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What is it that attracts you to men? What experiences are you looking to have together? It seems that you don't look forward to being around the people in most of your relationships. So the question that you should be asking yourself is, what do you look forward to in a relationship or in any of your relationships? Once you know the answer to that, you have to figure out what your role is in those interactions. If you simply want people to be friendly and nice to you without you reciprocating en…
/r/RedPillWomen29/05/26 04:02 PM
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"Risky behavior" is referring to behavior that takes place in sexual competition. In what ways do you think women are more competitive than men and benefit more than a man would? The disparity in risk- taking is not because of the likelihood of success, but the rewards of said success. A woman who engages in risky behavior will have access to more status or rewards if she is successful, but her success has no affect on her attractiveness to men. A woman having higher status or more money does no…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:13 PM
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"Ideal conservative society" is subjective - freedom of speech is a classically liberal concept that is now seen as a "conservative" value. Regardless, men would prefer to have blame assigned individually if it means credit is also kept to the individual, whereas women are generally willing to sacrifice individual success/status if it allows them to also collectively distribute blame/failure. This is because men compete for status, which they benefit from in sexual selection, whereas women do no…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 04:42 PM
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I'd say women tend to be more religious than men, including the religion of idolizing your favorite celebrity or politician
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 05:36 AM
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No, because men don't believe that other people are obligated to sacrifice on their behalf just because they exist. Men also tend to believe in the concept of human beings having agency, in that women have the capacity to choose who they want to be with, rather than being dependent on men to decide for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 04:32 PM
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Women (more than anything else) can't stand sexism and discrimination No, women cannot stand feeling demeaned. You can be as sexist and discriminatory as you want as long as the woman feels good about it. Because he doesn't have to act all macho and portray this non existent made up notion of masculinity He doesn't have to portray a notion of masculinity that makes him seem mentally feeble and deeply insecure. He still has to portray a notion of masculinity that appeals to women. The problem is …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:21 AM
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People who can't detect social behavior are autistic or severely narcissistic, not redpill. Redpill depends on you understanding game, because you would have to understand it do develop it. If you're gonna define redpill as people who are not redpill and like to commit felonies, then yes your argument is as correct as bluepillers being people who just aren't nice enough to arouse women through kindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:48 PM
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There was a post on here suggesting that people should teach their daughters to be good mothers and wives and it got hundreds of outraged comments equating this to grooming sex slaves. Meanwhile people hate redpillers for not following the narrative of "always be nice to women and do favors for them, that's the only way they can see you as a human being." Never mind that men are expected to lay their bodies and wallets on the line for women's decisions and not doing so is seen as a violation of …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 09:57 PM
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I knew a guy who turned out to be a narcissistic psychopath, though not necessarily physically abusive (at least not from what I saw). I definitely missed a lot of red flags when I was around him, but I witnessed firsthand his terrible treatment of the women he dated. Can people trick others and hide their actual nature? To an extent. While I wouldn't have guessed he was abusive, in hindsight, there were always signs that he was a shitty person, in and out of romantic relationships. It's possibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 02:03 AM
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When you ask blue-pilled men to describe their relationships and marriages, they are essentially just an endless series of actions taken to placate their wives and often the larger group of people around them. "Happy wife happy life" is an ideology that they worship more devoutly than their religions. Some men have the motivation to get up every day and live for someone else's fantasies. The ones who don't are the ones who end up finding the red pill, where they ironically learn to do the same t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:57 PM
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she would know how to circumvent these difficulties easier. I still argue that many men don't understand a lot of the things that you say I agree that most men struggle with understanding the things women tell them, but disagree that women are not the same. Women have a very difficult time comprehending the male experience. There's this video from Jubilee showing th ease with which men detected a woman pretending to be a man. In general, most men will agree that women fail terribly at comprehend…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:00 PM
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It's hilarious the kind of threads you see on this sub trying to convince people that water is wet. And some people still arguing about who's fault it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:25 PM
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Well the expectations would be different. Basically women see men as more threatening/capable than women, so a man would be more easily able to approach women as a woman, but they would also expect less from a woman in terms of ability to protect or provision for them, and women would have less ability to leverage status by doing so. It becomes murky to map out exact qualities outside of a general sense of power differential because even women who like women often prefer dominance in some aspect…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:13 PM
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I am not sure how one thinks that she would fail if she were a man instead. The reason that she would fail is because women have different expectations from other women than they do from men. Norah Vincent showcased this when she attempted to pick up women as a man and women were cold to her and after they were informed that she was a woman their attitude to her immediately shifted and warmed up. The difference in what women expect from men and how they treat them as compared to their expectatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 05:08 PM
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Lol I had the most success with women when I was unemployed because I actually had time to keep up with their ridiculous need for attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 08:10 AM
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Women truly believe that attraction happens magically and romantically on its own. Believing that a man has to do things to make it happen would be like a magician revealing that what he is doing is in fact an illusion rather than "magic".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 07:55 AM
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Well it's been part of my personality since childhood, so I didn't necessarily take a class, but this context I meant through OLD and dating itself. It requires the ability to introspect and access to a friend (preferably a woman) that understands female behavior to some extent so you can discuss your experiences with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 07:22 AM
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What did he write that would suggest he is inauthentic or fake?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 03:43 AM
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Thanks. Just wanted to point out that there is a bias towards extroversion that people give too much credit for, when the primary thing it does is enable access to conversation with women (which the dating apps do as well if you pass the looks threshold).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 03:22 AM
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The average guy has zero clue how to text or sexually escalate In my experience, this is pretty much all you need to be good at in order to succeed. The primary reason for this is that the skillset needed to do so will translate over to all the other things you listed. The secondary reason is that much like the men who comment here, the women like to believe they are special and sophisticated, but the reality is that people are far more simple than they give themselves credit for and are willing…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 03:20 AM
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Being successful at dating in 2026, means being seen. A man about town. Hobbies, interests, traveling, dining out, concerts, festivals, therapy, reading, creating, learning, and experiencing life. 2026 is going analog. House parties. Running clubs. Hiking clubs. Meeting far flung friends for a travel adventure. I was successful enough while doing nothing but learning about people and using dating apps. The only thing you need to generate is access to conversations with women, the rest depends on…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 03:13 AM
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What's wild is how often men blame everything on looks while completely ignoring the stack of social, sexual, and psychological skills required AFTER the match. Most men are bluepilled and ignore game. The ones who aren't, are mostly blackpilled because they are simply insecure. Doing anything well requires effort, especially with human beings. Converting customers in sales, entertaining a crowd at a party, and appealing to social norms in media requires a holistic set of skills that take years …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 03:08 AM
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It would eventually be solved through polygamy. But this is really a question of managing expectations. Most people have an idealized fantasy of what a relationship should look like, that is difficult to obtain in reality. If they are able to be open and honest with each other about what they want, they can have an honest assessment of what they are willing to compromise on and determine the kind of relationship they are willing to have. A lot of men and women would prefer to be single than deal…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 02:59 AM
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Your behavior doesn't earn you the relationship, it just buys you time with the person until you can get to the point where you actually begin to develop the relationship. The behavior in itself does not earn you the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 04:39 AM
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Well, technically speaking, antisocial behavior is very different from neurodivergent behavior, and typically dangerous. So I don't see why anyone would want to accept it. If you're talking about behavior that is neurodivergent or doesn't fit in with social norms, then other people can do whatever they want with it. I don't expect people in general to accommodate behavior they don't want to deal with, which is why neurodivergent people absolutely should mask and perform in socially acceptable wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 10:47 PM
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I would refer you to my points about the qualities that (most often, in my opinion) greatly improve a man's access to being a slut: good looks, money, and manipulation. I can't say I consider this "investment" in any meaningful way. While I don't disagree that being good-looking or having money can generate sexual interest, the interaction between the man and the woman is largely driven by the man. The threshold of looks where women are pursuing the man is much higher than the looks of the avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:55 PM
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when I say initiate I don't mean saying "hi" either. I mean steering the conversation, setting up the date, etc. It's hilariously amusing how I've had multiple women tell me they took the initiative with men they were dating, only to find out that it meant they texted "hi" on a dating app first.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:27 PM
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They generally won't accept topics for discussion that aren't explicitly neutral, including proposed theories or solutions
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:21 PM
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Has this been your experience? I've heard women say these things. It's kind of impossible to know from experience, because my experience would have been that I got ghosted without knowing exactly why. What sane and self respecting man wants to be with a woman who thinks like that? Pretty much all women expect the man to take the initiative in a relationship, we just had a post about how so many women want men to "lead" them. I think it's pretty sane and self-respecting to engage with women in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:11 PM
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Her thinking it kills polarity, is sufficient to kill it. It doesn't matter whether the "real experience" would be something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:49 PM
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Putting the pressure on women to take the initiative will filter out women who would have been more interested after knowing you. Unless a woman knows you through mutual friends or a shared workplace, the only way she will be interested in you is solely due to physical attraction. And often times that level of attraction will cause you to be too intimidating for her to even reach out, much like men are scared to approach beautiful women. Even if the woman would approach you, she might see it as …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:47 PM
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While I don't disagree with your premise, I think male sexual opportunity is a net neutral force. I would argue that some social structures should be preserved but are otherwise denigrated by "male sexual equal opportunity behavior." The primary example that comes to mind in this case being men's willingness to pay for OnlyFans women, which is arguably bad for society as a whole, even if it is considered good for the individuals involved (which is debatable also).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 06:06 PM
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Wanting to be romantically and sexually desired by a woman is teenage fantasy? No, wanting to publicly cry about it to people who explicitly advise against it, as an act of rebellion, is something small children and some teenagers do. 10+ years of nothing but rejection and rejection and rejection right? No positive reinforcement from asking woman right? If that’s not you, then you don’t get it. Would you give in to having sex with a man because he repeatedly asked you for it? You mentioned that …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 05:29 PM
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The reality that men who think sex will solve all their problems don't want to admit, is that they want validation from a woman in a variety of different ways. Essentially, legalizing prostitution would raise the "floor" by satisfying certain very base needs for some men, but it would simply shift whatever "problems" men have right now to other types of validation from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 03:37 PM
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Lol I don't know what I'm out of the loop for, so I guess I am indeed out of the loop.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:20 AM
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All the reasons that he is a victim of women not volunteering sex to him as charity, bear no relation to him roleplaying his teenage fantasy. I've been rejected many times by women in awkward and sometimes harsh ways, with them cussing me out and even threatening me. Me feeling bad about these rejections has never led me to post online in search of a daddy to roleplay as a brat with.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:18 AM
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The point of remaining a virgin isn't to lose your virginity randomly with a man, it's to lose your virginity when you get married. You shouldn't marry a man who's gonna scream and cry and accuse you of not being one when you have sex with him. Yes, you won't always know what someone is like, but you should generally be screening sufficiently before marriage to get married to someone who will take it equally seriously. Lastly, the point of remaining a virgin isn't solely to improve your sex life…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:12 AM
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It was the last sentence in my post: When the red pill or blue pill suggest doing so, it is only functional as a means of retaining attention so that you can progress to conversation about the actual relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 06:16 AM
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Lol this is also does not contradict what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 04:58 AM
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No, I'm pretty sure crying and whining like a little bitch does not in fact attract women to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 03:17 AM
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My whole point was that it's not transactional, which is why I wrote the below: A relationship is earned not by manipulation but by exposing your true self to another and finding someone willing to equally expose themselves to you. I have no idea how you concluded the opposite of what I intended.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 02:21 AM
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I disagree that promiscuity is a high risk behavior primarily due to risk of reproduction, which technology has largely nullified. The fundamental quality of a sexual relationship is sexual exclusivity between partners, which cannot be compensated for through other means. Within a relationship, being a good lover would be dependent on your sexual interest in your partner, and if you didn't have enough, you would not be one, regardless of how good of a friend you were to your partner or how good …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 02:08 AM
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I'm surprised at how many honest responses there are to such a difficult question. Women never cease to amaze me. They'll publicly admit whether or not they expect their partner to die for them, but will argue endlessly over whether or not they expect their man to pay for a meal or read their minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 01:08 AM
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I don't know if they should go exactly 50/50, but the bulk of what gender roles consist of has generally been structured around children and potential for childbearing. So if you take children out of the picture, much of what we consider chivalry or benevolent sexism is neutered along with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 12:25 AM
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I said that in contrast to my point about validation being earned, so yes I agree. My phrasing might have been unclear.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 11:36 PM
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You’re not helping yourself here. I generally don't argue with professional victims, but just in case it was confusing, I'll clarify that I wasn't seeking to help myself here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:11 PM
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We told men to stop cheating, we told men to be active fathers, we told men to stop raping, we told men to stop playing games. Men also told women to leave cheaters, to go for nice guys, to be attracted to them, and to stop playing games. Telling people to do what you think is right is not sufficient to change individuals with actual brain processing and a spine. You might think that you have no control over what you do and that you have to accommodate everything everyone says, but that's a you …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:07 PM
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If you or anyone on here is going to tell me to shut up about it, I'm going to rebel and bring it up more frequently than I already do. Why? Just because I can and just piss you off. To remind you that you can't tell me what to do. You do realize that this makes you sound like a teenage girl, and may be part of the reason "no woman wants to be with [you] in that way?"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:30 PM
