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| 2 | Why doesn't male disposability reverse after middle age?shouldn't it reverse after middle age when women can no longer bear children but men can still impregnate? Yet Male disposability doesn't reverse at older ages but it does plausibly diminish: In a 2015 study, researchers performed four experiments and found that men were more likely than women to sacrifice the lives of three people of the same sex to save one person of the opposite sex. This difference between men and women was observed in a variety of contexts, although it lessened to the point… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 07/07/20 01:50 PM |
| 5 | I’ve noticed a new social trend- women are more forward and confident in physical/social confrontations than men, because its safer to be.Here's another example of what you talk about, with the person involved explicitly acknowledging it: The consequences of this attitude are illustrated in the testimony of reporter Liz Hayes, who was with her 60 Minutes (Australian version) team in Sweden covering the European immigration crisis when they were approached, asked what they were filming, and attacked. The cameraman and producer were the targets, and they received injuries. After the incident, she said that she felt that if she had b… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/07/20 08:42 PM |
| 3 | Conscription: A Gender-Based Injustice Around the WorldIn this post I make the point that conscription is a serious gender-based injustice. I give an overview of conscription policies around the world (including the few countries that conscript both men and women, which doesn't always mean applying the policy equally), look at some problematic cases of abuse and mistreatment in conscription, and discuss some of the possible objections to the idea that conscription is a gender-based injustice. There are lots of points to discuss, but here's one that … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/06/20 12:34 PM |
| 3 | Are Men Perceived as Having Less "Value" in Dating and Relationships? (Survey Results)That's a big compliment, I really appreciate it, particularly in light of the quality comments that I see from you on this subreddit. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/01/20 09:46 PM |
| 1 | Original survey data on perceptions of "relationship value" of average man and average womanFinding that people judge women as being "good enough for a relationship" to a greater extent than men is absolutely interesting to me, even without knowing exactly what traits (looks, charisma, etc.) they had in mind. If you don't find any value in that result then to each their own. I'm just doing these survey studies to gather hard data on questions or topics that interest me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/20 01:50 PM |
| 1 | Original survey data on perceptions of "relationship value" of average man and average womanI already provide a margin of error in the form of 95% confidence intervals for the main results though. The first main question was whether dating is seen as being more about men proving themselves than about women proving themselves. 60% of respondents (CI: 52–69%) selected men and 7% (CI: 0–16%) selected women. That's a very large difference and evidently detectable with this sample size. Those confidence intervals aren't even close to each other. (Technically the proper way to make this comp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/20 01:46 PM |
| 3 | Are Men Perceived as Having Less "Value" in Dating and Relationships? (Survey Results)Also, how did he collect the sample of 120 people? It makes a difference if he posted it on forums like this or if he just asked random people on the street, for example. An online research platform for participant recruitment that's commonly used in academia. (Nothing like a forum that would give exceptionally biased samples, except that the sample skewed younger than the population.) | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 13/01/20 01:53 AM |
| 1 | Original survey data on perceptions of "relationship value" of average man and average womanCould you explain how are there 3 different standard deviations ? Sure! For the questions on who's "good enough" for a relationship, each respondent contributed two numbers: a rating for women, and a rating for men. We can also calculate a third number for each person, which is the difference between their two ratings, like here: Rating for women Rating for men Difference Respondent 1 6 5 1 Respondent 2 10 9 1 Respondent 3 7 7 0 There are three different standard deviations because we can calcul… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/20 10:49 PM |
| 1 | Original survey data on perceptions of "relationship value" of average man and average womanWhat "good enough for a relationship" means was left up to the respondent. I intentionally left it vague because people differ in what they think matters for a relationship (and also in what they think matters for men compared to women), and I didn't want to bias them towards any particular area like looks, status, charisma, etc. What wording would you have preferred? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/20 08:09 PM |
| 3 | Original survey data on perceptions of "relationship value" of average man and average womanFirst problem I have with this study is that n=120 The sample size is accounted for in the confidence intervals. Looking at this line: In this sample, women were rated 1.1 points higher in value; with 95% confidence, the true gap is probably between 0.7 and 1.4 points. That sample size was enough for us to be able to say that the real number is probably between 0.7 and 1.4 points. The right question isn't so much "is a sample size of 120 enough?", but rather "is this estimate of between 0.7 and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/20 08:00 PM |
| 1 | Original survey data on perceptions of "relationship value" of average man and average woman60 men and women isnt anyhwere near close to be any meaningfull extrapolation to the populace. What exactly are you basing this on? I applied standard methods of inferential statistics (see the explanation at the end) to the sample data to see what kind of generalizations could be made. Those are presented in the results as 95% confidence intervals. If you'd like to discuss or criticize any choice I made (e.g., "I thought rating scales were ordinal, how can you use parametric methods like the t-… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/20 06:29 PM |
| 5 | Original survey data on perceptions of "relationship value" of average man and average womanThat's simple to say, but not so simple to do. It's easy to find statistics on the average person's height or income to present in a profile, but what the average person looks like is much harder. Unless you're suggesting gathering a bunch of faces and using an algorithm to average them out (which has its own problems), this would require looking through pictures and identifying "yes, that person looks like an average man, let's include him", which is fraught with difficulty and bias. Also, plen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/20 06:13 PM |
| 3 | Any recent sources for the gender sentencing disparity?Here are eight studies on justice system discrimination against men. Two of them are from 2015, although obviously using data from before 2015. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 20/10/19 12:14 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: Why are women's exercise clothes such more revealing than men's?Men have no reason to want to reveal themselves, so their attire for almost everything is mostly functional for the task they want to do. women's attire is mostly for social interaction. I actually think that most men would be happy to wear more revealing clothing if they received positive attention on their bodies from women for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/19 11:18 PM |
| 2 | Seeing Women’s Safety as Sacred Is Not New or ProgressiveI do think that gender is different from race. (Race is more one-sided, at least if we only consider white/black. There are lots of areas where white people are doing better than black people but relatively few areas where black people are better off. Gender isn't the same; there are many areas where men are better off but also many where men are worse off.) But I don't see how they are "by definition not comparable", or specifically why you think they aren't comparable for the purposes of /u/Ki… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/09/19 10:46 PM |
| 2 | Seeing Women’s Safety as Sacred Is Not New or ProgressiveYou keep framing this as being about whether they're "the same", but that's not really the question, is it? The question is whether they're comparable for the purposes of /u/Kingreaper's point, and I haven't yet seen an argument for why they aren't. Or do you think that all comparisons of race and gender are automatically invalid, on account of race and gender not being the same thing? If I had a friend who was hiring for a position, they discriminated against a racial minority, and I said (know… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/09/19 09:48 PM |
| 8 | Seeing Women’s Safety as Sacred Is Not New or ProgressiveIt's not the same logic, because race and gender are not the same thing. Pretending they are the same thing is your fallacy. On two occasions on this thread you've said "that's not the same thing" in response to comparisons other people have made (race and gender here, and joining a gang compared to dating gang members in another part of the thread). However, for a productive discussion with the possibility of convincing anyone, you have to actually explain why you think those things cannot be c… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/09/19 11:40 AM |
| 8 | Seeing Women’s Safety as Sacred Is Not New or ProgressiveIt can absolutely line up with gender stereotypes, yes, but that doesn't make it wrong. It doesn't make it automatically wrong, but it should reasonably provoke skepticism (just like with gender stereotypes that are more negative or harmful to women). That's why I asked you whether it worried or bothered you. This is comparing two things that are not the same. Being a gang member and thus partaking in that particular culture of violence is not the same as dating someone who commits violence agai… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 01/09/19 01:17 AM |
| 19 | Seeing Women’s Safety as Sacred Is Not New or ProgressiveIt seems to me that your suggestion here (male victims being more to blame because their victimization was more predictable, female victims being more innocent and worthy of sympathy—feel free to correct me if you think I'm misunderstanding) lines up with traditional gender stereotypes of male agency and female helplessness. Do you see this, and if so, does it bother or worry you? On the male side we could talk about many victims having made the bad decision to join gangs. But it seems just as v… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/08/19 10:39 PM |
| 1 | What do most women fail to understand about men?Wisdom passed to my mother from her mother: If you can’t tell whether he’s interested in you, he’s probably not. A man who is truly interested will not leave you questioning. I disagree with this. There are plenty of men out there, especially younger men, who have real genuine interest in a woman they know but aren't able to express it due to being shy, awkward, inexperienced, or uncertain about whether she's interested. You can probably think of women who are like that, and I don't think that m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/19 04:35 PM |
| 6 | How come most of the gender-related research on homelessness focuses on women?No one cares when a man dies. Plenty of people care when men die—they just usually care less than when women die. Male disposability is a real phenomenon and exaggerating it gives people who would deny it a free and easy way to say "you're wrong". | /r/MensRights | 20/04/19 03:22 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Men aren't out of touch with their emotions; men are simply more emotionally matureI don't know why you and /u/NiceGuyNumber4 are writing as if there's only one answer. There are various plausible reasons in the literature for why men's suicide attempts more likely end up in death; a greater desire to die and less concern for appearance are both among them. Researchers have speculated about other reasons men may have for employing highly lethal means.[19,25] These explanations suggest that when compared with suicidal women, men who reach the point of suicidal action are: More… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/19 10:32 PM |
| 7 | CMV: The reason women yell and complain so much is because it works for themI think you're a pretty reasonable person and so it surprised me, which is why I specifically didn't say anything about your intentions. I described how it comes across and the effect I think it has. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 09:16 PM |
| 6 | CMV: The reason women yell and complain so much is because it works for them"Persecution" is a really strong word that I don't think I'd apply to any group in the Western world, and I can't say I've ever heard someone use it seriously in this context. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 08:54 PM |
| 14 | CMV: The reason women yell and complain so much is because it works for themthat might be changing (just see how much more common it is to see stuff about white males being persecuted for example). I still don't think that men's issues, especially (but not only) when white men are involved, are taken remotely seriously. The idea of men as victims or more broadly people who need or deserve help is still widely considered pretty alien. For example, your use of the term "persecuted" comes across as exaggeration with the effect of mockery—and I'd bet you're more willing tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/11/18 08:11 PM |
| 1 | Why Don't Men Value Success In Women?Do you want to make the standards for what counts as an ambitious woman lower and easier to achieve than what's needed to be considered an ambitious man? If yes, why? I don't care if a man isn't concerned with a potential partner not being ambitious, but it would be weird if he rationalized an unambitious partner as really being ambitious by saying that women don't need to do as much to be considered ambitious. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/18 04:34 PM |
| 1 | Why Don't Men Value Success In Women?Those are often the standards that men are held to for being ambitious, although I agree that it's an entirely valid decision to not do those things for reasons of life satisfaction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/11/18 02:56 PM |
| 11 | Q4Men: Where do men’s expectations about dating and sex come from?The classic Nice Guy is busting his ass trying to work the world's worst dating strategy. Perhaps the classic Nice Guy is spending a lot of time on his strategy, but it's also probably the strategy that's the easiest or most natural for him given his personality. For some, 10 hours of comforting a woman or helping her with something is a lot easier than 10 seconds of asking her out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/11/18 03:12 PM |
| 11 | Q4Women: Are women the “gatekeepers” of sex? If so, why?Women don’t really have a lower sex drive. Ask my vibrator about that! If you want to use masturbation as a measure of how men's and women's sex drives compare, it would be much better to look at actual data comparing men's and women's masturbation habits, rather than a personal anecdote. Especially because I'm sure that such data exists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/11/18 04:47 PM |
| 4 | Research into hypergamy doesn’t replicate. Original researcher declares his own theory is probably not true and that the studies based on his theory are now garbage.The definition of hypergamy isn’t in dispute The definition always seemed to be all over the place. Many people use it to refer to marrying up in terms of money or social status; others use it to refer to having high standards in general and only wanting people who are more attractive than you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/18 07:09 PM |
| 1 | Amount of hypergamous women: a question of perspective?If they want to have sex with a woman but wouldn't date that woman, can we really say they're not attracted to her? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 03:21 PM |
| 1 | Amount of hypergamous women: a question of perspective?ask on askreddit if any of the blokes would date a 5/10 Why ask them about who they'd date, rather than who they'd have sex with, or even just who they're attracted to, which is what we're talking about? most would say no, but most people (and most blokes) are 5/10s Most people do not actually use the 1-10 scale in a way that actually has 5 as average (similar to how most people don't rate movies on a 1-10 scale with 5 as average). Most people put average at 6 or 7. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 02:15 PM |
| 2 | Amount of hypergamous women: a question of perspective?so fat lazy bellends are never attracted to the fit sexy chick at the video game conference? come off it mate this is bloody ridiculous /u/LewisCross didn't say men aren't attracted to women who are more attractive. He said they aren't only attracted to them. Although he appears to be using a different definition of hypergamy (when a person is only attracted to people who are more attractive than they are) than /u/Mr_Smoogs's definition (when a person focuses on finding a partner who has higher … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/10/18 02:10 PM |
| 16 | CMV: A Lot To Possibly Even Most Of Women's Complaint about Male Attention Is Really Just Another Form Of Humble BraggingIt sounds implausible to me to suggest that a woman's attractiveness doesn't have a large impact on how often she gets hit on (although I do think there are a bunch of other factors, including the places and sub-cultures she spends time in). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/18 05:12 PM |
| 2 | q4liberal/leftist/bp(?) women here: Do you believe Supreme Court justices can wake up one day and just overturn cases?I remember seeing Trump say in the debates that it would happen ("if we put another 2 or 3 justices on, that will happen [it will go back to the states to decide], that will happen automatically in my opinion because I am putting pro-life justices on the court", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq6Taf5fIys). This doesn't mean it actually works like that, but I can see where the worry comes from. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/18 02:49 PM |
| 2 | What about the other Purple Pill?And more broadly, of medical advertising to consumers? The best thing about American TV. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/18 02:25 AM |
| 2 | Lying to a woman is completely justifiedI don't see how wearing make-up is lying, unless you tell people you're not wearing make-up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/18 11:57 AM |
| 1 | CMV: All you BP SJW women would throw up Nazi salutes if you were born in 1920s GermanyThis doesn't make sense to me. As a Canadian I don't need a visa to enter the U.S., but I do need a visa to work in the U.S. Are you saying that this is wrong, and I do not in fact need a visa to legally work in the U.S.? "Undocumented" always sounded like a strange euphemism to me, as if (rather than lacking legal status to live or work there) someone just forgot to give them documents. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/10/18 07:55 PM |
| 6 | Q4Women: What are some examples of bad dating advice given to women?My favorite piece thing men say is "too much make up is a turn off" or "I like natural women" etc. etc. nine out of ten times, this is just a complete trap and has an underlying assumption. Why's that a trap? It seems to be better explained by the fact that most men have very little knowledge of make-up, and so their claims about what kind of make-up they like should be taken with a grain of salt. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/09/18 03:20 PM |
| 1 | Because it’s 2015 is a resource that explores gender and men’s issues from a perspective that is egalitarian and non-feminist (or feminism-critical).Why? That'll just give you a version of the front page that doesn't get updated. | /r/MensRights | 10/09/18 10:19 PM |
| 2 | Women are tax-negative"They all backed her"? Who all? All women? | /r/MensRights | 09/09/18 09:16 PM |
| 10 | Women are tax-negativeAssuming such "retaliation" is justified, why attack women rather than feminists? Also, do you realize what feminists say about MRAs? How they're awful women-haters? I don't think they're right on that, but why in the world would we try to make them right on that? | /r/MensRights | 09/09/18 09:11 PM |
| 6 | Women are tax-negativeSo no, women are not collectively doing this? | /r/MensRights | 09/09/18 09:09 PM |
| 7 | Women are tax-negativeWhy, this shows they're leeching off us while calling us subhuman shit that deserve to die. Which women are calling men "subhuman shit that deserves to die"? Are women collectively doing this? | /r/MensRights | 09/09/18 08:59 PM |
| 14 | Women are tax-negativeAnother example how woman like to spend money but don’t like to pay for shit... Since when was men's rights about taking jabs at women? | /r/MensRights | 09/09/18 08:58 PM |
| 4 | How crucial is it to be raised in a major city, where things are "happening" and there are more people to interact with and approach and so on?Greater social isolation in larger cities is a valid point but I wouldn't classify it was quality vs. quantity because I don't think that people in larger cities are lower in quality than people in smaller cities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/18 01:42 PM |
| 4 | How crucial is it to be raised in a major city, where things are "happening" and there are more people to interact with and approach and so on?I see the opposite. The more populated the more distant people seem to be. So it seems like the ideal would be to find a balance between a place that has enough people to have options (and to not have to run into the same people all the time if you don't want to), but isn't too large that it's impersonal and people are isolated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/18 01:17 PM |
| 4 | How crucial is it to be raised in a major city, where things are "happening" and there are more people to interact with and approach and so on?That sounds like a very stupid, numerical evaluation of a qualitative idea of friends and relationships. I've never had a lottery friend though. How many people do you really "click" with? Having more people around to consider for friendship or romance means you're more likely to find someone you really work well with (although there are diminishing returns, and a city of 5 million probably isn't any different than a city of 1 million here, unless people have niche hobbies and desires). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/18 12:59 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Men Can't LoveHow is "We don’t think that all men are inherently abusive or dangerous. Plenty of men aren’t. But they have the potential for violence or harm" the same as "Women are inherently manipulative, cheating whores due to their inferior female nature"? Most RPers (with their idea of AWALT) don't even believe that all women are going to cheat on you (or do any of the other big things like divorce you, deny access to your kids, use child support or alimony against you), just that they have the potential… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/08/18 01:27 PM |
| 28 | Question for RP: do you think that 90% of people know that looks matter when trying to date?I don't think I've seen a woman say "personality is all that matters", but certainly from my experience most women trying to explain what they want in a man will emphasize personality and downplay looks. I think it's to not appear shallow. I'm not surprised at all that a man would get the impression that looks aren't that important to women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/18 01:21 PM |
| 7 | CMV: if a woman has to pursue a man, he doesn’t truly love herWhy would he assume that it's his responsibility to carry out most of the logistics from now on? I guess the woman could explicitly tell him, which is rather unlikely to happen, but even if she does then he could be weirded out that she expects that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/18 01:16 PM |
| 3 | CMV: if a woman has to pursue a man, he doesn’t truly love herIf you mean take on all/most of the responsibility then I disagree. A significant percentage of men, especially at younger ages, won't do that. If you don't want to date them then that's fine, but they definitely exist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/18 01:25 AM |
| 5 | CMV: if a woman has to pursue a man, he doesn’t truly love herWhat exactly do you mean by him pursuing back? Are you expecting him to put a roughly comparable amount of effort into developing the relationship, or for him to take responsibility for most of developing the relationship? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/18 01:21 AM |
| 18 | CMV: if a woman has to pursue a man, he doesn’t truly love herI know you're probably joking but I want to point out the absurdity in making a claim about men, hearing that it doesn't apply to all or even most men, and then defining those men as not really being men just so the original claim can hold. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/18 01:18 AM |
| 28 | CMV: if a woman has to pursue a man, he doesn’t truly love herI've heard things like this before ("if a man doesn't make the first move or pursue then he's not really interested") but I don't think it makes sense, at least not for men as a whole. It really only makes sense for particularly aggressive or forward men who find it very easy to make moves and hit on women. Yeah, for them, if they don't make the first move and pursue then they probably aren't really interested. (Even if they do all of this stuff you don't necessarily know that they're really int… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/18 01:16 AM |
| 1 | Attitudes on Profiling Men vs. Profiling Minorities (Survey Results)Good suggestion, I'll keep that in mind for possible inclusion on a later survey. | /r/MensRights | 05/08/18 11:45 PM |
| 3 | What's a life lesson you've acquired from reading this sub?Wasn't ever thinking of leaving PPD, just haven't had a lot of time recently. I'm impressed anyone noticed! (In addition to some things in real life, I've been caught up working on a big post for becauseits2015.wordpress.com that should go live this weekend.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/18 08:26 PM |
| 4 | What's a life lesson you've acquired from reading this sub?Because our society doesn't coerce women into having abortions. Not paying for someone else's choice is not coercion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/18 04:47 PM |
| 1 | Men’s Issues Reading List (Book Recommendations)Do you think it's relevant to the feminism of today, 100 years later? Feminism (theory, issues, rhetoric, etc.) has changed a lot in 100 years. If you do think it's still applicable, I'll take a look. | /r/MensRights | 12/06/18 08:36 PM |
| 1 | Men’s Issues Reading List (Book Recommendations)What do you mean? | /r/MensRights | 12/06/18 08:21 PM |
| 3 | Men’s Issues Reading List (Book Recommendations)On my reading list! I've read parts of The Myth of Male Power before and it's a treasure trove of insightful quotes. | /r/MensRights | 10/06/18 10:56 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Most female dating advice for men is useless because women experience lust in the moment, in specific scenarios.Most women are not obfuscating how our attraction is triggered. We regularly imply it’s a culmination of things, most notably — presence/how he relates to us , looks, status. I would be legitimately surprised to see a woman (outside of the "pillsphere") point to those three things as her answer to "what things do you find most attractive in a man?". A focus on looks and status, in particular, would surprise me. (The standard answer that I see usually mentions one or more of: kindness, sense of h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/18 08:12 PM |
| 1 | Male Hypergamy?They say hypergamy is limited to class until you mention X amount of women don’t date up in terms of class [...] What someone wants isn't always what they end up getting though. RP might say that most men would like to have a wife with some other women on the side (men being polygynous is their counterpart to women being hypergamous), even if most men don't actually have this situation. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/18 08:48 PM |
| 1 | Male Hypergamy?Men may be less prone to initiate divorce but their 54% more likely to cheat on their spouse than women are. (20% of married men cheat vs 13% of women) https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america Just a note, but that statistic isn't about how likely men and women are to cheat, it's about how likely they are to have cheated at some point in their lives. This is relevant because most of the gender difference is people who are over 50, with a relatively small… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/18 08:44 PM |
| 8 | The fact that female groupies exist and male groupies don'tMen don't become groupies based on financial and social status as a man defines status, they become groupies for women based on the status in the competition for beauty amongst other women. I'm not sure why you're wording this in terms of status. I'd strongly say that men are primarily interested in the beauty itself, not whatever status that beauty gives her (although that might be a secondary factor). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/18 04:19 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Human society isn't really gynocentricAtlas is a little more than just "leaning right", lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/18 03:13 PM |
| 3 | Sex/companion bots for both sexes would actually improve relations between men and women, and improve society in general.Agreed 100%. At best, sex bots are a fancy masturbation tool that many men will see as perhaps better than nothing, but I have a hard time seeing men choosing them over real relationships with a conscious being who actually chooses and desires them. Unless maybe if these bots get to a point where (like in Westworld) they're completely indistinguishable from humans physically and mentally and we've basically created real consciousness (or the appearance of it) in a machine. I don't know exactly w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/18 09:46 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Human society isn't really gynocentricRegarding sexuality, I think that people who claim that we're biased against women here are basically only considering the slut double standard. It's a valid complaint (if we're talking about shaming and bullying—I don't think it's a problem if people don't want to date promiscuous people) but there are also double standards regarding sexuality where men get the short end of the stick (for the same actions they're much more likely to be seen as creepy, predatory, objectifying, etc., and we could… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/18 09:37 PM |
| 1 | How important is having a good bod when it comes to picking up women?I definitely did not start out with a muscular or athletic build. I mentioned I was pretty skinny, which if you're using somatotypes would be ectomorphic rather than mesomorphic. I see no reason why the vast majority of skinny guys, if they trained reasonably competently at the gym for 2 years and gained 25-35 pounds of bodyweight (depending on their height and initial bodyweight), wouldn't look noticeably different in clothes. Would it be a game changer in terms of their success with women? May… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/18 08:18 PM |
| 3 | Toronto Man pledges allegiance to Incel rebellion and kills 10 people in terrorist attackThey do now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/18 12:50 PM |
| 8 | Toronto Man pledges allegiance to Incel rebellion and kills 10 people in terrorist attackContinuous poor portrayal of men in media (advertising, TV shows, movies) I recently read a book called Media and Male Identity by Jim Macnamara, which indeed found that commentary and representation of men in the media is overwhelmingly negative. Summary: Chapter 6 is the meat of the book. It presents Macnamara’s PhD research on portrayals of men and male identity in Australian media, focusing on non-fiction (such as news, lifestyle segments, and opinion columns) in TV, newspapers, and magazine… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/18 12:38 PM |
| 8 | CMV: Human society isn't really gynocentricWhat I do disagree on is the idea that they prove society is "gynocentric", rather than being a few ways in which society is biased towards women. I think I have enough evidence there (including everything in my link) to show that society is biased towards women when it comes to safety and well-being, although this doesn't mean that there aren't biases in other areas that favour men over women (competency and sexuality are two areas feminists often point to, although I personally have my disagre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/18 12:58 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Human society isn't really gynocentricLol so now emotional advertising only works on women and "retarded southerners." It's everywhere! Ford: "built for life in Canada" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/18 06:52 PM |
| 63 | CMV: Human society isn't really gynocentricI don't know much about claims that welfare is gendered, but here I have a write-up with all sorts of examples of our society's tendency to have less concern for the safety and well-being of men than of women. Some of the examples: Here in Canada, Aboriginal men are 2.5 times more likely to be murdered than their female counterparts (and 4-5 times more likely to go missing), but despite this there's been a massive amount of concern over the issue of "missing and murdered Aboriginal women". It wa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/18 04:45 PM |
| 1 | How important is having a good bod when it comes to picking up women?Unless you're topless, the difference between two men with similar bone structure, but one being "not fat" while the other "shredded" will be negligible. Clothing is a game changer. When I was younger I was pretty skinny, but I've been lifting weights for many years. Certainly the result isn't comparable to the result I'd get if I had top level genetics for this stuff, but you can definitely tell the difference through clothes (unless I'm wearing a winter coat or something). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/18 11:02 PM |
| 2 | "casual sex" IS the traditional angloscandinavian "dating scene" since around Prohibition and all the men on Reddit who are hysterical about it are foreignI'm not a philosopher but it's my understanding that the Frankfurt School was openly rooted in Marxism, so there's no need for a conspiracy theory. Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy: Critical Theory has a narrow and a broad meaning in philosophy and in the history of the social sciences. “Critical Theory” in the narrow sense designates several generations of German philosophers and social theorists in the Western European Marxist tradition known as the Frankfurt School. [https://plato.stanford… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/18 05:46 PM |
| 4 | "casual sex" IS the traditional angloscandinavian "dating scene" since around Prohibition and all the men on Reddit who are hysterical about it are foreignYou mean like that literal Nazi that murdered a woman with a car over a statue of a traitor? Cultural Marxism, as I've always understood it, means the application of Marxism's oppressor/oppressed class dichotomy to demographic or cultural groups, i.e., instead of "the bourgeoisie collectively has power and uses that power to oppress and dominate the proletariat" (Marxism), it's "men (or whites, or straights, etc.) collectively have power and use that power to oppress and dominate women (or minor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/18 05:17 PM |
| 1 | Women don't like jerks.I'd be favorable to that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/18 03:50 PM |
| 6 | Being a male is hard in the Air Forcefemale soldiers suck I see exactly zero other posts in your account history aside from this post. That's odd, and it makes me wonder if you're a troll. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/18 03:35 PM |
| 1 | Women don't like jerks.I guess my point is that coping is usually something that you do with problems that you face. If I'm facing a problem, it seems kind of strange to accuse other people of coping with the problem. If someone's coping it's much more likely to be me because I'm the one most affected by it. There's a much better case to be made that a lot of the incell/blackpill ideology is their way of coping with their lack of success (although I think it's more productive to discuss the merits of the ideas rather … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/18 03:14 PM |
| 1 | Women don't like jerks.Assuming that only D&D playing nerds are the ones who can't get laid is cope "Is cope"? What are they coping with? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/18 02:55 PM |
| 5 | Being a male is hard in the Air ForceIt's true that women are generally physically weaker, and many roles in the military are really dependent on physical strength. But (and I know it wasn't you who did it), this isn't a particularly relevant fact to randomly throw out on a discussion of biased sexual assault prevention programs in the military, and the fact that it was worded as "female soldiers suck" suggests that it wasn't meant as a simple statement of fact but rather it was meant with some antipathy towards women. | /r/MensRights | 25/04/18 02:54 PM |
| 3 | Women don't like jerks.Cope. What exactly is /u/NalkaNalka coping with? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/18 02:50 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: personally, how does it feel to be the object of desire of men, the reason why men kill, fight, start wars, build empires, aspire to become movie stars, powerful CEO's, etc, and overall why many men completely lose their shit when they can't get you?A trophy has no intrinsic value, so we know that a person sought it purely as a status symbol (and a personal sense of accomplishment). But there are other competitions where the prize is desirable itself, even if it also has status associated with it. For example, most people wouldn't be as excited to win Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? if it didn't come with any money. I strongly believe that men primarily desire women for their own sake, rather than primarily to impress other men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/18 02:48 PM |
| 7 | Playboy models and TrumpIs the measure of a man's "league" simply the quality of women he is able to sleep with? Yeah, that's the whole point of a league. It's not based on some theoretical calculation of what kind of person you "should" be able to get given your traits, it's what kind of person you can actually get. If I think I "should" be able to land models but in practice I can't, they're not in my league in any meaningful sense. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/18 02:09 PM |
| 7 | Being a male is hard in the Air ForceAre you a female intruder? Intruder to where? | /r/MensRights | 25/04/18 02:02 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: personally, how does it feel to be the object of desire of men, the reason why men kill, fight, start wars, build empires, aspire to become movie stars, powerful CEO's, etc, and overall why many men completely lose their shit when they can't get you?competition with other men is literally the only reason they do anything, right down to shooting their DNA into women. But they referred to "status among other men", which is different from competing with other men for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/18 01:21 PM |
| 1 | Q4W: Is the TRP wrong about shit testing?I think your definition of a shit test is too broad. It's not just anything someone does to a partner or potential partner that pushes or oversteps boundaries. It's specifically doing so as a test, to see if the person is strong enough to stand up for themselves. The response they're "looking for" is to be turned down. (That's wording it in a way that assumes it's done consciously, which I'm not so sure of, but setting that aside.) You give the example of a guy pressuring a woman into swapping n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/18 07:41 PM |
| 2 | Are a good portion of women asexual?Men have somewhere between 12-17x the sex drive of women, but lower =/= zero. I don't think that number is right... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/18 07:10 PM |
| 2 | Male nudity vs female nudity in film(I didn't see that GIF and I wasn't thinking of it.) It's not about seeing yourself as the person on TV/film. It's about having portrayals on TV/film send a message about how people like you are seen, which can influence how you see yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/18 11:09 PM |
| 3 | Male nudity vs female nudity in filmI should have been clearer. My point isn't specifically about male nudity, but about the effect of certain portrayals of nudity. You suggested that being portrayed as sexy isn't empowering or exciting, it's "boring, old, even gross". But certainly it's better than not being portrayed as decidedly unsexy and undesirable? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/18 03:13 PM |
| 5 | Male nudity vs female nudity in filmMost men want to feel sexy and desired. Whether you think it's realistic or not, is it really that weird? In another post you cited a quote saying "Women need to be wanted" so it sounds like you understand that desire. I don't see how it makes anyone transgender or (as /u/storffish suggested) gay. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/18 03:08 PM |
| 1 | [CMV] Its unproductive to care if the girl made you wait longer than the other guy.I never hear guys complain about being expected to foot the whole bill outside of terps here. You're British though, yeah? Most of the people saying it are American. (In Canada I think we're somewhere in the middle for this expectation. It exists to some extent but it's not as strong as in the states.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/18 02:39 PM |
| 2 | Male nudity vs female nudity in filmI understand where you're coming from, but can you see the possible negative effect on a person's body image if nudity of their gender is widely portrayed as funny or gross ("ugh, no one wants to see that")? I really do think that this has a negative effect on men's body image, particularly growing up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/18 02:21 PM |
| -2 | Barmaid who was jailed for falsely accusing her ex of rape is now locked up for nine more years after killing man in 75mph drink drive crash - despite 'trying to hoodwink court' by claiming she was BLINDTone police. Yawn. "What does this have to do with men's rights?" is a question about content, not tone. | /r/MensRights | 19/04/18 09:58 PM |
| 1 | Is anyone here really postmodern?Actually postmodernism in terms of philosophy and attitude was defined in John Lyotard's book The Postmodern Condition in which he describes it as an "incredulity toward meta-narratives”. The "actually" makes it sound like you're contradicting OP's definition, but I don't see how your definition contradicts his. You say that it's an "incredulity toward meta-narratives" while his says that it involves "skepticism, irony, or rejection toward the meta-narratives and ideologies of modernism". Or wer… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/18 05:30 PM |
| 2 | Generally speaking, what do you think is the biggest problem with men? Generally speaking, what do you think is the biggest problem with women?-binary thinking. A man is either in the attractive (not Chad just decent looking) camp or the nice camp. There are literally millions of men in this country that are both. What they are not doing is sitting around bitching about how unfair dating is and it’s hopeless because AWALT and 80/20 and feminists, etc. I didn't see in his post a suggestion that you have to be one or the other (attractive or nice). He used an extreme example (basically a thought experiment) of people who are either one o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/18 07:00 PM |
| 2 | Generally speaking, what do you think is the biggest problem with men? Generally speaking, what do you think is the biggest problem with women?I think /u/exit_sandman is referring to this survey: In an effort to pinpoint exactly which characteristics women deem attractive in a man, we polled over 1,000 American woman between the ages of 21 and 54 in two online surveys. One was conducted by Princeton, New Jersey’s opinion Research Corporation; the other was done on BestLifeOnline.com. Once the results were in, we organized the characteristics based on the how often they appeared within the top 10 attributes listed by women. Not surprisi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/18 04:33 PM |
| 2 | The naked truth about society's double standards about loveI don't think that women are loved unconditionally though. It's entirely possible for a man to no longer love a woman. | /r/MensRights | 16/04/18 09:56 PM |
| 3 | The naked truth about society's double standards about loveThe mistake you are making is that you think continuously pushing the physical expectations higher continue to make someone more qualified but it's not. There is a limit to a fitness tests ability to gauge your capabilities at a job. I don't think I even mentioned fitness tests. I looked up what people in many roles actually have to carry while actually on the job, finding that 60-90 pounds was normal but it could go up as high as 140 pounds. Do you really think that, given training, the number … | /r/MensRights | 16/04/18 09:53 PM |
| 1 | The naked truth about society's double standards about loveCompletely false. Even if the woman herself keeps healthy and thin, she will still get old. The guy's income on the other hand either increases or stays the same. So in a looks/income relationship, it just keeps getting worse for the guy. That's why rich men keep getting new young women. I don't understand what part of my post you consider "completely false". | /r/MensRights | 16/04/18 09:42 PM |
| 15 | Can anyone give me a good source of statistical aggregate analysisI am required to source all of my statistical data and was wondering if their was a reliable site where i could find numbers or percentages regarding gender issues. Specifically showing the bias of the family court system, the homeless, suicides, drug addiction, unemployment, school drop out rates and prison sentences. Obviously ive tried google but to no avail. Do you think i need to search for all the issues separately? I've written on men's issues and tried my best to be well-sourced. Here ar… | /r/MensRights | 16/04/18 09:12 PM |
| 6 | The naked truth about society's double standards about loveAre you aware women can carry 60-90 pounds? There are enlisted women stronger than enlisted men. I don't think you even read my post, particularly the part where I said: There are women out there who can do all of that, particularly with training. But I'm willing to wager that: (1) the percentage of women who (with training) can carry all of this in the field and function adequately (let alone excel) is significantly lower than 100%, and (2) the percentage of women is significantly lower than th… | /r/MensRights | 16/04/18 09:06 PM |
| 4 | The naked truth about society's double standards about loveWomen can perform the tasks with proper training just as men can. Most people will not be fit for the military without training, with training women will be equipped to do the job properly The tasks? Which tasks? If you're referring to all tasks required of any position in the military then I think you're being very optimistic. According to one site linked below, gear requirements of 60-90 pounds are entirely normal, and it can even go higher (this man has to carry 138 pounds of gear on some mis… | /r/MensRights | 16/04/18 08:52 PM |
| 6 | The naked truth about society's double standards about loveNo, it's the evolutionary biology spin on it. Btw, women ARE less capable of serving in the military. And that has evolutionary reasons too. But I guess they don't teach biology in women's studies. This must be one of those not sexist comments I've been hearing about Many roles in the military require physical strength. Women are on average physically weaker, meaning that more men than women will be qualified for those roles. The person you replied to didn't specify why he said that women are le… | /r/MensRights | 16/04/18 06:48 PM |
| 13 | The naked truth about society's double standards about loveThe examples that mention war in particular are mostly from around the 1980s (as I understand it that was a time of change in the U.S. military and thus there was a lot of debate), but my write-up on male disposability has other examples that are more recent, including this very recent study: In a 2016 study researchers performed three experiments and found that both men and women are more willing to sacrifice the lives of male strangers to save others, more willing to subject male strangers to … | /r/MensRights | 16/04/18 04:31 PM |
| 53 | The naked truth about society's double standards about loveE.g. If a woman is deemed as unfit to serve in the military, a women's rights activist will try to fight for that right while a men's rights activist will complain about their expectation of manliness. While I agree both have gripes, I think only the women's activists in my experience are fighting the root cause which is viewing women as less capable. The fact that women are on average physically weaker (as well as any additional assumptions of being less capable that go beyond what's justified … | /r/MensRights | 16/04/18 03:30 PM |
| 15 | The naked truth about society's double standards about loveSomeone could argue a distinction between attraction and love. Women have to be attractive at the start of love, but as they age and lose that initial attractiveness men tend to stay with them. On the other hand, men have to provide more than just the initial attraction; they have to provide ongoing utility. Women leave unemployed men. (It's oversimplified, but I think it's at least a partial response) I don't think that women can get away with just providing initial attraction though. A man who… | /r/MensRights | 16/04/18 03:17 PM |
| 66 | The naked truth about society's double standards about loveWomen are loved for their youth and beauty or summarized, for the ability to provide healthy offspring. Men are loved for their ability to provide for that offspring (and the woman). Nobody cares about ugly women in the same way nobody cares about men who cannot provide. Ugly women are treated like men, on merit. Agreed. It's not clear at all to me that women are loved unconditionally. It might just seem like that to us because the conditions are different. | /r/MensRights | 16/04/18 01:33 PM |
| 4 | Generally speaking, what do you think is the biggest problem with men? Generally speaking, what do you think is the biggest problem with women?Many think that shitty behavior from men is okay and that they are going to get some kind of prize for dating a guy who treats them poorly (like slapping them or not bringing what he promises to bring). They don’t think that they are worthy enough for a good man. They tolerate behaviors they wouldn’t dare do themselves. In reality this is the reason why “women love assholes”. It’s because many women (who have been taught this by other men) believe that it’s somehow immoral to demand a guy who tr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/18 05:42 PM |
| 3 | Off-Topic Discussion of the Week: Jordan Pietersen (14 April 2018)I haven't read his latest book to be honest. Here's an interesting review: http://slatestarcodex.com/2018/03/26/book-review-twelve-rules-for-life/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/18 05:37 PM |
| 20 | When men complain about their dating options it is seen as entitlement/misogyny however when women do so they are seen as legitimate grievances.Yes I think we’ve all established by now that women online tend to be more lenient towards other women. I don't think it's specific to women at all. Men themselves are usually more sympathetic to women's grievances than to other men's. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/18 05:23 PM |
| 1 | Is the government/judicial system the biggest perpetrator of benevolent sexism ?Is there such a thing as "equal crimes"? Do you think all assaults, murders and thefts are "equal" and should all have equitable sentences? Not all crimes within a broad category like assault, murder, and theft are equal. However studies can do a pretty good job of controlling for various legally relevant factors (criminal history, use of firearm, victim injury, etc.) and they still find a notable gap in sentencing. It's possible that they've missed some major relevant factor but I've read all o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/04/18 03:25 PM |
| 1 | Why in modern society is there still such a stigma towards casual sex?Chatting and sex are apples and oranges. Chatting is different from sex, certainly, but in a relevant way that makes OP's point not apply to it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/18 09:28 PM |
| 1 | Why in modern society is there still such a stigma towards casual sex?I think there’s a false equivalency here in that one act involves relatively little risk and the other act involves potentially substantial risk. Conversing and sexual acts are not equivalents. Your original point didn't hinge on (or even mention) risk though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/18 09:22 PM |
| 4 | Why in modern society is there still such a stigma towards casual sex?I think it’s because if you are just having sex with another person rather than getting to know another person then you’re treating them as a masturbation toy rather than a fellow human being. This is kind of like saying that if you have a quick shallow chat with a stranger without getting to know them, you're treating them as a chatbot rather than a fellow human being. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/18 07:43 PM |
| 1 | If men were allowed to have financial abortions, what would be the consequencesBut you wouldn't eliminate the concept of child support, I assume? It could still apply in the context of divorce. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/18 04:40 PM |
| 2 | If men were allowed to have financial abortions, what would be the consequencesWell I have to ask the more abstract question then — why should we give them outs on this basis when women don’t get outs for so-called biological differences that don’t benefit women but favor men? I mean, I'd love to make it so that women don't have to go through the physical effects of pregnancy and child-birth to have a kid, but that's an actual direct result of biology and isn't something we can change without major technological advancements. Also, while it is biology that makes women the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/18 12:22 PM |
| 16 | 71% of UK adults mistakenly think the gender pay gap is “the difference in pay between men and women doing the same job” | Roll up your sleeves, boys - we have our work cut out.Thanks for posting this. I've always had the impression that misunderstanding the earnings gap was really common, but this gives actual numbers to it. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/18 01:31 PM |
| 26 | Feminists used to claim that women were treated more harshly by the judicial system. Then research showed the opposite was true and they suddenly went quiet. Here is a 1994 article from the UK discussing gender and the judicial system.There are some more recent studies that are very thorough and find justice system discrimination against men at various stages in the process: Justice System Discrimination and the Myth That Sexism Against Men Isn’t “Institutional” | /r/MensRights | 08/04/18 01:08 PM |
| 6 | Don’t you find all these rules exhausting?Whether it should be is different from whether it is. But I don't agree that it shouldn't be a primary reason. Wanting to improve your sex/dating/romance life is a perfectly understandable goal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/18 04:15 PM |
| 6 | Don’t you find all these rules exhausting?It's one major reason that men go to the gym, although not the only reason. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/18 01:45 PM |
| 6 | The State of The SubredditNope! I vary in how much time I'm able to put in but I have no specific plans to stop. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/18 09:36 PM |
| 1 | [Q4All] what is Toxic feminity to you?That's literally what the data says: more women initiate than men by a large margin. They're more willing to jump ship. If that's not "willingness" idk what is. No one denies that women are more likely than men to initiate divorce. The interesting question is whether this reflects some underlying tendency that women have to "jump ship", or whether it's (as the evidence I'm aware of suggests) that different treatment leads to these different outcomes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/18 09:14 PM |
| 4 | The State of The SubredditI'd just say "All feminists are fuckwits". Thats within the rules as I've always understood them. Yep, as long as it's not worded more like "you feminists are fuckwits". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/18 05:22 PM |
| 6 | The State of The SubredditAs long as you aren’t directing some sort of insult at a user, it is my understanding that insulting a demographic or just negatively generalizing one is not a PPD rule violation. Please confirm or clarify. I understand there is a degree of nuance here. This is how I've been moderating for the past ~2 years. (Paging /u/PPD-Angel, /u/TheGreasyPole, and /u/Littleknownfacts because you all replied to the post.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/18 05:16 PM |
