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Red Pill makes a parody out of itself the way it worships lifting and outright ignores every other sport. There are plenty of other, a lot more enjoyable activities you can do in order to get stronger and better-looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/16 04:11 PM
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Guys who were, honest to goodness, treated very, very badly by women, whether they were abused by their mothers or just pissed on throughout their childhood by bratty chicks, tend to grow up hating women and seeing the worst in them. They see shades of that abusive, malicious, bratty demeanor in every girl. I refuse to believe there are men who have been treated badly by every single woman they've ever met. Unless they've only interacted with, like, 10 women in total in their whole life. Just li…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 08:16 AM
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"I used to think my dog was dumb, but then I realised I was unknowingly judging it by human standards. Now I just try to keep in mind it's a dog and judge its intelligence by dog standards, and turns out my dog is pretty smart."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 08:21 AM
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Where do you live that you meet guys shorters than you? I'm 5'6 and I've never met an adult man shorter than me except a few ~90 year old hunched grandpas. And, no, I'm not from Netherlands.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 11:42 PM
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Most women with online dating profiles will say they want 6+. Most women you meet in the real world gossip behind closed doors that they want 6+ without saying it out loud because they don't want to sound shallow. This would be wrong even if for the sole reason that the vast majority of women (virtually all women outside America) don't use imperial system. As a European I don't know any woman who says "I want a 6 feet boyfriend" because most women I know have no idea how many centimetres a foot …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 11:39 PM
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Maybe some men are happier when they have genuine partnership and work like an equal team instead of shouldering all the burden of decision-making.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 11:31 PM
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Geriatric mothers are mothers over 35 which should tell you something. "Geriatric pregnancy" is an outdated term, nobody uses that anymore. 35 year old women are not senile in any way. And in some countries like Norway, "advanced maternal age" is considered to be over 40, not over 35 - makes much more sense to me since the vast majority of healthy 35-40 year old women who have already had a child before will have little trouble getting pregnant again and the chances of genetic defects only sligh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 11:18 PM
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As a woman, I noticed that since I grew out of my teens I tend to have this view with everything in life, not just sex. I'd rather become more invested in a few music bands I really love than listen to lots of mediocre music. I'd rather drink coffee only occasionally but really good coffee, than have shitty or mediocre coffee every day. I'd rather have very few but very close friends I love very much than tons of half-hearted friends. I'd rather have a great party once a month, a small party wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 10:58 PM
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It would mean loving someone just because of their very being. If you fall in love with their "very being", that's still something distinctly about them that you love. Otherwise you'd love literally every human on the planet. So, no, that's still a condition. There is no need to prove unconditional love and it cannot be proven, at least I don't see how. So, in other wiords, you can claim to love someone unconditionally without ever having to show it in any way or do anything about it, and nobody…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 08:23 PM
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By whom? Show me the proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 07:02 PM
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You think that unconditional love means the man will always stay with the woman he loves. This is an assumption and not true. I noticed you're not the first Red Piller who doesn't seem to know the definition of "unconditional". I'll break it to you: it means no conditions.NONE at all. Zero. It would mean loving the woman even if she became wrinkled, fat, refused to have sex with you or started cheating on you. It would mean loving someone just because. If you can only fall in love with a woman w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 07:01 PM
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Her behavior makes me feel love even if it's not directed at me. I don't necessarily love how she makes me feel, rather, she makes me feel love. That's what "I love how she makes me feel" means. You can call it something else if that makes you feel better, but that's what it is. Im not saying I don't also love how she makes me feel, but that is by far momentary, Yes, that's how it works. It makes you momentarily feel love for her, but over time, over many of those incidents it cements into a str…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 05:45 AM
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Guys like Clooney will be shamed to death professionally if they marry women that are 20. Oh, come on. There are men of this status who marry 20 year olds. You're really overestimating how much people care. An old man marrying a young woman is seen as normal, albeit less common than it used to be. What would really cause talk is the opposite - an old woman marrying a young man. Even if it was looked down on, famous people have a lot of leeway in what they can get away with and still stay famous.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 05:38 AM
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Every actress who's really famous is known to be a great actress. Do you know how many young hot women apply for those roles? There are tons of them, the competition is huge. Being pretty alone isn't going to get you famous in Hollywood, you have to actually know how to act. And why are you pretending that looks don't matter for male actors? Most famous male actors are also very attractive, or used to be very attractive and are now still basking in the momentum of their glory. No, the reality is…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/16 05:33 AM
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Men are judged more on social standing/status vs women that are youth/beauty. This is a basic biological issue that can't be fixed "socially". If women don't care about men's looks, then why are Red Pillers telling men to lift all the time? Why are so many of the so-called "incels" ugly? If youth doesn't matter for women, why aren't you seeing 60 year old male strippers or erotica models, or boy band members that young girls are falling for? Yeah, in fact, why are most of those popular boy bands…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 08:55 PM
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When she does make me feel loved through her actions, it's more like I feel like she loves me, not that I love her. I don't mean her doing things for you, I mean the way she acts, her personality, everything about her. You might desire her for her body, but you love her (if you even love her at all) because of how she makes you feel. Love is about feelings, it's not rational or utilitarian. If she is feminine and I love her ways, then I could love her very much so. I don't stop loving my SO when…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 08:42 PM
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No not really, you love family because they're family. There are plenty of people who hate their families. Many people love their families because they've been there for them, helped them and supported them and genuinely cared about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 08:38 PM
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Which would you rather be loved for? Your paycheck or your tits? Neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 08:33 PM
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What this means is "Men see women are holes with lumps of meat attached to them. No more hole access or too ugly body hole frame = no woman. Yes, very pure indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 08:30 PM
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You can find another job, and confidence is certainly something that can be learned. You can't, however, stop the process of ageing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 08:28 PM
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Even if she gets ugly, he will still love her behavior most likely, but be sexually unattracted. Yeah, that's how you love your family or friends. Women don't ditch their friends just because they get old, they still like them for their behaviour/personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 08:19 PM
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making her feel the way she wants to feel. Yeah, that's how love works. For everyone. You wouldn't love a woman if being around her made you feel like shit, don't pretend that you would. You just want to have something to make you feel morally superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 08:17 PM
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Looks can change very quickly and is something that's mostly out of your control - at least ageing is. Your abilities and skills don't fade with age but only increase, and you have much more control over them. Just think about it, what you achieve in life is due to how intelligent you are, and intelligence is in the brain. Brain is just as much of an organ as skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 08:14 PM
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Shame isn't objective, it can't be logical. You can't tell someone they're "disrespecting themselves", respect/disrespect is also subjective. You can't make soneone feel ashamed or humiliated by something they don't find shameful or humiliating at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 08:09 PM
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So will most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 08:05 PM
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Ok, so why do you think is that? Give me one reason that's not blatant sexism. Yeah, I see on this sub whenever something is at women's disadvantage they're told to just suck it up, but whenever something's at men's disadvantage, suddenly we're living in gynocentric society that hates men while women are privileged.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 08:00 PM
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The continuous whining about post-wall women in Hollywood struggling to get jobs indicates otherwise. If this was really so obvious and universally agreed upon it would just be an inevitable fact of life, not an issue worth spending political capital on. Hollywood actresses aren't there to find husbands, they're there to get a job, you know, in acting, something that takes skill, experience and talent, the things they sell. `Being a good actress has nothing to do with how old you are, on the con…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/16 07:56 PM
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You should look at studies below. This whole analysis was debunking this first study. If you look at subsequent studies, there's quite a drop of responses from men from "date" to "sex". Also look through this one, possibly the most thorough analysis I've seen yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 07:28 PM
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If someone forced me by non-violent means to drink a glass of water with my own hand? What kind of crime would that be? And what would the sex equivalent be? Unwanted sex can be really uncomfortable, at least for women. If you're not aroused, you're probably not wet and there's going to be friction; and if you're afraid, you're going to be tense, which increases pain too. With water analogy, it would have to be like, coercing you to drink a glass of very salty water, or to drink a glass of water…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 07:36 AM
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Yes, but if you noticed, while men were quite receptive to date offers, they were mostly unreceptive to direct sex offers. More receptive than women, yes, but most men weren't up to having sex with a random stranger woman who asked them on the street.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 09:05 PM
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Ah, "biotruths" again. Now if only you had some actual scientific sources to back up those claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 04:22 PM
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Most people don't give a fuck. Except extremely conservative people who would be against porn of any kind, Red Pillers are the only people I know who're making a huge deal out of this and using this book as revealing a universal truth on the nature of all women or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 04:11 PM
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People want to be approached by people they're attracted to?! Preposterous. Next thing you'll be telling me is people want to listen to the music that sounds pleasurable to their ears.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 04:09 PM
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Drinking water is something that's no big deal, doesn't define people and is trivial and inconsequential. But if someone forcefully held you and forced water down your throat, I'm sure you wouldn't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 04:07 PM
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Women generally don't want to have sex with random people they meet on the street (at least not immediately) People generally don't want to have sex with random people they meet on the street (at least not immediately)..
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 04:05 PM
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1) Quit the sub 2) Seek therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 09:45 PM
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I can't imagine a man who would be significantly stronger than me, unless we're talking about a disabled or severely ill man, it just wouldn't be physically possible. I'm 5'6 and I've almost never seen a man who was shorter than me, except a couple of crouched old men. I'm kind of semi-fit, my resistance strength sucks so even the most unfit (but otherwise healthy) man would still be stronger than me by muscle power, unless he was a dwarf (but I guess that's covered by "otherwise healthy) And I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 09:40 PM
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When I lived in Lithuania: never (have lived there for most of my life) When I lived in Denmark: never (have lived there for a year) Since I moved to UK: occasionally; I've been catcalled maybe 8 times in over 2 years I've lived here, but most were just polite compliments, I wouldn't even call them "catcalls". No insults or touching. Two times I got whistled at from a car and one time I got shouted at from a car, the only case which I found annoying and didn't appreciate. Notably, most cases hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 09:20 PM
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OK, call it "social intelligence" then, doesn't matter what it's called. But emotions do play a huge part in interactions between people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 09:05 PM
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Women look youthful for more than just two years after finishing puberty. No matter what TRP says, attractiveness isn't a "wall", it's not like on the eve on your 21 birthday you're still young and beautiful but the next morning you're suddenly old and shrivelled up. It's also highly individualised. There are trends, yes, a 45 year old isn't going to look as young as 20 year old, but most people take way too little care of their lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 05:22 PM
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Eat healthy, exercise, get enough sleep and reduce stress. This is the best anti-ageing regimen you'll find (except for sunscreen). Seriously, google "glycation". Excess sugar literally destroys your collagen. And everything that increases inflammation and oxidation of cells also promotes ageing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 05:17 PM
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You do realise this says absolutely nothing on how many men had sex, right? Reproducing = having sex, but having sex =/= reproducing. There are two models of society this could work in: either in a highly polygynous society where a small number of men hoard a lot of women, leaving many other men partner-less; or a very polyamorous society with complete sexual freedom for women so that they could choose to have casual sex with any man she liked... which could potentially result in a situation of …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 05:00 PM
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Being able to read other people's facing and social cues and respond to them in a way that would allow you to function in social interactions is a form of intelligence. Humans live in a society and need to interact with other people and form relations with them, as we're inherently very social creatures, not just sit around solve math puzzles 24/7.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/16 04:36 PM
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It wouldn't be needed if all people were knowledgeable on basic human anatomy. Sadly, that doesn't seem to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 07:44 PM
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I'm honestly torn on this issue. On the one hand, I remember all too well being a teenage boy. To him, sleeping with a teacher (presumably a reasonably attractive one) would have made his adolescence. I wonder how that fits with Red Pill claim that men always prefer younger women...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 01:37 PM
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Puberty isn't some one-off threshold when before that you're still 100% a child and then suddenly become biologically an adult overnight. Various secondary sexual traits develop over time. You can already have boobs at 10 but not have armpit hair until 13, or vice versa. Or you can have full boobs at 12 but no hips until 16.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 01:35 PM
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if your getting boners for boobs and hips youre the OPPOSITE of a pedophile Having boobs and hips doesn't mean you're already fit for birthing. Most girls already have boobs and hips at 13, doesn't mean it's a good age to get pregnant and have babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 01:32 PM
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body hair is a masculine trait, a result of testosterone. Having a lot of thick, dark body hair all over your body is a masculine trait and a result of male levels of testosterone. Having body hair in general isn't a masculine trait. Literally all women have it. If most women were naturally hairless, there wouldn't be a market for this huge hair removal industry with lots of different options aimed at women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/16 01:29 PM
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Proof being that men will fuck just about any women while vice versa is not true (women are much more selective with who they have sex with). It shows women have higher standards for good sex. It doesn't mean women enjoy sex less. women never know how "good" sex will be with any guy. Funny, high status, charismatic: none of those things give any indication of whether or not a guy will be good in bed. They do. It's hard to enjoy sex is you're not attracted to the guy at all. It's also hard to enj…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 07:42 PM
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"men like sex more than women" is controversial or incorrect. It seems stupidly obvious. Seriously, how can you prove something like this? Even if women want sex less often than men (if it was actually biological and universal, instead of socialised and only present in cultures where historically female sexuality was shamed and restricted - unfortunately, there are very few cross-cultural studies on human sexuality), how could you prove they enjoy it less than men? I like coffee. You like coffee…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/16 02:24 PM
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Women have a whole separate organ designed solely to provide sexual pleasure, which men don't have the equivalent of. Women can experience several different types of orgasms, while men only 2. Women are much more likely to experience multiple orgasms than men. Female sexuality is more fluid, they can be aroused by more things than men. Women even have more sensitive skin than men. Yes, I think it's pretty obvious that women are designed to thoroughly enjoy sex and want it a lot. The fact that me…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/16 10:09 PM
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It tells you that many men want casual, hassle-free sex, or very specific fetish sex that only prostitutes can fulfil. It's not exactly a government secret. Whereas sex toy industry and erotica market (which is huge too, you can make money even with shitty erotica), as well as increasing number of women watching porn and increasing popularity of female-oriented form tells you that women do, in fact, have sexual desires, it's just that those sexual desires can't always be fulfilled by men, or men…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 07:17 PM
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Seriously, though, fuck Victorian era. This is where all this "women are pure and innocent angels who must be 100% asexual" bullshit started.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 04:26 PM
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I'm sorry that women are not attracted to anything that moves. Neither are men, for fuck's sake. The only place I ever hear this meant seriously (not as a joke) is Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 04:22 PM
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The fact that sex toy industry is so much bigger for women than men apparently doesn't tell you anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 04:20 PM
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The point is that women are simply attracted to way less guys than guys are to girls. Except there's no proof of this besides that one OK Cupid study *that's not actually a proof, every single time it's posted it's misinterpreted and only "fitting" parts are cherry picked.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 04:19 PM
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Your mistake comes in thinking that being choosy about your partner means you don't enjoy sex. It doesn't - it just means that there are more factors at play than dick going into vagina. So much this. You can't analyse female sexuality from the lenses of male sexuality, they're different. But just because female sexuality doesn't work exactly the same way as male sexuality, doesn't make it weaker or less powerful. It's just more complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/16 04:11 PM
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A woman will not be able. A woman would have a smaller chance than a man, but she could still have one, depending on the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 02:05 PM
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How about teaching both? Though I have no idea how any fully mentally-adjusted person with normally developed social recognition skills could miss the freezing. "Huh, we were making out and suddenly her body went completely, barely breathing and goosebumps/cold sweat. I'm sure everything's totally fine, though, I'll just keep going like before!"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/16 11:07 AM
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It's just shows how ridiculous and ignorant this book is. What it suggests is closer to slavery, not traditional relationships. Historically in the West, women were in control of the household's finances and budgeting. That's why math was once seen as a feminine subject because it was tied to those skills women needed. Even today in Japan and China it's still considered customary for the wife to control the husband's finances.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/16 02:41 PM
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Another good point I would add: Forced dominance/submission dynamics: I've seen many Red Pillers claim that men are inherently sexually dominant while women submissive, that those are their "natural preferences" and should be enforced every time no matter whether an individual woman likes it or not - I've seen many sexual advice posts on Red Pill tell men to treat women very roughly during sex without first finding out if they actually like it and not caring about women's preferences - "Just sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/16 11:51 AM
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I would argue with the OKCupid statistics of more women are perceived as attractive than men (more than 50% of women are considered attractive according to men, but only 20% of men are considered attractive according to women). If I had a penny every time someone mentioned this study and made the wrong conclusions from it, I'd be rich by now. They weren't asked to rate physical attractiveness but overall desirability based on available pictures and profile description. I've been to OK Cupid. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 02:25 PM
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People don't stay attractive their whole lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/16 12:16 PM
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Well, it's a pity that USA isn't the only country in the world, isn't it? Just because you personally don't see those women or know them, doesn't mean they're any less relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 01:44 PM
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Women were extremely discouraged from having sex outside marriage. If they did, they would completely ruin their chances of marriage, and those "old maids" were desperate enough that they wouldn't risk it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 12:39 PM
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There is a certain duh-factor in saying that people prefer an intelligent, well educated partner with earning potential. Yeah, it would seem duh to everybody else, but Red Pillers frequently say how men don't care about intelligence at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/16 12:37 PM
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I'm a woman and getting oral feels absolutely awesome and if I were never to get them again, my life would be a lot duller because of it. That still doesn't mean I base my whole life on how much cunnilingus I'm getting in a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 11:43 PM
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Yeah, sure, your upbringing had absolutely nothing to do with it. All the people who didn't become rich or powerful were just losers. If that makes you feel good about yourself, keep telling yourself that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 05:27 PM
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So if your wife offered you a blow job extra everyday you wouldn't take it since you're okay? It's both sad and funny how the amount of blowjobs is your default measure for quality of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 01:48 PM
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because I built it cushy with hard work. Because you had access to education, technology and protection from most things humans used to suffer for most of history - starvation, wild animals, cold, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 01:45 PM
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Medicine is STEM No it's not. STEM means Science, Technology, Engineering, Math. Medicine is deeply tied to biology, a scientific field (human biology, specifically), but it's not science, it's a healthcare field. law is a shite degree unless you went to a top institution. It's only a shit degree in countries where social sciences and humanities are too popular and universities are churning out too many law graduates, increasing unemployment and lower salaries. In other countries it's one of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 01:41 PM
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In general, in a society where women are quite harshly treated, they will work towards empowering themselves so might choose a degree with higher expected earnings This doesn't make any sense. In Iran and other Muslim countries, husbands are required by law to financially support their wives, and it's a traditional expectation that women stay at home and men work. Most of those STEM students aren't poor women trying to escape from poverty, it's mostly women from wealthy families and relatively l…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 01:14 PM
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I'm not from Ukraine.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/16 12:48 PM
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And those rich white dudes are surely coming after ugly girls in third-world countries?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 10:52 PM
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I'm from an Eastern European country and most men there don't take care of their appearance at all. The short-hair-Adidas-tracksuit stereotype didn't come out of nowhere. When I came to UK to study I was astonished how attractive a lot of British guys looked in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 10:50 PM
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Anyone can look distinguished in an expensive, well-fitting suit. I don't think he's handsome at all. Maybe some 15-20 years ago, but not in this picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 10:44 PM
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I can't speak for your country, so it's a moot discussion Just because you're ignorant of gender dynamics in other countries than your own, doesn't mean they don't exist or don't matter. Also, this thread is two months old. Why are you stalking me? Chill out, this has nothing to do with you. I was googling something else and this thread literally came up as the first result, I was curious so I clicked on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 10:39 PM
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So, basically, exactly the same reasons women who study those majors have?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 10:31 PM
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I've never seen or heard of anyone on TRP whining about a lack of women in Blue Collar work or STEM fields. This very thread? "Women are just too lazy to take those jobs, men are oppressed because they're forced to take them because women won't"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 07:19 PM
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Well, they're being hired for those jobs. This means their performance is good enough to justify hiring them. Of course they're probably paid less than the male workers, tough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 06:56 PM
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Women have the option to put things like free time, flexibility, safety, comfort, etc near the top of their list because women are valued for existing. Women need those options because they're the ones taking care of the children.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 06:52 PM
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So if you don't want women in those jobs, why are you Red Pillers constantly whining about lack of women in those jobs? If you're actively pushing women out of those jobs, why are you blaming women for "choosing" not to enter them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 06:51 PM
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In my country over 70% of medical students are women. Even if, let's say, all of the male students ended up in those highest-paid longest-hour fields, there simply wouldn't be enough of them to fill all those jobs, plenty left for women. And why are you equating working fewer hours with not having financial responsibilities? A woman who works 40 hours is just as capable of taking care of herself financially as a man who works 45 hours. And most women in my country don't leave work after having c…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 06:47 PM
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My whole point was that studying music in college isn't really a viable option for a man who wants to support a family because it isn't a lucrative career choice. So, what are all those men doing in that course then?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 06:44 PM
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The thing that is bothersome is that women talk about the wage gap, when they largely refuse to do any of the dangerous jobs that pay more. In Russia there are 456 jobs that women are barred from And not all of those jobs are dangerous, many of them are simply "technical" or thought to be unfeminine, yet well-paid and offering benefits like early retirement opportunity. Belarus has banned women from 182 jobs (down from 252), and [China has similar restrictions as well]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 06:42 PM
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Also, reproducing =/= getting laid. Or, rather, the other way around: getting laid =/= reproducing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 02:43 PM
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Men compete for any woman. If that was true, male sexual selection wouldn't exist. Yet it exists both in humans and other animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 02:38 PM
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he presents, the poetry, the declarations of love This guy watched too many movies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 02:35 PM
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and women have to do what, exactly? Oh, I forgot nothing. Yeah, that's what it's supposed to look. Women are told that all their efforts in making themselves beautiful should stay invisible, or else they look fake and desperate. So they should eat like a bird and exercise but pretend like they don't care about their weight and are just naturally slim, or pretend they don't put that much effort into their looks ("I'm not like those vain girls who spend hours in front of the mirror!") while actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 02:34 PM
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Or have very poor to nonexistent social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/16 02:28 PM
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If those workshops are getting students, then it's working.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 02:17 PM
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So you're saying all those women hate studying STEM and would rather study something "feminine" but are only doing it for money?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 02:16 PM
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I'm studying in UK and there's no such thing as "women's studies" degree here. Maybe a Masters degree or doctorate, but so far I haven't seen any. Gender topic is often included in social science courses, but I've never seen "women's studies" course on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/16 02:16 PM
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how drawn women are to celebrities And men aren't? Just look at how many men are swooning over Jennifer Lawrence, even though she's not even exceptionally attractive - I mean, I guess she's attractive, but not magically so. And just look at the popularity those Japanese pop-idols draw from men - most of the audience is often male. Yes, most women have had a celebrity crush at some point. For 2 reasons: 1) celebrities are easy to spot and pay attention to; because they're famous 2) the percent of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 12:01 PM
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Everybody is aiming for the person they personally want most. Not for the "objectively best person", if such thing even exists at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 12:00 PM
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They want to reproduce with the most successful guy (hence hypergamy) that will allow her the best odds of survival with kids. And men want to reproduce with the most beautiful woman, for the best genes. Whenever anybody quotes that infamous OK Cupid study, the bit they always leave out is how most men only message the minority of the most attractive women (and then complain how nobody wants them...). The hypocrisy with "hypergamy theory" is how "marrying up" is only measured by the amount of mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/16 11:53 AM
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But they are dependent on a provider. It's just that their provider is not their spouse but their employer. They would only be not dependent on a provider if they were their own boss, like a business owner or freelancer, or produced all they need by themselves. Even then it's not true independence - you're dependent on your customers, or nature. But it's closer in that it's not being directly dependent on one person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 06:24 PM
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but it's not impossible to know things and still retain some innocence and shyness. I don't really understand what "innocence" even means in this context. Is it literally "innocent" as in, not committing crimes? Or is it more like, "naive" - not being aware of bad things that happen in the world, or having a very romantic and idealised (but often wrong) view of the world? If it's the second one, I don't think there are many adult people, men or women, who are "innocent". If you wanted to date a …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 04:09 PM
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Don't feed the troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 04:02 PM
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In case you haven't noticed, there are over 7 billion people in the world. Women have been reproducing plenty in most non-developed countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 04:01 PM
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supporting yourself financially and not relying on a wealthy partner or parents. You're not "supporting yourself" if you're employed in a company. The company is paying you for your work, technically they're supporting you because without them, you wouldn't be able to survive. Why does it only count as being "dependent" if you're dependent on someone other than your employer?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 04:00 PM
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I'd like to see how well economy would fare if suddenly women completely disappeared from those "unproductive" jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 03:00 PM
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By that definition, the only women who are "innocent" would be children.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/16 02:54 PM
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I think a much better invention would be some sort of hormonal shots that turn men homosexual. Imagine finally being able to "go your own way" without screaming in sexual frustration. Red Pillers could just fuck each other without having to agonise over how horrible and evil women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 02:52 PM
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Honestly, though, sex bots would be awesome for women. They would occupy Red Pillers so that real women won't have to deal with them. Red Pillers would be happy having "women" who they could finally exert 100% control and dominance over without any of the drawbacks or legal limitations, while real women would be happy to be free of Red Pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 02:48 PM
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In Japan it's not just men running away from women, it's also women running away from men, because in Japan marriage for women traditionally meant becoming nothing more than a maid, sex slave and a walking uterus. It's a shitty situation for both sexes, but of course Red Pill tries to portray men as the sole victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 02:43 PM
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I don't see how sex bots are any different from prostitutes or escorts in the aspect of meaning. In both cases, you buying validation, intimacy or sexual pleasure (or all of them) with money. The topic of prostitution has been discussed a lot on this sub. The usual answer is that it wouldn't help those "incels" or "forever" alones at all, because what they actually want is not the sex itself, but being desired. You can't be feel validated by a prostitute who's only having sex with you because yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 02:40 PM
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more unconditional love Just this very phrase shows you don't understand what "unconditional" mean. Love, or anything else, can't be "more unconditional" or "less unconditional". "Unconditional" means 0 conditions. You either have conditions or you don't. No human can love another person unconditionally in a romantic way. If you value looks - that's a condition. If you couldn't love your partner when she gold old, wrinkly and ugly - that's a condition. If you couldn't love your partner when she …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/16 02:27 PM
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I suppose we're seeing very different stories. You might be seeing "the best of Red Pill", I see "the real/average" Red Pill... which is not nearly as just, responsible and accountable as you'd like to believe. Call it "anger phase" or whatever, but the vast majority Red Pillers I've seen absolutely do put the blame on women for cheating, and also the blame on women for getting cheated on.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 06:00 PM
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Of course people love other people based on how they make them feel. Even in unhealthy or abuse relationships when you love a person who makes you feel worthless, scared, etc, there's still something else they make you feel that makes you love them (in a morbid way) - like feeling desired. It's just another attempt from Red Pill to portray men as superior to women by claiming that for men, love is somehow logical while for women it's emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/16 12:48 PM
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Agreed. That's why it's best that the woman give it up voluntarily. Then you should find one of those rare women who're perfectly fine with placing all control over their whole lives and relationship into the hands of her SO/husband, basically entering a strict dom/sub relationship. But what I meant is - if having control is so unnatural for women, why do most women still want it? Polite nagging is still nagging. So, do you differentiate at all between nagging and criticism or are they both exac…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 07:49 PM
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You don't necessarily lose shared friends or community. Not all people become arch-enemies with their ex-spouses, many stay friends and stay in the same social circle. Not being able to stand each other anymore isn't the only reason people get divorced. Sometimes things just don't work out for other reasons, even if both people still like each other (even if not romantically, then still like each other as people).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 07:40 PM
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Control is a masculine trait. If a woman takes control she is in a masculine polarity which means either the man goes into his feminine polarity or all sexual charge is lost. Yeah, this was the traditional view for thousands of years in Western societies. Men were supposed to be in control and women submissive. And every woman who had even a shred of brains was finding a way to have an amount of control over her husband and the marriage (a varying amount of control, some women wanted and were ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 12:37 PM
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I thought Red Pill believes only women want marriage while men just want to spread their seed to as many different women as possible, that's why "women are gatekeeper to sex, men are gatekeepers to commitment"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 07:06 PM
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Of course they want more money, but it's pretty hard to do when you have a lot of kids to take care of. In those places people still live in extended families. Grandparents and other relatives help take care of the small children while the parents work in the fields, factories or elsewhere. And older children are engaged in work too. Everyone who can work does work, whatever they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 06:56 PM
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No one can be bothered that women aren't encouraged to work outside the home when mom has 12 starving kids to take care of and daddy is literally risking his life and punishing his body every day to keep them alive. Funny because in those developing/underdeveloped countries, actually a higher percent of women is employed than in developed countries. And not in cushy jobs but in hard labour as well. In sub-Saharan Africa, for example, over 80% of agricultural work is done by women. In many placce…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 06:53 PM
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In the Western world: No. Outside the West: Yes, definitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 06:50 PM
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"Sexual attractiveness" and "other attractiveness" are not completely separate, they can affect each other. It's common in both men and women that they find someone they don't initially see as very attractive - not ugly, perhaps, but not highly attractive either - but once they get to know that person, he/she becomes much more attractive to them. It's not just the visual conours of someone's face and body, humans aren't frozen statues - they have facial expressions, they movie, they have posture…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 06:47 PM
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It's a problem is he complains about women having too high standards while he has just as high standards himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 06:42 PM
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and I thought TRP was about our evolutionary natures, not western culture. Most Red Pillers are only concerned with gender dynamics and culture in America, they know very little, if any, about how it works in other cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 06:37 PM
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Yes, I often see women getting bashed and scorned for it, it's definitely portrayed in a negative way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 06:26 PM
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Yes, age does that to people, to some more and to some less, but there's no sudden "wall" where you suddenly turn from fresh and young to old and wrinkled overnight. The closest thing that could be described as "wall" in women's biology is menopause. And it happens at ~50, not 29. And it's not a sudden process either - there's something called "perimenopause" when your periods start getting irregular and less frequent, but you still haven't completely lost your fertility yet, you're just on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 06:03 PM
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And yet when a man wants to "settle down" and suddenly start looking for a low "n count", faithful, conservative and submissive girl despite having been into completely opposite type of girls for casual sex, Red Pill doesn't see anything bad about it, but if women do it, it's a crime?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/16 05:56 PM
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If they don't want the draft the must give up the right to vote. They stole that right without earning it as the men did. Now remind me, which sex was forced throughout the whole human history to endure 9 months of huge physical strain, discomfort and limitations and go through hours or even days of agonising, life-threatening process that was number one leading cause of death for that sex? For the record, I think nobody should have to earn that right by risking their lives. I see it as a basic …
/r/MensRights14/05/16 02:15 AM
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Women were the one who had to risk their lives and bear all the pain and agony of giving birth, though. And it used to be number 1 cause of death for women, but they received no compensation for it, they couldn't even vote.