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Being mature or immature has nothing to do with playing video games. But rejecting people automatically because of a hobby? That is immaturity, just disguised as standards. To be fair like 90% of what women say online about their preferences is immaturity disguised as standards. Women don't care to understand why they like or don't like something, or why someone else likes it. They generally feel that them not liking the thing, or feeling/believing that they don't like it, is sufficient to disqu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:53 PM
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It basically ruined the relationship as we had little in common. Can I ask how you entered the relationship then? For me it's only ever worked when I base it on initial attraction. Otherwise women generally are not interested in continuing to talk if they don't feel sufficient romantic chemistry at the beginning of the relationship, even if we get along platonically.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:47 PM
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Anxiety is counterproductive to enthusiasm. If it serves as the impetus to motivate the woman to be enthusiastic, then sure, but beyond that it will interfere with the pleasure for both parties. If you're only concerned with the short-term, I suppose it doesn't matter, but long-term it's a death sentence to libido and desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:20 PM
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I don't know if it forgets it, but IMO it indicates severe mental issues. Using a woman's body and ignoring her personality in order to scratch an invisible itch in your head, that is rooted in how you think other men see you (not even how they actually see you), is a desire for a level of male validation that is either homoerotic or narcissistic in nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:56 PM
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A lot of decently attractive guys will probably choose to bang a below average woman who’s clearly attracted to him over an attractive escort. However, for unattractive guys or average guys not wanting to put in effort, escorts would be similarly easy to how easy a woman could get sex. It always surprises me how many men insist that women's bodies are magical wizardry that make you feel most amazing, and that the woman's existence or psychological being is completely irrelevant, but-but-but they…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:44 PM
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awful wicked people are in loving relationships too, so are idiots and so are criminals They're in relationships, just not loving ones. An "abusive" relationship is still a relationship, and it's enabled by both parties. The parties in a relationship want something from each other and are willing to perform or conform in a manner that allows them to receive it. My point was more so that while others can reward or punish you for your behavior, the relationship they have with you will depend on ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:31 PM
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I would say they have evolved to become less risk-averse because of their ability to handle physical danger or financial/strategic risk. Or that women have evolved to become more risk-averse due to their inability to handle it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:00 PM
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No, men don't want just a normal, decent partner, because those terms mean nothing, like women saying they just want a nice guy. What's not included in that list of qualities are all the ones they already receive or would not even consider a woman who didn't have them (attractiveness, mental stability, etc.). The reason men claim this is because most of them have limited options, so they "settle" for who they can. They also tend to have a more realistic assessment of what kind of woman is attain…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 05:04 PM
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The best version of yourself is useful for attracting women, but if they can't handle the worst version of yourself, you'll have to forever hide the parts of you they haven't approved. Better to show who you are early on than set up a fantasy you can't sustain in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:01 AM
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I haven't heard that one. I think that's referring to them giving advice for men they are already attracted to, not for men they are already in a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 07:23 AM
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I mean, if you are each pretending, your relationship becomes an act, and so in that sense is genuine, like a play or a movie or a drama. Otherwise, even if your relationship is transactional, you have to be genuine within it. You pay money for goods/services received. If you want to pay with fake money or not deliver on the service required, you won't have much of a relationship for long.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:49 AM
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More suitors, yes. Until we evolve beyond gender, it is what it is. More value, no. Just upfront value to get attention, but given the resource cost of childbearing, they will generally want to find a man equally if not more valuable than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:46 AM
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I don't think I said anything absolute here. My point is just that a successful relationship requires you to be genuine within it, even if you don't need to be genuine before (or after) it. This means that you will have to reveal your poker face at least in some portions of the relationship, if not throughout the entire relationship itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:44 AM
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I definitely agree, but that was also kind of my point lol. I would hardly call it a relationship where you have to constantly be someone you're not. I would say that you still need to play the games women play in order to get into a relationship with them, but there are ways to do so without lying or having to perform in a way that you don't want to. It's nuanced, but I'd say that manipulating women does not require you to create fictions, it just means you have to manage your communication to …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:42 AM
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When given as advice, it usually is. Since blue pill is essentially just defined by what is not red pill, I'd say it generally also includes the fantasy that elaborate gifts and acts of service will woo women, like what is portrayed in Disney and Hallmark movies. Edit: I totally forgot that this is the default blue pill response to men who are struggling. The problem is that the advice other than "just be yourself" consists of some variation of "don't be weird," which essentially serves to mute …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 04:22 AM
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Um I suppose it means that I am conservative in a general sense. I don't drink/do drugs, I'm politically conservative (by that I really just mean I'm not leftist), and I'm spiritual as opposed to religious. I'm what would be considered conservative nowadays and "redpilled" 10-15 years ago. These terms have changed a lot since then so I don't think I would fit neatly into what redpill is now or what conservative used to mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 02:59 AM
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Basically, yes. You are the one who decides that it is offensive. Ultimately, my point is not that you should be forced to endure things you find offensive, just that you shouldn't shut down other people who are not engaging with you, or decide on their behalf what they should be offended by. People shouldn't make offensive jokes about you unless they believe you won't be offended by them. Part of making a joke is not knowing who will find it funny or not or be offended by it. If they are saying…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 02:33 AM
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Social risk-taking like cold approaching women, making risky jokes, or even just being vulnerable about flaws or weaknesses. Not sure exactly how risk-taking would apply in other domains, but I suppose it could include things like bringing up new ideas to your employer, engaging in competitive sports, or debating controversial topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 01:59 AM
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Your statement on risk-taking isn't clear. I'll just say that less men taking risk means less competition and more reward for the ones who are willing to take it. Also, the increased punishment for risk-taking means that the psychological threshold needed to engage in it is even higher, so rather than "strong" men it's the "crazy" men who are willing to engage in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 01:14 AM
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Being eager to be a jerk and being willing to be a jerk are two different things. Not when measured from the victim's point of view. There are a lot of ways to hurt and threaten people. Saying things that people may or may not be offended by is not one of them. No one is forcing you to be a jerk if you don't want to. It's the people who are offended that insist their problems are your fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 01:10 AM
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This is a space where traditionally religious authorities and/or healers have operated throughout history, and still often do. It's just that spaces that seek to develop men specifically are seen as a threat, with the only exception being physical self-development (gyms). Though in the past physical and psychological self-development were intertwined (for both men and women).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 12:34 AM
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The nondrinker acts as a mirror and forces the other person to think about their own drinking habits. They feel weird, more self-conscious, and that's the exact opposite of why they're drinking in the first place. The very tool they're using to enable hookups, you're reflecting it back at them and making them feel bad for it. You're drink-shaming and slut-shaming them, whether you mean to or not. I'll note that in my experience this is true for all behavior that doesn't validate the other person…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 11:38 PM
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As others have mentioned, being "strong" is socially punished. Expressing pride as a man is seen as arrogance, the desire to succeed is seen as a desire to oppress others, and risk-taking is severely punished. With cancel culture raging, the you have to either conform to the narrative or face the consequences. The problem is that all self-development must now be done alone through introspection. Trying to publicly improve yourself as a man requires you to receive criticism, and real criticism is…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 09:28 PM
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No, being willing to be a jerk is masculine. Letting people use insults to dictate your behavior is not masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 06:46 PM
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Men who need others to think for them are not lonely, because they can paint their nails and put on dresses to fit in and "socialize" in the manner sanctioned in Western societies. Men who are independent can think on their own and reach conclusions that will not be acceptable to publicly share, which is where the opening statement comes from. Knowing that something is right or wrong is different from publicly admitting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 05:27 PM
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Yes, the work that needs to be done is not allowing yourself to be thought policed by people who demand that you compete for victimhood with them. No one else is to blame for that. The people who decide that the way you behave hurts them are to blame for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 05:07 PM
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society’s culture is determined by the people it reveres Not my problem you want to worship evil people or women who disfigured their bodies and spread hate as entertainment. the people held up as role models for the average man don’t count Men don't need others to think on their behalf or form opinions for them. Those are women and children you are describing, who I agree should be protected from worship of sexuality and victimhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 05:03 PM
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manage to not do those things, nor do I feel the need to be cruel, selfish, racist, bigoted or hateful. You feel the need to decide for others what is cruel, selfish, racist, bigoted, or hateful to them. So no, you cannot have an opinion without it being offensive, because you are not the one deciding it is offensive. Even men manage to not offend most other men Yes, which is why they don't appreciate it when a minority of people decide what is offensive on their behalf. It is extremely easy to …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 05:00 PM
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Being offensive is a masculine trait as it requires you to not be a doormat terrified of rejection. However, being offended is not a masculine trait as it requires you to demand that others value your opinion over theirs for no reason at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:54 PM
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We've had a few presidents who were buddies with Epstein, regularly aligned with and supported dictators committing war crimes, and generally have authorized human rights violations against U.S. citizens for their personal agendas. The "highest office in the land" is not given, it is taken. If you want to participate in political power then you will be a player in a game of evil far beyond saying a few mean words. That has nothing to do with the average man. If you think the average man is rewar…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:52 PM
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You need to be offensive to make jokes or have opinions. Women would rather be extremely fake to women that they hate than express anything suggesting that they have a real opinion that could be judged or disagreed with. And women's idea of humor is saying out loud things that are universally relatable and people will agree with. Women will still enjoy it when men say things they find funny or express actual opinions out loud, they just won't dare to do the same themselves, because they have evo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:43 PM
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I agree that it's not truly about sex or dating, but true to my flair, I'd argue it's about the punishment of public displays of masculinity. Masculine behavior is increasingly being deemed "toxic" in public settings. Saying a joke that is mildly offensive can get you shunned from a social group, trying to explain something to a coworker who doesn't understand is labeled "mansplaining", and even public discussion of dating experiences between men is seen as something inexcusable if it suggests w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:05 PM
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What red pill talks about was common knowledge about 50 years ago. The reason that it came into existence was because of society's gynocentric distortion that resulted from an adopted worldview where women and men were exactly the same with no fundamental differences in temperament or behavior. Before "the blue pill", "red pill" beliefs and dynamics were also present. Many of them were displayed in what is now known as "toxic masculinity." Regardless of the label or identifier, people have alway…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:48 AM
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Approaching women will still work for men who know how to do it. Strictly speaking, "cold" approach is now dead and gone, but men who know how to "warm" approach will be more successful than they previously were. One of the problems with this is that developing the skillset to approach women is now a far more difficult process than ever and will require the man to have better game at each progressive stage of the approach. The other problem is that for men with game, online dating is simply safe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:39 AM
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While I generally agree with you, I will say that the purpose of "game" is not to generate attraction. It is to maintain and refine the attraction that exists at the beginning of an interaction by not putting off the other person, and instead aligning to their fantasy of how romance should occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 10:06 PM
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"How disgusting that a man wants me to be turned on by him! It should happen randomly and magically!"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:02 PM
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How do you conclude that this is entirely men's fault when the post explained how it was happening on both sides?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:47 PM
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I guess it's less "transactional" if it's just always your turn. What did I say that suggests sex is always "my turn"? But maybe your partners find it psychologically stimulating. They still deserve to be physically stimulated in return. All sex is psychologically stimulating. Sex happens within the mind, otherwise mere physical stimulation would be enough to satisfy everyone. If people don't need psychological stimulation then they would just masturbate. And if physical stimulation was sufficie…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:59 PM
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Most "alpha" men would need to devote a significant amount of time to pursuit of the assets or capabilities that made them "alpha." This means that it would not make economic sense for them to invest any time or effort in mid-tier or lower women if they had access to the elite women. This would mean at most they might have multiple wives, but not hundreds of women. The fantasy of alpha males running around fucking all women is just a projection. Most men who are able to have high amounts of casu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 05:27 PM
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Hypergamy is subjective. Having a higher income is only one element of it, but hypergamy is measured as the desire to date both up and across, but not below. Men decide to enter a relationship where the woman earns less because the woman benefits them in other ways. It's very difficult for a man to compensate for a lower income and when he does it's because he is exceptional in another domain (looks, status) and rare rather than equally common among women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 04:58 PM
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This is why I specifically said "date down." Both men and women are okay with people in their income bracket, but only men will be willing to financially support a woman as part of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 04:49 PM
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The premise of your post is that the only thing that matters in a relationship is sexual exchange. While relationships are built on top of sex, there are many other elements that cause people to want to be with each other. It's only in the modern world that egoistic pursuit of self-interest is seen as far more sacred than a social relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 04:40 PM
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By this reasoning, we should see hypergamy largely disappearing as women gain economic freedom and even advantage. Yet women will not "date down" with anywhere near the same frequency as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 04:31 PM
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Hypergamy was a universal concept accepted across the world and in social sciences until maybe 10-15 years ago. What leads you to believe that hypergamy is not real?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 04:28 PM
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Its main goal is emotional busy work This is the main goal of 90% of social interaction. People are not honest in the majority of things they do socially, a small subset of which is advice. The original concept of "the red pill" was for people to break out of the Matrix and address reality. This is a thing that most people do not care for in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 04:17 PM
