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| 0 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?50 percent Just getting divorced doesn't mean that either you lost the kids or that you got screwed over. That's what I want supported. How many of those divorces are amicable? How many end in equal custody? Etc etc. get married would report that they're in love That's quite the assumption. I would say a significant-enough part of marriages are oops pregnancy induced to say that isn't valid. It's also quite the assumption that divorce == no love left. Again. definition of love By all means, give… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 11:08 PM |
| 0 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?These questions are intellectually dishonest. LOL, I actually rolled my eyes there. It was like midnight, and I was rambling. The second paragraph is where I realized what you were getting at. often Source. Where is the stats on how many divorces end in alimony? I'm not pretending anything, and thanks for 'being dishonest' there; you appear to have this Disneyesque definition of love where if your breath doesn't catch when you think about someone it isn't love. Bull. There are all kinds of love,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 02:49 PM |
| 1 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?You're drawing a distinction between "loving someone but leaving them" and "not loving someone" -- I think that's a distinction without a difference. How the crap can you not draw a distinction there? Do you still live with your parents? Do ya still love them? I assume no and yes? If I divorce someone, get half their stuff, and take their kids I don't think that can be considered "love" in any realistic sense. .... Oh. Dude, jaded much there...? Okay, in the world where every single divorce ends… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 03:59 AM |
| 1 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?Unconditional love is maybe like a mother and child; there is no rational reason other than she carried the child. Love between adults has much more rationality to it, imo - as I said I think of it as a build up of positive associations with a person. Loving without reservation then is loving someone even when they make mistakes / 'lose frame' / lose status, or what have you. The love TRP likes to throw around is completely conditional - I was trying to distinguish from that end, but it's also n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/07/15 02:42 AM |
| 1 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?I did not say unconditional, I said "actual"; ie love that isn't just for your status or money. I would not say I believe in love at first sight or goofy shit like that. More like a bond that develops over shared experiences. With that in mind, you simply cannot prove that that kind of love does not exist, the same way you can't disprove God or the spaghetti monster. To prove it does exist, all you need to do is find one case where it does; in my experience, I have seen that case. Ergo, I know i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/15 05:17 PM |
| 1 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?The word "incapable" is the only word that matters. It is an insult, because people are capable of loving without reservation. Which also answers the next point - where is the proof that that is reality? Children can be logical. Double sigh. Children are incapable of cause and effect, and taking responsibility for their actions. If you are as a child, the only thing that would save you from this is logic - if you do not have it, you are again as a child is. If you were blamed for something, you … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/15 12:39 AM |
| 1 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?Sigh. And everything else that article says? In the same respect that women cannot appreciate the sacrifices men are expected to make in order to facilitate their imperatives, women can’t actualize how a man would have himself loved by her. Men are the romantics forced to be the realists, while women are the realists using romanticisms to effect their imperatives (hypergamy). Our girlfriends, our wives, daughters and even our mothers are all incapable of this idealized love. a woman’s love is co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/15 12:08 AM |
| 1 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?That isn't what he's being told. Him being told what you've said would sound like "Men have unrealistic expectations of love", not "Women are utterly incapable of loving a man in the way that a man expects to be loved." This has the connotation of the man's expectations being perfectly fine, with the woman being the one at fault... As with most advice from TRP, it has an inherent anti-women slant. I'm saying none of the parts you've quoted say that women are horrible. And I said if you seriously… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 09:25 PM |
| 1 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?.... I have a personal rule to not argue with religion, which this has suddenly shifted into, so I'm going to bid you a good day here instead. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 04:41 PM |
| 1 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?So, basically, you'd be willing to keep with TRP with no actual scientific basis? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 03:03 PM |
| 1 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?That is an excellent argument to why evo psych is nonsense in general. TRP is the thing hailing evo psych as legit, I don't personally assign it that level of credence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 02:43 PM |
| 1 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?That is not the point. The agreed upon accepted standard is sidebar is TRP. Whether or not you personally agree with or use each part is not a concern, as I'm not debating your interpretation of TRP, I'm debating the philosophy itself. That's why I say the stuff on the bar is valid for subwoofers. .... If you seriously think those quotes aren't attempting to paint all women in a negative light, you have drunk the koolaid. That is all there is to that. Who is the audience for this? Men. What is a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 01:24 PM |
| 1 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?.... Evo psych by definition is the study of the subconscious processes humans have as a result of natural evolutionary process. It sure as shit is applicable to every human, unless they literally have brain abnormalities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 01:10 PM |
| 1 | Do you believe that women have ruined society ?Okay, that makes way more sense. It's what I would have figured in general but I didn't know if it was one of those quirky things I just hadn't picked up on yet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 01:05 PM |
| 1 | CMV.. In Western American Society, it matters a hell of a lot more on your attractiveness than gender. IE: Being an attractive white females is more privileged than being an unattractive white male.Yeah, that's what I thought you were saying, your different-gender example seriously threw me off. I wasn't sure if we were trying to talk about attractiveness versus gender or something... Thank you for answering! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/07/15 03:19 AM |
| 2 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?Happily, just finished another post about this. "Women are utterly incapable of loving a man in the way that a man expects to be loved." "At first it may seem like an assault against your good senses to think of adult women as mere children or teenagers. " "Women are irrational and inconsistent, they have a capacity for logic but it is not their modus operandi, that is to say that they must exert effort to be logical as it is not their factory setting." This is not women are not saints. This is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 11:08 PM |
| 2 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?Ok, off work and can get back into serious stuff. Lying to suit your purposes is on the sidebar. Thus, it's TRP. I wasn't saying those things were gaslighting, I said they share a common core, which is the willingness to lie for your own benefit at the expense of another. It's a heuristic ... It's not meant to be an absolute statement Is TRP not the concise guide to getting the wimmens? And yet, what appears to be a major part of it (the reminder that women aren't without sin) is some floppy neb… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 10:50 PM |
| 2 | CMV.. In Western American Society, it matters a hell of a lot more on your attractiveness than gender. IE: Being an attractive white females is more privileged than being an unattractive white male.Not disagreeing here... If I could have picked, all other things equal about me, I would have picked male. The professional trade-offs aren't worth the useless-to-an-asexual dating perks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 10:10 PM |
| 2 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?? The surround sound is everything on the sidebar except get buff, get confident, get interesting. It's been stated by TRPer's that the sidebar is the authority. Am I not reading you correctly now? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 10:08 PM |
| 3 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?I don't think you read me correctly. In the metaphor, the subwoofers and the shark face are the sketchy bits. No one was saying anything about TRP being the only solution - what was being said was that the bits which are the solution (the body of the plane) do not justify saying the surround sound is necessary. The first line was only me responding to your metaphor. IE to prove a plane flies - that's an incorrect extension of what I was saying, as what I was saying was more along the lines of th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 09:38 PM |
| 2 | Universal Pills: Do you think there are WORSE subs on Reddit to be concerned about than TRP?Eh. I guess that's our different view on it then. I took the huge amount of naysaying comments more seriously than the quarter second upvotes... even those votes were about 60-40, (if you look at the post votes) in favor of the outrage machine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 09:21 PM |
| 1 | Universal Pills: Do you think there are WORSE subs on Reddit to be concerned about than TRP?Links on BP regularly get that many upvotes, though.. That's only business as usual. There's one on the FP right now at 120, and another at 202. For comparison, the top link for all time on BP was only three months ago, at almost 900. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 08:57 PM |
| 8 | CMV.. In Western American Society, it matters a hell of a lot more on your attractiveness than gender. IE: Being an attractive white females is more privileged than being an unattractive white male.Um? I disagree that it's because she's a woman, I'd say an attractive X has an easier time than an unattractive X. It seems like this is also your view, but it looks like you switch to a gender dependent hypothetical at the end... Could you clarify? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 08:20 PM |
| 1 | Do you believe that women have ruined society ?Is it actually they / a core of TRP, or just a common sentiment? I'm not sure how abortion law plays into one's sexual strategy, so it seems kind of off. The poly compass poll showed a good amount of TRP was more conservative, so I was wondering if it's just political overflow. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 08:02 PM |
| 1 | [Discussion / both pills] Social Immaturity driving society to turn to BP / RPDamn, we were just talking about this in that other thread. What I said there, which is a general observation: Hypothetical aside, I agree with the thought - I would say it's piss poor parenting leading to entitled and / or misinformed children (both genders) which then lead to societal problems. Parenting is so overbearing and hand-holding these days it's ridiculous. [God I sound like an old fart] In Illinois, for example, it's illegal leave your child home alone until they are 14. What the act… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 07:57 PM |
| 1 | Do you believe that women have ruined society ?TRP thinks abortion is destructive? That's a new one for me. Why? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 07:30 PM |
| 2 | Do you believe that women have ruined society ?The parents ruined the child, and by extension themselves. If you raise your child to be a prat, chances are they are going to turn into a prat. Hypothetical aside, I agree with the thought - I would say it's piss poor parenting leading to entitled and / or misinformed children (both genders) which then lead to societal problems. Parenting is so overbearing and hand-holding these days it's ridiculous. [God I sound like an old fart] In Illinois, for example, it's illegal leave your child home alo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 07:28 PM |
