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Red Pill Theoryinnergametrumpsall/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:58 AM
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Metainnergametrumpsall/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 06:36 PM
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Red Pill Theoryinnergametrumpsall/r/TheRedPill26/10/15 08:46 PM
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innergametrumpsall/r/seduction30/03/11 06:46 PM
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innergametrumpsall/r/RedPillWomen07/11/15 10:50 PM
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Metainnergametrumpsall/r/TheRedPill29/10/15 02:23 AM
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Debateinnergametrumpsall/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 07:45 PM
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CMVinnergametrumpsall/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:33 PM
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CMVinnergametrumpsall/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 04:44 PM
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innergametrumpsall/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 02:15 PM
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innergametrumpsall/r/seduction22/08/11 11:53 AM
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Blue Pill Exampleinnergametrumpsall/r/TheRedPill10/10/15 03:17 PM
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I got banned for being "pro marriage." They wanted me to retroactively modify the post to remove any discussion of marriage because of a rule not yet rolled out. Post had great support and lots of good debate.
/r/MarriedRedPill19/12/15 09:13 PM
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Assuming you're going out with friends and the center of celebration. Which is why I said "unless you're a retard. "
/r/MarriedRedPill19/12/15 09:11 PM
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Oh I agree. Just saying I'm not armchairing.
/r/MarriedRedPill19/12/15 07:32 PM
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10 years and 2 kids and I've been in this game before it was "red pill." There was no such thing when I was doing it, much less "married red pill."
/r/MarriedRedPill19/12/15 06:37 PM
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That isn't Rambo. Rambo would be telling her to go fuck herself and dissapearing for a few days on radio silence. Rambo would be actually picking up the waitress in front of her. I think you've misunderstood my criticism. "Rambo" is introducing red pill into blue pill too quickly without sufficient frame. We agree that him telling her to sit out is pretty mild, but I would bet, and I'm sure you agree, in HIS relationship it's probably a large change. So instead a more prudent approach would be t…
/r/MarriedRedPill19/12/15 06:34 PM
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I get it, I just think there are connotations in this picture that don't very well represent the concepts at hand.
/r/MarriedRedPill19/12/15 03:33 PM
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Start exercising together.
/r/MarriedRedPill19/12/15 03:24 PM
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Rofl, this picture is horrible. I'll take BOSS here. There are lots of ways to demonstrate this, and this is much better demonstrate in the concept of "In control vs being controlling." Being a "Boss" is being controlling, in terms of this picture. Being a leader is being in control. It is entirely possible that you can be in control and be "a boss" because many things do need to be delegated in a relationship, so long as you are putting into it and setting boundaries. The relationship is trade …
/r/MarriedRedPill19/12/15 03:03 PM
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This is correct however you're missing one of the more valid points here. This is actually a form of active contempt, in a way, a nuclear shit test. She knows it's his day, but the fact that she isn't in line shows how out of control the relationship is. When the relationship is in proper order, your birthday is a day that she actively spends winning your affection because that's what people do when they are attracted to each other. On your birthday, SMV increases automatically, you're AMOG unle…
/r/MarriedRedPill19/12/15 02:54 PM
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I do however disagree that AK says you can't do this around her. AK writes: This is why it says if you've been behind or not working on it to not do it in front of her. Because then you're submitting to her frame. You're asking for validation and offering proof. "Hey, look at me, I can do the laundry. Am I a good boy?" That's not OI. You need OI in the way of "the laundry gets done because I want it to get done" not "the laundry gets done because it makes her happy" or because she told you to. T…
/r/MarriedRedPill19/12/15 02:32 PM
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Probably because that behavior is BAIT and the hyphenated name is a peak into the future. She knows that can't be easily unravelled but she can stop working out and blowing you the instant the papers are signed. The biggest red flags are the most subtle ones. Most women are not worthy of marriage. I don't understand how this sub is so red pill but the standards are so low for the women here.
/r/MarriedRedPill19/12/15 04:03 AM
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Logical fallacy. "She is different, but all the rest of them are shit." Consider it a litmus test for your marriage. If it's a problem and not easy resolved with "no" then the SMV disparity and your MMV is too low.
/r/MarriedRedPill19/12/15 04:02 AM
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I respectfully disagree. A woman who refuses the most basic of traditions is waving a HUGE red flag that basically says she charts a path for herself, and you're only part of it so long as you both are in that trajectory. It's basically a strong hypergamy indicator.
/r/MarriedRedPill19/12/15 04:00 AM
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In MMSLP this is referred to as "the L word." Referencing laundry. So long as she doesn't ask, and you're not subordinate, try to do as much as you can. AK points out not to do this stuff in front of her. We have breakdowns of some of the regimented chores in our house, and a cardinal sin is her getting involved or making any comment what so ever about my chores. Same goes with bringing it up with sex. The chores just get gone, and she has no say in the matter past that. Fuck that argument right…
/r/MarriedRedPill19/12/15 02:56 AM
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That's fine, but my opinion on the matter is a woman who wants to be child free has either drank too much koolaid or has some deep seated issues. So I don't really care too much to debate relationship dynamics with people who will never have children. Hardcore red pill guys are that way, and I think great, hey good for you. But really they are two different relationship orientations. I can't even all pre-children a relationship anymore. More like two people testing the waters if they're ready fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 09:58 PM
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We were dinks, I get it. It's a great phase. But it's an entirely different thing than a family, it's not even in the same stratosphere. Reading CF people talk about their lives is like someone talking about going to Prom. Like hey, I get it, it's fun, it's fine. But it's just a bridge to where things go a lot further.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 08:54 PM
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Take a good look at what kind of person childfree people are. You'll always be two people in a "relationship."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 08:20 PM
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Holy cow, you even dodged aging. This is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 05:36 AM
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The great thing about being a woman who doesn't want kids and makes her own money is that the wall does not exist. A level of denial previously unseen. You could claim that it prolongs it, but to say that it doesn't exist is hilarious. Only beta dudes think a woman who doesn't want kids is high value. That is an ENORMOUS red flag. But for red pill types, you'll be seen as an easy plate or STR.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/15 05:35 AM
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It's okay. It has some fundamentals which are good for overly controlling women, but it was written by a woman who had a guy with no balls. There's some good advice in there if you look for it, but it's not great, only good.
/r/askMRP15/12/15 07:24 PM
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Books work if you have OI and are willing to walk her through the anecdotes and compare to people you know. A lot of what she says is actually very red pill. Basically she makes the consoluation that men are allowed to do beta things for women in LTRs so long as they women not in control. Then they are acts of genuine affection and not supplication. Basically the book is that women get beta behavior as small rewards for allowing men to lead and demonstrate strong behavior. So it's give and take.…
/r/askMRP15/12/15 04:52 PM
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What I used to know as omega is now gamma I guess. But stay angry my friend.
/r/askTRP15/12/15 02:50 PM
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Again though, only if the career meets the ultimate sacrifice requirement. Otherwise such a thing is sexist for the sake of sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 07:09 PM
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I'm not sure, omega and sigma have been changing places. Didn't realize you were actually giving yourself strong introspective game.
/r/askTRP14/12/15 07:07 PM
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I'm just saying there are women who do it, I've been with one for a long time. But I told her not to go for any promotions. She's in a really nice administrative, high pay role on salary.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 06:21 PM
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No you're not, because you give a shit about what she thinks.
/r/askTRP14/12/15 06:20 PM
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It demonstrates poor social standing. You might as well tell her you don't wipe your ass. Even if she can't smell it, you're disgusting.
/r/askTRP14/12/15 06:08 PM
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Beta puke. Work on yourself, disregard her.
/r/askTRP14/12/15 06:03 PM
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Have been called a misogynist more times than I can count, as long as you can defend your behavior it's DHV. If you are an actual misogynist and angry, WAYYYY DLV and you'll be BTFO. Here's a great example. One of my friends is low value BB, he's a very close friend and we've known each other our entire lives. His sister punched me in the ear at a party and disrespected me for a joke I made about their mom that was good natured. His sister and I are cool, because she's got a real red pill husban…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 05:59 PM
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To put your career above your family. 60-80 hour weeks, on call all the time, expected to respond to emails at home etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 05:48 PM
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Have at times hit the whole list (except for the hyperlic "100% alpha" whatever that means), but it's a lot of work and few people stay that on point. Then again I don't think I was ever ripped or anything. But at a fundamental level was executing strongly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 05:44 PM
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There are careers that don't require that "ultimate sacrifice" that have high incomes in STEM.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 05:43 PM
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Patrice didn't really have a written down concrete theory, so he did a lot of spitballing it sounded like, though he had SOLID red pill values. He probably meant it in a "she's not at level 10" type of way. I doubt he had a 1-10 chart. Patrice also was I'd say redder than red because of the false rape accusation. So try to listen to what he says as nuggets of truth, but not to digest everything. He was in an open relationship, so he isn't "to the t" red pill. He had true, honest to god hatred of…
/r/askTRP14/12/15 05:29 PM
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Plate. Terminal baggage.
/r/askTRP14/12/15 05:12 PM
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Okay we're at the end of the debate, glad you stuck it out. That being said, I'd say it's never going to happen. You're basically advocating a rainy day fund for sluts\players.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 06:52 PM
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You missed the most crucial element of the discussion. Who pays for the kid? You say "public assistance." But what does that mean? Do you mean the tax payer? Or are you assuming there would be enough charitable donations to make sure every child can eat?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 06:34 PM
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NMMNG Any time a MC sides with the man, you're better off leaving.
/r/MarriedRedPill11/12/15 05:02 PM
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Okay, hypothetically tell me about a future where a girlfriend of yours gets pregnant and you don't want it. How the child is supported if her support alone is not sufficient, and who pays for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 01:05 AM
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Again, you're not addressing the needs of the child here, you're just debating the morality of the woman. Is it entitlement? Sure. But I think people feeling entitled to raise children of their own is pretty much one of the only entitlements people are allowed on this earth that's justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:48 PM
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Listen, what I'm saying is you're making a one sided argument which is "I don't want it, why should I pay for it?" But you're not addressing "She decides she wants it, who is going to pay for it?" The insurance company is a great example. Let's say you're racing with your friend and he wrecks his car. You guys get flight for lifed out of the car. You wake up and you have a huge hospital bill, and if you want to walk again, you need to give the hospital your insurance. So you do that. Months late…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:18 PM
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What difference does it make if you're the one footing the bill? I could sue someone, or I could hire an attorney to sue them -- either way they're in the same shit situation if they lose, and either way that shit situation is being caused by me. No, this is more like you filing an insurance claim for a hospital bill while riding with your buddy on a racetrack, then your insurance company suing your friend. There are existing assistance programs for people who've fallen on hard times, or the chi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 09:01 PM
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Do that with straight talk and then provide some kind of physical demonstration that you care. That's what I'm saying though. That's not stringing her along, that's just a straight pass. Stringing her along is technically delaying (but also failing) the test. I guess we can agree to disagree on failing, but it's absolutely not "passing" the test. Passing the test is giving her comfort without power. Failing the test is just refusing. We'd have to have a debate on the margin to understand what de…
/r/askTRP10/12/15 06:41 PM
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Yeah but you missed the last part. If she decides to file for support for the state, which will require she lists a father, what is her wrong in that? The child needs a place to live and to eat. It's really the government putting the screws on you, not her, ultimately. Don't get me wrong, plenty of women that want to fuck guys over, but if she just wants the child to live and wants to raise it and files for state support, it's the state going after you, not her. Basically what you're advocating …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 05:44 PM
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Stringing along is basically failing the comfort test though. You need to provide comfort without sacrificing power, and support without validation. There's nothing wrong with holding her, making her feel loved and telling her to shut the fuck up and toning the sex down. You're going to get an "I think" or "I love you" shortly thereafter. And then you really only have two options, a LTR, dump or just lie to her. If she's not LTR material, this is a chance for you to communicate why you're on the…
/r/askTRP10/12/15 05:41 PM
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M/F 60 40 checking the captain M/F 50 50 shit testing M/F 80 20 comfort test He's 80\20. Comfort test.
/r/askTRP10/12/15 05:38 PM
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How is this not a comfort test though? It's an absolute admission of power and her asking for a slice of it. She's not testing him, she's acknowledging asymmetric power and looking for comfort. Shit tests aren't acknowledgement of power, they are tests of power. A shit test would have been "I guess you'll leave when I stop putting out, oh well." That would be her disregarding his power, actual shit test. In this case she's uncomfortable with the power dynamics and seeking comfort. I think this i…
/r/askTRP10/12/15 03:11 PM
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A comfort test is any test where the woman is displaying the fact that she doesn't have power in the relationship and is looking for COMFORT. In this case. "Please tell me you won't leave me if I don't put out. Tell me you will stay with me forever." Close to a shit test, but you need to also comfort her physically and take physical control while you disarm. This isn't a shit test because she isn't "testing" him, she's asking for power, so she's actually respecting his power by mentioning this, …
/r/askTRP10/12/15 03:07 PM
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You're not matching someone's demeanor. You have to use what's called "the velvet hammer." Imagine this, you're relaxing at home after a hard day at work. And a girl walks in to your house and starts immediately screaming "parttyyyy time boyyyy!" and dancing on your kitchen table. Entertaining or annoying? Now imagine she comes in, sits on your table, pours you both a beer and says "how about we take this up a notch and go out drinking tonight?" The difference between the two on the surface seem…
/r/askTRP10/12/15 01:56 PM
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That's a comfort test so I'm not sure what you're posting about? Either you're trying to overcome the comfort test or just making a post about not crumbling about someone you don't want to be with? Either way, shitpost. Nothing to learn here.
/r/askTRP10/12/15 01:51 PM
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You're overinvesting in a basket case. Just put some distance and ice on everything and stop thinking about her, she's not thinking about you.
/r/askTRP10/12/15 01:46 PM
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This is a lock and stock comfort test. Just treat it like a comfort test.
/r/askTRP10/12/15 01:44 PM
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This is more or less proof of the fact that women become "westernized" or radicalized in a way to the established system norms. A litmus test for the degree of hypergamy present in the woman. For the ever unobtainable unicorn, these things don't matter. For good girl gina, they're important to the point of survival and maybe to the effect that things impact the ability to go out and get some fresh air in the relationship. For a hypergamous branch swinger, this value is MUCH more sensitive. To th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 01:40 PM
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If you want an LTR it's time to establish pair bonding, like a child touching your skin.
/r/askTRP10/12/15 01:37 PM
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Yeah but what if they're pro life? Your entire assumption is this hypothetical woman MUST be pro-choice for it to work. If she simply wants the child to live, and no financial system exists to give her benefits without having you be part of that arrangement, what moral wrong is she committing? Just as you wouldn't want her to be able to terminate a child without your permission, she has the right to decide to keep it. How do you rectify that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 04:09 AM
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She's using the term "alpha" when she means "masculine." She talks about her income as if it's supposed to be intimidating to someone who identifies as an alpha male. If you're scared of income, you're beta, no doubt about it. That being said, if she thinks income makes a person, you're in trouble. But that's a trash tier woman. I don't know the split on women who make money and don't think it defines them vs women who do, I'd be interested to hear that anecdotally.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/15 04:00 AM
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It was a comfort test.
/r/askMRP09/12/15 09:21 PM
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You should have worked on improving yourself and your marriage discretely, instead you lost control and barfed all over her and then asked for a self imposed time out. You basically did her job for her. Now you're talking about "going Rambo" which is a reference to the fact that you're trying to fix years of damage in a month. But you don't have any ammo for this battle, and you've already surrendered in the war. You've admitted defeat and are now trying to rage back into town. I would consider …
/r/askMRP09/12/15 07:38 PM
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You're new
/r/askMRP08/12/15 07:13 PM
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I will also add that women will wear engagement rings to maintain appearances. One of the gotos for when the Mrs thinks she's got bargaining power is asking her to hand over her ring before she leaves for work. "Oh, I thought you were mad at me? Get dressed up when you come home from work." OP is celebrating her not throwing it in his face when she's merely just keeping it on so she doesn't have to relive her shitty life at work with people asking her what's going on.
/r/askMRP08/12/15 07:10 PM
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You should have operated incognito. You're trying to go Rambo without any ammo. You should prepare for divorce or at the very least, a very very strained marriage while you fix all the damage you've done. You can't do a "take away" when you're not in demand. That's like trying to run dread on a dude.
/r/askMRP08/12/15 05:02 PM
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There is a degree of truth to both sides here. I've written before that hypergamy needs to have a positive ROI for the woman in order to engage in it with frequency. Most women are not stupid, so some of them figure out that there is a difference between attention a man shows and interest in a relationship. So imagine you're SMV4 right? What are your branch swinging options? Not much. You got this sappy guy that doesn't really make you all that wild but he treats you like a goddess, he's SMV3. S…
/r/askTRP08/12/15 02:27 PM
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If tinyeye didn't exist I'd link you to a picture of him riding a wheelie on his motorcycle. Literally WEEEEEEEEE. Basically he's the most badass highschooler of the early 2000s... today.
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/15 09:56 PM
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Oh no no no, don't get me wrong. I'm a HUUUUUUGE proponent of "be your own alpha" pr whatever they call it these days. I am that program all day every day, so was this guy. But you need status to play that game, you can't frame it away is what I'm saying. If you were trainingthebrain SMV3 with no solid career prospects with SMV7 unicorn, would you give her kids? Or would you go into a 5 year monk mode to hope to grab an SMV6? This guy is so off the mark he doesn't even realize he would need monk…
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/15 09:49 PM
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Who are you guys to tell him to give up his dreams? That's the message that's been pushed for far too long. Let men dream, let them walk to the beat of their own drum. Just don't let it affect you. As for his lady, if she's such a catch he's been doing something right. Yes, he was for 10+ years. Except he ignored one of the most crucial elements of RP, though he was tactically strong. He never grew his career. It was always an afterthought to the immediate gratification of his hobbies. But we're…
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/15 09:35 PM
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We know two other red pill couples. One is straight tradcon, the other was straight red pill but the guy is blowing it so hard right now it's not even funny. He's been stuck in the "manchild" stage for too long and she's in her early 30s right now and doing well in nursing. Great set of tits. Great personality. God tier woman he snagged in highschool, the only cock she's ever had. He's making like $20K a year and refuses to give her children. She is RPW all the way. She's given him every inch an…
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/15 07:49 PM
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I think we would get along well IRL. So long as you're not as funny as I am, can't be having that ;) Any protips on finding RP couples? The bloopers we know have been having little temper tantrums. They alternate between trying to have failed interventions on me and trying to "save" her, then they just talk shit for a while, come back and repeat. I'm sure this is something you experience as well, so long as you're overt.
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/15 07:23 PM
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For us I think it comes down to a more root issue of what makes you better than her? We both know that you have to be better than her at some core fundamentals. For her, I am fearless socially and funny. If she had the skills to be a high powered manager, she'd have the social skills to match. But she doesn't. If she did, we'd be back to small scale warfare everyday. Those deficiencies are her core attraction to me, I know that. I also disincentivize male behavior from her. She just got a bump i…
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/15 07:17 PM
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She can be the chick in Charge at work This would probably be problematic. But luckily it doesn't fit her. Her earnings are really the result of her brain, not masculine energy. If she was king boss woman, that would probably be unmanageable. In that case she'd probably be wall'd or applying AF\BB. She's a pharmacist so she gets paid for her brain. She's flexed those muscles a couple times, it's rainman level terrifying. So sometimes I get paranoid she's playing me covertly, but I've been gaming…
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/15 07:06 PM
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if she is thinking of my cock, to let me know. This is something really powerful I need to bring up, but could also be disaster if I never hear anything about it after the discussion lol! This is great stuff man. I'll have this discussion today. We've been going through the surrendered wife, it's helped a lot. I think the book is good, but not great. It's written by someone who had boundry management issues, I get it. She couldn't tell the difference between throwing it all away. So far, it's wo…
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/15 06:37 PM
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He was a world class comedian though, so he had that going for him. He knew that if he was just a run of the mill nigger (as he would have said it) that he'd be rooting in the trash. He even knew about the SMV hit that being black was in America. He also talked about being strong mentally but still taking trips to Brazil. That shit really only changed once he become a standup hit and snagged Von.
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/15 06:22 PM
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Since we seem to be on the same level, one thing I'm working on overcoming right now is that she doesn't initiate. And when she does it's really really shy, which requires me to lead again. If I get her to actually initiate and really go for it she will straight up say that she doesn't like it and she feels like she's being a man. She's not wrong. That being said, it took me forever to come up with a way to balance this problem. I don't like how everything with RP is so black and white, like oh …
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/15 06:17 PM
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I'd add to this that she craves a man who allows her to just cruise through life basking in her feminine energy. I agree. What I've put that into MRP terms to is if a woman will not submit to you, then you're not worth having. And I said the same to her, I made a post about it. I was confident in my SMV, but I seemed to be coming up with an ego issue with her (I was in control, but it was like shitfest mania and being overt was becoming problematic). I had to turn this into OI and was willing to…
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/15 06:01 PM
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Patrice O'Neal referred to this has "ho'ing up" and "ho'ing down." Patrice's position is he liked to "ho down" a woman. Meaning getting a woman that was high value and already sexually bold and keeping her as his whore. A lot of work and requires an immense SMV disparity. If you really embrace "she's not yours, it's just your turn" then that is the model. Most people in here are "ho'ing up." I've been ho'ing up my entire dating life. Your pleasure is non-negotiable and it's an early dating seed.…
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/15 05:42 PM
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
/r/askTRP06/12/15 08:31 PM
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So prettiest women are going to biggest sluts then? Hypergamy requires the women to be attractive and the more attractive they are the higher the returns are. You realise the girl is the one making the choice to be a virgin? Yes, this is an outstanding character trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 05:31 PM
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Unicorn hunting 701 https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3rsvks/my_deleted_thread_inspiration_for_the_retroactive/
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/15 05:30 PM
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When the puppets are separate, mention how you think it's admirable they can let someone else control them for their own good and that if you were out drinking and having a good time you'd be glad someone was there to make sure you're not naughty. If she agrees continue working if you'd like, if she starts arguing against that you've got her. If she says she can be your mother hen, tell her that she has to help you find girls to talk to, then when she actually tries to be a mother hen and cock b…
/r/askTRP06/12/15 04:47 PM
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Probably. Most of the "rapes" you read posted on r/relationships end with an admission of guilt.
/r/askTRP05/12/15 04:26 AM
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What your question implies : EVERY TIME, WITHOUT FAULT and to the DEGREE which you were wrong. Being able to own failure is CRITICAL to proper frame. Being able to within 1 second of realizing you went the wrong way in a conversation or debate and say "you know what, that idea was fucking retarded" and to move right on is a big deal. When you make a huge mistake, take them aside and say "I fucked up" apologize, say how you'll make it right then move on like NOTHING HAPPENED after that. OWN your …
/r/askTRP05/12/15 12:14 AM
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Also should not be a pickup spot : Gym. Again, can be done, but socially frowned upon and more likely to end with you getting labelled a creep than getting meaningful ROI. But a good grooming ground for roots. If you spot people in the same class but different hours. It's an easy in, tell them what you can bring to the table and where you're deficient. Then run your game and look for IOI.
/r/askTRP05/12/15 12:11 AM
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I would go cold\take away. Tell her you appreciated great times, but since she's been with her boyfriend that she's gotten a bit big in the head and that if she'd like to respect you leading and would like to teach you in the future you're all ears. It's just a matter of respect basically and she's being disrespectful. If you haven't earned her respect there's nothing you can do. If you have and her ego isn't irrationally large, she'll probably apologize profusely. Just be level headed and cool …
/r/askTRP05/12/15 12:07 AM
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She wasn't yours, it was just your turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:09 PM
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Yes, it would if the intent was to manipulate. But someone just being insecure is not abuse FFS. Jesus people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 02:10 PM
