israel (another country too, but I forgot which) unique with maintaining high birth rates while having high amounts of women in the workforce/education (strongest correlate to low birth rates) was an almost obsessive emphasis on motherhood and family. In other words, no compulsion is needed, just change the social messaging. Propaganda is far more effective than people believe, and it is not always bad. Put out massive amounts of it to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 07:36 PM
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Most women in my experience want to take their husbands last name and still want tradition and courtship. It’s just a loud vocal minority online that don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 07:30 PM
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There’s a huge replication issue too. I think around 50% of sociological studies couldn’t be replicated or something, it’s insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 06:07 PM
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No, it’s not a guess. Neuroticism is literally the metric for emotional stability. If it’s a higher number, you have less emotional stability. Women have higher neuroticism levels, therefore they have less emotional stability. I’m not sure what you don’t understand about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 07:10 PM
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That’s not really an apt description of neuroticism. I didn’t even call neuroticism an emotion, it’s a trait that characterizes your emotional stability. It’s not an emotion at all. If you have higher levels of neuroticism, it means you’re less emotionally stable. Women tend to have higher neuroticism levels on average. Do you disagree with any of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 05:20 PM
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What do you think neuroticism is?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 03:21 PM
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No, men tend to engage in more risky and violent behavior. I already agree with you. See how easy that is for me to say? I’m not sure why it’s so easy for us to accept that men may be predisposed towards certain traits, but not for women. Women tend to have less emotional control overall, the data shows that. We need to be aware of this instead of denying it so that we can properly provide the necessary care for women. Don’t know why you’re so upset by this, it’s just the truth. Men and women bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 02:48 PM
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3149680/#sec13 “ Consistent with previous findings, women scored higher than men in Neuroticism and in both of its aspects, Withdrawal and Volatility,”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:44 PM
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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3149680/#sec13 “ Consistent with previous findings, women scored higher than men in Neuroticism and in both of its aspects, Withdrawal and Volatility,” It does state there is some evidence to suggest that men are more prone to anger, but overall, women tend to be more emotional. I’m not saying it to make women look bad, this is just factual. I’m not sure why we’re so willing to acknowledge when men have bad traits (we can be more dangerous), but we go ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:43 PM
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Because people have societally expected duties? Men have some, women have almost none that I can think of. Women want a man that provides for them. Even if she makes money, they’ll only date men that make at least the same, but usually higher. They also want a man that protects them. This is something a large majority of society expects of men. Women have no expectations exclusive to them. It used to be things like the raising of children, but that’s no longer the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:33 PM
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Again, women have higher neuroticism levels on average. IM not even sure that men are quicker to anger. It’s probably more likely that people just notice it more because men are more dangerous when we’re angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:31 PM
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Yes they are, they have higher neuroticism levels in average. Im not sure why you just ignored this. Overall, women have a tougher time managing their emotions. That’s just a well studied fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 07:30 PM
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Because those men are probably frustrated that women have no duties to their men (duties exclusive to the women) while the men do have duties to their women that are exclusive to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 12:04 AM
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I’m not sure why you guys can’t comprehend that there (may) be some situations where men are more emotional, but that women are more emotional overall. We already know women have much higher neuroticism levels on average. This would be an outlier situation for men, if this is even an accurate assessment (I’m not sure it’s even true that men want to date women more than men want them, but it’s irrelevant I guess).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 12:03 AM
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He didn’t, the guy just said it descriptively to a woman who said that was an outdated mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 12:01 AM
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Okay let's say I grant that it's a pattern. I don't think it is, but let's say I do for the sake of argument and we'll see where it goes. What's the prescription here? Should women behave any differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 08:04 PM
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An asymmetry between two different groups doesn't mean that there's a pattern. If there was a pattern, you'd expect it to be a significant portion of men that were guilty of this. It's a few thousand compared to tens of millions in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 07:19 PM
