Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?

danhakimi · 2015-07-08T00:25:13+00:00

Stop talking about TBP as though it's a real movement. It's not. Saying "everybody who isn't TRP" implies that less than 95% of the world is in that group.
TRP doesn't talk about "average," it talks about "all." Of course, they occasionally disclaim that by saying: "'all' doesn't mean 'all,' it means 'most,' which really means 'some.'" But you guys never actually talk about "some" or "average." You deal in extremely broad generalizations.
Because you're wrong. I can't even parse your thoughts clearly... I don't know or care what you're saying about "cheerleader types," but TRP doesn't apply to anybody who is human. You talk about women as though they're dogs -- TRP is only fit to apply to dogs, but your theory falls apart when you accept that the people you're talking about are people. Unique, free-willed people.

Jesus Christ I need to stay out of this subreddit...

TOOCGamer · 2015-07-07T23:43:09+00:00

Close enough to BP that I'll take a shot. It's simple - because of the 'average nice girls' I know, I doubt any stay with someone who treated them according to the TRP playbook. Having plates? Dread gaming? Emotionally distant? Gaslighting? No freakin' way.

So, to begin, my experience is different from apparently >90% of TRP. Fine, but now we are comparing anecdotes, which is a terrible way to have a debate. So I look for data. The data I find, and what I see presented here, does not suggest to me that what TRP claims as true is actually true, so I continue to disbelieve it. That's all there is to it in my case.

As an aside, the 'hot bimbo types' are not what most BPer's are talking about when they say self-fulfilling prophecy, imo. If you assume the women you pick up are disloyal, child-like, and generally incapable of love, and you make your game plan to appeal to that kind of woman, then it follows who you attract will match those characteristics.

PetticoatRuled · 2015-07-08T01:28:03+00:00

Sigh... for the last time:

TRP: We get women by sticking to TRP principles, including all of our badass evo-psych theories.

TBP: No, you get them by increasing your physical fitness, improving your body shape, clothing, confidence and you've learned how to flirt. Good job but that's general stuff.

TRP: You have to treat women like assholes and dread them hard and flirt with other women and hold frame at all times.

TBP: No, this behavior attracts the dumbhead women or the women with poor self esteem.

madscientistlove · 2015-07-08T00:14:14+00:00

How can TBP sit there and say that the average nice girls aren't attracted to the same basic things that the hot cheerleader types are attracted too?

Because I'm a blue pill woman, and I'm not even remotely attracted to the kinds of people TRP claims I should be. My entire life and relationship is a walking contradiction to everything red pill says should work. Because you fail to take into account that different humans have vastly different preferences to one another.

Edit: a word

terminator3456 · 2015-07-07T23:40:05+00:00

why aren't my anecdotes accepted as objective truth?

We can play this game all night chief.

CursedLemon · 2015-07-08T01:01:24+00:00

They're attracted to you during the period when the difference between you and a non-TRPer doesn't exist.

TheChemist158 · 2015-07-08T01:43:01+00:00

If your title starts with "why does X refuse to acknowledge" it is not a neutral title.

dakru · 2015-07-07T23:31:07+00:00

You have a belief, they say they don't believe it, and you assume that they actually do agree with you and believe the same thing but they're just lying about it? I think it's more likely that they genuinely disagree.

And I'm saying this as someone who does believe that women (even average women) tend to be attracted to masculine traits.

innergametrumpsall · 2015-10-28T20:22:02+00:00

Where does TBP say this? AWALT is the disproval of this statement. What you're talking about is a "unicorn." There are also bottom feeders that sleep with handicapped guys and what not.

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purple_lock · 2015-07-08T00:21:22+00:00

I wonder this a lot. I was thinking about making a "common BP misconceptions/fallacies that should never be repeated again" and this is a major one.

I'm Purple, not even red, and I've never been with a popular/cheerleader/sorority/party girl, but RP still applies to every romantic relationship or interaction that I've had with women. Oh and I've been in a relationship since I found TRP, never used/thought about/knew about TRP principles when I was looking for someone.

Every relationship I've been in has started out like TBP suggests it should; Hanging out with a group of mutual friends > meet a girl > start hanging out with her as friends > attraction develops, etc. No pick ups at clubs or bars or parties.

They were all intelligent, independent, confident (not insecure), kind (at the beginning), progressive, and educated. They all wanted an "equal" relationship, where everything was "fair."

And then it became apparent that they were selfish (sexually and otherwise), manipulative, irrational, and chock full of double standards. And the worst part (and this is important because it's a central source of BP's misunderstanding) is that they aren't doing it consciously. They actually thought they were being absolutely fair and balanced, and that our relationship was equal.

Personally I think it's because our society has pushed the idea that women are just inherently better, and therefore what they think is the way things should be done. "Fair/Equal" becomes "what she wants." And again, it's subtle and subconscious, not obvious and in your face.

Like, "I don't really like giving head (and if you push a girl to do anything sexual then you're a rapist) But I love when you go down on me (and men are selfish in bed so you need to step up.)" Boom, sex is on her terms.

Or, "I don't want you to look at porn. It's gross and shallow (like male sexuality) and it makes me feel bad about myself (because I refuse to do those things for you and I don't like you getting ideas.)" Wait, now she's controlling your sexuality? Yep, because arguing makes you a gross perv who's shallow and likes to oppress women.

Etc.

AWALT doesn't apply to every single woman, but it definitely applies to a large enough percentage that it's a good guideline to follow.

Edit: Just realized you're talking about RP tenants on what attracts women, not so much RP tenants about female nature. Oh well, similar subject.

thereddespair · 2015-07-08T15:12:42+00:00

normal average girls i think it can. the weird kind of women though, just because of the unpredictable nature of it, maybe it can go either way.

what i think more of really is the upper set. not the dumb ass bimbo types. but then again, those are rarely the targets of trp, the smarter accomplished hot but self sufficient aggressive types.

thinking about it, we always categorize men. is there one for women? just for fun

mcconnelldemasi · 2015-07-08T03:28:35+00:00

I had the impression TRP try to focus on dating above average women. That average women are fat and TRP is needed to game the thin attractive ones.

HappilySingleWoman · 2015-07-07T23:30:34+00:00

TBPillers see the worst of TRP so maybe they misunderstand some tactics a little .

Also , some of the tactics that TRPillers consider RP seem like everyday common interactions to Blue Pillers , so they don't consider them RP .

Xemnas81 · 2015-07-08T13:55:09+00:00

I generally take the opinion that women, like men, will act as blue pill or red pill as their SMV allows them to. The higher the SMV the more red you can go. This is why most hot girls want masculine guys and have high standards, (accompanied mostly but not always with princess complex). Whereas many less conventionally attractive women have more nuanced sensibilities and are willing to go for guys who are 'a little too nice' or 'not quite up to potential'.

Title	Why does TBP refuse to acknowledge that TRP applies to "Average" nice girls?
Author	AmericanHistoryAFBB
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Date	July 7, 2015 11:26 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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