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Yeah, it seems like the BP peeps here think it's literally only "spergs" and people who don't know how to shower who come to RP. They say "90% of men get this shit without needing it spelled out." Which I think is true. But the feminist propaganda? I think that has a far greater influence than they'd admit. I think in many places and for many men, the real problem isn't figuring out how to get a woman in the first place, it's how to act and treat her afterwards/while in a relationship. Personall…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/16 04:07 AM
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...but realistically if most women stopped working it would cause huge problems for the economy. If you lose half the workforce.... Or wages would go back up because women joining the workforce and doubling the worker supply without doubling the job supply totally fucked the living wage.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 05:15 PM
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Yeah this is incredibly common. Every women I've been with was uncomfortable with me having, female friends, and somehow always found a way to be upset when I wanted to hang out with my bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 04:57 PM
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...getting drunk and partying, spending time outside socializing, doing irresponsible and dangerous "boys will be boys" stuff like setting things on fire, blowing things up, breaking into abandoned buildings, parcours/skateboarding/martial arts or any other sport that you can show off all the time, experimenting with drugs, spending your afternoons walking through town chatting up all the other teen girls and generally doing things without thinking about their consequences. This is me, except fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 04:37 PM
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Nope. Their utility is elsewhere, which is great for the woman, but not the man. He won't get the respect, deference or blowjobs he deserves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/16 02:06 PM
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So despite claiming otherwise you've been a spineless doormat without any backbone. So...don't listen to women? Gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 03:39 PM
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Why is it always either X or the polar opposite of X? I was being hyperbolic. I understand that BP thinks you shouldn't make any judgements on women at all, that you should treat every girl like you've never seen or heard of a woman before. No "preconceived ideas". But you didn't have experience with regular women back then either. They don't like manipulative nice guys and doormats. They don't want to be treated like princesses and they don't want an orbiter. Yeah, I did. I wasn't a "manipulati…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 01:42 PM
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Sure. I was being hyperbolic. What I actually used to do was to never make any kind of judgement about a woman until I "knew" her. I would have had the same indignation that you have at the idea that people would categorize/pre-judge women before even meeting her. But eventually you start seeing patterns. And unless you're a feminist, you can't just ignore those patterns. And no, before you ask it's not me. I'm not some asshole. My only problem was being slightly a pushover, and putting her need…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/16 01:31 PM
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Yeah, no. It's funny how often this gets repeated, and yet is completely wrong. You see, this whole idea that RP only works on/sees damaged/manipulative/insecure women, (and that if only they would think AWAW [all women are wonderful] instead of AWALT, they would see a whole new subset of women who are the best and never play mind games) falls apart under one simple fact: Most guys who lean Red didn't always lean red. They had years of experience around women, while under the impression that wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/16 01:14 PM
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Yep. Although I'm an artist and spend lots of my time drawing female nudes and sexually explicit content, so I actually have found a way to do both at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 08:47 PM
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If that - how I feel on those few days - is how men feel all the time then congratulations to men for getting anything done, ever. Yeah that's about right, every day all day. And then often there's a few more days every once in a while, where it can go up another order of magnitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 01:56 PM
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However, I think I kinda need both. Living on the edge but with someone that I know I can come home to. That's sort of what I feel like as well. I'd like to have a "first mate" with whom I have a more significant, substantial relationship than sex, but I also need the freedom to pursue and not feel tied down. Having someone to go home to would be better than an empty house, for me, as long as we're on the same page. The ability to work things out and deepen the sexual connection would be great t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 03:58 PM
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Enthusiastic sex on demand, all the way. For me to switch sides: She'd have to be ok with bringing other women into the bedroom, and letting me chase some hot young tail when the need arose. She'd also have to be super kinky (which you didn't specify). I lean red but ideally I'd like to have a partner that I could really connect with and have a more substantial relationship with. I just have done the long-term monogamous thing and it wasn't for me, so she'd have to be ok with things being open o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/16 03:52 PM
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Also, just because men do these things at all does does not mean that it's equal to how much women do them. There are definitely selfish men, but the degrees of selfishness I've experienced between the two genders are 2 or 3 orders of magnitude apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 02:46 PM
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If you have kids before 25, you don't have any assets. What dream world do you live in where a single parent with only a high school diploma can support herself and at least 1 kid? Which is why you choose an older man. Again, if my dad has suddenly died when we were kids, my mom would get the assets of my dads business, and the money he made trading stocks. But you're right, a young couple wouldn't be able to do it. I'll add that to the list of reasons why older man-younger woman is the best str…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 02:41 PM
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Because older man-younger woman is the best possible combination. My mom was able to start a family right away instead of wasting years getting a degree or career. My dad had a stable business that could support a family, and she was able to focus 100% on being a mom, which is the best possible option for the kids. Also, as a man, a woman your own age or older is going to think that she's "equal" or even superior because of her age. An age gap like my parents gives a clear idea who's in charge.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 02:29 PM
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I hope you're able to find women that are down with your harem lifestyle! I just think it's smarter to look for that kind of girl in the first place rather than ask it of a girl that you've been dating for awhile to do it when she didn't know you'd be expecting that when you first got together. Well yeah, that's my general approach. I tried asking for things with a girl after we had been dating for a few years (and I found out that's what I wanted) but nothing so extreme as what I've described. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 04:26 AM
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She was a professional Ballerina. Young, feminine, graceful, in great shape, etc. Of course she could.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 04:17 AM
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Are you calling my mother low value? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 01:25 PM
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So really, you don't believe any man is good material for a monogamous LTR. Maybe like 1/3rd of men. But so far I haven't met one man who actually wants to be monogamous. They all settle for it, but none of them actually want it. I think that's silly. In your world of harems, a small amount of men are extremely happy, maybe some of the women are happy, and most men are very much unhappy. Maybe, maybe not. Clearly not something that's going to happen any time soon with all the feminist spew of la…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 01:24 PM
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Ha, poor guy. Feminism got its hooks in him! His dick won't let him cum on your face. Lol. Sounds like he didn't know what to do! Unfortunately I doubt that I am exactly the type of woman you're looking for. My degrading fantasies go further than just that. Eh, maybe not. I definitely have a kink degrading women though! Sounds like it could be fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 01:19 PM
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Hell, they can get in a car accident and be gone. Then who will support the family? The mom should have a way to earn income as well just in case any number of things happen. Well, I assume she'd get all of his assets and everything he owned? Which (if the couple was smart about it) would be enough to get them back on their feet? Do you have a source that women like a guy 10 years older than them? Most women like men their same age. Women over 40 actually prefer men younger than them. I definite…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 02:04 AM
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The woman would be completely dependent on her husband. If he starts to get abusive or if he just changes his mind, she is fucked. Seriously? How often do people just "get abusive" out of nowhere? I mean, you know that in many cases, probably the majority, where a man gets "abusive," the woman has a major hand in causing it? She nags him, belittles him, insults him, many times actively encourages him, and often physically provokes him, and it's only after hours of this that his resolve breaks do…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 12:52 AM
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I'm not saying there's something wrong with men who want anal. I'm saying there's something wrong with men who think their partner is obligated to give them anal even though she finds it painful, simply because she's done it in the past. This is stupid. She's not doing it not to deprive you but because she's learned she doesn't like it. It's not about adventurousness. Well then she's gonna find a lot of boyfriends who feel like they're getting the short end of the stick. Honestly, I still think …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 12:37 AM
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Well, in my opinion, men and women are sexually different. Men biologically want to have sex with many women, it's just the way it is. I know that lots of propaganda from the feminist branch of thinking has made a lot of men think they don't want that, or more accurately be ashamed they want that, because I used to be one. But that's the reality. On the other hand women do not have that urge. Again, lots of propaganda about "finding yourself" and "exploring your sexuality" has muddied the waters…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 12:25 AM
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Do you only extend this to threesomes, or is it the girlfriend's responsibility to fill every kink of his, no matter how weird? I mean, if she wants to be with him and sexually exclusive then yeah, every kink would be best? Why is this so weird? You don't think it's a bit entitled to expect your straight girlfriend to do sexual things with a woman purely because you want her to? No, women's sexuality is much more fluid and most women are at least partially bisexual, and if not, well, women doing…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 12:18 AM
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Well that's encouraging, exactly the type of woman I'm looking for. So you've never had a partner request but you find it hot? Have you ever requested it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/16 12:13 AM
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I wouldn't be with that girl, and that fantasy is so rare in women that I'm not worried about it. Uh, yeah I'd say it kinda is your responsibility to fulfill his fantasies, especially if you expect him to be committed to you. Where else is he going to fulfill them?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 04:17 PM
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No, there's something really, really wrong with people who're like 'if she gave him anal she's gotta give me anal even if she didn't like it!'. No, there's absolutely nothing wrong with them. You've also got lots of straw in there. Men don't want to do anal because it's slightly painful for the woman, they want to do it because it feels good and it has an element of dominance. And yes, no matter how often you say it, a woman that tries a whole bunch of stuff when she's riding the CC, then decide…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 02:54 PM
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Idk why the second is an issue when women do it and not when men do it, unless you're just being sexist. Men and women are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 02:40 PM
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So, she did anal for an ex in the past. Maybe it was to stop him whining, stop him 'accidentally' ramming it in or because she was curious. They break up and she decides that she didn't enjoy it. So when TRP uses anal as the ultimate act which represents how much their partner wants them, it's fucked up. They could be giving their RP partner regular sex but this one refusal seems to piss people off like crazy in this sub. Yeah, sorry but if she doesn't do it with a new boyfriend that asks, that …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 02:33 PM
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I'm not nomdplume, but for me it's partially the dominance, and that I have a serious cum fetish, or rather my partner needs to have one. Honestly, actually thinking about it, it's sort of sad. I think it's so popular because most women are so prude and so grossed out by cum that the idea that she'd like it on her face is insanely hot. Same goes for swallowing, and any other cum fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 02:19 PM
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But you can't call a woman selfish for not wanting to share. Imagine another guy taking your wife and kissing her while you watch. She's paying attention to how gorgeous he is as he seduces her. When they're fucking, you're watching as she gets off with him. Maybe you're joining in but you can never forget her face as he gets her off. Sure I can. The act of sex is different for men and women. Her getting penetrated and dominated by another man is different than me dominating another woman. IMO, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 02:12 PM
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Yeah no, women should have kids before 30, ideally before 25, if she wants them. She should find a man that's at least 10 years older than her so she's taken care of. My mom was 23 when she had me, and I can't imagine her being as joyful, kind and innocent, if she had spent 10 years as a corporate drone. In fact my parents relationship is very RP and honestly they got it right. My parents met when my mom was 19/20, and my dad was 38. My dad was a Carpenter and my mom was a professional Ballerina…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 01:50 PM
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Yeah? If it's one of his fantasies, like it is for I'd say 85-90%. What's the problem? That he's going to lose interest in you? That's pretty backwards. I'm actually in the process of breaking up with a girl because she wasn't open-minded to the idea (even though she had done it before with an ex or two). If it's just because she doesn't feel like it or other girls are icky or she just wants to own him, I think it's pretty selfish. What's the downside of fulfilling a mans sexual fantasies? Oh ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/16 12:52 AM
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Well, yeah if I was taking their word while we were still dating I'd think I was an 11 too, but this is more an assessment of what they've said after parting ways. So slightly less biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 08:39 PM
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Girlfriends, friends and observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 08:24 PM
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Nope. Gotten compliments a handful of times, so I've got that going for me. I'm a 7 if my sources are correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 08:12 PM
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Sure, maybe facials, and come to think of it, maybe weird sexual positions that look good but don't actually feel good. But that's moving goal posts...we were talking about anal and threesomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 04:08 PM
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Why is it acceptable that men watch lots of porn? Half the complaints about past partners are about anal and threesomes. And no offense but almost no woman who actually loves you will want a threesome. The women who can stand it are rare. Are you one of those women who think men's sexual desires comes from porn? Because your wrong. What men want sexually is not inspired by Porn. Porn is inspired by what men want sexually. That's the whole point of porn. I've never met a man (who I got to know to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 01:56 PM
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We are always thinking about how to keep harmony in the relationship. Sometimes that involves letting things go or not always getting your way. Other times it means being assertive but tactful and respectful. This should be taught to girls in school. Sadly, I've never been with a woman who holds this attitude. Most of them are more concerned with showing how "independent" and "equal," and how they "don't need no man." And I'm always sitting there thinking, "I didn't want to fight, there's no rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/16 01:59 PM
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So the posts on tumblr that get 200,000 likes are also representative...right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/16 02:37 PM
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In the case of A and B, she should try not being so selfish. Let him bring home some tight young flesh. Join in. Invite her best friend. I'd say that'd definitely make him think twice about leaving.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 02:00 PM
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Screw that. Make her swallow it, then you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/16 01:55 PM
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To be sure, it's a rare few men who are getting on-demand porn-style casual sex with hot, young women. Really? This is an unreasonable benchmark? Lose the "casual" part and this is what a relationship should be. I'm probably a perfect example of this "average" man you speak of. I'm not tall, I'm not ripped, but I'm also not short or fat. I've had a few sexual partners, mostly in monogamous relationships. I'm closer to a jock than a nerd, though I am a gamer. But I'm also a very proficient artist…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/16 02:26 PM
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Personally, I've always been skinny, and I was constantly told that it didn't matter and that working out and getting muscles was a waste of time and that only douchebags cared about that (overwhelmingly by women). Maybe not being fat is common sense, but that's not the only way to be out of shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 02:05 PM
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Well, all I can say is lucky you/lucky men in your/their lives. I wish any of the women I've been with had that attitude. I wonder what the deciding factor is. As I said, I'm from a liberal town/city (definitely not a big city with skyscrapers but definitely not a small town), where feminism reigns supreme, and all the women here seem to think that porn is another example of male entitlement and objectification and such related nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 01:05 AM
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I'm 25. Yeah, I've never met a woman who was fine with it. All of them think it's gross and probably sexist somehow. I think it could have to do with insecurity. There's the whole silly idea that men are "getting ideas" from porn, that it's giving them "unrealistic expectations." I guess I can understand, it's probably not fun to be outdone by some pixels on the screen. But I never understood why, instead of showing up and proving that she's better than porn, women would rather complain and whin…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/16 01:11 PM
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Yeah, every girl I've ever been with. And before you make some assumption I live in a liberal utopia, not Podunk, Conservistan. I don't know how they came to those results in the studies above, but I think I've met 1 woman in my entire life who watches porn regularly. Never met 1 in person who was fine with her boyfriend watching it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/16 02:21 PM
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Music - EDM, metal (tool), psychedelic (infected mushroom/shpongle) etc. Art - my SO's a musician, mainly cello, but she doesn't play often. I'm the artist round these parts. General - Generally, the women in my life are interested in things like makeup, animals, "dieting" (being vegetarian/vegan). They can talk for hours about gossip :P, organic/natural food/medicine/living, and especially ideas like karma, astrology, nature, and energy. At least it's not so basic, but it's definitely pretty bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/16 01:55 PM
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So let him have a little strange sometimes. I'd wager that above all, most men would like most to have a deep relationship with a woman he feels a connection with, without feeling like he'll never ever touch another naked woman again in his life. Bonus points if you help him score a girl, double bonus points if you join in and give him a little girl on girl action ;). That dude isn't going anywhere!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 05:26 PM
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To add to what others have said, I think it's very easy for men to get hung up on one girl, and truly not be concerned with chasing tail...for a certain amount of time. Five years down the line though? I'd be willing to bet he's got more dirty thoughts than he knows what to do with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 05:21 PM
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Awesome posts. And to quote you earlier- Do you see pleasing a male romantic partner as negative? -Which was never answered, I would say yes, this is a big part of many women's opposition to RP/RPW. Sadly it seems like most women would rather prove they're "equal," or try to compete with their man than go the slightest bit out of their way to make him happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/16 05:05 PM
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i mean, when nearly every single shooting is done by a dude, you haft to sit back and ask "what is it about dudes that makes them more likely to shoot a bunch of innocent people" You've gotten a lot of replies, but I don't see one that's touched on the real point, in my opinion. You're right, they're all done by men. But instead of lazily blaming "masculinity," maybe someone should look at all the propaganda telling men how horrible they are, how toxic they are, how they all need to be taught no…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 07:16 PM
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The idea that "male gaze" is a thing, men being shamed or called entitled for their preferences (such as calling them perverts or pedophiles for being attracted to younger women, or a shaved cooch), men being shamed for looking at porn or owning a sex toy (swap genders and she's "exploring her sexuality"), the hysteria regarding "objectification," which is just shaming men for being more visually stimulated, and much more that I don't feel like getting into. Honesty there's no question this shit…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/16 10:46 PM
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Why is the most popular entertainment blending the two? The Force Awakens, for example, made over a billion - but it wasn't noted for it's quality plot - most defenders, defend the characters. Such a disappointment. And all the people I talk to (including my 50/60 y/o parents I went to see it with, who are huge Star Wars fans) thought that Rey was a ridiculous character. The movie was basically an excersize in feminist masturbation. I can't think of a single scene where she loses or fails at all…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/16 01:05 PM
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love their husband would be mortified at the idea that he would want them to act like a slut. Welp, sorry to say, but that's a contradiction to the vast, vast majority of men. Now, of course the definition of slut varies wildly. I for instance don't want a "party animal," but I won't settle for a girl who isn't adventurous and willing. I'm willing to bet 90% of the men out there are the same way. That is to say, if they felt they were allowed to voice their preferences. The reality is that most …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 11:08 PM
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As for your friends; you get what you look for. A dude who's polite and gentle will attract polite, demure girls, whereas a man who's pushing a party animal vibe will get attract bottle popping girls. Right right, so tell me again, why on earth would you want to be a polite and gentle as a man? I mean, you seriously twisted the wording around here, "polite," "demure," vs "bottle popping." The truth is "polite" girl is actually not really attracted to her man, and the "bottle popper" actually mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 01:05 PM
