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With an academic feminist, winning a debate on DV for example, you have to know which research to use. Its like a game of top trumps.
/r/MensRights23/11/15 07:07 PM
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Then show us, find an academic feminist, ask a specific question and win , I know I can do it because Ive near a decade of experience . Its easy here , where there is no counter argument, do it for real .
/r/MensRights24/08/15 12:21 AM
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Dont post in a sub that automatically bans non feminist positions and has a separate sub for challenging them . Also ask them a specific question , have your ducks in a row or you will get your ass handed to you . Have something solid rather than a shitty look blog, ask in good faith if you don't want to be easily dismissed . Debunking feminists is easy in this echo chamber .
/r/MensRights24/08/15 12:01 AM
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Sexual shaming is something women developed . Shame women for having sex without charging the highest prices . Shame women who aren't keeping men thirsty . Shame men who lose attraction for older women and start looking at those younger than them . Shame men who are thirsty and think they can have women that think they are "out of their league" and decrease their perceived value . Shame men who circumvent the high prices and go with prostitutes . Shame the prostitutes that facilitate it . etc. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/15 10:22 AM
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There's not even a concept called sexual intimidation. These McKinnion influenced feminists we are talking about seem to be introducing a similar concept , saying its sexual harassment if someone stares at someone in a sexual way so that it makes them feel bad . The points was that someone can intimidated by someone staring in a sexual way . And someone can be intimidated by guys starring in an intimidating way - its not a new idea , its just the first time its been applied to men staring at wom…
/r/MensRights23/08/15 08:41 AM
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It was to point out that staring is already is considered a form of harassment and intimidation (but not legally), go back up the thread and read the conversation from the beginning . I don't think you can be charged for it when its guy on guy intimidation .
/r/MensRights23/08/15 08:31 AM
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Not a conspiracy theory, Im just telling you what's behind the slogan , which you and all of us could benefit from and improve our counter arguments . They are trying a change cultural narrative . Where the rape related teaching has revolved around tell women what not to do only , and then perceiving the real problem as being being women not minimizing their risk properly . The extreme end if it is places like saudi, where they are supposed to have male relatives with them at night etc. mra's li…
/r/MensRights23/08/15 08:20 AM
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If someone is sexually intimidated by someone staring in a sexually aggressive way, its different from someone staring in a physically aggressive way ...
/r/MensRights22/08/15 06:50 PM
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Pedophilia is when its pre puberty or on the cusp of it .
/r/MensRights22/08/15 06:39 PM
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When it first started it was over run by feminist trolls mocking it . Some peppering of the comments with really awful statements ... to make it look terrible . Paul Elam went to the spearhead which was largely a traditionalist website and told them the people here needed help . So the space was fought for . The there were skirmishes between traditionalist and more liberal mra's , some of the trad cons were saying some awful things. That eventually settled down . Srs happened , and it was a batt…
/r/MensRights22/08/15 03:07 PM
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You will probably find women under represented here , and mainly men answering your question .
/r/MensRights22/08/15 10:46 AM
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They are wrong about her history and the early history of the progressive movement (fascism / eugenics ) But opposing societies having functional family planning is just retarded and bad for men as well as women .
/r/MensRights22/08/15 09:33 AM
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t's when a grown woman is given community service for raping a boy because of the pussy pass, or when a male rape victim of a female rapist is thrown out of a police station because "Women don't rape, you misogynist faggot!" That's rape culture. That's what their modern rape culture theory says rape culture is too . Its almost as if , it you find out what their theory is saying you can then prove that they by their own definitions promote exactly what they call rape culture and destroy them ... …
/r/MensRights21/08/15 06:28 PM
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Right, walkers are told to stay on the side walks , the onus is on drivers not to be criminal drivers . There is no situation where the onus is entirely about telling pedestrians what not to do and then blaming them for the actions of criminal drivers . Hence no tell drivers not to be criminal drivers campaign to reverse the bias and swing the pendulum the other way . Its almost like you don't realize we are opposing something complex , manipulative and nuanced run by smart people . How do you m…
/r/MensRights21/08/15 05:58 PM
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Exactly the operator is the responsibility to ensure they drive safely, and the walker has the same responsibility. Yet you admit that the slogan is removing any responsibility on women for their own safety, and blaming all Men for being rape. Driving safety doesn't revolve around telling non drivers not to go out at night while there is no teaching drive safely to drivers . Thats why there is no slogan to teach motorist to drive safely, instead of teaching non divers not to get run over by crim…
/r/MensRights21/08/15 05:02 PM
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No, the onus is put on motorists to drive safely , if you are swerved by a drunk driver tonight, the issue isn't that you increased your risk by walking on a path at night . If someone were to tell you that , you would be very, very hurt by it and it would be a shit policy . Is it because you believe all men rape? No, typically not even feminists believe that . Do you believe that women can't be guilty of raping someone? Course I don't - even though most jurisdictions don't recognise it . Do the…
/r/MensRights21/08/15 04:52 PM
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Don't blame the slogan because you have a bizarre interpretation of it . Lots of people know its "instead of putting the onus on women, telling them what to wear and telling them not to be out, and then telling them how they went wrong if they are raped , put the onus on men not to rape". Lots of people know that doesn't literally mean women should do nothing to avoid danger . All it takes is applying some common sense and doing the research . Lots of people know the therapy model that "dont bla…
/r/MensRights21/08/15 04:39 PM
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No, the creator of the slogan wants to agitate , the message is clear to the people that took the time to understand it . The message is too complicated to encapsulate in a slogan . Any serious critics of it have the responsibility to know what it is, beyond the hyperbole in order to make a relevant critique . Does what you think it says sound too absurd to be true ...? Then dig deeper . If you base you counter argument on something that sounds too absurd to be true because it is , then you have…
/r/MensRights21/08/15 03:56 PM
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I watched the film , they are talking about women , and how men become proxy women in prison (bitches) . I've spoken to MRARCHIVIST in the past about this, he has not watched the film. There are mrm myths about the film, that are totally contradicted by content of the film . These men are the people that said masculinity and attitudes towards women is the problem and men need to be reeducated to respect women . Watch the film and see for yourself . btw - Im the one responsible for the misinforma…
/r/MensRights21/08/15 02:57 PM
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No one jokes about a woman getting raped. Tell me one real rape victim where men made fun of her incident on TV, and audience laughed, please. This is goal setting . The conversation is about men making rape jokes about women being raped, not to specific women . There is no rape culture. We have zero tolerance for rape. The example you gave of having zero tolerance is feminist laws that didn't previously exist . So are saying before these laws there was tolerance?
