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That was a lot of fun to read. You assembled a good set of reference points and mapped the strategic landscape of everyday feminist commentary well. That's hard to do but essential when arguing against massively entrenched narratives like the feminist set. It only makes sense to bring statistics and carefully reasoned arguments to bear once you have the attention of your audience, and feminist narratives work because they have an army of foot soldiers on twitter, facebook, youtube, newspaper art…
/r/MensRights19/09/18 04:34 PM
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So it sounds like your assertion of "bad faith" and "unenforcability" were soundly rejected by the judge. Yes, and I am disputing the reasoning of the judge. Finding that Allison was harassing people, and therefore ejecting her from the conference, without taking her aside and having a 10 min discussion with her, allowing her to respond the allegation that she was harassing people, is not a good faith effort. I don't understand how the political speech distinction matters here. I think what matt…
/r/MensRights07/09/18 07:23 PM
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How do you figure she harassed anyone?
/r/MensRights07/09/18 06:06 PM
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If the Comic Expo was an invitation only event, and Allison wasn't invited but showed up anyway, I would agree with your reasoning about private events. They would be within their rights to have her leave the premises for any reason at any time. However, that's not even remotely what happened here. They accepted money from Allison, signed a contract with her that promised to resolve complaints by listening to both sides in good faith, then did not make a good faith effort to hear her side. And a…
/r/MensRights07/09/18 05:36 PM
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Yes, I have also felt that she is performing to monetize attention more than doing any sincere analysis.
/r/MensRights12/08/18 12:41 AM
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Ok. Now your commentary makes more sense. I should have gone into more detail on whst i mean by a rebuttable presumption of shared parenting. I mean that, in the event of a divorce where the parents do not agree on the split of custody, where both want at least 50%, the court is forced to order an equal split unless one side can show some compelling evidence that the other side is unfit. All of your examples (alcoholism, mental instability, ...) definetly qualify IMO, given compelling evidence a…
/r/MensRights17/10/17 09:40 PM
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Equally fit? You mean, for the most part, who spends most of the time being a hands on parent? Why should that be the courts concern? Are you suggesting that by marrying someone who the court might judge as a better parent than you, you are giving up the right, should your partner divorce you, to equal access to your children? That amounts to not protecting the legitimate interests of the provider in a provider / nurturer marriage. That can only go on for so long until all you have left are prov…
/r/MensRights17/10/17 08:52 PM
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If the problem is that abusive parents are considered fit, then why would a rebuttable presumption of shared patenting put more children at risk of being abused? Are you assuming that more fathers are abusive toward children than mothers and that without shared parenting, mothers would be favored in custody therefore fewer children would be exposed to abuse? In your reply, you refer to abusers as both mothers and fathers yet you seem to be arguing that far more father are likely to be abusive th…
/r/MensRights17/10/17 07:31 PM
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Are there any particular thinkers that influenced you, or books / essays that helped you find your way out of resentment and toward understanding / engagement? Feminism is such a loosely defined concept that it doesn't say much by itself.
/r/MensRights17/10/17 01:54 PM
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I think a lot of women who had been through that many bad experiences with violent and threatening men would develop a hateful view of them. Although men and women are not identity groups in the same sense that different ethnicities are (men and women cant wall themselves off as groups the way that ethno groups can in any sort of functioning society), cross group resentment is fueled by individual acts of violence and cruelty and it must be hard to see past your list of horrors, think creatively…
/r/MensRights17/10/17 12:40 PM
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I also generally feel that, as I see often inside of feminism as well, the root causes of the issues tend to be unassigned, and anger misdirected. As a feminist, what do you think the proper root causes and objects of anger are for legitimate feminist issues? What sort of common misdirection of those concern you most?
/r/MensRights17/10/17 12:15 PM
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I think the MRM can only make gains to the extent that female MRAs are out in front. If female MRAS were to lose interest / focus, the movement would wither and die.
/r/MensRights06/09/17 08:01 PM
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Assuming you are open to hearing alternatives to the patriarchy theory of history (the idea that men as a group oppressed women as a group for most of history, that women are the victim's of history at the hands of men), and not merely interested in finding partisan support for it (and ammunition to use against the alternative theories of history), you might find this essay worth your time is there anything good about men. Here are the opening first few paragraphs: You’re probably thinking that …
/r/MensRights06/09/17 05:52 PM
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Women Are Wonderful This research found that while both women and men have more favorable views of women, women's in-group biases were 4.5 times stronger[5] than those of men and only women (not men) showed cognitive balance among in-group bias, identity, and self-esteem, revealing that men lack a mechanism that bolsters automatic own group preference.[5] Other experiments in this study found people showed automatic preference for their mothers over their fathers, or associated the male gender w…
/r/MensRights06/09/17 04:34 PM
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You mean perhaps men have such an in group preference? Or you agree that they obviously don't and therefore perhaps women as a group were not taken advantage of by men as a group?
/r/MensRights06/09/17 04:25 PM
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Are you saying that if women had more than 50% of the votes in the house or senate, they would use that majority more wisely than men use it? Because women have more than 50% of the votes in the population that elects congress and the president, so why do they keep electing men to Congress in such ovetwhelming numbers? They appear to prefer to have men in power who then vote for war in Iraq and afghanistan.
/r/MensRights06/09/17 11:14 AM
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If men as a group took advantage of women as a group by using their greater physical strength to overpower them, then wouldn't they have also needed a strong in group preference as well? That is, wouldn't two men from different families have to have more loyalty to each other than to their wives and daughters, let alone to women not directly related to them?
/r/MensRights06/09/17 10:57 AM
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How did the boys club get that kind of power? Why wasn't their a girls club eith that kind of power?
/r/MensRights06/09/17 02:59 AM
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How do you think men got to be in that position?
/r/MensRights06/09/17 02:53 AM
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Is a patriarchy where men are considered even more disposable than men are here, and the women are considered more in need of make protection than they are here. So no.
/r/MensRights29/07/17 01:24 AM
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Oh the irony. How many of them pushed the wage gap narrative relentlessly when they knew better.
/r/MensRights28/07/17 02:39 AM
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Well said madam.
/r/MensRights21/07/17 04:42 AM
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When most people talk about society valuing one person's life more than another, they mean that society puts more resources behind protecting one than the other. Or equivalently that society is more willing to tolerate the loss of one than another. Your axioms about the value of life are high minded and match the way people like to think society is rather than how it acts. An ought and not an is. So you are saying that the essay I linked does not argue that the life of a man should be worth less…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 12:36 PM
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Devoid of society and it's trappings? So you are not interested in whether society values the life of a woman more than the life of a man, you want to know if a woman's life is more valued by something else? You realize value us a pairwise concept, right? As in X values Y?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/17 04:55 AM
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Those are recommended, not mandatory. So would you be OK with paternity testing becoming a routine test on par with the other ones? I don't know exactly what forces are at work there, but for those tests to be routinely done and paid for, the state would probably put them on a list and most insurers would wind up paying for them. The ones that didn't would face heavy push back of some sort or you can bet they would not spend the money. Be careful with your assumptions. A lot of people on here op…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/17 06:48 PM
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You would like to see some careful analysis that argues men and women have distinctly different value as human beings? Every culture that has survived to the modern day has held the lives of women to be more valuable than the lives of men. The societies that kept their men disposable (and therefore freer to act in the public sphere) and their women safe (and therefore less free to act in the public sphere) overran the ones that didn't. This follows from the obvious fact that a group that loses a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/17 04:45 PM
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So far we have been discussing the cost vs benefit (to the child for accurate medical history in diagnosis treatment throughout its life) of paternity testing versus the other routine tests done on newborns. Neither of us has yet shown enough information to make a powerful case on this account alone. Evidence of that sort would compare the liklihood of various illnesses going undetected / untreated for want of paternity information throughout the child's life to the liklihood of the other illnes…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/17 04:29 PM
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Knowing who the actual father of the child is would not tell us the full medical history of the father, but it would let us connect what is known about the fathers medical history (which is typically a lot) accurately to the child. This doesn't always or even usually play a role in accurately diagnosing or treating a serious illness in a child's life, but sometimes it does. Much like the other mandatory testing that an infant goes through shortly after birth. You could skip any of those other te…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/17 03:24 PM
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Given that knowing the medical history of the actual father of the child could be required later to diagnose / treat a serious illness of the child, why shouldn't this be mandatory? What about the other routine tests done after birth to detect various treatable conditions as early as possible? I mean, it's in the best interests of the child right (its medical well-being)? Or does that principle suddenly fall for some other reason we would rather not talk about?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/17 02:59 PM
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Political power can only be maintained as a result of a successful threat narrative that scares people. The MSM is the arena in which those threat narratives compete with each other for attention.
/r/MensRights24/06/17 05:35 PM
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Your point about the nonstop fear mongering that the media uses to drive up the click rate is one I have started paying attention to for the past 3 years. I find it ironic how shocked they were when trump came along and started doing a better job of it. They even started arguing against the idea that the u.s. is awash in violent crime and racial oppresssion for once. Only trump could forced them to do that.
/r/MensRights24/06/17 05:28 PM
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The mra side is being well represented in the comments section now. If they were censoring before they decided to stop.
/r/MensRights22/06/17 11:22 PM
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Irony detectors?
/r/MensRights22/06/17 10:53 PM
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Well done! I wonder how this comment would fare: I didn't understand Cassie's point about Boko Haram. The reason people didn't make a fuss about the boys was that they were already dead. The girls that they kidnapped were still alive and could be rescued. I don't think that shows a lack of compassion about boys In other words, write a comment that argues in favor of feminism, but does so so badly that any neutral observer would be horrified. A partisan might only care that the comment was aimed …
/r/MensRights22/06/17 06:57 PM
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I wonder how hard it would be to write a comment that gets posted, but still manages to point out how unfair she is being. It would have to be subtle.
/r/MensRights22/06/17 03:25 PM
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In early January, Queensland police investigated threats of violence against a Men's Rights group during a planned event for the film. One Twitter user wrote they hoped "someone shoots up that event ­Batman movie premiere style — dead MRAs (men's rights activists) — cool!" Later: The Red Pill leaves a lot of issues undiscussed, and yes, I can see exactly why there has been outrage at the film's overall message. I think her blog post "leaves a lot of issues undiscussed". Every grab for political …
/r/MensRights22/06/17 12:17 PM
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Did the comment go up initially, and then get deleted, or did it have to be approved and never get approved
/r/MensRights22/06/17 12:09 PM
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Because, while we have accepted that women posess the same virtues as men, we have not seriously entertained the proposition that they posess the same vices (cruelty, violence, pettiness, greed, self-absorption, ...). Until we do, we have not really extended women the respect that we extend to men, and we have not really extended men the same compassion that we extend to women.
/r/MensRights19/06/17 01:43 PM
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I'm not saying you did do that, but if you did, a quick apologize and stating that wasn't your intention and it was just some minor miscommunication. Problem solved. Never apologize for something you didn't do. That's not showing respect/decency to the other person, its treating them like a child.
/r/MensRights18/06/17 07:10 PM
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I think you should have stayed and fought this out, then if the company fired you, sue them for wrongful dismissal. You can't be serious.
/r/MensRights18/06/17 07:07 PM
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I am curious, what was the complex budget matter you were explaining?
/r/MensRights18/06/17 07:06 PM
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Couldn't agree more. We are just beginning our long march through the institutions and have been winning a number of engagements along the way. Just look at the number of entertaining, high quality you tube commentators that have joined the MRM. They form a support network and are starting to have considerable reach.
/r/MensRights12/06/17 10:57 AM
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Good catch. Can't wait to watch this and see how well he made his points.
/r/MensRights12/06/17 10:49 AM
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Thanks for posting that. It really warmed my heart.
/r/MensRights05/06/17 07:01 PM
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I see what you mean now.
/r/MensRights31/05/17 08:01 PM
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You are right that men have a strong instinct to protect women and feminists exploited that, but blaming men was another pillar of their success. Why do you think the word patriarchy is so central to feminist thought if not because it places the blame so squarely on men?
/r/MensRights31/05/17 01:08 PM
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Peacemaker arguments like yours require good faith in the other party. That certainly has its place but it doesn't explain the amazing success of the MRM over the last 5 years. When one groups partisans have an edge, when their slurs stick and the others dont, the rank and file stop listening to their peacemakers. In that situstion, the slurred group has to use partisan argumentation to remove the edge first, to pave the way for the peacemakers. My go-to partisan opening looks like this. If most…
/r/MensRights31/05/17 12:45 PM
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The traditional marriage was a nurturer / provider partnership. Each side of a pairing like that has legitimate interests that should be protected in the event of a divorce, or other poisoning of the relationship. I think that currently, when a nurturer / provider divorce happens, the legal system is only protecting the nurturer's interests. The protections mainly run one way. As a result, nurturer / provider pairings are become rare, and being replaced by provider / provider pairings. The only …
/r/MensRights23/05/17 07:19 PM
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I think male disposability will be reduced as a result of enough women speaking out about it. I don't know that men's lives will ever be valued as highly as women's, but I think we have made tremendous progress in the few years mostly because of women speaking out. And I see the trend continuing. So overall I am pretty optimistic.
/r/MensRights21/05/17 10:40 PM
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Disposability. The root of all men's issues is that the life of a man is not valued as highly as the life of a woman. If you mean what specific issue, if addressed, would do men the most good, I would say making circumcision illegal. That's largely because for that to happen, the idea of men being disposable would have to be addressed first. If you mean what direct issue is doing the most harm to men, I would say the anti male bias in court. Again, I dont see that happening until men are not vie…
/r/MensRights20/05/17 07:26 PM
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Isn't there also potential health implications associated with not having it circumcised and bacterial infections? Various doctors and studies have claimed, over the years, that circumcision makes someone less likely to get a UTI, or penile cancer, or AIDS. Those studies are hotly contested by other doctors and studies. The common sense reasoning that removing the foreskin reduces the chance of infection because the foreskin keeps the head of the penis moist, and bacteria thrive in moisture, how…
/r/MensRights15/05/17 04:15 PM
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I think his current analysis has these elements: If men were to withdraw from family life in large numbers, society would collapse The court systems are biased against men in family Court to the point where you don't have to look far to see men who lost everything (access to their children, house, and the bulk of their money while being required, on pain of prison time, to make as much money as they did at the high water mark of their careers). If society did collapse, it would take a long time …
/r/MensRights12/05/17 12:11 PM
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You are picturing a fair fight scenario. But when you live with someone, you have to sleep sometime. When you do, then can stun you so badly with a single blow that you would be helpless at that point. No matter how much bigger/stronger you might be than them. So the only real limit to how much physical abuse one person can perpetrate against an intimate partner is how vicious they are. I submit that most people are not vicious, and those that are would tend to pair up with people who are not. F…
/r/MensRights11/05/17 03:39 AM
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Excellent article. Thanks for posting it.
/r/MensRights10/05/17 04:47 PM
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Just read the wikipedia article on that. Holy shit that's horrifying. One of the largest studies found that 14% of vasectomy patients had some pain after 7 months. Not debilitating pain (0.9% of the 14% had that) but still.
/r/MensRights10/05/17 03:18 PM
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No one said anything about an epidemic. Our claim is that female on male sexual violence is not a drop in the bucket compared to male on female sexual violence. In particular, women forcing men to penetrate them is not rare compared to men forcibly penetrating women. Do you find that absurd? If so, you should be able to clearly explain why you find it absurd.
/r/MensRights10/05/17 03:02 PM
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Yes it should be legal, it's practice in no way effects me and I have no problem with it being performed FGM should be legal? You seriously believe that? As for not caring about cruelty not likely to ever be applied directly to you or yours, that's a very odd stance for a sincerely religious person to take. If you are aware of cruelty and you have some ability to counter it (even if only condemning the cruelty when asked), I would think it an obligation to use that ability. edit: added quote of …
/r/MensRights10/05/17 02:35 AM
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I am sure tons of you will immediately jump to all religion should be banned because that's popular here but I disagree Do you think religious/cultural FGM should be legal? If not, why not?
/r/MensRights09/05/17 08:40 PM
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Look at how donglegate went down. Adria Richards is unhirable. Check out the comment sections of MSM articles about it and you'll see tech women from all over saying that anti-male radfems like adria didn't represent them and it was time to stop demonizing men.
/r/MensRights09/05/17 04:55 AM
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Because what the MRM wants is compassion for men and boys. An end to male disposability. Simce ancient times society sees that as an existential threat. It's amazing that the MRM exists to any degree at all.
/r/MensRights09/05/17 03:34 AM
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Generally, all feminists believe that society has been male dominated, and historically that women have been kept submissive to men. I think that equates to the summary I gave. That men worked together (consciously or unconsciously) to take advantage of women. To make male lives better at the expense of female lives. If true, it would mean that men were morally inferior to women, and that male nature was inherently less trustworthy than female nature. It would then be just to describe male tende…
/r/MensRights08/05/17 08:44 PM
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My main criticism of feminist thought is that I don't think men conspired as a group to take advantage of / oppress women as a group. The claim that they did in an assertion that women are morally superior to men. I think societies have always used both men and women in various ways as part of a larger system to take power and resources away from other societies in the struggle to build ever bigger kingdoms and empires. I don't think the average male peasant drawn at random from history had any …
/r/MensRights08/05/17 07:02 PM
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So as a hardcore feminist do you believe that men-as-a-group took advantage of / oppressed women-as-a-group for most of history? I have noticed that that one belief is the most widespread among feminists of all stripes.
/r/MensRights08/05/17 06:34 PM
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Who are some of your favorite feminist authors and what are the main arguments / themes in their work?
/r/MensRights08/05/17 06:32 PM
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How is the idea that men as a group conspired against / took advantage of women as a group for most of history, not an assertion that women are morally superior to men? If there is one belief that unites feminists, its that men have always conspired against women. That's not an extreme view, that's very mainstream.
/r/MensRights08/05/17 04:34 PM
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Happy birthday Cassie. Its a bit early to know If your documentary will go down in history as one that broke the taboo on taking men's issues seriously in the public debate. If I were a betting man, however, I would put my money on you. Your rare combination of courage, honesty, and creativity is hard to beat. I suspect what we are up against is an unspoken agreement among the artisans of hollywood to not broach these topics, and to ruthlessly exclude anyone to dares to try. This will only last …
/r/MensRights01/05/17 03:32 PM
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There are whold government departments, billions of dollars per year in NGO funding, and general society working toward making womens lives better. I am questioning your claim here that the money spent in the name of making women's lives better actually does that. I don't think it does. The money and effort poured into the campus rape hysteria, for example.
/r/MensRights01/05/17 12:06 PM
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If my question has such an easy answer then provide it.
/r/MensRights30/04/17 11:21 PM
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It only stands to reason for a few seconds. It can't stand up to a longer focus than that. It stands to reason when people look at someone who is physically stronger than another and concludes that the stronger person would win in a fair fight. When you live with someone, though, you have to sleep sometime. And when you do, it won't matter how much stronger you are than your attacker. They will be able to stun you badly enough in a single blow that you will be helpless from that point on. So the…
/r/MensRights30/04/17 09:12 PM
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What are your goals? What sorts of specific changes to culture and law would you like to see?
/r/MensRights29/04/17 02:43 PM
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What do you think a worthy ally would look like if one presented here? How should her story have read?
/r/MensRights29/04/17 02:40 PM
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How does the campaign to produce rape hysteria make women's lives better?
/r/MensRights29/04/17 12:23 AM
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Do you consider women morally inferior to men or not?
/r/MensRights29/04/17 12:21 AM
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Equal treatment before the Law being foremost. If your view of women is that they are morally inferior to men, then why would you be willing to accept equal treatment before that law? You should be seeking superior treatment before the law for men.
/r/MensRights28/04/17 07:02 PM
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I don't think most people who had been through your experiences would have been able to think and self-reflect their way out of it. Well done.
/r/MensRights28/04/17 06:45 PM
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This sub is about men, women have whole government departments hammering out lefislation to protect them daily. I don't think you are making much sense. Men and women need each other. You can't help most people of one sex by giving them unbalanced power over the other sex. When one sex wins, both lose. Unless one sex was consisted solely of psychopaths, and the other consisted of angels. Under those conditions, a government that gave power over the psychopaths to the angels would make sense. But…
/r/MensRights28/04/17 06:44 PM
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If people like Suzannah Weiss (the author of the article you posted a link to) were really concerned about the unfair standards imposed on men, then why refer to the whole system as Patriarchy. Why name the system after fathers, if not to denigrate fathers? And why name the movement that is supposed to oppose a system that hurts both men and women feminism if not to further blame men? The linked article is making an empirical claim, that what most people mean when they use the term 'toxic mascul…
/r/MensRights28/04/17 03:32 PM
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I appreciate the good faith you are showing in engaging me here. I don't encounter it very often. Thanks.
/r/MensRights27/04/17 06:37 PM
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I don't think that the typical resident of a culture like ours, which widely views men as morally inferior to women, is going to hear the phrase "toxic masculinity" and not have the network of assertions in their head about how men are violent, abusive, unfit parents, raping women on collage campuses in large numbers (1 in 5?!?), ..., etc activate in response. If our culture not only believed that women were just as good as men (generally posessed all of their virtues), but also be believed that…
/r/MensRights27/04/17 05:37 PM
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To be clear: I'm assuming that you intend for 50/50 to be the default state but that if one of the parents is proven/found to be abusive, that's grounds for a valid rebuttal. Am I correctly reading you? Yes, that is what I am asserting. If parent A wants to deny B 50 percent of the custody, then A should have to show compelling evidence that B is unfit. The mere fact that B, in order to finance the family, spent less time with their children than A, who stayed home to focus on raising the kids, …
/r/MensRights27/04/17 05:28 PM
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And yes, I will validate that many women spit the phrase "toxic masculinity" out like it's a filthy thing in their mouths but in the overwhelming majority of my reading (not FB conversation with whack-a-doodles), use of the term is in reference to a set of destructive and unhealthy standards for maleness that we've all constructed and perpetuated as a society. I would be surprised if women use the term any more than men do. I see it being used by people who want to assert that women are morally …
/r/MensRights27/04/17 03:42 PM
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I don't think those ideas have much currency in feminist thought. The idea with the most currency of all (the uniting thought) in feminism is that men as a group have, for the bulk of history, taken advantage of women as a group. That is, they have suppressed female needs and interests in favor of male needs and interests. If the phrase "toxic feminity" were ever used to describe the unfair negative beliefs society has about women, your interpretation of toxic masculinity would make sense. Toxic…
/r/MensRights27/04/17 09:45 AM
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That's equivalent to asking if we can stop thinking that a man's life is less valuable than a woman's. No chance in hell is that going to happen.
/r/MensRights26/04/17 11:20 PM
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The idea that overly strict gender roles create dangerous social norms for both men and women for instance. What would be an example of a strict gender role and a dangerous social norm that it created?
/r/MensRights26/04/17 05:45 PM
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I certainly think some of their points do have merit. Can you name one?
/r/MensRights26/04/17 04:35 PM
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I am curious to know what happened to the user we were debating in this thread. Did she delete her account or did the moderators nuke her commentary somehow?
/r/MensRights25/04/17 08:35 PM
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I agree that mothers are just as important as fathers. I think fathers are being marginalized as never before in the u.s., though, and motherhood is not under attack like fatherhood is. Hence the lopsided interest on my part.
/r/MensRights24/04/17 04:05 PM
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I can't see the content. I just see the text "removed"
/r/MensRights24/04/17 03:24 PM
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Your post says [removed]. Did the moderators object to something in your post?
/r/MensRights24/04/17 11:26 AM
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If you were going to get married and have kids, would you and your husband be a provider / provider couple or would one of you be a nurturer? If you were going to be a provider and your husband the nurturer, would you be ok with a 50 /50 split in the event that your husband decided he wanted a divorce and could show no fault on your part? Are you really on board with my take on child support (that the amount should be based on the average cost of raising a child and not on how much money either …
/r/MensRights24/04/17 11:19 AM
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I am going to assume (until you dispute this) that your objection to fault only divorce is that if two people get married with the best of intentions, one partner may find that they no longer love the other person and want to spend the rest of their life with them. So they should not have to show fault on the other person's part in order to get a divorce. I am fine with that except the person who wants out should pay some penalty for breaking their promises to the other person in some circumstan…
/r/MensRights23/04/17 11:33 PM
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Depends on how serious her attempt was to make a life together with the father was, and what prevented it from happening. I think the current state of family law is to only protect the interests of the nurturer in nurturer/provider partnerships. For example, the father could be divorced through no fault of his own in the U.S., be denied custody of his children, and have the majority of his money confiscated to pay for alimony and child support. This could be true even of the mother cheated on th…
/r/MensRights23/04/17 08:52 PM
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I have a lot more sympathy for people who, through no fault of their own (death or justified divorce) find themselves raising children on their own. I have a lot less sympathy for women who get pregnant at a sperm bank without a serious partner in the picture.
/r/MensRights23/04/17 08:15 PM
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American culture generally. That is how I see single moms protrayed in film and on T.V. I have not done careful research on this, so I can't prove this assertion to a skeptic. If you want some specific details of what I have directly observed (instead of just a vague assertion on 'how I see' things), one of the more memorable public fights that I have witnessed regarding single motherhood revolved around a popular T.V. show in the late 80's called "Murphy Brown." There was an episode in which th…
/r/MensRights23/04/17 07:42 PM
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Because I think single mothers aren't villains? I don't think single mothers are villains either. I don't think we have so many of them because of any character flaws on the part of women. I think we have so many because of the culture and legal system embracing many anti male ideas, fow which both men and women share blame. What I object to is how the concept of single motherhood is viewed in heroic terms, as a badge of honor proudly proclaimed. Anyway, I have not been following all of your pos…
/r/MensRights23/04/17 06:41 PM
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I would be curious to hear your thoughts feminism. Do you not identify as a feminist? If not, why not?
/r/MensRights23/04/17 06:03 PM
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What we (MRM) are doing is raising an army of commentators that advocate for men and boys. We are having amazing success in just a few years.
/r/MensRights22/04/17 05:09 PM
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What warranted the accusation of whining, trying to get a bill passed to mandate a rebuttable presumption of shared parenting, complaining that some women's groups are opposing that effort, or asking feminists to help get them passed?
/r/MensRights22/04/17 03:48 PM
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If by considered a threat you mean one parent accused the other and upon investigation significant evidence was found to corroborate the accusation, then I agree. A number of bills mandating that presumption have been proposed in the last few years and have been defeated, despite overwhelming public support, by various women's groups (and lawyers groups). It would be a great gesture of goodwill if feminist groups would start supporting such bills and the idea of a rebuttable presumption mandate.…
/r/MensRights22/04/17 02:24 PM
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So do you support a rebuttable presumption of shared custody in divorce cases?
/r/MensRights22/04/17 01:51 PM
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1 in 3 children being raised without their father is not just an occassional marriage falling apart because the father was abusive. Mothers are abusive at similar rates to fathers but the rate of children being raised without their mother is nowhere near 1 in 3. There has been a massive society wide devaluation of fatherhood.
/r/MensRights22/04/17 12:07 PM
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1 in 3 children is being raised without their father present I'm the U.S. The author is a single mother as was her mother and grandmother. I think fathers are not valued by society as much as mothers are. The author might stop to think about that. Or she can wait until her son is pushed our of his child's life and then pause to reflect in that direction.
/r/MensRights22/04/17 12:04 PM
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So, if it's consolidating and expanding its influence while doing almost nothing for ordinary women (and fuck-all for men), what is it? Answer: it's a global political movement. I would ask a different question: how is it that the belief that men have always conspired against women so that female interests and wants are unjustly suppressed in favor of male interests and wants has such wide support in culture and law? So much so that recognition of male victims of female perps and of anti-male so…
/r/MensRights18/04/17 05:09 PM
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I doubt this happens most of the time, although I could be wrong. However, claiming that it does, without being able to back that up with solid evidcene (statistics), it just doing to get you dismissed. A better argument goes like this. The cartoon depicts a nightmare scenario in which a man is disposessed of his family, house, and money through no fault of his own. It may not be the norm, but it happens enough that most people know of at least one case of a male relative falling prey to it. If …
/r/MGTOW17/04/17 05:12 PM
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Thanks for transcribing that, I wanted to keep a local copy and you saved me a lot of time.
/r/MensRights07/04/17 02:29 PM
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Thanks for posting that. That's one of the better summaries of men issues and feminism that I have seen in a long time. I have been using r/mr as a way to sharpen my persuasion and argumentation skills and I like to collect what I call battle-hardened arguments: arguments so well crafted that people have a hard time side stepping the truth in it with the usual smoke and mirrors that every society uses to avoid having to take responsibility for its own on-going crimes. I keep an archive (a local …
/r/MensRights07/04/17 02:27 PM
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Thanks for pointing that exchange out. I went back to the comments section to read it and it was glorious.
/r/MensRights31/03/17 04:13 PM
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For a science and data girl, she didn't offer much data. I think she only brought up data to dismiss Blaire's observations about how accused men are treated. And Laci is always talking about things "in her experience". In fairness, that's how most people are. Laci is not especially bad about any of this.
/r/MensRights30/03/17 09:57 PM
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I watched some segments of this the other day, when it was live. I was at an appointment and had some time on my hands. I didn't think Laci did much good faith arguing with Blaire. Blaire made a good effort to talk about the presumption of guilt applied to men accused of sexual assault and rape. I noticed that Laci, in response, said that we should rely on data to tell us how much of a problem rape is versus false allegations of rape, and then failed to cite any. In fairness to Laci, she had mad…
/r/MensRights30/03/17 06:53 PM
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She seems pretty mainstream in her attitudes. I don't get the hate you have for her. Waste of a life? Even with her mainstream views, she did make a youtube discussing circumcision and how harmful it is. That's a significant move to extend compassion toward men and boys. And more than most people will ever do.
/r/MensRights30/03/17 06:41 PM
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Very insightful article. As a psychologist, I would imagine he is going to get some pushback from his peers for taking men's issues seriously.
/r/MensRights30/03/17 03:40 AM
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I much prefer Nawahl el Sadawai's commentary to Ayaan ali Hirsi's. Nawahl is not a partisan politician known to make stuff up for effect.
/r/MensRights30/03/17 12:34 AM
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"Think this way" What way would that be? Think that men might have significant issues worthy of devoting significant resources to address? What is so wrong with thinking that? If that's not what she meant, then what did she mean?
/r/MensRights27/03/17 02:18 AM
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Then you agree with me that society is putting unreasonable demands on men w.r.t erections and their meaning.
/r/MensRights25/03/17 07:17 PM
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I have travelled to iran many times and when I go to public pools there, the locker rooms are set up so men do not see each other naked when changing (there are enough stalls for everyone). So privacy in the sense of not having other people see you naked is a concern that resonates widely. Privacy in the sense of not being seen naked by people of the opposite sex is cover for asserting that men are morally inferior to women.
/r/MensRights25/03/17 07:15 PM
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The idea that a man with an erection is having deliberate sexual thoughts has wide currency. You dispute that?
/r/MensRights25/03/17 05:47 PM
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Let me clarify the trans advocates position as I understand it. A person has a privacy right to use bathrooms that only contain other people who mentally identify as the same sex. A person does not have a privacy right to use bathrooms that only conta in other people of the same physical sex. My problem with this is: what is so bad about using a bathroom with people of the opposite mental or physical sex?
/r/MensRights25/03/17 12:17 PM
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I don't think this issue can be resolved in any meaningful/just/compassionate way without abolishing the separation of the sexes in bathrooms and locker rooms. Why should the preference of the male identifying female student to use the a locker room free of females be honored and the preference of the male identified male student to use a locker room free of females not be? What exactly would happen that was so bad if boys and girls, and women and men used the same bathrooms and locker rooms? I …
/r/MensRights25/03/17 12:06 PM
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Nice summary of the top level moving pieces of the machine we call politics. It's a useful model to keep in mind when trying to figure out why journalists do their particular dance so as to fan the flames of conflict at every opportunity.
/r/MensRights24/03/17 03:41 PM
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I believe circumcision is a mechanism that societies use to assure themselves that men and boys are disposable. Its a demonstration that, should the need arise, men and boys can be relied upon to run toward danger and absorb violence on society's behalf without pausing to complain, and without the friends and family around them (not fit for such service themselves) being able to raise much of a fuss about it. If you can convince parents to subject an utterly helpless infant, whom they are otherw…
/r/MensRights21/03/17 09:56 PM
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Cassie Jaye has succeeded beyond my wildest expectations. You are not going to stop detractors from reading malice into any title choice. All that matters is that she have a good story to tell about why she chose the title she did. She does. The scene from the matrix is known as the red pill scene. It's brilliant and fits the movie well.
/r/MensRights16/03/17 02:56 PM
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This just in, feminists are organizing a boycott of theater X for hosting a screening of "Down the Rabbit Hole". A spokesman for the boycott effort pointed out that Rabbit Hole is an obsecure reference to troublesome women, little known outside alt right white supremicists circles, and a clear marker of the MRM's connection to the alt right. "It is the patriotic duty of all upstanding citizens to no platform these crypto fascists".
/r/MensRights16/03/17 02:52 PM
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All sorts of thinks go over in court when no one is paying attention. This will be ferociously ignored by the MSM and forgotten in no time.
/r/MensRights15/03/17 02:11 PM
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What do you think the title should have been?
/r/MensRights15/03/17 02:08 PM
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The analogy she used about Caesar walking into the center of Rome and seeing 'Caesar is Cancer' written on a building was a great rhetorical device. So, are you scared like Caesar when he sees that, or are you scared like the pleb thinking about writing it would be?
/r/MensRights14/03/17 02:55 PM
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And if they waited until a draft was necessary, no one would stop to question it only applying to men. Anyone who tried to raise the point would be branded unpatriotic. The question has to be raised during peacetime, when it's encouraged to question the social order, or not at all. There are no social reformers in fox holes.
/r/MensRights04/03/17 12:19 PM
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She posits no logic or evidence, merely makes a claim. Nowhere in the image are any of the claims backed up. It rings hollow to me. Have you listened to any of her youtube videos (wherein she brings supporting evidence to bear), or do you only look for summary graphics of her to respond to?
/r/MensRights01/03/17 04:53 PM
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I missed the fact that she argued against using the feminist (or men's rights) labels. She is clearly not a self-described feminist. She probably doesn't realize the function labels have as a focal point for gathering institutional power. Like flags raised on a battle field, armies rally around them. Once an army is marching under a banner, you have to raise another army to stop their march. And you can't raise an army without a banner.
/r/MensRights07/02/17 09:42 PM
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While Jaye had a broad range of interviewees, speaking to scholars, Men’s Rights Activists, and hard-line feminists alike, she always spoke to her subjects by themselves. At the end of the day, we all want the same outcome: gender equality. It seems wasteful to have two groups going about achieving that goal independently. Why not just bring them together at a neutral location and help them work through their differences? So the authors theory as to why the sort of academic feminists interviewed…
/r/MensRights07/02/17 12:43 PM
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I think a crucial example to bring up is a man who starts dating a woman with a drinking problem who is good at hiding it. Should she get pregnant, she would be within her rights to refuse to get an abortion and to refuse to stop drinking. That is, to likely inflict fetal alcohol syndrome on the future child. I think the man in that scenario, once he realizes that she is drinking and pregnant with his child, should have standing to get a court order to have her taken into custody where she can b…
/r/MensRights06/02/17 01:58 PM
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We help hundreds of women with a lot of different things and we absolutely do not and never have condoned domestic violence against any gender. 'The vast majority of us are just women who need a space to express and explore our sexuality and talk about issues that are taboo in public.' So, she's going with the 'its just locker room talk' excuse then?
/r/MensRights03/02/17 10:02 PM
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Well, 1 and 2 are reasons the wage gap is a myth. So the unstated assumptions made by someone asserting the wage gap are the negatives of 1 and 2.
/r/MensRights01/02/17 08:37 PM
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Karen and Allison are deep students of argumentation. Both of them will, from time to time, post a youtube in which they give an overview of the strategic landscape of the public debate over feminism and men's rights. In each successive attempt, they keep raising the bar on themselves and each other. Allison's series on the Church of Women Worsting is one of her more recent summaries. This video was a masterpiece. It makes explicit the various false yet powerful assertions people make that men c…
/r/MensRights01/02/17 04:43 PM
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I think most men would take the side of the feminist in that conversation as well. From family court judges to the average man in the street. I'll bet there are more women willing to take the MRA iside of that conversation on at least a few issues than there are men in the general population. Most religious conservatives are also on board with the "oh boo hoo" points. They just wouldn't start out saying that they want men to express their emotions more.
/r/MensRights31/01/17 04:58 PM
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She wants the ability to back out of pregnancies to be equal between the sexes when abortion is illegal. Why does she have no interest in equalizing that when its legal (as it has been since the 1970s).
/r/MensRights25/01/17 08:51 PM
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If r v w were overturned, the court that did it would probably not stop at saying that the states should decide.
/r/MensRights22/01/17 04:40 AM
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I am not well read in the history on r v w. What lie are you referring to?
/r/MensRights22/01/17 01:11 AM
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I was there in DC. It was huge. I have never seen such a large crowd. This was mostly about sending trump a message that his opposition is not going to sit idly by while he and his cabinet dismantle hard won freedoms by doing things like repealing roe v wade . I think it was a good message to send. I don't think social justice warriors were a force to be reckoned with here, even though you could feel their presence. This was letting the religious right know that they are not going to get a free …
/r/MensRights21/01/17 09:28 PM
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Very interesting article. I was not aware of the DearBetsy campaign.
/r/MensRights16/01/17 05:00 PM
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I agree. Justice delayed is justice denied.
/r/MensRights16/01/17 04:35 AM
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Using the same court system that wrongly convicted him in the first place? Are you crazy? I remember when the brian banks story was making the rounds. He spent years in jail. He managed to record his accuser admitting that she made the whole thing up. When people asked the district attorney if they were going to pursue charges against his accuser, they replied "No. It would be too hard to prove." If the criminal justice system, and the surrounding culture (including the media), were at all conce…
/r/MensRights09/01/17 07:13 PM
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Our central goals should be to extend toward men and boys something like the compassion shown toward women and girls and to extend toward women and girls something like the respect/accountabilty shown men and boys. My advice to everyone who wants to lend a hand. continue using r/mr as a training ground for the the army of everyday commentators required to push back against the major mainstream narratives that demonize men and infantalize women. When you have an exchange that goes badly, where yo…
/r/MensRights09/01/17 05:35 PM
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Sociopaths are on one end of a broad spectrum of behavior. The use of political beliefs as badges of social membership is not an extreme behavior. Its part of the standard mental equipment that allows people to form large cooperative groups.
/r/MensRights08/01/17 10:34 PM
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how do I cope with this, knowing that there are women out there who want equality for everyone, yet they treat some men the exact same way I was treated? I think you underestimate the degree to which people use their political beliefs as badges of social membership. She didn't want equality for everyone, that was a symbolic belief. The way to deal with a world that has mean people like her in it is to judge them mostly by their patterns of behavior and not by their stated belief systems.
/r/MensRights08/01/17 12:52 PM
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You are taking that to mean the courts would modify the amount down if the payer doesn't make very much, but I think the court typically use that to modify the amount up if the payer makes more than most.
/r/MensRights02/01/17 09:29 AM
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You were the one who claimed that pregnancy was so dangerous that any comparison to the financial obligation of supporting a child was absurd. So VS quantified the risks of dying in childbirth and in the workplace. VS was not strawmanning or using false equivalency.
/r/MensRights02/01/17 12:09 AM
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I think which outcome (bringing a pregnancy to full term or having to emotionally and financially support a child to adulthood) is more onerous depends a lot on the individual woman and her goals and interests at the time. Surrogate mothers, for example, are willing to go through pregnancy and child birth for a lot less money than would be required to raise a child to adulthood. And many women are not only happy to go through pregnancy but would be devestated if they could not.
/r/MensRights01/01/17 03:26 PM
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When you question a sacred belief of society, the response is usually swift and unrelenting. You are attacked from lots of different angles until you back off. For men or women to speak up more like clockworkgirl21 suggests is the solution, but to do it effectively requires great care. Cassie jaye's documentary is going to spark lots of great discussions and is a great example of speaking up, but look at how much effort it took on her part and what sort of blow back she got. Had a few things bro…
/r/MensRights30/12/16 02:22 PM
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I think what we are waiting for next is whether the story gains traction in the MSM. Will the daily show cover it? Bill Maher? Colbert? Another move might be for the players to file a title ix lawsuit against the university on the grounds that the university denied the players a fair hearing which creates a hostile environment for black men.
/r/MensRights17/12/16 02:31 PM
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You can't inflict trauma on an infant just because they won't have a conscious memory of it and think you have done them no harm. Trauma leaves emotional scars.
/r/MensRights14/12/16 04:41 AM
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In your article you claim that it is "...one of the most egregious violations of human rights in history." So yeah' you put it right up there with other human rights violations. What puts it up there with one of the most egregious violations of human rights in history. is not how bad it is when it happens to a single person. Its how bad it is when done routinely to millions of infants a year.
/r/MensRights13/12/16 11:02 PM
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comparing the removal of a small piece of flesh with things like thumbscrews If someone held you down, and pulled out out of your fingernails, would you consider that torture? What if someone took a knife and cut off one of your earlobes? Its just a small piece of flesh, right?
/r/MensRights13/12/16 10:59 PM
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If you had an adult man restrained and used a scalpel to remove his foreskin without anesthesia, there would be no doubt in your mind that it was torture. Why does it cease to be torture if you do it to a helpless infant? If anything, that makes it seem even more cruel to me. BTW, an adult man's foreskin is not fused to the glans like a male infant's would be. This requires the foreskin to be separated (peeled back or separated with a knife). Something that would be at least as painful as having…
/r/MensRights13/12/16 10:56 PM
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In my other reply to your post, I asked you two questions: So, you do then assert that the average man took unfair advantage of / oppressed the average woman for the bulk of history? And you see how a consequence of that assertion is that men are morally inferior to women? I am at a loss to understand why you would hesitate to answer it. Do you see those as trick questions?
/r/MensRights06/12/16 10:49 PM
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This whole decision had nothing to do with the movie, and everything to do with the CAFE society,"he said. "I don't want those guys in my building." Interesting variation in tactics. It's not the movie, it's the people who want to show it.
/r/MensRights06/12/16 12:43 PM
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So, you do then assert that the average man took unfair advantage of / oppressed the average woman for the bulk of history? And you see how a consequence of that assertion is that men are morally inferior to women?
/r/MensRights05/12/16 06:29 PM
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I fear, given the political nature of the issue, no one will ever feel comfortable telling the truth. I think people in general are uncomfortable thinking about the problem of false accusations and convictions. Prosecutors, former prosecutors, and more generally people on "team law enforcement" are going to be even less so (seeing as how any knowledge on their part would require them to act, which would undermine the authority they wield). I find it amazing that Janet Reno worked as hard as she …
/r/MensRights05/12/16 04:21 PM
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Have you noticed how lots of people believe that the average man oppressed the average woman for the bulk of history? No, I haven't. The definition makes no mention of average men or average women. In fact, it explicitly specifies leadership positions. Have you ever heard the assertion that women were treated like property in the past (time frames are not explicitly given when making this claim, but most people hearing it assume it applies at least through the end of the 19th century). Assuming …
/r/MensRights05/12/16 01:53 PM
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Thanks for bringing that up. That is one of the most interesting reports, and statistics regarding false reporting, out there. Unlike the other stats on rape and false rape accusations which amount to lower bounds, the stat that one in four dna samples tested by the fbi lab exonerates the accused is a direct estimate of prevalence. When Janet reno died a few weeks ago, I tried to point out that she deserved a lot of credit for taking an active interest in the plight of the falsely convicted. She…
/r/MensRights05/12/16 11:25 AM
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I am confused. You ask for what we (posters at r/mr) mean when we use the term patriarchy theory. I propose a definition involving the average man and average woman throughout history. You object that "The definition" makes no reference to average. Which definition are you referring to?
/r/MensRights04/12/16 07:55 PM
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Have you noticed how lots of people believe that the average man oppressed the average woman for the bulk of history? Most people who attack patriarchy theory are attacking that belief. So that's what they mean by it. Did you really not already know what I just explained? Or were you just trying to prevent honest discussion by starting a debate over the absurdly complex academic theories over the term patriarchy theory? Squirting intellectual octopus ink link that into the waters of the debate i…
/r/MensRights04/12/16 12:56 PM
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Most people who identify as feminist believe that men as a group conspired against women as a group to take unfair advantage of them for the bulk of history. They see women as the primary victims of history, and the average man as their tormentor. That is, they see women as morally superior to men. You don't see how absurd, unfair, and hateful toward men that belief is? That widespread belief has led to the justice system being weaponized against men (Duluth model, VAWA, Dear Colleague Letter) u…
/r/MensRights04/12/16 12:31 PM
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Do you believe that, for most of history, men as a group oppressed women as a group?
/r/MensRights04/12/16 12:26 AM
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Interesting link. Thanks!
/r/MensRights01/12/16 08:12 PM
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I really like your analysis. This paragraph of hers caught my eye: With the gender pay gap still yawning wide and men showing no sign of relinquishing the top spots in business around the world, it’s easy to scoff at the very idea of them being at a disadvantage. I find it interesting that she can double-think her way around the pay gap so completely but not around cassie's arguments in the red pill. I think scott adams analysis of how little facts matter, and how much the art of persuasion does…
/r/MensRights01/12/16 02:54 PM
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Thank you so much for assembling that.
/r/MensRights01/12/16 02:11 AM
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Where does the raw data come from and how hard is it to argue from that data directly? Is it just a few table lookups? I'd really like to be able to walk a hostile critic through that with my eyes closed.
/r/MensRights29/11/16 07:44 PM
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This article does a good job of looking at historical gender roles and arguing that women and men created them together in order to survive. The standard feminist take is that men as a group dominated women as a group for their own benefit at the expense of women. The feminist take has great currency and is hard to argue against unless you have studied history in some depth and can offer compelling examples. That article does that very well.
/r/MensRights29/11/16 02:10 PM
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I think breitbart is doing a great job of disrupting the MSM and sjw narratives. Those narratives are one of the major forces shutting down an honest conversation about men's rights. I can't think of many other sites contributing as much on that front as breitbart. Breitbart is the reason The Red Pill was funded and completed, for example. A voice for men wasn't even able to pull that off. The fact that breitbart in not an MRA site is beside the point. They are fellow travellers and very effecti…
/r/MensRights22/11/16 05:47 PM
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She laid into him for saying that feminism is cancer. Given that feminist idealogs were responsible for pushing the idea of patriarchy, I think the cancer assertion is reasonable.
/r/MensRights22/11/16 01:36 AM
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Ok. I watched it. I think this is relevant to men's rights. One of the biggest challenges facing the MRM is the way we are demonized by the MSM, and our arguments routinely taken out of context. I saw her doing that with Milo and he didn't let her get away with it. This was an exercise in argumentation. A very good one. One of the main reasons I come to r/mr is to learn how to engage in that sort of argumentation. Milo is one of the best. For example, consider his feminism is cancer line. How is…
/r/MensRights22/11/16 01:33 AM
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How did he know that twitter stopped it from trending? Is this an action opprotunity?
/r/MensRights21/11/16 12:47 PM
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Can you link to an example of an antifemimist post to r/mr you think is misplaced?
/r/MensRights19/11/16 04:42 PM
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Try recording some of your daily conversation, then listen to it a week later. One thing that happens when you are being emotionally dominated is that you are motivated to downplay and forget the worst aspects of how you are treated. If you are doing that you will be shocked at how harsh the audio is when you listen a week later. Your subconscious will have softened your memory of the conversation and hearing it later will amaze you.
/r/MensRights18/11/16 02:27 AM
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I think you may be onto something.
/r/MensRights16/11/16 02:44 AM
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I think he said that he didn't want his girlfriend at the time to get an abortion and was devestated by it. So if they put her on the stand and she says that he wanted her to get an abortion, it argues that he is making stuff up for other reasons. Like he wants her to pay child support.
/r/MensRights15/11/16 08:33 PM
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Assuming the problems have to do with a lack of compassion being shown to you by the community around you, if not outright hostility to issues you face as a man, yes, they are normal. As for what you can do to change it, aim lower. Your should be asking yourself what you can do to have a full, meaningful, satisfying life despite the forces at work that demonize and disadvantage men. People are generally good natured and want to help, but if you call into question their sacred beliefs, they can b…
/r/MensRights15/11/16 07:08 PM
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I think this essay is the best introduction to what the MRM is about. Its not that long, and raises fundamental questions about gender roles that you have probably never heard before. After reading it, you'll wonder how you could have accepted the common notion that women are the victims of history, and the men were their tormentors without bringing the slightest scrutiny to bear against it. It lays bare the strategic landscape that gave rise to feminism and makes it obvious what the MRM is up t…
