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Bro get this AI slop off reddit
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:06 AM
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Most couples already share their emotions with each other. Well adjusted men get good at convincing others that they have shared their true feelings without actually sharing them. Most couples already have the women share their emotions... And some couples, I presume, have a fully equal exchange. But while I can't rule out a majority of men similarly countersharing from my strictly anecdotal experience, I personally doubt most men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 09:48 PM
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(just because it's an exciting proposition). Lol this is a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 03:30 PM
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I wasn't expecting any particular percentage from any particular individual, and given that this sub has significant selection bias I also wasn't expecting a particularly useful average or log-average. But it is interesting to see the different ways in which people are thinking about the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:15 PM
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I appreciate the estimates, thank you!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 01:06 PM
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It's interesting to me that you're the first person so far to think you're more likely than not to be attracted regardless of body. If you somehow met your partner in the same way as you did, but they were in a random other body, do you think you would still have entered into a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 05:13 AM
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Thank you, I appreciate the estimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:59 AM
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Okay, 2 LTRs, is a good start. Roughly how many guys did you reject? 100? 1000? 100000? I'm happy with an order-of-magnitude estimate. Of the guys you dated but rejected, how many would have have found attractive if they had the personality of your current partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:58 AM
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Okay, can you put a number on the proportion of bodies you're attracted to? I'm happy with an order-of-magnitude estimate. Assuming you're otherwise compatable witb the person (because they have the mind of your literal partner) is it 1/10 bodies? 1/100? 1/1000? Is it 1/10 men your age in your region? 1/100? 1/1000000?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:56 AM
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I think you think I'm asking you a philosophical question, but I'm not. I'm asking you a math question. If you literally gave me "# of partners" divided by "estimated # of people I have ever interacted with romantically in any sense, inclusive of swiping left on tinder," that's already usable data. You really don't need to be all that precise-- I know I'm getting order-of-magnitude resolution, at best, but it would be interesting and useful to me to know that women generally consider, say, rough…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:54 AM
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The question was phrased as “want” not “would.” If you re-read the title you'll notice that I included both words. And if you read past it, you'll notice that I'm asking for probabilities, which you can give an estimate for even when it's impossible to propose specific variables. And most people are not gay.. Okay, so as an upper bound you'd have no interest in your partner in at least 1/2 of possible bodies. As a lower bound, you would be interested in them in at least 1/8000000000 possible bod…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:44 AM
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Assuming you had that time-- how likely do you think you'd be to still feel attracted? I'm sure there are some bodies you'd never feel attracted to, and some bodies you can imagine being attracted to even if you aren't yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:39 AM
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but I can't really give you a “percentage” of bodies I’m into. I'd settle for a fermi estimate. Given your partner's personality, do you think you would still be attracted to them in only one out of any ten possible randomly selected adult bodies? One out of any one hundred? One out of any one million? Other people’s bodies aren't sexual objects to me Actually, given this, I should probably ask for a clarification: are you sexually attracted to your current partner in the first place? Do you spo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:35 AM
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How specific is your taste in faces, do you think? How many men did you reject before you found your boyfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:33 AM
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So your partner's body is literally the only body on the planet you could ever be attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:20 AM
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The rest is just the same old what percentage of men are you attracted to I specifically didn't ask that question because without a lot of prompting women don't disambiguate whether their attraction is based on personality, status, style, or the way a man looks naked when asked this question. By asking about a current partner, I'm trying to keep the first three values constant-- because presumably current partners are already attractive based on those factors. That isolates specifically the prop…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:18 AM
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Re: same gender different body, do you think you could express this as a probability? Like, 1/10 male bodies would still be attractive, 1/100, etc.? You can assume that you don't have to be willing to jump his bones immediately-- you're allowed time to adjust, and have your attraction grow in the same way it presumably did after you met him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:03 AM
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Okay, this already seems really different from that original 1/1000000 number. Regarding the guys you rejected for personality reasons, or because they weren't your 'type', how many of them do you think you'd have been interested in if your current partner was occupying their bodies instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:57 AM
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and saying I wouldn’t be with it in your hypothetical. At this point, you're no longer talking about my hypothetical. I think you're trying to answer the "would you still love me if I was a worm" question, but that's just not what I'm interested in. I'm interested in the question of "what proportion of people you think you could be attracted to if they had the right personality" -- i.e., the personality of your current partner. The body-swapping scenario is about posing that question in a concre…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:54 AM
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Assuming he was the only attractive person in your inbox, about how large was your inbox? I feel like that would be a pretty decent estimate for what proportion of bodies you'd find physically attractive enough-- if he's literally 1/400 or so, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:46 AM
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Do you think you could estimate a probability by multiplying the chance of finding someone in each goldilocks range together? E.g., 1/10 men are in your height range, 1/10 men are in your bmi range, so 1/100 chance of rolling a body that fits your standards? Also, given your preferred body standards, how likely do you think you'd be to roll a face you'd still be attracted to? Sorry for asking lots of questions, I'm just curious about this haha
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:44 AM
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Gotcha, thank you for answering my questions!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:37 AM
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How do you think you managed to find a 1/1000000 man? Did you swipe through that many tinder profiles? Did you go clubbing extremely often? Are you a 1/1000000 woman? Were your preferences more generic before you found him but being with him has narrowed them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:35 AM
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But like can you give me a numerical estimate? Lol. 1/100? 1/1000? 1/1000000?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:32 AM
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Interesting, thank you. Out of curiosity, what region are you from? Do you think your preferences come out of a bias for a particular ethnicity, or are the people in hour locale particularly hot regardless of their ethnic background?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:31 AM
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What do you think the chance of rolling an attractive vs unattractive body given the people in your area wojld be?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:26 AM
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Are you saying that you would break up with him even if he swapped to a body you would otherwise find attractive? Or are you strictly imagining that every other body is worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:25 AM
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Do you think you could quantify that "probably not" based on my posted categories? For example, for men your age in your region, would it be a 6/10 chance of having no attraction? A 9/10 chance? A 99/100 chance or higher?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:23 AM
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I can do literally nothing to stop men I don't know running out on their children. The only people capable of intervening are women, by collectively agreeing to stringently filter out any single and/or deadbeat dads.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:05 AM
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“good guy” ... slacker barely groom "dad mode" isn’t my thing ...and apparently you're a passport bro? Dude, is this ragebait? Like, obviously I can't look into your life and know how kind/hot/fun you are... but judging purely by the circumstantial evidence available to me, I think these single moms would not have deliberately filtered for you on a dating app if they hadn't been disadvantaged relationship-wise by being single mothers. And in a similar fashion, if it weren't for your particular p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:02 AM
