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Today it doesn't go like that, people date and have sex and can decide if to continue it or not based on all sorts of things. This is definitely not the case for most people in the world. At best you're talking about a significant minority in urbanized areas of advanced nations. The question was about how men deceive women into having sex. What I described was and is one of the most common ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 10:29 PM
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It's basically a trope in every culture that men profess their commitment to women as part of courtship.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:37 PM
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What is hard to understand about it? Men want sex. Promising commitment can lead to sex. Therefore, men promise commitment either honestly or dishonestly in order to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:33 PM
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Risk is a function of many different variables, including: Inborn risk aversion. Financial and logistical repercussions of separating (loss of income, legal costs, childcare, etc) Ratio of your her market value to yours - the higher it is, the higher the risk Cultural factors like shame associated with being a spinster/divorced, etc. Rational-mindedness, or inversely the capacity or desire to act irrationally To say that simply being high value is insurance against risk is foolhardy. You need to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 09:26 PM
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People actually going overseas to find partners isn't too common overall, but a couple factors will significantly increase the likelihood of passport brotherhood: Being part of a marginalized minority. Racism is a factor in dating in the US, so going abroad might be seen as a way to escape the caste system. How much you value pure physical attraction over cultural affinity. Honestly if your goal is to find the most physically attractive woman possible, it's a no-brainer to look abroad unless you…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:44 PM
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My guess is that the most common manifestation of this would be men promising commitment when they really have no intention of following through on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:27 PM
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Also compensating for a lack of attraction will result in her leaving you for someone whose attraction is present. Nobody should expect unconditional attraction. Attraction based on looks is subject to the risk of looks fading. Attraction based on material success is subject to obvious risk. All attraction is subject to the risk of a better option becoming available. That's just life. Except it is. You need to pass a threshold just to even get to talk. The % of people who are so ugly nobody will…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 08:22 PM
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Tailors stock plenty of 42S tux jackets but I wouldn't say that it's easy sledding for short guys out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 06:26 PM
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If you think about a horse that's put out to stud, does nothing but fuck all day and never has a meta-cognitive thought in his life, this dude is the opposite of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:47 PM
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The world needs more of that, honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:42 PM
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I'd buy some soda, but he's cutting off sugar. Good call. Getting rid of soda for good is going to help a ton with your health goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:37 PM
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hell yeah dude, now that's a beautiful fusion
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:32 PM
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This makes no sense except in a universe with infinite time and resources. In one scenario you've destroying the value of time and energy invested by someone. In the other, you're not. If you accept that time and energy have value, one is clearly worse than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:29 PM
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How quickly does it usually take to prove otherwise to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:24 PM
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The point is that men can make up for looks with money, personality, humor, or any number of things. Looks are a nice to have, not a prerequisite. Anyone who would rather be an ugly man than an ugly woman is delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:21 PM
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Nice dude. I see some kimchi fried rice in your future
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:17 PM
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Today fat women date easily. They can get sex easily, but in most markets they're not securing commitment easily. There may be some outliers in heavily gender-skewed areas, but it's hyperbole to say fat women are cleaning up overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:15 PM
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Of course that could be due to other reasons but I didn't neglect the fact that the exes of all those guys have all been tiny asian girls around 4'11. If guys who are insecure about their height are flocking to these girls, is that really a loss for anyone? Dudes who have confidence generally have no issue dating tall women or even actively prefer them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:13 PM
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Seriously, completely lost me with the drive-by on rice. Dude needs to bring some furikake into his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 04:07 PM
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That doesn't refute the notion that women's bodies are judged to a different standard than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:33 AM
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Ah ok. Hope you get in a good place to get back into it soon. And I don’t know what a quality man is What if he was right in front of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:28 AM
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Not dating Do you think then that if you were shorter it would be easier to find your ideal person? I mean you would have more options probably, but you don't think most quality men like tall women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:22 AM
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I’m a runner so I’m pretty slim. I’m not both talk and built like a rugby player. I’m just tall. So basically you have the perfect body is what you're saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/23 01:14 AM
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Where do you work? I’m wound pretty tight from inhaling testosterone all day and would probably fight you. I’d lose, I’m pretty slim and not tough at all. But at this point I’d give it a shot and ride you to the ground. Best first date idea I've heard in a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 10:47 PM
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And you are the exception, not the rule. I get that. But I do think it's pretty polarized, i.e. some men really like short girls and some really like tall girls. Whereas for height in men some women really like tall guys and others are "ok" with short guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:43 PM