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You are talking about MGTOW, say this place makes you depressed (which could only do so if you thought there was a shred of truth) but then ultimately reject it all? That makes no sense what so ever. She left you because you are autistic and a shell of a man, if you think there's a disney story in your future, by all means reject it all. She wasn't a unicorn. You're going through mental gymnastics to make your life conform to some theory and rearranging things to make them work for you. I offere…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 03:58 AM
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Well alright then Captain Concern Troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 03:38 AM
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You aren't there yet. You're VERY BETA
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 02:17 AM
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You're not supposed to distrust them universally. Just understand they act differently than they speak, in terms of sexual strategy. Only unicorns deserve a degree of trust, and lose it easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:54 AM
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Well then, live with the wool over your eyes. It doesn't matter how you acted, superman would have stolen her. You're low value. He wasn't, comparatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:41 AM
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Are you saying there is something besides your false accusations? Again, this must be concern trolling. Do you want to be on team blue or what? Being insecure isn't abuse. What else did you do besides accuse her of cheating (which isn't abuse if you believed it).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:28 AM
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Not abuse, it was as you said a fear you had, not an attempt to manipulate her. For fuck sake man, being insecure isn't abuse. Is this concern trolling?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:23 AM
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Get stacked then brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:19 AM
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To me the indicator is calling this behavior abusive. Being insecure isn't abuse, but its a convenient feminist narrative. You see, you aren't allowed to question hypergamous behavior, because it's "abuse." So what are your options? Word harder Get a better body Obtain status symbols etc. A unicorn would still be repulsed by your behavior, but would never call that "abuse." That's just adopting systemic dialog.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:19 AM
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I don't understand how dating in secret was relevant at all. I was saying that you weren't paranoid. Her behavior and statements demonstrate she was just your run of the mill westernized woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:11 AM
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You absolutely do introduce them if your bf is beta enough. It's risky, but it happens all the time. The reason is they want to say "hey, look there's no problem" so they can build the bridge while you're there. But the problem with this is mate guarding is "beta" behavior. Now this is where I talk about systemic worship. A unicorn is OKAY with mate guarding, because they aren't adopting systemic values. Your g\f would have said you're being controlling while she was building that bridge, becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 12:53 AM
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And it should. The idea that she's not yours, it's just your turn IS depressing. But you have a HUUUUUUUUGE leg up on everyone out there like you that isn't so honest with themselves. What kind of workouts can you do with your heart? Can you still lift weights? Just no cardio?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 12:10 AM
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http://www.conspirazzi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/alphaomega.jpg You could work your way up to Gamma if you play your cards right. You're clearly a smart guy, I've seen your pictures that you posted, you're NOT ugly. The biggest problem you've got is that you're on the spectrum and have CRIPPLING insecurity which is OBVIOUS through the internet, and must be unbearable in real life. Get a good job and work out. You can EASILY work your way up to SMV5 SMV6.5 with a good job. I don't think with…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 12:09 AM
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I made a thread about this too, check my submit. Definitely not what you described.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 10:49 PM
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Unbelievable. Not abuse, even if they want to claim it so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 09:23 PM
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That is not abuse by any definition of the word. So this was a girl that falls under my definition of "systemic worship." Since she's echoing gynocentric shame at you. She is shaming you for your insecurity and to hamster away guilt. That being said, it was still at least 50% your fault. I mean you still need to make this woman enjoy being around you, and it sounds like you were or are a pretty miserable person. Until I see a picture of "someone like you" I can't comment on whether you should tw…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 08:28 PM
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Exactly, not a unicorn. Basically your run of the mill SMV5-6 woman. Not a lot of options, but options. You probably overassessed him as warm alpha as well. He's probably still beta but just not as socially inept. Your threads are pretty bad. I see where you're coming from. You're going to have to work on your self esteem and again, I need a picture similar to you. You have very strong introspective capability here, that's a huge one up. I just don't want you to go down a path that's going to ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 08:26 PM
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What is this claimed abuse she's talking about? The only thing I can see in your posts is a guy with crippling anxiety trying to negotiate the relationship down.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 08:19 PM
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Conforms to my model, sounds SMV5-SMV6, not a unicorn. Switching cost was negated by a positive ROI. Can you link me to a picture of someone that looks like you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:37 PM
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She wasn't a unicorn, she was low value. So you were conforming to the model I offered you. A unicorn is SMV6-7 with the traits I list in my post I linked. It's a lot broader than just "probably not hypergamous." It includes willful submission, paternal orientation, low systemic worship etc. It's a long list. You're also demonstrating that there is value in these women, despite being low value. That you are deriving a lot of happiness from them and it's worth investing in. TRUST ME, you will not…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:26 PM
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No this is great, I think you're 100% correct in your introspection here, you have a great challenge ahead of you and also that many MGTOW are just downtrotten omegas. When you say ASD, do you mean you're on the spectrum or a heart defect?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:20 PM
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Normal beta = Bad job, poor body, low confidence High beta = Good job, average body, average confidence Warm Alpha = Average or good job, good body, good confidence, but also willing to engage in "blue" behavior with a woman to maintain a LTR (flowers, dates, etc). But will also not tolerate misbehavior, would leave her for another woman if she did not submit. low alpha is basically someone using RP tactics but having low SMV. Your local musician, biker etc. If not Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:12 PM
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Lift lift lift man. A guy in great shape who can manage his frame can be low\warm alpha. College? Did you have a lot of trouble with school? I mean this is well reasoned stuff you're typing, I don't think you're an idiot. Why not go to be a programmer? What are you aptitudes, what do you like to do? Can you link me to a guy in similar attractiveness as you? You have great reasoning here but I think you have a blindspot, and I don't want you to give up on life over this. Let me fight for you. I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:08 PM
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Well what they say is "red pillers date the kind of women that it works on" which is true to a degree. They again don't like to be exposed as rational actors. It's not about RP vs BP, it's different strategies for different levels of attractiveness. If you're a woman who would be considered a "slump buster" you have two options, looking for a high beta or just being a cum dumpster. My visibility with these women is they end up with normal betas and may branch swing to a high beta. But the guy re…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 07:04 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3rsvks/my_deleted_thread_inspiration_for_the_retroactive/ Read this, we have overlap. Hypergamy is not universal IMO. It is absolutely SMV7+, 95% FROM SMV7-SMV5 and really not that common SMV5 to below. You know all those posts from women saying "they're not like that" proudly dating betas? They do exist. They are risk averse females that are doing a calculation on their ROI. There is a high SWITCHING COST for women SMV5 and below. If they can f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 06:58 PM
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Lots and lots of risk averseness. Very very beta. Read this, it's risk hedging up your alley. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3rsvks/my_deleted_thread_inspiration_for_the_retroactive/ Basically work on yourself, start spinning plates but BE UP FRONT. Rape accusations come from people who aren't up front. Plenty of women have fallen into the trap that being into casual sex makes them "liberated" women. Just don't LTR or wife them. Keep your eye out for a unicorn. They're out th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 06:46 PM
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Yeah, that's not how marital property works.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 04:11 PM
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You clearly don't understand how divorce works.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 03:40 PM
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For plating only
/r/askTRP30/11/15 03:48 PM
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Trash tier
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 11:59 PM
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Gross
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 01:51 PM
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As stated, covertly ;) equality does not exist in power dynamics. Some people think of it as whoever cares less.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 01:34 AM
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It's possible he's covertly in control, there's always someone in control, if even so subtly. It's just much more common the woman is in control in a blue relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 01:06 AM
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Logically constructed in my trp submission on equal couples. You're in control, since you control sex and require physical surrender.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/15 12:38 AM
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Blue, you are covertly in control by way of supplication.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 11:48 PM
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Most of the couples I know are balanced, equal, and happy. Most of the "beta" guys I know have totally satisfying dating lives. Most of my married friends and active sex lives. All the men I know currently paying child support believe their arrangement is fair. And while all of the divorced couples in my life has the wife filing, all the husbands with the exception of one were totally on board with divorce. Yes, this is to be expected. Since these "equal" relationships are in fact run by the wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 08:52 PM
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attractive Well is he attractive or not? Chad is simply an attractive man. "A chad" For example, I wouldn't be with him if not for his sense of humor and ability to make me laugh. Of course, no one is saying you simply can't control yourself and need to fuck him. Simply that Chad has a natural advantage in the game of life. You have to understand most people who get into red pill theory aren't doing so because they hate women innately, it's because they simply don't get it because they haven't b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 08:40 PM
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Not your girlfriend : Agree on grinding on him (AA), or even applauding him (AM). Your girlfriend : Watch it play out with amusement (AM) If she takes the dance, demoted to plate. If not, good girl.
/r/askTRP25/11/15 03:31 PM
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Here's what you have to understand. "Red pill" is just a theoretical framework for interaction between men and women. Just because you are dating Chad, doesn't mean that he's whatever you think is "red pill." Red pill just explains WHY he is able to have beta tendencies. Which is because he naturally has abundance mentality and exudes dread. You correctly posited that this describes you as well, in fact this describes most women. That is why "Chad" is desirable, he has the same sort of attractio…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:25 PM
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You sort of missed the point. He's naturally red pill, as long as he doesn't mess it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:36 AM
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He is exuding dread, same thing you do. That's the point ;) but beta Chad is susceptible to losing frame, thereby losing abundance mentality, driving women away and then losing natural dread.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:18 AM
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Abundance mentality and dread are great, but not the whole game.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:00 AM
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This is Chad. He is allowed to be beta because of his exceptional physique. But will be replaced by his alpha equivalent. He will also naturally engage in alpha behavior because of abundance mentality. natural am and dread.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 01:42 AM
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Yeah, the plus side though is you know that woman usa only plate worthy. If anything the non-competitors are the ones to probe further for ltr.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 01:20 AM
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That is absurd, having a child is the epitome of alpha. A woman accepting your seed. Absolutely absurd. Anything else is just masturbation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 08:18 PM
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Warm alpha. High beta is still beta. High beta is what feminists call their dream guy. He still supplicates and does all the beta things beta guys do, but he has status and money, so they can sell him as a high value mate, even though he is still just BB. That's why high income beta guys are still beta bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 05:09 PM
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Warm alpha. High beta is still beta, that is binary.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 05:07 PM
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The subtle clue here is the talk about "big tits & huge ass" while being relegated to the upstairs. Basically, she was a slump buster fatty that fucked chad that he was ashamed to show anyone else. She feels bad because she knows it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 05:06 PM
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Most people that claim to be "red pill" are in fact very insecure. That's because most people who claim to be red pill are still in the idealization stage, and haven't really done any self improvement or large scale usage of the applicable concepts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 02:28 PM
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Required reading about unicorn hunting. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/3rsvks/my_deleted_thread_inspiration_for_the_retroactive/ Comments before it was deleted https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3rl47b/vetting_modern_relationships_for_long_term/
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 02:27 PM
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Whatever helps you sleep.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 04:19 AM
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No practical solution if you want a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 02:43 AM
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That's because this doesn't work on low smv women who aren't interested in high value men. If your primary suitor pool is low quality, your primary interest is safety because hypergamy offers a low roi with high risk. Emotional validation is more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 02:41 AM
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Women exude dread doing absolutely nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 02:35 AM
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Yes. That is hard dread. Soft dread is implication and not hiding it, a woman's a natural state. Women also exude a form of hard dread being hit on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 02:32 AM
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Sorry misread your reply. Actual dread is not hiding or pointing out you have options. Fake dread is giving the illusion of options (when you have none) or amplifying them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 12:26 AM
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Agree, awesome point about street cred.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 12:05 AM
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Then not sure how you think that is abusive. This is a woman's natural state, men's interest always at bay. Visible to all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 12:00 AM
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No, by definition. Abuse is insecurity manifested.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 11:58 PM
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So because Brad Pitt(tm) has options he's a psychopath?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 08:43 PM
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Are you talking about actual dread or fake dread? Like I said fake dread is BETA. Actual dread is not. It is simply doing what women naturally exude.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 08:42 PM
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That is not red pill. You would dump effort into all of her desires that don't require you supplicate yourself to her. Things you both enjoy would be paramount. But there are other things too. For instance, if she wants to go to school to be a doctor, you should encourage that. It doesn't require you supplicate, because it is a goal of hers. But you should be striving to achieve to a level that she is achieving. Lazy red pill guys that are beta at heart take this to mean don't let her go to scho…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 08:37 PM
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Again, those guys are wannabe's. They are trying to artificially inflate their SMV. While that is using "red pill theory" it is not "red pill." Since they are trying to artificially inflate their SMV and deflate hers. Red pill is actually having options and being willing to leave her. Which again, abusive relationships are inherently beta\blue pill. Those men are beta, and behaving in a manner consistent with red pill, but being blue. Again, proving the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 08:25 PM
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Now we can debate the margin. What is abusive about demonstrating that someone has options or that a relationship is finite? Women get hit on as a matter of life. They exude dread. You're just evening the playing field.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 08:10 PM
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can...be......... (not)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 08:03 PM
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I don't need a guide, I'm high SMV. Women get to be with me, not the other way around. If a woman tried grabbing power by claiming she's "aged into beauty" I would also tell her that she's not as attractive as she used to be. Women are constantly trying through a variety of methods to artificially inflate their SMV. Big is beautiful \ Look at mah curves I'm a strong independant .... etc This makes sense to team blue because they are prone to systemic worship. They chase these women because they …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:49 PM
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It's demonstrably true. Attraction is correlated to youth. http://i.imgur.com/Ijgzwsk.png You are pointing out reality. As someone with a lot of data research background, you can see they need more inputs to smooth the results but there is a clear driver here, the point stands and would only more or solid with bigger data pools.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:34 PM
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Exactly, but that doesn't mean that force can't be power. A leading politician in our city was beaten with a tire iron when he tried to yield "power" in a situation where force was power (outside of an institutional setting, aka THE STREET). Conversely, my restraint in using the force I have as a man, is power. To use it, is a demonstration as you say of a lack of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:31 PM
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It may be funny but really it's an indicator of how well women have manipulated most men into supplicating. A "healthy" relationship is defined by a woman covertly in control (by claiming equality, but controlling the resource the man wants the most), where by a man is not allowed to demonstrate he has any power. So she can be validated by him while she seeks a better mate, who she will leave and simply say "there was no chemistry anymore." This actually aligns with what the man feels, he knows …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:18 PM
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That's not cool and certainly boarders on abuse. We agree, it's not abuse. It's just hard ball. Asymmetrical power that is overt.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:11 PM
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That's what this thread is about. That conventional views of it are bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:07 PM
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Dread game is really just a demonstration of value. Women inherently have dread.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:06 PM
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our game almost always revolves around raising a males perceived value and NOT lowering the value a woman is seeking. Exactly. And all the posts claiming otherwise are freshly minted blue pills who put on a red hat. They fantasized about beating women, being a trophy with no effort etc. Then they think "if I just lower her SMV" even though you can't lower a woman's SMV. You can only demonstrate (dread, abundance, outcome independent) your own or raise it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:05 PM
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So it's abusive if you don't lie to a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:02 PM
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This can be overcome by transition to an overt relationship. Cuts down on the small scale warfair dramatically. But again, are you worth it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:01 PM
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Yes, you will if you are not man enough. This is why bloopers have no power in the relationship, because the woman has higher SMV. He has no leverage because she does not respect him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 07:00 PM
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Exactly. All men are replaceable, the real question is, are you her best available option? That is what all men work towards in their relationship. Making them cum, seeing you as a leader, making them think of you when you're gone. So when they're doing a value calculation on you, that they're not realizing they'd be much happier with someone else. That is power, the same power that you point out a woman carries. Which is also why I've rejected "equal" relationships, because it is ultimately whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:56 PM
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Okay, the only issue is that you're reinforcing my CMV. So we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:53 PM
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This is a CMV and you're... not doing well at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:52 PM
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Abusive relationships come from insecurity on the part of the abuser, and a need for control. Plenty of TRPers seem to be insecure control freaks, so yes, plenty of guys who think they are "TRP" are probably abusive as fuck. Exactly. In practice? Hahahahahahahaha This is because most posters on TRP are newbs. The guys that have been in the game for a while, usually are not an issue, especially if they've built SMV. Grown their careers, themselves etc. If all they've done is implement tactical wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:52 PM
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Correct, as I stated, I changed my view and started a new thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:50 PM
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It's because they don't "hold frame." They are the reference point in which a man must exceed. Her SMV\frame is inherent and reinforced systemically. Women only lose "frame" over time as SMV decreases, or if they have children, or get married and divorced (widows get a sympathy pass, but most men still devalue).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:49 PM
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You're misrepresenting my opinion. Let's assume again, Brad Pitt wants to date Sally NormalGirl, because he loves her personality, and also finds her attractive. He also has literally thousands of women waiting behind her though for their chance. What I was saying, is he doesn't need to lower himself to her level. She is insignificant to him, she is one of thousands of other women waiting for their shot at him. Angelina holds some degree of power on him. She is less replaceable. But if Brad Pitt…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 05:16 PM
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It does, it is actually the result of two principles in red pill land. Abundance mentality Outcome independence The thought of a man leaving a woman because he has other viable options is DREAD, because he has ABUNDANCE MENTALITY he does not need her and therefor he is unswayed by her opinion because he has OUTCOME INDEPENDENCE. What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 05:04 PM
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How does it not? Brad Pitt holds absolute, tyrannical power against Sally NormalGirl. Signs You feel like you can't say no Sally NormalGirl could turn down anal, but she'd be out of the door before she even told him why. Brad Pitt(tm) holds all the cards and ammunition. So is dating a normal girl abusive? Does he need to lower his standards to her level?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:58 PM
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I changed my view so its not even necessary, check my new submission, I have refined my view, since I no longer believe this CMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:45 PM
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I agree, that's what the post is about. I'm posting that they're conflating and that having power in a relationship isn't abusive. That's simply a conflict between liberal and traditional values. TRP would argue also against a woman's innate biology, but that's a separate discussion. It is entirely unreasonable to claim that because a man has power it is abusive. Sally NormalGirl dating Brad Pitt is not an abusive relationship. She doesn't get her SMV raised to his level because he chose her sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:42 PM
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Submitted a new CMV, considered this one changed, but it's on this point. Feel free to join it. In reading deeper into abusive tactics, I can agree that most of them could fly under the radar. However, most of the behaviors were beta. So I made a new CMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:34 PM
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View changed, deleting ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:24 PM
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List I found Constantly ridicule or insult you? (beta) Become extremely jealous? (beta) Make you account for every minute you are not together? (beta) Manipulate you with lies, contradictions or promises? (beta) Prevent you from seeing your friends and family? (beta) Get angry when you disagree? (beta) Make you ask for permission before you go out, get a job or go to school? (beta) Abuse your pet to frighten you? (beta) Destroy your property? (beta) Restrain you? (beta) Throw objects at you? (be…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:19 PM
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Again, we're diverging. You've linked signs of abuse. Not what you think abuse is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:55 PM
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Read further down.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:54 PM
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You were used, but you were not abused. Once he was being "a dick for no reason" you left him, because he did stop simply using you and started abusing you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:43 PM
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Give me a reason that they would conceptualize, that they deserve what they get?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:42 PM
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Then define what abuse is, because I think we're diverging here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:42 PM
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What I'm saying is that I make RP commentary to my SO. Admonish blooper couples, point out what will play out etc. Then it slowly plays out. I used it to give myself captain's authority, told her if she doesn't like it I'd blow the ship up and start a new fishing venture.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:34 PM
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I replied before your edit. Read it that way it should make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:29 PM
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You "revealed your power level." Protip, if you're going to do such a thing, you'll need years of giving anecdotal observational commentary to your SO. I've been doing it, and it has helped our relationship. But I think that is individualized and partly because she's very analytical.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:27 PM
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We won't date them, but they can be plated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:25 PM
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Yes, but this doesn't dispute the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:24 PM
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To elaborate, it's because I believe in the underlying theory. But not that women are trash. So honestly, I'm magenta pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:24 PM
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Those are your typical early "anger stage" guys. In my opinion, it's a horseshoe situation. Early stage and endorsed contributors are the worst. The people that have enough time to get the theory, put it into application, and be willing to critically analyze things that do and don't work and why, end up being more moderate. Don't get me wrong, I'm still considered a massive shithead IRL. But love is ruthless, I believe that. And it should be obvious to anyone with significant dating experience t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:22 PM
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Didn't read the article, so not going to turn the treadmill in reverse for that. I will concede that men are victims of abuse, but I have trouble believing someone doesn't realize they are in an abusive relationship. That is what the OP is about. When I did skim it, it read as though he didn't think it was legally domestic violence, and that it was one way. But he knew she was being violent. And I also am arguing, as the OP, that he knew it was wrong and could leave her if he wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:14 PM