| 2 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?Yeah, women can be shitty, same as men... personally my problem is the message is usually all women are shitty. I try not to comment on the 'women can do no wrong' thing, as it's just alien to me. I can't imagine believing that, nor can I imagine anyone saying it... Which, now that I'm thinking about it, is probably also why I'm dismissive of the AWALT concept. Hmm. "Anger phasers" do need to relax a bit, I would agree... getting angry doesn't help their progress after all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 06:20 PM |
| 2 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?Gaslighting isn't called out specifically normally, no. However, things like lie when it's convenient, keep her guessing, dread, are common. It's just different trappings on the same core idea. Answer please. Awalt is always true. And perfectly defensible. As soon as everyone decides on a single definition for AWALT, then I'd be willing to hear defenses for it. What you linked doesn't even try, it only goes into the effects / why it's used. Until then, I'm going to continue using the commonly th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 06:08 PM |
| 2 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?I guess? I've not read DE or seen original RP (didn't know that was a thing), so I will take your word for it. What? Which things are we counting as anathema to self-improvement? Because while I didn't directly state that women aren't inherently liars or disloyal, for instance, it seems clear that I am disagreeing with those thoughts in the post waayyy up there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 05:53 PM |
| 3 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?No, I'm frustrated [kind of a strong word] that it apparently takes a scapegoat of an entire gender to get people to realize they have problems. The world is unfair. Life is unfair. That is no more the doing of women than it is men. You take incorrectly. I want people in general to have some self-awareness, and some self-value, and I don't see why the demonization of women as a whole is a necessary part of that. A guy shouldn't stick with a girl shaming him for being a virgin any more than a gir… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 04:59 PM |
| 2 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?Um, IDK if you've been out lately, but saying anything about TRP in the real world is taboo. I'm speaking specifically about on this sub, where we're supposed to be debating the ideas behind TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 04:41 PM |
| 3 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?You can have an incorrect opinion. :| It's not about being shamed, it's about being logically reasonable, at least in PPD. AWALT is inherently an indefensible statement. See my reply to Xenmas. Look around, many people are lazy and fat, TRP brings motivation. What kind of person are you, when you need to demonize an entire group of people for you to work on your own problems? That's what I was getting at. Gaslighting isn't called out specifically normally, no. However, things like lie when it's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 04:38 PM |
| 2 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?..... The sketchy as shit bits are there to make the poor souls finding TRP have a scapegoat to make them feel better, and if you truly think differently you've drunk the koolaid, man. Women are disloyal, dishonest, act like children, don't take responsibility - these are not about the improvement of the individual. It's about giving a target to project negative feelings on to ('anger phase'). The problem is that crap is still there once the guy has really started to improve himself, and now it'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 04:21 PM |
| 3 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?That's exactly what I said, dude. Most BPer's / antireds will generally say TRP tactics work on some women. By saying 'all women' it's a fallacy, yes. Using MWALT now the debate is "what type of woman?", instead of what we have, which is "this is bullshit on every level, why the frig do you guys believe this, you're so out of touch." Poor framing of that argument, and variable usage among TRP members, has led to much of the disagreement I've seen about the subject. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 04:11 PM |
| 3 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?Trp is the only place that tells you that it is ok to work on yourself. That the one doesn't exist. Normally you hear: nah don't work out, with the right girl everything will work out. While I don't agree, bigger fish to fry. Trp gives you the tools to make it work out with nearly every girl. See my discussion above. Bullshit, dude. Nearly every girl includes the lesbians, the married women, the nuns, the asexuals, the hyper religious, and on and on and on. AWALT Out of curiosity, do you guys re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 01:24 PM |
| 2 | Universal Pills: Do you think there are WORSE subs on Reddit to be concerned about than TRP?Just for you, I went and tried to find it again - tah da. Like I said, no one was singing praises, but the thoughts were pretty uniformly "Clam the f*** down, man." [That, and the support was still 'let's make fun of them' colored. But the thought is there.] | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 12:24 PM |
| 4 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?Nah nah nah, see, that's only legit if I claim this configuration of parts that make a plane is the only way to make it fly. That's what he was doing here, and that's often what is done on TRP (Betas don't get 'good' women, women all do X, and you need to consider all of these X things for your 'game' to work). Instead, what I was saying was maybe you only need the engines, wings, and fuselage, and you don't need the subwoofers or the shark face paint job. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 12:16 PM |
| 3 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?Yes, I am, and I have asked RPer's for this data. They don't have it. They will usually produce some news coverage of an article and call it a day, which is crappy sourcing, and on further digging it's normally an incorrect account. Journalists aren't scientists, after all... As I said in my first post, if someone had produced some legit data I would be a lot less skeptical. The CDC reports the average partner count for women at around 3.6 IIRC. They report the male count to be 7ish, again IIRC.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 03:30 AM |
| 3 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?warped views :| Don't feel like getting into that, so ditto. But I am noting my protest. This then goes back to what I originally said - if you're claiming that this works on het women, for arguments' sake I'll even go with "most", where is the actual proof? "Most" hetero women are not bar hopping, or on dating sites, or what have you. To claim "most" by definition you have to include some married women, as >50% of women are married. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 03:15 AM |
| 5 | Universal Pills: Do you think there are WORSE subs on Reddit to be concerned about than TRP?The only actual way of 'doing something' would be to get a sub banned, and I'm pretty sure BP came out in support of TRP for the most part when the Fattening happened. [Support meaning they didn't think TRP was harassing people; looks like the post got axed over on TBP.] The only way this post makes sense is if you think BP posters believe they are 'doing something' to erode TRP by debating, to which I LOL. The closest you get to 'doing something' is the person saying they are trying to sway und… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 03:08 AM |
| 3 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?No, dude, I understood it perfectly. TRP does not make this qualifier explicitly, and in fact it is not made in the sidebar material at all, which has been stated to be the center of TRP by TRPers. I would point out that evo psyche, which is the basis of a lot of the tenets, should be equally applicable to all women. I am not going to take an unstated assumption over a logical conclusion. EDIT - blanket upvote to balance. WTF guys. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 02:41 AM |
| 3 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?I did read the context. For what you say here to be true, one would have to assume married women / lesbians were not any of bodacious, demure, etc. Your context was talking about breeds of women, and women as a whole in society; that does not seem like a statement specific to single heteros. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 01:53 AM |
| 3 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?No, the point is that those bits work without the other, sketchy as shit bits. That isn't TRP working. To say TRP works, you would have to prove that every tenet given on the sidebar, at the least, is CRITICAL to the success of the enterprise, and without every part it would fail. You're taking those tiny bits, which TRP stole from everyone else ever, and using it to claim all the rest of the stuff is legit. It's a fallacy. If I say the sky is blue, the oceans are red, and the trees are grey, th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 01:19 AM |
| 6 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?Yeah, I was pretty sure this was coming. Done here now too, as I already said it was my own observation. EDIT - blanket upvotes for you, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 01:06 AM |
| 6 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?In the 'Is this guy attractive?' game, (Redpill == False) does not mean (Exact Opposite of Redpill == True). Additionally, what you mentioned are the bits of advice that most BPer's / antired folks agree on, and are not TRP exclusive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 01:03 AM |
| 7 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?Sigh. I'm under the impression that plates usually know they are plates / they aren't SOs, so I assume not. She never mentioned him seeing other women, but I wasn't close to him at all so I can't verify. To be crystal clear, they WERE boyfriend / girlfriend, officially. I assume I would have heard about it if he had been running around and she found out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 12:45 AM |
| 5 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?That is rarely how the argument is presented, and it's not how you presented it above. You said "whatever the fuck else category" - that includes lesbians and happily married women, by any rational interpretation, does it not? This is my problem with the statement. The marriage number is not surprising considering the culture. Marry young, have 2.5 kids, everything will work out with the power of love - celebrity starter marriages - as a culture, we simply do not give much credence to marriage. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 12:39 AM |
| 6 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?I'm not having an argument with you here any more than I was in the other thread. No, I know the guy was emotionally distant because I met him / saw them interact. I am specifically using an instance where I can verify what I'm saying, completely as an outside observer. [As much as I can be considering she's a friend.] | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 12:29 AM |
| 1 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?Yeah, I'm done here. I'm not going to bang my head against a wall. I already said the unusual factor about me is that I'm asexual, which is estimated at <1% of the population. I've also said these guy friends are aware of it, for the most part. Thus, not interested in sex, unless they are straight dumbasses, which they are not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 12:22 AM |
| 9 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?I just said I have seen their actions, not just taken their word for it. Their actions were dumping the guy who was being a twat. How am I supposed to interpret that, that secretly she wanted him? Bullshit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 12:18 AM |
| 7 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?specific breed of woman molded RP beliefs, it's more like RP being reactionary to what women ,as a whole, in modern society behave like This is the main tenet of TRP that I have never seen proven to any reasonable degree. 50% of women stay in their first marriage, a small percent are lesbians. This statement says TRP should work on all of them, which logically must be nonsense. Absolute statements are absolutely wrong. EDIT - realized that I didn't answer the plate part. I'm aware, I was listing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 12:18 AM |
