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Yes, correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:27 AM
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Based on how little effort people put today in everything from friendships to family.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 03:27 AM
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When a person does it, don't they know exactly with what intention they're doing it? If we want better relationships we need to recognize that for ourselves, and people know - your closest friends and family understand your personality well enough to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 01:55 AM
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It's not about the individual's decision I'm talking about, but the general culture of how people treat marriage. I absolutely think that should change. Imagine we treated marriage as for life (the way it was intended) - people would marry more carefully, and consider even divorce more carefully. Today we don't have that, and in cases where kids get involved, it's even more complicated. We can save the misery all together by being far more intentional and long term, and I'm not commenting on you…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 09:57 PM
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Not having a supportive partner, or having discord in the relationship isn't abuse. People have quarrels, that's part of relationships. It's impossible without knowing you to say the extent of it of course, so I can't comment on that part. The point of what I mentioned in the OP isn't for people to stay in abusive relationships but to not regard just about any strain or challenges in life as abuse. Real relationships have those, but people should learn also in reconciliation, it's important. I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 07:31 PM
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I'm not asking you or anyone to put up with actual abuse. 🙏🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 06:59 PM
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It's not so much about enforcing it, but recognizing we've strayed from it and collectively putting the effort in giving meaning to it. In matters of the heart, using force doesn't work well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:55 PM
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Above 30, nope and I am happy taking my time, I wouldn't be in a long term relationship unless I was going to make her my wife - I absolutely don't get guys who date a woman for 4-5 years. My point of view is more from seeing my parents, and not so much about my life. I can see how poor people are in conflict resolution, full grown adults can't have a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:54 PM
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Because challenges are part of life. As long as it's not actually an abusive relationship. And abuse doesn't mean every challenging situation, conflict or disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:50 PM
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I didn't mean that, I meant using it as a means of control.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:49 PM
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And you would have had a even better one if your parents talked it out, lived in a culture and society where they realized how their conflicts affect their children. Having both parents as part of a good household, where conflict is resolved (or effort is put there) is something most people don't even understand today. Not everyone has healthy parents that emulate maturity. And being divorced doesn’t somehow prevent people from being mature… Yes, sadly. But that's where we as society need to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 03:32 AM
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So your argument is if people don't follow something 100% as you interpret it, there's no point putting any effort? I'm talking about doing marriage with more intention than people do today.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 03:29 AM
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I didn't say you can't leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 03:04 AM
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Why didn't you address this? If you claim to care about "vows" so much, why are you making exceptions just like the people who get divorced? The point is to give weight or value to the vows, and try to live up to them in the spirit of love. That being said, it's neither an excuse to shun responsibilities of life over the first challenge that comes, nor (on the other hand) a word an abuser can use as means for ransom. There are extremes for everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 03:04 AM
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Correct, the word isn't banned, but not easily encouraged. But also healthy means to exit if genuine reconciliation has failed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:26 AM
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There can, and I'm saying there has to - or perhaps the bar to get married be higher to make sense of what marriage is really about. No Vegas style nonsense maybe. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:25 AM
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How far did Orcas or Dolphins develop technology through thousands of generations? Stop comparing man to animals please (no disrespect to animals, but we're different in many ways).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:24 AM
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Maybe the bar to get married should be higher so people don't make that "mistake", what sort of a society are we were we make vows and don't even stick to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:23 AM
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I'm glad. Be blessed and wish you both an incredible, happy, and prosperous life 🙏.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:22 AM
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Society is FAFOing. We're seeing the effects of these.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:21 AM
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We need to depart from the reality where divorce is so common and any conflict or disagreement is seen as abuse. People lack basic reconciliation skills, life is just about enjoyment. Children growing with single moms lose any male role model, they mess up in dating because they have no clue of that dynamic or how conflict resolution is done.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:20 AM
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We see the red flags before we start. But the real red flag (that's inescapable) is the culture we live in. Any sense of responsibility is seen as a mountain to climb that requires a gold medal. Nope - adults should be responsible, relationships, your kids - those are not the chores of life as you enjoy your real life - those are your life. Most adults today forget that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:18 AM
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I agree with you. The No Divorce groups point isn't to stop every divorce (maybe a better name can be thought) but to help in divorces not happen through reconciliation efforts, and for people who don't wish to readily see divorce as an easy option and need a common ground to communicate issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:15 AM
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More people are, I'm not saying everyone does.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:13 AM
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I agree. But when those sometimes have become as common as we see, we need to ask what's going on, are people not treating marriage important because there's a easy route of divorce and some people here claiming it has to be super easy, okay. Then I think the route to marriage has to he super difficult, maybe then people will do it with real intent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:13 AM
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What would have been even better than both is having a close knit circle of people who patched up your parents for the sake of you kids. Bet you didn't have that. Wish you a good life, even if your parents lived through a rough one in your childhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:11 AM
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People who insist their partner should never be able to leave them no matter what are low-key abusive Not even what I said. In virtually every comment you display survivorship bias. "But I turned out fine, so obviously every single other family in existence could stay together too!" That's not how that works though, your one family doesn't create a meaningful metric for billions of families Me, my friends, plenty in my circle. You know why? Because the fixation is not me, me, me - our parents pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:10 AM
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You're wrong. It's not only for the individual when many people are too involved. People aren’t marrying as quickly as they used to hence divorce rates going down. People who get married a bit older and people who are educated tend to have the lowest rates of divorce likely because they are consider these important compatibility factors, and that’s great we should encourage more people Good, and that's how it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:07 AM
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Yes, and I'm not suggesting people even stay after infidelity unless it was in particularly rough times and people feel like forgiving. But not everyone is doing this, that's why I suggested No Divorce groups - where divorce-tending relationships go through a filter or a community that values marriage and gives support. If the situation is helpless, then divorce will happen obviously. But no need to keep it easy, we should probably keep a higher bar for getting married then.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:06 AM
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If you spoke to him, made the effort to get him rehabilitated, spoke to friends who were ready to help him, and made sincere effort to change it and he was still that way, yes, you'd be correct. The thing is, today that effort doesn't exist. And that's where a group like this would intervene and help your situation. Because we have so little social connections, so little effort in these things. Everyone wants happiness, or course, but life isn't just about happiness is my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:04 AM
