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Only good thing of this is that probably this system is unsustainable, but sadly the state and homelessness are too scary yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:01 PM
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It is just another legal construction to make men pay and work more than women while both earn basically the same. So much "equality", sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:37 PM
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You just have to learn how to enjoy the suck and be comfortable alone Same. Make no mistake, the day I find a way to be comfortable on my own and happy without depending of a sick and decaying society, I will take it in no time and let society go to hell. But for now, I have to be a vassal of this sick civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:32 PM
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Modern women no longer need men, so when they want men, they only want the best men. Not directly, but through government and gibs women do depend on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:31 PM
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It seem both are oddly right in their own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:30 PM
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You forget that historically womens roles were set by men and they were not allowed to have those jobs. Yes, but ever wonder why was that in the first place? It seems women's equality and rights today are only sustained artificially by a network of men that keep security, law and order, and infrastructure up in the first that. Remove that, and we just return to default mode of women depending on men as 99% of history. Even supposing everything equal between men and women, such as IQ, values, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:20 PM
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I don't see many women fixing infrastructure, though. Ironically jobs being automated fastest are those spreadsheet jobs that women love, not manual labor. Don't get me wrong, I do believe women are important, but history prove women would rather be part of a harem of chad, or a patriarchy, than do those jobs themselves. In Venezuela they simply prostituted.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:10 PM
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Women have never been comfortable where they are. They are better than ever and yet they use more antidepressants than ever in the countries they are supposed to be the happiest. I believe it has something to do with hormones... you cannot have much stability if every month your hormones change significantly, and so do while being pregnant. It is not their fault either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:08 PM
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But the more immediate issue isn't the net size of the population, but the average age of the population. If fewer people have kids, the proportion of the population that is old and retired will increase, and the proportion that is young and working will decrease. More dependents, fewer works; seems like a recipe for disaster to me. Think about how bad healthcare is now. Do you think it will be better when twice as many people need it and there's half as many doctors and nurses performing it, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:06 PM
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KMS Sadly it will be the only option for childfree people that will be abandoned in nursing houses where they will be beaten, and make no mistakes, younger people will not pay for the old ass of childfree people that has nothing to do with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:05 PM
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All economic help and taxes are worthless without labor. Population will go down, money amount will stay the same, therefore it will be worth it. All money you saved having no children will be worthless. Even socialism, we need a younger working population to keep running.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:03 PM
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Imagine when all those childfree people ask for other people's children to pay for them, and younger people will be fewer, unable to pay taxes for those useless childfree old people. No, younger people will not pay for it. They would rather see us dead. Hell is just starting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:02 PM
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That will not be banned but cultures that ban or discourage it will survive. Abortion and birth control is just collective suicide at the long run. Also don't ask how will childfree will be treated when they are old. No family to care for them, they will be beaten to dead. It will be hell in slowmotion for many of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:01 PM
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Also women lose all fertility, sex appeal and most sex interest as they get old, so they are literally worthless for marriage for most men, they are just a liability.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 02:00 PM
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Why women don't want kids? Watching families with screaming ,unruly toddlers in public is truly the best birth control ever invented for free . I agree kids are not for everyone, and honestly that is why I think most of us being childfree will not be able to retire, but we will probably be euthanized. No one will want to deal or care for us as we return to childish mind. Government will want us dead and so will other people's children.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:59 PM
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Because we have the choice to fucking not to. Remember to take your antidepressants as women are the greatest users of them. You are so happy, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:54 PM
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They pick the cream of the crop, get pumped and dumped then repeat. aLl mEn arE pIgS Please government, tax other men to subvention my spreadsheet job and pay for my bastards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:52 PM
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So next up : matriarchy Women are not sustaining civilization, though. They are just running on the ruins of patriarchy and the state serving as their husband. We see how infrastructure is decaying and men not working, and it will only get worse. Considering all tech and automation cannot even go against that, "matriarchy" is a lie. Matriarchy was never a real thing in any important civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:51 PM
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We are simply returning to our base nature thanks to feminism, birth control, Tinder, and the sexual revolution. This is the natural state of humans that was repressed by religion and societal pressure, we are animals and are returning to our roots. This comment is nonsense. Tinder and Birth control is not returning to the natural or animal, it is fighting nature because now there is no reason to stay with another person if there is no babies. Also all supposed benefits of such market, such as h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:49 PM
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If that is true, then civilization itself is not sustainable. I don't think women want to live in a non-civilized environment, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:46 PM
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more women are getting stds than men. Only thing that makes me smile out of all this. Let's pray those STDs make them sterile for good.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:44 PM
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Just look at the positive side. Our failed sexual culture will serve as an example for the future. Whole new moral systems, religions, governments, scientific theories and history will study our failure and teach future generations to not do the same mistake. Humanity may as easily learn from this for the next 5000 years. Our sacrifice of happiness may be worth it after all. The problem of growing extremist incels (read: will harass and promote mysongoistic ideas) clearly has a massive negative …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 01:04 PM
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I'm not debating you, I'm agreeing with your point, just adding that even if men choose to date as women do, it would not work. Men have to try and try and try. It is stupid and many like me just don't give a fuck anymore, but that is because I have low libido... I imagine most men with average libido never give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:05 PM
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But that's not going to happen. We have natural urges, psychological needs, we're hardwired to pop boners and get melty when we see women we like. That's just a fact. That's how the human race still exists. Agreed, but I'm not talking about controlling his desires (he can't) but just not giving women any favor if he is hopeless single or rejected. Ironically that is what will create less resentment because he will not feel like giving something for nothing, so it is good for women too. A man who…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:03 PM
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It is worse if the other person did not know that the partner was attracted to the same sex. It is like double treason. However, I think men have less issues with women cheating with other women, and women do have more issues with men cheating with men because many heterosexual women are biphobic and they are not shamed for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 07:51 PM
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Sadly (or maybe not?) that is the future of many men and some women, indeed. I do notice a few attractive or average good looking people do have a period of polyamory but often don't stay in that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 07:46 PM
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Men also have no problem hitting on 99 women and settling on the one who says yes. It wouldn't work for men to do as women do anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 07:38 PM
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Same vibes that make women cheat or wake up and leave the husband that has been with her for 10 years for no reason but because "muh vibes" changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 07:37 PM
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Women are everywhere. Obviously, they're (approximately) 50% of the human race. They're in your TV shows, your movies, your video games, your YouTube and Twitch, your music, your books, your podcasts, on websites, on ads, on packaging, they're in the store, they're in the street, they might be delivering your groceries or cool Amazon crap, they're at work or at school... Well, obviously, I'm not saying men shall just get themselves blind to not look at women everywhere. My point is that these me…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 07:30 PM
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Don’t forget the fact that women don’t want to date misogynistic, resentful and/or aggressive men. I used to believe that, and I respect your view on that, but I don't believe that anymore. Sexual attraction has little to do with ideas of ideal partner. Historically, men are less misogynistic than ever so by that logic relationships would be thriving the most, but that is not the case. On the contrary, as more men become tolerant and good to women, and raised as such since birth, fewer men are s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 07:25 PM
