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| 22 | Study show people have more sympathy for dogs than for men | TehGinjaNinja | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 07:29 PM | |
| 1 | Testosterone increases reciprocity/generosity in non-competitive situations (x-post /r/science) | TehGinjaNinja | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/13 06:30 PM |
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| 3 | Let's talk generalities. Ladies, be you red blue or periwinkle, how often do you encounter rude unpleasant men? Men, vice versa.The last woman I dated showed up 45 minutes late for our first date and over an hour late for our second. I'd call that pretty damn rude. Needless to say, there was no third date. On a day to day level I currently have have few interactions with women. I work in software and there is only one woman in my office. She's a friendly and highly competent software developer, so everybody likes her. At my prior job, however, my project manager was a woman who occasionally tried to con me (and other lea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/09/14 05:09 PM |
| 2 | What's the deal with sex tourism?Sex tourism is visiting other countries for the purposes of acquiring sex, typically via prostitution. There is a huge difference between that and the RP recommendation to seek relationships with non-western women. The RP position is part of larger critique of western women and culture, which holds that western women have become less feminine, less appreciative of men, and less attractive. Sex tourism is often considered exploitative, as it involves foreigners gratifying their desires with local… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/14 02:19 PM |
| 3 | What's the deal with sex tourism?The Russians, a Slavic people, have managed to build and maintain a large Empire for centuries. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/14 02:06 PM |
| 1 | Female Hypergamy as TRP sees it is a Myth: CMVNot too often, most people have few options and are already pursuing the best options they have. It seems to happen quite often because we naturally focus our attention on the most attractive members of society. They have more options and so have more drama in their lives. Genuine "trading up" is of less concern than "cashing out"; people abandoning relationships (or avoiding them altogether) because they are no longer fulfilling. The collapse of gender norms has made men less masculine and wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/14 10:53 PM |
| 1 | Female Hypergamy as TRP sees it is a Myth: CMVAn older formulation of this concept is "people are as loyal as their options". The propensity of both genders to trade-up is why sexual/romantic jealousy exists. The difference between the sexes is that men are inclined to build harms, so they will fool around on the side but stay with their original partner if they have that option. Women, on the other hand, are inclined to seek a better partner if they have that option. If forced to choose between partners because of social or resource constr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/14 09:08 PM |
| 10 | If 40% of women make the bulk of income in their household, is it still 'hypergamy'?The vast majority of those are single moms... so yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/08/14 08:46 PM |
| 2 | GF (LTR 9mo) working in another country for a month, says she doesn't mind if I bang other chicks meanwhile, how to handle the situation?Rule number 1 of understanding people's actions: 99% of what other people do is about them, not you. What's probably going on here is that she is expecting to cheat on you while she is away. She is giving you a green light to fool around to preemptively assuage her conscience. | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 08:42 PM |
| 2 | "Look at you trying to be dominant" - How to respond to this condescending shit test?You have to remember that a shit test isn't really an insult. It's an invitation to demonstrate dominance. She is challenging you in the hope that you will overcome her. The best way to respond is with "amused mastery"; you laugh it off at the same time you show her you're in charge. Something like this would have been appropriate: "Trying"? You're definitely getting a spanking now! >:) or Don't make me break out my paddle ;) or even the old-stand-byes: You know you love it! and Don't pretend yo… | /r/askTRP | 07/07/14 06:58 PM |
| 3 | If a woman took the red pill, how would it change her outlook on life?It won't look like the outlook of a Red Pill man, because it will be focused on a woman's point of view. The specifics are going to depend heavily on the woman in question and the circumstances of her life. About the only generality would be a more realistic outlook on life along the lines of Why Women Still Can't Have It All, Why 30 Is Not The New 20, The 'Big Lie' in putting off pregnancy, and Feminism Screwed Up My Life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/14 04:39 PM |
| 2 | "Inside the Angry Online Men's Rights Group Called 'Red Pill'"wouldn't even face-fuck you if you paid me. If brevity is "the soul of wit", but vulgar attacks are wit's absence. This absence of substance is why I stopped spending much time on this sub. If you can't add anything substantive to the discussion then you should adhere to the saying: It is better for a man to keep his mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. That said, on to the article: In the wake of Elliot Rodger’s killing spree, it can’t be said enough: These mis… | /r/TheRedPill | 02/07/14 08:26 PM |
| 4 | Does transhumanism invalidate gender essentialism?Would this invalidate the idea that the personality differences between people of each gender is completely down to sexual dimorphism? No, because part of sexual dimorphism is psychological dimorphism. As any transgendered person could tell you, gender isn't simply a matter of your anatomy. Gender is part of your sense of self. If that self is preserved accurately, then the gender will be preserved as well. Frankly, I would expect a transhuman scenario like you describe, to accentuate the differ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/06/14 11:08 PM |
| 5 | What exactly does "objectifying" mean?People don't exist to be accountants or baseball players or anything else. They choose to be those things. It is a partner's choice to give themselves to you which makes a sexual conquest gratifying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/14 02:02 AM |
| 3 | What exactly does "objectifying" mean?if you treat women as sexual conquests rather than people with functional minds and emotions You're failing to understand the appeal of sexual conquest. The fact that another person, with their own functional mind and emotions, is gratifying your desires is what makes it so satisfying. Treating a woman as a sexual conquest isn't a denial of her status as a person; it's an affirmation of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/14 07:26 PM |
| 2 | So basically tonight a college town very close to me had a drive-by shooting, 4 dead, more injured...He is a product of everything Blue Pill gone wrong. Blue Pill guys make excuses for why they don't get laid; they don't go on shooting sprees because of it. The Blue Pill makes people naive not crazy. | /r/TheRedPill | 24/05/14 11:56 PM |
| 0 | So basically tonight a college town very close to me had a drive-by shooting, 4 dead, more injured...What's equally disconcerting is when people of this type get into powerful positions. Look at North Korea, Nazi Germany, Putin's Russia, etc. The leaders of North Korea have all had wives. Hitler had a girlfriend. Putin has college girls making him sexy calendars for his birthday. Anti-social little shits like Elliot don't end up in charge of countries. | /r/TheRedPill | 24/05/14 11:52 PM |
| 1 | So basically tonight a college town very close to me had a drive-by shooting, 4 dead, more injured...You just know "supreme gentleman" is going to become a meme now... | /r/TheRedPill | 24/05/14 11:46 PM |
| 1 | So basically tonight a college town very close to me had a drive-by shooting, 4 dead, more injured...His post indicates he was aware of the red pill. Why? Because he uses the phrase "alpha male"? That's a term TRP adopted from other sources. There was nothing in that creepy video which indicated exposure to red pill thinking. At one point he refers to himself as "the supreme gentleman", no one familiar with the red pill would use that phrase. | /r/TheRedPill | 24/05/14 11:18 PM |
| 2 | So basically tonight a college town very close to me had a drive-by shooting, 4 dead, more injured...Honestly I think TRP could have helped this guy if we got to him soon enough, but maybe not. Probably not. Lots of guys make excuses for why they don't get laid. Very few use it as a justification for a killing spree. This kid was crazy. There was no helping him. | /r/TheRedPill | 24/05/14 11:09 PM |
| 3 | Is Elliot Rodger, the sexually frustrated mass murderer, redpill or bluepill?He's neither, and it's noxious for either side to try and paint him as the other. RedPillers don't go on shooting sprees, and nether do BluePillers. This kid is sitting in a BMW ranting about how unfair his life is. He's frustrated that he's still a virgin, but his solution is shoot people instead of just getting a hooker. This is a mentally disturbed individual. Nothing he says can reasonably be used to implicate any ideological group in his actions, because his actions were a product of his me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/14 11:06 PM |
| 1 | Mediocrity is making me sickYour goals will naturally change over time, as your understanding of the world and your place in it changes and matures. Refining and redirecting your goals overtime is part of the process. i'm completely stale. If you can't think of anything you want, then think of something which would challenge you. Find something hard to do that's even mildly interesting to you, and start wrestling with it. | /r/askTRP | 24/05/14 06:26 AM |
| 17 | Mediocrity is making me sickMediocrity is making me sick You aren't mediocre, you're depressed. Get into counselling. Your university probably has mental health staff. Go get some help. I feel like going to university is the most average thing in the world. Most people in the world never attend a university, so it's not average. why the fuck do I have to live the meaningless zombie-like life. Meaning is what you bring to a thing, not what you take from it. You're shambling zombie-like through life because you don't a have … | /r/askTRP | 24/05/14 12:40 AM |
| 10 | Redpill men (and women), what do you think of advice such as this?Here's a tip: read an article before you link to it. You're not going to get anyone to take you seriously if you can't make an honest argument. The article you link to never even mentions "anal gang-rapes in prison". Instead it discusses the use of sodomy as a means of establishing dominance: He explained to me that one of the ways in jail that guys dominate each other and push someone into submission is with the use of sodomy. The author, acting as a proxy for his ex-con friend, then goes on to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/14 12:52 PM |
| 5 | Reacting when someone else is being attackedSo, what are your rules for intervening, when other people are attacking someone - or being physically threatening someone? If I am responsible for any of the parties involved in the confrontation (i.e. they are a friend, family member, coworker, etc.) then I will intervene. If I am not responsible for any of the parties involved in the confrontation, then I will intervene only if the confrontation is annoying me and intervention doesn't pose a significant threat to me. | /r/askTRP | 05/05/14 02:56 PM |
| 6 | How Dutch women got to be the happiest in the world -- Checkmate feministsYou might want to review this. | /r/RedPillWomen | 22/04/14 01:56 PM |
| 7 | So let's consider TRP's ideal gender roles for a sec. Where's a woman to go?The specifics are going to vary from person to person, but ultimately the answers should be the same as if you asked the question, "What would you do with your time if you didn't have to work for a living?" Feminism came about precisely because being a wife and mother ceased to be a full time job in developed countries. Middle class women (and up) found themselves bored and aimless. The ease of living brought about by washing machines, vacuums, kitchen appliances, and other innovations, made tho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/04/14 05:52 PM |
| 7 | Did we create the STEM gender gap in the USA by lowering expectations for females with the simple idea that males are better at it?"Stereotype Threat", like a lot of concepts in "social Science", isn't as scientific as it's proponents like to claim. Beyond that, the article you link to is an apples to oranges comparison by relying on international test data. Due to the stark differences between the populations, cultures, and educational systems; all the numbers the author is relaying can really tell us is, different populations will have different trend lines when educated differently. That's not really a surprise. There's … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/04/14 01:37 AM |
| 1 | If TRP is about biological realities, why isn't it more international?Thank you for that article, it did clarify your argument about cultural communities in America immensely. I recommend picking up a copy of American Nations for yourself; it's quite illuminating. Our Patchwork Nation (book & website) and The Nine Nations of North America are also worth a look, but they are a bit ahistorical and place too much emphasis on economics rather than culture. I have to ask what the intentions are behind rejecting science... With "science" lets be specific, as people (con… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/14 12:15 AM |
| 3 | If TRP is about biological realities, why isn't it more international?Keep in mind I'm using the terms "liberal" and "conservative", as a sort of short hand in reference to different regional cultures. My use of, those terms won't precisely match the delineations of "red vs. blue" we often use when discussing American politics. For the sake of clarity let me offer this map, which lays out the cultural regions, and this article, which gives an overview of the sort of cultural model I'm talking about. The conservative cultures which I'm referring to are labeled on t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/04/14 03:28 PM |
| 0 | If TRP is about biological realities, why isn't it more international?First of all nobody every argues about how the US's supreme court has bias. If you've never heard anyone argue that the court is (or ever has been) biased in it's rulings, then you simply haven't been listening. They are not allowed to let their bias get in the way of their rulings. They aren't supposed to, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. You say the liberals wage war when you state that it's part of the the conservative culture to impede on other cultures. You say it in the following s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/14 07:43 PM |
| 3 | If TRP is about biological realities, why isn't it more international?No one is taking away peoples right to worship and teach their cultural values. That's not how the conservative cultures see it, and the disconnect lies in the different cultural norms regarding religion in the Liberal and Conservative cultures. The Liberal cultures holds religion to be a private matter and the public sphere to be reserved exclusively for secular matters. The Conservative cultures, by contrast, hold religion to be part of public life. Their commonly professed religious principle… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/14 06:38 PM |
| 6 | If TRP is about biological realities, why isn't it more international?I guess I should be glad you didn't say 'left wing satanists' but really? You think it's entirely liberals who are pressuring people to change? No, but I'm talking about conflicts between cultures, not between a culture and individuals (within said culture) who deviate from its norms. If a conservative doesn't want an abortion they can...not get an abortion. If a conservative culture wants to ban abortion, it can't thanks to decisions by liberal judges. If a conservative is religious and doesn't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/14 02:45 PM |
| 13 | If TRP is about biological realities, why isn't it more international?The shitty thing is, as usual, overgeneralizing from that small subset. Which is exactly what you're doing when you say things like: A culture of individualism and dreaming big individual entrepreneurial dreams is great! We love you yanks for the whole culture of Silicon Valley for example, made possible by individualism. But unfortunately when you have it, you will also have a sub-culture of selfishness. That culture of "individualism and dreaming big individual entrepreneurial dreams" is an el… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/04/14 01:58 PM |
| 7 | Chick Academy: is it real or satire?The "Shutting The Fuck Up" page ends with a picture of a woman with a black eye titled, "This bitch hasn't learned to keep her mouth shut yet". Yes, it's satire. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/14 10:30 PM |
| 11 | Is venting a "female" thing? Is one a "whiny bitch" for wanting to vent?Hit the gym to vent. NEVER vent to women for obvious reasons(display of weakness) ... What, like talking to someone about a bad day I had? Here's a secret: no one gives a fuck. Here's the thing, almost everyone wants to be able to "vent", have their feelings validated, and receive comfort. What /u/ProbablyBeenDrinking was pointing out isn't that men don't want to do this, but that we will most often receive negative reinforcement for indulging that desire. Women and children provoke sympathy whe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/14 08:30 PM |
| 7 | Why doesn't TRP talk about employment? And why is it so preoccupied with value anyway?What I'm always struck by with TRP is that it doesn't discuss the one superficial thing which often does play an enormous role in dating and can indeed trump looks better than any kind of self-presentation: I'm talking about salary, prestige, and education. Because those things matter a hell of a lot less than you think, and they certainly matter a hell of a lot less than self-presentation. You're describing traits that are valuable in a provider, and modern women don't need providers anymore. W… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/14 09:12 PM |
| 1 | What percent of the population do you think RedPill applies to fully? What percent does it apply only partly or not at all?Based on the studies I've read, I'd estimate 60-70% of people will exhibit behavior & preferences conforming to TRP predictions most of the time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/03/14 01:48 AM |
| 4 | Is TRP an authoritarian ideology?TRP is not inherently authoritarian. TRP recommends that men maintain dominance in their relationships with women, because dominance is attractive to most women. Dominance does tend to beget authority, but it is a side-effect, not a goal. In terms of politics Red Pillers run the gamut (I'm well on the left side of the political spectrum) but most seem to be libertarian or conservative (mildly authoritarian). Libertarians tend to be rabidly anti-authoritarian, while conservatives tend to be sligh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/14 01:25 AM |
| 0 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?Context: the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed. Hope that helps; you seem to be having trouble with the concept. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/14 01:48 AM |
| 1 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?I know plenty of men Just because you know people who happen to have penises, does not mean you know men. stubbornly not asking for help should not be regarded as a masculine trait You don't get to decide what does or does not constitute masculinity. When presented with the option when you're lost in a strange area of 1) ask a local who is right there for help or 2) drive around clueless until you accidentally find your way, I just think any logical person should go with option 1. Logic has noth… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/14 01:45 AM |
| 1 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?Asking for help shouldn't be viewed as wrong or weak or feminine. You only think that because you have a feminized mind set. This isn't a question of how it's "viewed"; it's a question of how it feels. This is about natural inclinations, not social conditioning. I never said being masculine is a bad thing No, you just implied the hell out of it. I'm not telling anyone to deny their nature or whathaveyou Right, and neither are right-wing Christians when they try to "cure" gays. After all, their d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/14 12:54 AM |
| 4 | Why does TRP think that it is ok to use dehumanizing labels for people?With weaponry being what it is, if we're talking about all out war between the sexes (which is what would happen in this hypothetical scenario) lots of people would die and everyone would lose. Most of that weaponry is already in the hands of men, who make up the bulk of military and police forces. The fighting would be brief and casualties would be low. I don't have a "female solution" because things would be so fucked already that we might as well all die as a species at that point, if every s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/14 12:38 AM |
| 2 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?I wouldn't call it reasonable to assume that someone is lying when you have no info on the topic. I didn't assume she was lying. I assumed the original author was exaggerating for effect and /u/polyhooly was misrepresenting her arguments... and I was right. The most of the quotes I cited were from the same page of the book as the original quote. The demonstrate the context of the argument. RPW advises women to never challenge their man under any circumstance. That wasn't what was being argued. Y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/14 12:31 AM |
| 3 | Why does TRP think that it is ok to use dehumanizing labels for people?If men collectively decided that women shouldn't be allowed to work or vote or wield any other sort of power, there would be nothing women could do about it. I'm sorry, I don't believe that. Feel free to come up with a plausible scenario in which women could manage a successful resistance to a misogynistic regime backed by all men (or simply a vast majority of men). Also, force is required to maintain authority, but it doesn't have to be brute force, as in, whoever is literally bigger and strong… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/14 10:39 PM |
| 2 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?he probably feels that way because it's a trope in our society No, he probably feels that way because it's his nature (source: it's my nature too). Your, insistence that a fundamental trait of masculinity, a desire for autonomy, is "toxic" is what is harmful here. Masculinity is not a stereotype, it is an identity which emerges from our deepest instincts. It is simply part of who we are. The insistence of feminists that it is all just social programming is analogous to, and just as harmful as, t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/14 10:26 PM |
| 6 | Why does TRP think that it is ok to use dehumanizing labels for people?Society doesn't hinge on who could take who in a fight. Fundamentally, yes it does. Without police to enforce the rule of law via the credible threat of "brute, physical strength" being applied to law breakers, society (as we know it) would quickly collapse. For a very long time, no, women were not allowed to have authority because men made the rules. That's an a-historical statement. Various women wielded political power at many points in history, however they were (like all rulers) dependent o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/14 10:17 PM |
| 3 | Why does TRP think that it is ok to use dehumanizing labels for people?So clearly, in your opinion, this entire sub is irrelevant as is 99% of internet debates and most debates in general. Very true. Internet debates are almost exclusively a form of entertainment. Their only possible relevance is if they are able to persuade someone in the real world to take effective action. Thinking physical force makes for a stronger argument is childish and is frankly a sign of weak intellect. Thinking having good ideas is more important than having the power to enforce your wi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/14 07:49 PM |
| 5 | Why does TRP think that it is ok to use dehumanizing labels for people?"I'm a man which makes me smarter than women because I said so according to me." Where do you come up with this crap? No one said anything about being "smarter" than anyone else. This is about authority, not intellect. Masculine men (males who are strong, capable, and dominant) are overwhelmingly the ones who are expected to enforce society's standards. This is because they are both inclined to do so, and are (for the most part) the only ones capable of doing so. With this responsibility to main… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/14 06:04 PM |
| 2 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?I don't understand how you can keep making such baseless assertions when you have not even read the post. Prior to this I wasn't presented with a link to the post, so I was operating on reasonable assumptions given the limited information shared with me. The additional quotes from the book provide much needed context, which supports my assertion that the author is using an exaggerated scenario to make a point. To wit: So what does it mean to respect your partner? It means that you accept his cho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/14 05:50 PM |
| 0 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?...respecting what they have to say even though it might make him feel dumb for missing an exit. If she can't think of a way to phrase it which doesn't make her husband feel dumb, then she isn't being respectful. We even have a word for it it's called constructive criticism. Your'e assuming most women are disposed towards being constructive in their criticism. Telling women to just not say anything and telling them to say it nicely are two completely different things. True, but the first option … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/14 05:34 PM |
| 1 | Why does TRP think that it is ok to use dehumanizing labels for people?Being able to enforce your judgement makes you a man. Being unable to enforce your judgement makes you irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/14 05:28 PM |
| 0 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?As a general policy a woman should build her partner up, rather than tearing him down. If she feels like she has to lie to do that then she should ask herself why she thinks so little of her own husband. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/14 05:27 PM |
| 1 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?Nor do I, but blue pill commentators have a tendency to misrepresent red pill arguments. Most often this is simply a case of misunderstanding. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/14 05:20 PM |
| 1 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?... that guy possibly does want to ask for help but feels he shouldn't because of societie's pressure on him to "be a man" and just figure it out ... The problem with your position, and with feminism generally, is the assumption that gender roles are solely the result of socialization, rather than reflecting the innate tendencies of the majority of society. Masculine men prefer to figure things out on their own, because that is their nature. They are confident that, if let to their own devices, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/14 05:19 PM |
| 2 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?So women put men on an "imaginary pedestal" of sorts because he will get emotional otherwise ? No, women should show men respect because most men appreciate and value respect. A self respecting man will quickly loose interest in, and patience with, a disrespectful woman. Like I would put my boss on the same imaginary pedestal and then curse under my breath while I fix all their mistakes ? Like how you would choose your words carefully, regardless of how you feel in the moment. If you compare tho… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/14 12:06 AM |
| -1 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?Where did you get that idea? TRP recognizes that men tend to be more honest and blunt than women, but it's not "all about" that by any means. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/14 11:55 PM |
| 0 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?In the hypothetical situation, do you think a woman should correct the man driving if he misses the exit? Provided /u/polyhooly isn't simply lying about what she read, I would assume the example is a deliberate exaggeration by an RPW author. In real-life of course a woman should let her man know if he missed an exit while driving. The scenario here is exaggerate to make the point that she should do so carefully and respectfully. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/14 11:54 PM |
| 4 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?No, but any man with self respect will quickly loose interest in a needlessly critical woman. The example here is deliberately extreme, either because /u/polyhooly is lying about what she read, or because the original author was exaggerating to make a point. Assuming it's the latter, the RPW woman author is not literally advocating never correcting your partner. In stead she is advocating using care when being critical of your partner, so as to avoid giving offense. The assumption here is that i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/14 11:48 PM |
| 1 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?RPW suggests admiring and adoring your man under all circumstances, and never criticizing him. Do you have any quotes demonstrating this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/14 10:09 PM |
| 2 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?Bingo. She makes a decision that preserving the relationship is more important than proving her man wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/14 09:46 PM |
| -1 | Why does TRP think that it is ok to use dehumanizing labels for people?So it's ok for Red Pill men to make calls of value, and pass judgement on others, but no one has the right to do the same to RP men? Exactly. Judgement of others is a feature of masculinity because it is irrelevant unless you can back it up. Women and non-masculine "men" typically lack the power to back up their judgments, so they lack authority. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/14 09:44 PM |
| 1 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?I may refrain from criticizing my boss in order to keep my job, that does not mean I have any respect for them. You are confusing action with intent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/14 08:37 PM |
| 3 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?When you recognize and appreciate the value of a good man, how is that different from recognizing and appreciating the value of a good women? It isn't, but there is a big difference between that and putting a someone on a pedestal. Putting one above the other just doesn't seem right. Unless one is genuinely more valuable than the other. Then pretending they are equals is wrong. I've found that when women look up to me too much, I get board. Maybe it tells me that they think they're of lower valu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/14 08:21 PM |
| 2 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?Discouraging someone from challenging another person is not the same as encouraging someone to worship another person. RPW is strongly focused on deprogramming the women in our society. Teaching them to support their partners rather than tear them down is part of that process. The presumption in this scenario is that the critical judgement has already been made. If he is "their man", then the women in question have already found him worthy of their support, loyalty, and affection. RPW is simply … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/14 08:18 PM |
| 10 | Why does TRP think that it is ok to use dehumanizing labels for people?I can't help but think that these labels do more harm than good to both sides. Your lack of imagination is your problem, not ours. These terms are used precisely because they are valuable descriptors. It's just not right That's not your call to make. You have no moral authority with Red Pill men. we are all cut from the same cloth whether we want to believe it or not No we aren't. TRP explicitly rejects this idea when discussing the inherent differences between men and women. TRP implicitly reje… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/14 08:06 PM |
| 9 | Why does TRP think that it is ok to use dehumanizing labels for people?That does not mean we should. You are in no position to decide what Red Pill men should or should not do. You have no moral authority with us and we owe you and your opinions no inherent respect. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/14 07:46 PM |
| 6 | does red pill advise couples to jointly put the man on a pedestal?Not really. Putting someone up on a pedestal is typically about holding them in excessive esteem. By contrast, TRP encourages men to develop real value, and RPW advocates women recognize and appreciate the value a good man brings into a woman's life. This may look like putting men on a pedestal from the perspective of a feminized society, but that is only because feminized societies do not recognize the real value of men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/14 07:35 PM |
| 16 | Girlfriend buys VIP pass then has sex backstage with celebrity. OP stays in hotel. Getting calls from her dad, OP's mother, OP's sister, all saying the sex doesn't count as it was with someone famous.This sub has really gone to crap. As you've pointed out, this is obviously someone trolling the relationships sub for entertainment, but now it's at the top here. TRP is supposed to be about learning to see though other people's bullshit, not falling for the bullshit which confirms your biases. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/02/14 03:28 PM |
| 6 | Girlfriend buys VIP pass then has sex backstage with celebrity. OP stays in hotel. Getting calls from her dad, OP's mother, OP's sister, all saying the sex doesn't count as it was with someone famous.Common guys, this is obviously just someone trolling the relationships subreddit. The scenario is too pat to be anything other than drama bait. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/02/14 03:21 PM |
| 1 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?That's a huge amount of resources. Not really. We aren't talking about putting kids through college here, just keeping a majority of them alive. It's still 9 months of a physically taxed body Define "taxed". Most pregnant women I've known were capable of normal physical activity throughout their pregnancy. Ours are far more risky, painful, and complicated. Do you have some stats to back that up? I've been Googling and most claims of human pregnancies being high risk relative to other primates se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/14 08:30 PM |
| 1 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?Under this ideology, if a woman is going to have casual sex and gets pregnant, she needs to find a committed man, stat. Or she simply needs to be assured that she will have the resources she needs to care for the child via some other means. This is something which is increasingly easy today, hence the rising numbers of single mothers. This is on top of the fact that pregnancy can be incredibly risky and disabling. You're overstating the risk factors involved in pregnancy. Yes risks exist, but it… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/14 06:59 PM |
| 1 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.why are so many women so emotionally devastated when the husband goes out and sleeps with someone else in secret, but continues to be a provider? Because it increases the odds that he will leave her, or at least divert some of his resources to another women and their offspring. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/14 05:54 PM |
| 2 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.How many of these divorces are filed as a result of the man's infidelity? How many divorces filed by men are the product of their wife's infidelity? Regardless of motive, women are twice as likely as men to take the necessary steps to end a marriage. Would you consider that 'flaking' by the woman, or a recognition that the contract has been breached? One could argue it's not a fundamental breach of the contract until and unless the husband fails to support the wife materially. Marriage is about … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/14 05:30 PM |
| 2 | Do red pill men typically agree with the goals of r/redpillwomen?Meanwhile RPW generally disavows the more reactionary or angry TRP stuff, pretty much universally brushing it off as men who have been hurt lashing out, or macho man talk that is not to be taken seriously. Many TRPers agree with RPW on that, at least on a general level. A lot of guys who end up taking the Pill do so because of some traumatic experiences in their past. Many commentators in the manosphere acknowledge that men go through an angry phase when they first start coming to terms with the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/14 03:38 PM |
| 5 | A buddy /coworker has been falsely accused of sexually harassing a chick at the job today and I'm LIVID.He has a potential suit for slander against the woman in question. | /r/MensRights | 14/02/14 03:12 AM |
| 2 | What does it mean to "pump and dump" a slut?Have you got data supporting that most people are studying online rather than physically attending a university? I can't, at the moment, find a study which asks that specific question. That being said we can start to get a picture of what those numbers might look like by pulling togther some other figures. This artice claims that 45% of college students are taking at least one online course per semester. It does not address how many of them are also physically attending a universty, or to what e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/14 03:06 AM |
