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This study doesn’t prove beauty is objective, lol in fact, it leans more toward proving that beauty is subjective. While it highlights that traits like symmetry and “averageness” might be broadly appealing across cultures, these are just small pieces of a much larger puzzle. The study itself acknowledges that individual and cultural differences play a significant role in shaping preferences. What people find beautiful goes beyond biological tendencies and is influenced by their personal experien…
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 08:12 PM
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If you think you can’t win a beauty contest against those two people I’m not gonna sit here and argue you down. You clearly think you’re not attractive compared to them. Who am I to care or convince you otherwise. I feel like a lot of people today phish hard for compliments and validation and a lot of these beauty opinions stem from shallowness and spending way too much time on screens. But I feel sorry for you that if someone saw you and decided that they actually found you to be more beautiful…
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 07:27 PM
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I don’t think a man-made standard that basically erases, ignores and downplays the beauty of several other cultures, races and ethnicities is “effective”. I’m happy to hear that you like the fact that it’s what’s promoted. But that doesn’t make it a fact of life. It just makes it a nice little marketing ploy.
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 07:23 PM
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Then you should be able to cite your scientific source.
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 07:21 PM
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From the day you’re born, nearly every thought you have is something that’s been fed to you…by your parents, your school, your church, your peers, and reinforced by the culture around you. In a place like America, this happens on an enormous scale. We’re heavily indoctrinated. Every ad, every commercial, every TV show, every conversation reinforces the same standards, the same narratives, over and over. Even our education system keeps us in line, pushing us to stay within the boundaries of what …
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 05:45 PM
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Wtf is “objectively” attractive? It seems to me that many of you never learned the lesson that beauty is very subjective. And this isn’t up for debate. Lol Literally what one man believes is beautiful, another may find hideous. So this idea that there is some objective standard is a lot of you lying to yourselves or simply buying into mainstream propaganda of beauty. That in itself is your answer. Because you have a belief system that is dependent on a particular look to find someone sexually at…
/r/ExRedPill24/01/25 03:43 PM
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If there is one theme that stands out about red pill for both the men and women who subscribe to it, it’s the tremendous amount of self abandonment that is required to participate. And I’m with you about the confusing women. It’s baffling. Truly, I don’t understand women who twist themselves into knots for men who don’t even notice the effort. They humiliate themselves, clawing for validation from men who wouldn’t lift a finger to protect them, much less love them. And for what? To be objectifie…
/r/ExRedPill23/12/24 06:29 AM
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How you are perceived is nothing you can control and none of your business. There is nothing “perfect” about a world where you cultivate knowing yourself, believing in yourself, and being unapologetically authentic. This coming from a healed chronic people pleaser with a PR degree. I know a LOT about people pleasing lmfao, which is why I see your affliction for what it is. There is nothing you can tell me about trying to manage the perceptions of other. Life isn’t perfect boldly learning to be y…
/r/ExRedPill22/12/24 06:25 PM
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That is the epitome of dependence on external validation. 😂
/r/ExRedPill22/12/24 06:10 PM
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Yeah, like many men, you are drunk on and addicted to external validation. Coming back down that path when everything you do pushes you forward on it, is gonna be a long hard journey. Good luck
/r/ExRedPill22/12/24 06:07 PM
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It sounds like you’re grappling with a deeper question here: what does it really mean to connect with someone authentically? The tension you’re describing—the fear of crossing boundaries, the confusion about attraction signals, and the temptation to lean into tactics that feel wrong but sometimes “work”—all come down to this: Are you showing up as yourself, or are you wearing a mask to avoid rejection? Here’s the hard truth: Masks might get you short-term attention, but they’ll never earn you la…
/r/ExRedPill22/12/24 06:01 PM
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You believe in red pill because you don’t believe in yourself. Red pill embellishes and makes the parasitic nature of men glamorous to them. Instead of overcoming and deconstructing that it is mesmerizing and tempting to just lean into it to get what you want: a cooperative domestic slave who believes her worth is wrap up in fulfilling your needs at the expense of her own. The younger, the better.
/r/ExRedPill22/12/24 05:43 PM
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Body count is not a normal part of dating discourse. Many have no idea what it means. Little boys talk about it. It’s an immediate red flag that someone is consuming bullshit in their spare time.
/r/ExRedPill08/01/24 03:03 PM
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The radicalization of young men is a huge problem, more so than ever. Yes there are issues but this is absolutely not the answer. It’s oil on fire. 100% wrong.
/r/ExRedPill04/01/24 09:00 PM
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I see.
/r/ExRedPill03/01/24 01:52 AM
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Everyone is dating for how it can benefit them. I'm not sure why you're stating that as if it should be shameful. You wouldn't date someone who didn't benefit you in a relationship, would you? Many women do it for nefarious reasons. The time I did was because I was way more mature than men my age (by leaps and bounds) and I wanted someone serious and knowledgeable, less likely to play games, be into casual sex bullshit and cheating. I needed very masculine and way less boyish, which (right, wron…
/r/ExRedPill03/01/24 01:30 AM
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People who blame men for getting cheated on are as awful as people who blame women for getting cheated on. BOTH do in fact happen and I simply described the types who do it. They don’t deserve to be applauded and they are NOT victims. Nothing I said is inaccurate. The only reason I’m downvoted in this community is because I am a woman, I don’t pander to the men here or go out of my way to stroke your egos. I’ve paid attention to how y’all operate and this is mostly just a support group for whini…
/r/MensRights31/12/23 03:38 AM
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Women do receive this response. From their mothers who were raised to worship and die for men and mother in laws alike, from other women including pickmes. It’s not all or nothing. Some people side with men and others with women.
/r/MensRights30/12/23 10:17 PM
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Some are well aware and weaponize the fact that many are unaware and really believe they are religiously backed in some of the hellscape views they hold. The ones who know better thrive on the chaos of the ones who are willfully ignorant and don't want to know better.
/r/ExRedPill19/12/23 04:52 AM
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I was just about to walk away from this because the argument was so disingenuous, but this comment is 100% sensible. If the conversation isn't productive and focused on genuine solutions - but just tit for tat, then it will always be focused on a battle of the sexes and not genuinely getting to the bottom of the problems. Sometimes the truth doesn't feel like it's in your favor but that doesn't make the other person right or men innately bad people. Take the fact for what it is and move forward …
/r/MensRights16/12/23 08:02 PM
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Just delete it or start a new account that better reflects how you've grown.
/r/ExRedPill15/12/23 04:28 PM
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This would be meaningful if it were substantive or even an effective rebuttal, but something tells me you often struggle with contributions of significance.
/r/MensRights15/12/23 01:06 AM
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Lol
/r/MensRights14/12/23 10:02 PM
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This is the most absurd thing I have read today. It’s still early so we have time. The number of men swimming online who slept through basic history classes is too damn high. Hatred and exploitation of men? Sir! We live in a PATRIARCHY!! Meaning a male dominated and powered society. The people doing the hating and exploiting, making the rules and laws are MEN. You can’t be serious. Lmao Because women have fought tooth and nail to break free of shit men put in place (the very things you’re whinin…
/r/MensRights14/12/23 04:50 PM
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Depends on the level of self improvement you’re doing. If it’s light work - sure. It’s manageable, you’re close to healthy with a few minor things to work on, and you can continue to do so without becoming distracted. Do it! If it’s deep work - no. Online dating is easily toxic and will likely trigger the person. Their vulnerabilities are not handled or well known and they can easily be exploited — compounding their already delicate situation. They’re thinking with a broken mind and will bring i…
/r/ExRedPill12/12/23 06:29 PM
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The way some people are being hooked into this is alarming. It's a level of radicalization that I've seen first hand with men I knew who grew up adoring women. The people peddling in this garbage know how to exploit the vulnerabilities of these men and suck them into nonsense that gives them a false sense of power, control, and potential fulfillment. When I've encountered loved ones gripped by this nonsense, I made a point to never debate the topics. It serves no purpose except to help them deep…
/r/ExRedPill12/12/23 04:27 AM
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Some men do have an issue with it. The comments are a great starting point to see just that. Some women may want to be in charged sure. Others simply want to be recognized for the providing, protecting and leading they're already doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:02 AM
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I don't answer to you. Leaders don't need to decide if their is a difference of opinion. I lead a team. They're still able to resolve their own issues if there's a difference of opinion because they have the skillset to do so. A difference of opinion should not be a barrier to their talents and performance. I should not need to intervene like mommy. Interesting how your superiority couldn't figure that one out. A man who needs to threaten fear, abuse and oppression to prove his superiority can n…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 03:50 AM
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Don't you have a woman somewhere to abuse and beat so you can get more man points? Kick rocks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 03:47 AM
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I didn't twist your premise. You did. At no point did I define collaboration as 50/50. You introduced that and developed your entire response around it. ​ It is false because people don't form relationships based on power. While some may not form relationships based on power, a power dynamic is always present between people at any given time. The two positions provided at no point asserts this is how people form relationships. It simply provides a focal point and clear bounds for the discussion.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 03:43 AM
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They can do it on anyone. And physical force is not the ultimate power.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 08:21 PM
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​ A leader is the person in charge, ie the one who has the last word. Leaders often take the back seat to allow others to take charge. And needing to get the last word is ego. Not leadership. ​ It's one easy to understand. Force is a physical characteristics easily measurable. Plenty of things to crush that little fist. ​ And still you're unable to list one. Unable. Ha! That's cute. ​ You talk with all these "don't you know" and other attack the messenger jibes but you offer just empty words. De…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 08:17 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:37 PM
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Yeah. I have strong opinions about religion, but I'd actually find these comments far less alarming if they were rooted in something like religion. The one that takes the cake is the (paraphrasing) - "I am man! You are woman! You must bow to me! FORCE!! I have fists!" packaged in pseudo-intellectualism.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:10 PM
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Lol that is a very interesting question. Haha! Can make an entire post about that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:03 PM
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You are absolutely right. A lot of young men are not aware that this existed. It is knowledge that was passed from woman to woman unbeknownst to many men. I mean, they could know, but many enjoyed the attention even if fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:55 PM
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Clearly, some men like deference if they're opting for obedience. And power is present in a collaborative relationship - much more of it actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:52 PM
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Sure, just open the Instagram app and click explore. You’ll have no issue with it. That's not data supporting your argument. ​ Instagram boyfriend is a term that exists for a reason. Not evidence of women continuing to advertise herself on social media even after being in a monogamous relationship MORE than men. Also, this is not nefarious. Are you trying to assert that women shouldn't have social media because they're in a relationship?? ​ Enough so that vogue even wrote an article on it I grea…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:48 PM
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I never, at any point, said it's not weird for a guy to go digging around, demanding "evidence" etc... No. You said women need to prove to men they don't care by relinquishing their privacy. ​ both parties have different incentives. Your perceived incentives do not absolve you of your culpability. Men are creating this environment as much as women, but men are only holding women accountable for it. ​ I'm just pointing out the WHY men feel the way they do. I thought we were talking about men's pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:34 PM
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Because even in a "50/50 collaboration" both parties are going to be obedient to each other or contract they agree on. This is already off to a poor start so I'm going to stop and comment here first. Collaboration is not 50/50. It is about working together. Collaboration also does not demand obedience. Two people can show up in their own right, with power, autonomy and authority and collaborate toward a shared goal. So no obedience is not necessary in a collaboration. You've twisted the premise …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:13 PM
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"moreso concerned of a woman continuing to advertise herself on social media even after being in a monogamous relationship. " You first. I'd love to dig into the data that supports women advertise themselves on social media after being in a monogamous relationship far more than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:06 PM
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IF women didn't care, they'd gladly tell everyone their sexual history rather than say it's none of their business... Because they wouldn't care about the dudes who cared. "Prove to me who you are by giving up your privacy. That's the only reason I'll believe you don't care." I like the way you think. Let me hold your routing and checking numbers real quick to prove you have some money. Then I'll believe you aren't homeless. /s ​ But they don't like it for long term. Not the point. The point is …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:02 PM
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Oh, you've never seen a thirst trap from a guy before, lmfao! Men absolutely advertise themselves online in more ways than clearly you're aware of. And men use social media to cheat on their women, too. Don't try to gaslight me on this shit - it absolutely goes both ways. TF are you talking about? "As of 2023, there are 33.38% female and 66.62% male users of onlyfans.com." People meet online, become monogamous, and suddenly it's logical for a man to worry that a woman is still playing the field …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:52 PM
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No one is mad. You dudes don't exist to these women, which is really at the root of the problem but that's another post. You literally have to get on podcasts and make incessant posts about it to get anyone's attention. No, you didn't say they can't but you constantly try to justify shaming them under the guise of talking about your preferences. But we never hear about the preferences. We only hear about the hatred for what you don't want. No one is mad about your preference. I'm just curious ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:46 PM
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On a different post, I recently posted: "I tend to hold my opinion on a man’s looks because I have seen very attractive men who suddenly opened his mouth and my cooter dried up and blew away, and other men who I curled my lip at and as soon as I got to know him I was drooling and fighting the urge to stalk him. The way my attraction is set up, I can’t really afford to judge books by their covers." I stand by that fully. I have several experiences that taught me this about myself. The first guy I…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:18 PM
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You think women aren't concerned about men continuing to advertise themselves on dating apps, pouring into women's DM's, and have emotional affairs with anons in other non-descript forums even after being in an monogamous relationship? This issue and subsequent concern is on both ends, not just an issue for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:58 PM
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I'm curious, why do you need to be concerned with what a woman does with her body? Why do you need to devalue her, formulate opinions about who she thinks she is or how she values herself, determine her worth, proclaim what she thinks? Why is that up to you? Who asked you? If your preference is a woman who has only ever slept with an extremely low number of men, then focus on those women. But you don't focus on them. You go out of your way to shame and drag the women you don't want. Why? Those w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:50 PM
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Collaboration is not about a 50/50 split. It's about working together. Any ratio can apply as long as both parties agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:43 PM
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"Gotcha" a derivative of "I got you" or "I get you", can in fact mean okay, got it, and cool beans, which are all synonymous with "I get it." Lol In fairness, "gotcha" can also mean "I'm out to get you" or "I've trapped you". At any rate, apology accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:42 PM
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All of it is a complaint. Do you understand what it means to complain? It’s expressing a state of dissatisfaction. You are dissatisfied because women won’t feed your ego. Complaining isn’t an emotion. So no there is no presumed emotion. You tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:57 PM
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😌
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:54 PM
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Stating it as fact does not change the fact that you were complaining. Lol now you need me to point out an entire post of you complaining that “women don’t feed men’s ego”? Lol are you being serious right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:53 PM
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The entire premise of your post from the title to the last sentence is based on a complaint that women don't validate you. Did it disappear for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:45 PM
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What's dense was your need to lead me down a path instead of just making your claims like you just did. Look how you were able to make all of those claims without dragging my responses into the development of your argument. We didn't need to hold hands after all. What you've asserted are your personal opinions about men and women and not facts, including your personal opinions about me. It's actually funny when there's multiple documented comments in this sub to the contrary. All you know is how…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:42 PM
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If you’re so much better than women, why are you on the internet begging them to validate you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:27 PM
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Oooo! That IS a topic for another thread. Tag me in that one.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:25 PM
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One is to obey and the other is to perform duties asked of them. Very similar but I won’t play the word games Subservience is about obeying others unquestioningly. That's what we're talking about here. ​ The answer to my question is yes or no. Lol the way some of you throw your little weight around like you run something tickles me. The answer to your question is precisely what I gave you. ​ The question is: are you willing to go 50/50 on house duties. Simple yes or no. Also the unwillingness to…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:24 PM
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Subservience is not serve. Do you understand the difference? I did answer clearly. The ratio is irrelevant. This discussion isn’t about going 50/50. It’s about why some men prefer obedience to collaboration. Again, collaboration has nothing to do with 50/50 unless the parties involved decide it so. Any ratio could be chosen and collaboration would still be in effect. Collaboration is about working together.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:10 PM
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Thanks for sharing why you prefer obedience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:02 PM
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Collaboration isn't about 50/50, it's about working together. Any ratio is applicable as long as both parties are in agreement. The point is one party does not need to become subservient to the other in order to move toward the same goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:00 PM
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You're certainly right.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:59 AM
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What a relief.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:57 AM
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In fairness, the sentence can be comprehended in two ways. So the dig is more a reflection on your need to be rude than any superior intelligence. Lmao. That's not obedience in modern-day relationships. You went on to assume it was kink and then word for word described kink. I'm not talking about BDSM. "It's blowing your mind that people comment out of their ass and don't reflect reality?" It's blowing yours that people hold views that don't align with you. And instead of dealing with that and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:50 AM
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"They lead one another." Hmm wow that sounds amazing... when I say amazing I mean feel good meaningless platitudes. How do two people lead each other? I'm very curious what that means. You would be. It's no surprise to anyone reading this that the concept of leadership is profound and hard to grasp for you. ​ "Do you think former presidents stop being leaders because they retired?" Actually yes. Actually, no. The qualities that made a president a leader doesn't disappear because she no longer ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:39 AM
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History happened. Lol you can't "not really" history away. I get what you and your friends want for yourself but you're not all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:28 AM