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So like I pointed out I don’t date chads so I’m good. Yes, you are good. Pretty selfish of chad but seems no one’s ever mad at him, I don’t get that but I digress. No idea, but often chad is really just using the chances he has and the genetic luck. On men, it is also a skill that requires lots of trials to get sex and women. Women, on the other hand, just have to open legs to get sex from almost any guy. So maybe that is why women are often blamed mode, as they have a more controllable libido a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 06:25 PM
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My hypothesis that it is comes and goes in waves. So yes, it happened in the past but also it was not all the time like that. For example, romanticism is relatively modern, but in the past there were trends of romanticism too, they just went away and returned. Marriage in the past was more utilitarian, to rise kids, and kids meant money and labor for the family but today kids mean mostly expenses. Women were honest and open about it: They wanted a husband to provide and protect. Love was a plus,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 06:04 PM
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Government is terrible on everything it does, imagine trying to fix such complex issue as this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:48 PM
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Well, I would try to convince them but regardless it is inconsequential what they believe. The relationship is over anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:47 PM
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Sounds like women win in the end. If they can make chad commit, sure, but otherwise women will have to downsize their expectancies as their face and body rottens compared to younger women that chad can pick from.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:40 PM
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Women will always blame men. When these women are over 40, crying they are childless or some shit, they will still blame *men. When these women are over 70, without a family or husband (after multiple ex-husbands) they will still blame men. Sure, some women will change and establish and do well, but plenty will never settle for less than chad and chad will never settle for them. They would rather blame all men than chad or themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:24 PM
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chads cheating on multiple girlfriends That's not cheating. Women just look away if the man is good enough. Better be a side piece of chad than date a guy in your level. That is their reasoning and apparently they are happy as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:22 PM
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It is more complex than that. For example, far more females are born after a chemical spill because the body notices risks and more women mean more population to compensate a loss. After a war, more men are born because men who survive usually are taller and taller men are more likely to have males (but we don't really know if this is true, it is a hypothesis, but the trend exists). Nature is wise, but birth control and open sex market changed everything. This is just an adaptation of biology to…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:21 PM
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A significant chunk of men in their 20’s don’t want to settle down. That is true, but only because they do not have good options. If the same top women are either taken or fucking the same guy, they would have to date fat and sick women that are worse than them while they have to work extra-hard to even get a chance. This is a twisted dating market, and it is not sustainable. Women who fuck a lot end up being unreliable partners, and there are not enough chads for them. Men who never get women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:19 PM
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This. Polyamory is often just disgusting people having sex with other disgusting people. Just google polyamory groups. Chads don't share women with other men unless it is opportunistic sex. Women who fuck chads often are kind of exclusive to them, at least for a few weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:15 PM
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Unless they need a daddy for their bastards and they are over 30, they start to settle but will probably cheat anyway and be resentful to the poor guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:13 PM
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Polyamory is very common among chads. AKA the 80/20 thing again. Top X% of men are sharing a bunch of women. This is not accurate. Chads are more likely to be polygamous, but not polyamory in the sense people thing of groups of people having sex with other groups of people. In fact, do this experiment: Search for polyamory and couples in articles. Look how hideous they all look. Usually a cow looking woman with a lot of disgusting men around. Women also usually don't jump from chad to chad, they…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 05:10 PM
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bimodal distribution I think you are right, that is a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 04:12 PM
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The past doesn't matter... Until it comes to bite our asses. Some people here quote dying old people they miss not having all sex they wanted, and yet those people did not experience the consequences of promiscuity. People don't repent from the pleasure of their sins, they just repent because the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 03:00 PM
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Be opportunistic/adapt (she's horny/lonely, your her type, party environment, etc) This is probably the best strategy. Women change their mind in seconds, so better get all the sex you can if a window is open. But men think about relationship, and "hurting her feelings" or shit like that lose that chance, while she fucks literal criminals with no emotional issues. Single men are so stupid by believing what their moms told them about women... no, women are not more noble and trustworthy, they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:57 PM
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Most people (US) are one paycheck away from homelessness and still have romantic and sexual encounters and relationships. Sure, just mix the genders to obfuscate the trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:55 PM
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This. Despair only becomes resentment after many years if unsuccessful attempts, and many of younger guys are not even attempting, they are scared. Now, when they attempt and women are still unavailable, while some guys get attention just for being, then yes, resentment comes. Still you can have your own personal coping as a guy if you fail it all and there is no hope: Don't speak to women, don't help them if they need help, don't open doors to them... not need to do anything illegal or hate the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:48 PM
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This is what people don't get. Sure, cities have more options but also more competition. It all cancels out. In smaller towns you know families for decades, and you often grow together with the one you will eventually marry. There is little background check you need compared to anonymous people dating other anonymous people in big cities. Overall, I think humans are very adaptable and dating is just as hard in cities as in towns, but it also depends on the personality and goals. If you want hook…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:25 PM
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Women believe men need more validation than them, but the fact is that women would die on the spot without the validation they receive just for having a vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:21 PM
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Well, women can help by not deconstructing and shaming male only organizations and not infiltrating them. If men cannot get validation from other men because they cannot organize, they will get validation from other things, such as parasocial validation from playing video games, porn, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:20 PM
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Oh, they can try. I will just play dumb and work dumb. Not my fault having low IQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:19 PM
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Dating as a woman is not perfect in every way but can we be honest for a minute and admit they still have it easier? Admitting it would be admit they are privileged, and that means less gibs. Sadly that is how this "just pretend" world works, and it is a sick thing. Honestly I would prefer women to openly claim they just want a guy for the benefits and promise some form of exclusivity even if there is no love, just as in the past royal (privileged) women did, but even that is too hard for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:18 PM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:16 PM
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No, not really. Cheating for men is inconsequential, while women can make a man pay for a child that is not his.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:09 PM
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Sure, follow this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/118ds3v/comment/j9gmw8w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Of course I'm not talking about all women, probably not even most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:24 PM
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Yeah, sure good men will fight and die for a bunch of cheating women, single moms and a country that hates them and undermines their rights and put women's right first during any divorce or conflict. Sure they will fight for that Western country so enthusiastically and not join Russia on the spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:15 PM
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Sometimes it takes more backbone not to fight. Sure, women are the real victims of war after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:13 PM
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Sadly, if it happens today then almost all women will just cheat while their husbands bleed. There are no social checks anymore, no real consequences for cheating and no real commitment anymore. I wonder if there is something men have to fight for in the first place and why not let Russia take over?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:11 PM
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Odds are men between 18 and 45 would be pressed into service It would not be convenient, I would not be reliable or trustworthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:10 PM
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So all I have to do is find a stupid quote about men and then we're forbidden from complaining about everything forever? You are not forbidden for anything, you are fully privileged and doing way better than men in many aspects, and still find a way to bitch about it and downplay actual men's issues, just to get your narcissistic supply. Sure, can you show me a single instance of that? Hypergamy. Guy has to be 6 feet (half men on America, gone), he has to earn more than her (80% of guys out), he…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 09:01 PM
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This quote summaries it all for you: "women have always been the primary victims of war." - Hillary Clinton In this quote women portray themselves as victims while their own privilege is implied. This is just one example, there are countless, but usually in dating it is usually on the lines of "I don't find the man that fits all my 200 conditions, that is why I'm so sad and lonely."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 08:41 PM
