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It didn't. Legal Equality only became available to the bulk of working-class women after the 19th century. I'm sorry are you making the argument that women before legal equality were not de facto economically required to marry? Especially considering that lack of legal equality meant they could not use banking? A few women may have been able to get by, but by and large it was not economically feasible for any given woman to be able to live on their own, and that had a lot more to do with the law…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 11:00 PM
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do you think this is because Africans are stupid…talk about cultural imperialism Whoa man. The level of intellectual dishonesty in this accusation. Nah, medical changes and changes are sociocultural changes, not biological ones lmao. Also this would make more sense as an argument if legal equality had not preceded women’s ability to lead independent lives. Additionally, women do not get pregnant in a vacuum, their being forced into marriage and near-chattel ownership by men (including the idea t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 06:16 PM
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This is absurd, primarily because marriage came into being long after the biological structures of pregnancy and child birth came into being. Additionally, women have not changed biologically, yet their marriage requirement has been almost eliminated merely by decreasing legal and societal discrimination against them. And again you didn’t present any reason why the idea of a class is not real, merely take it as a premise that it isn’t. You’re begging the question. A class is a sociopolitically d…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:17 PM
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I never argue that A and B are impossible, merely that they aren’t useful for treating TRP as a cogent belief system.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:34 AM
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Yes I am counting on both A and B to be true. In fact I think they are the biggest ways to dissuade people from TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:25 AM
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Tsk tsk. Blowing up the dam does not mean oppression but direct action. It’s just that given this dam that’s what it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:58 AM
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There’s gotta be an artful way to say “in my dong, yeah”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:51 AM
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Okay man, if you want to believe I wanna oppress men, the gender I both belong to and love, that’s your prerogative. But I am making an argument about the way that value judgements creat oughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:48 AM
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Ah that’s where you’re wrong, I am the red king
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:42 AM
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What.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:42 AM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:41 AM
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Do you know how to reply to a comment babe? And no the ogre in my analogy is not TRP, it’s women, but okay. My claim is that if I talk about the problems with the ogre, the solution is not to run away or steal food but removing the obstacle introduced by the ogre. Likewise TRP implies the solution of removing the obstacles created by the “ogre” of women’s sexual agency :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:40 AM
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Sounds like a you problem babe
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:31 AM
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Do you really think that the idea that N-count in itself devalue a woman is so covert that I need to be a conspiracy theory to see it? Jeez.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:20 AM
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I’m saying that when you admit that your movement prominently features the words “enjoy the decline” that this assigns relative value to before and now. Are you in a postion to deny this fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:14 AM
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Look if you think that the discussion on n-count in TRP is about how it is representative of other issues and not an issue in itself, I seriously don’t think we can resolve this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:09 AM
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I think I just adopt a perspective on what it means to solve an issue. Say if an ogre dams the river that waters the crops my village depends on, I can steal food from the ogre. That does not solve the issue. My entire village con move elsewhere. That does not solve it either chief. The solution is to blow the damn dam.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 04:05 AM
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When they describe that change as a decline—a transition from a higher place to a lower place—you want me to believe that they do not assign a moral value to that change or to either state? Lmao. Just take the L
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:59 AM
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Or like someone elsewhere in this thread “i don’t like women I just think they shouldn’t get to choose things inconvenient for me personally”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:56 AM
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Herein the cryptic musings of the cornered It’s this hard to admit the value judgements encoded in the premises of TRP huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:54 AM
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Nono I don’t hate women. I would compare them to my favorite character from the bible and he was a very pretty angel once.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:53 AM
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Yeah wait until the people who say “women are hypergamous sluts who lose all of their value at 30” complete what they mean by that. Otherwise you’re just grasping at straws. Ffs man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:52 AM
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You’re not really hearing me out. The relative position of women in society made it just about impossible for the vast majority them to guarantee a comfortable living for themselves baring marriage. This created a de facto requirement to marry for a lot of women. Second, you can’t just defame marxism as an argument. That hasn’t addressed the substantive question of whether women are a class. That’s just whining about who believes it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:51 AM