/r/MensRights21/08/15 02:43 PM
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That came from feminism. No one believes rape is okay based on women's dress codes, please. Do boys get a lesson with powerpoint presentation saying, "Look here, if skirts are past this line, it is not okay to rape, but if skirts are above this line, it is okay to rape." Correct - people might say they are asking for it , but not say its ok . A rapist might over hear them and think "they agree with me". If you don't know what arguments they are making, don't argue about them . Boys are also neve…
/r/MensRights21/08/15 02:25 PM
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Culture drove the only rapes to be generally recognized and legislated against to be the physical , stranger rape by men type then . So according to you statement your culture has or had a blind spot for incest, marital rape , statutory rape , date rape , rape by women ... so you have made an argument that aligns perfectly with feminist claims . Our arguments are not strong, because we don't know what theirs are .
/r/MensRights21/08/15 02:07 PM
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You can't claim feminist are teaching self defense classes while they telling women don't take them, just teach men not to rape. You don't know what you are talking about , womens centers have been doing physical self defense classes for women for a long time . You are misreading hyperbolic slogans . Look, you cannot run your site by taking a quick glance and publishing whatever ... the same goes for rape culture etc, to argue against it, you have to know what it is .
/r/MensRights21/08/15 01:56 PM
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They aren't saying it not illegal . You have to argue against things the theory is saying that are wrong, instead of things they aren't saying in the first place .
/r/MensRights20/08/15 01:30 PM
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Your post before this was entirely about how they are are to blame and need to be told that while at the same time saying it not victim blaming .
/r/MensRights20/08/15 01:14 PM
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You said you wanted them to take responsibility for the danger they put themselves in . You are saying you want to make sure they know how they are to blame .
/r/MensRights20/08/15 01:04 PM
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that I said is that these are valid assertions of how to prevent rape, That assume the issue is women failing by walking alone - its sharia law lite . to take responsibility for the dangers they may put themselves in. So you want them to be told how it was their fault, even thought it takes years of careful counselling to get people with ptsd to stop blaming themselves .
/r/MensRights20/08/15 12:51 PM
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I didn't misconstrue what you said, the assumption that the issue is women failing to take preventive measures and not having basic common sense is what they are talking about. Also they say because most rape has nothing to do with walking alone, it obscures how it more likely actually happens - friend, acquaintance, family member . We talk about the assumption that men abused by women brought it on themselves . Its a complex an nuanced argument, so anyone thats jumping into it without knowing w…
/r/MensRights20/08/15 12:39 PM
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You have never seen it other than people assuming that women are raped because they don't know not to walk at night . If you want to know about the theory behind the hyperbole , find out . Then you can make good counter arguments .
/r/MensRights20/08/15 12:29 PM
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No, I answered your question about how it became known in the general culture . Rape culture the theory has a lot right , it also has weak points and points mra's tend to agree with . Mra's will never know what they are because all we do is look at the hyperbole and agitation .
/r/MensRights20/08/15 11:14 AM
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I don't understand why that term has then leaked into use for the general population then? Through hyperbolic and deliberately controversial activism . They point to attitudes of the general population that contribute to rape - like believing the real issue is women lacking common sense and not adhering to some version of sharia lite - something that mra's promote often .
