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I hope you learn to stop talking about "dating strategy" at some point and learn to just treat people like people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 12:55 PM
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No, my second value says that things matter, not that sex is a marketplace and people have some kind of distinct value in that marketplace. It's a terrible, terrible metaphor for trying to understand human nature. Stop trying so hard to force your shitty lingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 02:00 PM
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You could look up the rules he follows and try to manipulate him that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 10:57 PM
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There is no "blue pill." There's no blue pill movement, there's no blue pill advice, the only people talking about a blue pill are people who heard about a red pill and thought that was worth talking about. It's not, and I shouldn't be wasting my time here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 10:56 PM
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That's what every movement is, only some of that information is true and some of it isn't. TRP's information is mostly false, and mostly presented in the most sexist, clickbaity light possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 10:54 PM
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I try to avoid this subreddit, but thank you, you made this trip reasonably decent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 10:44 PM
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Christ. There is no such thing as "sexual market value." Economics makes a shitty metaphor for sex and relationships. Some men might do better or worse depending on their exact situation -- maybe if they're more mature, or wealthier, or have worked out, or are more comfortable around women, or just meet more women than they did before. Depending on where they live and what kind of women they're looking for. But please, just throw all that TRP language in the trash where it belongs, none of it ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 10:42 PM
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Lol, where are you getting your statistics? Big law starts at 200k, brah. Same place you got the 80% number, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 02:09 PM
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Again, I'm making fun of you, you're an idiot and it's funny. I don't care. I found it mildly interesting for about five seconds when my family law professor mentioend the actual statistic (which is not 80%, as others have pointed out), but then we discussed it and everybody figured out that the statistic was totally meaningless. That's why nobody cares except stupid-ass MRAs like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 02:03 PM
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Okay, should anybody care about this fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 01:58 PM
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Again, you're making an assertion. Do you have evidence for your assertion?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 01:56 PM
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I tell you what, you pay my hourly rate, I'll review any article bullshit article you want me to review in whatever level of detail you are willing to pay for.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 01:53 PM
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But nobody cares who fiels for divorce. You're implying that women cause the divorce 80% of the time. That is what you're trying to convince us of, right? Do you have any support for this claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 01:49 PM
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Only filing for divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 01:46 PM
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You didn't cite the papers, you gave me opinion pieces and some of them cited... well, I saw a scientist, I didn't really see many studies cited, but let's say those opinion pieces cited studies. There's a difference -- a massive difference -- between a study and an opinion piece that cites one. I responded to one scientific claim from Dr. Whatshisname, a very weak one, and I tore it apart. I responded to anything in those opinion pieces that warranted a response.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 01:44 PM
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... I don't know what planet you're on where pointing out the difference between opinion articles and scientific reporting is tough guy behavior, but.... Yeah, those were opinion articles.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 01:25 PM
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You posted opinion articles, I replied to them. You didn't offer any "research," brah.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 01:07 PM
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Sure you did, you said the standard we have now is "best interest of the child". Alright, so you're saying that, when I said the standard is "best interests of the child," you think that the best interests of teh child is for women to get primary custody? Right now women get primary custody 86% of the time. Like I said, that's probably a bad thing that probably reflects some sexism. But to clarify, you really love to blur the line between "sole" and "primary" custody, and also blur the line betw…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 01:03 PM
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No common sense demonstrates what's the closest to married couple. lol, I love how your sexist bullshit always boils down to "common sense." In a healthy marriage, parents aren't fighting over time with their children and passing them off between different homes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 12:31 PM
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You're whining about proof, there is some. Refute it or shut the fuck up. You didn't give proof, you gave an opinion article with no sources and lied about it. Where are your articles showing that women getting primary custody is in the best interest of the child. I didn't say it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:16 PM
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These articles have nothing to do with "equal access," joint custody, or anything like that. They do not demonstrate any claim about what constitutes "closest to married couple." I'm not sure if equally split custody is any closer to a married couple than any other kind of custody arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:14 PM
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I actually do https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/the-real-complex-connection-between-single-parent-families-and-crime/265860/ There's a great article explaining that single motherhood is a huge risk factor for criminal children. It doesn't say anything about joint custody arrangements, or about single fathers. another https://prospect.org/health/consequences-single-motherhood/ Oh, let's see: However, our evidence shows that children in single-father homes do just as poorly as chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:00 PM
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It already has. Anyone with an IQ above room temperature can see it. Man, go to law school and tell your family law professor that, see if you can squeak by with a D. Wrong again. First off, you keep saying best interest of the child but you aren't actually stating what you based that off of. Judging by the rest of your commentary, it's based off you talking out of your ass. Second, here's a link from a feminist blog detailing feminism's organized effort to undermine shared parenting legislation…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:47 PM
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She didn't edit her comment. You're bitching at her about something I said. You can see when comments get edited, stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:23 PM
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The best interests of the child are equal access to both parents. <Source missing> The rise in single motherhood and the corresponding rise in crime rates would be a pretty strong argument against the way we do it now, Would it be? Assuming you could connect those two things causally -- do you have comparable statistics for single fatherhood? For unequal joint custody arrangements? Do you have any other statistics? Average projected income, college graduation rates, depression rates, suicide rat…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:22 PM
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I’ve provided plenty of evidence on this whole thread. Lol, okay, sure you have, now I see all the sources you linked to. Twelve in your last comment alone! Child support absolutely is used as alimony Get in front of the mirror, turn off the lights, and say it three more times, see if it comes true. feminism has a 30 year history fighting against default equal custody. I wonder why that is Dan? Well, having any default custody arrangement would be incredibly dumb, so I kind of doubt feminists ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:17 PM
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I slowly read your convoluted grammar. I did not, and still do not, understand what you said. "as his wife you're going to tell researchers" doesn't make any sense, that's not a connective phrase." I think you're implying that his wife raped him, but I can't tell. Nobody knows or cares who Warren Farrel is, I'm not going to research the context of his divorce, and I really don't care about this particular anecdote.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:06 PM
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It’s hilarious that miketrance thinks he’s provided evidence, Does he think so? /u/miketrance, you don't think you've presented any evidence of anything, do you? You just don't think you need to, right? Again, to repeat, I don't want you to give me "evidence," I've read enough of your RP blogs for a lifetime, they're super pathetic. I'm just trying to clarify -- you know you haven't provided any, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:31 AM
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... what the fuck did you just say?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 04:27 AM
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There is absolutely no reason not to have default 50-50 custody with no child support at all in this day in age. There is no default. Custody is a matter of the bests interests of the child. Bitching that the best interests of the child are not fair to the father is just more evidence that guys like you should really not be parents to begin with. Also, I'm not sure child support gets negated in a case of 50-50 custody -- I think each spouse would be required to pay the other child support at 50%…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:54 AM
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lol, you would be the type to pretend that divorce and rape are similar things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:47 AM
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Dude, do you know what usernames are?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:45 AM
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I said it, dumbass, not the other poster. I'm using "you" as shorthand for the hypothetical shit fathers you're defending. If you've never been divorced, it's the shitty RP assholes telling you that this is how divorce works.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:45 AM
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I didn’t admit I was wrong, I said that child support is used as spousal support by a biased family Court system. Oh, looking back, I get it -- when you said "that's all well and good," you didn't mean, "you've successfully proven the exact thing I asked you to prove," you meant, "even though you've successfully proven the exact thing I've asked you to prove, I'm going to move the goal posts entirely to an utterly different topic, and then ignore everything you say that even vaguely relates to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 03:44 AM
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You originally made a point about money. You admitted you were wrong, then you made another guess to try and save face, and now you're changing the topic. There is probably sexism among family court justices. It's also hard to argue that custody arrangements favoring the mother are not generally better for the children given that the mothers are usually already the primary caregivers -- especially in RP relationships when the men demand that the women stay home and care for the children instead …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:31 AM
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Why do you think your lawyer is warning you that you're going to lose? ... because you're a shit dad and the deal she's offering you is plenty?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:27 AM
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oh man, more uninformed legal guesses. Child support is calculated by a strict table... I believe in every state. Depending on details, child support may not be nearly enough to cover the raising of a child. Misappropriating child support is likely to, in many of these cases, result in major red flags. That money is for the children. If a custodial spouse misappropriates child support payments, inform your attorney, your attorney will inform the judge, and you just and watch what happens. Grab y…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 02:16 AM
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Unlike child support, which is common when divorcing couple has kids, alimony awards have always been very rare, going from about 25 percent of cases in the 1960s to about 10 percent today, said Judith McMullen, a professor of law at Marquette University. In one study of Wisconsin cases, she found it was only 8.6 percent. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-women-divorce-alimony/how-bread-winning-women-are-driving-alimony-reform-idUSKCN0T61O920151117 That's from 2015, I suspect it's dropped more …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 01:47 AM
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So is men paying alimony to women. Alimony is extremely rare. It's also *really* not a benefit compared to staying married. Alimony is for extreme cases where the marriage dramatically changes a person's lifestyle, and then the person gets used to that lifestyle to the point where divorce would cause a prohibitively jarring drop in lifestyle, like a spouse in a wealthy marriage having no independent income and potentially chosing between one unlivable sitaution and another. And in divorces with …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 01:12 AM
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God damn, the amount of straight misinformation about divorce on reddit is hilarious. bloop! study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4012696/. Oh man, everybody blames their exes for the breakdown of a marriage, and it's usually caused by the actual marriage falling apart and not by a whimsical woman just arbitrarily deciding to call a lawyer one day?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/21 01:00 AM
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From the ages of 0-5 most kids go to preschool. They don't just magically enter 1st grade at age 6. So it is as I said. I've heard of people being home schooled until they are of age to go to school, but these are a minority at least in South America and Mexico. Might be different where you live (assuming you don't live already in SA). Definitely not most. I went to preschool for two years, myself. But there are no public preschools, at least not in the US. A lot of the sources I found called "f…
/r/MGTOW20/05/19 09:08 PM
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Because the formative years of a child are 0 to 8 years old? I assume you didn't go to college before getting high school done like most people. I just looked this up -- apparently some people do mean that, but the search results are like 50:50 between that/younger and adolescence. Note that most kids aren't in school from 0-5, so you're literally bitching about a three year window where children are somewhat more likely to be around women than men. I don't know about you, but I sure as shit was…
/r/MGTOW20/05/19 02:19 PM
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who lives in this echo chamber sub even somewhat regularly can see the all of the argument you're making as things they're supposed to ignore. Okay, not sure how that's a response to anything I've said. I'm a single dad raising my 4 year old son Oh -- congrats. But you're the one who said: Literally no one here has ever promoted having children. So, again -- this sub ain't pro-fatherhood, now is it? You people just like bitching about motherhood. posts photo fo self in underpants, begs to see ot…
/r/MGTOW19/05/19 07:36 PM
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College doesn't count for reasons that should be quite obvious. Why doesn't college count? I learned plenty in college. Nowadays it's pretty hard to be a woman and not be approached in any shape or form. You just have to put yourself out there and wait for the suitors to come. The same isn't applicable to the average guy, however. Well, assuming by "women" you mean "attractive women," yeah -- but that has nothing to do with "control." Their role is passive... which is exactly the opposite of wha…
/r/MGTOW19/05/19 06:59 PM
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The thing is, we’re talking about “rational” behaviour. Do you mean that you're attempting to talk about game theory? I mean, you're not talking about game theory, you're making up bullshit and trying to sound like a pseudo-intellectual about it, but do you think that Game Theory is something you wish you were talking about? It’s rational to be cautious when there is potential for a large degree of harm to be done to you. Listen, men can hurt you too. I walk through the subway all the time, and …
/r/MGTOW19/05/19 04:15 AM
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angry Angry? What makes you think I'm angry. I'm here laughing at some dumbass on the internet. I just hope you don't act on this bullshit, you could really hurt people if any of them were stupid enough to give a shit about you. If you want to offer any modicum of evidence for any of your points, I can explain to you why it's shitty evidence. Until then, I want you to realize that you just made shit up. Truly, if you examine red pill concepts you can see the framework match reality if you are ob…
/r/MGTOW19/05/19 02:48 AM
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Pretty much the only two kinds of people I've heard talk about feminism are feminists, in law school, speaking in academic terms, and conservatives who are looking for something to attack. And they generally have very different ideas about what feminists actually think.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/18 06:54 PM
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Are you calling me an asshole? Are you trying to imply that all women are untrustworthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:50 AM
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Men, apparently. Since their sleep quality actually increases when they share the bed with their wives. Care to share a study?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:46 AM
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Sure, I meant simple principles and rules of nature. Forget your microscoping (micro coping, haha). ... what? No, nothing is simple. What do you think is simple? Nothing is simple. THere's no reason that women enjoying sex would be too complicated for nature. It made the human fucking brain. And it isn't done. Enjoying sex is the easy part. Still, there are risks, it is not evidence but sure it indicates that I'm more right than you are. What are you talking about? I presented sensible arguments…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:45 AM
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If you're the type to categorically reject everything half of all people say, I'm not quite sure what you're doing on this planet. This isn't TRP, so you can't just assume everybody here is a sexist asshole who refuses to consider the possibility that women are people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:40 AM
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And by that, I mean so rare that when one of them pops up, they write [news articles about them.](http://xenex.org/poked/passaround.php (https://news.bme.com/2006/10/28/michelle-the-pass-around-girl-the-publishers-ring/) Those aren't news, those are blog posts from blogs from inside your sad, tiny little bubble. The day the New York Times publishes a headline saying "Breaking: Woman Likes Sex," we'll talk. Not even that. Studies show that when a husband and wife sleep in separate beds, the wife'…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:34 AM
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I don't know, I'm mostly seeing "I'm a woman and I like sex" followed by "okay but you're lying and lalalala I can't hear you."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:26 AM
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It's not a CMV, he's explicitly stated that he will not be convinced.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:22 AM
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the fuck are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:21 AM
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And it was exactly how it looked in prehistoric age with humans. Bitch were you there?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:20 AM
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That's one of the saddest, stupidest posts I've ever seen on reddit. This dude could be magically transformed into a woman overnight, have sex, enjoy it, and still not believe he enjoyed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:19 AM
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Because you are intelligent and sufficient enough to obtain sexual intercourse in legal way. First of all, you don't "obtain" sex, it's not a thing. Second of all, are you implying that men who don't get laid often but still enjoy sex must decide to go around raping women?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:17 AM
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And who says dildos are so popular? Women. And businessmen and businesswomen who run companies that sell dildos and vibrators and a ton of other sex toys for women. And the investors who invest in those companies. And allllll that money they make. The market is fucking huge, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:14 AM
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Oh yeah, how do you explain the fact that there are no dick replicas, and nobody bought or ever heard of such a thing as a dildo? If women enjoyed sex, there would be dildos, vibrators, and all kinds of sex toys for women. But there is no such thing. Checkmate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:12 AM
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We don't know that because it's not true, you just made it up. You know you made it up, don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:09 AM
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I guess that's how cognitive dissonance works. You hear actual evidence, so instead of believing evidence, you just dig your heels in. I'm sorry we couldn't help you, man. I hope you see the light, somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:07 AM
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Oh come on. Male is an active element, woman a passive one. That's why (usually) man fucks woman and not other way around. This also indicates that man enjoy the process more. He is the active one. First of all: this isn't a response to the part you quoted, you just threw this in randomly. I've never heard of an animal where one gender enjoys sex and the other doesn't. Have you? Second of all: to the extent women are less active in the bedroom, it's presumably caused by deep-rooted old social no…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 01:06 AM
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I wasted a whole summer in this sub once... nothing good happens here. I really need to stay away...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 12:38 AM
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I wouldn't call him a master. He's doing it, but he's not doing it well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 12:32 AM
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Dude, women basically only experience pain if the man is way too big -- although the men experience pain too, since the woman is way too tight -- or if their hymens break, which is a whole separate thing. Why the fuck would nature discourage women from having sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 12:25 AM
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Do you know how to copy and paste a URL into Reddit? You've yet to actually provide any sources at all, and this is the first time I've seen you try to cite something.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 12:22 AM
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It's generally not supposed to be painful. There are occasions on which it's painful for women, but those are not the norm. Unless that's how she likes it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/18 12:01 AM
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When your common sense tells you something like that, you tell it to shut up and look up the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:59 PM
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They lied.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:55 PM
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... not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:45 PM
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Apples and monster trucks are different -- they're very different -- but you can compare their sizes. Monster trucks are bigger. Male and female brains are very, very, very, very similar. If you think there is a difference that would be relevant to measurements regarding pleasure, please offer some evidence to that effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:44 PM
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Why are you trying to be an asshole? What do you think you're gaining from that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:15 PM
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... who told you there were no male prostitutes?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:13 PM
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No it's not. Reading a book is escapism. Riding a roller coaster is escapism. Being fucking by two 9' dicks that hurt you while being slapped like an animal isn't escapism. Maybe not for you. It sounds like you, personally, wouldn't enjoy being fucked by two nine foot dicks. I recommend that you not get fucked by two nine foot dicks. But assuming you meant 9" -- some women enjoy it, most are not hurt by it, most are not slapped like animals (or at all), and some women (and men) enjoy being hurt …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:13 PM
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... what was the point of that reply? If you don't believe her, you don't believe her. If you don't believe anything any woman has ever said, then you don't believe them. But don't fucking say that to us, it's not going to make us want to help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:10 PM
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If only there was such a thing as science to help us discern myths from truths. If only we could find nerve endings, measure human interactions, or -- this one's crazy, but bear with me -- ask people how things felt! Nope, I guess the myths and truths are just doomed to blend together.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:08 PM
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Plenty of evidence is possible. Aside from their testimony, which is evidence, and their behavior, which is evidence, there's all the science behind it. Scientists can measure activity in various areas of the brain. And all of the science with all of the factors it measures make it quite clear that women like sex. If you believe none of that evidence, you still don't have any evidence supporting your case.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:06 PM
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But I don't want to talk about my experience or yours. I'm telling you that this is global thing, women hate sex. It is not based on anyone experience, it's not an individual thing. All experience-based and non-experience-based evidence points one way, and you keep insisting that the other way is true based on nothing. Consider having sex with a woman. Treat her right, try to help her enjoy it, be thoughtful. See if that experience changes your perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:04 PM
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Many people do not find porn stars believable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 11:00 PM
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Look at the animal world, sex is always rape there. Just not true. Rape is more common there, of course, but they also go around killing each other and eating their prey raw. They do a lot of things that people have discovered are bad ideas. So I'm not sure what your point is. Females hate sex. Oh, so you're just saying the stupid thing, now. Most animals don't really get pleasure from sex, they do it on raw instinct. Humans, I think dolphins, and a few others enjoy it. I don't believe I've hear…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 10:59 PM
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I've never been a fan of the "explicit" requirement, but I do think consent should be clear and unambiguous, if implicit. It's also worth noting that consent has to be effective -- if a person is not mature enough to give effective consent, or is under the influence of some drugs, or is under some undue influence like blackmail, consent might not be effective -- maybe that's best treated as a case-by-case question, and maybe that's where people are going to get lost in the woods, but the standar…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/18 12:16 AM
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There are still jurisdictions where spousal rape isn't rape. There are lots of jurisdictions that fuck this up in a lot of unique ways. Few of them really get it quite right by any reasonable standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 11:45 PM
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I was looking at, like, the top posts in the past month or something. This topic stood out. A normal person has this reaction only if prompted. When normal people discover TRP, yes, they think it's a disgusting, misogynistic sub that disrespects women. The fact that most of these people don't happen upon TRP is not really relevant, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 11:44 PM
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There is no such thing as bp. There are no bpers. I hate when people talk about bp like it's a thing. The debate you're talking about usually goes a little more like: Normal person: omg the redpill is a disgusting, mysoginistic sub and dis respects women, OP: ok if the redpill is do bad how come you don't offer better advice? Normal person: I don't know man, there's not that much to be said other than what I'm sure you've already read elsewhere. Honestly, dating kind of just sucks. Keep working …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/18 03:39 AM
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I wasn't being a victim, I was telling you that your advice is shitty. You offer nothing in the affirmative, you just tell him what not to do. And you blur the line between "you can't find fulfillment through other people," which is fine, and "nobody else can possibly help you" which is probably the worst advice you can give.
/r/askTRP23/12/17 12:28 PM
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Yeah, that's right -- dude comes here depressed, looking for help, and you tell him to just nut up and make himself happier. It's not like that's classically the worst response to depression ever, or anything.
/r/askTRP22/12/17 09:52 PM
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If you're not happy, then your life is not more successful, now is it? Stop doing what people tell you to do, and what seems like it works, and start doing what makes you happy -- and not in the short-term, pleasured sense, but in the long-term, fulfilled sense. Viktor Frankl talks a lot about fulfilment in Man's Search for Meaning. You may also care to study the Nicomachean Ethics by Aristotle: he says that the greatest good is the pleasure you get from contemplating a life well-lived. There's …
/r/askTRP22/12/17 09:50 PM
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Because you're aware that there's no way whatsoever you could consider changing? Because everybody in this sub is too stubborn to learn anything? Or because studies usually don't offer solutions.
/r/MGTOW10/08/17 11:44 AM
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My last post was sarcastic. I didn't presuppose shit about TRP, I started reading the bile in that sub and came to my conclusions all by myself. The "RP things" I described were extremes, but they're definitely parts of TRP. There are much subtler versions of the same crap involved. But I've never read anybody on TRP say "be taller." And TRP does not own masculinity. RP: women like masculine men. That's it. That is a pretty stupid thing to say. Most people agree that straight women tend to like …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 06:41 PM
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Well, what you might think women would find attractive then. I know, but I generally don't quite know what women would find attractive. I have some idea, but I'm surprised often enough. Right a lawyer. So a high status successful man. Makes sense women would care about these Eh. In Manhattan, that's pretty much par. Inquisition because you were trying to say that men don't have many issues, at least not nearly as women. That's not what I was trying to say. I'm trying to say that society is not b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 04:13 PM
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Other than "women are dogs, you have to tell them what to do," and "dread game, bro," and "be an alpha, don't be a beta" and crap like that? A lot of stuff, actually, but not, "I like men who are taller" or "I don't really care about height." Can you point me to anything in that thread that looks RP-like to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:02 PM
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Women ttempt suicide more often but men are more successful. Women also pick less violent, lower-risk means. This suggests many may be less resolute about the decision; maybe even be doingit as a cry for help. ... I don't understand how this supports your point. Feelings such as? Men such as? Hot men? High status successful men? Men who can casually bring up past problems they're over? I don't really think of many men as "hot," but most of the men I'm talking about are working lawyers... I don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 01:44 PM
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It's pretty obvious, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 03:42 AM
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The belief that women and men have unconscious beauty standards is antithetical to academic feminism It is? Which feminists say that? That does not sound right to me. Only the most hardcore, insane radical feminists will have an issue with what she did. Well, it would depend on a social context. If we were living in a hypothetical, magical world where appearances didn't matter at all, it would be annoying that she was making people care more about them. But in a realistic world, sometimes people…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:56 AM
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... what is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:52 AM
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I didn't see RP things being said in that thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:51 AM
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... what are you talking about? Did you read the thread? Did you notice that there were a variety of responses? The one you quoted was response number two, and it was by no means a consensus... What's more, what the fuck does it have to do with TRP? Is TRP the indisputable definition of traditional masculinity? Is anybody who says she appreciates masculinity automatically taking on everything TRP stands for?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:51 AM
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Okay... Because this conversation just kind of seems like /u/[deleted] is saying, "but sometimes he's just an asshole and I should drop his ass, right?" and you keep saying "well.......... no. never." Like you were afraid to concede, "yeah, I guess that's possible, sometimes."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:46 AM
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I didn't mean to imply that everybody did. I know people have problems. But... I have no idea what you're talking about, in terms of hostility to young men. I will agree that pointless jobs are a problem, but I don't see what that has to do with men. The men I see who have success with women are no less likely to talk about their feelings, as far as I've been able to tell. And I find it very odd that you seem to imply that men should talk less about their feelings, as though that will help with …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:40 AM
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I imagine a mentally stable person whose mind is not reliant on anything contingent. A woman who needs to be in a relationship, or else she forgets how to function, is not really strong and independent. To generalize/oversimplify: a stay-at-home mother is capable of being strong and independent from an abusive moneyed husband only because things like alimony exist. If the man is the woman's only source of income, and the woman literally needs him to survive, she is not free. If she can find a wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:31 AM
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That's a statement about pride and self-assessment, more than it is about strength and independence. Nobody's asking what you think of a woman who claims that she is strong and independent. What do you think regarding women who are?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:26 AM
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Is there ever a situation in which you'll admit that female-initiated divorce is acceptable?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:24 AM
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the men who aren't a capable leader ... is that something you think is really that important in dating? I mean, I'm not saying it's not a nice feature, but I feel like it goes under "has great hair" and "has a good car." It's also a nice quality to have in your career and stuff... but in dating? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:21 AM
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Naw, man, it's not about that. It's not about "upgrading" or settling, it's about trying to find somebody you fucking like. Don't treat it like a math problem, like, "hey, I'm a six, but if I get that promotion then I'll be able to catch an 8." Just do what you wanna do, and sometimes, she'll like you, and sometimes, she won't. That's not to say that your standards can't be too low or two high, sometimes you need to adjust them, but that doesn't mean you're in a different class, and aren't allow…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:16 AM
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It simply depends on the girl. This is the only part of the comment that I agree with. The rest of it sounds very made-up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:11 AM
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Speaking as a young man in society today, I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. The last time I faced hostility, it was from three or four assholes from my school's newspaper. Other than that, I do what I gotta do, make my money, and get along with people quite well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 02:07 AM
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Hmmm... I guess my problem is that I feel BPers use their collectivist ethics as objective to criticize RP with. I reject the term "BPers," but as a critic of TRP, yes, I use collectivist ethics to criticize TRP. I believe my ethics to be correct, and to be commonly agreeable. I further believe that most people reading TRP actually agree with me, but misunderstand (or correctly understand) the statement that "sexual strategy is amoral" to mean "forget about ethics, it's not important right now."…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 09:37 PM
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I don't think it can necessarily be said to be objectively correct though. I feel like your standard for ethical theories is, "unless it is proven so absolutely that no human being can deny its truth, we should ignore it because it's totally worthless." Can't we just talk about it, say we've arrived at some meaningful ideals if we agree on any, and if we don't, just agree to disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 09:11 PM
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But just because you believe it doesn't mean it's necessarily right. Just because a lot of people believe it doesn't mean it's necessarily right I said this myself. I know I'm not proving myself right, but at least I'm making a point. which is the is/ought. No, is/ought is something like, "we should try to make everybody as happy as possible because that is desirable." Well, that really doesn't tell you why we should do it at all, now, does it? But further, I guess really, I don't how see how yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 08:56 PM
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That's a good question. I think the answers are no and yes, respectively, but I'm really not sure. I'm also not sure how it relates to this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:05 PM
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My ethics have nothing to do with any sort of supernatural faith. I believe you're talking about the is-ought fallacy. That being, a mere description of the world generally cannot translate into a reasoning of how the world should be. This fallacy is usually a trap utilitarians fall into, and makes ethics difficult, but does not prevent us from finding answers in ethics, let alone from making educated guesses. Whether I can tell you definitively what is right or wrong is separate from whether it…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 04:22 AM
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As a collectivist -- ethics is not a description of the world as it is, but as it should be. We should cooperate more than we do. I admit that people can be selfish quite often; my point is that they should not be. An egoist's task is not only to show that people are selfish, but that they should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 02:07 AM
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Sure, but such an ethical viewpoint is pretty extreme and rare. I think most of the people going into trp start with more traditional ethics and shift towards a more accommodating mindset as the advice wears them down.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 01:09 AM
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I find the ways they respond to this logic hilarious. They try to draw a line at rape not being a sexual strategy, or just say "rape is wrong so it doesn't count"... or they stuff their fingers in their ears and say, "lalalalala, trp doesn't encourage rape, we're not going to have any discussion with the word rape in it, lalalalala."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 12:34 AM
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"Murder" is one of few words that represents something that is wrong, whether or not your morals allow a given type of killing. That is because murder is defined as wrongful killing. With extreme morals, murder might not be possible. But it is still, by definition, wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 12:32 AM
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TRP answers with something that is technically correct, "Knowledge of Sexual Strategy is amoral" but there is a mismatch between what TRP says in retort and what TBP is contending. Exactly. TRP is not pure scientific curiosity, it is active encouragement. I'd really be shocked to find a TRP post that read, "here's a very effective way to manipulate women, but you shouldn't do it because it's wrong."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 12:30 AM
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First, I always assumed sexual strategy is amoral to be shorthand for knowledge of sexual strategy being amoral. I think many do, so you may have a lot of agreement already. If that is the point, there is certainly a lot of confusion about it, and the TRP mods don't seem particularly concerned about clearing that up. There are certainly a lot of people in that sub thinking, "alright, whatever I gotta do in the name of getting laid, I gotta do, no harm no foul, just business." I've never seen any…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 12:28 AM
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Let's clarify something. "Amoral" does not refer to an action, or anything. "Amoral" refers to a person or mindset, and it means "without morals." That is to say, without any worry about what is good or bad. A corporation is probably amoral, as its primary concern is to make money, not to be good or evil. Since there is no concern about good or evil, a person who is amoral will, generally, do evil things, and can thus be thought of as an evil person. What they're trying to say is that sexual str…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/15 12:24 AM
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None of those schoolchildren knew the term "subjunctive scaling." None of them. The claim of confidence wasn't, "look, I know why 2+2=5!" It was, "Yeah, sure I know what those two random words mean, of course, I know everything, why would you ask?"