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You're not really giving a "reason" though. That might be why they tolerate it, but not a reason why they deserve it. And if they deserve it the OP still stands, they know they are in one, they just can't leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:12 PM
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TBH, I'm not "red pill." I got into theory before it was called "the red pill." So I'm interested in the applied application of a lot of this stuff and the theory behind it, but don't consider women 2nd class citizens. Just that they're different. I assume they look at us the same way as in "what would it be like to be horny 24 hours a day?" And we wonder "what would it be like to just have to say yes or no."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:11 PM
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Sorry I don't buy this guys story. This guy is smart enough to know how to run a PR campaign for custody. Same rule applies here. Men know they are being abused, but they're doing a cost benefit analysis here. "She's smashing dinner plates over my head, but I couldn't find another as attractive mate." The same way a woman does. "Well, I get punched in the face when I don't have dinner ready. Then again, I have no income, am not particularly very attractive and we had kids together... shit... bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:06 PM
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Give an example of a reason why they deserve it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:03 PM
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Once a week? Fuck that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 03:27 AM
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Also known as hamstering
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 03:23 AM
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Just saying it's not red pill
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:34 AM
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Are you this stupid on all the days of the week?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:24 AM
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Except everyone chided him for beta rage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:13 AM
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Have fun banging smv3
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 02:11 AM
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Not Chad
/r/askTRP22/11/15 08:10 PM
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No, I got it, we just disagree on the severity that each n-count has on that image in her head. I too believed the "intensity" was important, but think about your own n-counts. I think you'll find it's a "highlight reel" that has "folders." Which makes n-count more important than "frequency count" or even quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 12:41 AM
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This is... very convincing. Damn.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 07:45 PM
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If you don't know that you're in an abuse relationship, you most certainly are not in one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 07:44 PM
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They're just high turnover employees.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 05:59 PM
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Is it a result of the patriarchy or cause girls just lack humour? It's been postulated and I agree that humor is a courtship skill that is used and honed by men mainly to overcome physically superior competition. Since women simply don't need to compete for men, they lack the pedigree that men have. I've always been a guy that commands a room when I want it, humor is my game. Always has been, always will. The only reason female comedians have any audience right now is because of how outrageously…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 02:12 AM
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Did you read my reply or just skip it? Employees, not applications.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 01:53 AM
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Bilateral pneumonia, bfd. I was in septic shock and had no worries that anyone, that I had ever dated, would "leave me" because of that. I don't understand how anyone is claiming being maimed or being disabled is in the same stratosphere as being in the ER or IC for a couple weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 01:48 AM
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More like you've had 30 people in that same position, you start to view people as interchangeable. And that's not gender based either. Many pickup artists describe becoming disillusioned, jaded and unable to form deep bonds after a while. That's not to say it doesn't happen, but you have to find an extraordinary person to overcome that. All this strategy talk is just about normalizing behavior. No one is saying "it is impossible." But its a good rule of thumb that your life as a man is going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 01:44 AM
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Tell me how your definition doesn't fit "full-time submissive" then.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 12:33 AM
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It's not an attack without basis, you're a bullshit artist. When confronted with facts you retreat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 12:12 AM
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Of course we're not, because you're wrong. There's an actual definition for what you're talking about and it conflicts with your desire to distort and conflate. You're a bullshit artist. Look up fulltime submissive and there it is, exactly what you're talking about. It even IS a KINK.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 11:10 PM
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Yes. This is referred to as the "captain\first mate" dynamic and orientation. It is not a sexual kink. What you're talking about does already have a name as I stated, and it's not RPW. It's called a "full time submissive." Look it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:55 PM
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You are confusing C\FM with Dom\Sub. As I stated, you're conflating. And now it's obvious you're just wrong. What you're referring to is called a "full time sub." My other half is not "inferior." In fact, objectively she may be considered superior on many fronts, or even in totality. It's just a relationship orientation. Stop trying to ram a triangle into the circle hole. Ceding control over the battle between "50%" and 60\40 needn't be compared to "master\slave." That's just bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:51 PM
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RPW isn't a "sexual" anything. It's a relationship orientation. You can be captain \ first mate and have her kick you in the balls every night if that's what you both want. It's simply a relationship orientation in which the woman seeks to make a man happy instead of a man supplicating either covertly or overtly hoping she will also return the favor. "Equal" relationships are just covertly female run relationships. RPW is overtly male run. It really has nothing to do with bedroom behavior, it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:32 PM
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The delta is certainly a true issue in regards to self confidence. But there are also legitimate reasons in regards to a LTR. How important can one person be in a pool of 30? The point of N count is you want to be the most important person in her life, ever, not just a contender for that title. No one wants a LTR remembering a barrage of one night stands, threesoms when "she was a different person." She's just used up at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:28 PM
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This is the purpose of my post I made here that was deleted with a retroactive marriage policy (even though the post wasn't pro marriage, it was pro nuclear family). The problem with your post is that despite the fact that you DO need to find someone you mesh with, that it doesn't end there. Provided you've found a woman WORTH that investment, she will require that you maintain your allure. And RP\MRP provides the mechanisms in which you should be paying attention to in cheating the system. Beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:24 PM
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Certainly not a kink in any definition of the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:44 PM
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I didn't realize we were such a small crew. You can include me. Have had one of the MRP guys claim I'm full of shit but not actually debate anything from my submissions. Would be very interested from any of the MRP guys where I've got room for improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 09:42 PM
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This is an excellent case in point that anyone that is left wing enough is essentially lawsuit bait. Hire with extreme caution, or better yet, refer them to your competitors.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 11:20 PM
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No matter what side you're on, she is an outlier. She aint red or blue pill, she's 10\10 fuckin' nuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 07:00 PM
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Oh, then we both agree. BP is the dominant thought paradigm. Get out your Disney (tm) manual kids, it's time to find a princess!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:30 PM
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God damn right you fucking faggot. Beer?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:28 PM
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Lowering her SMV to pander to you ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:27 PM
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What? No. Workplaces, public places, schools etc are full of blue pillars. That's why you don't "reveal your power level."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:14 PM
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Because there are personality overlaps. Red pill is embracing dark triad \ machiavellianism. When you don't mind playing the game at god tier your humor is different, the way you interact is different, your outlook is different and your tolerance for "playing nice" is null unless their is a present value payoff for you to do so, which on the internet doesn't exist. That's why "spot the red piller" exists. You just have to look for people that don't care to jump through mental gymnastics, you sti…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 06:12 PM
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They do not like the nature or personality of women. Female nature is annoying to most men, that doesn't mean that we don't like a lot of womens' personalities. But let's be clear, most women don't like "the nature of men" either. That doesn't make them misandrists.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 04:53 PM
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BOSS
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 04:22 PM
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Let them have all the blue meat and retarded/autistic kids they want ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 01:55 AM
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I've never cum in a woman's degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 01:50 AM
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How does that erode the wall though?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 01:27 AM
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High level theory pondering. If self assessment is systemically inflated, is it just valued appropriately? The wall proves inflation. "Settling" then is smv=smv. Not sure how to look at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 01:22 AM
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Not sure I disagree, there's room below for the disfigured and retarded. In average shape with an average income, welcome to smv5. For a man that is. For a woman, their self perception is smv7 same for same.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 01:10 AM
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It's still a semantic argument. RP says "he's SMV10 because he's a powerful actor with great looks." BP says "he's SMV10 because he doesn't have problems in his career or bad genetics."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 09:05 PM
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It's not socially acceptable to talk so directly, they are making the point in a lazy and politically correct way. Rather than saying "women will only date men who have much higher social value than them." That makes women seem selfish, because they are. But that's just the way things are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 08:40 PM
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Just remember, TRP is now officially anti-marriage.
/r/MarriedRedPill09/11/15 09:09 PM
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You dislike the points but aren't really addressing the points or even the substantive point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 05:51 PM
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It's not about the men, it's about the nuclear family.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 05:02 PM
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Actually I addressed point in methodical detail, the post now lives at PPD. You may disagree, but don't claim I didn't address the point at hand. The ENTIRE point of the post was HEDGING this issue and prequalifying your mate selection.
/r/askTRP07/11/15 04:38 PM
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I will say my post was written too strongly, I absolutely should have prefaced it with something to the effect that "hormones are drastically affecting your relationship dynamic." You're correct. That being said, when the honeymoon phase ends, if a man is not in overt control of a relationship, one should expect the relationship to undergo significant turbulence. These things play out pretty regularly on r/relationships. BP side is to focus on some of the minutia like "maybe you should have comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 04:15 PM
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People want to believe they see the world in a more innovate and forward thinking way than their peers, so they must conceptualize a future which aligns with their belief system, or else they realize that their beliefs make them an outlier and that in fact they need to conform themselves to this reality. For instance, if we look at the two extremes in sexual dynamics. The ultra conservative red pill ideology is the "decline." That women will be "punished" for gaining power within the system. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 04:09 PM
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-physiological-changes-can-explain-honeymoon-phase-relationship/
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 03:46 PM
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If she would not agree for a man to be her captain, she would not agree to be a plate in the first place. The women you call toxic garbage would not have you. Sour grapes. That conversation would be after platehood. It's not like you setup a dinner date here and before sex you say "I'm the captain." That's between dating and LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 01:50 PM
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Most of the stories I read about "RPW" claiming to be in failed marriages are not red pill women by a long shot. Once you explain this to them they say "who the hell would do THAT?" A clear indicator that there is merit conceptually to the fact that you should be selecting women who accept overt submission. That is a way to vet for RPW in a way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 01:49 PM
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1) A low n-count woman will want a low n count man. Outside of the RP "universe", very few high n count men partner with virgins because as virgins we think they are bad bets for marriage. Assuming I can have any guy I want, I will choose the less experienced guy over the more experienced all other things equal b/c sleeping with over 40 girls indicates to me that you are a cheating risk. You are not entirely wrong here, but anecdotally I've seen it done. Since women have begun to shame these wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 01:46 PM
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This is well documented basic shit right here.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 01:38 PM
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Red pill doesn't necessarily mean anything changes. Most of it is just being aware of the dynamics and planning accordingly. In my opinion, if you're planning to go long, you'll need to work your way towards overt control, or the captain\first mate dynamic. If you're doing things right it shouldn't change much, except end some trivial disagreements faster and require you have a preamble for feminists when the topic comes up out in public. This is really only problematic for guys that are too far…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 02:43 AM
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Also, overt control doesn't mean "boss her around." It's captain\first mate. Not hitler\jew.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 02:03 AM
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Please read the thread I linked. https://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3qbups/the_blue_pill_ideal_of_were_both_equal_is_a_tacit/ You have to follow the logic, it's not about how much you lift, its about her ego, versus the delta value between you two. If you don't hold a strong enough place in her heart and mind to admit you hold control, by way of the logic of your physical dominance, she controls you. It's a long arguement that you need to take in before I can reply further.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 01:59 AM
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The relationship structure you're in right now is one that your girlfriend is in control of. Since you are not cohabiting, you get to stretch out the honeymoon stage. You aren't even in a real relationship yet to be honest. You have no need for anything because both of your bodies are dumping chemicals when you see each other. So here's what's going to happen, and after it does, you can go to the red pill. If you make it far enough to move in together, shortly there after the "spark is gone." Sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 01:39 AM
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Same thing applies to a successful marriage these days, homie. The lifetime success rate for marriages initiated over 25 for a middle class, non interracial marriage is something like 40%. That's extremely high compared to something that is a fraction of 1%. Society raises us to become worker bees. Just cogs in the system. Not entrepreneurs, not free thinkers. It encourages us to be meek and 'humble'. Make no mistake, even as an entrepreneur you work for the system. Source : business owner. Ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 01:24 AM
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This is correct. It serves two functions. 1) It eliminates nearly 100% of the headstrong women. These women are toxic garbage that you never in a million years would want a child with. If a woman is not willing to admit you are the leader in the relationship, they are either leading the relationship or their ego is larger than is manageable. If they refuse to overtly submit, basically there is no chance you can manage the relationship for 20-30-40 years. Thus she is plated. 2) It serves as a lit…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 01:17 AM
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Two issues. 1) These are all great goals all men should aspire to, but honestly, an extremely limited number ever achieve. 2) These goals are systemic and not innate. Raising children and having a tight family is hardwired fulfillment. The rest are just goals that you're satisfying for the system. It's like the career woman. Maybe she becomes CEO, good for her. But she sacrifices her purpose, being a mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 11:47 PM
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Because she has viable alternate mates that would offer her safety and social proof in marriage at SMV=SMV. Which artificially lowers your SMV to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 11:44 PM
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Set your standards higher and ask yourself a question. "If I don't raise a family, what was my ultimate goal with my life and what was my purpose?"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 11:03 PM
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Though we disagree on pills, it makes sense from a strategy standpoint and we see the same thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erikson%27s_stages_of_psychosocial_development Someone enters RP at the "early adult stage." If you start to also introduce concepts that are from actual adult hood, it could muddle their machine a bit. It's much easier and works more effectively to say "this is the only way you will ever think" rather than saying "you probably will grow as a person, and though the appl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 10:49 PM
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I don't think I'm really disagreeing with much of RP to be honest. To me the core of RP is acceptance of reality. BP is ignoring, distorting an realigning it. BP'ers get into a relationship with a high n count woman who leaves to ride the CC and they say "what HAPPENED?" We laugh. We recognize they're looking, analyzing prospects, planning etc. BP's say "she loves me, we respect eachother." They say "we're equal." I say "she's leading, enjoy the grinder." That being said, I disagree on a couple …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 10:43 PM
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Unless you want a stable nuclear family. Otherwise, we agree. No LTR is worth marriage without kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 10:36 PM
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I think legally I don't see an issue. Unless somehow the surrogate mother decided she wanted to be the legal mother, I think there's some wacko stuff with that. If I remember when I went down this path you have to go international. I ultimately rejected this idea before and after a family for different reasons. Before, because the thought of having kids with no mom I thought was too socially rediculous, and after because I learned what family actually was. The reason why I believe your idea is B…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 10:36 PM
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It's possible, but do you want to have that large of an SMV disparity?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 10:30 PM
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Noted, thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 10:18 PM
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Concision has its purposes, and one of them is as a way to test your own understanding of your ideas. If you can't summarize your argument in a few well-crafted sentences (not communicate everything about it, but summarize it), then chances are you're not quite sure exactly what it is you're trying to say. And if you're not sure, your reader is going to be left unsure. I was mainly debating this right here. I don't believe I could have sunstancially reduced the post without it lacking credibilit…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 10:16 PM
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Mystery's stupid felt hat with plates spinning off of it? https://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d908a9a3a6c268a73cc954c5391faef1?convert_to_webp=true Holy cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 10:08 PM
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Ahh... no. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlL2Jj-kCNU You're arguing the purpose of concision, in terms of accepted narrative. You're claiming if it can't be said simply, then its not worth saying. That is exactly what I was saying the issue with debating an accepted narrative is, that concision is a tool to restrict dissent. You actually demonstrated the case in point with this reply. You can listen to his discussion on this if you'd like. I'm not saying the post couldn't be shortened, but it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 09:57 PM
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I've been on the internet a really long time, it was strictly a case of apathy. I have no incentive to do anything but exactly what I want to do when there are no rewards. They asked me to be a cuck, I refused. Nothing won or lost. The thread reached a point of debate I was comfortable with. I saw some shortcomings in terms of my prefaces, some areas that need to be tightened up. Now I want some blue debate too. After that I'll be comfortable internally. I have no tshirts to sell yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 09:54 PM
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*Most What about the requirements that RP men are bothersome to you BPW?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 09:50 PM
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You have debated literally nothing about this post. If you're claiming that I'm recycling, at least clue me into what is being reposted. I've seen no mention anywhere in terms of the discussions of systemic worship, almost no discussions about divorce rape hedging (because the discussions side track into conflationary talk about child support, or ignoring that divorce is income biased, not gender biased), nothing about balancing abundance mentality and tactical usage when the time comes and litt…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 09:47 PM
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I agree, it could be trimmed down, but I have no incentive to do such a thing (from a work rewards perspective). It's there for people that are interested and want to read. If its too long, too bad so sad. You know? I think in the perspective of the amount of content you have to absorb to get the basics down for RP, this is a worthy read once you've got that down. If you don't have the basics this is way way too much to try and chew on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 09:31 PM
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Your input is valued, besides just complaining. And I find it interesting that you see the language from the mods as neutral, they're hostile. Their behavior was weak, and that makes me an asshole, so be it. Censorship is about the bluest thing known to man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 09:23 PM
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Please enter the debate then. This is not a "I'm right, you're wrong." This was a theory post looking for holes in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 09:21 PM
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You fail to address why you would enter into a contract from which you can derive no benefit. Your benefit is the nuclear family, the same as hers. You can not expect a woman with no formal commitment to dedicate her total ambitions to family, it's a total RP pipe dream. When have you ever met a woman, without a ring, who had children with someone and was really in it for the family? It just doesn't happen. Because you're tilting the scales too much. I mean if you were Chad SMV10 and she was SMV…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 09:14 PM
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I absolutely align with this concern. As I stated, I'm not anti TradCon. Though it can be more risky. But I still think there are advantages to daycare, namely socialization. Our children are watched by friends and family and there is a clear deficit in certain areas compared to kids that go to daycare. We're hoping early preschool enrollment offsets that. We won't see the results of that for a while. But we spend tons of time with our kids and focus very intensely on the nuclear family, so I th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 09:07 PM
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Waiting to oil out any flaws before posting there. Was really interested to debate it on TRP, but they're taking the new "no marriage talk" direction I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 09:03 PM
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This is not really a post advocating a framework for children without a mother, or LTRs without marriage. There is tremendous value to a nuclear family in terms of personal satisfaction. My personal viewpoint is that this is a blue pill idea that you're conceptualizing. My opinion on the baseline difference between BP\RP theory is that blue pill tries to ignore, distort or otherwise divorce reality to conform with their desires. RP means you accept and embrace reality. The realities in this post…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 09:01 PM
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I understand not everyone is interested in information that isn't easily digested and in small tidbits. Noam Chomsky made an interesting point about how concision is an excellent tool to keep narratives from deviating when conflicting views come up. This is for people that enjoy and are interested in discourse, and theory. Not for anyone that wants an easy "do this, not that, discuss!"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 08:52 PM
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No fault divorce gives all the power to the person who wants to walk away. This is absolutely true, which is why 1) This is a hedge method (income equality, divorcing spouses who refuse to work) 2) You are refusing to LTR\commit to any woman that shows even an ounce of desire to elevate career above family. 3) You are focusing on women who have a PRIMARY goal to have family (by vetting looking to their inclination towards NATURAL vs SYSTEMIC interests), this gives YOU leverage in so fact that HE…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 08:45 PM
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Interested in blue and red input for sure. It was a theory post, so interested in rebuttals. The most common one that demonstrates someone doesn't understand this is that it is "pro marriage." It is not, it is "pro nuclear family." I am anti marriage for anyone that is not having children with a woman that wants children.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 08:41 PM
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Strict RP is an easy sell to someone who hasn't reached a level of maturity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erikson's_stages_of_psychosocial_development Strict RP relegates someone to "early adulthood." So it's not surprising that someone would come into mental conflict at an older age, starting to FEEL and SEE that they are at a stage of arrested development compared to their peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 08:32 PM
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Essentially, you're trying to shame people into marriage/oneitis. Nuclear family... reread.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 08:19 PM
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ITT lots of ex-boyfriends. So the answer gentleman, is ultimately... NO.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 07:52 PM
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PM me please, still shows for me.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 07:39 PM
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It's not about jerking off my ego, it's got 11K characters in it. Jesus, how far away from the point can you be? It's a solid post that deserved to live, and was retroactively censored for a not yet existent policy. BLUE PILL
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 07:37 PM
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MRP, don't you mean cuck? /s
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 07:35 PM
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I LOVE debate. In a former life I was a lawyer before the job market went to shit, started a business instead and charting to professorship. I love theory and debate. My post history is a validation of me as a person. I do have a lot of removed posts, because if there's one thing people hate, it's debating reality, truth and a solid argument that conflicts with a given narrative. My post is proof I live my debates. If you can find a crack in my dam, go for it. I'd appreciate you for it, it would…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 07:34 PM
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It had a 90% upvote ratio. It might be an accepted hated opinion, but posters who read it agree'd with the narrative. And I clearly stated, if people read it, that it doesn't need to at all disrupt the normal flow of operations of plating. Like I'm literally proposing the cake and eat it too solution to "do I want to fuck for the rest of my life or start a family." YES, YES.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 07:30 PM
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Appreciate the post and I think you make a good recommendation that this might be a stepping stone to something else, but I'm not that vested in the community. I wanted to throw a bone to a younger me in the new game, but apparently that makes me some sort of sell out that I think the idea of shooting elephants in the face with my wife and kids somehow ISN'T red pill, and instead I should just focus on lay ups for the rest of my life, because that is so alpha. Come on. I can see how the post wou…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 07:28 PM
2