| 1 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?Surprisingly enough, it comes up naturally most of the time. It's not something I just come out with. "Hey TOOC, why don't you ever wear make-up?" General response about how I can't be arsed to "Aren't you worried that it'll be hard to find a boyfriend that way?" BAM, it's come up. The other common way is when they try to use my judgement as some sort of hotness barometer, because I can definitely do that because I have breasts apparently. Also, seriously? Why would I bother talking with you whe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 12:15 AM |
| 9 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?I believe it because I have seen some of them break up with guys when the friend in question realized they were things like emotionally distant / immature. Besides that, who are you kidding here? Anecdotes are anecdotes, who are you, or anyone else, to say if my experience is right or not? Irrelevant, in either case. I already said I moved on from using my experiences to trying to use data once I realized how different it was from the opposing party's. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 12:11 AM |
| 1 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?You just said "Most women say this same thing." Did you not read my entire post? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 12:05 AM |
| 1 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?... Most women say they are asexual? News to me, mate. No, I'm not aware of their sex lives, because it's not any of my business and they don't volunteer that info. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/07/15 12:00 AM |
| 16 | Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?Close enough to BP that I'll take a shot. It's simple - because of the 'average nice girls' I know, I doubt any stay with someone who treated them according to the TRP playbook. Having plates? Dread gaming? Emotionally distant? Gaslighting? No freakin' way. So, to begin, my experience is different from apparently >90% of TRP. Fine, but now we are comparing anecdotes, which is a terrible way to have a debate. So I look for data. The data I find, and what I see presented here, does not suggest to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 11:43 PM |
| 1 | If a woman can do anything she wants to her body, why doesn't that extend to prostitution?Wait, what? The assumption in my post was that the woman would starve without prostitution, or in other words that she was choosing between hooking and death. [Sometimes. Not all prostitutes are do-or-die.] I didn't take a stance on legalizing / the criminalization of prostitution at all... Did you mean to reply to me? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 11:23 PM |
| 1 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?I should have been specific - it isn't me rejecting them after a confession. I'm asexual, and this normally comes up after a while. Literally if they are hanging out hoping for sex after that it is entirely their own fault. That aside, I'm not going to pretend I'm the master of relations or something. I'm viciously introverted as I've mentioned elsewhere, and I'm pretty sure I lack the chick instincts to know when I've been hit on. [If some random guy is hitting on me, screw him anyway. I'm not … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 07:19 PM |
| 1 | Ex-Blue Pill, Ex Red Pill. You're as wrong as each other.Oh, no disagreement there. It counted me as liberal economically and that's a load of crap. But even if we just mentally move the responses to the right, TBP posters were still more 'liberal' on average than TRP posters. Additionally, just looking through this sub generally you use BP posters taking more liberal stances, and TBP itself is heavily liberal ime, so we do have a less scientific check for the data. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 05:13 PM |
| 1 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?Exactly. Talk about first world problems, ha - "Oh man, we have two foreign entities detected in the friendcircle! Disengage disengage" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 03:52 PM |
| 1 | Ex-Blue Pill, Ex Red Pill. You're as wrong as each other.Kind of a begrudging agreement there. That's why I've stopped ID'ing as BP, it's kind of a nebulous label. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 03:21 PM |
| 1 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?Probably something along the lines of being forced to occupy the same space multiple times for extended periods. Like being in a class / group with people, at work, etc. It takes a hella long time for friends of friends to get the requisite amount of exposure in for me to want to hang with them personally. Also, you didn't double reply, I just didn't get through these comments until just a bit after you had posted... No problems! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 03:20 PM |
| 0 | Ex-Blue Pill, Ex Red Pill. You're as wrong as each other.... Sure, I think? I was only adding to /u/Johnny_B_'s comment, I wasn't disagreeing. TBP doesn't have a consistent view because it attracts all sorts of people. You can not like TRP for moral, cultural, or logical reasons, off the top of my head. TRP on the other hand is fairly united in at least one aspect, and given that the debate focuses on that aspect it's natural that their views are more homogeneous. That said, like I mentioned most BPer's lean liberal, which is not terribly surprising, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 02:34 PM |
| 2 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?There is literally no other reason they would be hanging out with me other than they like hanging out. I'm not smoking hot, I'm less than average, really. And it usually comes up that I'm asexual on top of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 02:23 PM |
| 1 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?LOL okay then. Tbh if they are still sticking around after being told I'm not interested ever then that's their prerogative. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 02:10 PM |
| 1 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?Not sure why you posted twice? But I'll answer here too, as the other comment is pretty buried. That's how I met all of my friends (through school / work / other friends). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 02:08 PM |
| 1 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?That's how I became friends with ALL of my friends. I'm pretty damn introverted, the only time I make friendships is if I'm almost literally trapped with people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 02:05 PM |
| 6 | Ex-Blue Pill, Ex Red Pill. You're as wrong as each other.We actually know that's true, don't we? Besides most of Reddit being more liberal, there was that political compass poll not too long ago. I think everyone claiming BP clocked in at liberal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 12:10 PM |
| 2 | If a woman can do anything she wants to her body, why doesn't that extend to prostitution?Eh... Basic income is nice in theory, but I think that would cause rampant inflation of prices as companies struggled to stay afloat. The root problem is these people don't have other options, right? If I was president for a day, I would dump money into the educational system. Truckloads. Even making the first two years / an associates' degree on the gov't dime would help a lot, I think. Pay teachers relative to their importance to society, and their effectiveness. Start throwing some incentives… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 12:04 PM |
| 1 | If a woman can do anything she wants to her body, why doesn't that extend to prostitution?Were we talking about miners, or were we talking about prostitutes? I find it revealing, and infuriating, that TRPer's hate it when everyone paints them with the same brush and then does the same thing, while moving the goalposts at the same time. :| | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 11:51 AM |
| 2 | Are women aware of males that are attracted to them if nothing is spoken?I would say no. If you want to go out for coffee or meet up somewhere, I'm not going to automatically assume you're trying for sex. If I did I would have 0 guy friends. As for thoughts, I think this is the major reason behind the 'friend zone' dynamic... he goes in thinking he's trying for sexy times and she goes in thinking he's a cool dude and a good friend. When the mutually exclusive assumptions clash (when he tries to escalate later) there are problems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 12:37 AM |
| 1 | Is it racist for women to not date Asian/Indian men, and if so, is it racist for so many red pillers to refuse to date Black women?I would agree. Definitely not trying to cast stones, especially when a lot of this is lizard-brain level stuff... it's not anyone's fault, nor is it bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 12:28 AM |
| 2 | What's wrong with Dread Game?Tbh I'm pretty confident this is the cause of at least half of the crap that goes down in this sub. Another third is taken up by irreconcilable assumptions / 'self-evident' truths, and the remaining part is a combination of different standards of evidence, incorrectly interpreted science, and general assholery, on both sides on all counts. I've seen what constitutes reasonable is also subjective and dependent on how much it benefits the person deciding what is or isn't reasonable Agreed. At leas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 12:08 AM |
| 2 | Is it racist for women to not date Asian/Indian men, and if so, is it racist for so many red pillers to refuse to date Black women?The initial attraction that relationships usually start with isn't a conscious process. Humans are most comfortable with things that are familiar to them. Generally white men / women see more white people than minorities, so they are more comfortable with them -> find them more attractive. There is an additional confounding factor of the cultural standard of beauty - Italian guys don't have this problem, do they? Because they are culturally thought of as attractive. And now it gets bloody... Yea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/15 12:00 AM |
| 5 | If a woman can do anything she wants to her body, why doesn't that extend to prostitution?I only have one literalism award to give out, so just take a look at the one I already gave you, okay? That aside I'm not going to get into a fight about something this stupid. Stop treating women like children. etc etc etc I didn't even touch on this. I was only pointing out that your literal usage of the word 'forced' is quite different from most people's usage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 09:18 PM |
| 6 | If a woman can do anything she wants to her body, why doesn't that extend to prostitution?And the literalism award goes to you, sir. Is someone forcing said woman into prostitution at gunpoint? Probably not. Is she choosing between starving and hooking? Probably. That's what most people mean when they say someone was 'forced' into something. Just because the threat isn't immediate (gun) doesn't mean it isn't there at all (starvation). I agree with you on a technical level - no, it's not forcible. However, on a practical level, it's pretty much the same thing; do this or die. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 08:48 PM |
| 1 | What's wrong with Dread Game?It's pretty specific - underhanded or deceptive. Of course we still have different thresholds of the same, so it comes down to what would a reasonable person assume (legally speaking - there is a 'reasonable person' argument in law. Not saying you are not reasonable!) This definition is plenty broad enough to cover things like makeup if you could convince people it's deceptive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 04:47 PM |
| 1 | What's wrong with Dread Game?Couple of key points: It can be applied correctly (I disagree, but for the sake of argument) - meaning that there is a chance that it won't be. When you have an angry 19 year old do you think he's applying it correctly? The assumption in this post is that dread makes people feel wanted. This is not necessarily true, nor do I think the stated uses of dread qualify as such. It makes people feel uncertain, which causes them to overcompensate in an attempt to keep their routines / environment intact… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 12:22 PM |
| 2 | What's wrong with Dread Game?Except it's NOT a definition of manipulation. It's the tools a manipulator uses to keep the victim in check. From I presume the same wiki page you got this from, the actual definition of manipulation: Psychological manipulation is a type of social influence that aims to change the perception or behavior of others through underhanded, deceptive, or abusive tactics This is also from Harriet Braiker's book. Dread game neatly falls into this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 12:07 PM |
