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Average man versus one singular man...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 11:54 PM
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You pulled an example of ONE man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:45 PM
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I'd like you to respond to the rest of my comment if you don't mind. What's the point in engaging with you if you just refuse to reply to the things you can't refute.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:57 PM
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So you have no clue what the average male experience is like on dating apps. Make a profile for one of your male friends and get back to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:55 PM
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Not birth defects, the average male experience on dating apps. And there is nothing chosen about a shy or autistic man having trouble in social situations. Nor a man who feels his presence is unwanted because of decades of gender war gaslighting. If this conversation were about women, I'd bet you'd have empathy for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:31 PM
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As a man like that, they do if you pretend to not be like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:29 PM
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Wouldn't this also include autistic men who are great people but just shy? And also men who aren't attractive enough to make it on dating apps? And also men who leave women alone and don't get approached? Like, I shower. I clean myself. I make money. But I'm single, and that's because I have sexual trauma from multiple women, meaning I am too afraid to approach. Most women I'm friends with have told me some version of "any girl would be lucky to have you", and yet - very few women actually make …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 07:45 PM
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Well I just completely disagree here. You don't really know someone until you live with them. Getting divorced has some pretty significant consequences, infamously with finances in particular. I will only marry a woman once I have been living with her for at least 3 to 6 months. I don't care how long the relationship has been going on, if I haven't lived with you for an extended period of time, I don't think it's smart to wrap my exit strategy in red tape.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:52 PM
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It was feminist women that fought to get rape to include male victims in the legal definition. So it is strange to blame feminists for not taking male rape victims seriously. They helped when it was male perpetrators, and chose to do nothing when it was female perpetrators, who make up the majority of perpetrators against men. Mary Koss - a renowned feminist - is the reason why the CDC still uses the old definition - specifically stating that she doesn't believe that rape is something that men e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/26 12:35 PM
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The 2016 NISVS indicates how many perpetrators of each gender there are. That's why I use it. If you combine sexual coercion and MTP into rape statistics, that's how you get the math. Men are the majority of rapists, we don't need to use deceptive statistics to inflate the number. As far as the difference, yes they are different. But they are both the same crime. If I were killed by a hunting rifle from 300m away with a shot to the back of my head, and I never even knew I was in danger, that wou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/26 11:58 AM
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And my point is that when a woman picks a man, she's picking the man who's going to be taking care of her while she's pregnant, there with her while she's in labor, and taking care of her and her child while she's in diapers and as she recovers. So she's naturally going to be more selective than a man picking a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:24 AM
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Thus, there is a huge incentive for the father to be a GOOD father or else he doesn't get to be a parent at all, BECUASE the physical contribution is just a nut. Hence why women are more selective of their partners. Women make the sacrifice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:13 PM
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Brother what
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:12 PM
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Here's the math. To have offspring, women need to: Have sex Fight through hormonal changes, cravings, etc. Be sick. Every day. For 9 months - though this is rather front-loaded, I hear the first trimester is the worst when it comes to sickness. That's just what I've heard from women I know. Quit drinking and smoking entirely. Even quit some medications - some of which are, well, important. Go through tremendous changes to their body - restricting the things you're able to do, for a very long tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:04 PM
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Thank you for saying this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:47 AM
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It wasn't my parents. It was my teachers, guidance counselors, babysitters, and therapists. My parents are also fairly emotionally stunted. But yes, I believe the shame and fear would be much less.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:51 AM
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For me it's sort of a different category of shame, but it's still certainly shame. I feel emasculated when I'm either made to feel that I'm bad at being a man, or when I'm made to feel that being a man in and of itself is bad. For me, this hits on trauma that I and a lot of men have around how we're raised to "be manly" only manly isn't defined, so instead of giving us guidelines we're just ruthlessly shamed and punished for anything anyone deems feminine. It reminds me of the trauma related to …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:22 PM
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A minority of both genders is good. I don't think the number is much different, if at all. 5% are saints. 10% are good.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:28 AM
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She usually replies to my comments. This is an achievement.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:32 AM
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Everybody is making good points and I'd like to add one. Men spend the majority of their upbringings being shamed, punished, and gaslit into ignoring every inconvenient emotion they have. Women do not go through this at nearly the same rate. Let's use the example of a young man who's recently come into adulthood. He will be dealing with the culture shock of no longer being a child - something to be cherished - and becoming a man - something to be avoided and treated as more hazard than human. Ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 08:15 PM
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Only if it were in the tens of thousands or above. And I'd hate every second. Happy pride, but I am simply not gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:43 AM
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Hate to break this to you, but you've fallen into a trap. Rich oligarchic men abused their power. The top 0.01% of men in power start wars and created oppression that affects us both, but used to affect you a lot more. And I'm sorry about that. But I also have nothing to do with it. I was born long after those dudes were dead. But I don't deny their influence. The most dastardly thing they did was con people like you into believing that people like me are to blame. Oligarchs created the problems…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:32 PM
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You have your order of operations wrong. Andrew Tate and the modern manosphere gained popularity after the hashtag "killallmen" trended multiple times. Those guys literally just took women's words, showed it to the next generation of boys, and then poof, the boys don't want to help you anymore. Shocker. When a woman says "the male suicide rate is too low" and no woman objects, the boys who see that will grow up to resent women. That's just how people work. I hate it, and you hate it, but it's tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:31 PM
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People in relationships have sex, no?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:35 PM
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Sure. You said it in your post when you said that being kind would help men in dating. Dating sometimes includes sex, as you know. I'm not using a woman for sex or faking being kind. I just want a partner. The answer to all of your questions in your second paragraph is I'm not, and no. I want to work with a woman to build a relationship that sometimes includes sex. Being kind has not helped whatsoever in that regard. But every asshole with more red flags than Tianenmen Square I knew in high scho…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:27 PM
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Women did. Women taught me that, by telling me that they prefer kind men for dating, which is an activity that sometimes includes getting laid. Wait, I'm confused. Since when does being kind help men in dating? Being kind has only led to being walked all over and treated like an emotional pincushion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:17 PM
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No, I wouldn't. Would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:07 PM
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Women did. Not that she'll reward you with sex, but that being a kind person will yield dividends when dating a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:06 PM
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Red flags are not always before the relationship starts, they can also develop over time. Also, not all divorces are due to red flags, prenups are only partially related. This isn't a very good comparison. You're comparing filtering people and detecting red flags versus creating safeguards in case of divorce. A better analogy would be "if men want women to see red flags they shouldn't be butthurt when women end up being extremely selective"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:50 PM
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SOME red flags are easy to spot. Strangely, I've noticed that men with those obvious, glaring, swinging red flags that have already knocked multiple things off of the table - never have trouble getting dates. Prenups and paternity tests are much more of a red flag "seatbelt" than doing anything to avoid red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 11:42 PM
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For some yeah. Dating as a man is grueling in ways that cannot be put into words. You can work on yourself for as long as you'd like, but that doesn't guarantee results in the slightest. Anything above 0% is an absolute achievement in modern dating for men. Some men have taken this fact and come up with an idea: "I have a strategy that works 1% of the time. Therefore, I shall simply ask out 100 women." As far as the clip goes, yeah I hate that guy and honestly expected more women to reject him f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:08 PM
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I agree - my overall stance is that for these men that say "it's too hard" 10 times too many are past the point where it's difficult to return from and our efforts would be better spent reducing future trauma on our boys and destigmatizing therapy - as therapy is pretty much the only way out for those men. Those two things are things that women could absolutely help with
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 01:18 AM
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Can we also acknowledge that women cannot make it any easier? I actually have good news here - women could absolutely make it easier. Women are the main demographic that contributes to stunting our boys. Those people that told me that boys don't cry, that punished me for showing inconvenient emotions, and that beat the empathy out of me and replaced it with toxic masculinity? There was about 10 women for every 1 man in that group, and that's a conservative estimate when it came to me and my frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 10:37 PM
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Make the conversation about men's issues more about helping them work through their issues instead of telling them that it's their fault and they should have it fixed by now and that they're defective human beings that if given a choice as to what to encounter on a hiking trail are a less preferable option to a predatory wild animal known for eating its prey ass first while it's still alive. And stop the people who stunt boys - stop them from letting boys get away with shit that girls wouldn't, …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:52 PM
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Which is the result of social conditioning that started when I was 5 and continued until I was large and imposing enough that the people performing this conditioning were too afraid to say those things to my face anymore. And now I'm an adult and suddenly I've switched from a child - something to be cherished - and become just some man - something to be avoided and treated as more of a hazard than a human. It was legitimately a culture shock moment. Even if the stigma stopped TODAY, I wouldn't b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:22 PM
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Because we don't have to push a fully formed human being out of our genitals to create a child
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 01:26 AM
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I'm not really into anal either so that's no problem for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 11:53 AM
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This just in: People who are larger have to eat more calories
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/26 03:37 PM
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That's probably on the materials and methods page, I think it's in the introductory pages.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/26 02:58 PM
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Let me save you the time. For this one, it was a self reported survey. For the legal system, that is determined by a jury on a case-by-case basis.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/26 12:46 PM
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"Rape is any completed or attempted unwanted vaginal (for women), oral, or anal penetration through the use of physical force (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threats to physically harm and includes when the victim was too drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent. Rape is separated into three types: completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, and completed alcohol- or drug-facilitated penetration. Among women, rape includes vagina…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/26 11:30 AM
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Because of studies like the NISVS using an outdated definition for rape that requires the victim be the one being penetrated, entirely shuttering male victims of rape by women from the definition. (https://www.cdc.gov/nisvs/documentation/nisvsReportonSexualViolence.pdf) The NISVS still talks about "men being made to penetrate" - because they won't even use the word "forced", they ignore male victims so much that they can't even use perpetrator language to describe the act of rape. But if you go …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/26 08:11 PM
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I'd never cheat but that's just me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 11:58 PM
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Oh I still live up to my values, I still call shitty men out and I fight for pro choice causes often. I still try to help women as a group in ways that I can, I just take breaks from helping every time a woman tells me my experience with sexual abuse doesn't matter or tries to make it about them. In order to keep my enthusiasm I need to be treated like a person. My values stay, but my enthusiasm wavers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 07:57 PM
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Wild pfp to have with that statement Not disagreeing just, well, iykyk
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 07:00 PM
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I was raped by a woman and I don't talk like this. 3,218,000 men were victims of attempted or completed forced sex by women in 2019 and I don't talk like this, though I do voice concerns about such being swept under the rug, which is why I have to say "forced sex". Because when y'all do it to us, it apparently doesn't count, and the studies that do exist use euphemisms like "made to penetrate" to specifically and categorically erase the stories of men like me. Respectful conversation is the only…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:34 PM
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You did it. You just did the thing that he quoted feminists complaining about men doing. You read it, understood it, and still did it. We can't have a respectful conversation about these kinds of topics until stuff like this stops. Your point is valid. But it's also not this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 06:23 PM
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Yeah that's how consent works mate
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 02:58 PM
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Right, being screamed at every day was definitely coddling. Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:46 PM
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Because women who "don't want relationships or marriage" often do/did want those things but gave up on pursuing them due to how horrible the experience is. For those that truly don't want relationships or marriage, it's not like they have the ability to just opt out of being pursued, catcalled, and assaulted by men. Additionally, feminism is not inescapably intertwined with the dating scene. Plenty of rights that women fight for have nothing to do with dating, marriage, or having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 01:31 PM
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So 62 million visits - I was led to believe that it was 62 million individual men who were users specifically for SAM with no mention of female users or other content whatsoever. Granted, that's still a staggering number - but it's bloated and impossible to quantify in a way that is actionable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 11:07 PM
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Brother, men don't value themselves. This wouldn't fix anything. Maybe we stop punishing every inconvenient emotion they show first?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 12:09 PM
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Because they don't like neither men nor children. Have you met a woman? They love kids. And they love men too - but they love intelligent, peaceful, protective, supportive men, and not republican, hateful, bigoted, boys who blame their problems in dating on women instead of working to make themselves better. So much for being the so-called more "empathetic", "caring" gender. You can only have so much empathy for people who would never offer it in turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:34 PM
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Living in the most women-centric society in the history of mankind and it's still not enough. You must be a Trump supporter. Women have been lifted up in the past, yes. This trend you're describing isn't women being unpleasable, it's women finally having enough freedom to decide for themselves whether they have children or a husband. And they're choosing to have neither, why do you think that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:26 PM
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Pensions won't exist by the time they're old enough to recieve one. Because of Trump supporters and people like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:23 PM
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Considering how much work, time, pain, and sanity goes into raising a kid... Not having children is the smart choice. It's just that we have to accept that dumber people won't make that same choice, and will become the main demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:20 PM
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Indoctrination and ideology are the main factors, but those are both correlated with higher activity in the fear centers of the brain, which has genetic factors. And of course those kids will be consuming similar media to their parents, which keeps the cycle going. Whether it's brain chemistry or how a kid is raised (both being factors in future ideology), both of those roads lead to Idiocracy if smarter, less indoctrinated people stop having children while indoctrinated people continue to do so…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 12:10 PM
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Currently, Trump supporters are the most fertile demographic. In fact, there is a linear correlation with how stupid someone is and how likely they are to have more children. The dumber someone is, the more kids they have. And then those kids are raised on their parents' ideas. If all of the smart people stop having kids, dumb people will dominate future generations. Idiocracy is a satirical movie about this exact occurrence, which has become more relevant in recent years due to its uncanny para…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:58 AM
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Entirely agree. But a part of me dies whenever a liberal woman says she wants to be child free, because this is how Idiocracy starts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 11:51 AM
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It's both. There are no truly hardwired behaviors, even reproduction isn't guaranteed to be a desire or behavior, considering asexual people exist. There are trends of course, but it's more supposed to construct it than that we give it credit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/26 05:56 PM
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The way you get men to care more about rape is to care about men who were raped. If you don't support them, you'll get that energy returned.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/26 03:36 PM
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I would probably give the kid up for adoption. I would be inclined to raise the child if she paid her child support on time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:41 PM
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Maybe to you. Not everyone is that fortunate. It gets very expensive very fast. Wait a minute - let me get this straight. You don't consider it expensive due to your fortune and you're STILL unwilling to even pay half?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:50 PM
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I mostly agree. Obviously you shouldn't be touching random people or trying to discover their boundaries by crossing common ones and seeing how they react. Pretty sure you believe that too but still feel it needs to be said
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:41 PM
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Getting an expensive education absolutely will make you more likely to get the job. The recruiter will have more reason to offer you the position. More LIKELY. More REASON. But never "If I do X, you ought to do Y." ust like how a pretty woman who puts in effort will get more guys willing to pay for her. Yes. More. Not SHOULD. You only pay for dinner for your wife? Wow, that’s stingy. I only pay for dinner for people I know. Not engaging with the rest of your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:38 PM
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My definition of pushing boundaries kinda depends. In a sentence, it's: "Attempting to coerce a person into flexing or ignoring one of their established and communicated boundaries."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:26 PM
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Women spend hours getting ready, using expensive products because they want to appeal to the man Which is a personal choice that I've never once asked someone to do. Me getting an expensive education before the interview shouldn't put the onus on the recruiter to offer me the job. he isn’t fulfilling his respective role in putting his best foot forward. You sitting there and being pretty isn't your role. If we're throwing this conversation back to before feminism, your role is to, at the absolut…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:06 PM
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Very few people view other people's experiences as on par with their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:40 PM
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I've never advocated for a cold approach. I think that you're right, that cold approach is a thing of the past. I sure as hell wouldn't do it. Maybe there's a circumstance in which I would, but I've never been there. The men you're talking about probably think it's good because it's better than dating apps. That is probably true. Doesn't mean I'm going to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 08:05 PM
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Drinks are less expensive, less fancy, and most importantly, they just feel like less of a commitment. If I'm just meeting you, I want the bare minimum level of commitment so far so that it doesn't hurt as much if it doesn't go well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 07:59 PM
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So does everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 12:36 PM
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I don't want a submissive woman, but I do understand that the trend exists. I think it's there for the same reason as to why a lot of women prefer dominant men. It's just what our society incentivizes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 12:33 PM
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Depends on the guy of course but for me it's: Be there when I'm sad and comfort me when I need it. Won't be too often but there are times I just need a shoulder Show appreciation Put in a comparable amount of resources that I do Be patient because it's difficult for me to share emotions with women Frequency of sex isn't huge so long as she's initiating at times too and it's not so infrequent that I'm left feeling unwanted or unappreciated. The best thing a woman can actively do in my eyes is to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 02:15 AM
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So long as my life is better with you than without you, it's fine
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 02:01 AM
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Don't need it. Personally I don't even want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 08:45 PM
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But what if I don't like casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 05:37 PM
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Which is why I specifically responded to where you said: "There should be no draft" - which isn't a great response because it's like the "nobody should hit anybody" response after men bring up how society often allows women to get away with beating their partners. And where you said that most rapes against men are committed by men, which isn't true unless you choose to use an exclusionary definition for rape. This started with you using the phrase "benevolent sexism", which is a phrase commonly …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:28 PM
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Criminal sentencing should be the same, but justice is not blind. I agree that in a perfect world a draft wouldn't exist, but we do not live in a perfect world. If a draft has to exist, would you support drafting women as well? I would, considering men's biological advantage doesn't help in a significant number of military roles now. Studies say that men are more likely to be raped by other men because they don't count female on male rape as rape. They call it "made to penetrate", which is large…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 01:21 PM
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I agree with pretty much everything you've said. Nothing you've said goes against the idea that male victims of nonconsensual sex by women are rape victims. If you want to categorize it as something different, that is your right - but the law should not be so, as the actions are too similar - merely differentiated by the mechanical differences in different kinds of genitals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 02:14 AM
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I understand that is the currently accepted definition. I reject that definition - as it can easily be used to postulate that men commit 99% of all rapes, even rapes against men, and then easily lead to the argument that men are to be treated as sex pests by default. That's the entire reason I'm here. Your definition excludes most male victims of nonconsensual sex, and is the generally accepted definition. I seek to change that - as a male victim, I should not be treated differently from female …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 01:30 AM
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The thing about that is, rape is non-consensual sex. MTP, which is most often perpetrated by women against men, is also rape by the letter of the law (it does not specify whether victim or perpetrator is the one being penetrated, just that penetration occurs) However, studies like the NISVS choose to neglect this fact, and instead focus on male-on-female rape almost exclusively.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/26 12:38 AM
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If the government pays for child care, divorce wouldn't matter. It would be the number of children. Ideally it would work the same way EBT does. If we threw out every program that the government has ever made because it could be used in ways that it isn't intended to, it would be a much darker world. Social security wouldn't exist, food stamps wouldn't exist, welfare wouldn't exist, Medicare wouldn't exist, Medicaid wouldn't exist, etc. starvation would be a common cause of death in the United S…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 05:15 PM
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Because then they can spend it on other stuff, like a proper education, vacations and life experiences for their kids to have fun childhoods, and so that middle class couples won't have to worry about a child breaking their financial security. Poor people do not hoard wealth. They spend it - which is an economic catalyst. The biggest lie that is currently told in our society is that money spent on social programs disappears. It does not. It reenters the economy in other ways, like people spendin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 04:58 PM
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Thank you for your comment
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 08:26 PM
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Yes, on average women are more emotionally intelligent. Not just that, according to this source, women consistently outperform men in this regard. Men's physicality over women isn't even at that level of consistency - as there are actions (swimming, endurance running) where women take the edge. On average, men are more physically strong - but that of course, there are plenty of weak men and strong women. But it's absolutely within the realm of provability. Text chains, videos of women taking men…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 07:00 PM
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As a society we all kind of expect people to understand how their actions could Potentially unfold so yeah there would be less tolerance for males hitting because it’s no secret that if they do (especially towards any individual far weaker than them so women, children and even some weaker smaller men) the acceptance in terms of humanising Interesting point. I'd like to ask you a question: Men care a lot more about how they're viewed in the eyes of women than women do for men or men do for other …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 06:34 PM
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I agree that mental trauma will Last longer than physical pain however I think the mental trauma is going to be greater in cases where there was also physical pain. Yes, and as I have already covered, 70% of victims of nonreciprocal physical violence from their partners are men, 50% of victims of "particularly severe abuse" are men, and 38% of cases of abuse that results in injury are men. All of these involve physical pain, and at times great bodily injury. People should get the same sentence f…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 06:17 PM
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I disagree that in terms of outcomes it’s just as bad So I don’t think you could apply the definition or even a punishment equally. I have both male and female friends who have been victims of domestic violence, rape, every crime under the sun. I've always been empathetic to them, and treated them equally. When someone is physically abused, I haven't ever heard anyone say that the physical pain was the pain that hurt the most. It's the mental trauma that has the lasting effects, not the bruises.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 05:53 PM
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It's not just that I don't want to be seen as a sex object. I don't want to be seen as if sex is the driving factor of my existence. I've been raped - and people (mostly women) dismiss it, because apparently men always want it so it's 'different'. I've been sexually assaulted - and people (again, in my experience mostly women) dismiss it, because men like that shit apparently. No, no I do not, my consent is not implied, you are not allowed to use me to cop a feel because of what's in my pants. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 02:01 PM
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I just have to reject the "most male rape victims have male perpetrators" point. It's touted by most media and studies, so you'd think it's true, until you actually read the studies: The NISVS - one of the largest studies of its kind - defines rape in a way that excludes male victims of women - specifically, they define rape as requiring the victim be the one penetrated, which mechanically is not how women rape. They also exclude sexual coercion for some reason. But if you take rape, rape throug…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:43 PM
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I've personally talked a lot in the past with feminists about how male victims of sex crimes are treated by studies and governments across the globe, and they've pretty much responded by agreeing with said studies and governments, which is strange. So I've always made sure to let them know that, well, if you don't have an issue with sex crimes when the victim is male, the sex crime wasn't the part you have a problem with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/26 09:23 PM
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Yes. It makes it boring for me. -EDIT- what I mean is the over-the-top fake orgasm noises. I prefer real pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 12:32 PM
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Looks are what get me to approach/swipe right/ask her out. Personality is what gets me to buy a ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:02 AM
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I was in kindergarten the first time my emotions were shamed ruthlessly to the point of me coming to the conclusion that they are entirely unwelcome, and me beginning to compartmentalize everything. I'm actually uncertain if that was the first time, it's just the first I remember. And I do mean everything. Happiness, sadness, depression, love, empathy, everything except the emotions that make people too afraid to shame me in the moment - that being anger and frustration. Men have not been progra…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:26 PM
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I suppose "more important to the biological process of reproduction" is a more accurate version of what I was trying to convey.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 12:30 AM
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I meant from a purely biological standpoint
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 11:38 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 11:22 PM
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A lot of men don't answer for the men who didn't & what their reasons were. Maybe some didn't agree with her policies, and maybe some couldn't look past her being a woman, especially a woman of color. Same is true for the 52% of white women who voted for Trump. white men...MEN, not men & women. then before they allowed women to own property, they allowed any MAN to. The point there was that it was more about race and class than sex. And it is once again. and why is that? Because men are easy to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 11:22 PM
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bob might not be able to oppress me but do you think he’s open to a woman having authority over him, such as being a president? Uh, yeah. A lot of men voted for Kamala. Me included. if oppression is not a gender issue then what is it? A class issue i mean men were able to vote before women, why may have that been? Property owners were able to vote before just men - though only white men could own property. Then it was expanded to all white men, then to all men, until ultimately - to everybody. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 10:51 PM
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Women are weaker than men, physically speaking. That is a biological fact. Women are also more valuable than men from a biological standpoint, as their reproductive systems are the bottleneck for uncapped population growth. A woman can only have, at most, let's say one child per year - but a man can impregnate multiple women per day. These two facts led to a multitude of societies - particularly those based on Abrahamic religions - to keep women in the home, where they are "safe", and having men…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 10:45 PM
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Don't like her - she's more of an antifeminist than she is a men's rights advocate. She's also appeared on PragerU a couple times, like in their video on the Gender Wage Gap.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 10:12 PM
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Yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 05:13 PM
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Yes, and of course I'm not saying that lesbians and bisexual women don't experience homophobia, just that such exists at disproportionate rates against men who are gay or bisexual, and that the stigma is comparatively greater.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:23 PM
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Would just like to add that the difference in treatment of gay men and gay women is huge and I imagine that there are a lot more bi and gay men than we realize.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:30 PM
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24m. I have sexual trauma and have remained a "virgin" as a result. I have never had a consensual sexual experience. Sex to me remains more than a simple want, but I wouldn't call it a basic necessity. More a necessity for being fulfilled than a necessity for survival. Intimacy is a need for me, which I have been starving for as long as I can remember. But I'm also touch averse due to trauma, making it very complicated. I would rather never have it than make someone uncomfortable in order to get…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 04:43 PM
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Here is the crux of the problem with your post. No, you do not owe an explanation of your standards by default. But if you say the words "the bar is on the floor", you then do, indeed owe an explanation as to what you personally believe the "bare minimum" is. Because then it's not just having standards, it's you making a positive claim that needs to be backed up. Because in my experience, when someone makes BOTH claims that the bar is on the floor and that their own bar is the bare minimum, that…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 02:17 PM
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Capitalism is built on the backs of men who would never taste its fruit. Getting rid of female gender roles is a threat to traditionalism. Getting rid of male gender roles is a threat to capitalism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/26 06:45 PM
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It really does suck that the left has done so little to get men on board. We'd be in a much better country if they had.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 03:02 PM
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When asshole men reflexively call a rape allegation false, that's a man who doesn't care about survivors. It is true that there is nuance to this - I don't think these women are consciously dismissive of male survivors. But conscious or otherwise, it's just as invalidating and just as wrong. I haven't seen many people make excuses like that for men who don't care about female survivors. I see no reason why we shouldn't hold women to that same standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 02:48 PM
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You know what? You're right. Wasn't thinking about my words - it's not just ingroup bias. It's a combination of multiple things including apathy for men. Gonna edit my comment - thanks for pointing that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:02 PM
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I was raped by a woman when I was a child. I've told reddit, as well as several male and female friends. Not once have I recieved dismissiveness from men, but I have recieved it from women no less than 5 separate times. I have also been stalked and sexually assaulted by women. Again, I have never once gotten my feelings crushed or dismissed by a man. Women? Not so much. It's far from all of them, and not a majority, but the difference regarding my specific experiences between the sexes is so lar…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 09:31 PM
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For the same reason that women think that there are a lot of good women. I've been raped by a woman. I've been stalked by a different woman, threatened by a third, and sexually assaulted by several more. I have never once had a man be dismissive toward me, or tell me that my experience was meaningless compared to that of someone else. I have, however, had five separate occasions where women have told me that my experience "wasn't rape" or was otherwise less traumatic because I am not female. I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:19 PM
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Context is used as a shield by all types of bigots, and always has been. "I don't hate immigrants, just illegal ones who are lazy and live off government aid while simultaneously taking our jobs." "I don't hate black people, I just believe their culture is the reason they commit x% of the murders despite being y% of the population, so I don't feel comfortable near them." "Not all Muslims are islamic terrorists, but all islamic terrorists are muslim, so I want them banned from the country." "I do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/25 06:20 PM
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I entirely agree with that. Mankeeping, as the term is meant to be used, is only a symptom of a much greater problem - that being that our boys are raised to be employees, not people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 08:10 PM
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not how I've seen the term used most of the time. I've only ever seen it used in one of two ways: Describing a man needing emotional support occasionally and wanting his partner to add to his life, but his partner doesn't want to do that, so she calls it "mankeeping" to put a buzzword do it and make it seem like he's asking for a lot. A woman who doesn't care about her partner describing a man who also doesn't care about his partner. I have occasionally seen it used the way you describe, but tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 04:54 PM
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There's a difference between "taking care of someone" and "caring about someone". In a relationship, there is give and take - good relationships involve both sides contributing to and gaining from each other's lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 04:41 PM
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I see where you're coming from, but I'm gonna have to disagree there. Men do tons of emotional labor, but it's treated as just caring about their partner. Couldn't tell you how many times my friends have had to apologize to their wives for making them feel bad because they did something wrong. Or being expected to make them stuff and treat them differently when they're on their period. Or being expected to take initiative and make sure that she doesn't have to make too many decisions on her own.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 03:36 PM
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I'm entirely fine with women criticizing men as long as it's valid and doesn't solely come from a place of "girls good boys bad" and instead is based on non-hypocritical reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:56 PM
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Because your post is the same argument just mirrored?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:46 PM
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The women I surround myself with don't use that term. But that doesn't mean I never see the term used online, or used by friends of friends. The same way men who don't care about women show up. My point is that this is far from a male-specific trait. I won't argue that women do it more, but they certainly do it at similar rates. "More" would depend on the area.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:40 PM
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Wild that you make that claim in a world where women are so reluctant to care about their partner that they've started calling it "mankeeping"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 02:34 PM
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Was in your boat a bit ago. The right doesn't care about you, they're using you. They're on the side of corporations, who have been luring men with the promise of purpose and fulfillment but abusing the shit out of us since the 1700s. You're a men's advocate, so are we. So I want you to understand our other positions so that we can have a better chance of organizing and changing it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/25 11:55 AM
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By this logic, Harvey Weinstein is proof that all men are rapists, and Donald Trump is proof that all men are power hungry pedophiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 01:42 PM
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From what I've learned, it looks like women just want a guy who's hot, makes them feel safe, and makes their life easier. They claim that looks don't matter, but they do. Just as much as they matter to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:13 PM
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As a man, I don't agree. Men are starved for attention and touch - and are purposefully emotionally stunted and gaslit into believing that our emotions are a burden to everyone around us, so we're better off being alone. Then, a combination of adulthood and reality sets in, and we realize that this is not a sustainable model - only we have no idea how to actually have a healthy emotional response to most things. This, combined with the fact that everybody has their guard up around us 24/7, makes…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 07:18 PM
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It's made me feel a lot better about my struggles. And it's significantly offset the stress from constantly being told dismissive things by people who don't understand. Acknowledging it is the first step toward changing or at least easing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 06:12 PM
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Fuck, I want to disagree but I can't. I have to hand you this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 05:56 PM
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Humans are a very interesting species. We aren't particularly fast, aren't particularly strong, are particularly susceptible to disease and the elements, and our brains use more calories just by existing than most wild animals know what to do with. Our process of reproduction is incredibly slow and simply awful for the females of our species, and even modern technology hasn't been able to eliminate the fact that it is often debilitating or deadly. On top of that, our offspring range from a huge …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 05:51 PM
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First of all, you set your own standards. There's no brainwashing, you're either ok with low quality women or you aren't. I cannot tell you how many basement dwelling losers I've met who won't settle for a low quality woman. Allow me to clarify - I don't think it's an equal percentage, rather an equal number. Less men are dating than ever, and losers with high standards are a large reason for why. Your second point, as much as I'd like to disagree, you're correct, but there are still a hell of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 05:33 PM
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On top of everything else, I feel the need to add: women are unapproachable these days. If I go to a place with the intent of approaching a woman, I am looking for a woman who is alone, who has open posture, isn't busy doing something, and most importantly - is relatively sober and actually appears willing to be talked to. One of those things is usually true, but it's been years since I've seen a woman with all of them. And you need all of them, or I feel that approaching at all is disrespectful…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 05:29 PM
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I have absolutely zero problem with people who have high standards. I begin to have a problem when people with high standards complain that they are struggling to find anyone who meets those standards, or believe that people who don't meet their standards are not to be valued as people, or that "the bar is in hell" because the high standards that you set are not being met. I also have a problem with people setting standards that they themselves are unwilling to meet. Unfortunately, in my experie…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 04:58 PM
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Your line is different from every other woman's line. What's completely fine for one woman is harassment to another. And I don't want to cross it. I am automatically assumed to be a creep no matter what I do. I genuinely just don't want to bother people. It takes a level of confidence that you would not believe, and I am autistic. There are few things more embarrassing than being shot down at the level which is commonplace today. "The worst she can say is no" is bullshit. A friend of mine got to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 12:12 AM
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Yeah nah, you didn't invent shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:49 AM
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Women have made plenty of things, but men have historically taken credit. The reason you're able to send me this drivel is because of a woman named Radia Perlman, the mother of the internet, and Hedy Lamarr, the woman who invented WiFi after assisting the allied powers in World War II. Perlman's work was preceded by Margaret Hamilton's code which put men on the moon - but of course, the men were the ones who took credit for such. This then begs the question - what have you invented?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:46 AM
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This is legitimately just verifiably untrue. No credible study has concluded that women are any less competent than men - and while intelligence itself tends to be very similar between the sexes, women are measurably more emotionally intelligent. (Side note - emotional intelligence =/= being more empathetic or being a better person)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:36 AM
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What would the logical rule be for men, then? If women are shallow, stupid, and incompetent, what are men? Violent, brutish, unsanitary sex pests?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 01:49 AM
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Divided men are men that don't unionize.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/25 12:29 AM
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I'm male and I'm a virgin (unless you count being assaulted by some lady when I was a child), and I've never had a long-term relationship. I definitely think that more men are virgins than they let on, and that there are also a significant number of men who have been assaulted but then subsequently gaslit into thinking it was fine and having a panic attack when a woman flirts with you is entirely normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:40 AM
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Because if men don't talk to each other, men won't know how bad they have it or have the organization to deal with such. The American revolution. The French revolution. Every successful uprising in history has started the same way: with a bunch of men in a room talking about their feelings. Keep the men from talking to each other and from discovering and voicing their grievances, and you have an obedient working class. Some call this patriarchy, but I think it's more that our economy is fueled b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/25 01:37 PM
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In a misandrists eyes, when a man does something wrong, it's a man problem. But when a woman does something wrong, it's a patriarchy problem, so that it can still be painted as a man problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/25 01:08 PM
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Obviously it depends on the man so understand this is my personal opinion. A woman becomes marriage material when I find her attractive and - more importantly - I feel safe around her. Not just safe physically or emotionally, but safe in the sense that I feel like she'd stay and that being with her doesn't feel like taking a risk. What I mean by that is I want to feel like she won't randomly jump ship or decide that I'm too good for her or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 10:56 PM
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There is plenty of silence - it's deafening in fact. I haven't seen a single post by a mainstream feminist regarding the treatment of male victims by studies and laws alike in the western world. If it was happening to women there'd be marches, and yet I've seldom encountered a blog post about it. Feminism has already changed laws - this one would be as simple as changing the wording of a study that has already been massively influenced by the feminist cause. As for what I've done, I've made foru…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:20 PM
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This one in particular because it is meaningful to me directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:30 PM
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Men used to do the same exact things to women during the suffrage movements and they still carried on. White people fought against repealing Jim Crow laws in the south and they still carried on. Yes, and that was bad. Feminists should not be like pre-suffrage men or jim crow white people. They should be in favor of equality like they claim to be. I shouldn't have to ask feminists not to defend or turn a blind eye to rape culture. I feel that it is quite an unreasonable ask for a largely female c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:12 PM
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Every time I try to it gets filled with incels and opposed by feminists. Movements in their infancy attract extremes and find greater opposition due to the world's resistance to change, even positive change. I feel that it's not unreasonable to ask feminists - the equality movement with a track record of fighting for equality for more than 100 years - to be in favor of equal representation under the law and under studies. I don't feel like I'm asking for much, a viral enough blog post from a mai…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 01:30 PM
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Thank you for understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:57 PM
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Oh don't get me wrong, there is a difference. But they are the same crime. Being shot in the head from 200 yards away without ever being aware of the danger, and being stabbed and bleeding out over several minutes are entirely different experiences, but they are both still murder. Nuance of specific cases is to be considered by judges and juries. Not lawmakers. Making them separate crimes with separate sentences helps nobody but the rapist, and hurts nobody but the victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:52 PM
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The definition is triggering to me because I was raped by a woman when I was a child, and am strangely not included in rape statistics. There's already a ludicrous amount of impostor syndrome related to being victimized. Being told that I'm "not a real victim" only adds to that, as well as the divide of course leading to initiatives that are solely focused on female victims while entirely leaving male victims out to dry. Including men and accepting that they can be victims does not take anything…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:45 PM
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Yes, yes it is. And while I consider myself a feminist, I hesitate to align myself with the larger movement due to their silence and inaction regarding such.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:59 PM
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There was never a determination made that women were the "true victims." This is technically true but is not the whole truth. She has said in the past: "Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statuses, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders. It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman." She never states that female victims of males ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 06:46 PM
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Mary Koss and feminists like her are the reason why men still don't have equal representation in how definitions for rape and sexual assault are defined in studies and laws across the US and the world. She is an advisor to the CDC, FBI, Congress, and researchers around the world - and has used this platform to define rape as requiring penetration, meaning a large majority of male victims of forced sexual activity are entirely and intentionally not considered victims of such. This then manufactur…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 01:33 PM
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And for men, yes it's a desert but usually the one you match with are actually interested. This is completely false. I've had about 10 matches over the year and a half I've been on the apps, and only a single one of them wanted to go on a date. 3 randomly stopped texting, 4 were prostitutes (I respect the hustle but it ain't what I'm there for), and the rest were text scammers trying to get money from me. The analogy about women in the swamp versus men in the desert is only accurate once you con…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:48 PM
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I understand where you're coming from - hell, it's a lot better than work. But it has the same drawbacks - if I ask someone out and it goes terribly, I wouldn't want to go back to that place again - which sucks, because I always end up caring about the 'common goal' you mentioned in places I've volunteered in the past. I'm autistic and a trauma victim so a significant portion of my energy is spent on avoiding awkward situations. I've had therapy for it and I'm a lot better now but that sort of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:31 PM
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I haven't placed blame anywhere, literally all I've done is tell you my experience and ask what your subsequent recommendation would be considering the fact that dating apps are ineffective.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:19 PM
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Cool - so what would you recommend for me - a man who cannot get a date on a dating app? Where do I go? Also - the people you saw have success, how many of them were women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:13 PM
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I seldom get a single match per month on dating apps - when I do, there's about a 70% chance that they're a bot, escort, or scammer. Only one of my matches has actually been willing to go on a date. I have consulted female friends of mine, and multiple subreddits, and they've given me advice - which I've taken - and did improve my matches to what they are today - that being still pretty much jack shit. My friends now say I'm doing nothing wrong and that they don't understand why I'm doing so poo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:08 PM
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I'd never date a coworker. My friends are either married or lesbians. At a volunteering space, I wouldn't date people there for the same reason as work. My hobbies are male dominated.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:03 PM
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dating apps are trash and I don't want to interrupt a woman's day - what would be the best time to approach a woman if not at a bar/club/other form of third space?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 06:28 PM
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In my perfect system, consent would be the first lesson of sex ed class, and sex ed class would be taught to ages 10-12. It would be mandatory, regardless of all current exemptions. Mandatory reporting by education staff is already in order, so we don't need to touch that. What does need to happen is a more robust system for consequences - even in the mildest case of sexual harassment, no matter the student's race, sex, gender, or sexual orientation, should be an immediate call to the school's g…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/11/25 04:28 PM
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I agree on an individual scale. For a societal scale I feel more needs to be done - for both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 12:21 PM
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Yes, and that is bad. We as a society should treat all people with empathy, not just white women. Er, well Pretty, young, active, kind white women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 11:04 PM
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Before we can blame men for what they can control, we need to get them to recognize what they can't or couldn't control in the past, and how much that actually affects them. "You were hurt by society and you're going to need a therapist to process that" is a much more constructive message than the current rhetoric of "everything bad is either a man problem caused my men, or a patriarchy problem, so that I can still declare it a man problem"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:28 PM
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There is a difference between taking responsibility for one's own choices and accepting that this trend is rooted in trauma, stigma, and shame. Both need to occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 06:37 PM
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We do not consent to those. Children cannot consent - and even if they could, I certainly didn't. If a girl is emotionally neglected by every adult she interacts with, resulting in her growing up into a woman with an inability to properly show emotion and an unhealthy relationship with her inner self, we do not call that "toxic victimhood" and blame her and women in general for the way she is. We accept that she has been hurt by someone and needs help. And yes, we need to get more men in the doo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 06:28 PM
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And those are socialized behaviors that are beaten into us while we are still children. Something is clearly wrong with the way we choose to raise our boys. The issue starts long before we become men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 05:51 PM
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Plenty of men are doing what they can. Millions of men have marched and protested. Cory Booker set a world record stalling the government and buying us more time. Congress and our government are a majority men, but overwhelmingly wealthy. Men are not the primary beneficiaries of our society. The rich are. Sure, there are more men on top, but there are a hell of a lot more men on the bottom. Men are the majority homeless, incarcerated, and dead at their own hands or that of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:30 PM
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No, I want to be emotionally fulfilled. Sex and intimacy are only part of that. I want to hold your hand and look into your eyes, and feel safe for once. I want to sit next to you under the stars and talk for hours. And feel understood. I want to cook you different foods based on where you are in your menstrual cycle to make it more manageable for you. And buy you flowers to put a smile on your face. I want to respect and be respected. And I also want to have sex and suck tiddies. All of these a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 04:13 PM
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Which is why I don't attend women's marches.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 01:54 AM
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It's not just that - most studies on the matter use a definition for rape that specifically and categorically erases male victims by requiring penetration as a classification - even when the law doesn't have the same requirement. Even the CDC doesn't consider a man being forced to have sex as rape. If you combine rape, sexual coercion, and "a man being forced to have sex against his will", a man was raped by a woman once every 10 seconds in the year of 2016 (source)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:37 PM
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Considering some research I've done into male victims - specifically the degree to which studies discriminate and erase them from statistics, I would not be surprised in the slightest if a significant percentage of incel culture is rooted in men who were traumatized and are unable to effectively process such. But instead of helping them, grifters like Andrew Tate decide to exploit this for monetary and political gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 06:04 PM
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I was molested when I was a kid and have been sexually assaulted multiple times since. Most of the time, when I open up to a woman, they use it against me. It doesn't seem to matter how long I've been friends with them. Dismissiveness and blame are far more common than empathy, in my individual experience. One woman threatened my life and the lives of my family multiple times in high school, and then the female principal called me in to ask what I was doing to provoke her because she didn't beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/25 01:01 PM
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I feel pressured to pursue women because I know what happens when I don't. Absolutely nothing. Ever. Women (understandably) avoid men, so for men who don't like the idea of dying alone, a significant amount of effort must be put into avoiding that possiblity. Sometimes, after rejection after unmatch after red flag, it just feels like it's not worth it. Women have hurt me at every opportunity I have given them. I don't dislike women or anything, and I still believe there are good women out there,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/25 03:23 PM
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Women are not 50% of the workforce, and even if they were it's a bit misleading - because there are male dominated and female dominated fields. Open up to the homies - trust me, it works. Sexual though, you're right there. I'd like to add to my original point - your point is that men need to be on top in society so that we have something to offer women, and I completely object to that idea. Men can be just as good and loving as women - men who can't or won't become such only have themselves to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 12:48 PM
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Material and emotional needs being met are not mutually exclusive. If anything, having more female coworkers would give men more chances to meet those needs, no? I also object to the idea that women are the exclusive way men are able to meet their emotional needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:18 AM
6