/r/MensRights14/05/16 01:31 AM
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For how many women, exactly? What percent? What demographic?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 09:12 PM
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Because sexual lust isn't a constant for us. Please speak for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 06:51 PM
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She's a woman, most people on this sub will disqualify her opinion for that alone. Didn't you know you weren't supposed to ask the fish/prey how to be fished/hunted? Ask the fisher/hunter! And everybody knows women lie about what they like, or don't even know what they like. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 06:47 PM
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For me at least. Which is what matters Yeah, I'm sure you have great success with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 06:01 PM
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it's an excuse to treat women like shit. Any self-respecting strip club wouldn't allow the clients to actually harass the workers, try to force them or otherwise "treat them like shit". You'd be thrown out of the place.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 05:58 PM
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One of the appeals of subbing is the relief of your partner taking control of you. The sub exchanges power to the dom and is given to freedom to truely loose themselves in the doms hands. Actually, in a healthy, consensual BDSM act, the sub should retain lots of control over it. They should be able to fully decide their boundaries and have the power to stop the act any time or change it if they don't like it, and control the intensity of it to make sure it matches their level of comfort and plea…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 05:53 PM
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According to Red Pill, your guy was a complete beta, or even omega (I've lost the track of RP terminology) and you should have been utterly turned-off by his lack of forced dominance and his care for your pleasure and well-being, and dumped him the morning after.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 05:49 PM
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You mean... you mean like, treating people as individuals and communicating with them to get to know their individual preferences? What kind of sorcery is this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 05:45 PM
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And for that matter, I don't think male sexuality or masculinity should be shamed. Labeling it as "disrespectful sex" or the like is really just an attempt to shame male sexuality. Dominance is not automatically disrespectful. Neither are those acts. I think what OP is asking is the motive behind those acts. Do you perform them simply because they feel good to you, as in, is your own pleasure the stimulus, or do you get a kick out of the "it degrades the woman" part? Do you want to see her in pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/16 05:37 PM
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You're assuming this is a formal, structured debate. It's not. It's an informal conversation among untrained non-experts in a small corner of the internet. Yes, of course it's not professional debate. This isn't even amateur debate like the one at my university was. This is an elementary school level slapfight with one side completely overwhelming the other in numbers. Maybe it's time it stopped pretending to be "debate", then.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 08:04 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 02:49 PM
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Have you heard about something called "confirmation bias"?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 02:42 PM
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No, it's an extremely common way to emphasize a point. Yes, it's extremely common because people very commonly suck at arguments, so they need cheap tricks like this one to make their point seem more impressive and believable than it actually is. Politicians use it all the time to make people follow them too. Protesters use it all the time because they have a limited space on their posters to convey the message, so they need something that sounds impressive and call out emotion to make people be…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 12:00 PM
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Dude, you're trying way too hard to sound very smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:52 AM
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It's the "I love to bash women" that ticked me off. Why would he "love to bash women" unless he hated or scorned them in some way that he doesn't do to men? It's the very message of that comment. "Huh, normally I love to drag women through the dirt but now I'm forced to admit they might not be that bad at least in this one regard." Red Pill is probably the only place you'd see something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:52 AM
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Where did you take that chart from? Even if it's legit, I'd say 40 is the cut-off age based on this, not 35. It barely rises by 1% from 35 to 40. Yes, it is a lot if you compare it to 15-35, but when you think of it, it's still really not a lot. It's after 40 that it becomes really steep, at 35 it only starts to get steeper. According to that chart, even at 15 you have a smaller chance of risk than at 20, so if you were looking purely at those numbers, you should try and get a 15 year old girl p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:31 PM
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By the age of 40, about one in 100 women are at risk of having an infant with Down Syndrome. Again, it's all about how you present the number. "1 in 100" looks a lot scarier, while "1%" doesn't. "99% women aged 40 won't have a child with Down syndrome" sounds like actually encouraging older women to have children, not alarming them. There's just something about the number "99%" that inspires trust. In real life, "100%" certainty is very uncommon, "99%" is much more common and is used in place of…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:20 PM
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Not relevant? One of the core tenets of Red Pill is how the man must earn more money otherwise his wife won't respect him or he won't feel happy and fulfilled. That study completely crashes that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:13 PM
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BP is just a minority though There's no "BP' in real life. It's just people who believe in gender equality and don't see women as inferior or horrible people. I don't know where you live, but where I live, thankfully, those people are the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:12 PM
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A really nice piece of purple-prose here. Sounds overly-emotional, though, you're trying very hard to elicit an emotional response from readers by using pathos. I though Red Pill should be all about hard logic and facts, but this is all fuzzy fluff.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:10 PM
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TRP exaggerates to make a point. Shocking. No one's ever done that before. Exaggeration is a cheap tactic when your arguments are too weak to impress people by themselves, so you go for grand semantics to make it sound more impressive. If you actually had "The Truth" on your side, you wouldn't need to constantly repeat how true you are and how everyone else is wrong. It's one of those cases where "A king who must say he is a king is no true king" rings very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 11:05 PM
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Ok, so all women have to do is make sure pregnancy and childbirth doesn't have any permanent effects on their bodies (they'd better hope a cure for stretch marks gets invented by the time they get pregnant, because so far there isn't one) and never catch any disease that might make them less attractive. Got it, sounds easy enough. I sure hope every single disease in the world becomes preventable soon. Also things you definitely can't control most of the time, like car accidents or natural disast…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 10:57 PM
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You can do your very best to take the best care of yourself but you'd still get old and not look as good as you did when young. Cellulite, varicose veins, stretch marks, sagging skin and boobs, thinning hair, wrinkles, melasma - they all happen with age to lots of women, and there's no way to stop them (except, in some cases, very expensive plastic surgeries). And, by the way, older women look younger when they have more fat on them, especially on the face. It's utterly ridiculous how many Red P…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 10:53 PM
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lock him down Making it sound like the woman literally has him chained up on the wall to keep him sure makes it seem like a nice and healthy relationship. Poor men, having to endure the horror of marriage just to get a free access to a wet hole. is unlikely to return that good treatment with infidelity and abandonment. So, basically, whenever a man cheats, it's actually a woman's fault. Why does this sound so familiar, I wonder...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 10:45 PM
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As much as I love to bash women, they shine equally as men in this regard. (Anecdotally). Must make you angry to have to acknowledge this. Maybe if you dug deeper, you would discover more such examples, and it would turn out women might not be so horrible and worthless people after all. If you want to maintain your Red Pill mindset, you better not dig deeper, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 10:39 PM
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Men think Yeah, and feeeeemales don't have brain, everybody knows that. But somehow they still manage to be excellent at manipulation while having an IQ of 5. /s Your only comments are on this sub, though. That's not going to convince me you're a great thinker. Have you created any philosophy theories lately? Wrote a book? Do you get quoted in essays? men invent What have you invented? men design Last time I checked, most designers are women. Interior designers, fashion designers, graphic design…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 10:33 PM
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Or it could be much less because those stats are in general, on average. There's individual testing a woman can go through to find her own individual chances of birth defects, and those could be much smaller. I've heard over 40 year old women find out they actually have only 1 in 1000 chance of Down's syndrome, for example. It's not nearly as clear-cut as you seem to believe. If you've read somewhere that an average height for women worldwide is 5'3, you wouldn't take it to believe that every wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 07:50 PM
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If I decided I really wanted kids I could head out next weekend and start the ball rolling. You really think you could just head out to a club or bar next weekend and pick up a new wife just like that? Marry her in a fortnight? I'd advise a lot longer dating time if you're actually planning a family. At least 2 years before actually getting married. And then children wouldn't necessarily happen instantly either. Even for very young women it can sometimes take several years to have children. So y…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 06:05 PM
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For a 45 year old women, the risk of chromosomal defects alone is more than 4% higher. So, in other words, it's still 96% chance of having a healthy child? Seems like pretty good odds to me. Why is everybody acting like a 45 woman is virtually doomed to have an autistic or Down syndrome child when actually it's a very small possibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 05:31 PM
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The effects are nowhere near well research as for women, because for a long time scientists (mostly men) assumed that just because men don't experience menopause, it must mean testicles are somehow exceptional among all the other organs and magically immune to the degeneration that comes with ageing. Birth defects for women have been very exaggerated, though. Sure, it might be hundreds of times higher, but even then it's still only about 2,5% chance. On average. You can get tested to see your ow…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 04:37 PM
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It's not about how young you look, it's about how old you are. Just because you technically could have children that old, doesn't mean you should. You're 49 now, if you wanted to get on with creating a family, it would still be a few years until you met someone, started dating, got married and then had children. You'd be around 55 then. How long would you actually be able to be there for your children? You'd be an old man by the time they're 20 and likely won't be alive anymore when they're in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 04:33 PM
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Post a "looking for sex" thread pretending to be her (can't actually be her since she will be well known and the experiment will be ruined, but someone that would be on her "level") on Reddit or Craigslist and see what happens. I have tried similar experiments in the past, you would be very surprised. That's not proof. Chatting with someone online and claiming you want to have sex with them doesn't mean you would actually have sex with them. It's easier to appear more attractive in pictures than…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 04:19 PM
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You are underestimating how desperate some men get for sex. So desperate that even a few self-styled "incels" on this thread who supposedly can't get sex anywhere at all said they wouldn't have sex with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 04:13 PM
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A few did answer that, no, they wouldn't. I don't know why I expected anything else, but I suppose by this point I've read too much "male incels have it so bad they'd literally fuck anyone, ANYONE that offered." Of course claiming you'd do something and actually following through with it is not the same thing, though. But from now on every time I see that "incels have absolutely 0 standards, they'd fuck anyone if they were able to", I'll link to this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 04:11 PM
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Yeah, that's called misogyny. Congratulations on at least having the balls to openly admit it, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 02:52 PM
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Because I've seen it way too many times that women should feel insanely happy and grateful for being able to do what most men (aka, most Red Pillers) would love to be able to do - get laid with a different desperate drunk person every night in a club or party. Doesn't matter how attractive that person is (or not), doesn't even matter whether or not women actually get any pleasure out of it, they should still count it as a massive privilege to be able to do that, so how dare they ever complain or…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 09:25 AM
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Most women don't see getting laid in a shitty club with a drunk desperate guy as an ultimate goal of their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 08:54 AM
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"But we definitely don't hate women or see them as inferior to men!"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 08:49 AM
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I've never heard any guy say that a fat woman didn't deserve to live. You must not have spent much time on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 02:41 PM
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And there are men who cruelly beat, rape or kill completely innocent women who've done nothing wrong to them. Millions of women worldwide are getting raped, beaten and killed everyday. Just like millions of men are getting raped, beaten and killed everyday (mostly by other men, though, not by women). Being an asshole isn't gendered. Every person has one, every person can be one. But Red Pillers are obsessed with wanting to portray men as saints while portraying women as Hitler. If you want to do…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 02:37 PM
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It's too big for the vast majority of women. Most women's vagina is only 4-5 inches deep. If you get an ego boost from seeing a woman's face contort in pain trying to accommodate it, that's fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 07:08 PM
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It sure is fun to pull random number from your ass and pretend they're hard facts. There's just something about adding a % sign to the number that instantly makes it look very scientific and true. I hereby proclaim that 83% of Red Pillers have mommy issues. I have no source for this claim but, hey, I just said it and it's based on my own careful long-term personal observations, so it must be true, and you can't argue against it because I never said I was a scientist so you can't use my lack of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 04:58 PM
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Yeah, sure, 8 inch dick is ideal for women anatomically, all women are secretly dreaming of it. /r/badwomensanatomy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 04:51 PM
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I've seen many stories of MRP where the man deems it successful because the wife has been giving him frequent blowjobs, yet also mentions (usually somewhere closer to the middle as if it's just a minor detail) how she's been crying herself to sleep for the past few days or completely lost her confidence and cowers before him. If that's Red Pill's idea of successful marriage, then yeah, I guess it really works.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 07:10 PM
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By the time he gets to MRP, he has tried the mainstream options already, be it doubling down on choreplay and kindness, or actual marriage counseling. I've never seen any MRP mention they've tried marriage counseling, usually they look down of any honest communication between spouses and prefer "dreading".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 07:07 PM
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... you're seriously citing Bible as an evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 07:04 PM
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The popular trope in romance aimed at women is that the bad guy becomes a good guy just for them. It's "Oooh, he looks like a bad guy but I think deep inside he's just hurt and needs somebody to love him, I'll give him that love and he will become very kind and loving to me too." In that trope, women are not attracted to bad guys, they're attracted to hot, brooding, mysterious men who look like they have something more to them than they let on - specifically, that they're good guys under the bad…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 06:59 PM
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Throughout history women have been kept out of the working world. Rich, noble or upper-class women were. The vast majority of women were working their asses off in the fields, running trades or helping their husbands run them, being servants or nannies, or, since Industrial revolution, working in mines or factories. Also the midwives were always women, many of healers/herbalists were women before they were replaced by doctors. Most governesses (private childrens' tutors) were women too. Speaking…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 06:37 PM
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Yes, plenty of women react negatively. And plenty react positively. Plenty of women faithfully see their men through hard times and help them out. Plenty of men leave women in sickness. Men and women are HUMANS. Humans can be both good and evil. I'm sick of trying to defend a whole 50% of human population being accused of being evil simply due to the misfortune of having a vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 07:11 PM
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the same women who press men to show vulnerability react negatively when the men in question actually do so. No. usually it's not the same women. You're confusing it with the situation where "showing vulnerability" becomes "massive incurable insecurity breakdown". A lot of women don't know how to deal with that. A lot of men don't know how to deal with that either when it happens to women. But if you have severe psychological issues, it's only expected that your partner would have a hard time de…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 10:58 PM
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Good look trying to find "plates" who would agree with it. Some polyamorous couples do that, but the difference is that there's still commitment on both partners' part, even if one of them has sex with others while the other one doesn't, both are equally committed to each other in other ways. Though more often such a request is seen as a major red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 10:06 PM
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No, in my mind there are two types of emotion handling - healthy and unhealthy. Healthy way is anything that's not destructive towards yourself or other people in the long run, and something that helps you to function normally in life and be in a healthy mental and physical state (healthy mental state - no depression, anxiety, constant extreme stress or anger). Crying isn't the only healthy way to handle your emotions (and it's not always good in every situation - crying is definitely healthy ph…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 10:01 PM
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Np, I think it pushes men and women about the same, it's just that the definition for success is not the same for men and women. For men, it's "have a good job, earn a lot of money". For women, it's "don't be a loser housewife, have a good career, but also get married, have children and be a good mother".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 04:27 PM
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Alright then, I guess a man who falls into a pit of alcoholism or drug abuse or shoots up a school is performing a healthy male masculinity. Never show emotions, eh? Guess men are also naturally incapable of love, awe, caring, joy and excitement, only anger and horniness. No man has ever written a love story either. I suppose men hate dogs and other pets too or at least would never want to own them, they're just not nurturing in any way at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/16 12:08 AM
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You mean, except me and all the women I know? Wow, I never realised me and all the women I know were literally special snowflakes in the world. Maybe cultural differences are at hand here too... I'm not American, in my country feminism barely exists at all. We don't have gender quotas or all those campaigns to get more women into STEM. Mostly because there already are enough women in STEM, in math and life sciences there's usually more women than men. Yet it makes me wonder, why are Americans ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 10:18 PM
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Having a full range of emotions and being able to identify them and deal with them in healthy, non-destructive ways isn't being a woman, it's being a human.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 09:59 PM
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... wait, society is not supposed to push women to succeed? Somebody should have told my parents when they got displeased any time I got sometng lower than a 9 at school (my country's equivalent of B+ in our educational system). Or my female friends when we were competing who got a higher grade. Or our teachers who constantly pushed us to work harder and achieve more. Neither of us got the memo, how can that be?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 09:52 PM
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Both extremes are bad, IMO. Hyper-criticism is just as bad as absolutely zero criticism, just in a different way. All people make mistakes and have room for improvement, no person or relationship is absolutely 100% perfect and flawless. If you feel there's something bad in relationship or your partner is doing something wrong but you never say it, on the outside relationship might seem good, but only because the bad things never come out in the open. In the end it doesn't wrong, just that the re…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 07:07 PM
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Is it worth a fight? Is it worth damaging our intimacy? It doesn't have to be a fight, just criticism or advice. If any sort of criticism is enough to "damage intimacy" in relationship, it's not a good relationship. Criticism is vital to improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 06:58 PM
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Do you actually know even one person who's never made a bad decision in their whole life?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 06:55 PM
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So, what do you actually tell your friends? I have a very hard time believing that you tell your female friends how women are incapable of love, honour, honestly, loyalty and are dumber than men in most regards and should submit to men in everything, and they just take it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 06:51 PM
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Maybe you tone it down a lot when you talk to them about it? I wasn't appalled when I heard about Red Pill the first time from someone relatively non-radical. And then I took a look at /r/TheRedPill.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 11:57 AM
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Neither of them sound attractive to me, but if I was forced to choose one, I'd choose the beta. At least he would actually care about me and wouldn't drag me down into the pit of crime with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 02:45 PM
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Exactly. Women don't have sex with men for their penises. There's a whole huge industry dedicated to imitating the logistical aspect of sex for women. Dildos and vibrators are better than real penises in almost every conceivable way. They can vibrate, you can choose any size or shape you want and have full control over the motion, it's right there for you any time you want. Yet women still want to have sex. Why? For the man aspect of it. Like, the rest of what's attached to the penis. The feelin…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:08 PM
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So... straight men could actually get laid for free with other men, it's just that they wouldn't enjoy it, so they don't want to do it. It's almost like sex only has value if you're able to enjoy it at least a bit, so it doesn't matter whether or not you can get sex, but whether you can get sex that you like. Mindblown. How is this different from women not wanting to have shitty sex with men that they wouldn't enjoy?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:59 PM
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Or doesn't even want you at all, just literally uses you as a wet hole. And women are supposed to feel overjoyed and grateful when a man figuratively puts a bag on their head and gives them a 10 second clinical pounding?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:56 PM
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I've actually seen some Red Pillers claim sex with ugly women or bad doesn't count. As in, if you lowered your standards a lot and had shitty sex, you're still an incel. Unbelievable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 12:54 PM
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Yeah, it's not like usually people whose pictures appear on the internet most are famous or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 02:21 PM
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The vast majority of men want casual sex and FWBs. Ok, let's try and find something to support your statement, shall we? http://www.businessinsider.com/casual-sex-is-more-popular-than-ever-in-the-us-2014-12?IR=T In one of the most extensive scientific reviews on the characteristics and determinants of so-called “hookup culture” (uncommitted sexual encounters), the Kinsey Institute’s Justin García cites a survey of 500 college students in which 65 percent of women and 45 percent of men confessed …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 04:52 PM
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Ok then, by that logic, I should be looked down on for being able to reach high shelves because I'm tall, or shamed for being able to speak Lithuanian easily because it's my native tongue? Should we shame people whenever they find something easy to do for whatever reason? No, that's not how it fucking works. Traditionally women who had sex outside marriage, or later outside relationship, or even simply enjoyed sex too much or were proactive about it were shamed because it was thought women were …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 02:32 PM
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Well, that's your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 01:23 PM
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Well, to each their own. But when I think of it, it really does make sense to me. What do I want in life? I want human companionship and love. Why? Because it's a good feeling to spend time with your loved ones and be loved. I want to fulfil myself through hobbies and interests. Why? Because it feels good. Exciting, interesting, funny - those are all good feelings I get from my interests that ultimately make me happy. I want to earn enough money because that's how I get a roof under my head, foo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 01:22 PM
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I've been to several developing countries and looked at how the local people lived there. They were not privileged in what our culture constitutes to be privilege at all. They did hard physical labour every day, in some places like rural Morocco the women have to go for literally miles every morning in order to get water and carry it back to the village or camp. They're often short on food, they suffer from natural disasters, etc. Yet they seem happy. They find smiles and laughter at small thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 12:24 PM
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To which my angel's advocate response would be I think any other goal you could think of still ultimately leads to happiness. You want everything that you want because it would make you happier, or because not having it makes you feel bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 12:18 PM
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We in Europe are significantly more leftist and feminist than the USA Leftist - maybe, feminist - absolutely not. Aside from Scandinavia and some Western European countries, in most of Europe feminist isn't popular at all. I'm from an Eastern European country, feminism is definitely not a thing there, except with some very niche demographic of young university students, but it's definitely a minority. Yet, funny enough, my country, while more traditional in some aspects, is actually a lot more g…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/16 12:02 PM
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I believe that at least 60% of men are interested in hook-ups Do 60% of men regularly go clubbing or partying - the places where you're most likely to find casual sex? Or do part of those 60% use Tinder, probably the second most common way of getting casual sex? Tinder is extremely popular, according to Wikipedia, in 2015 50 billion people worldwide were using it (not clear how many of them are men, but let's but let's say about 2/3), but there are 3,5 billion men on the planet, and Tinder userb…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 08:06 PM
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They're not rating those men themselves, they're rating their pictures - non-live, unmoving 2D reflections of the person. I've been to OK Cupid before. You wouldn't believe how few men have even half-decent photos where you can at least see their face clearly. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out those 80% of men had utterly shitty pictures, that would be my estimation as well. Women are more socialised to appear attractive, maybe that's why more women learn how to take good pictures of them…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 02:52 PM
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Casual sex and one night stands gather around a small portion of men. Or could it be because there aren't actually that many men interested in random one night stands? My view is that TRP greatly exaggerates the number of men who spend all their free evenings hanging around in bars and clubs trying to woo stranger women into bed. Even one of the most fundamental core beliefs of TRP "women are gatekeepers of sex, men are gatekepers to commitment" and all the theories that revolve around this basi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 02:44 PM
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in my experience Yeah, the problem is that this bit is too often omitted.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 02:30 PM
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In real, actual debate, the participants don't just throw their personal anecdotes and call it a day, they use actual facts and statistics. In real debate you also have an equal number of participants on each side and they take turns to speak, don't use insults or overly-emotional language. Just because this sub has "debate" in its name, doesn't mean it's real debate. It's just one of the most pretentiously-named subs on Reddit. There's no debate here, just anecdote slapfights. An average thread…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 02:26 PM
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Men are almost all the geniuses and all the retards. Women are all average. ... no, that's not how it works at all. Most people are average, both men and women. That's why it's called average.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 01:32 PM
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... do you know what "lonely" means? It means not being able to emotionally connect to somebody on a more intimate level. You can spend the whole day talking to people non-stop and still not connect to any of them. It's an internal thing - if you lack social skills or have some inner issues trusting people, like if you had a bad childhood, some mental problems, or simply just feel different from most people and unable to mingle with them, etc. These days when people live in cities with tons of o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 01:15 PM
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OP is talking about being lonely. You're talking about getting laid. Those are two completely different things. You could be fucking 10 dudes every week but not have a single person who actually cares about you and wants to spend time with you and form an intimate bond, whether romantic or just friendly one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 03:34 AM
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Being shy and awkward are traits considered cute in women by many many men. Only if the girl is attractive and her "shyness" is just being quiet and soft-spoken, not being downright insecure and lacking social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 03:33 AM
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This is mostly an American phenomenon... obviously, since only USA has such huge obesity rates and enough feminism for this idea to be accepted and spread. I'm from an Eastern European country and only heard about this HAES/fat acceptance thing on places like Reddit and Tumblr.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 03:25 AM
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You can still both have equal voice in the relationship, just talk things through like adults and reach a mutual decision, either by convincing the other partner/being convinced by them, or reaching compromise. Yes, it won't be 50/50, and nobody's expecting that, but it's not the point. The point is that if two people have equal say in decisions, you can actually make better decisions by putting together both of your experience, knowledge and intellect. When only one person monopolises all the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/16 03:54 PM
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Being penetrated is synonymous with losing. When the food is penetrating my mouth when I'm eating, am I "losing" to the food? When my foot is being penetrated by the sock when I'm dressing myself, am I "losing" to the sock? Don't know about you but I certainly don't feel submissive while doing those actions, because I choose to do them and have full control over them. If I'm having consensual sex full in agreement with my own wants and desires, I'm not "losing" anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 02:37 AM
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Yeah, the only people constantly going on about how women don't care much for sex are... surprise, surprise - men who're not very desirable for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 02:33 AM
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You know that women can only get pregnant about 4-6 days per cycle, right? (The day of ovulation and 3-5 days the sperm can survive in the vagina before ovulation)? Besides, only PIV sex leads to pregnancy in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/16 02:28 AM
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That's because you're in the club - a place where people come to get blackout drunk, crowd together and do repetitive movements in loud easily digestible and predictable music. It's not exactly a place where people come to showcase their intelligence and profound personality. It's a place where people come for brainless easily digestible entertainment and shallow hookups based purely on looks or "coolness". Not that there's anything wrong with that, and it doesn't mean all people who go to clubs…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 11:48 AM
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You mean, this whole sub? Heck, the whole of Reddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 12:12 AM
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I'm 5'6, have lived in three European countries at some point in my life. I've never, ever, seen a man who was shorter than me, unless it was a ~14 year old boy (so, not a man technically) or some ~90 year old hunched grandpa (who likely wouldn't be able to get it up even if we did consider each other for sex). What the fuck do you want from me? Why should I somehow feel ashamed for not dating shorter men if I don't ever even see them? Why do so many Red Pillers assume that the world is full of …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 12:11 AM
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Yeah, what a hypergamous slut. She should have tried her best to find a 5 feet or shorter man. Doesn't matter that maybe only 1-5% of men in the world are so short, that doesn't mean she should have dared to date a guy who was whole 4 inches taller than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/16 12:05 AM
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Its not sex if the woman is not attracted to the guy. Its a human version of a fleshlight. Red Pillers go on and on about how good women have it for being able to get sex whenever they want, however much they want. When pointed out that having a "meh, that'll do" sex with a guy who only wants a wet hole and any whole would do for him, they say it doesn't matter because even bad sex is still sex and better than no sex, so even if the man doesn't find the woman attractive, if he deigns to fuck her…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/16 01:06 AM
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If paid sex doesn't count to you, then it's not sex you're seeking, it's validation. Which is not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 10:51 PM
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The alpha female in a group of wolves or lions is the most attractive, not the Strongest In lion packs, the females provide most of of the food, they absolutely do have to be strong and fast in order to do it effectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/16 10:43 PM
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Because that's asking them to change their sexual orientation Sexual orientation literally means being attracted to a certain sex. It would be asking men to have sex with people they're absolutely not attracted to and would find no pleasure in such a sex. But you don't have to enjoy sex in order to have it. So, can you see the point here? There's no point in having sex if you don't enjoy it. Red Pillers accuse women of having it so good because they can apparently get sex whenever they want, wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/16 07:59 PM
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If any sex at all is better than no sex, why aren't all those "incels" having sex with men? Seriously, it would seem like a perfect solution to all this whining how hard it is for men to get sex and how they'd accept any sex at all. Why is nobody suggesting it? You might even manage to orgasm too, just close your eyes and imagine your dick is in a woman's ass, not man's (tell your partner to be completely quiet, or maybe use some earplugs).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/16 07:46 PM
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I've never heard a man say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/16 06:58 PM
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Yeah, it's also about the experience itself. If the sex experience would be more pleasant to you than masturbating while you would achieve orgasm in both, you'd choose sex. That's my point, it's easier for men than women to have a good casual sex experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/16 12:23 PM
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If they're craving sex so bad at that moment, they'd get much more pleasure by taking care of themselves with a variety of sex toys and some erotica or porn that's actually aimed at getting women off, than by going to a bar or club to find a random guy who probably won't give a single shit about her pleasure, or at least won't make enough effort, while risking their safety in the process. Why do you think sex toys and erotica has such a big market for women? So that they can have control over th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 08:17 PM
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"Here, let me make sweeping statement about 3,5 billion people with absolute certainty and claim then to be Universal Truth based on nothing more than my own personal opinion." Yep, that's Red Pill alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 03:52 PM
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... do you know what "science" is?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 01:27 PM
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"Women who are unsuccessful with men can go screw themselves, it's all their fault and they have it good anyway. BUT WHY ISN'T THE WORLD SHOWERING MEEE WITH EMPATHY???"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 04:38 AM
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And when have Red Pillers ever given empathy to older or unattractive women? Never seen such a case, quite the opposite actually, all I've seen is "it's their fault, they should have snagged a man while they were still young/they should take better care of themselves/lower their standards". Yet when Blue Pillers tell the same things to those self-styled "incels", suddenly they're evil. Red Pill's got to be the most wretched case of special snowflaking, attention seeking and hypocrisy I've ever s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 02:49 AM
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Lithuania, Denmark and UK. Admittedly, UK is more of a grey area, you might get approached in those places, but it's still not the norm. In the previous two countries it's definitely not considered normal. I can't imagine a case of getting approached by a stranger in a restaurant, people usually go there with other people. Nor in book store. Park might be a bit more likely, but even then, in those countries people are known to be generally reserved, unlike in USA where they're a lot more extrove…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 02:44 AM
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Have you conducted a survey on the whole 3,5 billion women in the world, asking them how many times they've ben rejected, if at all, or when was the last time they were asked out, and then rating their attractiveness level? I'd be interested to see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 02:39 AM
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1) Approach as many women as you can to maximize the chances of hearing a woman say yes. Approach even the women you are not attracted to. So, you just approach random stranger women and ask for a date, just like that? Without forming any sort of connection before, not necessarily become friends but, you know... talk to them at least a few times, see if there's a mutual spark, develop that connection, go to some mutual event or meet up as aqcuaintances or friends first... you know, just let thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 02:34 AM
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So, you're not picky because you're not attracted to women who don't take care of themselves, are not healthy and don't resemble myself. But women who aren't attracted to men who don't take care of themselves, are not healthy and don't resemble them are picky?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 02:22 AM