/r/MensRights15/11/16 06:56 PM
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What problems have you faced?
/r/MensRights15/11/16 04:15 PM
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Now, for the metrosexuals that live in New York City and go to Columbia University and get jobs on Wall Street and make lots of money, they can afford to ignore it and just say, ‘Well, you know, I live a privileged life. This is the price of doing it.’ But you know, if you’re a mother with two sons in Michigan and the factory’s closed and your husband’s unemployed, and you send your kids to the public schools and they confront a well-oiled machine to keep down white males, you’re gonna vote the …
/r/MensRights15/11/16 11:57 AM
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So what brought you to the MRM?
/r/MensRights15/11/16 11:47 AM
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What a problematic evening for her.
/r/MensRights11/11/16 12:28 PM
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What makes her evil? edit: if you really thought someone was evil, and a skeptic asked you to elaborate, it wouldnt make sense that you had nothing much to say is response. I think Janet reno is a symbol to you, and calling her evil is a way of asserting something else.
/r/MensRights08/11/16 04:56 PM
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She didn't order them to burn down the buildings, or to murder anyone. she ordered a raid.
/r/MensRights08/11/16 01:38 PM
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Just to be clear, you think that in a hostage situation, the police should never raid and always wait the captors out, and whoever makes the decision to raid is responsible for any deaths that result? edit: consistently advocating that exonerating the innocent is a just cause worthy of serious attention over a period of decades is not a "single honest action". How many other prosecutors do you know who have made a stink about false convictions? That NIJ report goes through a number of cases of w…
/r/MensRights08/11/16 11:56 AM
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And if the children had been harmed by Koresh or his followers, then Janet would be blamed for not raiding them. I have not concluded that Janet was not at fault, but 'had it not been for the raid the children would still be alive' is not enough of an analysis to conclude that she was at fault either. And the initial move against the Davidian's was done before Reno took office, BTW (The standoff began on February 28, 1993, twelve days before Reno was installed as Attorney-General). Given that th…
/r/MensRights07/11/16 09:01 PM
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I don't know a lot of detail on what went down in Waco, beyond the fact that federal agents stormed the Davidian buildings and most of the people were burned alive in a fire that started during the raid. One interpretation of that is that Janet, in ordering the raid, was either reckless or malicious. I can think of another explanation. The agents, in conducting the raid, soon after some of their fellows had been shot, were reckless in carrying it out. I don't know that that's what happened, but …
/r/MensRights07/11/16 07:55 PM
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I am not well read on that case, but let's assume that Janet was guilty of falsely convicting innocent people in that case by abusing he enormous powers that prosecutors typically wield. I suspect that such abuse is widespread among prosecutors. Routine even. Have you noticed how rare it is for the public debate to linger long on that topic? I submit that, as a society, we tolerate an outrageous amount of such abuse of power in the justice system. Are you with me so far?
/r/MensRights07/11/16 07:51 PM
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I see these past 5 years as one victory after another in public awareness of men's rights issues. Just to list a few Donglegate: adria was fired and the comment sections of the MSM articles covering it were overrun by professional women supporting men against draconian sexual harassment laws The law suits against universities denying male students due process Rolling Stone uva rape story collapse Emma sulkowitz: the details of her texts with the accused have been published and are damning. youtu…
/r/MensRights05/11/16 12:32 PM
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That graph is fascinating Thanks so much for posting it
/r/MensRights04/11/16 07:02 PM
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If The Red Pill goes on to be the game changing success I suspect it is on the way to, she will have no problem getting funding for her future projects. When she says she is not on anyone's side, she doesn't mean she has no philosophy guiding her creative work, or a set of coherent positions and deep interests, she just means she is not interested in declaring for any particular identity group. You assert that gathering funding is impossible without clear identity group affiliations, so if she c…
/r/MensRights04/11/16 03:15 PM
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It doesn't matter how good of a truth telling piece you make when if the truths you want to tell are hated by the MSM fiercely enough. They will simply view it as nazi propaganda and that will be enough to shut you down. FTFY. Seem ridiculous phrased that way, doesn't it?
/r/MensRights04/11/16 03:08 PM
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I suspect that, early in the history of most courageous acts that profoundly shaped the future by telling keys truths long denied, there was a heavy risk of having ones reputation destroyed. Its a bit early to be calling it either way, but it looks to me like Cassie is going to win big. She struck a great blow against long odds. I couldn't be more proud of her.
/r/MensRights04/11/16 03:03 PM
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I wonder if the authors have received any blow back for having written it? I would expect they have. Their analysis is pretty damning to the establishment.
/r/MensRights03/11/16 05:32 PM
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That article's analysis of the dishonesty of the female victim of male perp paradigm in sexual violence research was very well done. It is encouraging to see a study like published in official channels like NIH. Thank you so much for linking it here.
/r/MensRights03/11/16 05:12 PM
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For purely biological reasons, there is little doubt that adult victims of such crimes are mostly female I take it she means to say that the average man can overpower the average woman. However, when you live with someone, you have to sleep sometime, and when you do, your partner can stun you so badly eith a single blow that you can not defend yourself, regardless of how much stronger than them you are. So the only real limit to how much damage one person can do to another lies not in how strong…
/r/MensRights03/11/16 02:19 AM
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Does anyone know why, on rotten tomatoes, the red pill still only has a single professional review (Alan Scherstuhl of the village voice)?
/r/MensRights31/10/16 04:04 PM
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Plenty of people on the left and right need to see this.
/r/MensRights21/10/16 04:34 PM
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I would like to see cassie and any other rights holders make a lot of money on the film if it becomes a smashing success. It's a bit early to tell but I predict it will be big success. I think the world is ready for a film like this.
/r/MensRights21/10/16 11:09 AM
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That's a great catch. Were you the only one scratching your head at that, or did some of your classmates also notice that? If you don't mind, could you give the title and author of the textbook you are using? That sounds like a great action opportunity. The authors of the text should have to defend that omission. It may even be that the authors would agree with you, but their publisher's forced them to remove any mention of male victims. Whatever actually went down, there will be people who were…
/r/MensRights20/10/16 09:48 PM
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After all the word feminist is often used a derogatory slur against men who deemed to be trying to get into women's pants by pretending he cares about their mental state, when he really doesn't, that's how the word "feminist" is used in popular slang I think that's an accurate portrayl of the mindset of a significant fraction of male feminists. Not always trying to get into their pants literally, but seeking their approval as protector while not caring about their potential as useful people othe…
/r/MensRights19/10/16 02:03 PM
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Thanks for putting that together. Its amazing how powerful the narrative of men taking advantage of women is. It seems to flourish the most when used to tell stories about people in far off places.
/r/MensRights18/10/16 10:19 PM
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Because it's a way for society to demonstrate that men are still disposable.
/r/MensRights17/10/16 04:18 AM
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I like your strategy but you missed a spot. What makes you think rape is more of a problem for women than men? It's probably true that more men are prosecuted for rape than women are, but are they victimized more? To know that you need to look at crime victim surveys. The NISVS, the CDC's National Intimite Partner and Sexual Assault Victim Survey, found that 1.1% of men and women surveyed had been raped in the prior 12 months, if you included made-to-penetrate as being raped. If you exclude made…
/r/TheRedPill15/10/16 12:11 PM
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Thanks!
/r/MensRights14/10/16 03:02 AM
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You mean someone who goes on about how privileged white males are? You don't think that concept has any currency to speak of? Really?
/r/MensRights13/10/16 07:31 PM
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A murderer doesn't call into question the sacred beliefs of the surrounding society. Yes, that killing someone is wrong is a sacred belief, and rightly so. But a murderer is not, through their speech or actions, a serious threat to the widespread belief that murder is wrong. An MRA, however, who calls into question the idea that men should be easily disposed of in the spheres of war and work? Now that is a threat. Every society has a long list of sacred beliefs, and calling them into question is…
/r/MensRights12/10/16 09:03 PM
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Your observations about how the public debate is structured are all consequences of the brutal fact that all societies that have survived to the modern day have held that men are disposable and women are not. Those that did not held men disposable were overrun by the ones that did. This essay explores how gender roles evolved in light of the disposability of men, and how modern traditionalist and feminist attitudes follow from it. I find it a lot more illuminating that other explanations. Here a…
/r/MensRights12/10/16 05:02 PM
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There is not enough information in this article to say that this is a false accusation or not. One positive thing to see is that serious charges like this went through the actual court system and not a university grievance procedure.
/r/MensRights02/10/16 06:39 PM
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You don't think there were slave owners who sincerely believed that blacks were some combination of stupid and violent and therefore needed to be enslaved and given productive work for their own good?
/r/MensRights01/10/16 10:24 PM
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I don't think any of the offered explanations for circumcision in the U.S. hold up to scrutiny. When women were denied access to the fields of education and public sphere work, the offered reasons were that it was for their own good. Not intended to limit or harm them, but to raise the quality of their life. Looking back on that, do you also not consider that oppression?
/r/MensRights01/10/16 06:08 PM
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I think such doublethink is quite commonly used when justifying oppression. If you were to talk to a slave plantation owner from the antebellum south, they would have told you what they were doing was better for the slaves than setting them free. The reasoning would have rested upon the assertion that blacks were some combination of stupid and violent, and had to be in bondage and set to productive work for their own good. Translating that back into modern, the reasoning is that a man's sexualit…
/r/MensRights01/10/16 05:56 PM
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You say this Circumcision is so popular because puritans started spreading it around to make masturbation more difficult and this: but the reasoning most people have for it is not rooted in any desire to oppress men Which is it? If taking a knife to the genitals of someone so that masturbation will not be as enjoyable to them is not oppression, then what is?
/r/MensRights30/09/16 08:17 PM
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I think you nailed it. Every society that has survived to the modern day has figured out a way to keep its men disposable in work and in war. The ones that didn't were overrun by their neighbors who did. That's no small trick, BTW, and each society has a different set of tools and mechanisms for pulling it off. How do you ensure that, when the need arises, you can call on men to march to their deaths in defense of society without significant protest? I think the ritual of circumcision is a demon…
/r/MensRights30/09/16 05:01 PM
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I think the OP's is very much on to something. Have you noticed how much attention the problem of sexual assault in the millitary is getting now that women are entering the armed forces? The safety of men is the millitary is being taken a lot more seriously now that it is being opened to women. Men simply don't warrant nearly as much compassion as women do.
/r/MensRights22/09/16 09:32 PM
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cadet: hey serge, why do we have to practice knife throwing? in a nuke fight, isn't it all just pressing buttons? sergeant: cadet, put your hand up against that wall cadet: aw come on serge sergeant: Cadet! (cadet slowly raises his hand against the wall, covers his eyes) (sergeant throws a knife, nailing the cadet's hand to the wall) (sergeant walks up to screaming cadet and faces the other cadets, arranging his own arms like a price-is-right model displaying a new car) sergeant: the enemy can n…
/r/MensRights22/09/16 09:25 PM
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Lots of 2xers routinely stick up for men. I don't think of 2x as a place that where the mods and the subs work together to stamp out stories that would demonstrate compassion for men.
/r/MensRights14/09/16 10:58 AM
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I hadn't considered that. Good point.
/r/MensRights08/09/16 12:24 AM
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The public debate consists mainly of the skillful use of repetition. As a result of discussing this now, lots of people who didn't know about her lie will learn it and be able to bring it up during debates over the wage gap.
/r/MensRights07/09/16 08:29 PM
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Nine times out of ten, looking after your business interests means supporting expectant mothers and those with children. However, sometimes it does not. She's talking out of both sides of her mouth. She's a gynocentrist who wants to turn down the intensity a little. Her concern for men starts and ends with how well they can support women. She has no direct compassion for them. We see this when she writes If this differential carries on unchecked, girls born this year will be 75 per cent more lik…
/r/MensRights07/09/16 10:49 AM
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We have heard some very disturbing stories as universities move to the new evidence standard. ... I regard that as teething problems, which are being sorted out by Title IX claims from the men. Teething problems? The dear colleague letter specified that collages use the preponderance of the evidence standard allow accusers to appeal, if the accused could appeal (double jeopardy) The are obvious violations of due process. The universities should have started complaining about those as soon as the…
/r/MensRights01/09/16 07:25 PM
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I think the good new days that you want to create, where due process is denied and female accusers are simply believed would be a lot worse.
/r/MensRights01/09/16 01:42 PM
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The schools in these cases must feel themselves to be in an impossible position. On the one hand, they must take sexual assault seriously and remedy their previously neglectful handling of claims. Not doing enough means risking a federal Title IX investigation, with the threat of losing federal funding. (Because of the threat of defunding, schools could even be said to have a financial stake in the outcomes of the cases they decide—a possible conflict of interest.) But, when schools do too much,…
/r/MensRights31/08/16 07:21 PM
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That was the perfect call on legaladvice's hypocrisy. Well done OP!
/r/MensRights30/08/16 08:56 PM
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What makes you think that?
/r/MensRights30/08/16 01:34 AM
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But for Pete's sake, people, sue! I think that, when someone has been accused of sexual assault and then flagrantly denied due process, saying that they should sue is cold. A lot of people can barely afford to go to collage in the first place, and go into serious debt to do so. So their financial resources are already strained, and they also have the extreme emotional stress of being publicly accused of a heinous crime. Asking them to do anything that requires significant resources is out of lin…
/r/MensRights29/08/16 05:08 PM
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Its one thing to assert that someone did something wrong. That can be forgiven. But to demonstrate undeniably that what they did was wrong is unforgivable.
/r/MensRights22/08/16 03:39 PM
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Most state laws define forced sex as rape, which would include made to penetrate. However, the flagship academic victim survey, the NISVS, which tries to determine the nature and prevalence of sexual coercion in the u.s., chose a definition that excludes made to penetrate. So we have the police and courts being more progressive and open minded that the academics studying crime. Academics trying to pull society backwards.
/r/MensRights22/08/16 01:02 PM
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I would imagine that sort of analysis is typical of court findings of wrong doing and that little else ever is. Anyone who has a problem with the idea that a university could be found guilty of wrong doing by destroying sexual assault hearing notes has a problem with the general concept of a court ever finding evidence of wrong doing.
/r/MensRights17/08/16 07:38 PM
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Thank you for collecting that righteous set of links.
/r/MensRights14/08/16 06:18 PM
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I noticed you referenced a study of life expectancy in between monks and nuns that found only one year advantage for nuns. I had heard of that study years ago and not been able to find it again. This piece has lots of great references. Thank you for writing it.
/r/MensRights08/08/16 01:15 PM
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The filmmaker, Brendon Marotta, also has a blog here, and its very interesting. He and Scott Adams have been referencing each other's blog posts, and both like to write about Trump versus Hillary and the role of persuasion tactics in election campaigns.
/r/MensRights01/08/16 02:12 PM
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Hey, newsmax, SABRINA ERDELY is the reporter in question. There, was that so hard?
/r/MensRights29/07/16 03:25 PM
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The problem is, in many countries, if the birth certificate says one thing, but dna another, they go by the birth certificate as that's the legal document. That may be the proximate problem, but the ultimate problem is the compassion gap. If men were proper objects of compassion, the dna results would override the birth certificate details. We would find a way to see justice done and not hide behind procedure if we cared to.
/r/MensRights29/07/16 03:20 PM
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What I find the most interesting about stories where the courts are being outrageously unjust is which types of cases are picked up the the MSM and amplified to the point where the judicial system has to address it, and which ones get hardly any coverage, allowing the courts to get away with handwaving and paper thin reasoning like "I am not going to read this because you already had a chance and screwed it up."
/r/MensRights29/07/16 03:18 PM
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After Atkins learned the truth, he tried to submit the DNA test to an Arapahoe County judge, but the family law judge refused to accept the evidence because Atkins, who represented himself at the time, didn’t know the legal rules for submitting evidence. When Atkins came back later with an attorney, his appeal was denied because the judge said he had already been given his opportunity to submit the DNA results. Any lawyers care to comment on this? Is the judge just making stuff up or do you only…
/r/MensRights29/07/16 01:45 PM
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Whoopi: I've seen you stick up for men on a number of occasions when everyone else was all to happy to throw them under the bus. For example when Joe Biden went on the view and you asked him point blank about male victims of domestic violence. You forced him to dance an absurd Texas Two Step and it was glorious. So you have a lot of goodwill with me. I don't often see people stick their necks out on principle when everyone else in the room is locking arms against them. This is not one of your pr…
/r/MensRights29/07/16 12:20 AM
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There is really not enough information in that article to conclude that the parents are brainwashing their child into this. It could be a case of gender disphoria, in which case, delaying puberty is the right thing to do. Most of the commenters in this thread are jumping to conclusions because it fits the narrative of out of control anti-male gender theorists running amok. I do think that society has lots of anti-male forces at work but we don't know that that's what's going on here.
/r/MensRights25/07/16 05:24 PM
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Ok, why do you suppose that circumcision is so hard to get rid of in the societies that practice it? Is it because the men in those societies are especially selfish?
/r/MensRights24/07/16 11:03 PM
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I don't think it's a selfish act, it's a groupish act. Circumcision is a marking ritual that creates a sense of belonging to the wider society. It was important to the father because he was stepping outside of his culture when he married and wanted to feel that he and his sons still belonged to it. I am not defending it mind you, I think it's a violation of human rights, but if you want to eventually stop it you have to understand what problem people are solving when the perpetuate it.
/r/MensRights24/07/16 05:19 PM
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I think numbers2357 was proceeding ruductio ad absurdem to question the MSM's making it about race. They were not making it about race. They were pointing out the contradictions of the MSM's narrative that it is about race.
/r/MensRights12/07/16 10:53 PM
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Religious conservatives are all about keeping men disposable. I predict that feminists will extend compassion to men before religious conservatives will. Religious conservatives will defend men only when the utility of men to society is being threatened. I have to admit I can't explain why huckabee would defend men on this point, unless he's just trying to fuck the black lives matter. I would be very suspicious that he really means it.
/r/MensRights12/07/16 10:47 PM
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She wants a seat on the steering committe. I think she is making a power play. She is saying,"follow me and I will leverage your power into more female privilege. You just got too greedy, so tone down the male bashing. I will tell you how much. The alternative is that men become proper objects of compassion and women are no longer afforded special treatment and that's the last thing we want."
/r/MensRights12/07/16 01:29 PM
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It seems to me that she's trying to salvage feminism as a powerful movement for advancing female intetests by reining in the male bashers. It's absurd to think the male bashers will listen to her given what a centerpiece of feminist thought patriarchy theory is. I really dislike what she seems to be up to. Either call for justice or get out of the way, but don't attempt to take preserve the army that has been burning the countryside so you can turn it toward burning a more carefully defined area…
/r/MensRights12/07/16 11:42 AM
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That would be my bet.
/r/MensRights09/07/16 02:40 PM
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Could you quote the source code of such a program here?
/r/MensRights09/07/16 12:22 AM
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Even though it got to within 3% of the mean of averaging over the full 100,000 by randomly sampling it? I think the "base" set of data here is the 100,000, which is not absurdly narrow.
/r/MensRights08/07/16 10:48 PM
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What they did was just a simple natural language filters - by no means cutting edge tech. Are you telling me that writing a program to categorize this: I think kelly is a slut as insulting and these I think kelly is a slut is a horrible thing to say I think kelly is a slut. Just kidding, anyone who would say something like that is not worth paying attention to. as not-insulting is simple?
/r/MensRights08/07/16 10:45 PM
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I am having a hard time believing that a program could reliably distinguish an insult using slut from a comment referencing the word slut. What you could do is, after gathering a large body of tweeks, start randomly selecting tweets and have people read them to determine whether the terms were being used as an insult, or commented on. The report should include the full text of the tweets, taggeg as "insult" or "neutral reference". If you had 100,000 such tweets, and randomly analyzed 1000, you m…
/r/MensRights08/07/16 09:27 PM
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In other news, a civil rights organization has demanded racially separated drinking fountains.
/r/MensRights08/07/16 09:22 PM
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What sort of formal immunity do prosecutors have? Surely they can be prosecuted for violating the constitution? If not, why even have a constitution?
/r/MensRights08/07/16 07:03 PM
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Valenti and others argue that man-hating cannot do any real damage because men have the power and privilege. Few would deny the historical reality of male dominance. Count me as one of the few. Dominance? As in, the powerful were mostly men? Can the author distinguish between these two propositions? Those who are powerful are men. Those who are men are powerful. I contend that those are two very different propositions. One was obviously true and the other is the apex fallacy. The phrase 'male do…
/r/MensRights01/07/16 07:38 PM
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I think you went from talking about segregating victims, which makes no sense, to segregating victims and offenders, which makes perfect sense, as a strategy. Like you wanted the legitimacy of one form of segregation to rub off on the other.
/r/MensRights28/06/16 08:06 PM
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I thought you were sincerely arguing that male and female victims should occupy segregated therapy spaces, lest harmful triggering ensue. Now you are employing sarcasm to diminish that very position? I don't speak Snark well enough to translate that back into Rational.
/r/MensRights28/06/16 06:26 PM
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I have no problem separating offenders and victims. The problem I have is separating victims by sex and race. Did I really have to explain that?
/r/MensRights28/06/16 05:28 PM
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So if a white victim, who had been robbed and severely beaten by a black attacker, was triggered by having to share the same therapist office with a black victim who had been robbed and severely beaten by a white attacker, which would you think would make more sense: cater to that irrational fear by have therapists segregate the victims they work with by race so victims don't have to share spaces with other identity groups don't cater to that irrational fear by refusing to segregate. The white a…
/r/MensRights28/06/16 04:54 PM
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What's wrong with male and female victims sharing a facility? I don't get their objection.
/r/MensRights28/06/16 04:12 PM
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We need to educate men that women are not objects and that consent should be given before any romantic/sexual advances are made I was with you until you made this claim. Society has not failed to educate both men and women that forcing someone to have sex with you is a crime and morally unacceptable. The idea that is has failed (to educate men) is an assertion that women are morally superior to men. As assertion of female supremacy. Anyone who accepts that premise has already lost the ability to…
/r/MensRights27/06/16 06:05 PM
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especially after the part where he said she protested him saying anything. Sounds to me like he's a controlling dick, not the other way around. I hadn't thought that through. If she really protested him saying anything, it does point to him being the dick.
/r/MensRights24/06/16 10:13 PM
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I wonder which way the control goes. A mess to clean up? She flips out and it's his responsibility to calm her down?
/r/MensRights24/06/16 12:22 PM
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Yes, and to his complete surprise feminists started targeting him for saying that women were weak and needed male protection. It got so bad he took the original piece down. I suspect he was didn't realize what men were up against and has been working out a strategy to fight back for some time now.
/r/MensRights23/06/16 09:01 PM
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Seems like a list of reasonable steps, but none of those will happen until after the "long march through the institutions". We won't get any if those until we are on the brink of getting all of them. Each one would require closing the compassion gap, which has existed since the dawn of time. I think we are making great progress, mind you. I just think that further progress will consist of mastering the war of commentary over unfolding skirmishes like donglegate, rolling stone, the dear colleague…
/r/MensRights22/06/16 05:09 PM
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Sounds like they have a lot of allegations against him, it remains to be seen what evidence they have. And his telling her to kill herself is not a death threat.
/r/MensRights20/06/16 06:57 PM
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What death threats did he make?
/r/MensRights20/06/16 05:23 PM
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Good point, the issue is not a speedy trial of the defense is delaying. I do think that they should have to show something beyond the say-so of his accusers that to justify keeping him in custody during discovery, though. Have they done that? BTW, if by physical evidence you mean evidence that he had sex with some of them, I don't think that is evidence of rape by itself. It would require witnesss or some sort to their being forced, or threatened, and that is not physical evidence. Or are you sa…
/r/MensRights20/06/16 04:48 PM
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You mean just like what happened when brian banks proved that he was innocent, by taping a confession of his accuser, and the press covered it for a few weeks, and after the prosecutor refused to bring charges on the logic that a false accusation is hard to prove, his case was promptly forgotten? That's my prediction.
/r/MensRights20/06/16 11:53 AM
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The fact that they are dragging their feet says otherwise.
/r/MensRights20/06/16 11:45 AM
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And if he's found guilty on the say so of the girls alone?
/r/MensRights20/06/16 02:54 AM
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I also heard that once, although I had heard the gap was 2 years.
/r/MensRights17/06/16 06:54 PM
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Men take on more stress because society holds them accountable to a far larger degree. Stress kills.
/r/MensRights17/06/16 03:05 AM
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I had forgotten about that article. Jesus that's dark.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 01:57 PM
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This is one way. Another is that, when you live with someone, you have to sleep sometime, and when you do, the other person can stun you so badly with a frying pan or other weapon in the first blow that you won't be able to defend yourself. At that point, you are completely at their mercy. So as far as domestic violence is concerned, size and strength are irrelevant. All that really matters is how vicious of a personality the two people have. If one is vicious and the other not, you have a recip…
/r/MensRights15/06/16 01:53 PM
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Good one.
/r/MensRights15/06/16 02:20 AM
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The biggest issue I think is that really, there probably is no absolute answer. In the end we're going to have to find a middle ground that both sides agree with. Roe v Wade draws the line at the end of the first trimester. Before that point, the court held that a woman's right to privacy overrides any state interest. After that point, a state can pass a law to prevent a women obtaining an abortion.
/r/MensRights14/06/16 07:50 PM
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So Johnny objecting to her asking for alimony is 'using it against her', it being the crassness of her obviously gold-digging request, then what should her asking for the court to give her his money be called? Her using it against him, where it is a court system that is obviously biased against men and sorely in need of reform.
/r/MensRights14/06/16 07:46 PM
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Her lawyer previously claimed that Amber had only asked for short-term monthly payments because she thought it was standard procedure in a divorce case. If it turns out that the domestic violence charges were false, I wonder if the articles will then say: Her lawyer previously claimed that Amber had only made allegations of abuse because she thought it was standard procedure in a divorce case.
/r/MensRights14/06/16 06:58 PM
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I can see why you think it should be, but I just can't reconcile that with the fact that invariably you would end up with situations where a woman changes her mind after the fact, and she is now being legally forced not to have an abortion. What do you make of the fact the roe v wade draws the line at end of the first trimester for the point at which a women's right to privacy ends and the state can have a law forbidding an abortion. Do you object to that provision for the same reason?
/r/MensRights14/06/16 06:26 PM
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So you agree with me that such a promise should be legally enforcable? Or you are simply conceding that a man could ask that of a woman, and if she agreed, she would not be legally bound by it. BTW, what's the difference between asking and, upon refusal, walking away, and demanding? Those strike me as the same thing. Unless you are only commenting on the tone of voice used.
/r/MensRights14/06/16 05:19 PM
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I would argue that there are some women and men who get emotionally attached to a fetus even at an early stage of pregnancy and are devestated by the loss. For someone in that category, I think its fair for them to ask a potential sexual partner to make the make a good faith effort to see the birth and raising of the child through, should a pregnancy result despite their having used birth control. I think its fair for a woman to ask that of a man and for a man to ask that of women. And its fair …
/r/MensRights14/06/16 04:43 PM
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I am not denying that both are wrong, I am denying that islam has any more of a violence problem than western democracy does. The civilian casualties in your graph are drastically understated by counting any man over the age of 18 that was killed as an enemy combatant. And I also dispute that terrorists are driven to kill by belief in islam. That the excuse, not the reason.
/r/MensRights14/06/16 03:37 PM
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No, I'm disputing that Islam "has a violence problem" anymore than western democracy has one.
/r/MensRights14/06/16 03:11 PM
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In the exchange of murder and chaos between the U.S. and pakistan, which country do you suppose has killed more of the other's innocent civilians? How about in Iraq and the U.S? Don't forget to count the santions Do you know that when we carry out drone strikes in Afghanistan, we count any afghan male 18 or older as an enemy combatant, regardless of whether we have any evidence that they were anything other than peaceful civilians who happened to be nearby when we struck? I think there are a lot…
/r/MensRights14/06/16 01:05 PM
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You have people openly saying what a great thing Orlando shooting was, yet people still defend them. Defend whom?
/r/MensRights14/06/16 02:50 AM
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Guess again, its unheard of. Sure is easy to make stuff up though, isn't it?
/r/MensRights14/06/16 02:23 AM
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How many people have been executed in Jordan or Egypt for apostasy?
/r/MensRights14/06/16 01:50 AM
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If the average reader here only had this story to go on, that would be a fair point to make. But this story is just one piece of a very large pattern of the erosion of due process of men accused of sexual assault. For example, the 2011 dear colleague letter (written by the head of the office of civil rights at the time) is a threat to cut funding to universities for violating title ix if they don't use the preponderance of the evidence standard and allow accusers to appeal (thus double jeapordy)…
/r/MensRights14/06/16 12:52 AM
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I would really like to know what the technical grounds were for dismissing the case. As long as judges keep finding technical grounds and only offer harsh words, I think universities can safely ignore them.
/r/MensRights14/06/16 12:40 AM
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That's exactly what MRA's need to do to counter SJWs. When MRAs have fielded an army of commentators to repeat counter examples like that, argument by repetition will have to give way to detailed analysis. But it won't give way before. Which is why the objection that MRAs should not use the same tactics that feminists use is wrong. I remember when, after Adria Richards was fired, lots of female software developers started talking about how people like Adria are making it harder for men and women…
/r/MensRights13/06/16 05:54 PM
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It never ceases to amaze me how much of the public debate consists of people waiting for a very non-typical event to occur so they can reference it as if it were typical. That wait for such an event, then stand up, point, and exclaim "Ah ha!" Nimbus received lots of replies like yours but did not have any interest in continuing the conversation, preferring to let their large upvote total do the talking for them. As I write this, your upvotes stand at 34 while theirs stand at 29, so they are losi…
/r/MensRights13/06/16 05:51 PM
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The Stanford case is not typical.
/r/MensRights11/06/16 08:14 PM
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Violent crime of all types has been in decline since 1994 and is curgently at historic lows. Including rape. So you cant claim that whatever he was a product of is some rising tide that we all have to take arms against. The inability of MSM journalists to do basic research on crime stats, however, is another story.
/r/MensRights10/06/16 01:16 AM
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I agree. Its fine if people want to gather data on a continum of sexual pressure but conflating items that fall short of force (but have a high rate) with ones the constitute force (and have a much lower rate) is a naked lie. I did some googling on how often men face pressure that falls short and far of force. In this one, the article summarizing the study quotes these rates: Of 284 U.S. high school and college students who responded to a survey about unwanted sexual encounters, 18 percent repor…
/r/MensRights06/06/16 03:12 PM
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Wasn't there a study done that asked both collage men and women whether they would force someone to have sex with them if they knew they could get with it that showed similar results for both sexes?
/r/MensRights06/06/16 01:29 PM
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That they knowingly lied to the courts, could be a very very bad thing. You mean if the legal system had enough integrity to see justice done in a false accusation case? You can't be serious. If that were true, the rolling stone story would not have gotten nearly so far. The charlottesville police, when they started investigating, would have followed the evidence where it led and already figure out jackie was lying and have her up on charges. They were all too happy to make their investigation e…
/r/MensRights02/06/16 06:20 PM
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I don't think that women as a group are oppressing men as a group in the modern era, anymore than I think men as group oppressed women as a group throughout history. Men and women are both used by society to take power and resources away from competing societies. There has never been a better time and place to be alive as a man than now, in the west. The root problem men have is their disposability. In absolute terms the disposability of men is lower than it has ever been before. I think the suc…
/r/MensRights02/06/16 02:29 PM
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I think that's another admission that title ix ajudication typically presumes the man to be guilty, and therefore it seems wrong to the author that it should apply to female on male assault.
/r/MensRights02/06/16 11:10 AM
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His act is the only reason the MSM pay attention to him at all. It's a necessary carrier signal. Yes, it's absurd. But that's not his fault.
/r/MensRights28/05/16 12:28 AM
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and yet he consistently preaches hard work and strong moral character. I think you are making too much of his act, and too little of the substance of his arguments.
/r/MensRights27/05/16 09:32 PM
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It is interesting that someone could fear that undertaking to punish false rape allegations as if it mattered would result in an unacceptably high rate of innocent people being convicted of that, yet they don't fear that our present undertaking to punish rape itself as if it mattered has not already resulted in an unacceptably high rate of innocent people being convicted. Those same people then go on to say that the FBI has established that false rape allegations are 2-8%, when what they actuall…
/r/MensRights27/05/16 01:06 PM
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I think that the consequences of any particular false accusation could easily be worse than any particular rape, and vice versa. For example, if a false accusation leads to a conviction and the accused spends years behind bars. Where, incidentily, they might suffer rape themselves on an on-going basis. As another example, the falsely accused is widely presumed guilty and the shame of that leads them to commit suicide. but it is still a serious, physically destructive crime You seem to be arguing…
/r/MensRights26/05/16 07:41 PM
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I think if someone physically held you down and took money out of your wallet, or they cheated you out of an equivalent amount by offering to sell you something worth x, accepting payment, then failing to deliver, both actions are a form of theft. I wouldn't call that apples and oranges. I would call it red apples and green apples.
/r/MensRights22/05/16 04:02 PM
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Now now, in the aftermath of the trauma of a rape, victims sometimes behave seemingly irrationaly, by continuing to pursue their attackers romantically. This is cleary just anot her variation of that pattern.
/r/MensRights20/05/16 10:55 AM
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I agree. She seems to be fully aware of the erosion of due process for men accused of rape, and publicly said so, recounted how a man she knows is being accused and the evidence seems to be fabricated, and taken heat from feminists for doing so. She is outstanding from a men's issues perspective.
/r/MensRights18/05/16 03:55 PM
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If you want to substantiate: The actual rapes/attitude seem to be worse though, you are going to need to work harder than: It's been a while since it happened so I can't remember what sources I got the information from, only that they seemed credible at the time.
/r/MensRights18/05/16 02:44 PM
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That was a fantastic response video. She was taken out of context. She goes into some depth about false rape accusations and how a man she knows was accused of rape and the evidence against him seems to her to be fabricated or exaggerated, but the mob mentality is already calling for him to be found guilty. She also talks about how most of the shaming of female sexuality comes from other women. I think the honeybagers should reach out to her and do an interview.
/r/MensRights18/05/16 11:06 AM
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Or something? The extreme brutality of a single rape case says nothing about how prevalent rape is. And the fact that some people said she deserved it says nothing about how common those view are. Details matter, or something. Edit: read your link about the rape. The man who was blaming her for fighting back and for being out at night was one of her attackers, who has been sentenced to death. In summarizing that detail, you refer to the attacker as "some people", leaving the impression that thos…
/r/MensRights18/05/16 10:34 AM
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I think you are right and have a broader thesis along those lines. The MRM is starting to succeed not so much because men are complaining about their plight, but because women are starting to complain about the plight of men. It is simply too easy to dismiss a man complaining about his lot as a whiner. Neither men nor women will give such the time of day. When women complain about the plight of men, however, other women will sometimes listen. Other men will still not listen.
/r/MensRights17/05/16 03:55 PM
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Well played!
/r/MensRights17/05/16 03:53 PM
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I agree that the school officials behavior the the most disturbing here, but the girl's actions are also disturbing. If a boy had stalked and harassed a girl, we would see it as disturbing behavior and he wouldn't simply walk away from that without widely visible consequences. Even children need to understand when lines are crossed. What the girl in this case did was a lot worse that a stalking and harassing. It was proxy incrimination. She should not simply walk away from that as if it were an …
/r/MensRights17/05/16 02:25 PM
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Now sue them into the ground. You say that like the deck would not be stacked against the father and son, it would not require tremendous resources to pull off, and would not paint a target on their backs.
/r/MensRights17/05/16 02:19 PM
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I realized how relieved you must feel. I think the girl was reckless endangering your son, and the parents and the principle both have an obligation to see this through to serious sanctions against carly. They were about to expell your son and the principle had talked to you yesterday as if she knew your son was guilty. I think the girl, the principle, and her parents all need a serious lesson and should not be able to walk away from this and go back to their normal routines. That said, I am not…
/r/MensRights16/05/16 03:43 PM
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Why would you post pictures of your sick child? Because a picture is sometimes worth a thousand words. Pictures have a way of communicating the emotional impact of touching moment, like a parent comforting a sick child. I don't see anything wrong with wanting to share a moment like that widely. I am at a loss to understand why people have a problem with this, beyond the fact that male nudity is considered disgusting and people are looking for ways to justify keeping it so.
/r/MensRights16/05/16 02:07 PM
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That was an amazing set of links you marshaled of feminists disrupting men's rights tslks. Having lots of specifics like that is essential (when no one is going to give you the benefit of the doubt, as with the mrm), but also takes a lot of effort to maintain. r/mr is a great place to gather, discuss, and master specifics.
/r/MensRights15/05/16 11:22 AM
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I don't think that women were treated as property, bit i do think they were treated like children. As for voting rights and high office, the average man was no better off than the average woman. It was only the men at the top of the social pyramid who had those advantages. The standard feminist view of history is to compare the plight of the average woman with the plight of the top 1% of men (the apex fallacy). So yes, I disagree.
/r/MensRights15/05/16 09:55 AM
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You are conflating women and feminists. The idea that the bulk of men took advantage of (oppressed) the bulk of women for the bulk of history is not a radical feminist view, its a mainstream feminist view. What tactics do you think i am using that are dishonest or unfair?
/r/MensRights15/05/16 02:40 AM
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I am less interested in what fraction of feminists are anti-male, and more interested in how the anti-male ones with considerable institutional power have used that power to disenfranchise men and boys (VAWA, the dear colleague letter, the campus rape hysteria, getting alimony reform vetoed, erasing female-on-male rape from the NISVS studies ...). There are enough of them with access to such power to have pulled all of those off.
/r/MensRights14/05/16 10:48 PM
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Feminists say they believe that, but also assert that men are morally inferior to women (aka patriarchy theory), which contradicts the idea that they should be treated equally. And they wield considerable institutional power (VAWA, the dear colleague letter, the campus rape hysteria, getting alimony reform vetoed, erasing female-on-male rape from the NISVS studies ...) to disenfranchise men and boys. Were you really not aware of any of this?
/r/MensRights14/05/16 10:40 PM
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Very well laid out. That piece was a great mix of relatable scenarios of when and how most men sacrifice for women in their daily lives, theory about how gender roles encourage that sacrifice and why, and musings about how rare it is for men as a group to be recognized for their sacrifices. She must have thought about these issues in depth for a long time to write a piece like that. I notice she quotes Roy Baumeister (the author of Is There Anything Good About Men, my favorite analysis of histor…
/r/MensRights12/05/16 12:42 PM
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Interesting. You and your colleague are both psychologists. You start talking about how men are mistreated, and about how uncomfortable you feel discussing that, and she replies why broach a subject that makes you uncomfortable. I would have thought that one of the more fundamental truths of psychology was that talking out problems in important, especially if its uncomfortable for you to do so. That maintaining a comfort level in the things you talk and think about is very self limiting behavior…
/r/MensRights12/05/16 10:27 AM
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Brilliant!
/r/MensRights11/05/16 12:15 PM
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Go to the comment of mine you replied to, and click the permalink link under it. That will show you all of the replies to my comment, including sirskeptic's. Under his reply is my reply. Or just follow this link
/r/MensRights11/05/16 12:09 PM
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See my reply to sirskeptic
/r/MensRights11/05/16 04:12 AM
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Here's how I could counter. That's an odd argument as to why the falsely accused are not deserving of sympathy. What's the difference between your comment, and saying "you know what sucks about about rape cases? the next time a man is falsely accused of rape and claims he is innocent, no one will believe him"
/r/MensRights11/05/16 02:50 AM
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I think your comment is right on target. Bear witness. Be aware of the gender slurs and point them out. Not by jumping on people with "How dare you!", but with an inquisitive, curious tone, as in "Hmmm. Was your comment really fair?" If someone wants to support any particular identity group, by calling out slurs, it takes practice and study. Because every society has ways of approving slurs against target groups and making them acceptable. For example, suppose the Brian Banks case, or some other…
/r/MensRights10/05/16 01:18 PM
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What you are observing is nothing new. Gender roles as we know them are driven by the reality of male disposability: a society or tribe can lose most of its men and still recover numerically in a single generation. A society that loses a significant fraction of its female population can not. That was the reality of life for the bulk of human history. It has been changing recently, opening up the possibility for men and women to share risk more equally, but we still have a long way to go. If you …
/r/MensRights10/05/16 12:59 PM
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Society: get rid of no-fault divorce as a show of good faith and we'll talk.
/r/MensRights09/05/16 08:11 PM
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I remember that Karen Straughn was invited to give a talk at a university years ago, which was sponsored by a fraternity. The idea was that fraternity members were at risk of having their due process denied when accused of sexual assault. She, and the person who invited her, were trying to raise awareness of fraternity member's, and male student's generally, vulnerability. Not a single student showed up to hear Karen speak. This strikes me as simply another demonstration of how caught up men are…
/r/MensRights09/05/16 07:11 PM
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My wife and I are a team, in the sense that Karen's parents were. So while I have never been the direct target of the article Karen is responding to, its not hard for me to see the arguments of the article reflected in the social commentary around me. And as a response to those arguments, this piece by Karen was glorious. Well done, Karen.
/r/MensRights09/05/16 03:38 PM
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The vast majority of the working beliefs we have about the real world come from our own personal observations, and the personal observations of the people close to us. Those observations are evidence, but they are not scientific evidence. Nevertheless, the average person manages to navigate the world usefully, and would have no problem dismissing a claim such as yours, or one equally as absurd. Without a scientist in sight. The OP was not claiming to be presenting the results of a carefully desi…
/r/MensRights05/05/16 09:18 PM
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If they had said feel free to cite this as scientific evidence Then you'd have a point.
/r/MensRights05/05/16 08:15 PM
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This isn't very directly related to your story, but its been on my mind lately and I am curious to hear your thoughts about how people who have been sexually assaulted might act after the attack. There have been some very odd claims being floated around by various advocates and I have not noticed any psychologists or therapists being interviewed to counter them or even to weigh in with actual expertise and experience. For example, in the Jian Giomeschi trial, one of his accusers, after the incid…
/r/MensRights05/05/16 08:10 PM
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Thanks for coming here to tell your story.
/r/MensRights05/05/16 07:48 PM
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Unfortunately, this isn't really evidence unless its vetted into a scientific system by rigorous and unbiased researchers. (Nearly impossible). No one was claiming it was. I am at a loss to understand why you would feel the need to make that statement.
/r/MensRights05/05/16 07:47 PM
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Identity groups have three types of actors in them: partisans, peacemakers, and rank-and-file. If partisans didn't exist, and there were only peacemakers and rank-and-file, then your strategy would make sense. When group A's partisans have an edge over group B's, however, then group A's rank-and-file stop listening to their peacemakers, and group A will just keep pressing its advantage until group B's partisans start winning engagements. When B's slurs against A start to stick, the balance of at…
/r/MensRights03/05/16 07:12 PM
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Not one person was able to say yes, women have issues, and we can do a lot to solve them, but let's talk about an issue men are facing That's exactly the approach Warren Ferrel took for 30 years. And it got him precisely nowhere. People are starting to pay attention to men's issues because the MRM has, for the first time in decades, offered resistance to feminist partisan thought. The anti-male slurs are being called out and countered. People only pay attention to Dr King when Malcolm makes them…
/r/MensRights03/05/16 07:02 PM
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If he took a more measured approach they would safely ignore him altogether, like then did Warren Ferrel for 30 years, while he was taking the patient scholar approach. Milo is harder for people to dismiss precisely because he is rude.
/r/MensRights03/05/16 06:59 PM
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I picked it up while listening to the Honey Badgers. Karen Straugn had discovered it while looking into the history of the legal rights and obligations between the sexes.
/r/MensRights03/05/16 05:50 PM
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That was a very well written piece that bore witness to the disposability of men. In many ways, defending the civil rights of men is a question raising the frequency, and quality, of similar acts of bearing witness. Its one thing to know X, its another to know that most other people also know X. That's why Rosa Park's refusing to move toward the back of the bus was such a catalyst for change. Its not like the average person had no idea of the routine humiliations visited upon african americans, …
/r/MensRights03/05/16 03:57 PM
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I'll bet if someone were to look in detail at the history of the upper classes over the last several hundred years, they would find a vast untold story about female violence against men. Are you familiar with the skimmington ride? It was a public humiliation of a man that the whole village participated in. From the article: the rationale for a skimmington varied, but one major theme was disapproval of a man for weakness in his relationship with his wife. A description of the custom in 1856 cites…
/r/MensRights03/05/16 03:46 PM
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Although I have started to see feminists, and the wider public, start to talk about female domestic violence against men, they talk as if it were some recent phenomenon. Hanna Rosin, for example, in her book "The End of Men", was discussing statistics about how much more violent women have become in the last 10 years or so. I'll bet the rise in those statistics are not reflecting any change in female behavior, but a rise in the willingness of the surrounding soceity to see the violence that's be…
/r/MensRights03/05/16 01:38 PM
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but I would find it safe to assume that when a male attacks a female, she is going to get the worse end of that exchange. If they both entered a boxing ring, I would agree with you. If you live with someone, however, you have to sleep sometime, and when you do, your attacker can stun you so badly in the first blow that you won't be able to defend yourself and you would be completely at their mercy. So I don't think the fact that the average man is bigger, faster, and stronger than the average wo…
/r/MensRights02/05/16 08:59 PM
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Is it that they (men going their own way) don't want to marry OR that they don't want to marry a woman who is 100% dependant on him? I think the idea is that the legitimate interests of men in marriage and children are not protected. To give just one example, if a man were married, and worked very hard to build a successful career, his wife could divorce him at that point without having to show fault on his part, and separate him from his children, his house, from a loving relationship with her.…
/r/MensRights02/05/16 05:08 PM
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I don't think you have a very serious interest in the rights of men or women, or an astonishing claim like 1 in 5 female collage students will be sexually assaulted by the time they graduate would be something you had a strong opinion on. That's fine, btw, I think most people don't have a strong interest in either. They view claims like that as the background noise of a comples power struggle and they try to ignore it as they have lives to get on with. Continuing with the idea that you do have a…
/r/MensRights30/04/16 01:12 PM
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The Dear Colleague Letter was sent in 2011 by the office of civil rights to the heads of universities, advising them on how to handle sexual conduct grievances. Here is a brief description of it. In the MRM, the dear colleague letter is regarded as one of the more blatant attempts to demonize men and to weaken their civil rights, and it is brought up all the time as current events unfold regarding collage campuses and the regulation of sexual conduct (the uva rolling stone story, emma sulkowitz …
/r/MensRights29/04/16 10:17 PM
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Have you been following contraversy over the dear colleague letter from the office of civil rights? Do have any opinion on it?
/r/MensRights29/04/16 08:05 PM
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So you consider yourself a rarity among feminists, or common, in that you fight for men's rights?
/r/MensRights29/04/16 06:34 PM
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True, a stark demonstration of the compassion gap in action. I can't quite believe this is happening, that women are going to be required to register for the selective service I must be missing something. Being exempted is a big privilege for women to lose. The only sense I can make out of it is that this argument women will not be given the same respect as men until they are required to put their lives on the line in defense of their country seems very persuasive. Given the scale of double thin…
/r/MensRights29/04/16 03:35 PM
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Unless that state of mind was communicated somehow. Hmmm.
/r/MensRights29/04/16 02:07 AM
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Anyway, the whole issue revolves around her saying "no" and being penetrated anyway. She wasn't saying yes to unprotected sex. She explicitly rejected consenting to that, and he did it anyway according to her. She explicity rejected that, then did one of two things: Non verbally communicated that she changed her mind, through enthusiastic participation in intercourse Failed to do that. If you wanted to know which was true, you would have to ask her after the fact, and not dismiss her answer. To …
/r/MensRights29/04/16 02:01 AM
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She didnt consent to being penetrated without a condom. he did so anyway. That is rape. I think what you are missing is how common it is for people to communicate non-verbally when having sex. If after he refused to put a condom on after she asked him to, he then physically approached her, and she welcomed him and participated actively in intercourse, I claim that's equivalent to the conversation going like this: Him: you want to have sex without a condom? Her: no Him: I really don't want to do …
/r/MensRights28/04/16 09:44 PM
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She and him were in bed, and because she was not on birth control, she told him she did not want to have unprotected sex but he started to anyway. Boom. That's all. Him: you want to have sex without a condom? Her: no Him: sorry, I am not putting on a condom, here I come Her: (says nothing, but actively engages in intercourse with him, and later, when asked about it, does not feel she was raped) And you think that's rape? Really?
/r/MensRights27/04/16 09:49 PM
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Even if they didn't welcome it, the male emotional mechanism has a way of shutting down legitimate sexual harassment from women so that the men are not injured. /s
/r/MensRights27/04/16 04:48 PM
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That was, ahem, fabulous. The three of them were relaxed, having fun, and offered simple, battle hardened arguments and statistics. I think Milo's point that the wider public is starting to pay attention, and their lack of attention is what let the regressive left spin so far out of control, resonated. Mizzou was a powerful example of his thesis. The sjws didn't seem to realize how their actions at the talk were reinforcing the panelists arguments. If the regressive left doesn't change its tacti…
/r/MensRights27/04/16 03:21 PM
1