Men - you mean the primary group exploited by employers due to traditionalism placing us as the working class... MEN are the ones that stand to lose the most from socialism?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 02:05 AM
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Very few good men will date a woman who hates men, which creates a depressing cycle where such a woman will continuously be subjected to bad men, thus reinforcing her beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/25 02:25 PM
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Men's problems are only treated like problems when they start affecting women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/25 09:56 PM
14

Hell no.
/r/MensRights12/08/25 06:05 PM
1

Yes, absolutely, it's incredibly rare. Physical appearance is one of the things I care about the least in the grand scheme of things
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 11:07 PM
1

Do you know how rare it is for a man to find a woman that ticks EVERY box? Let alone have her be attracted to him?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 11:04 PM
1

I can be attracted to women of all breast sizes. I just prefer larger breasts. I like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 11:02 PM
1

Point taken. I will judge women exclusively based on breast size from now on. (/s, if it wasn't obvious)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 10:50 PM
1

For me it's because I feel like I have a chance with the office girl, I like career-oriented women, and in my experience hot people are disproportionately assholes. She looks friendly. And that's what I care about. Giant tits are always fun but the most important part of a woman is her soul.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 06:18 PM
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The party itself no, but so many individual democrats and countless more who refuse to condemn them. I vote democrat, but there's just too many of those people and absolutely nobody on the left calling them out - I'm being made to feel that leftists don't want me. Or that I'm supposed to be quiet about my issues so as to not take the spotlight from someone else. Again, I'm fine with it, I've gotten used to being treated that way, but so many young men who haven't matured yet have gotten pushed t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 10:28 AM
1

I am entirely certain I'm not conflating those things. The left has done a lot more to push me away than to make me feel welcomed. The democrat party supporting women is not what does this, it's the democrat party either actively supporting, platforming, or refusing to denounce customs and people that discriminate against men that does it. It's people who call themselves feminists choosing to tell me that my experience with rape is meaningless because I'm a man that does it. The democrat party h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 02:11 AM
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It's not the main party platform of the Democrats, but because Fox News says it is, millions of people believe it. Everything in that paragraph is correct. But the left has also not offered men a place that they feel any semblance of safe. The right has offered a warm lie that sort of feels like it, though. So men go there. I'm open to hearing more about this. So how does the average man experience literal hatred from "countless" women? I can't speak for all men of course - but I certainly have.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 12:18 AM
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I don't think getting laid is the only thing men want. But I do think that getting laid is one of the primary (if not the NUMBER ONE) way that men value themselves. Men want to be loved - sex is just a large part of how men quantify that. Countless men think they're the same thing. they don't value themselves without the sexual validation of women. And if they can't "offer" anything to women, then women won't sexually validate them. More than just sexual validation, but sure, you're right - the …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 11:29 PM
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That's the thing, though. Getting laid isn't the only thing men want. Personally, I want to feel loved and understood. And I'd argue that most men want that more than they want sex, especially men from Gen Z - my generation. It's not men being unable to get laid that’s the problem, it's men feeling entirely invisible, unappreciated, and unloved by the left, particularly women within it. And even that is incredibly reductionist. I could expand this and go into what specifically makes men feel tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 08:57 PM
2

As a dysfunctional man, I can confirm this
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 12:54 PM
7

Me too considering the fact that not having enough lifeboats is entirely illegal due to the Titanic's sinking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/25 10:59 PM
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Because that's a huge added responsibility
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:03 PM
4

In that case, absolutely I'd love to date someone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:49 PM
8

I'd definitely want to know what kind of class it was. There's charisma classes, and then there's "men/women are not people and exist for your comfort" classes. It's important to know which one she'd have taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 03:30 PM
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A lot of women only see the worst in others and never hold themselves to the same standard. On the flipside, a lot of men expect the most from others but never do their best themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/25 10:04 PM
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Diva is the word. There's no anatomy based term for that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 11:36 PM
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The burden is on men to approach and take initiative - which takes time, effort, money, and sanity. So obviously we're going to go after the people who catch our eyes first. Physical appearance is just what gets you in the door. I can't tell you how many times I've met women who I wouldn't normally consider attractive but then developed monumental crushes on because they're good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 12:01 PM
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Cheating is wrong, and should not be seen as a step at all, let alone the first one
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 06:41 PM
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My room is a mess basically exclusively because of clothes. Anything that smells goes. I'd date someone like that, but not a slob. Well, now thinking more about it, if I were to be a househusband and she made bank, absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 11:56 PM
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If doing it over dating apps counts, 5. One of which led to a scheduled date, which she bailed on last minute. The rest led to being unmatched (???) In person? I have literally never done it, nor do I plan to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 10:57 PM
7

