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That makes a lot more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 07:19 PM
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Wait. How is a sorority girl lower status than a drug dealer from a poor family? That's near the bottom of the socioeconomic totem pole.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 06:55 PM
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Whose population? Worldwide population?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 11:13 PM
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Yes. It's true. No "leftists" get married, like... ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 11:11 PM
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Primitive man had the institution of marriage? Care to provide evidence for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 09:07 PM
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The duration of time that something has been in existence is not an argument for its being biological.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 03:51 AM
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That simply isn't accurate. Where in biology do you see the basis for a legal contract? Again, what you mean is something like "wide-spread cultural phenomenon." Just because something occurs across societies over time doesn't make it a part of biology, any more than having a driving license is part of biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 06:29 PM
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How am I changing the subject? You said "societal construct," and I explained what that actually means. It isn't my fault if you don't know the difference between marriage and two people who are in a nebulous "relationship" of some kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 06:23 PM
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Actually, it is. It's a ceremonial and formal contract between two people that has legal effect. Everything about that is socially constructed. A social construct is simply something that has been created by humans and operates within a given society. Marriage does not exist outside of this definition - what you mean is something like "cohabitation."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 03:37 PM
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I'm not surprised that it's getting more common, although rates still vary depending on social status. I don't think it's necessarily desirable for the majority of people who want kids. (I don't count divorced/separated couples as 'single parents') Of course, this only matters for people who want kids and the financial perks/symbolism that marriage offers. That's probably not the majority of people nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:42 PM
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Right?? It's incredibly self-deprecating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:27 PM
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Marriage today is mostly symbolic (showing a stronger commitment to someone/the relationship), and/or for the purpose of having children. I don't think the people who plan on having kids will be abandoning marriage anytime soon, mostly because there are benefits for families (socially and financially). Also, some people are just traditional like that. I agree that it's completely societal, however, although most things that humans do are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 02:13 PM
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That's preferences for women who travel outside their country of origin to find sexual companionship (i.e. not the most attractive bunch). It's hardly indicative of an ethnic preference among European women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 10:34 PM
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Do you have sources for your claims of ethnic preference? It sounds anecdotal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 07:11 PM
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True, but then I think what you mean by "natural" is more like "the most common type." Most people are naturally heterosexual, for example. I also wonder if our expectations of "monogamy" aren't a little odd. By that I mean that what we describe as a monogamous relationship nowadays is wrapped up in many social connotations that I'd argue are not essential to the idea (some of your specific reasons seem to fall under this category). Of course, it's hard to say what is an actual preference and wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 04:19 AM
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What I mean is that, to my mind, it seems reasonable to suppose that there may be monogamous individuals within a given society that we'd classify largely non-monogamous as a whole--if surveyed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:35 AM
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Why so, though? If I'm attracted to blondes, but you can't stand them, why should that be an impediment to our dating (assuming that I'm exclusively interested in you)?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:32 AM
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What makes you think that monogamy cannot be innate to individuals, but not cultures?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:04 AM
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Humans might be primates, but you can't look at modern apes and generalize from that basis. That's like saying we can tell what crocodile behaviour should be like by studying birds.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 01:03 AM
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What about a man who is attracted to men, but has never dated one? Also, what exactly do you think "gay sex" consists of?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 12:51 AM
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They're implying that women as a whole should "be more reasonable" and sleep with them. That's basically it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 12:55 AM
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I'm a man and I wear subtle makeup. Never once have I ever been "treated weird" as a result. In fact, most people can't tell that I have it on, and women find it hot that I take care of my appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 11:52 PM
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There are a lot of subtle advantages gained by looking healthier, being better groomed, and being sharper than the opposition. Sexual attraction is just part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 11:50 PM
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Even easier: use a lip mask. Many of them are gently exfoliating and can double as a daily lip balm.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 11:47 PM
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That's the fantasy version. So-called 'bad boys' more often than not actually are the 'competent men,' it's just that rebuffed Nice Guys can't accept their own inadequacy--so everyone that gets women must be an asshole that those good girlies will eventually lose interest in, and then she'll finally love the Nice Guy instead... lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 11:34 PM
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I don't think that's so at all. Maybe there are fewer men who embody the bad boy archetype, but that doesn't mean that most of the rest are good men. Men can leave at any time we want. The fact that a lot of men are too cowardly to do so and get wrapped up in muh-pore-feewings is entirely their own fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 08:49 PM
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No, it is not better. You are making up a reality in which everyone who has an unwanted pregnancy has that pregnancy by virtue of their own doing. In this timeline, people are raped. You cannot argue points of morality and personal responsibility and simultaneously disregard examples that make your argument problematic by virtue of statistical quantity. If you believe that all people should take responsibility for their actions, it follows that those who are not responsible for their actions sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 11:01 PM
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At what rate does someone's circumstance become worthy of consideration to you, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 08:35 PM
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It is not an emotional assessment. Your comment was objectively biased with regard to sex and assigned moral condemnation to the act of sex ("degenerate"). Nothing I said was emotional, but your comment clearly was.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 08:29 PM
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Rational discussion about people's rights cannot exist without consideration for "statistical anomalies." The aggregate of the exceptional cases is weighty enough that they all warrant inclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 07:34 PM
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Ad hominem refers to the person, not the substance of their words. Of course, if you feel that you're a sexist or ignorant person then that's another matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 07:30 PM
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Where did I claim that they were a rule? You're the one making sweeping generalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 07:29 PM
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You: "Got raped? Shouldn't have been having reckless sex!"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:05 PM
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Ah, a sexist AND ignorant comment. What a delightful combo.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 02:04 PM
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Success is certainly attractive, but wealth is not a measure of success--only an indication of it. All people are attracted to wealth, but it's incredibly naive to assume that wealth alone confers attractiveness in the absence of its presumptive distribution. If success is an element, then money is its solid state.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 03:52 PM
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The trouble is that you're reading Emerson and calling it "philosophy."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 04:17 AM
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See, I don't buy this argument. Why would rich men who date hot women, when the relationship is clearly transactional, have no issues in this regard when men who go brothels supposedly would? They're both transactional sex arrangements, in my view. You'd have to argue that most men who pursue sex want more than just sex. I think a lot of men would disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 04:15 AM
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It's ironic that you talk about liberating oneself from restrictive, external influences when you're out here perpetuating the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 04:06 AM
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I'm confused. Do these women not want children? If so, they have the choice to terminate the pregnancy. No one is forcing women to have kids if they're pregnant except for backwards countries and religious nuts. Oh, and the USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 02:39 AM
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Trust is not simply being open and honest. Trust is not knowing for sure whether someone is going to do X thing, but believing in them that they won't. Trust is established by knowing the person, not by trying to head them off at every turn like a control-freak. You do not understand risk. Risk is something quantifiable--how can you quantify the possibility of someone possibly, maybe cheating on you? You cannot, because people cheat for reasons, some of which might not be applicable to all situa…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 12:58 AM
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I can, of course, imagine that happening. But that gives me absolutely no indication that it will happen for any specific person. Cheating is very common. Does that mean we shouldn't date people because they may cheat? No, it means we should be circumspect about those we date. Not everyone cheats, and not everyone wants to travel to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 12:16 AM
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People's private lives never need to be transparent, unless they want them to be. I never let any of my partners rifle through my private conversations, and I don't care to see theirs. It's a display of trust. You aren't mitigating risk--you're trying to mitigate uncertainty. There is nothing inherently risky in one's partner meeting an old friend who happens to be a man (and was probably a friend before you were dating). The uncertainty in that scenario, however, is whether they would cheat on …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 12:11 AM
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Cheating happens all over the place. Wanting loyalty doesn't mean restricting harmless activities because you think they afford opportunities for cheating. Someone who wants to be unfaithful will find a way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 12:02 AM
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The way that women express interest is often less direct than men, whether by social norm or otherwise. Lots of men are completely oblivious to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 10:48 PM
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Principles, yes--ones that I've decided, on my own, were of use to me and made sense. Not anything to do with moral ideas or social conventions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 10:46 PM
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I agree that neither men nor women are just animals, but I don't think that popular morality has to factor into it at all. If a woman is judged 'sexually immoral,' that's just a made-up category and the labels that go along with it are spurious. It makes sense to me that we can judge the actions of others as predatory. Deciding that any one sexuality is inherently predatory doesn't, and I don't buy the moral labels of others as a benchmark for what is and isn't permissible sexually. That's how w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 10:00 PM
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Because one thing that I believe in is sticking to my word. So although I've had experience with unfaithful people in the past, it was never me. If I decide I like someone enough to be with them alone, I do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 09:12 PM
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As much as I agree with your rockstar example, your penultimate sentence is ridiculous. Male sexuality doesn't need to be controlled by laws and society any more than female sexuality does. Both need to have respect for other people and obey the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 09:05 PM
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Wait, so you think people should be able to read all your private conversations on your phone? IMO, that's really suspicious behaviour. Without exception, the only men I've ever seen complain about male friends and 'girls nights out' have been men who either can't compete with other options, or are afraid that they can't. Either way, the problem is not a disrespectful partner, but an insecure one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 08:50 PM
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What do you consider "suspicious and potentially disrespectful behaviours?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:57 PM
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That's just simply untrue. I've never cheated even when given opportunities in the past, and I'm far less 'moral' than the average bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:55 PM
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This doesn't sound like a you problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 04:26 PM
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Extravagant
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 12:21 AM
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Yes. Fucking off.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 11:38 PM
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I found them hilarious, personally. Silly, but funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 11:36 PM
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That sounds an awful lot like the rhetoric I see on this very sub regarding virgin women and promiscuous ones. I think people can have whatever preferences they want, men and women. What I take issue with is when people ascribe moral qualities to things that aren't moral traits. That study pointed out perceptions of neurosis, extraversion, being open to new experiences, being prototypical, attractiveness, sexual activeness, skill in bed, and having more sexual partners. None of these things are …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 11:13 PM
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What does the perception of having more sexual partners have to do with the moral concepts of good and evil? Perhaps it is you who are shaming others for their totally valid body preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 08:38 PM
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It isn't healthy to obsess over the opinions of others to the point that one develops a neurosis. It indicates that a change of mindset is needed. No one is entitled to a world without preferences. Not all of us measure up to ideals.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/22 02:46 PM
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Do you have evidence that "women" gave "men" this disorder? Which women? How did they "give" a disorder? Was it a big conspiracy? Do all men experience this, or just some? Are there other possible explanations? More importantly, do any medical professionals agree that women inflicted men with penis anxiety, or would they tell you that you're talking out of your ass?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 02:36 PM
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If realizing desirability causes an entire syndrome to develop, that's not the problem of the valuers, but the observer.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 02:32 PM
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That's because "being yourself" has to do with being true to your own person and being honest, not letting everything hang out and never taking care of yourself. I refuse to believe that you cannot understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 01:44 AM
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They're talking pseudo-history. We can hardly expect peer-reviewed sources for fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:44 PM
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State-wtf?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:41 PM
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The larger collective be damned.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:40 PM
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Title IX has been around since the 70s and people have been successfully meeting in school since.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 12:34 PM
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Is it necessary for you to know the exact decimal percentage of how likely you are to "drop dead" of a heart attack in your 20s before it doesn't bother you? There is a consensus that false rape accusations are rare. Fear of uncertainty is precisely the type of fear that is invalid, because it obscures one's perception of risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:41 AM
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That isn't how people frame it on here. Phrases like "better men" or "more intelligent" are thrown around in reference to nice guys, as though the men who actually get women can't possibly be intelligent or worthwhile themselves. It's simply a mechanism by which they can assume that they possess some quality that other men must lack, so that they don't have to feel inadequate. But that's precisely why niceness isn't an attractive trait on its own: it's inadequate. Kindness can be an attractive q…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 11:32 AM
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So men who are past their early 20s are unable to attract women sexually? And it's because of some kind of conspiracy? Do you realize how untethered to reality that sounds?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:49 AM
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I don't know. I've had more men try to debate me about the nice-guy phenomenon on this sub than I ever have in real life. Nowhere else have I encountered the idea that nice guys who can't get laid are morally superior beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:39 AM
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Clean however you want, but I guarantee you that your sweat does not smell like cookies to anyone else. There's a reason we have deodorants/fragrances.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 02:36 AM
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I've never found trouble interpreting women's signals. Perhaps your stories aren't as objective as you might think?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:59 PM
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Just because a lot of people might be afraid of something doesn't mean that it's a valid concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:58 PM
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Depends. Were you too drunk to consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:49 PM
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Hang on, are you trying to argue that human beings don't interact sexually in such a way that consenting to having sex is a factor of consideration? You can give consent in verbal and non-verbal ways. You can't give true consent when you're sloshed. It's pretty goddamn simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 12:05 PM
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The irony of your observation about emotionally-charged language is that saying "men are sexist" doesn't make any numerical claims. It is you who read such claims into the language, on the basis of pure emotion. If only 10% of men are sexist, it is still accurate to say that men are sexist, precisely because "men" is a collective noun - not a universal one. The reality is that you would rather hear something like "some men are sexist" not because you feel it would be more accurate, but because i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:58 AM
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This is a huge oversimplification of left vs right politics, but you already knew that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:48 AM
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Nothing here has affected my relationships the slightest bit. I still abide by the same standards and approaches as before. I mostly find this sub entertaining. At one point, mostly older threads, I used to see a lot of debate about different social strategies and engagement with the dating world. Now everything is outlandish statements and blackpill-esque comments. The supposed sexlessness of most men is by far the most-debated topic on this sub recently. And I love every twisted minute of it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:59 PM
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Even my keyboard is antithetical to religious appellation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:51 PM
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What about snall doses?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:49 PM
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God save the king, and down with traitors!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:39 PM
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Same. Most of the women I've dated have been around my height (5'7-5'8) and have never cared about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 03:38 PM
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Uh... women do select for intelligence. They simply don't care for high intelligence in combination with autistic or socially-unaware tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:38 PM
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Louder for the peanut gallery!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:32 PM
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Your issue is that you somehow see the "calmer, more stable guy" as some kind of morally-superior being who is worthy of more than he gets. He is neither of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:32 PM
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I mean that frustrated men are either improving themselves to the point that they get relationships, giving up, or blowing up their own lives. Everyone else keeps trucking along, because this is an individual problem and you can't force people to like you. The sooner everyone realizes that, the sooner all this doomer stuff will end.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 05:04 PM
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And also for his bad fashion sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 03:43 PM
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BAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh wait... you're serious. Ok, riddle me this: what's the difference between watching porn and imagining other women in your head?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 03:42 PM
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Why find a solution to a problem that's literally solving itself?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 03:40 PM
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That's because societal collapse is laughable. Do you have any idea how robust our civilization is? Any clue how much force it would take to bring it down? The grim reality is that it doesn't really matter how many people are suffering. Western society is bigger and more influential than it has ever been, and a few frustrated people on the internet aren't going to register as more than the smallest of speed bumps along the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 03:38 PM
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Brb, telling all the mediaeval kings that they're actually betas. Checkmate, pappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 03:51 AM
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This is just silly. If you had ever tried to hunt a wild boar before, you would know why they used to do it with spears. Boars are dangerous, and they can gore you even while mortally wounded. Getting close enough to use a knife means you're probably hurt, if not dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 03:08 AM
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Personally, I think she's good looking but definitely not my type.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 03:05 AM
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Of course it applies to women, but I've never heard so many women openly whining about their perceived attractiveness on the internet as I have men since probably 2009.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 08:51 PM
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Testosterone levels, for one thing. Women are naturally attracted to men who display physical prowess, martial capability, and a healthy body. That doesn't necessarily overlap with evil tendencies. All of the men in my family are "physically aggressive," but treat women well and have excessive amounts of testosterone. None of them are "macho men" or whatever stereotypical combobulation your mind happens to conjure when you hear the word "aggressive."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 08:46 PM
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I'm in Canada and I like the cold, although the salaries do indeed suck. I'm not sure that immigration matters as much as you think. Most immigrants tend to cluster in their own communities, and (like it or not) they mostly end up with women from their own cultures. Social circle is important here, same as everywhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 05:44 PM
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Whether a woman wears her weight well (or a man, for that matter) has a lot to do with body composition. https://www.insider.com/how-different-women-look-at-same-weight-2016-6#both-of-these-women-weigh-200-lbs-1
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 05:41 PM
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Not true. Canada is slightly better than the USA in this metric (but not by much).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 05:35 PM
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"Ultra" simply means an extreme - the furthest point of an idea. If masculinity is not toxic (and I don't believe that it is toxic), then embodying the extreme version of that expression shouldn't be inherently toxic, though it may be unwelcome or suffocating. If that extreme is toxic, then perhaps it (i.e. the description of men being "worthless and disposable") is not ultra masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 05:22 PM
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Eastern European women are wise to the whole "sexual tourism" thing, and they often come with a culture shock: many of them expect to have their expenses paid by a man (not just dates, expenses), etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 05:17 PM
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That isn't so. People want to latch on to others' success. You'll never have so many friends, false and true, as when you're a driven and successful person. I don't think that being courteous to others lowers your own value, but if one's version of 'kindness' is never to place the needs of themselves and their loved ones over that of those people, then I'd argue that such an inaction is not just self-debasing, but also ethically wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:50 PM
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But we are also not talking about whether overweight women are acceptable. We are talking about whether they're average to the same extent that the average man can be considered average. Just like you wouldn't ever consider an overweight woman to be your version of acceptable, many women don't consider balding, boring, and somewhat ugly men to be in their dating pool either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:46 PM
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Ok, maybe not nobody is staying because of their job. But most people who complain on the internet aren't exactly high-powered lawyer types either. Eastern Europe or Japan is hardly a happy hunting ground for frustrated Americans these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:42 PM
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Clever. I take your point. But we are not talking about whether a woman deviates imperceptibly from a hard average of normality. The average woman is not, to use an appropriate analogy, a few mere grams above a healthy weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:31 PM
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But that's just it. If you concentrate on yourself and your own success in life, you will be the opposite of worthless to everyone else. In reality, people do not value the man who gives up his time, emotional effort, and attentions to others indiscriminately. He who has the same regard for himself and his loved ones as he does for everyone else is placing absolute strangers on an equal footing with his own life. These people, rightly perceiving their own value, have no respect for his - why wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:28 PM
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Wait, what? The average woman has fewer than two arms?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:21 PM
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Have to agree with this one. Most average men have a very skewed idea of average women, along with their own attractiveness level.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:19 PM
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It's not the same thing in my life. Maybe this is simply your own perception too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:18 PM
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And you equally are being snubbed. You're not going to convince me that competitiveness is a bad thing, or that it necessarily implies self-worthlessness. Deciding that you are only concerned with yourself and those close to you is not the same thing as rendering yourself disposable. It's the opposite, in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:16 PM
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How on the planet is that cheating? Don't words have meanings anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:12 PM
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Since when is "ultra masculinity" about being disposable and worthless? I swear, when the internet gets a hold of ideas it turns them into monsters.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:09 PM
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My dude, no one is staying in America because of their job. They're staying because it's a much better country to live in than Yemen or Colombia.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:07 PM
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I don't care one bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:05 PM
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I agree with all of that first part, which is basically what I was saying too. There are better ways than self-deprecation to convey interest. Also, too much repetition leads to a loss of meaning, like saying "I love you" to everyone you meet - i.e. attention and commitment shouldn't be given willy-nilly. I find it varies with social set. Most women I know would definitely approach a man, but they don't want to because they don't want to seem like they're too eager. They aren't trying to inflate…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 03:01 PM
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Could you please point out in that study where they checked for puppy-stomping tendencies? Of course you can't. But it's fun to point out how stupid that response was.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 01:59 PM
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I don't think anyone consciously does (hopefully), but it makes perfect sense in action. Women don't like it when men will text them something like "I can't believe I matched with you because you're so beautiful" (an actual quote) because it's a turn-off that this guy is debasing himself so readily. Similarly, men don't actually like it when women throw themselves at them (this can be debated by lonely Nice Guys on the internet forever, but it's true and it's the reason women mostly don't approa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 01:58 PM
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The second study you linked controlled for physical attractiveness, general health, etc., and then only concluded that more aggressive men got more partners. It says nothing about misogyny in these men. This is just another "poor, hurt Nice Guy is good... mean women are the problem" post.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 01:49 PM
1

What makes you think the hot guy isn't as intelligent, or more so, than the ugly guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 01:40 PM
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The men who will offer relationships too easily are devaluing their commitment, so of course you end up rejecting them. But it takes two to tango, and commitment isn't going to be had unless both parties agree independently. Both "men gatekeep commitment" and "women gatekeep sex" are silly ideas, though. Someone only gains control over you when they have something you need or desire and you allow them to do so. If men on here don't want to feel miserable about dating, they should probably stop b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 01:33 PM
5

This is actually a very old sentiment. "Better the mistress of a king than the wife of a subject," etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 01:24 PM
3

Ngl, that's actually pretty hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 06:01 PM
1

Oh, they were surprisingly open about it all. You just found out from others that this person was dating X, that these other two had hooked up and are good friends now, etc. One or two were known to ask a few coworkers out but were never successful. Come to think of it, the place was kind of like a little dating cosmos of its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 05:34 PM
5

Sounds like bad luck to me. A lot of times it isn't so much an issue with the person as not finding someone compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 05:15 PM
1

Not for me. A certain level of physical attractiveness (by my own standards) will be important overall, but I'm more interested in other qualities when it comes to romantic interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 05:12 PM
3

Worked at a bookstore for a few months where basically everyone was in uni and had dated/slept around with each other. It was actually a great job.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 05:09 PM
2

Right, because young kids are never LGBT.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 05:06 PM
2

Destroy the evidence and never tell a soul
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 05:01 PM
1

Have you heard of bodybuilding.com? I'm not sure the internet has been a net benefit in this case haha
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 03:48 PM
1

I'm not sure what height and bodyweight Brad Pitt is in that movie, but please re-read where I said "provided that physique comes naturally to him." The key thing to avoid, IMO, is looking like your body took too much effort to attain - it should look natural and healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 02:29 PM
1

I suppose it probably depends on the type of woman you're going for, but the ones I like have never expressed interest in bodybuilder types.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 02:10 PM
1

This depends massively on genetics and how that guy is training, though. For strength, a decade makes a big difference in terms of strengthening muscle attachments, overall coordination, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 02:03 PM
3

It's highly likely that the so-called 'average' these posters have in mind is actually far below it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:56 PM
3

Because in that movie he's not far off from the physique that most women find attractive, by and large. The majority of women I've met would prefer leanness, v-shaped torso, and nice shoulders on any man - provided that the physique comes naturally to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:51 PM
3

My point is that everyone wants an attractive partner, and most women are about as shallow as most men. It isn't shallow to want a woman who you think is pretty, nor is to shallow to desire a man who seems handsome to you. It's simply human.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:45 PM
1