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Too bad every single response is dodging the question. This is definitely an incredibly common experience for every dude I know who went the 'recommended' route of not being too forward, being respectful, and not putting any pressure on the girl whatsoever. My friends who are cocky, sexually forward, and don't 'respect' her are not experiencing this. One of them is in an LTR with a girl who likes to bring her friends over to play. Personally, I think the denial here says something about the real…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/16 12:32 PM
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The responses you'll get are going to basically boil down to this; All women are going to do that, or at least enough of them that there's no point holding out for the one that doesn't. In my experience, they're right. It's not something women do consciously, but every woman I've ever been with has.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/16 01:08 PM
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Same here. We get it, Grl Power!!1 The scenes with Han and Chewie were great though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 06:12 AM
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Who isn't attracted to girls who are hot af and are so self-assured and ''bitchy'' ? Yeah, no thanks. IME that translates to stubborn, competitive, difficult women, who just argue with you because she's too "strong and independent" to let anyone else take the reigns. But if you're into that...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/16 09:39 PM
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I actually do have some friends who do think that women should rule the world, and that it would be better if there were no men... and I usually hear this from men. -_-' The product of a generation of shaming men and masculinity. A few years ago I might have agreed with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 02:20 AM
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Right right, because even though I found TRP et al less than two years ago (and before that was a feminist by default), I've somehow always been a woman hating sexist and my brain just filters that stuff out? So show me the president of the US saying (outright!) that men are better than women...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 01:03 PM
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I think it would be more offensive, but only because there actually was/is a widespread idea that men are more enlightened and better leaders than women, and a movie like that might seem like it's reinforcing this outdated notion, whereas this mockumentary is just silly. In my life time, the widespread idea has been that women are all around better, a-la Michelle Obama flat out saying that women are smarter than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 02:01 AM
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Bullshit. The equivalent would be the guy being forced to fuck a woman he's not attracted to. How do you even...?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/16 01:29 PM
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Good work, I can't complain too much about your ideas. I disagree with this because I believe that artificially segregating women and men into gender roles based upon their sex and not upon their personalities is not fair to either sex. I guess I don't believe in artificial segregation, I just believe that's the direction most people will go if they don't have a bunch of feminists telling them they're either being misogynistic (men) or have "internalized misogyny" (women). 1-6 I have no comment …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 10:03 PM
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I like how this thread is full of people hemming and hawing and avoiding the question, while the RP thread is full of answers :P
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 01:12 PM
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What I am seeing now in society is that we still harbor the (sexist) view that women need to be coddled, they are more sensitive, they are less rational, etc. Women can't claim to want equality and then also enforce gender roles which only benefit them. Women still believe they are the innocent, perfect, creatures - goddesses - that art and literature make them out to be. Women need to realize life isn't like that now! We wanted to be like men, and now since we can be we either need to own up to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/16 12:48 PM
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Biological imbalances? I've been in a relationship for almost 6 years, and I started reading about this stuff probably 2 years ago. It's all in my head, I understand it, and yet I still have trouble implementing it. If I didn't I'd have split years ago, but I think men are usually much more invested in the relationship, so it's much easier for women to be subtly (or not so subtly) abusive without any consequences. At least that's my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 10:27 PM
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The current state of affairs (men being treated poorly and being taken advantage of by women) is in part caused by the liberation of women from men. So we need to ask ourselves how we can instill women with the values of pleasing and catering to the men they love, within the bounds of this society where women are free to chose what they do with their lives. What a refreshing viewpoint to see from a woman on here! Yes, I think that would be the ideal for most men leaning red, it's just that they …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/16 02:58 PM
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But you just said two comments up: (Women are just more likely to have that option [to be a bitch]) Honestly, is it really that hard to imagine that after decades of propaganda telling men to put women first, and women to put women first, women might actually be more likely to be selfish/solipsistic/entitled/etc., (especially in the realm of romantic/sexual relationships)? Personally, I do believe that at the moment, in the west, women are overall more likely to be bitchy and selfish and feel en…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/16 01:32 PM
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That's the problem. Men don't want to be more feminine. As he said above, he wants to be allowed to be masculine, but feminism has taken to shaming men who like being masculine and calling them toxic. I would say this is one of the main problems feminism is stuck on. The vast majority of men have no interest in being more feminine. They like being masculine, and they like feminine women. You seem to be missing the point. Feminists have not glorified the classical virtues of women at all. Instead…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/16 01:39 PM
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No of course not. I believe in some RP theories myself that may not be putting women in some angelic, positive light. But are you arguing that all the RP stuff we see on this sub that is negative about women is entirely justified? Because I see stuff all the time that is completely unjustified. I won't argue that, and I spend little to no time on the main sub anyway. I just think that much more of it is justified than the mainstream/BP would have you believe. There's a difference between a group…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 05:18 PM
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I wish it was just what you say it was. I would not have an issue with it if it were. But what I see is a forum supposedly about "self improvement" that churns out very negative beliefs about women and relationships with them too. What if it actually is just men trading notes and observations about women? Can you only call it that if the notes and observations put women in a positive light? If it puts them in a negative light then it's some sort of propaganda? What if those "negative beliefs" ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/16 04:02 PM
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Sounds incredibly lame tbh. I've heard lots of feminists say basically the same thing (not sure if you're one or not) and whenever I hear it it makes me think of the society in the movie "Equilibrium." Everyone wearing grey, marching in unison through a colorless city, taking injections to chemically stifle all emotion. Is art depicting non-androgynous people going to be banned?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/16 01:44 PM
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She's saying that those behaviors are not attractive to women, hence TRP not recommending them. Not that those behaviors are attractive to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/16 12:27 AM
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Eesti? Are you Estonian?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/16 03:34 PM
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However, are women really the ones who are more controlled by their emotions? If that's the case then why are men the ones most likely to lose it when they're furious and do something incredibly stupid like murder someone or beat them up? When it actually comes to which gender is more likely to murder their SO in the heat of the moment, men are the ones who win and statistics show it. Who are the ones more likely to lose it and become violent when they're furious? Men. Yeah, after an extended pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 04:17 PM
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Right, I see where the confusion is. I didn't mean it like "I had to make an effort to hide my sexist jerk opinions." It was more "I tried to actively do the opposite of what everyone says those sexist jerks do." I.e. I always did the traditionally "feminine" chores so it was clear I wasn't "expecting" anything of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 01:01 AM
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I thought it would be clear, but that's just how I was with everyone. At the time I didn't think I really needed to do anything special to attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 09:35 PM
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I was thinking in BP terms. They usually use it to mean a woman who fits AWALT. That's kind of the point that I was trying to make in a way. RP says AWALT, BP says you've only ever been with "low quality women."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/16 05:19 PM
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I have never, I repeat, NEVER, heard a Terper say anything even remotely positive about women in general. All the character traits or personal qualities you respect - confidence, strength, logic, etc - are assigned for men, never for women. Bullshit. I'm purple but Trp says plenty of positive things about women. They may not fit into your definition of "good" or "positive" but they are. For instance: Trp would probably say that women are better homemakers, better caregivers, more emotionally con…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 04:20 PM
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I think men value the comfort, but not necessarily the "safety or security." Sure they don't want to be constantly scared, but men aren't like that anyway. I'd wager most men would rather have a woman whom they feel like they need to (and have the capability to) protect and keep safe, rather than a woman who can protect them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 04:07 PM
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Anyway, look at other branches of my family and girls I go to college with...and youve got nurses, fitness trainers, cops, teachers, programmers....ladies with skills. Even the ones who work lower paying jobs are working double shifts full time if they need to. They contribute to household financial responsibilities. They have kids too. Modern women are encouraged to work in the west. Again, this comes down to what men value. Most men don't want a partner who comes home stressed, tired and crank…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 03:54 PM
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Yeah, every single relationship I've ever had would be considered equal by mainstream standards, and they were all clearly (now that I'm actually paying attention) female led. The reality is it just doesn't happen. There will always be a power imbalance, no matter what. The only way I can imagine a perfectly equal relationship is if you and your partner are exactly the same. Meaning you agree on everything, want to do the same things, want to eat the same thing, etc. How boring would that be? Ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 03:15 PM
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I've been wondering exactly the same thing recently. If it's not a competition, why are feminists/women trying so hard to be more masculine? If it wasn't a competition, then the two complimentary sides would be using their different skill sets to benefit each other. That's how most teams/partnerships work. Each individual has their own skills, and their own role to play. If everyone in the team is fighting for captain nothing gets done, and if everyone on the team is exactly the same as everyone…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/16 01:22 PM
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No? What I'm trying to say is that men get told they're "acting entitled" for even the tiniest complaints. So I don't think the metric for women "acting entitled" should be based on them outright saying "I'm entitled." Course I think the feminist ideas on "male entitlement" are rubbish, but you're acting like the only women who are acting entitled to sex are the ones who say it explicitly...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 01:54 AM
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However, when did any of these people ever walk up to a man, and say "I want to have sex with you now and I am entitled to it". Spoiler alert: practically never, because no one takes that shit serious. Spoiler alert, none of the men who are accused of being entitled to sex say that either...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/16 12:10 AM
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Well Mad Max really isn't about Furiosa's superiority to be honest. No, it's not. Thank god. No, I won't stop using it. It is a perfect example of a big franchise where a girl took the lead and guess what? People didn't care and came to the movie in droves. People came to the movie in droves because it was Star Wars, not because it was a female lead. Lots of people left the theater disappointed because of the female lead (and ridiculous "female empowerment" scenes), not because it was Star Wars.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 04:41 PM
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Oh god, please stop using Star Wars as an example. TFA has been successful simply because it's attached to a 40 y/o billion dollar franchise. It's actually a perfect example of the dangers of feminism's influence on the media. The movie could have been amazing, but instead we had to throw in a bunch of completely unnecessary "girl power" moments that make absolutely no sense in the context of the story. The entire movie was "look at how much better Rey is than literally every male character!!!" …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/15 02:27 PM
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fap fap fap
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 01:42 PM
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anyhoo, CMV, or at least provide convincing anecdotes about that bro you know who snagged (not paid for) a 20 year old HB9 when he was 38 years old. Well, my dad was about 37/38 when he got together with my mom. She's 18 years younger than him. They're still together, 26 years later. It's super weird to think about rating my parents, but she was a professional ballet dancer when they met. He was a carpenter/contractor. Edit: Just remembered, dad was 37, mom was 19.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/15 12:51 AM
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Be honest from the outset. Really. Then this won't happen "multiple times." You made your bed, now lie in it, and accept that your partner is not into these things (and never was) and is in no way required to "compromise" because there is no win for her in this. "Compromising" here will not make the relationship better or healthier. Just to reply real quick, you're absolutely right. Those instances I'm referring to were back when I was blue as can be and couldn't work out what I wanted. I felt l…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 02:44 PM
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Sure. It'll be a longish post so it might take me a bit. Just check back here! 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 02:08 PM
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What about the high risk of suicide in men, due to the fact that... I mean, it's kinda right under your nose. How would you feel if you were constantly told that expressing your sexuality was oppressive and entitled. How would you feel if you were constantly berated about being "privileged" even though you're struggling through each day. How would you feel if one of the core aspects of your identity ("maleness/femaleness") was derided as toxic and violent. Or if every single attempt to interact …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 12:50 PM
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I think you mean higher X-drives. Heh heh.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 11:00 PM
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It's a good state ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/15 01:36 AM
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Lol, are you for real? You say this: That's right, TRPers literally believe that all women are willing to kill you to get a bit of attention. And remember, AWALT means no exceptions, no unicorns, and even applies to your own mother... Literally right after this quote: And then you realize... AWALT. They're all capable of this and do act like this at times. Maybe the outcome is less severe and she doesn't encourage you to kill yourself, but a woman will, without question, eventually take advantag…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/15 11:04 PM
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Get with her immediately. Of course, the perfect girl for me would be down with bringing other women into the bedroom ever so often, sooo... :P
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/15 01:50 PM
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News flash, it's very rarely the man who makes things adversarial. I was never controlling, manipulative, or selfish in my relationships. It's always the woman who decides that he's not allowed to do this or that because it makes her feel bad, or withholds sex, or becomes irrational and manipulative. I'd be willing to bet almost every guy on TRP didn't start out thinking relationships were adversarial. And I'd definitely be willing to bet that women are the ones that cause that dynamic more ofte…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/15 05:32 PM
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Yeah pretty much. Mind you, how I frame it is generally within the context of romantic relationships. Outside of that, women have treated me (and I treat them) largely just the same as any male stranger. But within romantic relationships (both my own and those close to me) women have been more selfish, hypocritical, and irrational than men by a long shot. I personally think one of the reasons is that there's very little leeway in terms of what are "acceptable" boundaries for men to have. Expecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/15 03:41 AM
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Close. What makes it AWALT and not APALT is the fact that women act like that more often. Whether it's because of biology, society, whatever, the fact is women are selfish, hypocritical, and illogical (etc.) more often than men. I think it's obvious that society has a large part to play in it, but I don't think that's all there is to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 01:19 PM
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Exactly. It becomes a question of how much is she "like that." I've met a few (very few) women who barely fit, and the rest are scattered along the curve. Of course they're not all exactly the same. Didn't we just have this conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 01:06 PM
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I thought that two girls was implied. I mean, some guys are probably into that, but I meant that most guys are into the idea of bringing another lady into the bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 11:12 PM
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I don't know if they say they'll be happy with anything. Maybe in the deadbedroom moment, but that's out of desperation. Most men expect some type of effort. However, I disagree that it necessarily will progress all the way to an open marriage request. I agree that threesomes will probably come up, and personally I don't really see why that's such a big deal. It's something that almost every guy I've ever talked to (except male bloops lol) wants to try, what's the problem with indulging that. He…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 10:44 PM
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Who says this? Certainly not I, and I'm more blue than a Smurf. If you say "maybe the woman needed to lose some weight/dress up more" or "maybe she should be more accommodating in the bedroom" or "sometimes she could put her own feelings to the side and do it for him," there's more than a good chance you'll be accused of misogyny, daring to think you have any control over a woman's body, and how awfully entitled you are to think that your wife should have sex with you. Then you'll get the old "p…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 01:20 PM
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Then there are the women not getting any sex. Their husbands either have a low sex drive or prefer to jerk off to porn. This is a LOT more common than is ever said in the media. Women won't talk about it in public, because everyone assumes it's the women's fault when her husband doesn't want sex. Why don't people actually consider why he prefers jerking off to porn? Is it maybe because his wife is uninterested in doing the things he wants to do? I personally have been in a dead bedroom situation…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/15 01:05 PM
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Isn't that what TRP tries to say when women get special treatment like affirmative action? Or when they get a pass for their criminal activity and are not punished as much as men are? It can be one or the other. If men are actually superior to women, it makes sense that women will get special treatment or different sentencing. If not, then those things need to GTFO. As it is, we're in some sort of twilight zone where women can pick and choose the parts of either attitude that they like, and disc…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/15 01:27 PM
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It's not? I thought saying that women were good for baby-making/raising was blasphemy to the feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/15 02:48 PM
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Yeah...I just don't really see why these few things should make us incompatible, especially when she seems to just be parroting ideas that she hasn't really considered, just taken at face value.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/15 01:55 AM
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I disagree with your premise that dude's can't get a boner because they can't dominate their partner. Maybe I'm that 1/10 dude but I honestly have trouble getting off if I feel like my partner is uncomfortable, I love going 50/50 with sex, etc. I agree that I want a woman who isn't threatened by male sexuality, but at the same time, I myself am not threatened by female sexuality; If she wants me to do something to get her off I'm game, it doesn't need to be all about me. I sex more as two people…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 02:26 PM
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Yeah, her issues probably are less from feminism, and more from just bad advice/ideas in general. It's mostly my issues that stem from feminism. So, am I getting this right: you initially felt that your desire for a DS relationship was wrong and oppressive. Your girlfriend had the idea that every single sex act had to be mirrored? So, if you wanted to fuck her in the ass, she thought you should be pegged despite her lack of interest? Pretty much. I don't know if she thought about it exactly in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 02:21 PM
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Lots of feminists think PIV is rape. Sorry I didn't save their drivel so I can refer back to it when I want to feel like a rapist...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 02:08 PM
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Do you realize how selfish that makes men sound? What about all of that male selflessness, honor, loyalty, etc. we keep hearing about on TRP? This makes the alleged 9/10 men sound like petulant, narcissistic little boys. Did you even read my post? How about the others in this thread? I'm sorry, I don't think equalizing an already biased situation is selfish... Why not have you experience the same thing as her? Personally, I've tried anal and I hate it. If she dislikes it and she pegs you, you mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 02:07 PM
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I'll just quote /u/spacecanucks, and you can read my response here - Here's the thing: it doesn't need to be 50/50 on exactly the same things. If you like anal and she finds it uncomfortable, then you can take the time out of your day to listen to how her day was. Or to take some time to make her a nice dinner. Or maybe you like getting blowjobs and she likes it when you tease her. It's the idea of give and take.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 04:04 AM
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Here's the thing: it doesn't need to be 50/50 on exactly the same things. If you like anal and she finds it uncomfortable, then you can take the time out of your day to listen to how her day was. Or to take some time to make her a nice dinner. Or maybe you like getting blowjobs and she likes it when you tease her. It's the idea of give and take. Yes. Absolutely agree. I already do stuff like this all the time. My relationships have all been quite one-sided, very biased in the woman's favor. I fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 04:00 AM
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And even if it IS sexualization, so what? I mean, it's a drawing. No one is getting hurt. Seriously, thank you. Every time I hear this it restores my faith a little bit. Well, you're still young, and I'm assuming she's probably a bit younger? I don't know, if I were you these things would be dealbreaker-y but I have the advantage of not being in love with this girl. I would be INCREDIBLY frustrated, though, by a partner who insisted on sticking to an ideology in bed, especially if I didn't think…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 03:32 AM