/r/MensRights20/08/15 10:56 AM
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Its a term american prisoners came up with to describe cultural attitudes towards women that contribute to rape of both men and women , for example raped men in prison become the "bitches" in the absence of actual women . Although accurate figures , for obvious reasons, are hard to draw, the real rate for "raps and sexual assault" is about 2/1000. I can try and find a few papers tomorrow when I'm off my phone if you don't want to believe me at face value. Even if its 2/1000 , the murder rate is …
/r/MensRights20/08/15 09:41 AM
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They say rape has always been seen as particularly heinous , so long as it fits the violent sociopath stranger rapist stereotype . They claim date rape and marital rape got something of a free pass . taken far more seriously than murder/violent jokes . There isn't an alleged 1 in 4 or whatever murder rate , its 1 in 100,000. Murder victims aren't going to be triggered hearing the jokes and complain . If mra's found out what rape culture is , they would be able to make good counterarguments .
/r/MensRights20/08/15 08:58 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/FeMRADebates/comments/1voxgf/toxic_masculinity_came_from_mens_activists_not/
/r/MensRights20/08/15 12:51 AM
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nah I know your alt here a long time now .
/r/MensRights20/08/15 12:41 AM
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Kinda hard to misunderstand what is being said. Its easy to misunderstand , most people don't understand they are reversing the idea that rape is women failing to limit their lives . You say women should be taught not to walk alone ... like the culture is so full of rape, women shouldn't even walk alone . They should understand rape is so normal, even walking alone is too high risk . Men walk alone, women walk alone . They say, fuck that - put the onus on men instead of pushing some watered down…
/r/MensRights20/08/15 12:31 AM
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one small one said 86%, two other small ones said lesser %s.
/r/MensRights15/08/15 04:14 AM
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No, we have never seen a 40% reduction in need for replacement population due to technology like we are going to see in our lifetimes . Same goes for extended life expectancy .
/r/MensRights15/08/15 03:20 AM
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Can self correct in a number of ways . We are heading into a cultural change where automation is going to be increased by 40% , that means a surplus of workers and people . Working hours will be reduced. Schools and hospitals stop enforcing equal outcome . More women start working longer, more men are stay at home . etc. Conservatives chicken licken . The sky isnt really falling . Civilization is just going through some changes.
/r/MensRights15/08/15 02:42 AM
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You dodge the question again . The new breed of mra's are as intellectually dishonest as the sjws they focus on .
/r/MensRights15/08/15 02:02 AM
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The people behind it are intelligent, the rabble just follow. We aren't much different here, we focus on the unintelligent rabble so much and use them for sources, we become their counterparts .
/r/MensRights15/08/15 01:44 AM
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Yeah , the average feminist cannot articulate what this complex stuff is saying is either, they just follow the rabble rousing and the hyperbole . If you want to know what it is, don't ask some random facebook , tumblr feminist or slutwalker .
/r/MensRights15/08/15 01:33 AM
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No I'm not making excuses. I'm sharing the reasoning behind it with you , as it would be explained by an informed feminist ... not some random slutwalker who cannot even articulate why they are there (our counterparts in that particular area of debate ) . I took the time out to understand this baffelling stuff . Self defense is only true way to defend yourself from the horrible things in this world. Nobody argues against self defense, thats just people misreading slogans and not knowing what its…
/r/MensRights15/08/15 01:23 AM
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Businesses are predominately male Yeah the feminist is saying business is predominantly male and set up for men even in small ways like the air conditioning temp. She is saying its androcentric, now you are agreeing with her that it is . Rather that jumping straight into outrage and mockery mode like sjws, its better if mra;s have some idea of what they are talking about first .
/r/MensRights15/08/15 01:08 AM
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They say "Teach men not to rape" because they have a right to walk do the street without being harmed period. You specialise in education issues. I've looked behind their hyperbole and slogans and thats not what its about . There are very good reasons for trying to get well meaning people to stop telling rape victims how it was their own fault . It takes years of careful therapy to get them to stop blaming themselves obsessively and irrationally in the first place. We barge into this very comple…
/r/MensRights15/08/15 12:58 AM
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But understanding that there are choices you can take to minimize the chances of something bad happening, is in no way 'victim blaming'. Why do you think women cannot understand this? Im guessing that its some sort of misreading of one of their slogans and an underlying assumption that women get raped because they don't have basic common sense . If you want to publicly debate feminists, on rape culture or whatever, you have go a good understanding of their arguments first . Reading a slogan isn'…
/r/MensRights15/08/15 12:48 AM
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that teaching men not to rape won't stop the guy who rapes at knife point The feminists know that , teach men not to rape is aimed at date rapists and reversing the thinking that its womens fault . Any mra's debating the topic that should also know that they they know that . A woman should know getting shitfaced then having to travel down a dark alley is stupid and can't expect society to be rape free Yeah everyone knows that, why do you think women somehow don't know that? The woman should know…
/r/MensRights15/08/15 12:34 AM
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So force women to conform to male norms. That isn't any different than setting the air con to male norms . Do you believe there are situations where men should forced into female norms? You don't seem to understand the point of that feminists argument at all . Its not about being cold, its about the workplace being androcentric .
/r/MensRights15/08/15 12:24 AM
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Would you argue that men should be forced to wear skirts and light clothes in summer too? Same argument in reverse basically .