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I'm exaggerating for effect, but the point holds. There is a fundamental (social) power imbalance between men and women that colors everything about how men experience relationships in the same way that the fundamental (physical) power imbalance between men and women that colors everything about how women experience relationships. Men can still enjoy dates in spite of that imbalance but nothing gets around the fact that most women are intrinsically less libidinous than most men and therefore the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 10:02 PM
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You would think it was a chore too, if the unstated expectation was always that you initiate, plan, lead the conversation, and pay-- while the woman's only responsibility is to judge whether you're a subhuman who deserves to be filtered out of the gene pool. I enjoy spending time with my female friends plenty, because those relationships are equal and reciprocal. But dating is a chore because it intrinsically isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 07:55 PM
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then what is the entire premise of your post anymore?? Why are you asking me? You stated my point almost exactly how I would: male violence is the only thing that stops male violence, so there are no "matriarchies" because they still require male protection from male threats and violence The only qualifier I would make is that I can imagine creating a system where female violence stops male violence, but unfortunately for the radfems they have completely failed to do that. If they can figure out…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:31 AM
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You need to research the economic concept of comparative advantage. It doesn't matter if men and women can kill equally well-- if woman are better at obtaining resources through sex, then the incentive is still for women to specialize in doing that, and men to specialize in security, and for both parties to produce gains through trade. Hell, the effect would hold even if women were better at violence. As long as men are hornier and more likely to take risks, my observations hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:57 AM
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"Feminism" as in "a movement where women aren't arbitrarily prevented from exercising the rights men enjoy" is totally fine. You can get more than enough men on board with beating up anyone who would deny women the right to vote, for example, without having to promise them all war brides. I'm just pointing out that the sort of feminism TwoX wants is completely impossible, because creating a society where men are terrified of reprisals for acting even marginally out of line is requires granting i…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:54 AM
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Yes, that's my whole point. I'm making a specific effort to point out the fact that for women to get exactly what they want re: no harassment from random men-- they still need to enlist the services of particular, non-random men... through sex. That in effect dooms any social movement focused on using anti-men social pressure alone to get what it wants (e.g., the 4B movement)... unless women figure out how to nut up and provide their own security. (I would suggest trying butch lesbians with buzz…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:43 AM
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Even if women were magically given most of the world's financial power, they still need people to enforce property rights. Those people would mostly be men, and the ability to enforce property rights for someone else is isomorphic to the ability to enforce property rights against someone else. In relatively short order the queens would find that mercenaries are a double-edged implement. (This logic is fully generalizable, by the way. Communist revolutions fail because creating an army to take do…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:36 AM
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I wouldn't call it "propagandized" because the word "propaganda" has a negative valency... but my religious upbringing definitely came with it's fair share of pressure to get respectably married and father some children. It would be fair to say that secular pop culture doesn't encourage fatherhood, but that's not the fault of any male conspiracy. In a twist that's simultaneously ironic and obvious, it's the fault of the anti-patriarchal, a.k.a. feminist forces. I don't blame feminists for wantin…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 05:13 AM
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But to state as a fact that romantic feelings are the same as sexual feelings is wrong. All you have to do to prove your statement is name a single "romantic" feeling that satisfies both the following: completely unrelated to sex strictly impossible to feel in a nonsexual friendship You haven't. You can't. It's that simple. The best you can say is that given your personality, and your friendships, there are nonsexual things you find yourself capable of doing with a sexual partner that you can't …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 12:52 AM
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But you likely don’t plan to grow old with your friends, right? I absolutely do plan to grow old with my friends. Why wouldn't I? We're scheming to make an expat retirement community in brazil decades in advance. Or raise a family together? I very much hope that when we have children, I am there to support my friends with theirs, and they are there to support me with mine. Or want to plan cute dates with? I often ask my buddy if he wants to play pool, eat appetizers, and chat. Normally we call t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 12:16 AM
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Sex isn’t the only thing that separates a romantic relationship from a friendship tho Yes, it is. I don't say this to denigrate romance, but to valorize friendship. The only thing you can do in a romantic relationship that you definitionally can't in a platonic friendship is sex. You can go on friend dates; you can have deep emotional connections; you can share loving (nonsexual) physical contact; you can coparent; you can buy real estate together. You can't name anything that can happen in a ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 11:42 PM
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We can provide for ourselves No you can't lol. Women on average pay less in taxes while benefiting more from welfare than men. Not having a particular man providing for you doesn't prevent you from being provided for by men in general. A society composed of 99.9% women (with a small number of men kept around for sperm production) would be have less crime but also far less wealth. And if you're contrarian enough to think that tradeoff is worth it you should off into the woods to form your femi-am…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 11:28 PM
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What? I said up front that cheating is bad. No amount of blueballs would justify it. But like you said yourself with your 4+ months comment-- there is some level of blueballs that justifies leaving. My only thesis is that determining the length of that time should be relative to the libidos involved. I won't deny your accusation of whining, but I'm whining specifically about my struggle divining my own true motivations. Would leaving her be an act of selfishness of self-compassion? Would stickin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 07:37 AM
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I cant imagine being immediately inclined to cheat if im in love with my partner and theyre going through a temporary rough patch Cheating is indisputably and always wrong, no arguments. But I think you're underestimating the power of a even a "temporary" rough patch. I'm going to try explaining the problem analytically... But won't hide the fact that what I'm saying ultimately comes from personal experience. Anyway-- in an LTR where the sex is good and your partner is someone you like, how ofte…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 06:40 AM
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believes that taxes should never help those in need especially if the one receiving it is a single mother. Because they don't want to pay. That's the critical part, not the single mom part. You don't have to argue with me about this-- If you're talking to them about this, literally just go and ask them what they prefer "still pay taxes, but single koms don't get welfare" or "don't pay taxes, and women have to pay for single mom welfare instead." but at the end of the day, your money will be take…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 09:27 PM
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I think it’s in a different category because the men saying women aren’t paying enough in taxes are trying to find a way to economically coerce women into being in relationships with them. No, they're not. They're trying to find a way to pay less taxes. To the extent that they are women-haters, it is because what they really hate is taxes. The same goes for the "abolish alimony" men. It really isn't about controlling women-- it's about money, plain and simple. Complaining about evil women is an …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 06:53 PM
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There’s nothing to negotiate because paying taxes is something everyone has to do Do you seriously think our current system optimally allocates taxes and welfare? And -- if you existed in a counterfactual system, where welfare was fully funded by a tax that fell disproportionately on women-- let's say, a tax on contraceptives, would you still agree that was fair? Again, I think you should have some empathy. Even though I agree with you on your fundamental point (that welfare is worth the taxes),…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 01:46 AM
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You claim to want a society that operates on mutual-good-will, but then you turn around and completely ignore the lived experienced of men about how the "collective good" always seems to ignore what they want. Yes, I know all macroeconomics-- I know that in general the return on investment for early-childhood interventions is economically positive. But from the perspective of the men complaining, they are the kid in the omelas hole. What does it matter if the "collective good" benefits, when it …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 09:52 PM
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You're completely wrong, though for understandable reasons. Our view of history is dramatically skewed by the people recording it, and historically history has been recorded almost exclusively by the literate upper class. That biases things irrevocably. able to find pleasure in knowledge and arts That was only the stereotype of specifically upper-class men. The stereotype of lower-class men was still "stupid, brutish, and enslaved to animal passions." Similarly... women as the sex of desire and …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 02:36 AM
