SunDevilElite42 Archive

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6	drug abuse gets you laid. Has anyone noticed this? Young American women love burnouts, one of the hottest women I ever knew was a bartender, her boyfriend was a drug addict who couldn’t keep a job down, skinny strung out looking dude, he would drop her off at work then drive her car around all night, she constantly bitched about how he doesn’t look for a job and is always bumming off her. She came into work one night looking awful, found out the dude was cheating on her while she was at work. I figured they broke up, lol nope, dude was back drop…	/r/seduction	01/10/22 10:24 AM
0	trying this sub at a recommendation, really need help 29m This right here is your problem, you are given solutions to your problems, but instead of listening and taking the advice, you just make up excuses. You don’t like that you are alone, yet you live in the middle of no where, you complain that uber cost too much but you refuse to drive because of your anxiety. Like how on earth can you expect to have different results if you refuse to change? I live in Las Vegas and if I told an attractive women that couldn’t drive us anywhere because driving give…	/r/seduction	27/09/22 05:07 PM
1	How many of you on here have actually improved with women after spending time on here? Yes, this sub taught me that it’s a a confidence and numbers game, if you can overcome the fear of approaching women and you make the effort to approach the ones you want, you will naturally learn what to do through trial and error. Seriously just start forcing yourself to talk to attractive women, you suck and fail at the beginning but just anything over time you will become a pro.	/r/seduction	22/09/22 09:50 PM
1	FR: This shit works for real Great story up until you took her back. Chick sounds toxic as hell, 100% will happen again	/r/TheRedPill	05/09/22 06:11 PM
13	Why do women say they don't like players yet they feel attracted to guys with options and a lot of experience in bed? There’s a great saying “what women say they want and what they actually want are two different things”.	/r/seduction	03/07/22 09:49 PM
27	Ex-GF hmu for sex but complication arose. How to handle? Sloppy seconds is gross man, cut this one loose.	/r/seduction	28/06/22 04:24 AM
3	How do sober people get casual sexual encounters? Legendary response, bravo sir	/r/seduction	24/06/22 12:59 AM
0	why are white women so difficult to escalate with compared to black or Hispanic women? Well you won’t have to worry about that! Us “angry white dudes” don’t date prostitutes, so it looks like we both win, cheers!	/r/seduction	22/06/22 02:33 AM
0	why are white women so difficult to escalate with compared to black or Hispanic women? Coming from the girl who posted about becoming an Escort 44 days ago on r/sexworkers you mean higher standards as in higher bank account? lol yeah hard pass on taking dating advice from a prostitute but go off..	/r/seduction	22/06/22 02:12 AM
8	why are white women so difficult to escalate with compared to black or Hispanic women? Something happened, I don’t know what it was but white girls got super stuck up and entitled in the last few years. I can approach black, Latina, and Asians all day and have great interactions, but approaching attractive white girls is almost a guarantee spicy interaction. A lot of em talk shit about the guys they’re seeing too… By the way I’m a fit 6’1 white guy.	/r/seduction	21/06/22 11:58 PM
3	Don't forget to make a girl feel wanted or you will be friendzoned Confident and appropriate physical touch goes a long way I’ve noticed. I drive a manual car one of my favorite things to do is when I pick a girl up is ask her if she’s ever driven stick, they usually say no, then I grab her hand interlock it with mine and then do the shifting with her. Bold and fun, but not inappropriate. Also if I walk into a bar or restaurant I like to place my hand mid back lean in and talk soft into one ear, say things like “I gotta stay sharp, your easily the prettiest wom…	/r/seduction	07/06/22 12:27 AM
9	A new hobby to meet girls Dude don’t do a hobby just to meet women. If you want do volunteer work, do it because that’s what you want to do. Do you really want to learn salsa? Or are you just pretending to enjoy it so you can meet women, because in my opinion that’s lame and a waste of your time. Go to a concert go to a bar or club where people go to socialize, be confident and upfront, do not rely on some situation that you think will serendipitously put you in front of an attractive women. Just straight up go up to the…	/r/seduction	11/05/22 09:03 AM
