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You do understand that a salesman coming to you and repeatedly asking you for a sale was such a common tactic that we actually created laws for people to get out of these sales?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:48 PM
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Ok, so do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:18 AM
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No, this isn't remotely accurate and reeks of what people with no relationship experience think.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:58 AM
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What mixed signal is there about saying no to sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 11:25 PM
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Both. In both cases it's an opportunity to learn new things and honestly it's just cool to watch people do things they're really good at.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:16 PM
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I didn't try and load anything at all. I asked a simple question (that I've asked multiple times before with similar results) and all I get are replies of dudes trying to figure exact, specific scenarios where they can claim it's not coercion, which means they know it's coercion but still want to say yes anyway without seeming like a creep. It is fucking baffling to me. What's really interesting is I've reversed the genders and asked women, and the vast majority are able to answer immediately an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:07 PM
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Once again, dudes on this sub can never answer this question without trying to game it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:31 PM
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I think it's a great quote that dudes on Reddit only read the first half of because the second half is a rebuke of the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 03:05 AM
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BPers conceded the gym/physique point because it was too undeniable. No, that's simply bullshit. Nobody has ever seriously tried to argue appearance doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:58 PM
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No, you can leave them alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 08:37 PM
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Then they can come and find you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:19 PM
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Yes, and you wanted to start dissecting it, so here we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:04 PM
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I'm looking at the situation from outside Why is anyone asking after the first no?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:58 PM
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Except why not accept the first no?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:57 PM
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Why are you asking her at all after the first no?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:58 PM
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Yeah, that's what I thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:45 PM
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There's really not. It's a simple yes or no answer. Is your answer yes or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:40 PM
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No is no, yes is yes So if you ask a woman 9 times and she says no, and on the tenth time she finally says yes, you believe she is consenting? So far I asked this question bunch of times Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:40 PM
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I don't think you have understood the point of the question. Like every dude who answers this any time I ask it, there's always a hundred hypothetical to try and game the question. When you reverse the genders and ask wome, they almost never require any clarification. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:38 PM
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I mean, the answer is pretty clear to me; no, she is not really consenting. And if you reverse the genders, women generally do not require any clarification and overwhelmingly answer the same way. I'm curious why that's not the case for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:35 PM
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because y'all ain't trying to murk concept of consent to play some gotcha game, right? No, it's actually very straightforward. See, if you reverse the genders and ask women, they overwhelmingly give the same answer without needing any further clarification. So why do dudes on the sub always try to find a way around it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:31 PM
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Ok, let's try it a different way. If you ask a woman ten times to have sex, and she says no 9 times before finally saying yes, has she consented?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:26 PM
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I don't think I do. I find it fascinating that I've asked this question on multiple occasions and dudes here always try to game the question like it's some kind of gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:18 PM
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No, I think my question is quite clear, and the fact that so many guys on this sub always try to game the question really is the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:44 PM
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Yeah I don't think you understood the point of the exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:39 PM
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You asked for sex nine times and she was busy every single time and never once said "let's fuck at this time instead?"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:39 PM
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Well being present is literally one of the most basic requirements for any relationship, but I would suggest that your assessment of the other guy and of what women, especially this woman, wants in a relationship needs recalibration.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:12 PM
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Except red pill has quite a lot to say about how men are supposed to act in relationships as well. And even in the PUA community, the guys who claimed to be successful (press X to doubt) still hung around to help the unsuccessful guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:27 PM
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To which you said "yeah going to the gym will help, thats not redpill advice No, I said that in reply to "well red pill advice must have worked."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:26 PM
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A really good question for red pill and red pill adjacent men on this sub: If you ask a woman for sex 10 times and she gives you 9 nos and then 1 yes, did she consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:24 PM
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It started as a subgroup of PUA subculture. By my estimation, it started with a PUA doofus who called himself Tyler Durden, but somebody may be able to trace it further back than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:20 PM
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And yet the number of men in happy relationships coming back to tell other red pillers it works and to encourage them to stick with it is incredibly small compared to the number of red pillers who are trying to find dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:18 PM
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I did read it and I explained why I disagreed. That's how debate works.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:15 PM
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How does one "complete" a relationship other than breaking up or one of them dying? I'm saying these men succeeded in spite of red pill, not because of it. The reality is they were struggling with dating, which is a nearly universal experience, and then they met someone and realized everything red pill told them about dating and relationships was bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:41 PM
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Like yeah, going to the gym will help. That's not red pill advice. Everyone already knew that. Haven't you noticed how there are very few red pillers with girlfriends and even fewer who are married? Doesn't it seem strange that all these red pillers abandon this ideology the moment they get an actual relationship and not the hypothetical relationship red pill told them it would be?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:21 PM
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If og red pillers to be believed then Red Pill was a movement that focused on how men can get their shit together, and increase their changes of attracting women. It was personal responsibility movement, something that gave men assertiveness and guided them to improvement. Well at least it was supposed to be it. This is historical revisionism. I was reading red pill shit before it was even called red pill. It was always misogynistic woe is me garbage. It was always about hating women under a ven…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:51 PM
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There are men with whom women will sleep on a first date, and then there are men who women consider a red flag for expecting a peck on the cheek after a third. The fallacy is believe that women uniformly treat these men the same way. These are the sorts of comments that make it clear to other people that red pillers et al literally have no idea how dating works. and there are virgins who get accused of feeling entitled to women bodies for wanting to try it out once. Wanting to have sex is normal…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:57 AM
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Guys can get violent when a woman rejects him approaching. How much worse is it going to be if a woman approaches him and then rejects him?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:09 PM
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That is a meaningless statement that in no way relates to the discussion at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:59 AM
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they're kinda regurgitating the same logic lookism types have been saying all along: people over 30 are past-their-prime ghouls and people in their 20s would be wasting their "prime" if they dated them - its just camouflaged in concern trolling around safety and maturity. No, this is a flagrant lie. The issue is and always has been the significantly increased risk of manipulation and abuse due to their difference in experience and maturity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:54 AM
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Oh yeah, red pillers are embarrassment to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:39 PM
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This is just "if a woman cares at all about the finances of her partner, she's a gold digger." No, caring about the finances of your partner is a very rational, reasonable thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 05:37 PM
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not the whiny bitches calling themselves redpilled today I've been listening to red pillers since before they were called red pillers. They've always been this whiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 01:00 PM
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And the directive is "this is your head count to complete these jobs." Also, when y'all blather on about "high status men" getting all the women, you're talking about middle managers?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:15 AM
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With the exception of small companies, the owner generally does not decide who gets hired. I've worked for several companies and the only time the CEO or owner had any input on me getting hired was a company that had less than 50 people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 10:00 AM
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when really it's a problem with the ruling class. Like who?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:54 AM
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But the issue here is that every one of these points can be applied to how many men (especially men on this sub) view women on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:22 AM
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Absolutely, but she's very rightly pointing out that men on this sub routinely accept tiktoks and blog posts about Tinder "experiments" as evidence for how hard it is for men. So either it's all OK or none of it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:11 AM
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Ok, that's fine, but let's cut the horseshit of "women can get attention from a guy any time so therefore they shouldn't complain"? Like that's the real issue here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 12:07 AM
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That's why I said "red pill narrative."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:47 PM
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I thought the red pill narrative was that even "land whales" can easily get top 20% men. Is that no longer the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:37 PM
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Ok but like how? What examples do you have?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:58 PM
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Because you're just saying words and pretending like it's irrefutable truth. You have to explain how those things create a power dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:57 PM
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A man in Canada tried starting a men’s shelter after he was denied help as a male domestic abuse victim. Feminists relentlessly harassed him and lobbied the local government to deny him any funding. I completely forgot to call out this garbage. This is a total lie, Earl Silverman was never "relentlessly harassed" by feminists, his shelter was ignored by the mostly male government, and he explicitly named them in his suicide note, no mention of feminists. But that's inconvenient to the manosphere…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:56 PM
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Men have been bullied into silence by feminists who insist that any acknowledgment of men’s issues is misogyny Not only is that total bullshit, but even if it was true (it's not), so what? Some feminists get mad and you just give up? Why did you think social change would just be handed to you when every other group in history has had to fight for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:27 PM
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Because men have to actually care about men's issues. The problem right now is the biggest voice for men's issues is the manosphere and related groups, and they don't actually care about men's issues, they only care about attacking women and feminists. They will actively argue against solutions if it means they can keep bashing women and feminists. I've suggested that men who are sincerely interested in change check out groups like r/MensLib, but you'll inevitably see the responses to that here …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:24 PM
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That's meaningless. How are those things used to manipulate someone who doesn't have dating experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:37 AM
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The fact such women could easily manipulate a man with less romantic experience than an average teenager was a non-issue Manipulate how?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:32 AM
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It's a terrible analogy. "Why do you need to see the paperwork? I didn't steal the car!" Yes, if you show up at my door demanding to see my car's paperwork, I am going to assume you're checking to see if I stole it. When a cop is pulls you over and asks to see your registration, he's checking if you're driving a stolen car. If I ask it of a person I'm buying from, it's because I need to paperwork to prove I didn't steal the car. Like what are you even talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:57 PM
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We're not talking about buying a car, we're talking about getting a paternity test. "I want a paternity test." "Why? I didn't cheat." What's your response to justify a paternity test without accusing her of cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 11:09 PM
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Nope, just pointing out the cognitive dissonance among red pillers. even if it's a pathetically biased study Exhibit A
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 05:02 PM
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If you understand the problem with making such generalizations from a survey, then you understand the problem with the OP, and you understand why I posted those links. If you don't understand, then you're just mad I'm pushing back against the prevailing red pill narratives that flood this sub. Unfortunately, a lot of red pillers and red pill adjacent men are so incredibly arrogant that they think they represent all men's views and anyone pushing back must be guilty of misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:51 PM
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No, you just don't like that I call out the rampant red pill bullshit on this sub. I hear day in and day out about how I supposedly hate men so much but when it comes time to actually point out where this is supposedly happening, it's crickets. Hell I had a guy yesterday tell me that since I hadn't recently complimented a man on Reddit, I must hate men. It's ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:33 PM
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And I'm point out the issues of using a survey to estimate what attitudes are towards male rape victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:08 PM
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I think the bigger question is why do you recognize the problem when I do it but not when OP does it? But I get the feeling you will never reflect on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 03:06 PM
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You can toss whatever you want. I'm just pointing out the extremely common tactic of red pillers et al suddenly turning into academic researchers and coming up with excuses to dismiss a study when they don't like what it says and blindly swallowing it when they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:21 AM
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I'm simply pointing out that if people are going to pick apart any study they don't agree with and dismiss it out of hand, then I'm going to do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:17 AM
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It's still insufficient sampling, and undergrads enrolled in the course have a large self selection bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 02:15 AM
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34978934/ The link above only has 372 from the 2019 sample and 172 from the 1984 sample. No questions were provided to check for biasing in the data collection nor does it give any parameters for the sampling selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:13 AM
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Yup. Dudes here have argued on multiple occasions that a woman who dates a man who is taller than her is hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 01:08 AM
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95% of men between 18-34 admitting to using sexual coercion as long as you don't call it sexual coercion. 32% of college age men say they would rape someone as long as you don't call it rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:53 AM
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No, they don't really want that either. I remember a woman posting that she was frustrated that she was looking for something casual and guys literally could not stop sending her sexually explicit messages and photos the moment they matched. She said if any of those guys had even taken the effort to talk to her like a human she would have hooked up with them. The comments were full of dudes mocking her for expecting guys to bother getting to know her before demanding sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:54 PM
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With all due respect you have no clue. In your “hay day” the newest piece of technology was a blackberry. Bahahahaha sorry bud, I was using dating apps well after BlackBerries went under. But it's cute that you think it's SO different now when, in reality, red pill has been saying this same exact shit since before it was even called red pill. Hey if it's so old and out of touch, why do red pillers use a survey from 2009 to prove the 80/20 rule?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:46 PM
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To be fair, it's contemporary claims about gender are also wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:36 PM
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people have been talking constant shit about men as far back as I can remember. So we're just going off what we've heard some people saying? Because I can find some real stimulating comments from conservative voters if that's our sole basis for what each party believes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:14 PM
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Sure, just like I see how silly it is to argue a billionaire businessman who comes from generational wealth is "anti establishment."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:15 AM
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He's still establishment through and through, especially for jaded voters who believe the government is run by business interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 03:03 AM
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I didn't and explained why. Sorry if that's inconvenient to your narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:15 AM
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You didn't prove anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 01:11 AM
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Oh I have no idea. I don't keep an encyclopedia of my posts. I also couldn't find you a comment of me praising all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 12:27 AM
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No, you just arrogantly assume that criticism of men who subscribe to red pill brain rot must apply to all men. I'm sorry to tell you, red pill does not represent all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:43 PM
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That's not the question I asked. What is your source for your claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:21 PM
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Sorry, you don't get to ignore my question and then ask me to answer yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:12 PM
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I sure was. Can you show me when Biden tried to overthrow the government?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:10 PM
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Trump is a rich boy who bought his way into the White House. How is that not "establishment?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:58 PM
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This is such whitewashing bullshit. No, the flagrant corruption and shitting on Americans being dealt with now is not "both sides."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:57 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:55 PM
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To some, the reality hasn't really matched that expectation, putting housing and wages aside (which are another disappointment...), dating and family formation probably became less attainable than they expected I agree, I think this is a huge factor. What doesn't make sense is how that equates to going right. That's why I think some of these people become more receptive to political movements that promise a different explanation or different solutions. But that's the thing, they don't promise an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:17 PM
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Because women are not a hivemind. This is really a failure of red pillers et al to understand statistical data vs individual data points. A woman who goes against the "trend" is not a liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:08 PM
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I think it's interesting to explore exactly why there is this divide. When you talk to young women, they very often run down a list of policies and reasons why they support the left. When you ask young men why they lean right, it's usually some variation of "the left hates men." The only policy I've ever heard anyone specifically supporting is "Trump got rid of DEI," and they ignore that men continue to lag behind in employment and college enrollment (because DEI was never actually a problem). I…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:01 PM
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I don't think I've seen many progressives be outraged by Bonnie Blue. Clavicular has nothing to do with sex positivity or sexual autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:09 PM
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And demanding a paternity test is accusing your partner of having unprotected sex with another person, leading to her getting pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:35 PM
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Can't say for sure, but I've seen a hell of lot more complaints from men about 4B than I've heard from 4B women themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:39 PM
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No, this is a common sentiment among red pillers, but at no point did I suggest men are a monolith. It is interesting that you make this argument that men are not a monolith yet assume any criticism of specific red pillers must apply to all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:05 PM
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I didn't say men are a monolith, I specifically referred to the red pillers as described in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:55 PM
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It's just like how the "if she did it for an ex, she should do it for me" rule vanishes the moment it comes fucking him in the ass with a strap on. She needs to be kinky and open minded, but only the way he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:37 PM
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It's called the Madonna-whore complex. They want this mythical hypersexual freak who is only a hypersexual freak for them. Women (in their view) should be good little church girls until the alpha red piller comes along to unlock their sexuality, but only for him and only in the way he wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:12 PM
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That wasn't the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:03 PM
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Then you'd be fine simply testing the mother's DNA against the baby's.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:39 PM
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Oh ok, a rape accusation is simply acknowledging that there is a possibility of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:49 AM
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It's not a possibility. When she asks why you're getting a paternity test, that possibility vanishes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:54 AM
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This red pill nonsense rambling doesn't really answer the question though. If a destroyed relationship is enough for a woman falsely accused, why isn't enough for a man who is a victim of paternity fraud?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:07 AM
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I mean is that acceptable for women who commit paternity fraud? A destroyed relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:37 AM
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But why not get the cheap test first to even see if this is an issue? Why are we pretending like this is in anyway relevant to the endless discussions of paternity fraud?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:26 AM
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If you buy meals and clothes for your niece and it later turns out your niece isn't biologically related, have you been defrauded?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:23 AM
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Why would you get a court admissible parentage test just to see if there was a hospital swap?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:21 AM
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So then you are okay with false accusations of rape as long as it's not in court?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:20 AM
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So you're cool with any false accusations of rape as long as it's not in court?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:19 AM
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If he was concerned for a hospital swap then he could have just tested the mother's DNA. And the damage is clearly injury to her reputation and emotional suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:11 AM
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So you're still accusing her of paternity fraud. There's literally no other reason for him to seek a paternity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:16 AM
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I didn't make any "analogy." Rape is not the only thing you can falsely accuse someone of.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:59 AM
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That's still giving someone else the money. Your money is going to the child. There's no misapprehension about where it's going or what it's for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:28 AM
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You're slandering their reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:19 AM
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No, because I didn't willingly give that money. Unless you are accusing the child of robbing you, you willingly gave the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:18 AM
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You're not "voicing your concerns" by getting a test. You're accusing her of paternity fraud and if it turns out you are the father, then you have falsely accused her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:16 AM
-1

You don't get to create a separate fraud definition just for your personal pet issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:15 AM
1

Pay back for what? What damages has he suffered?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:14 AM
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I know my dad is 100 percent my dad but I still got a DNA test out of interest. So you suspected your mom of cheating. That's literally the only reason to get a paternity test. Saying it has to be "publicized" for it to damage her reputation is like saying a false rape accusation only damages his reputation if it gets reported.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:13 AM
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Nope, you would need to prove she knew that the putative father was not the father. "Uncertainty" is not enough for fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:04 AM
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I didn't say it was the same the same as accusing of adultery. But it is a very serious false accusation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:54 AM
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So now she needs to suffer living with her false accuser to protect her reputation?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:52 AM
0

Accusing someone of paternity fraud absolutely damages their reputation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:50 AM
0

But not all adultery leads to paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:38 AM
1

Asking for a paternity test is fabricating a specific incident. You're baselessly accusing someone of paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:36 AM
0

You have to explain what damage you've suffered. You've paid to raise a loving child? What damage?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:13 AM
3

Asking thr question is not the same as definitive proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:16 PM
-1

That's not the standard of fraud at all. She has to know that he's not the father.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:15 PM
1

That's not the standard of fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:23 PM
2

Would you feel the same way about false accusations that are never reported to the police?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:51 PM
6

You seem to just falsely accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a 1%er. Well, I'm cool with standardizing genetic testing that includes paternity for all children. That wasn't the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:50 PM
3

A loving child vs. having your reputation slandered and subjecting a child to an invasive medical procedure under false pretenses; which do you think ought to carry a codified punishment?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:47 PM
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People aren't going to wonder why they suddenly aren't living together?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:44 PM
4

No, that's patently ridiculous. If you are insecure enough to demand a paternity test, you can accept the consequences. Other men should not have to give plausible deniability to your paranoia.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:40 PM
1

You're conflating adultery with paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:39 PM
-1

Why? I didn't say they were equal severity.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:38 PM
2

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:37 PM
0

Is it really "good faith" though? Like look how discussions of paternity testing go, dudes here routinely argue it should be mandatory based on nothing at all, and openly admit the only thing stopping them from demanding it from a future partner is that she'll get mad and leave him. They have no reason to believe they aren't the father in their own hypotheticals, so how is it good faith to ask for a paternity test?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:36 PM
1

Yep. She can be quite certain it is his.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:34 PM
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The woman. Having her reputation slandered by false accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:33 PM
3