| 1 | What's wrong with Dread Game?Well, I don't know. How is it manipulative to wear make up? After all, the man controls his reaction, doesn't he? Same with push-up bras, it's not women's fault that men are controlled so easily by the 'small' brain! Point being, this isn't valid. There are cognitive short-circuits that all humans have, and uncertainty / fear is one of them. It doesn't have anything to do with rationality and it isn't a conscious response. The woman doesn't control it any more than a male controls his reaction t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 11:55 AM |
| 0 | Why does MRA and Feminism spend so much time attacking each other?So is /u/kick6... When will humans learn to not take an us versus them mentality? Right when science can rip that shit out of our genes and not a second before. That's the only possible semi conclusive answer to this question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 01:19 AM |
| 3 | If you found out your wife was using some sort of lady game guide on you, how would you react?This doesn't have anything to do with what /u/GridReXX said. Even if this hypothetical woman ended up with a TRPer, that doesn't change the situation from his perspective. Maybe only that there's a higher chance of her staying put / leaving him, which would be just as much on him... picking a career over a partner is not a situation that's unique to RP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/15 12:05 AM |
| 5 | What does an "I just believe in equality," non-radical feminist actually believe in?No, it wasn't. The lizard brain doesn't care about harming other members of the species, at most it cares about the members of your group. The lizard brain just wants sex. The lizard brain will happily rape the women of an enemy's tribe to have more offspring, and this has been shown to be true throughout history. Whether or not the lizard brain actually recognizes what 'prison' is is also up for debate. Unless you were already incarcerated, it's a theoretical concept that the lizard brain doesn… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 01:06 PM |
| 2 | Can cheating ever be justified?No. There is no 'legitimate' reason for cheating, unless the person was raped [which I really wouldn't count as cheating in the first place, but I'm stating assumptions clearly here]. You made a promise to only be with your SO - if you break that promise, you can't be trusted any more. And if I can't trust you, I'm not sharing a bed with you. Rape is the only time 'cheating' is out of someone's control. If you get slammed drunk and have a huge orgy, you still cheated. Period. You should have sto… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 01:03 PM |
| 2 | What does an "I just believe in equality," non-radical feminist actually believe in?... Have you had sex with every woman who ever turned you on? Because that's what your biology / lizard brain wanted you to do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 12:56 PM |
| 3 | What does an "I just believe in equality," non-radical feminist actually believe in?Point of contention - it can be biologically impossible all day and still be practically possible. We aren't slaves to our subconscious. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 12:53 PM |
| 5 | What does an "I just believe in equality," non-radical feminist actually believe in?To put it very simply, it's my belief that the elimination of bias inherent in institutions that put any given insert characteristic at a disadvantage is a great ideal. Old boys group in tech, male nurses getting looked at funny, the legal theater - all things that harm a group based on nothing but a physical characteristic. In practice, it's hard to address these things, as most commonly what caused them wasn't a conscious effort in the first place. Psychological biases lead to things like the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 12:49 PM |
| 3 | If you're in a male same-sex marriage, it's 50 percent more likely to end in divorce than a heterosexual marriage. If you're in a female same-sex marriage, this figure soars to 167 percent. Looking for BP thinking on this.I will agree, as I have read this somewhere, but damned if I could actually find the source. I think it might have been in divorce stats somewhere - some 60%? of long-term (>7 years IIRC) male homosexual couples had open marriages. It was an enormous number, whatever it was, to the point where it stuck with me when I was looking for something totally different. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 01:29 AM |
| 3 | Prove/disprove the gender pay gap?The gender pay gap isn't that astounding 74:100 ratio when it's corrected for experience / field / job title / seniority, ie when it's a very fair comparison. The 'gap' when you correct for all of these things is somewhere around a 94:100 ratio - most of the places I've seen attribute this much smaller difference to negotiation differences. But, it's still there - the crap the gov't has put out to fix the gap doesn't address that at all, though, so eye roll directed at the gov't. 'Fixing' the 74… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/15 12:58 AM |
| 2 | Are Red Pill and Blue Pill faith, philosophy or science?Where are all TRP STEM? I want to talk to you and I can't find you. I only ever seem to find the lawyers Ikr? I'm guessing those guys found it, took a look and said no thanks. Which would explain the nonsense that's sometimes passed off as 'science'. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/15 12:05 PM |
| 0 | CMV: RP gives advice that is superior in its ability to work on a variety of women.This perplexes me about these kind of posts - typically, RP posters will happily admit that they needed some sort of guide, as they had shitty upbringing / role models, don't naturally socialize well, or what have you. Which is fine, obviously. Then, we get posts like this. How do you define superior? Because every male who is not RP and still gets laid, girlfriends/relationships, and/or married is evidence against it being 'superior', if superior is defined by success. They didn't need 'treat h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 02:30 PM |
| 3 | Feminists "studies" attempt to hype of risks of "olders" fathers in an attempt to get men to marry women in their 30sMost people are also idiots. I don't know what you want out of this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/15 12:00 AM |
| 5 | Feminists "studies" attempt to hype of risks of "olders" fathers in an attempt to get men to marry women in their 30sI did. If a 'biological clock' is some mystical barrier after which it's harder to have kids, the decreasing fertility (though slight) does fit that bill. Again, the second article doesn't seem like it was meant to be taken that seriously - she's poking fun at men possibly dealing with the same problems near-'clock' women do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 11:36 PM |
| 1 | A thread from TRP that piqued my interest.Ah, it looks like you're talking about the OP OP / the RP post. I'm only answering this OP's question about mimicry, it wasn't related to the original-original post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 11:33 PM |
| 2 | Feminists "studies" attempt to hype of risks of "olders" fathers in an attempt to get men to marry women in their 30sFrom the first - “We’re talking about a slow exponential decline,” said Ford. “Older men will still father children but on average it will take them longer to do it.” This guy, one of the authors of the study, is clearly trying to communicate that while there's a decrease in fertility it's not a huge deal. This article in general is pretty tame. In the second one, the author is still not trying to overplay the stats - she quoted the article. Everything after that first section is less doomsaying… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 11:25 PM |
| 1 | Political Compass ResultsThat sounds like an interesting mix... There must be fireworks happening over there sometimes, I should peruse through the comments more often. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 11:11 PM |
| 3 | Feminists "studies" attempt to hype of risks of "olders" fathers in an attempt to get men to marry women in their 30sI don't really think the comments section of Reddit is big time... A quick Google search pulls up an article from NY Times, which is usually a bastion of liberal ideas, and it specifically mentions exactly what we were saying (increasing a small risk ends with a still small risk). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 11:05 PM |
| 7 | Feminists "studies" attempt to hype of risks of "olders" fathers in an attempt to get men to marry women in their 30sThinking you're at any great risk for having an autistic child in the first place is really the bullshit here... If you've decided that's actually a risk, doubling it probably does seem scary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 10:52 PM |
| 2 | Political Compass ResultsBP has an ideological concept?? Not to get into that too much - tbh I'm more interested in those way-righters on RP's side. I was always under the impression that Reddit was pretty heavily liberal in general. The fact that ~50% of responses are over in the non-liberal area seems to be strong evidence that RP members are indeed more conservative in general. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 10:44 PM |
| 7 | Feminists "studies" attempt to hype of risks of "olders" fathers in an attempt to get men to marry women in their 30sThe studies themselves aren't "feminist"... It's the people taking that increase of 0.003% [or whatever it is] and crying bloody murder that we're talking about. At most the authors themselves will usually recommend more studies, or to have children younger to 'minimize' risk - they aren't manning the ramparts trying to scare people into getting married. The data and analysis in those studies is good, it's just the reaction to it is kind of ridiculous. If a 0.003% increase in your chance to have… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 10:30 PM |
| 1 | Political Compass ResultsWhat? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 10:20 PM |
| 2 | A thread from TRP that piqued my interest.I'm just going to add to what's already been said here - first, mirroring/mimicry happens between all people, regardless of gender. It's a subconscious process that tries to impress the other person by you changing your mannerisms to match theirs. It isn't only restricted to speech - it also can effect your posture and facial expressions. The response to mimicry is also subconscious. Humans tend to feel more secure around things that are well-known to us, and if this strange person is acting lik… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 10:14 PM |
| 1 | Political Compass Results....? Liberal minded types tend to be more open to new experiences. Having a wide political view distribution would not mean a group was more open to experience, only that they were more diverse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 09:59 PM |
| 2 | looks vs use, bodyThis depends a lot on each person, obviously. If you just want eye candy / a ONS I would guess if you look good that's mostly all there is to it. While the specific examples of martial arts are a little odd, I'd say it's like learning to play an instrument but not doing gigs. It makes you more attractive to at least be able to play. It makes you attractive to be in shape, even if you're not doing anything with it. That aside, if you're in shape AND know how to use martial arts that's pretty awes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 07:53 PM |
| 1 | Women work on the referral systemTo be frank, while this response is much more constructive and on-topic, I simply have zero desire to talk with you at this point. It isn't worth it to me to have a discussion when responses might fly off the handle into never never land on a roll of the dice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 05:40 PM |
| -1 | Women work on the referral systemYOU made the damn assumption, not me. You're assumption was "as they had mentioned this was not consistent with the literature I will assume that the rest of the literature does not show this effect". How it is an assumption when the review literally cites the opposing papers? I didn't assume anything. I can back it up. Rant rant rant And if you had looked at page 103, like I had said to do, where this review actually cites the OP paper, you would have seen that the review specifically states th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 02:54 PM |