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This just kind of goes into my last point no one really wants to talk about is that what we call "having game" is, in practice, often just socially sanctioned manipulation. Men who are bad with women are told to improve their "game": learn timing, emotional pacing, push/pull dynamics, teasing, scarcity, confidence framing, when to withdraw attention, when to escalate, etc. None of this is about radical honesty. It's about influence. You can't just tell a woman you want to sleep with her, you hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 04:06 PM
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You really got me there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:14 AM
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Why would you expect her to be stimulated by an act completely and solely focused on your pleasure? For the same reason that I would be stimulated by focusing on her pleasure. You don't want to "take turns"? Correct, this is transactional. You "care" that women are not stimulated by blowing you alone No, I don't care. I care if they pretend to be stimulated by it, as I mentioned in the last two comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:11 AM
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Men get respect for their own rights as human beings. Lifting heavy things is not related to rights. If you're talking about insisting on equality of outcome, that's different from the belief in fundamental human rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:03 AM
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You said the women who act super into it are just acting. I don't believe that these women are "just acting," but if they want to put on a fake display every time they have sex with their partner, they shouldn't complain that he expects them to act like they enjoy sex when they have sex. If you want your partner to care about your stimulation, why would he then not care if you are stimulated while you are blowing him? The only reason I can think is if you believe sex is some sort of turn-based g…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:15 AM
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I’d gladly weed them out early. Yes, this is the premise of my whole post. If a woman doesn't want to accept the possibility of being judged by a potential partner, she should not be looking for a relationship until she can. The thing that would be bad for her to do would be to try and convince the man, or even men in general, not to judge her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:03 AM
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I disagree that's it's obvious why. You suggest that women give bad advice because they want to be politically correct. I think the real reason women give bad advice is because they don't care why someone is liked or not liked, only that they are. This results in two problems: Just like women hate receiving solutions when they want to vent, they assume that men coming to them with dating problems want reassurance rather than solutions. Of course, the man's impressive emotional state does nothing…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 01:55 AM
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Is my consequence that you don’t want to date me? The consequence is that the people who don't want to date you will not date you, and the people who want to will. Well, not a bad result Never said it was bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 12:18 AM
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You’re redefining “judgement” so broadly that it stops being meaningful. I'm using the actual definition of judgement, not a narrow obfuscation of it that refers only to active criticism. When people say they don't want to be "judged," ironically what they really mean is that they don't want people to judge them superficially or narrowly and only judge them based on partial information, rather than people judging them based on who they are as a whole. So the problem with being judged is actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 07:04 PM
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so you want immediate enthusiastic desire without accountability no effort on your part and zero social cost to you Yes, this part, without the other random things you added.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:49 PM
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Women should probably stop doing things they don't want to and using this to justify their behavior later on, and instead just be honest about what they actually want. That being said, some people actually do enjoy stimulating their partner sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:43 PM
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Men still want sex with human women, which is why they pursue them. The ones that don't, turn to porn and sex dolls. Men need to stop expecting most women to lust like a man when it’s clear men and women are not the same. You don't need to lust like a man all the time, to lust like a man when you're having sex with a man. The fact that millions of women do indeed enjoy and actively participate in sex indicates that this is not an unrealistic expectation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:40 PM
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Your fantasy of perfect reasoning and outcomes is just that, a fantasy This is your fantasy. The fact that people act on the basis of their judgement has nothing to do with their judgement being accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:27 PM
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Judgement is about moral evaluation. It doesn't have to be. You can assess whether someone’s current values align with yours without turning their history into a character defect. Yes, you can, but in order to assess someone you would have to use your brain (if you have one) to think and form a judgement about the other person. Past choices aren’t automatically flaws or weaknesses. They're not, they only become so based on the judgement of the person interpreting them. A lot of the judgement wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:23 PM
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You incorrectly read what I wrote. You would face the consequences of any and all judgement, regardless of whether you care about it. Caring about a person's judgement of you would mean that the consequences of their judgement would have a greater impact on you. In regards to being judged for your sexual history, if a relationship is built around sex, why would sexual experiences outside of the relationship have no effect on it? There is no other type of relationship where you pretend like part …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:08 PM
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I don't know what this has to do with relationships. People get together because they like certain things about each other. They break up because they don't like certain things about each other. This requires them to get to know the other person and make a judgement as to who the other person is, that may be positive or negative or neutral, and may or may not be accurate. People who decide they don't want to be with the other person, do so as a result of their conscious judgement, rather than fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:36 PM
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Yes so I'm saying the risk of dating is the risk of being judged. Someone who doesn't know you won't be able to judge you until they do and when they do they might not like things about you, possibly even enough to not continue the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 12:19 PM
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No, there really hasn’t been any consequences for me, being judged as a woman has had about the same consequences that only being rejected by old, ugly, obese women would have for a men. Incredible. You are immune from all the consequences of judgement except those consequences that you didn't care about. Crazy how logic works. Believe it or not, there really are men who don’t care as much as you about a woman’s past, just like there are women who don’t care that much about a man’s past. Wow. So…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 12:17 PM
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It would make you unfit to date if you thought you could convince them into not judging you. I also realized I never talked specifically about sexual history. I'll agree that it's the most important factor in a sexual relationship, but people who care about your thoughts, opinions, personality and/or behavior will form some sort of judgement about you. Wanting them not to judge you would require they not care about you at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 09:26 AM
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You should not try to convince men to not judge you, like I mentioned at the end of my last comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 09:16 AM
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Her contribution is being recognised and paid for, why is that SO deeply unreasonable? Because it's immeasurable, just like his. Please explain how housewives are taking advantage of men? The same ways that men take advantage of them. Which is to say it's either manipulation, force, or neither side is taking advantage and it's a fair trade.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 09:13 AM
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Yes most people are not changing their attitudes one way or another, it just happens to be that on this sub men and women seem to have the attitude that they can complain their way into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 09:08 AM
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You portray it as a moral failing on my part, then what's the alternative? Except I don't. Not all judgement is moral, believing it is, is simply the result of projection. You're missing most of my point. Your example doesn't make sense because I ws talking about rejection from the male perspective. What should i do in your opinion? You can do whatever you like, but you should understand that you will be judged one way or another in your relationships. People who ignore your behavior generally d…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 09:06 AM
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You are so scared of losing the competition you are giving all the leverage to women. You need to stop pedestalizing women so hard and stop blindly following whatever rule they write for you. Who is doing this? You need to follow the rules that make women attracted to you. These are not rules that women write but are ingrained into their biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 08:54 AM
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How is this a payout for a marriage ending when she'd get the same thing if she stayed married too? It's unrelated to the marriage ending. It's the same payout that the man would get. You don't need sex to survive/provide for your kids. You do need money. Yes, the money that the man gave to the woman during the marriage by financially supporting her. I agree. I discourage all women from leaving their careers. That said, this is also contributing to the plummeting birth rate. Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:14 AM
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A man who has building his career for years and years? Obviously with his salary. What if the man was crippled by shame at his inability to support his wife with the child raising and lost his ability to earn? In real life, people fight over their earning capacity to lower their support obligation all the time. All that trying to measure who is financially superior does, is create a victim Olympics where the goal is to make yourself seem as helpless as possible. A man would rather pay an entire …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:07 AM
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The men who did these things didn't get respect for existing as men, they got respect for doing these things. My argument is that it is irrelevant whether men are justified in demanding respect, because that's not the means through which they get or give respect anyways. Men don't respect other men simply because of their gender or expect respect simply because of their own gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:02 AM
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Oh come on. We all know that you’re talking about a specific brand of judgement that isn’t just “having an opinion.” You say this and then went on to describe all sorts of other judgement your next paragraph. I didn't even mention sexual history specifically but I'll say here that it's the most salient one within a sexual relationship, by definition, but despite what men on this sub might tell you, judgement extends to everything, not just sexual history. As you mentioned in the next paragraph, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:55 AM
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My point is that there are real consequences, the people who are hoping to avoid rejection or judgement are merely delaying those consequences. People subject their partners to a lot more scrutiny within a relationship than they do before the relationship, and are more comfortable expressing what they really feel, especially when they argue. A man who wasn't able to handle the the soft rejection that he likely received from a woman who wasn't interested in him, will have an even harder time deal…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:50 AM
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Rejection need not be the result of judgement, but it can be. nobody agrees with all your opinions. That doesn't mean you're being judged. You should be able to handle those situations like an adult. I disagree that you are not being judged. Adults won't scream at you and call you names, but they will have an opinion on who you are as a person. When people say they don't want to be "judged," ironically what they really mean is that they don't want people to judge them superficially or narrowly a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:43 AM
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Why would a man enter into a sexual relationship with you if he didn't care about your sexual history? I would argue as I did in the OP that this would only make sense if he didn't care about your sexual future either, which I would not conclude to be a relationship then.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:40 AM
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They don't have to be the same, but people can reject you as the result of a moral judgment. But I'm not conflating them, otherwise I would have used just one of them as an example. I used both because that is what people on this sub complain about, which you can see even in the comments here. Also, a judgement need not be moral for it to be a judgement. It just needs to be consciously decided, which seems to hit a nerve in people who are convinced that everyone is a helpless victim of their nat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:38 AM
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By definition, having a partner means they haven't rejected you. The point is that you cannot bypass the process that would lead to rejection, only delay it. What exactly is your partner going to do with you, for you, through you, that they would not need to judge you for? They will have an opinion on your capability, intellect, kindness, morality etc. This will be a judgement of who you are as a person. The only way you can escape judgement in a relationship is if they do not care about how or …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 05:33 AM
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Bullshit. This is a judgement. you believe that your way is the only way and to disregard everything and every experience the person has lived through to get them to the action you’re judging them for. You might have to do that, I can think things without disregarding everything else. Additionally, people who judge often have their heads so far up their asses and often don’t even offer anything profound or useful, or that the person that they’re judging hasn’t heard before. This is also a judgem…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 02:46 AM
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Dude, there are plenty of men who don’t negative judge their partners or their dates about their past sexual and relationship choices. I question the intentions of a man who wants a sexual relationship with a woman whose sexual and relationship choices he doesn't care about. Accepting someone for who they are means you are secretly judging the fuck out of them and not talking about it. Good luck with marriage if you think never communicating with each other about things you want or care about is…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 02:29 AM
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People reject you on the basis of what they judge about you. Who the fuck wants to be around anyone that judges them? Would you want to have a friend who judges you and you can’t be yourself around? You can be yourself around friends who judge you. Men say the most extreme insults to each other in the form of jokes, but they are able to respect each other and enjoy their friendships without feeling like they constantly have to lie to each other about what they think. You should have friends that…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 02:23 AM
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It’s absolutely normal not to want to be negatively judged for your past dating/sex choices. It may be normal to not want to be judged negatively, but it's absolutely stupid to think that your partner will never do so. The only people who will never let you think you're anything less than perfect, are either extreme people pleasers or psychopaths trying to use you, neither of which are pleasant to have a relationship with. Your partner should accept you as you are, which doesn't mean that they w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 02:14 AM
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It's impossible to exist as a conscious being and not make judgements. Every choice, action, and belief is a judgement of reality in itself. The only way to not judge someone is to not think anything of them at all. When people say they don't want to be "judged," ironically what they really mean is that they don't want people to judge them superficially or narrowly and only judge them based on partial information, rather than based on who they are as a whole. So the problem with being judged is …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 01:40 AM
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So she'll feed and clothe herself with what? Good feelings? Presumably the same thing that the man would feed and clothe himself with. If men knew that women actually expect to be compensated for all the childcare and household labor they do For childcare and household labor, they would go with nannies and maids. Wait how on earth is that an equivalence? My point was that the man would not get married if his wife was going to autistically attempt to itemize every iota of labor performed during t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 01:09 AM
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The payout she should get for being a good mother will come from her children as that is the relationship she cultivated. So yes, the woman should consider the investment cost of giving up her career for children. If she wants to be paid for taking care of children, she can be a nanny or a surrogate. However for marriage, most states in the U.S. consider income earned during marriage community property, so as the OP mentioned she would have rights to any money saved and property bought during th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 12:27 AM
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I think that's atypical, but I'm not sure what women in relationships would do. I do know that most women would be hesitant to enter a relationship with a man who makes much less than them, and this becomes a bigger factor when they have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 12:17 AM
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I'm in the U.S., but this is more of an issue where the income gap is significant. In my experience, the difference being something like the woman earning 1.5 - 2x the man's income at a median income level. That would translate to an income gap of about $25-30k USD. A smaller gap wouldn't really matter as they would essentially be in the same socio-economic class, and most women would not seriously date a man below the median income.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 12:05 AM
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I feel like this topic has been asked 4 times in the last week alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:53 PM
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Demanding collective respect is female behavior. Men want individual respect, not for existing as a whole. Men who want respect compete to earn it. The ones who don't have to try and use other means to earn it, which is closer to the types of men you are describing. That being said, the women are the ones selling the nude pics (except where it's AI generated by men), and women are equally if not more guilty of blindly worshipping politicians, celebrities and other religious authorities who strug…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:32 PM