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Women always want to be the most privileged and the biggest victims. Look what happens when people speak about men's issues... a woman or a white knight always claims women have it worse in some aspect or another, and at the same sentence talk how good girls do in college as they are like 70% of students or some shit like that. The thing is that being a victim in today's world is also a symbol of status, since victims or people who came from disadvantaged conditions are given priority. So we hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 08:14 PM
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It depends on what you mean by "easy". Older men clearly have more resources, often are more mature and women don't care so much about age as much as men do. So in that aspect it is easier to be a valid partner. On the other hand, you have more health issues, you are more likely to be tired, etc. so it not as great as claimed by the RP but they do have a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 07:58 PM
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At this point he has nothing to lose, so medication may be a good solution than the default. But I agree, maybe it is too late and he did not learn the social cues, same as me but I'm 31, so not so far from his situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:29 PM
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It is true, but for childless people it may be a viable solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:29 PM
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doctors refusing to prescribe HRT Very true, it would fix so many issues so easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:27 PM
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Mods: If videos are not allowed to be posted, please remove this post. Thanks. He is a good youtuber, I found him recently but I think he has not tried all the stuff he should have tried to fix his situation. Recently even some pills for epilepsy have been found to help with autism. The research is still on, but the pills have been approved for other diagnosis so they are safe to take anyway, and most important, they have existed for decades so they are cheap. Just find an open minded psychiatri…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 04:12 PM
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He should do as older "happy" and "liberated" women do and take antidepressants as vitamins.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 04:08 PM
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Nah, most men could not afford to do this for a spouse (or anyone). That is true, and wife is no longer a partner. Women barely know how to cook and they at most make enough money for themselves, so women are a liability in marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 08:37 PM
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The Western blue-collar man is becoming obsolete. Hardly to call obsolete the main source of income, infrastructure, security, tax and clients of most expensive assets. Meanwhile women are finally starting to be useful to anything other than having children and being housewives and somehow they are still unhappy and moaning.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 08:33 PM
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Men used to go out and hunt and bring back what they found. Women guarded the house. MEN HAVE STOPPED BRINGING HOME LITTLE THINGS THAT MAKE HER HAPPY. It doesn't have to be much. IN THIS CASE THE THOUGHT COUNTS. Thanks for admitting women only want men to pull resources from them. Sadly, they got a way to make the government pay for their trash, and 80% of taxes are paid by men. Glad men are stopping working so slowly you can see how fast food gets slower and slower and women fill those jobs. Of…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 05:47 PM
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Coercion? Maybe, but that is not what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 04:12 PM
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Sex is required for marriage, as marriage is not valid without sex. If she is not giving sex, the vows are being violated.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 04:11 PM
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If I’m a landlord and have a tenant and can legally raise her rent but suggest verbally and off the record that she could have sex with me to prevent that, what’s that called if not manipulation? If she agrees with such arrangement there is no manipulation. She is not being manipulated into sex, she is being invited to exchange sex for a service. Sure, it is not ethical or moral, but not manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 04:03 PM
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KNOWINGLY making someone do something under false pretenses is manipulating or scamming. My point is that if she is open to sex and she open legs, that is what she gets. Sex does not guarantee someone will marry you, and rather she is using sex to get that if that is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 04:01 PM
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I don't get what are you trying to say. Younger people do stupid things like using drugs, get pregnant, etc. but that does not mean they didn't know about the consequences of the stuff they were doing. They just did not measure the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 03:51 PM
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We can go with that when you agree that no man has ever been divorce raped, baby trapped, paternity frauded... All of those things are risks the man took, but they are not what he asked or desired for, unlike sex, which is exactly what she/he get. Meanwhile women open legs, and both get sex. That's it. No manipulation, both are 100% aware of what they are doing. However, sex itself can be used to manipulate men and women into stuff, but sex itself is not a result of manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 03:49 PM
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If they know what sex is and they are opening legs, then there is no manipulation. Unless she is drunk or something, which is basically rape, they are totally aware of what sex is that is what they get. If they open legs because they believe it is about commitment or whatever, then they are in fact the ones trying to manipulate the man into those things using sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 03:46 PM
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All those things are still transactional. Women only have unconditional love for their children (if they don't kill them before they are born). All love they have for their husbands is conditional to what he provides.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 03:34 PM
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Ukranian war shows us how unpatriotic women, are and how fake they are when they claim they love country and would die for it. All campaigns to get women into military are pathetic attempts to hide this fact. Even in historical times most women did not need to be raped, they just opened legs to winners.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 03:32 PM
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Literally no incentive. I'm glad top men are using women and disposing of them, no commitment. That is exactly the reality women choose, but the prisoners game theory make them think that they are the exception and top men will somehow marry them and make them housewives... not, they wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 03:25 PM
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That's just prostitution with extra steps. Same as marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 03:23 PM
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Prostitute is a hard work for this, in a sense a wife is also a prostitute to a point if we use this definition, but I agree it is not FWB.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 03:23 PM
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I'm glad you stick to your values and you are happy that way. Personally I do believe God is necessary, at least for me, to those values have a foundation, but I respect that you may disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 03:14 PM
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You can care about a cause without considering it moral. Can you give me an example of a cause you can care about without a moral hightlight? I can give you as an example Environmentalism. You can say it is objective to care about nature and species, but if you zoom out the universe is always changing, stuff will die off regardless what we do, universe will get cold, etc. So at the end all environmentalism only makes sense short term. Long term, it is just another form of moral masturbation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/23 02:51 PM
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it will be understood that there is a tangible purpose behind it and that it's for the betterment of society, not simply about feelings or an ego boost. Totally, that was originally what love and commitment was about, rising kids together, making wealth together, overcome loneliness. We live in an era that "love" and "commitment" is just an empty shell of what it was, just ego boost, a social performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 02:23 PM
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Weird how people attach to commitment as if it was not already dead. Sorry, commitment is over. Healthy family as the common family model, is dead. Demons won. It will take a century of chaos and a population collapse before it gets back to some stability. Very few families are the exceptions, but the temptation is always there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 01:58 PM
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Yes, but usually when they meet younger and grow together. Initial attraction is very important for men and that often comes with youth. However, women shall not feel bad about that because even women being older they still get more attention and more attraction than attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 01:47 PM
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MGTOW are incels in denial. Personally I've found most bluepiller redditors that are more likely to be incels in denial. At least incels that are MGTOW are somehow aware of their situation and don't try to put other men down to feel superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 12:52 PM
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No idea, I'm just pointing out it seems some guys made an identity of that, which is usually something stupid. I'm sure women can also be independent and exercise their own rights without feminism, in the same token.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 06:13 PM
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MGTOW specifically states they want nothing to do with women. Some do, but most of them don't want anything to do with commitment with women and children with them. They usually are positive on sex work, for example. It makes sense because they came from the PUA movement which is very sex positive. But maybe you are right and there are extremist MGTOWs that truly don't want even to see women, but in most cases those are blackpillers and other groups that are way more extremist than MGTOWs and ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:47 PM
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I wonder why so many women over 35 still have hope to be mothers someday, if they are just going to create a generation of autists children at best and at worse they will never have any children. They are just fooling themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:44 PM