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You are well aware I am not taking anything to such extremes. There are plenty of menial decisions that have no effect on the relationship and there is no need for them to be considered part of this discussion. Right, so this is just a friendly reminder that you don't get to tell me what I'm well aware of. I don't know the extent of your belief system. I don't know what you deem menial and having no effect on your relationship. This is why we ask questions, because in my opinion everything that …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:26 AM
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No. Actually all men do not want the second type of relationship. And that's evident by the comments and American history.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:05 AM
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That's just kink talk and not reality lol Uh, no. It's definitely reality. Marriages were founded on this before women became free of it. Traditional marriage vows still call for a woman to "obey" a man. I'm not talking about BDSM, I'm talking about real men who truly believe they are superior to women and that their spouse obeys them. Read the comments. ​ My last relationship was pretty much what you classify as obedience It's not my classification. It's the definition of obedience. ​ One thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:03 AM
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​ Yes. But her responsibilities are not related to decision making. So you intend to dictate how and what she cooks, what and how she cleans, what she wears every day, how she manages herself with you, how she rears the children, when and if she can answer the door for deliveries... I mean human beings are making decisions a gazillion times a day. Your wife is never making any decisions? So, do you work or do you stay home telling her every move she's allowed to make? ​ Because she trusts in my …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:58 AM
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"You're two leaders" It begs the question, who does each lead if they are both leaders? Lmfao. Common sense is no longer common. They lead one another. They lead their family. They lead themselves within a relationship. They lead in their communities, at work, in their churches, when they volunteer. Interesting. So do you stop being a leader when you're a single man and suddenly you just become a leader because someone thinks you're cute? Do you think former presidents stop being leaders because…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:47 AM
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Authority is the fair counterbalance to responsibility. If I am going to be responsible for the well being of the family/relationship (and I will be) then I want the authority to make decisions and have those decisions followed. So your wife has no responsibilities for the well-being of the family/relationship? Why doesn't she get authority to make decisions and have those decisions followed alongside you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:34 AM
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Right. That's great. So recognize that this is your personal opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:22 AM
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To obey is to comply. I provided the definition in the original post. It is what it is... Being able to walk away from a situation that demands your obedience doesn't change the fact that obedience is being demanded of you. So for you it sounds like your relationship is rooted in cooperation. For the men I'm speaking to, we're talking about obedience. We're talking about I am your superior. You will do what I say because I am an authority over you and your life. You obey me. Whether you like it …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:20 AM
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You're not "collaborating a leadership roles". You're two leaders, two adults, who work together toward a shared vision. It's not one role split. It's two roles brought together toward one vision. Lol, this isn't a foreign concept. It's also nothing new. Netflix, Chipotle Mexican Grill, Warburg Pincus and SAP all examples of co-CEOs. [...]public companies led by co-CEOs outperformed their peers in average annual shareholder return. There are plenty of businesses with multiple owners who hold equ…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:13 AM
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Right, I think I get what you're saying. But you used the word obedience which demands subservience and compliance. Meaning you think there will be situations where you don't need her input, and that she is beneath you and must comply with what you want to do because your position in the relationship is above her. Obedience is not cooperation. Obedience is not partnership. Obedience is compliance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:02 AM
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"Solipsistic" - great word. Disagree on the last point. I'd argue cooperation and trust are more attractive to couples. And I also see a few people who have conflated the compliance that comes with obedience with cooperation. They're not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:43 AM
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Agreed. Religion does come into play here for some men. So far you're the only one to insert this. Others who are proponents of this thinking are leaning on: A belief that men are superior to women A belief that women prefer this from men A belief that women were biologically designed to want this Not one of them has went the bible thumping route just yet. Which is great actually. It reflects at least from an American Christian perspective the decline of religion and yet the toothless remnants o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:40 AM
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Lol, you're right. She's taught by grandma and her mother how to play dumb when she is dealing with a man who needs to feel more competent than her to be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:35 AM
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​ I reject the notion that humans are blank slates and that all behavior is learned. That's great. The notion was never asserted. ​ How do you normalize something that existed long before even language did? Exactly what existed long before language did? ​ But it does set them firmly on course to inhabit that role naturally, as they so often do. Being told/taught to do something because you're a woman is not natural. It's a learned behavior. A menstrual cycle is natural. Cleaning a house is learn…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:31 AM
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​ Funny that you think that a belief must be a religious belief. I don't. You errantly claimed I held a belief religiously. One I'm not a social constructivist, and that you're conflating that with collaboration is remedial. Second, this topic has nothing to do with social constructivism which is a learning modality. Three, I don't believe in religion. Four, because I don't believe in religion, there is no belief that I hold "religiously". Five, your claim that I believed anything religiously wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:06 AM
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Falsehoods are not related to the issue at hand. Men are not superior to women. Women are not superior to men. Women use force to overpower. They are not incapable of it. Force is not bad. Never has been bad, and force is not good either. Nice try.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 08:32 AM
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If the only prevalent sport is basketball. There are basketball teams all around for as long as anyone can remember. And someone came along and said football was a fun sport. And you retort, "name one successful football team..." do you really have a salient argument? You don't. You're simply leaning on the fact that basketball is more prevalent. And you're likely negating the reasons why just to prove a point. Not being able to name football teams doesn't mean basketball is superior, more fun, …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 08:22 AM
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I'm not sure how you made the leap from divorce rates to men being loyal when there are plenty of marriages rife with infidelity. The couples are just too lazy and fearful to leave one another or too financially ruined to afford a divorce, so they stay together. Divorce rates are a poor indicator of loyalty. It's interesting, at first glance there isn't a lot of material on it. I think some of the typical reasons behind hetero divorces still come into play for same sex. And having done zero rese…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 08:11 AM
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I'm not thinking about it backwards. Like I said, I'm confused as hell what you're trying to get at here. "Because she wants to work?" was a wild ass guess. Lol But now that you've stated it more clearly, I see what you're getting at. Thanks for clarifying. What this seems to suggest though is that a man is incapable of being a leader unless someone is forced to follow him by way of him figuring out how to dominate them in one way or another. He is not naturally superior ... would you agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 07:13 AM
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I actually don’t disagree with this opinion. I think you’re right. However, I think men and women are still largely terrible at collaboration because they’re still shedding the antiquated thinking rooted in the obedience ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 07:04 AM
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Omg... what? Gotcha, meaning ok, got it, cool beans... How am I making this adversarial with "gotcha"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:51 AM
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Ok... but I'm not quite following what you're saying is the reason she's far more likely to leave. Because she wants to work?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:50 AM
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So because that's all you've ever seen, that's the superior way and not just what those in power wanted?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:47 AM
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What I want is not the discussion. Why does being better than someone automatically mean others must become subservient, compliant and obedient?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:46 AM
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Good leaders don't demand obedience. They naturally inspire others to follow. Men want to inspire women to let them lead, and women want.... Right, because patriarchy surges globally. This isn't evidence of anything innate to interactions between men and women. These are learned behaviors based on social constructs imposed upon men and women at birth. Someone told you that you are a natural leader and stronger than women, and then went out of their way to make it so by rooting our civilization i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:39 AM
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Gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:28 AM
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What bearing does it have on the conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:17 AM
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I've never demanded obedience in a relationship. Cooperation, sure. Obedience? No. It's not part of all relationships. There is no such thing as "my" and "your" definitions. Words have meanings and words matter. I've provided the definitions of 'Obey' and 'Collaboration' from a brief Google search in the original post. Merriam, Oxford, etc. will have fundamentally similar definitions. There is a strong difference between willingly cooperating with your partner and obeying him because he deemed h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:11 AM
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Wait... was this directed at me or is Louis, a woman? Because if so, what a wild plot twist! lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:05 AM
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Your position is meritless. You're not looking to talk about the issue at hand. You're looking to peddle in how men are superior to women. What does arguing with you about that do for me? It's not even the topic at hand, which you also struggled to grasp. Lol The only thing this will lead to is you exposing more of your wounded thinking and me pitying you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:01 AM
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I appreciate you saying that but there are men here and elsewhere who do in fact expect obedience and subservience. Those were the guys I was talking about. Even in a religious context the word obey is still default in wedding remarks and many women are opting to remove that language. Obeying which demands subservience is precisely what is meant. It's awful to hear but some men really want obedience. So I appreciate the attempt to soften it. But I'm not talking about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:49 AM
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Your mindset is toxic and it's damn near palpable in this last response. There's a lot here to unpack and a sliver of it would be interested to dig into. But I don't do hate and people drawing conclusions when they don't know shit about the other person, such as "that's your religious belief." Lol not only am I not religious, but I actually hold extremely controversial views about all religions. And even your assertions about feminism and misandry -- all baseless bullshit eager to spill out of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:35 AM
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I never held anything over his head and he still showed his ass. So ... blaming women either way is unfair. Regardless, our anecdotal experiences are not true of all men and women. I brought it up to show that people are nuanced and we all want different things. Men and women are not and will never be exclusive monoliths.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:15 AM
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For collaboration to not be detrimental to men, egalitarianism must exist. As I stated above, if I'm giving you power without responsibility, then I'm inherently taking my power away while maintaining responsibility. That is slavery, and it absolutely must be rejected at every turn by men. Collaboration recognizes that both people are inherently powerful. They work together, cooperating with one another to reach their goals. Collaboration never demands that one party submits to, obeys, or is sub…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:11 AM
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Who said anything about 50/50? And not to say that 50/50 can't be established between two parties, it happens all the time. But it could be 60/40, 80/20, 70/30. Whatever those two decide works for them. It's not a requirement for two people to be equal at all times in a relationship. The point is one is never subservient or obedient to the other. Instead they collaborate and cooperate with another. There's an important difference. Leaders are often followers, arguably the best were incredible fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:05 AM
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It wasn't dismissive, it's your personal opinion. Do you really think you can just say "all elephants have wings" and get away with it without providing evidence to support your claims? And yet here you are saying all women want traditional men, while talking to a woman who is not interested in a traditional man. And I'm being dismissive for calling out your errant, personal opinion? Lol come tf on. At least argue in good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:54 AM
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Ah yes, that post is what led me to make this post. I replied there as well. It's interesting, I lead a man on my team who is extremely talented. I have nothing but the utmost respect for him and my team would be at a critical disadvantage without the specialized skill he brings to the team. He is no less of a man because he reports to me. I don't see him weaker or me inherently more powerful. I appreciate his contributions and find what he does for our team to be invaluable. I've also been in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:36 AM
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That's why I used the word "some" very clearly in the title. But thanks for restating the obvious. What would we do without that bitter contribution?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:27 AM
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I mean a lot of couples don’t have the exact same vision or compatibility. You’re married to a human, not a robot you built. Having a shared vision has nothing to do with automation. It's not unnatural or inhuman either. There is something fundamentally wrong with two people who come together and are not on the same page about why they are together and what they are working toward. I do agree however that a lot of irresponsible people foolishly are so eager to play house and get married that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:25 AM
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I'm familiar with much of what you've put forth. But you've contrasted a man leading with a woman leading. When a man leads it's this. When a woman leads it's that. My question is about a man leading versus a man and woman leading together.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:18 AM
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Collaboration and egalitarianism are not synonymous. They are two very different things. And staying focused on the purpose of this conversation, collaboration does in fact exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:15 AM
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Because no matter the relationship I'm still expected to act and put myself as a traditional man, doing it while not getting the benefits of a traditional relationship is idiotic. I agree. That would be idiotic. I wouldn't date people who expected this of me and I don't believe all people do (of men or women). Much of what you've shared otherwise is rooted in your personal opinion and your personal experiences about women and I'm sorry to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:11 AM
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Then choose a more collaborative woman. And recognize that no type of relationship is conflict-free. So come with conflict resolution skills and attract a partner with them as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:09 AM
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This issue with your entire statement is that you're saying it's either or (obedient or collaborative) when in reality, relationships can and in my opinion have a combination of both. That's what I have in my marriage and it works incredibly well. I qualified this discussion with "for the sake of the discussion" so we can make a distinction between two types of relationships: One with a single leader and one with two leaders. I never said there was no collaboration in single leader homes. I'm no…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:08 AM
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That’s all well and good but where do you see it in relationships between men and women? One person is always leading the relationship in some way or another. Not true. Partnership is preferred over husband/wife by some couples because more people are opting for dual-leader households. Another example is with the power couple dynamic. These aren't new concepts on the romantic scene. Modern, but certainly not new. ​ Relationships that appear like “collaboration” are just the woman leading more of…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:04 AM
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I don't disagree there. But I think traditional men want that in the bounds of a relationship where he still has the final say and ultimate power.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:01 AM
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Because the world isn’t in perfect harmony and your utopian collaboration in real life is just a whole lot of disagreements and arguing all the time or two people who are too afraid to make decisions which is just as frustrating. Every tribe needs a chief or a captain to steer the ship. There is nothing utopian or perfect about collaboration. Lol Just because you're unfamiliar with it being done successfully doesn't mean it doesn't exist or is impossible or fantastical. People in leader / follow…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:00 AM
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Why do you think she's far more likely to leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:54 AM
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Interesting - thanks. It sounds like you're unfamiliar with dynamics where a leader does not need to be present, and two people can move toward a shared vision without a leader. Let's put relationships aside for second and just focus on the fundamental nature of this. You've never seen a successful dynamic where two people maintained full control and sovereignty while achieving a goal together without one person having to dominate and take over power from the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:50 AM
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Collaboration is burdensome and takes a lot of time and can lead to fights or debates that people simply don’t want in a relationship. Ineffective collaboration is burdensome, takes time and can lead to fights. Those qualities are not unique to the practice of collaboration. If those things are present, it simply means that the parties attempting to collaborate are not skilled, do not share the same vision, or are highly incompatible. It doesn't mean collaboration is inherently broken.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:45 AM
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You're mistaken to oppose obedience and collaboration. I'm not mistaken in contrasting obedience with collaboration. You disagree. It's fine to disagree. You understand this one way and not conversely. That doesn't make me wrong. It makes your understanding limited. ​ Basically, you collaborate when you share the goals. Right. In a relationship dynamic, why wouldn't a man and woman have shared goals and a shared vision? Aren't they working toward the same end? ​ The question is thus, why, when t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:41 AM
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This is wrong. One person is always going to be leading. Either the man is leading or the woman is leading. False. This is what makes words so beautiful. There are in fact instances where two people are leaders in their own right and decide to work together. This is called collaboration. It exists. We see it all over the place from cofounders, cochairs, in alliances, etc. There are plenty of dynamics where leaders work together without one persons needing to dominate the other. I'm sorry you've …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:25 AM
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In the very specific case of a man who does take sole financial responsibility for the family (i.e. is a 100% breadwinner and wants a partner to be a 100% homemaker), it could be argued that since he is the person providing the income he has some degree of proprietary authority. Interesting. So a family leader only needs to be a competent earner to be effective at leading a family? No other skills, duties or competence is required to appoint him/her as the leader?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:16 AM
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Contrarily, there are many situations where people are subscribing to ideologies where the man in fact does believe he is uniquely qualified and those are the instances I’m curious about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:04 AM
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Women internalize misogyny and are easily indoctrinated all the time. I’d love to see data that supports that claim. But I see what you saying.
/r/ExRedPill03/12/23 01:39 AM
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I understand what you're saying. But you don't have to lead your life defenseless or in fear of men. And it's also not true that you couldn't physically overpower them with skill and training. You choose how to navigate your life, not society. So, the more women arm themselves. Train and learn to defend themselves. The more they can stop sinking into tired beliefs that men always have the upperhand in a combat situation. He doesn't have to.
/r/ExRedPill03/12/23 01:10 AM
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That wasn't the point that I was making by bringing up martial arts. Martial arts teaches you that one does not need brute force to win a battle. It teaches you about the "negative" force or power of submissive/passive acts in battle. Submission and passivity is often attributed to femininity and in western culture is mistakenly attributed to weakness. But submission and passivity are rooted in power. Power is just used differently and less overtly. Lol who told you that men would still win most…
/r/ExRedPill03/12/23 01:01 AM
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Oh I know you were talking about physical strength. That's why I called out that women are as strong it's just a different type of strength. Even head to head with a physically stronger opponent, a skilled warrior can still defeat her opponent. Brute force is not only conquered by equal or greater brute force. We learn this in martial arts.
/r/ExRedPill03/12/23 12:40 AM
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They "think" we can't/won't fight them. It's one of their biggest blindspots.
