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CMVSame-Elevator566/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:44 PM
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Question for RedPillSame-Elevator566/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:50 AM
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CMVSame-Elevator566/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 03:44 AM
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CMVSame-Elevator566/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:14 AM
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CMVSame-Elevator566/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 02:39 PM
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CMVSame-Elevator566/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:10 PM
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CMVSame-Elevator566/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:56 PM
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CMVSame-Elevator566/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:01 PM
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CMVSame-Elevator566/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:32 PM
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Same-Elevator566/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 08:48 PM
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CMVSame-Elevator566/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 09:19 PM
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CMVSame-Elevator566/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 04:31 PM
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Same-Elevator566/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:10 AM
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My dream girl is the one that supported me at the bottom. You can't replace loyalty with beauty. It all fades. Now not wanting to have sex and not caring about being attractive for me is another story altogether. If she is not interested in making me happy anymore I'd divorce her for that reason, but it has nothing to do with options being better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 04:35 PM
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I mean, sure? Women don't need to have that skill and why should they? It would be like saying if most men were transferred into women's bodies they wouldn't be able to get married. Do you really believe most men have the capacity to be submissive, to want to cook and clean and the other things TRP says they prefer? Men have no idea how to do that, they can barely take care of themselves half the time. "You get no bitches" is just the female equivalent of "You'll die alone." Most folks on either…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:27 PM
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Redpill says WAY more than that. AWALT is one example, and is a core redpill belief that is fundamentally based in probabilities. The Female Delusion Calculator redpill uses all the time is another.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:18 PM
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In some cases. But if you look at the majority of the TRP belief system it is pretty squarely rooted in probabilities. AWALT is a perfect example of this - it's pure probabilistic thinking. Essentially, even if some women are different (a statistical certainty) the likelihood that any one woman falls outside the 2 standard deviations of the mean is low. It's a math equation. This is the other reason arguments between redpill and bluepill boils down to some variation of: "Not everyone thinks that…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/22 03:17 PM
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They aren't separate things in this situation. A lot would absolutely not say that. What are you basing this on? Quote me where I said that. You're a liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 04:01 PM
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Whether you can have children without getting married is not relevant, when we are talking about the risks of marriage. Family is why redpillers get married. They would never even get married if it weren't for the children, they have literally no reason to. I'm not talking about everyone, we're discussing redpill men. I never mentioned my personal decisions once, don't assume them. You clearly know nothing about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 01:41 AM
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The reason you think about what can fail is because no matter how well you know someone they can always surprise you. No matter how safe of a driver you are you can always get into an accident. There are some immutable aspects to humans, one being we change our minds. In fact we do it all the time. There is no amount of vetting that can predict this. Being paranoid is not the same as being risk averse. Paranoia is worry without cause. Really? I also work at startups and there are absolutely some…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 01:34 AM
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It is a valid argument against marriage, because marriage is causal with having children. It's like I say "going to the pool increases the risk of drowning so I don't want to go." and then you say "you can drown other places besides the pool, it's not a valid argument against going there. That's an argument against swimming in general, not against the pool." Like...what? The reason why you go to the pool is to swim. That's the whole point. You get married to have children and start a family. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 05:34 PM
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It is relevant. The only scenario where it might not be relevant is a pure 50/50 split on custody, which almost never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:54 PM
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Holy fuck you're really making me treat you like an idiot. https://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/family-finance/articles/child-support-laws-and-expectations U.S. law requires both parents to provide care for their child. If a parent does not have custody of their child, they are legally required, in most cases, to provide money to the other parent with custody until the child becomes an adult. As a parent, you are required to support your child financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:40 PM
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My points are clear. Most men enter marriage with the intent to start families. Marriages fail with high frequency, leading to a loss of custody. It's reasonable for men to avoid this and/or mitigate the associated risk. You are saying that the same men who want family, would be having babies outside the marriage, and I'm saying no they would not. There is no way in god's earth I would have kids if they weren't part of a stable two parent unit. I just wouldn't do it. Then you asked me if I knew …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:36 PM
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That is 100% always the case. You can't just not pay child support because you make less money. I'd really recommend understanding the law before having conversations like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:33 PM
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Yes? I have no clue what you are arguing or why.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:31 PM
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I do advocate for it. This whole thread is about risk mitigation, which is a success tactic. But I also understand why some people don't want it, and that's OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:28 PM
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It's not that women don't want to remarry, they just can't and don't want to lower their standards. Nothing else you said was relevant or contradicted my points. Until you can prove that 80% of women filing for divorce is different from who is initiating, that data point is in my favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:25 PM
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I live in the United States of America. I didn't say anything about a 100/0 split.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:24 PM
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It's a range, and some people aren't suited for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:23 PM
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I was the OP of that post, and yes you were. You just were not comprehending the argument. What do you mean by 'forcing someone to delete social media?' How do you do that besides asking them and drawing your boundaries? You just can't help insulting people with different preferences by calling them 'insecure.' It's actually hilarious. You're doing exactly what I said. When it's something being asked of you, like deleting social - it's abusive and insecurity. When it's something you want to chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:19 PM
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I didn't say they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:15 PM
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What are you talking about? Child support is payed to whoever has custody, whether you make more or less is not relevant. Higher earning women are incentivized to divorce because they win custody 80-90% of the time and hence get child support. Why is this so hard for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:12 PM
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The whole reason most people get married is to have children. They wouldn't have children otherwise. They then lose those children in divorce. Then you say 'you don't lose much in divorce?' What you are saying is nonsensical. What the fuck are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:10 PM
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'This is a relationship' is not an argument. Having a successful marriage requires skilled partner selection, great communication skills, conflict resolution, longterm planning, financial planning, etc. It's idiotic to believe some people aren't naturally much more skilled at those things than others. My point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:08 PM
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So what? A primary intent of marriage is to start a family. Losing your family is obviously a huge downside of divorce. Are you OK?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 03:06 PM
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The issue is about what leads to divorce, not marriage. Not one disputes that even the biggest sluts can marry beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 05:37 AM
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They don't, because if they did they would select for it. Most don't. No idea what your point is about breadwinners. No one is searching for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 05:28 AM
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Are you arguing that men and women take the same approach to sex? There is no difference between a man and a woman's sexuality? We are turned on by the same things in equal amounts? If that were true, wouldn't rape statistics be equal then? Wouldn't porn consumption be the same? I'm not trying to sound nice, I'm using facts. Whether there is more variation between people of the same gender is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 05:17 AM
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It doesn't apply to their own gender because women generally don't care. It's like saying broke women are just as bad as broke men and have equally bad qualities, but men are more willing to be providers for their partner and women aren't so they are far less willing to have an issue with it. It's not hypocrisy, it's a difference between genders and what they want in a mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 05:13 AM
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It's a pointless scenario. The whole problem in dating is that you don't truly know who someone is because you can't read their mind. If you can read someone's mind then every form of dating strategy goes out the window. Exchange slut with literally any other red flag and it wouldn't matter because you know exactly who they are deep down.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 05:11 AM
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If effort was all it took to be good at something Asians would win every Olympics and every Mexican would be in Harvard. Trying to teach someone with a totally different upbringing, brain chemistry, and sociological background to do what I can do innately is like a monkey trying to teach a fish to climb a tree.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 05:02 AM
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Yes, they absolutely will. Do you not know how child support works? What free money are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 04:54 AM
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It's not a justification, it's a fact. Men and women are different. We have different genetics and instincts. We engage with sex differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 04:53 AM
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I didn't go all out to mitigate risk, that's just who I am as a person. Like some people are extroverts, I mitigate risk. It comes so naturally that I barely have to even think about what I'm doing is abnormal. Asking someone to do what I do is like asking an introvert to 'get blackout drunk with strangers because we only live once' or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:39 AM
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I think it's totally fine to express your dislike for the church. Plenty of religious people don't care and don't even go, and would probably be happy not to attend as they don't care either way. People don't need to follow your rules. It is perfectly reasonable to state your preferences, and if the other person is open to making a concession then they do that. If not then you split. It's fine. I made plenty of concessions with my wife. For example, she didn't like that I followed a bunch of hot…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:33 AM
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And my point was that this is a perfect example of preference shaming. No one is asking someone to be forced to delete social media, but simply stating a preference for what they want out of a partner. If the partner wants to delete it, then great. If not, that's fine too and the relationship ends. This is the hypocritical double standard I see here often. Women have no problems attempting to change men, like asking them to be cleaner, or more romantic, but deleting social media is an abuse tact…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:31 AM
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No, women do not end up suffering financially more than men. Women take half of all assets earned during marriage because it legally belongs to them, and they win custody of the children 80-90% of the time, plus women win child support and alimony depending on the quality of life. Family courts are strongly biased towards women. If women were not incentivized to divorce, they wouldn't be the ones initiating divorce 80% of the time. There is no data on your side to support your thesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:27 AM
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They are inconsequential relative to men. Family courts strongly favor women, women are almost always awarded custody of children, and there are many social programs for women post-divorce. If women want to divorce their husbands they lose virtually nothing except the man, whereas the man loses some of the most important parts of himself and his life. This is why women initiate divorce 80% of the time. They have nothing to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:23 AM
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Men lose custody of their children 80-90% of the time. What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:22 AM
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I don't know what that means in this context, but generally no I do not advise people to go big or go home.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:21 AM
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Because women receive child custody 80-90% of the time, which includes child support payments from the father, financial support from the state, and family courts are in general more biased towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:20 AM
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That was a compound sentence. Read the other half and try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:16 AM
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In the same way I don't think your opinion matters much because you're a 1% risk taker, my opinion also doesn't matter much because I am the 1% in the other direction. I wouldn't tell other people to be like me, because I am also built different. Trust me, I've tried telling people how to mitigate risk effectively and it goes in one ear and out the other. I recognize that the majority of people don't have the ability to do what I do, and that's OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:15 AM
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Taking it too far is relative. I'm a very risk averse person, to the point I won't drive after 10pm because my night vision is not good and I think it's dangerous to be on the road with drunk people. That's meant we've missed out on some fun activities, but I'm the only person I know that has never once been in a car accident. Same thing here. What may seem extreme to you may just be men who have a higher threshold for risk aversion. I agree with you that you shouldn't be ridiculed for reducing …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:06 AM
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I'm not downvoting anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:02 AM
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Is it that extreme to say marriage is a bad deal for most men, and fails too much for comfort? That sounds pretty reasonable. Is it paranoid, or again is it risk mitigation? I've worked at startup companies with a high chance of failure. I actively look for red flags, because I understand how dangerous hidden risks can be. I don't want to be 6 months in then realize my boss is a megolomaniac and because it's a young company I have no health insurance. Being proactive in avoiding risky behavior j…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 02:01 AM
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And I'm saying that's completely reasonable. Skydiving is a risk. If you are a risk averse person, it's pretty reasonable not to go skydiving. I can agree with that while also believing there are ways to mitigate that risk by doing significant training, jumping with an expert, having a backup chute, etc. In the same way, I got value out of marriage because I took a large number of precautions to protect myself, and to be honest successful risk mitigation is kind of my whole thing. I would never …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 01:58 AM
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The failure is not relevant, it's the impact of the failure that's meaningful. If every car crash was like playing bumper cars no one would care about seat belts. The fact you can die is what makes it risky enough to justify changing your behavior. If my business fails but I'm better off afterwards, then the venture is not risky in any meaningful way. The fact marriage could fail is not relevant if it has no impact on someone's life. It's what happens as a result of that failure which makes it r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:51 PM
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Because it's not a 'valid choice' for people who are scared it is the 'recommended choice' for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:41 PM
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The problem is less the cheating than the divorce. If divorce didn't result in men losing their children, homes, and money it wouldn't be as big of a deal. People just go their separate ways. Women generally are the ones pushing for marriage because these risks are basically inconsequential to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:39 PM
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I'm not doing something inherently risky though. It's not risky to start a business if you're already financially set and have clear market signals. The worse that could happen is it doesn't work and I go back to being financially set. It would be very risky if I was broke, had no market signals, and no cofounders. Then I'm putting all my eggs in that one basket, and if it doesn't work out I'm screwed. That's where risk mitigation comes in. Part of that risk mitigation in relationships is to cho…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:36 PM
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Not in my case. When I started my business I already had a few $100K in the bank for savings, no debt, co-founders in similar positions, strong market signals, venture capital funding, a well known brand (outside the startup) and letters of intent. Even if things totally blew up, I had a massive safety net, and would have come out ahead of where I started by a wide margin. It took me 8 years to assemble all that. Speeding (especially 120mph) is FAR more risky for most people. My cousin was going…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:17 PM
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We're talking about different types of risk. Men don't want to risk getting with a partner who cheats on them and takes half their money. Generally women don't care about that. No offense, but talking to you is really tough because it feels like I'm explaining things to a child. Can you try to read my posts a little more critically?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:08 PM
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If women wanted to mitigate risk then they wouldn't sleep around and we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:04 PM
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Yeah, that's what I thought. Like I said, I don't think your opinions are worth much since you have very low risk tolerance, probably lower than 99% of people. I'm very risk sensitive. Also, not only have I been married a long time but I've also have more than one startup exit. The point I'm making is that success is not a result of how much risk you take - but how intelligent you are in how you handle that risk. 'No risk, no reward' isn't the dichotomy. My first company I spent 8 years on risk …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:03 PM
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Got it. So you're the type to risk death for your job. I think that explains your attitude on divorce as well. Nice chat, but I think you're in the bottom 1% of risk tolerance and your opinion on divorce/marriage is likely equally extreme. For most people, there are almost no circumstances where driving 120mph is worth the risk unless it was life-threatening.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:46 PM
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Way to avoid the question. I'll repeat it: Let's say I'm late to an event I really need to be on time to. According to you, I should speed 120 mph because I can't let fear hold me back from achieving my goals, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:39 PM
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Would you say that driving the speed limit is a valid choice for people who afraid of death? You are framing this in a very bizarre way that makes no sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:36 PM
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What do you mean avoiding those things is the goal? The reason you get into a car is to avoid death? Aren't you trying to get somewhere? Let's say I'm late to an event I really need to be on time to. According to you, I should speed 120 mph because I can't let fear hold me back from achieving my goals, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:33 PM
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When you put on a seatbelt you are experiencing fear?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:19 PM
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To redpill, it doesn't matter. Their belief is that in the West there is so much incentive to divorce that the likelihood will always be high, regardless of what steps you take to protect yourself. I think it's very reasonable to avoid an activity that is very high-risk, don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:15 PM
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Because it is. If women want to sleep around and engage in other risky behaviors it is against their interests if men mitigate risk by refusing to date women with these qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:10 PM
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The argument redpillers use is that ~50% of marriages fail therefore the risk is not worth it. Sort of like saying, "There's a 50% chance every you time you drive of getting into a wreck." I think it would be a totally reasonable risk mitigation strategy to take the bus, don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:08 PM
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Sure, I don't see why not. I think everyone should have more traditional selection choices, but if people want to engage in risky behaviors it's on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:06 PM
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So protecting yourself against risk means you are afriad? Again, what evidence do you have of this? By your logic, wearing a seatbelt or driving slower because you could get in an accident means you are afraid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:05 PM
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Really? I see women shaming men for their preferences every day. I made another post where I said some men don't want a woman on social media, and I had 100 answers say it was abusive and controlling behavior. I don't think redpill men believe every single woman with these qualities is a bad partner. The problem is its simply not worth taking the risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:04 PM
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Recognizing that sometimes things go wrong means you are always afraid? Do you have any evidence of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:02 PM
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So you have nothing left to say. That's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:14 PM
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I'm guessing you have nothing left to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:12 PM
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Paying for the baby or not has no relevancy in this conversation. Reread the thread again from the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:09 PM
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This conversation is about getting a vasectomy vs. getting tubes tied. If a couple wants to prevent unwanted pregnancies, it should always be a woman's responsibility to get her tubes tied, because men have no reproductive rights. Otherwise, men can do what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:06 PM
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Plenty of leverage, considering most women are now chasing the top % of men. I think if women rejoice from not being chased, that's great. They can do the approaching and everyone is happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 07:02 PM
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If it won't ever be equal, then the discussion around vasectomies is off the table. There is literally no reason to get an invasive surgery without equal reproductive rights. If women don't want children, it is on them to get their tubes tied. Your choice, your responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:59 PM
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Men were forced to accept it, they didn't want to. It took a concerted effort from feminists over a long period of time to convince men that sexual freedom should not be socially stigmatized.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:57 PM
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Yes. Now men should start changing and women will accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:51 PM
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When men get an equal say in what happens to their child/sperm.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:50 PM
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https://legaljobs.io/blog/child-custody-statistics/ Looks like it was 80%, not 90%.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 06:49 PM
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Women working and not consigned to be stay at home mothers? Women getting educated? Women entering STEM fields? Women having sex before marriage and sexual promiscuity in general? Ending the stigma around single marriage or parenthood? Not requiring shotgun marriages after unexpected pregnancy? The end to the importance of virginity? Are you blind or just unobservant?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:47 PM
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"When men get equal reproductive rights as women"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:45 PM
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Because they absolutely do. I've seen it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:44 PM
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When men get equal reproductive rights as women, as in having a say what happens to the baby or the financial burden associated with it, then we can have a talk about vasectomies. There is no universe where any man needs to consider a surgical procedure to prevent pregnancy in the current legal climate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:02 PM
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I'm talking about eliminating gender norms. 'Stop anytime' has nothing to do with societal norms, which required a concerted top down effort to mitigate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 04:46 PM
