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-1

Oh geez, go off ‘queen.’ Must have touched a nerve. There are so many reasons provide justification for this concern. Use your brain lmao. I’m not even going to entertain responding to the rest of your pointless rant. Go whine somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 03:56 PM
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Yeah, I do what I want. Get offended by it or not. I asked you a genuine question, and you deflected like most people here do, signaling that you’re not here to engage in dialectic at all. You should work on that. Ta-ta for now.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 03:54 PM
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“Ya but men made the rules so they brought it on themselves idiot!!1!”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 03:50 PM
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I long for genuine discussion on this sub. Was it ever here..?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:30 AM
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I’m not sure it would be “big” or “wild,” but I’m good. I don’t like to assume people’s character or thought processes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:30 AM
0

I guess I’m looking for foundational premises, not the supposed psychological dispositions of BPers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:24 AM
2

So, is your partner the only man you’ve fallen in love with and/or ‘loved?’
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:14 AM
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Do you not understand what he’s saying, or do you just not want to engage?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:12 AM
-2

A genuine concern is not equivalent to an insecurity, and your framing of it as such is alarming. Why are you so quick to think that men who are wondering whether their ‘experienced’ partner or potential partner have an insecurity like this, or that this wondering is an insecurity at all? Strange.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:11 AM
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Do you have any data to back up that RP men are more single than others? I genuinely don’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:09 AM
1

It may be that more people are attracted to trans women (and men) than we think, but attraction and dating are two different things. Many factors hold people back from dating those they’re attracted to, including social stigma. I don’t there are enough people who’d be willing to date trans people generally for this to be the most effective method, but I’m glad you found someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:08 AM
1

What else would you say characterizes or is fundamental to TBP?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 04:45 AM
1

Yeah, not sure who’s giving those to you. (I know what that feels like. For what it’s worth, I’ve tried to bring your internet point score up.) I appreciate your response though — you’ve given me a bit to think about. I think I’ll have to do more research into them, but I have doubts already that I’ll find TBP systematized in an easily-consumable fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 04:10 AM
1

How so, when the vast majority of people do not want to date trans people, and many are transphobic?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 04:09 AM
1

So we should expect significant overlap between the ideologies? I guess I always saw them as systems with radically different foundational axioms.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 04:06 AM
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Then why is TBP framed as “what TRP is not? Are we supposed to expect overlap between these two opposed views? Maybe I just don’t get it. I’m going to be honest: I don’t have an awesome grasp on the full descriptions and prescriptions of any of the pills. It seems everyone here has their own view on what each of them mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 04:01 AM
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I’m not sure if it is the most effective; other methods seem to work better for some people. But your framing of TRP aligns with my view on men in western society. Whether or not your framing is an accurate representation of TRP is a subject of fierce debate here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 03:59 AM
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Astroturfing is everywhere, yes. But it’s the content of the information and its veracity that’s paramount.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 03:26 AM
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Of course not. But people just aren’t going to respond well to being criticized as things they aren’t and of things they didn’t do, though, by those they consider unhinged radicals. Unfortunately, the Left has been co-opted by mean, accusatory loudmouth-complainers. Getting the party to return to normalcy and common sense will go a long way in securing future victories.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 03:23 AM
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You’re completely misrepresenting why women didn’t vote for Harris. It’s not because she’s a woman who “fights for her rights.” It’s because she’s (1) obviously unqualified for the position, (2) a sorry excuse for the first woman president, (3) a part of the bureaucratic machine that seems to have no problem censoring people, violating their civil liberties, and expanding their own wealth and power at the expense of the American people, (4) allied with war hawks and Neo-cons, etc. Harris was sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 03:21 AM
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By doing the research yourself and utilizing critical thinking. Outsourcing your ideas and views to someone else is always less than ideal, if not a bad idea all together.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 03:05 AM
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Are you asking me personally? I don’t think sex simpliciter “lowers women’s value.” But regardless, I think men and women in general nowadays (1) don’t have high enough standards with regards to things that matter (e.g. moral character, excellence, wisdom, open-mindedness, etc.), (2) have inflated standards with regards to things that don’t matter (e.g. wealth, political status, etc.), and (3) improper priorities. I’m against those things which contribute to the worsening of human beings and soc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 02:57 AM
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I have my own view on this. I’m wondering what y’all think and why.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 02:54 AM
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So, if we look at men pursuing women and vice versa, which group in general has a wider gap between ‘sex worthy’ and ‘LTR worthy?’
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 02:53 AM
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The way I was interpreting the comment was: Men will consider more women sexually than relationship-worthy; if he sleeps with a woman, she could be far off from securing a relationship with him. Women will consider less men sexually than men, but if a woman sleeps with a man he’s closer to securing a relationship with her than a man having a one night stand, for instance. You seem to be saying that you at least consider more men worthy of sex than an LTR, but is the gap between sex and LTR large…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 02:52 AM
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The commenter was implying that women in general have higher standards for their sexual partners than men do. Do you disagree? Do you have lower standards for sexcapades compared to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 02:48 AM
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Wrong again. It’s a piece of advice given to people to help them better navigate the world, not a sexist mark which “silences women.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 08:43 PM
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I’m with you there. So, will you join me in my fight against those who want to destroy and rebuild society on the basis of ‘lived experience?’
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:56 PM
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Ah, yes, just like when people talk about economic market value, they’re trying to police people who trade. Nah, man. Utilizing descriptive analysis is entirely separate from making normative claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:54 PM
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Many different people, women and men, police men — and women. I don’t know how you can say, “it’s not women policing men. It’s feminists and red Pillers,” when the vast majority of feminists are women — that is, it’s false.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:51 PM
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Why did you immediately interpret OP was providing a prescription rather than a descriptive analysis?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:48 PM
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Your statement is too strong, and thus false. For some people with regards to some activities or domains, the bar is in hell. People don’t have the same standards for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:47 PM
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Thank you for the genuine comment! It seems you’re agreeing with the ‘male half of the equation.’ In your own experience, have the women you’ve known behaved the same way, or is what the commenter says true (I.e. that, if one ‘gets their foot in the door’ sexually with a woman, she’s less likely to enter relationship you than if a woman ‘gets her foot in the door’ sexually with a man)?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:46 PM
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So, are you saying they behave in the same way men do with regards to their standards of sex and relationships? Because the commenter said, “Men lower their standards to have sex but raise it for romance,” and you didn’t disagree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:43 PM
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What do you mean exactly? Are you saying, “Most women don’t dress primarily for men?” or “Most women don’t dress with the intention of cultivating male attention?” or, perhaps, “Most women are not motivated at all to seek male attention in their dress behavior?” I don’t think these claims have the same truth-value.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:40 PM
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Sure, they can. Look at male strippers for an easy example.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:34 PM
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Do you know why I keep commenting on your responses? Because I scroll through threads and comment and on the dumb shit I see. Is that you Lilith? Or Windmill Flower? Promiscuous-whatever-her-face? Ah, whatever, it doesn’t matter. Let’s break this down. Your comment is not engaging with the post at all. Here you are virtue signaling about men being ‘bad,’ when you haven’t even answered OP’s question or attempted to. OP is obviously using the extended definition of “see” as in “perceive,” not lite…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:33 PM
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If you think he’s contradicted himself, you’re either a troll, stupid, or can’t read. Repeat it with me, sister: The following claims aren’t mutually exclusive! ‘No woman has ever told me to back off.’ ‘Most women [in my experience] find nearly all men disgusting and don’t want [their] attention.’
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:27 PM
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You asked a question, and they answered it. And you respond back with a comment dripping in vitriol, angry that your question was answered? Lmao grow up. Don’t comment here if you’re not going to engage with the post at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:24 PM
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What determines whether someone is dressing “slutty?” I would think it has to do with intention.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:21 PM
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You can consume many things you can’t ‘consume’ (I.e. “Meeting that man was terrifying.. I felt he was consuming me”).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:20 PM
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I didn’t see it as a threat, but as a descriptive analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:15 PM
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For the same reason, let’s say, that you don’t scratch your asshole and sniff it in the grocery store checkout line: you don’t want negative attention, and you do want positive attention from people, even if you don’t care about them or don’t want attention from certain individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 02:14 PM
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No. It’s describing how people’s experiences match up with what they’ve read. That’s why it has support; not simply because people like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 11:24 PM
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You’re choosing such a strange hill to die on. So you’re upset that people bring up FGM with regards to circumcision, because you don’t think they’re comparable for some reason. People do this for various reasons: (1) exposing the double standard ethically, politically, legally, etc., (2) using analogy to get someone to understand the practice better, (3) expressing resentment towards women or anti-FGM activists, (4) revealing a real problem with the American practice of medicine, etc. Who gives…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 07:48 PM
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It depends on what kind of FGM we’re talking about. And I don’t buy into the claim that western women are ‘oppressed’ — so we disagree on a view fundamental to both of our worldviews. The fact of the matter is circumcision without a doubt impacts sexual pleasure and performance. I don’t have to convince circumcised men of anything: there’s data, and they’ve never known any other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 07:42 PM
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I found it highly interesting, if a little disturbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:20 PM
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By not considering the baby’s own wishes and forcing them to undergo an unnecessary procedure? Treating people merely like objects violated their personhood as beings with inherent value and goals. Infant male circumcision insofar as it violates informed consent would be like forcing a woman to give birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:19 PM
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People compare them because they see the lack of symmetry in those who bring up FGM in argument. Many people will scream about FGM and women’s oppression without providing a balanced take in baby boys’ oppression, and people don’t like that. Depending on what you mean by “full functionality,” research suggests that circumcised penises do not retain it. Regardless, I’d highly recommend you check out the documentary “American Circumcision” — it’s free online. Really interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 03:14 PM
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I’m sorry, I don’t think I follow. I’m talking about engaging with the posts here. Someone could “give a shit about their partner” or not — their relationship with their partner has nothing logically to do with the fact that people here don’t engage with posts nearly enough and instead rant, rave, deflect, refuse to answer the question, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:41 PM
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“MGM has nothing to do with personhood?” You’re wrong about that. It’s a human rights violation: the baby boy can’t consent. And it consists of extremely painful removal of tissue without anesthesia which impacts sexual pleasure later in life. All of these together definitely evince that these baby boys are having their personhood denied.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:38 PM
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You should check out the free documentary “American Circumcision.” It goes over both sides of the debate, the data, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:36 PM
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Oops, yes, you’re right — I don’t know why I said that, considering it’s one of (if not the most) common surgical procedures in the U.S.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:33 PM
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I participated in the post you’re talking about, but I’m not sure “many women and men” are willfully ignorant about infant male circumcision. At least a few, for sure. The fact of the matter though is that infant male circumcision is immoral and a human rights violation. EDIT: Previously, I said IMC was “illegal,” but I was being retarded, for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:10 PM
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You can if you’re Uber enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 02:34 AM
4

Ugh. I mean, I understand your skepticism, but could we all try a little harder to actually engage with posts here? The non sequiturs, deflections, and lack of engagement aren’t helpful, interesting, or the purpose of this sub at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 01:39 AM
1

I certainly hope not..! I wouldn’t know much about that though; I don’t hang out with sugar daddies or babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:45 PM
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I just think the majority of the users here don’t care. And there’s ample evidence that many here cannot read, so… lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:44 PM
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Preferably drug dealing, pimping, or domestic abuse, obv. Throw in some lying and manipulation in there too, and ALL the babes will be drooling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 08:07 PM
1

Do you think that there’s a higher percentage of younger women dating older men or younger men dating older women? I’m betting it’s the former; so young women obviously don’t see it as “weird” — many of them see older men as their ‘ticket.’
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 05:11 PM
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What are you talking about? Men are called “creeps” all the time, face stigma in hanging out with their own kids, and are assumed to possess most if not all of the power and control in relationships where there’s an age gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 05:10 PM
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“Don’t stick your dick in crazy” isn’t solipsistic lmao — it’s pro-social advice directed outwards at others. “I deserve to be treated like a princess” is ego-inflatingly solipsistic directed inward towards self.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:56 PM
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Yeah, that would make sense. It is rather astonishing and concerning how immature and irresponsible many people are (e.g. poor communication skills, unwilling or incapable of doing chores, lack of basic hygiene, etc.). I do think that many people didn’t have to learn these skills because others have picked up the slack for them, but I’d also venture to guess that people just aren’t doing so hot nowadays: widespread, apathy, depression, and lack of meaning and purpose dissolves motivation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:46 PM
2

Yeah, he and Diddy are kindred souls.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:23 PM
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Some people will ‘get down’ at the club, but not as many at a gay club, for a variety of reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:21 PM
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Of course they’re told that. And, in addition, they’re told they’re ’living in sin’ and will ‘go to hell.’
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:20 PM
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Progressivism is functionally anti-men, blaming them for all of western society’s problems and accusing them of being ‘oppressors.’
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 02:27 PM
3

Interesting. As a man, I’m not like this, nor am I friends with any who are. In fact, I do the vast majority of the cleaning, chores, scheduling, calls, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:55 AM
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This isn’t a made up fantasy. I’m living the beginning of this. Why are you so quick to dismiss others’ opinions and experiences?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 04:51 AM
1

Western women saying they’re going to join the 4B movement isn’t a well-thought out political strategy to initiate change — it’s primarily a retaliatory action borne from resentment of those they perceive as voting against their interests. Because it’s borne from resentment and anger, isn’t well thought out, and many won’t really commit to it, it’s not going to help women in the way they want it to. When I use the word “vice,” I’m invoking the opposite of “virtue” (I.e. excellence) based on Anci…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 06:20 PM
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Your comment does not address or wrestle with the post at all. This is a discussion and debate sub. Can y’all see why some people on this sub are annoyed and ticked off?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 06:10 PM
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Thank God I don’t have to deal with that. Sorry that you do. Unnecessary rudeness and mean-ness is so annoying and unattractive. Disgusting, even.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:59 PM
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People engaging in activities that cause them to fall further into vice is degenerate. Unfortunately, those activities are numerous and becoming increasingly common — them being fucked up has nothing to do with normalcy, you’re right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:56 PM
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Holla, girlfriend. I’ve been sayin’ for a long time: most people are cute — or at least you can find them cute. I don’t often see an ‘ugly’ person (visually speaking).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 05:52 PM
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Well, there was even a post on here awhile ago claiming that the ‘Pence rule’ (as a man, don’t meet with a woman one-on-one who isn’t your wife) is sexist. In addition, it’s a common feminist argument that men avoiding women in professional settings to protect themselves and not have to deal with sexual harassment charges harms women (in part because it excludes them from furthering their own careers).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 04:00 PM
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Good on you. Stick to your principles. Fuck that guy. (Not literally.)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:49 PM
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It’s possible, but it’s not likely — and it’s getting worse. Unfortunately, we’re not living through the boomer era where the ‘American dream’ is in reach for the majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:49 PM
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Wanting to engage in rational debate is not the same thing as “worrying” about whatever you’re talking about. Dialectic is the primary path towards further understanding and truth. It’s inherently valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:45 PM
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Well, plenty of women do, if the guy is ‘attractive’ and ‘fun’ enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:42 PM
-2

No. Whether something is objectively rational or not depends on conditions external and independent of the human mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:41 PM
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No, it’s mostly just bitterness and resentment. If women didn’t want to associate with people who “don’t care about [their] health,” they would be protesting en masse Big Pharma, our agricultural and food industry, the FDA, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:40 PM
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They’re just resentful and want to lash back. Which they can do. But it’s not going to help or heal — and it’s borne from vice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:37 PM
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I guess it depends on a number of factors. I don’t hate anyone, but I’m becoming increasingly jaded with others, men and women. People just kind of suck nowadays, according to what I think is proper behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:29 PM
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Th ethical egoists (some RP guys, Nietzsche, Stirner) will argue that egoism — prioritizing one self — is the right path. Others, like those who formulated the ethics or care (Held and Noddings) and Communitarianism will argue something kinda the opposite: prioritizing others were in relationship with, or the public good is the right way to live. The truth seems to lie somewhere in the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:26 PM
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Ever since they messed with the algorithm to include copious amounts of advertisements, it’s sucked. Too bad, too — it used to actually be helpful…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 03:36 AM
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From what I’ve seen and heard, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 03:35 AM
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Your comment suggests words and/or concepts coined by men are suspicious or untrustworthy. That doesn’t seem like a defensible view.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 03:35 AM
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Oh sure. Everyone’s gone through some shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 03:21 AM
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I was asking Broad, not the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 03:20 AM
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Please say more — what do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/24 02:13 AM
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It’s not about “being mothered.” It’s about not having meaning, a purpose, goals, and/or other psychological needs being met.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 07:16 PM
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Doubt this guy’s been a slave, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:50 PM
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No. Precision in claims is important. It’s required for good conversation and the pursuit of truth. But if you do want to see contentless rhetoric and semantic games, just look at a bunch of comments in this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:49 PM
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Depends. Is that desiring impacting the HCP’s work and patient rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:48 PM
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I’m not sure how prevalent all that is in the grand scheme of things, but maybe it’s more numerous than I think. It seems like you’re more so focused and upset about men not showing the empathy you think they should.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:41 PM
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Yeah, I was just trying to ‘cover my bases.’ But it’s not hard to see how groups and interests use people politically, not really caring about them or trying to serve them to secure and expand their own power. Those who are progressively minded will never see men’s lives as being filled with more objectification — of injustice—, because they think male (‘over-‘)representation in positions of power and authority and the ‘privileges’ they have make irrelevant any claims about objectification when …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:39 PM
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I like Kant’s formulation better: treating people as a means to an end is unavoidable, but we shouldn’t treat people merely as a means to an end. I’m using you to satisfy my desire for interesting conversation. You’re using the cashier to check out your groceries. She’s using her parents for security and support. It’s only when we merely use people that’s bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:36 PM
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Boomer men are dense in my experience — and often inconsiderate. I don’t go out of my way to interact with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:34 PM
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Hmm, I’m not sure what you mean. Please, tell me more. I’ve always found women doing the same interesting, and feminist analyses of it (I.e. women desiring choking, having rape fantasies, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:32 PM
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I mean, a lot of them have women’s bodies on their mind. But you mean that’s not what you want men to focus on (most of the time), yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:31 PM
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Like complaining about men all the time? EDIT: Bring on the downvotes. It only makes me stronger!!!1!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:29 PM
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Most of the people know that he’s a narcissist, that he doesn’t personally care about them, that he’s lied in the past, etc. Yet they voted for him because they’ll think he will best serve their interests. Imagine being so low IQ that you can’t see what’s right in front of your face and lack common sense lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:24 PM
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“Average trump supporter?” Lmao, nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:22 PM
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It doesn’t matter if anyone can “tell” — that’s not the point. The point OP is making is that this behavior and its normalization is harming society. And sex has obviously “contributed to mental health issues.” Look at all the people walking around with mental hell issues due to sexual trauma. Certain kinds of sex hurt people, physically and otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:21 PM
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True. It’s not your fault what other’s likes and dislikes are. But what you do is your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:18 PM
1

‘MURICA!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:17 PM
4

It’s obviously false that “number of sexual partners doesn’t tell anything about values.” If nothing else, high n-count tells you the person doesn’t value chastity — or at least didn’t in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 06:15 PM
1

Right. Some think it’s looks, for example. I agree that an expectation’s reasonability is influenced by how much agency the person has, yeah. At the same time though, people aren’t owed relationships — and they can have whatever preferences they like, even for immutable characteristics. Which makes dating all the more difficult. Relationships are hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:58 PM
4

Hmm. Yeah, probably.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:56 PM
1