some FBI report saying 8% of rape allegations are "unfounded" (a stat both over and underinclusive) They were attempting to put a lower bound on false rape accusations by estimating the number of accusations that upon investigation were provably false, which they called "unfounded" (which sounds like it means there was not enough information to tell either way). I think any attempt to estimate a lower bound (or anything for that matter) on some rate X is going to not detect some cases of X (fals…
/r/MensRights26/04/16 01:05 PM
1

In Virginia, when you apply for a driver's license, they automatically register you with the selective service.
/r/MensRights25/04/16 08:33 PM
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You would not count the men who failed to enlist in the army during the Vietnam war, and who went to prison as a result (lots of men, but just to give you a name, since you asked, Mohammed ali), as enforcement of the obligation for men to submit to the draft to gain their full franchise as citizens, let alone their basic freedom of not being confined to a cell? It's true that no one has been indicted for failing to register since 1986, but until the law is repealed, and America quits threatening…
/r/MensRights25/04/16 11:43 AM
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I would say thats a fundamdntal violation of basic rights, to be treated as a second class citizen in culture and law in a sphere as central as family life. To be denied the right to equal treatment under the 14th ammendment.
/r/MensRights25/04/16 01:18 AM
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Failure to register for the selective service is a felony, punishable with a fine of up to $250000 and 5 years in prison. In many states, a felony conviction strips you of your right to vote. To say nothing of how your basic freedom, let alone citizenship franchise, would be absent during a 5 year prison term.
/r/MensRights25/04/16 01:16 AM
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I think firsthand experience is very useful, but its no substitute for an argument that proceeds from general, or independently verifiable, information. Firsthand experience can lead you to look for clues that others would miss. But unless that then leads you to arguments that stand on their own, then it can easily feed into self-limiting wishful thinking. Towards believing things because "you have to".
/r/MensRights22/04/16 05:55 PM
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Being forced to be independent can be a pretty powerful pressure to develop your own coping skills. Its a double edged sword. Yes, being forced to be independent can lead to you developing effective coping skills for men who succeed in life. But it can also lead to you not seeking help when you need it most, and a factor of four in the suicide rate is an enormous difference between the sexes. Its not merely "a point".
/r/MensRights22/04/16 02:18 PM
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This can go one of two ways. A social pact can be reached to continue the denial of due process to male students, which would have to encompass the judges now refusing to dismiss the complaints, to shut down the uprising and prevent costs from escalating further on the legal front. If that happens, I think tuition will continue to increase for other reasons. Or the uprising gathers momentum and the nature of title ix enforcement changes radically. I suspect it that happens, it would destroy the …
/r/MensRights22/04/16 12:52 PM
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so that rape probably is a bit less traumatic for them. Men being raised to be stoic doesn't mean that trauma has any less effect on them, it means it has less obvious effect. Men dont wear their emotions on their sleeves, but then kill themselves at 4 times the rate women do. edit: to whomever gilded my comment. thanks!
/r/MensRights22/04/16 11:29 AM
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Identity group conflict is, as you point out, eternal. But something has changed, which is shifting the old alliances. Men, for the first time, are forming a new identity group, not as police, or workers, or professionals on some particular stripe, but as men. And r/mr has played a role in training its partisan army. Thats why adria richardson lost her job, and melissa click lost hers and why collages are bring sued for denying male students due process.
/r/MensRights18/04/16 12:52 AM
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We were arguing about whether men were advantaged over women for the bulk of history. You brought up the struggle for suffrage. I have not made any claims about who is or is not a feminist. My claims are have all been about how men and women have lived for the bulk of history. Edit. Ok i see where i talked about the suffragetts in britian as being the feminists of old. However, you claimed that men were advantaged over women in the past and pointed me to the suffrage movement as evidence, so i t…
/r/MensRights08/04/16 03:41 AM
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Are you familiar with women's suffrage in America Are you familiar with women's suffrage in Britian, or are you ignoring that because it doesn't fit the narrative of the feminists of old being egalitarians? As regards women's suffrage in America, how long of a period do you think there was between universal male suffrage and universal female suffrage in the U.S.? Men were advantaged, Men had more right to act, and less right to protection from harm, while women had less right to act, and greater…
/r/MensRights07/04/16 08:56 PM
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At one time, when feminism was needed, there was an adherence to the definition because it meant something. So you think that if we go far back enough in time, men would have been advantaged, on average, relative to women. Is that your claim?
/r/MensRights07/04/16 05:58 PM
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I dont see those figures in the linked article.
/r/MensRights01/04/16 07:11 AM
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Those are the numbers I heard this morning on the news. I suspect those are the net numbers for the u.s. mens team, and don't say much about the gross revenues for the mens world cup vs the womens. I suspect if we had those numbers, it would be something like a billion vs 100 million. I want to know the total viewership of men's vs women's soccer for the world cup.
/r/MensRights31/03/16 07:27 PM
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When someone does make a false accusation it makes it way harder to treat a true one properly How do you figure? Are you imagining that, if people never lied, but they still raped, that would mean we could just take allegations at face value? Whether false allegations are 5% or 50%, we have to view all claims skeptically and follow the evidence where it leads. Which means most rapes will remain unproven due to lack of independently verifiable evidence.
/r/MensRights30/03/16 12:09 PM
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What would a reasonable challenge to the equal presumption look like? Your honor, I want sole custody because my spouse is unfit. If the parent arguing that has evidence, then they could present to the judge. If not, then they should have to live with equal time.
/r/MensRights29/03/16 01:42 PM
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Just did a quick google search on The Red Pill to see what articles have been written about her and came across this one, which had the following in it: I’ve gotten a lot of emails from people high up in the film industry who not only support it, but even wanted to make it, but they felt it would be career suicide. Ive been a fan of hers for some time now, but not run across that quote of hers. That is very encouraging. Ive often thought that hollywood could have a huge impact in breaking the ta…
/r/MensRights23/03/16 10:31 AM
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So it sounds like she titled the film the red pill, not chiefly because of how some MRAs describe their red pill moment, but because she experienced a red pill moment, where her operating theory of how the world worked profoundly changed. What she thought was up was later revealed to be down, and black revealed to be white. Given that, i think we should all roundly support the title she chose. The possible confusion with TRP is a small risk next to the powerful statement she would make by showca…
/r/MensRights23/03/16 10:19 AM
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Lord, Lord Lordy what has this world come to. We have no more compassion for a girl than we do for a boy? Oops, did I say that out loud?
/r/MensRights22/03/16 09:24 PM
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Ah, you are right. Jeez, that was poorly written. Here's the language of the statute: (1)A person (A) commits an offence if— (a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis, (b)B does not consent to the penetration, and (c)A does not reasonably believe that B consents. (2)Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents. (3)Sections 75 and 76 app…
/r/MensRights22/03/16 03:32 PM
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I would be really surprised if she reinforced the feminist narrative, after seeing how she was attacked by feminists and how she replied to them. I agree that getting your hopes up only to have them dashed is a risk. There are still a lot of things people could do to shut her down, but i think her selling us out is very unlikely.
/r/MensRights22/03/16 10:24 AM
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This petition would attach the word rape to a woman penetrating a man, but doesnt address a woman making a man penetrate her. Mary Koss would approve this petition whole heartedly, and give herself credit for including men in the definition of rape. Whoever wrote this is not thinking clearly.
/r/MensRights22/03/16 10:13 AM
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Here.
/r/MensRights21/03/16 07:47 PM
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They don't want to return to traditional ways, but they want men continue in traditional ways and they want men to return to traditional ways, much like the feminists. Thats the mainstream view of both men and women. They are terrified of the implications of extending compassion toward men and boys. I think most of the women are here because they think its time to extend compassion to men and boys. If they are motivated because of the men in their lives, that doesnt make them selfish. It makes t…
/r/MensRights17/03/16 11:40 AM
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The judge held that "sex-based" discrimination within the meaning of Title IX does not include someone discriminated against because they were accused of a crime. If the particular crime (sexual assault / rape) is one where men are overwhelmingly the targets of accusations, then I think a university aiding and abetting the harassment of people accused of that crime is gender discrimination against men. Yes, a woman could be accused of sexually harassing a man, just as someone could make an embar…
/r/MensRights16/03/16 03:21 PM
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Taken to its logical extreme, Nungesser's position would lead to the conclusion that those who commit, or are accused of committing, sexual assault are a protected class under Title IX. The statute does not permit that result." Obviously, people who commit crimes cant be a protected class, but if the judge had said: Taken to its logical extreme, Nungesser's position would lead to the conclusion that those who are accused of committing sexual assault are a protected class under Title IX. The stat…
/r/MensRights16/03/16 12:46 PM
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Can you tell the difference between these two claims? Most of those who are in power are men. Most of those who are men are in power.
/r/MensRights08/03/16 11:49 AM
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Imputing male attributes to a woman leads to a variety of insults. She has "mannish" looks. She is "bossy". The reason it works like that is because it is widely held that men and women have particular virtues. So when you call a boy a girl, you are implying that he is lacking in some male particular (e.g. he is physically weak, or frightens easily), and when you call a girl a boy, you are implying that she is lacking in some female particular (e.g. she has low emotional intelligence, or low emp…
/r/MensRights07/03/16 11:12 PM
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A veiled accusation that Guy is abusive toward their children. If she had any doubts on that score, she would drop everything and not stop talking about how her kids were in danger. But since she has no doubts, she is just tossing accusations at Guy in the media to trash his image. Jesus. I can't wait to see what their kids say about her once they are adults and don't have to negotiate with her about where they live.
/r/MensRights07/03/16 10:58 PM
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Getting closer, but it even worse than that. Sami Schalk, an assistant professor in the university’s English department, who has devoted class time since the bus episode to talking through the implications with her students, said she was concerned that the women’s detractors had failed to consider the prejudice and “racialized language” the young women may have encountered on campus or before the bus ride that could have played a role in provoking the fight. Given the above, I would refine your …
/r/MensRights02/03/16 11:00 PM
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Very well done. Thanks!
/r/MensRights01/03/16 02:32 PM
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Fantastic news. Thanks for posting that.
/r/MensRights26/02/16 11:02 PM
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In fact, it's more likely than not that she was. How do you figure?
/r/MensRights23/02/16 06:02 PM
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The MRM has made tremendous gains in the past 3 years. The main evidence is to be found in the comment sections on MSM articles on gender issues. It used to be dominated by feminist partisans. Now, MRM partisans are there in force, and average people are starting to repeat the MRM talking points in comment sections. My favorite example of that was donglegate. If you look at the MSM articles covering it, you will see women from outside the MRM came to the comment sections in droves to defend men …
/r/MensRights22/02/16 09:15 PM
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She's not very bright, is she? Can't tell. I think she's just not used to being called on her bs. The deer in the headlights look on her face was priceless.
/r/MensRights11/02/16 10:04 PM
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That was glorious. He kept his eye on the ball, and patiently dismissed her excuses while making it look as easy as counting his fingers. Well done sir. That's exactly the sort of pushback against the routune slurring of men that needs to become second nature throughout the public discourse.
/r/MensRights11/02/16 06:26 PM
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If that's what child support was about, then it would not be calculated based on the incomes of the parents, but on the average cost of living in the area. It would not be about maintaining a previous standard of living, but maintaining an adequate one.
/r/MensRights11/02/16 12:49 PM
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Firstly, a glass of wine in the third trimester poses almost no risk to the fetus, so would that be on the list? I already answered your detailed list objection when I wrote: I am not suggesting a law be written listing exactly what behaviors do and do not constitute "risking serious harm". I think a jury of peers should have the ultimate say. As with most categories of harm (assault, harassment, ...), the reasonable person standard applies and its up to a jury of your peers to ask themselves wh…
/r/MensRights11/02/16 12:25 AM
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What would be next, she gets thrown in jail for not taking prenatal vitamins? I think that a father should be able to object when a women pregnant by him is risking serious harm to the fetus and either force her to stop risk, or get an abortion before its too late, so that an innocent child can be protected from grevious harm. Children don't ask to be born, so if you are going to force that choice on them, you have to take reasonable precautions to protect their rights. I don't think failing to …
/r/MensRights10/02/16 05:55 PM
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In Roe V Wade, the woman's right to privacy is protected up to the first trimester, at which point the interest of the state can be asserted. Not every state makes it illegal, but some do. The point is, past the first trimester, there is no right to abortion.
/r/MensRights10/02/16 05:49 PM
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You realize that it is prefectly legal to deny a woman an abortion after the first trimester, right?
/r/MensRights10/02/16 05:10 PM
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She should not legally be able to put the child up for adoption without the consent of the father, anymore than the father should be able to put a child up for adoption without the mother's consent.
/r/MensRights10/02/16 05:09 PM
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By taking her into custody. She is about to risk causing a lifetime of mental and physical retardation and suffering for a helpless baby. You don't think that's warranted?
/r/MensRights10/02/16 04:37 PM
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So first of all, this would have to be an official, notarized contract and not a "promise" to hold up in the court of law. I am only asking that there be some sort of legal mechanism available. I agree such a promise could not simply be claimed by a guy with no reasonable burden to establish that it actually had. Which means, what if when she promised she would keep it, she had a different job or different apartment or no pets, or maybe her support systems are broken (parents were alive and now …
/r/MensRights10/02/16 04:28 PM
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I want promises that men and women make to each other to be enforcable both ways. They are currently only enforcable in one direction: from men to women. A man ought to be able to ask, before consenting to sex with a woman, for her to promise that, if she becomes pregnant, she agrees to make a good faith effort to bring the pregnancy to term and raise the child with him. By good faith I mean she would not get an abortion without medical cause. As it stands, there is no reasonable promise a woman…
/r/MensRights10/02/16 01:43 PM
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I'm sure there's been at least one similar case in all of history where the sexes were reversed, but you can't tell me there is any incentive for a man to claim to have been raped or assaulted when he hasn't been Not because men are any less vicious or deceitful than women. Men are not morally superior to women. They are disposable, however, so their claims of having been victimized are viewed with greater suspicion.
/r/MensRights10/02/16 01:29 PM
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I can believe that people in an abusive relationship can fall into that trap, but that only means it's possible, not likely. If someone willingly has sex with someone after a previous encounter, it means that previous encounter was probably not a rape. Regardless of the existence of some bizarre counter examples.
/r/MensRights10/02/16 01:25 PM
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I am amazed at how many people think the purpose of the court system is to send messages and make examples, then go on to argue that just because a woman who claimed she had been raped was actively pursuing sex with the accused right after the claimed rape does not mean the rape didn't happen. So we have people who think that finding Ghormeshi guilty would make it easier for a woman who had been raped, but didn't have any evidence beyond her claim, to be believed. The are counting on people thin…
/r/MensRights09/02/16 05:07 PM
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I agree with your analysis. I never would have guessed you were hinting at that from your initial reply to me.
/r/MensRights09/02/16 04:41 AM
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I can't tell what you are asserting, and what you are claiming society asserts that you disagree with.
/r/MensRights08/02/16 11:52 PM
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It depends on what greater responsibility specifically you had in mind to justify with that argument. Or are you saying that, when it comes to pregnancy and child birth, a man bears all the responsbility and the woman bears none?
/r/MensRights08/02/16 11:09 PM
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I agree that 2x is very supportive of men's issues. It wasn't always and has been growing more so over the last 2 years. I don't think 2x sees itself as a feminist forum. Its a women's forum. Most women don't consider themselves feminists. So if you dont assign blame to an entire group from actions of a single individual, then neither will I :) Hmm. If there is one belief that unites the branches of feminism, its that men as a group took advantage of / oppressed women as a group for the bulk of …
/r/MensRights08/02/16 06:02 PM
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I take it you are unfamiliar with the National Intimiate Partner Sexual Violence Survey (NISVS) which classified "made to penetrate" as a separate category of violence from rape? This has the effect of making it look like women are raped much more often than men are. When you include the "made to penetrate" category as rape, then the numbers of men and women raped is the same (1.1% of those surveyed). Mary Koss, a very highly placed feminist academic, was responsible for this definition of rape.…
/r/MensRights08/02/16 05:39 PM
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Should a promise by a woman, prior to having sex, to not get an abortion without medical cause should a pregnancy result, be enforcable? If she could be held to such a promise, then I think men could have equal reproductive rights. If she cant, then men can't have equal reproductive rights and are relegated to second class citizens and parents. I don't think a woman should ever be forced to carry a pregnancy to term (I mean before the first trimester), but I do think they should have to honor pr…
/r/MensRights08/02/16 01:05 PM
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Women are too weak to survive jail? Is that the only reason you can think of to explain the sentencing gap?
/r/MensRights08/02/16 03:36 AM
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It's not easy to argue that at all, because of the widespread acceptance of special pleading for women. Your arguments will be met with: but that's different because women get pregnant and men dont. If it were easy to dismantle as you say, then why do men have no reproductive rights?
/r/MensRights07/02/16 08:38 PM
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Women cant be trained to operate and repair trucks? I'll grant you that operating a truck is a physical job that requires some strength, and there won't be as many average women as men who could handle it but there will be a lot more women who can handle that than infantry maneuvars. Women should be required to serve in the capacities they are fit for.
/r/MensRights07/02/16 07:59 PM
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But the conflict between societies for power and resources is no longer a numbers game. The societies on top are the ones that educate their children the best, not the ones that produce that largest number of children. The compassion gap is no longer functional. So the first society to reverse the decline of men and boys in education and give them compassion and support will gain an edge over the others. Thats not going to happen until we dismantle powerful symbols of the disposability of men, l…
/r/MensRights07/02/16 04:13 PM
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I can see how women are less likely to fit some infantry roles, due to lack of upper body strength, but a woman cant drive a supply truck through a war zone, risking being shot or blown up as well as a man can? I don't get why not.
/r/MensRights07/02/16 03:57 PM
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I think the root cause of men's issues is their disposability, which is enforced by men and women alike. And I think that is also true of this specific issue.
/r/MensRights03/02/16 08:10 PM
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A woman that loses a pregnancy, and is devestated by the loss, is widely sympathsized with, regardless of how the father felt, if his feelings are mentioned at all. When the father is devestated by the loss of a fetus, and the mother is not devestated, his position is never mentioned, let alone sympathsized with. He simply ceases to exist in any emotionally relevant sense.
/r/MensRights03/02/16 12:13 AM
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I'm going to predict that's not how it plays out.
/r/MensRights03/02/16 12:06 AM
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Just because they won't meet standards to be infantry soldiers doesn't mean they won't meet standards to be mechanics, or field medics, or truck drivers, or any number of other jobs that are almost as deadly as being a soldier.
/r/MensRights02/02/16 10:18 PM
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I would not have guessed that gender (women good men bad) feminists would want women to be subject to the draft. I know their official position is that the draft should be required of both sexes if its required of either, but i always thought that was insincere. We seem to be drifting toward requiring women to register and i dont see that momentum being derailed by anything. You will hear a few half hearted naysayers pipe up, and their objections are routinely dismissed. So its puzzling that we …
/r/MensRights02/02/16 08:58 PM
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A lie can travel half way around the world in the time it takes the truth to lace up its shoes.
/r/MensRights31/01/16 04:35 AM
2