Sure but that's true of any false accusation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:31 PM
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I generally agree but I don't think that fits with many of this crowd who suggested pretty severe punishments for women who committed paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:45 PM
2

What punishment is done to a man who has been the "victim" of paternity fraud? He helped raise a child who loves him?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:44 PM
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The legal system generally doesn't punish honest mistakes, This has never been a standard for paternity fraud discussions, no matter how many times I've brought it up. It feels very odd to say it's ok now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:43 PM
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I mean, we can just handle it the way we've always handled it. But if we're gonna start doling out punishments for "paternity fraud," then we must also punish false accusers.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:42 PM
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*Falsely accusing someone of fraud And isn't that the most common suggestion for false accusers? That they should have to face whatever punishment someone actually convicted of the crime would face?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:40 PM
4

I didn't. I compared a false accusation of paternity fraud to paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:12 PM
3

That seems pretty lenient considering the punishments people were suggesting for paternity fraud.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 07:09 PM
5

I'm fascinated by these Schrodinger's women who will dump men on a whim because his eyebrows are too close together yet endure years or decades with men they're apparently not even attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:31 PM
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It depends. It's not an automatic dealbreaker by any means, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 01:18 AM
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And I know tons of average guys who get dates, sex, marriage etc. All this really proves is "Be attractive, don't be unattractive" is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:08 PM
1

I see guys talk about shit testing all the time like it's a regular thing but nobody can ever explain to me exactly what it is or what makes it a shit test.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:31 PM
3

How does antagonizing someone (which every single human being has done) relate to consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:35 PM
2

Because most men aren't in a red pill cult that tells them they have no hope if they aren't a top 20% man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:23 AM
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So dude asked for sex on the second date before the second date even happened, she said "not sure about that" and he sent her a voice message saying again that he wants sex on the second date. And the woman is wrong here? Gotta explain that one to me. And if we’re going for upfront consent, women’s feelings are going to have to get tossed out here Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:29 AM
1

Except he met his wife before he was a celebrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:56 AM
1

Nope. Even when accounting for education, industry, job title, hours worked, etc, women still consistently earn less.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:40 AM
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Nope, I read the whole thing. I felt it necessary to repeat it because you were making the bizarre argument that things he did after he met his wife are why he met his wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:38 PM
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Yep, I did. His breakout role (critically, it was an indie film nobody saw) was The Station Agent and he had a small role in Elf. Both were in 2003, after he had met his wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:18 PM
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They met in 2002, before anybody knew who he is. Any other ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:40 PM
1

They met in 2002, before anybody knew who he was. So much for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:39 PM
0

They met in 2002, before anybody knew who he was. So much for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:39 PM
1

Ok the same applies to Graham Platner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:31 PM
8

Peter Dinklage proves height doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:12 PM
3

Except these "consequences" only exist for women despite the fact both men and women make the same decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:54 PM
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No. I did Then you would know that the maternity penalty has always been part of the gender pay gap discussion. There's a reason he won the Nobel She, and there sure is. Because of her extensive research into the gender pay gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 03:21 PM
1

Ohhh so you never actually bothered to read anything about the pay gap. Like anything. At all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:48 PM
3

A pay gap that affects 60% of women is still a gender pay gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:47 PM
2

proving that the so-called "gender pay gap" is de facto a parenthood pay gap. Childless men and women have a very similar income, but the arrival of children brings a “sharp and persistent drop” in women’s earnings while having little effect on men How is this not a gender pay gap again?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:33 PM
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Not that anyone reads fucking profiles anyway. Actually they do but the fact that so many struggling men buy this bullshit is yet another brick in the "why am I still single' wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:22 PM
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Because it's a ridiculous argument. The entire point is that it's based in sexism. The same reason they don't pay women the same is the same reason they don't hire all women. Sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:01 PM
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r/agedlikemilk
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:54 PM
0

So...the pay gap exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:54 PM
4

And as we know, if something is illegal, it never happens again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 12:34 PM
8

And your claim is refuted by your own link.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:36 AM
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I'm saying your own link refutes your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:32 AM
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You didn't even read your own link. The strongest force by far in partner selection is similarity—in education, race, religion and physical attractiveness," That is, definitively, not hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:24 AM
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They ignore the misogynists and assholes who don't get laid, just like they ignore the short men who do. If it doesn't fit the conspiracy theory, it doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:23 AM
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Red pill is not remotely based on reality. 80/20, hypergamy, cock carousel, alpha widow, beta bucks, it's all looney tunes nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:14 AM
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But it's not how things play out. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:01 AM
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Women don't earn the same as men. Like anyway you want to slice it, we consistently see that same pattern over and over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:01 AM
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If you all stopped having sex with misogynists, you'd solve a lot of your own issues. Many women did stop having sex with misogynists, and those men adopted red pill conspiracy theories and overwhelmingly voted for Trump. So much for that idea. So why would he ever thinks he has to change? To be a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 10:56 AM
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It's not a sudden revelation. There's a difference between not wanting kids and a family and not wanting kids and a family right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 09:47 PM
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You're cherry picking the survey, the second two show attractive men are less likely than average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:50 PM
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I literally said there's basically no difference between attractive men and average men. That dispels the whole belief on Chads. Secondly, it shows the the difference between average men and ugly men to be small.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 07:39 PM
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This isn't the interpretation since the average looking men also suffered a reduced likelihood of entering a relationship compared to attractive men except in one model which didn't control for educational level, social origin and age Nope. The percent increase of very attractive is pretty much the same as average (it's actually lower in a few instances). but they might have to date down in terms of looks and/or suffer some occasional disrespect from the woman. You've provided nothing to back th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:50 PM
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What discussion is there? It all falls apart the moment you point out the alternative was Donald Trump. That's literally the only argument you need. Whatever legitimate concerns any voter may have had with Harris, it was worse with Trump. But hey, at least men don't have to fall in behind women, whatever the fuck that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:34 PM
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Which, of course, is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:31 PM
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7-10% less likely. That means in a group do 100 ugly men and 100 average men, ~92 ugly men will have a partner for ever 100 average partnered men. This also shows that there's not really a significant difference between average and very attractive men, which also dispels the who Chad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:29 PM
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To be fair, it also ignores actual reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:12 PM
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This means short/unattractive men can have a opportunity at a beautiful woman. So the problem isn't that short/unattractive men can't get dates at home, it's that they can't get the level of women they want. Basically the same thing they accuse women of when they complain about dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 06:07 PM
1

That was probably a question to ask before you started insulting me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:29 PM
1

Yep, and then you deliberately ignored the nuance that I was very careful to include in my statement, specifically because of how red pillers love to pretend that only the most literal interpretations of words count (but only when it's an argument they don't like).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:16 PM
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Actually I didn't say any of that. I very deliberately included nuance in my choice of words, which you've chosen to ignore to strawman what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:00 PM
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No, and no good faith interpretation of my comment could have possibly led you to that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 04:33 PM
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Because red pill has no legitimacy as an authority or governing body.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:56 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:34 PM
2

No, sorry. This is yet another manosphere conspiracy theory that has no bearing on reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 02:33 PM
1

No, that is not accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:37 PM
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Because women have historically relied on men for economic survival. Now that they are increasingly not required to, many women support other women who choose to exercise the freedom to stay single. It is not viewed as empowering for men because men do not view it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:36 PM
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now if you're just going to lie like this It's not a lie. It's actually an easily observed phenomenon and I've written several OPs with examples. MRAs were originally feminists, No, we're not going to play this game where you pretend that modern day MRAs have any connection with the pro-feminist MRAs in the 60s. nd only became anti-feminist after feminists opposed MRAs and kicked MRAs out of their movement for supporting gender equality No, this is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 05:13 AM
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Where did I say anything about black men?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:30 AM
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She did address their current issues as I already pointed out. I will also point out for the billionth time that Trump did not address any of their issues. But nobody ever wants to respond to that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:30 AM
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You mean the one describing Project 2025? Do you think it's a coincidence that 25 states have passed ID laws for porn sites? Aren't people having less sex than ever? Hmmm
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:41 PM
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Sure, but it's not a political issue. And we can dispense with "red pill is only about dating," because it's not. when you know literally nothing about any of this? I dunno how old you are, but I was reading red pill shit before it was called red pill. I promise I'm very well informed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:42 PM
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you're just too blue pilled to see what lies aren't working And they're apparently so devious that you are incapable of identifying a single one. Good thing nobody on the left is saying that Trump is Hitler or that Republicans are Nazis. Which candidate called Trump Hitler? Besides JD Vance, I mean. Are you too young to remember before the modern Red Pill shit when a lot of young men were just MRAs who wanted equality? I was reading red pill shit before it was even called red pill. And MRAs have…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 10:41 PM
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Is it only black boys that are falling behind in school? Nope. That's why it said "students" and not "only black male students and nobody else." The issue is that Harris didn't have a single reform plan that was directed at men as a group. And nobody can tell me what reform wasn't covered by her existing plan. Also nobody can tell me what reform Trump offered since he didn't mention men at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 09:48 PM
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Once again a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:37 PM
0

What exactly is the "bad position" and why is it bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:24 PM
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Lazy comments will claim that progressives blame men, but a quick look at the people who could even possibly be considered progressive idealogues like Bernie, AOC, and Jon Stewart, and you really have to herniate yourself to make it seem like they're blaming men, which is why they overwhelmingly rely on random Tiktoks and tweets to back up their claims, just like conservatives rely on isolated immigrant crime or a single trans swimmer winning one college event to blame. Already addressed this ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:10 PM
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Sorry, you don't get to ignore my question and then ask me to answer yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:40 PM
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Women get support largely from other women. Men largely do not support other men. Be the change you want to see. r/GuyCry is full of guys who need support.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:52 PM
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It's absolutely a moral issue. Being a beta cuck is disgusting to them. Why do you think they use it so often as an insult?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:41 PM
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Recognized by whom? Doctors, researchers, specialists, and other medical professionals who have far more knowledge and insight than you do. I’m not even sure that everyone who calls themselves a therapist is properly licensed in some way. So go see a licensed therapist. I'm not sure why that needed to be stated. A lot of men already do think that therapy is basically a “grift” since it is feminist-centric. Yep, because manosphere grifting only works when you can blame women and feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:21 PM
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Because you got your dick chopped Glad to see that manosphere misandry. Skyrocketing suicide rates, school programms, DEI stupidity? Mental health and education are both major left wing issues. DEI is a pathetic boogeyman. Trump axed all DEI (the only thing anyone can ever tell me that he did for men), and men are still lagging behind in unemployment and college enrollment. He did dismantle the department of education though. I'm sure that will be great for boys. Trying to interact with a lot of…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:36 PM
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So she excluded men but "just happened" to include men. And you don't understand why I say these men were just looking for an excuse to vote right. Are men issues ever raised by lefts What men's issues are ignored by the left? More importantly, what men's issues are ignored by the left and addressed by the right? You need to be sorry for something, blame them for something and so on No, this is a lie. I'm a white man who spends all their time in progressive circles. I've never been told I need t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:12 PM
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Or working men or student men/boys or men affected or needing medical treatment. What issues facing men aren't covered by those categories? You didn't address this deficiency in Trump in your previous comment either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:32 PM
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So that all you got from my text. Welp You intentionally ignored the categories I mentioned to try and falsely claim Harris excluded most men. You believe there is not truth in it, millions men who voted did. That doesn't make it true. You are welcome to make the argument that the perception is what matters, which is absolutely true, I'm just pointing out the perception is a self imposed fantasy with no basis in reality (and the irony that "red pillers" do this is not lost on me). men are evil M…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:00 PM
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They take whatever method is available Right here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:53 PM
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That's not an actual argument. That's "I'm just going to say you're wrong without ever explaining why."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:51 PM
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Then short men who aren't successful aren't failing because they're short. This logic goes both ways. ‘just treat women like humans and you’ll easily find someome bro No one has ever told you the only thing you need to do to be successful is treat women like humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:50 PM
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Nah, it's not, and you know it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:47 PM
1

And the goalposts move again.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:47 PM
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"Figure it out" is not mental health treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:46 PM
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No, workers and students are actually the vast majority of the population. What issue do men want addressed they doesn't fall into the listed categories? Trump didn't have a category for men either, why isn't that a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:45 PM
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Oh I don't care about that. If the manosphere wants to keep sticking their dick in an electrical socket to own the libs, it's not my job to stop them. "well the other side did exactly the same and no one said anything!" No, I actually said the other side does far far worse on nearly a daily basis, but men don't care because it's not a woman saying it. You did the exact same thing literally the comment after I pointed it out. I have never pretended the Democratic party is flawless. I just said "t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:41 PM
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Workers and students and people who need medical treatment are not minorities. A lot of left believe that the reason why they lost it's because men are bad, I didn't say anything about voters being "good" or "bad." I said this very specific subset of men made a false claim and created a double standard where they can feel persecuted by the left. There's no truth to it, it's just a bullshit rationalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:34 PM
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I literally just pointed out she didn't ignore men at all. Trump did ignored men and continues to ignore men, yet dudes here act like he's just the default choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:31 PM
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Didn't have to Google. You aren't the first person to try and challenge me on this. And you ignored why I brought it up in the first place, which is why you keep moving the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:24 PM
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And how do they propose people struggling with addiction quit? "Just stop" isn't mental health treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:22 PM
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2014 Isla Vista Shooting 2015 Umpqua Community College shooting 2018 Tallahassee shooting 2019 Dallas shooting 2021 Denver shooting 2021 Atlanta shooting 2023 Allen shooting Oh and we can add the 2026 Montreal shooting to that too. The world's richest red pill man is even more rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:15 PM
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I don't think I've ever heard red pillers propose any mental health treatment. They just moan about men's mental health and then tell men not to go to therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:14 PM
1

Please give me the red pill mental health treatment plan then.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:13 PM
0

Except it's not a few sample sizes. It's millions (billions?) or women. Do red pillers just lack common sense or what
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:12 PM
0

That's just splitting hairs. There's no way you can see the reaction to supposed "simp beta cucks" and claim there is no moral judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:09 AM
0

How is that not moralizing?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:41 AM
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That's total nonsense. Red pillers et al clearly consider it a bad thing to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:40 AM
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No, that definitely ignores the context and connotation of those words. It is not simply that a "simp" is pursuing an unsuccessful strategy, otherwise there'd be no need to call him a beta cuck as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:28 AM
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Why is calling a man "misogynistic" for failing to date unacceptable moralizing, but calling him a "beta simp cuck" isnt? Because one of these is definitely red pill coded, yet I never see it brought up in discussion of how unfairly unsuccessful men are supposedly treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:20 AM
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This is the same bullshit I heard during the election when Harris supposedly "excluded" men from her website, until I pointed out that her website included men in several categories, such as LGBTQ, people of color, worker's rights, students, and healthcare. Then the goalpost shifted that she didn't have a category just labeled men and I pointed out neither did Trump and I got told "this is why Trump won" and blocked. The left never discarded men. You were just looking for an excuse to vote right…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:11 AM
1

I was very familiar with Charlie Kirk before he died.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:10 AM
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Women being attracted to a small percentage of men != Women being attracted to the same small percentage of men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 04:10 AM
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100% agree. Fear, uncertainty, doubt, and anger grab you immediately. Nuanced reasoning about your preconceived notions of the world so not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:41 AM
2

Therapy is an actual recognized mental health treatment. Looksmaxxing is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:39 AM
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This is the same bullshit I heard during the election when Harris supposedly "excluded" men from her website, until I pointed out that her website included men in several categories, such as LGBTQ, people of color, worker's rights, students, and healthcare. Then the goalpost shifted that she didn't have a category just labeled men and I pointed out neither did Trump and I got told "this is why Trump won" and blocked. AOC unironically uses short man energy And this is exactly the double standard …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 03:37 AM
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This is just red pill confirmation bias. They ignore the assholes who aren't successful, just like they ignore the short guys who are. And let's be clear, nobody ever told them "all you have to do is be nice and be yourself." They heard "be yourself" (which means don't try to be someone you aren't) and decided that was all they needed. I get told at least once a week that I give such advice despite the fact I have never once said it. These guys are hearing what they want to hear. The right may l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:31 AM
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You said "severe" behavioral problems. Not every child who insults another child has a severe behavioral problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:21 AM
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I've rarely heard men blame billionaires for not being rich. I've frequently heard men blame billionaires for buying politicians who favor the wealthy and corporations over average people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:20 AM
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I think that is still confirmation bias, though. Why is "you're misogynistic" intolerable moralizing but "you're a simp beta cuck" isn't? The only time I've heard people point out lack of effort is when they literally haven't tried anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:19 AM
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Ok, and what about the boys who don't have severe behavioral problems and do these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:32 AM
0

Grifting?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:31 AM
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Are you basing an entire movement off one person? Does that mean I can do the same with the multiple mass shooters red pill has produced?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:07 AM
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Lazy comments will claim that progressives blame men, but a quick look at the people who could even possibly be considered progressive idealogues like Bernie, AOC, and Jon Stewart, and you really have to herniate yourself to make it seem like they're blaming men, which is why they overwhelmingly rely on random Tiktoks and tweets to back up their claims, just like conservatives rely on isolated immigrant crime or a single trans swimmer winning one college event to blame. I addressed that in the O…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:05 AM
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but they’re more likely to admit the blame isn’t solely on you. I agree with you, they overwhelmingly blame women, but this illustrates the problem with cognitive dissonance. Men claim they like red pill because it's "tough love" and tells men to take responsibility for themselves with "actionable" advice, but at the same time criticize progressives because it tells men their dating issues are their dating issues. You can't win. and most normal people aren’t always upfront that dating advice doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:02 AM
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sky high rates of singlehood, declining job prospects, dating app discrepancies, hypergamy, 80/20 Progressives have repeatedly addressed declining job prospects, the rest are not really political issues and some of them aren't even real (80/20 first and foremost). That's because those lies don't work in a progressive framework. is to point at the most successful men on earth and say "do these guys actually look happy to you?" Do red pillers look like the most successful men on earth to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:57 PM
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I think most normal people are very transparent that there is no advice that guarantees success. This is a very specific red pill claim and you can see the expectation from men who refute "blue pill" advice; it doesn't guarantee success so therefore it's worthless. And if you think any manosphere influencer is "unideological," that is pure delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:47 PM
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Yes, I am going to argue against the words you used. If you have a problem with that, you may be on the wrong sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:23 PM
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I wasn't saying those were manosphere influencers, I was just illustrating a comparable gap in political media personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:22 PM
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I wouldn't say progressives/blue pillers are impervious to grifters, it's just that it's hard to get people to empty their pockets when you blame billionaires and systemic dysfunction. It's just not as lucrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:46 PM
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I didn't say Trump was the sole example, I actually made it quite clear that non traditional values are quite common in Republicans..Trump is simply the most prominent. And the Catholic Church's track record on child rape is 100% an argument when they try to place themselves as a moral authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:27 PM
1

Ok, and what about the boys from perfectly nice homes that do these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:22 PM
0

But this is again mixing "what they say" with "what they do." Conservatives can talk about being the party of traditional family values all they want, we know they fuck just like everyone else. They literally elected a president who paid a porn star for sex while his wife was recovering from child birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:04 PM
1

So you don't have any examples, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:57 PM
1

Sure, I'm asking for examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:18 PM
1