/r/ExRedPill03/12/23 12:00 AM
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We are just as strong as they are. It's just a different kind of strength most women are just learning to wield. Men are not omnipotent or indestructible. Trust me, I've brought plenty to their knees without lifting a finger. ;)
/r/ExRedPill03/12/23 12:00 AM
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Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:54 PM
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Thanks. I've worked under enough power-thirsty nuts and experienced how awful that was to know that I'd never become that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:50 PM
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My husband could be the smartest man in the world. I still would hope that he loved and respected me enough to want me by his side as a partner. Regardless of his superior knowledge, I'd still want to know that he valued my opinion, heard my perspective, cared about my needs, and had the competence, patience and respect to inspire and influence me to new visions or directions he wanted our family to follow. I would hope that my man would care enough to involve me in decision-making as his wife, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:44 PM
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Yeah, I see what you're saying. I simply disagree. I think it's disrespectful (among other things) to demand obedience of an adult. It goes against their personal sovereignty and autonomy. I actually am a leader offline and have a high success rate with the approach I take. People find it far less oppressive. We align on expectations, exchange one another's needs, I back the fuck off and allow my people to do their thing. It's a mutually beneficial relationship where I have problems to solve, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:29 PM
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Children feel nurtured by strong parents who they can trust to look after their well being. Negotiating with a 2-year-old is irresponsible because 2-year-olds can't negotiate lol. Seeing the relationship as a dictatorship says more about your issues with authority figures than it does about the necessity for a parent to be competently and lovingly in control of their babies and the circumstances of the environment their baby is developing in. Like I said, there are stages to this. Obviously when…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:16 PM
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Obedience is foundational in a parent-child dynamic. It’s not a partnership. And it doesn’t demand terrorism. You take on a totally different role of being a guardian with full responsibility for their well-being and safety. I’m not negotiating any of that with a toddler. But that’s just me. Once that respect and authority is fully established, which is essential and the child moves into ages of independence and understanding I will gradually move toward what you’ve described. But that in my opi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:12 AM
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I think “obey” is oversimplified for the workplace and outdated language. You’re carrying out an agreement to provide a service for which you are paid, and you are to do so within a matrixed hierarchy that was established not to subjugate you, but for the profitability, productivity and organization of the business. I don’t need my employees to “obey” me. That is not the function of my role. We agree on the job they will perform, their pay, and the vision, and they have the autonomy to carry out…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 10:13 AM
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How do husbands surrender to wives? And what entitles him to be obeyed? You’re both adults. Why does one person ever need to be “above/beneath” the other in a way to demand subservience? Why can’t they partner, cooperate, and compromise like two mature adults rather than operating like parent and child. Children “obey”, not adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 09:59 AM
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I’m confused about why some of you think men are owed attention and “validation” just because. It’s not strangers’ jobs to validate you. It’s weird to me that people are growing into adults and finally discovering self-validation. And in this case treating it as something to be weaponized against women “to be better than them.” Some are so hung up on it because they believe all the catcalling and harassing they do to women is desired and the anchor of women’s self-confidence so how dare women no…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:42 AM
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These women don't put their best foot forward after. It's not like he met her down and out, and then she suddenly became glamorous when they broke up. Usually, he meets her young and dumb. She looks amazing because she's young and hasn't had kids yet. He sucks years out of her life. She has his children, keeps his house, coddles him. She gains weight from childbirth, stress, and putting an entire household before her own well-being, none of which she is appreciated for and barely helped with. Sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 12:42 AM
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Very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 12:26 AM
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Where I will agree with the dismissiveness of "go get therapy" is that it makes it sound simple when it is far from it. You have to be willing and ready to pull your weight, be honest, put in the work and want to be better and change. You have to be receptive. Most people think they can just show up twiddle their thumbs and have a magic wand raised. You have to find a personality match. Someone you respect and on some level you relate to and feel actually understands the things you're talking ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 12:18 AM
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If a person's problems are so "self-proclaimed important but complex" that they can't humble themselves long enough to partner with a professional who can provide the space, tools, and facilitation to help them find healing, then that person is not interested or willing to be healed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 12:10 AM
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I directly answered your question and sidestepped your attempt to pigeonhole me into thinking to which I don’t subscribe. Nice try though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:30 PM
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Women are no more subordinate to the state than men are. But this is interesting because it highlights mens' consistent failure to realize that they are more controlled by the patriarchy than they ever truly benefitted from it. For a very long time they've seen themselves outside of it, above it even, similar to this argument. Yes, women have the choice to be independent from men now in the same way men have always had the choice to be independent from women and both are government slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:26 PM
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Exactly this. Pill people really think that the rules they've made up about their little gangs are subscribed to by the masses and that everyone thinks that way because they said so. They live, breathe and eat this shit because it's easier than paying for therapy and facing the monster in the mirror.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:20 PM
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A lot of what is complained about online is largely exaggerated and focused on a hatred of gender versus a conversation about dating in itself and the problems that come with it. The conversations happening offline look and sound very different. They are about real life problems and not 'taking down the opponent'. People are also busier actually living those lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:17 PM
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Icks: Poor hygiene. Blindly indoctrinated. Fixed mindset. Lack of style and interpersonal savvy. No originality or creativity. Posing as someone/something he's not - inauthentic. Ignorant. Melancholy, lethargic types. I think I'm superior because I'm a man (I love to embarrass these guys lol). Machoism without a purpose - types. Shallow. Emotionally retarded. No goals or vision for their own damn life. Therapy and risk-averse. Undercover cowards. Racists, sexists, and any other ists. Gym rat / m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 09:57 PM
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I'm not going to single out any groups, because the fact that there are groups more than proves the point of plenty. At no proportion does it become a reasonable expectation. Deciding to or not to develop a complex demonstrates a person's upbringing, mindset, character, maturity, and overall healthiness in the world. It is not "reasonable" to decide to become a lifelong, hateful d*ck because of X. It's just the best that person can do and that's too bad for them. That's my point and it doesn't m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 09:44 PM
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So because the world is critical of one aspect of who someone is you think it’s necessary to have a complex about it? Plenty of people manage to make it through the world with all sorts of stigmas some way worse than being short without developing a toxic personality complex. Why should short guys be held to a different expectation?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 09:23 PM
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I see it all the time in PPD. I actually had never seen it before until I started participating in this sub. It's a common complaint but usually rooted in hate and retaliation. Also metabolism and other health conditions can absolutely be genetic can cause weight problems. And height while it can't be changed, can be "managed" by way of not making it one's entire personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:12 PM
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How is it childish and immature to fall in love and be sexually attracted based on having a deep emotional connection with someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 07:12 PM
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I’m not mocking you. I’m calling out your childish and immature behavior because you made a point to troll every comment that I made with your pissy attitude. You clearly didn’t understand what I was trying to say and now you’re accusing me of propaganda and you’re drawing ridiculous conclusions because you’re incapable of intelligently disagreeing with what I put forth.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:56 PM
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There is no propaganda just because you’re triggered by certain words doesn’t mean I’m peddling in propaganda grow tf up.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:52 PM
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I never said that you don’t want sex at all because you’re demisexual. Demisexual is not about not wanting sex. It’s about not being primarily turned on by the physicality of sex. The fact that this simple fact confused so many of you is really tickling me. 😂 Demisexual is not asexual .
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:52 PM
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How exactly did you gather from my statement that all marriages are happy and full of attraction for each other?? Help me understand what made you draw that conclusion by me simply refuting that sexually objectifying your wife isn’t going to make her fuck you if she’s demisexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:50 PM
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My comments really got under your skin didn’t they. Came back to so much hate mail from your ass. 😂🥴
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:49 PM
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lol offended where? I simply replied with an example as to why the assertion was wrong. You’re the one butthurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:48 PM
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It means that being objectified isn’t enough to sexually arouse a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:46 PM
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Men and women are not monoliths so no, you’d be silly to walk around telling people that all men want X as if men don’t come in varying sexualities, religions, political affiliations, home upbringing, education levels, cultures, classes, etc. so many things factor into how people feel and operate that there is no men do X. It will always be “some” men think and feel X. As individuals we are not responsible for representing or standing in solidarity with any group unless we want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:42 PM
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Being demisexual, sapiosexual, etc does not negate a need for physical chemistry. It simply means their sexuality is more complex and other things carry more weight. There is no hard and fast rule that says a person must like another person even if they’re ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:39 PM
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You’re pissy about a discussion, resorting to personal attacks toward an anon stranger, and I’m mad? 🤣 Cool story bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:34 PM
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That’s why the operative word was many and not all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:33 PM
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I don’t need to. While this may be true of some women, many women are demisexual in nature. Period, full stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 11:28 PM
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If that were true, there wouldn’t be husbands getting denied sex by their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 11:21 PM
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I think you’re right. This thinking also lends itself to a lot of the projection men do as well. Men tend to speak aloud how they think and feel about themselves and what hurts them even if they are directing it at you. Some men are constantly obsessing over bodies, but it’s also because they are deeply concerned with and critical of their own bodies and how they look. They obsess over youth and are often deeply, deeply insecure as they age, wrinkle, get fat, lose hair. They love to catcall and …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 11:20 PM
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There is no question being asked. A statement was made that you clearly can’t comprehend. Asking if I’m challenged and you clearly didn’t even read well. Someone can consider feces food - you gonna eat it just because it’s the only thing available?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:36 PM
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There’s a near 0% chance that a man has zero women who would date him too. But that never stopped them from whining semantics. Back in reality, men have plenty of suitors they just think they are entitled to IG models when they don’t do any work to make themselves desirable to even their minimum pick. And obviously you’re clearly not a woman when you say they should somehow consider diseased rapists as options. Those are not options for anyone and demanding a woman goes after someone she’s not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:31 PM
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Tell that to OP. Let him know men were wearing make up, skirts, wigs and heels well before they became mainstream for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:26 PM
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OP presented a topic and you couldn’t stay on topic. No need to “get mods”. It is what it is. There have been several successful matriarchies throughout history and to this day. Lol the idea that there was one sounds like history.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 11:00 AM
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“Somebody attacks me for that and I perform a citizens arrest for assault and battery followed with a civil complaint and I'll laugh when they get convicted and sentenced and their garnished wages pad my account.” Remember: You became the threat first. Offline, I don’t beg and I don’t repeat myself. You get one time to cross my boundaries. So this is what happens when you disrespect clear boundaries of a fearless person. I move from 0-no thank you, to 100-strategic aggression. Because at this po…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 10:44 AM
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So you admit that you’re deviating from the bounds of the argument to introduce additional context?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 07:55 AM
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So you’re concluding that when a man dates a “below average” looking woman, he’s doing it because he’s wholesome and sees something more in her and never because he just wants to fuck? Or is it that you think because one man deems a woman “below average” all men see her that way and therefore men dating “below average” looking women are good guys doing the lord’s work? I can list many reasons why a “below average” looking woman might get dates from wholesome and good to absolutely fucking nefari…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:48 AM
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The argument presented two options with no additional context to get you to focus on one part of a subject. You are simply incapable of focusing on that part of the subject without qualifying it with exceptions and additional context that you need to add in order to validate your points. As it stands, the argument is essentially: having nothing to eat is the equivalent of having ecoli-laced feces to eat. Your responses so far sound like: "WELL!!! It's only because the women don't see the chunk o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:08 AM
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Yeah, this doesn't make sense to me. An advance is not unwanted until it has been rejected. Trying to conflate the two and skip steps because all you think happens is men get rejected is creating a confused argument. It makes you sound like you're an advocate for harassment. I'd attack a man who thought it was ok to approach me after I firmly told him no. Especially now when the hostility toward women is at an all time high.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 04:57 AM
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If 100 men don’t meet her minimum standard... This changes the argument again. The post did not state they didn't meet her standards. The post simply states they are unwanted men. Societal standards could deem someone unwanted. For example, people see single mothers, people with incurable diseases, violent rapists as unwanted. S If a guy had 100 unwanted suitors, he’d still go on dates. No. He wouldn't because the operative word is unwanted. Meaning he does not want them. Again, you're trying to…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 04:52 AM
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Make up like clothing is cultural and customary. Some women wear make up due to their insecurities. Other women wear make up to accessorize their beauty and fit within a certain standard of dress (e.g. formal attire vs party attire vs business attire).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 04:44 AM
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So you’re adjusting the argument. This would be the same as me saying, “I don’t think there is 1 man on earth with absolutely NO interest.” I mean accept the argument for what it is or admit we’re talking about something else. You’re trying to change one end of the premise to win an inexistent competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 04:17 AM
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This suggests unwanted advances and advances in general are one and the same. Once a person rejects, move on. It’s likely not going to lead to anything positive. And there are far too many stories of women who gave the guy they rejected for months and years a chance just for him to introduce fury in her life in his desperate need to get revenge for the rejection. That is now wisdom women are sharing with one another, “once you say no. Never change your mind no matter how nice he is.” One guy wen…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 04:14 AM
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I disagree. I think this is more regional/cultural than looks driven. As someone who’s lived North/South, been East and west…. I’d say it doesn’t matter what you look like men in inner cities cold approach far more often because of the frequent contact with strangers in public spaces. They are also more likely to be rejected in a “crowd” - so public embarrassment and higher chance of them lashing out. Whereas men in southern areas (less dense, you drive everywhere) are less likely to be rude whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 03:39 AM
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Men who use women do it all the time. Sex is sex for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 03:31 AM
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I would agree with this with one change in wording, instead of 'unwanted' use 'unsolicited' or 'cold'. The point being you're coming in hot on a situation where you have no clue the outcome or level of interest. 'Unwanted advances' are wrong - no way to slice it. No means no, friend. If you actually mean 'unwanted' then yeah, lol, this is highly problematic. I'd tell men who agree with this to learn to leave people tf alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 03:05 AM
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Zero. There's a huge difference between being a coward, being courageous and being smart/wise. Deciding not to engage in a physical confrontation doesn't necessarily signal weakness in a civilized world where law reigns supreme. Am I going to be impressed by the man who bucked up and beat the shit out of [insert however many aggressors] or the one who deescalated the situation or the one who refused to fight and later sued in court, pressed charges and won? None. I need more info about the situa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 03:00 AM
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wouldn’t want to touch with a ten foot pole No dates, relationships or potential relationships come from 100 unwanted suitors.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:42 AM
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The same only in the way of being undesirable. The argument I see here is that 100 is a better situation to be in than 0, which fundamentally is right back to the base argument of "woe is me, I have it worse than you." For no other reason except to fuel some need to win... absolutely nothing. It's worth having a conversation about the legitimate issues that come with both situations. Men who are isolated, depressed, ostracized, rejected, talked down on, insulted, and everything that comes with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:38 AM
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Neither. It takes two to play games. Both options are playing games. A) Demands her undivided attention on you as if she doesn't have a personal life, other suitors, and that she owes you a level of exclusivity you have not earned at the early stages of dating. His expectation of consistent communication at the expense of everything else puts all the power in his hands. B) She's being completely inconsiderate, shouldn't be dating if she can't be responsive or communicate when she's unable to be,…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 02:09 AM
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Power. It’s an expression of power for a weak man.
/r/ExRedPill30/11/23 12:47 AM
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There’s actual whining that happens here versus your annoyance with a long response. And copouts are par for the course. Suit yourself. 🤘🏾
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 12:28 AM
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This part ... but you can tell it's this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 12:25 AM
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"I'm just an asshole, I enjoy being this way. You'll get used to it. Or you won't, but that's a you problem." Ha! Endorsed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 12:24 AM
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Are we really going to go back and forth about this? The idea that women *never* approach is trash. That it may not be as common as men is because we live in a patriarchy. DUH! Men made the rules and customs for a very long time and women have always been approached as a result. That's the way ya daddies and their daddies wanted it because they deemed women inferior, domestic slaves. More and more women are learning how to shoot their shot and they do. But if you're mad at the way things are, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 12:07 AM
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There is a really great saying that applies perfectly to this subject: If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail. How that applies is anyone who has had a number of sex partners is labeled promiscuous according to certain men. The hammer is a convolution of the word promiscuous and the nail is any woman who didn't marry as a virgin. The problem here is three-pronged. Antiquated language. The word promiscuous is largely misused by certain men to condemn the se…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 11:51 PM
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There's not much hope for your SATs but maybe some last minute tutoring can get you on the high end of below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 10:59 PM
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When you complete 12th grade, we'll talk about your understanding of psychology kiddo.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 10:50 PM
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Women approach all the time. There is an entire app now catering to it. Kick rocks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 10:33 PM
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Calling everything and everyone a narcissist for not centering your personal issues in their life is beyond ironic. It’s no one else’s problem how you decide to navigate and react to the world around you. Only you can be responsible for yourself. That doesn’t make me a narcissist. Your failure to do that makes you irresponsible and immature.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 10:31 PM
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That’s a personal defect and not others’ fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 07:35 PM
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The things women are doing men have always done. They’re not innocent. They go for a particular type of woman they think will meet all of their physical demands, hope she’s easy and malleable, and then they’re shocked when the heifa has no character and half a brain. She breaks their heart and leaves them bitter. They have always and continue to use people for sex and love hookup culture. Casual sex didn’t become mainstream because of women alone. Supply and demand - it takes two to tango. I do …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 05:42 PM
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This is valid. Women who do this are being unfair because those assessments are not always applicable. It also presumes they’re qualified to draw those conclusions and used to deflect for how they may be showing up in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 09:06 PM
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Kick rocks and invest in hooked on phonics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:08 PM
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No. It’s definitely vitriol and your personal opinion without a doubt. That’s about the only thing sexually repulsive here: your attitude. Have the day you deserve, special snowflake.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:09 PM
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Short and fat are not sexually repulsive. Your personal opinion is not fact. Those people find relationships on a regular basis. No amount of your or anyone else’s vitriol will change that. Next.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:36 PM
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This is bullshit. Men and women’s difficulties and struggles are compared in every other arena, often when men have it easier. That’s what a lot of feminism is built around. If you think men and women’s issues shouldn’t be compared, then why is there so much discourse centered around how women are performing in the job market in comparison to men (see the wage gap for example)? Are we talking about dating problems or are we talking about adulting? The last I checked, women are adults who are exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:06 AM
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Actually you just don't grasp my reasoning: You're trying to say, "this cantaloupe is worse than this honey dew melon." While I'm saying, "why the fuck would you compare a herd of elephants to a skyscraper?" Do you understand now? Skyscrapers have all sorts of real fucking problems. Elephants have all sorts of real fucking problems. I'm saying they're both extremely important and valid. Only a massive, brain dead idiot would try to compare elephants to skyscrapers. And the only reason said idiot…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:31 AM
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Your response was the definition of using too many words ... I'm never going to be apologetic for thoroughly speaking my mind. It's the perfect deterrent in most cases to ignorance and bird brain attention spans. My comment wasn't that you were verbose. It's that the use of "conscious" seemed redundant (not synonyms btw), and I was asking you to clarify. ​ Yes beauty and desirability are subjective and not entirely definable ... Tf is posternistic? I'm not "acting" like anything. I don't validat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 05:33 AM
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Came here to say the same. This is not gender specific advice. But it is great advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 03:19 AM
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You’re literally whining that an entire gender has it worse than another gender, and you want to throw in debate vernacular like the premise was ever valid or presented strongly, in good faith and with substance? GTFOH
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:39 AM
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I think most women consciously do not understand how her preferences are disconnected from her dating value. "Consciously do not understand" ... This seems like redundant word use unless you're insinuating that they willfully misunderstand or fail to acknowledge the correlation of their preferences and "dating value". I'm not entirely sure what you're even getting at here. I don't think anyone, not just women, are sitting around thinking about human beings in terms of poorly used business vernac…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:30 AM
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The only ones who have it worse are whining, pathetic, pitiful, POS who can’t get their lives together and likes to play oppression Olympics for fun in the PPD sub. I say it’s neither men nor women. But do you still insist that’s men??