Yes, but at least I'm not an instrument pretending dignity where there is none to be had.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 04:44 AM
2

Bidets are incredibly weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 04:20 AM
3

Oh FFS, get a grip. No one is coming to rescue a weak anybody. Life is hard for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 12:03 AM
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Since when is preferring a partner who's actually attractive to you a shallow trait? You wouldn't expect a man to date just any old woman, would you? It's when the "sexual strategy" bit comes into play that the real BS begins. Because I have yet to read a single RP rant that contained anything of substance on this matter that was not also tinged with misogyny and saltiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 12:00 AM
4

Haven't you ever read a medical book? Heart health is important!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 11:53 PM
1

I agree with him in part: I think that most people, men and women, shouldn't be allowed to vote. But if all men can vote, then all women certainly should too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 11:51 PM
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So your premise is that TRP is based upon criticism of women. In what respects? Because if you're just going to rant about feminism is the worst thing ever, then it's pretty easy to see why most people would be dismissive of the "movement." Arguing that women's rights are a bad thing and that women are all sluts and liars is patently misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 11:48 PM
3

Muh sogyny!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 07:17 PM
2

What do you mean by prejudice?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 07:16 PM
1

Depends. It's usually not enough on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 06:16 PM
2

Sephora actually has some sort of scanner that will detect your undertones and match them exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 06:14 PM
6

That word on the internets has lost its original meaning. You can't be cuckolded by someone's past partners before they even knew you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 06:12 PM
1

I get what you're trying to say, but I still don't think it's optimal. My point of view is that the best relationships are those that happen organically - it should be easy. If you're struggling too much to get someone to like you, or you have to play games, the juice probably isn't worth the squeeze.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 03:20 PM
1

Female children can also perpetuate it. I'm pretty sure there's consensus that participating in oppressive social structures comes down to upbringing, not the sex of either child.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 03:16 PM
3

Social circles aren't just about friends and hobbies. They're also your socio-economic background, shared values and tastes between people, social class, profession, etc. Whether you're physically attractive to a woman is always going to matter - regardless of what kind of 'approach' you take. That doesn't mean that social circles are outdated.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 02:50 PM
1

But that whole mentality of playing the long game to wear down a woman's initial perception of you and specifically not being direct with your feelings and actions is inherently creepy. If women are interested in you, they'll let you know and you can act on those signals. This kind of backdoor game doesn't work very well, and women are by and large disgusted with men who act like friends for months and then reveal it was all a ploy to get into her pants after a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 02:43 PM
1

Sorry, what?? Having boy children is participating in the patriarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 02:33 PM
2

So orbit and creepily try to 'get her to like you?' This is not social circle game.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 02:30 PM
1

Stinkiness
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 11:12 PM
2

Via your lawyer
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 11:06 PM
3

Buddy, I'm not being vague. I specifically stated: how do you support the idea that traits need to be evenly directed at everyone? I'm not sure how much clearer I can make that without speaking another language. Do you treat everyone that you meet with politeness, or do you automatically assume that you'll have to bash their heads in at some point? If the former, how does that square with your ideas of masculine aggression?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 08:16 PM
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I should like to know how you support that proposition. i.e. that traits are supposed to be evenly directed at everyone. Being dominant and/or a protector in a relationship is not the same as being at the ready to "fuck up" everyone else. Your view of masculine traits, as presented, seems to lack a fair bit of nuance. I'm offering you the opportunity to clear that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 08:03 PM
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No, you didn't explain how they are contradictory - you simply said that traits which are unevenly directed are contradictory, which is a statement that relies upon the assumption that traits should be evenly directed. I should like to know how you support that supposition. My point of view is that masculine aggression is not contradictory simply because it can be controlled (and it CAN be controlled).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 07:43 PM
2

Not everyone who controls things thinks the same way. There are a lot of ways to be in the world. More to the point: why are you living a life so beholden to other people? Why not live a life on your own terms, where you control whether you get friends or a job?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 07:36 PM
2

Not really. That depends on what you mean by 'failing' in that sense. Did you fail at flirting by being awkward and unsexy? Not creepy if it was welcome and you were simply bad at it. But it will be awkward. Did you fail by making unwarranted advances and trying to force a sexual encounter? That's fucking creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 07:33 PM
1

If I put you in a room with a hundred men, only one of them can be a ‘top one percent man’. You might think that you can be that man, but so do ten others. You might think that you got what it takes, but so do they. Who is to say who will be right? Perhaps you think you can be a ‘top 10 percent man’, but so do fifty others. Who is to say who will be right? Regardless of your feelings, the chances are anywhere between very and extremely slim when we talk about becoming a high value man. That is j…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 06:50 PM
1

We are all a minority of one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 06:41 PM
5

Men: If you choose to risk creepy, be prepared for the goddamn consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 06:34 PM
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Speak for yourself. Some of us men do just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 06:26 PM
1

but it does mean you have to endure the occasional errant kiss attempt Uh... fuck no they don't. Women (or anyone else, for that matter) don't have to 'endure' anything from socially-awkward men if they don't want to. What kind of messed up idea is that??
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 06:23 PM
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Dude, if you think flirting is exactly the same behaviour as 'being nice,' then it isn't the women who have the social problem. To other men: please don't just try to kiss women randomly to see if they like you or "sexualize" the conversation when it's unwarranted. That's the very definition of creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 06:20 PM
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That's... why they said to work to who you want to be, if you don't like who you currently are. If you think you like who you are, but feel the need to change it because of other people, then maybe you don't like you as much as you thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 06:08 PM
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How are those contradictory traits? You are the one assuming that these traits must be applied indiscriminately. Most socially competent men/women recognize that these traits can be exhibited differently with regard to different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 06:06 PM
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This is not true. People who wish to bully others are not simply trying to be strong and failing. Being a rapist is not the same as failing at being sexually assertive, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 06:04 PM
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It is the fact that there are requirements at all, that there is nowhere the belief that a man can define for himself how to be so long as it is not harming anyone else. I am troubled by the idea that he constantly has to live for other people, live for their safety and for their peace of mind and then if doing so turns him into a passive facsimile of traditional masculinity, he can then be castigated again for being so changed, for exhibiting the requested agreeable characteristics that led him…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 06:02 PM
4

Exactly. It's about class in the social sense, not just income.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 07:24 PM
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Agreed completely. The way things work in that world is completely different. You really only know if you're part of them - or dated/married into them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 07:22 PM
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This isn't true across the board. A lot of men in those circles are looking for someone who's in their social class and makes an appreciable amount of money compared to them. The money isn't the point: the shared values, shared tastes, and shared mannerisms are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 07:14 PM
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Really? Because I've made good points, backed up by evidence, on this sub that are never even considered by PPD people. I get a lot of anonymous upvotes, but I have yet to see a single poster I've debated ever do anything close to acknowledging a spelling error, much less a mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 07:06 PM
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It's possible to decide that you wouldn't do that yourself and not see a problem with it. The man sounds happy to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:27 PM
1

I understand that, but not every woman is going to perceive true kindness the same way as being a Nice Guy. Some will, and that's their loss. In a lasting relationship, a man can't simply hope to keep things going the same way as in the initial stages. He has to combine assertive, attractive traits with kindness or the relationship isn't going to last. The trick is being able not to go too far and misinterpret what's needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:20 PM
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It's worse than that, I think. More about being attractive in looks plus having great pictures. You could actually be cute and miss out just because your pictures aren't great.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:59 PM
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Ngl, some of those people were funny as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:56 PM
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How am I the one who lacks perspective when your version of being single is going home alone to watch Netflix? Can a man not have any hobbies? Can he not engage in meaningful pursuits and expand his experiences? Can he not travel, win challenges, study, help others, get involved in politics, join the air force, or try a thousand other things to occupy his time and help him live a fulfilling life? I loathe the idea that people are worthless if they are not married. Countless men throughout histor…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:48 PM
1

It was a tongue-in-cheek jab at the PPD perception that women only go for men who are taller than they are. In fact, most of the woman I've dated have been around the same height as me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:37 PM
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I agree. A man like that deserves what he doesn't get. But this is why I don't think that has anything to do with being a kind person: if he were truly nice, he'd be nice to himself first. Otherwise it's all externalized for validation, and therefore inherently manipulative and self-degrading. Nobody wants that. I don't think a man should ever stop being a kind person to the woman in his life, but he certainly should not be constantly trying to gain what he already has out of insecurity either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:36 PM
2

Oh! The probable agony!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 09:17 PM
1

But they are famous, aren't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 08:33 PM
3

What is your preferred implement for fending off thirsty dudes? A large stick? Nunchucks? A withering wit?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 08:31 PM
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Most people struggle to match with another person. You're not a screw-up, no matter what ten people on the internet have to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 08:30 PM
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Agreed, but the point is that he could have done, but did not because he couldn't get out of his own head. People: Experience things! Dare to risk!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 08:27 PM
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Because no one is arguing that women prefer fit, aggressive, and attractive men. What we are talking about is kindness in men and whether it is always an attractive/unattractive trait. It's perfectly possible that a man who's attractive in other ways can also be truly nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 07:26 PM
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No, what's wrong is that you might not understand the word that is being said. When women say they want kind men, and men become supplicating and clingy 'nice guys,' that's an issue of interpretation. Other men have no difficulty understanding this. They tend to do just fine in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:40 PM
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The difficulty with those kinds of surveys is that it's hard to know what the respondents are thinking. If they're asked "Is it sexual harassment when a man asks to buy you a drink," many might instantly think of the types of men who usually make that offer, and respond accordingly. That said, if a woman doesn't like a friendly offer (that's actually done well and with social competence), you can simply back away and that's that. For the record, I've been turned down before and I've never yet ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:12 PM
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Right, I think we're in agreement on that. A lot of it is misinterpretation on the part of these men who think they're 'just being nice.'
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:53 PM
5

Such high standards! So unjust!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:53 PM
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What are you characterizing as masculine and what as feminine energy? Being nice out of weakness means being nice in order to gain favour from others, caring too much about others' opinions, supplicating and lowering yourself (or raising others up too high), and/or generally acting like you have no spine. That's hardly 'feminine' energy, though. Conversely, being kind out of strength means having courtesy, comforting others in distress, having sympathy and helping those who need it, and looking …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:52 PM
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Personal choice, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:04 PM
4

I keep imagining these guys trying to pick up women by jabbering about calculus instead of using pick-up lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:03 PM
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No, what's remarkable is how often pill-men are clueless about what women are ACTUALLY saying. Being 'nice' and 'reliable' with nothing else going for you will obviously not be enough. That doesn't mean that being a kind person isn't a good thing, or that it doesn't enhance a man's attractiveness when displayed from a position of strength. How is this still not common knowledge?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:00 PM
1

To sustain that portion of the population, anyway. Which is probably a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:52 PM
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You act like this is all up to the man and women don't also develop connections to people. Most quality women aren't going to jump ship like that unless the relationship has issues already (insecurity about whether she'll stay counts).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:11 PM
1

This is nonsense. Truly lucrative jobs require credentials, and no one is hiring a woman as a high-earning professional because her face is pretty (though it usually comes with the territory, just as with men).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 01:54 PM
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That's very different from being socially savvy enough that you can get out of your comfort zone, ask someone out, and be successful. The solution isn't to care less about other people's feelings (which will rightly be perceived as bad social adjustment) but instead to ensure that you're talking to women in a civil and attractive way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 01:06 PM
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No, it's addressing what's at the root of these complaints. Look at the comment you replied to - "women are very difficult to obtain and deal with?" Really?? When a man says he wants a girlfriend, he also necessarily wants sex. Otherwise he'd just have a friend. When he can't get one and complains that he deserves one, he's complaining about a lack of sex and thinks he's entitled to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 12:50 PM
0

What makes you think that these people are dominant in bed?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 12:47 PM
0

It is similarly incorrect to apply an Unjust World Fallacy to the same situation. Not everyone doesn't deserve what they receive either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 12:44 PM
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There's skinny, and then there's lean. A skinny guy without muscles would probably lose out to the larger guy just because of physics, but a man who's light and wiry - muscles without much fat - can easily beat up a fatter man who's out of shape. A slim guy with some muscle and not simply scrawny will always be favoured over a fatter guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:40 AM
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It's kind of like light biting. Often it's not so much the sensation as the feeling of someone being so unable to restrain themselves that they tense, bite, or scratch out of passion.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:37 AM
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The vast majority of the world prefers people similar to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:34 AM
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You are just incorrect when you generalize women's views in that way. I know plenty of women who aren't looking for a 'perfect 10 or else' situation. It's just that too many men fit that exact description I laid out - I've seen people on this sub try to justify the very same behaviours. Since when does having a relationship mean crippling debt and 60hr work weeks? Honestly, it's like you people aren't even trying anymore. Why not work that hard for yourselves? I've worked more than 60 hours a we…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:32 AM
2

So many PPD posters will scream 'just world fallacy!' at any attempt to make them reconcile their views of the world with their own shortcomings. I propose that a new explanation is needed for this behaviour: the Unjust World Fallacy - a fallacy which operates by presuming that things which happen to the person are always unjust, and never or rarely a result of the actions or inaction of that person. Discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 03:14 PM
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No, he's not arguing that everyone gets the end they deserve - which is at the core of the 'just world fallacy.'
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 03:09 PM
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You're arguing with yourself when you contrast sex drive with procreational motive. The sex drive is the biological urge to have a child, even though it isn't consciously expressed. That doesn't mean that sex always results in children or that it is the primary reason for engaging in a sexual activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 01:14 PM
0

You think transphobia is bullshit?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:39 PM
0

A lot of men simply are their own problem. Why would women make advances to the men that never smell good, are neither self-sufficient nor self-confident, have no ambition, don't make her feel safe or cared for, supplicate out of weakness/lash out from insecurity, etc? Many men today simply don't go the extra mile for themselves, much less for women. It's no wonder that so many women simply won't put up with it any longer. How many Reddit threads are there with women complaining about how shitti…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:36 PM
1

The argument could be made that even if two people consciously have no desire for children, that doesn't mean that their subconscious urges aren't being directed by the same desires that might result in children were they of a different mindset. Where this question becomes interesting is in homosexual relationships, where similar desires are present for people who could normally never have children with you anyway. But you fall into a logical trap when you attempt to apply moral judgments to wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:22 PM
1

Do you not think that such things can be had outside of marriage? For example: were homosexual couples in the past any less connected mentally, emotionally, or spiritually because they could not marry? I doubt that marriage could ever be considered a physical union, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:12 PM
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What exactly do you suppose 'combat' will actually lead to in the end? Your mealy-mouthing is hardly reassuring. The idea that a few incels and sexless men are the beginnings of the destruction of our society is the most insane and nonsensical theory that this sad corner of the internet has yet devised.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:50 AM
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But how are bisexual men free of these trends when they can be bi and in a heterosexual relationship? Maybe bisexual men are doing something else right?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:48 AM
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Your second edit totally ignores the fact that many bisexual men are in relationships with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:46 AM
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Echoing the other posters, in that I'd be more proud than anything. More often than not, I seem to be the one getting nods and looks because of who I'm with!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 03:13 AM
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I realize that. I'll I'm saying is that a social Darwinian perspective is not necessarily one that advocates for sexual violence. I completely disagree with your characterization of smaller tribes, though. We might be able to find a few modern tribes and villages that operate this way, but historical tribal societies were absolutely not any less hierarchical and competitive over resources. Cooperation on some levels does not imply conflict avoidance - if anything we have always been more bloodth…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 01:35 PM
1

No, under this theory taking anyone by force is something that weaker members have to resort to because they cannot convince someone to tolerate them. That isn't a justification for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 05:33 AM
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Yes, I did answer it. Being self-deprecating to that extent, no matter if it's a sincere belief, is unattractive. The OP backed me up on this - she was turned off by his lack of confidence. How do I not have evidence for low self-esteem? The guy literally said "I can't believe we matched because you're so beautiful." Please tell me how that isn't an inherent statement about being 'lower' than the recipient of that message? Men who act this way think they're being nice and can't understand why it…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 01:08 PM
2

Right, I already said that I disagreed with that 80% figure. But even a 25% figure of all fatalities is a big chunk, and it doesn't encompass all the other ways men could die, infertility rates, being unsuccessful in finding a mate, etc. It's likely higher. My main point is contending with the implication that people in the past were organized into cooperative societies that avoided wars of extermination. There are some anthropologists who believe this, but IMO that theory is based upon shaky ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 12:55 PM
1

That the fact women can have multiple orgasms proves that it "was once quite common" for them to have sex with multiple men over a short period?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 12:41 PM
2

I didn't call him a "pathetic doormat," you did that all by yourself. I said it was slightly pathetic, in the sense of invoking a kind of pathos - you kinda like sorry for the guy. I can't believe I'm making the more "red pilled" argument here, but self-deprecation and lack of self-esteem are supplicating traits that are never a turn-on. You might consider it a nice comment, but look at the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 12:38 PM
1

Definitely because I'm mad, but in a crazy way not an angry way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:04 AM
1

While I don't agree with the 80% 20% theory, humans have always been a violent species. Wars of extermination used to be much commoner, and there is little indication that this is only a 'modern' phenomenon. We can trace this very easily nowadays with things like Y-DNA mapping and see the drop-off in a population (i.e. multiple mtDNA heritages combined with fewer Y-DNA ones). The 'Yamnaya' migrations into Europe, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 11:03 AM
1

Do you have a source for your last claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 10:51 AM
2

Man, this is one messed up conversation, but I'm going to stop you right here and point out that your observations regarding anatomy and female sexual behaviour are just plain weird. Do you have any real evidence, or is this just pseudo-evolutionary speculation?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 10:46 AM
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Yeah, I'm kind of confused as to how this is even an issue. If you want a test, it's easy to get one quietly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 10:39 AM
2