Yes, but I don’t think it will have much to do with the sex strike some women are planning. We are living in a late-stage capitalist society which is experiencing decadence and is saturated with technology. These technologies, their addictive natures, the rise and access of convenience, unhealthy food supply and agricultural practices, evnvironmental degradation, corruption in our institutions, the further financialization of the economy, poor parenting, crises in competence, the crisis in meani…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:43 PM
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Absolutely. Capitalism isn’t an all-powerful demiurgic force though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:59 PM
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It’s an empirical fact that many external pressures, structures, and influences exist which constrain human beings (e.g. upbringing, the economy, policy, trade, education, etc. — elements of our facticity). But there is no divorcing human experience and life from the will. Unfortunately, many people think they have much less control and freedom than they do — shit’s just hard, though harder for some and easier for others. One of my undergraduate philosophy professors once tried to appeal to my e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:57 PM
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True. As long as personal or political agenda informs the discussion here and the minds of those commenting, conflict will arise and generalizations, data, and anecdotes will be weaponized. That’s why I don’t expect much good-faith or enlightening discussion on this sub: the majority of the people here seem ideologically possessed, motivated by personal vendetta or resentment, and/or participate here primarily for their own self-gratification rather than the pursuit of truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:51 PM
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Holy cow, a reasonable take with reasonable views on social and political issues. What are you doing in this sub, my man?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:48 PM
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Social media platforms ain’t really helping things. Combine that with the addictive nature of these technologies, late-stage civilizational decadence and convenience, poor parenting, ideological messaging, and a poor economy, and the polarization will get worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:44 PM
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Well yeah, people get feelings about stuff. Many men think it’s silly and impractical, so they express that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:41 PM
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I usually interpret such men reacting like this as meaning, “I know what that feels like because it happens to me,” in a dismissive way — which often lacks empathy. You don’t think men mean this when they bring up their own problems?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:38 PM
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So part of the claim that “most men will never understand what it’s like to be a woman” may include men not considering women’s hardships?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:37 PM
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This is obviously false. (Whether or not the person realized they’ve thought or talked about it is another question.) Every one has had the experience of feeling, thinking, and/or saying, “There is nothing I can do…” when it is in fact false. That’s what it means to “externalize locus of control:” perceiving another or one’s self as a helpless object rather than a subject with free will.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:34 PM
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The explanation I’ve heard is that women more so than men are victims of objectification, socially, sexually, politically, etc, which manifests in various forms. But I’d love to read women’s perspectives on this question, because their experience of reality is different from mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:07 PM
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There’s a proven method for losing weight that works for everyone: just don’t eat. There isn’t a proven method that works for everyone when it comes to ED.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 02:13 PM
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Stephen Hawking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 12:30 PM
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Why does anyone bother to make a post here? To vent and rant.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 12:19 PM
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I like your style.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:06 AM
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Wow, pretty crazy thing you believe in, then. I can’t imagine not caring for the creation, sustaining, and flourishing of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:04 AM
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Sure. And I wouldn’t want to date that guy either. I think people underestimate just how many values they actually share with others, even those they’d claim are their political opponents and enemies. Many of us just have different ideas about how to best realize those values in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:03 AM
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I didn’t say they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 05:00 AM
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What if he honestly believes someone could survive on minimum wage? There’s no room in your proposed view for sincerity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:59 AM
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“Pathetic?” I disagree. It can be pathetic, but it isn’t always. As human beings living amongst others, we can and should point our problems in our communities. Actions don’t occur in a vacuum: what others do impacts us, and what we do impacts others. There’s nothing wrong or “pathetic” with sounding the alarm on social issues, calling out harmful and unwise behavior, and advocating for changes that will positively impact society and its members.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:42 AM
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The same way anything births anything: through time, conditioning, energy, and effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 10:44 PM
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I don’t think they’re “almost always stupid.” They are often incorrect relative to a certain perspective, but generalizations help communicate information about empirical trends. It depends on what the person is trying to communicate whether such generalizations are ‘stupid,’ ‘false,’ or ‘unhelpful.’ Unfortunately, the main point and intention of the speaker is not always clear, especially online, which leads to conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 04:20 PM
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I think a lot of the men here don’t want to date someone that’s going to belittle and/or harass them. That doesn’t seem ridiculous to me. Most people will compromise for the ‘right’ person or the right price though. For me, it comes down to sharing the same underlying values — and ideological possession. These are dealbreakers for me, because they’d be hell-raisers. (But, if you live in the West, we’ve been in slow-motion collapse for awhile. Should we resist, escape, enjoy the ride, or accelera…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:26 PM
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That’s different than political beliefs though, ain’t it? She could just be mistaken about how to best realize those values in the world (e.g. she values compassion but mistakenly thinks open borders will achieve and expand it).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:23 PM
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No, I don’t really care that much. What I really care about is whether she has the same underlying values and lives her life by ethical principles. If she’s not willing to discuss political issues open-mindedly, then I would drop her though. I’m not going to date someone who is arrogant, closed-minded, ideologically possessed, and/or deceitful. My current partner doesn’t share all of my political beliefs, but she’s gotten closer to me politically as we’ve dated — and she doesn’t seem possessed. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:22 PM
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Yeah, no. That’s despicable — your first sentence, that is. Human beings shouldn’t think of or treat others like mere objects. People who do that either (1) didn’t internalize their moral education, (2) are weak willed, or (3) are actually bad people. People obviously are free to do whatever they want, but treating people merely like objects should never be respected, dismissed, or accepted. (If you didn’t mean it’s fine to treat others merely like objects, then disregard this comment.)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:17 PM
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How do you think human needs work..? You’re saying being lied and manipulated into sex is “sometimes…exactly what you need?” You’re either being willfully ignorant here, or you have some strange definition of “fuckboi.” No one “needs” being lied and manipulated into sex. You’re just looking for a kind of dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:13 PM
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Of course they’re hurting. That’s why they’re engaging in the behavior in the first place: to satisfy needs and desires that are going unfulfilled (e.g. usually psychological and connected with trauma). And by lying, manipulating, and sleeping around so casually, they are harming others and themselves by falling further into vice and depravity, distancing themselves further from meaningful relationship and healing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:02 PM
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I’m partial to religion since I was also raised in a religious household. (Too bad it didn’t really help keep my parents together, ha.) We are now living in an age in which many feel lost and confused, lacking meaning and purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 02:44 PM
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The implication that people who voted for a candidate who they believe will best serve their interests don’t “take women’s issues seriously” is ridiculous. No one thinks abortion, freedom of choice, or bodily autonomy isn’t serious. This is a silly post.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/24 03:57 AM
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True. It ain’t easy being cheesy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 06:52 PM
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Do you think there’s a great number of those people can use as a model? My mom and dad got divorced when I was in kindergarten. She remarried an abusive alcoholic and divorced him. My dad got engaged 10 years ago, but she cheated on him and he broke it off. Now, both she and my dad are single and depressed and have been for years. My aunt and uncle are still together, but they’re sickly, have a nonexistent sex life, and obese. They don’t seem overjoyed with one another. My other uncle killed him…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 06:49 PM
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It’s always been men and women who are (1) responsible for how society is, (2) what happens in society, and (3) who bears causal and moral responsibility (to varying degrees).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 04:28 AM
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No, it’s not “weird.” You’re wrong, and that’s not some ‘sick’ burn. People should care about what others in society are doing. No actions occur in a vacuum: they affect us, rippling outwards into social dynamics, the economy, politics, etc. Can you honestly not recognize this, or do you just not believe it..?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 03:36 AM
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Because it leads to conflict and harm in society..? Why do you care what choices other men make (e.g. lying, leading women on, pumping and dumping, etc)? Same reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 03:34 AM
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If I said, “Men are stronger than woman,” does that imply I’m saying all men are stronger than all women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 03:26 AM
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But how would she receive the attention and validation she wants to without having to reciprocate or commit to something?!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 03:25 AM
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Everybody together now: when someone says they “don’t have time” for you, what they actually mean is that you’re not a high enough priority for them to make time for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 03:24 AM
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Yes, you can. What you mean is that it’s not justifiable or reasonable to say it in some cases — or it doesn’t reasonably apply to all cases. So you are saying one can say it about anything..? Maybe the debate should be over the point in the title (wild, I know). Do you agree or disagree that a woman wanting a man who ‘takes initiative’ places no kind of obligation at all on her to initiate some things?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 03:23 AM
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Can we all agree the woman’s behavior here is annoying and unhelpful?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 03:19 AM
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Yep. I’ve said it a thousand times, and I will continue to say it: when someone says they “don’t have time” for you, what they mean is you’re not high enough on their priority list for them to make time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 03:18 AM
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People don’t buy intersectionality because of its proximity to progressive hysteria, association with an exaggerated worldview, and its connection to ‘the progressive stack.’
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/24 03:09 AM
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Got it. Thanks, have a good one
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:07 PM
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Well that’s rather broad. I’m more so looking for discussion on “the sexy son hypothesis” — if you had any recommendations. But I’ll look it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:06 PM
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Because many people (1) externalize their locus of control and causal and moral responsibility for their lives, (2) are ideologically possessed, and (3) are consumed by ‘liberation’ and hedonism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:05 PM
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Does someone being male have any connection to the veracity of empirical data..? News to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:58 PM
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They do. And then they whine they can’t live in unnecessary luxury and convenience.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:57 PM
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Well, that’s a funny way to get off, but you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:54 PM
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“Pearl clutching?” I’m just echoing back what you said and explaining why it’s wrong. I don’t have a moral stake in this lol — but I do have a stake in truth. You should cultivate one some time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:53 PM
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Interesting. First I’m hearing of it. Got anything I could read on the subject?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:52 PM
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Nah, I’m not that old, and many women older than me are cute! I don’t think I’m projecting an image on most men and women; I believe I’m just noticing the positive qualities that are there. If you disagree, oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 03:51 PM
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You said “men’s behavior” is the problem. Only someone who thinks (1) women have no agency and/or (2) women don’t contribute to the nature of western society would think that. Both of which are obviously false, since ‘it takes two to tango.’ If it’s anyone’s fault, it’s both men and women’s. Yet you casually leave half of the equation out. For what reason? I don’t know.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:49 PM
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I think the PPB’s would say it is western women who suck — and what they do and how they do it they don’t want to contend with. Can you imagine why PPB’s wouldn’t want to date western women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:46 PM
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That’s true. It takes time and experience to improve and better oneself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:43 PM
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I would argue the drive for convenience often goes hand-in-hand with a fear of conflict, but I see your point. But I think a lot of men and women are afraid of telling others they’re not interested. It may be that the people you associate with aren’t, but it would seem to me that ghosting to avoid having the difficult conversation, leading someone on to avoid conflict, etc. are common. I do think there are people out there, like you perhaps, who ‘pick their battles’ from a space of cost-benefit …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:42 PM
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Okay
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:39 PM
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My experience has shown me this. I can’t offer you a proof without a discussion of the epistemic foundations of worldviews, metaphysics, etc. Do you want to get into that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:39 PM
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I’m not sure whether men or women are more or less cowardly than each other. I’m commenting on what I’ve experienced, and putting forth an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:38 PM
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I would say there’s a lot of incentive to engage in these. To forego (1) conflict, (2) drama, (3) facing one’s fears, (4) actually making progress in relationships, (5) etc. Do you mean economic incentive?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:37 PM
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Eh, I’m not sure. I find the vast majority of women at least cute. Similarly, I can see that the majority of guys aren’t ugly. Maybe we all have different standards of attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:31 PM
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So, AF/BB?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:29 PM
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Do you not think human beings have been molded by millions of years of evolution to seek out certain traits in partners, reproduction, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:29 PM
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What the guy is trying to get at is, women, when asked these questions, will jump to saying, “He’s lovely and kind,” when what really matters is, first, if he’s physically attractive. Some guys think that women are being deceitful to men by relaying first the positive personality traits they find attractive when, in actuality these guys think, someone has to be physically attractive to even get noticed, to get their foot in the door. All of this is to say some guys think women should be ‘honest:…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:25 PM
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I disagree with your fundamental metaphysical ontology. Love is the force that sustains being and makes relationships possible — it precedes human action or thought. But yes, it can be detrimental to seek it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:35 AM
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I disagree. Why would one lie about their beliefs or actions unless they were not in part brave enough to own up to the consequences? Most people try to skirt or avoid them out of fear or anxiety. (I would include anxiety in the set of vices which lacks virtue.) The idea that one should “pick [their] battles” is borne usually from not possessing enough courage to face them. I include both dating and relationships because 5 is not usually common in LTR’s, so I partly agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:21 AM
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I don’t equate acting in self-interest with being selfish, though I agree that cowardice often coincides with acting in self-interest and sometimes selfishly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:11 AM
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I only know one woman who doesn’t engage in two or more of these behaviors consistently.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:05 AM
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I did no such thing. One can be unselfish and cowardly, unselfish and un-cowardly, selfish and cowardly, and selfish and un-cowardly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:04 AM
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Good point. I would agree that cheating is also cowardly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:03 AM
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I’m not sure any man or woman “deserves” another, but yes, they should work to improve themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 04:03 AM
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I disagree with framing any of the posts as advocating for “catering to conservative men’s feelings.” To “garner support for liberal causes,” women should (1) act more moderately, not hysterically, (2) appeal to moderate or classically liberal men’s desires, and (3) practice active listening and empathy. Note: progressive women are never going to receive the support of conservative, populist, or classically liberal men, as long as they remain committed to progressivism (e.g. adherence to wokenes…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:57 AM
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Economic concerns no doubt played a role, but let’s not pretend misandrist hysteria and woke exaggeration didn’t also.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:30 AM
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So do women. They just don’t have the constitutional right to kill another body.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:28 AM
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Do you honestly think the majority of men in the West are not “okay with equality?” What rights are granted to men that are not granted to women, seriously? Who ended women’s disenfranchisement?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 02:27 AM
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I don’t see how either position is “contradictory.” You haven’t even really laid them both out in clear terms. Sounds like you just think some men and women are hypocrites.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/24 01:36 AM
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I was falsely accused of “harassing women” at a bar one time and kicked out, despite talking to only one woman the entire time. Turns out, that one woman came to the bar with her male friend who had the hots for her, and he lied to the bar to get me kicked out despite the woman and I having a good time chatting and not doing anything physical.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 04:19 PM
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No, it’s about how men and women play a role in what happens and what society is like. Or do you believe men are casually and morally responsible for everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 05:06 AM
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Pure paranoia.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/24 03:44 AM
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No, I did not set anything up. Like everyone else besides the rich elites, I found myself in this situation. I didn’t “condition generations of women.” I haven’t been “oppressing” them. When will y’all realize it’s not men that are harming you but rich elites?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 06:54 PM
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Nah, shame has a proper role and function. You like licking your fingers and touching the meat at the grocery store I frequent? I’m shaming the fuck out of you — and you should be shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 06:40 PM
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Dude, take a break from this sub. Your pessimism and paranoia is just getting worse and worse, and you’re actively stoking resentment and anger.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 05:57 PM
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How? Like how men would have prevented feminism from becoming a thing? Or how is he correct? Obviously, women wouldn’t have the rights and freedoms they do today if a significant number of men had “no desire to help women” and/or “like [their] suffering.”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 05:55 PM
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What do you think they mean by “fear?” What we tend to mean nowadays, “afraid,” or what the word used to reference, “respect?”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 03:08 PM
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Yeah, because you’re not engaging with the post at all. Bravo for your ad hominems.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 06:19 AM
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It’s not about affording it. It’s about the principle, humility, and respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 06:18 AM
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You have a very pessimistic and dim view of humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 06:17 AM
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How could we know that if both men and women have gotten away with it? Perhaps women are more cautious and more clever.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 05:22 AM
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I didn’t interpret this post as that, but rather ‘the grass is not necessarily greener.’ Oh, what disposition and being online will do to someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 05:05 AM
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So, you don’t disagree with OP, then. You just think men who are harmed by women who harm others reactively are doing something bad..? No one disagrees with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 04:24 AM
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Not true. What do you think “gynocentric” means? Women get everything they want? “Gynocentrism” is the privileging or prioritizing of women in the majority of domains of human life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 02:00 AM
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Paranoia.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:59 AM
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Complaining is not the same thing as providing an empirical description of reality. If you want one, here it is: men and women in general in the West suck and need to improve themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:58 AM
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Skill issue 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:56 AM
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Desire and attraction can rise and fall, but you can’t reason someone into it, says RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:51 AM
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True, but not all men are. And a woman who knows ahead of time that her partner sucks in these ways shouldn’t be surprised when the rubber hits the road.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:50 AM
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A woman gets to decide her own standards. That doesn’t mean her standards are rational though, nor that they should be praised or accepted. A woman in general should want and pursue someone (1) she’s attracted to, (2) who has objectively good values, priorities, and similar goals, and (3) who will commit to her and work on improving themself and the relationship. The problem is that women hyper-focus on (1) and don’t consider strongly enough (2) and (3).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:49 AM
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Yes. Access to uncountable options and information has been a net negative. The sexual revolution has been a net negative. I can easily learn to happily love someone and be married to them for life. I would rather do that and “provide,” treating my wife respectfully, than deal with all this vicious crap, floating in a sea of non-committal, narcissistic hedonism.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/24 01:20 AM
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You think only “Trump women” are going to be dating? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 08:15 PM
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This drive for moral purity in all respects is both impossible and misguided. So people hate Trump because he’s done despicable things in his personal life, said mean words, and has a ‘fuck you’ attitude. (People will say they hate him because he stands for things they’re vehemently opposed to, but there’s only some truth in this.) Mostly people hate him for his presentation. And then there’s a whole bunch of people that don’t, that claim more about actual socio-economic results. Harris, Biden, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 04:09 PM
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“That’s not saying men aren’t human — just that they’re deserving of hatred and maybe death!!1!”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 06:20 AM
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Safety is pivotal, I agree. We may differ in how little social trust there is, yes, but I’m open to having my view changed. I think a lot of people would call paramedics and firefighters — police less so. But yeah, I would say a lot would lean on their friends and family. I wasn’t around decades and decades ago, so I only have testimony to go on. (I don’t know the data.) I think many people grow up hearing how “different” (I.e. safer) life used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 05:00 AM
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Yes. Hobbes had it right: look at how people behaved in his day — and even now — with laws and law enforcement, bearing weapons, locking their homes, locking things inside their homes. Trust and social cohesion has decreased, and polarization and insecurity has increased. It sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 11:13 PM
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I think increased tensions are coming regardless of which ideology becomes more popular. That’s what happens when you’re living through slow-motion collapse.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 09:18 PM
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Where did I say “sex is a need?” Quote it. You can’t. And regardless, physical affection is a psychological need like social interaction is. I won’t respond to anything you reply in response to this. I already know there’s no point in trying to have a real discussion with you. Here come the non sequiturs drenched in misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 06:56 PM
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She’s not. Take my word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 06:54 PM
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Of course it’s not “fine” and not “not…wrong.” You admit yourself here that it’s a “shitty thing to do.” You’re speaking as if something happening in reality means it’s not bad. That’s simply not true. While people have free will and can (mostly) do what they want, ‘monkey branching’ is dishonest, dishonorable, and selfish. And in those cases where the person has made a commitment to another (e.g. marriage) which has not been violated by that person, it is immoral and shameful.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 06:22 PM
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It’s not denying the truth of men — it’s just omitting information. (OP, probably.)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 06:18 PM
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I heard this unironically in grad school, from the women who were into Dworkin and MacKinnon.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 06:16 PM
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I’m gonna keep saying it until the cows come home: most men don’t “just want sex with a pleasant and attractive woman;” they want a woman’s attention, effort, and care. Some people just want to get laid, sure, but what’s lurking behind most men’s resentment and criticism of women isn’t lack of sex: it’s not having a fundamental physical and psychological need satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 05:27 PM
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doubt Given war, men’s representation in police, firefighter, infrastructure, and dangerous occupations. That alone should give you an a priori reason to re-evaluate your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 05:37 AM
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That’s a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 05:30 AM
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No idea — I don’t talk to them, and I’m not one of them. But you did make me laugh implying I was one for simply asking a clarifying question. What an amusing world we live in where people make assumptions about others’ characters! I’m happy I brought my popcorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 05:30 AM
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If you’re making a claim, evidence makes your case stronger. You don’t have to do anything, but anyone accepting what anyone says just because they said it is unwise and impractical. If you’re interested in convincing people, you’ll make your case strong; if you’re just interested in ranting, you’ll do what you’re doing now.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 05:28 AM
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Okay, tell us all what percentage of users on Twitter are bots.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 05:19 AM
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Don’t forget that it’s also a cesspit of left-wing ideology too. Every social media platform contains many echo chambers. I’m glad you haven’t encountered these people in real life and don’t associate with them, but they’re real. I went to grad school with a few of them. We studied philosophy, and calls for dissolving human rights for men could be heard weekly in the computer lab, along with claims that all penetrative sex is rape, no man ought to be respected, and male fetuses should be aborted…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 05:17 AM
2

I personally don’t think so, but you do you. I would say orange sherbet is better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 03:12 AM
3

Porque no los dos.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 03:11 AM
10

No, he’s asking for people to empathize with the hurtful experience of feeling lied to and unjustly passed over. That’s the experience these guys have, regardless of whether they are in fact lied to or unjustly passed over.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 03:10 AM
10

And yet here you are, being mean in a subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 03:09 AM
13

So, just to be clear, you don’t think society encourages and/ rewards “fuckbois?”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 03:07 AM
0

‘Robotic’ sex happens every day, as well as sex that is passionate and new but not familiar. What do you mean these scenarios “don’t sound real?” You’re just trying to dodge the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/24 02:15 AM
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No, it’s not “100% subjective.” Why would you even think that..? Because you don’t want it? The vast majority of people do, and monogamous partnerships and children empirically have been found to raise happiness and contribute to a fulfilling life. You seem to have not grasped my point, and it doesn’t seem like you’re even trying to. I doubt explaining it even more would do any good. I’m not sure why you’re even responding to my comments if you’re not interested in having a good-faith conversati…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:34 PM
0

“Mental masturbation?” I didn’t know it was vicious to try to have an honest conversation about the fundamental questions of human life. If you have nothing better to do than remark on my supposed character, I’d suggest you go read a book. It takes nothing to be kind. Don’t be an ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:30 PM
-2

Well, I wouldn’t say it’s incomprehensible. I’m sure your power of thought is respectable if you’d apply it. (Unfortunately, many people nowadays don’t even try..)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:28 PM
-5

Far from it! Winning the husband lottery involves shacking up with a man with a stable and lucrative career, who does the majority of the chores, who is handsome, considerate, and passionate, and who does equal if not more child care. There are more of them than you know. It seems your view of men is rather pessimistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:26 PM
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Democracy is not an “egalitarian movement that addresses everybody’s issues.” At best, it’s a form of power concentration that is decentralized and gives everyone a say; at worst, it’s rule by the idiotic rabble that has little impact on the formation of any policy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:10 PM
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Affirmative action policies, federal funding targeting women’s issues but not men’s (and federal funding disproportionately funding women’s ailments and not men’s like breast cancer vs. prostate cancer), the draft which women are not obligated to sign up for under threat of arrest, etc. No doubt there are also several social aspects to this as well which seek to lift up women and harm men. Men and women both have struggles, but western society is trying to do much more for one of these groups th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:06 PM
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No doubt failing to help the ‘common man’ has repercussions on women as well, but many do not have the knowledge necessary to provide potential economic solutions. And there definitely are things men want that are “intrinsically related” to being a man. The Men’s Rights Movement talks about these things all the time: the draft, men in general being seen and treated as disposable, over-representation in dangerous jobs, harmful social roles and expectations, an education system not tailored for me…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 09:02 PM
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The point of the sub is to debate and engage with others. I don’t see you doing that, so I don’t think you understand the point of the sub. Ranting, being dismissive of others, non sequiturs? Silliness. Simply saying “no” is not ‘debate’ or discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 07:27 PM
-1

You think it’s impossible to make sense of OP’s point? Or do you just think he’s being ludicrous?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 07:14 PM
-1

Nah, this morally relativistic stance defies intuition and reasonability. Nobody really thinks or argues that being a junkie and having a codependent junkie boyfriend who buys your drugs is “having it all.” And your second claim is false. My expression of objectively good conditions is subjective, but what is ‘objectively good’ is no more subject to my opinion than yours. All human beings, for example, objectively need good sleep, diet, exercise, psychological fulfillment, etc. — these are objec…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 07:10 PM
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Because women aren’t men..? They’re different, subject to different treatment, roles, and expectations. For most people, both a flourishing career and a flourishing family at the same time for a long period of time are out of reach. Many people can have both, but they both won’t be awesome. I’m starting to think what you mean by “have it all” is not the same as what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 07:06 PM
2

So, to become sexier and more provocative, men need to do something as opposed to many women who just have to look like something?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:26 PM
-5

No, I don’t think “having it all” is defined simply by what that particular woman wants. If a woman defines it as being able to get high whenever she wants and a man who will pay for that habit, and she has that, she does not “have it all” because “having it all” is not equivalent to satisfaction of desire. Yes, women can be happy living different lives, having a family or not depending on what she wants, but that happiness is also dependent on objective(ly good) conditions and resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:24 PM
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No, women can’t live “like men and have it all.” Women have to bear children (if they want them). They have to invest a lot of time and energy into both their career and their relationship(s) to, well, have a career and a family — but there will always be trade-offs, and the same is true of men. To the extent that one leans into career or family, the other will suffer. If by “have it all” you simply mean “having a career and a family,” then yes, both men and women can have it all. But a flourish…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 05:21 PM
0

Building another app without this function isn’t “taking away women’s rights to make choices” — several apps with this function already exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 04:04 PM
2

I disagree there arent more assholes now than they’re used to be. From what I’ve seen, humans generally speaking have become more vicious as opposed to virtuous the last several decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 04:00 PM
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I don’t know anyone who thinks men “never have any baggage.” What the men you’re describing think and feel, I believe, is that men’s baggage doesn’t impact others’ as much as women’s tends to do. (You’re free to think and argue that’s bullshit.) Regardless, I find it interesting (and wrong) that ‘being a catch’ has anything to do with monetary wealth. That you do reveals something about what you think ‘being a catch’ means.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 03:21 PM
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Yeah, some call it “liberal” but it would be more appropriate to call it “progressive” since the mainline Leftist view is at odds with classically liberal values and policy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 03:17 PM
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It depends on how we define “worship.” I agree that most men place women on a pedestal and prioritize them over other things, but this prioritization is often accompaniments by vacillating feelings of love and hatred. But it is also true that this way of living with/for women has oscillated between subjugation and domination, being pathetic and being paternalistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 03:04 PM
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Because it has historically. The common man was never really lifted up, and now everyone’s attention is on finding and lifting women up and liberating them from social roles and expectations. But not men. It’s theoretically possible for this not to be the case, but it won’t come to fruition as long as we live in a world with fallen people who fail to engage in critical thinking and empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 02:51 PM
5

You’re epistemically lazy. Why not do your own research? (Hint: you’re not interested in changing your view through learning and growth.)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 02:46 PM
0

No, women “can’t have it all,” unless by “can have it all” you mean a life of divided attention, energy, effort, etc. A woman can have kids and a career, sure, but the degree to which she dips into one is at the sacrifice of the other — humans can’t be in two places at once; doing one thing will always come as a sacrifice. (And, in this day and age, women are going to be less and less able to ‘have it all’ in this sense because of economic and relationship woes.) No one has to tell men that they…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 02:43 PM
0

So, are you saying then that masturbation just doesn’t do it for you? I would think committing to a good guy wouldn’t be a problem in the bedroom — you can always coach him, and he’d get better. But I guess you’re not looking to be monogamous at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 03:12 PM
-1

So, would you say then that you don’t really care about men? My heart!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 03:10 PM
0

So neither you nor any of your feminist friends are not concerned at all about having to deal with RPers, pick up artists, etc.? And you’re saying that you and everyone you know is getting access to sex pretty quickly? Given 2, I think it would be rational to wonder about the intentions of characters of the guys the people you know are sleeping with. (Unless you think RPers, pick up artists, guys who use women, etc. are an extreme minority, or that people are generally good.)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 03:09 PM
5