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Same, it is the equivalent of rape for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:43 PM
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No one that cares for a cause is truly a nihilist. I remember often atheists hating religion and claiming they are nihilists, but they do care about humanism, truth in science, accuracy, human rights, etc. which by definition makes them non-nihilistic. Nihilism is truly an ideological black hole and people soon or later find a more stable idea to replace nihilism because nihilism is unbearable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:41 PM
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Ummm... feminists, MGTOWs, bluepillers, INTJ autists... seems a very balanced public.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:39 PM
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So I don’t understand why they even need to talk about us….just leave us alone and out of the conversation… Hard to leave alone half the population which receives most tax benefits, is favored by most family courts, you have to interact with almost every day, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:39 PM
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You don’t have to talk about how meat is so terrible that it’s ruining meals or food in general in order to talk about veganism lmao. Of course they do say that. I often hear how they say eating meat is immoral, arguments on production of CO2 by meat, water usage, etc. ALL the time. Dietary vegans do the same but on grounds of health issues caused by meat, etc. The whole point of veganism is avoiding meat and animal products, and they can buy stuff 10x more expensive and travel way more just to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:38 PM
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The whole point is that men aren’t going their own way. Going your own way may mean many things, it is a vague phrase by itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:23 PM
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I don’t think they should even mention the word women otherwise I don’t consider them MGTOW. I disagree. If you are vegan, you are probably mentioning alternative for meat. If you are ecologist, you are probably mentioning why to avoid contaminants and contaminating products. Same for women in this context. All reactionary movements, be it feminism or MGTOW, are like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:21 PM
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So you're saying that men aren't actually going their own way, which is exactly the same thing I said. Don't you think that that phrase kind of echos the feminist phrase that "women need a man as a fish need a bicycle"? MGTOW is just a male response to feminism, almost a negative copy of it. I don't think that MGTOW is a good idea nor I support it, I just pointing out it is just as valid as feminism is. What it means to go your own way may mean an isolated male community. to just not putting you…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:44 PM
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Usually MGTOW don't discourage sex with women or even some short term relationships, but it discouraged commitment as it sees it as disempowering to men. It is not that different from Feminist view on marriage and how it disempowers women in their perspective, ironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:34 PM
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Women don't care if men choose not to date them Most MGTOW is to discourage men to marry or depend on women, it is not about what women care or not, they are not that relevant in their narrative. What women care for or not is irrelevant for MGTOWs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 02:23 PM
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Most migrants coming to USA are actually people who are poor or do not have the education to be useful workers in the West, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 01:19 PM
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MGTOW don't hate women, they don't trust them because many if not most of them are divorced men who got fucked by legal arrangement, some with children. That is totally a different world from incels that have never been with women and see them as a resource that must be distributed somehow. But I do think that grouping them in the same category of manosphere created this confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 01:18 PM
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I think the women that are not OK with MGTOW are usually those who believe they are the same as incels or blackpillers. MGTOW usually is more empowering than blackpill, because the blackpill sees women as a resource that men need, and somehow shall be provided or encouraged to date men. The irony is that actual MGTOW are not really that vocal, and they often focus on encouraging men to not marry and not have children without legal protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 01:16 PM
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So far I have not hear of any MGTOW terrorist. Only blackpillers and incels, who usually believe the opposite of MGTOW, thinking women are so essential that they become desperate for not having them. But I do agree some incels are MGTOW in denial, but also you can say about the bluepiller redditors that often shame other men and yet they are incel themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 01:06 PM
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Another thing is that automation is used to increase production, but if population decreases then demand also decreases, so automation becomes more expensive as its scale economy is affected. It makes sense to have an automatic generator of cakes, but if it only cakes for you and you don't have many people to sell them, that machine and its maintainance may actually be a liability.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 08:29 PM
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To be fair, a lot of their forums have been banned or heavily moderated to the point they are not even MGTOW anymore. It makes sense they go to other forums with their ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 06:11 PM
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I'd say MGTOW can easily become coping. However, I do wonder why often MGTOW are shut down and women then complain MTGOW men go to their forums.... ummm, maybe because you banned their own communities? Duh. If you genuinely find a way to be happy and in peace with yourself, as countless men did in the past, then MGTOW can be a genuine path and philosophy. However, if you go "your way" out of resentment and spite, be aware you are not taking that path voluntarily and just knowing your place and c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 06:10 PM
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Sadly, most real world interactions have been severed forever too. Apps are a requirement for real, actual mating options.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 05:47 PM
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I'd say that is probably because unplanned pregnancies in the US happen a lot more in states where women don't have access to abortion I respectfully disagree. Even in the states with most restricted abortion the weeks were akin to those in European states that allow abortion, and possible ban on abortion in USA is recent. Until very recently America actually was the most liberal on abortion, not by law, but by constitutional judge rule. Sex education is better than ever, and no, teenage pregnan…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 04:08 PM
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Childfree people often vote for leftist policy that requires taxes on other people's children, though. I really hope younger people in the future will refuse to pay taxes for them and let them in nursing houses on their own with their saving for not having children. Not our problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:33 PM
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The issue is that foreign countries are also having less children and that means there will be demand for workers in their own countries so they will have less reasons to migrate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:31 PM
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Increasing birthrates is absolute bullshit. We have 8 billion people on the planet and we can’t take care of them already. The problem is not population number but the rate of younger to older people. Even if a country only have 1000 people if 900 of them are old then 100 will have to pay all taxes... that is impossible. If you don't want to have children, fine, but don't expect other people children's to care for you as they become a minority and the only labor left to pay taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:27 PM
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My solution is not popular: Let future childfree older redditors on their own. Don't help them at all, as if you help them then younger people will have to pay more taxes and leave or not work at all. They cannot keep a 90% old population at all. If younger people want to help their parents they can in this world, but voluntarely.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:26 PM
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That is not true either. Other developed countries with help to the mother paid by taxpayers are doing even worse on birth rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:24 PM
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Internationally, the more prosperous a country gets, the less likely they are to have children. This is because in poorer countries, children are a net benefit since they'll grow up to earn money that they can bring back to their poor household. However, in developed countries, the cost of raising them for 18-22 years is a net negative and they obviously do not bring back money to the family. You explained it perfectly. That is why in the past often stuff like abortion was almost a non issue, si…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:22 PM
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Single motherhood is better than societal collapse. If half of those kids are undesired and criminal, then it will produce a negative value and require even more workers being born.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:20 PM
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The fact that we have created an economy that needs a continuous output of people in order to support others is the actual problem. Technology has increased to the point where that shouldn’t be a necessity, Most automatization requires an number of customers to be profitable. No point automatizing producing a product if there are not many clients, so ironically that will create a fall in automation but also no workers, an in between. Automation only work at scale but we are descalating populatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:20 PM
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I suspect childfree millenials will be worse than boomers. They want all that boomers imposed: welfare state, taxes, etc. but also want less people being born which ironically will make it worse for everyone. Will younger people work to keep the old alive? I doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:18 PM
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Childfree old people did not want to have children for selfish reasons yet they want to tax the hell out of other people's children. Wonder why so many leftists love taxes but hate taxpayers being born (???).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:16 PM