/r/MensRights12/07/15 12:57 PM
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What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure nobody has ever told anybody not to go to the gym. There do exist women who like the dad bod, just like, among men, there exist chubby chasers. But you don't have to subscribe to TRP's woman-hating philosophy to recognize that being less fat and stronger is generally a good idea (although body builders are probably an extreme). You don't have to spend every second specifying "nawalt." It's just an assumption sane people make when they're having convers…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 11:39 AM
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"Work out," is good advice, and it works. "Recognize that women are all just divorce rapists and xyz who love dread game" is not good advice. Some TRP advice is (coincidentally) good. A lot of it is really, really bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 11:29 AM
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TRP only applies to dogs? What the actual fuck? TRPers have frequently been noted as comparing women to dogs and being upvoted wildly for it. If you think of women as human, I don't know how you're still falling for that shit. And then we have Blue Pill saying Red Pill is common advice. Blue pill doesn't say anything. Blue pill is not anything. What you call "blue pill" is just "everybody who hasn't fallen for one particular type of bullshit."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 12:55 AM
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Stop talking about TBP as though it's a real movement. It's not. Saying "everybody who isn't TRP" implies that less than 95% of the world is in that group. TRP doesn't talk about "average," it talks about "all." Of course, they occasionally disclaim that by saying: "'all' doesn't mean 'all,' it means 'most,' which really means 'some.'" But you guys never actually talk about "some" or "average." You deal in extremely broad generalizations. Because you're wrong. I can't even parse your thoughts cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/15 12:25 AM
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Neither of those things really has any bearing on the morality of an attempted lie. Granted, they help us interpret the story some.
/r/seduction06/10/14 12:39 PM
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You reaaallly have not convinced me to do more work to find out more about your bullshit.
/r/seduction06/10/14 12:31 AM
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Well, it's not clear he actually meant for her to believe him. That would make it okay for me... But it's not clear.
/r/seduction05/10/14 03:27 PM
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Well... Did he mean for her to believe that they'd met before, or was he just making obvious jokes? "Playfully dishonest" still leaves the issue ambiguous. Was he lying, or was he just fucking around?
/r/seduction05/10/14 03:26 PM
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Read your bandler! Who? Essence of nlp is manipulation. Essence of what? Now there are dudes that will take your money with it and there are dudes that will heal themselfs or others with it. What? How do you heal yourself with manipulation? Not that it matters -- you're still manipulating people -- but what the hell are you talking about? It is what you do with it not what it is! Okay, so we're back to completely ignoring my point and making empty moral arguments, gotcha. because it seems to go …
/r/seduction05/10/14 03:18 PM
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I don't think holding a purse would necessarily count as a shit test, but it sounds like your point is that you shouldn't treat a woman you're attracted to differently than anyone else, as that would be abusive or manipulative. That's so completely wrong though. We treat lots of people differently based on how we want to be perceived. That's called social calibration and we do that naturally. As you suggest, women aren't computer programs with bugs you can exploit, they're people that get turned…
/r/seduction05/10/14 02:44 PM
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I'm confused. She told you she wants to fuck you, and you asked her what she's doing? You have a decent idea of what she might be doing. It sounds like you're trying to make small talk when she's ready to skip ahead. Don't be subtle about it. She might be busy or something. How long has it been since your text?
/r/seduction05/10/14 12:39 PM
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Sweet, then that's your strategy, more power to you. It is absolutely not my strategy, or any strategy at all. But some guys want to go out and have fun with the goal of picking up chicks. The goal is fine, but the means are not (well, at least not always). None of this is mind control, it's just learning how to be more charismatic and sexually forward. What does being charismatic and sexually forward entail? And how do you decide to be that way -- only to get others to do what you want them to …
/r/seduction05/10/14 12:36 PM
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Do you have any basis for your claim, or are you just saying it? Generally, when you say "it is what you do with it," it sounds like the shitty justifications for murder I've heard: the act is just an act, and it's only the result -- whether you've killed a person who would have done good or done bad -- that might make the act of murder good or evil. Do you think that way, too? To be clear, manipulation is bending another person to your will, usually by some sneakier (less honest) method than pr…
/r/seduction05/10/14 11:52 AM
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I'm trying to look for decent, morally acceptable advice. Or maybe just find out what I'm doing wrong, so I can be aware while I continue to do it. But mostly, I've just seen a bunch of assholes circlejerking about frame or whatever nonsense words you've come up with to justify controlling women.
/r/seduction05/10/14 11:46 AM
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When a man wants to be with a woman, he acts a certain way to facilitate that. That's his strategy, his game. Sometimes it's conscious, sometimes less so. When it's conscious, directed, and manipulative strategy, it is a game. When it is the way you behave because it's who you are and what you want to do, it is not a game. What you do is playing people. You have goals, and you try to get the other people to do what you want them to do, and think what you want them to think, and feel what you wan…
/r/seduction05/10/14 04:04 AM
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Even the "just be yourself" guys are running a kind of nice-guy game. I don't mean it as a game, and anybody who does doesn't mean it. Don't play a game. Just be who you are. But what matters is what works, not what sounds good idealistically. No, what matters is what is right, what is morally acceptable, not whether it "works" at an undisclosed objective or whether it sounds good idealistically. Mercenaries make good money, but they kind of go around killing people. Would you like to be a merce…
/r/seduction05/10/14 02:19 AM
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I have no idea what you're talking about. What I know is that you didn't make an empty argument, or any at all.
/r/seduction05/10/14 01:13 AM
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To manipulate is to move. Not bad, not good, its just movement. Oh. See, I didn't know that because it wasn't true. Maybe if you say it 5-9 more times it will be. Probably not, but you can try it.
/r/seduction05/10/14 01:10 AM
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If you are doing something that most people like, you aren't a dick. TIL morality is just about getting people to like you. Damn, I wasted all that time I spent studying ethics in philosophy classes, and all this time I'm spending in law school, when I could have known that the definitions of right and wrong lie in whether you're popular or not.
/r/seduction05/10/14 12:59 AM
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That's a good question, and it reminds me of the practical dilemma of being a good person. While there is no doubt that you should be a good person, what if society inherently favors the dicks? Should you be a dick because of that? Should you be more of a dick? Of course, it's not quite the same, as the people who are naturally good with women aren't necessarily dicks, while the people who are dicks are. The answer I want to give you is that there shouldn't be a "right" strategy... but to some e…
/r/seduction05/10/14 12:29 AM
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Which is just a dumb misconception for the most part. Some people certainly believe it, but pickup is mostly about learning the strategies and tactics that will increase your chance of success with women. ... aka cheap tricks. Love shouldn't be strategy, it should arise out of the way two people naturally are and want to interact with one another. Everything you do differently for the purpose of attracting somebody than you would if you were just being yourself is inescapably dishonest and manip…
/r/seduction04/10/14 11:57 PM
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What do you do? Hmmm... I'm handsome. Oh. That. That's a good one, I'll have to write that down.
/r/seduction14/09/14 04:19 AM
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When a girl asks you what do you do be descriptive. If you're an accountant don't just say it flat out. Say " I account for the financial transactions and activities that occur in the company I work for " If you work in the medical field " I use my medical skills to help people in need during medical situations " Those are two of the worst sentences I have ever read. What the hell are you talking about? Those aren't descriptive. You just took job titles and added grammar to them until they were …
/r/seduction14/09/14 04:17 AM
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Okay, let me explain my problem to you: I have women who are friends. Real friends, as you described. I'm attracted to some of them, but as far as I can tell, none of them are attracted to me. I am not resentful toward any particular friend. I enjoy each friendship individually. But the aggregate effect sucks. This is the problem I identify with when I hear "friend zone." Not the odd strawman of a dickbag who hates his friend and whose friend hates him all because all he wants is to get his dick…
/r/seduction14/09/14 04:13 AM
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Well, no more often than false murder accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 03:03 PM
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I still say it's self-deprecating humor.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 01:01 PM
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So there is little support for the 2% factoid. Still not sure why we're saying that. he casts some shadow on it, but the support is there. And then he cites other studies that support 2%. He characterizes this as less than complete support, but the support is there. And lots more support for higher numbers. No. At least, not as much as there is for 2%. Look again at that table of his, where the studies around 2% have much larger sample sizes than studies with higher numbers, and many of the stud…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/14 01:07 AM
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I've given you two sources now that demonstrate how and why it is a factoid with little support. The first one doesn't really demonstrate much, as far as I've noticed. The second one is better, but doesn't quite say what you seem to think it says, as I've expressed. That said, it does cast some shadow on the validity of the 2% statistic on page 146, in the middle paragraph. It reads a little tinfoil-hattish, but the point is there, finally. That last one I gave, estimates the figure at 8 - 10% g…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 09:44 PM
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It doesn't have much support in the first place. Its a factoid. Okay, do you have any support for your claim that it didn't have much support? Do you have any source you can cite illustrating this deficiency in support? Or are you just saying that? I see, you didn't say it twelve times, thats a lie. It was an exaggeration. I said it more than once. But I shouldn't be surprised that somebody from TRP doesn't listen to you the first time you say something. Remind me, how many times does a woman ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 08:14 PM
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Like Zimmerman walked away? While that's better than the alternative, it's clear enough that avoiding such a situation in the first place is even more so. But Zimmerman wasn't a he-said she-said, it was a tricky case with real evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 07:01 PM
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I'm drawing logical conclusions from what you're saying. No, you aren't. I'd say you're making strawman arguments, but they're more non-sequitirs. I am saying that you should never pay attention to TRP. You're saying that means a bunch of things it doesn't come close to meaning. Stop making shit up and acting like it's logic. Do you know what logic is?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 06:59 PM
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... what? What are you asking me? To be clear, my comment was sarcastic: TRP does nothing but make blanket statements to pander to their own prejudices. I don't know what you want to know -- is what okay? And what the fuck is blue pill advice? The only "blue pill advice" I know of is that TRP is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 06:57 PM
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You earlier pointed out that legal academics repeat the factoid yourself. ... I don't mean one instance of the fact that legal academics say it, I mean one instance of a legal academic saying it without support. Read the source I gave you, yourself. I looked. As I've said twelve times, I can't seem to find them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 02:03 PM
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My sister works in that area, it's such an exciting and emerging field. Also - outside of electronic media - female heavy, especially in human rights areas. My tech degree is in CS, I'm a patent/software guy. Exciting, not female-heavy. I see a few women at professional events here and there, but mostly at the ones that relate less and less to my job, and more and more to the general legal career. I imagine this will happen less after I've graduated.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 01:27 PM
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In this case they are citing an unsupported factoid. Can you point me to one instance of this? Various gov and independent research. There are examples in the paper I gave you. Can you point me specifically to some of those examples? I can't seem to find them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 01:24 PM
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Intellectual property law. Between that and work... We'll see what I have time for. I'm more interested in an LTR than anything. And the fact that I'm currently still commuting from home is an issue, but that might change... Point being, my life, like many peoples' lives, is complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 12:27 PM
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That's just a consensus among legal academics, due to repetition of the factoid. Legal academics need to cite something for every point they make. They cited research. And they have a consensus. That's a consensus. He admits the consensus, and says it's just a conspiracy. The real consensus is to be found in research. I assume you mean non-legal research. So please, tell me, what research do you have that refutes the claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 12:25 PM
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Good thing nobody on TRP makes those statements. Good thing they're not literally every single word that comes out of every TRPer's mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 12:24 PM
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your only criteria for advice is that it isn't TRP. Stop putting words in my mouth. I'm saying, right now, that TRP is bad advice. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that advice is good if it isn't TRP -- show me one fucking place I said that and I'll concede this whole damn debate to you. You base your recommendations on nothing other than "avoid this thing". No, you still don't get it. My recommendation is "avoid this thing." Assertions without substance. You've provided no evidence for tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 12:23 PM
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Hmmm... I'll agree with 2 and 3 wholeheartedly. But for 1 -- I guess it depends on how drunk she is. And for 4, I suppose it depends on what kinds of signs she is showing, and how closely you followed 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 12:18 PM
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He doesn't admit a huge consensus saying its 2%. See part IIA, page 949. Particularly: It is indisputably true that, largely [because of this conspiracy], there now exists a consensus among legal academics that only two percent of rape complaints are false. He is talking about feminists - people that lie with stats all time. But he doesn't actually do anything to explain how he knows it's a lie. He just kind of talks about the conspiracy. The police and independent researchers are the consensus.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 12:16 PM
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Yes. Okay... but you know she doesn't just have to prove you had sex, but also that there was no consent, beyond a reasonable doubt, right? You know he-said she-said will end with you walking away, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 12:12 PM
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I'm 24, entering my last year of law school. I know that women are people (unlike much of TRP, from what I can tell). You make a whole lot of assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 12:11 PM
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Why do you think women feel this way?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 12:01 PM
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Well, personally, I still go to school, so I'm fine. My point was just that you oversimplified things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 12:01 PM
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I never said I was helpless, but it's not always as easy as you imply it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 11:50 AM
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You aren't worried about the quality of the advice, so how do you even know what's "shit" advice and what isn't? I'm perfectly worried about the quality of the advice. That's why I'm worried about TRP -- because it's extremely low-quality advice. I do not think of whether or not it tells you to "approach" to be a definitive sign of whether it is right or wrong. Maybe it is a definitive sign -- we can debate that after we've resolved that TRP is a pile of bullshit. and literally nothing else to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 02:56 AM
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Unfortunately there are non judicial responses to such accusations that don't adhere to the same standards of evidence. But we're back to the fact that the rates of false accusation are the same. People hate on accused murderers too. Look at George Zimmerman. And there are as many accused murderers. So I'm still confused: what's the issue? Do you think you're more likely to be found guilty if you're innocent, or more likely to be accused, or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 02:52 AM
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I'm going to be in ambiguous circumstances more often regarding sex than violence. But... we're back to something I wouldn't call false accusation. If it's obvious you have her consent, but she lies, that's a false accusation. If it's ambiguous, it's not -- you might be innocent, but it's not a lie. If a sex partner claims rape and a random stranger claims murder, which of those two has more evidence in their favor? Oh, so you're saying a false accusation of rape is more worrisome than a false a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 02:37 AM
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Go find some set of advice that isn't shit. It might tell you to approach, it might not -- I'm not worried about that right now. I just want to make sure you're not giving TRP any weight or attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 02:34 AM
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No it didn't. Unemployment ... [has] fallen since the 60s. ... because there are almost twice as many people in the work force. You're kind of comparing apples and oranges. I'd say the economy is doing better if almost twice as large a portion of society is working. Yes, there are some growing pains, but I think women working is unambiguously a good thing for the economy -- we have twice as much of an extremely valuable scarce resource. 3) Wow. Cause drinking age is totally a big gender issue th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 02:31 AM
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Yeah, I guess I would say those are both false accusations. But... I'm far more likely to be having sex than I am to be in circumstances where a false murder charge would be filed. This doesn't change what the studies say: you are equally likely to be falsely accused of each. And B can still say you stabbed A even if you were nowhere near A when he got stabbed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 02:18 AM
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It means any. Don't follow any RP dating advice. Ignore all of it. Pretend it never happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 02:17 AM
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These sound like relatively careful and responsible guidelines to me. That is to say: you don't have to go this far, although it's a good set of ideas -- you're not automatically guilty of rape if you are a little less careful, and you still probably won't be falsely accused -- but, hey, if you want to be more careful, here's how.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 02:13 AM
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I understand if you can't, but can you give us an example of a blatantly false accusation? I kind of just want to make sure you're not talking about situations like, "she admitted she was drunk, lol doesn't she know it's never rape if you're drunk?" or "She admitted he was her boyfriend, your boyfriend can't rape you, lolol." I'd give you the benefit of the doubt, but I've seen a lot of places where TRPers clearly don't know what rape is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 02:10 AM
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So you managed to find one person, in the past two decades of legal theory, who claims that one particular statistic on which he admits there is a huge consensus, is in fact a conspiracy, and offers... does he offer any support for his claim? I tried tracing footnote 12 to section IV... that didn't work... I'm looking through this thing, and while he's casting doubt with a few of the standard tools for questioning any statistics, I'm not seeing him actually refute anything at any point. Can you …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 02:07 AM
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Hmmm... This is interesting. My instinct is that consent is closer to the definition of rape than self-defense to the definition of murder. I suppose there's also... If I stabbed you in self-defense, and they claimed that what I did didn't count as self-defense, that's not a false accusation. But it is a false accusation if they say you never attacked me -- they're lying about what happened. If she lies about what happened -- says she kicked and screamed when in fact she said yes happily and wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 02:04 AM
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You can assure yourself that there are circumstances in which a person is justified in stabbing another person. Those circumstances could easily result in a false murder accusation. I don't think you call it a false murder accusation if the person did it, but was justified. If I killed somebody in self defense, and it went to trial, I wouldn't say I was falsely accused, I'd say it was self-defense. Technically, it's not murder, but I think "false" usually means "I didn't do the thing they said I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 01:47 AM
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"Don't follow any TRP advice" does not mean the same thing as "be intentionally contrary to every little thing they say." You guys are bound to have gotten a couple of things right by accident.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 01:43 AM
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TRP is definitely fueled by selection bias. http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2buqw4/to_what_extent_is_trp_based_on_the_following/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 01:31 AM
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/u/vornash1: I don't believe that most women consciously engage in any sexual strategy. /u/Phokus: Sure they do! Consider the fact that they engage in Hypergamy and these other sexual strategies we made up! There, proof that they do those things!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 01:29 AM
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He wasn't talking about himself, he was talking about some men in the abstract. Not every man works with a ton of women. I personally work from home all but one day a week, and on that one day, have a grand total of two female co-workers, neither of whom I'm interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 01:07 AM
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... taking a brief look, it seems like somebody beat you to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 01:02 AM
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... who says that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 12:59 AM
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I'm pretty sure people who refer to themselves as involuntarily celibate do so as a joke. Celibacy, as a concept, is pretty intentional.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/14 12:58 AM
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hot, fit women look hot and fit without photoshop, or makeup, or good lighting. My point is not that photoshop makes hot women look hot, it's that it makes hot women look impossibly hot -- literally. It sets a standard and norm of beauty that a person cannot reach without injuring herself. The fact that you use the hottest models you find, spend hours on their makeup, and spend thousands on the lighting, is all relatively fine (I don't like it, but I realize that I'm on a fringe). But the fact t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 02:00 AM
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I think a little pressure is great if it results in less diabetes, lower blood pressure, increased life expectancy, and prettier ladies. A little, sure... It sounds like a whole lot of fucking pressure, to me. It sounds like, if you start to gain a little weight, you're ostracized from society like a pariah. Well, maybe it doesn't sound that bad... but I would say we have a little pressure in the US today. We could do with a little more, but Japanese culture still totally scares me. What's more,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/14 01:50 AM
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He's like an extremely incompetent libertarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 12:40 PM
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Just because there's a subtext in which models are thin, smiling, and attractive, Models being that way is fine, but when the picture is not of the model, or of any real thing in the world, we kind of have an issue. You don't see how "Kate Upton is insanely hot as far as real people go, but let's make her thinner to the point where she would die if we actually tried making her that thin, so people can hate themselves for not looking quite that good and buy our, I don't know, beer, or whatever." …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/14 11:41 AM
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By "stolen and alienated" you mean "placed primarily in the custody of the more fit parent," the answer is "because he's still a fucking parent." If you want to not provide for your kids, you have three options: become a complete bum who couldn't possibly be made to pay because he does not have any way of paying, die, or don't have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 07:46 PM
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I'm describing the majority of a niche, right? And that niche is the niche we're debating in this subreddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 06:57 PM
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... most people like pie. Where did I say that I liked pie, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 06:56 PM
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What does that have to do with anything, if the parent can provide for the child whether or not the child is there? Why are you only responsible for children in your custody? Why do you get to stop paying for your children if you decide to abandon them?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 06:54 PM
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Alimony is very rare nowadays. One of the cases where it's less rare is where only one spouse is the breadwinner, and the other is a homemaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 04:09 PM
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Child support should only be awarded only in some specific cases, in fact welfare would be preferable. ... what, why? Why do the children deserve less when their parents get divorced?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 04:08 PM
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Alright. So you move in together and start to share all your stuff. What happens now, if you break up? Does the larger spouse just push the smaller spouse out onto the street? Unless there's some fucked-off commonlaw marriage law in your state, problem solved. I'm pretty sure every state has a common law marriage doctrine. This is typically hard to believe, but "consider yourselves married" and holding yourself out to others (your friends, your family) as married are two of the big factors in de…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 04:06 PM
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Or get a prenup if you think there's something wrong with the typical deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 04:03 PM
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You don't require it. You just seem to consistently prefer it, and support that reference in your echo chamber.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 04:02 PM
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I haven't drank a can of soda since probably 2002. It was hard at first, but I replaced it with sugarless seltzer, and I haven't looked back since. I very rarely drink soda. The main context in which I do is when I'm drinking -- I like a good whiskey ginger. I'd be happier doing that if they hadn't, what, tripled the sugar in ginger ale in the past couple of decades? Something stupid like that? But still, I don't drink much. I agree with you that drinking soda is pretty much always a bad idea. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:52 PM
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Throw away all your cakes and ice cream. Lol -- I haven't had cake or ice cream more than once in a blue moon for about five years, and I have small amounts when I do, and let me tell you, that's not all it takes to lose weight. You seem to think it's a lot easier to lose weight than it is. If that's all it takes for you, then consider yourself particularly lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:42 PM
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As in, if we are going to try to 'correct' this issue we need to teach people to love themselves no matter what anyone else says or does. I agree here... But I don't think it would hurt to teach us all to love one another in spite of superficial traits, either. I generally am not rude or disrespectful to people based on their weight or physical factors. However, I will not be as attracted to them. Some of them interpret that as disrespect because they see me being attracted to others, but that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:38 PM
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Why are all the messages about people being "less superficial", revolve around an obese woman protagonists? They don't, always, but I suppose there is a tendency. I suppose the obese woman's plight in light of the superficial is one of the hardest, or perhaps that it best prepares them to tell their story. I don't see the problem. The main message is clearly about fat women are/should be beautiful. ... Well, no, it's not. I don't know why you're saying that, the comic never said or implied that …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:19 PM
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Do you realize that our democracy is not anarchy, and that we do still have laws? Do you think false advertising laws are appropriate? Why can't this be seen as an extension of them? to make harmless advertisements I'm talking about harmful advertisements. If people weren't free ... to make ... advertisements, you'd be illiterate, shackled in a stable, and wearing a burka from head to toe. ... what? without futilely complaining at societies sensibilities It's not futile, and it'd probably be mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:14 PM
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why should we "reward" the obese through lying? (fat acceptance) I do not consider acceptance to be a reward, but a standard. I accept you until you do something wrong. I do not know that you have done something wrong if I don't know you, no matter how large you are. So I accept you, at least until we get to know one another. Obesity is food addiction Survival is food addiction. Ghandi managed to cure himself of this addiction, temporarily -- there are a few others among us who have -- but we al…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:09 PM
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... there's a reason Nietzche is on the fringe. Not everything that people don't love about you is your fault. And not everything that brings you pleasure is wrong. People are more complex than Nietzche gives them credit for and he really has no basis for anything he says -- he just says it in a way that sounds compelling to people who already happen to agree. My point is not that he's inherently wrong, by any stretch, but that you can't even come close to convincing me by appealing to his autho…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:05 PM
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I appreciate hearing that. I'm a little sick going through all these replies...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 01:15 PM
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Interesting. It sounds more "passive-aggressive" than "passive," and quite sad, to me, but I guess it works... It kind of reminds me of Chinese women and bound feet. Going to potentially ridiculous ends for social acceptance based in a superficial trait. I think society is better without such pressure. How common are eating disorders in Japan?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 01:14 PM
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But that's a relatively mature way to be, and it bothers many people until they come to that point. See: American Pie.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:21 AM
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Maybe that was Jerkface's point, to be charitable: sex is a big deal to the people who aren't having any because they tend to wrap up their self-worth in it, but those who do have sex will more quickly come to this realization.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:20 AM
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but it doesn't contribute to my life fulfillment at all But it does to your "happiness," and perhaps some to your "self-worth," right? Fulfillment is a distinct thing, having to do with knowing that you've done good. Sex clearly won't help with that. But if you're not having any sex, that might negatively affect your self-image, and likely more than it should.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:19 AM
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Sex is more important. Well I don't know about whether it is, but it is perceived as more important, particularly among people who aren't having it, so yes: things that keep you from getting laid will negatively affect your happiness. But focusing on the things that are actually more important will lead to a more profound happiness and fulfillment in the long run -- we just have to educate people about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:17 AM
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Well no offense, but I think you missed the point of the comic, entirely. I think your point and mine are closer than you think. The problem isn't the standards of beauty we place on women. Well, to some extent it is. That wasn't really a focus of the article, but it's there. The first two panels seem to reflect at least the standards women perceive and place on themselves. But I agree it's not the main point of the comic, and that the main point -- and more important point -- is that we place l…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:15 AM
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I'm not talking about some debt, I'm talking about basic human fucking decency. Every person deserves some amount of respect for being a person. That person has the right, by virtue of birth, to not have you shoot him in the head for no reason. That person has the right, by virtue of birth, to not have you harass him until he kills himself because you don't fucking like fat people. He does not have to work to earn that right. He does not have to give you something first in exchange for that righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:07 AM
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Find me the person whose genetics allows them to consume more calories than they burn without resulting in weight gain. Find me a place where I fucking said that such a person existed. You know people have different rates of metabolism, right? And that these vary wildly by a large number of "non-exercise factors," to quote a study from a TRPer elsewhere in this thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:03 AM
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Yup. I realize that homosexual men are overrepresented in the industry, but if you're going to say "dominated," you have to say what you mean, offer some hint of evidence, and you have to show how it makes /u/homo_homini_lupus's comment less stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 03:00 AM
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We agree on the cause. It's way more calories in than calories out over a long period of time. This is driven by fast food, automobile culture, soft drinks, huge portions, etc. I don't see how the red/blue difference is that relevant. Many people in this thread are blaming obesity on people who say it's okay to be fat. I am making the assumption that those people are more common in blue states, and pointing out that, at a glance, that just doesn't seem to be true. Childhood. Well, children make …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 02:57 AM
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... I... what? I was making a joke at TRP's expense, it wasn't meant to be racial in any way (albeit class based). I'm making fun of TRP's (inconsistent) insistence that everything about you is a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 02:36 AM
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i.e. our environment is so lavish, and resources so abundant, we are literally disadvantaged? Well, in the contest of staying thin. Not in the context of health, even. We are so privileged to be Americans, we can't control stuffing our faces with sugary sweets? I didn't say we couldn't control it. But it's harder. It's significantly harder, considering the god damn amount of sugar in one god damn can of soda. There are much more environmental factors than the food we have available. There's the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 02:33 AM
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You're crazy if you think it's pure genetics that victorias secret models achieve their bodies via some genetic lottery. Oh. Did I say it was pure genetics? Or did I merely say it was not a pure choice? It's insulting that you didn't read my argument at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 02:27 AM
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Find me a study that says genetics and environmental factors don't affect weight, and I will give up this whole damn argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 02:25 AM
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Or some of us have less money than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 01:54 AM
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It was a joke, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/14 12:01 AM
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Funny, the original comment makes it sound an awful lot like 100.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 11:06 PM
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I agree. Let's conduct the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 10:59 PM
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Well, I kind of went off on a tangent about gender, but the main thing: there are factors other than resting metabolic rate and exercise that make huge differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 10:53 PM
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This particular string of comments extends from a joke, but... which is that it is within one's power to avoid being fat, by controlling one's diet and exercise. I mean, at some point, sure. But if that point is starving yourself, it isn't really any healthier, now is it? You are always capable of eating less energy than you use, but doing so and getting basic nutrition at a reasonable price is trickier, and trickier still if you want to eat something other than insects, seaweed, and asparagus.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 10:48 PM
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The comment is made of nothing but generalizations and bullshit. Even if we said none of it was made up, the generalizations get weaker and weaker each one you use. If you were to say that voters voted for Obama, and voters are men, and all voters are white, you'd eventually have enough words together to "prove" that Romney voted for Obama... Unless you know how to parse generalizations, composition fallacies, and the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 10:42 PM