1	Why does every girl seem to be with a guy at bars? I remember one time I was at club and this smoking hot girl came in with a tall handsome dude. I was like that’s the hottest girl I’ve seen in a minute, he’s a lucky dude. Then my buddy was like, you know what, I don’t think they are together, so he straight up approached both of them and starting chatting her up, ask if they were together and she said no, that’s my cousin. 30 minutes later he left with her and got laid. I never assumed again.	/r/seduction	08/05/22 10:35 PM
45	Boring Replies from Girls in Dating App Me: I bet my day was better than your day Her: Haha probably Me: You look like you just robbed someone and are looking for a partner in crime? Her: Lol sure Me: wow you seem like a total comic book nerd Her: haha kinda Dating apps are trash, texting is trash, talking on the phone and in person cold approach is 1000X better because women don't talk like this ^ in real life.	/r/seduction	18/04/22 06:28 PM
-2	Thailand? Too many trannys, nothing against people who are trans it’s just fascinating how many men would rather be women in that country.	/r/seduction	12/04/22 09:54 PM
1	How does the game change from 30-40 ? This, American woman are beautiful but hands down the most difficult to deal with.	/r/seduction	07/04/22 12:54 PM
2	Anybody else get a different "vibe" when you don't jack off? It works 100% I can’t describe it or prove it, but not jerking off will make you more desirable, it will make you more focused and it will make you stronger.	/r/seduction	01/04/22 10:13 AM
3	Approach at a bar doesn’t seem working well compared to daygame “You should go with a group” Never rely on a group of people, solo approach is better anyways, and what if you don’t have a group to out with that night? Just sit at home? Nonsense “Daygame, which I never recommend” Why? Because the girls aren’t liquored up? Some of the most successful relationships I know started from a sober daily interaction. My Dad met my mom in line at a bank. OP if day game is working better then I would keep working that angle, women who frequent bars tend to be shallow a…	/r/seduction	26/03/22 11:38 AM
1	She flaked a second time without any excuse or rescheduling should I ghost her? I wouldn’t ghost her, but I would put her in the friend zone and move on. If you block/unfollow her on stuff it will make you look like a frustrated chump. If you make her feel like “hey no big deal, if I see you around don’t be a stranger” then she will see you as a confident guy with other options, you’ll alleviate any kind of pressure and actually might pull you back in. Plus attractive girls tend to have attractive friends, if you run into her when she’s out and about there’s a good chance s…	/r/seduction	25/03/22 07:03 PM
19	PSA: Don't waste time on girls who don't like you This. It’s not everything, but it drives me nuts when guys claim to do everything to improve their game yet they still look like the pilsberry dough boy. Would you want to date a chubby girl with no ass? Didn’t think so, you wanna 10, then become a 10.	/r/seduction	22/03/22 06:16 PM
2	Learn to play an instrument or join a band and it is guaranteed you’ll get laid I respectfully disagree, learn how to dance salsa/country swing, no one, especially you young guns know how to truly dance, but 99% of attractive women love to dance. If she’s single and gives me one full spin around the dance floor, it’s over. It’s literally fishing with dynamite, especially if you’re into Latinas…	/r/seduction	08/03/22 02:46 AM
5	Got the let's be friends text... It seems like you’re not really into this girl… I would text her back the thumbs up emoji then focus my attention on the girls Im not ok being friend zoned by	/r/seduction	23/02/22 07:17 AM
90	Should You Cold Approach or Use Tinder? Cold approach is king, especially if your good at it. It’s also a lost art, guys would rather use tinder because it tells you the girl is interested, nothing in real life directly tells you, Tinder creates a safe space. Cold approaching automatically sets you apart from 90% of the other guys, it exudes confidence, and puts you in a better position to feel things out. Plus really hot desirable women are not on dating apps, if you want a chill normal girl then sure, but the only time 9s and 10s wi…	/r/TheRedPill	23/02/22 04:29 AM
6	What’s the best US City for a single man? Couldn’t agree more, plenty of baddies for everyone out here, I have a condo in The Martin right behind Cosmopolitan, I go to the Chandelier bar 3 times a week, literally a bottomless well of beautiful women there.	/r/seduction	12/01/22 10:39 PM
2	What’s the best US City for a single man? Haha half is an exaggeration but yes, one time my buddy pulled me aside and said “pretty sure that’s a dude you’re talking too…” was very drunk, would have known better otherwise, happened only once in my 3 years of living here.	/r/seduction	12/01/22 10:18 PM