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Nah fam. It’s not about divining. It’s about looking through the premises of the argument and completing the syllogism.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:44 AM
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err did you read the comment you responded to. It’s all about the changes in the world that made things harder in the dating world for men. It does not adopt a negative position towards feminism, but are you going to tell me that this position is not commonly found in TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:43 AM
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I have not been given any reason to believe that my paraphrase is incorrect. The fact that women have nothing to offer but their looks has been offered in this thread. Hypergamy is an obvious element and so is promiscuity. What am I to believe that TRP does not assign moral value to women’s “n-count”? Read this community. Am I to believe that TRO doesn’t believe women’s main contribution is their looks? Read about “the wall”. I think you’re focusing on the fact that it is paraphrased because you…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:38 AM
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Just lurk this thread, I have litigated these objections endlessly
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:34 AM
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I’m not saying that denying people acknowledgement is the path. But rather that it’s not really about acknowledgement is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:33 AM
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“Decline” encodes a value judgement, even if you do not seek change it it encodes and “ought” Keep trying to weasel out of that though. Change it, don’t change it. That doesn’t mean your view does not encode a belief about how society ought to be. Also if you’re gonna argue that TRP (not you) does not believe that women are “hypergamous sluts” err. I have seen your forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:29 AM
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Not really saving that yikes moment if I’m honest chap.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:27 AM
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Oh but let’s not be dishonest. Does TRP not include beliefs that some men struggle more than they did before? That men might have to work harder than they once did? That men can no longer easily access the women that were once theirs to have (their “looksmatch”).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:26 AM
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I think that you can’t escape from the way “decline” is a value judgement that implies the way things ought to be. Even if TRP were to discourage you from actualizing that ideal state, by calling something a decline it encodes what that state would be. And also, frankly I’ll repeat what I said elsewhere on this thread. If you need to believe that women are hypergamous sluts to improve yourself, that’s a harsher indictment of you than I could ever make.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:20 AM
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Oh straight women have some shit to them too. But god does it pale in comparison to how much straight men hate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:17 AM
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Sheesh
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:17 AM
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I’m sorry do you think I am somehow incorrectly paraphrasing TRP ideology in there? I do enjoy your posturing of rationality by googling my quote. Is it because you can’t actually contend with the fact that it’s an accurate representation of beliefs espoused in this very thread. I’m not judging you for it. I know the aesthetics of reason are more friendly than actual reason. Wait no, yeah, I’m judging you for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:16 AM
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The premises of TRP are no individualist, it’s suggestions are. TRP encodes a belief about the dynamics between broader groups in society. This you cannot deny. TRP’s overt solutions are individualist. Do this, think this. But there’s a reason many RPers end up in the tradwife rhetoric,
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:11 AM
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That’s not what I believe, love. I think that the way the problem is posed by TRP implies a solution. I don’t even believe it’s actually a problem in need of a solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:09 AM
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The problem is that you can derive value judgements from value judgements. If you can’t see the value judgement in “women are hypergamous sluts who overestimate their own value and leave average men in the dirt inly to then lament because they have nothing to offer except their now faded youthful looks” Well uh. Maybe learn some critical reading?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:08 AM
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Wdo you hear often when women are asked what they rate themselves “I’m a 10” Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:06 AM
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Depends on the is. The statement “murder is wrong” implies “people ought not to murder”. Value judgements always imply oughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:59 AM
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Can you imagine hating the objects of your desire? Think about how sad that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:58 AM
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What. Babe, I think you’re confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:58 AM
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I don’t know what to tell ya. I think if you cannot see the ideological statements made not within the fringes of TRP but from its core, I don’t know how to get you to snap out of it and regard them for the ideology that they constitute. In other words, I don’t know how to take you to take the redpill
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:57 AM
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I never said that women should be compelled to marry i never said that you did. But this was reality for a long long time babe. That was part of the institution, and that’s why feminists are so critical of it. women aren’t a class Uh what does class mean to you. Because to me a class of people is any substantive sociopolitical identity. For example farmers are a class. Nothing stops biological categories from being classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:55 AM