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... So 100% of fashion is gay men, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 10:37 PM
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You fail to recognize the difference between "less" and "not at all."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 10:34 PM
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Total daily energy expenditure varies several-fold in humans, not due to variation in resting metabolic rate, diet-induced thermogenesis, or exercise thermogenesis, but rather, due to variations in nonexercise activity. A variety of factors impact nonexercise activity, including occupation, environment, education, genetics, age, gender, and body composition, but little is known about the magnitude of effect. It's certainly a tricky question. Particularly, the effect of gender doesn't seem to com…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 10:17 PM
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Yeah -- I see the proliferation of fast food and soda as a huge environmental factor here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 10:13 PM
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Looks like std dev is about 30 kcal. Morning is, afternoon a bit higher. It's interesting. I'd like to know how it correlates to current weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 10:12 PM
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It's a damn hypothetical. :/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 09:34 PM
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Maybe you blame yourself? Not to make assumptions, but do you feel you became fat as a result of laziness or overeating that you could have controlled?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 09:33 PM
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You know, a lot of the time, when people go very hungry, their stomachs swell up from the lack of food. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation. I guess those fatasses are at fault for living such a fucking unhealthy lifestyle. Fuck those hamster children, they should go to a fucking gym and get a fucking life, amirite? edit: for those who don't understand humor: this was a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:58 PM
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and environmental factors
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:57 PM
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The woman on the left looks like she probably worked out some. She might work out a lot, she might have the diet you imply, but it's not really clear. It's not clear at all that the woman on the right did anything wrong. She might go to the gym. She might eat fine. It's a bit of a stretch to say that two people could look like those two women with the same lifestyle. But the story you told was quite made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:56 PM
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I'm just saying to try to change the way you look at it. Maybe just a little bit. Maybe, if two women are both pretty hot, and one is a little bit hotter but also a complete bitch, and one is not quite as hot but a fucking saint, try to consciously tell yourself to go with the decent human being. Do this more and more, as much as you reasonably can, and the world will, bit by bit, be a better place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:52 PM
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Damn. Your username is a lie, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:49 PM
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uh... I... uh... no?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:46 PM
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Something like 90% of peoples basal metabolic rate falls in a 250 kcal range. Really? Per day? Source? Anyway, I imagine it's largely also a question related to diet and tastes: Asians actually have lower bmr's on average than other races. And perhaps they have less taste for cheese and fatty or overly sweet foods, and are satisfied with less on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:45 PM
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Right. I understand why advertisers do it. I don't understand why we allow them to, considering the damage it does to our society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:43 PM
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However, people's perception of their own value is NOT the responsibility of anyone but themselves. Meaning, if you feel worthless, that is on you. I don't agree here. People make fun of people. People show love to people. Each of us inevitably base our self-image on how others treat us. I've been praised for not doing that -- but it's not true, even I do that, if relatively less. It's unavoidable. I am in favor of telling people their self-esteem is not a function of the way they are valued by …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:42 PM
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If big really was beautiful, you wouldn't need to tell everyone it was. I don't personally agree with that message: rather, I like to focus on the message that beauty is a superficial quality, and we should downplay it and focus on qualities that matter more, like your values, as much as we can.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:36 PM
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Well, bit by bit. For one, we could do something about the use of photoshop in advertisements. At least require that, when a picture or video has been altered, there be some sort of disclaimer easily visible explaining that the person pictured is not physiologically possible. And two, we can continue to spread a message that all people should be treated with a certain base level of respect -- that principle tends to go well everywhere it's applied. And we could stop with hate speech toward fat p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:35 PM
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She made things up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:30 PM
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It's quite clear that you don't recognize that genetics and environmental factors affect weight, and that it isn't this pure choice you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:30 PM
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She is absolutely disgusting. You mean, visually. Your judgment is superficial and shallow. I think you're disgusting for making such a judgment. Should I congratulate her for getting a useless degree in some bullshit wxmen studies and amassing a gigantic debt to be offloaded to the nearest schmuck she can mange? The only part of that that has any basis in the comic is "degree." Nobody said it was in women's studies, nobody said it was useless, nobody said she took out a massive debt (or any at …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:28 PM
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It's because they eat a huge number of calories from highly processed food (especially carbs) and never exercise. Yeah -- but that's not because people are okay with weight issues. Actually, America's weight issues are deeper in redder states, whereas the bluer ones -- full of femenazis and hipsters -- are relatively fine. I'd argue that the main source of the weight epidemic you're worrying about is the American food industry (and advertising industry) and its piss-poor regulation -- soda, fast…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:19 PM
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so everyone must change their preferences It appears you didn't read my original post. I'm trying to delineate between what you personally find attractive, and what we fucking do about it. Nobody's saying "everybody has to find this woman sexy now," we're saying "shit, there's something wrong with our society, given the way we treat people who don't look as good." the media must stop showing attractive people No, but it's kind of annoying when every character in a TV show is inexplicably good-lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 08:03 PM
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who does nothing to improve herself who would have to lift weights a LOT and be eating almost all lean protein Neither of these was part of the comic. Maybe you should read it a third time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 07:53 PM
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Well, first of all, no, I don't particularly think they should. But second of all, the problem is we can't influence tigers. We can influence humans, because humans understand words and can learn from those words.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 07:51 PM
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Not everybody has your genes. It is harder for some people to lose weight than others. For some people, it is not possible to attain the weight you personally think is healthy enough. What's more, even if it were possible, people who recognize the risks of weighing more/eating more/exercising less balance those risks against the relative difficulty in doing so. If a person would rather go to med school and a little overweight than be a shitty accountant who can manage his weight a little better,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 06:45 PM
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The world is not fair. Shouldn't it be? Is this a problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 05:41 PM
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I think the message here is clearly not that fat is beautiful, but that we should be less superficial, and that the superficiality can unnecessarily keep people down.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 05:40 PM
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Ya
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 05:32 PM
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Shit... I saw it on my phone, and it gave me a mobile link, so I tried getting rid of the m., and I guess that didn't work. Ew.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 05:10 PM
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Well the law matters, it's part this post as well. The way laws are enforced also matters. But the way the law is enforced is the same, age-old question we have asked since we invented laws: it's he-said she-said. There is nothing new about prostitution and rape in this he-said she-said game. It's still a matter of whether it was true or not. In fact, it wouldn't be any more effective than it is today. If I have sex with a prostitute, and she calls rape, I can say today, the same way I would say…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 02:59 PM
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There are issue like that all the time. Consumers with the belief that services are were improperly rendered. It's not a matter of law. It's a matter of fact and evidence. It's quite indistinguishable from a claim that it was just nonconsensual in general -- all you have to do is prove it. Small claims court it wouldn't much matter. You can claim the services were rendered improperly for any reason. It's up to the establishment to prove otherwise. The question of course is would someone do that …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/14 02:09 PM
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Yeah -- people will often shame a woman for being attracted to assholes/bad boys/what have you. I also happen to think that's, at least sometimes, appropriate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 11:44 PM
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Wait, are you attracted to wealth and power, or was it a conscious decision based on your desire to be a housewife?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 11:43 PM
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Wouldn't it depend on the person? For some, I imagine it would be boring the first time. For the creative, I imagine it could be infinitely sustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 11:39 PM
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Two hours of work a day sounds nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 11:22 PM
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Rape laws are different everywhere, even in the states. It'd impossible make this comparison. What? It's perfectly possible. They're different, but it's perfectly possible. If she calls rape, and he said he paid, there wouldn't be the slightest legal issue -- it's just a matter of fact, of evidence. If it was consensual, it was consensual, and if it wasn't, it wasn't. The only way this might be a factor is if he paid with a credit card, or got a receipt, and part of her story is that he never pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 11:13 PM
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The addition of a monetary payment does not automatically make it rape. The more nuanced argument is stronger: that it's not automatically rape, but rape in certain situations where the woman is backed into a corner, and prostitution is the only way she can eat tomorrow. Most people don't want to work at McDonalds but it may be the only option they have. That doesn't make them literal slaves though. Are you familiar with the concept of "wage slaves?" That is, slaves, except you nominally give th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 11:08 PM
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Japan has a very open sex culture ... wat
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 11:04 PM
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Prostitution is a really sensitive topic and people approach it from a lot of different angles. Your libertarians will say that as long as it's a consensual transaction, there ain't nothing wrong with it. Your populists consider the very real fear that, depending on the state of equality and the economy, every financial transaction has an element of coercion, and there are bound to be people who don't want to turn to prostitution, but do, because they have no other options. Then, you might say, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/14 11:03 PM
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There are conflicting ideas here. Is the constant negative view that women are inferior the truth, or is it just some one-sided hald-truth comprised of what men need to hear? The latter is one of the most common rationalizations for TRP posts attacking women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 04:37 PM
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If one imagines someone as higher or better than them and have been heavily indoctrinated what other avenues can one take to remove those perceptions? Have you considered honesty?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 04:03 PM
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... and American Beauty?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 04:01 PM
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Which roles make him sexier, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 01:25 PM
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Does Lester have "oneitis?"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 11:09 AM
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My point was: is he a hero? Is he a good guy? Or is he just the one we're following?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 04:02 AM
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I didn't ask if he was the main character.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 03:58 AM
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Is Lester a protagonist in this movie?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 03:32 AM
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This is a bit of a tangential topic, but: Women, what do you think of Kevin Spacey? As a person? In each of his roles? Is he attractive? Is he more attractive in some roles than others? I have reasons for asking this question, relating to the guy himself, and his acting style, and the roles he's played, but I'd rather not influence your answers until I have a few of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 03:32 AM
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I'm not totally sure about any of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 01:22 AM
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It makes you feel powerful? That's pretty neat actually. Kind of. Kind of.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 01:21 AM
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... you really don't know why we aren't rushing to be fucked in the ass?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 12:52 AM
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Having a boner is a funny thing. Sometimes, I don't really notice it -- even when it's fully hard, it's just another state. But then, other times -- maybe this is what "raging boner" means -- it kind of -- throbs. Throbs with light waves of pleasure. Not immense pleasure, nothing like an orgasm, but these light waves. And each time it happens, you're like, "roar, I'm king of the fucking world, bring me a concubine that I may implant in her my seed." A little bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 12:44 AM
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Why human women evolved to menstruate. Seems pretty inefficient. It's efficient to prepare for a pregnancy before it starts. The body should have something to feed a zygote, and some padding to protect it, et cetera, et cetera, as soon as it is fertilized. It takes the body a while to build that all up. I'm not sure why it's not a sustainable state -- it might make the body more vulnerable to infection, or something, I don't know. It's also not unlikely that early humans (or whatever animals men…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 12:35 AM
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We didn't evolve to be more efficient. Well, it's a factor. Evolutionists think the appendix was useful at some point, right? It takes time for people to coincidentally develop mutations where their appendices are smaller or nonexistent, and for those mutations to propagate throughout the population (it's a very small reproductive advantage in a world where reproductive advantages are dampened because we're not fucking social darwinists).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 12:15 AM
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Can I ask -- he's very masculine, and you're attracted to him. Do you think you would be as attracted to him if he wore pink and cried more? As a man, I don't really like having the weight of socially constructed masculinity on my shoulders -- but isn't it helpful in attracting women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/14 12:11 AM
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Meh. I mean, I can't read their minds, but I'm pretty damn sure women don't think I'm sexy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 07:43 PM
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As I said, much of my life experience tells me women think I'm funny. Little if any of it confirms or even allows the thought that women think I'm sexy. And I don't think I'm ugly...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 06:51 PM
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Okay, keep lying to me. I don't know why women refuse to tell me what they find attractive, but don't worry too much, I'm not about to fall for trp.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 06:37 PM
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I mean, why are they lying when they tell me humor is sexy?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 06:15 PM
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What's with the heels? If they're that bad, please, just take them off.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 06:07 PM
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Women laugh at my jokes. Women have told me I'm the funniest guy they know. Women frequently say that a sense of humor is sexy. What gives, women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 05:58 PM
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I do, all over this sub. If you are not familiar with my arguments, how are you arriving at the conclusion that I misunderstand? Is it really impossible that somebody understands and still hates the TRP philosophy?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 12:53 PM
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I've read. It's fucking stupid. Unless you have something new to say, shut the fuck up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 11:51 AM
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maybe you should start by reading TRP. we're not here to hold your hand. I have. I'm quite confident I understand and hate it, but people keep telling me I don't. this is hard proof that you haven't read TRP. Those guys he mentioned post there every day and are the most upvoted users. I don't pay attention to usernames, I read posts. I know RPS because people talk about RPS. I also vaguely know /u/cyralea from here, and have at least seen the username /u/gaylubeoil before (but I can't remember a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 11:08 AM
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I don't think the difference between what you said and what he said was just phrasing. I think he legitimately said something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 01:32 AM
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Maybe. Probably. But it'd be tempting, otherwise...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 01:28 AM
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You can drop $800k on a car if your daddy can give you $800k for a car. This is true no matter how much of a psychopath you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 12:51 AM
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I'd also want to see the same two trials with a female driver. I still don't think I'd do it, but I think I'd be more tempted to get into a Lambo if a hot chick was driving.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 12:49 AM
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I actually kind of agree with you. I mean, that sounds like a really dumb thing to do, to me. But I'm not sure it actually has that much to do with gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 12:48 AM
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I wouldn't. Sounds dangerous. I mean, a Lambo would be cool... Maybe because I know I will have a friend with a Lambo sooner or later, and will get that experience... But I think mostly because that sounds really dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 12:45 AM
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And, the man sometimes leaves a bodily fluid inside the woman, whereas the woman's bodily fluids mostly sit around on the surface of the man's skin, at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 12:41 AM
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It's okay if you, personally don't want that. What kind of sucks is if that's such a broad norm in society that people don't feel like they are allowed to do that, or allowed to be okay with that. Some men are okay with that, and... In TRP, I kind of see a circle-jerk of traditional attraction. TRP wants women from 18-22 who are skinny and x, y, z. A few of the guys aren't attracted to MILFs (that's fine, I'm not either), so they attack the concept of a MILF like it's some kind of conspiracy. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 12:34 AM
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Second, this is the part thats going to sound quite strange to you. There's a difference in what you interpret and what I interpret when you read RP comments. Even the ones that say the inciteful or strange things like you read in the albums TBP makes... I don't find them offensive. 85% of it is OK with me. Even if its something that seemingly dismisses rape. You know why? I understand what they're talking about. The red pill involves a lot of reading, and if I say to you: If you think that 85% …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/14 12:29 AM
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You read those implications into it. I used the word "implies" somewhat facetiously. I think it was all pretty clear from what I read. I don't think we need /u/2FAM0US's input to arrive at a coherent version of what he meant. I exaggerated with 2-year-olds, but that is what he said -- it's hard to say what age he does think is too young, or qualifies as "pedophilia..." Unless it's about menstruation, and not age or maturity. Expanding upon that, 2fam0us made the point that being attracted to dev…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 08:59 PM
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What he said was "the best looking pussy is between 14-22". That =/= we should fuck women between 14-22. Good thing his comment ended there, and he didn't say anything like: the whole 18 thing is government sanctioned prime based on how long it takes to finish school in the United States, to keep girls from getting pregnant while she still in high school (outdated laws from pre-birthcontrol times). Implying that it shouldn't be seen as problematic to fuck women under 18, or old enough to bleed, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 08:31 PM
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took the harsh tone far too literally It has nothing to do with the tone, and only to do with what he said. If I can't take his words literally, what should I take them to mean? Does he really think you should only have sex with women who are mature enough to consent, or does he think what he said? Either of these is problematic, and it sounds like you're trying to dodge both, but they're kind of exhaustive. Edit: btw, do you have a link to OP lying around? it got removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 08:01 PM
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Hmmm... I wonder if it would be a good idea to codify the "half plus seven rule" among minors... The primary and most common reason I've seen is to simply protect teenagers. So I'm inclined to disagree with the referenced rper. Yeah. I agree. We say teenagers are not mature enough to give consent... but it really only a criminal situation when somebody manipulates them. If two teenagers wanna fuck, we might still think neither was mature enough, but not think one of them should be punished. I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 07:42 PM
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It's not his tone that was wrong, it was what he said. You don't have to consider that we might be right, but when you read something that's obviously awful by most modern standards, it's a very odd reaction to think, "lol, 90% of the people who read this and understood it perfectly would hate it so much, those idiots." Everybody on TBP found it by seeing TRP, thinking about it, and either instantly or over some time, realizing how stupid it was. They all gave it thought. If they hadn't, why wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 07:37 PM
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I read the comment, but not the context. It seemed quite straightforward, and if there's something I missed, I'll be surprised, but please, clarify. I assure you I am not trolling, but mean everything I say.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 07:06 PM
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Then what the fuck is his point? How can I tell which is the point he meant, and which he didn't? If somebody is learning TRP, what is he supposed to think?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 06:02 PM
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What are Romeo and Juliet laws?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 05:30 PM
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So was that comment a troll comment? Is anything the outside world disagrees with trolling? The point is that TRP deflects all kinds of criticism by basically admitting how awful their posts are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 05:29 PM
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So it's just one big troll subreddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 05:16 PM
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Ah, I see where you're quoting from. I also like how you eviscerate the grammar. "Female" means "capable of bearing offspring." Adult is a different aspect. "Capable of" does not mean "can currently be impregnated" but "has those parts/has the potential." That said, "capable of bearing offspring" is as stupid definition for a female as it is for an adult female. Some women have had their tubes tied, or their uteri removed. They're still women -- or do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:25 PM
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the whole 18 thing is government sanctioned prime based on how long it takes to finish school in the United States, to keep girls from getting pregnant while she still in high school I feel like the chicken here came before the egg, but I don't know the legal history. I feel like 18 was the age of majority before it was the school system norm... IDK.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:16 PM
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It's worth noting that the reason statutory rape laws exist is primarily not "well she hasn't had her period yet so she isn't a woman." That'd be fucking stupid. It's that age is a good heuristic for maturity, and a minor is thought not to have the requisite maturity to consent to sex -- within certain parameters.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:13 PM
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It's worth noting that the reason statutory rape laws exist is primarily not "well she hasn't had her period yet so she isn't a woman." That'd be fucking stupid. It's that age is a good heuristic for maturity, and a minor is thought not to have the requisite maturity to consent to sex -- within certain parameters.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:13 PM
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"Adult" does not mean "capable of bearing offspring," either. You can't be wrong and still win an argument by insulting the opponent.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:08 PM
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So you're saying he was saying things that were wrong, for fun? He knew it was all bullshit, and so does everybody else in the thread, and that's why they upvote him? So any time we're reading an RP post we don't like, he was just kidding? Can you ever be wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 04:02 PM
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Why is the truth disrespectful? Partly because it's not the truth. But only partly for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:24 PM
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I don't mean to pick on you -- I'm glad you found the help you needed, even if it was from a source I don't like -- but this is a debate forum, and I'd like to ask a question, if you don't mind. Of course, you don't have to answer. I've seen a lot of TRPers argue that it's not rape unless physical force is used. I've also seen a lot of posts on TRP implying that it's not rape if she enjoyed it. Do you see the same? How do you react to it? Personally, the narrative I've heard from feminists and M…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:16 PM
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You can be as big of a cunt as you want, but that doesn't make you any less wrong. Oh, so: continue to sidestep it? Gotcha. Aren't you the same clown who had "The Rapist Pill" or some such bullshit as your flair? Nope. any man who still has contempt for women hasn't accepted their nature and will never mature enough emotionally to properly lead a relationship. Okay. What about the other definitions of pejorative? Do you think TRP means to criticize women with their sexism? Do you think TRP's sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 02:01 PM
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Are you dense enough to think their messages are identical?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:58 PM
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TRP does encourage the use of these heuristics, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:57 PM
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I can overule my baser instincts somewhat. But why would I want to? Because you thought about them and decided to. They're your "baser" instincts because they're not the process of the years of advanced thought society has put in in an attempt to do better. Then, society put in some thought, and thinks it knows better than the baser instincts. That's why they're called that: because they're not perfect. Some of your baser instincts would have you raping and killing people. You don't really want …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:44 PM
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Assuming that you're asking whether I feel limited by the statistics related to my gender or not: No. Do you think it's inappropriate to have expectations for others that limit them based on the statistics related to your gender? For example, would you avoid hiring a woman because of statistics related to women overall, even though you were interviewing an actual person? Our ego should not rest on our gender's exact position at the top of the bell curve. That's either superficial or a very low s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:41 PM
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I love how TRPers reply to that by saying, "lol, everybody everywhere is going to think this is so fucking stupid." And I love how they don't even consider that some of those people might be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:29 PM
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I think you're willfully misreading my post. The average man is stronger than all but one of the women in that room. But if you take two rooms of a thousand men and a thousand women, only half the men in one room can say that thing about all but one of the women in the other. The other half of the men can't. Some of the men will fall below the halfway point among women, even. You've framed the issue in a pretty strong way, but I'd need to see more statistics before I extrapolated data much more …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:27 PM
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None of that had anything to do with my point. My point is that even if you think that (I don't), sexism is still pejorative. A pejorative is a word or grammatical form of expression that expresses contempt, criticism, hostility, disregard and/or disrespect. Would you like to address this point, or continue to sidestep it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:21 PM
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But what do they say that gets treated differently? You say they get treated differently as a whole -- are you dense enough to think they're identical?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 12:58 PM
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You don't get it. You have not actually pointed out any way in which people react differently to any idea put forth by one side or the other. You're just saying that it happens. But unless you cite a moment it happens, I can't refute you other than to say "no it doesn't." You're not saying anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 12:22 PM
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No there aren't, there are trained women that are stronger. TIL "trained women" are not "women."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 12:09 PM
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You cited the study that cited the study that said that. The statistic is surprising, and I'd like to see the study itself. Not that I don't believe it, it's just a little more extreme than I'd think. It also bears clarification: it's the average man, not 99.9% of men. The 25th percentile of men might only be stronger than half of women, or some such. The point being, a lot of women are stronger than a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 12:05 PM
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TBP would not ascribe women those positive qualities either. It sees the genders as more similar than different.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 11:49 AM
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Everything and nothing. They are groups comprised of individuals, and some of those individuals are better at things than others. For every quality, there is a man on either side of a woman, and a woman on either side of a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 11:45 AM
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Im talking about No, you're not talking about anything. Say something, or don't. I don't have time to listen to you sidestep yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 11:37 AM
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Okay, well, in that case: There is no double standard. In some cases, you are not alike. In some cases, you are alike, and people hate you both equally. In some cases, you are alike, and nobody cares. You have not even asserted that there is anything that both TRP and Cosmo say to which there are different reactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 11:16 AM
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I mean, in what ways is TRP like those things? You didn't actually say.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 10:33 AM
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I understand why TRP thinks the latter -- that sexism is a tool. I don't understand why they think it isn't perjorative, the way they use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:48 AM
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If pedestalizing a woman your dating isn't blue pill, then you effectively redefined the term.....a term that was originally defined by red pill. Also, since when were blue pill and immature mutually exclusive? Didn't red pill originally define blue pill to mean "everybody who isn't us?"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:46 AM
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Not sure what's blue pill about that arangement. That's because blue pill doesn't mean anything. "Blue pill" is just TRP's word for "not us."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:44 AM
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I feel like a part of this dynamic that goes unstated is what happens when you just don't come to an agreement. If you want to go for a walk and she doesn't, you can either go or not go, but you don't have to tell her what to do. Nobody needs to be in charge; she has the right to say she's not coming on the walk, and then you can do whatever you want, and you aren't broken up because you didn't come to that consensus. And then there might be things like, say you want to buy a TV and she doesn't.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:42 AM
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in the eyes of BP I'm sick of this. BP is, by definition, everybody who "hasn't swallowed the red pill." Pretty much everybody is BP. Talking about what is true in the eyes of BP is like talking about what is true in the eyes of people with hair. BP isn't even a real damn group.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:37 AM
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Some women may consider all men rapists, but for the most part, many women will not cease to interact with the men around them. Again, it's not binary. It's a factor in their initial impression of me. If a woman finds a man attractive, regardless of how cautious she feels around men, that attraction is likely to lead to lust/infatuation. I don't know about that. I saw a good five women I found attractive at the gym today, and I doubt I'll ever think about them again. I don't imagine women are mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 03:32 AM
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Can you be a little more specific? There are likely things one of you says and not the other. There are also likely thinks each side says that are wrong, and each side says that are right. I can't know which of these to respond to until you tell me which you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:46 AM
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are you sugesting that you do call all bad sex rape? What the fuck is wrong with you? What makes you think it has something to do with the quality of the sex? It's about consent, man, not quality. Do you know what consent means? How am I not getting through to you? Yes, she was still angry and you go the extra mile to show her you love her. Raping her is not showing her you love her. It's showing her you think she is nothing but a vagina to be used for your whims. He did not "go the extra mile,"…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/14 01:44 AM
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I appreciate the perspective. I feel like I've heard stories of this kind of uneasiness from female friends of mine... It's at least quite different that women are generally afraid to walk home alone at night, and men generally aren't... Depending on the area. Can I ask how you feel about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 02:54 PM
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Worrying would not be a major thought, but they're aware of such a risk, weary, and less comfortable and trusting than they might be otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 02:18 PM
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If you want to improve your outcomes, you need to change what you're doing. I want to change something -- something's gotta give -- I just don't know what. Think about how most really hot girls live their lives. They get by on their looks. They focus on their looks. They invest in their looks by going to the gym, curating an impeccable wardrobe, tanning, spending hours on makeup, growing their hair out, etc. Sure there are exceptions, but in general most people that are gifted in a specific area…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 11:45 AM
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Why would you suppose the actions of the few make the many look bad? Well, I'm not sure "assholes" are a group of few. Of course, relatively few men are the violent, knife-to-your-throat rapists, but more are rapists in the you-don't-consent-and-I-don't-care sense, and even more are not rapists but assholes of varying degrees. There's some kind of spectrum. But... Well, TRP likes to say that if you see a snake, you're going to be afraid whether or not it's actually poisonous, right? Even if a te…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 11:35 AM
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after he ended up in her bed is was expected that later they where going to fuck Right, that's why he fell asleep. If he expected they were going to fuck later, he must have expected he was going to do it without her permission, because she had already ended it, right? she wasn't in the mood initially Initially? Did she say not right now, or that she wasn't in the mood at the moment, or did she say "no, I don't want to have sex with you?" What's more, did he misunderstand that and think "yeaahh,…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 11:01 AM
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To a ban? I could start linking you to a few of the posts from when I was banned, but there were a bunch...