Preselection proof at work.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 07:24 PM
1

Just look at my submit history ;)
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 07:20 PM
5

One thing that drives me absolutely insane is censorship, especially from people who claim to have an issue with it. I'd be just as pissed off debating what material makes a better butt plug if it got removed from a sub that claimed to be fighting speech issues, then engages in it.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 07:20 PM
4

I missed your post, which is a shame. I would've liked to read your position. Just check my submit history. It's like 170 up, 150 comments.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 07:18 PM
2

Great post. This post shows experience with C\FM with a high SMV woman. It's C\FM not hitler\jew. Lots of guys don't understand that.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 05:39 PM
1

I on one half agree with you, but the beta talk is REALLY weird. It reads like her trying to lead him to slaughter.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 05:14 PM
1

No faster than any woman IMO, sexually, but commitment comes faster IMO.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 05:06 PM
1

Unless you're finishing your masters, you're probably over estimating the disparity. Teachers are often poison pill problems. Is your dynamic OVERT?
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 04:59 PM
1

2-5% anecdotally. Musical chairs only if red pill became accepted narrative. Bloopers indirectly assign lower smv to this subset.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 04:55 PM
1

Address your frame and increase opportunity. You're fine.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 04:53 PM
1

Seems a little gimmiky. Sex is good, mentally, physically, socially etc.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 04:02 PM
1

Good luck finding all those traits in a female to marry these days. The percentages of women that are characterized by this are less than 5% at best. Agree'd. Ergo, the number of men being able to attain this will only be the top 5% at best. Well.. not necessarily. I want to make a separate post, but I don't believe SMV9\10 women are ever marriage material, and 8.5 can be risky. So if you're SMV8.5, you are the 5%. In effect, by vetting, you actually are realigning SMV. A tight nuclear family wi…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 04:01 PM
1

This is not about marriage, it's about the nuclear family.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 04:00 PM
2

Prenups are basically worthless. Also, besides vetting, what steps did you take to avoid divorce rape? Finding a woman who can earn as much or more than you is the other part of the equation. Divorce is not gender biased, it is biased by ways of income. If you are making comparable incomes, divorce is more of an issue of attorneys fees. Provided you are treating your marriage like a marriage, and not just as some piece of paper to placate her. And I haven't "avoided divorce rape" only hedged aga…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:59 PM
1

You can always move to Asia if you really believe its that bad. I think most people who say stuff like this are exaggerating. As men we get a pass for a lot of things aesthetically.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:55 PM
2

Can you please elaborate on #1 in terms of my post? And #2 is irrelevant because the best I can deduce is you guys weren't planning on having kids anyways (I assume because of the age). My post isn't "pro marriage" it's "pro nuclear family."
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:50 PM
1

Why go into monk mode though? Usually you go into monk mode because SMV is low.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:37 PM
2

This is more from the parental perspective, not the child's. It's good you had a chance to bond with your adoptive family and they are great people for it. But nothing compares to planning, conceiving, watching the birth of your child and raising them. It is outrageously satisfying on a human level and nothing comes close. I dislike greatly blue pill ideas of reconstructing things to make them "equal." You and I are both thankful people like your parents exist in the world. But I doubt that your…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:34 PM
1