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The incentive is to stop doing things you don't want to do. Toxicity has nothing to do with gender norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 04:36 PM
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I just told you the incentive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 04:34 PM
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Go back, reread what I said, and try to process it better. It is an order of magnitude difference in risk. Getting your heart broken in a divorce is different from getting your heart broken and losing your children, which women get 90% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 04:34 PM
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The womansplaining is hilarious. Having a nice car is a sign of wealth. Bring a luxury car around a group of women and they fawn over it. Please keep telling me why men do things, it's funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 04:31 PM
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Because men want to be treated better and fairly in dating and marriage, but are socially influenced to act against their best interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 04:08 PM
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The difference is that 'getting hurt' for women usually involves divorce, and making out like a bandit with the kids, child support and half the man's shit. The man 'getting hurt' involves half his things being taken and losing his children and his home. We are talking about an order of magnitude difference in risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:57 PM
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If they do, it's far less important than what women think. Men don't buy nice cars or work long hours to show off to other men. It's to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:50 PM
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Whether or not you get sanctioned is irrelevant. We are talking about social norms. Yes, that is my suggestion. Men should stop being the first to approach, definitely stop proposing, stop buying rings, and communicate this all up front.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:49 PM
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I'm a man. I think I get it. Thanks for womansplaining my own understanding of men though lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:11 PM
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The data isn't weak at all. I don't know about you, but I prefer not being lied to in general. I think most people would agree with me. I'm not avoiding your question, you just don't understand my answer. Go back and read the post again then try to summarize my point back to me. If you can do that I'll try to be more direct.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:09 PM
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I understand it's from the article. I'm asking why you think it's relevant to me? How is my analogy a false equivalency? It is literally the perfect equivalent. Here's an article that says the average person tells 4 lies per day. Based on this, does that mean we shouldn't care if someone lies to us? That is what you are asking. Just because something is common, doesn't mean it's permissible. In order to prevent bad behaviors from occurring, we need to incentivize people to not engage in those be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 03:00 PM
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No, I don't think you do. You do not understand the difference between micro and macro decision making. For example, I believe that social programs that help people out of bad situations are good, because not everyone can make good decisions at the macro level, no matter how much we expect them to. If you think we shouldn't have things like welfare or aid of any kind, then I think you have an internally consistent argument but we just disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:51 PM
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Is your quote supposed to mean something to me? Emotional cheating and physical cheating are both cheating. I didn't discriminate, you did. They both lead to divorce, which was my entire point. That being said, I want you to tell me why you're ok with someone that's willing to cheat given the opportunity but not someone that actually does cheat? Because I think everyone is willing to cheat under the right circumstances, based on the data I just gave you. The goal is to prevent those circumstance…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:47 PM
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You keep confusing your personal relationship with macro society. Do you understand what that means?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:40 PM
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If you don't think women mock men over their height and how much money they make you are out of touch and your opinion on this shouldn't be taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:40 PM
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You keep mixing up words (lying) to win the argument. You are using the word 'control' like 'controlling one's emotions' (healthy) with abusive controlling as if they are interchangeable terms. They are not. These have very specific definitions, which I already gave you. If you can't debate honestly, then I definitely have no problem stepping away.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:38 PM
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That's great for you as an individual, but at the macro scale social pressures influence millions of people, so does parenting and education. If mothers and fathers are raising their sons to engage in gender norms to their detriment, we should probably try to stop that right? It's not as simple as 'just do what you want' when we are products of our environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:24 PM
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Yes, society prohibits it. That's what a gender norm is. A cultural expectation of behavior. Those are bad and should go away, We did it for women, let's do it for men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:13 PM
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Absolutely false. Most men don't care what other men think at all. That's how women think. Men aren't typically insulting each other for their height, or what job he has or how much money he earns. Those are all things women mock men over.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:12 PM
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I don't know, do some investigation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:10 PM
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I mean what I said - your education means nothing. When a women is more educated her standards go up. That doesn't mean they are going to choose you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:10 PM
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No, most men are not fine with it. They do it because they have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:09 PM
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I can tell you with absolute certainty most men do not want to buy engagement rings or constantly approach. No, it's awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:08 PM
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We fundamentally disagree. I think it's perfectly reasonable to vocalize the things you want, and don't want in a partner and a relationship. Women do this all the time. If their partner is spending too much time out at parties or not cleaning up after themselves, they will vocalize how they want them to change. There is nothing wrong with saying "I don't want to be with someone who does X." It is simply a preference, and that's OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:07 PM
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This is a debate sub, and I provided a source. If you want to pick it apart fine, but I'm not going to go scrounging for more like a monkey while you sit around doing no work and refusing to accept the data. Ironically, that is exactly what flat earthers do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:02 PM
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No, we should care. Men have been socialized to accept gendered unfair dating norms, the same way women were. We should all strive to change this, don't you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:00 PM
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If you are traditional then that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 02:00 PM
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Then what are you arguing against? I don't get it. You are against gender roles, but oppose the post? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:59 PM
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I don't get your point. Do women get pregnant and breastfeed babies with every man they meet? Why would this be relevant unless you are deciding to start a family together?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:58 PM
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You asked for a figure, I gave it to you, and I gave you a source. You can engage based on the data I provided or move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:01 PM
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I definitely don't think the majority of people are fine with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:58 PM
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What does not using social media have to do with control? I don't get it. It's just like a vegan saying they don't want a meateater. Are they trying to control that person's diet? Help me understand what you are saying, and why it's not a preference like anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:57 PM
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Why wouldn't it? Men feel emasculated because there is a gendered expectation around what women want/deserve, and failing to meet that expectation results in mockery. It's not like men come out of the womb wanting to pay thousands of dollars for jewelry or innately feel confident approaching women on dates. These are social constructions, and they can be undone by women changing their behavior and preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:55 PM
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Tech advances are a pretty big deal though, right? Like dating apps and social media massively changed things didn't they? Do you just like to put on blinders and assume these things won't exist so you get blindsinded or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:53 PM
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It's a list of things that are currently gender based expectations, and that's wrong. It seems like you are advocating for gender-based discrimination in the household, right? If not, you wouldn't be disagreeing with me. I agree that what you mentioned should be handled equitably. Like do you want those expectations to continue or something? I can't wrap my head around what you are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:52 PM
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Men absolutely want to change those things. Do you think men really want to spend $5,000 on a engagement ring or be expected to always do the approaching? I'd love it if women approached me on a regular basis, that seems awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:48 PM
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Your education is meaningless, a woman's education is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:47 PM
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I think that would probably change with the invention of sex bots.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:46 PM
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Why does if a man can afford it or not matter? If a woman is making money why can't she pick it up to show interest in him? Chivalry is meaningless because it treats women like princesses and they aren't - their regular workers just like everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:46 PM
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No? So that everyone has a more satisfying data life without feeling the need to follow a gender norm that only made sense 50 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:45 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:37 PM
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There's plenty of reasons
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:36 PM
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I nonironically think sex robots will fix that. I am a strong believer in legalizing prostitution. Then most men wouldn't care too much about dating
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:34 PM
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Not true. Women will date down if they are desperate enough
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:33 PM
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That's just conditioning and culture. Women who make more should date down just like men do. Saying 'muh biology' is the same as the redpillers. You can change, it just doesn't benefit you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:33 PM
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Lots of things change over time. We can change this too
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:32 PM
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I dunno, read through some of the comments by women in this thread
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:31 PM
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I don't get your point. Are you saying you want the above experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:30 PM
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Are you saying that you want to be in a relationship where women do the above? There's nothing wrong with that, different strokes for different folks. Seems like you are advocating for misogyny though, which is weird coming from a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:30 PM
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I think we need to advocate for men to not feel emasculated, and that requires women doing that part to start doing the approaching and potentially being rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:29 PM
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What does that have to do with anything? Your ability to birth children is irrelevant. Being penetrated is literally meaningless to who proposed to whom. How are these things connected?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:28 PM
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The problem is most women still adhere to genered dating norms so they refuse to ask men out themselves, thereby forcing the man to pay, in effect. I think culturally we should stop this bad practice
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:25 PM
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I am, I advocate for other men to reject gender norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:20 PM
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That's great. Maybe tell the angry women in this thread they should do all these things also.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:20 PM
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Why would you vet against it? Why do you want gendered dating norms?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:19 PM
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They absolutely do have leverage. Look at the black community where women have like a 2x graduation rate compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 08:18 PM
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30 years old for women is 6 feet for men. It's just a benchmark on what that person is typically attracted to. Obviously a 5'8" celebrity and 35 year old model both wouldn't have any problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:01 PM
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It's also totally fine to want a healthy relationship where there is no sugar involved. Plenty of vegans only date other vegans. If you can't handle that, don't date these people instead of bitching and moaning about someone else's preferences being abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 12:01 PM
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46% have cheated physically 90% have cheated emotionally https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/emotional-affair So yes, I am right. And I was right about the intelligence thing too, it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:58 AM
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You are now just lying and gaslighting. The whole point in bringing up 'controlling behavior' is in the context of abuse. Stop trying to reframe it because you know you are wrong. It's not a big difference. Deleting socials doesn't fall into that category of abuse either, especially when A.) both parties delete their social B.) it isn't something either party obsessively cares about like most people here C.) it doesn't make the other person intimiated or insecure. Just admit you don't know what …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:57 AM
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"A lot of people disagree with you" is not an argument. In a debate, you have to prove your statements. Most people until recently thought gay marriage was immoral. But apparently your point of view is every popular opinion is correct by default. It's idiotic. You are the one who made the claim I imported my wife, and you made a claim that her culture may have a different standard for marriage. She is westernized, nor was she imported. You are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 11:52 AM
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You have no clue what point I'm making, do you? I'm saying that everyone has the capacity to cheat, and we know that because almost everyone has cheated. That is not the same as saying your partner would cheat if they could. It doesn't make any sense. That doesn't even begin to address even a single thing I said, I'm starting to think less of your intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 09:03 PM
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Reddit is absolutely not a mix of Only Fans, what the fuck? That's sounds like what you're into. Reddit is just a reflection of what the internet things is interesting. I don't even know what gonewild is, but no I'm not comftorable with my wife doing porn. That has nothing to do with Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 08:52 PM
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No it isn't, you're just twisting words. A controlling relationship is one where one partner dominates the other in an unhealthy, self-serving manner. If your partner constantly makes you feel intimidated, insecure, or guilty, you could be in a controlling relationship. And control in a relationship is a form of abuse. That's a quote from Google. Please explain how 'I'd like it if you didn't talk to your ex" fits the category above? Literally no psychologist on Earth would agree with you. This b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 08:50 PM
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If you're not willing to give up something and fight for it so strongly, I'd wager you probably use social media compulsively. It's like asking a fat kid to give up sugar. Social media is objectively bad for you, but if I say that it's controlling. Makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 08:47 PM
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Public consensus means nothing in a room full of idiots. You are making the statement, so you have to prove why your statement is true. I have provided a very clear and logical defense: It is not isolation, because she still has access to all her friends and family through other means. Do you know what the word import means? I didn't import my wife - I met her, and married her in another country. My wife is also westernized, and grew up in a westernized city. No one tolerates abuse. You have no …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 08:45 PM
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Then you're just wrong and don't understand the psychology of cheating. Almost everyone is willing to lie if it's in their best interest. The idea that most people are noble is absurd. Here is a study that shows over 46% of people have cheated and that doesn't even include 'soft cheating.' I believe when accounting for emotional affairs the number goes up to 90%. Reducing risk doesn't imply that at all. It implies that I understand how people think. If someone is starving, they'll steal bread. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 08:39 PM
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Saying 'cheaters will cheat' is false. Most people don't decide to wake up one day and cheat. It is a combination of things not going well in a relationship, and one person beginning to push at the boundaries of that relationship with friends/ex's, which eventually give way to sex or an inappropriate outcome. If you don't think minimizing these relationships reduces risk we have nothing more to discuss, because it is simply denying reality. Denying this is bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 08:06 PM
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Just saying 'it is' over and over is not an argument. Isolation is the intent of removing people from someone's life. Social media is a platform for consuming media. There are plenty of other mechanisms of communicating with people. You're just wrong. They don't meet them by moving to another country for work and meeting them the same way anyway else does with dating of any other kind. Do you not have any clue what you're talking about or are you trolling?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 08:02 PM
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No they don't, judging by the responses here. These people don't even care if someone is talking to an ex, which is bar the most likely person a partner could cheat with. Social is one of the largest causes of divorce. 1/7 divorces now list social media as a primary cause of divorce. Fact check it. The rules absolutely do something. They set clear boundaries to the relationship. It doesn't prevent it completely, but it certainly mitihates risk. Looking at someone's behavior and their willingness…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 05:04 PM
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That's the point. If someone is not willing to engage in trustworthy behaviors willingly they are not compatible with redpillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 05:00 PM
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It's not. It is completely reasonable and something the vast majority of women I have encountered prefer in their partners as well. Where did you grow up that it's normal to be friends with people you fucked after getting into a serious relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 04:58 PM
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It absolutely is not and the person you are responding to is correct. 99% of people on reddit are totally anonymous. It is completely different from Facebook and Instagram that are attached to your personal life, your photos, and your daily existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 04:56 PM
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And I have informed all 8905 people in this thread that deleting social media is not a form of isolation. It just simply is not. There are dozens of mechanisms to stay in touch with friends and family. Social media is a media platform. I didn't have to import my wife. I lived outside the US most of my life which is where we met. Nice try.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 04:54 PM
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Haha interesting assumption that because I don't see a big need for social media then my life is basic. In my opinion, people who are obsessed with social media like you and others have an addiction that I am not compatible with. Different strokes with different folks. I actually care about my friends and family and not in a vapid way. When I'm home I spend time with my friends and extended family. I don't have a single use case for social media. I don't mind reddit because it's not a dating app…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 04:51 PM
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Limiting social outlets is in no way shape or form controlling. It's simply not what that word means. Why keep saying it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 04:47 PM
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You take all of your opinions from studies? That's goofy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:50 AM
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https://bdtechtalks.com/2019/10/25/social-media-impact-marriage-us/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:55 PM
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OK
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:50 PM
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Social media is one of the top reasons for divorce, and one of the common vehicles cheating couples use to communicate with the other man/woman. It objectively and statistically poses a clear threat to the marriage. That's fine, but asking a partner to change their behavior is not controlling. I wasn't a very clean person, and my wife asked me to change to make her more comfortable at home. I put a lot of effort into doing that even though it was hard. I've asked her to change things too, like h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:49 PM
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Trust is not a feeling, it's a threshold and that threshold is achieved as an outcome of behaviors. Which is what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:45 PM
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Of course it's mitigating risk. If someone was known to drink and drive, it wouldn't be mitigating risk to say 'I only want to be with someone who doesn't do that because I don't want to get into a car wreck and die?' That would be controlling to you, because it's asking to change their behavior? Are you saying you can never ask your partner to change anything that might be a threat to the relationship? If that is how you feel we just fundamentally disagree on how adults should handle longterm c…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:42 PM
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Er, no? I don't mind deleting reddit, it just wasn't on our list of social media to remove.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:36 PM
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Having a preference is not controlling. Sorry, but it's just not. No one is being forced. My wife told me she wasn't interested in dating someone who was talking to an ex. I wasn't so we were a good fit. I am mitigating risk, not assuming the worst. I put on a seatbelt and buy car insurance because I understand bad things might happen so I prepare for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:35 PM
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I think faith is stupid, which is what you are talking about. Trust is evidence based. All your examples like pilots and fast food workers are evidence based, you aren't trusting these individuals for no reason. It is not unreasonable to push for proof in relationships. That's all there is to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:33 PM
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It's not trying to change your friends. It's stating a preference, which you can either accept or not. If you are friends with an ex, that would make you incompatible with redpillers. That's fine. It's a totally reasonable preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:27 PM
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I don't really consider reddit social media, but I would happily delete it if my wife wanted me to. I don't think it's controlling at all to prefer someone who doesn't care enough about social media to fight over it. You also ignored my comment about ex's. Do you disagree that most people don't want to date someone friends with an ex? Is that also controlling?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:22 PM
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I think you have probably have an unhealthy attachment to these online accounts which is it feels so extreme. That attachment is exactly the reason I'm not compatible with people who feel that way. I would happily delete my reddit if my wife felt uncomfortable, it wouldn't even be a debate. This is just a way to pass time. The internet is infinite, I could do a million things. Why would I ever prioritize a time waster over my wife's feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:20 PM
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I don't think asking someone not to be friends with an ex romantic partner is controlling, if it is most people are controlling. It feels like a totally reasonable expectation. Deleting social media is a requirement, but if someone doesn't want to do that it means the couple is not compatible. No one is being controlled. I don't have social media either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:17 PM
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Thanks for responding. Feel free to continue until you're satisfied, but I'm not interested in debating further
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:15 PM
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Uh, no. What you are describing is 'faith.' Faith is belief without evidence. Faith is for Christians and children who believe in Santa Clause. Trust according to Google is: assured reliance on the character, ability, strength, or truth of someone or something. There is no mention in any definition of 'belief in a claim without proof.' That's insane. You don't need to demand proof from the airline because you understand that only accredited pilots can fly a plane for a legitimate airline. You ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:11 PM
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I never mentioned control once. Why did you read that into what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:04 PM