| 4 | What's the difference between /r/thebluepill and /r/againstmensrights?Why is this something you felt like needed to be debated? There have been several posts like this lately, it doesn't contribute anything to the actual debate. This would be like posting 'hey guyz, TRP members post on r/seduction a lot! I bet they are really obsessed with sex lolololol!' It's useless, even when/if it's true. It doesn't change the discussion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 01:30 PM |
| 0 | Women work on the referral systemThey were suspended about the magnitude of the result but they also expecting the result to turn out this way (more females interested in partnered males). That suggests the rest of the literature shows the same effect, but smaller. Perhaps a jump from 54% to 74% instead of 90%. No, it doesn't... you can't make that kind of assumption from one paper. That would be the definition of cherry-picking. The review [which looked at 10+ papers] specifically says "no effect" was the normal conclusion. Me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 01:24 PM |
| 1 | BP MoralsSure, I'd agree with that. I remember reading that there's some support for 'group' evolution, that is the sacrifice of individuals for the well-being of a group. But IDK if that's officially accepted, I haven't looked into it in years. But logically, on the face of it, it makes some sense. It doesn't do an individual any good to survive if the species dies as a result! [Depending on your outlook, anyway.] | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 01:23 AM |
| 2 | BP MoralsFair enough. Rationally it does make the most sense to do what benefits you the most. True altruism... I believe there's quite a bit of study into that, specifically into how it doesn't exist. Morals are social constructs, not evolutionary constructs - they only recently in history have had the slightest bearing on our survivability. However, I personally don't think you need 'true' altruism for altruistic constructs to work - while they typically focus on internal beliefs and religion, really w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/15 12:03 AM |
| 3 | Women work on the referral systemI can't get to most of those articles; it's lucky that the OP article is open-source, and that this review was. Not needing to track them down was the reason for finding a lit review, someone already did the work for us. Did you find something incorrect in the review? Because if not, I don't know what we'd be debating, and I'm not sure what point you're referring to. All I pulled from it was [# of articles not supporting > # of articles supporting]. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 11:08 PM |
| 4 | BP Morals:\ That's really going to come down to individual beliefs. I hold something similar to Kantian beliefs, but such necessitates that you believe that, in general, it is most desirable to cause the most good to the most people. If you don't, which rational egoism does not, we'd be arguing over whether or not it's "right" to not believe in doing the most good... So, let me ask you that - why do you hold that it isn't 'better' to do good for others / doing good for yourself is the only rational actio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 11:00 PM |
| 5 | Women work on the referral systemThis study (actual study here) looks an awful lot like it was only written about because it was 'juicy'. A literature review here says that most studies about mate poaching DID NOT show an effect. Page 103 is where this is mentioned - this article is specifically called out as against the norm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 10:47 PM |
| 4 | BP MoralsIf you believe in rational egoism, then no, there isn't. Are you asking for us to debate rational egoism versus, say, Kantian ethics then? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 10:33 PM |
| 0 | Women work on the referral systemI'd have to go look up what 'relative sex rank' was, but if it's exactly what it sounds like I'm pretty sure I'm in agreement. however, this result should be highly challenging to the BP posters. You would have assumed, based on assumptions common outside RP that the result would be the opposite and I'd expect them to challenge this study on that basis. "That it just can't be right. Women are nicer than that. Women wouldn't be this 'immoral' (defined by their standards)". This reads to me as ass… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 10:29 PM |
| 1 | Women work on the referral systemdue to preselection I feel like this has a specific meaning to TRP which I'm not sure of, so I can't answer directly. I never held that people who are taken are less attractive - the combination of 'forbidden fruit' and being in a relationship seeming to mean you are a good partner are logical reasons why a taken person would be more attractive. I just don't take that to mean all women are man-stealing skanks. Idk if that answers your question. And the RP point that this is easily more than enou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 09:52 PM |
| 2 | Women work on the referral system... Are you serious? I DID woman up, what else can 'I'm pleading no-contest' mean? I literally said my objection was a criticism of psychological studies / self reports and not of the study in question specifically! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 09:08 PM |
| 3 | BP MoralsNot necessary, but beneficial. It just makes life easier if we all go in with the same expectations / rules of conduct. But I digress, not exactly the point of the conversation. However, the farther out you go the more justification you need. With what I've seen BPers say, it just often isn't there. It's impossible to defend such a broad sweep with no other information, and without knowing what was said I don't even know that I would in the first place... Anything specific that you often run int… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 08:12 PM |
| 0 | Women work on the referral systemThis was really a bad place to link to (Cosmopolitan? Really?) so I found a better secondary source - here. I didn't read the Cosmo article as saying the question was literally 'would you pursue this guy', which apparently it was... hmm. That is a little striking. This still doesn't change what I brought up, though - even if the respondents said that they would be interested in pursuing on paper, it doesn't mean that if push came to shove they actually would. One of the many evils of self-report… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 08:09 PM |
| 5 | BP MoralsSo unless you believe in an omnipotent entity that can bestow objective morals, you have no basis to extend moral duties involving altruism to others This assumes that the only benefit to following these rules is some intangible reward at death. This isn't true. Given that the majority of people follow these beliefs, to break them is to be a social pariah - not so much a benefit as the avoiding of a punishment. The lizard brain doesn't being alone at all, so in general we do what we need to to f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 07:43 PM |
| 3 | Women work on the referral system"That it just can't be right. Women are nicer than that. Women wouldn't be this 'immoral' (defined by their standards)". What are you talking about, here? They aren't actually taking the guys on dates or something. Saying they would date the guy and actually doing it are two very different things. The study that would support what you're saying about would be where they had some sort of actors / confederates at a cafe or something. In half the cases, he's there with a 'girlfriend' who suddenly h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 06:57 PM |
| 3 | BP MoralsOut of curiosity, what do you think morals are, at their core? The Disney version of 'they determine what's right' is BS, as RP will yell all day and night. Morals are the generally agreed upon ways that members of a group act so as to not incur the wrath of other members of a group. Most of the time they are unwritten rules, made into law over time basically by chance as the opportunity arises. Asking people to justify where they came from is asking for a term paper on the history of cultural e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 06:42 PM |
| 1 | Is there any merit to the "woman want love" argument?This statistic should honestly be banned from the discussion. It is a strawman. The CDC data is a strawman? Ok then :| First, women lie. If you can't get good data on an anonymous survey for the CDC, then you aren't ever getting it. I'm more than open to some sort of alternative to getting actual data that doesn't involve self-reports. Second, a significant percentage of people marry their first partner and never participate in the "dating market" as such. Which would go against OP's original as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 12:48 PM |
| 0 | I assume many Bluepill subscribers agree that its bad to "put the pussy on a pedestal", what's the best way to explain that without going redpill?What difference does it make if it's one person or one hundred? You're trying to draw an awfully fine line here. No, I'm not. I specified I was talking about when people are giving speeches. It's the context, not the number of people. That's the mental trick HSW linked to at the start of this comment chain -- that's what we're comparing to. You responded to HSW with the question of What's wrong with mentally putting people down to feel more comfortable? where you used the public speaking example… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 01:07 AM |
| 2 | Lying by Omission #2When you use the '#' sign everything gets really dramatic | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 12:08 AM |
| 1 | Lying by Omission #2Hmm, this one is a little harder.. Ok. It's just like the how many partners thing - if it matters to the other person, they really should be the ones to ask. Not to say the guy isn't an asshole. Ouch. This one is hard... In contrast to the many partners question, this one can effect your partner even if they don't care about it. What if your girlfriend wants to adopt someday? Screwed. What if your girlfriend is employed by the gov't and has security clearance? Screwed. ... On this one I have to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/15 12:06 AM |
| 1 | I assume many Bluepill subscribers agree that its bad to "put the pussy on a pedestal", what's the best way to explain that without going redpill?Tell someone you're talking to that you're picturing them naked -- they'll definitely be put off by it. Which would be relevant if people used the trick when talking to individual people. I've had speech teachers outright tell people to do this before starting a day of presentations - it's not creepy in the appropriate context. And telling yourself that someone was better looking when they're younger isn't an insult, either; in almost every case that's just a fact. Which is also irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 11:38 PM |
| 6 | Is there any merit to the "woman want love" argument?Hard mode: justify your response based on what you have personally experienced and not just big fish stories from the internet How is that hard mode? Personal experience is just as anecdotal as internet stories. Data is where it's at. Im'ma borrow from TRP for just a minute. If a woman really only wanted sex, and didn't care about any kind of connection, then it follows that they would have asstons of sex because they can get it whenever they want. Assuming they are at least average, that is. No… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 09:12 PM |
| 3 | I assume many Bluepill subscribers agree that its bad to "put the pussy on a pedestal", what's the best way to explain that without going redpill?Can we take a step back, here? Imagining a room of people naked is not an insult. Imagining your audience to be incapable of understanding your talk because they are dumb would be a put-down. The whole naked thing isn't to lower your audience in your mind, it's to snap you out of a worried mindset by imagining something completely ridiculous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 02:48 PM |
| 2 | how many people have you had sex with?Also 0. But asexual, so that's a only slightly confounding factor. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 02:04 AM |
| 4 | I assume many Bluepill subscribers agree that its bad to "put the pussy on a pedestal", what's the best way to explain that without going redpill?Simplified metaphor time! Imagine you just really screwed the pooch. Say at work, you just cost your company a quarter of their profits for the year. What reaction are you expecting? Probably to be fired, if it was avoidable and you should have known better. Equally likely is the 'disappointed dad' boss talk, if it was an honest mistake and your company isn't crappy. What you aren't expecting is a pat on the back. So if your boss pats you on the back, how does that make you feel? Nervous. Like y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/15 02:02 AM |