So are we now saying RP end game is marriage? This is wrong. Wrong, tight nuclear family. Avoid having your woman be a SAHM? Not necessarily, lots of replies on this already. What if your "career woman" who affords you a two income lifestyle decides she wants to stay at home when the kids come? You're fucked. If you're married, now she starts invisibly accumulating 50% of every dollar you make. The more successful you are, the more she "earns". The more she earns, the more incentive to cash out …
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:30 PM
1

From your experience/ old guy wisdom, what is the down side in cheating the system and having children with a women who you've cohabited with long term? None, but it's temporary. You have to bring the whole package, you can't stay strict RP forever. Seems to me the perfect situation would be that my theoretical "baby mama" lives in my house and if she gets uppity she can try her luck out there on her own while she'll waits until the first child support payment. You should be moving this dynamic …
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:27 PM
1

I should have clarified. It's almost impossible to take a modern woman and transition her home. Normally this is a case of her "not wanting to work" instead of "wanting to stay home." This is a timebomb. Eventually she will likely decide "she made a mistake" and start hamstering hard. You are there to guide her in her goals, which should be children and will LIKELY include a career. Great, support her in that endevour. You can't make her be something she doesn't want. If her ORIGINAL goal was to…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:21 PM
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Find a woman that is not interested in kids, and wants to have a career, and you can skip most of the worries about being divorce raped. Congratulations, you've turned a journey to the greatest part of human existence into a business relationship.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:19 PM
1

Women have long since moved on from their traditional roles. It's time we all moved on too. But it seems some men just can't let go and will end up as more meat for the divorce-industrial grinder. Yes, my post recognizes this. The women who remain that are viable for this, is a slim number. For the rest of us, just spin plates in your 20s, have a few LTRs in your 30s and 40s and then just do your own thing beyond that. And if you are really obsessed with continuing your genetic lineage, whatever…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:18 PM
1

This is a tough issue with modern women, but you must maintain frame. Here I would say you almost need to travel back in time, because you have two relationships of sorts. Overt submission needs to be made when SMV is high, not low, otherwise she may not accept it when her SMV increases again. If she is otherwise hitting all the right points on the post I gave, I would stick it out. Because again, ABUNDANCE MENTALITY, SCARCITY TACTICS.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:16 PM
2

Exactly. Which is why I separate strict sexual dynamics from commitment dynamics.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:14 PM
0

They are accepting paradigms that are sold to them, instead of innate goals. I consider that blue pill logic.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:13 PM
1

I'm not entirely sure you absorbed all this. We're on the same page, yet not. The entire post is accepting that these women are extremely rare, but not giving up. Because, what reason do you have to give up? You can do everything just the same. This is just unicorn hunting 701.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:12 PM
0

There is nothing good about being celibate.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:07 PM
0

but it looks like a good one if you can manage it. This is us, which is why I call this the end game. We haven't literally gone to Africa with the kids yet, but this would be us. Main issue being finding that woman, kids are up for anything. So let's see, you can find a virgin at 18 (good luck), marry her at 19, have kids in your 20's, monitor her every movement so she doesn't stray, work your ass off so that she might not feel quite such a big urge to stray, work out forever, stay on a diet for…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:05 PM
1

Assuming you've topped out or are pretty close, why are you against marrying an average woman? Have you been in any LTRs?
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:03 PM
1

I'm not anti TradCon, plenty of responses, will edit later today. Kids and a tight knit family should be the end game, but I don't know about marriage. I see that as optional and that's mainly because of the paperwork and the way a woman can fuck you over. I personally don't think I'll ever be married. I would do the wedding vows and the reception. Let my girl wear her wedding gown and feel like an angel, but I'll never sign that piece of paper. No way. You are only biding time. You must marry h…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 03:02 PM
1

Don't do your kids a disservice by homeschooling them. Meet homeschooled kids, they are.... out there. Public school gets a bad wrap. Knowledge is only half the battle, socialization is the other half. You can walk into the board room and be a genius, but if you don't understand how people work you'll be laughed out. I'm pro public school. I'm not anti TradCon, it's just a risky proposition. If you found a woman that WANTS to stay home not just NOT WORK, then congrats. Just be wary of the risks.…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:58 PM
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I still support AWALT, but rather than give up, I dug into my balls ;) Hence my belief that not wanting a family is just blue pill logic wrapped up and spray painted fire engine red. In fact, the majority of people against the idea of a tight family I think are blue pillers.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:54 PM
1

The point is the nuclear family. It is the end state and ultimate state of a relationship. Casual sex is a home run. Having a tight family is owning the stadium.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:52 PM
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This is just defeat wrapped up in a different package. Dig into your balls and be a man.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:51 PM
2

This is only temporary. Source, me. Other half has a doctorate. You can't outrun social pressures forever, but you can stave them off while you vet vet vet and structure. In fact, her willingness to let you stave things off is a great indicator. I mean the best time to go fuck Chad or CC is before marriage ;)
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:51 PM
1

Did you mean any woman who -is able-? No. Because life isn't a checklist. You do your best to make the right choice and hope it works out. Not sit in your cave waiting and waiting and waiting for the perfect time to start a fire. You just start twirling your sticks, because its cold and if you don't start this fire you'll die. Edit: I am confused about one part. You want her to have a job? Are you poor? Or is this to keep her occupied? Or what? I'm not anti TradCon, but these women are EXTREMELY…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:49 PM
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/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:43 PM
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Nothing, it has its own set of challenges but I'm just saying 1) It's risky. 2) It is MUCH MUCH harder to find a TradCon woman who isn't just really low SMV. A lot of times stay at home moms are just really low SMV women. There is a difference between "wants to be a housewife" and "doesn't want to work."
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:41 PM
1

Keep it up man, living the dream and also providing proof to the theory and concept. Low ncount Family is\was a primary goal Working She gets to make a lot of decisions, most of them in fact. CRITICAL thing a lot of RP guys don't get and MRP guys do. CAPTAIN, not TYRANT. BRAVO.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:40 PM
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BUT, you are only speaking from anecdotal evidence. Speak to a few men who are much wealthier and more successful than yourself, and who followed your rules to the letter, and still got raped via divorce court. People who make very large amounts of money are mostly restricted to marrying the same. I believe this is intentional from a societal standpoint. 1 ) It reinforces that women should not date low SMV men. 2 ) It punishes people who succeed (who everyone secretly hate) Have kids, just don't…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:38 PM
1

You will love my post about "The bluepill ideal of we're both equal..." check my submissions. It's an entire post about how without OVERT admission, your relationship is eventual meat grinder material. I must disagree on one point however. With modern laws and in modern society, I see marriage and children as independent things. There is no need to sign that three way contract (you, her, government) in order to have kids. If the woman is fully committed to building a life with you and isn't boug…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:21 PM
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Don't leap from discussing theory to being bitter and attacking a messenger. This is a theory discussion and you're being blue pill about this. Settle down, put your emotions away and come back.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:16 PM
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Please give me more details against my unicorn requirement list and details up to and surrounding this. I have trouble believing it "happened out of nowhere." I don't see anything about kids. Did you guys have kids? Because most of this post is about bringing a woman to HER end game together. Did she have kids with the next guy?
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:15 PM
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Talk to everyone you know that is STRONGLY child free. Then ask yourself "do I want to be that person?"
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:13 PM
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This is UNICORN HUNTING 701, gradschool thesis. Again, TWO PRONG. Plates & prude hunting.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:13 PM
1

, I think you are underestimating the extreme scarcity of worthy women I don't think so at all. I made two points demonstrating this. The first was my discussion about scarcity and abundance. Where I advocate ABUNDANCE MENTALITY and SCARCITY TACTICS (in terms if she is worthy). I ABSOLUTELY recognize this and point out you'd expect a handful, or maybe two women out of a bar to be of this caliber. Second, I think there is nothing wrong with a stay at home mother, especially when the kids are extr…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 02:06 PM
2

All joking aside, if anyone can introspectively decide that they are in the "mememe" stage and realize it, they are WAY WAY ahead of the game.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 01:56 PM
5

Had at least one MGTOW complaining in here. I'm sure he jacked off with furious anger.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 01:55 PM
1

This post is the result of some deep soul searching in terms of RP a while ago. I branched from your perspective to mine over the last 5 years. The question I could not reconcile is this. "If I don't have a family, what is my purpose in life or reason to exist?" The answers to that are Plate\Have fun Travel Help people etc. These are all systemic goals. These are goals that are provided by the system to give me purpose. They are not innate, and ultimately I concluded this logic is blue pill, and…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 01:52 PM
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This is partly why she should be capable of earning as much as you and that you file for divorce if she quits her job. Also, you will run into issues without marriage eventually. There are two things that eventually a woman needs to stay with you (okay, the vast majority). A ring, and eventually the ability to call you her husband. These are socially reinforced and you can only stave time, not create a permanent alternative. You are essentially cucking her, so your game needs to be strong and yo…
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 01:43 PM
2

How did your wives stack up on the list I provided? Interested to discuss this. You don't need to be angry, you got run through the meat grinder, it sucks, but let's make sure the theory stands and see where it can be expanded or modified.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 01:39 PM
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What are you saying "this or that?" Would a woman only choose the CC or BB when she can AF\BB? I'm not saying you have to find this woman, but as many older men in here will tell you, if you find her and you don't lock her down someone like me will.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 01:38 PM
1

See note about MGTOW on bottom.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 01:21 PM
1

Why? You can have your cake and eat it too today. Pussy is free.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 01:20 PM
1

Thank you, divorce without kids is salvageable! Did she put you through the meat grinder and how'd she match up on the requirement list?
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 01:20 PM
1

I'm not against it, just that from a legal standpoint they've more or less have made it impractical. It's also insanely rare to find a woman that actually wants to do this. Keep in mind, not working and staying home is distinctly different, mentally. This post is advocating a practical, obtainable reality in modern frameworks.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 01:18 PM
1

What, no. Marriage and children are end game. Reread.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 05:59 AM
3

This is in the woman's hands now generally, she decides if you're worthy of getting off birth control. Until then, you're just masturbation and a potential.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/15 05:56 AM
1

Another notch that this can't possibly be real, because no one could be that daft to not understand what family is. Holy fuck, how do I keep getting roped into this trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 09:25 PM
1

She's miles away from a "covert contract." WTF are you talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 09:23 PM
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Still no conflict, plenty of blue men to put through the meat grinder.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 07:18 PM
1

Trololol lolol lololol. Trolololl lolol lololol!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 07:10 PM
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This doesn't conflict with TRP theory at all. Most men are blue pill, so your results are expected. TRPs position is it's a bad buy in terms of sexual economics (marrying a high n count woman), and high ncount has an inverse relationship with marital success in studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 06:00 PM
1

Dis agree with "less exciting." It's different.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 05:46 PM
1

Was going to expand, glad you nailed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 05:45 PM
1

Heavily male dominated fields are good pursuits for women, easy to get jobs. Most people are able to get an education and still be RPW unless your husband to be is flying so high right now he needs to wisk you around the country, that would be tough, but online education is obtainable. The best RPW I know has a degree in nursing and makes a good amount more than her husband. But he's no longer holding his end of the bargain and now holding her up on kids. That is a perfect example of the RPW dyn…
/r/RedPillWomen04/11/15 05:23 PM
1

It's alright, I bought the troll bait for a little bit, but I'm over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 05:17 PM
1

All posts on reddit are assumed to be from the USA. So if you're from another country, your problem is not RTFM of reddit. Is that all posts are to be assumed addressing the united states.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 05:13 PM
2

I created this in PPD because I wanted to see what would happen when RPW and TRP are forced to consider an irreconcilable situation. You didn't post an irreconcilable solution. You mislabeled yourself as RPW, claimed that RPM is making you miserable and instead made a post about how you're unhappy, not in an unhappy relationship. You've made no posts what so ever what makes your marriage RPM. Which is why I will continue to say this is trolling. If you can honestly type out that you have a perfe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 05:04 PM
1

You mentioned nothing of an unhappy marriage, you mentioned yourself being unhappy. You also never mentioned any sort of "repression." Simply that you somehow need a 2nd graduate degree to be happy. God I still want you to be a troll. If not, I'm reading one of the saddest stories of a family breaking up ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 04:36 PM
1

There is literally no insanity in that post.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 04:35 PM
2

Good luck on your journey and the impending destruction of your family. Remember to tell your kids how you just want to spread your wings when they ask why you're getting divorced.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 03:37 PM
1

Dual income.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 12:49 PM
1

All of these things are part of a divorce, except child custody. Which is decided in a separate case. You realize you can go to family court to split up your family and not get divorced right? They are separate matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 12:49 PM
1

Great, I don't disagree that child custody is biased. Welcome to the OP. That's not what we're talking about though. We're talking about divorce. So yes, go get butt raped in family court with your children, then get divorced, where gender is not inherently an issue. Again, welcome to the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 04:04 AM
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Children are not an issue in any divorce cases, ever, because divorce is a legal separation of a marriage and its assets. Literally has never been an issue since the history of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 03:49 AM
0

Oh hey, more talk about custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 03:41 AM
1

Your post is like someone posting about living in a mansion saying they want to burn it down because they're pretty sure they'd rather live in Motel6.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 02:33 AM
0

Is your post real or not? I have no problems debating merits of things (in fact it's something I enjoy a lot), and it would be more interesting than talking to someone who is unhelpable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 01:45 AM
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I don't even believe this is a real post. But if this is real, and you don't realize what you have, only losing it will show you how wrong you are. There are only two scenarios here. You are serious. This means you have fundamentally misunderstood family at such a profound level that no amount of internet debate can help you. You are a troll. This is how you think happiness works and are constructing a fantasy. For you, I hope it is number 2. I will spend all the time you want debating this. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 01:14 AM
1

The argument is that it's an income issue, not gender. And saying there is a gender bias is just false.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 12:42 AM
1

Children are a different matter, don't conflate them. Divorce is a separate matter from children. It's in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 12:34 AM
2

Oh for fuck sake. I'm done now. You're working on a second grad degree and still haven't discovered the beauty of the nuclear family? You don't deserve the family you have. Your perspective is BEYOND fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 12:32 AM
1

Court, my bad. Or if you want to open scope, just remove the word quote. Gender is not an issue in divorce, in general. I'm comfortable debating that by itself unless your main interest is discussing child issues, which are a seperate matter (In the US at least).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 12:30 AM
1

To be honest with you, I'm still not convinced this is a serious post, and if it is... ohhh boy. I don't have kind words for you, so my apologies. Listen, this is some of the lowest hanging fruit of problems I've ever seen. In fact, I'm going to use a word decisively here. Entitlement. You know what many marriages are breaking up over? Infidelity Crippling illnesses Kids being born sick, retarded, handicapped Death in family Taking care of dependants etc etc You feel entitled to have it all. No …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 12:26 AM
1

Is that what the title says? Get out your glasses.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 12:10 AM
1

No, for being daft. The OP is about divorce being gender biased, and you want to talk about child support and custody. Because it helps an argument I'm not even debating. If you discussed this IRL people would think you're mentally retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 12:10 AM
0

You're just that daft, irl you'de be getting ridiculed about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 11:58 PM
1

This is true. The result of this brought to its end is that few women are worthy of marriage by way of institutional construct if you are managing risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 11:56 PM
2

YANAL
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:54 PM
1

Contempt of court
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:50 PM
0

I'm just dispelling a false statement by holding frame. You're acting like a bp woman throwing a tantrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:49 PM
1

I'm not against tradcon, but it's risky. Moving from DI to TradCon is a recipe for disaster. It's got to be groomed very carefully.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:49 PM
2

You're going to have to elaborate a lot for me to not believe you aren't trolling. Please tell us why you feel this way and what life you envision for yourself. What I get out of this? That you're a BP troll that is trying to "disprove" things. You haven't talked about anything beyond an abstract level, and even barely there. Basically you've said "I'm not happy with red pill life." Why? "Because I'm not blue pill." With nothing beyond that. Like if you really feel like you want to divorce someo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:20 PM
0

This isn't about custody, it's about divorce. This is like you being mad you can't talk about Mt Dew because we're talking about Cheetos. Sure they go good together, and they are tangically related, but the CMV is clearly that DIVORCE has no gender bias. DIVORCE. DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVORCE.DIVO…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:17 PM
1

That's fine, it's better for both parties that way. Marriage is supposed to be forever, and generally for children. If that's not of interest, it's a meaningless showing of symbolism for a net negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:15 PM
1

Yeah, I've seen a number of studies land between $180-$250K. So I'm not buying $500K much less $1M.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:02 PM
2

RP & BP all start out "anti-marriage." Then you grow up. Difference between the two is that RP sets themselves up for a successful marriage, and BP sets themselves up for the meat grinder ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:01 PM
1

Exactly. Few women are worth marrying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:00 PM
0

Great, start another thread to talk about it. Outside the scope.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:00 PM
1

This isn't the first hurdle, you're talking about a relationship I'm advocating against. If you were making equal income there is little in the way of alimony, or if she made more, she'd be paying you alimony. As stated, this is a discussion about divorce and "gender bias" there. I'm not sure what you're even getting at. You're arguing about something else so far as I can gather.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:00 PM
-1

Make your own circle jerk thread then
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 09:32 PM
2

Most of them are destined for plates, not marriage.
/r/MarriedRedPill03/11/15 09:02 PM
12

If this was a man running that production, putting out that much drama he would be unemployable. This behavior is almost to Troy Duffy level. But not quiet.
/r/TheRedPill03/11/15 08:54 PM
2