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Not one. Pretty much most of my friends. And yes, all those things - money, faith, values, lifestyle can be different, those challenges can still be resolved if people want to - not always, but certainly more than today. And what's "irreparable" is relative. For some people, anything that requires even the most basic conversation or conflict resolution is "irreparable" and that needs to change I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:56 AM
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It doesn't happen over one fight, but numerous ones. But what's consistent in those is the lack of sincere effort or understanding of how to resolve conflict - which is where most adults are today, and where kids will be too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:52 AM
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Thank you! But I'm seeing this really from a societal point of view. The problem is, with conveniences this world is becoming more and more individualistic. Which is good in some ways, back in our parents' generation many stayed in life long abusive relationships - that's not good either. But today relationships are breaking like flakes and everyone is abusive, toxic, narcissistic - no, people have all just forgotten what it takes to make it happen - the fairytale has challenges along the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:51 AM
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What else is not found among animals is wearing clothes, generational knowledge. You comparing a marriage to friendship exactly tells me you don't understand the meaning of it. Would you leave your partner the way you end a friendship or for the same reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:48 AM
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People who hate each other and are still communicating to understand each other, and if they really do that sincerely they won't hate each other indefinitely. You'll hate the next person you marry too most likely. The thing is about healthy communication (both sides), and requires compromise, understanding each other. Children won't learn conflict resolution, that challenges are part of life, what it takes to have a man-woman relationship work if parents are all about their personal happiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:46 AM
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Say you were born with a child that has a disability. Taking care of that child for the rest of your life is a challenge. Are you going to bail out? People do unfortunately. A culture focused on personal happiness is why the bar for what's abusive or toxic is so low, and why more and more people getting divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:43 AM
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If it's cheap and easy, and for no good reason, it's exactly why it's lost its meaning. And I'm not expecting perfection, I'm expecting unity through imperfect times (that imperfection being within limits of course, and those limits not being so low that just about any conflict or difference of opinion is abuse or toxic).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:40 AM
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If they're refusing to control things in the relationship, it's absolutely not. This is where I'm saying - the objectives are self-serving, because people have forgotten what a relationship is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:38 AM
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There are definite lines of abuse one shouldn't tolerate. But the only cult is the one in which you are - to think all of life is about happiness, no part of about responsibility or weathering through challenging times together. Where everything is toxic, abusive over the slightest inconvenience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:37 AM
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I disagree though because my parents are very different people too, and they made amends, grew together in the relationship. People certainly shouldn't marry if they're very different. Again, I don't know your childhood, I'm not in anyway suggesting divorce should never be done. But standing together in challenging times is part of a relationship, which is what many are forgetting. The bar for what's abusive, toxic or narcissistic is so low.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:36 AM
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I grew up in a very emotional household. My parents are happy they didn't divorce, and so am I. Toxic is a culture which thinks the main goal of life is happiness, it isn't, living a full life with responsibilities and enjoying the happy times and being resilient in the challenging times is the real goal. You'll today see everyone call every second person toxic, abusive, narcissistic - it lowers the bar so much and puts it with real cases of abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:32 AM
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How would "doing it right" look to you? Not quiting because you think "I deserve to be happy". And what about the ones that aren't? What is your solutions for failed and fundamentally unhappy relationships that do not have any abuse or infidelity? Do you think they should just be forced to stay together? I didn't say that. This is a culture we have, which needs to change. The value put on personal happiness is too lopsided to the realities of how one should handle challenges in life (including i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:29 AM
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I agree, that inquiry is a good way to go. Answering the first, I can say my parents are happy they stuck together. The thing about life is challenging times can even last decades. The sad part is relationships are seen today from an angle of personal happiness solely, and not from a point of real love (the type that's tested in difficult times). And we need to encourage a culture of real love, genuine love, where people actually care for one another. The bar for a partner being abusive, narciss…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:26 AM
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Regardless, all cultures have a similar thought or sentiment surrounding marriage. It's for life, even through the difficult times (even if that difficult time may last a decade or more). I don't think people should be in abusive relationships like violence or infidelity, but there are far too many initiating divorces because they can't adult up and face challenging times - that's part of life, not easy escapes. People always have the option to not at all get married also of course if they're no…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:21 AM
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Consensus. And I think such groups will be good to set a standard on it before couples face challenges like an island.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:18 AM
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Some of those are definitely valid reasons. But the point is the ease of it has made it more common. It would be better if those people don't even get married tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:17 AM
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If they do it right, it will. I don't think all cases of divorce are frivolous, but many are. Adults have not got the skills to talk and understand each other, that's why. Do you think the vows people take mean anything? Shouldn't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:13 AM
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If they've sincerely tried they can still stick together as long as the relationship is not abusive. The thing is leaping from branch to branch in search of happiness, while abandoning responsibilities, has become a norm in this world. And I think that we need to reevaluate. What's the point of vows anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:11 AM
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So if challenging times come that affect your happiness, your answer is to avoid those times because you're not happy? Think of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:09 AM
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I have mentioned cases of violence or infidelity being real excuses, but not other more frivolous reasons. Hate is a choice in some ways, not saying anyone should put up with an abusive relationship, but distances that grow can be reignited. But because divorce is an easy option for some, they marry and divorce without much thought - and that shouldn't be the culture, agreed?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:08 AM
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Do the vows mean anything then in your view? Also, happiness may not be there in challenging times. Say your husband lost a job, say he's looking but hasn't found anything in months, are you just going to leave because you can't happily choose marriage the next day? That's a self-serving view that disregards the bigger picture in my opinion. We all want happiness, obviously, but life comes with challenges too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:07 AM
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Many have. And selfish people do divorce for such reasons. When a culture encourages that selfish behavior, and treats personal happiness as the main goal, it can affect those kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:03 AM
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The idea isn't parents living together unhappily, but choosing to weather through challenging times. Unless the situation is extreme having to weather through those is important for personal growth, as well as the relationship. If my parents had divorced through all the fights, I wouldn't have had one parent growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:01 AM
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No, that life comes with ups and downs, and a good life is not in just having happiness, but in having responsibility of interpersonal relationships and challenging times.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 12:57 AM
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Is there a sense of responsibility you think is important in a marriage or just personal happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 12:56 AM