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So I have to do everything that she does, even if she derives no pleasure from it? Dat ol' 100% equal crap again huh :P. What sexual act does she expect that involves blocking your airway and triggering a retching, vomiting response? I mean, when I go down on her? No retching but plenty of dead jaw. Her favorite position gives me a back cramp that usually lasts a few days? I mean, come on. Do I need to suck a dick in order to ask for a blowjob now? Does my girlfriend need to go down on a girl fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 03:20 AM
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Well, I guess I was assuming a baseline of being willing to be involved and try this stuff in the first place. From there we can talk about enthusiasm. I feel like I'm totally misunderstanding, can you explain what you mean or give an example of submissive enthusiasm? Genuinely curious. I'm also super curious about your opinions on porn. I feel like even in mainstream non-Dom/sub porn the women are in the submissive role, but it seems like that's what you're talking about. I can definitely see i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 02:35 AM
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Doesn't this essentially mean that when the man takes charge she will "react" to it enthusiastically? That's like, exactly what I'm talking about. Or am I misunderstanding?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 01:56 AM
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I didn't save anything to refer back to lol. I've seen it expressed in all the "mainstream" subreddits related to sex and relationships as well, but I stopped browsing all of those a while ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 01:52 AM
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Enthusiasm and open-ness? Willingness to give without expecting to get, occasionally? IME these qualities are in the minority. I may just be unlucky, but lots of men seem to agree with me. Think about it. She Comes First is a well known piece of literature that many men are encouraged to read if they want to be a good lover. Where is the male equivalent? Not stupid Cosmo listicles, but a serious book about pleasing your male partner that is commonly recommended to women who want to make a man go…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 01:45 AM
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You said in your post that you gave your girlfriend oral each and every time you had sex. So why would she be demanding you reciprocate if it's something you're already doing? Because I decided I wanted blowjobs on their own occasionally, since I did plenty for her that she didn't reciprocate exactly 100%. So then she wanted NSA head, even though she doesn't get off from just oral. It was just because she felt like everything had to be 100% "equal." I smell a rat. I think you, like a lot of red …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 12:21 AM
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Well that is strange. I've always felt feminism promoted anyway you like it sex positivity. I only got that when they were talking about women. For men it was "anyway you like it, except for this and this and this, that's oppressive." TwoX is one of the places I saw the "blowjobs/deepthroating/cum-play/anal is oppressive!!!" attitude getting reinforced. Talking about how men have these fetishes because they secretly hate women and want to hurt them and humiliate them, not because it's hot/feels …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 12:18 AM
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Oh yeah. It came in stages for me. First I was like, fuck this, I want more blowjobs, I'll go down on her whenever she wants! Then it was, fuck this, I want more blowjobs without feeling like I need to reciprocate in kind, I do plenty for her in the first place. Now it's like, fuck that, I want a full on submissive girl who loves going down on me and swallowing my cum, and everything doesn't need to be 100% equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/15 12:08 AM
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I'm 24. Also, do you love this girl? That is a good question. My initial response was "yes of course," and that's true, which makes it much harder. We clash on a few things that are really important, and I know that if those things don't get worked out soon, I can't stay with her. But see, this is what bugs me so much! The things we clash on are mostly a result of a bunch of feminist ideas that have screwed things up for both of us. They don't seem to really be what she believes, she's just not …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 11:53 PM
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"I was indoctrinated by feminism" bullshit. You were not. You were indoctrinated by some bullshit strawman version of feminism. Suuuuure...So reading and interacting with mainstream feminists is some "bullshit strawman." You're the one who's been indoctrinated if you believe that feminism doesn't have anything to do with this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 11:21 PM
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It'd be great if that was actually the case. I'm sure there are many feminists like yourself who understand the difference. Sadly those were not the feminists I was around/exposed to when I was younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 11:19 PM
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As I said - you realized what you liked. You realized it's not a problem. That's a good thing. Now go find a girl who wants to be verbally abused while she chokes on your dick and it'll all be rainbows and kittens! Mmmm, where are these unicorns! God I wish I had found TRP earlier. As it is I was in an LTR for 4 years before I did, and cemented a lot of bad habits and patterns during that time. It sucks because this girl isn't some abusive bitch, she's great in almost every aspect. So right now …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 11:17 PM
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Feminism is not to blame for your unwillingness to communicate your sexual desires to your partners. As I've said elsewhere, the idea that I was being oppressive or sexist by having those desires didn't come from thin air.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 11:13 PM
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then she can finish him off with a bj This guy knows whats up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 11:12 PM
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Feminism has nothing to do with your bedroom activities Where did I get all those ideas that I was being oppressive? They didn't just come from thin air...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 11:11 PM
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But they don't...It's not that they do them but don't want to, it's that they don't do them at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 11:09 PM
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Exactly my thoughts. I don't understand why it's so difficult to reciprocate. Men do it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 11:05 PM
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Pretty much what /u/cxj said. I do lots of stuff I think is "gross," or uncomfortable, not for me, but because my girlfriend enjoys it. Why is it so hard to reciprocate?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 11:05 PM
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Get that shit outta your head man! It's stupid! I know, I was there. Enjoy the fuck out of it, get into it. When she tries to stop tell her to keep going (within reason, duh*)! Put yourself first sometimes. If you're anything like me, you try way to hard to please your woman and your needs go on the backburner. *This isn't for you, this is for the blue pills who would inevitably pounce and call me a rapist or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:59 PM
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We're actually still together, and it took quite a lot of talking about it and me putting my foot down to rectify the situation. I feel like her "50/50" attitude was a knee-jerk response that came from those ideas that feminism espouses, and once we talked about it and I was done feeling ashamed, she changed her tune. Which is just a bit more evidence of the magnitude of the feminist/gynocentric influence in my mind. It's super weird, I don't have a problem with ANY of those things, in fact most…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:55 PM
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Yeah, I mean, I understand expecting sex to be exactly like a porno is stupid, but there are elements which are easy to introduce, but lacking in many women. I must be quite unlucky since I've never been with one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:45 PM
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Really? God that's depressing. I feel like we must be talking about different kinds of porn here. I just want a girl who enjoys giving me head, instead of thinking of it like a chore or a quick "every once in a while" thing. None of that needs to come with any aggressiveness. There's at least one woman in this thread who says that's how she feels. I don't accept that what I'm asking for is unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:28 PM
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why was she insisting on 50/50? Exactly my question. And my theory is because our society tells us (especially women) that if the woman is doing something for their man without expecting anything in return, they're being oppressed, or treating their man like a child, or some other equally silly idea. Just look at this thread :P. That, at least IMO, is the reason she insisted on a 50/50 split, and felt like it was "unfair." I can't think of another reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:23 PM
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Same gf. Why, did I say otherwise in the OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:16 PM
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That's why I said "pressuring," as well. I know what the definition of coercion is. I didn't get the idea that asking for what I want was "pressuring" the girl from thin air, it came from somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:16 PM
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...and it wasn't feminism that made you make such huge mistakes in the first place. I wouldn't have made them without the influence of feminism. I got those ideas from somewhere...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:12 PM
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I must be unlucky, I've never found one :(
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:08 PM
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You should sign it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:07 PM
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Hey, thanks for the kind words. I guess this is a hot issue judging by all the downvotes in this thread. I definitely agree that many people just brush this shit off and don't think about it. I'm not sure why it affected my so much, but I just hated the idea of being seen as one of those douchebags who was selfish and "sexist" in bed. I didn't want to do anything to make a woman feel pressured, and (I forgot to mention this, and it's kinda important) a few of my earlier relationships took me mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 10:07 PM
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Lol, is that an original?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 09:58 PM
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If you expect frequent spontaneous blow jobs, then you should be going down on your girl just as frequently at the drop of a hat. See, why does everything need to be 100% mirrored. She doesn't derive the same amount of pleasure from me going down on her (without expecting anything in return) as I do from her going down on me (we've talked about it). I was already doing the things that she wanted during sex. It was already biased in her favor. But it still needs to be 100% "equal" doesn't it...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 09:54 PM
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Did she want certain sexual acts and you didn't want to provide them or never did so? No, I've always been too generous and giving in bed. I made the effort to find out what my partner liked and do that as often as often as possible. NSA head had never been on the list, that is until I bring it up, and then they decide things need to be "fair." Except me asking for a blowjob every once in a while was making it fair. It was already unfair, biased in her direction. If she feels like during sex "it…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 09:45 PM
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Smoked weed, never been much of a drinker. But that definitely wasn't the cause :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 06:41 PM
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Exactly! Because in reality, most women actually like that. But they've been told that it's shameful, and if the guy they're with thinks and talks about what he wants likes it's shameful, it reinforces that perception. If you're bold and unashamed, she finds it attractive. Paradoxical indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 06:39 PM
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Sure, I don't want my girlfriend to be aggressive at all. But after I've taken charge and lead things where I want them to go, I want some enthusiasm!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 06:35 PM
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Yeah yeah autistic blah blah blah. Isn't "coercion" part of the definition of rape nowadays? I thought feeling "pressured" has become enough of a reason to accuse someone of rape. Who wants that? Yeah, obviously I realize now that I need to be assertive and make myself clear, but it wasn't Feminism that made me realize that...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 06:33 PM
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Yep. Furthermore it's a certain subsection of male sexuality (albeit a large majority). It's perfectly fine, and encouraged, for a guy to say he wants a dominant woman, or that he loves foreplay, or that he doesn't want to make a woman feel submissive. But if that is what you want, god help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 06:29 PM
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I don't get it. Is it really so much to ask for some enthusiasm?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 06:25 PM
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Oh I'm not having the issue anymore. I should have clarified that a little more clearly. Being aware and unashamed of what I want fixed it. Nobody is forcing you to stay with her. Not actually forcing me. But shame is a powerful motivator. Back when I was in this situation, and still plugged in, all I could think about was: "Why did you guys break up, you were together for 3 years?" "Well, the sex was just lame and she wasn't enthusiastic." "Wow, men are so shallow. Why do you think you're entit…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 06:24 PM
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I believe it, although I wasn't on anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 06:06 PM
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Ok sure, a lot of porn is completely unrealistic. But I think what most guys are going to it for is the enthusiasm and open-mindedness of the women, not so much every specific action. It's the attitude, not the acts. For example: Men don't want a girl to be grossed out and complain about blowjobs or his cum, they want someone who's enthusiastic about it and enjoys fulfilling his fantasy. If that's an unrealistic expectation then this is a sad little world. I mean, I understand that many women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 06:03 PM
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I should have phrased it differently. I meant the problem is not being caused by porn, but by her not being enthusiastic or open enough. A guy can and probably will still do both.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:54 PM
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Huh. See I've heard this as well, and my take on it is: He's watching porn because his girlfriend isn't providing what he needs, but he can get it on demand on the internet. If a girl was putting the effort in to find out and do what he likes enthusiastically, every guy would rather be with her than watch porn. But instead of realizing this, it's "porn gives men such unrealistic expectations!"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:48 PM
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Its a bit much to blame feminism for your problem though. Is it? It's not like this was a goal of feminism, simply an unintended side effect. Try communicating more honestly with your partner(s) about your desires and it won't be so stressful. Obviously, this is essential, but it wasn't possible when I believed that what I wanted made me a sexist monster...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:43 PM
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I am questioning the emotional investment TRP folks seem to have in this poorly written article. Jesus it's about the ideas not this specific actual article...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:40 PM
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For sure. For me it was happening more often than not, so it was a real problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:38 PM
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True. But I do read about many young men who have the issue, which is more what I was talking about I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:36 PM
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Don't get me wrong but my ex had this problem sometimes and it's not like we weren't open-minded in bed. Well, that's what I thought my relationship was like. Was he getting blowjobs all the time? Were you putting on lingerie for him regularly, without being asked? Did you try to make everything 50/50 tit for tat, or did you do those things for him without expecting him to do it for you? I didn't mean it like she was a total starfish with no interest or open-ness regarding sex, just that it wasn…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 05:35 PM
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They can make their own fucking grilled cheese sandwich? Sounds like a wonderful, caring, and healthy relationship... /s
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 02:03 PM
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Eh, God, Dark Lord Abaddon, Flying Spaghetti Monster. Whatever works!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/15 02:00 PM
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No. What is your obsession with peer reviewed studies. You should have figured this stuff out on your own. Are you Autistic? Most normal people don't need guides some study to tell them this stuff... /s
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 07:19 PM
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That would depend on what someone considers "fair", which itself depends on one's worldview and expectations. Exactly. The average woman (and plugged in man)'s idea of "fair" in this day and age is heavily biased in favor of the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 07:14 PM
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the average female is not an attacker. Perhaps not physically, but emotionally? Psychologically? Much more common, enough to be at least be aware of/prepared for.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 07:06 PM
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Top 5: Young, in good shape. Enjoys athletic activities. Sexually open-minded, enjoys being submissive, isn't threatened by me being attracted to other women. Ideally she would be bi so we could enjoy them together. Smart, able to keep up with me in conversation, and has the critical thinking skills to see through all the feminist bullshit. Doesn't feel the need to be challenging, or have everything be "equal" at all times. Enjoys cooking and cleaning, and as ˆ above doesn't feel the need to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 05:17 PM
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man who could easily have sex with random women all through his 20s and 30s but isn't interested in that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/15 03:08 PM
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That is new. I had a guy go on a three minute diatribe about how he was going to fuck me in the ass. Dunno what was going on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 06:36 PM
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Yup. Oh man, how often this happens to me. The PM about the "fat slut" was the equivalent to being called a fag or a bag of dicks or whatever you kids call each other nowadays Also, how bad he railed my mom last night...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 05:44 PM
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So are you and most TRPers. I don't think you should be comfortable making claims you know are based in anecdotes. I think that's an unhealthy and unnecessary habit to get into. So if I talk to 1000 men, and 950 of them agree with me/each other, I can't extrapolate anything from that? I really don't like this "nothing is knowable" approach that BP seems to have. For me what was unhealthy was brushing off every instance of women taking advantage, disrespecting me, or becoming controlling as an ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 05:32 PM
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Not being 100% equals does not mean I became a brainless zombie Stepford Wife or a battered wife. I think this is the fear our women have of this model. This fear is so palpable that we have a whole genre of Lifetime movies that feed into this victimhood idea---this idea that if you allow your husband to be the leader that you will utterly and completely brutalized. Great post, especially this! I've tried to articulate the same idea before around here, but never quite so eloquently.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 01:41 PM
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First of all, I think it would be a pretty accurate claim for me to make that you haven't met or spoken to most men. And even if, for some amazing reason, you had, there's no scientific research being conducted here to say that you can draw any objective conclusions about this. You're making claims about "most men" based on person anecdotes, which is essentially my biggest beef with TRP. I mean, of course I haven't spoken face to face with all or most men, but I have spoken to plenty of them, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 01:25 PM
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Promiscuity in males is often seen as him being low value in terms of being a possible relationship candidate, a 'lowlife' womanizer, emotionally bereft and without the ability to form relationships with women. Thank feminism for that :P
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 01:49 AM
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I really don't know if that's true. Maybe the vast majority of TRPers, but all men? It's almost definitely all TRPers, and most men. I'm not so sure how popular an attitude that is in modern, Western culture. I think that plenty of guys aren't interested in dating someone that dependent or that submissive, that they even accept having their wardrobe picked out for them. I don't think dependent is really part of it. I don't want to run my girlfriend's life, but when we do things together, I'd rat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/15 01:22 AM
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I just know that there are men who are less demanding in terms of what they want (not so many specific things---meaning, ways you want her to "serve" you or clothes you want her to wear). I don't think this supports your general conclusions about men, just men like you. There are men who feel uncomfortable expressing those wants, sure, but the vast majority have them. It's just the societal attitude of "men telling their women what to wear or do is is awful and sexist," that keeps them from sayi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 11:38 PM
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Lol, got me there.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 09:40 PM
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LOL if that's your definition then good luck finding a "good" guy. I mean yeah they're out there but I've never met one. People are delusional. Yeah, I know. I've yet to meet a dude who doesn't watch porn. Sadly, I've also yet to meet a woman who doesn't have a problem with it (except on the internet :P), which is weird because I'm from an incredibly liberal place...Best luck ever. The only time porn is a problem is when it interferes with my relationship. As long as I still get mine, you do you…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 02:40 PM
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I think I like this this explanation, that men don't tend to separate the mental and the physical aspects of intimacy. It makes sense that they could be intertwined. And since I see them as separate, I have a hard time understanding. Definitely could be an explanation. I mean, I spent years (with a few different girls, all LTR) getting at least semi-regular vanilla sex, and was still extremely sexually frustrated because I was denying/ignoring some psychological desires that are apparently key t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 04:29 AM
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I totally get the psychological desire for love and human connection but that doesn't explain guys who are desperate to get laid and would be satisfied by a ONS. Well, there's obviously also other psychological aspects to sex, like dominance/submission, that can't really be sated through masturbation alone. This could be part of it, and could be fulfilled through an ONS. Also, I said physiological in my first comment, just to clarify. If you understood that and were just bringing up the psycholo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 03:57 AM
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We're getting into the realm of TMI here but when I'm not in an LTR I get off about once a day (frequently with multiple orgasms). I never experienced true thirst because I stopped to take a sip every friggin day. This totally is TMI, but do you use a toy or some kind of "analog"? I ask because I feel slightly different than /u/PrimePussyOverRancid. To me there is absolutely no comparison between jerking off (with your hand) and actually getting a blowjob/having sex. Actual sex is like, lightyea…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 03:00 AM