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Why is it gross? What does a 'rock solid history' in the context of a relationships look like? What is an example of a trust-building behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:04 PM
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Sure. You're obviously not getting the point here. I have no clue what your second paragraph means. I can't understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:02 PM
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It doesn't mean they won't - it means that the boundaries of the relationship are clearly established and crossing those boundaries means cheating. Unlike when a woman can say an ex is a platonic friend, and the lines become very blurry. I don't think it looks weak at all. Seems smart to me. It blows my mind that so many people here think that the majority of people are OK with their partner having a continued relationship with an ex. I haven't dated a single woman that finds this acceptable, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 08:01 PM
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There is nothing abusive about wanting someone who doesn't talk to their ex's and doesn't have social media. Ironically, these were both things my wife said she loved about ME, and the former was a hard requirement for us to date at all. The fact you talk about abuse this way validates my opinion that most bluepillers have no idea what these words even mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:57 PM
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OK
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:56 PM
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You keep responding to me. I'll keep saying goodbye until you get the hint.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:56 PM
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I expect that if I don't drive safely, yes I could die. That's why I take steps to be safe on the road.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:55 PM
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If you think it's silly it's fine. It's not to other people. Everyone has a different hill. I've seen people cheat on social media. I've been the person women have messaged when they had a husband/boyfriend. I've seen it, and I've also seen how women are prone to gaslighting and lying about our relationship to get what they want. The communication apps aren't as big of a deal with the open phone policy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:20 PM
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Go and read my post again. It doesn't matter whether they are friends or not. You are certainly within your right to make requests, as long as you aren't forcing anyone. YOU don't have the right to dictate what people need to feel comfortable in your relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:17 PM
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That's their right, but it's also my right to have any preference for dating I want. I can make any request I want. If someone would rather remove a friend to keep seeing me, that's their choice. They valued me over their friend. It's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:15 PM
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Creepy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:14 PM
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There's hundreds of ways to keep in touch. Whatsapp, viber, group chat, slack, discord, your phone's contact list. There's no problem using Messenger. Communication apps are not the same as social media. If you aren't willing to mitigate risk in your relationships that's fine, you just aren't suited for a redpiller. I don't know why folks are upset about this. It's fine to have preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:12 PM
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How is that isolating them from contact? I'm always confused when people say this. My wife speaks to all her friends on whatsapp, Viber, imessage, etc. I think its a weird leap to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:10 PM
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It's creepy you're still obsessively messaging me after I withdrew my consent to keep talking. Please stop
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:09 PM
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Is it really an insecurity? If a woman was battered by an alcoholic boyfriend, would you say it's projecting her insecurities to not want to date someone who drinks heavily? That seems like a reasonable request learned from experience and completely within her right to prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:08 PM
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Why not? I think it's completely reasonable and it sounds like it improved your relationship. Just saying 'you shouldn't because they aren't your authority' isn't a good argument. I am very willing to change my behavior to make my wife more comfortable, and that includes cutting out people she doesn't like. I'm married to her for the rest of my life, so within reason her needs come first.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:06 PM
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But why? Seems like your ex was perfectly fine to cut you out to support his wife. It seems like your ex stopped talking to you because of what his wife wanted, so doesn't that contradict your last statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 06:00 PM
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You are not equipped for this conversation. Feel free to keep going but I'm not interested in debating with you anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:55 PM
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There are many ways to keep in touch with friends. I think it's important that you at least acknowledge why social media is ripe for cheating - because there is no filter on who is allowed in your life. Some social media applications like Snapchat were quite literally designed for cheating (disappearing messages). Instagram allows users to message almost anyone, whether they are friends are not. They are used like dating apps very frequently. I make the same point about the club. The club is a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:54 PM
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You're not equipped for this conversation. Goodbye
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:48 PM
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It's fine if people have their own preferences, but that doesn't mean it's a foundation of an abusive relationship. You are projecting your own fears onto relationships with an entirely different set of standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:47 PM
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The cause of it is irrelevant. It causes jealousy and arguments. It's better to eliminate it and avoid the risk. I think you're not equipped for this conversation, so I'm bowing out now. Bye
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:46 PM
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Math? There are 60 million business pages and 10 million ad accounts. There are 2 billion accounts on facebook. At best that's less than 5% of accounts with a business page. I'm talking about most people yes. The average age of a Facebook user is 25-34.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:44 PM
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People who say things like this, I just automatically tune out as not having a relevant opinion. There's nothing wrong at all with having standards and preferences of behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:37 PM
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I have no problem with that
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:36 PM
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If you don't know what you're talking about, just say that. https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/facebook-has-become-a-leading-cause-in-divorce-cases-27803
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:34 PM
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How is it controlling? Just saying 'it walks like a duck' is not an argument. Make a point or don't respond. My wife's two main dating criteria are ambition are humbleness. She's told me she looks for signs of these things, and if she doesn't see them early in the relationship she'll leave. My two main criteria are trust and respect. The only real difference between the two of us is I'll tell her what my conditions are, and exactly what I mean by trust. I think this is very fair, and sets a grea…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:32 PM
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Social media is the number 7 reason for divorce. Other than that I have no idea what you're trying to say. The point is to date people who think similarly about risk mitigation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:25 PM
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How did I change the topic? I don't believe trust is believing what someone says in a vacuum. Trust is an outcome of behaviors, like confidence. I am confident in my ability to play chess, because I have practiced it many times. I am trusting of what someone says because they have proved their trustworthiness through their behaviors. The more potential damage can be done to me by trusting when it isn't deserved, the more someone will need to prove trust through their actions. I think flying a pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:24 PM
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No, I trust her completely. I don't understand your statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:19 PM
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No, I'm not Muslim. Burkas are about controlling the desires of other men. That's not relevant to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:18 PM
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I don't see any problem with phones, considering they are opt-in access and necessary for daily life. The problem with social media (which no one seems to grasp) is that it is about letting random people or unknowns have access to your partner's life in certain environments specifically designed for cheating in some cases. Snapchat is an example. Social media is just not necessary to function and people make do easily without it. Same thing with going to the club. The club is quite literally des…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:16 PM
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My wife isn't even from the US. It doesn't require social media to communicate with them, that's why I specifically mentioned WhatsApp. Communications apps are totally fine. I get that's your specific situation, and again, that's fine. You just aren't suitable for a redpiller. You don't have to keep justifying it. I wouldn't want someone who has a large group of male friends. My wife literally has only female friends and gay guys. She has work acquintances, but not enough to regularly speak to o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:14 PM
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There's no need for isolation (why do people keep saying this?) My wife doesn't have social media, but she uses whatsapp heavily and talks to all her friends there and through phone calls and texts. You know, the way people did for decades before social media. The problem with social is that you are exposing yourself to potentially random people on the internet. Snapchat was basically designed for cheating. It builds trust not to use applications like that. I think sharing passwords is a great e…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:08 PM
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It's not controlling, it's risk mitigation. I think you're confusing an attempt to be safe for abuse, and that's wrong. The goal isn't to limit or significantly change someone's behavior, it's to find a partner that understands and feels the same way. It would be the equivalent of a woman who wants a man who makes more than her being called a gold-digger. There are plenty of men who are happy and even desire a relationship that like. It's consensual, and totally fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:06 PM
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I mean, good for you? Everyone should have preferences. My only point is that what redpillers want isn't actually that unreasonable, its just a different perspective on trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:03 PM
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Me and my wife use Whatsapp, Viber, phone calls, and texts to keep in touch with friends and family. Slack chats and private discords for families/friends are also things I've seen work. Really anything where there is a filter in who gets in/out unlike say Instagram or Snapchat where anyone can send a message in secret. For events there's lots of good stuff like nextdoor, meetup.com, eventbrite (We go to tech talks on a semi-regular basis) LinkedIn, etc. There's a ton of specialty websites for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:02 PM
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That's fine, it just disqualifies you and other women with children who are on speaking terms with the father from having relationships with redpillers because it's a risk. And there is no doubt that it is, many women end up cheating with their ex. No one can know the inside of your mind. I think it's a very reasonable standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:58 PM
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You aren't equipped for this conversation. Goodbye
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:56 PM
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I was responding to your points, that's absurd. You on the other hand just ignored my question entirely. I disagree with your opinion of trust. I think my scenario was very clear. You interview someone to play the gun-game with you. Would you assume good intent/have trust of everyone you meet? This is a direct counter to your point that humans require default trust. My point is the type of trust you are talking about only applies for low-risk situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:56 PM
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That's fine, it just means you aren't willing to exhibit the trustworthy behaviors redpillers target. I don't think it's unreasonable not to want to be with someone who is still close to their ex. Plenty of women feel the same way (including my wife).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:51 PM
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It's my hypothetical/analogy, they can work however I want. You're really bad at this lol I think we're done since you can't engage in good faith. Bye
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:49 PM
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No? I don't think literally redpiller would disagree with statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:48 PM
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I'm not sure where you're pulling 'hate' from. Not having social media mitigates risk. I want someone who is willing to mitigate risk by removing social media. It's really that simple. You sound silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:47 PM
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That's why it's important to ensure there are trustworthy behaviors in place from the start. There are no guarantees in life, but we can always strive to have the most trustworthy partners possible - and that starts from seeing what someone is willing to do to mitigate risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:45 PM
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I just said it's not one-to-one. If you want, imagine its a car that you never have to trade in. No one is living in fear. Do you think we shouldn't have employee protections in the workplace?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:43 PM
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Most people are not using social media for making money, advertising for their business, and keeping up with friends for 20 years ago, are you joking? Generally its just posting photos online and validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:42 PM
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If you're not going to respond to my points, why respond at all. Answer my initial question.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:38 PM
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No it's a good analogy. It doesn't have to be one-to-one. You just aren't willing to deal with it. Using social media can be harmful to the relationship. It is the #7 reason for divorce. Eliminating it mitigates risk. This is like saying cutting out employee protections would make the workplace safer because it builds trust. It doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:38 PM
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People willing to mitigate risk are inherently more trustworthy than those that aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:35 PM
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Just because you say it, doesn't make it so. You have to prove that, and you haven't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:33 PM
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Why would I compare it to something I enjoy, when I want someone who doesn't really care about it, like me? You're really reaching to discount a personal preference. It's weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:32 PM
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That's being smart and mitigating risk. I don't party after 11pm because I know the roads are more dangerous. I've never been in a wreck, never gotten in trouble for driving drunk, never even gotten a speeding ticket. Some people bias towards minimizing risk to maximize upside. Your assumptions are incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:30 PM
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That's you reading into it and making assumptions. There is nothing controlling about what I said. What you have had opportunities to do aren't relevant to me. I have personally experienced women cheating over social media, and I know how sneaky it can be.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:29 PM
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What you deem as force, I deem as a preference. No one can force you to do anything. Women who don't keep in touch with their ex wouldn't feel 'forced' by a man who that as a precondition. When there's a will there's a way, but doing trustworthy things is a sign that someone is less likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:27 PM
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It's not up to you to decide what people's preferences are or should be. I did fine for myself, and I have very exlcusionary preferences. Second, I promise you if a woman really wants to lie there are very few social queues to pick up on. The best bet is to not pick women who have an incentive to lie in the first place, and live in a way that begets trust. If trustworthy women nope out, that's totally fine. Personally, I want someone who is willing to demonstrate they are trustworthy, not just s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:25 PM
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Judging by the reactions in this thread my assesment that bluepillers tend to trust more was right on the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:21 PM
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I think it really depends. If someone says "I think all men have the potential to rape, therefore I avoid places like the club where rape could happen" very few redpillers would have a problem with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:20 PM
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It's not trust issues, as I said. It's having a higher prequisite for trust. Having trust issues is not trusting someone when there behaviors indicate good intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:18 PM
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It absolutely does it make it harder, which is why cheaters are very unwilling to do those things. The prerequisite isn't to stop them from cheating, it's a signal of how trustworthy they are in the first place. The only way trust is built is by engaging in trustworthy behaviors. The more someone engages in trustworthy behaviors, the more confident you can be that they will handle themselves morally in all scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:17 PM
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Is that true or just your opinion? I expect the worst on the road and therefore drive safely. I've never been in an accident.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 03:08 PM
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They are entitled to that opinion, and in some cases rape could be preferable to losing your child. That's not what I was responding to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 03:05 PM
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Haha stop trying to infringe on my analogy that I created, you are wrong. The car is the marriage. Either address what I'm saying or I'm going to stop talking to you. The car in this analogy is the marriage. I can take out insurance on the car to protect it (prenup). I can do certain behaviors to increase my safety in the car, like wearing a seatbelt. There are some things which could be helpful or harmful (like using a phone for GPS). I choose to cut out potentially harmful behaviors. That's it…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 03:04 PM
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Why is it a lack of self respect if I don't really care about social media in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:52 PM
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No, so long as those steps are reasonable themselves. To continue with our social media example, I think it's very reasonable to ask for the passwords to your partner's accounts or to link accounts if possible. You could even "introduce" your partner to your friends by making a group chat. Sure, that's fine. This is getting at the gist out of the request. I do not think it's reasonable to ask them to delete something they've had since they were in college, for making money, advertising for their…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:51 PM
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You can't just say 'no' without addressing the analogy. What you're saying doesn't even make sense. How could you have seatbelts (weekly date nights) without a car? The relationship is the car. Using the phone as a GPS is social media, because it is often useful but increases the likelihood of crashing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:44 PM
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The difference is I am relatively confident I won't be attacked on the street because most people have no incentive to do so, and there are punishments in place if they do. Cheating happens because people have incentives to be deceptive, and in marriage especially there are minimal penalties and often rewards (like alimony). Imagine you are playing a game where someone of your choosing is given a gun and they can either murder you for $1M or spare you and you both get $100K. Would you assume goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:43 PM
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No, that would be akin to getting rid of the entire relationship. A better example might be not using a phone as a GPS because it is prone to causing accidents.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:37 PM
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It could mean that, true. Do you think it's unreasonable for someone to want to take steps to protect themselves from cheating? Or said another way, if a woman had been raped and wanted to take steps to protect herself, is that desire for safety a red flag?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:35 PM
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I am willing to do that myself, and I would have no problem deleting social media if my partner wanted it. Does that mean I am also desperate?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:32 PM
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I also wear a seatbelt and take out insurance on my car. I recognize I can't control people and do what I can to minimize risk. Does this mean I live in fear while driving?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:32 PM
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Removing social media is a stupid way of preventing cheating on social media? That seems very clear to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:30 PM
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It doesn't make the list in your opinion. Social media is one of the top reasons for divorce and one of the top avenues for cheating. There is nothing unreasonable about removing it. It is not essential for communication, and there are many other ways of staying in touch.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:29 PM
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Then they can find other ways of contacting them. It's not isolation if the goal is not to remove friends and families. I am within my rights to have whatever standard I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:27 PM
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Why? Do you think cheating via social media doesn't happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:25 PM
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Continually, no. But you do have to prove it, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:24 PM
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You said it would be a red flag. That's a harsh response to a pretty tame request.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:24 PM
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Of course it happened. But it is far easier with social media. This is not a hard concept, why are you having so much difficulty with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:23 PM
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There's a difference between talking about how I've set up my marriage and personal details like my age, race, where I work, where I live, my job, etc. It's creepy you are pressing this when I clearly communicated it wasn't something I was interested in sharing. Respect my desire for anonymity on the internet please.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:21 PM
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I didn't deny it because it's true. Marriage can be dangerous, and because it can be dangerous it is logical to mitigate risk. Do you think its logical to mitigate risk when faced with a potential life destroying outcome?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:19 PM
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I have no interest in giving you details on my personal life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:16 PM
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Just saying it's a form of isolation doesn't mean it is. Isolation requires the intent to isolate. My wife has virtually all the friends and family she interacts with in whatsapp/phone. I have no interest in giving you personal details about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:15 PM
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No, trust is an outcome of behaviors. If you do trustworthy behaviors, people will trust you. No one should be trusted by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:12 PM
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Do they get mad about that? I think most RP men advocate things like not having sex on the first date exactly because men are prone to taking advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:10 PM
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If only the spirit matters, why get married at all? Just stay in a long term relationship. A marriage is explicitly a government contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:08 PM
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OK, so it's not abuse. Nope I'm a millenial.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:07 PM
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My wife has access to all my social media, yes. Joint social media is fine, but there are certain accounts that are less meaningful jointly - like instagram. You seem defensive by responding so harshly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:06 PM
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Answer my question first.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:04 PM
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As I said in the title, trust is earned through behaviors. Having an open phone, deleting social media, etc are all behaviors that indicate trust because they are making it harder on themselves to cheat. No one is 100% trustworthy, but they can certainly prove themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:04 PM
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Deleting social media is not isolation. I don't have social media either for the same reasons, and my wife prefers I don't use it. Are we abusing each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:02 PM
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Do they? I don't think any redpill men would argue that a woman shouldn't protect herself from dangerous men, or assume that men don't have their bests interests at heart. In fact they actively argue most men will lie just to have sex with them, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 02:00 PM
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Removing social media is not isolation. Asking someone not to contact friends or family is isolation. Those are very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 01:59 PM
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There are many things that cause lack of attraction, not just one. The divorce rate is extremely high. If it was as easy as 'just developing social skills' no one would get divorced. An extreme outcome justifies more extreme vetting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 01:58 PM