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IMO, obligating one adult to support another is an outdated practice that doesn't make sense when both people have decided to split ways. You can't measure the contributions of parents to their children, but if the factor here is time invested in children, then the children will themselves reward the adults who invested in them. I am a firm believer that all relationships are reciprocal in the end. Also, you can't predict how people will perform in the future. Both parties in a relationship shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:22 PM
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Since women no longer need men for a variety of things that they used to before, what they select for in a partner has become narrower and narrower. The problem is, women's selection bias is a "yes, but" rather than a "yes, and". So earning less than they expect you to can be a disqualifying factor that cannot be compensated for in other ways. The other obvious problem is social media leading to women judging their partners in comparison to the highest standards of their peer group. Not only do …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:14 PM
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So when we talk about single liberal women rejecting single conservative men, this actually does significantly affect conservative men's dating lives. On a somewhat related note, it's interesting how there are not enough high income or highly educated men for high income or highly educated women, but this doesn't prevent women from pursuing further education or higher income occupations (or lying about their income and education on dating apps).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:09 PM
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I mean if these "leftist" women are just pretending, then this is supporting OP's premise that less conservative women are single than liberal women. It also indicates that the women will pretend to be less conservative than they are in order to fit in socially.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:31 PM
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If you're talking about the ones who aren't going to pair up with liberal men, it would obviously mean they either have to date other women and nonbinary people, or share the same man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:26 PM
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Just gonna post some links another user shared with me last time I stated what you did in your post: Coffé, Hilde, and Catherine Bolzendahl. "Avoiding the subject? Gender gaps in interpersonal political conflict avoidance and its consequences for political engagement." British Politics 12 (2017): 135-156. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Descriptive-gender-gaps-in-political-conflict-avoidance-a-I-would-rather-not-justify_fig1_303835617 Rae Atkeson, Lonna, and Ronald B. Rapoport. "The more thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 04:26 PM
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women who are constantly hating on men and making them feel guilty just for being a man don't really represent the majority of women. They may not be the majority of women, but women (and men) who attempt to publicly shut them down face social and political consequences. The women that are sensible are an ever shrinking "silent majority." conservatives are taking advantage by acting like they give a shit about men when in reality they don't do anything for them. Grown men generally understand th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 07:26 AM
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Another commenter pointed out that it could be women's insecurity also, but yes that is the fundamental issue. Just like women's insecurity that they would have to financially or emotionally support a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:05 PM
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I don't doubt that women would or could feel jealous, but the disgust response appears to be unique to men, or at least some men. I say this only because when the topic of body count comes up, it's women who tend to vehemently defend racking up bodies more so than men, and seem confused as to why it matters. Personally, I believe that higher body count is bad for both men and women for a variety of reasons. The only difference is that men's sexual attraction to one woman is unaffected by their a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 07:07 PM
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Thanks for explaining. Yes this is pretty much what I was trying to say. I don't think RP covers values but definitely this would be the result of picking a woman that aligns with you rather than trying to negotiate the relationship, especially for such fundamental elements of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 06:47 AM
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Right now it sounds like rape when it's very likely not what you meant. Er I thought you were implying some sort of mass government program to make women pregnant in your OP, which would be non-consensual in nature. Oh I see what you mean lol. I think that's a pretty dark reading of what I wrote, but you're right so I'll edit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 06:40 AM
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Red pill evolved over the last few decades. In the early stages of the internet it initially began in pickup artist forums, where men discussed seduction strategies (game) and how to best have one-night stands with women. This later evolved into a subreddit where men began to discuss not just strategies for casual sex but also male and female behavior and the different dynamics present in sexual/romantic relationships. These online groups always had a large group of incels because they were the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 06:33 AM
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I don't think red pill covers anything relating to pregnancy. Most redpillers are obsessed with maintaining consistent access to sex or female validation. A smaller group of redpillers is interested in the relationship dynamic present in long-term relationships and marriage. There is very little, if any, "red pill" theory regarding pregnancy specifically. The people talking about making women pregnant are not red pilled but likely just incels; if they were red pilled, they wouldn't need to try a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 06:24 AM
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What red pill talks about was common knowledge about 50 years ago. The reason that it came into existence was because of society's gynocentric distortion that resulted from an adopted worldview where women and men were exactly the same with no fundamental differences in temperament or behavior. Before "the blue pill", "red pill" beliefs and dynamics were also present. Many of them were displayed in what is now known as "toxic masculinity." Regardless of the label or identifier, people have alway…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 06:19 AM
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A hot woman is only viable to the extent that she is sexually excited by you. A hot woman that is a starfish in the bedroom or otherwise bitchy outside of it gets old real fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 12:31 AM
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Never understood why the impact of body count is confusing. If a relationship is built around sex, why would sexual experiences outside of the relationship have no effect on it? There is no other type of relationship where you pretend like part of your existence never happened and has no effect on you, and this is one of the most intimate relationships a person can have. It's only modern dating that pretends sex is meaningless while simultaneously treating sexual exclusivity as sacred. The probl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 12:27 AM
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I won't push it further, but you should have just said that women have no understanding of what muscle looks like on men, similar to how men don't understand makeup, as another commenter stated. I don't doubt that, all other factors being equal, women would like a man with more muscle and more than 10% body fat. I just feel you should be careful with titles especially on this subreddit, because otherwise all the incels and bitter women will rush to argue about who lies more and try to win the vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 12:10 AM
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But my point is that women are not isolating the variables when they say that they don't like muscular men. They don't isolate the variables in general when they talk about attraction, otherwise no one would be confused about it. This is why I say your point is more semantic than literal, because women are not lying when they make these statements, any more than they are lying about wanting nice guys. I wouldn't consider their failure to properly articulate their point the same as lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 09:38 PM
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You really gotta learn how to use the internet, or at least Reddit. There is an auto translate feature that makes the entire post perfectly legible in English.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 08:59 PM
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Female attraction is to men who can provide them security, which typically means men with power. This isn't always reflected in physical power, so what women like can vary depending on how powerful they perceive the man to be. This is why women go for archetypes of men - they often have a "type" because they perceive that type to have the non-physical qualities that they want (regardless of how accurate their perception is). Men aren't like this - they might have fetishes, but their attraction t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 08:58 PM
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that men demand empathy: they constantly complain about their struggles and demand for women to soothe their rage, to pity and be empathetic. All women have men in their life who told one or more sob story to get something out of her. There are always pressure to be morally right, to give chance because someone is "nice", compromise their standards Women supposed to be understanding, and don't leave relationship after something happens. They have to compromise their happiness, and have a valid r…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 04:08 PM
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You can want to know more, without wanting to understand more. You need to broaden your perspective to access more information, but you need to deepen your perspective in order to understand how to apply this information. Being interested in analyzing why and how things and people work is necessary to manipulate these things and people. Women generally prefer to understand people, and men prefer to understand things. Men are also more interested in competing and developing technology and strateg…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 08:40 AM
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For some reason, it's become popular to be believe that dangerous behavior can be educated away. Those people have never met human beings that are actually dangerous. The trend would make more sense if they used wolves or other wild animals rather than domesticated dogs. But then of course it wouldn't be a trend. That being said, taking this stuff seriously is as nonsensical as making it. Some people like to produce art in their free time for others to enjoy, and some people produce ragebait, be…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 11:20 PM
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Not sure where you got that about women in church. If you’re in a bad denomination then maybe. I'm not Christian, so I don't have experience from being inside the church, but it's a common trope that Catholic school girls are the most promiscuous because they are repressed or something. Personally, the women that I've seen that are most vocal about their religion are more interested in salvation from judgment than spiritual learning. If you’re not religious, good luck because you probably should…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:04 PM
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Now the question just becomes where to find these women. You would think they would be religious, but the most cultishly religious women tend to be crazy in many ways and easily manipulated, and not as you described.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:23 PM
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In places like workplaces or public transit where you are around the same women for extended periods of time, ignoring them makes you look creepy like you don't belong there. It will also make you look like you have a problem with them if you talk normally to the men around them but not to them. After rereading what OP wrote, I wouldn't consider going about your daily business to be "avoiding" women. I was assuming he meant something like walking away from women in public spaces or ignoring them…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:17 PM
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Dude what are you talking about. Kids are fucking stupid and their personality isn't that valuable. What is sold to you as "developing the child personality" is, in most cases, just pampering them and refusing to teach. I don't see how this contradicts my point. I don't believe that raising a child in isolation is somehow better than sending them to school. I'm not talking about educating children by "developing" their personalities. I'll have to assume you are from this category too. Idk why yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:07 PM
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The fact that men are not bothered by stupidity in women doesn't mean women want mansplaining. By definition, mansplaining is unwanted. Men also don't want unwanted "venting" or complaining from a woman. The difference is that asking a man to explain something to you does not elicit frustration and disgust the way asking a woman to explain something does. Well sad for you, because women totally do that Women might offer silence for me to vent to them, but that doesn't mean that's what I want fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 04:01 PM
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I figured I might get some questions about that one. I didn't know what to call it, but basically only men are willing to explain concepts and teach women things, women seem to hate it when they have to do the same for men. Men aren't nearly as bothered by stupid women, as women are bothered by stupid men. Women also do not provide "emotional security" to men. A man being vulnerable makes women uncomfortable and they are not interested in taking on his problems. Women will allow men to vent like…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 08:21 AM
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Haha I knew I was gonna get flack for that one. The reality is that the most valuable "education" you receive in the schooling system is spending regular time with a large group of your peers socializing and learning with support infrastructure. The problem is, modern schooling is turning on even that modicum of education. When you are told how to think, "education" turns into brainwashing. Sure, having the chance to interact with your peers is worth nearly all the costs that come with the educa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 07:37 AM
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Well, that was my understanding of your post. I'm not sure what your point is otherwise - yes, people should do what is right and fair, except you're not the one they'll allow to decide what is right and fair for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:58 AM
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I'll do it. That being said, women have accused me of being gay multiple times, as a result of me declining their invitations.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:56 AM
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Yes, something like that. Women do not see it as their responsibility to manage a relationship. To them, a relationship just happens magically on its own somehow. Putting responsibility on them is adding a burden to them with no reward. If a man is unhappy by himself, the woman may or may not help him, but she won't do it out of obligation or a sense of responsibility, only out of care. If a man is unhappy because he wants his partner to do something - he will have to motivate her to do it. Tell…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:39 AM
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First of all, none of these issues are particular to women. Second of all, you're assuming that a liberal/leftist administration would not produce the same issues. Tax cuts for the rich - Democrats do this too, they just hire them and pay them with government money instead of going through the IRS. Dept of Education - you don't need resources to educate. You have the internet. Even so, if you want more choices for schooling, allow charter schools and shut down unions that force funds to the olde…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 05:33 AM
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What conservative policies, other than abortion, do you think are a danger to women as a whole? If you're talking about abortion, then avoiding sex with men will help you avoid unwanted pregnancies, but the woman is the one who will have the abortion so it doesn't matter who you have sex with. Also, women who choose to sleep with men who are not conservative, or even just sleep around in general, are not exactly the ideal wife of conservative men. Lastly, if you limit yourself only to men who wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:56 AM
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In terms of labor, I think women undeniably give more, not only to their partners but across all relationships, friends and family included. I don't know why men think they give more to women than they receive. Men almost never give other men anything. And giving a woman labor or money does not make her more interested in you, unless she's a prostitute. I think the problem is autistic men insist on objectively measuring things that cannot be measured, and conveniently ignore labor that they do n…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 12:55 AM
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Am I then in control of or responsible for how my partner feels when experiencing an issue? To put it simply, yes lmao. To break it down, she sees you as responsible for what she feels. You being in control of the issue, is dependent on your ability to manipulate how she feels, which is what most modern women look for in a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 10:58 PM
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Why? Feelings are important but how one party feels during the process of addressing the issue, is nowhere near as important as addressing the issue. how she feels about her issues whilst experiencing them, is secondary to the issue itself. I'm glad for you that you've found a woman who "feels" this way, but unfortunately for most women the second part of each of your sentences is incorrect. How the woman feels during the process of experiencing the issue, is the issue itself. If not, all I can …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 10:39 PM
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If you're talking about dread game, I'm not denying that it works, but you still have to do it indirectly. The woman has to feel like she came to the conclusion on her own - which is what makes it indirect. The more explicit you have to be, the more difficult it is for her to feel like she is the one making the decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 09:10 PM
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Her positive response is only a consideration if it contributes towards a mutually beneficial outcome. I'm not understanding what the alternative is here lol. Are you suggesting that threatening a woman with leaving, or threatening to take away something, will make her more enthusiastic about sex? In my experience, women being enthusiastic about sex is almost entirely related to how they feel about you generally, so trying to threaten or negotiate with them directly conflicts with them feeling e…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 08:53 PM
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You have to be careful about criticism with women in general. In general, women respond positively only to reinforcement, positive or negative, that pushes them to increase a behavior, not punishment or omission that pushes them to decrease a behavior. Men don't care about it either way and prefer direct communication. Having to tiptoe around a man is a sign that you should not be with him, because he is either abusive or not interested in what you want. The reason women do this is because they …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 08:37 PM
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Men can try, but women won't respond positively to the criticism. The better thing to do with women in general is reframe whatever the man wants her to do as something sexy that turns him on. If the woman isn't interested in the man's pleasure to begin with, the man would have to explain to her that his pleasure is an important part of their relationship, likely by using examples of how he makes her feel good. If the woman still doesn't show interest in what he wants, unfortunately all that will…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 07:40 PM