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Also I'm sure some are too young to even consider that, or are so broke that the amount of money required is out of the question...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 02:44 AM
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I've seen women everywhere, even in this very sub, say that they don't mind if they guy isn't that attractive as long as he has other specific qualities, or say that they weren't attracted to their partner until they had been with them for a few months, and then the attraction "grew." So, yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/15 02:32 AM
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Im almost completely sure that both of us are joking Almost... ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 10:30 PM
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Have you ever met anyone who acts like a monkey? Edit: For bonus points, do you understand why I'm asking this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 09:20 PM
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But really, is that any different from a social justice community with Marxist idiots and where people frequently write "#KillAllMen" and "male tears"? The funniest thing is that nowhere does TRP advocate violence or mass genocide of women, and yet they're ones everyone has a problem with. It's literally an example of the attitude that TRP is trying to point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 09:19 PM
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Survival rates indicate that the norm behavior is 'Every man for himself' rather than 'Women and Children First'. Yeah, I believe it. W/CF requires some semblance of order, and in true disaster situations that is rare. I'm not surprised that it becomes "every man for himself," and I'm also not surprised that men tend to survive more often in those situations, given that they are generally more physically capable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 08:54 PM
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Yeah, I'm definitely more red than blue. But there's a few things that I don't agree with or don't apply to me, so I thought I'd go with purple.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 05:01 PM
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For every support you find for your biotruths, there are a dozen more conflicting examples in nature. There is massive variation in sexual behavior among species. Now humans, with our clever brains and opposable thumbs, are even more complex. Lol no. You found the few examples that go against the grain. The vast majority of the animal kingdom operates on a male/dominant, female/submissive basis. I mean come on, angler fish, snakes and spiders? How about a few more creatures who are at least with…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/15 12:36 PM
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Lul, fair enough. Good day to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 04:14 PM
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So you volunteer to do chores that your partners don't like by yourself? You spend approximately equal amounts of time doing chores? Or are your chores "harder" or....what was it? Oh yeah, "more intellectually demanding", so they're done faster? What if I do the heavy lifting? Usually not something that takes as much time as cleaning. So obviously it's fair that I do the heavy lifting and take on half of whatever she's doing. What if I do the bills and finances. It may take only take me a few mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 04:01 PM
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Treat them as your equals and how you would like to be treated by them. Yeah, this is exactly what 90% of Redpillers did before finding the red pill. That was my go to. So I spent hours doing things that she would enjoy, because hey, I would love it someone did that for me. I expended an inordinate amount of effort trying to make her sexually satisfied, finding out the things she liked and doing them regularly. I made sure to never be controlling or jealous, because who wants a partner that's li…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 03:30 PM
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Because that's definitionally fair? It doesn't have to be exactly 50/50, since then you'd waste more time trying to perfectly measure everything than you'd save by collaborating. But you should aim for an even division of labor with your partner, and make sure you're at least in that ballpark. Exactly, petty power squabbles. Of course the division of labor has to be semi-even. I think you're picturing in your head a man who never ever lifts a finger and watches tv while she cooks and cleans ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/15 02:50 PM
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Eh, that's a whole big, derailing conversation I'd rather not have today if you don't mind. That's cool with me. I'd kind of like to have grown up where you did, tbh. A bit too preachy (as cultural majorities tend to be), but they still seem like much more "my people" than they apparently were yours. Would you have been one of the people giving me shit? :P Did you offer to take on another chore in exchange? Like "You like cleaning and I don't, so how about you do the cleaning, and I take care of…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 08:38 PM
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Might vary by part of the country? I did a lot of my growing up in the South, and...man. Our school's football team was the pride and joy of the school administration. The classrooms got new computers or textbooks or whatever, only after the sports teams got new uniforms and with the money left over. We had pep rallies for "our" teams every month it felt like, and though attendance wasn't technically mandatory, the alternative was to stay in class and do busywork. And so on and so forth. Absolut…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 07:06 PM
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Yeah, I feel like the complete rejection of anything resembling submission is more conscious, and the result of lots of years of feminism telling them that it's the worst thing they could ever do, and the discontent of being in the dominant role is more subconscious. It seems to be quite an internal struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 04:02 PM
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Good stuff! I'm not an MRA ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 03:55 PM
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Traditional gender roles are like that. I, as a man, am expected to love grilling, love beer, love cars, love sports. And maybe I do happen to enjoy some of those things sometimes. But, because people have been pushing that at me my whole life as things I have to enjoy, it taints those things for me. Does it not do that for you? It's so weird that you guys feel this way. My experience is completely different. It's more like: I, as a modern man, am expected to love being emotional, love talking a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 03:54 PM
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Oh man, it's just hilarious that that's what feminists/women have to complain about these days. Is any more evidence needed that feminism has gotten what it wanted, and more, in the west?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 03:28 PM
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"Objectifying" just means appreciating their physical beauty. I'm so sorry you have to deal with that. The "Harassment" is just smack talk that doesn't affect you in the slightest. Grow a pair. Oh, and men get it just as often and as harshly, if not worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 03:15 PM
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Everything you described is not manly, a lot of it boarders on harassment. Yeah, actually it is masculine. This is what I'm talking about. You're actually proving yourself wrong in real time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 02:41 PM
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I'm sure some of them have that opinion, yes. As I said above, I don't browse there often. I like debating here. But my OP comment is how I interpreted it when I first found TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 02:38 PM
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I wasn't even talking about TRP. Feminism just has an issue with men being men. If they didn't, asinine concepts like "objectification" and "male gaze" wouldn't exist... They wouldn't have an issue with a man wearing a shirt with sexy cartoon ladies on it to celebrate landing a probe on a fucking comet... Men joking around and being crude would be perfectly acceptable to them... They wouldn't be offended by competitive shit-talk that men take part in (like in gaming)... etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 02:37 PM
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Do you think it's conscious or subconscious? I personally think a lot of women have been told they should be the lead, so they insist on taking that role, but subconsciously they don't enjoy it and resent the situation and the man they're with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 02:00 PM
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Yep, more red than blue though. A little fem-sub is always good IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 01:27 PM
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so please don't take this crap article as, "feminists hate masculinity" Perhaps not wholly and 100%. I do think that a large majority dislike men being masculine. It's all good when a woman wants to be more assertive, or a guy wants to be emotional, but what about the guy that wants to be assertive? IME he's shamed as some sort of vestige of the Patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 01:23 PM
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Oh. Well if you want me to understand you'll have to walk me through it, I don't browse or follow TRP much. I just like debating here. Edit: What exactly does he say on the subject? Does he disagree with the idea that men don't like being led? Or with the idea that women don't really "need" male leadership, it just works out best that way within a romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 01:12 PM
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Dr. Who character according to google? I don't know who he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 01:09 PM
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I upvoted you. It was for the BDSM.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 01:09 PM
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First of all, I think TRP is talking about "within a romantic relationship," not "in all aspects of life." Personally, I think it has less to do with "why women should be led" and more to do with with the fact that most men don't like not being the lead. It's not that women need a man to look after them at all times, obviously. It's that female-led relationships are rarely enjoyable and satisfying for the man. TRP is, after all, a male sexual strategy, so I've always interpreted this statement a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 01:08 PM
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Is the western world feminized? More so than "masculinized" or whatever the opposite is. What does that mean and what does it look like Stuff like (specifically): Getting worked up over a shirt when the guy just landed a probe on a fucking comet. Moronic. Turning "issues" that both genders face into "women's issues," like internet/online gaming "harassment." All the body positivity stuff (only for women though) that is meant to shame men into feeling guilty and shallow for being attracted to wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 03:37 AM
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I won't say it's impossible, but that's how my relationship (supposedly) started out. She "loved" that we got to spend so much time together, and that I wasn't off working and busy all the time. Fast forward a few years and it was a whole different story. Again, not saying it's impossible, but I believe there are few men who are truly satisfied in that position, and similarly few women who will actually give her man the respect and appreciation he deserves if he does take up that role. On the ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/15 02:30 AM
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Also, he might not have thought there was any reason for me to be hurt by his actions, since nothing apparently happened and he didn't do anything wrong. He might have thought there was a potential for miscommunication, or for me to develop an unnecessary grudge against Ruth, and this is the reason he didn't proactively complain to me about the drinking and cosplay stuff? I think it's good that you're aware of these possibilities. I've been in almost the exact same situation where I ended up han…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 08:07 PM
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I've never seen that on TRP. Course I browsed there for about an hour and got all the information I needed, so I'm not saying it never happened. But the message I got was "get in shape" not "shoot up."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 03:49 PM
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The guy who, when you first meet him, you're absolutely sure he's gay, just by how he talks/sounds, the way he holds himself, etc. (but he's actually straight). I've met quite a few, but never saw them having any kind of success with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 03:47 PM
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This whole thread is just great, I need some popcorn.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 03:27 PM
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Who said anyone's trying to be a bodybuilder? I agree with you, women usually say that they think bodybuilders look gross, but unless you're actually trying to be a bodybuilder, you're not gonna just accidentally end up there. I'll bet the average guy taking the "Lift" advice has very little muscle mass, and would have a hard time getting to the "bodybuilder" body.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 02:48 PM
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Lol, this: who don't fit the '6'2", ripped, personal trainer guy.' stereotype who are always getting girls. =/= effeminate/non-masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 02:45 PM
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If you want another example look at video games or comic books. Only women complain about the way female characters are depicted. Batman is taller, smarter, and wealthier than most men will ever be. But for men he is an inspiration; he represents how far man can take himself. Whilst wonder women is sexist. Oh man, great point. I've always laughed at the double standard these idiots have when it comes to character design in comic books/games/movies. Somehow a sexy well proportioned female body is…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/15 02:59 AM
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It seems to me like doubling the potential work force cut the minimum (even average) wage in half. Personally I'd rather have higher wages and much more of an abundance of jobs over wages too low to live on and a completely over saturated job market...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 01:25 PM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 01:18 PM
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I think you could use a class in basic logic. Sounds like you're riding in the back seat if you can't rationally look at your experiences and analyze them as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 12:42 PM
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Interesting. It sounds like you know my experiences better than I do. Perhaps I just shouldn't participate anymore, if you already know my life better than me. Seriously? What you're saying is that I've just somehow "forgotten" about all the good experiences I've had with women because...why? Because I wish RP to be true? Huh? You don't have to filter out the good experiences with women to confirm, you just have to focus on the bad ones only, specifically, the bad ones that confirm your hypothes…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 12:34 PM
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Uh huh. Because somehow I filtered out all the good experiences I had when I was intimate with women? Were they wiped from my mind? Because I'm pretty sure I remember each and every romantic relationship I've had, and all of them have conformed to parts of RP that are useful/apply to me. But that's cool, if you want to wave it away as "confirmation bias" go ahead. Edit: And this: If I decided today that "all men are bad drivers", I could readily come up with isolated instances of this in everyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/15 03:01 AM
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So does confirmation bias work retroactively? Because like I said, I didn't have any preconceptions when I was actively dating. I've only found RP while in the relationship I'm still in. Doesn't confirmation bias only apply when you have the preconceived notions to begin with and then use it to explain new information that comes to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 11:52 PM
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Almost no one? Sorry but every woman I've been intimate with has fit the description. And to curb the useless rebuttal, I was already in a relationship when I found TRP, and still am, so the old "your tactics are causing you to only see one type of woman" shit isn't gonna fly. If anything, I've used decidedly BP "tactics" whenever I've been single.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/15 10:10 PM
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Absolutely agree. I'm not expecting something for nothing. I wouldn't expect any woman to be that way if the guy she's with isn't reciprocating. The only caveat I would add is that in my experience, there are far more selfish women than selfish men, which makes sense when you think about our culture (western).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/15 01:12 AM
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All I've said is expecting a relationship to maintain a porn based sex life is as realistic as being James Bond. Why? I mean, the things that are appealing to most men are: Enthusiasm: The women are enjoying themselves, even when they're focusing on getting the guy off. Open/Willingness: The women aren't prudes about sex. They don't complain about cum getting on them, or how gross it tastes. They don't get upset about the guy wanting a blowjob. Some of them are into anal. Etc. Certainly there ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 03:05 PM
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So she can't do a single thing that's not about her? She can't just do this for him? Because the him in most of these scenarios is a guy who had done exactly that (doing something specifically for her so she's happy), and she hadn't reciprocated at all. I think it's perfectly fair for her provide whatever type of sex he wants, and put her wants on the back burner for a second.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 01:37 PM
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As for your points on porn. Well a lot of things are attractive to men. Being a fighter pilot, being James Bond or playing Wembley Stadium, they aren't attenable for most men, hell they aren't attainable long term for any men and maybe it's time to accept that porn is merely a fantasy. Sure, those things are hard/impossible to achieve for the average joe, but having satisfying sex? If the girl just puts some fucking effort in that's all it takes, and you're saying "maybe just give up on experien…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 01:13 PM
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Hit the nail on the head. I can't believe the hamstering that's going on in here. Everything you said rings true from the beginning of my current relationship. Ladies, maybe instead of arguing/sticking your fingers in your ears you should take notes. Lie 1: I love you so I think you look beautiful Yep, you're not allowed to have preferences anymore, because it's sexist to care about a woman's appearance! Even when you're spending some time every day working out to look good for her... Another ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/15 01:10 PM
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I think RPs position is that women employ dread by default, but that doesn't mean it produces the same results as when men do it. Females and preselection, men don't care about/are used to the competition, etc. Also, IMO, dread is just used to equalize the amount of effort/respect is put into the relationship. It's when the guy is treating her like a princess, doting on her, treating her well, etc., and in return the woman is walking all over him, withholding/putting no effort into sex, disrespe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/15 11:24 PM
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I wonder this a lot. I was thinking about making a "common BP misconceptions/fallacies that should never be repeated again" and this is a major one. I'm Purple, not even red, and I've never been with a popular/cheerleader/sorority/party girl, but RP still applies to every romantic relationship or interaction that I've had with women. Oh and I've been in a relationship since I found TRP, never used/thought about/knew about TRP principles when I was looking for someone. Every relationship I've bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 12:21 AM
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I'm confused, can you clarify what you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/15 08:06 PM
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If you remember my post of yesterday - may grandfather was such a guy (despite the shit my granny pulled), and see where it got him. Holy shit my grandpa to...My grandma treats him like shit, and has for at least two decades. If anything has inspired me to never ever allow myself to stay in a BP relationship, it's them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 02:09 PM
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Men certainly have the potential to be just as awful. It's just that they don't, at least not in the same volume as women. Probably because men get called out on their shit. This is the whole reason stuff like TRP exists, because there is a disproportionate amount of women "being awful" and getting away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 01:57 PM
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Loving wild sex can still be me on top. Right. But the difference is there's none of this "bruising his dick" and "wants to stick something in his butt" stuff. What I should have said originally was that if she wants to be known as a girl who "loves wild sex," and considers that something that increases her value to prospective men, she should get comfortable with the man being in control/dominant. That will actually increase her value to a large number of men, whereas this femdom example will b…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 01:08 PM
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Well yeah, I didn't mean it as the only definition of wild sex. But her femdom example is also not synonymous with "loving wild sex."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 05:02 AM
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Well, in my experience the average guy doesn't have any aggression issues, while the average girl definitely has entitlement issues. Perhaps it's the imbalance that's at fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 12:56 AM
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It depends on her motivation. If she is doing all of this self-improvement for the benefit of our relationship (which, in fairness, seems to be the default goal for most TRP guys who are in relationships or married), then I would be happy. I would love to see her getting more fit, more sexual, and more attractive. I would love to have her try and 'placate' my base nature by what I can only assume would be things that other females in her online collective have discovered make most men happy--pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/15 12:36 AM
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(Of course, the downside is what she's writing about him online and the childish, bitter forum she visits and all the weird men-are-inferior evo-science she now believes in. Also, she's not as emotionally-available as he would like. Oh well.) Oh and she's an abrasive twat. The only thing that you listed that men actually would enjoy and respond to is her "loving wild sex," which wasn't actually what was said in the OP. Her wanting to some sort of weird femdom power thing is not her "loving wild …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 11:37 PM
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Well, it sounds like you and many other TRPers have been raised in a climate that tells you that women are fault-ridden while men are blameless bastions of goodness, as if a particular flaw can dog 50% of the world population and not touch the other. I guess we are indeed at an impasse. Hopefully, this is sarcasm. If not, you need to do some more reading, because the truth is quite the opposite. Most of us were raised in a climate where men are seen as fault-ridden evil oppressors (and also gros…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 07:34 PM
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In my experience, women are no more prone to these things than men. All of the stuff TR accuses women of aren't flaws in women but flaws in humans. Whelp, I guess we're at an impasse because in my experience they are more common in women than men. It makes sense, considering the climate girls and boys have been raised in for the last few decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 06:13 PM
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Right, but the point is kind of that it isn't true. The same way that things like 'women aren't capable of empathy' aren't true. Well, in my experience, women have never empathized with my male troubles/issues (which is what RP actually says). Same with AWALT, and stuff like hamstering and shit-tests. So, IME, RP is generally on point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 05:46 PM
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If those things were true, yeah. If it said something like "men have a one track mind, don't expect him to pay attention if you talk to him while he's in the middle of something," etc, I'm totally on board with that. But again, she just reversed the genders and didn't change anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 05:22 PM
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She'd get her ass dumped, because few to none of those things are actually attractive to men. As others have said, hetero men aren't generally attracted to masculine traits like being "assertive and aggressive." If she used a guide that actually had anything to do with reality? I'd be like fuck yeah! Because it would recommend being more feminine, less "challenging," not nagging, not being a prude/lazy about sex, being respectful and sweet, being comfortable with him being in control etc. And th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 04:59 PM