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I'd give it a shot. Huzzah! I dunno, maybe? We'd have to have common interests, experiences, and values. I'm pretty sure we've argued before on this sub lol. I think we're both stubborn in our convictions and get into the weeds of arguments. Could be something there?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 08:39 PM
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Will you go out with me? 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:31 PM
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That's fair, I definitely think there's less reason for tall women to settle than short men. The dilemma I imagine you would face is choosing between shorter guys who are really into you vs taller guys who may have more preference for shorter women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:20 PM
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For me, I've pretty much accepted I'm not going to be the ideal height for most women since I'm below the male average. If she likes everything about me except my height I'm OK with that. If I had to only go for women who idealized my height my dating pool would microscopic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 07:08 PM
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which is six-10 inches too tall for most men's preferences. Speaking for myself I'm more attracted to taller women, all other things equal. But my general assumption is that they prefer to date tall men. Society's standard for what a couple should look like height-wise is very ingrained and is a significant hurdle if you're going against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/23 06:57 PM
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1.2, which is what most western European countries are at, but above what the lowest Asian countries are at.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/23 02:16 AM
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There are tax incentives to have kids and they're quite generous in some countries, but it hasn't really changed much. I think the incentives would have to be massively scaled up to really do anything, and maybe that's where we're headed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 10:28 PM
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Population * fertility rate. It doesn't seem realistic It is already happening in many countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 10:26 PM
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Genes that currently make people choose to use contraception and not procreate to increase their own quality of life, will not be present to that large of a degree in future generations. This is assuming that people use contraception and pursue lives of leisure because of genetic predisposition. This is a doubtful premise when you consider how dramatically the birth rate has plummeted in places like South Korea in just a few generations - the genes haven't changed, it's the environment which has…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 10:25 PM
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Are you saying we should address the problems with the system or that the system itself inherently leads to low birth rates?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 10:03 PM
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"We"? It's a hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 09:59 PM
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All that does is slow the rate of population decline, not reverse it. Unless you think we're going to extend the avg lifespan by hundreds of years.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 09:59 PM
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Then why is the birthrate falling in every first world country?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 09:57 PM
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That does tend to be the case in places with low COL.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:24 AM
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If first world countries are that worried about birth rate, they would bend over backwards to support mothers and children whether they are married or not. Many countries are trying and doing much more at least than the US (a low bar), but so far nothing has been able to reverse the trend. Deadbeat dads wouldn’t be a thing. Men would embrace the chance to raise healthy happy children whether they share dna or not. No child would go hungry or fall through the cracks. Right to life folks would put…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:08 AM
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At some point, there will be enough resources or technology for the rate to rise again I agree that an abundance of resources may eventually create an economic incentive to procreate that would be strong enough to reverse the trend. How exactly would that play out, is what I'm wondering. Would women just agree to get paid a ton of money/other enticements to have kids? Would you see a class of women emerge that simply makes a career out of pumping out babies? Or would it still not be enough to ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 01:02 AM
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It's just math. At below replacement rate, every generation has fewer humans until you get to 0.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:54 AM
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I don’t think we need a replacement rate to survive. We do, unless we start growing humans in labs or transferring consciousness to robots.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:50 AM
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High COL is a factor for low fertility, but on a macro level it's modern lifestyles which are causing rates to decline. Even Mississippi has below replacement birth rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:49 AM
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Yes, so what are the implications for modern societies? Will they simply allow themselves to be replaced? Or come up with some other solution?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:30 AM
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That would take centuries, and no, i don’t think it will reach zero It would reach zero unless something changes. We’ll adapt and learn to live with less people Even sustaining a lower population requires a replacement rate of two per woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:28 AM
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Yes I was just using them as an example, the point is that societies with more traditional norms are reproducing faster and replacing modern populations.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:25 AM
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So you believe things will proceed unchanged until the population dwindles to zero?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/23 12:23 AM
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It's not ridiculous at all that babies' development is affected by the way they're treated. Yes, it's well established that positive stimuli helps their development. It is also well established that infant girls develop faster, on avg, than boys. You are saying that girls are given less attention. So less attention should = slower development for girls. But the opposite is true. So what is the argument you're trying to make here?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 10:33 PM