As a man who definitely doesn't fit into either the "Chad" or "beta" narrative, I know exactly what you mean. The hell of it is, they won't see reason. So there's really no point in debating it to the point of aggravation. This sub is mainly perverse entertainment, imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 12:51 AM
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Maybe by not literally telling a woman he's interested in that he's beneath her in his own estimation?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 12:32 AM
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Nice? That's not being nice. That's being a doormat. "I'm surprised we matched... " Really? Are you telling her that she should be surprised too? Why would you think so little of yourself? This is slightly pathetic, honestly. "you're so beautiful." Ok, probably not the worst thing he could have said to a woman, but very trite. If she really is beautiful, how many times do you think she's heard it before? How many times will she hear from you in the future, assuming you end up dating her? It's no…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 12:30 AM
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Because they have to feel better about life somehow, and they refuse to become more attractive in order to gain a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 12:25 AM
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So maybe your premise is incorrect. Have you considered that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 12:23 AM
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It is not circular logic. It's possible, for example, that a woman might feel this same insecurity as a result of past trauma or because she sees little distinction between men and women when it comes to cheating. But she does not. You admitted that she feels this way because of the man's bisexuality - that his sexuality somehow exposes him to greater opportunities to cheat, never mind the question of whether he is, individually, someone predisposed to cheat or someone with greater sexual needs.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 07:39 PM
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If your question is applied to some hypothetical reason, which has not yet been produced, for why women wouldn't want to date a bisexual man that has nothing to do with his bisexuality, then yes - it would be unfair to label that biphobic. The reason you have supplied, however, is not one of these. It is not a stretch to say that the basis for an insecurity regarding a bisexual man's opportunities to cheat project possibilities onto him that are intrinsically tied up to his sexuality. You yourse…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 07:15 PM
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Threesome was found to offend people whose religions forbade the use of imprecise numbering, as the term often became confused with "three-ish" and resulted in several riots, two op-eds from the New York Times, and reports of a spontaneous combustion.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 07:05 PM
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Are we surprised?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 06:52 PM
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It's because they also don't realize, or don't believe, that there are other factors at play for women's attraction. It shatters their previously-held assumptions about how the world should work and how other people think, and it's much easier to just hate the thing that hurts rather than come to grips with why they're alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 06:48 PM
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I did address your question. You stated that you agreed with me when I said: if the reason they don't want to date a man stems from misinformed ideas about the behaviours of bisexuals and that it would be phobic. The very fact of a man's bisexuality is the only basis for reasoning that there would be "double the threat" to the relationship, wouldn't you agree? That is, such a double-threat would not exist were the man straight. Therefore, the insecurity that plagues this no doubt hypothetical wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 06:42 PM
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The idea that a woman isn't going to enough for a man as a result of his bisexuality is the very definition of projection. And lest you think that this 'insecurity' exists apart from the man's bisexuality, ask yourself if it would be present were the man straight. If the answer is no, then it's either phobia or, at the very least, a gross misunderstanding of bisexual men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 06:33 PM
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First you said "women treat bisexual men badly," then you said "they just don't want to date bi men." Given that lead up, I don't think it's unfair and unwarranted to assume that we're discussing a situation wherein a man's bisexuality has some bearing on whether or not a woman wants to date him. The question is: why is that even a topic of discussion, when it would be the exact same thing for her as dating a straight man?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 06:05 PM
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I'm not making a claim. This is what women actually say about bisexual men - that they feel like they won't be enough for him or that they worry about straying as a result of his sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 06:02 PM
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It is not usually due to internal insecurities, but a projection of supposed desires onto bisexual men (i.e. he won't be satisfied with just a woman, bisexual men aren't monogamous, etc). No one is saying that women have to date bisexual men, but if the reason they don't want to date a man stems from misinformed ideas about the behaviours of bisexuals, then it is phobic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 05:23 PM
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Most men have zero issues with bisexual women because they're still an "option" for that man in his head. No one actually should be threatened by them, of course. Being treated badly because of one's sexuality is due to phobia or hatred. Calling it insecurity is obfuscation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 05:04 PM
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I saw a great post about this on either the LGBT or Bisexual subreddit before. Basically, the attraction to men is assumed. Gay men doing their own thing is fine because they aren't competition for the other men over women, and men today are less likely to be paranoid about being called gay. By contrast, lesbians and bisexual women are now perceived as a threat regarding the "supply of females" because when they date women it's increasingly viewed as challenging the male hegemony in attractivene…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 04:34 PM
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Isn't the entire premise of all the frustrated, sexless men today that the women they pursue don't want them? So your solution is that men should stop caring about common decency and bother women whenever it suits their "sexual appetites?" Good god, do you guys ever need therapy...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 04:23 PM
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Of course they don't, because that would be to admit the uncomfortable truth that there are standards and consequences, and that their unsatisfactory results may not be on account of bad people trying to keep them down but instead a reflection of what they themselves are (not) bringing to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 04:08 PM
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I did define 'woman.' I stated that it was a social category (gender identity) defined by roles and behaviors, as distinct from a biological category (sex) which is defined by genetics and genitalia. I also linked to about a dozen studies to back up my point, whereas you have produced bupkis.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 04:05 PM
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Kind of like how you keep misusing the word 'woman' when you mean 'female,' right? Can you prove any of those studies are false? Do you have any studies of your own to show?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 04:02 PM
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It's just an extension of that "I don't need to do/change anything" mentality, where they can't accept that people are telling them where they're at in the dating sphere and instead blame everyone else for their own lack of self-awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 03:51 PM
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A conclusion isn't false simply because it disagrees with your suppositions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 03:48 PM
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You claim you know the difference between sex and gender, yet you still continue to confuse the terms. I refuse to deal with ignorant argument made in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 03:48 PM
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There are many studies linked in the third article I posted. I'd love to see you try claiming that all of them are false.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 02:37 PM
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There is no such thing as a biological woman, because that's like saying 'biological fashion' or 'biological money.' Gender identities are the result of human interaction. I don't agree that a transwoman is any less of a woman than a biological female, no. Men/women are never used of animals, only of humans (because they're human social constructions). Male and female are rightly used to refer to sex categories in all living things. I have already defined what a woman is, you simply refuse to he…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 02:35 PM
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I think it varies for each individual, but I also think that 1) women who aren't looking for casual stuff don't really care about your looks if you suck in other ways, and 2) that most men's understanding of what turns women on in terms of looks is woefully misinformed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 02:29 PM
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Because lots of frustrated men can't seem to understand that looks and personality are not necessarily mutually exclusive or more important than the other, and it's extremely hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 01:54 PM
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I notice that you have yet to produce a single piece of evidence to back up your own assertions. Perhaps that's because you cannot?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 01:51 PM
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Your writing is very convoluted and hard to follow, but I'm going to take a stab at it anyway because it's Thursday. The "conundrum of being a man" is not exactly anyone else's problem but the individual man's. To assert that self-doubt in this area is akin to some kind of deliberate psychological attack on the part of women is not a claim that can be made without presenting any evidence. Furthermore, you seem to misunderstand the idea of "the bar is in hell" or other variations. It is not a jud…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 01:49 PM
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I am aware of a study on some forms of testosterone following a period of acute abstinence (which subsequently tapers off, I might add) but I have yet to find any that suggest masturbation itself can cause lowered testosterone, in terms of baseline measurement.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 01:31 PM
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How is it that you supposedly understand the distinction between gender and sex and are simultaneously unable to apply it to humans? The fact that it has been used in the capacity you claim is not really relevant. Many, if not all, languages have the means to distinguish between gender and sex. 'Woman' and 'man' are social categories of behaviours, roles, and ideals that broadly overlap with the concept of biological sex but do not define it. The difference is that being more manly or womanly is…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 01:21 PM
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This is a true answer, but none of the men here will listen to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 12:58 PM
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Do you have a source for those claims?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 12:47 PM
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Psychic warfare? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 12:37 PM
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The meaning the word has never changed. You just never understood it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 12:31 PM
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No. Sex refers to biological attributes, gender to socially constructed roles and behaviours. https://cihr-irsc.gc.ca/e/48642.html
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 12:29 PM
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Do you understand the difference between gender identity and sex, or are you being deliberately ignorant?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 03:19 AM
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Alternatively, stay for the laughs like some of the rest of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 02:08 AM
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That's just another way to say that trans women aren't real women, which is to confuse the difference between sex and gender and indicates a very ignorant understanding of these two things. The term you're looking for is biological females, and even that carries certain assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 01:24 AM
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I do not. I lifted weights for a few years in my 20s, never stuff myself, and maintain a naturally high metabolism. It's not some unattainable perfection.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 01:03 AM
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Unless you talked about personal details, I'm not sure that it would? Or maybe if someone recognized your voice (which means they're also on this sub).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 11:03 PM
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Dude, I have an 10" drop from shoulders to waist, 10% bodyfat, and a sharp jawline, and all I do is eat when I'm hungry and some calisthenics every now and then. It isn't that hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 11:02 PM
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When I responded to your comment before the ninja-edit it was articleless, so perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to insult. Nothing in that article was definitive in terms of explaining a lack of interest in sex specifically. The conclusion even re-iterated the possibility that some women simply desire novelty and that sex with their men isn't as appealing anymore. That strengthens my point of view, not yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 10:59 PM
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Weren't you complaining in another thread that the man doing this is prostituting himself? Why should a woman owe sex to a man just because he's paying bills? It's up to both partners to keep sexy time alive, and part of that includes remaining someone you'd actually want to get freaky with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 10:51 PM
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Often that "dehumanization" is in the other person's head.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 10:46 PM
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This is the correct answer. People can have whatever (legal) preferences they want, so long as everything is consensual. We really shouldn't be trying to police what people are attracted to at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 10:45 PM
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With voice or text?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 10:43 PM
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It's just fear-mongering. Pork isn't my favourite meat since regular chops and things are a little on the dry side, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with eating it, religious precepts notwithstanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 10:42 PM
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Hang on, since when is a 25 year old not an adult?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 10:39 PM
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Not sure if I make the Reddit-short cutoff (5'8"), but I'd take 5'7" with full hair any day.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 10:37 PM
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Ah, so please point me to this so-called research that specifically states that women lose interest in sex as the relationship progresses. Not in having sex with their partners, but sex itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 10:26 PM
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You can say whatever little thing comes to that mind of yours, buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 10:24 PM
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When did I ever claim expertise? Women don't just magically lose their sex drive, barring hormonal changes, just as men do not. What does happen a lot is so-called "dead bedrooms," and a very common complaint from men in those situations is that their girlfriends aren't interested in sex. From women, it's that their boyfriends don't turn them on anymore/are no longer appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 10:22 PM
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Oh really? Please tell me more about public decency and how we might define such a wondrous concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 09:11 PM
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If they were more satisfactory males, they wouldn't have to resort to cowardly methods of getting women. Small dick energy, I said. I don't want to see pictures of his - even if you have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 09:07 PM
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It's a strange new world in which we live. I'm hoarding books while I still can.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 08:33 PM
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Nope, just an energy I read off the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 08:25 PM
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Pedantry is for minor details. I'd never waste it on something so boring as a completely different word.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 08:07 PM
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Oh boy, do we ever have linguistic disagreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 08:05 PM
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And not in a 'translucent, sort of marble statuesque' kind of way, but more like 'I am suffering from vital nutrient deficiency.'
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 07:50 PM
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Why do you want women to rate trolls? Are these what PPD considers average men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 07:48 PM
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makes you... nauseous I don't know. Were other people around you struck with illness?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 07:43 PM
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No, Homo Sapiens (us) was a far more intelligent animal overall, and that intelligence difference contributed to Neanderthal's eventual extinction: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/science-shows-why-youre-smarter-than-a-neanderthal-1885827/
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 07:38 PM
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How are any of the things you're listing "messed up perceptions?" Unless you're balding or have a health condition, all of those should be attainable for the average man. Now, the degree to which they can be attained will vary, but the expectation that men have broader shoulders than waist, athletic body, leaner face, etc., is not an unrealistic one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 07:23 PM
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Isn't he just some boxer dude with a tiny dick and issues with women/the law? Who tf cares about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 07:09 PM
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Are you trying to say that being trans or non-binary is some kind of political statement or lifestyle choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 07:08 PM
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Yes, strive to be more masculine, men! Be deathly afraid of doing anything that might appear feminine to someone else, because a real man cares deeply about what absolute strangers think of his gender expressions and cowers from the 'neener-neeners' of other macho men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 07:02 PM
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I don't really care what actions you want to take. My point is that male promiscuity has a bearing on your choices, and it's not true that it isn't a problem for other men. Take your example: how are you going to choose that girl? You have to take into account her willingness or not to "give in" to other men's desires, no? How is that not saying just as much about male thirst as it does about that girl's characteristics?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 05:20 PM
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Well, that's why I don't force things. I'd only want to start a relationship if I felt like it was easy with that person. We have to have that connection beforehand, or it won't really happen. Look, I'm not saying that casual stuff is pointless. I'm just making the case for there being more to relationships than simply sex+drama. It's a lot of trial and error sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 05:17 PM
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Sounds like you have a big problem there, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:59 PM
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If you're a man who doesn't make that much, wouldn't you want to weed out those kinds of women who only care about what you can provide to them in resources? There are other women who don't mind dating someone who makes the same as they do. Of course that's a better scenario than having to trade money for the same thing, so why would anyone ever try? But what actually occurs is that modern men line up in droves to do it. They even have the the temerity to claim that "men who can't provide are le…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:57 PM
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Worthwhile, to me, is a situation where you're with someone and you both have mutual affection and admiration for each other, are both attracted to each other, and share an emotional and intellectual bond. If all I want is to get off, I can use a hand for that. It might surprise you to know that I'm a man, but I don't go around looking for anyone, man or woman, to appease me or my desires. I simply go after what I want in life and it's a bonus if someone's along for the ride.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:51 PM
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Actually, it is. Because the women you fret over will (mostly) cheat with other men, so those men's thirstiness is part of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:41 PM
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Yes, but not in all relationships. Can you at least try to see things without the lens of caricature sometimes?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:38 PM
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What does anything that you just wrote have to do with whether or not a woman can pay her own bills?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:37 PM
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I'm a man, so it's men blaming men too. Some of you people need to wake up and smell the coffee beans.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:34 PM
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Sounds like you didn't have very healthy relationships. I'm sorry that was the case, but it doesn't mean that no relationships are worth it. I'm not someone who only cares about sex, so casual flings are fairly pointless to me. I've turned down many of them because I saw nothing worthwhile in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:33 PM
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"husband nutting in them deep every night" Are you serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:29 PM
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Y'all complain about your inabilities to get hard "because of porn," and yet you're talking like the advertisement for a third-rate short reel from India.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 02:47 PM
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That's total bullcrap. Women can orgasm from both penetration and rubbing, just like men can orgasm from their penis and their prostate. The inability of some men to provide that satisfaction has nothing whatever to do with whether it's possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 02:42 PM
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Did women adopt a pantheon?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 02:36 PM
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Maybe people who feel that way should stop trying to date girls who need so much money and resources and try to date women who can stand on their own two feet. Ever consider that?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 02:29 PM
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This is precisely what I posted about in the Daily Chat thread. You guys (the ones making this argument) don't care to be desired at the level you end up at, but instead wish to live in some alternate reality wherein you don't have to put in significant effort and women will still value you as much as you admire your own self. Being insecure about a scenario that is 100% your problem is fine, but it's also not the fault of the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 02:24 PM
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No, they lose interest in many men as the relationship progresses, not sex. And that's not due to the relationship, but because of the men (mostly).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 02:19 PM
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What exactly do we men get out of casual flings that we couldn't get just as well out of a relationship? Or do you mean something like "the most with minimal effort?" Because then it sounds like you think sex is the pinnacle of what men can hope for from others.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 02:17 PM
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Love, companionship, affection, and mutual support are all different in a relationship vs between friends. If you've never experienced any of that with an intimate partner before, then it's no wonder you value casual hookups more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 02:13 PM
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And when you tell them "I'm a corporate banker at X company," they think you're a creep because they were asking about your workout routine.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 01:22 PM
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It's very practical, actually. It never goes rancid, eliminates the need to salt the steak, and works well with any kind of sauteed meat. Less smoke than both olive oil and butter, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:32 AM
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With steak you don't want it to overcook and lose all the juices, but you do want the fat and white bits to break down somewhat so that it gets tender. It's a delicate balance. Nothing more than medium-rare, as a general rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 03:36 AM
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Avocado has a higher smoke point than olive oil, so I imagine not. But bacon fat is the best one to use for this job.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 03:12 AM
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The ability to acquire resources without slaving away has been one of the defining features of superior masculinity, too. The very fact of a man's working hard and getting paid is woefully insufficient, as any casual glance through dating results can prove. People don't really care if you have a decent job if you're not measuring up in lots of other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 03:07 AM
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My dude, are you even in a relationship right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 02:51 AM
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Ha! People on this sub can't read. Everyone knows that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 02:49 AM
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His Parents (Ltd.) might have been distributors, depending on the season and product line. It's faster and easier to call the help line at: 1-800-MR-STORK and get directed to the proper source.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 02:44 AM
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Who told you this?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 02:33 AM
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Miss, this is a department store. Have you called the manufacturer?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 02:24 AM
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What does your eyeball feel like?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 01:54 AM
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But how does that jive with a situation where the man is making less, but is still married? Again, the whole household would be taking a paycut if he decided he had to be the sole earner. I suppose that a 'woman's duty' is to stay at home and raise children instead of getting an education and having children later, right? I hope you realize that that isn't a natural law, but simply a class-based take on familial roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 01:29 AM
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Since when did working some corporate job, or the level of one's salary, define a man's masculinity? How is it any less masculine to raise a son at home if your wife earns more anyway? You'd really expect their family to live on less simply to satisfy some dude's ego?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 01:14 AM
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I've met god. She's a very liberal woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 08:30 PM
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Are poor people being 'selected' for poordom by others? Or are they simply there because of circumstances outside of their control or bad choices? Your analogy is bad because relationships are not like financial circumstances. It isn't sexist reasoning, it's understanding different scales of average. If the average from 1-5 is 3 but the average from 3-6 is 4.5, you can't tell me that those two numbers deserve to exist in the same plane "because they're average." What you fail to realize is that …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 08:28 PM
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They deserve to be desired at the level where they end up, no more and no less. If the average woman doesn't want the average man, perhaps that's because the average man sucks. I'm not upset at men who want something better for themselves either - I'm merely amused at the ones who think they're entitled to it when that's clearly not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 08:18 PM
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No, that would be because of all the evidence I have at my disposal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 08:13 PM
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Ah yes, this old argument. I remember that I was going to make a post refuting such false assertions regarding sex drives, but I got caught up in actual real-life BS, so I never did. Remind me to get around to it tonight. Regardless, this (again) has nothing to do with the relative judgements placed upon men and women's promiscuity. Greater and more frequent efforts to gain attention are not the same as being successful in those efforts, and placing moral condemnation on women simply because of …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 08:09 PM
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Your scenario actually has nothing to do with sex drives, though, but rather a moral observation placed upon the ability to gain vs the willingness to indulge. It might even be extended to a jealous view of many women's inherent ability to gain vs many men's inherent lack of ability to indulge. It's a form of sexual Puritanism, and not at all a universal theme.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 08:02 PM
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I'll agree that one kind of sex isn't the only way, and people should absolutely know/learn more about clitoral stimulation. I just disagree with the notion that PIV orgasms are rare due to some fluke of female anatomy or some fault on the part of women in particular. More often than not, PIV orgasms are possible but not reached, and the onus is on the man in that case to ensure he knows enough about other things to get the woman off properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 07:57 PM
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They don't want women to love them at the level they deserve, they want to live in another reality wherein they are more desired. Unfortunately for them, they don't currently have the ability to influence other people's preferences. So there are really only two natural choices: improve somehow or give up entirely. Those complaints are the result of trying to find a third way. That and downvotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 07:49 PM
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Goddamn, this place is worse and funnier than I remembered.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 07:39 PM
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I understand that there is scientific debate about where the g-spot lines up with the clitourethrovaginal complex, but the idea that the g-spot is only an extension of the clitoris is hardly settled fact. Women who have g-spot orgasms also report a difference in feeling between those and clitoral orgasms. So no, I'm not convinced. What this seems to come down to, like a lot of other things, is the inability of many men to satisfy their lovers rather than a faulty expectation on the part of women…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 07:36 PM
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As I suspected, not a single peer-reviewed, scientific study. Just a bunch of opinion pieces and jumping to correlated conclusions. Studies that indicate a dopamine response to the brain when watching porn are not surprising: you have a dopamine response when doing anything pleasurable. That hardly means that all pleasurable activities are highly addicting and ruining your relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 07:14 PM
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So you believe that the only way a woman can orgasm is through clitoral stimulation? I have to disagree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 07:08 PM
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What absolute nonsense. Can you show me a single peer-reviewed and reputable study that confirms your theory? Or perhaps you're a researcher with original findings? By that "logic," the vast majority of humanity is voyeuristic. If that's so, turning "the sexual act into an act of voyeurism" is hardly the damning observation you expect it to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 06:34 PM
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The reason it isn't the norm has nothing to do with the woman and everything to do with the man. Hitting the g-spot is different from clitoral stimulation and (surprise surprise!) is easier with a larger penis. Guess what most men lack?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 06:31 PM
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One of my favourite excuses they try to trot out in response to this is that women are simply taking advantage of these 'poor men' who are doomed by their biological urges to throw themselves at every woman they see or perish. It's an excuse I'll take great joy refuting in a new thread I'm posting shortly (either later today or tomorrow).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 10:49 PM
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I realize this is a sex/gender/relationships sub, but my god, man... I don't need to hear about the details with your wife. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if you don't accept the expertise of a professor, you're probably not going to believe any evidence anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 08:39 PM
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I'll address these points later when I make the big post, but for now I'll just say that I'm more inclined to trust the opinion of associate professors and the results of scientific studies than the anecdotal experiences of four random women, whose increased sex drives may or may not have anything to do with testosterone therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 07:58 PM
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It really isn't. It's a lack of self-control and self-respect, not biology, that precipitates men into their current thinking surrounding their own sexuality. The idea that men need sex more than women, or that men are forced by biological urges into certain behavioural patterns because of their higher sex drive instead of societal factors, is scientific gibberish.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 05:45 PM
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...without disrupting the status quo (is how your sentence should have ended).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 05:37 PM
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I'm planning on making a main-page post on this topic. This is just a teaser.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 05:31 PM
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That is such a sad, pathetic story, but at least it's also a good lesson.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 05:24 PM
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This is supposed to be advice that worked, right? Well, it's worked for me. To this day I still don't go out of my way to get women to like me - they either want to be with me or they don't. And my relationships are always meaningful. So I guess it isn't such 'shit advice' after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 05:19 PM
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Sexual desire can be operationalized as the motivation to seek out solitary or partnered sexual experiences. A large body of evidence suggests that men experience sexual desire more strongly and more frequently than do women; however, it is not clear whether sexual desire is truly gendered or if gender differences are influenced by how sexual desire is operationalized and assessed... ...We conclude that sexual desire emerges similarly in women and men and that other factors may influence the obs…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 05:14 PM
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Whoops. Carry on, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:47 PM
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I didn't find the exact meme, I think, but that's my point. If they think calling someone 'vain' is a bad thing, it's because they think the quality of vanity is bad. I dispute that idea. I think vanity is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:31 PM
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I'm confused. Are they trying to say that vanity is a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:24 PM
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Is it wrong? No, of course not. Is it an over-reaction? Possibly, IMO, and I think that goes for the man too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:22 PM
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They're truth-seekers on the scientific frontier of human relationships, SuspiciousArdvark. They can't possibly fit into the categories they describe.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:19 PM
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I think that depends on the man. As for hormone levels/performance, that's more a matter of lifestyle than age (until you're talking about old age, anyway): https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110607121129.htm A 10 year gap used to be very normal, and it still isn't unheard of today. I've known plenty of women who have either dated someone that much older or been open to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:17 PM
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Surge week?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:06 PM
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lol nice try, but the amount of men who would fuck basically anyone is much larger than the amount of women who'd do the same. In modern times, we men are pretty pathetic on the self-respect front.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:05 PM
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I'd say it would depend on whether that last guy looks 39 or not. If she only finds the 33 year old attractive, then yes obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:02 PM
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As far as I know, they discount personality entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 02:01 PM
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The tiny amounts of people doing stuff like this are obviously not what this discussion is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:59 PM
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Unless you pry their personal history from them, everyone is Schrodinger's Virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:56 PM
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I take your point, but isn't that more a question of usage than the concepts themselves, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:50 PM
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I was thinking something more like buying a round of drinks for a table. A small gesture, but even that is impossible to do without the means.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:48 PM
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How is it that an entire horde of people supposedly devoted to logic and 'the true nature' of people's psyches still cannot wrap their minds around the idea that both looks and personality are necessary to make up an ideal partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:44 PM
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Don't you dare scare them away. They're my favourite!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:35 PM
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Not to a grammarian, it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 04:00 AM
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A reverse-arsonist, perhaps?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 04:00 AM
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Men on ppd are not a monolith. Oh, the ironing!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 03:59 AM
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Apparently I'm a Chad Chad. Probably got a lot of points on the gaming stuff (don't do it/know it) and physique parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 03:41 AM
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What makes you think I don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 03:25 AM
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Yes and yes. This isn't even in question in modern day law.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 03:14 AM
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Ah, so what you mean is that niceness, being easy to perform, is not that effective of a signal because possible for the vast majority. What would you say about a trait like generosity, which is not something that everyone is in a position to perform, or to perform well, but often overlaps with kindness?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 03:13 AM
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With the exception of your last example (women being a gender identity and female being a sex category), I tend to agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 03:06 AM
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Never said I was nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:35 AM
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I'm going to have to digest this post for a while and come back to it, haha!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:35 AM
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This is the kind of distinction that seems to exist in my mind, too. Do you think it's more of a genuine vs inauthentic distinction instead of their being different traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:33 AM
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Interesting. I hadn't thought of it from this perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:30 AM
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I like your first distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:28 AM
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I find this interesting, but can you explain what you mean by 'effective signal' in economics? I'm entirely ignorant of the field.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:17 AM
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Orthodox Christians, no less.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:07 PM
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But I was told I only had to act like a tough asshole! Something, something... muh hentitlements... something...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:56 PM
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Probably much more so than lifting weights. Definitely, in the case of competitive athletics.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:49 PM
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Ah, I see. Just transphobia then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:42 PM
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I actually agree, and would add what u/AstronautLoveShack said as well. If that were a real boundary, you'd have every right to maintain it and your partner would have to put up with it or end things. It's ironic that you bring that up, though, since I'm probably not as hung up on 'monogamous LTRs' as you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:19 PM
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Wouldn't it only be changing yourself if you already had ideas about how a partner ought to behave? My own view is that a partner should be the same as I on all the important things, but their own habits and style is something very personal. I'd hate it if someone tried to change that about me, so I wouldn't want to do it to them. The two questions I'd ask in this situation would be 1) did I know about these habits prior to getting involved, and 2) is it a dealbreaker? If I cannot answer 'no and…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:15 PM
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"Never try very hard - if it's meant to be, it should be easy." From a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:50 PM
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This is exactly what I've been saying for a while now. Men need to be more discerning and have higher standards for themselves. But no, instead tons of guys on this sub will insist that it isn't their fault because men are driven by their animal natures to have as much sex with as many people as possible, and blah, blah, blah. It's just excuse after bloody excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:28 PM
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Please, OP, listen to this poster. Save yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:25 PM
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Pop
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:23 PM
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I mean, beyond a base level of politeness... you don't. Nobody does unless they agree to owe something or are forced to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:22 PM
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I can see how that applies to certain things within the relationship, but I think that insecurities are not often relevant to those discussions. It's far healthier, in my view, to compromise by accepting each other's quirks and habits rather than trying to change them for both parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:17 PM
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Oh, I see. That makes more sense. I think I'd still choose a good-looking girl, in that case. Not because I care so much about looks, but because I don't care quite so much about money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:09 PM
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Maybe not, I just thought it was interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:07 PM
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This is a fallacy of equivocation. The 'insecurity' of a rope bridge is not the same type of 'insecurity' meant of human relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:06 PM
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I was today years old when I discovered that a single paper written 20 years ago constituted the whole field of psychology. Who knew!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:04 PM
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Making their own decisions about what to wear when they go out, for example. Maybe I wouldn't like it either, but I also wouldn't ask my a woman to change whatever she liked to do. I'd probably just never partner with someone whose lifestyle differed from mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:02 PM
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It's certainly a stupider one, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:00 PM
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It used to be our society, not that long ago (historically speaking). Both men and women who never married and just slept around were shamed - women more so than men, but the social image of a 'rake' or 'permanent bachelor' wasn't a pleasant one. If it happened at all, it was kept private.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 08:59 PM
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That's the whole point. Her going out half naked is a personal boundary, for her. Nobody has any right to tell other people how to dress (except for professional settings). If people can't handle their partners being independent, they're probably not mature enough for serious relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 08:53 PM
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The best way for a woman to lock down a good partner is with a six-inch thick steel doorframe, welded in place, and an iron crossbar. The best way for men to get more access to sex is to make sex more accessible by eliminating physical barriers like underwear and pants from men's bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 07:49 PM
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Chemistry is that feeling where you can sit across a table from someone and just look at each other and not have to say a word, but you can both tell what the other is thinking/feeling and you're both happy like that. It's the closest thing to a true 'love' feeling that exists. And of course it requires physical attraction to happen in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 07:37 PM
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Yet another reason I only date/converse in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 07:30 PM
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Stand-up comedians are such dweebs too. Like that kid who sticks out his tongue at you (dumb takes) and then runs behind his mommy's skirts ("it's just entertainment, bro").
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 07:26 PM
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I'm not bothered by women going topless, and they should be able to if they want. I see so many disgusting man-boobs and bad upper body tans every summer anyway. Now that's public indecency.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 07:21 PM
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I've always said that it doesn't matter to me what two consenting adults decide to do, so I never got the age argument thing. If you can date 25 year-olds at 50 or whatever, more power to you because most cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 07:14 PM
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The word 'spontaneous' does not mean 'higher.' It means occurring without premeditation or external stimulus. A spontaneous sex drive isn't even properly measured by visual stimuli, as you try to argue, but is instead more akin to 'getting a random boner.' Here's an article talking about it more: https://www.thecut.com/2018/04/the-misunderstood-science-of-sexual-desire.html It is positively mediaeval to assert that women are some kind of non-sexual entities that simply react to men's greater sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 07:10 PM
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At this point, it's just like 'queer' in the LGBT community. It's so reclaimed that it might as well be a reverse-insult back at the idiot who uttered it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 06:55 PM
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Why the hell do all of you care about a dumbo-eared boxer so much? Is this some kind of meta-trolling thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 06:45 PM
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I already linked those sources to you in another discussion. A spontaneous sex drive is simply an expression of male libido, not an accurate measurement of a female one. The fact that this paper specifically qualifies their measurement of sex drive in terms of 'strength of sexual motivation' means that it cannot be used as a source for judging women's libido levels. And if you actually understood what the study's terminology states, you'd understand that the authors don't do that either. TL;DR: …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 06:42 PM
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Income doesn't really matter to me unless there are other things attached, so the good-looking girl of course. The high income girl would be my choice if she also a good education, ambition, social network, etc. She can't just be rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 06:35 PM
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20 year-old paper, confuses spontaneous with responsive sex drive, and rather pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 06:34 PM
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LOL see, butthurt downvoters? This is what I'm talking about. Some guys are just plain bad at social interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 06:30 PM
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I know. I was agreeing with you about your friend. Neither of us get to determine how people react if we ask them out. We are the ones who are bothering them, not the reverse. If you shove a bunch of roses in my face and then pout when I get annoyed, that's a you problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 06:25 PM
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An excellent example, seeing as quantum physics textbooks don't rely on Newtonian concepts. There's an example of how the field of science advances - theories and rules are relied upon until they are disproven or tweaked, and there's a lot more turnover in the sciences in that regard. I don't have to provide a source for this. No, sex drive and the expression of libido are not the same thing. I'm not going to spend my day explaining the difference between spontaneous and responsive sexual desire…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 06:17 PM
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That's a double standard, for sure, but I'm not advocating for that at all. I think anyone has a right to complain about weird approaches, whether by man or woman. The fact that I'm getting downvoted for such an opinion is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 06:12 PM
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Fields of science and psychology don't always perfectly overlap. A study that is 20 years old in a science field might as well be 2000 years old. It's clear from more recent studies on the role of hormones in the body that men and women's sex drives operate differently. Thus it would be unsurprising to find that a meta-analysis of sexual desire focused on a spontaneous expression of libido would find that men's expression of those desires are stronger, because it doesn't take into account respon…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 05:03 PM
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Your study is from 2001. You think that because a 20+ year old study didn't find anything that it's set in stone forever?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 04:52 PM
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Are you trying to say 'trans women' or 'some women?'
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 04:42 PM
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https://www.dovepress.com/has-testosterone-passed--the-test-in-premenopausal-women-with-low-libi-peer-reviewed-fulltext-article-IJWH https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2394562/ The role between testosterone and women's sex drives isn't confirmed, and the way your study looks at sexual desire is from a spontaneous perspective. Of course men are going to exhibit more spontaneous sexual desire, because men and women express libido differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 04:38 PM
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lol As a man who's been asked out by women but never with a pick up line, I'd probably give you a chance in real life too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 04:25 PM
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Uh, sorry buddy... they do have a right to complain. As a guy, I've seen plenty of cringe-worthy, socially awkward, and just completely odd approaches by men in my lifetime. Everyone who is approached has a right to complain about that approach if it's creepy or cheesy. I've been politely turned down by women before too, but never had anyone have a problem with my approaches because I have a modicum of social awareness. A lot of these other approaches do not, including the friend you mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 04:23 PM
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I've only ever seen that argument being made by men on this sub, because they believe that testosterone = sex drive. Reality say: "nuh-uh!"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 04:18 PM
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Honest Q4W: a fair proportion of the men on this sub seem to believe that you are lying about your dating preferences no matter what you say. Does that fact make you more or less likely to engage in civil debate vs treating PPD as an entertainment source?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 04:14 PM
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Hmm. I suppose this is where my understanding of satire diverges in a way. I'm of the opinion that critique or parody is not always good satire. It should be humorous and ironic. A lot of what passes for satire in modern journalism, for instance, is really just spite. I'd call that Netflix film a critique more than a satire, definitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:28 PM
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I make a better looking girl than you, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:00 PM
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Sure, you can't just fully trust someone right off the bat, but I believe that this list is of initial red flags for the most part. As in, red flag that she has lots of male friends in general, not only if she also lacks self-control.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:55 PM
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What kind of satire do you think is too subtle? I'm just trying to picture a situation in which I wouldn't recognize that the satire is just that, and take it too seriously. If it's mistaken for serious critique then it's definitely less entertaining, for one thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:46 PM
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Ok, perhaps that's reasonable. I still think it's an underlying trust issue on the part of concerned partner, though. The inescapable conclusion is that they either don't trust that their partner isn't keeping them around as options, or - and this one's my favourite - they believe their partner but think that their underlying nature will inevitably compel them to succumb to base desires (sounds so spicy and religious!).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:42 PM
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I think we have different ideas of satire. Do they mean stand-up comedy or live satire of some kind? Written satire is much cleverer, and often deeper than it seems at first glance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:17 PM
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I'm pretty sure this \^ is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:15 PM
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I exist in a state of perpetual gorgeousness, punctuated only by fleeting moments of self-doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:12 PM
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Mods, some kind of repost bot has a crush on our sub. One year ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/on9ukv/is_the_rise_of_women_in_education_and/ Today: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/w2mfsb/is_the_rise_of_women_in_education_and/
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:08 PM
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Not the first one this week either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:07 PM
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"Before I talk to you... did you read ALL of the commandments?? Like, all of them? You're not just taking one OuT oF cOnTeXt?"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 01:55 PM
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Kind of like the leather jacket of the face. I can see that... and not just because I have my frames on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 01:50 PM
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Would it be a red flag if you had mostly female friends, in that case? I struggle to understand why that should be so for either partner. The real problem is an issue of trust either way - you have to trust that her friends are genuine just like she has to trust that yours are. For example, I have mostly female friends but not by design. In fact, it just so happens that women have been the ones who have kept in contact while most of my male friends just kind of faded off and did their own thing …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 01:49 PM
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No, of course not. All women are just one giant bundle of pussy and nagging, how silly of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 04:37 AM
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A lot of women aren't put off by glasses, from what I've heard, as long as the wearer is fairly good looking already. If you have the smarts to back them up, it just adds to the personality. Glasses don't necessarily obscure the eyes, btw. It all depends on the strength of the prescription. Frames also have the advantage of being able to flatter your face with different shapes, styles, materials, etc., an advantage that contacts lack. Save some time and go to a place that sells expensive frames …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:48 AM
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Oh, I don't know... companionship, support, finances, talent, wisdom, whatever else you can find in a quality person?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:42 AM
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I love it when you talk dirty to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:33 AM
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Sure, I don't think we're going to change each others' minds, nor am I really trying to. I'm slightly skeptical of the idea of demisexuals, but I understand the idea that some people might take time to develop attraction. I don't know if I'd say that one is better than the other. What I mean is that I have had women attracted to me before that I wouldn't want to pursue a relationship with because we were incompatible in other ways (doesn't mean I wouldn't pursue something casual though). I think…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 01:22 AM
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I'm not saying no one can accomplish anything, or that you can't build a better life for yourself - obviously not. What I mean is that none of it will affect your social status. You're obviously in a much better position in your life than you started, and of course that's commendable, but we can only be what we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 11:58 PM
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Personally, I'm not convinced it's a political thing. I think it's just a holdover from the 80s/90s/early 2000s when everyone wanted to imitate the sporty, campy, outdoorsy set who could dress down whenever they liked and go travelling. It's also, IMO, the source of the current craze for travels as a proxy for wealth and status. I'd say that mainstream fashions are about 20 years behind what they try to copy. In the next few years, we're going to see a big shift from the current, and I don't thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 11:56 PM
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It's very pronounced in clothing too, especially accessories. Back in the day you'd see very masculine, Hollywood actors wearing silk scarves, having meticulous hair quiffs, getting manicures off set, etc. None of these men were any less masculine for that, it was just different standards (men were better dressed too).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 11:06 PM
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I don't think everything will become unisex, as people will be comfortable expressing themselves in different ways and some of those ways are usual, but the popularity of many things will increase for men soon. Some unisex options are already more popular than their gendered counterparts (perfumes, for example). I think we'll start to see a shift in men's style too as things considered feminine today (but which were previously unisex) will make a resurgence. To be honest, I think a lot of our mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:50 PM
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Yes, I agree. It's mainly about how it's used rather than the thing itself. Some things are basically the same either way (concealer, perfume) but others would require different approaches to highlight masculine properties (clothing, hairstyles).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:44 PM
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Some of them, maybe, but so many are just complete nonsense. Number 7, for example: how is asking someone what they honestly think of your looks a questionable thing? Number 18 contradicts number 9 directly - so he can have female friends, but she can't have male ones? Number 21 is just completely bizarre and fucked up, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:39 PM
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I'm not RP, so I don't have any problem with accomplished, educated, or otherwise successful women. In fact, I prefer that they are because I want someone on my level.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:34 PM
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This list is rank insanity. Half of these things could be exaggeratedly applied to almost any woman, depending on how pissy the man wanted to get (and he does indeed sound pissy).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:30 PM
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UMC applies to professions like lawyers, doctors, etc. It isn't a monetary category. It's not really a matter of snobbery, but a social hierarchy. Whether we like it or not, we are all slotted into our groups from the day we're born until we die. There's no point in disagreeing with something as immutable as class any more than ethnicity or eye colour.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:16 PM
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There is clearly an ideological premise underlying your line of questioning, so why ask it when you know what the answers will be?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:11 PM
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It's a twisted version of that platitude 'be yourself.' Except instead of deciding not to line up at the clown store because they feel they shouldn't demean themselves solely for the hope of human companionship, they take it to the extremity of refusing to do anything at all and lashing out at those who whose preferences don't line up with their 'being themselves.'
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:10 PM
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Yes, there is a difference. Even if you argue that an infant shouldn't be considered a human being yet, the fact is that a fetus isn't a living thing at all. There is definitely a moral difference between killing a living thing and a clump of cells.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:04 PM
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If they stood in they would implode. I don't think avoiding this is too much to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:56 PM
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CMV: monogamy, in terms of its modern conception, is something that should be earned and not granted as a default to just anyone. In other words, only the best options should even have it on the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:53 PM
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There are a lot of other options besides the travelling nomads, I think. I can fall in love with one of those instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 06:49 PM
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Oh I know, it was a joke. I was imagining some bearish look-a-like haha I'm one of those guys who actually looks good with a bit of stubble, as do the rest of the men in my family, but I vastly prefer the look of myself clean shaven and it suits my style more anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 06:19 PM
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The problem is that there isn't some universal average, where if you hit a certain level you can date literally everyone near that point. 'Average' is more accurately the average of your social group, status group, and type range. You could be very attractive and still be average for the type of people you want to date. This is why charts and stats that talk about averages across a given country are misleading, because it means nothing without knowing where you end up across those three categori…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 06:16 PM
1