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I haven’t stopped considering your position because I don’t want to litigate it. I consider it, it saddens me, and I move on. I don’t owe you to litigate your beliefs. The differences in our premises are insurmountable. I will not attempt to surmount them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:49 AM
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The one thing is how, go look at TRP spaces and comments under RP media. See how quickly you find a comment to the tune of “our first mistake was giving women rights”. This is not random, this is because of how this view is encoded within TRP beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:46 AM
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I think that treating marriage as wholly misogynistic would be too simple. But you seem to be equivocating the existence of marriage with the compulsory nature of marriage. Making it so that marriage is required for women to participate in society is misogynistic, no way around that babe. For some women it was good to marry, and marriage is not all bad. But for women as a class being dependent on marriage to survive was a structure of oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:44 AM
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I’m sorry I can’t take any “points” you’re making seriously. I can’t convince you to see value in the humanity of others, nor will I attempt to. I don’t hope to present a rebuttal to you, we differ in some premises I don’t care to litigate. It just gets me sad to read the way you talk about the objects of your desire. It’s just all too tragic to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:40 AM
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the market videogames investment How tragic
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:30 AM
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Yes thank you, your deep loathing of women has been noted.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:27 AM
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It may not matter to you, but I deeply pity this approach to desire. Truly desire is greatest, more pure, more burning when it is directed towards people in all their complexities, not despite their flaws and wills but because of it. To loathe the object of your desire so much that their agency is an inconvenience to you is pitiable par nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:24 AM
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Within a serf household, did a man hold more power over a woman? Were they equals in their household? Within an artisan household did a man hold more power over a woman? Were they equals in their household? Within a lordly household did the lord hold more power over the lady? Were they equals in their household? Power intersects.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:21 AM
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I just recognize the human’s free will and rights get in the way of getting what I want. How tragic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:15 AM
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Why should women oblige to your request? How do you expect that they do?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:52 AM
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How tragic, that you think so little of the objects of your desire that you think machines can replace them. I can often tell heterosexual men desire women but deeply loathe them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:51 AM
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I’m dismissing your argument because It relies on tu quoque It pretends as though acknowledgement is the end goal of progressive causes. Spoiler: it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:30 AM
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Nobody is telling you not to get your shit together. There’s many sets of beliefs that can motivate you to do so. And TRP encodes beliefs that are pretty crappy. If you need to believe women are hypergamous sluts to work on yourself, well I think that’s quite a harsh indictment of you, not of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:19 AM
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It’s a simple point, I cited something like removing women’s right to vote. And this user cited that feminists want to remove men’s rights too, like they complain that men make the majority Of congress and want to take that away. You can read their original response. But those are not comparable. Feminists don’t want to legally enforce congressional balance, they want to promote it via campaigning and voting. They want to persuade other people to thinking of balanced representation as good.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:17 AM
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Eh well, yes they do. Basic human dignity, due process, a name and identity. I think most people agree everyone deserves those.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:11 AM
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Men do not in fact have a right, and entitlement to be a majority in congress to the extent that not being a majority would be a violation of any right.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:10 AM
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but what about the left. Dismissed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:04 AM
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They’re most decidedly not the same. You have the right to be a candidate for congress, but you are not entitled by that right to hold the occupation. If it were the case, losing an election would be a violation of your rights. You have the right to a possibility of being in congress, not the right to be in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:04 AM
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I just tagged you about one thing, this person (in the thread where you made your semantics accusation) is clearly confounding the right to run and the right to be in congress. How is making a distinction between the two unwarranted?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 12:48 AM
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You can see many people in this very thread denying that TRP has any discussion of solutions for society. But spend any time in TRP areas and you'll get the "women should have never been allowed to vote" stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 12:08 AM
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I mean, it's wild to me that this post is being received as though I'm not being critical of TRP. To me the fact that TRP is such a lead up to jettisoning women's rights is among the harshest indictments of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:26 PM