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I think women and men should both be liberated from gender roles. This is equivalent to saying, "I think both gay couples and straight couples should have access to free fertility drugs." It sounds good if you don't think about it but falls apart when you realize that males and females have different biologies and therefore different self-interests. Consider: "We should have no gender roles, and encourage everyone to be openly sexual." I think men will be happier about that than women. Similarly…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 11:04 PM
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The vitriol in this comment seemed rather out-of-proportion compared to /u/internetroamer comment so I checked in on your profile and holy cow, you are not having a healthy response to someone disagreeing with you on the internet. You and him have no actual power over each other except the power you willingly choose to give the other by investing your negative emotions into an argument. He can't hurt you with his opinions, and you can't hurt him with yours. You can vomit up all the hate and vitr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 09:34 PM
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( I mean I understand men are raised differently but I guess I just think crying over such things is totally fine) Crying is a reflexive action. The only way to train yourself to not cry in particular situations is to train yourself to not cry under ANY situation. Also, I do want to point out that it's not that men are raised differently, it's that they're socialized differently. The difference is important because "raising" is what parents do-- it implies men can be deliberately taught to be em…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:23 AM
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Why would you not trust them enough to let your guards down and be vulnerable for once? He was vulnerable to you. He told you about a topic of significant emotional weight as an attempt to process it. And you judged him for it. You found his method of processing trauma "off-putting and weird." ... which is, frankly, the good outcome here. I don't blame you for viewing the way men process trauma as strange. Society discourages negative emotions in general, and additionally woman and children (und…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 06:47 AM
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I finally have an objective measure of where I am in the dating hierarchy! Not sure how to interpret it though. My tinder stats are at 17% right swipes (vs 40% average for males) and 3% matches (vs 2.5% average). Multiplication would imply that I'm getting roughly half the matches as the "average" male, obviously putting me below the 50% percentile. Though without knowing the STDEV, and knowing for a fact that the distribution of matches is right-skewed, and not knowing how the population of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 10:32 PM
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In theory, there’s actually nothing wrong with the government outright paying women to birth children and rear them. If you only consider the first-order consequences, sure. There's nothing wrong with making "mother" an actual, government-remunerated job. Consider very carefully, however, the likely second-order effects. This civilization would need to somehow encourage men to perform labor on behalf of women collectively, but at the same time would see no use in men performing labor on behalf o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 02:15 AM
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If philosophy can't be efficiently translated, it's not philosophy. It's just meaningless word games inapplicable outside a given language. Mathematical proofs are equally legible in every language, as are all analytical truths. Everything else is, to various degrees, bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/23 12:05 AM
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These are very high-level descriptions of what for me is a very low-level problem. Obviously you have no particular duty to help me, but if you're intellectually interested in the problem, consider this analogy: Imagine you want to improve your golf game, and you decide to ask for help. One experienced golfer tells you, "Golf is about how well you accept, respond to, and score with your misses much more so than it is a game of your perfect shots." Another golfer tells you they tend to get better…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 11:56 PM
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actually taking the time to self-reflect and make yourself accountable for your shortcomings I'm taking this to the logical conclusion, which is reading evopsych literature + peer-reviewed papers on physical attraction, and spending literal hours on earthcam people-watching / taking anthropologist-style notes to figure out what's wrong with me compared to successful people. So personally, I think it's a very good thing most lonely people prefer to bitch about their lot than self-improve. Aside f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 11:48 PM
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What do you mean, "willing to take risks"? Like, can you provide any (anonymized) examples of risk-taking you thought was attractive? Do you remember filtering on potential partners in conjunction with what seemed like a propensity to take risks? And if so, how did you do so?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 11:40 PM
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Are you able to point to any specific traits or behaviors you filtered for that in retrospect you'd say were due to this desire to be socially protected? Or is this more of a thing you only notice after the initial filtering is done and you're already dating someone? Cards on the table: I'm trying to figure out how to spoof the processes by which women initially filter out men on dating apps, so if you can't betray your gender I totally understand 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 11:32 PM
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My writer's groups are full of women... but they're all married (and much older than me.) 😭 I like the people, and I love to write, but it's still a discouraging show for my one gender-neutral interest lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 11:24 PM
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These were basically a primitive form a high heels. If you wear high heels today, you would have willingly bound your feet in that era. If you like women in high heels today, you would have preferred women with bound feet in that era.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 11:21 PM
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Women want protective men, BUT... So I've been speeding through romance dramas to get an idea about what women are taught to look for in a man. And what I noticed-- very quickly-- was that while there's still the occasional scene where man protects the woman from physical violence, it's far more common to see the man protects the woman from SOCIAL violence. E.g., they have a bully coworker, the bully tries to flirt with the male lead in, and then the male lead conspicuously avoids the bully in f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 11:17 PM
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Exactly right! If we look back at history, people in previous times have always participated in bizarre, immoral rituals stemming from incoherent moral principles. Luckily, our recent ancestors developed an enlightened worldview that they then propagated throughout civilization. We can reasonably expect all future generations to trend inevitably towards our highest moral principles-- though sadly, some of the youth inevitably trend towards strange heresies simply to spite their wise elders. PSYC…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 05:35 AM
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So you believe homosexuality is a choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 07:38 AM
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I don't think you understand what "practice" is. Practice is not just, "do the thing, pay no attention to it, stop doing the thing, and then forget about it." Practice is analyzing how other people do the thing, thinking about possible ways to do the thing, attempting the thing, identifying deficiencies in your approach, testing small changes based on iterative feedback, and eventually refining your capability to do the thing. Neurotypical people do actively practice social skills. They're natur…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 07:37 AM
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Interesting. So essentially your position is that the current gender ratio is already the optimal equilibrium position, specifically because it's the result of competitive optimization between population and genetic groups?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 08:18 PM
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This would be a strictly, "natural births" ratio. Sex-selective abortion could still skew the final ratio.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:09 PM
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No, women wouldn’t change and be more competitive to get men. If anything you would see a spike in infanticide "Women becoming more likely to kill their babies" is a change. Though I'm curious now-- if you think the exclusive effect of the gender ratio is influencing how often women kill their babies, what do you think an ideal gender ratio would be? Because it seems unlikely to me that we currently have a socially ideal level of baby-killing. Maybe you believe populations should be reduced, in …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:06 PM
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Of course men do, men can't live without women. Women generally work better without men. Maybe you have a self-consistent definition of "better" by which this statement is true. But speaking in terms of reproductive fitness, "children from single-parent and stepparent families have higher poverty rates and lower levels of educational and occupational attainment than children who grow up with both their biological or adoptive parents" Which means that even if women don't change their behavior as …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:03 PM
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My question was specifically about modifying existing society from this point forward. But I really don't think it's a stretch to say that people would change their behavior if society's gender ratio began to abruptly change. If for example, if ~9.5% of society's men were killed in a war, bringing us to that 1.05 women per men figure, many women would quickly adopt different ideals about what an acceptable husband would look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:53 PM