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:22 AM
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No one has it worse. Not men and not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:58 AM
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I wish women would come clean already about the men who fall into the “top 20%” so the boys can stop crying about it. Y’all really have them convinced that they’re missing out. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:58 AM
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No they don't. Neither do women. I'm sure there's a therapist you and others who disagree can cry to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:47 AM
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Without qualifying the question with "of the men you know or have seen..." I'm not sure how anyone would even begin to provide an accurate or even near accurate answer to "what percentage of men" they're attracted to. They'd need to be exposed to all men to draw such a conclusion one way or another and no one here is. It's impossible. You are only exposed to those in proximity to you. What if the men in proximity to you are highly problematic - maybe you live in a retirement community. Or you li…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:44 AM
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Some people can't handle the fact that society is putting words to the complexities of humanity. He's stuck in the "I'm a boy, you're a girl" mentality. Anything that falls outside of that challenges the status quo, entices him to reconsider his own sexuality in a new context, and he's threatened by it. He's probably a demisexual, too. lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 12:28 AM
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Interesting points. My reaction ... This is really the difference between a man and a boy. There are a lot of boys here. I disagree with this point. Sex for sex is always a fair exchange for men and women as long as they are two consenting, respectful adults who fully understand and agree upon the motives and circumstances. It's a woman's job to manage what she has to lose. It shouldn't have to cost money to engage in consensual, casual sex. Don't conflate women with sex workers. This is an atte…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:46 PM
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Men and women's struggles in dating will never be equal. So what? Men face very different challenges than women face. For every problem you can list that a man is struggling with, there is a different struggle for women. That gets more complex the more you factor in different things about men and women like age, sex, education, income, child status, health status, etc. Since when did it become a competition? Men can't say they have it worse than women. Women can't say they have it worse than men…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 10:32 PM
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Again, why would you date a woman who is manipulating you? Why would you date a woman who is using you? Why are you dating women who don’t reciprocate? “Modern men” don’t seem too bright if they continually ALLOW these type of women in their lives. Why? Choose better.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 08:59 PM
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I agree. Simps are dude’s who sacrifice any shred of self respect and dignity for the attention of a woman, groveling for whatever he can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 08:57 PM
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Define simp. It used to have a very specific meaning and those men spark out fast because no one wants him. On this sub however, simp seems to mean "anyone who hasn't swallowed my pill, who has successfully secured a woman despite all of the impossible hardships and oppression from women that I believe men face."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:05 AM
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Why are you dating women who manipulate you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:56 AM
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To each his own. 😌😘 What really would have had an impact is an intelligent rebuttal. But we can’t all be great. 🫠
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:50 AM
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I believe you. Don’t stop speaking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:45 AM
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Thanks. I disagree that men can’t bring forth these topics. They can and they should… but it would actually take caring about women’s problems and not seeing women as problems because they can’t get them. I have yet to see guys who post here elevate past “she’s a whore because she won’t fuck me”. They can’t just objectively focus on the issue without disparaging a woman in the process. Some here almost had a point but then decided to be offensive to seal the deal. It’s the type of guys who like …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:41 AM
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Do you really like making up shit and arguing with yourself on it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:26 AM
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Yep, tired bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:20 AM
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You’re not talking about anyone. You’re trying to assert that this is some high demand of strange men when it’s not. That women are whores wanting gentlemen. If you’re that much of a gentleman, then why can’t you choose women like the other gentlemen do? Why do you keep ending up with whores and then coming here to lecture everyone like they’re the problem? “All modern women are the problem! And then you expect a good man.” Lol this shit is tired!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:17 AM
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What’s why? Any man just randomly doing these things for random women is an idiot. 😂 No one asked for this shit. And if you’re just giving it barely knowing a person then that’s on YOU. You do these things with people who are special to you and who you have a relationship with. Lol if they don’t meet your standards don’t date them. I’m sure they will find someone who loves them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:12 AM
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These are not things strangers should expect of one another, these are things partners/spouses agree on and give to one another. Why would you date someone you didn’t think was deserving of your level of etiquette? Again, these posts are about trying to dictate what all men should do and all women should do as if people agree with your original premise in the first place. No one cares what you find high quality in a mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:04 AM
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This is a great topic that falls into the "women's issues" category. Being problems that in my opinion are less about men and more about women's own faults. Some have already hit on some good points and here are some more. Some women are: sleeping with men when they don't really know their own bodies. If you can't get yourself off, why are you expecting others to know what makes you tick? dating guys who they are sexually intimidated by. It's untrue that women only fake it because the guy sucks …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 12:49 AM
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Ridiculing someone's body (fat), disparaging someone else's sex life (high body count), and criticizing the clothes a stranger wears are not even legitimate grievances. A grievance is about something that was done to you. None of these things have anything to do with you or men. They are none of your business, and they are all a matter of your opinion. Talking down on someone else's sex life, clothing choices and body because they chose another man and not you is in fact bashing them. Just like …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 10:10 PM
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You mistakenly compare feminism to patriarchy as if feminism is a synonym for matriarchy. It's not, which is why your theories about "the cycles of history" and attempt to compare feminism to the Roman Empire doesn't apply (aside from being problematic). Fairness and equality (feminism) are not about dominating shit. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:23 PM
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Having standards is not bashing or misogyny. But where exactly are the standards? When you get asked what you'll be having for dinner, you don't answer with what you don't like on the menu. When someone asks about your plans for the day, you don't answer with all the shit you absolutely hate doing. Neither of those things answer the question or get you results. It's literally just a warped way of airing your grievances about shit you don't like and in this case to the point of writing a campaign…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 10:00 AM
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It only affects you when you are enjoying your life the way you choose and a stranger comes along and decides they need to interject their hateful views about you, attempt to police your behavior, and set standards for what you and others should do/prefer all under the idea that your personal life negatively impacts them and other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:51 AM
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If patriarchy were that effective at stopping it, we wouldn't be having this conversation and it wouldn't be thriving. The idea that these archaic views of men / women are even a priority for humanity right now because the squeakiest wheels in this sub can't manage to get close enough to enjoy the scent of a vagina without imagining it in chains handed to them on a silver platter is laughable. We have far bigger and more daunting societal ills that will color men and women's experiences in the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:33 AM
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​ Of course that's true. You can value yourself how ever you want where did I oppose that? This is where you opposed it: "I'm only interested in dating market value and in that instance only the market can decide one's value." Markets don't decide anything, not in business, not in housing and not in dating. Virtual spaces / places don't make decisions. Markets don't even exist without people. The only person's opinion that matters about that person is their own, and then anyone's opinion about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:04 AM
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I'm eager to see legitimate grievances about women discussed as well. I'm skeptical that this audience and climate are conducive to it. Posters would be up against the sort of people who think this is a legitimate grievance: "Women who adult (have an education and a job) are low value and too masculine, grrrr! They need to learn how to bring feminine qualities like doing house chores to the table!" That this is a real POV is hard not to laugh about. The dating subs have more balanced views and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 08:00 AM
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Not sure why some need a constant reminder, but... Men will never have control and power over how another person values themselves or is valued by others no matter how influential they believe their shaming tactics to be. Women are embracing themselves because it was never healthy to allow someone else's standards to dictate whether they loved themselves. Has nothing to do with getting men. A person has to be weak enough to choose to allow your preferences to dictate how they value themselves. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 07:19 AM
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Gaining weight to avoid being seen by men is wild. I learned about the correlation between trauma and obesity in college. Imagine wanting to get away from being mistreated so badly that you're willing to risk your health to do it -- to not be seen. Not only does it speak to the mistreatment of women but the mistreatment of obese people as well. These women know that being fat puts a different target on their back, but they're willing to endure it because at least they're not being violated. (Obv…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 06:29 AM
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The post is literally about pickmes and simps. Pickmenniffer threw you off that much? Insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 10:55 PM
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Pointing out someone else’s inability to comprehend doesn’t validate you or your own poor comprehension, keyboard warrior. 😂 At least they had the decency to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:53 PM
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I think the general premise of the article is right. People who allow themselves to be brainwashed by polarizing, bandwagon thinking actually buy into the negativity and hatefulness that come with it. So yeah. They’re going to avoid “the other side” if they’re caught up in the bullshit. They will go so far as to post their political affiliation like it’s a personality trait or post against their opposition. They might even ask about it when getting to know others. Will this impact dating? No, no…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:48 PM
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And yet your own stupidity stopped you from detailing how you came to this conclusion and aren’t just talking shit as you seem to enjoy doing. You’re clearly a prime example of your own complaint.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:35 PM
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I literally answered the question. 🤣😂 If you understood what I wrote, it is clear as day in the first sentence of each paragraph. Pickmes get further than simps. There’s no “gotcha” to fear or that I couldn’t refute. Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 03:31 PM
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Yep, an unsubstantiated claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:42 AM
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The one thing I love about this sub is that it's not reflective of what's happening in the real world. (Thank God) It's reflective of what's happening to people who spend entirely too much time behind screens and are at a complete loss for how to navigate the world around them largely due to inexperience they can't seem rectify. Oh and romanticizing a past they don't understand. This is easily seen in a lot of the all men this and all women that arguments you see. People who successfully navigat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:34 AM
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I keep a small circle, like count on one hand small, and it's intentional. I don't like lots of people having access to me. I know I'm not for everyone, and most people are not my cup of tea. The people closest to me are like family. I've known them a lifetime. But I attract likeminded people, even in relationships. There are certain qualities to introverted and highly selective people that I simply find very, very attractive. Your number of friends does not dictate dating success, it dictates w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:24 AM
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There is far more of a dysfunctional reception for Pickmennifer than there is for a simp. Pickmennifer is just a modern day 1920s wife willing to muzzle, oppress and restrain herself for the clout of having any guy. Her validity as a woman comes from men. Her self esteem Satan's seat warmer. Many men, particularly many of those who struggle to connect with and keep women drool over this. It's very low effort and the perfect plug for their super fragile little egos. The simp is a one trick pony. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 06:05 AM
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You devalued women who demonstrate things that raise a man's social status such as being focused on a career and being educated. You claimed that when a woman bring's that to the table, it equates to net zero since the man already did this. Women who are educated and career focused are in fact feminine, some of them are deeply feminine. So your claims contradict themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 05:48 AM
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Educated, career (things that raise a man's social status) women are in fact very feminine... but you said that's net zero. You said that the man already did this. So this seems very contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 05:30 AM
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Look down on? That's the best you could do is twist the acknowledgment that what you're demanding is something an ignorant, impoverished woman is more likely to jump at than an educated, career woman that you deem too "masculine"? You're the one who made the claim that education and career is a man's territory and net zero for a woman. I simply expounded on YOUR point. Clearly a successful woman is not good enough for a "masculine" man since she apparently (According to you) competes with his ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 05:26 AM
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I hear this question very often. Men ask a woman what she brings to the table. It's a dumb question that immediately reflects on the man asking the question. It's a flashing red sign that any woman would be wise to immediately stand up and walk away from because anything after will in fact be an utter waste of her time and energy. Woman replies with the exact things that a man does to raise his social status. Because women, like men, have to survive. Women don't stay home with mommy and daddy be…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 05:10 AM
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Women would have more success as well. We also notice the higher quality elsewhere. Definitely a people issue in the States. It’s not just the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 01:11 AM
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There’s something to instant gratification also, which you started to touch on when talking about the disposability of dating culture, lack of investment and commitment. In everything, people want to put in the minimum effort for the maximum results. From their jobs, to their connections, to health, to reading content online. How dare anything be longer than 250 characters and it better change my life when I spend my 30 seconds on it!! The madness on top of that is the anger and frustration when…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:43 AM
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Heavy on the victim mentality. Had a whole convo with someone who didn’t understand the concept of self validation. To the point that he thought he could argue it’s existence. Sir, the sun is going to rise and set regardless of your capacity to comprehend it and the same goes for self validation. There are too many weak personas lurking in this sub and lashing out every blue moon like someone owes them something. And they act like you’re abusing them when you point out: you are your own problem.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:37 AM
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Woman here. Hate taking photos, always have and I’m constantly told I’m stunning. Photos are not a guy or gal thing. I don’t ascribe personality with photos any more or less than a man would a woman. I could tell you plenty about yourself based on your word choice alone. Does every post here have to be a gender war? Why do y’all do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:01 PM
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Men do not create the most good in society. Neither do women. It’s a really absurd assertion in itself — a wet dream. Women build all the time. We’re architects, carpenters, electricians, plumbers, mechanics, engineers, construction workers, police officers, etc. Just because men dominate and gatekeep these professions, does not make them exceptional at these jobs. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:37 AM
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Trying to redeem violence that is predominantly expressed by men by saying old people do it, other races do it, “but we build things” are all more red herring fallacies. We get it. You can’t stay on topic. And another thing about: “women need men to protect you.” Not only are men the biggest perpetrators of violence against women, they’re also the biggest perpetrators of violence against other men AND they’re scared of one another. Lol How are men going to protect women from men, when men fear m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:34 AM
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Their biggest threat is MEN. I don’t leave my house nervous at night that a woman is going to rape, rob, traffick, or assault me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:42 PM
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“I never claimed that was the case” You insinuated it by attaching “you’d be surprised…” to the point as if it matters. It’s irrelevant how many people have tons of friends but don’t have girlfriends. Not surprising at all. “but precisely that fact is what makes what you said here pointless for those people” It’s not pointless to build relationships with people to have a social life with. It’s not pointless to learn from others, learn with others, and learn about yourself through others. Friends…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 06:11 PM
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Yeah, pussies are usually attached to people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:32 PM
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Being a normal, decent, functioning human being does not entitle anyone to romantic attention. So no, I wouldn’t be surprised by that. Having friends doesn’t entitle you to a woman. NOTHING entitles you to a woman/romantic attention. Not one thing. This is a hard pill for too many to swallow. Having decent social skills does help you build a more rounded personality as not to terrorize every one that crosses your path.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:28 PM
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Friends provide plenty: a playing ground to build basic social skills. If you can’t even relate with a person in the simplest of ways, pussy isn’t magically going to make you charismatic. In fact, most pussy won’t let you near it if you can’t even get through “hi, how are you?”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:20 AM
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Friendships are good training wheels for severely socially inept people who consistently pour 100% of their self-worth and purpose in life into the Romantic Relationship basket. The desperation in them is so incredibly loud (and disturbing) it's obvious they struggle with interpersonal skills in general, have no friends, and put way too much hope in a woman coming along and solving deeper issues that are likely tied to relating poorly to others in general. IMO, 'start with friends' is solid advi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:07 AM
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You keep adding details into the mix. Before it was the presumption that self validation is about telling yourself positive things only: wrong. Now, the detail you've inserted is: if their experience with the outside world tells them the opposite. Self validation has little to do with the outside world, hence SELF. You know yourself better than anyone and therefore can and should affirm what you know about yourself. Yes, some things do involve considering the information and experiences that you…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:21 AM
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Wait, hold on ... you really think the truth about yourself exists outside of yourself either first or altogether? People give you permission to think what you think about yourself? You won't draw a conclusion about yourself unless someone else is able to "corroborate" it? Is that what you're asserting? Please say it aint so. Damn. That's fucking wild. Really???
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 06:41 AM
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But there isn’t an objective sense of humor. What the hell does that even mean? We all find different things funny. You can certainly find yourself funny. You don't require other people to find yourself funny. You don't require other people to laugh at something you've done because you found it funny. You don't require other people to find yourself attractive. It certainly doesn't make you delusional to conclude either thing about yourself. You also don't need people to explicitly state that you…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 06:27 AM
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Turning everything into a men versus women issue is fundamentally problematic. At the end of the day, we are all human. Sure, there are some things between us that stand apart, but you give way too much credit to gender as a control when largely much of what we know about it is social construct-based and therefore manmade. You know what it means to be funny. You know what it means to be a good person. But basically what you’re saying is that you don’t trust yourself to understand the definitions…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 05:46 AM
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You've conflated empathy with understanding /gaining insight. I do not believe that we shouldn't seek to understand one another. Seeking understanding alone is not the same as demanding someone empathizes with you, which is deeper than understanding. I don't need to share in your feelings or express emotional support to understand your situation. Your validation should start with yourself first. Anyone who is "lacking validation" has an obligation to first validate themselves. Otherwise you will…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 05:06 AM
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👏🏽 This is what owning your narrative looks like. Good for you. Also, I don’t think there’s anything to agree on. This is really a matter of: to each his/her own.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:00 AM
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Caring about opinions and feeling an obligation to act on opinions are two very, very different things. I care about my parents' opinions when I ask for them or when they are respectfully provided. However, my parents are aware of and respect my boundaries. They also understand that I am never obligated as a woman over the age of 18 to adhere to any opinion they have about any aspect of my life. My parents and I also share a high level of trust. It's not going against them to reject an opinion t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:44 AM
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I'll never understand the constant demand for "empathy" and the incessant seeking of external validation by some of the men in this sub. The irony is that it's the source of much of their anxiety and misery. Not only do they care too much about what other people think, on the flip side, they really think their views affect others in the same way (and that's only because other people's views stop their show). I'm also not convinced that it's actual empathy and compassion that many are after, sinc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:26 AM
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It takes zero emotional labor to respond to this nonsense. You’re dreaming if you think I’m anything other than occasionally chuckling at this shit. And again, you are not owed anything. That’s why this thread is so long. You couldn’t hear me the first 50 times.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 10:40 PM
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Lol omg, all of this. 😂
/r/ExRedPill11/11/23 10:38 PM
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In a heartbeat. College education is overrated and overvalued. I've met plenty of people who are far smarter than some of the privileged little shits that went to my university. The fact that they lack confidence and feel inferior to these people enrages me most days because they often are far more well-rounded, intelligent and capable. I actually work for someone who doesn't have a college degree, very influential and powerful person - one of the smartest people I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:53 PM
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Men, do you only care about sex? The post that prompted us to comment on sex went on and on about sex including: "I personally know a lot of guys who suffer from intense loneliness due to a lack of a romantic or sexual experience with women in their entire span of life." - This is the first paragraph. "They are neither self proclaimed nice guys nor misogynists and can you believe they're in their late twenties and never even got to experience a basic experience such as a kiss." "Suppose a guy, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:28 PM
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I feel like this should be a question for men. Hold your brethren accountable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:20 PM
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Whilst blatantly and hypocritically justifying emotional demands placed on men Emotional labor is gender neutral. I have maintained this since posting on this thread. It is neither a man's or woman's responsibility to show you emotional labor for your personal problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:02 PM
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Because it's demanded of us, every single day, whether we like it or not. That's what feminism does. Feminism doesn't need your emotional labor. Feminism is about fair treatment and equality. You don't have to give two shits about a person to treat them fairly. It demands that all men, at all times, consider only women. If you're angry about feminism, go back in history and blame the men who created the need for it. If we don't, we're "misogynists". Misogynists are people who hate women. If you …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:55 PM
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I have never once heard women complaining about other women being "emotional labour" Easy - because it's reciprocal. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:51 PM
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I'm not trying to say anything. I directly replied to you. What part of my reply was hard to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:36 PM
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I think this is about certain guys who date younger women and it has nothing to do with jealousy because once you realize who these guys are - you don't want shit to do with them to be jealous of them - lol. The only reason other women get dragged into this debate is because in order to "prefer" younger women, certain men who blab about their preference often must explicitly and loudly proclaim why any woman who does not fit within his desired age range is undesirable. It's one thing to have a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 07:29 PM
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The idea grew from some people's habitual failure to acknowledge the effort it takes to keep relationships together using, in part, various forms of emotional and psychological care. Emotional regulation is not about hypocrisy or being self-serving, it's about self preservation, maturity and emotional intelligence. It's about being selective and intentional about how you expend your energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 06:57 PM
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No, it's not manipulative word gaming. It costs time and energy to express emotions for others. Period. Not sure why so many of you struggle with this fact. I'm not suggesting that someone must pay for emotional labor. But the very least you can do is recognize that it takes time and energy from people versus demanding it as if it is owed to you. And the very least you can do is qualify your demand: for what? People have personal issues all the time and never see an ounce of empathy. Homelessnes…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 06:21 PM
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These are some excellent and thoughtful replies.