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So what's the point of the vows or of children? If we put so little value on marriage, does it have any meaning?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 12:55 AM
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And if those reasons are frivolous, more children will not know a full household growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 12:54 AM
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Love is when you care for a person deeply that their happiness/success is as important or even more important than your own. The way this is expressed to your children, to your parents, to your friends, to your s.o. are all different. In the context of dating, this is why love languages should match.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/24 05:21 AM
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The first half of your heading is the problem with society today.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 07:01 PM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 04:21 AM
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Where are you from if you don't mind sharing? Are you native to the country of Georgia?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 02:32 AM
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Yeah we all have an energy level and the mismatch can be hard to deal with. Thanks for sharing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 09:55 PM
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What are they. List them from your personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 09:54 PM
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Okay 😄, I assumed it's the red flags 🚩🫠😆
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 09:53 PM
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Tf 😳 Which organization is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 09:45 PM
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Has your experiences with more introverted men been better? The first one I guess he meant it like a joke but I can see how it must have felt to you also.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 09:42 PM
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Okay. Is there any reason you won't date?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 09:39 PM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 09:05 PM
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It's not about blame. Your opinion is surely how you see it and it's valid from one point of view. Now think of it this way - why would the dating scene be this badly affected?? Maybe you can list those red flags in the ways of thinking women have today? I've only dated women and I'll say this - women have lost trust in men, their integrity, goodness or character/intention, and they too have lost their role in society. Like recently I asked women what they see as their role, or what the female e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 09:03 PM
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It's all good, it's your experience/opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 08:50 PM
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Anything you've experienced particular to men you've dated (if you dated men)?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 08:47 PM
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I think if you put a hash it does that. You could edit it and make them asterisks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 08:43 PM
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The point is to understand both sides and a place to read the comments of the opposite sex and reflect. Some red flags are obvious ones (like the one you mentioned) but others may not be. It also helps to see which ones are most prevalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 08:42 PM
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You choose to move to a different culture. I've lived around the world and have global exposure. 50% divorces and broken homes is not American culture, so talk with reason. I criticize things in India too, if they don't work. When it comes to family values what I'm saying holds, it's regardless of being whatever nationality. America once had good family values, today it doesn't. It's time to recognize that. I work and have worked with a lot of young guys from India, I have not encountered your m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:20 PM
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You choose to move to a different culture. I've lived around the world and have global exposure. 50% divorces and broken homes is not American culture, so talk with reason. I criticize things in India too, if they don't work. When it comes to family values what I'm saying holds, it's regardless of being whatever nationality. America once had good family values, today it doesn't. It's time to recognize that. I work and have worked with a lot of young guys from India, I have not encountered your m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 11:13 PM
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You don't like it here. Go home. Your problems are solved. How many times have I heard an ignorant say Don't like it here, get out. My life and relations with people here are fantastic. The relations I see men and women have here are insane, hence my opinions. Learn something when you can, for once. An average person like me contributes more to this country than the likes of people asking us to get out of here. This is a country of immigrants, stop bullshitng yourself asking me to get out.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 08:46 PM
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Threads like this are an indication of the problem. Is it sensible or realistic for men and women to live separately? Stop attacking or trying to get one up on each other. 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 06:30 PM
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That's true but what I'm saying is it's a scale. US may be a patriarchy, but it's not as patriarchal as (say) Afghanistan where women are not allowed education, dressing or movement that men don't approve of.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 04:25 AM
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Possibly. But the most patriarchal societies today are in Muslim countries, and women don't get a say in many of those places - like Saudi Arabia. Some other places like Lebanon are a bit less patriarchal so what you say is true for some places.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 03:49 AM
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Your "opinion" is based on internet click bait. Do you think everyone from other places like China, India and all of Asia have experiences based on clickbait? We make it great here because we know what life is really about. Lower your pride and you'll be able to see that. What I said is from seeing couples from across different cultures - including my parents - both of whom where incredible people. The main problem here is the sense of personal and collective identity. Western women are not inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 01:27 AM
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Socio-economic class gives more option for both men and women above gender per se. I don't come from a patriarchal culture, but that's what I've seen in places that are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 12:55 AM
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Your "opinion" is based on internet click bait. Do you think everyone from other places like China, India and all of Asia have experiences based on clickbait? We make it great here because we know what life is really about. Lower your pride and you'll be able to see that. What I said is from seeing couples from across different cultures - including my parents - both of whom where incredible people. The main problem here is the sense of personal and collective identity. Western women are not inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 12:54 AM
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Men they want. Actual patriarchies I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:37 PM
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Correct. And there may be pockets of progressive communities in other places but I come from India and there are people (especially in rural areas, some even in towns) where they don't marry the partner they want always. It works for people who are well off because they have more options anyway, but not so much for people who aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:36 PM
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Yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:35 PM
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I think in patriarchy women don't get the power to choose, it's men who do. I think the correct method is to date with intention.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:46 AM
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Lol.. nice try visiting my profile. I'm predominantly talking about the US (where I currently live). The level to which men here are taken for granted is insane, I'm super glad I'm not from this culture - it's designed to break homes and leave children with trauma. Indian women have more shame in making false accusations because the charge of falsely accusing anyone carries a lot of weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:25 AM
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Lol.. nice try visiting my profile. I didn't grow up in India. India is one place where these are less. Because the charge of falsely accusing anyone carries a lot of weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 11:21 AM
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No I haven't, I'm saying I have seen these things with no one taking a stance. I'm a person who has a keen sense of right and wrong. In any event, I ask myself - would that have been right if roles were reversed? We don't punish wrongdoers in our society that's the sad part. You read this whole thing and assume falsely it's about me, it's not. It's about society and all of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 08:01 AM