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True, but there are much, much less unattractive women than there are unattractive men. I'm really curious what science you're basing this on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 02:18 AM
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How convenient. In that case, men have it good too, because unattractive men just don't count, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 02:17 AM
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You can if you start out as friends and then just move into the romantic territory. You just meet as friends and then at some point if you both like each other, you're going to kiss or have sex, or first admit your feelings, and then you're in relationship. This whole dating thing is an American invention, in other countries it's not the default way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 02:15 AM
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Why else do couples almost always consist of two people of similar attractiveness? Because people tend to like people who are similar to them? Is there "friendship market" too, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 02:12 AM
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A good thing about being on Blue Pill side is that it takes so little effort to mock Red Pill. The satire literally writes itself. You could slap this comment right on /r/TheBluePill and it would outshine most of the invented satire there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 02:10 AM
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RP is afraid (or in denial) of the fluidity and complexity of human attraction and relationships and slapping on a label is a nice way to comfort yourself. Probably the most accurate way I've ever seen Red Pill being described.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 02:04 AM
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A six-figure salary and a nice car aren't going to make an attractive man want to sleep with a 300-pound woman with a beard. It just ain't happening. Sugar mamas is a thing. This means it is happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 01:58 AM
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I'm European and have lived in three different European countries. In none of them is cold approach common or even considered acceptable. In places like bars or clubs, sure, but not elsewhere. Talking with random strangers is considered weird there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 01:46 AM
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If you fuck someone who doesn't really want it the repercussions are a bit harsher both for the unwilling customer and the salesperson. Even if there weren't no repercussions... Selling something is the ultimate goal, it doesn't have to be a pleasant experience for anybody , as long as you sell it, you're good. But why would you have sex with somebody you knew didn't actually want to have sex with you and only did because they unwittingly fell for the manipulation/pressure?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 01:40 AM
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Well, honestly though, 50kg is a lot. I'm a woman, 167cm, 2 years ago when I weighed 54kg, I considered it an ideal weight. Now I weigh 56kg, which is still considered perfectly normal weight, only 20.8 BMI but I can already see it on my body. My body shape is just quite unforgiving for any extra fat, it all goes to my stomach and thighs and my things look sort of sturdy. I can't imagine how I'd look like if I weighed 106kg. That would be BMI 38. For comparison, you're medically considered overw…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 01:36 AM
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Wanting a guy to dom you in the bedroom isn't a fetish for a woman. It's biology. Yeah, that's why 100% of women do hardcore BDSM. Oh wait, they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 01:19 AM
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You mean, men have an easier time orgasming so they don't need to have such high standards in order to get pleasure from sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 01:18 AM
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A French study that uses BMI as the control, allowing for attractive athletic men to fit into the group. You'd have to pack a ton of muscle in order to have a too high BMI without being fat. And body building is not nearly as popular in France as it is in USA. In USA it seems like every third guy lifts in the gym, in most of Europe it's a niche hobby.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/16 01:14 AM
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Well, you can't leave during rape. That's what makes it rape in the first place, you know. And millions of women (and men) are abused into staying.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 03:18 PM
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That's not how abusive relationships work.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 10:04 AM
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Sometimes science just hasn't caught up with what everyone can clearly observe. By "everyone", you mean you and your Red Pill buddies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/16 10:03 AM
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If you see women so lowly, then don't be friends with them, simple as that. I don't try to befriend people I don't like. If you happen to dislike 50% of the human population based on their chromosomes, then don't befriend this half of the human population, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 10:13 PM
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and have facts to support those positions. I can't remember the last time I've asked a Red Piller to prove his position and he linked a scientific study or statistics, rather than his personal anecdote. They seem to have invented their own definition of what "fact" is: "something that sounds right to me".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 10:04 PM
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If "being men" means being an autonomous individual human being who has personal goals, character strength and has responsibility and control over their own life", then yes, most women think they need to be men. And if this is "being a man", then yes, I want to be a man. Fortunately, it doesn't. To me, femininity has nothing to do with relinquishing control over my own life and placing it in the hands of someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 09:59 PM
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Once you break through LMR, she DOES want it. More like, she sees that she has no choice because you're not letting her refuse, so she gives up because she's afraid it'll get worse if she resists further. Because I want sex when I want it, not when she's 'ready'. In short, you don't give a shit if a woman enjoys sex with you, she might be suffering as long as you're getting your dick wet. What a catch.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 09:51 PM
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what the fuck is wrong with waiting until he really wants to buy your stupid hand cream? If nobody willingly buys your hand cream unless they're somehow coerced or pressured into buying it, then either your hand cream sucks or you need better marketing strategy. So, either you're not not that desirable or you need to work on presenting yourself better. People willingly pay good money for the brands they really admire and trust, or those brands manage to present themselves in a very attractive wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 09:48 PM
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We would call it manipulation, pressuring or coercion, though. I never understand why coercing/manipulating/pressuring a woman into sex sounds like an awesome way to get sex for many Red Pillers. I can only imagine they'd never seen a woman genuinely want to have sex with great enthusiasm, so they think somehow coercing her is the only way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 09:43 PM
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I don't care about this opinion, you can have it if you want. You should just not try to pass it as a universal scientific fact, because it's not. If I had a penny for every time a Red Piller thought his personal anecdote was "the Ultimate Truth", though, I could buy a mansion. For a group so keen on being "logical" and "rational", you'd think they could at least be able to tell the difference between anecdote and science.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 10:10 AM
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Men's emotions are more stable, and women are more likely to define their feelings based on how they feel now without exercising as much foresight. Source, please? If you're so sure this is true for the vast majority of men and women and that's "just the way it is", you should easily be able to find tons of solid science for it. I have seen too many men dedicate themselves to one woman, only to have her bite him in the ass later on because she didn't feel the same anymore. And I have had too man…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 03:03 AM
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And yet I don't hear the same being said for men...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/16 02:07 AM
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no he's 100% responsible for his actions. i'm saying that it's on her for [...] driving him into another woman's arms. ... ... ...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 10:54 PM
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Always the women's fault, eh? Men are always super 100% moral and can never do wrong, but when they do, it's women's fault. But, no, it's women who don't take accountability for their own actions. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 09:05 PM
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The same could be said for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 07:56 PM
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Of course it's based on his personal experience. Have you ever seen solid scientific proof only men are capable of love while women are not? Oh, wait, there's actually plenty of science but feminist conspiracy is hiding it /s
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 07:55 PM
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I wonder why men chasing 18 year old "HB10s in their youth and then settling down with a less attractive woman is considered perfectly fine, but a woman chasing attractive "alphas" in her youth and settling down with a less attractive man is considered a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 07:53 PM
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he's not gonna dump a woman with a 20 year stellar track record just because she's older now Except this is exactly what many men do. Not literally in that sense, but middl-aged men cheating on their wives of sam age with younger women is extremely common. They can still love them as people but not be sexually attracted to them anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 07:51 PM
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I'd offer a correction - totally negate the possibility of monogamy for men. Most of their "biotruths" seem to be centered around the idea that women want monogamy (with some alpha cheating on the side, but still mostly monogamy) while men only want to have casual sex with as many women as possible but also want to know who their child is, so women can coerce men into monogamy by offering them fidelity (or just by offering sex for men who have difficulty getting casual sex), and men likewise coe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/16 07:47 PM
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She's into. She's not. That's the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 12:29 AM
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Rape exists, but most people aren't rapists. And most prostitutes probably don't enjoy the sex they're having for women. The average client is probably not a young handsome model.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 12:27 AM
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A woman can still want to keep a man but also genuinely want to have sex with him, not just pretend to out of fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 12:25 AM
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If women in the past never had the opportunity to be sexually aroused by men, they wouldn't have evolved to be able to become sexually aroused in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 12:21 AM
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That's pretty much it. Just because you want to dominate people, doesn't necessarily mean people want to be dominated by you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/16 12:08 AM
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So, you only like children?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/16 06:21 PM
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Funny how, a while ago, there was a link to OK Cupid survey on this sub (no, not that one, another one), it was asking women whether they wanted to be dominated or in egalitarian relationship with men. The results were that most younger women wanted to be dominated in bed while older women tended to switch or were more likely to assume dominant role themselves, but most women regardless of age didn't want to be dominated by men in life, they wanted an equal relationship. Guess what the reaction …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 09:50 AM
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Then why don't Red Pillers just say that - that they don't give a fuck whether they're misogynists or not? I've seen some openly admit this or question why is hating women even bad in the first place, but most seem dead-bent on proving they're not misogynists, even when the evidence is overwhelmingly against them or, in Red Pill terms, their actions don't match their words. This is what annoys most of us the most, I think - not the actual misogyny on Red Pill but how many people there are fallin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 11:27 PM
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Is there really anything to elaborate? Consider the difference between the following: "Um, look, I don't mean to offend you but I just want you to know, you've been gaining weight recently, I'm concerned about your health, is everything alright?" "Hey, you fat fuck, OMG you're so ugly, look how fat you are, you should go and kill yourself you ugly pig!!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 10:49 PM
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The thing is, you can never know which "reality" is the most common one. Red Pillers just assume that theirs is the most common one just because they personally know a few people with similar experiences to theirs, but they're deaf to all the Blue Pillers or other people telling them their opposite experiences. And, I mean, just think about it. There are over 7 billion people in the world. The number of all the people whose experiences you've ever heard would only make like 0,000000000001% of al…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 10:46 PM
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In other words: people find it harder to be polite or nice when they're feeling hurt and angry. What a shocker, never would have guessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:53 PM
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Well, maybe women who don't get hordes of male attention and can't get laid at the snap of their fingers are also tired of constantly being told they don't exist or being chased out of the room with pitchforks the second they mention this. Now you would just make it worse for them. "OMG even if you're not lying and you actually have a hard time getting laid, who cares, I still have it worse than you so GET OUT!!!" I agree there's a lot of "incel" shaming online (I'm willing to bet there would be…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:48 PM
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Men prefer attractive women, simple as that. Just like women prefer attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:40 PM
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By the same logic, then you should also say if men wanted more easily available sex, why don't they just have sex with other men?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:38 PM
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The ease of getting sex is not the only measure of quality of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:36 PM
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This doesn't prove that only 40% of men ever had sex. It proves only 40% of men ever got a woman pregnant. Completely different thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:32 PM
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Any man who lowers his standards to nothing will eventually get laid That's not what I've heard most Red Pillers say.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:28 PM
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Not praised, but not shamed either. Have you ever seen a tall person being shamed for being able to reach a higher shelf? A Japanese person being shamed for being fluent in Japanese? People aren't shamed for finding it easy to do something, unless that something is thought of as bad to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:26 PM
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And what Red Pillers don't seem to understand is that there's no such thing as reality. What you think of "reality" is just a sum of your own life experiences and accumulated knowledge and your belief system formed as a response to them. No two people see the world in exactly the same way. Basically, most of what every person thinks is true about life is just one huge ball of confirmation bias. But "confirmation bias" doesn't exist in Red Pill vocabulary. They think the "reality" they see is the…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:23 PM
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Those are women getting attention despite their behavior, not because of it. I promise you the majority of men, if they could have the exact woman either as a stripper, or not as a stripper, they would choose the latter. That's your opinion, not a scientific fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:18 PM
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So apparently self-reported surveys are only right when they say something you want to hear. Nobody had a problem with the self-reported survey that said women with high count were more likely to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:16 PM
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You mean, all the very attractive women... guess those women are the only ones who count as "women" to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:15 PM
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Nice strawman argument. Totally convincing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:04 PM
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Honesty =/= shaming. You can tell someone they're fat in a tactful and polite way without actually bullying them about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:01 PM
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Misinterpretation and ignorance of hunter-gatherers on this thread level: over 9000
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:58 PM
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Yeah, women were just powerless dolls back then sitting around when men invented something /s sure
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:57 PM
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... you took an anthropology class yet you still believe in the ridiculous myth that humans only lived until 30 back then? Must have been a very shitty anthropology class. I took a class last year. We were taught about the various multiple types of societies and the different social arrangements and customs they had, and some myths like "women stayed at home while only men provided food" or "they lived miserable lives and died at 30" were dispelled. Nobody said they were like Avatar either.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:53 PM
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Ah, the joy of trying to discuss this with people who think "hunter-gatherer" means "bunch of tribal people who lived somewhere in the past". Happens on Reddit every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:49 PM
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Pre-agricultural societies didn't have much warfare.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:47 PM
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Even if that was true (got any source?), This wouldn't mean only 40% of men had sex. This would mean only 40% got women pregnant. You know that sex doesn't result in pregnancy every time, right? Maybe it would still be true if all humans were strictly monogamous throughout all history.. but that has pretty much been disproven. Also, read up on "sperm wars" theory. A woman could be having sex left and right with every man in the tribe, wouldn't mean she'd have babies with all of them, only the on…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:46 PM
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I'm angry because discussions on this sub go basically like this: Terper: "I believe women are like x. Here's a couple of anecdotes from my personal life as a proof." Other person: "No, women aren't like this/men can also be like this. Here's a couple of anecdotes to prove I'm right." Or, even worse, not even anecdotes, just stating something as if it was such an obvious natural fact it didn't need any justification. How the hell can people call this sub a debate sub? It's not a debate, it's a k…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:40 PM
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If a man is very sexist or misogynist, he won't be able to hide it. Maybe for a while, but not for long. He doesn't have to start a discussion about his beliefs, it's the small things: how he talks to women, his behaviour around them, decisions he makes, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:32 PM
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Black pill? Have I missed something? How many pill do we have now? Might be time to make a trail mix, maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:25 PM
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He seems to be really concerned about power which seems kind of unhealthy. That's Red Pill for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:18 PM
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Red Pillers believe men grudgingly agree to marry women against their will as a way to get sex, and women grudgingly "give away" their vaginas in order to keep the man tied to them. Obviously men don't want commitment and women don't want sex, they're just bargaining those away in order to lock each other into a power exchange contract /s
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:17 PM
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Persuasion is not the same as manipulation. Manipulation implies deceiving the person in some way, getting them do something they don't actually want to do without them knowing. If you have a talk and then the other person changes their mind because the partner's arguments convinced them, it's not manipulation, it's healthy communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:13 PM
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And I'm saying "power" is how you define it. Is a woman that chooses a C/FM marriage lacking power? She had the power to choose that marriage and man, and she has the power to leave anytime she chooses. However, by their arrangement, she has less "say" in decision making, and she's happy with that. Who has power? Who has less? Power is not the same as happiness. Yes, she might be happy with that arrangement, but she still has objectively less power. The man also chose to be with her and enter hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:10 PM
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But Red Pill assumes that men have to be "captains" and women have to submit to them by default, otherwise the relationship wouldn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:07 PM
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Wishful thinking is a powerful thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:05 PM
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Yes, women are better evolved to be vaginally penetrated... obviously, since they're the only ones who have vaginas in the first place. That doesn't automatically mean they're better evolved to be anally penetrated. Only women have vaginas, but both men and women have anuses, and both male and female anuses are virtually the same and have the same characteristics. And I don't buy that women are somehow inherently more into anal sex than men when currently in our society anal sex is such a taboo …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:03 PM
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Yeah, apparently women are somehow better evolved to take it in the ass, even though men actually have a better potential to orgasm from it due to prostate and gay sex is very common in some mammal species, as well as many cultures. Like I said, how convenient that women just happen to be the ones who have to gather up their courage and endure potential discomfort or even pain while men don't even try because apparently it goes against their natural sexuality or something like that...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:36 PM
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if you want to go by numbers, current up-votes represent 0.002% of community. The vast majority of subscribers are not active regular participants.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 04:33 PM
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Balding isn't generally seen as attractive because it's one of the signs of ageing and, as much as Red Pill would have you believe otherwise, ageing isn't generally attractive to women. Whether you can or can't control it has nothing to do with it. We can't just stop finding it unattractive just because you think it's not fair. Last time I checked, men don't see wrinkles on women as attractive, even though women can't control getting wrinkles.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:26 PM
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Ha, the moment I saw "pegging" in the title, I knew what most responses from Red Pillers would be like.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:22 PM
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How convenient for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:21 PM
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So... you're afraid penetration is painful but have no qualms with it as long as it's women being penetrated and not you? That's actually one of the most common arguments I hear. "Hey, anal sex is awesome! No, don't worry, come on, it's so adventurous and it's not going to be painful- wait, you mean I'd be the one to be penetrated? Fuck no!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:20 PM
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Well, it's a good thing that your opinion is not an authority and you don't have any power to determine what "healthy male sexuality" is, and tons of people are enjoying pegging (I've heard anal orgasms can be very strong for men). Two hundred years ago people in the West believed "healthy female sexuality" was being able to orgasm solely from PIV and if a woman couldn't do that, she was broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:13 PM
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Then why do they still discuss men in a positive manner?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:07 PM
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Yeah, if they tried they might have to shatter the illusion that their sub is not misogynist. Red Pill is all about "accepting the hard truths", right?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:06 PM
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This is exactly why that (in)famous OK Cupid study is bullshit. Not to mention that most men have shitty pictures, it's really hard for many women, including me, to determine whether I'd like to have sex with a guy or not only from seeing a silent 2D image of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:03 PM
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When women prefer attractive men, they're being hypergamous. When men prefer attractive women, they're just acting according to their logical biological nature /s
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:01 PM
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I'm a woman and I don't rate men. I don't see a man and go like, "Ok, he's 6 in looks, 4,3 in money and 8,1 in dominance". I don't even give a shit about money and dominance, I give a shit about precisely the same things Red Pillers tell me I don't give a shit about: being a kind person, being interesting, supportive, etc. But according to Red Pill, I'm lying and I don't actually give a shit about those things, so you don't have to believe me if you don't want to. Either way, I've never felt a n…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 03:00 PM
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Subreddit surveys, maybe? I'm willing to bet the number of regular participants who actually believe in RedPill is much, much smaller than the number of all subscribers, which would make those (now) over 300 upvotes actually reflect the sub much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:50 PM
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2) Women's self worth at least appears to be in large part derived from the attention they get from the opposite sex. Men's self worth isn't derived from the attention they get from women, not to anything like the extent it is for women. Yeah, that's exactly why there are no men on Reddit constantly bragging how much sex they have or complaining how their friends make fun of them because they're virgins or have too little sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:47 PM
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Most people who like it don't like it as a life philosophy, they like it as entertainment. I'm not a feminist but I love the show, it's hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:41 PM
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She wouldn't have dated them/slept with them if she wasn't attracted to them, though. Money was just a nice bonus, looks were most important to her. The lesbian artist (who wasn't very famous or rich) , hotel magnate and actor were exceptions, they were the only people Samantha had a more serious relationship wth. And the actor wasn't famous when they started dating, she made him famous using her PR skills and influence because she liked him, back then he was just a waiter. Samantha had sex with…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:39 PM
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You really can't judge the whole Sex and the City after watching just one single episode. Skipper (not Scooter) only features in the first few episodes. I'd say it does have things that would be considered Red Pill, but ultimately no. Those 4 women are in their 30s, later in their 40s and still have tons of men who want to fuck them and be in relationship with them, even though they're "career women". They all have pretty high libidos, especially and sex and sexual pleasure is very important to …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:32 PM
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What percent would that be of active subscribers, people who are actually participating on the sub regularly?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:18 PM
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A while ago I proposed such an experiment: finding a post or comment on Red Pill that says something negative about men, all men in general, anything except violence or aggression because they actually respect those and don't see them as too bad. I was easily able to find a handful of negative posts/comments about women, took like 5min browsing the frontpage, then challenged them to find the same about men. If TRP doesn't think men are better than women, it should have been easy to find them say…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:16 PM
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The OP of the quoted post has a right to say what he wants but that doesn't mean the entire community accepts it. It has over 200 upvotes and Archwinger is elected a moderator and "endorsed contributor". In order for this to have happened, his ideas had to be popular on the sub, with most of the community agreeing with them. If he was just an "extreme minority", he would have been downvoted into oblivion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 02:08 PM
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Look at this sub. Virtually every thread states something as a fact that they don't prove by a study. Red Pillers also state their own observations as facts. Why don't you call out them too, then? The only way to make this sub purely about facts would be to make a requirement to post a study next to every statement made. And that would include Red Pillers having to actually prove their popular statements like "women stop maturing at 18", "women are only attracted to very muscular guys who domina…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 11:50 PM
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women like erotica fiction which is different from classic porn. Women like erotica because it's actually written mostly by women for women. Because, as much as Red Pill likes to pretend they know better waht women want than women themselves, that doesn't seem to be the case. "Blue is the warmest colour" is not porn by any standards, and that's not what I meant. It's a romance movie. conventional porn is not as popular to women as it is to men. And I just explained why. but I strongly doubt it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 11:26 PM
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This conversation just proves that the whole idea of this sub is completely useless. You know just as well as I that I can't just produce a % of Red Pillers who are misogynistic, unless I literally spent several years researching and analysing the whole sub, read every single comment and categorised them into "misogynistic" and "not misogynistic" according to clearly defined criteria on what constitutes misogynistic, and we both know that even if I tried to do that (which I won't, if I had that …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 11:17 PM
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women don't go around lusting for the majority of young dudes like men do with young girls. This doesn't mean their libido is weaker, just that most women prefer quality over quantity. not to the point of even remotely matching my description of male libido. Oh, come on, "even remotely"? Do you think female libido is like only 5% of male libido or what? I hate to disappoint you, but just because women aren't that sexual with you personally, doesn't mean they're not that sexual with anybody else.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 11:00 PM
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I can't find the number of children who participated, but it can't have been more than 50 or so. You're trying to make a universal biological statement based on the results from ~50 people? You know what percent of the whole human population would ~50 people make? Not to mention it's not ~50 completely random people - it's an extremely narrow group, middle-class British students aged 11-16 who are interested in science. Apparently you have no idea how probability or statistics work.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 09:20 PM
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just take a job that brings in good cash. I hear this explanation very often but sounds very stretched to me. First of all, many of those non-Western countries are also a lot more traditional in terms of gender roles - why would a disproportionate number of women there want to earn a lot of money instead of relying on their husbands, which is what a lot of Western women do? Secondly, why is this argument never applied to Western men? I think it's safe to say many Western men feel pressured to ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:56 PM
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Mens' sex drive decreases as they get older, women's increases. This doesn't make sense biologically, though. The reason why women's libido increases with age is because women's sex drive is more complex and more affected by various factors such as social conditioning, confidence or lack of it, etc. Older women also have more experience with their bodies and know what gets them off better, and feel less inhibited. Of course your libido would increase if you found sex more pleasant and became bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:37 PM
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It can match male libido. Female libido is a lot more varied and more dependent on a lot more factors, which makes it a lot more complex than male libido, and different, of course, but more complex and different doesn't automatically mean weaker. You could say it's just harder to activate, but once it's activated, it can be like a force of nature. I can't take any studies on female libido seriously if they don't take into account the number of women who are on hormonal birth control, though, or …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:33 PM
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Why would I want my libido to start intervening with my daily life and feel like I'm out of control? I love my libido the way it is - pretty strong, enough to make me want to masturbate at least once every day, but sometimes up to ~5 a day. It varies sometimes, and, interestingly enough, I've been unable to notice any correlation to my menstrual cycle, so maybe it's more about how many hours I slept at night or how stressed I feel, what I eat or something else, but there are days when I can bare…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:25 PM
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if anything a boy winning a girls competition should further show that males are naturally more inclined in these things but they still find reason to be mad over it. One boy winning one female science competition proves that men are inherently better at science? This one single case proves it, seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:16 PM
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and how stupid it is to waste money to force people into fields they don't want to get into. It would be true if this whole "women are not interested in STEM" thing was universal, but actually it's mostly a Western phenomenon. In a number of countries, women actually outnumber men in STEM, even fields like computer science and engineering have a lot more women than in the West, even though they don't do anything to get more women into STEM, women flock there on their own will. So maybe we should…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:09 PM
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Asian women fetishize white guys just like Asian men fetishize white women. Don't know about other Asian countries, but generally Japanese women are a lot more willing to date white men than Japanese men white women. Japanese man-white women couples are pretty uncommon compared to the other way around. Could have something to do with cultural differences, Japan is a lot more traditional in terms of gender roles compared to the West, so the way I always see it explained, many Japanese women prefe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 08:04 PM
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What you just deduced here is usually considered common sense by a lot of people, and it doesn't invalidate OP's point. Being physically attracted to someone is like a base requirement - it's not enough for a relationship, but if you don't pass that, you're not even considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/16 07:58 PM
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In which "present society"? There's no one single society uniting the whole world, there are over 1000 different societies out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 06:48 PM
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Whenever I hear Red Pillers go on about how they've all been maliciously deceived their whole lives by women's conspiracy or something like that, this is exactly what it usually turns out to mean - their moms or some other women in their lives assuring them they just have to be nice to get girls. The vast majority of people, men and women, hear similar nice-but-not-always-right things from people they love, but most figure out how it really works by the age 16 or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 06:46 PM
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TRP sidebar, which is supposed to be officially accepted and represent TRP, has a lot of misogynistic things (like stating Schopenhauer's thoughts on women as if they were facts...).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 02:58 PM
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they were lied to and manipulated from a young enough age to not know any better. Translation: "My mommy told me I'm special and all the girls will come to my yard but that didn't happen".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 02:56 PM
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See, that's what we're talking about. At least you openly admit it, though, most Red Pillers go out of their way to deny they're misogynists, and then in the same breath continue to portray women as evil dumb children while men as self-sacrificing smart heroes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 02:55 PM
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The Ache are most probably extreme outliers and lived widely different to how the vast majority of humans lived for 99% of history – which is quite clear from them still living in the Stone Age when 99.9% of humans progressed out of that period thousands of years ago. You don't seem to grasp that humans have lived as nomadic foragers for 99% of human history. Agriculture was only invented ~10 000 years ago, which gradually led to bigger and more technologically advanced societies. But our bodies…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 02:19 AM
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Studying a "living fossil" community (The Ache) who are still living in the Stone Age is not likely to result in conclusions that apply to humanity in general. This society certainly is much more similar to how humans lived 99% of their history than American or other modern developed societies. Precisely because them living in the Stone Age is proof of how extremely unsuccessful, inferior and just generally different from the rest of humanity they are. ... aaand you have just displayed extreme i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 01:42 AM
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Expectation of lifetime monogamy and being both bombarded with sexual messages and simultaneously told they should restrict their sexuality. plus the whole rape hysteria and general antagonism between men and women caused partially by radical feminism and partially by people with Red Pill-like mindset is making men and women far less compatible than they could be. Men and women are literally designed to have sex with each other. They have evolved to be compatible, otherwise there would be no con…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:38 PM
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Western women are possibly the most promiscuous women in human history. You're pretty naive and ignorant to believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:32 PM
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Unlike other animals, women have concealed ovulation, men can't consciously tell when they're fertile, that's why, unlike most other animals, men and women just have sex all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:31 PM
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Actually, rape probably wasn't a very effective strategy back then. Though the number of people who believe all sex back then was rape is very disconcerting. I don't know what's worse, people believing that all men back then were evil beats not giving a fuck about women's pain or wellbeing, or them believing that women were some kind of men's puppets to do whatever they wanted to and who had zero influence or power in the society.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:30 PM
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Red Pillers like to think monogamy only benefits women while casual sex only benefits men but that's not true. Both men and women have always utilised both of these strategies, at least when they were allowed to. Heck, many much less complex animals have multiple sexual strategies (as in, both males and females utilise more than one strategy depending on the situation and environment), so why is it such a preposterous idea that women and men might also have more than one strategy each? Humans ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 10:24 PM
1

Prostitution is very often brought up on this sub whenever there's talk about how sex is as important as food and water, but is usually rejected on the grounds that it's not enough because it doesn't offer validation (as in, knowing somebody actually desires you). It might be possible to offer free prostitution, but you can't provide actual love and desire, it's impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 07:59 PM
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Yeah, because no man has ever reacted badly after being given the harsh truth, especially from a woman. It's just women who can't handle da truf.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 02:12 PM
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It's not "girls' natural instinct", it's people's natural instinct. Most people, both men and women, don't really get thrilled at the idea of beating a horse that's already down. If you don't want comfort, then don't approach it like you need comfort. Don't appeal to people's feelings of sympathy ("No woman has ever wanted me, I'm so lonely, what should I do???"), appeal to their "fixing things" mode ("What can I do to become x, y, etc?").