| 4 | [Q4All] what is Toxic feminity to you?That's why "toxic femininity" doesn't make much sense. There simply are no female gender norms that push them to engage in harmful behavior. They are encouraged to be quiet, passive, subordinate, nurturing, non-violent, etc. The actual analogy is "passive femininity" I really don't know how you can say that there are no female gender norms that push (or allow) them to engage in harmful behavior. You even mention passivity. I can think of many situations where passivity can be harmful to the pers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/18 05:05 PM |
| 1 | [Q4All] what is Toxic feminity to you?I assume he means women will leave a relationship based on her satisfaction whereas a man will stay in a relationship even if he's unhappy. And perhaps the divorce rate initiation between the genders (70% women, 30% men) supports this. The research that I'm aware of suggests that this is a result of custody. From the book Legalizing Misandry, citing economists Margaret Brinig and Douglas Allen, who conducted a large study of divorce that analyzed all 46,000 cases in the year 1995 in four states:… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/04/18 04:56 PM |
| 2 | [Debate] This is how female attraction actually worksI've seen accusations of "creepiness" in real life where it was very clear to me that the "problem" was that the man was awkward or unattractive, and not that he was threatening in any way. In many of those cases I knew the man or even saw the whole interaction. You're right that attractive men don't have carte blanche to act however they want, but attractiveness has a major influence on perceptions of who's "creepy". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/18 11:38 PM |
| 2 | [Debate] This is how female attraction actually worksTruth. Men believe women are primarily attracted to status because that's what men value in other men. What exactly makes you think that? As a man, if I were to base my idea of what women are attracted to on my "solipsism" (or what people appear to mean by "solipsism" here, namely assuming that other people are like me) then I would assume that women's attraction is 80-90% looks. Sexual attraction to status is not something that I would assume at all. It's not even something that makes intuitive… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/04/18 11:25 PM |
| 4 | An abusive lesbian couple with 6 adopted black kids, do a Thelma and Louise off a cliff with 3 kids, after Child Services was checking in on the kids.Are you a lesbian yourself? I ask because you seem to have reacted strongly to that aspect of the story even though data shows men are not the fastest group of domestic abusers in comparison. I'm a man who advocates for men's issues, and I worry that just posting "women behaving badly" posts (with no explanation from OP about the point they're trying to make) could reasonably be interpreted as just trying to take jabs at women. I don't see how I "reacted strongly". I expressed disagreement and t… | /r/MensRights | 30/03/18 12:13 AM |
| 13 | Crazed girls flood Parkland school shooter Nikolas Cruz with fan mailAs I posted in another thread about this, I don't see a connection to men's issues. Is this just a jab against women? If OP is posting this to make a specific point about men's issues then they should provide a comment alongside the article to explain their reasoning behind posting it. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/18 03:52 PM |
| 8 | An abusive lesbian couple with 6 adopted black kids, do a Thelma and Louise off a cliff with 3 kids, after Child Services was checking in on the kids.I'll reinforce my point with an example. Imagine that feminists wanted to show that women are just as capable as men at politics or engineering or some other traditionally masculine field, and that to do this they posted many articles about bad male politicians or bad male engineers. You can see how that would come across, right? As for the specific suggestions that you requested, I have two. First, I think that we should prefer positive stories about men rather than negative stories about women… | /r/MensRights | 29/03/18 03:46 PM |
| 5 | Mass Murderer Nikolas Cruz Deluged With Adoring Letters From Female FansI don't see a connection to men's issues. Is this just a jab against women? | /r/MensRights | 29/03/18 03:21 PM |
| 21 | An abusive lesbian couple with 6 adopted black kids, do a Thelma and Louise off a cliff with 3 kids, after Child Services was checking in on the kids.While I think it's important to challenge the idea that men are bad people and women are virtuous, I'm really skeptical this is best achieved with "women behaving badly" posts. Edit: At least not "women behaving badly" posts where OP just leaves the link and does not provide an explanation of what point they're trying to make. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/18 03:20 PM |
| 10 | [Q4W] for those ladies who hate modern feminism why do you hate it?Do you think there's a meaningful distinction between "trying to control how people think about women" and "criticizing how people think about women"? If someone says something that I don't think is accurate (whether about women, men, or another topic) then I'll generally want to express my disagreement (subject to time/effort constraints). I think that's pretty normal, and I wouldn't call it "trying to control how people think about women". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/18 02:49 PM |
| 4 | Are there ways society tells you to "Woman up" or shames you for not being a "Real Woman"?Men are also judged for not having kids. To the same extent, though? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/18 05:21 PM |
| 2 | CMV: I feel like my personality is fundamentally unattractive to the archetypal female model of attraction and I essentially have to "fake" parts of my interactions with women I'm interested in to generate attractionSome of the moderators (who in the past have done more than their fair share) have become less active, and the other moderators have been doing their best to keep up. I don't know about the other threads you mention. I don't think I saw them. I was the one to approve this thread in particular though, and I did it because, although it's very personal, it's asking general questions about attraction that I think are relevant to PPD, and it doesn't seem to be going the direction of a woe-is-me or in… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/18 04:32 PM |
| 3 | Your opinion on mate guarding?People wouldn't be out banging married women if they were worried about getting buried by the side of county road 1600 North You mean if the women were worried about getting buried, right? (I'm being facetious, I don't condone initiating violence, I just think it would be really strange to not hold the actual cheater responsible, and to just hold the person who enabled the cheating responsible.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/18 04:26 PM |
| 5 | Why Are So Many Men Verbally Abusive In Dating?If a man's cheap for not paying for the other person, then surely a woman is cheap for not paying for the other person or for herself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/18 01:03 PM |
| 3 | Why Are So Many Men Verbally Abusive In Dating?Don't post pictures of yourself or people you know in real life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/18 01:00 PM |
| 2 | Q4Women: Does preselection actually work for you when scoping out a man?This thread is Q4Women so post under the automod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/18 01:34 PM |
| 5 | Q4Men: Men of PPD, how would you explain male sexuality to women who are confused about "neediness" vs. "independence?"This is all a little vague about what neediness and independence mean. I took a look at that thread and /u/RockinSocksII gave some examples of needy behavior: So examples of needy behavior that I've seen is refusal to pay for anything, getting mad when the man doesn't respond quickly enough, giving up hobbies because their boyfriend doesn't like it, dropping friends, etc. I really don't think that these things are anywhere near being positive factors in a woman's desirability to men. (The last t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/18 05:09 PM |
| 6 | I need Feminism because it's unfair a woman should have to be treated as bad as men are in the court system. Even though we want equality.It's saying that alternatives to custody (i.e., alternatives to jail) are more appropriate for women. | /r/MensRights | 19/03/18 11:21 PM |
| 1 | Claimed gender-disparities between women and men. Are they real? If so, why?Yeah but where were their fathers? Surely they have some responsibility as well for not being there for them. No one ever asks this question. If your kid does anything bad, people scream “where is his mother?!”. No one ever asks? There's actually been a lot of talk about missing fathers / broken homes and mass shooters, mostly from the right: "Missing fathers and America's broken boys - the vast majority of mass shooters come from broken homes" "A Key Commonality In School Shooters The Left Refu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/03/18 03:15 PM |
| 1 | Believing in equal rights between men and women doesn't make you a feminist.No, because men have “bodily autonomy” rights in the US, it just doesn’t manifest via abortion because men can’t get pregnant. That’s falls under the right to privacy, which both men and women have. This still sounds like exactly my point though. It's like saying that women don't have the right to an abortion in Ireland, but men don't either. The law applies equally (at least as I understand it), but the effects are different because men can't get pregnant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/03/18 03:53 PM |
| 1 | Believing in equal rights between men and women doesn't make you a feminist.That sounds like a relatively minor semantic point. It's like saying that there is no "right to protest" in the United States, there is a "right of the people peaceably to assemble" under which protest falls. (I don't know if that example works, but you get my point.) It's true, but I don't think it has a major practical difference for our purposes. a right to privacy men also have equally And from what I understand, the legislation banning abortion in Ireland also bans men from getting abortion… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/03/18 03:35 PM |
| 1 | Redpillers, CMV: Men can only fall in love with women who are higher status than them in some way.1 Redpillers, CMV: Men can only love women who they perceive as being higher status than they are. (self.PurplePillDebate) submitted just now by Blu_rouge I've seen this my whole life and I'm pretty sure other people have as well. Notice I said nothing about having sex or even a relationship. But in order to actually "love" a woman she has to be higher status than he is. This could be in the form of looks, but if she is lacking in that department then wealth can make up for it. And I mean real g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/03/18 02:32 PM |
| 11 | Believing in equal rights between men and women doesn't make you a feminist.circumcision is a man-made thing. men enforce it. According to this YouGov poll, women are actually a bit more likely to say that male children should be routinely circumcised (49% vs 46%), and men are a bit more likely to say that they should not be (20% vs 15%). Thus it does not seem to be the case that circumcision is primarily supported by men. (Paging /u/Drippyskippy) But it wouldn't matter if it was primarily supported by men, at least for the question of rights. If I said "women have the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/03/18 02:25 PM |
| 7 | Believing in equal rights between men and women doesn't make you a feminist.Besides abortion (specifically, because men have a right to privacy too) Isn't this the flip side to: "In Ireland women don't have the right to an abortion, but men don't either, so they have equal rights."? I mean it's a valid point, but there are also valid questions about how technically neutral laws or policies aren't really neutral in their effect. With that said, the vast majority of the men's issues that I'm interested in do not involve legal rights. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/03/18 02:01 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: What are your biggest complaints about the SMP?In the U.S., just over two thirds of children live with two parents, while just under one fourth of children live with a single mother. NOV. 17, 2016 — The majority of America’s 73.7 million children under age 18 live in families with two parents (69 percent), according to new statistics released today from the U.S. Census Bureau. This is compared to other types of living arrangements, such as living with grandparents or having a single parent. The second most common family arrangement is childr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/18 11:30 PM |
| 2 | [Q] what are the major good quality for a women to be called a good/better woman?I've changed it to the discussion flair. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/18 07:33 PM |
| 5 | Radical feminists are the 'nice guys' of womenMen aren't fragile or insecure about feminists, it's just their DNA saying 'Yuck, get away from this harpy. She wants you to be something you're not and yield your time and energy to something that's completely unnatural.' What's your definition of radical feminism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/18 12:39 PM |
| 22 | Some stats on hookups40% of reported hookups did not involve oral, anal, or vaginal sex. They're using a different definition of "hookup" from the one I know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/18 07:13 PM |
| 3 | Why are women more likely to feel "used" by sex?What makes you think it's true? From my perspective, men generally take great pride in being good in bed. It's tied to their masculine identity, and the idea that as a man you're responsible for both people's enjoyment (while the woman's contribued her share by just showing up) is pretty prevalent. The only thing I can think of is if someone said this due to the fact that women are generally harder to please (orgasm less guaranteed). But while that's not their fault, it's also certainly not men'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/18 04:27 PM |
| 2 | Why are women more likely to feel "used" by sex?Guys are more likely to be selfish/shitty in bed. This is not at all obvious to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/03/18 04:12 PM |
| 5 | What are behaviors that we accept in men but not in women?HAVING children today is selfish. Who the fuck would knowingly bring a human into this world?? What do you mean? The world is better than it's ever been. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/18 07:01 PM |
| 3 | What do you guys think about the best comments that I have collected from /r/askTRP? Do you have any criticisms of this advice, or is it all good?Could you temper the use of bold text? It looks like you made every single line of text (outside of quotes) bold in this post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/18 09:31 PM |
| 3 | Is it too easy for men to have sex nowadays?You're not paying for responsibility by taking the pill. You're paying to remove responsibility from yourself by taking the pill. There is virtually no responsibility in swallowing a pill because it enables you to do what you want without being cautious about doing it. This doesn't make sense at all to me. Is your objection that you see birth control (pill, condoms, etc.) as too easy of a solution? Do you want people to have to sacrifice more and go through more inconvenience to be able to avoid… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/18 06:48 PM |
| 6 | Is it too easy for men to have sex nowadays?Birth control (assuming proper use) is being careful about sexual activity to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. In what way is that not responsible? And what is your specific alternative? "married people not have sex unless they are expressly trying for children?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/18 05:58 PM |
| 7 | Is it too easy for men to have sex nowadays?I’m suggesting that they be responsible, whether they be more careful about their sexual activity, Like using birth control? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/18 05:22 PM |
| 1 | Q4W: Do you have a "fuck only" box?Be civil. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/18 02:48 PM |
| 1 | Women are responsible for the fucked up RMPrelationship market place | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/18 09:39 PM |
| – | The Agency Theory explains many of the criticisms MRA's make of feminism without assuming that women aren't oppressed.I'm removing this thread because the post that you link to has been removed and you haven't edited in the intended content to this post since then. Feel free to make a new thread about the topic if you're willing to provide some details. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/18 12:50 PM |
| 1 | Virginal women vs experienced women and virginal men vs experienced menBe civil. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/18 10:48 PM |
| 1 | How did parenting(or lack of it) shape how men and women interact today?For example ...because of an increase in single mother households boys not becoming strong men . This is probably because women don't know how to shape a boy into a man as that was the father's job. Another example ...parents working longer hours and not spending time with their kids. This leaves the kid to figure out how to become an adult. This paper argues that boys' non-cognitive development (self-control, motivation, etc.) is especially reliant on parental time, and that without enough pare… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/18 10:16 PM |
| 2 | Why A Woman's Sexual Past Mattersjust as women and the mods here demand that men take women's explanations at face value. What? (the mod part specifically) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/18 05:08 PM |
| 1 | Women need to accept that men decide what makes a woman " high quality/value "Be civil. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/03/18 04:54 PM |
| 1 | Critique of the Most Widely-Used Male Privilege ChecklistThe American Time Use Survey is actually pretty good as far as I can tell. They include "maintenance, repair, and decoration" and "lawn, garden, and houseplants" (both of which lean towards men) under household activities. But I've made changes to #8 and #47 based on your suggestions. Thanks! | /r/MensRights | 03/03/18 12:20 AM |
| 2 | Interesting data about disparities in sentencing between male vs. female teachers who take advantage of their students (statutory rape).Here are some studies on the topic that you might not have seen. They do a pretty good job at controlling for legally relevant factors, and they find a sizable remaining gap that is plausibly a result of discrimination. /u/sublimemongrel is correct though that a large part of the raw gap is a result of those differences between the cases (the legally relevant factors that I mentioned). From this paper: Legal factors account for a large portion of the gender differences, but even after controllin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 10:58 PM |
| 1 | What do you guys think about REGIONAL sexual marketplaces?Weed is going to be legal in Canada sometime this summer too! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 10:15 PM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: Who has more privilege when looking at an average person?Uncle Sam and his welfare are no substitute for a man. The average person isn't on welfare, are they? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 01:00 AM |
| 1 | Who does feminism truly stand for?You said "this Warren dude and his supporters" are doing it, which means that they both did it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/18 01:00 AM |
| 1 | Who does feminism truly stand for?Ok, here and on Vice, it says this Warren dude and his supporters are spewing vitriol about women in general (not just vocal feminists). I took a quick look at the article and can't find Warren Farrell "spewing vitriol about women". In fact, his name only comes up once, in the very first sentence. Can you point to the specific example of Farrell "spewing vitriol about women"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/18 10:02 PM |
| 5 | What do you guys think about REGIONAL sexual marketplaces?How are those on the left more delusional than those on the right? It's not the left that are known to be anti-vaccination, anti-evolution, anti-climate-change, etc On anti-vaxxers: To examine this issue, I used a statistical technique called logistic regression that allows you to examine how the probability of a certain outcome will change depending on the characteristics of a survey respondent. I used it to examine whether someone is more or less likely to think that (a) vaccines are unsafe an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/18 05:46 PM |
| 7 | What do you guys think about REGIONAL sexual marketplaces?Liberals and conservatives generally have different personalities (liberals are more creative, open minded, empathic and rely on scientific evidence while conservatives tend to prefer routines, traditions, normalcy and prefer feelings and religion over science) I don't think that's a very neutral description of the personality differences. It's clear from that which side you fall on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/18 04:41 PM |
| 3 | What do you guys think about REGIONAL sexual marketplaces?2: Isn't the average person way better looking (regarding skin/muscles/tan) in San Diego, because in that region you go to the beach ALL YEAR ROUND and show off your skin/body ALL YEAR ROUND? I suspect that lifestyle differences in the amount of physical activity people do, and cultural differences in attitudes to food, matter more in determining fitness than proximity to a warm beach all year round. I've never lived in a place that warm, but this list of the 10 least obese places in the U.S. ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/18 04:36 PM |
| 1 | CMV: When a woman wants an “open marriage” or “open relationship” it’s based on a subconscious desire to see if she can find a better mateI removed one or two of his posts but did not go as far as giving him an official warning because the level of incivility did not appear to be as high as what I saw in your posts. (For the future, posts don't have to be reported to be removed or earn a warning, although reporting does help us see them.) And it appears that just 30 minutes after I gave you this warning (Feb 27 22:33 UTC) you made another post blatantly breaking our rules on civility (Feb 27 23:02 UTC): Nah. You’re an obsessive we… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/03/18 12:40 AM |
| 1 | CMV: When a woman wants an “open marriage” or “open relationship” it’s based on a subconscious desire to see if she can find a better mateLol the weak and triggered RP man [...] Consider this a warning. If you can't be civil in disagreements in the future, you risk a ban. Other examples: His brain works sometimes! Would you like a cookie? Oh, so you’re not just crazy, you’re actually kind of obsessed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/18 10:32 PM |
| 2 | CMV: When a woman wants an “open marriage” or “open relationship” it’s based on a subconscious desire to see if she can find a better mateDo you have any evidence of this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/18 10:18 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Women get annoyed when guys discuss having trouble dating, pickup strategies and/or being incel because these concepts are alien to themI mean, sorry to tell you, but you are wrong. Women who fail to abide by a multiple hour per day grooming routine are culturally percieved as Ill or disgusting. According to the American Time Use Survey, women spend an average of 49 minutes per day on grooming (men spend 34). If what you say is true, a large majority of women are "culturally percieved as Ill or disgusting". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/18 05:52 PM |
| 10 | Of the 27 worst mass shooters in America only one was raised by their biological fatherfuck off with your family values, that's codeword for "we hate gay people". It certainly doesn't have to be. I believe in the importance of two parent households as preferable to one parent households because having two parents present generally means less poverty, and it generally means that the child gets more parental time, which is especially important for boys' development according to this study: "Broken families are associated with worse parental inputs and boys' non-cognitive development… | /r/MensRights | 26/02/18 04:53 PM |
| 5 | What is the bare minimum a guy needs to have casual sex/a girlfriend in your part of the world?I agree that looks are important, I just think that fear of rejection (being unable to approach and make moves) is a more common limiting factor among the men who can't get girlfriends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/18 04:20 PM |
| 9 | What is the bare minimum a guy needs to have casual sex/a girlfriend in your part of the world?"Good" inherently means moral, upstanding, righteous. It can also mean effective, skilled, desirable, or high quality. Think of a good swimmer, a good writer, a good musician, or even good looks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/18 03:20 PM |
| 16 | What is the bare minimum a guy needs to have casual sex/a girlfriend in your part of the world?I think the most common barrier to getting a relationship for men isn't not being attractive enough, but rather an inability to make a move due to fear of rejection or general inexperience. Most generally normal men have a generally normal woman somewhere in his circle of friends or acquaintances who would date him. (It still makes sense to put effort into becoming more attractive, to increase the number and attractiveness of your options.) Casual sex is a different story. If we're talking about… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/18 03:09 PM |
| 9 | Q4BP: What do you BP people think about this online dating advise video?It's not for me personally. As a rule we like to avoid people link-dropping. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/18 11:36 PM |
| 7 | Q4BP: What do you BP people think about this online dating advise video?Please give a short summary of the video. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/18 11:20 PM |
| 5 | Claiming that most women (or men) do not party, hookup, or go out drinking is a flat out lie.I wasn't commenting on other people further down the chain, but rather I was commenting on that specific quote (the top comment in the thread). I'll take a look at the other comments. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/18 04:45 PM |
| 24 | Claiming that most women (or men) do not party, hookup, or go out drinking is a flat out lie.All you need to do is look at the Instagrams of hot chicks who are sub 30 years old, and who they hang out at with at these EDM concerts, beach parties, boat parties, etc. That's it! I caught it! That subconscious moment where you filter out 99% of the female population and focus on 5 to 15 specific women, Where it's claimed that an overwhelming majority of women do not party, go out clubbing, get drunk, or hook up in any way, and women that do do this are some sort of freak or rarity. This is b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/18 02:13 PM |
| 1 | Is casual bodybuilding and steroid use a direct result of unrestricted female hypergamy? I say yes.Roughly 20-30% of young college-aged women fit that stereotype. (I'm saying this anecdotally as a college student. inb4 "anecdotes don't count" because obviously formal studies haven't been conducted on this). It's definitely not the case that 20-30% of "young college-aged women" are dating body-builders or otherwise very muscular men though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/18 01:47 PM |
| 4 | Is casual bodybuilding and steroid use a direct result of unrestricted female hypergamy? I say yes.Then every other dude would have a physique like that. Don't BS us. Every other dude does not go on a strict diet and work out for years. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/18 11:10 PM |
| 19 | Women enjoy casual sex far more than they let on.At some point you don't need a weatherman to tell you its raining. But I'll post my link again. Younger women cheat more and the trend is clearly toward increased female cheating: https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america You said that women are far more likely to cheat. You provided a source showing that men in every age group are more likely to have cheated, except the age group of 18-19, where women are one percentage point more likely to have cheated … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/18 07:28 PM |
| 11 | Women enjoy casual sex far more than they let on.Sorry but these days women cheat far more than men. What evidence do you have to demonstrate this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/18 06:43 PM |
| 12 | If people could be jailed for using their SO as a beta bux, how would sexual strategy be different?It's more to test what people mean when they say beta bux. I don't think they mean "dishonestly marrying a person you don't love for their money". That's a gold-digger. "Beta bucks" is usually used to refer to a guy who's less exciting, more dependable, more of a provider. I don't think the implication is that she doesn't love him, it's that she doesn't find him as sexy as the men she had casual flings with. Let's say we pass a law treating dishonestly marrying a person you don't love for their … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/18 05:56 PM |
| 3 | If AFBB is not wrong why deny its existence/ commonality?Sure, but that's presented as the ideal, not the standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/18 11:58 PM |
| 10 | If AFBB is not wrong why deny its existence/ commonality?A reasonable perspective from Athol Kay: The Alpha Traits are those associated with classic “manly man” strengths. Power, dominance, physical ability, bravery, wealth, cool and confidence. Oh and good genes. These are the things that attract women and turn them on sexually. The Alpha Traits are linked to the dopamine response in women. The Beta Traits are those associated with the strengths of being a nice guy / “family man”. Kindness, being a good listener, the ability to help with the children… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/18 05:29 PM |
| 23 | The prettier a girl is, the more she's attracted to thugs.Why not leave it as "the prettier a girl is, the more she insists on a man who isn't boring"? Why go further and specify thugs in particular? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/18 05:20 PM |
| 1 | Er what is Cmv?"Change my view". Basically "debate me". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/18 10:13 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: How would you feel if your SO you asked you for a Paternity test? (Men can answer too)Thanks to Urban Dictionary, this means: •A man that puts himself in a subservient/submissive position under women in hopes of winning them over, without the female bringing anything to the table. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/18 12:59 AM |
| 12 | Q4Women: How would you feel if your SO you asked you for a Paternity test? (Men can answer too)For men 1) How would you feel if your SO had gotten pregnant and asked for a Paternity Test? 2) Would you assume she's cheating? 3) Would your relationship be damaged? That just wouldn't make sense. The only reason she'd do that is if she knows she's had sex with other people. If she's only had sex with me, there would be no reason at all to do this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/18 12:56 AM |
| 2 | Q4Mods: Race and incel postsAh yes, that's right. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/18 12:50 AM |
| 2 | Do you have an example of institutional or widespread sexism that is prevalent today?School dress codes often have have different standards for male and female students, and it's common for the reasoning behind female dress standards to be that revealing clothes will distract the boys. How exactly would you characterize those different standards? I've seen many people say that girls are held to higher standards here but I don't think that's the case. In general women's clothing standards are more permissive when it comes to showing skin. I wouldn't be surprised if girls more oft… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/18 11:11 PM |
| 6 | Is the blueprint for TheGreenPill already spelled out by TRP?Too many pills! Not everything has to be a pill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/18 11:09 PM |
| – | Q4Mods: Race and incel postsFor the time being we're sticking with the ban on race and incel posts. Leaving those up recently was an oversight. However, we're going to review the policy to see if it's still warranted. If the policy changes, we'll let you know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/18 10:57 PM |
| 4 | Q4Mods: Race and incel postsWe can't see who reports things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/18 10:46 PM |
| 1 | If all non-Western men oppress women (as most of you strongly believe), then how is masculinity not toxic???Due to women having, on average, less slutty impulses than men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/18 05:47 PM |
| 11 | Men are the gatekeepers of commitment and women are the gatekeepers of sex. Am I wrong?Women are the gatekeepers of sex to a notably larger degree than men are the gatekeepers of commitment. The "commitment market" does not look like the inverse of the "casual sex market"; it's much closer to equal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/18 03:58 PM |
| 3 | If all non-Western men oppress women (as most of you strongly believe), then how is masculinity not toxic???I’d add sluttiness to that list but that’s just my opinion maaaan. Why single out women for that? I'd definitely say that men on average have more (or stronger) slutty impulses than women. They just more often lack the ability to put it into practice (unless they're gay). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/18 12:53 AM |
| – | Old post called "I don't believe in lesbians. I believe in broken women."This isn't really a discussion, but I'm leaving this up in case anyone can help OP find the post they're looking for. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/18 10:18 PM |
| 2 | How do you think that male and/or female psychology would differ today if the earliest people were able to regulate their own fertility?So, you're just going to ignore what psychologists have said about rape being about power, not sex? That's more feminists than psychologists. It did not take long for Brownmiller’s scholarly claim to morph into a galvanizing political battle cry (‘rape is about power, not sex’), which would over time calcify into popular dogma, finding frequent unquestioning expression in the media, becoming a staple of University assault prevention and education efforts and applied liberally to other kinds of s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/18 09:04 PM |
| 13 | [All] If you could control your sex drive, what would you do?Testosterone is a MASSIVE competitive advantage in the workplace. More competitive, more aggressive, more assertive, higher energy. Why wouldn't you want it? OP asked about sex drive though, not testosterone. Testosterone influences sex drive but they're not synonymous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/18 08:19 PM |
| 2 | [Discussion] A man is who is less attractive isn’t necessarily going to be nicer.This was reported for not being civil but it's not targeted at one here personally. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/18 12:08 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Overt kindness in men is not attractive because it embodies feminine nature.That's what overt kindness is though. Why do you think that? And what do you call kindness that's not coming from a pushover, person without self-respect, etc? Is that covert kindness? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/18 08:19 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Overt kindness in men is not attractive because it embodies feminine nature.From what I have seen, men who exhibit overt kindness, or care to others around him are not respected and seen as feminine by women. Overt kindness means: Offering to help others in ways that they do not normally help you in. Offering help to women in ways they do not ask for or wouldn't ask for. Very hesitant to make good jokes due to fear of offending people. Allows others to use him, doesn't discern in who he is kind to, regardless of what they give back to him. (Optional) has an unusual conc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/18 06:35 PM |
| 3 | Discussion: In the dating world, the majority of women have it a lot easier than the majority of menShe is in control of her standards. Is she in control of who she's attracted to, though? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/18 11:43 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: In the dating world, the majority of women have it a lot easier than the majority of menAlso women do have more options but most of them are trash which to a woman is not a win. What makes most of women's options trash? I don't think that most men are trash. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/18 11:38 PM |
| 14 | Why are American men faithful to their wives?If someone enters into a monogamous relationship then they willingly agreed not to have sex with other people. If you make an agreement with someone—especially someone so close to you, a family member—shouldn't you honour that agreement? And if they don't want to honour that agreement, they shouldn't make it in the first place. They can enter into an open relationship, or they can stay single and not be tied down at all. I think the world is a worse place when people just ignore agreements they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/18 01:37 AM |
| 9 | The fact that many women are actively repulsed by anything manosphere related sort of proves that women are fueled mainly by emotion, right?Tone and content are essentially the same thing. You can say any of these things worded differently and people would agree more. The lingo is what people get hung up on. Are you saying that there do not exist major disagreements about the importance of sexual history, the amount of misandry in feminism, the ethics of sexual double standards, how age affects women's and men's attractiveness, what women find attractive, etc.? It would be quite surprising if you thought that. If TRP and the manosph… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/18 12:50 AM |
| 8 | The fact that many women are actively repulsed by anything manosphere related sort of proves that women are fueled mainly by emotion, right?That's a big compliment! I appreciate that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/18 12:11 AM |
| 34 | The fact that many women are actively repulsed by anything manosphere related sort of proves that women are fueled mainly by emotion, right?Well, other than the tone, and that it's mainly geared towards men with proper locker room talk, why? Why do some people think that people's disagreements with TRP (or the manosphere) are all due to superficial things like tone and nothing to do with actual content? I've seen this before and I don't know where it comes from. For pretty much any idea that exists, you can find people who disagree with it. Why would TRP's ideas be any different? Off the top of my head, here are a few areas where pe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/18 11:36 PM |
| 5 | How Accurate is TurdFlingingMonkey?Could you give details on his particular arguments? I've never heard of him. Spesifically in regards to men being superior to women. I mean, he uses sexual dimorphism to back up his claims, but could you really use any other studies to prove the opposite? Sexual dimorphism just means that there are differences between males and females, not necessarily that either males or females are better. Actually the idea of one sex being "better" is a really weird concept. It's like asking: are male alpaca… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/18 08:46 PM |
| 2 | Blue Pill/feminism has failed in it's response to broken lost men who need a father figure - hence Cernovich, J Petersen ETCI haven't noticed him clearly hating women. What makes you think that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/18 12:04 AM |
| 13 | QforBP: Why do so many of you deny the Alpha/Beta categories when there are men like me willing to admit they're Beta?Basically what the title says. I'm happy to admit i'm a beta. I'm a normal guy, but really not impressive. I have a low N-count, and low SMV. I'm willing to admit this, but a lot of BPers seems to think people simply can't be defined this way. Which bluepillers think that "normal guy, not very impressive, low N-count, low SMV" men do not exist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/18 10:44 PM |
| 4 | Seeing that most men are below average in looks and bad at sex. Why don't women visit prostitutes more often?I can't think of a single woman who's paid to see a hooker, but I can think of a handful of men. With women having generally easier access to sex, women are less likely to be in a position where they "need" to resort to sex with a prostitute (to have sex with someone, or to have sex with someone of a certain caliber). And even if they were, the difference in sex drives (particularly for casual sex) means that women would be more likely than men to forego sex altogether instead of having non-idea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/18 03:34 AM |
| 1 | Seeing that most men are below average in looks and bad at sex. Why don't women visit prostitutes more often?The thought of paying someone to have sex with me is a big turn-off for me too, and I've heard that from many other guys as well, both on the topic of prostitution and the topic of sexual assault and rape. Most men very much want to be desired by women too, and get turned on by it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/18 12:31 AM |
| 12 | Would you enter a relationship with a single parent?No. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/18 03:39 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: what is the most legitimate/concerning gender issue(s) to you?Creating a child is not a rare or learned skill. But it's a very important one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/18 10:36 PM |
| 5 | In the UK, there are a drastically lower number of sexual harassment cases, because you have to prove it's true before it goes to the media.That case was the website giving the accuser an outlet to make her accusations, not the website reporting that she'd made allegations, right? Then yeah, I can see how that would be treated differently in Britain based on this article. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/18 06:45 PM |
| 6 | In the UK, there are a drastically lower number of sexual harassment cases, because you have to prove it's true before it goes to the media.We don't have a 1st amendment here in Canada either, but I've seen plenty of stories on allegations. Often they include that the accused denies the allegations, and often they include that the allegations have not been proven in court. "Six women have come forward, accusing Harvey Weinstein of sexual misconduct" is just reporting that accusations have been made, not that they are true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/18 06:29 PM |
| 8 | In the UK, there are a drastically lower number of sexual harassment cases, because you have to prove it's true before it goes to the media.Don't most of the reports on sexual harassment in the media involve reporting on other people's accusations, rather than the media making accusations themselves? Along the lines of "Six women have come forward, accusing Harvey Weinstein of sexual misconduct". Certainly that's not libel anywhere, is it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/18 06:10 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: Would you rather have an unattractive man just for yourself or share an attractive man with others?Thread is Q4Women; reply under AutoMod if you're a man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/18 05:17 PM |
| 7 | Q4All: what is the most legitimate/concerning gender issue(s) to you?Particularly in the United States, I'd point to the very concerning trends in male employment and education. Millions of able-bodied men have dropped out of the labor force, mostly because they have stopped looking for work. Many of them badly need to leave their neighborhoods in Appalachia, the Rust Belt, and the Deep South, where the rate of non-working men often hovers around 40 percent. [“The Missing Men” in The Atlantic] More than ever, college is the gateway to economic success, a necessar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/18 09:52 PM |
| 0 | Do women find lesbian sex as repulsive as straight men generally find gay sex?I think part of it is that porn generally isn't a self-insert thing for women like it is for men. It's more voyeuristic for us. This is why a straight woman can still get aroused from lesbian porn but a straight man isn't likely to get aroused watching gay porn. The man is imagining himself in that scenario; the woman is just enjoying watching two people experience pleasure. How does that work with men's love of lesbian (or "lesbian") porn though? That's a clear case of enjoying the view rather … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/18 08:29 PM |
| 7 | Q4M: Would you date a woman who has seen multiple prostitutes?No, I would not. And I don't see anything wrong with a woman having that preference either. But in general I'm just not in the business of criticizing people's partner preferences (unless the preference somehow enables abuse or mistreatment). I have no interest in convincing or pressuring people into dating anyone they don't want to date. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/18 07:06 PM |
| 1 | Q4W: Would you date a man who has seen multiple prostitutes?This thread is tagged as "question for women", so I've removed your post. Feel free to repost it under the AutoMod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/01/18 04:56 PM |
| 6 | "But not everyone is like that"Is it female nature to have a propensity to date men as tall or taller than themselves? What exactly does this mean? Women in general tend to date men of the same height or taller. Most (but not necessarily all) women prefer men of the same height or taller. All women prefer men of the same height or taller. The first is true, but it's not necessarily a result of "female nature". The second is, in my opinion, true. But is it "female nature" if it doesn't apply to all of them? Maybe, but I think … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/01/18 01:24 AM |
| 16 | "But not everyone is like that"This observation does not apply to everyone. This is useless and I have never once seen this offer any substance to a single debate. And the vast majority of time this reply rears its useless head is when someone is figuratively, not literally something that is relevant to most people. So from the very beginning they're creating a strawman simply out of their own inability to enter the very beginning of the debate, which is almost never presented in a literal, absolute sense, unless that point i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/01/18 09:22 PM |
| 4 | Q4MEN: If theoretically a woman's love is based off of tingles, is a man's love based off of logic?In general yes, although I don't even think that most men would consider their love or attraction to be logical. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/01/18 01:29 PM |
| 1 | I only need women for sexual satisfaction. Why does that make me a misogynist?Question, I never really got the difference between male teasing and female shit testing, any idea ? It depends on the kind of male teasing. Shit testing is all about testing boundaries and seeing if he'll stand up for himself. (I happen to think it's wrong to see it as all that intentional or planned out, but regardless, the important part is that he "passes" by not being a pushover.) I can see parallels in a lot of the teasing that happens between men, like giving the new guy in a group some s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/01/18 03:52 AM |
| 2 | QForMen: What are females suppose to call males “creepy” or “creep” for?No, but all three are negative descriptions of someone. Why is one special? "Boring" and "pedantic" don't carry nearly the same weight as "creepy", in my opinion. And I don't think people are advocating to never call someone creepy, but rather to understand the weight it has and not throw it around too easily. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/18 11:01 PM |
| 3 | Do BPers think overweight young females are average in look?I've been told by BP identifying users that being overweight is well within the average spectrum even for young women because that's how it is in the US and Canada where overweight young females are a sizeable minority if not even a majority. Presumably they're talking about the U.S. and Canada then. If you want to point out that it's different in other countries then that's fine, but it doesn't change anything about the average in the U.S. and Canada. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/01/18 06:53 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Violent Crime is all men’s fault, they need to fix it, and stop arguing with feminists.I ended up removing this thread. Your sarcastic and accusatory tone in writing the post really did not give me hope that you would seriously engage with people trying to change your view. Things like this: Whats stopping you from promoting information and starting private organizations about men’s health issues? Are feminists running into buildings slapping clipboards out of your hands? Oh you’re mad because you feel like women don’t utilize their own agency in shitty situations enough to your l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/18 05:34 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Violent Crime is all men’s fault, they need to fix it, and stop arguing with feminists.With regard to violence, would you accept a similar point made against, say, poor people or racial minorities? For example: Violent Crime is all the fault of minorities, they need to fix it, and stop arguing with whites. Violent Crime is all the fault of poor people, they need to fix it, and stop arguing with the middle or upper classes. There's a recurring problem in your other points: -Oh you’re mad not enough money/attention is paid to homeless men and men’s mental illness? Last time I checke… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/01/18 05:23 AM |
| 2 | Can we downvote comments that don't add to the conversation from either viewpoint?The downvote button is disabled on the mobile version of the sub. Here, since my word means so little to you. That looks pretty much the same as the full version, so maybe you're using the full version (due to your tablet screen having a pretty high resolution—Retina iPad?). That would explain why you don't have the downvote option (if the mobile version does have it). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/18 12:56 AM |
| 6 | Can we downvote comments that don't add to the conversation from either viewpoint?They'd rather stay mods and not rock the boat than rein in their unprofessional cancerous colleagues. I don't think I've ever gotten the sense that I'm under threat of being removed as a mod for criticizing other people's ideas or moderation choices or anything like that. The other mods have been way more cordial and easy-going than that (even the people whose world-view differs most from mine, like /u/cuittler). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/01/18 12:54 AM |
| 4 | How are men taught entitlement to women and sex?I think males just like females a lot, and there is some that do annoying narcissistic projections where they think that everything females do is for males, see for example: make-up, clothing choices etc. This is interesting. From my perspective, it's common among women to be really reluctant to acknowledge that anything they do related to their appearance is for men. If I took their indifference at their word, I'd have to think they aren't really that attracted to men at all. I find that pretty… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/01/18 08:12 PM |
| 1 | the "horror" displayed by men here of being "berated" on internet forumsSo? Millions of people voted for him and still like him. But the overall sentiment is clearly negative, and in fact noticeably more negative than any modern president. I don't think that warrants "Americans love him". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/18 08:56 PM |
| 2 | the "horror" displayed by men here of being "berated" on internet forumsHe clearly has dementia and Americans love him. Why do you say that "Americans love him"? "President Trump's Approval Rating Is Lower Than Any Modern President" A Washington Post-ABC News poll released Sunday found that Trump has a 37% approval rating about nine months into his time as president. That’s a lower number than other president’s approval ratings at the same time in their tenures over the course of seven decades of polling, according to the Post. With a 59% disapproval rating, Trump’s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/01/18 03:18 PM |
| 4 | Daily reminder that marriage is high class and divorce laws really aren't so badWhat if the lawyers know/believe that the judge will be biased? According to a survey commissioned by the Minnesota Supreme Court, pretty high numbers of lawyers know/believe this (though note that the results are rather old, from 1989, so the exact numbers might not apply anymore). 69% of male attorneys had come to the conclusion that judges always or often assume from the outset (i.e., before being presented with any evidence) that children belong with their mothers. 40% of the female attorney… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/01/18 01:01 AM |
| 8 | Daily reminder that marriage is high class and divorce laws really aren't so badCould the treatment of cases that go to court affect the outcome of cases that don't? If I know (or worry) that the courts will be biased against me, that weakens my position in a private settlement because I can't afford to have it go to court, while she can. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/18 08:42 PM |
| 1 | The Importance of Status between Men and WomenWhen I talk to non-binary people on a more person transgender level, something you wouldn't experience as a cis person, they don't dumb down their experiences like that and talk about their experiences with gender dysphoria. Could you explain then? Specifically in reference to the questions in my second paragraph. Because with all you've written there, it just sounds like you're trying to say "my identity trumps your identity, so I win". (While it seems unlikely that all of these people were jus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/18 01:12 AM |
| 1 | The Importance of Status between Men and WomenThe vast majority of gender non-binary people that I've seen (that's the term I've actually encountered, rather than "gender-neutral person") have justified it by pointing to gender roles or masculinity/femininity (or lack thereof). I don't even know what gender dysphoria would mean in this case. Presumably it's not about the body, in the same way that a transgender person would say they feel like they were born in the wrong body (and actually have a kind of body that would be right to point to)… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/01/18 12:43 AM |
| 2 | The Importance of Status between Men and WomenAssuming we're on the same page for what we mean by "gender-neutral person", perhaps he just doesn't think that not following gender roles (and not being particularly masculine or feminine) means that you don't have a gender (and need different pronouns). That's pretty reasonable: your gender isn't (and shouldn't be) determined by how masculine or feminine you are or how well you follow gender roles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/17 10:53 PM |
| 4 | The Importance of Status between Men and WomenMe neither. Definitely can't relate to seeing that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/17 10:18 PM |
| 3 | The Importance of Status between Men and Womengets triggered by gender neutral people. I've actually seen very little from Peterson on the people, whether transgender people or people who think they don't have a gender. What I've seen from him has been nearly all about the laws and policies. What specifically are you thinking of here? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/12/17 10:08 PM |
| – | Q4W: Are men wrong in assuming you're magical creatures?This is tagged as a question for women. Top-level replies should be from women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/12/17 02:40 PM |
| 4 | Q4RP: If women should surrender or submit to her man, who does her man submit to?God is still providing a codified set of rules rather than active management of the man's life though. That distinction is important for what's expected of him (there's less potential for micro-managing, and abuse isn't really a thing) and what the consequences of disobeying are (severe, but extremely delayed), and so I think that there's a fundamental difference between submitting to a person and "submitting to God". Also, the woman is expected to submit to a person and to God anyway. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/17 07:21 PM |
| 5 | Q4RP: If women should surrender or submit to her man, who does her man submit to?Yes, "in their world" God is real. But he's provided them a codified set of rules, rather than actively managing their life like a person that you submit to would be able to do. Unless of course they think that God is personally communicating to them and personally directing their life, but it's my understanding that this is not the norm. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/17 07:19 PM |
| 4 | Q4RP: If women should surrender or submit to her man, who does her man submit to?Submitting to a set of codified rules is really quite different than submitting to a person who actively manages your life. It's kind of like saying "yeah she submits to me, but I submit to the law of the United States so it all balances out". Except that he has substantially more leeway with his interpretation of the "law of God" than the law of the United States. Not to mention that presumably she's expected to submit not only to him, but also to God as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/17 07:01 PM |