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And a woman doesn't build trust by refusing. If you would show someone the door, then you are simply not in the demographic of women redpillers are interested in. There are many people who don't care enough to make a big deal about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 01:57 PM
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A huge percentage of cheating happens through social media. There are literally thousands of ways to keep up with friends and acquaintances, learn about fun events in your area, and buy and sell things without engaging in a platform also frequented by cheaters. No one is forcing you to delete Instagram, but being as defensive about it as you are is not a trust-building behavior, and redpill men bias towards trust-building behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 01:56 PM
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I think it reduces the likelihood of cheating if that person is not communicating with them, yes. Anyone can cheat, but by making it far easier to cheat it also increases its probability of occurring.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 01:54 PM
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Deleting social media is an assurance they are not secretly talking to other men through social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 01:54 PM
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This is absurd. Social media wasn't even around until the 2000s - people have always been social, and even moreso today. Asking someone to get rid of a single channel for communication is not unreasonable when there are hundreds of avenues for connecting to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 01:52 PM
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Not at all. I'm just better framing the preferences they already have for others. There is nothing wrong with preferences at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 01:49 PM
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It hasn't historically been hard for me obtain women who do trustworthy things like not talk to their ex's or keep their phones open.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:49 AM
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I think women should be safe in how they deal with men. Men should be safe in how they deal towards women. You are a hypocrite. But that's OK, it's par for the course here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:47 AM
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The only difference between an umarried couple, and a married couple is a contract signed with the government. I'm not trying to be rude, but do you understand what it means to be married?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:46 AM
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A relationship is built on love. Marriage is a contract you sign with the government. You don't think a contract is built on rules?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:43 AM
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I haven't edited a single post. If I edited it, it should say 'edited' in big dark letters. Screencap that and post it here or I'm not responding to you anymore because you are a liar engaging in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:42 AM
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Love is a feeling. A marriage has a contract. Any contract is bound by rules. Successful marriages adhere to the rules, or change them when the time calls for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:41 AM
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I'm not sure you're equipped for this conversation. I think it is best we end things here. Thanks for chatting
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:36 AM
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That's the point. We mitigate risk in order to prevent bad outcomes. I'm starting to think you aren't equipped to have this conversation, based on your unwillingness to engage in good faith with my comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:34 AM
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Most women have a rule to not date broke men. I don't know what you mean by older, but most women over 25 feel this way. 'Criteria' is another way of saying we are not judging partners based solely on their individuality. 50% divorce rate is bad, and yes it means people are doing something wrong. Being more careful and selective is probably a good thing. Whether redpillers are correct remains to be seen but it's not unreasonable. The scenario was a thought experiment, common in debates. Shouldn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:33 AM
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I think that's fine. Everyone is their own person, you are just not the type of person a redpiller would be interested in. I assume you would have no problem with that. Why is it an issue for you that others have preferences on trustworthy behaviors?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:27 AM
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Much more likely than having a life-ending car accident, yet we still drive the speed limit and wear seatbelts. It's more important to pick a good, compatible partner than sign a prenup, but both are necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:25 AM
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Your point was incorrect. Everyone wants to be efficient with their time while dating. People will make quick (economical) decisions if someone is unattractive, doesn't fit their boxes, seems unappealing in some way. I only get to know people personally who have passed the most obvious set of criteria I have. Everyone does this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:24 AM
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When the risk of failure is high, and the damage is potentially extreme, you should take significant precautions. "Not everyone fails" is not a persuasive argument against anything I have said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:22 AM
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A business transaction is not the same as being efficient. They are completely different words. You misused it. I never mentioned anything about the woman looking for 'what a man can do for her.' What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:20 AM
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That's an incorrect reading of the word, and is not remotely close to what I said or what I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:19 AM
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Divorces are extremely common. The US divorce rate is the third highest in the entire world. What have I said that is fear mongering?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:18 AM
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Statistically, I don't see how it's possible. The most common partner to cheat on is an ex. If your SO is not talking to their ex, how does it not reduce their likelihood of cheating? Again, your assumption is wrong. It only shows mistrust if the partner takes it that way. As I stated, my now wife said she didn't want me to talk to ex's and it built trust between us because we knew we didn't have to worry about old flames. The type of person who feels such an ask creates mistrust is not an optio…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:14 AM
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That wouldn't make sense in context at all. Economical is used here to mean efficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:11 AM
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Whether you find it ridiculous or not isn't relevant. Just means you aren't in the target demographic for redpill men, and that's totally fine. Asking someone to not talk to an ex or use social media is not the same as isolation. Whether you agree with the behaviors or not doesn't change that they are trust building, because you are actively engaging in an activity that reduces the likelihood of cheating using that medium.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:09 AM
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I doubt that. For example, most women have rules to not date broke men, or be on the lookout for certain behaviors they deem may be toxic. There's not much difference in what redpillers do, just applied to a different set of criteria. What normal people do is the point of debate. You could very easily argue that 'normal people' are in the wrong, given the divorce rate is near 50%. Clearly something in the selection process is going awry, so assuming their behavior is 'healthy' because its the de…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 05:07 AM
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I'm not sure if you know what the word economical means, or don't understand context. I'm using it here (obviously) in a way that means efficient. As an example, most women probably wouldn't take the time to get to know a man who is broke. That is because they are being economical with their time, and making decisions based on past experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:59 AM
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And the argument redpillers would make is they are not vetting in a way that actually prevents the root causes of divorce (lack of attraction, cheating, etc). I think you're arguing from your personal perspective. There are millions of women who have no desire to talk to their exes (my wife is the one who gave me that condition, actually) and don't care much about social media. The goal of the redpiller isn't to force women to bow to their whims, but find women who engage in these trust-building…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:57 AM
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"Just don't marry" is silly. Marriage is a good thing, just like starting a business. In the same way, people starting businesses should be prepared, so too should someone be prepared before entering a marriage by mitigating risk. It doesn't matter what prenup you sign, you are still at risk by having your life ruined by divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:53 AM
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I would say the vast majority of people do not in fact engage in active risk mitigation in their relationships. I disagree. Social media is one of the largest causes of divorces, and ex's are the most common partners for cheating. To say eliminating these will do 'nothing' to prevent divorce is very strange and makes no sense to me. The goal is not to set rules, it's to set a standard designed to mitigate the risk of cheating and divorce by only dating people with a certain set of values. I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:51 AM
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Do you know what the word economical means and how it is used here? I'm not sure what my statement has to do with effort/commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:46 AM
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I have no idea what this means.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:45 AM
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The difference is the relationships with your students don't have potentially life-altering outcomes for you if the students turn out to be untrustworthy. Imagine instead if you could choose one person to play a life or death game with. That person was given a gun, and could either blow your brain out and win a million dollars, or keep you alive and you both win $100K. You had to pick a stranger, selected through an interview of your choosing. I'm guessing in such a risky situation you would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:43 AM
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I don't think it's that economical to judge every single person you meet as an individual. Most people look at common patterns of behavior either from their past or relationships they've observed or common tropes. I'm guessing you also do this and are overstating how much individual judgement you place on the people you date. I read your post twice and I don't understand the points you are making. The crux of my post is that trust-neutral behaviors are by default not trustworthy. Bluepillers usu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:37 AM
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That's missing the point. CAN any marriage end in divorce. Yes. Are certain relationships far more or less likely to end in divorce? Also yes. Is mitigating risk a good strategy for preventing divorce? Also yes. Is it a good idea to vet your partner's behavior AND not put their name on the house? Also yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:26 AM
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The divorce rate is very high, it isn't just one person. Do you disagree that divorce is often a very bad outcome (life-ruining) for men that experience it? Do you think that mitigating risk is something people shouldn't do?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:13 AM
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Divorce is a little more than just being hurt. My cousin just went through a divorce - he lost his kid, lost his house (he bought), and through the mental stress lost his job. Could you understand why someone would want to minimize risk when their livelihoods and future children are on the line?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 04:02 AM
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Only weird if you haven't read the literature: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/new-mothers-not-married-technology-shock-the-demise-of-shotgun-marriage-and-the-increase-in-out-of-wedlock-births/ In 1970 there were about 400,000 out-of-wedlock births out of 3.7 million total births (see table 1). In 1990 there were 1.2 million out-of-wedlock births out of 4 million total. From the late 1960s to the late 1980s, the number of births per unmarried woman roughly doubled for whites, but fell by 5-10…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 10:12 PM
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It's common sense. The fewer children there are in a family, the more the condensed financial responsibility becomes, the less wealth there is, and so on and so forth. As I mentioned already, the historical point of marriage was the unification of the family and their finances, creating a network. The modern family is essentially a straight line that can barely support their parents medical bills when they get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 09:51 PM
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I'm OK with it being a cage if it helps remove children trapped in generational poverty. I don't care about love if it keeps people trapped in generational poverty. Love is an emotion, and does not need to be the center point of a marriage, nor has it been for thousands of years. This is more corporate brainwashing. None of your points are counters to my own. You are demonstrating the point I made, which is that this generation thinks nothing about their children, their family or the future. Eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 09:37 PM
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Incorrect. Abortion has directly contributed to the rise of single motherhood due to the reduction in a cultural need for shotgun weddings. Around 40% of births in the United States today are to umarried women, more than at any other time in history. Sexual freedom has eroded the moral fabric of the country, increasing porn addiction, the spread of STDs, and as redpill correctly points out an increasing trend of high n count partners towards divorce and family destruction. Reversal of traditiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 09:34 PM
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I agree. That's why I was confused with your initial comment in the thread. In my experience, most people absolutely see relationships as a means to an end. I don't think marriage has much meaning otherwise. To your point, there's not a real reason to sign a contract with the government unless there is some expected outcome, or in your case it's just 'for the party.'
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 10:17 PM
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It doesn't seem irrelevant, otherwise you wouldn't have moved in together or gotten married at all. I can acknowledge these expectations aren't very important to you, if you can acknowledge they are extremely important in most relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 10:04 PM
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Moving in with someone, marrying them, and starting a life with them all seem to strongly imply you think things will continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:48 PM
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You don't believe you will love your partner in the future?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:45 PM
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Agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:42 PM
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Not my problem. There is no definition of 'expectation' anywhere that carries the implication you believe it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:36 PM
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Nah. Good faith would be debating using the terms as I describe them, not inserting your own definitions then insulting me. Trash debate. Some people here aren't bad though. A few folks in this thread are pretty thoughtful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:25 PM
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My definition of troll is anyone who doesn't debate in good faith, so you're a troll. (See what I did there?)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:19 PM
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Ah, so a troll. Now it makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:08 PM
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Okey doke. This sub is such trash haha
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:04 PM
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It does, you admitted it, and you're using your personal definition of a word instead of the one I gave you. Anyway see you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 09:01 PM
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I didn't make the claim, you did. It's on you bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:58 PM
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I already told you how I am using the term. You chose to ignore that and continue using your own definition, just to disagree. What a waste of my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:57 PM
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A requirement is literally an expectation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:50 PM
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Expected outcome = requirement. You're literally just arguing semantics. I'm right.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:42 PM
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You do seek it, or else you wouldn't be in the relationship, and you wouldn't end the relationship if you stopped receiving it. What you mean to say, is you don't put effort into acquiring it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:33 PM
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Because you made a statement, and statements require proof. I'm glad you can acknowledge you're full of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:31 PM
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"consistently experiencing love" is the desired outcome. The reason I know this, is because you just said if you weren't feeling love you would leave. Love is your desired outcome, and if you don't feel it the relationship ends. What you put effort into maintaining has no relevance to this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:28 PM
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A goal is a desired outcome. I just said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:25 PM
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Because that's what you just said. You said you were with him because you love him, and if you no longer loved him you would leave the relationship. So are you saying that you don't always love your husband?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:21 PM
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Prove it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:16 PM
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There is very clearly a goal. Just from what we've talked about so far, the goal of your relationship is to "consistently experience love" and that love is contingent upon your partner not changing their behavior or personality. My next line of questioning was to understand what 'love' actually meant to you (I still don't know) which would help me even better frame the goal above. For example, if love is an emotional state, the goal is to "consistently experience a certain emotional state contin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:15 PM
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My initial point is that there is a goal in every relationship, but people don't spend the time thinking about it. You said, "no there isn't." Then when I press you to go deeper on your beliefs and feelings, you don't want to because "it's a waste of time" proving my initial point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:05 PM
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That's why I'm asking you to do it now, because you're being unclear and I have no idea what you're talking about or trying to say. For example, you just said love was like being hungry, but almost every person I know would say being hungry is negative. Hunger is also a physical state, it means you haven't eaten and don't have the energy to maintain your vital functions. Love isn't really like that, right? You won't die without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:02 PM
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So is love an emotional state for you? People define it differently, so be clear. Also, being hungry is a negative thing, is it not? Most people don't like being hungry.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:58 PM
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And loving him makes you feel good?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:56 PM
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And why are you in the relationship? What do you get out of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:54 PM
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OK, that's a good start. Let's keep going. What else would you cause you to not love your partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:51 PM
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If your partner abused you, then you would stay in that relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:48 PM
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Right, like I said you haven't put very much thought into it. Every choice has a goal, whether you think deeply about it or not. Maybe you're confused about what the word goal means, or how I'm using it. A goal is a desired outcome or expectation. Every relationship with some parameters by which it may end has a goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:41 PM
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Being traditional is not the same as abuse, and 20% of marriages being abusive says nothing about the type of relationship where abuse is experienced. You seem to be stringing correlations together with no data. How about this, religious people generally have more traditional relationship expectations than non-religious. If you are correct, then religious people should have much higher rates of abuse in their households, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:38 PM
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How many men who want traditional relationships do you feel are abusive? What percentage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:23 PM
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Getting married is a longterm choice, therefore there is a goal otherwise it wouldn't happen. Again, it just sounds like you haven't put very much thought into it. Nothing you are saying is contradicting me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 05:22 PM
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You are obviously choosing a very particular type of man because its what you are attracted to. Stop blaming men for your poor ability to select a compatible partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 04:05 AM
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Based on what are you making this statement? India has 5 separate words for love. Some Native American tribes has more than 20. Love is a complex feeling, and your definition is no more correct than anyone else's. What is love to you? Prove that your definition is the correct one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 12:51 AM
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You have a goal whether you admit it or not. If you don't think you have one, more than likely you fall into the group that has not yet critically examined themselves enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 12:46 AM
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I think there are strengths and weaknesses to happiness being the driving goal. For example, if your goal is to be happy, then you are much more likely to exit the relationship when you are not happy. In the grand scheme of things over many decades, by order of probabilities, there are going to be some years where you are going to be very happy, some years you will be content, and others you might be very unhappy. How long could you be very unhappy in a relationship? What's your breaking point? …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 12:45 AM
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When you say many when you really mean 'very few' you can understand how that comes off as a little weird, right? I agree that if a man is abusive then it's a good model for them, but I generally am not trying to do thought experiments with abusers in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 12:40 AM
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OK I guess that's true. I was mainly giving an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 12:38 AM
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I'm arguing there is always a goal, whether its explicitly stated or not. You're just not outwardly aware of it, and not being outwardly aware of it risks short or longterm incompatibility. I just want to be happy is a goal, and I think that goal is actually nuanced and complex when you start to peel apart things like: - What do you mean by happiness? - Is happiness fleeting or forever? - What does 'not being happy' happy look like? - If someone is not happy, how long can they be not happy' befo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 12:36 AM
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That's not the whole point though, right? My point is that I had that conversation up front with my now wife, whereas as most partners usually assume the other person wants the same as them. This is a big reason why women get upset at men when they move in together and those men don't contribute equally to the house work. There was an assumption of an equal split on one end and not the other, but there is no reason this equal split should be the default expectation. Many of these people have no …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 06:15 PM
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Is that really why though? It seems assumptive. I do think there is an element of jealousy/fear or play but most relationships have that to some degree and anyone who say otherwise is probably lying or anomoly. I think the main goal for men who want domestic partnerships is that they enjoy protecting and caring for their partner, in the same way many women like being protected and cared for. I think its best not assume nefarious intent with large groups of people or else you quickly get into tri…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 06:13 PM
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That's my point, you don't. But other people definitely do. For example, many people see relationships as a means for children and family. IF you make blind assumptions of what a relationship should be you are setting yourself up for failure, because these conversations are actually very nuanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 06:04 PM
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I didn't say it was true in all cases, did I? I gave a set of examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 06:03 PM
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Romantic love is juvenile and cliche? Do you think the love people have for their spouse is the same as the love they have for a good friend? Again, you can't project your childish personal opinions onto everyone. There is no single definition of love, you're just making shit up and speaking for how other people experience relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 06:01 PM
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Speak for yourself and your low standards. That is not even 10% of what I wanted in a partner, and certainly not for the mother of my children.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:06 PM
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Love is multi-dimensional, you don't get to decide the definition of love for everyone based on your childish personal opinion. For me, romantic love and physical attraction go hand in hand. If I am not physically attracted to you, I will not love you. It is inseparable. I can't have one without the other. And yes, I did tell her that explicitly at the start of our relationship. She knows if she became fat I wouldn't want to be with her anymore and I hope she feels the same way about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 02:03 PM
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That's absurd. The relationship I have with my friends is FAR different from the relationship I have with my wife, they fill completely different roles. I like her because she is feminine, emotionally sensitive, depends on me, romantically loyal, supportive, etc. I enjoy taking care of her and making her happy. I do those things because I am physically very attracted to her. Without that attraction, I wouldn't value most of the qualities that in my opinion make her wife material. I don't care if…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:32 PM