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So I’m not saying there aren’t bad actors that lie and “game the system”, what I’m saying is the idea that there’s no good men within hundreds is insanity. The distinction is important because it means different prescriptions are needed for each set of problems. If it’s the case that all of these men are just no good and all women are wonderful specimens, then the prescription would be that women should stop dating until men get better. I reject this idea because it’s highly unlikely that there’…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:35 PM
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No, it’s about averages. The average man actually does more than 40 hours of paid work. Again, in 55% of relationships, the man is doing 3-15 more hours on average. You’re just bringing up exceptions to the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:28 PM
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Even if I granted that most people live in apartments, you’re still ignoring that most relationships have the man putting in more hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:05 PM
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This guy did it which I was referring to. He set up a fake account with his friends picture and received 1000 likes within hours. https://x.com/MurrayHillGuy1/status/2018349294927917157 The girl is pretty attractive, still grant you that. However, he also made her fat and received 300 likes within ten hours before he got banned. https://x.com/MurrayHillGuy1/status/2019019195355144672 I have also personally seen my sister make a tinder account just to see. She didn’t post a single picture, just h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 01:04 PM
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Yes, I’m talking about all hours. Specifically, paid work, childcare, and housework. Things like DIY, driving, and yard work weren’t actually factored into the study either, so it’s likely the hours are even higher since those are typically more male coded. Male primary and sole breadwinners typically do 3-15 more hours of overall work than their wives, and that represents 55% of relationships. Female breadwinners represent 15%, and you see more substantially more hours there too than their husb…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:10 AM
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How do you even know? You don’t have your own children. Do you do anything in life that isn’t blind hedonism? Do you have any goals for something that’s difficult to accomplish, but is fulfilling in the long run?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 04:04 AM
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Are you seriously complaining because you have to do some extra fucking chores? Is this seriously where society is right now? This is exactly what I mean by blind hedonism. You’re refusing to see the long term fulfillment that comes with a family because… you have more chores.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:18 PM
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this is the new data that just came out and I haven’t read it yet. I can’t speak to it yet, but I probably will at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:16 PM
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I mean again, I’m not denying that you’re going to have a few idiots when you’re got 1000 likes, that’s unavoidable. What I’m questioning is how the hell 1000 men are somehow all beneath the woman. The math just doesn’t add up there. If you literally cannot find one single person out of 1000, that’s more likely on you and not the 1000 people. If you’re walking down the road and you smell dogshit, there’s probably dogshit on the side of the road. If everywhere you walk smells like dogshit, it’s t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:04 PM
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Let’s try this a different way. What standards do you think men are failing to meet? Please be specific, it’s hard to work with something like “just be a good person”.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 10:01 PM
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I mean why wouldn’t the numbers be relevant here? In theory by this logic, if 1 women murdered a man and 2 men murdered women, would we then say that there’s a pattern? I’d assume you’d say no. We’re talking about a tiny, tiny fraction of people here. We can’t make societal prescriptions based on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:20 PM
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Yeah that’s fair, just wanted a gauge on it before I read it. Appreciate it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:17 PM
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Wow dude, you really got me with your own assumption of my answer before you'd even asked me the fucking question. Wait so was I wrong? Do you actually think it’s fine for a brother to fuck his sister?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:16 PM
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Sorry I’ll do better next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:15 PM
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Once again, if you can’t find one single guy out of hundreds, that’s more than likely on you. Do you think the vast majority of women are just better than the vast majority of men or something? At what? They’re more obese than men, they don’t make as much money, they don’t even put in more total hours of work than them (only in 15% of relationships is this the case), they don’t initiate contact at all, they don’t do any sort of courting, what exactly am I missing then, if it’s not misaligned sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:13 PM
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I don’t think that’s what’s best for society. I’m actually not a utilitarian at all, I’m a Christian and I operate under that framework. I usually just use “what’s best for society” since that’s typically what I and atheists can at least agree on without flipping the conversation to meta ethics since nobody wants to go through that. I then typically lay down my case for why I think it’s better for society, but I usually want to find some sort of common ground with the person first so we can unde…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:09 PM