Where are women murdering men for not being masculine enough I was pretty specific based on the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:10 PM
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Really? Where? Where are women murdering men for not being masculine enough, for instance?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:05 PM
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Ok. What's the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:44 PM
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I've read this three times and it sounds like you're arguing with three different people and pretending they're the same one? Slut shaming is in fact a reason some women don't do hook ups. There are other reasons as well. Some women do hook up despite these concerns. Women are not a monolith. I have no idea what you're talking about with the boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 05:34 PM
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Women need to acknowledge that men are sad that some women aren't attracted to them which enforces traditional masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:25 PM
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Is that not what's being said? The claim is traditional masculinity is bad for men and women are responsible for enforcing traditional masculinity and should change, right? How is that not what's being said?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 02:17 PM
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No, I don't think there's any meaningful conversation to be had about dictating to women who they're allowed to be attracted to, not to mention the extent to which it occurs is hugely exaggerated and, finally, the refusal to distinguish between masculine and traditionally masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:30 PM
2

There is absolutely femdom erotica.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:11 PM
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however, that standard of masculinity is also thorughly enforced by women through sexual selection. This is not taking accountability. This is placing blame on women. Traditional masculinity is overwhelmingly enforced by men. Like it's not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:10 PM
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It doesn't exclusively focus on the traditional option. There are so many bizarre variations like shape shifters, dragon riders, werewolves, ghosts, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:11 PM
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Boys and men harass, insult, use slurs, assault, and even murder boys/men who don't conform to traditional masculinity. Women just don't date them (this is a lie, but we can roll with it). And you think women take the share of blame here? Why can't men take accountability?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 12:08 PM
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If they want to remain single rather than compromise their standards, more power to them. Then quit demonizing women for complaining about the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:27 PM
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Ugly, short, poor men still get dates. Even today. Expressing reality is not gaslighting. Hope this helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:54 AM
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IQ and social skills do not correlate. The fact that you have to resort to disabled level IQs to make that argument proves that. You're also doing exactly what every single red piller does and believing that only quantity measures success. People with college degrees are more likely to be married and have a stable relationship. Your second link is about high schoolers and it goes on to describe that as a positive thing; it literally says lower IQs are a "risk factor." It never occurred to you th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:53 AM
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No, I'm simply asserting the existence of the number line.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:18 AM
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I hear day in and day out how there men are average men. It can't go both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:26 AM
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I think this sub thoroughly debunks the "men complain less" belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 11:36 PM
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Charisma is arguably the most powerful and influential trait someone can have. Good looks can get someone to sleep with you. Charisma can get a whole country to go to war for you. There is no cheat code that will allow you to get any woman on demand, even being hot. But charisma can absolutely pull partners who are way out of your league. Most guys with a sufficiently large friend group know at least one guy who is able to punch way above his weight class. Also I cannot possibly imagine being in…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:37 PM
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That's literally what dudes here are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:51 PM
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Women make those arguments all the time when they talk about how dating is hard for women. And red pillers et al love to demonize them for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:51 PM
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No, just evidence to back up your claim. But no worries, we both know you just made it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:40 PM
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Sure, let's see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:35 PM
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Great, then the same logic applies to women when red pillers bitch about how easy it is to get matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:34 PM
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Lol classic based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:18 PM
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The problem with this is, when men do the same and say things like "I'm actually attracted to women who don't wear makeup", women feel the need to tell men what they actually like No, it's almost always pointing out that men are typically clueless when it comes to identifying whether women are wearing makeup or not. Men frequently point out "naturally" beautiful women to show they don't like makeup, completely oblivious that those women are wearing makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:17 PM
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You have no numbers to back that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:12 PM
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Nope, they don't. I'm happy to accept that men with lots of likes don't have that many options just as I'm happy to accept that women with lots of likes don't have that many options. Are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:11 PM
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I do and I have already linked it in this thread. And I can link it again if you ask nicely because you've been rather rude for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:59 AM
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Sure, if you want to see them and are too lazy to find the link I've posted multiple times, you can ask me nicely since you're being rather rude for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:15 AM
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I don't think you read my post. This is not a man who had success. He in fact said "there's no point" and men in that thread and this one agreed, even though he had 70 women interested in him.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:59 AM
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I mean, if you want to argue he made it up, then that just reinforces my argument anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:56 AM
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post stats that you can get from Bumble
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:52 AM
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I didn't say they had 69 wives, I said they have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:51 AM
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Yes, you're making the same arguments women make when they refute that women have it so easy. If you accept those same arguments from women, great! If you don't, then you've got a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:51 AM
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Yes, this is very clearly red pill and I'm not going to be pulled into a tedious debate about what "real" red pill is when red pillers are in here day in, day out saying this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:11 AM
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*Bumble
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:10 AM
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Except the narrative is that Chads are already pumping and dumping the hottest women. Why would they pass up these top women for "land whales" who are so "disgusting" that men who have never even kissed a woman don't want them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:09 AM
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It's a common feature of conspiracy theory. Obvious contradictions and cognitive dissonance are always integrated into conspiracy theories. Remember, these men who cry about how they need sex and are so lonely and have no hope will go on long winded rants about how disgusting they find "land whales", yet also claim that Chads who can fuck gorgeous women day in and day out also bang these disgusting land whales too, so these women have inflated egos. It's clown logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:21 PM
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So like every other red pill term, it's so broad that it's just used to mean whatever you want it to mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:16 PM
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70 women is not "extremely slim."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:11 PM
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You're once again doing exactly what I said, where you act like the match rate is the only metric of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:08 PM
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TIL believing women and men is being a "white knight."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:01 PM
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Sure. https://np.reddit.com/r/Bumble/s/m5GAnK15Lt This guy who declares there's no point because he's 5'7" and Asian and only a 1% like rate from women. 70 likes from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:00 PM
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Except women say that's not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:12 PM
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They do. That's literally the entire point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:08 PM
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And why are those valid excuses for men but not women?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:00 PM
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It's not an anecdote. It's from Bumble, which is why it can actually be trusted. And you're doing exactly what I said, believing the only metric of success is match rate, even when you have dozens or hundreds of women interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:56 PM
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These are the same things that women say when men are screaming about how easy women have it, and women are constantly demonized for saying these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:49 PM
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this is an established truth That you can't provide any evidence for 🤣😂
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:27 PM
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Oh now it's only hundreds of times. We keep inching closer to reality!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:25 PM
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Aww how sad that the best you can do is accuse people of dating fat women 🤣😂
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 04:23 PM
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Prove what?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:18 PM
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No source, just vibes. Oh, honey.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:51 PM
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Yep, very sure :) Good to see that red pill homophobia again though!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:49 PM
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99% of men dont get matches Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:43 PM
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They're still options.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:43 PM
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But you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:41 PM
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Yes, I already addressed the goalpost moving in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:41 PM
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It actually does mean shit, it means it's an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:39 PM
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Oh, honey. Did you really think you were gonna rattle me by insinuating my wife is fat and old? 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:28 PM
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Any man who is seriously considering a long term relationship with a woman in all seriousness is most definitely going to be very concerned about any potential wifey's body count Nah. Past your early 20s, pretty much everyone stops caring because you realize it doesn't mean shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:42 AM
2

The odds of winning the lottery are 1 in 300 million. It's not anything like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:06 AM
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The metrics are showing the opposite. That's the point of the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:09 AM
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Well no, you didn't give two examples of thresholds, you just said they were different. I didn't ask you 20 tedious questions, I asked you one very simple question that you are struggling mightily to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 03:00 AM
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Sure, you can give me all those numbers and your justification for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:57 AM
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I did post a link elsewhere in the thread. If you'd like me link you to it directly rather than tracking it down yourself, you can ask nicely.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:54 AM
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Oh how many likes does someone have to have before they're not allowed to complain anymore? What's your justification for this threshold?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:34 AM
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Oh boy. You really missed the point huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:24 AM
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That women are constantly demonized for ever complaining about dating because they have "options" even when they're options they aren't attracted to. Turns out men have options too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 01:07 AM
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Anyone can fuck a short guy. Not everyone WANTS to fuck a short guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:55 AM
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And the excuses continue. Y'all act like if it's not a model walking into your house and shoving her tits in your face, it doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:18 AM
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These are the same argument women use when they get demonized for having "options", and are roundly ridiculed for it. Why is it ok now?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 12:07 AM
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That's just moving the goalposts for what success is. would you really correct them when they said they had no options? No. I would agree they don't have the options they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:23 PM
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Not really But, one again, we see how deluded men are here that they think getting a girlfriend is winning the lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:17 PM
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69 women is still quite a few options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:16 PM
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You have no numbers of the quantity of bots these guys have.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 11:14 PM
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70 seems like quite a few to me. How about "men don't have the options they want?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:26 PM
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That depends on the circumstances. What scenario are we talking about here?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:39 PM
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You have no numbers on these.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:33 PM
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No, my argument relies on numbers. 0 != 2
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:21 PM
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That's self reported from the same guy claiming only having 70 women to choose from is "no point." He said two comments earlier he deleted his profile, but he knows his exact reply rate?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:21 PM
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Nah, it's not my job to prove red pill claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:18 PM
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I have no idea what their order in line has to do with that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:17 PM
2

Ok, you still don't have numbers on those.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:15 PM
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It isn't. This is not even up for dispute. But it is so telling that men on this sub are trying to argue that 2 equals 0.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:13 PM
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Ok, what if?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:12 PM
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He does not give any numbers on how many were bots.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:11 PM
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1 or 2% is objectively zero It is objectively, mathematically, numerically not.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:05 PM
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That's because the goal is to find the right person, not just any person. But so many guys on Reddit think success only counts if you are universally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:04 PM
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And as soon as you have numbers on those, we can have that discussion. But I'm not going to debate these hypotheticals that are not only treated as irrefutable, but always seem to support the prevailing red pill narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 08:00 PM
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What nuance is missing? Is this not what men on this sub say almost every day? There's even dudes in the threads showing men have options claiming men have no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:56 PM
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I've literally created multiple threads asking for this dating app data dudes on Reddit claim to exist and have never once produced.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:47 PM
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It is a larger sample size of data than anything red pill has provided. If you want to dismiss it, fine, but that means you have to dismiss pretty much every single red pill claim and other associated "men griping on Reddit about how dating is impossible" complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:31 PM
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You'd think they'd be happy to finally have evidence that dating isn't impossible for average or even below average men, that even those men can find women who are at least interested. But they aren't. They're mad that this exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:09 PM
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What thread? I have dozens of replies to go through, sometimes I miss things.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:06 PM
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But these aren't whales. According to the men on Reddit, these are prime examples of how cooked men are in dating today. And they have dozens or hundreds of women who are interested in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 07:06 PM
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Sorry, you don't get to ignore my question and ask me to answer yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:39 PM
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That logic applies to any number of likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:38 PM
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No, I don't have my bumble account any more, so I don't have hard numbers. But I did a number of dating apps for awhile without much success, like maybe one or two dates over the course of a year and change. But I kept tweaking and editing my profile and pictures until I found a combo that worked, and my matches exploded.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:38 PM
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low like counts Nope. All or nothing. Options are still options even if you wish you had more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:36 PM
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This is literally what women say about their dating experience and yet are relentlessly demonized for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:35 PM
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I met my wife on Bumble :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:34 PM
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Then maybe "match rate" is a stupid metric of success.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:33 PM
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I mean, 70 women is quite a few women. But the rhetoric has always been "men have no options" not "men don't have as many options as they would like." If that's what you're going for...well yeah, everyone would like more and better options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:32 PM
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Then that logic applies to women too. If you do, great!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:26 PM
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But you're already moving the goalposts. I didn't say anything about successful relationships, I said "options." If we're saying only successful relationships count, then women are in the same boat in terms of not having any options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:25 PM
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You still have options. 10 women counts as options. Shit, this dude is only 5'7" and Asian (which according to him is a dating death sentence) and a like rate even lower than yours, and he has 70 likes. https://np.reddit.com/r/Bumble/s/m5GAnK15Lt
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:24 PM
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An option is an option if you think you are entitled to more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:22 PM
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That's all red pill is based on. Why is it valid for them but not for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:21 PM
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Sure. https://np.reddit.com/r/Bumble/s/m5GAnK15Lt This guy who declares there's no point because he's 5'7" and Asian and only a 1% like rate from women. 70 likes from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:20 PM
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No, not really. Believe it or not, women generally don't sit around endlessly seething about men. Red pillers on the other hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:32 PM
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And as soon as you have numbers on those, we can have that discussion. But your conjecture does not refute my evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:30 PM
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Useless fat asses are not options for the same reason gay men and inanimate objects like watermelons are not options. How is this different from women not wanting to date all their "options" then?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:30 PM
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I’d like to believe that but tbh mate, it doesn’t sound super convincing I mean it's already more evidence than red pill has ever provided. And yet these men are bemoaning how they have no options while literally showing evidence they have options, using the same exact rhetoric men on this sub use.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:29 PM
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Nope, but I also haven't constructed an ideology dedicated to demonizing and attacking women who dare to point out that dating is difficult for women too. You don't get it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:28 PM
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If that’s what you mean by options, 1-2% of women Yes. Options are options even if you think you are entitled to more. We haven’t even made it past the initial text, first date, second date, relationship. Just because those 1-2% of women swiped right, doesn’t mean it will materialize into anything. And would you look at that, you're making the same arguments that women make when they refute the red pill belief that dating is so easy for women. Word for word.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:27 PM
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It is exactly what women do and men online can't stop bitching about it. All the mental gymnastics in the world won't change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:23 PM
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Lol red pill relies exclusively on what men claim online. There is no research or evidence to back it up. These men are parroting the same red pill bullshit on posts that literally prove it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:22 PM
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I consider dozens and hundreds of women to be options. Once you filter through the bots, the ones trying to get more Insta followers And once you provide any statistics on those we can have that discussion. I'm not accepting vibe numbers of how 90% of these likes must be somehow fake just because it's inconvenient to the red pill narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:21 PM
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It's on the Bumble subreddit, they post the screenshots of their swipe right/left numbers. There is no reputable research that supports red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:11 PM
2