| 1 | What does it mean to "pump and dump" a slut?OK, that makes sense! As another commenter noted, 84% percent of 27 year olds had attempted college in 2012. However, only 34% had won a bachelor's degree or better. Keep in mind, that 84% includes people taking online courses, people studying part time via community colleges, etc. The cultural experience of 'attending a university' is what we're really talking about when we start discussing the hook up culture and casual sex on college campuses. That is still not an experience most people get t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/14 01:51 AM |
| 1 | What does it mean to "pump and dump" a slut?Wait... by "got to college" do mean attempt even one class, or complete the degree? I interpreted your statement as implying that because degrees are valuable, most people are earning them, not simply attempting them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/14 01:15 AM |
| 2 | What does it mean to "pump and dump" a slut?went to some college The means, took even one class. He specifically mentioned having a degree. That wiki page itself says only 34% won a bachelors degree or better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/14 01:08 AM |
| 1 | What does it mean to "pump and dump" a slut?I'd argue most people in first world countries do go to college these days since a degree is increasingly becoming a requirement for employment Given the complete absence of sense in that statement, I'm going to assume you're just trolling here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/14 07:59 PM |
| 1 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?Women need men who will commit so that their offspring will be taken care of. Yes, but the "men who will commit" don't have to be the fathers of their children. Which is the point of cuckoldry and the male aversion to it. Promiscuous men are as much of a risk No, they aren't as big a risk on an evolutionary level. A woman who mates with a promiscuous man, who then leaves her, still has a chance of raising her child to maturity on her own. A man who commits to a promiscuous woman, who cuckolds hi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/14 07:56 PM |
| 1 | What does it mean to "pump and dump" a slut?He doesn't conform to your idea of masculinity. He describes himself as "not very masculine". You are trying to invalidate his experience with your own. No, I'm succeeding at invaliding his experience by citing the way his world view and experiences deviate from the normative experience of the average man. You think, somehow, that your experience of the world is truer than his. One for one, they are equal. I've got 8 years on him. That's almost 29% more experience than he has. I think your view … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/14 07:42 PM |
| 3 | What does it mean to "pump and dump" a slut?Actually I'm 28, back in college for the second time Really, good going. I keep meaning to go back for my master's, but it's hell trying to find the time. You just gotta network. Easier said than done. It sounds like you've found yourself in the 20% of the population that's having 80% of the sex. If so, good on you, but you've still got to recognize that you're not leading the average man's lifestyle. I do alright, but lately the only women I've found who are interested in casual, NSA sex are ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/14 05:37 PM |
| 3 | What does it mean to "pump and dump" a slut?You are doing a remarkable job of demonstrating exactly what we BPers are talking about when we say the echo-chamber in TRP will poison your mind. And you're doing a great job of demonstrating exactly what we RPers are talking about when we say BPers are naive, out of touch with reality, and hostile to masculinity. In your head I am a lonely beta-orbiter nice-guy who hates manly men because they get the girls and I don't. I was playing the odds; "a lonely beta-orbiter nice-guy" is where your sor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/14 05:26 PM |
| 1 | What does it mean to "pump and dump" a slut?Does no one around here go to college? Most men I know either have lots of casual sex or are in a committed relationship. This sort of comment is exactly why our society has the stereotype of college boys who are clueless about the real world. Consider: Most people, even in well educated nations, do not go to college. Most redditors have had some college, but the median age of a redditor is 22. This means most redditors are not in college at the moment. Sex is less common in college than most pe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/14 04:52 PM |
| 1 | What does it mean to "pump and dump" a slut?TRP deals with the general case, i.e. how the world works for most people. This makes it a world view which is applicable for the average person, because it reflects the realities they have to live with. I have casual sex exclusively I'm very happy for you, but most men have to deal with the reality that most women only provide sex to an average guy within the context of a relationship. Women, by contrast, have to deal with the reality that most men don't want to provide a relationship without s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/14 03:55 PM |
| 2 | What does it mean to "pump and dump" a slut?RP =/= frat guy Fraternities are organizations for men, by men. As such, they tend to develop internal cultures which respect masculine men, and their desires, as legitimate. This dovetails nicely with the internal culture of TRP, so there is some over lap. Though, I would argue, the lack of an explicit fraternal ethic in TRP, makes the RP community less salutary than social fraternities. you keep assuming bitterness leads to dehumanization. He's not wrong about that. It's just ironic that he fa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/14 03:27 PM |
| 6 | What does it mean to "pump and dump" a slut?The "dump" part, to me, suggests that it is one sided. Yes, and so what? A woman having sex with you does not make you beholden to her; not in today's world. Men and women now exist in a state of explicit competition. They seek to use us, and we seek to use them. A woman who allows herself to be used isn't an innocent victim. She's an adult and has to live with the consequences of her choices just like everyone else. Are you supposed to lead these women on, and then unceremoniously dump them whe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/14 02:59 PM |
| 1 | She was banging 3 of his friends at the same time, but God forbid you call her a whore.The term you're looking for is "slut". Whores get paid. | /r/TheRedPill | 13/02/14 02:59 AM |
| 3 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.not to say you're a dick I am a "dick". It's impossible to be a normative, masculine man and not be a "dick" by the standards of a feminized society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/14 12:49 AM |
| 2 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.But so-called shit tests? A shit test is simply a fitness test. Many species have them. doesn't the existence of this one black swan disprove your "all swans are white" theory? TRP theory does not that claim that "all swans are white", it merely claims that most are, so you you can assume any given swan will be white and be right most of the time. This is why TRPers reject NAWALT as an argument. It isn't because it's false, it's because it's irrelevant. So long as Most Women Are Like That (MWALT… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/14 08:21 PM |
| 2 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.How does this square with promiscuity in bonobos, who use promiscuity as way to increase social status? Bonobos are adapted to different environmental and social conditions than humans. One theory is that bonobos adapted to high levels of promiscuity to create parental confusion among their males, thus discouraging infanticide. The promiscuity among bonobo females, however, does mean that bonobo males do not contribute to child rearing. This stands in stark contrast to the cross-cultural human n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/14 08:14 PM |
| 2 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.I get that some guys are disgusted by it (I'm not one of them, if anything I think it's a turn-on) Actually that's "most guys", and you shouldn't confuse your proclivities with the norm. For the record, by "norm", I'm referring to a statistical norm, not a moral norm. Being different from most other men does not make you a bad person, but it does make you different. Many of TRP's just-so-stories only make sense in the context of agriculture, which is only 10-20 thousand years old. A) TRP theorie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/02/14 07:34 PM |
| 2 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.But actually we don't believe that all is fair in war. To wit: The Geneva Convention. And yet war crimes still happen, and most go unpunished. The point of the saying is as more a warning than an indication or justification of intent to set aside moral norms. be yourself? The point is that "being yourself" for most men and women means following their respective gender imperatives to the greatest extent they can. As you note above, people rationalize their actions to reconcile immoral actions to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/14 08:59 PM |
| 4 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.that precise language models sex as something valuable that can be given away or depleted Sex is something of value which can be traded on or given away, hence the concept of a sexual market place... also prostitution. A woman's sexuality can be depleted, because it is associated with her reproductive capacity. This depletes slowly over time as a woman ages, hence younger women are more attractive than older ones. It can also be depleted in the short term via pregnancy, which is why a woman who … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/14 08:48 PM |
| 2 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.Think we've covered "sexual strategy is amoral" lots of time on this sub. "Covered" is not the same as "resolved". The logical end is that no, not really, since there are lines even the last remaining Red Pill alpha-natic wouldn't cross: e.g. kidnapping, drugging, rape. You are equating the amoral imperatives which drives sexual strategy, with the men to engage in the pursuit of sex. Just because a man recognizes that his motives are divorced from morality does not mean that he ceases to be a mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/14 07:47 PM |
| 3 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.sections of TRP are disgusted by women having sex. If you mean sections of the TRP subscriber base, then yes. TRP ideology itself doesn't teach such disgust, it simply refuses to condemn it. TRP witch hunts involve holding other peoples sexual behaviour up as objectionable and circle jerking about it. You're abusing the term "witch hunt". A "witch hunt" implies persecution of those who have not committed the acts you've accused them of, not condemning people for committing acts they've admitted … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/14 07:20 PM |
| 3 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.Did you read the article I linked to? The issue isn't simple numbers, it's the psychology of sexual competition. The fact that any reasonably attractive woman probably gave herself to other men before meeting you, leaves many men with sense that he is not her first choice for a mate. That she did it while younger, and hence more attractive, for less commitment also leaves some men with the sense that they are being cheated by being asked for higher levels of commitment (i.e. marriage). This isn'… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/14 07:15 PM |
| 2 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.If you focus on flakey sluts in bars, thats what you will get. Very true. There isn't any point in focusing on flakey sluts, and then complaining that all the women are flakey sluts. Also true, but the real problem is that the majority of desirable women could be considered flakey sluts, for certain values of those terms. Divorce rates are hovering at around 50% and most divorces are filed by women. That's flaking (failure to keep a commitment) on an extreme scale. Social promotion of promiscuit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/14 07:00 PM |
| 2 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.If you believe women are all or mostly "bad", do you believe men are all or mostly "bad"? Toward the opposite sex, I mean. It's not a question of good or evil. TRP holds that "sexual strategy is amoral". It's simply a matter of conflicting imperatives. Men have an imperative to spread their seed as widely as possible, to focus their resource investments on their own offspring, and to minimize their resource investments in each offspring to the extent they can without jeopardizing their progeny's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/14 06:48 PM |
| 1 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.There are lots of guys there that are disgusted There are a lot of men in the world who find promiscuity in women disgusting. The TRP position is that such disgust is legitimate, because TRP holds that men's instincts and interests are legitimate. its some times like the srs of sexual behaviour there, with the witch hunts and so on. What do you mean by witch hunt? Witch hunt implies accusing innocent people of crimes they haven't committed. What TRP posters tend to do is target people whose beha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/14 05:39 PM |
| 6 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.TRP isn't disgusted with it. TRP is perspective on the world, not a moral value system or social movement. That being said, many men are disgusted by it. TRP (via evo-psych) offers an explanation for it. Specifically, said disgust is a defensive mechanism in men. It drives us to emotionally distance ourselves from promiscuous women. This prevents us from investing resources in a woman who is more likely to cuckold us and use our resources to support another man's young. Masculine communities, li… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/14 01:16 PM |
| 8 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.Because if there are no good girls left, then bedding sluts is your only option. Any girl you succeed in "turning", was just pretending to be a good girl in the first place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/14 01:03 PM |
| 4 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.Makes me wonder if the cock carousel is invented by guys who were annoyed that sluts didn't sleep with them. Actually the psychology is the opposite. The CC is about a fear that the woman you'll fall in love with has spent the years prior to your meeting slutting it up with other men. That's why the focus of a lot of the CC rants is on the women who want to settle down with a good man after having a promiscuous past. The issue isn't a desire for sluts, it's fear that there are no "good girls" le… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/14 05:06 AM |
| 4 | I don't understand the "cock carousel". BP and RP opinions welcome.The media is obsessed with the supposed growth of "hook up" culture. Popular entertainment depicts casual sex as normal and common. Pro-sex feminists loudly defend a woman's right to be as sexual as a man. None of this is new, most generations have some sort of moral panic over promiscuity at some point. The "cock carousel" and "every women is a slut" memes are simply the manosphere's versions of this. The reality is that the Power Law (a.k.a the 80-20 rule) applies to human sexuality. Approxima… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/02/14 05:06 AM |
| 7 | Girls and SoftwareThe ironic thing about the whole "women in software" debate is, computer programming is hard for most men. It's a niche talent, which simply can't be taught to most people. Complaining that women are excluded from it overlooks the reality that 80-90% of the population are going to be excluded from it, simply because of the nature of the subject matter. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/14 03:27 PM |
| 1 | Advice for when a girl is legitimately angry and freezing out - maintaining value and frame.She's INCREDIBLY flirtatious and forward over electronic communication (texting/messaging) and is happy to talk to me nearly all day (something I probably should not have indulged her with) but is much more reserved and closed off in person. She's leading you on so she can use you for social/emotional affirmation. Ignore her. If and when she tries to re-initiate contact, blow her off. If she misses your contact enough that she gets weepy and wants to know what she did wrong, demand an apology fo… | /r/askTRP | 10/02/14 12:23 AM |
| 0 | Non-RP advice?and yet, you replied... | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/14 03:46 PM |
| 0 | Non-RP advice?Actually, I'm not a feminist So you just use their shaming tactics, give voice to their androphobia, and speak in their lingo for fun? If you're walking like a duck, and quaking like duck, you have no right to be offended that people conclude you are one. And while we're talking about "derailment"... No, I believe that, due to thousands of generations of evolution, most men have an innate sexual attraction to young women who develop breasts, wide hips, long legs, and other secondary sexual chara… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/02/14 05:05 AM |
| 0 | Non-RP advice?In the minds of many, 11, 12, 13, 14 year old girls... Sorry sweety, no take backs. You already revealed that age is a red herring in this quote: yes, I feared predatory men who made unwanted advances just as I would today. (my emphasis) Your real problem is with men making "unwanted advances", that is what makes them "sexual predators" by your standard. As I've explained, that's just a trap for all men. Just because you are attracted to something does not mean you get to act on it. Get to act o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/14 10:11 PM |
| 1 | Non-RP advice?Empathy is a human emotion. The more likely, simple explanation for why women (and not a few men) pushed for this change, is that they knew some women who were forced into marriages and early parenthood against their will, or with deep regret. Being empathetic humans, they wanted to reduce the amount of human suffering that resulted from this state of affairs. I could buy that for the more likely motive, if the legislative change we're talking about here was confined to forced marriage and force… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 11:26 PM |
| 0 | Non-RP advice?Before I go any further, let me stop you right there and ask: at what age do you think females complete puberty? Answer this if nothing else. No. You're trying to change the subject. Why would I play along with that? Men are designed to be attracted to fertile women. As a result men will desire women whose bodies present the signs of such fertility. Claiming that desire is deviant or morally abhorrent is an indictment of normative male sexual desires, and thus is an attack on men generally. the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 09:11 PM |
| 0 | Non-RP advice?You're the one who claimed "the laws of your country" determine what's civilized. It's your arbitrary standards which are at issue here. I'm just pointing out the absurdity of the stance you've taken. If you want to recant that view; feel free. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 08:10 PM |
| 0 | Non-RP advice?Saudi Arabia... a country based on biblical law Bibles are illegal in Saudi Arabia. It's an Islamic country, not a christian one. Your the one who compared men leering at women to women driving cars, by setting the standard for "civilization" as "the laws of your country". By your standards, hiding Jews from the authorities in Nazi Germany was an uncivilized act. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 07:46 PM |
| 0 | Non-RP advice?"Feminist ideology" had nothing to do with raising or even creating the concept of the age of consent. I've already shown how early feminists were involved in raising the age of consent in the 19th century. young girls We're talking about young women, i.e. female humans who have undergone puberty. You're confusing the concept of a minor with that of child. Minor is a legal status, child is a biological condition. This isn't about pedophilia, a sexual attraction to prepubescents, this is about th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 07:39 PM |
| 0 | Non-RP advice?civilized defined by the morals and code and law of your country ... This defense of leering at young women/teenage/pre-teen women is utterly revolting. Women driving is considered "utterly revolting" in Saudi Arabia and is illegal. Do you consider that civilized? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 06:56 PM |
| 1 | Non-RP advice?you want to fuck little girls? Once again a feminist claims young women are just "little girls" in order to brand a straight man as a pedophile. It's impressive how quickly female agency gets thrown in the garbage when it gives you the opportunity bash men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 06:54 PM |
| 0 | Non-RP advice?meh, saw age 9 mentioned. By a feminist attempting to prove all straight men are pedophiles at heart. Chronological age is irrelevant. It's physiological development which is at issue in this discussion. there's looking and then there's suggestive leering. it's pointless to say all looks are the same Rephrased: There's being fashionable and then there's dressing like a slut. It's pointless to say all clothes are the same. You're asking half the population to modify their behavior according to an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 04:08 PM |
| 0 | Non-RP advice?So to you: straight man = pedophile Well, that does make your misandry pretty clear. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 03:57 PM |
| 2 | Non-RP advice?I mentioned Orwell's history only to show that his writing was inspired by the real world and thus that he didn't invent what we now consider Orwellian conduct, he simply named it. At no point did I imply that early feminists were inspired by the propaganda campaigns of the colonial government of Burma. I never said anything about a "conspiracy". That would imply that feminists are fully cognizant of their own motives. I don't believe they are. The feminist movement is Orwellian, in part, becaus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 03:49 PM |
| 0 | Non-RP advice?We aren't talking about "children" here. We're talking about sexually developed young women. Using the word "children" in this context, insinuates that straight men are equivalent to pedophiles. It's hate speech and you need to watch yourself. That being said, why should men be expected to restrain themselves from looking at young women? That's no more reasonable than expecting all women to wear burqas and veils in public to avoid "tempting" men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 03:35 PM |
| 1 | Non-RP advice?It is abnormal by most people's standards Don't confuse the sexual taboos of a feminized society (like the modern west) with normal human sexuality. Even the west cannot deny that men are attracted to breasts, which makes this statement from /u/polyhooly relevant: even though they may have boobs, they are still girls What she is really saying here is, as far as she's concerned biology itself is wrong, and the development of breasts in young women are not an indicator of sexual maturity. Unfortun… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 03:25 PM |
| 1 | Non-RP advice?No, I believe that, due to thousands of generations of evolution, most men have an innate sexual attraction to young women who develop breasts, wide hips, long legs, and other secondary sexual characteristics which indicate their fertility. Those traits are meant, in part, to stimulate such male attraction, and they will work regardless of the chronological age of the young woman in question. I further believe that proclaiming such attraction to be frightening, enraging, disgusting, or other wis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 04:28 AM |
| -1 | Non-RP advice?I started to reply to everything else you wrote, then I made it to this, and deleted everything Well that's unfortunate. I would have been interested in reading your other thoughts on my response. Who the fuck do you think you are to tell me the motivations behind experiences and feelings as I had a child? I am a man, and I am unapologetic about normal male sexuality. What's more I will defend it when it is attacked in such a blatantly bigoted manner. You made your "motivations" clear when you u… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 04:11 AM |
| 1 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?Which is always a risk in reproduction for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 03:05 AM |
| 0 | Non-RP advice?They don't like it. That's not a problem for TRPers. We're men (mostly) and we enjoy conflict. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 03:04 AM |
| 0 | Non-RP advice?If you want to believe it is a conspiracy I never said anything about a "conspiracy". That would imply that feminists are fully cognizant of their own motives. I don't believe they are. The feminist movement is Orwellian, in part, because those involved with it tend to indulge in significant levels of self deception. they're trying to ensure these girls finish their education We're talking about the urban poor of the late 19th century here. Education wasn't anywhere on the agenda, nor was any me… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 03:03 AM |
| 2 | Non-RP advice?Orwell didn't invent the deceitful manipulation of language for political gain. He just drew attention to it and gave it a name. Orwell's writings were inspired in part by his real life experience working as a police officer in the Imperial government in Burma during the British colonial era. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/14 02:17 AM |
| 2 | Non-RP advice?Another example, that has my jimmies rustled this afternoon, is the sincere belief that the only reason we have age of consent laws is due to elderly, post wall feminazis, you know, like 26 year olds, feeling intimidated by competition from pre-teens and young teens. No, TRP, that's not why we have age of consent laws. From the Wikipedia article on Age of Consent After intense sensational media revelations about the scourge of under-age prostitution in London in the 1880s caused respectable midd… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/14 10:29 PM |
| 1 | Non-RP advice?I'm not sure how I feel about the first part... does TRP advise a "fake it til to you make it strategy?" You're thinking of 'PUA' Game. TRP does recommend learning game, but it also recommends genuine self improvement (see /r/becomeaman). So, is part of TRP's problem just the language they use? What problem are your talking about? Do you all agree with this advice? It's pretty good advice, it's just not complete. He doesn't say anything about how to build confidence (except to use alcohol). He d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/14 10:10 PM |
| 2 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?Yes, but the child will definitely be theirs. Female infidelity puts a man at risk of devoting his resources to another man's child. That's a bad proposition form an evolutionary point of view. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/14 07:57 PM |
| 2 | Can you empathize with the other pill's position?There's no way to do so because there isn't a consistent interpretation of what TRP is. That's a fair critique. The elements of TRP I'm thinking of is primarily the evo-psyche underpinnings of it. This is one of the more irritating aspects of TRP, since it's adherents routinely make similar claims but try to disguise them as amoral. I've got to give you that one too. The distinction, as I see it, is that TRP, unlike feminism, isn't tryign to enforce it's 'moral' aganda on society. Rather, as I'v… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/14 03:45 PM |
| 3 | lazy, unmotivated boyfriendAccording to her, he really doesn't seem depressed or anything like that. Remember, men do not express emotional pain the same way as women. Shutting down like this is a classic symptom of depression in a guy. The technical term for it is avolition. Someone lazy most likely wouldn't have gotten into a prestigious program at his university. It's possible he's simply cracked under the pressure of the program ad is now retreating from life because he just can't handle it. If she wants to salvage hi… | /r/RedPillWomen | 05/02/14 11:11 PM |
| 3 | Can you empathize with the other pill's position?Its a hodgepodge of things that sound "true-ish"- a pseudoscience. No, it's a hodgepodge of things that fit observable reality consistent with an underlying theoretical frame work. That's not a pseudoscience, rather it is a science in it's infancy. As genetics and neurology progress they will either uphold or refute elements of TRP in a more objective manner than surveys, either way I'm looking forward to seeing those results. At least with feminism the political nature is upfront. I would dispu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 08:33 PM |
| 3 | Can you empathize with the other pill's position?Unfortunately, yes, many are. It's hard to find good research (i.e. double blind studies with large sample sizes) in the field of sexual psychology and attraction. Personally, I like to use the larger surveys of sexual behavior produced by bodies like the CDC as a "reality" check on some of the rhetoric I hear form other TRPers. For example, the complaint that "all modern women are sluts" voiced by some of the more extreme commenters, is easily debunked by the fact that the average life time num… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 05:54 PM |
| 0 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?A crucial step in recent theories of human origins is the emergence of strong pair-bonding between males and females accompanied by a dramatic reduction in the male-to-male conflict over mating and an increased investment in offspring. Precisely. The establishment of the social institution of marriage then codified the dynamic described above as an explicit social contract. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 05:01 PM |
| 1 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?No, most men are focused on "attracting sexually attractive" women. TRP is focused on teaching men about the realities of the sexual market place. One of those realities is that a girl who will sleep with you the night you meet her, is also likely to cheat on you. So, TRP teaches you that you shouldn't fall in love with her unless you want to get hurt. TRP also teachs that your should respect the instinct many men seem to have, to withdraw affection, attention, and support after you've had your … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 04:57 PM |
| 0 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?You make quite outrageous statements and you're going to have to back them up. No, I'm not , because I'm not the one making "outrageous" statements. There is literally decades of research into sexual attraction showing that men are attracted to women primarily due to visual cues, while female attraction to men is more complex and includes psycho-social triggers like high status, material resources, and socially dominant behavior. This is common knowledge to anyone who's studied the psychology of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 04:38 PM |
| 4 | Can you empathize with the other pill's position?I'm not bragging that we "sound sciencey-ish". I'm referring to the willingness of many TRPers to base their beliefs off of scientific behavioral studies, rather than just social conditioning and ideological non-sense. Yes, many TRP commenters rely heavily on personal experience, which exposes them to bias. Even in those cases, however, they are at least trying to figure out the world based on direct observation rather than just going on what they were taught in a gender studies class or learned… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 03:33 PM |
| 0 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?Promiscuity doesn't "communicate disease". Unsafe sex does. Promiscuity doesn't lead to "cheating". Dishonesty leads to cheating. Promiscuity is linked to higher rates of STDs, infidelity, and divorce. That's a statistical reality no sensible person would deny. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 03:33 PM |
| 0 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?Most women marry within their own social class. True, but they would prefer to marry above it, and are attracted to men of higher status. Humans have been monogamous for as long as we know. Every single recorded incidence of infidelity or harem building in human history disproves this statement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 03:04 PM |
| -1 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?No, marriage was a social contract among men and women to reduce conflict and help ensure the well-being of children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 02:52 PM |
| 1 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?You're attempting, poorly, to define the meaning and pathology of the madonna-whore complex. Shades of that complex would be feeling sexual attraction to easy women, and being less sexually interested in more respectable women. Feeling disregard for a woman who has casual sex isn't part of the complex at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 02:51 PM |
| 0 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?General manners You don't get to define what constitutes "good manners". a lack of madonna / whore complex You're equating natural, healthy behavior (rejection of people who represent a potential threat to your well-being) with a psychological disorder. That's an intensely disingenuous position to take. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 02:48 PM |
| -1 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?That could mean 5 in one year 5 is the lifetime average for women in the U.S. Someone who knocks out their life time average in a single year isn't normal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 10:56 AM |
| 0 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?So you define "normal people" as anyone incapable of making a relationship last more than 6 months? That's a pretty low bar. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 02:48 AM |
| 0 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?And so? And so a man's life is ruined. Its natural for people to have more than one person. What's not natural is this notion that humans mate like swans. It's natural for men to be polygamous and women to be hypergamous. Those impulses, when allowed to drive human behavior unfettered, lead to men constantly fighting each other for control of harems of women. Marriage was developed as a means to prevent such constant social conflicts. Is it unnatural? Sure, but so is allowing your rivals to live… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 02:43 AM |
| 4 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?True, but that doesn't mean you will actually respect them. Nor are you obligated too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 02:37 AM |
| 4 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?That's false, you can maintain emotional distance and not treat people like crap. People do it all the time. Sure, when they have motive. What motive do I have to treat some promiscuous girl I barely know like anything other than a piece of meat? The world is not a nice place for most men, so men are under no moral obligation to play nice with others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 02:30 AM |
| 0 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?You can care and respect someone while keeping your emotions in check. No, you can't. There was a neurological study just released which showed that empathy and logical/analytic thought processes are incompatible. Engaging in one impairs the other. Ergo, if you want to be able to deal with people, while still keeping your wits about you, you should try to suppress your empathy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 02:28 AM |
| 5 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?Probably. But it's less of a risk for women, biologically speaking, to pursue a relationship with a promiscuous man than it is for a man to pursue a relationship with a promiscuous woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 02:25 AM |
| 4 | Can you empathize with the other pill's position?That is, do you get where they're coming from? Can you put yourself in their shoes? Of course. Most Red Pill guys start out as Blue Pill, so we understand exactly where they're coming from. That's also why we know they're completely full of crap. We didn't arrive at our new beliefs and values spontaneously. For most of us, we learned the hard way that the ideals preached by Blue Pillers are incompatible with reality. The reason I have a strong dislike for TRP is that there is a tendency to blame… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/14 02:16 AM |
| 5 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?Correct me if I'm wrong but TRP believes promiscuous behavior devalues a person's mating potential only if she's a woman. That's largely true, but that's biology not hypocrisy. There is a biologically driven sexual dichotomy between men and women. Generally speaking, promiscuity is unattractive in a relationship partner because of the higher probability that they will be unfaithful. Infidelity in women is a huge problem, biologically speaking, for men. If a man is providing an unfaithful women r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 11:46 PM |
| 2 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?What Im talking about is the inordinate amount of hate and resentment focused on women that are out in the singles scene. You're shifting the goal posts a bit here, but if "out in the singles scene" means, "hooking up with guys they met that night in the bar", then we're still talking about promiscuity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 11:34 PM |
| 6 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?OK then, sociopath away. Don't be surprised when society shuns you, though. LOL, modern society loves sociopaths. Women lust after their bad boy aura. Men envy their drive and sense of independence. The business world practically worships their ruthlessness. We're living in a golden age for sociopaths. It's sad how you seem to fail to appreciate your husband. I don't know how you got that. I got the impression for your comment that you thought your husband didn't really want to take risks on you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 11:29 PM |