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Don't some men too? They do, and are criticized for it also. But that wasn't the point of the OP or my response. Men who cry about making stupid choices are criticized for it, and rightfully so. What men don't do is have a consensus that if they want love and a healthy relationship, the best way to get this is by paying for sex. Men on this sub who think that sex is the result of being very nice to a woman are criticized for it also, by both women and men. Whereas women who claim to want a healt…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:39 PM
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This will depend on your experience. I've absolutely seen women get a "spark" in their eyes once they find out that a man is rich or has a good job, while having treated him completely differently before knowing that information. I've seen this happen many times for other superficial qualities also. Like I said, if that's your definition of a spark, then you are right. I also have a bias because men don't generally talk about committing to or having sex with a woman because she is rich, so it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 06:04 PM
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My point was not that she can't feel the spark if he is rich, but rather that she can't feel the spark just because he is rich, but will still pursue him just because of that reason. Ultimately this is subjective as it depends on how you define "spark" and it seems we have a different idea of what that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:52 PM
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My understanding of "spark" is that it is something that is shared between people. If you are saying it only needs to be one-sided, then that indicates it's not an external standard imposed on the man, which to me actually appears to support my point even more: that women use arbitrary filters for what they claim to want in a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:40 PM
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I would say the standard for sex is actually higher within a relationship and particularly marriage, than outside of one. Just because you're married, doesn't mean your wife has less expectations from you sexually. The effort you put in before marriage, does not make the woman more sexually interested in you after marriage. The reason a man would be able to meet the standard for sex within a relationship, but not outside one, is not because his partner's expectations would be lower than a strang…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:32 PM
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In regards to the "spark", I suppose it depends on how you define it. If it's entirely one-sided and unrelated to the man's actions, then sure, what I said doesn't contradict the woman's desire. I would say that the "spark" would need to happen with some sort of involvement or action on the man's part, other than him simply peacocking and strutting around showing off. If she gets the "spark" just from a man saying he will pay for her, that just makes her a prostitute. In regards to the emotional…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 05:02 PM
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Some men on here are stupid and actually criticize women for having standards, but most men aren't criticizing women's standards, they are criticizing women's filters. Women will claim to want "an emotional connection", but then go for the man who sexually excites them as early in the relationship as possible. Women will claim to want a "spark", but go for the man ostentatiously displaying wealth, status, or power in the hopes to impress them or win them over through these things. Women will cla…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:42 PM
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Physically, 25-30. Some women's bodies take longer to develop than others', and they can be quite youthful even in their early 30s. Mentally, I think it will be different for everyone. I don't take women younger than me seriously, but I've also never dated women older than me, so I have no idea when they should be taken seriously, if ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:14 PM
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gotta chill with the hearts its sending a mixed message hmm It's okay, I will not be humiliated if I am your gay best friend But yeah I don't really have enemies or anything lol, just don't like to be deceived by people who are being fake or judge me on a superficial basis
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 04:10 AM
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this is why i mask as a regard Took me a good minute to realize this was a "typo", but yeah definitely story of my life also lol. Crazy how people feel comfortable openly sharing all their bigotry and dismiss your existence when they don't see you as a possible threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 03:23 AM
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Yeah I edited top comment, probably should have clarified that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:57 AM
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I don't think women are rewarding abusive behavior, because I think them rewarding behavior contradicts the idea that it is abusive. However the behavior that might later seem "abusive" to them, that they are initially rewarding, is: the man sexually exciting them as early in the relationship as possible the man ostentatiously displaying wealth, status, or power in the hopes to impress them or win them over through these things the man not wanting to learn more about them beyond the superficial …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 01:35 AM
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Idk what to tell you man. Part of masculinity is being able to have some degree of control over how you feel. And by control, I don't mean bottling it up and crying in secret, but taking time to introspect and build awareness of why you feel what you feel, what triggers you have and how to influence and manipulate them by shifting your own mindset. Women struggle with this for a variety of reasons so it's not expected from them. At the end of the day, humiliation is something you feel, not other…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 12:23 AM
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Well people who struggle with ego death will have a hard time with this. I think it would be fairly intuitive that you wouldn't have to actually become gay to fit into this role, but that might not apply to people confused about their own sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:53 PM
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I'm not understanding why the boring person would want to date or talk to other people in the first place, if they know that they themselves are boring and will inevitably reject the other person. The only reason to do so is if they are hoping that their looks will be enough to maintain a one-sided relationship indefinitely. In order to believe this, they would have to be both extremely attractive, and extremely stupid. Even then, after some time they would develop enough awareness, and ultimate…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:51 PM
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They aren't gonna jeopardize their power if they get power from you, but not everyone provides equal or useful benefits. If you're paying their rent every month "as a friend", then sure, they'll string you along, but if you don't do anything for them, they'll only keep you around if they actually enjoy being around you. Whatever it was that made you "friends" to begin with will continue on. As I mentioned above, women's ideas of platonic relationships are different from men's, so you'll have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:41 PM
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If we're gonna argue that women are human beings with agency, then it's up to them to determine what is "abusive" or not. If women are rewarding "abusive" behavior, does that mean moral behavior would require men to walk away, and that every relationship is abusive to the woman? It takes two to tango. Either the men and women in "abusive" relationships are choosing them over other "non-abusive" relationships they could be in, or they both are unable to have any other kind of relationship. If men…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:35 PM
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Because I'm talking about romantic interest from women, not a relationship status. Having a relationship means nothing, especially in modern times. Women will stay permanently in situatuonships where the interest is sufficiently high, and leave marriages with children, where it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:29 PM
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Basically how they will say things out loud that are politically correct, but their desire is often driven by things that are controversial. This extends to their other relationships - their friendships are rooted more so in what the women can do for each other, than whether they actually deeply like the other person. Women can absolutely be friends with and hang out with other women they don't like or even despise, or really like other women and men that they don't want to be around very often.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:16 PM
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Most people's fetishes are also constructed based on subjective cultural experiences. "Book boyfriends" and lusting over anime characters being some examples. Icks are self-programmed and not instinctual. Instinctual attraction and disgust are not radically volatile, you have pretty consistent markers for them and can "see" them coming. Saying "I didn't like him/her anyways" is not an ick. People who want to retroactively justify rejection typically don't use "icks" or other forms of disgust to …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 11:12 PM
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Men absolutely learn about female behavior from women who reject them but keep them around as friends. Women who truly do not see you as a romantic interest have no filter in sharing things with you that make you question your understanding of all your prior and current relationships with women. Weak, sensitive men in particular need this type of knowledge the most, so it's not smart for them to avoid it. Of course, their feminine nature means they can't handle it either, so they are doomed to r…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:31 PM
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Your lack of approach is still behavior that signals something to them. You cannot escape judgment for your behavior, and in many cases talking to women with the appropriate response is far less risky than ignoring them. That being said, you should not escalate with women romantically, but that doesn't mean you can't escalate with them in other ways. It just means that men have now become peacocks who will have to signal their desirability to women while being in proximity to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:24 PM
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You're conflating having an hormonal urge to have sex with a fear of being alone. One is "handled" relatively easily, the other requires external validation from a human being. When men say they have no other "choice", they mean that the choice is either be alone or engage in the behavior they do in order to get women. you still have the autonomy to choose who you spend your time with and who you befriend, what parts of the internet you delve and how you talk to or bond with others. If men have …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:20 PM
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You're missing her point lol. She's telling you that lack of validation and inability to express emotion IS the problem. Expressing emotions by definition is just expressing emotions. Yes and she's telling you this is what the majority, if not the entirety, of a relationship is. You can refuse to accept it if you don't want to, but you can't deny that she is directly telling you what she thinks lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:36 PM
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Rather than accept that they aren’t interesting and being more interesting will yield better results, they can double down and try to maintain a faulty sense of self worth by putting others down. I'm saying that having an ick is not a reactionary mechanism to the other person being perceived as better in some way. An "ick" is more so a disgust reaction to having been deceived in terms of expectations, like someone taking off a mask and revealing an ugly aspect of themselves underneath. People wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:30 PM
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This doesn't work as a compensatory mechanism because an "ick" is a disqualifier. People don't get with others due to lack of disqualifying characteristics, they get with others due to their qualifying characteristics. Despite the hype, sex and romance are not solo activities, they require active participation from both parties. Bringing the other person down in an asymmetric relationship might boost your self-esteem, but it doesn't make them more attractive to you or make you more attractive to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:10 PM
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Just saying something isn't equal to doing something When your role is performative, they are one and the same. When people want actual action from you, the illusion is that you can change or negotiate what they want from you. The only thing you can actually change is whether they think they are getting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 07:33 PM
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Awareness is not repair. Talking is not fixing. Leaving is not mastery. Until that distinction is faced head on, emotional depth will keep being mistaken for relationship skill, and instability will keep being mislabeled as empowerment. This is the only thing I disagree with. You presume that the goal of the relationship for women is something beyond emotional depth and variability, when the reality is these things are the relationship itself. This is why awareness is repair, talking is fixing, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 07:19 PM
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This leads us to the victim complex. Acknowledging that their personality is the problem means they actually have to change and that it is reasonable for people not to like them. Then they want to blame society for their failures I agree, victim mentality is bad. Blaming society for your own individual choices takes away from your own accountability, and people who are unsuccessful with them are usually unwilling to acknowledge their own role in contributing to the failure of a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 07:00 PM
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If a man has constant access to sex within a relationship, it's unlikely that he'll be unable to get it outside of the relationship. Casual sex is more freely available now than ever before. These men get married for the same reason these women stay married: the fear of starting over. If the women in these marriages lose that fear, they will leave the marriage. If the man in these marriages loses that fear, he will likely cheat before leaving the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:35 PM
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I think a lot of the frustration also comes from women’s lack of ability to articulate what they want. They say they want a nice guy and all the traits nice guys have (and to be fair I do believe they do want those traits). They just never say the quiet aka the traits they require for attraction You say this, but then explain exactly why they do it in literally the rest of the words the same sentence: (probably because it’s shameful, contradictory or seemingly misogynistic in nature). If so many…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:27 AM
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I don't think you're wrong, but I also don't think that contradicts what I said. Women want you to participate in their game, but not random games you decided in your own head. Trying to threaten a woman results in what you said: makes you seem like you dont know how to handle her. Autistic men will try to create a playbook or algorithms of behavior to follow to make a woman react in a predictable way, which doesn't work on quality women. Pretty much all you need to do with a woman is described …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 07:57 AM
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Men, to the extent they police each other, do so at an individual level. They are concerned with the agendas of individuals, not society as a whole. Men police actions, not behavior. I don't give a fuck how you behave, as long as you don't touch me or my people. Women are policing each other at a social level. They police behavior, not individual actions. Women don't give a fuck what you do, as long as it's not "weird" and in line with how "normal" people behave. Slap a man? It's ok if he "was a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 07:45 AM
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Women absolutely do police each other. Just not in a way that most of them would prefer. There's an old Italian film called Malena starring Monica Belluci where the protagonist is hated and harassed, for being too beautiful. Like the old Japanese proverb, the nail that stands out will get hammered in. Women definitely enforce conformity. The reason they don't appear to be "policing" each other is because the current cultural narrative is one of extreme "tolerance." But just try and suggest that …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 03:09 AM
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Yes, similar to how men are becoming porn and video game addicts, women are becoming social media validation addicts. The ones who are unable to prioritize their romantic relationships in real life, will not have them in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:54 AM
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As one of those men why wouldn't I or shouldn't I be upset at this? Because you should believe them when they show you that they don't care about your explanation. They are not interested in understanding your predicament. Whatever they are saying about you or other men not trying is an expression of their personal desires, not a reflection of them wanting to understand the men that they are talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:51 AM
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The fact is that men pursue women and not the other way around, even for supposedly "equal" pairings. For various reasons, women either ignore or completely dismiss the effort and risk involved for a man to pursue a woman, and assume that the man's investment in the relationship begins at the moment of the woman's acceptance of the man. Basically, they judge effort based on results. If you're not getting women (results), they think you must not be doing anything at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:45 AM
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The original feminists sought to fight against patriarchal notions of "delicate" and "sensitive" women who were unfit and incapable of doing "men's work". The great irony is that modern feminists and tradcons now align in their views that women are utterly helpless victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:32 AM
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I'm stumped at how a man can claim to hate music, functions, gatherings, kickbacks, beer, wine, cocktails, people in general, and kinetic energy... and expect to magically be the "hook up" guy. This Red Pill guy's comment posited it too. FWIW and since I am the guy who commented that, full disclosure: I am an extreme introvert who doesn't drink and I generally hate gatherings with loud music, clubbing, and people in general. I will say that I like music (I play some instruments), just not in clu…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 12:51 AM
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It's not their fault the dudes don't listen, it is their fault that they continue to pursue and maintain relationships with men who don't listen to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:47 PM
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Never wrote specifically about you. Maybe grow a pair and stay away from my kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:46 PM
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People in relationships navigate them to the extent they feel is viable for the relationship. The people who don't are the ones complaining about dating and relationships. I don't have a problem understanding what people want. I understand that most people do not care to understand the world around them and are more interested in complaining about each other. Why else would you post on a sub specifically for dating issues, that dating is not a problem for most people?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:46 PM