Incel culture has been mainstreamed to the point that our current president has been on Adin Ross's podcast. And has defended Andrew Tate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 07:42 PM
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Because we want to. We want to believe it's like the books even when evidence disagrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 07:19 PM
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I meant that more in the literary sense, like "the burden of proof" and such. Personally I flip-flop on it a lot, sometimes I love it but others I would kill to just have someone take me on a date for once.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 08:09 PM
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I mean it's technically true but it's because I don't date.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 05:42 PM
2

Thanks for saying this, idk why bro is arguing with me so hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 05:21 PM
3

The fact of the matter is that, in the current dating market, there is more pressure on men to take initiative than there is for women, leading to men paying for the majority of dates. Do you disagree with that statement, yes or no?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:17 PM
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You're putting words in my mouth. I never said I don't go on second dates. I literally just answered the question with an answer that you confirmed with your second comment. What I said was true. It's unfair. But life is unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:08 PM
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I understand that. The answer to OP's question is still no. "You pay for the first one and I'll consider maybe paying for the second one" still ends up with the guy paying a large majority of the time. Again, I'm not inherently against that, I'm just answering the question. We don't disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:04 PM
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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm more than willing to pay for the date. But the answer to the question "is it equal" is and has always been no.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:00 PM
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No, it doesn't. Not even close. Because the burden is on men to plan, schedule, and invite a woman out most of the time. It'd be like saying "whoever is shorter should do most of the housework". Like, obviously that's going to be the woman in an overwhelming majority of cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 02:13 PM
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Unfortunately yeah, like - there are rules against putting someone's pictures out there without their knowledge/consent, but there's just so much shit in the world that it often doesn't get its day in court.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:45 AM
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I completely agree. That isn't a failure of the rules themselves, but the enforcement thereof.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:37 AM
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Oh - well in the case of no consent being given, that's absolutely grounds for a civil lawsuit, the problem then becomes the willingness and - more importantly - the ability to file such a lawsuit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 01:25 AM
1

You consent to people looking at you when you post pictures of yourself to forums in which people can look at you
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 12:55 AM
8

Straight women and gay men get horny too, they should be able to thirst over men if they want to, so long as it's consensual. Thirst traps are not inherently bad. They are easy to make bad, but they are not inherently so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 10:33 PM
2

Because our hormones are ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 09:20 PM
1

Because security - safety - the lack of danger - is boring. If the Avengers was about Loki and Thor having an adult heart-to-heart about the manipulation that Loki experienced and the completely understandable grief he had when he learned how much Odin lied to him, and there was no suspense - just an understanding, nobody would have liked that movie and it'd have been over in 40 minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 02:50 AM
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It'd depend on the aspect of myself. If she fetishizes the fact that I'm: A nerd? Here for it. Green flag. White? Weird, orange flag Works out? Green flag, good to have someone who can properly appreciate that sort of thing Broke? Further depends.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/25 08:15 PM
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Because it doesn't come up as often. I personally would love more effective male contraceptive options.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 07:29 PM
2

Brother I'm 23 and I probably wouldn't date a 19 year old. Our lives are completely different - she'd be in an entirely different mindset and have an entirely different outlook on life. Even if age were just a number, that disconnect is a dealbreaker for me - I want someone who is similar to me in their idea of life. I've also begun to find women younger than me physically unattractive - not trying to virtue signal or anything here, just stating that that's been my experience. So in order to dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 05:11 PM
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No, and the proof of that is Leonardo Dicaprio, who was 30 years old on the day his current SO was born. Leo is a fairly attractive man - as you say, he's got a six pack, great skin, and a nice haircut - and yet, women (and me) absolutely have a problem with his dating habits because of how creepy they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/25 03:40 PM
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Men aren't specifically more emotionally resilient, but we do face massive conditioning to internalize our emotions, like what is seen in the video (side note - in my experience it is and has been overwhelmingly women pushing this conditioning on me. Not saying we live in a matriarchy or anything, just peculiar) This conditioning is of course dangerous. It's not how you create an emotionally healthy human being, it's how you create an obedient worker who won't unionize or rebel, at the cost of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 05:10 PM
2

As a man I do but I understand I'm in the minority
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/25 01:33 PM
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I'm a switch myself. The reason is because, from the moment we're able to speak, we're taught to be manly. Only we're never taught what the word "manly" means, so that ends up being "don't be like women". And of course this is enforced by our parents, teachers, babysitters, etc. through endless, relentless shame whenever we do anything that is even remotely seen as feminine. Being submissive is pretty high on that list of things because of traditional gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 12:44 PM
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According to what we have, the average woman experiences about 80% of the average male libido when she is ovulating. So if you want to know what it's like to be a man, imagine being so hopped up on hormones that ovulation doesn't even quite cover it. Every day. From the moment you hit puberty until the moment you take your final breath. You got these hormones when you were young, and then as you got older, the more permanent effects like height, voice, and muscles showed up. And as that was happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/25 12:22 PM
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For me it's a lot more the fact that multiple male friends and colleagues of mine who are parents have been accused of being creeps for existing near their own children - one of them almost had the cops called on him because he changed his daughter's diaper. I'm not a father myself, but I don't have a lower affinity for kids because I hate them or like women or whatever. I have a lower affinity for kids because of how society treats fathers. I also have never (for myself at least) thought about …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/25 09:58 PM
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I'm not saying women live life on easy mode. Just that dating specifically is much easier for women. They have their own struggles, sure, and different is a way to put it, but I'd much rather be a woman in that context. I know the stats for pregnant women, and they're horrible. None of what I've said takes away from that. I accept that most things are worse for women. I just don't blindly believe that everything is worse or that men don't have it more shitty in some spots.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 09:29 PM
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The murder stats don't lie, but they don't tell the whole truth. 36% of murdered women die at the hand of an intimate partner, as opposed to 6% of murdered men. Except 80% of murder victims are men, so it's the equivalent of 24%. Meaning if you had 100 murder victims in a room, 80 would be men and 20 would be women. Of the women, 6.8 would have been killed by an intimate partner. Of the men, that number would be 4.8. It's not even 2:1. Being murdered is very unlikely. Especially if you're a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 09:17 PM
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I have already been raped by a woman, and the stats are a lot less different than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 08:40 PM
2

Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 08:35 PM
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Absolutely, dating isn't easy for anybody, and everybody can struggle in such a thing. It just doesn't compare to men's struggles in dating is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/25 02:59 PM
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No, I continuously hear about how men are (ON AVERAGE) significantly more willing to put up with stuff, work through stuff, treat you as if you aren't replaceable, less likely to be dramatic, less likely to be intentionally hurtful, etc. We're also significantly less likely to hit our partners. Men are simpler to date. Easier to please. Easier to keep around, and a lot easier to get along with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 12:16 PM
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Men are dogs and women are cats. Men will take interest in what you do, give you "scary dog" privilege, it's easy to get them to like you, if it was raised wrong you should probably run. Women will hog the bed, go from snuggly to slappy at the drop of a hat, the spicier ones will leave you covered in scratches, and you can't force them to like you - and even when they do you'll often be convinced they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 02:27 PM
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Most bisexual people I know say men are a hell of a lot easier to date and are willing to put a lot more effort, on average, into the relationship - especially if it's a new relationship. That is anecdotal of course, and it's worth mentioning that shitty men who just want hookups don't fit into this category because they're not looking for relationships - so they're conveniently left out of this number of course. Don't take my first statement and run with it is what I'm saying. The best partners…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 12:25 PM
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https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/the-psychiatrist/article/domestic-violence-is-most-commonly-reciprocal/C5432B0C6F8F61B49A4E2B60B931FA07 Around 50% of relationships with violence have reciprocal violence, and in 70% of cases of nonreciprocal violence, the woman is the sole aggressor. 24% of relationships have violence, so 12% of relationships have reciprocal violence. 3.6% of relationships have a solo male perpetrator of violence 8.4% of relationships have a solo female perpetrator of vio…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 12:22 PM
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If it's consensual, she's not being used.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 07:03 PM
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God that's a good video
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/25 12:26 AM
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Rape statistics often use a definition that requires the victim be the one being penetrated, which erases most male victims of women, as mechanically speaking that's simply not how women rape. So take this source From the CDC, and include "Made to Penetrate" as rape for the 12-month prevalence column (Page 32, PDF page 36). If you don't trust a link from me since I'm a random internet stranger, this is the NISVS's report on sexual violence from the year 2016 - one of the largest and most reliabl…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/25 12:25 AM
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For me, it's because I am sickened by the very thought of hurting someone or forcing them to do something, especially a woman, because of the natural power dynamic that exists because of my physical abilities. The very idea of someone seeing me as a threat or capable of something like that in any way makes me want to never leave my house. For the rest of men, I doubt the answer is any more complicated than the fact that there's a clear separation between being on the giving and receiving end in …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 11:57 PM
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I literally just want someone to value - someone to hold the door for, someone to buy flowers for, and someone to work hard to make smile. I want someone to hold at night while I fall asleep, I just want to love and be loved. And yet, apparently men don't want any of that - in fact, I'm wrong for even thinking it, all I want is sex apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 08:59 PM
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Everybody is a victim to something in society. Men are victim to being emotionally stunted and shamed for doing anything seen as gay or emotional, or for opening up, or even for refusing sex from a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:39 PM
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I'm not excusing it, I'm explaining it from an empathetic point of view. Shame is one of the worst ways to get someone to change, and as a man I'm sure you know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:28 PM
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Well yes - but there's a caveat there. Those men do not get to interact with women for long enough to understand that personality matters too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:17 PM
4

And of course, that must be borne from something that makes them think it's shameful to care about looks or have desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:15 PM
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I've noticed that on this sub more than pretty much anywhere else I've heard it postulated. The more common statement is that they don't only care about looks - which, y'know, duh - very few people care exclusively about looks, men or women. Looks just get you in the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:12 PM
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Women do care more about connection than men, but you are right that "I don't care about looks" is a facade for the overwhelming majority of people who claim it. The answer to your question is of course that they are virtue signaling.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 03:00 PM
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The Der Giftpilz argument, as it used to be called. I struggle to comprehend how there are leftists that don't have a problem with the Der Giftpilz argument.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/25 08:51 PM
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You should've posted in other women's subreddits to at least make this a believable ALT account.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 10:33 PM
3

Thank you for writing this, this is very validating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/25 10:23 PM
3

She did though
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 06:52 PM
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Because it doesn't work. The people making those arguments are doing that thing where someone tries to dismiss something as personal failure when in reality it's due to massive differences in how men and women are treated, as well as how we're raised. It's the "have you tried lowering your standards?" Of the other side. Paternity leave is a joke, and my friend who's a father once had the cops called on him because he changed his daughter's diaper and a woman thought that was creepy somehow. So f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 06:43 PM
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I am an above average man. I am above average height, above average intelligence, above average strength, I'm progressive, I respect and advocate for women, etc. I've also been described as quite handsome and have a master's degree. I am not saying this to suck my own dick. I am saying this to describe what sort of world I live in. I understand that I have tremendous pretty privilege and other privileges like it. I read bios most of the time. Because of that, it took me 8 months across 3 differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/25 05:48 PM
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Eh, well, I suppose you're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 06:13 PM
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The generalizations about "the bar" are usually just for brevity. If you are a nice person who is respectful, you will likely be able to get a date with a woman at least around your level of attractiveness. It's a lot harder to do so and takes a lot longer as a man, but it still works.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 05:59 PM
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Each and every single woman has a different bar that is distinct from everyone else. What is completely acceptable for one woman might be unacceptable or even considered creepy by another - as women are, brace yourself - PEOPLE. Dating is much harder for men, don't get me wrong - but this isn't the reason why, or rather not the only reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 05:33 PM
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They do, but you hear about it less because men will basically never complain about that sort of thing, even when it's unwanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/25 04:10 PM
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Of course I believe in the female orgasm. I prioritize them. There are a small subset of conservative men that truly believe that since they've never even made a woman wet, that the female orgasm must be a myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 11:26 PM
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Because I do not get hundreds of likes on dating apps, nor do I have anyone approaching me. A chimp would type shakespeare before I'd get a single date with someone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 11:13 PM
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Personally I prefer lesbian porn, for the simple fact that hearing men moan turns me off. Only when I watch it though. I read it quite often nowadays, some good erotica is always nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/25 02:56 PM
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While I don't object to the idea of fitting into the provider role, the way the woman does it in the video is textbook manipulation and should not be tolerated by or from anyone. Providing is fine, I'd love nothing more than to add something to a person's life like that. "Hey do you think you could spare me $x for (thing), I've been looking at it a while and sort of want it" is one thing. But "you love me, right? 🥺🥺" is something else entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/25 05:17 PM
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Heh, you have a point there. I wonder how history would be different if women weren't so strangely attracted to killers
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 02:08 PM
1

Well yeah there's plenty of good people who have committed crimes
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 01:59 PM
1

Not being creepy is below the bare minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 12:49 PM
3

Yeeeah this one is alright
/r/EverydayMisandry10/02/25 12:28 AM
7

Male maidenlessness epidemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/25 01:25 PM
6

There's Brock Turner, but he was turned into a famous figure for being a monster and has been very much demonstrated to be an outlier.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/02/25 12:54 PM
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Ah yes, that's why I DM so many Dungeons & Dragons campaigns
/r/EverydayMisandry04/02/25 08:57 PM
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Society places a lot of value in men with many sexual conquests. It's just one of those ways society tries to make young people insecure about their place in society. Specifically it's value in men who are able to get women to allow them to do whatever, it's like getting a promotion I guess. This is based in some fact, women are a lot more receptive to men who come recommended by other women. However, again, this is primarily just a way society tries to keep people insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 04:27 PM
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I never said that the entire responsibility should be on the man - the dementia accusation seems to be projection. I said that men have more control, and as such men who don't want kids should simply not nut in women instead of blaming her for getting nutted in. Both should take responsibility - the man included.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/02/25 03:44 PM
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Buddy, I'm not mad at male sexuality. I'm mad at men who try to justify nutting in a woman who doesn't want to have kids and try to shift the blame onto them. Women should take some responsibility, and men should take some as well. A man has more power over that than a woman does, because he needs to actively nut in a woman to cause pregnancy a lot of the time. You and I both know that we have total control over ourselves. Things may be tempting of course, but it's always a decision. The consequ…
/r/EverydayMisandry04/02/25 01:27 PM
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I am a man who is perfectly capable of self-control. I don't nut in women. Trigger discipline, brother. Some men being too weak to resist is not my problem. Women bear consequences of course, but if a guy - what was it you said? "loses control of his body and follows his instinct and pleasure" and now she has a bun in the oven, she absolutely has a right to be mad.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/02/25 02:01 PM
2