/r/MensRights15/08/15 12:12 AM
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Yeah I know who you are - factory :)
/r/MensRights15/08/15 12:02 AM
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The feminist 1 is right. Your rape prevention advice is wrong headed. If you want to argue with people about rape culture or rape preventon tips or victim blaming, you need to know what it all means first . Anyhow, we are not mra;s can stop rape , the only reason we started giving out rape prevention tips is that we never bothered to find out what their arguments are about in the first place . Understand that no one just decides to wander down dark alleys, or at least everyone knows some of them…
/r/MensRights14/08/15 11:40 PM
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You don't really know what you are talking about do you? How long are you an mra? A year or less I'd guess , so you don't really know about the mens movement . Farrell, a foundational mens rights thinker was talking about the objectification of men as success and disposable objects and the objectification of women as sex objects decades ago, so were we before this swj outrage shite took over and we grew exponentially and the over all knowledge of the issues dropped . Have you read Farrell?
/r/MensRights14/08/15 11:12 PM
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If it became a thing, where office temperatures were being set to make women in summer clothes comfortable , which then made men in suits an uncomfortable temperature . Would you see it as a mens rights issue? Be honest and answer the hypothetical question .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 11:01 PM
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Its not just a feminist construct, mra's have for a long time being talking about how men cannot be recognized as equally deserving of empathy . Mra's just have a different , more sympathetic approach to it while feminists use it as a blut instrument to beat men over the head with . Actually, the male feminist who came up with the term said is was the rise in single mothers leading to men looking up to criminals as father figures , which is the same thing red pilllers were talking about a lot ye…
/r/MensRights14/08/15 10:46 PM
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those aspects of masculinity that do not serve the Female Imperative are deemed 'toxic'. It suits the female imperative for men to put aside their own well being for the benefit of women .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 10:33 PM
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Ok, you avoided the question by answering a question I didn't ask. New breed of mra, mirror image of a dishonest feminist . Im guessing you are an american student or just someone that has been staring into the tumblr sjw abyss too long .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 09:48 PM
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Is it? Sure it is . If the percentage of men and women that are interchangeable can chose and the percentage that aren't can chose, its obviously more just . Giving women equal entry into medical schools causing a doctor shortage (because 50% of women drop out of the full time work-force by 10 years after graduation) is just? That will self correct . Thats forced equal outcome which is unjust , which is the other side of the coin to what you want . What you want is unjust and out of sync with sc…
/r/MensRights14/08/15 09:36 PM
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Giving the masses the choice is far more just than forcing them into restrictive boxes . You are living in the past, technology negates the reasons these strict roles were there in the first place and the replacement rate needs to drop substantially to avoid serous social problems . Its not conservative, but humanity has to adjust to science and technology . However upsetting that is to people that fear evolutionary steps .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 09:26 PM
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Yes. I did. Point me to where you answered the question about how you would react to office temps being rest to womens summer clothes in mind, making men in suits uncomfortably hot . False. Feminists are incapable of 'imposing' anything. Ok, mra's are concerned about feminists trying to impose female sitting norms . I'm concerned? [citation needed] Ah, Im dealing with one of the new breed of mra's - argues just like a feminist . You are concerned enough to be posting about it . This article, thi…
/r/MensRights14/08/15 09:15 PM
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If you look at the spectrum of brains as per Baron Cohen there are male brains and female brains but most of them overlap to a smaller or greater extent . So a % of men and women are interchangeable . Also, once a man becomes main care giver, his brain goes through the same hormonal changes that a womans does when she is pregnant and he becomes more nurturing etc. Its not anywhere near as fixed as was thought in the past .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 08:28 PM
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You didn't answer the hypothetical question . Laughing at petty first world problems like manspreading Mra's have been pretty concerned that feminists have been trying to impose womens sitting norms on men . This is mra's being concerned about exactly the same first world problem feminists are . If you are this concerned about this feminist making that argument, you are on the same first world problems page she is , same coin different side . If we aren't concerned with the same sort of petty sh…
/r/MensRights14/08/15 08:18 PM
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No its a hypothetical not a strawman . If the offices temps were changed to suit women, and all of a sudden men were uncomfortable in suits, you would be perfectly happy with that, or are you a gender hypocrite like feminists are? I bet you and many others here would be making the same argument as that feminist , making outrage posts about the feminization , gynocentricism and misandry of the work place .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 08:08 PM
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So you wouldn't mind if offices changed the temp to make women happy, but made men too hot in suits? I bet you would be here objecting to gynocentricism and feminizing the work place. Thats one draw back of this knee jerk disagree with everything feminists ever say mentality here, it makes you a hypocrite and just like a feminist .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 07:58 PM
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So you are saying of the male dress code was t shirt and shorts, the thermostat would be still at the same setting as is comfortable in a suit, even though everyone would now be too cold . I guarantee you if the thermostats were changed to make the women happy and the men were suddenly too hot in their suits , this sub would be complaining about gynocentricism in offices .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 07:48 PM
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Never said physics is sexist. I guarantee you that if offices or any environments were set to female norms and preferences and not men's, this sub would be making the exact same argument that feminist is. We complain about gynocentricism the same way they do andro centricism. Two sides of the same coin , there are a lot of guys like you that dont have the where with all to be able to look at both sides simultaneously , just like most feminists are only able to see a female perspective .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 07:37 PM
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Do you then believe man's only chance at happiness these days is to let go ever being validated by women or society as a beta? I experienced quite a high level of "enlightenment" (i hate using that term, sounds egotistical !!) after christmas , I spend about three weeks experiencing real, constant happiness . When you are actually happy none of that shit matters . You know that everything you could want is right there in the moment and all these other things are illusionary . tl/tr yes . Letting…
/r/MensRights14/08/15 07:26 PM
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Does it not sometimes trouble you that your boycotting the Feminine Imperative has a powerful institution, and tens of millions of women treat you with contempt, just for not serving their needs as the 'oppressed' class? Has this affected your ability to make friends with women? In the past I had no problems with women, I remember a count of around 20 by time I was 20 , I did things most guys couldnt get away with, like fucking 2 sisters (not simultaneously) at the same time, sometimes in the sa…
/r/MensRights14/08/15 07:09 PM
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If something in workplaces was slanted to womens preferences and not mens , this sub would complain . There are often complaints about gynocentric situations, this feminist is complaining about androcentric temp settings.