So, you’re not going to address his point(s) then.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:33 AM
4

Does “I’m finding myself” ever not include sleeping around? In this day and age, not that I can see. I’ve had close friends who were women who said this to me and then started sleeping around — every one who’s said this to me has behaved this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:32 AM
2

Is she not an incel?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:29 AM
2

Deus vult.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:28 AM
1

One can be unhappy because of transitory life circumstances, or one can be unhappy because they refuse to change or do anything about it. To quote my mother, “Who says I don’t like being depressed?”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:27 AM
4

Because sometimes it’s the right and noble thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:24 AM
1

What do you consider “slutty?”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:23 AM
2

Boring. Read philosophy instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 04:22 AM
2

Disregarded on the basis of his age? Doesn’t seem like a justifiable reason not to consider the view. It isn’t in academic philosophy, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 03:31 AM
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No, but context leads one to have certain thoughts. That’s just what happens to everyone given their knowledge, upbringing, and experience. EDIT: Disagreeing with a basic description of human psychology isn’t going to change it or make you correct. This sub really is filled with a lot of resentful, uncharitable people. Downvoting without engaging with me? It’s pathetic. I mean, come on, are you all children here? No wonder dating and relationships are going down the drain.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/24 02:14 AM
4

Well, do you disagree with the idea that enforcing anti-discrimination law in prostitution will result in sex without consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 11:20 PM
1

That’s why I said “may not be moral, reasonable, justifiable, or practical.” It depends on a number of factors. If a man divorces his wife due to a dead bedroom because he’s communicated his problem, tried diligently to compromise, engaged in individual therapy, engaged in couple’s therapy, encouraged her to engage in therapy as well, and patiently tried to address the issue through an appropriate amount of time, he is justified in doing so. Unfortunately, it seems the majority of people do not …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 11:12 PM
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Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:46 PM
1

Okay, do you think morality is relative or objective? What ethical theory (e.g. utilitarianism, deontology, virtue theory, ethics of care, etc.) do you subscribe to? (It would be helpful to know your meta-ethical view as well.). It’s obvious that not all cases of someone ending a marriage is objectively reasonable, justifiable, or practical. Are you really claiming doing so is reasonable, justifiable, and/or practical in all cases? EDIT: Okay, so you’re not interested in having a discussion on y…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:45 PM
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What do you mean by “okay?” Based on the context and facts, ending a marriage or family for one’s own happiness may not be moral, reasonable, justifiable, or practical.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 04:27 PM
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She is a sicko. Block and move on. All you can do with the people on this sub who (1) won’t have a discussion in good faith, (2) exhibit no charity, (3) privilege their own pleasure over morality, and/or (4) are riddled with vice and mental illness, making them crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 03:06 PM
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Pretty standard for the women on this sub, because most people here suck: they have the wrong priorities, are materialistic and hedonistic, are riddled with vice and mental illness, and don’t employ critical thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 03:02 PM
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No, not always. There are at least 4 types of FGM, and only 1 or 2 of them rise to the same level of harm and invasiveness as IMC. If you haven’t checked it out, watch “American Circumcision” — the documentary is free on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 02:59 PM
1

How old are you? I find it interesting that you are “shocked” by this. Regardless, the number of such men is a minority, so don’t be too shocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 02:57 PM
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Tons of guys do. If that wasn’t the case, “I can fix him” (I.e. the archetypal story of beauty and the beast) wouldn’t be a trope.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 02:54 PM
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The words you’re using are theory-laden. So, let’s hash out the theory. You have a philosophy professor right here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 02:52 PM
1

It is, ultimately, if you’re a proponent of Eastern philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 02:50 PM
1

Beauty is not totally subjective. If it was, how could we all recognize it when we see it? Are we all just participating in a mass socially-constructed hallucination? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 02:49 PM
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I usually do. And as someone who has observations, engages in critical thinking, and notices trends, I’m going to speak about phenomena too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 02:28 PM
0

Well, it is concerning how many women form serial killer/rapist groupies, whereas men aren’t salivating for the women killers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 01:52 PM
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He’s arguing her choices put men in danger (and other women), by rewarding men with dangerous traits/tendencies through selection, rejecting those with pro-social traits, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 01:45 PM
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Let me ask you a question: do you honestly enjoy playing the role of a retarded person in this sub? I mean, everyone can tell you’re trolling, but you look so incredibly stupid. I guess it doesn’t bother you that a bunch of people who are interested in what you’re interested in find you to be sorely lacking in the intelligence department. Maybe it doesn’t bother you — who knows. All I can say is that this behavior isn’t smart, cute, or helpful. It’s kind of sickening, to be honest. I mean, what …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 01:27 PM
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This chick is just here to troll. Don’t bother. She’s aligned with her own ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 01:18 PM
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Your view is inverted: women are more likely to initiate divorce and/or leave for “silly reasons.” EDIT: Spelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 01:16 PM
2

Notice the word “or.”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 02:26 AM
5

What happened?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:02 PM
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No one. Men in general are too busy chasing women, working, raising kids, and prioritizing living up to gendered expectations to create them. And men, in general, aren’t “blaming women for having these centers.” They’re blaming people and the system for unjust distribution of care and what they perceive as deception.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:01 PM
2

You don’t think things can be closer to being objectively true than closer to being subjective taste..?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:45 PM
1

You’re the one who wrote your response to the commenter who drew a distinction between lying about one being trans and about age. And I’m not defending lying for sex. I’m saying it doesn’t rise to the level of moral evil you think it does. That you would call me “disgusting” for uncharitably putting words into my mouth really alludes to your own character — or your lack of reading comprehension. Whatever. You clearly have no desire to learn and grow though open-minded conversation. You’re not wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 03:45 PM
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Not a need for survival, no. So you must mean a psychological need whose fulfillment is required for mental health and flourishing. You don’t think sex is a psychological need?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 03:41 PM
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True. But even then most people aren’t consistent. There’s no uproar from the Left, for example, when a marginalized group claims a psychological need for being accepted in society, while there is when men claim sex is a psychological need they’re deprived of too. And the Right does this too. Some think and claim that some groups are deserving of having their physical and psychological needs met, while arguing with the same mouth that others don’t or that they’re wrong because “it’s not a need a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 03:39 PM
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False. Men do more than you’ll ever know to try to appeal to women. You just don’t see their effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 03:22 PM
2

How about as opposed to laws preventing such representation on sexed grounds? That would obviously be discrimination. Who gets elected is a function of systemic factors and individual will. Why should we assume there’s discrimination where there isn’t representation in a system where the people, not the law, decides who gets elected?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 03:20 PM
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I mean, he presented an argument. You’re free to criticize it. (I haven’t looked into it myself, so I don’t have a view on the matter.)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 03:18 PM
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They’re general psychological needs, yes, for the proper functioning of the human person. But people can go without satisfying these needs, so they’re not necessary for survival, only happiness and flourishing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 02:38 PM
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It’s necessary for affirmative claims, or else the post will get removed. I’ve had numerous posts ‘removed’ because I used the Discussion flair with a statement title (even though I wanted to have a discussion and not a debate) and because I used the Discussion flair with a title that was a question. I don’t really understand the rules, but the mods sure like to invoke them to only allow posts that conform to a certain image in their heads. Which really rubs me the wrong way in many respects, co…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 02:17 PM
2

Sex is a biological need for the preservation of the human race, though we’ve developed technology that circumvents it. Sex is not a need for any individual’s survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 03:19 AM
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I don’t agree this is true in all cases. I think one being trans is one of the things specifically that should be disclosed, but someone not telling another person their age is not immoral or shameful (assuming both are adults) — that kind of information is not really relevant to sexual dynamics in a meaningful way. And I don’t think normalizing the idea that one doesn’t have to be transparent about their age without being asked is “creating loopholes for predators.”
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 12:06 AM
1

That doesn’t mean much. People have fantasies, ones they wouldn’t act on or bring about, all the time (e.g. rape fantasies).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 08:54 PM
1

Yeah, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/24 02:46 PM
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Do you think such a woman will put in less, equal, or more effort into the relationship? What about the average woman, or most women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 11:07 PM
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True. I like your reasonable takes. Join me in leaving behind the standard pills and working towards harmony and virtue among sentient life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 10:53 PM
1

A lot of risk assessment is unconscious and instinctual. I would contrast that kind of processing with conscious, intentional processing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 10:48 PM
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And they will. This is no longer a requirement due to technological advancement, but without sex generally speaking the human race does die — there is no more men or women, just not immediately. That being (somewhat jokingly) said, yes, individual men don’t need sex to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 06:50 PM
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No. But having data and reasonable arguments strengthens your case. Do you not care about justifying your views? Or that other people do? I’m not willing to let go of that norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 05:17 PM
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No, “lying there like a fish” is not equivalent to rape. Some women (and men) are selfish and don’t want to do anything, expecting the other to get them off — that doesn’t mean they don’t consent to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 05:13 PM
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I’m finding it more and more common that people don’t, being sucked into consumptive ways of life. Do you see the same trend?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/24 02:15 PM
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Thank you. I’ll hope, but I won’t expect it. In my experience, it’s come down to people’s conceptions of love. Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem many have thought that much about it, equating love only with feeling, which I don’t think fully captures it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 02:01 PM
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Unfortunately, that’s pretty run-of-the-mill for what happens in any relationship between a half-decent guy and a non-virtuous woman: the former will give up and sacrifice anything for the latter who doesn’t appreciate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 12:15 PM
1

No, “thriving” is much more than that. I doubt anyone who’s living a promiscuous life is flourishing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 12:12 PM
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I don’t agree. Regardless, you won’t convince me of it. No woman I’ve been in relationship with in my life has ever loved harder or longer than I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 12:02 PM
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Trad wife to a good man, hands down. I was never interested in sleeping around as a man; I doubt I’d be as a woman. Combine that with the added risks of sleeping around, its corrosive effect on society and relationships, embodying the role of house-maker (which I already do as a man), and the benefits of being taken care of, not having to worry about anything, being able to freely express my emotions and show weakness, and being able to spend a lot of time with my kids, and it’s no contest. Bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 11:57 AM
3

You really don’t think women (and men) treat attractive people different morally? It’s plain as day, from what I’ve experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 11:54 AM
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Both men and women experience it, but would you say generally men and women experience it equally?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 11:52 AM
2

Everyone already knew Step 1 was “Be attractive.” Do you have no view on how easily men and women throw away their purported moral principles?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 11:51 AM
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So you agree: men and women in general suck and possess no strong moral character.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 11:50 AM
3

I’m not an RPer, so I wouldn’t say that. But would you disagree people are superior relative to others in particular domains? I mean, natural inequalities exist — some people are faster, stronger, smarter, more flexible, etc. than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 02:11 AM
1

If she’s that loving, pleasant, and attentive, providing for her would be a joy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 12:46 AM
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Wanting something better than you — isn’t that the definition of having a ‘high standard?’ (It’s a separate question whether women should or shouldn’t have them.). In any case, I look at this from a different angle. From what I can tell, most people in the western world are deficient socially, emotionally, physically, intellectually, and spiritually. Yet, at the same time, it seems most people have improper priorities, aiming for material wealth, physical pleasure, and political power over the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 07:52 PM
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Someone who engages in dialectic and learning for a living. Why do you think I’m a philosophy professor if not to encounter and think about new ideas and perspectives? Just admit it: you’re not here in good faith to learn and grow. You’re here to satisfy some desire or need you have so you feel good. Our conversation isn’t going to go anywhere, so I’m exiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 03:22 PM
0

Can you not read..?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 03:19 PM
3

And it should be common sense that some clothes lose one or more of their applications when one entered a committee, monogamous relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 03:17 PM
1

True. But your claim was an over-generalization and likely borne out of misandry. Seeing the world in that way isn’t going to lead to happiness or knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 03:15 PM
3

Do you think humans do things for no reason or from no motivation? Do you think humans do things for only one reason or from only one motivation? No, that’s not how human beings work.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 03:13 PM
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When someone continues to post thirst traps on social media and dress provocatively for male attention while in a committed relationship, that is a red flag and indicative of one or more character flaws. Men see what’s happening and know the truth: most women are not just ‘doing it for themselves,’ and the ones who think/say so are likely willfully ignorant or deceitful. The claim that someone is doing something only for themselves is laughable because it’s patently false, as if they have a comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 03:11 PM
0

It’s irrational maybe, but it’s not unjustified. People should be better. It’s not wrong to expect people to improve, only unwise to expect it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 03:07 PM
2

Still not sure whether the majority of people in this sub think men can get pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/24 12:38 PM
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False. Everyone wishes their partner would change some things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 09:47 PM
1

Well, I can speak however I want, though that doesn’t make me right 🤣 I could be wrong of course, but I’m speaking from my personal experience with the men I’ve known and know. The men in my life value their friends, but their relationships with their bros are very different from women’s with their girlies: they care about each other, but they don’t need to check in constantly, hang out, hold each others’ hands, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:44 PM
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No, they argued equality exists in particular domains of relevance. No one thinks men and women are ‘equal’ in every way. This is flaired as debate. Why aren’t you genuinely interacting with the commenters here? Seems like you don’t really care about questioning your view at all or pursuing the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:18 PM
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Your comment implied it. Don’t play dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:17 PM
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I’m not so sure. Fighting against infant male circumcision, biases in family court, and male over-representation in dangerous jobs seems to be motivated by care for men from where I’m standing. But maybe you think these MRA’s are just vengeful pricks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:16 PM
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Your comment to me implied that current affirmative action policies are justified based on the historical fact of male representation in education. Did I interpret that wrong incorrectly? Do you not believe that current affirmative action policies are just?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 05:15 PM
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True. But these weird social norms and expectations are leading to harm. So, what can we do to prevent that? What should we do, if anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 04:36 PM
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It’s impossible to equalize talent, ability, intelligence, genetics, work ethic, merit, opportunity, etc., which inform capital and socio-economic status. It’s possible to equalize capital, but not without violating people’s rights and authoritarian policy. Nor would equity merely along socio-economic lines be a good thing, nor is it desirable. Innovation, motivation, and wealth generation come from belief in a meritocratic system, which is contradictory with equity (let’s use communism as an ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:27 PM
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So you believe in rectification of what you see as historical injustice. Okay, I’ll play along. When should we stop the discrimination, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:18 PM
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It seems many people have presented you with alternatives. Are you willing to conceive now that feminism as an ideology doesn’t have a monopoly on equality and that viable social alternatives exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:16 PM
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Hell yeah, Snipes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:10 PM
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Lots of people here and out there in the world. Ironically, ‘progressives,’ for one.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:08 PM
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Do you really believe that men and women don’t get paid equally for equal work for equal amount of hours? The pay gap the way feminists have presented it was debunked long ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:08 PM
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..and enrolling them at the expense of others through discriminatory affirmative action policies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:06 PM
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No, it wasn’t done on the basis of them being women — it was done on the basis of the act being wrong, unconstitutional, etc. Let’s pretend for a moment that the progressives are right and men can have children (because gender and sex are different). These men cannot get abortions either, and if they had existed in the past they would have been able to. Ergo, it’s not discriminatory against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:05 PM
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No, because equity is not a desirable, achievable, or good result.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:02 PM
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Well, people want the same level of privileges and rights, but they don’t want the same level of responsibility and accountability for themselves. That’s the fly in the ointment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 02:02 PM
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It’s just a way to qualify one’s speech to take away its bluntness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 01:57 PM
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No. If she got the shit kicked out of her but still fought back, I’d be proud of her and nurse her wounds even if she ‘went into survival mode’ at some point. I’d be saddened she experienced that, not disappointed; I wouldn’t lose attraction for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 01:56 PM
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Sure. I buy that women are pushed to change their appearance and appear beautiful, and that this will attract a man. Would you agree that, generally, this is still true for women? And would you agree that men were told a similar story about their personalities although it has never been true to the same degree?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 01:43 PM
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This is an over-simplification. It’s not that the majority of women “know [their] value.” It’s that the majority of women perceive their value to be higher than the treatment they’re receiving. How do I know? Well, because the majority of women (in U.S. society for instance) are riddled with vice, addiction(s), and mental illness, lack a drive for self-improvement, are engaging in consumerism and hedonism, and lack many virtues. In short, the majority of women, like the majority of men, kind of …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 01:39 PM
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No, it’s not that we don’t see it. The point the guy’s making is more fundamental: women are taught to change their appearance, while men are taught to change themselves. Which would you consider more difficult? Which would you characterize as being closer to self-improvement?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 01:35 PM
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Most men don’t envy a ‘close, supportive friend group’ of people who don’t want to be with them romantically: they envy men who have a woman who is romantically involved with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 01:33 PM
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Holla.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 01:22 PM
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Lol, sure, we’re worthless. Get help.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 10:09 PM
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I think you have an image of what living “in poverty” is in your head, and it’s almost certainly not as bad as how I’m actually living. Why? Because I only buy what I need. I’m not living in filth and squalor.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 03:01 PM
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Living in poverty does not necessitate a shorter life span. It’s correlated with it because many people who live in poverty don’t have the resources they need to survive. That’s why I explained what I meant with the term “poverty”.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 02:59 PM
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No, you just refuse to understand the male perspective here. When men say they “don’t care” about a woman’s education, job, etc., they’re not saying they won’t support their partner, listen to them, go to work events, take an interest in their education, status, job, etc. What they’re actually saying is “those arbitrary things — like where you went to school, what job you work, whether you’re middle class — don’t determine your value to me; you attitude, beauty, character, and actions do, and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 02:57 PM
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There’s a difference between (1) stating preferences, (2) picking on someone, (3) trolling, (4) blowing off steam, etc. Lilith’s whole post is about how men should shut up about expressing their preferences. So the next time you see what you describe, aka yourself: “Are the men here merely describing their preferences?” If they’re not, none of what you’re discussing applies because it’s a fundamentally different thing. (You can argue that they shouldn’t do whatever they’re doing too, but that’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 02:25 PM
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You’re gonna see a lot of that from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 02:21 PM
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Because my happiness doesn’t depend on acquiring material goods, traveling, etc. and doesn’t require much money at all? By “poverty,” I’m using the economic standard in the U.S. (approximately <$16,000 income per year). Technically, I don’t live in poverty now, but I’ve been making about $20,000 per year for the last 5 years, and I’m extremely grateful and happy with my life. You seem to think happiness depends on having and using material things. I don’t. I find happiness in reading, listening …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 04:22 PM
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You’re correct that no one has a “right” to “take/use” someone else’s body, but in the vast majority of abortion cases the fetus is (1) generated through the voluntary actions of women (2) who know the potential consequences. Would you find it legal (and/or morally acceptable, because there’s a moral aspect to the debate as well) for a scientist to voluntarily use his own body parts temporarily to create a new human being in a lab who has rudimentary consciousness, who will become a person (if t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:33 PM
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You’re partly right. I agree with what you’re saying about men, but it’s a men and women’s issue for the following reasons: (1) it takes two to tango, (2) men and women’s beliefs and actions have formed the system we live in and the state of things, and (3) it affects both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:26 PM
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If by “costs” we only mean “capital,” sure. But many pro-lifers think the costs are not reducible to capital. I don’t think this debate will go anywhere really if people don’t make their metaphysical and axiological positions explicit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:23 PM
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Women already have rights. From where I’m standing, that shouldn’t be the operative question. The point of contention is whether a fetus has rights, and whether it is justifiable to violate those rights in light of women’s lives and circumstances. If one’s having a body is sufficient for the right to autonomy, then a fetus has a right to its own body. Therefore, killing it violates its right to autonomy. The fetus is, after all, a separate entity and a separate body. It’s inside the mom, sure, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:19 PM
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Science will not solve the debate. Why? Because people’s positions, whether they realize it or not, are products of unfalsifiable metaphysical claims and/or differing foundational beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:10 PM
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Sounds like someone’s mad.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:07 PM
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Those views aren’t contradictory. It could be true both that (1) prostitution can solve many of men’s problems and that (2) men don’t just want sex. So, are you upset because you have interpreted the guy’s intentions as being X, see contrary evidence, and think he’s a hypocrite, or..?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 03:04 PM
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Because I don’t care about that at all. I only care if she’s attractive, wants me, will be committed to me, and has strong moral character. Because that doesn’t matter to me. I don’t care about material things. I would happily live in poverty with my partner, though most women wouldn’t be content with that. Because, again, I don’t care about those things. But here’s another reason men don’t seek those things out: they severely limit the pool of potential partners, making dating and relationships…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:39 PM
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That may be true. I would say that people are vocal about the things they perceive in their field; many of these materialistic women are the loudest and most popular on social media, inspiring reaction. To get back to your point though, while it may be that the majority of couples are matched in this way — which is better than the alternative — my understanding includes average women and men as well. My personal belief is that most people generally are taken by consumerism, materiality, vice, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:30 PM
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Yeah, life ain’t fair, and I’m not a fan of authoritarian policy forcing people to have sex or anything. I was just pointing out a fact. Things suck in a variety of ways, and they’re not likely to get better: if I were more dramatic, I’d say ‘social collapse’ is coming down the pipe. (And depending on one’s goals, desires, and beliefs about our current system, one could say that’s a good thing.)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:24 PM
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I don’t think most people have a deep enough level of self-awareness and knowledge to have more than a basic picture (if that) of what they want and why they do what they do. For some reason, stating as much is controversial on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:11 PM
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I’ll just explain myself. I analyze because I find philosophy and inquiry intrinsically valuable. I’m going to use the words that best communicate my thoughts and ideas for the pursuit of dialectic and truth; I’m not going to self-censor to appear good — I know my value and intentions, and I don’t have much interest to engage in virtue-signaling or watch out for people’s feelings here. I won’t try to be an ass, but I can’t control how people perceive or react to me. EDIT: If that rubs y’all the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:10 PM
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I agree with the spirit of your post, but there’s also something else going on here. When I say many women should “lower their standards,” I’m not saying they should date ugly men, find contentment in being with someone who lacks moral character, or the like. When I talk about women lowering their standards, what I typically am invoking is the sad fact that many women care too much about about materiality, luxury, vacations, material goods, and the like. To put it bluntly, prioritizing acquiring…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 01:49 PM
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If someone’s reason for living is another (except, perhaps, one’s children), they have some work to do. That being said, while many are overly freaked out about birth rate for a variety of reasons, insufficient replacement birth rate is a serious socio-economic issue if we claim to care at all about future generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 01:42 PM
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I don’t think we have the same conception of “rights.” Therein lies the issue. Being legally allowed to do something is not the same thing as having a right, according to my understanding of socio-political philosophy. (I’m not sure what you mean by “sealioning.” I was attempting to engage in good faith, but if you don’t want to try to have a serious discussion about the philosophy of politics, it’s no skin off my back.)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 11:22 PM
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Comparatively with regards to inflation, business policies, and the devaluaing of our currency, yes. That is why I said that women entering the workforce contributed to it — many factors do. You are correct that increasing the supply of labor has contributed to the generation of further capital.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:10 PM
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Ah, I’m sure that’s happened too, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 06:43 PM
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Ah, yes, I would agree that being submissive — or hierarchical organization — does not have to involve ideas about superiority and inferiority. I do think there’s a difference between 1 and 2 — you’ve drawn out a helpful distinction. But I’d also say that submission can’t manifest in terms of attitude, belief, action, or some combination of them. A woman can be submissive without believing her husband is the final authority on all matters. I’m not sure many men want 1, yeah. Some definitely do, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 06:42 PM
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Because, by definition, what the woman is doing submitting. Submission is defined as “the action or fact of accepting or yielding to a superior force or to the will or authority of another person.” In this example, she’s “yielding… to the will or authority” of the man. The word is being used because that’s what’s happening. You can argue that this isn’t what men really want or what they mean when they say they want a submissive woman. Is that what you’re trying to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:28 PM
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Why is your description of what men say when they want a “submissive woman” the same as OP’s?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:25 PM
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Saying it’s “always been that way” implies that no women has ever lived submissively. That can’t be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 05:23 PM
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Yeah, that’s not an uncommon view.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:41 PM
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And many Americans think y’all have a good sense of style!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:34 PM
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Lol. Did ya need to include the snark though?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:32 PM
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Not OP, but the dismissive attitude and lack of open-mindedness the majority of women express with regards to it. Someone “exploring it” and “sharing notes” isn’t simply waving it away, endlessly shitting on it, telling others how to live and what they should want, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:31 PM
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True. The problem is that sometimes that virtuous strength and independence isn’t really there and arrogance and mean-ness are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:29 PM
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Sure, but it’s possible one could rake in cash by simply documenting their tradcon lifestyle without an eye towards metrics, seeking attention, expressing female empowerment, etc. (though I concede that isn’t how most influencers operate). Can we agree that, theoretically, there isn’t necessarily a contradiction, but practically there probably would be?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:27 PM
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Shit, as a guy I don’t feel safe walking in some places without my gun.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:24 PM
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Fashion. Women get to acceptably where all this cool and interesting stuff, providing more opportunities for personal expression. I’m socially ‘stuck’ with button-downs, suits, and slacks. I wanna wear cool shit, but it’s not worth sacrificing potentially my reputation, career, and relationships over it because of gendered norms. EDIT: Lol downvotes, really? It’s pathetic. Who shat in your cereal this morning?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:22 PM
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Wish we saw more debates on this sub of the value of the pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:04 PM
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That, and allowing women into the workforce, certainly contributed to it. Whether or not the equalization of rights and opportunities has been a net positive is a separate question. EDIT: The fact that you downvote without engaging shows how captured you are by emotion, unwilling (or unable?) to objectively assess argument and reasoning. It is empirically true that women entering the workforce has contributed to declining wages and increased price of goods and services. This is basic economic th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:01 PM
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Well, how would you define a “tradwife?” While I understand the philosophical point you’re making, I wouldn’t think being a professional influencer is meaningfully incompatible with tradcon life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 03:46 PM
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Well it may not be useful here, but personally I find reading this stuff to be fascinating and useful generally 🤣 If you like lectures and videos, Drs. Darren Staloff and Michael Sugrue are great, or you could try to read the difficult primary materials (e.g. Plato, Aquinas, Descartes, Berkeley, Spinoza, etc.). Have a good day, Result!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 03:37 PM
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Why would women being more selective be evidence for them valuing sex more? It would seem the opposite is the case: if they valued sex as much as men, whether that valuation is conscious or unconscious, they’d be pursuing it as doggedly as men do, which may include ‘getting with’ whomever they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 03:34 PM
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Yeah, I’m not reading the outputs of a dead AI over engaging in dialectic with a living, spirited being with unique subjectivity. What do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 03:33 PM
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OP hasn’t given any indication he doesn’t know what it means. Why would you think that? (I’m not even sure I agree with him, but that doesn’t matter.) His claim is that empirically there is more evidence to suggest that women think and act the way he describes. Based on your reply, I take it you disagree with this claim. And your evidence is that people fall in love. But this evidence doesn’t disprove OP’s point. Falling in love is not incompatible with women’s general behavior, and the existenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 03:30 PM
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One example is the higher cost of goods.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 03:01 PM
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What’s your definition of “sexist?” Based on your logic, it would be sexist against both men and women, though for different reasons. Nevertheless, it being sexist does not necessitate that it’s immoral or impractical. In addition, rule is not unjustly discriminatory as you imply because it doesn’t just apply to women: the rule places certain constrains on men and women’s actions, protecting both. Regardless of all this though, it’s not “sexist” to treat other people with caution. If this rule w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:52 PM
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Thank you! I think it would improve things as well, but as it stands right now we all kind of have the ‘deck stacked against us’ due to our upbringings, educational system, economic incentives, technological landscape, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:45 PM
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What rights do you think women don’t have in the West compared to men? I can’t see any discrepancy in the U.S., for instance.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:42 PM
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Gender roles also correlate though with the incredible success and flourishing of humans that we’ve had, making possible and actual our current way of life, etc. It’s not that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:41 PM
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You may not know the terminology, but you could discover and explain your metaphysical views — I’d bet money on it..! (E.g. do you think the human being is merely a composite of matter, a combination of distinct physical and mental substances, or something else?) I’ve had posts removed for not being “relevant” to dating and relationships, but if my philosophy education and professorial experience has taught me anything it’s that these are directly influenced by the topics OP mentions. It sucks t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:40 PM
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It’s that many men perceive the story as continuing to lie, which they obviously don’t think is cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:37 PM
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Oh, you mean like #AllMen?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:40 AM
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And what is the main point here..? I just see a lot of rambling and ranting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:39 AM
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I don’t know why you continually misrepresent the main point(s) of people who respond to you, but now I’m starting to think you just don’t know how to read very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:38 AM
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I suppose because the U.S. has been a major international superpower for awhile (though we are in the decadent late empire stage), still commands an incredible amount of socio-economic power, and thus installs a leader every four years who has a great deal of influence on the planet?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:35 AM
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Yeah, unfortunately. I can’t get anyone to have a good-faith discussion about the presuppositions that underlie their worldviews (e.g. metaphysics, epistemology, axiology, etc.), but these topics are more mainstream and accessible so there may be more luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:28 AM
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No, being emotional has been seen as a negative ever since the origins of philosophy, not only because “men used to reduce it to women.” Men and women weaponize emotions for gendered and non-gendered reasons (e.g. rhetoric).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 01:42 AM
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We continue to discuss these issues, improve education and parenting, and provide incentives for the cultivation of virtue. The fact of the matter is that most people kind of suck. Men and women need to improve themselves socially, morally, rationally, emotionally, physically, and spiritually. Only widespread change will be brought about through the self-caused transformation of a sufficient number of individuals; top-down policies will not work long-term. More concretely, what this looks like i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 10:13 PM
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You can’t expect many reasonable, justified, or good-faith contributions on this sub, for too many are possessed by ideology, conditioning, and/or emotionality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 02:12 PM
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I agree with the spirit of your post. But, all things considered, it doesn’t change the facts that (1) some people internalize a victim mentality while others do not, (2) everyone is a victim in some way, or that (3) the concept of victimization is weaponized by people. The real problem seems to lie in the intersection of these facts. It is not possible to create a victim-less world, so existing harmoniously with others requires reckoning with victim mentality in self and other for the growth of…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 12:33 PM
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It never was a “right” within the context of the inalienable rights outlined and guaranteed in the U.S. in the field of socio-political theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:48 PM
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If “feminism” means “equal treatment under the law and equalizing opportunity for men and women, including liberating both from gender roles and expectations,” then I’m a feminist. But this is not what feminism often means in practice, nor do many self-proclaimed feminists advocate for equal rights and opportunities for men and women. Nowadays, unfortunately, “feminism” often means “liberating women from shame and gendered roles while giving them advantages over men to make up for historical inj…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:46 PM
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.#BelieveAllWomen #AllMen
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 09:57 PM
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There’s nothing wrong with the word, just how people use it and what they mean by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 04:13 PM
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Good to know you’re not here to address arguments or have a good-faith discussion. Noted.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 04:12 PM
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For a lot of women, yeah, they’d rather go for the dildo or other sex you than send a booty call text. Are you drying women don’t have casual sex..?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 04:11 PM
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No, you’d screw him lol. (Unless you weren’t into him.)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 04:10 PM
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Correct. The censorship is pretty lopsided and overbearing, people here do not practice open-mindedness, critical thinking, or charity, and no real discourse is had, only masturbatory emotional and intellectual gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 04:09 PM
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You think it’s weird that a man who has a daughter and knows what some men can be like warns his daughter and tries to vet his daughter’s love interests? What..? You’re right that it’s not hard for an average or above average woman to get a relationship. The question is whether such relationships are worth it and whether the guy will stick around. Some men do have problem committing, and some women do too, but the primary issue facing relationships today is the fact that most people kind of suck…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 04:00 PM
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Sure it does. People have standards for different things, including themselves, depending on what they want. If one understands what men want and human psychology in general, it makes a lot of sense. Perhaps you mean to argue it’s not reasonable or justified? In any case, it can be true simultaneously that women ‘are easy’ and ‘have too high of standards.’ Why? Because, like men, the standard a man needs to meet is different depending on what the woman is looking for. Some men don’t have to clea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:50 AM
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So, someone who crosses (at least a few, let’s say) boundaries no matter what kind of boundaries they are is a “creep?” Interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:49 AM
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Do you think the majority of women aren’t having casual sex and/or dating at least two people at the same time if they’re ‘single?’
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:46 AM
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“Blame” is not a word that is extremely precise. (Shit, few words are used in a way in which they only have one definition.) People use words messily. In any case, OP is still arguing that blaming the victim is sometimes justifiable even under this definition. Why? Because he’s saying that it’s appropriate to “assign responsibility of a fault or wrong” to people who should have known better and did the dumb thing anyway. He’s arguing their actions played a causal role in what happened to them. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:42 AM
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True. There’s a difference between getting bamboozled and knowing what you’re signing up for.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:39 AM
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If you think that people don’t change as a result of ‘tough love,’ all I can say is that you’re wrong. Many people are narcissistic enough to refuse entertaining the possibility that their actions play any role in what happens to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:37 AM
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Way to deflect and not engage at all. “Wah you’re stupid and mean.” Give me a break.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:32 AM
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Disagree. Enabling in this situation would be harmful. If showing her ‘tough love’ gets her out of the abusive relationship, it’s helped her.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:32 AM
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Lol you just didn’t like his response, so you rejected it. Try engaging with the people you respond to next time. Next.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:24 AM
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You know the answer: men don’t like it when women are easy for other guys — they want a woman or women to be easy for them. It’s not hard to figure out. Men, like women, want to be the object of their object of desire’s attention. They want to be wanted and desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:23 AM
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What does any of that have to do with the argument and its veracity..?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 03:52 AM
2