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 10:30 AM
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It's on contest mode for a whole week, for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 10:28 AM
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Cute. Not exactly my metaphor.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 03:17 AM
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Personally, I feel like we're just not going to get enough people who want to watch a whole movie to debate it effectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 03:15 AM
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given if we censored you, our sub wouldn't have a purpose But TBP does want to end TRP, in which case their sub wouldn't have a purpose -- just not through censorship. The real reason TBP doesn't want TRP censored is because it won't accomplish anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 03:04 AM
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You don't go into a ... Jewish synagogue to argue about Judaism The person who wrote this has never been to a synagogue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 03:01 AM
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The first one is using logic to debate. They ban people for that though. They call that concern trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 02:59 AM
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I don't care about your gender, your position is a feminist one, that is the only thing that matters. That doesn't matter either -- you don't seem to understand basic principles of argumentation, but it doesn't matter what category you put my ideas in, it only matters what the ideas are. Take a look at https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ for an intro to this stuff. but that is the thing dude, that is what they want, that is the future, why do you think pick up/red pill pick up is hated, because th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 02:52 AM
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... not to trees.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 02:19 AM
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I'm truly sorry man's dominion Has broken nature's social union And justifies that ill opinion which makes thee startle At me, thy poor earth-borne companion and fellow mortal ~ Robert Burns You might not consider the effect direct, but I don't really see why that's relevant. TRP affects me in that it makes men act like assholes, which makes men look like assholes, which means that my effort to convince people I'm not is an uphill battle. Now, unlike the character in the above poem, I do not int…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/14 02:18 AM
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that is some paranoid shit... men kill more men than women, so relax Depending on the context, I might be afraid of a man, too. If he's much stronger than me, and we're alone, and he wants something from me that I don't want to give him, and he wants it now then depending on my level of trust in him and comfort with him, I might be afraid. It's difficult to tell a woman's perspective, but it's not that difficult, man. It ain't paranoia, sometimes it's a pretty understandable fear. but how could …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 09:46 PM
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Well, that's a better discussion. While you just meant it as an example, though... I want to respond to it, because it is actually an interesting question. On one hand, I feel that the strength test is there for a reason and you shouldn't just test women compared to their average and men compared to theirs. On the other hand, I think that there is extra value in having some women in your fire department, like having a female perspective or having somebody who can make female victims comfortable …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 05:37 PM
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First of all, you should probably stop to help anybody on the side of the road with a flat tire. They probably need help. Second of all, some people might get spooked by that, considering they're already stranded and might not be in the best mental state, so it'd be a good idea to make sure you don't come off as threatening, or anything. Doesn't really have much to do with gender. I suppose women are a little more threatened when alone and faced with a large man, on average, and in need of a lit…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 05:29 PM
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:)) that is true, I walked into that one, indeed if the penis is a deadly weapon I see your point of not resisting as a way to optimise outcome. But the penis is not a weapon and women are still vague. Teach women to be clear about what they want, instead of shaming non rapist into requiring a definitive yes, because you are only preventing the good guys from fucking with that policy. First of all, the penis might not be a deadly weapon, but the person using it is. Men can and have killed women …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 05:24 PM
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But I can start a forum that ecourages genital mutilation of children black female children and I would not create any more female circumcisions than they already are. We don't know that. Hopefully, you wouldn't obtain a following or convince anybody, but you might, as TRP appears to have. Yes there is, if we are in a bed toghether we are there to fuck. I encourage men to not go for the vague middle of the ground grey space where misunderstanding can happen, but even there, the woman has agency,…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 03:20 PM
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I imagine you're, what, 20 or so? 24. people on the internet are not your mother Obviously not, they do things and have things to say. No matter how inquisitive you think you're being, they are not going to have infinite patience with your preachy shrillness. Well, the person I was having the discussion with did not seem to have a problem with my tone. I did not feel that I was being preachy or shrill. We were doing fine, but somebody else, in a separate thread, decided to accuse me of a bias I …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:33 PM
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But to purposefully want to silence us or protect those innocent men from our influence just "encouraging" rape is not enough of a reason. First of all, to be clear: I want to "silence" you, but primarily by convincing you that you're wrong. I realize that's a bit of a fools errand, but I want to do it. And I do think the fact that you encourage rape is a very good reason to want to do that. I'm not sure why you disagree. Because rape is forced fucking, beyond that is post modern bullshit No, Ra…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 02:27 PM
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So is the difference between the average man and a rapist so small that a internet forum makes them rapists? I never made such an absurd non-sequitir argument. I simply said that the internet forum was encouraging rape. Consent(rejection) she stopped moaning, looked you in the eyes seriously and said a clear yes(NO). I'm not sure what you just said. But if you're trying to tell me what you think TRP thinks rape is, I'm not really interested -- I have enough experience with TRP to know that plent…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 01:22 PM
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From the Mupppet Show. Statler and Waldorf.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 11:59 AM
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Yes. I really do believe that TRP encourages rape. I understand that, in light of that, some of you don't believe I know what I'm talking about. I think I do. I've seen a lot of posts on TRP and here that say they don't condone rape, but define it based on something other than consent. I've also seen loads that define it based on consent, but define consent as "she did not successfully push you away from her, so she must have wanted it," or "she did not go straight to the police immediately afte…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 11:57 AM
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The part I'm not seeing is the distinction between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/14 12:44 AM
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Makes sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 10:59 PM
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Does it make as much sense for a straight woman to feel the same way?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 10:11 PM
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It blames the guys. For not understanding what stupid whores women are. Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 08:40 PM
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I don't want to censor you -- you'll still be teaching and implementing your philosophy elsewhere. I want to convince you you're wrong, so you stop. Granted, that's a bit of a pipe dream... But duty calls.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 08:39 PM
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In the case of intercourse, women are the limiting factor, because they are the choosier sex. Therefore, it is more effective to encourage women to avoid non-monogamous intercourse than it is to encourage men to do so. But aren't women only the "choosier sex" because of slut-shaming in the first place? And doesn't it matter that slut shaming hurts people, and if we do it to women but not men, we create a vastly unequal hierarchy in our society where men are better than women when they do the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 08:35 PM
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As someone who once had severe social anxiety, I can say with certainty that this is anxiety. And it creates a self-fulfilling prophecy. You have a certain set of expectations going into a date, you feel anxious because of those expectations, the anxiety prevents your real self from shining through comfortably, the date is awkward, which reinforces your expectations, and so on. I don't really feel anxious, though. I'm actually perfectly proud to be odd, I simply realize that it takes people some…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 08:31 PM
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she must understand that jobs and careers are just means to an end. If she puts her career first, then I'm out. What if a man puts his career first?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 08:06 PM
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I meant: you think our culture sees men as expendable, but it shouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:34 PM
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Well I'd be lying if I said this is realistic. Maybe in university/college you could make this work, but in the adult/professional world developing a deep friendship with a woman and waiting for it to become romantic seems pretty unlikely. I still have a year of law school left. I never said I wait. Granted, I have a tendency to be subtle about it, but they are actual friends who I would actually prefer to keep them as friends over asking them out when they aren't interested and making things aw…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:24 PM
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I'm extremely confused as to whether we're talking about betas or women. The quote /u/invalidity quoted was about men and women. But even with regard to alphas and betas: trp largely refers to beta qualities as "flaws," and rarely so with alpha qualities. My issue is not that you're telling people to improve on their flaws, it's what you say those flaws are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 02:01 PM
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Higher EQ. Wuzzat?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 11:45 AM
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What should a woman do with her life until she meets you? Insofar as TRPers want her not to go to college, sleep with other men, or get a career, it's hard to imagine what kind of woman they want to meet. You don't seem to mind the career... but what might a woman have done with her life if she doesn't want a career? What personality would she have now if she hasn't lived until she met you? Is there some common version of living without work or school? What other daytime occupation is there -- d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 11:43 AM
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I don't mean this as an insult: I'm not sure TRP has values.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 10:33 AM
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I need to get to sleep soon, but a few quick things... Was this comment posted by a TRPer, or someone paraphrasing? The latter. You could argue it isn't what TRP stands for, but that wasn't even really a major theme in those debates. A couple of people tried making those points... but TRP really seems to think something like what that comment said. Are you saying you believe in Kantian ethics? Anyhow, what if it actually is the case that women by some mechanism are not as rational as men. Would …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:43 AM
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Thank you for this as well. I need to get to sleep too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:37 AM
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The most immediate reason is that I think the girl is cute. I want to get to know her too, but the reason I'm interested in her is because I'm physically attracted. Okay, so here's something I suspect a lot of this sub will give me shit for, but I'll say it anyway, because if I'm doing something wrong, I want to find that out and get better. While I'd like a good-looking girlfriend, I really don't want to approach a woman because I think she's good-looking (or at all) -- because I think that sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:32 AM
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Do you really think CEOs of multinational corporations pigeon hole women? Not consciously or maliciously. But I believe that even big CEOs are human capable of bias and error. But the CEOs aren't the ones making many hiring decisions. The shareholders vote for the board (they are also perfectly capable of bias) and HR fills most of the rest of the positions and sets most of the rest of the salaries. Shit most of these big corporate HR departments are run by women. And women are incapable of bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:25 AM
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Even if people who focus on the negative don't mean to imply general inferiority, don't you see how new TRPers will get that impression? Do you want to give off that impression?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 03:00 AM
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Thank you for putting words in my mouth. I certainly believe the nonsense you spouted, and couldn't possibly have meant something that made sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 02:53 AM
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Well, plurals of letters in English use apostrophes: A's, B's, C's. Obviously it's not necessary when you spell out the name of a letter in a different language, but I'm not sure it's actually wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 02:52 AM
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women sleeping around brings into question paternity and reproductive fidelity Are these reasons to support the advancement of contraceptives? By and large, women will be much better at gate-keeping sex than men will be. Really? How so? Are women bigger and stronger than men? Preselection and the difficulty of having sex with lots of partners takes the sting out of slut-shaming for men. I'm not sure what you mean here -- do you mean that men can't have enough sex to be considered sluts? because …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 02:51 AM
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You're trying to prove that TRP insists upon a notion of inferiority on an oversimplified basis of, "Alpha good, beta bad." I am absolutely doing no such thing. I am asking a question. I am quite intrigued by /u/n0c0ntr0l's ideas, and so far have a respect for him that I don't have for most TRPers, yourself now included. I'm trying to be genuinely inquisitive and learn something new about the TRP perspective, and you insist on instigating. For the record, I find the distinctions between "alpha" …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 02:47 AM
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You're prescribing your own value judgment here. What does matter? Is not that a question that isn't begged by your statement? Well, just look at this comment for what I think is a fair perception of how TRP views women: http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2cgf7e/red_pill_if_women_are_inferior_to_men_then_how/cjf87zm. A list of traits like that can be very fairly characterized as "every way that matters" without begging the question -- unless you frame the question as fundamentally…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 02:21 AM
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You're prescribing your own value judgment here. What does matter? Is not that a question that isn't begged by your statement? Well, just look at this comment for what I think is a fair perception of how TRP views women: http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2cgf7e/red_pill_if_women_are_inferior_to_men_then_how/cjf87zm. A list of traits like that can be very fairly characterized as "every way that matters" without begging the question -- unless you frame the question as fundamentally…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/14 02:20 AM
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The debate in the women/men thread arrived at this issue pretty close to the top. TRPers don't think "men are better than women," but many believe men are better than women in every way that matters -- and if that's what you're saying, you're clearly just splitting hairs to save face. Inferiority and superiority are not such incoherent concepts that we can't have healthy debates about them. Sometimes we need to get more specific. But the questions make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 10:58 PM
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Ah yes, I went and looked at the question again, I remember why I thought that, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 10:52 PM
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I'd appreciate it... hypothetically.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 10:51 PM
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I kind of assumed this thread was directed at Red Pillers, but I'm not sure why.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 10:50 PM
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through such means as slut-shaming Should slut-shaming be focused on women?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 10:49 PM
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The success of a civilization is predicated on how much it values betas (and enforces monogamy so that the betas don't have to become alphas to compete in romance/sex).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 10:43 PM
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They are just doing what they think works. It's unfair to get on their case. Okay, so you won't get on their case -- but you think they're doing something wrong, and if asked, would recommend they be alphas instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 10:35 PM
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And now you're back to claiming that the first offer was "half hearted," that a no doesn't carry over a few minutes with enough rigor to at least require you to ask again, and that he did indeed ask ("offer") the second time without actually doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 10:08 PM
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(and enforces monogamy so that the betas don't have to become alphas to compete in romance/sex). I don't think "enforces" so much as "promotes."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 10:03 PM
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Obviously he means the more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 10:03 PM
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Okay. So... Do you have respect for the beta? Do you think he's a "chump?"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 10:02 PM
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Not inferior,you insist on that term. That's the term we're trying to discuss, and you still don't seem to be willing to admit it's a real word. She will just use you and take half your stuff,because that is not actually happening in the real world now is it? Is that an evil thing to do? Is that how you believe women who refuse to be obedient and submissive behave? If so, Would you say that when women think for themselves, they are evil, and only when they do what they told are they not evil? So…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 09:32 PM
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It was a joke. I'm quite confused as to why everybody is so angry about it...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 07:14 PM
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Its not that women aren't capable, because there are plenty of examples of high achieving women in the world. Its that on average men are higher achievers. Women do commonly look to men for leadership where it counts most - in their personal lives. I'm pretty fine with everything up to here -- that you're talking about averages and common cases, that this setup happens to work for you... We men take care of fucking business and women love us for it. This is why women don't defer status. They hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 06:58 PM
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Except she vetoed him in this scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 06:30 PM
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My understanding is that you think men are treated as expendable in modern society, and that this is a mistake, presumably because they are not. Is that incorrect?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 03:29 PM
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Ah, I did indeed misread the straw man portion, my apologies. To go back over those three perception of TRP: Women are "less intelligent" and "more emotional" than men I don't think TRP so often says women are less intelligent as it says... "Weeelllll, there are different types of intelligence, and men have [insert all the good ones here], and women have [insert all the bad ones and some that don't matter here]." They might say women are less suited for intellectual pursuits, shouldn't work beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 12:26 PM
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Well, there is: a person who can do things, and chooses to do bad things, like go around killing people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 11:44 AM
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Those 3 dependent on the women's willingness to submit to man. Uggghhh... So you're saying, if a woman is not willing to submit to a man, and wants to try thinking for herself, then yes, she is inferior? Submissiveness is an inherent part of femininity. Just like the negroid brain is smaller, and they benefit from being controlled by the white man. Right? Perhaps you don't realize that the pseudoscience you're basing this on is pseudoscience, or that it still doesn't support your hypothesis. Per…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 11:39 AM
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Can she be loyal? yes depending on the indoctrination. Say loyalty is a morally praiseworthy trait. Are men better at it than women? Say respect is a morally praiseworthy trait. Are men more respectful than women? Say honesty is a morally praiseworthy trait. Are men more honest than women? Concoct some long list of traits that you think are morally praiseworthy. Do you find that an absurd majority of those traits are more favorable in men than in women? If so, you really, really think women are …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/14 02:30 AM
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Alright, let's say you treat women like people. Does the rest of TRP? Or do they treat women like dogs? If they treat women like people, and not dogs, then do they recommend that newcomers treat women like people or dogs? Note that if you say people, I have a gigantic pile of sources saying otherwise. You're victimizing women, do you realize that? You believe that they are incapable of defending themselves, hence, you try to play the role of the hero. Women are capable, but the fact that TRP sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 10:34 PM
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Is obeying every command from a man for the sake of the greater good,society,civilization or whatever "morally superior"? ... what? I don't think obeying commands serves "the greater good, society, civilization or whatever," and it obviously would not make one "morally superior. What are you talking about? Because that is what happened when religions suppressed women, do you want to go back to that? ... what? Obviously not. Female nature is female nature, it has to be understood and worked aroun…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 07:42 PM
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Then why didn't you just say that? Instead you went on a tirade about what you thought I meant and how it was stupid. Does responding to your comment qualify as taking it too seriously? I mean, I'm not joking around here, it's a "debate" of some sort, right? Oops! Ok MY BAD. Do me a favour and view not just our thread but the entire list of responses I've gotten. I did say something about this to another Redditer, and I got mixed up. There are some other angles of attack and therefore a more div…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 07:37 PM
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You're saying the same old shit. "It's not women's fault that they're worse, they are just like that. You wouldn't blame a tiger for its stripes, so why would you blame a woman for being a stupid manipulative bitch?" This doesn't change the fact that you think women are inferior about men, it just changes how angry you are about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 07:29 PM
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This question is an obvious straw man, so I'll respond in two ways: first to the straw man itself, then to the intellectually honest version of the question. You're thinking of the philosophical principle of charity. If your opponent's argument is poor, explain why, but then, if you can solve the problem you introduced and improve that argument yourself, do that too. This allows us to get to the best answer faster, rather than arguing to try to "win" by proving your opponent stupid. Good plan. L…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 07:26 PM
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Are women morally inferior to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 06:17 PM
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So, wait: are women capable of being rational? Red pill men aim not to be irrational, but could a woman also aim not to be irrational? Could she get there? What's more, a person is either capable of honor or not. If you're capable of being capable of honor, you're capable of honor. Are men capable of honor? Are women? Are men more easily capable than women? Are men capable more often than women? Finally, with regard to being manipulative -- why is it viewed as a crime from women, but an imperati…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 06:14 PM
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Do you mean that in a purely visual sense, or is there something else to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 06:03 PM
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They say different all the time, and never say inferior, but consistently, frequently, exclusively, broadly and specifically use negative terms to describe those differences, and upvote such uses. There is nothing positive being said about women, other than their bodies, in that subreddit, and I suspect that if there was it would lead to a ban on "concern trolling" grounds.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 06:02 PM
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Yes, are my imperfect analogies being taken too seriously again? Checkmate Terpers! What? I wasn't "taking it too seriously," I legitimately didn't know what you were trying to say. That's what I am saying too! It absolutely is not. You said nothing to convince you. I'm calling bullshit here. Translation: BLAH BLAH BLAH IM NOT LISTENING ANYMORE CHECKMATE TERP I'm listening, if you have anything to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 05:59 PM
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What would change my mind? Nothing. The core philosophy checks out. It's like asking me what would make me believe the Higgs Boson particle doesn't exist. Scientists can't even prove it exists but they have too much evidence to think otherwise. I'm sorry, I'm terribly confused by what you're trying to say here. Are you comparing TRP philosophy to the science proving the existence of the Higgs boson? For one, any sane scientist will admit it's possible, at least theoretically the Higgs boson does…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 05:20 PM
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Call me a cynic, but I believe I would have to rape someone to be a rapist. You would. But advocating rape is pretty bad too, and TRP fucking does it. (The real rape not the one with eyes) What the fuck are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 05:06 PM
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It's not just staying in hopes of getting fucked, its also that some guys develop such strong attachments to these girls they think something is better than nothing. It's screws with there self confidence and sense of self worth. They make themselves constantly available for that woman at the expense of other, more fulfilling relationships. I think you have one particular relationship in mind, which you project onto all relationships even vaguely like it. Sometimes, a man has feelings for a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 05:00 PM
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You know, unless I actually care about a person's personality and want to be friends with her even if we can't have a sexual relationship because I actually think that's better than nothing. But keep insisting that the only thing women are good for is sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/14 04:49 PM
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for a brief 100 year window between 1800 and 1960 or so. Wait -- that's not all of time? There was time before 1800 and after 1960? Ooohhh, by time after 1960, he means the dark ages when the feminists took over and burned the world to the ground?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 10:25 PM
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Nope, gotta make a subreddit dedicated to people who didn't understand red pill and want to make it look like they left so it looks bad. Hmmm... Unless somebody could actually understand RP and think it's wrong. But that's impossible, right? There's no way there are any ex- endorsed contributors on that sub, for example. Yeah, no, the sub is just a conspiracy put together by bluepillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 10:20 PM
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Why I think this would be a good choice: I saw a thread about this movie TRP, and disagree profoundly with their take on it. For one, TRP generally seems to Alec Baldwin's character and iconic speech. To them, it seems to be an example of what a good Alpha is, and a good buck-up-and-swallow-the-Red-Pill speech. I, personally, feel that the speech is made in a dark time, and Alec Baldwin's character is a villain set forth to make men compete with one another in evil ways, and that, if he is indee…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 10:14 PM
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Or, for that matter, is he a villain?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 10:09 PM
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I don't think so, but I think that's very intentional, and can contribute to our analysis. Particularly, I think it helps to light the scene that I believe is a metaphor for rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 10:08 PM
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I suggest putting them down each as individual comments, so that we can vote for them separately.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 08:56 PM
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We can't really vote for one of these here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 08:55 PM
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Glengarry Glen Ross.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 05:05 PM
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No, objectifying them is. Stop with the fucking straw men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 04:03 PM
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But this got a ton of upvotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 03:52 PM
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So: Red pill means you "know the truth" like Neo from the Matrix and blue pill means that you're just afraid of the truth. They mean this because that's what they were defined to mean by the people who started RP philosophy. TBP isn't wrong because of what it says, it's wrong because it calls itself TBP, which is defined as blindness to the truth. Talking about pills is stupid. Talking about pills is like an inherent admission that TRP is right. I am not a pill, I'm a person. I profoundly disagr…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 02:54 PM
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Ok let me make an analogy. Let's take war. Jesus Christ, why is TRP constantly comparing relationships to war?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 02:51 PM
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He said he's happy. And I don't see how he's subsidizing anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 02:26 PM
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how are those the moral equivalent of rape? I didn't really say that -- I just said there are things in TRP that are morally unacceptable. Although, on the other hand, TRP does advocate for rape, and that's the moral equivalent of rape. Which parts of TRP do you have a problem with I talk about this all the time, and would rather not get into it now. Right now, I just want to make the point: am I allowed to criticize TRP/Sexual Strategy on moral terms, or is it immune because "sexual strategy is…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:53 PM
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Longing is a sexy feeling. Really? Shit, we'd better trade lives...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:49 PM
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What is he losing, here? He's like a 25 year old making six figures who got passed up for a promotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:47 PM
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"I'm madly in love with this woman, I want to date her and fuck her and be her friend, but since she does not want to date and fuck me, and because I think those things should usually be consensual, I take the next best thing, which is being her friend. That's not the ideal situation, but it's still really nice."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:46 PM
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As unfortunate as it may sound, it makes things a lot easier for a guy when he acknowledges women as sex objects. As easy as that might be, it's quite immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:41 PM
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"get to know a person first" (Wastes a lot of time.) I... What? Are you really saying this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:40 PM
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I feel like I've seen you post elsewhere that a decent RP male following the advice it gives you = 100% success.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:39 PM
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Wait, was this one guy the only person who said that women were untrustworthy across the board? I thought that was pretty core TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:34 PM
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"It's not that I don't trust her because of her, it's that I don't trust her because of my prejudice against all women."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:16 PM
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Wow -- guys, I think he really thinks this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:16 PM
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But the woman's action couldn't possibly be the result of something else, of course...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:14 PM
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I still don't think you read the OP. People can talk, dogs can't. The reason you train your dog like a dog is that you can't talk to him, explain things to him, reason with him, or learn from him -- at least not in nearly the same ways you can with a person. You might say people are not unique or special, but you cannot say that people and dogs are the same in this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:12 PM
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We're having a debate, here. Who are you talking to? Here, we're worried about the men who say it about women, because we have settled the issue about women who say it about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:10 PM
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Lolollol so beta being happy. Idiot. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:08 PM
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I... I'm confused, they upvoted that thread in TRP? Do they even believe educated women exist in TRP? I'm not saying it's an anti-RP post, but... I'm not seeing how it's pro, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:03 PM
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It's in pretty much every study TRP cites. A lot of them say that dominance is better for initial attraction, but that it's less conducive to attraction in finding a long-term mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 01:00 PM
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While I haven't seen anybody giving up on "TRP is complete BS," it was never really my main point. I've been screaming that TRP is unethical since I found it, quite consistently, and don't particularly care if it works or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 12:59 PM
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You're quoting a few specific anti-RP posts you don't like -- do you want to get into a quoting war? Because TRP never really wins a quoting war -- they just kind of complain that TRP is not a monolith, and hundreds of posts advocating rape and disrespect that get hundreds of upvotes don't represent TRP at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 12:57 PM
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I'm currently undefeated. Who's the ref?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 12:54 PM
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A good parent teaches, rather than "trains." A parent who treats his child as a dog is not a respectful parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 12:51 PM
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Here's a really effective sexual strategy, totally guaranteed to get you laid: Go around raping people. Do you have a problem with that? I hope it's not a moral problem -- it's just the most effective sexual strategy we can find. It's a shame that they outlawed it. Stupid fascist government Or -- and stay with me here -- sexual strategies are not immune from moral criticism by virtue of being called "sexual strategies."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 12:48 PM
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the feminist impertative of: be free and savage without rules or consideration for anyone else. Love me for me or else. What the fuck kind of feminism are you smoking?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 12:41 PM
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I would make a note, if the women comes from a decent enviroment she is already "trained" and know how to behave and be respectful of her life partners without any effort. There's a huge difference between being "respectful" and being "obedient." You don't "train" a person to be respectful. For the record, treating a person like a dog is not respectful.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 12:41 PM
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Yet, you start with railing against men saying this about women, despite the fact that women saying this about men is far more prevalent. Where are we? What subreddit is this? Nobody in this sub is saying that women should control their men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 12:35 PM
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I don't get it. I don't get how people can say "it's not subject to rules of morality that you just explained because I call it 'sexual strategy.'" I'm not sure how that logic doesn't justify rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 12:34 PM
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I haven't noticed anyone discouraging women from taking up the practice, Really, you haven't? I swear, I very recently read... The difference is that if a woman carries this out on a guy, she'd lose all respect for him and then all her attraction. Oh yeah. Yeah, that did happen just now.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 12:32 PM
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You completely missed the point about people being people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/14 12:30 PM
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If a guy was sitting next to me right and was about to fuck my ass, and I could walk away, I would get up and walk away. What if he was significantly bigger and stronger than you? I mean, it's not fucking you by accident, right? What if some burly biker dude walks up to you, pulls your pants down, and starts fucking you in the ass? Can you see how maybe you'd have no idea what the fuck to do in that situation? In this situation, you haven't even said no. But it's obvious enough that you don't co…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 12:54 PM
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Just because someone said they don't wanna have sex anymore at 9pm doesn't mean they still don't at 3am. Hmm... “And then he started again a few minutes later, If somebody says she doesn't wanna have sex, and you say okay, how likely is it that she changed her mind a few minutes later? Is it likely enough that you don't have to ask (that is to say, 100% guaranteed that she has changed her mind in those minutes)? People try and seduce others with touch and kisses and whatnot, particularity those …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/14 03:56 AM
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Could she have? Aside from the fact that it's her fucking bed let's say that her being forced to get up and walk away is an acceptable situation. When did we say, in the scenario presented, that was an option? Was there any sort of guarantee that the guy wouldn't have chased her? If he ignored the first no, she really has no clear reason to believe that he'd accept any decision of hers with any degree of respect. He might just not care, stand up, and follow her. And then it could get violent. Ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 08:58 PM
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A little while later they hand you a cupcake. They open your jaw put the cupcake in your mouth without asking you. In the hypothetical, he did not hand her his dick and let her do what she would with it, he took off her panties and put his dick inside of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 07:51 PM
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It's not "referred to", it's defined in criminal law as "rape". I... That's obviously what I meant. I don't have a problem with that. Do you? Why? Yeah. That's exactly what I mean feminism does. It takes the story I wrote, and fictionalizes it as the story you wrote. There's absolutely no fiction in my analysis. The only fiction is in yours where you said "she said no, he said he understood, but she never really said no." That last step sounds like fiction to me. But honestly, reading through yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 07:39 PM
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The Steubenville High School rape occurred in Steubenville, Ohio, on the night of August 11, 2012, when a high school girl, incapacitated by alcohol, was publicly and repeatedly sexually assaulted by her peers, several of whom documented the acts in social media. The victim was transported, undressed, photographed, and sexually assaulted. She was also penetrated vaginally by other students' fingers (digital penetration), an act defined as rape under Ohio law.[1] Yeah, I have no problem with "dig…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 03:01 PM
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the reason rape was considered so bad back in the day had less to do with emotional/physical trauma and more to do with the fact that a girl who was not a virgin, even if it was taken by force, had a very tough time getting a husband, which in those days was the way women were provided for. But that was fucking stupid. It was the combination of a lot of stupid factors, but the real reason Rape is bad, in a world that makes sense, is that sex is a deeply personal and private and sensitive thing, …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 02:32 PM
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There are plenty of elementary school teachers who are still in their mid 20's and are smart enough. Don't you need a masters in education to teach in American public school?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/14 02:10 PM
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Say I wanted to spar with you. I say, hey, let's fight. You say no. I say okay. A little while later I punch you, and then start beating the crap out of you. You don't bother asking me to stop, because, oh wait, you already did, and now I'm hitting you anyway. Was that sparring, or did I batter you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 12:41 PM
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From wikipedia - Etymology of term The term rape originates in the Latin rapere, from raptus, "to snatch, to grab, to carry off".[23][24] Since the 14th century, the term has come to mean "to seize and take away by force".[1] In Roman law the carrying off of a woman by force, with or without intercourse, constituted "raptus".[24] In Medieval English law the same term could refer to either kidnapping or rape in the modern sense of "sexual violation".[23] The original meaning of "carry off by forc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/14 01:57 AM
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Is the word rape merely a measure of horribleness? If you violently stabbed my sister, could I say you raped me, and the rest of my family? Because the "rape" I had come to know, speaking English and all, is a specific type of act.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 10:11 PM
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I never said she was wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 10:02 PM
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Guess who got a hefty amount of CS, all three of us kids, half the retirement, the house? There was an equitable distribution of the assets. I don't care if she got the house and half the retirement, she got an equitable share, and so did he. You might be missing some large aspect of the divorce decree. It sounds quite unfortunate that your mother got custody -- I'm sorry to hear that story. Nobody really denies that juries have a bias that favors the mother. Juries make mistakes and have biases…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 10:02 PM
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You're focusing on one small point in a way that is largely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:56 AM
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TRPers and MRAs. I just discovered the term a couple of weeks ago. It's absurd and offensive. It's not the slight inequality in child custody that they mind, it's the absolute guarantee of child custody and inequitable distibution of the assets that they think happen that they mind. And the term largely refers to the unilateral nature of divorce. It is, in a sense, "non-consensual." And sure, it's unpleasant. But the similarities end there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:55 AM
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... what?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:52 AM
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Or, hypothetically, they could have an equal partneship. But that would only work if they weren't sociopaths like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:50 AM
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I'm pretty sure TRP's answer to this would be "we're sexists."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:50 AM
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So here are all of these mid-30's women with their advanced degrees (which we men don't give two shits about, btw) I don't know what men you're talking about, but I like the idea of a woman who's been to grad school. Are you talking about men who want to marry idiots?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:45 AM
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... what the fuck are you talking about? You don't know her, and you don't know why she's still a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:44 AM
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None of that was really on topic. The question was whether the type of women you do have this desire for are more likely to divorce you, leading to a selection bias in your perception of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:42 AM
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I appreciate the quotes, but part of me would prefer if you didn't humor the thought of "divorce-rape." It's just such an absurdly offensive and ridiculous phrase.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:40 AM
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I have heard of one of those people. Simone de Beauvoir is a crazy french existentialist philosopher who is known for her relationship with Jean Paul Sartre, who thought that everything -- literally, your decision whether to walk or fly -- was a simple matter of choice. Her words will obviously sound crazy on the surface, at least out of context.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:36 AM
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Lol, nobody ever said TRP wasn't full of assholes... Well, you know, except for other people in TRP who swear they aren't assholes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/14 11:25 AM
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What? That's an incoherent thought process. Physical attractiveness doesn't magically make people any more likely to be interesting. What's more, even if she is interesting, it doesn't help you at all if she isn't interested in you.