This guy looks pretty hairy. What's your type unshaven?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 06:11 PM
2

I see the Chinese bots have invaded even this small corner of the internets.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 06:09 PM
1

Not just women. I'd say 'nope,' absolutely. Unless she was willing to split her time somehow - half a year abroad and half back at home, say - it would never work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 06:01 PM
1

I do the same with women, tbh. Travelling for a trip, sure, but permanent relocation and travel isn't for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 06:00 PM
1

Your misguided obsession over perceived victimization is none of my concern. I already stated that it would apply either way. Perhaps a walk outside would be helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:53 PM
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I'd have the same judgment too for a woman, as long as the situation was the same. Of course it's all dependent on the woman's desires. No one can simply 'convince' their friend to be attracted to them, it has to be reciprocal. So of course it's going to be a clumsy move if the man misread that attraction, no matter how smooth he tries to make it. And it's the same with women, or it would be if they ever initiated anything like that. I have personal experience turning down people I felt no attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 05:22 PM
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Not the scrawny potheads I've seen, they don't. Maybe your area is rife with other specimens.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:58 PM
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Of course it's necessary, but there are a lot of relationships that develop sexual attraction afterwards, not as a first step. I don't agree that pure lust necessarily has to come first. Personally, I'm not trying to see how quickly I can develop a relationship with someone I'm just getting to know. There's a big difference, in my mind, between sexual attraction and 'wanting to spend time with you.' A woman who's sexually attracted to me isn't always the ideal makings of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:06 PM
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Selling illegal drugs of whatever kind doesn't exactly invite the cream of the crop into your bed. And before anyone starts with 'but lots of people take drugs lol,' realize that there's a different between trying something and sleeping with its source.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:04 PM
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It was just a shot in the dark. But your edit misses the point of the 'take.' What clearly happened when a response like that is given is that the guy wants a relationship/whatever, whereas the woman is used to thinking of him as a friend. Introducing a sexual element into a friendship out of the blue (from her perspective) is repulsive. The couples that start as friends develop mutual attraction, together. Big difference between that and a clumsy move.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 04:02 PM
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Why? Because you think men and women can't be friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:23 PM
1

Yep, he clearly didn't make a perfect checklist. Red flag!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:22 PM
1

In my area, we were told that our options in this kind of scenario were either to wear masks while having sex or to seek glory holes. I wish I were making that up!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:21 PM
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No, but the scene has. My parents are boomers and they never really dated anyone before each other. Met in their early 20s, got married a few months later, and have been together ever since. That sort of thing is rare now. I'll say this: the 'advice' I've heard from my dad on the topic has always been outdated and completely laughable. My mom, on the other hand, is much more pragmatic. So that's an interesting dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:15 PM
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I guess if you want to bang meth heads and possibly go to prison, yeah. Not sure that's what OP meant though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:11 PM
2

So you don't believe that someone can develop a connection without first having a raw sexual attraction to another person? This is why women say we're all led by our dicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 03:07 PM
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What has changed: the dating scene and all its constituent parts What has stayed the same: dad jokes
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:58 PM
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My point was that most of those 'entrepreneur' types are permanently broke, always scheming up the next big thing, often not even sleeping in their own bed. It's not exactly a melty moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:45 PM
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Artist, musician, teacher, academic The first two because they're both creative fields with a focus on aesthetic beauty and make up for lack of financial success with romantic potential (career-wise). The latter two because teaching is a thing somehow? I was never really sure about that one... but having some inherent authority over people, perhaps being an outside consultant for important affairs, having a public sector job and access to networks/benefits, contributing to a field of knowledge, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:42 PM
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That doesn't make women melt...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:36 PM
1

women
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:33 PM
2

What do you mean by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:29 PM
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Whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:28 PM
2