You're right to say that feminism is very individual. That makes it even more appalling that none of them have called out the NISVS.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 02:13 AM
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Except in cases of SA, women are also consciously chosing to have sex with someone able to leave sperm behind while they're in a fertile point of their cycle. Right, but she isn't nutting in herself. Choosing to have sex and choosing to nut in someone are entirely different things. because afaik the reliability of men's and women's birth control is relatively the same. Condoms, if used properly, have a 99% efficacy rate, without a literal novel's worth of side effects. They aren't painful like a…
/r/EverydayMisandry03/02/25 01:45 AM
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Right, but men have to consciously nut in a woman to get her pregnant a lot of the time, or refuse to wear condoms. Women have more options, sure, but men's options are often more reliable.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/02/25 01:36 AM
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I would LOVE to work with feminists to solve this issue. But it has been made more than clear to me that feminists are not interested in that whatsoever. And after being told that me being raped didn't matter as much because I'm male, I am far more comfortable where I'm sitting. Literally all feminism has to do to gain my help is denounce the NISVS's treatment of male victims of women. It'd take 10 seconds - hell, I'd write it out for them if they'd let me. You say they bring these subjects to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 07:28 PM
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I am completely willing to agree with you, but my experience with feminism's response to male victims has been lacking at best. To illustrate why, let me defer to the CDC's NISVS - one of the largest sexual violence studies of its kind: https://www.cdc.gov/nisvs/documentation/nisvsReportonSexualViolence.pdf Rape, as it pertains to this study, is defined on pdf page 1 as "completed or attempted unwanted vaginal, oral, or anal penetration through the use of physical force or drug facilitation" - t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 07:04 PM
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Are you scared of women having equality? No. Do you resent it? No. The 1950s pretend ideal seems pretty popular with lots of men, is that a time you wish you could go back to? Maybe in terms of the rich paying taxes and infrastructure spending being what it was, but all the other politics is not appealing to me in the slightest. I do not, and have never seen women as uteruses with legs, and I would not be ok with being around that many people who do. I also don't like the idea of being drafted i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 05:28 PM
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While what you've said is true, pointing to the accomplishments of men will come off as invalidating to people who don't already understand your point of view, and you'll get pushback. Instead, point to where their logic would incriminate women, and their argument fissiles out. If it's logical to blame men for society sucking, it's logical to blame women for healthcare and human resources sucking, as those are both massively female dominated fields. It's the same argument made in a different way…
/r/EverydayMisandry01/02/25 02:45 PM
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Hmm, I'm not sure. Like yes, men created all the good parts of society, but they also made all the bad parts. The good doesn't make the bad not real. I like to instead respond with... well, let me start from the beginning. Women have common grievances with the healthcare industry - particularly obstetrics and gynecology, as their pain is often barely cared for, if at all. Hell, IUD insertion didn't recommend painkillers at all until last august. The fact that 80% of healthcare professionals, hal…
/r/EverydayMisandry01/02/25 02:22 PM
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As if being affectionate with the homies wasn't common human male behavior
/r/EverydayMisandry31/01/25 12:06 AM
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That's the thing. The manosphere benefits trump greatly, by being a psyop that stokes a gender war when what we should be fighting is a class war. Do men have privilege? Yes. Are men the primary benefactors of modern society? Fuuuuuuuuuck no. Calling our society a patriarchy is like calling a yacht a personal vehicle. Sure, it's technically accurate, but it's one of the least jarring things about it. Our society is and always has been a plutocracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 08:10 PM
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I mean I left too so good for them
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 01:17 PM
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Could you tell me what precisely you are talking about, then? While we're on the topic of statistics, how should society compensate for women's preponderance for infanticide, or the tendency for poor people to steal? If we should change society based on trends, why should we stop at men? There are hundreds of statistics based on race, gender, sexuality, sexual orientation, etc - which ones matter?
/r/EverydayMisandry29/01/25 01:43 AM
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Except it isn't. Friends of mine, both male and female, have been sexually assaulted by women. 1 in 13 men will be raped by a woman at least once in his lifetime. I was raped by a woman when I was a child. Studies like the CDC's NISVS choose to use different definitions for "rape" and "a man being, through violence or drug facilitation, forced to have sex against his will". I and multiple of my friends and family members are living proof that what you've just said is entirely untrue. You being a…
/r/EverydayMisandry29/01/25 01:37 AM
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Wary is fine and understandable. Using demographic trends to justify outright bigotry is not. There's a difference between "I'm not as strong as a man so I keep my safety at the front of my mind if I'm with a man I don't know" and "I would literally rather see an apex predator than someone who looks like you"
/r/EverydayMisandry29/01/25 01:25 AM
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Just feel the need to point out that while sexual frustration is, well, frustrating, it is not anyone's job to fix it. If you can't get laid, change up your strategy.
/r/EverydayMisandry28/01/25 02:14 PM
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the "by other men" thing is just a way for people to dismiss issues they don't care about. I usually retaliate by stating that 67% of OB/GYNs are women, as well as 80% of all healthcare professionals - so all of those videos about women's pain being dismissed, all of those talks about "medical gaslighting", etc... For the record, women's grievances with the healthcare system are absolutely valid, and it doesn't matter what's in the pants of the people doing it. But if you want to tell me that my…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/25 04:01 PM
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Reminds me about that time my friend in high school got yelled at by a bunch of racists because the whole 13/50 bullshit statistic annoyed him. "If you're not a criminal, why are you offended by statistics?" Because you're using the statistics to create an ecological fallacy that implicates me and a lot of my friends. I don't blame women as a group for what happened to me when I was a kid, and I expect that same basic decency from other people. The idea that I should be held to a higher standard…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/01/25 08:44 PM
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Absolutely. But again, even Ben Shapiro's audience berated him for going against Luigi. His looks are a factor, but not a huge one.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/01/25 01:23 PM
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The guy who shot trump is ugly, conservative, and dead. Of course women don't sexualize him. But everybody knows his name because of what he did.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/01/25 01:11 PM
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I mean, maybe not as many, he is a good looking dude - I'm not saying there's no merit to his looks spawning some popularity, but considering Ben Shapiro's own comment section roasted him after he came out against Mangione, his looks likely aren't even 20% of the reason for his fame. People were obsessing over him even before that picture of his face came out.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/01/25 10:18 PM
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No, she's saying that the media is making a blanket statement that women only like this guy for his looks, which isn't true - they like him because he did what hundreds of thousands of Americans have been fantasizing about doing since they learned who the healthcare system is meant to benefit. But the media isn't accepting that, they'd rather make a blanket statement and put words in the mouths of the people regarding his looks. Putting words in women's mouths is an example of misogyny.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/01/25 10:06 PM
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That isn't even close to what she's talking about, bro. She's specifically denouncing the idea that people like him for his looks. She's saying that it's not his looks, it's his actions, that have women all riled up.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/01/25 09:56 PM
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I've made multiple posts asking feminists about what they think about the active discrimination against male victims of women in studies that focus on sexual assault. Normally I'll get at least a dozen responses on separate posts like this. Of the two responses I got, both sided with the studies, voicing that male victims of women should be their own, lesser category. Actively subscribing to the idea that male victims of women are less deserving of respect and justice than female victims of men.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 04:45 PM
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I love how Elon has become the face of undateable billionaires. Like he's literally the richest man on the planet, but no woman outside of your aunt bridget from kansas would even look at him twice because of how much of a weird piece of shit he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 01:33 PM
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1 in 3 men is a victim of some form of contact sexual violence. 1 in 9 men is a victim of "being made to penetrate," over 80% of cases of which are committed by women. Strangely, being (violently or through drug facilitation) forced to have sex with someone against your own consent is only considered rape if you're a woman. This is how I know MRAs are just reactionaries. We do absolutely face some obvious and extreme discrimination. We're about half as likely to be raped, sure, but when it does …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 01:19 PM
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Yeah that's how consent works mate
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 01:06 PM
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This is just another way to put people in boxes. No, not all women are like that. No, not all men are like that. People are individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:40 AM
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I am too. He had his flaws, but he also had a big heart - which made him vulnerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:50 PM
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Women don't do it as often, sure, but I can't tell you the number of unsolicited nudes I've gotten on instagram from fucking onlyfans bots.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/12/24 08:52 PM
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Yes - and I do that in most contexts, but this was in response to a post about some dickweed on the internet
/r/EverydayMisandry30/12/24 02:51 PM
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Problem is, we can't verify that. The study also states that particularly severe abuse (knives, guns, strangulation, etc) happened to 9% of those surveyed, with absolutely no difference whatsoever based on gender. So the truth is somewhere between 70/30 and 50/50
/r/EverydayMisandry30/12/24 01:25 PM
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Except it's not an exagerration. Men are far more reluctant to hit women than women are to hit men. That's not a stat exaggerating itself, the stat is accurate. That's a hilight of just how bad the problem is. Women are more likely to rely on their partners for financial security, which is why they need more shelters.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/12/24 01:06 PM
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Because the overwhelming majority of men lack platonic intimacy, meaning they need to turn to a romantic partner in order to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 09:56 PM
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Ah, found it. My source uses your source as a source. So technically yeah they're the same data.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/12/24 05:44 PM
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My uncle got married. The benefits for him were physical and emotional abuse, and constant gaslighting. She was nice before they got married. But since then she's been abusive to the point of almost killing him, been in and out of jail, and a raging alcoholic. I haven't seen him in years, because we can only see him when his wife is away, because my parents and grandparents hate her. Another uncle of mine also got married. Benefits for him were being divorced and forced to pay a double digit per…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 04:26 PM
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I'm not sure. The numbers are crazy similar - enough to make me believe they could be different analyses of the same data. However, you are of course right that the sample sizes are different. Do you have a link to the study you mentioned?
/r/EverydayMisandry29/12/24 04:09 PM
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"Rare occasion" 70% of nonreciprocal cases of intimate partner violence. 70%... If that's how you define rare remind me to never go to your house for steak night.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/12/24 02:50 PM
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I don't think they are sexist so long as they have guys nights as well. Even without that I'm doubtful. It's just a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 10:18 PM
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I do believe that men have more difficulty finding a partner and dating than women for a lot of reasons, but the idea that the average man is "doomed" is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 09:04 PM
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I do believe male privilege exists, but I do not believe it is the be-all-end-all of privilege. Not even close. Being a man does give me some bonuses, but it absolutely does not give me power, or make me an oppressor. Men are not the main benefactors of society. They never have been. Our society was not built for men, it was built by men, for the rich and powerful. For rich, white, oligarchic, men. Of those four things, being a man matters the least. Our society is a plutocracy. "Patriarchy", wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/24 08:11 PM
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It is, when it comes up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 06:47 PM
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When compared specifically based on outcomes, single fathers do better than single mothers. Now, there are a lot of good reasons for that - most of which don't have anything to do with gender, but it points out just how ridiculous and sexist the subject of this post is.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/12/24 02:31 PM
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Didn't you know? 167% of women are victims! On a more serious note, this is, explicitly, them saying that men experience sexual assault but are somehow not victims. -EDIT- Actually it goes deeper than that. The 1 in 33 metric does exist - but it's using a definition for rape that requires the victim be the one penetrated, erasing the overwhelming majority of male victims of women. The 1 in 6 metric is what happens when you include male victims of women in the first place. Rape statistics often u…
/r/EverydayMisandry24/12/24 03:24 AM
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I mean I am too, and I do too, but for me it just hasn't ended well
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 04:45 AM
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I am a demisexual man. I rarely do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 04:40 AM
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I'm sorry you feel the need to keep everything inside. You shouldn't have to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 08:19 PM
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I'm sorry you've become an emotional pincushion. In my opinion, men don't open up because men are taught to be manly - only, the definition of "manly" is not provided, so instead of having a set of morals to adhere to, boys are simply told, in effect, "don't be like women". They are then shamed ruthlessly for doing anything seen as feminine in their youth. Opening up included. This leads to some men being completely unable to open up, others being unable to open up to other men - which I'd wager…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 06:28 PM
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Okay, let me amend what I said earlier. What I should have said was: Asexual men and men who are certain a woman won't sleep with them are no more likely to open up to women than other men. Ability to get laid is not the reason men don't open up to women as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 06:07 PM
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"I don't have a counterpoint so I'm going to put words in your mouth and affirm that I am right despite offering no counterpoint or unbiased studies to back up my claims. If I call it bullshit enough times maybe it'll become true" Give me a source better than the CDC and maybe you'll have an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 06:02 PM
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Asexual men don't open up to women either so that's not it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 06:00 PM
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For this to be me lying, that would require these to be my words. They are not. These are the words of hundreds of researchers at the CDC, and tens of thousands of surveyed individuals who were questioned, extrapolated to the population with a confidence interval of 95%. You may disagree all you want, but I need you to understand it's not me you're disagreeing with - it's the culmination of hundreds of hours of work and the lived experiences of tens of thousands of men who were surveyed by said …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 05:50 PM
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I have opened up to more than a dozen people about some of the most horrific things in my life. Every single man I have opened up to has been supportive. Every single one. I cannot say the same about women. Sure - this is anecdotal, but my experience isn't even close to matching your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 05:42 PM
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Not actually true - a large majority of people who rape men are women. Rape statistics often use a definition that requires the victim be the one being penetrated, which erases most male victims of women, as mechanically speaking that's simply not how women rape. So take this source From the CDC, and include "Made to Penetrate" as rape for the 12-month prevalence column (Page 32, PDF page 36). If you don't trust a link from me since I'm a random internet stranger, this is the NISVS's report on s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 05:34 PM
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It's about equality when equality would benefit women. I don't think it's about raising women above men, but it's been made extremely clear that they do not care about men's issues. If they did, there would have been a formal denunciation of the NISVS's treatment of male victims of women by now. Once that happens, I will be at a women's march within the hour.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 05:29 PM
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Boy is being sexually abused. Women most affected.
/r/EverydayMisandry19/12/24 01:57 PM
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Women do not fear men because of sexism. Well, some do, but they're the minority. Women are cautionary around men because men are larger, stronger, and faster than them. Most women accept that most men aren't evil, or dangerous, or anything. If you believe otherwise, you need to get off the internet. The overwhelming majority of men are simply people, like the rest of us - who would walk past you on the street and perhaps you'd exchange a glance, but nothing more. However, bad men exist, and if …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 04:08 PM
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OP's question was bad faith from the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 11:43 PM
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The first quote in my original comment, paraphrased, is "feminism has become too synonymous with man-hating and this needs to stop" You took advantage of me not specifying, huh? I was using your specifications. You do not meet your own specifications, therefore being an mra is about misogyny and nothing else, by your own standards. That is how your post works. You asked for an example, I gave you one, and you're trying to explain to me how that doesn't count because of precise wording or whateve…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 01:07 PM
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Brother, people can be multiple things at once. She's an actress, yes, but she is also the UN Women Goodwill Ambassador.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 12:01 AM
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I think it's that more men are realizing they'd been victims in the previous year under more modern context. I read a study, I don't have access to it right now, that said men grossly underreport their own victimization, with rates at or exceeding 30% of men who said "my partner regularly hits me" stating they were not victim to domestic abuse
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/24 11:26 PM
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A woman who I find attractive - doesn't have to be Megan Fox, just around as hot as me, which is entirely achievable. Respects or at least tolerates my nerdiness, and doesn't try to change me as a person - at least, not the parts of me that I like. Doesn't use my insecurities against me when she's mad, and is someone I think would make a good mother, as I want kids someday. Oh - and lives near me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 11:12 PM
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Facts
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 09:55 PM
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The prompt was: I challenge you: Find me a single notable feminist who condemns feminist man-hating Notable - check. Feminist - double check. Condemns man-hating - check, she said it in the speech that I linked. I cannot physically satisfy the criteria more. She is a notable feminist who made it very clear in her speech that man-hating is not to be tolerated in the feminist movement. Please stop trying to no-true-scotsman fallacy your way into a point here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 08:31 PM
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https://msmagazine.com/2016/09/21/feminism-at-versailles/ Here you go! She has a few articles published here. https://msmagazine.com/author/ewatson/#:~:text=Emma%20Watson%2C%20Author%20at%20Ms,Magazine Here's a list of a few of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 06:33 PM
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Are you a mainstream men's rights activist at or above the level of Emma Watson? She made it very clear in her speech that man-hating is not to be tolerated in the feminist movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 06:31 PM
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Could you find me an mra that condenns mra misogyny? Just for consistencys sake?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 06:17 PM
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Emma Watson is as academic feminist as it gets. Her acting career is honestly secondary to her activism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 05:30 PM
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No, I haven't, who the fuck is that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 05:29 PM
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Emma Watson. "the more I’ve spoken about feminism, the more I have realized that fighting for women’s rights has too often become synonymous with man-hating. If there is one thing I know for certain, it is that this has to stop." "When at 18, my male friends were unable to express their feelings. I decided that I was a feminist, and this seemed uncomplicated to me, but my recent research has shown me that feminism has become an unpopular word." "I’ve seen men made fragile and insecure by a disto…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 05:20 PM
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I think men's issues exist because men are not the primary benefactors of this society - of course they aren't. The main benefactor is, always has been, and always will be, the rich. Which is why the term "male privilege" doesn't land. Are there benefits I gain from being male? Yes. But am I part of the privileged class, or anywhere near being an oppressor? Fuuuuck no. Calling our society a patriarchy is like calling a yacht a personal vehicle. Yeah, sure, but that's not the best descriptor. Our…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/24 03:33 AM
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Racism is worse, as I've said. Because of the thousands of years of historical context.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:49 PM
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It's implied or said outright by some women that a man who is short can't make them feel feminine/like a woman or can't protect. So that implies that men shorter than them are less of a man/less masculine or can't protect them, which implies something about their character (namely their masculinity and assertiveness). While this is true, it's missing what I said. I said: insulting someone's weight often implies an insult of their personal character - due to the fact that overweight people get th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:41 PM
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It's just the same percentile is all. Height and weight are not a good equivalent. Height and breast size are a much better comparison, and well, that's where the percentiles lie. A woman saying "swipe left if you're under six foot" is equivalent, percentage wise, to a man saying "if your cup size is a passing grade don't talk to me"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:16 PM
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Exactly the same? People become short by eating too much and being a lardass?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 09:15 PM
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I'm simply saying both statements are equally shallow. I have made no conclusions that women are less shallow than men. If your experience is that they are far more shallow, that would be congruent with mine. I'm simply saying the weight v height comparison is flawed, and offering an alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 08:50 PM
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I specifically mentioned women whose cup sizes are not a passing grade.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 08:48 PM
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I was referring to women with a cup size that isn't a variation of A, B, C, or D. I just find "your tits failed school" as a funny phrase is all (Note - DDD is the sister size of an F-cup, which is where failing grades begin on the boob grade index)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:58 PM
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I agree - and my evidence that it is is the fact that the two are treated the exact same. Plenty of men claim that all women care about is height, and that short guys get nothing. Women in the same spaces claim that isn't true, and that they like guys of all sizes. However, of course, short men do have problems dating - so there at the very least must be some truth to women's preference for taller men. Likewise, there are plenty of women with smaller breasts that claim that all men care about is…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:52 PM
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That may be the single most ridiculous strawman I have ever seen. No, racism is a far worse societal problem because societally people have not been lynched or enslaved due to their weight. Additionally, the reason why I said insulting someone's weight rather than their genetics was worse is because insulting someone's weight often implies an insult of their personal character - due to the fact that overweight people get there by eating unhealthy foods and generally not taking care of themselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 07:45 PM
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I mean, I completely agree that the two are not comparable. Insulting someone based on their weight is, in my opinion, worse - because you're also effectively insulting their self-control regarding food, as well as their self-discipline regarding exercise. When you insult someone's height, you're insulting their genetics. When you insult someone's weight, a hell of a lot more factors are at play. I believe a much better comparison is men's height compared to women's breast size. Around 10% of me…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 06:27 PM
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Riiight. Donna Hylton exists, should I completely stop caring about all women's issues because of that fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:59 PM
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Because MRAs are reactionaries and feminists don't care. Because of both of these things, men's issues are ill-defined. I've done a great deal of study on them, and can speak to quite a few things, but whenever I try and explain my findings, I inevitably get bombarded with questions about whether I know how bad being a woman is, and being called a misogynist - even though I never blame women for men's issues - I simply also don't blame men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:53 PM
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They don't think women are people.
/r/EverydayMisandry13/12/24 09:32 PM
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Meanwhile, the most common thing women have in their bio is "the way to win me over is food", or "I like to travel". Clearly not being interesting is not what causes this. Don't get me wrong, it affects it, but the average woman is just as boring as the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/24 05:26 PM
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I disagree. I've decentered women from my life, and undone the societal programming to endlessly want sex. Because of this, I no longer care about dating. I mean I care, but I could take it or leave it. Because of that, combined with the fact that the burden to approach is on men, I've been single for a long time - which I'm ok with, but I can't pretend like this has done anything but shrink my pool of potential options.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 05:45 PM
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It is.
/r/EverydayMisandry11/12/24 01:45 AM
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I mean hey, I'm always up for a chat
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:53 AM
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Hi
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/24 12:50 AM
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I think that a lot of women feel like they have such an obligation, and that rich people tend to complain about women who don't do it, contributing to said perceived obligation. I have met several childfree women, and the only thing I'm sad about is the fact that they won't create more like-minded people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:59 PM
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Sometimes it feels like playing the lottery - as in I'm legitimately and consciously choosing to be scammed for the hope that I may be proven wrong, only to be proven right again and again and again.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:50 PM
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I think it's because of how open I am about being a nerd on my profile, but that's who I am so. I've been told I give off Henry Cavill vibes - as in a big guy who is a nerd but doesn't look like one. I don't have his blue eyes and I'm short about 35 pounds of muscle, but still
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 11:19 PM
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Like the process of applying for jobs as a fresh college graduate, only more expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:59 PM
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This is actually a really good way to put it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:42 PM
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I am an above average looking man with above average education. I am above average height, strength, and intelligence. I'm not saying this to hype myself up - in fact, I hate mentioning it or being compared to others. I'm just trying to paint a picture here. I've been active on several dating apps for the past 6 months. I have gotten several matches, most of which were bots and scammers. I have not been on a single date. We're expected to approach, we're expected to plan the date, we're expected…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/24 10:30 PM
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"Get it? The joke is that the lives of 1 in 38 men will end in suicide! Isn't that FUNNY?"
/r/EverydayMisandry10/12/24 08:36 PM
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Fallacy of relative privation (also known as "appeal to worse problems" or "not as bad as") – dismissing an argument or complaint due to what are perceived to be more important problems.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/12/24 08:31 PM
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I was too young to be physically capable of getting someone pregnant. Lucky me I guess.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/24 08:43 PM
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Women are seen as less imposing, which can often be mistaken for a lower level of respect. In reality, it's just what happens when you're not seen as a threat.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/24 10:52 PM
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Now if this was in a vent sub I would understand "not the time or place" but everything after that is UNHINGED
/r/EverydayMisandry03/12/24 08:32 PM
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We shall construct the greatest pillow fort known to humankind
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:39 PM
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Actionable in the sense that if we allow trans people to exist and be themselves, they will bridge the gap for us naturally simply by existing and talking to people as a person who has lived both lives. So by reducing the stigma and eliminating anti-trans legislation, trans people will naturally help both sides of the gender divide. Regarding the system, fuck the system.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:39 PM
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Trans rights
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/24 03:36 PM
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Women's standards are higher now because they don't need to rely on men to provide or own property now. Online dating has further transactionalized this, as for women it is now easier than ever to jump ship at the first sign of something they don't like. I say this is for women not because men don't do this, but because most women will have sufficient likes and matches to be MUCH more picky than equally dateable men. Don't get me wrong, dating is harder for men, but it's nothing to do with women…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 05:21 PM
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And I'm throwing male-supporting points at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 05:50 PM
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31% of victims of non-consensual sex are male victims of female offenders. What are you, some kind of misandrist?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 05:47 PM
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Because it's a shit feeling. Women do it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:48 PM
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Hell yeah. ...can I still read smut?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:45 PM
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Considering, your words not mine, that women are worried about getting "the wrong" gifts... Whereas us guys are surprised if we get gifts at all? The answer to your question is a HARD no.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:35 PM
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I mean if it worked, sure. I'm certain it'd have holes - abusers could threaten to put their victims on the cheater registry if they left, that kind of thing. But in the hypothetical scenario in which it worked as intended, absolutely - go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 03:57 AM
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I'm here aren't I?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:51 PM
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Damn bro that's crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:49 PM
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I've crossed your bridge and answered your riddles, and yet you're still trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:32 PM
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Cause it made me a lot happier and I want people to be happy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:31 PM
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Ah. Well in that case, it seems I've misunderstood. Why do you think men are that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:30 PM
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Allow me to amend what I said. Therapy teaches you that you're not at fault for where you are, and then categorizes your problems and allows you to work on them one by one. At no point during therapy was I made to take accountability for my actions without being told that it wasn't my fault that I had to do this. The blame was never placed on me. Not once. Your original comment made it seem like you were saying that men were refusing to admit fault and that's why they don't go to therapy, when t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:24 PM
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I was also placed into a therapy program. For me, it was when I was 13. "Therapy is for women" has never been a thought of mine. It's only ever been the gaslighting that kept me away from it. Being told that I was fine when I clearly wasn't, being told that other kids were doing fine - so the fact that I'm not makes me a failure of a man... even though the other kids had their own issues. And being told that boys don't cry. It got to the point where I was a gifted student that had been placed in…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:17 PM
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Not mainly fathers. My dad never shamed me for that. My mom didn't either. It was my teachers, babysitters, guidance counselors, daycare workers - the people who were hired to teach me how the world works. Men without fathers are usually MORE emotionally stunted than men with fathers. Sorry, men cause a lot of pain but I just can't pin this one on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 05:08 PM
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I love that guy, thank you for posting this
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 04:55 PM
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Uhh... That's not what therapy does. Therapy takes and diagnoses the problem and allows you to work on it yourself. It's meant to categorize. Sure - things that are obviously, measurably, and exclusively your fault will be called out by the therapist - but that's a rarity. 90% of breakthroughs in therapy are "Oh? You have trouble with (thing)? That's because your parents were neglectful or abusive, that's not your fault, it's your parents' fault." or "Oh? You haven't applied to any jobs or done …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 04:54 PM
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Let me amend what I said earlier - men aren't shamed for opening up as often as boys are. For me, people largely stopped doing it once I became an adult and me and my peers matured as people. So I'm incredibly far behind my female peers in the realm of "not being emotionally stunted", and it still hurts to open up because the wound hasn't completely healed, and probably never will. Oh but - since there are numbers you can call, I'm fine now? Really? There's a hotline now - so I should either shu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 04:36 PM
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I'm not saying this doesn't happen to women - I'm sure it does. But there's a difference between "I'm new to this, it's gonna take me a while, I don't like it right now but I think that'll change" and "they're just gonna hurt me they're just gonna hurt me they're just gonna hurt me stay quiet stay quiet stay strong stay strong stay strong. You remember what happened the last time you cried in an office just like this one." One is discomfort, the other is trauma. One makes you uncomfortable for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 04:30 PM
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I did. It worked for me, but not right away. Men are shamed for expressing their feelings, shamed for thinking about their feelings, shamed for crying, etc. For me at least - it's quite literally just a trauma response. Opening up HURTS. Everything in my brain has been conditioned to scream "get away get away get away", and so I do. It took a long time for me to even be able to open up to my friends. I'd push them away because it's literally all I knew how to do. I can't talk about it, I can't t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 04:20 PM
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Men are shamed for expressing their feelings, shamed for thinking about their feelings, shamed for crying, etc. For me at least - it's quite literally just a trauma response. Opening up HURTS. Everything in my brain has been conditioned to scream "get away get away get away", and so I do. It took a long time for me to even be able to open up to my friends. I'd push them away because it's literally all I knew how to do. I spent years in talk therapy and lied more times than I can count. I've been…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 04:07 PM
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Simple. Hold people accountable, not groups based on underlying factors. I was raped as a kid by a woman, and have been assaulted multiple times since by women. I do not use those experiences to villainize women, because most women are good. But of course - that's the bare minimum level of respect to give someone, so I don't find it unfair to expect it from others.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/11/24 06:32 PM
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I'm not blaming white people for their violence - even if such does exist. I'm saying that if we blame men for their crimes - it is equally valid to blame women for theirs, and white people for theirs, and black people for theirs, and poor people for theirs, and so forth. However, we should do none of those things. I'm advocating against blaming entire groups for trends that have to do with such groups and attempting to do so by pointing out just how many skeletons are in each of our closets. I …
/r/EverydayMisandry26/11/24 03:37 PM
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Brother - "potentially lethal to be around" is literally how women see us guys a lot of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 02:58 AM
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This is true, but they're the best option when compared to other factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 10:47 PM
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in the same way that having a bicycle to travel 400 miles is better than walking, when you can also buy a plane ticket.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 08:53 PM
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-EDIT- clarification Pepper spray can be countered by wind and eye coverings, and only taser guns are effective - and even so, can be countered by thick clothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 07:24 PM
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Seriously though. I hear so much about how scared women are all the time - and I sympathize with that. A lot. Because of this, I strongly advocate for more women to own and carry guns. If there's anything I've learned about creeps in my time - you probably won't have to use it. Having it is enough. And if you do have to use it, it's good that you have it, no? And if you've got reservations about ending the life of a would-be rapist - first of all, don't - second of all, get a pepperball gun, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 07:04 PM
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I made my comment, realized it didn't go far enough, edited it, then you commented. I didn't change anything from my comment, just added to it. My original comment was: Respectfully what? You can't be serious. Tell me - when the olympics have their figure skating tournament - is more effort required from the performers, or the judges?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 05:02 PM
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There are only two men that women should rely on for protection and their names are Smith & Wesson.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:29 PM
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No, that's a shit comparison to the dating world. But I'm not going to sit here and pretend that women have it harder because they need to watch someone put effort in and use that to determine whether a standard is met.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:26 PM
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Respectfully what? Your words, not mine. A man has to: Find a way to demonstrate reliability Find a way to demonstrate trustworthiness Find a way to demonstrate that he has structure Plan the entire date and often times pay for it too Demonstrate self-discipline Demonstrate his focus and his ability to put in effort Show he has direction Show he has the ability to protect Show that he can provide (prove he isn't poor) And a woman has to: Lean back and watch You can't be serious. This shit is bai…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/24 04:15 PM
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Could you please tell me what the core tenets of "the red pill" are, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 05:25 PM
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Dating apps promote the transactional bullshit that the red pill is synonymous with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 02:56 PM
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Then don't have sex with him and just move on if he's an asshole. If he's an asshole she deserves better
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 01:49 PM
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Then start approaching men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/24 01:30 PM
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not having sex on the first date isn't mutually exclusive with not approaching men. Doing both in tandem work together to lower the chances of being used by some guy who has no interest in us, or a real relationship Not having sex with men right away reduces the possibility of them using you for sex. Dating would be even easier for women if they approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 07:16 PM
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You seem to not understand what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying these things are equivalent, I'm saying that the fact there's a chance you'll get used is not an excuse to not approach - and if it is, it should work for men too. Needs aren't the only reason people get used. People get used for wants all the time. If you're worried about being used for sex... don't have sex with men on the first date. If he expects you to, he's a dick, and very few people worth their weight in shit would object …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 06:41 PM
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If wanting to be treated well is unmasculine, I don't want to be masculine. I'll start wearing dresses if necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 06:39 PM
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I guarantee you your initial response would have been completely different if I were a woman stating that men who cook are hot - even though it's not a traditionally masculine trait. But since I'm a man, wanting nice things automatically means I'm an undateable asshole. Please use some time to reflect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 06:36 PM
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No it's because I have generalized anxiety disorder and don't like to approach out of fear of making women uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 06:27 PM
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How is it both "a man who can't cook is known as a child" and ALSO "patriarchy is the reason why she can't pay the bills"
/r/EverydayMisandry20/11/24 05:55 PM
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I acknowledge the difference, yes. But saying something's a bad idea because it might go wrong doesn't work here. Things go poorly for men who approach all the time. Women aren't the only people who get taken advantage of. "I don't want to approach" "Why" "(thing that also happens to men who approach)" I'm not saying there's not a difference - I'm saying that men are still expected to approach despite these problems, so a woman choosing not to approach because of these problems is like a man say…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 05:27 PM
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I completely disagree - I have met several men who have been used for money and affection for years or even decades. A few of which are family members of mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 04:52 PM
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Considering stories told by women in my life, I think you're just lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 04:50 PM
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And there are plenty of women who agree to dates so that they can get a free meal, free drinks, and a free man to use as an emotional pincushion for a night.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:47 PM
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Shit. I gotta start approaching. Damn, I wish I was a woman sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:16 PM
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And plenty of women will say yes so that she can use him for free food, drinks, and a free emotional pincushion. I'm not saying it's always gonna go right, but it'll have a higher success rate finding good men than dolling yourself up and waiting for a man to decide that your personal space is worth less than his chance at a score.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:10 PM
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He's trying to butter you up and make you more likely to be receptive to his advances. This is gonna be blunt but if you don't like dating fuckboys, start approaching men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:00 PM