| 2 | CMV: If a woman is anywhere near average looking, and likes sex, she's sleeping with somebody....Ahhh yes, okay. Sorry, brain is only at half capacity today. Thank you! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 09:38 PM |
| 0 | CMV: If a woman is anywhere near average looking, and likes sex, she's sleeping with somebody....Hmm. This same source says women are quite often asymptomatic, though. How does that balance out? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 09:33 PM |
| 0 | CMV: If a woman is anywhere near average looking, and likes sex, she's sleeping with somebody....Women are both more prone to contracting STDs, and carry a higher disease burden when they do. Source? Because what I found only supports the first half of that statement. Unless I'm misreading 'higher disease burden'? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 09:26 PM |
| 1 | Lying by OmissionPretty much on line with most answers. 1, Yes, ok. 2, No, not ok. And she's an idiot. Same if a single father does it. 3-5, 8-10. Yes, assuming s/he's still clean. Still yes if s/he informs of any issues. This is only a problem if the person lies when asked directly. 6, 7, Yes. 11 - .....? What? Um, American. I don't really identify with any major subcultures. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 08:02 PM |
| 3 | Do you agree with this blue pillar?No. Ridiculous. Same as saying every woman is a slut, or every man is a sociopath. Sweeping generalizations with no caveats are pretty much universally wrong. The women I know have probably not been with more than 5 people tops. I don't know any clubs-every-weekend types, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/15 07:43 PM |
| 1 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?Thanks! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 11:58 PM |
| 2 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?Eh. I'm on break. I'm willing to see if they're being legit. Thank you for this though, made me smile! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 04:54 PM |
| 3 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?Maybe men are self-centered generally. Maybe. [Mother nature kind of screwed them over that way, what with the whole expendable gender thing. It would make sense that the ones who survived had more care for their own persons.] Autistic? Misogynist? Seriously? And once gay guys are out of the highschool bully zone and can freely starve, gossip, fuck their way into their new gay identity, they forget all about their girl friends who had their back Maybe you should take a step back and realize that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 04:53 PM |
| 2 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?Granted, yeah. It still stands that data/studies from a country where homosexuality was destigmatized earlier, even if not entirely, would be useful in seeing how much the culture of the 70's/80's confounded the studies being discussed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 04:37 PM |
| 1 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?Oh, oh, source? I couldn't find anything that was more recent when I searched. It makes total sense that there would be a difference, I'm just surprised at how large it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 04:34 PM |
| 6 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?Unless /u/RedManBearBig also lives in the US, which I would not assume from his post, this isn't relevant to what he said... It's possible that homosexuality is totally accepted where he lives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 03:02 PM |
| 7 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?Gay men are what's wrong with all men. Misogynist, self-centered, a little autistic. Wow. Because they are attracted to other men they are misogynist, self-centered, and autistic? Based on what? Are lesbians all feminist, altruistic geniuses then? How about heterosexuals, or pansexuals? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 02:57 PM |
| 0 | is it just me or are women afraid of male sexuality?Seeing as Lemon probably checked out, as I would have... No, "any gay man" would not have found it offensive. The studies being thrown around are from the 70's-80's. It was a very different culture then - being 'gay' meant you were a black sheep in society, and you likely ended up with other black sheep. Those black sheep would have been the druggie deviants with other baggage. What they also did was sleep around. A lot. If you're in that kind of environment it simply rubs off on you... it's a v… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 02:51 PM |
| 7 | Arrangement for untarnished husbandI am shocked, outraged, and furious! I have been lied to my entire life. Everyone told me if I smiled a lot, was polite, got a cooking degree, and went to Church I would get a handsome, pure husband. I'm just so angry at the establishment! We should start a movement to inform our sisters who are still blind to their lies! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/15 01:57 AM |
| 0 | Women are not attracted to douchebags.However , no woman would take seriously an unattractive douchebag , because douchebaggery is not what women are attracted to . This is a great point. If women really liked being treated poorly, logically all relationships would have the same shitty mechanisms. After all, it's beneficial to the male partner, and if the woman goes for it why not? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 07:58 PM |
| 1 | BP'ers aren't Rational [MBTI]Not many of those people were BP'ers ; only 5 or 6. Lots of TRP responses - really, that thread quite clearly showed how very different TRPers are from the 'average'. [Whether the average is good or not is up for debate.] I'm pretty much anti-red and I'm INTJ. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/15 06:45 PM |
| 0 | Revenge Porn laws only serve to protect women from the consequences of their bad decisions, reminding us once again that women have no agency and should be treated like children.Which is why the law doesn't put you in jail for life, like embezzlement can. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 07:19 PM |
| 1 | Revenge Porn laws only serve to protect women from the consequences of their bad decisions, reminding us once again that women have no agency and should be treated like children.Rrright. Because if you lose your job because your ex posted pictures of you, that's no harm done. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 05:57 PM |
| 1 | Revenge Porn laws only serve to protect women from the consequences of their bad decisions, reminding us once again that women have no agency and should be treated like children.What? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:56 PM |
| 0 | Why is a woman insecure if she wants to hook up and have wild sex?That isn't the question they asked at all, though. "Why is a girl considered insecure for causal sex?" is =/= "Why does BP think RP only works on damaged women?" If /u/gavinok was actually asking the second question they should edit that clarification in. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:05 PM |
| 3 | Revenge Porn laws only serve to protect women from the consequences of their bad decisions, reminding us once again that women have no agency and should be treated like children.It's almost like it was consensual right up until the alpha's fee fees got hurt, there. It's almost like only one person is actually a victim at that point, too. Notice this law doesn't fucking require ex's return all the nudes they have of their partner - THAT would be nanny state. "Oh, you changed your mind about AlphaFux001 having your nudes? We'll fix that for you, honey!" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 12:50 PM |
| 0 | Revenge Porn laws only serve to protect women from the consequences of their bad decisions, reminding us once again that women have no agency and should be treated like children.The other bad laws being those that lock people up for non-violent crimes? Do you also think those hedge fund managers who embezzle millions from people shouldn't do prison time? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 12:41 PM |
| 3 | Revenge Porn laws only serve to protect women from the consequences of their bad decisions, reminding us once again that women have no agency and should be treated like children.And because those alphas also don't have a shred of common sense or decency to boot, apparently, they post them online when the girls stop putting out for them. And then they get upset that society has decided that's bullshit and punishes them for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 12:35 PM |
| 5 | Revenge Porn laws only serve to protect women from the consequences of their bad decisions, reminding us once again that women have no agency and should be treated like children.In all 50 states, at one time it was legal to own slaves and beat your wife with a broom handle to keep her in line. ..... Gonna defend those laws, too? Those laws that no longer exist, and haven't for 100+ years? Sure, right after you convince me murder shouldn't be a crime. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 03:01 AM |
| 1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.then you agree on what a beta/omega is, a guy lacking these qualities? I agree that those are the definitions that TRP uses, certainly - I would take your word there. You'd know better than I. Personally it isn't as though I go through life categorizing people into alpha/beta/gamma/zeta columns, though. Btw, lots of Rpers were fed that these were unnecessary-especially the buff part That appears to be the consensus. A point of clarification on my part, though - I would say being buff is more att… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 02:32 AM |
| 3 | Revenge Porn laws only serve to protect women from the consequences of their bad decisions, reminding us once again that women have no agency and should be treated like children.Was that what you were asking? No. The discussion about what a cock up the legal system generally is in the US is totally different. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:59 AM |
| 1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.(2.30am) I have work tomorrow at 12. Dude, get off Reddit and go to bed. We'll all be here tomorrow. With you on Nice Guys( <sup>TM</sup> ) distinction, I think. So the inclusion of the TM is what goes from guys who are nice to doormats? TRP alpha to TBP: Manipulative sociopathic misogynist asshole Not exactly, at least that's not how I see it. It isn't that every single thing of TRP is the above, but parts of it are. When BP refers to TRP in a negative context, it's not attacking all of it's pa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:56 AM |
| 9 | Revenge Porn laws only serve to protect women from the consequences of their bad decisions, reminding us once again that women have no agency and should be treated like children.Thanks for reaffirming my belief that women are just as capable as being vile disgusting creatures as men Who ITT is saying they aren't? And what punishment would be befitting of a woman who did such a thing? Prison time? If in California, yeah, 1 year, just like everybody else. Say it was your sister who did it. Irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:38 AM |
| 2 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.Ironically, TRP isn't very judgemental of RPers Oh, not on the part of TRP - I'm referring to women's reaction to 'false alphas'. That's what I thought TRP generally accepted, that women don't respond well when they can tell it's being faked. No, you have to put the work in to be the best man you can be. Fake it until you make it, is a way of achieving liftoff before you're earned your pilot's license. Alright. I'm not about to claim to be an expert in TRP, so I'll take your word for it. Apologi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:32 AM |
| 4 | Revenge Porn laws only serve to protect women from the consequences of their bad decisions, reminding us once again that women have no agency and should be treated like children.Crimes aren't defined by victims, they are defined by intentions/actions on the part of the accused. Your edit asks about equating victims - I was pointing out the distinction. Victims aren't being equated here, the perpetrators are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:22 AM |
| 1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.You didn't explicitly use those words but that's the implication. Sigh. No, it isn't. Is the TRP alpha not an archetype? Is everyone who is not a TRP alpha not a beta, or whatever downwards? Thus, those women who do not want the alpha archetype, whatever it is, must by definition wants betas as there are only alphas and betas! [Yes, I'm aware there are sigmas or something too, I'm simplifying.] I was using your definition, actually: Nice Guy (™)(doormat, bends over backwards for women) Dude. Com… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:16 AM |