/r/ExRedPill11/11/23 04:35 PM
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Questions are not assumptions. And a lot of you love to say: "I never said that" as if a person is only ever allowed to reply by mirroring you. You don't have to say a thing first for the response to be valid. It was never productive, just a piss poor attempt at defending your buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 04:11 PM
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From what I've seen in these situations, women have leveraged what they've learned about people not believing women in sexual assault and domestic violence situations to get away with their abuse against men. I think they use the "men are stronger than women" cultural belief system propped up by patriarchy to get away with these crimes. Who's going to believe they could do such a thing? And they take pages out of the books of men who get away with it, except reverse uno. There's obviously a disp…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 04:00 PM
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Who exactly is begging for emotional labor? The entire post is asking women for empathy. If you feel personally offended Not offended at all. I joined the discussion and you've inserted yourself in my response, made up bullshit about what I think, feel, and know, and then argued with yourself about it. Lol you're a legendary strawman. It’s really starting to seem that’s the only reason you’re here. It's none of your business why I'm here and you can't do anything about it. So if that's it, move …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:42 PM
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Expressing emotions costs energy. This is not a difficult truth to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:32 PM
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After you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:31 PM
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Um, no. You did. Never said "drop everything and cater to men." You used men and women as generalities and We all use men and women as generalities. Lol Sure. And I’m free to criticize your choice and the way you go about it. That was never in dispute captain obvious. You can keep stating that you don’t owe anyone anything It's a great reminder. don’t expect praise or acknowledgement for doing the bare minimum. No one here has anything I want. I'm not the one begging for the emotional labor of o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:27 PM
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🥱
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:19 PM
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Emotional labor is gender neutral regardless of what *you're* hearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:18 PM
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No one is owed empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:17 PM
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If it were an "automatic response" and not a choice, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:13 PM
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Slinging around terms like 'misandrist' because you're incapable of putting together an articulate rebuttal is far from accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:10 PM
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Emotional labor is gender neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:08 PM
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Men are some of the biggest misandrists. 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:06 PM
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It took a stranger on Reddit to teach you that the expression of emotion costs energy and is therefore unpaid emotional labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:06 PM
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...all women are supposed to drop everything and cater to men, that’s a ridiculous strawman Yes, it is and you just introduced it. If you actually don’t have time or emotional labor to give, then you’re free to leave. I'm free to do as I please. Expend my energy in the way that I choose. I have no obligation to anything other than what I want. And I don't owe you or anyone here a damn thing. ...seeing people complain Not a complaint. A perspective and question. For what? What does begging others…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 03:03 PM
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What will women’s empathy do for you? Spread their legs, put a virgin in your lap, cure your inner problems? What do people get for the emotional labor they expend? There are 100s of guys with this gripe. So women are now obligated to stop and what? Give you a memorial because you can’t seem to consummate a relationship with a woman? The end goal here isn’t empathy. I mean, I’m not surprised by single guys demanding the emotional labor of women. We all loved when mom made us the center of her ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 01:29 PM
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No. Now it doesn’t not mean that. People are going to use words erroneously to insult. Deal with the problem when it occurs to you rather than projecting that it happens to everyone all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 10:16 AM
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Incel, originally invcel, was created by incels. Lol this idea that society ostracized them that way is revisionist history. It is self-proclaimed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 10:36 PM
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Lol Wait some guy is trying to apply the Pareto principle to dating? The 80/20 rule lol, that’s the Pareto principle. “The Pareto principle states that for many outcomes, roughly 80% of consequences come from 20% of causes…” it’s a prioritization principle. It’s about what you do and focus on doing as a person. It’s used in business for time and workload management. It’s about efficiency. Ya know: Don’t try to boil the ocean because it’s a waste of time. I’m not seeing how this has anything to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/23 03:36 PM
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I never know where I’m going to wake up in the morning. I warn my guy that the blanket loves me more and I can’t help that, and I don’t know how I ended up on his side of the bed. These are the rules. 🤷🏽‍♀️ Pillow fights are not uncommon in my bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 11:48 PM
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I don’t have a problem with people acknowledging that they feel oppressed. Vent, let it out! The shit sucks. My issue is with the fuckers who have built million dollar homes in Victimhood, capital of Oppression Nation and refuse to sell no matter how big the upside in doing so. The world would be a better place without them. It gets us no where to glorify victim mentalities. There is literally no benefit to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 11:26 PM
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This fails to account for self-proclaimed incels who seek one another out, promote and parrot an ideology rooted in misogyny and victimhood, and deliberately proselytize other impressionable young men to jump on the victim-bandwagon (join their community). They take pride in their sub-culture from what I’ve seen and have little desire to actually graduate from that sad identity… well they’ll swear otherwise but it’s usually hot air.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 11:08 PM
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Often women who struggle to find men that treat them well and meet their needs, don’t know what it’s like to be treated well, are blind to it when it does happen, and don’t meet their own needs. They have poor self-management skills and poor interpersonal skills. So they do date men who are “good” (so subjective) and are disappointed when things go wrong and immediately go to blaming versus personal accountability which I harp on a lot but it’s facts. They didn’t set boundaries, didn’t know how …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 10:10 PM
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MSM has conditioned most people, women included that domestic labor is something women naturally love and are best at while conditioning men of the exact opposite: they don’t like it and aren’t inclined to it. It’s all a social construct. Claiming women don’t like cleaning or rather insinuating it’s likable/natural to them is rooted in indoctrination. If given the option of doing something pleasurable, exciting, fun and cleaning a damn house 95% of people regardless their gender are going to cho…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 08:42 PM
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And yet you did. 🫠
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 02:21 PM
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Thanks, and well said. I agree - it’s definitely a balancing act. The I is benched (not abandoned) to build, fortify and empower the us.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 06:17 AM
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And I believe you would stoop to that and lower. I have my shovel handy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 05:25 AM
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Good question, I had to noodle on this a bit. I personally believe it’s unreasonable to expect men (and women) to have fully shed old views about gender roles as we are in an actively transformative period in more ways than one. “Moderately traditional” looks like a meeting of minds, both of us having done work to reject obviously toxic stances, and holding a growth mindset that can handle open discussion rooted in deconstructing old ways and cocreating what works for the two of us. There are so…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 05:25 AM
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So does falsely identifying belief systems in an attempt to submit a relevant point. Just not on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 05:11 AM
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The last thing I'll say down this vein of thinking is this: Dominance is not about being powerful and submission being powerless -- that is the artificial premise. We dangerously couple that artificial premise to masculinity (dominance) and femininity (submission) and then man (dominant) and woman (submissive). Dominance and submission is about how one wields power. For example: People often miss the glaring fact that a submissive person must hold power in order to submit it. What's wild is this…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 04:48 AM
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Lol, that's fair. If I were going off of anecdotal and traditional thinking alone, I would agree. But over the past couple of years the spiritual work I've done led me down a path of learning about feminine and masculine energy. I begin following related content/research - it's the reason I said earlier, "It's the recognition of a nuance in humans that religion and politics refused to honor in the past." We've largely been indoctrinated to think about women and men in a certain light and the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 04:14 AM
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Not a minority of women nor niche communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 04:00 AM
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That's not true at all. Haha! I'm going to keep my lips mostly sealed on this except to say there are definitely women who thoroughly enjoy and seek out submissive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 03:50 AM
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Day-to-day relationship stuff? As close to zero percent as possible barring major life events. Not just friends, family as well. I expect the same from him - an independent and secure thinker who lives his life on his own terms, not constantly being swayed by public opinion, seeking their approval or getting their permission. I'm not into "political" behavior, so I'm not going to operate in a relationship where I have to constantly be worried about pack mentality and being on the right bandwagon…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 03:43 AM
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Submissive, feminine woman / dominant, masculine man - so we're talking about antiquated ideals of men and women? Because I know plenty of dominant, feminine women and submissive, masculine men. What are the gender roles of 2023? Based on traditional views of man/woman in straight people, I'd say it's equal. But the opposite is not being accounted for and is the source of much friction. Some women lean into dominant energy to survive when she needs to adult for herself. Some men are definitely n…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 12:09 AM
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​ where did I say it is? I don't care where you said it. You clearly don't understand it. who says they didn't do the same or similar They say it! btw is make-up also a part of your humanitarian work? Is licking walls yours? so nothing new, venting is not productive more news at 11 I'm not here to provide you with something new / news. Tf? Lol AND?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 11:04 PM
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Happy to waste your time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 10:59 PM
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I agree. I am not a fan of the policing of other people's language (barring hate). However, that goes both ways. If people want to say partner, let them. At the same time, don't tell me how to refer to my husband/boyfriend. I'm of the belief that you treat each person how they want to be treated versus trying to dictate broad-sweeping rules for the masses. Just because one person likes or prefers something doesn't mean another will or has to. Same debate comes up for "cis" - people need to reali…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 10:40 PM
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​ "If you're failing, it's your fault and your fault alone." Nice work. You're an adult. This is how being an adult works. You have full and total control of your life. So yes, if you're failing, it is your fault alone. Personal accountability is a powerful thing. Nobody wants to admit Most people have experienced drawing the short stick at one point or another and sometimes repeatedly. Why do you think that gives you a pass to lash out at the world, blame others, and demand that I prioritize yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 06:50 PM
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the thing you don't understand You've mixed up not understanding with not obligated to care and not responsible. I understand, but the thing you don't seem to understand is that it is no one else's job to solve their personal problems. Just because they've grouped themselves with others who share in their experience, does not mean they have a right to demand that strangers resolve their personal issues. is that there are a lot of men who have done the same work as you yet didn't have a single op…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 06:20 PM
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I'm glad you're amused at a simple fact. Before women were conditioned and taught that they should marry and have children less they be deemed worthless. Today, women have the freedom to design their own vision for their lives, which can be child- and man-free if they choose. No one is burning them at the stake.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 06:26 AM
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Eeesh... and that's not even the half of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 06:23 AM
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All the text above this was basically "I can't relate to people who have different experiences... It wasn't actually. All of my text was: There are many on this site with learning disabilities and disturbing mental health issues who lash out and project their issues onto other people. They push tired, baseless, and hate-filled narratives as if no other form of life exists outside of their self-limiting beliefs and experiences, which are often void of any lived experienced or historical context. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 06:07 AM
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I believe you. I’ve seen it. You’re right.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 04:48 AM
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American culture is definitely toxic. Not mad at this take at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 04:48 AM
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Damn! Wow, I’m sorry to hear the damaging part. But I also find it fascinating that you’ve been here since you were 12. My age on this account is actually my true time here. I’m super new to Reddit - probably lends itself to my attachment to it from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 04:15 AM
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You’ve been here 11 years… no wonder you’re sick of this place.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 04:03 AM
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Great way to pass time when your internet is down and you’re sore from painting a 2200 sqft house. 🥳
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 04:02 AM
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I sure do. I come and go in spurts. Scary for what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 03:56 AM
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Sure thing :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 03:54 AM
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It underscores what I noticed happening at the onset of the social media era: a dismantling of the old ways men and women related. Being here just animated the kicking and screaming people are doing because they don’t know how to change and create something better for their lives. They have a death grip on the past, hatred for the opposite sex, high school bullshit thinking, and wet dreams about arbitrary rules they pray others lose sleep over. (Like just because you’re obsessed with a wall does…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 03:51 AM
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It’s easier to break that cycle when you want you and you care about you. Placing something that powerful (self love) in other people’s hands is what is ruining people and leading to the high depression and suicide rates. Self love is underrated. Only we can bring love and happiness into our world. Seeking it in other people is a pitfall. It’s a very dark and lonely place.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 02:54 AM
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I’m not talking about getting girls. I’m talking about living a healthy life. This isn’t an appeal to tell men that they need to be better people so they can get girls. Fuck getting girls if his life is shit. No one cares. Men should want to be better people for THEMSELVES. Having a girl but being a horrible person with a horrible life isn’t going to make a guy feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 02:19 AM
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In high school settings, folks figure it out by just asking around. It’s not that easy to keep secrets in that kind of environment. So if you’ve gone to the same school and grown up with the same folks, they’re likely gonna know.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 01:42 AM
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Everyone who has been triggered by that comment missed the operative word: “excessive.” Excessive use of anything will result in an imbalance in your life. You don’t have to get it for it to be true. As a gamer, I am well aware of other gamers who can manage the hobby without allowing it to destroy their lives and turn them into socially inept weirdos. That’s clearly not who I’m talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 01:32 AM
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I don’t know that person from Adam. I was using “you” in a general sense. As in, if you go to the store at night, you will be in danger. It was not a personal attack. I didn’t attempt anything. I am aware of the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 01:21 AM
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“Like what for example?” If you don’t know what toxic views are - a very basic notion, I’m definitely not contributing to the further convolution of this petty back and forth by introducing an example for you to sink your teeth into. The point was simple. Discuss desires with the woman on the front end and enjoy your date. And you’re throwing a fit over it and insisting on labeling people who have men pay for their dinner trash. Plenty of men enjoy treating women. What does that make them? Some …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:39 PM
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“It's not toxic to treat women like adults.” It is toxic to hold toxic views about women. “The fact that she doesn't question her culture and customs makes her kinda trash.” You can disagree with someone’s culture without personally attacking someone. Lol the “adult” thing to do. People are not required to abandon their belief systems to appease you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:32 PM
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“The difference is I'm not entitled, therefore I don't expect anyone to buy me stuff just because of my gender.” Again, concluding things with no evidence. Just your toxic views about women. “If I say women have to pay for my food otherwise I won't see them again, you can definitely tell I'm a trash person who wants to use women for free food.” That wasn’t the scenario. The scenario is painting anyone with the expectation as trash even if she may be engaging in her own culture/customs “Exactly, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:24 PM
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“I definitely can.“ I can conclude bullshit about you too. Doesn’t make me right about who you are as a person or your motives. “This just means she wants the man to work and cater to her while she stays at home.” Traditional roles: Man courts woman. Man provides and handles heavy duty house upkeep. Woman manages domestic labor and child bearing/rearing. “Not really. I'm actually weeding out the entitled women who just follow the "traditional" script like npcs in a video game.” There are plenty …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 11:18 PM
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I believe it’s dangerous to date a man who earns less than you if his earning less is the result of his inadequacy and failures in life. The odds of him growing jealous and resentful due to his extreme lack is very high. Never surround yourself with people like this. More likely than not they will work to tear you down to their level. They can’t get over their own failures. I naively dated a guy like this and I was ready to take him out by the end of the relationship because I couldn’t figure ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 10:55 PM
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I advocate for personal responsibility for all humans. I’m not bent on men vs women like many of the incels that frequent this sub. Would love some real debates about women here but much of it is hatefilled bullshit about why women won’t mommy grown ass men anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:50 PM
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They actually have and that is a poor attempt at a debunk that has failed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:48 PM
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Some. Who cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:48 PM
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Men have challenges that women don’t and vice versa. Harder is in your head and extremely subjective. I love video games. I get the escapism. But allowing it to destroy your life is like taking drugs and trying to blame everyone else for your failures.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:47 PM
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You can’t determine anyone’s nature based on their expectations about whether a man pays on a first date. She may also have the subsequent expectations of serving a traditional role to that man as the relationship grows serious, which largely benefits him if he can provide which is the only thing that makes it worth it for her. So his behavior of paying would fall in line with the kind of home life she ultimately wants and he may ultimately want as well. So you might be shooting yourself in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 09:14 PM
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How big is that bald spot in the top of your head? Multiply that by how limp your pole is and then you’ll have your answer. 😃
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 08:30 PM
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Excuse me? Then be broke, fat, ugly, a spiritual waste, a detriment to your community, sick, dumb, ignorant, of no use, with a shithole home. Lol! TF you mean sell social better? I was describing what average adults (men and women) already do to sustain themselves regardless if they have a vagina or a penis. If someone has to sell being a grown ass, responsible, and mature human being you have a lot of problems that have shit to do with women. lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 08:24 PM
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It’s not homophobia. It actually supports my point in more ways than one. Explains so much suddenly. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 07:24 PM
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It's not one over the other. Again, no where does the statement say all women. And you're a fool to think all women are ugly, autistic and get passed over. That's bullshit. Many women are happy single. Yes there are femcels - women (like men) who struggle to function socially and the world is awful to them. I don't feel sorry for men and women like this. It's proven that they thrive on their own victim mentalities and create those realities for themselves. It's always everyone else's fault. Some…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 07:20 PM
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Do you also cry slavery when you're living single and have to do cooking and cleaning for yourself without getting paid? Helping you understand that your mommy didn't derive joy and pay from wiping your snot and waiting on you hand and foot your whole life is not crying slavery. It's reality. Are you really trying to compare taking care of yourself to taking care of yourself AND having a man boss a woman around to cook and clean for him all day in addition to the demands and needs of multiple ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 07:15 PM
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Why lie? “I don’t want to fuck you right now.” Or whatever the truth is… say it. Address and resolve the conflict. It has always bothered me hearing about women who went in “loving” sex (often fake) and then not even half way through the relationship, just going months and years denying it altogether with no explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:49 PM
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I mean this coming from someone who’s probably never even smelled a vagina isn't really the bang you think it is. 🤷🏽‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:43 PM
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Here's the problem: boys and pickmes like to blame women when women are victimized by toxic men. Also, "exclusively" and "vast majority" is strong language. Why can't people here accept that men and women are not a monolith and there are many types of men and many types of women? Lol. Women who date toxic men do it for a number of reasons: Ignorance / lack of discernment: they are too stupid, young, or inexperienced to know better. When you see men saying they prefer women who are younger, it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:38 PM
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Women are also more likely to want to marry in the first place, so? Men just care about being with you and sex. Un hunh. Clearly when one point doesn't stick you introduce new bullshit and even that is losing. Lol ​ So you admit that if you remove the male variable women do worse because ???? This is another example of your lackluster reasoning skills. Nauseating at this point. Anyway, this was fun. Read a little, might help.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:26 PM
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...eager to please them Spend their money.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:21 PM