Okay, well great. Start another thread about. This thread is about the fact there isn't a gender bias in divorce laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:49 PM
1

Mostly worthless and often thrown out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:47 PM
5

The fact this post is about you and not "our family" means you are most certainly not rpw. Family goes above you two as individuals. You exist to work as a family and to please each other next. Him as your man, you as his woman. I can't see one complaint except that your husband is a man and admitted to being one. What exactly are you unhappy about? That you didn't become a career woman and whore around? What needs aren't being met?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:34 PM
1

You can reread this thread, it doesn't at all conflict with your worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:24 PM
0

Out of the scope of this debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:22 PM
1

Yeah, we lucked out there. But good job on making the right choices! Cringe when I see people spending so much money on "the best." Like they're going to shit on that, literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:20 PM
1

Did you read the thread or are you just spewing? This thread is advocating against your marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 07:58 PM
5

Did you even read this thread? Literally you're at step 0 of the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 07:57 PM
1

Not unless one person makes markedly more money. That's what this post is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 07:53 PM
2

Because no woman worth an ltr will stay with you forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 07:51 PM
1

Going out, not out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 07:51 PM
1

Fyi unless mentioned, ask discussions are assumed usa.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 07:49 PM
1

Do you make markedly more than her?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 07:45 PM
-1

It's a completely different court case, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 07:44 PM
1

We took every handout and also solicited friends. One thing we almost never did was say no to children's toys, equipment, clothes etc. Ain't no shame in 90s clothes on a 2 year old. Nothing stained or anything, but fuck stylish kids. Goodwill is also a great source. $3 for a shirt instead of $30. Pretty much the only clothes we bought new was formal stuff for birthdays and pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 07:43 PM
-1

What do you mean take everything? She's legally entitled to half. What do you think marriage is?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:54 PM
-2

File for divorce. That's like you pulling a Peter Gibson's from office space. Totally unacceptable. No one wants to work, you just do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:43 PM
0

I think the values are inflated imo. Our kids are a couple years old and we've spent probably $200 or less for the both of them total, instead of $1000 per year. This to me reeks of someone banging out numbers in excel as opposed to a study on spending habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:36 PM
1

I think you have the right idea, just make sure the group has solid values. Car culture became anti social when it became unacceptable to be unabashedly masculine.
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/15 06:33 PM
4

Because blue pill
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:31 PM
2

If you're both killing it that would be bargain basement. That should be thrifty for two doctors.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:31 PM
0

It's going out of fashion, since women are becoming more masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:29 PM
-4

First of all, you should never marry a headstrong woman. If she does not submit to first mate, you're risking the meat grinder. And second, you should have expectations set for both of you. If you're thinking "wow, there aren't many women you could marry given those requirements..." you've got it. Bingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:28 PM
1

Yes, make your boundries clear. This should be a pre marriage pre kids discussion. Unless you're both relaxing. Which with two incomes is double, but risky career wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 06:19 PM
0

Half that, but imo widely inaccurate still.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:57 PM
2

Kids make the right relationship godlike, ruin every other one. Never heard a million, airways $180k.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:52 PM
3

You got it. Vet vet vet.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:38 PM
3

Because a high value woman will not stay with you indefinitely without commitment, also assuming end goal is children. If your not going to pass on your genes just plate. Pretty pathetic existence though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:37 PM
1

Marriage is your bargaining chip for the right woman. Also you aren't mandated to cover the entire wedding or an expensive one. This is all part of partner vetting. The same way she doesn't want a compulsive gambler. The ring is all guys, but that's your dick shield and physical embodiment smv, it's legally yours anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:16 PM
0

Dude, life isn't fair. Your attitude is blue pill as fuck. then go on in detail as to how you are going to rearrange your personal life as to avoid said biased divorce courts. What bias? Are you still claiming there is a gender bias? Under what burden of proof? You just saying it over and over again doesn't make it true. IT'S BASED ON INCOME. Gender is irrelevant, what the fuck man? Don't marry low value women. Plate them and discard them. Use contraception, don't move in if you're in a common l…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 04:37 PM
0

However, it also is only half of the truth: Disagree from here on down. Once a woman no longer believes a man is willing to leave her, she begins to shit test. A guy who treats her like a princess will fail these shit tests. The wheel spins and at best, they become the stereotypical harpee\dope bluepill couple. At worst, she seeks validation and ultimately he is fed to the meat grinder. I could only see the dynamic you are talking about playing out him SMV 6 her 3 or 4. Where he's maybe insecure…
/r/TheRedPill03/11/15 03:18 PM
1

You're not wrong, I'm just pointing out I know these guys. Most of them are not marriage material. Most of them are eternal plate spinners, low smv, most have criminal records etc. I mean sure, there are guys that are just generally into cars that otherwise have their act together, but they're rare. There are much better places to meet MRPs. But car meets are a great place for someone to CC. They are masculine, but not much else.
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/15 01:54 PM
1

Do you even car? The vintage\rat rod crew is 50+. Nearly all resto guys are old. Anyone in dating\marriage age right now are doing rims + bolt ons. Even in scenes where its not explicitly "look how fast my car is" it's "look how fast my car is." There isn't a car meet in the world that doesn't have a 9 second car at it anymore. Since the advent of proper EFI tuning, everyone is E85 and a big turbo away from 10s and a built motor and trans away from 9s. Not that I would want that 10 second car. L…
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/15 01:20 PM
1

Not to mention the red flags here. Whether or not she was on board is irrelevant. It's like taking a trip to the liquor store with a guy who has a penchant for robbing stores. "How the fuck did this happen?"
/r/MarriedRedPill03/11/15 06:29 AM
1

Ask him to overcome it. Libido is rarely an issue after you're already rolling around in the hay. Ask him to get you kick started. Asking for emotional assistance is fine as long as its done in a feminine and defeated manner, instead of "I need help" harp.
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/15 06:20 AM
1

Word of warning as a car guy, a lot of us are douchbags. I would recommend another meeting area. Plenty of RP dudes, but a lot of them are going to be unsavory plate spinners. Best to try and overlap masculine meetings that harbor respect or discipline. At a car meetup we're all just waiting to hit the freeways to street race, go somewhere to get drunk and generally just cause trouble. In before stories from Miata\Mazda owners saying they're down to earth.
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/15 06:15 AM
1

Plenty of MRP atheists, but I will say that we find it discouraging to find female equivalents. If we ever melted down I would most certainly join a church and have to figure out a really compelling non-believer story =| Church is really the traditional meeting center, by all means.
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/15 06:14 AM
2

EVERY guy starts out that way. You're talking to a forum of 20 year olds. Almost no 20 year olds go "yeah I want kids and a marriage, yesterday!" You grow out of that, and then BAM, you're having kids or getting married. So don't read too far into it. Eventually they become MRP.
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/15 06:11 AM
2

It's absolutely relevant. No one is forcing you to get married. I would not, and most red pillars, should not marry a woman if she can not make a decent income. That is how you get run through the meat grinder. In fact, many modern women don't even want to get married or have kids. I personally would plate all women that either don't want kids or marriage, or would make significantly less. I mean that's what this sub is, strategy. You don't want to talk strategy, you just want to complain? WTF?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:38 AM
2

Must we what? As I stated, there is no gender bias. I am a man, I am red pill. I chose to marry a woman who has matched or bested me in income. I would not marry a woman who makes significantly less, because of the reasons you are mentioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:30 AM
0

No sigh. In alimony cases where the man is paying.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 05:25 AM
1

And what percent of the time does the man make more money? (hint : 100%)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 04:15 AM
1

Nearly everything is communal (and for good reason), and alimony is rarely an issue unless incomes are markedly divergent. Don't marry dumb broads and make decisions together? Let me be straight here, most women are not marriage material. You should be feeling this stuff out for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 01:16 AM
-3

Interesting, post was for USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 12:25 AM
0

Children are a different matter, divorce laws are a matter of formula, very little is up for debate. Children can be problematic, have to make sure she is the kind of woman that would put her children above herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 12:01 AM
3

BOSS
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 06:39 PM
2

It has nothing to do with gender, it's about whoever makes the most amount of money. That person is usually the one that gets in a bind if they're with someone who makes markedly less.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 06:37 PM
1

This actually may not be RP at all. I've witnessed a couple people with brain injuries "become different people." Just throwing that out there. SO's best friend stopped talking to her after an accident.
/r/TheRedPill02/11/15 06:25 PM
1

She's still admonishing him for not taking charge. Whether that would be him stating that they go dutch first or just paying it. That being said, this article seems to be fabricated to come up with some AlphaBux or something lol. Take charge, pay for me! Wat?
/r/TheRedPill02/11/15 06:20 PM
13

That post is either written by a troll or a retard. Either way, who cares. Any woman that uses the term "beta" isn't worth talking about.
/r/TheRedPill01/11/15 09:43 PM
22

1) Two and a half years is not long enough to get married. She's probably just coming out of the honeymoon phase. 2) You are lucky this is happening now, this means one of two things. She is either has terrible impulse control, which is a bad sign, or she's already cheated which is the worst sign. 3) There are is literally no one in this thread saying stay together. How to handle this? Your woman keeps her engagement ring in the box or whatever at night and before she showers. You treat this lik…
/r/askTRP01/11/15 01:10 PM
6

I was slightly joking. No you weren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 12:51 PM
1

I'm not mad, I'm just correct. With the support of a dictionary, you know the book written by professionals whose job is to arbitrate the definitions of words?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 06:36 PM
0

You better lawyer up, this sounds like she just turned keys on the nukes. Like this is almost a blue pill hack ;) "If you've lost the war, turn the key and bring up a past that no one could ignore without being "wrong" to turn the tables." But you have literally the only solution there. "This isn't something I can help you through, or even be a part of. I hope you can find the courage to keep our relationship working."
/r/MarriedRedPill31/10/15 06:29 PM
1

synonyms: plump, stout, overweight, large, chubby, portly, flabby, paunchy, potbellied, beer-bellied, meaty, of ample proportions, heavyset; More She is overweight and almost has a BMI that would signify obesity (BMI>30). She's just under that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 05:18 PM
1

Look up the literal definition of fat and report back.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 04:53 PM
1

Absolutely, but lots of those guys are just angry losers that over analyze. Long as you're AF and stay AF you're all good. Philosophically some are against LTR, but everyone agrees on being AF, not BB. I would say BP is mostly united and constant and RP is pretty sloppy. Someone claimed the other day that giving your SO oral was BP the other day, with support. So yeah, I can see why people avoid the connotation. Plenty of retards.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 04:51 PM
1

I think it's a connotation issue than. The arrangement of captain\first mate is absolutely incompatible with blue pill. I mean you don't need to do anything in RP, it's entirely how you want to approach your relationship. The only RP requirement is that you're wearing the pants (AF). Unless you're paying for everything, then you would be BB, and thus blue pill. But one could argue you're instead TradCon.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 04:30 PM
2

Then I have trouble accepting that you're blue pill. Are you sure you just don't like the connotation? I mean a woman admitting that is decidedly red pill. No blooper woman would ever admit that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 04:19 PM
5

Are you a woman? Or are you just deflecting? I'm asking if your SO would accept that statement, not what cutesy lines you can come up with.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 03:59 PM
6

Would your SO accept the statement "I wear the pants" from you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 03:35 PM
1

Sure, I like fat girls too, but don't lie to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 03:34 PM
9

And then submit to a woman. So alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 03:13 PM
7

rofl at "alpha blue pill"
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 01:25 PM
2

Schumer does not have a powerful body, she's just fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 12:52 PM
1

I just anecdotally haven't had that experience, probably because I like chubby girls. Not obese ones. When they're chubby its more of a self control issue, letting go. The really fat ones just don't care at all. So you might not be entirely wrong in your statement. I guess I'll say that "chubby girls don't usually smell." ;)
/r/TheRedPill30/10/15 07:27 PM
-1

That was kind of my point, that your statement was intellectually dishonest. Fat women don't smell bad, women with bad hygiene do. What you meant to say is "fat women usually have poor hygiene." In that regard, a fat woman with poor hygiene would be pretty atrocious.
/r/TheRedPill30/10/15 07:15 PM
2

Debatable, but hilarious that bloopers are creaming their pants over these girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:48 PM
1

Okay dude, whatever. http://www.mmatko.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Ronda-Rousey-no-makeup.jpg You realize when she's at a fight she has a dedicated celebrity makeup artist working on her right? She's a 3 or 4 honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:31 PM
-1

I was delighted to see my fiancee trending from 6.5-7 in this thread. She's working on getting to 8\8.5 by losing weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:58 PM
-2

Amy Schumer Gross. Her and Ronda Rhosey are disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:47 PM
2

I would just chalk that up to bad hygene.
/r/TheRedPill30/10/15 05:45 PM
4

This is pretty legit as an observation. This is really red pill at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 02:50 PM
1

RP-PRIDE
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 02:43 PM
2

They are in all countries. I also abstain, but have decided to start voting again, as I've seen it is a metric that companies are using to evaluate potential employees, clients etc. (In our country, it is public record if you've registered to vote) So I guess I have to go throw a vote away for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 02:35 PM
2

That kind of stuff is tongue in cheek or at most, a 14 year old kid that is clueless that those things are jokes. Man, I hope they never let YOU vote!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 02:28 PM
3

This is true, I got teased by one of my Asian vendors about being overweight. It didn't bother me because I'm not a blooper puss, but I was pretty astonished internally at the balls. Like could you imagine joking about a clients weight in America? It would be on the news.
/r/TheRedPill30/10/15 02:25 PM
-2

Pussy is better than our hand. What the fuck hand where you blessed with?
/r/TheRedPill30/10/15 02:17 PM
2

The result is that many Red Pillers believe that women shouldn't get to vote , or make their own decisions in life because clearly they cause so much harm in the world. I expect to be downvoted to oblivion for that comment despite it being blatantly true. Somehow I'm not sure if you actually know what red pill is. It's almost like you've heard about what it is, who heard about it, from someone who heard about it from someone who misrepresented it. It's like telephone, except that I assume you're…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 02:13 PM
1

Because they're failures at logic and therefore life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 01:06 AM
1

Incel using a shite strategy, eventually tries diddling kiddies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 12:44 AM
1

Move to Asia.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 12:21 AM
1

You mean PLATE till college ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 12:15 AM
1

I wish I had someone explain this to me when I was 12
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 12:15 AM
1

As I stated to you directly, you are misrepresenting my post. The post was not about fear, it was about respect. Namely, that a woman who claims she is in an equal relationship doesn't respect her partner. Nothing more, nothing less. I spent too much time getting on side tracks and should have condensed the post. There was a small diversion about the mechanics of fear, I will try to very very concisely cover this. The mechanics of fear are NOT related to physical prowess, but the fear of their p…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 11:05 PM
-1

What in the holy fucking fuck. Dude I've never seen something so unreadable in all my time on the internet.
/r/MarriedRedPill29/10/15 10:17 PM
3

I would say the bar has been lowered to be honest. A lot of the guys that pass for "upper 30%" now would be considered lower 40% not too long ago. In some ways, these women have deceived themselves for our benefit.
/r/TheRedPill29/10/15 06:19 PM
2

I doubt it's less than half to be honest. Most people get laid if they play the numbers game.
/r/TheRedPill29/10/15 06:09 PM
5

Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 03:11 PM
6

Whoops, we made pussy free. Now what?
/r/TheRedPill29/10/15 01:55 PM
14

No it's not
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 01:44 PM
2

LOLOLOLOLOLOL... LOLOLOLO LO LOLOLOLO LO L! Start reading up on blue pill, may be a better fit for you, future billy cuck!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 01:42 PM
1

Stupidest shit I ever read accepted as red pill. Weak as fuck.
/r/TheRedPill29/10/15 12:33 PM
2

Just saying it wasn't mentioned, it's part of mrp.
/r/MarriedRedPill29/10/15 04:16 AM
0

I think she makes an excellent observation though that I never see mentioned around here. That in a way, feminists have achieved the goals that guys wanted. There's ready access to casual sex now, all under the idea of being "empowered." Hard to complain about that. And to be honest, from my observations, low n-value women are NOT in demand. They are on the internet, but IRL they are "freaks." So there seems to be a market opportunity to be honest. Saw two, high income, zero partner women pair o…
/r/TheRedPill29/10/15 03:31 AM
4

I read it as a woman who is having trouble accepting blue pill and really doesn't know what to think. She's clearly smart, but just now approaching the wall and its forcing her to reevaluate her thoughts on the matter. Since she's not a fucking moron, she is now having to swallow the pill.
/r/TheRedPill29/10/15 03:19 AM
-7

lol, wtf, this isn't red pill, this is retarded. Your goal as a man is to be the best she has, in all capacities. Period. Don't give her a reason to CC\hamster you just because you can't manage boundaries or assert dominance discriminately.
/r/TheRedPill29/10/15 03:16 AM
-3

I would let McInnes jack hammer my butthole.
/r/TheRedPill29/10/15 03:13 AM
1

You should create framework that a hard no is really not entirely tolerated at the house. I mean there are days where its just not happening. But the default should be yes, not maybe. No should be a great exception to the rule.
/r/MarriedRedPill29/10/15 02:37 AM
1