| 4 | Q4RP: If women should surrender or submit to her man, who does her man submit to?You're right that I'm not looking at their beliefs in the same way that they are. However, I don't think my point is reliant on having a non-religious perspective. At the very least, religious people can recognize that they're submitting to a set of codified rules rather than an active manager of their life. (Unless they believe that God communicates with them personally and actively manages their life, but I don't think most believe this.) This is a fundamental difference and it has all sorts o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/17 06:57 PM |
| 8 | Q4RP: If women should surrender or submit to her man, who does her man submit to?Submitting to your own religious beliefs is quite different from submitting to another person's will, don't you think? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/17 05:54 PM |
| 4 | Is expecting a woman to be sexually exclusive treating her like property?I'm not sure I understand. Why would voluntarily entering into an agreement to be sexually monogamous mean that you're property? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/17 05:28 PM |
| 3 | Q4MEN: Would you rather have a stereotypically feminine or a stereotypically masculine woman?The stereotype is that women are much less intelligent than men, though. Is that really the stereotype of women? Not from what I see. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/12/17 10:27 PM |
| 2 | Q4BP: Why should we care this much about sexual assault?Yep, and the evidence is, in my opinion, quite strong. Here's the post you're probably thinking of, with eight studies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/17 11:36 PM |
| 3 | If almost 4% of US fathers are victims of paternity fraud, isn't this a large scale abuse against men?I don't think it's purposefully against men, it's just that you can't have the wrong mother! It's kind of like domestic violence, where one partner just has the capacity to do more damage. Except that here the asymmetry is even bigger. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/17 05:02 PM |
| 8 | "it's not the same"Yeah, that doesn't quite follow. If you want to argue that a double standard is justified, "men and women are different" isn't enough. You have to explain exactly what difference you're referring to and how it justifies the double standard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/17 04:57 PM |
| 3 | Possible solution to unwanted advances and sexual harassmentWill? No. Can? Yes, there's a very real chance. On many occasions I've seen the word "creepy" used and it was quite clear that the guy hadn't specifically done anything wrong (like not take "no" for an answer, etc.), and that the problem was that he was awkward or unattractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/12/17 04:48 PM |
| 6 | Creep shamingHim approaching and being rejected does (ever so slightly) increase the amount of suffering in the world, both on her end and on his end. But we have to distinguish between that and actually wronging someone. I think it's unlikely that he would approach if he knew she would say no. Some men are cavalier about hitting on everyone they see, not caring about whether they think there's a chance, but most men aren't like that. They don't want to go through rejection for no reason. Deep down I'm sure … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/17 10:58 PM |
| 4 | Possible solution to unwanted advances and sexual harassmentSo do you see just the mere action of messaging a woman on facebook being presented as creepy or when the messenger doesn't take no for an answer. I think it's entirely plausible for a man messaging a woman on Facebook and ask her out to be considered creepy, if she's not interested. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/17 03:13 PM |
| 26 | Creep shamingThere's nothing wrong with wanting people you find attractive to approach you and not wanting people you find unattractive to approach you. In fact that's basically what everyone wants (with some exceptions if they're already in a relationship). What's not reasonable is attacking them as if they've wronged you for approaching despite you not finding them attractive, and that's what you're doing by calling them a "creep". In response to your question "if someone wants to creep shame someone else,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/17 03:11 PM |
| 2 | Bitchiness is an honest signal of fitness, like a deer's antlers or a peacock's tail.If she's looking for short-term relationships, she benefits from 1) and 2). If she's into longer-term relationships, then 3) comes into play more. I don't think being polarizing and drawing attention from bitchiness offer much help in short-term relationships. The effect of her being physically attractive seems overwhelmingly more important. In terms of long-term relationships, again I don't think that "Getting Things Done", especially in the form that it's signaled by bitchiness, even comes clo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/12/17 02:43 PM |
| 6 | Bitchiness is an honest signal of fitness, like a deer's antlers or a peacock's tail.although idk that it’s “hard” to be a nice person when you’re hot (aka powerful), Right, I'd probably flip it around: it's easy to be a mean person when you're hot or powerful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/17 11:49 PM |
| 8 | Bitchiness is an honest signal of fitness, like a deer's antlers or a peacock's tail.I'm not sure I understand. When we're talking about them succeeding, we're talking about at dating, right? That's what I'm talking about (I originally quoted your sentence about their performance in the dating market). And we both see bitchiness as a negative on their success that's balanced out by something else. I think that other thing is physical attractiveness, while you think it's "Getting Shit Done". Except that I think her potential dating partners care notably more about her physical at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/17 10:38 PM |
| 6 | Bitchiness is an honest signal of fitness, like a deer's antlers or a peacock's tail.I agree with you that it's a handicap, and that your ability to succeed despite of it is basically tied to physical attractiveness. I don't think it works as a signal of physical attractiveness in the same sense that a Rolex or a Ferrari work as a signal of wealth though. Most importantly, physical attractiveness is very much apparent and there's not really much use in signalling it, certainly not with personality traits like bitchiness. You'll almost definitely learn that she's physically attra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/17 10:22 PM |
| 16 | Bitchiness is an honest signal of fitness, like a deer's antlers or a peacock's tail.Why do bitches often punch above their weight in the dating market? There's no pat explanation for why bitches often do well with dating and have no trouble finding attractive partners and even sustaining relationships with them. Do they punch above their weight? When I hear people talking about how bitchy women do well with men, I don't think of women whose bitchiness allows them to punch above their weight. I think of attractive women whose looks (and social standing) allow them to treat other… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/12/17 09:58 PM |
| 4 | Conflating unwanted advances with harassmentI really disagree. There are plenty of awkward and inexperienced people of both genders who'd be happy together but aren't together because neither of them is willing to put themselves forward and make a move. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/17 11:10 PM |
| 5 | Conflating unwanted advances with harassmentAre people seriously arguing the first unwanted advance (if we're excluding situations with awkward power dynamics, boss/employee) is harassment? There are people whose wording conflates unwanted advances with harassment. As I mentioned in my OP, I don't know the extent to which people are intentionally conflating these things (they actually believe that unwanted advances on their own are harassment), or just being careless in their wording. Or are you proposing that cases of actual, sustained h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/17 08:38 PM |
| 2 | Conflating unwanted advances with harassmentOne of the definitions of "sexual advance" I cite is "gestures made towards another person with the aim of gaining some sort of sexual favor or gratification". If you invite someone on a date and sex is one of your aims (even if romance is another one of your aims) then I'd classify it as a sexual advance. If a woman said "he made a sexual advance on me by asking me on a date", I don't think it would stand out as weird that she said that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/17 08:29 PM |
| 2 | Conflating unwanted advances with harassmentYeah, unless there are different incidents that I'm not aware of, I don't really understand why he's lumped in with the others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/17 08:27 PM |
| 2 | Conflating unwanted advances with harassmentIf I understand correctly, your issue is with the media referring to sexual harrassment as unwanted sexual advances, rather than the media referring to unwanted sexual advances as sexual harrassment. Basically, yes. A majority of the cases that I've read have legitimately been harassment (or abuse). If this is the right interpretation, then there's nothing incorrect about what they're saying. Sexual harrassment is a form of an unwanted sexual advance. Unwanted sexual advances is the umbrella ter… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/17 08:21 PM |
| 2 | Conflating unwanted advances with harassmentI link to five particular examples here (it's the URL at the top of my OP). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/17 07:32 PM |
| 6 | Conflating unwanted advances with harassmentYes, but being unwanted isn't what makes it wrong. Being unwanted when you know that it's unwanted makes it wrong. But I'd wager that most unwanted advances are not known to be wrong beforehand (most people don't want to get rejected so if they knew that rejection would be the outcome, they wouldn't try). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/17 06:24 PM |
| 5 | Conflating unwanted advances with harassmentThey use that terminology because it's prudent to do so. The reporters aren't the ones to determine if the action was assault or harassment, and don't know every detail. They simply report what the victim says, that Spacey made unwanted advances. Whether or not those advances were criminal is yet to be determined They frequently do use the term "sexual harassment" though, often alongside "unwanted sexual advances". One article that I give as an example in my link has this as a title: TV Reporter… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/17 06:21 PM |
| 2 | Conflating unwanted advances with harassmentI think that "sexual advance" is a broad enough term to include asking someone on a date, and that asking someone on a date and being rejected could easily count as an "unwanted sexual advance" because romantic interest usually includes sexual interest. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/17 06:15 PM |
| 6 | Conflating unwanted advances with harassmentBut that's the accurate description. It would also be accurate to say that Spacey's advances happened on a weekend (I think). But it would be strange if the statement said that "This isn't a coming out story about Spacey, but a story of survivorship by Anthony Rapp & those who speak out about [sexual advances that happen on the weekend]". Why would that be weird? Because the fact that they happened on the weekend isn't what makes them wrong. What makes them wrong is that the target was a 14 year… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/17 06:13 PM |
| 6 | Conflating unwanted advances with harassmentsounds like you want a new term invented for "awkward dude who asks a girl out and gets rejected" so nobody confuses those guys with Kevin Spacey. I don't see why it's necessary because I don't see that happening anyway but that's not my demographic. What I really want is just for people to stop referring to the Spacey, Weinstein, etc. cases as "unwanted sexual advances". The reason their advances were wrong isn't that they were unwanted (people make advances that end up being unwanted every day… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/17 06:03 PM |
| 10 | Conflating unwanted advances with harassmentI've yet to see any of these high profile cases being as minor as asking for a date, have you? I wasn't clear enough on this. With a few possible exceptions, I'm not saying that the alleged conduct in these high profile cases was actually benign. I'm saying that the language used to refer to that conduct ("unwanted sexual advances") does not refer to the part of the conduct that was actually wrong, and that it wrongly groups it together with normal conduct that is benign, which sends the wrong m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/17 06:02 PM |
| 8 | Conflating unwanted advances with harassmentTo your first paragraph, that's basically what I'm saying. An unwanted sexual advance on its own is not harassment. To become harassment would require some other factor: not taking "no" for an answer, linking acceptance of the advance to job prospects or job security, etc. My problem is that I've seen a number of people and outlets that (intentionally or just through carelessness) wrongly conflate unwanted advances with harassment even though they aren't the same thing. To your second paragraph,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/12/17 05:35 PM |
| 1 | What toxic femininity isThere are hardly any reason to cry except to communicate to others. Crying is always a call for help, kids and adults. Crying is always to emphasize on yourself, to recenter the attention on you, to make your problems look bigger. This is not exactly an objective and stoic way of communicating, it's biased, deceptive and manipulative, it's meant to be that way, by definition. It's probably not just about that (I think there are also plausible links to stress relief) but yes, communicating distre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/11/17 01:23 AM |
| 1 | What toxic femininity isThat's strange. Removed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/17 02:08 PM |
| 2 | What toxic femininity isBut these are still facts: it is your subconscious who took the decision that making you crying was the best reaction to the given situation. [...] And this is not a body response to a stimuli, it's the result of a situation analysis from your brain, it's a decision you've made unconsciously. As I understand it, women have more shallow tear ducts on average, meaning that physically the threshold for what will make them cry is just lower. I think it's also quite plausible that women are subconsci… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/11/17 01:57 PM |
| 1 | Maybe rape culture is a thing?I was just explaining that just because the term was originally coined for the West doesn't mean that people can't think that it applies more to other places in the world. However personally I wouldn't use the term "rape culture" to describe the Western world at all. (At least overall. There can be sub-cultures that the term applies to.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/17 08:40 PM |
| 1 | Maybe rape culture is a thing?If you think we in the west live in a rape culture then feel free to say so. This is just other people who disagree that it applies in the west, and they think the term is more applicable elsewhere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/11/17 04:28 PM |
| 7 | Maybe rape culture is a thing?Rape culture was a term coined to talk about victim blaming in The United States, it has nothing to do with The Middle East or Africa. That might be the reason the term was coined, but it doesn't mean that people can't decide that they think it applies more to other places in the world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/17 09:23 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: What % of TRP voted for Trump?Hillary even worse than him. I understand that there are so many objections to Clinton, but Trump seems unique in his recklessness and complete lack of interest in policy. If I could vote in U.S. elections it would have been a hard choice but I really don't think I could have voted for him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/17 01:24 AM |
| 2 | Women being less happy despite women's rights doesn't mean muchYou're just describing a slower rate of increase today, rather than an actual decrease today. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/17 04:23 PM |
| 8 | In theory, equal opportunities for women is a good idea, but in practice, it isn'tThat's funny, I read your entire comment before I realized that it wasn't about men adjusting their standards to be okay with having a high-earning wife. If a man doesn't want to have a wife who earns more than he does, I think it's more likely because he's worried that she'll resent him, won't be attracted to him, or won't respect him rather than because he specifically finds women with low incomes to be desirable. It's more about what she wants (or what he thinks she wants) rather than what he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/17 03:17 AM |
| 2 | Which tenet of red pill 'theory' do Blue Pillers have the most/strongest disagreements withYou think that average men don't have a chance? What do you mean by that, specifically? It doesn't seem true to me, since average men frequently have girlfriends. Also, while I'm in favour of getting rid of affirmative action on the grounds that I don't like discrimination (especially official, institutionalized discrimination), I'm not at all comfortable with specifically trying to make women dependent on men in an effort to help men get relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/17 04:59 PM |
| 4 | Which tenet of red pill 'theory' do Blue Pillers have the most/strongest disagreements withI just think that if we're going to make an argument "if you won't fix X then I won't fix Y" then it should at least include some discussion on what exactly they could do to fix X, and whether that's reasonable to expect. If the answer is "it's not reasonable to expect them to fix X, but it's also not reasonable to expect us to fix Y" then the point seems convoluted. Why not just start by explaining that it's not reasonable to expect you to fix Y? That's really the main point. What happens with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/17 03:59 AM |
| 1 | The Red Pill teaches men what attraction looks like from a female perspective - is there anyone who disagrees with this sole aspect and why?Agreed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/17 03:39 AM |
| 1 | The Red Pill teaches men what attraction looks like from a female perspective - is there anyone who disagrees with this sole aspect and why?They often have gang rape scenes and stuff like that. But keep in mind it's a fantasy. It's not something a woman actually wants to happen to her. Certainly not, but someone's fantasies (almost by definition) tell us something about what they find arousing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/17 03:26 AM |
| 3 | Which tenet of red pill 'theory' do Blue Pillers have the most/strongest disagreements withWomen insist that "we don't have to try to fix the dating market" just because many men are miserable and lonely to the point of being suicidal. What exactly would "fixing the dating market" involve? I seriously can't think of anything aside from them lowering their standards or having pity sex, which would please the men who get the pity sex but I think a lot of men do not like the idea of having a relationship with a woman who had a bunch of pity sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/17 03:12 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: Is debating TRP pointless?Now if those black lives matter people were talking within their group and come up with useful but false strategies like "always avoid the police", "never say anything to them" that's another story. You can then enter their space and talk about how that's wrong because despite some there having lost 3 friends to racist policemen there actually are many who won't do that. I don't think that's really comparable. "Always avoid the police" is advice that can be good or bad, not a claim about the wor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/10/17 03:12 AM |
| 4 | Discussion: Is debating TRP pointless?Imagine you encountered a bunch of Black Lives Matter activists making claims about being black in America that were exaggerated or downright wrong (black people living in constant fear of police, rampant police killing of black people for sport, etc.) and you challenged them on their claims. Would you be OK if they replied "it doesn't matter whether that stuff is true, it's useful to draw attention to the poor state of blacks in America"? Would you think that the real concern is the utility of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/10/17 03:35 PM |
| 2 | Why is the woman always believed over the man when there is a conflict?I wasn't the one who removed it, but I assume it was done for being low effort and not including anything aside from the title (or for the title being a leading question). If you want to repost it under a neutral title (e.g. "Q4BP: Believing women over men in relationship conflicts") and include the study I linked (and a short explanation, copied and pasted from my post if you want) then I wouldn't have a problem, and I don't think the other mods would either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/17 09:43 PM |
| 4 | Women Will Never Care About Men's Problems in the Sexual and Relationship Marketplaces. The Best Way For Men To Address This is to Stop Caring About Women's Problems in Society.Sorry for the delayed reply! My solution should be clear from my first two responses below. First: I agree that we shouldn't give women such a big bonus (or even any bonus) in terms of caring about their safety/well-being. And I do believe it's possible to make progress in that. But this doesn't mean completely disregarding their safety and not caring even if they're abused, raped, or brutalized. Unless you also don't care at all for men, but I don't think that's the case. Second: Women's dating… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/17 09:33 PM |
| 10 | Discussion: Women in computer scienceI'm not even talking about bachelor's degrees (which is why I referred to boys/girls rather than men/women). I'm talking about performance in school, before university. Here's a study showing that. Here's a summary of another study: But a review of 308 studies involving more than 1.1 million boys and girls who were students from 1914 to 2011 blows apart that idea. For 100 years, according to the data that included students from 30 countries, girls have been outperforming boys in all of their cla… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/17 08:56 PM |
| 5 | Discussion: Women in computer scienceMost men that end up in STEM programs in college had 12 years of primary education wherein they were known as the smart kid, and had women bat their eyelashes at them and hope that was enough to get free help at the best, and the smart kid to do their work for them at the worst. Every group project wherein the teacher conveniently assigned them the stupid but pretty girl so the smart kid could do the whole project added to this natural distrust for women in academics. Generally speaking, girls m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/17 08:12 PM |
| 5 | Why is the woman always believed over the man when there is a conflict?How do you know that this is true? For all we know this is nothing more than a construct of your fantasy. How true do you think it is? 100% of the cases? 90%? 60? I have indirect evidence. This study looks at 100 actions/behaviours and finds that 42 of them are more likely to be seen as abusive if done by a man (just 1 was more likely to be seen as abusive if done by a woman). The subjects were actually psychologists, so regular people might have an even larger bias. Seeing someone as abusive me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/17 07:32 PM |
| 6 | Q4Men: do you hate monogamy and long for polygyny? Do men resent having only one partner?If I thought she was genuinely OK with it and genuinely not interested in it herself then I wouldn't see it as unfair or have a problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/17 07:23 PM |
| 20 | QForRPMen: what is supposed to happen if people start to care about or understand the male “problems” in the sexual marketplace?I'd like to see people be more understanding about men who approach or ask out women who end up not being interested. I've seen women (men often join in too, when they're in the conversations) call them creeps, put them down, make fun of them for thinking they had a chance, etc. It usually doesn't happen to their face but it will get around and men will be aware that this happens. It also seems common nowadays to equate "unwanted attention" or "unwanted advances" with harassment. All of this mak… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/17 05:11 PM |
| 20 | Q4Men: do you hate monogamy and long for polygyny? Do men resent having only one partner?The enjoyment I'd gain from being able to have sex with other people on the side would easily be cancelled out by the pain of having my girlfriend be able to have sex with other people on the side. Of course I wouldn't encounter this problem if I was allowed to do it and she wasn't, but I can't think of any reasonable argument for why I should be allowed to do it but she can't. Thus, monogamy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/17 04:46 PM |
| 4 | Women Will Never Care About Men's Problems in the Sexual and Relationship Marketplaces. The Best Way For Men To Address This is to Stop Caring About Women's Problems in Society.The harmful altruistic behavior of men does not serve them at all, and by opening up mens eyes to this, the natural balance is formed in the relationship between men and women. I don't know what you mean here. Could you explain? This is not directly relevant to the OP. This is some kind of image that pops into your head whenever you discuss a subject similar to this. Try to stay on point. He didn't specify what response from women would satisfy him. Instead of just asking and waiting for a reply… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/17 03:57 PM |
| 7 | Women Will Never Care About Men's Problems in the Sexual and Relationship Marketplaces. The Best Way For Men To Address This is to Stop Caring About Women's Problems in Society.Women can either have the protected roles or have equal rights. If you try to have your cake and eat it too, you will destroy society (as is happening). But of course, you women would never learn that equal rights must mean equal responsibility. You choose to get wrapped up in "muh gender roles" but you won't ever accept your TRUE gender role. What are you talking about, /u/BokehClasses? I'm a man, and a consistent critic of the fact that we have such a protective attitude towards women. I don't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/10/17 02:38 PM |
| 54 | Women Will Never Care About Men's Problems in the Sexual and Relationship Marketplaces. The Best Way For Men To Address This is to Stop Caring About Women's Problems in Society.I have some responses to different parts of this. First, I think your "women don't care about men's problems" is a misinterpretation of "people don't care about men's problems (as much as women's problems)". Our society takes a protective attitude towards women, being generally more concerned about women's safety and well-being (mentally/emotionally and physically). It's strongly been my experience that this is something that both genders have their own role in. So (for the most part) any sort o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/17 08:42 PM |
| 2 | The Red Pill is simply democratising intimacy.I've removed this post for lack of content in the body. You can repost the same topic with 2-3 sentences explaining what you mean if you want. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/10/17 01:58 AM |
| 6 | Let's discuss the notion that men "stifle their emotions" specifically because of societal pressure & no other important reasonIt's quite clear to me at least that most people tolerate crying in women much more than crying in men. Would you agree or disagree with that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/10/17 01:01 PM |
| 1 | Update: Forum on FeminismYep I know you didn't say that. What I said was that what you said didn't have meaning, because there was never a time in which it was considered ok for men to wear women's clothing. What I said is that women's clothing freedom is a relatively recent phenomenon, which means that its cause must be something relatively recent too. I don't see how this "doesn't have meaning", and I don't see how this relies on it being OK for men to wear women's clothing. I said "femininity has been seen as inferio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/17 09:01 PM |
| 1 | Update: Forum on FeminismThat's not gender in the same sense that we use it in our culture. If you want us to switch to a different concept like that then you have to deal with the fact that boys will have to suppress their interest in "girl things" if they want to remain as boys. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/17 01:31 PM |
| 1 | Update: Forum on FeminismI never said it was considered OK for men to dress as women. I said that it was also extremely controversial for women to wear men's clothing. Perhaps I didn't explain correctly what I meant, so I'll try again. It's currently the case that women have much more leeway in gendered clothing (and other gender roles more broadly). But this wasn't always the case. It's a relatively recent phenomenon, and thus its cause would have to be something that changed relatively recently as well. If you think w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/17 01:28 PM |
| 1 | Update: Forum on FeminismDoesn't it make more sense to base someones gender status on traits one can actually perceive, like the way the dress, act and identity instead of something that only a doctor can actually measure like their chromosomes? Setting aside how you identify, I'd say that how you dress and act doesn't determine your gender. Otherwise a boy who "dresses and acts like a girl" is now a girl. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/17 03:44 PM |
| 5 | How do we define average?Is an average person a 5/10? A lot of people think this must necessarily be the case because 5 is in the middle but that does not line up with how I see people actually use the 1–10 scale (particularly men, because I don't see women using it often enough to get as good of a sense of how they do/would use it). I think the average is more of a 6 or a 7, at least when rating people of their own age group. I definitely do not see an equal number of ratings below 5 and above 5 given. Maybe if they we… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/17 03:12 PM |
| 8 | Update: Forum on FeminismHaving male privilege doesn't mean that they can't face any problem. Intersectionality is about how everyone is privileged and oppressed in some regards. A black man faces issues that a white woman doesn't experience, a gay man faces issues that a straight man doesn't, poor men face issues that rich women don't face, etc Intersectionality means also taking into account factors like race, class, and sexual orientation, rather than saying anything different about gender itself. So men can be "oppr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/17 02:00 PM |
| 11 | Update: Forum on FeminismIn addition, 100 years ago it was extremely controversial for women to wear men's clothing. If the reason that (now) women can wear men's clothing while men can't wear women's clothing is that femininity is seen as inferior, then we have to say that femininity only started to be seen as inferior in the past 100 years. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/10/17 01:39 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Being attractive makes up for any misogynistic, racist, or otherwise unattractive personality traits that BP claims to "turn women off".That's lower than I realized. Still, macho blue collar people are a subset of blue collar people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/17 01:16 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Being attractive makes up for any misogynistic, racist, or otherwise unattractive personality traits that BP claims to "turn women off".Lol these foreign and California nerds have never met macho blue collar white, black or hispanic guys in their lives. It's like they have no idea what men OR women are like Macho blue collar people aren't the only kind of people or the default kind of people, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/17 04:01 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Being attractive makes up for any misogynistic, racist, or otherwise unattractive personality traits that BP claims to "turn women off".Just go shoot up some meth, that can't be degenerate because Hitler did it. It's different if your doctor does it for you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/10/17 03:38 AM |
| 35 | Q4All: What are your views on women?I know it's a cliché but most women I know are just regular people and not that different from men, outside of a few key areas: sexuality, emotionality, and interests. Aside from that, in the manosphere or pillsphere I often come across proposed differences between men and women that I just can't relate to. It's often said that women are less loyal, less good friends, have less empathy, are less ambitious, and I don't really see that in my own life. There are also some areas where it looks like … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/10/17 04:17 PM |
| 9 | CMV: TRP by saying "Women are children" actually teaches guys to respect womenDo you agree with it, though? Would you classify the woman as respecting the man? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/17 05:15 PM |
| 18 | CMV: TRP by saying "Women are children" actually teaches guys to respect womenIf a woman treated her boyfriend or husband as a subordinate or inferior, I don't think anyone here would even consider saying that she respects him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/17 04:44 PM |
| 3 | How rampant is cheating exactly?If your moral system allows breaking of agreements then OK. If you just don't care about morality then also, OK. Just don't make an agreement and then pretend that you didn't make an agreement because "agreements don't exist" to give you an excuse. Own up to it. "I agree to give you this car if you give me $2,000" is a very clear example of an agreement. You can break the agreement by taking the money and running (there's no cosmic law forcing you to uphold your end of the deal) but you still ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/17 04:42 PM |
| 3 | Dating isn't a MeritocracyGoes back to the "personality" cope. What exactly am I "coping" with? I've found in my life that charisma is one factor in appealing to women. I'm basing this on my own direct experiences and on observations of other people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/17 04:28 PM |
| 1 | Dating isn't a MeritocracyI strongly with that. Many important things can't be changed, but many important things can be changed, including one's physique, social status, and charisma. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/17 04:08 PM |
| 3 | Dating isn't a MeritocracyThere's this common misconception within normal circles that if you work hard enough you will be able to find a partner. I don't think that meritocracy is the word you're looking for. Wikipedia: is a political philosophy stating that power should be vested in individuals almost exclusively based on ability and talent Note that this is not about how much effort or work you put in, it's about your ability and talent, or more vaguely it's about value. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/17 03:57 PM |
| 2 | How rampant is cheating exactly?If you want to make agreements and then be deceitful and break your word, go ahead. But own up to the fact that you made an agreement and you decided to break it. Don't rationalize it away by denying that agreements are even a thing (after making an agreement—if it's not a thing, don't make one!). Don't describe it in an obscure reductionist way—it's not "I made some sounds and then I did what I wanted", it's "I made an agreement and then decided to break it". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/10/17 02:25 PM |
| 10 | How rampant is cheating exactly?People can and do make agreements. Many people enter into agreements to be monogamous. The fact that non-human animals do not make agreements does not change this. Non-human animals also don't have language, but that doesn't change the fact that we're using language to communicate right now. Your post sounds like a way to rationalize breaking agreements that you've made. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/17 10:30 PM |
| 11 | How rampant is cheating exactly?"Cheating" is a socially constructed term. It's breaking an agreement you entered into. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/10/17 10:06 PM |
| 2 | Q4Women: How do you feel about male and female Anti-Feminists?That does fit into what I was asking for then. Thanks! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/17 11:21 PM |
| 2 | Q4Women: How do you feel about male and female Anti-Feminists?You described it in terms of men being more capable, which is how you originally described it, and which sounds like a positive attitude towards men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/17 11:10 PM |
| 3 | Q4Women: How do you feel about male and female Anti-Feminists?Again, you're describing it entirely in terms of negative attitudes towards women harming men. Do you think that any negative attitudes towards men play a role in this discrimination against men? Like that men are less moral, that we should have less compassion for them, etc? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/17 11:01 PM |
| 4 | Q4Women: How do you feel about male and female Anti-Feminists?You've taken discrimination against men and turned it around to be entirely about negative attitudes towards women. Do you think that any negative attitudes towards men play a role in this discrimination against men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/10/17 10:43 PM |
| 4 | META: How many of us regulars actually want a low-moderation subreddit, and will post on it?What are the results? People having to debate ideas rather than personally attacking each other? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/17 09:44 PM |
| 6 | META: How many of us regulars actually want a low-moderation subreddit, and will post on it?I'm not just interested in how much moderation there is, I'm interested in what is moderated. You talk about controlled, restricted "debate" but the moderation here is primarily is to ensure civility and avoid personal attacks. I'm fine with that. We have a few banned topics (incels and race), but aside from those, this subreddit is basically anything goes when it comes to being able to express your ideas and opinions (at least genuinely held ones—we do remove trolls, i.e. people we have good re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/10/17 06:17 PM |
| 5 | What is the "Blue Pill?"It wasn't all that clear that you were making such a distinction between the concept and the subreddit. But now that you've made that clear, it's not clear where exactly you're getting this idea of "Red Pill" (separate from the subreddit) from. What exactly made you think "there is something called 'Red Pill' and it encompasses physical reality"? For example, one might get the concept of "Red Pill" in the sense of "seeing the world for how it is" from The Matrix, which was an early (or the first… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/17 11:38 PM |
| 4 | What is the "Blue Pill?"In the general sense, "The Red Pill" encompasses all of physical reality - everything from physical matter of the largest scale to the most microscopic in size. That being the case, "The Blue Pill" encompasses all things conceptual, abstract and seemingly unobservable. To be more concise, The Blue Pill is the reality of how or why physical matter interacts or behaves in its environment. This has spawned multiple philosophical views, the most grand of them being the idea of a "God" or "gods." You… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/17 11:33 PM |
| 8 | What is the "Blue Pill?"You said that it encompasses all of physical reality. All of physical reality is part of TRP. I also interpreted it that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/17 11:19 PM |
| 1 | Men, would you LTR a woman who didn't shave her legs and underarms? Women, would you/do you not shave?That's a common saying ("rape is about power, not sex") but I'm skeptical. Do asexual people commit rape as often as everyone else? Does being straight vs. gay really have no effect on whether a person rapes a man or a woman? I'm not buying it. I think that power/dominance is a common component but I don't think it's all there is to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/10/17 01:10 PM |
| 3 | Do pictures of black love put white racists on suicide watch?Where are you going to create your country in North America? The U.S. state with the highest black population is Mississippi, so maybe there. But then the white, Asian, etc. people who live there would say "why should we go to [whatever other state] when we are Mississippian?". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/17 04:44 PM |
| 1 | Oilpainter77A few days ago? That was him? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/17 12:07 AM |
| 7 | The purpose of this subreddit is for people to hurt themselves - attacking other people hurts YOU far more than the object of our aggression.when I realized that no matter how much I dislike /u/sublimemongrel, Of all the people here you could could pick to hate, you pick her? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/17 01:59 AM |
| 2 | Oilpainter77Wasn't he the one who wanted to ban fraternities and athletics at universities because those men have more than their "fair share" of the sex on campus? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/17 12:49 AM |
| 2 | Would letting each race have their own ethno state help society and relationships as a whole?How are you going to convince tens of millions of people to voluntarily move? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/10/17 12:02 AM |
| 0 | 2nd Amendment gun people piss me off because they are trying to play victim just like the feminists.not to be pedantic, but it is a natural right vouchsafed by the constituion. the constitution doesnt grant rights That's how the authors thought of it, but that perspective doesn't make sense to me, at least as I understand it. How exactly do we know that owning a gun is a right that is "natural" or "unalienable" or "endowed by the creator", while owning an ICBM is not? It might seem like a crazy comparison but it's genuinely not clear. And it all relies on an assumption that our rights are obje… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/17 03:05 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Good men are not available for all good women, yet these women are still judged by society.Do you believe that there are more "good women" than "good men"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/17 02:35 AM |
| 1 | Humor, popularity and getting into relationshipsI agree, something has to be wrong in one's head to make a serious reply during purge week. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/17 02:23 AM |
| 3 | 2nd Amendment gun people piss me off because they are trying to play victim just like the feminists.Well, playing the victim means the 2nd amendment gun people place a higher priority on just having guns than they do on having guns to save lives. Do all cases of prioritizing one thing over another count as playing the victim? If I place a higher priority on free speech than on people's "right" to not get offended, am I playing the victim? I understand if you think their priorities are wrong, but the "playing the victim" criticism isn't strong in my opinion. yeah, that's the normal talking poin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/17 02:19 AM |
| 3 | Humor, popularity and getting into relationshipsBeing funny is being charismatic, which as far as I'm concerned plays a major role in a man's success with women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/17 01:31 AM |
| 2 | 2nd Amendment gun people piss me off because they are trying to play victim just like the feminists.What specifically do you mean that they're "trying to play victim"? I don't really understand American gun culture or why so many people have such an affection for guns, but setting that aside, it's a right given to them in their constitution and they want to protect that right. They want to keep their liberal gun laws. Maybe they're wrong for that but I don't know how "playing the victim" comes in. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/10/17 01:28 AM |
| 8 | indian incels, can you just admit that you consider yourself celibate because you cant date 5'8" blonde white shiksa hb9 goddesses, not because you couldnt get an indian girl that you just dont want"Involuntarily unhappy about their love/sex life" includes a very large number of people, including plenty of women, even quite attractive women. Are you comfortable referring to all of them as incels? Maybe you meant to add "... and are single and not having sex" to your description. That would narrow it down to fewer people but the same point still applies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/17 11:08 PM |
| 8 | indian incels, can you just admit that you consider yourself celibate because you cant date 5'8" blonde white shiksa hb9 goddesses, not because you couldnt get an indian girl that you just dont wantSure, no disagreements here. But again my point isn't that people who pick being single over someone they don't find attractive are doing something wrong, and that they should have a relationship for the sake of it—my point is that I don't know at what point these people count as "involuntarily celibate". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/17 10:56 PM |
| 9 | indian incels, can you just admit that you consider yourself celibate because you cant date 5'8" blonde white shiksa hb9 goddesses, not because you couldnt get an indian girl that you just dont wantThat's fine, people who prefer being alone to the dating options that they currently have available to them are making a valid choice. But at what point is such a person considered "involuntarily celibate" and at what point are they not? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/17 10:09 PM |
| 6 | indian incels, can you just admit that you consider yourself celibate because you cant date 5'8" blonde white shiksa hb9 goddesses, not because you couldnt get an indian girl that you just dont wantOh please. I'm tired of attractive men and women with the "holier than thou" attitude towards us. Just like how you want to date someone you find physically attractive, why can't we? I don't think anyone's suggesting that it's wrong to only want to date people you find attractive, but at what point is it wrong to call yourself an incel because you can't find someone who meets your standards? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/10/17 09:46 PM |
| 2 | A red piller, a blue piller, a MGTOW, a WGTOW, a feminist, a RPW, an incel, a MRP and a black/purple/pink piller walk into a bar...It depends, do purge rules apply in the bar? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/17 10:47 PM |
| 3 | you can still post normal PPD content during purge week you knowYeah, but are you going to get normal responses? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/10/17 03:19 PM |
| 1 | If you could chose would you live your life as a man or a woman and what's your reason why?I'm curious too, but it being permanent (and a large change) means that my default choice is to stick with what's familiar. For context, I don't think overall there's a clear cut "life is better as this gender". I can think of some things in my life that would be better as a woman and some things that would be worse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/17 06:48 PM |
| 1 | If you could chose would you live your life as a man or a woman and what's your reason why?Right, it assumes some sort of "soul" that would make this new person still "you" and that view doesn't stand up to scrutiny, but it's an interesting question regardless. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/17 06:38 PM |
| 1 | If you could chose would you live your life as a man or a woman and what's your reason why?I assume OP means that you're living as an entirely different person regardless, but you're choosing whether that entirely different person is a man or a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/17 06:34 PM |
| 1 | If you could chose would you live your life as a man or a woman and what's your reason why?If the hypothetical choice you're giving us is permanent, I'll stick with what I know, which is being a man. But if your hypothetical was an opportunity to temporarily see what it's like to be a woman then I'd definitely be curious enough to try it. I find gender interesting (how it affects you internally and how it affects how other people treat you). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/17 06:28 PM |
| 2 | Are “cis” men who allow their sexuality to be co-opted by trans-activists the REAL sissies?It's also an indisputable fact that some people who are born into their biological sex are unhappy with it and are much more comfortable to identify as the other gender. There's no contradiction there, at all, unless you think that people who ideologically want to break down rigid gender roles in society somehow would be happy to leave trans people in the lurch. We have to look specifically at why they say they feel uncomfortable with their gender. Some say they feel uncomfortable with their bod… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/17 03:44 PM |
| 1 | [Q4Men] Do you make a meaningful contribution to housework?For some reason I had a childless couple in mind, but yes, taking care of children absolutely counts. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/09/17 03:41 PM |
| 3 | Are “cis” men who allow their sexuality to be co-opted by trans-activists the REAL sissies?The idea behind multiple genders is that gender is a continuum that our brain physiology falls on; since our society has two sets of rules for how people should act and look, our brains have a hardware structure that tells us which rules to follow. What specifically is on a continuum, though? And are those things a result of gender, or are they what determines your gender? Height for example is on a continuum, but height is a result of gender, rather than something that determines your gender. M… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 08:44 PM |
| 11 | Are “cis” men who allow their sexuality to be co-opted by trans-activists the REAL sissies?Are gender stereotypes bullshit, and a boy who wears dresses and plays with girls toys still a boy, or is he a trans girl. If he's a trans girl based on that, doesn't that just reinforce gender stereotypes? The idea that not fitting into your gender role is a good reason to consider yourself transgender is something I see a lot, and I have no idea how it makes sense to anyone who's thought about it for more than 10 seconds. Gender is not the same thing as gender roles! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 07:50 PM |
| 16 | [Q4Men] Do you make a meaningful contribution to housework?Could I suggest some tweaks to the question to make the answers more informative? First, change "both working full-time" to "both working the same number of hours" because full-time is anything above a certain number of hours. If one person works the minimum to be counted as full-time and the other person works more, an equal split of work at home wouldn't be fair even though they both "work full-time". Second, in addition to housework we should include yard work and work in the garage (for peop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/09/17 01:26 PM |
| 3 | cmv: The looks part of dating isn't just about physical attractiveness in a vacuum, but also about how 2 people look togetherI don't think average people are usually with models (or people who have model-level looks), but primarily because the models don't want to be with the average people rather than the other way around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/17 08:15 PM |
| 9 | cmv: The looks part of dating isn't just about physical attractiveness in a vacuum, but also about how 2 people look togetherLikewise, I like looking at male models but I would prefer to date someone who's more of my looks match than a 10/10. People can say this and maybe it's true for them but overall it's very clear to me that someone with model looks would have more success than an average person in approaching average people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/17 06:23 PM |
| 2 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?What's the difference between "they were targeted for their gender" and "they were targeted for a trait that they have because of their gender"? It sounds like you're just giving a justification for why they targeted men. It's like saying "women weren't excluded from [whatever] because they were women, they were excluded because they can get pregnant". Basically every women's issue could be worded like that as well. Older men/men in certain professions weren't sent - so it's not as though all me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/17 01:19 PM |
| 1 | What behaviors do men tolerate in women that women would never tolerate in men?My mom is a SAHM and all her kids are adults and she works harder than me and I work full time. She spent all day gardening our backyard. Unless she's harvesting enough food to actually make a large dent in her family's food needs, it sounds like a hobby (like playing video games) instead of a job (like taking care of children). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/17 03:50 AM |
| 2 | What behaviors do men tolerate in women that women would never tolerate in men?As a lawyer, what about predominant aggressor doctrines? Where the person who's arrested is determined by criteria like these: Offensive and defensive injuries The seriousness of injuries received by each party Threats made by a party against the other or a family member or a pet Whether a party acted in self-defense or in the defense of another The height and weight of the parties Which party has the potential to seriously injure the other party Any history of domestic violence between the part… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/17 03:40 AM |
| 1 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?I don't really understand what you mean. I think we see this phenomenon very differently. I don't see it as a protective attitude flowing from men to women, I see basically everyone (men and women) taking a protective attitude towards women and caring more about their lives. This doesn't have to be the case, at least not to the extent we take it where we literally care more about women's lives than men's lives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/17 03:22 AM |
| 2 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?They were conscripted because they were men. You can say it was the right thing to do or justified, but they were indeed targeted on account of their gender. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/17 03:06 AM |
| 1 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?I referred to "a protective attitude towards women" in the comment that you replied to, and you ignored it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/09/17 03:02 AM |
| 1 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?I don't think that the protective attitude that most people have towards women is reasonable. It's much larger than could possibly be justified by the physical strength difference between men and women. There's no good reason in the modern day that women's deaths should be considered much more tragic than men's, for example. You might say that this is biologically ingrained in us and I think that's partially correct, but I also think that cultures can encourage or discourage it and thus get more… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 11:14 PM |
| 3 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?I'm not saying no man has ever been denied rights, I'm saying they haven't been denied rights because they are men. Conscription is a violation of their rights and it's done because they are men. The fact that some men could use their class to get out of it doesn't change that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 11:03 PM |
| 1 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?peasant men didn't have fewer rights than peasant women. That's not answering my question about protective attitudes, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 11:02 PM |
| 4 | If TRP is for the empowerment of men, why are TRP then hating on feminism for doing the same for women? Isn’t it hypocritical?peasant women weren't protected or free of responsibility. Compared to peasant men, though? Responsibility I can't comment on, but a protective attitude towards women (which doesn't mean stopping everything bad from happening to them, only being more protective to them than to their male counterparts in the same class/race/etc.) is pretty darn common throughout history. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 01:53 PM |
| 1 | CMV: To some guys, its best to stop fighting an uphill battle and move on...You're the one arguing for that. You can't reasonably see someone agree with you and quip back "how constructive". That just means your own argument in the first place wasn't constructive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/09/17 01:41 PM |
| 1 | Women Initiate Divorce Much More Than Men, Here's WhyThis would be great if not for the fact that both parents would do their best to coach or manipulate the child to pick them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/17 10:41 PM |