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Of course. What I mean is that if I believe that you only get elected by stealing elections, one answer is to learn how to steal election but it implies the solution that it should not be allowed to steal an election. That said in this analogy I'd be in the camp that the elections are more fair than they appear to their critics.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:25 PM
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I'm sorry but the making of a child takes more than one single choice. Women get an additional layer of choice based on the simple premise that they have an additional physical burden.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:23 PM
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Bad attempt at a gotcha, try harder next time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:11 PM
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it suggests that women should the same rights as men. Which rights specifically? If you just say women should not be judged on what they attracts them That's not what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:11 PM
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So why is the man paying child support ? Do you think that single mothers don't have to do work or pay for their own children?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:10 PM
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Since codified is a fancy way to say written down That's probably a fair point/ "encode" is a better word.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:09 PM
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Great counterpoint Ben Shapiro. You want me to make a counterargument for "men see reality as it is because they're logical unlike girls" I'm sorry man, I won't debase myself trying to treat that as an argument worthy of consideration. No, woman do that because a majority of them have nothing else to offer. This is what TRP does to you. You think that because you see women as valuable only because of their attractiveness that they don't have more to offer. No one demands every woman be a virgin …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:08 PM
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Men look at dating that way because that's how men view the world in more quantitative way than women. Suuure lmao. Please enlighten me of the main stream demands for woman that are not literally the most basic qualities of a descent human being? Purity culture and the degree to which culture assigns sexual desirability as women's only value for a start.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 10:12 PM
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And that is as much of an indictment as anyone could ever make.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:32 PM
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Nothing would indicate that this disparity carried over into the last century.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:31 PM
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No argument is made without assumptions. In my case I want to look at the premises advanced by TRP and the conclusions implied in those premises
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:26 PM
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Is it worse than not making an argument at all? Very much so. Okay, but that's again just your opinion. Case in point. Better to just be silent and admit you have no response than to let a clunker like this one out into the world babe.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:24 PM
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woman clearly have an advantage in the dating market, the demand for woman is far higher than the demand for men. I don't see it that way. Because the thing is, I think that simply talking baout dating and relationships as a matter of demand for commodities is the first mistake that RPers make. And they make it from their perspective of their desire for women. My experience talking to women places them in their own version of a non-desirable position in the dating market. Suffice to say, for men…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:23 PM
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STOP CONFUSING REDPILLERS AND BLACKPILLERS! BLAKCPILLERS ARE THE ONES WHO WANT A RETURN TO THE OLD TRAD WAYS Blackpillers overtly want a return to the trad ways, but this is just because this desire is the logical conclusion of the shared premises between blackpillers and RPers. The latter are simply more focused on getting what they want at present.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:19 PM
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I can't believe I have to keep saying this. I know they don't advocate for a solution. That's why I use the word imply and covert. I am sorry I have litigated this dozens of times in this thread already.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:16 PM
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Again I think the genetic info is simply too spotty to give any credence to. And again I'd like to remind you that just about everyone claiming genetic differences always ends up claiming them in a way aligned with their pre existing cultural beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:15 PM
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I have no objections there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:13 PM
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Seems like a far cry from that 40% claim that our dear /u/laytheblameonluck argued for without evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:12 PM
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the culture norms of putting woman on a pedestal to stop Right, the issue is that I don't see women on a pedestal, I see them around the same place as men. So fundamentally it's not about removing them from a pedestal, but putting them back down in the second class. This culture tells woman that their mate should accept them no matter their choices or abilities. Lmao we do not live in the same culture, clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:12 PM
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What social change do you see them covertly advocating for? I see them covertly arguing against societal ideas about women's participation in society in both in the workforce and in politics. Primarily the thought is that this sort of independence has made them less dependent on marriage for survival and therefore more willing to live a non-monogamous lifestyle which has made the dating world rather difficult for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:10 PM