Thank you for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:09 PM
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Where is your source on this The bumble subreddit. Are we controlling for useless fat asses Why aren't these options?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:08 PM
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They're literally complaining they have no options while providing proof they have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:07 PM
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Ok, let's see your data.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:21 PM
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It's not coherent. It's actually highly irrational and contradictory, as most conspiracy theories are. But, like most conspiracy theories, it's self-sealing, and every problem is answered by blaming women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:20 PM
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And there's no point debating with someone who can't even answer simple questions about their own argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:18 PM
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Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:17 PM
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Sorry, that doesn't answer my question. Why would I believe a man's belief about day to day life as a woman over a woman's actual experience of day to day life as a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:17 PM
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No response, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:51 PM
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"Women are just liars bro" isn't really a compelling argument. You haven't explained why I should believe OP over actual women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:14 PM
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Simply declaring something to be "practical facts" doesn't make it true and also doesn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:59 PM
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I didn't get personal. I asked a simple question. It's very interesting you find people challenging your viewpoint as "getting personal" though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:58 PM
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So rather than listen to women about what life as a woman is like, you created an alternate reality and asserted it as true. Why should I believe your version of what it's like to be a woman over what actual women say?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:55 PM
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Can we see this link?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:52 PM
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It's pretty basic. The "job" is getting a girlfriend. The "interview" is the dating process. The "racist remarks" are all the shit that red pillers et al do that turns women off but they say doesn't matter. Not being racist in a job interview (misogynistic in dating) will not guarantee you a job (date), but being racist will make it so much harder, and pointing to racist people who did get jobs really just makes it sound like you want an excuse to be racist (misogynistic).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:49 PM
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. I do remain curious on why you think that RP was able to package these generic advices into an appealing thing for people who struggle in dating Because it blames women with a pseudo intellectual veneer.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:46 PM
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And "go to the gym because physical fitness will make you more attractive" isn't sufficient because? Like why do they need to be told about 80/20 hypergamous alpha widow cock carousel women who won't look at them until she hits the wall and then beta bucks him to raise Chad's baby in order for "go to the gym and act confident" to make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:44 PM
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The whole chads are hogging all their women, fucking 3s and making all these women 3’s only want Chad is such a bullshit incel narrative This might be my favorite part of cognitive dissonance among red pillers. They believe Chad is out fucking all these unattractive women yet will readily tell you themselves how disgusting they find these same women, while also complaining how they have no options. It's total lunacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:40 PM
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The three pieces of advice OP listed are the most general advice possible. Like they're the first things someone will tell you if you ask for dating advice. So clearly the advice is not what attracts people to red pill. However, the misogynistic conspiracy theories that blame all their dating woes on women are not only incredibly popular, but they're completely unique to red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:33 PM
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You actually haven't identified any misandry on my part. You're just using it as a deflection to avoid responding to what I said. I simply said you are a big part of the reason nobody takes men's issues seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:24 AM
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I did look deeper into by looking at the fucking url
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:46 AM
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I didn't say it was, I said you are part of the reason nobody takes men's issues seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:46 AM
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Thank you for continuing to demonstrate exactly why no one takes men's rights seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:44 AM
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This is also not a legitimate news site. It literally ends in .news
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:43 AM
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Why do you need a "model" to go to the gym and work on yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:39 PM
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improve your fitness, go to gym improve your social skills be more confident and take more initiative This among the most generic advice you can give and, with the exception of "go to the gym," red pillers endlessly whine how useless and non-actionable this advice is. I will acknowledge that some of the appeal is red pill promises to improve your dating, but the real draw is that when that promise fails, it blames women. The "advice" might draw them in, but the misogyny is what keeps them there.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:34 PM
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and then your friend goes in, makes a very racist remark, and still gets hired Yep, there are racist bosses that would absolutely respond to that. Does that mean it's worthless advice? Is that even a job you want? And if someone spent all their time telling you it doesn't matter if you make racist remarks in an interview because it's worked for other people, when do you finally acknowledge that they just want to make racist remarks? you go in, do everything right in an interview, and you still d…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:54 PM
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Oh, did you think that was the only part of red pill that was made up bullshit? Allow me to enlighten you further. MYTH: Women only want the top 20% of men! TRUTH: Debunked by the OKCupid survey that, ironically, is where the 80/20 rule came from. The survey found 80% of messages were sent to men who were "average" or lower, while 66% of messages from men were to the top 1/3 of women. Basically the exact opposite of what red pill claims. MYTH: Women only swipe right x% of the time, that proves t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:37 PM
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Why do guys here think you can never combine advice? Yes, you can continue to improve yourself AND try to meet women in real life. Attracting women on apps is a completely different skill set than approaching women in real life. I suck at approaching women in real life but I did pretty well on apps. My buddy, on the other hand, got like one date from an app but could clean up meeting women at bars, parties, etc. If apps aren't working for you, trying something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:25 PM
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women hate the red pill theory Not just women. Rational, clear thinking men hate it too. do not engage in good faith with dating issues. No, this is bullshit. It is not good faith to demand that women defend men's indiscriminate swiping while simultaneously demonozing them for being selective. Red pill is a conspiracy theory that exists to shit on women because many men just assumed they would get a girlfriend by virtue of existing and not being overtly abusive, and they need retroactively justi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:17 PM
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I mean we can play "what if' games all day. The fact is most of the men whining about women not registering for the draft live under the largest and most technologically advanced military alliance staffed entirely by volunteers.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:17 AM
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And what are considered "negative traits" by the people using this phrase is so broad and nebulous as to be meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:58 PM
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Then saying "women like bad boys" is still meaningless because it changes depending on who is using the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:36 PM
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Much like virtually every phrase red pillers co opt, "bad boy" has become so broad as to be meaningless. It's easy to point out that, no, most women do not prefer abusive cheaters, but then "bad boy" is expanded to mean literally anything that isn't the person using the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 04:23 PM
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None of those would even be in my top 5 (perfect knowledge, flight, telekinesis, teleportation, animal morphing). attracting a woman usually requires effort. Of course, just like a woman attracting a man requires effort. I'm not really following the point of your post. That men don't get to sleep with every woman they want to? Ok, and?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:25 AM
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100% agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:43 AM
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that's great! Feminists do as well, you should ally with them. But red pill men overwhelmingly do not share your view.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:50 AM
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I think many feminists would disagree with you. Women's access to healthcare is absolutely a core tenet of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:44 AM
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But they're not against having to register and in fact mock feminists for wanting to abolish the draft altogether. They're mad that women don't have to register. But they don't actually want it solved because that would also put them in line with progressive politicians. So instead, they invent the problem, block the solution, and blame everyone else. What is more conservative than that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:40 AM
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I have no idea how you could not consider feminism to be a progressive political ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:34 AM
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You can believe what you want about what its core ideology is, the simple fact is that red pillers overwhelmingly incorporate politics into their ideology, whether it's formally written down or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:14 AM
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People in a community can discuss politics without the community's central framework being political. I didn't say the central framework is political, but politics is clearly part of the ideology. Stuff can be more than one thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:02 AM
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Good thing OP didn't say that. Red Pill ideology-and the broader conservative politics that increasingly overlap with it RP isn't a political ideology So when red pillers bitch incessantly on this sub about how only men have to register for the draft, that's because they want to get better with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:04 PM
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I have literally never heard anyone discuss this app before this moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:14 AM
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There ya go. Why are you saying women wouldn't tolerate it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:08 AM
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Women can't stop a male version. There's no male version because most men don't care about red pill shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:06 AM
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Nah, I'm not watching some half hour YouTube video. Just link the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:59 AM
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I'm good with just shaming them. Plus, if even 1 in 100 of the men who evangelize passport broism actually do it, I would be stunned.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:57 PM
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The UK trial explicitly found the accusations of abuse to be substantially true. Anything else?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:04 PM
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Many men online treat dating like it's a video game. "Do these steps and you complete the quest" and "here are my character stats, I should be able to get this level difficulty woman."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:55 PM
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Men online already have a serious problem with treating dating like a video game, I don't see how trying to gamify it even further will be beneficial. If someone isn't holding a conversation with you, then unmatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:52 PM
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I've been accused of being both and yet I'm not lying down to be fucked over by women, becoming their slaves, etc. Calling men simps and white knights is a very red pill behavior and red pill unfortunately has the astounding arrogance to believe their viewpoint represents all men, so any man who disagrees must be betraying their gender and attacking men as a whole. This is, of course, bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:56 PM
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No, I'm not. Both Depp and Heard had civil trials. The standard of evidence is the same in both. You want to pretend like it's different because it's inconvenient to your narrative. Facts don't work like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 01:03 PM
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Lie. The claimant [Depp] has not succeeded in his action for libel … The defendants [the Sun and News Group Newspapers] have shown that what they published in the meaning which I have held the words to bear was substantially true. The judge added: “I have found that the great majority of alleged assaults of Ms Heard by Mr Depp have been proved to the civil standard Glad to see misogyny is alive and well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:55 PM
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The "preponderance of evidence" standard is in both the US and UK civil trials.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:53 PM
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That's not what a strawman is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:47 PM
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It's exactly what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:46 PM
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No, sorry, you don't get rewrite history.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:46 PM
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I've actually always thought red pillers would be happy in religious communities with all those low/no body count trad wives. The only thing they have to do is fake religion, which, considering how often they advocate faking entire personalities, seems much easier. It has everything they want, but they'll never actually do it because the goal is bitch about women and feminists, not actually solve any problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:45 PM
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Oh shit a woman makes more money than men therefore the entire wage gap is a lie? Crazy!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:33 PM
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They both lost their abuse trials, my guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:32 PM
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And they often mean "additional punishment," like when they talk about abused women not taking "accountability." Apparently the abuse wasn't punishment enough for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:20 PM
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They don't want jobs that are risky, negatively impacting work life balance 40% of doctors are women, and everyone knows what a low stress, low hour job that is oh wait
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:16 PM
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through different career parts due to different choices regarding sphere of work and maternity. A) Even when controlling for education, job title, experience, hours worked, etc, there is still a wage gap. B) the fact that women are penalized for having children while men are not is, in fact, sexism. C) I like how these discussions always pretend "well yeah women just mysteriously don't want all these lucrative high paying jobs in male dominated fields I guess there's no possible reason for it"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:12 PM
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But it wasn't a false accusation. They had a trial for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:10 PM
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The UK trial where all they had to prove was "more probable than not" Yes, that is the standard for civil trials.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:03 PM
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Except she wasn't a false accuser. They had another trial for that, remember?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:50 AM
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The wage gap is well documented, and if the starkest example of being "anti misandry" is supporting Johnny Depp...alright then.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:41 AM
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That is utter garbage easily debunked by red pillers posting here every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:01 AM
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This absolutely red pill. Women with machiavellian schemes to put down "average" men whom they have no sympathy for? That's red pill "everything behaves according to strict evolution" brainrot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:47 PM
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desirable women That's an incredibly loaded phrase. Desirable by what standards? Let’s say we’re talking about a true incel who can’t attract any woman, outside of homeless crazy* ones. Then he should reflect on exactly why that is. If he lands on red pill bullshit about how women only want top 20% men and personality doesn't matter and he has no hope because he's 5'6", then that's exactly why he's a passport bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:52 PM
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He can date in his own city, state, and country?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:35 PM
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He can do whatever he wants and people are allowed to have an opinion on it. In my experience, passport bros very quickly identify why they are passport bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:31 PM
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I didn't say it didn't happen more than the reverse, I said it's uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:22 PM
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I didn't say it never happened, I said it isn't common.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:14 PM
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When they grew up they saw women dating older men and were frustrated by it, so not it is "their turn" Except it's not really that common. The vast majority of people date within a few years of their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:56 PM
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I think the worst part of the claim that “smooth, flawless skin without wrinkles is pedophilia” Is this another "I saw someone on Tiktok say this and now I'm going to act like it represents a mainstream opinion?"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:53 PM
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Men wear short sleeve and sleeveless shirts all the time. Men wear athletic fit shirts and sweatpants and shorts all the time. The problem is assuming that the areas of the body that men find attractive are the only things that can be considered attractive. Off topic, but I've never heard anyone use the word "psyop" that didn't go on to say something completely bonkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:01 PM
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Yet another fantastic example of why men on this sub need to touch grass. This is moon man talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:41 AM
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you’ll see women speak of incels as if they’re cave dwelling Taliban And you realize those women are the minority of women? That the vast majority of women, even if they recognize the term incel and red pill, don't know the rhetoric? near-zero "Near" is doing a lot of heavy lifting, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:14 AM
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The amount of time women actually spend thinking about "unselected men" is basically nil, especially compared to the amount of time "unselected men" spend bitching about it. This is a fantastic example of why red pillers et al need to touch grass. When you get out in the real world, 90% of the shit that men on this sub say sounds like a foreign language.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:35 AM
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I think many men misattribute the reason for lack of libido. Among married friends with kids, the guys who complain about lack of sex (even in jest) are the ones where the wife does the most work.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:57 PM
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This might be a you thing my guy. I've never had an issue with emotional closeness with female friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:22 PM
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And red piller discovers consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:40 PM
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they make up about half of them Like what? You thinking that literally NONE of anything like that applies to women is the problem itself. Except the only thing men here seem to care about women "doing better" is letting men date them, but only the men guys here approve of.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:16 PM
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I believe that we just treat everyone that isn’t “the one” like shit until we bump into someone that makes us “shape up” This is very much a you thing. Most people are polite and pleasant to people even if they don't want to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 01:10 PM
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How does someone not choose to not have hobbies, friends, or interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:36 PM
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People forced them to have no friends, no hobbies, no interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:16 PM
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I agree there is something wrong. We disagree on what is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:55 PM
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Because that is how trade works. That's not the trade. The trade is you work for society because you benefit from society. That is a reflection of what women want No, that's just misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:31 PM
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Correct. It's not "the child who stands outside the village demanding a girlfriend will burn it down to feel its warmth." These men choose to have no connections, no investment, no interest in society beyond getting a girlfriend. That is their choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:53 PM
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Sorry, what is your actual argument here? Men consume lolicon shit so therefore they will only work for society if they can get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:52 PM
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That depends on what they agree on. I have a friend who just quit his job to be a stay at home dad because his wife is a dentist. I personally wouldn't want to be married to someone who wants to be a stay at home mom. That's a ton of pressure on me and significantly reduces our lifestyle. You're also misunderstanding what maternity and paternity leave is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:28 PM
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You’re delusional if you think the vast majority of people are not selfish. Society actually doesn't function if everyone is selfish. And these radicalized young men are in for a rude awakening if they don't realize that. But if I had nothing, Let us be abundantly clear. These men choose to have nothing. Absolutely nobody is forcing them to have no friends, no family connections, no hobbies, no interests. They are choosing not to have those things and then blaming women for not dating them. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:13 PM
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It is my point. Somehow men being radicalized is being pinned on women while ignoring that everything else that is absent in these men's lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:09 PM
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For themselves No, that's not how progressivism works. No one asked you to feel sympathy Dudes here are constantly complaining that nobody feels sympathy for mens loneliness. Had I å wife and children, society would be working for me Society never entitled you to a wife and children. The fact that you think it did is your problem, not everyone else's.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:08 PM
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People routinely consume fiction with kids having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:06 PM
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Of course it feels pointless, they have nothing in their lives. The problem is thinking that women are going solve that. Like do you realize that the vast vast vast majority of men who are in relationships still have friends and hobbies and interests that exist outside of the relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:05 PM
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Let's see if you can spot the difference between fiction and real life. Look at that, I just did it for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:03 PM
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If I have no children, why should I care what happens to society after my death? Because society is more than you and your children. but ultimately selfish instincts drive almost everyone. Actually they don't. That is the entire point. The most rational thing for me myself and I is to just chill, travel, and have fun until I’m in an old person hospital. That doesn't require burning down society in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:02 PM
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And I'm saying your facts are bullshit misandry. No one ever said men had to be happy alone. They said don't make your entire life hinge on whether you have a girlfriend. You even say it yourself; these men don't even have hobbies and, by their own admission, many of these men don't even have friends. Why aren't they trying to fix that problem instead of demanding women give them sex or else they're voting for Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:39 PM
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Why is men working for the good of society contingent on having access to women's bodies? Women get radicalized from things like abuse, sexual violence, discrimination, harassment, etc. And yet these women overwhelmingly become progressive to improve society, and the manosphere says I should hate them. But apparently men get radicalized from not having a girlfrien drives them to burn it all down, and the manosphere says I should feel sympathy for them. How does this make any goddamn sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:34 PM
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Well, you're not talking about "we" here. You're talking about women. Because doing things for the good of collective wouldn't be "I'm going to vote for trump if I can't get a girlfriend." There's no expectation for men to change for the good of the collective, you want women to do that and make men's behavior contingent on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:27 PM
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Men aren't taking anything from women by force.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:24 PM
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I don't find "if I can't get a girlfriend, I'm going to keep sticking my dick in this electrical socket" to be a very compelling argument, yet that is exactly what many young men are doing. But the reality is the only people telling you that you have no hope (and comparing it to terminal cancer, Jesus Christ) are the ones who want to radicalize you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:13 PM
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Ok, but you're literally just making stuff up to suit your narrative like the OP. There's no evidence of any of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:59 AM
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I'm confused what your comment is trying to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:33 AM
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Please, give me your exact reason for why you think his wife left him, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:19 AM
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Yes I did. You made up another accusation that you have no evidence for and I called it out lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:05 AM
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You also made that up. He never said anything about it being because he's wheelchair bound.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:03 AM
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It's not messed up though. You completely made up that she's divorcing him because of his foot.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:58 AM
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Ball himself doesn't even say it's because of his foot. OP is just making shit up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:57 AM
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OP is also making up that she divorced him because he lost his foot. There's nothing to back up that assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:56 AM
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What is the basis of the claim that his wife is leaving him because he lost a foot?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:52 AM
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I don't think many of the men who post here are confused at all. They motte and bailey the definitions because that's the only way the ideology works. Like just today someone posted that when women say men have a bad personality they must mean he's terrible and evil. It's ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:35 AM
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People were more open about it, but it has always been happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:59 PM
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You're interpreting bad to mean morally bad instead of just bad for dating. A guy who is intensely boring has a bad personality, he's not a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:04 PM
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Casual sex has been going on for all of human history. That is not something new generations invented. If anything, statistics have found the younger generations are having less sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:19 PM