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Also many single women produce basically criminals and future whores for chad. Not saying single moms cannot be good, but it is not easy to rise good kids as a sole parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 03:15 PM
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Sadly, half population.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 02:03 PM
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Women would just cheat if they had that guy as option, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 01:36 PM
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or they're hiring someone. Their father, or an orbiter.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/23 01:21 PM
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You do good, queen. Our dignity should always come first.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 09:15 PM
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Standards are important too, but it seems many women often even lower standards to date higher status men, such as having sex on first date even when they have the standard to not do it usually, or even allow him to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 09:01 PM
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Also there are plenty of "mismatched" couples out there who are very committed to each other. No, I do agree with you, but if one part has more options than the other, there will be tension. I guess that is why celebrities often end up dating other celebrities after 3 or 5 failed marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 08:35 PM
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"I aM tHe eXcEptIoN bUt aGe gApS bAd..."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 08:00 PM
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Women complain about fuck boys except when it is their turn. That is when the guy "truly changed". You can't make this shit up. I just hope these women never have children, or wait so long until they become sterile as half of them have. Imagine being burn in such a pseudo-family, they are basically growing incels and whores.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 07:41 PM
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I mean, reality can be so terrible that no doubt sometimes the lie and delusion is better choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 07:40 PM
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The issue is that words such as commitment, singleness, etc. are becoming very blur. Now you have arrangements of couples that are committed but open to sex with others, or couples that are not technically committed but for every other purpose live together and have lived like a marriage for 20 years, etc. So it makes sense to not be very trustful of definitions of commitment and singleness, which have become so blur and relative in our culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 06:57 PM
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The women are just dating each other! Well, statistics about lesbian divorce rates and abuse are not very hopeful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 06:55 PM
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It’s him lying to her about being in a relationship. Or rather her lying to herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 06:54 PM
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Who are these women absolutely abusing these men, forcing them to fix their tires with the promise of pussy. Funny, since if a guy somehow convinces a younger woman for sex that is "predatory" and yet women use that implicit promise of sex all the time for their benefit. Women created a mini-royal life by exploiting male horniness and yet they claim to hate it. Not bad the fact this is not everlasting and looks for women fade away fast, but still it is odd how they full their mouth on issues of …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 06:52 PM
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But the single most important lesson that I learned from that job was that women are nowhere near what they and society say they are. That is a very valuable person, and you are wise by learning it instead of going in full denial as most men (and women) do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 06:50 PM
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So many personal insults, and yet zero arguments. That's OK if you all want to fuck the same chads, why it is so hard to admit it? You don't have to pretend online as in real life to manipulate poor average men when you have no other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 05:27 PM
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Some women certainly are getting played, but I guess that most of them at least see the redflags... the guy is barely there, the many exes, the pics of his instagram don't include you, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 05:25 PM
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So sharing a guy with other women is not considered subpar relationship? The man cannot be on multiple places at the same time, so I guess you have to sacrifice time for that, and it seems women have no issue with that. No hope for marriage, a ring, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 05:23 PM
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What do average guys have to offer that a better guy can't? Well, far more than the rich guy you fuck once a month when it is her turn, but at least there is hopium he may stick and miraculously commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 04:14 PM
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religious conviction/repression (which in a red flag for most of the fine folks here) Ironic how some purity is considered negative now, while clearly the open dating market is not working either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 04:12 PM
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Yes, but sadly women don't like men without much experience. They prefer pre-selection, it is like a job. This only worked when people married at 16 as both often were virgins. It was not ideal arrangement, but often they made those marriages work and had like 12 children.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 04:11 PM
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That is the idea of soft harems.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:59 PM
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women either fuck casually, so no sharing then because it is casual. Or they are single. But statistics claim they don't consider themselves single, also women usually have sex with a guy at a time, so there is some implicit exclusivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:56 PM
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Women didnt prefer being in a harem lol. Historically women were denied the same job and education opportunities as men. That plays a big factor That is true, but also it makes no sense women prefer now even richer men if the case was that they depended on men. So they still desire naturally richer men and live by that even needing them less (???).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:54 PM
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I think history and reality today proves that is a fact, but why do they deny is so hard? If it is desire and they cannot control it, just admit it, no need for so much gaslighting and dishonesty and bullshit about love and romance and chemistry or shit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:53 PM
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Furthermore, women preferred being property? Lol seriously? Not today, but in the past they preferred to be like property in harems as long as they got good food and comfort, and today they may get good dick and men even at the cost of any real commitment or relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:45 PM
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I just find it odd they claim they would rather be single than share or shit like that, but in fact they are basically part of many other women that the same guys fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:41 PM
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There are many grays areas now, such as committed relationships with no exclusivity (???) or exclusivity even before commitment (???).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:39 PM
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I guess the balance of genders is also a factor. Dating in a city near a military base is different from dating near a college town, as most college students are women. I do agree there is more than dating, but humans are weird. They desire the most what they cannot get.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:38 PM
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Dating in the city is hard. Ironically they say you have more options here, but also you have far more competition. In the county side it is the lack of options. So I guess smaller cities are ideal? I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:14 PM
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Sorry to hear that, I do get that some men are so good at this that they can easily manipulate and date multiple women and sadly many of those women are good and it is not fault of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:13 PM
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My point is that women get from men the benefits of any relationship while still being technically single, also they are basically single anyway for the right guy even if they are in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:11 PM
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I mean, you do have a point, but I have to add men trust women the most who grew with them. Women who choose men that are to be successful, but are not yet, will enjoy the fruits of it and also the trust. If women pick winners, they are just a price for those men that can be easily replaced. Now guess which methodology 90% single women choose today.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:09 PM
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I'm not talking about just casual sex, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:06 PM
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Or maybe they just don't want to know, they look away.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:06 PM
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Good point, I wonder how much that accounts for the disparity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:05 PM
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So yeah I do think some women purposefully and intentionally make their dating pools tiny. I don't think that is an issue, in fact that is good thing, but when that tiny pool fits the pool and preferences of thousands of other women, then those men have literally no reason to stay or cultivate a healthy loving relationship as they have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 03:04 PM
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They would happily date someone they were attracted to. Sure, but it also has to earn 3x what she earns. So much for "attraction".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:45 PM
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If preference means 'the best situation that a woman wants' then the answer is clearly women do not prefer soft harems. But they do, if they don't date men who earn equal or slightly over them, at their looks level. They rather fuck top men once a month when it is their turn than to have actually a committed relationship with a decent man that happens to not be rich and 6'2".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:44 PM