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Fair enough, I was merely expanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/15 02:09 AM
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For example it's been proven that men are more likely to enjoy receiving anal penetration than woman. Biotroof. I'm sure you'll agree, but the physical sensation is hardly the most important aspect of sex. Psychologically being penetrated is much different than penetrating. What I don't get is why BP folks always say that you have to be willing to have everything you want to do, done to you. Sorry, no need for me to suck a dick as some sort of proof that I love my girlfriend and blowjobs (or wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/15 04:05 PM
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Absolutely. The average (intelligent) guy doesn't think he has a shot in hell having multiple women. Sorry Taibo, your thinly veiled attempt to call RP unintelligent (for wanting lots of pussy) has fallen flat.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/15 01:24 PM
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Alternative and more realistic explanation: They subscribe to monogamy because it still beats celibacy. It's easy to say that you're faithful and only want one partner if you aren't drowning in temptations in the first place. Nailed it. I'll bet my left nut that 90% of the subjects would have no qualms having multiple women, if they were given the opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/15 12:55 PM
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cops stopped them over man spreading, "ran them" and arrested them on their warrants You say that like it's perfectly acceptable...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/15 12:36 PM
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As far as wanting the best for my partner - that's a no-brainer. I think some RPW like to act as though other women who don't subscribe to RP beliefs don't give a shit about their partners' needs, and are all 'me me me', which just isn't the case. It absolutely is the case. Why do you think RP even exists? If this stuff was the baseline behavior that even most women followed, then RP would be completely pointless. As it is, the average woman today is far more selfish, entitled, and manipulative …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/15 02:16 PM
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The screeching harpy trope is true of some but not exactly standard practice. It actually is, completely standard. Reminds me of my grandma and grandpa....poor guy. Yeah, as other have said, the reason RP desires those things is precisely because the screeching harpy is so common, and women are encouraged to be "independent" and "challenging" which, in reality, almost always means confrontational, controlling, and unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/15 01:20 PM
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How "often" do you mean? What are the women like who make that statement relative to ones who don't, in your opinion? Surely every woman you've known doesn't say that. I never said that every woman says shit like that, but you also can't really argue that injury to male genitalia is taboo or something. I have no doubt that someone has done this at some point in the history of humanity, but it's a question of how common it is. It's much, much more common than a gender-swapped version, and IMO dou…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 11:16 PM
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And for what it's worth, as an anecdote probably not much, I've never in my life heard a woman even in jest talk about wanting to cut a guy's cock off. Really? I've heard it often as a go to way of "punishing" a man. Here's some women laughing about it on some talk show (and barely getting through an apology after being called out).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/15 10:29 PM
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I think this is why TRP is 95% an American phenomenon, because a lot of families are hardcore Protestants there or even when atheists they still hold on to this old fashioned values like female chastity. Could be. But then again probably not. I'm from an extremely liberal, feminist friendly "progressive" place in the U.S. I was raised completely non-religious, and my parents are still together (since some people like to say that anyone who agrees with RP must be from a broken home with a single …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/15 01:15 PM
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Man you are all over the place. Now MRA's are a hate group?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 10:12 PM
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It's just common sense. Think about it... If there were really some kind of "comeuppance" the world and the way you feel would be completely different. That's the whole reason so many men have so much hatred and spite towards women... Because you know deep down that there is no revenge, no comeuppance, no redemption. It just is what it is. Your sperm will be rotten soon (once you're pushing 40), so you'd better hurry up. It's because they're jealous and they wish they were in their 20s again. bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/15 01:33 AM
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Chittering Monkey. In the spring he climbs treetops, and thinks himself tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 11:38 PM
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Men's power is usually very obvious, women's is usually covert, that's why "there's no power struggle in our relationship" is "the woman is in charge, he doesn't know it, she doesn't want to think about it". Nailed it! I wonder how many BP guys (and girls actually) say that they have an "egalitarian" relationship, but in reality their relationship is an example of "the woman is in charge." I've been there, thought it was all equal and fair, and then boom, reality hits. It took me 4-5 years so I …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/15 12:59 PM
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My thoughts exactly. You can't credit TRP for advice you could get just about anywhere. I've said it before and i say it again now: if you work out, dress better, and approach more women you will see your success rate go up. Why is this so difficult? This stuff is secondary to the main point of TRP. There may be one or two members who didn't understand that they needed to work out or be confident, but everyone else did. The useful information is the "don't be a doormat," "stand up for yourself,"…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/15 12:52 PM
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Yeah, so what's the purpose of this again? Like, if you wanted to do it right, your points should be based in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 09:41 PM
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Really, because I'd say anywhere between 90% and 98% are caused by, well, being drunk. Duh. Emotional outbursts are women's bread and butter.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 09:27 PM
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I'd be fine with it, as long as it was based on some truth. A lot of these sound like you just took what RP says about women and changed it to men. Like, the first one is supposed to be evidence of men being more emotional? Because it literally sounds like you're describing women, and throwing in a line about bar fights to try to disguise it (how many bar fights do you think are actually caused by an emotional outburst?). Women are the ones who are far more likely to lose control and throw a tem…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/15 01:03 PM
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Heh, volvos.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/15 11:19 PM
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Yeah, I have. By men and women. It's flattering. I'm also not a big dude, so I have to worry about the same shit that women do when I'm out and about. Next!!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 03:09 PM
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Most people don't get, and don't expect, other people to nurture and protect their fragile egos. Women, non-white guys, non-straight guys, etc... Lol, really? Because as far as I've seen, what you've described is like, women's MO. If you're telling the truth why is catcalling, for instance, a thing that feminists even fight? I get bothered walking down the street all the time, that's just life sweetheart. But no, feminists are all whining about their "fee-fee's" when someone whistles at them on …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/15 02:41 PM
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I actually made a thread about this, and most of the people at TRP seem to have come to their conclusions after many (not one) failed relationships that followed the same patterns, many interactions with women (not just that one chick), as well as lots of research in places like /r/deadbedrooms, /r/relationships, etc. I'm not even full RP, but that's what it's taken for me to believe some of this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 05:32 PM
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Men and women are just as fickle and awful as each other. Men "trade up" for higher SMV women too (i.e. divorce the old wife and shack up with the hot young girl) - its just legally harder for them to do it without sustaining financial penalties (alimony etc.). IMO Women are more likely to be this way. I won't argue that men can be this way too, but I do believe that it's more prevalent in women, and that in general men's "conditions" are easier to fulfill.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 05:21 PM
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And btw, a lot of feminists do have a problem with the prison system, especially the overrepresention of minorities, and are members of human rights organizations that seek to rectify the problem. Lol this is why I just can't take it seriously. Feminists have a problem with the overrepresentation of minorities in prisons! Never mind the fact that probably 90% of the inmates are male, that doesn't matter!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 01:02 PM
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Fellas, it may not happen right away, but the countdown has begun." Hit the nail on the head.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/15 12:51 PM
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And anyway as a woman reading your* comments, that's how I interpret it. "The penis has cooties." Reading the comment I just wrote or reading RP comments in general? It makes male sexuality into this deviant thing that comes and sulliies. Hence we have to "protect women and children from these men." Well, it's just kind of funny that it's such a big deal to everyone, considering the gender swapped version is business as usual for women. Or would you be ok with your partner fucking some porn star…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 02:45 PM
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Lol bullshit. "A man who prefers no pubic hair is probably that way because he's a pedo." "Men who prefer a fit woman are shallow and sexist." "Putting his dick in your mouth is demeaning/disgusting/unnecessary." "You want a blowjob that lasts more than 5 minutes? Porn has given men such unrealistic expectations!" "You want to try anal/a three way/etc? Pervert!" "You're into girl on girl? Ugh why are men so disgusting." This is what shaming male sexuality looks like, IME, and I've never seen any…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/15 12:52 PM
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I'm sorry, but if my girlfriend won't do things that I have requested, but did those things willingly for an ex, that means she doesn't respect me enough to make my desires a priority (and she did for her ex). In all likelihood, what a girl is and isn't willing to do with her boyfriend has NOTHING to do with some value judgement about the boyfriend's worth or "alphaness," and everything to do with the girl's own sexual preferences. This attitude bugs the shit out of me. Of course their sex life …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/15 01:21 PM
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Ha, what the other guy said. Smooth skin > hair every time IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/15 02:37 PM
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My gf has literally admitted to shit-testing me. "Sometimes I just test you, and I don't know why," were her words. (She doesn't know anything about "shit-tests" or RP.)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/15 11:22 PM
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It's AWALT because, where I'm from at least, women are much more likely to act "like that."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/15 12:32 PM
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I think you're absolutely right. In my opinion women can definitely increase their "SMV" by developing certain skills and personality traits. I don't quite think that RP says women have absolutely no control over that, just that it's more difficult. I'm not one for casual sex, but I could see how people might look for partners based almost entirely on looks in this case. But surely, for LTRs there must be more to a woman's SMV than looks? Twerps can't honestly argue that, and certainly don't act…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 10:21 PM
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Would not responding and then getting mad when we repeat ourselves be the male alternative? For me it's a bit different. What tends to happen is she will decide to talk to me when I'm right in the middle of something that usually takes all/most of my attention. It's like: Me: In the middle of watching/reading/playing/drawing something/enjoying some relaxation time after finishing something. Her: "Hey could you go do xyz?" Me: Totally engrossed "..." Her: Repeats Louder Me: Still mostly engrossed…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 09:50 PM
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Apart from that, it also doesn't compute with their just world-fallacy - if you are romantically unsuccessful, you must somehow deserve it. Well put. I see this all too often from BP/Feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/15 03:24 AM
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Yeah, as u/fiat said, I think RP's point is about how women love betas, and how it's different from how they love alphas.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/15 01:08 AM
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I'm thinking you are suffering from a serious case of confirmation bias. Are some women childish? Sure. Are some men childish? Yep. Most women and men are not however. The red pill loves to cherry pick stories of women acting terribly and try to present it as AWALT but really, its just their using confirmation bias. Not really. I mean obviously not every single woman is exactly like that, but with the influence of Feminism the fact is that far more women than men act that way. That's the reason …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/15 01:03 PM
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Agreed. I mean, of course there has to be exceptions, but I've just haven't met them yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 01:09 PM
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Yep. But apparently I'm a misogynist if I don't first let the tiger come out and pounce on me. Only when its started eating you are you allowed to call it a tiger!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 01:06 PM
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Ok I guess my life experiences never happened. And those larger numbers of men are lying. Obviously that's the only solution, because women are perfect and it can't be their fault!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 01:03 PM
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Plenty of women can and have jumped to a bunch of conclusions about men after dating a few: they're immature, they're lazy, they're perverts, they're egotistical, they're slobs, etc. This is no more rational than what TRP does. Lol one of the main purposes of this post was to dissuade the notion that "I've only dated a few bad women" and yet you repeat it again? Next. I've also lived with my friends for long periods of time. Even when we spent two weeks together every day all day there wasn't a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 01:01 PM
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Good stuff, thanks. That's obviously what's going on!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 12:45 PM
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Yep, exactly. I never started out believing AWALT, and even after I read about it I didn't want to believe it. But after getting the short end of the stick every time you have to start questioning things...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 02:27 AM
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Science doesn't "refute" my life experience, or the experiences of other people. And as I said, I've only been "red" for a short time, not long enough for me to even try to use it while looking for a girl. I had those experiences when I was blue as can be, and I believed that every woman was a special snowflake and that all stereotypes about women were sexist garbage. But somehow, without the prejudice, I was still suffering from prejudice?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 02:25 AM
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Yes, well said.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 02:18 AM
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Cool, I'm down with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 02:17 AM
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I would agree, if I had only had one or two bad experiences with women, and many other men didn't back up my many bad experiences with their own bad experiences. But that's not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 02:13 AM
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Also, and I really don't want to be mean, but you know the adage "if you meet an asshole one time, then you met an asshole, if you meet an asshole everywhere, then you're the asshole" might be true here too. If you're not the kind to hang around dramatic women, then you might not end up with quite so much drama. I'm not saying that that's DEFINITELY the case! But I think it's something you could look into, improve yourself, improve your company. I anticipated this response. Obviously I'm going t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 02:12 AM
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You believe that every woman acts like that ? I mean, I admit I know a lot of women who overreact and create drama , but come on... No, obviously not. Perhaps I could have made it clearer, but one of my caveats about AWALT is that I believe it within romantic relationships, not necessarily every day life or interactions with random people. And obviously not all the time, but I know that she's gonna be acting that way more often than I am, for instance. This has been explained many times, but obv…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/15 01:53 AM
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So it's tit-for-tat now? Really... I'm just pointing it out. Perhaps one leads to the other... Can you please give me some examples of what things women desire sexually that are considered "right" and what things men desire that are considered "wrong"? I'm not being sarcastic or leading and I don't have some answer. I'm genuinely curious. The obvious example that comes to mind is; women are generally much more interested in foreplay than men, and so it is drilled into men that they're a selfish …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 11:57 PM
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I wasn't speaking in terms of looks.... I don't undestand, elaborate? Ah yes, "feminism".... it's funny though, are claims of "unrealistic expectations" really unfounded? More and more guys are pushing, no, demanding women engage in behaviors they do not find pleasurable or appealing, such as anal or threesomes. And not just once or twice, but making it a regular thing. Moreover, they're making their partners feel broken, undesirable or even selfish for not wishing to participate. Like men have …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 09:31 PM
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You're probably right. And thank god you didn't use the tired "it's giving men unrealistic expectations!" schtick. Never mind, you did. sigh The ready availability of quick sexual gratification has become all too easy to turn down and putting in any real effort into make themselves more attractive to the opposite sex suddenly seems like "too much work". Setting the many faults of modern women aside, you really do seem to have a large number of men who either don't see attracting or seducing "rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/15 01:10 PM
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Fuck yeah! Thanks. His name is Lu, he's the shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 01:53 PM
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Does that mean bringing other people women in? I wouldn't be up for that either. Ideally, yes. That's something I've always been interested in. But, I'm aware of how much that's asking and I'm willing to give it up. If I were to forget about that, I would want everything else I'm interested in doing (with one person) to be enthusiastically fulfilled as often as I care to partake. I don't think that's too much to ask. My guy is never dominant over me (disregarding anything that happens at times i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/15 01:51 PM
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She naturally cleaner than me. This creates friction. I only ever clean until "I'm satisfied that's clean enough". If she wants it more clean, she can finish the job... Oh man, this rings true for me! lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 02:08 PM
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I'll bite and give you the first semi-negative description. Recently turned Red Edit: should say reddish not completely red We've been together for almost 5 years. Things aren't great. We're in an extremely rough patch at the moment. She can be very emotional, and her mood affects everything. If something happens, even if it has nothing to do with me, she gets snappy and terse, and is unable to filter it when interacting with me. I personally would never allow that to happen, and in fact if I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 02:07 PM
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Good points! In which case that would put forward many cases of divided loyalties? Wifey A thinks you should spend more time with her, Wifey B thinks you should be spending less time with A and more time with her. Who do you side with (AKA where do your loyalties lie)? Why do I have to take a side? Why can't I spend time with both of them? If I were to be with multiple women I'd want them to know each other and get along, so what you said doesn't happen. Edit: Also, for this; If we exclude sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 01:00 PM
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Didn't I see you say you're fairly young somewhere in this thread? If you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 12:11 PM
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Is exclusivity a prerequisite for loyalty? I think you can be loyal to multiple people at once, why not multiple women?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/15 04:40 AM
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So why should it only be socially acceptable for men to have multiple partners? Because it's all too common for men to be stuck in relationships where the woman has lost all interest in sex, while the reverse is an anomaly? I mean, it would even solve issues for the woman. For example, if her husband is into anal, and she isn't, he could just go to someone else who is into it. Then he could enjoy sex with his wife the way she likes it, instead of craving something that she's not willing to give,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/15 08:03 PM
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How was this "actually completely caused by the woman"?? Because she was only concerned with getting what she wanted, and was uninterested in doing anything for me? Personally, I think that is the crux of the issue most of the time when the deadbedroom is caused by the man. He wants more out of their sex life, whether that be more blowjobs or more enthusiasm or something kinkier, and she's uninterested and unwilling to change and satisfy his desires. And in this day and age, most people will sup…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/15 12:47 AM
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A few, sure. But, speaking from personal experience, that doesn't at all mean that the woman has a higher libido, or is more interested in sex. At one point in my relationship I was the cause of the deadbedroom, and it was not at all the result of her having a higher libido. The problem was that I wanted a more out of our sex life, and I was feeling trapped and powerless because we had been together for a few years and I was totally blue. Our sex life was completely unsatisfying and I had no ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 11:09 PM
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With how often I hear of men being trapped in sexless relationships, I think it would be a good thing if it was socially acceptable for men to have multiple partners. I know from experience how much being sexually unsatisfied can affect men, and I'm sure it often leads to more serious problems. As it is at the moment, men have few to no acceptable outlets for there libido if their partner decides they don't feel like having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 10:06 PM
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What if the wife has lost interest in sex? That is a lot more common than a scenario where a husband is getting what he needs from his wife and still is unsatisfied. Of course, according to most people nowadays, if the wife has lost interest in sex it's perfectly acceptable for her to decide that no more sex will be had, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 09:50 PM
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Yes, this is the other side of self defense that a lot of people don't seem to understand. In Krav Maga we were frequently told that you should only fight back if your very confident you can win (or if it's life or death obviously). For instance, if you're being mugged, most of the time you should just hand over your wallet/phone and deal with it. It's not worth losing your life over some cash. In the context of being raped/sexually assaulted, I feel that it rides the line between the two. Somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 01:50 AM