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This basically boils down to whether or not you like yourself. If the answer is yes, your ideal woman would have to be someone who likes you - otherwise they have at least one thing not in common with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 10:24 PM
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I would say that if your life revolves around dating you should re-evaluate your priorities, especially if you aren't naturally gifted at the dating game. Also happinness/confidence is not the only things you need to have dating success. Of course not, but at the end of the day you're still happy and confident either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:29 PM
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Again, the idea that a 1 year old's brain is reacting to societal gender norms is ridiculous. You'll be treated differently according to gender whether you accept that or not, even if you're literally a baby. If you are contending that girl babies receive less attention than boys that only supports the argument that they develop faster on average, in spite of receiving less attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 09:26 PM
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The # of % of matches you get is a decent proxy of your superficial attractiveness if you have a large enough sample size - granted, this can still vary a LOT based on location. I would agree it is not a definitive predictor of your dating outcomes. Think about trying to predict who will have the best athletic career based on pictures and bios - in theory this should be easier than predicting dating success, but we know that even with extensive video footage, advanced metrics, etc. people get th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:29 PM
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Plenty of dating markets do exist outside of OLD. Your "value" can be significantly different based on market conditions, just like any other product in any other market.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:22 PM
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Dudes 4 ft 2, I'll give him a pass on being bitter at life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 07:17 PM
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The point is that if you can do something you enjoy and get the added bonus of happiness/confidence which leads to better success in dating, you're getting a better ROI in terms of overall satisfaction than simply focusing all your energy on getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:23 PM
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A 1 year does not that they are a girl or a boy. They can't even recognize themselves in the mirror. The idea that they could somehow change how quickly their brain develops because they've internalized the idea that members of their gender must "adapt or get left behind" is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 06:17 PM
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Let's just be clear, 1 year olds are not internalizing societal ideas about gender and speeding up or slowing down their brain's development accordingly. There is a a gap, on average, in the early years. The extent to which societal reinforcement can widen or narrow that gap is debatable, but it exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/23 04:08 PM
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Happy to hear it, and agreed!
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 11:51 PM
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We just don't make boys grow up as quickly. Why would these cultural norms have become instilled in the first place? All societies have been incentivized to develop useful men and women. So is it that male brains have evolved to develop slower because there was some prehistoric advantage to that? Almost surely there is some element of both nature and nurture. Brains don't develop in a vacuum, but they also aren't blank slates. You can see significant observable gender differences in very young c…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 11:51 PM
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Physically maturing maybe Mentally as well. One of the reasons girls nowadays are doing much better than boys in school is because even as adolescents they are on average further ahead in development.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 10:59 PM
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It does seem to be a very tough road for modern women who want to fulfill their career potential and/or support a family, but also be a mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 10:54 PM
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It's said often that girls are more mature than boys Girls on average do mature faster than boys - that is a fact pretty well grounded in science. They're expected to stifle themselves, rein themselves in This applies to all children. Boys are basically browbeaten into suppressing their urge to explore physical space from a very young age so that they can become "civilized" adults. What I'm getting at is an adult expectation of sacrifice that reflects some kind of inflection in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 10:51 PM
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I would definitely say giving natural birth qualifies as "womanning up"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 10:45 PM
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To me the gender norm reinforcement in childhood is the stage setting for the future when you're expecting to become a true "man" or "lady". Imo "manning up" conjures the idea of giving up some of the leisures you may have been encouraged to do in youth, so just curious if that also applied to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 10:44 PM
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That sounds rough, hopefully you're able to break out of that cycle. this is common I feel like poc in general with mental health. Agreed. Growing up in Asian household for sure there's a huge stigma with mental health problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 10:39 PM
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I think also the manning up is very common idea for black women as well because of the strong black women stereotypes, idea black women can handle pain than other races of women. never ask for help, be independent, shut up & bear the pain, etc Is that black women internalize the expectation of doing this, or that they are explicitly told to do so?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 07:44 PM
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Agree that one should approach life goals as a means of real fulfillment and getting laid as a bonus. Better outcomes all around.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 06:39 PM
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If you're an average guy but are able to chart a reasonable trajectory of self-improvement you'll likely start reaping rewards in your 30s, is another way to put it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 06:12 PM
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https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/06/17/third-pound-burger-fractions/ https://www.goacta.org/2015/04/survey_half_of_americans_dont_know_when_the_civil_war_took_place/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeI4lzNv8ks
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 12:08 AM
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Here is a quote from Isaac Asimov: “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” That was written in 1980. Ask yourself if you think things have gotten better or worse since then.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 09:59 PM