I agree that strong women are having children. But strength comes in many forms and is compatible with a wide range of values. We’ll see how it all shakes out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 03:50 AM
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And what would that have to do with the logic of the post at all? Are you just fishing for some entertainment, or..?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 03:49 AM
4

Strong-willed people will always be born. The question is who society will become more filled with and whether the resulting culture produces more submissiveness or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 03:31 AM
5

Opportunity is still advantage. The average man doesn’t have the same access to sex. If one disagrees, feel free to expound upon your own conception of “advantage.”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 02:43 AM
3

I agree with you that people may not have the best reading on libido. But I don’t think people can mistake whether they’re having sex or not. If sex isn’t happening in a relationship in which it was present before, something troublesome is going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 11:31 PM
3

This is an anonymous online sub. If women can’t be honest here, that says more about them than disgruntled men getting upset at what they perceive, yet again, to be lies.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 11:29 PM
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Sigh. So, it was ‘men’s’ fault, huh? Am I included in that group, when I didn’t exist yet? Did no women support and encourage the practice? Were these girls forced at sword point to do this? I just… I understand what you mean to say, but even then this rhetoric needs to die because it’s not helpful or serving anyone. Very few things are ‘men’s’ or ‘women’s’ faults because the causes of our ills are the products of an uncountable number of forces which include our own wills as well. Society would…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:59 PM
1

Dude, don’t bother with her. I’ve had numerous arguments with her and it’s always ad hominems and/or non sequiturs. She either doesn’t get it on purpose or can’t get it; there’s no talking to someone who is like the former or the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 07:40 PM
1

She hates men and cannot even entertain the possibility she could be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 07:38 PM
1

So, you want somebody else to do the work for you, and when they say they won’t, you think it’s acceptable to believe they’re lying? Lilith, you will never not amaze me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 07:36 PM
2

“Being bored talking to a guy is the worst feeling ever?” Jesus Christ. Well, this helps me understand you better at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:08 PM
3

True. But men in general also (1) desire women more and (2) are willing to put up with more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 04:05 PM
3

I agree. But can cultural conditioning override men’s inherently stronger desire for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:10 PM
1

They were shooting their shot too 💪
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:10 PM
2

Contra points is cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:50 PM
1

Everyone should seek to justify their own views and attitudes. This is a basic epistemic norm. I’m not entitled to anyone, and no one else is either. In any case, the fact is that many people uphold standards they’re not ‘deserving’ of evaluating others against, men and women, because they do not have the appropriate value. (Does this mean we should establish authoritarian rules to achieve an equilibrium in value and bond? No. That’s a separate conversation.)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:48 PM
1

Value.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:47 PM
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How would you define “collapse?” Let’s say ‘the West’ is a thing, and that it was formed around certain principles, norms, traditions, philosophical views, behaviors, etc. I would argue that the West is collapsing because a sufficient number of things have changed, are dissolving, or will be eroded soon. Do you not think the following trends point to collapse? The collapse of family formation and replacement birthrate. Disappearing social trust among people. Declining social cohesion. The disapp…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:43 PM
3

Same, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:53 AM
3

I wish my partner would touch me more, initiate sex more, actually offer to grab things for me now and then, surprise me with a date or gift, put effort into her text communications. She’ll never find or read this though, and I’m not expecting much to change. That’s just life. You can only communicate so much, and people generally only change if they are forced to. Romance doesn’t need to include grand gestures. It’s the thought and effort that counts for me. That thought and effort would move m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:53 AM
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My observations and research have led me to believe the following: 1. Women in general score higher in trait neuroticism than men, more prone to negative emotion and more often than men. 2. Women in general have higher standards than men, leading to many of them feeling that their expectations aren’t being met and/or they’re not being fulfilled by the relationship compared to men. 3. Similarly, men in general are willing to ‘put up with’ more than women due to men’s stronger desire or need for w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:42 AM
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Many men do have value, but some women don’t see it because they have fucked up priorities (e.g. feeling ‘in love’ forever, materiality, consumerism, hedonism, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:41 AM
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People’s judgments and views change, yes. But the value a person has is not changed by these subjective changes in humans’ minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 04:28 PM
0

I didn’t say we should try to control it from the top-down. “Angling for some Foucaldian Bio-Power so that [I] can get my dick wet?” Lol, do you assume to know the lives and characters of everyone you speak to? You’re really great at jumping to conclusions, huh? You couldn’t be more off the mark. I think there’s something seriously wrong with you — or maybe you’re just having a bad day. Regardless, it’s obvious you have no desire to engage in good-faith conversation. I hope you find some peace a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 04:04 PM
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Yes. And the average woman has higher standards. This doesn’t mean that these standards are reasonable or justified though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 03:56 PM
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Well, not doing something about our low replacement birthrate in the U.S. is not a good idea. We’re staring down the barrel of real socio-economic issues because of the nature of dating and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 03:52 PM
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You imply here attraction is something people have control over. Both the men and women here will tell you that you’re wrong, and you are — people cannot control who they are attracted to immediately. Nevertheless, attraction is not completely outside of our control. Insofar as someone’s attraction is the function of their incorrect or ‘bad’ views, beliefs, desires, etc., it can be justifiably said that people are engaged in a moral failing by doing nothing about their harmful desires and contri…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 02:35 PM
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You can’t have that many kids without choosing to do so, unless you’re really arguing this woman was raped every time. You can argue that the choice was coerced, but it’s still voluntary. (You could even argue, then, that this person shouldn’t be held morally responsible due to that coercion, and I would agree with you.) There’s much more here than you are willing to interrogate or admit because that would shatter your view and plans.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 02:13 PM
1

If we buy into the terms and concepts of progressivism and actually follow them to their logical conclusion, almost everyone is oppressing almost everyone, since systemic structures have been out in place and concretized by society which bestow upon individuals unfair advantages and disadvantages (i.e. ‘privileges’ and ‘oppressions’) which are unjust and are inherently tied to protected characteristics. The only ones who have the power and control to dismantle and change these structures are tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 02:10 PM
1

Come on, use your own words.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 02:07 PM
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Some posters here will. If you’re new, get out while you still can — before this place sucks you in and compels you to compete in the game of ‘gratify yourself, cultivate confirmation bias, and be cruel to others.’ There is little open-mindedness or charity here, and perhaps even less of a desire to learn and grow.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 02:05 PM
0

So? The person deleted their comment, but can I assume they found and showed you an example? And your response was “well IM not seeing it.” So? That means it doesn’t exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 02:02 PM
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Everyone should be trying to treat their partner well every day. And “wellness” is not equivalent to “princess treatment.” If I’m being a good partner, sometimes that means supporting and coddling my partner, because that’s what’s good for them at that time. Sometimes, however, being a good partner means showing ‘tough love,’ withholding complete validations your partner’s views and actions, doing what’s good for them as opposed to doing what’s nice for them. In essence, in a good, healthy relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 01:59 PM
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No, I reject your presumption that “high value is desired, wanted, benefiting qualities.” Value is not determined by the empirical facts of what is desired most, nor is it determined by human perception. Value exists objectively, independent of any human perception and existence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 01:48 PM
1

I think you’d be surprised then how many “adults in real relationships” actually exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 01:44 PM
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Lilith, you gotta think harder before posting. The way stories are written and who consumes them can tell you a lot about people. You know that and are being intentionally dense, or if you don’t you shouldn’t be expressing your views at all and learning about reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 07:11 PM
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If you don’t think humor and the hero’s journey is a real archetypical way humans confront reality, I don’t know what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 07:10 PM
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Yeah, some women put a lot of effort in. Some men do. Some women don’t, and some men don’t. I’m not sure what this is trying to show. Effort is deserving of certain treatment?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:45 PM
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Oh, the ick exists; it’s just a product of messed up consciousness though in many instances.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:30 PM
1

There’s a difference between making descriptive claims and making prescriptive claims. Also, there’s nothing wrong with laying out the facts or making judgments. We can’t avoid the latter — it’s how we perceive and act in the world. And people can say whatever they want. (Doesn’t make them more noble, correct, or praiseworthy though.) Sounds like you believe expressing judgments that are critical of others is wrong..?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:29 PM
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Deus vult, brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:27 PM
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I would agree with you on “unremarkable,” but that’s not a male-only problem. Most people nowadays are unremarkable consumerist hedonists with improper values, vices, and lack of maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:25 PM
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Do you think, then, that having the proper priorities involves aiming at transcendent things, what is True, Good, and Beautiful, rather than pursuing earthly things? What are “proper” priorities and values to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:24 PM
1

Many women are children, because many people are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:23 PM
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If you’re going to represent the traditionalist Christian conception of marriage, at least don’t provide a strawman. I’m not one of these, and even I know Christians don’t think men are “superior” to women. They are called to be the ”heads” of the marriage and home; there’s a difference. And Christians believe that all people should serve others — that’s the whole reason why Christ came.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:21 PM
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So you think people are entitled or owed the economic fruits of their spouse when they get married? How do you justify that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:11 PM
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Nor would they admit that such marriages could be happier than ones now and that some were. It would be funny to me if it wasn’t so ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:53 PM
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So are you never telling the spouse you know their partner is cheating on them? Don’t you think they’d wanna know?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:37 PM
1

Oof, been through something like this before?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:37 PM
1

What about omissions? Say, for example, I hit it off with a gal, things progress, we’re back at her place, and I undress her to find the result of a vagioplasty. “Oh, I just assumed you knew I was trans.”
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:34 PM
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Good points all around — and no empty use of rhetoric? It’s glorious.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:29 PM
1

Actually? Gen Z is all about it, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:26 PM
3

I like to bust out my Book of Zingers now and then too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:26 PM
1

But men can adopt to. Or are you speaking merely about biological children?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:24 PM
0

Everyone out here tryna play on easy mode. You gotta loathe yourself — that’s a life of real challenge 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:23 PM
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Alright, so is it pathetic. Is his analysis of contemporary relationships incorrect though? That’s the interesting part.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:22 PM
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For one who lacks moral character and a drive to truth, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:20 PM
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Look, I don’t think this guy is cool or a role model. But isn’t it telling that your comment, which responds to none of the content in the post, is at the top? Y’all here at PurplePillDebate aren’t really interested in sharing perspectives, critiquing them, engaging in good-faith conversation, and learning, are you? Nah. Day in and day out it’s ad hominem this, non sequitur that, deflection this, whiny emotional appeal that. I’m not mad at you personally, but I can’t help but feel I’m getting ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:20 PM
2

Apparently if you’re holding yourself to a specific diet or are invested in cryptocurrencies you’re fucked up too. Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:00 PM
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It’s incredible to me the things women care about. So it’s a ‘no’ from you if a guy is invested in cryptocurrencies, reads a lot, has a specific diet, and/or uses Reddit? Any and only one of these? Look, if you can maintain those things and find the person of your dreams, I’m happy for you. Go for it. I personally find these being dealbreakers for as ridiculous and/or expressing a lack of character.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 01:59 PM
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In order to justifiably make the claim that “overall the things that give women the ick are actually reasonable,” you’d have to provide an analysis of (1) what gives women the ick, (2) an explanation of which of these are reasonable and which are not, and (3) why. I’ve heard that some things give women the ick are sensical; I’ve also heard that some things that give women the ick are ridiculous. I can only take your word if I assume you have sifted through all of these and have a reasonable stan…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 01:53 PM
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Tik Tok isn’t happening in some fake reality — it’s part of our shared reality, and it has an impact on what happens IRL. Of course, that doesn’t mean all views expressed on the app are generally representative of IRL views, but there’s a casual, non-trivial relationship. What is uploaded on there leaks out into ‘the real world.’
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 10:53 PM
0

How do you set up a custom flair?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 10:51 PM
0

There’s any empathy gap wherever the empathy of the two parties is not equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 10:50 PM
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They’re not obligated to, but such women shouldn’t expect stable men unless they are stable, at least according to an ‘equal’ standard. I don’t think I know a single woman without mental illness(es), but they don’t have a problem dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 10:50 PM
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Women want ‘stable,’ healthy men. If a man isn’t going to therapy and he should, he ain’t right, and if a man is going to therapy but hasn’t finished, he ain’t right. That’s the gist. It’s amusing to me, given that the vast majority of people, I believe, need therapeutic help. Signed, —A person who also needs therapeutic help but can mask it extremely well and is functional
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 10:31 PM
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Yes, why not? She would be only unattractive if she was, well, unattractive, and/or closed-minded, arrogant, bitchy, mean, unwilling to have sex some day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 10:21 PM
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None of what happens happens in a vacuum. Society is the way it is because of individuals’ attitudes, beliefs, and actions. Is it my responsibility for the way my life turns out? Yes. Is it my fault? Partly. No, I’m not complaining or whining. That is just the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 05:24 PM
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No. I’d help whomever I can if I think I have the knowledge and skills to do more good than harm. If I don’t help, it’s because I recognize my value (or lack thereof, really) and allow someone who does have the skills and knowledge I don’t have to make a positive difference. More specifically: 1. I’d lift the weight off them. 2. I’d try to hold the door. 3. I’ve only done this a few times, and my memory isn’t great. But if I wasn’t in a hurry, I’d stop and try to help or, if that fails, call for…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 02:19 PM
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No, he’s saying other people say that to shame men. And he’s not wrong. Honestly, it was a mistake to do away with shaming. Bring back shaming!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 02:02 PM
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Some funny shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 02:01 PM
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I’ll talk about religious pluralism, Eastern and western philosophy, theology all day — just hit me up. (I am in a relationship though.)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 01:44 PM
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Interesting given how brash you are online. Maybe you’d do just fine in them now..!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 01:42 PM
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More honestly and earnestly set themselves up for success in dating and relationships and economically speaking? Most young people just like to fuck around. Which is fine — that’s what I did. But there are consequences to every action.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 01:39 PM
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I don’t think the majority of guys care about class. It’s just that the things they do care about tend to be associated with class. They want someone who is attractive, who will fit them well, who can hang. For example, I want someone I can have philosophical conversations with. That’s associated with getting a degree, but it’s not necessary at all: if I could find a kind, generous, poverty-class cutie who’s simply willing to try to have deep conversations, I’d be over the moon and snatch her up…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 01:37 PM
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It doesn’t seem like you’re really in tune with your divine feminine right now. You know, babe, you’ll never attract a high value provider man in touch with his divine masculine — his kingly warrior-father spirit — if you act like this 🙄 (Honestly, I don’t hate the symbolic language, but the grift is tiresome.)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 11:04 PM
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I’ve heard him complain about single parenthood but not the moms themselves much.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:31 PM
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I agree he’s worded this to generate maximum effect. But I think he would disagree that you can’t sacrifice things you don’t want. In fact, I wouldn’t agree either. I don’t particularly want or value my nails, but I have no problem “sacrificing” them (cutting them) to please my partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:30 PM
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A child is defined as “a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.” The fetus certainly isn’t another species — it’s human. Sacrifice can be defined as “an act of giving up something valued for the sake of something else regarded as more important or worthy.” The mother is giving up the unwanted fetus for something she perceives as kore valuable. The definitions of “child sacrifice” and “ritual” are contained in the OP. He doesn’t believe these women are sacr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:27 PM
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It’s not wrong because it’s archaic. I think he would just say murder is wrong, and that the ends don’t justify the means. He would agree that the people having sex and one of them getting pregnant is irresponsible. And if I can speak for him, he’d likely argue killing the resulting fetus is wrong and perhaps even more irresponsible than giving it a shot at life. Lol okay, I’ll let him know. Is that an essay? I think I read Thomas Nagel’s discussion of it. I suppose you don’t think there are thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:23 PM
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That seems to be what he’s presuming. I don’t think he’s entirely wrong in that sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:20 PM
0