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average guys are not supporting top men and women. Most risky and intensive labor that keeps infrastructure comes from average guys, you will not see top guys cleaning a sewer. My point is that those guys should rather do nothing than work on that humiliating jobs unless they pay good money. Life off the government or some shit is far better than that humiliation. That is perfectly legal and should be done more. Let the beast starve to dead. Meanwhile, taxes and fiat money become less valuable b…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:42 PM
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Regardless, I think many men would pay for the paternity test if they had the option in the hospital without the woman knowing to hurt trust. Sadly the nature is built in a way that the woman know she is the mother for obvious reasons, but not the father.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:37 PM
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They’d rather be alone than be with average man. Sad but true. Many women find themselves in their 40s paying thousands to get pregnant but it is too late, no more eggs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:35 PM
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They prefer a high quality relationship with a high quality man. But next best thing is low quality relationships with high quality men, right? That is what they prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:34 PM
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My point is that women being single is not an issue as they get all the benefit from men they manipulate anyway. It is like I saying that I don't need a job and I'm "independent" while living of my daddy's money.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:32 PM
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Just so happens they’re biologically attracted to men who have proven that they can fend for themselves in the world. ???? Men don't need to be rich to do that, though. In a sense, average men are more likely to stay instead rich men with multiple kids spreading their wealth with multiple kids for multiple women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:29 PM
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Don't you think it is weird the hospital and government often pays or subsidized literally opening the woman for delivery, and yet this test that affects 18 years of financial commitment is not subsidized? I like how women says "that's a personal thing" when it comes to finding out who the kid's biological father is, but I'm willing to bet she has no problem involving the government when it comes to making the father pay. Funny how it's a waste of resources when it's something that doesn't benef…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:24 PM
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They are not truly single, though. Any woman can open an app and get sex or a relationship in a week. Not to mention the orbiters around fixing their shit in hopes of getting sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:22 PM
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So you do agree with the premise of my post, that women prefer a subpar relationship with a top man than a high quality relationship with an equal man, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:20 PM
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Good point, but don't worry, they just use pills to compensate any negative feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:18 PM
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Women are not truly single. They never learn to fix their toilet, change a tire, etc. They have a swarm of orbiters doing that for them. They also have sex in half an hour by just opening an app.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:17 PM
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They just choose to look away from all the redflags.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:16 PM
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Yes and again, if the man wants to check he can. He can't test the baby if he is not the father, so he has to admit he is the father to test if he is the father. Don't you see the issue here?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:16 PM
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You may not like it, but you’re more appealing to women when you’re in your 30s than when you’re just another run of the mill desperate 20 something man without much to offer. I thought women say they are free now to date men they are attracted to as they have their own work, and no need for dating men just for money?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:15 PM
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Yes, but in transitional social periods like this all relationships are in question, so next best thing is just defaulting to having babies with high quality males. Also the government in a sense works as a husband, forcing the man to pay for the baby anyway, so this stability is still there but partial.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:13 PM
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So they date top men as a chore?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:12 PM
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Price is not an issue as it gets cheaper every year, and there are cheaper tests that give false negatives (but no false positives) so they can be used before using more expensive tests to corroborate. Babies already get very expensive tests such as tests for hearing and thyroid issues. The benefit of cost is astronomical... not paying 18 years for a kid that is not yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:11 PM
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I appreciate your honestly, we can agree. Women often deny this, though, on grounds of emotional shit, love, "chemistry" and other bullshit terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:04 PM
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I mean, not today, but if even in the past women openly chosen to be part of a harem that basically made them property of the crowd, don't you think women today would be more likely to join harems without the disadvantage of being considered property?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:04 PM
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Well, I assume consent, so that would be a preference. Isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:01 PM
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Are they being forced to fuck a few top men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:01 PM
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The government shall test it, just as other standard health tests. It is also a health issue. If the baby needs donation of something, the biological father may be the only compatible person. The kid also has the right to know who his or her actual parent is, not building emotional bounds. So even if you don't do it for the father, who apparently is just a walking wallet, then at least do it for the baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 02:00 PM
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I think a percent of men is already doing that, but often at the cost of their own wellbeing too, such as gamers. Men need to find ways to be rich and wealthy on their own, have their own land and wealth, but also pay the least taxes possible and don't cooperate with collectivist causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:57 PM
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Yes but you don’t have to get the signature of the mother to test your own child. So you have to sign as a father to check if you are actually the father... it makes no sense, except in a gynocentric society that favors and even protects female cheaters.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:56 PM
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I have a theory this is caused by wealth inequality. Women's children are more likely to survive and have a good life if they are born from rich, attractive men. So women are not being "evil" by choosing this, they are just following their nature given the economy and inequality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:55 PM
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Are you suggesting women are somehow being forced to date the same guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:53 PM
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When people date out of their league, they get no real commitment. Plenty of women are OK with that, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:52 PM
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Maybe it has always been that way and we shall embrace it? I honestly don't get why average guys are paying taxes as this point. They shall be working overtime to make this shit fall the fastest possible and don't support top men and women in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:52 PM
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D). If you want a paternity test, get a paternity test. No, governments (aka the taxpayers) don’t owe it to you and no one is stopping you🤷‍♀️. Actually you have to sign as a parent to be able to test your own child. Governments such as France even make it illegal. So yes, men shall at least be entitled to know, just as women are entitled to all shit they get, paid by taxpayers, for just having a bastard. C). You don’t get to decide what other people’s “levels” are. That is OK you decide to be a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:49 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/10yhdq7/63\_of\_men\_under\_30\_describe\_themselves\_as\_single/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:48 PM
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Oh, I get it. You are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:42 PM
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Would all these average women really be unhappy with a decent average man that treats them well, is a good father, etc? They will never know if they never give him even a chance. May no mistake... women would rather die alone than date in their own league, or even they would prefer to be a side piece.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:34 PM
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Women are not truly alone or single, so every time they call themselves as such they are lying. She is just using orbiters to fix their shit and have sex, though. They are not learning shit to fix their toilet or changing a tire.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:32 PM
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Now on Twitter I see people denying they supported the lockdowns and even denying they even happened. They will never accept the fact they damaged social net for generations to come, I'm talking about children and grandchildren that will suffer the consequences of this lockdown craziness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:31 PM
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I love men Chads
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:30 PM
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A lot of lonely men who aren't getting chosen believe that its not the same type of loneliness but its not. I disagree. It is not the same kind of loneliness. Women can still choose to have sex or get an orbiter accompany them to do stuff. Men can't. Personally I prefer fake friends to go out to eat and watch a film, than no friends at all. Fake friends at least are a filler and you do not look weird and pathetic alone in a night club. Absolute loneliness is far worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:30 PM
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Imagine waking up in your 70s and realizing you never had a truly faithful committed relationship that lasted, you had no family on your own, your friends died or moved on, and you still have to work because inflation. Hell is awaiting for most of us, it will not be pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:28 PM