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have you been here?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:55 PM
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I don't believe that working class = intellectually limited by any means, but I do think that if you live somewhere where the culture is anti-intellectual (i.e. the U.S) it's fair to say a large % of the masses are either uninteresting and/or aggressively ignorant. For me, if I want to avoid those types it does make sense to date women who are well-educated, since they may at least have had the curiosity and wherewithal to venture out of the American idiot bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 01:07 AM
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I feel like you are describing social venues and social events with different words for some reason? What? I'm saying that attraction is more circumstantial than some people realize and you're for some reason translating that into "go to social events with your friends." Seeking out favorable circumstances is something you should do. Leveraging your social circle is something you should do. Showering is something you should do. None of them are in conflict with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 12:39 AM
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When they’re settled/settling into a place - they’re not anywhere near as open. Someone who has been in the country for six months to a year is still likely way more open than someone who's grown up there. It’s one thing to spend a year in a country, it’s another to spend your entire life. At least in the US, a lot of people do come here either determined or open to staying. Though probably not as much as before, granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:26 PM
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this is the real reason why male bosses of fortune 500 companies only hire pretty female interns: they know about limerance and are using it to get that sweet young p*ssy. 100%. Having some impressionable girl witness you running shit, ordering around subordinates all day, getting sucked up to, is such a crazy advantage to have it's not even fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 11:18 PM
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If all that mattered was common interest we'd all just share Facebook links and be done with it. Physical space matters. Headspace matters. Unless you're meeting people in a lab-controlled environment and exchanging interests on index cards, there's a whole lot of environmental factors that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 10:48 PM
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Lol true story I commiserated with a girl once at the DMV who was taking her written test for like the 8th time. Probably could have gotten a date if I just offered to take the test for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 09:15 PM
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The downside is that not everyone is a good fit for a long term relationship when you meet traveling Well yeah, if your goal is to meet a spouse than a looking for one on a one-week trip might not be the best way. If you're looking to date and have fun, that's a different story. There are lots of people who are on more long term international stays, whether for work or school. These are the people you'd want to meet for more serious relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:07 PM
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It's a given that social proof helps. What also helps, a lot, is being in circumstances where people are receptive or influenced to meet someone new and take chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 07:05 PM
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Interesting. Is that because women are basically never attracted to anyone who they have any feelings of guilt toward?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 11:47 PM
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"Persistence pays off" is something I've heard from many women. Establishing rapport can take half an hour or it can take days or weeks. Certainly there are many cases where a woman was not very interested initially in a guy, but he grew on her over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:31 PM
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If they actually perceive that you are trying to guilt them then that is assuredly not a good thing. But imagine if they start from the expectation that they want to give you a chance in part because they feel guilty, and you wow them our of your own merit (unrelated to guilt).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:28 PM
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Do you think it is possible to have a scenario where someone goes on a date partially out of guilt, and then they become attracted to that person for reasons unrelated to guilt?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:27 PM
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I would agree that guilt is probably not great as an absolute first impression. But I do feel like it could be something that colors your interactions whether you address it directly or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 05:39 AM
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That's fair, but I'd still say someone feeling guilt towards me is still a more positive starting point than feeling hostility or apathy. Because along with guilt comes the desire to assuage it, so in a way they may be "rooting" for you to prove them wrong about your undesireability
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 05:36 AM
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We're talking about guilt, not shame. And if you're asking whether guilt has ever worked to some extent I'd say yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 05:33 AM
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Yeah I think if there's zero to work with it's not gonna make any difference. But if you're borderline or intriguing in some way, it's plausible that it could swing the balance in some situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 11:20 PM
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Good to know lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 11:18 PM
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What I'm saying is that they are potential gateways to attraction, not attractors themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 11:12 PM
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I would agree that it's difficult to grow attraction if your inherent traits are incompatible. But it is definitely true that attraction can grow over time. And if you have the luxury of spending a few hours with an individual, you're still much much more likely to grow attraction vs if they're just glancing at you in person or on an app.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 11:11 PM
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Has it worked yet? What do you mean by "worked"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 11:08 PM
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What do you mean by "negotiated"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 10:59 PM
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You might convince someone to go on a date with you that way That is something though. From there you can make attraction grow in other ways. Either way you're better off than not getting a date at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 10:58 PM
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If you're good looking and/or have charisma you can ask anyone out anytime.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 06:30 PM