| 5 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?No it doesn't make sense because promiscuity hurts no one. Except when it communicates a disease or leads to cheating/cuckolding. There's a reason why most men consider it instinctively repugnant in a long-term partner. That's evolution in action. Males who were OK with their mates cheating on them and were willing to raise another males offspring are less biologically successful than jealous males. To the extent that promiscuity among women is linked to divorce it could just as well be mens pro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 10:56 PM |
| 3 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?Why would you want to do that? Self defense. Men are instinctively inclined to feel empathic and protective towards women. Those instincts are then reinforced by society with narratives about how men should embody chivalry and how wonderful and nurturing women are. This leaves men vulnerable to exploitation at the hands of society in general and women in particular. Protecting our own interests requires that we turn our empathy off. Feminism and modern society have made men and women competitors… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 10:27 PM |
| 1 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?having casual sex as something degrading that should be punished. Casual sex, i.e. promiscuity. Most people, particularly most women, don't just fuck anybody. Casual sex is degrading for women from the perspective of SMV. Willingness to casually hook up with guys she barely know makes a woman less desirable (as a long term partner) to most men. You may disagree. You may want a promiscuous girlfriend/wife, but most men don't. Women are better off being warned that most men will be repelled by a p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 10:01 PM |
| 1 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?Again, you are confusing sex with promiscuity. I have yet to read any TRP commentary indicating that the writer thought sex itself was a bad thing. I can recall, one comment I read last year, by some highly dysfunctional individual, who was "disgusted" when he thought about a how a cute girl he'd just met had probably had sex with other guys already. That's not a TRP position though, it's just some guy airing his mental issues on the internet. The TRP response to his comment was that he needed t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 09:55 PM |
| 1 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?The main focus is on picking up the women You're focusing on a subset of TRP which is concerned solely with getting laid. Getting laid is not the point of TRP. The point of TRP is understanding human sexual behavior so that you can get what you want out of interactions with the other gender. If what you want is to get laid, then persue promiscuous women, they're easy. If you want an LTR, then try to find a "good girl". then there is hating on the women considered tainted and degraded Yes, and as… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 09:49 PM |
| 0 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?them having hot sex then makes them degraded and tainted. No, them having "hot sex" with lots of other men "makes them degraded and tainted." The promiscuity is the issue, not the quality of the sex. The boner focus is on "sluts", there is no boner focus on conservative women. The LTR and marriage focus is on "conservative" women. The boning is taken for granted. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 09:13 PM |
| 4 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?Caring about people is becoming emotionally invested in them. Ergo, treating someone like you don't care about them is a means of expressing and maintaining your emotional distance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 09:05 PM |
| 2 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?TRP does not consider sex to be a "crime". However, promiscuous sex with total strangers is considered bad behavior for women in TRP theory. It lowers their SMV and makes them undesirable as long term romantic partners. In TRP theory, men loosing respect for w woman who behaves that way is completely predictable. She shouldn't be surprised by the fact that men teat her with disrespect when she is behaving disrespectfully. This isn't about TRP being prudish and repressed. It's about the fact that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 09:04 PM |
| 6 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?... what? Promiscuity significantly increases the odds of infidelity and, in the case of marriage, divorce. Men, in general, to not "tend to beat women". you comment would only make sense if you changed that to read, "Men with a history of domestic violence". In fact, let's try tha ton for size: Men with a history of domestic violence tend to beat women. This means you can't afford to become emotionally invested in them (i.e. they aren't safe to have a relationship with). Makes sense doesn't it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 08:59 PM |
| 6 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?that's not something TRP can understand or empathize with. The issue isn't that TRPers can't empathize with women in that situation. The issue is that we've trained ourselves not too. Women have used empathy like a weapon against men and we've been forced to find ways to deactivate our empathy when dealing with them. Women who have more sex than TRP deems appropriate never deserves any love or happiness again. As, stated above, we train ourselves to turn off our empathy. That requires the cultiv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 08:52 PM |
| 4 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?Promiscuous people tend to have trouble maintaining committed relationships. That means you can't afford to become emotionally invested in them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 07:41 PM |
| 5 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?The issue isn't women who "have sex", it's women who are promiscuous, and are then shocked and hurt by the predictable consequences of their promiscuity. Humans, men in particular, enjoy seeing people who behave badly get their "comeuppance". A Red Piller's indifference towards that girl's angst is simply a manifestation of that phenomenon. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 07:35 PM |
| 0 | Why is a complaint over being treated badly by people that likely have shades of Madonna/whore complex re-framed as carousel guilt?There seems to be this constant undercurrent of thinking that says women that like sex are to be punished for liking sex Liking sex is not the problem. Being promiscuous, however, does rule a girl out as LTR material. The "cock carousel" is a metaphor for promiscuity, not a healthy enjoyment of sex with a partner who has committed to you. Simultaneously the type of girl you find in church groups and so on is pedestalized, but not pursued. Not sure where you're getting that from. The debate in TR… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 07:25 PM |
| 2 | How does women acting masculine, and vice versa, harm society?Ah, I see, you were trying to cite voting rights as an example of norms changing over time. I'm using "norm" in a statistical, rather than moral or cultural sense. Also, I'm not talking about specific behaviors which could be reasonably considered elements of culture. I'm talking about instinctive desires and the broad patterns of behavior people exhibit in response to those desires. Hence my use of homosexuality as an analogy. A homosexual man's attraction to other men cannot reasonably be cons… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 04:01 AM |
| 3 | How does women acting masculine, and vice versa, harm society?This is just semantics. No, it's a direct challenge to the idea that women's historically subordinate role in society was a product of a class conflict between men and women. Most societies throughout history were dominated by a small class of elites who denied power to everyone else regardless of gender. Universal suffrage is still not a social reality for men or women, not in America at any rate. In the face of that truth, the plaintive wailing from feminists about how long it took women to ge… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/14 12:23 AM |
| 4 | How does women acting masculine, and vice versa, harm society?But were most men barred from voting because they were men? No. And your point is? Men weren't granted the vote just because they were men, so you can't plausibly assert that women were denied the vote just because they were women. Voting was a privilege conveyed by power and the perception of social responsibility, regardless of gender. Women were not denied the vote because they were women. They were denied the vote because they lacked power and were perceived as irresponsible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/14 11:44 PM |
| 2 | How does women acting masculine, and vice versa, harm society?Okay, first off, comparing the plight of men to the plight of homosexuals is is...just...bad. Not comparable in the slightest. See the first section of my response to another commenter here. How long ago was it in the western world when women were barred from voting, for instance? And how long ago was it when most men were "barred" from voting? Answer: not long. Voting is not a right, it's a privilege. Through out most of history it was a privilege extended to a minority of people; specifically,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/14 05:54 PM |
| 1 | How does women acting masculine, and vice versa, harm society?The two situations are in no way comparable, unless you can provide some very convincing arguments for this. The presumption of pedophilia is an obvious parallel. One could make the argument that as this applies to all men, it does not support the idea that masculine men are the target. However, as masculinity is the default disposition of men, any marginalization of men in general is perforce an marginalization of masculinity. This ties into another parallel between the demonization of gay man … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/14 05:21 PM |
| -1 | How does women acting masculine, and vice versa, harm society?In general, the individuals who are naturally inclined to emulate the behavior of the opposite sex aren't harmful to society, because their numbers are so small. What has proven harmful is the promotion of such gender inversion among the general population. The demonization of masculinity, when practiced by men, has lead to many men being confused and conflicted about their own natures. In much the same way that homosexuals, prior to the rise of the gay rights movement, were tormented by the ide… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/02/14 02:27 AM |
| 2 | This sub is great.The problem remains that feminists have loaded the term "social construct", in regards to gender, to invoke 'a subjective idea used by men to oppress women'. I know you don't mean it in that way, but you reinforce the idea just by repeating the phrase. Keep in mind this sort of language is what feminists use to marginalize masculinity and depict it as harmful to society. This is, in reality, a subtle form of hate speech. It's like referring to someone's sexuality as "a life style choice". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 08:43 PM |
| 1 | This sub is great.Fair enough, but the use of the word "construct" in such a context is inaccurate and unnecessarily inflammatory. It implies something constructed, i.e. built for a purpose. Feminists use the term "social construct" to argue that gender roles are deliberately constructed to oppress women. This is the social construct narrative I mentioned. What you're discussing above is not a "social construct" but rather a "social phenomenon". I know it seems petty at first glance to take exception to one word,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 08:26 PM |
| 0 | New rules. New sidebar.I'd say it balances out. Two wrongs don't make a right. The point is not that men and women are being disrespected unequally, it's that men are being disrespected at all. There is also the fact that being a Dick or a cunt is a rather subjective standard. If I might suggest deleting both rules and replacing them with the following wording from the rules for /r/AskMen : Be respectful. Anyone is allowed to ask and answer questions. Do not provoke, troll or insult people. That makes the point I thin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 08:17 PM |
| 1 | This sub is great.I didn't say there's no "normal" gender dynamics. Where did I say that? I said my view is entirely my own. Fair enough, I was worried that I was misinterpreting you. That being said, then what is your view on gender dynamics? Obviously, gender is fluid, rather than binary. It has cultural and biological influences. That said, "Gender" as a word, describes a social construct. Are you saying it's fluid within the individual, or do you mean to say that individuals fall on a spectrum? Again, though … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 08:00 PM |
| 3 | This sub is great.I don't agree with any "normal" view of gender dynamics. I have constructed my own view based on the available information. Unless I'm badly misinterpreting you, that statement itself demonstrates how deep the programming goes. It emulates the feminist claim that gender roles are simply a social construct rather than reflecting biological norms. For almost all of recorded history, cultures the world over cast men and women as having normative gender roles and interactions based on biological pre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 06:44 PM |
| 1 | New rules. New sidebar."Don't be a dick", i.e. don't be a man is still rule #1 for this sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 06:36 PM |
| 2 | This sub is great.Theory: Women love opportunistically; their attraction and attachment to a male is predicated in large part on the material and social value he provides. Support: "We found that what men and women say they want is not the same as what they actually choose and that the actual choices made by men and women accord with a rough evolutionary-predicted trade-off, in this case between men's overall mate value [combining their wealth and status, family commitment and health] and women's self-perceived a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 06:34 PM |
| 0 | This sub is great.The subreddit doesn't have an explicit set of beliefs (which is why I asked); it's a joke sub setup to mock TRP. It's important to remember that "Blue Pill" is a term from TRP itself. It is used to label the beliefs (and the peopel who subscribe to those beliefs) which support the false view of society and gender dynamics which now dominates popular culture. Put simply, "Blue Pill" is what we call normal society. If you agree with the typical view of gender dynamics which is common in the west t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 06:17 PM |
| 1 | This sub is great.It's very easy to disavow a RP claim from an account that's one day old. It's very easy to misinterpret material on TRP when you aren't familiar with, or take a biased view on, the underlying theory. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 06:10 PM |
| 0 | This sub is great.I'd say at least half the conversations I have on this sub with red pillers end up with the RPer saying "you can't use science to prove the red pill" or "it's based on anecdotes and that's ok" or something similar. Then you aren't conversing with Red Pillers. TRP is based in no small part on evolutionary psychology, and many of us cite scientific studies and principles which support our views. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 05:47 PM |
| 0 | This sub is great.I don't subscribe to the blue pill. By that do you mean you don't subscribe to the subreddit, or to the belief system TRP has labeled Blue Pill? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 05:46 PM |
| 1 | New rules. New sidebar.The very idea that "dick" can be gender neutral is silly. Dick = phallus = manhood; which is the point of the rules, to convey that normative masculinity is unwelcome here. "Asshole" is an obvious substitute, but the fact that "dick" was chosen, twice, demonstrates some unsavory biases on the part of the mods here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 05:44 PM |
| 1 | New rules. New sidebar.Rule #1 and #7 are still showing a clear anti-masculine bias on the part of "the mod team". I'm not sure why you'd expect people who value masculinity to waste their time on a sub that is so clearly hostile to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 03:53 PM |
| 0 | This sub is great.There's frequently declaration of type "sluts are bad, get married already before it's too late" without any persuasion of why sluts are bad, why anyone needs to get married. Are they refusing to provide arguments to the point, or are their arguments simply being dismissed out of hand: i.e. declared "dubious". Anything can be cast as nonsensical when you take it out of context, and that's easy to do when you insist that the context "cannot stand up to scrutiny". Also, keep in mind that there are… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 03:49 PM |
| 0 | This sub is great.In other words you forbade him from standing up for himself, like a man, and insisted that he come running to the mods for help every time someone attacked him. Again, this is a problem with your feminized mentality. Men handle their own problems, and don't ask for help unless they need it. Self-sufficiency is part of the masculine identity. Once again, your hostility to masculinity (see the phrasing of rules 1 and 7) is the problem, not other people's behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 03:44 PM |
| 0 | This sub is great.The problem is that Blue Pillers want to have the debate only on their terms, and this sub is a great example of that. From a TRP perspective debating Blue Pillers is a lot like arguing with creationists. The world-views are so divergent, and they are so heavily conditioned, that engaging with them is not a productive use of one's time. Also, remember that a Blue Piller isn't someone who subscribes to /r/thebluepill, that's a joke sub. Blue Pillers are normal people. They are the ordinary people… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 02:52 PM |
| 0 | This sub is great./r/thebluepill is an ironic sub setup solely to mock TRP. It's not an ideological position in it's own right. That's why the whole concept of this sub is flawed. You're asking sincere people to debate with clowns. There's no point to that. There is a debate to be had between Red Pill and Blue Pill people, but real Blue Pillers don't admit that they are "Blue Pill". They just think that they are "normal". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/14 02:40 PM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Actually, I'm a proud misogynist. I'm not black mailing you regarding the rule. I'm sincere in my belief that it indicates a misandric baseline on this sub. The malice may not have been conscious and deliberate, but that does not mean it was absent. Part of TRP is understanding that our society has become so anti-masculine that people often default to misandry in their language and views. Feminists have had decades to shape public perceptions and the public discourse. As a result, language, beli… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 04:00 PM |
| 4 | The ugly truthYou get women approaching you in the way men approach them? Not with the same frequency. Typically it'll be one women a night, not really attractive, but do able in some cases. She'll come over, get suggestive in her language, and/or initiate physical contact. I'm saying I don't think there's the same level of sexual accommodation going on. Most men would need an ESPN multi angle + slomo + Rick Berman explained replay to know what just happened to them. Granted. The don't come right out and say … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 03:16 PM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?If you are wrong and it's totally fine, then why would I reword the rule? The question was "If I'm wrong about your hostility to masculinity". Apparently I'm not wrong. It's unfortunate, but I'm starting to see why so few people over on the RP subs take this place seriously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 05:12 AM |
| 4 | The ugly truthThe only men who get approached like women do are famous. I get approached about 50% of the time I go out. It's just that it's by unappealing women, who would do better but can't bring themselves to be more direct. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 05:09 AM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Masculinity isn't right just by virtue of being masculine in debate Nor is it wrong simply because it's masculine. Though that does seem to be the position you're staking out here. when discussing topics seriously it's not constructive to give someone a chiding about their masculinity It extremely productive when masculinity is part of the context of the discussion. Given the nature of this sub, masculinity is inherently part of the context. Masculinity, what it means to be a man, is a deeply im… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 05:07 AM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?You're deliberately using loaded language: smooth skin and a firm, muscled body Signs of good health & genes = attractive pudgy, wrinkled, balding Signs of bad health & genes = not attractive It's the physical decline you're describing which is off putting, not age itself. Yes, aging is often associate with a physical decline, but when the decline is not present (or not obvious) then age is not itself an issue. Case in point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 04:07 AM |
| 0 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Spartacus is a man, with primarily male friends. I think he knows about masculinity and male-male communication Not if he's the product of a feminized society, and many men today are the product of exactly such a society. there's a difference between masculine and insulting True, masculinity and masculine interactions, go well beyond the simple trading of insults. However, such verbal sparing is so common a masculine trait that many cultures have developed specific traditions around it. Even in … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 04:02 AM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?It's not an intellectually honest line of reasoning. It is when it's true. No, it's a post enlightenment idea of interactions. Yes, and the rationalism of the enlighten meant was succeeded by romanticism, which recognize that human beings are not creatures of reason, but rather creatures of passion which are merely capable of reason. That perspective in turn is being succeeded by a modern empiricism which recognizes the reality of human instinct. Part of that reality is accepting the instinctive… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 03:45 AM |
| -1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?I'll adjust it to be less personal, but I would contest the idea that I questioned his manhood "unnecessarily". Challenging each other, including each other's manhood, is part of how men interact. He wanted to converse as men, and we as doing so. He himself indulges in something similar in his response by suggesting that I wasn't conducting an "adult" conversation. To assert to a man that he isn't being an adult, is an attack on his manhood. Not that I mind, as I said above, this is part of how … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 03:13 AM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?I'm not a feminist Then why are you thinking like one? What the hell? "man card"? Who actually talks like that? Men talk like that. Part of the social function of men is to test and challenge each other. Issuing and addressing such challenges is part and parcel of mature conversations among men. The idea that a "actual adult intellectual conversation" is conciliatory, seeks to build consensus, and is concerned with avoiding offense is a feminine model of "adult" interactions. That's how women so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 02:51 AM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Please define "Being a dick" and "Personal attacks" per rules 1 and 5 so I can know how to rephrase. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 02:28 AM |
| 3 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?I know because I'm an aging person that over traded on bad boy appeal too. Based on your propensity to run your mouth without anything to back it up; you lack the credibility to believably make such a claim. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 12:59 AM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?While older men might be attractive, there are very few "unicorns" that are going to want a family with a man who is older. Especially one that has had a high number of sexual partners and no committed relationships. A 40 year old perma bachelor is not a catch for a woman in her early 20s. Wrong, pre-selection means that a man whom other women have "endorsed", by having sex with him, is more attractive to women in general. Unicorn in this particular discussion is a substantially attractive submi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/14 12:53 AM |
| 3 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?So you have no evidence of "hypocrisy" or "hamstering" at all. You're just assuming it because you can't accept that men and women are different and that different standards apply to them. So, yeah, you're just running your mouth with no way to back it up and no one should listen to you. Thanks for clearing that up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:49 PM |
| 3 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?And there's no evolutionary reason that a young women would ever want to date a man that old. He's a proven survivor, that acts a primafacia evidence of good genes. However to assert that it's "natural" for 25 year old women to want to date men in their 40s seems rather suspect. What is suspect about expecting a woman at the peak of her fertility to seek out a well established male and proven survivor to mate with? It's only suspect if you are irrationally bigoted against older men dating younge… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:45 PM |
| 5 | The ugly truthGoogle "neckbeard", get lots of "less put together" dudes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:33 PM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?I meant specific examples of this regarding Roissy. You called him out, that means you have an obligation to back up your claims (hamstering, hypocrisy). If you can't you're just running your mouth and no one should take you seriously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:31 PM |
| 3 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?No, some TRPers say that women who are worth committing to are unicorns. They also say that women who won't provide commitment free sex to Alphas are "unicorns". Personally, I believe they are overstating the case. The existence of such women is a topic of debate in TRP. That being said, the subtext of the "unicorn" debate is that even if you think you've found one, it's still not worth the risk of being wrong and getting your heart broken and life ruined. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:29 PM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?It depends whether you're talking about pure sexual attraction or LTR attraction, no? Yeah, that's always a variable, which is why I included both physic and finances. If you give a women the option to sleep with a ripped 25 year old and a ripped 45 year old, she'll choose the 25 year old almost every time. All other things being equal between the men (wealth, status, etc.) then I might buy that. However, such things are rarely equal. It's also not clear if the perceived preference of women for … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:24 PM |
| 2 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Do you have examples? The stereotype of a woman seeking to tame an appealing bad boy and convince him to "settle down" is pretty well established. Unlike The Wall for women, the decline of a man's appeal is not linked simply to age, but to a decline in status, resources, or physical health. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:16 PM |
| 5 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?It invalidates the theory that men want sex and women want commitment. That's always been an oversimplification. It's expresses the dichotomy between what each gender wants by over emphasizing it. Men and women both want sex and commitment from their partners. It's just a matter of the priority, the precedence, and how "commitment" is defined. Men tend to want sex before commitment, while women tend to want commitment before sex. The commitment men want is focused on sexual exclusivity, while th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 09:06 PM |
| 16 | The ugly truthYour bias is showing. The average man pic is well groomed and well dressed. The average woman pic is disheveled and wearing no make up. You clearly aren't presenting a fair example. For the sake of argument though, lets assume that you had. No one is saying that they won't have to put in effort, it's simply a question of who has to put in more. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 08:48 PM |
| 4 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Sure, most middle class (and up) men in the west were raised with the idea of finding our one true love just like women were. Most men also want kids, and, absent a "unicorn", parenthood is big risk for men in western nations. Men wanting a good woman they can safely love for the rest of their lives doesn't validate TRP, it's why TRP is necessary. We have to balance our romantic impulses with some hardhearted practicality or we run the risk of getting our lives ruined. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 08:19 PM |
| 1 | How does red pill deal with Roissys apparent hamstering and projections?Do you have some examples of this? Also, re: "Aging and walling". Men don't really have a "wall" in the sense that women do. Aging, in and of itself, in men is not unattractive. So long as a man maintains his physical and financial health he does not become substantially less appealing with age. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 08:15 PM |
| 5 | Attraction to dark triad men?The reason why NAWALT is denounced as a dishonest debate tactic in TRP isn't because it's false, it's because it's irrelevant. Do all women conform to the behavioral models posited by TRP? Of course not; some are asexual and are attracted to no one, some are lesbians and are attracted to other women. However, those are rare cases. The fact that 'Not All Women Are Like That' doesn't matter, because 'Most Women Are Like That' (MWALT) and that's the real issue. TRP deals with averages and norms; it… | /r/RedPillWomen | 27/01/14 07:56 PM |
| 10 | The ugly truth1st point: saying that women do not care as much about looks is not the same as saying that they don't care about looks at all. 2nd point: Commenters at TRP often present the General Case (something true 70%-90% of the time) as a Universal Truth. Some guys are genuinely that rigid in their thinking, but for most it's simply a mental shortcut. If you act like something which is generally true is always true, then you will be right most of the time. It's about playing the odds. 3rd point: Another … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 06:55 PM |
| 7 | How can 'alpha fucks beta bux' be evolved behavior? Wouldn't betas go extinct in one generation of that?The dynamic of "beta bux" is not that betas don't get sex, it's that they have to pay for it. Said payment may take the form of dates, gifts or "commitment", but the point is that they are being used as a resource. "Alpha fucks", by contrast, highlights the fact that women provide Alphas with sex eagerly, and without requiring a commitment of resources, because they are genuinely attracted to the Alpha. We see this dynamic in some other primate species. Females will primarily mate with the tribe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/14 05:46 PM |
| 3 | What I don't get is.....why do some men and women seem to hate each other so much? :/You don't understand hate, because you don't understand that humanity has sides, hence: I don't understand racism, or anti-Semitism, or the more positive patriotism Our humanity divides us, more than it unites us. If someone isn't on your side, then they are competition. In fact, they can be a "monster"; a threat to you and to the other people on your side, hence: We can ALL be monsters, you know. In our deep, dark, selfish human hearts. That's where the "hate" comes from. Hate is just instinct … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/01/14 06:10 PM |
| 13 | How is "hypergamy" different from "standards"?I think hypergamy is more constantly looking for an upgrade, even while in a committed relationship. It's not a matter of "constantly looking" it's matter of being attracted to the "upgrade." Just like, a man in a committed relationship will still be attracted to other, younger, beautiful women. However, with women as with men, they won't be looking, or inclined to act on the attraction, unless they aren't content in their relationship. Which brings us to your next point: if you're not the alpha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/14 09:25 PM |
| 1 | Wife has been getting upset lately on account of me not "acting like I like her". Is this a fitness test? How should I respond?Define "getting upset". What are her specific behaviors? For example her being nagging and argumentative, tends to indicate something very different from her being needy and crying a lot. | /r/askTRP | 25/01/14 04:06 PM |
| 8 | How is "hypergamy" different from "standards"?They're different in two main ways. They differ in terms of awareness. "Standards" are a conscious phenomena; you are aware that you have them and you are aware when you apply them. "Hypergamy", on the other hand, is a largely subconscious instinct. Most women (there are exceptions) being influenced by it aren't aware of it. They just know that they are attracted to guy 'A' but not attracted to guy 'B'. They also differ in terms of objectivity. When someone sets a standard it tends to have an ob… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/01/14 04:01 PM |
| 1 | What does TRP want from women?all behavior is learned False, and so transparently false that it's clear there's no point debating with you further. If simple reality can't persuade you of the facts, then I certainly don't stand a chance of doing so. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/14 11:45 PM |
| 1 | What does TRP want from women?It's supposed be an absurd statement, so I'm glad you understood that. It's designed to be the extreme, or ideal. She's referencing how she can't act in a correct way. So i decide write statement to kind meet her post. I think ideally that's what TRPers would want, but that's not possible. You're missing the point. What you've described, isn't an ideal in TRP. It's not even close. TRP actually works on behavioral cues. What the explain in fact your woman is doing X, you should do Y. You're think… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/14 10:43 PM |
| -1 | What's your opinion of submissive or feminine men?Perhaps feminine men are defensive because they are constantly shamed. Perhaps by hearing things like that they aren't real men? No doubt. One of the things we need to do with our society, is move towards an awareness that "man" and "woman" are not the only gender categories people naturally sort into. Many societies have a concept of "third genders" to accommodate such individuals. A feminine man shouldn't have to feel like he needs to be a "real man". His natural inclination to bridge the gap … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/14 10:25 PM |
| 1 | What does TRP want from women?You, honestly, have no understanding of TRP. This statement alone is completely absurd: instead of emotions, there would be agreements TRP teaches men to expect women to be emotional and to make decisions based on their emotions. TRP doesn't encourage men to sit down an negotiate with women, rather it teaches us how to appeal to their basic instincts. You really need to change your flair. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/14 10:00 PM |
| 2 | What does TRP want from women?What does TRP want form women? Nothing. TRP is about acknowledging the reality of human sexual strategies, and their impact on individual relationships and society at large. TRP is a perspective on the world; not an agenda. Individual men who adopt the TRP perspective have their own agendas where women are concerned. That's where you're seeing "inconsistency". It's different men, wanting different things. Men who want sex are encouraged to shamelessly use sluts for their own gratification. Men w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/14 09:55 PM |
| -1 | What's your opinion of submissive or feminine men?what are your thoughts of feminine or submissive men? They should be free to be who they are. I believe that for the vast majority of such men their femininity is an innate bias not a, to borrow a term, "life style choice". That being said, they should recognize that they are in the minority and have no right to try to set standards for the majority. I tend to loose patience with feminine men when they refuse to acknowledge that they are feminine. Sometimes a feminine man will take offense the i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/14 09:05 PM |
| 2 | Humans Can't Be Empathetic And Logical At The Same TimeWhat are the implications for RP theory, if any? Hard to say, since the study is so small and wasn't segregated by gender. Given the recent research showing distinct differences between male and female neural processing patterns it's important to segregate neurological studies like this. That being said, these results aren't surprising. This study simply supports a fairly conventional view that a person's judgement is suspect when they are emotionally invested in something. It re-enforces the id… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/01/14 08:18 PM |
| 5 | Team Woman vs Team Her Man, Why RPW generates so much hostilityThere is no Team Man, because men don’t give a shit about other men. Depends on how you define "other men." Men will form teams, call it Team My Bros. All "other men" are then viewed as competitors/threats. The problem we have in America is that we emphasize individualism as an ideology so fiercely that most Team My Bros, consist of only a few individuals. Team Man never shows up in the U.S. because men here are encouraged to compete aggressively with each other. And in western nations with a st… | /r/RedPillWomen | 23/01/14 09:25 PM |