You have training in social work and you dont understand why someone would have an aversion to intellectual rigor?
/r/MensRights27/01/16 11:39 AM
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Do they have solid plan for achieving their goal or are they simply interested in regenerative medicine and keeping their eyes on research that might lead to the tissue engineering to grow a natural foreskin? I am sure the field of tissue engineering will get there eventually. What part will foregen play? Are they just cheerleading or do they have significant expertise and a meaningful plan?
/r/MensRights27/01/16 11:29 AM
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That was a very interesting discussion. I thought he analyzed the media interest in high profile celebrity cases well. I hadn't considered that some of cosby accusers may be offered a book deal simply by generating enough media buzz. I thought the host was also a good interviewer. She was skeptical of the guests points but didn't try to shout him down or play any dirty tricks and conceded that his reasoning was plausible. That show, crime time, looks very interesring. I went to their website and…
/r/MensRights24/01/16 02:06 PM
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What makes the pile on theory less likely than that he raped some of them? You keep asserting that without giving a reason.
/r/MensRights24/01/16 12:56 PM
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You don't think it could be a pile on, where, once it looks like public is taking an interest, other people who have a score to settle, or just want to be in the spot light, start coming forward? That's the other explanation for 40 accusations and it fits as well as the theory that he raped some of them.
/r/MensRights24/01/16 01:04 AM
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What do you suppose would happen if we started to judge the liklihood of someone being guilty by how many accusations were made against them, instead of by the independently verifiable information that those accustions do, or do not, uncover? And what do you suppose it might mean when 40 plus accusations are levied, and no independently verifiable information emerges? It might mean that he is guilty and good at hiding it. Or it could mean something else. I dont get how you can dismiss that somet…
/r/MensRights23/01/16 08:35 PM
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Did the judge actually say that?
/r/MensRights23/01/16 01:14 PM
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Yes. Indeed expensive = huge loss.
/r/MensRights22/01/16 08:58 PM
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If he had gone to prison for 6 months, it would have been less disruptive to his life and material welfare than bring unable to work for 3 years.
/r/MensRights22/01/16 07:14 PM
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As for future meaningful change, I think there's a 70% chance that The Red Pill is going to make a big splash and lead to a much higher awareness of men's issues, and of the role of some of the bad actors like Mary Koss and Michael Kimmel. As for meaningful change already happening, witness over 100 lawsuits currently in progress for violation of due process against universities by male students the collapse of the rolling stone UVa story the faculty of Harvard Law writing a letter condemning th…
/r/MensRights21/01/16 05:06 PM
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So, based on your read, you would expect Cassie Jay's documentary "The Red Pill" to be a total failure and not get much positive attention. Correct?
/r/MensRights20/01/16 11:17 PM
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I think the republican party, at least the part of it that faces the MSM, is in total chaos at the moment. There is not a single principle to be found. I see a number of coherent political factions forming in the midst of that chaos. I got a huge kick out of rand paul's answer to the question "what's the biggest security threat to the U.S.". Every other candidate on the stage answered "the jihadists" and Rand Paul answered,"The national debt". Youtube is where people go when they want to underst…
/r/MensRights20/01/16 08:14 PM
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I expect the male suicide rate to peak soon and then decline, if the decline hasn't already happened. I see an awakening of society towards male vulnerability. The anti-male partisans of all stripes (feminist and trad-con) are rapidly losing control of the narrative.
/r/MensRights20/01/16 07:58 PM
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Speaking of documentaries, I have high hopes for Making a Murderer. I haven't seen it yet, but the filmmakers were on the daily show with Trevor Noah last night and it seems that they may be opening eyes to how broken our justice system is (especially the ease with which prosecutors can bury exculpatory evidence). I don't believe the film makers have a men's rights focus, but the prison system is one of the biggest social machines that chews men up and spits them out. You can't take a close look…
/r/MensRights20/01/16 03:41 PM
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I love your list. One huge event that will shake everything up is the coming collapse of the global financial system. The banks are bigger, and more leveraged that ever. Not only did we not learn anything from 2008, we've allowed the same conditions that led to it to get worse. Once that happens, the economy will be reset on a more rational basis where there will be a lot less room for government largess and professional feminism will take a huge hit. The university system will become less relev…
/r/MensRights20/01/16 11:40 AM
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In April when Cassandra recanted her story, prosecutors said they were unsure whether she lied in 2001 or is lying now. Cowlitz County Prosecutor Sue Baur said there was sufficient evidence for a jury to convict Thomas Kennedy at the time. "It's impossible for anyone to know what the truth is, isn't it?" Baur had said. "There is basically no way that a jury now would be able to convict [...] when she's recanting now. But, technically that doesn't mean that anybody has made a finding that she lie…
/r/MensRights19/01/16 11:31 PM
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As long as the falsely accused is still in prison, and the accuser maintains their silence, the crime is on-going. So the clock on the statute of limitations should keep ticking. Oh, wait, I forgot, its a just a man is prison. Fine, let the clock tick from when she first levied the accusation. Nothing to see here. Move along.
/r/MensRights19/01/16 11:28 PM
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brilliant
/r/MensRights19/01/16 11:23 PM
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Of the false conviction, prosecutor Sue Baur said: 'This is the kind of thing that shouldn't happen.' But she said that charging Kennedy might discourage victims from coming forward. She added that it was not an indictment of the system, but simply a case of a person withdrawing their story. Why does the court system have to rely on false accusers to eventually admit that they lied to avoid innocent men spending decades behind bars, if due process is being followed and investigators are followin…
/r/MensRights19/01/16 05:17 PM
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I think he is slowly thinking his way out of the tenants of patriarchy theory. It's a bit much to expect him to wake up all at once. You're right that he isn't thinking very clearly yet, but he is making steady progress. He is also daring thd feminists to attack him. Remember a few years ago when Adams wrote a piece on the MRM in which he talked about how men should expect to have to take care of women because they are too weak to look out for themselves? Feminists descended upon him and he with…
/r/MensRights19/01/16 12:37 PM
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How did no-more-religion assert that removing the foreskin is analagous to removing the clitoris?
/r/MensRights19/01/16 03:26 AM
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It really depends on what you wanted to get out of feminism that you are searching for in other movements. A sense of belonging to a group thats got your back? An identity movement that can wield institutional power on your behalf? Or a place to think hard about what makes society tick, that usually has institutional power wielded against it, which seems to be gaining traction, but which has a long march ahead of it?
/r/MensRights18/01/16 12:44 PM
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And you think that islam is the root cause of the evil you saw in Saudi arabia? You don't think other elements of that society might have been responsible?
/r/MensRights17/01/16 04:14 AM
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I sense that your anti Islamic leanings are derived from a threat narrative. I suspect you haven't really thought that narrative through. I would have thought that you of all people would hesitate to be caught by an unexamined threat narrative. I gather one of the flash points for you is the refugee crises in europe. Part of what I think you are missing is that the u.s. and it's allies have done a lot to fan the flames of civil war in the middle east generally and in Syria in particular. Which h…
/r/MensRights17/01/16 03:42 AM
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I'm an American man who married an iranian woman. I have gotten to know her family very well over the years and quite a few of her male relatives are sincere muslims and great people. I'm not getting how Allison can throw muslim men under the bus like she has. I bristle every time I see MRAs talk about how western women are not oppressed by the men around them but middle eastern women are oppressed by the men around them. If anything, the compassion gap in favor of women (male disposability) is …
/r/MensRights16/01/16 08:07 PM
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I'm having a hard time with you slamming Muslim men. Even if you were only slamming Saudi men, I would still have a hard time with it. What did you see in Saudi Arabia that made you despise the men there? Can you give me a rough sketch? I'm a fan of your analysis and commentary and this video is a big departure from what I thought you were about.
/r/MensRights16/01/16 07:51 PM
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That's my take also.
/r/MensRights16/01/16 07:47 PM
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What if male students pre-emptively but honestly complained about female partners to give them a chance at fairness? Not enough to get them in trouble, but to establish themselves as the complainant legally. I don't think you realize the depth of societal special pleading on women's behalf. If a man did that, all sorts of alarm bells would go off and he would find himself surrounded by hostility on all sides.
/r/MensRights15/01/16 12:58 AM
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Notice how this disingenuous, dangerous idealist says 'override discussions about women', rather than about 'victims'. Exactly. If she really believed that men suffered from abuse, sexual assault, and stereotypes, then why would it ever occur her to talk about the female victims of those things separately from male victims? Only talking about female victims is an implicit claim that men do not suffer from those things. So when someone like her is only talking about female victims I think the rep…
/r/MensRights14/01/16 11:24 PM
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Read the essay "is there anything good about men" by baumeister (google it). It's an amazing refutation of patriarchy theory.
/r/MensRights11/01/16 02:11 AM
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How much of a force to reckoned with is the thought that, if a woman was raped, her choice of clothing, or how flirtatious she was, ..., make it her fault or less of a big deal? I'm skeptical that a significant number of people think like this.
/r/MensRights08/01/16 11:40 AM
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We accuse feminists of victimising themselves. Fine. It's true, more often than not. So why should we victimize ourselves? As a way of showing how absurd their reasoning is. Reducio ad absurdum. Its a very powerful technique. While everyone was waiting for feminist partisans to stop playing the victim card, they continued to accumulate power and got VAWA passed, the Dear Colleague letter written, rape shield laws, passed, ... These things have to be actively opposed at their source: the long sta…
/r/MensRights06/01/16 04:14 PM
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Usually when there is a widely discussed false rape accusation / conviction, someone says: This is awful. The next time a women is raped and files a complaint, she will be less likely to be believed. That comment is usually somewhat upvoted. I've always felt that was an absurd thing to say, and disrespectful to the falsely accused / convicted man. It would be like, in the discussion of a case where a woman was raped, if someone said: This is awful. The next time a man is falsely accused of rapin…
/r/MensRights06/01/16 02:48 PM
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I think if enough men just refuse to get married, then maybe they'd have to change it once women start getting pissed at not being able to find a man to commit to. I think both men and women are realizing that the provider is getting a raw deal and refusing to get married for that reason. I think what will happen is that ambitious women will find a way to engage ambitious men to raise families first, since that the case where the legal system is least broken. After that, ambitious women and nurt…
/r/MensRights04/01/16 09:44 PM
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I think that, for marriage contracts, the legal system only works between very reasonable people. Which is like having a seat belt that works every time except in a crash. Its absurd. The problem isn't the behavior of women, its the behavior of the courts. It can be very hard to spot mental health issues and no one should have to stake everything on their spouse being honest, reasonable, and well adjusted for their whole life. Even very honest and reasonable people can go through dark periods wh…
/r/MensRights04/01/16 07:25 PM
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See my post here.
/r/MensRights04/01/16 07:21 PM
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Before no fault divorce existed, the marriage contract could have been said to protect the legitimate interests of both parties in nurturer/provider partnerships. After no fault divorce, I think the provider's interest in such pairings it no longer protected. In provider/provider partnerships, the marriage contract protects both parties as long as they are relatively reasonable people. If one of them is some combination of vicious and unstable, I think that party gains a significant advantage. I…
/r/MensRights04/01/16 07:07 PM
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After about 20 minutes of answering questions he finally asked her of she intended to ask his wife any questions and accused her of gender bias. She immediately started asking his wife questions. That's a brilliant question to ask. Seems obvious in retrospect but I doubt it would have occurred to me that pointing out that they were only asking one side questions is a clear demonstration of bias.
/r/MensRights04/01/16 06:52 PM
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Sounds like you did a lot of work to document everything and the legal aid lawyer dropped you because they were not willing to do that amount of work. Well done sir.
/r/MensRights04/01/16 06:50 PM
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If you had a conscience as most people do, it would be very hard to convince yourself to rape someone. If you dont have a conscience (you were a sociopath), it would not be. So a sociopath that rapes someone is demonstrating that they are not bound by the rules that everyone else would not dream of violating. Do you see how that is a demostration of power?
/r/MensRights03/01/16 01:40 PM
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I dont follow the argument. Yes, the younger someone is, the more attractive they are, and the more sexual power they have. So by forcing the young to have sex with them, the rapist could very well be on a power trip. The thought would be something like,"A beautiful 20 year old woman commands great respect in carefully selecting whom she will have sex with. She has more offers than she knows she to do with, and says no routinely. All of soceity supports her in this. The most common call to arms …
/r/MensRights03/01/16 01:30 PM
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The evidence you speak of consists entirely of the allegations of his accusers. You must see the problem with allowing N accusations, with no independently verifiable evidence, to definitively establish guilt, no matter how large N is. The larger N gets, while producing no independently verifiable information, the more it looks like a pile on. If I were you, I wouldn't talk about how large N is.
/r/MensRights03/01/16 03:36 AM
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She did a great job of making her side of the argument relatable and proceed from common sense. Cosby hired the right lawyer. She didn't come off as splitting hairs or mincing words in the slightest.
/r/MensRights02/01/16 11:51 AM
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Master the argument, and historical examples, of the essay Is there anything good about men Its a great read, BTW, and I predict you will really enjoy it. Its a great argument built around some startling historical examples that are well known, and hard to dance around. Like the birth of jazz in the aftermath of the civil war. Then start paraphrasing the argument from the essay to your friend. Give them the link, of course, but don't rely on them making a sincere effort at reading / understandin…
/r/MensRights31/12/15 04:09 PM
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Let's assume the claim is true that true cases of abuse are less likely to be believed as a result of false claims of abuse. If the claims can be substantiated with convincing evidence, then why would you need to take the accuser's word for anything? You interview the accuser, and their assertions become the starting point in an investigation which either leads to independently verifiable evidence, to no such evidence, or to evidence that the accuser lied and the accused is innocent. If the cour…
/r/MensRights31/12/15 03:34 PM
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Great list. I would add the funding of jessie jaye's documentary "The Red Pill", and the public discussions around it. That was a great demonstration of how much people care about extending compassion toward men and boys, and of getting the truth out, and pushing back against feminist partisan control of media.
/r/MensRights30/12/15 08:52 PM
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UniteWomen.org state director Jan Lella said, “This bill, like its predecessors, will economically devastate women in traditional marriages who are divorced.” If you think having to work to pay your own bills is devestating, try having to work to pay someone elses, madam.
/r/MensRights30/12/15 12:28 PM
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If he had been singing this song for some time, before the idea of extending compassion and empathy toward men and boys was starting to gain momentum, he could claim that he was principled and consistent. I'm willing to be that he has not done anything like that.
/r/MensRights30/12/15 12:20 PM
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That was a great reply. I recognized your name when i was reading the comments on the article.
/r/MensRights30/12/15 12:16 PM
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This gets everything the wrong way round. If some men are increasingly incapable of negotiating the adult world, their sense of purpose and self-reliance zapped, then promoting male-specific victimhood will only deepen the problem. What’s more, men’s disconnection from an increasingly feminised public sphere is the product not of a feminist march through the institutions, a concerted effort to replace masculine values with feminine values, but rather springs from an unravelling of universal valu…
/r/MensRights30/12/15 12:15 PM
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I didnt think that her apology was very self-reflective of how she got into the mess she was in, and how she allowed herself to be used as a symbol. I think she wants to be part of a strong identity group thats got her back, which is a natural/sane enough thing to want, but there is little awareness/remorse of her role in victimizing others when she was a femen symbol. If she is approached by another identity group that can offer belonging and support, like scientology, you dont think she would …
/r/MensRights30/12/15 11:48 AM
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What do you make of her avoiding any mention of how feminists vilify men? Isnt that one of their more prominent failings, especially on the radical fringe where femen operates?
/r/MensRights30/12/15 11:40 AM
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Judges do what's best for the child infallibly, or the phrase "what's best for the child" is a term of art used in courts to describe a large network of assertions about what sort of arguments will and will not be entertained in divorce and custody hearings? Assuming the latter, what you are really saying is that statements by children about what they want are not given any weight by that network of assertions.
/r/MensRights24/12/15 04:37 PM
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Was his job really 9 to 5 or did his work follow him home? I would imagine in a weak economy professional jobs like that would be a lot more pressure. How do you think your mother would have reacted had he broken the ice with you and not maintained an emotional distance? Would she have welcomed that or been horror struck?
/r/MensRights07/12/15 04:47 AM
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I think the question is a way of invoking the WAW effect. The proper way to respond is,"for revenge, to explain away an infidelity, or simply to enjoy exercising power over another person. The last reason, btw, is a common motivation that rapists have. In fact, if a woman had just raped a man and wanted to stop him reporting it, she could threaten to say that he had raped her (falsely accuse him). Whom do you think the police would believe?"
/r/MensRights06/12/15 08:22 PM
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I would not expect a highly educated civil engineer to come home and crash in front of the tv. Was he not involved in your schooling?
/r/MensRights06/12/15 05:10 AM
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I am having a hard time picturing a culture where most men come home from work, lie down, and watch TV until they go to bed. What did your dad do for a living?
/r/MensRights06/12/15 02:00 AM
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Egyptian men do nothing inside the house? In your experience, how much time do they spend at home and while there, what occupies their time?
/r/MensRights05/12/15 09:20 PM
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The less secure living conditions are, the more risk men are expected to shoulder of behalf of women. I'll bet men in Egypt are much more likely to be arrested unjustly and tortured than women are. Those are some serious issues you are covering with your "whatever". I am not so sure being a woman in Egypt is better than being a man.
/r/MensRights04/12/15 08:58 PM
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I just don't know who is lying and who isn't. Which is why believe rape victims is not a procedure you can meaningfully follow. I think "believe rape victims" is code for "believe rape accusers", which is exactly what hillary's questioner was calling her on.
/r/MensRights04/12/15 01:41 AM
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You are playing with words. If you agree that someone is a victim, then you already agree that they are not lying. Saying that victims should be believed is vacuous. And if you thought Hillary understood that, then why didn't she reply,"Juanita Brodderick was not a rape victim, she was a rape accuser"? I am pretty sure if she had, the audience would not have applauded.
/r/MensRights03/12/15 10:59 PM
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And she was applauded for that answer?!
/r/MensRights03/12/15 10:57 PM
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I suppose if you want to ignore history, you could argue that. When univeral male suffrage was achieved in the U.S., the reasoning of the court was that it would be unjust to draft men who couldn't vote. Women's suffrage was opposed by women who thought that the right to vote would require them to serve the country in times of war. As the debate over women's suffrage continued, and it became apparent that women were going to be given the right to vote without that obligation, the female resistan…
/r/MensRights03/12/15 10:53 PM
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We were in a piledriver, he was fucking me in the ass and I said something like, ‘Yeah fuck me like that you son of a bitch.’ His face twisted and he came down on my face two times—close-fisted,” says Rayne. “I was punched in the face while he was still in my ass and then he starts going crazy on my butt—extreme, brutally fucking it. He just starts shoving things in to the point where he ripped it and I bled everywhere. There was so much blood I couldn’t finish the scene.” He started "shoving th…
/r/MensRights03/12/15 06:47 PM
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Perhaps the most obvious demand for equality and special treatment is women's suffrage. Women got the vote without any of the civic duties that went along with it, most notably conscription.The suffragettes advocated for women receiving the vote, but some of them opposed giving the vote to blacks. At the same time there was a movement for universal suffrage, which advocated for all citizens to be able to vote. The suffragists wanted a universal voting franchise (to men and women high and low). T…
/r/MensRights02/12/15 05:59 PM
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I don't think you can really understand the friction between feminism and the MRM without understand why gender roles arose historically. There are 2 main theories Moral inferiority, physical superiority: men as a group decided to oppress women as a group, because they were physically stronger and lack the moral purity to resist such a temptation of enslaving their female kin. Division of Labor / Competition between Soceities: men took on most of the heavy work and risk so that women would be ke…
/r/MensRights02/12/15 04:18 PM
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I concur. Not mentioning our bombing and destruction of muslim lands as a big reason for the violence directed at the west is a shallow and self serving analysis. I still like his thinking here. It just has holes.
/r/MensRights27/11/15 02:39 AM
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A contigency plan in case what happens?
/r/MensRights27/11/15 02:35 AM
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2x has over 4 million readers. Even if every sub of r/mr was an active member of 2x it wouldn't explain the support.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 12:02 PM
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They released him after 16 years, then arrested him again because his green card expired during those 16 years, and he is still in custody? I can't even get my mind around the injustice of that.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 12:00 PM
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I'm not keeping close track but I don't think it matters whether a sub is female dominated or not. Men are just as quick to reinforce feminist narratives.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 11:54 AM
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I am frequently blown away by the sympathy and insight that 2x shows towards the MRM and our issues.
/r/MensRights25/11/15 11:42 AM
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I remember watching this on vimeo a few years ago. I had forgotten the name of it. Thanks so much for posting these links. I want to watch it again and show it to my friends and family.
/r/MensRights23/11/15 05:26 PM
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So what happened to the various experts he interviewed in Norway who were initially so dismissive of the research about gender differences? Are they still working as academics and held in high regard?
/r/MensRights23/11/15 05:12 PM
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KSL News tried Friday to get the mother's perspective on this story. However, because adoption cases are not public record, we were not able to hear from the attorney for the birth mother, the attorney for the adoptive parents, nor the adoption agency. I cant read double speak. Why cant a reporter interview the mother?
/r/MensRights22/11/15 11:35 PM
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While it may be true, it's certainly debatable. What's less debatable is that women would benefit from working hard at STEM. That would amount to asking some women to make the first move, however, and we can't have that.
/r/MensRights22/11/15 03:57 AM
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Headline: send as many women to prison as men so it will be equal Actual comment: send as many women to prison as men for the same crime so it will be equal The only way to confuse one with the other, and not have your audience call you on it, is if special pleading in favor of women is a strong force.
/r/MensRights22/11/15 03:51 AM
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That's a great write-up. There should be a section of the page where the tweets between the two (the ones Guthrie alleges are threatening) are displayed. I have been using this section of the page on Anita Sarkeesian as a barometer of the feminist control of wikipedia: One attacker created the computer game Beat Up Anita Sarkeesian, which prompted players to bloody a picture of Sarkeesian by clicking the mouse.[28][32] Toronto feminist Stephanie Guthrie received death and rape threats for critic…
/r/MensRights21/11/15 06:34 PM
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How did they find that picture of jlaw crying? What's the context on that?
/r/MensRights19/11/15 11:10 PM
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I see the user account was deleted. I think this was a false flag trying to get us to show sympathy toward an Islamic repression of women so that SRS, of AMR could then point to the thread and say,"looks like the misters are pining for the caliphate' I think posts like yours did a good job of calling bullshit on the whole thing.
/r/MensRights18/11/15 06:20 PM
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Have you ever heard of a woman being put in prison in Maldives for that, or is this a theoretical reading of your law and culture? I think that, across most societies in the world, men are considered much more disposable than women are. This expresses itself in different ways in different countries. In the U.S. and the U.K., family law is one of the most unbalanced areas in favor of women, which your post is a testement to. I would be surprised if the Maldives didn't have its own version of area…
/r/MensRights18/11/15 06:11 PM
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I don't know what country you are from, but suppose a woman has been beating up her husband there. How does the surrounding society react? Do the support the man, or blame him?
/r/MensRights18/11/15 04:52 PM
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Its depressing that men can be presumed guilty on no evidence as she details, but that's hardly news to us. What's news is that someone gave a talk and it seemed to resonate with a mostly female audience. This talk did nothing but put a smile on my face.
/r/MensRights17/11/15 04:30 PM
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Her talk was outstanding. She is a great speaker and clearly moved the audience. One thing was bothering me about it, though. She keeps talking about how the laws, meant to protect women, are being abused and therefore we need a law to punish that abuse. Those laws sometimes directly lower the standard of evidence required, or otherwise disarm men trying to defend themselves from an accusation. One example of these would be rape shield laws. You can't balance such a law designed to protect women…
/r/MensRights17/11/15 02:59 PM
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That's both good and bad. It also means that the talks going against the controlling narratives are more likely to get through, such as this one. This talk was outstanding, and would never have made it to the more tightly controlled Ted.
/r/MensRights17/11/15 02:54 PM
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Very cool article. I like the framing (how fascist control of media gave way to feminist and sjw control).
/r/MensRights16/11/15 07:43 PM
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What were some of the data they gave students to work with?
/r/MensRights15/11/15 05:14 PM
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That's not how I see the word used on the street. I see it used to assert that the bulk of men dominated (put their needs and interests above) the bulk of women for the bulk of history. To assert that men are morally inferior to women. I can't believe you don't see that also. The way you phrased your comment is curious. You speak of what academic feminists mean, as if the common usage of the term didn't matter. The common usage contributed to the Duluth model of domestic violence, the passage of…
/r/MensRights13/11/15 01:38 PM
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How often do feminists tell you that your videos got through to them? Is the rate of that increasing or descreasing? Were any of those confessions particularly insightful as to how the partisan feminist mind operates?
/r/MensRights12/11/15 04:52 AM
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You have such a gift for constructing arguments that engage on all fronts, proceed from and reasonate with common sense, and read between the lines of your opponents talking points to lay bare their dirty tricks and hidden agendas. I have made such mileage out of your boiling down of patriarchy theory into "the bulk of men advanced their own interests at the expense of the interests of the bulk of women for the bulk of history". Thats so clearly what feminists are getting at, and that descriptio…
/r/MensRights12/11/15 04:41 AM
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Brilliant!
/r/MensRights12/11/15 12:00 AM
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I do think a clear assault like that should result in some prison time. Whether we write her off after that comes down to how she reacts when this is brought up and made such a big deal she can't avoid it. If she owns it and comes clean, then I don't think she lose her career over it, or otherwise be nuked.
/r/MensRights11/11/15 04:46 PM
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What screwed him is he was talked into pleading guilty on the domestic violence charge. No, what screwed him was that, had he not plead guilty, he most likely would have gone to prison for 7 years. That's not a "trick". That's called force.
/r/MensRights11/11/15 12:32 AM
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How are we supposed to know what 'the patriarchy is not strictly oppressive to women' means if you won't give a clear definition of partiarchy? Here's mine: partiarchy is a social system in which the interests of men are generally supported at the expense of the interests of women. In particular, men are granted authority and respect that are denied women, which men can use to advance their own interests. Let's see what happens when we try to remove the word patriarchy from your sentence, using …
/r/MensRights10/11/15 01:11 PM
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Define capitalism succinctly in a comment on Reddit, on your downtime between support tickets. Pretty tough, right? Its hard to give a definition that would encompass all uses of the term (that would allow you to remove the term from every conceivable sentence in which it would occur and still have the sentence mean the same thing), but its not hard at all to give a definition that would cover most common uses of it. Here's what I just came up with: Capitalism is an economic system in which trad…
/r/MensRights09/11/15 05:28 PM
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So if I told you that masculinism is a school of thought on how gender roles oppress men and women, you wouldn't think that school of thought was going to assert that men's suffering is more important to fix than womens because after all, a word is not the totality of the subject is labels? Seriously?
/r/MensRights09/11/15 05:04 PM
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I don't think it does anyone any good to catalog and rank injuries due to patriarchal gender norms. I think that's precisely how the a number of anti-male partisan forces pulled off a number of major power grabs. For example, the passage of VAWA and the violation of due process on collage campuses to men accused of sexual assault. Perhaps naively, I believe most people don't want their fellow humans to have a shitty life. Most people don't want those things consciously, but most people are full …
/r/MensRights09/11/15 04:14 PM
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It's unfortunate when men are maligned simply for being a part of a machine they had no hand in building. That's why, as a feminist man, I seek to throw my body on the cogs of that machine when I have the chance. What would be an example of throwing your body on the cogs of the machine? When do chances to do that arise in your life?
/r/MensRights09/11/15 03:40 PM
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What violence did feminists face in the past?
/r/MensRights09/11/15 12:23 PM
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And she'll be told that patriarchy theory is complex and cant be simplified. If you really want to understand it you will need to get a PhD in it and even the phds will disagree with each other on the fundamentals of the definition. Just like physicists and string theory.
/r/MensRights09/11/15 12:21 PM
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Why call the movement "feminism" if not to rank women's suffering as more pressing to address than mens?
/r/MensRights09/11/15 12:15 PM
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I would also have called myself feminist 13 or so years ago before I saw a male relative of mine falsely accused of domestic violence and viciously separated from his daughter. She will be turning 18 soon and he can't wait to re-establish contact with her. His wife slapped herself in the face long enough to cause swelling and called the police then accused him of having attacked her. She was holding the bag of ice on the wrong side of her face (not the side with the swelling), which was in the p…
/r/MensRights06/11/15 03:30 PM
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In the linked article (by Jake New): In July, congressional Republicans introduced a bill designed to reverse that momentum by limiting how colleges could respond to cases of campus sexual assault. The phrase "introduced a bill" is linked to article 2 below: Congressional Republicans on Wednesday introduced legislation designed to strengthen the due process rights of students accused of sexual assault and to prevent campus investigations from taking place unless a victim also reports the allegat…
/r/MensRights05/11/15 09:18 PM
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I can't imagine why that would be true. Making up vicious lies is a common side effect of being drunk? Really?
/r/MensRights05/11/15 04:14 PM
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Because bad people exist and the police can't guarantee anyone's safety. If they could, then victims would be able to sue the police for not stopping an attack. The idea that perfect safety is achievable, and that adult citizens are not generally responsible for keeping themselves safe from criminals, while seductive, lays the groundwork for a police state. It's why after 911, we suddenly had the Patriot act. The police and the general public should be thought of as partners who each gave an act…
/r/MensRights05/11/15 04:07 PM
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I have a prediction. No charges will be brought for the false rape claim on the grounds that it "would be too hard to prove".
/r/MensRights05/11/15 12:21 PM
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If you don't mind sharing, I would like to know more about what you got out of futrelle's writings. Pick a typical article of his that you might have liked a few months ago and post a link. Roughly speaking, what did you like about it? What was he like at his best? I am guessing that you felt like the MRM was attacking feminism, or women, with manufactured/cherry-picked statistics and carefully constructed, but ultimately far-fetched, arguments. Not having time to do the research to debunk the w…
/r/MensRights04/11/15 11:39 PM
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You must be pretty hostile to the MRM if his treatment of Cassie was a revelation after a long period of taking his articles as well founded.
/r/MensRights04/11/15 09:30 PM
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I am curious. Have you been following Futrelle's commentary for a while or is he relatively new to you? If you've been following him for a while, have you not noticed that he argues in bad faith before?
/r/MensRights04/11/15 04:51 PM
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I will be floored if the management of kickstarter isnt approached in precisely that fashion. Whats the use of institutional power if you cant sidestep the unwashed masses with it?
/r/MensRights04/11/15 05:23 AM
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My prediction is that michael kimmel would have given her a fancy mess of nonsense, thinking her sympathetic, and that she will present lots of evidence and argument making his anti male venom plain. I know kimmel has claimed that no one has any reliable data on what happens in family court so mras shouldnt complain about that. Ill bet she has lots of interview of men, and their female relatives, shafted by the family courts that will show that kimmel is deliberately pretending to know know how …
/r/MensRights04/11/15 05:22 AM
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Losing control of a carefully crafted narrative that the MSM has been reflexively defending for quite a while now.
/r/MensRights04/11/15 05:01 AM
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That was my favorite part as well. I love her even tone while reading the statement and her icy stare at the camera. She knows her craft well. This just keeps getting better.
/r/MensRights04/11/15 04:59 AM
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That was an epic burn cassie laid down. Well crafted and delivered. A burn of a burn. A second degree burn.
/r/MensRights04/11/15 04:56 AM
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Its only a victory for free speech if thats why they didnt charge her. If they didnt charge her because of special pleading in favor of women, then its not a victory for free speech. Its a setback for free speech. Free speech only exists when everyone can have it, not just the favored. Under those circumstances, applying a restriction against the favored that they cant special plead their way out of forces the favored to use their weight to remove the general restriction. Symmetry arguments are …
/r/MensRights04/11/15 04:38 AM
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Do you really agree with the bulk of what I was saying, especially the part about the principle of free speech vs the principle of male/female threats, and how the reaction of the mainstream media reveals the relative standing of those two principles in the public's mind?
/r/MensRights03/11/15 11:46 PM
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probably even more ridiculous than this case. Probably? I gather you are not really acquainted with the details of this case. Allow me to sketch them. Elliott had a political disagreement with Stephanie Guthrie via Twitter. He didn't even remotely threaten her. She accused him of criminal harassment. He was duly arrested. His bail conditions were that he could not use a computer or smart phone while awaiting trial. He is a graphic artist by trade and as a result he has been unemployable and dest…
/r/MensRights03/11/15 10:20 PM
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First of all, doesn't England have hate speech laws? I don't think they should, mind you, but if they do then the obvious fact that she didn't plan to kill all men is beside the point. The existence of hate speech laws is partial evidence for 2 being false. As for why I think 1 is true, I need to establish some common ground between us. Are you familiar with the Gregory Elliott case?
/r/MensRights03/11/15 06:43 PM
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Whether we should rejoice that she was not charged depends on why she was not charged. There are at least two possible reasons why: gender bias because the authorities generally recognize the difference between swiftian sarcasm and significant threat. I think 1 is obviously true and 2 is obviously false. So how can we make 2 true? By applying the laws, such as they are, to everyone equally. As Abraham Lincoln said, if you want to get a law repealed, apply it consistently.
/r/MensRights03/11/15 05:23 PM
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You are probably right that Amanda Marcotte's listed as a cast member simply because she was interviewed. However, Amanda Marcotte, as host of RH Reality Check's podcast, also interviewed Cassie Jaye about the film. Cassie uploaded the interview on her youtube channel here. I haven't listened to the whole thing, but Amanda was a big fan of Cassie's work. Which makes her silence at this point hard to interpret as anything other than "uh oh, Cassie has decided to show sympathy to the MRM. Rather t…
/r/MensRights02/11/15 11:18 PM
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Her delivery is perfect. She knows she is being baited and handles it with no bullshit or deference to the inquisition, making their question look stupid. Well done Madam.
/r/MensRights30/10/15 10:20 PM
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I have been reading the thread on r/amr and many of them are saying that they should wait until they have seen the movie before judging her. They reference her earlier work and how fair she was. I would have expected that from r/amr. edit: I wouldn't have expected that from r/amr.
/r/MensRights28/10/15 08:30 PM
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looks like r/againstmensrights has picked up the story before I did.
/r/MensRights28/10/15 02:39 PM
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While she's not out of the woods yet, I suspect her documentary is going to be a smashing success. She had put everything into this, wiping out her personal savings, and has tasted the sort of backlash she can expect from the feminist establishment. If she were faint of heart, she never would have taken it this far. I can't imagine that, after this overwhelming show of support for her, she is going to be easily derailed. I suspect the feminists might try to approach the kickstarter to get them t…
/r/MensRights28/10/15 02:36 PM
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I have been googling cassie jaye to see when Jezebel or Feministing would break radio silence this morning "We Hunted the Mammoth" wrote an open letter to Cassie. I can't tell whether feministing or jezebel will follow suit. I am guessing they will post something within the day. Cassie's feminist bona fides were strong enough that the feminist partisans were hesitating to take her on directly. They were hoping that she could be quietly denied funding and the effort would fade away. Now they have…
/r/MensRights28/10/15 02:24 PM
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MRAS aren't activists, they just talk about stuff! Well done brothers and sisters. Milo, you absolutely rock!
/r/MensRights28/10/15 10:48 AM
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Women very much experience this "oppression" (cat-calling, slut-shaming, slight gender discrimination in the workplace, especially if that workplace is male-based, etc). Interesting assertion, that women are more likely to have a negative experience in a mostly male workplace. I wonder if the opposite isn't closer to the truth (that women are more likely to be treated fairly by their male colleagues than their female colleagues, especially the ones with power).
/r/MensRights23/10/15 02:32 PM
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Both the men's rights activists and feminists suffer from this problem--calling for equality but constantly shitting on the other side. I think your statement of the problem is misleading. The MRM and feminism, being identity groups, have partisans, peacemakers, and rank-and-file. A partisan is someone who slurs the other side, a peacemaker is someone who reaches out to the other side, and the rank-and-file are only dimly aware of the detailed arguments used by the peacemakers and partisans but …
/r/MensRights22/10/15 08:15 PM
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If its not that bad, then why does it have to be mandatory?
/r/MensRights22/10/15 07:57 PM
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Just because a certain set of behaviors are rooted in a long standing survival strategy doesn't mean soceity can't adapt to that strategy no longer bring relevant. The society that raises the most children to adulthood doesn't take power and resources away from its neighbors anymore. The one that best educates the children it does have is the one that gains power and resources. If the strategy of male disposability and female protection were still relevant, then it would be afghanistan and Pakis…
/r/MensRights21/10/15 11:15 AM
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One person raping 40+ people over a period of 40 years, and none of them going to the police when it would have made a difference, is much harder to believe than 40+ people, out of the thousands of women Cosby must have worked with during his career, coming forward to accuse him falsely over the last few years, once the media started to run with the idea that Cosby was probably guilty. Once he was presumed guilty, anyone with a score to settle with him could add their accusation to the set and, …
/r/MensRights20/10/15 04:55 PM
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That was a great article, as was the one linked inside it, giving more detail on Gloria Allred. Thanks for posting those.
/r/MensRights20/10/15 01:06 PM
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That was a great piece, thanks for posting it. Her story about how she had to keep trying to become an MP was a powerful illustration of how you have to keep trying to improve.
/r/MensRights20/10/15 09:39 AM
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A man passes out drunk at a party in one of the side bedrooms. A woman follows him in, pulls his pants off, waits for him to get an erection, when climbs on top and rides him until he ejaculates, all while he is passed out. It that is not rape, then nothing is. If she got pregnant as a result, and sued for child support, she would be awarded it, on the logic that,"why should the child suffer?" If you want an example of how society bends over backwards to accomodate and normalize rape, that has t…
/r/MensRights16/10/15 03:31 PM
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I think your response is best.
/r/MensRights16/10/15 03:30 PM
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So, what you are saying is, a man's body has a way of shutting down legitimate rapes?
/r/MensRights16/10/15 03:29 PM
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I think that's exactly what's going on here.
/r/MensRights16/10/15 02:04 PM
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I don't think their heart is in the right place. Gaslighting is a vicious thing to do.
/r/MensRights16/10/15 02:04 PM
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Seconded.
/r/MensRights15/10/15 11:31 AM
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Male work at home, for example yard work. Who cleans the gutter and mows the lawn?
/r/MensRights14/10/15 03:50 PM
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Hating the misuse of state power against helpless people living on the margins is not an arbitrary thing to hate. It speaks to the values we supposedly shed an ocean of blood to protect, yet turn on back on all too often.
/r/MensRights12/10/15 12:36 AM
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If she actually did that in the comments, then it is even harder to understand how she could write such a one sided article. The only explanation that occurs to me is that she wants to frame this as a womans problem, but doesnt want to acknowledge that that is what she is doing. So, she is quick to "correct" people who picked up on her bias.
/r/MensRights11/10/15 04:16 PM
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He was one of the prime movers behind vawa and it's exclusion of male victims.
/r/MensRights10/10/15 06:17 PM
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Are ghettos better or worse than they were 10 years ago?
/r/MensRights10/10/15 06:06 PM
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That was a great article. I would like to be able to say to people that like her campaign that its sexist since boys and girls are roughly in the same boat. 62 million girls and 61 million boys world wide are out of school during the years through high school. I am trying to anticipate possible counters, where someone would say that girls are clearly worse off, so this campaign is justified. I am guessing the next obvious stat to look at is literacy. Anyone know how males and females fare w.r.t …
/r/MensRights09/10/15 04:15 PM
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That was a great piece. Thanks for submitting it.
/r/MensRights08/10/15 10:57 PM
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So there are a lot of stats in that pdf correlating poverty, crime, drug abuse, ..., among children with fatherlessness. The main question, though, is which of those factors cause the others? The pdf is assuming that fatherlessness (and more generally, single-parent-ness) leads to poverty, drug abuse, ... But what if poverty leads to drug abuse, crime, ..., and fatherlessness? If the main change has been that fatherlessness among the poor has skyrocketed, but the other problems poverty causes ha…
/r/MensRights08/10/15 10:39 PM
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it is the opinion of the home secretary that it is the job of the police to fight crime and nothing more. But is that your opinion (that the police have no duty to notify the accused when they stop investigating)? And, if so, how can you sleep at night?
/r/MensRights08/10/15 10:27 PM
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The accusation was withdrawn and the police stopped investigating. You really don't see how the police have a duty to promptly notify the accused when they do so? Or to worry about the mental health of the accused in the aftermath of an investigation in which the charges were dropped? Seriously?
/r/MensRights08/10/15 07:36 PM
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They would see their tax revenues go up, wonder why, figure out that it men working more jobs and thus paying more taxes, then figure out how to encourage even more of that behavior.
/r/MensRights08/10/15 07:27 PM
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Can you quote me rates, or compose some sort of argument as to why you think thats true?
/r/MensRights08/10/15 02:12 AM
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I doubt that's true.
/r/MensRights07/10/15 10:10 PM
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I think the way this is going to shake out is: provider / provider partnerships, or single parent households, will raise children but nurturer / provider partnerships will continue to decline until they are naught but noise. The combination of no-fault divorce, and the pro-choice notion that a woman can not be held to any promises regarding a pregnancy (any such promise is regarded as alienating body rights and thus not honorable), and alimony and child support has made nurturer/provider partner…
/r/MensRights07/10/15 07:52 PM
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Yes, the courts haven't ruled on Nungesser's case yet. I thought we were arguing about how they should rule, not whether they have.
/r/MensRights07/10/15 02:28 PM
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The issue is called libel and calling it a messy issue does not dismiss the need to recognize and punish it.
/r/MensRights06/10/15 06:12 PM
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the university found against Sulkowitz And then allowed her to harrass the man she accused (her art project involving the mattress was accepted and she was given credit for it; if that's not endorsement, what is?) So there were considerable forces working in her favor, even though the hearing found against her.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 08:33 PM
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That's a great list you've put together. I am having a hard time imagining that it would do much for a partisan feminist. It would only be of use if your friend was willing to argue in good faith. If she views feminism as part of her identity, I would expect her to push back hard against assertions that men are victimized by society.
/r/MensRights05/10/15 02:37 PM
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If she says she was the victim, then why did she issue the apology: "I would like to apologize to my fans, teammates, coaches, marketing partners and the entire US Soccer and Seattle Reign FC communities for my involvement in a highly unfortunate incident this past weekend," Solo said in a post on her Facebook page Thursday.
/r/MensRights02/10/15 08:59 PM
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Gee. It's almost as if emma is not being welcomed to the conversation by other feminists. Well. Emma, allow me to extend to you a formal invitation ...
/r/MensRights30/09/15 04:36 PM
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I didnt see an awareness of the role partisanship plays in civil rights movements in your analysis. We have to complain loudly and often, and we have to attribute malice toward how society treats men, even if thats not the only, or even the primary, force at work. Malice is surely attributed toward men by society at large when justifying our second class status. Witness the collage rape hysteria. Front and center in our response to those narratives must be the thought,"how dare you ...".
/r/MensRights30/09/15 10:54 AM
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I think the essay "is there anything good about men" lays out a coherent theory of gynocentrism. It's the closest thing the mrm has to a founding document in my book.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 11:58 PM
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How did the feminists gather so much power? You talk about the various unfair slurs feminists have made against men, and then warn us about developing counter slurs because we don't want to "be just like them". What I think you are missing is the role of identity slurs and partisans in identity group politics. Recall that warren ferrel took the high road for 30 years and no one paid attention to him or other feminist peacemakers like karen decrow. The feminist partisans, lacking opposition from …
/r/MensRights29/09/15 11:46 PM
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Unless long term abusive relationships of the type described in that article were a high percentage of all relationships experienced by high school students, then it doesn't matter how likely such an abusive relationship was to make a victim praise their abuser, her fb msgs praising him are a trump card that shes making it up, absent other hard evidence that he assaulted her. Again, the only way the likelihood of praise for an abuser fails to make him look innocent is if you have already decided…