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 02:09 PM
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When you come to a woman with a problem, generally her first reaction is to make you feel better. This isn't a bad thing, but it's far different than providing a solution. Correction - when you come to a woman and phrase your problem in a way that sounds like dejected plea of despair or whining. If you look like harsh but useful criticism would make you jump off the bridge, I'm not going to deliver it. And I suspect most of these men are actually looking for comfort, not criticism. If they were …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 02:07 PM
1

It's been discussed in other threads that women tend to cluster in the middle of an IQ spectrum while men cluster at either end, to put it extremely generically- the thing is if you're a woman it's likely close to a 50/50 chance that your male friend is dumber than you. No, that's not how it works. That's not how the I curve looks like either. Both men and women are mostly average. It's not like 50% of men are idiots and 50% are geniuses. It's just that at the very end of each spectrum there are…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 02:03 PM
1

You'd think this is just common sense but, sadly, "common sense" isn't called that because it's actually common.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 02:00 PM
1

incels are usually respectful of other people. Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 01:57 PM
1

but it's not a guarantee of getting laid which is what men want from women This is partially why Red Pill fails so hard, it fails to acknowledge that plenty of men actually want a relationship. Yes, they want a hot woman and great sex. In a relationship. Because, aside from great sex, they also value intimacy, having somebody who cares for you and wanting to care for them too, taking care of each other, enjoying shared memories and experiences, etc. I wonder how often the miscommunication happen…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 01:57 PM
1

But... but... I thought all women were basically drowning in the sea of men dying to date/fuck them?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 01:45 PM
1

Why do you automatically assume sex would be bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 01:44 PM
1

I haven't actually heard any woman phrased it that way. I think Red Pillers just invented their own stereotype of those women, you wouldn't actually have this dialogue in real life. They're trying to debunk an imaginary dialogue that doesn't even exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 01:39 PM
1

Simple, you just don't focus too much on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 01:32 PM
1

Go ask any psychologist whether they think humans are so easy to figure out and solve.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 01:30 PM
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but you can recognize a few generally applicable principles, you can see trends in both people's behavior in general and in individual behavior Those patterns are much fewer, broader and more vague than all those detailed TRP theories about how exactly all women behave and what exactly all women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 01:29 PM
1

Leave it to Terpers to over-dramatise things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 01:26 PM
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I would if they didn't constantly disbelieve and mock my own grievances.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 01:19 PM
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They operate under assumption that no woman has a decent job of her own so they all have to hunt for "beta providers" later in life, and that all men prefer casual sex in youth and only change their priorities if they get old and want somebody to take care of them, or fall in love, or meet a "unicorn".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 01:17 PM
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Woman's idea of "settling down": "Let me go find a man will sacrifice his money and freedom for my benefit." Man's idea of "settling down": "Let me go find a woman worth investing in and make a family." Nice way to deliberately phrase it so that the woman appears selfish and evil but a man seems generous and self-sacrificing, even though both of them are doing exactly the same thing and acting purely out of self-interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 01:14 PM
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economic welfare state What exactly is "we"? If you're referring to America, you must be kidding because it doesn't even have mandated paid maternity leave like the rest of developed world (actually it's one of the 4 countries in the whole world that doesn't have it). Some developed countries already have prostitution, which is the closest thing you could get to "sexual welfare". But, no, you can't force people to actually want to have sex with you. Besides, if a thing like that existed, why sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/16 01:10 PM
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What I can control is whether she looks at me and sees a fat, neck-bearded slob, or a fit, well groomed man with some concept of style who seems to have his sh*t together. You forgot the extremely important where and how he asks her out.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 05:48 PM
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why you think that is something RPers do as a regular course of action. Reading all those "field reports", maybe. Or some popular Red Pill techniques like "pushing through last minute resistance". If you have to "push through" a woman not wanting to have sex with you, you have already crossed the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 04:13 PM
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You cannot base the entire male reddit population on who you've met at a meet up. I'm not saying this is entire male Reddit population, but it's definitely a big part of it. It's about Reddit's history - right now it's a huge and very diverse internet community, but it started out as place for "nerdy" IT/computer games fans. The popularity of those "nerdy" subs and that sort of content being basically a default on Reddit suggests it. It's not just about Reddit, though, but the whole nerd culture…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 04:11 PM
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Why does it matter if I've personally seen it? I haven't actually seen women who reject men for being too short, but I don't doubt those women exist, there are too many accounts on the for there to be a possibility that all people who talk about them are lying. Go to any thread on TwoX or AskWomen about harassment or bad experiences with them and, if you managed to find every one of them and read every comment, you'd end up with literally thousands of those stories- Oh, wait, sorry, I forgot tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 03:51 PM
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Um, a lot of both anthropologists and feminists see monogamy as a construct of the patriarchy designed to serve men and not women. Well, I see this as a pretty narrow-minded view, and, sadly, those feminists are internalising the same sexist view that only men drove evolution while women were just passive recipients of it. Many feminists don't want to find out about evolutionary psychology because they're convinced that what they found would be a proof that women are meant for nothing else than …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 10:16 AM
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They approach a woman and, if she rejects them, they keep pestering her or even start insulting her. This is far too common.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/16 10:12 AM
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He's right. It pretty much was. No, he's not. At no point did all men congregate and suddenly decided they would start handing out women to men. This is the same shitty "evo-psych" mindset based on the assumption that only men were actually shaping the world and society whereas women didn't have any say or influence at all. And, no, that's not why monogamy was "invented". It came around because it helped the children's survival and also had other benefits for both men and women. And you seem to …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 05:48 PM
2

Not a single man around TRP or in my real life honestly believes he's "owed" pussy. Maybe not consciously believe they're literally "owed" it, but certainly act like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 05:44 PM
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Life-long monogamy - maybe, but serial monogamy is definitely the norm in many societies. Casual sex is popular in many of them too, though. Humans can have more than one sexual strategy. Heck, a lot of animals have more than one sexual strategy, so why not humans?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 05:43 PM
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Seriously. Are they somehow managing to completely ignore the fact that this "free sex market" is free for everyone, women and men? Funny how they're the first ones to scream "equal opportunity > equal outcome" when it comes to sexism and discrimination, but that suddenly doesn't apply to sex just because they're worse off? Men are free to have sex just like women are - I'd say, more free, because women still face a lot more slut-shaming. And, despite what they'd like to have us believe, tons of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 05:40 PM
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No kidding, several times on this sub I've seen some Red Pillers suggest some sort of mandatory charity for "incels" and "foreveralones".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 05:36 PM
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You're resorting to strawmen now. Where have I said that you don't need physical strength in construction at all? All I said was that you need it less than before. Good luck trying to disprove that cranes and tractors didn't exist back in 1500s. And look what magnificent buildings they still managed to make...and it took literally decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 09:51 AM
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So law enforcement, the FBI, judges, the military, all have the role of bestowing punishment or order onto others. When a police officer pulls someone over for drunk driving and gives them a DUI, he is being unkind to them because he is punishing them. So they require people to be unkind at their job. Do you think those people aren't kind to their friend and families, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 09:45 AM
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Men on Reddit are a pretty specific demographic, it strongly skews "nerdy", socially awkward and not highly attractive. All the Reddit meetups I've been to so far confirmed it. Besides, older women are much more likely to approach but Reddit is mostly very young people. Besides, when women talk about men approaching them, it's almost always about harassment. Maybe this is sexist o me but I don't think women harass men as much as men do women - if anything, because it's more physically intimidati…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 09:43 AM
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Ha, how convenient... "Women are mercenary, don't give a fuck about men and have been collectively kicking men in the testicles for the last 50 years but not me I swear I'm not like other women, I'm cool and rational like a man!!" If she wasn't saying exactly what those Red Pillers and radical MRAs wanted to hear most, she'd be seen as annoying as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 01:16 AM
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No, it works just fine. Because both people are just indirectly developing the connection and "making moves" without specifically stating that. For example, you meet someone through your friend's friends, go to a pub together, get drunk, then randomly kiss each other, then you might spontaneously decide to have sex, or just go back home, then you chat on Facebook and decide to meet again, but not like "I'm asking you out on a date" but something very casual like "how about meeting up for coffee?…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 01:13 AM
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There are women like Karen Straughan who seem to have more of a male brain, despite their female bodies. That would explain why she constantly talks about women as if it doesn't apply to her at all and she's some special snowflake...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:54 AM
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IIRC men tend to show higher function for motor skills and spatial reasoning, while women tend to show higher function for analytical reasoning and emotional reasoning. Those spatial differences can be virtually eliminated by just a few hours of video gaming. And those differences weren't seen in a matrilineal society where women received the same education as men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:52 AM
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Men and women are not as different as a spoon and fork. We literally have all the same limbs, for fuck's sake... we're the same species. And spoons/knives are objects, they are designed by people who also decide how to use them. Men and women are human beings, they're not owned by anyone and nobody can order them what the purpose of their life should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:47 AM
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And construction today uses a lot of modern equipment that makes all that lifting and work a lot easier than it used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:43 AM
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He/she meant that those differences don't matter as much today in modern societies. When was the last time you needed to use close to 100% of your physical strength? If you don't have a manual labour job and don't engage in activities or hobbies that require that, you're not likely to need that much strength at all. I mean, how do you think women manage to go through their daily lives while only having about 55% of men's upper body strength? Most of the time we do just fine. I'd say 99% of the t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:41 AM
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There are lots of things that women are generally better at than men, and vice versa Being less good at something =/= not being able to do something. Being less good could mean 15% less good (only a bit less, 30% less good (still not that much less), or 50% less (now that's pretty significant).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:34 AM
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In many hunter-gatherer societies today, women only have ~4 children each and they still manage to keep their population the same - not growing, but not diminishing either. Yes, many children die, but not that many. Many of those societies even commit infanticide.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:32 AM
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At the "average" genius range there's equal representation of both male and female. "Average genius" just sounds so off...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:30 AM
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If you're Daenerys Targaryen, maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:28 AM
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The only actually unique thing that only women have that men don't is childbirth and breastfeeding. I don't see any artificial womb transplants or lactation hormone therapies for men, do you? As a woman, this is what I see as the essence of my femininity - my ability to create life and sustain it with my own body. Nobody's going to take that from me, and I don't see anybody trying to. I don't see hordes of men wishing they could get pregnant or breastfeed. Women weren't created to do everything …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:26 AM
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the Tinder machine senses desperation and moves dudes who swipe right to everything to bottom of the viewing list, or something? They do it the right way, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:16 AM
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who approaches strangers for dates? Americans. People on this sub apparently assume it's the Default Society(™) or that everybody here is American or even if not, the thought that maybe other countries could have different social customs doesn't even occur to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:15 AM
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They don't approach you more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:11 AM
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Instead of directly approaching, most women use Indicators of Interest (IOI's) instead. If you take IOI's into consideration, then really the majority of sexual interactions are actually initiated by women, not the other way around. Now imagine that men don't directly ask out, they use IOIs too. This is what dating is like in most of Europe, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/16 12:08 AM
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I wouldn't expect a woman who is overall nurturing and kind to be able to tackle drug dealers and handcuff them. Why not? People have multiple sides to them. Just because she's nurturing and kind to people she loves, doesn't mean she's nurturing and kind to all other people. Or, even if she is, doesn't mean she can't also be strict and harsh when needed. Really, though, that's a very weird assumption to make. Do you believe all people who have "tough" jobs are unkind?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 11:53 PM
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Seriously, is this really considered the image of an average man now? If so, think about what this means.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 11:51 PM
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I think those men can definitely improve, but what they need is not a forum consisting mostly of similarly socially-inept men who obviously can't help them because they're struggling with the same issue themselves and the blind can't lead the blind, and a few socially successful men who also can't help because they're not qualified to and they've never even seen those people in person. What they need is a professional. And it's not going to take a week either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 11:47 PM
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I can just as easily replace short men with burn victims, amputees, etc ... you're... you're seriously saying being short as a man is just as unattractive as being burn victim or an amputee? Ok, how short are we talking? Dwarfism? Maybe, though still I'd say not even comparable to being severely maimed at all. Normal-height but below average? Then it's just completely ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 08:46 PM
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There's virtually no practical difference from "most women are like that" and "all women are like that." "No no, look, I didn't mean all women are dumb, immature, manipulative gold diggers! Only the vast majority of them!"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 07:45 PM
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Your argument is based on a false assumption that a woman who's dating a short man is dating him despite him being short, as in, she's not attracted to him or less attracted but she thinks his other qualities make up for it. What if she genuinely finds him very attractive and wouldn't be dating him if she didn't find him attractive? And what's wrong with only wanting to date somebody you're attracted to? I'd say it's far less shallow than dating somebody for money or social connections, etc. At …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 07:05 PM
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It seems you went from right to wrong So, what, you seriously thing preferring short men makes you a better person while preferring tall men makes you a bad person? but it would be really interesting to hear what standards men have that women can't do anything about? Everything that has to do with the general anatomy and facial structure, and, yes - their height too. Women can't change those things any more than men can. Some women are simply a lot more attractive than others just because of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 10:43 PM
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I actually used to internalise this shit myself. Like, I've always read so much on Reddit about how it's basically impossible for men to get any sex or a date if they're below 5'10 and how women are so evil for wanting taller men because men can't do anything about their height while men have so low standards, that I actually used to think of myself and other women who don't care much about men's height as more "progressive" while women who wouldn't date shorter men as shallow or narrow-minded. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 08:03 PM
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It's not just the father and mother's height that determines the child's height. Much more complex than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 02:37 PM
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Two possible explanations: a) you're underestimating his looks and overestimating yours. As much as many men like to think they know what women find attractive better than women themselves, they will never be able to see it from women's perspective. Because they're not women. b) he has much better social skills than you, or more appealing personality, though they're related Or maybe both.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 02:34 PM
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It has nothing to do with being "nice and understanding". Dating a short man doesn't make you a good person. It doesn't mean you're somehow more moral or nice. And being attracted to tall men doesn't make you a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 02:30 PM
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/r/short: "N-no... Shhh... You don't real. You don't real."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/16 02:27 PM
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Unfortunately, it seems a good 50% of them are downright fat In America, no doubt, but in my country and almost everywhere else I've been, the vast majority of people below middle age are of normal weight, both men and women. UK is something else, though. I came from Eastern Europe and was astonished how many young people in UK are downright obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 10:49 PM
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'Women are the Most Responsible Teenager in the House' was actually debunked by a BP (or exredpill, I don't recall) member and redpillschool agreed, quietly, that the premise of the article was not factually correct. I'm curious, can you post a link? Not that I don't believe the debunking itself, I mean, no shit, women's brains remaining completely unchanged past 18 goes against the most basic science, but I'm really curious how that blue piller managed to convince the other side - a feat that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 08:01 PM
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The saying "Europeans work to live, Americans live to work" really does seem to have some basis. Whenever I hear people on Reddit talking about their jobs, it's like employers expect them to have literally no life outside work, if they dare to commit such blasphemy as having children or taking holiday, they can basically kiss their career goodbye.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 05:45 PM
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The fact that tobacco industry is so huge speaks otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/16 01:08 PM
1

Which men and women's exactly? What nationality, education level and age group? What was the sample size? What views, exactly? What method was used to obtain these results - qualitative, quantitative?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 09:46 AM
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This is better than I could ever have described.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 09:40 AM
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TRP, in reality, is the study of female psychology. The very core of TRP is the false belief that women have some sort of completely different nature than men, that they don't just have differences but are so completely alien to each other they might as well be different species. This is just one of many reasons why TRP is detestable to any rational person.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 09:38 AM
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This shit doesn't happen in Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 09:25 AM
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Most countries that have maternal leave offer paternal leave as well. Sweden and Norway actually have mandatory paternal leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 09:21 AM
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If you're living in Europe, why do you care about whether the US adopts a federally mandated parental leave policy? It has nothing to do with you and will affect you and your life in no way whatsoever. Some people are not completely myopic and manage to see further than their own ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 09:08 AM
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This is exactly why paternal leave should exist as well, and equal time with maternal leave. Literally every developed country in the world except USA has mandated paid maternity leave, and in some of them there are a lot more employed women than in USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 08:43 AM
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If all men took care of themselves (weren't fat, exercised at least a little, invested in their appearance even slightly more than the most basic hygiene, wore clothes that didn't look 3 sizes too big, etc), I'd say most men would be attractive enough, up to a certain age.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/16 08:35 AM
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In women, it's estrogen, not testosterone, that increases libido. Women have the highest libido during ovulation when their estrogen level is at its highest. And, actually, newer studies show that more estrogen also increases libido in men.. Not to mention hunter-gatherer men were shown to have 30% less testosterone than modern men, due to much lower and sporadic food supply. And they weren't spending their days bench-pressing barbells.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 11:59 PM
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Not any worse than your average evo-psych book. At least the close-knit society part is definitely true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 11:44 PM
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Either women have agency (treated equal in relationships, under the law, dont need to police to come police your mental health, bad-relationship having ass) or, TRP is right and women are inferior. Pick your poison. Are you really completely unable to not see it as a zero sum game? Women aren't either strong or weak. Some are strong, some are weak. And even when you're strong, it doesn't mean you can be 100% strong in every situation. What if we reversed the genders? If men are so strong and ind…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 11:08 PM
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Do you know what abusive relationship is? It's when you're literally brainwashed into believing you CAN'T leave because nobody else will ever have you and you won't be able to survive on your own anyway. Being in abusive relationship is different from simply being in a shitty relationship and knowing you COULD leave, but just don't want to or think the benefits outweigh the disadvantages, or are too lazy to leave, etc. Abusive relationship is being abused into believing you don't have a choice a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 06:56 PM
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Depression is real. Anxiety is real. Alcoholism is real. Gaslighing and psychological trauma inflicted by constant abuse is also real.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 06:40 PM
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I can't imagine a situation where a Red Piller managed to completely hide his views from me, never so much as a slip, in a long-term relationship. There are beliefs that are pretty much universal in Red Pill - treating women very differently from men, often with a good amount of scorn and contempt, seeing women as intellectually inferior and, trying to b overly dominant or even controlling and probably the most universal - wanting to be the "Captain" of relationship. How is it possible not to no…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 04:36 PM
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Psychological abuse is just bullshit. LEAVE. "Depression is bullshit, just stop thinking bad thoughts and think happy thoughts instead!" "Anxiety is bullshit, just stop panicking!" "OCD is bullshit, just calm down and stop obsessing about all those details!" "Alcoholism is bullshit, just stop drinking!"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 04:26 PM
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At first you said If I could fuck 3-4 girls a week with zero stress or consequences, I'd do it in a heartbeat. It would be the life. But then you said So this makes me think that an LTR is my best choice. I can build a loving, trusting relationship with a woman and have my sexual needs met at the same time. Sounds like a good deal? If your ideal life would be having casual sex with a few women, it seems you don't actually need love, trust, intimacy or other benefits that come with a long-term re…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 04:13 PM
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I'm absolutely sure that if a man was thrown in prison for refusing to have sex with his wife, you'd find that preposterous. But of course it wouldn't even occur to you that men refuse sex too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 03:59 PM
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Because she is a strong, independent woman who just cant leave the fucking relationship or tell the man to shut the hell up...or fight back, with a "whatever you say, pencil dick" That's now how abusive relationships work. The very core of abusive relationship is that you psychologically (or physically) abuse the person into not being able to leave you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 03:58 PM
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If AWALT is accepted on this sub, why isn't ARPALT? Red Pillers are certainly much, much smaller group than women, who are literally 51% of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 03:31 AM
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Would be great if Red Pillers took their own advice and applied the same to women, but from what I see, more often it's when a man does something and a woman disagrees with it, "she just doesn't understand male psychology", but when a woman does something and a man disagrees with it, "crazy women amirite??".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/16 02:37 AM
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while ignoring the fact that hetero sex is absolutely vital to life and asserting that hetero sex is not natural, You're putting your own words in my mouth here. I'm not ignoring hetero sex is vital for reproduction and certainly not saying hetero sex is unnatural, that would be absolutely ridiculous. What I'm trying to say is that one of the major caveats of evolutionary biology explanations is that they see sex as only the means of reproduction. This is true for many species, but certainly not…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 11:34 PM
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Getting fucked in the ass doesn't come naturally to most men. If getting fucked in the ass for men is against their nature, then why does prostate just accidentally happens to be conveniently located in such a spot that it can be stimulated with anal sex? Male-male sex is pretty common in bonobos, and they're our very close relatives. It's also moderately common in some other social mammal species. It was also extremely common in many historical societies such as Roman Empire, ancient Greece, ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 08:45 PM
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There are so many fish in the sea, and a woman who is insecure about her past and refuses to divulge information about herself upon request is likely insecure and definitely not LTR worthy. This is kind of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation for women - the only women who can win are those who are virgins or only had like 1 sex partners (and even then there are men who don't want virgins). Women are punished for being confident and honest and revealing their number, but if they d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 08:39 PM
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If you lie to your partner, instead of finding someone who wants to be with you, you're finding someone who wants to be with Imaginary You. There are men out there who like promiscuous women; I've dated them. Why settle for a man who thinks your past is disgusting? Despite the popular belief, not all women have hundreds of men lined up to date them. Sometimes, no, actually, quite often, there's a person with whom you really click, who you really like, except there's this one thing, like a belief…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/16 08:36 PM
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A lot of men are introverted, shy or socially awkward. Replying to an ad online is much easier than actually walking up to a stranger in the real life. Whenever I go to a club or party there's always at least one drunk guy who boldly asks for my number, and then never contacts me ever again, and doesn't reply to me when I try to contact him. Because, yeah, having drunk courage to ask someone for their number doesn't mean you'll still have courage or interest to contact them when you're sober.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 07:59 PM
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Women who are the same age are expected to just accept that they're not attractive anymore, suck it up and focus on other things in life. Maybe men should learn to accept it too. Just because you can technically shoot a load well into your 80s or even 90s, doesn't mean it's any good.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 07:52 PM
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What, she can't say this? Yeah, because most men would react perfectly fine to hearing this /s She can't ask for things she wants? Why don't you say the same about men? How many Terpers actually tried having a direct, sincere conversation with their wives about how lack of sex makes them feel, instead of passively-aggressively shitting on their wives on internet forums? Why didn't she know this before they got married? Why didn't he know this before they got married? If he's really that bad at i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 08:33 PM
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Many red pillers don't believe in marriage at all. Thank god they don't, because most of them would make terrible husbands. On TBP, the saddest, most depressing and horrible posts always come from MarriedRedPil. It says a lot that RedPillWomen - basically women who are trying to be the "unicorns" that Red Pillers salivate about and would be perfectly submissive, loving and devoted to the right "Captain" want nothing to do with Red Pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 08:20 PM
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Or maybe, just MAYBE, he sucks at sex and sex with him is not enjoyable to her not because she's not attracted to him (or at least not just because of that) but because of this. Or maybe she IS stressed or sick, etc. But of course women are not to be believed when they tell how sex feels for them. Men know much better what female sexuality feels like and what having a vagina feels like than women themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 08:18 PM
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And many Red Pillers believe marriage = a ticket to permanent access to a wet hole 24/7 without any consideration to the woman's own feelings and needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 08:06 PM
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The wife is withholding sex purposely and repeatedly, and has been doing so for a very long time. ... because she just hates her husband and wants to spite him? Not because she just doesn't find sex with him pleasurable anymore, or is too tired/stressed, etc? She's actually horny as fuck and would love to have sex but is purposely not having sex with her husband just to make him suffer? Because that's what "withholding" would mean. IMO, this term is inherently flawed because according to this, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 08:02 PM
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Is this like a reverse Freud or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 08:00 PM
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Also social class, education, upbringing, education and (not so much in the West but in many other countries) gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 07:57 PM
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If a married man is not owed sex, then a married woman is not owed financial support, emotional support, attention, or anything else. Relationship is not a business transaction where men pay attention coins to get sex and women pay sex coins to get attention. In a healthy relationship, both sex and intimacy and attention should be important to both partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 07:51 PM
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Women do things like withhold sex from husbands - nah, not abuse. There's a difference between purposely withholding sex out of spite, wanting your husband to suffer, and simply not wanting to have sex at the moment. The vast majority of those "withholding sex" cases are the latter ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 07:48 PM
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And apparently men are still alive and well, judging from your account. That really depends on what you see as "alive and well"... after the age of 50 or so there are more women than men, and women outnumber men in general, because our suicide rates are the highest in Europe, and most of the victims are men. Also, things like alcoholism and traffic accidents (both of which are also quite high) are more common with men as well. Let's be honest here - toxic masculinity isn't just encouraging men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 07:22 PM
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If it was truly "just for fun" ... I already fucking said it wasn't JUST for fun. I believe I actually said it at least twice. Are you really completely unable not to see this as a zero-sum game?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/16 07:18 PM
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How convenient. "Hypergamy" is basically treated as a swear word there, and you acknowledge men do the same thing but simply not call it hypergamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 09:43 PM
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It agrees men are hypergamous I've never, ever, ever, seen any Red Piller refer to men as hypergamous. On Red Pill, hypergamy is seen as exclusively female behaviour - usually contrasted with "male loyalty and unconditional love".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 09:30 PM
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You're seeing this in black and white. I never argued sex doesn't serve reproductive purpose. Of course it does. And this is exactly why people are more attracted to... attractive people. What I'm saying is that humans are a lot more sexual than most other species - even the ones with similar reproductive characteristics (long gestation, helpless or mostly-helpless offspring, slow development, etc). Sex is more than just reproduction for humans, and this is exactly why this whole gender evo-psyc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 08:34 PM
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yet never really make the effort to screen our society for suspiciously similar anti-male attitudes Actually, many of us do. You just don't see it because you're not looking for it. (at least when one can't blame toxic masculinity for this). oh, you meant, you don't see any cases of people speaking out against misandry if they're not using the framework that would fall fully in line with Red Pill or MRA beliefs, or any other beliefs except the devil feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 08:28 PM
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Take your average woman. She's a 6 in attractiveness -- attractive enough to get a male 7 as a boyfriend. She's also attractive enough to get male 9s and the occasional 10 for sex, but getting commitment from one of them is never going to happen. Come on guys, you know these women. You know 25 of them in real life and you go to school or work with at least 10 of them. Ok, so they accept women are attractive. How is being attractive related to women's inner character qualities, morals or intellec…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 08:10 PM
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statements taken out of context Ah, the favourite Red Pill defence, "taken out of context". Only lasts until they actually check the context and realise it doesn't change the damn thing. Many of them are just images of separate comments, yes, but many are fully linked threads. Go and check your "context" for yourself, and see that they still sound every bit as bad with it, if not worse. If I had the time or inclination I could go through a sub for, say, Democrats or Republicans and find an equal…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 01:25 AM
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No, but they always state how women are attracted to wealthy men. They just don't want wealth to be the thing that attracts women in them because that would make them "beta bux".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 01:01 AM
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the birthrate is dropping The birthrate would be dropping a lot more if not for all those measures like decent paternity leave. Financial/career reasons are not the only ones more women choose not to get pregnant. It was bound to happen ever since gender roles became loose enough so that more women feel they actually have an option whether to have children or not, instead of having children being an expected default. Also better sex ed and birth control - even if a woman is unwilling to have chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/16 12:16 AM
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I never said fewer women wanting to get pregnant is the reason marriage rates are dropping. I said fewer women wanting to get pregnant is the reason birth rates are dropping. You don't have to marry in order to get pregnant. Not 5 months of maternity leave for women who quit their jobs anyways. Quit their job anyway? In countries like Sweden and Norway with good maternity (and paternity) leave, the vast majority of women return to their jobs afterwards and stay employed. Obviously 5 fucking mont…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 11:40 PM
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However, OP's example "Women are more emotional," would not be considered sexist because there is a correlation between just being a woman and showing more emotion There is a difference between "being more emotional" and "showing more emotion". It's very true that, in Western societies at least, women do show emotions more often than men. Not true in some other societies where both men and women are expected to be stoic and not ask for help. In Gana and Nepal, for example, men and women cry equa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 11:35 PM
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The difference between being a misogynist and not is to what extent do you apply the statement. A misogynist is somebody who applies a multitude of negative traits to women as a whole. You can say "this particular woman is overly-emotional, cowardly and liar" and that's perfectly fine, because you're assessing this woman as an individual human being. If she just happens to be overly-emotonal, cowardly and a liar as a person, that's fine, there are lots of people out there like her. Notice how I …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 11:29 PM
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I'm from Lithuania. Mandatory draft was recently renewed there after being absent from many years, but actually so far only a small number of men have been drafted against their will because there were a lot of volunteers. The draft lasts 9 months, only men between 20 and 30 years old are drafted. For the first 8 weeks they undergo theoretical training, like lectures on tactical strategy, the history of military and such. Afterwards they're assigned to a field/role (and infantry and other danger…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 11:12 PM
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The problem is that society has fed many guys a pernicious lie that doing well at school/career and being just "nice" is enough to make up for these deficiencies, whereas that's not the case. Red Pill is telling men the same thing, just only with career, minus being nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 10:53 PM
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Then what do you think would be the solution? It's very obvious that increasingly many middle-class educated women just don't want to be pregnant anymore. And why would they? Childcare is expensive. Pregnancy is often hard and can have unforeseen health consequences, end up in a traumatising labour instead of a healthy one, or even in death, though it's become very rare now. And once they get pregnant, they find themselves having to fight twice as hard for their career and often lose out anyway,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 10:51 PM
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Like I said, I'm not saying mandatory draft is a good thing, if it applied to me I'd be pissed off too, but maybe let's differentiate between "being given the basic military training and then put to administrative work" (at least that's what the draft often consists of in my country, maybe it's different in America since it's so much more military-oriented) and "being dragged into a warzone with a gun in your hand and forced to kill or be killed", or something along the lines as I see it describ…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 10:40 PM
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It is a fact for many women that they ride the CC in their twenties, settle down in their 30's, than divorce and take a the beta's money It's a fact that a lot men leave women (not necessarily divorce but otherwise abandon them) or behave shitty too, but you never hear it mentioned on Red Pill while everyone shouts "see how shitty men are??" It is a fact that some women do not accept responsibility for their actions for accusing someone of rape when she regrets her decisions. It's a fact that so…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 10:25 PM
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what do you want? I want a proof that Red Pillers don't see women as inferior subhumans compared to men. As ardently as many Red Pillers on this sub are claiming they don't see women as any worse than men, I've never seen anything on their sub that confirms it, only the contrary. Even on the sidebar of the sub, the "official" source, women are called petty, irrational, irresponsible and with an intellect barely that of a young teenager, and incapable of real love. Like I said, Red Pill became so…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 09:39 PM
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On Red Pill I've only ever heard it being described as "hormones making women more nurturing because they have evolved to take care of their children, etc".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 09:30 PM
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"I could tell you something positive about women, but the only positive things women have about them are directly related to their uteruses and hormones that control those uteruses, and not some higher intellectual abilities or more conscious moral qualities." Really, though. Red Pill says so many positive things about men - noble, self-sacrificing, accountable, responsible, unconditionally-loving, logical, brave, honest, self-improving, and the only thing it could ever say about women is nurtur…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 09:24 PM
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Men are not noblest of creatures, and I never claimed they were, however, when it comes to relationships, men are honest creatures. They have accepted their responsibilities, and have made it clear what they want in a woman. Hell, men even made honest attempts at changing their preference after being forced to feel empathy and sympathy for women who did not match their ideal image of a significant other. Men have been forced to switch from provider and protector to nurturer because women wanted …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 08:43 PM
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It's your assertion, that RP shows women in the worst possible way - you prove it. I don't have to, fortunately, somebody else has already done this before, and put lots of work in it. And, you know what's the best part? (or the worst)? On their own, all those examples still wouldn't mean anything. You could say they're just a small part of Red Pill, and you'd be right. But they're all upvoted. Heavily. If they were just random trolls, they'd simply get downvoted and/or driven away from the comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 08:40 PM
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Ok, I challenge you to try this, then. Show me a post or comment on /r/RedPill where somebody says anything good about women in general. Not some shit like "nurturing" because Red Pillers don't actually respect that or think of it as overly positive or admirable, but something else. Something equivalent to "men love unconditionally", "men are brave and self-sacrificing", "men constantly strive to improve themselves", etc. Show me when has any Red Piller ever referred to women as a whole in a gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 07:14 PM
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If your mom could give you your dream job and told you, "all you have to do is work hard, and you'll have your dream job", than after you worked hard, your mom refused to give you the dream job, you would be pretty upset no? Maybe not at not receiving the job, but rather, at your mother's lies. That would only be the equivalent if the same woman told you all you need to get her is just be yourself and then she'll be yours, but then rejected you out of nowhere, and this is not what happens. Some …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 07:11 PM
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It can be observed in most animals with male and female dimorphism. It can be observed in female and male animals, whereas Red Pillers claim it's something only females do. This wasn't known until relatively recently, but female animals do actually compete with each other, and quite fiercely, and male animals also do their own selection and want the best female with highest status. It's just that female competition is often more covert and less violent because, instead of spending more energy fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 02:28 PM
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where as women want their beta bux to be compliant so they have a cushy life. Yeah, if Red Pillers are convinced women are out to get them, there's not much anybody can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 01:45 PM
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and only a small portion of the military actually are on the front lines. A fact often ignored by Red Pillers when they act like men being drafted = instant guaranteed death. Not saying forced draft is a good thing, but over-dramatisation doesn't help your cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 12:35 PM
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The core Red Pill element is portraying women in the worst way possible while denying that men have exactly the same shit. They complain about people putting women on the pedestal, but what they do is not only take women off the pedestal but kick them to the ground and stomp them with their feet. Because that's so much more equal, totally not the other extreme /s