| 14 | Women Initiate Divorce Much More Than Men, Here's WhyI think that access to your children is probably more important than child support and alimony, but I could be wrong. It doesn't change my point though. This shows that when women are given better incentives to leave (whether that's access to children, or money), women leave more often. This doesn't tell us anything about women being less loyal. In fact, if women were exactly as loyal we'd expect them to leave more if given better incentives. Let's say the marketing team at your company is given… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/17 01:50 PM |
| 4 | Women Initiate Divorce Much More Than Men, Here's WhyTruth is a tool, the only reason we want to know it is because we think it gives us an edge, there is no real objective truth. Its not really lying, just overly generalizing or stereotyping for personal gain The world is objectively a certain way. We don't have perfect access to this truth because we're not omniscient or bias-free, but if you do know that something isn't true then "but there's no real objective truth!" is a really weak defense. It's like: "I said that Trump is a Nazi and a white… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/17 01:42 PM |
| 19 | Women Initiate Divorce Much More Than Men, Here's WhyExactly. From the book Legalizing Misandry, citing economists Margaret Brinig and Douglas Allen, who conducted a large study of divorce that analyzed all 46,000 cases in the year 1995 in four states. They dismissed violence and adultery as the main reason for the gender disparity in initiating divorce, finding custody as the major factor: The solution to the mystery, the factor that determined most cases, turned out to be the question of child custody. Women are much more willing to split up bec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/09/17 12:35 PM |
| 7 | Q4ALL: What will be the effect on intersexual dynamics/trends/markets if the gap between rich and poor continues to widen in America over the coming decades?What do you mean? Wealthy men tend to do quite well with women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/17 06:41 PM |
| 7 | Q4ALL: What will be the effect on intersexual dynamics/trends/markets if the gap between rich and poor continues to widen in America over the coming decades?Women aren't marrying men with resources at the moment? I don't think that's accurate at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/17 03:40 PM |
| 4 | Q4ALL: What will be the effect on intersexual dynamics/trends/markets if the gap between rich and poor continues to widen in America over the coming decades?Before 1950 there are three spikes in government spending that appear to happen after spikes in Gini. After 1950, government spending goes on a slow steady crawl upwards alongside a lowering in inequality between 1950 and 1970 and an increase after 1970. So I don't think the relationship is clear. I did some searching and the relationship appear to be ambiguous in general: We find evidence that government spending can have a negative impact on income inequality, but only when considering certain… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/17 03:39 PM |
| 7 | Discussion: Do Critics of the Google Manifesto not realize that a lot of their comments may actually support his positions?I'd feel uncomfortable working with someone who talked about how there are too many white people or too many men in the tech sector. (Compare it to how a Jewish person might be uncomfortable working with someone whose actual political beliefs included the idea that there are too many Jewish accountants or bankers or something.) And yet I don't know if that's a valid reason to fire them. What do you think? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/17 02:54 PM |
| 6 | Discussion: Do Critics of the Google Manifesto not realize that a lot of their comments may actually support his positions?If I said "the Nazis were awful but they had cool uniforms" I don't think it's fair to say that I was making "crass Nazi statements" (because that would sound like I was actually supporting Nazi ideas) or that I was "defending aspects of Nazism" (technically true but extremely misleading). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/17 02:34 PM |
| 7 | Q4ALL: What will be the effect on intersexual dynamics/trends/markets if the gap between rich and poor continues to widen in America over the coming decades?More government = bigger wealth gap. Do you have actual statistics to show this? Like a positive correlation between Gini coefficient and government spending as percentage of GDP? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/09/17 02:21 PM |
| 12 | Discussion: Do Critics of the Google Manifesto not realize that a lot of their comments may actually support his positions?Do you have a source on the claim he didn't circulate it? Everything I've read on the subject says he distributed it among his co-workers and it was shared outward from there. /u/Alth12 said that he didn't circulate it outside of the groups it was intended for, namely other Google employees. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/17 11:53 PM |
| 2 | The Only Thing That's Ever Worked for Me with WomenSince you've posted many replies now I've reapproved it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/17 11:51 PM |
| – | The Only Thing That's Ever Worked for Me with WomenI'm removing this thread because it's been up for at least a day and I don't think OP has responded even once. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/17 07:12 PM |
| 16 | The Only Thing That's Ever Worked for Me with WomenThe only thing, and it's reeeeeaaaalllllyyyy worked for me, is opening my heart, being vulnerable and authentic, and actually connecting on human terms. What happens if someone tries this and consistently fails? Should they keep trying the same thing, or should they try some sort of different approach or self-improvement to be more attractive? The only advantages I have are that I'm quite physically attractive even though I don't lift, that I'm confident enough to ask for what I want, that I'm s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/17 01:00 PM |
| 2 | Why does pop-Feminism think girls are in need of all these "encouragement/empowerment" messages and themes?Because they believe that we live in a culture of misogyny where women and femininity are hatred or devalued. Examples of this view: A “culture of misogyny” is “deeply-rooted in our society” (Kathleen Wynne, Premier of Ontario). “We live in a culture of casual misogyny” (Megan Leslie, former deputy leader, New Democratic Party in Canada). We live in a “patriarchal misogynistic society” (Tina Garnett, Equity Committee Coordinator, York University). “Misogyny runs so deep in this society […] all t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/17 12:53 PM |
| 3 | Benevolent SexismSome capacity/drive for violence is clearly a part of human nature, and yet some cultures can encourage or discourage violence and as a result get more or less of it. I think the same applies to other parts of human nature. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/09/17 12:02 AM |
| 1 | Q4Feminists Whats your biggest disagreement With the Men's rights movement?I don't think that the men in power are "representing" men, though. If you want to advocate for a 50:50 gender ratio in positions of political power then I don't really object to that, but the extent to which men in power care about men as a group is really overblown. In fact they're generally more concerned with women. Here in Canada there's been a massive outcry into the issue of "missing and murdered Aboriginal women" even though Aboriginal men are significantly more likely to be murdered or … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/17 09:46 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Career/Egalitarian women are insecureThe ongoing tension between US and South Korea. North Korea. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/17 12:43 PM |
| 1 | Q4Feminists Whats your biggest disagreement With the Men's rights movement?but feminism is way behind the existing numbers/power/influence of men. It seems odd to compare the numbers/power/influence of a social-political movement with the numbers/power/influence of a demographic group, because those two groups aren't really comparable. The first is a group of people who decided to come together with a shared goal, while the second is a group of people who are really just a bunch of individuals who were born the same way and don't have a shared goal or ideology. Also, i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/17 12:38 PM |
| 2 | Q4Feminists Whats your biggest disagreement With the Men's rights movement?It's not clear exactly what that entails though. Does that mean no longer opposing feminist ideas? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/17 12:25 PM |
| 8 | Q4Feminists Whats your biggest disagreement With the Men's rights movement?Complaining about women, sure. Complaining about unfairness online, what's the difference between that and using the internet to actually spread information about unfairness? I don't want to make it about me because I don't actually call myself an MRA but I've done some work researching and spreading information about these topics (first effort, second effort) and I'm happy with my impact. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/17 11:13 PM |
| 3 | Q4Feminists Whats your biggest disagreement With the Men's rights movement?There's ways of critiquing feminist issues that isn't just a blatant feminists and feminism sucks. I agree. The criticism should be thoughtful, informed, and more about ideas than people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/17 11:11 PM |
| 8 | Q4Feminists Whats your biggest disagreement With the Men's rights movement?Many feminist ideas are themselves issues for men. The idea that sexism against men doesn't exist is mainstream within feminism, and that's a problem for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/17 10:52 PM |
| 4 | Q4Feminists Whats your biggest disagreement With the Men's rights movement?If MRA stopped positioning themselves as an opposing force to feminists and feminism I would be right there with them (on a lot of things, some of the stuff they say is pure nonsense to me). How far do you want MRAs (and other non-feminist men's advocates) to go in embracing feminism? See this description of the feminist men's movement: Feminist Men's Movement These groups are closely aligned ideologically with the feminist movement. They believe that we live in a patriarchal system in which men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/17 10:46 PM |
| 12 | Q4Feminists Whats your biggest disagreement With the Men's rights movement?Beyond donating or voting I think there's real benefit in spreading awareness and information about men's issues (or providing serious, thoughtful criticism of feminist ideas). There's a lot of ground to be gained here. Most people simply have no idea that there are actually quite a few areas where men are doing worse, and improving awareness would really help make fixing these issues realistic. I do recognize that a lot of what is done is not this, though. (I'm also not even sure how you would … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/17 10:32 PM |
| 6 | Q4Feminists Whats your biggest disagreement With the Men's rights movement?In fact I just linked one yesterday where he basically says that people vote for trump because conservative guys can't get laid and basically blamed everything on women for not sleeping with conservative guys [...] "Your Refusal To Date Conservatives Is One Reason We Have Donald Trump" is substantially different from "getting laid is a right that the government should provide". Also, I don't even see any indication that this person is an MRA. Can you point out where you saw them take on the labe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/17 09:58 PM |
| 14 | Q4Feminists Whats your biggest disagreement With the Men's rights movement?But yeah, what exactly are men's rights groups achieving for men? Here's an example from a week and a half ago: Vanier men's centre, the third of its kind in Canada, officially opens Their real-world activism absolutely pales in comparison to feminism's, because they're way behind feminism terms of numbers, power, influence, and awareness of issues [edit: by which I mean people not being aware of men's issues]. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/17 09:54 PM |
| 17 | Q4Feminists Whats your biggest disagreement With the Men's rights movement?They seem to think that getting laid is a right that the government should provide them. They also seem to blame women for not wanting to sleep with them. This isn't the least bit recognizable as a description of MRAs. Maybe it's applicable to incels, although I doubt it's a majority of them either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/17 09:45 PM |
| 11 | Q4Feminists Whats your biggest disagreement With the Men's rights movement?I half agree with this. As I think I've expressed here before, I think there's way too much circle-jerking about how feminists are awful people. But I think that criticism of feminist ideas is genuinely very important for addressing men's issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/17 09:37 PM |
| 1 | How come this doesnt seem to get nearly as much exposure as the atomic black pillI don't know what the "ray perr" meme is. Could you explain? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/17 12:52 AM |
| 3 | Jordan Peterson on Women's LiberationYou seem pretty confident in your ability to dispute whatever Pem has to say when it comes to his experiences being a lawyer Does being a woman who has a law degree and disagreeing (about the legal system) with a man who has a law degree make that woman a feminist? That's the kind of uselessly broad definition of feminism that I'd expect from an overzealous feminist, not from you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/09/17 04:20 PM |
| 8 | Weekly | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/17 08:20 PM |
| 1 | CMV: "Most redpillers used to be BP" "Most redpillers used to be feminists" I'd say instead most redpillers used to be a benevolent sexistIn other words, they were still "RP" in the idea that most relationships are transactional, they just saw the transaction in a different way (ie opening doors for women should make her love you) than what redpillers now think (AWALT, branch swinging, sex for status). Specifically, what are they doing here that goes beyond just thinking that how you act towards people (and how you present youreslf towards them) affects how they feel towards you or how they act back? Before they thought that women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/17 12:41 AM |
| 10 | CMV: Women aren't attracted to "alpha" men.Women don't want men who are selfish or cocky. I mean what benefit is that to a her? How is a guy spending most of the time in the gym pumping his muscles up going to help a woman? When it comes to sexual attraction, you can't prove that someone doesn't find something attractive by saying that it doesn't "help" them. We have deep-seated sexual desires (from millions of years of evolution and various environmental influences) that don't necessarily have anything to do with practical benefit. A wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/17 09:14 PM |
| 1 | In general, are (straight) women less attracted to men than we are to them?What percentage of people are having casual sex on a relatively regular basis, though? I don't think it's most people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/17 11:56 PM |
| 2 | In general, are (straight) women less attracted to men than we are to them?You gave an example where women's tastes are more diverse and where the average ratings they give are lower than men's. I didn't say that they can happen at the same time, I said that having diverse tastes doesn't cause a lower rating (and to demonstrate I showed a simple example of diverse tastes having the same rating as non-diverse tastes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/17 11:08 PM |
| 2 | In general, are (straight) women less attracted to men than we are to them?Womens taste in men is much more diverse than mens taste in women which explains why their average ratings are lower, This doesn't make sense to me. Really simple scenario: two women and two men. Imagine that both men rate one of the women 10/10 and both rate the other woman 0/10. The average rating of these men is 5/10. Now imagine that both women rate one man 10/10 and one man 0/10, but they pick different men. The average rating is still 5/10, even if their tastes are more diverse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/17 09:12 PM |
| 1 | In general, are (straight) women less attracted to men than we are to them?If they weren't less attracted, they wouldn't initiate most break-ups and most dead bedrooms. Do they initiate most breakups, outside of marriage (where divorce has different implications for men and women, particularly in custody)? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/17 09:08 PM |
| 1 | In general, are (straight) women less attracted to men than we are to them?I think the only statistical explanation would be "soft polyamory" or "soft harems", wherein most women share the top 10% most attractive men by hooking up with them in rotation. Do you think it's actually the case that most women are hooking up with the top 10% of men in rotation? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/09/17 09:04 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The sexual/dating climate of today is toxic and most women are better off avoiding it altogether.Sometimes the wording of the post sounds like it was taken from a "template" of a generic TRP/MGTOW screed against women, rather than something they came up with organically from their own opinions. For example, the "Taylor Swift Test" is likely a reference to the "Brad Pitt test" (or whatever TRPers call it) rather than something they came up with on their own. There might have been plausible deniability until they started saying things like this: Lol women invented the internet/computers. We a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/09/17 10:36 PM |
| 3 | CMV: The sexual/dating climate of today is toxic and most women are better off avoiding it altogether.Yeah but what's annoying is shit like this gets posted by men about women all the time and we take it seriously. Well, the sub as a whole generally does. But post it about men oh no what a troll. It's not that we don't think anyone could have such extremely negative views of men. Many people do. It's just that when they do, their wording doesn't usually sound like an intentionally gender-flipped version of TRP or MGTOW, which I think this thread sounds like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/09/17 10:13 PM |
| 2 | Prevent throwaway accounts or brand new accounts from making postsNo, fuck that. If you're going to allow 'women are shit' posting, then you have to allow 'men are shit' posting - this whole 'but they actually believe the dumb shit they're spewing so it's totes fine' is... not good enough. We allow them both, if the people genuinely believe them. If they're pretending to believe something to make a point, that's different. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/09/17 09:42 PM |
| 2 | Prevent throwaway accounts or brand new accounts from making postsThat person is making extreme claims about the awfulness of the opposite sex, which isn't quite the same as woe-is-me posting. What that does strike me as is someone who thought they were being clever by trying a gender-flipped version of TRP, just like all of the other people who've done that here over the years. That's not posting in good faith and it's something that we could remove for, although it's hard to "prove". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/09/17 09:09 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Women's friendships are better and more fulfilling than men'sThere's some evidence (here) that men who attempt suicide are on average more intent on dying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/09/17 09:07 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Women cannot be viewed as strong and oppressed at the same timeAnd what is that difference? I stated the difference in the description: one is the State Planning Committee making a five year plan for the whole economy, and the other is millions of businesses (large and small) making plans for their own enterprise (and interacting with other businesses and consumers through the market). These are two different things, I'm not sure how you can ask "what is the difference". In one case the corporation is limited by its physical borders, in another - by the ext… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/09/17 03:13 AM |
| 3 | Would any one want to debate philosophies with me?If any one is actually curious to other opinions and is open to changing their belief, as am i. You need to be way more specific to have an actual discussion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/09/17 03:06 AM |
| 9 | Can men and women be friends?Yeah I can't relate to that blanket description (as a blanket description) at all. I've had women who OP would probably classify as barely even acquaintance-level who did more for me than the women OP thought were his friends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/17 09:45 PM |
| 5 | So how do the SM/RM numbers pan out?The claim is that women have it easier when it comes to dating. They can get sex or relationships at a drop of the hat while men must struggle to get anything they can. But I've never heard a good explanation for how this is possible. I think it makes sense at certain age groups. Here's the OkCupid data on the interaction between age, sex, and desirability that I'm sure you've seen before. There isn't an obvious gender advantage overall, but if we split it up into different age groups we see obv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/17 09:30 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Women cannot be viewed as strong and oppressed at the same timeCorporate management in a capitalist system absolutely does. There is a very big difference between millions of businesses (large and small) making plans for their own enterprise, and the State Planning Committee making a five year plan for the whole economy. Central planning is widely understood to refer to the latter. The whole distinction you're drawing between the state and enterprises is kinda meaningless. From Stalin onward, the Soviet Union was a corporation, just a very big one. The whol… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/17 07:52 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Women cannot be viewed as strong and oppressed at the same timeYou said "if we go by his [i.e. Stalin's] actions". I don't see how Stalin's actions line up with capitalism as a system. Capitalism as a system does not involve central planning and state ownership of enterprise, especially to the extent that it was practiced in the Soviet Union. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/17 08:37 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Women cannot be viewed as strong and oppressed at the same timeI thought you meant capitalist in the sense of someone who believes in capitalism as a system. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/17 03:28 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Women cannot be viewed as strong and oppressed at the same timeIf we go by his actions instead of declared ideology, Stalin is himself a pretty run of the mill capitalist though. Run of the mill capitalists aren't quite as enthusiastic about central planning and state ownership of enterprise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/17 02:57 PM |
| 1 | Why do you think RP rhetoric comes from a perceived or real position of strength?Don't you mean what is? Did you read the next line in my post? I said: "That view is partially based in reality (at least at younger ages) although I think it gets exaggerated [...]" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/17 12:55 PM |
| 1 | Why do you think RP rhetoric comes from a perceived or real position of strength?I misunderstood then, I thought you were asking whether their position (mentally, socially, whatever) when they say these things is a position of strength. If you're asking whether they genuinely think men are the best at everything, I think it's more genuine than not (but still influenced by the factors I mentioned above). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/17 03:22 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women cannot be viewed as strong and oppressed at the same timeThe Soviet Union is a complicated situation to say the least, I have seen some anarchists call it effectively "state capitalism." Yes, and I would have assumed you'd take that position too, but then your mention of Lenin made me think otherwise. Not completely, but a lot of the basis for racism and sexism are material economic problems, and we did actually see a rapid egalitarization of gender in the Eastern block, decades before the sexual revolution in the west. I agree that they are partially… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/17 02:09 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Women cannot be viewed as strong and oppressed at the same timefucking liberals Well, do you think a worker in the Soviet Union was oppressed if they weren't paid the full value of their labour, and the state took some surplus value for its own uses? I hear that in some gender studies classes, they teach you that class isn't the source of all oppression, and that we should feel bad for the issues of rich women / gay CEOs. I don't think that workers' co-operatives or state ownership of the means of production will magically get rid of our inborn tribalism (a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/17 01:51 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Women cannot be viewed as strong and oppressed at the same timeThat's based on a definition of oppression that's idiosyncratic to communism (I assume you're talking about surplus value and the standard communist idea that you're being exploited or oppressed if you earn a wage while the owner of the business makes a profit). Most people don't consider living under capitalism or earning a wage to be oppression, and so I don't know how applicable it is to a discussion among people who aren't communists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/17 01:32 AM |
| 2 | Why do you think RP rhetoric comes from a perceived or real position of strength?Why do you think RP rhetoric comes from a perceived or real position of strength? Can you give some examples of people saying that angry RP rhetoric comes from a position of strength on the part of the TRPer? That doesn't strike me as a common viewpoint among TRP critics. I think the angry rhetoric comes more from a feeling of powerlessness over their own dating life and desires, and a deep-seated resentment over what they perceive to be women's sexual power and ease in the dating market. That v… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/17 01:11 AM |
| 3 | Q4RP: Can you provide a link to a single peer-reviewed scientific study that refers to "alpha" or "beta" men, or "alpha" and "beta" traits in humans?Where's the pet reviewed studies on socialism vs capitalism? Economists have definitely talked about socialism and capitalism in peer reviewed journals. Here's an example: "The Impossibility of Socialist Economy, Or, A Cat Cannot Swim the Atlantic Ocean" from Quarterly Journal of Austrian Economics. It cites a bunch of other papers if you want a more in-depth discussion. Democracy vs fascism? In what regard? That's largely a question of philosophy or principles, and whether you believe the peopl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/17 09:54 PM |
| 11 | Q4RP: Can you provide a link to a single peer-reviewed scientific study that refers to "alpha" or "beta" men, or "alpha" and "beta" traits in humans?Because rigorous, evidence-based, (reasonably) objective research is the best method we have for understanding the world. It's not the only method, and it's not perfect, but it's the ideal, particularly for important questions. If someone told me that the world is 6,000 years old and I asked for some sort of scientific evidence for that, them responding "I never claimed it was based on science!" is a really weak defense. I don't even know why you're challenging this because you know there's a lo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/17 05:31 PM |
| 6 | Q4RP: Can you provide a link to a single peer-reviewed scientific study that refers to "alpha" or "beta" men, or "alpha" and "beta" traits in humans?If people are making claims about the way the world is, then it's reasonable to ask for some sort of scientific evidence for what they're saying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/17 04:57 PM |
| 3 | Q4MEN: Why do men always persevere and spend years and years trying to fix a relationship problem?Then, assuming women are more likely to branch swing, you think it's more a difference in opportunity than desire? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/17 02:51 PM |
| 12 | What are women truly attracted to in men?Attraction itself is something you feel, so the way you word this is a little odd. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/17 01:39 PM |
| 1 | Q4Men: Are any of you uninterested in casual sex or having sex with multiple women at the same time?Oh, I misunderstood! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/17 03:09 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: (re: financial abortion) Why exactly shouldn't men be responsible for where they put their penis and what happens to their sperm?We could improve a lot of men's lives by doing more research into this, but as long as there's a chance of failure I think something like legal paternal surrender is important as a fail-safe. Consider how women have many birth control options but we generally think it's important for them to have access to abortion as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/17 01:27 AM |
| 4 | Q4Men: Are any of you uninterested in casual sex or having sex with multiple women at the same time?I actually don't even get what the OP is asking. "Do any of you actually prefer monogamy, or do you all prefer to have multiple sex partners (not literally at the same time but concurrently)?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/17 01:25 AM |
| 2 | Q4Men: Are any of you uninterested in casual sex or having sex with multiple women at the same time?Like it's kinda hard to have sex with multiple women at the same time It's so obvious, why didn't OP think of that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/17 01:04 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: (re: financial abortion) Why exactly shouldn't men be responsible for where they put their penis and what happens to their sperm?You're right that all of this talk about men's options relies on women having reliable access to their options as well. But given the amount of support behind women's options and the lack of support behind men's, it's extraordinarily unlikely that men will get LPS before women's options are adequately accessible, so I really don't think we have to worry and not even discuss men's options. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/17 01:03 AM |
| 5 | Do any women love male sexuality? Or do all women hate male sexuality once they see it in its full?Do you "love" it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/17 10:16 PM |
| 6 | Do any women love male sexuality? Or do all women hate male sexuality once they see it in its full?What do you mean that you "appreciate" it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/17 10:07 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: (re: financial abortion) Why exactly shouldn't men be responsible for where they put their penis and what happens to their sperm?Which ones? For what it's worth, in Canada (where I live) abortion is legal for any reason at any stage of pregnancy. Source: Since 1988, when the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that existing abortion restrictions were unconstitutional, abortion has been legal for any reason at any stage of pregnancy. Provincial health insurance plans cover the cost of abortions performed in hospitals but do not consistently provide funding for abortions performed in free-standing clinics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/17 03:20 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP: (re: financial abortion) Why exactly shouldn't men be responsible for where they put their penis and what happens to their sperm?Both? What do you mean? Is that a yes to both of my questions? I honestly find this line of questioning annoying and distracting. You're, again, trying to distract from the core issues. You used an argument against LPS (paraphrasing: "that's just a philosophical argument; what we're really concerned with is specific prosocial outcomes, i.e. consequentialism") and I'm interested in whether you apply this to abortion as well. I think that's important. Do you not see how that's important? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/17 03:18 AM |
| 2 | Q4RP: (re: financial abortion) Why exactly shouldn't men be responsible for where they put their penis and what happens to their sperm?I didn't say the outcomes were the same. I asked whether for abortion you're primarily interested in outcomes/consequences and uninterested in philosophical concerns (principles like bodily autonomy), and whether in a hypothetical future where outlawing abortion produced desired outcomes you'd be fine setting aside principles like bodily autonomy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/17 03:12 AM |
| 4 | Q4RP: (re: financial abortion) Why exactly shouldn't men be responsible for where they put their penis and what happens to their sperm?If you're willing to apply "that's just a philosophical argument; what we're really concerned with is specific prosocial outcomes (i.e. consequentialism)" to LPS but not to abortion then that would be in line with my top-level post, which was about how many arguments against LPS also apply against abortion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/17 03:06 AM |
| 7 | Q4RP: (re: financial abortion) Why exactly shouldn't men be responsible for where they put their penis and what happens to their sperm?Arguments for abortion, from what I've seen, primarily involve philosophical arguments about principles like bodily autonomy and questions like whether/when a fetus becomes a person and deserves the same rights as a person. It's much rarer that I see people making consequentialist arguments. Does this mean that you consider the philosophical arguments for abortion (e.g. bodily autonomy) relatively unconvincing, and you think the question is primarily a consequentialist one? For example, if in th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/17 02:50 AM |
| 7 | Q4RP: (re: financial abortion) Why exactly shouldn't men be responsible for where they put their penis and what happens to their sperm?Adoption and safe haven laws are nearly universally gender-neutral, so that's a red herring. Where they are not, they should be, 100%. In practice they require possession of the child (and they're made easier by the other partner not knowing about the child). Men are drastically less likely to be in that position, and thus these options effectively aren't options for men. This doesn't even matter for my point though. Even if these options were gender-neutral in their availability, they still lea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/17 02:30 AM |
| 10 | Q4RP: (re: financial abortion) Why exactly shouldn't men be responsible for where they put their penis and what happens to their sperm?Legal paternal surrender would have to be done before the woman's window for an abortion, so she can abort it if she isn't able or willing to support it on her own and with the help of others who have voluntarily offered support. Setting that aside though, women have adoption and safe haven laws as options too, and they also leave a child who needs care. I don't think most people want to remove those as options for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/09/17 02:10 AM |
| 9 | Q4RP: (re: financial abortion) Why exactly shouldn't men be responsible for where they put their penis and what happens to their sperm?How do you define not yours? If they have your DNA they're yours, right? He said "effectively not mine", which I think is fair to say. If someone adopts a kid, we can say that it's effectively their kid even if it's not literally their kid, and I don't think we'd challenge them with "how do you define yours? if they don't have your DNA then they're not yours, right?". What /u/DarkLord0chinChin referred to is just the opposite of that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/17 10:12 PM |
| 54 | Q4RP: (re: financial abortion) Why exactly shouldn't men be responsible for where they put their penis and what happens to their sperm?Every time a man ejaculates his sperm in or near the vagina, or has unprotected sex, he is assuming the risk that a baby may be the result. This is the same argument pro-life people use against legal abortion. As it turns out, a lot of the arguments against legal paternal surrender for men are just re-purposed arguments against abortion for women. Edit: here's a FAQ I wrote up on legal paternal surrender if anyone is interested in responses to other counter-points I've seen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/17 09:48 PM |
| 1 | 'when a man is not willing to share power with his partner, there is an 81 percent chance that his marriage will self-destruct.'For both men and women. And yet when no fault divorce came along, women were very keen to jump ship first. Divorce can be extra difficult to follow through with for men because it frequently means a substantial loss in access to their children. From the book Legalizing Misandry (referencing economists Margaret Brinig and Douglas Allen): The solution to the mystery, the factor that determined most cases, turned out to be the question of child custody. Women are much more willing to split up becau… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/17 01:39 PM |
| 3 | Wtf does alpha/beta even mean?They're traits, which can be demonstrated by how you act. Can you think of anyone who's given you the impression that they're brave, or confident, or compassionate, or thoughtful? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/17 02:53 PM |
| 4 | Wtf does alpha/beta even mean?She can't feel that he's a threat, but all of this stuff: "Kindness, being a good listener, the ability to help with the children, dependability, thoughtfulness, compassion and patience"? I don't see how that's necessary at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/17 02:32 PM |
| 21 | Wtf does alpha/beta even mean?Here's Athol Kay of Married Man Sex Life, a redpill-ish mainstream-ish blog (and book). I think he provides a good description of the concepts, without the hyperbole of the RP subreddit (and without the BP hyperbole of the RP hyperbole: "alpha must sleep with a hundred women a year or whatever"). The Alpha Traits are those associated with classic “manly man” strengths. Power, dominance, physical ability, bravery, wealth, cool and confidence. Oh and good genes. These are the things that attract w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/17 01:32 PM |
| 1 | TRP's Men age like wine, women age like milkMen grow a little extra muscle every year. If they actually train. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/17 12:45 PM |
| 0 | TRP's Men age like wine, women age like milkAnd my comment is clearly data from OkCupid. I don't know why your personal opinion would be worth more on here than actual data of people's actual settings on a dating site. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/09/17 03:19 AM |
| 6 | TRP's Men age like wine, women age like milkYou've considered your personal opinions and speculation ("There is no way that 30+ men are more physically attractive than they were in their twenties", "social status will depreciate for the vast majority of men", etc.") to be admissible—I don't understand why actual data on men and women setting their age range for an allowable match on a large dating side would be any less admissible than that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/17 11:17 PM |
| 6 | TRP's Men age like wine, women age like milkIt's relatively objective evidence, rather than people's subjective opinion. Does your assessment line up with it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/17 10:54 PM |
| 4 | TRP's Men age like wine, women age like milkDoes your assessment line up with the OkCupid data? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/17 10:48 PM |
| 4 | TRP's Men age like wine, women age like milkI don't think it's fully correct, but I think there's some truth to it (and I don't think we can dismiss it as "just a coping mechanism"). The truth, in my view, is: "age is indeed kinder to men's attractiveness than women's (and youth gives a much larger boost to women than to men)" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/17 10:38 PM |
| 3 | TRP's Men age like wine, women age like milkDo you believe that age is kinder to men's attractiveness, and that youth gives a larger benefit to women than men? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/17 10:37 PM |
| 9 | TRP's Men age like wine, women age like milkThat concept is just a coping mechanism for 30-something guys who can't face the reality that their balding, greying and wrinkling appearance signals the fact that their attractiveness is clattering downhill with the speed of a runaway train. You say it's just a "coping mechanism". Does that mean you don't think there's any truth to it at all? Here's some data from OkCupid suggesting that age is indeed kinder to men's attractiveness than women's (and that youth gives a much larger boost to women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/08/17 10:21 PM |
| 2 | CMV: The redpill needs to study common medical issues before pretending to be an authority on human sexual instinct.All we are saying is that it can be rape even if she doesn't manage to fight back. It's not necessarily about fighting, but rather making sure that he knows she's not interested, so that if he keeps going it's because he's actually intending to rape her rather than because he mistakenly thinks she's interested. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 04:16 PM |
| 2 | Serious question for discussion: Please explain to me why women cannot simply say "NO, STOP DOING THAT, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS" and then remove themselves from the area, when faced with unwanted sexual behaviorThis was reported as a personal attack but it was directed at the group rather than the individual being responded to so I'm leaving it up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 02:47 AM |
| 1 | By attacking Toxic Masculinity, do SJW's merely reinforce the existing social hierarchy?SJW's aren't able to attack the "toxic masculinity" of the top of the pyramid so they attack the lower levels. Search "Donald Trump toxic masculinity"---they can definitely attack the higher levels. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/08/17 02:36 AM |
| 1 | Is a guy having no female friends a red flag?Can you make a small edit to your post to get the AutoMod to recognize it and show up? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/08/17 05:21 PM |
| 6 | CMV: "Affirmative Consent/Yes Means Yes" Won't WorkShe can say "but I didn't say yes" and then what happens? The judge and jury still know that the law does not require her to say yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 08:27 PM |
| 2 | CMV: "Affirmative Consent/Yes Means Yes" Won't WorkThey're saying that "relying on it alone can sometimes be problematic", not that you can't use it. Seriously, there's a difference between "this law requires verbal consent" and "under this law, relying on nonverbal consent alone can sometimes be problematic". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 08:16 PM |
| 4 | CMV: "Affirmative Consent/Yes Means Yes" Won't WorkSaying to get verbal consent if you're not sure is not the same thing as saying that verbal communication is required. That's an important detail that should not be brushed aside. (Take it from someone who wants your criticism of affirmative consent to be correct and successful.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 08:10 PM |
| 8 | CMV: "Affirmative Consent/Yes Means Yes" Won't WorkI have some disagreements about your interpretation regarding whether consent must be verbal and the requirement to check in. (As a note, I have a lot of problems with affirmative consent as a legal standard. I won't get into them here because that wouldn't be challenging your view, but I'm not endorsing the overall concept of affirmative consent.) --silence is NOT consent. Lack of protest is NOT consent. Lack of resistance is NOT consent. (How else do you ascertain consent other than she says, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 07:48 PM |
| 4 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.False narrative, caring can happen without this type of consent (Affirmative) I don't know what exactly you mean here. Here's what I'm saying: Affirmative consent is them actively showing that they're interested in having sex. I'm wary of this as a legal standard because there are so many questions of what counts, how often it has to happen, how we know what they're consenting to, etc. I think it's a lot more straightforward for the legal standard to be that if they say no, you have to stop. How… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 05:58 PM |
| 14 | PSA: Affirmative consent doesn't work like the manosphere claims.I agree. Caring about whether your partner is actively into it is a good thing to do, but as a proposed legal standard this really does worry me. I've known from the beginning that they say that "affirmative consent" can be non-verbal; what I don't know is what exactly counts as showing consent and how often it has to be done (because it has to be "ongoing"). From all I've seen about this concept, I cannot confidently say that I've adequately given affirmative consent in my own encounters. OP gi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/08/17 12:40 PM |
| 1 | In what ways are men victims (please provide sources)?Can you state in what ways you believe these studies demonstrate that men are victims? Here are eight studies showing gender discrimination in the justice system: https://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2017/01/29/justice-system-discrimination-and-the-myth-that-sexism-against-men-isnt-institutional/#studies | /r/MensRights | 25/08/17 12:18 PM |
| 7 | Q4RP: How many of you think that it's hypocritical/ironic if a feminist woman likes rough sex?In the above situation you did say 'stop' but she didn't listen. That was the 'tried to end the encounter' part. Is anyone here suggesting that people ignore it when you say "stop" or "no"? When /u/prodigy2throw mentioned "active consent" I thought he was referring to "affirmative consent", which goes far beyond respecting a "stop" or "no". It requires some sort of continual affirmation of consent and it's vague enough (both in what's required and how often it's required) that I can't confidentl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/17 03:36 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: How many of you think that it's hypocritical/ironic if a feminist woman likes rough sex?(I realized someone else made the same point and deleted my comment before seeing that you replied to me.) I understood you as saying that unattractive men should respect boundaries because them not doing so is unattractive, which is kind of irrelevant if they're already attractive. Did you mean something else? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/17 03:01 PM |
| 7 | Female interests vs male interestsThe empathizing/systemizing differential between the genders is statistically real at the population level on average but the reality is that there's huge overlap and it isn't a case of 100-0/0-100. The difference is degree, not principle. Huge numbers of interests combine both empathizing and systemizing. Not to mention that nerds are totally able to socialize with each other so they aren't really antisocial... differently-social is more accurate. You're absolutely right to point out that these… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/17 01:02 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL Do women prefer men capable of Cheating?You could think of it in terms of women being more attractive or men's standards being lower. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/08/17 12:56 PM |
| 4 | Q4ALL Do women prefer men capable of Cheating?If by 'capable' you mean 'attractive enough to be able to cheat,' then nearly every man who can find a relationship is capable of cheating. If you are attractive enough to convince one woman to have sex with you, you can almost certainly convince another to have sex with you given the opportunity. "Convincing a woman to have sex with you" in the form of casual sex tends to be harder than "convincing a woman to have sex with you" in a committed relationship because fewer woman are interested in c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:59 PM |
| 1 | CMV: most anti-male viewpoints spring from the fact that men are more variable than women and therefore low-quality men outnumber low-quality women.First I'd like to mention that you responded only to the very last paragraph that I wrote, and ignored the first part of my post, which I think was most important. Yet we've got feminist blog posts about toxic femininity You've found the first ever example that I've ever seen of "toxic femininity" being used by feminists, so I'll give you credit there. Although the better equivalent would be "passive femininity" which has more articles written about it. That's a much less emotionally-charged neg… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:21 PM |
| 14 | Q4ALL Do women prefer men capable of Cheating?"Capable of cheating" in the sense of having many women desire him, which gives him options to cheat? If so then the answer is yes, basically by definition. Do women desire men who are desirable? Yes. The same would work with the genders switched (men prefer women desirable enough to have options to cheat cheat over women not desirable enough) except that there aren't many women who don't have options to cheat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:20 PM |
| 3 | Q4ALL Do women prefer men capable of Cheating?I think OP means "capable" not in the sense of morally willing but in the sense of having options. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 05:17 PM |
| 2 | CMV: most anti-male viewpoints spring from the fact that men are more variable than women and therefore low-quality men outnumber low-quality women.It's based on Title IX, although the reasoning is pretty shaky. This all comes from the "dear colleague" letter sent to universities by the Office for Civil Rights of the U.S. Department of Education in 2011. It defines sexual violence as discrimination based on sex so that it can be covered under Title IX (as you quoted, "no person [...] shall [...] be subjected to discrimination"). It then mandates the "preponderance of evidence" standard for all universities that want to keep federal funding.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/08/17 04:52 AM |
| 6 | Q4MEN After seeing female nature, how do you find yourself loving women differently, if at all?The conception of honor for men and women are different, male honor is keeping your word, female honor is controlling her pussy. What evidence do you have for this? I'd be really interested in hearing your evidence. The only evidence I can remember people using for this is that women are more likely to initiative divorce, but that's easily explained by the fact that they're more likely to keep access to their children. Solipsism is part of AWALT I'm aware that it's a part of TRP theory, but citi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 10:38 PM |
| 2 | Q4MEN After seeing female nature, how do you find yourself loving women differently, if at all?Does it? I mean, emotional abuse/name-calling/belittling etc. are also unacceptable responses, in civilised company, to someone saying something you don't like. Those things are certainly considered much more acceptable than violence is, wouldn't you say? It's weird, I think I get why violence is in its own special class, but I'm not sure I buy that it's objectively 'worse' than those other things. I'm not saying that the effect is always worse. It's possible that extreme belittling could have m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 09:58 PM |
| 6 | Q4MEN After seeing female nature, how do you find yourself loving women differently, if at all?Women provoke men with emotional violence. Reducing violence to physical violence distorts the dynamic and picture. I think it's fundamentally wrong to conflate physical violence with non-physical acts. Criticize emotional abuse, name-calling, belittling, etc., all you want, but to put those things on the same level as violence makes violence an acceptable response to those things, and as far as I'm concerned, one of the first tenants tenets of civilized society is that you don't use violence ag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 09:17 PM |
| 6 | Q4MEN After seeing female nature, how do you find yourself loving women differently, if at all?Women can't keep their word because their word is feeling based. What evidence do you have that (1) women are less likely to keep their word, and that (2) this is a result of "their world [being] feeling based"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 09:12 PM |
| 2 | CMV: most anti-male viewpoints spring from the fact that men are more variable than women and therefore low-quality men outnumber low-quality women.I'm not quite sure how Title IX annuls due process. If you're talking campus rape tribunals, that's not the law. FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights in Education), in a letter to Cornell University on it switching to the "preponderance of evidence" standard, argues that it is indeed a violation of due process: First, the preponderance of evidence standard—our judiciary’s lowest—fails to adequately protect the due process rights of students accused of such serious misconduct. Students found gu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 09:11 PM |
| 15 | CMV: most anti-male viewpoints spring from the fact that men are more variable than women and therefore low-quality men outnumber low-quality women.Someone asked you to cite some examples of what you're referring to, and you expected them to find examples for you. Combined with your replies being snarky, I question whether you're interested in debate. This is a Challenge my view post. You have failed to do so. Thanks for playing, better luck next time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 02:56 PM |
| 12 | CMV: most anti-male viewpoints spring from the fact that men are more variable than women and therefore low-quality men outnumber low-quality women.If you're not going to do the research yourself, and you want me to do the work for you, I will. But you have to pay me first. $150/hour before taxes. If you want to convince people of your point then it's on you to provide evidence and examples. It's not their job to do the research for your point and convince themselves for you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 02:44 PM |
| 8 | CMV: most anti-male viewpoints spring from the fact that men are more variable than women and therefore low-quality men outnumber low-quality women.Most anti-male viewpoints are paranoid delusions by easily triggered manospherians. They seem to go out of their way to find outrage porn, even if it means just making stuff up or looking for angry 13 year olds on Tumblr. It's primarily a conspiracy theory that they came up with due to their desperate need to play the victim card. I think this is completely off-point, given that as a culture we're enormously more sensitive about attacks on women than attacks on men. If you think that the manosph… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 02:18 PM |
| 3 | CMV: The only difference between the sex-drive of men and women is the standardsIt's important to distinguish between the casual sex market and the relationship market. The latter is much less skewed in the way that you're talking about. Your (generic "you") girlfriend could probably go on Tinder and find a bunch of men, including many more attractive than you, for casual sex, but presumably if she's in a relationship then she wants more than casual sex. (That's like selling your house and getting a much better house in an area you don't actually want to live in.) Could she… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 03:48 AM |
| 5 | CMV: The only difference between the sex-drive of men and women is the standardsYou recognize that this (an "I don't give a fuck attitude", not buying them drinks, etc.) is exactly what TRP prescribes as the ideal personality for getting casual sex. The fact that you naturally did this rather than trying to fake it only makes it better, doesn't it? I don't know whether it actually helped you or not, but certainly I don't think you succeeded despite the "I don't give a fuck" attitude because that's not a bad personality from the perspective of getting casual sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 03:28 AM |
| 3 | CMV: The only difference between the sex-drive of men and women is the standardsMy 3rd point (which comes from these two) is that people incredibly overrate personality and this is something I can confirm both from my experience (I've fucked 3 girls in 20 years and all of them I were a huge cunt to) and seeing my attractive friends who are total spergs and can get away with everything and get laid with no effort. Just a note, getting casual sex with women after "being a cunt" to them isn't really evidence that personality doesn't matter because "being a cunt" (depending on … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 03:15 AM |
| 3 | CMV: The only difference between the sex-drive of men and women is the standardsAs long as he appears to be interacting in good faith with the people who disagree with him, I'd say the newness of the account isn't an issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 03:14 AM |