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Amazingly, I don't think I've ever heard a woman say women should have paper abortions. Like ever. That doesn't seem to be something they're interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:56 PM
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My profile and pictures. I spent a year tweaking it and trying different pictures and arrangements until I found one that worked, and my matches immediately exploded.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:26 PM
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Amazingly, I don't think I've ever heard a woman say women should have paper abortions. Like ever. That doesn't seem to be something they're interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 02:24 PM
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No, I think abortion access should be expanded.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:53 AM
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I mean I do. I went about a year or more with basically no matches before I got the hang of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:52 AM
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You mean the military industrial complex that spent about 75 of those 100 years fielding a volunteer only military? Is that the one you're talking about? And you can save the "they're just lying" bullshit. The manosphere has blamed progressives for years for not having equality in the draft despite the fact it's actually conservatives who want it to be male only. But shhhh because if they admit that, then how are they going to blame feminists??
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:19 AM
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I don't think I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:18 AM
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Yeah it's just bad faith bullshit. Once you realize that the manosphere doesn't actually care about men's issues, they just want to bash women and feminists, you will see it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 01:11 AM
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Your edit doesn't make sense to me? I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:30 AM
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Then why should men get special privileges like paper abortions?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:26 PM
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They don't want to abolish Selective Service because that would mean they agree with feminists. Not even joking, they insist the draft is necessary and women should join it because they think it will upset feminists more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:10 PM
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It's not the same exact logic at all. You're imposing a non existent restriction on women and trying to compare it to existing equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:09 PM
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Dating apps are a different skill set than approaching women in real life. I was (and am) terrible at approaching women in real life, but I did pretty well on dating apps. If you're struggling with dating apps, then try a different approach. But I do not understand the mentality of "it doesn't work for me so it can't work for anyone."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:50 PM
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Of course not, just like I do not favor red pill's "paper abortion" proposal to create non neutrality. This is a really terrible gotcha you're trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:16 PM
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Abortion access already is gender neutral, as are parental abandonment laws. Selective service is not gender neutral because conservatives have prevented it from becoming so.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:03 PM
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As always, men who get pregnant have the same exact options as women. Women who do not gestate their child have same exaction options as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:36 PM
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I can understand that, but when they keep telling people that all the actionable advice being offered is useless because it doesn't guarantee success, then they need to learn to be happy single. Either change what they're doing or accept the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:37 PM
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You're arguing for those red pill and red pill adjacent men right now, they're getting told to be happy single.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:32 PM
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It's exactly the point. You're complaining it's not useful advice and I'm pointing out that all the useful advice gets disregarded, so what else do you expect? And that also meant to read "red pill and red pill adjacent men".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:01 PM
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I mean, what exactly do you want? People give actionable advice day in, day out about things they can do to try and improve their chances of finding a partner, and the red pill and red pill adjacent men piss and moan about how none of it guarantees success so therefore it's worthless. All right, if you don't want advice and are unwilling to change, then learn to be happy single. Seems to pretty straightforward, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:56 AM
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Many men here definitely seem to think it makes them more virtuous. How women don't experience "real" loneliness like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:39 AM
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Dudes here talk all the time how they don't care about a woman's career, education, income, hobbies, tastes, ambitions, or even personality beyond being "agreeable." They literally say all she has to do is not be fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:38 AM
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I mean I don't think most men have low standards, but many men on this sub proudly talk about how they only thing they care about is if she's attractive. Also, if somebody is willing to remain single rather than compromise their standards, then their standards aren't too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:36 AM
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Let's see some examples then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:37 PM
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It's not "mean/evil" to refuse to date someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:13 PM
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How exactly are you being punished though? I'm willing to bet I spend more time in feminist spaces than a lot of guys on this sub, and I have no idea where or whom this punishment is supposed to be coming from.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:23 PM
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Sure, it's not exclusive to men. But it is definitely dominated by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:32 PM
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Wait are you saying women are transphobic or men are? Because in terms of "trans women are really men pretending to be women" transphobia, that is overwhelmingly dominated by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 03:27 PM
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Nope, he was already a multimillionaire the first time she went back to him and didn't find out she had HIV until after they got back together.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 02:58 PM
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What exactly are you defining as "dominated?"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:41 AM
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The part where you went off on some bizarre tangent about women's sexual selection and also lions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:40 PM
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This is true It is absolutely true. Nobody ever said it was fear of being raped (since that would be a defense on its own). thus, straight men view LGBTQ and particularly gay men as an agent opposing the structure, and of making their contributions “to the collective” worthless. No, that is utter nonsense. Being gay is antithetical to traditional masculinity. Traditional masculinity is incredibly fragile. The risk of being labeled as gay by proxy is an existential threat to one's traditional mas…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:50 PM
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What do you mean? I mean that "she's divorcing you because you're not a provider and the courts will automatically give her custody" is red pill nonsense. Because it's that this was a feminist arguing how family court should work, not how it does. Link for this? my evil patriarchal stay-at-home mom ??? I am willing to do that too, and let her decide. What is the question then?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:38 PM
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It's actually not hard to find women who want to split dates. I never had a problem with paying for the first date and it still was not hard to find women who wanted to split. The men here act like it's seeing a rare spotted owl which suggests their preferred woman does not want to split or, more likely, most men here don't actually have any dating experience and are just parroting red pill talking points from other men who don't really have any dating experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:31 PM
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One of the first people I spoke to on Reddit told me that if I were a stay-at-home dad and my wife leaves me, she's leaving me because I'm not financially providing, so I should lose custody of my children and pay child support. ??? Are you suggesting this is blue pill advice? Because that sounds red pill as fuck. when I say I want alimony to compensate for a lack of male DV shelters, which was bad faith Not only does this not answer the question, but it's absolutely bonkers reasoning. because t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:54 AM
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What is it with you blue pillers and responding to strawmen My guy, you are the one inventing a narrative where she's doing all this crazy experimentation with other guys and won't do it with him because she's not as attracted. It's just a common experience gap couples are having more and more these days There is nothing to back that up. and the answer is usually not as black & white as "let's break up, babe, so I can go find someone who still wants to experiment" I mean, it really is. She doesn…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:52 AM
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That doesn't require her to let him to experiment on her. If he wants to experiment more, he can find someone who wants to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:31 AM
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Absolutely. I hooked up with a 40-something woman I met at a part when I was in my early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:26 PM
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You said: then she only comes back because she has HIV Which is clearly not true because she doesn't find out until after they get back together. They get back together because she wants him to meet his son.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:25 PM
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No, it's not silly. Demanding universal compatibility from women is what's silly. You are not required to be in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:12 PM
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She didn't know she had HIV, and it is entirely relevant that it is his child. It is the single most relevant part.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:08 PM
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Yes, and? You feel men are being disproportionately blamed for something both men and women do. I said feminists routinely discuss the fact that women also reinforce the patriarchy, and then you moved the goalposts where it only counts if they blame women more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:56 PM
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Yep you did. You went from "feminists don't acknowledge that women reinforce social norms too" to "feminists don't acknowledge that women reinforce social norms as much as men."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:47 PM
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Now you're moving the goalposts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:38 PM
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She is diagnosed after she gets together with Forrest. She doesn't "leave" Forrest with a child, that's Forrest's child.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:35 PM
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Jenny never had to lead Forrest on. Forrest would have given Jenny everything he had without a second thought. Jenny pushed Forrest away because she never felt like she deserved his love.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:00 PM
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There's a different between excusing and understanding. Even Jenny never asked Forrest to excuse her acts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:58 PM
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The analysis isn't supposed to stop at whether Jenny is likeable or not. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:06 PM
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Forrest Gump is such a fascinating examination of media literacy. I think the movie is a story that can easily be gender swapped. A woman simply would not be allowed to rise to the same heights as Forrest (especially during this time period), and it's unlikely a man would be sexually exploited to the same extent that Jenny was her entire life. I think there are some scenes that would be viewed more darkly, but the story overall is hard to easily swap.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:05 PM
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So Jenny led him on but also she should have left him alone? Because having seen so many of these discussions, the former is what people complain about. Also, the entire point of the movie is that Forrest isn't actually intellectually disabled. He repeatedly shows that he is incredibly capable, his competency just doesn't match what society thinks of as smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:59 PM
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Ok, so I'm gonna guess you've never actually read what feminists say because not only have feminists long acknowledged that women support the patriarchy and push harmful rhetoric as well, they even have a name for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:39 PM
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All the misandristic and man hating rhetoric has consumed most of the current feminist trends Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:01 AM
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No one actually thinks that "personality" is important in dating Yes they do. f they did, they'd be utterly baffled by the existence of abusive male partners. No, this is just an incredibly lazy, bad faith argument that red pillers et al use which ignores the reality of abuse cycles and is also just terrible logic. This same reasoning would mean that height has no impact because short men get dates all the time. It's also incredibly strange that you used an example of a woman leaving a man with …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:28 AM
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No, most people who have been in relationships recognize a bad relationship is worse than no relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:06 AM
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How do you think I found out women wanted to split?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:59 AM
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You aren't required to date someone. A bad relationship is worse than no relationship. Anybody with experience knows that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:58 AM
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Not really. I never gave a shit about paying for first dates and it still wasn't hard to find women who wanted to split.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:57 AM
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Nobody told you "all you have to do is be yourself and focus on yourself and you'll get dates." They're telling you that you are so far off the rails that you are lacking even the most basic foundation for a relationship, much less trying to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:36 AM
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I'm pointing out that your two different statements are completely at odds with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:16 PM
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So men are jealous of fake sex that's against human nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 06:33 PM
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there is no reason for women to take offense to men finding them sexy. no reason to dislike being hit on. the suggestion of having sex with men should not cause such hysterics Fun fact, straight men find homosexuality so repulsive that it used to be a legal defense for murder. So if we're talking about repulsion, let's give it some context here. Secondly, no, women are not required to accept sexual attention from everyone (or anyone) in order to prove they aren't repulsed by male sexuality. Wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:49 PM
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You ignored what I said. I am calling out your hypocrisy because a) you've already acknowledged you don't actually care about the biphobia, you just want to attack women and b) you not only ignore, but actually align yourself with far worse biphobia and homophobia. The fact that you and others like you continually use my sexuality as an excuse to shit on women is far more offensive than the few women who have said they didn't want to date me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:09 AM
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What exactly are you defining as "traditional gender dynamics?" But generally, yes, there's nothing wrong with choosing traditional gender roles and relationships for yourself. That doesn't place it above scrutiny, but it's a free choice. And it has been long noted among feminists that choosing a traditional life for yourself is completely compatible with feminism as long as it is actually freely chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:45 AM
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That's not what tokenism is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:43 AM
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Because men being homophobic is already seen as the default. That's a much bigger problem. While women are assumed to be perfect angles who can't be homophobic. They aren't, but thank you for confirming, once again, that you don't actually give a shit about biphobia or homophobia. You only care about bashing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:42 AM
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I didn't say anything about misogyny. And I'm calling out the hypocrisy of men on this sub perfomatively clutching their pearls at the "hypocrisy" of women while ignoring and even frequently aligning themselves with much more virulent homophobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:36 AM
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Fetishizing someone's sexuality is not really any better than not dating them. And of the many reactions people have had to my bisexuality, men have had, by far, the worst and most violent reactions. It was actually really common for red pillers to hurl slurs at me for a long time, and then they discovered they could use bi men to attack women, so now they bring it up incessantly. The worst a woman has done is say she doesn't want to date me (and it's not nearly as common as dudes on this sub wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 06:00 PM
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It's really not. The fact that it's so easy to find similarities is why they are grouped together. The Venn diagram is nearly a circle. Look how many dudes here complain about paternity testing or conscription.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:31 PM
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for some reason includes MRA and they concentrate on totally different issues Ok, we can add paternity fraud to the list. It's still not first-hand experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:55 AM
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No it's not. I'm simply illustrating the difference in the experiences. I didn't say whether anyone is "correct."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 05:51 AM
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viral online posts are broadly representative of how women feel, when there've been several threads in the last few days centered around the OP's failure to understand that women are not a monolith Is not the same as: interpreting online posts Immediately narrowing it to "viral online posts" is clearly a bad faith attempt to cherry pick examples that fit your narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:57 AM
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I think it's kinda funny that you think viral online posts are broadly representative of how women feel And this is called "moving the goalposts."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:47 AM
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then we should expect that a man, given a female body (I say this instead of "a woman's body" because that implies that he has swapped with or stolen the body of another conscious being), would fail just as hard. Like if we seriously think that the quality of someone's photography is a problem, then surely a dateless 27 year old man would utterly fail if magically given a 27 year old woman's body. Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:45 AM
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I didn't say whether anyone was correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:38 AM
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Feminists share their stories because they all have them. A woman sharing her frustrations about being harassed gets a ton of women supporting her because they've overwhelmingly experienced harassment too. The only common story among manosphere men is how women won't date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:50 PM
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And yet red pillers continually align themselves with these guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:33 PM
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That's based entirely your vibes. Red pill overwhelmingly exaggerates the prevalence of such women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 02:09 AM
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So....you don't even know where this is supposedly practiced today?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 02:08 AM
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Are you talking about quinceñeras?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 02:07 AM
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And why doesn’t it matter as much as dudes think it does? Anatomy, mainly. penetrative experience. Well, for starters, sex is more than penetration. I’ll find a few comments suggesting to find asexual women and the like. Please do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:01 AM
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Does it matter? Yes. Does it matter nearly as much as dudes think it does? No. Unless you're packing an anaconda or a micropenis, it's not really an issue. For example, “get good with your hands” is often tossed around as advice, which is valid, but it’s only ever really targeted to men with smaller penises. Not really. Men are constantly reminded that most women do not orgasm from penetration alone. “Just find someone who doesn’t care about sex that much” or “find someone asexual”, another thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:43 PM
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"It was almost everywhere, that's why everyone has been using the same singular example from Coastal Carolina University that was almost immediately removed for nearly 20 years."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:00 PM
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Some women are totally fine with that. Nobody knows the percentages, but why does it need to be the majority? The majority of people aren't romantically compatible for any number of reasons. This is just one of yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:00 PM
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Lol of course. Once again, as soon as red pillers run out rebuttals, "actually you're just proving my point"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:08 PM
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Have no standards is not a virtue, and it does not make loneliness more valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:58 PM
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https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/ceelo-green-apologizes-for-rape-tweets-comments-were-idiotic-untrue/1985945/
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:49 PM
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This is a single poster made for a single university almost 20 years ago and red pillers are STILL using it lol I can easily find people saying being drunk doesn't matter for consent. Does that make it the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:40 AM
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It's not. Drunk men can be raped too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:59 AM
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A) hypergamy is just a red pill boogeyman B) you will find that many people can support causes without it directly resulting them in getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:45 AM
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Many men, by their own acknowledgement, swipe right on everyone and then sort them out later.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:31 AM
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"Men will take any women as long as she isn't divorced, isn't fat, doesnt have a kid, hasn't touched more penises than he's personally comfortable with, has never had any sex that makes him uncomfortable, sleeps with him in the shortest time span she's ever slept with someone, does every sex act she's ever done whether or not she wants to but only if he wants to, doesn't wear makeup, doesn't have a social media following, isn't friends with any exes, isn't friend with any men really, doesn't go …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 10:31 PM
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And you just proved blue pill irrefutably correct, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:39 PM
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I haven't, but it is hilarious how red pillers try to claim that every time they don't have a rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:37 PM
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And that is one of the core themes of the movie. Like they explicitly discuss this, on top of the fact that he's very likeable and charming, but also an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:19 PM
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comics We're not talking about the comics. Holy fuck y'all love to miss the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:36 PM
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Have...have you seen Iron Man?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:45 PM
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These dudes apparently have never seen characters like Tony Stark, Han Solo, or Jack Sparrow.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:02 PM
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That's what OP is arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:58 PM
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Easily, people do not behave the same way at all times. The other commenter gave you a great example, and you deflected.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:40 PM
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Can you point me to where people are constantly claiming any man who can't get a date must be a miserable misogynist?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:33 PM
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These are the comments that make me wonder if red pillers ever interact with people in real life. Yes, it is possible to be an asshole and still be likeable and charming.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:32 PM
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A guy can be attractive to women regardless of his height, status, or money. So are we going to admit these don't impact attraction?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:24 PM
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They see women fighting dirty and just say that they don't want to lower themselves to the tactics women use. Bahahahaha yeah men would never do anything like go on mass shootings or send death and rape threats for daring to talk about video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:02 PM
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"Peaking" in general is bullshit but there's always a push to claim men "peak" later almost exclusively by older dudes who want to date teenagers or by men who fantasize about being an older man dating teenagers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:59 PM
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There are so many posts here that are so close to getting the point and then just veer off.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:46 PM
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This about your definition of value, and you grouped "average" men as "unselected." And where are average men getting all the messages and hate?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:39 PM
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And unselected men/average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:49 PM
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Average men aren't unselected though. The average man dates, has relationships, sex, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:27 PM
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Red pillers are in for a rude awakening when they learn that neither society nor men want what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:28 PM
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Ok, but it's not up to society or reality to bend to red pillers' delusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:12 PM
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Everybody has a realistic chance. They're angry they didn't get the guarantee they thought they were entitled to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:11 PM
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like all human behavior, is governed primarily by genetics. That is not even remotely true. The possibility that a person considered beautiful by the opposite sex could carry a genetic disease that has no physical expression doesn’t seem like a strong argument against that view in my mind. It doesn't matter whether it does or doesn't. The other commenter said beauty is not an indicator of genetic fitness, and they're factually right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:08 PM
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demented incels Msot men (especially younger generations) are looksmaxxing.. Don't look now, but I think you just answered your own question.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:43 AM
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Hot people carry genetic diseases and disorders too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:41 AM
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They find it odd when I don't give up my seat on a bus Where are all these healthy, non pregnant women demanding men give up their seats in public transportation? or tell them good morning lol. Random women stop you on the street to tell you that you should have said good morning to them? Challenge women like the woman in thid video that says stuff like this. I am challenging what the woman in this video says.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:28 PM
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You can just leave women alone. I'm willing to bet women are fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:56 PM
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The willingness of many men to believe ridiculous and frequently terrible things about women simply because they can't get a date is truly embarrassing and shameful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:12 PM
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Three of my last four girlfriends, including my now wife, all made more money than me. My wife is a physician and makes substantially more money than me (engineer). It's just not an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:59 PM