/r/seduction28/07/14 08:24 PM
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It's not like they'll know you pussied out.
/r/seduction28/07/14 08:22 PM
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What? Plenty of women find me perfectly interesting. They want to be my friend, and that's it. Also -- this guy found only one person with an even vaguely interesting personality in his entire time there? What?
/r/seduction28/07/14 07:58 PM
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From what I remember reading on TRP, TRP was founded because they thought Seduction had a bad rap with the rest of Reddit, and they thought they could escape that reputation by branching off.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 07:40 PM
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But that is against the point of art, unlike reality it's simbolistic nature makes all interpretations both projective and both are equally relevant, only the director has a grasp on its essence and most post modern works even transcend that as mediocre directors end up with masterpieces not out of artistic intent but simply by accident as it reaches and resonates with a niche audience that values the piece much more that the mainstream. A good work of art may leave some room for interpretation,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 02:28 PM
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But, as with GGR, we can argue the pros and cons of each viewpoint. And we can make the case that one analysis is more likely than the other. I don't want to turn this into a debate, but do you think any of the characters in that show really succeed? The weak fail, and so does everybody else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 12:08 PM
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Sure, but it might not look as shitty out of context... It's complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 12:03 PM
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Doesnt matter what the reason is, but their subreddit their rules. Play by them or dont and deal. Ugh. My point as not that I don't like that the rules are applying to me, my point was that it's the kind of rule that a cult would have. Sure thing out of pure curiosity. Thanks. My posts in this thread had a lot to do with it: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1wnf1h/alec_baldwin_as_a_classic_alpha_in_a_room_of/ And there were a few other posts here and there around that time, which I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 01:54 AM
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I'd love to discuss this thread, but I don't think this is the right context. http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1wnf1h/alec_baldwin_as_a_classic_alpha_in_a_room_of/
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 01:48 AM
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I think most of the movies should be movies that a lot of people have already seen, for this reason. And that's part of the reason I want a voting system.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 01:42 AM
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I also think it would be more successful coming from mods -- I'm quite decidedly on one side, and don't want blue borders around my own comments, and all that...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 01:40 AM
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Let me put it this way, an experienced, physically appealing RP, can maintain attraction with any women for as long as he desires. Right. It has nothing to do with the woman. She's not a person, she's a machine, and all you have to do is know the right inputs, and you will be able to do whatever the fuck you want. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 01:39 AM
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Is that not a feasible possibility? Here's what you're not getting from this thread: /u/asd1100 is a golden god and no woman could possibly resist his charms.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 01:37 AM
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It infers TRP is a cult, combine that with OP's posting history and it is pretty easy to discern intent. The question does not infer TRP is a cult, it asks. You're not even trying. It links to a goddamned TBP thread. How are the arguers not relevant when their "breakdown" is the topic of discussion? The author of a point is essentially never relevant. Denying a point because of its author is the definition of "ad hominem," a logical fallacy. We can discuss it all you like, but the tone of a thre…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 01:35 AM
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It infers TRP is a cult, combine that with OP's posting history and it is pretty easy to discern intent. The question does not infer TRP is a cult, it asks. You're not even trying. It links to a goddamned TBP thread. How are the arguers not relevant when their "breakdown" is the topic of discussion? The author of a point is essentially never relevant. Denying a point because of its author is the definition of "ad hominem," a logical fallacy. We can discuss it all you like, but the tone of a thre…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 01:35 AM
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An odd fear can take over a woman as she perceives that she is about to be raped. A large range of responses are possible, including some that appear to be perfectly clear consent. If there is any ambiguity, it is a best practice to stop, and check.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 01:00 AM
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I think the problem arises on a large scale. If one particular man was only attracted to younger woman, that would be fine. When men systematically have a high preference for younger women, there's an issue: older women are stuck unable to get a date. Now, this is no particular man's fault, but it does suck. And so we have a preference for seeing people date around their own age, because when that happens, the shitty effect is accounted for.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 12:52 AM
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Okay. Can I ask what you think would have been a good title for that old thread? Part of my understanding was that the OP was terribly confused, and I couldn't really think of a way to explain that all in a post title.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 12:36 AM
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Well, you can't seem to give me a single example of anything OP said that was not correct, so I really don't see the evidence that you have any critical thinking skills at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/14 12:35 AM
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So the rule isn't about bias, but perceived fairness? If, hypothetically, the post were an unambiguous, non-confused "hey, guys, let's all go out and violently rape and then murder all the women we could find," and had hundreds of upvotes, would that change this analysis? I'm largely just curious now -- obviously we were not in such a state.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:01 PM
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How so? Most of them seem perfectly spot-on to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 10:59 PM
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I wasn't talking about the whole article, I was specifically talking about the selection bias discussed in the portion I quoted.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 08:10 PM
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Huh, that's a lot of assumptions for a study to make. Do you know what a study is? You seem to have read them... why are you saying they are "assumptions?" The author of the article also isn't aware that the left-brain, right-brain dichotomy is a myth. Ah, it always sounded like bullshit to me. Thanks. But... The original author called it a "false dichotomy," so I think you've misunderstood. And much like that dichotomy, I suspect the alpha/beta male dichotomy is a myth as well. Read the sentenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 08:05 PM
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Though besides the point that you can't refute the other 3 The other three? What other three? You mean the three other criteria you read? Perhaps you didn't read any of them, because it would be clear, if you had, that only the bold ones are meant to apply, and the non-bold criteria are concessions by the author (IE he admits they do not apply.) What's more, you can't tell me I can't refute something until you've given me a chance. even your refute attempt on this one still sounds pretty weak be…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 07:58 PM
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It is a leading and heavily biased "question." Here, I'll show you how to phrase it properly. "Some members of the TBP community claim that TRP has similarities to a cult. Do you feel this opinion has any legitimacy?" That's how you set the tone for a somewhat neutral debate. Your question sounds much more leading to me. I'm very familiar with "to what extent" questions, as they were the primary form of question in the AP US History exam, which my AP US History teacher drilled into our minds qui…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 07:38 PM
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He was advocating rape, people disagreed whether he knew what rape was. But whatever it was, he was advocating for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 07:25 PM
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It's not just that it's the perfect man, it's that it's imaginary. The idea is hot in your head. I'm sure the same women would say they don't want it to actually happen, even with a wealthy, good-looking, status-having man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:32 PM
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Dude, didn't we discuss the difference between fantasy and genuine desire in the other thread? Approximately 73% of nerds (I'm obviously making this number up) have fantasies about fighting dragons. Approximately 0% actually want to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:31 PM
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because if she wants it, it's not rape. It's not about desire, it's about consent. She can "want" it without agreeing to it. The second is the idea that women abhor the idea of being raped by low value men. Low value men? When was that a part of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 12:28 PM
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Downvoting is a way of indicating disapproval, and of a sort of soft censorship. I don't see why that's any less cult-like than other sorts of disapproval of dissent. Also, keep in mind that downvotes are only step one, and only what happens when you make one dissenting post. A few dissenting posts get you banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:40 AM
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What? Does TRP not ban people for disagreeing? Shit, maybe I'm not banned, then... Nope, I'm still banned for disagreeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:35 AM
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I don't think I see a single response to asingle point from the OP in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:33 AM
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Which aspects did the author have to stretch?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:31 AM
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What? No, it's a question. People are asked to supply reasons. There are reasons TRP looks like a cult, which you might find if you looked, rather than dismissing the question as insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:19 AM
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Was there bias in that title? A TRPer was advocating for rape. Granted, he had no idea what rape was -- he was saying "you should rape people." Where's the bias in pointing that out?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:18 AM
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Again, I don't think I've heard enthusiastic before. I've definitely heard sober, which I'm not sure I quite agree with. I'm thinking "aware" and "clear" and "informed" are all important aspects. I also never really hear that it has to be explicit...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 11:16 AM
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... what? You're going to have to spell this out for me. consent = enthusiastic consent and nothing else I don't think I've ever seen this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 03:02 AM
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Ok...I'm honestly not sure if you edited your post, or if something on my end got messed up. When I wrote that I was thinking of something pretty insulting, but when I reread it what you wrote is not what I was thinking of. Anyways, let's move on. Lol, all good. I didn't edit. There's no star. Did you think I said "right in the head" where I said "in the right thread?" Men are villains I don't think I've ever seen that. Men who are not villains, especially if they're victims, are systematically …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 02:59 AM
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I'm making arguments, they just aren't working.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 01:46 AM
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How do you mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/14 01:41 AM
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Seems to me that you've already made up your mind. You're looking for ways to say "AHA! SEE EVERYONE! RP'ERS THINK RAPE IS OKAY!" in a "gotcha" move, and that was pretty much the point of posting this in the first place. I mean, I've looked at the evidence that RPers think rape is okay some of the time. They've said it and gotten tons of upvotes for it, so... I really don't see why it's a problem that I've been convinced by that evidence. Yes, there is some evidence that they don't think all rap…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:58 PM
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... I have no idea what you just said. The side that is unwilling to accept responsibility is "the general nature of agency?" What? And I don't know how it was relevant to your comment that women "embrace magical thinking," but I'm not going to let you get away with saying something that stupid and unfounded. No, women are not engaging in magical thought just because you disagree with everything you ever heard a woman say. All that means is that you're a sexist asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:51 PM
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See my other post in response to shitpostwhisperer. That's feminism for you though, attack and insult people who make valid points that don't agree with your rhetoric. I... what? I wasn't insulting you, or, I didn't mean to. I just genuinely didn't think you were replying to my post. I guess I can see how the last two paragraphs are vaguely on topic... That's why I'm not interesting in being part of RedPillSchool's TRP though - I have no interest in being part of a male group doing the same bull…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 08:04 PM
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The article also says "no one is condoning rape". I'll quote for you my comment from another thread: He did not say nobody is condoning rape. He said: No one here condones these instances of legitimate rape "These" seems like it must refer specifically to the classes of rape he mentioned just a second ago: Aside from obvious cases of drugging someone or having sex with the unconscious So, if she's conscious, you haven't drugged her, then it's not a legitimate rape, it's the okay kind of rape. As…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 07:55 PM
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you implicitly take TRP seriously enough to conduct an adult discussion I take it as a serious threat, which warrants a serious attempt to stop. I don't have respect for it -- it is not a respectable theory. Calling red pill types idiots and assholes isn't adult discussion, is middle school name calling. Wait, are there redpillers who have graduated middle school?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 07:50 PM
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The title literally says women want you to rape them. How the fuck am I reading rape into that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 07:24 PM
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it's not rape if she wants it First of all, this is inconsistent with his title, where he says women want to be raped by certain people. They want it, and it's rape. Second of all, this is bullshit: it's not about wanting, it's about consenting. Third, he never says it's not rape if she wants it, he implies it's not rape if he is "high value." To OP, rape is about him, not about her. All women are the same: if you are high enough in "value," she wants you to rape her. it seems like your main pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 06:34 PM
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He did not say nobody is condoning rape. He said: No one here condones these instances of legitimate rape "These" seems like it must refer specifically to the classes of rape he mentioned just a second ago: Aside from obvious cases of drugging someone or having sex with the unconscious So, if she's conscious, you haven't drugged her, then it's not a legitimate rape, it's the okay kind of rape. As long as you're good-looking. Or something. That's what OP was saying, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 06:29 PM
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How is that relevant to anything? Everyone's entitled to be wrong. Appeal to authority, weep woo Good point, but let me remind you where we started: you said rape was a legal issue, not a moral issue. You didn't say that you didn't think rape was wrong. The vast majority of people do think rape is a moral wrong. You implied that only Christians and leftists thought so -- that was bullshit. Everybody but your obscure philosophical sect could be wrong, but you didn't even say that -- you said it w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 06:23 PM
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Where do you get that from what he said? Where do you get that it's limited to fantasies? He didn't say "rape fantasy," he said "rape." OP never used the word "fantasy." He might have been talking about fantasies. It's not clear. What is clear that people reading what he wrote could not have known what he meant, because he didn't put together a coherent thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 05:37 PM
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It does. Knowing what "LMR" is is like knowing which race is the "master race." It's the kind of thing it takes an asshole or idiot to "know."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 05:34 PM
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You're so upset you can't think straight. Or maybe I'm upset because I'm thinking straight. Maybe that explains why people on TRP aren't all upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 02:22 PM
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I'm not a Christian or a Leftist You don't have to be. I have to say that most conservative atheists would agree that killing is wrong, and that rape is wrong. There is a coherent way to say that you don't believe in morality, and you are not saying it that way. Morality is a code for living your own life and applying your values to achieve your rational best interest. So... you're an egoist? Really? Do you realize how obscure a moral theory that is? And how low it ranks in the opinion of any se…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 02:01 PM
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So the legislature sets morality? Nothing is wrong unless your state's lawmakers say it's wrong? Again, what the fuck is wrong with you? I can only implement a debate tactic if what you say is not so profoundly stupid that quoting it is all there is to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 12:42 PM
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I'm not going to provide definitions for things that you can easily google yourself. Your ignorance regarding the discussion is not my problem to solve. Ugh. I think it's ignorance to know what these terms mean, as they were made up by people with agendas who are trying to trick you into buying books or some other bullshit, but fine. I googled them. What bullshit. "Last minute resistance" sounds like revocation of consent. When she revokes consent, you do not have permission to have sex with her…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 12:27 PM
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I don't see whats so hard. Rape her. Consensually. That's a pretty hard thing for most people to do, considering it gives rise to a logical contradiction. Rape means sex without consent. And something posted recently on TRP was the "sex god method". Silly name but it explains what I mean. You'll have to find it via google though, don't want to post copyrighted stuff. The method itself is not copyrighted, only the way it is expressed is copyrighted. So the books. I can't believe I actually search…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:43 AM
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Is there a coherent message he is trying to deliver? I still don't know what message he is trying to deliver, but there are a lot of bad lessons one could draw from what he wrote (such as, "it's not rape if you look good and have lots of money.")
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:36 AM
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Why not provide context? So when is it rape instead of ravishment? Aside from obvious cases of drugging someone or having sex with the unconscious (for the feminazi retards: No one here condones these instances of legitimate rape) the difference is strictly in the disparity of your SMV's. The stranger-in-the-bush is often characterized as some seedy low-life thug. This evokes intense fear. Being forcefully held down in bed by the muscular CEO of a Fortune 500 company does not evoke this fear. No…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:35 AM
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What he was describing was being forcefully held down in bed, regardless of consent, as long as he's good-looking. And he used the word rape to describe that. Whether he knew what he was doing or not, that's fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:32 AM
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Yes. The OP never fucking said that. It never used the word consent. The OP was terribly confused, to say the least, about what rape is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:30 AM
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First of all: he says women want to be raped. That's advocating rape. The fact that he doesn't seem to know what rape means doesn't change what he said. Second: he very clearly seems to think that whether or not it's rape, it's okay if you're good-looking/"high value," because every woman wants to have sex with you and automatically consents.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:29 AM
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Yeah, I'm honestly still confused by what OP thought he meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:25 AM
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It's a crime, not a moral issue. What the fuck is wrong with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:24 AM
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He said, "that one side is absolutely unwilling to accept." I'm assuming he's talking about the mainstream society that you have to swallow the red pill to escape.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:23 AM
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I think that if you asked OP, he would say no -- but he'd struggle through a long debate about what he really did mean and never admit to having mangled his words, or say "obviously I meant X, even though by all measurable standards I said Y."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:20 AM
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First of all, "having rape fantasies" and "wanting to be raped" are not semantically equivalent. They are very different in very important ways. As I said elsewhere: I have fantasies about fucking porn stars and random women I don't know. I don't actually want to have sex with them -- I don't know them. That doesn't mean I don't fantasize about it. I can also tell you that very few nerds want to go toe to toe with dragons. Saying women fantasize about rape is fine, if you know what you're saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:17 AM
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Neither do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:11 AM
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Ah. So RPS is wrong about what the sidebar says, and the sidebar still says the wrong thing. All is not most. All is all. That's how English works. I can except if they want to say that all makes up for a few outliers... but here's an obvious problem: "All women have long hair." Or, "All women are attracted to men." See how those terms definitely fit TRP's definition of "all," but not any sane or practicable definition? What's more, their policy on generalization is a problem, and it's part of w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 11:11 AM
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Yeah, and he seems to think that rape isn't rape if you're good looking enough, and then there's just another word for it and it's morally acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:59 AM
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I... don't know what you mean by "being taken by force," (or "rape," for that matter), but I assure you, many of us in this thread are not confused -- few as much so as the OP. We've discussed OP's confusion, and why I think it's a problem, elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:57 AM
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Never. But I'm acting on what I've been told, and you seem to be acting on what you think you'd do if you were being raped. The phrase "which is what you do when you're being raped" clearly implies that there is only one reaction, which is just not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:55 AM
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If that's a real no, then real no's are weak. As we've established, they don't always say no at all. You can say that's a mistake all you want (I agree). But you can't say taht it isn't a real no because it sounds weak. She might mean it. You haven't said that it's impossible -- is it possible that a woman says "no" weakly, in a way that you don't think sounds like a real no, but it is? Is it so extremely unlikely that you're willing to risk raping her because you don't want to take two more min…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 10:53 AM
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I agree that if a woman does not wish to give consent they should try to do something about it. Do you realize that they don't, always, and that there's something wrong in society that makes them feel like they can't say no? Many feminists argue that that "something wrong" is that, when they do say no, you don't think they mean it. there's a distinct difference between "saying no" and really saying no. How well do you know the partner? Do you have a safe word established? If not, and you don't k…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 02:51 AM
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I don't mean to imply that my problems are purely semantic. My problems are semantic, and then he takes the confusing concepts he creates with his semantic issues and advocates for them in a damaging way. Some readers will not be able to distinguish that consent is required. Other users, like the OP, will think that "rape" can refer to certain consensual acts, and then go on to advocate for rape "in some cases." What they really mean to do is advocate for things that aren't rape, but they will c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 02:45 AM
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I should also clarify -- these legal definitions are very largely related to practical concerns, such as the difficulty of proving actual consent versus the difficulty of showing an actual bruise. This is also why marital rape did not exist in the law for a long time -- some people thought it didn't make sense at all, but others thought it happened, but was just so rare that they shouldn't allow the claims. What a statute says is not meant to be the definition of the crime for practical purposes…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 02:39 AM
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I don't think the OP actually knows what rape is. He's just blindly advocating for it anyway. I think he wouldn't advocate for non-consensual sex, but people reading that thread will be confused and some will think non-consensual sex is just the bee's knees.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 02:35 AM
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It's not a coherent statement. If it's consensual, it isn't rape. I f you agree with that statement, you don't know what the word rape means.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 02:32 AM
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Those are very standard red pill/pickup concepts that are relevant to this discussion. I've been around, and I've never heard them. I do know that TRP makes up new terminology to justify bullshit every day. Is it more of that? Not going to do your homework for you. As though reading about TRP is some sort of wholesome learning exercise. We're having a discussion, and you refuse to tell me what you mean because I should know. I don't think I should be an expert on TRP -- I think it takes a real j…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 02:23 AM
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Yes. I thought we established that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 02:21 AM
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which is what you do when you're being raped. How many times have you been raped? Many rape victims don't even say no, as they don't believe they have a choice. Of course, I wouldn't find the man culpable in such a case if the non-consent was not made manifest, but the point here is clear: men should know that when women say no, they often mean it, and should stop, check, and clarify. If you ignore her because she hasn't succesfully pushed you off yet, you are being unreasonable, and you're a fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 02:20 AM
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Well, if they didn't want it to be rape in the show, they could have made it look less like rape. I think it's a very extreme case in terms of what can be expressed and what can be understood.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 02:11 AM
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Bullshit. There's a fucking difference. I explained what I thought the difference was. You can't just say I'm an asshole for saying there's a difference after I've explained myself. You have to actually explain why it's not a real difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 02:09 AM
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I don't see why it should be a defense to rape that no force was used. ( As a matter of fact, I don't see why it's a defense (in the criminal law context) that the sex was consensual -- the defense should be that the accused rapist reasonably believed that the sex was consensual. Now, when I say that, I mean: it's rape if it isn't consensual, but the criminal law deals with the defendant and the state, not the victim, so should be about the defendant's mens rea and action, rather than about the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 02:08 AM
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It's their usual defensive strategy: whenever somebody on TRP says something stupid and gets upvoted like crazy, other RPers say "I didn't say that, so you can't criticize it." We're not criticizing you, we're criticizing what TRP seems to be. If you agree it's wrong, don't tell us that you don't agree, tell them that you don't agree and try to move TRP to something less obviously stupid. And if they don't listen to you, then guess what: you're not as RP as you thought you were.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 02:06 AM
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So if I understand correctly: The TRP sidebar says, "when we say all, we mean some." RPS used that definition of the word all. People pointed out how fucking stupid that is. RPS complained that people didn't understand that "all" meant literally the only thing the word "all" doesn't mean. Again, people point out how stupid that is. RPS just doesn't fucking get it. The sidebar still says that. TRP still tells people that "all women this" and "all women that" and still tries to confuse people abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 02:02 AM
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Right, so Cersei and Jaime. Cersei said no, and actually expressed non-consent pretty clearly. If I was in a jury watching that video, I wouldn't think twice. But being a viewer of GoT, I do. I know the nature of their ongoing relationship, and the nature of that moment. I feel like she might be saying something more like, "I want this, but don't make me want it here and now." Or something. Now, if she didn't want to have sex there, she didn't want to have sex and that's still rape. But it's mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 01:31 AM
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OP meant a consensual act that he calls rape is okay. People read that and they think that what the word rape means signifies something that is okay. Because everybody in that sub is extremely confused about what rape is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 01:21 AM
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I have no idea what you mean by "last minute resistance" or "anti slut defense." What are they? I have not said "well yeah but you should be quieter about it" yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 01:20 AM
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Okay. I haven't read any of these scenes (I heard 50 Shades was really poorly written). I can imagine people overreacting slightly to something more consensual than they give it credit for. I'll shift the example to one we might both be familiar with: Game of Thrones. There's one particular scene in season four that people are pissed about, but which I was torn over -- let me know if it won't be a spoiler, and we can continue the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 01:11 AM
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"Women have rape fantasies" and "women want to be raped" are very different statements. I have fantasies about fucking porn stars and random women I don't know. I don't actually want to have sex with them -- I don't know them. That doesn't mean I don't fantasize about it. I can also tell you that very few nerds want to go toe to toe with dragons. Saying women fantasize about rape is fine, if you know what you're saying. Saying women want to be raped is really, really offensive and for good reaso…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 01:07 AM
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I didn't say there would be no rape if we told the masses "no means no." We do, and there still is. But "no means no" brings a whole lot of clarity to a whole lot of people who think no is meaningless and that if she doesn't want sex she will actually push you off of her (and not just attempt to, but succeed). There's a long conversation to be had with those who want to have it; in lieu of that conversation, "no means no" is the only explanation that will not result in lots of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 01:05 AM
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What do you think the word rape means?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 01:02 AM
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I think there are some things that are fine on an individual scale but problematic on the large scale. I've had multiple female friends who are much shorter than me say they could never date me because of my height. They're fine people, but the situation I'm in is not fine. I don't blame it on anybody, but it's still a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 01:01 AM
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Yes. The fact that he's advocating for it. If he clearly only meant one of those things, and it was the okay one, it would be fine that he was advocating for it. But that he advocates for his confused concept is damaging. Particularly, I think there is a strong sentiment in that thread that if she is attracted to him, then it's okay, regardless of actual consent. Nobody really seems to be talking about consent at all... There are a lot of people who will walk away from that thread thinking rape …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 12:58 AM
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I feel like they usually mean "don't settle for men who are abusive fucks or make you feel bad." Granted, they don't always communicate that well... I've certainly had feminist friends tell me they were raised to settle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 12:47 AM
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"The Patriarchy" is the best example - "mysteriously", all of the men who weren't villains aren't in the story! What. A. Coincidence. Elliot Rodgers - a man kills 5 men and 2 women, let's try to keep anyone from realizing men were killed. I have no idea what the hell you're trying to say here. I don't think you're in the right thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 12:44 AM
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He throws in words about consent to prove he doesn't know what rape is. He also says that women want you to rape them. The whole sub -- and many TRPers in this thread -- seem to be terribly confused about what rape is. TRP doesn't actually "advocate" anything, it just says "well, if you want a happy life, here's what you should do." And then they pretend that they aren't advocating that action by not taking the one last step to remove that if. They think that women want rape; this is very thinly…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 12:43 AM
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Because "ravishment" does not mean "non-consensual sex." If it meant non-consensual sex, it would be rape. edit: Ah, I did just look up the word "ravish," and there is one outdated definition by which it means "rape." By that definition, "ravishment" is a vile, disgusting, and evil act that is not common and does not fit into lady porn. Any "ravishment" in those cases is a consensual type.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 12:33 AM
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No, they don't give a shit then either, they just say you don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 12:29 AM
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I have a few ideas about why everybody hates them, but the reasons are quite vast in number.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 12:26 AM
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Or a lot of responsibility and introspection Some of that, but a whole lot of rape, definitely. that one side is absolutely unwilling to accept. What the fuck are you high on? You really think mainstream society wants to keep you from thinking? Between mainstream society and TRP, one of them has rules against dissent. Hint: It's not mainstream society.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 12:25 AM
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Having a man you already want sexually "ravish" you isn't really rape--it's just a man taking charge and you consenting back. There is nothing that "isn't really rape" but is kind-of sort-of rape. It's either rape or it isn't. It's about consent and nothing else. Granted, it seems OP thought he was talking about a consensual act -- evidence that most of TRP has no idea what the word rape even means. It's rape when a man you have zero interest in having sex with forcibly inserts himself into you,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/14 12:23 AM
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For the masses, yes. The alternative involves a whole lot of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:58 PM
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Whatever it's called, it's not called rape. But he said that women want to be raped. So he's an idiot advocating for rape, rather than a person who knows anything about rape advocating for rape. You're not convincing me that his post was okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:24 PM