Neither can my gut microbiome, but those bacteria are alive, aren’t they?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:19 PM
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Interesting question.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:18 PM
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Your comment represents well what I think his attitude would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:17 PM
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His argument is that “most abortions constitute child sacrifice.” Are you saying he’s wrong that most abortions don’t involve killing the fetus?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:16 PM
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No, he doesn’t believe that. “Child sacrifice” includes in his definition that it’s done “for in-group loyalty and for a desired result.” He thinks that desired result often is “freedom” or “autonomy” in service to feminist solidarity. Basically, he thinks that the majority unborn children are being intentionally sacrificed — I know he doesn’t think the majority of people worship Baal or whatever. But he is Christian, and he would say that the murdering of something with a soul (which he conside…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:07 PM
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I’ll repeat what I said here in another comment: he thinks everyone has some ‘god’ they worship, whether it’s directed at a named deity, freedom, money, or the self — whatever our life is oriented around, I guess. He does have an expanded definition for “ritual” for sure. I don’t think most people would agree with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:06 PM
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He’s said something like this to me before actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:04 PM
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I know for a fact that he thinks everyone worships something functionally — it just might not be a deity. He was watching Jordan Peterson for awhile, and I remember him telling me that ‘every person has a god they bow to.’ He seems to be saying in this argument that got a lot of women that god is ‘autonomy’ or ‘the self’ or something. I think he would agree with you that pregnancy has costs, but the sense I get is that he doesn’t agree with the reasons or aims of most of them nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:03 PM
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Wait, so do you agree with his argument..?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 10:00 PM
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I didn’t say I believed it. I said I could respond that way to him, because I’m not sure if he thinks all abortions are immoral or not. He might concede that if it’s between the woman and the child, it is justifiable to save the woman. This could be flawed logically for him — I’m not sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:59 PM
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What do you think the best argument against his is?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:58 PM
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I think he would concede the removal of appendix is ritualistic, just not religious. And I think he would also concede that amputating an arm to save the person is also a sacrifice. That’s my sense at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:57 PM
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He didn’t define sacrifice for me, but I don’t think he’s relying on a weird one. I mean, when my partner is having a bad day, I sacrifice my time and energy to make her feel better — functionally, it’s giving up one thing for another, a perceived good. Do you disagree that the women getting these abortions are sacrificing the fetus for something else (e.g. to live the life they want to)?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:54 PM
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I like arguing with him, and he prides himself on his intelligence. It would be fun to have some good counterarguments when I speak to him next.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:52 PM
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Any good reasoning or argument you can provide that I can show him? Do you disagree with his definitions?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:51 PM
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I don’t think he would argue those archaic examples are justified: his argument seems to turn on presuming they’re evil and likening contemporary abortion to them. He’s rather deontological in his ethics.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:51 PM
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So you don’t think the fetus is alive or a child? Interesting disagreements.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:49 PM
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I’ll send it along with the link to this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:48 PM
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Yeah I don’t think it’s being alive that makes one a person — I think he would say the soul is what makes one a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:47 PM
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Well, the definition of a child is “a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority.” He would say that an unborn fetus is a child, just an unborn one. But, like you, not everyone agrees with this usage. His conception of “ritual” is broader than many. I’m not sure I agree with his definition, but he says many practices as ritualistic (e.g. family dinners, worship, meeting someone, how students act in class, etc.). The definition of “child sacrifice” includes “for…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:46 PM
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Interesting question. He might actually agree with that. In general, he finds single parenthood abhorrent in the sense that one of the parents is trying to dodge their duty.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:42 PM
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Do you know what percentage do? I don’t think he would have a problem with removing dead tissue — it’s the intentional killing he thinks is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:41 PM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:35 PM
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Maybe. I believe he would be amenable to rare and life-threatening exceptions though based on our past conversations, but I’m not entirely confident on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:35 PM
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She is a human being, but her body doesn’t have agency. She has agency over (some of) her body. She as an agent also has intentionality. He thinks that humans beings have souls, including fetuses. He would regard an abortion as a murderous sin which due to the way it’s done nowadays constitutes child sacrifice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:34 PM
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I know exactly what he would say in response: “In some places, they do — for example, when someone kills an expecting mother and they’re charged with killing two lives.” So the law is inconsistent, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:27 PM
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Let’s say you’re right that the reasons he provided are wrong. (I don’t know why all women do what they do, and neither does he.). These majority of abortions are still elective, aren’t they? And they’re being done for a certain desired result. So, regardless of the reason, they would still constitute “child sacrifice” on his view.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:27 PM
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I’m not sure what he thinks, but I’m guessing he would say no because of the same reason I would: agents have intentionality, not mere bodies. The body is not an agent; the human being is. Bodily processes, especially involuntary ones, are not agentic or intentional.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:25 PM
-1

So, I could say even if I accept his argument, there are morally-justifiable exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:20 PM
1

Parasites fit the biological definition of “alive,” don’t they? I don’t think he’d be swayed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:20 PM
1

I didn’t ask him about miscarriages, but I doubt he would think so because they’re not intentional.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:19 PM
1

If female attention isn’t special, why are we men trying to cultivate it at all? The vast majority of men care about it and want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 09:01 PM
2

What do you even think constitutes “evidence?” I doubt you even have a method or principle by which to adjudicate between phenomena that may or may not be evidence. Or do you, and would you actually like to have a philosophical conversation about truth conditions, epistemic justifiability, etc.? If not, keep spouting off like you know something but don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 08:56 PM
1

I understand the censorship for reasons of self-preservation, but I do not agree with censorship in general or on this sub specifically. If we can’t talk about everything, we cannot generate a maximally-informed view. Crazies will come, sure, but who gives a shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 08:50 PM
5

So do you disagree with OP? I find comments that constitute value judgments about the content rather than engaging with the content so funny. Like, babe, no one cares what you feel. What are you doing. Is it right or wrong, and why.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 08:16 PM
1

You have loads of guys here telling you they’d help regardless of who this person was. If that’s the human response, it’s not related to sex and gender dynamics, begging the question what you’re fishing for. I personally don’t care — you can post about whatever you want, and it’s no skin off my back —, but I’m disgruntled that hypothetical thought experiments from women are being passed over compared to genuine deep-dives into the human condition and gender dynamics from men. (That has been my e…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 04:29 PM
1

Good. It’ll save you some negative feelings lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 04:25 PM
7

Genuine open-ness, which is associated often with curiosity, kindness, and humility. Being argumentative, catty, arrogant, closed-minded, etc. is a huge turn-off.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 04:23 PM
7

Welcome to the club. In my experience, if the mods see a male trying to post something, the alarm bells go off.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 04:21 PM
6

Option 1 with Woman A, totally. I can get by without having sex. (Most men are not sex-crazed fiends — they’re attention starved, an important difference.) Option 2 with Woman B sounds like hell on Earth. She sounds immature, entitled, aggressive, and mean. She would lead me to consider (though likely not commit) suicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 04:20 PM
1

I think some men would. If they don’t have any guarantee there will be a ‘next meal,’ they’ll squeeze that lemon for all its juice (if you don’t mind mixed analogies).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 03:03 PM
2

I don’t think most people are working on themselves to “become the best version for themselves.” If that were the case, people would be different (I.e. better). But that’s the society we live in. It ain’t perfect. As my buddy, high off his ass once told me, “The only way out is through.”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 03:01 PM
2

Amen. Unfortunately, in our consumerist technological landscape with poor parenting and education, many are not conditioned to internalize such values. Instead, hedonism, convenience, pleasure, and projection saturate society.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:59 PM
0

See, I can understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t see many of the things touted as “self-improvement” as self-improvement. The magazines will tell you to eat different things, maybe work out a bit, what good makeup looks like, what to try in bed, and how to dress well. But real self-improvement is about improving one’s character, skills, and capacities. Anyone can go get their makeup done, eat less, not screw someone, go for a run, or try something new in bed. It’s harder to improve yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:54 PM
1

People can read between the lines. Whether you intended to design the thought experiment in that way or not is irrelevant. Everyone here reads into posts, makes assumptions about people’s chapters, etc. In sum, get used to the cruelty and lack of charity here; most are not here to learn, grow, expand their consciousness, or engage in good-faith discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:33 PM
3

I’d also like to add that I find it incredible that this post, which has no obvious connection to dating or relationships, got accepted while others are not allowed to go through for “circlejerking.”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:31 PM
1

Obviously, I would help them, whether it’s a man or a woman, fit or fat, young or old. None of that matters. What are you trying to discern or ‘prove’ here through this thought experiment..?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:29 PM
3

Well, you said that the fact that over 90% of men watch porn constitutes “one of the big reasons [you] lost interest in dating.” Most people would read that as you have a certain view about porn or consumption of it that is not being reflected by potential romantic partners (e.g. that so many men watch porn disgusts you, perhaps). What did you mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:27 PM
2

So you wouldn’t consider falling in love with another person through extended conversation and vulnerability ‘emotional cheating?’
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:23 PM
0

This does happen, but other situations also happen which influence guys to turn to porn (e.g. she no longer initiates and rejects the man when he does). Obviously, there’s a problem there in that relationship, but it may or may not be the man’s fault or responsibility to fix it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:21 PM
3

Anyone can set up any boundary, regardless of whether you think it is reasonable or not. Just because you think it’s “controlling” or “abusive” doesn’t mean it is, especially if it is clearly laid out as a condition for relationship early on and explicitly. If they agree to it and it gets violated, a transgression has taken place due to the voluntary nature of social contracts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:14 PM
3

She could probably say nothing that would save the relationship, unless she was coerced and/or exploited. Dating is not hard enough for me personally, nor is it desirable enough, for me to want to keep her after such a betrayal. I’d rather try to find luck elsewhere and, if that doesn’t work out, pursue the other path most desirable to me: a self-sufficient, solitudinal-hermit life away from others.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 01:15 PM
0

Yeah, people can do whatever they want. But let’s be honest: a guy who did this would be called a loser, and no one is calling a woman a loser who’s working a dead-end job and dildoing herself at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 01:18 AM
40

The scenarios aren’t made up. If you haven’t seen them, you’re blind or willfully ignorant. Yes, there is always context that could be added. So, in light of that, do you not think that women aren’t held to the same standard(s) as men in these regards?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 01:16 AM
3

Because men would actually leverage the court system to produce just results, yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 09:38 PM
4

All of my girlfriends have belched and farted around me. That’s not “masculine” — that’s being a normal human being living in community with other(s).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 07:23 PM
10

Somewhat correct. They want someone who wants them sexually and will show it, but most men don’t want a woman who is extremely shy, deferring, can’t make up her mind or a decision, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 07:22 PM
1

False. “Out of shape” means you’re not conditioned for exercise or activity. An attractive person could be skinny and out of shape, and a fat unattractive person could outlast them in exercise. You just think they’re opposites because often skinniness is associated with being in shape which is associated with being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 07:18 PM
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The ability to choose it is still an advantage though. Wouldn’t you say having the ability and resources for a white kid to score coke and do it is an advantage over the poor person who doesn’t have access to it? You should at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 01:42 PM
-4

He’s trying to make a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 01:26 PM
1

I don’t have to because I’m always right, obviously!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 12:05 AM
1

Lol, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 12:05 AM
3

But having kids is a choice, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 12:04 AM
1

The sky has always been falling.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 12:03 AM
2

The fun thing about conspiracy theories is that they often claim lack of evidence to be evidence of the conspiracy — “obviously a cover-up!” (And the other funny thing is some of them are indeed true.)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 12:00 AM
0

Gotta get my entertainment somehow 🍿 too expensive to go to the movies nowadays
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:51 PM
12

You said she was “in the right.” That’s not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:44 PM
24

No, she’s not “in the right.” He should have seen it coming, but that doesn’t make her behavior good, right, cool, or praiseworthy. She’s still a gold digger. Just because someone tells you they’re a shitty person doesn’t mean that what they do to you is fine or okay, even though the guy was being retarded marrying her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 11:35 PM
3

No, I wouldn’t be or act like a player. I wouldn’t sleep with multiple women, have a harem, or “date every single type of girl.” I would hope to find a cute girl that desires me, wants to build a lifelong relationship, get married, and have kids, who is open-minded, curious, monogamous, mature, kind, honest, and willing to work through things. The rest doesn’t matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:01 PM
8

This is what I find amusing about posts like this: they never take stock of the costs and benefits of such socio-economic changes. As Thomas Sowell has said, there are no solutions — only trade-offs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 03:52 PM
1

It’s not hate, just exasperation. I think I’m gonna take a break from this sub, because very few people here are interested in and willing to engage in good-faith conversation, able to entertain a different perspective, and able to be charitable and cordial.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 03:25 PM
3

Your post has provided no data or proof that your position is right. More women nowadays are reporting that they’re unhappy. You have not provided any arguments or clarifications that voluntarily acting gender roles is abuse. I see what this is: a bad-faith attempt at getting people to change your view when you haven’t provided a clear picture of what your view is and why, a game set up for failure for your own self-gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 03:11 PM
-1

Almost everything said here is anecdotal, including the claim that most of it is anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 02:01 AM
2

He’s a YouTuber who uploads videos about relationships and dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 02:00 AM
0

Normalize philosophy to your friends, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:57 AM
2

Most people are caught in narcissistic thought processes, overestimate their own knowledge, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:57 AM
4

Are you denying that pleasure (e.g. having fun, being happy) is your highest priority? That’s what it means to be a hedonist: to prioritize earthly pleasure over everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:55 AM
5

Yeah, we teach a lot of things to children that are half-truths. I was making a philosophical point, but I don’t think that came across.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:43 AM
8

Wait, you mean they didn’t enjoy that sausage pie??
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:40 AM
3

No, it’s not irrelevant. The use of the word “options” refers to people someone could potentially have some kind of relationship with. Why? Because they’re willing to give their attention and affection. It doesn’t matter if this is your post: if you’re not responding meaningfully to what I’m saying, what my response is to you — missing the point, introducing a non sequitur, deflecting, etc. — I’m going to call you out on it because you’re either not getting it or you’re being willfully ignorant …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:11 AM
1

Do you see me crying? I said they’re both taking a risk. And theft is obviously different in kind from attention.. Man, and here I thought we were having a discussion in good faith, but you’re just here to score points and make yourself feel good. Sad. Well, guess I’ll bow out then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:59 AM
5

So why do you think some women dress ‘like a slut’ and lie about their reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:58 AM
3

Sure, I bet a lot of women dress for other women too. Women know what the consequences are of dressing ‘like a slut.’ Or if they don’t, they should. That doesn’t excuse some men’s behavior, but it’s (or at least can be) a dumb move regardless depending on where you are and who you’re with. Does this mean that women can’t dress like this? That they should censor their own expression? No. The world can be a crappy place, and it’s unfair and unforgiving. And people do shitty things. Nevertheless, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:55 AM
0

Because many men are sad, lonely, and resentful, I believe. People tend to project their anger on others. I don’t think the majority of men want to “control” women. I think they want to be wanted and desired by women, to experience affection reciprocally like they want and desire women. And when they don’t receive that (especially if they think that ‘bad’ men getting such attention is unfair and unjust, or they think it’s fair or just to receive it regardless because they’re ‘good’), they lash o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:50 AM
5

If I said it’s rude to not to call me “Your Majesty” when you refer to me, would you say I get to decide that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:47 AM
12

He was trying to be charitable about people’s intentions and actions, something almost no one here does.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:46 AM
3

Did I say that “excuses [them] being hypocrites?” Yeah, but you’re responding to my comment and drew the conclusion from what I said that men really care about pussy, when I was saying that’s not what most men really care about. I don’t believe most people have a solid understanding of themselves or their desires. I maintain that what most men want even more than sex is to be desired by and receive affection from women. Alright, I’m bowing out. Catch ya later, Lil.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:40 AM
1

I don’t, but I’ll take your word from it because I don’t tend to pay attention to those kinds of things. Makes you wonder exactly what is inspiring attraction in these people. Mystery? Confidence? An ‘edge?’
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:37 AM
2

Just because you don’t explicate your chain of reasoning doesn’t mean it’s not logical. I see a car go by my window that’s read. Then another. Then another. I keep watching and only red cars pass by my window. This experience leads me to conclude that there must be some meet-up in town having something to do with red cars. You’re saying that’s not a logical conclusion to draw from the evidence..?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:36 AM
2

You think being a man or woman has some causal relationship to whether they’re more likely to be a liar..? Or are you disagreeing there aren’t incentives to lie about anything..? Nothing I said was false. You’ll have to be more specific or provide an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:33 AM
6

“Adventurous” is logically distinct from being a good lover/fuck — it just means you’re willing to try new things or ‘go there.’
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:30 AM
5

It’s not really about ‘wild’ kinks: it has to do with being “adventurous” in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:28 AM
7

True. And a man who has power (e.g. capital) are more desirable too. Why? Because being with them has tons of perks. There’s a reason the hot chick dating the ugly wealthy guy she doesn’t ’really like’ is a trope.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:25 AM
2

Because women in general have more options. For some men, it’s about pussy, but for many it’s not “really about pussy.” How did you get that from “Most men want to be wanted and loved by some woman?” I didn’t mention sex at all, but attention, desire, and relationship. I guess you have this view of them that what they really want at bottom is pussy, but that’s not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 12:11 AM
3

Right. Most men want to be wanted and loved by some woman. If multiple women want him and want to be with him, all the better. Most guys just don’t experience that or get to, and it rubs them the wrong way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 11:31 PM
-1

“Stop telling people what to do” out of the mouth of someone telling other people what to do. Love it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:46 PM
2

Do you want an honest answer? That is, are you here to actually engage in honest conversation, or are you here for other reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:43 PM
8

Desiring attention is different from wanting your property to be stolen. I’m sure you know that. Just as some women ‘dress for themselves,’ other women dress for others. And a subset of the latter get upset with the predictable consequences. Can’t we agree on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:43 PM
6

Your comment is interesting in that it suggests some of your willingness to do things is based on whether he “inspires” you to do it. Does this mean that a man who isn’t great in bed isn’t getting your best or most adventurous effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:39 PM
1

There are incentives to answer any question dishonestly. If a person’s a liar, they’re a liar whether they’re a man or a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 10:37 PM
-5

Did he say he wants that to happen anywhere, did you read a descriptive report based on what he’s experienced?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 08:33 PM
6

Not necessarily. Sometimes a women discovers she doesn’t want to be with someone, or maybe the relationship has been rocky for awhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 08:30 PM
-1

I’m not sure it’s “better.” Can’t help but think a lot of women would say/think among her girlfriends, “He didn’t even ask for my number. He wants me to initiate? He’s supposed to chase me.” “Yeah, he’s not a real man. Just throw it away.” Care and consideration is always going to be in tension with confidence and attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 06:53 PM
2

Sure, sometimes, if that shaming is not justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 06:48 PM
7

Well, it always helps when both men and women are upfront about their desires and intentions. Saves a lot of time and energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 06:44 PM
1

Got it. Yes, I agree it has been used in moral discussion as well, but I still think people are trying to expand its definition and use to include ideas and norms that it didn’t include in the past. This may be a good or bad thing depending on your standard(s) of value. P.S. I find your use of downvotes amusing and silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 06:11 PM
-1

They’re relevant because traditional “equality” has been a legal term. Your comment reveals to me that I was right in the sense that your conceptions of “equality,” “rights,” and “status” are informed by your morality, your conceptions of what’s fair in an interpersonal relationship, etc. and thus your support for “equality” involves expanding the definition to include non-legal and non-political matters. Do I have that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 06:01 PM
1

In my late twenties, 25-40 maybe? The lower bound has to do with maturity, intelligence, etc. the upper bound isn’t fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:58 PM
-2

No, I’m trying to understand your position. “Rights” and “status” are nebulous terms, so we need to explain what we mean by them if we’re going to have a conversation. I think having “equal say” in the terms of a relationship is good and desirable, but it’s not completely achievable due to differences in ability, intelligence, capital, sex, etc. In these discussions, most people are advocating for what they think is a more fair and just world, but this is conceptually different from “equality.” …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:56 PM
1

The privilege is constituted by the opportunity to engage in such things and reap the benefits. What’s your definition of “privilege?” As far as I can tell, a “privilege” is an advantage one has that another doesn’t — power or opportunity. I have certain privileges that you don’t (e.g. physical strength), and you have certain privileges that I don’t (e.g. more desirability).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:42 PM
-2

Equality in status, opportunity, and relationships is the “equity” I’m referring to. So you think people being ‘equal’ in their relationships and in society is what “equality” is then? Aren’t you arguing for equal outcomes in the domains you think are morally relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:34 PM
13

Lol. I think you forgot the /s.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:29 PM
1

The problem is that functionally such a hypothetical imperative is not rational or pragmatic. The characteristics you describe are not all on equal footing or contained in the top 15% of men — more like top 1%, since the values, personalities, and capital you address conflict in reality — nor would such a program be allowed or result in the society you envision. Women do have a rational and evolutionary imperative to shoot for the top, but other normative concerns like intelligence, morality, cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:27 PM
0

Correct. This is why people need to study philosophy, and even those in the Frankfurt school. How does one know their desires and wills are their own, that they aren’t the puppet of ideology or a set of ideologies? The concepts, categories, values, and ways of life we have were given to us by them — they were not freely formed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:16 PM
-4

“Equality” has historically been understood as equity in matters of law. Contemporary discourse, including your own, is trying to shift that definition to equity in the domains y’all think are relevant. Am I wrong so far?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:14 PM
-2

What’s “equality” to you? Equal opportunity under law, equity, or something else?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:12 PM
-10

Then clearly you aren’t using your comprehension, inductive, and deductive skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:12 PM
1

It’s a clash of values and what people wish the world was like. And/or a deflection, projection, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 03:13 PM
1

Yes it is. “Discrimination” is not merely “differentiation based on protected characteristics.” Discrimination is an integral part of perception, making value judgments, and action. When you choose the chicken Parmesan over the spaghetti, you are discriminating between them. We cannot avoid discriminating between the things we see, forming value judgments about them, and then acting on these differentiations. You mean to say that thinking and acting in this way is not unreasonable, wrong, or unj…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 03:09 PM
1