I know a very hot woman who said she considered sleeping with an ugly guy (physically and ethically) after he pulled out a roll of hundreds to pay for something. I never felt my estimation for someone drop so quickly before.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 12:58 AM
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Right? People who want to meddle in the choices of others are the problem, not whatever anyone chooses to do with their own bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 12:56 AM
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I find it amusing to know that no matter how many people complain about their treatment on this sub, somewhere there's always a guy just begging for the same experience. "Oh yes you big, bad feminist! Whip me harder!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 12:35 AM
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Then wear a paper bag over your head and nothing else. But seriously, have a fun birthday!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 12:17 AM
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The same? Some women have always been that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 12:16 AM
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Perhaps I was a bit opaque, but what I meant was that Rome in Caesar's time was a republic, and one that operated differently from modern ones. I'm not totally comfortable with using 'democracy' synonymously with 'modern civilization,' but I get what you mean. I'm just not convinced it would be as easy as it was in the past. You or I cannot imagine the immense resources, finances, and manpower available to most modern societies. There are fail-safes all over the place for this kind of thing. I'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 11:45 PM
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Or... maybe women simply don't want to be hit on literally everywhere? Has that ever crossed your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 11:34 PM
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I thought there would be some interesting discussion from time to time? I don't have the same goals as a lot of men here seem to, and so I also don't struggle as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:56 PM
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The alarmists are missing out on some key historical factors, namely the hugely different conditions now vs then. Nothing in America would be easy to seize. The country is criss-crossed with massive infrastructure that move troops and weapons with ease, the populace is comparatively unarmed (even a bunch of automatic rifles are laughable compared to the full force of the US military) and none of the detractors have hardened military leaders. Caesar never ran against democracy, by the way. Not a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:52 PM
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Ah, I see you have yet to make a large purchase. Can I interest you in some offerings?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 03:00 AM
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No, I'm not. I cannot stand it when people won't take compliments gracefully or aren't proud of themselves/their accomplishments. If they are obviously good at something or better in some way, they should own it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:35 AM
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We cannot judge him by what he might have said, only by what was typed. Indeed, I often try to loose my interests upon an unsuspecting world. It's a pity it doesn't respond in kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 11:01 PM
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Don't you be sitting there and calling the rest of us average!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 10:59 PM
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Things I think are ideal: Sensitivity Curiosity Sweetness Courage Good sense of humour Intelligence Things I am ambivalent about: Honesty Agreeableness Sociability Political inclinations Fidelity Bonus - things I'd rather not see: Loudness High spontaneity Humility
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 10:53 PM
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It isn't so much that different forms of violence are sex-specific, but that they're more likely to perpetrated against women simply because most women aren't physically strong enough to resist adequately or to deter it in the first place. For non-physical forms, I can think of a few. Dick pics come to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 10:31 PM
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Could someone give me specifics of what they mean by the terms 'cocky,' 'asshole,' and 'arrogant?' I have a feeling that we're all describing very different attitudes when people throw these words about.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 10:27 PM
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Yes, but note how nothing in there says "most/all women are born sexually fluid," only that the proportion is greater in women than men. The majority of women are still heterosexual, just like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 10:22 PM
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I tried to avoid the more controversial items.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 10:02 PM
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Three things amiss with this: Your source is Wikipedia Your source, bad as it is, directly contradicts what you said by stating in the preamble that sexual fluidity may or may not align with one's actual sexual orientation or behaviours Your source says nothing about the majority of women being sexually fluid at all
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 10:00 PM
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Your data on rapes does not take into account sexual assaults and situations where someone cannot legally consent to sexual contact. Those statistics push the numbers much higher, making your claims about their rarity unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 09:56 PM
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You all now have a Bingo: https://imgflip.com/i/6mzqr2
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 09:46 PM
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No, having extra body fat is not optimal for Olympic lifting. In fact, it makes it harder to cut down for your weigh-in and will do nothing to increase your lifts. The reason you see the highest weight classes with extra cushion is because they are training with the highest loads and eating tons of calories to match their energy expenditure. At that point, having excess calories is more helpful than not, and they don't have to cut anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:37 PM
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So what were the results for the other guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:33 PM
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Red pill people still hope they'll get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:29 PM
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I give up. Believe what you want, just don't be an asshole to people under some delusion that it's making you more attractive. Please.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:26 PM
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There's an entire thread on the front page about how only being an actual asshole is appealing, and comments within it saying you should be an abusive rapist instead of a kind man if you want to attract women. I couldn't even make this stuff up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 06:57 PM
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Maybe she just likes the scent of your non-existent pheromones, dude. You can't brush away the appeal of being a wretched human being so easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 06:55 PM
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There were so many comments that insisted the contrary view that I thought it would be an interested exercise to see if anyone actually put their money with their mouth was.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 06:48 PM
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Q4M: following up on my previous one from earlier today, how many of you have tried acting like an actual asshole and actually gotten laid because of it? Not talking about being confident, "keeping frame," or whatever... just purely being unkind and unpleasant to be around as a human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 06:32 PM
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Liking someone's natural body smell is not the same thing as being attracted to their pheromones - chemicals that humans do not produce.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 06:27 PM
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Do women really fantasize about such a different type, though? Batman isn't a typical hero, but he's hardly unempathetic, he has a touching backstory, he struggles and is imperfect. That imperfection makes him human and relateable. The OP was making the claim that kindness can never be attractive, at all, and that women only like assholes. That's a bit of an exaggeration, wouldn't you say?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:13 PM
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Oh ffs, extrapolate!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:09 PM
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THEY'RE BOTH THE SAME. Perhaps that is easier to read? For all your guys' talk about science on this sub, it seems like none of you understand what a controlled variable is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:48 PM
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Interesting theory, but your points about subversion are hard to prove. I don't buy into the Foucault-ian idea of power and sex. I disagree with your assertion that kindness is inherently un-sexy. Like a scarf, it will wear differently on a weak, supplicating man than it will on a strong, self-reliant type. It has the ability to enhance attraction if combined with other factors, not in isolation. The reason the bad boy/nice guy dynamic happens is because the nice guy sucks, not because the bad b…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:46 PM
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Pretend they're both cute. This is about the traits in themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:32 PM
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But don't you know that there's no difference between the two? What matters is that he is behaving nicely, not that his niceness is a put-on and total BS just to get people to like him. (I swear I'm not making up this line of reasoning)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:29 PM
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No, but you can definitely find out which ones are unsupported by any scientific evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:27 PM
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Because he's nice, of course. That's all a woman should ever require of a man, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:23 PM
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You can't judge past morality from our own. That's Presentism, and it's a very clear indicator that you have no idea what you're saying. If you think that everyone in history with charisma was a scumbag, then I have interest in continuing this conversation any further. I'll not argue with such wilful ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:20 PM
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I agree completely. What I was pointing out as well is that his "gas-lighting" is all in his head, not the result of malicious persecution.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:16 PM
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Sigh... you guys just aren't getting it. You can't just ignore implied social norms if you're going to talk about human attraction. If you ask a woman whether looks or personality is more important, she's going to say personality not because looks aren't important, but because you didn't specify that the 'good personality' guy in this scenario is supposed to be butt-ugly. If you don't make that comparison clear, of course they're going to say "just personality," because it's assumed that they're…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:14 PM
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More like Woman: Nice Guy: "Oh, most rare and high-valued one! Taketh me to thine bosom, for verily I have not standards!"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:07 PM
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Again, I wasn't talking about not getting any shelter at all, but specifically whether you would choose to have that particular dry cave as shelter. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:05 PM
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It's pretty easy to tell them apart if you spend a normal amount of time socializing. There are a lot of Nice Guys who will try to rationalize the fact that they didn't get the girl by comparing an attractive man's well-adjusted traits with their negative counterparts, and this happens far too often to make a claim like OP believable on its face.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:02 PM
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Q4A: how many people here genuinely believe that women would rather pick someone who will beat them or rape them over a kind, confident man? Please restore my faith that some of you can be saved.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 12:59 PM
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Oh really? So all the great heroes and leaders of the past who had charisma were toxic people that doomed their societies, is that it? And it's impossible to be confident without being arrogant... MY BAD. What utter nonsense. You think that women prefer physical abuse and rape to kindness? Have you ever met a human female before, or do you just know them through the internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 12:52 PM
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You're missing the point. What's pathetic isn't valuing kindness (when did I ever say that?), but allowing kindness to be the sole determining factor in whether someone is found attractive. It is bullshit that women can "just be kind" and that's what makes them attractive. They have to be slim (or curvy in "all the right ways"), low number of partners, pretty, feminine, etc., to be considered a good catch. The men who will go for anything are pathetic, because they're demonstrating that they hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 12:48 PM
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They specifically stereotyped more successful men as lesser members of the gene pool. I'm merely explaining how others might see things differently. I generally find that people who are angry and bitter over others' free choices (that they cannot control) often want to be able to change those choices in their favour. You'll forgive me if I have little sympathy for such a position.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:49 AM
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Is protein shakes man related to muffin man, cause let me tell you... that guy's baking all the wrong wheys.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:44 AM
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Perhaps women are not looking to date men who require positive incentives to continue doing what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:40 AM
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Eating a picky dater.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:33 AM
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No, they do not. It is relevant because people are not merely the sum total of their actions, but also who they are inside. Good luck trying to convince a woman she should be attracted to the things you do instead of who you actually are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:32 AM
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I believe you meant '30' days without food. The choice isn't between food or shelter in general, it's between food and the cave.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:30 AM
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That simply isn't the case. It is quite easy to tell when someone is making an effort and when they are doing something instinctively. Maybe not right away, but it emerges as you get to know them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:17 AM
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Do you value food over shelter? The correct answer should be 'yes,' because shelter is necessary but food is vital. Given the choice between starvation and a dry cave, most people would take the food. Niceness is a dry cave. That doesn't mean that you should say you don't value the cave. The cave is useful, and it is valuable, but it is not food and it does not sustain you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:14 AM
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No, but it might help them achieve an orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:09 AM
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So your objection is that a nice man should have priority over a more attractive man simply because he's nice? And not 'kind,' let's make that distinction clear: a kind man performs kind deeds because that quality is a part of who he is. A nice man does nice things because he thinks it makes him a better person/he wants approval/he consciously makes the decision to be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:05 AM
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See, a man who would describe himself as nice, empathic, law-abiding, and less aggressive, in the experience of most women is, at best, spineless and, at worst, a crazy stalker just waiting to happen. You should never have to describe yourself like this. People who are primarily these traits with nothing else to back them up are not good men. They are Nice Guys, and that is what is unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:51 AM
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If that is the only standard men have, then our standards are much too low. That's the whole point. It isn't that women don't value kindness, as the OP claims, but that they don't value kindness solely.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:44 AM
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And by "restructure society" they mean "prevent women from making free choices."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:37 AM
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That says more about the pathetic state of modern men's self control than it does about the woman's attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:33 AM
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Then I'd let them stay sometimes, but not often. Honestly though, I'm not sure. It might be a movie-worthy scene after a few months, so that could be fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:31 AM
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The author obviously mistook sadism for sad-ism.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:30 AM
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This isn't even my main computer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:27 AM
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Will they pay rent, or this like a wailing parents kind of situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:26 AM
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Which is hilarious, because everyone knows that started with refrigeration.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:25 AM
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I believe this is a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:21 AM
2

Just one round?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:18 AM
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I don't do online dating, but if I did I certainly would not lead with mentioning what I thought of myself, but instead by describing things about myself that indicate those things without saying them. Which is why I don't do online dating, incidentally. I prefer to have that become apparent in person, rather than having to type it all out for a stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:16 AM
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Uh, most will choose to stay single if those were the choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:10 AM
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So the women who say they want men who are attractive in other ways but also kind are conspiring to pull off a giant practical joke, is that it? Which sounds more believable: that kindness could be an attractive trait (not the only one), or that an entire sex is orchestrating a complex conspiracy of global proportions specifically to piss you off?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:00 AM
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'Cause we were promised an unholy gaggle of near-virgins, by gad, and we're gonna find out who they are and wheres about they be, d'ya hear?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 02:54 AM
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Not evil, just deluded. Strong men don't have to tell people how tough they are. Intelligent men don't have to state their IQ all the time. Kind men don't have to tell people they're nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 02:33 AM
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Your problem is that you're confusing charisma, confidence, willingness to take risks, 'darkly handsome,' etc., with "cockiness and asshole behaviour." It's complete nonsense to say that women don't like kind men. But a genuinely kind man isn't being that way to gain someone's favour or because he has little else going for him. That is the key. You can't rely upon 'being kind' as the foundation of your personality and expect to be attractive for it. Disagree? Try being your regular self, but thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 02:31 AM
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Yes. At age 100, all of the available women are probably dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 02:24 AM
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If she isn't into you, is she out of you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:52 AM
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My advice? Do not freaking do it. Take a studio, take a smaller apartment, do anything humanly possible (that does not seriously diminish your safety or the quality of your life) to avoid living with roommates who are not either family or friends. You're just going to have to trust me on this one. I'd gladly pay $500 more a month if it meant I could toss my roommates out on their asses.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:49 AM
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Did you go to Olive Garden?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:44 AM
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When I was 17, I was told I was going to look hotter than Brad Pitt when I got older.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:39 AM
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A pulse
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 01:28 AM
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Homosexuality is not a disease or a mental illness, nor is it abnormal simply because it is not common. In fact, sexualities other than heterosexual are present in all human societies at fairly stable rates. You would prefer to abort fetutses that might develop into gay infants? Do you understand how monstrous that sounds?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 03:18 PM
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Homosexuality is not something that needs to be 'cured.' What an ignorant statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 12:12 PM
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Telegram... delivered by telegraph. Best of both worlds.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:35 AM
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Telegraph, of course. How else do you get news?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:15 AM
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You know it - I have a playlist just for these occasions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:13 AM
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It's such a huge waste of time, too. Why wouldn't you want to expend your efforts flirting with someone who actually likes you back?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:11 AM
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Your logic applies to someone in a luxury store selling things that don't need advertisement. When in reality it's a convenience store and the man in this scenario is a really strange gas station attendant.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:07 AM
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I believe I am attractive, but not extremely. Therefore I shall patiently await the results of your survey with eager anticipation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:02 AM
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Do you not crave the internet validation of complete strangers? Have you sufficient numbers of stalkers?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 01:46 AM
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If your friends give you a rating/10, what qualifies?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 01:41 AM
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I don't like this comment because I cannot argue against it. Please consider changing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 01:34 AM
1