/r/MensRights14/08/15 06:59 PM
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Is toxic masculinity real? Yeah its def real. For example, I grew up in a culture where alcohol was tied into masculinity . So drinking unhealthy amounts was a way of proving yourself as a man . I also used to believe that the amount of pussy I could get was evidence of my self worth .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 06:47 PM
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TRP and mra's tend not to know what the term means ... although mra's often discuss toxic masculinity without knowing it .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 06:38 PM
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. Nobody with any brains cares that the AC is set for people that have to wear more clothes. Set for men . If it was something equivalent effecting men , this sub would care and talk about the discrimination . For someone who calling others stupid, you dont sound too smart .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 06:16 PM
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OK :)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 05:28 PM
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You don't understand the underlying point . If women have to bring extra clothes in in summer because the air con is set for men, it doesn't change the fact the air con is set for men .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 04:57 PM
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Did you report my post to cover up the fact feminists misrepresent abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 04:48 PM
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Yeah, you can't handle swinging or handle women that were promiscuous unless you are alpha. Thats my opinion on it anyway .
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 04:38 PM
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If its so ridiculous why are people clogging our forum up with it. cold people can always put more clothes on, and hot people can't always take more clothes off. You don't understand the underlying point .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 04:30 PM
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No its wide spread. In 7 years I've never met a feminist who doesn't . And there is lots of proof that feminist academics and professional feminists are misrepresenting abuse .
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 04:07 PM
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Men are no better or worse than women, but some of them are arseholes (like women). Abuse, rape and objectification are not gendered terms, but you should be aware of these things and avoid them wherever possible. but feminism misrepresents the statistics to make it appear like men are much worse than women . Average feminists believe the feminist statistics and and attack people that show the right ones , denying them .
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 03:54 PM
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Nice one.
/r/MensRights14/08/15 03:09 PM
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You haven't proven that it's a substantial contribution. Ah, a goal move and a goal set . This is what I'm talking about about . And I would suggest that prioritizing "rape myths" over every other factor has the effect of silencing opinions. We are the ones trying to silence people about the existence of these myths contributing and attacking me when I describe the content of the theory to help mras make more intelligent arguments about it . And dismissing things out of hand . That means discuss…
/r/MensRights14/08/15 01:13 PM
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What are you talking about? The gap is justified because women do less work. The men that earn more share all their wages with women anyway .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 01:03 PM
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Yeah, you would be risking more backlash doing it the way the other guy suggested, just kicking her out . This is off topic again. IDK why saying women shouldnt be in guys houses alone because of rape and this is being conflated. If she is with a rapist, and she gets the bad vibes ... of course she is going to refuse sex anyway .
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 11:58 AM
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This isn't about silencing opinion , I think you are quoting that because you misunderstood the meaning of them saying if you believe these myths you are part of it . I've demonstrated logically and factually how believing these cultural rape myths does contribute to and normalize rape . Dispelling myths isn't silencing opinion . mra's need an informed opinion on these things , which we don't but we do tend to try and silence other mra's that do .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 11:48 AM
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Yeah not substantially contributing, unconsciously perpetuating a cultural myth and belief that allows rapes to happen more freely . What if I believe the rape myth that men that raped are lucky and if they complain, there is something wrong with them and pussies? I'm contributing to the normalization of rape and even encouraging it . So parts of it at least are logically sound . But mra's cannot know that due the rampant anti intellectualism.
/r/MensRights14/08/15 11:38 AM
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So, if I accept the myth that women cannot rape men , Im not in anyway contributing to rapes by women continuing to fly under the radar allowing female rapists to operate more freely in the culture . To suggest I am contributing is insidious . Your logic is bad .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 11:18 AM
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Now, what are the components of "rape culture"? The short answer is, "whatever the feminists speaking thinks is bad, and is somehow related to rape". Nah, its quite coherent . Its totally incoherant to mra's because mra's refuse to find out what it means, and work off information from casual feminists who don't really know what it is either. Then if an mra here tries to set the record straight and help other mra's know what it means... they will be attacked and so on, by people who have absurd b…
/r/MensRights14/08/15 10:56 AM
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I dont even know why you are asking me this ...?