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Indeed. You can't have specialized intellect or musical ability unless you're an autistic savant. You have to go to a special psychotherapist to resolve you of your childhood trauma in order to overcome your insecurities. As you stick your dick into more vaginas, the vaginal fluid transmits confidence through your dick which rewires your neural network. In fact the only way to change your mental state is through years of brutal training and psychological evaluation, mastery over your own body is…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:39 PM
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The one who insists that I'm not being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:48 PM
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A simp is a man who is overly agreeable with women he dates and engages in people-pleasing behavior with them to his own detriment. Desperation for women or his woman in particular is usually a major factor in this behavior. I don't think calling a man a simp is misandry because it's targeted towards that specific man, not men in general. Simp is a derogatory term that implies a man is not manly, so it could fall under misandry if that fits your definition. I think men frown upon "treating a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 06:37 PM
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women are just women and don't owe us to teach us how a man should date, act, think, speak or behave Actually, women do owe us that. The reason they didn't before was because the patriarchy enforced gender roles. If you're gonna argue that women aren't a monolith, everyone has individual preferences and that sexuality is fluid and different for each person, then each person has to teach their partner their sexuality. That's actually part of consent and the whole basis of communicating about sex …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 05:18 PM
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I as making a joke about bodybuilders, but men rating each other is more of a blackpill thing. I know it's a concept of self-improvement to go the gym and look good, and has been promoted in red pill, but I actually think it shouldn't be considered a "red pill" concept. If you want to bang supermodels, but don't see how being 500 lbs (and not a strongman) is interfering with said goal, that's more of a mental functioning issue than something related to "sexual strategy." Personally, I feel like …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:34 PM
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Well, there's a reason "red pill" and "blue pill" exist. But I also think this is a common misinterpretation of what most people are trying to do when they tell you that being "nice" or working on your personality gets you women. Most people are not interested in what works for getting women. Most people, are not even interested in whether you understand what they are saying. Most people who tell you these things are saying it as a bid for validation or to reassure themselves that the way they f…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:20 PM
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No lol. Even if it's true, it doesn't negate the first one. People can get upset at all sorts of things that have no basis in reality, and often do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:08 PM
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I think this definitely gets muddied a lot in how women complain. If you focus on how women complain, then nothing "gets muddied a lot." It's all mud. Obviously the quality is their question, and they have extra risks, etc. But no, a decent looking woman isn't really not qualified in this same way. I get the impression that the dudes complaining are not willing to marry an obese troll. As you mentioned in the OP, "it takes an open mind not to see these experiences at odds with each other", becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:02 PM
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Everybody except you seems to know it's a lie. Do you think women only get upset at things that are "true?" Or that everybody means the same thing when they say "nice"? I only said why women are upset. Are you sure you're not a female British news anchor?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:38 PM
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Red pillers generally understand that men can do things to attract women other than sit around and look pretty. What do you think red pill is? I know people on this sub like to think redpillers are a bunch of men rating each other sexually and trying to negotiate with prostitutes, but most redpillers are not bodybuilders. If I make up terms then "feminist" means lesbian women with penis envy who want trans children. Black pill is the one that's all about looks. Red pill means that women want mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 03:18 PM
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I'd argue the majority of the contribution comes from the men themselves. Women are upset about men not being nice as a disqualifier from a romantic relationship, whereas men are upset that being nice does not qualify them for a romantic relationship. This would be like men complaining about not wanting to date single moms and obese women, and women being upset that not being fat and/or not having children doesn't automatically get them a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 10:49 AM
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Nah, you have to keep things soft here. Suggesting that women could be wrong is socially unacceptable. I even got downvoted for mentioning that it's socially unacceptable lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 10:27 AM
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In this case, I am specifically referring to what OP is talking about, groping and other types of sexual assault. If you believe that you can criticize women publicly without backlash, I'll not argue with you. You can likely figure out on your own why so many men believe this, and probably don't need my help. I'll not contradict you if you think it's because random angry men on the internet are really good at convincing each other of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:54 AM
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There's also an increase in males with these sorts of issues. The other factor I didn't include in my previous comment is that women are only really punished socially by other women, men are not allowed to publicly reprimand them in most situations. So if women aren't correcting certain behavior in other women, it will go unchecked. Men don't have this issue because they are punished socially by women and punished physically by men if they violate boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:25 AM
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Uh oh. That means I've been living in a deluded fantasy for years now. Thanks for waking me up
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 09:14 AM
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Women having the option to explore their sexuality in ways they didn't before, means they will inevitably make mistakes in ways they didn't before. It'll be up to them to police themselves, and they ultimately will, like the example of the furries that you gave.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 08:49 AM
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Theres no way you believe this. Unless delusional a fresh basketball player isnt gonna be confident in a NBA game. I generally try to avoid arguing things like this with people because it's too terrifying to their psyche, so I'll just say yes normal people need experience to be confident. However, in theory, how confident you are can be completely detached from reality. This is generally how psychopathic narcissists operate. In general people and women in particular judge you on how authentic yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:31 AM
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You're saying that women's terms result in dating problems? I disagree. If you give women what they want, they will reward you. It's just that what they want might be the opposite of what they say, and it's usually up to the man to figure it out. Also, it isn't necessary to repeatedly try in actuality to develop confidence. You can have confidence without ever trying, or try a million times and have less confidence than a man who's only tried a handful of times. But people don't like to believe …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:12 AM
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In the end, all relationships are reciprocal. You do what you feel is fair, consciously or unconsciously, or adjust the relationship until it becomes fair, which sometimes means leaving it altogether. If you're talking about women as a whole, I wouldn't say they are the cause of dating problems, they are just the limiting factor. If women are the cause of dating problems, then they are also the cause of dating benefits. Women set the terms and men follow them. The cause of dating problems is eit…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:03 AM
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You need power to offer security.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 12:22 AM
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Women aren't asserting themselves not because of rejection but because of VIOLENCE that women face at the hands of men. I'm talking about women competing economically and in political and social structures. Most men will ALSO avoid asserting themselves out of fear of physical violence from other men (or women). How do you think men operate with each other in work environments? Do you think the world is just like Worldstar and most men are constantly "asserting themselves" by getting into fistfig…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 09:15 PM
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I think their concern is the financial obligation and not that they want their child to die horribly. Kids don't need thousands of dollars a month to thrive. They need time and a lot of interest from parents, but current laws punish the parent who earns more. As women continue to earn more, we'll likely see more women who are interested in lowering of support for two reasons: 1) they won't want to provide child support to the father and 2) the men they want to have children with will only be int…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 08:12 PM
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Technically, the parents could give their children up for adoption or to the state if they don't want the child. If they watch it helplessly die then they will be charged with murder and child neglect and go to prison. Children possess rights to parental obligation, not care. A lot of people are shitty parents without doing illegal things.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 07:43 PM
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Humans have evolved to couple to take care of children. Even in progressive societies, children still overwhelmingly benefit from growing up with their biological parents, and suffer from the introduction of a stepparent into the family unit. With the rise of birth control and casual sex, what's essentially happening is that formal coupling solely for sexual needs is going away altogether. However, sexuality is deeply biologically rooted in having children. There isn't really any way to decouple…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 06:54 PM
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You made reference to a specific religious ideology that actively suppresses women, that did not historically originate from white or white adjacent people. This makes you a bigot of the Islamophobic variety. You should clear your name by declaring that patriarchy is only a result of those ideologies that are propagated by rich white men, and never historically existed anywhere else in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 06:41 PM
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Uh oh, you said the no-no. I'm sure what you meant was that all male refugees are peaceful feminists who just happen to be confused about the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 06:24 PM
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Ignoring your girl when she texts you or when shes mad, being hyper transactional, and making her constantly dread you cheating on her is a really good way to scare off any girl who had a halfway decent father figure. This is true, but not necessarily redpill behavior. This is how autistic men interpret redpill, as a series of algorithms and rules to follow, and then get confirmation bias from the bipolar women that this works on. You shouldn't ignore a woman's emotions, but you should ignore wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 06:17 PM
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I'm not looking for a cheat code. I understand what women want. My point was that the behavior I described is typical of women, not just the ones who are "desperate." It may not be physiologically or psychologically innate for them to treat men the way they do, but it's the norm in modern society. If these women are "desperate", then the overwhelming majority of women are "desperate." And to go back to the original comment upthread, my point was that this has nothing to do with red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 05:23 PM
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Men decentering women is obviously a problem for society, because despite feminists trying to scream and shout that they're just like men, anyone with half a brain can see that women will absolutely not pursue men romantically. Men decentering women means economic destruction due to a plunge in reproduction. At an individual level, the men who say that they are emasculated or can't control their sexual impulses, likely do so because they have decentered all other means of masculinity from their …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 05:10 PM
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I kind of knew you would say that, you've indicated it in other posts. I was hoping for a useful suggestion, but I guess that's not really your concern. People are shifting to online dating now more than ever. I attempted to date through social circles in college and for a few years out of it, but I was not experienced enough to understand the skills this required. Regardless, this is a matter of perspective. You say all the women on OLD are desperate for not taking interest in a prospective par…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:54 PM
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By that definition, I have met literally only a handful of women that were not "desperate", out of hundreds of women I've talked to. Virtually all of these women were from online dating apps, which means they were picking me, not the other way around. If you think all women on OLD are "desperate", how would I find women who were not "desperate"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:27 PM
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They all knew I was unemployed. My periods of unemployment were the only time I had enough time to offer women the attention they needed to feel secure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:14 PM
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The problem is that the term "status" is often conflated with "education" and "career" or even "income". Women are absolutely attracted to higher status men. A man's income, education, and career have no effect on a woman's attraction. These are simply indicators of status, and are not attractive in and of themselves. We had a post recently about a man who went to school for software engineering but now works a blue collar job as an engineer to drive trains and makes 250k+ but gets little attent…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:09 PM
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I've never been on a date with a woman who gave a fuck about my job, or my hobbies and interests beyond what attracted her to me. In fact, most women never asked me questions about myself in general. The overwhelming majority of women I dated never discovered that I spoke multiple languages, played multiple instruments, or even which video games I played. They dismissed me academically to men that knew less than me (they never asked about my degrees or education) and physically to men that were …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 03:57 PM
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Most of what you said assumes that women are wired to compete just like men are, if not better. The truth is that men compete for status and are willing to risk losing status or facing rejection for the possibility of increased status, whereas rejection is a terminal outcome for women that they are wired to avoid at all costs, as historically it meant death. Post-industrial society stripped away the conditions that made male dominance functional. Protection is institutional. Provision is abstrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 03:41 PM
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What are these complaints that have reversed? How it used to be harder for a woman to find a relationship or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 05:33 AM
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Superficial characteristics are only a limiting factor if you are using OLD, or if you have to attract the woman to interact with her. There are other scenarios where you can display qualities to attract the woman later on in your interaction with her. Also, does a woman's personality (or her n-count) really have no effect on your attraction to her? If it does, then you can see how your non-physical qualities would affect her attraction to you. If it doesn't, then there isn't really anything I c…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 03:34 AM
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I believe that even for pregnancy that occurs due to medical mishaps (doctors somehow giving a pregnant woman the impression that she is not pregnant), in the U.S. you could only sue the medical facility for the costs of the pregnancy and birth of the child, as the child acquires rights when it is born and is treated as separate from issues related to its birth and the mother's pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 03:19 AM
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My favorite is when they call you gay for turning them down. They just can't fathom a man having standards, or even worse, them not meeting his. Easier to handle a failed attempt at seducing a gay man, than the idea that they should offer more than sex for your attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 02:03 AM
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You don't really have to if you understand that women don't actually care about 80%ish of the things they express. The war is more internal, against your own natural impulse to alleviate a woman crying, screaming or otherwise complaining. Once you understand that most of what they say is equivalent to gibberish from a toddler, you can focus on what they actually care about and the majority of the problems go away. It's just psychologically disturbing to treat a grown woman with an adult body the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 10:54 PM
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When presented with only superficial characteristics, women will have higher standards than men, but this doesn't mean that their attraction is as rooted in superficial characteristics as men's is, it only means they are more selecttive. When presented with no information about a partner's body, men will still be more willing to have sex with a stranger than women will, but that doesn't mean men are more sexually attracted to non-physical elements than women are, just that they are less selectiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:35 PM
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Feminized enough to be insecure and feel no shame in displaying it to the world, while also being self-centered enough to be unable to conceive that other people (in this case women) could be different from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:24 PM
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You ask a variation of these questions every other week. The answer is always the same: those men are not "redpilled." The red pill is about trying to understand female sexual strategy, not argue with women about why their sexuality is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 08:47 PM
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The problem is that "nice guys" generally refers to men that want to weasel their way into sex by being nice, and are discovered to be "nice guys" when they are rejected by women. As you stated in the OP: We can all see how this behavior would be jarring and off putting for a woman and not conducive to healthy long term relationships. Whereas if "nice girls" are defined as: Women who come off as nice for as long as they believe they can get something out of the relationship or interaction. They …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 08:41 PM