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Today I learned commas are important. I also learned how to make an ass of myself on the internet. Good stuff! I won't hold it against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 01:44 AM
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Yep, my car is also well equipped. I've got a baseball bat in the trunk, bowie knife, extendable baton and kubaton in the front. I've never even been mugged/carjacked, but I live in a place where wildlife is often more dangerous than other people, so that's what I worry about. I never got why women think men don't, Yeah, also never got this. My other male friends were all the same, you have to look out for yourself so be ready to defend yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 01:43 AM
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Lol, this got seriously mixed up. I'm not sure why it's difficult to understand, he's just missing a comma. I can't understand adults who don't protect themselves ->,<- but they don't "deserve" to have bad things happen to them He's saying he doesn't understand people who choose not to protect themselves (because it's foolish) BUT, they don't deserve to have bad things happen to them (because duh).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 01:14 AM
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That is totally impossible to read on my browser, FYI.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 01:06 AM
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I almost always carry a pocket knife, sometimes two. I also have one of these and one of these in my car, and a baseball bat for good measure, oh and a big ol' knife. Also, I'm a dude. But I'm not a huge musclehead, so I have to be realistic. I know that it's absolutely possible for me to be attacked in broad daylight, in public, so I've taken Krav Maga classes and make sure that I'm well equipped to defend myself when I'm out. I would give the same advice to anyone, rather than wishing for a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/15 01:05 AM
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I disagree. "Feminism" is responsible for all of the shame I used to feel as a man who had certain preferences. I heard if I preferred a fit, slim woman in good shape that I was a shallow asshole who didn't care about "real" beauty. Preferring a woman who shaves her legs/armpits is unacceptable. Preferring a woman who shaves/waxes her pubes gets you called a pedophile. I don't really see that as being "confused about what men find attractive," do you? There is this lingering belief that unless y…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/15 08:03 PM
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Do men stick around when they are getting absolutely nothing out of a relationship? Not always, but I would say more often than women. I personally know three of my male friends who are/were in relationships that are almost entirely biased against them, and just accept it. Heck, I'm in a similar situation. I literally know it and still feel like crap when I think about just packing up and doing what's best for me. I think that Feminism's combination of "you go girl!" and "men are so entitled/dem…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/15 12:48 AM
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Holy shit, are you me?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 01:34 PM
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I believe it's mostly to blame. If women weren't given such a free pass by feminism, and society was as harsh on them as it is on men, I think TRP would be mostly unnecessary. Of course, like I just recently wrote in another thread, I also think women have a more innate understanding of how to get what they want out of relationships and romance, so I think there may always be a subset of TRP/PUA, because men often need more help than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 12:29 AM
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So is the only your only gripe with TRP the "rape" thing? Because it seems like you disagree with the concepts of dread game and negging, but also agree that women employ these same tactics with impunity. Perhaps, instead of arguing with TRP you should spend time telling women that they are behaving inappropriately and need to change. After all, I personally think TRP only exists as a reaction to this phenomenon. If society was as harsh and honest with women as it is with men, TRP wouldn't even …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 12:22 AM
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While there are many things about TRP I heavily disagree with (the fanaticism and lack of critical discussion, for example), it hasn't stopped me from delving into it for ideas that I can use and do appreciate. It does seem to be something that young and disillusioned men can appreciate, especially when they haven't had many masculine influences in their lives. These 'new' techniques suddenly bring back a purpose in their life and a sense of self-esteem and confidence. It shows them that there a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 12:10 AM
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I'm gonna offer a different perspective. The reason I have no problem with 'dread game' or 'negging' is not because "sexual strategy is amoral." It's because women have employed those tactics on me for my entire life, and they show no sign of stopping, slowing, or even being chastised for it. So why should I "play fair"? This is exactly the kind of shit that has caused me so many problems. I spent years doing things exactly as BP would say, never insulting her, never arguing. Cutting contact wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 11:55 PM
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I've got a similar experience to /u/_WhiteWidowWeed_. Used to wholeheartedly agree with feminism and follow blindly. Believed all the crap that feminism spews about male sexuality, so I was very careful never to do anything that seemed like "disrespecting women." Never pushed for what I wanted, never put my foot down, always make sure she's completely comfortable first. Of course, here I am in a relationship where I'm not getting anything I want, and everything is structured in her favor. When b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 11:38 PM
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I'm curious what the difference is between "making him wait" and "stringing him along," if there is one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 12:43 PM
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Bullshit. I'm not interested in a woman who's going to string me along and make me wait. Plus, being sexually compatible is incredibly important for most people, men especially. If she's has some sort of sexual hang up, or refuses to provide something that I've decided I want, the sooner that comes up the better.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 01:57 AM
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Not if both parties are rational. Good point. During my blue days I believed I had an unconditional love for the woman I was with, and I spent a lot of time letting myself get hurt because of I didn't understand that she didn't feel the same. Obviously I'm now aware I was being irrational.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 01:37 AM
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No. When TRP says that "men love unconditionally" they are intentionally exaggerating. I do believe that men (on average) have far fewer conditions that must be met for them to love a woman, and that those conditions are generally easier to fulfill. The women I've met who have very few conditions that aren't unreasonable at all are in the tiny minority, and I have yet to meet a dude who does have any unreasonable conditions. Most women seem to expect quite a bit while offering very little in ret…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 01:34 AM
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I'd be absolutely fine with it if I felt like I could expect her to do traditionally "feminine" things. But right now it's "you do all the traditionally male stuff, and you need to take care of some of the traditionally feminine stuff because it's sexist to expect women to conform to any standards!"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:59 PM
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Feminism has convinced many women that doing anything traditionally associated with "femininity" is somehow shameful, and that any man that expects any of those things is a sexist pig, while at the same time telling them that expecting the things traditionally associated with "masculinity" is perfectly acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 02:16 AM
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I'd like to see the answers if you added: You have a non-exotic kink (say oral), that she has been unwilling to oblige. You have had no qualms giving oral, but she never reciprocates, and if you push, she obliges but pouts and half asses the job. Then you find out she was willing and enthusiastic to go down on those 100's of men. Especially since this is such a common scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 02:13 AM
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But what I mean is that women can demand masculinity, while men cannot demand femininity. Masculinity is broader than self-confidence and aggression; femininity is broader than selectivity and timidity. This bothers me as well. My girlfriend expecting me to be the one who takes out the trash and does the heavy lifting is perfectly acceptable, but me expecting her to do anything associated with traditional "femininity" gets me branded a sexist pig. Even when she's the one who's bordering on OCD w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 01:57 AM
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Great back and forth. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/15 05:13 PM
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What the heck happened up there?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 09:35 PM
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Hell, they gave THAT to you in sex ed? How old were you? Do you mean this book? Reading comprehension - F. No, they didn't give anything. They recommended that all the guys read it. And yes, that book. We were 15-16, 10th grade as I recall. You really don't have a leg to stand on. The reality is that most women think just because the guy orgasms during sex, it must have been amazing. They don't feel any obligation to provide anything beyond the most basic participation. As I've said, I've never …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 01:33 PM
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raises hand I did. They recommended it to all the guys. Edit: Not happy wife happy life but She Comes First.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 03:09 AM
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Did they recommend it in sex ed?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/15 12:22 AM
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Never heard of it. Did they recommend it in sex ed?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 11:31 PM
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Interesting that this bothers you that much, because I got the message drilled into my head that it's a most noble task for a man to make your partner (and children) happy. That women wonder why they should do the same and ask "what about me?!" first tells me an awful lot about the way gender relations are treated in our culture. Yeah, it's pretty silly. There's such a disconnect between the modern young man, who was taught that making his partner happy is the most important thing you can do, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 08:37 PM
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You again! Hello friend :) I'm just gonna be brief and say this: Is there a mainstream book that is recommended to young women called He Comes First? How about anything similar to happy wife happy life. Or does the husband being happy not matter? I don't see how women are encouraged to put themselves last. They're encouraged to do whatever they want, and get plenty of you go girl! don't need no man! if it the man doesn't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/15 07:38 PM
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I agree, but with a small caveat. I do think there's a difference between modern men and women. Perhaps not one as strong as some hardcore RPers would claim, but I do think that women today are more selfish, more irrational, and more entitled than men, especially in the realm of romantic relationships and sex. And I think it's only that way because it's been encouraged. Men have been encouraged to put women first. Women have been encouraged to put themselves first.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 10:05 PM
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The main thing I've gotten out of TRP (and earlier on PUA) is do not put the pussy on a pedestal. Say it however much you like, this idea is not common knowledge. The reality is that men are subtly (it's never clearly stated in open terms) encouraged to put women above themselves, especially within romantic relationships. They're told over and over that you're the worst kind of scum if you disrespect women, but "disrespecting women" is such a vague idea. Appreciating their physical beauty is dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 09:40 PM
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Got it. I understand you now. Uh huh. Sure. You respect (and every man wants) a woman who's "eager and enthusiastic" to have penises by a multitude of men shoved in her at the same time - which she can never get enough of. The same woman men call a slut and whore. It wasn't clear to me what men want in their future wife. Now it is. Swing and a miss! Personally I don't like gangbangs. If anything I like it when there's a few extra girls! ;) So, you'd share your bedroom with all those other guys a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 09:21 PM
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If women simply don't like it, they don't like it. End of story. I don't see women complaining that men want those things Then you're not looking hard enough. Probably at all. I see plenty of it here on Reddit! Porn has given men unrealistic expectations. Bullshit. Women who expect their man to be satisfied with whatever scraps she deigns to give him are the ones with unrealistic standards. And sadly that's most women these days. I say feminism has given women unrealistic ideas about respect and…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/15 07:08 PM
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You need to find women who enjoy those things. They're out there. They're very rare though. Even more rare than a woman who won't be disgusted when you bring your desires up. Some women find anal and blow jobs unsexy. Anal can be dirty/cause permanent damage. Blow jobs can turn a woman's arousal dead as it can be difficult to do, make her jaw ache, become tedious, feel like its choking her - and the texture and taste of ejaculate can be awful. And if she becomes turned off sexually, what fun is …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 11:05 PM
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Many women find the things that the average man likes repulsive or perverted. A common one is anal, which I like. Another would be blowjobs. Many women in my past have told me how gross or "demeaning" giving a blowjob is. I really like them [the blowjobs]. I like it when she swallows, but a girl who's willing to do that regularly is hard to find, and most have been somehow insulted or thought I was gross when I brought it up. Hell a girl who's willing to give a BJ to completion is hard to find. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 09:17 PM
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Because no one wants to be an object. No one wants to be 'body parts'. No one wants to be dehumanized. Raises hand I do...I'd rather I was valued as an "object" or "body parts" than be invisible. I'd rather my sexuality be "objectified" than seen as repulsive or perverted.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/15 01:15 AM
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Okay but wouldn't women also feel validated by being desired by the opposite sex? If they did why is there all this talk about objectification and sexualization being so horrible? Why aren't the vast majority of catcalls welcome? Why are men routinely put down for showing sexual interest? All of these things are instances of men displaying their desire for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 11:51 PM
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The idea that women have it worse than men is such an over simplification and generalization. Privilege is a relative concept, in particular here in the Western world. Which leads me to... Good on you, I wish the majority of feminists I've interacted with were similarly pleasant and logical. Sadly, that's not my experience. This is still true. Patriarchy isn't the big, bad, men-hating-on-the-ladies-and-keeping-them-down system that an extremist victim might claim, but patriarchal tradition is al…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 11:09 PM
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They are a fringe group of radicals. If only. No you know what, I applaud this. I would love to be proven that they really are just a tiny minority, and most Feminists are completely reasonable. I just don't believe that's the case. The only common thread between every form of feminism is the belief that men and women should share equal political and social rights. But what about the idea that women have it worse than men? That they're the "primary victims" of sexism in the world? I disagree wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/15 02:14 PM
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I was gonna replay, but /u/rafay_M said pretty much what I was going to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/15 12:47 AM
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Ha! Good one, take my upvote.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 09:33 PM
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How on earth are scientists and biologists going to be able to research this stuff in the western world? Feminism vehemently rejects anything that puts women in an unfavorable light, and almost anything that claims there are fundamental differences between men and women. With the influence they have, I'm not surprised there is almost no scientific research available regarding red pills theories.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 09:25 PM
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I would add that another important aspect of TRP is the whole "don't put the pussy on a pedestal/don't be a doormat." I hadn't really gotten that message until I found TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/15 05:53 PM
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You make a good point, but I doubt many women would give a straight answer if asked "How do I get her to fuck me". It seems to me that most would be offended. This right here is the answer. Women go straight to "that's objectification!"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/15 01:42 AM
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Someone will probably tell me that feminism does that , but honestly most modern feminists don't go as far as to say that all men are childish, manipulative, hypergamous and whatever else. Nah, they just call them all rapists! So much better /s
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/15 08:17 PM
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Here. Although I was able to get a girlfriend fairly regularly, I felt like I wasn't good enough to be with a girl (because of the idea that what she wants out of a relationship is correct, and what I wanted was "entitled" and perverted and so on.) So I ended up in a string of relationships where I had absolutely no control. Basically, a doormat. And because I felt like the woman was so much better, I thought it ludicrous to even imagine me being the one to break up with her. So they all lasted …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/15 01:47 PM
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Yep, I had the same thing when gaming was in feminism's crosshairs. "Listen and Believe" and all that nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/15 04:47 AM
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Yeah, I'll back this experience up. I can't remember having a conversation with my girlfriend (or any girl) where we were on opposite sides but were able to continue the conversation pleasantly, either about the same topic or onto something new. This: They are interested in being right and you being wrong, and if you don't quickly agree with everything they say, they become upset and it becomes a problem. That is the shit I don't want to come home to. ...is all too familiar. For instance, trying…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/15 11:51 PM
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But now you're saying that you would refuse to do something like pegging is that you'd be psychologically uncomfortable with it (women are familiar with the psychological/emotional feeling of penetration and men are not) and you wouldn't enjoy it/have no interest. Wrong again! The real point is instead of it being all about the woman, which is the norm nowadays, she should consider him and his needs as much as he already does her and hers. And part of that should be trying things that he wants. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/15 02:08 PM
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So we only have this extra qualifying step when it's the man who's requesting?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/15 01:20 PM
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I don't think any penetration of any kind is some kind of incomprehensible sensation, since all humans have bowel movements, eat bananas, go to the doctor to get poked and prodded, ect. Wait, is that what sex for a woman is like? Eating a banana and taking a dump? If that's true I understand why women are so blasé about sex, but I thought it was a sexist stereotype to think women didn't like it as much as men. Seriously, even though I'm a dude, I don't believe your examples are comparable to bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/15 12:16 AM
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Anal is far from enjoyable for many women, and can range from uncomfortable and pleasureless to actively painful regardless of lube. I don't think you've been doing it right. People in general do things for their partners that aren't pleasurable for them, and you're deluded if you think women don't do it at least as often as men. I don't believe that women do it as often as men. That's the case in my experience. Your "point" is nothing but an opinion that anal penetration is somehow different fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 06:13 PM
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Yeah all of that consideration is exactly why she might not want to do it. This is the part you're not getting. Yeah, I am. I'm not gonna force anyone to do anything. If she doesn't want to do it, that's that. But what it seems you're not understanding is that between the two of us, she's going to be more prepared if she does say yes, than I would ever be, because of all of that other stuff you quoted. Since she knows what it's like and enjoys being on the receiving end. That's why the whole 50/…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 03:27 PM
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You seem to think fucking someone and being fucked are the same. You seem to think women should tolerate discomfort during sex and men shouldn't. You seem to think that the decisions one makes when they are the one being penetrated (pain is a consideration) are the same decisions one makes when they are the one penetrating (pain is the farthest thing from his mind). It almost seems like you think a vagina and a penis are the same. Nope. Actually I've made it abundantly clear that I think the opp…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 01:59 PM
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You expect women to tolerate discomfort during sex, but not men? I don't understand, women expect men to do uncomfortable things all the time in sex. He's the one who's supposed to do all the work, minus a few seconds here and there. The way my girlfriend likes to do it is incredibly uncomfortable for me, but I'll do it for her... How much sex would you be having if you had to "tolerate discomfort"? Lots. All the time. As often as possible. Like I already would like to. So her ear? Her eye? Her …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 01:54 PM
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Wait, first of all, what question? Second, it seems like your perfectly fine with the woman having full control of the nature of the sex life [in a relationship]. Are you comfortable with the man having the same amount of control over the sex life? How about of any part of the relationship? In this hypothetical world where genders are swapped, I would absolutely be willing to try anything for my partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 01:33 PM
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Oh no, things aren't 100% exactly the same for men and women? The horror! Yes, I'm a guy who has never been penetrated before, and I don't plan on it. My girlfriend likes being penetrated, so if anyone's going to do it, she should. If she actually got some sort of physical pleasure from it [penetrating me] I might reconsider, but as it is no. I should be clear, I'm not comfortable with a strap-on or something like that. If she wanted to finger me while going down on me, that's a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 01:29 PM
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What does she get from penetrating me? No physical stimulation whatsoever. I'm sorry, but I don't have any kinks that require her to do something that gives absolutely no pleasure. Way to completely ignore my point. Psychologically there's a big difference between penetrating and being penetrated. Since she's already the "penetratee," she is already psychologically, physically, and emotionally familiar with the feeling. This is the most annoying blue pill argument ever, "everything has to be exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 01:20 PM
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Yeah, I saw, I was the one saying "into." To me that's the important part. I'm also thinking of the psychological aspect of the experience. In that regard, the woman (at least in my relationships) already knows what it's like psychologically to be on the receiving end, to have someone else's body part penetrating you in a sexually intimate way. Does that make sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 04:34 AM
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Yes, but I have no experience with something moving into my body, i.e being penetrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 03:43 AM