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Who are you arguing with?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 06:09 PM
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Woman are probably more likely to compromise, due to societal norms and/or financial realities (women still make less on avg). There will never be an easy solution around childbirth for non-wealthy people in the US. Someone has to provide in the early years and it's in everyone's best interests if the mother has time off.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 06:02 PM
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The issue is that are conflicting incentives at every step on the road toward a healthy and balanced relationship. It starts with dating. In today's climate, everyone's competing for a high value mate but nobody wants to settle. So instead of building something sustainable over time, a lot of people just churning through dates until they they get too old or circumstance forces them to settle. Once you do find someone it becomes this game of grafting your lives and careers around each other. Inev…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 05:55 PM
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Paid rape lolololol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 04:57 AM
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It's not like they walk in the door and we start fucking. It usually starts with a date to feel each other out, and if things are clicking we proceed. Basically like any one night stand, which I promise you a ton of men are into.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 04:57 PM
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Won't somebody please think of the MORALS
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 04:55 PM
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To each his own. I have had the former and I'm not comparing it to casual fun sex. Both have their merits imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 04:55 PM
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Again, does not mean they can't enjoy themselves with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 02:03 AM
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Here's something that'll really blow your mind. I've had work where I've actually enjoyed it more because of the fact that I was paid! 🤯
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:59 AM
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As a freelancer I've had jobs I would've done for free but accepted $ because it was offered. Ask one to date without the exchange of money, gifts, or dinner. Some of them would say yes, but of course without the incentive it is more likely they would do other things that are more worth their time. This is just rational human behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:55 AM
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Again, meaningless distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:42 AM
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Keep in mind I'm mainly into Asian women lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:37 AM
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sure wouldn’t have sex with them for free. Why do you keep coming back to this? It's a meaningless distinction. If I'm going to choose between doing something I enjoy for free and doing it for money, of course I'll do it for $. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:32 AM
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There's a statistically significant % of women who look better at 30 than they do at 21. I don't even consider it a relevant threshold for comparing "old" vs "young" women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:26 AM
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Arguments are won and lost. This one was lost by you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:21 AM
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Will do. Let me know when you get your official L in the mail.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:18 AM
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😂 Keep digging. You're doing great!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:14 AM
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You have a literal escort in this thread saying she has a good time with some of her clients. Take the L and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 12:08 AM
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Robotic, going through the motions, mechanical. That's been my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:40 PM
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If that's facile for you, sure, make that claim. I can say then that I'm a barber if I got paid to cut hair once.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:40 PM
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I always pay for dates regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:39 PM
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Again, what does this have to do with paying for sex with middle class women who are paying 80K a year for college or 3K a month in rent?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 07:40 PM
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The prospect of $ doesn't automatically turn off human emotions. Is it more fake than normal dating? Sometimes, sometimes not. I have also met women on these sites I ended up dating normally for a bit just because we got along well. In that way it wasn't much different than a dating app, except the women are better looking and much less likely to ghost.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 07:29 PM
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These aren't professional sex workers in any case. There's a difference between someone doing something all day to the point of tedium vs doing it once in a while to make some extra dough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 07:20 PM
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I don't disagree. That's like saying the best food is home-cooked meals made with love. That doesn't mean I don't enjoy the occasional high-end dinner made with rare ingredients.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 07:11 PM
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They literally said artists hate their clients, which is obviously false. And it's funny to me that people feel the need to put sex in this other sacred category. Like dude it's 2023, women are liberated now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 07:10 PM
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That just basically means you either don't value the experience of chatting and having sex with beautiful women, or your ego is such that the idea she has an extra incentive to do so ruins it for you. Neither applies to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 07:08 PM
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This is a hilarious over-generalization, and again, you're using the wrong analogy. None of these women were doing this for a living - it's a side gig at best. I have a side job as an artist and I certainly do not hate my clients lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:55 PM
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Paying a woman just so that she can be in a starfish sex position for X amount of time just seems sad and pathetic tbh. That was my experience with escorts which is why I said it's a waste of time & $. With sugar dating, I would usually just invite them over to hang out and chat a bit. I don't mention sex directly. It's honestly fun for me to get to know people this way too, but I'm also naturally curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:53 PM