/r/MensRights29/09/15 11:31 PM
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Because you claimed the texts she wrote as have no value to the defense (don't make it less likely that she her accusation is true). The only way your "abused person to think the world of their abuser." could be invoked was if you assumed she had been abused by him (i.e. that he was guilty).
/r/MensRights29/09/15 05:25 PM
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Do I think he did it? No clue. Then why did you assume he was an abuser, so that the liklihood of an abused saying nice things about their abuser would be relevant?
/r/MensRights29/09/15 04:54 PM
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You wrote more than that. you wrote: her posting that [she loved him, after the alleged incident of rape] does nothing in favor of his case.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 04:04 PM
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lol, you're assuming that he's making an assumption. No. I am deducing it from the structure of their argument. You can't use the probability of X given Y being a large number ("in abusive relationships it is common for the abused to say nice things about their abusers") without assuming Y is true. Yet Y is the very thing we are trying to determine.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 03:12 PM
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You seem to be assuming that we know they were in an abusive relationship, when you talk about how common it is for someone in an abusive relationship to say nice things about they abusers. But whether he was abusing them is the central point we are trying to decide. So the liklihood statement is then: what does the fact that they said nice things about him after the alleged abuse say about the liklihood that they were abused by him? The only way you can argue that their posts don't tend to exon…
/r/MensRights29/09/15 02:55 PM
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did you miss this part of madlibsluver's post: her posting that does nothing in favor of his case.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 02:50 PM
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You stated that from a psychological perspective, her posting that does nothing in favor of his case. The argument you are made was it is possible that the accuser made positive statements about the accused, after having been raped. therefore the evidence has no value. I don't think the only evidence that has value in court is evidence that can only be consistent with innocence or guilt. For evidence to have value, it only has to change the liklihood of a theory of innocence or guilt. So while i…
/r/MensRights29/09/15 02:47 PM
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I am sure you also realize that accusers have made up false stories before just to get someone who was innocent in trouble. It's all part of the dynamic. So why don't you also think that the evidence he is being held on also has zero value?
/r/MensRights29/09/15 11:29 AM
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Can you recount the specifics of engagements you lost? If you cant, thats the first problem to solve. You have to have enough patience with their arguments to be able to calmly evaluate them and understand why they work. If they piss you off or otherwise push your buttons so much that you cant process what they are saying, then you'll never learn how to beat them. Keep engaging them in arguments and practice maintaining your calm.
/r/MensRights29/09/15 12:40 AM
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I think she it putting her finger to the wind to figure out which way its blowing. Feminists have been burned in the backlash against their twitter mob lynchings. She wants to see an organized response, and is inviting the flock to think out loud with her.
/r/MensRights28/09/15 09:30 PM
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If you want to get rid of the draft, then your first duty is to extend it to women. Then, and only then, will anyone take the proposal to end the draft seriously.
/r/MensRights28/09/15 09:27 PM
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I think that to vote as a man, you already have to register for the selective service. Women get their full franchise without having to. So women have the right to vote and men have to earn it. If you have to earn it, its not a right.
/r/MensRights28/09/15 09:26 PM
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It seems obvious that the large majority of women, at least, are not cut out for combat purely on a physical level. I suspect that more men are fit for combat than women are but a significant fraction of young women would also be fit for combat. So I think we need gender neutral standards for the given roles, and then force women to register for the selective service like men do. Not every role that puts you in harms way in the millitary has the same high standards, BTW. A women that can't quali…
/r/MensRights28/09/15 08:51 PM
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I didn't so much as hint that I wanted a criminal investigation of every single witness in every criminal trial. I said the police should follow the evidence where it leads, whether it leads towards guilt of the accused, guilt of the accuser, or nowhere. An honest accuser should have no more reason to fear the police than an honest accused, but a dishonest accuser should have as much reason to fear the police as a dishonest accused. Unless we are inviting the public to make a mockery out of swea…
/r/MensRights28/09/15 06:29 PM
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Wouldn't male disposability, having established the gender roles in the first place, encourage women to be more small group focused, and encourage men to be more large group focused? Did you take Baumeister to be arguing that women being more small group focused was some hard coded biological fact, or just an observed phenomenon that could be explained lots of different ways, including that women are simply socialized that way, with little to no biological basis for that? I agree that's a much w…
/r/MensRights28/09/15 06:24 PM
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Argumentation is not the study of valid reasoning. It's the study of fallacy and why it works. Fallacies inude some very powerful strategies. They take advantage of parts of our psychology that exist to allow groups to cohere so people can coperate in large numbers. To get good at argumentation you need to practice against determined opposition. And you need an arsenal of battle hardened arguments to use as ammunition. R/mr is a great training ground for that. Keep reading the analysis offered h…
/r/MensRights28/09/15 10:51 AM
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It's not a fringe theory if it motivates entire legal paradigms, like VAWA, rape and sexual assault laws, and title IX.
/r/MensRights27/09/15 12:06 PM
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It was glorious
/r/MensRights26/09/15 12:39 AM
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You have no thoughts on how to address the disparity? I have a prediction on how it will be resolved in the coming years in another reply to you.
/r/MensRights25/09/15 02:14 PM
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I like your reasoning here in pointing out that the providers interest in emotional support is neglected by the current divorce system, but what are you suggesting exactly? How could you enforce the continuation of emotional support post divorce?
/r/MensRights25/09/15 11:48 AM
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The child is accustomed to a certain lifestyle, and shouldn't be expected to live "rough" while with one parent, and "lavishly" with the other. I dont think children should have a right to maintain any particular standard of living. When parents decide they want to downsize so they are less stressed, and they move to a smaller house, no one would suggest the courts intervene, or that the children are suffering. Partly becsuse the support parents give their children is emotional as well as financ…
/r/MensRights25/09/15 11:46 AM
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Your summary hits most of my main points, especially the flaws in patriarchy theory. I dont see that often from feminists so i just wanted to say hey. I am curious if you have read "is there anything good about men" and what your points of disagreement with it are, since your critique of patriarchy theory overlaps quite a bit with it.
/r/MensRights25/09/15 11:29 AM
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Are you saying the police do that as a matter of some defensible principle, or because they are primairly motivated by clearing their caseload and dont give a shit about justice?
/r/MensRights25/09/15 03:43 AM
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You've half right. They should look for evidence that the accused did it, and for evidence that the accuser is mistaken or lying.
/r/MensRights24/09/15 09:53 PM
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I agree with your post, although I want to nitpick your phrasing a little. The police acted well. The public did not. From the article: The story was then widely reported in the media and in interviews she claimed a male security guard grabbed the child from her breast. Speaking at the time, Starmer, of Woodgate, Leicester, said the incident was “horrific”. No, on to my nitpicking: Then when you get into the prosecution stage you act as if the accused is innocent. You act as if, you don't believ…
/r/MensRights24/09/15 06:23 PM
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It's pretty unlikely that someone would run to a police officer, claiming that their car was stolen, if it weren't true because doing would quickly result in the lie being revealed as such. I didn't say initially assume an accusation was false. I said don't believe anyone initially. Don't take the accusation as true, and don't take the denial as true. Investigate and follow the evidence where it leads.
/r/MensRights24/09/15 03:55 PM
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So the only news worth reporting on is bad news? Why shouldn't we applaud the authorities when they respect due process and avoid prejudice? If all you do is complain when things don't go your way, you look unprincipled and crass.
/r/MensRights24/09/15 03:48 PM
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Because she was initially believed.
/r/MensRights24/09/15 03:45 PM
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Why is believing her initially the correct behavior? The correct behavior is to not believe anyone initially.
/r/MensRights24/09/15 03:42 PM
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I think the best thing to do, when facing a serious indoctrination, is to understand the central lies upon which that indoctrination is based. Once equipped, you can resist the onslaught of a careful constructed narrative, and the argument by repetition that would otherwise break you down over time. The central lie that feminist theory most relies on is the idea that, for most of history, men as a group took advantage of women as a group (patriarchy theory). If this were true, it would clearly i…
/r/MensRights24/09/15 01:32 PM
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Women don't have to prove their worth to society as much as men do to have their value recognized and funded. So men work a lot harder at establishing their value by competing to develop high paying skills. If that's a problem you actually want to solve, then society needs to stop valuing women for their ability to bear and nurture children, and start valuing them for their ability to do economically productive work. Women need to experience something like the disposability that men do. The idea…
/r/MensRights24/09/15 12:23 PM
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To understand why patriarchy theory is absurd you need to look at history without feminist glasses on, and ask how gender roles came to be. That's not easy to do because the feminist view of history has been uncritically accepted for a long time. A great, short, well argued essay that examines how gender roles arose and why is "is there anything good about men" by baumeister. He has some great examples that patriarchy theory can't possibly explain like the success of black male musicians after t…
/r/MensRights24/09/15 10:05 AM
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By dismiss, I take it you mean disagree without explaining myself in enough detail that my reasons could possibly by effectively analyzed?
/r/MensRights23/09/15 07:40 PM
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I would think that if my analysis were a reach, as you say, that would make it that much easier for you to offer some detailed criticism. I'm still waiting.
/r/MensRights23/09/15 04:27 PM
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I realize this poem seems dark, but I draw a lot of inspiration from it. I take it as a warning: as you go through life, realize that not everyone or everything that seems to care about you actually does. For example, most people who have not had to deal with the court system imagine that they have iron clad rights enshrined in the constitution that an ocean of blood was spilt to secure. The reality is very different. Don't be so quick to believe that the people and systems that are supposed to …
/r/MensRights23/09/15 04:18 PM
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Unless you learned how to ape the required narratives and keep your actual thoughts to yourself through your education.
/r/MensRights23/09/15 04:11 PM
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I thought this was hilarious. My favorite moment was when the feminist was searching for a way to describe his behavior as bad, telling him his points were inappropriate, and, each time she was searching for such a way, he would offer,"because its triggering?" The look she gave him when he said that was priceless. This is a masterpiece.
/r/MensRights23/09/15 03:17 PM
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How so?
/r/MensRights22/09/15 11:54 PM
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if your wife abused you, she suddenly became ill and died. No one asked any questions. I read this wrong the first time. I thought you had written if your wife abused you, you suddenly became ill and died. As in, she poisoned you. You seem to be saying that, if a woman ever dared to lift her hand against her husband, he would execute her at home and other people would look the other way. That could only be true if men were given total power over their wives to dominate them. If women had been lo…
/r/MensRights22/09/15 10:24 PM
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As long as you live in the same house with someone, I don't think it matters who is bigger/stronger than whom. For example, imagine a big strong guy and married to a small woman. He goes to bed one night and his wife waits until he is asleep then stuns him with a rolling pin so badly that he can't fight back. At that point, she can do as much damage as she wants, or inflict ac much pain as she wants, and he will be helpless. Yes, he could do the same thing to her the next day once he recovers, b…
/r/MensRights22/09/15 07:48 PM
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I would guess that's its always been that way, except that now society is starting to notice the abuse of men. Some things have to be believed to be seen.
/r/MensRights22/09/15 05:27 PM
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Weren't we talking about Pakistan? Are you saying you know that multiple wives are a common arrangement in Pakistan?
/r/MensRights22/09/15 04:30 AM
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I would think multiple wives would be pretty rare in a poor country like Pakistan. I know its rare in Iran (I've been there 8 times and I have yet to meet a single man with more than one wife), and Iran is a lot wealthier.
/r/MensRights22/09/15 01:55 AM
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I imagine, whether you are male or female, you have little choice in whom you get married to or when. I would think your choices would be pretty highly constrained. Did you honestly imagine something else? Do tell.
/r/MensRights22/09/15 12:36 AM
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You'd think the WP, after its excellent job calling bullshit on the Rolling Stone expose on UVa, would know better than to write a summary of this that downplayed the low response rate. Here's the first his I get in the full AAU report text for "response" An analysis of the possibility the estimates were affected by non-response bias found that certain types of estimates may be too high because non-victims may have been less likely to participate. This might have contributed to some of the diffe…
/r/MensRights21/09/15 09:26 PM
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I have little doubt they'd have been told the same about Afghan allies abusing girls but obviously that doesn't make it okay. Why would you think that? I am guessing that girls are not abused as routinely as boys. A girl that had been raped would have her marriage prospects ruined by that. A boy that had been raped would not. So a village would be a lot more outraged at the rape of their girls than their boys. Here is a well known of a woman who was raped in paklstan, and her quest for justice: …
/r/MensRights21/09/15 05:56 PM
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I can understand people getting drunk and having sex. I can't understand having sex with someone who passes out, unless there was a clear understanding between the two that they were both ok with that (you could imagine a married couple having such an understanding). In amy's story, there was no such understanding. I agree with your assessment that what amy did was rape. I appreciate your trying to make a stink about this, but I predict you are not going to be successful. No one is going to give…
/r/MensRights21/09/15 04:11 AM
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I am at a loss to understand her vicious description and treatment of the man in that story. I don't see why it's funny or what point she thinks she is making with it other than that she is an asshole. I generally appreciate her humor but she completely lost me in that story.
/r/MensRights21/09/15 04:05 AM
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What if the traditionalists, who want to take male disposability for granted and not have to accept female disposability, rigged the study so they don't have to take on the gynocentrism of the larger society? You don't think that is a likely theory for what's going on? You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to wonder if a study was rigged to support an agenda. I think it's the first question you should ask yourself when a study with political consequences is published.
/r/MensRights20/09/15 09:36 PM
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How did they choose the male and female marines for the test units? Did they have similar physical stats in terms of how much weight they could lift, how fast they could run, etc? If not, then I agree with you that the study was rigged to fail. They would just have been observing that men are, on average, stronger and faster that women, as if we didn't already know that. The question they should have asked was, can female units be readily trained to complete standard mission types effectively, o…
/r/MensRights20/09/15 09:29 PM
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Her central assertion is that, for the bulk of history and today as well, the average man occupies a more powerful and less vulnerable position that the average woman. If that were true, it would mean than men are morally inferior to women. That they did not stand up for the women around them, and that they conspired with other men against women. Then and now. In short, her argument boils down to female supremacy. That she can make such an argument and not catch unending hell for it (unlike what…
/r/MensRights17/09/15 08:08 PM
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I remember the video (I think it was about feminism and SJWs in gaming) that put her on the map. She has done some good ones since then, but nothing that measures up to that first video, until this one. She's raised the bar again, and that's saying something. Part of what makes it hard to argue in public is that the crucial assertions that need to be refuted are often buried in the subtext and hard to identify clearly. Because they are so hard to identify, they can be repeated for a long time wi…
/r/MensRights17/09/15 02:29 PM
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There is no way sex robots are going to appeal to any but the smallest minority of either sex. The only interesting/revealing aspect of this whole story is the reasoning of the people who are scared of this development. that is utterly fascinating, I will grant.
/r/MensRights17/09/15 02:28 AM
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I agree but put yourself in the position of the feminists that are scared of sex robots. They imagine that most women are like themselves. Neither most women, nor most feminists think the way they do. If women did think that way, however, sex robots would be a real threat to social order.
/r/MensRights17/09/15 02:25 AM
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Because patriarchy.
/r/MensRights16/09/15 10:46 PM
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I thought the article was very well written, showing lots of outrage at the lack of due process afforded the accused. Toward thd end though, the author notes, with sympathy, that the accuser had also criticised the university for how it handled the case. Her complaints are vague and seem to say that the university's process took too long, or was emotionally difficult for her to bear. From other discussions of this case, I know that the accusers mom read her diary and found out that her daughter …
/r/MensRights16/09/15 11:21 AM
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You can say that, but the effect the word fuckwit has on the average person is to cancel any sympathy toward the victim.
/r/MensRights15/09/15 10:53 PM
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There can be no honorable agreement whereby one person agrees to be physically hurt like that. He was most likely mentally ill and she used that to abuse him. I guess you could say you haven't thought about this in much depth!
/r/MensRights15/09/15 05:46 PM
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I don't think someone who was mentally healthy would agree to such barbarism. A much more likely explanation for this is that he was mentally ill and she talked him into tolerating abuse. This is not his fault. Its hers.
/r/MensRights15/09/15 05:44 PM
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In one way, the guy is a fuckwit to agreeing to it. People who are not mentally healthy can be talked into all "agreeing" to abuse in many ways. By calling him a fuckwit, you are suggesting that we should not extend sympathy toward him. Would you feel that someone who had been talked into suicide by their spouse was a fuckwit?
/r/MensRights15/09/15 05:41 PM
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I meant the rise of the mrm.
/r/MensRights15/09/15 12:18 AM
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Hate can mean many different things. A traditionalist may have more respect for men than a feminist would, but feminism as a movement has encouraged women to step into the workforce and as a result, women are bearing more of the financial burden than ever before. Traditionalists want to keep men disposable and would never sit still for shifting any of the burden of risk taking away from men and onto women. Even if feminist theory asserts that men are morally inferior to women, in practice they h…
/r/MensRights14/09/15 02:36 PM
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It should not have dragged out 3 years.
/r/MensRights14/09/15 03:43 AM
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No i mean there is no way it will be an easy case.
/r/MensRights13/09/15 06:34 PM
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What about this case makes it technical?
/r/MensRights13/09/15 06:33 PM
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Very funny. If.
/r/MensRights13/09/15 06:27 PM
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The judge has let it drag on for 3 years. That has already cost him his job and his life savings. Far more punishment than the original charges would have warranted had then been completely true and not a farce. It will continue to drag on until either elliott accpets a plea deal, vindicating the crown, or the press takes an active interest in the case. I dont think the press will take an interest. Eliott will be left in limbo until he folds. Either the judge is not on eliotts side, or he has no…
/r/MensRights13/09/15 06:24 PM
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Excellent connection. I think we need to extend his thought, however. "You criticise them, and then they cry, and then you give in" Thats the real problem here. Not the crown's lawyer behaving incompetently, then crying. Its the judge stopping the proceedings at that point. Thats precisely when the judge should have rolled up his sleeves and really let her have it. And demanded that the crown drop its conditions of bail that have kept elliott penniless. He should have said something like,"you in…
/r/MensRights13/09/15 05:25 PM
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Why cant the defense get his draconian bail conditions dropped so eliott can work for a living again? He only agreed to those conditions thinking that it would only last a month or two. Further delay only puts more pressure on elliott to fold in hopes of accepting a plea deal. Which rewards the crowns apparent incompetance in trying to change the charges a month befors the judges decision is due. If the judge does not deliver his decision on october 6, but allows more time for the changes in cha…
/r/MensRights13/09/15 01:32 PM
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“We’re not talking depriving them of life and liberty, we’re talking about their transfer to another university, for crying out loud,” Polis said, laughing, as audience members applauded his remarks. Congressman Polis, was that a reference to the the due process clauses of the 5th and 14th ammendments? Because if so, then you left something out. Those clauses state: [N]or shall any person . . . be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law Expelling a student in their thi…
/r/MensRights11/09/15 10:23 PM
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From the Reason article linked from COTWA: “If my son had a baseless accusation made against him at a university and it was making his life there miserable, I would suggest he transfer or take courses online,” wrote Polis. “It can be a living hell to go through endless campus investigations. I've seen this go down, and there really is no winning once the accusation is made even if the process provides formal vindication. Someone who is wrongfully accused needs to do their best to put it behind t…
/r/MensRights11/09/15 10:11 PM
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I suspect she is not thinking that far ahead because she is drunk on the potential power of her victimhood. She thinks this might be her shot at lasting fame, like Anita Hill. It worked out for Anita. She is a tenured professor of law and a feminist icon. Fame, adoration, sinecure. That's a real long shot though. I don't think Anita's sexual harrassment case was solid, but her allegations were a lot stronger than Charlotte Proudman's. Charlotte's got nothing to complain about and the partisan ar…
/r/MensRights10/09/15 09:12 PM
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She's shown herself to be a backstabbing, opportunistic snake. After the coming media honeymoon fades in a few weeks, she will be wondering why people are not interested in working with her and her legal career is gone. The justice will be pure poetry.
/r/MensRights10/09/15 05:56 PM
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Niceness is not wasted on women. Its wasted on on gender feminists.
/r/MensRights10/09/15 05:53 PM
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I predict that media will focus on her in the hopes of getting a men v women fight going, since starting fights in order to drive ratings is their MO. She will interpret this as the tide of public opinion turning in her favor because lots of highly motivated feminist partisans will rise up to defend her. However, the more she inflates what happened, the more the average person, and especially people that would hire and work with lawyers (both of those groups vastly outnumber the feminist partisa…
/r/MensRights10/09/15 02:54 PM
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I would think that, as a lawyer, people that were thinking of hiring you would be most concerned that you were trustworthy. In particular, that if a case or project you were working on with them were to get hairy, you would go to some lengths to see it through. Even if that meant long hours and some risk. If, as a lawyer, you were to turn on someone you just met by interpreting a gesture of good will on their part as an unpardonable slight, it would demonstrate that you were willing to throw oth…
/r/MensRights10/09/15 02:47 PM
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Perhaps the best thing for his son (and men and boys generally), in a world with fathers like the author, is to absorb the truth of the following poem: Reach into the thoughts of friends, And find they do not know your name. Squeeze the teddy bear too tight, And watch the feathers burst the seams. Touch the stained glass with your cheek, And feel its chill upon your blood. Hold a candle to the night, And see the darkness bend the flame. Tear the mask of peace from God, And hear the roar of souls…
/r/MensRights09/09/15 07:45 PM
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This isn't about favoring one child. Oh, It is not about the nail
/r/MensRights09/09/15 07:41 PM
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Using inquisitions to maintain the force of societal taboos about asking the wrong questions is a time honored tradition.
/r/MensRights09/09/15 04:35 PM
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Identity politics rules the world. You may have no interest it in but I assure you, it has an interest in you. Or, to put it another way People who don't do identity politics are done by it.
/r/MensRights09/09/15 04:01 PM
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Or, she could be saying: even if you are such an asshole as to not see men as human beings and that only women deserve compassion, you would still not want to limit aid to women and children for these reasons. But minus the insult, so her audience won't take offense. Hard to say without seeing more of her writing. And how she responds to the blow back she is going to get.
/r/MensRights08/09/15 07:32 PM
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She's a feminist so she supports that shit. Everyone outside the MRM supports that shit. Traditionalists are just as bad. I suspect that her gut is telling her something is wrong, and, during her initial attempt to state reasons in support of her gut, she is wandering around and unfocused. I can't really prove that my interpretation is correct and yours not, until we see more of her writing.
/r/MensRights08/09/15 07:30 PM
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This was her second paragraph (and her first one was simply stating that she is against women and children first policy): You might think that, as a feminist, I’d be fine with prioritising women. But instead my reaction is quite the opposite. Partly my reaction, I admit, is an emotional one: I find myself wondering at what age my now ten-year-old son would count as no longer worth saving (16? 18? 21?); and knowing that my partner, brother and father would already be deemed so. But not all the re…
/r/MensRights08/09/15 06:16 PM
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She made a plain moral argument that men are people too. She went on to talk about how men benefit women as well, and I get that that weakens the moral stance, but she did clearly articulate that male humanity is the issue. I applaud her.
/r/MensRights08/09/15 05:49 PM
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What's wrong with her "this could affect my son" argument? The longer version of what she's saying is: men are people too, and if you doubt this, do you have a son, brother, father, or husband, are they not a people too? I applaud her reasoning there. The most widely celebrated mra could not have said it better.
/r/MensRights08/09/15 05:43 PM
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Male lives matter.
/r/MensRights08/09/15 04:19 PM
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I was amazed to see the women applauding ayn. She got in a few good licks but overall I didn't think she argued well.
/r/MensRights08/09/15 03:42 AM
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We should start a change.org petition to have her disbarred. She has no business practicing law when she was caught sexually assaulting someone.
/r/MensRights07/09/15 10:56 PM
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Very well written. Does an excellent job calling out the double standard without getting lost in the weeds.
/r/MensRights06/09/15 01:26 PM
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By word of mouth or in print?
/r/MensRights01/09/15 10:39 AM
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I have a prediction: She is lying. The FERPA did not prevent her from revealing the truth. She is using it as cover in an attempt to deflect calls for her resignation for her abject cowardice, and her disregard for the welfare of the innocent students she slandered.
/r/MensRights31/08/15 09:24 PM
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Thanks for posting that.
/r/MensRights31/08/15 02:36 PM
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I'll grant you petty. I was listing vices at random and not pausing to think each one through.
/r/MensRights30/08/15 02:13 AM
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I think the MRM is a movement that wants to close the compassion gap. We want society to extend something like the compassion it has for women and girls to men and boys. Obviously not everyone would agree that the compassion gap exists, or if it does which sex it favors. What I think defines the MRM is a belief that there is a significant compassion gap in favor of women. We believe that the root of the problems that negatively impact men is that society considers men disposable. Not to prove an…
/r/MensRights29/08/15 06:56 PM
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One of the authors interviewed, Jonathan Haidt, is also the author of "The Righteous Mind", which is a brilliant analysis of identity politics and how it leverages fallacious moral reasoning. The other author is the CEO of FIRE.
/r/MensRights28/08/15 05:37 PM
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A review of how divorce settlements generally play out and what you can do to protect your legitimate interest in you family from a legal system that has been weaponized against men. It should be driven by heavy case analysis from which patterns are deduced and not driven by the divorce lawyer apologists
/r/MensRights26/08/15 11:31 PM
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because the country doesn't have a system to deal with men who sexually assault women. How do you figure? At least its against the law for a man to rape a woman in india. Not so for the reverse, thanks to partisan women's groups there.
/r/MensRights26/08/15 01:19 PM
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I think people have a natural tendency to form identity groups of all kinds (women vs men, urban vs rural, white vs black, blue collar v white collar, academic vs technical, rich vs poor, ...), and society has arisen from a general truce called between those groups. The purpose of the political system is to keep the peace between those groups. If the political system were to break down, the tension between those groups would rip society apart. At the same time, civilisation was built upon the wh…
/r/MensRights25/08/15 03:00 PM
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I think male identity is ruthlessly policed. Men are not allowed to have a positive identity as men. If they were, it would work against the disposability of men and set off alarms in everyone's minds about how society could protect itself during times of crisis. Male only spaces used to function as sources of positive male identity, even if it was in the context of other identities than male identity itself (policemen, firemen, soldiers, ...). I never participated in those but I think r/mr, and…
/r/MensRights25/08/15 11:32 AM
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I feel like they are afraid of our ability to disrupt their carefully constructed narratives and are just sticking their fingers in their ears. Another analogy is that they are whistling in the dark. Our numbers and influence are growing and theirs is weakening.
/r/MensRights24/08/15 03:28 AM
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a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman The slipperiness of this wording is truly awe inspiring. Imagine at some point, she is called on the carpet for this. She can then say I meant a man who regrets sex that he freely engaged in. As for coerced sex, I was simply not aware that that happened enough to worry about. The fact that her definitions played a role in preventing the word from getting out was an unintended side effect, she would say.
/r/MensRights23/08/15 06:55 PM
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That's a very good illustration of how to use the feels over reals analysis of "the coddling of the american mind", but aplied to men rights and feminism instead of campus speech codes. Well done.
/r/MensRights23/08/15 02:26 PM
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I like your analysis. I think you understate it, however. Men, as a group, are also more likely to see misogyny than they are to see misandry. Men as a group are not unbiased, they are biased in favor of women.
/r/MensRights23/08/15 02:23 PM
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I am not commenting on exactly what led up to the particular photo (whether the guy was in on it or not). I am commenting on how people would think about the photo if the guy was not in on it, and if the genders were reversed and the girl were not in on it. You seemed to by doing this yourself when you wrote: Most dudes wouldn't give a fuck if this happened to them but chick's would and do care. It's not always apples to apples. By "this happened to them" you meant some guys the girl didn't know…
/r/MensRights21/08/15 05:52 PM
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I don't think you do get it. Imagine a frat party where a guy gets drunk and passes out. A girl finds him, pulls his pants off, waits for him to get an erection, and mounts him until he ejaculates, all while he is passed out. She gets pregnant, has the kid, then successfully sues the guy for child support. Now, what does it say about our society that the minute she steps into a court room and the manner in which she got pregnant becomes clear, she was not led away in hand cuffs, and her child ei…
/r/MensRights21/08/15 03:49 AM
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What do you suppose might happen in prison to a man that was falsely convicted of rape? And might that happen on an on-going basis? "You raped their life" is not necessarily a metaphor when discussing false accusations.
/r/PussyPassDenied20/08/15 07:58 PM
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And you don't find that the least bit cowardly?
/r/MensRights20/08/15 07:53 PM
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Care to elaborate on that, or were you going to just let your thousand plus upvotes do the talking for you?
/r/MensRights20/08/15 05:58 PM
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How can everything be totally 'fair' when there's inherent differences between sexes? Roughly what inherent differences do you think there are, that would negate the claim that men and women should have equal access to the spheres of education, work, and home life? I don't see any.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 01:54 PM
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Well in this instance, everyone's fine with saying there's a fundamental difference between how two sexes perceive things. I'll grant you that, by virtue of 5S5S5SS5's comment getting over a thousand upvotes, it would seem that the most of us here are fine with their point that its OK for there to be a fundamental difference in how the sexes perceive this scenario, and therefore others as well. I am not fine with that. Its not OK for there to be a fundamental perception in the nature of what con…
/r/MensRights20/08/15 01:46 PM
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If you don't think there is a good reason for men to view this scenario as a violation, then why do you think there is a good reason for women to view it as a violation? I gather you are thinking men would not mind because, wink wink, there is no harm being done. Very well, explain to me the harm being done to a woman in that scenario and why that would not be a harm to a man.
/r/MensRights20/08/15 01:42 PM
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Why do women get so upset about this scenario happening to men and why do men not get upset about it? Depending on the answers to those questions, this could be apples to apples, or apples to oranges. I suspect part of the reason men may not get upset about this scenario (to be honest, I am not sure that the average man would not be upset about this scenario, I mean how often does it happen? As far as I know its never happened to anyone I know) is that, part of being a man-in-good-standing is be…
/r/MensRights20/08/15 01:37 PM
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Seems perfectly clear to me whats going on. Victimhood is power. Or, as Benjamin Franklin put it,"a woman is never so strong as when armed by her weaknesses"
/r/MensRights20/08/15 12:49 AM
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I am beginning to think that we'll know when the mrm has a place at society's bargaining table, that weve arrived, once this lie is widely known as such. Until then, we are a marginalized group relegated to the sidelines and ruthlessly policed. We have made big gains, but we haven't arrived.
/r/MensRights19/08/15 07:05 PM
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My response is it doesn't make sense to me that a potential future victim is more important that a present actual victim. How is it different from saying "you know what burns me about sex crimes? The next time a man is falsely accused of rape, and protests his innocence, no one will believe him"
/r/MensRights19/08/15 12:33 AM
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I agree. I think most political assertions are things we could be wrong about, and are also the things the public discourse is going to center on. So greeting most such conjectures you dont like with "source?", instead of "why do you believe that?", is not fair.
/r/MensRights19/08/15 12:25 AM
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Not every claim worth thinking about can be sourced to formal research. I think what's always fair to ask is,"how do you figure?". But if you ask me for a source and I explain my reasoning, and you come back with,"not an explanation, I want a source", then I think that's not honest or careful thinking.
/r/MensRights18/08/15 09:11 PM
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My all time most hated argument is this one. This is often floated in the midst of a discussion about a false rape accusation: you know what burns me about false rape accusations? The next time some woman gets raped and complains, no one will believe her. Anyone want to take a whack at answering it effectively and righteously?
/r/MensRights18/08/15 05:43 PM
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I am saving this to quote later ;-)
/r/MensRights18/08/15 03:11 PM
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Thanks. I have been searching for a satisfactory reply to "don't stick your dick in crazy" and never been able to compose one that I liked until this morning. "don't stick your dick in crazy" has been on my short list of vicious, underhanded, snarky arguments that really needed a good comeback for a while now.
/r/MensRights18/08/15 03:00 PM
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I prefer the larger scale version: Dont engage with a society that doesnt fully respect your dignity as a human being (particularly as evidenced by its placing the onus on you to avoid vicious people instead of punishing them when they commit outrageous violations of your trust). That soceity has serious contempt for you. Tread lightly upon its streets and corridors. Seek out others who realize this truth and bear witness to each other.
/r/MensRights18/08/15 10:35 AM
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I am sure that the abolitionist movement had periods of explosive growth long before racist became a dirty word. Femisists may be wield great institutional power for a long time to come. We may not even have seen them at their zenith yet.
/r/MensRights18/08/15 10:28 AM
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I am not sure Lurker_IV agrees with you about the special pleading being cowardly. I could see their last line: With that said each case needs to be looked at individually to decide if it is necessary. as meaning that in the case of women being underrepresented in field X, affirmative action is warranted, but in the case of men being underrepresented in field X, affirmative action is not warranted.
/r/MensRights17/08/15 02:48 PM
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I thought the RavenousRabbit was saying that MRAs have been saying that affirmative action is a bad idea for a long time, during which it was mostly men who were being discriminated against. But now that it is being used against women, MRAs want affirmative action to stay in place Therefore MRAs are hypocrites. So I was pointing out that, in order to get everyone to see that affirmative action is bad, it should be enforced against women for some time. This would hopefully lead to a broader recog…
/r/MensRights17/08/15 02:43 PM
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I can't tell, from what you wrote, whether you support the use of affirmative action in Sweden to raise the number of men or not. I suspect you took some care to achieve that result. Well done.
/r/MensRights17/08/15 02:40 AM
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If you want to get rid of a law, enforce it strictly (against everyone, in other words). Seriously, that hadn't occured to you? Wow. Just wow.
/r/MensRights17/08/15 02:36 AM
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Seems like her theory is that men are morally inferior to women, because men as a group conspired to take advantage of women as a group. So she is a female supremicist, by her own admission.
/r/MensRights13/08/15 02:43 PM
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They probably both realize the handwriting is one the wall and they would be fighting for their reputations sooner or later. Smells like koss feeding lisak to the crocodile in the hopes that it will eat her last.
/r/MensRights12/08/15 02:07 AM
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Exactly.
/r/MensRights08/08/15 06:20 PM
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And we need feminists to focus on issues that specifically impact on women. If that's what feminism means to you (that is, feminists are supposed to focus on the issues negatively affecting women), then is it really fair to say, in the linked image of your OP, that feminism is about men and women supporting each other?
/r/MensRights07/08/15 05:20 PM
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What's the main concept of TrollXChromosomes?
/r/MensRights07/08/15 05:10 PM
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But society has made it a complicated interaction for no reason. No reason? Its not hard to see the problems traditional gender roles solved. I would amend your statement to say that sexual relations are burdened by outdated rules that once made perfect sense but no longer do.
/r/MensRights07/08/15 03:18 PM
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When I spoke of considering 1, I meant considering whether its true or not. Your comment doesn't do that. Rather, it fleshes out a line of reasoning that someone might go through when deciding to use poison rather than a gun or knife. Reading the details of that reasoning, one begins to feel awful for the imagined female victim who would be driven to such an attempt. In the midst of that, any concern for whether 1 was true or not fades away as the ancient drive to protect women crowds out compet…
/r/MensRights06/08/15 02:34 PM
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The two obvious explanations for the data are Men are choosing methods more likely to succeed because they are more desperare to end their lives Men choose more violent means because it's just their style. They are not anymore serious to end their lives. When I see this topic discussed, I usually don't see people take 1 seriously. They jump to 2 without even considering that 1 might be true. It is possible to do something about 1 by closing the empathy gap. By extending something like the empath…
/r/MensRights05/08/15 11:22 PM
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I really like your analysis. The roots of disposability run deep, but so do the roots of other basic tendencies that civilisation had modified or found ways to manage, like violence, or polygamy/hypergamy. So it's hard to say what is and is not possible w.r.t disposability. There's only one way to find out.
/r/MensRights05/08/15 01:20 PM
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So what? Why does that make male suicide statistics less pressing?
/r/MensRights05/08/15 01:17 PM
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Maintaining male disposability requires a compassion gap. If society extended toward men and boys anything like the compassion it extends toward women and girls it would not be able to mobilize large numbers of men to sacrifice themselves in order to protect the wider society in times of crisis. So any attempt to extend compassion toward men is strictly taboo and is seen as an existential threat. You will be set upon from all sides for even broaching the topic. One possible purpose circumcision …
/r/MensRights05/08/15 03:29 AM
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For me it's a toss up between circumcision and rape hysteria.
/r/MensRights05/08/15 03:20 AM
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Guilt by association
/r/MensRights04/08/15 07:33 PM
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Glad to hear that you are getting some support.
/r/MensRights04/08/15 07:29 PM
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I don't like her characterization of the debate between Phyllis Schafley and the Dr Ann Scott (the NOW rep) over the ERA. Ann kicked ass and her argument over the draft was sound. Schafley was playing for pure female advantage. The last thing CHS wants to do is address male disposability.
/r/MensRights03/08/15 04:44 PM
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The kind that a society that considers men morally inferior to women goes through when discussing gender relations before it's ready to admit that female supremacy is a pillar of its thought.
/r/MensRights02/08/15 10:25 PM
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Oscar Wilde used mockery to devestating effect in criticising the power structures of his day. Are you sure you want to quote him?
/r/MensRights02/08/15 01:40 AM
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The central defining belief of feminism is that men as a group took advantage of women as a group for the bulk of history. In other words, that men are morally inferior to women. Until a significant fraction of feminists no longer believe that, I think mockery is a reasonsble response.
/r/MensRights02/08/15 01:35 AM
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The truth is just another possible weapon in the general agenda war.
/r/MensRights31/07/15 05:50 PM
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The comment displayed in he article is outrageous. Many of the comments on jezebel, however, are talking about how due process is important and colleges have no business running kangaroo courts. Overall, i was encouraged by how well our side was argued by the commentariat.
/r/MensRights31/07/15 11:32 AM
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this is the post of mine that made the list.
/r/MensRights29/07/15 03:08 PM
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My only point was dont jump to conclusions about which sex does more damage. You have to measure that if you want to know.
/r/MensRights29/07/15 03:25 AM
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If someone smaller and weaker than you waits until you turn your back and then hits you over the head with a frying pan, or an ash tray, or a shovel, do you think there is any limit to the damage they could do to you? The element of surprise, and using weapons, can more than equalize any strength difference. The only limit to how much damage someone you live witb can do to you is how vicious they are, not how strong.
/r/MensRights29/07/15 03:14 AM
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I hesitate to sign this as I am afraid it would paint a target on my back. Only a few hundred signatures. An easy way to identify real life MRAs.
/r/MensRights28/07/15 07:17 PM
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Wouldn't that mean that the damage inflicted by women is not less?
/r/MensRights28/07/15 07:13 PM
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and that violence inflicted by women tends to be less severe, How do you figure?
/r/MensRights28/07/15 05:27 PM
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This. And people are built to form groups around threat narratives and sacred beliefs, which give rise to propoganda campaigns that seek to take control of society. The book to read if you want to understand how this works in depth is The Righteous Mind, by Jonathan Haidt. The idea that men dont deserve compassion is a sacred belief. Questioning a sacred belief brings an immediate, hostile, unconscious response from most people. As if you had kicked a puppy. They dont even understsnd why they ar…
/r/MensRights28/07/15 11:37 AM
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What your missing is how central male disposability is to civilisation, and how deeply unsettling it is to people to consider dismantling it by showing compassion for men and boys. A great essay on this is "is there anything good about men". Suggesting that men deserve compassion is strictly taboo.
/r/MensRights28/07/15 03:49 AM
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To kill a mockingbird
/r/MensRights28/07/15 03:38 AM
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35 women say he sexually assaulted him, and not one went to the police within a day or so, when it might have been possible to gather evidence? Not one? Really? Do you know what a witch hunt is?
/r/MensRights27/07/15 09:05 PM
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I sense a coalition of journalists and academics coming together to fight against the weaponization of sexual assault and rape laws against men. The w post seems to be leading the charge. This is fantastic to watch and fills me with hope for the future.
/r/MensRights26/07/15 07:42 PM
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I agree with your list of pros, but celebrating incremental steps is not how civil rights are won. The fact that the target group is considered inferior should be brought up at every opprotunity. The symmetry argument is powerful.
/r/MensRights25/07/15 05:33 PM
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I think that the legitimate interests of the provider in nurturer/provider marriages are not being respected in culture or law. This got much worse with no fault divorce. The predictable outcome is fewer nurturer/provider marriages and more provider/provider marriages or non-marriage relationships. Nothing will stop this trend until the interests of the provider are well respected.
/r/MensRights24/07/15 07:48 PM
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I'll grant you that your interpretation (his bad faith) is a distinct, coherent, possibility. I don't grant that its more likely than other interpretations (her bad faith, or two shitty people).
/r/MensRights24/07/15 07:40 PM
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This is just another married man looking to cheat on his wife. How does your experience with men trying to cheat on their wives imply that Michael Sonmore (the author of the defense of open marriages the open letter is responding to) is just another married man looking to cheat on his wife? Are you suggesting his story about how they have an open relationship is a lie, his wife does not sleep around on him, and that by writing this article he is going to convince other women to sleep with him?
/r/MensRights24/07/15 02:57 PM
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If his goal was to get laid, then why wouldn't he be ok with an open marriage? Why all the regrets woven into his article?
/r/MensRights24/07/15 01:13 AM
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Either he is OK with his wife sleeping with other women or he is not. If he is OK with it, then I don't see either spouse as treating the other one poorly. The children are another matter. If he is not OK with it, which I think is more likely to be true given the expressions of regret quoted in the open letter reply, then I suspect his sleeping with other women is something he is doing to reassure himself that his wife is not taking advantage of, and humilitating, him. A form of whistling in the…
/r/MensRights23/07/15 07:22 PM
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That article was glorious.
/r/MensRights23/07/15 07:07 PM
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Thanks for all your hard, inspired work Dean. I wish you all the best and a speedy recovery.
/r/MensRights23/07/15 03:39 AM
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We can speak for ourselves.We don't need to be spoken for. Aw, come one, that's just not fair. If no one spoke for you, they how is anyone supposed to appropriate your victim cred for their own purposes?
/r/MensRights22/07/15 10:06 PM
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Thanks for weighing in. If I were to say anything to the OP agreeing with him, he would interpret it as "see, even a white MRA gets it", and if I were to disagree he would interpret it as,"well what does he know, he's just a white MRA". I am sure he would deny that, and accuse me of reading his mind, but his post clearly positioned things that way. I notice from your recent posting history that you analyze sjw rhetorical tactics in some depth. That also happens to be my main focus as well. I rea…
/r/MensRights22/07/15 06:55 PM
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If every clause that could be phrased coherently were enforcable, then yes, there would always be wiggle room in the totality of the contracts (and their referenced documents) you sign to go to collage that would let them do anything. Which is why the broader principles and practices (both in culture and law) that govern what sort of agreements are enforcable is so important. And such a central battle ground in identity politics.
/r/MensRights22/07/15 04:47 PM
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Should charges against Elliott be dismissed, Guthrie and Reilly, and their group of vocal public supporters, will be inundated with more misogynistic attacks from angry MRAs, including threats of rape or murder. It’s happened before. It will again. On the other hand, if the judge should rule that Elliott’s behaviour was criminal, thus vindicating Guthrie and Reilly, the response will be … pretty much the same. As for Elliott, even if he’s acquitted, chances are his life will have been irrevocabl…
/r/MensRights22/07/15 03:43 PM