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Because you're idealogical I suspect or not that well read. Oh god I don't want to do that thing where someone on the internet corrects spelling but it's really funny that you did on a sentence accusing me of being poorly read. The government doesn't regulate women's domestic arrangements. Oh my god. I guess when you don't have a response, you make an argument this bad? Welcome to hear an example of such a field that changed status. I never said anything about changing status. I mentioned women'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:09 PM
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I mean look, you're extremely insistent on this whole essentialist reading. I don't think the facts that you are given for granted are facts. They are contingent on premises that are flimsy at best and yikesy at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:06 PM
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RPers are not advocating for social reform/change as far as I know. Overtly? Of course not. That's what I mean by implied. As in, the last part of the syllogism is left as an exercise for the reader.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:02 PM
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This isn't about "hate". Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:01 PM
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Well one point was at least not to believe something without evidence. I did look up your claim, and I can't see any article that supports it outright, just RPers mentioning it in several threads across the internet. If it's true that throughout all of history only 40% of men reproduced, how would I go about finding that out that out?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:00 PM
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I don't expect most RPers would agree with the conclusions I think RP implies. I think in fact, that is a reason why this conclusion is rather overt, if it were presented as the logical conclusion of those beliefs I believe it is, the movement would struggle attracting people who are uncompromising in their being libertarian or believing in equality. I don't think this stuff is beyond the scope of RP, I think it is beyond its spotlight. I think beliefs about women's rights are not able to be dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:56 PM
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There is every reason to believe that genetic differences between races and genders contribute significantly to actual differences in behavior and results. I haven't seen any evidence that races are stable genetic categories. That they even exist as a genetic group. Between genders, again the extent to which genetic differences create statistically different results (as opposed to environmental differences) is questionable. So expecting every race and gender to be, on a genetic basis, perfectly …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:53 PM
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Only 40% of men in history successfully reproduced, whereas 80% of women did. That's a big citation needed from me chief. Besides the previous state of affairs is generally alluded to be within the last century, not like prehistory.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:50 PM
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I understand that. What you don't seem to see is that ideology is like jazz, it's about the notes you don't play. Treating the Red Pill as a set of cogent beliefs about he world, I see how it brings an impetus on men to act one way or another, but I also see the way it draws value judgements on broader structures in society. Ones that carry bigger implication than any overt argument made by RPers
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:49 PM
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Evolution simply suggests that the default assumption is always some degree of inequality There's no reason to believe that observed inequalities are genetic and not environmental. And that genetic individuals differences do not cancel out across certain groups. Both of these assumptions have been at the core of, well, quite some dicey stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:38 PM
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I don't think TRP overtly advocates such a thing. But TRP beliefs about women's sexual strategy encode value judgements about the morality of such strategy, even if their focus is not on changing the strategy but working with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:36 PM
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Gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:32 PM
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I am well aware of what TRP purports to do. It is mostly overtly about teaching men how to get the outcomes they desire. The question is what this worldview is staked on and how it draws implicit value judgemetns about the state of affairs (especially compared to past states of affairs)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:32 PM
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Let's reason through it. Jimmy grows up in a time where women never became executives. Jimmy grows up to become a high ranking executive and hire other executives. He sees many candidates and among them is a woman. On his decision bears her experience, her behavior during the interview, her qualifications and skills, sure. But also on his decision bears the ideas from the culture he was socialized into, a culture where it was unthinkable that a woman may reach the post he is hiring for. You woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:30 PM
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Sexual agency isn't the problem. Women's rights are the problem. Yes, I am well aware that TRP is hostile to women's rights. Thanks. That was a typo, it's only right I amend my comment
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:27 PM
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I think a lot of premises here are with exploring (and rejecting. Our current structures, combined with human nature, cannot handle it. Presenting human nature as stable and objectively knowable: fraught. almost religious faith, that all groups have equal inherent capabilities, particularly when everything we know about evolution tells us to expect otherwise. Using evolution to justify differences in inherent capabilities between groups: yikes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:25 PM
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I don't know if you are presenting that as some kind of beneficial alternative, but if you would, that would make you a theocrat at the least and an axe in a bundle of logs at the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:22 PM