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I agree that it makes no sense. Men generally don't say this for two reasons: Women's bodies play a bigger role in their attractiveness to men than men's bodies do in their attractiveness to women The women who use this phrase feel victimized, so they don't see the encounter as a mutual exchange. The idea that women could "use" a man contradicts the cultural narrative that they have no agency are instead at the mercy of the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 08:07 PM
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Do these guys just lack any level of self-awareness whatsoever? Most people do. Here's the thing,...how did men not only fall for this, but take pride in doing so? From as young an age as I can remember I could see that this was blatantly unfair and was quite infuriated with being conditioned to seeing myself as women's servant/army/ATM punching bag. Men, like women, seek social validation (though not to the same degree). If a role provides them with social approval, they will take it on, even i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 05:14 PM
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Women should not feel like Yes, they should petition the local committee controlling their feelings. Also, by this logic, short and poor men should not feel like they have to settle. Since there are more of those, I propose we begin with these men first.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:34 PM
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From what I see, Tate is trying to sell general self-help to men and mostly talks about making money, and Clavicular seems to talk about physical looks. What "advice" are they giving that is meant to be taken literally? Women are not that complicated if you pay attention to them, so there isn't much "advice" to give about them. The only reason people who talk about them are popular is because it's controversial to publicly question anything women say, even when it directly contradicts itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:24 PM
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Well if by truth you mean literal advice then I'd say his most common message is "no one is coming to save you." I watched Tate because he was funny, not because I desperately wanted to know how to hire prostitutes, so I don't remember much of what he said. The point of what I wrote was that it's the people taking him literally that are being autistic in their agenda to victimize themselves. The value that Tate provides to his audience is saying things that other people cannot publicly say, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:16 PM
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As others have mentioned, redpill is theory, not a social movement. But I'll also add that publicly stating anything that doesn't conform to women's understanding of the world is seen as a threat to women, regardless of how rational or objective that belief is. If men are interested, they will find the truth. Trying to break someone out of their chosen delusion is not only difficult, but dangerous to the person seen as threatening their identity. I'm not interested in sacrificing myself to try a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:28 PM
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Women want their interest in you to happen spontaneously and magically. Knowing that it consciously happened ruins the fantasy that it was magical romance and makes it seem like something that was artificially created. This is why stating your interest at any time before they are interested is a problem. Additionally, believing that people have agency over their feelings creates a responsibility to manage them, which women hate doing. So they prefer to believe that they and others have no choice…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:19 PM
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I haven't seen much of Clavicular, but Tate is a performance artist. He takes truisms and makes them entertaining by saying them in ridiculous and offensive ways. He's anything but autistic; it's in fact his detractors who take what he says literally and insist that everyone else should do so also and condemn his "views". If you feel that a particular influencer is popular despite offering no value, seek to understand what it is that others see in them, that you are missing, before deciding that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 05:52 AM
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If the man's relationship benefits him, it opens up more time for him to pursue other elements of his life that make him attractive. If it drains him, it takes away from time for the same. In regards to your example, a man who is playing the field is only attractive to women as long as they don't know that he actually is playing the field, and merely think that he can play the field. Even then, a woman will likely not take him seriously for a relationship if she doesn't think he will be serious …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 12:56 AM
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As the world globalizes through the internet, physical location becomes increasingly irrelevant to shared culture. That being said, it's not about where you are located physically, but what sorts of people you are proximal to. Whether it's through your job, hobbies, or family, the people you are tied to or choose to tie yourself to will influence who you have access to and even the standards that potential partners will judge you by. Most people are not sitting around in bars and clubs waiting f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 12:15 AM
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I suppose technically there is nothing contradictory as I initially described, it's just something that I think would be extremely rare and have never seen myself. Usually people have some awareness of how they feel, just not necessarily the degree to which they anticipate their feelings will affect them. I still don't believe in "the friendzone", unless the "zoned" friend is both sufficiently autistic and the friend doing the "zoning" is sufficently manipulative. It's never a combination that I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 10:58 PM
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It's almost like they hate conflict and seek to avoid it. Wonder why they would be like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 10:38 PM
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Women don't like arguing or debating in general. They use communication as a means of expression, not problem-solving. This is why they love to vent and hate receiving solutions. The irony is that you'll likely see this even in their responses here (which I'm sure you were aware of when you made this post). https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11109-020-09614-5 There are many, many studies on the communication differences between men and women, but ultimately women are more concerned with …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 10:31 PM
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People and relationships are complicated. I don't actually disagree with most of what OP says. It's definitely possible to find yourself in a situation that you couldn't have seen coming. My issue is more so that it happening more than once or twice in your lifetime, indicates that for whatever reason you are suppressing or avoiding patterns of your own attraction. I would feel the same way if a woman repeatedly fell in love with her friends. Ultimately it's just the phrasing "9 times out of 10"…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 10:21 PM
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It's true that it's possible OP is talking about one-off incidents for men, but then I don't understand why he says "9 out of 10 times" that this is the case. He's also talking about demisexual men who need a connection to feel the attraction, but then he frames it as something unpredictable that they couldn't have seen coming. Ultimately, I believe it's contradictory to think that you have no awareness of your attraction until a woman randomly makes you feel it, at which point it becomes so pow…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 09:48 PM
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Knowing this it makes sense that as he gets to know her, has more good times with her, emotionally connects with her he naturally develops feelings for her Back in the day, people used the term "friend" to mean a person that they enjoyed getting to know, having good times with, and and emotionally connecting with. I guess men no longer do these things with their "friends" out of fear they'll want to have sex with them or become gay. It seems times have changed. a lot of men arnt attracted to a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 09:21 PM
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I agree with pretty much everything you're saying. To clarify, I think all of it actually supports and expands on what I said in my original comment upthread.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 06:46 PM
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I suppose this is a question of blame; I don't think the problem lies with the existence of the small minority, but rather the silent majority enabling them. As the poem by Niemoller goes: First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 06:01 PM
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Somewhat consistent with that sentiment, men self-delete with more "success" than women do due to using more lethal means than women do. I think it's valid to believe that men act on their "discontent" more often than women do, but I don't see where it's clear that these actions involve them "making it everyone else's problem." Again, yes men are more violent than women, but only a small minority of men act out violence, as compared to an even smaller minority of women who do. Men as a whole do …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 05:55 PM
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I mean, yeah, if your whole point was just that men are on average more violent than women, but you agree that men are also more necessary than women to mitigate this violence...I don't think that's a very controversial take, but thanks for the PSA lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 05:33 PM
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There's a reason I said "men as a whole". I believe being necessary for a functioning society is in diametric opposition to being dangerous to society. My argument is that the majority of men are necessary for society, with a small minority being a threat to it. I am not disputing that disgruntled men being violent is a valid concern, but I am pointing out that the problem with men being lonely and discontent is that it disincentivizes the majority of men to protect society from the minority of …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 05:19 PM
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I think men make their discontent or primal impulses everyone else's problem. They externalize it more, women internalize it more. Plenty of research on this. I'd like to see this research, I see women complain more and more loudly than men about nearly everything. Unless you are just saying that men act on their discontent more, but I wouldn't call that "making it everyone else's problem". You can act to solve your problems without bothering or disturbing others, in fact you usually have to pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 05:00 PM
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As you mentioned, I think most women who make this argument are not arguing in good faith but are just using it as a means to shame men for not doing something they want. People who believe that you can actually protect someone else from violence have spent their whole lives in a civilized society where they have no concept of physical violence. The best way to naturally "protect" yourself from violence is to shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of the situation. The men and women you see perfo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:40 PM
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First we have to be clear on the definition of feminism as equal rights for men and women. Anything else becomes a convoluted mess that is virtually impossible to logically trace. Even by this definition, it's impossible to have a legal framework that truly equalizes all rights available to men and women, due to the fact that women, being, you know, women, can get pregnant and produce children. It seems that this is one cornerstone of your argument, seeing as you suggest that it was only women's…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 09:12 AM
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There is this thing called marriage that tends to solve that problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 08:36 AM
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One of the big problems with facial attractiveness is that "averageness" is a big factor, which means that people will find the most attractive faces to be a composite of all the faces from their culture or environment. However, with modern access to the internet and social media, it's not clear what the "culture" that is being averaged is. That on top of people having different preferences for feminine or masculine faces adds another layer of complexity. I once read a study (that I can't find n…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 07:24 AM
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Confident and trustworthy people will say they are confident and trustworthy. So will insecure and untrusworthy people. I don't think you're disagreeing with me here. that includes the belief you are confident...but your definition excludes that I said confidence is an internal quality, I'm not seeing how my definition excludes believing in your own confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:01 AM
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I think you forgot to account for the fact that attraction is subjective. "Unattractive" is a judgment made by the other person. And if you've spent enough time on the internet, you'll discover that one man's flaws are another man's...depraved fetish. Also, wanting to have sex with someone, and loving someone, are two very different things. Or at least they used to be a very long time ago when people knew what gender/species/entity they were.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:56 AM
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I don't see why the need for socialization is something that would not be present in children. If anything, children need it more than adults. I'm actually saying that the only reason children don't suffer from this loneliness is because their environment naturally forces them to socialize as they are dependent on living with family and going to school.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:52 AM
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That may be part of it, but these men were children at one point, and they weren't pair bonded at that time but still had social connection. I think lack of family is the problem, but I don't see why "family" would only include the man's romantic partner and his children.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:43 AM
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I've always found it ironic that people who have a problem with autistic men asking questions, take everything Andrew Tate says literally.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:33 AM
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I agree that it's not truly about sex or dating, but true to my flair, I'd argue it's about the punishment of public displays of masculinity. Masculine behavior is increasingly being deemed "toxic" in public settings. Saying a joke that is mildly offensive can get you shunned from a social group, trying to explain something to a coworker who doesn't understand is labeled "mansplaining", and even public discussion of dating experiences between men is seen as something inexcusable if it suggests w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:28 AM
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You should try reading the post before you comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:17 AM
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analyze to what extent some men believe it's gay or not masculine to have close friends and self impose restrictions on sharing their emotions There's never been a historical basis for this, so I'm definitely curious if any men actually believe this
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:12 AM
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My comments on here tend to be indirect because most posts are long-winded complaints with claims hidden in them somewhere for the reader to discover. But I'll try to clarify: Confidence is an internal quality that is independent of external validation. It can be rational or irrational, but it is not rooted in what others think, by definition. This also means that confidence is naturally tested (otherwise known as "shit-tests" in redpill lingo) by others, in this case by women, to see whether it…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:11 PM
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Glad to hear it worked out, thanks for sharing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:23 PM
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Would you have married these men or was it understood that the relationship had a time limit? I'm also assuming that you found the men equally, if not more attractive than other men your age at that time, but please correct me if that's wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:11 PM
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Women having more status or power would not increase men's attraction to them, so there would be no reason for them to compete for those things. Competition as a psychological behavior extends far beyond sexuality in men, so merely being more sexual wouldn't increase this in women, unless you are suggesting that they also got all the behavioral changes that come with increased testosterone, and not increased sexual arousal itself. If anything, women compete with other women by making access to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 09:17 PM
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It seems all of a sudden all the "direct communicators" are justifying why they have to play games in order to intentionally avoid "accidentally" having sex with the wrong person and then "falling into" a bad relationship that they couldn't have seen coming and instead had to use their intuition to avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 08:44 PM
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It won't be gynocentric once it comes under authoritarian control. It'll just be weakened enough to allow authoritarian actors to come in, who will likely be religious fundamentalists (and not the Christian kind). Although there are many, the most glaringly obvious one is women's hypergamous drive and men's drive to compete. Social feminism dictates that men and women should be egalitarian, which is acceptable for individual actions (in this context, hooking up) but incompatible with women wanti…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 08:16 PM
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That's ableist language that vilifies people who struggle with mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 07:47 PM
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There are issues with a gynocentric society beyond merely "getting laid." One of the major ones is women handing over individual freedom to big daddy government in the form of censorship and authoritarian control for perceived "safety." The other one is the gradual erosion of gender as a concept, which comes in conjuction with the promotion of sexuality to minors. But those political issues aside, both sexes being "equally attracted to each other" would not change the fundamental psychological d…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 07:42 PM
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There's no shortage of characters on this sub. I think that's at least part of why we're all here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 06:23 PM
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Mentally sound [men] aren't afraid to abandon a [woman] who treats them like crap, we welcome it 🙂. So you welcome "dread game?" Does that mean you are all bipolar?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 04:56 PM
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Not sure what you are saying "works." If you're talking about a woman being aware that you are not her slave, I'd say that generally works in all relationships, or at least all meaningful ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 04:05 PM
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You are the one insisting that, acknowledging that the other person would have some wants and desires from you, somehow means that you have to transform who you are at your core. For men, it literally just means understanding what sorts of things you want from a relationship, not what character you need them to transform into. This information tells the other person things they would have to do in the relationship, and allows them to judge whether they want to do those things. I don't know why y…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:57 PM