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While I agree that false accusations that are mistaken and not malicious are not generally talked about, and should be, your idea that avoiding the vitriol of feminists is a strategy worth pursuing is mistaken. If anything, the fact that feminists hate a line of argument is evidence that its working. I have a prediction. If arguments grounded in reducing the incidence of mistaken false accuasations (non-malicious ones) actually gain ground and start making changes, feminists will hate it. They w…
/r/MensRights22/07/15 03:33 PM
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Which points intrigue you? Just to expand a bit on the battle hardened argument point, suppose you are at a dinner party in polite company, and someone brings up the Brian Banks case, or another false rape accusation that makes the news for a time. Before the conversation can really get started, someone opines,"You know what really burns me about false rape accusations? The next time a woman is genuinely raped, and goes to the police to file a complaint, no one will believe her." This effectivel…
/r/MensRights16/07/15 06:39 PM
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Reading, writing, thinking. Putting our heads together on r/mr. Field reports, after action analysis, crafting and sharing battle hardened arguments. There is no way around the long march through the institutions. It takes a generation and its mostly about talking.
/r/MensRights16/07/15 01:36 AM
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That was a glorious read. Thanks for posting it.
/r/MensRights15/07/15 11:38 PM
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Part of what is needed here is a notary like web service where you could send sha hashes. Suppose you had a secret recording of a phone call you had with someone, for example, and you wanted to be able to prove in the future that you had that conversation at time t. Right after having the conversation, you calculate the sha hash of the audio file and upload it to a service, and the service then stores the hash and the date and time it was received. In court, you produce the audio file, and the f…
/r/MensRights15/07/15 04:50 PM
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That's a good comeback to the 'let's stop just talking and go do something for a change'. If anything, there is not enough discussion about men's rights going on. edit: It is nice to see how well our side is argued in the comments section. That is one of my main barometers for far the MRM has come in these past 3 years. Just go to the comments sections and see how well the MRA side is argued in response to anti-male articles. Men now have a seat at the table.
/r/MensRights15/07/15 04:26 PM
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Were you surprised that he didn't ask for money? Why do you suppose he didn't?
/r/MensRights15/07/15 03:29 PM
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If the only price the university pays is that they have to reinstate this particular student (they don't even have to pay his legal fees!), I don't think they are going to be in any hurry to overhaul their sexual assault greivance procedures, or to discipline the behavior of the administrators who acted with woefull disregard to the accused's rights. Don't you think that the Dean of Student Affairs Sherry Mallory, for example, should be held responsible for her conduct throughout the case? If we…
/r/MensRights15/07/15 02:47 PM
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You are not missing anything. Men are disposable.
/r/MensRights15/07/15 11:33 AM
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That would only happen if he had broad public support for his plight. If his case resonated with the public. The public couldn't care less. Sir Tim Hunts remarks are a vastly more pressing issue on the public mind.
/r/MensRights15/07/15 11:32 AM
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You don't think the university should have to pay damages to the male student for how it treated him?
/r/MensRights15/07/15 11:30 AM
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The goal is to get society to extend to men and boys something like the compassion it extends to women and girls. To close the empathy gap. Some of my reference points are: The aftermath of donglegate (I actually think it was a game changer in many ways) The widening awareness of the erosion of due process for men accused of rape and sexual assault, especially on campus (the collapse of the UVA rolling stone narrative, and the collapse of mattress-gate). Witness the faculty of harvard law's lett…
/r/MensRights14/07/15 10:57 PM
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Because ha was dumb enough to agree to make these embryos in the first place? You mean it was dumb of him to assume that the legal system would enforce the terms of an agreement governing the use of the embryos they both willingly signed? You say this and think the legal system should enforce a promise to not seek child support for the children brought to term from the embryos?
/r/MensRights14/07/15 08:53 PM
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I think she has a right to the embryos. Just make him not financially responsible for them. Even if he were not financially reponsible for the children, I would still say that she does not have a right to use the embroys and bring them to term.
/r/MensRights14/07/15 04:56 PM
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Its not a question of whether she is on drugs or not. Its a question of whether the court system that has already awarded women in two similar cases the right to disupted embroys is on drugs.
/r/MensRights14/07/15 04:53 PM
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Unbelievable. I don't even know where to start.
/r/MensRights12/07/15 10:53 PM
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Excellent article. Thanks for posting.
/r/MensRights12/07/15 08:07 PM
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I think i know why she had lower growth estimates than the rest of the board. She was only counting authentic conversations.
/r/MensRights11/07/15 03:00 AM
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Excellent article. Who's the author?
/r/MensRights10/07/15 03:07 PM
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Yes. And we also get a set of battle hardened arguments that can withstand the typical silencing narratives that the broader soceity uses to dismiss male concerns. Assembling considerable facts and evidence is only the first hurdle. Getting the wider public to care takes a well trained army of commentators to engage society of all fronts. R/mr is the perfect training ground for that army. I'be never seen anything like it.
/r/MensRights10/07/15 01:03 PM
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The mrm has made tremendous gains in the past 3 years. I am at a loss to understand how people can assert that we "haven't done jack shit".
/r/MensRights10/07/15 12:49 PM
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To not have the same responsibilities, will invariably lead to squabbling over what is deemed fair. I call this the problem of incomparables. When trying to balance the rights of responsibilities of two people in some sort of voluntary relationship (husband/wife, buyer/seller, employer/employee, ...), it makes little sense to assign values to the unique burdens of each person. To some women, bearing a child does not take a heavy toll and might even be looked at as en enjoyable eperience overall,…
/r/MensRights08/07/15 07:52 PM
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Misconceived equality NKF considers female conscription as a misunderstanding of the concept of gender equality and the intentions of the Law on Equality. Gender equality implies first and foremost that women and men should have the same human rights and fundamental freedoms. Women should be valued and allocated power and resources on equal terms with men. But women and men do not have to be alike or do the same things to be equal. Cue Nelson: Ha Ha!
/r/MensRights08/07/15 04:52 PM
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Humanists are never going to be able to form a coherent identity group like feminists, WRAs, or MRAs can because there is no out-group.
/r/MensRights07/07/15 05:34 PM
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Excellent point.
/r/MensRights07/07/15 10:14 AM
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It is weren't for the sort of anonymous speech sites like reddit make possible, I would have no way to express compassion for men and boys when commenting on current events. The flak I would take if I let on at work or at home how I actually analyze the news would be unbearable. I am sure I would lose my job.
/r/MensRights07/07/15 02:32 AM
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Thanks for caring, thanks for sharing, and thanks for not using a throwaway. Your post made my day. To answer a rhetorical question of yours: When did it become a "only a girl problem" in every situation? Since before mankind had spoken language, men occupied the position of disposability. Their main usefulness to society was their ability to provide for, and protect (absorb violence on behalf of), women. A man that refused to do that was cast out. The main usefulness to society of women was the…
/r/MensRights06/07/15 09:09 PM
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I think OP's title is misleading. The YT's didn't say or imply that they would have been against how the Fit bit was used in the rape case where a false accuser was caught, and the accused was cleared. I thought the YTS were making a good argument about how privacy is being eroded without people being conscious of it.
/r/MensRights05/07/15 01:00 PM
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I wasnt expecting you to like my comment. The way you describe the issues you are setting out to study seems very anti rational to me. Oriented toward persuasion and negotiation more than discovery of truth. Are you preparing to burrow into the belly of the beast and work toward defeating it from within? If so, then do you really think in the terms like "i want to research how to define sexism?" You cant deconstrct a dominant social narrative if your thinking is actually governed by it.
/r/MensRights05/07/15 03:36 AM
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The article asserts that male programmers have built and maintained a culture that alienates women and turns them off to programming. He supports this claim by citing some ads containing sexual innuendo and lawsuits by women against software companies. I wonder how hard it would be to demonstrate the truth or falsehood of this assertion without relying on a handful of anecdotes followed by an appeal to "come on, we all just know this is true!"
/r/MensRights04/07/15 11:09 PM
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One that had some power over you.
/r/MensRights04/07/15 09:05 PM
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I think they would have had an easier time forgiving you if you hadn't spoken the truth. Let that be a lesson to you.
/r/MensRights04/07/15 02:07 AM
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It doesn't make sense to do a research project to define a word, unless all you are doing is determining what people mean when they use the word in different scenarios. That's clearly not when you are supposed to do. I think your real assignment, if it were described honestly, would be something like,"find a way to use the word sexist that applies to people criticizing women but doesn't apply to people criticising men" How about this definition? A sexist belief is one that implies that one sex i…
/r/MensRights03/07/15 03:38 AM
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Message discipline? Seriously?
/r/MensRights03/07/15 03:30 AM
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I take a different view. The existence of identity politics is a consequence of man's tendency to form groups. Politics is about keeping the peace between groups. Civilisation rides on the back of that system. Without it, we would be stuck in the stone age. It has a dark side, of course, and it's anti rational aspects. When you see how it operates, and understand the dangers and pitfalls, the system is stable and predictable and workable.
/r/MensRights02/07/15 04:43 PM
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I see the full range of virtues and vices in the men and women around me. Most of them are basically good people. I could not bring myself to takes sides just because a man was going up against a woman. In the absence of good info i would refuse to take sides.
/r/MensRights02/07/15 02:31 AM
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Thats funny! You are going into be accused of it no matter what so you might as well actually behave that way.
/r/MensRights02/07/15 02:28 AM
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I think the number one thing the mrm has taught me is how media narratives work.
/r/MensRights02/07/15 02:25 AM
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Read your post again. Do you really mean this? A bunch of similar things, but basically, my friendliness and such feels wasted on women, so i'm using it on men would be the roundup. Women who are friends already form the exception to this, as would women who can hold my interest for longer than a few minutes. I can understand saying that you have learned to not extend more compassion toward women than you do toward men, but do you actually extend less? I dont think thats honorable. Women deserve…
/r/MensRights02/07/15 02:22 AM
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I like your list. The MRM made me aware of how identity groups function, and how people are always making digs at other identity groups. A few things I have changed: I am careful to not make digs against other identity groups. For example. I stopped making fun of southerners. I am careful to not let on what my political beliefs are. I basically show no reaction. I don't try to convince someone that is complaining about how X is unfair that its no big deal. I refuse to bad mouth anyone that I wor…
/r/MensRights01/07/15 09:16 PM
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Yes, I saw that your answer basically made the same points that OP's did, but with more explanation. I don't have a problem with your answer, although I think the people that got pissed at the OP would be just as pissed at your answer. There was a lot of man-hating going on in the comments section. Any point, no matter how politely phrased, asserts that men have significant issues that deserve attention would have pissed them off just as much.
/r/MensRights01/07/15 09:01 PM
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Male circumcision is an example of how men have fewer rights than women, which is something the equality movement should care about, given the name and all. So I don't see how she changed the topic.
/r/MensRights01/07/15 08:34 PM
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You rock. Thanks for sticking up for men, and thanks for posting here.
/r/MensRights01/07/15 06:53 PM
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Where do men belong? They should be advocates, leaders, speakers, members, and any other thing that anyone else is. I would like to see you post that response in the r/AskWomen thread and see what sort of votes and replies you get. We change the minds of 1 person at a time, but OP fucked that up and instead of changing minds, they reinforced a negative view of Men and Men's rights. What OP did was derail the conversation. Do you deny that anti-male slurs and attitudes rampant in the thread the O…
/r/MensRights01/07/15 06:52 PM
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They tried to play it safe and appease the side with more obvious institutional power, instead of make up their own minds what they thought was right and act accordingly. That works as long as only one side has any power worth worrying about. As soon as more than one side can hurt you, there is no way to play it safe. Their lack of spine landed them in the catch-22 they now occupy. Truly, virtue is its own reward.
/r/MensRights01/07/15 03:09 PM
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This is starting to remind me of donglegate. Adria called in a nuclear strike and everyone is initially cowed and toeing the feminist line until 4chan calls in their own nuclear strike and gets adria fired, at which point the floodgates opened and tech women, en masse, started speaking up against adria. This has the makings of a nuclear strike against ucl. It would be fantastic if more scientists resigned and it caught on. And,then the floodgates opened and scores of women scientists started spe…
/r/MensRights01/07/15 10:49 AM
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That was indeed a bold move. I think he undercut his own act, however, by saying this: Dimbleby said: “The college has a long and honourable tradition of defending free speech, however objectionable it may be. Sir Tim made a very poor joke and it quite rightly backfired. He then apologised for that,” he told the Times. Why was Sir Tim's joke poor? If you are going to resign, don't concede that Tim's joke was poor, unless you actually thought it was. We've already determined that the forces argui…
/r/MensRights30/06/15 10:53 PM
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Don't you think everyone watching would understand that? I don't see that as deceptive on his part.
/r/MensRights30/06/15 05:50 PM
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Its going to be some time before i can wipe the smile off my face from that read. Thanks for posting!
/r/MensRights30/06/15 03:32 AM
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Utterly brilliant! I am going to start doing this. Crafting talking points and terminology like this is the bread and butter of any serious civil rights movement. Well done.
/r/MensRights28/06/15 03:52 AM
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The belief that men as a group took advantage of women as a group for most of history is pure man hatred. A belief in the moral superiority of women over men. And that idea is a central belief of feminists of all stripes. If groups interested in men's rights are not willing to call out feminists on that, then they can expect to get as far as civil rights groups did before they were willing to insist that African Americans were not morally inferior to whites.
/r/MensRights28/06/15 03:47 AM
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Cafe is going to be attacked so long as their aim is to extend compassion toward boys and men. It has nothing to do with how anti feminist they are.
/r/MensRights28/06/15 03:40 AM
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That the personal is the political. Complain early and often. Never let up. Our task is to construct a positive male identity, for the first time in history, and to relentlessly police anti male slurs in the media.
/r/MensRights28/06/15 03:18 AM
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Cue unverifiable death threats in 3, 2, ...
/r/MensRights27/06/15 08:10 PM
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His commentary on sex in the city was brilliant.
/r/MensRights27/06/15 01:10 PM
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Worth to whom, under what circumstances? If there is a war being fought, you would rather be a female than a male. If you are a commander going into battle, you would rather have men as you soldiers than women. If you are a village elder, and a plague is about to kill a quarter of your village, you would rather sacrifice your men than your women.
/r/MensRights26/06/15 10:51 PM
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Ok. Now I'm curious why the thread was deleted.
/r/MensRights26/06/15 08:13 PM
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Yes
/r/MensRights26/06/15 06:11 PM
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Not directly. Males are disengaging from traditional measures of success, and from traditional institutions because the social contract between men and women has tilted so far in favor of women.
/r/MensRights26/06/15 12:19 PM
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I think you are an example of the more general explanation I posted elsewhere in this thread. Which is why young men are not about to form a coherent identity group that can fight back.
/r/MensRights26/06/15 12:13 PM
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Young men can be enlisted to fight for all sorts of causes, and in the name of all sorts of identity groups. Except one. The one group that's not allowed to have a positive identity that conveys a sense of intrinsic worth, is men. If men were widely thought to have intrinsic worth, men would cease to be disposable, and thus people from all walks of life see any move in that direction as an existential threat to society's ability to defend itself from disaster and war. Male identity is more ruthl…
/r/MensRights26/06/15 12:06 PM
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I think young men prove their worth by showing how ready they are to absorb violence and risk on behalf of women. That ethic is very ancient and runs deep. Civilisation was built on it. Every soceity that didnt figure out how to establish this value was overrun by others that did. You simply cant expect young men to stand up for themselves. Women, and older men, have to do it for them. I am sure we will find a way. But i am also sure that way wont consist of young men cohering into an identity g…
/r/MensRights26/06/15 04:04 AM
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I meant social behavior data, the sort that has political relevance, that you find yourself quoting from time to time in political arguments. The sort of data that people would have a vested interest in fudging, and therefore would require extra vigilance to vet.
/r/MensRights24/06/15 08:20 PM
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What would be an example of a (by your criteria) well founded statistic that you sometimes quote, and what sort of study was behind it?
/r/MensRights24/06/15 03:04 PM
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Do you take no position in which gender is credibly threatened more, and you simply suspect that one of them is and since the study didn't measure that, you consider its findings worthless?
/r/MensRights23/06/15 09:38 PM
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I believe women get it roughly 5x the rate of men. Where did you read that?
/r/MensRights23/06/15 09:35 PM
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Are you aware of the reaction Warren Ferrells talk on the boy crisis at the University of Toronto got from feminists? Have you seen the footage of students calling some of the attendees rape apologist, women hating scum for wanting some insight into why boys and men commit suicide at 3 times the rate women do? Take a look here, and then tell me how we're just making stuff up.
/r/MensRights23/06/15 04:06 PM
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MRAs are routinely called misogynists, when they argue that compassion should be extended to men and boys. That's not hypothetical.
/r/MensRights23/06/15 04:00 PM
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I understand your point, but I don't see where the pew study made that mistake. They asked men and women the same questions (have you ever experienced x, for different types of harassment). Are you suggesting that women are more likely to be subject to specific and credible threats while men are nore likely to be subject to vague (and therefore less credible) threats, so asking them both the same question, without distinguishing how credible the threats are, is comparing apples and oranges?
/r/MensRights23/06/15 03:57 PM
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What's the difference between saying "don't be a pussy" and "dial the victim complex down"?
/r/MensRights23/06/15 12:01 PM
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From the pew research study you posted, 13% of male internet users aged 18-25 and 25% of female internet users aged 18-25 reported begin sexually harassed online. Given how sexual harassment is billed as a uniquely female burden, I would say the fact that the male figure is half as large as the female one is surprising. Why do you find it preposterous that men would be less likely to report being sexually harassed, BTW? Would it surprise you to know that men are less likely to report being raped…
/r/MensRights22/06/15 08:58 PM
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Do you know what it means to be swatted?
/r/MensRights22/06/15 08:45 PM
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If the accused's lawyer let on that they wanted to prosecute the false accuser, people would think that might discourage female rape victims from bringing charges, and they would extend no sympathy toward the man that was falsely accused, despite what a slam dunk this case is. Let's think about that for a moment. People trust the criminal justice system to respect the rights of men accused of rape (to not railroad innocent men into prison), but they don't trust it to respect the rights of women …
/r/MensRights19/06/15 07:13 PM
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Megyn: thank you for realizing the importance of due process, for continuing to question the incredible conduct of the Amherst administration in this clear case of false accusation, and for questioning the the complacency of the mainstream media. Ashe: your articles covering the false campus rape epidemic and the demonization of boys and men in sexual assault law are getting harder to ignore. I think you are one of the more effective journalists working on these issues and will one day be recogn…
/r/MensRights19/06/15 03:31 PM
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Only by comparison with value of male sexuality. Compared to the value female sexuality used to have, it has lost tremendous value. Women in general have been taking education and work much more seriously over the last few decades, and are providing for themselves more as a result. They are stepping up. The women that like the AMA are the ones that are not interested in working hard and are starting to panic at the thought that they might have to work hard. The value of those women is dropping l…
/r/MensRights16/06/15 07:08 PM
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So participating in an AMA with an edgy blogger asserting "dick has low value" is like whistling in the dark for women that wanted the old deal of not having to provide for themselves who are starting to panic. I think you hit the nail on the head.
/r/MensRights16/06/15 07:05 PM
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This dilbert cartoon just popped into my head. They are at a meeting with the big boss who concludes with "Any questions?" A guy full of faux enthusiasm raises his hand and asks,"How can we achieve total quality without sacrificing customer focus?" The big boss asks,"Who wants to see me make Johnson fetch a stick?" All the other hands in the room go up. Sadly, in this case, the OP and the commenter were on the same page.
/r/MensRights16/06/15 07:01 PM
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Great analogy. Also, what sort of social critic holds up their finger to the wind like this guy does when deciding what to write about then backs off in the face of outrage? He should have taken the outrage as confirmation that he was on the right track. Mark Twain is rolling in his grave in disgust right now.
/r/MensRights16/06/15 11:31 AM
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Because of the widespread belief among feminists that men-as-a-group took advantage of women-as-a-group for the bulk of history. In other words, the belief that men are morally inferior to women. While this belief is widely accepted among feminists, feminism amounts to female supremacy.
/r/MensRights12/06/15 11:39 AM
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Can't you just feel the authenticity?
/r/MensRights11/06/15 11:19 PM
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if the fact that no one can actually offer an answer to this question is to be taken to mean that there are no identifiable leaders in the movement, then that's probably a pretty glaring image problem. I'm going to offer a definition of the MRM: the collection of people who want to extend societal compassion to men and boys (who want the issues affecting them addressed). Obviously, many people in the MRM as I have defined it would not self-label as MRAs. I think the MRM has achieved significant …
/r/MensRights10/06/15 04:19 PM
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No, its just pointing out that, until someone makes a significant change in the world, we won't know how significant their work is. That doesn't mean people can't make significant change, just that before they achieve it, most of the rest of us won't know that they are about to. What you are saying is akin to "that fact that we don't know who is about to win an election means that no one will".
/r/MensRights10/06/15 04:08 PM
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Getting laws like VAWA passed, defining rape for research purposes to exclude male victims (NISVS) of female perps, and setting policy as in the dear colleague letter. In short, wielding institutional power to marginalize men. But some people in the MRM are insulting feminism so I guess we are no better.
/r/MensRights10/06/15 12:58 AM
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If that were true then no movement that challenged the existing norms would ever succeed. All it would take was a few agents to say outrageous things while posing as members of the movement to cause the wider public to demonize it. I am sure during the early days of feminism, lots of people tried to mischaracterize it that way, and they ultimately failed.
/r/MensRights09/06/15 08:10 PM
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Very tightly written. Love it. The closing paragraph is to die for: Feminists might not be so surprised today if they had paid more attention when college women, as a feature of Title IX enforcement, were being treated like impressionable children incapable of choosing to join a sports team. Most of the attention was focused on supposedly sexist men, and when Title IX targeted male athletes, academics like Ms. Kipnis didn’t speak out. Now academics are in the cross hairs. Who will be next?
/r/MensRights09/06/15 04:33 PM
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Did she reenact the part where, after being raped, she continues to flirt with him over txt messages or facebook the next day?
/r/MensRights05/06/15 05:37 PM
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Why couldn't there be false rape accusations if there were no rapes? Are you saying that if we succeeded in lowering the number of real rapes, the number of false accusations would have to fall as well?
/r/MensRights03/06/15 08:50 PM
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What do you mean by the bigger picture exactly?
/r/MensRights03/06/15 05:42 PM
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I am sure they can find rapes that actually happened but finding one that reinforces the rape culture narrative is the hard part. For example, most rape victims were probably supported by the community around them, not told to forget the whole thing. The police and medical personnel would probably be sympathetic. The victim's friends as well. What is being sought is a resonant anecdote. An anecdote that can be used to galvanize public support for an agenda. Think Rosa Parks. An example where the…
/r/MensRights03/06/15 05:38 PM
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Her explanation is self serving, even if her description of identity politics is vivid and engaging. She thinks feminism ran off the rails because the really smart people like her did lsd and destroyed their minds. I think feminism never succeeded because of great thinkers. It succeeded because of the decline in farm labor, which only men could do effectively, and the rise of factory and later office work which both sexes could do well. The first society to allow women to work outside the home, …
/r/MensRights02/06/15 04:36 PM
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I believe the resistance men and women both have to seeing men as vulnerable stems from the male role as provider and protector. Soceity, during times of crisis, needs men to absorb violence and risk on behalf of women and children. It needs men to be disposable. it cant do that if anything like the compassion extended toward women were extended toward men. So any attempt to extend compassion toward men is seen as an existential threat to society and viciously attacked and policed. By both men a…
/r/MensRights01/06/15 12:33 PM
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I think before you can expect laws to change, you need a lot of people talking about the issues that sympathize with the direction of change you want. You need grass roots support on a wide scale. I think large circlejerks, as you put it, are the building block of soceity. They are the prime movers of culture and law. Without them soceity has no coherence and will to act.
/r/MensRights30/05/15 11:56 AM
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I think this issue is one of the main threats that gave rise to the MRM. We are doing something about it. We talk about it and in the process grow larger. The lawsuits by students claiming violations of due process are growing in number and are referenced more every day in the MSM.
/r/MensRights30/05/15 11:21 AM
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Well written and sympathetic to how men have been targeted. If she really had taken to heart the principles she espouses in this essay, I would have expected her to speak up long before she personally was affected. In fairness, perhaps she has and I just don't know where to look. If she has, then my apologies to the author. That said, some of the comments are to die for. Here's my favorite: "...these students are indeed the author's "evil spawn." She may have only a small responsibility..." And …
/r/MensRights29/05/15 08:06 PM
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I hought the harvard open letter was excellent. I found this article pretty bizarre though. It was very long and carefully written and said very little about the substance of the debate over due process.
/r/MensRights29/05/15 03:27 AM
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Good one.
/r/MensRights29/05/15 03:25 AM
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I think if he hadnt violated the rules, the u.s. might not exist today. The civil war was an existential crisis. He seized quite a lot of unconstitutional power, and didnt abuse it to enrich himself and his various identity groups. I would say he passed his own test.
/r/MensRights28/05/15 03:06 AM
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Or, as abraham lincoln put it, and I'm surely paraphrasing here,"Adversity is not a good test of character. Plenty of people have it in them to stand up to adversity. If you really want to test someone's character, give them power and watch what they do with it."
/r/MensRights27/05/15 07:34 PM
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She basically admits to your conclusion when she writes: She is, in short, anti-feminists’ nightmare. And now, they’ve alighted on the rare opportunity to turn her own PC tools against her. Forget ironic misandry: For a certain class of white male (and his allies), crying racism, co-opting the Change.org petition, and appealing to the cops provides its own ironic thrill. This amounts to saying,"hey, thats our trick!"
/r/MensRights27/05/15 02:06 AM
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Tha naive reading of that is that soceity cares about animals first, girls second, and boys third. I don't believe the average person is more invested in animal welfare than in either boys or girls welfare.
/r/MensRights26/05/15 06:33 PM
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I mostly agree with you on that. Male disposability is at the root of men's issues and that has been around since the dawn of time. Feminism didnt create male disposability. Traditionalists are a bigger threat than feminism to mens rights.
/r/MensRights25/05/15 04:31 AM
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That hadnt occurred to me. i like your out of the box thinking. If it were ture, that i imagine there would be a high turnover rate among the readership of r/amr. That is, once a subscriber started to sympathize with us, they would stop supporting r/amr. I wonder if there was some is to measure that.
/r/MensRights25/05/15 04:28 AM
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Are you aware of the dear colleague letter, and how the due process rights of men have been eroded through collage tribunals? Do you really think the people who brought us to this point (mary koss, catherine mackinnon, russalyn ali, ...) dont refer to themselves as feminists? or that they aren't referred to by the general public as feminists? The man haters that matter, the ones wielding institutional power, are organizing under the feminist banner. The moderates, no matter how numerous, have no…
/r/MensRights25/05/15 04:06 AM
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Do you understand why, if the contract had stipulated that her son's pinky be removed, and she changed her mind, the courts would not hold her to it absent medical cause, like cancer or an infection like gangrene, in which case the courts would probably force the issue even without a contract?
/r/MensRights23/05/15 11:30 AM
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You can't sign a contract to sell your kids into slavery, or to wound them, or to otherwise give up your responsibility as a parent to act in their best interests except in one case: when you put a child up for adoption. And that's only allowed because it's in the interest of children to allow both parents to agree to surrender their responsibilities to another couple that the state has to agree are equally fit. A parent can likewise not sign a contract in which they give up the right to child s…
/r/MensRights23/05/15 11:21 AM
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That's a good one! My turn: Didn't we get rid of debtors prison in the 19th century?
/r/MensRights23/05/15 11:14 AM
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I think the mom did a great thing to put up such a fight for her sons right to an intact body. Why shouldnt she have, in your opinion?
/r/MensRights23/05/15 05:36 AM
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Heather: Thank you for fighting this as hard as you did. When we finally outlaw circumcision for the human rights violation that it is, the judge who jailed you will be remebered as one of the last authorities to hold human rights back before americans lost this barbaric custom. You will be remembered as one of the few people who forced the issue, and great personal risk, hastenening the dawn. Well done and god bless.
/r/MensRights23/05/15 05:28 AM
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As a consequence of a rather obvious moral stance: medically unnecessary surgery on an infant should not be permitted by any soceity that takes human rights seriously.
/r/MensRights21/05/15 01:13 PM
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Some say, sure, but not if that say is to inflict torture.
/r/MensRights21/05/15 01:08 PM
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I am sure, had your fingernails been pulled out, you could say the same thing. That's no justification for the torture of newborns.
/r/MensRights21/05/15 01:06 PM
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Just because you dont have a conscious memory of it doesnt mean that inflicting trauma on an infant leaves no mental scars. Circumcision is more traumatic that having your fingernails pulled out, seeing as how the foreskin is fused as birth and has to be peeled back from the glans before being cut off. Its literally torture.
/r/MensRights21/05/15 03:05 AM
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The comments section on the ariticle was owned by people who think she is lying. It was very heartening to read.
/r/MensRights20/05/15 05:41 PM
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but I could easily see them all being true, yet still overlapping very little. If they were all true, then they would tend to agree on the details of how he behaved when raping them. His modus operandi. For example, how exactly did he subdue them so that he could force himself on them? Did he twist their arm into a painful position? Did he hold a knife to their throat? A skilled detective would know how the MO of rapists varied in the real world and what questions to ask to nail those details do…
/r/MensRights20/05/15 04:02 PM
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Cases with this many allegations and accusers can take a long time to process. I'm more concerned with whether or not the guy is guilty or innocent. Investigators are, presummably, taking the statements from the 13 girls and following the evidence where it leads to see if there is enough to either convict him of raping them, or convict them of falsely accusing him. Don't you think that those stories would overlap quite a bit and jointly contain more evidence pointing toward his guilt of theirs t…
/r/MensRights19/05/15 07:56 PM
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What incriminating facts could take more than a year to come out? How much longer should we wait? If the brian banks case didn't become a beacon for false allegation prosecution, why would this one?
/r/MensRights19/05/15 01:49 AM
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The author is Spoony Quine, and this article is reposted from her blog here I think she would probably appreciate traffic and comments directed to her blog, instead of to the "before its news" site. There are also a lot more comments on her blog post than in the beforeitsnews.com forum.
/r/MensRights17/05/15 05:18 PM
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Although aggressive feminists will always find some detail to try to shout down, almost no one would try to argue against the need for reform in the way black males are treated in American society, from their schooling days to their lives spent in prison as adults. I am not so sure about that
/r/MensRights16/05/15 05:56 PM
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That was a very encouraging article. it was nice to see the phrase "men's rights" being used in an article in a matter of fact tone, instead of in a sneering tone.
/r/MensRights11/05/15 01:34 PM
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That article was incoherent and full of slurs against homosexuals.
/r/MensRights09/05/15 03:00 AM
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Unless we are talking about a woman getting pregnant from a sperm clinic, then its just fine that the child doesn't have the support of its father and that, if she were to lose her job or income, she might go on state support.
/r/MensRights08/05/15 05:19 PM
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Of course not, but that doesn't mean that, when giving or receiving a blowjob, there is not a common understanding of how people are going to behave in their respective roles. There are a lot of implicit promises that people make to each other in everyday interactions and if we didn't hold people to those promises, society would quickly dissolve. Those promises can and should be enforced in culture and law.
/r/MensRights08/05/15 05:17 PM
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And that common understanding is so widespread and strong, that if you questioned it in anyway, you would really piss people off. Imagine that a man and woman are dating, and the women offers to perform oral sex on the man and he says,"Just so you know, I would feel deeply betrayed if, after I ejaculate, you were to go to the bathroom and spit the semen out and use it to impregnate yourself. Will you agree to either swallow it, or spit it into my hand so I can dispose of it myself" The overwhelm…
/r/MensRights08/05/15 05:13 PM
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Do you have any thoughts on why that hasnt happened already?
/r/MensRights07/05/15 10:51 AM
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Did men impose those roles on women to primarily benefit themselves or were men and women equal partners through history in creating and enforcing those roles to their mutual benefit?
/r/MensRights05/05/15 10:21 PM
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I'd be curious to know how well you think the set of self described feminists does living up to your definition of feminism. I'd also like to know if you think that men-as-a-group took advantage of women as a group for the bulk of history. I think that belief is a common thread running through most feminist thought. I would even call it a foundational belief that sheds more light on the behavior of self described feminists than your definition does.
/r/MensRights05/05/15 07:32 PM
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The victim said this in court: “Her actions have made it all the more difficult for real abuse victims to come forward,” he said. “This is unacceptable. No woman should have to live in fear of wrongful judgment because others have abused the system.” I don't understand why a woman making a false accusation of rape against a man makes it more difficult for a women who has been raped to report that to police and pursue justice. The fact that some women are capable of telling vicious lies doesn't m…
/r/MensRights04/05/15 02:05 PM
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The system of traditional gender roles she describes was unconsciously maintained, and consciously destroyed. She wants it to be consciously reconstituted. I don't think that's possible, as the system relies on not bring examined too closely. I don't think it's possibly for a coherent culture to be intentionally designed as a whole.
/r/MensRights04/05/15 11:29 AM
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I bileve OP is referring to a case where a woman successfully got access to frozen embryos over her husbands objection, despite there bring a contract requiring his consent. Seems pretty rock solid analogy yo me.
/r/MensRights01/05/15 03:36 AM
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Currently, the special pleading on women's behalf in custom and law is stronger than the concept of due process and burden of proof. Until that weakens, I don't see broad support for due process rights going anywhere.
/r/MensRights30/04/15 06:33 PM
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As you lower the age of consent, the likelihood of someone at the upper end of the limit being emotionally dominated goes up. You could lower it from 16 several years and still have cases where the minor was not being dominated, even though the other person was much older. You could say the same thing about stop signs. The accident rate would not jump to 100 percent just because, at an intersection, you didn't have any stop signs. But in both cases, having limits to reduce harm is a proper funct…
/r/MensRights29/04/15 02:55 PM
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Because a 16yo might be emotionally dominated by a 35yo and not realize how unhealthy the relarionship was until years of later.
/r/MensRights29/04/15 11:19 AM
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Oh snap
/r/MensRights29/04/15 02:43 AM
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Can't up vote enough. Already emailed to several friends. that put a smile on my face.
/r/MensRights28/04/15 09:45 PM
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I disagree. Generally speaking children require protection and parents want to protect their children, see them educated, etc. so we grant parents special rights and standing with respect to their kids to facilitate that. Not allowing a father to get a court order to stop a woman pregnant by him from drinking is a men's rights issue because it denies men the standing required to defend their children from an outrageous attack.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 10:01 PM
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So you agree that the father should be able to get the court to force a woman pregnant by him to stop drinking? And that the fact that they don't is a men's rights issue?
/r/MensRights27/04/15 09:45 PM
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The father and the state should both be able to initiate that action. Father's have an obvious interest in the well being of any pregnancies that are brought to term. the whole subject of parental rights is just another way of talking about children's rights anyway. Parents have rights with respect to their children because it's in the interest of children that they do. As in this case. so connecting the dots for you, we have: children's rights, parents rights, father's rights, men's rights.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 09:37 PM
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That a man's legitimate interests in pregnancy and childbirth are not protected is a clear men's rights issue. That your opinion that it's not is widely held is yet another men's rights issue.
/r/MensRights27/04/15 09:09 PM
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Suppose a woman gets pregnant and refuses to stop drinking. Shouldn't the father be able to get a court to force her to stop drinking?
/r/MensRights27/04/15 09:06 PM
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funny how the girlfriend mentioned the part about her losing her job at the very end. What if she lost her job because she thought she could force her boyfriend to pay her way?
/r/MensRights25/04/15 09:04 PM
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can't upvote your observation enough
/r/MensRights24/04/15 07:27 PM
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If this isn't worth getting mad over, what is? oceans of blood have been spilt defending our system of government on the idea that human rights matter.
/r/MensRights22/04/15 02:57 PM
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A city whose officials took their oaths to uphold the rule of law and the rights of their citizens seriously? Who, when confronted with a gross miscarriage of justice by their subordinates, ask themselves what they can do to fix it instead of how they avoid blame?
/r/MensRights22/04/15 02:54 PM
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I think men, when considering marriage, should ask themselves if the woman is ambitious and hard working. It should be hard to get her to stop talking about her plans for her work. Then and only then consider marriage.
/r/MensRights21/04/15 08:47 PM
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I don't think men are going to refuse to have children either. The male interest that's being neglected is that position of provider in a provider / nurturer partnership. That is, the provider can be hung out to dry at the whim of the nurturer, which has created the power imbalance everyone is wringing their hands over. The proper response is to only consider partnerships with women who are going to do at least half the providing, and hold that line. When the woman makes a move to stop providing…
/r/MensRights21/04/15 07:13 PM
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Co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck did attempt to raise the question of whether men should still pursue marriage for the sake of the children, which echoes the traditional Fox News hardline of decrying the decline of marriage and disregard for family values. Isn’t it interesting how that message gets lost when the topic at hand is about how marriage might be bad for men, because of women? Hmmm. How would getting married despite the law favoring women over men, help children? You would just be putting …
/r/MensRights21/04/15 05:56 PM
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You write: (neither?) The male, nor the female, should drop the baby off anywhere if the other parent wants custody And finish with: if only one does, then they that should be taken on a case-by-case basis for what should be done. Don't those contradict each other?
/r/MensRights17/04/15 08:13 PM
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Are you in favor of removing the option for women to drop off the baby, or just against adding that option for men?
/r/MensRights17/04/15 06:37 PM
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Nor do I. You are giving a very good account of yourself.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 01:05 PM
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I applaud your thinking there. if we are to accept women and men as equals we have to realize not just that women have the same virtues and capacity for good, but the same vices and capacity for evil. Traditionalist thought has a blind spot for the second part, and it prevents us from moving forward as a soceity.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 11:31 AM
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i dont think the press would be able to ignore the murder of the boys if our soceity didnt cafe less about boys and men.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 11:19 AM
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You are right that feminism is not to blame for compassion gap. Traditionalists are to blame for that. I am not sure what you are blaming young men for in the areas targetted by boko harum though.
/r/MensRights17/04/15 04:18 AM
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I notice in other replies, you speak of men unconsciously dominating women for most of history. i have two issues with that. How could it be possible for one person to not realize that they are dominating someone else? I think the typical gender roles for men and women throughout history required men to take most of the risk of physical injury and heavy farm work, and required women to bear and raise children and stay out of harms way. I think both men and women consciously upheld this system, a…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:41 AM
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Boko haram, before they started kidnapping girls, had a different MO for their school attacks. They would seize a school, separate the boys and girls, send the girls home, and execute the boys. The western media was silent. Once they started kidnapping girls, the western media started paying attention, and did not mention the slaying of boys once it did. I think that betrays a different level of empathy that soceity is willing to extend toward the two sexes. We are rather bitter about that. We a…
/r/MensRights17/04/15 03:17 AM
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I take it you believe that women as a whole suffer more than men do. How do you figure? If men are not at fault for that, then who is?
/r/MensRights16/04/15 09:29 PM
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mensufferdoucare is presenting themselves as a regular here, but has no comment history. You are not claiming to be a regular at any particular subreddit. I don't see how you could be accused of false flagging. I am curious why you created an account just to post your question here. I gather you don't want some faction to be able to look at your main account history and harass you. Which faction concerns you?
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:48 PM
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You realize that mensufferdoucare has an entire comment history consisting of a single comment? That means someone created an account for the expressed purpose of making r/MR look bad by being rude to you. I am very glad you came to r/MR to speak your peace and hope you feel welcome here. I look forward to hearing your thoughts. I don't think ill of you at all.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:25 PM
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There are circlejerks on both sides of the coin, Yes but we lock arms against MRA circlejerks and wider soceity does not rewarded with institutional power. Witness the rolling stone UVA story, the dear colleague letter, and VAWA as feminist partisan circlejerk thought that translates into significant abuses of power. The MRA circlejerks exist but I think other MRAs are quick to call them out and I don't think they are going to acquire power. I would be interested if you could quote comments in r…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 06:19 PM
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A tiny bit about me; I am a woman, I am a feminist, and I believe that men are not excluded from social injustice, nor should they be blamed as a whole for injustices towards women Do you believe that men-as-a-group took advantage of women-as-a-group for the bulk of history (aka partiarchy theory)? Because if you do, then you are asserting that men are morally inferior to women. I think its dishonest to believe that and also assert that you want equality between the sexes. If you really believed…
/r/MensRights16/04/15 05:51 PM
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Good observation. Damn that burns.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 01:47 PM
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It's clear to me that the author of the article isn't trying to convey a careful understanding of the numbers and the reality behind them, but is grabbing any number that will support their narrative.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 12:42 PM
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Ok I see what you mean now. Jeez. Whoever wrote the article can't seem to make up their mind whether they are counting victims or incidences: Girls certainly experience the majority of sexual assault incidences; only one in 10 victims is a boy, according to the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network (RAINN)
/r/MensRights15/04/15 09:49 PM
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You picked 10 age ranges and assigned a probability that a randomly selected male would be sexually assaulted during that period. Let's call these p1, ..., p10. The probability that a man who has reached age 31 (who's passed through periods 1-5) would have been assaulted by that age is 1 - (1-p1)(1-p2)(1-p3)(1-p4)(1-p5)=, not p1+p2+p3+p4+p5. The analysis you are trying to do is to figure out the lifetime percentage of men and women that were sexually assaulted at some point. You can't simply add…
/r/MensRights15/04/15 05:40 PM
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Any attempted definition of what counts as training could be gamed. I gather the law talks about it in order to justify paying alimony for a limited time so that the spouse that stayed at home can train for a job in preparation for going back to work. If the payee spends the money ineffectively, the judge can call them on it and deny further payment. So this objection, in anticipation of that scenario, calls for a definition of what counts as training, so the payee could defend themselves by say…
/r/MensRights15/04/15 11:36 AM
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I am showing that you cant both have 1 in 6 men sexually assaulted by age 18 and only 1 in 10 sexual assault victims be male. They jointly imply 9 in 6 women have been sexually assaulted.
/r/MensRights15/04/15 03:25 AM
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That is even more absurd, in the direction I am complaining about, because then 1in6 is a lower bound on the fraction of males that were assaulted (1 in 6 is just the number that were assaulted by the time they turned 18, raise the age of assault to be higher, and an even larger percentage of males would have been assaulted). That would mean that not only had 9 out of 6 females been assaulted, but possibly even more than that! I believe my point, that their math is absurdly inconsistent, stands.
/r/MensRights14/04/15 07:52 PM
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In the article we have this: Girls certainly experience the majority of sexual assault incidences; only one in 10 victims is a boy, according to the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network (RAINN). Clicking on the RAINN link takes me to a page with this: Men and boys are often the victims of the crimes of sexual assault, sexual abuse, and rape. In fact, in the U.S., about 10% of all victims are male.1 And, further down, they list 1in6 as another organization they are supportive of: Other Organi…
/r/MensRights14/04/15 12:52 PM
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The right is not exactly falling all over themselves to take it seriously either, but I take your point.
/r/MensRights11/04/15 06:27 PM
1