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 12:32 PM
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I don't know why you Red Pillers are playing special snowflakes who were somehow exceptionally deceived by the world in the ways that everybody else hasn't been. So your mommy told you that you're perfect the way you are and you will definitely get a girl? Well, my mommy told me all I need is to work hard and then I'll get my dream job. Didn't quite work out like that, but I didn't start hating my mom or the whole world because of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 12:27 PM
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The purpose of life is to reproduce and yet we still see anomalies such as homosexuality Yeah, and it's funny how homosexual behaviour is actually seen in a lot of social animals living in groups, isn't it? That's because one of the biggest mistakes those armchair "evolutionary psychologists" make is seeing sex as something with a sole purpose of reproduction, whereas for humans and some other animals like bonobos, it serves recreational purpose as well. Sex is fun - much more fun that in needs …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 12:22 PM
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I'm not saying it should, I'm just saying that MRAs who complain about how much rejection they're facing compared to feminism should have some perspective and get informed of how "smoothy" it went for feminism when it first appeared.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/16 11:58 AM
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It is not known whether the illness prompted the breakup or whether the couples in the study who divorced were already experiencing marital problems before the diagnosis. Yes, they admit and this is exactly why they list several possible conclusions from this, but none of them portray men as more noble and unconditionally-loving than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 04:56 PM
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However, being a programmer does not give the confidence that being a police officer does. It might give a different sort of confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 04:51 PM
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And the study showed that actually men are more likely to leave their wives if they get sick (that's the most likely interpretation, but all other possible interpretations would still lead to similar conclusions), so it goes against the TRP beliefs that men love unconditionally and would never leave their wives if they were doing everything right and being good wives. You may not personally leave your wife if she gets sick, but that has absolutely nothing to do with you having an Y chromosome, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 04:20 PM
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So, you could be sexually/romantically attracted to a man who was definitively not a good leader, or wanting none of it? Yes. Actually, I think being a good follower is extremely underrated. For all the talk about how great it is to be a leader and wanting/expecting everyone to be a leader, people seem to forget that leaders would be useless without having anybody to follow them. You can't be a CEO without having a company to lead. And, as a CEO, you would still achieve nothing if your workers w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 04:15 PM
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1 - Reading comprehension, much? Did you read the link you posted, or just the title? It was not a "study" - it was a set of anecdotes. They say so in the post. Well, TRP gets told all the time that anecdotes aren't important... Oh. No. Wait... Somebody who only read the first paragraph of the article lecturing me on reading comprehension... just priceless... Here you go, second fucking paragraph: To find out if these observations were based in fact, he embarked on a study with Dr. Michael J. Gl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 04:03 PM
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No, I think viewing marriage as a lifelong commitment is a good thing. That depends on how you interpret it. If you see it as being encouraged to see the relationship as a very long-term commitment. put effort in the relationship and maintain it despite the obstacles that arise, then it's a good thing. If you interpret it as being chained to your partner forever with no way to get out of marriage except literal death... then it doesn't seem as good. Basing your level of marital commitment on how…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 02:44 PM
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You forgot the third option - neither refusing to improve themselves in any way (the false interpretation of "just be yourself", taking it to mean you're absolutely flawless and perfect and don't need to improve yourself), nor faking somebody you're not and can never be because it's simply completely opposite to your personality, but actually LEARNING to be a better person -not a completely different person, but the better version of yourself - the best version of yourself you can be. With that …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 02:41 PM
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What feminists have lost their jobs for being a feminist? Plenty of the early feminists in XIX century - early XX century. Some of them imprisoned for being feminists - just for saying feminist beliefs, not for putting factories on fire or something. Current MRAs have it way better than the first feminists did.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 02:29 PM
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Regarding male DV shelters, it's kind of funny how most of the few existing ones were opened by... guess who? Feminists. MRAs seem to ignore this fact, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 02:25 PM
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Even someone like Warren Farrell, who's about as agreeable and non-inflammatory as is possible for someone addressing controversial topics like men's issues, is widely rejected by the feminist movement. Just because you're not an extremist, doesn't automatically mean people will agree to your ideas. Many MRAs reject all kind of feminism, not just radfems but even the most liberal feminists. Being an overly inflammatory extremist is basically guaranteed to get you rejected by the opposite side, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 02:23 PM
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The "till death do us part" part is dumb and outdated anyway. It held more valued historically because a couple of hundred years ago, people could not get divorced even if they wanted to (except in rare circumstances, or if they had a huge sum of money to bribe the church to annulate the marriage), so literally the only thing that could end the marriage was death. Not to mention that historically most marriages were political/economical unions, not out of love. When you keep those two points in …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 02:16 PM
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Yeah, of course, after all, men do love unconditionally, unlike the pragmatic mercenary women who would abandon men as soon as he wasn't as "manly" anymore. Oh. No. Wait... this study shows the exact opposite - women with cancer are 7 times more likely to get divorced than men with cancer, which means that either men abandon their sick wives much more often, women are more inclined not to divorce their husband and take care of him when he gets sick, or women with cancer are more likely to retrea…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 02:13 PM
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To clarify, when I say tough guy role, I mean specifically a career where you protect others or fight enemies/threats to innocent people, and you are given some power to do so. Don't know about you but I'm quite glad to live in society where there's so much less need to be protected or fought for that only a minority of people are needed for those jobs. I find it strange, because don't Red Pillers always complain how men are seen as "disposable" and how in the past they had to fight wars and stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 02:00 PM
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Everywhere on Reddit, whenever there's advice for men about women, the top most common advice is always something along the lines of "be dominant". It's phrased in various ways, most often "be assertive", "be aggressive", "take charge and lead", "exert dominance", etc. I'm a woman and, yes, honestly I do feel threatened by masculinity as it's described on Reddit - because I have absolutely no desire to be dominated in any way. I'm not some fucking fortress to be battled, conquered and "won". And…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 01:57 PM
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Just because somebody is considered sexy in Hollywood, doesn't mean they're actually sexy to an average person. In Hollywood, hotness is not solely about how supple your skin looks - it's your status, charisma, acting ability and other things. And this is true for women as well. There are actresses in their late 40s and 50s who still get the "sexy" roles in major movies and are more famous and admired than many younger actresses - Monica Bellucci (50), Nicole Kidman (48), Jennifer Aniston (47), …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 01:49 PM
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"This is my personal anecdote and I believe it's more important than scientific data."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 02:57 AM
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You think childbirth is supposed to destroy a woman's vagina? That's not what happens in normal, healthy childbirth. You do know that vagina is a muscle, right? After a while it just bounces right back.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 01:41 AM
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Red pill: Science is controlled by women who lie. I'm not letting facts get in my way. Or provides Red Pill blog articles with no statistics, studies or any sort of research included whatsoever and presents them as "data".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 12:53 AM
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Yeah, that's why all those romantic comedies, erotic novel covers and women's favourite models feature 70 year old men. Oh wait, they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 12:52 AM
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MILF doesn't mean stay at home mum.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/16 12:50 AM
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I think that's more of a wishful thinking and ego talking on your part. Sure it might feel powerful to assume that this older woman get no attention and is all lonely and grateful for any man who deigns to grace her with her penis... probably more pleasant thought than maybe she actually gets plenty of attention if she's attractive enough but of course she wouldn't say no to a hot young guy if she was attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 11:12 PM
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who hasn't had her cunt ripped apart pushing out a kid You don't know much about how childbirth works, do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 11:09 PM
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I'd say this holds true for men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 11:08 PM
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They're easier because they're mature enough to give less fuck (or no fuck at all) about societal expectations and gender roles. Many of them probably spent their youth playing tame and shy and never making the first move because they were too scared and/or thought it was inappropriate, and when they got older they thought "fuck this shit, I don't have an infinite youth and life, I'd better use the time I have to the fullest and do what I really want to do" and just have fewer inhibitions in gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 11:07 PM
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Well, this is what this sub is basically like. Red Pillers: "Based on my personal experiences, women are like this/behave like this/want this." Blue Piller: "Based on my personal experiences, I think you're wrong." "Red Piller: "No, based on my personal experiences, I think you're wrong, I'm right." Blue Piller: "Well, these are just your personal experiences, they don't prove anything." Red Piller: "And these are just your personal experiences too, based on my personal experiences, I think you'…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 10:59 PM
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It's hard for me to imagine why one would choose to identify with the community where they can't agree with most of its members.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 10:52 PM
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Come back if you can reliably prove that feminism is an actual necessity for a country's welfare. Where have I ever said that? Don't put words in my mouth. In my country feminism isn't a thing at all, and we're doing just fine. Well, except going Dutch on dates isn't popular, whereas in many countries with more feminist influence it is. I've lived in UK and Denmark and nobody there holds the door open for women and let them pass first, or do other "chivalrous" things, but in my country it's stil…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 09:17 PM
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Girls KNOW I am a virgin not because I go around whining Foreveralone anywhere but online, cos I DON'T-but because I am socially awkward. You honestly think socially awkward guys never get laid? Sure, they might not be casual sex gods (but you need to be very extrovert and have great social skills for that, so no surprise here), but lots of them have girlfriends - who are usually socially awkward too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 09:08 PM
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you suggest that people either lie by omission or simply actively lie about their sexual history. Then you conclude with "Red Pillers seem to think the whole world is intently focused on what happens in their crotch and either cheers or boos them collectively, but that's called inflated sense of importance, or just insecurity." I said people who know you might care. MIGHT care, depending on what kind of people you associate with. I know my friends wouldn't have said anything to me, I just didn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 09:04 PM
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Wow, you really are getting frothy over this, aren't you? If "autistic" is the best insult you can come up with, I feel sorry for you. What I meant is not only that you don't need to announce it in an exaggerated way. People can't know whether you're a virgin or not unless you tell them, let it slip or display some very obvious sign .Don't want to let people know? Read up on female anatomy and watch realistic porn (better some amateur porn), ask questions about sex online so that if it does come…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 03:07 PM
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firstworldproblems" Well, this is a first world problem. Think about it, if you were born in a different time or a different place, at this very moment you could have your nails being ripped from your fingers by Spanish inquisition, starving to the point of eating your own infant during a terrible famine, catching gangrene from cold because winter came and you didn't have shoes or shelter, dying from a horrible battle wound, being raped by a gang of soldiers (yes, men got raped too, there's just…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 02:55 PM
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There's so much sexual inequality today in Western societies, for both men and women, because there's so much of other inequality - physical, financial, etc. Consider, for example, the American society and just how diverse it is in all means - you have people of various ethnicity, which means there's a huge variety in height and other physical features - you could find 4'9 men and 6'2 women, and you could also find 3'9 women and 6'6 men, and everything in between. You could find countless shades…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 02:48 PM
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a) weakening feminism (by withdrawing state support and the political wildlife protection it enjoys and labeling as what it is - not a beneficial humanitarian movement, but a power-grabbing ideology similar to socialism/communism: a pushback against actual social grievances that has gone way overboard with its solutions and made things arguably worse) In most countries, feminism is either very unpopular on unheard of. Do you think men have it better in those countries? Even though women there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 11:15 AM
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The human population is 51% women and 49% men. The ratio of men and women born is very close to each other, only slightly higher in men's favour, but women outlive men in most countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 11:14 AM
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That's assuming all those 5 would agree to have sex with unattractive women, which is an extremely naive and idealised assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 11:11 AM
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Edgy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 11:09 AM
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You could have a genuine nice guy, but he cannot announce that he's an incel or a virgin, because he will suffer social backlash as a result. I've seen it happen. Why the hell would anybody loudly announce their sexual behaviour to random people? I'm pretty sure if a guy constantly went out of his way to say how he's fucked 50 women, it wouldn't be taken well either. It's kind of like the difference between vegans who just live their life, being a vegan is not the sole component of their identit…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 11:07 AM
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I know enough older people who aren't in relationship but have a lot of friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/16 10:36 AM
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Way too many assholes, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 11:23 PM
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Let's change the sentence from "I need it or else I die" to "I need it or else I go insane" or "I need it or else I don't feel satisfied/happy/..." here need has a wider area. If it was phrased that way, most people would agree. I've never heard somebody argue that sex is not a strong want. It's when people claim you literally die without sex, directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 11:22 PM
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Family and friends both go away with age. So do lovers and spouses.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 11:21 PM
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but the goal of evolution is not simply survival, it is surviving and reproducing. The goal of evolution s surviving, reproducing and maximising the opportunity of your offspring to survive and have offspring of their own. If that wasn't the case, no animal would ever take care of their offspring because it just wouldn't matter to them if they survived, but that's clearly not the case in a lot of animals whose offspring are born weak and helpless, including humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 11:19 PM
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Douche move how? Because in order for this to work, you'd have to constantly compare what you do for her with what she does for you and restrain yourself from showing too much love or being too good for her. "Oh, she's crying because something really bad happened? I should go and try to comfort her and maybe cook a nice dinner... but, wait, I already cooked a nice dinner two days ago, I must maintain a lower level of investment than her. I'll ignore her now, and then maybe tomorrow I'll give her…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 11:05 PM
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My fraternity had chubby chaser nights, where the guy who bangs the grossest chick gets free social dues for the semester. (~$500usd) So those guys were basically prostituting themselves for money. I don't think this should count.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 11:00 PM
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But the point is never that status has to be equal or higher. It has to be high enough to get in the door. Pretty sure I've seen most Red Pillers claim that the man's status has to be higher than the woman's, or else the woman would dump him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 10:58 PM
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So basically, you're denying that any kind of male sexual selections exists at all, because the best want want to fuck women of all levels of attractiveness equally because they just don't care, they would fuck anybody with a vagina and be happy with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 10:56 PM
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So, they could actually have sex, just not with the women they want. And yet if a woman complains she can't get sex with the men she wants, everybody brings out their pitchforks on her and yells at her for daring to have standards and not appreciating those men she could fuck if she wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 10:55 PM
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There is a correlation between being black and committing crimes. Conclusion - never be friends with a black person, or hire a black person?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 10:49 PM
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Most Blue Pillers never claimed that there are absolutely no differences between men and women at all. What they argue against is the Red Pill way of blowing those differences into extreme proportions, turning them into a caricature. What we argue is that men and women are not different species, they're not aliens to each other and they have a lot more similarities than differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 10:46 PM
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ven men with high levels of alpha traits exhibit this behavior, to some extent or another, with a woman they love. It's not that even "alpha" men exhibit this, it's that "alpha" men exhibit this more. This goes completely against the whole BB theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 10:34 PM
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I would say, though, that women are more likely to be serially monogamous, in that they developed a sexual strategy that places a great deal of importance on the need to ensure quality parental investment for their children. That's exactly what many of those anthropologists are disagreeing with. Paternal investment is something that's much more indirect and sporadic in hunter-gatherer societies. Women don't rely solely on men to help take care of the children - actually, in many societies it's m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 10:30 PM
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And, there's a 1000 page manual? Where? Have I missed it? Yeah, it's called Red Pill sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 10:25 PM
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What you linked to is not data, it's a Red Pill blog article, with no actual research or studies included. This is not data at all, let alone "most data", my ass. And you wonder why we don't take you seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 05:44 PM
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Then how come those marriages where both people are similarly successful usually last longer?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 05:39 PM
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BP mentality will make a man choose a wife that is more successful and she will outshadow him and make him a loser. Yeah, I'm sure having a successful wife and knowing she's with you for who you are and not for your money, and having a safety net in case your career would fail, being able to have twice the luxurious lifestyle you could afford on your own, or not being screwed over in case of divorce, or just having an intellectual, interesting and mature woman = being a loser. I sure feel sorry …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 02:22 PM
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Certainly not the fishermen who are so bad at catching the fish they need a 1000 page manual for it. If I wanted advice on women from a man, I'd never ask a man who himself is dependent on regular advice on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 02:19 PM
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And men swoon over celebrities too. Women like Jennifer Lawrence aren't even that attractive, more like a bit above average, yet the whole internet is full of men constantly salivating over them - and more about their personality than appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 02:15 PM
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Woman: "This is what my arousal feels like." Man: "NO NO NO, I'm telling you, this is what your arousal feels like. I'm a man, I know much better what having a vagina and female hormone balance feels like than women themselves do." That's the basis of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 02:12 PM
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It's gushing like a geyser, gotta fuck that man right now, want his cock inside her, need to fuck. That's arousal. Do you really presume to know exactly what a female arousal feels when you don't even have a vagina?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 02:09 PM
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Women have their own money and resources now. Women do not need the money or resources of beta men to support themselves or their offspring. That's something that's unique to women now - they don't need beta men to provide money or resources. In most hunter-gatherer societies, women provide for themselves and their children just fine - actually, in some of them like Hadza and !Kung San, it's women who provide most of the food for the whole tribe. They're not sleeping with men for their "resource…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 02:05 PM
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Maybe it's because women actually aren't meant to be monogamous, just like men aren't. But there's this false stereotype that women are strictly monogamous (the whole "sell sex for resources/paternal investment" thing) while men are promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 01:35 PM
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Sharing money is the beta quality. Then how come studies show that higher testosterone levels correlate with being more generous?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 01:30 PM
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His wife provides for herself just fine, she was one of the top employees at Microsoft before they got married. She's not staying with him for his providing abilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 01:28 PM
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We just dont care if they are. Then how do you explain why most successful men don't marry waitresses or cleaners, but women with good education and career of their own? How would you explain why, for example, in Pakistan medical schools are female-dominated, even though most of them don't practice, just because men specifically prefer highly educated women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 01:09 PM
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But then they complain how they have to financially support that woman and risk losing their shit in divorce. I think the ideal would be if a woman didn't have any responsibilities outside her husband and family so that she could devote all his time for him, but also somehow magically had steady flow money of her own so that she wasn't leeching off her Captain.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 01:06 PM
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So, even such a small group of men as Red Pill has more diversity between individuals than the whole ~4 billion of women? You don't say ARPALT but you say AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 01:04 PM
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Sweden and France didn't always allow women into university either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 01:01 PM
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guess who would be killed when a village was taken over? The men. And the women would get taken as warbrides to live another day. Another popular trope that just won't die. Yes, in some cases this did happen, but even then, only the very young and most attractive women were taken, the rest were killed. (But obviously people don't really count the other women as "women" at all). Other than that, women were subjected to violence and killings just like men were..
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 11:06 AM
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So thinking of women as inferior subhumans = acting like men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 11:00 AM
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At least he had an excuse of living in late XIX - early XX century where society wasn't exactly progressive in terms of gender. The views he had on women weren't much different than other men had, this was what he was taught by the whole society. The fact that many Red Pillers today manage to have similar or even worse views on women than men had 80 years ago is pretty telling.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:56 AM
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Are people really misintepreting this that often? Judging from all the times I see this come up on Reddit - yeah, they do. I always saw it exactly the same way as you described, seemed like the most common sense thing... But, sadly, common sense isn't as common as it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:51 AM
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Nerdy girls who look like this are very attractive. Ones who look like this aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:46 AM
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I go to the anime club at my uni, regular parties and everything. No such thing as you described. There about 40/60 women/men, so nobody treats me or other women like we're some fucking unicorns. Most women there are very average-looking and a bit awkward, and there's zero flirting going around. Women drink with men like they're buddies, all tell dirty jokes to each other, then go play Cards Against the Humanity and play some Mario Kart together, then get too wasted and go home.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:39 AM
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There is data that supports that less partners a female has the more likely she will be loyal. The more partners a female have correlate to risk of cheating. Have you ever heard "correlation =/= causation?"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:34 AM
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What I will never understand is how they can simultaneously claim that an average woman has had literally dozens of sexual partners, and yet an average woman has a feeble libido much weaker than men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:32 AM
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I think it's safe to say that there are probably a lot more male nerds than female nerds. I think it's safe to say that more men than women identify as "nerds" or go to stereotypical nerd communities. But I don't think something like watching anime or reading fantasy are gendered hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:31 AM
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Gus Sorola from Roosterteeth is a nerd, and he's been happily married for years. I think many, if not most, Red Pillers only consider being "successful with women" if you're literally having sex with 10 different HB10s per week. Being happily married or in LTR is not considered desirable - even though this is exactly what many, if not most, men strive for.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:30 AM
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Nerds who are not the stereotypical nerd are not identified as a nerd and thus cannot break the belief that nerds get no sex. Exactly. The definition of "nerd" has gained quite a lot of baggage recently - now it doesn't simply mean "a person interested in programming, anime or video games). There's this whole image of Nerd(™) being a skinny or overweight, very awkward guy with poor fashion sense and hygiene and even poorer social skills. I go to anime club at my uni and have gone to several Redd…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:26 AM
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This thing already exists, it's called prostitution. Even if it existed as a free thing, like some sort of charity, those guys still would't be happy. After the first time, they'd just start complaining it's not the actual sex they want most but intimacy and feeling desired.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:10 AM
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First of all, there was no organised warfare for 99% of human history. Not only organised warfare, but hardly any group violence at all. The earliest found archaeological account of lethal group killings dates back 13 000 years ago. Secondly, even for post-agricultural human history, this trope is overused so much that if you spent long enough among radical MRAs or Red Pillers, they'd have you believe 80% of men who ever lived died in war. Or that every single man who ever went to war died. Howe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 12:06 AM
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Are you really going to assert that people don't see the different effects (sometimes, dramatically different effects) that cultural upbringing has on individuals? I'm saying that Canadian culture is not so overwhelmingly different from American, British or other Western cultures that they would be overwhelmingly more polite, big enough difference to produce a stereotype. If you wanted to use an example of a culture of extreme politeness, at least use something like Japan, where even the languag…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 07:05 PM
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And dying from mustard gas in WWI is better than tending to the home...how? Ah, here we go, the "men died in war when women all sat at home, safe and cozily protected" trope again.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:42 PM
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generally positive stereotype. A lot of people don't believe in stereotypes even if they repeat them. They see them as more of a joke or something funny to say. They don't actually think there's something in Canadian people genetics or culture that's completely different from other countries, and that there are plenty of assholes in Canada and plenty of polite people elsewhere. It wouldn't be considered "funny" if there was no truth to it. What's considered funny has very little to do with wheth…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:29 PM
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Not the very young, but your'e legally allowed to have sex with old women. If you don't want to, it's because you don't find them attractive, but they still count as "qualifying women".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 06:08 PM
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And what about women who can't give birth? Well, they're a significant minority, and outside the pill sphere it's totally taboo to devalue them, in the same way it's taboo to devalue disabled people in the modern world now. Women over 50 are a significant minority? That's not what you meant, I know. You meant young women who can't give birth are a minority. Just stop for a moment and think about the fact that you don't even register post-menopausal women as "women" at all. Or the fact that you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:50 PM
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you're right that its better to be valued for something you were born with rather than having to work for it, its much easier. Not when you have no control over it. Fertility and looks is something very ephemeral, you only keep it for about 2 decades of your life, less than that for most women. And then, year by year, you see it slipping away from you, deteriorating, and there's nothing you can do about it, absolutely nothing. You can try to fight it, most women do, but in the end you can't win.…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:47 PM
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You're biased because you're a man yourself and you're attracted to women and not men. An average woman doesn't value another women's looks, because she's not attracted to her. Society is ~50% women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:39 PM
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110%. But seriously, between 3/5 and 4/5 - 60% to 80% - of qualifying women I see on a day-to-day basis I'd have sex with. Women of all ages, including very old women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:30 PM
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All of us were babies at some point. The universe didn't exist at some point. Not relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:28 PM
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I'm a 21 year old woman and, purely from looks, I would consider at least 60% of men between the ages of 20-30 physically attractive, and maybe 35% of men between the ages of 30-40 physically attractive. And this is judging from them men who live in my area, many of whom are overweight and obese or just don't give a fuck about their appearance. If they actually took care of themselves, the numbers could be significantly higher. How many of those men would I ask out? Zero. Where I live, there's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:23 PM
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Most men couldnt own property for most of human history. Technically, for 99% of the human history, the concept of private property didn't even exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:05 PM
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I hear this argument so often, it's funny how it's only ever used against egalitarian indigenous societies, never against patriarchal ones. The Maasai in Africa are about as patriarchal as it can get. They don't have great architecture, never conquered the world or created modern technology either. Conclusion - patriarchy sucks for societies? Also funny how you never hear the mention of historical societies that were very powerful yet egalitarian. In ancient Egypt, for most of its history, women…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 04:02 PM
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Being ordered into battle to kill other men you have never met or die in the dirt as you intestines slowly slip out of what used to be your belly. Mexican-American war. What fun. Men get all the good gender roles don't they? Strawman argument. Where did she/he say anything about war? It was only about higher education. In any Western country historically there were many more restrictions for women than men in this field. I don't think there was ever a field men were barred from, even midwifery, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 03:57 PM
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-- For each department in which she studied, the faculty voted on whether to allow her in. The math department at Noether's university was thrilled to have her, but she had trouble completing her liberal arts requirement because the liberal arts departments were dead-set against having women. Yeah, it might seem strange now but actually back then, hard sciences like math and physics were thought to be more suitable for women and a great preparation for household management and other female respo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 03:54 PM
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Could the average man vote for most of human history? You can't compare men and women of different social classes, otherwise you might as well say women had all the power and men had none if you compared the queen to a common peasant. You have to compare men and women in the same social class. Could an average man vote for most of the human history? No. Could an average woman? No. Fine, no inequality here. Could a noble man in a certain society vote? Yes. Could a noble woman in the same society?…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 03:51 PM
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Back in 1900, who do you think was sending their daughters to college and then shipping them overseas to Frankfurt for graduate school? In UK, women weren't allowed to go to university until 1920.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 03:48 PM
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The primary question was to do with the differences in how women are attracted to 'confident' man who make them feel 'safe'-if there are next to no differences in our sexuality or psychology bar those socially conditioned by patriarchy and on an individual basis, as Gender Studies theorists once claimed. Men are just as attracted to confident women and repulsed by insecure women, it's just that men and women are socialised to display "confidence" in a different way. The "feminine confidence" is …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 03:44 PM
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do you know how many times I've asked out a girl and gotten yelled at in response? I'm pretty sure that says a lot more on the manner of your asking than those women's evilness. Be nice, be feminine, act like a lady, that's how you add value to a man's life What exactly does "act like a lady" mean? I'm not a "lady", I'm a woman. I'm not some fragile damsel in distress who worships men for so much as smiling as her. I treat men the same way I treat women - I try to be polite, but they're not goin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 12:48 PM
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Everyone either already a) shares that general view (as is the case with Canadians) No, you just think that they do, because people who disagree usually don't see the point in arguing. And I've only ever heard people say it as a joke, not literally mean it as a calculated fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/16 12:45 PM
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You don't need a vagina and a penis for 9 months. You need a vagina for 9 months and a penis for 9 seconds. That's scarce by both senses. ... you think a woman needs a penis for 9 seconds? Well, now I can see why you need Red Pill... And, no, you don't need a vagina for 9 months if you're not planning to have a baby. The vast majority of sex is for recreational purpose, not procreational. DNA only cares about how many copies it creates. And it is biology that drives most sexual behavior so that …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 11:40 PM
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Yes. I'm denying that. At least I deny that it's a universal thing. Red Pill, heck, the whole collective Reddit "wisdom" on men, women and dating, is solely based on American culture. In other countries, most men don't directly "ask out on a date". As for having to do more to stand out... are you fucking kidding? Women spend infinitely more money than men on their appearance. They spend infinitely more time and effort on their appearance than men. In almost every developed country there are more…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 11:37 PM
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most women age badly Most American women, maybe. Or British (I live in UK now and I'm amazed how many more overweight and obese people there are here than in my home country, both men and women). Really depends on the lifestyle. There's a huge binge drinking culture in the UK, which isn't really a thing in my country, not nearly to the same degree, at least, and a lot more junk food.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:27 PM
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Masochism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:12 PM
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Does not change the fact that sown are plentiful and wombs are not. It doesn't change the fact, but the fact doesn't mean anything. There are about as many vaginas out there as penises. You only see wombs as "scarce" because you're attracted to them so you want them, but not that many are attracted to you. If suddenly most of the human population was wiped out and there were 5 men and 5 women left in the whole world, of course we would see women as "scarce" even though technically there was an e…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:08 PM
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So unless there is correlation between appeasing facial features to fertility it ain't applicable Yes, there is. You're more attracted to youthful-looking facial features because young women are more fertile. It's the same with men too, you don't see 50 year olds on erotic novel covers.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:02 PM
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I don't think this should count. Seems like they died virgins simply because they didn't have time/chance to have sex, if they lived 20 more years they'd most probably have had sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 08:34 PM
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Muscles mean you are motivated, disciplined and strong. And big boobs and youthful skin roughly means a woman is fertile, so why don't you say men are attracted to fertility rather than visually attracted to looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 08:30 PM
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Yeah, and women are expected to just lounge on the sofa and eat bonbons all day every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 08:27 PM
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Yeah, because apparently you have nothing to say to this. And this is because even you yourself know deep down that you could never prove something as subjective, relative and vague as that. It's just impossible to prove. You could calculate how many hours men and women work per week, but even if the numbers are very similar or the same (as they are in my country), you could just claim it doesn't matter because men don't care how much women work or earn. You could fish out some studies comparing…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 08:24 PM
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"Canadians are polite" they don't mean that literally every single Canadian ever born was polite. Yeah, they mean "most Canadians are polite", but they can't prove it either. It's just their own personal opinion made from selection bias, but they present it as if it's a natural fact. The same way Red Pillers claim that [most] women are lazy, immature, solipsistic, etc... without ever actually proving their points.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 08:11 PM
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Exceptions don't disprove generalities. In fact, they don't disprove rules either. A rule must firstly be proved. I ask again, have you personally proved that women, as a rule, bring nothing to the table? If not, has anybody else actually proved that? I'll be generous, if somebody proved that 51% women bring nothing to the table, I'll accept this as "most women", even though that 1% would actually be statistically insignificant. Go on, prove it. But first don't forget to define exactly what does…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 07:40 PM
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Do you really think he believes every single woman on the planet brings nothing to the table? Because he didn't fucking specify otherwise. This is exactly one of the multiple reasons why Red Pill is such bullshit - they focus more on sounding edgy and cool, and of course absolute statement sound much more edgy than clarifying them with less impressive-soundind "some women are like that, a number of women like this", etc. And then when you point out to them what their statement literally meant, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 07:35 PM
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And what exactly does "work fucking hard" mean to you? Be a CEO or engineer? Because most men aren't those. Work 60-80 hours? Most men don't work that many either. Here in Europe, it's very uncommon to work more than 45 hours unless you're some sort of top manager.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 07:26 PM
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If all you want is a wet hole, why do you even seek a relationship or marriage at all? A FWB would do. No, not even a FWB, because that would still imply some sort of intimate connection. Why don't you just go to a prostitute or have casual sex? It's like buying a smartphone when literally the only thing you do with your phone is make calls. Oh wait... and can spoil me when I want to be spoiled. I hate to burst your bubble, but this would fall under "validation" and "emotional support". And prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 07:22 PM
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There are over 7 billion people in the world. It doesn't matter how many children men and women can make, it's not a competition because there's no need for one - there are more than enough humans on the planet. And a man doesn't make a child, he just gives a glob of his genetic material. This is exactly why he can spawn so many - because he's not the one doing all the work. One jizz =/= 9 months of growing a whole new human being from scratch in your own body, sacrificing your own energy and bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 07:15 PM
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You joke, but this is actually what I said once. It was an interesting experiment. "So, hey, Red Pillers... You want sex, right?" "Yes." "You want it so much it doesn't even matter who it is, anybody would do as long as it was consensual?" "Yes." "And who have you tried asking for sex?" "Women, of any SMW. Nobody agreed." "Do you think gay men have an easy time getting sex?" "Yeah, of course, I've heard it's super easy for them, after all, men are horny all the time." "So have you asked gay men?…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 07:11 PM
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When they actually try it, it's not described as a pleasant experience. Maybe it could be because women's bodies aren't designed to handle the same amount of testosterone that men have... and neither are men's bodies designed to handle the same amount of testosterone that women have... That's why studies where men and women are being pumped testosterone/estrogen or transgender experiences shouldn't be taken at face value. "I got my male body pumped the same level of estrogen and other hormones t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 07:04 PM
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because if it wasn't this would be a solution for some men (not all, but some), and this would upset the market equilibrium by easing demand. Newsflash: prostitution is legal in some countries, and they're still functioning just fine. It attracts a certain type of men and makes them happy, the other men are still living the same way they would if it was illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 05:47 PM
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You see sexuality and personhood in women as two completely separate thing - if a woman chooses one, she can't have another. That's a completely fucked up way, also called "madonna/whore" complex. A woman can want casual sex and not have her whole identity reduced only to her vagina. She can spend the whole Friday night fucking 10 different guy, and spend the other 6 days of the week doing completely different things like studying, learning a new language that she loves, have a lot of fun painti…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 05:45 PM
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That counts as being horny. Yeah, I know it might come off as a huge surprise to you, but women get horny too, and want physical contact with men. That doesn't mean they want to be reduced to only their holes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 05:41 PM
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Maybe because that's what most of those men actually say. I very rarely hear a Terper say "men want intimacy", it's much more often said about women. What they say is "sex is the most important thing in a man's life and that's all they want, a man would fuck any vagina that's still alive". If you want men to be seen as wanting something more from women than a wet hole, then stop saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 05:39 PM