Is it the one that increases anal retention?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 01:32 AM
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Abortion has nothing to do with rapists, except in so far as it provides a means of disposing of an odious infliction. Edit: I realize that you mean immigration laws now. It would have saved me some misunderstanding if you had said so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 01:28 AM
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I was thinking the exact same thing! Might be a bit of an urban hike, though
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 01:25 AM
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That rape doesn't define her or her current person. No one can change the past, but they can damn sure work on the present and the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 01:23 AM
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Yes, I agree, but that doesn't negate the biphobia. It's pure prejudice, because it's not like the man is incompatible due to his sexuality. It doesn't do bisexual men any favours in general if biphobia is prevalent. If 80% of people wouldn't date a man with blue eyes due to prejudice, is the man being done a favour? That's an extraordinarily mild way of looking at bigotry in action.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 01:22 AM
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No, she's a 10 year old who won't die from childbirth complications due to her young age and won't bear the wretched spawn of a scumbag.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 01:15 AM
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I think I need to take a break from here tomorrow. Too much time spent online
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 01:12 AM
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It would make it easier to pull off certain styles, but I have curly hair and I like it that way. No side-parts for me!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 01:11 AM
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Then I have just the thing to cause your enemies to flee in mortal terror: https://i.etsystatic.com/19429939/r/il/c9990a/1833733961/il_fullxfull.1833733961_ah87.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 12:15 AM
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Ah, but maybe that's a game he's playing too!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 12:08 AM
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Can you tolerate sequins?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 12:05 AM
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Again, the scientific evidence that testosterone therapy plays a role in women's sex drives is weak. Women's sexual desire is more strongly linked to responsive sexual arousal, and doesn't operate the same way men's does. What I'm saying is that there is more at play than just testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 12:04 AM
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The first study you linked shows concordance rate (which is still fairly high), not probability that the twins will be homosexual themselves. The problem with twin studies is that twins can develop in different amniotic sacs and placentas, which is why concordance studies are useful in determining how much the amount of exposure of hormones plays a role. The problem with these studies, however, is that we aren't sure which genes are causal in developing sexuality. What is more certain is that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 12:00 AM
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Try not to go bald
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 11:43 PM
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I saw the post, but not really sure why it would lead to her deleting?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 11:43 PM
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Take your shoes off.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 11:42 PM
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Agreed, but it's pointless to post this advice. People is as people does.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 11:41 PM
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That doesn't apply in situations where a man and a woman have been dating, the woman develops feelings for the man, he tells her he's bi, and suddenly it's all over. (not an uncommon scenario) The only thing that changed was her socialized revulsion, not the nature of their relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 11:39 PM
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https://thischangedmypractice.com/testosterone-levels-for-women/ https://journals.lww.com/menopausejournal/Abstract/2010/17050/Role_of_androgens_in_women_s_sexual_dysfunction.15.aspx It's a well-documented fact that testosterone levels in women with both high and low sex drives are the same. There are many other studies that back this up. Like I said in my post above, spontaneous sexual drive is not the same thing as responsive sexual arousal. Trans men may report a higher sex drive due to being…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 11:30 PM
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Damn right!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 11:19 PM
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Except that there is new research indicating that male sex hormones have little effect on women's sex drives, so how do you account for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 11:16 PM
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How is this even a question?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 11:08 PM
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I think you know what to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 11:02 PM
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You know what bald guys can do that other guys can't? Shine the tops of their heads with peanut oil until it reflects the sunlight into the eyes of their opponents and blinds them! Baldness is simply a combat advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 11:01 PM
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I'm not entirely convinced that people on those apps aren't lying about their ages. In my very brief forays into OLD, I saw a lot of people, men and women, who looked much older than their stated age. Either that, or people just aren't wearing enough goddamn sunscreen and moisturizer!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 10:57 PM
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I agree that men need to start valuing themselves and their time and attention more, and also that they should stop being supplicating Nice Guys in a misguided attempt to attract women. There is a distinct difference between being an attractive, good man and a Nice Guy who thinks he's oh-so-virtuous and "why oh why won't anyone drop their pants for me??"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 10:33 PM
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This is an indication that men are women are aroused differently and in different circumstances, not an indication that overall sexual desire is lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 10:30 PM
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There is a difference between spontaneous sex drive and responsive sexual arousal. Here's some research indicating that testosterone has no effect on women's sex drive: https://journals.lww.com/menopausejournal/Abstract/2010/17050/Role_of_androgens_in_women_s_sexual_dysfunction.15.aspx The studies you refer to are outdated. Sex drive is not lower in women than in men, it just has changing patterns and different triggers. Here's an article talking about it, with more links: https://www.lelo.com/b…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 10:27 PM
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I'm choosing to define 'thursting' as a kind of thirsty pursuit of women, all the while 'ork, ork'-ing like a seal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 09:06 PM
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You don’t need this bond to maintain a relationship though. Plenty of men partner with women they don’t live simply because it’s convenient,beneficial and the sexual attraction is there. Based on what men say mlm is more convenient and beneficial than mlw so as long as the sexual attraction is there couldn’t an mlm relationship work even if one man is heteroromantic? Look, I'm not saying it can never happen, but that some bisexual men don't want that and would rather date women, no matter how ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:57 PM
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But your final point is where I'm losing you. If those traits are helpful in attracting women, it isn't the case that their lack makes the person less valuable because of their failure to attract women, but because those traits are valuable in addition to being attractive. Now, while you're correct in saying that those traits alone are not guarantors of attraction, because they are attractive it is a mistake to state categorically that their improvement can never aid in gaining attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:27 PM
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I don’t understand. If you’re attracted to both even if one is in significantly lower frequency wouldn’t the pros vs cons add more incentive to date the gender you’re not as attracted to no pregnancy scares if you’re not ready to be father, less paternity worries, easier to get sex, easier to relate as they’re the same sex and can understand on a deeper level what life is like for you, similar communication styles etc. It isn't a matter of incentive. If you're heteroromantic, you simply can't fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:17 PM
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Is not this: Your lack of women suggests your lack of effort in life and yourself and must therefore 'work on yourself'. This is the arguments made one way or another. I reject this notion. At best, those stating that mantra falsely attribute their success to those qualities. Contradicted by this: If you lack all of these, you are as of now, practically useless. Go ahead, apply the opposite to everything earlier to a person and tell me you value them in any way, let alone as a partner. ?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:01 PM
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Do you have any evidence that women aren't as horny as men, or is it just your overwhelming experience with the male sex drive that leads you to this conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:56 PM
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The kid thing isn't a problem, as long as one or the other is okay with being the sole biological father of the child. Perhaps I should have said "if he wants a child the usual way." It isn't so simple if your sexuality just happens to be more heterosexual than homosexual. Some men are homosexual but heteroromantic, meaning that they can't really have lasting relationships with the same sex. Other times they might only be attracted to specific men who are rarer sorts, meaning that it's hard to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:48 PM
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I don't have any information on the ambition or educational prospects of the mom, so i consider her a blank slate. The man has a degree and is already unsuccessful. His living situation is one which he can change, but the fact that his suburban parents likely coddle him and don't give him any responsibilities means that the danger that the situation won't improve is high. Of course, if I can choose to be me in one of those two bodies, I'd choose to be the man. That way I can get the satisfaction…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:39 PM
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I agree that it isn't as accepted as it should be, but that doesn't mean that the total number of bisexual men and women would change if society were more open to it--they'd simply be out more. My guess is that there are a lot more bisexual people than gay people, and more straight people than both. Your other point agrees with what I was saying earlier in this thread too, namely that bisexuality is a spectrum, and there are varying levels of attraction for whichever sex. Sometimes it's almost w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:32 PM
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Work, of course. Emails and work... my inbox is a Pandora's Box of stress.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:26 PM
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I personally prefer eavesdropping to gossip.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:25 PM
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I can't say that I've ever seen anyone asking a single woman walking down the street if she's ok because she's alone, but maybe that's just my area. It sounds to me like that isn't so much a problem of not being noticed as it is a question of being approachable and friendly. People are always friendly and talkative around me when I'm in a good mood (and if they are too), but on days where I don't bother to dress well*, look very serious, or don't seem content with life, it kind of spills out ont…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:24 PM
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I'd be the mom. I'd join a church cult and get support from them, exercise to lose the weight, and move to Atlanta. Then I'd get a job, take certification courses, and work on losing my accent. Get a better job with a company that has offices in NYC, move to NYC, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:18 PM
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So what is your problem? Do you feel alienated because someone said people with uteruses instead of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:11 PM
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A suggestive smile is one that shows pleasure and interest--this is often something like a smirk, but it will be coupled with eye contact the whole time or else the glance will linger at the shoes and then the smirk + a flicker up a glance upwards, but in a flirtatious manner. Again, it's hard to explain over the internet unless you've seen it in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:08 PM
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How would you prefer to be noticed? Glances walking down the street, acknowledgement and respect when you walk into a room, open stares?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:53 PM
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I suppose I don't understand how my example was at all subtle. Perhaps I wasn't clear, but it's the same woman doing all three of those things in sequence, not three different signs. If you look someone up and down and smile suggestively at them afterwards, that's an almost Disney-level version of an IOI.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:50 PM
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Sorry, what? You don't have to include people who can get pregnant in talking about people who can pregnant's rights? Serious means that something deserves careful consideration. Abortion rights demand careful consideration, regardless of who does the talking or what they say.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:48 PM
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The problem is that the quiet parts are still parts. Saying it out loud is just a warning.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:45 PM
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Can I choose to be dead instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:43 PM
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If you don't know what an indicator of interest is or how to interpret one, then that indicates some room for improvement in the social skills area. It's somewhat difficult to teach over the internet, but there are definitely clear signs. For example, if a woman meets your eyes, looks you deliberately up and down, meets your gaze again and smiles... that's a pretty damn clear sign. Of course, they're often more subtle than this, but just as that example is very different from someone meeting you…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:33 PM
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The argument you linked with the idiot senator was regarding advocating for abortion rights for people who can have children. Those groups of people include people with uteruses who aren't women. Ergo, you need terminology that encompasses these groups. Also, the people advocating for abortion rights and abortion rights themselves are not identical. One does not affect the seriousness of another in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:24 PM
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A lot. Maybe not most, but something like 50% easily. Personality, character, hygiene, style, self-care, ambition, lifestyle, social circles, and career choice are all things that are almost entirely in your control and can also influence attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:19 PM
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How serious can you be if you don't realize that just using the word 'women' doesn't legally encompass other people who can also have children?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:15 PM
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She is very pretty. I'd say a 9
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:13 PM
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Dude, you need a better work shift.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:12 PM
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IOI = indicators of interest If a woman is signalling these to a man, she's basically giving green lights (a clear runway) to make a move. The point is not to approach every woman you find attractive, but those who also find you attractive. That way you save time and are more likely to be compatible. It's win-win. And I resent your suggestion that only psychopaths or extroverts will approach. I'm what most would term an introvert, and I approach women I like all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:11 PM
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I'm lucky enough to have skipped the receding hairline into my 30s so far, although every other man in my family has one. Apparently I have a gene that makes it unlikely before 40. If it does happen, though, I'd go for a short-cropped hairstyle and never shave my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:05 PM
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To be fair, most men with healthy lifestyles and testosterone levels aren't any worse off at 35 than they were in their 20s. It's just that most men don't have that + the genetics + take care of themselves in other ways. I'm in my early 30s and far superior in every way to my early 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:00 PM
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It's actually a much better look to crop it short (not short buzz) and embrace the Picard look as you get older. Think Jude Law over the years. A real hairstylist can make it look much better, and you won't have to resort to a patchy beard and looking even older.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 05:55 PM
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Unless they decided that they wanted children in their lives, presumably? It's really annoying when people with babies assume that everyone else should have them too, but it's equally so for the child-free ones insinuating that all children are detriments.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 05:50 PM
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Then you'll be fine with my pointing out that 'effect,' in this case, is actually correct. Whereas 'affect' would be used in this case to denote a preexisting attraction that was influenced by other factors, 'effect' makes perfect sense in terms of bringing about or causing a woman's willingness to be with a man where one did not previously exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 05:34 PM
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It's a common stereotype these days, but it's also wrong and profoundly unhistorical. In fact, there are generally thought to be more truly bisexual men and women than homosexual. It's a shame that we assume we're so progressive with our social freedoms when we're not even as accepting of sexuality as some civilizations were 2500 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:57 PM
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Agreed. I know that some bisexual men actually prefer to be more open about it for that very reason: they'd rather weed out the people with whom they aren't compatible, and appeal more strongly to others--often as a result of being openly bisexual. That can often translate to better dating success overall, even though the pool of potential partners might shrink initially. We can see this happen with subcultures too, especially the more polarizing ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:01 PM
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I did not mean to suggest that that principle was used by Darwin, only that it was explicative of some of the problems Darwin identified. I suppose it is also a more prevalent theory in some academic circles than others. I want to emphasize that I do not believe in the notion that women select men purely on the basis of their physical traits. I do, however, think that many heritable traits are instinctively chosen by women, and that these traits are sometimes manifested in outward markers. For e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 02:55 PM
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I think that every generation has slightly different standards, for sure. But I also think that this sub often misses the mark for what those standards are today. Men like Timothee Chalamet, Zac Efron, K-pop stars, Tom Hiddleston, Benedict Cumberbatch, etc., get a lot of attention. The 'pretty boy' face and build is much more universally appealing to younger women. It goes beyond facial attractiveness. Men who think they can skimp out on self-care, style, and interpersonal qualities these days a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 02:34 PM
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Definitely upbringing. If anything my testosterone levels are higher than average, according to my doctor. I agree that most men are not like that, possibly to their detriment, but he said that "men" have low standards and that even the most attractive will go for women who are far less attractive. That is what I was disputing. Then there's the question of whether only looks should be the basis for how we're determining 'standards.'
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 01:14 PM
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Prior generations did not always live in a pathetic state, but it's true that we have to be honest about having made progress in many ways today. That doesn't mean, however, that strong, positive, and masculine figures were just as unavailable to men in the past as they are today. In fact, considering that men today are far more likely to have been raised never having read a classic novel, never having heard of real heroic figures, never having investigated their own past history, it is likely t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 12:56 PM
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Sexuality is determined at birth, not by society or upbringing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 12:35 PM
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Girls often turn bi/lesbian to cope after failed relationships with men. Some of them certainly do find out that they're attracted to women too, but they emphatically do not "turn bi/lesbian." It's not some lifestyle choice. Your sexuality is determined at birth. And speaking of that, women haven't been sexually attracted to men who even give off anything that resembles gayness, no matter how straight they are. If you're in an area where there are closed minded people, it can come down to someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 12:35 PM
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Yes, and conversely some bi men might feel like they'd rather be out and only date people who have no problem with it, or that they only want to date women anyway and it doesn't matter. It's a very personal choice either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 12:24 PM
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Bisexuality runs on a spectrum. Often it isn't a 50/50 split in attraction between the sexes, or someone likes men but only a specific type, etc. I can't say why that particular data shows that pattern, but I do know that bisexual leaning can vary quite a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 04:20 AM
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Echoing a sentiment that seems to underlie a lot of posts on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 04:12 AM
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That's what I mean. Quality entertainment, dude! I would have fluffed up some cushions to lean on at Day 2 and just watched the fur fly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 04:10 AM
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Why on earth would you pass up the opportunity to get snowed in with both your FWB and your ex?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 04:03 AM
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Exactly, I agree that it could easily backfire. Granted, some women have absolutely no problem dating bisexual men, especially liberal/higher education types in urban centres, but these also don't appear to be this sub's favoured group.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 04:01 AM
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Ah yes, women are all liars and we should never listen to what they say, right? It can't possibly be the blatant lack of socialization I display by making that observation, can it? No... that can't be it...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:58 AM
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The logic is that attraction to men is always primarily assumed. This is the reason some straight men don't take bi women seriously or fetishize them. Their attraction to women isn't taken as seriously as their attraction to men, so they're basically presumed "straight with some flavour." Bisexual men are assumed to be semi-closeted gay men because if they are attracted to men they can't possibly be as attracted to women because the male attraction is primary. In reality, openly bisexual men oft…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:53 AM
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Simply put, due to their enormous sex drive men have extremely low standards when it comes to both sexual partners and long term relationships. Despite what they will have you believe, very few guys are picky and even the most attractive men will simp for, sleep with and even date/marry women far less attractive than them, you see it all the time. Citation needed. For what it's worth, I'm not bad looking and I will absolutely not enter into a relationship with a woman who doesn't meet my standar…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:45 AM
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You're wasting your time. They won't listen to you because they think you're lying - they think every woman is lying all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:42 AM
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Serenity now!!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:39 AM
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For new shoes, I'd drive him myself. (no license)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:36 AM
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Do you think religion was the primary factor in this, though, or was it the rise of civilization?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:54 PM
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So... you're agreeing with me. All the religions I listed were ones under which polygamy was practised. The factor determining monogamous vs non-monogamous societies in general seems to be civilized, or complex, societies vs simple ones. The more complex the society, the more monogamy was practised. Religion wasn't the primary driver.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:51 PM
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Luckily I have fantastically pretty green eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:43 PM
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The way the theory is broached is that religious practices invented monogamy. Which religious practices? Why in some religions and not others?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:36 PM
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Zoroastrianism, Islam, Hinduism, ancient Egyptian religion, ancient Babylonian religion, Celtic religion, etc. The Macedonian elites also practised polygamy. One ancient culture that was fairly strictly monogamous, although exceptions were made for aristocratic men, was that of the Germanic tribes. It is my opinion that this culture combined with the Judeo-Christian tradition in the early Mediaeval Period had a much greater role in shaping current monogamous practices than 'religion' in general.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:32 PM
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Sorry I have self-esteem and don't thirst after everything with a vagina. I guess that makes me less masculine somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:19 PM
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Where does this idea come from that monogamy is the result of religion? What about ancient religions where the practice of polygamy was condoned? Do they just 'not count' somehow?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:17 PM
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Men will claim that they don't want as many as possible, they'll say they are a good guy who just wants ONE partner, despite the fact that if they were attractive and able to attract women they'd probably sleep with as many women as they could, like "selfish badboy". I disagree. I've turned down women before because they didn't meet my standards, and I didn't care if it would be easy to sleep with them. If a man is dying of thirst in the desert, of course he'd think "boy, if I had an oasis of wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:12 PM
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So men who have types and aren't interested in just another pair of legs are feminine?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 11:05 PM
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It's just a fantasy by means of which they justify not trying with women irl, because they're clearly all uninterested anyway!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 09:13 PM
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I hope you lectured her at some length about how not revealing this private information ahead of time was duplicitous and ranted about the RP before you finally relented and gave her a jolly good seeing-to!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 09:08 PM
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I'm waiting for a time when they start reviving the lost science of physiognomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 08:58 PM
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I wouldn't miss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 08:48 PM
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Catch me outside, how bout dat?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 08:47 PM
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Here is the point: just because a certain explanation seems to predict a set of behavioural outcomes doesn't mean that it is the correct explanation for why they occur. RP ideology doesn't offer any more of a scientific explanation for behavioural sequences than by showing correlation between women's behaviours and various circumstantial criteria, especially since it ignores input from the data set (i.e. stated reasons for doing what they do). The theoretical concept of US spending on science be…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 08:44 PM
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All you need to do is stop thinking about dust, and then you will never sneeze.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 08:22 PM
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Would it surprise you to learn, then, that there is a near perfect correlation between US spending on science, space, and technology and suicides by hanging, strangulation, and suffocation in that same country - with a confidence interval of 99%+ over ten years? Source: https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations Which of us should inform the Office of Science and Technology Policy that their allocation of funding resources is literal suicide?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 08:16 PM
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And Gillette invented the jawline. Before that it was just chin and neck.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 07:55 PM
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Would you say that a theoretical framework having a near perfect correlation to a pattern of behaviour, a framework that can explain your observations and predict the future behaviour of those people, is highly believable?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 07:45 PM
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I'm not furious. It's right up there in my user flair: chill pill. I have some extra...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 07:04 PM
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Would you rather get a "reddit cares" or a corporate birthday card with ads inside?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 07:03 PM
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The irony of your post is that I'm not a woman, but again: this is simply (in my view) an overly-direct misinterpretation of what people are actually saying and/or a lack of understanding of common sense social conventions in the dating world. You cannot blame an entire sex for your own ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 07:01 PM
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I'd agree with that. I'm early 30s myself and still look younger than my age - most assume early or mid 20s. It's likely due to full hair, being in shape, and skincare, but I am starting to get that silver wolf look with flecks of grey on the sides! We'll see how 40 goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 06:58 PM
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I didn't say that women don't lie, I said that women aren't all liars. Specifically, they don't all lie about what they find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 06:47 PM
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Here's the kicker, though: RP guys will claim that they know the true nature of women, but won't listen to anyone's point of view but their own. They certainly won't listen to women's, because they consider them inherently liars. This makes their claims unfalsifiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 06:45 PM
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Most men who honestly believe that their chances are zero are misinformed or delusional. The amount of men who absolutely cannot get a date because it just isn't in the stars for them is much smaller than the population of people whining on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 06:35 PM
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The irony is that even fewer men would have relationships if we went back to past methods.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 06:28 PM
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Yep, this is very simple stuff. Maybe not the easiest to learn if one has no social skills at first, but not complicated science and spreadsheets either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 06:26 PM
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That doesn't prove that women are liars. It proves that many men misinterpret what women are saying and/or lack the common sense understandings that underlie any conversation about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 06:07 PM
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Look: if I decided to approach only gorgeous women with a great fashion sense and good education, but I don't measure up in the same way, I might reasonably suppose that it is improbable that it would work out between me and those women - hence the impossible connection. This is different, however, from continuing to approach women like these, getting rejected often, and then discouraging myself from trying anything with anyone else because I believe that no woman will have me. In reality, I hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 06:05 PM
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The thing is, there are so many women that you're unlikely to figure out your type blindly. You have to understand what you're looking for first, and then focus your efforts on women who fit that. If you constantly strike out with them, perhaps you need to adjust your expectations or your type. I don't see that it limits your choices, because choosing someone compatible is more likely to work out in the long run, so you won't waste years on someone else and miss the opportunity to meet that othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 06:00 PM
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Both of those philosophies are seriously lacking, however, because they both operate from a basic claim that women are all liars and you have to outwit them in order to get what you want from them/life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 05:53 PM
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Yes, because the one is an example of recognizing one's own limitations, and the other is a refusal to realize those limitations for what they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 05:49 PM
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Are you suggesting that men should be able to opt-out of parenting if they get a woman pregnant? I really hope that's not what you mean by "raising the bar." Not all male role models are parents. If there are no extended family members that fulfill that role, it's often media that functions in the same way. And how many young men are being encouraged to read classical literature dealing with great themes instead of watching vapid television shows? How many fathers are plopping them down in front…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 05:47 PM
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Oh I know it's nice, it just reminded me of a commercial meme about it I saw once. Still prefer Tuscan Leather on myself, and a lot of people like Beau de Jour on me too. Have you ever tried Serge Lutens? He does a lot of interesting things with spices, resins, vanillas, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 05:18 PM
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I prefer to think of effort as a pancake. But to counter your assertion that I have impossible expectations, I offer a definition of "properly," namely: approaching women in spaces with shared interests, looking for (and correctly interpreting) signs of interest, and been honest about approaching women in their calibre In fact, I do not believe that anything is possible, which is why I encourage men to find out as quickly as possible what their type is and where they stand personally, so that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 05:16 PM
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LOL Tobacco Vanille... Sauvage, in my area, is often applied very liberally by a certain type of club-going PUA enthusiast with BO. It's not that the fragrance is bad, but for some reason it's been latched onto and ruined for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:34 PM
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Ooh, yeah! With those really bad, cheap loafers and reeking of Sauvage.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:27 PM
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Don't listen to what a woman says, watch what she does. Unless she slaps you or walks away in disgust, then ignore that part you manly seducer, you...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:21 PM
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But I've been told that all touch is sexual to a woman, and therefore if I touch her often enough she'll scent my pheromones and her Qi will be stimulated.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:15 PM
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What are thesis? What are thosis?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:09 PM
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I have a gene that makes it unlikely I'll ever develop Alzheimer's. But I'm also the child of Boomers - totally skipped over Gen X.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:03 PM
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He might mean women at work, i.e. women while they are working (and you're a customer?).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:01 PM
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This is a self-defeating attitude. How many men have actually tried approaching women in spaces with shared interests, looking for (and correctly interpreting) signs of interest, and been honest about approaching women in their calibre, only to withdraw to dating apps in defeat? I'm willing to bet it's very, very few. Much more likely that they're reading this idea on the internet that they can't ever have a chance and never even trying properly. Otherwise, they're simply dishonest with themselv…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:55 PM
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Have voucher code. Code won't apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:49 PM
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We're both choosers in dating. If women have their pick of the litter, it's because men are too thirsty to be discriminating, which ironically devalues their choosing. A line I came up with in another thread: "Women get to say 'yes' second, but men have to say it first."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:47 PM
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That is just barbaric. We have modern medicine and doctors - the sad thing is that this was probably preventable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:04 PM
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Something usually around this: https://www.peacefuldumpling.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/reading_woman.jpg https://i.insider.com/5c86c85826289875e31da8bf?width=700 https://i0.wp.com/dreamhumanity.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/pexels-photo-432739.jpeg?fit=940%2C627&ssl=1 Though honestly I'm more attracted to what I can imagine her vibe might be, and not so much purely her features. I'd date a plainer-looking woman too, and have. Being in shape is a dealbreaker though - doesn't have to exercise…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:58 PM
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In my opinion if you have types as an ordinary man, chances are high you’ll never find anyone. Why would you think that? It's no different from saying that you're looking for someone with shared interests or in a similar career field. Men still have options. We can choose which women we want to interact with and with whom we'd like to try a relationship. Why would you pursue women as if you had to take what you can get all the time? Women get to say 'yes' second, but we have to say it first.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:54 PM
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I'm definitely not another Casanova or something. There just seems to be a lot of extreme reasoning in either direction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:33 PM
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Yes, thank goodness. It's hard to explain in detail sometimes, but all of this is correct. And the more you practise doing it, the more instinctual it becomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:29 PM
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Not every hobby is one that's conducive to meeting people, so that's true. It would help if you had one that required some human interaction or at least got you outside to do it. For example, I meet people through vintage stores/vendor sales all the time. Bars/clubs: Forget about nightclubs. What kind of bars are you trying? Some are better than others when going out alone. Events: I don't know about where you live, but in my city there are always free or cheap events that interest me and where …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:26 PM
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Is one out of two good enough for data points?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:07 PM
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Those people are absolutely insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:06 PM
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Creative/academic field, mid-range salary, one roommate, Toronto. 5'8", Caucasian, decently handsome, early thirties, athletic build. Into fashion, art shows, nice restaurants, antique stuff. Type: liberal, bookish/artsy, intellectual, slim, probably with glasses
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:59 PM
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Not your average bar, no, and I don't go to nightclubs. Most conversations and connections I have come from either going out on my own to places like cocktail lounges/wine bars, interesting cafes, or just going about to do things I wanted to anyway (art galleries, concerts, etc). I find it easier to meet people when I can identify what my "type" is and approach people who give off signs that they're open to talking, or signs of interest in me. I've met both friends and dates this way. There's al…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:45 PM
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Agreed, it should be fairly easy for a man with a decent diet and exercise routine to maintain 10% body fat or thereabouts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:27 PM
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I've decided that I'm either very attractive in ways that more than make up for my flaws or else that absolutely every guy in this sub has no idea how to talk to women, because I do just fine with asking out women in real life and the consensus seems to be that that's impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:26 AM
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You're missing another obvious explanation: most modern men are pathetic, apathetic, or schizophrenic when it comes to social interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:22 AM
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Yep, always a balance in the cosmos.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:13 AM
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But true.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:05 AM
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I know how everything ends. We all die.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 04:00 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:55 AM
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What if all of this is a just a long-game play by her lazy husband to get her to do just that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:35 AM
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And now we have accepted it too. It is a part of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:34 AM
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That's probably because you mated with the queen bee, genius!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:32 AM
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Something, something... fences and good neighbours... something.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:29 AM
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Charles Darwin's true work has been betrayed for centuries. The reality is that we share a common ancestor with apes AND apiaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:26 AM
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Strange abs, but ok. Good arm size, wtf is going on with his chest? No traps either, and he has a douchey beard + close-set eyes. 5/10
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:22 AM
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Boy, do I ever have the perfect theme song for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRgNOyCnbqg
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:19 AM
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It was tongue-in-cheek, but what I'm basically saying is that some men find women just like you very attractive already. Dressing bland could be worked on, though. Ever check out r/femalefashionadvice?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:08 AM
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According to the theory, the patriarchal structure isn't necessarily looking out for the interests of most men either. It wouldn't even be antithetical to women's interests, so long as they served its own. Your example of abortion rights is flawed, however. States like Texas are already trying to make it illegal to go to another state for an abortion, or even if a woman is suspected of trying to do so (like crossing state lines without a man, presumably). Furthermore, this is just one piece of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 03:05 AM
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Could you please never change and move to my city instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:58 AM
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If you want to be alone forever, hurt inside, and wake up every morning only to behold the face of man who is a living source of shame to his family and his ancestors when you look at your reflection in the mirror, then yes you may.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:52 AM
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We could automate a lot more, including most current jobs, but human labour is still far too cheap and corporate owners are too greedy to cut into profits to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:48 AM
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Pirate books are still books, matey!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:37 AM
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Ugh! My god, man, that was painful just to read! You need a better grooming routine. Start with tweezers, for goodness' sake!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:36 AM
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Sure, that's a strategy. Really, I'm just curious how many have thought about later years and what their plans are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:33 AM
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But my point is that non-agriculturally based societies were still patriarchal, so I don't think that model works in all cases. It definitely starts with paternity and the family unit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:31 AM
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All right, which one of you fuckers was this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-y9SwyVnpc
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:22 AM
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I think the difference is that it seems many men these days are unhappy being single, and that RP men in particular are wary of marriage in general. This creates a bit of a problem in later life, from what I can tell, but I've never really heard a coherent plan from them on what they propose to do at that stage. Even this thread seems to have varying suggestions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:19 AM
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Oh, it definitely has to do with him being a jerk still. That meme is great because it illustrates that kind of tiny-sliver-of-affectedness that makes them wonder.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:14 AM
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That's totally understandable in that case. I'm not one for casual dating these days either, but I did so up to about 23.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:11 AM
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Patriarchies aren't really the point, though. The idea of the Patriarchy is basically synonymous with corporate-Christian-sexist structures, in the theory. I'd dispute the suggestion that historical patriarchal structures are a result of agriculture, though. We know for a fact that proto-Indo-European peoples were mainly hunter-gatherers and warlike, and domesticated animals were used for textiles, battle, food, and sacrifices, but not really for plowing. Some late examples include the Scythians…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:06 AM
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Hang on, his MIL had her first daughter at 15?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:55 AM
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That's not a bad rule of thumb, actually. I'd say I'm fairly similar, although I have dated women up to 14 years older than me (casually).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:51 AM
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But the reason that the homophobia in my example would matter is because of the legal implications for gay people, just like in this one. It's not a question of whether gay people exist, but what they're entitled to. The senator was the one making it about identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:47 AM