| 1 | Are men being forced to be less manly? Rather than address the facts Rex W. Huppke sneers and disparages men's issuesSon, having the truth on your side is practically irrelevant. Confidence, not facts, is what persuades most people. You need learn to speak with the courage of your convictions if you're going to influence anyone. | /r/MensRights | 23/01/14 03:20 AM |
| 1 | Are men being forced to be less manly? Rather than address the facts Rex W. Huppke sneers and disparages men's issuesAnd I'm too much of a chickenshit And your cowardice is why you will accomplish nothing. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 11:20 PM |
| 3 | Are men being forced to be less manly? Rather than address the facts Rex W. Huppke sneers and disparages men's issuesIt's not simply about men being forced to be less manly. It's about masculinity itself being discredited; portrayed as immature at best, and dangerous at worst. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 11:18 PM |
| 0 | I used to think Wil Wheaton was coolAre you a man? Seriously, I have to ask, because based on the thought process you're displaying here it really doesn't seem like it. | /r/MensRights | 22/01/14 01:20 PM |
| -4 | I used to think Wil Wheaton was coolFirstly, you're essentially advocating for going around calling people faggots and pussies like 14 year olds. You're buying into the feminist model of maturity which depicts typically masculine actions, like challenging another man, as immature. You probably shouldn't be an MRA until you learn to deprogram yourself and stop thinking like a feminist. He has nothing to fear from being called a faggot or mangina. Men instinctively fear and dislike having their masculinity challenged. The reality of… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 09:11 PM |
| -1 | I used to think Wil Wheaton was coolWhat should be challenged is his compassion to other human beings. BZZZT!!! Wrong, but thanks for playing. Men are the expendable gender. We don't get sympathy, so appealing for compassion is counter productive. Challenging another man's masculinity, on the other hand, carries an implicit threat. It is a statement which demands attention and redress, and as such it's far more effective as a tactic than whinging for pity. | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 02:09 PM |
| 3 | "We have to analyse this by taking our priviledge into account." A teacher's way of neglecting my MR view.I'm in need of help to counter this 'reasoning' because I still have 10 weeks of this and I want to be prepared. You aren't going to persuade her of anything. What you need to do record everything she says for documentation purposes. Then, once you've recorded multiple instances of her using language which reveals a clear bias against men, you use those records as the basis of a complaint against her with the university. When you file the complaint ask for a meeting with the dean. During the mee… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 12:27 AM |
| 6 | 22 Things Only Single Women UnderstandShe wants a man that will add value to her life, but she doesn't consider what value she might need to bring to his life. More than that, she wants a man who provides vast value, without considering that she doesn't have vast value to match him. The unrealistic sense of entitlement at play with her is intensely egregious. It's like someone with no education, no experience, and no real skills expecting to land a six figure job. | /r/RedPillWomen | 18/01/14 04:49 AM |
| 6 | 22 Things Only Single Women UnderstandThe cognitive dissonance runnign through this article is pretty intense. This is my favorite example: 8. Not having the option to go halfsies on shit. Single women are constantly lectured on being too “immature” to handle real relationships, but we’re damn well mature enough to be financially independent, which is more than some (not all) women in couples can say. The title says she resents not having the option to split costs with a partner, but the following paragraph indicates she wants credi… | /r/RedPillWomen | 17/01/14 10:19 PM |
| 6 | 22 Things Only Single Women UnderstandIf we assume: Smart = top 20% in intelligence Funny = top 20% in personality Interesting = top 20% in lifestyle Attractive = top 20% in looks Then: 20% x 20% x 20% x 20% = .16% Her odds of finding a guy who meets her standards are 1 in 625. And that's not counting the effect that having to compete with other (often younger and more attractive) women for such a man, would have on her odds. | /r/RedPillWomen | 17/01/14 10:14 PM |
| 11 | 22 Things Only Single Women UnderstandBoth. She wants sympathy, but she wants it without admitting to any vulnerability. | /r/RedPillWomen | 17/01/14 09:55 PM |
| 2 | New report says millions of women at risk of falling into poverty, economic ruinYup, but that's the modern world for you. Men and women are now competing classes, rather than complimentary. Men forget that at their peril. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/01/14 04:02 PM |
| 18 | New report says millions of women at risk of falling into poverty, economic ruinMy heart bleeds... Oh, and this is priceless: "Men are totally a part of this conversation, in terms of how they raise their daughters, in terms of how they support their wives and their partners," Yeah, not in terms of their wants and desires, just in terms of how they can service women. | /r/TheRedPill | 13/01/14 10:28 PM |
| 7 | When some guy/orbiter constantly insults you around a girlI gotta disagree; #2 indicates that you're carefully keeping track of all the shit he's talking. It conveys that he matters to you, and that you are threatened by him. That's not the message you want to send in a situation like this, not unless you're prepared to back it up by getting physical. This conveys the attitude you want, if not the precise words to use. If you're not comfortable with complete indifference then, amused mastery is another option. If you can make eye contact with the girl … | /r/askTRP | 13/01/14 09:54 PM |
| 10 | Chivalry.Why it doesn't it work anymore? Most importantly , how could it be working in the past? Are not women the same?There's a lot of people all over this thread invoking a technical definition of chivalry going back to the origins of the term in the high middle ages. I get the feeling that's really not what you're talking about. You want to know about what I'd call casual, or modern, chivalry. That sort of chivalry basically constitutes men granting women precedence in a number of different and relatively minor ways. Examples of this include yours from above "opening a door to a girl or at least giving her th… | /r/askTRP | 12/01/14 09:59 PM |
| 2 | What does the ideal housewife's day consist of?That's why I added the caveat of "things both of you would value". When doing any kind of home improvement it's important to maintain the mentality of improving "our home" rather than "my home". | /r/RedPillWomen | 11/01/14 07:55 PM |
| 4 | What does the ideal housewife's day consist of?I don't care for the term "housewife". Like "houseplant" or "house-pet" it implies something fragile which must be kept indoors for it's own good. As a man what I find appealing is the ideal of a "homemaker". It better reflects the productive ('maker') role that woman plays for a man by improving his living space ('home'). Is there anything else I can consider including? In general you should think about how you can add value to the home you share with your husband. Preferably, things both of yo… | /r/RedPillWomen | 11/01/14 06:35 PM |
| 5 | "Game is the only thing which matters" vs female hypergamyTRP is a school of thought, not an orthodox doctrine. You should expect to see various view points debated here. For myself, I think that if your focus is exclusively on using game to get laid then you should look into joining a PUA/seduction forum which specializes in that. PUA and TRP overlap, but they are not the same thing. | /r/TheRedPill | 09/01/14 10:02 PM |
| 3 | Help with my brother, please :(Appeal to his protective instincts and sense of responsibility by explaining that this woman isn't wrecking his life, she's also wrecking his son's. | /r/RedPillWomen | 08/01/14 02:57 PM |
| 3 | "What is Masculinity?"You're defining masculinity too narrowly. What you're really talking about here is simply power. That's an element of masculinity, but it's not the whole concept. Masculinity is complex of interrelated traits. Here's how I think of it: power - the ability to achieve a desired end ambition - the desire to achieve noteworthy ends dominance - the ability to achieve your ends using others as a means courage - the willingness to take risks to achieve a desired end reputation - an awareness on the par… | /r/TheRedPill | 08/01/14 12:03 AM |
| 24 | What proof or evidence would you need from a "slutty" girl in order to be convinced that she's absolutely not a slut?An intact hymen. | /r/askTRP | 06/01/14 01:41 AM |
| 16 | Question from a 19FYeah, and one of the reasons guys are going to be less judgmental with you is because they want to have sex with you. Don't get me wrong, it's not conscious for most guys. They'll just be inclined to overlook your foibles because their instincts override their judgement. edit: typo | /r/askTRP | 06/01/14 01:06 AM |
| 6 | Beware of Straw Red PillsJust take a moment to revel in the cognitive dissonance of what you just wrote: I don't have to persuade people. I want to make a point ... The only good reason to make a point, is to persuade others. If you aren't trying to persuade others, then the only person you're making a point to is yourself and those who already think like you. In other words, you're just interested in preaching to the choir. It doesn't matter what point you have to make, since you're only talking to people who already a… | /r/TheRedPill | 06/01/14 12:58 AM |
| 5 | Beware of Straw Red PillsThe sidebar is a resource, not a doctrine. The sperg-lord who posted this call for a political purge clearly doesn't understand that. It's a sign of his own inability to think for himself. | /r/TheRedPill | 05/01/14 10:18 PM |
| 2 | Does this TRP advice apply to me?if they just workout and groom Actually, confidence and good social skills are more important than your physique. I once saw a short tubby guy convince two cute girls to join him for a menage-a-tois through pure charisma. | /r/askTRP | 05/01/14 12:16 AM |
| -2 | The Dunning-Kruger EffectFunny how before finding TRP I was extremely liberal, now I find so many issues with liberal ideology and reality I can't really call myself that anymore. That just proves your impressionable. | /r/TheRedPill | 04/01/14 11:26 PM |
| 6 | The Dunning-Kruger EffectCivilization and, for that matter, democracy is about redressing this to some extent so that power is more evenly distributed in society (and Reddit is very loud on the subject of when it isn't). The makes zero sense. Democracy, like any form of government, favors those who succeed in setting an agenda and duping suckers to follow that agenda. Again, the powerful rise. And civilization tends to concentrate power, not distribute it. Notice the sad attempt to invoke social conformity by implying t… | /r/TheRedPill | 04/01/14 11:23 PM |
| 9 | The Dunning-Kruger EffectThey mostly call themselves "liberals" So do many people who'd agree with much of TRP. TRP isn't about conservatism vs. liberalism. Yes, feminists are considered 'leftists', but many 'white knights' are traditional conservatives. TRP doesn't fit into the standard left/right political divide, and bringing crude ideological labels into the discussion isn't productive. | /r/TheRedPill | 04/01/14 11:08 PM |
| 7 | 23 year old virgin posts to CMV that he's frustrated and considering TRP. Helpful redditers assure him it's a bad idea. I posted a response to one such redditor and I wanted to share.He admits that his wife reads "Jezebel and Feministing". It doesn't matter what you write, you aren't going to get through to him. | /r/TheRedPill | 04/01/14 01:25 AM |
| 1 | In Which a woman accidentally and unabashedly describes the experience of female hypergamy in action, excuses it and laughsTrue, it's a great example of hypergamy and emotional rationalization (hamstering) in action. | /r/RedPillWomen | 02/01/14 12:51 AM |
| 11 | In Which a woman accidentally and unabashedly describes the experience of female hypergamy in action, excuses it and laughsI think you've misinterpreted the article. It's not excusing hypergamy, it's arguing that it's a misleading impulse: She pulled away. She looked at the other lover. She saw, for the first time, how little he really had. What had seemed like so much was actually nothing. It had seemed like more because it was missing, and all she could focus on was that small absence. She didn't see everything else was full. The use of "other lover" here is misleading because it implies that the relationship invo… | /r/RedPillWomen | 01/01/14 08:57 PM |
| 9 | Retroactive jealousyMy partner has had a past. I too have had a past. Your past and her past are not equivalent. Your prior successes getting sex from women make you a better choice of mate for her, but her prior failures getting commitment from men make her a worse choice for you. Past is prologue; promiscuous women are more likely to cheat. A woman with failed relationships in her past is likely to be a woman with failed relationships in her future. Is retroactive jealousy just one big giant needy beta trying to … | /r/askTRP | 31/12/13 03:20 AM |
| 1 | CNN: Should false rape accusers be sued?her BAC had been about 0.1%, slightly over the legal limit to drive Legal driving limits are set to where alcohol impairs motor control and reflexes, not where it impairs memory. She was drunk, but her BAC doesn't reflect her being as "heavily intoxicated" as she and her lawyer claim. A BAC of 0.1% is well short of what you'd need for the memory loss she's reporting. So, again, her story is inconsistent with the facts. | /r/MensRights | 20/12/13 01:57 PM |
| 7 | Feminist tells woman she was raped on her wedding night because she was drunk.It's a screen capture from 4chan... you might want to take it with a grain of salt. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/12/13 02:16 AM |
| 1 | CNN: Should false rape accusers be sued?if you extrapolate what it may have been at the time of the incident No, your point is the article I quoted might be wrong, according to your personal, un-sourced estimates. My point is that even if she was drunk, that doesn't prove she didn't consent. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 04:40 PM |
| 1 | CNN: Should false rape accusers be sued?The problem with treating it as a race issue is that approach sets the stage for things like the Duke Lacrosse scandal. Where the prospect that the accusation is false is not only not considered, it can't even be raised without accusations of both sexism and racism being thrown around. I googled the author of this op-ed and found this. She does mention the Duke scandal, and clearly shows that she is aware of the peril of false rape accusations. It's very disturbing, however, that she's still put… | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 04:21 PM |
| 0 | CNN: Should false rape accusers be sued?Your point? If you get drunk and have sex with someone you're still responsible for that act. Just as if you get drunk and drive your still legally culpable. Intoxication does not eliminate agency and responsibility. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 02:58 PM |
| 1 | CNN: Should false rape accusers be sued?Which means any Rape accusation, which cannot be substantiated, has to be treated as a false accusation. It's the only way to balance the process and protect innocent men. | /r/MensRights | 19/12/13 02:56 PM |
| 3 | CNN: Should false rape accusers be sued?we honestly don't know what happened. Yeah, and according to her statements, she doesn't really know what happened either. Accusing someone of a felony, ruining their reputation, and trying to ruin their life, when you don't remember what happened clearly, is morally indefensible. And that's assuming she's being honest about the claim that she doesn't remember what happened. The fact that his name got wrecked is a whole different issue besides false rape accusations. That's nonsense. His name wa… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 08:56 PM |
| 8 | CNN: Should false rape accusers be sued?Honestly, I don't see it as progress on men's issues. The author in question is clearly only concerned about false accusations leveled against black men. This is an article about race relations, not men's rights. | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 08:06 PM |
| 23 | CNN: Should false rape accusers be sued?Throughout the investigation, Winston insisted that the sex was consensual. And his unidentified accuser equally insisted she was raped but was heavily intoxicated and had a "broken memory" of events. However, toxicology reports found no drugs in her system and very low alcohol levels. Complicating the case further, Winston's DNA was found on the woman's underwear and a second DNA sample, reportedly from her boyfriend, was found on her shorts. Woman cheats on boyfriend. Later claims she was drun… | /r/MensRights | 18/12/13 08:02 PM |
| 2 | Feminist Programming Language: I don't think this is satire. Comedy gold in the author's comments.Number 6 is genius: On the off chance that objects do mysteriously manifest (thanks, Patriarchy!), there should be no object inheritance, as inheritance is a tool of the Patriarchy. Instead, there will be object reparations. I had to wipe some of my coffee of my screen after reading that one. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/12/13 04:28 PM |
| 1 | Feminist Programming Language: I don't think this is satire. Comedy gold in the author's comments.A non-normative paradigm would be something that does not reinforce normative realizations of what a programming language is. ... The ideas is that the standard, normative, concepts reinforce the values and ideologies of societies[sic] standards. ... I am asking questions about the cultural, social impact of normal programming constructs. She's not asserting that existing coding standards and practices are sexist, but she's implying the fuck out of it. This is just the basic feminist positions o… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/12/13 03:57 PM |
| 2 | The Difference between TRP and RPWI do think it plays a larger role than genetics. As for facts, I would have to look at more research. I would recommend looking into adoption and twin studies on heritable behavioral traits. The results might surprise you, or you might dismiss them or rationalize them away to maintain your biases. The apparent effect cultures have on people's behaviors or desires gives a lot of credibility to Social Learning Theory. Social Learning Theory amounts to little more than "monkey see, monkey do". It a… | /r/RedPillWomen | 12/12/13 09:38 PM |
| 1 | The Difference between TRP and RPWThe variation I was referring to was in behavior/tendencies associated with masculinity or femininity. I should have been more specific. No, I understood that was your meaning, but there is no reason to assume those behaviors/tendencies are not biologically rooted, and a great deal of evidence suggesting they are. I had meant to imply was that I do not believe anyone ought to behave more or less like either gender. They don't have to, but they do. Then your beliefs are in conflict with the facts… | /r/RedPillWomen | 12/12/13 08:56 PM |
| 3 | The Difference between TRP and RPWI think that environment and culture play larger roles in causing behavior among genders. In my experience the differing views of people are shaped by their differing experiences (experiences that; teach them how to interact with the world). I wish that were true. Unfortunately, people's experiences of the world are filtered through their biases, and many of those biases seem to be a product of biology. Environment and culture certainly play a role, but the strong influence of biology should not… | /r/RedPillWomen | 12/12/13 03:51 PM |
| 6 | Redpill why are you so scary?Could you be wrong about some women? Of course. Anyone who deals in absolutes is setting themselves up for a fall, because there are exceptions to every rule. TRP simply recommends playing the odds and keeping your eyes open. Could this girl be different? Sure, it's a possibility. If your description of her makes her sound like an extremely introverted person. Many of the issues with "modern women" won't apply to some one like that, so she'll seem like a "classic female". There is, however, a ca… | /r/askTRP | 06/12/13 03:03 AM |
| 8 | Feminists want chivalry back.Feminists didn't ruin it for us in this case, yes it's a little harder because you have to earn it now You always had to earn it, it's just that pre-feminism women earned it via their default behavior. A woman "earns" chivalry from men by treating them with respect and appreciation. Thanks to feminism, women don't treat men that way by default anymore. | /r/RedPillWomen | 05/12/13 03:45 PM |
| 3 | Feminists want chivalry back.Link? | /r/RedPillWomen | 04/12/13 09:54 PM |
| 2 | This baffles me - the RED pill / BLUE pill paradoxOr buying toys for a single mom's kids. | /r/askTRP | 20/11/13 11:47 PM |
| 1 | This baffles me - the RED pill / BLUE pill paradoxwhoever would want to do something nice for someone without something in return? Most men would, but many people no longer appreciate that. So men now have to protect themselves from their own altruistic impulses if they don't want to be systematically taken advantage of. | /r/askTRP | 20/11/13 11:39 PM |
| 1 | This baffles me - the RED pill / BLUE pill paradoxNo. Believing you should do nice things for her with out any expectation of reciprocity or appreciation would be internalized feminism. | /r/askTRP | 20/11/13 11:29 PM |
| 2 | This baffles me - the RED pill / BLUE pill paradoxIf you're referring to the BP subeditor, it's a parody. If your referring to the BP phenomenon in western cultures, it came about in a couple of ways: Some aspects of BP, 'beta' behavior date back to a time when men were presumed to be superior to women. Thus, they did not negatively impact a man's status. Instead the served to reassure women that they could trust the man in question. Some aspects of BP, 'beta' behavior are promoted by feminists and women generally because it advantages them ove… | /r/askTRP | 20/11/13 04:58 PM |
| 1 | White KnightingWell should men stand by when women are being treated violently? Yes. Look at the statistics on violence. Women are most commonly victimized by people they have chosen to associate with. In situation like that a person isn't an innocent victim. They are knowing participants in their own victimization. Are women occasionally attacked by complete strangers? Yes, but not as often as men. Despite this we see politicians push things like the Violence Against Women Act, while ignoring the plight of me… | /r/askTRP | 16/11/13 07:09 PM |
| 1 | White KnightingI think this creates a stigma where guys will not stick up for a woman ever out of fear of being labeled as this lowest of the low white knight beta. Don't say it like it's a bad thing. Given the changes in western societies gender relations guys shouldn't be sticking up for women anymore. It makes sense to stigmatize mal-adaptive and anti-social behaviors and that's what men advocating for women has become. | /r/askTRP | 16/11/13 02:30 AM |
| 2 | GF refuses to do something for me which she used to do to please her ex - what do I do?Everyone says "Communication is the key to good relationships", but they forget that there's a lot more to communication than just talking. In fact, talk is cheap. You want her to show you how important you are to her, not to tell you. So you need to show her that you feel unfulfilled, rather than just telling her how you feel. It may seem counter productive to say "Nothing" or otherwise blow her off when she asks you what's wrong, but what you're really doing is communicating to her that the is… | /r/askTRP | 07/11/13 10:14 PM |
| 2 | GF refuses to do something for me which she used to do to please her ex - what do I do?I know I can never be fully happy knowing that she is not willing to do something for me, who she claims she loves more than anything, that she used to do to please her scumbag ex, who she says she wasn’t in love with It sounds like what's frustrating you is that she isn't willing to work as hard to please you as she was her ex. That's a legitimate complaint, but what you may be missing is the fact that you may be easier to please than her ex. The solution is to become harder to please. We did i… | /r/askTRP | 07/11/13 09:54 PM |
| 1 | Testosterone increases reciprocity/generosity in non-competitive situations (x-post /r/science)Long story short, a study has been produced linking testosterone to pro-social (positive) behavior when the individual in question is in a dominant position or non-competitive situation. This would indicate that the creation of a competitive dynamic between men and women (a la feminism) makes men relatively anti-social compared to how they would act towards women from a dominant position. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/13 06:43 PM |
| 12 | What to do with bizarre procreation urges?The urge to reproduce is not "bizarre", it's completely natural. If the timing isn't right for you to have kids then you shouldn't act on the urge, however being inconvenient doesn't make your desires strange. | /r/RedPillWomen | 30/09/13 02:48 PM |
| 16 | Girl game: It's as easy as pie.I have a major sweet-tooth. Any woman who makes good pies will always be able to win a place in my heart. | /r/RedPillWomen | 25/09/13 07:04 PM |
| 3 | What do you think are the day-to-day behavior expectations for a "good" Red Pill woman?Never forget that a romantic relationship is supposed to be a partnership, not a competition. If your relationship feels like a power struggle then you're doing something wrong. | /r/RedPillWomen | 23/09/13 10:44 PM |
| 18 | Western Women Goes To Live in Japan, Complains She Can’t Get A Relationship But Attacks “Nerdy Men” Who Are Getting Laid - Someone’s Bitter!Most westerners in Asia will by default be percieved as tall, rude, and aggressive in comparison to the locals. Those traits aren't inherently negative for men, but they are for women. | /r/TheRedPill | 21/09/13 02:26 PM |
| 2 | We as men need to put our foot down and stand up to misandry in America. "In 147 out of 150 of America's biggest cities, median full-time salaries are 8 percent higher for these women than for their male peers."my gut tells me a lot of it was his resuming a dominant family role. That's what I was getting at. She assuaged her hypergamy by helping a lesser man turn into a better one. what's especially commendable is her being realistic about the process by giving him incentives, structure, and support Facing the wall, she was 29 when they met, probably helped her be realistic. they had the opinion that if you're depressed or imperfect, then you're not worth the trouble This is part of the "feminist mind-… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/09/13 04:01 PM |
| 2 | We as men need to put our foot down and stand up to misandry in America. "In 147 out of 150 of America's biggest cities, median full-time salaries are 8 percent higher for these women than for their male peers."Eric also started a lucrative side company, boosting his income to be higher than his wife's. No surprise that she is happy with the out come. The unfortunate reality is that her approach, supporting her man and helping him improve himself, is not compatible with the feminist mind set which predominates among successful upper-class women. | /r/TheRedPill | 19/09/13 02:35 PM |
| 1 | We as men need to put our foot down and stand up to misandry in America. "In 147 out of 150 of America's biggest cities, median full-time salaries are 8 percent higher for these women than for their male peers."This is just sad: "I'm attracted to guys who are ambitious and successful, but there has to be room for my ambition too." Used to be an ambitious woman would define her success by her ability to partner with an ambitious man she could support and whose success would become her own (e.g. "behind every great man stands a great woman"). Now feminism has taught ambitious women that they must compete with their men rather than be their partners; hence, "there has to be room for my ambition". Sorry si… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/09/13 02:12 PM |
| 1 | We as men need to put our foot down and stand up to misandry in America. "In 147 out of 150 of America's biggest cities, median full-time salaries are 8 percent higher for these women than for their male peers."Funny thing is; that comes just two paragraphs after this acknowledgement of hypergamy, and the preference of masculine men for feminine women: Helen Fisher, an anthropologist and expert on gender roles, believes that after studying 40,000 people, she has found a biological explanation for why high-achieving women are having trouble finding compatible mates. "The kind of woman who's really rising in her career in her 20s tends to be high in testosterone," she said. "She often wants a high-testos… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/09/13 02:05 PM |
| 6 | "Anytime you feel the need to ask if a woman likes you, all you have to do is ask her to do something that isn’t convenient for her. If she is not willing to do it, she doesn’t like you."This is a good rule of thumb for dealing with people in general. | /r/TheRedPill | 19/09/13 01:40 PM |
| 19 | The Difference between TRP and RPWThat's not a "consensus" on TRP. It's a caricature of modern gender relations held by one faction in the debate. Also, given "common law marriage" laws in some states; cohabitation and raising a family together present the same risks as "a formalized legal contract". | /r/RedPillWomen | 19/09/13 09:24 AM |
| 6 | How important is the type/brand/cost of a guy's automobile to game and playing the sexual market?A high quality (in terms of brand name and reputation) vehicle is a status symbol and women are attracted to high status men. It's like a form of social proofing, but really expensive. | /r/askTRP | 15/09/13 02:28 AM |
| 1 | BimbosMy take on the red pill is that you acknowledge the dark fallen nature of humanity but reject it into something higher and dignified. No. The Red Pill is about acknowledging the reality of human nature, particularly in terms of the sexual strategies instinctive to the male and female gender and admitting that "sexual strategy is amoral". It's not about rising above our "dark fallen nature", rather it is about accepting it without judgement and adapting oneself to that reality. I see this bimbo t… | /r/RedPillWomen | 14/09/13 01:42 AM |
| 5 | The Difference between TRP and RPWI wouldn't even go so far as to say that The Red Pill out right "advises against it" as a whole. Like I said, there is a debate about whether it's worth while. What The Red Pill does make clear is that it's dangerous to men and they should not enter into it our of naive romanticism. | /r/RedPillWomen | 13/09/13 01:21 PM |
| 0 | Girl I'm seeing says she is going to "punish" me for forgetting our date tonight. How to respond?"Punished? OK, I'll let you spank my monkey" | /r/askTRP | 12/09/13 06:30 PM |
| 0 | The No True Alpha FallacyAh! That explains it. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/09/13 01:37 PM |
| 1 | what happens to us guys at the end?Can you really? Yes. Even if true AI—or robots who can otherwise emulate most human facilities—emerged within the next 20 years... The critical thing to understand is that while "true AI" (better known as Strong AI or AGI for artificial general intelligence) is possible by the early twenty-thirties, it's not actually necessary to eliminate most professions. What's known as Narrow A.I., learning & reasoning systems build to handle specific tasks, will take care of that. ...it still wouldn't be ma… | /r/TheRedPill | 12/09/13 12:26 AM |
| 1 | what happens to us guys at the end?Ah the old education/training panacea. Unfortunately the expertise to which you refer cannot be easily, quickly, or universally acquired. High-level professions are high level because they are difficult, not everyone can do them. What's more automation in the past meant the elimination of routine tasks. Now we are increasingly seeing the automation of intellectually complex tasks like writing and legal research. Given my own work in the field of artificial intelligence I can tell you with confid… | /r/TheRedPill | 11/09/13 07:44 PM |
| 10 | A clear example of feminism's unintended consequencesThe welfare stae is not a product of feminism; it is the product of industrialization and the decreased value of physical labor in industrialized societies. Feminism, similarly, is a product of technology. Without birth control, and the marginalization of physical labor modern feminism would not be possible. | /r/TheRedPill | 11/09/13 07:00 PM |
| 1 | what happens to us guys at the end?Men aren't a species. We are a gender. Men don't run the world; not collectively anyways. Most of the people who run the world are men, but that doesn't help other men because men computer with each other. As for how it "ends"; the accelerating automation of our economy will eventually bring an end to almost all employment and force a dramatic expansion of the welfare state. Women will remain attracted to socially dominant alphas and will no long need the material support of betas. As a result a… | /r/TheRedPill | 11/09/13 06:48 PM |
| 1 | The No True Alpha FallacyThe Alpha/Beta didactic is about dominance vs submission. Dominance leads to success with women, so alpha status may be inferred from success with women. Such success, however, is not the defining characteristic. Part of the problem is that dominance and submission are relative and contextual. A man who is a "complete fuck up in life" may be a Beta in his family's home, but still display dominant traits is social settings which allow him to attract women. He may also have success only with low c… | /r/TheRedPill | 11/09/13 06:20 PM |
| 3 | The No True Alpha FallacyAlpha is a much abused term. In general it signifies dominance. Typically it is used in contrast with Beta, which implies submission. As women are attracted to dominant men, success with women is a fair demonstration of alpha traits, though that is not the only metric. It is divorced from morality and many of the most alpha men in our society may in fact by amoral/psychopaths. | /r/TheRedPill | 11/09/13 06:07 PM |
| 7 | The No True Alpha Fallacyprotecting the community Where are you getting this crap? The defining trait of the alpha is social dominance, not social justice. A wise alpha protects his community when it serves his interest because it is his power base. However,rote ting his community is in no way his function, nor is it a requirement of the role. | /r/TheRedPill | 11/09/13 06:00 PM |
| 0 | The No True Alpha FallacyFor the life of me I can never figure out if these chuckle heads are trolls or just naive teenagers. | /r/TheRedPill | 11/09/13 05:54 PM |
| 8 | 1 in 4 Asian men have raped women? Bullshit, here's why.Funny how these studies are never reported as "75% of men have never even pushed a woman no matter the provocation." | /r/MensRights | 11/09/13 04:19 PM |
| 8 | 1 in 4 Asian men have raped women? Bullshit, here's why.Yep, the math checks out: Being a normal man makes you a rapist, according to feminists. | /r/MensRights | 11/09/13 03:53 PM |
| 0 | This is what 6 year olds are learningThe defining characteristic of the alpha is his social dominance, not his adherence to reason. Maintaining social dominance requires an ability and willingness to play to the emotions of those around you. | /r/TheRedPill | 11/09/13 02:59 PM |
| 1 | This is what 6 year olds are learningYou cited Socrates as an authority to support you contention that sophistry is "highly wrong". I cited his failure to effectively defend himself as primafacia evidence that his approach to persuasion was flawed. The use of the phrase "highly wrong" and your appeal to authority makes it seems like you are arguing a moral abstraction. Sophistry is "highly wrong" because it "subverts" Reason and Reason is a virtue. If this is a misinterpretation of your argument then please feel free to clarify you… | /r/TheRedPill | 11/09/13 02:54 PM |
| 1 | This is what 6 year olds are learningSo clearly his expertise in matters of persuasion is subject to a certain amount of reasonable doubt. Though, to give him credit, he'd probably point out that your invoking his name is simply an appeal to authority, which is itself a logical fallacy. | /r/TheRedPill | 11/09/13 02:02 PM |
| 1 | This is what 6 year olds are learningSocrates is a poor example to cite, given that his powers of persuasion weren't sufficient to convince a jury of his innocence when charged with the crime of impiety. Nor were they sufficient to convince said jury not to impose the death sentence. | /r/TheRedPill | 11/09/13 01:39 PM |
| 3 | This is what 6 year olds are learningChildren are being taught to be manipulative sophists rather than persuaders here. I'm not contesting that. My point is that sophistry is a useful life-skill. That is the problem being demonstrated in the video. Actually this video is attempting to demonstrate that the Common Core State Standards are a tool for indoctrination. That case is itself dishonestly presented via a reliance on cherry-picked materials. CCSS, like most standards, is simply an abstract baseline. The only point in 1st grade… | /r/TheRedPill | 11/09/13 10:49 AM |
| -1 | This is what 6 year olds are learningLogical Fallacy: Straw-man Argument By exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone's argument, it's much easier to present your own position as being reasonable, but this kind of dishonesty serves to undermine honest rational debate. I never claimed "that a person who hasn't been taught how to reason, can detect manipulation". I asserted that learning to manipulate the emotions of others will help people detect such manipulations when they are the target. Perhaps you sh… | /r/TheRedPill | 11/09/13 09:20 AM |
| 1 | This is what 6 year olds are learningI'm specifically thinking of the recommended use of "our" to create a sense of commonality. | /r/TheRedPill | 11/09/13 01:30 AM |
| 3 | This is what 6 year olds are learningNo... It's teaching them to manipulate the emotions of others. The upside is that by learning these techniques they will be more likely to detect said techniques when employed against them. | /r/TheRedPill | 10/09/13 09:41 PM |
| 6 | This is what 6 year olds are learningRigid adherence to logic is a form of unilateral disarmament in arguments with human beings. Frankly, I wish i had been taught these sorts of techniques in 1st grade. | /r/TheRedPill | 10/09/13 09:38 PM |