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I am not claiming such thing about women, you are just debating a post in your imagination, which proves my point of neuroticism. I'm debating and replying to you. You're barely qualified to reason let alone think you can diagnose anyone. ​ Men already manage finances ... You asked the question as if you were oblivious to what else is involved in life besides video games, so I helped you. It wasn't an opening for you to talk about what you think men do better than women. ​ You have not proven it…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:21 PM
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You know domestic slavery and subjugation aren't inherent to relationships? Of course not. What gave you that idea? They were inherent to the basis of many relationships pre-Women's Movement. They are foundational to the structure of traditional relationships. That's what I was talking about. What exactly are you talking about? ​ Even if they are to straight relationships, why are straight women more in relationships than anyone else? (Also lol at comparing household chores to fucking slavery). …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:12 PM
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Women find violent men more attractive, those that can beat you to death, so it seems misogyny has nothing to do with sexual attraction as you claim in your delusional revenge fantasy. I don't get why the state spend other men's money and resources on rescuing women from their own bad choices and bastards... I'd rather let them to rot. We've already established your deep, obsessive hatred for women. It oozes from everything you write even when your entire subject is about men. It doesn't hurt me…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:05 PM
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almost pointless saying this, because you know this is wrong You don't know me to tell me anything about what I know or don't know. Stay in your lane. ​ there are many that aren't and a lot of people who are depressed over "feeling invisible" throughout their lives. Doesn't change the fact that studies have found women are happy single. If you want to insert the word "all" in that statement, then you can argue with yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 06:02 PM
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Married people being happier does not mean that single women are not happy. It also doesn't change the fact that unhappy women are more likely to initiate divorce than men. Some lesbian marriages falling apart is not an indictment of all lesbian marriage, relations between women and it does not mean that women cause most conflict in partnerships. That's just your misogyny showing. What it does show is that you have a deep and embarrassing flaw in the way you reason, you love conflating details, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:59 PM
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Thank you. The name captures my essence, I don't need to live up to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:55 PM
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​ Women have higher levels of neuroticism... Fact: Men have used a false fear tactic that women will die alone with cats if they don't settle with men. Fact: Men are lonely with no cats. ​ What other aspects of life? If you are not married nor have many friends, video games are not taking you time from such activities. A job or career. Your community. Your friends. Your parents and siblings and their children. Making friends. Volunteering. Religious / spiritual pursuits. Your nutrition and physi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:54 PM
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Exactly this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 05:19 PM
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Straight women reporting mental illness is not single women reporting mental illness. Single women are happier because domestic slavery and subjugation is not desirable. Hence the majority of divorces from exactly that are initiated by women. Freeing yourself from the domination and abuse of a man that demands you work and do much of the household work while satisfying him sounds pretty happy to me tbh. “Why is it sad when men are old with no partner and no kids but empowering when it's women?” …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:48 PM
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Good. The other men who have figured it out will continue to procreate and those of you who think it’s rocket science because you’ve welded yourselves to 1940 can go extinct. Great solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:43 PM
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“I hope you get the irony of this. You see men going their own ways with their own hobbies as bad, but positive women going their own way. That is not very consistent.” It’s not intended to be consistent. Your argument is disingenuous. Abusing a hobby by engaging in it in excess and to the detriment of other aspects of your life is not the equivalent of gaining your freedom from the subjugation of the opposite sex. Lol “That is how old men always marry quickly after wife dies.” Not always actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:40 PM
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Men were not “as” lonely in the past because the nuclear family was still respected and pursued. What’s impacting men falls into multiple categories and impacts women too, just differently: Online dating and social media is largely supplemental to hook up culture and has made establishing real relationships ironically more difficult. The way men are expected to interact with woman shifted in a big way after the #MeToo movement, which exposed a lot of inappropriate interactions, including abuse, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/23 04:07 PM
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What is sw?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:57 PM
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You hate women. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:39 PM
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Oppose what?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:39 PM
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It really is the least experienced and most rejected who are the loudest and whiniest. The issues they cry about are usually only present when the person complaining hasn’t done the work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:12 PM
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And you’re proving males don’t either.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:09 PM
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Women are sexual human beings just like men. Women have sexual needs just like men. Women are NOT required to bar themselves from sex until married unless they choose to adhere to some religious standard. Having sex is not immoral. So why should a woman limit herself any differently than a man would?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:08 PM
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I didn’t read that as cheating. I read that as her having the audacity to have sexual history beyond being “pure” or only having two sex partners. Key words “In the past”. How dare she?!? 😱
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:03 PM
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The irony…. “wOmEn”. 😂 Correction: PEOPLE uphold toxic gender norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:00 PM
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So what?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 07:59 PM
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What does this have to do with cheaters?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 10:54 PM
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Men punish one another all the time just like they train one another how to be toxic and follow bro code. You can learn and unlearn behavior. Perfect example: the military. Men need to get men together.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 10:53 PM
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When Chad and Tyrone engages in casual sex - no effect. When Becky and Elaine engage in casual sex, they're wholes who should be looked down on, seen as less than, and deemed prostitutes. Yep, the only problem here is the childish logic. It demonstrates an inability to understand women's bodies or respect their bodily autonomy in the same way that you would respect a man's. "Seeing an escorts is more dignifying then finding out your wife" At this point, likeminded men who believe in this circle-…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 04:21 AM
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Karens are raging and entitled racists who are accustomed to throwing their weight around and leveraging authority figures, other white people, and systems to get their way. People like to think this word applies to anyone, because people love hijacking language and repurposing it for things it was never intended to describe. I do agree with you to some extent about the #metoo movement, which seemed to usher in cancel culture if not create it altogether. Cancel culture is something I absolutely …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 04:09 AM
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I'm hearing from a lot of women that men need to go to therapy TO cry, not the other way around. Perhaps these ideals of machoism are coming from other men / the media, more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 03:58 AM
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Sure at one point. But to assert that as a constant way of life until now would be false. We live in a patriarchy. Men became free to own property, take jobs and be independent and most women unless from wealth or royalty had to depend on men to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 03:05 AM
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I'm definitely aware of your poor reasoning skills. Thanks for putting them on display. Luckily, my paying men a fair wage to do the domestic labor around my house doesn't impact women. What does impact women is thinking that because you have a penis you're entitled to more than her and are some how superior. That's actually how the gender pay gap works since you're so desperately concerned. Might help to know that little tidbit.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 09:44 PM
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Women don't need men, just like men don't need women. We are both now able to live self-sufficient lives. I'm not sure why that makes your ego ache so much. Seems like a win to me. Both can work toward bettering one another's lives in more fulfilling ways. I don't know about you, but I don't want to be with someone who's with me because he "needs" me. Sounds codependent, clingy and leechy. I'd rather know I was with a man who was there because he wanted to be. But hey! Some of us need hostages t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 09:39 PM
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Women were not typically paid a salary to work and often were not independent. The work they did around the home/farm was "expected" of them. They were not compensated nor recognized for it. Working for free doing something people think you should just do because you're a woman, is not the same as being paid a living wage to do work that is respected and appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 09:13 PM
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You've provided a pretty accurate summary of the past. What's missing is what men didn't bring to the table then because women were not in a position to demand it. It's something that would make them stand out from the crowd, and be of more value not only in a relationship but to themselves and their communities. Everything you mentioned was focused on material gain. A woman had a roof over her head, was clothed, sheltered, fed and generally taken care of by men. But what about the power dynamic…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 09:10 PM
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Are you kidding me? Women are home alone with their cats! They're going to die alone! They're going to be miserable! Who's going to build you fksijfino?! Who are you going to cook, clean, and fawn over?! You have no worth without a man! You need men to skijfl;h;u;sbf!! Those degrees wont keep you warm at night (even though they pay for your heat in that big beautiful home you bought yourself)! RAAAAWR! Lol, the kicking, whining and screaming in the comments is amusing. Many of us have totally mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:20 PM
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You do realize that each human being is made up of feminine and masculine energy, right? So it's not an insult to call a woman masculine. How do you think a woman has the superhuman strength to lift a car off her baby if needed? Natural protective instincts. Strength, power, careers are not male. Lmao It's also not masculine or feminine to be able to provide for oneself. It's called, adulting. You should try it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:13 PM
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Exactly, they’re looking for a therapist and emotional labor from strangers because you have personal issues. Stop using the internet for therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:32 PM
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That response is a mature adult response. Objective and direct. You are a grown ass man. That means you have to take responsibility for your life. It is not everyone else’s responsibility to coddle you or make you feel good about the difficulties that you are going through. I come across this sentiment on this platform so much and it is so jarring to me. Usually from males. No other platform do I come across men who seem incredibly fragile and desperate for every interaction they have to be in s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 07:37 AM
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Refusal to put in work to be better human beings. Feeling extremely entitled to women they can subjugate. Loss of power and positioning in a patriarchy that was supposed to serve them but now only serves the most powerful and wealthy. But they are clutching to it and trying to breathe life into it's corpse like there is no tomorrow. 1,2,3,4 - she WILL cook and clean after me - 1,2,3,4 - she will let me lead, to where I have no clue, but she will follow me dammit - 1,2,3,4, she will do all of the…
/r/ExRedPill02/11/23 06:31 AM
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I believe it's because they see those women as used, worthless, and tainted. It's a last resort when they can't get what they want, how they want it - an empty power play. They do it out of desperation, an inability to control urges, being socially inept or otherwise ostracized, lack of confidence and shame, strange, disturbing or depraved sexual proclivities. When it's not some guy having fun, I'd bet many men who use prostitutes have a lot of pent up rage and resentment toward women and societ…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:54 AM
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Some people retreat after bad experiences, sure. And they should expect to suffer the consequences not walk around asking for some magic pill to get friends without facing rejection like the rest of us. The people who are looking to build relationships should have some expectation that they’re going to go through bad experiences until they find people who are like them or like them. It is entirely unrealistic to go into social settings and think you will always be accepted, regardless if you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:59 AM
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So you want us to believe a college educated woman making about $90K a year, who knows she’s “greedy like that,” made it all the way to an engagement with a guy making $24K a year and now suddenly decides she doesn’t want to get married for reasons that were evident the entire time you were with him? I’m not even going to call this a troll post, I’m questioning your alledged collegiate grade point average at this point and the employer paying you that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:12 AM
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If he has to be told why, there are some serious issues there. 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 03:04 AM
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She's right. Many who complain are not putting in the effort. They stay confined in their homes, they don't work on themselves, they are not consistent, they lack self awareness, and they struggle terribly because of it. That is why they had social circles younger and failed to maintain those relationships or forge new ones as they grew older.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:51 AM
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The idea that it's magic is the problem. You didn't magically generate friends before your twenties. You left your house and entered into settings with other people to learn how to socialize, make friends and be around others. If you decide not to put in that effort, if you need your hand held, if you need a forced social setting, if you have to be put into groups and given homework in order to meet others and build relationships with them, then did you ever really grow up? Did you learn anythin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 02:48 AM
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There's no straightforward answer to that question. Without getting verbose, I'll share this: Outside of the home, you learn to cooperate, mask, and avoid triggering people stuck on antiquated, distracting belief systems. They're largely a waste of time. You do what you need to do to get by - play along. In the home, there is a shared vision. When we're out of alignment a lot of thought and deliberation go into weighing options to arrive on a solution that moves us closer to the bigger vision. D…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 01:06 AM
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Egalitarian... nah. They hold various views and some of those views are anti-equality. We are not collectivists in our views. They believe what they want, individually.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 12:43 AM
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100% - It influences every aspect of my life and how I navigate the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 12:36 AM
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I firmly reject the concept of authority. And I say this as someone who successfully leads teams and is a matriarch of my family. I am able to be highly influential without the use of archaic notions of power like “authority”. People deeply respect this. I find the entire establishment from day one extremely problematic, broken, and anti-human.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 12:26 AM
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I truly feel sorry for people who can’t enjoy and find happiness in their own company, by themselves. Through all their sulking and misery about being alone, they miss the greater point - that they’re not. They’re often not that great to be around either because they tend to be codependent or suck the life out of partners because they place too much weight and responsibility on romantic partners to make them feel better about themselves and their lives. Learning to be happy alone is something ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 11:41 PM
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Having "woke up" to the reality of politics, I have been very intentional about deconstructing the role that politics have played in shaping my beliefs about sex and gender. (It's easier said than done, but I'm doing the work.) With that in mind, I'd describe myself as anti-establishment. It influences my views in that I can quickly identify and predict the entire blueprint of thinking of people who are sucked into left/right politics, and I wouldn't date either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 10:44 PM
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Why wouldn't someone with autism date within their community? There are plenty of other men and women with autism. There are also people without autism who serve this demographic, tend to understand the condition and be more sympathetic to it. Suggestion: Identify spaces for people with similar struggles and join them. They are seeking solutions to these same problems and have already determined resources and answers to the things you face.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 10:34 PM
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Who told you marriage was her goal?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:27 AM
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It's not that n-count does nothing for Mary. It's that every other negative factor piled on her drags her so far down n-count no longer matters. What an interesting argument. Logic would serve that every positive factor about Daphne would make her BC obsolete. ​ You're doing a bait-and-switch by assuming that n-count is the only thing that matters to its proponents I'm not the one who emphasizes it or makes a point to use it to judge a person within the initial stages of knowing him/her. Seems w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:26 AM
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​ It's not magic that women with low body count are more selective and discerning than others. You just have the causality backwards. They're not more selective. You've just decided to attach characteristics to a number that once stated you decide to believe about the person. ​ Low body count doesn't make a woman more selective and discerning. Being selective and discerning causes a woman to have a lower body count. Being selective and discerning does not cause anything. Collectors are selective…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 07:10 AM
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​ Yes and the point I made is that women have more and easier access to sex than men do. A point that was already made by OP. And the response I delivered which you felt the need refute is they're not options. That's the problem with your approach. You're focusing on the more minor events and in the process painting a more dire experience than what the lived reality is. Sexual assault and the culture that leads to it is not a minor event. And if you're going to tell a woman that everyone wants t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 05:17 PM
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Sure it does, as the disingenuous argument they typically use it for. The entire reason that OP used it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 02:00 PM
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I don't think you even realise how you're coming off. This demands caring what you think about me. Unlike many who frequent social media, I didn't come here for validation. ​ Please re-read who it is that you are responding to. No where in my comment did I suggest it was a flex. You didn't. But you did come here confused about my original point, which was pointing out to OP that it is not a flex. ​ Really? Are these the only experiences that women have? If the driving force is sex for men (the c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 06:18 AM
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Im not understanding the last point. It's just a fact that men are more open to sleeping with women than the opposite. What men require from women is lower generally. Clarification: Men are more interested in sex than women. It has nothing to do with being "open," having "requirements," or the woman. Men are more interested in sex. ​ There is no fault that should be ascribed. It's just a case of what is. No fault was ascribed. I simply pointed out that it's not a flex. Stop trying to present it …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 04:13 AM
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"Why?" - The paragraph clearly explains why. "Sounds like a good thing. The fact that men don't really care about the details" - Bestiality, pedophilia, rape, incest are not good things and is what happens when men don’t care about “details”. "...are attracted to most women..." - Many men brag about not needing attraction to have sex. "every right and positive thing women and civilization have." - Hyperbole. "Too bad. You got it" - And you'll get rejection as a result. Tf? "And that is a great t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 12:41 AM
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Sure, some women. But this doesn't remove her responsibility to manage sexual expectations with her partner. If anything, she has more of a responsibility to speak up. It's illogical to give sex to him daily while dating and then expect him to accept once a month because they're in a relationship and "this is how it's supposed to go". For her maybe, not for everyone. If a woman knows that she's the type who only likes sex when she's dating, then she needs to make sure he's aware of that. Otherwi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:15 PM
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"Obviously casual sex and prostitution are not completely symmetrical but they are not so far apart that there should be such a differential in perception." Prostitution is purely a business transaction. Two strangers come together to exchange sex for money. One person showed up for money, the other showed up for sex. | Casual sex is when two consenting adults decide they don’t require a formal relationship to move their connection to a sexual experience. One person showed up for socializing and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 11:00 PM
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I’m not talking about people who simply need more. There is such a thing as excessive, addictive and obsessive sex, which is why I chose sex crazed and which is why I contrasted this behavior with the paragraph I wrote before it. The idea that there is no such thing as too much or a hyper focus on sex is unfounded.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:35 PM
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Two things can be true. The world could be better in some ways, and still be extremely hostile for women. I don’t think it’s more or less. I think it’s a lot of the same shit repackaged. We just have more freedom to opt out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:34 PM
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It’s a good question. As a woman, I wonder the same thing. Plenty of women brag about sex during dating and how they feel so boosted that he desires her. When it turns into a relationship, that same energy becomes a nuisance. Some women put on an act when it comes to sex and will hide the fact that they have an inexistent libido or they’re asexual. Then try to make guys feel bad bad for wanting it. On the flip side some guys have a problem. They are sex crazed and have unrealistic expectations a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:03 PM
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The trick is the trade off. If he isn’t the looker you wanted, he better have a great personality. If he’s broke, he better be a hard worker and not sitting around on video games all day. People are rarely the total package. No woman should be “lowering” her standards at all frankly, but certainly not across the board. I feel the same way for men. I think men and women grow up at some point (barring mental health issues) and go through the realization that their fairytale person likely doesn’t e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:34 PM
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Women. Hands down - women. And I don't blame them. There's an important distinction here: for dating expectations women are higher, because once the connection graduates to relationship expectations - men are exponentially higher. The pressures for what women have to be (remain thin, remain young and beautiful, submissive, obedient, compliant, self-sacrificing, a virgin or close to it) and what women are expected to perform for a man (bear children, be a sex goddess, raise children, cook, clean,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:26 AM
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I'm new here. Did I miss something? Was this a men's only space that women took over? Serious question. Otherwise, I'm not understanding what talking about issues with people has to do with one's personal beliefs. If a woman holds disdain for men, you're suggesting she's not allowed to ever engage with them? Huh? I hate Summer with a passion. I don't live in a dungeon for three months out of the year as a result. (For the record, I don't hate men. But I don't worship them either.)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:39 AM
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I see what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:28 AM