It takes a lot of skill to assemble and deliver videos like this. There is a building of emotional tension that reaches a peak toward the end followed by a genuine plea for understanding extended toward Bree. Amazing work Karen.
/r/MensRights11/04/15 03:40 AM
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I can't believe that the state is sick enough to order a circumcision on a 4 YEAR OLD. I think circumcising an infant is worse than circumcising a 4yo, because an infant is even more helpless and has less understanding of what' going on and, while it is possible to give significant pain relief to a 4yo because you can talk to them to establish how much pain they are in, it is not possible to do that with an infant so any pain relief used is so conservative that the end result is pure torture. Fa…
/r/MensRights10/04/15 03:01 PM
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You did a great job writing that.
/r/MensRights09/04/15 02:35 AM
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You don't believe the quoted stats are accurate, or you don't think they merit action even if true?
/r/MensRights09/04/15 02:34 AM
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I think you underestimate the peril of belonging to an out-group, and the power of witch hunts.
/r/MensRights09/04/15 01:00 AM
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You think they will win in their lawsuit? How do you figure?
/r/MensRights08/04/15 05:41 PM
2

I've never heard of her before. Is she well known?
/r/MensRights06/04/15 03:43 PM
2

Thanks for linking that. An excellent article.
/r/MensRights06/04/15 03:43 PM
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Excellent work researching and assembling that, pluto. I find it very satisfying when a long unscrutunized feminist narrative is challenged by taking a detailed look at its basis and finding it badly distorted. The truth is not just another weapon to be occasionally used in the battle of agendas. The truth matters.
/r/MensRights05/04/15 05:24 PM
2