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You never said that. If sex is nonconsensual, I would call it rape. Has nothing to do with anything else. That's the word for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:22 PM
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... What? Consent isn't part of the definition of either word, and both are nonconsensual? What the fuck are you trying to say?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:15 PM
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No, it's advocating rape, it's just doing it poorly. He says, "rape women, but wait, the best way to do it is consensually." OP is confused as fuck. I linked to another comment that actually explained the difference, but it hasn't gotten that much attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:13 PM
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No, they don't get it but they think they get it and they don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:11 PM
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Naw, but pointing that out tends to confuse people. "No means no" is simple, easy to understand, and by far closer to the truth than "it's complicated."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:10 PM
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TRPers have a tendency to delete posts when they get caught saying something stupid enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:08 PM
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How the fuck are you going to know? If you hear no, you better fucking stop, check and clarify. Perhaps set up a safe word. Short of that, yeah, no means no.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:01 PM
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Where are you seeing a definition of rape that's not about consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 11:00 PM
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As a man, I wish people had told me to settle more. I wish I knew how. But people tell me to shoot for the stars so fucking often...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 10:58 PM
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Consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 10:52 PM
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There is one comment that tries to draw a line between rape and rape fantasies, but it also generalizes to say that all women have those fantasies. http://www.reddit.com/r/theredpill/comments/2bowat/women_want_to_be_raped_by_a_high_value_man/cj7frck
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/14 10:41 PM
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You disagree, you could just say that. Instead, since I disagree with you, you think you deserve an apology. I've disagreed with friends before, reasonably, and told them that, respectfully. If all we had on our hands was a disagreement, we'd be much better off. You, though... You're a monster. You're trying your best to take something horrible that happens to people and use it against them. This is not a mere disagreement. Apologize.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/14 11:36 PM
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Because a person who has been divorced with feels like their lives were turned inside out. Like they were violated to the core and don't know where to turn. Okay, so just to be clear, although you tried to deny it at first, you are now admitting that you meant to compare divorce to sexual rape, right? Lots of things make people feel the way you tried. Torture does. Mugging does sometimes. Wrongful imprisonment. And a variety of emotionally manipulative behaviors (which TRP seems to think are per…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/14 10:46 PM
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4.an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation;violation: the rape of the countryside. 7.to plunder (a place); despoil. Yes, I've heard the phrase "rape and pillage." I notice you aren't calling it "divorce plundering" or "divorce pillaging" or "divorce theft" or "divorce attack" or "non-consensual divorce" or anything like that. You're calling it "divorce rape," and the only reason I can imagine is that you want to piss off as many people as possible. If there's another, please le…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/14 07:26 PM
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yours have to critically think about the state of being a man in America. I think critically about it. I'm not the one who thinks men are under attack. You sound worse than the fox news evangelists who think that society is attacking Christianity. Here's a good article Where? All I see is "A case for anger." Anger is an entirely healthy response to gross injustice. Sure. Show me a gross injustice. The author goes on to quote one internet post by a clearly untrustworthy writer. He claims that his…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/14 11:46 AM
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These trends came shortly after the advent of no-fault divorce and national child support laws. Yes. Are you saying it's a problem? That was the intent of the no-fault divorce movement. People were getting stuck in shitty marriages, and fault grounds were weird and apparently arbitrary lines keeping them there. Are you suggesting we go back? Why? Just so we can have lower numbers? For the first time, the primary caregiver had the ability to get the output of the primary breadwinner through the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 08:24 PM
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Whoops -- I just messaged you, but it seems you already saw me. Most successful marriages have ups and downs. Having an incentive for both parties to work through the downs is essential for its success. As I've stated, that incentive is gone in marriage today. The spouse with lesser financial incentive who is the primary caregiver has the power, and thus less incentive to work through the downs of the marriage. But it's not about incentives. Good marriages don't stay together only because leavin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/14 12:29 AM
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One of the points of that article is that New Jersey doesn't have a mechanism to adjust child support. But it does have a mechanism to adjust alimony, which is what I said. alimony is generally much more significant than child support. But I'm not sure why we're talking about child support. It can exist without a marriage. You're complaining about divorce, right? Don't get married, impregnate a woman, and break up with her, you still owe the duty of child support to your kid. Yet he could only a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 04:55 PM
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Just to be clear, you just said ever. http://bergendispatch.com/articles/32762672/For-Some-In-Bergen-County-Longterm-Unemployment-May-Mean-Long-Term-Jail-.aspx Those men were not cleaned out by divorce settlements, they were cleaned out by alimony, child support, and unemployment. Again, child support is the only one of these related to a significantly gendered aspect of jury verdicts, but both parents are expected to contribute financially to the care of the child, not only the non-custodial pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/14 01:17 AM
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Does that change who you are initially attracted to. Just because you want more from a woman doesn't mean that you're not attracted to tits and ass like 9 out of 10 other men. But you didn't just say that men are usually attracted to beautiful women. You said: Men want to fuck and want the security of knowing they're going to fuck more in the future. And that's relatively low on my priority list. Again, I wouldn't mind it, but I want it to come some time through a long, fulfilling relationship. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/14 01:38 PM
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It's not an insult, individual humans just aren't unique snowflakes. Yes there are exceptions, but for the most part individual men and women are not unique in their sexual desire. If that's an insult you have very thin skin. I never said I was a snowflake, but I'm not the average man reduced to a statistical norm, nor am I the average man as made up by TRP pseudo-scientists. If I say the stereotype that men like women, you can disprove that up by talking about gay men. But the tendency is still…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 05:25 PM
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So why blame it on feminists?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 11:55 AM
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Would it help you feel better if I said the nature of men is pretty transparent as well? Not really. First of all, you can't defend your insults to one gender by insulting the other gender too. I'm a person. Don't get me wrong: I wouldn't mind fucking, but I absolutely resent being reduced to the ridiculous stereotype you present. Second, it's not just that you think it's transparent, but you think it's a transparent inferiority. You (seem to) think that something awful and untrue about the worl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 11:54 AM
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Blue isn't a real side, though. It's just whoever TRP disagrees with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 11:41 AM
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Red pill is this philosophy some sociopaths thought up. Blue pill is the way they describe everybody who disagrees them. Purple pill is the way they describe people who are close to falling for their bullshit. None of these terms make any sense unless you follow the TRP philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 11:39 AM
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How many regards? Are men inferior in any ways? Do you really think women are not inferior as a whole, or do you just not want to admit that because you know it's awful?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 11:34 AM
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If you've been following TRP for any length of time, the nature of women is pretty transparent. As much as I hate your implication that women are obviously inferior to men, this post is pretty clear, and contributes to the conversation thoroughly. So, for the record (although you don't seem to care): I upvoted you and hate you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 04:03 AM
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There are literally hundreds floating around this thread. Hundreds. 64 in this imgur link: http://imgur.com/a/bGiiW.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 04:01 AM
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Yeah. It was tenuous, but that's all I got.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 03:58 AM
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call out her rationalization hamster, just by calling it if I were her, and somebody said "rationalization hamster" to me, I would be profoundly confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 03:57 AM
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control her emotional outbursts I can't tell you how many times redpillers have told me that they don't try to control women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 03:54 AM
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if TRP is all about directness? It only claims to be. It claims to be all that's right with the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 03:49 AM
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Jesus Christ, he wasn't even subtle about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 03:25 AM
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You earned it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 03:21 AM
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Thank you for compiling all of that. They feel they can get away with one insult at a time, as long as they don't say women are inferior overall. They break it down piece by piece to rationalize it and make it not sound as bad. What they really think is, women are all of the things you listed, but that's not morally blameworthy for the same reason a tiger isn't morally blameworthy for eating living things -- it's just what that thing does. Women are just mechanically structured to be irrational,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 03:20 AM
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TRP does not like to admit how sexist it is. It likes to be more subtle with phrases like "captain and first mate," which of course really means "#1 and #2," or "in charge and not in charge," but sounds a lot better when you phrase it as "captain and first mate" because the first mate is a relatively high position in a crew of more than two people. TRP likes to speak in as vague terms as possible when it's being sexist, so that we can't pin you guys to one idea. If some guy just comes out and sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 03:18 AM
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I think most of these laws were passed off by uptight/prudish conservative douchehats who didn't think, or politicians who realized that sex offenders and stuff were easy political targets.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 03:12 AM
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No, the question was: given that it happens, why does it happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 03:09 AM
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humans evolved sex differences? What were those sex differences? Which ones should we put up with, and which ones are just inevitable facts? humans evolved different mating strategies due to these sex differences? And also due to some social constructs based on harmful thinking. Those should be corrected. women evolved to be attracted to high status men? What is high status? Where is your evidence? men evolved to be attracted to young and physically attractive women and have a much greater tende…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 03:00 AM
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Well, beards require maintenacne, or else they get food stuck in them and they get dirty and shit...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 02:54 AM
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Honestly, I think that'd be a good idea -- but far from the biggest priority here. We have to start worrying less about image bit by bit, and right now, the pressure on women to care about their image is a little too high for us to make them stop doing the things they do because they care. First, slap advertisers with real regulation on photoshopping and unrealistic this-and-that in their ads. At the same time, educate society about the empty shallowness of focusing on another person's appearanc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 02:53 AM
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In our minds, that's not "dread game," it's "communication." if the people who invented the phrase "dread game" want to encroach on sane ideas with their definition of their perverse science, that's fine. But nobody in mainstream society says that you shouldn't communicate with your partner. The relevant teachings of "dread game" are the parts where it's something other than communication, and those are obviously the parts we're talking about here, and reacting to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 02:48 AM
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Well, it's supposed to appeal to your intuition, on some level, that a person intending to do some wrong is worse than a person who does it out of instinct and doesn't know any better. Immanuel Kant talks about this. An example by which I learned, in terms of moral good, is this: you need a babysitter. You have a cousin who can help you. If one of your cousins really loves your kid, and gets a lot of pleasure out of helping you... Well, that's nice, and you'd probably prefer to have that cousin …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 02:45 AM
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When a person naturally behaves this way, it isn't manipulative, but it is at least sometimes still dickish. Being nice with the intent of manipulating, is manipulative. Being nice, not as part of some strategy, but because that's who you are, is perfectly nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 02:35 AM
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Don't forget that, for at least centuries, all of society was sexually repressed, and women particularly so, as they had zero access to birth control, and a one night stand would turn them un-dateable, un-marryable, and necessarily homeless. Society might still be lagging behind whatever makes sense. Insisting on keeping in line with our old ways might be holding us back from the right way to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/14 02:25 AM
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I'm trying to understand her claim. I didn't say she was a slave, unless she's actually telling me that she's the second person out of two to make decisions, and that she does whatever person #1 tells her to do, in which case, that's what being a slave is. The definition of slavery has nothing to do with happiness. She did not say she doesn't have quite as dominant a role, or anything so modest. She said that she doesn't make decisions anymore. That's a very different statement. You're the one w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/14 07:47 PM
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No, I genuinely have no idea how somebody can see second place out of two as a good thing, as winning, or as anything other than "last."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/14 06:52 PM
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Sorry, I just got to this. Three things I noticed: Your glorious relationship expert is a Trekkie. A relationship does not have a crew. It's (usually) two people. Being the second in command is the same as being the last in command. Furthermore, while, on a plane, it's convenient to put the ultimate responsibility on one person, in a relationship, there is no need to or reason in doing so. Both partners can handle that weight, and both partners make the investment that goes hand in hand with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/14 02:20 PM
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Scientologists use physical and psychological coercion. Physical? Really? I'm the guy saying people should adopt gender roles if it's what works for them That's not what TRP seems to be about. It seems to very much say, "this is what men do, this is what women do, and there isn't anything else in the world."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/14 02:57 PM
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I did not say nice guytm, I said nice guy. Stop using bullshit TRP language and start using English. I care about a woman's preferences, but if they are incompatible with my personality, she doesn't like me, and I don't want to change who I am to make her like me. I want to find one who likes who I am. Now, there are aspects of my behavior I am perfectly willing to change, like not cracking my knuckles or making fewer fart jokes (hahahaha farts), but I can't and won't just become an asshole beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 03:57 PM
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Well, no, you don't even have an anecdote supporting that. I haven't heard of or tried bitter ice cream, and can scarcely imagine it. In my imagination, it isn't good, but that's just a guess, really. If you can figure out a good recipe, though, let me know!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 03:49 PM
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No. If you think that being a slave and being a first mate are the same then I'm sorry. I never said slave, but now that you mention it, what's the difference? Only the right to walk away? statistical trueism You mean anectdotally proven biotroof, right? capable of taking care of them (without dominating them) All I'm hearing is about dominating them. I don't really see anything in this thread about taking care of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 12:14 AM
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The problem is not her expressing it, it's her expecting it. I'm not the kind of douchebag you're trying to convince me women are attracted to. I'm a nice guy. I want to be a nice guy. I like being a nice guy. If a woman can't accept me for who I am, I don't care whether she says it or just acts that way, I don't want to be with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 12:10 AM
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I meant to say this earlier -- dude, that documentary is forty minutes long in a foreign language, I'm not watching it. I've seen foreign films before, but a documentary in a foreign language would just suuuuuckkk.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 12:05 AM
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Since you're so happy to compare him to a king, I guess that would make me the queen, not a subject, not a peasant, the queen. The second in command. Second out of two, and subject to beheading at the King's order. Sure. Queen, whatever. Not really any different than a slave in this context, except for the amount of jewelry. Usually if I don't want to have sex I have a pretty good reason not to want to have sex. He never forces himself on me. If he wants sex and I don't usually I try to compromi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/14 12:04 AM
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Not really. The closest thing to what you're saying is the work of Peter Singer, who says that I should give until I'm giving something of comparable moral significance to what is received... Which I find pretty compelling. But I'm kind of six figures in debt, right now, soooo...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/14 11:41 PM
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That is to say that NOTHING in TRP is a proscription for how WOMEN should behave. NOTHING. No, only how they should be treated, and how they should be expected to behave. And how, if they don't behave that way, they're a bunch of feminist bitches or hamsters or whatever the fuck other word you made up to make fun of people who don't fit into your world view. statistically From what I can tell in TRP, that means "this tooottally explains this one anecdote, so it's statistically proven."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/14 11:35 PM
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Men's brains a wired front to back, women's side to side. Girls prefer faces. Boys prefer mechanical systems. Huh. Interesting. And that autism study -- this is something they found outside the context of autism, right? Are you kidding me? Testosterone and estrogen are both absolutely tied to behavor. Yes, that's why I listed them first. I'll look at the rest of those studies at some point. Although I somehow doubt any of them supports the proposition that women should be treated like children.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/14 12:11 PM
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But my husband is my husband and he's a good man. So my objection about the good king still stands, I guess: just because he's good, it's okay to give him broad, blanket authority over you? When he wants sex and you don't, is it you who decides you aren't going to have sex, or him? Is he just being nice when he decides to listen to you? Who decided that it wasn't going to happen? have looked at myself and realized I was laying fault on others. I have trouble understanding why people think this i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/14 12:04 PM
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I'm not telling you to avoid pleasure. I see plenty of pleasure in my life, but it doesn't come from immoral behavior; morality has to come first.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/14 11:44 AM
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How many times have you heard "What do you want to do?" "I dunno, what do you want to do?" "I dunno." Or "Where do you want to go to eat." "I dunno. Where do you want to go to eat?" "Chinese?" "No, I'm not in the mood for that." "Well where do you want to eat?" "I dunno anything sounds good." "Italian?" "No..." Usually, somebody suggests something. Sometimes, it dies there. Whatever. I don't see that as a real problem. If both are indecisive the ship goes no where. And a camel equidistant betwee…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/14 03:23 AM
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if your goal is to maximize your sexual attractiveness a man Then you've lost sight of morality, haven't you? The first and foremost determinant of your behavior should be ethics. I'm sorry I don't quite understand what your problem is. If I say, the majority of men are taller than 5'4", you wouldn't take that to mean that men are taller than 5'4", right? Some men are shorter. Even if you show me a statistical tendency among women to prefer what you say they have a tendency to prefer, I take off…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/14 01:55 AM
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We just had a thread in which the red pill brought up a study, and studies get mentioned all the time on TRP (usually with a healthy debate as to whether they should be accepted). I personally made a thread a while back that put out several of them. can you link me to a couple of these? It's recently been proven that the brains of men and women are wired differently Really? Wow, here I thought neither was wired at all. What do you mean, "wired differently?" and there is an emerging science which…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/14 01:50 AM
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Ok. If sexim is ok, and the question of the thread is "No, seriously, how is "Captain and First Mate" not extremely sexist?" the answer to that question is: "It is sexist. The red pill is sexist. It doesn't claim to not be. And why does it matter to you, at all?" Whoops. I misspoke. It presupposes that sexism is bad. Children shouldn't be allowed to drive. Woah, wait! You happen to agree with that one? That's so awful. I mean, right now, out there somewhere, there is a ten year old child who dri…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/14 01:14 PM
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Even friendship is a Captain and First Mate and sailors dynamic as bands of friends have a hierarchy of leadership, of who tells what to do together, who settles conflicts etc. That's not how my friendships work at all. I am on equal footing with my friends. Any one of us might suggest we go somewhere, pick a place, ask what's going on, or settle an issue between any other two. I personally feel like it sounds unhealthy to have one friend in charge. Why should ANYTHING be egalitarian and thus la…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/14 01:01 PM
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I'm sure I'll be banned from that place soon. I got my ban a long time ago. It's a shame, too... I wish I could have yelled at them for threads like the one where they talk about treating women like children... If, and I don't know if what you claim is accurate, but if they believe that men are the masters and women have to be obedient then they should get themselves a dog and call it a day. That's crazy talk. They can't fuck a dog. I think that's the primary difference in their minds. I mean, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/14 12:56 PM
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It's semantics really. I think it's a relevant type of semantics. What you call things matters. Imagine if TRP were to say, "Captain and bitch who should be put in her place." You could argue that, when they say "bitch who should be put in her place," what they really mean is, "strong woman" (bitch) "who should be standing proudly next to me as equals" (her place). Even if that is what those words mean, and I don't think it is, it's still a bad thing to call it because of the other interpretatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/14 12:49 PM
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But it doesn't necessarily matter to the "Captain and First Mate" dynamic, which is what you were asking about in the OP. I think it does, to TRP. I suppose if we edited the captain and first mate dynamic to be non-gendered, I'd have less issue with it, but it's gendered as TRP presents it. My point was: TRPers might not see any contradiction between wholesomeness and sexism. I tried having this discussion elsewhere. I suppose we do need a thread on whether sexism is bad. (It's like fucking kind…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 11:58 PM
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I have not seen one person who agrees with this Capt FM dynamic describe it like this. I haven't really seen anybody describe it. I'm trying to figure out what it involves. It sounds like it involves subservience and reinforcement of traditional gender roles. I'm seeking some clarification -- but it sounds like the Captain and First Mate dynamic does not apply to you at all. yet you ask my wife if her job is to look pretty and give blow jobs? WTF? That is not only condescending but it's damn dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 11:53 PM
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Does it matter what title or analogy is used if I don't feel unequal or less important? It's an analogy not law. It's an analogy they're pushing as though it's law. Their analogy says you're less important, doesn't it? Do you really want to keep defending the analogy? It doesn't have to represent your relationship -- if you don't feel less important, you don't sound like a first mate to a captain. Pull through if something were to happen. His health was to fail or he lost his job. When he's away…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 11:40 PM
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My gf is very feminen and I can tell she likes my life being the mission. Her mission is to make me a better man. I don't even understand what you get from a person whose purpose in life is to help you. What the fuck do you talk to her about? Have you ever seen Coming to America?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 10:51 PM
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Literally thousands more. I mean, any that say what you purport they say. But I put forward these as a test to see how you would respond. You failed that test. Oh, you mean, I figured out your bullshit? If I fell for it -- if I didn't even notice that the fourth article wasn't even a study at all, I would have passed? All of these studies support the universally accepted dominant male attraction theory None of these three studies do that. weaselling interpretations to misrepresent their conclusi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 11:48 AM
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It's is being sexist ok? No, but the question of the thread presupposes that sexism is okay. A few people in this thread are saying it's not sexist, and I feel like a good number of the people on TRP would prefer to say that they're not sexist. If we're going to have a conversation of which morality is a part, we need to get our moral terms straight. You think it is okay to judge people before meeting them on the basis of gender, right? Why? Here's why I think it is not okay, in terms you can un…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 11:29 AM
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plural of anecdote is not only not "data" I know that. That was my point -- no number of tiny little stories outside of a coordinated study or statistical model of some sort counts as "data." it isn't "patriarchy", either. ... what? No, the plural of anecdote is not patriarchy. WTF are you talking about? I provided what is probably the three most common bits of advice offered to new grooms. I admit I've never gotten married, but what I tend to hear is stuff like "never go to bed angry." And no, …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 11:19 AM
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It used to be an exceptionally good ticket. The ticket gets better odds if the risk is toned down. Hedge funds aren't complicated, they make leveraged bets in both directions, trying to get a tiny incremental return out of the gap that gets multiplied by their leverage factor. There used to be hedgies posting 1000%+ returns, now all the money has left them scrambling to beat the index funds (too much money playing the same ways reduces the return). I was with you for part of that, I promise. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 04:36 AM
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Doesn't feminism have rather a lot to say about invalidating another person's experiences? I don't know much about feminism, but I know that logic 101 says that anecdotes are not evidence of their generalizations. Rather, I have stopped being passive and subordinate in relationships and treated them more like my other friendships, both I and my partner seem happier that way. Wait, do you follow the Captain/First Mate dynamic?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 04:33 AM
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Touch a nerve, did I? Nope. I've been monotone pissed about TRP since I found it. You don't want evidence, and I have no desire to get down in the weeds with you. I really do. Show me some. And if you find evidence to the contrary, don't go saying, "oh, but he's a professor, so he's a feminist dumbass." Give me reasons based in actual analysis of the science and statistics that a hypothesis is supported or refuted.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 04:29 AM
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Kay makes a tidy living counselling people, and lots of people are happier with some form of the C/FO dynamic. Scientologist priests (or whatever the fuck they have) make a tidy living. And so do marriage counselors who are not Redpill. So if that's evidence, the world is inconsistent. Right back atcha - what's your evidence that "equality" is an awesome relationship dynamic? I don't collect it. Usually, when I see an old couple say a thing like that in a youtube video, I think it sappy, obvious…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 04:26 AM
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The title first mate isn't given to some lowly deck hand. It is a person whose opinion is respected. The First Mate is lower than the Captain, right? And how many people are there in most relationships, again? A person who you trust can pull through if the Captain cannot. Pull through for who? Pull through and do what? Blow the captain? Stay home and raise his children? Look pretty? There are no deckhands. This is two people we're talking about. The First Mate is nothing more than the one who is…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 04:22 AM
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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110207142623.htm "Decisive and dominant partner" and "she can't tell what the fuck he thinks about her" sound like opposites to me. http://www.researchgate.net/publication/227653109_The_dominance_dilemma_Do_women_really_prefer_dominant_mates This study says that women prefer low dominance over high. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/head-games/201305/the-allure-aggressive-men Our debate is around relationships. This article says that, according to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 04:14 AM
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Yeah, that's the word I meant to use. Do you think it is acceptable to be what that definition says you are?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 04:00 AM
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Since when does TRP acknowledge that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/14 03:58 AM
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it doesn't matter what your sexes are. It matters to TRP, doesn't it? Perhaps TRPers are making the sexist assumption above, but don't see a contradiction between sexism and wholesomeness. They do make that assumption. And they don't treat it as an assumption, they treat it as a fact. That's the problem with sexism; it's treated like a reality, not a tendency or average.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 05:31 PM
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If both people are vying for control of the relationship Neither should be. Captain First Mate doesn't work for everyone. That's not what I read on TRP. Is your husband really the "captain?" It sounds like you have an equal, cooperative relationship. Maybe you've missed something, but what you described to me doesn't sound like TRP at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 05:26 PM
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Yeah. I don't think that's the only problem, but yes, I do think that's part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 05:17 PM
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Your mistake is thinking that hedge funds are competing to provide low-risk returns, when they're actually chasing for high payoffs. No, they're chasing profits. They want to maximize profits. At a large scale, whatever profits you make are low-risk. A hundred high-risk investments can predictably collapse into a predictable ROI. The women get a higher ROI on average than the men. The women make more money. The profit is higher with the women. But people don't put their money in a hedge fund for…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 05:15 PM
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I didn't downvote, and I did reply. The word "sexist" to me includes "wrong." You are generalizing people into predefined roles based on sex. That's a shitty, shitty thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 05:09 PM
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"Happy wife, happy life." I don't think anybody's said that since the 50's. "If mama ain't happy, nobody's happy." I've never heard that. There was a comic who could do a five-minute bit back in the 90's riffing on "You're right, I'm sorry" as the default for married men. There's also a comedian who does a bit about how insane it is for a woman to ever agree to go out with a man. He's currently widely regarded as probably the best comedian on the planet. Does the fact that a comedian says it mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 05:08 PM
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I try to take you seriously. And I'm trying to debate honestly. But really, I'm hoping that I can get through to one of you. I guess it's a bit of that XKCD comic -- somebody on the internet is wrong, and I need to do something about that -- I just don't know how to sit by and allow you to be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 05:01 PM
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decry things as being wrong and say that someone (in general men) should change it. WTF are you talking about? When things are wrong, everybody should work to change it. And they should. What's the problem with overcoming social injustices?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 04:59 PM
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But TRP is pretty insistent that what they say is just fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 04:58 PM
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Wrong, wrong, wrong - both as a descriptor of the dynamic between an actual, military Captain & First Officer, and as the dynamic in a marriage. Think of the relationship between Picard & Riker - Picard had final say, but Riker always had input and was a trusted adviser and was capable of running things in Picard's absence. Those two are the same damn thing. Admittedly, I never watched Star Trek, but... there's a difference between having input and being equals. It sounds like Picard is in charg…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 04:57 PM
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the majority of anti-TRP people That's the majority of people. that post here Are trying to talk to you, and are deigning to have a conversation on your terms. the majority of anti-TRP people that post here state explicitly that this isn't the case. Another made up statistic by another RP scientist. TBP is nothing more than satire is what they say, a place to ridicule and mock. It's a reason why decent discussion is rare here because you only have one side that's serious. I meant, TBP doesn't me…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 04:52 PM
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Most women indicate that they want a decisive and dominant male partner Where do they indicate this? Is there some study you can reference?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 04:49 PM