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Good god you’re such a queen did you know that? 👸 <—— that’s you
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:06 PM
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Yup, ironically doing the exact same thing the study was saying is a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:03 PM
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The oppression is trying to coerce everyone into following your retarded life script based on you narcissistically thinking your opinion should determine the life paths and outcomes for millions of people instead of allowing people to choose and prioritize their own values and happiness when they're not impeding on other people's rights and freedoms by doing so Wait if morality is subjective and my definition of what’s good for society is entirely different from yours, then how is your argument …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 07:57 PM
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What does this have to do with anything that I said? I didn’t even appeal to God in my original post. No, “be fruitful and multiply” does not mean “go have sex with everybody”. You can start a family and get married without having to take 50 miles of dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 07:48 PM
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No, any man who says that is a moron with no self control. God also considers premarital sex a sin. No arguing from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 07:21 PM
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That’s what I thought lmao, you don’t want to answer. Unlike you, I care about women so i advocate for policies that protect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:01 PM
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I mean if you can’t find a single thing that you like that’s on you at some point. Decent looking women can get 1000 likes in a day (just saw a post about this on Hinge, he even did an overweight girl and that profile got 300 likes within a few hours). If you literally cannot find one single guy out of hundreds, the problem is probably with your misaligned standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:55 PM
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Firstly, you’re missing an extra moral dimension, that being whether or not we should do what’s best for society. Consent is needed, but it’s not the ONLY moral value here. If hookup culture is worse for society, then id argue that creates a moral reason to put a stop to it. Prescriptively, I wouldn’t advocate that we create laws that prevent people from hooking up (exceptions might apply in certain circumstances - I’m certainly in favor of incest laws for example), but I do advocate for societa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:49 PM
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Then restate it so I can understand it better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 02:09 PM
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How in the hell would that be a pattern? This is literally around 2,000 men. There are tens of millions of men, but for some reason you’re acting as if a few thousand show a pattern. The pattern should be the thing that’s MOST likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 02:09 PM
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So the perspective I’m coming from is as someone who’s very traditional. I’m not really the type of person that values pure hedonistic sex or anything like that, I want to start a family and be with a person that I love. Would you say that book is helpful for that? I don’t see how it wouldn’t, but the first assumption a lot of people make is that this type of stuff is just for having a ton of blind sex. Also yeah I’ll shoot you a DM
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 02:02 PM
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I saw this come out a few days ago but haven’t read about it yet. My understanding is their methodology changed, and now all of a sudden men being made to penetrate is somehow nonexistent. I have to read more on it though to have a better opinion, but I’m heavily skeptical of this given the data on the prior surveys.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:59 PM
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Well that’s the case for any relationship lol not much to go off of with that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:56 PM
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You’ve also posted multiple other comments, which I was responding to. You said it was a pattern; that’s what I’m contending with. I’m not denying that more men kill women than the inverse, I’m denying the part where you claimed it is a pattern. One is just a strict brute fact; the other has prescriptions baked into it, that being women should see a pattern that men murder women, and behave accordingly. I do not see this as an actual pattern, and so the prescription is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:55 PM
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Yeah that was my understanding. Have you read The Rational Male? I tend to stay away from stuff like this, but there’s also TONS of people that just lie about what these things are. Just curious since I’ve been looking for more things to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:53 PM
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I highly doubt this. I guess I haven’t looked at stats for swinging specifically, but from my understanding, most open relationships end up terribly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:50 PM
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Okay so is it stupid to generalize tens of millions of men based on a couple thousand that murder women? Should we then say it’s a pattern that men murder women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:49 PM
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If blind hedonistic sex was bad for society should it be encouraged or discouraged?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:48 PM