| 4 | CMV: The only difference between the sex-drive of men and women is the standardsI agree that there are men out there whose ability to attract women is other-worldly compared to regular men, but I have two major disagreements. First, I don't think it's as solely about looks as you've portrayed it. In my mind the best example of such a man is a celebrity: good-looking but also charismatic and high in social status. If he wasn't a celebrity he'd still do well with women, but he wouldn't have these other-worldly levels of success. (Would Justin Bieber be a teenage heartthrob if… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 03:08 AM |
| 3 | PSA: "gender is a social construct" is not the same as "a persons gender is entirely socially constructed"women grow long hair and wear pink, men are stoic providers. these are self imposed constructs that we've attached to people according to what genitalia they have. gender in this sense is a social construct and some would argue is damaging to the way we interact with each other. I think it's important to distinguish between gender itself and gendered stereotypes, associations, expectations, etc. What you talk about here falls into the latter category. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/08/17 12:16 AM |
| 3 | PSA: "gender is a social construct" is not the same as "a persons gender is entirely socially constructed"But the torturing of language and denial of biological reality drives me batty. I'm in a similar place. I don't really have a problem with accepting the new gender of someone who experiences gender dysphoria and makes some effort to transition (e.g. take hormones), but the key to me is that it's based on an understanding of gender as a biological phenomenon. Whether we like it or not, gender is based on biology and it's only when someone who makes an effort to change their biology that I'll take… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 07:18 PM |
| 4 | PSA: "gender is a social construct" is not the same as "a persons gender is entirely socially constructed"To be honest, I've never had an explanation of the gender studies definition of "gender" that made it seem intellectually sound. Explanations that I've seen either take the "gender is a performance" route and act like gender is about how masculine or feminine you are, which is a clear confusion of "gender" with "gender roles", or they adequately distinguish gender from biological sex and gender roles but make gender some nebulous concept that loses any real meaning. In your OP it sounded like yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 07:06 PM |
| 6 | QForRPMen: Why would a group of people collectively care about "the male experience" or "male problems" of males that are not in their lives?It's weak, splintered, and more interested in attacking feminism than addressing men's issues. I agree with your point when it comes to MRAs who spend their time sharing "outrage porn" about how feminists are awful people, but not when it comes to MRAs who spend a lot of time criticizing feminist ideas. Feminist ideas (particularly the ideas that men are the privileged class, that men as a class have power, and that sexism against men doesn't exist) are major impediments to the goal of addressin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 04:02 PM |
| 10 | PSA: "gender is a social construct" is not the same as "a persons gender is entirely socially constructed"I think that's better described as the postmodernist left, rather than the bluepill left. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 03:58 PM |
| 8 | PSA: "gender is a social construct" is not the same as "a persons gender is entirely socially constructed"Basically, the current narrative is that if you say you're a woman, you're a woman, and we shouldn't make a distinction based on whether or not you seek surgery. It's strange that a label would have no other criteria other than "identify with this label". I can't think of another case where this applies. These don't make sense, for example: if you say you're Chinese then you're Chinese, if you say you're a doctor then you're a doctor, if you say you're tall then you're tall, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 03:55 PM |
| 4 | PSA: "gender is a social construct" is not the same as "a persons gender is entirely socially constructed"And similarly gender is a social construct because there are various gender systems to be found all around the world and throughout history. The idea that men are rational and that women are emotional is turned around in some cultures because they see aggressive outbursts of men as a sign that they are the more emotional gender while the way women handle such situations and how they handle the household/resources is seen as more rational. Gender is not the same thing as stereotypes about genders… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/08/17 03:48 PM |
| 12 | Why are conservative / red pill / whatever women drawn to TERFs?I assume that describing them with your own black-and-white thinking was an intentional tongue-in-cheek joke. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/17 01:35 AM |
| 1 | Why are conservative / red pill / whatever women drawn to TERFs?TERF = trans-exclusionary radical feminist | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/08/17 01:33 AM |
| 1 | Do you consider your SO when making decisions or nah?You don't really believe men calling their SOs "the boss" are actually subordinates in their relationships, do you? In a lot of cases, yes. We still have the stereotype of the man as the "head of household" but the research suggests that this is no longer the case and it may in fact be more often the opposite: A study (paper here) from researchers at Iowa State University notes that a woman “may hold more power in relational domains because of the perception that women are skilled in handling re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/17 09:10 PM |
| 1 | Do you consider your SO when making decisions or nah?The problem isn't checking their opinion, it's seeing them as the "boss". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/17 09:06 PM |
| 7 | Why are conservative / red pill / whatever women drawn to TERFs?I think this is a key point, and I line up with their thinking on this. Many people's justifications for being transgender, and practically all justifications (that I've seen) for being gender non-binary, rely on a conflation of gender with gender roles. Here's an example of conflating gender with gender roles when explaining being transgender: Do some of those human beings express a desire to not be classified by the classic male or female gender roles (including the corresponding pronouns) and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/08/17 04:09 PM |
| 2 | Build it and they will come? Alt-right claims you'll get sex if you're with themThat's why all the countries that we in the west falsely call communist actually do call themselves state capitalistic societies on the path to communism. So far there hasn't been one that said that they reached their goal of achieving communism. They call themselves socialist, not state capitalist. "State capitalist" is a term used by some of their critics on the left to say that they aren't really that different from capitalist countries. You're right though that they believe (or rather believ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/08/17 07:11 PM |
| 3 | Q4RP: Do you believe that sexist attitudes towards women exist?So the Duluth model is problematic because it's a model for domestic violence against women and thus only talks about women as victims. Consider: The Duluth Model reigns as the most commonly state-mandated model of intervention. In many states it is the only statutorily acceptable treatment model. http://scholarship.law.umt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2027&context=mlr | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/08/17 08:45 PM |
| 2 | In light of the nonsense happening at Google: Bias against males proven in Tech interviewsYou forgot to mention that the trends of gender bias against men were not statistically significant: If anything, we started to notice some trends in the opposite direction of what we expected: for technical ability, it appeared that men who were modulated to sound like women did a bit better than unmodulated men and that women who were modulated to sound like men did a bit worse than unmodulated women. Though these trends weren’t statistically significant, I am mentioning them because they were… | /r/MensRights | 13/08/17 05:08 PM |
| 17 | Q4RP: Do you believe that sexist attitudes towards women exist?Sexist attitudes towards women exist, but I think the perception that we live in a "culture of misogyny" that's overwhelmingly sexist towards women (sexism against men either doesn't exist or pales in comparison) arises because sexism against women stands out to us more and offends us more, because of our protective attitude/instinct towards women (which is associated with traditional gender roles but has been embraced by supposedly progressive society as well). For example, someone talking abou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/08/17 02:48 PM |
| 1 | Do men have greater potential enjoyment of marriage/family while women have a greater potential enjoyment of sex?Absolutely, all of this is very different outside of the Western world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/17 05:14 PM |
| 17 | Do men have greater potential enjoyment of marriage/family while women have a greater potential enjoyment of sex?A guy can end up with someone like on RPW who literally cares more about his happiness than her own and gives all the benefits of a loving family and legacy that she does all of the work to create and keep going. Most women don’t seem to say they’d want the reverse arrangement even if it were socially acceptable (and totally possible - men can’t bear children) I'd argue that the reverse arrangement is actually much more socially acceptable. On a few occasions Barack Obama gave marriage advice to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 11:28 PM |
| 5 | CMV: The Red Pill and Blue pill are really just two sides of the same coin. There's not much difference.That they both focus on personality is perhaps an interesting parallel, but I hardly think that's enough to say that there's "not much difference" between them or that "in essence they are the same thing" when the actual details of their proposal for personality are so wildly different. If we had two other groups that argued for the primacy of looks, but their idea of what's ideal for looks was wildly different, we wouldn't say that there's not much difference between them. (Side-note: it's not … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 08:47 PM |
| 19 | Q4ALL: What self-sabotaging traits/habits cause some people to remain chronically single?For men a common problem is that they see dates as their opportunity to prove themselves to women, rather than their opportunity to see whether the woman is right for him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 04:11 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?I said that I saw the memo referred to as "fascist" and "Nazi" and then I had an example (from a Google employee!) calling him a "Nazi". If you want a "gotcha", you should have mentioned how it technically doesn't use the word "fascist" and only uses the word "Nazi". But I didn't say "everyone's calling him a Nazi" or "I saw a bunch of people calling him a Nazi". I don't know what makes it "random". What would be a "non-random" example? And I don't think it's incoherent; it's in response to cont… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/08/17 01:48 AM |
| 2 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?It was a comment by another Google employee that looked to be originally from Google+, but I saw it as a screenshot in one of the original articles about the memo. I thought it was on the original Gizmodo article, but I can't find it on there anymore so it was either removed or I saw it somewhere else. Here it is: http://i.imgur.com/oPeJgMN.jpg He says: "I will absolutely go out of my way to make sure I never work near anyone involved with or who endorsed that garbage. Because Nazis." He doesn't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 09:53 PM |
| 5 | Why should we care about the differences between men and women?women are generally more neurotic, which implies that they're more into "who" than "what" and are then less likely to be attracted by such job. Minor correction: neuroticism and "things vs. people" orientation were actually two separate points. Neuroticism as a Big Five personality trait means: Individuals who score high on neuroticism are more likely than average to be moody and to experience such feelings as anxiety, worry, fear, anger, frustration, envy, jealousy, guilt, depressed mood, and l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/17 01:32 PM |
| 69 | Q4All: Google Manifesto - What is your opinion about Google's move in firing the author?I saw the memo referred to as "fascist" and "Nazi". After I read it I thought "oh my God, this is what counts as fascism today?". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 10:01 PM |
| 4 | Do women expect too much from men?Is it? You didn't deny that you insist that other people start cleaning up the kitchen before they even get to eat, and you didn't deny that you think that woman's cleanliness preferences are automatically the right ones. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 09:55 PM |
| 3 | Do women expect too much from men?I say "don't leave the dishes in the sink for 2 weeks" and you call this "sterile" and "spotless" and compare doing the dishes on a regular basis to putting a home to be "in a condition that is real estate ready". You compare me saying "do the laundry" and "vacuum" to being a "domestic dictator" This is incredibly stupid and gross. You lack hygiene. If you think expecting your partner to maintain a minimal level of cleanliness is being a "domestic dictator" then you are unhygienic and dirty. Don… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 09:02 PM |
| 3 | Do women expect too much from men?Why would you not wash the dishes for weeks? Why wouldn't you vacuum or do laundry? Don't marry someone (aka get a puppy) and not expect to do work because you don't care. To use your style of argument: Why would you insist that other people start cleaning up the kitchen before they even get to eat? Why would you insist that a house must be sterile and spotless and consistently be in condition that's ready for a real-estate agent to show potential buyers through the house, rather than a place th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 08:24 PM |
| 3 | Do women expect too much from men?(Just as a note, you have a strangely accusatory/personal way of writing with "you do this" and "you do that" and I think people will find it off-putting, because how do you know what I do?) No. You just offer two options: live in filth or clean. And you don't want to clean. So the woman is stuck doing all the work because "my standards aren't high" and "I just don't care!!!" If your partner wants a puppy but you don't want one, is it reasonable for them to get one and then complain that they're… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 04:44 PM |
| 6 | Do women expect too much from men?What do you mean? What do I do? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 04:40 PM |
| 7 | Do women expect too much from men?I suppose I'm not sure what the point is of trying to create a theoretical concept of league or level that's separate from the practical concept of league/level that means who you can actually get. By their physical characteristics. Again, a fat, short, ugly, poor woman is low tier. A buff, tall, handsome, rich man is high tier. You can VERY easily determine people's general "level". You're taking into account weight, height*, looks, and money but maybe you also have to take into account gender … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 03:59 PM |
| 7 | Do women expect too much from men?Success has nothing to do with the fairness of demands. A 5\10 woman can pretty easily get a 7\10 man. That doesnt mean they're both on the same level. How do we determine level, if not by what they can get? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 03:19 PM |
| 5 | Do women expect too much from men?As a rule, men do less than women. Pew research on families: fathers spend 54 hours per week working (mostly career, some housework and childcare) and mothers spend basically the same amount of time at 53 hours per week (more evenly distributed for the different types of work). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 03:17 PM |
| 3 | Do women expect too much from men?Living in filth in your bachelor pad because no woman is there to clean it doesn't mean you aren't picky. It just means you're lazy and dump work onto the woman. If you're living in a bachelor pad then you're not dumping work onto women because there isn't a woman there to dump work onto. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 03:16 PM |
| 12 | Do women expect too much from men?You just made up a scenario and then portrayed it as the norm. Here's data from Pew on time spent working in families: http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/03/14/modern-parenthood-roles-of-moms-and-dads-converge-as-they-balance-work-and-family/ Fathers spend 54 hours per week (mostly on career but also some housework and childcare) while mothers spend essentially the same amount of time working, 53 hours per week (more evenly divided up between the different types of work). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/08/17 03:15 PM |
| 14 | Q4all: How true do you think the statement "it's only creepy if they are unattractive" is?Attractiveness undoubtedly plays a large role in perceptions of creepiness, as does awkwardness. However it's not literally true that you can only be creepy if you're unattractive. It's possible, albeit less likely, for an attractive man to be considered creepy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 09:45 PM |
| 1 | Is complete sexual freedom "evil"?Oh, the way you worded it sounded like you were trying to explain it to me. Here's a question that I'm interested in a communist's thoughts on. Let's assume a situation where enterprise has been collectivized, whether by the state (as has been the case the vast majority of the time) or by a worker-run cooperative. Does the principle of surplus value still exist? Does the enterprise have to give 100% of the value produced to the workers? Wouldn't that make it unable to withhold some of the value … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/08/17 12:31 AM |
| 1 | Is complete sexual freedom "evil"?I understand the communist idea of surplus value (although I disagree that it counts a theft). I was mentioning that you should explain that this is what you mean, because people reading your post could think you mean literal theft. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/17 11:52 PM |
| 3 | Is complete sexual freedom "evil"?Why? Why should I care more about "society" than individual freedom? Didn't you just advocate for collectivization of the means of production in a post made literally 10 minutes before this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/17 11:48 PM |
| 1 | Is complete sexual freedom "evil"?You should clarify whether you mean literal theft (i.e. you have something, I take it from you without your permission) or the communist idea of surplus value where a business owner is considered to be stealing from their employees if they don't give them 100% of the profits from the products sold. Most people aren't aware of the second sense so you might not make sense until you explain it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/17 11:47 PM |
| 3 | If men could suddenly have sex with almost any woman, would they become increasingly selective?I've edited my post to clarify a bit more. I can't speak for what RPers think, but in my opinion most men don't have monogamy as their absolute ideal situation. I think they're generally fine with monogamy but if given the choice between having one girlfriend/wife and having the same girlfriend/wife but also having the ability to have sex with a few other women on the side, a majority would prefer the second option. Most men don't have the second option now (because they're not attractive enough… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/17 11:39 PM |
| 3 | If men could suddenly have sex with almost any woman, would they become increasingly selective?It seems unlikely to me that women's standards (or men's) would remain the same regardless of the gender ratios. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/17 11:21 PM |
| 6 | If men could suddenly have sex with almost any woman, would they become increasingly selective?If the population of men declined enough to give the remaining men a better position on the dating market, I think that men's standards would rise somewhat but that wouldn't be the biggest change. The biggest change is that men would be much less interested in monogamy. I think the male ideal is, generally speaking, commitment-free variety. If the population shrank down from 100 of each gender to 10 men and 100 women, the remaining 10 men would probably not just be thinking "fuck yes, I can now … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/07/17 11:19 PM |
| 60 | Why doesn't society just tell boys/men what girls/women want?We have to remember that society is a bunch of individuals, and they don't always give the same message. Some guys get perfectly fine advice. But the ones who don't? I think it happens because the advice: Has the woman's comfort in mind rather than the man's success. Is more interested in portraying women in a positive light than helping men succeed. Assumes a man who's already attractive. Comes from a person who really does think that "be nice and respectful" is enough for sexual attraction. Is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/07/17 02:42 PM |
| 10 | The same logical fallacies and ignorance of evidence keep coming up"There are two genders, men and women. Therefore the difficulty in dating or social lives for each gender is 100 % / 2 genders = 50 % per gender." I see this all the time. I don't recognize this. Can you link an example? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/17 07:39 PM |
| 3 | Why do a lot of people think only liberal men are white knights?I'm looking forward to your analysis of white knight behaviours among Trotskyists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/17 12:13 AM |
| 19 | Why do a lot of people think only liberal men are white knights?There are a lot of interesting parallels between traditionalist ways of treating women and supposedly progressive ways of treating women, and I don't think either side is particularly conscious of the fact. The idea of watching your mouth around women to avoid offending them, the strong taboo on being violent towards women compared to being violent towards men, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/07/17 12:05 AM |
| 2 | Q4W: Male Financial Status and AttractivenessConsider a vacation spot where it's clear that no one will ever see each other again. If you compare the success of an average guy with a guy who's average in other ways (looks, charisma, etc.) but is rich (and the people around him know he's rich), I'm willing to bet that he would do noticeably better in hooking up with women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 10:11 PM |
| 1 | Q4ALL: When dating, does his or her selection of beer, wine or other drink have an impact on your decision to continue dating?I don't think that's consistently the case. "I can feel the baby kicking" sounds more natural than "I can feel the fetus kicking". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/07/17 03:53 AM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: Do women have more fun in life than men? Does it depend on SMV? Does it depend on age?Beautiful people have more fun than ugly people. Fun, charming people have more fun than boring people. This is genderless. That could still be gendered, if women are more likely to be beautiful or seen as beautiful (for whatever reason, whether related to the people whose beauty is being judged or related to the people who are doing the judging). I wouldn't make the generalization that women have more fun in life, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/07/17 10:26 PM |
| 1 | Men are more liked shamed for mental health issues then helped.I've removed this for being low-effort (you didn't give us very much to discuss). Feel free to make another thread on the topic of men and mental illness, but start off the discussion with 3-4 sentences explaining what you mean and what questions you have for people. (Also be more clear. You have a line that says "that should be. Likely" and I don't know what that means.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 08:27 PM |
| 5 | Change gendersphere phrases to be less offensive and more accurateAnd yet no one that isn't on the spectrum takes offense. I actually wonder how you guys react to other adjectives. I imagine it something like this "hey guys look there's a pink bird over there" - "OMG lol why do you call all birds pink?" or "shit I burned my pizza. I hate burnt pizza" - "what the fuck is wrong with you? How can you hate all pizzas and how can you claim that all pizzas are burnt?" I would be fine with this except for the fact that the terms "toxic femininity" and "toxic black cu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/17 03:22 PM |
| 5 | Q4ALL How should creeps be treated?People should be able to do what they want with their bodies (including being sluts) but their rights end where other people's rights/boundaries begin (i.e. when they start creeping people out with their behavior) What if we have a religious person who feels distressed and uncomfortable (i.e. is creeped out) by casual sex and people who have it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/17 06:08 PM |
| 9 | CMV: Women have the power in both sex and relationships.Technically, every woman that a man doesn't ask out is a woman who a man rejected for any sort of relationship. That doesn't make sense to me. Can I say that yesterday I was rejected for every job in the world because no employers initiated contact with me or offered me a job? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/17 04:42 PM |
| 12 | Q4ALL How should creeps be treated?So what are your thoughts? Is it ever ok to respond to creepiness with "creep shaming," and if so when? My main concern with creep-shaming isn't "a dude is touching himself on the bus or taking upskirt shots on the subway". Shame them all you like. My concern is the guys who are considered creeps because of being awkward or unattractive and showing an interest in a woman (or being perceived as having interest). I can think of many cases where I've heard a guy called a creep (it's almost always b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/17 04:23 PM |
| 5 | Why should it be preferable to promote stereotypes even if they have some basis?You're right. According to the second study here, if you take a random woman and a random man, there's a 74% chance that the man is more things-oriented in his employment preferences and the woman is more people-oriented (and a 26% chance that it's the opposite). That's quite a big difference. In contrast, there's a 53% chance that the man cares more about earnings than the woman (and a 47% chance that it's the opposite), which is a very small difference. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/07/17 07:56 PM |
| 9 | There's no such thing as shit testsI think of shit tests as unreasonable demands or requests where the "right" response is to decline rather than comply. Those are quite real in relationships. I can even think of a male version, particularly before the relationship (trying to have sex as soon as possible and then losing interest in her for anything serious if she goes along with it). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/17 11:46 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Creep Shaming does not affect men.CMV: Creep Shaming does not affect men. Here's a man saying in the clearest terms possible that it does affect him. I don't think he's alone. The "creep-shaming" is why I am terrified to approach a woman. I don't want to deal with that. [https://www.reddit.com/r/AskWomen/comments/19u81s/hey_ladies_whats_your_opinion_on_creep_shaming/c8rw6hv/ Men rights activists claim that a woman can call any man a creep, regardless of whether or not they are being creepy, and ruin his reputation. This sounds l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/17 11:42 PM |
| 20 | Why do women want to see men cry so badly?They think men are as emotional as women and that we're just not crying because society tells us not to. When in reality, men don't cry simply because they can't afford to. Crying at work? Goodbye career. Crying in front of women? Goodbye any attraction a woman has for you. Crying in front of other men? You're looking weak and vulnerable and easy to manipulate. You appear to be saying that men are, deep down, more emotional but outside factors (how they'd be seen in their career, etc.) stop them… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/17 07:21 PM |
| 4 | Why do women want to see men cry so badly?I don't have any particular urge to cry but (realistically speaking) if I was more predisposed to crying I don't think I would receive a very positive reaction for it. Certainly there would be less tolerance for such actions than what women are usually afforded. This is really an issue where I'm conflicted. Mental toughness is a good thing, but expecting to always be able to deal with difficult things on your own is part of why the male suicide rate is so much higher. Where's the right balance b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/07/17 07:13 PM |
| 5 | Q4RP: Do TBPers hate men?I'm not a feminist but you have to be really obtuse to believe the concept of toxic masculinity is an attack on men. I don't have a problem with the term "toxic masculinity" itself (except that I think the word "toxic" is too strong for most of the cases it's applied to) but I understand why it feels like an attack. If someone started talking about "toxic black culture" or "toxic femininity" then they'd be seen as attacking black people and women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/07/17 04:32 PM |
| 18 | Q4all: is there a problem with the dating market?I'm not sure exactly what kind of problem with the dating market you're suggesting, but my main concern (from a man's perspective) isn't the market itself but rather that a lot of the advice men are given does not set them up to succeed on the dating market: The importance of men's looks are downplayed (presumably many don't like the idea of women being "shallow") and many men don't learn of the benefits of dressing well and getting fit. The wrong kind of personality traits for sexual attractive… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/07/17 12:47 AM |
| 1 | How much do men care about societal expectations?Interesting, that's not something I've really seen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 05:45 PM |
| 2 | How much do men care about societal expectations?I just searched for "single" on the new page and didn't see anything. Do you have a link? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 04:56 PM |
| 2 | How much do men care about societal expectations?Also, if men don't care about societal expectations, how come they're also so easily brainwashed according to TRPillers to be "nice guys" or to date single mothers because society is telling them to? Is the "nice guy" thing a social expectation, or advice given to them to achieve their goals of appealing to women? As for the single mom thing, I haven't noticed anyone saying that men are being brainwashed into dating single moms. I do hear about how single moms are glorified. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 04:42 PM |
| 6 | Where do certain males learn the idea that being "nice" will attract a partner?But OP asked "Where do certain males learn the idea that being 'nice' will attract a partner?". This survey shows women saying that being nice will attract a partner, or at least it's a much more important trait in attracting a partner than looks. The idea that looks don't matter at all hasn't really been part of the discussion or claimed here, has it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 11:56 AM |
| 8 | Where do certain males learn the idea that being "nice" will attract a partner?Like if I told him that I love pizza and ten minutes later eat a burger, would he get mad because apparently I just said that I don't like anything except for pizza? If you told them that you liked pizza much more (the equivalent of 67% vs. 26% or 15%) and then you clearly enjoyed burgers more then they might notice something wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 11:52 AM |
| 16 | Where do certain males learn the idea that being "nice" will attract a partner?http://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/top-20-traits-she-wants In this survey, 67% of women put kindness in their top 10 of what makes a man hot, compared to 26% for handsome face and 15% for height. I don't think it's one group of women specifically, but this is something I heard from many female friends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/17 02:37 AM |
| 1 | Do you think parents have a right to know if the child they're raising isn't actually theirs?Is talking about women suffering from domestic violence (or any such concern) "thinly veiled feminist whining about how evil men are"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/17 08:24 PM |
| 1 | Would you choose to be a single dad?Post under AutoMod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/07/17 08:12 PM |
| – | "Women aren't as shallow in real life like they are online" How is this true?I have a girl friend who's about 5'1", 200 lbs (I have her pics too if you are interested). Do not share pictures of people you know on here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 09:05 PM |
| 14 | Q4RP: What is asshole behavior and how does one treat women badly?Except for the "ignore her sometimes" part I wouldn't have thought that anyone would reasonable call those behaviors "treating her badly" just because he's not treating her with kids gloves. While I agree with your overall point that setting boundaries, being independent, etc., doesn't actually make you an asshole, I think that as a culture we're generally very sensitive about how men treat women1 and so I don't think it's at all outlandish that a guy could shy away from setting boundaries or st… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 04:51 PM |
| 1 | "Society tells men that their looks don't matter." When was this ever true?Where did the idea of looks being completely irrelevant come up? From OP: I'm really addressing with question to redpillers, who say that they grew up being told their personality is more important than their looks. OP didn't say "who say that they grew up being told their looks are completely irrelevant". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 04:42 PM |
| 3 | Women are portrayed as disposable to high status malesThe fact that he's so concerned with denying it does show that there's some sort of extra taboo on harming women, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 02:53 PM |
| 1 | "Society tells men that their looks don't matter." When was this ever true?I feel like you're trying to read these messages literally so it says, "I don't care about physical attraction at all" which is clearly not true for anyone who's not blind. Have I ever described it at all like that? From the beginning I've addressed it as looks mattering less, not them not mattering at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/17 02:26 PM |
| 9 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral.I would describe it as an extremely aware state of being, as in you are no longer "in the matrix" and able to see subtext for what it really is, in life, etc. Most people think they're the ones who are actually aware and actually see the world for what it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 08:11 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: Male Disposability?POC's and poor people are disposable due to ingrained racism and classism. Men face no such ingrained prejudice for being men. What do you actually mean by this? If male disposability is not an ingrained prejudice against men for being men, what is it? Men are largely in charge and make the rules, and have done so for millenia. People in power are usually men but that doesn't mean that men hold power collectively, and it certainly doesn't mean that male disposability isn't part of our culture. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 08:10 PM |
| 3 | "Society tells men that their looks don't matter." When was this ever true?Answering the study is essentially saying what they believe they are attracted to, however that does not mean always what they actually are attracted to. My point wasn't that this is what women actually are attracted to, but rather that it's easy to get the impression that this is what women are attracted to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 07:56 PM |
| 5 | Q4BP Explain how RP is immoral."That only works on a certain kind of woman" seems to be the most common complaint to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 04:14 PM |
| 2 | Weekly | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 03:28 PM |
| 3 | Women are portrayed as disposable to high status malesWomen are viewed as disposable by criminals and psychos who have no morals or empathy? I would imagine these kinds of people have little reverence for anyone's life or well-being. To copy this passage from another one of my comments, even gangsters and criminals often have an aversion towards harming women: A National Post article tells the story of the trial of James Bulger, “once the daring overlord of Boston’s Irish mob”. On trial for 19 murders (17 men and 2 women), he was largely unfazed by… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 02:20 PM |
| 1 | "Society tells men that their looks don't matter." When was this ever true?That doesn't make sense because kindness and good looking aren't competing. You can be both. Far more women put kindness (and other character traits) in their top 10 than put fitness (and other physical traits). The fact that it's possible to be both kind and fit does not mean that they did not say that kindness matters more. If I told you I like girls who read comic books like I do, would you assume I like cute girls who read comic books or hambeasts that do? Or do you think to yourself, maybe … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 02:11 PM |
| 4 | Discussion: Male Disposability?I think this is an example of obscurantism, hopefully unintentionally. Multiple types of disposability are at play here: for men, for minorities, and for poor people. Poor minority men are the most disposable, wealthy white women are the least ("when a young white girl goes missing in America, it immediately becomes a national story"). The fact that a man can be wealthy or white and be less disposable because of that doesn't mean that his other property of being male doesn't make him more dispos… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 01:37 PM |
| 6 | Women are portrayed as disposable to high status malesAnd how do we view these crimes against women? Even gangsters and criminals often have an aversion towards harming women: A National Post article tells the story of the trial of James Bulger, “once the daring overlord of Boston’s Irish mob”. On trial for 19 murders (17 men and 2 women), he was largely unfazed by being called a “gangster, killer and thief”, but he had two objections: “Bulger is intent on showing two things — that he’s not an informant and that he didn’t kill the two women. He wan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/17 01:18 PM |
| 9 | "Society tells men that their looks don't matter." When was this ever true?Look at the first picture in that link. It's a muscular shirtless Chad. This was an example of what women usually say they like, not what pictures Men's Health includes on their articles. Presumably most of the men are in real life hearing this from women, not reading Men's Health. You have to be more autistic than me to read she likes kindness to think it means, she doesn't care if he looks like a male model or a fat neckbeard, as long as he's kind!!! I was illustrating the idea that other trai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 08:56 PM |
| 36 | "Society tells men that their looks don't matter." When was this ever true?So if that's the case, how come so many red pillers who first started reading on the philosophy claim that they were deluded by society to believe that their other traits mattered more? Because that's what most women say they like in a partner. Here's a survey of 1,000 American women with the goal of identifying what traits women find "hot" in a man. The results? Women rated traits relating to character and personality much higher than they scored those reflecting physical attractiveness. Lookin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 06:46 PM |
| 7 | Benefit of the doubt is given to people you trust and/or respectBut if we have this situation: Someone says: "Women are hypergamous." Possible interpretation #1: "Women are on average more hypergamous than men and men are on average more polygynous" (I'm taking this to mean that there's significant overlap, like how women are probably more interested in reading and men in sports but plenty who are interested in the opposite one.) Possible interpretation #2: "Women and men have different reproductive drives (hypergamy vs. polygyny) and this applies to virtual… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 04:45 PM |
| 14 | Benefit of the doubt is given to people you trust and/or respectI understand where you're coming from, and this applies to "men are stronger than women" where it's blatantly obvious that they just mean that men are stronger on average. But there are a lot of cases where it's not as clear, like if someone says "women are hypergamous". Do I assume that they just mean that women are more hypergamous on average? Because it's very plausible that they see a very clear dividing line between men and women in terms of reproductive drives (hypergamy vs. polygyny) that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 03:39 PM |
| 12 | Discussion: Male Disposability?They discuss the concept of male disposability: "the widespread perception of men having inordinate social and economic power is false, and that men are systematically disadvantaged in many ways." (according to Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Male_Power) I think a more precise definition of male disposability is the one I use in my own write-up on the topic: https://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2016/09/30/defining-demonstrating-understanding-male-disposability/ I define it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/06/17 02:49 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: What Are Women Supposed To DoMen in general seem quite obsessed with being good in bed. What do you think all of the concern over penis size and how long they last is about? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/06/17 11:33 PM |
| 4 | At what age would you have paid to lose your virginity?Whats all this bias against hookers ? I was going through a dry spell, the offer was on the table, and it was fun. Not so much fun that I wanted to do it again. But why not do it the once ? I have a strong aversion to the idea of paying someone for sex, and having sex with someone who doesn't really want to have sex with me, and having sex with someone who's been with that many other guys. It's just not something that appeals to me at all. It didn't appeal to me when I was young and had never ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/17 08:45 PM |
| 1 | How are females not the ones with the entitlement to sex?A whole believe system based on changing themselves in order to get sex? If they thought they were entitled to sex then they'd presumably not change and just demand it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/17 05:55 PM |
| 3 | CMV: When you take away the PUA/seduction angle from /r/theredpill, it's just another reddit hangout for reactionary "angry white male" types that has been co-opted by the alt-right. An analysis using subreddit algebra bears this out.I actually do believe that there's a link, in the sense that TRPers are more likely than the general population to be alt-righters. I don't think that TRPers have to be alt-righters, though. They can be regular right-wingers (e.g. libertarian, no interest in white nationalism), centrists, or (less common but still possible) leftists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/17 05:35 PM |
| 2 | CMV: When you take away the PUA/seduction angle from /r/theredpill, it's just another reddit hangout for reactionary "angry white male" types that has been co-opted by the alt-right. An analysis using subreddit algebra bears this out.I think we have a very different definition of alt-right. The term as I understood it was coined by Richard Spencer to refer to white nationalism. The only two subreddits of your 10 that strike me as actually alt-right are /r/HBD and /r/european (although the latter is private and I can't see it, so I'm going with what I've heard). If you're wondering, the "quintessential" subreddit that I'd consider full-on actually alt-right is /r/altright, before it was banned. Three or four of them (mensrigh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/17 05:21 PM |
| 2 | CMV: When you take away the PUA/seduction angle from /r/theredpill, it's just another reddit hangout for reactionary "angry white male" types that has been co-opted by the alt-right. An analysis using subreddit algebra bears this out.This is a CMV, and you're not challenging OP's view, so please post this under automod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/06/17 05:13 PM |
| 6 | Q4RP: Do you consider it "masculine" to complain on the internet about women every day behind the anonymity of a reddit account?There should be no debate that this is "masculine", it is men doing it, it is associated with men, therefore it is masculine. Do we associate this with men? Perhaps if we're looking at the very specific action just as OP described of "complain on the internet about women every day behind the anonymity of a reddit account", but if we're looking at it more generally as complaining about the opposite sex on the internet then I don't associate that with men more than women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/06/17 05:20 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: What is the point of morality?Society doesn't have the property of being made up of a bunch of individuals? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/17 04:38 PM |
| 1 | Discussion: What is the point of morality?Society is a bunch of individuals, and individuals matter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/17 02:31 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: What is the point of morality?Yes, but not just some vague "for the greater good!". It creates a better society for me as an individual, and most people as individuals. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/06/17 01:04 AM |
| 1 | Discussion: What is the point of morality?I originally thought you said "determined" anyway until I re-read it, so that doesn't change my answer. I'm not really sure what it would mean to say that one person or group defines or determines morality. A bunch of different people have their own views on what's right and wrong, and some might have better arguments for their proposals (based on logic or consequences, e.g. "killing is wrong" seems to have better arguments than "homosexuality is wrong") but it's not like we have an objective ju… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/17 08:15 PM |
| 2 | Discussion: What is the point of morality?I don't think that anyone defines it in the sense of giving the objective answer, although the most relevant answers for an individual will be their own opinion on what's right and what's wrong (their own moral compass) and the aggregate opinion of their community (the moral compass that they might face pressure to adhere to). I certainly don't have any complete answer for how to determine what's right and what's wrong. "Treat others as you'd want to be treated" is a good start but far from perf… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/17 07:43 PM |
| 3 | Discussion: What is the point of morality?Not only is "don't be an asshole" subjective, it's basically a paraphrase for "do what's moral" (or "don't do what's immoral"). Which is fine, it's basically telling people to care about morality and that's good, but it doesn't say much of anything about what morality is. It's like saying "workplace safety is really simple, all we have to do is care about workplace safety". That'll make you more safe than not caring but it doesn't give you any real details. Regarding euthanasia, if a religious p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/17 05:26 PM |
| 3 | Discussion: What is the point of morality?Is it immoral to sell people hard drugs? I could think "I'm an asshole if I presume it's my place to tell them how to live their life, that's infantilizing them, it's not impossible that they use the drugs responsibly", but I could also think "I'm an asshole if I take the chance that I'm contributing to their addiction and despair". How do I "not be an asshole"? If someone asks me for an organ transplant, is it immoral for me to say no? If I were in their shoes and in need of a transplant then t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/17 05:06 PM |
| 10 | Discussion: What is the point of morality?A society where people are good to each other (or at the very least, aren't bad to each other) is in general a much better place to live than one where people are bad to each other. There are a ton of questions about what exactly this should entail, what can reasonably be expected from people, etc., but that's the most basic point of morality to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/17 03:46 PM |
| 8 | Discussion: What is the point of morality?Morality and how to get people to live together in peace is a lot more complicated than "just don't be an asshole", don't you think? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/17 03:45 PM |
| 4 | Weekly | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/06/17 01:59 PM |
| 6 | Explain the complete lack of any sort of 'bro code'Ah. Do you believe that anyone has any moral or ethical duties? Do I have a moral or ethical duty not to kill people or steal their property, for example? Edit: Also, do people have a moral/ethical duty, after agreeing to enter into a monogamous relationship, to be faithful? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/17 06:40 PM |
| 13 | Weekly | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/17 06:34 PM |
| 6 | Explain the complete lack of any sort of 'bro code'You originally asked why anyone should respect their relationship if it's not "official" (i.e. a marriage), so I thought you meant that people should respect their relationship if it is official. What's your position? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/17 05:55 PM |
| 6 | Explain the complete lack of any sort of 'bro code'If there's no ethics in dating (and anyone who thinks so is a "modern secular religious fanatic"), why would there suddenly be ethics in marriage? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/17 05:51 PM |
| 4 | Explain the complete lack of any sort of 'bro code'There's no ethics in dating no matter how any modern secular religious fanatics try to pretend there us. Is your belief of there being no ethics in dating specific to dating? Does it apply to all other areas of life too? A "girlfriend" or "boyfriend" isn't "spoken for", it's a non-thing, an ad hoc non status of no official recognition, a nothing, why should anyone outside the relationship respect it? It's an agreement they entered into. What exactly counts as "official recognition" and why would… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/17 05:48 PM |
| 4 | Help me prove that men are the more disposable genderhttps://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2016/08/06/a-non-feminist-faq/ I mean, it's hard to prove men are the disposeable sex when it's female fetuses being aborted and female babies being left for dead... because the parents preferred boys. Section 7.4 of the above link: If there's a trend in the Western world it's that girls are preferred. A 2014 study of adoption in the United States found a gender preference for girls, and a race preference against blacks. Specifically in the US, women's reprod… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/17 01:40 PM |
| 1 | Help me prove that men are the more disposable genderMy expectation is that they might acknowledge it but interpret it through a female-centric lens and focus on how it harms women. What do you think? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/17 09:50 PM |
| 1 | Help me prove that men are the more disposable genderI'm saying if you view yourselves as disposable, you're going to start treating yourselves as disposable. Male disposability is an attitude seen from both men and women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/17 09:36 PM |
| 2 | Help me prove that men are the more disposable genderIt's concerning that the idea that men should sacrifice their lives to save women is understood primarily not as sexism against men but instead as "benevolent" sexism against women. That's like seeing some employer discriminate in favour of men and say "I hate benevolent sexism against men too!". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/17 09:35 PM |
| 5 | Discussion: the alleged "double standard" of sluts and studsWhen she's not sexually selective, it's not really as special is it? Since ya know, she does it with anyone. Master key, shitty lock. If I'm not selective about who I play pick-up sports with then that's also not special either. (If you want it to be special then feel free to care about someone's history in your partner selection. I'm just saying that I don't see strong grounds to shame them.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/06/17 02:37 AM |
| 12 | Discussion: the alleged "double standard" of sluts and studsIf it's easy to get casual sex, then getting it isn't worth all that much. And if a woman has a lot of casual sex with a lot of different men, then she doesn't really value herself all that much. The greater difficulty associated with casual sex for men explains why it's more impressive for a man to have casual sex. It doesn't explain why it would be shameful for women to get casual sex. It's really easy to find some people to play a pick-up sports game with. As a result, we wouldn't consider it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/17 08:54 PM |
| 2 | Are there any traditionally gender specific behaviors in a partner that would be a deal-breaker if they lacked that trait?If you want to get strong, why not do something badass at the same time like go rock climbing or take up boxing? Lifting weights (measured intentional training) allows faster progress, more progress over the long term, and it allows you to ensure that you're strengthening your whole body. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/17 08:44 PM |
| 2 | A closer look at women getting less jail timeThe majority comes in around 60%. He cherry picked ones because he doesn't believe in it. I wrote a blog post surveying eight different studies showing discrimination against men in the justice system (with the goal stated in the post itself being to show that there is institutional discrimination against men) and you somehow end up at the conclusion that I don't believe in justice system discrimination against men and I'm cherry-picking studies to disprove it? (/u/sublimemongrel help I don't un… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/17 08:41 PM |
| 3 | A closer look at women getting less jail timehttps://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2017/01/29/justice-system-discrimination-and-the-myth-that-sexism-against-men-isnt-institutional/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/17 05:14 PM |
| 3 | A closer look at women getting less jail timeif i had to guess any non gender related factor was most important in sentencing disparity it would be lack of priors It is an important factor, you're right. Fortunately the studies on the gender disparity in sentencing pretty universally control for criminal history. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/17 05:12 PM |
| 5 | How does society push for the "Women are wonderful" narrative?I personally don't see the assumption that men would be superior doctors (I could more readily see that for something like programming or engineering). Let's assume there is such an assumption though; I'm not sure it explains this phenomenon. There are plenty of areas where women are generally assumed/"known" to be better: parenting, nursing, teaching, etc. And yet, as I mentioned, I'd be very surprised to see an equivalent headline there. Do you disagree? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/17 12:42 AM |
| 3 | Why is it wrong to think that the actual fathers, not the victims of paternity fraud, should pay child support?Isn't France your socialist paradise? That said to Atlas might be the funniest thing I've heard all day. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/17 11:29 PM |
| 8 | How does society push for the "Women are wonderful" narrative?The sole reason this happens is because women are viewed as disadvantaged in those fields. Everyone knows that there are more male doctors than female so they're trying to focus on the women. They do it with minority people too from what I've seen. That example just happened to involve an area of employment where women are a minority, but there are plenty of other examples of how it's more acceptable to say negative things about men than women that aren't related to employment like that (see the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/17 11:13 PM |
| 11 | How does society push for the "Women are wonderful" narrative?It seems to me that it's enormously more socially acceptable to make positive generalizations about women and negative generalizations about men than the other way around. For example, take the headline "Evidence of the Superiority of Female Doctors" in The Atlantic. I'd be very surprised to see a headline like "Evidence of the Superiority of Male Teachers" (or nurses, etc.). Would you disagree? There's also been a proliferation of male-gendered negative terms ("mansplaining", "manspreading", "m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/06/17 10:45 PM |