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You're making statements about yourself and generalizing them to all women. Wouldn't it be reasonable to conclude that, were conditions different, culture would incentivize different behaviors you would have been socialized to have different beliefs and desires ? Like, if you were born in the 1600s to a deeply puritan family in colonial new england, do you really think you would have been able to ignore the social pressure to find a man, get married, and put out 17 children? Similarly, if condit…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:52 AM
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Eh, partially. Worldwide the ratio is ~1.01 men per women. But there are only very narrow age ranges where the ratio is even-- there are always either more men or more women, up to the rather dramatic differences in very old age.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:26 AM
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Do you seriously believe women wouldn't change their behavior at all if they had 5% more competition and ~4.8% fewer men that fit their eligibility criterion? Extend the ratio. If there were 10 women per man, do you really think greater than 90% of women would just consign themselves to never even trying to have a relationship? Do you really think they would maintain the exact same standards? Because if women really are totally insensitive to the relative availability of men, the genders really …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:22 AM
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Beneficial to the species? Or beneficial to the propagation of the genes that coded for a higher proportion of males? 👀
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:29 AM
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I haven't ever heard that is makes a country significantly better or worse but maybe it does. I strongly suspect having a higher proportion of men increases sexual competition and therefore crime, poverty, violence, etc. However, it's very difficult to get effective data because the cause relationship also verifiably goes in the opposite direction-- countries with higher levels of violence place a greater premium on having male children to fight for the family and defend their female relatives, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 04:32 AM
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But mostly because, guys haven't been pushing back at all. Security is non-excludable. Making any woman more secure makes every woman more secure. Thus, it's always in the interest of women to be "feminist," unless pushing for a specific feminist measure decreases the wellbeing of their particular subcommunity at the expense off the community as a whole (which is why you get the occasional antifeminist religions or ethnonationalist woman.) In contrast, relationship success is an excludable resou…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 04:01 AM
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I'm part of a wolfpack of late 30s Wolfpacks are a breeding pair of mated wolves and their children. The term you're looking for is a coalition as it applies to lions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 03:26 AM
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interesting, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 11:45 PM
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If you saw how much I'm paid divided by how much I work, you would understand why I'm pretty content at my job ;) Anyways, my ambitions have more to do with becoming an author than making it big as a scholar. If you hang around /r/rational and /r/slatestarcodex you might eventually see me talking about that on my main account.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 03:15 PM
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The thing about the orgasm gap - give me strength. The orgasm gap is very obviously due to past attitudes towards female sexual pleasure (not a priority) and the fact a lot of men see women as objects and just fuck them rather than engaging in sex with them and following their lead. Combined with social factors making women believe their purpose it to please the man. I'm not denying that causality exists in the, "women are less likely to orgasm during sex -> women are less interested in having s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:34 PM
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I see. I understand that measured libido will always be confounded by cultural factors. That's why I make no claims about the effect size of biological differences on women. But if libido differences were exclusively cultural, we'd expect to see at least some studies with contrary results due to reflecting cultural scenarios when women are disproportionately horny. Instead, even studies that specifically examine estrus can't make any claims that women are hornier, and data point after data point…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:13 PM
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Science isn't science if you don't rigorously verify basic assumptions. For example: the sky is multiple colors, but blue is just the predominant color in the visible wavelength.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:06 PM
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If you have scientific evidence that (the average) woman at their most sexually aroused is more aroused than (the average) man at their most sexually aroused I'd be interested to see it. But you're missing the point of this post-- I'm trying to demonstrate that if you randomly sample the average man and the average woman, the man will be more aroused than the woman more often than the woman is more aroused than the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:05 AM
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Are you going to tell me a cat in heat is any less horny than a tomcat? I'm going to tell you that you are entirely misunderstanding the point of my argument. You're interpreting "more horny" to mean, "having higher maximum possible sexual arousal," when I'm using "more horny" to mean, "having higher average sexual arousal." If a woman is maximally horny once a month, and her husband is equally horny five times a month, I would judge her husband to be hornier than she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 05:00 AM
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I don't understand why you're thinking in absolutes when my post is intrinsically about relative values. And in particular, if this was unclear, I'm defining "horniness" as average sexual arousal for an individual, not maximum possible sexual arousal for an individual. I feel like you're trying to argue that the average woman and the average man have the same maximum possible sexual arousal, which is completely orthogonal to my point that the average man has a higher average sexual arousal than …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:48 AM
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Look, the essential point of my argument is that X and Y linked traits are under differential selection pressures that encourage their bearers to adopt different reproductive strategies. You can argue about definitions if you want, but I feel comfortable with using the term 'r/K' selection as a useful illustration of my point because the same underlying game-theoretical rules apply to both biology at the species level and biology at the individual level. Everything is just applied math.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 04:43 AM
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No, they're not. r/k strategies apply to anything with reproduction, hereditary traits, and differential selection pressures. They apply to cultures, to evolutionary algorithms, and to X-linked vs Y-linked genetic traits. From the wiki page: While usually applied at the level of species, r/K selection theory is also useful in studying the evolution of ecological and life history differences between subspecies, for instance the African honey bee, A. m. scutellata, and the Italian bee, A. m. ligus…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 10:33 PM
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If this were true then why don’t men fuck each other They do, under extreme conditions. so why do men refuse to hook up with other men with similar libidos? I said, "men are hornier than women." I didn't say, "men are hyperdense libido black holes." Sexual arousal attenuates the disgust response, just not so much as to make every man bisexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 10:20 PM
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I'm not saying low effort per child, I'm saying lower effort per child. For example, testosterone is linked to aggression and criminality. Violence is a feast-or-famine tactic when it comes to reproduction; it historically for a massive number of low-effort children under certain conditions, or in others complete removal from the gene pool by death. The presence of testosterone doesn't force men to be criminals, but it makes it relatively more likely to make men adopt an R strategy. I don't beli…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 10:06 PM
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Interesting, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 09:38 PM
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All humans are considered to be K's, and on quite the extreme end of the scale too. r vs K is a relative scale. Humans in general are K, but men are relatively more r than women, and that's reflected in Y-linked traits compared to X-linked traits. What's the difference in results cross culturally to address how culture affects drive? I don't know. I can't make a statement for the magnitude of difference because the field is understudied and full of confounders. I'm only arguing the effect exists…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 09:37 PM
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I should mention that there was a brief section I cut from this post because I couldn't find a source to support my claims. Namely, that I suspect the mechanical nature of the penis contributes to greater horniness. I would suspect it's easier to men to notice when they're partially aroused, essentially training themselves to think about sex. Not a hormonal difference, but a biological difference nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 09:13 PM
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Out of curiosity, do you ever have trouble responding to his needs? Does it result in relationship friction? In particular, if your doctor offered you a pill that made you consistently hornier (with some side effects, think "hormonal birth control pill") would you take it? If your doctor offered your partner a pill that made him consistently less horny (same conditions as above), would you encourage him to take it? If both pills were available, and difference in sex drive was causing relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 09:07 PM