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Everyone is entitled to their preferences. I sure as hell have my own and I have a thing about telling people to "lower their standards." (Don't because it's none of your damn business.) I do have a question for you. You said your life would be so much better if you were thin. (I'd replace thin with healthy, but I don't disagree.) But is it to gain one of these JDBF bros? What happens when you gain weight as actually most women do at some point in their life, especially if they have children and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:21 AM
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IMO, "good men" don't become passport bros. Lmao Paying for dates came from an era when men provided for women. Courting was an entire thing. Men treated women on dates to express their dominance, leadership, and masculinity, a measure to win her over, to show his appreciation for her time, to show he could provide, and to stand apart from other men who were looking to court her. They didn't expect anything in return for a single date because they were investing for something bigger: marriage, c…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 02:55 AM
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Agreed. It was once 35, than 30, I was shocked and amused to recently see 25. But you’re right, they are shamelessly claiming embarrassingly young ages because the motivation has nothing to do with the woman and who she is as a human being. It’s about having someone young and malleable who they can traumatize first. Hence “we don’t want all your baggage” as if we don’t watch them cry online about all the rejection, loneliness, slutting and other baggage they’re dragging around. This post is load…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 10:31 PM
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I love this post. I can't think of a better way to illustrate the saying, "While you're whining with your finger pointed at everyone else for your problems, three are pointing right back at you." OR "Don't focus on the speck in your brother's eye while ignoring the log in your own eye." I'll never understand people who live life adamant about giving their power away to everyone and thing around them. Also, all of these are problems are not caused by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 10:08 PM
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It's not about "needing dozens of different partners." It's called living life. I'm sure you know that people do not always get along. Some people are simply incompatible whether it be their values, culture, hygiene, communication styles, etc. Sex is an important part of that. Plenty of married couples will tell you agonizing stories of thinking a partner would change when they married and having a horrible and often non-existent sex life. Some of you try to come along sounding noble with (there…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 09:54 PM
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I would never look for an ally in someone with that sentiment. Frankly, I don’t look for allies anyway. It’s corporate buzz talk to me. I can more than hold my own. No one owes men anything. Nothing. They don’t even have to breathe in his direction. If a man decides that he wants to build up his life and his self-esteem on people who don’t care to be around him, and extrapolate those experiences onto billions of people, that’s his problem. He made that decision. It is no one’s responsibility to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 08:39 AM
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We’re not animals. We are sentient human beings. But even if we go off this theory that you’re presenting, that women somehow must have men for protection in case a bigger badder man comes along and takes all the women against their will, let’s apply that to today. Men have ample opportunity, time and space to prove that they are the protectors of women. They largely don’t. They prove that they will sexually assault women and her children. They prove that they will traffic women and her children…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 08:29 AM
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That assertion doesn’t seem informed by even basic levels of philosophy. I can think of much more compelling purposes in life than simply reproducing. There is more to life than simply replicating more existence. You talk about passing something on to children. Well, if your only purpose in life is to reproduce what exactly are you passing on? Doesn’t sound like much of anything except how to impregnate women. This obsession with mindlessly reproducing is entirely problematic. It lacks any value…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 05:39 AM
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The link was the source of the quote that I pulled from the article, so it actually had everything to do with the quote I posted. I would not have had that quote if I did not come across the article. Lol The point of the quote was to point out that there are other reasons why men don’t date women. That was also related to my post. So I’m not sure why you felt so confident, wildly claiming that the link didn’t have much to do with my post and then mansplaining it to me. The rest of what you’re ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 05:27 AM
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It's only true if you think a woman's only purpose in life is to be a vagina attached to a uterus and not the entire human being that she is. Women do far more than reproduce and it has nothing to do with "rather". Women are building careers, learning to take care of themselves, understanding their bodies, going to therapy to heal, traveling to see the world, getting more education and gaining skills, building relationships, etc. You all do realize there is more to life than fucking each other a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 03:57 AM
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I have seen the same question asked for race and my answer is the same for gender: not in a million years, not even to save humanity. And no, it’s not because men are victims and live the worst lives of anyone. (Bullshit) It’s also not because women have it easier than men. (More bullshit) Those are illogical and oversimplified conclusions that help you feel secure in your belief system. Confirmation bias. It’s not a great litmus test at all because it presumes that all people are weak and don’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 03:53 AM
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I disagree that these are mainly men. We often forget that we share the internet with literal crotch goblins. The most illogical views I've read seemed to have come from very, very young kids who didn't do very well in school and couldn't describe the smell of grass. Their logic is dizzying. I truly hesitate to call them men. Of course there are men here, but the illogical blaming? It's pretty questionable a lot of the times. I've engaged in and witnessed a few discussions, and the uncontained r…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 03:44 AM
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If friendships were prevented, no one would have a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:43 AM
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This has nothing to do with feeling superior. There's no need to project insecurity. But it's easy to call someone your friend and actually cultivate a deep, meaningful friendship. Like you said, men go the easy route and opt for "casual" friendships. Your words. If that makes you feel inferior, that's on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:41 AM
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Making friends and having quality, meaningful relationships are two very different things. Men make associates more than women. And modern society does not prevent casual friendships, if anything it has accelerated the "casual" / largely fickle friendship. People have more access to one another than ever in human history. Were it not for this app for example many of us would never have met. And plenty of "casual friendships" are forged here.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:27 AM
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"Most men got a female partner throughout recent history by default of the above mathematical paradigm." Most men "got" women throughout history because society was constructed in such a way that women required men in order to survive. It wasn't until the 1800s that women began working outside of the home. And it wasn't until the 1900s that they began to live on their own. "The reason most men don't have a partner today is because most women have chosen to be childless." Being childfree does not…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:23 AM
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You kind of touch on this but not fully. What I see from some men is an inability to embrace and grow their emotional intelligence. They pride themselves on machoism and hyperfocus on how different men are from women so much that they forget they are still human beings with emotions. The end. Lol, you can fix your lips to dispute that but you are a human with emotions. Your gender doesn't matter when it comes to that. Your emotions need tending to like any other person whether you like it or not…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 02:02 AM
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What different things do men want? What is it about what men want that doesn't fit in with today's society?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 01:42 AM
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That’s cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 03:09 PM
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A whore engages in sex for money. But of course you knew that. Grow up. And yes, there are whores. This entire conversation is not about them. It’s about women who are sexually liberated and how the more sexually liberated they are the more inaccessible they are to men who struggle to know and develop themselves. So instead they advocate for the acceptance of predatory behavior and the subjugation of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 03:04 PM
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"they can't wrap their heads around the fact that 40% of couples meet online" This tickled me. Are they "couples" when a lot of online relationships are noncommittal? FWB, ONS, Situationships, side pieces, sneaky links -- the promotion of noncommittal seems to be the trend for 2020s dating. So "couples" sounds like a scary "old" person word - a literal overstatement. The problem with this post is that it presumes anyone not in their 20s stopped dating, didn't usher in online dating, and hasn't b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 05:48 AM
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"It does tho." Signed, The Bros. Yeah, no. "UNLIKE many men she can have casual sex on tap." Doesn't make her a whore. Plenty of men have sex on tap. Not all men are incels and woman-haters peddling sob stories about why they can't get pussy. Not all men are the top 10%. It's hard to imagine healthy men who dont hate women and get what they want from them because it validates you. lol "She's free to do whatever she wants and men are free to call her as the free hole she show to be." You mean you…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 05:11 AM
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On the flip side, having multiple sex partners doesn’t devalue women or make them whores. This notion fails to account for first experiences when both parties are incompatible or men who are extremely deceptive, devious, noncommital, and users. It demonizes women who, like many men, are dating and having safe, responsible casual sex. It’s also a sentiment that bashes women for not knowing the man she was with was extremely deceptive, noncommittal and a user. So what? After being hurt by a guy or…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 04:13 AM
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Again, this is about controlling what women do. The more you talk, the more you underscore that fact. If this were about privacy, you would have stayed focused on that and had no need to point out one gender over the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 03:04 AM
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Doesn’t matter what they’re doing it for. It’s their business. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:44 AM
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Let’s be real, if you were concerned about privacy, there was never a need to bash women in the process. You would have focused on privacy. Your post is about controlling women. Because how dare they profit off of their bodies in your face. 😌
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:42 AM
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Wow, sex work? So you see women in the gym filming themselves as sex work because you primarily consume sexualized workout content? 😂🤣 dohkay.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:39 AM
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Men create sexualized workout content too my guy. Lmao… all of your assertions are backed by your own personal anecdotes and passed as fact. You (a presumably heterosexual man) see more women doing it than men. Lol of course you do. Like getting on TikTok and foolishly complaining that it’s just a bunch of twerk videos. “Uh sir, the algorithm feeds you what you swipe on and search for.”🤭
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:34 AM
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Did you really just make an assertion about men and then back it with your 1 in billions life experience? Come on. I follow several men who are personal trainers and body builders who film in gyms. Not to mention the endless male influencers fucking off in gyms and filming it. I’m not going to say one is more than the other but filming in gyms is not a woman dominated sport. Lol Women’s glutes are not to “provoke” you. Having an ass is actually very fashionable, hence BBLs. Many women know the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:21 AM
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If the gym is to be considered a private space because filming is bothersome, why are you only calling out the behavior of women and downplaying (“a glance”) the behavior of men? Men film too. Why did this need to be a gender issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 01:44 AM
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This seems to be suggesting that living away from men isn’t positive because if it were there would be women-only compounds everywhere. 🥴 Can men think of any other relationship with them than romantic? Is it hard to believe that a woman could prefer being single but still enjoy and value other types of relationships and exposure to men? You do realize women have fathers, grandfathers, brothers, uncles, nephews, sons. Men are their professors, doctors, financial advisors, security, etc. You actu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 11:06 PM
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Are you literally here to tell me to value someone who doesn’t matter? I know a cop out when I see one. Go tell someone who cares what you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 08:49 PM
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The men I’m talking about don’t get skipped over. They get plenty of dates and no they are not the top 10%. They are inaccessible because they have simply opted out of dating. Meaning you can’t find them because they quit playing and not due to rejection, being undesirable or being ugly. Not all men are rejects or top 1% lol. Similarly to women, just because you have options doesn’t mean you like who you are being pursued by. There is a demographic of men who exist but are not loud like incels, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 08:23 PM
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Un hunh, that must be it. And not that year after year the study has been cited by doctors and experts. Lol I never said you were right. I simply pointed out that I don’t need a study to be right about this because there is overwhelming evidence elsewhere even if this wasn’t enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 07:35 PM
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The article seems to be inconclusive to me seeing as on many points they couldn’t reach PD to firmly draw several conclusions. Also one of the articles I provided clearly is about the fact that more women initiate divorce than men, which you would have known had you actually clicked to open any of them. If you’re that obsessed with marriage get married. I’m sure it works fine for some people. Don’t try to twist the evidence. I don’t need a study to know the truth when I have married people all a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 07:31 PM
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Lol I see
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 07:17 PM
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No they don’t. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 06:38 PM
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This is rooted in your inexperience, sweetie. 🤣 Young men beg older women for sex. They’re so desperate being rejected by women their own age they chase older women. It’ll usually only be sex because neither seriously wants the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 06:35 PM
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I just exist here. I didn’t establish a patriarchy. Men did. It seems you agreed with me according to your response but then went on to over-embellish what I said. Where exactly have I said it’s men’s fault entirely? Point out the word “entirely”. Because it would seem to me that on some level women would have to cooperate (which they have) for it to be possible. I didn’t know I needed to state the obvious. Everyone else seemed to have gotten the point. You seem to need a punching bag. You think…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 06:33 PM
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Plenty of women your age are still single, childfree and happy with their entire lives ahead of them as well. And even if women have children in their 30s what makes you think their life is over? You’re right you have no idea. You seem to just be repeating the same hate filled rhetoric from other men. It kills me that men will tell you your value is only as good as being young, having men and children. But will leave you with children (the most valuable thing ever according to them) and then tel…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 06:15 PM
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Wtf are you talking about? My post 100% supports and provides reason why the OP is right. Did you even stop to read either post before bitching??
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 06:10 PM
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What power imbalance?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 06:08 PM
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There is a reason for the term cougar. Because older women are drowning in young men who want sex and women reach their sexual peak later than men. It’s a sex match made in heaven. She has plenty of chance with him. She doesn’t want him for anything more than sex because that’s all he has to offer at that age. Women also lose their inhibition as they age, that’s why she doesn’t care. Women drastically stop caring what people think. They’ve lived all the lies and are likely miserable in some over…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 06:04 PM
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I don’t know many 40 year old women who are desperate for a 20 something (men they used to be able to get). He’s likely very broke, immature, and inexperienced. But I know plenty of 20 year old men sliding in 40 year old women’s DMs because women their own age don’t want them. Guess what. 40 somethings love to use 20yr old guys for sex, which is where cougar came from. Interesting how women still have value to men when it comes to sex… even in death we still seem to be good for that. And I’m not…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 05:38 PM
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“You do see the social media filled with crying, complaining and whining old women and single mothers right? You don't even have to go too far for that.” That’s a lie. Is this sarcasm?? Lol Men really think they are the prize. 😂 I see more women complaining about their marriages than I have ever seen a woman miserable for being single and childfree. But this just goes to show that men don’t listen to women or care about what makes us happy. You have assigned to us what you believe should make us…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 02:37 PM
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That’s the test right? Can we be better than those who did us wrong? Can we still find it in us to bring love and light into this world even when faced with and suffering from darkness? As we can see it’s one of the most difficult challenges mankind faces.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 10:20 PM
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I agree. Definitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 09:10 PM
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Women are not the only radical feminists. In your eagerness to be hateful you seem to think radical feminists are only ever women. Radical literally spells out something that deviates from the norm. So am I shocked that radical feminists voted for a radical idea - trans woman as woman of the year? Not at all. I expect them to be in tuned to something as stupid as the idea of “woman of the year” which you seem to think the vast majority of women across the nation participated in voting on or give…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 09:02 PM
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That reply leads me to believe you were incapable of presenting an effective rebuttal anyway and blaming someone else for that lack is just par for the course.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:46 PM
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It’s truly horrifying, but often, so is the victimization they suffered and learned, to become that way. The things that were done to my mother makes my stomach turn just to think about. It doesn’t excuse her behavior, but it emphasizes the point that hurt people, hurt people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 08:34 PM
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Wow. Your post drips with hatred and vitriol for no damn reason. 🤮 Men outnumber women in prisons 9-1, lol. Much of that is due to violence. You think abortion being deemed murder is going to catch women up that much? Men being able to transition to women and be lauded as woman of the year, underscores the patriarchy in a way that is most twisted and disgusting. Not sure what point you were going for there. And that’s cute that you find facts “amusing.”
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 07:41 PM
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It’s an interesting theory. However, people with NPD and BPD are both known to be some of the most difficult to treat and least likely to willingly seek and complete therapy automatically impacting any studies attributing the disorder to either gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 07:27 PM
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Lol a leading question, fun. So the answer, for anyone else who is not catching where this is going, is that men largely can’t casually date women without the prospect of commitment because that luxury is reserved for the top tier men. Also, because women hold all the power in dating and only make themselves available to 15% of the population. So really only about 10% of us (excuse me) men can engage in this behavior. Woe!! 🥺😩
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 07:10 PM
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Reflect on what exactly? That it's often the fact that people are awful people with poor character that influences what people think about their looks? Why exactly would I feel bad about that truth? What exactly are you threatening me with? Stephen Hawkings is my favorite example of a man who by anyone's standards is a 0 in the looks department but managed to marry not once, but cheated on his wife and married twice. Look at this man's contributions to the world. He was brilliant. People (not hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:53 PM
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I'd speculate that men are often labeled the bad guy more because the damage they do is usually obvious and visible (beatings, rape, murder, etc.), whereas women's wrongdoings are much more insidious, psychological and deceptive (cheating, emotional and mental abuse). This conversation reminds me of people diagnosed with NPD (narcissistic personality disorder). There is so much content out there about men when it comes to this condition. As someone who has survived a mother with NPD, when I was …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:47 PM
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You absolutely can sculpt a great body without ever stepping foot in a gym. There are PLENTY of other ways to get in shape. That you are even trying to argue otherwise is ridiculous. Your assertions fall flat against those men and women who are in excellent shape and have never seen a gym in their life. Or how people had great bodies before gyms existed. Lol seriously, just stop. What this is really about is YOU. “I remember when I would show up for volunteering events in college constantly and …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:14 PM
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Home gym equipment? Who said anything about home gym equipment. For someone who’s into fitness you really seem to be oblivious to how the human body works. There are plenty of ways to work out your body without spending hundreds of dollars or equipment or frequenting a gym. Lol and no, the things I’m talking about are not strict. Of course a few of the men I’m talking about go to gyms. You seem more concerned about fitting into the demographic and disgruntled that you’ve found something that may…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:51 PM
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Yep, because the worst of men and women frequent gyms to date now under this guise of “self discipline”. Like men gawking at women in buttcrack pants. Many aren’t bettering themselves for wholesome reasons, they’re doing it to deepen their shallowness so they can continue to chase one another. The great thing about the human body is that it doesn’t require a public gym to be improved.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:43 PM
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No, I’m the one telling you looks don’t have to stop you. YOU stop you by begging and groveling for the attention of people who don’t want you. Crying about it and pretending the world has ended. Instead of picking up your toys and finding another sandbox to play in like a big boy. There are 8 billion people on this planet, the problem with guys like you is that you think you DESERVE to be accepted by and socialized with the top 1% of those people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:40 PM
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Be careful on dating apps. Too many toxic people use them. Just like I would tell women to go out into the wild, I would recommend the same for inaccessible men. We don’t need to frequent shitty pools. Dating apps, bars, gyms are all shitty pools.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:36 PM
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Your classmates can’t gatekeep your ability to attend and finish school. Stop making excuses. You are not the first or last person to be bullied.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:32 PM
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That’s because men will literally bang a corpse, not because he has any intention of caring about her
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:16 PM
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No they don’t. All lies. Your classmates don’t care how you look, neither does the teacher or administrator. You look like your family so they don’t care. Your hobbies don’t care. Self development doesn’t care. Working a career doesn’t care and neither does volunteering at a dog shelter.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:14 PM
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Not the 1% at all. You really can’t get a job? Care about your other family members and develop relationships with them? Volunteer in your community? Get a hobby? Take a class? Are you that poor inside that you can’t bother to improve yourself doing the most basic of adult things? What exactly about the above is the 1%???