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I mean hey, if not approaching works for you, more power to you. Doesn't stop me from being jealous of women's privilege to put comparably little effort into finding a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:58 PM
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What I'm saying is that good men are way more likely to not approach out of fear of rejection or to not approach due to fear of making you uncomfortable. Bad men do not have such fears, and are as such more likely to approach. If you never approach men, your view of them will be skewed based on the ones who approach you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:56 PM
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Doesn't stop me from being jealous, though
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:33 PM
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Right, right. So male privilege doesn't exist here?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:30 PM
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Women having the occasional privilege does not make this society gynocentric. If that was the metric by which societies are ranked, you'd believe in patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:27 PM
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I am jealous
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:24 PM
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Us too lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:22 PM
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As a socially anxious man, holy shit I am jealous.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:21 PM
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If he says yes that's a pretty good indicator. (Good) Men will approach women they want to approach about 10% of the time. The other 90%, he's either not in the right headspace, you might seem closed off, or it's not in the right time or place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:21 PM
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If he says yes that's a pretty good indicator. (Good) Men will approach women they want to approach about 10% of the time. The other 90%, he's either not in the right headspace, you might seem closed off, or it's not in the right time or place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:21 PM
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I'm far more interested in any woman confident enough to pursue me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:18 PM
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I mean if it works for you, more power to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:18 PM
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Tons of good ones don't, but just about every straight cishet male asshole will, so you're going to have skewed results is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:15 PM
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So your strategy for finding a man is "I'm gonna doll myself up and wait for a man to decide that my personal space is worth less than his chance at a score" You're gonna get a disproportionate number of fuckboys.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:14 PM
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Not true in the slightest. I would argue that when a (good) man is interested, the overwhelming majority of the time he will not approach. It takes such a specific context in a specific scenario while he's in a specific mood. Good men approach women they like less than 20% of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:12 PM
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Well maybe you should
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 02:08 PM
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How precisely is our society gynocentric? Don't get me wrong - I was red pill before, but I've decentered women from my life. Society is not gynocentric, your view of it is. It's gynocentric because you put women at the center of your life - a place that should be occupied by yourself - or one woman, once you get a good one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/24 03:16 AM
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in the future, just right click and press "open in incognito window" it won't save it to your history or algorithm
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:20 PM
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So I'd like to agree with you, but feminists still haven't talked about, mentioned, or denounced the NISVS's treatment of male victims of women - and that's not due to actions of bad feminists, that's inaction by good feminists. It may seem a bit nitpicky, but this is readily available information from a study that is consistently cited by feminist sources. Until that changes, I can't agree that (MODERN) feminism is about equality of the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 03:18 PM
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It really is. Not a day goes by where I don't think about how much happier, safer, and more empathetic the world would be if parents weren't so cruel to boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 02:05 AM
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What do you mean? The men in my life have been largely supportive of me and my emotional state - we just have difficult actually doing it because we were neglected and shamed for it as kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:53 AM
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If it were, they would have denounced The NISVS's treatment of male victims of women. Due to the fact that they haven't, I cannot in good faith say that feminism is about equality. The moment - and I mean the moment they do, I'll go directly to a women's march and start supporting them. But until then, they seem to not think guys like me exist, so I'll stay in the background.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/24 01:31 AM
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I used to have longer hair, and it took that for me to realize just how reserved people are around me because, well - when my hair was down to my shoulders, women would treat me like a person, and not like a man. It's not things that do happen, it's the complete and total lack of nice things and empathetic, meaningful conversation that women are willing to have with me when I don't look the way I do now. It sounds dumb, but it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:53 PM
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Heh, well that's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:47 PM
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Anyone who says "not all men but always a man" - I'm a male victim of several women, so this statement logically follows from a place that assumes I don't exist or matter. Also anyone who makes sweeping generalizations about men - I'm not a rapist, murderer, or bad person - so I'd like to not be treated like I'm any of those things. Anyone who blames white men, men as a whole, or gen z for how dogshit America's voting tendencies are. I'm not with them, I'd like to stop being lumped in with them …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:36 PM
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"Your body, my choice" is also rage bait. Should women ignore it? Because I won't ignore it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:36 PM
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Ah, allow me to clarify: I don't care who the bigotry is against, I oppose bigotry. Complacency in the demonization of people based on underlying factors, regardless of whether it applies to me, is bad. If even guys like Vaush can't say a single nice or non-discriminatory thing about men without being called a rape apologist by thousands of people, there's a problem - and we won't be able to unite unless it's fixed. When I was young, I was a conservative - I was a fairly childish child. The reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:35 PM
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The difference is so much smaller than anyone seems to think it is
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:21 PM
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It's not guilt, more frustration at being treated like I don't exist or matter. It's sort of like the "not all muslims are trrorists, *But**" thing echoed by grifters defending the muslim ban from Trump's first term
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:19 PM
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One specific man not taking the demonization to heart doesn't mean the demonization just straight up doesn't exist or matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:16 PM
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I'm a man who voted for kamala and feels that way. Hello, I do exist. For as long as I can remember, the rhetoric has been "men created every problem in society and men need to do better". So literally all conservatives had to do was look to lonely or disenfranchised men and say "look at these assholes, you haven't done anything and yet they say you're the problem" and then boom 70% of white men vote for trump. Obviously I'm being facetious - it's more complicated than that, but those are the se…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 04:10 PM
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It's a reductionist, hedonistic view of dating that sours the perception of men as a whole by women who are unfortunate enough to be exposed to it. Meaning I have to deal with the consequences of the actions of undesirable RP men. That's what I hate about the ideology itself. The people in it? Depends. A lot of TRP guys in this sub I dislike because they just seem to lack empathy and not want to date for love. Which sucks because I really, REALLY want to be loved. Guys like Andrew Tate, Adin Ros…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/24 02:25 AM
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I brought sources too
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 10:11 PM
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Sis really hit me with a "who asked" after her bigotry was laid out in front of her
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/24 05:59 PM
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I'm sorry, but when someone defends "not all men but always a man", I can't just not take issue with it. It causes too much damage for me to stay quiet.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:36 PM
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Conversations sometimes progress to other topics??? I'm sorry, but when someone defends "not all men but always a man", I can't just not take issue with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:23 PM
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You made a statement about something being misogynistic, I asked if an inverse would be misandrist to confirm whether you were consistent. You responded by affirming the first half of my question, and making a false statement about the second half. I corrected you, and you are now asking why what I said was relevant in an attempt to sidestep engaging with my points. What you said was not factually accurate even though you affirm that it is, and I have provided evidence for such.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 06:16 PM
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Expanding on my other comment: Rape statistics often use a definition that requires the victim be the one being penetrated, which erases most male victims of women, as mechanically speaking that's simply not how women rape. So take this source From the CDC, and include "Made to Penetrate" as rape for the 12-month prevalence column (Page 32, PDF page 36). If you don't trust a link from me since I'm a random internet stranger, this is the NISVS's report on sexual violence from the year 2016 - the …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:57 PM
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It's not factually accurate, though. I and multiple male and female friends of mine have been assaulted, stalked, groped, and raped by women. Male victims of women make up 31% of victims of heterosexual forced sex. I say forced sex because studies use definitions for rape that are designed to erase male victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:53 PM
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It is only ok to disregard what people say when their actions are in stark contrast to their words. Doesn't matter what you look like or what's in your pants, if you say one thing and do another, I will disregard what you said in favor of what you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:43 PM
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Not disagreeing, but is the phrase "all men want is sex" or the phrase "not all men but always a man" a misandrist phrase?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 05:41 PM
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Precisely what I was getting at, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 04:39 PM
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Luckily it's banned now but it took a petition to do that for some reason.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/24 04:38 PM
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That's the thing. I don't ask for anything in return, nor do I expect it. I don't want to be transactional whatsoever. You're right. That would be fake. I could list specific examples from my life about how women have come to me and told me that I'm "the only guy who didn't just want sex" or how hard I work to make the women around me feel safe, but judging by your immediate assumptions about me, I don't think you'd believe me. There's a big difference between asking for something in return and …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 04:36 PM
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Women fetishizing circumcision of literal babies
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/24 04:11 PM
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It's just another way of saying, "actions speak louder than words." I could listen to women talk about how attractive good and/or emotional guys are until the cows come home, doesn't change my experience. My experience is that being friendly and emotionally available has gotten me nothing but apathy and lipservice if I'm lucky. Good friends, no romance. Until that changes, I will assume those words are untrue, as I have seen vanishingly small levels of evidence to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 03:59 PM
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Nick Fuentes said it and a few other incels started barking it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/24 02:58 PM
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"paying students to have sex with her". Jesus Fucking Christ. Like, it's not like female victims get coddled or are always treated right or anything, but what the fuck can us guys at least be given the bare fucking minimum of "not using euphemisms to describe rape of minors"????
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/24 09:30 PM
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I always respond to this sentiment by pointing out that 85% of gynecologists and 80% of all healthcare professionals are women. Women have a lot of grievances with the healthcare sector, particularly regarding pain management. But don't worry, it's other women doing that! I then say "if you were talking about how you weren't given pain meds for an IUD insertion, and I jumped in and mentioned how 85% of gynecologists are women and told you that issue was self inflicted, would that be a good faith…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/24 09:32 PM
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I hope so. But probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/24 09:25 PM
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Ensuring that your sentiment will only last a generation is not a good move. However, there are better ones. Studies find that political views are at least somewhat heritable, so just find some guy you like and encourage him to donate sperm.
/r/EverydayMisandry14/11/24 02:50 PM
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The solution is empathy - which it seems we both display. Though as I'm sure you know all too well, it's far too uncommon.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 08:25 PM
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Well, in that case - thank you for being the way you are. I cannot say that's been my experience, though. Me being a man has only ever been a downside in my social interactions, save for when I need to puff my chest out to ward off a creep and/or make someone feel safe. But even then, It's not a feeling of accomplishment, just shame. It doesn't seem to matter how long I've known a woman. I'm still a man, and that has connotations.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 08:05 PM
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Similarly, I don't think women really understand the societal ramifications of being a man. When I meet a new person, I can't just say hi. In doing so, I need to prove myself safe. In every single new interaction as an adult, I have to prove that I'm not a monster somehow. Tell me - if forced to choose, who would you rather comfort if you found them crying? A male friend, or a woman you met in a bathroom 10 seconds ago? How long would you have had to know that man for it to switch? Weeks? Months…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:48 PM
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Doesn't have to be
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:43 PM
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Because of the price hikes on everything, having children is a lot less financially viable now - especially for educated people who have to deal with student loans. Just watch Idiocracy if you're wondering what to expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:17 PM
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I consider myself a feminist and believe in equal rights for women, but I'm not going to pretend that society sees men as people if they aren't rich. Not that society sees nonrich women as people, but the number of people who are actually treated well is vanishingly small. This society was made by rich, white, men. Of those three adjectives, "white" and "men" matter so little in comparison to "rich", that I cannot in good faith say it's even comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 04:08 PM
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Right - being denied personhood... like, for instance, if you're compared to a literal apex predator and found to be the less preferable option to come across in the wild. Meaning you're not considered a person, you're not even considered a predator, you're considered worse, and constantly compared to the absolute lowest scum society has to offer based on nothing other than the way you look. Something like that perhaps? Or, maybe, being treated like you're a monster when you just spend time with…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/24 03:48 PM
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The fucking what
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/24 09:12 PM
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https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/politics/2020-2016-exit-polls-2024-dg/
/r/EverydayMisandry06/11/24 07:49 PM
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Trump led in votes by 8 points among white women - a majority of white women voted for trump. 20 million fewer people voted in 2024 than 2020. This is the fault of one group - people who didn't vote. Not men, not white men, not white women, not latino men, no. Inaction caused this, not action.
/r/EverydayMisandry06/11/24 07:44 PM
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Date men
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 12:20 AM
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While I don't entirely disagree with your message about exploitation, Feminists have wildly different views on sex work. It's sort of like abortion for libertarians. Mentioning it rarely ends well. And no, we do not live in a matriarchy. We live in a plutocracy that is designed to put people in boxes. And to exploit the greatest insecurities of every man, woman, and child for personal monetary gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/24 08:45 PM
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It's quite literally just the refutation of gender norms. I don't understand why people who claim to be feminists can't get behind that.
/r/EverydayMisandry01/11/24 07:48 PM
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Humans are social creatures. Yes. Not important to survive, extremely important to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 06:23 PM
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I'm a guy who hits the gym, am a firefighter-in-training, and can very much be threatening when I need to be to keep someone safe. I'm not one for gender roles but I am a fairly masculine person the overwhelming majority of the time. However, the idea of gentle femdom, specifically an amazonian muscular woman just absolutely disarming me with words and telling me exactly what to do... Hoo boy. Call me Brock Samson because I'll gladly submit to that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/24 05:19 PM
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If feminism gave a single solitary fuck about men they would have denounced studies that don't count male rape victims as true victims by now. Like - seriously. The moment that happens, I'll be at a women's march within the hour. But it hasn't, so I'm here until it does.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/10/24 07:30 PM
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Knowing me, I'd probably try to saddle both and end up being a tradwife who just trades stocks a lot and has a few side hustles. If I woke up as a woman tomorrow, the first thing I'd do is buy a gun (because I know how creeps work). Then I'd try and figure the rest out on the fly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/24 01:15 PM
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All good.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 06:43 PM
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The claim that men leave their sick wives is based on a study that has since been retracted due to an error in the data collection process. Nobody has been able to replicate their findings outside of anecdotes. The claim is now completely unsubstantiated and exists due to negative stereotypes. https://retractionwatch.com/2015/07/21/to-our-horror-widely-reported-study-suggesting-divorce-is-more-likely-when-wives-fall-ill-gets-axed/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 04:26 PM
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I believe in equality. I believe feminism has been a net gain throughout history. However, I don't really associate myself with the modern movement. The reason I hesitate to associate with the feminist movement is the fact that they seem to be strangely selective on issues that are covered. For instance, the NISVS and most studies that cover SA and rape, as well as multiple world governments and Idaho for some reason - don't see a woman raping a man as rape. The moment feminism publicly denounce…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 01:45 PM
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That's fairly reductionist. Should a woman avoid the ick so long as a man keeps his job and money?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 12:08 PM
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No, it would make me want to hold and comfort her. I'm horrified at the idea of not being able to keep her safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/24 12:05 PM
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Hell yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 07:09 PM
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I don't, but I absolutely understand why some guys do. There's less than a 1% chance per swipe of getting a match, and that's coming from a guy who's conventionally attractive. Like, we're talking 0.05% chance of a match per swipe. Say it takes you 10 seconds to go over a bio and make a decision. That puts you at 6 hours of reading per match. Or you could buy a week of premium for unlimited swipes, spam it for 10 minutes, and just unmatch if someone isn't your type. Again - I do not do this, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/24 03:17 PM
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What the fuck I had never heard of this video. Holy shit.
/r/EverydayMisandry25/10/24 02:46 AM
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In high school I got harassed and had threats levied against my family by a woman and the principal called me into her office to ask me what I was doing to 'provoke' someone into going into detail about precisely which of mine and my families' arteries she wished to cut.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/24 03:46 PM
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This NISVS is from 2016. The FBI updated their definition for rape in 2013. Of course - this should never have been in question. Rape is rape, doesn't matter what's in your pants.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/24 12:02 PM
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They'd have doctors specialized in hormone regulation watching and regulating their hormones.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:43 AM
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I'm referring to toxic masculinity depriving men of emotional freedom and calling on the fact that deprived children become depraved adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:27 AM
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True - though that's more because of men's greater capacity for harm - not violence in and of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:20 AM
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Absolutely. And men are more violent because of centuries of gaslighting and neglect.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:16 AM
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That's not what I've done. Toxic masculinity can only be ended if we take a long, hard look at where it sprouts from. I've told you where it is and told you what needs to be done, and you've told me to do it myself. I also said that all feminists need to do is post "the NISVS discriminates against male victims of women and I am against the idea that victims should be judged based on gender" and hit send. It took me 20 seconds to type that out. You have told me to do both things myself, so I'm fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:05 AM
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So to recap, you - a feminist - do not wish to denounce things that discriminate against men, nor do you wish to call out specific professions for upholding toxic masculinity. Otherwise, why would you tell me to "do it myself"? Sounds like your version of feminism isn't for everyone after all. I'll stay over here, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 01:58 AM
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Really? Equality? Then show me a feminist denouncing the NISVS for its treatment of male victims of women. If feminism were for everyone, they would have done so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 01:51 AM
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Heh, facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 01:50 AM
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I agree. ...but nobody claims women are more violent. Nobody uses female violence to justify comparing women to wild animals or make excuses for people who hurt or hate women as a group. Nobody sees a crime women commit more (such as infanticide or child abuse) and use it to say women should be barred from being around children. The very act of pointing out the trend has been soured by people who use it to justify horrible things.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 01:49 AM
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Please show me a feminist source even acknowledging the neglect and abuse of boys and its effects on levels of violence, then calling for teachers, parents, guidance counselors, pediatricians, childhood developmental psychologists, daycare workers, babysitters, and therapists (all female-dominated fields) to do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 01:39 AM
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Yes, and - on average - people of color commit more crime. Most of them are good people, I'm not talking about all or most of them, but on average... Its foundations within a real trend do not make it any less of a destructive stereotype.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 01:37 AM
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I agree but want to address driving stuff. While women get into fewer accidents, this is not because they are better drivers. It is because they drive less. Men drive 62% of the miles and get into 58% of the accidents. https://www.malmanlaw.com/malman-law-injury-blog/who-causes-more-car-accidents-men-or-women/ (though we do also drive drunk more. This is because men are more likely to be alcoholics.) Also - the stuff about men doing anything for sex is a hilariously harmful stereotype that gives…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 01:07 AM
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Men are just as emotional as women, yes. However, on the topic of violence... https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/ Evidence shows that trans people (trans women are women btw), even after both hormonal and surgical transition, seem to hold onto the rates of violence of their birth sex, rather than their preferred sex. This is out of the ordinary for trans statistics and suggests something: Whatever the largest cause of the discrepancy in male and female violence is, it mus…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 01:01 AM
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Yes, but if I were to use those it could be countered with "this newer study disagrees". I am giving literally the maximum possible benefit of doubt to the opposition as to ensure there is no wiggle room
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/24 10:44 PM
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That's how it's worded, but if you go into their methods, they explain that that number does indeed include attempts. They care about men so little that they didn't even bother to get the grammar right in a proofread study.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/24 10:40 PM
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Also true.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/24 10:37 PM
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Those are the yearly stats in the second half.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/24 10:09 PM
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so the NISVS is the best study that currently exists in the United States and greater western world. https://www.cdc.gov/nisvs/documentation/nisvsReportonSexualViolence.pdf Here's the PDF. I've made multiple posts about it and this is pretty much completely copied from those. (They include both attempts and completions of rape in the same metric). It's not overinflated per se, more that rape statistics against MEN are artificially deflated by the people who write the studies. They're not making …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/24 08:19 PM
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Absolutely fits the definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 07:30 PM
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What are their goals, what have they done to achieve them, and what goals did they have in the past but have already completed?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 02:12 PM
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Because the main problem that men as a group face is the fact that we've been gaslit into compliance by oligarchs with the ridiculous idea that masculinity is synonymous with "do what you're told and don't cry about it". A century. A CENTURY of inaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:52 PM
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While we probably disagree on quite a lot - still, thank you for backing me up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:49 PM
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Seriously? Refusing to do literally anything about society's blatant discrimination against male victims of RAPE? You don't think that'd be even a minor sticking point?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:46 PM
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That movement would absolutely oppose feminism considering their choice to remain silent on men's issues, which would only make the feminist stance harder to defend. That is not in the best interest of feminists, therefore it would be wise for feminism to pivot to a more egalitarian stance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:30 PM
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I expect equality movements to be for equality
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:22 PM
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There's an incredible level of impostor syndrome when it comes to these things - we subconsciously gaslight ourselves into thinking it's not as important or not as severe as it actually is. It was probably just overshadowed, yes - but do some introflection - it might effect you more than you think. To me at the time, it was an annoyance too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 11:02 PM
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Are you sure you harbor no trauma from being SAed by a woman? Take it from me - that sort of thing has a way of sneaking up on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:48 PM
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Because MRAs are reactionaries. They aren't fighting for some sort of goal - they just oppose the parts of feminism which they don't like. It's all well and good to call out bad actors in the feminist movement, but they're not actually doing anything for men, materially speaking. My rapist, harasser, and stalker as well as everyone (except one) who has groped me in my lifetime were all women (they were all separate people) - so I feel like that's why our experiences differ - I've had a lot more …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:34 PM
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I've gotten mixed reactions from both men and women - but feminism's silence in particular is the reason why I hesitate to associate myself with the greater movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:16 PM
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Seriously though - this is and some of the wording used during feminist discourse are literally the only things that keep me from going to women's marches and using the blue pill flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:10 PM
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Well I'm glad someone appreciates it lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 10:05 PM
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Generally, I respect the movement. I strongly respect their work throughout history and believe that historically it's been a net gain. I have no problems with what they (REAL feminists) do. What they don't do, however... They're strangely silent on issues like how male victims of women are treated by studies and several western governments, has dissuaded me from truly associating with the greater movement. Silence is compliance and I will not be part of something that is compliant in something …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 09:15 PM
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Someone who doesn't care about a social line or making people uncomfortable. Or worse, enjoys making people uncomfortable because it makes them feel powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 05:25 PM
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I agree, but if we're selective with our empathy, those outside it will be selective with theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:20 PM
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I agree, but this is far from black and white. Nobody has it easy in the dating world. We're all in shit. It's just that women are in shit while men are deeper in shit and the shit is acidic and on fire.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 12:31 PM
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Absolutely. And it's not that dating is safe for men, just disproportionately so. Similarly, dating is not easy for women, just massively disproportionately so.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 12:18 PM
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I mean I do believe that women have a less difficult time in the dating scene, it's just that unattractive women and unattractive men are both in the shit. Or rather, we're all in the shit, but some of the shit is extra shitty and on fire, whereas the others are simply in shit
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 02:19 AM
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So that would put you at athlete level. Are you single? If so, what do you think is the reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 02:02 AM
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Which is why women have to share their location with their friends, never leave their drink unattended, always meet in a public place... Because it's safe and easy, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 02:00 AM
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I agree, but I don't think the word "easy" should be placed anywhere near the modern dating environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:58 AM
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So it's a matter of personal preference, and thus, attributing privilege to either side is foolish.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:53 AM
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Right. And I personally cannot stand hookup culture or the idea of casual sex. So when I'm trying to find someone to love and they just use me and leave me or are embarassed to be seen with me? I mean I'd hit the gym after that but for a while it would suck
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:52 AM
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Is it better to be single or with someone who doesn't respect you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:47 AM
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They declare "all men want is sex" because for them, it's true. So many stories of overweight women having boyfriends who do not want to be seen in public with them, as many men find attractive women to be "something to show off to my friends" - and a fat woman is the inverse - she's seen as a stain on that man's reputation. Which is, of course, incredibly dehumanizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:29 AM
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What is your BMI? Do you meet those standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:27 AM
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Let's be completely honest for a second - nobody has it easy in the dating world. There are people who have it better than others (namely young, attractive women), but that does not mean it isn't without risks or struggles. You're completely right though - people don't consider the experiences of conventionally unattractive people, and that includes conventionally unattractive women As true as this is, conventionally unattractive women are still privileged in dating compared to similarly unattra…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 01:23 AM
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Yeah, it's a prisoner's dillema. I don't swipe right on everyone, so I get jack shit for matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 09:41 PM
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As a conventionally attractive man on multiple dating apps, it's neither - it's just straight up bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 09:08 PM
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I'd go with better quality if I got matches lmao Give me a bunch to sift through.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 09:07 PM
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Absolutely agree - but it's a prisoner's dillemma. If you have high standards as a man - that's great! But there are just as many men who are desperate for a relationship - so women get with those men because of how easy it is, and because those men are more willing to sacrifice to stay in a relationship (the power dynamic). So men with high standards, or standards at all - men who want to be treated as a partner and not used? They die alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 09:03 PM
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Ah, I see. If I'm being honest, these stats probably aren't true anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 08:31 PM
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Ah yes, men caring about women's lives is proof that men don't have legitimate grievances with society.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/10/24 07:48 PM
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it is an old idea, yes. But old ideas really only seem to be discarded when they disproportionately negatively affect women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:26 PM
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It has NOTHING to do with supply & demand. Women control the entire market Brother, that's what supply and demand means. They cornered the market. the apps are all but dead & yes that is womens fault. If they are gonna disclude 95% of men from even being able to participate from dating what do you think happens? While there is truth to this statement, more than a third of gen Z men aren't actively looking for a relationship. Men have their piece to play in the downfall of dating apps. You may sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 03:22 PM
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her poor son
/r/EverydayMisandry21/10/24 03:14 PM
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Absolutely, but that's never going to happen. Because there will always be more lonely fuckboys vying for female attention than the same from women, considering women get a lot more attention from men - which is often unwanted - but attention is attention. So long as women are considered "the prize", this problem will continue to exist. Men need dating apps more than women do, so of course men will be less selective. We take what we can get because that's the only option. You can't be selective …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:33 PM
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First of all - that's exclusively Tinder. Second, later in your source it shows active and paying users. <image> Sure - half of accounts are women, but they don't use them. For every active woman, there's three active men. Your source would include women simply having an account, their account could be inactive for years and it would still count. While you do absolutely have a point - as your source later points out that women swipe right on 1 in 13 men and men swipe right on half of women, that…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 02:12 PM
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https://www.netimperative.com/2019/04/05/online-dating-trends-men-outnumber-women-on-tinder-by-9-to-1-while-grinder-wins-for-age-diversity/ Men outnumber women on dating apps 9 to 1 in Europe. This does not account for the large portion of female accounts that are bots or scammers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:51 PM
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I mostly agree. Dating apps are and always have had significantly more men than women. It's supply and demand. You're right that men with low standards have caused this - but the bottom 20% of men, standards wise, are enough to cover literally every woman on the app - leaving 60% of people on the app out to dry.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 01:37 PM
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Funnily enough, that's one of the reasons I chose to post here. I expected more engagement than I got.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 09:57 PM
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But why? Why not officially recognize an act which causes equal trauma and requires equal depravity as the same act - or at least in the same category? What do you have against the idea of recognizing male victims?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 07:09 PM
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I'm gonna be completely honest. I don't think we've seen true masculinity on a large scale for centuries, if not more. Considering the modern view of masculinity has its roots in "do your job and shut up"... that is not masculinity. That is gaslighting from the ruling class to turn us into obedient workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 05:13 PM
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So... Slavery. She thinks slavery is the answer.
/r/EverydayMisandry20/10/24 05:08 PM
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I'd like a woman to approach me or at least make it abundantly clear that she is into me with direct communication. I want this because I understand and respect the reservations women have with random men approaching them. After that point, I don't much care as long as she's a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 05:05 PM
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I'm disappointed that more people didn't engage with the post. As I said in another comment, silence is compliance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 01:40 PM
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Men hold it up too of course but I unfortunately can't disagree. Dozens of people worked hundreds of hours to drill toxic masculinity into my brain. To hurt me, to throw me into the cold when what I needed was warmth. Only one of them was a man. This is anecdotal so take it with a grain of salt - but in my experience, women sow the seeds of it and men simply fail to offer each other an alternative. Which is of course why we have so many disgruntled young men running to assholes like Andrew Tate.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 01:37 PM
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I'm... not surprised. Do you have a source for that - I'd like to read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 01:31 PM
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I struggle to understand how someone can disagree with that and not realize that it makes them a rape apologist. It's really the only thing stopping me from calling myself a feminist. If feminism was for everyone, you'd see widespread denunciations of the NISVS's treatment of male victims and perpetuation of rape culture. Silence is compliance. You hear "a rising tide raises all boats" and it's like, sure, you can say feminism is for everyone until the cows come home. But actions speak louder th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 12:02 PM
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I don't either. Literally the only thing I can think of is that either the CDC doesn't see male victims as true victims, or that they have some sort of vested interest in separating male victims of women from the definition of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 01:42 AM
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https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/violent-crime/rape#:\~:text=The%20revised%20UCR%20definition%20of,the%20consent%20of%20the%20victim. Since 2013, it has been. (it simply does not require that the victim be the one penetrated) Now, there's something to be said about the fact that rape against a man only became considered such 11 years ago, but I digress. The CDC could have used a unisex definition, but chose not to. Instead, there are now two definitions for rape t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 01:37 AM
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Then why not just use the legal definition? What goal is achieved by differentiating?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 01:33 AM
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The theologian? Of the Christian church which held immense wealth and influence over rich people?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 01:12 AM
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The thing is, people who are dictating how sexism work have never ALWAYS been the rich. Please name me one influential patriarch that was poor and was not influential simply by influencing rich people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 12:55 AM
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And it's not like it just falls out of the sky. A lot of that comes from trauma, which sucks. Plenty of racists are created by bad experiences with people of color. Plenty of antisemites are created by bad experiences with jewish people. All of these people should be classed the same way. There is no such thing as justified bigotry.
/r/EverydayMisandry20/10/24 12:49 AM
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Rich white men? I don't agree. There were plenty of brown "patriarchs". Yes. White was the second least valuable of those three things. You might think the concept was distorted till it become a bogeyman, where every men is considered a conspirator from this secret club called patruarchy. I would agree with that too. Then call it a plutocracy - rich people have the power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 12:47 AM
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Rich, white, men. Of those three things, "men" matters the least.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/24 12:28 AM
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Rape and MTP are the same action with different median levels of severity. They both involve forcing yourself on another person either violently or through threats of violence or drug facilitation. Like how attempted murder through strangulation and attempted murder with a gun are the same crime with the same charge - just that the former would likely have a lighter sentence due to the context. My point is that they are the same action. The only difference between rape and MTP is that one tends …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 12:22 AM
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Ok, more specifically though. Is MTP rape, or is it just sexual assault?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 12:16 AM
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It's because the judge and jury already weigh the sentencing of a convicted person based on the level of violence of the individual instance of the crime. Both rape and MTP are violent and may include weapons - but a man raping a woman with threats and bare hands would be less risky than a woman raping a man with a knife or gun. Which is why we should class both as the same thing and leave the question of physical risk to the court, as it of course varies from instance to instance. Your average …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 12:06 AM
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I know that. MTP is still rape and should be treated as such. It is not sexual assault, it is not sexual battery, it is rape. Being raped already comes with incredible levels of impostor syndrome. "Was I really raped? Did that really happen? Do I really deserve care?" - it's brutal. Going to 85% of male victims (again, with similar levels of trauma) and saying "no, you weren't raped, someone just violently forced themselves on you" helps nobody but the rapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 11:55 PM
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Yes, and sexual assault is a lesser crime than rape, despite male and female victims facing similar levels of post-traumatic stress after being victim to forced sex. EDIT: found the study on trauma: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10135558/#:%7E:text=Men%20are%20generally%20seen%20to,to%20worse%20results%20%5B8%5D I really don't like the idea of determining what's rape and what isn't based on the contents of the underpants of who is doing what considering they are similarly damaging in …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 11:45 PM
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I understand that but we treat all of those as rape, just different kinds and "levels" for lack of a better term. This study has chosen not to do that, effectively erasing 85% of male victims from rape statistics. The important part here is the fact that rape is a crime and "forced to penetrate" isn't in any legal texts, so this makes the FoM violence issue look way smaller than it actually is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 11:34 PM
42