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GPT-4 and GitHub copilot is gonna take all the coding jobs anyway The joke's on the management people! Text generators are a productivity enhancer for coders, and coders have only become more in demand as we've become more productive. But management is a cost center, so there's a fixed demand for it. Ironically, writers, artists, and coders have the least to fear from generative AI. Higher productivity and quality for lower cost means more firms and people interested in paying for goods means hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 09:02 PM
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I did post this study that disagreed with my argument about hormonal differences under the " Transgender People and Bodybuilders" section, so I'm open to the idea that, essentially, "it's complicated." But would disagree that "there is not significant evidence that sex influences our baseline horniness." Essentially, I'll elaborate my argument in my last section: We have some studies that suggest men are hornier (though no individual study is conclusive), some studies that fail to show an effect…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:53 PM
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code monkey lmao I've been responding to this thread instead of programming.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:46 PM
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Whoah, calm down. No need to bite my head off. I'm not trying to argue right now-- I'm just suspending judgment. The fact that I've provided sources to back my own views should be proof that I'm arguing in good faith. I don't have any particular reason to disbelieve you are who you say you are, but without evidence you're essentially just making an appeal to authority. I'm sure your professors cited previous studies and historical documents rather than asking you to take them on faith. Give me t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:31 PM
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nonbiological roots of sexual needs. Some first-order causes of sexual needs might be cultural or personal, but biology is at the root of all human behavior. Rejecting hormonally mediated sexual desire as a principal cause of differences in sexual behavior between sexes just means you have to hunt down other biological root causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:23 PM
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But it's still sex. The point I'm making is that it's kind of not. In "The Orgasm Gap" section, I'm making the argument that women are orgasming less than men due (in part) to lower average horniness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:15 PM
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Can you source me? If you're the expert you're the expert, but on the internet I'm hesitant to take things on faith alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:12 PM
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The funny thing is historically people thought women were the horny ones That's a misconception. Marital debt applied to both sexes. Both the husband and the wife had a duty to provide sex to the other. The idea that women could divorce their husbands if they didn't have sex is a misunderstanding of the fact that marriages required consummation, and since impotence would logically prevent consummation, couples who wanted to separate would claim male impotence. Notably, the concept of marital deb…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:55 PM
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Yes, and that's why women have evolved to be less horny than men. I address this under the "The Evolutionary Argument" heading, and to a lesser extent under the "It Would Be Really Weird if Men and Women Were Exactly the Same" heading.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:49 PM
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But, are we just proving statements in a strictly literal sense and disregarding the degree of things as long as the literal statement is proven? Yes. I am not nearly ambitious enough to make a statement about degrees. Not when the data is as fuzzy and confounded as it is. Not when people can't even agree on a philosophical framework by which to rate "horniness." Again, your premise is true, but what's its value? It rejects arguments predicate on women being more horny than men. (Not that these …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:46 PM
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I wouldn't disagree than man-children make female libido even lower, but if men were entirely at fault, we wouldn't see the massive difference in sexual activity I posted in the "lesbians" section.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:38 PM
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Obviously women are sexual. I never said otherwise. But the preponderance of evidence simply indicates that men (on average) are more sexual. Also, the article you linked proves my point. “During women’s peak period of arousal, which occurs around ovulation, their sexual motivation is just as strong as men, Implicitly, at every other point, women are less horny than men. If two cars both have a top speed of 200 MPH, but one can't sustain that speed and the other can, it's easy to judge which car…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:34 PM
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PurplePillDebate is implicitly a subreddit about debating generalities. Nongeneral arguments, i.e., anecdotal evidence is useful to counter absolute statements, but otherwise has very little value. Obviously people still make anecdotal arguments anyways, but that just makes it easy to weed out all the people without formal training in logic and rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:25 PM
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Dude, cut it out with the vitriol. I don't need people getting angry on my behalf. It's actively counterproductive to my goal of getting people to engage in reasoned examination of evidence and debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:15 PM
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So what? I answer this question over the course of the entire post, not just any single heading. Please, read the whole thing. I know that women thinking about sex less isn't sufficient to prove my point-- that's why I include it as only one plank in a much larger argument. Women don’t have lower sexuality than men. Assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. If you have a study showing that net horniness is identical once measured over whatever cyclical period you think …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:11 PM
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Okay, but this particular discussion isn't. I think it's interesting and useful to know that the average american is taller than the average north korean. I think it's interesting and useful to know that the average man is hornier than the average woman. If you want to make a competing post about how sometimes one particular woman might be hornier than one particular man, or even a majority of men, you can. But that would be sort of unnecessary, because I don't think I've ever actually heard som…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:09 PM
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R and K only applies to the species level. An idea this fundamental doesn't only apply narrowly. The species level if just better studied. The fundamental concept between R and K strategies applies to any hereditary trait than can be selected on. Everything from cultural traits to particular alleles can be modelled as being on the spectrum of adhering to R or K strategies. We might be disagreeing based on terminology. When I say "Men are R strategists," I don't mean, "men want to have thousands …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:03 PM
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Disclaimer #1: THIS POST IS ABOUT POPULATIONS, NOT INDIVIDUALS. I don’t care about the extremely horny woman you know, or the asexual guy you’re friends with. Think in terms of bell curves. Please, read my post, and don't just TL;DR. I know you have other things you could spend your next ten minutes doing, but I guarantee it'll take you less time to read this post than it took me to write it. If nothing else, this is a debate sub. If you're going to spend your time on here anyways, would you rat…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:53 PM
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Please, take the effort to read my full post. It's a long one, but I found a lot of interesting statistics while making it-- including one that surprised me by being contrary to my preconceptions. (see: the section labeled "Transgender People and Bodybuilders "). I know it's not what you really want to spend the next 10 minutes doing, but I guarantee it'll take you less time to read it than it took me to write it. As a general rule, if the only time you interact with people who disagree with you…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:49 PM
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You're making a priori arguments, not a posteriori arguments. Arguments based on pure reason stemming from truths taken to be axiomatic aren't useless, but experimental evidence supersedes the work of philosophers And in any case, none of the premises of your argument actually hold. Fact #1 reflects that we have studied a subset of animals and verified that they have sex for pleasure, not that we know every animal that has sex for pleasure. In particular, you're getting your information from a n…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:37 PM
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Yes, that was Disclaimer #1. Disclaimer #1: THIS POST IS ABOUT POPULATIONS, NOT INDIVIDUALS. I don’t care about the extremely horny woman you know, or the asexual guy you’re friends with. Think in terms of bell curves. Please actually read the post, even if you already agree with the premise. I know it's a long one, but there are some interesting sub-results that contradict popular wisdom.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:23 PM
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Disclaimer #1: THIS POST IS ABOUT POPULATIONS, NOT INDIVIDUALS. I don’t care about the extremely horny woman you know, or the asexual guy you’re friends with. Think in terms of bell curves.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:21 PM
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To give you some perspective, I literally just (between posting this thread and replying to you) made an AI-assisted profile photo. I'm going to see how it works out for me and maybe get back to you. For my workflow, I did the following: Had a mini photo-session, where I put on a few of my outfits and took a bunch of timed photos with my phone in a really ghetto, improvised setup. I used https://clipdrop.co/relight to fix the lighting of my photo-- instead of the yellowish ambiance of my home li…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:45 AM