| 1 | Q4W: If women really do want "something more" from fucking hot guys, why do they keep letting those hot guys pump and dump them repeatedly?Please post under AutoMod. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/17 05:24 PM |
| 10 | CMV: Women are scared of TRP because if men wake up to the reality of how badly men are getting screwed then life won't be on easy mode for women anymore.Isn't TRP growing, though? It seems like it's mainstream, or almost mainstream. A lot of people I know IRL actually mention it to me! It's a medium-sized forum on reddit. I don't think it's anywhere near mainstream. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/17 03:27 AM |
| 3 | Reducing male sexual entitlement should not be the only solutionDesire can be negotiated. Donald Trump became a lot more desirable after he became president. (I'm not sure Trump is the best example but I take your overall point.) Changing your position in life and becoming more desirable is not the same as negotiating desire. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/17 03:20 AM |
| 5 | Study: There aren't enough good men because they were raised by single mothers(Paging /u/UA_Hammer for this reply as well. /u/5th_Law_of_Robotics might be interested too.) There's something about single parenthood itself. This issue is not just a proxy for demographics (whether race or something else). There's evidence that boys' development is more reliant on parental involvement, and parental involvement is naturally going to be lower when there's only one parent around. Broken families are associated with worse parental inputs and boys' non-cognitive development, unlik… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/17 02:35 AM |
| 8 | Reducing male sexual entitlement should not be the only solutionIt gets frustrating to read feminist articles and the primary solution is to reduce male sexual entitlement. Basically, that amounts to saying "deal with it". You say "solution" six times in your post but you don't make it clear; solution to what? First off, telling a male to reduce his sexual entitlement is never going to work. Males already have to repress their sexual desires to be desirable to woman as showing open desire lowers a man's status. Desire is not the same as entitlement. I person… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/17 07:32 PM |
| 6 | Do men genuinely not understand that, for women, having some guy who wouldn't been seen in public with you dump a fuck into you isn't some great thing?Imagine a housing market that's in a bubble. It's a sellers' market. The sellers can generally get a better price than they otherwise could get, they're more able to set the terms and conditions of sale, etc. The sellers are the "gatekeepers" of house transactions, but we wouldn't say that they don't want house transactions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/17 01:47 PM |
| 6 | Do you think the feminist narrative is slowly changing?I'm with you in that. I can't relate to people who "feel" like another gender because I don't "feel" like my own gender any more than I feel like my height, or my skin colour. I'm aware that my gender has certain mental effects because of hormones and other things, meaning that for example I'm probably predisposed to higher risk-taking than the average woman. But does feeling a higher inclination towards risk-taking mean that I "feel" like a man? What if I was on the lower end of risk-taking for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/17 12:32 AM |
| 6 | Do you think the feminist narrative is slowly changing?Because if you didn't believe that the sexes were defined by something other than biology, how could you believe that a male-bodied person can identify as female (or vice-versa)? It doesn't make any sense. Many feminists1 conflate gender with gender roles, which means defining men as people who are masculine and women as people who are feminine (if you're neither masculine nor feminine then you can be neither a man nor a woman, i.e. gender non-binary). This is a really weird usage of the terms a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/06/17 10:42 PM |
| 2 | AEI-Brookings research debunks the myth that mothers work more hours than fathers when unpaid work is includedLet's say a man spends 40 hours a week in a job. His wife spends 40 hours a week caring for the child. You say that it isn't work; it's just spending time with your kids, probably a privilege. Doesn't this mean that she should go out and work a 40 hour a week job on top of that, so that she's actually working too? I don't see how men being treated badly in the divorce process means that child-care isn't work. | /r/MensRights | 11/06/17 09:08 PM |
| 2 | AEI-Brookings research debunks the myth that mothers work more hours than fathers when unpaid work is includedIt seems to me that the point of talking about how much work each person does is to compare each person's contribution to the family unit. If that's the case, both employed and non-employed work should count. If we just compare employed work, what does that tell us? Nothing important, as far as I can tell. If the man does 40 hours a week of employed work and the woman does 0, that doesn't tell us that there's an imbalance in contribution. | /r/MensRights | 11/06/17 04:32 PM |
| 3 | AEI-Brookings research debunks the myth that mothers work more hours than fathers when unpaid work is includedIt's not renumerative work. You don't get paid to take care of something that is yours. You pay others to take care of that which is yours. I don't object to anything you've said here. | /r/MensRights | 10/06/17 10:33 PM |
| 3 | AEI-Brookings research debunks the myth that mothers work more hours than fathers when unpaid work is includedYou don't understand cause yer a fuckin' pedantic idiot. Just explain your position, no need for anger and insults. | /r/MensRights | 10/06/17 10:17 PM |
| 1 | AEI-Brookings research debunks the myth that mothers work more hours than fathers when unpaid work is includedI'm not sure I understand. Some people say that mothers work more than fathers when taking into account non-employed work, and the research on the topic finds that to be false. How does that mean that caring for one's children isn't work? | /r/MensRights | 10/06/17 09:34 PM |
| 3 | AEI-Brookings research debunks the myth that mothers work more hours than fathers when unpaid work is includedThe notion that a mother's overwhelming biological impulses to care for her children is "work" is probably one of the more destructive ideas of the 20th century. Are you saying that caring for one's children isn't work? If so, in what way isn't it work? It's not employment but the same can be said for the man doing landscaping, or doing repairs around the house, and I'd still call those things work. | /r/MensRights | 10/06/17 09:04 PM |
| 12 | Q4men: Have any men here ever screwed over their SO's?"Men do X. I know this because the men who don't do X aren't really men." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/06/17 03:08 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Fiscal Gender Roles can be changed and eliminated, but Biological Gender roles will never changeBoy, how convenient is it that the traits which we as a society consider positive and intellectual are simply natural to men, and the ones that we value less are simply natural for women? Funny how that happened. Is that really the situation we have? Eagly and Mladinic (1994) found that stereotypes of women were evaluated more positively than stereotypes of men. Study: “Are People Prejudiced Against Women? Some Answers From Research on Attitudes, Gender Stereotypes, and Judgments of Competence” … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/06/17 02:16 AM |
| 12 | CMV: Fiscal Gender Roles can be changed and eliminated, but Biological Gender roles will never changeI share the intuition that some gender roles are more "escapable" than others but the particular distinction you're drawing isn't very clear. A fiscal role means some human-based action, like having a specific job, or being able to do something, like vote, be in the front lines, become a programmer, to be a working mom, etc. A biological role means more behavioral actions, like being respected for being strong or speaking up, being liked for looking feminine or masculine, being appreciated more … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/06/17 07:21 PM |
| 3 | Weekly | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/06/17 12:49 PM |
| 1 | Q4RP: What do feminists mean when they speak about objectification?Didn't see your edit until after. I think I agree with your points but not with your terminology; advertising is indeed based on insecurity and desire, and commenting on such a performance with a mention of her looks can reasonably be criticized as off-topic or crude, but I don't think I'd apply the term "objectification" in most of those cases. For example, in a "she is hot and powerful, unlike you" commercial, is there really an implication of someone being an "object" and not a person? I pers… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/06/17 01:09 AM |
| 1 | Q4RP: What do feminists mean when they speak about objectification?I think there are some cases where the concept of "objectification" is useful. For example, leaks of nudes (from celebrities or others) are often tolerated/encouraged even by tech-savvy, otherwise privacy-minded people on the internet, and I think it's a valid point to see some amount of "you see them as objects for your pleasure rather than people who deserve rights like privacy" here. But most of the time I see the term "objectification" used, it's in a very sex-negative way. It's used as a sy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/17 09:04 PM |
| 3 | Q4BP: Do you believe women care about looks/are visual?Good answer, particularly in being clear that "personality" is not just niceness. I don't think it's surprising that men end up with this impression though. Niceness (and synonyms for it) are really, really common in dating advice for men, both from women and even other men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/17 08:58 PM |
| 1 | Finding common ground between Redpillers and Bluepillers.Okay, well good for you, but telling below average guys who may not be athletic, strong, etc, to compete with the most popular guys and top athletes is pretty stupid IMHO. Lifting won't make them as athletic and strong as top athletes, but it can make them a lot stronger and more athletic than they were before. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/17 08:37 PM |
| 3 | CMV - Robert Fisher shows us that Red Pill is not serious about self improvement, that it's opposition to Feminism and sexism in general that brings all the boys to the yardIf RedPillSchool Rollo Archwinger and I collectivly decide that the Red Pill is about milking goats and can sell you guys on the new goat milking direction then the Red Pill is officially about goat milking strategy. Paging /u/Archwinger, please do this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/17 07:40 PM |
| 3 | Q4RP: What do feminists mean when they speak about objectification?If objectification only ever referred to things along the lines of groping, sexually harassing, catcalling, etc., then there wouldn't be anywhere near the same problem with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/17 07:16 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: Women of PPD, how often do you see a male FACE that stuns you? And what for you is the male equivalent of boobs?What you described wasn't treating men and women differently, it was treating people they find attractive and people they don't find attractive differently. Also, are all cases of treating men and women differently sexism? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/17 07:13 PM |
| 0 | Q4Women: Women of PPD, how often do you see a male FACE that stuns you? And what for you is the male equivalent of boobs?Unfortunately, I'm sure some men and lesbians have only been nice/helpful towards me because of them (which is kinda sexist). I don't think "sexist" is the word I'd use for being more helpful towards someone you find attractive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/06/17 01:56 PM |
| 1 | [Discussion] Are many women ingrained with an "independent organ that allows them to lie"? If so, what important/unimportant things do women lie about, and why do they do it?I'm still interested in the answer to this: "If I wasn't supposed to evaluate the truthfulness of the claim made in the passage, how was I supposed to evaluate the passage? Should I have given my thoughts on the quality of writing? That's more suited to a literary subreddit, not a gender one." No, it was directed as Leane, cuittler, ppdframe, and alreadyred, who have openly violated rules themselves and been hugely inconsistent in their own moderation, and not been admonished for it. I have not … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/17 09:50 PM |
| 1 | [Discussion] Are many women ingrained with an "independent organ that allows them to lie"? If so, what important/unimportant things do women lie about, and why do they do it?I'm still interested in the answer to this: "If I wasn't supposed to evaluate the truthfulness of the claim made in the passage, how was I supposed to evaluate the passage? Should I have given my thoughts on the quality of writing? That's more suited to a literary subreddit, not a gender one." If or when that ever happens, sure. But that requires truth to be a goal of all other posters and mods of PPD as well, which isn't likely. I posted research rather than anecdotal speculation and you were v… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/17 09:12 PM |
| 1 | [Discussion] Are many women ingrained with an "independent organ that allows them to lie"? If so, what important/unimportant things do women lie about, and why do they do it?Then you'll join me in welcoming posts that provide research rather than anecdotal speculation to fix that problem. (I don't know what the quip about mods is referring to.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/17 08:56 PM |
| 1 | [Discussion] Are many women ingrained with an "independent organ that allows them to lie"? If so, what important/unimportant things do women lie about, and why do they do it?The passage was FICTION. Is that so difficult to understand? It was not statement made as if it were fact. If I wasn't supposed to evaluate the truthfulness of the claim made in the passage, how was I supposed to evaluate the passage? Should I have given my thoughts on the quality of writing? That's more suited to a literary subreddit, not a gender one. If you had bothered to state an opinion, maybe it would be. Instead you linked to other people's opinions. I'm having a hard time believing that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/17 06:29 PM |
| 6 | Why do men have a lot of blowback when complaining about being single and women get unconditional support?Because you're not listening to my answers since they don't confirm to your preconceived narrative. I'm not in agreement with your preconceived narrative. Your answers have mostly involved taking what I say and exaggerating it to comic proportions and then challenging that. I asked you a simple question, and if your answer to that question is "no" then you could have simply said that. You're being exceptionally evasive, which makes it seem like you can't give a "no" answer but you don't want to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/17 02:48 AM |
| 8 | Why do men have a lot of blowback when complaining about being single and women get unconditional support?I don't know how everybody sees men. Your generalization is a little bit broad. This is like pulling teeth. I didn't refer to something that everyone does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/17 02:34 AM |
| 6 | Why do men have a lot of blowback when complaining about being single and women get unconditional support?So according to you, when a woman complains it's not as big a deal because "she's just a woman, that's what they do". But when a guy complains he gets attacked because all men are supposed to real life Marlboro Men? You're taking my position, exaggerating it to comic proportions, and then challenging that, rather than answering the question that I actually asked. Again, agree or disagree: people are, generally speaking, more likely to see men as whiny (or more likely to see whiny men negatively)… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/17 02:03 AM |
| 4 | Why do men have a lot of blowback when complaining about being single and women get unconditional support?Because women never get accused of being whiny or bitchy? I think it was pretty clear that I was suggesting that men encounter it more often, not that women never encounter it. But if that wasn't clear then, it should be clear now. So again, agree or disagree: people are, generally speaking, more likely to see men as whiny (or more likely to see whiny men negatively). I don't think this is controversial. That's a pretty basic result of gender roles, don't you think? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/17 01:50 AM |
| 11 | Why do men have a lot of blowback when complaining about being single and women get unconditional support?When you start being a whiny dick about it you get pushback. Agree or disagree: people are, generally speaking, more likely to see men as whiny (or more likely to see whiny men negatively). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/05/17 01:03 AM |
| 2 | [Discussion] Are many women ingrained with an "independent organ that allows them to lie"? If so, what important/unimportant things do women lie about, and why do they do it?And you offered no opinion on the passage, rather you linked data to answer a fictional scenario rather than provide an opinion that YOU actually held. The passage made some claims about gender. I said that the research does not support those claims. Is it really not clear from this that my opinion is that the claims are wrong? It's like if someone asked me if I like the color blue, and I answered "Blue is really just the 450-495nm wavelength of the visible color spectrum." It's factually true, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/17 10:02 PM |
| 2 | [Discussion] Are many women ingrained with an "independent organ that allows them to lie"? If so, what important/unimportant things do women lie about, and why do they do it?He asked like 3 more questions as well, that had nothing to do with the data you linked. After the question that I just quoted, he asked two other questions. Both of the second two were to a large extent based on the first one and the overall opinion of the passage (I'm basing this on the content of the questions and the fact that one included "if you agree with that passage?" at the end). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/17 09:11 PM |
| 3 | [Discussion] Are many women ingrained with an "independent organ that allows them to lie"? If so, what important/unimportant things do women lie about, and why do they do it?Because people are not answering the OP's questions, they are trying to debate the veracity of the PURELY FICTIONAL claim contained IN A WORK OF FICTION. OP asked: "Thoughts on this passage? Do you agree with it?" I'm not sure I understand what you think is an appropriate response to OP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/17 09:02 PM |
| 3 | [Discussion] Are many women ingrained with an "independent organ that allows them to lie"? If so, what important/unimportant things do women lie about, and why do they do it?Thoughts on this passage? Do you agree with it? From actual research on the topic (rather than someone's "personal opinion"), it does not appear to be the case that women have some special tendency towards lying. The paper "Gender Differences in Honesty: Groups Versus Individuals" (Economics Letters, 2015) summarizes the research on gender and lying: "the findings suggest that males are to some extent more likely to lie, however, gender differences under individual incentive schemes are often no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/17 08:44 PM |
| 1 | QFW: Can men be too cute, or attractive for you to talk to them?No, it's an unsuccessful attempt. As is the guy walking up and asking an uninterested girl who immediately turns him down. If someone walks up then even they've succeeded at the act of initiating, even if they get rejected. If someone passively hints at their interest and the other person doesn't notice (or doesn't realize that it the intention) then they've unsuccessfully tried to hint someone else into initiating. Even if the other person did notice and did realize the intention and decided no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/17 12:57 PM |
| 1 | QFW: Can men be too cute, or attractive for you to talk to them?But it's entirely possible that despite her passively suggesting interest, no interaction actually occurs (if he doesn't notice that she did something, or doesn't realize that it was intended as a hint of interest). Is it really initiating interaction if no interaction actually occurs? I'd describe it as attempting to get him to initiate an interaction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/17 04:15 AM |
| 1 | QFW: Can men be too cute, or attractive for you to talk to them?Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I'm not trying to convince women to take the active role. If the passive role works for them then that's fine (I understand the appeal, most people would avoid risking rejection if they could). I'm just saying that the passive role doesn't count as initiating. As for me ignoring things: I'm ignoring things that aren't passively suggesting interest because the question we were addressing is whether passively suggesting interest counts as initiating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/17 03:58 AM |
| 17 | Why AF/BB is wrongsome women will FWB men that they wouldn't dream of marrying while waiting and hoping for a man of their dreams. The FWB/plated man is just a stand in while she's looking for a man who excites her sexually and emotionally for a LTR. This is common. [...] many more women would like to FWB a nice guy for the sex but are too worried that he'll develop feelings for her or he'll feel possessive towards her. So she has a string of unsatisfying relationships, in which she still hurts the guy when she b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/17 03:50 AM |
| 1 | QFW: Can men be too cute, or attractive for you to talk to them?I'm not sure there's more else to say, except to repeat that I really don't think that most people would consider a guy as initiating if he makes eye contact with a woman and hopes that she comes and talks to him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/17 03:41 AM |
| 1 | QFW: Can men be too cute, or attractive for you to talk to them?In your example he's going over. I don't think that's applicable to what we were talking about, which is whether making eye contact itself (or more broadly passively showing interest, like laughing at someone's jokes, which can be intended as showing interest) counts as initiating. I don't think that most people would count it as initiating if a man makes eye contact with a woman and hopes that she comes to talk to him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/17 03:22 AM |
| 1 | QFW: Can men be too cute, or attractive for you to talk to them?Most people would look at a man funny if he said that he initiated when he really meant that he made eye contact with some women and hoped that they came and talked to him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/05/17 03:12 AM |
| 1 | QFW: Can men be too cute, or attractive for you to talk to them?I'm not saying that women don't often give IOIs. I just don't consider passively showing interest to be initiating. We don't use that standard for men, so it's strange to make up a lower standard for what counts as initiating to use for women, presumably to inflate how often/much they initiate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/17 01:20 PM |
| 1 | CMV:Feminism is a massive true scotsman fallacyWe're not talking about defining a simple word, we're talking about defining a political movement. One sentence, even the perfect sentence for that movement (and I don't think the sentence you gave is anywhere near perfect), isn't enough to capture very much about that movement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/17 01:16 PM |
| 1 | QFW: Can men be too cute, or attractive for you to talk to them?Explain to me how passively showing interest isn't initiating. If a man passively shows interest (and plenty of men do just that) we don't say that he initiated. We're basically using a lower standard of "initiate" for women (that we don't use for men) just to say that they initiate as often. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/17 01:14 PM |
| 3 | QFW: Can men be too cute, or attractive for you to talk to them?Right. If a man did those things, we wouldn't say that he initiated contact. And I don't see why we'd have a different standard for women just to say that they initiate contact as often. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/17 11:52 PM |
| 3 | Gender identity politics make no senseI'm using an extreme example because this is a wishy washy categorization and thus the extreme ones are the only clear ones. It's not wishy-washy. If he's more feminine than masculine, and gender identity is determined by gender roles, then he's a woman. But I don't think that makes sense. Also I don't think you addressed my points. Do you think that it's OK for a man to be more feminine than masculine? If a man is defined in terms of masculinity, how is that allowing a man to be feminine? It's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/17 11:45 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP: How do you respond to the logic that women have more abundant options than men and therefore do not commit to a relationship in the same way that a man does?I wasn't referring to the average. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/17 11:42 PM |
| 1 | How would you react to this stuff from your partner/husband?Fuck. Read the sidebar and lift are standard fare. Which is saying that it's useful, not that it's necessary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/17 11:40 PM |
| 3 | Gender identity politics make no senseBut if he takes on not only a female role, but also a female name, female preferred pronouns, female clothing, female communication styles, female everything how much sense would it make to still call him a man? (Let's leave out pronouns because that's gender (identity) rather than gender role, and we're talking about whether gender role determines gender identity. Let's also leave out name because that's not something you choose.) I wouldn't call him a woman just for being feminine because it's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/17 02:42 PM |
| 5 | Gender identity politics make no senseOh my God I keep seeing this—defining gender (man/woman) in terms gender roles (masculine/feminine)—from social justice leaning people and I have no idea where they get it. First, it's not based on anything we do now (as it stands, a feminine man might be seen negatively, but they aren't seen as a woman; likewise a masculine woman might be seen negatively but she isn't seen as a man). Second, it doesn't seem like "progress" or anything we should want to change to. It's changing the definition of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/17 02:29 PM |
| 2 | Gender identity politics make no senseIt's still up to you to decide if you identify as a man or a woman, but it's also up to you how much feminity and masculinity you express. But what you said sounded like you identify as a man or a woman based on how much femininity or masculinity you express ("Your gender identity is which gender role you identify with"). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/17 02:23 PM |
| 3 | Gender identity politics make no senseShow us some of those conversations or definitions first. Didn't you just do what OP is referring to? She said: When you ask them what gender is they start describing gender roles. And you, in another post, described gender (identity) as being based on gender roles: Your gender identity is which gender role you identify with. Your gender identity is a part of yourself, gender roles are a part of society. [https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/6dmeb3/gender_identity_politics_make_no_… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/17 02:12 PM |
| 1 | Gender identity politics make no senseYour gender identity is which gender role you identify with. Your gender identity is a part of yourself, gender roles are a part of society. This would mean that I can't be a man and be more feminine than masculine, which sounds like a problem, don't you think? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/17 02:07 PM |
| 2 | CMV:Feminism is a massive true scotsman fallacyTreating women equally is bad, treating women equally is good is literally what you just said. Reducing feminism down to "treating women equally" and saying that if you're against feminism then you're against treating women equally is like reducing Christianity down to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" (the Golden Rule) and saying that if you're against Christianity then you're against the Golden Rule. There's so much more to Christianity, and there's so much more to feminism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/17 02:04 PM |
| 9 | Q4RP, if single mothers are the problem and create bad men, who do you risk having children at all when there is no guarantee that you and your partner will stay together?Just to set the stage, there is some pretty good evidence that single parenthood is detrimental to children, particularly boys. It's associated with behavioural problems and delinquency (such as acting out, being suspended from school, etc.). Some researchers have argued that it's a result of parental involvement being more important for boys' development, and parental involvement is naturally lower when there's one parent rather than two. This paper explores the importance of the home and schoo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/17 01:31 AM |
| 3 | Q4BP: How do you respond to the logic that women have more abundant options than men and therefore do not commit to a relationship in the same way that a man does?Who are you more loyal to? Your partner or your job? Many people do go through partners more than they go through jobs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/05/17 12:51 AM |
| 3 | Q4BP- Sex, Entitlements and MoralityYou don't support state ownership of the "sexual means of production"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/17 10:50 PM |
| 2 | "Women are hormonal" ; so are men.4/5 of /u/future_space_boobs's numbers were about arrests. I don't think discrimination that happens later would be relevant for arrest numbers, would it? You're right that women are treated better at numerous stages but I don't think all of them are relevant here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/17 10:35 PM |
| 5 | Q4BP- Sex, Entitlements and MoralityAbsolutely - you're never entitled to someone else's body. Fine enough, but are you entitled to someone else's services? (I actually lean closer to the expected blue perspective on OP's question for a variety of reasons, but it's an interesting question nonetheless.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/17 10:31 PM |
| 4 | "Women are hormonal" ; so are men.Finding: Women’s chances of being arrested are 28% lower for kidnapping, 48% lower for forcible fondling, 9% lower for simple assault, and 27% lower for intimidation. No difference was found for forcible rape or robbery. "Sex differences in the likelihood of arrest" by Lisa Stolzenberg and Stewart J. D’Alessio (2004, Journal of Criminal Justice) This could explain some of it but it's definitely true that men on average commit a lot more violent crime. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/17 10:21 PM |
| 1 | How would you react to this stuff from your partner/husband?People say this constantly. If someone is experiencing a lack of success the first thing that will be said to them is 'lift'. That's just saying that it's useful, not that it's necessary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/17 08:16 PM |
| 2 | How would you react to this stuff from your partner/husband?There's definitely merit in women learning how to not be pushovers to avoid being taken advantage of in some way. However I think that it's even more important for men, because the same reason applies to them, and because being a pushover decreases their attractiveness to a greater extent than it does for women. Also, a lot of advice for men ("just do whatever she tells you") specifically encourages being a pushover. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/17 12:30 PM |
| 8 | How would you react to this stuff from your partner/husband?Not being a pushover might be the #1 most important piece lacking in current dating/relationship advice for men that I wish would be added. So much of it, unfortunately, actually recommends the exact opposite (some examples I compiled once, including Barack Obama's advice of "do whatever she tells you"). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/17 03:26 AM |
| 3 | How would you react to this stuff from your partner/husband?Only 'chads' (I hate using that expression) get laid, or at the very least you absolutely must lift weights in order to get laid. Who believes that you have to lift weights to get laid? I don't think I've encountered that idea. If anyone's reading this who thinks that, can they comment? I'm one of the most enthusiastic people with regard to the positive benefits of lifting weights and even I don't think that it's necessary, just useful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/05/17 02:35 AM |
| 3 | Q4RP: Red-Pillers of PPD, can you point me to any serious scientific evidence that women are more emotional and less logical/rational than men?That's an empirical question and you haven't offered any evidence for your position, only stated your position. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/17 07:34 PM |
| 9 | Q4RP: Red-Pillers of PPD, can you point me to any serious scientific evidence that women are more emotional and less logical/rational than men?Red-Pillers of PPD, can you point me to any serious scientific evidence that women are more emotional and less logical/rational than men? Not an RPer, but women are on average higher in neuroticism: In college and adult samples, women score higher then men on the Five Factor Model (FFM) personality traits of Neuroticism and Agreeableness. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2031866/] Definition of neuroticism from Wikipedia: Individuals who score high on neuroticism are more likely tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/05/17 07:32 PM |
| 7 | Amanda Marcotte, Big Red and Jessica Valenti...why the hate for these feminists?One article from Jessica Valenti that stands out is the least convincing attempt to convince people that you don't hate the opposite sex that I've ever heard (at least since I heard a redpiller say "I obviously don't hate women because I love having sex with them!"). Most feminists, like me, shun the label and work to convince people that despite the stereotypes feminists absolutely, without a doubt, do not hate men. But so what if we did? It’s not that I recommend hating men or think it a parti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/05/17 07:53 PM |
| 2 | Q4Women: Women of PPD, do you like to when (ripped, attractive) men are very physically dominant and playful with you in a way that relegates you to a child-like status?It's a common myth that women are really attracted to muscles and muscular definition, but it is just not true. That's not to say no woman has ever been attracted to this, but it's not the priority that many men seem to think that it is. If it was then (a) virtually no men would be dateable, (b) if you went back 50-60 years when no men attempted to acquire this sort of physique through the gym, almost literally no-one would have been dateable. Being attracted to something or considering it an ad… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/17 01:11 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: Women of PPD, do you like to when (ripped, attractive) men are very physically dominant and playful with you in a way that relegates you to a child-like status?However, women don't think about men the way men think about women. I assure you that women get hugely sexually aroused every day by men who are not ripped. I wouldn't claim that you need to be muscular and lean to be attractive to women, only that it's a noticeable advantage. And what you say also applies to men getting aroused by women who don't have an above average physique, so I'm not sure how men and women are different in this regard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/17 12:59 PM |
| 3 | Q4Women: Women of PPD, do you like to when (ripped, attractive) men are very physically dominant and playful with you in a way that relegates you to a child-like status?It depends on what we mean by "ripped" (I've seen it used for anything from an IFBB pro bodybuilder to a scrawny guy who happens to have abs), but I'd say without hesitation that being reasonably muscular and lean will generally be a noticeable advantage for a man's attractiveness compared to whatever average or "default" male body someone has in mind (skinny, overweight, dad bod, skinny fat, etc.). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/17 09:12 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Most feminists at some level do hate menWould you accept a man (for example, a TRPer) saying "I don't hate women, I'm just frustrated by the way women act a lot of the time"? (You probably disagree with how TRPers think women act, but I disagree with you on how you think men act.) I actually avoid accusations of hatred (except in extreme cases) because it's not clear what the difference between hating a group and having a negative opinion of them is. So strictly speaking I don't disagree with your point here, but I do think that it do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/17 08:05 PM |
| 6 | Q4All: What was your last nervous breakdown, freakout, or awkward moment brought about by sex and gender issues?That fact that you think "virgin shaming" is comparable to slut shaming is laughable tbh. [...] Shaming people for being creepy and misogynistic is not the same as shaming them for their gender. Virgin means someone who hasn't had sex. It does not mean "creepy and misogynistic". Slut means someone who has a lot of casual sex. It does not mean "being a woman". Of course if you want to make very negative assumptions about male virgins then feel free, but you can't really complain if people make ve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/17 10:54 PM |
| 2 | Do you believe that women as a whole are nicer/more moral more principled than men are?This thread is tagged "question for feminists / blue pillers". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/17 10:37 PM |
| 3 | Is Red Pill cool with lying?I get that without religion it's difficult to argue for a universal, objective morality, but certainly without being religious you can still believe certain things to be morally wrong. If you could steal money from me with no chance of getting caught, would you do it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/17 05:31 PM |
| 6 | Q4Feminists: Why do you try to label people as Feminists?I guess it's similar to how TRPers will try to label anyone that supports self improvement as an RPer [...] That's not a phenomenon I've really noticed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/17 02:09 PM |
| 8 | TRP is closer to a right-wing way of thinkingFeminism is an integral part of leftism. More important than all the other parts combined? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/17 02:20 AM |
| 2 | TRP is closer to a right-wing way of thinkingAny red piller who doesn't think he's right wing is just kidding himself. Paging /u/Ercole-- | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/05/17 01:07 AM |
| 3 | TRP is closer to a right-wing way of thinkingCertainly by European standards she's right-wing, but it's trickier considering the actual rest of the world. She's clearly to the left of a pretty big chunk of the world in Africa, the Middle East, and Asia, for example, at least socially (it's more variable economically). But I don't think any of that really matters. The labels of right and left are usually used within the context of a particular country. Using the entire scale from Cuba or North Korea on the left to Saudi Arabia on the right … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/17 10:45 PM |
| 3 | TRP is closer to a right-wing way of thinkingI didn't reference Milo or people like him. All of the things I mentioned in my first point are explicit white identity politics arguing for government intervention explicitly based on race to demographically benefit white people. Milo doesn't come anywhere near that, even the mild approach (well, comparatively mild) of halting non-white immigration that I mentioned. He criticizes Islam and Black Lives Matter, which isn't the same at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/17 10:29 PM |
| 3 | TRP is closer to a right-wing way of thinkingMilo tried to steal the term and change that to be edgy, but he failed. Do you have an example of him using the term on himself? In this interview he explicitly denies it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgl53EXInPc | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/17 10:27 PM |
| 7 | TRP is closer to a right-wing way of thinkingAn example: "the Jews run Hollywood and the media!" vs. "white males run Hollywood and the media!". The alt-right talks about “Jewish power”, “Jewish hegemony”, and the “Jewish Power Structure”, while the social justice left talks about “male power” and “white supremacy”. [https://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2017/02/05/horseshoe-theory-the-social-justice-left-on-men-and-the-alt-right-on-jews-and-blacks/] That's a very ignorant thing to say. The alt-righters views range from "blacks should be ki… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/17 10:16 PM |
| 1 | TRP is closer to a right-wing way of thinkingFor example, the Americans think Hillary and Merkel are leftists, when they obviously aren't. For Merkel, I don't think the vast majority of Americans know anything about her. For Clinton, she certainly seems left within an American context. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/17 10:05 PM |
| 2 | TRP is closer to a right-wing way of thinking3)This one is obvious but TRPillers not only hate political correctness but they go out of their way just to be blatantly rude and offensive with no care about the feelings of others. This is contrast to the mostly left-wing way of thinking that we should try not to hurt the feelings of others. 4)Making generalizations in general about a group of people or believing a group of people is more biologically inclined to do X is generally closer to the right-wing way of viewing the world. I think the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/17 10:03 PM |
| 2 | Q4RP: Do you believe men and women can have a complementary relationship without the dominance/submission setup?...and now I think I get it. I couldn't even entertain the idea that this hypothetical woman was in charge of such a bad dude. Actually I was imagining the opposite: the assumption that she is indeed in charge but he's not really such a "bad motherfucker". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/17 09:45 PM |
| 2 | Men, have you ever been the victim of femsplaining?Usually you end up losing in a big way in a game if you shoot an innocent person. Usually, but not all cases certainly. That's something that would have to be looked at on a game-by-game basis, don't you think? If you can shoot innocent women in one game and receive no penalty then that doesn't mean much (for gender) if you can also shoot innocent men in that game and receive no penalty. I don't know the situation for Hitman Absolution; do you? Personally I'd be surprised to see cases where harm… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/17 05:30 PM |
| 14 | Q4RP: Do you believe men and women can have a complementary relationship without the dominance/submission setup?I don't understand the distaste for the captain/first mate idea. It's not like it's an insult to her. I may be in charge, but she's a bad motherfucker just for being able to ride in my boat. Think of the distaste most RPers feel if they heard a woman say "I may be in charge, but he's still a bad motherfucker". That might help explain the distaste some feel for what you're saying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/05/17 04:08 PM |
| 5 | UK Management executive convicted of torture, stabbing his wife in the foot with a knife, given a free pass on community service due to busy schedule.Off the top of my head, class is not something that I really see controlled for in these studies. This article explains: One limitation of this study was that socioeconomic status (SES) information was not available in the data set (Monitoring of Federal Criminal Sentences), and thus, could not be included in the current analysis. It is not unusual for measures of SES to be missing from sentencing research. In prior years of federal data a variable representing defendant income was available, ho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/17 07:54 PM |
| 3 | What PPD related dating and relationship phrases or sayings are you tired of hearing?I think many here do view sex and relationships almost as a transaction - putting values on each 'side' and creating strategies for success. There's little belief in romance or love really - it's all about what you bring to the table and getting the best possible 'deal' out of it Thinking about a strategy and considering what you have to offer is just a slightly more articulated way to say "put in conscious effort to try to get more success in dating". What's the alternative, if you're not doing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/17 12:56 PM |
| 2 | Would you rather be an ugly man or an ugly woman?For instance, more men should say "I hope you get raped" or "you're too ugly to get raped". Why? What would this accomplish? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/17 12:53 PM |
| 13 | Woman may not serve jail time for stabbing man due to it 'possibly damaging her career'People are interpreting you as asking for sources when they're clearly there, but I think you saw them and you were making a joke about it being rare to provide sources. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/17 12:14 PM |
| 1 | Would you rather be an ugly man or an ugly woman?There's no need for that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/17 02:13 AM |
| 3 | Does female hypergamy get stronger in the cities? Has it gotten out of control?Most men are able to get relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/17 01:31 AM |
| 6 | Woman may not serve jail time for stabbing man due to it 'possibly damaging her career'/u/theiamsamurai mentioned it but I want to confirm; these studies control for criminal record, severity of crime, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/05/17 12:58 AM |
| 1 | Woman may not serve jail time for stabbing man due to it 'possibly damaging her career'I'm wondering how much of the judge's decision was actually gender based. It's hard to tell; that's why I'd prefer paying attention to statistics and studies of sentencing overall rather than speculating about one case. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/17 11:45 PM |
| 26 | Woman may not serve jail time for stabbing man due to it 'possibly damaging her career'It is almost as if this has almost nothing to do with gender... It's hard to comment on particular cases, but in general sentencing has a lot to do with gender. Men get substantially longer sentences than women, with the studies I've seen ranging from 12% to 63% longer (sources). Women are also less likely to be sentenced to prison at all, they get lower bail amounts, less likely to be arrested, etc. This is all controlling for criminal record, type of crime, severity, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/17 11:31 PM |
| 4 | The affects of thirsty & simp men in SMP?For those, like me, who've never heard the term "simp man": http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=simp | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/17 09:17 PM |
| 4 | Are left-wing politics really feminine?Someone recently argued to me that it's useful to view right vs left as owners interests versus workers interests, do you think that is a useful framework in any respects? That's how a socialist or left-winger might see it, but people on the right actually do think that their policies are better for workers than left-wing policies are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/17 02:44 PM |
| – | CMV: More and more women are using threats of rape to get what they want, and men have no defense against this.This was reported for having a non-neutral title; if this was tagged discussion then that would have applied, but this is a CMV. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/17 02:37 PM |
| 1 | A woman stating harsh red pill reality : Lauren SouthernThis was removed because we require more content (like actual discussion questions) when linking to an article or a video. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/17 02:35 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Most red pillers don't really understand hookups or fwb at allOnly a very small minority of guys don't understand basic social skills. Are you suggesting that a large majority of guys have enough social skills to reliably get causal sex? If so, I disagree. I agree but fitness and fashion are hardly concepts unique to trp. Certainly, although as I mentioned in another post, I think that both fitness (particularly lifting) and fashion are often discouraged in men. It's quite common for people to be negative and discouraging about lifting: it's a shallow ende… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/17 11:18 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Most red pillers don't really understand hookups or fwb at allOutside of those people raised in a closet, who does not know that brushing ones tooth, proper toileting, and good fitness are good things. I actually think it's quite common for people to be negative and discouraging about lifting: it's a shallow endeavour, you'll be a "dudebro", you'll get too big and "muscles are gross", etc. next thing you know TRP is going to try and take credit for people for people using tp after a bm I don't know what this means. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/17 11:17 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Most red pillers don't really understand hookups or fwb at allThe only red pill techniques that are at all relevant are "be confident" and "lift" but pretty much every socially well adjusted guy already knew that. There are plenty of guys who aren't socially well-adjusted and don't know that stuff. There are also many guys who know it but don't know how to achieve it. None of them seem to have any idea of what women actually look for in casual sex partners. They all seem to think it's like an ltr where personality is front when all that matters is being at… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/17 11:05 PM |
| 5 | Q4RFeminism and Feminism in general: please explain why some of you think falsely accusing a men of rape does not ruin his life.We can find plenty of feminists (probably a majority) who don't think it's a large enough problem to give it much attention, but I think it's quite rare for feminists to think it's OK to do (I can think of just one example, someone at a university saying that men who are falsely accused might learn something about "rape culture"). I'm not sure where OP is coming from there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/17 08:27 PM |
| 2 | Why do so many red pillers assume that feminists having sex with them somehow validates their ideas?I'm not sure I'm in the same country as you, but it's reasonable that employers (in this case, the government) would be responsible for injuries and damage that occurred on the job, to a reasonable extent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/17 08:20 PM |
| 18 | Is there a compelling reason to support the relative indifference to homeless men in the U.S.?We live in a society where people tend to care more about the safety and well-being of women than men. That's not just an attitude held by women—it's also very common among men (we could call it "internalized misandry"). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/17 06:39 PM |
| 0 | Why do so many red pillers assume that feminists having sex with them somehow validates their ideas?Society does owe me certain things. Like what? And how have you decided that they owe you these things? Do you owe them things of comparable value? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/17 06:37 PM |
| 2 | Black Pigeon's video about how women destroy nations is sillyThe Manosphere users worship and love attractive women, so they think that every man alive does as well and they all sacrifice their lives/goals for women. They do not want to hold men accountable for any of their actions, thoughts or beliefs. I get what you're saying with the point about hyperagency/hypoagency (which is a funny reversal from the norm of treating men as hyperagents and women as hypoagents) but for this specific example I really do think it is the case that men, generally speakin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/17 06:18 PM |
| 15 | Men should give up on careers and just be bad boys while women focus on their careersYou don't see to have a very high opinion of men. Funny, that's exactly what I thought when I read a comment by you recently saying that men are obsessed with controlling women. Lol "misandry" is an mra fairy tale. Women aren't obsessed with controlling men like men are with women. [https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/6awy0h/do_women_hate_weakunattractive_men/dhi2nik/] | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/17 06:05 PM |
| 1 | What are the unwritten rules of dating and relationships?What do you think will be all that different? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/17 04:06 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Men complain about the fear of losing their children in a divorce, but most of them wouldn't want full custody anyway.It's all about how the poor menz are suffering because women have rights now. Do you genuinely believe that this is their position, or are you intentionally trying to make them sound absurd? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/17 09:51 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Inviting Someone Out And Expecting Them To Pay Is RudeThese are two different things and you are grasping at straws First, you said "when you invite you pay when you are invited they pay", without saying "only if it's something with sexual undertones". Second, this is literally what this thread is about, the idea that this applies regardless of sexual undertones. stay gold ponyboy y...you too? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/17 01:02 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Inviting Someone Out And Expecting Them To Pay Is RudeI disagree. If I organize an event and invite some friends to go to a bar, if they expect me to pay for all of their food and drinks then that's quite rude. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/17 12:36 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Inviting Someone Out And Expecting Them To Pay Is RudeWhere's the equilibrium where no one is subsidizing anyone else? Where the man pays for his own things and for the woman's things? That doesn't make sense to me at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/17 04:07 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Inviting Someone Out And Expecting Them To Pay Is RudeIt is utterly laughable that these poor man babies want the women to subsidize their poon hunt. You see her paying for herself as subsidizing him? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/17 03:59 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Inviting Someone Out And Expecting Them To Pay Is RudeTrying to get someone you asked out on a date to chip in is sending a huge non abundance mentality message to all who can see it . That's an interesting interpretation. I'd say it's the opposite; if he lacks an abundance mentality then he's going to be more desperate and more likely to try to buy her affection (and more worried about offending her by expecting her to pay her own way). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/17 03:57 AM |
| 3 | CMV: Inviting Someone Out And Expecting Them To Pay Is RudeI don't know what to tell you, except etiquette is still etiquette. But this is not etiquette that I have ever encountered, let alone etiquette that is widely followed in any social circles I've been in, so it's not relevant to me. If I'm the organizer of a bar outing and everyone expects me to pay for them then I'll consider them to be rude. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/17 02:46 AM |
| 3 | The other side of the hypergamy coin: opportunityFunny how blues never use this sort of argument in discussions about why women earn less. A blue whose flair says "non-feminist" is a bit more likely to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/17 12:28 AM |
| 9 | CMV: Inviting Someone Out And Expecting Them To Pay Is RudeYes. Unless you make it very well known that the cost of their shit is up to them, the unspoken costs of the event are on the host. This is definitely not how it works everywhere. Here, if I organize a bar outing, it doesn't mean that I'm paying for everyone who comes. That's not even anything like a weekend away and it still could get really expensive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/17 09:11 PM |