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People who say things like this usually don't have an argument. So carry on I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:03 AM
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Nope that's not true. Homophobia doesn't mean you can't support gay rights. Some of the most racist people I know are liberals who pride themselves on being open minded, but wouldn't date a black girl, and don't want to be around black people, and have weird bigoted opinions on black culture. Women and their opinions on bisexual men and their previous sex partners is no different.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:50 AM
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How long have you been on this sub? It's a shorthand for most.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:48 AM
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The comment I'm replying to is a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:16 AM
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I understand that, it's an irrelevant point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:16 AM
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I'm asking how one person's experience has anything to do with how bisexual men are generally accepted or not around the country/world by women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:15 AM
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What does that have to do with anything I just said?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:12 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:08 AM
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This is why pointing out facts to people like you is pointless. You won't accept anything. Every study you'll have issues with the methods and the data. What's the point of even coming to this sub if this is how you engage in legitimate studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:05 AM
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Women accepting bisexuality in a romantic partner isn't 'normal' anywhere. That's homophobic. You keep excluding the romantic part. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:02 AM
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I don't care about all women. This is the overwhelmingly dominant view of most women, and if you need validation on that go talk to any bisexual man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:00 AM
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No? You know literally zero research accounts for every woman in the US right?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:59 AM
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How did she expose me?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:58 AM
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OK so he completely proved my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:53 AM
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Where did I say that? I think the way we treat men is better. As a man, I understand not to go certain places or say certain things because I could be hurt, and that's a direct result of my shaming or the shaming of others. Please stop inventing strawmen.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:50 AM
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Why do you keep calling it trolling? It's a legitimate point, there is a real difference between how we treat women and men, and there are real consequences for the avoidance of shame. Just because an argument is not what you're used to doesn't make it edgy or a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:46 AM
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Depends on if he made a stupid mistake or not. If he did something fucking dumb, absolutely 100%. If he did something that wasn't a mistake then no. Same with women. Male rape victims aren't shamed because of their stupid behavior by and large, they are shamed because of the action. That's a very different thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:42 AM
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Of course not, because being a sex worker or frigid are not immutable traits. That's your occupation and your personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:41 AM
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The person responsible was the perpetrator. But both parties share responsibility. If I go to a club in Rio and wave money around then got shot and robbed, then I absolutely fucked up. I should not have done that. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:40 AM
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It's true. Women have a deep seated disgust of homosexuals and regard most homophobic men as entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:32 AM
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I didn't say anything about compulsion. Only that it's discriminatory not to be in a relationship with a man because he also has an attraction to men. Which it is. It's homophobic. What you choose to do with that is up to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:31 AM
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How is it trolling to say rape victims oftentimes do stupid shit that should be shamed? How am I rapist for trying to prevent rape? Are you even trying to use your brain or just typing without thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:29 AM
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Well if they ended up getting raped then yes I would say a mistake was made. Never said they were stupid, you made that up. That is absolutely untrue. Women go out to bars alone, go on tinder dates alone, get blackout drunk, meet up with men they don't know, get in relationships with men who are obviously shitty people ALL the time, hung around the wrong people ALL the time. I used to have an ex in college that would go over to guy's houses she didn't even know, get blackout drunk, and then her …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:27 AM
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What if I told you we can do both? I even said this in the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:24 AM
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The incompatibility you are describing is that women are disgusted by romantic partners who have gay sex. Discrimination is judging someone for their immutable characteristics, especially race or sexuality. It's like saying: Oh I don't want to date this black girl because I'm incompatible with people who have dark skin. If literally the only thing about this girl, and a girl I would marry is her skin color, then I would be a racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:23 AM
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Victims need to be blamed for their bad decisions AND supported for the resulting trauma. If I get punched in the mouth for saying the wrong thing to a biker, I should obviously be shamed in my stupidity, the biker should be prosecuted, and I should get free healthcare.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:17 AM
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How is this bait? I think shame is an effective tactic for preventing bad behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:16 AM
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Obviously, we wouldn't blame children. I'm talking about grown adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:16 AM
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Not bait. I'm dead serious. I believe shame is an extremely effective tool for preventing bad behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:14 AM
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that makes sense. Would you say that's a logical reason for a man not to want a woman who has slept around?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:04 AM
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Why would I dismiss it? Go do it then get back to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:03 AM
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So what? If I said most men were turned on by lesbians would you need a source for that too or is it obviously true and we can behave like adults?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:02 AM
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It absolutely is homophobic to be disgusted by someone's sexual past because they slept with men. That is by definition discriminatory. Choosing not to have sex with other men is not homophobic, it isn't what you are attracted to. Do you understand the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:00 AM
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I've never seen anything that showed gay porn is one of the top viewed categories for women, and after searching online nothing comes up for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:59 PM
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I consider anecdotes to be pretty good data. Most people have no clue what their friend circle actually thinks because they don't ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:56 PM
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Hey its more than you cornballs do. I'm going to take your answer to mean no, you won't do the bare minimum to validate your beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:55 PM
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lol how about this, you go out and do the same thing I did first and then we compare results. Ask your girlfriends how they feel about men who fuck other men, and then ask any of your male bi friends how they are treated by women. I'm not even going to judge your sample size
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:52 PM
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Why would that need a source? It's valid deductive reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:50 PM
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Where did I say I had rigorous methods? I said I did some field research which is more than you cornballs do to validate your beliefs
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:49 PM
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If I posted a link to the responses, would you accept them and change your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:47 PM
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Go talk to any bi man. Then go talk to any bi woman. Then we can compare results.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:47 PM
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No answer, so you say something pointless to deflect. Typical
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:46 PM
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Surveys. Like deliberately asking women - "hey what do you think of this." Which is more than the women on this site do, where they assume to know exactly how their friend group would behave in very scenario with no evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:45 PM
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No, I'm implying he's hot, rich, successful, and famous which overrides the bisexuality, which is the same for Kim K. Harry Styles could probably murder someone and women still go crazy for him. Using a top .001% man as your defense of anything is moronic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:45 PM
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I'm talking about a massive scale, which everyone in this thread acknowledges to be true. Your personal, individual experiences do not matter. If you want to talk about friend groups or large groups of people that's fine. Also, I've done field research on this subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:42 PM
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Nope, sorry that's not how it works. I'm black, I don't need to move to some backwater hick state to expect people there to not be racist. We should expect good behavior from women. You should not be homophobic. Period. If women are around gay men yet can't accept the same behaviors in romantic partners it makes it even worse because they do have exposure and are still bigoted anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:41 PM
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Go talk to your bf and ask him how his general experiences have been with women judging him for bisexuality. Then get back to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:38 PM
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Unanimously, women across the country avoid men with a sexual history with other men. I actually have male bi friends, and while some places are certainly more accepting than others, women by and large are still extremely homophobic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:37 PM
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Men don't need to be more expressive in order to make women less homophobic. Women should just be less homophobic. Stop trying to put the onus on men for women to be less shitty people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:34 PM
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It's socially unacceptable because women are disgusted by it. That's the homophobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:33 PM
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Yes, that's the point of the post. Congrats you can read.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:31 PM
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Yeah I don't think there should be a limit to understanding the type of person our partner is and that includes their past. If you have to conceal things about yourself to maintain a relationship you're doing it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:31 PM
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I couldn't imagine a more invalid, irrelevant response if I tried. Nice job. "Men drool over Kim Kardashian so that means they don't care about n count." What an absurd statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:29 PM
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No, I think lying or concealing our past is an unbelievably stupid idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:27 PM
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Women are disgusted by homosexuals, or they wouldn't be repulsed by potential romantic partners having gay sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:25 PM
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Read the first line of the post. I do not care about your personal preferences because there is nothing to debate. Women are hypocrites because they do absolutely engage in those behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:24 PM
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Women secretly are disgusted by homosexuality or else they would have no problem with it in potential partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:23 PM
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Why are you bringing up men in a conversation about women's hypocrisy? What do men have anything to do who what women choose to date or not date?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:21 PM
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I'm going to use this post in the future whenever women bring up n count as being hypocritical, so yeah for me it all works out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:20 PM
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No, women just like gay men as friends. They are extremely homophobic when it comes to their partner selection. This is common knowledge. It's not just that it isn't sexy, it's that women are disgusted by it. It's straight-up homophobic and hypocritical, period. Most women would not date a man that has had gay sex or entertains other men sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:19 PM
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Read the first line of the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:17 PM
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They are absolutely being hypocritical: They do a behavior and expect not to be judged for it They judge men for the same behavior That's hypocrisy, no question. Men have nothing to do with a woman's personal sense of morality and judgment. What a man wants is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:16 PM
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Because I'm pointing out that women don't actually about hypocrisy when it's an area they are hypocritical about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:14 PM
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Sure, it could. Why isn't it? We are more liberal than ever yet women are the one's who hold onto their homophobia the most. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:13 PM
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Absolutely they do. Grinding and dancing with girl friends is an example. Women are extremely non-accepting of gay behaviors in their potential partners. Did you not read the post?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:06 PM
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Why do men have to change? Women should change to be more socially accepting. There's nothing wrong with being romantically interested in the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 11:03 PM
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As I just said, the topic has nothing to do with what men can do. It is questioning why women are hypocritical about it. Do you have some dysfunction that is causing you not to grasp this?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:58 PM
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What an irrelevant, pointless answer. We're discussing women's hypocrisy, not what men are allowed to do or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:51 PM
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Women. They bring it up literally every conversation about n count standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 10:49 PM
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Clearly true. You were beaten up and raped right? Do you really think every woman has that experience? You chose terribly, and you continue to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 06:31 PM
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No no. The men YOU choose don't value YOU.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 02:11 PM
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Is it jealously, or just calling this woman out for her stupid answers? > And I personally love fucking the fit young men who know how to appreciate women like me > I don't care whether a man appreciates me or not TBH The woman says she is appreciated by these men, and then immediately back pedals and agrees she's a cum dump. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/22 02:07 PM
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Every one of your replies was a strawman. No one wants to date someone who is friends with their ex's. It's a redflag. For women AND men. Literally no one wants this. Everyone knows what happens on girls trips. Stop gaslighting. Single women peer pressure their friends into doing things they shouldn't. The club is a place that only exists because men pay high prices for drinks to get women drunk and fuck them. If you go there without your partner, it's 100% a red flag and disrespectful. Going to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 07:30 AM
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no it is, like that's exactly how you get treatment for things i was just goofing you haha i think pretty much everyone has shame, except whores (redpillers) who say cringe shit like enjoy the decline jesus it makes me cringe to my bones just imagining someone typing those letters in that particular order. like take off the joker costume bro we get it you're an edgelord
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 06:16 AM
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TRUE. I love how trpers emulate dudes like tate but he still freely acknowledges he still fights with women who refuse to stop going to the club. like jesus christ bro you haven't solved that one yet? that's like level 1 of the most basic requirement for a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 06:08 AM
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your right i did not, and i probably wont because i dont know what your source has to do with how i am using those words lol just move on bud there's nothing for you here
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 06:01 AM
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chad thundercock - white fuck boy Tyrone - black fuck boy what am i missing here clara
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:59 AM
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because black people and white people have different names clara. like i'm just going to guess your white by your name which is crazy i know but thats how it goes
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:57 AM
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hey i am a man buddy, i just hold fuck boys (whores) and fuck girls (whores0 equally accountable. but when im talking to men, obviously am goign to recommend men are the ones who should take some action. dum dum dum i just had a whole front page thread on how bad female whores are and all the redpillers loved it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:56 AM
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so you base your around physical pleasures? holy shit we're regressing back to caveman dear god it all makes sense. i'm sorry copernicus being better than masturbation doesnt make it any less lame. its like stuffing yogurt down your throat every morning and being like 'well its way better than oatmeal!!!' you know what else is better than oatmeal, not being so fucking cringe bro casual sex is just generally bad across the board. it has no good benefits. i dont know what your trying to say with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:54 AM
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Lube up and hit the hub bro
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:48 AM
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uhhh, i mean kinda it is right? you go to the doctor and they give you a prescription based on your symptoms? lol i think the root cause is a lack of morality and common decency which leads to degeneracy. that starts from a lack of the church, but there are other forms of morality that are meaningful. hence why i support shaming bring back shaming!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:48 AM
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feminist didnt crush anything. men crushed it by being man whores haha. hold your own gender accountable man, blame fuck boys like i do. trp isn't adapting. they are literally just being feminine sluts because they are sexually traumatized. the irony is obviously hilarious i dont know what game you are talking about? the game of being a sex addicted degenerate as quickly as possible? what do you win for that game? herpes ? lmao i'm good man. my life goal has always been children and elevating th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:43 AM
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how do you not understand that is what i am recommending trp should advocate instead of being whores hahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:38 AM
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sexual strategy for what end? there has to be some reason that inevitably eads back to societal improvement thats the lamest form of winning ive heard of. even lamer than internet points and thats really fucking lame it does benefit me, because i judge myself based on my character. i would feel much better knowing i did something good and didn't benefit than doing something bad and benfitting like is that a foreign concept to you? are redpillers sociopathic? haha fuck man well yeah because the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:36 AM
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yeah sorry i just dont care about pride parades man, but hey you enjoy you whatevr you want no no i get it, redpillers are feminine whores lmao you dont have to keep explaining are you saying youve been incel for 5 months? i dont really get your point. sorry for that i guess maybe get offline and talk to some girls man
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:28 AM
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whoa what now? i mean by my recollection casual sex leads to pretty toxic terrible outcomes across the board, whereas men are actually much happier in committed relationships what is the goal of maximizing hedonism? like what does it get you longterm besides sex addiction or herpes or an unwanted pregnancy? also, dont most women want families? am i missing something here haha
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:25 AM
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i mean i assume trp believes helping weak men does help society to some degree no? i'm just goning further wth the logical implications of their own theories except having more casual sex isn't 'winning' any more than stuffing your face with candy is winning. enjoy your diabetes huh? why would i cheat because other men are doing it? my morals are my morals, they are a reflection of my character not anyone else thats like saying people started stealing food instead of paying so you should steal t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:18 AM
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because men who have no obligation to society are like...losers? i dunno if you dont care about anyone but yourself and getting your rocks off, your basically just a different breed of whore which is cool you know, whore it up queen. sexually liberate yourself. i'm just saying it def isn't alpha haha
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:12 AM
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why does it require their cooperation (or subjugation what the fuck) men can just stop fucking whores. then you'll stop getting whores. like this isn't a great mystery or something
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:10 AM
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whats their to be creative about? you find someone you like who doesnt seem sketch, see if their a good fit, and then go for it you guys act like women with sexual trauma given how terrified you of anything with tits haha its wild man
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:08 AM
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huh? thats just wrong wtf relationships are still the most reliable way to get pussy. like it isnt even close men just have fucked expectations because they are addicted to porn 90% of the time and aren't interested in women on their level or have these bizarre social conditions that keeps them locked up inside all day
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:06 AM
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yeah no duh its feminism for men of course it will grow my point is trp can actually use that momentum to help create a better world instead of a more depraved degenerate, and i think it is their moral obligation to do that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:02 AM
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i really dont get your point. are you saying you watch pride parades for the 'education' or something lol sounds weird bro ok hey i learned something i guess. being monogamous and not having casual sex and having honor makes me a fossil. damn cold world haha haha you're describing and defending degeneracy. hey man if you and your whore friends want to whore it up, you do you queen. sexually liberate yourself lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 05:00 AM
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yeah, whores
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:54 AM
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yeah bro we've all read the same doomer stories. do you disagree with anything i said or you being argumentative just for the sake of it? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:53 AM
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we aren't overpopulated lol get that bullshit out of here 50% is an average, it doesn't mean you have 50% chance. learn how to statistics bro. its like saying only 1% of the country are millionaire's so that means you only have a 1% chance of being one!!! Ummm...no. If you work at a gas station and do nothing but light up all day you've got a 0% chance. If you are a software engineer at MIT who got hired out of school to Google you have damn near a 100% chance. Averages are not likelihoods. thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:50 AM
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is having a good family, happy relationship, and good life not an incentive? what is the incentive to practice moral degeneracy and whoredom? what good outcome does it provide?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:46 AM
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slaves arent good for society, that was the whole point of ending slavery being selfish isnt practicing. justice is about upholding morals irrespective how the world treats you. Believing in fairness is good, but becoming a whore 'because women do it too' it just called being a pussy bitch i'll continue shaming them all the same though, because they deserve it and i think they are making the world a worse place through their degeneracy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:45 AM
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i said you were mirroring it, not that you were just as good. its like when a kid tries be to tough like his dad but his head is too big for his body so he just looks goofy why do you think i care what people at pride parades do? i am a moral person. i'm not going to become a feminine whore because that's what women are doing. whores arent my role models man lol a living fossil? dude im 32 hahaha i mean maybe thats old. i just have principles. i stuck to them, and i'm living a good life. im not …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:42 AM
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those are selfish morals haha why do you keep bringing these horrible world views and expecting me not to judge them? their just objectively bad