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If the developers are ethical: You'll find it easer to find "the one" AI knows you, and it knows every other user and will get you in touch with the right person. I'm absolutely convinced this will never come to pass, if only because incentives are so blatantly misaligned. The incentive of the developer is to get people using and paying for their app. The incentive of the user is to find "the one" as quickly as possible, and then stop using the stupid app. There's a symbiotic loop between serial…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 06:39 AM
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Those posts typically fall into one of two categories: "AI girlfriend" far future prognostications people taking a specific stance about how dating will become even more difficult and asking others to change their views. This thread is intended to be both more grounded and more neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 05:30 AM
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But if the AI got you there in personal the first place, that's still an improvement. It should be a boon for people more confident with how they can present themselves in person than on the internet. Personally, for example, I have very rare successes getting matches, but if I can transmute a match into a date I'm much more effective in getting women to like me in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 03:47 AM
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Women aren't the only ones with snapchat filters. Nothing prevents men from touching up their photos with AI, save for maybe the fact that most AI currently out are primarily designed to accentuate feminine features.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 03:38 AM
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It's a signal of good nutrition and healthy genes. Poor childhood nutrition and genetic defects can both contribute to a person not reaching their genetically mediated height. Consequently, primate gut instinct tells women that if someone is taller that the population average, it's likely they had better childhood nutrition and better genes than average, which in turn implies (for a variety of reasons) a greater ability to provide for newborns that themselves will reproduce. There are also numer…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/23 03:36 AM
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That's the "girl next door" fantasy. Yes, there are people who are desirable and oblivious about it, but they are rare, have tight social bonds that distract them from both discovering their social cachet and dating regular schmoes like the rest of us, and probably married to their childhood sweethearts anyways. I'm not a redpiller, but the "looksmatch" thing is relevant and extends to varied circumstances. Of you want somoene that's attractive, you have to be attractive. If you want someone tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 07:19 AM
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Is there a method of doing that Yes, but ignore the guy trying to tell you being feminine is composed of concrete actions. Feminine/masculine refer to two things. The first is secondary and tertiary sexual characteristics, which naturally can be emphasized or altered with clothing, exercise, surgery, and hormones. The second is the degree to which people engage in behaviors that enhance the status of opposite-gender partners. For example: baking. Men baked bread for thousands of years, and yet f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 07:26 AM
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In depth post, so tl;dr: People have symmetrical desires. People who don't care about status won't care about their own status. People who don't care about looks won't care about their own looks. Looks confer status, so looking for someone who doesn't emphasize looks means looking for someone who is both unattractive and low status. Is that a sacrifice you're willing to make? Long version: Depends what you mean by "looks." Purely random, aesthetic features like skin color, hair color, eye color,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:59 AM
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Okay, let me tell you what's going to happen. I'm going to link this post of mine. You're going to say, "the left doesn't force women to do these things." I'm going to say, "the left encourages women to do these things, and just like the doctor encourages you to take meds, that's a prescription." Then you're going to say, "most women don't do these things," then I'll say, "most women don't seek a leftist model of femininity, just like most men don't seek a redpill model of feminity, but if there…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 05:36 AM
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Conservatism is so appealing to many young men because it tells them they're good important boys who come from a long line of good important men who are special just by virtue of their gender. And feeling special feels good. Sure. This is a mean-spirited, but also not entirely incorrect way to characterise how giving people prescriptive gender models works. It's also generalizable-- conservative ideology does the exact same thing for women. It encourages (its model of) femininity, and validates …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 05:22 AM
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You are the one that says left "disregards gender in prescribing behavior" and "has no prescriptive suggestions for what women should do" That's the opposite of what I said. I'm claiming the left tells women what they should do. It doesn't force women to do those things, but it rewards them for doing them, and doesn't reward doing men for doing the same things. It might help you to articulate what a careless left would look like. I bet you will not be able to define it. You are also arguing agai…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 05:06 AM
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If in Mississippi 26 voted for democrats, 28 for republicans, and 42 for independent (as the first graph shown from the chart you linked to) then you'd be wrong to call it a block. Okay, so we're just having a pointless dictionary-definition argument. "Men, as a block disproportionately vote conservative." Happy now? Also, we're arguing across, like, three different threads... let's condense it down to just the one where your comment starts with "Why did you think that I didn't know that that's …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 04:50 AM
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But how is either one inherently prescriptive? I'm starting to think you don't know the difference between that and a stereotype The difference between a gender stereotype and a gender role is the presence of an enforcement mechanism. Leftists do try to stick primarily to positive reinforcement-- supporting, praising, and socially rewarding women who match leftist prescriptions for femininity. But positive reinforcement is still reinforcement. "Having a period" is a property of the female sex, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 04:49 AM
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How about any evidence? If you want to argue, you have to make claims, and then you have provide evidence for each of those claims. Then your opponent picks at the claims by either bringing your evidence into question, which brings us back to whatever the null hypothesis is, or they post counterclaims and associated evidence to attempt to actually disprove the claim made. Currently you have plenty of claims, but zero evidence. Once you have claims and evidence, they you can start working on an a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 03:43 AM
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I don't understand what we're arguing about here at this point. Yes, young voters are majority democratic, regardless of gender. But a smaller share of young male voters are democratic versus young female voters. And in my post, I'm explaining-- part of-- why that phenomenon exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 03:39 AM
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Leftists didn’t invent that prescription. And capitalists didn't invent the category of "man" and "woman," but just like they rederived the notion of assigning labor specialization by gender from the ideologically capitalist support for labor specialization by capability, anarchists can re-derive the category of "Adult" and "Child" from anarchist notions of cooperation and voluntary labor to provide for and educate members of the community who have reduced capacity to provide for themselves. Per…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 03:34 AM
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As I understand it, your argument is basically, "leftist ideology doesn't have any concept of masculinity because neither femininity nor masculinity is not a concept derived from leftist ideology." And then you get angry, because you assume my argument is that "leftists aren't manly." Specifically, you think I'm trying to use the following 'gotcha' argument: Masculinity is defined by adherence to strict cultural rules about what a 'man' is. Leftism is not an ideological category principally conc…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 03:27 AM
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Look at that data again, and you'll learn when you said "Men as a block consistently vote conservative" you ignored men that vote democrats. "People from Mississippi, as a block, consistently vote conservative." I don't think my phrasing is particularly unusual. I'm not saying every man is conservative, just that men are disproportionately conservative. You seem to think I'm making an absolutist argument, but I don't need absolutism to make my point. Grifters don't need every man to use conserva…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:45 AM
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Men are disproportionately young, which means the data is even more skewed than what's presented here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:40 AM
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I would. I don't think that there's anything wrong with a woman wanting to be a submissive housewife or a feminist libertine if she so chooses. I think I was either unclear, or there suffered some sort of misunderstanding between reading your earlier commment and making mine. For an attempt at clarification, I'll deconstruct my own argument. Essentially, I'm saying that (my reading of) your argument is that you're saying that women should fight for greater rights, powers, and privileges. The und…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:39 AM