You see, they don't actually care about victims - they just hate men and want to justify it using anything they can find. People use the same tactic against pretty much any group that people hate. Matt Walsh only cares about racism when it happens to white people. He doesn't actually care about that racism - he just uses it as a way to justify his own hatred of people from different walks of life. Similarly, women like the subject of this post (and the 39,000 people who liked it) have never once…
/r/EverydayMisandry19/10/24 09:41 PM
26

I know, right? Like... WE DO EXPERIMENT ON MEN.
/r/EverydayMisandry17/10/24 11:35 AM
2

Excuse me waiter, I asked for extra titty
/r/EverydayMisandry17/10/24 11:26 AM
39

Yes of course - I am male, I have my peanits - one patriarchy with a side of trophy wives, please
/r/EverydayMisandry16/10/24 12:53 PM
54

Yeah, uh, without getting into details - I'm happy to be alive. It's not by a wide margin, but it's not a fate worse than death.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/10/24 12:43 PM
16

I mean - I can't say I'm always happy that I'm straight. That being said - I do not take pride in that fact, nor do I use anything a specific woman has done to me to demonize women as a group - as I am not a bigot.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/10/24 12:43 AM
38

This is the one thing that guarantees women wouldn't want to live in a world without men. Who would they blame for everything?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 06:39 PM
1

The hell?
/r/EverydayMisandry13/10/24 10:25 PM
21

do these people not know what weapons and blackmail are seriously - it's like a rich kid asking me what my favorite brand of boat is - have you been living on earth? It sucks here.
/r/EverydayMisandry13/10/24 12:22 AM
15

Come to think of it yeah, I agree. Hillary was all "one of my merits is I'm a woman", Kamala just sort of is one and doesn't seem to believe that matters beyond it being new.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/24 05:20 PM
21

I'm American so definitely not in this election. I'm voting left. Though I do agree, I've been very disgruntled with the left's treatment of men. Except that I'm also disgruntled with the right for that same reason. The left demonizes men. The right pretends to like them, but only so far that they can milk them for votes. And with how little men get in that regard, a lot of them cling to that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/24 02:07 PM
4

If men disappeared and were replaced with bears, and women interacted with bears as often as they interact with men, humanity would be extinct in less than 6 months. I'm not saying that men are safe, men, as people, can be evil - and statistics show they have a preponderance towards violence (the reasons for which are of course long and complicated). But we're not worse than literal apex predators, and anyone who says we are is too trusting of bears.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/24 01:41 AM
7

Yes, and the only reason why the problem happened in the first place is because them brits killed all of the cats (good bois) because they blamed them for satanic stuff. So there were no cats to keep the rats in check, and boom a third of Europe is dead
/r/EverydayMisandry08/10/24 11:23 AM
26

This is an argument that echoes the words of actual, literal nazi propaganda. It's called a "Der Giftpilz" argument and it's meant to dehumanize people by reducing them to a stereotype, rather than treating them like people. It's easier to justify discrimination when you do this. Just about every discriminatory society has some version of it.
/r/EverydayMisandry08/10/24 11:21 AM
14

These are probably the same people who would argue that dogs aren't violent by nature, that a dog will only turn out violent if it has terrible owners. Meaning that they quite literally have more empathy for dogs than they do for human beings if those human beings aren't women.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/10/24 05:48 PM
2

It's one thing if they tried something, or if she's traumatized from previous negative experiences and asked to have her seat changed. But this describes her getting physical with multiple people. She deserved to be deplaned.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/24 06:02 PM
17

I believe that the reason why men disproportionately react to trauma with dismissal is because that's literally the only reaction they're allowed to give to themselves. Men's dismissal of women's issues is barely a fraction of the level of dismissal they have been conditioned to harbor against themselves. When you hear a man open up, you'll literally hear it. "Ah, it wasn't that bad", etc. I once heard a man say that his ex "was horribly toxic and abusive but she had huge tits so I couldn't just…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/24 05:49 PM
15

Oh absolutely I was. Women would not stop making comments about how skinny and handsome I was, and how happy I'm gonna make a girl one day, as well as... less savory things. A few women even got handsy. The first one (that I remember) was when I was 6. It was always played off as nothing because - well - I'm not a girl, and it wasn't men doing it, so therefore people believe it doesn't matter. It was to the point that I'm certain that there are a dozen or more times that I just straight up don't…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/10/24 04:48 PM
2

I've heard people do it, it does happen. But you are right, it's not nearly at the same level of defense.
/r/EverydayMisandry02/10/24 03:59 PM
28

I mean, she was a child. There are places where boys don't get shit for this sort of behavior - the "he probably just likes you" response isn't an uncommon one. However - if a man told a story the way she did now, the response would be very different.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/09/24 12:25 PM
1

Huh, as it turns out, if you teach someone to ignore their emotions from the moment they learn to speak and consistently ignore their boundaries by gaslighting them into thinking they 'always want it', then tell them that them being assaulted isn't a big deal because of how they were born, then gaslight them into fearing emotional care, complexity, and healthy emotional conversation, they're less likely to turn into an emotionally healthy, well-adjusted person. Whoop de do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/24 12:02 PM
6

Gotta say, if half the energy spent taking anger out on good men was instead focusing on actually addressing the reasons why men turn out rotten disproportionately, the world would be getting a hell of a lot better a hell of a lot faster
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/24 09:31 PM
7

When hatred and fear is spread about a group - be it black people, muslim people, immigrants, or men - it is not the job of that group to prove themselves safe. It is the job of the person spreading hatred to stop. That being said, there is merit to this sentiment - women live in a very different, much scarier world than men do, and a lot of women have man-related trauma that can be difficult and complicated to unpack. There is no such thing as an invalid emotion - there are unjustified emotions…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/24 02:26 PM
27

My dream woman would probably be older than me lmao
/r/EverydayMisandry24/09/24 04:36 PM
2

I agree - most of it just sounded like someone who struggles with dating, but that one line was just a gem
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/24 07:10 PM
25

"Every guy I meet has a flaw" She's literally going for Mr. Perfect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/24 05:43 PM
106

One small caveat. GOOD men have stopped approaching women. Bad men were never going to listen anyways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/24 04:50 PM
25

I really wish it wasn't true but I've had multiple, repeated examples of this exact thing in my life.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/24 03:02 PM
3

Yes
/r/EverydayMisandry21/09/24 01:09 AM
6

Here's the study: https://www.cdc.gov/nisvs/documentation/nisvsReportonSexualViolence.pdf The graphic is on page 3 - or PDF page 7. Here's the larger scope of the surveys: https://www.cdc.gov/nisvs/documentation/index.html The reason that studies are able to boast numbers that say that "most male rape victims are raped by other men" is because those studies use a definition for rape that is specifically and purposefully designed to exclude male victims of women - requiring that the victim be the…
/r/EverydayMisandry21/09/24 12:42 AM
13

85% of gynecologists are women 80% of healthcare professionals are women 74.3% of schoolteachers are women 72% of HR personnel are women Healthcare discriminates against women? Education systems sexualize and discriminate against women? Businesses choose not to believe women? If I were to use the logic of the subject of this post, I would advocate for men to stop caring about these issues so that the women could take care of them since they "create" these problems. But I'm not going to do that. …
/r/EverydayMisandry20/09/24 05:09 PM
71

70% of perpetrators of nonreciprocal intimate partner violence are women. And yet, 95% of people arrested for domestic abuse are men - despite making up a minority of abusers. Tell me again how patriarchy allows men to be abusive?
/r/EverydayMisandry19/09/24 03:39 PM
20

Jesus christ. Of relationships, 24% have some form of violence. In half of those (12%), the violence is reciprocal. In 70% of nonreciprocal cases, the woman is the aggressor. Plugging this into excel, this means that 8.4% of women and 3.6% of men in relationships are nonreciprocally physically abusive. Side note - lesbian relationships have the highest rate of physical violence, and homosexual male relationships have the lowest rate of physical violence. Funnily enough, if you read the NISVS's 2…
/r/EverydayMisandry18/09/24 11:58 PM
46

There are men who would do that, yes. Fuck those guys. There are also women who would send love letters to the guy who murdered her
/r/EverydayMisandry18/09/24 11:14 PM
26

Not the first factory of its kind by a long shot. When I was a kid, those were called sweatshops.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/09/24 05:15 PM
15

Right, I forgot that the people who work the hardest to reinforce toxic masculinity (elementary and middle school teachers, childhood developmental psychologists, daycare workers, and pediatricians) were all men who were simply disguised as women
/r/EverydayMisandry18/09/24 02:52 PM
38

Sometimes I really wish that I could be as uncaring as the average misandrist thinks I am, it would make it a lot easier to not overthink about every interaction I have with women, and a hell of a lot easier for me to stop loving them so much.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/09/24 02:18 PM
24

Before social media became a daily thing Clarification - this level of bigotry was dismissible before then except when it got into large groups of like-minded bigots.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/24 02:10 PM
5

There are certainly workplaces that discriminate, and there are a lot of them and I don't think we see the half of it. However, if I were a misandrist arguing the inverse, I would probably mention how 72% of human resources personnel are women, and that human resources would be the people who have power to stop such discrimination.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/09/24 12:39 PM
58

These are the exact arguments made against black people, muslims, and lgbt people - particularly trans people nowadays. I miss the days when bigots were uncommon enough that we could dismiss them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/24 12:29 PM
9

No, it just refers to something that is enjoyed by predominantly men - like accounting and dungeons & dragons and stuff
/r/EverydayMisandry17/09/24 01:35 AM
1

Everybody's a feminist until the driveway is covered in snow.
/r/EverydayMisandry14/09/24 03:10 PM
1

Didn't think I'd see a Der Giftpilz argument today.
/r/EverydayMisandry13/09/24 07:50 PM
66

80% of murder victims are male. Most murderers are male too, though. This is because men value women's lives much more than they value the lives of other men. Misogyny is no joke, but there's always been a sort of push to value the lives of "women and children" more than that of men, even if women's opinions and achievements hadn't been valued as much for most of history. 6% of male murder victims and 34% of female murder victims are killed by an intimate partner. But of course - men are 4x as l…
/r/EverydayMisandry13/09/24 02:16 PM
14

That tends to be what happens when you emotionally neglect a child, yes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/24 06:58 PM
14

"He can say no and stop it" According to page 32 of the NISVS, 1,908,000 of the 3,210,000 female-on-male rapes that occurred just in the year of 2016 were rape by sexual coercion (for instance, through blackmailing). The remaining 1,310,000 instances of female-on-male rape in the year of 2016 were either violent or cases where drugs were used to facilitate the attack. So uh... No.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/09/24 01:18 PM
1

Even still, with every life decision on that scale comes risk. There are things to alleviate that risk, but it's still a difficult scenario.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/24 07:19 PM
1

What I mean is that by leaving the relationship, she loses her finances - which can be a large blow to her ability to live, making it harder for her to leave
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/24 06:38 PM
4

Exactly, it doesn't compare. Trump is objectively the worse option.
/r/EverydayMisandry09/09/24 02:41 AM
4

I don't think she's gonna do that. Some misandry perhaps, but not racism.
/r/EverydayMisandry09/09/24 02:11 AM
1

Oh god what the fuck Isn't that like... the opposite of feminism's goal?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/24 10:20 PM
7

It's an act like many others - it claims that men are included while explicitly not doing just that. It does help some victims, so it's not a bad law per se, but it can be better. A lot better. First of all I'd change the name to the "Domestic violence prevention act", so that it isn't gendered. Second, and this may seem paradoxical, but bear with me: I'd make known the fact that women commit the majority of domestic violence: 24% of relationships have violence, half of which (12%) are reciproca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/24 04:52 PM
14

Because it's socially acceptable to hate men, but only men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/24 03:29 PM
41

Fellas, is it misogynistic to... admire women's accomplishments?
/r/EverydayMisandry31/08/24 11:01 PM
4

Republicans are the reason why women aren't in the draft yet. Traditionalism leads to both misandry and misogyny, even if the latter is more.
/r/EverydayMisandry31/08/24 08:40 PM
23

As a male victim of a woman, this makes me want to rip my fingernails off with pliers. The NISVS, the largest study on sexual violence in the West, puts female on male non-consensual sex at 30% of all heterosexual NCS. I have to use that term because they split male victims of rape into "rape" and "made to penetrate". I am more likely to be seen as a predator than the predator who took advantage of me is.
/r/EverydayMisandry31/08/24 12:55 PM
14

These are just the modern version of the people who murdered Emmett Till.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/08/24 12:34 AM
18

Happier people tend to do daredevil things less - they appreciate their lives and want to continue living. Which is why men do these things so disproportionately.
/r/EverydayMisandry28/08/24 12:07 PM
9

Equality is oppression to them
/r/EverydayMisandry27/08/24 07:12 PM
13

I really don't understand how someone can write that much about such a horrible thing and still make the active decision to use euphemisms.
/r/EverydayMisandry25/08/24 02:20 PM
2

You'll hear more misogyny than racism because women account for 51% of the population while black people account for less than half of that. It happens more because there are more opportunities for it to happen.
/r/EverydayMisandry25/08/24 12:55 AM
5

I think that's accurate, considering black/LGBT rights have been steadily increasing over the past few decades, whereas women's rights - while it is undoubtedly a net gain - has recently taken a hit with the overturn of Roe v. Wade. If I'm understanding this correctly, what is meant is "LGBT men don't have it worse than LGBT women" - which is untrue, the stigma surrounding being a gay man is far greater than the same for gay women. Gay women are worried they'll be sexualized, gay men are worried…
/r/EverydayMisandry25/08/24 12:24 AM
12

I feel like the problem here is less them saying things about him, and more the fact that they wouldn't say them to/about a woman
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/24 09:27 PM
26

Some of the people there are encouraging communication, which I always like. However, a lot of these "how do you think she felt"s are also appearing, and seem to only be there because OP is male.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/24 08:30 PM
64

I've found that some feminists have a tendency to - upon hearing about men's issues - dismiss it by saying "that's from patriarchy" and then offer no support or plan to fix it - preferring to shift blame rather than actually ask what the cause of the problem might be. It'd be like if a woman came up to me and told me that she had been denied pain relief by her gynecologist for an IUD procedure, and then I just retorted with "85% of gynecologists are women so I don't know why you're coming to me …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/24 05:30 PM
5

"People who were incredibly rich and are now incredibly dead, who lived in an age before both indoor plumbing and general anesthesia. I have nothing to do with any of those people, and neither do you."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/08/24 03:12 PM
24

Misandry is normalized is why.
/r/EverydayMisandry21/08/24 02:47 PM
1

That could be depression, brother
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/24 06:42 PM
2

I'm gonna be ok, I was more surprised than anything, but that tends to be my reaction to that sort of thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/24 06:08 PM
7

It's a misleading statistic, black women and men are both more likely to be raped. The reason why the specific study in the image can boast such numbers is because they didn't have a high enough sample size to get accurate data (confidence interval stuff), so the recorded data defaulted to zero with an asterisk for that category.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/08/24 03:23 PM
7

Both are most definitely lies what the fuck
/r/EverydayMisandry18/08/24 03:17 PM
34