They absolutely are. Discrimination is how we perceive and act in the world. When you see a cup on the table rather than an elephant and recognize it as such, you are discriminating between things. When you choose the vanilla ice cream over the chocolate, you are discriminating between them. You just don’t think such discrimination is unjustifiable or unreasonable — and you’re right. People can date whomever they want and have whatever preferences they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 03:05 PM
0

It is discriminatory, definitionally. We cannot avoid discrimination in perception or action — it’s how we differentiate between things and move and act in the world. You probably mean that it’s not unjustified or unreasonable discrimination, like hiring someone based on their race.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 03:03 PM
-1

The claim that “maternal instinct has nothing to do with it” is much too strong, unless you genuinely believe that women are in no way motivated or influenced in their dating and relationship decisions by their biological drives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 03:01 PM
0

Clearly you understood what he was saying, so it’s not “meaningless word salad.” You just disagree practically and perhaps morally with his decision. People generally don’t need to have experienced things themselves to cultivate knowledge or perspective. He’s talking about single moms in dating and relationships. Most men already are not as desired as most women. That alone would give you an a priori reason to think being a single mom is ‘easier’ when it comes to matches, dates, relationships, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 02:58 PM
0

Some people want it, and some don’t. Nevertheless, you can now understand the logic and reasoning behind men being outspoken about paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 02:53 PM
0

Your claim is that men “wholesale” hate single mothers. This is hyperbolic and false. Obviously, there are men who hate single mothers, just as there are women who hate single dads. But these numbers do not rise to a majority for anyone to justifiably claim that men “wholesale” hate single moms. The men who are making these comments are (1) criticizing them for their life choices, (2) expressing a preference for other women for a variety of reasons, (3) expressing their beliefs about lifestyle a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 02:50 PM
3

Yes, people can have whatever preferences they want. Some women undoubtedly do hate single dads; it is unjustifiable to claim no women hate single dads. I highly doubt there are a “thousand threads” on this sub about men “complaining about the very existence of single mothers.” That’s hyperbolic, and the majority of these men aren’t complaining about their “existences” — they’re criticizing them for their life choices and inflated standards, making fun of them, trolling, etc. Not wanting to date…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 02:45 PM
0

No, rejecting anyone for any reason is not “fine.” There are different types of justifiability: epistemic, social, political, moral, existential, and so on. Just because someone’s justified in rejecting someone in one of these ways does not imply that they are justified doing so in every way. People have the freedom to do what they want, but that doesn’t mean their actions are justified. In the world, we shouldn’t expect people to uphold their epistemic, social, political, moral, and existential…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 01:21 AM
3

Isn’t Blue Pill defined as just the set of beliefs and views not Red Pill? She thought such behavior was acceptable in front of a kid. A belief/view led her to that. I’ll concede Blue Pill has nothing to do with it if someone can give me a set of propositions that are fundamental to Blue Pill ideology that would not necessitate or imply the acceptability of such behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 04:15 AM
1

Sure you can. What if I take inspiration from real life to write a novel? Or are telling my friends about something funny that happened? Or write the situation down so I can meditate on it later for personal reasons? None of these constitute “stick[ing] my nose in their business.”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 04:13 AM
1

Why are you talking about women who have given birth who have post-partum depression when the guy was talking about pregnant women? This is what I mean when I say you don’t ‘really’ engage with comments. You tend to deflect, miss the point, or introduce a non sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 01:41 AM
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Don’t you already believe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 01:35 AM
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You don’t ever engage with the main points of my comments. I don’t care whether you’re nice to assholes or not. Like I said, your attitude “isn’t doing you any favors.” Your limited view of who is an “asshole” anyways is hampering your ability to persuade others.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 01:35 AM
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Can you define “patriarchy” for me? I’ve heard that was well, but everyone seems to have a different concept of “patriarchy — from “a society in which males occupy the primary positions of political and economic authority,” to “the complete set of conditions, norms, behaviors, categories, and views that is traditions society.”
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 01:33 AM
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PPD is not generally representative of average men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 12:53 AM
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Nah, look at all the overweight and obese women in relationships. They’re way more successful than men. Men in general ‘give more women a chance’
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 12:50 AM
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I don’t see how I’m adding “fuel to the fire” by pointing out the improper views people have of sex which lead to these real problems and gesturing towards general solutions. It’s whatever. How y’all interpret my comments isn’t under my control.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 07:08 PM
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Ah, interesting. I didn’t see that. I contributed to the survey but didn’t see the data. It’s really amusing to me how I’m being downvoted for asking an honest, clarifying question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 07:06 PM
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She says some true things, but the rhetoric, lack of real engagement with comments, and aggressive tone aren’t doing her any favors.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 07:04 PM
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Oh yeah, I don’t think the problems I mentioned are male specific. Most people have a messed up view of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 04:10 PM
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Do we know that the majority of PPD men aren’t having sex or are in relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:57 PM
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Sure, and they’re wrong and stupid to do it. But again, my point hasn’t been grasped. Lilith said, “Male sexuality wouldn’t be demonized if men weren’t using it to excuse bad behavior.” You said, “Everything [Lilith] said is right.” My point was that the claim isn’t true — male sexuality would still be demonized even if men didn’t use it to excuse bad behavior. Whether they use it to excuse bad behavior now doesn’t matter to my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:47 PM
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Yeah, these men are (at least partly) wrong and probably resentful. It sucks, but that’s how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:42 PM
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Sure, but the fact is that it’s a widespread problem in our society. If we want to solve it, parenting, education, media, messaging, and people’s characters need to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:40 PM
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I don’t even know who that is, and what he did isn’t germane to the point I’m making anyway. The misplaced prioritization and improper view of sex and pleasure in human life is the root cause of the issue. The problems you and I mentioned won’t be solved until this is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:36 PM
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I can see your point. But the problem also arises from (1) the normalization of hedonism as a lifestyle, (2) people prioritizing lust in their own lives, (3) demonization of men who don’t have sex, etc. If we want to fix the demonization of male sexuality and alter rates of SA, a fundamental transformation needs to occur in how people are thinking and living. This stuff happens at least in part because of people’s improper fundamental beliefs, attitudes, and views about sex and its place in huma…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 03:26 PM
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So empathetic!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 12:40 AM
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The average man is physically superior. People are better than others relative to particular domains. You’re conflating these kinds of superiority with moral superiority and projecting that view onto OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 09:48 PM
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Do you think the only difference between men and women is that the former have a penis..? You’re either ignorant or trolling, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 09:46 PM
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I’m not opposed to creating “the most objectively equally opportunist” environment for people. That sounds good — let’s improve education, etc. What I am against is violating the rights of people now to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 09:44 PM
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Option 1. I want my partner to desire me sexually, but I’m not a horn-dog. And having that over one who cares about me, cares for me, and can have long, deep conversations with me (jackpot for a philosophy professor) is simply not worth it. Dialogos is more fulfilling than sex anyway, and Option 1 seems like the more meaningful, sustainable, and fulfilling relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 09:19 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 04:08 PM
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The problem is varying conceptions of “equal opportunity.” Traditionally, this was conceived of as equal treatment under the law. Contemporarily, it is being argued that any socio-economic disparities prevents equal opportunity. But there is no way to eliminate socio-economic disparity without diminishing freedom, because these will always manifest due to natural inequalities (e.g. intelligence, ability, genetics, strength, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:38 PM
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There isn’t a draft going on right now, sure, but you’ve missed the point. “The United States has a number of laws regarding the draft, including: Selective Service System (SSS) All male U.S. citizens and male immigrants living in the United States must register with the SSS between the ages of 18 and 25. Failure to register can result in denial of federal services. Conscription The U.S. Constitution and 10 U.S. Code § 246 allow for compulsory conscription in the event of an emergency or extraor…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 02:34 PM
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Sure. I’d strive to be better, of course. And if she tried to use it against me, it would reveal her nasty character and I’d break up with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 01:53 PM
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I love how everyone here is just like “how implausible — he would never find out; I would never say that anyway!” instead of answering the question. Y’all realize this is a hypothetical, right? That the point of it is to play along?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 01:50 PM
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Guys usually find out by hearing a conversation they shouldn’t have heard, it coming out in a fight, seeing a text they shouldn’t have seen, etc. It’s not crazy and rather common.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 01:48 PM
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So having the best sex you’ve ever had is one of your top priorities in choosing a partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 01:47 PM
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Not having the best sex you’ve ever had with someone doesn’t mean they’re not the ‘love of your life.’ I would happily trade incredible sex for having someone that adores me, shows me affection, inspires me to be better, and is truly committed to growing herself and our relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 01:46 PM
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How do you define “feminist” and “tradcon?“
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 01:02 AM
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That’s human nature for ya. Most people don’t have a sufficient amount of self-knowledge, utilize critical thinking, have a proper understanding of their own grasp on the world or their place in it, etc., though they may think and say they do. People be people-in’.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:12 PM
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Very often, yes. But it seems we have different definitions of “in control of their emotions.”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 05:09 PM
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What do you think is “nothing?” If my daughter fell in love with a good man who has integrity, a good work ethic, and who will be committed to her through thick and thin despite having little money, assets, political power, etc., I’d encourage her to marry him. Those things mean more than any fleeting pleasure, social status, capital, or material good ever could.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:55 PM
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Yeah, some do. “There’s good and shitty people galore; But do try not to be forlorn. Struggle, fight, love, improve — Then may the world be moved.” (Note: to “love” doesn’t mean to be nice all the time.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:51 PM
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Well they’re looking for someone to take it out on. They think that the whole situation is unjust, that ‘bad men’ are being rewarded for their behavior, and that their own needs and desires aren’t being met. Who better to blame than the women they think are the cause of their woes and the ‘unjust system?’
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:41 PM
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Because they’re upset their needs and desires aren’t getting fulfilled, ‘bad men’ are being rewarded for their behavior, and that there’s injustice and unfairness in it all. (Whether or not there really is injustice is a separate matter — they perceive it as so.) When someone’s angry, they look for someone to blame. Who better to blame than the women they think are perpetuating their own woes and the ‘unjust system?’
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:39 PM
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Guys who don’t get any woman’s attention would do a lot to get some. Men will choose dysfunctional women and stay with them as long as it’s better than the alternative of being alone, but they’re not lining for them — and these women wouldn’t be their first 50 choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:37 PM
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I just think a lot of these women don’t understand themselves or what they really want. It wouldn’t surprise me if, like many men, they were conditioned to think they want something and to express it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:24 PM
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Right. Because they think there is a societal problem since they don’t get women’s attention while they think they should. Whether or not there actually is a systemic problem, whether or not women do go for bad men, whether or not these ‘nice guys’ are good men, etc. is a separate matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:21 PM
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Some men are dysfunctional — and some guys are just attracted to (some of) these women. What I’m saying though is that most men don’t want these women. Again, they’re expressing general needs and desires they wish were fulfilled (I.e. to be wanted and loved by a woman, for her to support him, etc.) and perceived injustice in the world (e.g. “It’s so fucked up bad guys get women while I’m good and I can’t;” “What the hell is with women saying they want good guys when they don’t go for them,” etc.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 04:19 PM
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Go read my other comment and Paul’s epistles. Your theology is not sound.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:50 PM
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True. Eastern philosophy clashes a lot with our Western sensibilities. Depending on your frame of reference and goals, “going with the flow” may be great advice or terrible advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:47 PM
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I wouldn’t call it “mainstream” like Stoicism is. Westerners could learn a lot from Eastern philosophy though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:46 PM
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This isn’t the proof you think it is. The Levitical laws were given to the Israelites because they formed a special covenant with Yahweh, among a variety of other reasons. Theologically, Jesus’s sacrifice has released Christians from obligation to the law, especially these OT Jewish commands.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:44 PM
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Do you mean to say the Bible says being in debt and having tattoos is sinful..? If you want to get into a huge theological discussion, we can, but take it from someone who was raised Christian and has intensely studied Christian theology: at best, they’re not sins, and at worst they’re adiaphora.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:40 PM
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There’s nothing wrong generally with stating one’s preferences and desires proactively or when asked. It’s every individual’s own responsibility how they perceive and respond to messaging. And I disagree this messaging “dangerous” and “damaging” for young women anyway. Whatever ‘implications’ people draw from messaging is a function of their own being.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:37 PM
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The men who get riled up about women being with ‘bad’ men are expressing general needs and desires they wish could be fulfilled and perceived injustice in the world around them — and a small minority actually want these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:32 PM
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Right. Most men don’t want these women — they want women’s attention, to be wanted and desired by a woman, to be in a certain relationship with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:28 PM
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No. A man could see almost every woman as an “option” without thinking they’re good ones — and whether a woman is a good option is dependent on what the guy is looking for anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:26 PM
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These men don’t want “dysfunctional women” — they want women’s attention and to be wanted by women. You think these guys would choose such a woman over a normal, average-looking girl if both wanted a LTR? No. This reveals they’re not “desperate for a dysfunctional woman”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:23 PM
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Again, your claim is too strong. Most “normal men” care about these women as much as one would care about a stranger’s well-being, and more so if they know them and have formed a relationship with them. I’m not jealous of the men these women are with, toxic, or dysfunctional. I’m a philosophy professor who is driven to explore perspectives, think about the world, and express my thoughts — in the rare cases when I do talk about the things you’ve mentioned, it’s through analysis and conversation f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 03:21 PM
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I wouldn’t say it’s the best thing, but it’s a great step to take. Taoism would encourage this advice with regard to all happenings, utilizing knowledge of the universe to act at the proper time with minimal effort to maximum effect, achieving a peace and security unreachable through grasping. (EDIT: as I noted in a comment below, such an Eastern philosophy of life clashes with our Western sensibilities. Whether or not you find it useful is going to depend on your goals, beliefs, and axiology. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:16 PM
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False. Your claim is way too strong. Spend some time thinking about this and you’ll see it’s immediately false. Perhaps you mean “every respect that matters,” which would be false too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 10:37 PM
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“Prioritizing men in every respect as has been throughout all of human history?” No. Firstly, evidence suggests that the subjugation of women is not only a recent historical artifact but also varies geographically. Second, men being obligated and forced to fight and die in war is contradicts your claim. In some domains, women have always been prioritized, as men have always been prioritized in other domains. And many of these prioritizations have changed historically. History is not as black and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 10:36 PM
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It’s not harmful for me to make a cake a home (I.e. “to organize around having [this desire] met”) after I “failed to get [my desire] met” because the store ran out of cake. You mean to say this is “harmful” in the sexual arena? Only with a bunch of qualifiers added.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 10:31 PM
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There’s clearly an imbalance, but this imbalance is the result of people’s autonomy, luck, system properties, etc. I agree with the spirit of your comment: men need to learn to attract women or find contentment without them. (I would prefer the latter.) It’s not fair or just, but then again neither is life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 08:35 PM
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What a travesty. No, you don’t “need” to feel in love all the time. It’s normal, and should be expected, that such a feeling comes and goes. It’s much more noble and respectable to stand in love with someone and try to make it work, not ‘follow your heart’ at the first sign of feelings changing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 07:33 PM
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Intentional killing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 07:31 PM
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I mostly agree, except I take marriage to be more sacred than ‘stay as long as you want to:’ all avenues towards reconciliation should be attempted before divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:37 PM
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Absolutely. We fist each other pretty regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:50 AM
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So when a guy rapes a woman, he’s not having sex with her..? It’s a specific kind of heinous sex called “rape,” no?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:50 AM
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False. I do want to be objectified, and it can’t be avoided anyway. When you go to the grocery store, you’re using the cashier to check out your groceries — you’re just not merely using them. Humans cannot perceive or act without engaging in objectification. Perhaps you meant to say “nobody wants to be merely objectified,” but that is false too. Some people do want to be treated as mere objects in some situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:46 AM
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Yes. If we did, humans would cease to exist. If you’re fine with that, you have some serious issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:44 AM
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Would love to see data on critical thinking skills and use here. I have no idea how one would acquire such data, but I bet it would explain many things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:25 AM
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You’re right: it does suck, and it’s a universal human experience. But everyone doesn’t “go through” it and come out the other side — many are stuck there. Some people (mostly men) simply won’t ever ‘win,’ and that way of life is brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:19 AM
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Who’s “they?” In any case, I think the anger and resentment for a lot of men doesn’t just arise from women not shacking up with them: it arises in part from such guys thinking women (1) don’t have the right priorities and values, (2) are being rewarded for their behavior, (3) treat the men poorly, etc. (Whether or not this is actually true is a separate discussion. The point is that men and women have certain perceptions, like things are unjust, and feel emotions based on them.) I couldn’t give …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 01:17 AM
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Lol try harder to troll. You’re obviously not here in good faith. Cya.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 12:40 AM
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Ah, just like the men on here that haven’t met a good woman so they don’t exist, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 12:39 AM
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Homeschooling your kids doesn’t necessitate lack of social interaction. You’re commenting on a trend you’ve heard about or seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/24 12:39 AM
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“Homeschooling your kids is guaranteed to turn them into little fucking weirdos” is a bonkers position to take. Guaranteed? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 10:10 PM
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Can we disperse with the whole “I can see what you really mean / your character is flawed / I know your real intentions” crap? Why doesn’t anyone here respond to what is said, the ideas being explicated? Why is the prevailing tendency to read into everything and draw the least charitable conclusion from it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 10:08 PM
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Our society wouldn’t be here without the actions of men and women, though historically their contributions have been different. To your last point though, I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying men are criticizing women for trying to enter the workforce where hard work is required?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 10:06 PM
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True. And people use language simply to describe the reality they see without malice. Too bad intention, people’s characters, etc. are read into comments on this sub and IRL all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 10:03 PM
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I’m all for calling out hypocrisy, but then we should be equally critical of the men and women of our time. Most people nowadays, men and women, are controlled by their passions, hypocritical, have vices and addictions, and will blame anybody but themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 10:02 PM
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No, I don’t hate anyone. I just have a fundamentally different worldview, set of values, and view of sexuality and relationships compared to them, so I don’t hang out with or pursue them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 08:16 PM
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Be attractive. Don’t be desperate. Don’t be terrible at sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 05:54 PM
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Because I don’t care about my partner having wealth, status, power, or authority in the domains we see them for men. There is a certain wealth, status, power, and authority that I want my woman to have, but it doesn’t involve participating in the vacuous rat-race among the rabble: I want her to exude strength by sticking to her principles, cultivate wealth by producing and holding in union a family, live up to her status as matriarch, co-leader of the household, and exercise her power to produce…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 02:08 PM
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Going to the gym and working out will improve (1) looks, (2) confidence, and (3) mood — the most important things to get your foot in the door. Seriously, don’t underestimate the value of improving your body and holding yourself more like a confident egoist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 01:51 PM
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“In no way?” Nah, that’s too strong of a claim. A society can be (at least partly) gynocentric and patriarchal: hell, that was one of the critiques feminists brought against western society, because they saw such gynocentrism as being infantilizing and disrespectful.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:14 AM
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No, “gynocentrism” is the prioritization of women in some respect(s).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:12 AM
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Perhaps most Americans, but not Americans full stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:11 AM
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How about by expecting the man to pay for the date? They’re adults too — they have money. The man is acting as their ‘patron.’
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:09 AM
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False.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/24 12:08 AM
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I disagree. It would seem to me that ‘nice guys’ tend to be Liberals and/or progressives. What do you consider “weak/ desperate” behavior? Chivalry is upheld by men across the political spectrum, but I’ll concede that many are conservative. False. Women are not respected only in “conservative societies” if “they’re married and living off the labour and sacrifices of a husband.” Respect in such societies has to do with actions and character, not marital status. This is partly true. But all people…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 11:58 PM
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How does one do a custom flair? Where can I find info on that rather than just choosing a pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 11:51 PM
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So like every one of your posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 03:22 PM
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There’s no opportunity to vet if the guy doesn’t have options. You can criticize the homeless person for eating food that makes him sick — he should have gone without eating — but the same blame isn’t going to fall on someone with more opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 02:10 AM
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Right. She has ownership and control of her body. But there’s another body too. Funny how people refuse to see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 02:08 AM
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Yeah, under the false pretense it was his. Let’s be honest: the state doesn’t care about the child’s interest — it cares about expanding its own power. Can we at least agree it’s unjust? You can offer what utilitarian argument you want for the victimized guy to raise the kid, but I don’t care about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 02:06 AM
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When you grow up with privilege and opportunity, you grow expectant and entitled. Couple the luxury we have in the U.S. with our addictive technological landscape and you have a system ripe for conditioning vice, narcissism, and lack of real love and empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 02:04 AM
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Watch out: people on this sub may criticize you of being a rapist or crazy person for even suggesting that being a good partner may sometimes include sexual sacrifices. You’re not crazy for thinking it. If my girlfriend wants to do it and I’m not in the mood, I’ll still go along with it to make her happy. That’s not rape: it’s voluntary.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:57 AM
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Do you verbally say “I consent to sex” every time you fuck? Or do you mean whether you want it or not is clear to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:55 AM
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Uh, that kind of sex happens. It’s just not consensual. Are you saying non-consensual sex doesn’t happen or it shouldn’t happen..? It obviously happens, though it shouldn’t happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:54 AM
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Sure, but the women are still competing against other women for the guy’s attention, even if the other competitors don’t show up to play.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:46 AM
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Why do you think you’re not in competition? Are you not single?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:44 AM
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Of course I’d rather be picked. But let’s be honest: no one out here is getting their ideal partner. No one is perfect. Everyone settles in some way. The question is how many things do you settle for before you become a “settler.”
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:31 AM
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Of course they’d rather date other ‘artists.’ The fact that they’re with the photographer means they settled. People settle because they don’t think they can get someone better, and they have someone now that, while not amazing, is at least good enough. I’m confused at your confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:29 AM
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All women are bad. Same with men. We’re all just bad in varying degrees, different ways, and in different domains.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 09:06 PM
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I’m amazed she hasn’t been banned yet or stopped posting altogether. I would leave the sub and never come back if people saw me being this obtuse and retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 08:58 PM
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Because the facts reveal something very troubling about a significant portion of half the population we have to live and work with. If you found out that a significant portion of men in the world, which may include in your work and home, were pining after women who killed their newborns, would you think it’s no big deal? Hell no.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 08:57 PM
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⁠How many men “will SA anything?” Oh right, we’re just supposed to take your feeling as gospel. ⁠You completely misunderstood his point. That media is a certain way reveals something about the desires and dispositions of their audience (e.g. women). Who’s “mentally” a teen here? ⁠Again, you missed the point again. I don’t know if you’re actually stupid or just unwilling to engage in critical thinking. Your rhetoric isn’t doing you any favors. Why not think and try open-mindedness? You might lear…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 08:53 PM
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People should stop caring about lots of things and start prioritizing different things, yes. For what it’s worth, people bring it up because they find it troubling or indicative of something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 08:45 PM
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Abortion is not “the” consequence. It’s a consequence women choose over the alternative. You’re speaking as if women don’t have free will, which is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 06:37 PM
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True. But I also think establishing justice involves the imposition of certain consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 06:36 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 01:55 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 01:50 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 01:38 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 01:27 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 01:26 PM
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There is a correlation between socioeconomic status and obesity. Many are eating the wrong foods.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 01:18 PM
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I didn’t say there was a “moral obligation to break up.” I said there are cases in which one partner is not deserving of another. Accusing me of being angry is funny. I’m just expressing what I think to be true. Do you read intention, attitude, and moral character into everyone you respond to? That’s a bad habit you should break yourself out of.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 03:37 AM
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Because it’s not true — that’s why I disagree. People are not equal in every domain. Objective value exists. Whatever standard you bring to bear to determine value, some people will be deserving of some things and others won’t be. I don’t think dessert is equivalent to “well they’re together and they’re both happy.” That’s silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 03:32 AM
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Im not convinced most women have realistic standards, but let’s assume that’s true. Even if they can pull most men — attractive ones too — that doesn’t mean their relationship expectations are realistic, nor does it mean that they’re deserving of such relationships. “Standards” is not a well-defined word anyway. What are we talking about here? Moral worth? Physical ability? Intelligence? Psychological disposition? Creativity? Attractiveness? Genetic excellence? Wealth? Social status? And, relate…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 03:25 AM
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Many men appear unattractive because they have no confidence in themselves. To a lesser degree, it’s the same with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 02:58 AM
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You are not unloved, even if you can’t see or feel it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 02:57 AM
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Cooked? Or baked? 🤤 it’s Saturday, y’all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 02:56 AM
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To “succeed” in a relationship (depending on how we define that word), one doesn’t need to be good — that’s the tragedy, and that’s why many men (and women) feel cheated and that the dating landscape is unjust or unfair. But I agree with you that nice is not the same as good. We should want ourselves and our partners to be good, and being too nice is a turn-off for women because it’s often associated with being a doormat, lacking decisiveness, lacking mystery and confidence, etc. Too bad most pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 02:38 AM
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Except you normally don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 07:34 PM
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It may help, but it won’t fix everything. Men in general want women more and want to make it work than the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 03:55 PM
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lol I love comments like these because you’re whining about a dude whining. “Why would you give a fuck?” Why would you give a fuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 03:15 PM
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..And how does talking about that provide an explanation for how they’re morally superior and would treat them better..? Two different things, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 03:13 PM
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Your post sounds like you don’t know what happens on this sub. If people are paying attention, they’d see: 1. Rarely does rational, open-minded, or original discussion happen here. 2. Hypocrisy rules the day. 3. People just come to vent their frustrations, satisfy themselves, and/or argue with others. Leave before you get sucked in to the mindless, whining circlejerk. This isn’t a place for the cultivation of knowledge or happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 03:11 PM
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If you think using the word “whore” in a description of a hypothetical situation where a man irrationally expresses his resentment is “all that needs to be said about it,” clearly you’re not seeing the situation clearly or thinking rationally. Logical_instigstor? Former no, latter yes. Lmfao.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 03:08 PM
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You’re generally right here. It’s a shame though that people say they want a “good personality” when what they mean is “they act in a way that arouses me”. Those are quite different things. Unclear communication like this — and lack of self-knowledge — is one of the reasons dating and relationships are hard today.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 01:27 PM
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Everyone woman is slightly different. But writing too little makes you appear “dry.” Writing too much makes you appear “desperate.” And then there’s the tone and content you have to worry about too. It’s a skill. But even if you master it, there’s no guarantee that you’ll get a LTR. With many westerners now having fallen into consumption, hedonism, and screen addiction, their attention span is short, they lose interest easily, and they don’t have laudable self-control or executive functioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 01:17 PM
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True. But the guy in the scenario falls into the trap by giving another woman attention, not because he’s “shitting on her.”
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 01:54 AM
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A lot of women aren’t doing it for men. A lot of women are doing it for men and attention in general. I don’t see how you could believe otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 01:53 AM
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On this sub and on the internet in general, everyone’s running around reading intentions and concepts into everything. They get one look at someone’s post, and they jump to respond because they think they’ve got the person’s intentions and character figured out. It would be funny if it wasn’t so human and sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 05:28 PM
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I’m a philosophy professor. I think, a lot, seek out different perspectives, do analysis, make claims, etc. There’s nothing wrong with being precise in your speech when you’re trying to understand the world and communicate your ideas. When I mean to talk about females, I use that word. When I mean to talk about women, I use that word. In this context, I am selecting the right word for the job. It’s no different than referring to the thing I’m sitting on as a “chair” or the thing I’m typing with …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 05:23 PM
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Everyone is responsible for knowingly engaging in the behavior they do. Women shouldn’t be surprised and blame men when they’re easily misinterprettable signals get lost in translation. Men shouldn’t be surprised and blame women when their direct signals produce certain responses. “Wow, that shirt looks good on you.” light touch on arm. “Ya know, I’m not doing anything this weekend.”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 05:21 PM
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It’s impossible not to make judgments; it’s required to differentiate and act in the world. What many women object to when they criticize a man for being “judgmental” is the perceived intention, belief, and/or reason behind the judgment — and the reality of its expression, which often makes people feel bad. People don’t like people having beliefs and/or intentions they think are ‘wrong’ — and they especially don’t like others voicing them and the bad feelings they produce. Everyone’s got an imag…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 05:02 PM
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We talkin’ like old creepy dolls?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 02:23 PM
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“Didn’t you know? All women are crazy anyway!”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 02:22 PM
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What I see on this sub: OP offers a descriptive analysis. Others don’t like it and get fed up, because they assume OP is offering a prescription. Fights ensue in the comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 02:21 PM
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Pretty sure a threeway is a little different from ‘running a train.’
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 02:52 AM
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Inebriation and a casual environment can easily lend to kinkier stuff. People get inside their own heads about sex, their reputation, etc. sometimes with people they know, want to pleased, and don’t want to let down.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 02:51 AM
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Nah, I’m expecting me to only increase in net perceptive value in my thirties. I’ll have my shit together (more), have more money, be able to communicate better, will look more masculine and older, be fitter, etc. Why do you think being in your thirties makes a man harder to compete?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 01:49 AM
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Yes, I want what might be considered a “traditional relationship” and woman (to some degree), as well as being desired and committed to for the long haul. The men you mentioned simply have a different hierarchy of priorities. To them, being wanted and desired takes precedence over having a “traditional woman.”
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:00 AM
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So it’s an immoral act that violates consent? Aren’t we supposed to recognize and fight against such things?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 02:57 AM
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So do you see this as a moral issue or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 02:55 AM
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Improve education and parenting. Reestablish the family unit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 10:01 PM
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Your analysis is a one-sided mischaracterization of history and political rule. Most people asking women to admit ‘how good they have it’ aren’t asking for an “acknowledgment” — they’re asking for women to cultivate a broader understanding of their historical place, for them to become mature, for them to grow up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 07:55 PM
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“Yeah okay” is literally the acknowledgement you’re talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 07:54 PM
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No, this is a fundamental misunderstanding. Killing another human being intentionally not out of self-defense was never a “right.” Getting an abortion was an allowance granted to women by the state.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 07:53 PM
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Yeah, virtue signaling is stupid. But I don’t see the majority of people asking for that. They’re asking for people to grow up, be mature, and ‘recognize the facts.’
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 07:52 PM
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You’ll never think you have it “good” when comparing yourself to the ideal. But compared to every other society in human history, historical treatment generally, and other societies that exist now.. Yeah, we have it “good.”
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 07:50 PM
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Do you not think we are surrounded by and participants in games?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 01:48 PM
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He’s not “pretending to be oblivious to the discrimination women face.” He’s saying that such discrimination is not as common, widespread, and intense as the discrimination against men. Bad faith? If anyone’s posting in bad faith here, it’s you. Your mind’s already made up. You’re blinded by your hatred and disgust for men and will not entertain any other ideas or perspectives. The last comment in your post says it all. I don’t know who hurt you — and it sucks that happened; you have my sympathy…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 01:39 PM
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Uh, single women do hours of housework already. Same thing with single men. Sounds like you’re just mad some women get the short end of the stick in some relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 01:35 PM
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The men who aren’t being cowardly want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 01:08 PM
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Read your first sentence again. Your experience is far from normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 12:59 PM
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Yeah, intellectually, but they don’t do it. Anyone with a real belief and commitment to self-improvement does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:17 AM
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I want to find and live out a meaningful life. If we’re talking about dating and LTRs, marry a woman that I’m attracted to, is considerate, wants me, is committed to improving herself, voluntarily decides to commit to me for life, and starting a family with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 03:16 AM
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Dating and getting into LTRs can have numerous financial, physical, sexual, and emotional benefits. Dating and getting into LTRs can be pleasurable, lead to new experiences and the cultivation of new insights. Dating and getting into LTRs can open up your field of possibility, permitting greater self-actualization. Obviously, not all dates and LTRs are equal: there are also risks, dangers, and harms. But women who are attracted to men have a lot to gain by dating and getting into the right relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:58 AM
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That’s your read on what she was saying. Nowhere did I read granny as saying “women’s actions are bad and make men do bad things.” Granny’s main point is not controversial: behavior leads to people getting ideas and forming expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:35 AM
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Part of OP’s post implicitly says the harm is social.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 02:31 AM
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Nah, that exact line would work on some women. You just don’t know who they are unless you try or have other info.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:27 AM
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Welcome to the game. Be yourself. If it works, great. If it doesn’t, who cares. Women are only one factor in a fulfilling life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:26 AM
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Even if that is true, that does not mean that norms against fornication do not foster egalitarianism, nor that the alternative is better. Laws and norms have never been justly applied in all cases. That doesn’t mean they’re ’off the mark’ or that we should seek to eliminate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:07 PM
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That doesn’t mean promiscuity is good, standards surrounding it haven’t relaxed which have produced bad consequences, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:04 PM
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Not an argument. Not an argument either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:03 PM
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Communicate again. Eventually, distance themself from the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:02 PM
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It all depends upon how you look at it. If you’re looking to see complaining and self-victimization from others, you will find it. But what if you approached every conversation and interaction with a person as an opportunity to learn? People will laugh this idea off, but that is because they are possessed by their arrogant egos and presume unjustifiably that they have an open-mind and sufficient knowledge of the world around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:59 PM
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Oftentimes, it is what lies beyond the appearance that makes someone ‘mid.’ The majority of people in the U.S. for instance have addictions, poor self-control, are materialistic, consumerist, and hedonist, revel and vice, and are not pursuing wisdom and self-improvement. It’s a travesty that this is the normal state of things such that these people are considered ‘mid.’
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:57 PM
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“Make the first move” is excellent advice for progressing the ‘story’. For the vast majority of men, it’s a fool-proof way of getting him to go on a date with you. Criticizing this for “benefitting men” seems silly to me. Isn’t the reason we give advice for people’s benefits..?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:51 PM
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It may be unrealistic, but wishing for others to recognize the truth is far from “pathetic.” (Begging them to would be, as would constantly seeking empathy and sympathy.) Life is cruel and unfair. One should learn to be content with little and place themselves on the path of the true, the good, and the beautiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:47 PM
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“Ignorance” is not a progressive term. It may have been co-opted like so many other spaces and ideas, but it did not originate there. Women do have a systemic advantage in dating. No political or legal policy can fix it long-term (nor do I think we should try to come up with and instantiate one). The only thing that will change the landscape long-term is the widespread transformation of a sufficient number of individuals, which likely will not happen. Dating will never be fair, because life is n…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:44 PM
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Well, I disagree with that metric and the frame in which it is contained. But if that is the metric we are discussing here, I agree that in some cases RP does have ‘an edge.’
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:32 PM
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Neither I’m I. I argue that some PUAs are using it correctly, and relative to the goal of relevance (e.g. sex, relationships) their ideology is superior. In this way, RP has an edge, but there are other ways and in other domains in which BP and PP have ‘an edge.’ If our metric is relationship (e.g. long-term, short-term, sexual, non-sexual) success, in those cases PP and even BP have ‘an edge’ over RP, I would argue, where those ideologies have won out over the operations of RP and PUAs. (Becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:59 AM
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How about empirically, the basis of RP, science has made possible the lives and operations of RP ideology. Your claims are too broad. RP does not provide a metaphysic, epistemological grounding, or method of obtaining knowledge that isnt empirical, just like science is. Any ideology that purports to offer a metaphysic and epistemological grounding has at least philosophically an ‘edge’ over those ideologies that don’t (even if that grounding metaphysic is contract).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:44 AM
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Claim (3) is prima facie unreasonable. Numerous “purplepillers” talk to women and are in relationships. The generalization is too broad. And RP has its own weaknesses because it is inductive and, often, reductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:41 AM
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There’s always a power imbalance in relationships between people. Certainly you mean that the wrong kind or degree of power imbalance is troubling, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:36 AM
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False. Clarity and precision in thinking and writing is important. Signed, A philosophy professor whose job depends on accurate analysis and use of terms
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:31 AM
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Yeah, I wouldn’t call that “(childhood) innocence.” You can be wise and mature and not be materialistic. You can be innocent and naive and be materialistic and have poor priorities. In my personal opinion, materialism, consumerism, and hedonism are not only bad things to pursue for the consequences they bring about, but also indicate one or more character flaws — and will not lead to a fulfilling life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:27 AM
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To your first point, I’ve noticed that too. The people I went to graduate school with who were raised in homes with money venmo requested people for bottles of water they bought for others. Others, who grew up quite poor, were much more generous with their time and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:15 AM
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That “dopamine has NO impact on oxytocin bonds” (emphasis mine) is a priori not a reasonable claim to make given the complicated, interdependent nature of our universe. EDIT: Not looking to discuss, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:16 AM
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No evidence of it? Listen to her speak. The vast majority of people don’t dislike her because she’s simply a woman. She’s unlikable, propped up by the regime, platforming on (some) ridiculous policies, etc. etc. Does all this mean there isn’t prejudice against women? No. Nor does it mean there isn’t prejudice against men. Everyone carries around with them — to use progressive rhetoric — ‘privileges’ and ‘oppressions’ which vary relative to race, sex, gender, socio-economic status, ability, educa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:10 AM
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Participation is one consideration. Looking at what women want is another. Looking at how often women run for politics is another. Looking at…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 02:04 AM
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I’m not sure. Have you checked out all vaginas?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:59 AM
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How about re-stabilizing the family unit, completely overhauling education, and replacing deleterious incentives with pro-existence ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:51 AM
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My priorities would be restabilizing the family unit and improving education. This would inculcate proper values in people, allow for the emergence of virtuous and capable children, and lead to better social, economic, moral, and political outcomes for society. Would never happen though. Realistically, serious change that is lasting can only come about through widespread transformation of individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:44 AM
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Some of the best people I’ve ever known were American women. Likewise, some of the worst people I’ve ever known were American women. I claim no knowledge on the toxicity of American woman compared to other women. Nevertheless, people in the west are falling increasingly into materialism, consumerism, narcissism, and hedonism — and it is extremely troubling.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 12:52 AM
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Yeah, I was joking. (Kind of.) In my experience, never showing weakness or vulnerability is the safe path when in the company of a woman. That doesn’t mean it’s good or right, though. We go through stuff — some of us a lot worse than others. We need to process it to be healthy. Appreciate what you’re speaking out about. Thanks for serving, man. Thanks for fighting on the side of right.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 01:14 PM
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People care, and people don’t like lies. People don’t like the truth, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 01:03 PM
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Then we fundamentally disagree on at least one deeply-seated belief: people’s actions in the past which have formed their present character provide insight into potential and future behavior. It doesn’t matter if people are comparing knowingly. I think people compare things all the time without it ever coming to conscious awareness. We are judgment-making machines. It’s how we navigate the world. Looks like we have very different conceptions of human nature as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 01:00 PM
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That can’t be right. It doesn’t tell us nothing about intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 12:33 PM
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I agree theoretically, but I’m not going to get married unless I find a partner who is sufficiently committed to me and themselves. If I’m getting married, it’s for the long haul. Let’s hope I find a woman out there who feels and thinks the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 11:21 PM
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I’ve thought a lot about humility. Many people think it means to downplay your capacities and achievements, but I like Aristotle’s definition: understanding your value, knowledge, and capacities and acting as such — the golden mean between arrogant ass and shy doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:10 PM
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May the 4th be with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:09 PM
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Sounds like y’all work well together :) I appreciate your perspective here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:09 PM
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Thank you for all of the detail here! I’m starting to get a better sense of what people consider valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:08 PM
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I appreciate the response. Maybe the bully will leave you alone now..
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:07 PM
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Hey, care is a virtue. And humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:06 PM
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That’s really interesting. I don’t see many people nowadays placing much value on “legacy.”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:06 PM
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No wonder you’re married..!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:05 PM
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Got it. Well thanks for providing so much detail..! You’ve given me some things to think about.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:04 PM
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Cool, thanks for responding. Y’all are helping me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:03 PM
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Well, I bet a lot of guys would appreciate that..!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:03 PM
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Thank you for your response! Sounds like you’d from half of a power couple.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:02 PM
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Physics and philosophy major.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:01 PM
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I don’t believe value is merely in the eye of the beholder. Don’t you think there are some things about you that are objectively valuable?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:01 PM
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Because goodness is a virtue regardless of its object.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 09:00 PM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 08:59 PM
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Thanks :) I do desire to know more — I’m not trying to be an ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 08:44 PM
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Okay. Everyone else does those things. Thanks for responding, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 08:43 PM
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Thanks for the response. If you’re earnestly trying to better yourself, I think you’re doing better than a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 08:42 PM
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Do you think n-counts provide no gestures as to present and future behavior? I agree with your sentiment that some people care about n-count too much and/or from the wrong reasons or motivations. I disagree that people don’t compare partners. It happens, though maybe not as much as people think. I agree that generally people focus on and enjoy their current partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 05:13 PM
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Could you expand on that? Do you not believe in the ontology of things we call “tables,” or perhaps do you reject the idea that we should be conceiving of relationships along lines of value..?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:35 PM
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Cool, thanks for your response!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:34 PM
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What do those do for your partner? Do you see them as valuable?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:33 PM
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I think many men do value other things but might not consciously recognize it. (I don’t know any man that doesn’t value love, support, treats and gifts, etc. Whether they realize it or express it is a different thing..) But yeah, I’ve heard that some men ask this as a ‘gotcha’ or for some other motive. I’m simply interested in expanding my perspective and knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:33 PM
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Definitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:31 PM
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Hey, i bet your partner likes it..!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:31 PM
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I think some women and men do seek to better themselves, but messaging and perverse incentives influence people not to. Thanks for your response though. I’m a firm believer in the value of reflection and honest expression.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:31 PM
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Wow, thank you for the detailed response! This helps a lot. He seems lucky to have you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:29 PM
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There are mean people everywhere. Sorry to hear that your experience here hasn’t been great.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:29 PM
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I doubt I will ever have a complete answer. I’m not sure I could, because women are a lot of things and do a lot of things — and because I don’t presume there is a fixed amount of information required to have ‘knowledge’ about this thing. I’ve asked her, and now I’m asking other women what they think. Cultivating more ideas and perspectives will only help me ‘see’ the truth more.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:04 PM
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I won’t make you regret it. Thanks for your response!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:01 PM
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Got it. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:00 PM
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The point is for my own learning and satiating my curiosity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 04:00 PM
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Philosophy professor.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:59 PM
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I’m not asking what people want in relationships. In the OP, I specifically asked what women think they ‘bring to the table.’ (What people want is an interesting question though too, at least related in some way. I will ponder this later.) I have an innate desire to learn and expand my consciousness. I score high in curiosity and trait openness. I’m a philosophy professor who enjoys inquiry for its own sake. And these perspectives will help me in my writing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:58 PM
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Awesome, thanks for the response. It’s so interesting to me that I’m being downvoted for honestly seeking women’s perspective. What’s going on here, I wonder to myself. Are people that emotionally unstable or ticked off? Do we have that many cynics here? People rubbed the wrong way by past interactions? Whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:56 PM
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Thank you for providing so much detail!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:53 PM
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Yes, I’ve noticed that as well..? I should have been clearer: I think many men see the value women bring, but that doesn’t mean they’re consciously aware of it. (I doubt the vast majority of people are consciously aware of a lot of what they do and why, but that’s a separate thing.) What are you trying to tell me? 🧐
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:52 PM
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Don’t men care about vaginas, kids, etc.? (Certainly they want more things than that, but those seem like no-brainers.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:49 PM
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Sure, what people are looking for is interesting too, but I’m interested in figuring out what women think they themselves provide their partner. I could ask the men, but again, you gotta start somewhere. (I expect there to be some overlap in men and women’s answers, but not completely so.) I guess I’m not sure what you’re driving at, but that’s fine. No one’s goals here are completely transparent to anyone else’s.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:48 PM
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Yeah that would be great! What do you see yourself as providing?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:46 PM
2