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As for what happens in real life, your perspective is shaped by the fact that you (presumably) date women. Your experience that it can be miserable to deal with women doesn't establish that it can't be equally miserable to deal with men. I’m not saying that women don’t deal with miserable men; clearly they do. What I’m saying is we all seem completely okay with calling out these miserable men, but we seem much less okay with calling out women for the bad behaviors that they exhibit. I think we o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:48 PM
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It’s not a gotcha, it’s an internal critique because you said you weren’t concerned with “good if the world” notions; that’s clearly not true. Upon digging into your worldview, you actually are concerned with it. It would logically follow that things that are bad for society shouldn’t be encouraged.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:44 PM
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Because it’s not actually a pattern to take the actions of a few thousand bad actors, and to then extrapolate that to tens of millions of people. It’s stupid. The pattern would be the exact opposite; that the vast majority of men DON’T engage in that type of behavior. It may be accurate to say more women murder women than the inverse, but that is not the same as saying “it’s a pattern that men murder women”. Not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:41 PM
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True according to the survey, but this is only for MTP, not for male rape (being penetrated) or serious sexual assault. It does not mean that women are the majority of perpetrators of all serious sexual assault against men.Most male-on-male rape occurs in prisons, jails, and assault situations outside this MTP category. Yes it does say this, because men being forced to penetrate is far more common than being raped by other men. This is reflected in the stats. 340,000 were raped within the 12 mon…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:40 PM
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Is your fucking argument that men and women get raped at similar rates, but it’s worse when it happens to women based off of how women subjectively report their traumas? And yes, it IS because of feminists. Mary P Koss, the most cited women in all of feminist literature, is the woman who came up with this definition. She literally has audio of her explaining how men can’t be raped by women, or something to that effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:31 PM
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Can you actually answer my question though? Is it stupid to generalizes tens of millions or not? And you’re not going to get pushback from me by saying fathers should be involved. I actually advocate that we bring back laws that force fathers to care for their children beyond just child support (I’m sure exceptions would apply).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:26 PM
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Because it makes society worse to beat women, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:00 PM
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I’ll warn you, from what I’ve seen there is SOME crossover between the two; he’s not exactly pro marriage in this day and age, but to my understanding there are some relevant distinctions and he has more nuanced views than others. He’s married as well for what it’s worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:59 PM
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That’s fine then, I just don’t want them near my babies for the first year or so of their life then. Is this an okay mindset to have, or is it actually just fucking stupid to generalize tens of millions of people based on the actions of a couple thousand at best?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:57 PM
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Do you guys honestly feel that there’s no meaningful difference between an orgasm with someone who you’re never going to meet again versus something like getting married and starting a family? We are truly cooked if this is the case. This is just demonstrating my point for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:54 PM
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Well, no you don’t operate under that standard. Someone might find pleasure in beating the shit out of women, but I’m sure you’d be against that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:52 PM
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Yes actually, I always have data. In fact, if you look at stats, men are actually raped at the same rate as women. Shocked me too when I read it. Prison rape is actually more common amongst female inmates too (the actual inmates raping another inmate, NOT officers taking advantage of inmates). Data showing the perpetrators tend to be women: https://www.cdc.gov/nisvs/documentation/nisvsReportonSexualViolence.pdf “In the 12 months prior to taking the survey, 83.8% of make made to penetrate victims…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:39 PM
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Even if I grant that, would you not say there’s a difference in pleasure between, say, fucking someone and orgasming for 10 minutes even if it leaves you worse off long term, versus getting married and raising children to be moral agents of good in the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:37 PM
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How? What's wrong with people fucking around? Hedonism is destructive, and you will know if a tree is good by its fruits. We can literally see the “fruits” of the sexual revolution (which sprouted hookup culture). We have much higher single motherhood rates leading to children that are less educated, more poor, and more likely to be in jail. Dating is absolutely destroyed because women feel like they’re being manipulated by men for sex (typically what most people here call the top 20%), and the …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:35 PM
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I mean if you want to call it “hedonistic” in a roundabout way then go ahead, but I think there’s a clear difference between short term, fleeting and potentially self destructive pleasures vs something long lasting and fulfilling. Usually one of the biggest distinctions is that the more fulfilling things tend to take much longer, and it’s much harder work.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:29 PM