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I honestly don't give a shit. I'm secure enough that I don't need to be "wanted" or "craved" by anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:50 PM
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If you don't enjoy sex or talking to people, then yeah don't do it. If your ego is so large that you can't get over the possibility that someone has an extra incentive to talk to you, then yeah don't do it. Don't want to support organized crime or human trafficking What does this have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:49 PM
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Believe it or not, people don't automatically turn off their senses when $ enters the equation. And it's not even germane to use waiters as an analogy. These women were usually students or 9-5 workers who did sugar dating to make extra cash.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:47 PM
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It's always a tell when someone immediately labels them as sex workers. It may shock you, but someone can pay or be paid for something and still have a decent time. Rent is high. Women are resourceful. They also have options for paid arrangements, and will choose the one that is most amenable to them. Would they date me without $? No. Can they have a good time with me still? Yes. Make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:43 PM
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I am pretty cynical so it doesn't faze me too much. But yeah it does sort of solidify that you're paying for something you can't get normally. I just think of it as an experience I would not normally get, and if I'm ok with the price it would be irrational not to do it. I've never had any good experiences with escorts ngl. Maybe just my experience, but it's always been super robotic and cold.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:38 PM
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I get it though - if you're a top tier woman, you have literally unlimited options for interaction. That's why I literally feel zero discomfort paying her for her time. The fact that other men might feel squeamish about doing so is only an advantage for me. It's like you're getting VIP access before it becomes mainstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:35 PM
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Never said anything like that. I thought I was clear that there are trade-offs, but if you value experiencing something out of the ordinary it's worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:31 PM
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That's true, I was hung up about this myself for a while. But really, every man should embrace their strengths and their limitations. When you accept what your normal limitations are and the reality that $ can overcome them, it's a whole new world of possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:29 PM
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Using sugar dating sites isn't going to get you into any kind of legal trouble in the US
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:27 PM
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No, the woman doesn’t like you, no she doesn’t want you to kiss her, no she didn’t want you to go down on her. I've actually been surprised that I've been able to generate some unexpected chemistry on some of these paid encounters. People are people, just talking to someone in a novel environment generates excitement. I am sure a lot of these women never even talked to a guy like me for 5 min, and suddenly they're alone with me for a couple hours having an ok time - surprising things happen, I'l…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:25 PM
1

If you have the time and desire to train hours a day to build up your charisma and are motivated to do that, by all means go for it. But it's certainly not practical advice for the average person. Do something you enjoy and that plays to your strengths and use it to gain natural confidence and swagger. Win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 11:27 PM
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However everybody can act a certain way Not true. Acting like a jerk and having the charisma/confidence to pull it off isn't something the majority of people can do. You basically admitted it yourself. You're almost always better off playing to your strengths and gaining confidence and status that way. If have weak charisma and social skills but high quantitative IQ, you're better off focusing your energy on being an i-banker.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 11:17 PM
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I thought you said it was easy?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:53 PM
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You can get away with acting like an asshole if you have something going for you. If you're already struggling it's not gonna do shit, you'll just be disliked on top of being lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:48 PM
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The easiest way to "act better" is to have something to back it up. Otherwise the most likely outcome is you look like an asshole with nothing to show for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:39 PM
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What are you advocating? Pretending to be rich and desirable to scam women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:23 PM
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We're talking about the dating realm, where status is immensely important, are we not? Did you not acknowledge that women prefer men who make more money/are stronger, etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:15 PM
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Not following your logic here. Yes, women like men who have higher status and success, but what does that have do with how they want to be treated? Women will flock to a high status man who treats women as equals and ignore a low status man who lords it over them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 10:06 PM
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I find a higher % of young women physically attractive as I get older because youthfulness stands out more, but at the same time the attraction is more superficial less intense than before.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 09:01 PM
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It has some credence, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 12:34 AM
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Right, the other consideration here is that "bad boys" usually do well with women. My guess is that the following is true in terms of ratios: attractive women who like bad boys : bad boys > attractive women who like safe guys : safe guys And people tend to overindex on what attractive people think.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 10:49 PM
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Yes, but you would be unlikely to say the biggest factor in attraction for humans is not being a jaguar.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 10:45 PM
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There was a study done once that women in countries with worse healthcare tend to prefer more conventionally "masculine" men. Which is to say in a society where people already feel relatively safe they may actually be more likely to choose men who are less threatening rather than men who can fight off threats.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 09:05 PM