Ah, I see what you mean. Okay. Thank you for your response! You’ve helped expand my perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:43 PM
1

It would add to my knowledge, sure, but you gotta start somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:42 PM
3

Women do, but, it would seem, some men can’t see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:42 PM
3

I understand that your perspective highlights a certain incentive structure. But do you think women don’t bring anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:41 PM
4

The metaphorical table of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:41 PM
7

Thank you for your response! I do appreciate it. I think people in general could be ‘more chill.’ No one wants to hang out with someone who’s really serious or a Debbie downer all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:38 PM
3

Then that only highlights the character flaw(s) in users on this sub. I’m not looking for a debate or comparisons. I haven’t been around forever. What, am I expected to know and have seen everything people talk about and ask here? If people don’t want to answer or mean to get snippy, fine. But it’s not going to help me or anyone else. I’m interested in expanding my knowledge and perspective. If that was doomed from the start, then I’ll reevaluate the value of this sub and my desire to be and pos…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:37 PM
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If they want to attack me for asking a question, so be it. I’m just interested in women’s responses. I don’t agree that women ‘bring nothing to he table,’ and I don’t think that men bring everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:32 PM
1

Good point. So, what are you looking for in a romantic life partner? Do you think your desires are more or less universal?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 03:31 PM
1

It’s called Socratic pedagogy: it’s called asking questions to determine someone’s position, and then asking more questions. You seem to be the one “insinuating” here, thinking you know what I’m doing. And you didn’t answer my question about what you think makes something an “accusation.” Sigh. I don’t think this is gonna go anywhere if you won’t answer the question so we can develop a philosophy of accusation. Peace out. Good luck out there. May you travel fair roads under clear skies 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:32 PM
5

True dat. And it’s on the rise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:26 PM
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Yes, there’s a difference. But hardly any people here are actually showing weakness. That would actually require honesty, authenticity, an ‘opening up.’ What we have in this sub is men complaining about women, women complaining about men, self-pity, attention seeking, whining in general, and everything in between.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:24 PM
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The solution? Bottle it up! Push it deep down! Never let a woman see you frown! Be strong, able, and confident — Then you’ll know the path of a gent!* *Imagined sung in an annoying show-tunes way
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:22 PM
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To harken back to OP’s title, there are few people “showing weakness” on this sub. It’s men complaining about women, women complaining about men, conflict, whining, self-pity, and everything in between. Yes, there are “women are evil” or “have no empathy for men” or “Dave Chapelle men are loved unconditionally,” but there’s the reverse of all that too. So, I guess it’s fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:18 PM
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There’s nothing wrong with honesty and authenticity, if the guy believes it. This doesn’t necessarily imply the guy is “socially retarded,” though a lot of people in society are generally retarded in various degrees in particular domains.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:47 AM
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Nah, depends on the receiver. Whether any ‘approach’ lands does.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:46 AM
1

Yeah, people care about paternity tests for a variety of reasons. Some think requests for paternity tests are (1) insinuations or even (2) accusations. Whether these people are right, whether their level of care is appropriate given the context, and whether they should have these beliefs about what a request for a paternity test is or implies are all separate questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:43 AM
1

There’s hope (e.g. make friends with people at church). There are still virgins out there, and people who aren’t looking for hook-ups generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:40 AM
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I wasn’t offering an analogy. I put forth a question to try to determine what you think makes something an accusation. Okay, so you think that paternity tests bear some objective property of “insinuation” which determine them to be an accusation or not? Maybe I’m misreading you, because you said that a paternity test in this context is a “test that insinuates.” (Not trying to be an ass. Language is important. Take it from a philosophy professor.) I don’t think any “test” insinuates anything. I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:38 AM
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Different priorities, values, and beliefs for different folks. I bet our personalities are pretty different.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:27 AM
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Okay, I’ll bite. What constitutes an “accusation?” If I am a cop, show up to a murder scene, and see a random person there, if I ask if he did it am I accusing him? So many posters here are claiming paternity tests are “accusations” without even explaining what an accusation is. Seems, for a lot of people, to come down to: “oh well it made me feel bad so wah!”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:04 AM
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I see a lot of comments here mentioning “pregnancy” and “risk of STIs,” but why are these germane to dating? I get it that people screw some people they date, but dating is dating — ya know, going out on dates and talking. If we’re strictly talking about getting and going out on dates, not extra stuff that may or may not be part of a date, do men in general have any advantages other than their physicality? EDIT: No responses but downvotes are interesting. Feelings rule the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 03:40 AM
2