3	What’s the best US City for a single man? There are a ton of “working girls” I can’t deny that. But they are very easy to spot, drinking by themselves at a casino bar looking and smiling at every guy that walks by. I’ve actually had some very interesting and funny conversations with them but I would never take one home.	/r/seduction	12/01/22 10:13 PM
20	What’s the best US City for a single man? I’ll give you my take on this, I dated a super smart physician assistant in Denver, she had to work non stop constantly stressed constantly over worked, it was impossible for her not to bring work home, it made me stressed. I also dated a bottle service girl who worked at Marquee night club. She worked 4 nights a week about 5 hours a night, always came home shared with me hilarious stories from the club, was never stressed out and they literally paid her to workout and stay fit, plus any club/sh…	/r/seduction	12/01/22 09:58 PM
0	What’s the best US City for a single man? Wokeism.	/r/seduction	12/01/22 12:04 PM
177	What’s the best US City for a single man? I live in Vegas, and best of all I live on the strip. Literally everywhere I go there is nothing but beautiful 10s walking around dressed in sexy outfits and heels. It’s not just the tourist either, all of the women that work in the industry are absolute smoke shows. A lot of guys that hit on them too are from out of town so when I tell them I’m local their interest instantly shoots up, it’s like you get two points hotter by living here. If seducing beautiful women is your calling, this is the c…	/r/seduction	12/01/22 12:02 PM
1	We had an amazing time together on our first date, had a great kiss and today she sent me a message that she found out that she's still not over her ex. What do I do? I would tell her “I understand, thank you for the honesty” and move along with life. One of your boxes should be that the person should be into you as much as you are into them. At least she is honest with you. I dated a girl who I thought was perfect but for some reason couldn’t progress it further to be more serious, come to find out she was hooking up with her ex the two months we were dating. Wish she just would have told me after our first date…	/r/seduction	24/12/21 12:36 AM
2	Fuck the game It’s American women trust me. I started dating foreign women who were not born in the US and holy shit it’s a night and day difference. So much more respect, way better conversation. Especially Latin women, there is some sort of traditional edict and morals that they adhere too that’s been completely lost in modern American women. I swear it’s the Kardashians they sold entire generation that being constantly rude and boring is what makes you attractive. Trust me bro try going after the foreign w…	/r/seduction	08/12/21 07:25 PM
5	Fed up with OF girls making bank. Any guys here making money online? Join the Atlas discord for stock trading, not making $10K a month but I see guys in there pull it off, made about $1,400 last month. It’s hard but nothing worth having in this life comes easy.	/r/MGTOW	18/07/21 11:23 PM
4	I Lost my Job and my Wife Left me It sucks man, I’m sure you are feeling your absolute lowest. But look at this way, she left you because you lost your job… that’s so ridiculous, if your relationship is so fragile that simply losing one job is a deal breaker then it’s a doomed relationship from the start. You might not like hearing this but you need to build up your emotional muscle and start respecting yourself. I think of myself as another person, my best friend, my ride or die, I have been there for myself and I will always b…	/r/MGTOW	07/07/21 10:49 PM
2	Get woke go broke? Dude I have no idea. Every single movie that prides themselves on being woke has done absolutely terrible and has lost money. I’m talking they lose millions of dollars on every film. Yet they double down over and over again it’s absolutely astounding. I think Hollywood doesn’t care that they lose money. I think they believe they are doing the world a huge favor and that eventually we will just have to accept this as just how movies are now.	/r/MGTOW	30/06/21 02:04 PM
5	There are NO women worthy of a lifetime commitment from a man. Here is the MVP of the 2016 World Series cucked by his super Christian trade-con wife...by their PASTOR! This girl was actively cheating on him for two and half years. He took a break from playing baseball to work on his marriage that ended up costing him 8 million dollars. The affair was discovered when the pastors wife found one of Pastors burner phones. When her husband found out about the affair SHE filed for divorce. This guy is a multi millionaire, Championship winning MVP athlete and still couldn’t keep his wife from sleeping with a married Pastor who is 20 years older than him... and the fa…	/r/MGTOW	25/06/21 01:43 PM