I think we're good now. We both understand eachother and we're confident in our own setups. Wish you the best with your relationship really, no hard feelings. It's just two opposing parties is all. Not sure if you were the one that took it to heart, I think you were. I believe you run your relationship, and that concerns me as a red pill'r but hope it all works out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 01:58 AM
1

Then why must the power disparity be best manifested in the physical? This is best understood in the way that men interract with eachother. Consult other posts in this thread for the example. Also, if you know that all people are such dumb cunts that the easiest way to have them love you is to scare them into wanting to lose you, why bother associating with them? No reason to reply to this. nd finally, you realise your worldview boils down to 'control or be controlled'? Welcome to the real world…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 01:30 AM
1

That still doesn't explain why though. Male dominance in the bedroom is sexy and all, but it has little to do with actual leadership skills. It's not just the bedroom. Women are attracted to men that are more dominant than themselves, period. Sexual attraction IS the relationship, when it ends, you're friends. When it comes down to it, my husband and I normally toss a coin. Other blue couples come back to the situation at a better time and propose another alternative. Then again, it is very rare…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 01:26 AM
1

That is your own view, not mine. Mine is more simply put. "If a woman refuses to submit to a man, she does not respect him. If she says "they are equal," she is not honoring the power disparity, therefor, she does not respect him, because she believes him to be weaker than her, and she is tacitly in control of the relationship." When you read about a fear mechanic in the relationship, that was "the fear of one partner leaving for another." Not physical fear. There are some posts from a poster "I…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 01:15 AM
1

It's not "inspiring it." It's again, just a respect issue. Very clear here. If a man needs to flex his muscles to make a woman respect him, literally, he is being controlling & insecure. That is not red pill. This is about respect and power dynamics. You're reading it backwards. You Make them fear you > Earn respect. Me They fear you > Respect They do not fear you > No respect This is all a side point though. The OP is really about a woman submitting. If she doesn't, she doesn't respect her husb…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 01:00 AM
1

Do yourself a favor and read about becoming an English teacher in China. In all honesty you probably could find a girlfriend and at least get laid. That's not red pill, it's blue pill honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 12:58 AM
1

1) Yes 2) Yes 3) No 4) Yes 5) Yes\No (Not afraid, just recognizes it, the same way if you were friends with Brock Lesner, you know he could turn you into his fucktoy at will, credits to Joe Rogan for that joke) 6) No. Because physical dominance is aligned with sexual attraction, so it is congruent to the sexual attraction mechanics of the relationship. I made note in another comment if a woman is attracted to SUBMISSIVE MEN, then SHE leads. I did not previously clarify this because I didn't thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 12:43 AM
1

Why? ... that the male should be stronger and more dominant, it is aligned with sexual attraction. This also applies to women that are sexually aroused by subservient men. So I guess I was being rigid being strictly gender related. So if you get off on having a weak man, than this would mean YOU should be the captain, him the first mate. I should have absolutely specified this, my bad. Just not something many people care about. What about a relationship where leadership is interchangeable? This …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 12:30 AM
2

Would vastly increase an already good strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 11:56 PM
1

If you're American, move to Asia. You'll be SMV6.5 minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 11:52 PM
1

Red pill woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 11:47 PM
1

This is not "submissive." You're going to need way more than not caring where he goes. Does be not initiate? Are you sexually dominant? Does he say "you wear the pants?"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 11:46 PM
1

Have asked you to answer why a woman should submit to a man. Because it is the natural order of relationships that the male should be stronger and more dominant, it is aligned with sexual attraction. This also applies to women that are sexually aroused by subservient men. So I guess I was being rigid being strictly gender related. So if you get off on having a weak man, than this would mean YOU should be the captain, him the first mate. I should have absolutely specified this, my bad. Just not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 08:33 PM
1

I have created an argument, but me and you disagree on that front. I mean you're not going to convince me that you respect your husband. I'm sure you "have respect" for him, and that "you respect many things about him." But ultimately, your refusal to submit, from a red pill perspective, is a tacit admission that you don't respect him, that you are in control, and that your husband is beta. Now don't get me wrong, you're right. I don't know much about your relationship. I have assumed that you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 08:25 PM
2

Where does TBP say this? AWALT is the disproval of this statement. What you're talking about is a "unicorn." There are also bottom feeders that sleep with handicapped guys and what not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 08:22 PM
1

It's no different than when blue pill says "that's controlling" or "that's abuse" or whatever. It's not really an insult, that's your view, you're welcome to have it. We don't consider it controlling, we consider it proper relationship management. We don't consider it abuse, we consider it reality. You think you respect your husband, we don't. It's all relative.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 08:17 PM
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Which is a response to my post in redpill, did you read the thread in its entirety and follow the link? This thread is a response to my thread. In purple pill debate... Please read the thread this is in response to. RULE : "If she is unwilling to admit I am the leader of this relationship (and in the future, household and family) then she is unfit to be my wife and\or I am unfit to be her husband." This is directly related to my post, as I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 08:05 PM
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You're literally debating the merit of the OP as "offensive." The entire OP is "If a wife does not submit, she doesn't respect you, it's blue pill." Appeal all you want, that's the OP. You disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:56 PM
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It's not an insult, it's my opinion. It's supported by the "highly upvoted post" in RP. It's a MRP view. Not sure what to tell you there. You can appeal to the mods, but I'm not insulting your marriage. I'm telling you the RP view on your marriage, that you don't respect your husband and that its blue pill. Also I have two kids and we've been together over 10 years, so I don't mind you throwing jabs but make sure they're accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:50 PM
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Well this is red vs blue pill. We don't believe you respect your husband, sorry that is purple pill debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:43 PM
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Yeah no. You're dating someone that is in the 97th percentile for height, has abnormal alpha tendencies (most men are Beta, generally 60-80%) and is good in bed. You haven't mentioned who is paying the bills, so we can't say "beta bux." But you haven't answered that question. Also he avoided your question, he's using covert dominance right now. Ask him "if you had to say who is captain if only one person can legally be" and report back ;) Either he'll make you submit, or submit and the relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:39 PM
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Yes, because as I said, it is a common form of respect that men show to each other. That you believe you are not subject to. You don't respect your husband, and you clearly run the relationship. It's blue pill, that's fine. We just don't believe those relationships survive on average compared to red pill. That's our philosophies in the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:31 PM
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Myself? The hell does it have to do with me? I just like watching the blue pill carnage. Beta rage is in. By the way it wasn't "his" family.
/r/TheRedPill28/10/15 07:25 PM
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What about any of that is blue pill? Most of red pill tenants are about people pursuing goals in their life independent of the relationship to be the best partner they can be. My fiance makes six figures, I want her to be happy, I want our kids to live great lives. I want her to cum every time we're in bed. I respect her and I demand she respects me. Literally the only thing that makes that red pill vs blue pill, is she is the first mate, it's not up for debate. If "we're equal" then it's blue p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:23 PM
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If you talk to anyone in a manner that'll get a man hit, then it's disrespectful. It's not a gendered thing. I don't understand why you're trying to make it one or why you brought it the strength disparity to explain something that is not gendered. You're not wrong, but this is absolutely not practiced IRL. Women speak to men in ways men to not speak to men with startling frequency. You just don't notice it. Pay attention, and look for catty women talking to men. It's everywhere, and in I would …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:19 PM
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Not a fan of King\Queen because that no longer carries the same connotation as Captain\First Mate. I mean there are Monarchies run by a Queen.
/r/TheRedPill28/10/15 07:14 PM
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And that only applies to men, not women. I'm not going to respect my husband on the off chance that he might hit me. That's ridiculous. No... sigh It's not that you respect him OR ELSE he'll hit you. It's just that you talk to him in a manner that wouldn't get another man hit. That is respect. That is a showing of respect. But he's not being respected because of the "strength disparity". He's being respected because he is an anomaly. Again, you're thinking Strength = Respect. This was not the po…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:11 PM
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I think y'all have a very very different idea of what is controlling. Pretty much any MRP field report comes off to me as abusive, and controlling, though according to you, being controlling is insecurity, so we might be onto something there as a team. That's because you're recognizing that a lot of posters in RP are beta. And MRP has a more controlling tone to it because the dynamics are different. To be clear you understand that MRP is MARRIED RED PILL and RP is more like pickup, it's just sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:04 PM
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No I mean misandrist, you're implying that men should be respected because of strength as if that's their only respectable characteristic. It's not, it's cosmetic. I never said that. I said it's one thing men respect eachother on. Why would I hate men? I'm not an insecure loser. It's just a reality of being a man. When you start talking shit, you get hit. We learn that stuff in grade school. That's not respect. A beautiful woman walks down the street and gets harassed by men constantly. See, it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:48 PM
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Exactly, you were more alpha than he was. You had higher SMV. This entire thread is you basically talking about your ex being blue pill. The guy you're dating now is definitely more red pill. He's tall, good in bed and not controlling because he's comfortable in his skin. Your ex was I assume NOT tall, you mention sex was not as good, and controlling. Your new boyfriend by your own admission is "Aloof Alpha Chad." Your previous boyfriend is "Insecure\Controlling Beta." Ask him who the captain is…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:42 PM
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You were codependant with a blue piller. If he was controlling, that's blue pill. Controlling=insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:40 PM
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One where we are both our own independent people living successful, fulfilling lives, and experiencing great things together/supporting each other. Good sex, respect, and admiration that goes both ways. None of this is blue pill. also felt very controlled, which I did not like. Blue pill. You dated a guy that was blue pill, and you're arguably dating someone that is more red pill than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:38 PM
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2nd confirmation of a failure to transition from RP to MRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:37 PM
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Please ask him who is the captain of the relationship tomorrow and who is the first mate and report back ;) We all want to hear some Chad lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:35 PM
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2nd thread confirmation of Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:35 PM
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"Aloof alpha."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:34 PM
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I struggled to find compromise between us. He succeeded at RP\PUA & Failed at MRP. You said he was not a robot, so he gave up frame. In MRP, this is referred to as working up to "fuck me or fuck you." He failed. MRP=RP on hardmode ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:33 PM
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I am assume you mean misogynist. I have no hate or dislike of women, love them ;) I am guilty of being conservative though. Women have no reason to respect a man's strength just like men have no reason to respect a woman's beauty See here is where you're failing to recognize reality here though. Men DO respect a woman's beauty. They pay beautiful women more, they give them lesser charges if they are charged criminally, they are promoted faster etc etc Talking to beautiful women is intimidating e…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:27 PM
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That's not what I'm saying. You're saying "you shouldn't do this, because ultimately it's a lesson in masculinity, and there are other ways to go about that." You're not wrong, but what is a more practical and efficient way TO go about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:18 PM
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Red pill is not inherently anti marriage, in fact there is rpm.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 05:21 PM
1

As opposed to what? What is a practical alternative?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 05:16 PM
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Well yeah. Red pill basics specify she will placate beta and plate alphas, then run him through the grinder if she can get commitment from af.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 04:16 PM
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You've just explained pre and post wall female dating behaviour. It will however revert if they choose celibacy or they become more bitter than rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 04:13 PM
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Exactly. Remind her she's first mate and we'll see how red pill this guy is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 04:06 PM
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Branch swinging and orbiters
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 03:50 PM
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You didn't answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 03:04 PM
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In red pill theory, this guy is referred to as "Chad." Anyone with exceptional physical prowess. 6'4" is 97th percentile for height. He is "chubby." Not "fat."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 02:27 PM
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6'4" Real blue pill. I don't think you ever understand what red pill is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 01:56 PM
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I was really getting at a side point with her, so I'm sorry you had to waste your time with a reply =| What I was getting at is nearly all women select men who are stronger than them. I strongly suspect that she "isn't attracted to body type" and "dates men shorter or weaker than her" making all the replies unnecessary, because someone like that makes up a fraction (a couple percent) of the population. She's working against her own interests so there's nothing really to say there. It's like when…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 01:23 PM
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capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market Capitalism is a regulated\mixed market. There is intervention and persuasion from the government. But I'm not sure what the difference would be with a free market in terms of RP dynamics, something I haven't though too much about.
/r/TheRedPill28/10/15 01:09 PM
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"If you don't know who is in control of a relationship, you are not in control."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 01:06 PM
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You are the first mate is all, you're just not keen enough to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 12:58 PM
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I saw it as who am I to overrule her at every turn just because I am the guy and I need to protect my ego/masculinity? You're just looking at it wrong is all. Captain\First Mate. Not hitler\jews. There is VERY little need for intervention, just that when there is conflict that can't be resolved, you are the one who resolves it. This dynamic should be exercised in seconds or a minute or two a day.
/r/TheRedPill28/10/15 02:33 AM
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Society doesn't enforce who recognizes my authority as captain, I do. If she doesn't, she's thrown off the ship. It's her choice which ship she wants to be on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 10:28 PM
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That wasn't a complete answer. Please read again and circle back.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 07:09 PM
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Not without her answering if she's attracted to men weaker than her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 06:21 PM
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not dom/sub, captain/first mate
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 05:39 PM
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I can answer it once you answer that question. I can't until then because you threw a monkey wrench into things saying that body type isn't important. This is relevant. Are all your boyfriends stronger than you exclusively, or is it not a critical factor?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 05:14 PM
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Are you attracted to men that are stronger than you, or does it not matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 05:03 PM
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Captain, first mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 04:20 PM
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Not interested in continuing the debate because you're being cagey. Last reply, you've earned no others. One of two branches. 1) You're attracted to men that are physically stronger than you, likely taller. This is how almost all women select mates, it is part of evolutionary biology. This means that the person you are with is physically stronger than you, and you recognize this. To ignore this, is to disrespect his position as the stronger partner. His acceptance of this shows he is weak, and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:58 PM
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You can commit SMV=SMV with proper frame control. Just make sure she makes as much money as you (or more) and you dig deep into your balls to make sure you're a man. She must agree that you run the relationship, outright, not just implicitly. Read my last two threads. This is MRP. Spin plates till you find wife material.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:48 PM
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Not his bodytype. I'm just trying to make heads or tails from this comment. Can you elaborate what you mean by the comment that his body type doesn't matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:45 PM
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Are you or are you not attracted physically to men? Do you see a man and appreciate his body?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:42 PM
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No one runs our relationship. She is the captain, you're first mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:36 PM
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If you don't have a physical attraction to men, then there's no interest in really debating things. Your use cases are atypical. We're debating the other 95% of people give or take 2%.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:35 PM
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It is still "us vs the problem." It's captain & first mate, not hitler and a jew. When the captain walks away the first mate takes the wheel, when they come back they give the wheel back. The first mate decides they want pizza, they get pizza. Captain, first mate. Think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:34 PM
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It's all right, blue pill mental theatrics would drive anyone crazy. EYYY OHH!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:33 PM
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I agree, but also think its beta, just my view. But I understand its not everyone's end goal. Fucking without procreation is just mutual masturbation. And all this is about reproductive game theory. Timmy "child free plate spinno mofo" Smith, billion years in the making. Family lineage ends in 2040 because his ego is larger than his ability to see that a family is the end all be all of relationships. lol @ timmy "child free plate spinning mofo" Smith. Plate spinning should be your time passer wh…
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 03:27 PM
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His ability to control the relationship relative to hers. He has to find a woman with lower controlling ability. Well yes, this is implied. The man should be able to control the relationship. That is what I'm advocating, frame control. Masculinity. Still, if a man's dominance in the relationship does not depend from his ability to assert dominance physically, I'm wondering what it is based on. It used to be very simple: it was his God-given right. Later it was still based on her financial depend…
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 03:11 PM
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He won't. She either respects it, or she doesn't respect him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 02:35 PM
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The libido isn't the measurement, fights are. There are absolutely no married couples that don't fight. And your relationship isn't one until you're out of the honeymoon stage. That fact that you haven't explicitly acknowledged you're either in or out of the honeymoon stage is very telling. The relationship starts when the high is over, and it ends for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 02:34 PM
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Are you replying to me? Doesn't follow the replies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 02:32 PM
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Although I wouldn't define a partnership with a clear, strict power structure of say a dominant personae and a submissive personae as something for me. Then you're in relationships that are run by the women vis a vis.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 02:31 PM
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Stop saying equal, your girlfriend runs your relationship. You're just blind to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 02:27 PM
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You're ignoring the part about physical superiority. That is the key element to the debate here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 02:22 PM
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I know but it's like watching a high school \ college kid talking about how everything is perfect and nothing is going to change and you just look to your older friends a smirk. God speed kid, good speed. I put way too much into this only to realize at the very end that he wasn't even in a real relationship yet, still in the honeymoon phase and that he didn't even know it. That's relationship 101 stuff, forget what color pill you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 02:20 PM
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I kinda don't believe it either, but this seems like a heart felt real reply to be honest. So I've deduced its NRE right now. They "haven't had a fight." They're not even in a relationship yet. I actually feel kind of bad for this kid, because clearly this is one of his first relationships. Anyone that's been in the game knows this time ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 02:03 PM
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My primary two missions are my business success and my health. So when it comes to What's for dinner or What should we watch... by the time my day's over, my number of fucks given are basically nil to negative. You're over analyzing. This post does not mean I'm a tyrant. What's for dinner is not a decision you involve yourself in unless you already decided at 10am "we're making XYZ tonight." Then you made plans, and she should be on board with the captain. But this is clearly seems like weakness…
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 01:58 PM
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No, you're misinterpreting #1. Men do not physically assert control in a relationship. From a sexual standpoint yes, sex is violence in that regard. But you can't force someone to do what you want, that is sexual assault\rape. Ain't no two ways about that. What I'm doing is making an argument about the "hand wave." The fact that this is ignored, or unable to be brought up or mentioned. However, all women are AWARE of this. So by a woman mentioning she is in control, she is basically laughing you…
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 01:54 PM
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Didn't realize they were like that at TRP, kinda weak IMO!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 01:39 PM
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Again, it's not about that. It's about HER recognizing that. It's REITERATING the fact that if she doesn't accept that "he's in control" that she is in control. All relationships ARE based on fear in a way. Stop working out, start laying around, stop putting in the effort to make her cum, take take the easy way out. It's not based on fear right? She won't leave you right? If she doesn't accept that you're in control she doesn't respect you. The physical aspect is to reiterate that. She doesn't r…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 01:38 PM
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I totally skimmed, sorry. I thought you were agreeing with statsfodder.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 01:36 PM
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For me the ideal relationship is an equal one. We both trust and respect each other and make sure that the other has at least as much fun and freedom. There is no clear leader and no clear power structure. The roles can change depending on mood and day, but mostly we decide together. There are plenty of women that convince themselves of this. They often leave their partners when they eventually realize the men they are with are weak. These relationships run more like businesses than relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 01:30 PM
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There was no mention at all of use of physical violence in the relationship, implied or explicitly. It is directly related to the positioning of the concept of "we are equal." You have one mate who is physically superior, that could rape and beat at will. That impulse is of course NOT used to control. But that alone should be sufficient to demonstrate that one person is in control. The fact that it's not is a tacit admission the woman is actually in control. Because the reality is, that he is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 01:06 PM
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It is not implied in the relationship, and I mention outright in replies in the thread that "she can walk away at any time." What I'm actually getting at is the fact that the male is stronger is IGNORED. And that you are "not allowed" to bring this up. This is for good purpose. In the animal kingdom, you don't tell your partner you're in charge, you rape and beat them if they don't comply. That is dominance. Now CLEARLY, we have the ability to operate on a much more cordial level than that as hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 01:03 PM
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Why not debate me in the thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 12:56 PM
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I'm going to reply again too because after thinking, I get the impression you're a woman or bluepiller (which is fine) so I can explain this in less RP lingo, logically. We use Brad Pitt as a stand in for "the guy every woman wants." Whether or not you want Brad Pitt is irrelevant. Substitute the perfect man for him. What you're saying is "I can walk away at any time." We agree on this front totally. But the question is, "would you walk away from Brad Pitt if he told you he was in control of the…
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 12:51 PM
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Then she is not attracted to you enough, you don't have high enough smv or anything she values enough. What you're talking about is betabucks. Of course she'd leave, you're talking about a chump trying to play alpha. What you're making her decide is between her ego and you, and you need to need be worth it.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 12:37 PM
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Nothing, that's why this is the real test of whether or not you're in control. This is in the op.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 12:02 PM
1