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I think it's good to stand up for common challenges fellow men face, but having this collective male identity is a challenge because a lot of issues that we see today have to do with men - committing rape, domestic violence, crimes, abandoning fatherly responsibilities - so men who don't do these things can't have a collective identity with those men. Now a lot of things from the old (traditional) paradigm of LTR outdated. That's why I think men and women need a new paradigm on how to be. I star…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 07:57 AM
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I think it's good to stand up for common challenges fellow men face, but having this collective male identity is a challenge because a lot of issues that we see today have to do with men - committing rape, domestic violence, crimes, abandoning fatherly responsibilities - so men who don't do these things can't have a collective identity with those men. Now a lot of things from the old (traditional) paradigm of LTR outdated. That's why I think men and women need a new paradigm on how to be. I star…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 07:53 AM
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I think it's good to stand up for common challenges fellow men face, but having this collective male identity is a challenge because a lot of issues that we see today have to do with men - committing rape, domestic violence, crimes, abandoning fatherly responsibilities - so men who don't do these things can't have a collective identity with those men. Now a lot of things from the old (traditional) paradigm of LTR outdated. That's why I think men and women need a new paradigm on how to be. I star…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 07:50 AM
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I think it's good to stand up for common challenges fellow men face, but having this collective male identity is a challenge because a lot of issues that we see today have to do with men - committing rape, domestic violence, crimes, abandoning fatherly responsibilities - so I can't have a collective identity with such men unless they reform their ways because men who don't do these things can't relate to those men. Now a lot of things from the old paradigm are outdated. That's why I think men an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 07:40 AM
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I'm not in school. I can tell you horror stories from school.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 11:50 PM
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I know women do did those things in college and high school, and I know men who do the type of things you described. And in any case, I would strongly stand against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 11:36 PM
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What do you even mean? I'm stating my opinion with reason. Let me ask you something: do you personally know a woman who has accused a man (or men) of harassment or rape to try and get even or because she was upset a relationship didn't happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:55 AM
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And was who gets to be the team lead decided based on their gender? Or their experience and skillset?. Skillset but in a relationship people may agree on their way being the better way, that's what you don't understand. Corporate projects are not the same as running a loving home. You and your husband don't have kids because you never see the paradigm need and that's why a lot of the things you say apply in relationships but get impractical when you raise children. Also, women who earn more than…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:47 PM
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He's undergoing trial, paying huge sums in fines and has a conviction coming up on July 11th. Despite the power he has - because men are held accountable. Women can act as victims when they please and as the new-era woman who demands to be taken seriously when she wants. That's why I mentioned Alice Sebold - a woman who falsely accused a man of rape, who went on to write a book. Today even after we know she lied, the consequences are a slap on the wrist. Do you see the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:15 PM
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Do you think people assign roles to people on a team at work based on gender? Or based on experience and skillset?. Except it's not this. In an office or so also, there is a team lead or manager. The thing you're not getting - while it works in your relationship, a lot of is personality compatibility. Most men earn way more than women anyway, and women mostly desire that still - but there exists no modern ideal for how she should be. You think that is caused by egalitarian relationships that don…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 07:13 PM
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Yes, even a man of that level of power is held accountable, which was the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 02:45 PM
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I noticed you deleted your last comment to me so I will leave my reply here for you I didn't delete it, it's the same reply with grammatical changes. You can't handle certain cases privately based on their magnitude. What do you think should be done to Alice Sebold? The thing is you have an issue with someone policing women, but like the OP asks why wouldn't women not call it out themselves if it's unfair?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 02:44 PM
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Mensrights is a misogynistic sub. And that's the problem. When we speak of rights, we should think of people - men and women. My mention of Alice Sebold was for this : Why should any woman bother calling another women out when men are already taking it too far?. So tell me, if you knew a woman did what Alice Sebold did, would you not call out that woman? I'm pretty sure many women see these things - so why keep quiet? Let's make society better and call out evil wherever we see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:51 PM
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Mensrights is a misogynistic sub. And that's the problem. When we speak of rights, it's people. That's it. My mention of Alice Sebold was for this : Why should any woman bother calling another women out when men are already taking it too far?. So tell me, if you knew a woman who did a something you would call out a man for, would you not call out that woman? I'm pretty sure many women see these things - so why keep quiet? Let's make society better and call out evil wherever we see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:43 PM
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I just mentioned rape and false accusations of rape as an example. Men are answerable for things they do - you see where Donald Trump is today? In comparison, see the case of Alice Sebold. Wrongs are wrongs - stop feeling happy about it if a woman does it, it will come back and bite you. So I'm not talking about kissing anyone's ass, just behaving like adults and being accountable for actions - we can and should expect that of everyone imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 01:22 PM
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The dynamic can be “we work as a team, utilizing our individual strengths”.. This isn't the way it works when the earnings compare though. When your man starts making as much as you, would you guys turn the situation around? Also, the question isn't just about you - right now in society the ability to choose when to be a traditional woman and when to be a modern woman entirely rests on women and men have to adjust to that - and that's because there exists no paradigm for this age - the double st…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 11:14 AM
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Are you playing with semantics or genuine question? I'll answer anyway - make matters transparent and consensus will tell. Deception in a relationship is wrong, many of the wrongs that men do are legally covered because they're easy to recognize, but it's not the case with women - which are hard to recognize. An example: Rape. Actual rape is easy to recognize with footage, samples etc. Men do it and get punished. What's hard to recognize - false accusations of rape - if a woman didn't get her wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:58 AM
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You pay the bills for your husband? What's his role in general in the relationship? We have two adults, not just one, so we both do the adult stuff. You still haven’t explained why gender matters with any of these things. Are you saying only one of the genders can do “adult stuff”??. I'm not saying only one does the adult stuff. But there is a dynamic between men and women that starts with the courting phase, and eventually what children learn and pick up too. We don't have a new norm and that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:52 AM
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What do children learn then on their roles and expectations in a relationship? We don't have a new norm and that's exactly why women can conveniently say they're a traditional woman when it suits and they're a modern woman when it does - the norm is needed to fill in the ambiguity of the social standard in the new era, hence the question of the female equivalent of the gentleman - what's the expectation?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:50 AM
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You pay the bills for your husband? What's his role in general in the relationship? We have two adults, not just one, so we both do the adult stuff. You still haven’t explained why gender matters with any of these things. Are you saying only one of the genders can do “adult stuff”??. I'm not saying only one does the adult stuff. But there is a dynamic between men and women that starts with the courting phase, and eventually what children learn and pick up too - that's the role I'm talking about.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:47 AM
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Men over kill calling women out. Why should any woman bother calling another women out when men are already taking it too far? Why does it have to be gender based? "Men already taking it too far" -- what does that even have to do with women abetting each other's crimes? Let's expose and correct all wrongdoers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:43 AM