You've never heard of NOW? Whats your working definition of feminist?
/r/MensRights05/04/15 11:11 AM
2

Can you name five feminist organizations on your own, without first knowing whether we are going to give them as examples?
/r/MensRights05/04/15 03:06 AM
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Google the youtube video,"why you should never talk to the police" and watch it right away. You need to watch that now.
/r/MensRights05/04/15 02:52 AM
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The ability to is not the burden, the requirement to is.
/r/MensRights04/04/15 09:58 PM
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Come on. That's a total straw man. You need to show some things man have to deal with that can stand up next to wrapping the fucking christmas gifts. That war footage doesn't cut it. Besides, don't you know women are the primary victims of war anyway?
/r/MensRights03/04/15 04:47 PM
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Our culture considers women to be morally surperior to men. it does this by, among other things, refusing to discuss any of the dark aspects of female behavior. so by discussing the dark side of female behavior, we are making it possible for men to be considered the equals of women.
/r/MensRights03/04/15 02:23 AM
2

Weight watchers works like a charm for me. Points = calories/50 + fat grams / 12 - fiber grams / 5. 40 points or less a day and i lose weight. No more than 50 and i dont gain weight.
/r/MensRights01/04/15 02:16 AM
1

OIC. Fair enough.
/r/MensRights31/03/15 02:17 AM
1

You mean you doubt whether men undervalue ambition in women?
/r/MensRights31/03/15 02:09 AM
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I see what you mean. What Jon does is make reference to a whole network of special pleads that his audience buys into. Your audience doesn't buy that network of special pleads, or you've gotten your audience to reject some of the ones he relies on. When I say an argument is polished, I mean it either leverages a network of special pleads, or it avoids falling prey to a network of special pleads by containing an effective refutation of those pleads within it.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 07:48 PM
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Fair enough. The sort of techniques Jon uses, however, are not unheard of among the guests at a typical dinner party. You could easily find yourself up against the level of snark and polish and for those occasions, you need battle hardened arguments that have all of the grappling points filed off until the surface is smooth as a baby's bottom.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 05:48 PM
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Imagine you are on the Jon Stewart show, and he levels the argument against you. I think making your reply stick would take a lot more skill than making mine stick.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 03:01 PM
1

You must hang out in more academic circles than I do.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 11:45 AM
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I don't think laying out a patient, principled argument like yours works in the heat of an informal argument told as a victim story. I had to read your text several times to get it myself and I am on your side. I think a better reply is to work within the story told. "I don't understand your argument. All you've done is erase the victim by shifting the focus away from him and onto a future rape victim. I could do the same thing if we were discussing a rape in the news and saying 'you know what r…
/r/MensRights30/03/15 11:21 AM
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I like your advice. If I might add to it, for a book to be successful, especially one that sets out to engage people in a taboo topic, the author needs to be deeply skilled at argumentation. The only way to acquire a skill like that is to practice it against skilled and motivated opposition. Think of it as learning how to play soccer. I think r/MR is an excellent training ground for that. OP, let me give you an example of how hard it is to deal with battle hardened arguments over taboo subjects.…
/r/MensRights30/03/15 02:42 AM
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I agree. Hard working, ambitious women are not hard to find. I think at least part of the problem is that men need to realize how important it is to value ambition in women. if the woman you are dating is not filled with enthusiasm for the work she is doing, or preparing to do, run.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 02:14 AM
2

Gee. I wonder why men don't report dv against them more? Gee, I wonder why this guy's girlfriend would shoot him? It was self probably self defense.
/r/MensRights30/03/15 12:11 AM
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I get how our culture arrived at its notion of modesty which dictates separate bathrooms, and how we are not at a point where it's politically feasible to remove that segregation. I don't think it is destined to last much longer, however. It would vanish overnight, and everyone would quickly adapt, like an American tourist at a topless European beach, if there were some compelling practical reason to do away with it.
/r/MensRights29/03/15 07:53 PM
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I dont get how a gym is like a bathroom. Whats next, separate drinking fountains?
/r/MensRights29/03/15 03:53 PM
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A woman is never so strong as when armed with her weaknesses.
/r/MensRights29/03/15 04:40 AM
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I think the uncritical acceptance in the mainstream media of the stories of women like Adria and Ellen is a barrier to talented women being taken seriously in tech. Men will keep their distance as long they feel like a woman could bring baseless claims and be widely and reflexively supported.
/r/MensRights28/03/15 11:33 PM
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Thats an interesting admission that the details of the case are not as important as the fact that a woman is suing a man.
/r/MensRights28/03/15 04:09 AM
1

We deliberately advised them to weaponize religious arguments and sentiments in their fight against the soviets. Surprise surprise surprise (read in my best gomer pyle voice), once they had power they setup a violent, oppressive theocracy. Who could have possibly seen that coming amirite?
/r/MensRights27/03/15 09:16 PM
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Yeah, we don't cut people's heads off, we just arm and train the people who do (al queda) then blame their victims because they both self describe as muslim. I feel very smug and satisfied with my moral superiority.
/r/MensRights27/03/15 07:55 PM
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I prefer just calling them out for being anti-male bigots. Hits the spot for me.
/r/MensRights27/03/15 04:14 PM
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So when our elected officials enacted the sanctions which killed muslims, the fact that most of the voters were Christian doesn't count as Muslim on Christian violence? I think I see how you can convince yourself that muslims are more violent than christians. You just don't count it when christians commit it. Then you can claim moral superiority. Got it.
/r/MensRights27/03/15 04:08 PM
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Do you count the sanctions against iraq, which resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths, as Christian violence against Muslims or not?
/r/MensRights27/03/15 01:51 PM
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Exactly.
/r/MensRights27/03/15 11:42 AM
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Who aided and supplied Osama in the first place, going so far as to print korans for him to use to build a perverted islamic sect that later became al queda? I would say that counts as educating al queada.
/r/MensRights27/03/15 11:41 AM
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You are doing a good job holding up your end of the argument. I wish i had more upvotes to give you. Muslim bashing should have no place in the MRM.
/r/MensRights27/03/15 11:36 AM
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What fraction of christians believe that not accepting jesus means you should be tortured for all etetnity? What fraction of americans supported the sanctions against iraq, which amounted to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of iraqi children? Did the u.s. aid iraq in using chemical weapons against iran or didnt it? Muslims are no more violent than christians. Fun fact: which country originally supplied Osama and helped build his movement and radicalize it, including printing korans for use in…
/r/MensRights27/03/15 11:34 AM
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i think the scary men paraphrase is fair. Her version amounts to that. I dont think its reasonable for a woman who had a bad experience , like being attacked by a man, to avoid men in the future to feel safer. Thats no more reasonable than being attacked by a black man, and then avoiding black men in the future. Its a bigoted response to a bad experience that the surrounding soceity should discourage instead of encourage through coddling. If she did have a bad experience at a gym hecause a man a…
/r/MensRights27/03/15 11:12 AM
1

Women generally don't feel entitled like that. If anything, there are more men who think women should feel entitled like that than women who agree with them. There are significant ideas and theories within feminism (like patriarchy theory) that argue that women should feel entitled like that, but at the same time fewer and fewer women call themselves feminist.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 09:43 PM
1

Source?
/r/MensRights26/03/15 07:31 PM
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I took you to be using snark to assert that women were obviously taken advantage of by men in the past, and modern men should apply themselves to making the world better for women, since the modern world still advantages them above women. So i translated from Snark to Rational, and then responded in Rational.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 04:49 PM
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The shit end of the stick? Male dispoability (aka the compassion gap) is the other shit end of the stick. If you want to argue its not worth considering next to what women have to deal with, then you need to work harder than simply taking no notice of it.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 03:41 PM
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attacking and defending labels like feminism matters for the same reason attacking and defending flags on the battlefield matters. both concepts allow people to gather into groups to take collective action. the term feminist is being used to gather forces that attack men. it's how unfair laws like VAWA get passed that weaken the due process rights of men. It's not just an argument over terminology.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 01:17 PM
2

Do you ever find yourself speaking of the patriarchy?
/r/MensRights26/03/15 01:06 PM
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I think bortasz is saying the label feminist is not being effectively policed by the self described feminists that don't hate men, so it's a bad label to use. The hypocritical act would be for borasz to continue self describing as an MRA once the anti woman comments are not actively policed within the MRM. I have started to see anti male comments policed in some quarters where they used to not be, like in 2x, but 2x is not necessarily a feminist space and there are too many feminist spaces where…
/r/MensRights26/03/15 11:56 AM
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The people who say they believe in equality and call themselves feminists still believe in the idea that men as a group took advantage / enslaved women as a group for the bulk of history. In other words, they believe that men are morally inferior to women. You can't believe in equality and supremacy at the same time.
/r/MensRights26/03/15 11:44 AM
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I don't think the woman in the poster was blaming a person who said nafalt for the actions of the ones who doxxed her. She was saying that a label, like feminist, that is not actively policed well enough to exclude doxxers is not a label she wants to adopt. The inability, or unwillingness, of moderate feminists to call out the hatred of men in their ranks renders the label feminist dishonorable. When people who assert that women are morally or intellectually inferior to men are not routinely cal…
/r/MensRights26/03/15 11:34 AM
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Why can't we just believe women already? Why do we have to be like Saudia Arabia where it takes the testimony of Two women to equal that of a man?
/r/MensRights25/03/15 10:19 PM
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I don't think gender roles benefit men at the expense of women. men and women both created and sustained them for their mutual benefit. you think men as a group took unfair advantage of women as a group. That's our disagreement.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 08:23 PM
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I am saying gender roles originated as a functional strategy society used to compete with other societies. They were not a group action men took against women. They were performed and supported by men and women together for mutual benefit. Men are disposable in the sense that, a group that loses a good fraction of its women in a disaster or war is finished. A group that loses a good fraction of its men can recover it's numbers in a single generation. While that fact was fundamental to organizing…
/r/MensRights25/03/15 04:20 PM
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What, in your opinion, is the cause of the oppression documented daily in this sub? Male disposability in work and war. Every soceity that survived to the modern day has figured out how to keep its men disposable in work and war, and doesnt extend anything like the compassion to boys and men that it does to girls and women. Those that didnt were overrun by their neighbors who did.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 12:16 PM
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If it was unconscious, and it wasn't a conspiracy, then how did men cohere as a group to overpower women? Now it sounds like you are arguing that men are natural sociopaths who have so little empathy for their own kin (wives, daughters, sisters, mothers) that they would dominate them for pure material advantage. If that's your theory, you might as well just call men immoral beasts. Jeez.
/r/MensRights25/03/15 01:35 AM
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How is does that relate to my post, that he was replying to, that men are widely viewed as having conspired against women for the bulk of history?
/r/MensRights24/03/15 08:57 PM
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I am not following your point.
/r/MensRights24/03/15 08:13 PM
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Established gender roles aren't some conspiracy perpetrated by men or women. I don't know of anyone who holds that position. I think the argument that men as a group subjugated women as a group for the bulk of history is widely believed. You seriously don't think so?
/r/MensRights24/03/15 07:07 PM
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Unless I miss my guess, the girl will not be punished on the logic that that would discourage rape victims from approaching police. If we don't trust the system to process a rape accusation without running the risk of finding an innocent-accuser guilty (should they be so empowered), then why do we trust it to process the same accusation without finding an innocent-accused guilty (when they are so empowered)? Either the system has the proper respect for due process and objectivity to weigh eviden…
/r/MensRights24/03/15 04:48 PM
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Why do we need to celebrate women like this? I suspect the thought process goes like this: Women are underrepresented among the creative giants of our culture (art, music, literature, ...). Two explanations spring to mind: women aren't as talented as men (or aren't as likely to be talented), or, its a conspiracy to keep talented women down perpetrated by men at the expense of women. Those two being the only explanations we can think of, we choose to believe the second. I offer a third explanatio…
/r/MensRights24/03/15 02:54 PM
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Celebrating women in this that or the other field isn't a feelgood exercise; it's a reminder of how impossible it would be to put the boot on the other foot and celebrate men's contribution in the same discipline. This isn't to denigrate women; there are excellent reasons why there are fewer women artists than men. If you wilfully excluded women from the salons where ideas were exchanged and artists mingled, and from the studios and academies, well, of course you weren't going to get them flouri…
/r/MensRights24/03/15 02:23 PM
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I can see how a lot of people could wind up in the scenarios you are outlining in your post. The essential problem is that, when you live in close quarters with someone, it is easy for them to assault you where there are no witnesses, or public cameras that could capture the scene. I think the idea that this happens to a lot of women is widely believed and there is significant public sympathy for the women caught in those scenarios and forces. What is not widely believed is that there are signif…
/r/MensRights24/03/15 01:06 PM
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most people have enough common sense to know that, if a child says "my dad got angry and cut me with a knife," that the kid isn't lying about it. If a child were deliberately/viciously cut by a parent with a knife, there would normally be a lot of evidence beyond the childs sole testimony to go on. If, in the midst of a custody battle, the child was talking about an event that happened years ago, I think the judge should entertain at least three theories: 1 the child was attacked by the parent a…
/r/MensRights24/03/15 11:17 AM
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Like I said, half of domestic violence restraining orders are denied. Are you under the impression that judges are trained to be conservative regarding restraining orders and that, generally, they are not granted easily enough?
/r/MensRights23/03/15 06:43 PM
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Even in the US, there are police and judges who think it is okay for a man to beat a woman. The fact that a few of those exist says nothing about how many exist. I would be very surprised if that number has not been in steady decline for a long time. You can make the average courtroom as just and rational as you want and still have a few judges here and there like that. By that standard, society will never be enlightened enough to suit you. Any large scale societal gains can be dismissed by find…
/r/MensRights23/03/15 12:54 PM
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In what country do you think women are treated like property? I grant you that in some countrues, women are treated like children in that their husbands are responsible for them (women cant, for example, travel without their husbands, or fathers, permission) but I am not aware of any country where they are treated like property. Being treated like a child does come with less freedom, but it also comes with some advantages. Imagine an abusive housewife in pakistan. The husband would have even les…
/r/MensRights23/03/15 10:35 AM
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It is undeniable that men have inherent power advantages over women. And women have inherent power advantages over men. The particular advantage men have over women, their physical strength, doesnt count for much when it comes to domestic violence, because you have to sleep sometime. And when you do, you can be struck so hard in a single blow that you would not be able to defend yourself, and your abuser can do any amount of damage at that point. So, for people living together, the only practica…
/r/MensRights23/03/15 03:01 AM
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Has anyone seen the trailer for jlo's "the boy next door?" Jlo is a teacher who has sex with a student, who turns out to be a manipulative villian. I have to wonder if that's feminism's answer to "gone girl"
/r/MensRights20/03/15 04:00 PM
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This sort of thing leaves me feeling hopeless about the future, to be honest. I saw that link as well and had the same reaction. However, they are putting some effort into being quantifiable and open, so its not hard to see, as iainmf did, that women are ahead of men in 3/4 of the countries included. If that bias is there, and its still easy to see that women are ahead, then you have to give the site credit for being objective. Constrast that to the NISVS research and how underhanded they are in…
/r/MensRights20/03/15 03:51 PM
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For every hundred girls
/r/MensRights20/03/15 02:09 PM
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I wonder what measures could defeat trolls. The only thing that occurs to me is requiring accounts that have been around for a long time with generally positive comment karma.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 01:55 AM
2

Help us honeybadgers, you are our only hope.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 09:23 PM
4

That is a great analogy. I am thinking that the force = argumentation the light side = rational (aka careful, precise thought), more subtle and requiring a longer road to mastery, the willingness to admit you are wrong at times, ... the dark side = snark, more persuasive and immediate, requiring lots of practice to get good at, but not requiring self-knowledge or introspection or humility to get right. Snark can be used to build large cooperative groups and power structures that last for a time,…
/r/MensRights17/03/15 03:21 PM
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The reason I identified as a feminist was because I wanted to see equality. Hmmm. In what way, back when you first started identifying as a feminist, did you think equality was lacking? I suspect people identify with groups that validate them in some way. Feminism has portrayed women as the victims of history, and men as their victimizers, for a long time now. Being told that you have been held back and that another large group of people were responsible for that and owe you as a result is very …
/r/MensRights17/03/15 12:49 PM
2

A network of self reinforcing (demonstratably false) beliefs (that organize society in some way) can last very long, depending on what's at stake. What you've stumbled onto is the mechanism our brains use to form coherent groups of people. The building blocks of clans, tribes and entire societies. How long did slavery last and how many people knew damned well what a moral outrage it was all along? Slavery lasted as long as it did because of the role it played in the economy. Similarly, the decli…
/r/MensRights17/03/15 11:13 AM
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I am guessing that your post is not genuine, but an attempt to rattle our cage. If it were genuine, you would have more to offer in the post about your thought process than "I started reading about the men's movement and now I see the light, its a miracle!". I could be wrong, but that's what this smells like to me. BTW, this point: men's rights groups attempt to take money from going to women's shelters is true. We argue that the practice of the government setting aside funds to protect women fr…
/r/MensRights16/03/15 10:25 PM
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He doesn't need to deal with any consequences of his death. Apart from the fact that, you know, he dead. When you are dead, you don't need to deal with the consequences of anything, obviously. That says nothing about how we should weigh death itself as a consequence, as compared to other consequences. By your same logic, having to deal with a headache is worse than dying as well. What does say something is how often people would, given a choice between death and something else, choose death. Int…
/r/MensRights16/03/15 08:52 PM
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The idea of having sympathy for bigots seems ridiculous at first, but I think there is serious merit to it. People adopt bigoted attitudes because they don't feel confident that they are valuable to the people around them and try to fill the lack of self-esteem with the value of being a victim of others. They get the negative attention and sympathy that goes with that instead of the positive attention that comes with making yourself useful to your family, co-workers, friends, ... It is very sad …
/r/MensRights16/03/15 03:42 PM
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I think circumcising a 4 yo boy without medical cause is morally grotesque, in a way resonates far more widely than the circumcision an of infant does (although, an infant is even more helpless than a 4 yo and therefore carrying out medically unnecessary amputations on an infant even more grotesque) If you want the law to be respected, then your first duty is to make the law respectable. The courts reasoning in ordering the circumcision, that a parent could make a binding agreement to an unneces…
/r/MensRights13/03/15 11:10 AM
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and she is doing it to fight misandry on a far grander scale. Using misandry against itself as it were. I applaud her and wish her god speed. Heather, you rock.
/r/MensRights12/03/15 05:16 PM
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Why would lack of hygiene make circumcision more desirable?
/r/MensRights10/03/15 10:34 PM
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