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Everyone has an asshole, everyone knows what it's like to have something unpleasant move out of it. I have no idea what having something move into any of my orifices feels like. Isn't that the important part?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 03:38 AM
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At least she has some idea of what having a penis inside her body feels like. In no way do I think it's exactly the same, but I think that makes some difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 03:17 AM
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Nope, because I don't like being penetrated, period. Women generally have experienced having a foreign member inside them and they usually enjoy it (when having safe consensual sex). I've never tried anal (either way) but at least the girl knows what being penetrated feels like in the first place. You might not like it, but that's my reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 03:08 AM
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Why does that change anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 03:04 AM
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Yep, but to be fair, that's a pretty rare occurrence. I'd be willing to try most things, if my girlfriend was interested. There's a few things I wouldn't do, that I've never done. Also, sex is generally a bigger priority for men, so I think the woman should take that into account if that's the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 02:34 AM
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Yeah, totally get that. In my experience, men putting a priority on the quality of the sex in a relationship is considered shallow. For women it's perfectly acceptable, if he doesn't do it for her she should kick him to the curb! You might be called a pig outright, but I had heard something like "typical men, ugh" enough times to think that making sex a priority like that and being a "good" guy were mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 12:48 AM
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do you like doing things you don't want to do in personal relationships? This is a non sequitur. If I didn't want to do it, doesn't that mean I don't like it? The answer is yes, I do plenty of things I "don't like" or rather, wouldn't do if I was alone/with someone I didn't really care about. But your argument means that if she is the slightest bit displeased with any part of the sex or what he wants, that's that. Shouldn't she be putting him a bit higher on her priorities list?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 12:32 AM
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This is such a frustrating attitude. Does the dude even show up on the priorities list, or is it 100% about the woman? Shouldn't it be a priority to do things that he likes, if she loves him? No, it's all about how comfortable she is, and how much she is enjoying the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 12:17 AM
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I also think it's totally fair that if a certain act is important to a guy and she won't do it, he has every right to leave the relationship. If he commits for the rest of his life, that means that he is preventing himself from ever doing whatever that thing is. Which is a pretty big deal IMO Man I wish more people thought like this. I'm in a similar situation and most of the people I talk to IRL have been fairly unreceptive to the idea that this sex act or that sex act is important enough to re…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/15 12:12 AM
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Why do you care what people think? If this bothers you to the core as it seems it does, then do what makes you feel better. I mean, yeah I wouldn't care what random people think. But I wouldn't be looking forward to telling my parents, my brother, etc., that that's why I ended a 4 year relationship with a girl that they adored. Not a huge deal but still, I wouldn't be looking forward to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/15 07:56 PM
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I mean, yeah, that's just a nearby example. I've also never met a woman in the outside world who was ok with their partner watching porn. I mean, I may have, but not a single woman I've gotten to know in any capacity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/15 07:03 PM
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Also as a man, perhaps you have to put your foot down and break up if she doesn't comply to having sex with you at your quantity level or opening up the relationship. You have options. Yeah, it's just a pretty shitty reason to break up, that could be easily corrected. Also, what do you think the average person's attitude would be if they asked why we broke up, and I said "because she wasn't having sex with me as much as I wanted"? Probably something like, "Dude really, that was pretty shallow. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/15 07:02 PM
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I would say that's the minority. Every thread about boyfriends watching Porn I've seen on TwoX, for instance, the majority think it's gross or weird or something along lines of "ugh, Men..."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/15 06:51 PM
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I think the modern narrative is that "Sex should be something both people desire and should never be perceived as a chore because obviously sex is great and if you don't think it's the most important thing in the world in a relationship then something is wrong with you and need to go to the doctor." So naturally women hear this and think, "Well I should only have sex when I actually want to have sex." This is all well and good, but you realize this means that the women will be in control at all …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/15 06:38 PM
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Pretty typical. It's not important until she thinks it's important, then you better drop everything. I've actually been in a very similar situation, though slightly different. I was extremely interested in sex w/ my girlfriend, and she was passably interested, so it wasn't horrible but I wanted way more. Then I took a nude figure drawing class (artist here), and she flipped her shit! Thought it was like cheating, like watching porn, blah blah blah. I was as blue as can be so instead of getting t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/15 02:08 PM
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To everyone saying "we already do this" in one way or another, bullshit. Girls may be told not to manipulate/use/"lead on" men, but where is the real world reinforcement of this idea? When women manipulate men to do something, it's either "well, those guys chose to do that for her, she didn't force them!" or "you go girl!" (snow shoveling anyone?) The cultural expectation for women not to manipulate men needs to be just as strong as the cultural expectation for men not to use their superior stre…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/15 03:03 PM
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Lots of good examples of how the western world has been more feminized, I'll just add one to the pot: The average* woman loves to be taken on romantic dates, to be showered in flowers, gifts and jewelry. She loves to have romantic, intimate, sensual sex, and be doted on and pampered. She loves having a sensitive partner who will listen to her. It's not only acceptable for her to expect these things, it's considered basic "good boyfriend" behavior to provide them. If you (as a man) don't, the ave…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/15 01:34 AM
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Wow, lots of jimmies rustled from this comment. For anyone confused, this is the important part: I think she would laugh at him if he tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/15 09:45 PM
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If you want women who will give more than they receive, date submissives and masochists. I am not in any way kidding, and it works quite well for me. Some are even feminists... Here's my problem, I feel like there's a constant pressure on men to be really good at giving what their partners want, that doesn't exist in the same capacity for women. Is what I'm asking for really that weird and alternative that only submissives and masochists would find it enjoyable? It seems like all I'm asking for …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 08:00 PM
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why wouldn't you? The partner you loved was asking you to be intimite with him and you "don't want to". How would you feel if you come tired and stressed and want to cuddle with your SO and he says: I don't want to. Whould that not strike you as manipulative? resentfull? mean? I get where you are coming from but women in general have not a clue where men are coming from, you treat our needs like we are dogs, that want to have a chew on the furniture instead of human individuals that have needs. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 01:46 PM
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She's not down with any sort of polygamy/polyamory :P
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 04:52 AM
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Agree to hire a hooker? Or agree that blowjobs are good for the soul? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 04:14 AM
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Yeah I don't think my girlfriend would like that, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 02:55 AM
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Yeah I'm not saying I don't want to give it at all, I just like getting some NSA head every once in a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 02:29 AM
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If you didn't ask for good sex before, and suddenly do a few years into a relationship, then you can come across as a bit of an asshole. What if I felt like asking for sex or certain sex acts was synonymous with being entitled? I didn't get that idea from nowhere. But just about all sex-positive feminists would allow that sex consists of various acts where partners please each other, and that there is nothing wrong with women pleasing men as long as it is part of an appropriate, consensual mix. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 02:08 AM
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Uh huh. This is Jezebel quality shit right here. I don't care where it comes from, but this idea is more prevalent than you seem to want to admit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 01:46 AM
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Who is suggesting that partner-seeking be taken out of bars and clubs? Or parties for that matter? If I had a nickel for every time I heard/read "ugh, why can't I/women just go to the club/bar/public event with my/their friends and have a good time without having men be interested in me/them all the time!" I'd be a happy man. Clearly you are not looking for the right women. There are literally millions of self-identified submissive women out there who get off on the idea of pleasing a man sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/15 01:41 AM
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Asking men to take their partner-seeking out of libraries and classrooms -- and workplaces -- is not equivalent to any kind of shaming of male sexuality. And coffee shops, and the clubs, and bars and restaurants and anywhere public. Wait, where am I supposed to ask a woman out? Edit: anal and deep throat are essentially kinks, like any other kinks. Nobody is entitled to them but anyone can discuss them prior to getting deeply into a relationship. It seems to me that feminism has made all of thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 11:57 PM
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properly understood This is an incredibly important part. I understand all of these concepts and how they're supposed to be used, but that doesn't change the fact that they're used wrong more often than not, and most of the time it's to shame male sexuality. Edit: For instance: Both Male Gaze and Objectification imply that men enjoying women's sexuality is somehow wrong. It's pretty easy for that to lead to "you want your wife/girlfriend to dress up all slutty for you? Ugh gross, why are men so …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 11:30 PM
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Back to the double standard, the reason why it's "acceptable" to discuss men in that fashion, but not women, is because it's known that there's still sexism, and women are underrepresented in many areas of society, and they are recently coming out of living under the boot of men for so long. (Read: all of history) This is such an aggravating cop-out. "This probably happened in the past, though I haven't experienced it, so time to pay up!" The hamster wheel is smoking.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 11:28 PM
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I don't know, though. Emotional abuse as a concept cuts both ways, and I dare say there are as many emotionally abusive women as men. Agreed. The problem is that the abuse that women generally partake in is not seen as nearly as serious (or even abuse at all). And I think it would be very difficult to argue that feminism has had a negative impact on the quality of sex or the quality of communication around sex, from just about any perspective, over the last 50 years and especially since the "tri…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 11:16 PM
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Show me an ROK (or any other) article that contains the caliber of insanity that is found in that (and many other) feminist writing. Seriously, a man saying something like "we should kill 90% of women and use the rest of them as sex machines" would not be taken lightly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 11:09 PM
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RP/PUA mindset has helped me a lot, even though I'm in a committed relationship. You are just as important as she is, it's your movie. You're the captain. Put your needs at least level with hers, never below. It's really hard to break patterns, but it's possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 11:06 PM
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I expanded in an edit, but; I am aware there are some feminists who are not like this. The mainstream, pop feminism, however, commonly rants on how evil and oppressive male sexuality is. Not sexuality overall. Incidentally, that's the only feminism that 90% of the population sees, especially the average joe.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 09:04 PM
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I know that. I'm using "entitled" because that's the go to feminist word for it. The mere idea that a man thought sex should be a regular and enthusiastic thing in a relationship was him being "entitled." Him steering the sexual encounter and being dominant was synonymous with patriarchal, sexist, traditional, entitled, etc. Edit: The point of what I'm trying to say (which came to me in the shower) is that if you wanted to be a "good guy" who respected women, then you didn't get much say on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 08:21 PM
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That probably has a lot to do with it. Can I ask where you're from? General area?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 06:08 PM
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Regardless, the fact that something like that is even allowed to be written and shared is evidence of the double standard. A man writing something equivalent to that but about women would be considered an awful misogynist, and very well might be arrested. He would be considered a threat to womankind, and "evidence of the horrible misogyny that still permeates our culture."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 02:57 PM
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Yeah I'm not even full RP either, but that shit has definitely pushed me farther towards RP related content.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 02:54 PM
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I didn't experience most of what he said, but feminism telling me that I don't deserve anything, that I'm not entitled to sex with a woman (in any situation, even my wife), that any hint of sexual interest from a man was objectification, is something I remember clearly, and completely warped my views on relationships. Edit: I'm using "entitled" because that's the feminism word. I guess I have to clarify that I know I'm not entitled to sex with anyone, but I'm talking about men being shit on for …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 02:09 PM
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Update: Come to think of it, I think I remember reading a section about this in "No More Mr. Nice Guy" - about how males will internalize the "sins" of males and then try to distance himself from masculinity or suppress viewing himself as a sexual being, because males and male sexuality is associated with so many negative things. Yeah this happened to me pretty much verbatim. Spent years ashamed and afraid that I was "objectifying" women by being interested in them sexually. But nah, feminism's …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 01:57 PM
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http://www.vice.com/read/is-reducing-the-male-population-by-90-percent-the-solution-to-all-our-problems This is where I like to start when the whole "it's only radfems!" argument comes up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 01:52 PM
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Yes. I have. On tumblr. Its difficult to see beyond the echo chamber that your internet haunts provide (I struggle with it too), but make sure that you remember that the ideas you see in extremist groups like radfems are still an very small minority of the population at large. I'm as willing to generalize tumblr opinions to women as I am to generalize redpill opinions to men. Oh how nice would it be if it was just Tumblr...wistful sigh. But no, male sexuality being demonized is not just on Tumbl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 01:41 PM
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There's probably information out there somewhere... Yeah I'm sure you know all about this subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/15 01:22 PM
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There's probably information out there somewhere, you just haven't looked hard enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/15 10:45 PM
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Thanks for the kind words! It's mostly my fault, believing that shit and letting things go off in a different direction than what I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 08:07 PM
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Purple leaning red as well... did your parents make your breakfast, lunch, dinner or did you do that yourself? Most of my meals, until I got a bit older. did your parent do your laundry or did you do that yourself? They did until I was 16. did they help you with your homework? Nope. did they care about your grades? To a degree. If I started to do badly yes, but I was almost always above average so they didn't really have to. were you expected to work a job growing up? Not expected to go get a jo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 03:04 PM
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I think its a mistake to stay with someone just because you have put years into the relationship. I am not sure why people do this, there seems to be some kind of societal expectation that if you have been with someone "x" number of years you are now obligated to make it work. I also think sometimes people are afraid to be alone so they stay in a less than ideal relationship rather than just break up and hope they find something better. I think there's that, and there's a societal expectation/at…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 02:47 PM
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Why is it considered sexist to bring up that your needs aren't being met in a relationship? I really think in this case he should say something, he should talk to her about what he needs and if she really doesn't care, if she gives him grief for that. Well then he needs to weigh up how much his needs matter to him, if the rest of the relationship is actually worth it. I don't understand why in a relationship, him wanting to spice up their sex life is considered sexist or anti-feminist? Why shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 02:17 PM
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Just to throw this out there: If you could have a beautiful girlfriend whom would do any sexual act any time you wanted and as much as you wanted, but it had to be monogamous, would you pick her or having three plates? Definitely the monogamy if she was truly open to all the good stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 02:04 PM
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Because that's not what I said. I said (basically) "she's great, but there's this one thing that I don't like. It started off good, but by the time things went downhill, it had been long enough that I don't want to just end it." What if he believed the blue/feminist thinking of "if I want better sex from her I'm acting entitled. If I want kinkier sex I'm objectifying her. If I want her to suck my dick every once in a while I'm a sexist pig." What if he believed being concerned with sex is what t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 01:08 PM
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"no one will give me a blowjob" to "I'm in a long term committee relationship" These aren't mutually exclusive, yo. You're also lying. And we both know it. You're grasping at straws, and we both know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 04:20 AM
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LOL. 0/10 my friend. I'm in a committed relationship and have been for 4 years. Before that 2 years. Etc. I have no issues with social situations. I have lots of friends and plenty of them are women. "Women should keep mens bellies full and balls empty" is the kind of thing only a creep would say. I thought this was perfectly acceptable, nay mainstream! I'm not even 100% RP, but it's definitely better than BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 03:16 AM
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You're responses are just a bunch of ad hominem. I'm a creep? My friends are losers? Nice. It is telling, though. It tells us that your red pill sexual strategy is not effective, where my "respect women and generally try to be a good person" has resulted in an adequate number of blowjobs in my lifetime. Lol, that wasn't "red pill sexual strategy." I'm describing how I thought when I was as blue as can be, and how most people think. It was blue attitudes that led me to have such an unfulfilling s…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 02:32 AM
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I'm in a committed relationship. The girl I'm with is great, but our sex life is sub-par. It started out a bit better (honeymoon phase) but has seriously gone down. She doesn't really think it's much of a problem. I've told her quite a few things that I really like (not even the fun stuff) and she just doesn't do feel the need to do them. I really take care of her, and enjoy doing all the things that she likes when we have sex, but she puts very little effort into it, and when I ask her to do so…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 01:44 AM
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Wait, you can't find a girl who likes blowjobs? Are you serious?? How is that even possible? That's like the standard, boiler-plate sexuality. That's like a handshake, for Christ sake. Are you sure you're talking about human women? And not plants or human-shaped-rocks or something? Like women who live in the current age, on this planet? Because, Jesus, if you've never dated someone who likes to give blowjobs... I don't even know how to respond. Hope that red pill thing is working out, though. I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/15 12:29 AM
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You're doing a bad job, then, encompassing this advice. Because no one ever says this and no one means it. This is the essence of all the dating advice I've gotten over the years from "acceptable" sources. The only place I've heard the opposite is from "misogynistic" (according BP/feminism/the mainstream) places. Who do you hang out with, housewives from the 1950s? In my experience, inside a relationship, most women are down for whatever. (I only say "inside a relationship" because 90% of the se…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/15 08:32 PM
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Again: I have never heard anyone give this advice to anyone, ever. Look, I'm using a phrase to encompass the entire theme of dating advice given to men. I've never heard those literal words either, but that doesn't mean the idea isn't the same. Huh? Look, man, I've been in plenty of relationships, and in my experience, when I'm with someone, in general, she wants to have sex with me, because we like each other. Sometimes, one partner or the other isn't into it on a particular night, but no big d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/15 06:01 PM
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I'm from an incredibly liberal place. It's not conservatives, it's the influence of feminism that caused this stuff. You might find it useful to spend some time on /r/sex[1] I think you may be in the wrong circles for a good sex life. See it sucks, because I do browse there, and plenty of other places. But again, it's not about how much information is out there. It's about the expectation for women to actually look at this stuff and learn about how give a man pleasure. I hope you find more like …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/15 05:09 PM
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Growing up I saw ton of women's magazines and in nearly all there is a running column on how to please your man in bed. Ten mind blowing moves you should try this week, give him the best sex of his life. Tutorial after tutorial on how to give a blow job, hand job, flex your kegels, deep throat like a porn star, take it up the ass like a champ, leave him drooling for more. You mean like those Cosmo sex tips that are universally laughed at by women. Like that video recently where women try actual …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/15 04:42 PM
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I feel like you're being willfully ignorant. I wasn't talking about who literally comes first (and still, it's not true that sex has to be over when the man comes.) I'm talking about the fact that there is a mainstream book that is recommended to every guy (I heard about it in sex Ed...) that is all about how to pleasure women. Where is the equivalent for men? I know there are plenty of sex books, and many probably detail how to make a guy feel great, but I've never heard of them. My gf wasn't r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/15 02:02 PM