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:38 AM
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no guarantees obviously, but looking at her friends, her proclivity to lie about other things, her desire to go to whoreish places like clubs, her attire, skills in the sack, things she likes to do in her off time, sexual expectations, etc. i remember when me and my now wife went to a club for the first time together she was so intimidated and didn't dance, just sat next to me and ate a hamburger. The music hurt her ears so much she had to leave after twenty minutes. it was cute haha. obviously …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:36 AM
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maybe you need to look in the mirror dude, you guys are literally mirroring the behavior of sluts and whores. its so feminine and weird also i dont think blue pill means anything not redpill. i am completely againt deviancy, casual sex, and whores in any form. are you saying true traditonal men are blueplled now? what in the cold cocksuck r u saying
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:30 AM
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its not making the best of a bad situation. its making a bad situation actively worse. if you need to be appreciated to have morals than you aren't a moral person. its that simple
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:28 AM
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but we're not talking about resources, you understand that right. we're talking about distribution the small town isn't overpopulated, they just didnt get the resources they need because they were dependent on one farm, the same we are dependent on brittle supply chains please tell me you understand that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:27 AM
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how dare you say that things aren't as bad as fighting a war covered in cow shit in the freezing cold knowing if you lose a viking will probably hate fuck your dad's corpse on top of the dining table where you enjoyed your favorite bowl of salmonella. i'm offended on his behalf!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:23 AM
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men who view bad outcomes as inevitable are like...losers right? like is there any other scenario where its okay for a man to surrender to destruction and he isn't a bitch. you're getting cucked out of life. by death. probably need to put some constraints on social media and anything that targets programmable dopamine hits, for one. i dont really think the political rifts are all that bad. ppl disagree, thats cool. i just think the extremism and trump type folks aren't great. like have your opin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:19 AM
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i mean, i think so
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:15 AM
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im not sure you udnerstand what overpopulation means. if i live in a town that gets its food from a small farm, and then a drought kills the farm and people starve that doesn't mean the town is over populated why the fuck am i arguing about this
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:15 AM
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wait i thought trpers wanted to live in a world with traditonal women who cooked and cleaned and only looked at them? they literally admit the world is in 'decline' doesn't that imply its bad? don't try to gaslight me here you silly little goose lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:11 AM
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its actually amazing how much respect i am losing for trpers in this thread. its actually mind boggling. there are legit some people saying 'fuck society i just want to get some pussy bro' and 'enjoy the decline bro whooo fuck the world' like holy shit the cringe is almost unreal
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:08 AM
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but women dont want simps, they want big strong alpha chads right? simps are just their to be orbiters if blue haired fatties could convince basically all of society that women are marginalized and oppressed, i dont see why redpillers couldn't convince dudes to stop fucking as many girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:07 AM
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oh yeah true
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:06 AM
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i mean yes i am judging them in this case but in the previous case i was working off their own morality. its cool for me to think people who give up on solving problems are losers. i mean thats fair right? yes its according to me. i think its dishonorable to be a man whore. whooaoa crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:05 AM
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what does that matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:04 AM
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i mean i hear what messages come out of there man. ppl clearly picked their favorite passages out of the bible and ran with it because that plate spinning doomer dread game dark triad don't marry whores is like 99% of what i hear lol having a duty to society is part of what it means to be honorable. being a whore is bad. all whores should be shamed, since they are destroying the moral fabric of our country. this validates my view redpill is just a whore factory, not actually producing alphas
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 04:03 AM
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i dont see any indication of redpillers working towards a traditional or honorable lifestyle at all. look at all the responses in this thread saying 'enjoy the decline huehuehue edgy joker smile 'women fucked up society now i'll fuck up society' joker laugh and dance 99% of trps i see are either goofy doomers like these bozos or plate spinning man whores. maybe there's some contingent of honorable redpillers but i clearly missed them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:53 AM
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so you think that cheaper childcare services would solve inflation?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:50 AM
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haha no it isnt. the message is spin plates and avoid marriage what are you even talking about being moral is about your duty as a man to your community and society. this problem was caused by men fucking whores being immoral, and it can be stopped by men choosing to change their behavior the more you give in to hedonism and depravity the worse you make things. and knowingly causing society to get worse makes you an immoral person, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:48 AM
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how are women holding all the cards? you do know if men didnt fuck these women they wouldnt act like whores right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:45 AM
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ok then do it if you can. don't talk about it be about it. what does women entering into the work force have to do with capitalism. do women not work in socialist countries?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:41 AM
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men who think like this are just women in men's clothing, acting like a jilted girlfriend who needs to sleep with her bfs ex because she's jealous 'women are whores now? well i guess i'll be a whore too' its weird this behavior is considered alpha. it feels peak feminine doesn't it? like i've always identified masculinity as doing the hard things that are right and moral even if no one else is. when i was a kid my favorite hero was king arthur and the knights of the round table. sir gawain (who …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:40 AM
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i mean i was talking about those two guys in my original comment tho. like, why are those guys are supposedly pulling girls not wifing the good ones with low n count? that was my question isnt the advice to the 5'2? guy that he should get money and marry a thai girl or something? I dunno seems like everyone has options i swear i thought that was the whole point
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:24 AM
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none of that is redpill wtf haha reading books is redpill? haha what the fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:21 AM
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How about you google the fortune 500 and tell me when those companies were founded. try again chief, just throwing out 11 old companies doesn't mean i'm wrong lol again, what does have to do with capitalism? are you saying that if these men lived in cuba they'd be just fine? i dont get it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:20 AM
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sure i guess, i didn't think thats what you meant by self improvement. i was imagining more like you know...get a hobby or go to the gym, not how to adopt the headspace of darkwing duck
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:17 AM
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i dunno man there seems to be a very clear 'recommendation' which is to avoid ltrs, avoid marriage, and spin plates.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:15 AM
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the fresh and fit guys are saying it every five seconds so I assume at minimum those guys do. isnt the whole poitn of redpill to change that about themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:14 AM
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yeah so thats not an overpopulation problem, thats a supply chain problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:11 AM
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wow you named 1 company, you really got me there chief. its not like the biggest companies in the world are tech giants or anything... what does capitalism have to do with millions of men falling through the cracks in society? can these men not get jobs or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:10 AM
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nah my point is there are other channels for self improvement whether rp has that or not. the only unique value rp has is its view on women and sex. is there some unique self help thing you can think of?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 03:04 AM
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being a doomer is BETA
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:55 AM
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a toolbox for what? because most of the tools i see are about being sexual deviants and whores im not sure what trp offers on the self improvement side. maybe a good starting point but if ppl really wanted to self improve theyd just seek out content around that thing right? bodybuilders for lifting, business ppl for business, etc i struggle to see the value outside the game and sex related stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:53 AM
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nobody say anything about virgins but you keep doing you baby girl
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:51 AM
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who said anything about conservative religious virgins? even on the stats redpillers use divorce issues start getting bad after 5+ partners. what about everyone who doesn't fall in that range? if men stopped dating and fucking whores, women would stop being whores right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:51 AM
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we are not close to over population at all you dont need a family right away, but it doesnt change that casual sex is bad for society
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:49 AM
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honestly your reply is really long and i didn't feel like reading it. i operate in sentences and three paragraphs max i didnt sign up to read war and peace in a reddit sub
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:48 AM
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im not judging them by my morals, im judging them by their own morals they are too hypocritical to follow
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:47 AM
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yeah, it means being a whore and acting exactly like the women trps feel are ruining society. these alphas are too bitch made to have morals and fight for the world that they actually want to live in pussy booiiiiiizzzz
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:45 AM
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the point of capitalism is that winners dont stay winners and losers dont stay losers. the companies who are successful today are not the same ones successful 100 years ago. also i dont see what that has to do with dating you dont need to support anything you dont want to. but if you believe something is immoral, its your duty to defend that belief and fight for a better society. thats how i live my life because i'm not a hypocrite
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:43 AM
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if you can show me any data where people who have more casual sex have better life outcomes, stronger families, better mental health etc i'll agree with you and move on
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:40 AM
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redpil isn't the answer, redpill is the mirror. your just doing the same depraved disgusting shit back the answer actual would be to have morals and standards. encourage men NOT to sleep with women, have some self respect. eliminate casual sex. be a good person and a good father. thats the actual answer, not becoming whores to spite the feminists redpill is like that girl who fucks her cheating boyfriends friend to get back at him instead of being an adult and bettering herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:38 AM
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what does buying and selling products on a market have to do with the breakdown of the family. feminists believe that eliminating gender roles will elevate women in society. and turns out they were right. women are winning right now. men are losing. and trp basically just seemed to have decided 'damn guess we lost to the fatties. time to fuck up society even more i guess' what a joke. you know at one point i kinda vibed with some trp stuff. but this thread is showing me how big of loser pussies …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:35 AM
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generally people in tough hopeless situations band together to overcome. redpillers just seem to commit to the depravity if thats really how they are i respect them even less than feminists. at least the blue haired fatties are trying to do what they think is right
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:32 AM
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its not a war overseas its literally on your doorstep. your saying society is going to collapse like its no big deal, what the fuck? hahaha well i think generally humans are pretty good at solving problems when we pull together and apply some innovation so im in favor of doing that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:30 AM
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the point of marriage is to pass your inheritance to your children. baby making existed long before the existence of marriage my man no its a great analogy. sex is like sugar. casual sex is like processed sugar. i am actually a genius with how well it works its not about psychologically deciding. its about the stats lol its about more than just genetics, more like addiction and other bad shit that happens when you continually trigger dopamine responses outside a controlled healthy environment
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:28 AM
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if its not worth it, why not try to change it? if al their doing is contributing, no accelerating the decline of humanity instead of doing their best to save it they are a disgrace to the human race. at least the femnists are doing what they think is right. trps are cowards pretending to be alpha god damn lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:25 AM
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all im hearing is excuses to stay a pussy and roll over haha
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:24 AM
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why is it beyond saving? seems like if you really believe the end consequences it would be literally the most important thing to save if a foreign country invaded our home would you surrender and agree to be executed because you were outnumbered? i just dont get how 'alpha males' think like this. its so foreign to me
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:23 AM
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so your saying that these alpha men, with all their leadership qualities and charisma and charm and whatnot cant win a culture war against fat blue haired feminists when feminism isn't even cool anymore? i dunno just feels kind of odd to admit you cant change society when a bunch of obese chicks wearing pussy hats was able to do it pretty easily
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:20 AM
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what, no you don't thats so goofy haha
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:15 AM
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immorality cringe
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:14 AM
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i have no idea how to interpret your first point. non casual sex has great qualities. its designed for baby making and deepening your relationship with your partner. you know...the entire point of dating in the first place lol no casual sex is bad for everyone. same way processed sugar is bad for everyone. you just accepted the whore life, like fatties accept obesity (not shaming) just sayin
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:13 AM
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ew. gross and immoral
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:11 AM
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that doesn't make sense. don't those guys like young girls with low body counts? shouldn't they be marrying the girls they get with before they are 'ruined'? what's stopping them from doing that? it seem to me like they have ther pick of whoever they want, and then they are choosing to create the very problem they go into villify, then blame women for it. make it make sense chief
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:10 AM
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that's what it means to have moral integrity in this first place. if you aren't willing to do the right thing when no one else is you're not a moral person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:07 AM
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true. you can't be a great man if you see a problem in the world and choose to contribute to it rather than solve it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:00 AM
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bad according to every piece of data we have on casual sex. less happy families, more likely to cheat, more likely to get stds, more unhappy unfulfilled sex lives. its bad dude. casual sex has no good qualities besides getting dopamine hits like anything else addictive ending slavery is not the analogous. slavery was obectively bad for all slaves and obectively good for slave owners. casual sex is just bad period, like processed sugar
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:59 AM
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so its basically just a bunch of doomers?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:54 AM
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nah casual sex just ruins your life. its addictive, fucks with your brain, makes it so you cant connect with people romantically. nothing good about it at all. jut pure dopamine like gambling or processed sugar
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:20 AM
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it doesnt immediately disqualify you, but its also just objectively bad for you and your partner. nobody benefits from whoring around. its like eating fast food. is it fun and does it taste good? yes. is it bad for your body? yes same diff. you dont need casual sex to know what you want. anyone who cant do that with someone they love and have good communication with is damaged and needs therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:18 AM
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sexual history means a lot, women who fuck a lot are whores, men who fuck a lot are whores, whores are ruining society. game set and match
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:16 AM
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not what the data says. probably indicates more about who is on reddit and ppd. everyone here is a neuro divergent rape victim lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:13 AM
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cool story bro thanks for playing
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:12 AM
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even the woman your responding to agreed with me and said yes actually she did base her sexual pleasure off previous relationships so no thats not how it goes usually you do not need to gargle random men's semen like mouthwash to have a good sex life. the need for casual sex is a lie. it does nothing but create sexual expectations for the person you love and wreck relationships. everyone, men and women, should be discovering new things with the person they love in a committed relationship. sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:11 AM
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yep. no one tries to pretend that mens sexual proclivities (lik porn) dont wreck marriages but whores with scandalous pasts have no impact at all lol its so goofy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:07 AM
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agreed, they arent even good whores.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:06 AM
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way more likely to be have sexual baggage and trauma with high n count yes its gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:05 AM
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i don't think you know what phrase means what i'm doing is called clarifying. nothing was goal shifting or contradictory
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:04 AM
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its for any kind of woman
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:03 AM
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no i have a very good idea. i've heard some wild stuff from couples everyone wold think is healthy. you think the couples you know don't have skeletons in their closet?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:03 AM
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I mean its like saying once cigarettes give you lung cancer may as well keep smoking a pack a day
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:48 PM
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its massive. social legitimacy is basically another way of saying 'rules within social groups.' i'm an entrepreneur within a very brainy/academic type. if my wife looks like a whore there's a 95% chance i'm not getting invited to other founders' kids birthday parties and that type of exclusion has real impact on my career and relationships given how many deals are done in exactly those settings its even bigger for women imo because they are way more defensive on the boundaries of those social gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:36 PM
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the point is to leave before you feel a real connection. why get connected to someone broke when you could...not? i mean this is what women do every day right? especially with #shortkings. they barely get to open their mouths let alone get enough time to prove themselves there are signs. how she talk about ex's, where she hangs out, what she knows how to do in bed, what sexual acts shes familiar with, what kind of lingerie does she own, and so on and so forth. there's no one thing, but a collect…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:25 PM
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what yes they did split it out by gender. you obviously didn't read the study if you think 5% is small then you don't know how to interpret science i think
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:21 PM
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why is it when i say older guys all you crufty old ladies assume i'm talking about 50 year olds or something ahha. is it because you yourselves are old?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:13 PM
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mainly that they get sex when they are older more developed. dudes have a hard time sleeping around. women get fucked the most while they are still developing, really messes with their brains its why you hear women screaming and crying over toxic dudes so often. they are slaves to their emotions and attraction, date horrible guys who sling pipe and cheat on them them leave them traumatized men can't just fuck models and gold diggers whenever we want haha. but if we could we'd be just as messed u…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:11 PM
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i mean that is what the data indicates, actually. did you read it? like 50% of the population voted donald trump into office. the masses are fucking morons
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:09 PM
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no an old lady with 5 relationships is probably ok. i mean its contextual obviously. nobody is inherently worthy or love or respect. you gotta earn those by doing things that are highly respectful and good. which being a whore is not, for anyone (not even yourself)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:08 PM
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didn't say you had to become virgins, just stop being whores or at least don't pass your whore behavior to your kids. or better yet just dont reproduce at all thats my advice
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:06 PM
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sure i don't deny that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:05 PM
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go digging in your friends closets and you'll find some skeletons. i just have open access
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:04 PM
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pretty, nice to be around, stable, not whores
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:04 PM
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about what
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:03 PM
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dope that what happened to me too. high five bud
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:02 PM
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generally anything above 5 is when there seems to be clear real world outcomes to whoring around so i tend to go with that if you're dating a girl whose a whore then theres no reason to learn more about her. too risky. just move on and try to find a non whore. i think its pretty smart. like, i would recommend the same thing for broke dudes. does being broke mean he's a bad guy? not at all. is it worth it to take the risk and find out? nope, theres 100 million people to talk to, just move along
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:00 PM
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no, its literally impossible. i cant know how i like getting my dick sucked until i get my dick sucked. you cant manifest physical pleasures from nothing unless your an alien with some sixth sense. you fucked some dude, he ate your pussy like a madman and you loved it. then you projected it onto other men. how am i proving your point your just denying reality haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:57 PM
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i mean i dont know how you got to that conclusion but you do you honey
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:56 PM
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i mean i could pull the stats if you want. it doesnt happen much
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:55 PM
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blah blah blah more shit i'm not going to read because you lead with some doofy personal statement
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:54 PM
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yeah kinks emerge from trauma or getting fucked by other dudes. they dont just manifest from thin air you want a man to eat your vagina like its his last meal because some other dude did it to you. men who are into bondage watched a lot of porn and have repressed trauma and probably mental issues they need to deal with women say shit like 'im not thinking of past d' but you 100% are. you might not be attaching a name or face to it, but you are trying to recreate a sensation caused by an ex, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:52 PM
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i dont think the cause of the dissatisfaction is their body count, but its a pretty clear leading indicator of all the sexual trauma and baggage that comes along with a high partner count. also its gross you can have spice in your sex life, by discovering new things with your partner. you dont need to get your back blown out at chads awesome pool party to have fun sex
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:48 PM
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thats cool, but not really happening that much. most dudes arent going for blown out cougars unless their hot, and the majority of cougars are fatties haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:47 PM