| 0 | This is what 6 year olds are learningThe amazing thing here is not that there is indoctrination and manipulation going on in the book; it's that these books teach how to indoctrinate others and manipulate others! It's Game for kids! Sure there's a superficial "social" bent to it, but what we're shown is how to connect with others on an emotional level how to choose your words to build rapport Fuck! I wish someone had taught me that in 1st grade! | /r/TheRedPill | 10/09/13 09:35 PM |
| 8 | Can the concern trolls please give it a rest about the blue pill example posts?My problem with them is people failing to offer any analysis. It's not helpful to just say "that's so Blue Pill" about something you read. You should be able to articulate why it's Blue Pill, otherwise your just linking to a crappy article or re-posting from /r/relationships or something. Take a few minutes, do some analysis, don't just post a fucking link. | /r/TheRedPill | 10/09/13 11:47 AM |
| 2 | "A marriage-minded woman’s options: increasingly, her choice is between deadbeats (whose numbers are rising) and playboys (whose power is growing)". 10,000 words of unwitting TRP.especially those who are already enlightened. My point is more that they would only be visible to the "already enlightened". This piece is so thick with hamstering that the average person wouldn't get anything productive out of it. | /r/TheRedPill | 10/09/13 08:59 AM |
| 1 | "A marriage-minded woman’s options: increasingly, her choice is between deadbeats (whose numbers are rising) and playboys (whose power is growing)". 10,000 words of unwitting TRP.It would be more accurate to say that some people can manage it. And, FTR, I say more power to them. But I don't think it's something which the general population would find manageable. | /r/TheRedPill | 09/09/13 10:43 PM |
| 3 | "A marriage-minded woman’s options: increasingly, her choice is between deadbeats (whose numbers are rising) and playboys (whose power is growing)". 10,000 words of unwitting TRP.We can afford the luxury to share sexual partners between buddies if it makes everyone happier. That's a pretty big "if". We're only "safely" non-monogamous on a physiological level. The instinctive, psychological perils of jealousy and resentment still remain. Hence, why most men are adverse to committing to a promiscuous woman. | /r/TheRedPill | 09/09/13 10:31 PM |
| 18 | "A marriage-minded woman’s options: increasingly, her choice is between deadbeats (whose numbers are rising) and playboys (whose power is growing)". 10,000 words of unwitting TRP.The problem is that her anthropological quotes are cherry picked to cat alternatives to monogamous marriage in the best light possible. She willfully ignores the vast history of polygyny in numerous cultures, including hunter gatherer cultures. It's important to realize the monogamous marriage is unnatural, precisely because man's natural state was warfare over women. Monogamous marriage represented a social contract which reduced conflict over mating resources within a society. Like most aspect… | /r/TheRedPill | 09/09/13 07:58 PM |
| 45 | "A marriage-minded woman’s options: increasingly, her choice is between deadbeats (whose numbers are rising) and playboys (whose power is growing)". 10,000 words of unwitting TRP.She treats "marrying up" as a social convention rather than acknowledging it's a manifestation of instinctive hypergamy. Classic feminist, everything is learned nothing is innate, nonsense. | /r/TheRedPill | 09/09/13 04:08 PM |
| 28 | "A marriage-minded woman’s options: increasingly, her choice is between deadbeats (whose numbers are rising) and playboys (whose power is growing)". 10,000 words of unwitting TRP.There are Red Pill truths and implications sprinkled through out this piece, but for the most part it's utterly obnoxious. It's a trip down an intensely solipsistic rabbit hole. No where in this recitation of an upper middle class woman's globe trotting lifestyle is there a recognition of the real hardships faced by single women of the work class. The closest she gets to acknowledging those realities is when she talks about the plight of African American women. But even then she glosses over the… | /r/TheRedPill | 09/09/13 04:05 PM |
| 13 | Guiness got it a right. A beer ad where men aren't lustful, savage animalsSuddenly... I want a Guiness | /r/MensRights | 08/09/13 01:19 AM |
| 8 | Is promiscuity in men as damaging as it is to women in the ability to bond monogamously?That depends on what you mean by "bond monogamously". If you mean "Stay sexually monogamous in a relationship" then yes it's a problem for men too. In general promiscuous people remain promiscuous even when they attempt to forge relationships: Half of the men and women in the top (withinsex) quintiles of sociosexuality had been sexually unfaithful to a steady partner (source) If, on the other hand, you mean "maintain an ostensibly monogamous relationship" then I would expect promiscuity to be le… | /r/RedPillWomen | 07/09/13 01:44 AM |
| 15 | Am I supposed to be Super Woman?As man he would be expected to make his own way in he world. Why are you his breadwinner? | /r/RedPillWomen | 05/09/13 06:22 PM |
| 16 | Top feminist group is actually founded and led by a man; he handpicked the "prettiest" girls because he acknowledges sex sellsHe started femen to see if he could get self-professed feminists to take their shirts off in public. Dude is the political equivalent to the Girls Gone Wild guy. | /r/TheRedPill | 04/09/13 11:32 PM |
| 8 | Top feminist group is actually founded and led by a man; he handpicked the "prettiest" girls because he acknowledges sex sellsYeah, Putin doesn't really do "embarrassed". His expression more seems to say, "bath her and bring her to me." | /r/TheRedPill | 04/09/13 11:29 PM |
| 13 | ReverseShe doesn't seem like that kind of girl... Famous last words... What's her end game? Why assume she has one? | /r/askTRP | 03/09/13 08:49 PM |
| 14 | Seems that mens happiness pisses women off. Tell me something I don't know.That's why it's "the Joneses" and not just "keeping up with Mr. Jones". | /r/TheRedPill | 03/09/13 04:28 PM |
| 2 | I got into debate with a feminist who founded a feminist alliance at my university. Faced classic slut shaming and white knight anger; I've think I've learnt my lesson, but I need to let it out.are there absolutely no reasonable women out there now? Only 24% of American women identify as feminists, so tings aren't quite as bad as they may seem at the moment. | /r/TheRedPill | 03/09/13 11:39 AM |
| 1 | Is there any hope for the lady-bros?he's actually already one of my firm's clients (DUI, criminal domestic violence)... Options are limited at best You, my dear, have a gift for understatement. I'm sorry to hear that things are so bad in your area. Hopefully things will get better when I move for law school. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. | /r/RedPillWomen | 02/09/13 07:05 PM |
| 1 | Is there any hope for the lady-bros?Well, that's different then. Maintaining an LTR through most of your college years is an impressive feat. What's going on with you re:dating that you'd describe it as "pretty much a joke"? | /r/RedPillWomen | 02/09/13 06:25 PM |
| 2 | Is there any hope for the lady-bros?I worry that valuable men glance upon Vodka_samm and her group of despicable friends and say, "See? I can't make anything of this," and write women off as little more than means of sexual release. Most guys know "good girls" exist and prefer them for serious relationships. We also know promiscuous women exists, and we're willing to fuck them. T Vodka_samm and her friends have created a huge problem for those women who honestly aspire to be good partners/wives/mothers No, the problem is that aspi… | /r/RedPillWomen | 02/09/13 05:41 PM |
| 10 | Is there any hope for the lady-bros?Does anyone else think the rise of the lady-bro has destabilized the sexual marketplace Honestly, no. These girls have always been around in one form or another. It's just that now, thanks to birth control and modern medicine, their behavior doesn't have the most extreme negative consequences that it once did. It's technology which has destabilized the sexual market place not people. People are just reacting to the new realities created by modern technology. Why should a college guy settle down … | /r/RedPillWomen | 02/09/13 05:25 PM |
| 1 | Is there a place for political beliefs within TRP?These "privatized systems" are not in a free market. That's something of a No True Scottsman argument. A pure "free market" doesn't exist anywhere in reality. It's an abstract, theoretical construct from academic economics. The point stands that the private health care systems, like that here in the US, are objectively worse at providing health care than the public healthcare systems many on the right deride. trying to reel them into the discussion dilutes the TRP message. I agree, which is why … | /r/askTRP | 30/08/13 03:04 PM |
| 2 | Is Red Pill philosophy compatible with Religion?That depends entirely on what your religion is, and on how seriously you take it's strictures. That being said, TRP is explicitly about sexual strategy and gender dynamics. From the side bar of the main TRP subreddit: The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men. So if you've got religious hang-ups about sex you should expect most discussions here to make you uncomfortable. FTR: If you are genuinely concerned over the fact that "premar… | /r/askTRP | 30/08/13 02:50 PM |
| 6 | The Difference between TRP and RPWThat's nice to hear. | /r/RedPillWomen | 30/08/13 12:06 PM |
| 8 | The Difference between TRP and RPWLike I said, it's a debate with in the community. There are those who swear adopting some Red Pill habits will improve, or even save, a marriage. | /r/RedPillWomen | 29/08/13 10:43 PM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagLiberté, égalité, fraternité Liberty, equality, fraternity is the motto of the French Republic and dates to the revolution. Egalitarianism is part of the mix, but it doesn't even get top billing. You are over simplifying the nature of left-wing politics and in the process, ironically enough, you're giving too much credit to the left. Regardless of the rationale invoked by a particular movement, the underlying motive common to the left is a revolutionary impulse to challenge existing hierarchies.… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 10:36 PM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagWhat you are in effect trying to say is that they are egalitarian in their ideals but not in practice. No I'm saying they are bigoted in both their ideals and practices, though I will acknowledge they are egalitarian in some of their propaganda. Particularly the propaganda intended for mass consumption. You don't get to only count the organizations and movements you consider loyal as left-wing If you go back and re-read what I wrote you'll see that I explicitly acknowledge that feminists, and by… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 08:57 PM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagbeing a hypocrite does not make you not left-wing This is one reason why I said egalitarianism is part of left-wing ideology. I'm not saying feminists aren't on the left, I'm saying they aren't egalitarian. Ergo, egalitarianism isn't synonymous with left-wing ideology. In point of fact there are multiple ideologies which are considered left-wing; the "left" is a broad field of political thought which includes many disparate practices and philosophies. Most make egalitarian arguments and include … | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 07:30 PM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagIt's Blue Pill to think that you will find a woman who doesn't posses an impulse towards infanticide if she feels she is not capable of supporting a child. This is an instinct present in normal, healthy human beings. It's Blue Pill to think that you can require pregnant women to bring children to term against their will and have a happy ending. Because instinct will triumph over good intentions, and not all instincts in a woman are maternal. The issue isn't whether you like abortion or not, it's… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 07:11 PM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagThis man's position was described as: He told me that a mother that is willing to kill her own child because it isn’t convenient for her is not the type of person he wants to be with. not "a wife who might not defend her own child" The problem with that position is that it contravenes human history and human nature; as I explain here. Human children are extremely resource intensive to raise. As our race's history of infanticide shows, and as recent research on postpartum depression supports, it … | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 07:04 PM |
| 1 | So, my flat mate informed last night I need to get "educated" and shared this with me today...i am disappointed in what my gender has become. Your grandmother sounds awesome. That being said it's always worth noting that most women don't identify as feminists, in fact a 2009 poll by CBS news had only 24% of female respondents claiming to be feminists. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 06:56 PM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagYou can't subsume individual responsibility into a collective responsibility and fucking retain the individual responsibility Do you even read. Subsuming something means including it something larger, it does not require anything be lost. You are clearly confusing individual responsibility with sole responsibility. Those are not the same things. As an individual I am responsible for my well-being, but I am not solely responsible for my well-being. I have to feed myself, bathe myself, cloth mysel… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 05:52 PM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagIndividual accountability is not absent from left-wing ideology, it is merely subsumed in a collective accountability. How did this statement make it past your logic filters? Subsume: to consider or include (an idea, term, proposition, etc.) as part of a more comprehensive one. to bring (a case, instance, etc.) under a rule. to take up into a more inclusive classification. Most left-wing thought presents collective accountability as a "comprehensive" view of accountability which is "inclusive" o… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 04:41 PM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebaglol, I'm just being a good sport about having an argument on the internet. You might not have noticed, but some people take this stuff a bit too seriously at times. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 03:29 PM |
| 1 | The Difference between TRP and RPWYou're going to get no argument from me on that account :) | /r/RedPillWomen | 29/08/13 03:01 PM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagSo we've been arguing about two different people because I was equating the "some men" in your line: Have you considered that some men might not want a relationship (or a date) with a girl who had an abortion at 18 not because she had the abortion, but because she got pregnant at 18? With the ex of the orginal poster, rather than with /u/rebuildingMyself. Where as you were talking about /u/rebuildingMyself. Also complicating things was that when he (/u/rebuildingMyself) said "that kind of baggag… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 03:00 PM |
| 47 | The Difference between TRP and RPWThat, and there is an ongoing debate with in TRP if serious commitment (e.g. marriage and fatherhood) is worth while, feasible, or even safe for men in modern society. As far as I know RPW doesn't seem to be having a corresponding debate about sex, at least not with in the context of relationships. | /r/RedPillWomen | 29/08/13 02:43 PM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagIf that's the context then your earlier statement: quality guys tend to think a certain way is unsupportable. The criteria of "rich, successful, a great husband and father" applies to a vast number of men with highly diverse beliefs and opinions. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 02:35 PM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagHe told me that a mother that is willing to kill her own child because it isn’t convenient for her is not the type of person he wants to be with. That's the statement of motive we have from him, admittedly by second hand. I don't see any reason to invent imaginary rationales for him which contradict the only evidence we have to go on. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 02:31 PM |
| 0 | Is there a place for political beliefs within TRP?Fair enough, typically I've only seen the phrase "Human Biological Diversity" in the context of race, so that's what I thought you were on about. I usually address the gender differences you're talking about in the context of sexual dimorphism. | /r/askTRP | 29/08/13 02:28 PM |
| 2 | Is there a place for political beliefs within TRP?the honest and true right that you dont see on TV because of pandering to religious groups Lets not go all "No True Scotsman" here. The political right panders to religious groups because they are the largest, cohesive voting block on the political right. They are not just a legitimate part of the political right, they are a dominant faction in it. the right that happens behind closed doors, Good Old Boys Club style, with women and drink. You will find no shortage of left-wingers in strip clubs.… | /r/askTRP | 29/08/13 02:25 PM |
| -1 | Is there a place for political beliefs within TRP?The right-wing has it's own versions of political correctness; typically pertaining to the inherent worthlessness of the state and a blind worship of free markets. HBD isn't worth getting into here because The Red Pill is focused on issues of gender dynamics and sexual strategy, not race relations. | /r/askTRP | 29/08/13 02:19 PM |
| 16 | Is there a place for political beliefs within TRP?What I want to know is TRP an inherently right leaning set of ideals? No it's not. Or is political labeling just muddying the waters here? Yes it is At it's core The Red Pill is a philosophy of seeking to see the world the way it really is. Strict adherence to any political ideology conflicts with such realism. Feminism is one example of a political ideology which blinds people to reality; wrapping people in the "Matrix" style illusion of the modern feminist prerogative. It is in the process of … | /r/askTRP | 29/08/13 02:16 PM |
| 0 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagBeing rational is not necessary to being a quality guy If you won't concede that rationality is a prerequisite for being a man of quality then I don't see any point in continuing this conversation. Trying to reason with the unreasonable is, itself, unreasonable. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 01:28 PM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagSome guys don't like women who got pregnant and/or had an abortion in their teens, and that is a legitimate position. Not liking it isn't the issue. The issue is that asserting you can't be with a woman who would be willing to do away with her own child if she couldn't afford it ignores the reality of human instinct. It's like saying, "I would never marry a woman who is hypergamous". You don't get a choice about people's instincts; they are a product of evolution. You're telling people "don't da… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 01:01 PM |
| 0 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagYou're the one conflating "being red pill" with "being a quality guy." No, I'm conflating being rational with "being a quality guy." Upper class boys tend to be raised in comfortable, sheltered bubbles where the women are cultured and well-behaved, while poorer boys are more exposed to the harsh realities of life. I don't consider most "Upper class boys" to truly be men of quality. Not liking a girl for having had an abortion at 18 is perfectly reasonable. His issue wasn't that she had an aborti… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 12:50 PM |
| -1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagI wonder if anyone ever thought that he might be more religious than he lets on? I suspect he is. His position, after all, is at best pseudo-rational. a woman who has had an abortion is not an ideal candidate. Believing that an "ideal candidate" for marriage even exists is a Blue-Pillism. Ideal women don't exist. They all have instincts towards hypergamy, and they all have instincts towards infanticide. Having an abortion in her past is certainly a red-flag for a woman. Just having an unintended… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 12:39 PM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagHave you considered that some men might not want a relationship (or a date) with a girl ... because she got pregnant at 18? I don't think that's an unreasonable position, but that's not the position under debate in this thread. I'm invested in a pro-abortion stance because it has clear utility. The "pro-life" is a right-wing blue-pillism which idealizes women as nurturing mothers, rather than recognizing the evolved imperatives which drive them. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 12:30 PM |
| 0 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagThe Red Pill is fundamentally a philosophy of reason driven by evidence. There is nothing reasonable or evidence based in this rant of yours. You don't belong here. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 12:26 PM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagIt's because The Red Pill is not a left-wing or right-wing philosophy. The right-wing idealizes women as much as the left, it just does it in different ways. The Red Pill is inarguably anti-feminist, but you shouldn't confuse that with a general refutation of left-wing ideology. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 12:24 PM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagFeminism is a specific branch of egalitarianism and egalitarianism is the heart of what it means to be left-wing. Yes, egalitarianism is part of left-wing ideology, but modern feminism is emphatically not egalitarian. It makes claims of egalitarianism for public consumption, but the reality of the feminist ideology is female supremacist and anti-male. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 12:20 PM |
| 0 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagThere is no rational standard being applied here. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 12:13 PM |
| -2 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagThat's a starkly Blue Pill position. If you're only willing to be involved with a women who is some sort of pure nurturing force, then you're going to be disappointed. The ideal of the unconditionally loving mother is just another pedestal that some men put some women on. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 12:11 PM |
| -1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagI wouldn't seriously date someone long term with that kind of baggage either. Then you shouldn't date women at all. As I explain here, the baggage around abortion (or infanticide if you prefer) is evolutionary baggage. Just like hypergamy, it's there in all women to one degree or another. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 12:08 PM |
| 2 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagIf a woman can kill a child, think about the damage they can do to a grown man without remorse. The problem with the "pro-life" position is that it's fundamentally a Blue Pill position. As I explain here, the impulse towards infanticide is present is all human societies and is likely an evolutionary adaptation to the expense of raising a human child. Complaining about abortion is like complaining about hypergamy. What you think about the issue doesn't matter, because you can't change humanity's … | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 12:06 PM |
| 3 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagThis is complete nonsense. You obviously have no understanding of what constitutes "left-wing thought". In general the position of the left is to insist that we are accountable for one an other's well being. Individual accountability is not absent from left-wing idelogy, it is merely subsumed in a collective accountability. And don't confuse The Red Pill's clear refutation of feminism, with a generalized rejection of left-wing politics. This is a forum about sexual strategy, not political ideolo… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 11:59 AM |
| 2 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagWomen worship her because society worships her. Society worships her because she was pretty. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 11:50 AM |
| -1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagThis thread is an ideological right-wing circle jerk, don't expect these boys to be realistic. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 11:49 AM |
| 0 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagquality guys tend to think a certain way Quality men have standards to which they hold themselves and others. However, if those standards aren't reasonable then they aren't workable, and the man in question isn't quite as high quality as he might like to think. As I explain here, this guy's position isn't actually reasonable. In fact it's arguably a Blue Pill position. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 11:47 AM |
| 1 | Leftoid logic: Man who doesn't see a future with a woman who got an abortion is a jerk and douchebagI think I need to clear something up for you. The Red Pill is not a right-wing philosophy anymore than it is a left-wing philosophy. The Red Pill is about reality, not ideology. It is informed by the lived experience of it's proponents, by reason, and by research. The position taken by the man referenced in the post you linked to is not a Red Pill position. He told me that a mother that is willing to kill her own child because it isn’t convenient for her is not the type of person he wants to be … | /r/TheRedPill | 29/08/13 11:41 AM |
| 9 | How would you ladies handle this?I really don't want to have another relationship talk at this point Too bad, because that's clearly what you need to do instead of playing games to "see how he reacts". You got to be a big girl about this and talk it through with him. Tell him you are attracted to him, that you have feelings for him, and that you want to spend more time with him. Then tell him that you need an exclusive relationship because you are as afraid of being used as he is of being hurt. Tell him that you understand that… | /r/RedPillWomen | 29/08/13 10:29 AM |
| 2 | So, my flat mate informed last night I need to get "educated" and shared this with me today...yeah, it's really not worth getting worked up about. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/08/13 08:47 PM |
| 9 | So, my flat mate informed last night I need to get "educated" and shared this with me today...I'm not worried, I'm amused. I haven't even been lurking there much lately, and I haven't commented there in weeks (maybe months). I'm amused that they've clearly banned me for something I wrote in another subreddit. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/08/13 05:27 PM |
| 7 | So, my flat mate informed last night I need to get "educated" and shared this with me today...It was replaced in the 1960s with second wave feminism, which declared all men rapists and oppressors. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/08/13 05:22 PM |
| 18 | So, my flat mate informed last night I need to get "educated" and shared this with me today...Lol, I think this just got me banned from /r/AskWomen | /r/TheRedPill | 28/08/13 05:02 PM |
| 88 | So, my flat mate informed last night I need to get "educated" and shared this with me today...The assertion in this FAQ that privilege is something wholly conferred by social status rather than by any individual accomplishment is a perfect example of the fundamental bigotry of feminism. Men are never treated as individuals by feminism, rather they treated as a see less whole, a borgified collective. Power and status weilded by one man is cast as being weilded by all men, and crimes committed by one man are cast as being committed by all. This tendency to see people not as individuals but… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/08/13 03:24 PM |
| 18 | Well, if you needed any more proof that women don't feel a sense of honor the way men do... From r/askhamsters: "What's the most 'shameful' thing you've done that you're not ashamed of?"That was a poorly worded comment, and a lot of people called her out on it. She states lower in the thread that she will be debt free because she finally landed a job and is now able to pay them off, not because she thinks she doesn't have to pay them back. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/08/13 01:28 PM |
| 3 | Not sure if I'm thinking straightIf you let it happen once there is a good chance of it happening again. The real question is, are you ok with that? It's not like this is another guy she's fucking, and nothing you've said so far indicates that it's hurting your relationship or sex life. The only question is are you comfortable with this? It seems like you're asking us if you should be comfortable with this, but that's up to you. Some people here are going to tell what you should do, but all that will really be is what they woul… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/08/13 07:36 PM |
| 11 | Girl lets two male friends plow her, can't bear the shame of "being taken advantage of" and no longer wants to be their friend.You can't control other people's emotions, but you can influence the fuck out them. In fact, that's the essence of game. The real lesson here is that after you do something sexually extreme with a girl you should take a moment to reassure her, so she feels like it was a special and positive experience. Anti-slut defenses don't just kick in before a woman has sex, sometimes they kick in afterwards. A smart man will circumvent that, so he doesn't end up being accused of "using" a friend "like a sl… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/08/13 06:03 PM |
| 19 | Girl lets two male friends plow her, can't bear the shame of "being taken advantage of" and no longer wants to be their friend.It's called being a fucking adult. You might want to look into it; after all, real masculinity requires maturity. Just remember it's a small step from feeling like you were used, to thinking that you were raped. After-care is important in a situation like this because it inoculates you against potential legal fallout. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/08/13 05:54 PM |
| 18 | Girl lets two male friends plow her, can't bear the shame of "being taken advantage of" and no longer wants to be their friend.From the sound of it she regrets it because they acted like nothing was changed afterwards, which was what she thought she wanted. Odds are that if the guys in question had taken the time to reassure her and show her a little extra affection afterwards, she'd feel positive about the whole experience. She feels used because the guys are acting like it was no big deal, and they are likely acting that way because it's what she said she wanted. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/08/13 05:44 PM |
| 15 | Girl lets two male friends plow her, can't bear the shame of "being taken advantage of" and no longer wants to be their friend.This is why "after care" is so important in the wake of a major sexual experience with a girl. She'll need reassurance that she hasn't lost your respect so she doesn't feel "used" and "like a slut". Buyer's remorse can be avoided with a few well chosen words and a little extra physical affection. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/08/13 05:12 PM |
| 4 | "The pussification of the western male," by Phazzleit makes me want to go out and pound my fists against a stone wall until they are hard and calloused. Better idea: go to gym find heaviest weights you can lift lift them repeat as needed until you feel like a man Do it right, and your hands will get calloused, your body will get stronger, and your will cease to doubt your masclinity. | /r/TheRedPill | 25/08/13 05:07 PM |
| 2 | What are some good "pet names" to call a girl over text?That's half the fun of using it. | /r/seduction | 20/08/13 04:45 PM |
| 2 | Divorce Rates: Just 1 Reason Why Women Should Have Never Been Allowed to VoteMen retained their higher status after suffrage, because women still needed men to provide for their children. The introduction of birth control mitigated that problem, by reducing the likelihood that a woman would have a child. This also enabled second-wave feminism which launched a direct assault on the status of men and the institution of marriage starting in the 60s. That's why you see the major up-swings in the divorce rates and the decline of marriage rates starting in the early 70s. The i… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/08/13 08:39 PM |
| 2 | Divorce Rates: Just 1 Reason Why Women Should Have Never Been Allowed to VoteI think this is a case of seeing what you want to see. Your language is very biased. You keep describing the increase in divorce rates after suffrage as "spikes", when in fact they are minor compared to the real spikes further down the time line. In particular both the U.S. and U.K. charts you link to show real spikes in the immediate post WWII years, with the U.S. showing a corresponding spike in the marriage rate. I'd assume those spikes are related to the War and post war baby boom. The U.K. … | /r/TheRedPill | 19/08/13 08:33 PM |
| 1 | Why are so many men dropping out of society?True, but pay lip service to a group while ignoring their real needs isn't "demonizing" them. The fact that politicians feel the need to pay that lip service to small business is proof that the business owner, as typically conceived, isn't being demonized in by our culture at large. Like I said, the real problem is that the terms "business owner" and "job creator" have been co-opted by wealthy financiers who trade stock in big businesses. Those terms are being discredited by that association wit… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/08/13 01:58 PM |
| 1 | Why are so many men dropping out of society?Yes, but who creates it isn't relevant. It's who will control it that matters. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/08/13 01:13 PM |
| 2 | Why are so many men dropping out of society?True, because if you portray any other group in a negative light you will be accused of some form of bigotry. Portraying white males negatively is politically safe, but that's only because men allow it to be. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/08/13 01:12 PM |
| 4 | Why are so many men dropping out of society?Because the world can not support that many ballerinas. Actually the current problem is the exact opposite. Historically the primary economic value of men was in their physical strength, which made them necessary for manual labor. As mechanization and automation replaced muscle power with machine power, men became less economically important. This devaluation of muscle power is what has removed incentives for men to participate in society, and why these phenomena are primarily associated with th… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/08/13 04:22 PM |
| 5 | Why are so many men dropping out of society?I think it goes deeper than just the legal issues. A big part of the problem is that our culture's elites no longer have any respect for the common man. That lack of respect, and even outright contempt, manifests itself in our political policies and popular culture. As a result ordinary guys are left with the perception that they don't matter to our societies any more. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/08/13 03:45 PM |
| 5 | Why are so many men dropping out of society?I still see "small business" and "entrepreneurship" glorified in political rhetoric from both sides of the aisle. The problem is the the concepts of "business owner" and "job creator" have been co-opted by the people we used to just call "investors", i.e. Wall St. financiers. It is the Wall St. and big business elite who are becoming demonized, because they've demonstrated that they impose a higher cost on society than any benefits they generate for society. Unfortunately, their efforts to portr… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/08/13 03:42 PM |
| 2 | Why are so many men dropping out of society?Also, western culture is inherently against straight-white males..from academia to the media, its all anti white male Actually, I don't think this is the case. What's happened is that elites and elite institutions in the west (academia, the media, major political parties, etc.) have become hostile to the common man. It just so happens that the common man is straight and white in western cultures. I'm a straight-white male, and in my everyday life I get treated with a good amount of deference and… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/08/13 02:48 PM |
| 10 | Why are so many men dropping out of society?Nope, there will be no economic collapse due to worker non-participation. Automation will compensate for that, in fact automation, rather than cultural forces, will drive it. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/08/13 02:41 PM |
| 2 | Seeking advice about girlfriend into femdom?I don't see how being submissive for her occasionally would turn her off enough that she'd be looking for a new man, especially one who would be dominant towards her sexually. Well she's with you despite (because of?) your attempts at domination in the bedroom. What people think they want, and what they actually respond to, can be very different things. I can understand how not giving her what she wants keeps us on equal footing You keep describing your relationship with this girl in terms of a … | /r/askTRP | 16/08/13 02:28 PM |
| 2 | The Three AlphasI've seen this with some MGTOW guys. It's unfortunate when some people wear their social awkwardness like a badge of honor instead of developing their social skills. It's a cop-out and a dangerous one at that. In a world with 7 billion people, social skills are vital life skills. | /r/RedPillWomen | 16/08/13 01:42 PM |
| 2 | Seeking advice about girlfriend into femdom?I indulge my girlfriend's kink = she perceives me as beta and starts cheating on me with someone who fucks her in a dominant way regardless? This, though I would use the term submissive, rather than beta. | /r/askTRP | 16/08/13 01:36 PM |
| 2 | Seeking advice about girlfriend into femdom?If I offered to 'switch' for her benefit do you think she would be more likely to do the same for me? No, but it might kill your relationship. At the very least i would expect her to start cheating on you afterwards. | /r/askTRP | 16/08/13 03:34 AM |