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because there is no "generational oppression" Uh yes there is. I reject this premise going into your argument. Generational oppression in the case of women is how modes of thinking created during the times of women's oppression endure in the present, creating biases against women in politics, the household and the workplace.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:21 PM
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I close my eyes and I see an axe in a bundle of logs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:19 PM
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The literature shows this. Read it. There's a time I would argue with people like you, but I probably never convinced a single feminist. Give me the evidence. The literature I've read does not show that all factors affecting men and women as a class cancel out in their professional success leading to the current differences being entirely left to Merit. Briefly though, household chores have nothing to do with pay in the workplace. Yes they do. Household chores affect the labor load on women, mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:09 PM
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I also jump to this implied solution on the basis of the nostalgia they express for a previous state of affairs that included these elements.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:07 PM
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I think it is remarkable that the red pill apparently means one cannot understand words like "covert" or "implied", considering how many people have said this exact thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:05 PM
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I personally am very reluctant to introduce equality of outcome thinking or policies to our current Western democratic models. The issue is that on some level you are forced to accept that the status quo is meritocratic if you are unwilling to accept that inequality of outcome is caused by inequality of opportunity. I don't think mosts feminists are about equality of all outcomes (only at least of outcomes like being able to feed yourself, have a roof over your head, get an education) but rather…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:04 PM
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Red Pill makes normative claims about men but it makes value judgements about the choices of women. Those value judgements have implied solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:02 PM
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You misunderstand, the state literally forbids parties to have unequal numbers of men and women candidates. That isn't a party-specific choice Party candidatures have never been democratic. Again, it's either meaningless or a antidemocratic. It really isn't, it's a principle which others can be convinced to vote along. The change happened for other reasons mostly. Such as?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:59 PM
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This is not a reality under which I would classify the constant condemnation of women by RPers as private feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:58 PM
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I have not seen any proof that the systemic forces that affect the pay of men and women cancel out. Also the asymmetric division of household chores is statistic, the idea that young married women are considered a liability is statistic, the devaluation of certain women's fields is statistic. I don't know what your accusation is even based on more than just some vague appeal to 'statistics" as though it were "facts and logic"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:57 PM
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It denies her the absolute sovereignty she has over her own body.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:55 PM
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Feminists did. For instance, in France, Sweden and other countries they have mandatory gender-quotas for political parties. Political party postings have never ever been democratic. Most internal positions in a party are unelected. Even if we took that as true, it's a vague assertion with no obvious bearing on this debate. No human right doctrine asserts a criteria of democracy that supports your argument. I haven't posited it as a right but a belief about the way Democracy ought to be. I don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:54 PM
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Oh TRP believes that women's right to sleep with whomever they please and reject whomever they please) is on some level wrong or unfair to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:51 PM
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Black people considerably bear a greater history of oppression than women. But your presumption that this implies that women cannot be oppressed as a result is a false dichotomy. Women could not vote, could not open bank accounts on their own, could not access tertiary education, could not run for office, could not access many, many professions, could not inherit, and could be legally raped by their spouses. There's no running away from any of these.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:50 PM
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The spectra of identity are potentially infinite. Err, yes, that's why we're not trying to be perfect. Just better than we are now. And then they gave everyone one vote. Yeah but then they gerrymandered that vote to have less impact if you live in neighborhood with too many black people. Truly the "classical liberal" appeal to the "individual" is a fiction upon which the group dynamics of modern society are played against in much of western dmeocracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:47 PM
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I know what research you speak of, but consider for example the way that, say, young married women are considered a maternal leave liability and are less likely to be hired. Consider the asymmetric division of household chores even in families where both spouses work, consider the devaluation of certian "women's fields" This topic alone requires far more in depth discussion, but suffice to say you are missing quite a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:46 PM
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I'm not sure what exactly you're asking for an example of, there are a couple claims in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:41 PM
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Men have the right to be in congress and it’s absolute fair that they have an asymmetric power. Men have the right to run for congress, not to be in it. /u/iamprosciutto this is why the distinction is important, note how it's being misued here comparing the right to hold more seats in congress than women to the right of bodily autonomy. Women favoring female-led business because they are led by females is sexism. I think "because they are led by females" is missing a premise. "Because they belie…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:40 PM