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No, but if it's even greater than 50% then that's what you should be betting on and conforming to. Bullshit. If it's greater than 50%, but you're with a person, and you're a person, figure out what works for you, not what statistically works for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 04:46 PM
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A counter movement? What is TBP moving to do? Shut TRP up, or stop people from joining, or in whatever way minimize its impact, or at least yell about how bad it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 04:38 PM
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Why on earth are we assuming this Because I and the vast majority of sane people think it, so it's useful to talk as though it's true. We can come back to this question later, if you want, but I'm trying to have a discussion here. where is this "against their wills" occuring? When we turn things into social expectations. Social expectations of people are powerful forces acting upon them. If men expect to be captains, and women want not to be shoved into the first mate role, but men shove them in…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 04:36 PM
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Every LTR is going to have a division of authority. I take some issue with this. Neither partner really needs authority over the other. You can cooperate. You don't have to tell one another how to be. Note I am not assigning genders here. TRP does, though. Unequivocally, unabashedly, and in an iron-clad way you can't disagree with right? The RP position, backed by both anecdote and evidence Anecdote doesn't mean much of anything to me, and I haven't seen TRP provide any actual evidence of anythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 04:29 PM
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but the aspect in which I -do- differ from RP is that I don't think all people need to conform to this relationship style to be happy. There are other options. That's the key difference. That's what makes their view sexist: not that they offer it as a possible dynamic that might work for some people, but that they insist upon it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 04:12 PM
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It's that women tend to not like being decisive, and tend to be turned on by a man who takes charge of things, even the most trivial things. Where's your evidence of this? I'm not saying it's false, I'm just saying it's something I want to see evidence of, and not just reinforce a traditional notion because it sounds about right. Some of our traditional notions are fucking stupid, and only still exist because nobody's seriously questioned them, and because of the confirmation bias. Second: if we…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 03:05 PM
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I wouldn't say sexism is just the concept that one gender is better or worse, but that a gender inherently belongs in a certain role--at least without strong evidence and a lot of leeway for personal preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 01:52 PM
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Okay, so assuming we think that it's bad when people are shoved into predefined gender roles against their wills and when we bias ourselves against people defining themselves in unique ways--isn't "Captain and first mate" also bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 01:51 PM
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What do you think sexist means?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 01:43 PM
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she has said to me that i'm the guy and thus it's on me to organize and arrange things, which i'm completely fine with, See, if she said she wanted you yo be in charge because that's who you are and who she is, I'd be fine with it. But her telling you that you have to be that person because you're a guy is sexist. My gender is not a monolith, to borrow TRP language. Some of us take charge, some of us work better in a cooperative dynamic, and some are even submissive, and there's nothing wrong wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 01:42 PM
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I don't think Women want to have the burden and responsibility if their decision was the wrong one. I think that, without any sort of evidence, it's pretty sexist to just say that generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 01:35 PM
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perhaps less risk-taking with such large collections of assets is a good trait. Well, a certain amount of risk-taking is good. But the people they hire for top hedge fund positions are total invulnerable alpha douchebags who couldn't possibly make a mistake -- you know, the riskiest assholes out there. So yeah, the women who get hired are more risk averse and therefore closer to reasonable. So, although on average, women will seem to manage better than males, if the hedge fund is looking to make…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 04:02 AM
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Not that many people leave (other) cults either. Because part of a cult's teaching is that other views are lies, or should be avoided, and that the logic of the cult shouldn't be questioned. TRP consistently and unabashedly bans people who disagree with them. And they try to teach you that "sexual strategy is amoral," IE that you should ignore moral objections brought up against TRP because don't worry they aren't relevant just keep doing what we told you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 03:48 AM
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As to 'why' it's sexist Why it's not. Maybe it's not sexist in your case, because it just happened -- because she doesn't want to make decisions, and because you still defer to her when the situation calls for it... But to treat this as though it's right, and any relationship that doesn't follow the pattern is unnatural and wrong -- that's sexist, isn't it? To think of it as a standard rule all relationships should follow that women don't get to make decisions is really fucking bad, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 03:31 AM
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Well, there's this: if you insist that all men should be doing is getting better until they are good enough to be with the women they want to be with (hypothetically -- that's absolutely not what TRP says), then the implication is that men should never lower their standards, and never settle. This is stupid as fuck. For one, some people have unrealistic expectations, and just can't reach those expectations. So making yourself better can't be the only strategy in becoming happy; you really might …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 03:24 AM
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I'm not entirely sure I've ever seen a red piller laugh at himself, or accept any real criticism. Can anybody find me any examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 03:03 AM
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The third thing you posted was not from /r/TheBluePill. It was from askreddit. Why did you link to a post from Askreddit to make fun of a completely different subreddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 02:59 AM
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Let's be clear: first of all, TBP is nothing but a counter movement to TRP. It doesn't make any sense to call people "red pill" and "blue pill," it's just the nonsensical language that TRP has chosen, because they think the matrix is an excellent metaphor for their idiocy. That there is a subreddit called /r/TheBluePill is ridiculous, and makes the most sense as a joke. But it's very easy for people who enjoy that type of humor to also get so fucking angry at the shit in that subreddit (seriousl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 02:58 AM
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I didn't mean it literally in the financial sense... But it's true literally in the financial sense, isn't it? Women consistently make the better hedge fund managers, but hiring preferences consistently and strongly skew male.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 02:20 AM
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Of course women make safer investors. Why do you think hedge funds and stuff prefer to hire men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 12:04 AM
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cats and dogs. So, aside from the fact that TRP tends to say that the rift between men and women is as vast as a rift between species, there's the fact that it consistently downgrades both men and women to non-human animals. For men, this allows them to banish all concept of morality; you are just a lion figuring out how to eat gazelle. You are just a sac of sperm trying to produce as many viable offspring as possible. Do what you gotta do, there's no blame there, it's not like you could control…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/14 12:03 AM
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Dread is part of relationships. Yeah, I guess, but healthy ones work to correct that. Dread is a part of life, but that doesn't mean I can go around terrifying people all day long. Treating the mechanics of relationships as a deep mystery when they aren't isn't morally superior, just willfully ignorant. I am sick of you telling me that I'm advocating ignorance. Not once did I advocate anything that sounded vaguely like ignorance. Do not put the same words in my mouth one more fucking time. I am …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/14 11:42 PM
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None of them had children or received support So, this isn't a completely useless anecdote at all. You are clearly and justifiably speaking for all women. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 04:23 PM
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But... that might cost you more in the actual divorce settlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 04:20 PM
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Bluepillers usually don't call themselves bluepillers, except when trying to communicate with redpillers. The "blue pill" is not any particular philosophy, it's what you guys have chosen to call everybody who isn't you But I asked for your personal position, and you still haven't given it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 12:23 PM
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Also the most upvoted, from what I see.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/14 02:52 AM
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Who said that? It's about intent, not knowledge. You might know that getting your girlfriend a present might lead her to like you more, stay with you, and do nice things for you, and still do it for her, and not for the selfish reasons. You might realize that sex will cause her to have emotions x, y, and z, but do it because you're horny, and not at all to manipulate those emotions. But I suspect if you're calling something "dread game," and using it, your'e not using it to fulfill any innocent …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 05:59 PM
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See, there's a problem here. Every time I try to explain why certain TRP views are terrible, people tell me that's not what TRP means to them. Well, if you want to have a debate about why your particular views, rather than those of TRP as a whole, are awful, you have to express your particular understanding of TRP -- which, I'm sure, if it's not sexist, dehumanizing, or terrible in some other way, is entirely unlike what I see anywhere in that subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 05:53 PM
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You seem to be saying that it is immoral to even ask certain questions. No, I just think you have to be amoral to not know the answers to these questions. Or a complete idiot. It doesn't matter what the answers are, only a monster would even ask. It totally matters what the answers are, but only a monster would need to ask. "How do relationships really work?" is the RP question. Isn't it "how can I make these stupid bitches do what I say?" Once you have answers, what you do with the knowledge is…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 02:38 AM
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Dread Game is deliberately invoking that fear to change behavior and enforce compliance. Are you really still having trouble seeing the problem here? But so are orgasms, money, and shows of tenderness and support. Are those evil? When they are used to manipulate, rather than out of love, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 02:24 AM
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I'm looking at this strictly from a behavioristic/game theory framework here. Do you know why the tragedy of the commons is called a "tragedy?" Because, while each individual is pursuing an individually optimal strategy, resources are being wasted. Similar with the Prisoner's "dilemma." We members of this thing called "society" have figured out this thing called "ethics." It involves considering good things, not only from a selfish perspective, but from a perspective inclusive of other people. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 12:13 AM
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they just don't care about anyone else's feelings. Yes! Yes, that's what people hate about them. is a sign of dangerously manipulative behavior. Isn't it, in and of itself, dangerously manipulative behavior? It can create a sort of 'emotional battering', where the partner is in a state of constant neurotic self-doubt, trying to please. What do you mean "it can create?" Isn't that what it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 12:08 AM
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I think " Dread Game" is certainly a high-risk set of strategies It's not about what you risk. It's about what you guarantee. It's not about what might happen to you. It's about what will happen to the person you're doing it to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/14 12:06 AM
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There are tons of explanations. The one you described might be right. This might be it: men are assholes and make the women initiate the divorce. How does the number of marriages that end because he hit her fit into TRP's worldview? Or, how about this: Women have traditionally been kept from work, and traditionally earn less from the market. Since divorce law requires an equitable division of assets, the women will get more than the market is giving them, whereas men will have to pay money out o…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 11:43 PM
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Out of curiosity, is that because of Siri? Because it, as an iPhone, is small and dainty? Or something less expressible than that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 11:28 PM
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Is it a she? Well, tell her she's welcome, I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 11:25 PM
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I don't like it when people refer to desktop computers as "real computers" or "actual computers." Don't sell your smartphone short -- thinking of them as something less than computers is holding them back.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 11:10 PM
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Since when is that unacceptable? I talk about that all the time, and nobody ever says I'm wrong. What you do is wrong for totally different reasons. TRP is largely associated with claims that dating sucks for men because women expect to be treated as thinking things with rights comparable to those of men. And it then recommends to overcome this by treating women as what they are, which is, apparently, animals. That's what's wrong with it. Even if it's effective, it's just morally deplorable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 10:46 PM
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I have tons of opinions I respectfully disagree with. I have very good libertarian friends. But TRP's insistence that humans are a bunch of mindless creatures (when that benefits them, like when you insist that women can't be decent human beings, and that's why you shouldn't blame them -- they can't change any more than a tiger can change it's stripes), but at the same time are in complete control of their realities (every overweight person is just a lazy, immoral sack of shit)... It's not that …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 10:40 PM
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Also, shitty opinions and extremely shitty opinions tend to get downvoted, even though the rules are about relevance to the conversation. I'm sorry if I downvote you because you're an idiot... you idiot. I'll try to stick to relevance as best I can in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:16 AM
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Wait, is the "use subreddit style" button not standard? Is that just an RES thing? or click the user's username, find the comment, and downvote it there. This doesn't work: those downvotes are actually ignored, as I understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:14 AM
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Uncheck "use subreddit style."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:13 AM
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Uncheck "use subreddit style."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:13 AM
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It's not about "entitlement," it's about reasonable expectations and needs, really. I can reasonably expect somebody to love me, and I need somebody who doesn't suck to love me, I guess. I'm not saying that everybody who doesn't give that to me is immoral... it just seems that it would be fair if I got it. It's not fair that she has to put up with so much shit. It's not fair that her dating life sucks that much. She deserves better, by virtue of being a person, and should be able to expect bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:11 AM
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he had input OP meant Louie wasn't writing alone, not that she is the one who helped him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/14 03:06 AM
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I hope the world is a meritocracy, but I don't think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 02:35 AM
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Well, there's a pile of studies saying otherwise, but... I hope you're right, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/14 12:53 AM
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You've caught on to a tricky problem in the golden rule, and I give you credit for that. I've discussed it at length before, but I don't have the energy to do so now -- sorry. But what I will do is explain why this problem does not apply to your situation. The women don't want you to terrorize them, or instill dread. They might be attracted to it, but that doesn't mean that they find it pleasant that you're doing this to them, or that they want you to do it to them, or anything like that. All yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/14 12:00 AM
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I don't mean you need to prove it's true, but you need to have a reasonable basis for your belief. I could believe that I'm irresistible to women, but if I've been resisted before, that's quite obviously a delusion. Most husbands love their wives, and if you think yours loves you too, I would say that's pretty likely -- unless you really have trouble understanding other peoples' emotions. So it's a reasonable thing to believe. And your belief in the likelihood that he loves you is likely close t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 10:58 PM
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I don't think you're right. I don't think people can see the underlying merit as easily as they see one's own belief in his merit, and I think what people are attracted to is the latter, and not the former. A quote from an article I've been quoting quite frequently in this thread: “They do a lot of things that make them look very confident in the eyes of others,” he added. “Whether they are good or not is kind of irrelevant.” Kind of irrelevant. Infuriatingly, a lack of competence doesn’t necess…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 01:10 PM
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Before I begin this reply, I'd like to say that I really appreciate your response, and think that we're really starting to make some headway in this discussion. Particularly near the end of my and your posts, and the bit about middle management, I think we're close to a real breakthrough. Thank you. but I can probably do something else that also has worth, and dignity. I know this wasn't quite the example we started with... but what if he basically can't? What if the best job he's smart enough t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 12:59 PM
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and your only defense has been to call everyone moron and tell that you were the only one reasonable I don't feel like that's what I've been doing. But apparently people don't like me anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 12:24 PM
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the fact you quote the article with no link or cite I never did that. Every place I quoted the article, I linked to it. Show me one place where I did otherwise. But you play it off as if you were ye author of the quotes. I really did not mean to do anything like that. I am looking back at my posts and having trouble seeing how you could have possibly gotten that idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 12:23 PM
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You're basically saying "all opinions that are inaccurate are inaccurate." So that's kind of pointless. That, and that if something is more positive than what's accurate then it's one of those inaccurate opinions, and defining confidence as more positive than what's accurate is hard to avoid. /r/changemyview is actually a good idea, thanks. But I figured "confidence" has something to do with the percieved "alpha/beta" divide, and with what TRP stands for. Is that not accurate?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 11:02 AM
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I came here to have a discussion. Is that not what I've been doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 11:00 AM
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I'm thinking about one quality with two (or more) names. The only difference between arrogance and confidence is the connotation.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 10:59 AM
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Edit: Guys there was just a misunderstanding here -- the OP is all my words, I linked to the article in every place I quoted it. What? I'm not sure what the problem is... Did I not link to the article? Oh, you're complaining that I didn't include it in the original post? It's not like it's the only thing I've ever read on the subject of confidence, it's just a recent post that expressed it well and stuck out to me. It's not the source for my thoughts in the OP, it's just an article I thought wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/14 10:58 AM
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Focus your argument around the idea that people often confuse the two and now were talking. I don't think people "confuse" the two, I think they genuinely mean the same thing to most, except that the word "confidence" has a positive connotation. It could be that you mean something by confidence that is distinct from arrogance, but I don't think the word's usage in the vernacular is meaningfully distinct. I'll quote the same article for you I'm quoting to others: "When people are confident, when …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 10:33 PM
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I think that's what you see with politicians. They are all so damn sure of themselves, because that's a quality that people like and vote for. Then, because they're so sure of themselves, and their sureness has been reinforced by votes, they lose the ability to consider that they might be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 10:24 PM
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I think they're accurate. I'm trying to be honest. Whether my honest feelings fit your definition of "confident" is irrelevant to me -- I'm not trying to be, and I wouldn't encourage anybody else to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 10:21 PM
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All opinions with a positive or negative bias from reality are inaccurate. The accurate opinion to have is the one no better or worse than the truth. To consistently bias oneself to something better than the truth is obviously inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 10:19 PM
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It's like somebody imagining themselves as a "tough guy," or what have you. They think about how other tough guys look, what they wear, what they do, how they talk, what they accomplish. So the person emulates those desired behaviors, and they are perceived as tough by others. That not only sounds unhealthy, it also sounds entirely unlike anything I've ever seen anybody call confidence. That sounds like you're suggesting that people try to emulate some stereotype instead of be themselves. Oh wow…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 10:17 PM
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I think life is less about right and wrong and more about probably right and probably wrong. Did Michael Jordan think this absolutely will go in for sure, or this will probably go in? Isn't the former what you were saying is confident? The latter is the truth -- he's not any more sure than he has a basis for being, so why would you even use the word "confident" to describe it? Which is he? Which should he be?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 10:11 PM
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And now you should look up the definition of "belief." What the fuck are you talking about, dude? Belief, again, doesn't mean that something is true. People believe in God, but the jury's still out. =/ Confidence isn't a negative. Conceit and egotism are. They're the same thing, otherwise. They're the exact same quality in every substantive way, there's just a positive connotation on one of them. What is it that you propose? That we should not be confident. That we should not encourage it, and s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 05:25 PM
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projection of yourself at your best, whatever you think that may be. It's more a question of perception-as-reality than dishonesty or delusion, IMHO. I'm... what? Projecting the best version of yourself that you think might exist sounds a lot like delusion to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 05:21 PM
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Confidence is your awareness of self-worth, skills, and abilities, or how they are perceived. That is absolutely not what the word means. Confidence is not a word we use to describe an idiot's acknowledgement that he is an idiot. The word "confidence" implies a positive estimation -- an overestimation. You need confidence because you have to have faith in your ability to complete tasks Shouldn't you only have faith in your ability to complete the tasks you can complete? If I was confident that I…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 05:20 PM
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I'm sorry, if confidence is unfounded, isn't it narcissistic? I don't see arrogance as relating to other people, but to oneself. If I say I have a five foot vertical leap, I'd say I'm confident and arrogant. I don't see arrogance as necessarily being in comparison to others. And... even if it was, I don't see that as the issue. it's confidence taken too far. Well, that's a completely different difference you are suggesting. But you beat it yourself: It might very well be an unfounded confidence.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 05:19 PM
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I'd say the difference between confidence and arrogance is whether one can actually deliver on what they promise. Well then people here should stop using the word confidence and replace it with the word arrogance, because people are attracted to the mindset, not to the ability to back it up. See http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/04/the-confidence-gap/359815/ Particularly: "When people are confident, when they think they are good at something, regardless of how good they actually a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 05:06 PM
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A working definition of confidence is the ability to deal with life's ups and downs without being bent out of shape. That sounds like stoicism to me. I don't know where you got the idea that that's what the word confidence means, but if you want to relate that idea, don't use the word confidence to do it -- you'll confuse people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 04:55 PM
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Is his confidence a lie? Perhaps it is. It is. If you're saying he was sure it would go in every time, and it didn't go in every time, it's a lie -- no perhaps about it. Is this not a relevant factor to you? If he always missed the last-second shot his confidence would be misplaced, and pretty soon his coaches and players would stop giving him the ball. And indeed even in the NBA there are players who are known for shooting too much i.e. being overconfident. Okay, so what about those players. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 04:52 PM
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I did. It talks about "belief in" oneself, but does not state whether that belief is accurate or inflated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 12:32 PM
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A low-IQ guy who knows he is not as smart as most people around him, acknowledges it and doesn't let it get him down or prevent him from achieving the most he can, definitely has a high level of confidence. He doesn't let it get him down or achieve the most he can, he just realizes it means he can achieve less, and doesn't believe in himself (in matters where intelligence is important) because believing in himself would be incorrect. You'd call that confidence? I don't think most people would. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 12:31 PM
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almost everyone agrees confidence is important I don't think most people even have a cogent definition of the word. I don't care what most people think about it, let alone what most people think about how "important" it is. I care about reason. Explain to me why it isn't awful. Not why it's important, why it isn't awful. There is a difference between confidence and arrogance. As far as I can tell, the difference is that when people like it, they call it confidence, and when they don't, they call…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 11:17 AM
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Holy crap, that's basically the DENNIS system.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 03:14 AM
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I... I don't know how you posted this in earnest. You said it yourself: the golden rule. You wouldn't want it done to you, so you shouldn't do it. Women don't want it done to them. It has nothing to do with "sexual value" or how attracted to you they are or what your strategy is or what game you're playing. It's fucking mean. It might make her attracted to you, but it's still a mean thing to do. Don't fucking do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/14 03:05 AM
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I'm not going to reply any further. Of course you won't. You are completely unwilling to have any conversation in which you might be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 04:32 PM
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Why the fuck would it be based on sexism? ... Because you people are sexists? Or because your sexism allows you be an asshole, so you reinforce it in your own mind. Some people just want to understand how the world works. And some people want to tell themselves lies that allow them to act however they want. If another group could explain those differences better, then that group will be followed over RP. A lot of groups are followed over TRP. TRP is a very small minority of people, and most peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 04:20 PM
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Option 1. Do nothing and hope for the best. Option 2. Employ a sexual stratergy. What I do is talk to them, like they're people, and try to get to know them. Does that count ts option one or two?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 04:15 PM
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Like most stuff in RP, which is related to a complex social subject, nothing is proven 100%. It is based on anecdotal evidence, observation, logic, and sometimes science with related areas. Yeah, my logic, anecdotal experience, and scientific knowledge tells me that most of the beliefs I see on TRP are relatively void of logic or scientific reason, and are mostly based in sexism. To unintelligent people, I'm sure anything can be perceived as anything. Who cares if it is wrong? RP doesn't say wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 04:10 PM
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There is a book about it, so it must refer to a real person and not some imaginary construct used to rationalize bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 04:02 PM
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That is one tenet of RP theory. Recognizing a difference is not sexism. Then what is it? Recognizing a difference might not be sexism, but... In this case, it happens to be sexism. Usually, if you can't give any reason for thinking something, it's based in prejudices, biases, and other bullshit. No, it doesn't do that at all. Well, that's the impression many people get from it, myself included. But no, you're right, it doesn't give off that or any other negative impression, it's all me (and ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 03:59 PM
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Can you not see that it isn't a comparison of women to dogs? It's comparing the relationship. I don't quite see the difference. You're saying that women are quite inherently different from men, to the point where they don't speak English or comprehend reason -- they're like dogs in that, while you can talk to them, and while you can communicate with them in some capacity, you can't really communicate with them the way you communicate with people. Because women aren't people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 03:54 PM
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I wouldn't really call that a No True Scotsman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 03:48 PM
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Nice Guys is a term used to describe a set of men who were told that if they were nice, women would find them attractive. Nobody ever told me this. I do not think it. I'm nice anyway, because that's the right way to be. I wish women would appreciate that quality in me more than they do. I'm not going to be a dick, even if that would help me get women, because being a dick is wrong. I have no idea what a "Nice Guy" is, other than something I've exclusively read about on the internet. I know assho…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 03:46 PM
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How is it stupid for me to say that I frequently see comparisons between women and dogs on TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 03:43 PM
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What makes you say that women rationalize more often, or "hamster" more often, other than sexism? You didn't say they're incapable of thought, but that sure is the impression TRP gives off.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 03:42 PM
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A trait that is found in women more than men. I'm not sexist, I just think women are worse than men and incapable of thought. I mean, that's just a fact, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 03:26 PM
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(2) TRP doesn't believe women are so stupid. (3) TRP says nothing about women not being human. (4) TRP doesn't say anything about attracting a woman by thinking 'lowly' of her. (5) TRP doesn't say you can't talk to women. No, it's just most of its members who say and upvote those things. But the sub as a whole, no, they have no opinion on the matter. Can you talk to children? Can you talk to dogs? Oh yeah, I do see the comparison between women and dogs all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 03:23 PM
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You clearly think TRPers are a bunch of misogynists who consider women the scum of the Earth. Well, most of them are. You can't argue the stereotype doesn't have a basis. But there are obviously exceptions to the rule, and you seem to be one of them. women have inherent sexual and reproductive value. Guys, this is what makes him RP -- he's focusing on value. He views relationships strategically, in terms of what they get him. That doesn't mean he doesn't make an emotional bond, of course, just t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 03:17 PM
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Thank you for reminding us all that The Red Pill isn't inherently about one night stands, but about selfishly getting whatever it is you want, and it just so happens that most people who think that way seem to want nothing but sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 03:08 PM
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it's not because she is a bitch It's not because she is a bitch, it's because you don't understand that women are inherently bitches, every last one, and you can't possibly reason with them or develop emotional bonds with them, the only way to deal with them is to manipulate them like tools, which is what you should be doing with all people anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 03:01 PM
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TRP doesn't encourage men to behave like psychopaths. It's just 90% of TRP. Also, 9% of TRP doesn't encourage it or condemn it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/14 02:37 PM
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Oh... I didn't read the article, I assumed "a complete lie" was part of the quote. Nevermind.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/14 07:50 PM
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... why the fuck would we care what the author looks like? Address the point, not the person making it -- even if his looks were a fair way to judge him, judging him to judge his point is a fallacious ad hominem argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/14 05:27 PM
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Negotiation? It's not like relationships are business deals. When a man joins a cult like TRP in t he middle of the relationship, the woman can try to convince him to leave. She might fail. She probably would not be interested in putting up with that insanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/14 05:24 PM
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... he did make a broad, sweeping generalization about you guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 04:21 PM
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He's a super-libertarian. There's no talking to him -- he's decided on all counts that the government is evil and that markets are God.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/14 04:18 PM
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I have female friends. I travel in social circles that include women. But they generally seem to view me as this polite, funny, asexual blob. Maybe that's all in my head, and maybe that ltr is just around the corner. But I don't think having sex with randoms for any length of time is going to get me any closer to what I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/14 09:41 PM
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Every time I push you define terms or explain something that seems logically circular Which I did, every time, and which you ignored, every time. Yeah, I'm fucking calling you names. I'll call you another: idiot. What's the problem? Have I failed to address your points?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/14 07:39 PM