| 3 | Do you think feminists are not women who are proud of being women, but rather women who are ashamed of being women?No, but they are ashamed of being feminine. Feminism equates masculinity with power, and then argues for the empowerment of women. As a result they ape masculinity, and despise femininity. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/08/13 06:32 PM |
| 11 | Blue pill friend, thinks this is a sub for guys who degrade women.all he thinks he is seeing is men who cheat on their SO, guys who rape women, and degrade the female gender. This is how many people have been conditioned by the feminist movement to react to anyone who questions the feminist agenda. Odds are your friend would need some sort of traumatic experience to break his conditioning; like finding out his wife had been cheating on him, or that he isn't really the father of one of "his" kids. | /r/TheRedPill | 13/08/13 02:40 PM |
| 4 | Study show people have more sympathy for dogs than for menThe article claims this study shows a lack of sympathy for "human adults, who are considered capable of taking care of themselves," but the kicker is that the "human adult" is a man in his thirties. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/13 07:32 PM |
| 2 | This is the best explanation for the Mens Rights Movement that I have ever seen. /u/NeuroticIntrovert attended the Warren Farrell lecture that was protested and decides to lay out why feminism is not the answer to mens issues and why the MRM is needed.The classical view included the caveat that men were entitled to respect from, and possessed authority over, those for whom they provided. Classical masculinity expected and encouraged men to be dominant. The concept of masculinity you're invoking, which is all obligation and no privilege, is a modern aberration. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 11:37 PM |
| 4 | How do you guys feel about the recent influx of women to the manosphere?Personally I don't mind, so long as they (you) respect the fact that the man-o-sphere is a male dominated space. That means accepting that discussions here are mostly by and for men. Feel free to come by looking for insight, but don't come trawling for attention. Edit FTR: Girl Writes What and Typhon Blue have contributed a lot to my personal understanding of how feminism has negatively impacted society. They've both made good contributions to the man-o-sphere in my book. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/08/13 08:32 PM |
| 1 | This is the best explanation for the Mens Rights Movement that I have ever seen. /u/NeuroticIntrovert attended the Warren Farrell lecture that was protested and decides to lay out why feminism is not the answer to mens issues and why the MRM is needed.ALL of them want the freedom to do these things, and think that Men's Rights should fight for this freedom, where is the conflict? Wanting freedom for yourself and those agree with you doesn't guarantee that you will want freedom for those who disagree with you. My concern is that MRAs who describe themselves as "rejecting gender" will promote the anti-masculine elements of feminist ideology. Feminists have already proven that it's a short step from "men don't have to be manly" to "men shouldn't… | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 05:58 PM |
| 1 | This is the best explanation for the Mens Rights Movement that I have ever seen. /u/NeuroticIntrovert attended the Warren Farrell lecture that was protested and decides to lay out why feminism is not the answer to mens issues and why the MRM is needed.I can see how if you this is something you believe in strongly that the MRM wouldn't be the group to join with wholeheartedly. The real problem is that with some MRAs "rejecting gender", the MRM isn't a group for a masculine man to join at all. They are just allies of convenience. | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 05:19 PM |
| 1 | This is the best explanation for the Mens Rights Movement that I have ever seen. /u/NeuroticIntrovert attended the Warren Farrell lecture that was protested and decides to lay out why feminism is not the answer to mens issues and why the MRM is needed....I'm not sure how it wouldn't fall under Men's Rights. The question is, what does the MRM stand for? How do MRAs describe themselves and what issues do they tackle? When MRAs attack feminism or defends men, I'm on their side. But that's a combination of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' and a mutually beneficial alliance. Attacking feminism and defending men isn't the same as defending masculinity. Championing masculinty and a sense of brotherhood among men is what I believe in, but it's no… | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 05:09 PM |
| 1 | This is the best explanation for the Mens Rights Movement that I have ever seen. /u/NeuroticIntrovert attended the Warren Farrell lecture that was protested and decides to lay out why feminism is not the answer to mens issues and why the MRM is needed.But shouldn't Men's Rights include the right to be masculine, if that is your inclination? I was under the impression that it did, I respectfully disagree. Much of the MRM seems to emulate feminism's critique of conventional gender roles, rather than treating them as part of a broader spectrum of human behaviour. Hence /u/NeuroticIntrovert describing MRAs as: Men who reject gender, but feel powerless, and oppressed - men who have had struggles in their lives because of their gender role | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 04:39 PM |
| 5 | This is the best explanation for the Mens Rights Movement that I have ever seen. /u/NeuroticIntrovert attended the Warren Farrell lecture that was protested and decides to lay out why feminism is not the answer to mens issues and why the MRM is needed.Men do have places to speak in mainstream society - so long as they continue to perform masculinity. I disagree with this very strongly. Classical normative masculinity (a.k.a. Hegemonic Masculinty) may still be publicly acceptable in some sectors of society, but in environments where feminisim has become dominant it is actively shamed. Feminism attacks masculinity as evil, depicting men as innately violent and aggressive. As a result boys and young men raised in environments influenced by femin… | /r/MensRights | 07/08/13 02:39 PM |
| 2 | Wedleases instead of Wedlock, are we winning anything back with this idea?There maybe something to this... This is the critical argument: “Why is there no effort to improve the legal structure of marriage, when it shows itself to be deficient?” It seems to me that the more "marriage" is made an explicit legal contract between individuals, and not a social institution, the more leverage there is in removing it from the purview of family courts which are biased against men. | /r/TheRedPill | 06/08/13 02:26 PM |
| 2 | Here is a TEDTalk that has an over arching theme. Let an alpha be alpha and he will become motivated."once money is off the table we can work on other motivation" This doesn't mean that people have a profit motive, it means they need some money to live and some money as a marker of status. Once people have that level of money, once their survival and social status are assured, once they are paid enough that "money is off the table", they lose the motivation to work for anything other than their own desires and interests. Sucking the left wing dick for the first half of the presentation was obno… | /r/TheRedPill | 05/08/13 06:34 PM |
| 1 | Can the lack of alpha qualities in most men today be attributed to the loss of common rites of passage that men had to go through?Actually, the average man is getting smarter as time goes on. He is weaker and less physically adept than in years past, but that is a consequence of modern sedentary life styles, not welfare and medicine. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/07/13 11:15 AM |
| 44 | Survey: 75% of women lied about how much money they spend, over 60% cheated on their husbandsBarash interviewed 500 women nationwide who answered her Craigslist ads seeking females to confide what they fib about. Not a scientific survey, not representative of the general population. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/07/13 06:45 PM |
| 5 | What adds value to a man other than monetary value?Personal confidence and physical fitness/appearance are more important than money, hobbies, or knowledge. Remember value is subjective, it is a matter of perception. Confidence, fitness, and grooming all play into people's instincts causing them to ascribe value to you on a mostly sub-conscious level. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/07/13 02:08 PM |
| 1 | Can the lack of alpha qualities in most men today be attributed to the loss of common rites of passage that men had to go through?Not really. I've been through a number of rites of passage myself via my college fraternity and later my initiation into the Free Masons. While I think the loss of such rites in society at large is a negative, by themselves such rites are not enough to combat the influence of our feminized culture. That culture, with it's portrayals of average men as weak, stupid, and fumbling (think Homer Simpson) and it's demonization of masculine virtues is the real problem. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/07/13 02:02 PM |
| 1 | What is the deal with "leftism"?Bluntness is always welcome. I'd rather converse with an honest man than a politically correct one. Classical liberals believe the government exists in order to prevent violence between men (to allow men their natural state of freedom). The problem with the Classical Liberal / Libertarian position is that the idea that freedom is man's "natural state" is itself a fallacy. As this article on manhood in hunter gatherer societies explores; man's "natural state" is not freedom, but war.The freedom f… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/07/13 01:48 PM |
| 3 | What is the deal with "leftism"?In terms of the broader sweep of western political thought you're correct. What is called the left in the US today is really just a coalition of interest groups defined by identity politics. They are on the "left" because they usually agree on using the federal government to advance their various agendas. As opposed to the right; who are a coalition of interest groups (defined by identity politics) which prefer to use state governments to advance their various agendas. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/07/13 09:38 PM |
| 2 | What is the deal with "leftism"?Affirmative action for example. It is based on an assumption that there is no biological differences in aptitude between different groups, which you have echoed. No. Affirmative action is based on the assumption that certain groups (women & minorities) operate under unfair biases in our society. Affirmative action is intended to be a corrective to those biases and this to ensure that people are judged by their merits. That is the intent, whether or not such policies perform as intended is anothe… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/07/13 09:32 PM |
| 8 | What is the deal with "leftism"?The word liberal comes from the same root as the word liberty, and denotes someone who espouses freedom. What we today call libertarianism is what would have qualified as "Classical" Liberalism is years past. Modern "liberals" are vehemently opposed to economic freedom and thus should not be called liberal... someone who thinks that governments should confiscate wealth from the economically productive members of society to support the unproductive. No, this is the right-wing caricature of modern… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/07/13 09:28 PM |
| 5 | What is the deal with "leftism"?A) Yes, the Cold War lingers B) The political left in the US became closely associated with feminism, civil rights, and political correctness during the 1960s. This alienated many men, whites, and free thinkers. Personally I lean strongly to the left on economic issues, but I can't stand the political left in the US because their identity politics offer me nothing. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/07/13 08:56 PM |
| 2 | This guy has 18 kids with 17 women. Genetically this is pretty alpha. He doesn't seem to give much of a fuck as well. Also, bonus hamster video further down.This is a man pursuing his biological imperative without regards to social consequences, and I say more power to him. The social pathology of modern society has removed most (if not all) incentives for men to behave responsibly. The only reason I'm not actively trying to breed my own personal horde is because I make a good living and don't want to pay child support. If I was an unemployable ex-con like this guy I'd be having tons of unprotected sex and trying to father as many kids as possible. | /r/TheRedPill | 25/07/13 04:42 PM |
| 3 | This guy has 18 kids with 17 women. Genetically this is pretty alpha. He doesn't seem to give much of a fuck as well. Also, bonus hamster video further down.I'd recommend reading this to get some back ground. I don't agree with 100% of the author's claims, but he makes a good case. | /r/TheRedPill | 25/07/13 04:18 PM |
| 2 | This guy has 18 kids with 17 women. Genetically this is pretty alpha. He doesn't seem to give much of a fuck as well. Also, bonus hamster video further down.When they started pushing for it in France it was "to protect the harmony within families" or some such. | /r/TheRedPill | 25/07/13 04:10 PM |
| 124 | The Slut, and how not to be one.have value beyond just sex. This really cannot be stressed enough. Every time I here a woman say "men are only interested in one thing" i always want to ask her, "is there anything else interesting about you?" | /r/RedPillWomen | 25/07/13 03:33 PM |
| 11 | The Slut, and how not to be one.In my experience, women (and men) sleep around because they feel it is a rite of passage in their youth, the whole college/party/hookup thing, and they are actively NOT looking for anything committed. This is less common than you might think. The latest surveys indicate that the average woman in her early twenties today has had only about 4 sexual partners. You also have to remember that the hookup culture doesn't advantage average guys, because hyper-gamy drives the behavior of women in it. Wom… | /r/RedPillWomen | 25/07/13 03:10 PM |
| 26 | The Slut, and how not to be one.i believed that the way you GOT a relationship was to sleep with men until one stuck I suspect that a lot of women are operating under these conditions. An unintended side effect of the attacks on "traditional gender roles" over the past 50 years has been the undermining of attraction strategies that didn't just rely on sex appeal. As the idea that a women shouldn't strive to be "a good wife" or "a good mother" took hold the only standard left was "a good fuck". | /r/RedPillWomen | 25/07/13 02:52 PM |
| 4 | A Good Woman, A Good ManAn ideology is meant to describe the way the world works, it must, there for, start with observation of the world. Reality is harsh, and confronting a harsh reality when you don't expect it, is often traumatic. Traumatic events often provoke, and should provoke, a change in the way people see the world, because it is new and significant information. Thought and reason are then brought in to explain such unexpected, and traumatic, experiences. Because that explanation must describe something abou… | /r/RedPillWomen | 24/07/13 08:58 PM |
| 3 | A Good Woman, A Good ManIn what way? | /r/RedPillWomen | 24/07/13 08:45 PM |
| 2 | Does the wall affect white and nonwhite women differently?Then again the same goes for Asian girls... They peak and decline like black women, later in life than whites. One of the biggest factors in ageing (as a matter of appearance) is the sun's impact on your skin. Asian and black skin are both more sun resistant than white skin. Yeah, yeah, it sounds kind of aspy when it's put that bluntly, but I really believe it's that simple. People routinely guess my age at about five years younger than I really am, because my skin is good. And that's because I'… | /r/TheRedPill | 24/07/13 05:30 PM |
| 11 | A Good Woman, A Good ManTRP has nearly twelve thousand subscribers. With a population that large you are going to see a wide range of views and opinions, you should expect contradiction more than consistency. The reality of "Red Pill" thought (theory, philosophy, ideology, whatever) is that it is still under development and under debate. There is broad agreement that something is wrong with society; that relations between men and women have become severely dysfunctional. However, there are clear disagreements over how … | /r/RedPillWomen | 24/07/13 02:49 PM |
| 6 | Video of 30 year old wife throwing a temper tantrum when her husband refuses to take her to the lakeI'm so glad that she's not representative of any of the women in my family. My 6 year old niece has more grace and decorum than that. | /r/RedPillWomen | 23/07/13 02:44 AM |
| 9 | Video of 30 year old wife throwing a temper tantrum when her husband refuses to take her to the lakeThe real problem is that she was allowed to act like this as an adult. | /r/RedPillWomen | 23/07/13 02:39 AM |
| 1 | Blachman: A brilliant Danish tv programme, built on the premise that "the female body is thirsting for man's words"link? | /r/TheRedPill | 22/07/13 07:36 PM |
| 1 | I'm a redpill woman that just got married, but my husband wants to give his ex-wife his sperm. Am I being selfish for thinking this is weird?It's not nearly as weird as being unwilling to have your own biological offspring. Your husband is, from a purely biological stand point, being offered a golden opportunity that he would be a fool to pass up. You are being extremely selfish to deny him this, especially since you aren't providing him with an opportunity to reproduce yourself. I don't know how you can describe yourself as a "redpill woman". Your desire to deny your husband to opportunity to reproduce is the most primal affront to … | /r/RedPillWomen | 20/07/13 04:20 AM |
| -1 | "It’s not my fault I’m pretty"If, at the end of the day, I just want to take the bus home while reading my book or without having to talk to a drunk guy, then that's what I'm entitled to. Assuming the drunk guy doesn't get angry that you're ignoring him and kick your ass. Do you want to pontificate about ideals or do you want to get by in the real world? Because in the real world you aren't entitled to anything. I, technically, have the right to insult you to your face, but no one would be surprised if my rudeness provoked y… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/07/13 07:32 PM |
| 9 | "It’s not my fault I’m pretty"On and on, over and over, he screamed at me, screamed at his dead mother, screamed at me again. So one crazy guy indicates a problem with all men. Well that's not even slightly sexist. /s If I tell you to leave me alone, you get mad at me. Because I somehow, as a woman, owe you conversation. No, you as a human being owe me civilized behaviour. When someone strikes up a conversation with you it's just polite to converse back. Add to that the common sense rule of thumb that you should be polite to… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/07/13 06:29 PM |
| 3 | Opinion: End 'Mad Men' era for working womenWhy am I reading this drivel? What does posting it here contribute to our conversations? If you want to call out MSM nonsense then include some analysis and sources debunking their claims. Linking to it without refutation just helps spread bad information. | /r/TheRedPill | 19/07/13 02:44 PM |
| 1 | Why promiscuity devalues women and not men. Analysis of the double standard.This isn't an analysis, it's a rant. It may be a well mannered rant, but it's still a rant. If you're going to take the time to type something like this up then you should also take the time to find and link to sources which back up your positions. You rattled off your opinions and produced some interesting analogies to explain those opinions, but you haven't backed your opinions up with any verifiable facts. This is well written, which proves that you've got a good brain in your head. That mean… | /r/TheRedPill | 19/07/13 02:36 PM |
| 1 | Ironwood Speaks: Welcome To The Puerarchy. This Is What The Hell Is Wrong With You.Keep in mind, I was talking about subjective beliefs, not objectively wrong beliefs. I completely agree that you shouldn't believe in a "pretty lie" which is objectively wrong just because it makes you feel good to do so. Maintaining a belief in that which is provably false is dangerous, as it often leads to mistakes which can harm your long term well being. this idea that I would rather see the truth than tell myself pretty lies is central to what I think it is to be a man. This is a great exam… | /r/TheRedPill | 18/07/13 02:05 PM |
| 1 | Ironwood Speaks: Welcome To The Puerarchy. This Is What The Hell Is Wrong With You.that can not be answered without embracing some form of bullshit or another Well, they can't be answered objectively, but that doesn't make efforts to answer them "bullshit". These questions, like most "spiritual" questions, are about the search for "meaning". That makes any answer to them subjective. However, subjective phenomena can be useful. If a subjective definition of manhood, motivates an individual to produce objectively positive results in his life, would you still consider that defini… | /r/TheRedPill | 18/07/13 12:19 PM |
| 6 | Societies that turn matriarchal are on the decline.the notion that western culture isn't in decline is just mindbogglingly dimwitted. The notion that western culture is in decline is simply irrational hysterics. It's the kind of short-sighted, backward looking doom-saying which has a feature of our cultural discourse for over a hundred years. It's a product of a tendency to romanticize the past, and cherry-pick facts about the present, while bemoaning a changing world. Western culture is in a state of upheaval as it struggles to adjust to it's o… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/07/13 08:08 PM |
| 1 | Women's suffrage is the worst thing to happen to Western civilization: Allowing women voting privilege. We were warnedWell it's only a problem when those men enact policies with negative consequences. Democratic systems tend to automatically correct for that in the next election cycle. Policy failures tend to demotivate a politician's supporters and motivate his opponents, leading to electoral defeats. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/07/13 07:39 PM |
| 2 | Women's suffrage is the worst thing to happen to Western civilization: Allowing women voting privilege. We were warnedBoth children and women Most humans are easily manipulated into believing whatever the most powerful man in the room tells them. There are countless examples of this. FTFY People are instinctively inclined to submit to and trust in dominant men. Authoritarian political systems are built around harnessing that impulse, and democratic systems are vulnerable to confident charismatic men because of it. However, this only becomes a problem when those men make costly (for society) mistakes or abuse th… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/07/13 07:18 PM |
| 4 | Societies that turn matriarchal are on the decline.But it feels to me like we're constantly on the edge of one BIG Big-Brother-Surveilance-Apparatus. That's because you are frequently hearing about all of the monitoring that's been going on in secret. However, the fact that surveillance was being conducted secretly is the give away here. Governments have been hiding what they are doing, precisely because they are afraid of public backlash. In 1984, by contrast, the public was constantly reminded, "Big Brother is watching". The point of a police … | /r/TheRedPill | 17/07/13 07:03 PM |
| 11 | Societies that turn matriarchal are on the decline.A demographic decline isn't the same as a cultural decline. Population statistics alone do not tell the whole story of a culture. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/07/13 06:58 PM |
| 1 | Ironwood Speaks: Welcome To The Puerarchy. This Is What The Hell Is Wrong With You.Spiritual Of, relating to, or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things. When we talk about "the human spirit" we are making inferences or assertions about the common qualities, or best qualities, of human behaviour and psychology. When we talk about the soul, we are addressing issues of identity, the sense of self. Spiritual doesn't mean emotional or illogical. Spiritual questions can illicit strong emotions, and are often intuitive exercises in pattern recogn… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/07/13 06:51 PM |
| 4 | Is dating an older woman, beta?Not inherently, no. Being beta is about being submissive and accommodating. It's about thinking you've got the earn the girl, rather than the girl having to earn you. If these 26-28 year old women have proven themselves to you, then grant them the benefits of your affections. If you are pursuing older women, because you think you can't do any better and they are what you're willing to settle for, then you need to do some more work on yourself. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/07/13 06:09 PM |
| 1 | Why do women have no honor?Define "honor" in this context. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/07/13 05:41 PM |
| 0 | Societies that turn matriarchal are on the decline.That's based entirely on Glubb's "Fate of Empires" which, as Glubb himself admits, a highly speculative work. From the paper in question: The present writer is exploring the facts, not trying to prove anything. The dates given are largely arbitrary. (my emphasis) Empires do not usually begin or end on a certain date. There is normally a gradual period of expansion and then a period of decline. The resemblance in the duration of these great powers may be queried. Human affairs are subject to many… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/07/13 05:28 PM |
| 13 | Societies that turn matriarchal are on the decline.We're slowing down on scientific advanced Not true; technological progress is accelerating neglecting space exploration Not true; we just realized that space could be explored most effectively using telescopes rather than space ships. In fact we just found a new moon orbiting Neptune going into a 1984esque Police-State Not true; the explosion of new information technologies has allowed both governments and corporations to monitor society to higher degree possible than ever before. Police States,… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/07/13 04:44 PM |
| 1 | Ann Althouse shuts down blog comments after heated discussion of Forced FatherhoodFor this interested OP is probably referring to this since Forced Fatherhood was mentioned. FTR: OP needs to learn how to internet | /r/TheRedPill | 16/07/13 04:26 PM |
| 1 | Ann Althouse shuts down blog comments after heated discussion of Forced FatherhoodHow hard is it to include a link? | /r/TheRedPill | 16/07/13 04:14 PM |
| 2 | Why do you think women need to take the Red Pill?If we are talking about modern society complete with modern advances then it is the nuclear family. Modern families didn't produce modern society and it's advances, rather they were a product of modern advances. Lower morality rates, industrialization, less violent societies, and economic growth all made it possible for smaller family groups (and even individuals) to thrive, where as in ages past larger groups were necessary for stability and security. | /r/RedPillWomen | 15/07/13 12:39 AM |
| 12 | Why do you think women need to take the Red Pill?So they can be happy. We first began track women's happiness in the 1970s, and it's been dropping since we started tracking it. Personally I believe this is because a Red Pill life style was gratifying to most women, but was demonized by feminism and actively discouraged by social engineering. Women today have unfair expectations placed on them. People seem to expect them to be crazed over-achievers, who manage both their careers and families without breaking a sweat. And instead of being able t… | /r/RedPillWomen | 15/07/13 12:35 AM |
| 7 | Why do you think women need to take the Red Pill?Actually extended families were the building blocks of most societies. What's more, modern Nordic societies, which have proven very stable and which have high rates of personal well-being than most countries, also have high rates of out-of-wedlock births. | /r/RedPillWomen | 15/07/13 12:26 AM |
| 1 | Cops vs robbers: opposite ways of expressing confidenceAlso because being principled and protective, primary "cop" traits, leads you to be taken advantage of in life generally (not just romance). We live in a world where nice guys finish last, heroes get themselves killed, and the bad guy usually wins. The only rational option for ambitious men is to be the bad guy. | /r/RedPillWomen | 13/07/13 09:51 PM |
| 21 | Married mother of two sleeps with dozens of police officers, somehow she is the victim.Multiple violations of policy does not make a tragedy. Nor does it "indicate a moral bankruptcy... within the ranks...". What does indicate moral bankruptcy is that you can have a scandal centred on the voluntary behaviour of one woman, but have that woman herself held blameless. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/07/13 05:52 PM |
| 41 | Married mother of two sleeps with dozens of police officers, somehow she is the victim."nearly a dozen" not "dozens" “Our hearts ache for Mrs. Sue Eberle and her family, the citizens of Lakeland, and all the families and children who have been affected by this tragedy,” Lakeland Mayor Gow Fields wrote in a statement. It disgusts me that her behaviour some how warrants an expression of sympathy from the mayor of the town. How about a little sympathy for her husband and children, whom she viciously betrayed for her own gratification. How about a little sympathy for the officers that… | /r/TheRedPill | 12/07/13 04:42 PM |
| 1 | The 3 biggest whores I know all parrot the same line when confronted: Can't be a coincidence... possibly nsfwInstinct. People in general are social animals and sensitive to the opinions of others. This tendency is generally stronger in women than in men due to their evolutionary history, i.e. the need for external supports during pregnancy and child rearing. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/07/13 02:55 PM |
| 2 | The 3 biggest whores I know all parrot the same line when confronted: Can't be a coincidence... possibly nsfwThat's because it's an oft' abused term with little agreement on a common definition. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/07/13 02:49 PM |
| 2 | Saw a thread on r/theredpill, and it got me thinking about certain alpha males that are not appropriate to date. Can you give your opinion on this?The guys hated it, saying that women are deluded and hamstering. We've got some really bitter guys over at TRP (I say that as a Red-Piller myself). You shouldn't take what those particular guys say personally. This is actually a great example of some of them getting something completely backwards because of their biases. Many of the women in that thread, particularly the comment which was linked to, were demonstrating self-awareness not "delusion" or "hamstering" (rationalizations). You should t… | /r/RedPillWomen | 11/07/13 05:42 PM |
| 4 | Pissed off, frustrated, angry, depressed.... after realising i have been lied to my whole life. Your anger is understandable. However, you shouldn't lose sight of the fact knowing you've been lied to gives you the power to improve your situation. I dont know who i am anymore or what to stand for. Ive lost all meaning to everything. This is because no one gets to tell you who you are or what you should stand, not anymore. You get decide those things for yourself now, which means it's now your responsibility to decide those things. Meani… | /r/TheRedPill | 11/07/13 03:17 PM |
| 1 | Do you still like women?Once you truly accept that your expectations for someone were unreasonable you stop resenting them for not living up to your expectations. They can still be frustrating to deal with, but you no longer blame them for doing what's in their nature. | /r/TheRedPill | 09/07/13 06:59 PM |
| 34 | I have seen the face of evil.... and then I helped her clear out her garage.This was a mature non-confrontational way to handle it FTFY Helping to enforce standards of good behaviour by refusing to reinforce bad behaviour is a function of mature individuals in healthy societies. Refusing to do so because you don't want to "come off" as "behaving badly" is simply moral cowardice. If he wanted to help that guy clean out his garage, he should have just dumped the ex-wife's crap by the side of the road. | /r/MensRights | 08/07/13 05:19 PM |
| 8 | The Red Pill and other cultures/times in historyWomen are innately stubborn, flighty, slutty, dumb, and shallow. Women are also innately accommodating, serious, prudish, smart, and deep. Women, like most people, have a capacity for a wide range of behaviours, and will engage in such behaviours in response to their environments. Modern western society has created an environment that at best tolerates, and at worst encourages, a number of negative behaviours in women (stubbornness, pettiness, entitlement, promiscuity, disloyalty, etc.). Other s… | /r/TheRedPill | 08/07/13 01:59 PM |
| 2 | What is a Beta MaleI don't think it's "hidden" at all. I was pretty blatantly indoctrinated (via school and pop-culture) with the idea that women are easily offended and frightened and that it's the job of a man to placate them and make them feel safe. A willingness to submit to dominance is nigh universal in the human condition; as is a willingness to dominate. People subconsciously decide which behaviour to engage in based on their own perceived status. The "huge swathes of post feminist males" who exhibit submi… | /r/RedPillWomen | 08/07/13 01:28 PM |
| 1 | What is a Beta Male"Beta male" is an ill defined term. The typical examples offered of "Beta males" are collections of behaviours / personality traits which are heritable to varying degrees. My point was simply that research indicates that parental rearing has less impact on how people turn out than other factors. | /r/RedPillWomen | 08/07/13 01:14 PM |
| 1 | What is a Beta MaleNot just the PUAs, MGTOWs and MRAs also recognize that modern marriage is a bad deal for a man. Personnally I'd have no problem with marriage and fatherhood, if it weren't for alimony and child support payments should the marriage fail. With 50% of marriages ending in divorce and 75% of divorces filed by the wife, the risk/reward ratio for matrimony is intensely bad for men. The level of trust that a confident and aware man needs to marry a woman today is so high that it makes marriage untenable… | /r/RedPillWomen | 07/07/13 05:50 PM |
| 1 | What is a Beta MaleThe "single-moms lead to beta males" thing is erroneous. The last research I heard about (no sources/links, I'm on a mobile device) seemed to indicate that most behavioral traits were 40-60% genetic predisposition. The rest is from socialization via peer groups, not parents. | /r/RedPillWomen | 07/07/13 05:42 PM |
| 7 | After a small epiphany, I realize that even men hamster, which perpetuates that beta blue pill behaviorYou are reading way too much into his post. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/07/13 05:20 PM |
| 11 | How women Stifle/Censor Intellectual discourseGeneral knowledge doesn't require citations, but the assertion that women degrade intellectual discourse isn't common knowledge. OP is advancing a contested position in a public forum. If you are going to do that then you need to back it up with evidence, otherwise reasonable people are entitled to dismiss you out of hand. This isn't physics, but it also isn't religion. The prime difference between a red piller and a blue piller, is a willingness to confront unpleasant realities. Step one, then,… | /r/TheRedPill | 02/07/13 12:52 AM |
| 4 | How women Stifle/Censor Intellectual discourseSpontaneous verbal conversation cannot be expected to use sources, but this is an Internet forum. Our "conversation" here is asynchronous and includes access to the capacity to search a vast body of knowledge. It's not that hard to spend 5-10 minutes googling for evidence to back up you claims. | /r/TheRedPill | 01/07/13 02:36 PM |
| 13 | How women Stifle/Censor Intellectual discourseIf you have access to Reddit, then you have access to Google. If you have the time to type an eight paragraph long post, then you likely have a extra 5-10 minutes to do Google searches to find evidence supporting or refuting your conjectures. If you want to criticize women for lacking intellectual rigor, then you need to demonstrate some yourself. Offering your opinions without anything to back them up other than personal experience doesn't show itellectual rigor, it's just a display of personal… | /r/TheRedPill | 01/07/13 02:30 PM |
| 1 | A movement?Actually one of the biggest problems with this place is the reliance on "experience" rather than verifiable evidence. Personal experience is a notoriously unreliable basis for understanding reality. Personal experience is often unrepresentative of general experience and is always interpreted through a filter of pre-existing biases. If TRP is about information, then we should make an effort to ensure that information is accurate. | /r/TheRedPill | 01/07/13 01:06 AM |
| 85 | How women Stifle/Censor Intellectual discourseSolid intellectual discourse includes a healthy respect for evidence. You need to back some of this up with citations from studies supporting your premises. One of the reasons why America has become far less intellectual in the past 60 years is because non-intellectuals have confused stating an opinion with making a well reasoned and well sourced argument. | /r/TheRedPill | 01/07/13 12:59 AM |
| 3 | Female colleagues have a list of male colleagues rated. rape comments included. HR won't do anything. Time to quit?Time to sue | /r/MensRights | 29/06/13 11:51 PM |
| 1 | Did the sexual revolution screw over the average man?How can this theory be developed further? Well, you could start be trying to find actual evidence to back it up. | /r/TheRedPill | 23/06/13 01:29 AM |
| 7 | The Hamster is the scientifically demonstrated default of human experience. (For guys too, most likely)Men are infinitely more rational and stoic. This sort of hyperbole is exactly what I'm talking about. I have worked in mixed environments and I've seen men be irrational, childish and irresponsible, and I've seen women be irrational, childish and irresponsible. It's often expressed differently, but it boils down to the same thing. | /r/TheRedPill | 21/06/13 10:30 PM |
| 6 | The Hamster is the scientifically demonstrated default of human experience. (For guys too, most likely)It does irk me when I see commenters insist that men are rational where as women are not. All humans are fundamentally irrational. The real difference seems to be that men are less likely to appeal to emotional justifications when rationalizing our behaviour. | /r/TheRedPill | 21/06/13 09:05 PM |