I am serious and will debate you. I promise I hold no ill will from my bp days. I am not a troll if you honestly believe that.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 12:00 PM
1

I agree, I did mention in another post I "had more firepower" basically exactly what you're saying. I feel like those steps where wasted, and my issue was 100% frame.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 03:47 AM
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You do realize that capitalism =\ free market right? That is the purpose of capitalism.
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 03:46 AM
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What's with this idea I've seen in multiple posts on TRP that capitalism is somehow linked to BP/cuckolding? Message : Find "the one" by being a good worker\consumer, play friendly, buy a big house and a car, get married, have two children, live happily ever after. Reality : Find "a girl" using the pickup manual published by Disney (tm) that will get you a wall girl, ho, or gold digger, buy the big house and a car, get married, have two kids... GET RUN THROUGH THE MEAT GRINDER. Double reality : …
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 01:09 AM
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If you've been in the game long enough you could be the one that loves more and run on auto pilot, but you'd have to execute like a robot compared to just being aloof alpha. Like imagine the frame control Kfed had with Brittney Spears. I highly doubt he felt he had anywhere near the SMV value as her, was probably legit into her, but just had godlike frame. I doubt he "cared less."
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 12:41 AM
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Take in mind I'm in a 10+ year relationship, so I've got more firepower at my disposal in terms of weaving this in with stories, relationship in jokes etc to talk with. I'm going to split this into two replies. 1 ) New relationship : If I could do it all over, this would be a very early relationship issue to tackle. Before it gains any steam. I would state it outright first, and any rebuffs I would laugh off and play some games giving her power to let her fail a bit. With NRE and some good exper…
/r/TheRedPill27/10/15 12:13 AM
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It could be that the man is dominant and the couple doesn't want to appear "backwards" Definitely possible, but anecdotally I've never seen it. In those cases it's always covert control at best. Line walkers. There's plenty of face saving lines that don't involve placating. "We're one of those horrible conservative couples you hear about." "He beats me a lot." etc The best I've heard are from true conservative couples. "He is my rock" "I love him and will do anything to make him happy etc" Femin…
/r/TheRedPill26/10/15 11:06 PM
1

You can refuse to sign or you can sign and later revoke within a time. Depending on the state some states it's one year. I refused and did pt. Don't regret.
/r/TheRedPill26/10/15 07:02 PM
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He did the right thing, like a lion in the plains of Africa, he made things right.
/r/TheRedPill26/10/15 06:58 PM
2

I think wanting children is almost entirely age dependent. You literally can not explain it to a 20 year old slamming college broads, because you're in the MEMEMEME stage of life. That's why in another post here I say that Clooney is a loser. To me, he's like a college kid turned up to 11. I don't think it's admirable AT ALL. But in college I probably would have thought he was the shit. I think your plan is basically the best of both worlds, keep your eye out for the right one. Which is really t…
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 10:55 PM
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Lifted a bag of Taco Bell into my mouth, hadn't eaten there in a while. Was dissapointed they were out of captain crunch cum balls. As stated elsewhere in the post, that's gonna stop and I'm gonna start hitting the gym.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 10:11 PM
1

You're totally right but I just can't do it. I can change a lot in my game, but I don't want to change who I am. Honestly its worked in my favor (but also against). So I'll break it down some more because I think its really interesting. My thing, who I am, is I am me. And what I'm known for, is an absolute intolerance for bullshit or game playing. Now this is one part TRP, one part omega. And rejecting game does create a "tear" in reality of sorts. Since gameplaying is INNATE to human interracti…
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 08:53 PM
1

You're right, it is my weakness but also my self identity. Catch 22. I wreck anyone that lets out the smallest fart of BS. Friends, family, cashier, IDGAF. I am living cocky funny 24\7 365. I need to convert it into something productive which is why I love the GTFO, GYM, HOME & POUND routine I'm going to cultivate.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 08:14 PM
1

I would love to if it wasn't so enraging. Easier when I'm stoned, but getting stoned gives off a beta vibe. Doesn't make any sense, but whatever, it does seem that way. Getting drunk is fine though, don't understand.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 07:50 PM
1

In a way yes, but I wasn't "mad at her." I told her that her behavior was unacceptable which she tried to spin. But you're right, it was low effort as I mentioned. I should have just gave her the opportunity to see she was being a childish cunt and then just left. As mentioned elsewhere, this will be my new mantra. We got a problem? YES > Gym, buy lingerie, come home and pound. No > Continue on with the night. No more negotiating and getting sucked into the hamster wheel.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 06:33 PM
1

That's what he's saying. It's not salvageable, it's an enjoyable next.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 06:23 PM
2

Quit smoking... whew... things are getting serious here. One thing I hate is she's been telling me to quit smoking forever and its tarnished it in a way. Last time I had a blowjobs instead of smoke breaks thing, but she couldn't keep up. That was just outright cruel lol!
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 06:17 PM
1

Thanks, I was gonna say "cardio first" but did some quick research first. Weight training = HIIT in calories\long term metabolism. I've got some nice arms and legs so I'll work on those and shrink my gut ;) Plus I hate running since I have asthma and smoke. Actually really looking forward to this since I've always needed an excuse to get in shape. My new thing is going to be Fuuuccckkkkk offff gym Come home, shower and pound.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 06:01 PM
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You forget a woman will forgive anything her alpha does. Its a strong card to play, it will get her mad, but if you hold frame and react accordingly she'll back down having realized that shes being a cunt and you not only can but DID find an immediate replacement for her. She'll pick not being a cunt over being an alpha widow single mom. You're not wrong, but it jeopardizes the home. It is too much and I don't act in ways I would not tolerate, consistency is easy for me to defend. And her being …
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 05:31 PM
1

No, I'm out of shape honestly. So I do need to lift, probably start going to the gym when she is out of line. WIN FUCKING WIN SON. Getting a gym membership in town tonight. It's questionable I'll ever be "in shape" though because I love food so much, got her on that train too. We're both ruined, we can outcook anything but a Michelin restaurant. Literally Tom Colicchio's is the only place I've eaten at that is worth eating at. Got a house with two ovens, all that. Ooops.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 05:12 PM
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Sorry man, but this would never work in any functional relationship. This works at the lower level, but 10 years in if you bring a woman home from the bar you aren't fooling anyone. That goes both ways, if she brought a "friend" home after an argument we'd be split up the moment I hear this guy's name. That is just not how a family household works.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 05:00 PM
1

I know dread game gives good results. But if you go out and buy lingerie on the joint card, I personally don't think it's a great idea. You'll give her ground. She might think "oh he's cheating and not giving me attention, so it's okay if I cheat too". She knows if she cheats the family is over. She actually accidentally showed her cards last night. M : The problem is .... F : You can't keep talking to me this way. I'm done with this. M : So you want to split up then? F : Obviously not. M : Then…
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 04:54 PM
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I have taken away family time, guess I'll focus on that. Spend plenty of time with the kids so it won't be neglecting them or anything, I'll just be shifting the most important time to other things. You bring up a valuable point. I've brought it up to her before. As a man you sacrifice friends, hobbies and career prospects to raise a family. I don't agree with the narrative that a family is some sort of shitty trap and that kids suck. The only thing I ask for in return is unquestioned obedience …
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 04:47 PM
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I don't really feel like arguing with RP whanabees that see it as a threat to the fact that they want to buy masculinity. But if I get enough support here I will I guess. I feel like it would be met with hostility.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 04:19 PM
1

Fuck. Fuck this bitch. No fuck you. What was he doing to earn her attention? Was it intentional? Or is he just funny and good looking? but now she fucked up How? By not being attracted to you? Or did she disrespect you?
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 04:07 PM
1

Getting good advice where I fucked up. Trying to negotiate submission. Gonna have to man up and start gaming again rather than be lazy and demand it =|
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 04:00 PM
12

basics well under control. That's the thing, I wish it was just the basics, but we're 5%ers (with no desire to be 1%). We have it all man. We want or need for nothing but travel really. Advice from someone "living the dream." Do NOT buy into the idea that being "the man" is the ticket. As in, a hotshot lawyer with the cars etc. I see a lot of this here and frankly consider it to be blue pill in heart. That being said, you should still try to achieve, but don't think of it as your happiness\alpha…
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 03:55 PM
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Submission can't be negotiated. That's what I've been waiting to read. Thanks. Going to add some operant conditioning to this as well, but I have to figure out something to throw in the mix. Maybe just go to a local adult store and buy some lingerie on our joint card every time.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 03:48 PM
1

Don't. You deal with her behavior in-person. Good point. How was the sex? I can usually tell if a girl is into it. Was she? This is critically important as its a very good indicator of fidelity. In the OP she blew me, she had to leave to work. The shortest I can go is really about 30 minutes, which there was 10 available. It wasn't "duty head." Sex is fine and has been for 10+ years. We have it at above average frequency and I make sure she has orgasms as close to 1:1 as I can. So I have to ask.…
/r/TheRedPill24/10/15 03:36 PM
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Yeah, karmabullshitonium, by the op.
/r/TheRedPill10/10/15 04:59 PM
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Don't forget not to name names of the dna matched rapist on the loose! Nevermind there being no news coverage of anyone with that name in a bar rape trial. Just the homeless serial rapist, who was most certainly not "the co-worker." What about bail? I'm sure after a viscous rape with loads of evidence bail was offered and very affordable!
/r/TheRedPill10/10/15 04:50 PM
2

You're probably more on the money. Pending proof of a case (which of course you'd want to publicize this if he's free as stated and this happened as stated) the post is bullshit. But my discussion of social status economics and risk remains important and valid.
/r/TheRedPill10/10/15 04:18 PM
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It still fails the most basic examination of common sense. "Who would rape someone who knows them in the middle of a crowded bar?" That post is either the boldest rapist EVER in the history of rapists, the story is total b.s. Blue pill bait, or the victim is withholding the true story. Btw all of those injuries can be explained as rough sex, which fyi is why anal has such a high std transmission rate. Edit: on reflection, given the lack of publishing a name, story is bullshit bluepill bait. Risk…
/r/TheRedPill10/10/15 04:14 PM
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Your frame is weak, you can start there. Also you don't have to accept or reject either side, there are truths and fallacies on both sides of the isle here. You have to work on defining who you are, and where you want to be. If you want to be married red pill, go for it, go down that path and look for the right women and be the man for that woman. But don't sulk in your own bullshit and give up. That is blue pill.
/r/TheRedPill10/10/15 03:56 PM
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True story. So me and my other half are returning her modem to Comcast, she's in the fold, I let her see the truths in TRP because its just more interesting if you can get your woman on your side to see the BS at play. So the lifetime channel thing is already an inside joke to us. So we get there and in the waiting room lifetime is playing and there's a cute black girl behind the counter. And I posit to her "You see that guy there? She's going to kill him, I guar-an-tee it." As I give her the Me…
/r/TheRedPill10/10/15 03:50 PM
1

To be honest a better comparison would be TBP. 2x is beta as all fuck. Seriously, try reading it for like 10 minutes. EVERY, SINGLE, POST, is a sob story.
/r/TheRedPill18/07/15 09:51 PM
1

Its not an issue of morality. Its an issue of practicality. This is the disconnect I'm talking about. If you can't afford kids, don't have them. That's not a moral issue. If you have kids you can't afford its not morally right or wrong, it just makes you an asshole. To your kids and society in general.
/r/seduction23/08/11 06:35 PM
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Well no kidding. This is just there to help you make that decision. If you're just going to do it whenever you damn well feel like it, you probably shouldn't be having kids in the first place because you are reckless and contributing to an ongoing problem of having kids without any thought on whether or not you can afford to provide that child with a good life. Its probably the 2nd most important decision after WHO to have that child with. Your quip to someone providing a tool to help guide that…
/r/seduction22/08/11 06:40 PM
1

Added the two columns. Yellowing out after expected lifespan currently. If there is a decent measure of "energy" that can be used, could yellow that, and red life expectancy.
/r/seduction22/08/11 06:18 PM
1

Its just a tool. You can have kids at 14 if you want, but this just helps to digest things easier. I can add that column in, "how old you will be when your kid is 18, and how old they will be when they graduate college."
/r/seduction22/08/11 06:10 PM
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I would assume you're trying to reply to the person above you. This is just a tool to maximize your sexual attractiveness before mating. Its practical, that's about it. Adjust it to your needs.
/r/seduction22/08/11 06:09 PM
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I made a post about this. http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/gew3a/tactics_vs_strategy_advice_from_gary_kasparov/ Its very in depth and talks exactly what you are talking about. The "tactical masters" the cookie cutter "alphas" and real alpha males, the "strategists."
/r/seduction21/07/11 12:35 AM
2

Thank you kind sir ;) I found it very interesting. I mainly read it because I was interested to see how such a brilliant mind thought. "What could this book do for my business?" I thought. As I read the Tactics vs Strategy section I began to feel overwhelmingly happy at the choices I had made in life seeing many many parallels between the examples and concepts he gave, and that inspired me to write this post. I think they pop up on ebay and amazon for like $5 every once and a while.
/r/seduction31/03/11 04:07 AM
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If you're not fucking with me that number of 2753 approaches is a huge sign of the dedication you're willing to put into something. Besides of course how funny it is that you have the exact number ;) Anyways... Just a quick cold read here. The fact that you've said you're a slow learner and yet you made $390K last year tells me that you're having some issues with self esteem. I think you should take a step back and first realize that you are a very capable and dedicated person. It seems like you…
/r/seduction31/03/11 03:47 AM
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While I admire the transplant of chess into the logic here, there is a problem with that example. The icons (Pitt, Clinton etc) aren't end results from Tactical living. While day to day they might have referenced a human psychology book, or an acting book, their long game was that they knew they would have to live with passion and work hard. You look at someone like Clinton and say, what makes the man? His persona, his watch, his political iq? Those are all PARTS of what makes him, and together …
/r/seduction31/03/11 12:07 AM
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Thank you, guess I hadn't really thought about posting after this. Formula is simple. Be yourself, aspire for greatness, take chances and live life! You can't lose that way. Even if you "fail" to achieve greatness, you still lived twice the life most people live. Nothing worthwhile is ever easy, and nothing easy is ever worthwhile!
/r/seduction30/03/11 07:24 PM
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