| 9 | CMV: Inviting Someone Out And Expecting Them To Pay Is RudeI was always taught that if you ask someone out/invite them over, the burden is on you to provide the paid-for refreshments/entertainment. How does that work? If I see a new bar that looks interesting, I make plans and invite a couple of my friends, I'm expected to pay for all of their stuff? Does that include their transit or taxi to and from the venue? If I had to pay for everything whenever I came up with the idea, organized it, and invited people, I would organize things much less often, if … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/17 04:40 PM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: What widely held belief on this subreddit do you disagree with and why?Absolutely. Lifting has two really important benefits compared to other types of exercising: (1) you can select your exercises to make sure you train your entire body (a particular sport will neglect many parts of your body), and (2) you have fine-grained control over the load so that you can progress. I don't really see how it's remotely possible that structured training that is designed to build strength and muscle could be less efficient or produce less of an effect than just playing sports. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/17 04:33 PM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: What widely held belief on this subreddit do you disagree with and why?Again, as I've mentioned before, if you see Andy Murray, for example, shirtless he is absolutely ripped. He has a small amount of muscle and is quite lean. Of course that's not particularly visible with a shirt on. If he wanted to (i.e. if it was better for his sport) then he could build more muscle and it would absolutely be visible with his shirt on, as long as it wasn't especially baggy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/17 04:29 PM |
| 2 | If men are allowed to criticize and say nasty things about their experience with women in public, there will be less hatred and frustration against women today.He also presents two other hypothesis, and the one we're talking about now is in the middle in terms of what he believes its importance to be: There are three broad hypotheses about the sources of the very substantial disparities that this conference's papers document and have been documented before with respect to the presence of women in high-end scientific professions. One is what I would call the-I'll explain each of these in a few moments and comment on how important I think they are-the fi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/17 01:20 PM |
| 3 | If men are allowed to criticize and say nasty things about their experience with women in public, there will be less hatred and frustration against women today.I don't necessarily think that Konner is necessarily more sexist, considering his is sourced with research. Summers didn't cite anything in his statement did he? I think psychology research is mostly bunk but I'll table that for this bit. A fair point; is something sexist if it's true? That's why I don't generally like to even talk of what's sexist or not, I prefer to just talk about whether it's true. I avoided getting into that for this topic because if we usually jump to "that's sexist!" when… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/17 04:04 AM |
| 9 | If men are allowed to criticize and say nasty things about their experience with women in public, there will be less hatred and frustration against women today.Beyond that, they weren't allowed to fight in wars. That's like the most circular logic. I get that you can call it a disadvantage to be barred from being a soldier. I think it's a much larger disadvantage to be forced into being a soldier, however. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/17 03:18 AM |
| 7 | If men are allowed to criticize and say nasty things about their experience with women in public, there will be less hatred and frustration against women today.The counter argument I'd give to your first point is that your message to blacks makes it seem that it's only them that gangbang. A thought can occur that for everyone else, the gangbanging is totally fine, but it's over for blacks. There is an issue with sexual violation by men to women. Women do the same to men as well, and should be addressed and punished when it occurs, but it's not as commonplace. Aren't we in the same situation with all three of those examples? One group is more likely to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/17 12:12 AM |
| 26 | If men are allowed to criticize and say nasty things about their experience with women in public, there will be less hatred and frustration against women today.It's perhaps inaccurate to characterize the situation in terms of what people are "allowed" to say (because what does "allowed" mean?), but it seems blatantly obvious to me that there are massively different standards for what counts as hateful or sexist against men compared to what counts as hateful or sexist against women. (Whether OP's idea that this leads to more misogyny is correct is another question.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/17 11:56 PM |
| 14 | If men are allowed to criticize and say nasty things about their experience with women in public, there will be less hatred and frustration against women today.Can you give an example of things that men aren't allowed to say vs a comparable of what women are allowed to say? Here's an article on a reputable news site called "Memo to men: Your groping days are over". That's considered socially acceptable. The equivalent but targeted at another group ("Memo to women: Your gold-digging days are over" or "Memo to blacks: Your gangbanging days are over") would be considered extremely hateful and misogynistic (or racist)—I'd be very surprised to see it publis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/17 11:54 PM |
| 8 | Which parts of TRP don't work, in your opinion?I agree with you, I think the biggest problem with TRP subreddit is people trying to justify or prove things with dumb fucking studies and shit The worst part is making grand declarations about "female nature" (or "male nature") based on some women they've known. If there's even an attempt to look at studies then that's at least a bit better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/17 10:21 PM |
| 3 | What do you think about the relationship between Emmanuel Macron and his wife, Brigitte?One quote from the new French president doesn't define the character of the whole country. How does that sound like cowardice? It's probably true; France (and Europe more generally) seems to have a recurring terrorism problem that, even with the very best response starting now, wouldn't go away. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/17 07:45 PM |
| 3 | What do you think about the relationship between Emmanuel Macron and his wife, Brigitte?The US views the french as cowards, and they have earned that title How so? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/17 06:06 PM |
| 10 | New information appears to link New Hampshire congressman Robert Fisher to r/TRP admin redpillschool. Thoughts?You're talking to Atlas; the most offensive thing here is that he was originally a Democrat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/17 11:23 PM |
| 1 | QForWomen: Let us all tell the truth nowI want a male, who is at least six feet and two inches in height, of caucasian descent exclusively, has a full head off hair, perfect square jaw-line and makes at least one-hundred thousand dollars a year. Anything below that, I view the male as sub-standard froth that should not even bother approaching me. This looks like it'll turn into a circlejerk. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/17 09:51 PM |
| 6 | Are we critical enough when thinking about problems that don't affect our gender?And that brings us back to the first example. Every MRA will question WHY men often choose not to seek custody and they will try to find a problem there. But almost no MRA questions WHY women don't choose to work more, or go into higher paying fields It's really important to look at how the issue is presented. I'll speak for the earnings gap because that's considered a far bigger issue in our society. It's very common for it to be falsely presented as an issue of women making ~23% less for the s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/17 05:18 PM |
| 3 | [Q4ALL] There are 3 times as many MtF as FtM. Why do you think that is?Being a man is harder nowadays As /u/future_space_boobs noted, being transgender is harder than both. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/17 04:43 PM |
| 3 | Do women use feminism as an excuse for irresponsible behavior?but at the same time I also don't think it's right for people to suddenly want to flip the switch into "relationship mode" when they are done behaving somewhat irresponsibly. It sounds like you're suggesting that they take some sort of transition period in between, a "cool down" phase. Could you expand on that, and the reason for it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/17 11:21 PM |
| 1 | Is there any criticism regarding women that are made by RPers that you agree with?Good find, although in polyandry the "andry" refers to the partners rather than the person, and in polygyny the "gyny" refers to the partners too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/17 09:02 PM |
| 3 | Is there any criticism regarding women that are made by RPers that you agree with?If women marrying up is hypergamy, men marrying down is logically hypoandry. Why the "andry" at the end? Why not keep the "gamy" at the end, meaning marriage? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/17 11:54 PM |
| 2 | RP men are generally immoral and society with be better off without themResults are in: Mr Macron defeated far-right candidate Marine Le Pen by about 65.5% to 34.5% to become, at 39, the country's youngest president, the results show. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39839349] | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/17 08:21 PM |
| 2 | RP men are generally immoral and society with be better off without themAnd le Penn will most likely win tomorrow Update: Mr Macron defeated far-right candidate Marine Le Pen by about 65.5% to 34.5% to become, at 39, the country's youngest president, the results show. [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39839349] | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/17 08:21 PM |
| 9 | Is there any criticism regarding women that are made by RPers that you agree with?Do you really think women are tricking men in forces into raising Chad's kid?? The research indicates that paternity fraud happens at a rate of approximately 2-4%—certainly not a thing that a majority of women do, but it's hardly trivial. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/17 07:41 PM |
| 5 | Is there any criticism regarding women that are made by RPers that you agree with?It's a common stereotype but it's also commonly denied or considered offensive, from what I see. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/17 07:39 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Single moms have more value and are more desired than single dads.Does that mean you're taking back your statement that: Most people consider a man a single father if he is single and has children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/17 06:37 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Single moms have more value and are more desired than single dads.Most people consider a man a single father if he is single and has children. I don't think I've ever heard it used that way. Let's say he doesn't have custody at all; would you still call him a single father? That's weird. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/17 06:35 PM |
| 8 | Is there any criticism regarding women that are made by RPers that you agree with?I think they're right that women are on average more emotional (or, more accurately, more emotionally volatile). In college and adult samples, women score higher then men on the Five Factor Model (FFM) personality traits of Neuroticism and Agreeableness. The present study assessed the extent to which these gender differences held in a sample of 486 older adults, ranging in age from 65-98 (M = 75, SD = 6.5), using the NEO-Five Factor Inventory. Mean and Covariance Structure models testing gender … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/17 06:34 PM |
| 6 | RP men are generally immoral and society with be better off without themAnd le Penn will most likely win tomorrow 😀 That's not what the polls suggest. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/06/french-elections-2017-polls-odds-tracker/ The polls were wrong for Trump but they actually weren't that far off. FiveThirtyEight predicted Clinton with 48.5% (she got 48.2%) and Trump with 44.9% (he got 46.1%). That's a disparity of 0.3% and 1.2%. On the other hand, the French polls I linked have Macron at ~60% and Le Pen at ~40%. They'd have to be really, really, really wron… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/17 10:19 PM |
| 5 | What does feminism mean to you and why do you support/oppose it?What do you think of the argument that advocacy for women doesn't hurt men? This depends on what exactly is being done (in some cases advocating for women can hurt men quite directly, for example advocating for lesser standards of evidence for accusations of rape), but in principle that's fine. That's not all that feminism is or does, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/17 08:06 PM |
| 3 | What does feminism mean to you and why do you support/oppose it?Radical feminism is an actual brand of feminism, though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/17 07:20 PM |
| 6 | What does feminism mean to you and why do you support/oppose it?New age rad feminist : I am entitled to the unlimited and want anyone that is opposed to my unlimited desires to be either put into a reeducation camp or to be imprisoned and sentenced to death. I am a pretty fervent critic of feminism and this is not an accurate description of radical feminism. (I can't comment on your description of "new age median feminism" because I've never heard that term.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/17 06:43 PM |
| 29 | What does feminism mean to you and why do you support/oppose it?I think there are two main ways that someone could define feminism: A movement for gender equality that assumes that gender inequality is primarily a problem of the treatment and condition of women. An advocacy movement for women. I'm not a feminist because I've talked to feminists and read feminist material/literature and it's very clear to me that on the whole they see the world very differently from how I see it. I don't think that women are marginalized, oppressed, etc., or that we live in a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/17 06:40 PM |
| 4 | Why is there need for any more feminism in the western world?Well and I've mentioned an academic feminist article who's main argument is that women can never escape their gender role as children if they aren't held responsible for their actions. First, isn't it a bit of an issue if someone's main argument against discriminating against men is that it harms women as a side-effect? If someone said "of course we care about sentencing discrimination against blacks; my main argument against it is that it initializes white people" then that would be absurd. Sec… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/05/17 06:34 PM |
| 4 | What is the difference between feminism and rad-feminism? Can the two be reasonably represented on PPD?Radical feminists have many different beliefs from other types of feminists, but I thought it was odd that OP compared radical feminism and feminism, since the former is part of the latter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/17 11:39 PM |
| 7 | What is the difference between feminism and rad-feminism? Can the two be reasonably represented on PPD?So, the question is, given feminism's importance to TRP and BP concepts, what exactly is the difference between feminism and rad-feminism? https://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2017/04/22/radical-feminism-is-not-fringe-feminism/ A common misconception among people (even feminists themselves) who are less familiar with the terminology of feminist theory is that radical feminism is a generic term for extremist or fringe feminism. In reality, it is an actual kind of feminism with actual beliefs. It … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/17 08:56 PM |
| 1 | Can we discuss the gender inequality of suicide?Oh, I misunderstood. Some do seem to double as both, yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/17 03:56 PM |
| 3 | Can we discuss the gender inequality of suicide?Homeless shelters or abuse shelters? I don't have a statistical breakdown for either, but sheltersafe.ca has ~400 abuse shelters throughout the country. I took a look at a dozen or so and all of them either had "women" (or "femmes") in the name, or specifically mentioned "women and children" on their website. So a lot of abuse shelters are gendered, and always or almost always for women. Homeless shelters I think are less gendered, but I've seen many that were "[shelter name] for men" or "[shelt… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/17 03:35 PM |
| 1 | Can we discuss the gender inequality of suicide?It's not that simple. That still leaves a big question of why. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/17 03:21 PM |
| 6 | Can we discuss the gender inequality of suicide?I think you're talking about homeless shelters while /u/Jex117 is talking about domestic violence shelters. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/17 02:28 AM |
| 2 | Can we discuss the gender inequality of suicide?I mean seriously, people actually think that's the reason lol? The reason? I listed it as one of three reasons. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/17 12:12 AM |
| 16 | Can we discuss the gender inequality of suicide?Some statistics say that more women are depressed than men, but that men choose more certain methods of suicide which is why there are more men who die by suicide. I wrote a bunch about the topic here: Spotlight on: Men’s Suicide Rates TL;DR: Men use more lethal methods, but we can't just stop there. There are reasons for why that is. In addition to men being less concerned about the appearance of their dead body, and men being more impulsive in suicide (including because they're more likely to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/17 09:05 PM |
| 2 | [Discussion] Men, women, and 'word vomit.'It seems there is an ingrained cultural bias against the speech of women, because they are believed to be 'chatty', 'emotional' and 'illogical'. So if a woman talks for too long or does not pay extra attention to being swift and concise, she will be very harshly dismissed. Your client indicated a belief that men and women write differently (which might or might not be accurate), but I don't see evidence for your second sentence. Do we have any reason to believe that women are held to a harsher s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/17 08:49 PM |
| 18 | I don't think feminists realize how bigoted and sexist their ideology is when they attribute success to overcoming men and not overcoming personal problems.I think it's important to note that this probably varies considerably by field. Here's a tech interviewing platform that introduced voice modulation to avoid gender bias and found that there wasn't any in the first place: After running the experiment, we ended up with some rather surprising results. Contrary to what we expected (and probably contrary to what you expected as well!), masking gender had no effect on interview performance with respect to any of the scoring criteria (would advance to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/17 05:20 PM |
| 7 | Slut shaming is a problem caused exclusively by women not by societyOnly idiots say edgy shit about it being decided by society. That's because society is older and has more experience than you do. It sounds like you're saying that it's decided by society, but that society does a pretty good job at deciding it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/17 05:12 PM |
| 4 | Slut shaming is a problem caused exclusively by women not by societyMen know being a virgin is bad. If I call a man a virgin he's going to get offended because he himself acknowledges that being a virgin is bad, if he didn't think being a virgin was bad he wouldn't feel bad It's not a reason to be an asshole to them for it, but most men don't want to be virgins, so this part is mostly true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/17 03:28 PM |
| 10 | Slut shaming is a problem caused exclusively by women not by societyLet me ask you think. If tomorrow people started shaming you for being an incredibly good looking intelligent person, would you feel any shame? There are situations where people get shamed for being attractive or intelligent and yes, it does seem to have an effect. In some contexts being smart is looked down on as uncool (look at the stigma associated with nerds), and in some contexts being attractive is looked down on as shallow, particularly if it involved effort (going to the gym or using mak… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/17 03:19 PM |
| 7 | Slut shaming is a problem caused exclusively by women not by societyMost men love sluts, because easy pussy. Except that they often feel jealous if the women are being sluts with other people and not them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/17 03:14 PM |
| 11 | Q4Men: From What You've Read on this Sub, What Has Surprised You About Women?RP men also think they're super unique: "I'm an attractive man who actually prefers my LTR with a woman my age but trust me all other men would prefer to sleep around and my gf is the only attractive woman of her age" That doesn't sound like an RP man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/17 04:38 PM |
| 6 | Q4BP: what are your thoughts on female privilege?I think it has more to do with race than gender. A white woman's interactions with police may be more pleasant than a white man's, but a black woman's almost certainly wouldn't. This just means that both race and gender have an effect. Being black and being male both result in worse treatment by police; white women have it best, black men the worst, and both white men and black women are somewhere in between. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/17 04:35 PM |
| 3 | Left wing nutjobs spray paint "kill frat boys" on Fraternity houses because of "rape culture"Their claims are not baseless... they are completely true... just not in the way they think they are. We DO live in a rape culture. Men are raped all the time (physically, mentally, financially) and women are the one's doing it, and the laws do NOTHING ABOUT IT. I don't think you should use rape metaphorically like that ("mental rape", "financial rape"). It sounds like what people here would (understandably) make fun of feminists for doing. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/17 03:44 PM |
| 5 | Left wing nutjobs spray paint "kill frat boys" on Fraternity houses because of "rape culture"Sounds like some of these people need to be shown just what a rape culture actually looks like. How does making their (currently baseless) claims true help anyone? | /r/MensRights | 02/05/17 03:06 PM |
| 3 | Do you want your daughter(s) to be in a relationship with a Red Pill man?I was challenging your first five words. It's very unlikely that all men naturally have one particular personality trait or set of personality traits. Gender differences simply don't work like that, most of the time (certainly for psychological gender differences). Even height, where there's a pretty big difference between men and women, has overlap: http://genderedinnovations.stanford.edu/images/methods_analyzing_sex.JPG | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/17 10:21 PM |
| 5 | Do you want your daughter(s) to be in a relationship with a Red Pill man?Here's how I'll test him if you're curious: If/when he asks me for permission to marry her, I'll say no. If he doesn't ask, or if he ignores my disapproval and marries her anyway, I'll know that she's got an uncompromising man who won't let anything stand between him and his girl. Huh, that's like a shit test. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/17 08:54 PM |
| 8 | Do you want your daughter(s) to be in a relationship with a Red Pill man?All men are naturally masculine, the problem is their upbringing causing them to not embrace themselves, causes them to suppress themselves. It is very unlikely that men and women would have complete separation in personality traits like that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/05/17 08:52 PM |
| 1 | Weekly Offtopic-Sunday Megathread (30 April 2017)I had already done a few days of walking, haven't started weight training, but had to pause for several days because I was sick. I'm wondering if there is some kind of a starter weight training thing I can look at (and whatever it is because of my Crohn's I'll have to go slower). The "Basic Barbell Routine" on this page would be pretty good as a starter program. The book Starting Strength is good for learning form. Are there any particular restrictions you have? I'm not sure what Crohn's would a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/17 11:47 PM |
| 22 | How feminists describe the "pay gap."So, when feminists refer to the pay gap, we are not referring to studies controlling for job type, company pay, promotions, and other variables, we are referring to the average of all men and women. The problem is that you're referring to the average of all men and all women, but very often it is wrongly stated as "for the same work". Barack Obama's campaign said it this way: In his 2012 re-election run, an ad for President Barack Obama claimed "Women (are) paid 77 cents on the dollar for doing … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/04/17 08:02 PM |
| 7 | CMV: Consent workshops are warranted.The problem is these courses will inevitably become dominated by the crowd that believes only men can rape because privilege + power I've never heard this before. Do you have an example of this being said in a consent workshop? The idea that "only men can be sexist because sexism is prejudice + power" is common among feminists, but "rape is privilege + power" isn't something I've ever heard, and it doesn't sound like something they'd say (I think they see privilege and power as lining up pretty … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/17 01:50 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Someone who is giving and not needy is the best partner for anyoneIf they say they want a needy partner, doesn't it mean that they themselves want to be giving? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/17 07:33 PM |
| – | CMV: attributing "alpha" or "beta" to men is cringeworthy and it shows a lack of critical thinking skillsOP: We require more effort than that. Give us a few sentences for why you think what you do, so people can reply to your ideas and reasoning. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/17 07:09 PM |
| 3 | CMV: 99% of young males who claim to be traumatized by sex with an adult woman are lying in order to obtain money in a lawsuit.CMV: 99% of young males who claim to be traumatized by sex with an adult woman are lying in order to obtain money in a lawsuit. That doesn't make sense to me. What percentage of boys who say they are traumatized by statutory rape end up filing a lawsuit against the woman? It's extremely likely that it's much lower than 99%. So they're making it up to get money but then they don't even try to get money? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/17 12:44 PM |
| 5 | Q4BP: Why do we see the double standards in terms of rape accusations?I think it would be very difficult. To win a discrimination case like this you'd need to pull sentencing of every similar case of that court, find some serious disparate impact, or find something more direct to prove intent. I do think it is possible, but probably difficult. But hey maybe on appeal you could get a new sentencing hearing, so that might be great for those defendants. I don't mean an appeal for any one particular case. I mean whether you think it's possible to implement some sort o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/17 12:35 PM |
| 6 | Q4BP: Why do we see the double standards in terms of rape accusations?As a lawyer, do you believe that significantly reducing gender and racial bias in sentencing is not possible? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/17 01:43 AM |
| 1 | Why are White Nationalists more concerned about White women dating other races and not about White men doing the same at much higher rates?I've removed this because we currently have a policy of avoiding race-related questions, and because I don't think we're really the place for questions directed at white nationalists. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/17 12:45 AM |
| 7 | Discussion: Is there a discrepancy between how we raise boys vs. how we raise girls? What sort of discrepancy? And why does it exist?It's not clear to me why portraying women in an unrealistically positive and virtuous way is male-centric. Would portraying men more positively and virtuously than women be female-centric? That's to some extent what TRP does, isn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/17 10:12 PM |
| 10 | Discussion: Is there a discrepancy between how we raise boys vs. how we raise girls? What sort of discrepancy? And why does it exist?the message to women is: men want hot babes. but what women want-- what the hot babe in the movie would want in real life-- isn't part of the plot, it's not covered. Or we could say that it is covered (the women want guys who are good, moral, heroic, self-sacrificing) but it's covered incorrectly, because the hot babe in real life would realistically want a hot guy, probably with a good career. Rather than "female desire doesn't matter", it's could be the common "female desire is moral and pure … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/17 10:06 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Much of what RP thinks are gender differences are actually differences in power.it makes no sense to identify you by your chromosomes because no one will see them nor your sex organs; all they see and perceive are feminine traits therefore it's a feminine gender. Two questions in response to this. First, imagine that I'm biologically male but my personality and style are more feminine than masculine. Does that make me a woman? (Set aside "it depends what you identify as" because if a label is just based on what you identify as rather than actual criteria then I don't think … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/17 07:32 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Much of what RP thinks are gender differences are actually differences in power.Imagine you are some medieval fisherman. Source for that: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-made-for-man-not-man-for-the-categories/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/17 07:28 PM |
| 9 | Q4Women: Can you describe the "tingles" and "getting wet?" What are these attraction-responses exactly? What is it like to "get the tingles?" Where do you tingle? How do you tingle? And what exactly is it like to "get wet?" Please explain.This post is becoming disgusting. What an odd question to ask a woman. It seems pretty in line with the thread title: Q4Women: Can you describe the "tingles" and "getting wet?" What are these attraction-responses exactly? What is it like to "get the tingles?" Where do you tingle? How do you tingle? And what exactly is it like to "get wet?" Please explain. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/17 06:36 PM |
| 22 | So do you guys and gals support men's rights?tbh I'd have a lot more sympathy for MRAs if I felt they actually cared about these issues. 99% of the time I honestly think if it were easier for them to get casual sex with hot women they'd stop giving a shit about some unknown baby's foreskin. They often use these "issues" as a platform to bitch about women in general because they're pissed they can't score perfect 10s despite meeting the bare minimum of human decency themselves. They only talk about circumcision because they can't score mode… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/17 03:02 AM |
| 3 | MGTOWWhy would any woman stay married to man who doesn't offer benefits? How are men any different? Except for the fact that divorce tends to favour women in e.g. custody and so divorce is scarier for men, which is a completely valid point, but it has nothing to do with "female nature" or "AWALT". It's what family court is like, not what women are like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/17 12:25 AM |
| 3 | MGTOWNope. That's one of the main red pills. /u/LSTW1234 said that not all women will. It's demonstrably true that plenty of marriages don't end in divorce, especially if you're higher educated, not previously married, etc. If you look at your chances of divorce and decide that it's too high for you then I get that. Divorce is scary, particularly for men (particularly when it comes to custody). But let's be clear that the chance of divorce is far, far, far from 100%. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/17 12:19 AM |
| 7 | MGTOWIt's a bit silly to take a national average as any meaningful estimate of how your marriage would happen. I half disagree. I agree in the sense that you should narrow it down and look at other factors, like age, education, number of previous marriages, etc. to get a statistic that's more applicable to your actual chance of divorce. I disagree in the sense that I think it's still useful to look at statistics. If you try to think too much of your own personal situation, especially if you have an e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/17 12:09 AM |
| 2 | What makes a husband a 'lazy husband'?Are men being lazier than women? Do we have any evidence of that? (If women tolerate laziness in a partner less than men, as /u/cloppydogroll suggests, then that's fine, but we should be clear that that's what's happening.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/17 11:45 PM |
| 5 | What makes a husband a 'lazy husband'?The question I'd ask: do we actually have evidence of the "lazy husband" as an actual phenomenon, i.e. distinct phenomenon from lazy wives (surpassing them in number or in laziness or something)? The original post was "CMV: Women initiate divorce because they're stressed from juggling a career and household duties". But according to Pew Research, moms and dads work essentially the same number of hours, with moms doing more childcare and housework and dads doing more career work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/17 08:28 PM |
| 10 | Do men and women hate themselves differently?Women's self hatred is at once apparent and irrelevant. Wat | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/17 04:20 PM |
| 2 | Does any one feel depressed after reading ppd lately?Suggesting that people you disagree with be rounded up at gunpoint, sent to camps, and gassed is unacceptable. You've been banned. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/wiki/rules#wiki_core_rules Certain violations may be counted as multiple strikes. These are described below: Advocating violence in the real world (3 Strikes) ("Well I didn't reallly mean it" isn't a defense; you shouldn't be saying this stuff here.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/17 01:47 PM |
| 3 | I believe that the only way to give men the same privileges women is to provide sexual and reproductive autonomyWould you describe people in the Eastern Bloc as "liberated"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/17 02:29 AM |
| 1 | Who do you consider to be a 5/10 make and female?If someone genuinely finds Angelina Jolie less attractive than I do, how is that not valid? They're not reporting non an external fact that the might be right or wrong on, they're reporting on their own internal appraisal of her attractiveness. Maybe their appraisal doesn't line up with anyone else's and we don't care about it, but it's still their appraisal. If I tell you "I listened to that band, and I didn't think their music sounded very good", can you respond with "well I liked it, your vie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/17 10:03 PM |
| 2 | Who do you consider to be a 5/10 make and female?While I'm a fan of trying to be objective, I'm not sure what that means here. I look at that picture of Emma Watson and it doesn't strike me as anything special. She's certainly not ugly or anything but also not head-turning. How do I know whether I'm being objective? I'm just giving my own appraisal. I could guess what other people think, but I'd honestly have no idea that /u/EliteSpartanRanger finds that picture to be more attractive than I do without him saying so. You could put Angelina Joli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/17 09:09 PM |
| 1 | Who do you consider to be a 5/10 make and female?The average means the average. It doesn't have anything to do with preferences and standards. People can have different opinions on how good something was, and that affects whether they see it as average. You might see a movie and think "that was great, totally above average" while I might see it and think "it was ok, it was average". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/17 08:44 PM |
| 1 | Who do you consider to be a 5/10 make and female?I already agreed that the average woman weighs more. Being thin alone is hardly enough to make someone "at least an 8 or 9". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/17 07:47 PM |
| 4 | Who do you consider to be a 5/10 make and female?I don't see how that picture is "at least 8 or 9", which would mean close to the pinnacle of human attractiveness. I don't think she's that attractive, and I think you should consider that this is an issue of preferences rather than standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/17 07:35 PM |
| 4 | Who do you consider to be a 5/10 make and female?Emma Watson is a 5/10 to you? I thought I was joking when I made my comment under the automod, but it seems like there are people who really think that. Is she supposed to be super attractive or something? I'm not too familiar with her but she's pretty plain in the picture above. Your point about weight is fair, the average woman probably weighs more, but her face looks generally average to me. She has good teeth I guess? Maybe it's an issue of different preferences instead of high standards? He… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/17 07:20 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Cat-calling is not sexual harassment/u/prodigy2throw did originally refer to a "very hot woman", suggesting someone who's not a regular woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/04/17 02:20 AM |
| 4 | CMV: Cat-calling is not sexual harassmentAre you a 9/10? I agree with /u/sublimemongrel that this doesn't apply to most women (at least not on a regular basis), but women who are 9/10? Men go crazy over them, practically treating them like celebrities. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/17 10:16 PM |
| 7 | CMV: Cat-calling is not sexual harassmentSomeone posted this recently, an episode of Freakonomics where they look at attempts to raise money for charity. Attractive women (but not attractive men) get a very large boost in the money they raise. Obviously most people aren't involved in raising money for charity, but I think this illustrates that attractive women are viewed much more positively, at least by men. I'd be very surprised if this didn't have an effect on how they're treated in their daily life. LIST: No. So women don’t give mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/17 08:18 PM |
| 1 | Q4Men: What makes you lose respect for a woman?Is it possible that he genuinely believes that we live in a "patriarchy" where male privilege and sexism against women are rampant? It seems crazy to me but people genuinely believe far crazier things (e.g. religions). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/17 04:42 PM |
| 1 | Radical Feminism Is Not Fringe FeminismLike in the recent Huffington demand that White males not be allowed to vote. That ended up being a fake, although I don't doubt that there are people out there who genuinely support that. http://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/2017/04/19/revealed-here-is-shelley-garland-and-why-he-did-it_a_22046533/ | /r/MensRights | 22/04/17 09:38 PM |
| 3 | Q4Men: What makes you lose respect for a woman?Women want a guy with a good career because he could provide better for a family, not because his career turns her on. That raises the question of whether a man having an impressive career will give him more success with finding casual sex. Will a man do better on Tinder (let's say he's in a new city for a few days and there's no chance he'll be around for a relationship) if women know he's a doctor or executive? I think so. Would you disagree? And it's not just because of money (although that p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/17 09:14 PM |
| 8 | Q4Men: What makes you lose respect for a woman?I think there's an important distinction between having someone's career achievements impress you and inspire respect, and having their career achievements turn you on and draw you in on a sexual/romantic level. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/17 02:47 PM |
| 18 | Q4Men: What makes you lose respect for a woman?being dishonest. Lying is like a second nature to them. Studies and surveys have been done. [...] And I know both sexes lie, but it has been proven that women lie more. Really just google it Can you cite those studies? Because that's not what I've found. The study "Gender Differences in Honesty: Groups Versus Individuals" (Economics Letters, 2015) summarizes the past research and says: "the findings suggest that males are to some extent more likely to lie, however, gender differences under indiv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/17 01:31 PM |
| 3 | Son of Single MothersTRP says single mother households create spineless betas. But single mother households are more likely to produce criminals and troublemakers. I don't know of evidence for the "spineless beta" hypothesis, but research certainly does support the idea that single parenthood results in boys who are more likely to be troubled and act out: Because of their tendency to act out, boys may be in particular need of parental guidance — but because poor families also tend to be single-parent families, mom o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/04/17 12:59 AM |
| 9 | Define Masculinity in one sentence or lessBut... there are women with bulky muscles who go cliff diving. And they will generally be perceived as masculine for it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/17 09:37 PM |
| 5 | Define Masculinity in one sentence or lessI'd go with something like: "traits that are associated with men, whether for arbitrary reasons (like the colour blue) or more concrete, biologically-based reasons (like certain body proportions)". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/17 09:28 PM |
| 3 | QFBluepill: Do you guys even agree with RP that women have easier access to casual sex? That the SMP is favored towards woman?I've definitely heard people insist on it too, often by denying the gender aspect and saying "no, attractive people find sex easily". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/17 06:54 PM |
| 5 | Is "you should have chosen better" common advice from BPers?You are mistaken, AWALT, according to TRP applies to 100.00% of users. Anyone claiming otherwise is still blue pill. Mistaken in what? I made no claim about how TRP sees AWALT. I said that whether 10% of women or 90% of women are like "that" is a big difference and those aren't the same thing. On how TRP sees it, I will note that a lot of TRPers insist that it's not literal, it's just a heuristic, and that people who see it literally are just looking for a reason to be outraged by TRP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/04/17 11:51 PM |
| 5 | Is "you should have chosen better" common advice from BPers?It's the same thing. Whether "that" (whatever "that" is) applies to 10% or 90% of women is a big difference. It's not the same thing at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/04/17 09:56 PM |
| 3 | Is "you should have chosen better" common advice from BPers?This is the fundamental rejection to all red pill examples. The entire blue pill manifesto is "well, they're not ALL like that." "They're not ALL like that" sounds like it's granting the TRP assumption that most are like that, but I don't think that BPers generally grant that assumption (at least for most of the "women are so awful" traits). (Edited phrasing of my post, but it still says the same thing.) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/04/17 09:46 PM |
| 4 | [CMV] I don't think that evidence will deter Redpill thinking because there are no shortage of people that will reinforce it.Oh only Trump himself This is what he said in his announcement speech (June 16th, 2015, the same day as the quote you provided). I think that if you read the context, it's quite clear that he's talking about about illegal immigrants. The key is where he says "we don't know", "we have no protection and no competence", "we don't know what's happening". I don't see how that could apply to a system of legal immigration; if someone goes through the legal process to enter the United States then the Am… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/04/17 03:56 PM |
| 1 | Q4RPMen: How do you guys know the lives and experiences of women so well?Very possibly, I've posted that passage on here at least a few times before. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/04/17 03:31 PM |
| 2 | Q4Women: In what ways does female sexuality fundamentally differ from male sexuality?"I'm a guy but I've never felt comfortable with the traditional male gender role" is clear and understandable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/17 09:06 PM |
| 6 | Q4RPMen: How do you guys know the lives and experiences of women so well?IIRC, I saw a study on that and the conclusion was that it was more to do with child custody than favorable property division outcomes. Yep. This might or might not be the research you saw, but the book Legalizing Misandry cites economists Margaret Brinig and Douglas Allen, who conducted a large study of divorce that analyzed all 46,000 cases in the year 1995 in four states, on this topic: The solution to the mystery, the factor that determined most cases, turned out to be the question of child … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/04/17 08:44 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: In what ways does female sexuality fundamentally differ from male sexuality?It's complicated, but slightly transgender is the best way to describe it. Unless you actually feel gender dysphoria with regard to your body then it seems strange to use the term "transgender" (even with "slightly" attached to it) to describe you. A man can be much more feminine than masculine and it doesn't mean he's actually a woman (or he can lean kind of feminine like you and it doesn't mean he's kind of a woman). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/17 11:32 PM |
| 1 | Feminism and men's issuesI'll take a look at those, thanks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/17 09:11 PM |
| 3 | Feminism and men's issuesbell hooks What makes you put her here? From reading her work (mainly Feminism is for everybody: passionate politics but also a few other things) it's very clear that she sees the world differently from me (not entirely unexpected given that she grew up in the American South in the 50s and 60s), but I didn't have the impression that she was hateful or spiteful or wanted to harm men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/17 08:50 PM |
| 2 | Feminism and men's issuesAh, my mistake. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/17 07:52 PM |
| 3 | Feminism and men's issuesThat guy who called me a shrew couldn't come up with a counterpoint either. This makes it sound like someone actually called you that, but I only saw someone call you dishonest. "Shrew" and "lying feminist shrew" were your terms. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/17 07:34 PM |
| 7 | Feminism and men's issuesand gets mass support from feminists? You called Paul Elam "arguably most famous MRA and leader of the movement" and suggested that he gets mass support from MRAs. From what I've seen personally, MRAs have extremely mixed feelings towards him. People who are more universally seen positively among the MRM would be Warren Farrell (who I'd call the most well-known), Christina Hoff Sommers (I don't think she identifies as one but she's influential), and Karen Straughen. I don't think "leader" really… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/17 07:25 PM |
| 3 | [Q4RP] Can having a medical condition prevent you from doing a lot of the PUA/RP advice?Rp advice is advice that's not clouded by ideals and should bes. Wouldn't most people consider their own advice to be RP advice under this definition? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/17 04:30 PM |
| 3 | Discussion - Do men have any advantages in the dating world?If someone puts a lot of effort into their resume but doesn't actually apply to any jobs and instead hopes for an employer to contact them (perhaps after putting their resume on display somewhere), would you say that they're active rather than passive? I don't think I would. I see where you're coming from in that they're doing something though; perhaps I'd distinguish putting in effort from taking an active role. You can put effort into a passive role. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/17 04:00 PM |
| 12 | Discussion - Do men have any advantages in the dating world?I'm eternally stunned y'all imagine all women just sit back and passively wait to sort through the guys who contact her. Nope, women are looking through the men just as actively. It's extremely clear to me that men are more likely to take the active role of making things happen, whether that's approaching, asking for a number, sending a message on a dating site, etc. I'd be very surprised if you really think women are just as active. Is that really what you meant? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/17 04:22 AM |
| 10 | Discussion - Do men have any advantages in the dating world?Less expectations of them within relationships. Could you expand on what you mean here? My perception is that women have more expectations, like being romanced, getting "emotional support", etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/17 02:46 AM |
| 4 | Discussion - Do men have any advantages in the dating world?6 foot tall 180 pound guy and 5 foot 2 120 pound girl.. hmmn which one will probably be stronger and kill the other The man will probably kill the woman? Is that the answer you're looking for? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/17 02:18 AM |
| 7 | Discussion - Do men have any advantages in the dating world?It's just a way for male rapists to make themselves feel better "oh women do it too.. once in a while.. " The idea that men can be raped is just a way for male rapists to make themselves feel better? That's the strangest thing I've heard in a long time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/17 02:15 AM |
| 6 | Do men really get their hearts broken deeper than women?But you're...mostly convinced? Are you? That men feel heartbreak in a 'deeper' way than women? I think that women tend to have more of an an abundance mentality (owing to the dynamic of men usually being pursuers and women usually being pursued) and are more likely to have a solid support network, and I think these factors on their own would result in heartbreak feeling deeper for men. However, I think there are probably also other factors at play that could have the opposite effect and make the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/17 10:54 PM |
| 4 | Do men really get their hearts broken deeper than women?Wouldn't this just vary from person to person? Some people feel it more deeply than others. Some people get attached easily. Some people bounce back quicker. I don't see why this is gender-specific. I'm not entirely convinced that it's true, but I don't think what you say here precludes it from being true. Yes, it does vary from person to person, but that doesn't mean that it isn't on average worse for one gender than the other. Height varies from person to person, but it's still the case that D… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/17 10:23 PM |
| 8 | CMV: Listening to women about their preferences or dating advice and trying to figure out how they experience anything is useless.They don't do this. You're just connecting two random dots (women on PPD saying they don't like roidobodies and then other women you've seen playing with a guy's arms). I've seen these two things come from the same woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/17 07:13 PM |
| 2 | Q4Women: Women of PPD, how many of you would be down for an ONS if someone attractive and competent approached you?I don't care who you compare yourself to in your goals or self-esteem, but if you're referring to someone as average or not, you use the actual population that they're in, not some arbitrary picked other population. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/17 06:25 PM |
| 1 | Q4Women: Women of PPD, how many of you would be down for an ONS if someone attractive and competent approached you?He's above average only when compared to the typical American male lol. That's, uh, how we figure out what average is, isn't it? Or is your point "he's below average among above average people"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/17 05:56 PM |
| 4 | Q4men: did dating get easier as you got older?It's not "age alone" that people generally talk about, is it? It's things like maturity, confidence, career, fitness (for people who start taking their body seriously in their 20s), etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/17 02:57 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do you think you could argue the other side's position effectively? (Possible fun Devil's Advocate exercise)What century are you living in where it's considered okay by society for men to use violence to maintain his authority? I'm not sure if you're asking a question to the feminist character that I put on in response to the thread question "Q4All: Do you think you could argue the other side's position effectively?", or you're not realizing what the thread question was. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/17 02:27 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do you think you could argue the other side's position effectively? (Possible fun Devil's Advocate exercise)Guilty as charged. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/17 02:07 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: Do you think you could argue the other side's position effectively? (Possible fun Devil's Advocate exercise)Everyone knows the courts are against men, even if the woman is a billionaire and the man a pauper she won't pay a single cent of alimony. It's no fun when you fall into caricature. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/17 08:06 PM |
| 7 | Q4All: Do you think you could argue the other side's position effectively? (Possible fun Devil's Advocate exercise)I don't know about feminism at large, but if you see the term "patriarchy" in this sub, 9/10 it's from a terp. That's interesting, because it's very much a common word among feminists (particularly those outside of liberal feminism). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/17 07:56 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: Do you think you could argue the other side's position effectively? (Possible fun Devil's Advocate exercise)Most men have to pay alimony and women don't. Because men are paid more and are expected to be providers. If we fix those issues, as feminists hope to do, then the issue of alimony disappears. Family courts are against men They expect women to do the child-rearing, which harms a man who wants to see his children, so let's fix the problem of gender roles. and judges throw out prenups because the justice system is on team woman. Team women? Why is the justice system so bad at handling sexual assau… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/17 07:53 PM |
| 8 | Q4All: Do you think you could argue the other side's position effectively? (Possible fun Devil's Advocate exercise)I'm not a feminist, but I don't think they would say "by being a man and having a penis". The mentioning of "penis" reminds me of some kinds of sarcastic replies to feminism ("yeah, life is easy for me just because I have a penis"). Technically speaking, 99.99% of people you encounter don't know what genitals you have so a feminist would probably just say "man", or if they were going to be more verbose they'd say "male-presenting" or "male-identifying" or something (to emphasize that they see th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/17 07:52 PM |
| 8 | Q4All: Do you think you could argue the other side's position effectively? (Possible fun Devil's Advocate exercise)Here's one for feminism: MRAs are correct to point out that men are harmed by our current system, but their analysis doesn't go deep enough to really understand the nature of that harm within our patriarchal system and the ways that it differs from the harm imposed on women. Both men and women are restricted by gender roles, but the fundamental difference is that men's gender roles involve power, authority, and agency while women's involve powerlessness and subordination. That's why it's feminis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/04/17 07:36 PM |
| 1 | What is one thing you think needs to be done to "fix" society?Change our tax system from withholding to the government sending us a bill every month/year. Then, just maybe, people will notice the huge hit that it takes from their income, and actually wonder to themselves what it is paying for. Refusing to pay taxes is one of the only forms of truly peaceful resistance. Lots of people would plan really poorly and not have enough money to pay the bill. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/04/17 09:04 PM |
| 10 | Q4ALL: What do you guys think about the fact that paternity testing is illegal in France and Germany?Well ive heard it explained that paternity testing isnt outlawed, but that it has to be court ordered if you want it to count in court. That seems to be different than what you posted, so im going to assume what you wrote above is true. I don't know about Germany (do any of our resident Germans have any insight? /u/exit_sandman). But as far as I can tell for France, the restrictions apply to paternity testing in general, not just to court-admissible paternity testing. (Disclaimer: I'm not a lawy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/17 10:49 PM |