| 3 | Sexuality in a red pill LTRHow would you recommend someone master conversation? Basics: Ask about their interests and hobbies Let them do most of the talking Be attentive Maintain eye contact Smile when they say something positive to them frown sympathetically if they talk about something negative to them nod agreeably when they make a point More advanced: If you can't follow what they're saying, ask them to explain it in layman's terms or in a little more detail. This proves that you're paying attention and doing your be… | /r/RedPillWomen | 19/06/13 04:55 PM |
| 4 | Sexuality in a red pill LTRActually you kind of missed my point, but in a subtle way. I'm not arguing that a woman delay sex in order to raise it's value. I'm arguing that she should delay it in an effort to prove to the man she's after that she has value as a companion beyond sex. It's not a matter of her denying him what he wants until he's willing to pay more for it in terms of commitment. It's about providing him with the companionship he wants, before she provides the sex he wants. This ensures that he provides the c… | /r/RedPillWomen | 19/06/13 04:35 PM |
| 10 | Sexuality in a red pill LTRbut you don't want him to get bored... Then find ways to keep him interested without sex. Yes, sex is very important, but men also want genuine companionship. If that wasn't the case then we'd all be satisfied with sluts. If you can't find a way to be a companion to man rather than just a good fuck, if he can't enjoy your company without the prospect of immediately getting inside you, then you don't have LTR potential with him. Don't expect him to accept that you are worth waiting for. Prove to … | /r/RedPillWomen | 19/06/13 02:29 AM |
| 3 | What's the point if women are going to hit the wall anyway?Obviously physical attraction is important, but I don't think it's the only factor in a man's love for a woman. However this is NOT a red pill idea. Proponents of the red pill assert the reality that physical attraction is important as part of refuting the blue pill fantasy that your partner should love you as you are for who you are. They also do it to point out that assertions made by feminists and the politically correct about what someone should find attractive are often misleading. However,… | /r/RedPillWomen | 18/06/13 05:35 PM |
| 2 | Can some one explain why I feel to terrible after understanding the true nature of women and how to interact with women. When confronted with the duality of people, not only women, I feel some sort of questioning resentment. Help me decipher.I'm interested in knowing what you feel is a soft cap of sex partners for a woman before being considered promiscuous, In my own thinking I had been applying a soft cap of 6, because of studies from the 90s showing that the average number of life time sexual partners for women being 3 and that only 30% of women had 6 or more sexual partners by their early 20s. In light of that article I linked to, which puts the modern average at 4, with the average for cheaters at 8, I'm thinking of using that … | /r/TheRedPill | 17/06/13 06:00 PM |
| 2 | Can some one explain why I feel to terrible after understanding the true nature of women and how to interact with women. When confronted with the duality of people, not only women, I feel some sort of questioning resentment. Help me decipher.I never said promiscuity and infidelity were the same thing, I said the were correlated: Promiscuity is highly correlated with infidelity as both indicate a preference for sexual variety. FTR: the definition of promiscuity I'm operating on is "Has lots of sex partners." The problem isn't a woman liking sex. Most women like sex, however most women aren't promiscuous, and most women don't cheat. The problem is that a history of promiscuity indicates a preference for sexual variety over exclusive l… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/06/13 01:51 PM |
| 26 | Feminists seem mad that women are naturally submissiveThis should be marked as a Rant, not as Theory. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/06/13 07:36 AM |
| 3 | Can some one explain why I feel to terrible after understanding the true nature of women and how to interact with women. When confronted with the duality of people, not only women, I feel some sort of questioning resentment. Help me decipher.why would a woman not also fear marrying a man who has had many partners for risk of being cheated on? Many women do fear being cheated on, but for women there are some mitigating factors. First, a man who is known to be promiscuous often registers as an "Alpha male" to other women on an instinctive level. This is due to our primate ancestors being tournament breeders; a situation in which males competed for dominance because one dominant male mated with all of the females in a given social grou… | /r/TheRedPill | 15/06/13 09:17 PM |
| 6 | Can some one explain why I feel to terrible after understanding the true nature of women and how to interact with women. When confronted with the duality of people, not only women, I feel some sort of questioning resentment. Help me decipher.who cares? Most people care. Guys care because they don't want to be cheated on, and women care because they don't like the competition. I don't feel people's past sexualities should have any bearing on them. Past behavior is a predictor of future behavior. If a man had a history of infidelity, would you expect his partner to be indifferent to that? Promiscuity is highly correlated with infidelity as both indicate a preference for sexual variety. Men and women both prefer fidelity from their par… | /r/TheRedPill | 14/06/13 11:21 PM |
| 11 | [Effort] Your girlfriend lied to you about her dance class after you voiced concerns? Good! I hope she f*cks someone there!No to mention the fact that she's been lying to him for months. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/06/13 07:51 PM |
| 8 | Can some one explain why I feel to terrible after understanding the true nature of women and how to interact with women. When confronted with the duality of people, not only women, I feel some sort of questioning resentment. Help me decipher.When I see a woman, I want to believe the best in her, even a man, I want to believe that they are unique in their own way and have some sort of intrinsic value beyond just a perceived value. But then I understand the underlying biological motives and unconscious reactions that people have and it completely disheartens me. What you're experiencing is a conflict between your remaining idealistic social conditioning and your budding awareness of the truth. You problem is that on some level you sti… | /r/TheRedPill | 14/06/13 03:13 PM |
| 3 | Women Have Become Too Easy - great askmen.com article!!! - check out the comments (full of hamsters)Contraception was the key change. "Culture and legislation" are both reactive forces, they simply adapted to the new reality created by widely available contraceptive technology. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/06/13 02:18 PM |
| 6 | Women Have Become Too Easy - great askmen.com article!!! - check out the comments (full of hamsters)A woman should give the man the test of time and make him wait at least three months before having full intercourse with him. Nope! This is just another social conservative trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Sorry boys, it's not gonna happen. Learn some game, pump and dump, embrace the new reality. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/06/13 02:16 PM |
| 3 | Ed Snowden: Alpha male.And that was without a trial. I'm not saying the Govt won't try to fuck Snowden. I'm just saying they wouldn't be able to get a Treason charge to stick. | /r/TheRedPill | 11/06/13 09:39 PM |
| 2 | Ed Snowden: Alpha male.The legal standard for treason is so high that it is nearly impossible to get a conviction on it as a charge. He definitely violated a non-disclosure agreement though, and may be prosecutable under lesser charges. | /r/TheRedPill | 11/06/13 09:03 PM |
| 5 | What is hamstering?It's a heavily abused metaphor. It originates with the image of a hamster in one of those running wheels; racing frantically on instinct, but not really getting anywhere. It refers to the way people act on instinct and then rationalize or justify their behavior after the fact. Add to that a frantic desperation to defend one's ego, and departure from any real semblance of logic, and you've got hamstering. Hamstering is not about blaming men, that's just a common tactic. Its about a woman trying t… | /r/TheRedPill | 11/06/13 03:24 PM |
| 5 | Top 10 differences between Alpha vs. AssholeA) OP is very, very wrong B) OP account was created today and has no other posts or comments. Conclusion: OP is trolling | /r/TheRedPill | 10/06/13 12:47 PM |
| 6 | Top 10 differences between Alpha vs. AssholeThese lists, and the invocation of an Alpha vs. Asshole dichotomy, read like naive Blue Pill propaganda. I half suspect this a feminist troll. | /r/TheRedPill | 10/06/13 12:44 PM |
| 2 | Top 10 differences between Alpha vs. AssholeYou're "Alpha" is, except for #1 and #3, a Blue Pill stereotype. You're "Asshole" is, except for #1 and #3, a real Alpha. | /r/TheRedPill | 10/06/13 12:35 PM |
| 27 | 6 women use sticks and knives to force man to have sex with all of them. He dies in the process. "Some call it rape."Note the tone of amusement in the narrator's voice, and the depiction of these crimes as "Revenge" thus implying that they are justified. | /r/MensRights | 05/06/13 10:48 PM |
| 6 | TRP advice for physically unimposing men (beta disposition)Adopting a new set of behaviors always feels unnatural at first. At 5'5" you're taller than most men throughout history. Your real problem is your mind set. If you "feel like a child trying to emulate a man" then that's your problem right there. What does being a man mean to you and why do you feel you fall short of that definition? | /r/TheRedPill | 31/05/13 06:20 PM |
| 40 | No more lurking. I'm married, too.I don't think TRP is inherently anti-marriage. The anti-marriage stance is more related to the anti-male biases of divorce law. | /r/TheRedPill | 31/05/13 05:56 PM |
| 5 | Is female-dominant sex inherently un-redpill?My take on TRP is that it's much more about the relationship than it is about the sex. If you are dominant elsewhere in the relationship then there should be little danger in occasionally lowering your guard in the bedroom. | /r/TheRedPill | 31/05/13 05:52 PM |
| 0 | Am I missing something about this anti-friendzone talk?Do they not even consider the male perspective at all? No they don't. A far as most feminists seem to be concerned "the male perspective" completely lacks all legitimacy. Even bringing it up is probably evidence of "patriarchy" and "rape culture" or something like that. | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 05:37 PM |
| 30 | "He's pretty much the perfect boyfriend! I just don't ...find him attractive."The modern Nice Guy is in fact a decayed form of the classic Gentleman. Gentlemen were desirable to women in their time, because in their time men were considered inherently superior to women and expected/taught to be dominant. The gentility of the Gentleman was a form of nobles-oblige. It was a display of kindness from a social superior. In an environment of equality (modern society / the gay scence) it simply comes across as unappealing subservience and desperation. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/05/13 03:58 PM |
| 1 | Is the current sexual and intergender negative climate a symptom of the decline of the Western World?Interesting read. Thanks. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/05/13 03:35 PM |
| 2 | Alpha Game: Nihilists vs Civilizationistso.0 yeah... I'll be sticking with free-range, all-natural, organic vag myself. | /r/askTRP | 29/05/13 02:17 AM |
| 2 | Alpha Game: Nihilists vs CivilizationistsDon't get me wrong, I don't loath our fully automated future. I gleefully anticipate a future in which we are all freed from needless toil and can devote our energies to our own pursuits. I just know that getting there will entail a significant amount of pain and suffering as society struggles to adapt to a world without work. Total automation (or near enough) will happen because individual economic actors will have incentives to implement it. I'm a software engineer and a big part of my job is … | /r/askTRP | 28/05/13 10:21 PM |
| 6 | Alpha Game: Nihilists vs CivilizationistsBoth nihilists and civilizationists are necessary to the process of first destroying, and then replacing, FI society. This is grandiose and self-deceptive rhetoric. The reality is that our society is on a trajectory which neither MGTOWs nor traditionalists can affect. In a couple of other threads I've made the point that the modern sexual market place is a product of technology. I keep making that point because it is technologies which will also determine the future shape of our society. First w… | /r/askTRP | 28/05/13 08:06 PM |
| 2 | The Keynesian Sexual Marketplace - "First off, I would like to point out that the common definitions of 'Alpha' and 'Beta' are wrong. This is put forth by the game community to mask the fact that most who consider themselves 'Alpha' are actually Omegas."Massive appeals to false history. Socially dominant men typically had large harems in most societies throughout history. The author is trying to equate western romantic ideals with human nature and normative historical behaviour. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/05/13 06:37 PM |
| 1 | The Keynesian Sexual Marketplace - "First off, I would like to point out that the common definitions of 'Alpha' and 'Beta' are wrong. This is put forth by the game community to mask the fact that most who consider themselves 'Alpha' are actually Omegas."The author: completely misunderstands and misrepresents Keynesian Economics confuses the idealized and artificially enforced pair-bonding scheme of traditional western society with human nature ignores the real history of polygamy practised by Alpha males throughout history ignores the reality that a class of Omega 'deviants' would be lead by Alphas in the plundering and raping of neighbouring tribes, absent civilized restraints. This is the worst sort of "analysis"; the mistaking of one's own b… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/05/13 06:35 PM |
| 1 | The Politics of the Red PillLiberals despise those who rise above the pack and don't believe that anyone else is entitled to the fruits of their labor, This is a right-wing caricature of Liberalism, and is no more accurate than Liberals painting all Conservatives as racist, religious fundamentalists. The reality of the Liberal position was best expressed by the Obama quote, "You didn't build that". The Liberals holds that individuals succeed because of the support of society, so successful individuals owe society for it's … | /r/TheRedPill | 28/05/13 01:52 AM |
| 1 | The Politics of the Red PillIt's the TheoCons who use moral issues. NeoCons use security issues. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/05/13 01:43 AM |
| 2 | The Politics of the Red PillTRP blows the concept of equality clear out of the water. Both equality between men and women, and equality among men (e.g. the Alpha/Beta divide). Left-wing political thought holds equality as a foundational value. Because TRP forces you to acknowledge social hierarchies it is superficially compatible with right-wing political perspectives. Conservative politics was originally driven by the idea that society should maintain it's existing hierarchies for the sake of social stability. Having lost… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/05/13 01:41 AM |
| 8 | The Politics of the Red PillThat's not an accurate assessment of either Conservatism or Liberalism. Consequentialism can be argued from any position on the political spectrum and indeed often is. There are members of both the Liberal and Conservative camps who claim to know and want what's best for society. There are also members of both camps who will claim that an action is right because of it's own merits, regardless of the consequences. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/05/13 01:17 AM |
| 4 | Her Pants Were on Fire AfterallThis wasn't a product of hypergamy. She didn't cheat on him because the new guy was more alpha than he was. She cheated on him because she wasn't getting enough attention (long distance relationship). That's more akin to branch swinging. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/05/13 11:22 PM |
| 0 | Her Pants Were on Fire AfterallFrom the glossary: Blue Pill – From The Matrix and its sequels. The path of conformity with Society’s expectations; the state of being unaware of the problems engendered by society. In what way was this an example of Blue Pill behavior or thought? Yes, it's an example of a woman behaving badly, but the Blue Pill is about conformity and accepting the illusions society throws at us to encourage conformity. How does that apply in this case? | /r/TheRedPill | 26/05/13 11:20 PM |
| 1 | Why is /r/redpill hated more than /r/seduction and other PUA communities?He changed his tune after I called him out on it. However, you're right, I shouldn't have let that post and a couple of it's comment threads color my perception of the sub. I went back to the thread and found that my research based take down of his assertions was now the highest rated comment on the post, and that it was more highly rated than the original post itself. There was no ax to grind beyond a concern for good information, coupled with an unfortunate lack of patience on my part. I let a… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/05/13 10:59 PM |
| 3 | Why is /r/redpill hated more than /r/seduction and other PUA communities?here and here | /r/TheRedPill | 26/05/13 06:26 AM |
| 2 | Woman has abortion -- says it was miscarriage to husband -- is somehow the victim: "But then I feel angry because he didn't care when I was the one in pain"I can hardly believe the entitlement and lack of remorse from this woman. Somehow SHE is the victim. Wait, what? This post is pathetically disingenuous. How is this woman a victim? Here some of the quotes you left out: So now come to a few months later where he keeps forgetting to put the condom on, or he put it on wrong, and I fell pregnant. I was so upset when I found out. I am not ready to be a mother yet! But he was so excited. Why did I go off birth control? Because when he gets an idea in … | /r/TheRedPill | 26/05/13 12:00 AM |
| 6 | Why is /r/redpill hated more than /r/seduction and other PUA communities?Where there is scientific study, we post it. The last time I used a study to refute someone's assumptions here I was told he wasn't looking for "scientific recognition". Others then leaped to his defense by asserting that no survey based research was valid because people would just lie on the surveys. My experiences on this sub indicate that while there are many here who respect science, there seem to be just as many, if not more, who don't. | /r/TheRedPill | 25/05/13 11:08 PM |
| 2 | Hypergamy in action--she is asking for adviceSome women probably are, but not most. It's hard to say for certain what current conditions are, since most of the research data I can find dates back to the early 90s. At that time the median number of life time (not concurrent) sexual partners for sexually active young women is approximately 3. Though, the number of 21 year old women who had 6 or more lifetime partners was over 30%. The impression you may get from some on this sub-reddit, that most women are out slutting it up with alpha males… | /r/TheRedPill | 25/05/13 02:26 PM |
| 2 | Is the current sexual and intergender negative climate a symptom of the decline of the Western World?Could you provide some sources on this? I never heard about the Greeks and Romans having these problems. | /r/TheRedPill | 25/05/13 02:14 AM |
| 2 | Is the current sexual and intergender negative climate a symptom of the decline of the Western World?There is a pretty big gap, both in terms of time and ideology, between first-wave feminism (the suffragettes and their ilk) and second-wave feminism (which began the "destruction of social intergender stability", as you put it). The reason why second wave feminism didn't take off until the 60s was birth control. The introduction of oral contraceptives did fundamentally change women's nature, as they could now have sex without worrying about getting pregnant. Human pair bonding evolved for the sa… | /r/TheRedPill | 25/05/13 02:12 AM |
| 4 | Hypergamy in action--she is asking for adviceThis isn't hypergamy. Hypergamy would be demonstrated if she was considering leaving 'Chad' for 'John', because John was now making more money than Chad. Or because Chad had gotten fat, while John had hit the gym and gotten buff. This post actually illustrates three things. Branch swinging Hamsterism Polyandry The branch swinging is pretty obvious. She's reaching for the John branch before she's let go of the Chad branch. The hamsterism is pretty obvious too, as she tries to justify her actions … | /r/TheRedPill | 25/05/13 01:33 AM |
| 120 | You're sitting on your college cafeteria alone and you notice a small group of girls sitting on a table. You don't know them and they don't know you. How you would make an approach to one of them?You don't approach one of them. You open the entire set. | /r/seduction | 24/05/13 06:36 PM |
| 1 | A defense of NAWALT using bell curvesIt would seem self evident that Game would select for women who are the most responsive to the social dominance tactics used in Game; ergo the women with the most pronounced impulses towards hypergamy. | /r/TheRedPill | 23/05/13 05:33 PM |
| 3 | Supersonic hamstering from 2X. Woman 100% blames Hubby for failed marriage when he is caught hiring a prostitute.as here | /r/TheRedPill | 23/05/13 03:54 PM |
| 23 | Supersonic hamstering from 2X. Woman 100% blames Hubby for failed marriage when he is caught hiring a prostitute.To come from a kinky lifestyle to a very repetitious, boring, monotonous sex life was very trying on me. He wanted more sex than I wanted to give. Take a moment to revel in the cognitive dissonance between those two sentences. Also, this needs to be updated to use an np link. | /r/TheRedPill | 23/05/13 03:02 PM |
| 3 | So what are girls supposed to do?And left to his own devices a man would pursue a masculine imperative: see Silvio Berlusconi. The concept of a social contract includes the explicit recognition that you aren't left to your own devices. Women were told by feminists and pop-culture that if they empowered themselves men would respect them more and find them desirable. They were told that they could 'have it all'; a sexually promiscuous youth, a great career, and a family. Just like Nice Guys were told that if they treat a woman wi… | /r/TheRedPill | 23/05/13 02:29 PM |
| 1 | So what are girls supposed to do?(carousel, wall, cats) That's a great progression. | /r/TheRedPill | 23/05/13 01:37 PM |
| 2 | So what are girls supposed to do?We don't hate sluts; we love the hell out of them. Though it's a sentiment I agree with, it's not the impression I've gotten hanging around here. | /r/TheRedPill | 23/05/13 01:36 PM |
| 1 | Deconstructing sluts or why the "promiscuous women simply like sex" mantra is bullshit.True correlation is not causation. My point, that we should be relying on evidence and not assumptions, still stands. Blind adherence to dogma is something we should leave to feminists and white knights. | /r/TheRedPill | 23/05/13 11:20 AM |
| 9 | The True Nature Of WomenWomen's nature hasn't changed. The issue is that now feminism insists that society enable (and even celebrate) some of the worst aspects of that nature, rather than reigning it in or channeling it towards something positive. Feminism also distorts any discussion of what female nature is, and what would make women happy, by insisting that women must be equal with men in all aspects of society. | /r/askTRP | 22/05/13 09:53 PM |
| 12 | The True Nature Of Women"We" are a small subset of men. Most human beings, regardless of gender, never try to transcend their limitations. Most don't even know what those limitations are. Most people are happy to coast through life "unless by some sort of force" they are compelled to reckon with the realities they'd rather deny. It just so happens that reality is less forgiving of men than it is of women, so more men have woken up at this point than women. Most women have never heard of hypergamy. Most women don't unde… | /r/askTRP | 22/05/13 06:22 PM |
| 11 | The True Nature Of WomenThe conditions have changed, but nobody was told. Worse, once the conditions were changed, we were all fed an unsustainable fiction (Blue Pillisms) about the nature of that change. Society is starting to wake up to that fact, but far too slowly. I understand the frustration, in fact I share it. It's just one of those "light a candle vs. curse the darkness" things to me. People seem to waste a lot of time and effort on hating women for just being what they are instead of learning to manage them. … | /r/askTRP | 22/05/13 06:06 PM |
| 10 | The True Nature Of WomenAgreed ... if certain conditions arise (my emphasis) and she is placed in a certain container at a certain temperature, will thrust her worst upon you, and this, I’m afraid, is the true nature of women. Human behaviour is, by and large, conditional. People react to their environments, and getting pissy about it accomplishes nothing. This is what frustrates me with a lot of the commentary here on TRP. So many folks here seem to just hate on women, without realizing that women are a product of the… | /r/askTRP | 22/05/13 05:41 PM |
| 21 | Deconstructing sluts or why the "promiscuous women simply like sex" mantra is bullshit.Crippled self esteem and the need for validation The studies I found refuted that claim by indicating that a women who felt empowered and beautiful were more likely to cheat or be promiscuous. Those findings instead support the view that women are only as loyal as their options. As for: The need for novelty The lack of control over primal urges The inability to commit These were indirectly supported by the studies in so far as they indicate traits typically associated with promiscuous males. Acc… | /r/TheRedPill | 22/05/13 04:39 PM |
| 11 | Deconstructing sluts or why the "promiscuous women simply like sex" mantra is bullshit.Logic is often no more than a way to err with confidence. The quality of survey data can be called into question, but at least it's data and not assumption. | /r/TheRedPill | 22/05/13 04:26 PM |
| 68 | Deconstructing sluts or why the "promiscuous women simply like sex" mantra is bullshit.Red pill wouldn't be worth shit if it didn't reflect life Which is why posts like this, long on assumptions, short on citations, are a problem. Female promiscuity has been subject to actual research, so there is no need to operate on assumptions. It's not your life which should be reflected here, it's reality. The real causes of female promiscuity/infidelity revealed in peer reviewed studies: Empowerment elevated power is positively associated with infidelity because power increases confidence i… | /r/TheRedPill | 22/05/13 02:57 PM |
| 1 | Question was asked "What women want in a man?" This reply stood outsource? link? | /r/TheRedPill | 21/05/13 12:28 PM |
| 4 | How would you describe your political views?People base their beliefs on what they think is true and then seek out the evidence to support their beliefs while ignoring or rejecting evidence which doesn't support their beliefs. This is a flaw in human cognition which we all fall prey to. It takes conscious effort to seek out and be willing to consider evidence which conflicts with your biases. Most people, on most issues, don't make that effort. Think of all the stuff spouted by blue-pillers that is flat out dis-proven by empirical researc… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/05/13 11:26 AM |
| 0 | How would you describe your political views?rent control thing working out for the left Not very well, the last time I checked. That's why I don't support it. However supporting policies of state intervention when they are proven to be more effective than blind market mechanisms (health care, lending standards, pollution controls, etc.) makes you a leftist by the standards of American politics. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/05/13 11:17 AM |
| 6 | How would you describe your political views?I'm an Empiricist. I support the policies backed by the strongest evidence. This tends to put me on the left-wing on most economic issues, and makes me largely indifferent on social issues, except when people are being transparently full of shit. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/05/13 02:08 AM |
| 4 | Televangelist Pat Robertson's approach to infidelity might be considered Red PillNo, it's Traditional Conservative (TradCon). The problem with Robertson and other TradCons is that they don't want to admit that the sexual revolution happened and there is no going back. TradCon: a wife should be grateful she has a good provider as a husband even if he cheats RedPiller: modern women are ungrateful, and divorce law is anti-male, so don't get married | /r/TheRedPill | 17/05/13 07:28 PM |
| 8 | Is TheRedPill™ JUST about sexual dynamics?Blue Pill: Work hard and play by the rules and you'll get ahead Red Pill: cultivate value via training & certification Demonstrate value via good work & self promoting behaviour be willing to walk away from negotiations and the job itself Take the initiative and ask for more Lesson: rewards come to those who insist on them. Edit: Always remember that people will be willing to take advantage of you if you let them. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/05/13 04:26 PM |
| 6 | Is TheRedPill™ JUST about sexual dynamics?Agreed. I've got a 6 figure income now because I've applied a red pill perspective to my career and used techniques I got from studying Game in job interviews and salary negotiations. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/05/13 03:58 PM |
| 2 | How should I handle this?Why are you even asking this question? The answer is obvious: don't marry her. Even in Beta-world calling off a wedding because you've fallen out of love with you drug abusing fiancée is completely legit. Just dump her and get on with your life. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/05/13 03:55 PM |
| 3 | Hypergamy in actionBut they also get the short end of the stick in a lot of ways. Which ways? | /r/TheRedPill | 17/05/13 02:44 PM |
| 17 | Hypergamy in actionEntitlement is the point you're missing. The issue is that when people can't find a mate they want, it's often because they are setting their sights too high. Both genders display this trait in the modern world because the mass media feeds us idealized depictions of romance and mates that the real world can't compete with. However, it manifests in women more severely because of a combination of hypergamy and the "you can have it all" message of modern feminism. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/05/13 02:27 PM |
| 1 | Hey guys. How would you feel if a girl lied to you about taking birth control and got pregnant? : AskMen (xpost)enraged | /r/MensRights | 15/05/13 01:02 PM |
| 12 | "You're cocky. You've changed. You're trying too hard."When drug addicts go into recovery they are told to avoid their old friends from their previous lifestyle, because their old friends will try and drag them back into it. Anyone who engages in a concerted effort towards self improvement, and thus self transformation, will find that some of his old friends (and even family) reject the new persona he is adopting. They were his friends because they liked the old persona and it is understandable that they would object to it's removal from their lives… | /r/TheRedPill | 14/05/13 12:18 PM |
| 1 | Looks matterSo how long have you had these feelings for him? Have you ever felt this way about famous criminals before? | /r/TheRedPill | 13/05/13 03:42 AM |
| 2 | Looks matterhe's a dangerous, mysterious guy. Yeah, and prior to becoming "dangerous" and "mysterious" by racking up a body count, he was just a guy like any other. | /r/TheRedPill | 13/05/13 03:37 AM |
| 1 | Looks matterHis being physically attractive is part of it, but there are plenty of ugly murders who get love too. Killers take the "bad boy" stereotype and turn it up to 11. That becomes powerfully attractive to some women. | /r/TheRedPill | 13/05/13 03:15 AM |
| 1 | Looks matterHe's dead... so ya know... he's less attractive now. | /r/TheRedPill | 13/05/13 02:54 AM |
| 15 | this happened last nightBro, no. Shit like this can land you in jail if you don't handle it right. When something like this happens call security over to deal with it. It's their job, make them do it. If, when you look around for a bouncer, you don't see one. Then raise your voice loud enough to be heard across the bar/club and say something like "YOU NEED TO LEAVE ME ALONE" or "DO NOT THREATEN ME". The trick is to try to be loud without sounding too angry. This will draw a ton of attention, and all of those people are… | /r/TheRedPill | 12/05/13 07:21 PM |
| 2 | Should I be honorable with women?But a part of me still thinks that Honor is Honor, regardless of who I'm interacting with. I will always be honorable with other men. In that case I've got some great mortgage backed securities to sell you, and a few bridges... Honor, as you've described it here, is a good 'default' setting for your conduct. The real foundation for your conduct , however, should not be honor. It should be ** reciprocity*, i.e. do on to others *as they have or will do unto you. By behaving honorably as a default,… | /r/TheRedPill | 12/05/13 06:39 PM |
| 21 | Looks matterSo does fame and a willingness to kill people. Though they seldom admit it, a capacity for violence is very attractive to most women. These girls are attracted to him because he's a terrorist and has killed people. Their attraction to him, makes him handsome in their eyes. They can't rationalize their attraction to a violent killer, so they claim not to believe he is one. So he's handsome to them because he's a killer, but they claim he's too handsome to be a killer to rationalize their attracti… | /r/TheRedPill | 12/05/13 04:40 PM |
| 2 | Beta DisambiguationOf course, is it news? I thought this belongs not even to Red Pill 101 but its preschool :) Obvious? Perhaps, but it's also taken so much for granted that people here seem to forget about it. A lot of the discussion here implies that the modern sexual market place (SMP) is a function of purely natural forces. It's not, and that should be noted. The use of birth control dramatically reduces incentives for forming stable pair bonds in the SMP. It lets women get away with hooking-up with alphas whi… | /r/TheRedPill | 08/05/13 02:55 PM |
| 2 | Beta DisambiguationAnd take note: The reason why the girl at 19 isn't "a mom" after riding the alpha carousel is because of birth control. If not for birth control women of any age who want sex, and are fertile, have massive incentives to chase betas who make good husbands and fathers rather than alphas who just project dominance. Also: Prior to the rise of feminism and the decline of the ideal of masculine superiority; betas where viewed as superior to women by society. They had higher status and dominance just b… | /r/TheRedPill | 08/05/13 01:40 PM |
| 0 | Beta DisambiguationAnd those realities are a product of democratic elections, which means men as well as women are voting for the advocates of those policies. Most men instinctively subordinate their needs to those of women, but women do not reciprocate. The result is a pro-female bias in democratic systems, especially when that instinctive tendency is reinforced by feminist ideology. Democratic governments end up being pro-women because that is what the people want. That very subordination to women is proof of my… | /r/TheRedPill | 08/05/13 11:17 AM |
| 10 | Beta DisambiguationYou getting at, what i was talking about here: Six million years ago or primate ancestors were tournament breeders. Males fought for control over harems of females, and only the victors (alphas) got to mate. Those alphas, however, didn't take care of their ladies. At some point females began mating with sub-ordinate males (betas) in exchange for material and social support. Females, cheating on alphas, with betas. This behavior is seen is some chimp and baboon species today. This dynamic is what… | /r/TheRedPill | 07/05/13 11:10 PM |
| 4 | Beta DisambiguationSometimes I get this little nagging feeling that people don't actually read what I wrote. Welcome to Reddit sir! Take a seat and enjoy the show! | /r/TheRedPill | 07/05/13 10:18 PM |
| 0 | Beta DisambiguationOnly in fascism and monarchy. In western democracies the State is explicitly formulated as "subordinate" to the people. I may exercise dominance over individuals, but it is also beholden to them. It threatens them with violence if they violate the law, but it also promises them benefits. This undermines the instinctive sense of the State as an Alpha male in the popular consciousness. An alpha may give you gifts if the mood takes him, but he fundamentally owes you nothing. In an Alpha State socie… | /r/TheRedPill | 07/05/13 10:14 PM |
| 4 | Beta DisambiguationNo, in the welfare state, the state is a beta. A beta is a provider. He seeks reproductive opportunities not by achieving dominance (alpha), but by providing resources. Think of it this way. The state is like her husband. If you want her, then you have to become the type of guy she'd cheat on her husband with. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/05/13 09:16 PM |
| 1 | The future of reproduction: pumped-and-dumped women buying alpha sperm with your tax dollars.A lot of folks who take TRP seems to either come from, or end up on, the right politically. I read this as knee jerk right-wing paranoia. Thought process probably went: This is a medical procedure. My taxes will probably go to it in the future due to socialized medicine. Once more I'm having to pay for irresponsible women breeding just like with welfare-moms and such. Thanks to the welfare state every man is now in effect a cuckold, forced to support the children women are having with other men.… | /r/TheRedPill | 07/05/13 07:27 PM |
| 1 | Am I a terrible person for thinking she'll leave him eventually?the tedium sets in, she may leave him for reasons even she doesn't understand This applies to nay relationship. Once it gets tedious people look to bail. losing all your limbs has a very significant impact on your SMV, True, but the reason men practice Game is because there are behavioural ways to raise your SMV. IT's not all about physique and appearance. so despite everything, she may still leave him because he became "less of a man." True. I'm not some naive beta who's going to deny that poss… | /r/TheRedPill | 07/05/13 01:14 PM |