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I didn't say it wasn't influential, I said it isn't representative of real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:57 PM
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No, I just base my views on real life and not social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:38 PM
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The extent to which that is a "problem" is enormously overexaggerated. Most women want you to make comparable money to them. If she likes you, the fact that she makes 20k more than you isn't going to matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:25 PM
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No, I don't and I explained why I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:42 PM
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I never cared about paying for dates and I still easily found women who wanted to split the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:41 PM
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Modern romance often demands that men engage in endless, low-yield pursuit—footing every bill, driving every mile, and enduring mixed signals No, they aren't. This isn't reality and red pillers continually try to gaslight everyone into thinking it is. The reality is both sides out effort in and if you don't want to foot the bill for the first date, then find a woman who wants to split. It's not hard to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:11 PM
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People have been fucking outside of marriage forever. That's why "hookup culture" is such bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:52 PM
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Nobody is claiming fidelity is a need.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:38 PM
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Yes, I'm aware. Every time I talk about how dating changed for me, I get grilled on my height, looks, career, how muscular I am, etc. The answer is all of that is it is the same as when I couldn't get a date to save my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:22 PM
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I'm married, but thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 04:13 AM
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The two I got comments on were a candid picture of me and my dog, and a picture with my cousin at a wedding. I looked good in the picture and was wearing a suit, but I didn't want people to think my cousin was an ex, so I drew an arrow over her and wrote "COUSIN!". Several women told me it made them laugh and swipe right. My other pictures were me at the Circus Maximus in Rome, me playing ice hockey, and I think I had one or two pictures with me and my friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:44 AM
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It's only terrible optics if you're looking for an excuse to call it terrible optics. And if you're looking for an excuse, you're going to find an excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:21 AM
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And I'm saying it didn't make a difference. If they were offended by that but didn't care about Clinton or Trump choosing a white man, then they would have found some other excuse not to vote for Biden or Harris, because they don't actually care about "DEI", they just want an excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:56 AM
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- What are the real challenges you personally face in dating? When I was dating, my challenges were that my hobbies and work were largely male dominated and I absolutely suck at cold approaching women. So online dating was my main avenue. - What patterns have you personally noticed in your own experiences? I like intelligent, ambitious women who can make me laugh. Physically, I don't really have a "type," which helps keep the net wide. - Have you tried dating with different approaches? Yep. I st…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:33 AM
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more so was just a bad look to announce it imo. And this is the kind of performative indignation that makes it so apparent that these men's problem with the left has nothing to do with how they treat men. There was never a moment where Trump wasn't going to pick a white man for his running mate. Clinton and Harris both picked white men as their running mates specifically because people cannot handle an all female ticket. But that never bothers these men. They don't care about "discrimination" as…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:56 PM
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Alimony is awarded in a small minority of divorces, not awarded at all in break ups, and women initiating most divorces proves the original statement of "women will tolerate anything if she's attracted" to be categorically false.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:06 PM
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Those are different; they’re physical traits. Exactly, and they still find success. So if misogyny isn't a roadblock, then neither are those traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:38 PM
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There are lots of short people who achieve success. There are lots of ugly people who achieve success. There are lots of fat people who achieve success. There are lots of poor people who achieve success. There are lots of "low status" people achieve success. Therefore none of these can be a major roadblock to dating either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:28 PM
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Blue pill doesn't claim success in dating. It's just "not red pill." but misogyny isn’t a major roadblock to dating. Yes it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:20 PM
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So are women getting raped and murdered by men. Does that mean it's the norm?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:06 PM
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And red pill didn't change anything, so clearly red pill does not get you laid. Maybe their personality really was the problem after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:17 PM
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That's just circular logic, which red pill uses all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:15 PM
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After they've gotten the bag it they dump them then sue them law suits are the new divorce.. No that's just some nonsense you made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:09 PM
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Look at the red pillers on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:08 PM
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That's not what gaslighting or whitewashing is. And we can easily see there are droves of red pillers who don't get laid, but somehow that never seems to be the issue there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:07 PM
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No, they aren't. Try and explain to most successful men how women are all hypergamous with delusional standards who are in harems with the top 20% Chads and ride the cock carousel until they hit the wall, get alpha widowed, and then they'll beta bucks some average guy to use his resources, and they'll have you committed. The caricature of successful men you have in your head are red pillers. Most actual successful men are laughing at y'all. The most successful guy I know is someone who is super …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:06 PM
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Because red pillers, by and large, are unsuccessful. And if women really do go for nice guys and care about personality, then these guys might have to acknowledge that they've been the problem the whole time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:07 AM
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Sure. I never cared about paying for dates and it still wasn't hard to find women to split dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:10 AM
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Nope and now you're motte and baileying what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:38 PM
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The thing is I have. You have nothing to back up your assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:11 PM
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You've made no point at all, so perhaps you should try that instead of really bad gotcha attempts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:08 PM
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Which is why I said: Women are now less economically dependent on men than ever before And was very careful to phrase it that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:02 PM
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...yes, on average, women become less economically dependent on men every year. Your reply has the tone of a "gotcha" but I don't think you could even begin to explain to me exactly why that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:56 PM
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It's 2026, currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:50 PM
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I've seen a lot of short men who are married and date around a lot. So height doesn't matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:52 PM
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They will tolerate anything if they're attracted to a man No that's so comically untrue that I can't believe you actually typed those words. Women dump rich, hot, high status men all the time. Look at that girl who killed her BF crashing her car because he wanted to leave her that's how they act when they're really into you. No, that's delusional. I will take mentally stable women, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:47 AM
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Correct. Women may only find a small percentage of men attractive, but they aren't all finding the same small percentage of men attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:43 AM
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When a woman abuses and cheats on a man, the man is at fault and it's "what did he do to deserve it" Simply stating something doesn't actually make it true. Dudes on this sub love to make these completely vibe based statements and pretend like it's fact. It's not and you can easily find examples debunking it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:50 PM
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the 80/20 rule isnt only supported by that It's not supported by the OKCupid survey. It's debunked by it. dating app swipes percentages There is no dating app data to support the 80/20 rule. "Women only swipe right on 5% of men" does not mean "women only swipe right on the same 5% of men." biological incentives supported by papers And this is just plain nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:43 PM
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How is that a humblebrag? Also why didn't you respond to the argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:33 PM
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I am quite consistent. The OKCupid survey debunks the 80/20 rule, so I'm quite happy to use it. If you want to discard it, then the 80/20 rule is still debunked because there's no evidence to support it. It also shows that is in fact the majority of men chasing the same percentage of top women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:30 PM
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No, it just shows women have narrow but diverse tastes. You can see the vast majority of messages sent from women to men were to "bottom" men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:28 PM
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This article is from 2009, Then the 80/20 rule can be dismissed as well. and also its funny how we pick and choose when the ok cupid study is valid. It's not a study, and it's a survey, and that's literally what you're doing right now. Whether you accept the OKCupid survey or not, the 80/20 rule and it's variants are debunked.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:21 PM
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No, I've known women can be shitty too pretty much my whole life. That's not what you said. You said women lack accountability. Accountability for what, to whom, and in what way? Why is this so difficult to answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:16 PM
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lack of accountability For what, to whom, and in what way? Dudes on Reddit love to say "women lack accountability" but are completely incapable of giving any explanation of what they mean re: accountability
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:01 PM
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No, it's actually supported by dating app data. https://gwern.net/doc/psychology/okcupid/yourlooksandyourinbox.html 2/3 of male messages go to the top 1/3 of women. It is, in fact, "women only date the top x% of men" that is projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:53 PM
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No, that is not accurate. Perhaps that is the only reason he ever interacts with women, but that is not true of most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:15 PM
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OP is asking why it is "suddenly" so hard. Dating has always been easy for attractive, exciting people and hard for ugly, boring people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:08 PM
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Dating has always been hard in general, and there have always been men and women for whom it is especially difficult. Women are now less economically dependent on men than ever before and are therefore less willing to tolerate an unsatisfying relationship than ever before. Gen Zers have also said COVID had a significant impact on their social skills. I can't speak to that personally but that is a common sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:07 PM
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Well that's the cornerstone of your argument. If you're reducing it to simply "women have said these things" well yeah. You can find almost anyone who will say something. If you're going to try and claim this is common argument from women, you need to have something go back it up besides "trust me bro."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:34 PM
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Devoid of all other context, sure. But they are not common statements, much less "the vast majority".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:30 PM
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Correct, pro woman is pro human.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:27 PM
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"Women should be treated like people" "Women should have bodily autonomy" "Women shouldn't be raped and murdered"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:24 PM
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"A woman would never do something that cruel" "Women are the more mature gender" "I'd always believe a woman over a man in these situations" These are not the vast majority of "pro women" takes on Reddit. These are not even the vast majority of pro women takes on these specific topics on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 05:21 PM
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they are not attracted to multiple men at the same time Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:02 PM
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What does that have to do with the numbers?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:36 PM
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This is simply men who identify as bi. I can tell you from personal experience as a bi man, there are a ton of straight identifying men who like sucking dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:30 PM
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Why not? Isn't that what dudes here are always claiming with beta bucks, paternity fraud, women cheating, etc?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:22 PM
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A) That is global gender ratio, which includes places like China and India where boys are historically favored (the ratio is lower in western countries) B) That is the ratio at birth, it evens out around mid adulthood due to slightly higher mortality among boys C) about 4% of men are gay compared with 1% of women
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:45 AM
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And any woman can date multiple men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 11:41 AM
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women always have feelings involved in everything Paranoia is a feeling, too. But yeah man, go get your test. And if you blow up your life over nothing, be prepared to accept everyone laughing at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 04:03 AM
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Golly, sounds like women aren't a hive mind after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:57 PM
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The number of single women is the same as the number of single men, mathematically.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:54 PM
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We used to keep a spreadsheet of mortgage and utilities because we had different banks; the mortgage was split proportional to income and utilities were split 50/50. Now we just have a joint account and everything comes out of that. We're both fiscally responsible, so it's not really an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:07 PM
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I provided my evidence. Men who rape and murder women clearly hate women. I've met my burden of proof. If you want to refute it, you need to provide evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:08 AM
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While it's a true statement on its own, it does not support your claim that most rape and murder of women is automatically based on misogyny. I've yet to hear any compelling alternative explanations. One dude was trying to argue that most rape is "negligence" which I simply do not have the spoons to unpack.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:26 PM
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You could honestly make a comparable list just of male musicians who have written sex songs about underage girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:11 PM
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Oops, you cut off the rest of my response because it's inconvenient to your agenda. You do not have to say "I'm a misogynist" to be misogynistic, nor does misogyny have to premeditated.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:01 PM
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That’s not how that works… even to this day. Yes it is. You do not have to say "I'm a misogynist" to be misogynistic, nor does misogyny have to premeditated.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:48 PM
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Deep breath The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Rolling Stones, The Doors, Velvet Underground, Black Sabbath, Pink Floyd, Marvin Gaye, Aerosmith, Rod Stewart, AC/DC, Van Halen, Judas Priest, The Knack, Bad Company, Alice Cooper, The Ramones, Motorhead, Guns n Roses, Motley Crue, Kiss, Prince, Def Leppard, Whitesnake, George Michael, Michael Jackson, ZZ Top, Beastie Boys, Nine Inch Nails, Biggie, 2Pac, Eminem, 50 Cent, Ludacris, Buckcherry, Lil Wayne, Blink 182, Usher, Nelly, and literally hundre…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:04 PM
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Euphoria is not coded for either gender and the main focus is addiction, not sex and romance. The point is you ignore men consuming sexual media when it's inconvenient to your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:39 PM
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The Sopranos. Is Euphoria your only example?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:34 PM
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Rapists and murderers do not go around stating they have hatred of women. And if we were in kindergarten where you have to say the exact words, you might have a point. But we're not, so you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:23 PM
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Oh please, let's see them! I've been hearing this for years, I'd love to actually see some proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:13 PM
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The same logic as what?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:13 PM
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I didn't use statistics to justify anything, I simply asked a question.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:06 AM
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That doesn't really answer the question, because it seems like you're saying the same thing again?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:33 AM
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Black people have historically raped and murdered White people Not only is this not remotely true, it's also completely irrelevant to the question I asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:32 AM
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"It's harder for ugly men than ugly women so therefore women should lower their standards" am I reading this right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:16 AM
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I don't know whose misandry, or lack thereof, you're talking about here The misandry that isn't directed towards enough people. Who doesn't? Women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:03 AM
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That's not the limit of misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:16 PM
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How many of the dudes on here are actively posting that they're mediocre or want to disrespect a future partner? They say themselves they're average of below average looking, have few or no friends, have few or no hobbies, hate feminism, aren't social, aren't charismatic, aren't confident, etc...mediocre is being generous.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:48 PM
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By definition, misogyny is an attitude toward women in general. There's no such thing as "misogyny toward one woman" Then misandry doesn't exist because it's not towards enough men. Nope Yep. But someone can harm a person without intending to. Oh great, then misandry doesn't exist because they don't mean to harm any men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:40 PM
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A motte-and-bailey means switching to a completely different, safe argument Correct. You went from "the vast majority of women are going after the same small percentage of top men" to "dating is not perfectly balanced." Claiming there is no data on this just shows you haven't looked at how these apps actually work. I've been asking for years, nobody has ever provided this dating app data. Your first link is self reported data. Your second link doesn't say anything about the 80/20 rule or similar…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:21 PM
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Lots of violence is motivated by ill-will toward the victim in particular, obviously. Misogyny towards one woman is still misogyny. If we're using a broad definition of "rape", There's only the one definition. don't actually intend their victim any harm Raping someone is harming them. There is no conceivable argument to say rapists don't know they're harming their victims. Most rapes (by the broad definition) result from negligence, not malice. That's not how rape works, bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:28 PM
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What gender issues do you think are motives for violence? Like what are you defining as a gender issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:26 PM
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Did I make a complaint Yes, hence my clarification of it. Well now I'm curious. You never actually checked it yourself? https://np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/s/viozxCwOBJ Explained in the first few paragraphs. You can also see in the comments that nobody ever provides this supposed dating app data. He was born and raised into it, just like most men are raised believing many mainstream Blue Pilled ideals No, because "women don't care about looks" isn't actually a thing anyone told you, nor is it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 09:19 PM
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Saying the digital dating market is totally balanced There's the motte and bailey fallacy. Real data from dating apps You don't have any such data. I'm not even going to waste my breath asking because I know you don't have them. I've been asking for years, nobody has ever produced these dating app stats. OKCupid survey says the exact opposite of what red pill claims. Women swiping right 5% of the time != Women swiping right on the same 5% of men. A tinder "experiment" blog post is not dating app…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:29 PM
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but it's not derived from hatred of women So when men rape and murder women...it's not out of hatred? They're just old fuddy duddies stuck in their ways?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:15 PM
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Literally never said anything to imply that So once again your chief complaint is that women do the same thing men do? I mean, the dating app stats back it up They factually do not. I'm not even going to waste my breath asking because I know you don't have them. I've been asking for years, nobody has ever produced these dating app stats. OKCupid survey says the exact opposite of what red pill claims. Women swiping right 5% of the time != Women swiping right on the same 5% of men. A tinder "exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:07 PM
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Oh ok, who holds the majorities in both houses? Who holds the majority in governorships? Who holds the majorities in state legislatures? What's your actual evidence for the "mainstream narrative" being "feminist gynocentrism?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:42 PM
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mainstream narrative Who is president of the United States right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:59 PM
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No, it isn't. First off, blue pill isn't a movement. It's just not red pill. What you really mean are progressives. Progressive men's issues groups are small because the messaging from the manosphere is that progressive groups are just feminist cucks who hate men. Don't believe me? Then go join r/MensLib.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:52 PM
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You're essentially telling them that women are capable of feigning love for an entire marriage and having a whole ass family with a dude they don't really love for some perceived benefit. Uhhhhhhh who told you this was exclusive to women? Even without the apps men can still see the kinds of guys are getting the most women and the dating app stats just reinforce what they can already witness. No you can't, because the "majority of women going for the same small percentage of top men" is bullshit.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:49 PM
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This dynamic is starkest on public transportation. Statistically, men face a significantly higher risk of early-onset cardiovascular disease, deeply tied to stress and cumulative fatigue. Pressuring an exhausted man to stand on a packed, moving train prioritizes a superficial social script over a concrete biological need for rest, directly compounding his long-term health risks. I must be losing my mind because it sounds like you're arguing that men occasionally giving their seat up for pregnant…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 06:05 PM
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Steve Harvey literally telling women to make men wait 90 days for sex as a deliberate investment strategy and getting a standing ovation for it. My guy. What woman do you think is taking dating advice from 2009 Steve Harvey?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:53 PM
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No bullshit is tolerated now It wasn't tolerated before, you just believed what the Internet told you lol It's will not affect ZERO percent in Florida!!! You sure helped those millionaires! Oh it's not a criminal case Correct. Oops, looks like you forgot to reply to the rest!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 05:06 AM
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Florida stopped lifetime alimony and made child custody equal, Texas gave men protections against paternity fraud Child custody isn't equal because dipshits like MRAs tell them the courts are biased even though 91% of custody arrangements are made without any court involvement whatsoever. Lifetime alimony affects less than 1% of divorces. The Texas bill you're referring to was passed in 2011. Trump administration brought back due process rights for men in college campuse title 9 hearing which fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:54 AM
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Of course it's an afterthought, feminism is focused on women's issues. he deeper problem with feminist discourse is its tendency to blame men for the patriarchy, or at least to say (or imply) that men are more at fault for the existence and perpetuation of the patriarchy than women are. If you're not upholding the patriarchy, then they're not talking about you. It's really very simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:25 AM
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But women will never actually oppose these bad actors, I mean that fails immediately, most feminists vehemently oppose TERFs. So essentially, if you want to fight against feminism Why would you want to fight against feminists? in retaliation for feminists working against mens interests. Bahahahahahaha yeah bud it's feminists, not the conservatives the manosphere simps for who have held power for 6 of the last 10 years and done absolutely nothing but made men's lives worse. Thank you for proving,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 04:24 AM
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Feminists have acknowledged that the patriarchy harms men too since at least the 1970s. It is men's rights groups who insist they attacking the patriarchy is attacking men because, as I stated, they don't care about actually men's issues, they only care about bashing women and feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:32 AM
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Not only is that not remotely true, but it also doesn't refute the fact that the manosphere is the loudest voice supposedly for men's issues and has repeatedly made sure to label progressives the enemy while actively fighting against solutions to men's problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:33 AM
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There will never be solutions to men's issues as long as the loudest voices for men's issues are the manosphere, because they do not care about solving men's issues, they only care about bashing women/feminists. That's why the biggest issues they push are dumb shit like mandatory paternity testing and conscription (even though progressives in the US have been trying to add women to Selective Service for years only to be blocked by conservatives; MRAs and red pillers always magically forget this …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:08 AM
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that auto filters you from dating 90% of women Not even close. I never gave a shit about paying for the first date and it still was easy to find women who wanted to split the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:11 AM
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where a traditional breadwinner/housewife dynamic is "alternative lifestyle" Yeah, not sure where you've been. It was only "traditional" for a few decades in the mid 20th century.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:01 PM
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I've personally found women appreciate compliments of things like their clothing choices much more than their physical appearance. She chose her style, she made an active decision to look like that, you're not just complimenting her genetics. Bonus fact: people also tend to appreciate compliments about their style even if they aren't attracted to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:30 AM
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Test it out with an even funnier photo and see if it still works.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:08 AM
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Right, it's a red pill conspiracy theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:04 AM
2