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:11 PM
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We’re not talking about the same men. The men I am talking about don’t struggle to get dates. They’ve opted out making themselves inaccessible not desperate like the men you’re describing. I already know where they are. I spoke about exactly where they are and what they are doing. When a person removes themselves from the market, it doesn’t matter where they are. They become inaccessible. And yes, I am aware that I’m better than settling for anyone less than someone who meets my needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:09 PM
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The fact that you think your looks and height, and not your lackluster character is your problem is the projection of your own shallowness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:05 PM
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Getting married does not change your genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:49 AM
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Men are not genetically superior. Being physically stronger in some areas (cause you sure as hell can’t birth a baby) does not make men overall superior. And men are responsible for the premature death of their wives because they do in fact benefit from the marriage BECAUSE OF and on the backs of their wives. Married women are less happy and die faster than single women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:43 AM
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It is 100% a projection of their fear. Men are petrified of being alone. They die before women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:39 AM
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So many in the comments telling on themselves. The kicker is that many of them are only cosplaying “nice” because they think it will get them between someone’s legs. They are so insufferable in actuality that they barely survive themselves, hence the suicide rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:35 AM
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Height/looks don’t dictate character. I’m not that lady.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:51 AM
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The wholesome men are not accessible. And I don’t mean married or taken or in the 1%. I mean that they are very hard to gain access to because they’re rarely, if ever, on dating apps, in bars, at gyms, etc. Those places are mainly where the toxic men are, pretending to be the good ones. The wholesome men, the one’s who don’t hate women, who don’t look down on women, who aren’t sex driven, who don’t feel entitled to women, who don’t make excuses for being single, who don’t listen to pill bullshit…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:36 AM
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She’s not that into them either!! 🤣 Again, the mistake you make is you can’t seem to fathom that people use ONE ANOTHER. These days people willing go into all sorts of “situationships.” It’s in your head that she’s getting played and not freely enjoying her life and her body with the people she prefers to. Lol The reality of this gripe from guys like you is that you’re mad you’re not getting any play. So making up some lie about how she’s getting “used up” makes you feel better about yourself. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 08:35 PM
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To claim a woman has been “slutted out” presumes she has no power over her own sexuality. You seem to think when women have sex with men that the men are the only ones taking pleasure in it. As if women don’t ever use men for sex. What’s delusional is the idea that she should lower her standards to fuck you when she can and does get to fuck better. That IS her reality. 😂 You sound bitter that a woman would rather get “slutted out” or rather reserve her sexual experience for the men she’s into an…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 07:15 PM
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The killing part of this is the idea that you’re entitled to a woman because you think she’s not worthy of the men she goes after and should be going after you. Excuse me, settling for you. And a lot of you are shameless about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 05:57 PM
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And you conveniently concluded that part of the experience that must of made her mentally ill was that men have it so hard and she couldn’t take it. It could have been depriving herself of being a woman. The process of becoming a man. An inability to fully be accepted by other men. Experiences with family/friends. Her upbringing. Only a professional evaluation could help draw that sort of conclusion, was a mental health professional cited?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 05:09 PM
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She committed suicide because she was mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 04:28 PM
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Just say you keep attracting users and leave us alone. Projecting your poor choices on all women is cheap. Choose better.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 04:24 PM
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If there is one thing I have learned about average looking people, specifically those with very low self esteem, it is that they are insufferable. They are their own problem. They call themselves ugly when physically they’re not. They are some of the most entitled and envious people you will ever meet. Just jealous of any and everyone. They are disgruntled and mad at the world because they feel slighted for not being born more attractive and how dare someone have it better/easier than them or ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:57 PM
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The problem with this argument is that people don’t put their morals on display. Deceptive, immoral people go out of their way to make you believe they have good intentions when they don’t. You can’t judge a person’s morals in 60 seconds. Sometimes not even 60 days. These things take time and arguably it isn’t until these people reveal their true colors that a person is in a position to reject them over it. So you really haven’t provided any compelling evidence to support your argument
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:47 PM
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Men only band together to teach one another how to be toxic. Men do not tribe-together enough to pass along the traits that land them in long-standing, wholesome relationships. The same is true with women to a certain extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 05:36 PM
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Yeah, so much for inclusion, tolerance, and community, huh? This isn’t a DEI program at the office. It’s dating, which is far more personal, risky and intimate. No one is obligated to include you in their life no matter what group you belong to. We wouldn't want the "weirdos" and "creeps" to have a shot at being allowed to simply be themselves, like everybody else, and be valued for what they can bring to society, eh? A woman choosing not to date you is not limiting your ability to be maladaptiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 12:36 AM
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You added the word ‘all.’ I don’t fear men. In fact, I’ve gone hand to hand with men having grown up with brothers. I’m more inclined to attack one that threatens me, then cower because I know how to defend myself. That doesn’t change the experience that women, generally speaking, have with men. The irony with your shitty comment about true crime content is that much of it is the lived experience of women dead-at-the-hands-of-men. Society doesn’t fuel shit. The truth does. 91% of sexual assault …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 06:59 PM
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The examples you gave contrasting a woman’s (largely) reactions to what you call men’s social awkwardness have nothing to do with her being socially awkward. It’s apples and oranges Being afraid (1, 2, 5) is not social awkwardness. We become fearful when someone crosses our boundaries, intimidates us, or displays some other form of a threat. And being conditioned to people please comes with archaic ways of training girls to be wives. Being shy is normal in men and women, hardly problematic. I th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 04:27 PM
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Emotional responsibility in a relationship has shit to do with crying. It’s about communication, compromise, and conflict resolution. It’s about being able to talk through things that are happening in the relationship with your partner. It’s about growing and advancing the relationship together vs being on autopilot expecting things to just work themselves out. If you think emotional responsibility is about crying, I don’t think you’re prepared to even have this conversation. The other thing tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 08:20 AM
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You’re right. Men want women who work, pay half of the bills like a modern woman, but assumes a tradwife role within the home. She births the children (something he can’t fully split and puts 5% of the effort into - y’all don’t like to factor in this part of the relationship. There’s nothing men offer that matches the pregnancy, labor, and birthing pains of bearing children often multiple times). She cooks, cleans, secretaires family dealings, chauffeurs, and deals with the children while he “pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 05:15 AM
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Correction: a majority of men are demanding one thing and a few outliers think their perspectives represent the majority. Your momma was the only one on that bus sweetie.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 01:14 AM
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Lol I’m not going to waste my time when you couldn’t get it right the first three times. You’re welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 05:51 PM
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Welcome for what exactly? Do you even know what we’re talking about? I asked for data supporting the notion that men don’t want SAHMs… First link is a ramble about the rate of divorces. Nothing about SAHMs or men’s preference for them one way or another. Second link is more about divorce rates. Nothing about SAHMs or men’s preference for them one way or another. Third link, you guessed it, more on divorce rates. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 05:37 PM
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I would love to see the data that supports this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 05:25 PM
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You can’t be serious. MEN are the biggest proponents of “feminine,” traditional SAHMs. Now they’re lazy and want a daddy? At this point, y’all have to be trolling cause this is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 03:24 PM
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Women are obtaining those men for marriage on a regular basis. Again, you’re bitter because you don’t measure up for even the most average woman who can turn around and marry up, when you would have her lower her standards for the likes of you, someone steeped in chauvinism, woman-hating, misogyny. Because that’s so much better.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 03:09 PM
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Most of you are hateful because women are able to obtain quite a bit more than you can figure out how to achieve. The entire reason many of you are bitter and disgruntled is because women you believe should settle for you are able to obtain more successful, better looking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 01:49 PM
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Men don’t need women who provide for themselves. They need women willing to accept the lifestyle he was able to obtain, be happy with it, and “do her part” in the relationship. Aspiring to more is shallow, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 12:13 PM
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Wow a normal guy arguing with the strange ones. This is fascinating. 🍿
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 10:53 AM
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Is it shallow to go after a man that will provide for your survival when you know the alternative is to be frowned upon for being too successful and independent (thus “masculine”) for providing for your own survival?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 10:50 AM
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All of these people are ugly and have battled being considered ugly. And at the exact same time several of these people are very attractive to me but it has shit to do with their looks. What they all have in common is that something about their persona, their talents, was enough for them to tap into star power, win people over and become famous. It most definitely was NOT their looks. Looks are not everything. Just another lie and excuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:28 AM
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Pete Davidson is hideous Christopher Walken hideous Jack Nicholson hideous Kevin Spacey hideous Tracy Morgan hideous Jimmy Fallon gross looking Mike Tyson yuck face Marilyn Manson horror show Michael Berryman WTF Donatella Versace looks like a car accident Susan Boyle Why Whoopi Goldberg haunts nightmares Richard Kiel looks like he eats babies Kathy Griffin ugly Russell Brand ugly Plenty of rich, famous, loved people who are unattractive. This list can go on for pages.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 06:03 AM
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Lol you’re talking to someone who has and will again date people purely because they were awesome people. No one where?? The halo effect explains why people do. It does not dictate that all people do. I will turn my nose up at a gorgeous idiot. I might even fight him if doesn’t catch a hint and get his peasant ass out of my presence. Good looks are cheap with no substance. Intelligent people know this. Common folk I guess need halo effects. 🤣 (Also the halo effect is not exclusive to looks. “Per…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 04:14 AM
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Personality and values greatly influence opinions about looks and what you have to offer. If you have a shit personality with shit values, you’re not going to win over the people you need to get the things you claim you need to win over a woman. The formula you just spelled out is how you attract a thot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 02:49 AM
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This is 100% the truth. People hate to hear that they are their own problem. It’s not men or women, it’s you. It’s one thing to talk about gender issues - there are plenty, but quite another to claim and so because of that I can’t get a woman/man. No, it’s you. It’s not just their personality that is dismal. The level of entitlement that these people have is a total mindfuck. When they do have a chance at a women, she’s not good enough (or man). These are the “nice guys” that women warn about. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 02:35 AM
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Absolute facts
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/23 02:28 AM
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Considering the high number of marriages that fail and the many more that are toxic and miserable but pretending, this generality simply does not work. Married people don’t give bad advice. They’re the canaries in the coal mine. They’re telling you all the twisted shit they had to do to be ready for their tour of duty / prison sentence - not to mention what they have to continue to do to survive it. They romanticize it because who wants to sound unhappy about a regretful choice they made? Hello …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 06:21 PM
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History is not a feminist narrative. And while you’re so hung up on accountability, you probably need to look into your denial. It’s not a river in Egypt. Everything is not a man’s fault. There are plenty of things that women need to do better. But the conversation right now is about men - suck it up and stop crying about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 12:23 AM
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We have words like femicide, rape culture, misogyny, because men care sooo much what women think. Women were treated like indentured servants for centuries before they were able to vote and work, and make their own lives for themselves, because men cared soooo much what women thought. At one point when women were practicing their own healing, modalities and helping other women birth children their practices were frowned upon and feared, and they were burned alive at the stake, because men cared …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 11:41 PM
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Too many people, women in particular, underestimate how many men are taught to believe they are not only superior to women but they own women. That our lives, our very existent is because of them and belongs to them. They feel entitled to choose us for their doing and for our free labor. That’s not an opinion it’s rooted in history, especially Christianity - where these beliefs are loud and clear word for word and “backed by God”. When women don’t center men, men project their fears onto us. Men…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 09:12 PM
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Men have always tried to figure out what they need to do to trick women into being with them. Lol that’s not what we’re talking about and that has nothing to do with giving a damn what women think. All of the contention that we see between men and women would not exist if men truly cared about the concerns and feelings of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 08:02 PM
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Men caring what women think… I think that is at the heart of a lot of the contention that we see between the two now. For the first time in a long time, they have no choice but to begin to care what we think unless they end up alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 05:56 PM
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“Us young women” is a dead giveaway. Coffee dates are usually precursors to something more significant dating wise. And as a young woman, I know that me and other women are perfectly fine with it. It’s low pressure not just cost-wise but also appearances. Neither the lady or guy needs to get all fancy or formal. Not to mention, women are fine lessening the chances of being harassed for sex after coffee as well. 😏 The coffee date is both the guy and gal’s opportunity to feel one another out to se…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 03:54 PM
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A lot of people responding to you are completely missing very good points that you are bringing up: People are entitled to their preferences. Preferences do not automatically make a person shallow. Placing extreme value on superficial things is what makes a person shallow. Just because someone prefers something, doesn’t mean it holds significant value and high priority for them. They have simply established a boundary for their life experiences. “Of all the options available for me, I want to sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 04:15 PM
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I mean, my comment wouldn’t apply to that situation. In my experience, people who are hung up on looks have an awfully difficult time disguising it. They are extremely lustful, have the attention span of a puppy, can’t hold a conversation of substance to save their life, have no depth and their personalities are stolen. They stick out like sore thumbs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 06:41 AM
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The number of people who get with someone primarily for their looks (a lot of men and women do this) and now are trapped in marriages with people they can’t stand is wildly underestimated. Shallow people deserve one another. The minute they start aging, gain a little weight, get into an injury that leaves scars not only is their fickle partner gone but they are left with crushed self esteem because they place too much weight on looks. Being this way takes care of itself. Lol let them suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 07:23 PM
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This is an opinion piece fact checked by an editorial team with weak supporting evidence that there is some indisputable definition of attraction. The initial assertions are all the author’s opinion (no sources cited until later). The lookism study, which I am very familiar with, hardly supports the notion that there is an indisputable standard of attraction. It’s simply saying that when someone else finds another person attractive, they are more likely to get a job. The Dateline experiment just…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 04:28 AM
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There are people who are objectively attractive to society as a whole and these men and women fit an exact prototype despite having different archetypes. Share the supporting evidence, with emphasis on the “society as a whole” comment. That’s quite the assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 03:51 AM
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Attraction is highly subjective. Yes looks are very important to most people. What I reject is the idea that attraction fits in a box. There are countless sob stories on Reddit of people calling themselves ugly, claiming it’s the reason they can’t get anyone. That’s the real lie here IMO. When you meet people like this offline they have poor hygiene, no style, haven’t seen a proper haircut in who knows how long, their skin is trashed, they’re out of shape, they make highly questionable fashion c…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 02:56 AM
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This drag was on point. 🤌🏽
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 05:35 AM
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We have seen plenty of matriarchal communities that have been successful, so the assertion that the patriarchy is the one true way is pure conjecture. Yes, the idea of a strong, healthy man being protective, and taking the lead in the home while complementing, respecting and allowing the woman to take her rightful place and lead in the home beside (not beneath) him is absolutely intoxicating, but that is not what we have seen in the past. Because, as you stated man could not handle a woman being…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 03:43 AM
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Rooted in who’s reality? A lot of religion was made by men looking to ensure their power and authority over others. In fact, this idea that you need to feel like you are stronger in power over a woman in the bedroom comes from the same place. Everyone has to start somewhere. And men do not always need to be on top.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 02:56 AM
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In America, it’s used as a fuel hatred toward women to promote purity culture and patriarchy. But those women are usually trampled over and end up divorcing later in life. There are some who are actually traditional / religious and hold virginity in a wholesome light. Young girls in particular, have to fight to hang on to their virginity. I think there’s a high value in being virgin, but it depends on the man. It’s high value when it’s rooted in tradition and religion, or even self-preservation,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 12:36 AM
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What do you mean “oppressed sure”? Are you unaware of how we got here today? When women were property. They couldn’t work. They couldn’t have bank accounts. They couldn’t vote. They stayed home and they served men. And the model of relationships that we see today is still largely based on that past. Lol it didn’t just disappear. It has slowly been changing over time. When people say traditional gender roles, that’s the bullshit that they’re basing it on. These changes were only a few decades ago…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 11:14 PM
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A woman’s formative years are made up of being told that her entire purpose in life is to marry a man, have his children, and keep his home. Domestic slavery. Her inability to do this by a specific age, renders her valueless. Throughout her entire life, she is measured by whether or not, she has a man in her life. Has she had children yet? She could have the best career, the best life, be absolutely gorgeous, and at the end of the day people will only validate her by the man whose arm she hangs …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 10:55 PM
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I recently saw a video where a woman discovered some statistics about unclaimed bodies in the morgue. I think this was about a year ago, but at the time, of the 16,000 bodies across the US that were unclaimed 13,000 were men. Those are staggering statistics of lonely bodies of men that are laying in the morgue with not a child or a wife or a side chick or even a podcast bro buddy to come pick him up and bury him. It really is just fear mongering. From the body count bullshit, to the you’re old /…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 10:11 PM
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It does tend to be very difficult to believe that there are kind people who don’t fall in line with the crowd but they do in fact exist. Fit, well off men date fat women all the time. Thin beautiful women date overweight men, too. It’s usually skinny, wirey, mentally toxic, unhealthy people who fat shame. They are often thin purely due to genetics. I know you wish everyone was as hateful as you are toward fat people, but we’re not. 🥰
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 10:03 PM
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I’m trying to think about why a woman would do this, except to get back at him for making her feel like shit. Because let’s face it, a lot of people are not kind to obese people. You hear it from thin people all the time — how they just gained a few extra pounds and everybody started treating them badly. Then, as soon as they lost the weight, the world changed. The stigma is loud. So it’s not just a matter of preference; it’s usually not just clean, respectful rejection either. There’s often a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 09:57 PM
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Because a sexually liberated woman is less likely to subscribe to traditional ways of centering men in her world (marriage, children, domestic slavery).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 04:28 AM
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