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exactly, which is why sexual experimentation is pointless and only leads to bad outcomes. don't do it kids
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:45 PM
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nah i dont think so. I think there are incompatible people, but 99% of the time good sex comes down to communication and willingness to please the other person. What people call incompatibility is usually just when women have raised standards from fucking dudes and now their new partners don't measure up to past lovers. its nothing inherent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:42 PM
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yeah that obviously isnt what sexual ignorance mean. you cant just make up your own definition when i clearly defined what i meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:41 PM
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how is it racist lol wtf is wrong with you??? hahaha chad is white tyrone is black what exactly is the issue
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:39 PM
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ok
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:38 PM
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dude I have 100s of messages, I can't look through every one to figure out what you're talking about and im not going to take your word for it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:35 PM
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much bigger for men, who usually date down 4-5 years anyway. Women only go up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:34 PM
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yeah it affect everyone, but men are not as affected by it as women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:33 PM
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you can tell who on here actually has experience with women and who doesn't haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:46 PM
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https://www.kpcc.org/show/airtalk/2018-10-30/according-to-this-study-fewer-previous-sex-partners-make-for-a-happier-marriage Tada
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:45 PM
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its two different issues that manifest in very different ways, thats why. men are usually not pining for old flames in relationships like women are. their brains are rotted by hot women in porn and then cant get their dicks up because they are unconsciously comparing them to their partners i dont feel like explaining the subtleties of the differences in the same post but thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:44 PM
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that having fewer sex partners makes your life outcomes better?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:42 PM
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i mean my analogies are pretty good i think haha sex is a big part of cheating. women with unfulfilling sex lives usually cheat emotionally and then physically. i dunno why you keep writing it off as unimportant when its not oh yeah, i do. i tell them they are being cheating whores, which i why they call me. i give them the painful truth none of their friends are willing to say because they are too nice they aren't gonna listen to me though, someone who wants dick is already too late. btw i can …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:42 PM
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no i don't, just women with high body counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:36 PM
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Yeah Tyrone being black chad is pretty accurate, that's what I was going for i dunno about all the classist stuff so chill out with all that weird stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:36 PM
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no, i mean that relationship. the success rate of couples who wait is like 80%, and even then sexual difference is probably an extreme minority. there was probably some wacky stuff going on in that relationship which you know cant win em all
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:33 PM
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yo chill out haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:32 PM
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yikes so hateful haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:31 PM
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no, they don't. this is like an extremely common problem of older women, they can't find any good men. are you really unaware of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:31 PM
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show me those comments. no one i've talked to said that they needed it. in fact in all cases it was the opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:29 PM
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why do you choose not to acknowledge i am talking about women, and if i was talking about men i would have made another post
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:29 PM
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nah they met my definition of whore so i'll keep calling them that. bye bye
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:28 PM
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no mine does matter, your doesn't. did not you not understand my analogy? i am saying i've seen harm being done, you are saying you haven't seen it. your comment is irrelevant to try again, its like if i said 'i've seen a bunch of men abuse their wives. that so bad and it should stop' and then you go 'well i haven't seen that and both our experiences matter' like wtf no they don't your lack of awareness contributes nothing haha it is common, and if you think its not its wrong. but either way it …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:27 PM
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my wife is visiting her family now so I'm very sad and distracting myself on reddit. i dont hate anyone man haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:24 PM
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i know you dont want women to take accountability for being whores. its ok, i'll fix you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:24 PM
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that whores need to take accountability of their own actions for one
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:23 PM
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hahaha ok man whatever you say
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:23 PM
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education is what i'm doing right now. i'm committed to this, so i'll get through to you eventually
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:22 PM
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huh? i never said older men are worse partners. i said as women get older they have less men to choose from. have you really not heard of this? do you think a 35 year old single woman has more good options than the same woman at 23?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:21 PM
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casual sex is to sex as fast food, or processed sugar is to food they are both unhealthy its not the cause of everything, but its a problem, it has a big impact, and its unequivocally bad across the board, just like fast food or processed sugar some things need to be taboo. like cigarettes. we dont want ppl with lung cancer, and we shouldnt want familes breaking up because women cant get over Chad Thundercock
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:20 PM
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hahha hold myself accountable for what? im not the one being a whore. and im not hating on women im hating on whores and casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:18 PM
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your experience doesnt matter, because the problem happens enough that its worthy to call out its like saying 'hey i know people who are drunk drivers, so we should call it out as a bad' and you say 'nuh uh my friends are safe drivers so you're wrong' there are so many people on this thread admitting they hold their partners to the sexual standard of past ex's. obviously what im saying is true you dont need sexual experimentation via casual sex to get it out of your system. just try with your pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:16 PM
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so you think i'm not mixed race? why? the person was literally accusing me of being a racist haha its a pretty relevant point i think
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:13 PM
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pointing out something is bad is 'not wanting people to live their lives?' if i say that smoking is bad for your health that's not wanting people to live their lives?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:13 PM
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did i say i was black somewhere? hahaha you guys are weird as fuck man
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:12 PM
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never said it was only because of sex, but yes having more casual sex is obviously the root cause of sex related issues. its like saying eating more food isnt the root cause of heart disease or getting fat. like..literally yes its not miniscule at all. over indulgence is one of mankind's greatest evils. it can be food, gambling, or sex- bad outcomes always follow
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:11 PM
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ok now we're just splitting hairs. stop being mad at men that women are choosing to be whores i dont get mad or blame women when men become porn addicts or whatever. 'oh women made them do it by being so sexy and voluptous' laaaame take accountability for yor behavior. stop blaming others for your own actions
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:09 PM
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no i agree with that. but i can also say that he is dating higher quality women as he gets more financially stable for example, an 18 year old 4 isn't better than a 27 year old 8.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:07 PM
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nobody can make you a whore miss. you gotta choose that on your own
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:05 PM
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im telling women to stop being those women hahah
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:05 PM
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its still bad, they're just honest. i cant argue with someone who knows they are beign toxic and do it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:04 PM
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quote me. all i said is low n count partners are usually more stable
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:03 PM
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no its not ok. that thinking is killing families, leading to divorce, and ruining dating i mentioned this in another post, but almost all my married female friends are engaged in some sort of cheating emotional or physical with men they fucked or fantasized about women are getting fucked like crazy on tinder and dating apps and then settling down with men they know won't please them casual sex is just bad. it has no redeeming qualities. like processed sugar or heroine. can some people do it and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:02 PM
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hey you're the one bringing up virgins not me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:59 PM
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just because were not in the 50s doesnt change what words mean. whores are people who fuck a lot and lots of casual sex all the research on likelihood of marriages and ltrs failing put 5 partners at significantly higher rates than less now abundance is far far worse. we have the data now. family unit destroyed, stds, single parents, chronically single people, mental health issues, sexual trauma. its just all bad no its way more than 10-15%. its not just the addiction to sex in general, but addic…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:58 PM
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haha maybe you should learn to blame the people doing the behavior for the behavior? haha what the fuck its mens fault women are whores wow
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:53 PM
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liking sex from an ex is the same is secretly liking men exactly. in both cases the person really isnt that into you having many past partners increases the chance of sexual trauma and cheating
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:53 PM
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hahaha no you are gross for bringing up virgins constantly. icky
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:52 PM
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if going on many vacations means that its impossible to enjoy the town where you live then yeah its probably going to be bad for you in the long run. same with sex. sexual compatibility is pretty much a myth. what you should be looking for is someone who you love that you can become compatible with over time
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:51 PM
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hahaha no im good where i am but thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:49 PM
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no one has mentioned virgins besides you. its creepy and gross
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:48 PM
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i dont want a virgin. i am saying casual sex is bad (very bad for women) and there's no reason to do sexually experiment. you should do that with your partner and grow with each other im not sure why you are defending women becoming whores. men didn't cause that haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:48 PM
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no everyone says that haha no man wants to marry a whore dont blame men for women wanting casual sex. that was all the sexual liberation, not men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:46 PM
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nah somethings not right with that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:45 PM
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what do any of those things have to do with casual sex and sexual experimentation. are you saying women want to emulate prostitutes? dont they have like a really low place in society? why? i'm pretty sure men have been saying they want low n count women for decades...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:44 PM
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haha no they definitely do not, only twisted western minds think they need casual sex with strangers to not cheat on someone you love. how weird and sick
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:43 PM
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lol men didnt do this women, women did it to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:42 PM
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why would that be a problem for me? people long for past lovers when they have lots of sex and their partner cant live up to it. there's nothing wrong with knowing what you want, the problem is now projecting those wants onto a new partner and forcing them to live up to the ghost of your ex. that's not what a healthy sexual relationship looks like i dont really think sexual incompatabilty is a thing, just incompatible people
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:41 PM
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i am one of the biggest opponents of porn so yeah i agree, but it doesnt make my post wrong i can start wherever i want
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:39 PM
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hey man take it up with the data not me. those are the lines the research uses 5-10 means you are a whore yes. hell in 50s 2 or 3 would make you a whore. we've just become a culture addicted to casual sex and now you are using that addiction to justify why i'm wrong. no argument
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:38 PM
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damn thats sad. he was probably a whore though so makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:36 PM
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it absolutely is ruining the world. the core of human civilization is the family, and the family is being destroyed by sex addicts and porn addicts who cant derive pleasure from being with ppl they love and dstroying families i would say family stability is in the top 5 problems in the world right now, easy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:35 PM
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i mean obviously having more sex partners is going to result in more sex trauma on average right i shouldnt need to explain this hahaha body count is a really really good leading indicator of the quality of women you're dealing with. pretty much all whores i've met have had their long term relationship go to shit with no exceptions but hey believe that sluts have more stable marriages i guess? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:33 PM
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thats because a lot of women accumulate sexual trauma from all their illicit partnerships and then date the safe stable guy. divorce rates high everywhere my dude
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:32 PM
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lol nobody leaves virgins because they arent good in bed. nice head cannon though haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:31 PM
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i got married last year man, why are you acting like i'm some 60 year old guy haha uh I care because its obviously having a bad impact on society and the entire world. seeing how bad its getting is legit scary
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:30 PM
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how is that ironic
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:29 PM
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why? its true. women with body counts over 5 start having way worse relationship outcomes. and obviously the more sexual partners you have the more sexual trauma you start to accumulate i dont think what i said is unreasonable. women with 7 bodies would have been unanimously considered whores like 30 years ago and in most countries still would be
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:28 PM
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why are you mentioning gold diggers? haha yeah older men who are married, and who married women who were younger at the time. i'm not sure why you keep bringing up 50 year old dudes
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:27 PM
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its not arbitrary though right? women with more sex partners have way worse relationship outcomes is it really that crazy to say people who engage in lots of casual sex are whores? I dunno seems reasonable to me
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:25 PM
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exactly. whores are horrible and things are getting out of hand. whore are the reason dating is terrible right now not me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:25 PM
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which point specifically
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:24 PM
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your weird and creepy man haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:23 PM
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yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:23 PM
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both for sure. but i think men can usually process it much better for a variety of reasons and the impact is way less. in general i think casual sex is just bad all around
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:13 PM
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whatabout whatabout whatabout
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:12 PM
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creepy. i dont think about your naked body at all
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:11 PM
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why
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:10 PM
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i mean yeah, but it's like the insecurity that comes with wanting to avoid guys that went to jail for child abuse or something haha smart insecurity
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:09 PM
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i might in another post, geez let me live my life
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:08 PM
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how am i obsessed? i'm a mixed race minority with a big dick it was just a joke dude relax
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:08 PM
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every time i'm asked about men I agree. but the problem with men isn't nearly a big of a deal because very few men are capable of sleeping around like all women can (and are starting to do) any girl can go to a club and get laid by the end of the night. very very few guys can do that. if they could it would be just as bad for them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:06 PM
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its definitely possible but men usually have way less sexual baggage and trauma because sex is far less emotional for them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:05 PM
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uh, no wrong. men with resources can bag hotter women than guys with none. the more you have the hotter than girl you can get is. average guys in college who worked at mcdonalds arnt getting hotter women than the same guy five or six years later doing 100k per year obviously theres an upper limit but in general i'm right
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:03 PM
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no i didn't. a derivation is an interpretation. if your asking me to prove my intepretation i obviously cant do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:01 PM
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they are my correct opinions, yes
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:00 PM
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I am Tyrone lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:59 PM
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all my points are supported by science. my opinion is derived from the data. not hard bruh
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:58 PM
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i dont care about everyone, i care about common toxic behaviors and their impact on society. casual sex is bad like smoking is bad and processed sugar is bad. in this whole thread, not a single person who disagreed with my initial point gave any evidence of casual sex for experimentation being necessary for a longterm relationship. most of these women who disagreed weren't even talking about the sex at all, just dating and understanding themselves we put way too much emphasis on sexual compatabi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:57 PM
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having a high n count is also part of a person's 'whole selves' and a pretty important one when it comes to cheating. practice how you play and all that, baggage, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:54 PM
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because this post isn't about them? duh?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:52 PM
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to get better outcomes in their life?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:50 PM
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no bad for literally everyone. peanuts and casual sex are not the same. peanuts have great outcomes for everyone, and are bad for a small number of people with genetic abnormalities. there is absolutely no positive value of casual sex. literally none
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:49 PM
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yikes, so much fantasizing about my dick in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:47 PM
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nah that's their fault for becoming whores. its like when porn addicted dudes fuck up their sex lives. same diff
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:47 PM
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Because most men are not sleeping around to discover themselves or whatever lie women tell to justify being whores. Men just want to be whores, and they openly admit it. I don't need to both sides every argument thank you very much
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:45 PM
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yikes, another weirdo projecting their insecurities on me. relax bro
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:40 PM
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no its not sure someone who's bad at sex is bad at sex. that's not what i'm describing though
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:40 PM
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Men date younger women pretty much unanimously, while women date older dudes. The only guys settling for older women are the undesirables it's not that men age better, it's that they have more options of younger women
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:38 PM
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I'd say it's definitely pretty common. Obviously your bf at 17 was a child haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:37 PM
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I don't know what that acronym means
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 12:36 PM
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usually men are pleased much easier in sex so they aren't being compared to some ex. women get compared on their looks. but thats easier to solve since you know from day 1 if she's hotter than your ex or not
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:09 AM
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ok then imagine meeting when you were ready my point is fucking other people isn't adding anything meaningful to the relationship. everything i said in my original post is true. in some cases it adds to the relationship, in most cases it doesn't. but the point remains you didn't actually need to explore sexually at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:08 AM
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you don't have to mention their name, it doesnt change the facts of whats happening. incompatible to you means 'he didnt fuck me like my ex' you just arent mentioning specific names haha. its a distinction without a difference you are putting men in a situation where they are competing with the ghost of your ex, and then calling it 'sexual incompatibility' when they can't, and pretending that men like me (who are just speaking the truth) are insecure crazy nobody cares about 35 types of blowjobs…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:05 AM
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how do you know for sure it was made better? if you met your husband in your 20s and you explored together you think you would have worse sexual experiences than you are now?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 06:02 AM
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dating and relationships sure. nothing wrong with meeting someone, learning about that, etc. Having casual sex is just generally bad for society. stds, babies our of wedlock, raised sexual expecations, all sorts of shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:58 AM
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whoa you read way too far into that. chill out bro, pretty racist thoughts you're having there
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:56 AM
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Ok so you agree that your additional sexual experiences are not needed to have happy, fulfilling sex life with your husband then?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:54 AM
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dude you just said you brought what other men did to you in the relationship it is a competition, you just don't know it. if a man cant satisfy you the way you want, then you'll decide your incompatible. you already admitted this. i've never brought my previous partners into a new relationship. my goal is to make them feel good. i never mention things other women did to me. thats so weird and gross like i said women never have to really worry about this men don't care about your 35 different typ…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:52 AM
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i mean Tyrone is a black name yeah. so how is it racist tho?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:48 AM
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So you think if you didn't meet those men and sucked their cock your sex life with your husband would be bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:47 AM
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its exactly what I wrote here. only difference is I implied 'that they are attracted to' which i dunno i think was obvious haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:46 AM
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You'd be surprised what women do
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:44 AM
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tell me what you have learned from different men that made sex better with your husband. i'm always intrigued by these answers
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:42 AM
1