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The thing about humans is that it's never enough for them. Whatever they have, they still want more. Many Terpers or "FA" Redditor say how much they want sex and if only they could get sex, they would feel happy. But then, whenever I ask them about prostitutes, they admit they still wouldn't feel happy because they want to be actually desired by women. When I ask whether they would feel happy if they could have all the sex they wanted anytime, anywhere, many say they would, but then come several…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 05:36 PM
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They are currently bringing nothing to the table. Have you personally investigated the relationships of all currently living ~4 billion women in the world and scientifically analysed them to compare the ratio of what they and their partner brings to relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 05:25 PM
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That's all nice and good, but women aren't dogs. They're humans just like men, capable of higher consciousness and much higher intelligence than animals. If you see women exactly the same way as you see your dog... that says a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 05:21 PM
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Isn't the defenition of misogynistic to hate women? Not necessarily hate, but view them with scorn or see them as inferior, less of human beings than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 05:19 PM
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What I got from this thread is that, no matter what women do, they can't win. If they strive to work hard, earn their own money, take on responsibilities, it means nothing because men don't care about any of that, all they want from women is sex, or babies. But if women only give men that, then they're still useless because the only contribution they make is their vaginas.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 05:00 PM
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So basically, if a woman brings anything else to her table than her uterus, she's being a man. The only thing women are good for is being baby incubators and wet holes for sex, if a woman strives for anything else, she's trying to be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 04:55 PM
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So are eggs. There are currently ~4 billion women in the world, at least ~2,5 billion of them of fertile age. We're not running out of eggs anytime soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 04:54 PM
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It's possible for women to do this too, just uncommon I don't know where you live, but where I live, the vast majority of women do work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 04:49 PM
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Sex is really important to some people. It's a physiological need. Then let's just stop here and agree with each other, because I do agree with that - sex is a strong physiological need. I'm just pretty sure it would be impossible to want sex if you were completely starved, worn down and hypothermic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 10:49 AM
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Then the pyramid is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 10:47 AM
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Sex does come before shelter on the pyramid, so yeah I could see that people might feel that way. Being homeless doesn't mean you'll die. Yeah, no, it's just that privileged kids who grew up taking all the comforts - warm, clean and safe home, hot water, legal security network and the social status of being a "normal" lawful citizen, hygiene products, plentiful food, modern medicine, washing machine and all the other equipment - for granted, spend half their waking lives glued to the computer sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 11:59 PM
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Maybe we both use this phrase in a different way, but "feeling dead inside" to me sounds very different than just being generally disappointed. Yes, of course we don't always get what we want. I do feel disappointed at some things in my life, like having a speech impediment and an autoimmune skin condition, but if I felt like I was "dead inside", I'd become really concerned.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 09:11 PM
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Then why limit it to sex? Many things can cause it when taken it to an extreme. Having a job you don't like can cause this. Having a bad family situation can cause this. Becoming broke can cause this. So why is lack of sex somehow elevated above all of those as the absolute worst thing that could ever happen to a person man because women have very feeble sex drives and wouldn't understand ?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 08:04 PM
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but I have to admit - it makes me feel very dead inside... maybe this part? Doesn't sound healthy at all to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 07:44 PM
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I think you should try therapy or getting some help elsewhere. I don't mean it as an insult - it sounds like you have it pretty bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 07:10 PM
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So what about anything you mentioned invalidates the point about sex being an essential part of life and not getting it can make someone psychologically desperate? I was arguing against the claim that not getting sex literally kills you, not that not getting sex can make people desperate. If your whole point is: Food is more important than sex because you'll die without it...Yeah. duh. Yes, exactly, it should seem "duh" to many sane person... Yet I was arguing against a whole horde of people who…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:28 PM
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on the same You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:25 PM
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This could literally be a quote from XIX century ethnocentric white male anthropologist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:56 PM
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Because starving kills you while sex doesn't. Sex is a NEED, for sure. But it's not on the same level as basic human needs that literally cause you to die in a direct biological way. It's a need in another large category, but one below - the same as the need for physical safety, shelter, basic comforts and human contact. These are all very important needs - but they're still not the same as oxygen, sleep, food and water. Not getting those other needs could perhaps indirectly cause you to die - m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:43 PM
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Starve yourself. I guarantee you'r lose your libido pretty quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:38 PM
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Yeah, everybody knows women have such weak sex drives and don't really think much about sex at all. Doesn't mean that women are biologically designed to literally go at it for hours and hours if they wanted to, and have a whole separate organ in their bodies designed solely for sexual pleasure, something which men don't have. Or the fact that various societies had to put down severe laws and punishments to keep women from getting sex. Heck, in somewhere like Saudi Arabia you could literally get …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:37 PM
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[except without the dying part] Yeah, such a minor difference, it should barely count.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:31 PM
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Dude, have you ever tried so much as spending a year living in a tent in a wilderness, let alone actually be homeless? Heck, have you tried spending more than 2 weeks without internet? I hope you're, like, 14.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:24 PM
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Just curious, how old are you? I can't imagine anybody older than 25 making this statement. It's hard to imagine anybody older than 19 making this statement, but I'll be generous.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:18 PM
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And you will never experience what a woman's sex drive could be, but somehow Red Pillers assume they know all there is about women's sexuality and can claim for sure that no woman ever wants sex as much as a man does.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:16 PM
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Don't move the goalposts. Now you're talking about the difference between a happy and fulfilling life instead of "empty" life, but the original statement was that lack of sex doesn't cause biological death, not metaphorical "death" as in, unhappy or purposeless life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:13 PM
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Show me a person who literally died because of lack of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:11 PM
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if you are incapable of having sex for upwards of 1/4 of 1/3 of your life-span, desperation will completely rule your brain on a biological level. The psychological effects of not getting sex, while definitely harmful, are nothing like physical effects of not getting sleep, food or water - all that literally kills people, and pretty fast. Not getting sex is sad and psychologically torturing, but it's not lethal, and it's far below the other psychological needs. Ban a man from having any water, f…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:56 PM
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Fun fact: not getting water makes you die. Not getting sex doesn't. If you don't believe it, you can very easily test it by trying to go without sex for 1 month (masturbation is allowed) and then go without any water for 1 month. It will blow your mind, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:52 PM
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Every time Red Pill discusses the differences between men and women, I discover that I and at least 40% of women I know are actually men. Nice to have something that informs you of your actual sex when your genitals and everything else about you is constantly lying to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:49 PM
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"Hey, handsome, I own a fertile and working uterus." Guy immediately swoons
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:44 PM
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That's actually a myth. Men have a much easier time getting away from childcare, they're not expected to be nearly as involved as women are. Switching back and forth between tasks is a skill that, like any skill, can be improved. Women who are great at jugging childcare with household chores and multiple other responsibilities are great at it because they worked hard to get used to the workload and stress, learned to plan their time well, pay attention to their children and often put their needs…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 03:40 PM
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Middle Eastern women I don't know about actual Middle Eastern countries but I live in UK and the vast majority of older Middle Eastern Muslim women are obese, only the student-aged women look thin. Also, in those countries women actually have very high obesity rates, much higher than men, while in most Western countries it's the other way around - more overweight and obese men than women (so much for Terpers blaming Western women for getting fat when the men are getting even fatter but don't rec…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 08:08 PM
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I meant figuratively. The whole "justice boner" thing. "Equal rights, equal lefts", "Equality, bitches!", etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 05:23 PM
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If you're drunk you could fall over / injure yourself from inebriation. You're confusing getting drunk with drinking. Almost everybody I have this conversation with does.These are not. The Same. At all. Of course you shouldn't get drunk while pregnant, not only because of the harm to foetus but the ways you could accidentally get injured if drunk. Alcohol is a useless risk because it yields no benefit from doing it.. Red wine is rich in antioxidant flavonoid which has multiple benefits, and red …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 04:20 PM
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any risk is too much of a risk. I can understand this view, but only when it's applied to everything, not cherry-picked only when alcohol is involved, as it usually is. If you got pregnant, would you track your diet 100% and track the levels of every vitamin and mineral you consume daily and make sure to get 100% RDI on all of them? No? Why not? Even one single nutrient deficiency can have a risk for the baby's development in future, no matter how small the risk. Would you ever eat just an ounce…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 03:46 PM
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Why not "if you're planning to get pregnant in near future, don't drink" instead? If you drink while not using birth control and get pregnant, you can still have abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 03:36 PM
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The claims in Sex at Dawn are manifold, and both sides base their views on very limited evidence, because our sources from the Pleistocene are poor. The same can be said about any evo-psych book. Heck, the whole field is based on, like, 20% actual evidence and 80% speculations. But I've read the book and it had more solid science than any Red Pill theories I've seen so far. It would be foolish to take it as undeniable proof... but equally as foolish to disregard it just because it's different fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 03:24 PM
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They would however, have known that it only took one man to get a woman pregnant Only if all women were restricted to only having sex with one man, aka strict monogamy, and this is not the case in many hunter-gatherer societies. If, let's say, there was a society where women were having sex with multiple men all the time, there would be absolutely no way to tell who's the father. If anything, it would be hard to figure out sex causes pregnancy at all. There's a 9 month gap between conception and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 03:21 PM
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None of this is anti-women. I'd say getting a boner at the sight of a woman being thrown at the ground and having her jaw broken when she merely slightly pushed a man comes pretty close.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 03:14 PM
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If we're talking about wartime, we're likely talking nationalistically, not globally. USA still has one of the biggest populations in the world, only rivalled by a few countries. Even if many women died, the rest of the women could easily bring the birth rates up. All it would take would be the government offering some sort of benefits for families who have more than 2 children (they already do that in my country because the birthrates are extremely low now) nd otherwise make it economically fea…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 01:19 AM
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As birth control and abortion are becoming more available even in developing societies and gender roles are diminishing, fewer and fewer women are having babies. In almost all developed countries birth rates are declining. Who knows what they will be like when (or if) the next war begins. Also, we have to specify what kind of war we're talking about. If it's just an average war, then not that many men die, equal numbers of women could die and the population would still be fine. If we're talking …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 06:15 PM
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Yet somehow their comments get hundreds of upvotes and nobody calls them out on what they say but agrees with them. How could this possibly mean they're just "fringe opinions"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 04:16 PM
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If the men die at war, at least the women can continue childbearing and rearing. If the women die at war, we're screwed. There are currently over 7 billion humans on this Earth. We won't be "screwed" anytime soon. And how do you imagine the society would operate if all the men were killed anyway, and all the women got pregnant? They would only have help of the older women with the children and would have to all simultaneously take care of the babies and jump 100% to the workforce so that they ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 04:07 PM
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"I'll choose to spend the next 9 months in painful and uncomfortable misery and then spend hours in agony while risking my health and even my life, the next 2 years with having barely any sleep or free time and the next 18 months being legally and financially responsible for another human being, who would have to grow up in a war-wrecked world and possibly would hate me for bringing him/her into such a society. Yep, sounds sweet, let's go sperm-hunting!"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 04:04 PM
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So, if men are forced into draft, should women be forced into some kind of fertilisation camps when they will be forcibly impregnated and have to give birth? Because that's the only way it would be equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/16 04:01 PM
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However, everything she does is an addition, meaning without her I'd have to figure out how to do it myself, and should always know how to do so if necessary. Isn't it the same for her, though? I mean, presumably she did survive on her own when she was still single? Or did she go from living with her parents from living with you and never had to take care of herself, financially or otherwise? Many are very nice, but its obvious to me they put a lot of effort into having that career, and I'm not …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 07:04 PM
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I don't see any of this from a "safety" perspective at all, but by your definition sure, I am safe with my emotions around her. However, I still rely solely on myself to direct and/or control those emotions, and I'd have to do that if I were single as well. She may assist, but I still have to provide the foundation myself. I don't see any of this from a "safety" perspective at all, A lot of men don't, and this way they can completely ignore or not be aware of women's contribution in the relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 06:23 PM
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One day neurologists may pinpoint whether seeking a provider-mate is driven by natural instinct or cultural motivators, but until then the two seem effectively indistinguishable. As such, we might as well regard that as instinct. If it was an instinct, then it would be the case in all societies, but we don't see that. On the contrary, in certain societies we see that, for example, the grandmother's death decreases the children's survival a lot more than their father's death, because it's the gra…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 06:14 PM
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For instance: Trp would probably say that women are better homemakers, better caregivers, more emotionally connected, better at social interactions, etc. More emotionally connected but at the same time less empathetic and more solipsistic than men? Better homemakers but still need a man to make any important decision for them and to guide them? Better at social interactions, yet at the same time shallow, addicted to their smartphones, etc? Because these are things I constantly hear Red Pillers s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 05:49 PM
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You only mentioned financial safety and physical safety. What about emotional safety? Do you not trust your wife? Does she never help you? Never offers advice or comfort when you have a problem, feel sad or angry? Do you feel like you could tell her your secrets (at least certain ones) and she would keep them safe? Do you believe she understands you as a person, accepts you and loves you? All of those is emotional safety. Do they really not matter to you at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 05:44 PM
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I'd wager most men would rather have a woman whom they feel like they need to (and have the capability to) protect and keep safe, rather than a woman who can protect them Why does it have to be either or, why can't it be both? I think most people want both to protect their partner and feel protected by them. And by "protected" I don't mean physically. It's not like women's SOs and husbands are their bodyguards shielding them from physical threats 24/7. It's about emotional safety - knowing that …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 05:25 PM
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Thought so. Yeah, that's what happens when girls are socialised that they must wait for guys to make the move and shouldn't do it themselves. And then men say women are inherently passive or something. My mom straight up told me that only whores approach guys first, and she's considered pretty liberal by my country's standards. It's a good thing I was affected by that, but how many girls whose mothers told them the same thing were? Seemingly a lot, maybe most of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 03:08 PM
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I'd say most women grow out of this too. Oh, wait, I forgot Red Pillers believe women never mature past the age of 18, so there's no such thing as "growing out of something" for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:29 PM
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That many women are willing to tolerate as being treated as inferior by attractive &/or rich men is undeniable. Many men are also willing to be treated like shit by a very attractive women, but somehow you don't hear Terpers constantly saying that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:16 PM
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And a provider's purpose is to care for somebody who can not provide for their own needs, due perhaps to (maybe) a physical condition that renders a wide variety of tasks more difficult. Such as, say, pregnancy or nursing a small infant. All throughout the history, pregnant women have been providing for themselves just fine. They would often give birth and go back to work in just a few hours. In Aka tribe, women hunt together with men until 8 months pregnant. Western societies now see pregnancy …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:11 PM
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Nothing he said implied women suck Except this whole thread is full of Red Pillers going on about how women bring nothing to the table, are entitled, too dumb to pick up science, lack courage and confidence, want to be constantly coddled and protected by men without giving anything useful in return, etc. If you say you think women don't suck, but everything you say about women is negative and full of scorn, you can't blame me for not believing you. I have never, I repeat, NEVER, heard a Terper s…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:51 PM
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The comfort, safety, and security (both physical and emotional) that my husband brings to our marriage is extremely appealing to me. And men don't want the same things in relationship? Only women want to feel safe and secure while men want to be constantly scared, threatened, afraid and get no help and support? That's completely opposite from what I've heard any non-RP man say. Seriously, why are we gendering universal human traits? Wanting safety is a universal human trait. Just because men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:43 PM
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Red Pill logic. "The only thing men care about is getting their dick wet, it's their only goal in life and they'd do anything for it." "Why does society see men and uncouth monsters who only care about sex? Society hates masculinity! That's so misandrist!"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:37 PM
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Western societies aren't "overrun with feminism". Aside from Sweden, in any developed country only a minority of the population identify as feminists. Having laws that protect women from rape or discrimination =/= "matriarchal". If you want to see what "patriarchal society" really means, look at the Maasa in Kenya, or Saudi Arabians. Then tell me that men in Sweden on USA have it just as bad as Saudi Arabian or Maasai women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 01:31 PM
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I was also indiscriminately horny and would have slept with them had they made a move. Why didn't you make a move?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:21 AM
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We have more data in common with the chimp Women have one extremely important common feature with bonobo females - concealed ovulation. We're the only two mammal species that have it. Also, bonobos and chimps are evolutionary equally distant from humans. Bonobos also have less sexual dimorphism than chimps, human level of sexual dimorphism is closer to that of bonobos than chimps. Which one of those sounds more like humans given our knowledge of human history? That highly depends on a society. F…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:16 AM
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The Sumer and ancient Egypt were pretty gender-egalitarian, in ancient Egypt women actually had equal legal rights with men, and these were both very successful empires.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:02 AM
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What Red Pillers think evolutionary biology is and what evolutionary biology actually is often very different. They rarely give any sources either, just state something like it's a natural fact and call it "biotruth". I myself am quite into evolutionary biology and from all I've found, if Red Pillers knew about it, they wouldn't be so eager to use it to defend their beliefs... because a lot of it goes completely against Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 02:01 AM
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but frankly our modern lifestyle in the West simply doesn't provide for it. People go where the money is, not where their family lives. I live within an hours drive of my mother and a few other family members, but my wife is from out of state and has a 12 hour drive to family. it just isn't feasible for her extended family to be directly involved past Facebook and phone calls. It's less about lifestyle and more about values. American society is much more individualistic than many European societ…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 10:35 PM
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Yeah, but you said it yourself - it's the lifestyle, not that women have evolved to look completely broken down at 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 09:33 PM
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Many people in late 20s could still pass for somebody in their early 20s. Heck, in movies 16 year old high school students are being played by 23 year olds and most people don't even notice. It's much more about how well you take care of yourself. You know what's bad for skin? Sugar. It sets off the glycation process which destroys collagen. You know what else is bad for skin? Free radicals. And you know what protects against free radicals? Antioxidants. How many people have diets high in sugar …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 09:32 PM
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Likewise a man doesn't know what it is truly like to live as a woman, and any guess he makes is probably going to be wrong. Red Pillers don't seem to apply this to themselves, though, they think they know what women want and how they think and behave better than women themselves. Personally, I think the only case where a parent can be a better parent to the child of his/her own sex is when it's something specifically related to gender - puberty, dating, etc. Other than that, men and women really…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 02:50 PM
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Yeah, I'm sure most women want cruel and mean men who treat them like shit and see them as inferior subhumans unworthy of respect. Women hate men who are kind and think well of them. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 01:02 AM
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For someone who doesn't live around SJW's you seem pretty angry at them. I'm not angry at them, just disagree with them. For the record, I don't see SJW as feminism. I have nothing against reasonable, liberal feminism that's fighting for actual gender equality. But I've never heard a reasonable, sane, non-extremist person call themselves a "SJW". It's always the extremists. I just use that term to describe extremists. Do you think this is better? No, obviously not. But I believe the ideal is whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 12:39 AM
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Even your comment so perfectly illustrates how Terpers tend to think in black and white. Apparently you either believe men and women are exactly the same except genitals, or believe men and women are so completely different they have completely different desires in life and are basically aliens to each other, nothing in between. If women don't want to be respected by men, they sure do talk a lot about how they want to be respected. And wanting love, kindness, caring are fundamental human social …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 12:37 AM
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And actually its more for the teacher's protection than anything else. If a student decides to make a false accusation, being alone with said student leaves room for people to doubt your story. Well, that's the thing, where I live there's no "false accusation hysteria". These things don't really happen because, unlike in USA, there's no SJW witch hunt mob mentality (any type of feminism isn't very popular) - actually, if you really do get abused it's often very hard to get help and get people ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 11:02 PM
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Mentoring a 14 or 15 year old girl. For instance in a situation where the male is a camp counselor or a wilderness trip leader. I was in a summer camp when I was 15 and one of the leaders/supervisors was a guy, he was the most popular and loved leader, just a really funny and kind guy. He would even playfully touch us, like ruffle our hair, put his head on our shoulders, etc, that king of thing. But he didn't do that if he saw you didn't want to be touched. Nobody had any problem with that. I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 10:08 PM
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So what you're saying is that parents can only raise children of the same sex as them? If a couple only has boys, then only the father is a good parent and the mother is useless as a parent, or vice versa?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 10:03 PM
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It's incredibly difficult to raise children by yourself when you have to work a job as well. Who says you have to do it by yourself? You can hire a nanny, and not as some last resort "lesser of two evils", but as something actually beneficial for the child. My parents aren't divorced but I did have a nanny, she's my parents' old friend and she was my and my brother's nanny for years, we became really close and learned a lot from her, I consider her part of my family. She didn't deprive me of any…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 10:00 PM
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I just smile at women from 10ft away and they give me a funny look sometimes. Do you just smile at them like that, out of nowhere? Because usually people smile at strangers if they catch each other's eye and look at each other for a moment, and there's this feeling of vague mutual connection in the moment. Not just a completely random smile out of nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 09:52 PM
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Do you respect your cat? Do you respect your girl? I've read many Red Pillers claim that only men want to be respected, women don't. I guess that's their reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 09:31 PM
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I know that she is less intellectually capable Because of her individual skills and capabilities, or simply because she's a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 09:29 PM
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Platonic love, no. Romantic love, yes. In the case of romantic love, physical attraction is an extension of it. To my knowledge, most of those "FA" guys aren't lamenting that nobody loves them, they're lamenting that they don't have a girlfriend, or can't get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 07:42 PM
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Weren't there some experiments where people who looked into each other's eyes and said "I love you" enough times actually ended up being attracted to one another? Sounds interesting, but was the effect long-term? And did they just physically become attracted to each other? The power of wishful thinking and visualisation is backed up by science, but it's something you have to repeat regularly in order for it to be effective. but let's not pretend love is some magic force binding soulmates or what…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 07:27 PM
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If you have a good career, how can you not get attention from women? I thought career meant "status" and women are attracted to men's money?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 11:23 AM
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Don't you know sex is the most important human need? Who needs food, clothes or shelter when you haven't stuck your dick in a warm hole for ages /s
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 11:20 AM
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You could maybe make some sort of "charity dating" project where people would date unattractive people, but you can't fake love. You can't fake genuine attraction and genuinely caring about somebody. Those people using the services might initially feel happy, but then they see all those couples sharing real love and the complete fakeness of their relationship would start to disgust them. There are already services for people who can't get se, it's called prostitution. There's even escort service…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 11:18 AM
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If men found 80% of women unattractive, no one would be saying that men are victims of biological constructs, they'd be saying that men are pigs. Wait, did I miss something? I thought the 20% men get lots of casual sex while the rest of 80% men get little casual sex or are forced to enter monogamous relationships in order to get sex? (poor guys, what could be worse than faking a relationship just to get access to a wet hole)? Now it's stretched to mean that 80% of men are considered completely u…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 11:11 AM
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Her attractiveness slowly decreases from 21 onward ... you know that collagen doesn't even start decreasing until late 20s, right? Women don't start developing wrinkles and saggy skin at 21.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 03:13 AM
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I mean, are we supposed to excuse women because of a biological construct? Is this supposed to be "it's not women's fault that their standards are so high, it's biology!". If that were so, than we should also excuse men using physical strength to solve situations. Or men who rape. ... you're seriously saying rejecting a man is just as bad as beating somebody up or rating them? Since when is not finding somebody attractive a crime?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 02:57 AM
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Feminist is not necessarily egalitarian, depending on who you ask. I consider myself egalitarian but not a feminist (though not a MRA or Red Piller either).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 07:46 PM
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Or not necessarily feminist, just egalitarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 06:45 PM
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Ill give a distinct example. A while ago, when a girl used to ask me for help with something be it with a class or something else, I would answer immediately(via text), and help them without question. After I discovered TRP, if a girl asks me for help, I first make sure to say a cocky joke, like "For 50 dollars, sure thing", and then if I do help them, I make it clear through speaking that I am smarter on a specific subject, and better equipped to answer this request for help than others, and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 02:24 PM
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So any woman who's not conventionally attractive or at least average is not even a woman but some subhuman monster. I see.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 03:54 PM
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Which magazines, "Cosmo"? If you're reading that shit, then it's your own fault. Just because there are a couple of articles like that, doesn't mean the majority of women actually say that in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 04:23 PM
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is that you believe me to be sexist, based on nothing but your own projections? Not you personally. It's just that it's pretty hard to ignore the pattern where, when some experiment, survey or study shows results that match people's personal expectations, they tend to take them as a solid and unquestionable proof, but when the results are the opposite, people tend to nitpick and try their best to "debunk" it. For example, nobody on this thread seems to question the "most women prefer men to be d…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 04:22 PM
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You really shouldn't talk about things you have absolutely no clue about, you're just making a mockery of yourself. hunter gathers fought amongst each other constantly.. That's certainly not what we see in most hunter-gatherer communities today. And most Paleolithic remains show no signs of purposely inflicted wounds that resulted in their death. Neolithic farmers are a whole other story, they did have a lot of warfare, and the found remains show that. The average life span has never been this h…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 04:08 PM
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Yeah, like being completely ignored and invisible, to the point where men don't even notice when you leave the room? Like the experienced of these women? Oh, wait, I forgot, women are all liars and have no self-awareness so what they say is irrelevant /s
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 03:57 PM
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Exactly. But then you get men like Red Pillers saying that you have it really awesome because that man wanted to fuck you so you could have had sex with him, it's your own fault you didn't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 03:50 PM
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It may come as a shock to you, but most women actually want to have sex. They don't have to be forced to do it, they do it quite willingly with the men they're attracted to. If you go to any hunter-gatherer society which are unarguably much closer to the way humans have been living for thousands of years, you'll see men and women willing fucking left and right.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 03:49 PM
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Well, at least you're making the decision about not wanting to make decisions... so you still are making some decisions at least ;D
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 03:00 AM
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Healthier- ummm, you talking about the starving tribes in Africa? Yeah, just look at those Hadza bushmen. Totally starved, right? Zero muscle left.. This is also why the remains of Paleolithic people were found to have much better bones and teeth and taller stature than the "civilised" Neolithic men - actually, even taller than average Europeans today. Don't have to worry about crime- again, kidding right?? 3rd world countries have insanely high violence and rape, just look at the refugees that …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:59 AM
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In America, maybe, due to the influence of feminism. In most of the world, both men and women struggle to get help or sympathy from society when they need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:47 AM
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Thinking of women as your prey that wants to run away from you which you have to hunt down doesn't seem like a healthy view at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:42 AM
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Seriously? A woman who's had a plastic surgery or boob implants is almost universally considered undesirable by men, if they found out she's had it, at least (because in many cases when it's a good job, you can't tell). Men also often mock women who are overly obsessed with their appearance or spend a lot of time doing their hair on makeup. Women who naturally look great without makeup are seen as "superior" to those who put a thick layer of foundation every day. There's also making fun of women…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:39 AM
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Many women try to do it but are told by those men that women shouldn't be trusted with advice about what women want, that women are liars or don't even know what they want, etc. "Don't ask the fish how to fish, ask the fisherman" and that kind of shit. This is basically the norm on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:34 AM
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most women enjoy the idea of people having sympathy for them and feeling bad for them. The very subreddit of Red Pill and Mens' Rights movement is proof that tons of men want the sympathy of other men and society in general, or some even relish in being victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:31 AM
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There are tons of women who don't wear high heels.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:26 AM
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My issue is with conclusions 2, 3 & 4. The issues being the same issues you always run into with self-reported data. Especially considering the data is not impartial, but based entirely upon someone trying to attract a potential mate - meaning they will downplay any faults and play up any virtues. My issue with what you said is that people only tend to bring this up when the results are not the ones they expected, based on their personal beliefs. Had this experiment showed the opposite results -…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:17 AM
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However, as women got older, the preference for wanting a dominant partner outside of bed receded. The Life Score for each bracket in chronological order was 0.70, 0.53, 0.43, 0.40, and 0.26. Women in the 38-70 age group were 4x as likely to want a balanced partner as a dominant partner. This may be the product of life experiences showing them a balanced partner is a better choice. I suspect this also has a lot to do with older women being more confident to break gender stereotypes. Younger wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:15 AM
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I never said they would be better leaders. If you could be a marine biologist but simply don't choose to because you have no interest in it, does this make you a coward? If you could learn to play trombone but don't because you hate the sound of trombone, does this make you a coward?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:09 AM
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Somebody just said that in every single culture of the world it's only men who give women gifts. I just provided an example of a pretty big and influential culture doing things the opposite way. Why does my example not count because most Terpers are Americans? Maybe in this XXI century era of internet and globalisation, it's time to get used to the fact that America is not the only country in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:08 AM
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And yet those people "living in the mud huts" work fewer hours than us, don't have to worry about crime or losing their things nearly as much as we do, are much healthier than us and have very intimate and close-knit social networks and support. Civilisation does have some benefits, obviously, but it did come with a price. It's a very ethnocentric, arrogant and narrow-minded view to think that what we have now is objectively superior in every single aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 02:01 AM
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A company has tens or even hundreds of employees and they all have strictly defined and divided roles. It would be impossible for all of them to be equal and make decisions equally. A relationship or marriage only involves 2 people. It's pretty easy for 2 people to communicate as a team or partners. Besides, a relationship doesn't have a strict purpose or all those other complexities companies have. You don't need a strict elaborate hierarchy to manage a relationship of 2 people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:58 AM
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Seriously, I hear all those Red Pillers saying women are expected to have zero responsibilities, where the hell do they live? I'm sure as fuck expected to graduate, get a good job and support myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:51 AM
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If you were still demanding to be allowed to be the one in charge even when the woman was better than you just because your ego demanded it... this doesn't say anything good about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:49 AM
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If you're not passive, why wouldn't you want to make decisions?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:47 AM
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women view men who submit to them Why does either of them have to "submit" to another? Why can't they both see each other as equals and share their power and responsibilities, be a team or partners instead of a boss and a subordinate?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:46 AM
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passive, cowardly, dull, neurotic, flighty and wishy washy. So not being a leader automatically means you're all that? Do you only consider leaders to be worthy of respect and everybody who's not a leader is pathetic and inferior?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:45 AM
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Maybe those men just don't want to be leaders, but they could if they wanted to. Or maybe they're just not the leader type, but that doesn' automatically mean they're dumb, cowardly, emotionally unstable or indecisive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:43 AM
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Him having a penis doesn't automatically make his every idea a good idea. You wishing it was true because this would save you from having any agency doesn't make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:40 AM
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What Terpers don't know is that all of those female models or celebrities they see actually work their asses off in the gym. That muscle definition doesn't come from nowhere. They also spend thousands every year and several hours every day hiding their every flaw and making themselves look perfect, while at the same time acting as if looking perfect is effortless to them - because women who are seen as too desperate about their appearance aren't considered attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:31 AM
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Imagine you had to eat only cabbage for the rest of your life. Nothing but cabbage. Now tell me that you would be genuinely happy with that and would never complain because every day you will thank God that you can eat this cabbage while so many kids in Africa are starving. No, that's not how it would go. That's not how human brain works. It's not the starving kids in Africa you'd be comparing yourself with, but every other person you know or ever met who can eat other foods than just cabbage. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:20 AM
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Here's a better analogy, I've used this before: your friend loves collecting post stamps. You give zero shit about them. However, for some unexplainable reason, your just happens upon post stamps wherever you goes. You're always given post stamps as gifts, randomly find them on the street, while he finds it very difficult to acquire post stamps. However, you're crazy about historical coins. You love collecting those coins, but they're extremely hard to come by. Now imagine how you felt if he, ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:10 AM
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Yes, it's possible for a woman to experience literally zero pleasure from sex if she's not attracted to the guy at all and/or if he completely sucks at sex. Why is it hard to believe that having a person who physically disgusts you be so intimately close to you, breathing on your neck, touching you can be a very unpleasant experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:03 AM
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More often it's even worse than that. "Tons of unattractive men who don't have other options would begrudgingly put their penis inside your vagina with you with a "meh, that'll do" attitude when drunk enough, do you realise how privileged and lucky you are? Oh, wait, you want to have a long-term relationship with a man who's actually attracted to you and likes you as a person, to share your life with him, be there for him and have him be there for you, *love each other? C'mon, that's such an unr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 01:01 AM
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Yeah, this is why engineers are known to be such Casanovas. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:50 AM
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I once saw a post on Red Pill about a man travelling by plane and being outraged that both the pilots were women. He was fully expecting the plane to crash, but of course that didn't happen. Poor guy, he was forced to spend several hours shivering in fear while the other passengers just chilled out normally just because he was convinced the feeble feeemale brain was incapable of operating a plane, even though they were specifically trained for this and received their qualifications.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:46 AM
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I don't know about you but my family and friends definitely expect me to get a job, pay the bills and taxes, manage my own house, then one day marry, have children, take care of them and raise them. As far as I know, those would fall under the "responsibility" category. And, yeah, even if we take the whole "women don't work outside home" stereotype (which is bullshit), it's funny how nobody here seems to think of childcare as a responsibility, even though it's seen as women's job. Women have had…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:42 AM
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society Which society, exactly? There are over 2000 different societies in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:39 AM