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It worked for George Bernard Shaw, Flaubert, and Maxwell Perkins, who all conducted long affairs by correspondence. Nowadays it would be so rare that it just might grab her attention, but not so supplicating and intrusive as to be an entirely bad move. Plus, if nothing comes of it at least you only need to compose one and send it off.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:43 AM
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They aren't materially equals, but they are social equals. Both of their families are Anglo-Norman gentry, and Elizabeth even argues this to Darcy. In England and British-derived societies, what matters more than your material circumstances is your breeding - i.e. who your ancestors were and what your name is. This is a huge theme in novels of this type. I don't know if women are really drawing that kind of distinction, though. Maybe they are, but I think that they like both. Women's ideal man, …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:39 AM
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I still think the point was that the senator was dismissing the possibility that trans people could be included in the document/statement/whatever. It would be like some asshole saying that a marriage law only pertains to a heterosexual relationship. That would be homophobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:34 AM
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There used to be a lot of internet chatter around how men were supposedly chasing young women in middle age in their "field reports." I don't hang out with unmarried 40 year-olds, so I cannot say.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:32 AM
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Not really. Darcy and Elizabeth are technically social equals in the novel, although Darcy himself simply lacks social grace and thinks himself above her because he's a dunderhead at first, but realizes that he was in the wrong when he's rejected and then starts to behave more like a gentleman. I'm glad you brought this up, because it's a perfect example of what I believe about this whole "Nice Guy" stuff: The key point here is not that Mr. Darcy is becoming nicer and that this is attractive, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:29 AM
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The point is that there's currently a lot of BS going on in the USA regarding abortions because some people who can get pregnant are not encapsulated by legal terminology. It's actually less of an identity thing and more of a legal rights problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:13 AM
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Um, that kind of is the point of Price and Prejudice. At least in the original book/film.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:07 AM
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Oh, I know what you mean (dare I say I'm aware?), but I don't think I'm unattractive at all. I'm just interested in the abstract concepts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:06 AM
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I think it changes somewhat depending on age. For example, I've heard from several 23-27 year old women that they wouldn't mind a (non-transactional) relationship with a man either their age or up to 35, even for the younger ones. Once women get up to about 30, though, I imagine that they would rather he be closer in age to them, and particularly once they near 35 and 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:02 AM
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I was getting lots of action from 19-23 year old girls when I was 17-18. Granted at the time I was extremely athletic (I'm also objectively more handsome now simply due to maturing).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:54 AM
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But the self is an illusion, so awareness cannot have one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:52 AM
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14-17: "She saw men portrayed on the wall, the images of the Chaldeans portrayed in vermilion, wearing belts on their waists, with flowing turbans on their heads, all of them having the appearance of officers; a likeness of Babylonians whose native land was Chaldea. When she saw them, she lusted after them and sent messengers to them in Chaldea. And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoring lust. And after she was defiled by them, she turned from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:48 AM
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I don't know if we're going to be able to fill the void of a classical education, which tangentially always touched upon topics like love, romance, desire, and rejection, with courses teaching neurotic and anxious kids how to hyper-analyze yet another topic of human nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:43 AM
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Unless you're Catholic. Then it's practically a condiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:38 AM
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What about when they hit 40, 50, 60 years old and/or can't get younger women? Just stop having sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:35 AM
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Sometimes, even bible verses can be entertaining (Ezekiel 23:20): "She lusted after her lovers in Egypt, whose phalluses were like those of donkeys, and whose emissions were like those of horses."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:16 AM
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I don't even know why guys would waste their time bothering women who aren't enthusiastic about talking to them. Unless, of course, they didn't really care what she had to say about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 11:22 PM
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Maybe what a lot of men consider average isn't really average.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 11:18 PM
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Wife
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 11:17 PM
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See, this is one of the reasons those guys who go for STEM jobs are missing out. If you had stayed in art school, you could be painting in a studio and getting your bills paid by a rich, sophisticated socialite. Formal parties and champagne - silk sheets and caviar. But nooo... you just had to be a traditional guy...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 11:15 PM
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Some plants have seeds that are basically LSD.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 11:04 PM
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See, mine would just blink a few times and ask if I needed some chemicals or if I dug deep enough. hahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 10:34 PM
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It was fucking hardcore, all right. I was weightlifting 4-5 days per week and going heavy at the same time (competitions). One of my dates told me she could see my abs through my t-shirt and was feeling them up in a restaurant. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 10:33 PM
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Honestly, I don't necessarily go for the hottest women either - mostly because what's considered the hottest today isn't really my preference. I generally aim for my type, which in attractiveness ranges from about 5-8 (again, in modern standards).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 10:29 PM
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Anything in real life? Sometimes even though women get a lot more attention, wanted and unwanted, they still have to put themselves out there (often!) in social situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 10:26 PM
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This forum would be a hell of a lot better if it didn't have so many damned people posting on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 10:23 PM
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Considering she's nerdy, if you want a real, slightly-offbeat-but-maybe-mad-enough-to-actually-work suggestion: conduct an affair by love letters. Not video calls, not sporadic trips, but letters.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 10:20 PM
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That's fine. As long as you're in favour of lying in general, I suppose it's as valid a view as any.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 10:14 PM
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But there isn't anything really suspicious about it. His wife is acting up and he's obviously distressed about that, but from the story we have there isn't anything that really indicates to me that she's being duplicitous. Annoying perhaps, but not suspicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 09:56 PM
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Do you have a problem with women lying about sleeping with a handsomer man behind your back, or saying she's on birth control when she's not because she wants a kid? What about pretending to be a virgin or lying about her weight?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 09:53 PM
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Right, I'm not saying she's acting like a perfect angel either, but look at the replies on this thread. Seems like people are quick to assume it was cheating, which to me sounds a bit insecure. Then again, the guy is on reddit talking about his marriage problems...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 09:43 PM
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You do realize that having a certain identity doesn't mean you have a particular type of politics, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 09:37 PM
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Nonsense like what? Asking about how people would prefer to be addressed?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 09:36 PM
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It kind of sounds like the husband is soft on her friend and that they weren't really having fun on the weekend. And of course it's out of character: she sounds like a mom who wishes she could still go out and do stuff and trashed her costume/missed her flight because she didn't want to go back. It's really not uncommon. Could she have cheated? Of course that's possible. But jumping to it as a possibility right away is a little hysterical, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 09:18 PM
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If you want them without being super skinny: keto dieting + intermittent fasting and compound exercises. I was walking around at 8% body fat, peak condition and felt fantastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 09:07 PM
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Technically, it is. And it was practised among the aristocracy of Europe for a very long time before it became part of public discourse - even in societies as repressed as Victorian England. One simply didn't ask, stayed together for the good of the household and patrimony, and that was that. It is only we moderns that have put some strange and unnatural significance on this nebulous state called The Serious Relationship. For most of human society, it was marriage or not married, with nothing in…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 09:02 PM
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This is not just my own observation. This is what I've seen, what I know from bisexual/pansexual friends and family members, and it's the consensus in many queer and academic circles. Many straight men have a hard time accepting bi women as really queer. I don't mean that all straight men think that way, but it is a common view. Just like not all straight women will refuse to date bisexual men, but it happens often enough to be worth mentioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 08:56 PM
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This is confusing monogamy with chastity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 08:44 PM
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Not true. What you're trying to say is chastity, not monogamy (i.e. staying committed to one partner vs having a single partner with whom they stay in a formal relationship). It is uncommon for primitive societies to practise monogamy, but this increases with the sophistication of civilizations. Moreover, there is ample evidence in the historical record for more or less monogamy being more prevalent in certain shared cultural contexts, regardless of status.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 08:40 PM
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On this sub? It usually means the guy is butt-ugly and wants a harem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 08:34 PM
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Who should you be grateful towards?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 08:33 PM
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If I've learned anything from the internet, it's that new step dads usually end in surprise threesomes with bad acting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 08:32 PM
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I made a sophisticated argument against the Book of Genesis at around 8 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 08:30 PM
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I still stand by my other post. It is true that a university isn't a job school, but it is also true that you need degrees to get certain jobs. The point is that many of those jobs can be had with degrees that don't obviously relate to the profession. Lawyers could have a BA in Feminist Studies, Classics, History, Theatre, etc. A teacher could study anything. A librarian often starts in English or History, but could also have done something else, etc. You are correct that sitting in a classroom …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 08:26 PM
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Hard to get those Ruskie drugs, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 08:06 PM
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I'm assuming you think she had some kind of affair? At an anime convention? From reading the actual post, none of it sounds very suspicious to me. It sounds like she wanted a weekend away with her friends, partied a little too hard, Jane is a stick in the mud, and she doesn't want to talk about it because she probably feels like a bad mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 08:05 PM
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The ones who want that are going about it the wrong way anyway; the best course of action would be to transform into a giant dildo. Oh wait...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:58 PM
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Non-committal also means not being committed to a course of action. You trust them, but you don't trust them. You don't seem to believe that promises have any binding effect. You "trust that they believe what they are saying," but you don't actually trust what they are saying yourself. I'm telling you, my boy, your political future is bright.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:55 PM
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Seriously. Why on earth would anyone try to justify that behaviour?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:50 PM
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The problem is that you're a bisexual women, so of course straight men are going to be fine with it because they fetishize the thought of you two together. They don't actually believe that you'll leave them for a woman, and/or that women can have real sex together.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:48 PM
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Man, you should run for office with that kind of non-committal attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:46 PM
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For to account for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:39 PM
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I don't think self-doubt is a turn off in either sex, not in my experience. Self-doubt is often confused with lack of confidence, and this latter thing is a turn-off. But the opposite of confidence is not self-doubt; it is low self-esteem. Overt self-doubt and oversharing of all one's insecurities is never fun, but neither is the impossible task of pretending like you have no insecurities or that you should be infallible (the two things that lead to the fragile ego).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:37 PM
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A man must earn 60% above the national average to be seen as marriage material. Why bother trying when the divorce rate is high and it's easier to work minimum wage, play games and jerk off to porn? He never has to worry about being rejected and feeling like shit. He does not have to put on a performance to prove himself. He doesn't have to spend hours searching or trying to learn how to flirt and increase romantic tension. He doesn't have to spend hours in the gym either. Because 1) ideal versi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:32 PM
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He must earn more than average to make up for any shortcomings including height. Where are you getting this information? Not at work, because that's a lawsuit waiting to happen. Not at the gym because women have made it clear they are just there to work out. If you join a hobby club that's more money you need to spend. If you are lucky you have a friendship group that may have some women among them, at least on the periphery. Now you have to approach, and deal with rejection. If you were not suc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:19 PM
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If the prospect of being alone forever is not MOTIVATION enough for young men to work on themselves and become more attractive, maybe their inner psyche is broken. In which case, it hardly matters what they want because nothing will stimulate them anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:03 PM
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Because online doesn't allow for some people's personal strengths to come through, and basically forces you to select for looks only. Furthermore, a lot of stated requirements like height aren't as big of a deal in person. It's also perfectly possible that 9 out of 10 of those guys actually were weird about their interactions because they never learned and were never taught how to socialize properly or make their intentions known in a non-weird manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 07:00 PM
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Yeah, it's more fragile ego than actual self-doubt that is the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:54 PM
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Oh, come on, these might as well be in the sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:51 PM
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Maybe it's because they hate it when a comparative adjective is improperly used instead of an adverb?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:49 PM
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Very well: "When in the Course of manly events, it becomes necessary for some ugly dudes to dissolve the dating-pill bands which have connected them with others, and to assume among the attractive people of the earth, the separate and superior station to which the Laws of Evolutionary Biology and of the Judeo-Christian Death Cult entitle them, a begrudging respect to the opinions of other guys requires that they should declare the causes which compel them to virginity. We hold these truths to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:43 PM
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"It is very important to me that this female doesn't care about my employment status, because I refuse to provide anything for her at all. Besides, I think degrees are worthless and I don't like school anyway."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:26 PM
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"Not scented candles, those are for pussies. She must rub her feminine pheromones on all the furniture, so that she will be irresistibly drawn to my own odours in contrast."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:24 PM
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Who needs therapy when you have this subreddit?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:22 PM
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So? That was big beta bucks back in those days! You kids are soft. I remember having to filch beta nickels from my dad's table drawer to buy a ticket to Lollapalooza, Chicago because the baby Chads would bully me. I invested my first beta buck in Personality Stocks and never sold, even during the big beta crash of the 2010s. I'm no Billy Beta... I'm William Bradburn Buckingham-Betason III, and I'm here to buy flowers and befriend your girlfriends. And I'm all out of flowers.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:19 PM
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"I want a harem of virgin, submissive, agreeable, SAHM-type females who never even kiss anybody and would be ashamed of touching another man or going out in public with a man's permission or an escort of similarly traditional females or eunuchs. I also want one of these females to be my favourite and to compliment me and my manliness, and she mustn't be taller than me or wear high heels because I'm height sensitive, and she must also be desirous of my affections whenever I do desire them, and be…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 06:06 PM
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If you go through life believing that all women are lying to you, instead of understanding what they're actually saying, then you're going to have a very hard time finding a real connection. None of those things are what women have told me, anyway. They're things that I know men and women do in my social sphere, because different types of people have different objectives. If you aren't their type, it isn't going to matter whether you're attractive or make a lot of money - you won't even be on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 05:51 PM
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Ooh, yes. A fair few men in my area do wear floral shirts and such, but it would be fun on a jacket. Tom Ford does a lot of that for men. I also like some embroidery, and border colours on things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 04:50 PM
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When I was your age, minimum wage was only two Beta Bucks per hour!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 04:47 PM
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Height sensitive Condensed Foot-soldiers Smol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 04:45 PM
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I believe it. I was raised learning how to dress for different occasions and always had an interest in fashion and style. It has always been a huge advantage. Patterns are great! Even with basic ones there are so many variations in stripes and checks that used to be more prominent. But more colourful and bold would be interesting. I'm also still a fan of ties in knits, fancy patterns, and soft blends and textures.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 04:26 PM
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I agree, but they often do confer things like status to make up for it, especially your examples of academia and psychology. Of course, people with high status can be in other fields that don't require so much intelligent quotient. I definitely feel like people can be shortsighted about this kind of thing. Bodies fail, beauty fades, and at a certain point you're going to need things like accomplishments, intelligence, and social circles to get anywhere or lead a fulfilling life in later years.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:17 PM
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Absolutely, though for some of us it never left! (I'm obsessive about the proper fit on me) I think a lot of men could benefit from expanding their horizons a little. A lot of so-called "women's brands" have great lines for men, like Lululemon lounge clothes. Also traditional accessories like scarves, which have always been unisex, are starting to be marketed specifically for men and with men's colour/style preferences in mind (thinking Hermes). A lot of men's clothing is either too tight or too…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:13 PM
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I am fairly intelligent, yes. I'd understand if a woman wanted someone taller than me (5'8"). Most women I've been with have been my height or shorter.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:08 PM
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In my experience, it's usually the case that being intelligent gives you an appreciable boost if you're slightly above average, or higher. Not so much if you're unattractive. But that's still a boost given by intelligence alone, not because of what it can "get" a woman later. Intelligence is highly heritable, and people realize that on an instinctual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:06 PM
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That's fine. I do too. She has to have a height!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:04 PM
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Same here. I specifically look for women who are intelligent, regardless of what their education level is or their occupation. It's a dealbreaker for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:59 PM
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Not here maybe, but it comes up in threads every time I mention that kindness is not an inherently unattractive trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:56 PM
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Yes, I think he started the trend in that direction, but early dandies and followers of Brummell still had more flair than what we see today. Modern men could do with a little inspiration from the Regency, IMO. Scarves, for example... You're right that strict tailoring and minimalism was started by Brummell.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:54 PM
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Your assertions are in direct conflict with what I know about the women in my social circles. Most of them do not care about how much money a man makes, as long as it's similar to what she makes, because they are already fine on their own. And they're already selecting within their own social status, so they don't need men to provide it for them. Things like intelligence, shared interests, etc., become more important. Of course they're also looking for attractive people, because that's what they…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:53 PM
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Obviously. I'm not saying it's every woman, but to say that intelligence isn't valued by itself at all is just patently false.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:47 PM
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Actually, I'd argue that Brummell didn't make clothes boring: he made it fashionable to wear sporting clothes in the city and to concentrate more on detail than elaborateness. But men were still wearing very colourful clothing in the evenings, putting their own spins on accessories, designing new coats, etc. It was Lord Bulwer-Lytton (the man who coined the "it was a dark and stormy night" line in one of his novels), who first wrote in his novel, Pelham: Apropos of the complexion: I did not like…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:06 PM
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These are both so hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:56 PM
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I'm here for all the comments about what an unattractive man your husband is because he did something caring. (sorry, this just really illustrates a point I've been making recently: acts of kindness are not unattractive if done from a place of strength)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:52 PM
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That's nonsense. What you're talking about is if intelligence were the primary thing that mattered. I know lots of women who totally fall for guys who are really passionate about a subject/profession/hobby, even if it's not translatable to earning potential. You just can't be butt-ugly and expect the same attention. Socrates, by the way, had plenty of status even if he chose a more eclectic lifestyle. The main reason for his conviction and sentencing was because of his rumoured connections with …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:47 PM
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Honestly? I used to do this sometimes, meaning asking women out before I really got to know them/had a connection, but I find it's mostly a waste of time and just not fun. Some guys also don't take all those rejections well, and then they end up on the internet feeling depressed. I find it much more sane, human, and (quite frankly) smooth to strike up a conversation with a woman who's showing interest and ask her out if we're feeling a connection. Meeting women through social introductions or fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:36 PM
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I apologize if I jumped the gun, but these: it has always been the least fiscally responsible option. Pay a ton/accrue debit AND lose working hours all to make a dollar or two more an hour w/o any title change? Most University are liberal brainwashing mills anyway seemed to lean in that direction. Most university-educated people who belong in university are not just making a dollar or two more than they would otherwise. A lot of jobs aren't even available to people with a certain degree level - …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:25 PM
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True, they're not applicable to most, but I don't think those are the only ones to consider. Most women are looking for someone who's in the same basic socioeconomic status, and a lot of younger women these days are holding off for relationships with people in their social circle (i.e. near them in status) rather than casual sex. Status matters not in the sense of "you must always achieve higher status," but rather that it's the main thing that guides you in figuring out your "type" and who's li…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:17 PM
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Evolution isn't about producing the most offspring. Evolution is simply the mechanism by which advantageous survival traits are transmitted, over the course of eons and often in a volatile manner, to successive generations. The process of evolution is about evolving, that's it. As u/ririsbaby pointed out above, reproduction isn't even the purpose of our species, but simply a means to ensure its survival. Our purpose as men isn't just to pass on our genes as much as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 03:30 AM
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I think a lot of men on here are just really clueless about how much status affects some of the outcomes they're seeing, or how important it is in forming lasting relationships with someone of a given status.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:44 AM
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You're confusing status with earnings. They are not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:42 AM
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Was going to write a much longer post, but just upvoting this one instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:40 AM
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People watch The Office in order to talk to women? I watched it when I was a teen because I had a silly sense of humour. Beyond that, I tend to agree. I'll get a haircut, take of my skin, stay fit, etc., for myself and my own enjoyment, and these things simply happen to be attractive. I definitely don't plan any of my professional choices around women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:30 AM
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Oh, come on, you know they're going to take it seriously around here...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:24 AM
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Why would anyone want to look older than their actual age after teenhood?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:22 AM
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Actual food. Oh, it's Subway subway? Nvm
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:21 AM
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I'm not getting butthurt. You asked for an example of sexism, and I gave you one. What's sexist about it is that JP is assuming he knows what a fundamental role is, applying it to an entire sex, and then assuming that this is what motivates women. It is not a given fact that women 1) have a fundamental role, 2) have it in common, or 3) share a nature because they share a gender. He's also confusing the concepts of gender and sex, which is elementary biology. When you assume normative definitions…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:18 AM
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But doesn't that sort of negate your argument about worthless degrees, though? It sounds like there aren't any bad degrees, only bad/mistaken students. And you're wrong about non-STEM degrees. I personally know plenty of people with those degrees who are definitely successful. It just depends on what you define as success, and what you're willing to do to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:10 AM
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Your implication that getting a degree is worthless is just so untrue. You can't look at the total amount of grads to determine this, because most kids were pushed into fields and studies that they shouldn't have taken in the first place, or were always going to underperform. Of course they don't end up making much. Besides, higher education isn't supposed to be a job school. In any degree that isn't directly applicable to a job, you're there to become a learned person, period. Treating it like …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 02:07 AM
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Yes, but it doesn't matter if he's saying that men are soft or not. The point is that his generalizations about women's "fundamental role" (which is pure hubris to conceptualize) is sexist. OP asked for an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:56 AM
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It's definitely a prejudice. A fundamental feminine role? How is it obvious that women, collectively, have any kind of fundamental role beyond what they choose to do, just like us?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 08:50 PM
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I agree, but I think the conversation has shifted a little more in recent years on/offline to where some people propose that women have some kind of fundamental nature that predisposed them towards assuming those historical roles, when in reality those roles were largely based upon religious models and not even historical in every culture or time period.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 08:41 PM
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OP asked for an example, not multiple ones. I'm sure it's possible to find others. He said routine, not ritual (although to be fair we don't know to which culture he was referring), and the Sabine Women myth had nothing to do with ritual - that was out and out kidnapping. Regardless of whether it is a ritual, however, he suggests that college-aged women have a "deep repugnance for the role that they've been designed [assigned?]." This is a classic example of deciding that women cannot possibly b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 08:25 PM
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I'm not saying that there aren't far-left thinkers in university, or that a lot of nonsense goes on around guest speakers, but your assertion that the majority of professors in the Liberal Arts are indoctrinating their students is simply wrong. Most of the time they can't even get those kids to read the damn syllabus! The only thing my professors ever encouraged me to do was to have an open mind, examine things objectively and with reason, and to be willing to challenge my own/others' assumption…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 08:18 PM
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Have you been to university? This isn't the way it is at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 08:13 PM
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Except that there is no evidence that modern college women are "angry at men" in the way he suggests, and it is quite confused to say that it is a fundamental feminine role (mistaking gender for sex), to say the least. It's tantamount to saying that it's a fundamental masculine role to assault people and that modern men are angry at women because they cannot assault them. The existence of BDSM enthusiasts doesn't make it less sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 08:12 PM
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I vastly prefer a woman who has at least an undergraduate degree. If not that, at least one who does something in a creative field (art, music, design) or who demonstrates high intelligence in some other way. I do not want a dependent woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 08:06 PM
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And you think they "get indoctrinated" with that in university or college? That's total BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 08:05 PM
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Freaking love the "I'm a depressed child!" reaction. Kid's trying to reason with her lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 08:01 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wynnme92g_o At 1:25, he suggests that modern college women are angry at men on a primal level because they are being denied their fundamental feminine role of being forcibly abducted by a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 07:54 PM
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I was just kidding, internet is hard for jokes. Good luck with the process
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 07:22 PM
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I know. It's a generationally unfortunate affliction process.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 07:19 PM
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lol everyone knows your teeth are in your head. Why would you put braces on your legs, then? Just kidding. But really, why aim for 4/10? Try for a 5 at least, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 07:17 PM
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Who is this guy? Who tf names their child something like 'Tate'?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 07:14 PM
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4/10 women can still run so joke's on you, cripple.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 07:10 PM
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Yeah, 7.5
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:39 PM
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See, that's the issue. 40 in base-8 is just under my deal-breaker limit of 33, and I don't want to date someone who's that light in the head-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:38 PM
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It's so simple that only a child can do it!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:25 PM
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It's kind of hard to agree or disagree, since the 10-point system is slightly arbitrary. I think I'm a little less harsh than some on looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:25 PM
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I see what you mean, but we need to make this propagandistically palatable. Sounding a "strategic retreat" on a war trumpet at the critical moment simply films better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:20 PM
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Commutative communication. Isn't this a dating sub? It matters whether the war was in 1812 or 3424.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:05 PM
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I think so, for sure. A lot less paranoia about the average person's intentions too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 05:48 PM
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It seems like he placed more emphasis on settling down than being unrealistic about his chances with his preferred type. I'd feel neutral about this. He's technically making a good call.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 05:45 PM
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(Type-O Negative lyrics) Pain is pleasure, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 05:40 PM
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No but seriously, I always try to ascertain a woman's number count during the first date. I count in base-10 and it simply won't work out if she uses base-8.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 05:39 PM
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Afterwards you can produce a vast litter of brats, the holy grail of natural selection!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 05:36 PM
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If you want to seal the deal, you must engage in chasing, neck-and-flipper biting, and embracing, like a real seal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 05:34 PM
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Would you suffer eternally or internally?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 05:32 PM
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Will you repent your intentions, or would you rather be punished?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:58 PM
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How are we to verify the purity of the deceptive siren before us if we do not invade her privacy?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:54 PM
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Men, it isn't hard to figure out a woman's body count. Every woman keeps a perfect record of all her sexual encounters in a woman-diary. This diary is a necessary part of being a card-carrying woman. EVERY WOMAN HAS ONE. For REAL. All you have to do is slip past the cat-guards in her bedroom and have a peek. Then you can literally put your mind at fucking ease.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:51 PM
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Beauty doesn't last forever, you know. At some point everyone has to make a living, unless they get lucky in marriage or win the lottery.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:27 PM
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She told me how many confirmed kills she had, we started talking about her deployment, and there was a second date.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:22 PM
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Than already having attained some arbitrary standard of money/career success or life goal, which can vary from person to person. The attractive/responsible thing is having the drive and ambition to move forwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:18 PM
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I personally hate the fact that texting is so prevalent. It's more or less like sliding your crush a note in elementary school and hoping that they come and talk to you later. I'm not sure it's possible to have real connections over text without some level of face-to-face interaction. As for your question: sometimes women simply aren't interested, overwhelmed with messages, just on the apps for attention's sake, or simply busy. There are lots of possibilities, but the point is that if you're not…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:15 PM
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I agree with this, particularly the notion that it's more important to be working towards things/have some drive and purpose in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:08 PM
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I personally have the wingspan of a majestic albatross, and take great pleasure in strolling about with arms akimbo, alternately flapping and unfurling my limbs in the faces of would-be passers-by as I intimidate them with my greater wingedness. I'm reliably informed that the ladies find this feature of mine irresistibly fetching.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:03 PM
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Basically, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:55 PM
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As long as he's assuming all the other factors that may play a role beyond status, then possibly. His point, however, was that "having one's shit together" plays little part in getting a girlfriend/wife because people of lower socioeconomic status seem to reproduce more. This not only equates romantic success with the number of children, but also erroneously implies that the standard for shit being had together is identical across social groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:51 PM
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Sorry, it's been edited. I'd direct the OP/anyone else who cares to my comments in that thread. The article in that thread is also jumping to conclusions, and says very little about actual natural selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:39 PM
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That's because it's socio-economic status. Even if a woman makes less than a man, it's very likely that they fall within the same social class for long-term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:36 PM
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The trouble is that the statement is equating having children with being romantically successful. Some people don't have kids yet, don't want kids yet/at all, etc. That doesn't mean they aren't pairing off at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:34 PM
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I refuse to do something on my own that used to be offered as a service. That is why I never fill my own tank of gas, but wait in my car until an attendant arrives.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:31 PM
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I work for a super secret spy agency, so I know a lot about people's lives. I can tell you what you say in your sleep, if you like.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:28 PM
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If you guys are asking women that you really like to "hang out" with you, it's no wonder you're getting ghosted left and right. Equally so if you have to specify it's a date (meaning you were dumb about announcing your intentions).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:24 PM
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That's because every conversation is a fight to the death!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 02:49 PM
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I have not misinterpreted Darwin. Instead, you have misinterpreted the mechanism by which trait preferences are selected. Why would women select traits that seemingly grant no advantage, or is even maladaptive? What is this "charm?" These questions have been answered in several ways by sociologists and biologists when it comes to human beings, but I shall only mention what I consider the prevailing theory. A trait that only offers some "charm" might seem to be one that is more or less useless or…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 01:28 PM
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Just have to pick your battles, I guess. I don't think it's feasible to approach women every minute of the day either, and I have other responsibilities, so I'd rather maximize my opportunities by approaching at social occasions/venues.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 12:29 PM
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This is like the sub's version of "elbows too pointy."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:11 AM
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Right, and that's partially because there are multiple factors at play. You could boost your status within a given social group without necessarily being part of another one, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 02:51 AM
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Holy fuck. And people today were trying to convince me that men don't need self-care.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 02:33 AM
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I think status has interplay with wealth, but it is not a 1:1 ratio at all. Pierre Bourdieu, a French sociologist, wrote a lot about this. Essentially, people possess varying amounts of real capital (money, assets, possessions, etc), social capital (your friends, connections, ancestry, cachet of your profession, etc), and cultural capital (your knowledge of finer things, tastes, education, manners, etc). These things work collectively to make up your overall social status. It is a hard slog, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 02:29 AM
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This is what I've been trying to get through to this sub. Status is a much bigger consideration than people think when it comes to a lot of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 02:14 AM
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Pfft. Bidet... using a stream of tappy water like a caveman. My golden loo is equipped with a state-of-the-art 1000W laser that completely zaps the skin off my derriere, rendering my anus literally cleansed by fire.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 02:11 AM
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I have worked everything between 80-90 hours to 8 hours per week, and the common thing I find is that it isn't the amount of work I do that matters to me - it's how flexible my schedule is. An ideal career allows me to work as little or as much as I want every week, as long as I'm meeting deadlines.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 02:00 AM
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Aaaaannnd... this is the reason women ask you to treat them like people and individuals too! Who knew?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 01:55 AM
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I normally charge it to my club. 🧐
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 01:53 AM
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This. The sad thing is that it won't even matter; men will still shoot themselves in the streets over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 01:48 AM
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This is perfect to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 01:44 AM
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It's a pure form of desire, certainly. But there are different forms of desire. I have an unyielding, perfect hate for socks with holes in them. It is different from the maniacal hate I feel towards fruit flies, or the terrible loathing I harbour for turnips, but it is pure nevertheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 01:39 AM
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Alcohol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 01:30 AM
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I think it really depends. We can look at a few societies throughout history in which women were directly involved in things like honour-culture and martial valour, but these were mostly supplanted by Judeo-Christian values by mediaeval times. I'm thinking of the Germanic tribes in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 12:21 AM
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I have no questions, but knock 'em dead! My pump-up-for-exam music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd39zSY9F04
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 12:11 AM
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Patsa gnot-she
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 12:11 AM
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I know. They should really be expectations for both genders, but openly appreciated nevertheless. I think we could all do with some extra appreciation these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 12:06 AM
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First!!!!!!1
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 12:00 AM
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True, I didn't mean to imply that higher education was the only pathway to success, although graduating elementary and high school, at least, is always correlated with better financial gains later in life. And I agree that men no longer have to be direct providers for validation, at least not as much as they used to be. Men have a lot more freedom to spend things on themselves, enjoy life, and have a partner who supports their end of the bargain in terms of finances, career, and life goals. Heck…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 12:00 AM
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No, but you might see him with a short, mid-range, Indian woman in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:29 PM
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Ha! If you had such perky poppers plumb bobbing their way through life, you'd let them dangle their deadly droplets off your decollete too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:58 PM
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Aardvark, clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:51 PM
1