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TRP shows men how to please themselves and get what they want out of life. It shows men how to manipulate women, mistreat them, disrespect them, and take what they want from people. men are refusing their slavery. I am not a slave, and haven't the foggiest idea why you'd think I am. This is interesting ground, previously covered by Esther Villar in the Manipulated Man. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manipulated_Man This is sexist bullshit. There are a few comedians who make jokes along these l…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/14 06:01 PM
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I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to tell me. I've studied every single one of the writer/philosophers you've referenced. I've read their work. Really? And you still refuse to consider that any one of them might have a point? And you still haven't defined what you mean by "moral" in this context or explained why you think anyone is obligated to do anything by society or otherwise. I have. By moral I mean ethical. You defined ethical (poorly). They're the same. Fuck nuance, they're the same…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/14 04:55 AM
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Ethics and morals are basically the same. Theoretically, there is a difference based on the public or private aspects, but it's been effectively lost through time. Personally, I consider "morals" religious dogma. You are the only one. That is nowhere near any definition of the word. I find your definition seems disingenuous. Do you really think that, or are you saying that because it makes it easier for you to get angry at people who use the word morals? Using that definition, anything your reli…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/14 04:25 AM
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Specific actions have moral value. The claim in TRP, as I read it, was that sexual strategy never had moral value because it was strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/14 02:59 PM
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Sexual strategy is without moral content because strategy is contingent upon undefined circumstance, and even hypothetical. The circumstances of an act change its moral value. By this logic, action is without moral content. =/ dropping atomic bombs on civilian targets is surely a greater moral atrocity than rape, yet the morality of the strategic action of america dropping bombs on Japan is disputed to this day; still quite a gray area. Really? Dropping bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki is given s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/14 12:04 PM
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I mean... It might lead men who have shitty lives right now to change. And, with any luck, they'll decide to put in the effort to change, and, as they do, realize what bullshit TRP is, but use that momentum to change in a positive way, instead. I suppose it also encourages you to work out and improve yourself sometimes, and that's good, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/14 04:41 PM
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They might ACT nice but it's all with the goal of tricking the woman into sleeping with them or having a relationship with them. I really feel like I've never met any man who ever acted like that. I know men who act nice, and hope that through acting nice they'll eventually find a woman who appreciates it. But it's never a trick.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/14 03:40 PM
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You mean, he's against the "Nice Guy" theory, not against nice guys. He likes nice guys. He thinks that the RP guy on the left is a stupid douche.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/14 03:39 PM
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It's perfectly good advice. Don't sexualize them, but recognize that they are people who, among other things, probably enjoy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/14 03:32 PM
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clever How about "dastardly?"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/14 02:34 PM
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I felt perpetually "hunted" if that's the right word. It is. Here's the problem: You feel hunted. So you get defensive. You're defensive, but men are attracted to you. So what do they do? They hunt you. Now, you feel hunted. So you get defensive. When you're defensive, men who want to get to you have to be on the offensive, so they hunt you. But when they hunt you, that makes you defensive. And then...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/14 02:31 PM
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So you think No More Mr Nice Guy was just written for the heck of it? There's a huge audience for it. I think you just answered your own question. It was written because the author thought that a lot of people would buy into his bullshit and that he'd make a lot of money. That doesn't make it right. Cults happen; cult leaders are not all right. Met a girl at a bar, got her number, escalated, went home with her. See, I just don't get this. I mean, obviously I know it happens, and get why it seems…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/14 02:28 PM
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supposed to
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/14 02:15 PM
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alephbet FTFY.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/14 02:14 PM
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I think it's a sort of self-fullfilling prophecy. Men are supposed to "take" sex from women in this way, and because men are trying so hard to have as much sex as possible with women, the women need to compensate by avoiding sex as much as possible with men... but for some men (effective assholes) they're going to be bad at compensating, and for other men (the one you can successfully call creeps) they're going to overcompensate... and then men compensate for that resistance by pursuing harder. …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/14 02:11 PM
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The number of studies that prove that women are overwhelmingly attracted to dark triad personality types has doubled since just I've been paying attention to them. You mean there are two? Oh man, what kind of asshole bloggers are conducting these scientific studies? Where is that kind of proof for the blue pill ideas expressed by the man on the right? crickets. Nobody feels the need to prove that women are people and should be treated with a modicum of respect. The burden is on you to say that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/14 02:06 PM
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Nonetheless, do you want to be in a LTR with a guy who's just kind of meh? Allow me to clarify, because you seem to be getting this wrong consistently: I am not into men. I am a straight male. but men have been to taught conceal and even be ashamed of their desires for too long. That's where Nice Guy syndrome comes from. I've never heard anything even vaguely like that. Now, there's a degree of modesty, tact, and propriety to be exercised -- but no, nobody ever said to any man that he should be …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/14 09:28 PM
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Which do you prefer: a man who goes after you for status, or because you're the first one to give him the time of day, or because he has an intense desire for you? But... that's not what does it for women, either, is it? Plenty of the typical reddit creepers are, in fact, deeply in love, and still, the women they love don't want them. Maybe it's a magnifying factor, but... I still can't help but suspect that the core is the standard: Be Attractive Don't be Unattractive
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/14 04:30 PM
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The male friend is first mocking the main character to his core. Whether or not he behaves in a way that makes his TRP attitude obvious, he's still a guy who "responds to rejection by belittling their judgment and self-awareness." That's half the joke -- hah, what an asshole -- and the other half of the joke is: wait, that asshole thinks that being an asshole will help him? Hah. The alt-text joke might be more what you're talking about -- that a man might not follow a woman the way he follows a …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/14 03:31 PM
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Wait... which man in this cartoon? Because the guy on the left is, indeed, saying that women really don't want nice guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/14 03:20 PM
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...and go after what you want. Unabashedly. That includes women. But women are people. Going after things, unabashedly... well, I'll think you're selfish and materialistic and you'll probably come off as a dick now and then, but whatever, it's the norm. Going after people in the same way you go after things sounds kind of pathetic, though... and evil, because it seems ignorant of the fact that they're people who get to decide whether or not they want you to get them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/14 03:14 PM
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Lol. Who are you asking for advice with women that says "be tall"? That's some god awful advice right there. You're either tall or you aren't, you can't just "be tall". I was being a little facetious. Obviously nobody tells me to grow a few inches. They just kind of mention that that's the type of thing that women like.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/14 03:11 PM
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There's no indication that the other person in this comic is a woman, and I assumed it was a male friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/14 03:06 PM
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I wouldn't go that far. I mean, I guess they made the decision that will most help them insulate themselves from the slightest bit of critical thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/14 02:20 AM
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Can we all agree that the advice we give to young men these days about how to attract women can be really, really shitty? Generally? Sure. I still don't know what the fuck it takes. People tell me to be funny... Women tell me I'm hilarious, and that doesn't seem to be helping me. They tell me to be tall -- that doesn't help. They tell me to be confident, but, when I request any clarification on what that means, they completely fail to differentiate that from being an asshole. And that's men and …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/14 11:44 PM
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I was given a warning, told to stop, and then banned minutes later. Sounds more to me like disagreement among the mods. Not that I would have stopped.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 11:52 PM
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I thought it fudged ups and downs but not totals. Although I guess that really wouldn't accomplish the same ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 11:51 PM
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I understand it was close to dickishness. That's probably about as dickish as I'll ever get, and it happened largely, as I said, because I'm trying to indicate moral disapproval, as this thread's context will sometimes require. I also kind of think of asshole as a term of art, to an extent, particularly related to the way in which I disapprove of the mindset. Thanks for understanding. I'll try to be good.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 12:19 PM
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However, the emotions I feel from that relationship are replaceable by another relationship (albeit without the exact same dynamic). I think the unique "dynamic" reflects a truly unique set of emotions. Other people can instill a similar set of emotions, and replace an emotional slot, but to replace the relationship completely... It sounds, when you say "replace," as though, if you had a friend, he died, and you met another at the funeral who turned out to be just as good a friend, it'd be as th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 05:18 AM
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"Assholes" is a personal attack. "Assholes" is a word. "You are an asshole" is a personal attack. I called no person, no individual, an asshole -- if you show me where I did, I'll change it. I called a community a community of assholes -- that is not a personal attack. That is a moral claim against the mindset of a community, made in a broad stroke.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 05:16 AM
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??? No, I didn't downvote you at all. I don't downvote in this sub. I am actually the one who suggested to the mods to add rule #6 "DO NOT DOWNVOTE". My posts were each 4-0 until your replies, at which point they were 4-1, but I'll take your word for it. I happen to think it's a silly rule -- rediquette has a perfectly fine standard for downvoting. But I guess it's a rule. I'll let the mods answer that for themselves, but I would say you've broken rules #1 and #5. Do you know what a personal att…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 05:07 AM
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Okay I'm going to put our disagreement below aside for now because I actually enjoy discussing this stuff and I think you've brought up some good points. I appreciate that. I suppose you could say that it's a good moral theory, but I'm not sure if it's a good, rational, way to achieve your goals in life if others aren't also acting on it. See, there's the rub--from my perspective. I think morality is about getting over what works if other people are still being jerks, or even in reality, and get…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 05:06 AM
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I fear we may be debating semantics here, then. I'm not sure. We may be. I just want to drive the one point home: people count for something other than the ways in which they are practically useful to you. Can you agree to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 05:02 AM
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Each person I am friends with brings some value to my life. But that value can also be brought by others. My point is that people and relationships are not defined by value. You can't buy a friend for dollars and cents. A friend is not a tool. A friend is not an object. A friend has value, but a friend is more than that -- a friend is a person, a friend is unique. If you were born in a different state, you'd have a different set of friends. Not better, not worse, but certainly not the same. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 04:52 AM
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I'll stand by my comment as it stands. This is a thread about morality. I am trying to argue that TRP reflects a moral deficiency. I am using words to reflect such a moral deficiency. Asshole was the appropriate word. This is why I got upvotes. I do not see any rule I have broken, despite /u/deeptrill's insistence that I have. The post stands. Censor me if you want, but I refuse to censor myself, particularly when I am being perfectly reasonable and acting within the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 04:50 AM
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You're presuming you know what should be. Nope. Just that there's something that should be. So I would ask you, to which do you subscribe, and how does that fit into how one "should" act? I lean toward deontological ethics, but there are times I feel like a utilitarian. The Categorical Imperative doesn't seem foolproof to me. As a rule of thumb, I feel the best rule is the Golden Rule. Treat others the way you would like to be treated. Of course, it's a little more complicated than that phrasing…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 04:43 AM
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Until they banned me minutes later.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 04:41 AM
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And I would like you to stop acting like you own this sub and like people do not have the right to speak freely, and negatively, about assholes. If they're assholes, I'll call them assholes. That doesn't make me a dick, and it's not a personal attack. What you're doing, though, that's a personal attack. It's dickery. And I'm sure you've downvoted me... and that makes you a hypocrite, and more of a dick. If you would like not to see what I have to say, you have the option of not reading it, or of…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 04:40 AM
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When you find someone else to fill the role that another person has left you replaced them. No. People are not roles. People are people. None ever replaces another. They might fill similar roles, or even the same, but they are not replacements. When you find a new best friend you replaced the old best friend, when you find a new gf/bf you replaced the ex gf/bf, when your boss fires you and hires someone else you were replaced. Nope. You've re-filled the role, but not replaced the person. So how …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 03:08 AM
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It's not about the way I wish we felt and behaved, it's about the way we should. We are intelligent creatures. We know better. Why don't we act better?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 03:00 AM
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They agree that everyone is replaceable. I don't see anything wrong about that concept. As I say in that thread... Things are replaceable. People are not replaceable. People are unique, and losing a friend can't just be undone by making a different friend. To call a person replaceable is dehumanizing. How are they disrespecting women? They didn't go into specifics, just kind of said they didn't feel like respecting women any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 02:12 AM
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I guess "amoral" means something like... morally acceptable, but not required or "good." Drinking coffee probably falls into this category: there's no rule against it, there's no rule demanding it, it doesn't earn you points, it doesn't earn you hate, you're allowed to do whatever you want and nobody cares from a moral perspective. You might say that's its own moral judgment -- and I wouldn't disagree -- but that's kind of what people mean by "amoral," I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 01:53 AM
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but you never gave any examples of their strategies that could be questionable or why they are questionable. Okay. I'm actually less concerned with the strategies themselves (which seem to be written in ancient babylonian) than I am with some of the theory behind the strategy. So, some examples. In this thread, a man asks whether men and women can be friends. The responses range from "yes, also be as selfish as you possibly can" to "yes, but why would you ever want to?," to "not really." The fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 01:50 AM
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It's not fair in theory, but in reality it is fair. We don't decide what is attractive any more than we decide what tastes good or feels nice. We just react. Morality really can't change this. We just justify around what we feel. ... how does that make it fair? I don't think you know what "fair" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 01:08 AM
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I assumed it wasn't off the table for discussion. It's not, but based on your last post, I get the feeling that, in your mind, as long as it doesn't hit the point of physical violence, there can be no wrong. Could I possibly convince you otherwise, or would I be wasting my time?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 01:07 AM
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They left our posts up, and just asked you to post here in PPD. They also banned me from their sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 12:55 AM
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Why? What makes you say this? Is it relevant? You seem to care only about use of physical force. If I could prove that TRP was dehumanizing, sexist... disrespectful in the worst ways, would that make a difference? Should I bother?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 12:54 AM
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This may or may not filter through TRP's collective conscious at some point. But now that this defense mechanism has been knocked down I got two net upvotes and a ban from TRP (immediately after a mod said he'd allow the thread) for that thread. I might have changed a mind or two, but the collective consciousness is rationalizing as hard as ever. Thanks, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/14 12:52 AM
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Or, he doesn't mind it, and doesn't need to hire a person for every single task in his own life. He probably doesn't enjoy tying his own shoes, but I betcha he usually does that, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/14 10:26 PM
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I got a 2. For what it's worth, I think it's a pretty stupid test, as it tries to measure a type of "intelligence" based on what you say is true about yourself. It's like a math test that gets its results by asking you how good you are at math.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/14 10:09 PM
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Here's a question: say he found one of the women he cared about, and really loved her, but she had a problem with it -- she wanted it to be monogamous. But he still loved her. What would he do then? Is he incapable of loving such a woman? Would he leave her, but in tears? Would he buckle under that pressure and cheat? Or would he suck it up and be monogamous for her? I imagine the second. I have a hard time understanding the motivation to "plate spin," though, so a part of me hopes that, at some…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/14 10:02 PM
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He could be looking for the best counterargument to the best version of plate spinning. That's kind of a good way to find truths in this world: build up both sides of an argument to their best forms before you pit them against one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/14 09:59 PM
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Enhance your personality. I'm fine with "enhancing your personality," but that doesn't mean "get better at deception" or "get better at being an asshole and putting women, inferior creatures as they are, in their places."
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 09:30 PM
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I commented on a few of those posts. Not only did I and several other subscribers disagree with the idea that women make awful friends, but an endorsed contributor made a post arguing the same point. I appreciate that, but you have to realize that the majority of the thread was on the other side.
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 08:52 PM
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There's a youtube video of a guy trying to stick a remote control up his ass because his mom deleted his wow account, isn't there? People flip the fuck out and do stupid shit and get caught on video. You've yet to convince me that it's the norm.
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 06:43 PM
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Personal anecdotes as well, for the most part, but I'm not the one trying to argue that 51% of people suck at life on the basis of their gender. I'm arguing that some women are reasonable, and some are crazy, and you're trying to argue that because three are crazy, all must be crazy. You're claiming there's a rule, I'm saying there isn't. The burden to condemn a gender in this way has got to be on you. That said, I did point out some women in the media in other comments.
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 05:56 PM
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They're called fans. Everybody in the media has them, even Rush Limbaugh.
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 05:06 PM
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However, if I'm not mistaken, he's not really known for arguing with his guests. Right. He has healthy and reasoned discussions with them. The interviews with movie stars are usually light, but those with politicians and officials usually hard-hitting and real -- but still very civil. Look at him interview high-up republicans, and you see how they fundamentally disagree but still keep a good level of respect and decorum. There is no difference, in this manner, between women and men. The closest …
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 04:40 PM
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Ooh, also -- Rachel Maddow seems to usually know what she's talking about.
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 02:49 PM
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being neither moral nor immoral; specifically : lying outside the sphere to which moral judgments apply <science as such is completely amoral — W. S. Thompson> That's what I meant by "without moral content." My definition of amoral, which I've seen elsewhere, is without caring about morality--and anybody who acts often enough without caring is bound to do something wrong. TRP discussion of sexual strategy is without moral content since it is mainly focused on the determinants of sexual attractio…
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 01:10 PM
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I use to think I had to shower a girl with gifts and be timid and not sexually aggressive, anytime a guy made a sexual move I use to think that was treating a women as a sex object. You seem to be framing a false dichotomy here. Shower her with gifts and ignore her sexually, or be aggressive toward her sexually. Why not be interactive? Receptive? She's a person too, you know. You don't have to treat her as a princess, but don't treat her as a dog either. my point is, what you once thought was wr…
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 01:04 PM
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In the vast majority of prisoner's dilemma variations, the dominant strategy is to betray the other player. Exceptions arise when both players are "superrational" which is not a word I would use to describe most of the women I've known in my life. Look at the iterated prisoner's dilemma, which, instead of being a one-off, more closely relates to life in that you actually play it again and again multiple times in a row. And it has been shown through practical trials that the best strategies take …
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 12:57 PM
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I'm not a fan of makeup either. Two wrongs don't make a right.
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 12:48 PM
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Is it your position that the sexual strategy employed by a majority of modern women is respectful or moral toward men? It is my opinion that the majority of people do not consider "sexual strategy" with any great deal of thought. Most people are just looking, and interacting, not strategizing, not treating people like a game. Most people are probably less respectful than they should be, though. That is, they usually don't think much about respect, and what it really means, either -- they just ki…
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 04:02 AM
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I have threads full of evidence suggests that a significant number of people on TRP seem to think of women as something inferior to people. Would this be something you'd be willing to look at? Or should I not bother, as you've already decided that TRP can do no wrong, or that you don't care if it can?
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 02:49 AM
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No one advocates rape on TRP I didn't say you did. But it is a "strategy." The label of strategy doesn't make it acceptable, does it? You cannot say that a strategy does not have moral content by calling it a strategy--that argument is baseless and invalid. There is right and wrong, but you can't argue with facts, a serial killer that kills little kids gets more attention from women than a nice guy. Alright. One of these is right, and the other wrong. If the thing that is right gets you fewer wo…
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 02:35 AM
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I appreciate your thought. I don't personally think that the concept of "sexual strategy" is necessarily immoral, but as it is discussed here shows a great deal of disrespect to the humanity of not only the woman but the man as well, as people here advise men that being friends with women is unhealthy, that feeling bad is childish, and that anything other than the "alpha" mindset is merely some form of weakness or failing of masculinity.
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 02:27 AM
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It sounds like you're saying that game is deceptive. And it sounds like you're saying that people hate it for reasons other than that it is deceptive.
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 01:01 AM
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You don't move, because you're selfish, and believe that other people should have to work harder than you to solve problems that affect you equally and of which you are equally capable of solving. Women get all huffy and puffy because you are being a selfish person.
/r/TheRedPill15/02/14 12:49 AM
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Asian men are percieved as more feminine I've never heard any such stereotype.
/r/TheRedPill14/02/14 10:36 PM
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You're talking about them as though they are things. If my car's engine is acting up, and they can't find a reasonable way to fix it, they'll replace it. If my ram gets corrupted, I'll replace it. If a person who I have a relationship with, or love, is acting oddly, I will generally try to figure out why, and work it out. I care about people. People are unique. People can't be replaced. Now, if it turns out that the problem is deep, large, and cannot be fixed--or, for whatever other reason, isn'…
/r/TheRedPill14/02/14 10:21 PM
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It's not me I'm trying to help.
/r/TheRedPill14/02/14 08:15 PM
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Women are people, not objects. You may like the way they look. This does not make them objects. They are people.
/r/TheRedPill14/02/14 07:10 PM
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People who treat other human beings with respect. People who acknowledge that it's not impossible for a woman to be a decent person, worth being friends with. That's most of us out there in the world. This subreddit is a deviation from that. This subreddit is full of assholes.
/r/TheRedPill01/02/14 02:11 AM
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I don't agree with this Okay, go to law school then tell me that. You misunderstood what I've said, so let me clarify. There are four levels of mens rea in criminal law: intent, knowledge, recklessness, and negligence. Intent is basically when you do it on purpose, and try specifically to do everything that is against the law. It's pretty obvious. This is like black-van-ski-mask rape, or roofie rape, or she's-constantly-saying-no-and-I-hear-her-and-am-consciously-ignoring-her rape. Knowledge, in…
/r/TheRedPill31/01/14 10:29 PM
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No, I'm not an asshole for calling assholes assholes. A decent person can call an asshole an asshole. There's nothing assholish about that. I do have better knowledge: women are people, treat them like it. Get to know them.
/r/TheRedPill31/01/14 10:02 PM
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I came here out of a morbid curiosity. I can't help but look here, on occasion, and try to figure out what it is you assholes actually think, and how you go on deluding yourselves into it. That /r/bestof post reminded me that you guys existed, unfortunately, and I came here again today in the same attempt.
/r/TheRedPill31/01/14 09:47 PM
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If you like this woman, why don't you stop listening to the crap you read on trp, and have an actual relationship with her? You know, treat her like a person that you like and would like to get to know and have sex with at the same time.
/r/TheRedPill31/01/14 09:31 PM
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Not to these assholes. The only perspectives that matter to them are the ones that confirm their lifestyle and justify their sleeping with anybody they want, whenever they want.
/r/TheRedPill31/01/14 09:29 PM
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Please do not fall for the bullshit that is this subreddit. Women are people. If you feel that a woman is nice, and want to be her friend, that's extremely healthy. I feel like you have the potential to not fall for this bullshit. Please, do yourself a favor and leave trp forever.
/r/TheRedPill31/01/14 09:25 PM
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That scene was a metaphor for rape. Ricky constantly lied to James. When you lie to trick a woman into sleeping with you, and she is trying to get away from you, and you won't let her, and you keep pushing and lying until she believes your bullshit and sleeps with you, even though she shouldn't and knows she shouldn't and doesn't want to and told you no a hundred times, that's called rape.
/r/TheRedPill31/01/14 09:20 PM
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Okay... So, the deal with James Linak and Ricky Roma... That's a metaphor for rape. Do you realize how Ricky is constantly lying to James Linak? And James is constantly trying to get out of the deal, which we know is a bad deal, and Ricky keeps lying to push him into throwing his money away? How could you possibly think that was morally acceptable behavior?
/r/TheRedPill31/01/14 09:15 PM
0

You... You say Levene is more dominant than Williamson? Did you watch the whole movie? Did you get to the end?
/r/TheRedPill31/01/14 09:08 PM
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You... you saw the movie 20 times, and you're still subscribed here? You still think all that? I'm going to pick one scene as an example of why you are deluded, but really, the whole movie stands for something you don't seem to understand. Do you remember the scene between Ricky and Jim, where Jim comes in to try and cancel the deal (which, is, as a matter of fact, a very bad deal), and Ricky tries to talk him out of it? How many lies did Ricky tell Jim? He tried to trick him at first, by preten…
/r/TheRedPill31/01/14 08:51 PM
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That's EXACTLY what a good "salesman" does. It's what a bad person does. It might make you a sale, but it also makes you an asshole. Are you arguing the asshole point? Or are you saying that trp is a guide to assholedom? To be clear: I believe that trp is a community of assholes who are continuously trying to deny that they're assholes. If you'll admit that trp is a guide to being an asshole, I guess you'll technically prove me wrong. But how do we know the "unsuspecting buyers" are of high mora…
/r/TheRedPill31/01/14 08:43 PM
3

... did you watch the movie? The movie is about "down on their luck" salesmen trying to sell bullshit vacation properties in Florida, but if you extrapolate what he's talking about, and replace the concept of "property" with "women", it's striking how the similarities parallel. The underlying theme is, for all intents and purposes, "stop being a pussy and take what is yours." So... you are a bullshit man (vacation property) that no woman should be willing to talk to (buy). Your job is to convinc…
/r/TheRedPill31/01/14 07:59 PM
2

And she thinks this girl couldn't escape? Come on. She's not 12. Right, because every woman 13 or older can escape from every man altogether. I'll remind you that the girl in that thread fought back, and OP held her down.
/r/TheRedPill31/01/14 07:25 PM
2

In legal point of fact, this is probably true. Nope. Legally, a conviction rape requires, at least, that the rapist has no reasonable justification to believe that there is consent. Rape is sex for which there is no consent, but a conviction of any crime requires not only the affirmative act that is criminal (in this case rape), but the mens rea -- intent, knowledge, recklessness, or negligence, depending on the crime.
/r/TheRedPill31/01/14 07:23 PM
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Are we ignoring the facts that: This "imaginary" was something that the OP in that thread recognized and actively chose to ignore? OP, the man, and not the feminist replying to him, is the one who said that the woman was not interested. That, after that "imaginary" no, OP physically grabbed the girl, and when the girl physically fought back, he just held on tighter? Because she eventually gave up trying to fight him, it wasn't rape? If there was a knife to her throat, and she wasn't fighting, wa…
/r/TheRedPill31/01/14 07:16 PM
2

I don't think I do that. I think I'm mostly attracted to women who are fun and kind, and... I can make them laugh, but then when the laughter settles there's always this sort of state that seems like... forced pleasant. Like, I'm done making them laugh, now they want to get the fuck away but they're going to be polite about it, because they're nice people. Iunno, I suppose that article might help...
/r/seduction19/01/14 06:31 PM
2

Okay, so you're talking about... this step, right? In a practical sense, that means putting your hand on the small of her back to lead her somewhere. Or giving her your coat to wear when it gets cold and teasing her about how huge it is. You know that he-picked-her-up-and-spun-her-around-and-when-he-put-her-down-they-got-a-serious-look-in-their-eyes-and-she-looked-like-she-wanted-to-be-kissed thing you always see in movies? Perfect example of the above. That’s also why having good manners (openi…
/r/seduction19/01/14 05:25 PM
2

I'm... interested, I just happen to be angry. I'm less angry at you than I am at most of the stuff in this sub. Not that I suspect I'd implement it, but... what is the "right time?"
/r/seduction19/01/14 04:57 PM
4

So, before I say what I have to say, I should say that I'm not subscribed to this sub, hate most of what I see on here, and only come back out of a certain morbid curiosity. I'm further not like most men here in that I'm looking for a relationship, and then sex, and not the other way around (or just the latter). In that regard, your advice not be for me, but my complaints about it will stand regardless. You describe actions a man can take to be perceived as masculine, and to make it clear that h…
/r/seduction19/01/14 03:27 PM
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I'm sorry, but this really sounds like you read some shitty self-help book that told you that your problem was that you weren't a douchebag. Like, this entire subreddit sounds like that. Yeah, sure, I respect women too much, I'll just start treating them like shit, and then I'll finally go from no action to way too much action, but none of which is meaningful.
/r/seduction06/10/13 02:29 PM
1

I can't for the life of me understand what it is you think you did to get her to do that, but men have behaved precisely that way toward women plenty of times and nothing happened. The only way your story makes sense is if you are very good-looking, and then, let's be clear, it's because of your looks.
/r/seduction06/10/13 03:25 AM
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I'm trying to understand this psychotic sub... So, you want tips in making people think that you're not a "playboy?" My main advice would be, don't be one. If you want people to think something about you, make that thing true. the first step in me conquering the women world. Is this how people here have taught you to think? Was this a slip of your fingers, or do you actually think women are a subject to be conquered?
/r/seduction06/10/13 03:22 AM
3

Is there any point there wherein you define "oneitis?"
/r/seduction16/05/12 12:40 AM
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Unattractive, no. But it's still not a very effective method of seduction. What he's asking is not, "will a girl run away from me if I sound too smart," but, "will my brain turn a girl on?"
/r/seduction16/05/12 12:36 AM
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