| 18 | Need to get this off of my chest, and need some guidance.I love this girl more than anything That's not love, it's obsession. You aren't in love with her. You are, however, addicted to her. One week I would love her, the next get sick at the sight of her and say some of the cruelest words to her that have ever left my mouth. During those periods, it is almost enjoyable to see her upset as fucked up as that sounds. This is a description of a completely toxic relationship. And finally this: Her on the other hand, thought it would be wise to wait [for se… | /r/TheRedPill | 07/05/13 12:59 AM |
| 1 | What do you think about cheating and monogamy?By "underlying motivations" I was referring to evolutionary imperatives, not a "rational, logical thought process". That should have been apparent from what I wrote up-thread. | /r/TheRedPill | 06/05/13 06:54 PM |
| 1 | What do you think about cheating and monogamy?Hypergamy implies seeking the most valuable mate, so if you interpret variety as value then yes you could describe polygamous behaviour on the part of a female as hypergamic. So this is a bit of a semantic debate. What I'm trying to get at is the underlying motivations. The essence of hypergamy is the pursuit of superiority in one's mate, where as the appeal of polygamy is variety in ones mates. | /r/TheRedPill | 06/05/13 01:32 PM |
| 11 | What do you think about cheating and monogamy?If that were true human beings would never have evolved to our current form. Six million years ago or primate ancestors were tournament breeders. Males fought for control over harems of females, and only the victors (alphas) got to mate. Those alphas, however, didn't take care of their ladies. At some point females began mating with sub-ordinate males (betas) in exchange for material and social support. Females, cheating on alphas, with betas. This behavior is seen is some chimp and baboon speci… | /r/TheRedPill | 06/05/13 02:16 AM |
| 1 | "Someone with a face like yours has no right to flirt with girls the way you do."Hence my first comment: I'd say you made the right call walking away | /r/TheRedPill | 05/05/13 10:48 PM |
| 1 | "Someone with a face like yours has no right to flirt with girls the way you do."You are right though, I should have recovered my frame and ignored her. Yeah, but that's not always possible. Especially when something takes you by surprise like this. Sometimes you just gotta walk away before you hit someone. | /r/TheRedPill | 05/05/13 10:28 PM |
| 3 | What do you think about cheating and monogamy?So why do women stray, from their perspective? The explanation women offer tends to vary from woman to woman and situation to situation; "I was happy", "something was missing", "I was drunk", "I don't know why I did it". That's because each of these explanations reflects a subjective experience of an instinct which manifests as a combination of emotions and impulses, and which are only rationalized after the fact. Women have evolutionary imperatives to cheat, just as men do. Hypergamy, the imper… | /r/TheRedPill | 05/05/13 10:26 PM |
| 5 | What do you think about cheating and monogamy?For the reasons, it's simply hypergamy. While this is a likely a factor in most cases of cheating there is an evolutionary argument in favor of women seeking variety, and not just superiority, in their mates. A female who mates with only one male over the course of her life risks confining herself offspring to a genetic mono-culture, which could disadvantage her descendants. A woman's urge to stray likely arises in part from an evolutionary imperative to diversify the genetic material she is com… | /r/TheRedPill | 05/05/13 10:14 PM |
| 1 | "Someone with a face like yours has no right to flirt with girls the way you do."Jill smashes into us, sending my beer flying. I turn to say "wtf" and she cuts me off by yelling "Someone with a face like yours has no right to flirt with girls the way you do." And proceeds give me shit for hitting on her friends, being a dick, trying to kiss Sabrina when the other girl I flirt with was there, etc. Given how she broke your frame I'd say you made the right call walking away. Had you been able to maintain your frame I think the best response would have been to simply ignore the … | /r/TheRedPill | 05/05/13 09:34 PM |
| 22 | "Someone with a face like yours has no right to flirt with girls the way you do."I've turned her down numerous times and used her as a wing women. Jealous bitch, not mother hen. Couldn't deal with the fact that he was going to hook-up with one of her friends and not with her. | /r/TheRedPill | 05/05/13 09:30 PM |
| 1 | Evil Men Get Laid More Than YouThe truth is often unpleasant. | /r/TheRedPill | 05/05/13 07:11 PM |
| 10 | Are lesbians welcome here? I've found I go through similar things with women to the guys here.I'm really amused by the idea that we're actually getting anything done around here. | /r/TheRedPill | 05/05/13 03:35 AM |
| 1 | Women's suffrage is the worst thing to happen to Western civilization: Allowing women voting privilege. We were warnedIt's not a question of giving benevolent rulers better feedback. Don't confuse a 'feedback system', where the results of the system rebound back on the controllers of the system, with "feedback" in the sense of advice i.e. "Bob gave me some good feedback today". The benevolence, or lack there of, of rulers in a representative democracy is largely immaterial. What matters is that when their results are poor, they will (eventually) get voted out. This includes poor results produced by benevolent i… | /r/TheRedPill | 05/05/13 01:50 AM |
| 2 | Women's suffrage is the worst thing to happen to Western civilization: Allowing women voting privilege. We were warnedCan you provide a real world example of this? Leave out suffrage if you have to and just give me an example of this: Democracies eventually fail when the populace realizes that they can vote to give themselves extra money and benefits from the government treasury. I just spent and hour Googling, and reading academic papers on failed democracies, and the causes always seem to come back to one or more of the following: coups invasions official corruption ethnic rivalries I honestly couldn't find a… | /r/TheRedPill | 05/05/13 01:28 AM |
| 3 | Revelation: Girls who say bad boys aren't long-term relationship material are just incapable of getting them to settle down for them and are rationalizing their incompetence at getting relationships.That only works if you equate monogamous with "tame". Remember that these are female fantasies we're talking about here. No woman is going to fantasize about running away with the bad boy, only to have him ditch them for a hotter chick. | /r/TheRedPill | 04/05/13 11:51 PM |
| 7 | [Mod] State Of The Subreddit May 2013From what I've read the rape conviction in Ohio followed from the testimony of three witnesses, all friends of the defendants, who testified to that the girl in question was non-responsive. As for "that father last month who proudly punished his 4-year-old for 'raping' that girl he kissed" consider the source. This guy is a 300lb mangina-neckbeard. Just read this to get an idea of how far gone he is. I think the overuse of 'rape' to induce villainization of men and victimization of women is far … | /r/TheRedPill | 04/05/13 11:42 PM |
| 2 | Women's suffrage is the worst thing to happen to Western civilization: Allowing women voting privilege. We were warnedThere is no "smuggling" here, as that would imply deliberate misdirection and malfeasance. Yes, I'm writing with a number unstated premises, but that's because this is internet commentary and not a PhD thesis. That being said, I'll be happy to expand on my thinking and address your questions. Yes, I do hold that women (and children) are "legitimate" voters. I hold this position because I do not view voting in conventional terms. Voting in the context of electoral politics is typically portray as… | /r/TheRedPill | 04/05/13 10:56 PM |
| 9 | [Mod] State Of The Subreddit May 2013I agree that meaning of "rape" has been diluted in some circles by feminist efforts to expand the definition of rape. Indeed the very concept of "rape culture" implies that women in the western world experience "rape" just by living here. However, that very effort to expand the definition of rape has cost feminists much of their credibility and is one of the reasons that only a minority of women self-identify as feminists. My concern is that it will like wise cost us credibility with the general… | /r/TheRedPill | 04/05/13 10:07 PM |
| 1 | Sorry DaveBasically yeah. Don't get me wrong I'd expect your GF to be pissed, but "I didn't have sex with any of them" is a mitigating defense; especially if we're talking about teenagers. Teenagers are children, they're petty and impulsive. You might as well get mad at water for being wet. As far as this case goes: She was never really attracted to this guy. She only stayed with him for as long as she did because she was pressured to by him and by their community. There's no reason to go "slut-shaming" t… | /r/TheRedPill | 04/05/13 07:38 PM |
| 13 | Sorry DaveThis is a great example of how women (and, frankly, most men) really feel about people who obsess over them. Obsession is at best obnoxious and pathetic, and worst stifling and dangerous. This is why one-itis is so dangerous. You can loose the love and respect of someone if you let yourself love them too much. | /r/TheRedPill | 04/05/13 07:31 PM |
| 6 | Sorry DaveDown thread she states is was 3 or 4 sessions of "high school cheating" which she defined as second base. She never fucked around on him and broke up with this guy when she was 18. Frankly, she's not the bad guy here. All she's guilty of is not caring about an obsessive ex-boyfriend from high-school. | /r/TheRedPill | 04/05/13 07:28 PM |
| 37 | [Mod] State Of The Subreddit May 2013Therefore we will refer to alimony as divorce-rape, circumcision as baby-rape, and conscription as life-rape. I'd advise against engaging in this kind of new-speak. Yes, one definition of rape could apply the these circumstances: an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside. The common usage of the word is: the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse. Managing language to frame issues is imp… | /r/TheRedPill | 04/05/13 07:12 PM |
| 6 | The future of reproduction: pumped-and-dumped women buying alpha sperm with your tax dollars.I read the article and couldn't find anything indicating "your tax dollars" are at issue. Where did you get that? The only thing I obviously saw wrong with this is: Or she might ask a boyfriend who wants to wait a few years to start a family to pony up for the procedure. which ignores the fact that the reason most men want to delay fatherhood is to save money. Other than that this is just a new wrinkle on an old theme, people using using technology to overcome the limits of biology. | /r/TheRedPill | 04/05/13 07:00 PM |
| 24 | Women's suffrage is the worst thing to happen to Western civilization: Allowing women voting privilege. We were warnedYeah... No. Winston Churchill famously described democracy as " the worst form of government except all the others". This pithy turn of phrase sums up one of the fundamental truths of democracy; despite its self-evident flaws democracy is the optimum method for governing large scale human societies. This is proven by the fact that it produces objectively better results (measured via human health and well being) than competing systems. Why does democracy deliver better results? Because it is a fe… | /r/TheRedPill | 04/05/13 06:00 PM |
| 1 | Evil Men Get Laid More Than YouTrue. My point wasn't that we're incapable of "good", it was simpy that we're all capable of "evil". | /r/TheRedPill | 04/05/13 04:14 PM |
| 25 | Am I a terrible person for thinking she'll leave him eventually?Yes, you are being too cynical. What's worse, even looking at this purely through a red pill perspective you're ignoring the subtleties of the photos and videos. Subtleties like: he is hailed as a hero by his community (social proofing) he is not self-conscious about his limbs, which will lead her to be unconcerned about them as well (strong frame) his body language conveys strength and confidence Taking TheRedPill isn't about assuming that all women are shallow, heartless bitches. It's about re… | /r/TheRedPill | 04/05/13 07:27 AM |
| 3 | Question/dealing with false rape accusations?Polygraphs are not legally admissible evidence and as such a court cannot order them conducted nor consider them when hearing a case. Polygraphs do not detect lies, they measure perspiration, respiration, heart beat and other physiological indicators of nervousness. (also paragraphs make your posts more readable) | /r/MensRights | 04/05/13 04:04 AM |
| 7 | Girlfriend's mom trying to betaise me. I almost didn't notice.Your plan assumes the mom is worth fucking... I have my doubts. | /r/TheRedPill | 04/05/13 02:43 AM |
| 1 | Evil Men Get Laid More Than YouNo. You can assert that they "lived a good life", as the results of their actions were good, i.e. had good consequences. From this you can infer, that they were likely "a good person", but you can't be sure of it. Determining whether someone is "a good person" is an assessment of their character, not of their actions. A person may intend to accomplish "good", but produce "evil" via their actions due to misfortune or incompetence. Conversely a person may intend "evil" but instead accomplish "good… | /r/TheRedPill | 04/05/13 02:23 AM |
| 3 | Evil Men Get Laid More Than Youeven in America | /r/TheRedPill | 04/05/13 12:21 AM |
| 17 | Girlfriend's mom trying to betaise me. I almost didn't notice."Wait a minute, didn't SHE exactly do what her mom accused me of doing? Dropping the partner for a better oportunity? These are double standards!" Good catch. There is another double standard at work here, however, one that applies to the mother's behavior. She has clearly lost control of her daughter. Her daughter is 17, dropped out of school, and is now looking to date a 20 year old. She is trying to get you to assume responsibility for the daughter she has raised irresponsibly. She's trying t… | /r/TheRedPill | 03/05/13 11:59 PM |
| 29 | Revelation: Girls who say bad boys aren't long-term relationship material are just incapable of getting them to settle down for them and are rationalizing their incompetence at getting relationships.They all involve a insifgnificant dumpy woman being "selected" by a super alpha guy then convincing him to leave behind his ways and settle down. Actually that's not what happens in mommy porn. Twilight, 50 shades, pretty woman; the female character doesn't convince the alpha to "settle down" with her. Rather she convinces him to draw her into his world. It's not a fantasy about taming the bad boy, it's a fantasy about running away with him. | /r/TheRedPill | 03/05/13 11:43 PM |
| 19 | Evil Men Get Laid More Than YouEvery man woman and child on this planet is descended from 10,000 generations of rapists, murderers, and cannibals. If you aren't "evil" it's only because you are holding yourself back. | /r/TheRedPill | 03/05/13 11:26 PM |
| 2 | Are we the bad guys but we don't get it?compared to being a female in the western world Women, at least in the US, report lower rates of subjective happiness than men, and those rates have been trending downwards since the '70s. Men's subjective happiness claims have largely held steady since that time, oscillating up and down with the economy. Feminism, it seems, has had far more success making women miserable than it has making men miserable. quality of life is determined as part psychologically and financially. It's also in part ab… | /r/TheRedPill | 03/05/13 02:18 PM |
| 14 | TRP for a man who doesn't care about casual sex?TheRedPill isn't about getting easy sex. That's just a side benefit; it's there if you want it. The theory here basically boils down to this: Evolution has shaped human psychology to a significant degree, and no element of our psychology has been as powerfully impacted by evolutionary forces as our reproductive psychology. Evolution has left the female of the human species with a hypergamous reproductive strategy; a tendency to seek out males who are superior to her. Despite popular culture asse… | /r/TheRedPill | 03/05/13 01:20 AM |
| 9 | Are we the bad guys but we don't get it?Yes, western world is lousy place to be a man Compared to what? Men in the developing world may retain a higher social status relative to their women, but their quality of life generally is less optimal than that of the average western male. It's easy to lose perspective when reading through this subreddit. I've noticed a tendency on the part of commentators here to focus strongly on the most negative aspects of modern social dynamics. This results in an exaggeration of how bad things actually a… | /r/TheRedPill | 02/05/13 09:42 PM |
| 7 | Are we the bad guys but we don't get it?Society is sick, insane, and self destructive It's not that bad. Society is just in the grip of a number of irrational and counter productive fallacies, but that's nothing new. Over the past few thousand years western society has grappled with, and ultimately overcome all kinds of bullshit ideologies. The general trend line for our civilization has been positive. We keep trending towards a more and more accurate understanding of our world, and higher and higher quality of life. These positive tr… | /r/TheRedPill | 02/05/13 08:58 PM |
| 7 | Are we the bad guys but we don't get it?It proves we're on the right track. | /r/TheRedPill | 02/05/13 08:51 PM |
| 25 | Are we the bad guys but we don't get it?Yes! We are the Bad Guys! Embrace it! Anyone who launches a critique of the conventional-wisdom and accepted-truths of their society will be vilified. The more accurate that critique: the more intense the vilification. But if you embrace that vilification, it loses it's sting. TheRedPill, at it's heart, is about recognizing and setting aside the various fallacies that our society has taught us and gaining advantage by basing our actions on empirical reality. However, anyone who sets aside, or wo… | /r/TheRedPill | 02/05/13 08:48 PM |
| 1 | "Especially Men" Because it's all our fault I suppose! (RE: UK soap star arrested on suspicion of sex with an underage girl.)Or someone is making a false claim because of this: In March, Mr Roache was forced to issue an apology after he appeared to suggest sex-abuse victims were being punished for past sins. And the police and the BBC are extra sensitive to such allegations now because of the Jimmy Savile scandal and the fact that another actor on Coronation faced similar charges in December. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/13 11:02 AM |
| 21 | "Especially Men" Because it's all our fault I suppose! (RE: UK soap star arrested on suspicion of sex with an underage girl.)Story here High-lights: Roache, 81, faces an allegation of raping an under-age girl in Lancashire between April and July 1967. An episode of the soap due for broadcast on Friday will be edited to remove the actor. So this dates back to '67, which means the odds of there being any physical evidence are pretty small. Possibly it's nothing more than a he said/she said scenario, and he's already facing professional consequences based solely on the accusation. | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 02:04 PM |
| 1 | Dear Prudence advice: Wife is resentful that husband makes more $ than her & maintains completely separate finances [although he pays all the bills and gives her pocket $]. Prudence tells her "TelYeah, he'd still likely be on the hook for some. But it would be as bad as it would have been they'd mixed finnances and he got hit by the 'means to which they have become accustomed' rule. The means shes accustomed to work out to "always broke" according to her. | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 01:41 AM |
| 1 | Dear Prudence advice: Wife is resentful that husband makes more $ than her & maintains completely separate finances [although he pays all the bills and gives her pocket $]. Prudence tells her "TelThe aren't living separate lives. They live together, they eat together, they sleep together. They probably do all kinds of other things together to. They just maintain their finances separately. | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 01:36 AM |
| 2 | Dear Prudence advice: Wife is resentful that husband makes more $ than her & maintains completely separate finances [although he pays all the bills and gives her pocket $]. Prudence tells her "TelIt's not the entire relationship, just some of the economics of it. There are still advantages to getting married; tax advantages, child reering, healthcare and retirement benefits | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 10:26 PM |
| 5 | Dear Prudence advice: Wife is resentful that husband makes more $ than her & maintains completely separate finances [although he pays all the bills and gives her pocket $]. Prudence tells her "TelNo, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying he's prepared for a divorce, not that he wants one. Keep in mind that this is the life style this couple has maintained since they were married. They've been doing this since day one. Half of all marriages in the US end in divorce and divorce law severely disadvantages men. It makes a lot of sense for a husband today to keep his finances seperate from his wife's and to encourage her to live within her means rather than within his means. It helps defuse … | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 07:39 PM |
| 11 | Dear Prudence advice: Wife is resentful that husband makes more $ than her & maintains completely separate finances [although he pays all the bills and gives her pocket $]. Prudence tells her "TelIt sounds like a man living in expectation of divorce. He keeps his finances seperate so he can make a clean break, and he makes her pay for the house as she is the one most likely to get it in a divorce settlement. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 06:09 PM |
| 16 | Dear Prudence advice: Wife is resentful that husband makes more $ than her & maintains completely separate finances [although he pays all the bills and gives her pocket $]. Prudence tells her "TelThis article describes a husband's strategy for mitigating divorce theft. He pays most of the bills, but clearly isn't spoiling her as she is "broke most of the time". This makes an large alimony claim harder to sustain on the basis that he should have to support her. Most importantly though, she pays the mortgage. He's likely to lose the house in a divorce, so his solution is to never pay into it. | /r/MensRights | 30/04/13 06:05 PM |
| 2 | Is the allure of (American) elite universities just an excellent marketing scheme?What I am arguing for is whether what they sell is just a shiny product without as much of the substance they claim it has, and whether it's all worth the trouble Over the past few decades we have watched the elites of our society make blunder after blunder. Those occupying the highest offices of business and government have been, almost without exception, either the products of these 'top schools' or have been advised by such individuals. Despite this (or perhaps because of it) their decisions … | /r/TheRedPill | 19/04/13 05:40 PM |
| 3 | Why do you think men get oneitis?You raise a good point. The issue here is that Oneitis is actually two differnt conditions with somewhat similair symptoms: Paternal Oneitis is an intense sense of affection for one particular female, typically experienced by mature men. This is a doting affection, much like a father for his child. She is special in his eyes and he cannot see her faults clearly. This is a nuturing impulse that leads to pair bonding and facilitates the rearing of children, hence it is "Paternal". Nihilistic Oneit… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/04/13 06:54 PM |
| 3 | Why do you think men get oneitis?Where did you read about that? (if you can remember) JFGI: "human pair bonding", "origins of human monogamy", "human reproductive strategies", etc. It's one of the most common theories as to why men desire and accept monogamy. Biologists, looking at the obvious advantages of polygamy for males had to ask the question, why would any man accept or desire monogamy. The only answer that ever makes sense in biology is "it serves evolution"; i.e. it aids in propagating genes. When you look at how help… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/04/13 04:50 PM |
| 4 | Why do you think men get oneitis?Very true. I think alot of guys on this subreddit would benefit from watching the first few minutes of this video by GirlSaysWhat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VupEC0cAWo FYI: GirlSaysWhat is a pro-MensRights woman. In that video she discusses the biological origins of monogamy in humans. To sum it up, our direct primate ancestors were most likely "tournement breeders" where males would fight for control harems of females. The Alphas were the winners of the fight and would get exclusive right… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/04/13 02:33 PM |
| 3 | Why do you think men get oneitis?i know girls are biologically-inclined to hypergamy as guys are to spinning plates It's important to recognize that these behaviors, which are always part of humanities instinctive baggage, are prominent today because we have technologies which lower the risk factors associated with them. We have for condoms preventing the spread of disease, birth control preventing unwanted pregnancy, and government preventing wide spread social violence and providing social services. If these technologies were… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/04/13 01:48 PM |
| 1 | Why do you think men get oneitis?I believe It's also the product of an instinct to aid in rearing children, inorder to improve the odds of your young surviving and your genes propagating. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/04/13 01:42 PM |
| 12 | Why do you think men get oneitis?It's caused by blue pill thought Don't fall into the same trap that feminists do. Not every impulse you find objectionable is the result of societal conditioning. Most are the product of human nature. Human beings are semi-monogamous. We have a natural desire to form pair bonds, as those help in the rearing of our children. This is where oneitis comes from. We also have a natural desire to deversify our genetic porfolio. This is where polyamory and cheating come from. Every human being on the pl… | /r/TheRedPill | 17/04/13 01:37 PM |
| 3 | Asshole = nice guy in disguisei'm still waiting Yes, you are; I'm glad you noticed. I'm glad you realized that I've got you waiting on me. Think about that for a moment. Think about how you are dwelling on my responses. Can you hear the hamster wheel spinning? you only talk about the one point i got wrong. how can you even think of this as an argument? This whole time I have been conducting myself with the mental frame that I owe you no explanations. I make the points I want to make, becasue I want to make them. That's part … | /r/TheRedPill | 16/04/13 05:35 PM |
| 3 | Severe depression as a result of reading Red Pill material.I feel that it is easy to be an asshole to people and take advantage of them because you know what makes them tick. Yes, there is more to it than that. The reason why I emphasize the "Be the Bad Guy" approach is because it's a useful mental trick. We often inhibit ourselves from taking actions that would be effective in meeting our goals, because we're concerned that those actions violate some standard of 'good behavior'. Even when we learn intellectually that most people wouldn't find such beha… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/04/13 05:15 PM |
| 2 | Asshole = nice guy in disguisei can't wait to hear your reply about how wrong i am because i'm defensive and how that proves your point and makes you right. ... 'nuff said | /r/TheRedPill | 16/04/13 04:34 PM |
| 7 | Asshole = nice guy in disguiseThis is just sad: here you come in, providing wrong information (he did not bang the hotter, married one, though it was his choice not to) What did you think this meant: After the club I walk her back to her hotel and give into her seductive ways. And you criticize my "reading comprehension"... i defend myself, with basically everything i just said above. Exactly, you got defensive, a classic sign of insecurity and a typical 'angry Beta' reaction. Alpha's don't get angry, and people can't put th… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/04/13 11:52 AM |
| 5 | Asshole = nice guy in disguisehey, if those girls were the only good-looking girls in the entire venue, i would have stayed. i would've brushed it off and reacted like OP so i could eventually get in their pants. You're not going to convince anybody by changing your position. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/04/13 02:17 AM |
| 22 | Asshole = nice guy in disguiseimagine if a few guys he was talking to and trying to make friends with started yelling at him because he wouldn't pay their tabs. you'd react the same way as you'd do with the girls in OP's post, just brushing it off and teasing them? well you'd better, because remember, people are petty, selfish, and entitled. not just those girls, Nooo <shakes_head_sadly/> men and women have different social instincts, different social roles, and thus merit different responses. if you just walk-off anytime so… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/04/13 01:29 AM |
| 12 | Asshole = nice guy in disguiseand probably insulted them while walking away That's not just walking away. That's fleeing while attempting to save face. People are petty, selfish and entitled. Not just women, people. If you just walk-off in a huff every time you face it, then you'll end up denying yourself most human contact. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/04/13 12:49 AM |
| 6 | Confidence vs. Arrogance.Arrogance: "That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard!" Confidence: "I understand your position, and here's why I disagree with it." An arrogant person is dismissive of others. A confident person is accepting of others. (Note: acceptance is not agreement) | /r/TheRedPill | 16/04/13 12:45 AM |
| 42 | Asshole = nice guy in disguisefacilitating infidelity... That's entirely on her, not on him. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/04/13 12:36 AM |
| 28 | Asshole = nice guy in disguisewould've left right then and there and probably insulted them while walking away. not that you didn't do good, that's just so bitchy on their part i don't know how you maintained politeness (especially when you saw sarah again and she called you an asshole. what the fuck.) He shrugged it off, re-engaged, got apologies and ended up banging the hotter, married one. After she spent the night buying him drinks. His actions are a text book example of the alpha's "I don't give a fuck attitude". It sho… | /r/TheRedPill | 16/04/13 12:30 AM |
| 6 | Severe depression as a result of reading Red Pill material.What is it about the red pill that makes you depressed? I always found understanding the way the world really works to be empowering. For me this was especially true when I began building my understanding of evolutionary psychology. I came as quite a relief for me to realize that all the shitty things people tend to do weren't being done out of malice, but rather out of ancient instincts they themselves aren't conscious of. And once you understand those unconscious, instinctive motivations, you … | /r/TheRedPill | 15/04/13 01:47 AM |
| 6 | Severe depression as a result of reading Red Pill material.I just find it weird to try to talk to people because I feel like it should be something that is socially unacceptable Human beings are social creatures. They like when you talk to them. Just keep things relaxed and superficial. I feel like I have no idea how to interact with other people There are tons of resources on and off line that can help with this. Just here on reddit you can learn a lot sifting through /r/seduction and /r/socialskills . Start with learning good body language, and then l… | /r/TheRedPill | 15/04/13 01:47 AM |
| 1 | Interesting TwoX rationalization threadEasy brother, I'm not defending her (I ain't no white knight). I'm just trying to keep our conversations accurate and objective. I place a high priority on maintaining my personal credibility. I'm not going to ignore relevant facts in a debate in a public forum just because they are inconvenient to our shared perspective. I completely get where you're coming from on "the general attitude you see from women" i.e. the hypocrisy you are addressing here: how does it make sense for a woman to fuck ar… | /r/TheRedPill | 13/04/13 01:31 AM |
| 1 | Interesting TwoX rationalization threadher past may or may not be a dealbreaker. but you should at least know and make your decision. I wouldn't dispute that. However, you may be maligning her a bit by assuming she wants to "hide her past". Yes, she's clearly embarrassed about it now, but the very fact that she asked whether she should tell a future boyfriend about it or not indicates some desire on her part to be open and honest. The problem again seems to be more with some of the women on the forum who were asserting that her past … | /r/TheRedPill | 13/04/13 12:39 AM |
| 1 | Interesting TwoX rationalization threadI'm not talk about it like her "episode" was controlling her. I'm acknowledging that her mental illness compromised her judgement and thus reduced her culpability. That friend of mine who got arrested; he never did time anytime because the courts recognized his reduced culpability. A bi-polar individual in the midst of a manic episode will often believe they are infailible and/or invincible. To them it seems like nothing can ever go wrong, and even their most stupid ideas seem like brilliant pla… | /r/TheRedPill | 12/04/13 09:08 PM |
| 1 | Interesting TwoX rationalization threadThis isn't like excusing her behavior because she "has low self esteem" or "has a hormone imbalance". I had a friend in highschool who was bi-polar, he would do crazy, stupid, reckless crap when he went off his meds. He got arrested more than once. This chicks sexcapades are realtively tame by comparison. And we should note, she's not letting herself off the hook. She knows that her behavior was reckless and stupid and took responsibility for it. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/04/13 08:39 PM |
| 3 | Interesting TwoX rationalization threadhaving unprotected one night stands with a dozen+ men at the age of 18 is not something most men find attractive in a woman and it doesn't really bode well for her prime years. Granted, but if we're going address that specific case lets not lose sight of the fact that she was in the middle of a manic episode. Her mental illness is what doesn't bode well for her future, not simple promiscuity. When a woman focuses on her career and sleeping around until she's over 30 she's most likely going to pr… | /r/TheRedPill | 12/04/13 07:31 PM |
| 3 | Interesting TwoX rationalization threadFair enough, but that presuposes that the only "reasonable path" for a woman is to become a wife. Is that part of the RedPill perspective? Serious question as I'm still reading through the background materials in the sidebar | /r/TheRedPill | 12/04/13 03:57 PM |
| 5 | What a wonderful bastard.Putin is a great subject to study. He plays the alpha-male, strong-man-leader role to a 'T'. I always find myself womndering how much of what he does is instinct and how much is a form of game. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/04/13 03:03 PM |
| 2 | Glass BasementsFor the most part the author makes an interesting argument that the rise in women's status has made it more difficult for them to find acceptable, stable partners. However, this isn't necessarily true: Given the fact that men are not, as a general rule, hypergamous, any woman at or below his level is a potential mate Research based on speed dating and online dating stats have shown that men do have some standards. Most men have a 'floor', a certain level of attractiveness in women that he will n… | /r/TheRedPill | 12/04/13 02:51 PM |
| 8 | Interesting TwoX rationalization threadIt's because the stereo type of women as inately good, harmless and nuturing is so ingrained in our culture that people need to have a rationale for female abusers. Without an explanation for why the abuse happens they can't confront the reality of it. This is especially true when mothers abuse their children. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/04/13 02:16 PM |
| 4 | Interesting TwoX rationalization threadThe same way you tell if a woman is into you in the first place; watcher her behavior closely. If you're worried, read up on the symptoms of these disorders and watch for indicators in the women you are involved with. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/04/13 02:10 PM |
| 5 | Interesting TwoX rationalization threadBrand new user account. Post dripping in stereotyped feminist messaging. Clearly a troll. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/04/13 02:05 PM |
| 10 | Interesting TwoX rationalization threadWhy isn't it a reasonable path? I thought the RedPill philosophy was about recognizing the realities of human (and in particular, female) sexual psychology and using it to your advantage; not condemning it. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/04/13 02:03 PM |
| 1 | Advice to all of you from a bi guyA semi transparent content warning. | /r/seduction | 10/04/13 08:39 PM |
| 4 | Advice to all of you from a bi guydude, add a NSFW warning | /r/seduction | 10/04/13 05:33 PM |
| 4 | Found this in a high school classroom. I politely asked the teacher to take it down. She laughed and told me to lighten up.Work the system the way a feminist would. Got to the school's office when you have some free time and ask about procedures for filing complaints against teachers for sexist and discriminatory conduct. Also write a letter to the local school board explaining your concerns and why you found the poster offensive. In both the letter and the formal complaint focus on how unacceptable it is for a teacher engaged in sexist conduct to laugh it off and tell a student to lighten up. Make a point of noting… | /r/MensRights | 10/04/13 09:33 AM |
| 10 | How do you maintain confidence without letting it become arrogance?I thought I was being cocky-funny. You were, well played. later she said "you're really arrogant today" I would have read that as a shit test and replied with an Agree and Amplify like, "Yes I am, and you like it." So what is the line? What kind of confident behaviour is endearing and what kind begins to irritate people? There is no line. Confident behavior will always irritate some people, because they find it threatening. Most people will respond positively to it though, so it's a good baselin… | /r/seduction | 09/04/13 01:18 PM |
| 2 | Hamster spinning, hypergamy, in /r/confessionsThat's such stereotypical self-entitled bitch thinking that I'd be tempted to believe one of us wrote it. | /r/TheRedPill | 09/04/13 12:01 AM |
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