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I’m not that well versed on red pill works, but my understanding is that it initially started off exactly as this guy wrote it, as a data packet for how women tend to act and what they like (Usually Rollo Tomassi is the guy cited here). In recent years, a lot of pick up artist types have co opted it. Some agree with Rollo, others have changed into what you’re seeing. You have to understand most of these people probably didn’t start off as red pilled. They became this way due to many negative exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:27 PM
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No, most rape perpetrators against men aren’t other men. That’s only because rape is defined as being penetrated. So if a woman forces you to penetrate her, it doesn’t count as rape. When you do actually count this as rape, as it should, women are responsible for the majority of rapes against men. Edit: source since redditors are spazzing https://www.cdc.gov/nisvs/documentation/nisvsReportonSexualViolence.pdf “In the 12 months prior to taking the survey, 83.8% of make made to penetrate victims r…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:16 PM
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And women are responsible for the vast majority of infanticides. Does that mean we should now be afraid of putting our babies near any woman’s hands? I’m just observing patterns after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:14 PM
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I swear, it often feels like I’m the only one who thinks the entirety of hookup culture is fucking stupid and terrible, this applies to both men and women. I think it’s absolutely destroyed dating for both men and women. Feels like actual romance and intimacy are pushed aside for fleeting, hedonistic moments of pleasure. Not sure this is a good recipe for long term fulfillment for anyone save maybe a few.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:12 PM
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That’s great but can you actually answer my question now instead of avoiding it for the 3rd time?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:06 PM
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I don’t disagree, but we’re also on a debate subreddit where we’re more likely to see people that are especially aggrieved. I’m talking about the average situation that happens in real life. On Reddit, especially this subreddit, yeah you’re going to find some more jaded people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:05 PM
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In my opinion, just show some grace to people. Obviously I’m not talking about some idiot who sends you a picture of his dick or something, but both us men and women have absolutely destroyed our social skills with the pandemic and social media. It seems that men are more forgiving of this, whereas women can be absolutely brutal to a guy who doesn’t have them. No guy is gonna care if a woman opens up with “Hi” on a dating app or something; a lot more woman are gonna say he’s dry and boring if a …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 07:48 PM
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Nah you did. Because if you genuinely wanted to "advocate for families" you'd advocate for Medicare for all, maternity leave, a living minimum wage, affordable housing, affordable childcare, tax restructuring, you know: basic shit that would be advocating for families. Lmfao no I wouldn’t, because we have countries with damn near all of those and it hasn’t helped them whatsoever. Because our duties and responsibilities should be to those in need. Those here. Right now who exist. A sense of exist…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 07:33 PM
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Because they typically say “Sure if someone great comes along I’ll take them”.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 07:27 PM
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Maybe it will help you if I phrase it differently. What I’m saying is that people would ideally be in a relationship, but due to various factors like social media, their standards and expectations get completely misaligned, and they think the only happy relationship is with a perfect 10 with a great body that makes a bunch of money. When they inevitably don’t get that, their other options are to get in a relationship with someone that doesn’t meet those standards, or to be single. The actual pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:11 AM
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It's really a false dichotomy to say it's either blind materialism or idealized marriage and children as the virtuous other path. Plenty of ways to live ethically and improve your community and the lives of those around you without marriage or children. If you have personal moral and religious beliefs please let those be your north star, but don't mistake that as applicable to everyone else. Never gave a dichotomy. There can be people that don’t have children, I’m just saying as a societal presc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:57 AM
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The fuck are you talking about? Did you even read my post? their ideal situation would actually be to be married to a great person. Is English YOUR first language? And why Are you Typing Like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:41 AM
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Firstly, you’re missing my point which was that we need to establish relationships based off of virtues, duties, and responsibilities instead of blind materialism. If we put forth that as a societal expectation, I don’t see how it doesn’t logically follow that marriages will be founded on virtue, and so children will follow those virtues. Also, immigration isn’t going to fix it either. The vast majority of countries have below replacement birth rates except for places in Africa, and even those a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 05:52 PM