Simple does not mean easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 03:36 AM
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So, do you think the people claiming they’ve settled are lying to themselves, or..?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 03:23 AM
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How do you reconcile your views and beliefs with the ‘need’ for ‘enthusiastic consent?’ I take it if a guy you have good chemistry with asked if he would kiss you, you’d lose interest, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 03:20 AM
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Sexual attraction can change though too. I agree initial attraction is usually a prerequisite.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 03:11 AM
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A lot of women think remembering those things indicates attraction, care, consideration, etc. Personally, I wouldn’t care if someone couldn’t remember little things about me. I’m just looking for steely commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:45 PM
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Yeah, I could imagine worse. I was mostly trying to provide realistic answers that would tear me up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:42 PM
3

To make themselves happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 09:25 PM
1

Many men are lying, but many men also don’t consume it. I don’t consume it, and I don’t support it. Those who consume it and lie about it are trying to save face.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:38 PM
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In dating? I guess men in general have a physical advantage which provides physical and psychological security. Some men have resources and freedom that some women don’t have, but I think you’d be hard-pressed to find advantages that all men have over all women in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:37 PM
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They should be prepared for it to end. To human beings, the grass always seems greener somewhere else, when routine and predictability have set in. Most cheaters don’t think very hard about what they do. When the realization hits them that they fucked everything up, they want to get it back.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:34 PM
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One of the following would be pretty bad: 1. “I never loved you.” 2. “I want to fuck other people.” 3. “You were never good in bed. Your dick is tiny. You’ve never made me feel good.” Why? Because most men just want to please and their woman and make them happy. To realize we haven’t done that — or can’t — is a knife to the heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:31 PM
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For me, it’s about the person’s intention. If your intention is to hangout and share in joy with friends, cool. If your intention is to cultivate attention from people you’re not dating to feel good and validate you, not cool. But it’s up to the people in the relationship to discuss and decide what they will do. I’m not going to harshly verbalize criticism of polyamorous couples and what they do because I wouldn’t do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:32 PM
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Consensus is no mark of truth. You’re just viewing this example through a different phenomenological lens. Nothing to be done about it. You’re living in a different world than we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:28 PM
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You’re focusing on the wrong thing. He’s not romanticizing “homelessness and addiction” but what he perceives to lie behind this couple: unwavering love and real commitment which prioritizes the other more highly than luxury and comfort. You can say he’s wrong about the couple having this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:27 PM
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You’ve got it wrong. These men go to these nations because they’re culturally more traditional. To assume they’re all doing it because women are just more easy to manipulate is quite the accusation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:25 PM
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Of course it is. Commitment is a movement and placement of the soul, not a legal contract. You might see evidence of commitment from someone proposing to and marrying you, but marriage is not sufficient for commitment. Hell, apparently marriage doesn’t mean much anyway based on the way married people are behaving and the divorce rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:23 PM
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Yeah but in this situation they consented to having sex, knowing full well the risks. Things aren’t necessarily bad or unjustified because consent is lacking — and there is consent in this case anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:21 PM
1

It is said that Alexander the Great came to visit one time because he had heard of Diogenes and wished to do something for him. When he arrived, he asked Diogenes what he wanted. Diogenes said to him, “Move out of the way. You’re blocking my sunlight.” After the encounter, it is said Alexander remarked to his officials, “If I were not Alexander the Great, I would like to be Diogenes.”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:19 PM
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I agree that some of the rhetoric here is designed to push back against feminism. But we don’t have exact estimates for paternity fraud. Studies show a range of 0.8-30%. If it’s on the higher end, does your view change?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:06 PM
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Nah, you can’t justifiably consider “all of this talk” being mental masturbation. It’s not. My whole job is reflecting on ideas, constructing arguments, and performing textual analysis for the pursuit of truth. I’m here talking for that end, not jerking myself or others off.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 03:04 PM
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No, revulsion is an appropriate emotional reaction to years of being manipulated and lied to. The object of the man’s revulsion is the important factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 02:59 PM
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Regardless, privacy is and should be a concern in these discussions. It’s something that should be weighed against the other consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 02:56 PM
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A lot of men probably aren’t thinking about it until they have a kid. Oversight.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 02:53 PM
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I told my girlfriend about how I was arguing with people the other day on this sub about paternity tests. Before I could tell her my position, she nonchalantly said, “I just want to do that anyway. It’s just good to know, and I read somewhere that men contribute more to the child’s life if they have that certainty.” “A lot of these people are arguing though that a man asking for a paternity test is an accusation of cheating,” I said, probing her a little bit. She just scrunched up her face, told…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 02:51 PM
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You’re right. It’s not hard to approach women, but those with poor social skills make women feel unsafe and uncomfortable. Women don’t want those kinds of approaches, not approaches in general. (Of course, this will vary from woman to woman, and some woman may not want to be approached at all for particular reasons.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 02:47 PM
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Yes, it’s immature to try to hurt women as revenge. Female preferences are not “done” to people, but the lies they tell men, other women, and themselves are — and they’re not cool. People should pursue those they prefer, but lying about it is immoral and immature. Some men are psychotic, yes, just like some women are. And, like men, many women respond psychotically when a man voices his preferences, trying to shame him. Honesty should be the default whether people ‘can handle it or not.’ I’m not…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:30 AM
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Not any men I know. And I thought that men are willing to sleep with anything that has a pulse. You must be talking about relationships, then? Except men in general are willing to date and marry across and down their socio-economic status, providing further evidence that they’re willing to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:19 AM
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Women don’t have to do anything. Not OP, but I’m not mad at women complaining. I’m just annoyed at how unreasonable, immature, and annoying they can be. Men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:15 AM
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Yes. “Western men” have become soft in hopes of appeasing women, which has caused women to view them even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:14 AM
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Hard disagree on “traditional masculinity” being ruinous. “Traditional masculinity” is net creative, not destructive: it’s what has built and maintained the society you live in today, making your way of life possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:12 AM
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It says a lot that you interpreted men not giving into every feminist desire as “subjugating women.”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:10 AM
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Women have plenty of options, just like men do: it’s just that they’re not willing to relax their standards. People can want what they want, but there are plenty fish in the sea if you’re not looking to hook an 800-pound swordfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 01:06 AM
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She probably thought it was a harmless joke, but I find it disgusting, trashy, and classless. Imagine a guy holding a sign at a woman’s volleyball match. “Misty, I just got married, but I’d leave her for you. P.S. She’s right here —>” He’d never hear the end of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 12:16 AM
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Not OP, but maybe my reasoning could provide another perspective. We can’t stop people from getting attention. I’m not insecure about that. There’s nothing wrong with taking compliments in stride and feeling good about them. But I’m not interested in dating someone who knowingly encourages such attention and doesn’t maintain certain boundaries. (This is different from being extroverted.) Just my opinion, but I would see this kind of voluntary attention-encouraging behavior as bad form, pointing …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:49 PM
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I’m not going to mess around with someone who knowingly accepts and encourages attention like this from other men and doesn’t maintain certain boundaries. For me, it would be bad form, selfish, and point to one or more character flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:43 PM
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Men and women commit domestic abuse at roughly the same rates. Of course not all men are scumbags, but all people are potential scumbags. I’m going to make sure my daughter knows that. Nevertheless, people do have fears that could be perceived as ‘irrational’ given the objective evidence. And hypocrisy is common.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 05:27 PM
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Sure. Everyone’s preferences and desires are different. While I can admire the drive to be with someone only for love, most people unfortunately are not like that. Good for them, but also I wouldn’t expect someone to be homeless with me — because that’s not what I would personally want for me or them. But it all comes down to commitment, values, and priorities. If they value not having a job and living that way, they can go for it. (Though I wonder how much of their situation is voluntary.)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 04:23 PM
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Then we have differing experiences. I know for a fact every partner I’ve had has talked to her girlfriends about how big I am, how long I lasted, every position we did, what I sounded like, how it was, etc. Whereas none of my guy friends and I when discussing our ‘sexcapades’ went beyond, “Yeah, we hooked up. It was fun man.” “Dude, nice! … hey remember when we all went to that concert together?” Maybe our experiences testify to the nature of your friends and my taste in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:36 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:26 PM
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I wouldn’t call it a “patriarchy,” but I agree with the spirit of your post. Socio-economic organization has always been designed (at least in part) to privilege a particular minority and disadvantage whoever isn’t ’in the club.’ Most people — most men — are not. To utilize the language of progressivism, every social group has differing ‘privileges’ and ‘oppressions.’ These are dependent on sex, gender, family, family name, socio-economic status, education, childhood, historical time and place, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 01:39 AM
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No, they’re not inconsequential. The paternity test is only a fidelity test if the intention of the requester has certain properties. Whether a women perceives it as a fidelity test is logically unrelated to the objective properties which ground the nature of the request. So, some paternity tests are fidelity tests and some aren’t. We can make all the sweeping statements we want, but that doesn’t make them all fidelity tests or not fidelity tests.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 08:09 PM
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That’s a generalization. But there’s a stronger empirical correlation between expression of masculinity and right-leaving political views than the expression of masculinity and left-leaning views. There are always going to be outliers, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 02:47 PM
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Do you watch Hoe_Math?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 02:44 PM
1

Okay. That doesn’t change my answer though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 02:09 PM
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Yeah, but that doesn’t make it good or utilitous.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 02:07 PM
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Yeah, we’re all coming at these views and beliefs from different perspectives and experiences. There is truth and value to be found in generalizations sometimes, but we can easily go overboard.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 01:46 PM
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I don’t care. Some women will look good with them and some bad. It comes down to how it looks, her style and attitude, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 01:42 PM
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It’s a plausible hypothesis. If we went on a date, and then you ghosted me, I think I’d be justified in thinking you ghosted me because the date was bad. Women don’t seem to care about sex as much as men. Many men are just trying to get their rocks off, get that release — a woman being bad in bed in these cases isn’t a problem — and men seem to desire or need women more than vice versa. (Painting in broad strokes here.)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 01:40 PM
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I wouldn’t call them the same. To quote my girlfriend, who I think is right, “Boys are dumb!” Go take a gander at r/GuysBeingDudes. Brohood and sisterhood are different. That being said, whether a particular brohood or sisterhood is toxic is variable, yeah. Some groups of men and women are positive and good, while others aren’t. They’re not monoliths.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 01:39 PM
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Midwest, U.S. 5 years. Yes, we basically split everything 50/50. She spends more on gifts than I do, and I make less money than her. We basically do the ‘you get this one, I’ll get the next one,’ not really making sure it’s completely equal in money spent. She doesn’t plan dates or take me on them, though we do go on dates due to my initiative. She tells me what she would like to do, and she’s happy when I take her there. Yes, she comes from a big gifting family and often spends more on me gift-…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 01:31 PM
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“Mental gymnastics?” I think you missed my point. Clearly the guy you were responding to said what he said because he thought it was untrue and unjust, and you come back with, “So, men call us bad stuff all the time.” Two wrongs don’t make a right. Never once did I say that calling someone a slut will help them. Do you lack reading comprehension, or do you unintentionally read into the posts you respond to? I’ll never know. And for the record, being a judgmental asshole is a character flaw. Grow…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 12:06 AM
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I wouldn’t call someone a slut or a whore. I’m not advocating for calling people names, but calling out injustice. These two things are not always equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 12:04 AM
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I think a lot of men get into relationships and stick in them with women they do initially like and are attracted to. But men have a bad habit of seeing the particular woman they’re dating as a perfect archetype which they idealize in their mind, leading to shattered expectations. But due to the sunk cost fallacy, the difficulty of being alone, the uncertainty of ever being able to have a relationship like that again, and the fact that people change, men stick around when it’s not good for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 12:02 AM
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Feelings are beyond your control, sure, but that’s not what I’m talking about really. There’s a difference between being in love and standing in love. The former is involuntary, and the latter is a choice, a commitment. I wasn’t providing you with reasons to ‘get with’ someone you’re not interested in, but giving you an argument as to why standing in love, the stuff that sustains and deepens relationships, is mutually exclusive with a relationship that is a ‘trap’ and ‘sexless.’ (Someone standin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 11:59 PM
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I don’t think Ozempic will be as impactful as cheap, reliable birth control. We are still reckoning with the consequences of birth control, failing to fully understand them in their breadth and depth. They’ve done insane things for human society. (No, this is not me calling them ‘bad.’)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 11:47 PM
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While I understand what you’re getting at, being in a relationship with someone need not be a “trap,” “loveless,” or “sexless,” regardless of the value you think you have. You have free will. You could love on your partner. You could have sex with them. You could make them feel loved and supported. It’s all a matter of priorities and how willing you are to do these things. I don’t think any man would view a marriage in which his wife put forth a serious effort to do these things as a “trap.”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 08:04 PM
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So, that rhetoric can be incorrect, unjust, and harmful. Yeah, people should cultivate mental fortitude, but there is nothing wrong with calling out bullshit and immoral behavior for the growth of self and other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 05:23 PM
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The issue isn’t black and white. Men and women express more or less solidarity in different domains relative to certain goals. “Men and women” say many things, things which contradict each other on everything under the sun. No one should “believe” men or women full stop without critical thought, reflection, etc. anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 05:26 AM
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I wish I could sell anything. Skill issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 05:22 AM
5

Do you need another source of entertainment in your life though? Is it really ‘helping’ you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 02:26 AM
2

I think there are many users who think interacting here will ‘help’ them in some way. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 02:26 AM
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Do you think that’s good for you and others?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 02:25 AM
1

How are you doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 02:24 AM
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Yeah, people do this in real life too. As for your second point, there are costs and benefits that come with anonymity. I also want ‘authentic’ responses and “actionable” advice, but the vehicle(s) these come in often seem vicious and cause it to spread.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 02:24 AM
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You didn’t grasp my point. None of what you said is relevant to the argument I provided. Asking for a paternity test is not equivalent to an accusation of cheating. The easiest way to see this is to imagine guy doing this while sleep talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 02:14 AM
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I’m not sure. I would like to say that I would, but I am not as strong as I would like to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 02:10 AM
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In a way, yes. Your mistake is associating with these arrogant dunces (if you can help it).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 01:48 AM
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The West. I quite enjoy the opportunities and privileges I have — and I am used to them. Though I think our society is missing what Erich Fromm calls ‘primary bonds,’ I have the ability to live the life I want to, whether that includes ending up with a wife or not. I would love to have a wife and kids some day, but I’m not going to despair if it doesn’t happen due to the erosion of values, critical thinking, and compassion and the increase in hedonism, closed-mindedness, and narcissism the West …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/24 01:44 AM
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I disagree with your conclusion. We are not all toxic. Pursuing one’s self-interest is not necessarily toxic. There is a fact of the matter about what is true and about what serves humanity as well. Doing what is moral and virtuous, and expecting that of others, is simply objectively better, (I would argue) more rational, and more utilitous than cultivating social status, wealth, political power, etc. But I agree (somewhat) with the spirit of your conclusion: people nowadays are not as moral, ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 03:19 PM
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I wouldn’t frame the issue as men being “more eager,” but having a stronger desire for the other. I’m not “eager” to date and get laid, but I do want my partner more than she wants me. It would seem this is one of the primary things giving rise to dating and relationship woes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 12:40 PM
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No, he said “to a degree.” I can’t read OP’s mind, but it seems like he believes that there are many men and women out there who are not valid in their complaints about the other. Are you saying all men and women are valid in their complaints about the other..?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 12:39 PM
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For your final question, do you think that there isn’t such a thing as ‘what it means to be a woman?’ Or are you just questioning OP’s conception of womanhood? It’s obvious to me that there is such a thing as ‘female nature’ or ‘what it means to be a woman,’ just as there is ‘male nature,’ the essence of a chair, what it means to be an octopus, and so on, though it may be difficult to elucidate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 12:36 PM
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What’s my goal in this scenario? To validate her experience? Correct her? Share a funny human moment? I’m gonna go with E: “Yep, it can be.” Then we’d continue what we were doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 05:54 PM
1

What’s “moids looks?”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 05:43 PM
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I don’t perceive this merely as “being angry at honesty.” Some maybe are upset because the truth hurts. Some maybe are upset because they’re insecure. Etc. But there’s another reason people may get upset about things like this. When people see vice and undignified and/or immoral behavior expressed, they don’t like that, because they don’t want people to behave or be treated that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 05:11 PM
0

So you think that’s too much time? Or do you think that’s too much time for this particular hobby?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 01:50 PM
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Yep. As is the case for almost anything people get upset about other people for, it’s not the thing itself but what lies behind the thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 01:49 PM
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Actions have consequences. Many women would be upset at such a request. Their reaction is logically unrelated to the objective nature of the request itself (I.e. whether it is an accusation or not).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 01:47 PM
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You are correct in stipulating that requesting a paternity test means that one has sufficient doubts about the fidelity of their partner. But you are incorrect in claiming that such a request is equivalent to “accusing her of cheating on you.” Requests are not sufficient alone to rise to the level of “accusation.” If you actually thought so, you’d think all requests validating someone’s character are accusations, but you don’t. I needed a background check for my job and fingerprinting. Was the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 01:43 PM
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Clearly some people are triggered. Read the responses here. Why the deflection? He’s positing a thought experiment. Yes, people should have their own bank accounts. Men cannot know with certainty they are the father of their children without a paternity test. There’s no debating this. Whether or not it’s a “guessing game” is debatable depending on how you’ve defined that word. We do not know with certainty the rates of paternity fraud either. And men have spoken up. Just because you haven’t seen…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 02:17 AM
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Maybe some of the worries. I wouldn’t call it an obsession though. The fact of the matter is that we do not know with certainty how much paternity fraud there is — and men will always be in the dark about being the father of their children at first. Seems rational to me to be concerned about that if you do have reason to doubt the kid is yours — and men are asking for these tests because they do have such reason. (Whether that reason is ultimately justifiable is another question.)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 02:13 AM
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But women are hiding go-bags from their husbands. Are those husbands justified in feeling hurt or not? Should they view such things as accusations of their character?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 02:10 AM
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Men can, and they should, but if your logic is universalizable then men can say the same things about women who choose bad men. “I am once again asking why women can’t filter for this compatibility up front instead of acting like they’re victims of their own decision not to vet.” Wanna bite that bullet? People are shortsighted. People can be lied to. People aren’t perfect. We should have empathy for victims of abuse and men of paternity fraud — while also pointing out lessons and mistakes they s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 02:07 AM
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No, the men asking for these tests do not know the facts, no more than women do who ask for STI tests. That’s the whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 02:05 AM
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People are free to say almost anything they want. Now, does that make what they say moral? Obviously not. People make justifiable claims all the time about what people can and should be thinking and feeling relative to standards of morality, rationality, etc. But for some reason you think this is out-of-bounds in this scenario because..? Such a request could indeed destroy a relationship. No one is advocating for slamming women with paternity tests out of the blue for “no reason.” It’s that men …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 02:00 AM
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Financial security gives women more freedom, yes, I think that’s a good thing. But what does that have to do directly the post?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:11 PM
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Not yet..! Let’s say I’m older than mid-twenties but younger than mid-thirties.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 03:49 PM
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I’m not gay, but slightly older men seem more attractive than a guy in his early 20s, especially in our current age where the vast majority of men in their 20s look like teenagers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 11:47 AM
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Not a bad test. But birds of a feather do flock together, too. Someone may have friends, but they may all be toxic losers — and some toxic losers can be good (initially) at hiding who/what they are. Observation, and asking the right questions, is key. What people are most likely to run into though is someone with some issues who has friends who also have some issues. Our evolving socio-economic and technological landscape filled with processed foods, social media, perverse incentives, toxic envi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 03:07 AM
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Do you think this tends to be a gendered attitude? If the roles were reversed in the example, do you think more people would be saying she was raped or assaulted?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:27 AM
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Does that ‘no’ need to be verbal though? I wouldn’t try to have sex with someone I didn’t get verbal confirmation from, but one of the complexities of relationships is that so much communication is non-verbal. I wouldn’t encourage people to act on non-verbal communication alone, but would they be doing something wrong if they did or just unwise? Depends on whether ‘consent’ is actually given, I’d suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:26 AM
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I would consider it voluntary, but perhaps you don’t think it’s a “free” choice. There is a distinction in philosophy made between these.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:22 AM
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You’ve read into the scenario that she knows he doesn’t want to. I didn’t post that. So, let’s say she doesn’t know: does that change anything for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:21 AM
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That was my intuition as well, but people here don’t like it, as evidenced by all the downvotes I’m getting for asking questions and trying to understand people’s positions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:20 AM
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Because I don’t think merely asking someone to have sex a few times is abuse — that’s why. You added “repeatedly” to the scenario, not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:18 AM
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I’m sure I could think of one, but I understand your position: the nature of the activity sets it apart from other things people might do to ‘smooth things over.’
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:17 AM
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I wouldn’t be turned on either. If it’s not immoral, it still doesn’t seem ‘right.’
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:16 AM
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You wouldn’t deny that even one man who loses his job due to a false accusation is a travesty though, right? Teasing aside, have you noticed people have in general gotten more sensitive over the last few decades or no? Linking to the thought experiment I provided, I don’t think a lot of people would consider it coercive in the past — but is that because they just didn’t have the knowledge, words, or understanding necessary to perceive it as wrong or other factors too?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:13 AM
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Well I always make sure to beat my girlfriend if she doesn’t listen — are you seriously saying there’s something wrong with that?!1!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:13 AM
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I wouldn’t want to, but based on what I’ve experienced in my life this scenario is really common. You’d say then that in all of these instances if someone is motivated to have sex with another to ‘keep things going smoothly’ it’s coerced?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:12 AM
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Certainly there are men you are not of afraid of though, right? While a scrawny, ‘harmless’ guy is doing something troubling and cringey by constantly asking, would you say you always perceive such insistence as a “threat?”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:10 AM
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Sunny reference?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:08 AM
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I agree there’s a difference between law and what’s moral or immoral. I think the things you’ve listed can range from less than ideal to definitely immoral. Would the act’s being more or less morally wrong depend for you on whether the woman in this scenario knew her husband didn’t really want it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 02:08 AM
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“I knew my libtard sister’s hatred of porn was unjustified!1!!1!!”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 01:44 AM
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It seems to me that men and women have different privileges and disadvantages at different stages of dating and relationships. But yeah, a lot of people have a hard time accepting the truth because it hurts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:57 PM
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Are you asking for a causal story or wondering about how/why people could think this is morally justifiable?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:56 PM
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I’m a philosophy professor interested in discussing ideas and the truth. Thinking and working through problems and concepts is what I find enjoyment in and what I do for a living. (I don’t want anything other than enthusiastic consent.) I’m not interested in rape apologetics, but uncovering the proper descriptive analysis for regular occurrences like these. I’m not prescribing this behavior to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:54 PM
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I don’t think it’s too high of a standard, but I think occurrences like this happen every day, which is why I put the scenario to y’all. Does the common reality of this scenario to you mean there’s a lot of assault happening that we didn’t previously recognize as assault? Or are you (justly) criticizing what the wife does because it falls short of the ideal form of love and care in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:52 PM
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I’m not interested in “justifying” anything. I won’t have sex with my girlfriend if she doesn’t want to. I’m just interested in the truth, being that head-in-the-clouds philosophy professor I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:50 PM
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Interesting distinction. I might agree with you. Maybe. But can you explain why you think this is “abuse?” Seems like a strong word to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 09:50 PM
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