/r/MensRights14/08/15 10:46 AM
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There is a general lack of knowledge of the topics or meaning of the buzzwords we discuss here . I checked out "askfeminists". It's got more ex cathedra reasoning than most religious subs. I'm not saying the posters there are complete morons, but they have very little basis to most of what they say. but how many mra's can hold their own and win in an open debate there with a knowledgeable feminist, when we as a group steadfastly refuse to lean about things like "rape culture" so we can properly …
/r/MensRights14/08/15 10:30 AM
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Thats besides the point . Setting the air con for male norms in an office and having different dress codes is literally sexist. Apparently mra's dont know what sexist means, so think the idea that is is ridiculous .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 10:19 AM
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It's not okay to be bored with the party, want to go to the guy's place for free food and drinks and pretend you don't know what he thought was happening. You are gone off topic again .
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 10:12 AM
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I read /r/askfeminsts where you get knowledgeable feminists (not the type mras focus on) ... they are quite good at defending their beliefs. Most mra's wouldnt have the ability to win over there . Anyhow mra's are the same as feminists, watch the film "rape culture" and repeat the content of it here ... and see how badly people react because it doesn't gel with their beliefs about what the film contains , for example . This sub has many emotional reasoners who are "triggered" when the reality do…
/r/MensRights14/08/15 10:08 AM
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Right, according to that its fine to party hard and go back to a mans houses to chill, or even go there to fuck and then have a change of mind if it doesn't feel right, or he isnt so hot when the drinks wear off . Because this is regular not high risk behaviour behaviour that regular people do .
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 10:02 AM
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On yeah, if a woman is just fucking with a guy na dleading him on to fuck with them they are dicks . They aren't if they go back with someone to chill, or of they went back for sex and something didn't feel right or they sobered up decided not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 10:00 AM
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If an office is sent to accommodate the needs of one gender and not the other, it is sexist . This sub, all these mras in the gender debate and we dont even know what sexism means .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 09:58 AM
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Yeah there are bad neighborhoods, do you think men that arent from those neighbourhoods should not be in them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 09:57 AM
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Yeah, there is that too , either way its a prank . MRAs know little to nothing about feminism" is like saying "atheists know little to nothing about religion". No, atheists can hold their own in debates with religious people and their arguments aren't strawmen and things that aren't really true . Atheists have a much better knowledge of religion than mras do feminism .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 09:28 AM
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The topic isnt about women should limit their lives due to how you personally feel about various things . Yeah feminists are right that someone is a dick who kick a woman out if shes not feeling it and just wanted to chill .
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 09:25 AM
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Nah its slightly different . The killallmen prank exploits the fact mra's tend to know little to nothing about feminism and will react to trolling feminists as if they are real frequently .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 08:51 AM
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I for one would appreciate if a woman who didn't want to have sex said so and didn't come home with me. What does she think why I'm bringing her back to my place from a club/party for? A conversation? This is a bit of a subject change, the topic isn't about your personal feelings . I think your way around that problem is to make it clear up front that you perceive going back to your place means having sex, and even if you do something to turn her off or she loses interest, you are still having s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 08:47 AM
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Its because BP is quite feminist and in feminist culture making false accusations to do with rape is normal and encouraged . Then they will try to say false accusations are a rare and not a problem to be worrying about .
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 08:26 AM
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Its probably better to do some meditation on your insecurities and jealousies so they will disperse than it is to adopt the strategy you mentioned. Paying for sex as your outlet will give you more of a sense of alienation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 08:21 AM
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PricewaterhouseCoopers’s analysis showed that most of its 15.1 percent pay disparity (compared with a Britain-wide gap of more than 19 percent) reflected a lack of women in senior jobs. I think the more information that comes out the better it will be . Example , the lack of women in senior jobs isn't to do with unfair promotions. Its to do with women's tendency to retire or semi retire early because they can afford to do so on the strength of the passive income she has from her husband and havi…
/r/MensRights14/08/15 07:03 AM
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Empathy entails caring about other people. Feminists evidently lack this capability, otherwise they would have considered how the dress code affects men. Is that hard to understand? Nope. I understand it perfectly . Its the same thing as mra's dismissing how the air con temps effect women . Thats not hard to understand . Many mra's and feminists lack empathy for the other genders different experiences . Same coin two sides .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 06:11 AM
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Look, you are one of these new breed of mra's who are as triggered by ideas and information that contradicts their beliefs as feminists are and then gets angry and tries to shoot the messenger . Im guessing you are an american student . Here is one of the articles about the prank . http://www.salon.com/2013/05/07/twitters_latest_unfunny_trend_killallmen/
/r/MensRights14/08/15 06:05 AM
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Its not privvy information, most people know its a prank. The prank is to take advantage of the many gullible and uninformed mras that are going to take it seriously and be outraged about it .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 05:59 AM
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I know what the term means both in its technical (I've a laymans understanding ) and more common use . Feminists have no consideration for how air condition changes might effect men. MRA's arguing against this, have no consideration for how present air conditioning standards effect women . The poster I was responding defined the feminist position as narcissistic because it didn't consider men, even though its the same position mra critics of the feminist position take . Why are you angry, is the…
/r/MensRights14/08/15 05:56 AM
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Yes that's true, in the same way the air conditioning is set of for men and it puts women out. Its narcissistic to say their point is ridiculous, its being narcissistic in exactly the same way . This forum tends to see a feminist position, is automatically against it, without thinking it through . This fourm is taking zero account for the feelings of the people who are too cold, even laughing about it . So we are what you just accused them of being .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 05:30 AM
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Many mra's made a big deal out of this prank . It was taken far more seriously than a prank . We are in a thread started by an mra who thought "meninism" which is a viral / twitter prank is real .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 04:45 AM
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The ratio is irrelevant. Do people say rape doesn't matter because most sex is not rape?