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Women don't face "historical oppression" Considering women's bodily just took a significant hit I am content with labeling this a straight lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:32 PM
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No structural critique of a system exists without implied solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:31 PM
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It's about the implied solutions to their views and their nostalgia for an earlier state of affairs where women's rights were lessser.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:30 PM
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How do we break a multi-gender, multi-ethnic democracy into groups? That's a fantastic question. It is an unresolved problem within this view, but not a fatal one I reckon. I think it's never going to be perfect, but I think it's generally about proportionality accross all spectra of identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:30 PM
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Any system where you push women candidates to the top is not democratic by definition. Nobody proposed installing women in power. Merely achieving so via campaigning and voting. Democracy has nothing to do with your desire for proportionality in outcome It does, actually. Democracy is extrapolated not just to a simple belief in voluntary voting but in the belief that people hold the legitimacy of the state. I don't care about your electoral reform beliefs as they're irrelevant. They're a direct …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:28 PM
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I don't know when the absolute method for determining merit and resolving ocunterfactuals in society was invented for such a statement to be proven false
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:26 PM
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And TRP complains about sexual power being shared unequally within a democracy Sexual power is about access to people's bodies, over which individuals are sovereign. This power is absolute, asymmetrical and tyrannical. Nothing short of that is virtuous or fair. I’m just rewording your argument You're labeling it as sexism, that's not a reword. The dishonesty. And feminists do want women to have more rights and privileges than men Such as? So were the vast majority of men. All black men in the US…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:24 PM
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I'm sorry it's hard to truly elaborate on all my beliefs with complete depth in every single comment thread under this thread. Why would she need testicles and light skin in order to represent her fellow countrymen? I haven't treated that as an impossibility. It more has to do with the limits of empathy, how personal experience with an issue allows you to better understand its realities.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:22 PM
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For one thing, you should note that I can't give you a perfect description of feminist belief here. I simply can't answer to all comments here with all required depth. Issues caused by the imbalance of power include the previously mentioned lack of access to banking, professions etc. that were resolved by the aqcuisition of power by women. A more modern example is bodily autonomy and abortion. Why, if it continues the status quo? Because I believe the status quo to be in part because of imbalanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:20 PM
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men going their own way
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:42 PM
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It has shifted, but the distorted TRP perspective that sex is the most important tthing in the world is just an illusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:42 PM
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I believe as a matter of principle that the demographics of a ruling bbody should resemble the demographics of those it rules over. Not perfectly, but at least to some level of fidelity. It currently does not. I would like everyone to go out and vote more. Ask me what my beliefs are about electoral reform.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:41 PM
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I think your analysis is entirely too shallow if you are not asking the system by which some choices lead to certain outcomes, and whether that is changeable or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:39 PM
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If you believe that the issue in and of itself is that men in charge, like I asked. Then it seems you would be OK with the current state of affairs in terms of geopolitics, as long it was women doing it. This is such a distortion of my argument. No. I believe the asymmetry is an issue, not the only issue. can't believe I have to state that. I can believe more than one thing is wrong with the current state of affairs. I don't agree that if Trump or Biden was a woman and their administration membe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:38 PM
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You want women to have the right to win more elections? No. I want them to win them but not to be entitled to victory. I would campaign and vote for them. Voting for somebody because of their genitals is just dumb, and it goes against your meritocracy argument from earlier Meritocracy is one component for representative democracy. Another component is the "representative" bit. I believe that the ruling body of a democratic society should represent the demographics of the people it rules over.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:36 PM
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MGTOW is about a solution for an individual's problems by disengaging. That's what I mean
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:30 PM
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I'm saying that the implied solutions are a return to an earlier state of affairs where women's rights were lesser. While your solution is possible it is not encoded within the rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:30 PM
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What sort of accountability do you want women to have exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:28 PM
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No I don't. I think that their worldview logically concludes those laws are a necessity to even the sexual playing field even if they do not overtlyy advocate for them..