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That's not good of him. I'm sorry you have to go through that and hope it changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 03:21 AM
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Okay
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 02:29 AM
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They have is what I'm saying. I don't know who you're in touch with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 02:21 AM
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Definitely 💯
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 12:03 AM
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When I was dating, I was strictly egalitarian too. For example, I always paid for my own part of the date, because simply being a woman doesn't mean I should get free food. Okay, so that's not held by all women though. Guess it can be communicated before getting to know someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:59 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:56 PM
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Yeah like beliefs, that no one has to - it's more important to find someone compatible or if one has to, done through introspection.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:41 PM
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I never brought up mental health or finances so I’m not sure why you are. I'm saying they're good things to be clear on and so should the social expectation be, agreed?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:40 PM
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Correct. So it looks almost like a case by case thing but that has a problem because we're now teaching kids all sorts of ideas that worked for just us, and that's going to lead to a incoherency when it comes to social standards. That's why this question appears dumb to people who have just relationships but no kids because a relationship can be treated more flexibily than raising kids in a stable household under one roof.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:39 PM
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That often means ending more relationships rather than fighting a losing battle and being content with yourself when you aren’t partnered. Isn't that why you have so many broken families with single moms? What level of unhappiness do you think men are content with? I think it's about thinking beyond yourself, don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:36 PM
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not sure why men won’t just do that. Men won't? Every guy I know married, does household chores too. But that's just the point - the idea of the gentleman is he's sensitive, assertive, provides and everything, what's the female equivalent of it in today's world? Earlier (traditional) it was about women doing much more, today women can't even make good role models as mothers because mothering is beneath the career-driven woman. So what's the alternative working paradigm here supposed to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:35 PM
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I mean what would you teach kids about dating, courting and that sort of thing? Everyone here is like it just depends on the relationship, and sure that works if people can agree. But if people disagree, and they have no sense of responsibility to the relationship in contrast to just themselves, you won't see relationships happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:30 PM
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The thing is when we choose to be in a relationship, we do change our life in some way. It's an act of love, but there is a line where it shouldn't cross into complete self-denial. Think of it - when your parents had you, do you think their life didn't change? It did, they still did it because they wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:28 PM
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Point is if the relationship can break it doesn't in fact create a safe space because of that consequence. That being said, I agree people should be more open about their mental health, issues and financial standing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:26 PM
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My bad, noted, I read that as not just a provider. So coming back to this, it looks like the new paradigm is being 200% for both men and women, and that's probably why the burn out right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 08:54 PM
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Right but you brought up the protection part. I'm just asking a simple question - what's the new family, man/woman relationship paradigm? How do we treat gender roles when we're still going ahead with them somewhat and still doing away with them? Or in teaching kids what's the right way to be as they grow? The absence of a real alternative paradigm in the post-feminism era also allows women to fall on the traditional role anytime they wish or speak about independence when they feel like, and tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 08:47 PM
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Okay the question is more for dating and people intending LTR to start a family. If you're just dating, sure you can have intimate friendships, FWBs, and make it any way you want. It's when you are truly exclusive with someone or a parent that's when society is going ahead with your values and what you inculcate, everything else can be unstructured in any way and as long as it's mutually consensual it's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 08:42 PM
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I guess an ideal "modern woman" is a woman who has it all. She has a good career, she has a supportive and successful husband, she has wonderful kids, of course, she's beautiful, young and thin. The thing is you cannot have it all. I'm not asking about what she has, but rather what she's expected to do. Women want to date not a provider, but a partner, a friend and a lover. All in one. Which is a pretty hard task for a lot of men. Not super hard, it's doable. But that's where my question comes f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 08:38 PM
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You didn’t explain why gender was important in deciding the role each person would play? What was wrong about my answer?. Earlier gender roles existed. Today, they exist sometimes and don't exist in other times. There exists no social standard on it - so women pick on their convenience and men pick on their convenience. So who decides when and what? If you say it should be based on agreement inside a couple, what happens when there's a disagreement? And I'm not talking about doing math or playin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 08:30 PM
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You said not to use female-led and then said matriarchal, hence the question. Because I know the definitions, you're just using them anyway you want. Anyway, all that being said I guess the question applies more to dating and starting a family, which isn't in your case because you're in a LTR with your bf. Take care.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 08:24 PM
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I will repeat, since you’re accusing me of lying. Didn't. I'm saying many women do in dates. Please don't take that personally, not intended as an ad hominem discussion/debate here. 😄 In other words, you’re responding in bad faith and are assuming I’m a modern woman when I feel like it, then demand tradition when I feel like it. Okay, and this comes back to the question - let's say your man demands tradition when he feels like it and demands things to be egalitarian when he feels like it, would …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:55 PM
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Since you don't have kids I guess the question didn't relate to you personally. So what's the model of a family? What was it growing up? Did it work?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:51 PM
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As far as “protection”, I’m just pointing out the absurdity of men claiming they offer protection to women. They do nothing. More women than men live alone, and those women clearly don’t require protection. The men you've known so far do nothing? You mentioned you protect your bf because you wanted to state that you don't need protection but he does? The lack of this paradigm is why families are the same - your response and view of men - They do nothing - is sexist, you realize that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:50 PM
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Sure the guy can pay I guess that's one of the many questions.Should a guy pay in the current age? I certainly have in my dates but that being said I've also mostly matched with women who were at a lower income bracket so it made sense. The paradox being - women can fall anywhere on the traditional role being the correct one or the egalitarian one based on convenience, and it's lead to contradictory ideas of what should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:45 PM
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But this would lead to a situation where they basically end up paying child support or would lead back to broken families. Also, if someone were to dump his woman at the slightest of these hurdles, it wouldn't be a loving relationship, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:30 PM
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Okay egalitarian (is that the same as matriarchal?). Also, what you stated would be nice for a kid to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:28 PM
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So the question exists because when looking at LTR it leads to when one is correct to fall back on traditional roles or speak of egalitarian roles - instead of it being done merely at a convenience. So cases like where women would expect a man to foot a huge bill even if they earn well (falling on the traditional) - or in other words expect to be a traditional lady when it's convenient, and a modern day woman when it's convenient. And men do this too (their equivalent of it), that's why the ques…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:26 PM
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That's fine, but then what would you say to women who fall back on traditional roles when it it's convenient and speak of egalitarian positions when it is? I guess that's the paradox because there doesn't exist one right idea of it and it can be used anyway one pleases.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:20 PM