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You're the one who made this about leftists, though. Never in my life have I encountered a leftist telling me how to be feminine. Telling you? No. Culture is rarely that explicit. But you obviously have a model of what femininity is, and specifically, if I ask you to think of a "feminine, leftist woman," you'll make different assumptions than if I tell you to think of a "feminine, conservative woman." Leftist ideology encourages and provides socially-mediated rewards for sex-specfic behavior for…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:26 AM
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called a woman because that’s her right to make that choice regardless of what society says. If that were the entirety of the issue, no one would care if someone else called them anything other than their identified gender. But I don't care whether you're cis or trans-- if someone you're interacting with continually denies that you're a member of your identified gender, you're going to be hurt and angry in a way you wouldn't be if it was just another pointless label other people ascribe to you. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:11 AM
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I will dismiss your claims without evidence because you've made them without evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:06 AM
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I don't give a shit what Matt Walsh thinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:05 AM
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Unless you're a hardcore egoist, you definitely still believe that society should prescribe morality and behavior. Unless you believe children should be thrown out into the wilderness to make their own way, you definitely still believe that people need deontological, prescriptive steps to follow to live their lives. You can speak in terms of moving the needle on the degree to which people derive their morality and behavior from social influences, but you can't speak of removing those influences …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:05 AM
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Where did you get the idea that the left thinks women "support each other through menstruation", or that they think women "commiserate over shared experiences like motherhood" The left thinks women should do these things. That's what being a "prescriptive" model means. Your example of what leftist masculinity means doesn't fall apart because it's not prescriptive, but because it's not masculine-- it's all stuff the left would also want to see in a woman. Yes, the left has a greater emphasis on p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:03 AM
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Gay men can choose to have truly comical amounts of sex. An attractive straight man is limited by how long it takes to woo a woman. An attractive gay man is limited primarily by their own libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:46 AM
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Considering you've still given no clear definition of what the leftist prescriptive femininity is, I literally gave you a list of specific prescriptions descending from leftist precepts. What more do you want? Yeah you don't measure up to those prescriptions. Neither do you seem to be in any denial about the fact that you don't match common models of femininity. I don't see how I can misinterpret your statement. What you're describing (makeup, certain clothes, having babies, etc.) is all shit I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:36 AM
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That's an extremely uncharitable interpretation of what I said. I'm not talking about culture here-- there's leftist male culture, just like there's leftist female culture. But I'm using the word "prescriptive" for a reason-- this post is about what the cultural left wants out of men versus women, and why it's bad that what the left wants is "nothing."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:20 AM
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Well, you're probably right, but I think that the cultural left's argument is that no role is needed. I would agree that that's the position held by the left. In this post, I'm trying to convince the left that they should abandon it. but largely I think that men should learn to adapt, as many successful men already are doing. Amusingly, this is itself a prescriptivist, exclusive vision for what it means to be a man-- that men should adapt to cultural systems, rather than change them to be in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:18 AM
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That's random! Do you have data to support that https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2018/03/2_2.png?w=420 My statement could also be reframed as, "women as a block consistently vote progressive." Either way, the outcome is identical. The can't refuse to be people or men, they are people and men. But at different times, people determine what their actions should be based off of different identities they hold, including their gender identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:14 AM
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You claimed the left assigned or supported the roles of “adult” vs “child” in society, when in fact that is done by capitalism and nation-states. Without getting too in the weeds about what a "leftist" is, I think you have to define the term "leftist" to be pointlessly narrow to argue that any significant fraction of leftists truly believe that the categories "adult" and "child" don't exist. If nothing else, the prescription that adults shouldn't have sex with children, shouldn't want to have se…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:11 AM
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I think you're intentionally interpreting my statement in a way that lets you avoid them by technicality (see 3. specifically, I made a pretty specific claim there that you're not addressing.) But okay, let's say you are completely without feminine quantities. At this point, what makes you say you're a woman? If for you there are no prescriptive, exclusive dictates for either gender, there would be literally no difference between defining yourself as a man or as a woman. You said I'm feminine in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 04:07 AM
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There are frameworks for men, but those frameworks come from pro-women groups and not pro-men groups, so they tend to be negative with the intention of protecting women than helping men. If I wanted to sum up my entire argument in a single sentence, this would be it. You may not ultimately have chosen to adhere to any leftist model of femininity, but as you mention in the offhand comment about whether to be "married, single, straight, lesbian, high powered career woman, housewife, or a sex worke…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 03:58 AM
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The myth that all mothers can bond on those things is an enforced myth. There are plenty of mothers that right after birth resent motherhood and get depressed, but no one talks about it - it's not part of the "motherhood hole". Exactly. There is a prescriptive expectation of behavior for women to follow. Word salad. Ok, if women weren't so divided they would have nurtured that outgrowth and it would have developed sooner. No movement is natural. Variants of the metoo movement have existed since …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 03:49 AM
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I don’t think that most standards of masculinity are practical or even applicable anymore That's where we disagree and where the men seeking role models in the manosphere also disagree with you. It's fair to hold the position you do, and even if I was inclined to prove it wrong it would still be valid to disregard identity as a "man" if favor of other identities. But as a practical measure, an ideology must appeal to a variety of identities. Men as a block consistently vote conservative not beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 08:23 PM
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, I wear only enough makeup to cover acne scarring, I'd point out that this is really quite feminine behavior. Though admittedly it's not a leftist feminist ideal, so i won't use it to bolster my argument. That being said, I suspect that at least some of the following are applicable. You: seek out or are invited to female exclusive or dominated spaces to participate in on their virtue as male-exclusionary spaces. talk with other women about problems faced by your gender, and in congress with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 08:17 PM
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Regardless of why you came to hold your personal philosophies, they didn't come from a vacuum. You adopted and the refined ideologies transmitted to you by others. No one starts from a basepoint of infinite capacity to analyse the universe. The analytical lense you developed stems from the identities that influenced you, and without positive, masculine identities to influence with, leftist young men choose identities that at least present themselves as sharing common elements with their other id…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 07:59 PM
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If you want to debate, do so in good faith. This isn't a post about "shitting on those cultural degenerates." It's about a major deficiency in an ideological system I otherwise find much to admire in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 07:54 PM
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but "here are the roads you can take, their lengths, directions, etc." Then you pick the road best suited to your needs or possibly cut a new path, if you dare. And the problem I'm pointing out is that the cultural left isn't providing those possible roads... It isn't providing a sanctioned lidt of well-trod" masculine" roads. Men look for directions, and find that all the directions labeled as being for men and only for men were posted from non-leftist sourcrs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 07:52 PM
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I sincerely doubt you live your life completely without reference to what other people tell you. If you so much as read a map, you are finding yourself in need of instruction from another human.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 05:23 PM
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Do you wear socks under your shoes? Do you wait in queues? Do you adhere to forum moderation rules? Do you think in abstract thoughts exclusively, or also incorporate language? Unless you live total goblin mode at all times, you, too, follow cultural rules. Even laws themselves derive from cultural precepts like, "we value an innocent's life over that of a murderer's." Obviously, you disregard rules you feel hamper more than help... And so does everyone else. You are neither more nor less a cult…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 05:21 PM