2	Real Social Dynamics reviews I’d say the only thing you should pay for is a workshop/ or anything in person. If they are going to be “coaching” you over the phone or internet, I would say no. But I will say going out in the field with a pro and doing sets with that person is huge. They can analyze your style, see your demeanor, tone of voice etc... but that’s hard to find especially if you are not in a big city. I would stay away from online coaching though.	/r/seduction	06/06/21 03:12 AM
270	Who else is in their late 30s and still trying to learn how to be proficient at attracting women? I know a guy who is 40 years old and he is always pulling girls. He works out a lot, has great hygiene and always dresses sharp. He’s also a really good salsa dancer. He never acts old, never says stuff like “im probably too old for you”. He’s always cracking jokes and keeping high energy. Once girls are about 25 years old I think they really stop caring how old you are. I got another friend who is 37 and he’s got an absolute dime of a girlfriend who is 24. Believe it or not a lot of woman prefe…	/r/seduction	10/04/21 07:32 AM
40	A female "friend" starting to try and cash in her chips with me Oh my god, this literally just happened to me. Knew this girl in college, we were really good friends because we had the same classes together and she was always at my fraternity house. One week our fraternity planned a date party, I asked her to be my date but she turned me down because she was sleeping with one of my older fraternity brothers, even though he was sleeping with another girl. I said oh well, she ended up being tired of the guy and they split. 3 years later she kept coming into my…	/r/MGTOW	09/10/20 02:10 AM
1	I’ve been feigning unemployment for 5 years Your a fucking legend, slow and steady wins the race 😎	/r/MGTOW	10/08/20 04:42 PM
1	So privileged! Because your wrong, I don’t need to convince you to point out bullshit. In fact I don’t give a fuck to convince you at all because I know not matter how many facts I throw at you, your incompetence is going to convince yourself that your right.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/20 10:09 PM
1	So privileged! It wasn’t suppose to be dumbass.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/20 09:55 PM
1	So privileged! Lol my god what a dated joke, so your alone and old? If that were me I guess I would scream at people on the internet too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/20 04:38 PM
1	So privileged! And I’m Bill Cosby.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/20 04:00 PM
1	So privileged! Who hurt you? You’re clearly a single mom who made one too many bad choices...	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/20 03:05 PM
1	So privileged! Nope you 100% wrong. Go get a clue asshat	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/20 02:56 PM
1	So privileged! Oh hi there! I’m not an alt, I’m just a random dude on the internet watching your incompetence get you deeper and deeper into arguments you can’t win.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/20 02:51 PM
1	So privileged! Man you sure are throwing a bitch fit for just losing an argument. Best not to talk, you’ll look more intelligent.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/05/20 02:17 PM
1	Sickening feminist propaganda ESPN México Huh?	/r/MGTOW2	22/03/20 09:21 AM
23	Broke & Broken You should leave her, I know it's hard but we are here for you brother.	/r/MGTOW	04/11/19 02:38 PM
0	"Just so you know, I'm not going to sleep with you tonight." 101 You know what, I get this quite often when a pick up is going REALLY well. Usually it gets brought up when I inveit her home. She'd say "sure, but we're not having sex". I then follow with "no worries, I just met you so I totally feel you on that. I'm down to just kick it, see if you really know how to shoot pool haha" then once we are at my place we sit down on the couch, talk about shooting pool then start making out which then escalates to sex about 99% of the time. It's a win win situation b…	/r/seduction	03/08/18 06:59 PM
1	Should I take a break from talking to women? yeah wow thats a small high school, and yes I did go to ASU! Best 4 years of my life, the most beautiful women on earth go to school there, and i highly suggest you attend. I have a theory that so many good looking girls go there that their egos take a hit because the beauty is everywhere haha. If I were you I would focus on being straight up, if some people say your creepy they probably are misinterpreting you intentions. Whenever I'm unsure how a girl feels I just say "Hey I know we just met a…	/r/seduction	13/03/18 03:44 AM
1	Should I take a break from talking to women? I see, just curious whats your validation that these girls aren't into you? Have they directly told you they aren't interested or is it what you hear through other people/friends?	/r/seduction	13/03/18 02:15 AM