| 1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.Seriously, how can we know a person's thoughts?... I can't read minds. YMMV. I'm under the impression it's a RP belief that 'false alphas' are disliked. That's why you have to put in all the work to be a 'real alpha'. It's not reading minds, it's simply a feeling people get when they can tell they are being snowballed. Facial cues, body language, etc. Just like you can't read a person's mind to tell if they are lying, but people have differing levels of skill picking out liars. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:09 AM |
| 5 | Revenge Porn laws only serve to protect women from the consequences of their bad decisions, reminding us once again that women have no agency and should be treated like children.Equating victims, no. Equating perpetrators. If people were equating victims you'd see cries of "Yeah, everyone who posts revenge porn should be locked up for life!!1!" which is not what's happening. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 01:03 AM |
| 1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.Fake in this case would be acting in a way that is not consistent with a person's actual thoughts. Fake would be a person just swallowing the pill, for instance; 'False Alphas'. The thoughts haven't internalized yet - at that point I would say it becomes real. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 12:58 AM |
| 1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.No, actually, I didn't. Please point out where I said 'alpha' = asshole? Women have preferences. To pick a purely physical trait, not all women like ripped guys. See the thread from not too long ago about what kind of physique BP women like. Thus, a single defining trait of a RP 'alpha', which should be 'they are buff', is enough to say some women simply will not want them. Simple. Again, conflation of alpha behaviour with asshole. Alphas are nice, contrary to popular belief-until they can't aff… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 12:54 AM |
| 0 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.Well, obviously, no. We could have avoided that whole shtick about sociopaths if Smiley had just come out and said this. I'm not sure why we spent 6 comments dancing around it. The generally accepted RP premise is that one must prove himself both high SMV in status, and also alpha in presence-then he can resort to sensitive beta moments, contextually. This is going to go into the 'what kind of women does TRP attract' argument. All of your arguments are true if All Women are only attracted to 'al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 12:35 AM |
| 1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.That, OTOH, is not something I'm debating. Of course, you can change your personality, it is not static. The only thing I've been trying to point out is the inherent flaw in this Its more complicated than that. First, it looked as if you were talking about a "surface" personality versus an "inside" "real" personality, to which I don't draw a hard distinction. Please keep in mind the original comment I was replying to was passing off actions as personality, with no qualifier. This would imply som… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/15 12:14 AM |
| 1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.Yes, actually, it is. Logically proving a 'universal rule' wrong in a single case means it's no longer a universal rule. Thus allowing for consideration of [actions =/= personality]. Feel free to actually try to debate the point there? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 11:45 PM |
| 13 | Revenge Porn laws only serve to protect women from the consequences of their bad decisions, reminding us once again that women have no agency and should be treated like children.He wasn't posting nudes, he was hosting the site which he would then extort people using. This is not at all the same thing. Revenge porn was the genesis of the investigation, the other stuff came out later. If the cops are investigating an apartment for drugs and they find a body, they should just continue on their merry way? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 11:39 PM |
| 14 | Revenge Porn laws only serve to protect women from the consequences of their bad decisions, reminding us once again that women have no agency and should be treated like children.Wow. No, that guy just got 18 years for CONSPIRACY, ID THEFT, and EXTORTION, along with a battery of other charges. You do realize he was charging victims to remove the content, and posting their personal details alongside their photos if he had them? This would be the link that had all of those pesky details. This guy wasn't even charged using the Cali revenge porn law. That law assigns revenge porn as A MISDEMEANOR, with a max jail time of 1 YEAR. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 11:30 PM |
| 1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else...... Are you saying you think RPer's are as adept at having fake personalities as sociopaths are? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 09:37 PM |
| 1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.Agreed. That's kind of what I'm getting at. Sociopaths are very adept at not only playing a part, but switching roles when needed. The question then is how can one of those roles (their outward behavior) be their personality? I would think it can't be. The only thing I'm trying to establish here is whether personality is more innate or it's only what you present to the outside. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 09:22 PM |
| 1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.Either [personality = what you present to the world] is true, in all cases, or it is not. If it isn't, drawing a distinction between 'face' personality and 'true' personality is valid. In regards to this, sociopaths simply happen to be a convenient case where a natural experiment is occurring, as we know unquestionably that there many cases where sociopaths are acting in ways that are not natural to them. Whether or not they are 'normal' is irrelevant. You didn't answer the question, still. Is t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 06:44 PM |
| 1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.... I know you weren't talking about sociopaths. I was asking as it's relevant to surface vs. actual personalities. You didn't actually answer my question - restated, is the personality a sociopath shows to the world their actual personality or not? I am simply disagreeing with this idea that the older, less developed part of your personality is more authentic. This is not what anyone was talking about. You said You think there is a meaningful difference between "inside" and "surface". Its more … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 11:42 AM |
| 0 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.I don't think I'd take their word for how the authors interpreted the first study - 'agreeableness' is NOT equal to 'niceness'. A perfectly agreeable person would be a doormat, which is commonly accepted by both BP and RP as being bad for relationships. Additionally, it was self-reported data from the men - so there's a pressure there to overreport if you're a 'macho' guy so you keep with the stereotype... It's impossible to see how the authors handled this using only the abstract. In the second… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 01:44 AM |
| -1 | BP, we tried it your way. It didn't work. It was time to try something else.Its more complicated than that. First, it looked as if you were talking about a "surface" personality versus an "inside" "real" personality, to which I don't draw a hard distinction. How do you feel about sociopathy, out of curiosity? Quite often a sociopath will develop what is essentially a 'fake' personality, ie pretend they care for and about others when in reality they do not. They do this very well, in fact. I personally do draw a distinction between 'surface' / outward personality and the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 01:26 AM |
| 1 | Poll: who has more extroverts?That makes sense. I tracked this down - you have to scroll to Table 1 to see internet users / world. It's kind of old and not the primary source, but the page it links to is dead. Even then, the difference is rarely more than ~6% - the variation ITT is higher even when considering only internet users. I suppose the conclusion would be a much higher than usual incidence of IN's in TRP than usual. But then again, that data is kind of old - my quick Google didn't find anything more recent, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/15 12:37 AM |
| 2 | Poll: who has more extroverts?I actually think this is somewhere that external reports might not be as accurate. After all, say, being a good conversationalist is learnable, even if it goes against your natural tendencies. So even though you give an image of extroversion, you could still be introverted. For some of the questions, it'd also be hard for a friend to fill out - my friends, at least, don't know how my email inbox looks! Not at all advocating for using MBTI in official uses, as you said self-reported data is the d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 06:13 PM |
| 3 | Poll: who has more extroverts?I think the MBTI is useful for cases like this, where you're really only looking for general aggregate differences. If 90% BP is E and 90% RP is I then that is pretty clear cut. I doubt that's what is going to happen, though... Paging /u/Titaniu, were you planning on tallying these results? EDIT - I tallied them, couldn't resist. /u/Atlas_B_Shruggin, paging you so you see it - figured I bring it up here so newcomers could see a tally. Large number of INTJ's in general. By far, actually - I just … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 05:44 PM |
| 1 | Poll: who has more extroverts?More not-red than blue, but INTJ. EDIT - also female here. I think that discussion might be in the wings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 05:39 PM |
| 2 | Mr Nice Guy (TM) was not created by feminism, it's a vesitage of traditionalismYou keep trying to argue that men did x, while women didn't. This is now the THIRD time telling you I was NOT trying to attribute the meme to the makers of movies. I already explained what I was trying to ask in a previous post. I'm done here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 12:29 PM |
| 2 | Mr Nice Guy (TM) was not created by feminism, it's a vesitage of traditionalismhttp://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/news/2014-03-03/austins-new-no-sex-institute/ That link shows up as untrustworthy on WOT, so I went digging. Happily not a virus threat! OTOH that is a heavily biased source, to the point where studies out of there have been torn to shreds. Why not? Women have been socializing the children all along - women are shaping society today, so why not yesterday? Wow, you're in deep, here. The traditional mindset in American society, IE don't have premarital sex, get… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 12:11 PM |
| 4 | Mr Nice Guy (TM) was not created by feminism, it's a vesitage of traditionalismThe idea that men should do things to better women's positions in society This is what I was talking about when I called out it's a UN initiative. This is probably NOT focused on the US, where we've got 3rd wave going on. It's probably for places where women are truly physically abused and are powerless to do anything about it. They need men to help start those movements. Additionally that site has had, since it's inception, less than 30k views. The idea that men should support women and cater d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 11:54 AM |
| 2 | Mr Nice Guy (TM) was not created by feminism, it's a vesitage of traditionalismAnd I agreed by saying just look at the women sneering at nice guys in old movies. This still doesn't really explain it. Unless you think movies are a central part of traditionalism? In which case, how 'old' is 'old movie', here? Because I don't think movies showing flippant women are really that old. 80's on, maybe? You then tried to say that was mens fault (the male movie makers). Sigh. Again, no, I didn't. I was asking how the old movie thing applied to the feminism/traditionalism argument th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/15 12:23 AM |
| 0 | Mr Nice Guy (TM) was not created by feminism, it's a vesitage of traditionalismThe OP was making only one claim, and that is that traditionalism, and not feminism, is mostly the reason the Nice Guy(TM) brand exists. When you said look at old movies, I didn't (and still don't) see how that was a response to OP's post. What I was saying was not that they made the meme, or that they didn't, one way or the other. I was trying to understand how you were tying in old movies to the OP. I pointed out these guys are still being hated on today - by feminist women and their male lapd… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 08:44 PM |