| 6 | Is this guy's standards too high? and should he lower his standards?I don't think these represent standards as much as preferences. To me, standards refer to a person's moral character, education, upbringing, income, etc. To me, standards are what you'd require and preferences are what you'd like but not require. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/17 09:39 PM |
| 5 | What happens to all the entitled 9's/10's?9/10s can probably get away fine by being entitled. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/17 09:19 PM |
| 8 | Is this guy's standards too high? and should he lower his standards?Exactly. Who knows, maybe he finds all of those things important and would rather go without a partner than have one who doesn't meet all of those. If that's the case, he shouldn't settle. I can't even say what I would do if I was in his shoes because I don't care about most of those things (and I don't even know what some of them are). I would say that those things are incredibly specific and there probably aren't many women (except in Japan I guess) who meet that, so there's a pretty good chan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/17 09:17 PM |
| 3 | Q4ALL: How do you predict gender dynamics will evolve over the course of the 21st century? What do you think will happen in future generations?It's not really clear from your post what the "inherent contradictions" of capitalism are. Could you explain a bit more? What evidence do we have that recessions are caused by smaller companies being eaten up by larger companies? Assuming that smaller companies being eaten up by larger companies is happening and is bad, is the answer to let the largest company, the state, eat up all companies, large and small? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/17 07:40 PM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: Hypergamy: Is it true that “Men want more, women want better?”Men want sex with the hottest/best women they can score and as many of them as possible. Women want sex with the hottest/best men they can score and as many of them as possible. They could each want both things but prioritize the two differently. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/17 11:59 PM |
| 2 | Research Articles: When Gender Differences in Sexual Selectivity DisappearWhat does strength have to do with competition, though? I don't think I or anyone else mentioned competition. The other people were talking about sex drive and promiscuity and men having ~15 times more testosterone in their system. Someone mentioned women being more sensitive to testosterone. I replied by mentioning strength, something else we know testosterone to affect, because there isn't a linear relationship between test and strength (15 times more test does not equal 15 times more strength… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/04/17 03:43 PM |
| 3 | Research Articles: When Gender Differences in Sexual Selectivity DisappearThat looks at exercise-induced increases in those hormones, doesn't it? That's much shorter lived (and less likely to have an effect) than generally having higher testosterone levels in your day-to-day life for extended periods of time. However, new research from scientists at McMaster University reveals that exercise-induced testosterone and growth hormone does not play a role in building muscle after lifting weight, and those who are looking to alter these hormones through various exercise rou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/17 11:27 PM |
| 2 | Q4ALL: What are things you will open up to your partner about? And what are things you will never open up about?Women are expected to cry easily or show emotion, but its not always easy for some of us. Expected in the sense of not being surprised when it happens, but I don't know how many people are thinking "damn, I wish she'd cry more or show more emotion". Maybe they're out there. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/17 09:32 PM |
| 8 | Research Articles: When Gender Differences in Sexual Selectivity DisappearThey're also more sensitive to it. Testosterone also affects strength and while men aren't 12 to 17 times stronger than women, they're still on average substantially stronger. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/17 04:40 PM |
| 3 | [Debate] On the argument for why "men have less worth than women" in terms of relationships and sexual value (or whatever), according to TRP?I suppose you said something similar, but it was strange to see you deny it as pseudoscience and then give an example where it clearly applies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/17 12:51 AM |
| 4 | [Debate] On the argument for why "men have less worth than women" in terms of relationships and sexual value (or whatever), according to TRP?A lot of the biology shit is pseudoscience, the supply and demand thing kinda falls because there's no currency being exchanged. Supply and demand as a concept doesn't rely on currency. Imagine that there are only half as many women interested in casual sex as men; this puts the supply of women for casual sex down and gives each woman left a better position on the market. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/04/17 12:45 AM |
| 8 | Women have zero concept of lonelinessAnd average men are cucks. Women don't really love average men. They settle for them while fantasizing about alphas. What do you know about how women love? How have you determined this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/17 01:57 AM |
| 4 | Women have zero concept of lonelinessLook up empathizing-systemizing theory from Simon Baron-Cohen. Women actually tend more towards empathizing than men (and men tend more towards systemizing, perhaps the reason for gender differences in STEM). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/17 01:49 AM |
| 9 | Women have zero concept of lonelinessPlus women mostly are the ones that end the relationship. This study found that women initiated 53% of breakups for non-cohabiting relationships, and 56% of the breakups for cohabiting (but non-marital) relationships, which is pretty close to parity (I believe the 53% was not statistically significantly different from parity, not sure about the 56%). http://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rosenfeld_gender_of_breakup.pdf (Marriage is a different story; it found that women initiated 69% of those. Some … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/17 01:13 AM |
| 2 | Question for Redpill men: Is this really how you see the goals of feminism/the left?I was just using cheating as an example. I didn't mean that this was cheating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/04/17 01:09 AM |
| 2 | There will be no beta male uprisingWhat's your definition of a racist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/17 09:50 PM |
| 4 | Question for Redpill men: Is this really how you see the goals of feminism/the left?I don't know much about their ban policies, but I think many TRPers wrongly use "sexual strategy is amoral" as an excuse to not be judged on their actions when I don't think it actually does that. It's like "the field of chemistry is amoral"—the facts about what chemicals do what exist whether or not the knowledge is used for immoral purposes, but that doesn't mean we can't judge people's use of the knowledge and their actions. And why is it morally offensive for 3 people to get their rocks off … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/17 09:32 PM |
| 4 | Question for Redpill men: Is this really how you see the goals of feminism/the left?If sexual strategy is amoral, why the moral outrage? Knowledge about how human sexuality works is amoral, because it's just knowledge. That doesn't mean you can't make moral judgements on people's actions. Cheating for example could be considered "good sexual strategy" (if you succeed it could give you sexual pleasure or, if we're talking about reproduction, better genes or the ability to spread your genes further), but it's still immoral because you're breaking an agreement you made. What works… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/17 09:12 PM |
| 6 | CMV: It makes more sense to me that marriage is declining because men aren't adaptingIf next week men's standards rose so that they only wanted to marry 10/10 bombshells, would you say that the number of marriageable women (or "marriable" to use your preferred term) had drastically decreased? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/17 03:23 PM |
| 8 | CMV: It makes more sense to me that marriage is declining because men aren't adaptingThat's due to the shortage of marriable men compared the surplus of marriable women. You believe that women are generally higher quality people, at least for the purposes of marriage? If so, why is that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/04/17 01:18 PM |
| 2 | Can you give some studies/reports/research that prove or disprove some core aspects of TRP?...the top 20% get fewer messages than average guys, though I don't think that's the case. From the OkCupid page "Your Looks and Your Inbox": For instance, the most attractive guys get 11× the messages the lowest-rated do. The medium-rated get about 4×. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/04/17 07:03 PM |
| 1 | Can you give some studies/reports/research that prove or disprove some core aspects of TRP?First any rating above 3 would automatically notify them If they really found them attractive, wouldn't that be a good thing? They're on a dating site after all, it's not like they're in a relationship and don't want to let it be known that they find someone else attractive because they're taken. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/04/17 06:56 PM |
| 1 | Female virgin asks TRP for advice on waiting to have sex in a LTR....their advice is "Just put out because your only worth is your vagina." How does this make sense?Why not applaud a woman who is following the ONLY path that TRP has approved for women? TRP "approves" whatever they think is good for men, what they think men want, or what they themselves want. As a subreddit that focuses so much on getting casual sex, this does include (at least in the short-term) women who have sex easily. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/17 09:44 PM |
| 2 | Female virgin asks TRP for advice on waiting to have sex in a LTR....their advice is "Just put out because your only worth is your vagina." How does this make sense?I don't think it's necessarily intentional or that it's out of spite to screw her over. I think that they, as men, look at the situation from the perspective of the man and they think "well I'd want to have sex soon, I don't like it when I have to wait" and then they say that. They don't want to help "the enemy". It could be described as narcissistic, selfish, or tribalist, but I'm not sure if "emotional" and "illogical" are the words that come to my mind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/17 09:30 PM |
| 2 | Female virgin asks TRP for advice on waiting to have sex in a LTR....their advice is "Just put out because your only worth is your vagina." How does this make sense?inb4 "We don't give women advice!" Well if that's the case then don't respond to female posters or let them post questions. They're giving women advice, but the advice isn't necessarily based on the woman's best interests. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/17 09:09 PM |
| 5 | A new book tells women how to the be the perfect "red pill woman"What are your thoughts on depending on a partner financially yourself? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/17 08:23 PM |
| 2 | CMV - Guys suffering, barely a sniffle. Guys anger? Instantly paid attention toI agree that most people, if they're even aware of the manosphere, are not aware of the different groups of people within it and generally treat them as one thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/17 06:08 PM |
| 2 | CMV - Guys suffering, barely a sniffle. Guys anger? Instantly paid attention toIs that supposed to contrast them with TRPers? I really don't think that most people associate the word "attractive" with TRPers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/17 05:44 PM |
| 2 | CMV - Guys suffering, barely a sniffle. Guys anger? Instantly paid attention toMRA has been around for god knows how long, no one gave a shit. MRAs are viscerally hated by a lot of people. That doesn't mean that people care about their issues, but I don't think most people care about the issues raised by TRP either. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/04/17 05:03 PM |
| 2 | Plenty of Feminists Here Don't Believe They're FeministDo we have any statistics on that as a problem? This research from Pew finds that mothers do indeed do more housework (18 hours a week vs. fathers' 10) and more childcare (14 vs. 7), but fathers do more career work (37 hours vs. 21) and it balances out in the end. That's not what you talked about because it looks at all mothers and fathers instead of just working mothers, but those are the only numbers I know of on the topic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/03/17 04:16 PM |
| 5 | Q4RPMen: do you think women want sex for its own sake?where RP men insist women only dole out sex to men for alpha behavior or [...] What's the difference between this and saying that women find those men attractive and so enjoy having sex with them? This sounds like saying that "men dole out sex to women for being sexually attractive". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/17 01:06 AM |
| 2 | CMV: Girls will only date a guy better than themRight, but they ain't getting the pussy casually, which is what accounts for sexual attraction for real. Most guys are settled for. You said "before they consider dating him". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/03/17 11:15 PM |
| 9 | CMV: Girls will only date a guy better than themand they need a man to be at least 2 points higher in the SMP + plus have a job as a banker or lawyer before they consider dating him. This would predict that the vast majority of men cannot get dates, and yet most men do get dates and have relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/03/17 11:13 PM |
| 17 | Is it possible that women are overstating the amount of power men have over women due to the fact that women tend to surround themselves with men more powerful than them?'What a nasty lady' (I believe he said "nasty woman", not "nasty lady".) I do not see how Donald Trump calling Clinton a "nasty woman" amounts to her being "subject to additional criticism and smear campaigns because of [her] gender". What's the problem there---is it the fact that he referred to her as a woman when he called her nasty, rather than referring to her with the gender-neutral term "nasty person"? It's not like he was saying that she's nasty because she's a woman, or that all women ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/03/17 07:08 PM |
| 28 | Is it possible that women are overstating the amount of power men have over women due to the fact that women tend to surround themselves with men more powerful than them?Or are fewer women interested because they know that they will be kept out? According to Jennifer Lawless, director of the Women & Politics Institute at American University: "Study after study finds that, when women run for office, they perform just as well as their male counterparts." http://www.american.edu/spa/wpi/upload/2012-Men-Rule-Report-web.pdf In that report, she and a colleague actually say that one of the reasons many women shy away from running is the (false) perception that there's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/03/17 03:59 PM |
| 13 | Is it possible that women are overstating the amount of power men have over women due to the fact that women tend to surround themselves with men more powerful than them?that they weren't subject to additional criticism and smear campaigns because of their gender? You might be interested in this book by Jennifer Lawless, director of the Women & Politics Institute at American University, and a colleague. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/05/24/how-much-does-gender-bias-affect-u-s-elections/ In our new book “Women on the Run: Gender, Media, and Political Campaigns in a Polarized Era,” we show that the vast majority of women who run for office… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/03/17 03:56 PM |
| 12 | What is the end goal of TRP?At its core, I think they want a sense of power or agency over their dating life. They want to have their pick of women, not have to settle, and be able to have standards. They want to choose whether they have casual sex or a relationship and not have to commit because they have no other option to get sex. They want a real, justified abundance mentality where they don't have to feel desperate, or intimidated by attractive women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/03/17 12:27 PM |
| 6 | The Body Positivity Movement Is a Microcosm of What Feminism Is AboutThe end goal of body positivity is for 6'3 anavar injecting muscle men to walk down the street hand in hand with 300 lb tattooed women with shaved heads and hairy armpits. Anavar is an oral steroid. You don't need to inject it. Part of its popularity is the fact that many people don't like the thought of needles. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/03/17 03:11 AM |
| 6 | [CMV] Women are not any more or less valuable than men are, and have the same rights. As such, there is no grand conspiracy of men working to undermine women.So yeah, femininity is hated a lot. I'm not sure that's the case. A survey from British polling firm YouGov found that femininity is seen a bit more positively than masculinity. For those aged 18-24, femininity was seen much more positively than masculinity. https://becauseits2015.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/internalresults_160511_masculinity-femininity_w-1.png?w=1000 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/03/17 11:18 PM |
| 5 | why can men have multiple sex partners and still settle down while women that ride CC can't?And then, to the extent that a discussion is about winning or losing, you will have won. What's the problem with that? Certainly it will make your case look much better to onlookers than if you call asking for evidence a "BP tactic". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/17 08:37 PM |
| 2 | why can men have multiple sex partners and still settle down while women that ride CC can't?And then if you provide the study, what happens? They win and you lose? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/17 08:23 PM |
| 22 | “The Future is Female”: The Bleak Outlook for Male Employment and EducationWomen are a noticeable majority in postsecondary education in Canada too. In 2014/2015, there were 563,832 men in university compared to 741,615 women, and 330,906 men in college compared to 409,590 women. http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/educ71b-eng.htm There are still some fields that are predominantly male, but it's not just arts programs that are predominantly female. Health is one example. This page (Chart 1) separates STEM into different fields, finding that men p… | /r/MensRights | 26/03/17 06:29 PM |
| 4 | why can men have multiple sex partners and still settle down while women that ride CC can't?Asking for actual links to the studies from someone who talks about having studies to support his view is entirely reasonable and not just a "BP tactic". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/03/17 03:07 PM |
| 2 | A post for people who are against child support to readA man having a financial abortion takes 5 minutes to sign a paper. A woman deciding whether or not to have an abortion is a complicated thing, just as the linked article talks about. Because the man's opt-out would be easier, we should make sure they don't have any opt-out at all to make things fair? I do think it's important to note that people's reactions towards a woman considering an abortion vary quite a bit, and on the progressive side of the political spectrum there would be a lot of peop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/17 11:48 PM |
| 15 | A post for people who are against child support to readI'm not against child support (I don't know of anyone who is), although I do think that men should be given an option in the event of an unplanned pregnancy (Legal Paternal Surrender). Is that what you mean as against child support? I'm still in favour of child support in the cases where the child is desired by both but then they end up splitting up and one person gets custody. Compare paying a few hundred dollars a month and having a free life to party and hang out with friends to what women fa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/03/17 11:05 PM |
| 3 | [Discussion] Footballer feeds pregnant girlfriend to the dogs, goes back to his career and asks public to forgive his 'one mistake'.That's fine, it's a long read, but I thought it was an important point to make. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/17 10:23 PM |
| 4 | [Discussion] Footballer feeds pregnant girlfriend to the dogs, goes back to his career and asks public to forgive his 'one mistake'.On that page I look at a few different reasons for male disposability and competition between males is one likely factor, but it definitely doesn't seem to be the only factor, because male disposability can be seen from both genders, not just men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/17 10:18 PM |
| 10 | [Discussion] Footballer feeds pregnant girlfriend to the dogs, goes back to his career and asks public to forgive his 'one mistake'.Yep, here are 8 studies showing that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/17 09:10 PM |
| 7 | [Discussion] Footballer feeds pregnant girlfriend to the dogs, goes back to his career and asks public to forgive his 'one mistake'.Just like the woman who threw acid in a mans face got life in prison, while men who engage in acid attacks are hardly ever even prosecuted. Crimes against women are accepted in our society, crimes against men are very harshly judged. This is not true at all. Here's an excerpt from a page I wrote on male disposability. If we look not at single events (I'm not even sure what events you're referring to, it sounds like something that would happen in the Middle East) but instead at studies that analy… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/17 09:04 PM |
| 7 | QuestionForBP: Which parts of The Red Pill do you disagree with?The problem is that "it's just hyperbole" can be used to back-track on any controversial statement and not have to take responsibility for saying it or backing it up, and people are a lot more willing to give people in their own movement a pass with this. To use an example that should resonate with RPers, if you saw a woman say "kindness is the sexiest trait in a man", you challenged her saying "I don't think that's true", what would you think if she responded "that was just hyperbole, what I re… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/17 01:11 PM |
| 27 | QuestionForBP: Which parts of The Red Pill do you disagree with?I think they get more right when they talk about gender differences in attraction and sexual strategy (most notably, women tend to be attracted to masculinity and men to femininity, and that mainstream advice for men paints an unrealistic picture of a desirable man that downplays important factors like looks, social status, and ability to stand up for himself). And I think they get more wrong when they talk about gender differences in general non-sexual personality traits (like "female solipsism… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/17 01:03 PM |
| 5 | TBP Makes Arguments From NothingI agree that there's more to atheism than "God doesn't exist" (there's philosophy, reasoning, counter-arguments to theist arguments, etc.) but they certainly don't present a complex theory of what God is. I miss Hitchens :( I'd love to have heard his half-drunken but eloquent take on the recent election. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/17 02:42 AM |
| 5 | CMV: Alimony and Domestic abuse laws stop men from being abusiveI would surmise that most men who would abuse their wives, would do it regardless of law. Do all laws have a minimal effect, or is it just this one? Would you also say that "most people who would steal, would do it regardless of the law"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/17 02:25 AM |
| 12 | TBP Makes Arguments From Nothingnone of you have a theory or framework or some sort of concerted effort put into figuring out human, male, and female nature. Consider a religious person saying: "atheists, you don't have a theory for understanding God", to which the atheists reply: "our theory is just that God doesn't exist; it's a simple idea, and it negates any need for a complex theory about what God is". This is kind of like what's going on here. RPers have an idea of male and female nature, and BPers argue that there isn't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/17 09:17 PM |
| 3 | [Discussion] Both sides: Define Red Pill beliefs. Define Blue Pill beliefs.It means fundamentally that you look at the data to draw conclusions, whether they fit your narrative/feelings/gut or not. Everyone thinks they're the ones who look at the data or the real world and draw the real conclusions or see the "hard truth". Everyone thinks that it's just other people who are too caught up in their ideology, feelings, etc. to see the "hard truth". In that case, redpill is just "me and whoever agrees with me". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/17 08:32 PM |
| 1 | I'm (22M) Dejected after so many Rejections. I feel lonely, angry and hopeless with no motivation.This would be more suited to a place like https://www.reddit.com/r/ppdPersonalAdvice/ | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/17 03:18 PM |
| 3 | Q4All: Do you really believe we feminists hate men?Again, people do not want men to be killed either, but since women are more targeted due to sexual violence and their physical vulnerability male homicides and female homicides are different and treated differently. How can it be that women are more targeted yet 1/4 as likely to be killed? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/17 03:10 PM |
| 5 | CMV: the media doesn't say that being nice will get men casual sexLet's compare two men: Noticeably above average kindness and moral integrity (but average confidence and looks). Noticeably above average confidence and looks (but average kindness and moral integrity). Which one would "have their pick" of women for a relationship or marriage? You seem to be saying that the first man would do much better, but I disagree. I'm fine with the idea that kindness and moral integrity factor into a guy's desirability for a relationship/marriage. I just don't think they'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/17 12:12 AM |
| 9 | CMV: the media doesn't say that being nice will get men casual sexNow, in romantic comedies, the protagonist is portrayed as doing a particular action to "earn the woman", the woman is usually portrayed as a static object. You can see this in other instances, such as specific men being portrayed to earn women with money, muscles and other specific achievements. On the flip side, women don't have to "earn" anything. They're desirable by default. Does that teach entitlement to women, in your view? Now the narrative that Nice Guys have, is that they earn women by… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 11:59 PM |
| 3 | CMV: the media doesn't say that being nice will get men casual sexFair, I missed the mention of "one nighters" in his comment. However, I think the point (from him and in general) is about sexual attraction, rather than casual sex specifically. In his post, casual sex was just an example to prove the point about sexual attraction (since there all that matters is sexual attraction). The link I posted was quite clearly about sexual attraction, and it had nice traits much higher than looks (and even higher than things like confidence, which was somewhere in the m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 11:54 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP: What Do You Think About the "Fragile Masculinity" Concept/Memes?Oh, I was referring to the fact that shaving or upkeeping facial hair (instead of using some laser treatment) is an issue of effort for your appearance, and you were calling that an example of masculinity as illogical. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 11:12 PM |
| 8 | CMV: the media doesn't say that being nice will get men casual sexWhere is Hollywood telling men that being nice is sexually attractive like this post or this post claims? In this sentence you frame it in terms of being sexually attractive, which is what the person you link to says. A lot of men on PPD are complaining that men were taught that being nice will get them casual sex, especially in romance movies. But here you frame it in terms of casual sex. I almost never hear talk about "nice guys" or niceness not being good enough in the context of casual sex. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 11:10 PM |
| 6 | Q4All: Do you really believe we feminists hate men?It cannot be that much of a problem since women are raped and killed all the time. And men are killed... Approximately four times more than "all the time". It's true that women are raped more, but that really has to do with men finding them (rather than other men) attractive. But the findings I cited are still relevant for rape, because we care a lot more when women are raped. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 10:40 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP: What Do You Think About the "Fragile Masculinity" Concept/Memes?How did I come to the conclusion that many people like facial hair, you mean? I don't think that's controversial. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 10:39 PM |
| 3 | Q4All: Do you really believe we feminists hate men?I didn't say that people were incapable of killing or harming women, but we do tend to find it harder and have more of a moral problem with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 09:41 PM |
| 5 | Q4All: Do you really believe we feminists hate men?It is not victim blaming, because those men obviously did not deserve to be killed. It was enough for you to downplay the importance of them being killed. It is showing the difference in context and the reason why women are more looked after as a targeted group of male violence. First, I don't think you can keep calling women a "targeted group" unless they're more likely to be the victims. You're British, right? According to the Crime Survey for England & Wales (2012-2013), 3.2% of men and 1.9% … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 09:35 PM |
| 9 | Q4All: Do you really believe we feminists hate men?I think I saw them on a comment chain on /r/FeMRADebates that eventually got deleted (probably for violating rule 7, "don't be too clever"). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 09:28 PM |
| 5 | Q4All: Do you really believe we feminists hate men?In response to your first two points, you forgot a really major factor: people are more hesitant to harm women, and they believe that harming women is morally worse than harming men. As a feminist, what is your opinion on this particular gender equality? Summary: In a 2016 study published in Social Psychological and Personality Science, researchers performed three experiments and found that both men and women are more willing to sacrifice the lives of male strangers to save others, more willing … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 09:17 PM |
| 14 | Q4All: Do you really believe we feminists hate men?Isn't that victim-blaming? If you posted a statistic on women being sexually assaulted, I would not ask: what were they wearing? why were they out that late drinking? etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 09:16 PM |
| 13 | Q4All: Do you really believe we feminists hate men?Women are far more vulnerable to male violence, less strong and capable to match the assaulter in a fight, and much more targeted due to sexual attraction. If they're targeted so much more often, and so much more vulnerable, wouldn't we expect this to show up in the statistics? Here's some data from Canada (2008). Women are 1.2× more likely than men to be the victims of common assault, which is the less serious and less injurious form of physical assault. Men on the other hand are more often the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 09:08 PM |
| 7 | Q4All: Do you really believe we feminists hate men?What about murder? That's what you originally brought up and what I responded to. I'd like some closure on that topic. Why exactly is the murder of women more concerning than the murder of men, which happens ~4 times more often? I'm happy to discuss other topics and give my perspective when it doesn't seem like you're just bringing them up to not have to address your original comment about murder. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 09:01 PM |
| 12 | Q4All: Do you really believe we feminists hate men?I still don't understand how any of this means that the murder of women is a special concern. Women are less likely to be murdered. What would you like to change about that? What's your goal? Would you like to make women's lead over men in terms of not being murdered that much higher? If you want to make a separate argument that sexual assault is a valid issue and that women are disproportionately affected, I don't have a problem agreeing. But we were talking about murder, weren't we? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 08:57 PM |
| 20 | Q4All: Do you really believe we feminists hate men?Because they are mostly killed by their partners Is a partner murder "worth more" than a friend murder, business associate murder, or stranger murder? Currently men are about 4 times more likely to be murdered than women. What ratio would this have to go up to for the men's deaths to be as concerning as the women's (far fewer) deaths? 10:1? or men who sexually assault them specifically because they are women. It's "because they're women" only in the sense that people are much more likely to sexu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 08:47 PM |
| 8 | Q4All: Do you really believe we feminists hate men?The people who blame rape victims because they were drunk do not stand up against gender-based violence. Feminists stand up against "violence against women", not gender-based violence. Those can't be the same thing (i.e. it's not the case that any violence that happens to a woman must have been because of her gender, while none of the violence that happens to a man was because of his gender, especially when we live in a society where violence against men is generally considered more socially acc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 08:24 PM |
| 14 | Q4All: Do you really believe we feminists hate men?Judging by the amount of women who are killed every year in Western countries, those laws are clearly not working. Why is the murder of women a special concern? Surely women's lives aren't worth more. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 08:22 PM |
| 2 | Q4All: Do you really believe we feminists hate men?Feminists actually fight against unsolicited male attention. It's not realistic to expect men to wait to be "solicited" ("I'm at a party, there's a cute girl over there I'd like to talk to, but I can't because I haven't been solicited"). I think the attention would be better spent on whether they accept a clear "no" for an answer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 08:20 PM |
| 53 | Q4All: Do you really believe we feminists hate men?Although I am sure there are a few extremists out there, I have never met a feminist who hated all men and did not have any positive experiences with friends or colleagues or boyfriends to talk about. This is the equivalent of "I'm not racist, I have friends who are black", isn't it? You can hate a group and still think that there are exceptions, that there are a few "good ones". It's only when you get to really intense hatred that you cannot see any individual in that group in a positive light.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 08:07 PM |
| 1 | Q4BP: What Do You Think About the "Fragile Masculinity" Concept/Memes?Why spend money over a lifetime to shave or upkeep facial hair regularly when you can instead laser it off for good? Either they like the way their facial hair looks or they want to keep the option open in the future. I think it's kind of funny that the thing you picked for your criticism of masculinity was basically "putting effort into your appearance". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/17 07:55 PM |
| 5 | CMV: Blue and Red pillers argue because they both are after the wrong enemy: women. The real enemy is other men.You can have partners on the side, if you enter into a relationship with someone who's fine with you doing this (i.e. an open relationship, or polyamory). We look down on people who cheat because they agreed to be monogamous and then broke that agreement. They found someone who wasn't OK with them having a partner on the side, and then they decided to do it anyway. You seem to be suggesting a world where you aren't expected to follow through with commitments you make. Put it this way, if you do … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/17 09:20 PM |
| 4 | CMV: Blue and Red pillers argue because they both are after the wrong enemy: women. The real enemy is other men.I don't understand what your argument is. Because a high number of people end up cheating, we should no longer hold people responsible for cheating? Except that it applies specifically to women? Not that I think this makes sense, but we're looking at likelihood then we should be looking at the chance of infidelity in a particular relationship. But over the course of your entire relationship, the chances of infidelity may rise to as much as 25 percent. Twenty-five percent — over the course of an … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/17 08:56 PM |
| 8 | CMV: Blue and Red pillers argue because they both are after the wrong enemy: women. The real enemy is other men.This doesn't make sense at all. Why are you getting upset at all women? She's the one who entered into an agreement with me (to be monogamous) and then broke her obligations. I didn't enter into any agreement with a random man that I might never have met. I'd be upset with him if he knew, but it's not personal in the same way. The problem here isn't women or their behaviors, its other men who exploit these loopholes in behavior to get YOUR women. Why isn't it a problem if people enter into an ag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/17 08:40 PM |
| 2 | When TRPers talk about feminism vs when BP talks about TRPThe "sidebar" of feminism is basically just women and men should be equal. That definition of feminism is to the "TRP is just about self-improvement" definition of TRP. The "sidebar" of feminism is made up of influential feminist texts and other material that comes from influential feminist authors/organizations. Feminism is for everybody: passionate politics (2000) by bell hooks would be somewhere on the "feminist sidebar". And some TRPers "well some famous feminists say toxic things too" and t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/03/17 05:19 PM |
| 7 | Q4Feminists & BPers. If feminism and feminists in general are attempting to place the blame or responsibility for women's upward social, political, and economic mobility on white hetero males, as if everything is our fault, why should I respect feminism?Because the same principle applies. If you can understand that toxic masculinity example I brought up you can also apply the same logic to "predominant blame for the system and what goes on in the system is placed at the feet of men" Please explain. First off "Oppression" isn't even from 2000, but from a more radical time (1983) and there has been a lot of change in feminist theory since that time. Frye is also known for giving the birdcage analogy: it's the system that's at fault, not individua… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/17 11:48 PM |
| 14 | Q4Feminists & BPers. If feminism and feminists in general are attempting to place the blame or responsibility for women's upward social, political, and economic mobility on white hetero males, as if everything is our fault, why should I respect feminism?Why do you go on tangents like this and avoid addressing points that people make? The topic we were discussing is whether "predominant blame for the system and what goes on in the system is placed at the feet of men" (and also whether you were right that someone could only arrive at that conclusion if they are "incapable of understanding nuance and reading above a Trump level"). I provided evidence for my claim (the Frye quote) and I don't think you addressed it. Edit: Also, you didn't address m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/17 10:14 PM |
| 7 | Q4Feminists & BPers. If feminism and feminists in general are attempting to place the blame or responsibility for women's upward social, political, and economic mobility on white hetero males, as if everything is our fault, why should I respect feminism?But if at least half of the anti-feminist arguments are based on fundamental misunderstandings this is justified in my opinion. Like this or that are the usual level of mental effort they put into it and all they are showing is that they don't even know what they are arguing against. It's justified to say that the conclusion I made is only possible from people who are "incapable of understanding nuance and reading above a Trump level" because you think that other, unrelated anti-feminist points … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/17 09:58 PM |
| 14 | Q4Feminists & BPers. If feminism and feminists in general are attempting to place the blame or responsibility for women's upward social, political, and economic mobility on white hetero males, as if everything is our fault, why should I respect feminism?That's only the conclusion that easily triggered anti-feminists come up with because they are incapable of understanding nuance and reading above a Trump level. No one is blaming every man and no one is saying that individual men weren't oppresed themselves. There's no reason for half of your post to be a personal attack, even if you think it's vague enough to not get your comment removed. I'd prefer a discussion where we don't throw jabs like that back and forth. Marilyn Frye, in her article “O… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/17 09:25 PM |
| 8 | Q4Feminists & BPers. If feminism and feminists in general are attempting to place the blame or responsibility for women's upward social, political, and economic mobility on white hetero males, as if everything is our fault, why should I respect feminism?Would you ever expect a Marxist to say: "we're not placing the blame for capitalist oppression on the bourgeoisie (the capitalists themselves), we're placing the blame on the system!"? I wouldn't, because in Marxism the bourgeoisie are the ones said to be doing the oppressing, and said to be in power in the supposedly oppressive system. Similarly, men (and whites, etc.) are said to be the oppressors and the ones in power in this supposedly oppressive system; obviously predominant blame for the o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/17 09:15 PM |
| 12 | Q4Feminists & BPers. If feminism and feminists in general are attempting to place the blame or responsibility for women's upward social, political, and economic mobility on white hetero males, as if everything is our fault, why should I respect feminism?doesn't anyone know what political, economic and social systems are anymore? But in these systems, men as a class (also straight people, white people, etc.) are said to "have power". Male power, male hegemony, male violence, and male domination are all common terms. Those groups are frequently called "oppressors", and other groups called "oppressed". You can say "well actually it's a system!" but I think it's quite clear that predominant blame for the system and what goes on in the system is pla… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/17 09:05 PM |
| 3 | Q4TBP: If TRP isn't true nor works, why hate it?You referred to debate with this line. I assumed it was a reference to /r/PurplePillDebate. The fact that you guys are debating TRP means it may not be as ridiculous as you claim to think it is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/17 01:10 AM |
| 4 | Q4TBP: If TRP isn't true nor works, why hate it?I've never participated in the /r/TheBluePill subreddit. The few times I've been on there, it involved too much mean-spirited mocking for my own tastes. That's not really my cup of tea. I can address your point about having serious discussion with RPers, though. It's the same for me as having serious discussions with BPers and feminists, who I also have many disagreements with. I simply find topics related to gender to be interesting, and I enjoy discussing them with people, especially people wh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/03/17 12:33 AM |
| 9 | Q4TBP: If TRP isn't true nor works, why hate it?I think you're having a problem stepping outside of your own mind. That's not an attack on you; we've all had that problem before, and I include myself there. When we believe something so strongly, we often have a hard time understanding how anyone else could possibly disagree. But people do genuinely disagree with TRP. People believe all sorts of things: crazy religions, crazy political ideologies, crazy conspiracy theories, etc. Surely one particular view of gender and sexual strategy on a for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/17 11:39 PM |
| 7 | Q4TBP: If TRP isn't true nor works, why hate it?My question is, why hate something that doesn't work anyways? Why hate something that doesn't reflect reality? Wouldn't it be the opposite? Why hate something that does reflect reality? I think it makes a lot more sense to "hate" (more generally, have strongly negative opinions of) a world-view that's wrong than one that's right. I don't think that the ideology of the Soviet Union was true or that it worked, and to me that's exactly what's the problem with it. If it was true and it worked, I'd h… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/17 11:10 PM |
| 1 | [Q4men] How forward can I be with men?I think it depends on the guy, particularly how much success/attention he's used to getting from women. Guys with more modest levels of success with women (and certainly guys with very low levels of success) are more likely to be discouraged by a woman who's being aloof, and become enthusiastic themselves with a woman who's enthusiastic. Guys who are used to more success with women and have more of an abundance mentality are more likely to be turned off by a woman who's more enthusiastic and int… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/03/17 10:30 PM |
| 7 | CMV: The Red Pill's detractors dislike/hate/oppose the users of r/TheRedPill more than they do The Red Pill itself.sweeping generalizations based on an off hand remark from a random red piller. Sweeping generalizations based on shaky/non-existent evidence are a large part of what I don't like about TRP (/r/TheRedPill, not MGTOWs or incels, because you mention them in your other post). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/03/17 02:45 PM |
| 1 | Man kills woman: 11 years jail; woman kills man: 3 months jail for "heartbroken" killer | Male disposability rules the courtsI was supporting and expanding on your point, not trying to correct you. I didn't think that you weren't aware of that fact. | /r/MensRights | 17/03/17 12:55 PM |
| 1 | Man kills woman: 11 years jail; woman kills man: 3 months jail for "heartbroken" killer | Male disposability rules the courtsThe cases are not that similar. That's why we should look at studies that take a larger, more comprehensive look at sentencing, like those in section 2 here. | /r/MensRights | 17/03/17 12:39 PM |
| 9 | Are blue pillers scared of getting red pilled? Why do their sub have a disclaimer saying to get off TBP from time to time? Be honest.you cannot be filled with hate if you know 100% that TRP is a lie because you'd disregard it as a joke and would not be affected by it. That doesn't make sense. It means they think it's wrong and harmful, not a joke. To use an example that might resonate with you: I could go on a feminist forum, see all sorts of talk about "male privilege", "male entitlement", and how men are just awful people and women are so much worse off, and I could feel anger or hatred because it's wrong, toxic, and they g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/03/17 12:38 PM |
| 6 | Is it just me or is female N counts/promiscuity/'sluts' one of the most contentious sexual/relationship gender issues between men and women and women and women?You have to explain to me what specifically happens when a woman has sexual intercourse with a new man that takes away from her "value". This is kind of like asking what specifically happens to a phone when an Apple logo is added to it that adds to its "value". Value in this context really is just determined by how much people want it, even if you think that the reason people do or don't want it is silly. A virgin guy in his 20s has lower value simply because it will generally make women want hi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/17 03:10 AM |
| 4 | Change My View: The reason the Brock Turner case pissed off so many feminists is because it was a rare case of a male being given access to female privilege in the court systemThis page (section 2) summarizes 8 studies, most of which look at sentencing. I think they all at least control for offense severity and criminal history, with additional factors (dependents, use of firearm, victim injury, etc.) depending on the study. If you're interested in a good discussion of whether those types of studies are able to account for everything, section 3 of the third paper (by Sonja B. Starr) is pretty good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/17 02:34 AM |
| 4 | Change My View: The reason the Brock Turner case pissed off so many feminists is because it was a rare case of a male being given access to female privilege in the court systemThis is same reason women are given lesser sentences as well. Not because they have this halo of benevolent sexism around them. Because they really are less of a threat in aggregate and have lower recidivism rates. Just a note, simply comparing recidivism rates is misleading. It's true that women (and whites, and more educated people, etc.) have lower recidivism rates, but they also commit (on average) less serious crimes and have less of a criminal history. Both of those things are associated w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/03/17 02:23 AM |
| 13 | Do you think there is anything morally wrong about a woman having a 'sponsor' who (extravagantly) pays for her rent, travel, entertainment in a long-term arrangement? (Assuming there are likely other women and she is informed and consenting.) Is she an example of using excellent girl game?If she's not lying or misleading him then I don't see why it would be morally wrong. I do think that if she's able to get by in life (or even more than that, live extravagantly) without having to do anything except exist, be at least somewhat attractive, and presumably spend some of her time with this guy, there's a pretty good chance that she won't really develop much as a person (won't be particularly interesting, will have minimal skills, etc.). This point applies beyond this situation, e.g. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/17 08:07 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Female arousal is based on perceptive judgement while male arousal is based on aesthetic judgement.What is your evidence that women cannot possibly be attracted to a guy who isn't "6 feet tall(minimum) handsome, natural broad-shoulders, a V-shaped torso, developed biceps, great hair etc etc."? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/17 07:43 PM |
| 3 | CMV: Female arousal is based on perceptive judgement while male arousal is based on aesthetic judgement.On the other hand, women's sex drive is highly specialized and it seeks out only men with a specific set of physical traits, and all of those traits have to be present in a man them to feel any sexual desire. The man has to be 6 feet tall(minimum) handsome, natural broad-shoulders, a V-shaped torso, developed biceps, great hair etc etc. You're really that certain that women cannot possibly be attracted to any guy who doesn't fit those criteria? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/17 07:34 PM |
| 8 | CMV: Female arousal is based on perceptive judgement while male arousal is based on aesthetic judgement.Women are simply more aware of how their own attraction works and how mens does than those themselves do (in general). Given how much closer men's stated preferences are to what I see them go for (compared to women's stated preferences and what I see them go for), I'm doubtful of this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/03/17 05:44 PM |
| 3 | "There is nothing that indicates the necessity for self-repair more clearly than hatred of the opposite sex."Because broad generalizations that only mention negative traits aren't being seen as opinions, but rather as a way to spread hatred. We hold different standards for different groups, though. Negative generalizations about women are much more likely to be seen as hateful or sexist than negative generalizations about women. Generalizations accusing the other gender of entitlement are a good example. "Female entitlement!" from TRP is seen as hateful and sexist to a much larger extent than "male ent… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/17 02:10 PM |
| 3 | Q4ALL: Why are feminists obsessed with being treated like men?men are not discriminated against. nobody looks at an application and says "we can't accept him, he's a guy." what they do say is "this woman has expressed interest in STEM and women are underrepresented in those fields, so we will give her application a boost." They're competing for a limited number of spaces presumably. Penalizing you by 10 or 15 points (out of 100) has the same effect as giving your competition a 10 or 15 point bonus, which is that you have to be much better than them to have… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/17 10:26 PM |
| 1 | Whats your take on "looks theory" from lookism.net and sluthate.comOP mentioned sexual attraction. It's possible that you get less attention when you give a "fuck-off vibe" not because you're seen as less sexually attractive but because people don't think there's a chance that it will go anywhere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/17 04:58 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The Day Without Women is going to prove the world can do fine without them in the work force.Getting kicked out is extremely unlikely and it's misleading to suggest that possibility. However, there's a very real chance if a guy gets involved on campus and becomes known as a men's rights activist (whether or not he uses the term himself) and critical of feminism / social justice that there would be negative repercussions. What comes to mind first: difficulty getting reference letters from professors, perhaps also research opportunities, scholarships or bursaries (depending on who's admin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/17 04:51 AM |
| 11 | The Day without Women proves that society treats women like childrenFeminism is about equity between the genders, if you read some feminist critical theory, especially contemporary work, you would know that feminism strives to eliminate the biases that are instilled in us by the patriarchy, that means biases against women and also biases against men. Some of those biases include; men should always be the highest earner in the family, men can't take care of their children, men are sexual predators who can't control their impulses etc. Here's my major problem with… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/17 04:08 AM |
| 4 | Q4Feminists: Do you accept that TRP and feminism are morally equivalent?Feminism is now explicitly justifying its stances by pointing at TRP and saying "the terpers do X, therefore we are also fully justified in doing likewise". Feminism, a large movement with institutional power, is widely referencing a medium sized forum on reddit? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/17 09:54 PM |
| 1 | If sex is a basic human right for men, isn't it also a basic human right for women?You can't make yourself less horny without sex. [...] I don't think it is a want as much as a need, because it is a largely involuntary process. You can make yourself less horny through masturbation. However, I don't think that's the measure of a biological need. I can't satisfy my desire to see the world without actually travelling, and my desire to travel is pretty clearly involuntary, but I wouldn't call it a biological need and I don't think you would either. The fact that you can go without… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/17 05:51 PM |
| 6 | Red pillers are just as easily triggered/offended and moralistic as "blue haired SJWs", just that they care about different demographics.The "war on Christmas" seems like a point made by the established Christian conservatives like Bill O'Reilly, not the alt-right. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/17 05:50 PM |
| 1 | CMV: The Day Without Women is going to prove the world can do fine without them in the work force.This was reported as not challenging OP's view, but this post says it would cause a lot of inconvenience, while OP says "do just fine without them". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/17 05:37 PM |
| 2 | If sex is a basic human right for men, isn't it also a basic human right for women?Sex is a biological need, much like hunger. I've found most people who argue against sex being a need, sure don't go without it very often... just sayin' I assume you mean to say that food is a biological need (not that hunger is a biological need, because that sounds like you need to be hungry; that wouldn't make sense in this context). Couldn't I turn this around? If you think that going without sex is like going without food, you sure haven't gone without food. A year without sex is certainly… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/17 02:01 AM |
| 5 | The CDC states that females ages 20-24 have a median N-count of 2.6. Do you believe this is correct?We can narrow it down if we assume that it's somewhere in between women's lower number (2.6) and the men's higher number (I checked OP's source and it's 4.1). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/17 01:24 AM |
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