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Well you could say a woman is going to ultimately feel safest with a guy she spends time with, has common friends and background, and connects with emotionally. But if that's the case then it's really the aforementioned factors which are most important for attraction, and feeling safe is simply the end result.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 08:56 PM
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It's the top-rated comment on the post, which is why I assume it was must some credence. Most things are probably better in moderation, but this would indicate that this is the #1 factor (when applied moderation).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 08:51 PM
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I'm not going to comfortable alone and naked with a jaguar, but I don't think I'd say the biggest factor in attraction is not being a jaguar.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 08:50 PM
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Yeah that probably works to some degree nowadays
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 12:40 AM
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pretty sure everyone who wants to go to a top school needs to have a quite above average SAT The point is you have much less margin of error if you're Asian because your race is a detriment to your odds.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 11:19 PM
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Do you believe Japan is the only country in the world with misogyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 10:18 PM
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For second gens we're all pretty much in the same boat. Depends also on which subculture you identify with (hip-hop, preppy, FOB, etc). And the more willing/able you are to identify with your home country the better it is, since you're basically unlocking a 100000X pool of available women. Viets have it especially good there from what I've seen since most second gens can go back and live baller status. Hell even other Asian ethnicities go to Vietnam to poach their women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 09:02 PM
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It's such bullshit when I remember how others would just get like a 1200 on the SAT and a pat on the back. Meanwhile I was churning through practice test, prep courses, and when I got sick day of and only scored a 1350 my parents were pumping me up for the retake like I was the fucking Redeem Team looking to bring gold back. Harvard admins won't have to stock nearly as much Plan B in the campus clinic Lmao. Might as well cut that campus security budget too. Only crimes being committed on campus …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 08:56 PM
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Lol nice. Yellow Peril in the quad muthafuckas!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 08:30 PM
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Some do return to the motherland. If you're a second gen you're still going to be a foreigner to some extent. Best thing imo is to make $ and date Asian immigrant women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 08:28 PM
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Most countries in the world have a domestic violence problem. Most countries do not have dating trends like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 08:21 PM
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Honestly you just accept the grind. I long ago accepted that shit was going be harder for me because of my ethnic background. Want to survive in school? Learn to fight racist bullies. Want to get into college? Score 400 pts higher on the SAT than avg to make up for race-based admissions discrimination Want to get a succeed in business? Overcompensate because people assume you're not a leader Want to succeed in dating? basically make it your full time job to cultivate a persona that's the antithe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 08:13 PM
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If we are just going to dismiss each other's experiences with hate as "personal business" what's the point of even having this discussion? You seem intent on only addressing your own strawmen and ignoring an example of actual hate I'm explaining to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 05:10 PM
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People are saying horrifying shit should happen to me because I'm an Asian men paying for sex with white women. Why is that more acceptable in your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 08:44 PM
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If you ask for an example of a racist comment and I provided it? Do you have any thoughts on that or do you want to continue to gloss over it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:36 PM
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No thoughts on racism?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:26 PM
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The only thing I really have an issue with is that this encourages hate. If it was just jokes it wouldn't be a big deal to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:09 PM
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So anytime someone makes a "dumb" statement it's cool to make hateful and racist comments? The guy telling me I should be castrated is kosher for the discourse?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:07 PM
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No I'm trying to make "let's not make hateful and racist comments" happen. You're the one making this about R. Kelly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:06 PM
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no worries, probably better off in the ether anyway lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 01:12 AM
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It was labeled something to the effect of “dumb thot gets owned” And it's of course people thinking they "owned" you when it's really them retreating to a circlejerk-safe space where they feel sure they won't get embarrassed or called on their childish shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 12:53 AM
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Amen
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 12:22 AM
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So a few people are saying it's gross. What % is OK to you? If it was 53% snark and 47% outrage, does that make meet your requirements for statistical significance for outrage? How about 51/49? Or it's ok for you to just admit you're wrong, I'm not keeping score here. It's funny because in some of the other threads they're like "oh this person should get help" or "he needs therapy". But when it's an asian dude fucking white girls apparently it's ok when people are cracking racist jokes and sayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 12:20 AM
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I honestly don't even know which part is "revolting". The part where adults agree to exchange $ for consensual sex? The interracial aspect? Wish they'd be more specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 12:15 AM
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yeah it's all dumb, just was caught off guard from getting a first hand glimpse of this strange ritual
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 12:12 AM
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Can you point them out? https://twitter.com/michaelinvenice/status/1669640414599729153 An inevitable comment given whenever an Asian guy is mentioned just so you know. No, people are not required to wring their hands for pedophiles and rapists because they have a medical condition. There's no in between wringing your hands and mocking a dying person? This is exactly the kind of toxic polarized mentality I'm talking about. It's like people have been so conditioned by media narratives they literal…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 12:10 AM