Which of course isn't a justification for misogyny but like, if you push someone away from the feminist cause, they will be less likely to support you in the future. Tate wouldn't have the following he does if our boys were treated better.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/08/24 01:44 PM
7

A family member died and my cousins grandmother groped me at the funeral.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/24 01:07 PM
6

A family member died and my cousin's grandmother groped me at the funeral.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/24 01:07 PM
78

Do they want misogynistic kids? Cause this is how you make boys hate women.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/08/24 12:06 PM
6

Occasionally you'll find a dickweed here but yes, I agree.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/24 04:55 PM
20

Because men having legitimate grievances with society is threatening to their ideology. It's also been incredibly normalized.
/r/EverydayMisandry17/08/24 02:05 PM
7

They're just grifters that prey on lonely men to make money.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/08/24 02:44 AM
17

I hope that one day, through hard work, dedication, sacrifice, and being as good of a person as I can possibly be, that the women in my life will think as highly of me as they would of a random woman which they have never met.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/08/24 11:40 PM
11

JK Rowling was also more concerned with a female boxer fighting another female boxer than with the actual child predator from the dutch team
/r/EverydayMisandry15/08/24 10:07 PM
16

Didn't expect a Tate brother to say something like that.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/08/24 09:17 PM
58

I've noticed that the main blowback against TERFs is that they treat trans women the way that men are treated.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/08/24 04:46 PM
7

A lot of people's ideologies rely on the idea that men are not just privileged - but exclusively so, meaning that men having a legitimate grievance with society goes against what they believe - and as such, knee-jerk reactions are common.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/24 08:20 PM
15

Most physical abuse, period, is done by women - but that is never used to attack women as a whole. If you take these numbers and put them into excel (24% of relationships have violence, half are reciprocal, 70% of nonreciprocal cases have exclusively female perpetrators): 20.4%, or 1 in 5 relationships will contain a violent woman. 15.6%, or 1 in 6.5 relationships will contain a violent man. Only 3.6%, or roughly 1 in 28 relationships will have a sole male physical perpetrator. 8.4%, or roughly …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/24 09:33 PM
7

Yes, it's mostly nurses, pediatricians, and obgyns - the people who would call the anesthesiologist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/24 06:00 PM
9

From what I hear, male OBGYNs are either the best or worst with no in between.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/24 05:44 PM
60

And Human Resources (73.5%) - and yet women are not believed? And Fashion/apparel/cosmetology (80% or more) - and yet women's clothing is only built for the male gaze and lacks pockets? And Clinical Research (57%) - and yet we don't know about the female body due to misogyny??? My point is that the contents of the pants of a person doesn't matter and bringing such up cannot be done in good faith. Do not use these facts to dismiss others, just to counter existing dismissals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/24 02:20 PM
40

Male victims are never going to be taken seriously are they
/r/EverydayMisandry11/08/24 01:54 PM
143

I usually counter this with the fact that 80% of healthcare professionals and 85% of obgyns are women, and yet are still notorious for not taking women's pain seriously. Saying "by other men/women" is a bad faith way to dismiss a person's lived experiences, not a good faith addition to the conversation. Even if it was "mostly other men" (it isn't), it wouldn't matter.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/24 01:52 PM
34

Their talking points are so similar to racists that it's depressing.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/08/24 12:21 PM
-9

Tate deserves the hate. I dislike the body shaming but I hold no sympathy for him whatsoever.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/08/24 11:42 AM
17

I wonder how these people would react to some KKK member saying that prevention of gang violence is a burden that should be carried by all black people. Or that all black people benefit from gang violence.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/08/24 12:19 PM
0

There are subs like mensrights, but they tend to be filled with men who are MRAs for reactionary reasons instead of to advocate for actual change. Like with other movement-aligned subs, it takes borderline herculean moderation to not be taken over by assholes or bigots.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 05:38 PM
4

The article is behind a paywall. Is there a summary somewhere?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 03:03 PM
4

So, the largest study on sexual violence is the CDC's NISVS - but it's incredibly flawed because it discriminates against men. Now I know how that sounds, but bear with me - This is the study: https://www.cdc.gov/nisvs/documentation/nisvsReportonSexualViolence.pdf What I want you to do is go to page 3 (PDF page 7), look at the graphic on the bottom, and notice - is there anything... off... about how they choose to frame male victims? I'm marking the rest as spoiler because I really do want you t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/24 05:33 PM
6

What if you're a cop that only likes protecting male citizens?
/r/MensRights02/08/24 01:37 PM
-1

No, most of the time that the term is used it's true.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/24 01:10 PM
7

Uncertain how the laws came into place, but I'd assume it has to do with male hyperagency and female hypoagency. I also want to add because the post you referenced doesn't fully go into it. It mentions how rape by a woman still isn't considered rape in Idaho, but doesn't cover how in the US - rape against a man, even by another man, wasn't considered rape until 2013. We've had 2 presidential elections since then. Or how the CDC's NISVS purposefully splits the definition of rape against men into …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 09:27 PM
25

The title is literally "I want you to be quiet about the parts of equality that I choose not to speak about"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/24 12:07 PM
2

Like, the discrimination is incredibly obvious once you start reading studies like the CDC's NISVS, but people just... don't talk about it
/r/EverydayMisandry29/07/24 07:40 PM
37

"As long as you don't also call yourself a feminist, you may be as bigoted as you want."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/24 03:17 PM
0

No.
/r/MensRights28/07/24 12:21 PM
9

Yes, I did a deep dive into this a while back Here it is: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/s/ZRLnUUSLqu I explored a bunch of specific statistics and metrics for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/24 11:54 AM
48

Isn't "choose more wisely" literally the exact same argument that's made by pro lifers and people who think that divorce shouldn't be allowed in a case of abuse?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 05:35 PM
3

Self-Made Man
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 01:58 AM
12

I had a sort of alt-right phase in my youth, because the alt-right talking heads were literally the only people who even pretended that they cared about men.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/07/24 12:03 PM
13

Well, yes.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/07/24 01:39 AM
38

It's crazy how much more traction those movements would get if they simply also accepted male victims of women - how many fewer incels and tate stans we'd have in the world, but they just... don't. I don't get it.
/r/EverydayMisandry25/07/24 11:50 PM
44

I've opened up to men about some of the darker stuff and they've been nothing but supportive. I have literally never yet met a man who told me I was lying or that 'she probably just liked you' or anything of the sort. I've opened up to women too, and it's been a mixed bag. It's just my experience, but people are saying "the people telling men not to open up are other men" - and it just isn't true.
/r/EverydayMisandry25/07/24 11:47 PM
5

I mean... kinda? Men are a group, and as such, they have more in common with each other than people outside the group. Your overall point is correct, though. It's usually only brought up to lump good MRAs in with the incels and Tate stans of the world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 08:26 PM
6

Anyone who calls hobbies a waste is not a fun person to be around.
/r/EverydayMisandry23/07/24 07:30 PM
0

I don't really see the problem with what he said - rich people tend to be men for a variety of reasons, and "rich men" are absolutely the demographic that the Republican party wants to support (despite bogus claims that they're the 'party of freedom' or 'individualism' or anything of the sort). He also specifies rich men because, well, higher-up Republicans are overwhelmingly misogynistic, and believe that a woman's place is in the home - he specifies "rich men" because the Republican party seem…
/r/EverydayMisandry23/07/24 03:08 PM
2