I also didn't realize, but mostly because I wasn't checking my phone. Turns out it didn't matter because my service was running just fine, but not for my friends!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 09:56 PM
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I feel like this is a common experience for men, attractive or not, in the modern world with smartphones. It's part of the reason I try not to text very much, unless we're just staying in touch as friends. It ruins the personal interaction. If you're meeting women outside of social circles, this just happens. I don't have any suggestions beyond shrugging it off and trying someone else, because it happens to me too sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 09:42 PM
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A lot of people in my social group at present are paired off or married, so I know that sometimes the social circle thing doesn't pan out right away. There's always room for expansion though. You kinda have to know where they hang out first. I meet a fair few of my first type (artsy, in shape, nerdy/academic, liberal) at work conferences, cafes, and trendier social spots. Vintage stores, comic conventions, alternative clubs. My other type (poised, fashionable, slightly aloof, femme fatale) norma…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 09:37 PM
2

No, you countered by saying that the reason most men don't take care of themselves is because they are treated like shit by women. That's a BS argument, but I said that if that is true, you were unlikely to get women to stop treating them that way simply by telling them it's bad. That isn't blaming men for being treated badly, it's blaming you for sitting back and pointing a finger instead of recognizing that if your argument were true, there would be other, better ways of stopping it from happe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 09:23 PM
1

no ewe
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:53 PM
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Very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:51 PM
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Saying that rapists or other criminals won't change their ways if you try to reason with them is not the same thing as saying that their victims are to blame. I don't know how you even arrive at that conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:49 PM
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See my post above. There are other ways of going about meeting people, but it does require a bit of ingenuity. I wouldn't say that every woman shows interest in me either, but enough do that I can start conversation fairly easily with the ones who are my type. It's a matter of knowing what that (type) actually is and then being able to notice signals.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:47 PM
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Why would anyone care to attract someone like that? Um, someone like what? Someone who values hygiene, self-care, and style? Why wouldn't anyone want to attract someone like that? Did you just DIRECTLY imply that we should not bother trying to stop rape (and victim blame the raped victim to take responsibility based on what you said in your previous post ofc) rapists will try to rape anyways? Don't put words into my mouth. What I said was that merely telling rapists "rape is bad, mmkay?" isn't g…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:43 PM
2

So what you're saying is that we need another big war. I concur with this analysis. Big war good. Much sexy time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:37 PM
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Again, I do not think so. Japan had a very different culture to ours heading into WWII, and their trajectory has been different ever since. Again, why do think that women only care about those two criteria for men's value? Do you think men and women can't develop romance for each other because of who they are? Why do we need social welfare programmes... well, in part for the people living in poverty who would otherwise be starving and homeless, in part for their kids, etc. The point is that I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:36 PM
1

If you text her back while she's unconscious, does her response really count?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:29 PM
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Thank fuck. I hope this happens more so things actually get shook up for a change.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:27 PM
3

The actual definition of a cuckold would be someone whose partner slept with someone else, with or without his knowledge. You can't be cuckolded by someone else's past.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:25 PM
3

Being intelligent comes with its own set of problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:23 PM
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I personally don't think that governments are very interested in helping anyone, men or women. They pay lip service to whatever gets their pundits in power. Schools are concerned with results; they aren't therapy services, nor should they be. Communities vary, but men have a role to play in this as well. A lot of men just aren't active in their communities or much of a community pillar, but there are various reasons for that. Men tend to externalize issues, women to internalize them. I think a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:23 PM
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I think the case with Japan is very different, since they have/had different standards of masculinity and reason for why so many young men are checking out of life. It isn't necessarily only due to economic factors. There has been research done on this topic: http://www.lifestudies.org/press/rls0401.pdf Again, what makes you think that welfare programmes are propping up the lives of most women?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:16 PM
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Most men do not use dating apps, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. And the problem isn't that simple even if a small minority of men are on the apps it will still screw most guys over as women will still get their validation. You said that dating apps are the commonest way that men and women meet. That isn't possible unless that chunk of men was on the dating apps, thereby creating their own issue. It doesn't matter how big the problem is (I never said most). My point is that criteria …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:10 PM
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But that's just it: men aren't going to abandon productive behaviour, because it benefits them too. People need to make a living, and eking out an existence of minimum wage jobs isn't that. People find purpose in their work. Also, it's not as though most women are dependent on the state for their livelihoods. A lot of them make their own money and are well-employed, which is why they don't need men to be providers to the same extent they we were in the first half of the 20th century, for example…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:47 PM
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I just wrote a reply in the megathread on this, in the context of going out by yourself: There are lots of places where you won't come off as odd, if that's what worries you. The key is to adjust the usual venues slightly. Instead of a casual bar with lots of friend groups, go to a wine bar/cocktail lounge/jazz club. You go to enjoy the experience/drinks (which you'll sip slowly anyway) and you'll end up chatting with people naturally (smooth atmosphere, people open to intellectual conversation)…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:18 PM
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Men do not live to look sexy for you. Men are not objects. Of course they don't, but then they can't be said to take care of themselves to a level necessary to attract someone. No, they could benefit from not being treated like shit to have such low self-esteem and shit in the first place. No one should be treated like shit for nothing, I agree. But just like you're unlikely to get rapists to stop raping by saying "this is bad!," you're unlikely to get shitty people to stop doing what they do. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:10 PM
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Ok, so then she's still basing it upon potentiality, not real income. In that case what she's really after is ambition. How is wanting an ambitions-match (in PPD terms) shallow?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:56 PM
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I suppose that depends on whether you're a universalist or a relativist, or a bit of both. The fact remains, though, that logic on its own is not enough to determine morality. So what your question really implies is "what is the standard by which we can adjudge the good?" That's a very big philosophical question, and I'm not sure I know the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:54 PM
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I agree with all of this. And it doesn't make sense, in my opinion, to blame women's sexual selectiveness for these problems. These are mainly societal, personal, and genetic issues. The thing to do is to advocate for better access and services for mental health (something that both men and women can benefit from), push back against this trend of anti-intellectualism that seems to pervade many things today, and develop greater bonds between men on positive grounds. Instead of getting together to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:50 PM
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Do you mean morally good or good logic? Good logic is simply correct logic - but for logic to imply something about good vs bad it needs a moral standard as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:39 PM
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Nevertheless, it is the TL;DR.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:37 PM
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The point is not whether the standard is easy to achieve. If it's something you have already achieved, then expecting someone to reach your level is not shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:36 PM
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So only trash women like decent men? (I think maybe you were responding to the wrong poster)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:35 PM
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The problem is that men are still putting themselves on these dating apps, or else women would simply adapt to find better men. It's a problem of our own creation. I don't think those traits are very much to expect of a man. Is it so much to expect that a man is confident, asserts himself appropriately, has moral principles that he stands by, continues to learn things, can stand on his own two feet, and strives to better his place in the world? Most women understand that not all men are going to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:23 PM
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Um... yes? I do it all the time. There are lots of places where you won't come off as odd, if that's what worries you. The key is to adjust the usual venues slightly. Instead of a casual bar with lots of friend groups, go to a wine bar/cocktail lounge/jazz club. You go to enjoy the experience/drinks (which you'll sip slowly anyway) and you'll end up chatting with people naturally (smooth atmosphere, people open to intellectual conversation). Instead of a regular old Starbucks, drop by the trendy…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:13 PM
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Agreed with this. I have no idea why so many men continue to use these apps - I have much better results in person, several women specifically thanking me for asking them out directly/not asking for their social media first. I think a lot of strengths are also best expressed in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:03 PM
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Definitely depends on the person. I'm chatting right now with an artist friend I met at complete random in a cafe.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:50 PM
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A cynical man would say that the feeling of love is a chemical reaction that occurs in the body and is interpreted by the brain as sensation. Therefore it both exists and occurs in our imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:46 PM
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Well, as a guy who is precisely two inches below 5'10", I think this isn't as much of a problem in person as it is on dating apps. I've said this many times, but IME women don't dislike decent, courteous, or kind men. What they dislike are these traits shown in the absence of the other ones that they also like: confidence, assertiveness, strength (physical or moral/mental), intelligence, self-sufficiency, social status, etc. The problem of many men is that they do not embody enough of the other …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:40 PM
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I agree with this. Logic needs context to be considered a 'good' thing, in terms of morality. The problem is the equation of good and correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:25 PM
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TL;DR: men are being judged mostly by looks, men are going to opt out of being productive, women will rely on the state (and not their own incomes?) but that's a mistake, society will fall apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:01 PM
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But again, with your "beautiful" statement, the point wouldn't be that you didn't intend to cause harm with it or that it's other people's problem - the point would be that it's still a bad statement because of its faulty assumptions. Things don't necessarily have to cause harm to be bad or to be a harmful statement. If I propose that all men are great singers, the problem with that statement is not even so much that men who aren't good singers will feel bad, but that it perpetuates a false imag…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:54 PM
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I know exactly where it originates, thanks. Applying an observation to women as a whole is equivalent to saying that all women share the same characteristic/tendency, which is equivalent to saying that all human females share this trait in their nature. It may be a response to a stupid denial from a blue piller, but it's still a faulty assumption and therefore isn't true. It would be like saying that all men are aggressive and loud. Even though we know that it isn't true of all men, we know that…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:41 PM
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If what you really meant by "earning potential" was lifestyle opportunity, then it still isn't shallow. That's like saying a woman who won't date a man without a degree is shallow. It's only shallow if she A) won't consider a man with the same education level, or B) only cares about education level. Having it as a standard to reach isn't shallow on its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:33 PM
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All right: Believing that all women are awesome and allowing that to influence your behaviour around them will probably result in harm eventually, either because the woman in question will prove herself unworthy of that and fall short, or because you will set yourself up for a disappointment and be harmed by some woman. Treating people as more beautiful than they know they are can actually do harm too. Whether or not you think they need to live up to a standard, they may mistrust your motives, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:25 PM
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When did you say anything about the amount of work? All you mentioned was her preferences regarding earning potential. If someone is simply considering earning potential, that isn't shallow. It would be shallow if that were the only criteria used, or if she wouldn't consider a man earning the same as she does, but you didn't say whether that was the case either.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:09 PM
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Ok, so the question you posed, as far as I can tell, basically boils down to "is a mistaken generalization an inherently bad thing if it is used as positive motivation for improvement by the observer of it," right? But that is a different question from whether the statement itself is a harmful one. It doesn't matter if it is intended to be harmful, or if it is used in a harmful way. I gave you an example (moving up in a company) where racism could be used in a positive way. But that doesn't mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:06 PM
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You want to know what's weird? Thinking that something must be hateful in order to be racist... that's weird. The acronym is not "all average members of the female sex are like that." It isn't even "all average members of the feminine gender are like that." It's literally "all women are like that. That is a textbook example of confusing stereotypical generalizations with reality. It has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with ignorance and wishful thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:56 PM
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It's only shallow if she wouldn't consider dating a man with the same earning potential as she has.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:50 PM
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So, so much of these conversations just boil down to "my standards/desires/needs are out of proportion with myself."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:48 PM
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The fact is that men and women will always stay productive in some way, shape, or form. If a bunch of men decide to take up minimum wage jobs and lift weights instead of working at a trade or profession, there are plenty of others to replace them - both men and machines. It's not like we're running out of people in the world, and the ones near the top of society keep on chugging away. Furthermore, women do not select men purely on the basis of looks in our society; nor are we even trending in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:45 PM
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Speaking as a man: the vast, vast majority of men I've seen most certainly do not take care of themselves to an acceptable level. Most of them could benefit from more self-care, better mental health, better hygiene, and/or better clothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:30 PM
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To be honest, I'd find it a problem if a woman I was dating didn't do all those little things. I love maintaining fancy pillows, soaps, guest towels, scented rooms, etc. I'd hope to find someone who'd obsess about them with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:27 PM
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Yeah, my mom was a SAHM from the moment she had kids, and she would definitely do stuff like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:22 PM
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What does hypergamy (marrying/producing "up") have to do with producing lots of poorly-educated children?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:20 PM
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Malthus has been justly criticized since his law was proposed, even in the 19th century: https://www.jstor.org/stable/658457?seq=21 His model is flawed. The issue of overpopulation in some regions of the world is due more to social, political, and cultural climates than possible resources (as opposed to actual resources).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:18 PM
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I'd like to submit Exhibit A: My Patrilineal, Extremely Rich Uncle into evidence to contest the idea that humans are intrinsically altruistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:11 PM
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Common trends aren't applicable to every individual within a biological or cultural group of people. Associating common trends of behaviour to members of the same race, purely on the basis of their association with that race, is textbook bigotry. It's literally prejudice - the prejudging of someone. If rage bothers you, how about simple competition? It would be the same analogy if that man used internal racism to fuel his desire to ascend to the top of a company (perhaps he's Asian and the CEO i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:06 PM
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It's not true that it doesn't hurt anybody. Saying "all women are awesome/beautiful" sounds all good and fuzzy, but is it? What about men who have been mistreated by women? I'll bet that it hurts to hear someone talk over them about how "no, literally every woman is awesome!" and brush aside their concerns. Or women who aren't beautiful - do you think they aren't affected by pressures to be like all the other girls, or depressed because they can't reach that standard? Of course it hurts people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:01 PM
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And because of the First Law of Thermodynamics, literally nothing in existence is not a substance of nature. That doesn't mean that everything occurs naturally, or that its existence is natural. We have all the elements of a toaster out in the wild, but your argument is akin to saying that the toaster itself is a natural thing. It is not natural (that is, of nature) because it does not occur in nature. Humans are natural; they are of nature. That's your first use of 'natural.' The second way you…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:57 PM
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And they are also similarly untrue statements, even if they espouse positive things. Both of these things are based upon the faulty assumption that members of a given group are all alike. Even if they were making positive statements, they're wrong for that alone. But the fact is that AWALT is almost always used in a sexist way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:58 AM
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To be honest, some of them are probably jealous or secretly wish they were dating your girlfriend, rather than thinking little of you. I'd take it as a compliment and own it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:40 AM
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The point is that even if your outcomes are good, the means used to achieve them can be inherently bad. I'm not sure I need to explain why internal racist rage is a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:39 AM
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This is a low-key flex, isn't it? (I'm slowly getting better at spotting them)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:28 AM
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What if a man uses racist rage to fuel his gym motivation, thereby becoming a more muscular person without hurting others?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:00 AM
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No, natural selection is concerned with passing down genes that aid in survival. Being unhealthy and unable to gain resources are not successful traits, but they are possible to reproduce in great numbers due to the artificiality of our society. This does not imply that those traits are now more advantageous. Furthermore, even if lots of poor and uneducated people are having a lot of kids, that doesn't mean that educated and comfortably-off people are being selected against. In fact, it could me…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:42 AM
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Yep, that'll do it!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:34 AM
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I've never even heard of anyone equating honest compliments with cat-calling before. For what it's worth, I always give a simple compliment to a woman (or man) if I notice something about them I genuinely think deserves it. I've only ever had good responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:27 AM
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Yes, but 'having kids' doesn't necessarily mean squeezing them out of your personal orifice. If it's just one of the couple who's contributed their genes to the kid, that's still them (together) having a kid, IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:24 AM
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That is demonstrably fallacious. You're equating two different definitions of the word 'natural.' Something created by humans is artificial, in that it was manufactured (lit: done with the hands) through artifice, and therefore not naturally occurring. It is absolutely possible to be natural creatures living in an unnatural environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:20 AM
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This is not natural selection. A bunch of poor people with little education having more children in an environment of artificially-high survival rates is not evidence that healthy people with high intelligence are being selected against. The article equates natural selection with birthrates, as if one human was precisely like another and each would have a similar influence on outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:14 AM
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How was each man better than the last in your example? It sounds to me like each one was getting recognition for doing a small, thoughtful thing that any decent man would do. And that's the whole point: a lot of men don't do them. Or, if they do one, it's done in such a way that it's no longer an act that emanates from them personally, but as a thought-out and artificial contrivance to gain approval (the infamous Nice Guy).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:08 AM
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A lot of these answers are going to be deeply tied in to how a man was raised, and his social environment. I've never overheard a group of male doctors, or teachers, or artists complaining that they feel emasculated because they couldn't 'dominate' the people in their social spheres. These men feel a sense of accomplishment and purpose by having a passion, achieving things with it, and having a lasting effect in the world (hopefully for the better).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:59 AM
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That's equivalent to $135 per day, every day of that month and a half. Did you live on Scotch and truffles?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:47 AM
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Woman 7, man 5. Being 40 affects her rating, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:44 AM
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She's way above this guy. His eyes are too close together and squinty.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:40 AM
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Sophia is the best-looking of the bunch, and she and Vera are probably tied for smartest/most active. I think I'd hate Sky's personality, but that's just because we're very different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:38 AM
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You realize gay men can have kids, right? 'Having kids' can mean a surrogate, IVF, etc. It may not have had anything to do with trans women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:32 AM
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Mine are darker than my nipples (white guy).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:28 AM
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Considering that I'm currently forced to share a gender with you, I almost wish you were right.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:53 PM
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That guy clearly sucks, though. If he were really so 'successful' that a waitress is not good enough for him, why would he be going on blind dates in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:24 PM
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Your may has been. You get one internet cookie.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:06 PM
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I don't think that's true. I'm not a virgin, but if anyone who isn't my partner asks me directly for details about my sexual history, I tell them that I don't discuss it. It's called having discretion, and it's valued by quality women (means you won't go blabbing about them afterwards).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:04 PM
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What if the book includes new words?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:01 PM
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I don't think he's fully Caucasian.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:59 PM
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I'm enjoying the fact that you're displaying such a bigoted persona simply on the hunch that I'm a woman. Have you ever stopped to consider the possibility that you're mistaken?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:21 PM
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I take it that you're not actually going to address the fact that you contradicted yourself. Oh well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:03 PM
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I'd say an 8.5, but I know some women who'd pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:59 PM
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Inconvenience, sure. Durability isn't really an issue, since you normally get warranties on the lenses and it isn't hard to get top quality glass ones anyway. They are expensive, I'll grant you that, but you get one titanium frame and you won't ever need another (unless you want it).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:56 PM
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"Hey, who do you think is smarter? The hot guy or the ugly guy?" "Hmm, I don't know, let's give the reject a nuke!" (after explosion) "Guess the other head didn't work either... "
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:53 PM
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Hey, it seems to be weeding out pathetically small-minded men all right.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:51 PM
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Great. So I'm enduring auditory assault from the insectoid version of incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:49 PM
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Some men like them too. I have a super low prescription, so I can choose to wear some kickass frames or not as I see fit. I think that's a win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:30 PM
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What else? Worldly success and opportunity within my lifetime, and a place of authority in the afterlife.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:29 PM
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You wrote: I’m not even going to go into why or how this reduces the value (yes, it sounds harsh but is true) of most women while increasing the value of a minority of men based on criteria that you really don’t want value to be based on if you’re trying to have a successful society. And also: But as a member of society I realize that sexual liberation is an objectively negative thing for everyone not least of all because it has created a caste system based on sexual desirability and prowess and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:26 PM
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Did sell. AMA.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:22 PM
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