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It discourages carefully and slowly reading out your opponent's entire opinion, and encourages showing how smart your one-liners are to your adoring fans, who then go and dog-pile your opponent I just find this whole trend really gross. And you could argue it disincentives critical thinking, which obv isn't great for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 12:01 AM
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They aren't offended Lol did you even read the responses? Here are some quotes verbatim: "Hopefully this clown never procreates." "Hurry it up @elonmusk, I don't want to live on this planet any longer." [🤣] "Guys like this make me sick" "This is absolutely revolting" Should I keep going? They aren't even arguing Yeah I don't think generally there's much arguing during circle jerks
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 12:00 AM
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Are you serious? Being a single man is fucking awesome. You can do what you want, eat what you want, fuck who you want, and have your solitude if you need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 07:28 PM
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Yeah I get that. But on another note, I think when you make it your business to call out true scumbags like R. Kelly along in the same vein as random internet shitposters you're inadvertently (or maybe intentionally) stoking outrage flames. Like I was a little taken about at the vitriol directed at my post, but it makes more sense if are just lumping me in with a broad category that include R. Kelly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 07:11 PM
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You're obligated to save them for free if you can. 😂 How little do you think of these women that you think I have to "save" them? Or it's my responsibility to solve the high cost of rent?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 07:38 PM
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No, trading anything under the threat of death is not a trade that's okay to make. So I should just die instead of accepting a trade that's perfectly acceptable to me? That makes zero sense. By your definition, nobody that's facing death is allowed to buy anything. I'd extend that also to extreme poverty, and usually prostitutes are financially or physically coerced. Yeah that has nothing to do with my situation. Nobody was being coerced.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 04:21 PM
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Women have practical reasons to be picky. They bear a far greater cost in child bearing and have a far smaller window of opportunity of peak attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 04:05 PM
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I used an extreme scenario to elicit a predictable kneejerk response. Here's why you're wrong. If the price of my sexual services is highly elastic and the price of my life is highly inelastic, why would I not drastically lower my asking price in this situation? I would likely even accept a lower amount. It would then be irrational of me not to take that offer. Of course she may be thinking she made out like a bandit, only having to pay $50K for the goods. That's fine. Commerce is not zero sum. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 04:03 PM
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Keep in mind like half the world's women are Asian, and they are decidedly pro light skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:51 AM
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If you're just looking at mediocre tier and below, then yes white dudes probably have it best from a total # of options standpoint. But anecdotally I have seen mediocre black dudes with some smoking hot women. I would still have more faith in the mediocre light skin black dude pulling an inexplicable stunner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:50 AM
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It probably not that high, but I assume the sample doesn’t include all women, just those in his age cohort in his country. Age is a relevant differentiating factor though. The fact that men are less likely to find older women attractive than vice versa is a valid point to make if you're arguing about which side is more picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:44 AM
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I mean if I needed $50K to pay off the mafia and some opportunist swooped in an offered me the $ in exchange for sex, is that some horrible exploitative act? I can take the $ for sex, die, or look for the $ elsewhere. At least I have 3 options instead of 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 12:02 AM
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Who's higher?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:27 PM
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idk, $10M?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:26 PM
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There's very little chance if you pulled 10 random women off the street you'd find 8 of them attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:47 PM
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I'd go as far as to say a lot of men barely even register unattractive women. So if a guy is at a social event with a roughly 50/50 split, except all the women are ugly, they're likely to come out saying "wow that was a sausagefest."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:43 PM
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Maybe if you're a prude. I don't see it as any different than buying art or woodwork from a struggling creator. Other than I don't get THAT excited about woodwork
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:31 PM
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It'd take a huge amount otherwise. Makes no difference to me. Yes, for most women in stable financial circumstances the price is far above what I'd be willing to pay. The point is there are more than enough women, at least where I live, who: A. Need financial help B. Are highly attractive C. Are willing to trade sex for a reasonable price
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 10:19 PM
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don’t expect anything from serious from the women who can’t be bought Lol funny thing is I did meet Asian girls, but it didn't feel right for me to use them for sex. A couple I did end up dating though. Glad you got a laugh though :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:48 PM
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Well almost anyone can be "bought" if the price is high enough. It just so happens that the price for this type of engagement is fairly reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:45 PM
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They're sex workers if you think anyone who's made money on a stock trade is a finance professional. They were everyday girls in college, waitresses, actresses, you name it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:42 PM
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agreed!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:40 PM
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still better than not having sex
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 09:40 PM
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