The 1 in 9 metric does not include traditional, penetrative rape against men, though that's something like 1 in 31 men in a lifetime. It's in a separate category.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/24 03:51 AM
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Imagine a world in which every study claims that 99% of sexual assaults are committed by women, even assaults against other women. This narrative is then used to create a narrative surrounding "not all women but always a woman" Imagine this narrative then being used to justify misogyny. Sure, it's just by bitter people at first, but then she hears her friends echo these things while they think she can't hear them. In this world, a woman will almost never gain custody of her children. In this wor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/24 07:08 PM
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It's the NISVS, the largest survey on sexual violence, performed by the CDC. I found it after hearing so many times that men commit 99% of rape, which as a male victim of a woman, didn't sit right with me. This is the study where that metric comes from, so I read it cover to cover. Turns out, they get that metric by using euphemisms to describe the experiences of male victims. Plain as day. That's how they get the metric. Welcome to the patriarchy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/24 05:40 PM
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I see what you mean.
/r/EverydayMisandry17/07/24 06:27 PM
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Love trans people, trans rights all the way. TERFs are just radical feminists that don't recognize trans people. That is the only difference. Radical feminists treat men the same way TERFs do, only TERFs extend that hatred to trans women as well, which is why we see pushback from other radical feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/24 04:53 PM
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The worst, in my opinion, is the oft-repeated line about men choosing "more violent" ways to kill themselves which is used to both paint men as uncaring and self-centered because women ostensibly care more about who might find their bodies and to downplay the undeniable fact that men commit the vast majority of successful suicides as nothing but a consequence of "male" impulsiveness and violence. I've always retorted that with "Yeah, women are more concerned with someone who will find their body…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/24 03:33 PM
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One other thing is that in 2013, rape against men became illegal in the US. Before then, even rape by other men wasn't considered rape. That's the year GTA 5 was released.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/24 03:27 PM
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Just saying I agree with you but these: Longer life expectancy Small minority of homicide victims Tiny minority of workplace fatalities Less likely to be victims of violent crime Less likely to commit suicide Less likely to be homeless These aren't inherent to a non-patriarchal society. They're female privileges for sure, but they have little to nothing to do with how much power women hold in society, or whether they are excluded from societal decision-making. The rest of everything you said, I …
/r/EverydayMisandry17/07/24 02:26 PM
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Study: https://www.cdc.gov/nisvs/documentation/nisvsReportonSexualViolence.pdf The study has 12-month prevalence rates. They are as follows (keep in mind, these also include attempted rape/mtp instances, so it's not accurate to say that this number of people "are raped"): Male victims of women: 1,310,000 victims of "Made to penetrate" (rape). This is JUST victims of women, JUST in 2016. The number of male victims of men was too small for the CDC to create a number with a confidence interval of 9…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/24 01:20 PM
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I agree with feminists on most issues, I'm just waiting for them to drop the whole "patriarchy, men are trash, pick the bear, men are almost never raped and even when they are it's by other men - see? It says so in this study that uses a definition specifically to draw the line in a way that avoids the overwhelming majority of male rape victims" thing.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/07/24 09:45 PM
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Women are absolutely into men. I do agree that it's not in the same ways that men are into women, though.
/r/EverydayMisandry16/07/24 05:31 PM
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https://www.cdc.gov/nisvs/documentation/nisvsReportonSexualViolence.pdf
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/24 04:46 PM
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So why call it a patriarchy? That's not what the word patriarchy means at all. The definition of patriarchy is: "a system of society or government in which men hold the power and women are largely excluded from it." Women make up 29% of congress, we have a woman as a vice president, and 4 of the 9 justices on the supreme court are women. Women have accounted for the majority of registered voters since before the 1980s (Except in 1994 where they dipped for some reason). Women accounted for the ma…
/r/EverydayMisandry16/07/24 02:29 PM
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The 1 in 9 metric does include attempted, but the CDC didn't think that was important enough to include on the cover page.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/24 09:53 PM
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I'm sort of in the same boat. Now that I'm an adult, I find myself looking back at my childhood experiences with grown women, and going "Oh shit, that wasn't just a comment, was it? Yeah, no, that lady who wouldn't stop following me and talking about how skinny and handsome I was when I was 6 wasn't just being nice..." I feel like I just don't remember most of it because of how trivial people thought it was.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/24 08:54 PM
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It does include completed or attempted (though it doesn't say so on the image, it does later in the study. Attempted is included in the 1 in 9 metric) The CDC didn't think that was important enough to include on the cover page.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/24 08:41 PM
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79% of these 1 in 9 men will report exclusively female perpetrators. While women are more likely to be the victim of a sex crime, men aren't too far behind. Please note - this is a smaller gap than the gap in murder victims, who are 80% male. Rape is a 70/30 split. Until men - especially male victims of women - are treated equally or even with a comparable level of empathy in studies and media, our work is not done. Imagine a world in which groping a woman's breasts wasn't seen as sexual assault…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/24 08:14 PM
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I've always hated that statistic because it only exists when you use a definition for rape that is purposefully discriminatory. It'd be like if any man who groped a woman's breasts didn't count as an offender because MEN'S chests aren't seen as sexual. Men still make up the majority of offenders, but it's closer to 75%, not 99%. And women are more likely to rape a man than men are.
/r/EverydayMisandry15/07/24 05:05 PM
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"what right do men don't have that women have?" The right of equal treatment under both law and for every study I've found regarding the treatment of male and female sexual assault victims, especially when it comes to female perpetrators. Men also receive over 60% higher prison sentences for the same crime. Also, when a woman commits a crime, people blame the individual, and you'll see comments like "we don't claim her". When a man does the same thing, people blame the group, and you'll see comm…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/24 03:22 PM
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I mean it's not the best way to say it but I understand - omitting the fact that you have children is a serious thing, especially for dating apps. This one could just be a vent in poor taste - I'd have to se her other posts before I'd call her a misandrist.
/r/EverydayMisandry14/07/24 10:37 PM
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In my opinion, really the best thing you can do right now is call out misandry when you see it. It tends to go over people's heads when a man tries to defend himself against that sort of thing, but having women call it out too is really all I'd ask for. If I'm being honest, it might be best if you don't take a more active role, as being parts of subs like this one will hurt your "credibility" among people who call themselves feminists for a lot of reasons - some valid, most not.
/r/MensRights14/07/24 10:28 PM
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If George Farmer (husband of Candace Owens) tweeted out that only the bad (redacted) get offended by racism and the proof is that his wife is one of the good ones... These same people would have a huge problem with that.
/r/EverydayMisandry14/07/24 02:37 PM
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How bad does a hate mob need to be before shit like this starts to happen?
/r/EverydayMisandry13/07/24 09:44 PM
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Only 3,999,999,997 to go before it's true
/r/EverydayMisandry13/07/24 04:56 PM
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Creepy men are capable of more damage than creepy women. That is a natural and unfortunate consequence of one biological sex being stronger than the other. Being wary of men is fine. I tell people where I'm going for the same reasons, due to both men and women. Women feel the need to do it more for men than other women. I have no problem with that whatsoever. I begin to have a problem when that bleeds into my life, even though I have done nothing wrong. Being told that because of the way I look,…
/r/EverydayMisandry13/07/24 02:51 PM
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I mean ppd and ppp are extremely real conditions, but we should also have empathy when men have mental problems too. Not to the point of excusing people but still.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 07:42 PM
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People used to treat women like children - less deserving of rights, and to be treated like their actions are lesser. This has mostly been dissolved in western society. You'll still get the occasional "bossy" accusation, but compared to even 50 years ago, we've made a lot of progress for women. ...except when it comes to women who choose to be terrible people. Whenever a woman does something depraved, it feels like female hypoagency never left. So long as that is true, we cannot have equality. I…
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 07:17 PM
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I once read a legitimate feminist study with actual funding that saw the fact that 50% of ipv is reciprocal and simply declared that "women use domestic violence as a form of self defense", while completely omitting the 70% metric from the same study that they cited.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 06:36 PM
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70% of nonreciprocal intimate partner violence is committed by women. 71% of children killed by a family member are killed by their mother. Radio silence. At least 28% of heterosexual rapes are female on male, meaning 72% are male on female. "Not all men but always a man" Can we please just stop judging the severity of a crime based on the color of someone's skin or the contents of their pants already? This is getting tiring. This is just 13/50 with a new coat of paint.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 04:19 PM
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Imagine if other underlying factors were considered beyond just biological sex.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 01:54 PM
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It says "this account has been suspended" or at least it did last time I checked.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 12:33 PM
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We're more than just a primate species, though. We're sentient beings. I don't really like the idea that males are just violent by nature.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 12:03 PM
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And notably, those differences do not line up with the differences in rates of violence, meaning that strength likely has very little to do with preponderance for violence.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 03:21 AM
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https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/15/865 for MtF. From what we know, people will eventually reach a point similar to that of their preferred gender, but it takes more than a year.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 03:12 AM
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MtF people tend to hold onto their strength for some time, but it diminishes - though this does take more than a year. FtM people (who work out) become quite strong quite quickly.
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 03:07 AM
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What is it, then? What causes men to be more violent? Keep in mind, it must be something that is shared between both cis men and trans women that have undergone both hormonal and surgical transition, and be something that does NOT happen to trans men who have undergone both surgical and hormonal transition. This eliminates testosterone, strength, libido, access to sex, being perceived as male, toxic masculinity, and misogyny (unless we have a ton of toxically masculine, misogynistic trans women)…
/r/EverydayMisandry12/07/24 01:14 AM
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Studies show that, despite trans people usually trending towards their preferred sex, with a rare exception to this rule being violence. Trans men are not violent, but trans women tend to hold onto at least a portion of the amab preponderance for crime. It's not testosterone, it's not men's strength, it's not men's libidos, it's none of those things. It's because of what society does to people who grow up as boys. This person either never read the statistics or doesn't care about them. The only …
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 10:49 PM
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The account who made that comment, who I will not invoke the name of, has been suspended.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 09:47 PM
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Kristel Candalario left her 18 month old baby alone at home for 10 days while she went on vacation, resulting in the death of the child. I watched the disheartening footage of the child crying out about an hour ago. This sounds rare, but 71% of children who are murdered by a family member are murdered by their mother. In 2022, 473 children were killed by abuse at the hands of exclusively their mothers. 226 by fathers, and 363 were by both parents. https://www.statista.com/statistics/255033/numbe…
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 07:39 PM
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Are male victims ever going to be taken seriously?
/r/EverydayMisandry11/07/24 04:21 PM
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Until I see a feminist source critique the CDC's definition for rape, I'm gonna have to keep calling myself an "egalitarian" instead.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/07/24 10:48 PM
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Wait until they learn what causes Tate mentality
/r/EverydayMisandry10/07/24 09:55 PM
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In 2021, 4,970 women were murdered. That same year, about 40,000 men took their own lives. Men are not afraid that women will laugh at them. Men are afraid that society, men and women alike, will continue to foster a hostile environment for vulnerability and that the male suicide rate will continue to break records every single year. Of the American men who are alive today, 1 in 38 will die by suicide. That's more common than a woman dying from breast cancer. One of those two things gets $2.7 bi…
/r/EverydayMisandry10/07/24 07:43 PM
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Being wary of people is fine, the problem arises when you treat them with less respect, like, say, saying that an entire half of the population is worse than actual apex predators.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/07/24 12:03 PM
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Honestly this one is pretty tame, I don't entirely disagree with some of it. Men are stronger physically, and wariness is a common consequence of that. The reason why this only has one like is because she's trying to empathize with men too.
/r/EverydayMisandry09/07/24 05:17 PM
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People are more likely to be killed by someone they know than a stranger. Men are literally so much more likely to be killed that we're more likely to be killed by a stranger than women are to be killed AT ALL.
/r/EverydayMisandry09/07/24 02:17 PM
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It is, yeah
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/24 12:35 AM
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This is literally someone saying "I'd rather die than have to look at you because of what you are"
/r/EverydayMisandry08/07/24 04:56 PM
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Postpartum psychosis is a real thing. That could be what happened here. In fact, I'd argue it likely. However, if a man did the same under the same circumstances, all the comments would be about how his mental health "isnt an excuse" and such.
/r/EverydayMisandry08/07/24 02:48 PM
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I don't want it to give me everything I ever wanted. I want my taxes to come back to me in the form of services.
/r/MensRights07/07/24 03:52 PM
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For 4, private clinics would still exist. They just wouldn't be able to charge you $40 for a single cough drop.
/r/MensRights07/07/24 12:40 PM
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I support both a woman's right to choose and child support reform. I'd like paper abortion to exist, but it would need to have a significantly shorter window than women do - like three weeks which start upon notification of pregnancy. And this paper abortion should not exist in places where physical abortion is unavailable. While I'd prefer a world in which the draft doesn't exist, we do not live in a world in which that is realistic. I believe that both men and women should be drafted. Military…
/r/MensRights07/07/24 12:39 PM
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It's more "I'd rather wait until evidence arises before I make a decision on this and destroy someone's life. If he did it, I'd bury him under the prison myself if I could, but I'm not ready to do that because of the possibility that he is innocent."
/r/EverydayMisandry07/07/24 12:28 PM
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The 2nd to fourth sentence are literally "a guaranteed threat is better than probable safety"
/r/EverydayMisandry06/07/24 11:23 PM
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Hate only ever leads to more hate. No.
/r/EverydayMisandry06/07/24 09:27 PM
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Of course there are all the studies on rape, but very few people actually read them, and don't understand that female on male rape accounts for, by the lowest estimate, 28% of all rape, and about 75% of rape with male victims.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/07/24 08:44 PM
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Wo(man)
/r/EverydayMisandry06/07/24 07:40 PM
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Fuckloads, yes.
/r/MensRights06/07/24 12:24 PM
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"Despite making up only 13%..." I knew a lot of bigoted people in high school and I must say, their justifications were worryingly similar to that of modern misandrists.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/07/24 02:21 PM
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Even still, my statement is effective.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 04:08 PM
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Well, men are more likely to be gaslit into fearing vulnerability - so they dismiss their own symptoms so the doctors don't have to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/24 07:05 PM
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Women are not taken as seriously by healthcare professionals. This is a significant grievance that (actual) feminists are attempting to change, and of course, they call it a patriarchal issue. I do not have a problem with them saying that. It's a valid issue. If I hear someone say "by other men," I bring up the healthcare issue and say "Does the fact that 80% of healthcare professionals are women change anything about how seriously that issue should be taken? No? So, me bringing something like t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/24 12:23 PM
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It entirely depends on the person's definition of "fix".
/r/EverydayMisandry30/06/24 04:09 PM
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TERFs treat trans women the way that ordinary misandrists treat men. Of course, it's simply because they still see trans women as men.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/06/24 01:29 PM
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Whenever someone says that misandry doesn't exist or that it doesn't hurt or kill people, I'm just going to link them to that article.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/06/24 12:58 PM
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I mean threat in the loosest possible sense. Not "I should avoid this person," more "it would be safer to not be alone with this person until I know them a little.
/r/EverydayMisandry30/06/24 01:55 AM
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Imagine if this was aimed at black men, or any other group. Like yes, women find it wise to assume that a man is a threat unless he proves otherwise. This worldview does not come from "patriarchy", it is a natural consequence of one biological sex being stronger than the other - when one is strong, the other should be aware and wary of that. "If he wanted something, there'd be nothing I could do" is a real thought that women have, and that's a scary thought. The problem arises when you use this …
/r/EverydayMisandry29/06/24 08:09 PM
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The same people who run the serial killer documentary industry
/r/EverydayMisandry29/06/24 05:04 PM
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The counterpoint would of course be "serial killer documentaries are descriptions of real events" but that doesn't really work since there are more porn stars than serial killers.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/06/24 04:44 PM
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I'm probably gonna get downvoted for this but... People say that porn warps the minds of young men. I believe it does so just as much as serial killer documentaries do for young women's perception of men.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/06/24 04:40 PM
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It comes from the idea that we shouldn't take bigotry personally. It's one thing to be wary of men - absolutely do that. I do that. Men are people, and sometimes people don't have your best interests at heart. It's another thing entirely to dehumanize us beyond the level of an actual predator. I'm not mad at the man versus bear debate because I'm taking it personally. I'm mad at it because it tells me that when a woman I don't know sees me or any other dude, her first thought is "this is worse t…
/r/EverydayMisandry29/06/24 03:19 PM
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Literally. "If you didn't want to get cheated on, maybe try sucking his dick more" is not a valid statement. If someone is unhappy in a relationship, they leave. Cheating is an immature response when someone wants to have cake and also eat someone else's cake. I believe that cheating on an abusive spouse has cases where it can be understandable, but other than that, it's just shitty.
/r/EverydayMisandry29/06/24 02:33 PM
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There's a lot of groups that have stats like that. Either all of those stats matter or none of them do. I say none of them do, because I am not a bigot.
/r/EverydayMisandry28/06/24 04:15 PM
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Or that if it does, it's "justified" I have been stalked, harassed, groped, etc. All by women. And yet, I do not use that as an excuse to be a bigot. I'm not saying I've never felt disillusioned, I have, but hate is not a natural response to anything. Prejudice is reductionist and immature.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/06/24 10:44 PM
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Well, bad actors in our movement do that too. The things in the meme you've posted do happen, though they are not representative of men. For some reason though, it feels like misandry is more accepted in today's society rather than less. Which is not good.
/r/EverydayMisandry27/06/24 08:59 PM
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If men acted the way misandrists do: "Doctors dismiss women's pain" "80% of healthcare professionals are women so I don't know why you're coming to me with this, it's other women you need to be worried about" "Men make me feel unsafe" "Well they're raised to not feel by their mothers and female role models, and women tell them that "boys always want it", so (I refuse to type the rest of this)" "I don't like (thing in society)" "Matriarchy hurts women too." "I don't like how my boyfriend doesn't …
/r/EverydayMisandry27/06/24 08:38 PM
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The study they're referencing was released in 2009, then retracted in 2010 by its authors after finding out they made a mistake. The study was re-performed in 2015, and found a 1% difference in likelihood for spouses to leave - though it depends wildly on the disease that the spouse has, when they're all averaged together, men are 1% more likely to leave - which is well within their margin of error - meaning the best information that we have supports the idea that there is little to no differenc…
/r/EverydayMisandry27/06/24 12:59 PM
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I've just been choosing to stay single at this point. I date to be loved, not in some fruitless attempt to break a mold that was formed around me which I had no hand in creating. It's just not worth it at this point.
/r/EverydayMisandry26/06/24 02:24 AM
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So far it's only been women for me. Of the 8 or so women I've opened up to in a non therapeutic setting, three responded respectfully. One was my mother, the other two, on separate occasions, later came out as trans. One is a man, the other is nonbinary. So it's my mother, two people who aren't women but were at the time, and the rest of the women I've opened up to responded with mockery and accusations of "guys always want it". Men I've opened to have been supportive, most shared similar storie…
/r/MensRights25/06/24 12:30 PM
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They mention gay frogs, femboys, world peace, and an AI utopia in a single breath. It's a joke.
/r/EverydayMisandry24/06/24 07:08 PM
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misandry widens the gender divide, which worsens both misandry and misogyny. Misogyny does this too. And misandry would and does absolutely exist in the absence of misogyny - the fact that misandrists use shitty people as an excuse to be hateful does not make it justified. I've been the victim of some pretty heinous things by women, and yet I do not use that as an excuse to hate them, nor do I use that as an excuse to think less of any random woman I see on the street. It's almost as if bigotry …
/r/EverydayMisandry24/06/24 06:38 PM
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Tf do you mean, they mention gay frogs, femboys, world peace, and an AI utopia in a single breath, how could this not be satire
/r/EverydayMisandry23/06/24 10:26 PM
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She's a misogynist and I don't like her. Almost definitely either a grifter or she's got some serious (and I hate this term, I do not use this term lightly) Internalized misogyny. She's the worst thing for men since Andrew Tate.
/r/EverydayMisandry23/06/24 02:06 PM
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This one is satire, bro.
/r/EverydayMisandry23/06/24 02:04 PM
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Brother you took the satire bait
/r/EverydayMisandry23/06/24 02:01 PM
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TL:DR: Yes. I'm not going to focus on the specifics, as it seems you know them. Instead, I'm going to focus on the statistics, studies, and proofs of the existence of this: Men do commit more crime, However: Trans men are men, and trans women are women. For the majority of statistics, trans people tend to adhere closer to their preferred gender, rather than their sex assignment at birth - an exception to this being crime and violence. Trans men are not violent, but trans women tend to hold onto …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/24 02:31 AM
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It's disappointing that that's the bar in today's society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 07:07 PM
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The left uses us as a scapegoat, the right uses us because we're useful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 05:38 PM
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The right at least tries to appear to care about men. Of course - they're just using them, but they aren't nearly as accusatory.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 04:59 PM
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I don't think so, but the study also states that men are extremely likely to underreport female violence, and while women were more violent overall, it became equal when severe violence was considered, and of course female victims were more likely to sustain injuries that required medical attention.
/r/EverydayMisandry18/06/24 08:14 PM
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Women make up 70% of perpetrators of nonreciprocal intimate partner violence. It's called "Intimate partner violence" and not "Domestic violence" because nobody cares when women do it. 71% of children killed by a family member are killed by their mother, most of these are boys. The reason you don't hear about this isn't because it's rare, it's because of who does it and who it's against. Studies on sexual violence are specifically worded to exclude male victims of female offenders as much as pos…
/r/EverydayMisandry18/06/24 02:35 PM
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Anti-male folk often like to cite studies that say that the overwhelming majority of rapes are committed by men, even rapes against other men. I say anti-male folk - this is usually done out of simple ignorance. Now, this claim is technically correct - but only if you use the definition for rape that is most commonplace, which explicitly excludes male victims. In short, you have to manipulate the data collection process in order to be able to make such a claim. Of course, this is what the majori…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/24 05:36 PM
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The way that masculinity has been portrayed in media is changing - look at The Last of Us episode 3. A significant portion of sexism and the dismissal of men's issues has to do with homophobia, so seeing such good representation of gay men in media is a good sign. Five years ago I would have told you that it's going to get worse before it gets better, and that's what we're seeing today.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/24 11:33 AM
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Testosterone is an immunosuppresant, my dude. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0008874915000313#:~:text=Evidence%20from%20unrelated%20studies%20points,underlying%20molecular%20mechanisms%20remains%20unknown.
/r/MensRights09/06/24 12:31 AM
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Women have better immune systems and fewer cells total (less of a chance to fuck up mitosis if you have less cells) I also haven't heard of men getting more cancer, but now that I'm looking at it, yeah, for men it's about 1/2 and for women it's 1/3 - which is made even more significant by the fact that women live 6 years longer on average and would otherwise be expected to be more likely to get cancer. Women's immune systems are orders of magnitude more efficient, which I think is the reason why…
/r/MensRights07/06/24 09:49 PM
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Ah shit, you've got a point.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/06/24 01:29 AM
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I don't think this post is misandrist. Creeps exist, and women deal with primarily male ones. She's not accusing all men of being creepy, she's just asking for advice because of a frightening encounter she had.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/06/24 12:41 PM
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The "forever alone" flair really makes this one
/r/EverydayMisandry02/06/24 11:31 PM
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8072920/#:~:text=Therefore%2C%20there%20is%20increasing%20evidence,autoimmune%20diseases%20in%20men%20than Here's a peer-reviewed study. Testosterone is an immunosuppressant - we're more likely to die, and even when we're alright, it just hurts. A lot. If you're looking for something more anecdotal, I have a friend who's a trans man. I told him about this, and every time he gets sick now he calls me and explains that he is in absolute agony compared t…
/r/MensRights31/05/24 07:51 PM
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that's entirely true - though testosterone is an immunosuppressant. That's why the common cold takes us the hell out while women barely get the sniffles, and it's also a large portion of the reason why men accounted for 2.4x more deaths from COVID, independent of age. Then again, testosterone (and cortisol) are very important to balancing men's mental health - and low levels of testosterone are directly correlated with depression, anxiety, and other 'downer' disorders. Then again, these things a…
/r/MensRights31/05/24 06:13 PM
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...why? What's the gain?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 03:09 PM
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I once met a woman that said that boys are taught that violence is a viable option. Some people are just so blind to the lives of people who aren't them it's ridiculous
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/24 12:39 PM
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People who like to dismiss male issues care - it's a very useful logical fallacy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 04:17 PM
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It's used to dismiss men's issues and pretend that they are invalid or don't matter in some way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 03:59 PM
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Well yes, men's pain is often dismissed as well - but not quite as often. Additionally, men are more likely to dismiss their own pain due to social stigma, so it's possible that a portion of these doctors dismiss women's pain because - as the sex that is more likely to go to the doctor for pain, they are more likely to go to the doctor for pain that isn't as serious as a consequence of such. Again - not dismissing women's pain, just saying that women are more likely to go to the doctor for it an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 03:52 PM
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So you really didn't read my post. 75% of male victims - or around 28% of all victims, are male victims of female offenders. (Note: this is actually a similar ratio of women : men as literally every single non-sexual violent crime has of men : women) You are factually incorrect, and using bogus, discriminatory statistics to tout your narrative. Reminds me of some other folks I know.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 03:50 PM
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Brother I agree with you, that's not what I'm doing - it's what anyone who makes the claim is doing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 12:37 PM
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https://www.hindawi.com/journals/prm/2018/6358624/ Women get more funding in healthcare and tend to have better healthcare outcomes, but still, women's pain is dismissed extremely often by healthcare professionals. Take endometriosis for example - this is a condition that causes extreme pain during a woman's menstrual cycle, and 1 in 10 women have it. And yet, it's extremely difficult to get a diagnosis for it. Most women with the condition don't know that there's surgeries for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 11:29 AM
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I specifically mentioned that the women's issue I mentioned was valid. I said it twice. I put it in bold. What more do you want? I'm literally giving you as much slack as I possibly can and only criticizing a specific fallacious argument that is used to dismiss male issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 11:17 AM
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It doesn't specify whether penetration is recieved or given, just that it occurs. The government claims that this now includes male victims. I agree with you, this definition is far from perfect, but I'm trying to give literally as much slack to the other side as possible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 11:13 AM
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You're referring to women not being taken seriously in the healthcare sector as a workplace, I'm referring to the dismissal of women's pain by healthcare professionals. I'm also not using it as a serious point - I believe that it holds just as much water as "by other men", which is none whatsoever.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 11:12 AM
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The old definition specified that the victim must be recieving penetration, this one only states that penetration must occur. (You're probably right but I'm trying to be intersectional here)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 11:08 AM
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This is part of a post I made a bit ago: When faced with the "but it's by other men" fallacy, I usually just like to point out that around 80% of healthcare workers are women (Note: 60% of gynecologists and 48% of surgeons are women) and yet anti-woman bias in the healthcare sector is a well-defined grievance that is extremely commonly touted by feminist sources. Now, I'm not saying that women's grievances with the healthcare sector don't matter or that they don't exist, they do. And these griev…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/24 02:25 AM
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yes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/24 10:03 PM
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That's not who they're referring to though - when the draft is brought up, it's usually in an American context, which has been spearheaded by people who happen to be men. We haven't had a female president yet.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/24 09:48 PM
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It's simplifying a complex issue. Yeah sure, it was caused by people who happen to be men, but those people are also rich and powerful - which has much more of an effect on their ability to do that than their genitals do. Normally I respond with something like: "And 60% of gynecologists are women, so it's actually women's fault that IUD insertion rarely involves anesthetic. Just because it's done by someone who looks like you doesn't mean it's any less painful or discriminatory."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/24 08:54 PM
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For context, this was in Austrailia, and the appeal worked due to how the law was written at the time - in the 1970s. The law has since been "repealed and replaced", though I'm uncertain how much better it's become. It's not just this case, it's the whole system. In America, rape by a woman against a man wasn't considered rape until 2012 - it still isn't in Idaho.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/24 10:11 PM
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Trans men do not commit crime as much, but trans women tend to hold onto the male preponderance for crime. So, being a man isn't what does it, it's growing up as one. Huh, as it turns out if you teach someone to ignore their emotions from the moment they learn to speak and consistently ignore their boundaries by gaslighting them into thinking they 'always want it', then tell them that them being assaulted isn't a big deal because of how they were born, then gaslight them into fearing emotional c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/24 11:46 AM
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Only do this on black bears. If it's black, fight back. If it's brown, lie down (play dead). If it's white, make peace with whatever deity you pray to and utter your final words, because you're fucked.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 11:07 PM
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Black bears are not used to animals that fight back. If an animal fights back, it freaks them the hell out and they will usually run.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/24 11:03 PM
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The lifetime prevalence of violence against women is around that high, yes. It's actually around that high for men being attacked by women as well. For black men, the lifetime prevalence of being sexually victimized in some way by a woman is over 50%. Notably, bears are not as common as men. If men were replaced by bears and bears interacted with women as commonly as men do, humanity would be extinct by the end of the year.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/24 11:06 PM
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With a territorial dispute, they're percieving you as a threat and wanting to make you a "not threat" - by attacking you. If you wave your arms and back away while looking, you might be able to get away. If it charges, fighting is your only option with a black bear.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/24 10:59 PM
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But they're fuzzy bois :(
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/24 01:21 PM
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They're not as dangerous as some others, but yes, still a bear.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 10:03 PM
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Exactly. To some, there's no such thing as a 'good man', there's bad men and men who are just men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 08:25 PM
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Doesn't make it okay to hate women. I'm not saying you do, but hate only ever leads to more hate.
/r/MensRights03/05/24 04:29 PM
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Sun bear, panda bear, spectacled bear, and either black bear, you're probably alright. Brown bear, polar bear, sloth bear - you're probably going to die horribly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 03:45 PM
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Well, running isn't an option, the bear is faster than you. If it charges, fighting back is your only chance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 02:53 PM
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So long as you keep your distance and back away, mother black bear won't fuck with a human. If she does, punch the bear. It's not used to getting socked in the face, it'd run.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 12:02 PM
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My mom is nice, but there's a few women that I'd rather take the bear. You see - that's sort of the problem though. There's individual people that we'd rather take the bear over - but extrapolating that onto an entire population is just plain dumb. This is where the analogy and reality differ.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 03:19 AM
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It's a stupid question on multiple fronts. Bears do not attack people as often as men because bears do not exist in places where people are as often as men do. If you went into a subway and half of the people there were replaced by bears, bears would be more dangerous than men by an absolute landslide, and the women who say 'bear' would not say 'bear' in a million years. The logic doesn't work when applied to any other statistic. Young boys are significantly more likely to be the victims of phys…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 03:00 AM
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could you link me that survey, that sounds like an interesting read
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 02:46 AM
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Should children fear their mothers - who are statistically more likely to hurt them than their fathers? Should boys specifically have an even greater fear of their mothers - as the majority of parental violence is committed against the sex opposite the perpetrator - which, when combined with the fact that women are much more likely to be physically violent against their own children - leads us to the conclusion that being a young boy is unsafe? Should a young boy be in the forest - would it be b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 02:36 AM
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Don't like em. Hating women isn't acceptable. And nobody is owed sex. I do believe the word is thrown around too much. But men who are actually incels I don't like. I also believe that they are a symptom of a society that has little to no empathy for young boys, leading to a small but vocal group of sexually frustrated men with nowhere else to go but toxic forums, unfortunately leading to a toxic self fulfilling prophecy. The term is thrown around too much, but for the real ones - while I unders…
/r/MensRights03/05/24 12:27 AM
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It absolutely exists, but the term is usually used incorrectly - to the point that it's practically meaningless by now. Additionally, the word "Masculinity" doesn't have a concrete definition, so the term is sort of flawed from the very beginning. I prefer to use the term 'Toxic traditionalism" because it's got a more concrete definition and it doesn't pretend that men are the only ones who do it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/24 03:32 PM
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If I could be a house husband, I'd love to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/24 08:15 PM
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Some incels blame women because they believe that as people, they are owed sex, but that is a fringe group. There are more examples, but I seriously doubt it would make up any significant number of people. Women blame us, and I guess that's not technically completely false - men built this society, and this society is shit. However, those men have little to nothing to do with millennial and gen z men. Take their maleness away from them, and I have just as much in common with the people that set …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/24 12:07 PM
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They both fuel each other. I've noted significant trends within studies, they tend to swap definitions around and play with numbers to make men look as bad as possible and make women look as innocent as possible - but when you actually read the source material, the truth comes out. I don't really like using the word misogyny or misandry to describe things like murder or rape, because those are crimes that have a lot of context behind them. Someone dying doesn't mean it's a hate crime. Misogyny c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/24 02:20 AM
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I dunno. I think social media is actually going to make it better, since it's much harder to gaslight a child into keeping shit down if you can't go a day without seeing at least 10 people complaining online.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/24 10:13 PM
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As a gen z man, the left has done all it can to alienate young boys, so now they are looking for alternatives. 12 year old boys are not concerned with how they're going to uphold the patriarchy, they're looking for a place where they fit in. The "men are trash" crowd has irreversibly convinced them that that place is NOT feminism or leftism. So they went elsewhere. I'm disappoined, but not with men. And holy fuck I am the least surprised I have ever been.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/24 12:52 PM
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The women are wonderful effect is a pretty good answer I once read a source saying that if a crime has a male victim, the punisment is reduced by like 30%, but I can't find that anymore.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/03/24 12:38 AM
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Women have made it fairly clear that being approached is creepy and uncomfortable, and 20% of gen Z believe that a man approaching a woman almost or always constitutes harassment. The problem is that the only guys who are going to listen to that are the guys that care about making women uncomfortable. So the good guys just don't do it, leaving the bad ones for women to deal with - leading to a significant portion of the overwhelmingly negative perception of men that a lot of modern women have.
/r/MensRights23/03/24 09:41 PM
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No, my biggest fear is most definitely getting raped again, or perhaps killed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 12:48 AM
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I literally cannot believe this isn't a larger issue in spaces focusing around men. Men are similarly likely to women to be sexually victimized by the opposite sex, and yet this receives little to no media coverage - due to the erasure of male victims. If you follow peer-reviewed studies and not corporate media, male victims of female offenders make up anywhere from 1/3 of rape victims to 1/2 if you use the study (that has a sample size in the hundreds of millions) that I linked earlier. If you …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 08:13 PM
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I have. She was quite nice.
/r/MensRights30/01/24 03:57 AM
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Huh, it turns out that if you demonize and scapegoat an entire gender as being brutish rapists and dogs while willfully ignoring credible data to the contrary, they are less likely to listen to you. I'm a leftist, but I wasn't always. It was that exact reason that made me a conservative - I disagreed with them on most things, but they didn't pretend like I had it easy. (Pretended women did, though).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/24 01:08 PM
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There are 86,400 seconds in a day. Don't let someone who ruined 10 of them ruin the other 86,390. As someone who's been called some pretty heinous things, though, I do understand where she's coming from.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/24 01:35 PM
2

Nice Guy Syndrome is a real thing. If he's an asshole he's an asshole, plain and simple.
/r/MensRights31/12/23 01:38 PM
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Hence me mentioning that it's debatable
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/23 09:38 PM
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(Disclaimer: I'm a male victim myself) I agree with most of what you've said. Rape is among the worst crimes imaginable, but I wouldn't say it's worse to experience than murder. I'm alive, and I have a chance to recover from what happened. I am glad I'm not dead. That being said, murdering someone is a far cry from raping someone. Violently or otherwise. Murder can be done at the pull of a trigger, but rape requires a long string of malicious decisions to be made in order to occur - imo it takes…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/23 07:02 PM
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men do not face more sexual harassment. Men face more of every crime OTHER THAN sexual harassment, and debatably rape and DV. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/23 06:01 PM
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every single crime other than rape (if you ignore male victims), domestic violence (again, if you ignore male victims) and sexual harassment/assault (that one is true) happens more to men than it does women. If that sentiment were applied across the board, we really would live in a patriarchy. (I don't deny male privilege, I just can't reconcile the two sources above with the idea that society is built for us specifically)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/23 04:05 PM
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I don't think I've ever seen being there for someone being referred to as 'emotional labor' unless said someone is a man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/23 09:36 PM
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Oh absolutely! I'm not at all saying it doesn't happen. All I'm saying is that: For a woman, you just have to have sex with someone, and there's a chance. For a man, you have to literally nut in them. I don't care what she says or how many condoms you're wearing. Pull out, bros.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/23 01:12 PM
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I just mean misplaced trust happens more easily than a misplaced load, practically speaking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/23 05:59 PM
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I like to think that it's actually a sign of internalized misogyny - as it's a belief that men are somehow more in control of themselves and more deserving of the consequences of their actions. Once men get as many options for birth control as women though, I'll absolutely concede that men are more to blame considering we're the ones who make baby-making juice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/23 05:09 PM
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I usually get "It's not for the mother, it's for the child" which is of course untrue - as child support is not based on the needs of the child, it is based on the income of the person paying. Either that or I get "abortion is about bodily autonomy, when he's the one who's pregnant he can get an abortion" to which I reply "yes, and when she gets someone else pregnant she should be able to absolve herself of financial responsibility" Then it usually devolves into them using pro-life talking point…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/23 01:48 PM
5

Some studies say it's equal, I've even occasionally seen one that claims it's more likely, but this is the best one I've got because it explicitly states that FoM rape usually isn't counted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/23 12:07 PM
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at least 1 in 3 rape victims is a male victim of a female offender. This is a link to the post of mine, where I point out massive flaws in how CDC data is interpreted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/23 09:51 PM
2

My thoughts exactly. I consider myself a feminist, as I fit the definition, but I separate myself from some of the more inflammatory parts of the movement as I believe radical feminism does much more harm than good.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/23 08:38 PM
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Not exactly. Society is not of men by men for men, its of mostly men by mostly men for the wealthy, who are mostly men. It's more of a trend than it is a systemic thing at this point. At times, yes. I have a post about this. I'm uncertain whether it's systemic but I've seen a lot of it and that needs to change To a point, yes. Absolutely. every group has its advantages and disadvantages. I've seen places where it's true - the overturning of roe v wade is a good example. I (M) was the victim of o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/09/23 11:48 AM
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the prison population is a fraction of those on the outside, and I doubt they're even counted in these statistics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/23 11:09 PM
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I agree. This is more meant to be a rebuttal of the status quo regarding the subject.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/23 04:17 PM
1

Varies. Youd have to check the local price.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/23 11:48 AM
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Worked for me, worked very well. I'd still be doing it if I could afford it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/23 11:18 PM
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I worked at a gas station for two years. There were some manual labor tasks that happened, it was standard stuff. Minimum wage, maximum effort job, you know how it is. Women weren't required to do manual labor. Some still did, but they were never told to. It literally got to the point where if I was busy and a female coworker was on her phone, I would still be asked to do the manual tasks. I was doing the work of 3 people, and women were the only ones who got raises. Don't get me wrong, they def…
/r/MensRights04/08/23 11:58 PM
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I had a few parallels in my upbringing. I cringe when i hear the phrase, too. I prefer to just say "toxic traditionalism," describing the same phenomena but not pretending that women dont contribute to or benefit from it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/23 12:07 PM
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Men are demonized by radical feminists, those boys are then turned off of the idea of feminism, and then people like Andrew Tate pick them up, and they are thrown down the alt-right pipeline. The best thing we can do is get true egalitarianism into mainstream left-wing ideology. Easier said than done.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/23 11:38 AM
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bad male behaviour is very often rightfully punished but bad female behaviour is often ignored I agree with this part, but I don't agree that this post, specifically, is a double standard as I've seen it happen to women too a multitude of times. Less? Probably, but it still happens quite a bit.
/r/MensRights27/07/23 05:22 PM
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I completely expected this
/r/MensRights27/07/23 04:40 PM
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I dunno about this one man, I've seen women get dumped for the same reason. It's still a horrible reason, but I just don't think that this particular example is a double standard.
/r/MensRights27/07/23 02:00 PM
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Uh, it's true. Women consume less food and water, breathe less oxygen with each breath, and are generally smaller. From a practical standpoint, sending an all-female crew makes sense when the journey is as long as it is. Personally, it doesn't really matter to me so I think they should do it.
/r/MensRights09/05/23 07:51 PM
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