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If you want on lead, lead, no picking and choosing which parts. That's ridiculous. Nobody wants to be the leader in 100% every situation, every second of your life, 24/7. Just look at all those male CEOs going to doms for submissive sex. Most people want some balance in their lives. Being a leader can be fun if you like it, but if you do it too much, it becomes tiring - just like you'd get sick of anything if you were literally doing it 24/7. Like how I never see women fighting for equality in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:34 AM
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Women approach men all the time. They're not the sexually passive species they're made out to be. Could we just repost these two sentences all over Reddit so that they can finally sink in? Way too many people need to become aware of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:31 AM
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No man rejects a woman in his league. Pussy is too scarce for most men to dare doing that. Citation needed
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:27 AM
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Red Pillers love saying how men don't care about women's "status" at all, but I'm willing to bet this is definitely a factor for many men. There's an assumption that women don't have to do the asking out because if they're even half decent, they'll have hordes of men tripping over themselves to date them. So if a woman asks a man out, he might think "Wait, men should be doing this to her, why is she asking me out? Is there maybe something wrong with her that other men don't ask her out to the po…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:24 AM
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That's how it usually goes in most places outside USA. This whole "asking somebody out on a date" is pretty much an American thing. In most places, nobody explicitly asks anybody out, they just sort of fall together, just like you described.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:22 AM
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Monitor their heartrate during the date. Heart rate can mean various things. Faster heart beat can mean she's aroused by him, or scared of him, or just nervous.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:19 AM
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Create an artificial society with absolutely 0 gender roles, no gender socialising, just let people figure it out for themselves, bring absolutely no attention to their sex except the important physical stuff (like, menstruation and pregnancy information, general sex ex, etc). See how this society turns out to be. Too bad this is absolutely impossible, it would be the closest to "ultimate proof" I can imagine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:18 AM
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You mean a couple of articles that have exploded all over Reddit a few months ago and have been thrown around with glee and parroted like crazy ever since. "Hundreds and hundreds", my ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:10 AM
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Women who fit all the TRP criteria of "typical woman" probably don't even exist at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:03 AM
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Writing is male-dominanced? Maybe somewhere in XIX century, but certainly not anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/16 12:01 AM
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I'm pretty sure it's just that when you hear those jokes, they now have a personal association to you so they affect you more. It's kind of like, usually I find morbid humour about death funny, but if somebody close to me died, I sure as hell wouldn't find those jokes funny for a long time, maybe years. But many people tend to write everything off to hormones when it comes to women, especially pregnant women or those who've just had children.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:58 PM
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I'm pretty sure autistic women don't exactly have hordes of men willing to date them either. Heck, on AskMen one of the most common dealbreakers I see is having anxiety or depression, or have had them at some point of your life, and autism is certainly something bigger. This is just one more attempt to make women look evil, while men are no different.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:55 PM
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I think it's definitely a prevailing belief here on Reddit. In real life I haven't noticed such a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:51 PM
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Any book on evo-psych will get torn to shreds by some critic or another, because it's virtually impossible to write a book on this topic with no controversiality, non-pc (or, the opposite, too "utopian-soundig") or sensitive spots.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:47 PM
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Most of the actual evolutionary psychologists/biologists don't want anything to do with the whole pseudo-pop-evo-psych culture on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:44 PM
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If TRP didn't have generalisations, it wouldn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:42 PM
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Do you not get a free iPhone every time you walk into an Apple store? Honestly, I can't even remember the last time I had to pay for my groceries, I just make sure to go to a male cashier and they pay for all my shit. I also got my university diploma by sucking off all my lecturers and getting the male students do all my homework and assignments. If that's not how it works for you, you should check your Female Privilege card, it might be defective or expired. Yeah, forgot to mention, the card ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:39 PM
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Women are simply handed acceptance and validation. A pretty girl can get all she ever wants by simply being a pretty girl. Women don't make friends with other women just because they look pretty. Women don't give attention or gifts to other women just because they look pretty. Most women don't treat attractive women any better, maybe even worse actually. Pretty sure women still have to develop personality in order to make friends and generally be likeable by people who don't want to have sex wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:36 PM
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I don't understand why people are comparing male vs female funniness using comedians as an example. A small minority of professionals who earn living by telling jokes =/= the rest of the human population. Especially not when it's so imbalanced gender-wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:34 PM
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Most women don't neatly fit into the "stereotypical woman" caricature, just like most men don't neatly fit into the "stereotypical man" caricature.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:27 PM
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Different in some ways? Yes. Different in all way? Definitely not. Both men and women belong to the same species, they share very similar physical features (all the same organs except reproductive ones, the exact same limbs, etc), almost the same brain, the same amount of intellectual capacities on average, the same range of emotions, etc. There's a huge space in between "men and women are exactly the same" and "men and women are completely, utterly different and have no similarities at all". Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:25 PM
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Wow, 8% difference now, and only 1-2% difference previously. This is clearly an undeniable proof that only women want relationships and men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:21 PM
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Valentines is coming up, who do you think is going to be making plans, the guy or girl? In Japan, women are the ones giving men chocolate gifts on Valentine's day.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:13 PM
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Yeah, because that's all there is to it /s all women are genetically designed to have hourglass figures, big almond-shaped eyes, luscious hair, perfect jawline, small frame and generally look like Marilyn Monroe or Scarlet Johansson, also have all this money to wax their whole bodies every day and spend 2-3 hours on their nails, makeup and hair everyday /s
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 11:12 PM
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I mean that I think women would prefer a man who was submissive in the bedroom and a rock star at life / outwardly confident than a guy who was dominant in the bedroom but a loser otherwise. You'd be surprised how shitty dating a rock star, or any popular musician, could be. They spend a lot of time away on gigs and tours. Pretty sure a lot of women wouldn't choose to date someone with that lifestyle, at least if they knew what it's going to be like. As for "loser", that really depends on what's…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 03:15 PM
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So you equate being submissive with being a loser? I don't know about that one, but I've heard that many powerful men seek female doms.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 12:25 AM
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Since when does strangling equal domination? I've seen many cases where Red Pillers advise choking as a means to exert domination during sex, without first communicating with the woman and finding out whether she actually enjoys it. Being dominant is a way of being. You don't actually have to do anything to be dominant. ... how exactly are you dominant without doing anything? Wouldn't that actually be submissive? Or at least passive, but being passive is usually seen as submissive. The issue is …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 10:22 PM
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Half of the women admit they want dominant men. Way more than that if you phrase the question differently. They match my beliefs just fine. My belief is that women are individual human beings and have different preferences. The survey shows that women's preferences are split pretty evenly. I'd be equally surprised if 100% women said they want balanced relationship, I'd have a hard time believing it. I really don't know what it would take for Red Pillers to start believing that women don't all ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 08:25 PM
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The trick is - if she has to ask you/tell you, it's no longer romantic. Yeah, it's definitely a lot more romantic to, say, start strangling her during sex out of nowhere because you just assume that she'll enjoy it - after all, women enjoy being dominated, right, and communication is so unsexy /s
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 06:22 PM
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"The survey results don't match my person beliefs so I'll just deem that they're lying about the results I disagree with but are being honest with the ones I agree with."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 04:01 PM
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In my country most people over-middle age are somewhat overweight (I've never seen a morbidly obese person, though) but most young people are normal weight. Believe me or not, it doesn't really change anything, it's just that the definition of "average" changes. Not being fat doesn't put you above average, it's one of the bare minimum requirements to be average.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 01:07 AM
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If only they specified that instead of acting like America = the whole world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 01:04 AM
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Plenty of girls at my high school fawned over the attractive assistant principal who was at least in his mid-30's. Plenty of boys in schools fawn over hot 35 year old female teachers as well. As far as I'm aware, 35 is still young. I highly doubt those girls in your school are attracted to 55 or older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:56 AM
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For me it was the opposite. When I was 18 or even younger, I'd constantly find 45-55 year old men quite hot (well, if they were hot to begin with). Now, at 21, I noticed that the upper age limit above which I don't find a man attractive anymore is around 35, in some cases 40. I can now more easily tell men's age from their face, and even a 5 year difference seems very obvious to me in a lot of cases. Whenever I see an attractive 40-45 year old man, all I can think is: damn, they must have been r…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:53 AM
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Assumes she lives in America, one of the few countries where she'd be able to pull this off and actually have a good life and get a lot of money from this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:48 AM
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I've seen some Red Pillers claim the wall is at 25, 23 or even younger, at that point fertility is still very high.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:40 AM
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Well, it's hard to appear completely confident when doing something you've never done before. Being drunk probably helped.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:33 AM
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Also most women don't orgasm via sex. You mean, by PIV alone, because most women do orgasm when clitoris is involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:32 AM
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Some people have a hard time believing that women can actually love sex, love the physical feeling of sex itself, not just the warm fuzzies they get emotionally from having sex with someone they love. The very fact that women have an organ that has a sole purpose of providing sexual pleasure - the clitoris - should be enough to prove that women have evolved to like sex, just like men have.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:29 AM
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emotional tampon Normal people call it caring about someone you love.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:23 AM
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Experienced women definitely can tell the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:17 AM
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I'm pretty sure women still go to new places, try new things or meet new people without having to hold a man's hand. This idea seems more like a wishful thinking ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:14 AM
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It does when 0 of them said they prefer submissive men. If the only two options where either dominant and submissive, you'd be right. But there's a third option, the middle ground between the extremes - equal/balanced relationship. Half of women in the survey preferred this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:06 AM
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From a man's perspective, he would rather be a little over-dominant than a little under-dominant Or he could just, you know, find out what that particular woman wants instead of having to blindly make risky guesses. As much as many Terpers seem unable to grasp this, women are individual peoeple, not a sardine flock. Why not just find out what that particular woman wants instead of making a risky guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/16 12:04 AM
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Not necessarily. Plenty of people outside BDSM don't like to confine themselves to just one role.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:59 PM
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OK Cupid data is not some universal proof. Not every single woman in the world is on OK Cupid. Actually, probably only about 3% of the world's female population is on OK Cupid. Claiming that no one wants a submissive man while relying on such a meagre sample size is just downright ridiculous. Besides, what do you think the other part of "equal" is? Submissive. If you're 100% dominant, then you're just "dominant". "Equal" requires you to be around 50/50 dominant and submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:58 PM
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First of all, dominance in bed =/= dominance in general. Just because a woman wants a man to dominate her in bed doesn't mean she wants him to boss her around, control her and/or make all the decisions in other areas of her life. And, you literally said that half of the women preferred dominant men while other half preferred "balanced" (I assume this means, equal relationship, both partners sharing power equally). I don't know how you turned that into "women strongly prefer dominant men".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 11:54 PM
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Because I've finally broken the bad habit of lurking on Reddit every day for too long, now I only come there occasionally, so if I see an interesting post I've missed I comment on it, even if it's older. I've had plenty of people reply to my comments that are several months old and never thought it was weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/16 04:03 PM
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Is there something wrong with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 10:27 PM
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There's a correlation between being black and being a criminal. Does that mean you should not befriend or date black people because you suspect they might be criminals?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/16 12:09 AM
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A man could die in those days from causes that have absolutely nothing to do with how good or bad his genes were - violent conflict, virulent disease, killed by a wild animal, natural disaster, etc. All of these have everything to do with genes. Why do you think it's called "survival of the fittest" and "natural selection"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 09:00 PM
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Compared to most animals our kids suck, we have to carry them for much longer than other animals. Yeah, and in hunter-gatherer societies women usually carry them on their backs, that has a double benefit of allowing them to work and keeping the baby/toddler calm. Skin-to-skin contact is extremely important for them, in modern world we keep the babies in strollers and put them to sleep in a different room, it's not the same in hunter-gatherer societies. Also, unlike in today's modern societies wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 08:11 PM
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If you know anything about tribal life it's that women do almost all the work regarding gardening There's no gardening in hunter-gatherer societies. They don't grow things, they forage them. The women did a LOT of the lighter farm work because she couldn't do the heavy work. I'm not sure what you consider to be "heavy farm work", but they did pretty much the same work as men. You can still see women in undeveloped parts of the world ploughing, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 08:08 PM
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Correlation =/= causation. A lot of women and men who engage in casual sex a are uneducated about sex, or have poor education in general, that alone would be enough to partially explain the correlation with STDs, being less healthy and dying younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 07:56 PM
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All over the world women are getting jobs and providing for themselves due to their own skills, not generously be given out of pity by men in the name of gender equality. Women have always worked and had jobs in regions where feminism has never been a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 07:53 PM
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Our society values logic much more than emotions. "Emotional" is rarely considered a positive thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/15 10:38 AM
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I agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/15 09:34 AM
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Red Pillers are a much, much smaller group than 3,5 billion women all over the world. And they also have their official theories posted on sidebar, whereas there's no "list of things that all 3,5 billion women in the world believe in/act like".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 10:42 PM
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So, generalising Red Pillers is wrong but generalising women is right...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 10:35 PM
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"Nurturing" doesn't seem like a very respected or admired quality in Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 09:55 PM
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I've seen many of them claim that men's attractiveness increases from 30 by default, not just for rich men who exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 07:35 PM
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women are only willing to give it to a selected chosen fews. It's not "giving up". Vagina is not ice cream, there's not "less of it" every time they have sex. Women have sex with men they find attractive and with men who, they believe, will make for a good sex partner. Newsflash: most men don't really care that much about a woman's orgasm, and women often have a hard time getting orgasm than men. I know a few women who have no trouble orgasming and they have sex left and right with various men, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 05:17 PM
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its exhaustible because access to it is only possible for a handful of men. Exhaustible resource means that there's a finite amount of it and it diminishes with use. Sex doesn't diminish with use. Casual sex isn't something women have limited amount of and every time they have casual sex with someone, they spend some part of their "casual sex coins" and there's no way to replenish them. By your logic, snow would be an exhaustible resource because there are people who never see it due to living i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 05:01 PM
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TBP is a satire sub, it's meant to be read as satire.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 04:52 PM
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"but don't you dare saying women are worse than men at anything"-sort. Yeah, because there's nothing the vast majority of women are objectively biologically worse at than men, except some physical things. Even if men are on average a bit better than something, there are still plenty of women equally good or better at this. Even if women are on average better than something, there are still plenty of men equally good or better at it. Take the stereotype that men are better drivers, for example. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 04:52 PM
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Yes, it is an exhaustible material resource, because it is impossible to access for men unless they are far better-looking than the rest of the guys. That's not what exhaustible resource means. because it is impossible to access for men unless they are far better-looking than the rest of the guys. So... no man has ever had casual sex unless he looks like top 1% sexiest men? Do you seriously believe that? They're paying for the sex they have by being in a relationship, by being their girlfriends …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 04:44 PM
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The official is, 'women love opportunistically, men love idealistically' or to be more neutral, 'women love pragmatically, men love idealistically.' That sort of goes against the Red Pill notion that men are logical and women are emotional. Seems as bullshit to me as most of what Red Pill theories say.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 01:34 PM
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And women hit their potential peak at 18. At 18 most women's bodies still aren't finished developing. Me and a lot of other women I know still looked more like children at 18 and at 21 they have much more feminine facial structure. Neither men nor women start ageing the moment they hit 18. In hunter-gatherer societies, the average age of first pregnancy for women is 19,5.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 01:31 PM
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men who stay in shape, work on their career, and learn how to talk to women. So, a minority of men, then. At least where I live, most men and women in their 30s definitely let themselves go. And it's not like all men are rapidly advancing the career ladder at that age either, plenty of men just stay in the same job because they're not wildly ambitious, or don't have a good job to begin with. I find it interesting how Red Pill seems to see a "default" man as a rich and fit senior executive or som…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 01:29 PM
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all of the casual sex For fuck's sake... casual sex is not an exhaustible material resource. You can't "get all of it". The vast majority of men aren't "dying of sex thirst". The vast majority of adult men in the world aren't virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 01:26 PM
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Yes, I'm similarly outraged about generalising women in positive way, or men in negative way. Most positive generalisations about women only translate into negative ones - "women are so sweet, kind and nurturing... that's because they can only do emotion, they can't do logic so they shouldn't have jobs and should obey their husbands.". Men and women are human beings, the same species. They all have some common trends, but also many individual characteristics. By "individual" I don't mean each hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 01:15 PM
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Way to avoid answering.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 01:13 PM
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Men don't love unconditionally This is exactly what I've seen many Red Pillers claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 01:13 PM
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you are assuming that men and women are EXACTLY THE SAME. We are not. No, we're not. Most feminists agree men and women have some differences, it's only Red Pillers who believe men and women are so completely different they might as well be different species.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 01:09 PM
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All data shows that women have so much trouble bonding after being promiscuous that it will affect the stability of their marriages. Where is all this data? I've never seen Red Pillers post any actual sources, except some study that says women who did casual sex before marriage divorce more, completely ignoring that correlation =/= causation. Just as women begin development earlier, so do they END their development earlier than men. Mental development never ends. Humans never reach some age wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 01:02 PM
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Can you point out one positive quality Red Pill says that women have that men don't? Honour, loyalty, unconditional love, intellect, having an interesting personality (hobbies and such) - these are all said to be male qualities by Red Pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 01:01 PM
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TRP makes unflattering assessments about women. About all women, portraying women as some monolithic hivemind, not individual people. That's what's dehumanising about Red Pill - that they refuse to see women as individuals but reduce them to some single-minded organisms that are all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 01:00 PM
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men don't care about a woman's education In Pakistan, most medical students are women but most actual doctors (so far) are men, because most women who finish medical school don't practice, they go to medical school because it's considered prestigious for women to have a medical degree and they have more marriage prospects. How would that fit into "men don't care about education"?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 12:58 PM
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reduced to biological instincts Yet somehow at the same time more honourable, more loyal and able to love unconditionally, unlike women?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 12:56 PM
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There was a kick-boxer woman who won against her rapist by doing a triangle-choke on him. This woman fought off a rapist using karate.. This woman as well. And those women weren't even professional lifters. It's not completely impossible for a woman to win against a rapist - especially because most of them are probably not expecting them to fight back. I'm not calling it an "effective anti-rape strategy", I'm calling it "increasing your chances as much as possible in a case of rape" strategy. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 12:41 AM
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but most men who do some form of exercise can lift at least that much the first time they ever learn to deadlift. Many types of exercise can strengthen muscle, not just lifting. My dad is 56, used to exercise when he was young but stopped, now he definitely couldn't deadlift that much. And why does it even matter that she's not as strong as a man could be in her place? All that matters is that she's strong and physically competent. With her strength she could do well in military, firefighting or…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 12:03 AM
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Yes, but women can definitely gain muscle naturally. Do you really think that every woman who has visible muscle definition has been on steroids? I'm not talking about women who look like this, obviously. I'm talking about women like this. She's lifting over 100kg but she doesn't look extremely muscular. Because with muscle, a little goes a long way. You don't have to grow balloons under your skin in order to gain strength, you just have to follow a very dedicated and intense training regime alo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 11:01 PM
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Women don't have to inject themselves with testosterone to gain some muscle. Women already have some testosterone, and the amount they have is enough to gain considerable amount of strength after training a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/15 10:19 PM
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when almost every girl i know has a higher partner count than every guy. I'm curious, how could you possible know that? Do you really ask all your male and female friends and acquaintances how many people they've had sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 07:41 PM
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You can get all that without sororities/fraternities, though. That's what people in European universities do, and probably everywhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 07:39 PM
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I'm sure they'd be devastated to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 12:46 AM
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But a woman who lifts will not be able to rival even a sedentary man in physical strength. If she's a professional who's been lifting for many years, and big n stature, she could definitely be stronger than a small man who's never trained. The strongest woman in the world can bench 480 lb, she's definitely stronger than an untrained average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 12:22 AM
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Most women don't want to be in combat, construction workers, oil rig workers, etc. I'd say that neither do most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 12:13 AM
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If I were a woman, I would never leave the house without checking to make sure that my purse contained pepper spray, brass knuckles, and a tazer. That's just downright paranoid. No woman I know does that. Granted, I live in a pretty safe city (and in a European country where the crime rate is nowhere close to USA, if I lived in America I definitely wouldn't feel as safe). I know that if I was attacked, I probably couldn't defend myself (but I also don't think I could defend myself against a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 12:08 AM
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Red Pillers don't seem to believe stay at home dads with breadwinner wives even exist at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 12:03 AM
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"Your relationship defies my personal beliefs, therefore it must be fake."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 11:59 PM
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If your "sexual strategy" is "having casual sex with as many women as possible", then yes, maybe. But plenty of men are happy just being in a relationship with a woman they're attracted to where they get enough satisfying sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 04:31 PM
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The AF/BB thing is all over pop culture. Married men having a bad sex life is such a prevalent joke in all of pop culture that it's practically cliche to mention at this point. Alpha guys provide thrill and excitement - beta men provide security and stability. The "women like assholes" and "nice guys finish last" are also prevalent pop culture references. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but "pop culture references" =/= scientific data.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 03:30 AM
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If that were the case men would have no need for TRP at all. There are tons of men who have never heard of TRP but have pretty good sex lives/relationships. Are you assuming that every man who's not a Red Piller has zero sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 03:28 AM
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It's really not that hard to find a man who's both attractive and can offer security in relationship. This whole AF/BB dichotomy relies on the assumption that they're mutually exclusive and polar opposites. That's just a really narrow-minded way to look at that. Most people aren't one-dimensional caricatures.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 03:26 AM
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There are a lot more men than women in engineering, that could explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 03:23 AM
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men get into fights with guns and knives EVERY day There are tons of men who've never been in an armed fight their whole lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/15 04:58 PM
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Well, women are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 11:11 PM
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They embraced the provider role In most hunter-gatherer societies, it's women who provide most of the food. Hunter-gatherer societies are generally very small, close-knit and communal. They have a culture of sharing (which is not unconditional, of course, since everyone benefits from it, but still) and the lack of individualism that would be very hard for us to even understand. Needless to say this would have a positive emotional impact on both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 11:08 PM
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our conditions are pretty simple and reasonable. Every person thinks their conditions are simple and reasonable. Doesn't mean they actually are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 11:05 PM
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I don't need to interact with him. It's better if it's a video or a live guy and not an inanimate picture, easier to get into, but even with pictures, if I find a guy attractive, I get turned on at least a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 11:03 PM
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radical and third wave feminism isn't part of Japanese culture. Feminism itself may not be, but women's desires and choices definitely are. Even without feminism, many more women don't want their only identity to be that of a wife and mother, they want independence and fulfilment of their own personal goals and dreams. But married women and especially women with children face an extremely strong pressure to quit their jobs and become housewives. Many women who want to have a career opt out out o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 10:56 PM
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You can have equal value as a human being without equal assignment of skill, roles, and responsibilities. You can't have equal value if your voice is not considered equally important in the relationship and you don't have equal say in decision making. Red Pill promotes the "Captain and First Mate" relationship with strict hierarchy and very clear subordinate-dominant division. That's not a sort of relationship where men and women have equal value.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 10:52 PM
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The whole "marrying up" concept is invented by cherry-picking what is considered "up". Traditionally/historically, for women it was considered a win to marry someone richer than them, and for men to marry someone younger and more attractive than them. Basically, men's status was judged by money and women's status by beauty. You could say all people want to "marry up", or at least marry equal but not "down". Yet somehow the concept of "marrying up" was reinvented by conveniently redefining "up" b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 10:49 PM
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I'm a woman but I can and do get turned on by men who I have no emotional or mental connection to, and a lot of my female friends are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 10:46 PM
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Yeah, you pretty much summed it up. It's rare to come across somebody on Reddit who actually knows about these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:41 PM
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A woman could have had a child at 16 and that child could have had a child at 16, making the first woman a grandmother at age 32 - with natural death happening sometime between 35-45. The average age of first child in hunter-gatherer societies is 19-20 years old. 16 is the average age of menarche there. And, no, most people don't actually die at 35. The average lifespan is brought down by infant mortality rates, which are pretty big. If you survive childhood, you'd have a good chance of living u…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 02:16 AM
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You would have to undo decades of cultural training, which I'm not certain is possible. Only decades? If this was really some primal instinct, it would be millions of years, not decades. If it's just decades, it would mean it's definitely social conditioning, which wouldn't take that long to change. I mean, 60 years ago most people believed women shouldn't have a career, today most people in the West don't think so anymore. So you're proposing... what? We get more people killed for the sake of i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:57 AM
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but it's hard to track animals for days with a couple of small children on your back Yes, that's why they'd leave them with their grandmothers or aunts, etc. That's why women only hunt in societies where the social structure allows this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:42 AM
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Yeah, we'll see.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:22 AM
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Well, it's a good thing that you don't have the power to forbid women doing that, and no matter what your personal beliefs are, women all over the world are having a say over war, immigration and territory and there's nothing you can do to stop that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:12 AM
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I'm pretty sure they're not using steroids. Do you seriously think a woman who's not too short or petite couldn't train herself to be able to lift a man? I'd say at least 50% women could. Do you think this woman is on steroids too?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 01:06 AM
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So basically, women shouldn't have any say at all? They shouldn't be allowed to have vote or other privileges but they're also not allowed to join the military? How convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 12:58 AM
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All of the points you stated have nothing to do with women's actual ability but with people's reactions to men in military. miliatry women are considered whores by a vast number of RPs. Wouldn't a draft potentially limit the numbers of low-n virginal brides for those that want them? "Women being in military is bad because men find them less attractive." Seriously? This also carries the potential for more men having to answer to higher ranking women. I've seen enough in my short time in the milit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 12:55 AM
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But they do change the behavior of men on the battlefield, and reduce combat effectiveness. Maybe if men didn't believe women are fragile little flowers to be protected, this wouldn't happen. No better way to make them believe in women than those women proving themselves to be capable. And if that doesn't work... The argument is basically "You can't be in the military because I can't get over my personal beliefs about you." Not what I'd call a logical or valid argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 12:45 AM
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Here's a woman carrying two men. I'm pretty sure a lot of women could train to be able to carry one man. Yes, most men would be able to do it by default while women would have to train for it, but if you can train yourself to deadlift 200-fucking-50 kilos, then you can certainly lift a ~100 kg man. Of course this is a top level, even most women who lift wouldn't achieve that, but most could definitely achieve enough to be able to carry a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 12:43 AM
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Most people prefer relationships. Most people crave emotional intimacy and love, and one-night-stand with some random stranger isn't going to give you that. But, yes, they also crave novelty and sex, and if they can't get that in a relationship, they feel like being in a relationship isn't for them. Or the benefits of relationship don't outweigh the disadvantages for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 12:29 AM
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The woman most probably wanted to be with the man who was able to scare the animals away from the tribe with a big stick and who brought back the best food - hard things for her to manage when she's later got a couple of babies hanging on her sides. Ah, the whole "man the provider" myth again. In most hunter-gatherer societies, women actually provide most of the food while gathering, since it's less time consuming and more effective. It's a common practice in foraging societies for women to carr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 12:25 AM
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more so than any known human society Actually, a lot like most hunter-gatherer societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 12:21 AM
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You're probably wrong.. Rape would have been a shitty sexual strategy. People always seem to forget (or not even be aware of) that prehistorical societies were extremely different from current modern societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 12:18 AM
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And you'd just automatically assume that women are somehow unable to cooperate or fit into the culture but men are?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 12:10 AM
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Blue Pill doesn't deny that very attractive men have an easier time getting a lot of casual sex. The question is, whether the goal of all men is to have casual sex with as many as hot women as possible. Red Pillers seem to assume that's the case and don't even consider the possibility that many men actually prefer a relationship and aren't obsessed about having sex with a new woman every night.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 12:04 AM
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what really makes these sexist when the previous sentences weren't? The fact that they only rely on some gender stereotypes and cannot be objectively and undeniably proved.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/15 12:11 AM
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In prehistoric times some tribes experienced as high as 50% rate of death by violence In Neolithic times, not Paleolithic. There's a huge difference between the two. Agricultural revolution and animal husbandry gave rise to organised warfare. most of whom were men. This says differently. Tribes that allowed men to die first were able to recover and survive. Those that allowed women to die first did not. A tribe that is at war with other tribes would likely have a shortage of adult men. Without e…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 11:38 PM
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chemical pair bonding between mother and father, which is real and scientifically documented. Oxytocin, you mean? Such bonding can occur between any couple, or any two or more people. A tribe would be less likely to support someone who is 100% incapable of pulling their own weight as well as a child who is 100% incapable. I'm assuming you mean pregnant women are 100% incapable of pulling their own weight? That's far from true. Even in industrialised societies, most pregnant women have always wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:57 PM
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But yes, there's a large overlap: That's exactly what I meant, and what you can take from it. Judging from the picture, the overlap is even bigger than I'd have thought. The overlap isn't just between the shortest men and tallest women, it's closer to the middle.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:43 PM
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But this is still a hypothetical situation and not applicable in real life. There's no society in the world that has very few women and a lot of men - but there's also no society that has very few men and a lot of women. Because men are very useful to society. Giving birth isn't the only way you can be productive and valuable to a society, just one of the ways. A society with 50 men and 50 women would fare a lot better than a society with 1 man and 100 women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 10:15 PM
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The woman gives birth to one child every 2 years or so, receives plenty of help with provision and childcare from other men, thus very high chances of the children surviving. About half of those children would be girls. The girls would grow up and have children themselves. That's under ideal circumstances, of course. But either way, why does it have to be one extreme or another? Obviously both of them would be very critical conditions for the society.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:14 PM
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Marriage is culturally defined. Various cultures have various marriage rituals and norms. I'm not a Christian so I wouldn't be going for traditional Christian marriage. Either way, you don't know me, I don't think you should be suggesting whether I should one day marry or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:11 PM
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Then maybe the marriage ceremony itself should be changed. Personally I find these vows ridiculous and completely worthless. "Till death do us part" might sound romantic in a happy marriage, but in a bad marriage they're a death sentence. And nobody can know if they're really going to stay with that person for the rest of their lives. People can change a lot, and a lot can happen. If I ever get married, I wouldn't be saying vows like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:37 PM
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You're thinking this in theory, but try to imagine it on practice. You're assuming that all of those 100 women are of age or still fertile enough to give birth (funny, whenever I see this analogy, it's always assumed that all of the women are going to give birth... the old ones or infertile ones aren't even included into the category of "women" as if they're something else entirely or don't matter, or as if being able to bear children was the sole marker of what a "woman" is"). So, what about ol…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:32 PM
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men are neither supposed nor allowed to be dependent. Everybody is dependent on somebody. People are dependent on their employers to give them work and pay them, this sort of dependency is not much different from being dependent on your partner to financially support you. Companies are dependent on their customers and the market. All people are dependent on their government, and the government is also dependent on the people to some extend. Nobody is ever really independent, unless they complete…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:17 PM
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Exactly. It really depends a lot on the culture. In the West women might be seen as fragile and in need of protection, but this is largely from the whole medieval "dame cult" and chivalry, and the remaining Victorian valued on top of that. Other cultures didn't have the same concept of knighthood or Victorian values. Go somewhere like China or Japan and you wouldn't see men opening door for women, offering their seat or holding door for them. On the contrary, in Japan there's a custom of the wif…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:11 PM
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From what I'd seen, Italian men and women seem about equally emotional. They call it passion and portray it as positive quality for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:07 PM
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It's ridiculous to make claims that men and women make decisions by different factors while not specifying what kind of decisions they're making. There are many different kinds of decisions. "I am going to solve this problem by Pythagoras theorem" is a decision. "I am going to choose this road from A to B" is a decision. "I am going to eat a sandwich now" is a decision. "I am going to buy the blue shirt for the baby" is a decision. They all require different methods of coming to that decision. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 08:06 PM
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Knowing women on average reason more emotionally and men more rationally Yeah, that would be useful to know... If it was actually true and proved by science instead of just being one of the "men are from Mars, women are from Venus" gender tropes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:48 PM
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No, but there are overall trends where men are more commonly tall and women are more commonly short. The overlap between men and women of the same height across the world would be pretty big, though. Take a group of men from some Asian, African or Middle Eastern Countries where the average male height is 5'5 - 5'7, and take a group of women from some European countries where the average female height is 5'6, and you'd see a pretty big overlap.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:46 PM
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Newborns require almost full time care, which the mother had to provide (presumably). During that time someone else would need to support her or she (and her baby) would die. You forget that, for 99% of the human history, people didn't live in nuclear isolated families. Foraging societies used to be very communal (they still are, the existing ones). The kinship systems also aren't the same in all societies. In some, for example, the mother's uncle is considered the father of the child and has to…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:39 PM