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:27 PM
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You're splitting hairs on whether somebody has a right to run for congress versus a right to win a congressional seat when you know the other person was refering to the right to have a chance at winning. No they weren't, and if they were it would be irrelevant. Because feminists have never talked baout anyone's right to have a chance. Feminists only talk about their desire to have more women winning elections, which is not an infirgement of the chance of men to win elections.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:26 PM
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Conversely, feminists shouldn’t complain that more men and winning elections as it doesn’t infringe on their rights Feminists don't complain about that because it infringes rights, but because it leads to power being shgared unequally within a democracy. So you’re solution to perceived sexism is more sexism? Bad faith. And feminists want to lockup all men. I too can make strawmen Lol. You act as though TRP is not full of nostalgic wishing for the times when women were just about forced to marry …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:25 PM
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That's exactly what affirmative action is. I think affirmative action is the correction to forcing women to be less succesful.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:22 PM
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Relative to a democratic framework where balance ought to be distributed, yes, asymmetrical power holding is a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:21 PM
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Yes correct, I think that the only structural solution to the problems raised by TRP is dehumanization, and that's (part of the reason) why I oppose it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:20 PM
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This is about implied solutions as opposed to overtly proposed solutions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:19 PM
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I haven’t made a single point about the definition of a word. “Arguing semantics” is not a debate trump card
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:06 PM
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I don't think it's worth replying to you if you're so hellbent on distorting what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:00 PM
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I agree with you that true meritocracy is impossible. But I generally believe that there exists a spectrum within imperfect meritocracy wherein it is possible to have a more meritocratic system than we do now. Also believe you me I have problems with intergenerational wealth and exploitation of the masses.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:00 PM
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Since human history has been marked by the asymmetrical holding of power by men over women, the solution to that is logically asymmetrical.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:55 PM
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Well the problem is that I think quotas are just insofar as they are an asymmetrical solution to an asymmetrical problem. And primarily in that merit in something like hiring is hard to judge comparatively. It is often impossible to objectively rank all candidates.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:54 PM
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Women are up look how they got us talking we down exponentially… What did he mean by this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:53 PM
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That’s literally what I said. I know, but it's not where your argument was going. To not win an election is not the violation of someone's rights. So if fewer men win elections, how is that violating their rights? Yet you support feminists supporting female-led companies. Spoiler alert, feminists support female-led companies because they are led by females. Because asymmmetrical problems require asyummetrical solutions. And no one is forcing women to be attracted to certain people(in the US) Sur…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:53 PM
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Some feminists believe mens success sets back their own and definitely want to take measures to level the playing field which essentially could make men less successful (take quotas for instance) Consider that in the feminist view, the structural barriers presented to women have made men more successful and more powerful than meritocracy would dictate. That is how many merit-bearing women have been denied success and power on account of being women? The issue is that some men have captured succe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:49 PM
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Well I mean, at least thank you for owning that you think it would be nice to deny women freedom and humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:44 PM
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TRP implies that the solution to the unfairness of the marketplace is the negation of rights to women. Regardless of whether they focus on ways to "game the system" it is impossible to run away from the solutions their critique implies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:43 PM
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People, at least most citizens of the USA do. You have the right to run for congress. You have the right to be able to gain capital and become a billionaire. That is incorrect. You have the right to run for congress but no right to win elections. You have the right to gain capital, but not the right billions of dollars (just the ability to do so). Why? If a group of people like a man because he is a man, and elect him to congress, or buy enough products that he becomes a billionaire, why is that…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:42 PM
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It's merely an individual solution, it is not the solution implied by their structural critique.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:30 PM
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This kind of solution is just unrealistic and again avoids the issue by promoting something that won't happen. How do you suppose you can guarantee that men remain monogamous?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:28 PM
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Responsibility to do what? What do you mean exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:21 PM
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By your logic, feminists who complain about this want men to have fewer rights? That does not follow. Nobody has a right to be president, a congressperson or a billionaire. The question is how are these additional privileges conferred upon people? Is it meritocratic? Feminism believes that in many ways it is not. Do feminists want men to be forced to be less successful? Feminists want men who are successful over women because they are men to be less successful. But overall it does not oppose the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:21 PM
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