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Women are not being truly single. Women are not learning to fix a toilet or change a tire. They have orbiters all around, giving them free stuff for the hope of getting sex. If they need sex they just open an app, or wait for their turn to fuck chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:26 PM
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They have such inflated egos.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:24 PM
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I think men are more able to increase their SMV by earning money and status. Meanwhile men don't care shit if the woman works or she is a professional or never worked. Men also have a bigger window to date, as they usually remain fertile more time than women. However, the advantages of women in dating, especially today, are far more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/23 01:14 PM
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I do think guys shall do this more, as women have a free pass shaming men for even stuff they cannot control such as height, it is only fair men can do this... although they are still assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 08:08 PM
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It does, at least women can lease top dick for a few minutes, but rest of men get nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 07:08 PM
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So why you are asking if men are concerned about X, if it is not also for unconcerned men? Learn some English before posting, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 05:36 PM
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If you discard most men, then you discard also most men of the top, and every iteration will only leave you with the perfect 2% men while the women attracted to them are mostly average blobs, so yes, it is always increasing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 05:30 PM
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Why is it "bad" to say that you only want to have sex with someone you're sexually attracted to? Isn't this just normal human behavior, neither good nor bad? I guess that women who say that are seen as less empathic and therefore less feminine, which would imply less privilege of assuming they are innocent angels, but it is sad since I would appreciate more honestly from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 05:28 PM
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Not my problem. Not my risk, not my traumatic abortion, not my anticonceptive pills, not my pussy. At worse or best I may get a kid, which is something I'd like anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 05:27 PM
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The dating market won't have a substantial change in our lifetime. It'll take generations. I agree. I suspect like it will regulate in like a century, which to be fair is nothing in a greater context. This whole generation will have to die, birth rate restored, and old childless people die in enough numbers to not be a burden to younger generation. That is supposing no political radical ideology will rise and try to "accelerate" the process, which may be horrifying but may work after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 03:46 PM
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You are assuming the trends somehow hold between generations. We don't know how current generation will go. Even if every younger woman started dating now, it is unlikely they will have children as in the past because they are too old now. Birth rate is one example of a trend that does not hold, so why you think dating will be different?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 03:44 PM
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Sadly, there is no shortage of men who are simps, they will just accept it and marry a used up 40 something with 3 kids from different men. On top She will use the guy as a punchback for her resentment. No one will be happier in an ideal, but women will have it WAY better anyway, even evil and untruthful women who will be rising the next generation of fatherless incels. Don't expect any kind of justice or retribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 03:32 PM
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I often hear this argument but so far crime has gone down, and since people are having less children and most criminals are younger and single, that will drop more. No one predicted this. Everyone assumed crime would go up if single men were more common, but it seems that tech like porn and videogames have kept men distracted from trying to change anything. Ironically women also resent the fact men don't want to change, so they blame videogames, porn, etc. and yet that is the tech that is keepin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 03:30 PM
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Redpill is not changing anything directly, but bringing awareness. I think that marriages of convenience may have a comeback, as in the past. Romance and love is only possible in a relatively stable, high trust, tight society. We don't have anymore, and in fact we did not have that for most of history, so we are going back to convenience arrangements. Men at least don't have to dwell on loneliness and depression if they can distract themselves with porn. Not ideal, but it is what it is, so maybe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 03:28 PM
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So, your point is?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 03:23 PM
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Multigenerational statistics are often wide and do not reflect the trends. For example, younger people are more single than ever compared to other generations in the same age. I suspect the same for fatherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:42 PM
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You put it perfectly, queen. I also think that women kind of don't like to be seen as single for some reason. Probably they use that to avoid further approaches from men, or maybe they pull social status from not being single? No idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:39 PM
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That's a women problem. Not a men's problem. Women would rather force men to pay for their bastards, or even manipulate men into being fathers of other men's kids, rather than take responsibility for it all in the first place. It is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:35 PM
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Some women claim the reason is that women fill the papers and it is men's fault anyway. This is refuted by the fact lesbian marriage is far worse on terms of divorce rates, and even domestic abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:34 PM
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Even if the man wanted to be the father, he has different kids with different women. Women choose the same guy and then expect him to be a good father.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:33 PM
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If a man wants to do that and is capable of doing so fairly and lovingly, then absolutely. I think that's an amazing set of traits to have. But it is certainly not a solution to the initial problem, which is having children with men who are almost certainly not going to stay. Sometimes this can't be avoided or truly is a surprise, but other times it seems like a delusion on part of the woman. I don't get why so many women find this controversial?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:31 PM
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Acknowledging that children need fathers does not mean men have an obligation to go raise another man's kid. Women will try anything and force legally anything just to not date men in their own league. They rather share the same man that will never be available and rise a generation of incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:30 PM
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You can't, but if women choose the same guys as fathers of their kids then obviously they cannot be fathers of all kids they have around even if they wanted. These women are to blame as the are the sex gatekeepers, and they are the ones creating a generation of incels and losers, which may be the karma for despising average men after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:28 PM
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If women keep fucking the same guy, how do they expect him to stay with them ALL at the same time? Hypergamy is the issue here. At least in the past the harem had all women and the guy was always close, today the same guy cannot be at all the houses of the women. These Women are creating a generation of incels and losers, with no male example. Women only have real empathy for their children, so I suspect when women realize they raised male losers it will be hellish for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:23 PM
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Funny since women are the ones that bitch the most about gender issues, and somehow it is EVERYONE's problem and taxpayers have to put money on their shit that they caused themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:17 PM
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I'm glad most of them find out they have no eggs and they cannot have children. That kind of monsters deserves no family.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:15 PM
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Patriarchy might simply be needed for survival. Societies rarely revert to patriarchy; they are rather replaced by foreign patriarchal societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:12 PM
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The last woman I had that conversation with literally replied „I don‘t know what they look like. I don‘t look at them.“ Pure dehumanization. I realized all the shit women blame on men of is exactly what they do to men... dehumanization, use and dump (for favors and money), ignore, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:11 PM
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Now I get where the myth of vampires came from, it is how women treat average men they have to settle for, sucking their happiness and money until killing them because they were unable to hold a top tier guy that fucked them during their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:10 PM
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I wonder if that is really worse than in the past, when you had no other options but to date. At least we can wank to realistic porn... pathetic, but at least a good distraction from suffering we did not have for most of history.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:08 PM
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The conclusion is that the average guy is massively struggling. Well, they now have porn, so maybe it is not so bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:05 PM
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I think it will go faster now as men who get no sex will just find porn or videogames to distract themselves from any negative feelings that may motivate them to change their life. In one aspect it is bad most of these men will probably never get over this and get a decent relationship, but also it is good they have the option to drop of the dating game without huge amounts of suffering as in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:04 PM
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Apparently they share the same guy for sex like once a month each time its her chance, and that is enough to have a "relationship" in their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:02 PM