Sure, at some level.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:09 AM
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No, it's not crude as that. It's simply doing your thing. If you want to join me, awesome, if not, I'll still be here doing my thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:55 AM
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I grew up in a hunting town so despite the fact I'm pretty progressive, I'm very into guns. Within gun groups, most are otherwise normal people who just enjoy shooting, but there's a very specific subset of people who are obsessed with gun use in self defense. They will tell you, in great detail, all the different scenarios in which they are legally allowed to shoot someone to the point you realize it has nothing to do with self defense, they just really want an excuse to shoot somebody. There's…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:29 AM
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Confidence does not light up a room. That's extroverted charisma. The first minute of this clip from Office Space is an example of confidence, to me: https://youtu.be/ZRfYAlVFryY?si=tLtQD2FA0CzWL31h Setting aside that he's asking out a waitress at work (don't do that in real life), he basically says "this is what I'm going to do, I'd be cool if you join me, if not, no big deal." He's going to be doing his thing whether she joins or not. He clearly states he would like her to join, but his plans …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:24 AM
0

Yet it is indisputably clear that humor can turn a no into a yes
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:49 PM
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Apparently not. Multiple women specifically cited that it made them laugh. If looks are the only thing that matters then why would they care if I was funny?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:26 PM
0

This is just circular logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:07 PM
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One of my pictures was a picture of me at a wedding with my female cousin. I wanted to use the picture because I was in a suit and looked really good, but didn't want women thinking it was an ex or something, so I drew an arrow pointing to her and wrote "Cousin!" next to it. Multiple women told me they swiped right because it made them laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:44 PM
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Probably a combination of 3, 4, 5, and 6. The most important one to remember is the people who are successful in online dating generally aren't on Reddit talking about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:42 PM
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Let one guy call his ex-girlfriend toxic and dare to share it, and a lot of those same people will be like, "he must have made her that way". Where is this happening? These are the "counter arguments" that are made all the time on this sub as though they are common occurrences, but nobody can ever point out where. We try so hard to protect women from any kind of critique or criticism And this is just utter bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:57 PM
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It isn't real, and I'm willing to bet one day, very soon, you will realize how silly it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:16 AM
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Beta bucks isn't a real thing, it's a red pill conspiracy theory to explain why so many average men end up in relationships without acknowledging that the red pillers themselves may, in fact, be responsible for their lack of success. "See? It's not because those men did anything different, they're just suckers!"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:10 AM
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The absolute worst case scenario here is you've made friends and found a new hobby.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:45 AM
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Standards are not rigid, and people don't leave happy relationships. I have no idea what your friend is referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:01 AM
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Just be nice, honest, humble, and work hard I have never heard someone say all you have to do to be successful in dating is be nice, honest, humble, and hard working. So in your particular case, the answer is they aren't giving that advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:14 PM
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I can easily prove the sky is blue. Simply declaring something to be "obviously true" doesn't actually make it so. Do you have evidence for your claim or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:44 PM
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No, you have to prove a poor man can't date unless he's tall and handsome, since that is the claim you made.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:35 PM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 10:31 PM
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Pretty much every friend I've made since I moved to a new city 15 years ago has been through hobbies or friends from those hobbies. You're also allowed to invite people out yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:36 PM
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If you meet someone and make a good impression on them and become friends with them, now you're more likely to encounter all their friends and if you make a good impression on them, you can encounter their friends. And don't ask people if they have single friends. The point is to find people you vibe with and not just the first available single person.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:24 PM
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The purpose of hobbies isn't just to directly meet approachable women, it's to expand your social circle because the more people you know, the more likely you are to encounter someone who can be a potential date.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 05:18 PM
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You can label it however you like. There is nothing about men wanting to have sex with him and women not wanting to have sex with him that is "performative progressiv[ism]".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:47 PM
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He hasn't actually claimed he's received any oppression. So far he's said the gay men want to have sex with him and the straight women don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:33 PM
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Sure and that's a very valid example of oppression. If OP wants to claim that this form of discrimination is more common among progressives than conservatives, I'm gonna need to see some data.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:10 PM
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I don't deny that occurs, but that's not what OP is complaining about.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:04 PM
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What are you considering to be the optimal outcome?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:02 PM
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You didn't say they were homophobic, you said they assumed you were down to smash. You also complained that women don't want to date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:53 PM
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I did, hence my reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:49 PM
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Someone not wanting to date you is not oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:44 PM
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Optimal by what metric?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 01:49 PM
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If your only goal is to never get hurt, dating is not for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:49 AM
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I didn't say it was, but if you're working so much you have no time for anything else just to afford basic necessities, how are you going to have time for a girlfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:30 AM
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I agree social media has had a detrimental effect on everyone but especially younger generations. I don't have a solution for that other than to unplug.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 11:37 PM
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Yeah dude, I'm not saying it's been easy, it definitely hasn't. I'm saying that's not stopping you from having a hobby or even just spending time with people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 10:37 PM
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Yep. I graduated with 6 figure student loan debt right in the middle the the housing bubble recession. I worked a slightly above minimum wage job for over a year before I finally got my first job in my actual field. I know exactly how hard it is. I still found time to hang out with my friends and do activities beyond work.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 10:29 PM
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Because changing anything about their personality would be acknowledging that they are the problem, and that is intolerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:59 PM
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Nobody is forcing men to do anything. If you want to work so much that you have no time for hobbies, go for it, but do not pretend that's the norm and do not be surprised if people are not interested in dating a workaholic. Leave men alone if you cannot properly help them without trying to subtly control them. Nobody is trying to control you, this is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:57 PM
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No, it's saying until very recently men were required for women's economic survival. It does not specify the extent to which individual women valued their partner and what traits they valued.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:46 PM
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It's not my argument, When someone points out your argument relies on extremely pedantic readings, the response shouldn't be to become even more pedantic. Chronically single people have worse cardiovascular health, for one. Imagine lack of help in emergencies contributes too. Higher levels of stress and depression as well. I fully support mental health availability for single people, and really all people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:33 AM
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"Income" and "a job" are not necessarily the same thing. But since the vast majority of people do not have an ancillary stream of income, it is. Again, if this level of pedantry is required to support your argument, it's a bad argument. I'm not sure what you're asking, but there plenty of studies that show this. I'm asking what is the cause of premature death from being single.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:14 AM
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You don't drop dead the minute you stop eating either, but food is still necessary to survive. Are you really gonna keep pushing this ridiculous argument that income is not necessary to survive? Like if this is the position you have to take to make your point, then you've already missed it. Also, loneliness too increases the chance of premature death. From what?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:06 AM
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Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:58 AM
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Because a filter doesn't have to be 100% effective to be valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:51 AM
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All attractive men are not good at manipulation. All ugly man are not bad at manipulation. These are just some of the many strawmen you have posted in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:50 AM
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Boy are you in for a surprise when you learn about the death rates among the homeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 09:48 PM
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What girlfriend are you being forced to accept just to survive?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:58 PM
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Because they drew comparisons to oppression. If the question is simply why we have tried to fix things that are oppressive and haven't fixed things that aren't, the answer is that it isn't oppressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 04:08 AM
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Yes, many things in life are not equal. Some of them result in oppression. Those are typically the ones we try to fix.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:58 AM
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Equal pay Equal roles & duties Equal status These aren't equal. Men are still expected to pay more (or everything) while courting * Men are expected to plan, organize, and “give her the experience” * Men must take the lead, perform, and prove their value To the extent that this is even true (which is greatly exaggerated on this sub), how is this oppression?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 03:09 AM
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If you're willing to date a drug addicted prostitute with herpes because you're desperate and I'm not, that doesn't actually mean you want women more than me. And I didn't say women are enigmas, I said attraction (for everybody) is highly variable and complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:39 AM
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Sure, and there are women with little to no experience as well, yet they didn't create an entire conspiracy theory ideology out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:05 AM
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It’s simple: men want women more than women want men. No, you are confusing "desperation" with "wanting" someone. That isn't the same thing. The real issue is, as with many of red pill's complaints, is that dating isn't a video game quest where you check off items and get your girlfriend. What normal people know and have known for most of their lives is that attraction is multifaceted and complex. You want the cheat code that will make you maximally attractive to all women and it doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 01:02 AM
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Sure, take almost any viewpoint and I can find extremists on the other side to justify it. This is yet one of the many key differences between movements like feminism and the manosphere. Feminists overwhelmingly are pushed left because of their own experiences of what men do to them. Young men are overwhelmingly pushed right into ideologies like red pill because of what women don't do to them. And since that's hard to justify the misogyny they feel, they provide post hoc rationalizations like "l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 08:23 PM
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Lol they are not observations because they have no basis in reality. They are beliefs/myths. And I do use the same label. It's all red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 07:24 PM
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Then use same label I do, that's why I say red pill. In that case you should be able to give at least some ideological overlaps between two 80/20 rule, beta bucks, alpha widow, cock carousel, the wall, body count phobia, --maxing, women have delusional standards, the average men has few to no options, looks/money/status, the 666 myth
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:59 PM
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We can start with the 80/20 rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:20 PM
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Red pill and incels are ideologically about 95% identical. Red pillers are no more successful, as evidenced by this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:20 PM
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And people "could be" banging aliens, but until there's actually evidence of that, it's not really relevant. The simple fact is the average amount of experience for heterosexual men and women, definitionally, is the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:18 PM
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You are, you're claiming the "experience ratio" is heavily skewed with nothing to back it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 03:10 PM
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And if you want to claim that's happening, you need to provide evidence. Otherwise I will make the equally valid claim that 100 men are having sex with the 1 woman and thus it is actually men who have the majority of sexual experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:01 PM
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The red pill was never going to work because it was based on the premise that the least successful, least experienced men somehow know the most about dating and attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:50 AM
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Women and men have the same amount of experience. That's how numbers work.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:21 AM
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It's pretty easily debunked. "Women date assholes, personality doesn't matter!" Women also date short men. So height must not matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:44 AM
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A man will explain basketball to Michael Jordan. They don't, though. Men are brutal with each other about this. Lol red pillers literally created an entire ideology to lie to each other about why they're single. Brutally lying to spare their feelings to each other is still lying to spare their feelings. Lack of tact is just male communication Again, this myth of "brutal" honesty falls apart at the merest scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:39 PM
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No, I don't think people are explicitly saying they deserve a partner, but when you read the same rhetoric day in and day out about "unfair" dating is and how sex is a need, that's saying the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 02:37 PM
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You can't say anything critical of women's collective behaviour, What collective behavior are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:55 AM
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I have done research. The MRAs of today are not the original feminist allies who fought for men's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:22 AM
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Mandatory paternity tests Men pay no child support Men get all assets in a divorce Women are added to conscription I don't think they've thought very far beyond these.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:50 AM
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I've made it pretty clear what my view is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:47 AM
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Hey mods, can we permanently ban any "women are secretly bi/lesbian" discussions? It's getting pretty ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:41 AM
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Feminists oppose MRAs because of the rampant misogyny. MRAs oppose feminists because of the rampant misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:15 AM
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Lust is not the only valid form of wanting someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 11:11 PM
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MRAs don't support equality. They don't even support men's issues. In fact they will actively fight again solutions for men's issues in order to keep bashing feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:15 PM
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Every popular branch of feminism is anti-equality. No, that's just demomizing, unsupported bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 10:03 PM
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Great, then height is also not a concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:19 PM
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Shitty men can also be physically attractive, have status, or also have money.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:15 PM
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It's really common for women to date short men lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:06 PM
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Women also date short men. So height must not matter then, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:49 PM
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Nope. Facts don't care about your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:32 PM
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Because most replies just want to be angry, they don't actually want to understand. The world isn't how they think it should be and getting a girlfriend isn't a video game where they can follow steos a, b, and c, so they're going to make it everyone else's problem. The real kicker is it has basically become a great self selection method. People generally value emotional intelligence, so If you lack the social awareness to be able to assess when it is or isn't appropriate to approach, then you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:13 PM
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First you conflated my argument with the manosphere If you don't want to be labeled that, then don't use the same exact terrible arguments they've been using for well over a decade. demonize me instead of engaging with the logic. Will you call me an Incel next? Holy persecution complex, Batman I did respond to your argument (it's not logic) and you threw a hissy fit and moved the goalposts. If you want to ignore my rebuttal, go off, but don't expect me to keep responding to your arguments while …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:56 PM
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Conflating the "manosphere" with the entire male demographic I did no such thing and you know I didn't. Furthermore, hyper-fixating on the age of historical examples completely misses the point No, it doesn't. You're cherry picking the same old points as MRAs and proto red pillers did 20 years ago. You never noticed how every dude who argues from the manosphere point of view uses the same exact arguments? I'm sure if I kept going, you'd bring up Erin Pizzey, Earl Silverman, and Mary Koss, right?…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:45 PM
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They don't. Men are 50% more likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 02:10 PM
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Both genders cheat at similar rates just for different reasons Nope. Men are 50% more likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:26 PM
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By maintaining the broad label of "feminist," liberals silently subsidize and shield these extreme factions from criticism. Comments like this is how you can tell dudes are just parroting what they've heard other men say who got it from a wikipedia article. If you actually delved into feminist discourse, you would find numerous discussions and debates about radical feminists and whether their ideas had merit or if it was unproductive extremism. This is one of the many key differences between fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:24 PM
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Men and women lie and cheat in dating/marriage at similar rates ( 1 in 3 ). Men are 50% more likely to cheat than women. Lesbians have the highest rate of domestic abuse Lesbian relationships have the highest rate of having someone who has experienced domestic violence, which is not the same as what you said Gay men have the lowest divorce rate. This has nothing to do with violence? Men are more physically violent because of evolution like most males of their species on the planet. Those men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:14 PM
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I can tell you from personal experience that loads of straight identifying men that love sucking dick. Truly heterosexual men are a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:45 AM
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You could make that argument, but since mainstream feminism and TERFs largely reject each other's views, that doesn't seem to make sense either (i.e., they do not share rhetoric or ideology).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:55 PM
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Where did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:39 PM
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You would have to ask them. People generally understand the question to mean "why is your friend chronically single despite their desire not to be," so that filters out people are in between relationships or not actively looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:27 PM
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A combination of life experience and educational background that taught me how to interpret data sets and statistics. I've had body count discussions with people before, but not frequent, because once you get into your mid 20s, nobody really cares anymore. By that point, you realize it doesn't actually mean anything But I've had extensive conversations with men and women about relationships and dating dynamics both online and in real life. When you talk to people who actually have dated and have…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:17 PM
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Nope, because Donald Trump does not use the same rhetoric or ideology as feminists, FDS does not use the same rhetoric or ideology as trad wives, trad wives do not use the same rhetoric or ideology as feminists, etc. This is a bad motte and bailey attempt that the manosphere frequently uses where labels expand and contract depending on what is convenient to the argument at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:45 PM
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You're deflecting from the fact that your religious analogy was a bad fit. No, I'm not. You're trying to prove the manosphere isn't a religion, which I never claimed it was. I said the distinction you're trying to make isn't as relevant as you pretend it is and gave an example. That's how analogies work. Saying MensLib exists to challenge institutional structures completely misses how institutional power works. No, they pretty clearly challenge institutions. You're just mad they don't blindly at…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:54 PM
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Donald Trump would say he advocates for women's interests and well being, but he clearly does not try grouped with feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:45 PM
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That doesn't mean there's any overlap in their ideology. How do you define the Manosphere? A collection of primarily online spaces that focus on spreading misogyny, anti-feminism, and what they perceive as traditional masculinity, often under the guise of men's rights, pseudoscience, and self improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:13 PM
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because it is an aspect of feminism Where? Like literally your own link mentions how feminists have varying views on it. She, herself, even says she doesn't expect men to pay, but views it as chivalrous if he does.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:16 PM
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First, your comparison still fails. Red Pillers, MGTOW, and MRAs do not share a foundational text or a central figure First, this is a requirement you invented from whole cloth. Their ideology, beliefs, and rhetoric have enormous overlap, which is why they're grouped together. Their gurus have enormous overlap, which is why they're grouped together. There is no requirement for them to have a shared, physical Bible or a messiah to be grouped together. I said the mainstream narrative only legitimi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:57 PM
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Bro, every argument you make is "actually the thing you said proves the exact opposite." Why are you using ChatGPT to make your arguments? 🤣 Seventh-Day Adventists and Presbyterians both explicitly claim the label of Christian, share a foundational text, and acknowledge the same central figure Yes, this is exactly why the comparison is valid. MRAs, MGTOW, and red pill share huge ideological overlap and many of the same central figures (Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate in the past). The point is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:28 PM
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Materially and ideologically, they are vastly different And yet, identical beliefs and rhetoric keep cropping up in each one. Hence why they are bundled together. An Incel operates on fatalistic biological determinism, believing it is over because of genetics. A Red Piller operates on hyper-agency and sexual capitalism, believing that if they lift, make money, and game the system, they win Seventh Day Adventists believe the apocalypse is coming any day now while reformed Presbyterians believe th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 02:05 PM
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Paying for the first date is a feminist thing? Like your own link talks about how women have varying views on the topic. And I asked for examples of the overlaps, not baseless claims that they exist. Your first attempt failed, do you have any others?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:45 PM
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I don't follow any manosphere dating influencers yet I'm still able to name several. Did you find those overlaps between feminists, FDS, and trad wives yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:17 PM
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Yep, the manosphere does that kind of shit constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:13 PM
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can point out that feminists and FDS may overlap I literally asked for examples of the overlap between feminists, FDS, and trad wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:59 PM
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let's call all the groups who focus on various female issues Femosphere Yeah, I've seen dudes here trying to make fetch happen with this lately. You also immediately point out why this is dumb; it's already got a name, it's just called feminism, and you can't even come up with other examples besides FDS (reddit's favorite boogeyman) and trad-wives (???????). What overlap is there between FDS and feminism? Same for trad wives? The manosphere got it's name because the same bullshit kept popping up…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:42 PM
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This whole “most men are unattractive” There is a difference between "attractive" and "attraction." You can think someone is attractive while having no attraction for them. while obsessing over wealth, status, and credentials like life is an episode of Sex and the City. I absolutely did not say this. act like white knights in an online gender war. Lol, there is no gender war. There's just angry dudes online pretending there's a gender war.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:04 AM
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A woman either likes you or she doesn’t. Same way it is for a man. By this terrible logic, relationships are easy; you're either in one or you aren't. But if you acknowledge the clearly intended meaning of the words, no, attraction is not simple. What attracts people varies wildly from person to person and is often interdependent on numerous other factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:36 AM
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Most women are completely comfortable with only finding a small percentage of men attractive. Its mostly red pillers that seem to have the problem with it, which is why they do things like push the false narrative that attraction is simple and women are attracted to the same small percentage of men. People who haven't succumbed to red pill brain rot generally acknowledge that attraction is multifaceted, complex, and messy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:15 AM
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And you don't get to ask endless questions while manufacturing bad faith reasons why you can't answer mine, not sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 06:08 AM
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I didn't ask for your interpretation of what the law says, I asked where the law says jobs like bikini waxers are required to be 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:48 AM
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Sorry, you don't get to ignore my question and then ask me to answer yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:39 AM
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equal opportunity to jobs. Where do equal opportunity laws say this? just because you say that doesn't mean that's reality. Correct, but in this case it is reality. Like, did you think you were the first person to try this bad faith argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:38 AM
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The law says differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 05:26 AM
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And there are laws in place to contest paternity and divorce settlements.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:12 AM
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Who is requiring 50% of waxers to be men or women? This is a really terrible "gotcha" attempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:57 AM
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People do not owe you equality opportunity to their intimate lives. People do owe you equal opportunity to voting, jobs, political office, etc. And since red pill swears they aren't entitled to women, what exactly is your proposed solution?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:45 PM
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Lets take the claim that looks is the most important factor in attracting women. Quite bold and strong claim, it should be a quite easy yes or no. But it's not. In general, attractive men will have an easier time attracting women, but it's by no means guaranteed nor is it the only path to attracting women, which is what red pill claims. I mean, I've seen it with my own eyes. Guys with good game can way outkick their coverage with women. It does not mean looks don't matter nor does it mean looks …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:09 PM
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selected and generally the top of hierarchies in a patriarchal system aren’t committing toxic masculinity? Even if that was true, women are not exclusively selecting those men. And yes when you claim I’m conflating the two types of men. I’m only doing that because online progressives beat me to it. That's a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 09:57 PM
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You posted a link? I'm simply asking for a quote where it says that a large majority of women are going after the same small percentage of top men, a la the 80/20 rule. Why is this so hard?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:51 PM
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No worries, you demonstrated exactly what I was talking about in my comment 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:45 PM
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That red pillers continually misrepresent and lie about studies? Crazy how you could just quote where they said it and your refuse to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:42 PM
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This doesn't say a large majority of women are going after the same small percentage of top men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:32 PM
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I did read it, I didn't see anything like that in there. Can you point out where I apparently missed it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:29 PM
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Then you are welcome to give your DNA to the government. I will not. You also ignored that this "problem" already has a solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:11 PM
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Where does this say a large majority of women are going after the same small percentage of top men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:04 PM
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Because I don't want the government to have a national DNA database. You don't see how that's dangerous?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 08:00 PM
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No, red pill is full of endless contradictions. Having an answer to a question doesn't make the answer right or even coherent. Do the same with Blue Pillers and you get a hot steaming mess of different points: “Women don’t care about looks,” but also “women only find a minority of men attractive,” but also “no one ever said that.” Where do blue pillers say this? Meanwhile, RP loves data, scientific findings, and university studies, while Blue Pillers always find something to dismiss them over: B…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 07:41 PM
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It's a costly and dangerous program to solve a "problem" that already has a solution. Just get a paternity test if you want one. Stop asking other men to give plausible deniability to your paranoia.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 07:25 PM
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Who said that? Men on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:59 PM
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Wait till you hear about how people get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:33 PM
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The psychological traits men favor in women would, no? Naive, horny women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:23 PM
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And most western countries have laws regarding contesting paternity and equitable asset division in divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:12 PM
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What "oops you married an asshole" laws are there?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:05 PM
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Nah, they won't date me because I won't date them because I'm married.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:04 PM
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Lol like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:03 PM
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Men on this sub claim to not need a seatbelt for women's choices in men yet vociferously argue for extra seatbelts for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:02 PM
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There are more innate correlations between male traits that create raw desire in women and the qualities that also lead to the kind of bad behavior we are talking about. This is less true when it comes to men choosing women. Gonna need a source for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:01 PM
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claiming superior feminine intuition Superior to what?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:59 AM
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Generally (and I’d actually love for you to contest this) men who have trouble dating are assumed to have a moral failing No, that's not remotely true. You're conflating men who have trouble dating, which is really every man (really every person) at some point or another, with red pill and red pill adjacent men, who absolutely have a moral failing. “hey women, when you select for assertive, competent, masculine men you do not realise these men have already committed toxic masculinity to other me…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:58 AM