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Replied to this in another comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:14 PM
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I mean I think there shouldn’t be Okay. Does that leave questions on how a family is raised?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:12 PM
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What change should we see in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:08 PM
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I don't think you should play any role. Man or woman. We aren't in an occupation this is a relationship in your friend group do you have a designated role you have to play or do you just enjoy your time with friends?. The equivalence is false. The relations in a friend group are nowhere as intimate or close to space like getting to know someone for a LTR. And I'm not asking for myself, I'm asking what women see their role as in the current age. So when it comes to dating, when it comes to the fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:07 PM
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Okay, I think you've had a smooth relationship but if we were to consider the whole circle of having a family - let's say a couple had kids, how would it appy in your opinion? Because in that case, the kids would be in a world lead by men but a house led by their mother. Since you don't have kids it doesn't apply to you - but how would it apply in cases a couple like yours did?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 06:00 PM
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And if there is a possibility it would change negatively, can there be a really safe space there?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:55 PM
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Great thoughts there. So how many working women share these sentiments you've said? I guess that's really the topic here -- because the era changed, women's roles changed, but the idea of how a relationship should be, or how dates should be didn't or it's murky.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:54 PM
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Those are some great thoughts, and quite true. Sad for me I’m the HL in mine and wish he’d do this for me. So how has he reacted if you tell him you'd like him to?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:49 PM
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No for women. In the current-age it's women's role that changed drastically and the adjustment from traditional to egalitarian happened. But there isn't a set idea on how this paradigm should work in dating for working women, what that expectation should be from them. In your relationship (if you are in one with man), what do you think would make you the ideal woman for him? What role(s) do you think you should do to better the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:45 PM
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That's a great opinion. So once in a relationship, do you see any typical relationship paradigm that men and women should start off with in this current-age/post-feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:39 PM
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That's a great opinion. So once in a relationship, do you see any typical relationship paradigm that men and women should start off with in this current-age/post-feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:39 PM
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So relationships are breaking because men don't make enough, is what you're saying? I'm not sure if that's largely the case - so why would you date a man with no money? Wouldn't a woman get a sense of how much he makes while they date?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:35 PM
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I think society has a problem with how women should act, as there's the expectation of traditional stereotypical women qualities, but if you want to be taken seriously in a lot of careers and competitive activities, you can't act that way. It's something I think society is still yet to resolve. I think this paragraph sums it up well. So, how do you think we start resolving that? - If you have an opinion on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:32 PM
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So coming to the question: what would you say is the current-age paradigm for a relationship then? Does an alternative one even exist or is it just on a case by case basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:17 PM
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Yes that's how two healthy people should be - happy when single, happier when in a relationship. The paradoxical part is since there doesn't seem to be a nailed out alternative paradigm on how a relationship should be, it's hard to say when one should assume a traditional position and when they should assume the egalitarian position. And I get that once you know someone well enough, these things take the form of what works, but because this paradigm doesn't exist for the current age, it leads to…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:15 PM
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This is true when you get to know someone and the relationship organically moves to what works best. So would your answer be that there exists no good current-age paradigm for gender roles? It should all be seen on a case basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:08 PM
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Besides half the chores? From everything you've described it looks like you do the lion's share of things - what's his contribution? Also, why does your man need protection coming from you? Do you see your relationship as being the correct/ideal paradigm of how men and women should be in the current-age? The question is the current-age paradigm for a lady and what's that like.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:04 PM
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So that's a shift, and how do you see this playing out on his position as a dad for the kids? Or in conflict between you too? And would you say your higher earnings and his ADHD are key factors for to it being a female-led relationship? How does this affect sexual intimacy - do you initiate it more?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:01 PM
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So that's a shift, and how do you see this playing out on his position as a dad for the kids? Or in conflict between you too? And would you say your higher earnings and his ADHD are key factors for to it being a female-led relationship? How does this affect sexual intimacy - do you initiate it more?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 05:00 PM
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So that's a shift, and how do you see this playing out on his position as a dad for the kids? Or in conflict between you too? And would you say your higher earnings and his ADHD are key factors for to it being a female-led relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 04:58 PM
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Okay great answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 04:52 PM
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Personally I'd say it should be personal choice, and when it comes down to it it is. Yeah so it looks like in practice many are still following gender norms and that doesn't really work for working women, it's unfair obviously. But I guess like most answers here - there doesn't seem to be an alternative paradigm either and the answers are mostly do what works for you .
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 04:51 PM
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Yeah, that's a good line there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 04:48 PM
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Valid points about relationships in general. Don't force yourself to be compatible with someone who may be incompatible with you. The key is to find someone you can be authentic around and be vulnerable around. So let's say you have a quarrel with your man - when is it deciding this isn't for me as opposed to I need to work on myself in this relationship? My question is also about the role of you (a woman) in a relationship in particular, the things you've said are very general and apply to both…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 04:46 PM
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Okay, so you guys have essentially swapped gender roles then, would that be correct? A lot of answers here are do what works for you. Does that mean there is no new paradigm or it's better to not have one? Like in your case, would you say this is ideally how all current day relationships should be?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 04:33 PM
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So the ideal of a relationship for women in this era is being single? I'm looking for what works for societies - if all women were single, so would the men - the whole idea of family collapses.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 04:21 PM
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I guess in a broad sense, I'm trying to understand views on what the current-age lady is ideally to be like. Because a lot of ideas of what it means to be a gentleman are still unchanged (largely). But it's definitely changed for ladies because the greatest change has been in women being able to do more for themselves - but it leaves a question on what to expect from the current-age lady in a relationship. So in your relationship what do you do that your partner couldn't do/doesn't like to that …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:54 AM
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Right, and that's true because no two women (or people) are the same. But I guess the thing I'm wanting to get a perspective on - a lot of ideas of being a gentleman are still relevant or would be welcome. Now the ideas of being a lady are outdated because they were made in a different type of society - not the one we have today with the role of women. So what's the new equivalency of the woman counterpart of a gentleman? Or the new post-feminism lady?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:45 AM