2	Should I take a break from talking to women? You said your friends with many correct? Something that helped me when I was lonely was was focusing my appreciation on what my friends valued about me. Good friendships can really help the void. As for the girls have you had any that were into you but you weren't into them? Is it just the girls you desire or is it all the girls you know?	/r/seduction	13/03/18 02:05 AM
1	My text game sucks. I dont know what im doing wrong Great advice, especially changing locations, thats key.	/r/seduction	10/02/17 07:41 PM
1	How to approach a waitress? Anyone saying you should not pick up a waitress just because she is a waitress and on the clock shouldn't be giving advice in r/seduction. You probably never see her unless she is working, so don't listen to those people. I sucessfully picked up a cocktail waitress at a casino and it went somethng like this. I approched her while she's walking, "whats going on!? No love for the Black Jack tables?" "excuse me?" "Iv'e been waiting for you to swing by, I guess im not that lucky tonight." "Oh haha, …	/r/seduction	06/01/17 03:17 AM
0	Hiring a professional photographer for online dating pics. Professional pics come across too serious. A bunch of pics where your care fee and having a blast with your mates would be better. You want to be the guy who comes across as if you don't need online dating but do it out curiosity. With that being said I personally find online dating aps to be a weak approach to meeting women. Going to a bar/mall/coffee shop/ or local event and approaching women in person is 1000% more effective in my opinion. 8s, 9s, and 10s don't used tinder, they don't need it…	/r/seduction	12/12/16 09:56 PM
18	Effect of weed on game I do absolutely terrible when I smoke. My domineer changes from alpha to beta, I'm not as witty, not willing to go out of my comfort zone, intimidated ect... My cousin and I pulled these two girls who we convinced to smoke with us at our place, after we all took a hit we got into some weird/awkward political discussion that in all honestly kinda of turn us all off. I had a slight feeling my cousin and I were not our same energetic, funny and confident selves, that reflected to our lady friends. …	/r/seduction	04/12/16 04:52 PM
2	the tinder effect Haha in my experience 8s 9s and 10s don't use tinder, girls who are a little less confident and not as attractive use tinder. I would much rather go to a party or bar and cold approach over using the app. At least in person I instantly know what I'm getting into vs hoping they are somewhat what their profile makes them out to be. Plus tinder favors pretty guys and if your not the best looking then in person approaching is 10X better! Play off of humor and confidence, those qualities out play loo…	/r/seduction	06/10/16 03:42 PM
1	[Serious] What do you say when a girl calls you hot? "hot like sauce?" ;)	/r/seduction	11/09/16 04:47 PM
1	Should I ask her out or wait? Ask her out for sure, but wait until she gets back. I would go the casual hangout. I like taking girls out on laid back dates, batting cages, air hockey, take the dog to the creek ect. These are effective because it makes your feelings remain a mystery to her, if you realize your in the friend zone you can cut your losses easily rather than being tied up on a long dinner date and movie. Plus movies don't allow a lot of conversation to take place and in my experience good convo is key! If you fee…	/r/seduction	02/08/16 12:22 AM
2	Any advice on tinder game? Thanks bud, ill be sure not to forget!	/r/seduction	01/08/16 11:48 PM
16	Any advice on tinder game? I find Tinder to be more difficult than real life. If you can make fun conversation and aren't intimidated of approaching women than your more likely to get action in my opinion. You can't convey body language or add the "touch" element when your on tinder. My rate of flaking is far far less when I first meet them in person rather than meeting them on Tinder, there is just an uneasy feeling deep inside meeting up with someone you have never met before. Lastly I can't tell you how much girls fluf…	/r/seduction	01/08/16 03:58 PM
5	Open Cuckoldry Classic doormat, Im sure he'll still be scratching his head 10 years from now when he discovers her affair.	/r/MGTOW	26/04/16 07:49 PM
49	Girl keeps showing interest then flaking, not sure how to respond This recently happened to me. Met this girl at work I asked her out and we hungout that night. We had a great time, made on my couch all night. Then I tried hanging out with her multiple times after that and she kept flaking constantly finding excuses. I took the hint and started talking to other girls but then she started hitting me up like crazing wanting to hangout. So I went back to making plans with her but then of course she cancels! I was like wtf, she then hits me up the next weekend wan…	/r/seduction	30/01/16 04:47 PM