| 0 | Mr Nice Guy (TM) was not created by feminism, it's a vesitage of traditionalismBack this up. Show where OP says this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 07:56 PM |
| 0 | Mr Nice Guy (TM) was not created by feminism, it's a vesitage of traditionalism.... And.....? The OP is not contesting this. OP is contesting that it was not feminists who are solely responsible for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 07:26 PM |
| 0 | Mr Nice Guy (TM) was not created by feminism, it's a vesitage of traditionalismMovies that reflect men's perception of cultural memes at the time. You get my point - feminists weren't the ones writing movie scripts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 07:18 PM |
| 5 | Mr Nice Guy (TM) was not created by feminism, it's a vesitage of traditionalism... The old movies that were written by men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 07:01 PM |
| 0 | Finding a way to cut through the bullshitYou say this as if I have absolutely no basis for these assumptions... I do. Of course they aren't always true, which is why said assumptions are clearly stated. Neither here nor there. As for your answer, that doesn't actually answer my argument... you say in the MRP post about the 'second unicorns' that They don't exist. Smart readers at this point will have worked out who they are. They are the women at the This woman always gets both of these attributes [AF+BB] from a single man end of the c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 04:25 PM |
| 1 | Finding a way to cut through the bullshitThat was an excellent comment! I doubt anyone is going to get into that, it's pretty solid imo. On the post.... I don't know, it seems a little weird to debate on something you didn't say yourself / were translating. But I'm going to assume you're comfortable taking the bat if you linked it here, so here goes. Essay follows. As there is much bickering about here in PPD, women and men don't look at relationships the same way. If TRP is to be believed, men are constantly looking at all women with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 03:48 PM |
| 0 | Finding a way to cut through the bullshitHere's the thing. I do support the effort here - trying to nail down what 'is' TRP is something that would be very helpful in these talks. However, personally, my main problem isn't necessarily with the fact that TRP isn't consistent / people have different views of it. Ideally, you simply wouldn't debate, say, dread game if you didn't adhere to it. The biggest problem I have is arguments over evidence. In your MRP post for instance, I can immediately zone in on 'The Basics' section where you po… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 02:03 PM |
| 2 | On TRP men, submissiveness and sycophancy and not getting laidTotal miss here. Sorry. How so? What follows in your response has nothing to do with the actual supposition of the post, which is "Women do not want sycophants, but they may want submissives." Your response appears to be an analysis of why they are different... which is what OP was getting at. The one part that isn't Depending on the person and its manipulation capabilities, it isn't always easy to distinguish sycophancy from true submission, which is why we advocate to give it a reasonable amou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 01:10 PM |
| 12 | Mr Nice Guy (TM) was not created by feminism, it's a vesitage of traditionalismThe first one appears to be encouraging men to take part in 'feminism' / gender equality movement. I don't see how that has anything to do with it. That is additionally a UN campaign, so that's addressing far more than the prototypical culture of this sub (America). The second one was two years ago. Additionally that site has had, since it's inception, less than 30k views. Definitely a bastion of feminists right there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/15 12:49 PM |
| 1 | Political Compass PollI'm glad I'm not the only one... I thought many of the questions about economics were also pretty leading in addition to making assumptions. I scored more left on economics according to this, but I'm definitely more right in actuality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 05:09 PM |
| 1 | Political Compass PollEconomic Left/Right: -3.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.85 I'm chilling with Ghandi! Blue here. I didn't realize 'neutral' was an option. That please! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 04:59 PM |
| 2 | What level of evidence should it take to establish something as male/female nature?I guess if I'm going to lurk I should actually answer your questions... To discuss a possibility, nothing more than a rational thought/observation is needed, typically. If the prompt is, "In my experience, women choose brunettes over blondes. I believe women prefer brunette men," it's open for discussion. When discussing possibilities without hard proof, though, the problem is you get into anecdote wars ("Well I've never seen a woman leave with a brunette!"). Where this breaks down is when peopl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 12:20 PM |
| 3 | What level of evidence should it take to establish something as male/female nature?OK, but the correct analogy isn't introducing a scientific study into a court. Using statistics to try to accuse someone of a crime is nonsensical - any other person fitting their characteristics would be equally likely to have been guilty. Thus, not allowed, rightfully so. HOWEVER, what is allowed is physical evidence. In the evidence hierarchy, direct evidence [testimony] is considered the best form of evidence. You can have all 50 guys on the team testify that you were in Las Vagas the night … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 02:22 AM |
| 2 | What level of evidence should it take to establish something as male/female nature?'Scientific' (psychological / sociological studies have huge problems with the "people lie" truism) studies are collective anecdotes of a random population and have been statistically analyzed. TRP is not a random population. If you go to a vegetarian store and give a survey on what the beliefs on eating meat are, what answers are you going to get? For TRP, let's pick something like lifting. Not at all in any question for being a 'negative' activity, so no cultural bias. If you ask 1000 TRPers w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/15 01:57 AM |
| 0 | Do you guys realize that a lot of us sometimes **hate** the fact that The Red Pill works as well as it does?I'm not about to tell you that being burned multiple times isn't a good reason for being cynical, so instead I'll just say that I'll believe for you. <3 You can only keep trying in either case! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/15 12:16 AM |
| 1 | Do you guys realize that a lot of us sometimes **hate** the fact that The Red Pill works as well as it does?Disclaimer of NAWALT, but rejection - what other reaction is there? I don't think the response to "You are an irrational child, I make all the decisions" is going to win you favors no matter who you say it to. Of course, this only applies to a relationship when the two have been together long enough for the woman to realize the mindset. If you're only looking for sex / ONS, then I would say the women most likely to put out are the women who TRP is most effective on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/15 10:00 PM |
| -3 | Do you guys realize that a lot of us sometimes **hate** the fact that The Red Pill works as well as it does?I'm sorry to hear that D: At least you were saved from dem ebil wimmens who are the TRP stereotype. It leaves you free for a lady who does love you for you! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/15 09:55 PM |
| 2 | If the red pill isn't based on science and facts, well, what the fuck is it based on?I'm not sure why we're assuming they are a young lady...? That aside I wouldn't think so. What OP said - Unless you can prove that women and men's biology forces them to act in certain ways, then well, it doesn't hold. To me, this isn't saying it's false, this is asking for the claim to be supported. I would read this as saying (Unless you prove X, I don't think X) , not that (Unless you prove X, X is false). This is completely a matter of opinion though, I can see how it could be read the other… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/15 09:04 PM |
| 1 | If the red pill isn't based on science and facts, well, what the fuck is it based on?Yep, we were having two issues. One is this - that poster wasn't the one making the claim, so asking them to prove/disprove it was sketch. This is largely irrelevant though. The other was a pure terminology issue. Using hypothesis testing you don't prove H1, you disprove H0 which by necessity means H1 is true. Additionally H0 is (normally/traditionally) the view that the effect is not real or only due to chance. So when you asked to prove H1 I had a stats heart attack. Apologies!! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/15 08:32 PM |
| 1 | If the red pill isn't based on science and facts, well, what the fuck is it based on?I wasn't asking you to prove anything, not at all - I was only ever commenting on the fact that asking for a negative proof isn't going to get anyone anywhere. So the last one, for the most part, though I suspect we've been arguing semantics since the second post. That's were everything went sideways :P | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/15 07:51 PM |
| 1 | Do you guys realize that a lot of us sometimes **hate** the fact that The Red Pill works as well as it does?I personally don't doubt that TRP works on some women. If it didn't it wouldn't have a following. It's the type of women that it works ON that concerns me. Take your new LTR. From what you said, I would guess she is going to leave you if you stop being the 'alpha'. She isn't attached to you, as a person. She doesn't love you. She loves the image you project, the 'big, strong, emotionally distant guy'. Essentially she wanted a cookie cutter bad boy. I don't have any clue why any self-respecting p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/15 07:08 PM |
| 1 | If the red pill isn't based on science and facts, well, what the fuck is it based on?You want me to explain proving a negative, No. I already explained how one proves a negative. My responses have been to point out the issue in your asking for a negative proof. You dont prove a negative positively. You prove a negative by finding a positive that proves the negative true. ...... What? How do you find a positive that proves a negative true? This is the paradox with the two statements, "This statement is false" and "The previous statement is true". The way you use positive hypothes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/15 05:51 PM |
| 2 | If the red pill isn't based on science and facts, well, what the fuck is it based on?None of that was supporting your original claim/question for a negative proof of gender differences, though... I'm uncertain what you are trying to do here? The first part of the blog post have quoted is talking about mathematics, which is quite difference from either science or logic. In mathematics it is completely possible to prove a negative. That's not what anyone was talking about here. For the part with the pocket / domain argument, that's a simplification which can work. However, your "p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/15 04:03 PM |
| 2 | Should a woman be obligated to step in and try to stop a man from being attacked if she's the only one around?I'm going to answer, as your question is addressed to people who believe men have an obligation etc etc. However, that is because I believe ALL PEOPLE, regardless of gender, have an obligation to try to stop violence against another person, also regardless of gender. What constitutes 'help' is context dependent, and brings me to a question - what do you mean by 'step in'? [For context, average height, no martial arts skillz female checking in.] If by 'step in' you mean 'do anything to try to hel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/15 03:15 PM |
| 5 | If the red pill isn't based on science and facts, well, what the fuck is it based on?You don't ever prove a negative, in science or in logic. To demonstrate, prove to me that trees don't need water to survive. This is a ridiculous example that everyone certainly knows is false. But you CAN NOT prove it directly, as to do so would require you to study every tree that has ever, or will ever, be. This is why we use null hypothesis testing - by trying to prove a positive (in this case, let's say the hypothesis was 'Trees can survive without water') and seeing if the data support the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/15 12:58 PM |
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