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Yes, those words are never said outright. No one would think that was good advice. But the average advice for men is along the lines of "treat her like a princess, always put her first." Add in the crap about how men who want sex regularly with their SO are entitled, and if they want anything more than what the girl wants they're entitled pervs. Oh what about "happy wife happy life"? "She comes first." Etc. I could go on and on. Men are discouraged from having any expectations or standards for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/15 11:44 PM
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Yes, I have seen it 50/50. Sometimes I've seen it more in favor of the man, sometimes more so for the woman, these would be anywhere from 60/40- nearly 100%....in either scenario. Well, everyone has different experiences. Man, some of you guys are really smart. This is sad to me. I don't even know what else to say about it. You know I think you're wrong, and I know you think I'm wrong. Thank you! I sometimes hope that I'm wrong. I wish my girlfriend would treat me like I treat her without any ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/15 11:29 PM
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Ex: walking through a door right in front of her and not pushing it back open behind you. That's what civilized humans do and they're making an effort to treat women "equally" as in worse than they'd treat a male stranger. Why do you assume that they'd treat a male stranger differently? I'm usually surprised when people hold the door for me, it doesn't happen often. I'm a male.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/15 11:01 PM
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I don't get the gross over-generalization. I feel like you guys have picked some shitty women in the past. No offense. I wish this was true, but I'm not saying these women were horrible people. In fact they were kind, intelligent, independent, progressive women in every respect, except for the way they approached relationships. In fact, like I said, I've never seen a relationship where the woman respects and treats the man in the same way he is expected to treat her. The closest evidence is RPW,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/15 10:45 PM
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And never is it anywhere NEAR the level of banter with my SO. With neither men nor women. People think we fucking hate each other sometimes. No, quite the opposite. And we know the things that are off limits for each other in the banter department. I definitely feel more comfortable making jokes with my girlfriend that I wouldn't make with my casual female friends. I like to joke about everything, and I don't think making jokes that are stereotypically sexist towards women should be a big no-no,…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/15 09:03 PM
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Good post, I like you. What I'm gathering here is that you guys are trying to tell me common sense shit. "Don't put other people before you all the time. Don't treat anyone with undue amounts of respect. Don't be a doormat. Don't get shit all over." etc. This is not "common sense" at least for most men. Like /u/archwinger said, this: I used to respect women implicitly and give them great deference. I revered them and loved them, I was always there for them. I got shit on for it. is "common sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/15 08:25 PM
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I don't understand the point you're trying to make. My main point is that "respecting women" has been taken too an extreme. Feminism has guaranteed that. It's "disrespectful" to want sex from women. It's "disrespectful" to put your needs first, or even level with hers. She comes first and all that. For some reason I've noticed that most of the sexual acts that men like, are the ones that are considered "disrespectful." For the longest time I thought wanting blowjobs was "entitled" because I'd re…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/15 08:00 PM
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I don't know about others, but I've never not been respectful to women. That's one of the big things that drove me toward TRP and the like, that men are told that if they treat them like equals, the women will love it. But when I treat women like I treat men, they hate it. They don't like having to earn respect. They don't like the jokes and banter that happen with men. Women want the chivalry, and they want the kid gloves. And guess what, it didn't help me get laid! Because wanting sex from wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/15 01:45 PM
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"Don't pedestalize women." Because this isn't a welcome sentiment outside of places labelled "misogynistic"?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/15 02:28 AM
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You're sitting in front of very large control panel, dear, and yet you're trying to find the perfect setting on one little knob over in the corner. Relax, the "sex delay" setting doesn't actually do much of anything unless you set it way too high. Try the row of slider switches over there labelled "femininity". Or the "consideration" dial. Those switches marked "playfulness", "cheerfulness", and "enthusiasm" have a couple of settings that will help. This is great.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/15 02:20 AM
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Yeah that's incredibly selfish. "I went down on this girl once, but she was all sweaty that day so it was yucky. I'll never do that again." That's the gender swapped version of the type of bullshit men hear all the time. What sex acts do you "mature" out of? I've never done something sexual that I didn't want to do again, usually every time. How is doing things outside of vanilla starfish sex "immature"? Yes, that would be my best bet, but for some reason it's an extremely popular thing to do, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 02:33 PM
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Seriously! What a waste of time, for both people. Of course, when they finally do end up having sex, and it's nothing like what the guy wanted, he feels guilty about not wanting to continue the relationship, because all sources say that caring about sex (enough to end a relationship, and only if you're a man) is shallow and sexist. So he stays with this girl because being shallow and sexist is bad, but the relationship is terrible because he's not happy, and she is. I've lived that, its bullshit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 02:27 PM
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Uhh I'll think about it. I'm actually a professional freelance artist so it's not just a hobby, I'm afraid if I posted anything it'd be really easy to find my personal info :P Perhaps I'll draw something specifically for the sub, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 02:15 PM
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That is definitely a different situation. Sex requires two people, and it's gonna be different with each person. If a girl has been down to experiment before, I would think she would be open to experimenting with me, since it will be a new experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 06:17 AM
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Well played, way to take it seriously! I'd say you have an interesting and semi-unique situation, because I've never met a guy who'd rather have a bossy woman. To each his own.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 03:57 AM
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If you're going to say you were 'experimenting' you better be willing to 'experiment' with me. I think it's pretty closed-minded to think that doing anything with 1 person will be the same as doing it with any other person. I'd say it's more likely that the experience will be completely different than completely the same. Also, what about me? Why are the woman's feelings so much more important than the man's?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 03:50 AM
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I'm not full red, so my answer might be different, but I lean that way. I don't care about partner count, to a point (like, +10 would probably be pushing it, cleanliness is essential) but sex is a big important part of a relationship to me, especially having the kind of sex I enjoy. So first of all, I'd want to have sex early enough, at least to make sure that we're on the same page. Second, I would get bothered by the whole "I used to do anal/deepthroat/bdsm/threesomes/etc., but I don't want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 03:13 AM
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I grew up with feminism as the "default" so to speak, and never questioned it for years. I had the notion that if you weren't a feminist, you were a woman hating fuck head (so I sympathize with some BPers, I know that feels). I had certain doubts occasionally, but I generally wasn't exposed enough to gender debates to get the true picture. But the more feminist content I was exposed to, the more I disliked myself and other men, but I couldn't explain it. I felt bad about wanting sex, and wanting…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/15 03:04 AM
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-More red than blue -Sigma sounds pretty spot on for me -INTP
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 01:40 PM
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with similarly structured societies, without racial/ethnic + gender differences Sounds like an incredibly boring human race.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/15 01:02 PM
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The thing is that you're picking apart each thing on an individual level. Maybe one area by itself wouldn't be that big of a deal or could just be chalked up to immaturity. But all of these things combined is what I would call an unhealthy and emotionally abusive relationship. I don't know, I guess I never thought of calling my SO silly as abusive. My current SO has no issue with it... Anyway, his specific actions may actually work towards that, but again, he's not actually an "RP" person. I get…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 07:43 PM
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This could have to do with the fact that in most cases you have to actually search for MILF related content, since the "teen" type stuff is so popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 05:34 PM
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Look, in this specific example, I don't know what to tell you, but it seems like she's just insecure about him being smarter. I don't really see the maliciousness in his actions. Example : He will slowly act more and more aggressive physically and mentally, lead me into a more submissive state slowly, leading up to incredibly aggressive sex- then stop. This goes on for about a week, start to finish, once every 3-6 weeks or so. I contribute to this by the fact that I clearly deeply enjoy when he …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 05:15 PM
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It's just a ridiculous circular argument. Yep, pretty much. I mean, I tried to explain that it's not a sexual thing, when I'm drawing I'm seeing lines, shapes, angles, etc. The sexual aspect of the naked body is secondary. Sadly, this is one of the frustrating double standards that has driven me away from feminism at large.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 04:57 PM
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Social interactions are fun. And why would awareness of the social code take the fun out of it? If I play a game and I don't know how to play it I would say the game would be more boring. This is the answer. Why would knowing the rules and tricks make the game boring? I personally think women have a natural understanding for this stuff, albeit subconsciously, and it's threatening for them when men understand it too/better. After all, most guys actually believe "just be yourself."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 02:20 PM
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Absolutely agree! It's obvious that the feminine figure has always been inspiring when you look back at the history of art. I personally believe that feminism's influence is responsible for those women's feelings. I think it has done a great job opening up women's sexuality for women, but it turned a man enjoying a woman's body or sexuality into something dirty. Male gaze and whatnot. Thoughts?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 05:22 AM
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Yeah, that's why I was just thinking it's bad luck on my part. They were generally more ok with idea of me drawing them exclusively, although when it came down to it they all still seem uncomfortable that that's what I wanted. And the actual act of posing nude seemed to be embarrassing for them. But drawing from photo references? Or even from my imagination. I think they viewed it like porn. Usually it's something along the lines of "ugh you're just like all men, obsessed with naked women." Whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/15 02:28 AM
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Bullshit. That is a very very fringe mind set. A more realistic "general mindset" that men have towards women is "treat her like a princess." And so, isn't then the problem with female love just a disappointment that human love is never unconditional and expecting it to be so is unrealistic? I don't think what I described above is that unrealistc, I've done nearly the same (or whatever is of equal value to them) for every relationship I've been in. I've also seen every single male friend I have …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 08:12 PM
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Don't be thick. Obviously her "energy, focus, attention, and priorities" can be expressed differently depending on who she's expressing them towards. That does not equate to "being treated like a child."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 07:41 PM
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Ah, well that's kind of what I tried to give. I don't have examples of specific instances, it's kind of a lot of little things and the general mind set that the women and society seem to have right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 07:34 PM
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I don't quite understand, do you want examples of the love that failed, or what I was daydreaming of? I'll just go for it. True sexual fulfillment. To be desired sexually, to have her be physically attracted to me to the point where she can't keep her hands off me (like I am with her :P). This is mostly my fault for believing that I didn't need to be ripped to find a girl who was attracted to me, but I've never really experienced this. To be put first, or doted on, sometimes. For her to do somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 07:22 PM
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but if you want to do something on a grander scale, like getting involved in business or politics, I have honestly never met someone who wants to go into/is in politics. I don't think it's as common of a career choice as feminists make it out to be, for either gender. As for business, there are all manor of resources exclusively for women who want to start and own a business. My SO and I both started small, similar businesses around the same time, and she had an obvious leg up over me in every a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 06:50 PM
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I wasn't even thinking of dread game, I don't even know if 'freeze out' is exactly the right term, or if it even has a term. But I got the idea of "don't sit around the house and let her nag you or make you feel bad, leave and do something fun," from reading TRP. Before that the main idea was "do everything you can to make her feel better, and right the wrong you've committed." (Side Note: "Do something fun," meaning, go shoot some hoops with your bros, not go chase some tail in front of her.) L…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 06:33 PM
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So frustrating... Exactly. At least I know some people get it. It's so much better than it was 2 or 3 years ago, when I was just starting form these ideas on my own and hating myself for it. Obviously where I'm from (like most of the 1st world) feminism is the default state of affairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 06:21 PM
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I don't think you can really compare physical violence to catcalling. Perhaps some forms of violence like getting in a fist fight is comparable to sexual harassment, but true violence? I don't think you can compare the two. And I still think more men are victims of violence than women are victims of sexual harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 04:04 AM
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I like your flair. "Whatever works."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:55 AM
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What does that have to do with this: being female requires more defensiveness. ?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:55 AM
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But the main tactic that PUA/RP says to use when the woman your with is acting bitchy or withholding sex or whatever is the freeze out, i.e just leave. Don't let her manipulate you or make you feel bad, just go out and do something you enjoy. This idea is generally not taken well by those outside of TRP, to put it lightly...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:53 AM
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Your original argument was being female requires more defensiveness. Which has been completely proven wrong. You're moving goalposts now, trying to change the argument to "who's responsible for more violence."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:43 AM
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So it's fine not to be nice as long as it's not "in order to hurt them emotionally and manipulate them." What's the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:32 AM
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Exactly :P
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:27 AM
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Women constantly feel like they're being told that they have to cook, clean, and take care of kids while also holding down a career. Bull. Shit. Expecting your wife/girlfriend/female SO to do anything stereotypically associated with the traditional female gender role is a quick way to get a one-way ticket to palmsdale. My dad taught me that (well, not exactly that but the idea). Feminism has done a great job of turning cooking/cleaning for a man, and even, to an extent, doing anything he desires…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/15 03:24 AM
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I'm actually having a hard time thinking of something that "every" man would want (in the same way "every" woman wants flowers for valentines day). Aside from what I already said up there :P ^ I stopped caring about sports at about 12 as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 10:06 PM
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Did you...mean to highlight something from this passage?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 10:01 PM
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"Wait, you expect to have sex semi regularly when there are no obvious extraneous circumstances preventing it, in a long term monogamous relationship? Objectification!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 09:46 PM
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in conventional war, but thanks to modern society that risk is in great decline, close to non existent for most men (or now equally distributed to all men and women in nuclear war) What about job related deaths? in what context? women get mugged too, and women are more often physically abused in relationships (i.e. get their face smashed in more often). men and women both have this risk equally Men have a much higher risk of violence than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 09:42 PM
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This is not "most people say this so I have to follow it!" It's "Everyone says this, and if you don't just get relationships you're a creep." Seriously why is this so hard to understand. Men are constantly told that they should treat the women they're with like princesses. They're told not to expect anything from their wife/girlfriend/etc, lest they objectify her. Most men, besides the top 10-20%, feel lucky to be in a relationship because women have never taken notice of them in their life. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 09:33 PM
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"Don't put women on a pedestal." "Don't take shit from your girlfriend." The mainstream advice boils down to "kiss her ass."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 07:24 PM
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I don't think either of those work as a reversal of the situation. I feel like 'what is it with men and blowjobs,' might be closer :P
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/15 06:04 PM
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Cool. Interestingly enough, that reminds of the whole Occulus Rift silliness. Still, I was thinking about someone like the BBC, or similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 10:35 PM
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Without knowing specifically what you said, I have no way of evaluating this situation. I literally said: "because men's bodies are generally better built for this type of physical activity" The point is that the general public/the majority/society at large doesn't like it when men are shown to be superior. I mean, I feel like you're arguing right past me. I said; I understand that the field exists, and there are plenty of studies. I'm talking about how the reception is completely different depe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 09:33 PM
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I mean, I understand that the field exists, and there are plenty of studies. I'm talking about how the reception is completely different depending on which gender 'comes out ahead' so-to-speak. Studies that come to the conclusion that women are better at any given thing get a much better reception than studies that show that men are superior. This happens all the time right here on reddit. I mean, I'm not even talking about who's better at math, that's not something I'm interested in. But here's…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 08:12 PM
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I'm sorry, I think I'm just having a brain fart, but are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 07:49 PM
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This is just my two cents since I'm not interested in kids and marriage at all right now, but IMO a good captain doesn't need to be, and maybe even shouldn't be, directly involved in the minutia of day to day life, because he has a good crew. To continue the metaphor, his job is looking at the big picture and making sure the ship gets to the destination, not making sure that the galley is perfectly scrubbed. :P
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 03:20 PM
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This was my first thought. It's gonna be very difficult to find studies when any conclusion that says men are superior in some way is unacceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/15 02:43 PM
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Oh god where O.o lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 08:10 PM
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If you follow RandallWho's advice, odds are you won't end up bitter enough to swallow the hate-mongering stuff and patronizing mindset that is the actual problem with TRP. Wrong. I personally have trouble after I've gotten into the relationship, because I had followed the blue script of "she's a goddess, never do anything that could make her uncomfortable or be construed as you being in control," which is just "be a doormat" in so many words. TRP/PUA etc helps a lot of men get out of this situat…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 08:08 PM
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I personally think that women have an innate ability and understanding of this sort of manipulation, and I think they (in general) aren't even aware that they do it. It's subconscious. I don't think my SO is being intentionally malicious when she gets upset when I have something I need to go out and do by myself, but she sure as shit is manipulating me. And when she starts crying during an argument when it starts looking like she's wrong? I don't think she thought, "Ok, time to cry now, that'll …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/15 03:15 PM
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Confidence, teasing, being a tiny bit cocky, behaving as though you have other options are all good. Hearing that from someone, workout any practical advice on how to actually make it happen is useless. TRP is the first place I've seen a collection of real advice on the subject. How do people not get this. RP/PUA is the only place I've ever seen that offers tangible, actionable advice on what to actually do, instead of just Confidence, teasing, being a tiny bit cocky, behaving as though you have…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 06:51 PM
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Seriously, what the fuck. This is why I have such a hard time taking the majority of modern feminism seriously. e. Also, if the only thing your ideology can do when the topic of Masculinity/Maleness is brought up is whine about how evil, oppressive, and destructive it is, and how it ruins everything it touches (even e=mc2) then news flash...your ideology is anti-male/anti-masculinity. The only time I've ever seen feminists put Masculinity in a good light is when it positively influences women/fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/15 02:00 PM
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I personally see it most strikingly in long term relationships. This generation of men has been raised (as others have already said) to put women on a pedestal. Always put women first, and respect their choices and comforts over your own. Never expect or request women to change or work on their body for you, all bodies beautiful and having a preference is sexist. Never expect (even in a committed relationship) anything sexual of your partner, that's objectification and entitlement. Chivalry come…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/15 06:01 PM
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