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No, in most of them men and women are considered of equal status.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:30 PM
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Women select for good genes. A strong, fit and healthy-looking man would most likely also be a good hunter/provider. In many hunter-gatherer societies, it's actually women who provide most of the food, and grandmothers play a much bigger role in children's survival than fathers do. Anyway, in foraging societies there's no concept of private property, there's no accumulation of wealth and resources for individuals. In most of such tribes the hunters share the meat among themselves or give it equa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:30 PM
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Reveal their colourful plumage, put on a dancing show, decorate a nest in a pretty way, etc. Somehow I don't think those are included in Red Pill advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:26 PM
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So, you'd just suffer through a terrible marriage no matter what? What if your husband cheated, or was being abusive, or even was beating you? Also, what would you say to a husband who has a terrible wife, must he also stay married no matter what?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:17 PM
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This is a very good article explaining ego. Long, but well worth the read. It's actually about religion, how the current most popular religions as we know them came to be and how religion evolved from prehistoric hunter-gatherer societies to industrialised societies. The shift from foraging to agriculture caused a transformation in societal structure as well, especially the bond between people - foraging societies were small, closely-bonded and very communal, to such the level that it's hard for…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 07:09 PM
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I think if a woman feels she'll be judged for her answer or lose a chance to have sex with/date a man she wants to, she's very likely to lie. It has nothing to do with gender, most people choose to lie if the alternative is something bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 11:50 PM
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Pretty sure most people would still work, just not necessarily in the same job. Maybe they'd choose to be museum curators or marine biologists, or kindergarten teachers - something most people wouldn't choose because it doesn't pay or there's not much market for it. Also, you have to consider the difference between hating your actual job, hating the circumstances of your job, and just hating any kind of work in general. If you hate what you do, there's not much you can do about it, except choosi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 12:01 AM
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I'd say such women cause more of a gleeful reaction to most Terpers I've seen, "Ha, those sluts finally got what they deserved after years of CC!". Whereas many of them seem absolutely livid or utterly confused every time a male celebrity married a woman his own age instead of one 20 years younger, or a 40 year old woman banging 25 year old guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 10:34 PM
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working on my home business. I think when most people say "stay at home", they mean not having a job, or not earning any money. You still have a job and earn money, you're just physically doing it from your own home instead of going to the office.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 09:07 PM
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Believe it or not, there are actually people out there who love their jobs. Just because you personally hate working, doesn't mean every single person does.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 09:02 PM
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Most women never ever ask for head, change positions, are on the top or do anything even remotely dominant? Just lay there without saying a word and silently do whatever you tell them to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:12 PM
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So... wouldn't that mean you like it when women are at least partially dominant?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:08 PM
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So, basically, a revenge fantasy. Terpers must really hate women who still manage to date hot "alpha" guys when they're well past 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:06 PM
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Agreed, so what do most TRPers do to achieve this? Most on this thread implied (or outright said) that TRP doesn't give a fuck whether the woman has a good time or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 04:01 PM
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Nah, dead beadroom just means you have to use more dread /s
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:59 PM
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It's soooo obvious when a guy has taken cunnilingus pointers from male-targeted straight porn... because it's very, very bad. You mean that women are the ones who know what feels best for them and therefore can give much better advice than guys who don't even have a vagina in the first place? Who could have thought?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:58 PM
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The power of word of mouth. If you're looking to get laid in places like parties, clubs, bars, there's a chance you're going to meet the same people. or maybe there's the whole casual sex community out there. If a woman has shitty sex with you and tells all her friends, you're going to have harder time getting laid next time. Even if you only care about your own pleasure and don't give a fuck whether or not the woman liked it, it's still not doing you any good.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:56 PM
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Maybe they can trick one woman into having shitty sex with them, but the same woman wouldn't want to have sex with them again if the sex with him sucked the first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:53 PM
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I think it's because most of them don't really care how sex is for women, all that matters is that they're getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:52 PM
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What if the woman wants to change the position or tells you to give her head, would you just ignore it or be offended at it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:51 PM
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Make yourself as attractive as possible - be fit, take care of your hair, dress well, etc. Learn social skills
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 03:44 PM
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"You're a woman and therefore you're wrong". Truly scientific and legitimate way to win arguments. I have nothing to discuss with people like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 10:32 PM
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You seriously have the nerve to say that cheating means commitment? If those men were so loyal and committed, why did they cheat in the first place? So cheating for men does not equal lack of commitment? By your logic, then, if a woman fucks 50 men per week but still stays married, is she being committed? Oh wait, she's not, because blah blah, women and men are different, blah. It's only men who are conveniently allowed to cheat and still be called loyal, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 09:28 PM
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More men stay married after cheating not because they value commitment more, but because they think divorce will be worse for them (and maybe that's true). What commitment is there left after cheating? Physically staying in marriage after cheating is not commitment, after that point the marriage is already over, it's only there on paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 08:44 PM
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Statistics show that men and women are about equally likely to cheat. There are plenty of men who cheat not because she wife was awful but simply becaue they were bored of her or didn't find her attractive anymore. Claiming that biological differences somehow cause men to be morally superior to women is just stupid and has no basis at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 02:01 PM
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The problem with your research, which as you've noticed is relatively new, is that it's been tainted by the increasing left-wing shift in academia. Most serious research in neurology is clearly on the side of sexual dimorphism in human, contrary to what you write. Look up "Propaganda" on youtube to see how modern gender theory is held by all great scientists to be hogwash. You can't simply assume that research is invalid just because it doesn't agree with your personal beliefs about men and wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 01:58 PM
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Marriage doesn't create real commitment, only creates legal chains that make leaving more difficult. If the only thing that stops you from leaving is fear of being "divorce-raped" or something like that, the marriage has already failed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 12:18 PM
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Many of those differences have been debunked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 12:13 PM
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I had to write more than a few essays on gender differences in anthropology course and research the topic a lot. The vast majority of research that's not 50 year old suggests that there are very few actual mental differences between men and women. A lot of the previously thought "hardwired" differenced are mediated by various controls. There's also stereotype threat, or researching certain indigenous groups that are not patriarchal and where women have equal power to men or more power and findin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 12:06 PM
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Commitment doesn't automatically equal marriage. Any sort of exclusive relationship with expectations and responsibilities from each partner is commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 11:02 PM
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Human biology is nothing but simple. Human brain is one of the most complex things in the world and is still far from being fully researched and understood, any scientist could tell you that. Most of your "biotruths" are nothing more than cherry-picked pseudo-scientific bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 11:01 PM
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The elements of my beliefs that can be empirically measured, yes. And those who can't, or aren't backed up by science in any way, I never pretend that they are. I'm not inventing any "biotruths".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 10:12 PM
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If even Red Pillers themselves admit Red Pill has no basis in science (even when constantly claiming things like their "biotruths" as if they're facts, what makes them any different from, say, homeopathy or crystal healing believers? Why should I take them seriously at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 10:03 PM
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Yeah, nothing makes a movement sound as legitimate and reliable as refusing to back up their claims with actual science.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 09:59 PM
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That advantage is around 4 IQ points. It's not statistically significant at all. And anyway, there's a lot to do with stereotype threats and socioeconomical factors. Asian people have considerably higher IQ than white people, does it mean they're inherently more intelligent? Black people have lower IQ on average than white people, does it mean they're inherently intellectually inferior? Black women have higher IQ on average than black men and are twice as likely to have IQ over 120 than black me…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 09:55 PM
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The whole '"left hemisphere is logic, right hemisphere is emotion" thing is a myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 09:52 PM
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Yeah, it doesn't take too long to notice that more often than not Red Pillers say things like that as if it's as obvious and undeniable as "water freezes at 0C" without providing any real data to back it up. On the other hand, there's a huge body of research to confirm that women have the same intellectual capacities as men on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 09:48 PM
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Would be nice if you could present a body of research (legitimate scientific research, not blog articles or Red Pill sidebar) to back up any of these claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 09:33 PM
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Women are physically inferior to men for example. No debate. Women are physically weaker than men, that's not the same as being physically inferior. The very reason why women are weaker is because it's a trade-of for their reproductive abilities. Women have an ability to give birth and men don't. Women are much more likely to feel overrun by their emotions. Source? such as their ineptitude to be as rational as men in many instances outlined in all the literature you refer to. Source? As does Evo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 09:29 PM
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That implies that the only reason a man would want to commit is to get sex. What about men who genuinely want to have somebody to come home to, somebody to care about and be cared for, to have children with and grow old together?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 09:22 PM
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No, I'm showing your own bullshit to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/15 08:39 AM
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Once again you're proving you don't know shit about female sexuality. I've really no idea how it can be so imposible to grasp that having sex with someone you find ugly might not feel good, but vagina is not a fucking machine which automatically turns on when you push a couple of buttons. If I'm not in the mood (aka, can't get myself in a sexual mindset), I can try to "warm up" for an hour if I want, nothing is going to happen except chaffing. Likewise if I'm not doing the warming up right, noth…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 05:11 PM
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So basically women are content with staying forever alone if only they manage to squeeze out lots of money from a failed marriage? Yeah, at least that seems consistent with the Red Pill theory that women don't like sex and are just trading it four resources. Being consistent is already half the job, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 05:05 PM
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Men should have more empathy for women and settle for less Yes and yes. If you complain about not getting sex but refuse to lower your standards, then it's your own problem. Women should have less empathy for men and settle less I never said women should have less empathy. I think most people could use a bit more empathy, if everyone was a bit more empathetic towards each other, the world would becomea much better place. As for settling less - that's not what I said at all. I only said that don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 05:00 PM
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Yeah, but why is it then? Why are they so eager to abandon their precious "insurance" and supposedly spend the rest of their lives alone because no man would ever want them at 40? And why would gay men divorce anyway, wait, how does it even work with gay marriage? If men get screwed in divorce, do both parties get screwed or do they sort of cancel each other out? And, even better question, why do gay men get married anyway? I've heard getting sex as a gay man is quite easy, why are they chaining…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 04:53 PM
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Being that man is the accomplishment itself. What if he's just naturally very handsome and charming? What if he doesn't literally spend every free minute of his life making elaborate plans how to pick up 50 chicks a day but it simply happens to him for the virtue of being himself (aka, his naturally handsome, charismatic and charming self)? Would you say the same thing about people who have lots of friends? Most of people like that I know, both men and women, aren't putting any real effort into …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 12:46 PM
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But there is quite a large difference between 'not very attracted to' and 'would physically hurt my genitalia to have sex with'. "I won't get any pleasure from it" =/= "It will hurt my genitalia". Bad sex doesn't necessarily mean painful, even bad sex can be painless if certain measures are taken. Unpleasant, yes, excruciating, no. This doesn't strike you as solipsistic? 'We can get sex, but we can't get good sex, so we're in more pain than you'. Don't Red Pillers always harp on about the "biotr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/15 12:42 PM
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Women receive NO pleasure from getting penetrated Yes. Just because there's an object coming up a vagina, doesn't automatically mean pleasure. Do you fucking think women feel pleasure inserting or taking out their tampon? Or being examined by gynecologist? Do you even know how a vagina and arousal works in women at all? Heck, and people like you wonder why they can't get laid... "But... but... I was stumping my penis up and down your vagina! Isn't that's all you need to do? How can you say you d…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 09:16 PM
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marriage is an insurance policy for women. If marriage is insurance policy for women, then why so many more women file for divorce than men? You'd think they'd be doing everything to keep their poor husbands chained to them so that they can't run off fucking an army of hot 18 year olds, instead of seemingly rushing to divorce their husbands for some minor things they shouldn't be concerned with, according to Red Pill theory, like cheating (since cheating for men is non-emotional so their wives s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 09:09 PM
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Why do you think men are marrying younger? Because men and women are attracted to different things. No, no matter how much you wish it to be true, women aren't attracted to old men. If they marry them, it's despite them being old, if they have something that can make up for it, not because they're attracted to wrinkles, balding and beer guts. No woman ever said "OMG his sagging skin and wrinkled skin are so hot!!!" Marrying a woman 2 years younger doesn't mean shit. You can't tell me that 2 year…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 10:39 AM
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Because being a stud is an accomplishment. What if a man is very attractive and genuinely finds it easy to get sex from women? Reddit always makes it sound like no man ever gets sex without spending a huge amount of effort, but that's simply bullshit. There are men like that, I see them every time I go to a pub or party, women virtually throw themselves at them and even get quite aggressive with their pursuing. Just because you haven't got the luck to have that sort of attention from women, does…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 10:34 AM
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Should I be shamed because I find writing with my left hand easy while most people find it difficult? Should I be shamed for being able to sing well because a lot of people can't even hit the right notes? Some things are easier to some people than others, why is it so wrong that people should be shamed for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 08:53 PM
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What about all those men in prisons who start fucking each other? Apparently to them, sex with a man is better than no sex. I don't buy that it's all about dominance and power, because if they were really so repulsed by other men, there are plenty of other ways to display them without sticking your penis into another man's butt.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 08:18 PM
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You interpreted it quite differently than I meant it. What I meant holds for both sexes: if you say you can't get any sex while you know that there are definitely people out there who would have sex with you, then you're lying: you could actually get sex, just not with the people you want to. If I saw hordes of FA women whining about how they can't get absolutely any sex at all, from anybody, I would ask them the same thing: who have you tried getting sex from? Attractive men? No luck with those…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 08:16 PM
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And why do you assume that having sex with men they're not attracted to at all or even repulsed by wouldn't bring great displeasure to FA women? I already described on another comment just how unpleasant it can feel to insert a penis or a penis-sized object into a completely unaroused and dry vagina. Never tried the butt stuff but I doubt it feels much better than having a penis inserted into an unprepared and unlubricated anus.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 07:38 PM
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I'm not sure where I see "hypergamy" in this, care to elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 04:23 PM
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Sexual orientation is not some kind of physical barrier that physically stops you from having sex with that person. Technically you could have sex with him, you just wouldn't enjoy it. It's simply not being attracted to that person at all. If there's a man I'm completely disgusted by, I don't want to have sex with him as much as a straight man doesn't want to have sex with another man. And are you suggesting people can change their preferences? I'm not attracted to a 70 year old man. I'm just no…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 04:21 PM
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Yeah. Younger by about 2-4 years on average. Not 20. And the number of older women marrying younger men has increased. It's always funny when people post sources they don't read and then it turns out that source actually supports the opponent's point, not debunks it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 04:19 PM
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Yes it is. You don't have sex with men because you're not attracted to them - women don't have sex with you because they're not attracted to you. You can't imagine sex with a man because you wouldn't experience any pleasure from it - women can't imagine sex with you because they wouldn't experience any pleasure from it. You seem to be under impression that all men could experience pleasure having sex wih any woman. Well, for women it's not the same then - not all women can experience pleasure in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 03:33 PM
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By the time the woman is forty and the man is forty they are going to be significantly different levels of attraction to when they were younger. Yeah, both of them are going to be noticeably less attractive. The man isn't going to magically turn into a George Clooney the morning of his 40th birthday. And, speaking of George Clooney, he's not considered as attractive as he used to be either. Men do age. In other news, water is wet. If you think that most 40 year old married men could be swimming …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 03:17 PM
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Marriage is the exchange for a woman's exclusivity, sexuality, and essentially her body. Long-term relationship without marriage can offer that too. And what do you mean by "her body"? The woman's body belongs to herself alone, it doesn't become the property of her husband after marriage. she isn't going to be the same woman after she has had multiple children. Believe it or not, most women actually don't get their bodies destroyed by pregnancy. If you were healthy and fit before pregnancy, you …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 03:04 PM
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Marriage is essentially a guarantee and insurance policy for women. So you think there's absolutely nothing in marriage for men and all men only get married because otherwise their girlfriends would leave them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 02:23 PM
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I have seen plenty of these so-called forever alone/incel men on Reddit who claimed they can't get sex, absolutely any sex, any sex from anyone at all, not even once. The first question I ask them is whether they've ever tried getting sex from a man. All of them answered No. Then I asked why. They said because they're not attracted to men. I suggested them to still try, isn't bad sex better than no sex at all? They said no, they could never have sex with a man, they wouldn't even orgasm from it …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 02:16 PM
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See, your comment is a perfect example of what I was talking about. Your comment is virtually identical to the vast majority of men's replies on Reddit whenever a woman says she's unsuccessful with sex or relationships. Can you see why women don't want to talk about this on Reddit, at least not in subs where there are men?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 01:48 PM
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In contemporary non-industrialized societies, the average age of menarche is 16,5 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 01:45 PM
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I don't understand when did the word "nice" gain completely different meaning. It used to mean simply being a kind person and treating others well. That person saw that I have a problem, came and offered to help, he's nice. That person was friendly to me, she's nice. Now apparently "nice" is synonymous with "being a dull doormat".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 01:33 PM
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Except you've been hot all your life so your girlfriend KNOWS that you can have another girl after her. And many more like this. That's not "dread game". Yes, they can, but they won't, because they love their current girlfriends and they're worth more to them than a group of some faceless hot women they don't even know (whereas, now that I think of it, I very rarely see Red Piller even include the world "love" while talking about their relationship). They don't hold it like the sword of Damocles…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 01:30 PM
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Whenever a man on Reddit complains about not getting sex or relationship, he receives thorough sympathy and shared bonding with other men who feel the same way. Whenever a woman does that, she's completely dismissed and told to "not go after only millionaires or George Clooneys", otherwise it's simply impossible that she can't get any. I'm a woman and never had sex or relationship, but Reddit is the last place on Earth I'd go to talk about it. On the internet and among the younger "nerdy" genera…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 01:21 PM
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I think if all men and women were content with being in relationship and having just 1 sexual partner at a time, this problem could be solved pretty easily. There's about the same number of hetero women as hetero men, so most people would be able to get a relationship. However, currently more men want to have casual sex than women and among men and women who have casual sex, men often want to do it with more different women, hence the disparity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 02:56 PM
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Yeah right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 12:01 AM
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So you think the vast majority of marriages are unhappy? (at least from a man's position)?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 11:15 PM
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You know there's somehing in between "all marriages end in happily ever after with everlasting love" and "marriage is hell and slavery for men that completely destroys their life the second they try to save themselves", right? I think people call it "healthy middle ground". It's not black and white.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 10:26 PM
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Yeah, sure they don't... Because anti-social, socially awkward, autistic or just plain personality-less girls get just as much attention from guys as very sociable and charismatic girls...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 10:24 PM
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That's an extremely callous and clinical way to look at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 06:48 PM
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By saying "3,5 billion women accross 200 countries and 2000 societies" I didn't necessarily mean women accross the ocean on the other side of the world from you. Heck, all you have to do is just look at Reddit, you'll find plenty of women happily married or in relationship with unemployed men, stay-at-home-dads, working minimum wage jobs or generally low paid, "non-prestigious" jobs, skinny men, very short men, emaciated men, even terminally ill men, etc. Most of these women are American, just l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:13 PM
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They haven't suffered the virus of feminism That's funny because many Asian and Middle Eastern countries have more female STEM students than USA, some Asian countries like India and China also have way more female CEOs than USA, and historically Asian women had more power in the family than their Western counterparts - like complete control of the husband's money, for example. The whole "sweet little submissive Asian woman" is a stereotype and delusion. Many women indeed try to appear like that …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:13 PM
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Because women don't need personality to attract friends or achieve things in life? Because the only thing women ever needed to do is attract a man? Because women choose their friends based solely on their looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:07 PM
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And I've had straight male friends tell me that vaginas are kind of strange when you think about them in a non sexual context. There was also a thread on AskMen asking if they would like to receive close up vagina/labia shots, and most answers were No. Apparently, close-up clinical pictures of genitals without any context are unappealing to both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:05 PM
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Which is based solely on the few pictures those men put. And, let me just say that around 80% of men on OK Cupid post absolutely shitty pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:03 PM
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So why don't you just divorce her? Why don't you follow the true Red Pill path of having as much casual sex with as many young hot women as possible instead of chaining yourself down with a post-Wall or will-be-Post-wall woman and bear the risk of getting divorce raped? There is a contradiction if Red Pillers say "DON'T ever, under no circumstances, get married, avoid it as much as posible" and then in the same breath continue "Oh, you're already married? Nah, it's totally awesome, do everything…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 03:54 PM
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Then why is marriedredpill sub so big and people are giving them advice to save their marriage instead of telling every MRP to just get divorced instantly. Why isn't it something like "First step of Red Pill - if you're married, divorce immediately!"?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 03:51 PM
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So basically, you claim that you have full knowledge and understanding of the exact preferences of 3,5 billion human individuals. Even if they came to you and claimed differently, you would tell them "No, you say you like X but I say you like Y, and I'm right because I know your brain better than you". 3,5 billion women. I don't think you can fully comprehend what a huge number that is. Visualize every single woman you've ever met. Do you know how that would compare with the whole female populat…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 03:38 PM
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That is the definition of social hierarchy - one person automatically deferring to another. Just because he defers to his friend in some situation where the friend knows better, doesn't mean he defers to him all the time. Let's say my friend knows more about cars and I know more about computers. If the topic is about cars, or we're doing something related to cars, then yes, I'd "defer" to him. But if the topic is about computers, or we're doing something related to computers, then he'd "defer" t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 09:31 PM
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Yes, humans do operate in hierarchies, but it's much more complicated than that. Humans are much more diverse and complex to be neatly squeezed in two boxes, "alpha" and "beta". There's a lot in between. Most leaders can't or don't want to lead all the time, all the people, in every situation. Most followers can't or don't want to follow all the time, there are situations where they want to take the lead as well. There are some people they're more inclined to follow and some people they're more …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 09:27 PM
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This article does a pretty good job debunking the whole alpha/dominance thing That's another good one
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 09:18 PM
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Don't have sex with women who are obviously drunk. Don't have sex with women who don't seem to want to have sex with you, wait to see if they're as passionate and enthusiastic about it as you are. Find ways to actually ask them if they want to have sex without making it sound weird or clinical. And, perhaps most importantly, because so many people don't seem to realize it, take into account that consent can be withdrawn at any moment. Listen to her body language. If one moment she's all hot and …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 09:08 PM
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Damaging them by ruining their relationships. Most of MRP posts are about how there was somehing bad with their relationship and they made it even worse by choosing the Red Pill approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 08:59 PM
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There are plenty of TBP posts that link to RPW and criticize them in the comments. TBP is not a sub meant to criticise solely Red Pill men, it includes Red Pill women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 08:57 PM
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Then how are you able to respect women who earn less than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 11:36 PM
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Possibly even a whole 1%. How much do you earn that only 1% of women earn more than you?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 11:32 PM
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You do realize there are thousands, if not millions, of women dating or married to men who earn less than them or even are unemployed, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 11:30 PM
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Being nice is not the same as being good. Most people can be nice in situations where it's convenient or easy for them to be nice, I don't think most people deliberately want to be assholes. But being a truly good person isn't that common in people, I've noticed, especially in situations where being good requires some courage or doesn't offer any benefit to them but can actually be detrimental. A lot of people are just too selfish or too cowardly for that. For example, there's no shortage of peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 10:53 PM
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I disagree that these two meanings are used by different sexes. Any person who's even remotely literate will be aware of both meanings and use both of them, it has nothing to do with what genitals you have. Women are certainly capable of respect in the form of admiration/reverence, both as offering this type of respect to people who they think have earned it, and as recipients of such respect or ones who desire to receive such type of respect. And many men also use "respect" in the meaning of "t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 07:25 PM
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It hasn't "devolved", it simply has two meaning. Both men and women use both meanings to refer to oyher people, both men and women.Generally most people seem to be able to tell the difference between the two. But many Red Pillers seem to completely reject one meaning of the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 07:04 PM
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It seems we actually have exactly the same view, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 05:24 PM
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I feel no more sympathy for them than I do for men who won't bothe to so much as iron their T-shirt and them complain about not getting any sex while adding "no blacks on fatties tho!". And I sure see that one more often than the "where are all good men gone?". In fact, I've never heard the latter from any women, it must be one of those things that are portrayed as super common on the internet but actually pretty rare in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 07:04 AM
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I'm pretty sure that most redpillers, myself included, are going to disagree with your statement about what we believe. My comment was based on my own observations from Red Pill sub. Obviously they might have different observations, because people don't think negatively of something they root for so strongly, and tend to notice mostly positive things about it instead of negative ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 06:42 AM
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of all the people that you respect, how many are women? About half. I never found it harder to find women I could respect than men I could respect. Maybe because I don't view women as inherently inferior or lesser human beings than men Women are capable of the same admirable character traits that men are - bravery, confidence, willpower, determination, compassion, curiosity, kindness, and all others I find valuable in people. Having these traits often lead people to make a positive difference in…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 06:36 AM
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Yeah, I feel so bad for these people's wives, girlfriends, sisters or other women they have contact with. Can you imagine hearing something like "I could never respect you for anything because you're a woman unless you land a spaceship on a commet."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 12:56 AM
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Have you really never met a woman that you even remotely respected?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 12:02 AM
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You see, that's the issue with many Red Pillers - they can't seem to be able to think in anything but black and white. They think you can only have two views on women: either women are infallible perfect little angels who can do no good, or they're all evil hypergamous selfish hateful bitches ("AWALT"). Since the second view, to them, seems much less pathetic and much more useful, they choose that view. Why can't women just be humans, like men? Why can't they be both good and bad, both dumb and …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 11:41 PM
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Though I think a woman could be happy being a housewife if her husband were truly appreciative of her contribution to the household. Not all women could. Women are individuals and have different needs and desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 11:35 PM
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So do you only respect the type people who land spaceships on comets or something comparable? Have you never felt a genuine respect for a woman for something she's done or her personality traits? I can't imagine a relationship where you partner doesn't respect you for anything, or doesn't look up to you at least a bit. That would mean you've never done anything even remotely great, hard, interesting or otherwise worthy of respect. For example, let's say your wife had a really hard pregnancy and …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 11:34 PM
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Yeah, why do women want to be respected? Can't imagine. Must be so horrible feeling respected, admired and looked up to like a powerful and admirable human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 11:22 PM
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I'm not going to engage with someone who uses their feelz instead of facts,
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:39 PM
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Just because it's a tradition doesn't mean it's set in stone, it can be changed. There used to be plenty of traditions that don't exist anymore, what's so special about this one? It's already becoming less common, about 1 in 3 married women in the USA don't take their husband's last name.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 05:01 PM
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During university projects it's often the girls who spontaneously take the active role and the guys listen to what they say and follow because they want to. When I was a child, during family meeting with friends eveybody would usually listen to the suggestions of my mother's best friend, she's a very leaderlike and charismatic person that people are naturally incllined to follow. In my own group of friends there are also a few girls who usually take the initiative when there's a question or what…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 04:54 PM
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You can't deny that childbearing is much more difficult for women than men and women are much more involved in the process. No matter how much DNA you get from someone, women are still doing 99% of the job while men get to just sit there and watch. Men don't have to carry the child in their own body, give birth to them or nurse them. That was my point. And that link you posted says that men and women still get the same number of genes from mother and father, it's just that the father's genes are…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 04:49 PM
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There are many countries in the world where wives don't traditionally take their husband's last name. I'm not sure what Red Pill's big deal is about this. Most Red Pillers aren't particularly knowledgeable about other cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 04:29 PM
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I don't know if I'm the only one but I don't see my last name as "my dad's name". It's my name. Yes, it also belongs to my father and he gave it to me, but so did his father gave his name to me, and so on. Based on that logic, did his name ever really belong to someone if they all just got it from someone else? I don't see it as "belonging to my father" at all, it's my name and my identity. I wouldn't care if my children had their father's last name, I wouldn't see them as less mine and more his…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 04:28 PM
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Why would a woman want or need to be respected? Only men do. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 04:25 PM
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but my kids will have my name. No hyphen. Plain and simple. What's your reasoning for this? She grew her children from scratch in her own body for 9 hard months, painstakingly gave birth to them and then fed them with her own body for months or even years, whereas your only contribution was a single jizz. If we put logic to this, then her children should have her name because she contributed much more to them than you did. Unless you were planning to be the main caretaker to make up for it, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 04:23 PM
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Because tradition. Then I guess men must also buy their wives super expensive diamond rings or else they don't "respect them", because muh tradition, right? Yet the second I would suggest this to Red Pillers they'd call it gynocracy, shallow female nature or something like that. Or be your wife's personal ATM even when she earns her own money, because tradition. Or having to give half your stuff to your wife and only see your children once a week, because tradition.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 04:20 PM
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Marriage has existed in every single major empire or known ancient society long before Christiany or other religions came around.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 04:14 PM
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But why is it only the woman who must "compromise" but a man can demand his wife taking his last name and it's seen as comletely normal? Why must only women put themselves "below" the family? Why is a man's identity worth more than woman's?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 04:11 PM
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The only reason you could be so strongly about a woman keeping her last name is because you see her taking your name as literally becoming your possession or losing her own identity and taking yours. If you didn't think that way, why would you care so much? If a woman must take her husband's name in order to be seen as "respecting him", does that mean husbands don't respect their wives because they don't take their names? Or what about husbands who take their wives, names? Or hyphenate? Or choos…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 04:08 PM
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you se eno ACTUAL spontaneous female leadership You absolutely do, if you pay attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 04:00 PM
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Having a higher IQ doesn't automatically make you a better leader. It might be harder to be a good leader with too low IQ, but having extremely high IQ is often correlated with poor social skills, not that great verbal or communication skills and an inability to, as Japanese would put it, "read the air of the situation", which is extremely important in being a leader. Besides, the bell curve isn't nearly as extreme as many people seem to believe. This is what it looks like The difference is actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 03:57 PM
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Whether it's cultural or biological, men simply appear to be better suited to lead. That's very likely to be simply confirmation bias. In my experience, women are often just as eager to lead as men are. In all schools I've attended, it was usually girls who took the leadership during projects or teamwork, or became class presidents (not sure if you have that in America) or took initiative in other forms of leadership, and many were doing just fine. At my university about two thirds of the tudent…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 03:46 PM
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There are armless, legless, blind, deaf, burned, dwarf, otherwise mutilated/disfigured men getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 03:29 PM
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We should also point out that TBP is mostly women It's not, it has roughly equal number of men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 03:20 PM
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I have. It literally says "women are the most responsible teenagers in the house", claiming it's because women's only evolutionary purpose is to have children and it's enough to be only as mature as a teenager in order to take care of the children. Also, apparently they seem to think putting Schopenhauer's quotes about women in there equals scientific evidence, because they don't bother to provide any studies or research. The only thing said there that's actually true is that boys mature a bit l…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 04:41 PM
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but in the readings ... the sidebar readings claim that women never mature and retain the brain capacity of teenagers and that, unlike men, they're unable to feel genuine love and affection or stay loyal. If anyhing, it's worse than a lot of the user database.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 04:25 PM
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So... ~80% of Red Pillers are TRPing wrong? Seems a bit like the no true scotsman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 02:22 PM
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And the male nature just happens to be very loyal, loving and courageous while the female nature is dishonest, hypergamous and evil. Yeah, sounds familiar.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 10:33 AM
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Oh, no awalt is awalt. The female nature stuff is universal. ... ah, ok, glad you cleared that out. I was beginning to think that maybe there was actually some sort of diversity in women, as if they were individual human beings or something like that. Good to know the template still holds.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 11:53 PM
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Then why the hell is it always portrayed as some universal thing? I almost never hear Red Pillers say "American feminism is", they say "feminism is"; it's almost never "American women are", it's "women are". It's not AAWALT, it's AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 09:44 PM
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Having your period doesn't mean you're yet mature enough to have children. There are girls as young as 10 getting their first period yet their bodies are still the bodies of a child, with too narrow hips and generally they're still developing and haven't finished growing. Even a 15 year old girl is still developing, she's not yet fully mature yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 09:08 PM
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So then it's "Captain and First Mate works for most people" instead of "Captain and First mate works for ALL people". Basically no difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 09:04 PM
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So, is this an American thing? Because everywhere on Reddit I keep reading how supposedly every woman and their mother is complaining how "there are no good men", but I've never in my whole life heard an actual woman say anything like this. Either it's cultural differences and American women are significantly more likely to complain about this than European women (not very likely), or is it just one of those click-bait fear-mongering articles?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 08:59 PM
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It's equally easy whether the husband or wife does it, though, so why must it necessarily be the wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 08:55 PM
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It's not solely American thing, but it's not universal either. In countries like China or Japan there's no tradition of women changing their name, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 08:54 PM
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