yeah that's what I said...the first time. so no edits needed haha wtf
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:41 AM
3

so you admit that women do want to get fucked by all types of dicks then? hahahaha this sub is a fucking joke. what a clownshow
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:39 AM
6

it absolutely 100% is women who get their brains fucked out will stay with men even if the relationship is toxic in every other way and they also are pretty likely to cheat if the sex is bad or an ex fucked them way better and they can't let go
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:38 AM
2

how is it racist? people say Chad on here all the time but I'm racist if I say Tyrone? haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:36 AM
7

obviously women don't want men they aren't attracted to. don't play dumb
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:35 AM
2

what link
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:34 AM
4

if you're not going to respond to the actual post just go somewhere else lol i didn't say anything about getting married at a young age, you just made that up
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:34 AM
3

yeah it does. difference is dudes date in reverse. every women they date is usually better (not worse) so they are always attracted to their last partner. as women get older their partners get worse, so they are less attracted to their partner. the smart women marry the dude they are most attracted to of everyone. but for a lot of them that boat sails away early on
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:32 AM
7

you'd be surprised what women say about the sex behind men's backs
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:30 AM
7

they want good dick from guys they are attracted to, duh are you really playing dumb here or what
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:29 AM
4

well they meet my definition for whore so that's what i call them. not sure what you want from me here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:29 AM
3

and what you like was what another man did to you. your new boyfriend has to compete with that feeling, whether you understand that's what happening or not. it has nothing to do with feelings, its about the gradually increasing expectations that your new partner has to deal with or else you aren't satisfied totally different from discovering all that with a partner you love and care about. its so much better as a man to help a woman find what she likes than to try to live up to the ghost of her …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:26 AM
4

i mean everything i've been talking about. trauma, sexual expectations, higher likelihood to cheats, more ex's who are 'friends', weird freak shit another guy did to her...all that stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:23 AM
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i mean of course the more sexual partners someone has the more sexual baggage there will be on average right? that seems self evident
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:21 AM
2

haha no you weirdo we just don't like getting hair in our mouths and it doesn't look as good I shave downstairs for my partner too. its hot
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:20 AM
4

uh...yeah? 5+ is like 50% of all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:19 AM
3

problem is sometimes its just because it doesn't feel good, and sometimes it is indeed because of an ex. can you honestly say you have never told a man to do ANYTHING because another person made you feel that way? I think most women who sleep around have done this and will even admit it openly, not sure why i have to drag that out of women when it's so obvious being pleasured is not too much to ask for, so long as it comes from a place of learning and patience and not comparisons. but i think fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:16 AM
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so is 8 and 9. and probably 7. really any women above 5 start having weird sexual baggage and trauma and whatnot
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:12 AM
1

lol i don't care about you or your relationship, you just keep making weird assumptions about my life and i keep having to correct you are you done?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:09 AM
11

buffet of the top 10% of men. where have YOU been? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:07 AM
6

So what could 'do it this way' possibly refer to besides a way that it was previously done to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:06 AM
5

Did you read the post? Go do that, and then explain how what you said is connected at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:05 AM
1

I'm a man Huh? No my relationship is great. what are you on about? I married someone with low n. It's been awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:04 AM
9

What are you talking about? You're bringing up something completely disconnected from sex
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:03 AM
1

ok cool story dog
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:02 AM
2

"Do it the way my ex used to...oh, you can't? Then I guess we're 'sexually incompatible" lol point proven
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 05:01 AM
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10 is definitely whore territory
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:59 AM
4

OK. what does that have to do with what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:59 AM
1

the whole point is that you shouldnt marry someone with high n count to begin with because they are high risk which is exactly what i did haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:55 AM
1

its not a big regret, its just a mistake are you people human? do you not learn things from mistakes? haha its like i'm in the fucking twilight zone on this sub you guys are so weird
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:54 AM
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no, same strokes. casual sex is bad. it has bad outcomes in society. unexpected pregnancy, stds, and as I described fucking up your sex life for yor future partners. its like candy. all processed sugar is bad for you, no exceptions. its ok to indulge every now and then, but over indulging can ruin your life. same here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:52 AM
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of course it won't happen to you, because you're a woman. there's no risk. courts generally reward child custody, alimony, and usually the house to the woman. its why redpillers hate marriage. all risk and no upside. it makes a partners past much, much more important when they could fuck your whole life through divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:49 AM
2

That's fine. Dating and finding compatible partners is important. sexually experimenting outside of relationships is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:49 AM
0

well I would if you had a time machine i could borrow? hahaha shocker as people get older they realize they made mistakes
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:47 AM
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yeah getting blood on your pants is no big deal haha. maybe a little embarassing having your kids and house ripped away from you? slightly more meaningful yeah?? right, men's n count doesn't really matter as much so that makes sense. the women they date as they get older are usually higher quality so there's less risk
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:46 AM
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i didn't ask you what you liked. You said sexual experimentation helped you find your partner. then when i asked you how you basically just described the need for good communication. which is like...no duh that's not sexual experimentation. That's just called dating. There's nothing wrong with dating, within reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:43 AM
1

people who want better outcomes in their life?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:41 AM
3

good way of putting it. I think the bluepill works great if everyone takes it redpill just results in degredation of society
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:40 AM
1

i wasn't a virgin when we met, but I do think that was a bad thing. I wish I could have met my wife as a virgin
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:37 AM
1

it's always the ones with blue hair that are most butthurt haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:36 AM
1

whose trying to keep people ignorant of sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:35 AM
1

so why did you need to experiment sexually in order to find any of what you just said? it seems like you're just describing good communication. what am I missing
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:34 AM
1

what does that have to do with controlling people?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:33 AM
1

damn someone's big mad
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:32 AM
1

we're not talking about the post, we're talking about whether or not something happens. try again!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:32 AM
0

so many things wrong with this haha but let's start here: why did you need to suck other men's dicks to find your partner? what specifically did you learn with other men that helped you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:16 AM
1

how did her statement contradict what i said at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:09 AM
2

nah you didn't. ok i'm bored with you now bye bye
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:04 AM
3

no you're triggered obviously calling women whores is just how i talk *shrug* i'm not justifying, I'm bragging haha
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:03 AM
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well they fit my definition of a whore, so that's what i'll call them haha i'm not wheedling them down to anything but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:02 AM
3

science does back me up actually haha or are you saying every single opinion i have needs a research paper devoted to it? in which case that's super stupid i don't know man the only bitter and mad one between us is obviously you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:00 AM
2

I mean, yes it is just numbers. The first chart shows that the number of sex partners for men and women before first marriage is rising substantially. Second OKC article is great and goes into a lot of detail on who is dating who. Third article shows age of marriage over time. I'm not interested in reading anything you post until you engage with what you asked for from me soooo
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:56 AM
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haha so triggered wow I feel like I'm being very rational but its cool if you dont want to engage P.S.: I'm married P.P.S: my sex life is awesome
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:55 AM
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Well I imagine the husband and children and community would care haha I'm totally fine calling men whores too. Those guys fucking tons of women a year are bad for society. It's just not as big a deal because there are fewer of them and they usually don't want to get married Whores know as they get older no one wants them so they try to secure the ring asap, and then of course things go downhill from there
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:54 AM
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Yes, I think people who have a lot of sex are whores, and damaged. You got it. I don't see how its unhealthy. Science backs me up. whores are less likely to have successful marriages, more likely to be single parents (and all the horrific shit that comes along with that) more likely to have and pass on STDs, and so on. i haven't seen a single positive statistics or outcome for whoredom. Look if being a raging whore resulting in better outcomes I'd support it. Show me data where whores have more …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:51 AM
2

??? Can you read the data? It's literally just numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:48 AM
2

I haven't told you any info about me or 'how I deal with women' so clearly you're just projecting. You haven't even asked what I know, just made a lot of assumptions. clearly you're triggered but its cool lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:47 AM
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Usually because women say that they are missing the sex haha One of my friends literally told me this story: She found out dating this guy we'll call Bob that she was really into deprecation. That moment of sexual discovery was like a mental atom bomb, and that guy knew how to press all her buttons in a way no other man could. Fast forward years later she's married with kids, but still texts this guy across a variety of channels (even linkedin for fucks sake) and will take deprecating photos for…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:46 AM
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what does being good or bad in bed have to do with being a whore? we're talking about whores here, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:41 AM
8

no idea what you're trying to say
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:40 AM
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Nah its common. My experience is my support. Which is why you can't convince me. Just because there hasn't been any research made for a ver specific claim doesn't mean its not true
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:39 AM
4

OK thanks for the contribution Monica
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:39 AM
2

I said people are having more sex than any other time in history (true), that women are mainly fucking the most attractive men on dating apps (true) and that the age of marriage was late 20s (true). Those literally prove each claim for idk what your talking about lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:38 AM
1

I mean I never said that? What I did say is whore who feel the need to 'find their sexuality' are just dooming themselves, their partners, and the human race.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:34 AM
1

what?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:33 AM
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I think sex with 5+ partners qualifies a woman as a whore and I'm being nice, it used to be like 2. Nowadays women are fucked by 10-20 dudes before settling down. Just gross. Ew
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:31 AM
2

Oh yeah? https://www.stadafa.com/2020/07/this-week-we-take-look-at-number-of.html https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/visualizations/time-series/demo/families-and-households/ms-2.pdf I hope you will take your numerous Ls with grace.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:30 AM
1

My advice is that less women should be whores, then we'll all be better off. *thumbs up*
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:27 AM
2

People are having more sex than any other time in history, and women are having more sex with the % of men thanks to dating apps where they can fuck out of their league. Sad but true Nah most women are getting married in their late 20s early 30s, and spend their early 20s sleeping around fucking a bunch of dudes in college
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:26 AM
1

I'm insecure that whores will be the end the human race
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:24 AM
1

Yeah that's not sexually incompatibility, that's just incompatible personality types. If someone wants to do things you don't like in the bedroom, or doesn't want to do things you do like - that means they don't give a fuck about how you feel. There's plenty of things I enjoy that my wife doesn't, but who cares? I love her and will do what she likes because I like making her happy. Your bf isn't a good sexual match, he's just a good match because it sounds like you need someone less rigid who is…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:23 AM
1

I'm married homeboy but nice try at sarcasm lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:15 AM
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It totally does though. Maybe if it was just you being slutty or whatever it's fine but when pretty much all women (and men) are whores these days all of society suffers. Rampart sexual obsession is bad for the entire world. People should date to find relationships, and when they find good ones with people they love they should explore with each other. Women these days are getting fucked in their 20s, settle for dudes in their 30s and then are dissatisfied with the sex and the marriage falls apa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:15 AM
1

Whaaaat? How did I vilify Tyrone? Tyrone is great
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:10 AM
3

I mean the difference is I don't think you can lose half your shit because your store brand pads are less absorbent lol. Noticeable lack of real world consequences with your analogy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:10 AM
2

Um...I care about society quite a lot actually what a weird perspective you hold lol Of course I want to be sexually fulfilled, sex is great. Being fulfilled is easy when you can discover together with your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:08 AM
6

Exploring sexually is wrong and has lead to worse outcomes for society. Change My Mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:01 AM
7

Yes, that's literally what the post says. To be fair I think it applies to men too. I think discovering good sex with a partner you live is 100x better and healthier than sampling cock until you think you know what you want, and then projecting those desires onto your next partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:50 AM
0

what specifically makes him compatible, and what specifically made the other men not compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:41 AM
1

ok so you're literally adding nothing to the conversation cool thanx
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:38 AM
2

OK...not sure what sort of point your making here lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:30 AM
1

I don't know why this is complicated. Women like men who exciting, tall, good looking, that make them wet and are confident and ambitious. Rogues vs. Alphas is just goofy differentiation. Some women love football players, men in uniform, types. Some women love dangerous guys and thugs. Some women love crooning musicians. It's literally all the same shit
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:29 AM
0

Yikes bro, tone policing is so 2010. Maybe cool off with that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:26 AM
1

yah
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:24 AM
1

Yikes, projecting much?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:24 AM
7

Just go on Tinder dog
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:22 AM
0

Yikes, stay mad I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:21 AM
1

both things can true baby. For example, it turns out that people who run businesses are more likely to be confident from the beginning, but running a business can also make people more confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:20 AM
1

Well duh if the sex of your current partner is the best then its obviously not a problem. The issue is when that's not the case
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:16 AM
0

Asking for evidence on how men and women use dating apps is like asking for some scientific research that men stand up to pee and women sit down. Maybe go talk to some people? Anyway I know I'm right so I'm not going to argue. see ya later
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:13 AM
1

Come on cat lady, be honest lol. OK I'm done bye bye
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:11 AM
3

what the fuck are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:09 AM
7

You probably know the fat ugly weird neurodivergent women who hate men, whereas I know mainly hot/pretty ones? I dunno. Anytime I hear the man-hating talk about how trash men are they are back in the saddle asap.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:08 AM
2

So?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:07 AM
4

Not only is it not extreme, it is unbelievably common. You can't tell if there's some underlying trait you're right about that, which makes it a pointless exercise to even deliberate. What I can tell you with absolute certainty is that women who feel their men aren't as good in bed as their ex's eventually start craving what they had before. They'll do their best to get their partner on the same level, but if they can't it's back into DMs they go to relive that orgasmic magic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:06 AM
3

Women are dating the same men at the top of the heap. Have you learned nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 02:00 AM
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The people who prattle on about how much they hate men the most are the first ones back in the toxic relationships. WTF are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:59 AM
1

Nobody told you to marry the first guy whose dick you slobbered over, just not to be a whore obsessed with figuring out what size cock you like down to the milimeter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:58 AM
2

What do you think they are meeting these men for? Tea and crumpets?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:56 AM
11

The shared trait is that they fucked a lot of men and can't find 'sparks' anymore because their new bf isn't as good in the sack and can't make them cum harder than Tyrone. I have like 6 or 7 married female friends, and damn near everyone of them has a man from their past they are actively emotionally or physically cheating with. It's crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:55 AM
3

Literally every piece of data we have from dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:50 AM
7

It's not alarmism, just facts. Women will select the hottest dudes they can with the most charisma, get fucked for years and then marry Bob who is moderately overweight, has no rhythm, a 5 inch dick, and works at FedEx. They are left totally unsatisfied and divorce him. Tale as old as time homeboy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:48 AM
-1

It's not irrelevant. You said women are a small minority of dating app users. You were wrong. I corrected you. Take your L and continue with your day
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:43 AM
12

That's weird because women hate men like it's a hobby and yet they still will suck Chad Thundercock's dick in a gas station bathroom. Until we become robots, we can't separate our hate from our biological impulses to fuck and be fucked. Sad shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:41 AM
4

Trans people are a rounding error. It's goofy anyone even cares about them at all. They are neck and neck with the blind population and I've never even met a blind bitch before. Progressives can push for whatever dumb ideological bullshit they want, but until they know how to rewrite the human genome women will want tall dudes with big dicks and men will want women with hourglass figures, big tits and a shaved pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:38 AM
4

Good thing I didn't say that. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:28 AM
12

It's actually far worse. Numbers don't lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:25 AM
7

The consequence comes when the marriage falls apart because she lied. It's no different than a man being into men and hiding that from his girlfriend. It's easy to hide and there will be 'no consequences'...until suddenly it's not so easy to hide anymore. I call this the 'Lying Whore's Dilemma'
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:24 AM
0

It's easy to spot a slut. What does she know how to do in bed? How much 'trauma' does she have? Is there anything you can do sexually that's new for he? Does she frequently go clubbing? Did you meet on a dating app? If all the above is true, chances are she's a whore-prime. Do not date.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:22 AM
5

The difference is being a slut affects your relationship. As my dad used to say, 'how you practice is how you play.' Hoes will never become housewives. They'll just trick men into thinking they were never sluts until their true colors are revealed and then the relationship ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:21 AM
2

Every woman with a high body count, is by definition a slut. I am fall for bringing slut shaming back mainstream. All women understand is judgement, and if we made the judgement more public and constant we'd see less of this nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:19 AM
3

A small minority of dating app users at any one time. Most women use dating apps, find someone, then delete the app and add it again when it doesn't work out. They just aren't there for long.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:07 AM
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