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So would you say there are no gender roles in today's day and age? Because I think there exists many to be a gentleman, and most of them are considered quite relevant even today. Now, with the lady expectation - the entirety would be unfair in this era because women have moved out of those gender roles and many of those were made under patriarchal norms. So the question is: in today's age, what's it mean to be the female equivalent of a gentleman?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:40 AM
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I'm talking about a relationship. If you have a man, what role do you see yourself as having to do so as to be the best version of a woman for him?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:35 AM
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I guess you're saying expectations on gender roles don't exist and it's more of do whatever on can, is that accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:33 AM
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Okay, that's great to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:25 AM
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You can want a man who gets things done and is competent, while still wanting independence and autonomy. So the first thing, what's the sense of independence you think about in a relationship? When I mentioned the above it's on these lines -- women prefer men who are more accomplished than them and make more money as well, would you agree they do broadly speaking?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:24 AM
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So what do you think women should do in a relationship specifically is the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 08:22 AM
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So those are great things to have in general. But what are some things particularly on the part of women you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 08:21 AM
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So to what degree would you put yourself first or your man first?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 08:21 AM
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So that's a good thing to have in general. What are some things on the part of women you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 08:20 AM
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If your mental health is mostly based on affection from women, you're going to be at that mercy. The idea of a relationship isn't that it should bring you happiness, you are responsible for your happiness, but certainly a good relationship can make two people happier.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 08:44 PM
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The bare minimum is what you're asking I guess. I think that's common - attraction, affectionate, does their part.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 03:28 PM
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I think his question is more on lines of as a woman, what do you see are your roles towards that perfect man or do you think you meet the level of attractiveness and overall personality to be with said man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 02:47 PM
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Why do you have to jump through hoops? Sometimes in life they come your way and you have to face them for the one you love, but that doesn't mean dealing with them intentionally testing you this way, if they choose to do so it means they don't love you. When you love someone, you love them. Stop playing mind games with people to see if they're worthy of you, because you certainly don't make yourself worthy of them by playing them that way. Be direct with your intentions and they should too. Make…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 12:09 AM
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A person who loves you will do it even if they see you making life difficult for them intentionally. But the fact that you would intentionally make him jump through hoops and make yourself unavailable shows how much you love him (or rather not love him). It's the intention of a person that is known. If having to meet them is intentionally made difficult because they want to make you jump through hoops as a test, it's known. Getting to know someone, spending quality time all that is obviously wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 05:24 PM
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If you want to be with someone, be with them because you love them. And if you love someone, you won't want them to jump through hoops.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:11 PM
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What people want together however is relevant and nobody wants a cheater as their partner. That's all I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 05:54 PM
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What people together however is relevant and nobody wants a cheater as their partner. That's all I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 05:36 PM
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But what you want is to strive for all people cooperating all of the time. Which is not going to happen. Yes, but society strives towards it. You take a bath, you know you'll get dirty again, but you take a bath anyway. Because if you gave it a free pass, it will get worse. So coming back to this -- cheating is looked down for a reason. (1) Would you want a girlfriend who cheats or one who doesn't? Obviously one who doesn't. (2) Would you want people to pay you real money or counterfeit money fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 04:52 PM
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Kids, no. Kids are learning. An adult is different and fully responsible for themselves. Depending on the severity of the lie, the friendship may break. If it's a small matter it won't but the intention here also is important. So let's say a friend swindled half your money. Or he screwed your girl behind you. You'd be okay with it and treating him as a true friend? I don't deal with lies in a relationship. To start with I don't lie to my partner. If find out my partner did, there would definitel…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 02:31 PM
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Kids, no. Kids are learning. An adult is different and fully responsible for themselves. Depending on the severity of it, the friendship may break. If it's a small matter it won't but the intention here also is important. So let's say a friend swindled half your money. Or he screwed your girl behind you. You'd be okay with it and treating him as a true friend?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 02:27 PM
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Are you able to read? I didn't agree with you. Non-cheating is the basis of all real friendships, relationships for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 02:06 PM
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I didn't say monogamy. I'm saying non-cheating, which is the basis of relationships, friendships and every real connection. So that means if anyone wants a non-monogamous/polyamorus relationship, let them have it - but be clear to your partner(s) about it and if your partner is not okay with it don't have a relationship with them - simple. The principle is trust, the basis of which is non-deception. Also, living with constant suspicion is a sad way to live. So we won't get a society without murd…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 01:48 PM
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Yeah I see this too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 01:27 PM
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The question is do you feel okay being cheated on? Or have your things stolen? Deception and cheating works and is a need. Works for whom? It actually doesn't work for society collectively. I'm in my 30s, not just out of school.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/24 12:04 PM
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So what's your logic? Yes thieves exist, and we need to put theft in its place where we find it. Same with cheaters. How is this a core mating strategy if it's looked down on?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 08:04 PM
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I get that deception exists in society, but it's about the expectation. Because what you're saying is something like Thieves exist, so stealing is okay. But is it okay? Stealing isn't okay, that's why we don't look nicely on people who do it. Same with cheating - yes, cheaters will exist, but it doesn't mean it's okay. I mean if someone wanted to have sex with multiple partners they don't need to commit to monogamy and then deceive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 07:10 PM
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If you think deception in a relationship is normal, what true security or affection can exist? I do agree monogamy hasn't been the norm or expectation always in human society, but not cheating has always been the expectation. Because deception in a relationship removes the sense of closeness or security in it. So, I strongly disagree with you that deception is a core mating strategy. But thanks for your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:34 PM
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You want to be able to deceive someone? What sort of a society or role model do we create? Because if people can't be monogamous, let them not. But why deceive someone (cheat)? And yes, I understand there is no non-cheating society, but we need a standard of how things ought to be, even if it's unrealistic to have everyone follow it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 06:16 PM
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So let's go by the non-cheating non-monogamous model of how things should be - how would society have families, be clear of STIs, STDs and make family bonds?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 05:56 PM
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All powerful men? Really saying no men commit? If that's the thing we need to question the whole idea of monogamy right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 02:52 PM
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And yet it was realistic once. A stable house is needed for the best development for kids. That model is dead today.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/24 11:55 AM
1