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Well for one I can go on and on about birth rates and the dangers low rates provide, but I won’t go too in depth with that. My best answer to this is that children have the capacity to be moral agents, either for good or for evil. This is ESPECIALLY so in today’s society where we have all sorts of great technology that can exponentially increase their production. If you raise a kid, and he ends up being a truck driver, that single child can transport food all across the entire country to tens of…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:54 PM
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So what I mean is they’re not seeing singleness as the peak experience; their ideal situation would actually be to be married to a great person. In the absence of the ability to find this theoretical great person/soulmate or whatever you want to call them, they prefer being single. Of course there are exceptions though. My problem is that I think people’s standards might be completely misaligned with reality, and if they’d learned to instead focus on core values and the duties/responsibilities t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:45 PM
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Did you ignore the part where I specifically said the majority of men are both making more money AND doing 3-15 more hours of housework?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 06:22 PM
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Firstly even if this were true, it would still be the case that my prescription to focus on virtue and responsibility would still be the solution. Secondly, it’s not true. 55% of relationships have a male breadwinner. In those, depending on if they’re a primary or sole breadwinner, the male does 3-15 (3 for primary, 15 for sole) more hours of work (counting paid work, childcare, and housework), than his wife. This is excluding male focused work too, like driving, yard work, DIY, etc. The only si…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 05:07 PM
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I’m not advocating for any legal changes. I’m advocating for social changes. No, we shouldn’t prescribe to people to “just do whatever you want”. That’s how you get the selfish, hedonistic, materialistic society we live in now. We should prescribe to people to do good, to be virtuous, and to strive to create a better society. I’m not sure why this is so crazy to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 04:56 PM
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I agree that media tends to overdo things for whatever purpose, that’s going to play a role. That said, I’m not sure it has to do with people being overworked. There have been people in history that have done FAR more work and they still bonded. The birth rates weren’t an anomaly; society has almost always had increasing birth rates. It’s only over the past 50 years or so that they’ve began to tank. Right now, we in the US will be unable to sustain our population and will literally die out if it…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 03:51 PM
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It’s generally about virtues in my opinion. Note that this doesn’t mean men shouldn’t have these virtues, it just means they’re generally more important for one sex than the other. Firstly, I’d imagine all the typical things we’d expect of people should apply. Be respectful, be graceful and kind, dont be lazy, don’t be materialistic, be loyal, and so on. These technically exist but I think it’s emphasized far more for men than for women. For women, I’d say some virtues tend to be things like mod…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 03:47 PM
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Yeah hook up culture and promiscuity beginning with the sexual revolution has been the absolute worse thing society has ever done for relationships imo. Absolutely despise how normalized this type of behavior is, in both men and women. We need to bring back the idea of duties and responsibilities towards one another, preferably within the confines of marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:58 PM
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Brotha is coming for them grippers lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:54 PM
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It’s hard to make generalizations especially these days, so I’ll just assume my idea of what a good woman is. One thing I really like is the softness that they can bring. It’s like having a difficult day at work, and then coming home and laying in a comfortable bed if that makes sense. It’s very comforting.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:54 PM
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But why are so many people desiring singleness now over relationships? This is a huge problem for society. Birth rates are tanking (South Korea will not exist within the next few decades), people are getting lonelier, and it is NOT a good thing to have a bunch of angry lonely young men. Happiness levels are much higher for married people (both men and women), and the idea of building a family and a legacy was a large driver for people to be productive, virtuous members of society. I also don’t w…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:49 PM
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I’m fine with this, but I wish this message was more common for its female equivalent. We should prescribe that both men and women have duties to fulfill towards society and one another. I don’t see that prescription stated for women nearly as much as it is for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:43 PM
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Ehh, I don’t think we can discount the level of delusion many people have nowadays about these kinds of women. I think there’s far more acceptance, and even praise, of that type of woman (the fat ugly single mother) than there’s ever been for their male equivalent. Social media plays a massive role in this too in shaping people’s perceptions. I think it leads to a situation where these women feel as if they have no need to improve and that men need to rise to their misaligned standards instead o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:41 PM
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