/r/MensRights14/08/15 04:38 AM
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Looks like some stupid made up thing. Can we stop posting rubbish on our own fourm?
/r/MensRights14/08/15 04:24 AM
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This an activist forum, or at least its supposed to be its not a snark , trolling or comedy forum.
/r/MensRights14/08/15 04:16 AM
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Technically yes, so are all women , in the same way everyone is a potential every sort of criminal you can think of . (Isn't that obvious?) Should you never be alone with someone because they are a potential murderer? Shouldn't they be taking precautions to protect themselves from rape by not getting drunk or going dorm room / house alone with guys they don't want to sleep with? No, women shouldn't as a group have to live restricted lives based around rape risks like muslim women do, they should…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/15 04:14 AM
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I did answer you. How do you know that what you are saying is the case? That those saying #killallmen and similar ideas are not genuine? because I know its a prank and its just snarky young internet feminists pranking mra's some of who will then get outraged and think its a some real movement to kill all men .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 04:10 AM
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Right, but that doesn't mean we have to clog up the forum, with pointless links to every article that's published with no context or point to them. Whats the point, just reading another of 1000s of the same article? My argument is the content here going to shit.
/r/MensRights14/08/15 04:03 AM
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How is it ridiculous? Men have a restrictive dress code, nothing visible bar the head and hands , and a miniature , tight scarf. Women don't have that code and wear summer clothes in summer . Then when the office is set up the mens code and mens code is too hot for outside in summer, women wear summer appropriate clothes women and are cold at the office which as set up for mens stuffy and restrictive dress code .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 03:58 AM
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Women in general don't want urinals .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 03:51 AM
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It was trolling mra's , because they knew mra's would take it literally and as some sort of real or official feminist thing. They know we go in for a lot of uninformed bitching, this was bait .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 03:40 AM
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MRA'S object to men being objectified as success objects and reduced to bumbling idiots . At least we used to when we actually knew more about what we are talking about .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 03:39 AM
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I was just pointing out that sexual objectification happens in many of these ads , and that its not a naturally occurring thing, its a psychological manipulation tactic used by corporations . My question is why do you have a problem with sex being used for advertisement to the point of calling it exploration but not with anything else? We aren't talking about sex, we are talking about objectification (I dont think you know this topic, and have just heard the buzzword and now argue about , sex an…
/r/MensRights14/08/15 03:29 AM
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We have been discussing the fact that feminists lie about the wage gap for 2 decades .
/r/MensRights14/08/15 03:28 AM
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So you come along with your arrogant attitude spewing horse shit about a made up feminist term or some BS film made by a feminist. You then proceed to try and generalise an entire subreddit as being "uninformed". Yeah, I informed other mra's that the content of the film they keep talking about is not what we think its is. Why should we keep mentioning a film none of have watched, on which the prisoners are saying then same worse things about men, than the current slut walkers are, as if it contr…
/r/MensRights14/08/15 03:24 AM
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Cool.
/r/MensRights14/08/15 03:24 AM
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They are complaining about the media dehumanizing women as sex objects , and that's fine . We have no skin in that . We are concerned with ways men are objectified
/r/MensRights13/08/15 06:56 PM
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Thing is, everytime I share information here - like telling people the content of the film "rape culture" for example. People here get angry and think they have to fight with me personally. This isn't a college , people have to get informed themselves but its seems not only is a large part of the sub uninformed, they are also angered by the prospect of it.
/r/MensRights13/08/15 06:48 PM
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Some pranksters set up something called menism. Masculism has existed in the mens movement for decades. Is there anyone here that knows anythng about about the topic anymore?
/r/MensRights13/08/15 06:42 PM
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Mra;s complain about men being objectified as disposable, success and atm objects. Feminists complain about women being objectified as sex objects. Just because its feminsts doing it, doesnt mean you automatically have to waste energy being against it .