Do you think it's because of how the government treats marriage or divorce?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:00 PM
1

Good point. So what's stopping couples from actually calling it a marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 04:28 PM
0

Good point. I wonder what women here have to say about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 04:27 PM
3

So would you be okay being a traditional woman if he was a traditional man?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 01:31 PM
2

Wish you better luck, change the circle you're looking for him. I hope you find someone good.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:04 AM
2

Yeah I see what you mean. She could certainly be more sensitive to it because talking less of your brother in front of others is really of no value anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 06:04 AM
2

Give an instances of what happened if you can share.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:48 AM
2

So what happens then to the idea of family? Or if you have kids and people change and grow apart, that's saying those kids will grow with one parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:48 AM
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So what about the idea of a family? Is that not needed anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:47 AM
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I've noticed this too. Two of my guy friends don't have a Facebook after they got hitched and wouldn't tell me what's happened, their wives do and are the only ones who post pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:46 AM
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Okay, I understand. Have you been able to meet men who are better with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 05:44 AM
1

Right.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/24 04:33 AM
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Oops I retyped it and put another comment. But yes, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:36 AM
2

I think the price mentioned is very exaggerated but as a man, I agree a man should pay the first date. Also, I really would like to see a girl's real face, so going easy with the make up is a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:35 AM
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As a man, I agree. Also, I really would like to see a girl's real face, so going easy with the make up is a good idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/24 03:33 AM
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Because you think it's relevant to what I said, and I'm telling you it's not. If you find out I'm short, you'll have an answer to justify your stream of thinking. If you find out I'm talk, you'll again have an answer to justify your stream of thinking. That's why I'm not telling you. And it's irrelevant -- the problem today is men aren't even inspired enough, motivated enough, well put together enough that women would choose them so they fall for the convenience of money. When the money goes, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 04:00 AM
3

Make any speculation. It doesn't change what I said. If a woman chooses a man after she has everything in the world, that's love and that's what we should try to bring in the person we plan to live our lives with.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:48 AM
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Yes because my point is not relevant to a person's height or how they look.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:41 AM
2

Why does any of that matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 03:23 AM
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For goodness sake, let a woman be interested in you for more than your money. Let her want it from you because it's fun, because you are a secure and fun person to be with, a person of admirable qualities, because she finds you sexy -- work on that and we'll get out of this thinking that sex has to be driven by money.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/24 02:46 AM
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On one hand this "debate" seems to be about highlighting the prevalence of SA but it also provides no real actionable value because most decent men would rather have rapists accountable. The question is, do we live in a society where people are answerable? Imo we don't - because privacy and silence to prevent self-incrimination are above those.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 05:26 PM
1

Wow, so 16.44% That's quite the number.
/r/Divorce_Men12/10/22 06:29 PM
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She might be lesbian if she had a girl crush and those friends of her's felt she was too much. You think she could have these lesbian emotions bottled up? A private investigator or mutual friend might help solve the mystery. Did she initiate the separation? It looks like she might fall in this category and doesn't want to admit it because it would put the fault of the separation on her.
/r/Divorce_Men02/10/22 06:56 PM
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Looking for more responses!! Also please share if you found someone after that.
/r/Divorce_Men02/10/22 02:04 PM
1

Let's fight for the rights of everyone. To pick one, either men or women, leads to a biased view.
/r/MensRights31/12/21 03:55 AM
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I agree with each of those.
/r/MensRights31/12/21 02:07 AM
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Consider this scenario. Guy and girl have sex. Guy says I don't want this responsibility. Who should take this up now?
/r/MensRights31/12/21 01:52 AM
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Between men and women, women definitely have it worse. But we need to come to a better solution to these issues, that I agree.
/r/MensRights31/12/21 01:40 AM
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But this logic doesn't consider the reason for the separation. The question is who initiates separations more and why. Is it men or is it women, and why? Because by this logic, if a man doesn't want the responsibility of a child, he can walk away. And that's what we need to prevent for a better society. Current solution is unfair, but we need something that considers all scenarios and keeps everyone's interest in mind.
/r/MensRights31/12/21 01:37 AM
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Yes without regard for sex. So why have something as Men's rights? If we stand against the nonsense modern day Feminists are doing, we're creating a different head of the same hydra.
/r/MensRights31/12/21 01:02 AM
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So who should pay child support in your view?
/r/MensRights31/12/21 01:01 AM
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Men face more rape? More domestic violence? Sex trafficking isn't about voluntary prostitution, I'm strictly talking about forced. You see, women are not better off. The thing is we should talk about rights, we should talk about rape, but we've turned from a group of men who should be the real decision makers to something like whining. Because these issues shouldn't be seen as an extension of personal problems, at the root it's the fact that many men don't know how to live life because they've h…
/r/MensRights31/12/21 01:00 AM
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I'm with you on the child support being forced on men. What should we do to change that? I think men's rights is a great cause but we can't fight this the same way women are and that's because men are expected to step up and be the game changers and law makers. The United States is messed up because of all these silly feminism rules. And I think one subreddit here (Men's rights) will have one perspective while other ones like women's rights will have another.
/r/MensRights31/12/21 12:53 AM
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I think everyone today is too touchy and only feels for what they've experienced. We need to be bigger than that. And there's nothing more manly and stepping up to that.
/r/MensRights31/12/21 12:46 AM
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But these crimes are more widespread against women, that's why they have them that way.
/r/MensRights30/12/21 11:21 PM
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So how do we make the system fairer? It should be fair, I agree with that.
/r/MensRights30/12/21 11:19 PM
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Sex trafficking, domestic violence, rape. Don't women face more of these things?
/r/MensRights30/12/21 11:17 PM
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What laws do you think are unfair to men and what do you think should change?
/r/MensRights30/12/21 10:07 PM
1

So regarding all these points (especially #2) what do you think should change?
/r/MensRights30/12/21 10:07 PM
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What laws do you think are unfair to men and what would you change about them?
/r/MensRights30/12/21 10:06 PM
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So where do you see this issue starting? In what ways do you think laws should be changed to be fair to men as well?
/r/MensRights30/12/21 08:52 PM
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