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I do not think paternity tests are legal in most countries. Gonna need a source for that. Secondly, Women make the claim that they can spot red flags easily and know when a man is being performative or what no And men on this sub claim they're even better at spotting red flags. So clearly they have no need for prenups and paternity testing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:55 AM
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Regardless of her poor choices or stupidity legal protection is necessary I don't see women arguing for mandatory background checks and psychological screenings. Red pill men et al frequently argue for mandatory paternity tests.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:52 AM
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So women have no excuse for "choosing poorly" but men require legal protection?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:30 AM
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I dunno, how do men always think the divorce "came out of nowhere" or get paternity fraud-ed?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:29 AM
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Yes they do. You are not required to be in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:28 AM
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Red pill's argument is "women have no excuse for not seeing red flags because men can see them easily."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:28 AM
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For men, of course they can spot the PHYSICALLY abusive women. Do you think physical abuse is the only form of abuse that women complain about in men?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:27 AM
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No not specifically here, but the attitude common to such men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 04:07 AM
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Is it? I was under the impression the average man today has virtually no chance of dating, as evidenced by all the dudes screaming in here day in, day out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:30 AM
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Oh I don't believe red flags are always so easily spotted. But many men on this sub do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:07 AM
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See, this is how I know you don't actually listen to what women (and especially feminist women) say. Most feminist and progressive women see a man being overtly and loudly feminist as a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:06 AM
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Sure, women not dating many of the men who post on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:45 AM
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What do you mean like what? The example I gave. Men who react poorly to women filtering men and complaining that women need to "choose better" are waving their own red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:34 AM
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This is just motte and baileying the numerous threads on this sub that repeatedly criticize women for ignoring red flags and going after "bad boys" and needing to be held "accountable" and that women should "choose better." You don't get to pretend those don't exist now that's inconvenient to your argument. Discussed here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:13 AM
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Sure, then the same applies to men whining about women filtering out men but not the way they want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 01:09 AM
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It does exist, that's my whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:38 AM
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For you, that's all. For the many men on this sub who don't agree, there's a debate to be had.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:26 AM
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I would like to agree that because some men slip past women's filters does not mean that women's filters are useless, but unfortunately that is not the prevailing sentiment among many men in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:18 AM
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If you're not familiar with the discourse on this sub, I'd suggest reading around instead of stamping your feet that it doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 12:00 AM
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Sure, but then those men must be held accountable. So no prenups or paternity tests.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:57 PM
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Yes it does? Why would the red flags be easier to spot for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:53 PM
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Red flags are not always before the relationship starts No, I've been assured that the people who have repeatedly pointed that our are wrong and that men can easily spot red flags in Chads and "bad boys" that women either willfully ignore or are too vajazzled to recognize.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:52 PM
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No, that's blatant revisionism. If this were true, there wouldn't be any need to spot red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:51 PM
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Oh yeah, the women who will divorce you or baby trap you or paternity fraud you, those are easily spotted red flags too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:46 PM
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This is just motte and baileying the numerous threads on this sub that repeatedly criticize women for ignoring red flags and going after "bad boys" and needing to be held "accountable" and that women should "choose better." You don't get to pretend those don't exist now that's inconvenient to your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:45 PM
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I agree. I think many men on this sub refuse to acknowledge that the shitty men who still get dates are very often very charismatic and charming, which hides their darker side. Hell, look at how much they bring up women being attracted to "dark triad" traits while ignoring that both sociopaths and narcissists can be extremely charismatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:39 PM
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It is not that women should be able to easily spot the red flags in men and then "choose better". It is that women should listen to people not blinded by nature when they are pointing at red flags they can't easily see on their own. Same goes for men. Listen to the people not blinded by their nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:37 PM
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It isn't though. That's the whole point. That's how they get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:31 PM
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I didn't say it makes them less misogynistic. I said the red pill fallacy is that the misogyny is obvious from the outset.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 09:44 PM
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Being a Chad is about being charismatic and hot. Red pillers refuse to ever acknowledge the first part because then they'd have to acknowledge that their personalities actually do matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 08:49 PM
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Like who?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:06 PM
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That's clearly what is meant unless you're legitimately suggesting these women want to marry these men and never have sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:03 PM
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It sort of is, but men like the ones posting on this sub tend to make it far worse for themselves. One easy example are the guys who swipe right on everyone and then sort them out later complaining about their abysmal match rate (and don't bother trying to tell them that swiping right on everyone might trigger the app into think they're a bot).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 12:44 PM
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t becomes an insult when it’s prefaced with something like “you’re not someone I’d hookup with”. "You're not someone I'd only hook up with"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 12:35 PM
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Even acknowledging that men are discriminated in some way is met with extreme hostility No, derailing discussions of other people's oppression to say how men are oppressed is met with hostility, as well as blaming women/feminists for patriarchal discrimination (see 99% of discussions about conscription). Feminism has long recognized the patriarchy harms men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 12:33 PM
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Has she already gotten a tattoo or is this a hypothetical?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 03:45 AM
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By what metric? Women are treated badly for literally nothing at all, but especially when it comes to anything having to do with dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:10 AM
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constant shaming the men they don't want for all superficial reasons in the book. Women don't bitch about short guys even a fraction as often as men bitch about fat women. Like it's not even close. It also bears repeating that not dating someone is not "shaming" them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:05 AM
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instantly disprovable nonsense Lololol and you're lecturing me about gaslighting? I've been asking for years for any proof of red pill claims, especially regarding online dating, and y'all are still trying to claim a blog post is real evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 07:26 PM
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Women already have vastly more dating options than men do. Nah, this is a red pill myth. Y'all can date single moms, fat women, ugly women, promiscuous women, divorcees, women who go to clubs, women who wear revealing clothing, women who post thirst traps, women who have male friends, gold diggers, drug addicts, ex cons, abusers, etc. Those are all options for men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 06:30 PM
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"reward" with "access" to what?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 05:14 PM
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Yes if the sole goal of existence was to raise the birth rate, that would probably do it. But since it's not, that's a bad idea. And you still haven't explained why those policies shouldn't be implemented elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:13 PM
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Well a) that only addresses one of the policies she mentioned and b) that doesn't explain why those policies shouldn't be implemented elsewhere, like the United States.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:02 PM
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That's actually the part they always ignore. The biggest reason that fertility has declined is that teen pregnancy is basically non existent now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:22 PM
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nordic countries still have a declining birth rate even though So? How is that relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:20 PM
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when I was as young as 14 years old that their boyfriends wasn't any good. Aunts/Grandparents and the like sort of laughed it off. Months later after the inevitable breakup they go "how did you know...?" And then everybody clapped? These dark triad traits aren't hard to spot at all They actually are, which is how narcissistic/sociopathic men and women frequently get away with it for so long. Did you think men were immune to this?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:37 AM
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Humor is good. Never taking anything seriously is bad. Being able to laugh at yourself is good. Relentlessly putting yourself down is bad. Being confident and unabashed is good. Being unable to read others discomfort is bad. Everything in moderation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 10:35 PM
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Reality TV is based on reality Oh, honey. If you're arguing that reality TV is reflective of real life, then this argument is even more delusional. They had boyfriends before the show. And? The dudes had partners before the show too. OF girls are also real people running a business. You're just making statements. You aren't actually proving their relevancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:45 PM
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Dudes on my 600 lb life have wives and girlfriends too. What a ridiculous claim. You can also just look at any OF girl So the internet can't be used as evidence when it goes against you, but the Internet can be used as evidence when it says what you want. Oh, and apparently reality TV, but only the parts that fit your worldview. You have absolutely nothing to back up your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:40 PM
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Sorry, still waiting for any evidence of your claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:29 PM
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All of your examples have dudes simping after them. They don't. The dudes here bitch about how they have no options and then trip over themselves to go on lengthy, unsolicited rants about how disgusting they find single mothers, "land whales," "run through" women, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 08:27 PM
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Men usually have very little to none Single mothers, fat women, ugly women, women who have slept around, women who go to clubs, women who are friends with men, divorcees, women who wear revealing clothing, women who post thirst traps, drug addicts, ex cons, gold diggers, etc. are all options for men. You are living the life of a CELEBRITY. This is delusional beyond description. You have neither the concept of what a celebrity life is like nor what a woman's life is like. A normal average women i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:54 PM
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Those red flags from Chads are super easy to see They aren't. That's why they're Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:50 PM
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Except women will have no problem ignoring those red flags because they personally find him to be a Chad. Nope. You completely ignored what she said. Chads have charisma. They hide their red flags. That's how this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:05 PM
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Bad actors are a permanent reality of the human condition, and so are the good men required to restrain them. You just wrote an entire paragraph about how men are better at violence. Why wouldn't women be capable of defending women against women's violence?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:49 PM
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Actually I said "failure" in quotes. That means I don't actually think being single is a failure, but that is the word OP chose.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 11:52 AM
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just because a certain amount of men say it doesnt mean it affects women dating lives on any level. Ok, then the same applies in reverse. but just the fact she has a high body count means she has no problem getting and being with men Maybe before, but now she's hit "the wall" right?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:46 AM
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Quoting the OP directly is not a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:18 AM
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My point is even if we assume what you're saying is true Have you ever read this sub or any dating sub where unsuccessful men congregate? They talk about it all the time. those women are still going to be approached by other men Based on what? Unsuccessful men who bitch constantly about how they have no options won't even approach them. Who are these dudes clamoring to go after these women? maybe they aren't the ones getting approached by women Why would women approach? These men have made it ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:00 AM
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Maybe because women are the choosers Nope. You just said "you can't choose someone who doesn't want you in the first place." These men don't want those women in the first place. Ergo, those women cannot choose them. So why aren't those men held accountable like OP experts women to?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:27 AM
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I'm pretty clearly saying that these men openly state they don't want to date any of the women I listed. So, by your logic, they are just as accountable for their loneliness as you claim women should be for theirs. The only response you have so far is "nuh uh"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:18 AM
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You can't choose someone who doesn't want you in the first place. That's exactly right. These women are being demonized for not choosing men like the ones who post on this sub and subs like it, but those men don't want those women in the first place. So why are they not held accountable while women are?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:05 AM
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Except these unchosen men don't choose those women. They say so all the time. They are just as accountable for their "failure" as you claim women are for theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:56 AM
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Men can choose single mothers, fat women, ugly women, women who have fucked a lot of guys, women who go to clubs, women who wear revealing clothes, women who post thirst traps on social media, drug addicts, ex cons, gold diggers, etc. Their "failure" is no more virtuous than women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:48 AM
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Nah, I just believe facts over conspiracy theories.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:27 PM
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Nobody said that. Next, assume only the top ~20% of men are attractive enough to consistently get matches Yep, somebody said that. The OP in fact. Argue within premise at hand I did. Sorry if that's inconvenient to your narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:18 PM
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The fallacy is believing that women can only be attracted to the top 20% of men. That's plainly false.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:04 PM
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Its not though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:00 PM
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Next, assume only the top ~20% of men are attractive enough to consistently get matches Why would I assume that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 07:57 PM
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That doesn't make it less bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 12:55 AM
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like the Swipestats dataset Swipestats is self selected data. The majority of people who are having success in online dating aren't going to care what their exact percentage is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:44 PM
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The entitlement to women red pillers frequently express is rape culture. Not getting laid didn't make them entitled, they already were entitled. MGTOW don't actually go their own way. They bitch endlessly about women just like red pillers do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:24 PM
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I'm aware of what the Pareto Principle is and yes, red pill has always argued that women were all going for the same small percentage of top men, even before they called it the 80/20 rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 11:37 AM
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The question is based on a faulty premise, as I explained in my reply. There's also no conceivable way to quantify women's diversity in preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:49 AM
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Do you think that 51% or more of women who seek a male partner have enough diversity in their ideal preferences More manipulation since there is no moral or ethical requirement for women to have a specified amount of diversity in the partner of choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:28 AM
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narrow tastes of wanting taller men Another perfect example of red pill manipulation. Most men want women with large breasts, but it would be absurd to say men ONLY want women with large breasts. Meanwhile, men genuinely do often prefer fat women, or unusually tall women, or women with small breasts and so on. Are we discussing what fetishes you can find or what men at large prefer? No, I am talking about the old fashioned kind of hypergamy And this is the motte and bailey argument. Every single…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 04:26 AM
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BP assumes there’s no overlap or they downplay it. The first part is a lie and the second part is another great example of red pill manipulation. There’s no way you can tell me that the majority of women prefer greater than 50% of men collectively. That is a meaningless statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:34 AM
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Women have very narrow tastes. The fallacy is believing they all have the same narrow tastes. They swipe right on only 5% of men, The fallacy is believing they swipe right on the same 5% of men. They are also hypergamous in every single country Thank you for pointing out another form of red pill manipulation, who routinely argue that a woman simply dating a man who is taller than her makes her hypergamous. So how is the redpill wrong? See above.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 03:33 AM
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Sure, women are pickier and attracted to a smaller percentage of men. The red pill manipulation is claiming that women are attracted to the same small percentage of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:13 AM
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Red pill falsely claims that women must be preferring the same minority of men. That is manipulative.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:12 AM
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This is like reading the Bible and claiming that you don't understand why people can view Christianity as intolerant. It doesn't really matter what is written down if red pillers themselves behave differently. When I talk about red pill being manipulative, I largely mean the rhetoric they use to justify their ideology. The easiest example is the 80/20 rule which is literally debunked by the same survey they use to justify it. This isn't even in dispute, the very source they claim proves the 80/2…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 01:53 AM
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I think labels are descriptive not prescriptive. If that's how they want to identify it doesn't bother me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:07 PM
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Women don't talk like they're secretly gay. Indeed, one of the chief complaints on this sub is how women are attracted to attractive men. But I can tell you as a bi man, there are a ton of straight-identifying dudes who like sucking dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:12 PM
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Womens problematic views on male bisexuality are well documented tho all over the internet. Speaking as a bi man, I find men's views on male bisexuality, including those held by red pillers, much more damaging and dangerous. This still does not equate to women believing all or even most men are secretly gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:10 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1t74wgn/when_will_people_admit_that_masturbating_to/ https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1t9zigg/what_exactly_motivates_women_to_have_sex_with_men/ Here's two. There's at least two others I can't find since I didn't comment on them and they've since been deleted.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 06:08 PM
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1/3 of gen z women already identify as queer. If the trend continues queer women may very well become the majority someday. Not only does this misunderstand what queer means, it also misunderstands how trends and statistics work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:41 PM
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But then how could you even blame men when cis women seem even more insecure about the normalization of male bisexuality. I've yet to see post after post from women claiming that all men are secretly gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:38 PM
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I guess it's a step up from when red pillers were claiming that women were secretly fucking their dogs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 05:36 PM
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Is this the red pill version of "would you love me if I was a worm?"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:25 PM
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Where are so many women justified in hating men? Why are they justified? One thing I have noticed is that women who actually hate men (that is, hate as normal people use the word and not simply criticizing men) want to get away from men. But men who hate women seemingly still expect women to give them sex and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:09 PM
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Yes, people can have different opinions based on how they feel about someone. My wife grabbing my butt is cute and playful. A random person grabbing my butt is violating and illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 03:50 PM
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The onus is on an individual to take control of their own outcomes That is meaningless. That is true of virtually every social movement. Feminism also empowers women to take action. It's also not true, since there is no personal action in "women only want the top 20% of men and will ride the cock carousel until they hit the wall and get alpha widowed and then they beta bucks some average dude", yet those are also core tenets of red pill. That is all TRP is. Yes, there is The Anger Phase. Misogyn…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:49 AM
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Answering a question with a question isn't actually answering it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:22 AM
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Not only does that not answer my question, you also ignored the first question I answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:19 AM
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It doesn’t matter whether or not the women want those DM’s Yes it does. Women can't control what men do. You are absolutely in control of your own behavior. By your logic, if a man flashed a woman, you would be entitled to ask a woman to flash you. Hell, my wife has had her patients' dads hit on her. So by your logic, I can go out to the bar and hit on women. hose men are extra-relational branches for women after the likely eventual dissolution of their current relationship Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:18 AM
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I'm sorry, you don't get to ignore my questions and then ask me to answer yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:11 AM
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See also: "Must be a horny cock monster but only once I start dating her"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:08 AM
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If women are being flooded with interested DMs etc, then men should be able to strike up conversations in an attractive way with women The fallacy is believing women want these DMs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:06 AM
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That is why I asked for clarification. Simply talking to a woman is clearly not cheating. I'll let you in on a secret; you're allowed to talk to women even if your girlfriend isn't dressing in a way you don't approve of or going to clubs. OP clearly stated that men should be allowed to "approach" women, which is not merely conversing with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:01 AM
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So basically if a woman dresses in a way you, posts a picture, or goes to a place you don't personally approve of, that is tantamount to cheating. Have I got that right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:57 PM
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How does this answer my question? I don't need drugs or alcohol to go see a John Wick movie but that's still not appropriate for kids. Does that make it cheating too?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:56 PM
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They don't understand that that's actually one of the key differences between feminism and red pill (or other manosphere sects). Feminism is constantly discussing and scrutinizing their ideology and debating it internally and changing things as needed. That's literally why feminism is divided into "waves". Red pill does not do that. They are using virtually the same arguments they were 15 years ago and even earlier, before it was ever called red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:55 PM
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If "bluepillers" basically all agree that there are no valid criticisms of leftist gender ideology Nobody has argued that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:53 PM
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Hold up, you are equating going to a club as being the same as hitting on other women for dating/sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:49 PM
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Why not accept that what you perceive as desire, lust, and arousal is not the only permissible form of desire, lust, and arousal?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:03 PM
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There's a growing segment of red pillers who are convinced women are secretly lesbians. One dudes was making posts like that here every few days. You see, because if women aren't horny for those men, then the only explanation is that they are lesbians.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 07:02 PM
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Uhh maybe because the app assumes they're a bot because why else would someone instantly swipe right on everybody?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 04:56 AM
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What's wrong with it? Anal is common but not that common and many women try it once and find they don't like it and so they don't want to do it again. That fits exactly what red pillers talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 02:16 AM
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No, this is just lazy, unsupported red pill myth making. things have drastically changed in the last ten years. Yeah that's what red pillers were saying 15 years ago too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:57 AM
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Of course you do. There’s uggos, fatties, poors, crazies, druggies, mommies and mercenaries They're not swiping right on these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 12:43 AM
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“Hey, it’s a bit chilly out here" "Did you say chilly, chili, or Chile? I would like to use the historical context to discern what you mean, but apparently we can't do that."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:09 PM
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Conversations do not exist in a vacuum. In no other circumstance are you expected to interpret communication completely devoid of cultural context, why are men questioning feminists a special case?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:03 PM
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Why? Like if the conversation goes the same way 99% of the time, why is it up to the person responding to dissect what they actually mean and not the person asking to understand the context and history of what they're asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 05:49 PM
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No, I'm not, and you knew that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:56 PM
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Why would I be the exception?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:27 AM
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I am surrounded by married couples with kids, including being part of a married couple with a kid. That's how I know it's bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:25 AM
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There's nothing to back up that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:23 AM
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*People change after kids Sorry, unless you're in the top 0.1% of men, a woman will always, always prioritize her kids No, women generally do not neglect their children just because their husband is hot. Also, when you have kids, his priority is the kids too. You will be seen as childish and immature if you want sex more than once a week because there's not enough time anymore. Once a week is actually the optimistic scenario. If you want to have hobbies that are not about the kids, you will be s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 06:22 AM
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No, I didn't say that was true nor did I ever indicate that's what I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:29 AM
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Where did I say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:25 AM
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dang i cant date im too short" Why couldn't he date because he's too short?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:22 AM
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why would you bother posting this overly exaggerated incelish rant? I didn't say anything about incels. I said these comments and comments like them are why people will respond with "you're misogynistic, insecure, and entitled."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:11 AM
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Pretending that the majority of lonely men think like this Point out where I said this. I'll wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:04 AM
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You seem to be confusing men venting about dating with men seeking actionable advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:03 AM
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Yes I already pointed out the motte and bailey fallacy. "Women find tall men attractive" != "women have delusional standards and only want the top 20% chads and ride the cock carousel until they hit the wall and get alpha widowed and settle for an average guy to beta bucks him"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:00 AM
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What exactly is not correct? This part, for starters. because women have delusional standards and only want the top 20% chads and ride the cock carousel until they hit the wall and get alpha widowed and settle for an average guy to beta bucks him"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 12:38 AM
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He could say both and he would be correct. its just describing the immoral dating market. No he's regurgitating red pill conspiracy theories and then acting shocked when people call him out on his misogyny, entitlement, and insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:52 PM
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people act like it must mean he is lazy, entitled, misogynistic, insecure, or defective in some deeper way. No, this is a very tired and lame motte and bailey fallacy. "Dating is really hard and I'm lonely" is a near universal experience that pretty much everyone can empathize with. "Dating is really hard and I'm lonely because women have delusional standards and only want the top 20% chads and ride the cock carousel until they hit the wall and get alpha widowed and settle for an average guy to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:42 PM
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then they would also have dated him when he was younger Why would you assume that? Like setting aside the massive logistical flaw in your belief, why do you believe people should be willing to date someone at any age rather than the one they are now? My wife and I both have joked that had we met ten years before we did, there's no way we would have dated each other. People change.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:35 PM
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The red pill and red pill adjacent men should absolutely be used as a guide for red pill, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:29 PM
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So? My previous statement remains the same. As does mine. That is how children operate. Cool Oops you left off the rest that was inconvenient to your argument. It's not the specific sex act that matters but the enthusiasm that matters. Sure, she can enthusiastically fuck her new boyfriend in the ass with the strap on. But, for some reason, the guys insisting that they should get all the same sex the ex got never want to include that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:25 PM
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Everyone is allowed to set whatever requirements, standards, or boundaries they want Except that there's are completely contingent on what the believe someone else got. Oral sex is a requirement for me in a relationship. That requirement exists regardless of whether she did it for someone in the past or not. If she doesn't do it now, then we're not compatible and her having done it in the past is irrelevant. because they specifically say the partner was more sexually open and enthusiastic with a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:24 PM
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then it's absurd to talk about being "second choice."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:21 PM
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The pemise presented by OP is that your current partner isn't as sexually open or enthusiastic with you as with previous partners No, what red pillers actually argue is that their requirements for a relationship are based entirely what other men have gotten that happens to be what they want, similar to how my toddler doesn't want a toy until another kid starts playing with it. This "settling" narrative is plainly bullshit because these same men who are so adamant that a woman that any sex act sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:56 PM
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That's the craziest part, these weren't even requirements these guys have for the women they date until they hear that some other guy got it before. Like, if anal and threesomes are requirements for these guys' relationship, then whether she did it before or not is irrelevant. I also think it's fascinating how quickly this rule disappears when it comes to things like pegging.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 03:46 PM
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