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Not every individual needs a gendered self-image of how to live their lives, but you're still openly identifying as a leftist-- you're still abiding by other people's prescriptivist, deontological rules of behavior that depend on an identity defined, again, in part, by other people. Imagine I wrote a post about how the cultural left had no prescriptive political identity. I'd be laughed out of the room, and by you included.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 05:17 PM
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he whole point is to avoid prescriptive models. As long as you aren't harming others, be whoever and do whatever the fuck you want to b That is a prescriptive model of human behavior. "First, do no harm." I suspect you view yourself as being "feminine," at least to some extent. If you dig into that even a little, you'll discover that you do in fact adhere to prescriptive cultural recommendations revolving around your gender, which in turn may or may not be the ones defined by the leftist cultura…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 05:14 PM
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Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 04:09 PM
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choosing your own values, rejecting those imposed on you that you disagree with, and acting in the world as you see fit. All those things also apply to women. You have (proposed) no prescriptive model of masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:56 PM
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Done, you can see all my replies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:55 PM
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Look... I reject transgender ideology for religious and logical reasons. But it's false to say that the left doesn't know what a woman is and should do, and that understanding is applied in a consistent fashion to trans women. A leftist is self-consistent and truthful when they say, "a trans woman is a woman," because they adhere to a cultural concept of gender that operates independently from physical features. They don't offer any specific definition of masculinity, but they do exclude trans m…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:54 PM
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I adhere to a non-leftist, non-toxic vision of masculinity. I disdain models of masculinity geared around violence, promiscuity, and the submission of others, but also disdain those who dismiss or minimize the existence of masculinity. I think men and women are dignified and equal in a moral sense, but reject the idea of symmetric responsibilities or capabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:44 PM
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Why do you need to be told how to be? Why can’t we all just be who we want to be without gender specified guidance? No human can live without instructions from others, and without reference to the expectations of their communities. We proactively look for identities to define ourselves around, and judge our standing by the degree to which we're publicly acknowledged as fulfilling them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:40 PM
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It sounds like I've transcended the simple dichotomies of the Red Pill, and embraced a traditional, compassionate view of masculinity in line with my religious and cultural traditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:38 PM
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That's my point-- when people raised in a leftist cultural context can't look towards leftism for their definition of masculinity, they look for alternatives. I'd be happy if they found my religion's traditions regarding masculinity, and thereby adopted the rest of it, but in practice a lot of these young men are finding Andrew Tate and other demagogues, are getting hooked into the appealing but unhealthy conceptions of masculinity they promote, ultimately falling for ideologies worse than what …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:36 PM
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I don't feel like society as a whole has annihilated the concept of "man". I do see male-only spaces, and prescriptive models of what it means to be a man. I've raised this complaint specifically about leftist spaces because I think it's dangerous for an ideology with such mass appeal to not have a model for masculinity. To want to destroy traditional norms is understandable; to have nothing to replace them isn't. It's a gap for far more poisonous ideologies to slip through, in leftism's wake.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:34 PM
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yep, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:30 PM
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Warran Farrell Interesting reference, thank you. I suppose I feel vindicated to know that there was a concerted effort to create a leftist model of masculinity, and that other thinkers realized the need for one well before I wrote this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:29 PM
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Being redpill just mean you've seen the world or system for what it is... It's not a specific ideology, but ideologies can manifest by seeing the truth. You can be a liberal or conservative or a fence sitter and be redpill. Just clarifying. That might be the self-image the redpilled have, but it also refers to a narrow range of stances in the culture wars, several types of coordinated images of masculinity and femininity, and an adherence to particular priors about the underlying condition of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:25 PM
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You didn't really list what the "clear, articulated" model of what women are supposed to be was. Admittedly I'm being more than a little vague about that, partially out of laziness, partially out of the fact that I'm not a leftist woman and therefore am not going to fully understand how that model works, or how that model looks like from the inside. But I think it's pretty undeniable that there's a leftist "culture" that's specifically and exclusively for women-- feminist spaces that men can at …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 03:17 PM
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The left is defined by breaking molds and defining who you are individually. The right is defined by more rules, roles, and tradition. The left is generally not interested in defining what masculinity is or giving it a model. But it is interested in defining what femininity is, and giving it a model. The cultural left promotes women-only and women-dominated spaces. (I don't mean, "at the expense of men," I'm not supporting that conspiracy theory... just that the left finds ideological value in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 02:54 PM
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Today you've discovered that people of different political beliefs put additional expectations on women in addition to those put on both men and women. Yes, leftist political belief has positive expectations of women and no positive expectations of men (it does have negative expectations of men, such as "don't rape people", but those also apply in general). In that sense, you're right. And you're also free to believe that the differential expectations put on men and women by non-leftist ideologi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 02:33 PM
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As an anarchist, I think that modern societal attitudes towards children are highly coercive and involve lots of statist intervention. The government defines when a child becomes an adult, for the purposes of the capitalist system. It is, in fact, coercive, but that's kind of my point-- there are specific, exclusive, behavior society agrees fall under the domains of "adult" and "child." It rewards people for following those behavior because if they do they are "good" adults/children, and punishe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 02:20 PM
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What about women that aren't into motherhood? Even in prescriptive models, not everyone has to agree with every segment of the model to accept the model as a whole. But while motherhood is not a requirement for every women, it is an entitlement of exclusively women. Fatherhood, meanwhile, does not exist in any exclusive fashion-- any aspect of behavior forming a core aspect of "fatherhood" is also a behavior the cultural left proposes for people in general rather than for men specifically. One o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 02:17 PM
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Motherhood isn't a duty, but it is in the segment of behaviors women exclusively are entitled to do. That is to say, women don't have to be mothers, but only women are allowed to be mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:50 PM
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Went to sleep, but I'm back. Please re-add.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:48 PM
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The point I'm making is that Brazilian expat communuties are typically the bst parts of Brazilian culture. The ignorant, annoying, and lazy parts of any culture tend to stay home and stagnate. Ummigrant communities, in general, have more educated and motivated people. Take politics-- no doubt you're pissed with all the idiotic hot takes you hear from other Brazilians. But in all the time I interacted with the Brazilian community, politics barely came up. The extent to which we talked about Brazi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 12:14 AM
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It's good that you have a plan, then. You're thinking the wrong way about immigrant communities, though. The kind of people in those communities will be in a similar situation as you-- they wanted to leave their home country, and they wanted to prosper in their new one. But it can be alienating to try and integrate to a foreign country, and you will crave a taste of the old world (even if you don't actually want to return.) Your written english is very good, but I can guarantee that native portu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 06:14 AM
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IllegalLifeProTip here, but Brazilian illegal immigrants are definitely a thing in the states. Fly to miami and overstay your visa. There's a huge brazilian community. You'll get all the standard downsides of being an illegal immigrant though, notably the sort of career paths you can take. Alternatively, to get here legally, your next best bet is doing a STEM PHD at a US university. US schools have a reputation for being expensive, but at the PHD level you get paid for being a research adjunct, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 03:59 AM
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