5	Living in the city vs. the suburbs Cities are better hands down! I went from living in Sedona AZ to living in Scottsdale AZ and the amount of opportunities increased by 1000% I learned that in my small town if you were an attractive single lady you were special, and they knew it which made seduction harder, in Scottsdale you couldn't walk one block without seeing a solid 9 by herself. If you got shot down you had a hundred more opportunities with a gorgeous women that day. If your gorgeous no one really cares because there are go…	/r/seduction	23/01/16 07:10 PM
-5	All my friends hate me ever since I've started doing pickup. Perhaps you don't have the right friends. I can imagine you talked to the front desk girl for about 5 minutes? And the waitress you probably made conversation with as she was coming and going from your table? This seemed to bother your friends? Sounds to me like they are jealous of your confidence. If I was out with my buddy and he said hey ima go hit on that girl and try and get a number, I would be like hell yeah! Bust out the popcorn and watch this go down! Oh i'm sorry bro did you want me to…	/r/seduction	04/01/16 03:10 PM
1	finally went for it. (27 Male) I am 25 and I have a rule of not going below 22. 21 is tricky waters unless your just trying to get a hook up. When attractive women are 21 they are just starting to see what night life is like. They get bombarded by strangers at every other bar. At least by the time they are 22 they have gotten it out of their system to some degree. Trust me man, there isn't a whole lot you can relate to with that age difference, you'll start making references she doesn't get and it will feel awkward. Finding a…	/r/seduction	14/11/15 06:34 AM
2	FUCK EVERYTHING, I'M GOING TO GO APPROACH A BEAUTIFUL GIRL RIGHT NOW, I DON'T CARE THE RESPONSE Hell yeah man! I love it when I see my fellow brethren get into this "fuck it" state of mind. Just think about it this way, no matter what you say or or how she reacts, not going up to her at all is the worst possible outcome. Her saying "sorry I have a bf" or "fuck off" is the same result as not doing anything at all, you only have something to gain! Train wreck approaches are some of my most hilarious memories, report back brother!	/r/seduction	26/10/15 06:42 PM
3	First lay field report (finally did it, feel like a God) OP you don't need to apologize for only simply wanting sex. Having sex with a girl isn't simply about the feeling or the accomplishment of getting off. Having sex with a girl 100% validates that you are desirable, that you did everything correctly, that you successfully convinced someone to play their best card. Girls usually don't have sex with a guy just to make him leave, they would do that with a kiss, or by saying their tired, making you think that they are interested but in turn really are…	/r/seduction	18/10/15 06:11 AM
13	One of the many reasons why I've given up on dating Ha ha I feel the same. I'm a closet MIGTOW, ill have a girl thinking im mr perfect, 100k/year job, fake pic of my car, say I own two properties. Then the next morning when they say can I see you again? I say sorry but I don't date girls that put out on the first date. Their reaction is worth all the effort.	/r/MGTOW	24/09/15 03:33 AM
2	If you tell a girl that you prefer to meet girls "the old-fashioned way" (i.e. in person), you will experience more success Women don't like the idea that your chasing after it. A girl who is a 9 wants a guy who in her opinion is a 9, and a 9 doesn't need an app to get a girl. I find it much easier to get a date in person than over an app. In person I can actually gauge her response in laughter and body language. She can also feel more comfortable about who she is going on a date with because you have validated who you are and what you look like in person, she then knows what she is signing up for. On tinder you just…	/r/seduction	16/09/15 09:42 PM
2	How I Got My Mojo & Balls Back This is awesome, self improvement is always the way to go, if you feel good you show it! I feel your pain, I force myself to gym nearly everyday and I can see a night and day difference in my attitude. Thank you for this!	/r/seduction	04/09/15 06:25 AM
16	This is for the true MGTOW Im one of those who is trying to avoid the "free roam prison". It all hit me when I was about 22 ( 2 years ago). My brother (34) is a married hard working individual. He has two kids and a wife that he completely supports on his own. She does nothing but sit a home and watch reality TV, she doesn't cook, and she barely cleans. When my brother comes home she is about 3 drinks ahead of him and has no hesitation on starting an argument the second he arrives home. He is over worked and stressed out …	/r/MGTOW	06/04/15 05:41 PM