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Since men want sex more than women, women have the power on sex, so they "have" it. However, this is just an analogy. No one is "giving" or "taking" anything concrete.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 02:00 PM
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This, same as femineity. Plenty of hot women are evil and selfish. Femineity and masculinity has little to do with ethics. It is up to us to be wise and see beyond those features.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/23 06:02 PM
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Who tf said attraction is moral?!?! Like dude what? Some women here claim that a criminal or a violent man is not real masculinity or shit like that. Masculinity has nothing to do with ethics or even being good to women, that is my point. If you agreed I don't get why you tried to contradict me in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 09:28 PM
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I never claimed to be talking about this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 08:01 PM
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Your dating pool is the women who date criminals And gang bangers?!? Again, when some women lack any logical and valid response, they try to hate the messenger... observe I'm not even talking about me, but she tries to make it about me. The fact ANY woman is interested on those criminal men more than on the local random nerd, should at least suggest that attraction has little to do with ethics and made-up moral rules... which is something we always knew, no matter how much we try to deny it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 07:19 PM
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If you have seen any of his tweets he is very clearly not moderate I mean, moderate in terms of how he expresses himself, but clearly Peterson is conservative. Regardless people have realized the age of debate is over, now it is about shock value, sensationalism, some harsh truth, etc. so it really makes no much difference to express your views in a decent or a controversial way anymore, consequences are the same when the ideological police comes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 06:31 PM
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Andrew Tate is just PUA incarnate. Tate has zero originality on that aspect, PUA has over 20 years at this point, but Zoomers are finding it now so that is why Tate grew so fast. Most stuff Andrew says is just for shock value, though, but he does have a point. Decent and moderate people such as Jordan Peterson are still demonized and cancelled by media, feminists, etc. so what is the point of being civilized and kind anyway? People will hate you anyway if you stand your ground and point out hars…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 05:31 PM
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This is exactly why men who can get women easily don't respect women really that much. Why respect someone who is so shallow who may leave you at any time you lose what attracted her in the first place? Top men are using and laughing at these women and they have not realized it, in fact they prefer it than dating average men at their own league.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 05:16 PM
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Being a decent or evil person, or anything in between, does not have anything to do with being masculine. Women have fucked criminals and violent men since ages ago, and they have despised and left to die alone and depressed good men who just are not masculine. You don't even have to think that deep to be aware of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 05:14 PM
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I'm not a fan 100% but a lot of what Andrew Tate says is so obvious. Sure, he treats women as trash, but his observations about dating, hypergamy, game, etc. are perfectly valid. He also has a good attitude for people who want to start a business, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 05:11 PM
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Why do you assume that? It would make sense if the woman depended on man, which means commitment is paramount, but that is not the case anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 02:05 PM
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Weird how this society despises men so much now and still expect men to care about lonely women being attacked or robbed, as if men shall be open to get stabbed and risk their life like that. It is sad and you shall help the best you can in your capacity and in a safe disposition, but not like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 01:14 PM
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Umm, they are using each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 12:50 PM
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But if a man ends up being abusive, they are now in a foreign country with no family, no network, and maybe can't even speak the language. This argument is weird because Western countries are most likely to do anything about abusive relationships, which is not the case of 3rd world countries. However, yes, mail order bride is human trafficking, usually from their own families, but in this case men are talking about using leverage and Western privilege to pick women from poorer countries. I don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 12:45 PM
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They’re tired of the young ladies out there who play games juggle multiple men. To be fair with older ladies, this is accurate. Zoomer and younger millennial girls are often not very faithful. They know they have options and they want to explore them, even at a cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 09:29 PM
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As most men do, date those women but not promise marriage. Both get sex, both get company, both get love... but the man is not forced to stay with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 09:27 PM
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Women like hot rich tall men, and they are unapologetic about it. So should be men when they claim they are attracted to younger beautiful thin women. Dating is harsh, why make it harder hiding the truth until what is obviously bullshit is exposed?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 09:25 PM
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Yes, women who get old lose sexual value, but don't worry, older women still have more value than most men and they know it. These women just hate the fact that the huge sexual power they had naturally drops by age. It is just power lust, power of influence that almost no men ever had, pure entitlement. Karens are not annoying women, they are normal average women that have not got the memo they are older... they act as young women act, but they do not have the youth and enchanting look younger w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 09:23 PM
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My argument is that if you are not getting much from society anyway, why contribute more than necessary to it? It is a rational decision to stop producing surplus to a society that disavowed you or did not treat you as equal. Stuff such as porn and videogames is a way to escape, but also just finding a way to be more independent and enjoy your wealth is far better. I agree that staying as a loser is not ideal even if you decide to give up on dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 08:27 PM
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That is OK if people want to do stuff and success, but sometimes you know that it is unlikely for you and irrational to keep trying. For example, if you have not had any relationship ever, and you are in your mid 30s, it is likely you will not get any as a man. If you are virgin, even worse. Trying to change that will only breed desperation and dread when it ends up in nothing, especially for men in the spectrum. What is a biggest loser: Someone who keeps trying even without hope or someone who …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 08:16 PM
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Another poetic word soup with no substance or usefulness so ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 05:32 PM
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Precisely, the point is to shift all fault on the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 05:31 PM
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You don't get it. Women want to choose but they want to make YOUR fault. That way women can be WINNERS AND VICTIMS at the same time. Men are such idiots that they fall for this shit test.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 05:30 PM
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Women and Feminism fought to open the sexual market. It benefits women but only to a point. Women realized that, after all, marriage and commitment had some value. So they want to put the genie back in the bottle by shaming men into arbitrary age gaps and social norms. Sorry, but if we discard religious and cultural morality, why would women assume we would suddenly accept a made up feminist morality pull from their asses about age gaps? Fuck off. If you are a man of ANY age and you can get a 20…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 05:27 PM
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What makes you think that the former didn't force you to believe in the latter? You have a good point, I never saw it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 05:25 PM
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Agreed, but not enough yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 05:24 PM
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I agree with you, but I think it is more an arrangement of sorts. Society today is mainly a conspiracy between top men and women at the cost of average and bottom men. In the past, it was a conspiracy between average men and top men at the cost of women and bottom men. Maybe "conspiracy" is not the best term here, because it is not conscious, but how the institutions and people collectively sync in the most efficient way for the system. I don't know, but it seems that civilization is always a bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/23 04:07 PM
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Imagine paying $200 for a night of sex in a place you have to drive to, get checked and also share that woman. Therefore, it is better to have a woman in your house with some exclusivity, at lest. superficially. But I do agree prostitution has some advantages as variety. Still prostitution is not realistically accessible to most men in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 09:30 PM
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VR Porn
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 05:28 PM
2

Feminity is performative. Even how women dress and makeup shows this nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 05:28 PM
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Because almost everywhere women are portrait as "positive" and angelic. They aren't. Women are as selfish as men, and they have ulterior and dark impulses too. The Red Pill needs to put emphasis on this as a counterbalance to the common narrative, but it does not demonize women, it only shows the demons they already have.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 05:27 PM
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Well, I get sex they get money and American citizenship. Cheaper than prostitution, and way cheaper than Western women. Everyone wins. Love may or may not come, it does not really matter that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 05:21 PM
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