/r/MensRights13/08/15 06:41 PM
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The other examples you gave were not people, therefore they are not humans being objectified and reduced to sexual objected. I don't understand why it bothers you so much It doesn't bother me, this appears to be bothering you . Im simply trying to explain the meaning things that related to the mra / gender debate . but not for example the desire to get rich Wealth is not going to complain about being objectified , its already an object . or to have a family or whatever. Human families show full …
/r/MensRights13/08/15 06:36 PM
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"Proxy women" are not women. Correct, they are men as a stand in for women,. Those individuals that got raped in prison were by and large men, and remain by and large men. Correct. And thus the cultural attitudes towards women can't have come as the reason here, because they knew that the rapists did NOT believe those men to be women. They were the "bitchs" (women) of the prison , proxy women - yes they knew they were men. They treated them like women and gave them womens names . Please leave me…
/r/MensRights13/08/15 06:00 PM
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Its not sort of mra ... a couple of pranksters started it up to mock mras and feminists . Its like #killallmen, a prank mocking mras that some people take seriously .
/r/MensRights13/08/15 05:29 PM
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No. As you said "in the absence of real women". Correct, the prisoners said that in the absence of real women, weaker men were made proxy women . Consequently, if women were around, then those men wouldn't have gotten raped by other men. Correct this is what the prisoners were saying, outside its women, inside weaker men become proxy women . They said male on male prison rape was an extension and symptom of cultural attitudes towards women outside prison . Please, can you go away? I don't want t…
/r/MensRights13/08/15 05:25 PM
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Its exploitation of human sexuality , for advertising purposes . They take a human, reduce them to one dimensional sexuality, and the link it to a product to manipulate people ie. reduce a full human to a sexual object.
/r/MensRights13/08/15 05:21 PM
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Can I ask what we are supposed to do with this? There is no comments section to respond to it , you haven't provided any context of your own . Is the point that the top dollar jobs are being let off the hook to get women more money for less work or what? Whats the point , we already know there are many articles that lie about women getting less money for the same work . If this sub is just an aggregator for feminist articles with the same talking points that have being published every week for y…
/r/MensRights13/08/15 04:36 PM
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There is nothing natural to reducing a human body to sexualized body parts to link sexual stimulation to a product . Its a propaganda technique developed by Signond Freuds nephew .
/r/MensRights13/08/15 04:22 PM
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No .
/r/MensRights13/08/15 04:20 PM
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Yeah, with mra's ... who don't know the difference between trolling and the mens movement and people trollng the mens movement or mocking it . This sub is part of the problem, all the outrage posts , little to no knowledge of the issues , arguing about feminst buzzwords without knowing what they mean , posts that are basically "oh look some female troll on the internet said x"
/r/MensRights13/08/15 03:44 PM
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Its supposed to sound stupid. Its a joke .
/r/MensRights13/08/15 03:24 PM
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I'm pretty sure that the men who get raped in prison are not women. Thats right, they were the weaker men, the prisoners said they became proxy women. That they became the "bitches", in the absence of real women . That the whole thing about prison rape of men, was rooted in cultural attitudes to women . Look please respect the fact that I don't want to argue about the content of a film or theory with someone that has not watched the film or doesn't know the content of the theory . Its a totally …
/r/MensRights13/08/15 03:00 PM
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It talks about general treatment of women in the culture, misogyny ,] Did it or did it not focus on rape and/or proposed causal explanation for rape? It talked about the way women are treated by men and the way men are taught to treat and view women, in general . They said the culture teaches men to rape women, and weaker men in prison who become proxy women . Not seeing anything wrong with harassing women in the street who don't want to be harassed and treating them like sex objects is part and…
/r/MensRights13/08/15 12:55 PM
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Fucks sake, Im explaining their positions and the content of the film. Im /u/trpacc Find out what the theory is instead watching stupid viral videos . Watch the original film instead of making things up about it . Before you debate it .
/r/MensRights13/08/15 12:06 PM
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Its a journalist exposing the fact the average feminist doesn't understand what they are supporting. The other side of the coin is the critics - us, who don't know what its about either . The whole thing is embarrassing and pathetic.
/r/MensRights13/08/15 12:04 PM
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The MGTOW is projecting I think, god thats as embarrassing as the slut walkers .
/r/MensRights13/08/15 12:02 PM
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The thinking is if there is a general lack of respect for women's personal space and on the street, and no respect the fact they dont want it to be bothered, its part of a general cultural attitude that doesn't recognise women's no's. The prisoners started this , they formed the theory . Look please find out what it is first . We sound as dumb as as the slut walkers . We think we're so knowledgeable about , but we dont even know the content of the prisoners film we keep talking about . Its echo …
/r/MensRights13/08/15 11:48 AM
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Personally, by using knowledge of their own theory to prove that they by their own definitions are promoting "rape culture" . Might have pointed out that its female sex offenders and maie victims that get off lightly and are undercounted , not female . Although that's already part of their theory .
/r/MensRights13/08/15 11:33 AM
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They were talking about attitude and treatment in general towards women, they though it was all connected to rape. Look, before you argue about the film - watch the film. One even says all men rape their girlfriends . These people aren't the good guys they get painted as here . Mra's need to get out this echo chamber habit of speaking as if knowledge about things they dont know about . We are just as uninformed as about it as the people taking part in the walks lauren was interviewing . Mra's do…
/r/MensRights13/08/15 11:23 AM
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Roll out free birth control and abortion including the new vasegel for men , use the schools and parents to promote it .
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