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By this logic, any rights are not an idea but instead technology. Feminism is indeed an idea, one that is aided with technology, but the assumption that women have rights, does not require you to have the technology to violently enforce them. It helps to actually enact those rights, but it's not inherently ontologically necessary. In theory, men could give women rights without any imposition of violence or need for enforcement by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:23 PM
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Most of the people who hate on age gap relationships frame it as an issue of power imbalance, not necessarily a looks imbalance. Of course, having seen the "maturity" that supposedly comes with age, this is not a convincing argument, and a typical example of Schrodinger's feminism, with the woman simultaneously being helpless and empowered. Nevertheless, the majority of hate is towards the "immature" man's supposed inability to get with a real "mature" woman his age.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:18 PM
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In my experience this is true, and why "dread game" is a thing. Give a woman an inch and she'll take a mile. The only sustainable alternative to a woman walking over you is the woman somehow being aware that you can leave any time the relationship isn't working for you. Of course, being "single" works essentially the same way; women will treat you as a human being and not their property, so long as they think they have to earn enough favor for you to agree to enter into a relationship with them.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:07 PM
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Women are more superficial in what they filter, but it's not exactly the same, because they're not pursuing men. If you knew how to plug into a woman's psychology, you can see that they'll often even date men who look like trolls or goblins as long as these men make them feel the right way. It's just that to get to them you have to bypass their superficial filters for romantic relationships, likely by going through their superficial interests (music, gossip, social validation, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:57 PM
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You are conflating "caring about and changing my behavior due to" the other person's perspective with realizing they have one at all. Women understand perfectly there's another man involved. That doesn't in and of itself create an onus or burden on us to change to whatever that person wants. No, I believe you when you say you don't care. I just find it strangely narcissistic or at best solipsistic to interact with other human beings and not care what they think or feel. Edit: Okay, you added "du…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:37 PM
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My favorite is Gretchen's line from suits. It's the last 10 seconds but this is the shortest clip I could find: https://youtube.com/shorts/E_kVUkR95g8?si=cWWMIJ54RkhfNTeB
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:25 PM
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There is always the option to walk away. People cheat when they are too desperate to give up the relationship but also unsatisfied by it. People will cheat in order to get what they are desperate for. Men and women who got into the relationship desperate for sex will cheat if they don't get it. Men and women who are desperate for emotional validation will cheat if they don't get it in the relationship. Anybody can cheat if what they want is cheap enough and what they offer is cheap enough. Men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:20 PM
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Sexuality is not toxic. Sexuality is the desire for connection in a dynamic roleplay. Wanting to only satisfy one role in a relationship that is inherently polarized and requires both yin and yang, is what is toxic. Sheer sexual passion, where your soul feels ablaze, is not about stability, security, familiarity. It can coexist with those things, but again, that's difficult. The more intense it is, the more you lose yourself (in the moment). Not only can it coexist with those things, they are ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 01:42 PM
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You're incapable of actually thinking from any other perspective Not my problem to vet myself from a man's perspective, It's interesting that you suggest I can't understand your perspective, then directly admit that you don't care about mine. It actually confirms that women judge reality through their own internal feelings and explains how they so often become repeat targets for predators. I know a lot of women don't realize this, but there's a human being actively participating on the other end…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 01:33 PM
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why should I give anything before he proves that he actually likes me? The flaw in your argument, as others have pointed out, is that it's not a reciprocal arrangement. Why should the man give anything before you prove that you actually like him? Does this mean you'll have sex before going on the "date" and the date is only for him to prove how much he likes you? A lot of men would (and have) taken that deal lol. If the above is not the case, then you're looking for an asymmetrical relationship.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 01:03 PM
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Like other people have said, "confidence" is not running around telling people you are confident. Would you believe someone is trustworthy because they told you "just trust me bro"? If so, I have a great investment deal for you. The other thing about confidence is that it means you don't run screaming and crying every time a woman questions it. Kind of like how bravery and courage mean standing up to an enemy, not informing people you are brave and then running away the second you get scared.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 12:46 PM
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Technically, women don't like to admit much of anything... I'd argue that women love validation far more than they care to admit. As far as actual human men, I think women will "admit" to loving them where it's socially acceptable to do so, and deny loving them where it isn't. I don't think what they say has much to do with what they feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 05:23 AM
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Like, yeah it's funny and epic to dunk on a confused young man that can't understand why he cant get laid like some manosphere grifter pretends to; or an equally confused young woman that can't understand why she can't findom a finance bro and become a stay-at-home pilates gf These are not equally unreasonable things to want. The young man is not upset that he can't have a harem of women at his disposal, he's upset that women actually believe that a 6'5" finance bro will wife them up after seein…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:32 AM
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Why would we want to live in a world where women bow to the demands of violent men? Go get em, Lilith. From Babylon, our freedom fighter has arrived.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 02:02 AM
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I guess I don't agree with the fundamental premise that most of these laws are biased against men. This is a social bias, not a legal one, and will need a social reckoning to correct, not individual men leading on ugly women in some sort of redpill terror cell, only to bait and switch them after years of life as a sleeper agent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:13 PM
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What is the point of wanting to destroy feminazis? They are destroying themselves. No one is jealous of them and seeking to emulate them, other than women who have the same problems as them. This is like trying to destroy the body positivity movement by finding fat people to insult. Just give them Ozempic and they'll be doing your work for you in a couple months.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:06 PM
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I don't think it makes sense to be best <Looks, Money, Status> man to empower a system that disenfranchises you. It's like competing to be the best slave. Whats the point? I mean, you're not empowering a system that disenfranchises you. No one is forcing you to shout feminist rhetoric or date women you don't want to, the point is access to the women that you want. Collateral damage isn't sexy, but I'm not trying to be sexy. The goal is to burn everyone involved. My point was that behaving in thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:00 PM
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Ethics aside, this type of sabotage has a major problem: in the act of "sabotage", you also sabotage yourself. Not only is this detrimental in and of itself for degrading you as a person, it also makes you less competitive in the sexual marketplace. Even if those two reasons are not enough, the main issue is also that this is not scalable as a political strategy. Kamikazing your way through women is a corrosive act that burns everyone involved, and then some. Collateral damage isn't sexy. You sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 09:28 PM
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I am talking about status being a positive factor in women's attraction. Measuring attraction or disgust based on lack of qualities does not make sense. However, to respond to your comment: Being gorgeous is a major factor for both men and women. Looks aside, take away "rich" and the answer absolutely becomes yes, women would turn down a man who does not have social approval. It's far less likely that a man would turn down a woman for not being rich, intelligent, funny, or liked by other people.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 07:14 PM
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Yeah, it's a victim mentality. The idea is that they are helpless to resist their impulses and so are subject to what society imposes on them. The idea that other people have self-control takes away the defense that being helpless is innate and forces them to reckon with the possibility that they have chosen the life they have. It's a threat to their identity, which is why a seemingly harmless act provokes such a hostile reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 07:02 PM
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Thanks for being a voice of reason on here. People talk about virginity like it's always forced and not by choice. No, some people just assign a different kind of meaning to sex and choose not to view it transactionally, and instead make it something meaningful that they wouldn't be comfortable rushing into with someone they don't see as their life partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:33 PM
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I shouldn't respond, because you seem to be more interested in publicly proclaiming your hate for men, but it seems you didn't read my last paragraph: The examples you gave assume that the man or woman being "upfront" has ulterior motives to begin with. In which case, yes, men or women who seek to manipulate you, will not be upfront about their intentions with you. The reason men want direct communication is that they are generally okay with not being able to manipulate women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:23 PM
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Most cultures are now "Westernized". The parts of them that aren't are orthodox in the way OP described. In general, most people are religious, some worship politicians, some theologies, some political ideologies and some worship hedonistic stimulation. The ability to develop the sense of self beyond animal-brained ego is not common in any modern culture. It's just that drugging yourself in hedonistic pleasure, and thinking no negative consequences will emerge from that, is a ritual that's only …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:54 PM
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Sad that he thinks so little of her personhood that his highest hope is that she serves some other man. Yes, that would be sad, but that's not remotely related to what he said. By that logic, women who don't teach their sons to pay 50/50 on dates, are teaching them to go out and purchase prostitutes since a man's worth is entirely what he contributes to a woman financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:31 PM
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You can decide to take an active role in your child's life and not sit passively and watch other people raise them. The reason men are not being good fathers is because in a gynocentric society, anything that restricts a child from acting impulsively inside the home is seen as "abuse", while anything a child does that doesn't conform to society at large while outside the home is punished. Children are molded to be obedient and submissive to everyone other than their parents. This is of course a …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:26 PM
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You, in the west, are not raising anyone to have relationships with other people. You instead worship money, sex, and power. Your religion is political figureheads and religiously tainted views of "liberation" that are a cover for dysfunctional relationships that give you neither stability nor happiness. Well, to each his own, you can see the results of your ideology playing out in real time, if that's what you really want then more "freedom" to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:05 PM
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Sad for his daughter that her father wouldn't encourage her to have sex or argue with men? My dad never pushed me to have sex with women, argue with them or be mean to them. Somehow I'm not traumatized, does that make me a miracle?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:59 PM
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You probably have no grasp of culture beyond the Western world then. There are many reasons not to indulge in every impulsive desire you have, and not refraining from doing so does indeed damage your ability to deepen your relationships, for both women and men. To grow from experience, it needs to actually be transformative, and if it is transformative, you will value it and use it to better yourself, not to tell other people how much they should value your lack of self-control.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:38 PM
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The women that think being told not to prostitute themselves is abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:34 PM
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That's going to mean different things to different people. I don't see how anyone can have a relationship where they never push or challenge the other person, but incels don't have much experience with women so maybe they like to imagine that as ideal. The other three qualities are reasonable to want your partner to have. Ultimately, a woman can do just fine with all those qualities and never be abused, she'll just have to be willing to walk away from situations that make her uncomfortable, so s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:32 PM
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The manosphere talks about men and women in the context of dating. Women being ready to have sex and relationships with men, but not have children with them, is not a big issue affecting most men. Women assuming that having a child would have no impact on their future relationship with a man is a bigger issue for them. And men running around impregnating multiple women is neither prevalent enough not a particular threat to most of the concerns of "the manosphere".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:25 PM
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Well, she apparently saw in her head that being a virgin makes you a future sex slave for abuse. I know it's a difficult concept for a lot of people to grasp, but it's okay not to have sex with everyone you want to all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:20 PM
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Why is the only way to avoid being used by men having sex with as many as possible? There are also many other qualities listed in the OP that he could have been referring to. To me, hating men and your family doesn't mean you'll have a good life and make good choices, rather the opposite. Choices have consequences. Choosing to smoke meth and crack can lead to very bad consequences. Letting your children eat sugar constantly and not making them brush their teeth will lead to their teeth falling o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:18 PM
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I don't know if there are unbiased statistics to measure the likelihood of women wanting the men they date to take over care for their child from the father. That seems like it would be difficult to measure, and since women generally have more custody it would be biased against them. I'm getting it from the way men and women approach sex and relationships in general. A man can have a fixed relationship with a woman his entire life that never crosses certain boundaries (FWB), since he can do that…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:10 PM
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Interesting how you picked her being a virgin as the one quality that would lead to her being abused. You can advocate for women to empower themselves by sleeping with every man they can, I just don't think it'll turn out the way you think it will. But maybe I'm wrong and having sex with an endless line of men means she'll have incredible judgment and be able to spend the rest of her life committed to her husband and fully satisfied with their relationship, and so will encourage her children to …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:54 PM
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the man women like is also the man society and everyone else likes too You have it the other way around. Women like the man because society and everyone else likes him. This is how hypergamy works. Subconsciously, women care about the best genes. Their judgment of what those look like might be off, but they outsource this judgment to others to mitigate risk. A man could be evil scum, but if he's popular, there are a handful of (still too many) women out there that will like him. That's why even …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:39 PM
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I agree with your other points, but You can't regulate people into being nice to each other. That will only cause more resentment and hatred. And you can't always know how the other person will be. We already have a legal system that does that, at least in the U.S. Women can get away with ridiculous claims for longer than men, but ultimately in the end the custodial party has the advantage, not any particular gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:29 PM
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I don't think most men respect men who abandon their children. It's just that men can have long-term relationships with women, whom they don't need to replace the role of the mother to their children. I don't know what your other point is talking about but I don't think most men are jealous of the kind of men women choose to leave despite sharing a child together. They might be jealous of men with stable families, but they're not jealous of a man's broken family.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:21 PM
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Life happens, and things don't always go the way you thought they would. I don't think being a divorced parent is the fault of anyone in the relationship. Men are equally guilty of having children with women they don't like and then bashing the mother of the child when the parties separate. The problem occurs when you try to find a replacement mother or father for your child. Men (at least in modern times) generally don't attempt to keep their children apart from their mothers or have a new woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:11 PM
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Women aren't going to know the precise reason you sought to become more muscular, more fashionable etc. Yes, they won't know unless you constantly tell them and insist they should be attracted to you for it. In real life, they don't know. It's just that the kind of guys who think becoming more attractive doesn't work are the kind of guys who never try it and instead theorize online about how to best complain about their inability. Also, becoming more attractive doesn't make women flock to you li…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:42 PM
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Most people never change, they just reveal themselves. And it's more often the women masking their beliefs and opinions to get into a situation and unveiling them when they feel the other person can't escape the situation. This is such a common occurrence that it's a generic plot point in so many dramas and movies. Men can be accountable for their behaviors, which is why they are willing to stay in bad relationships "for the children" and why most men don't have children with multiple women out …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:33 PM
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Sometimes they're easy to refute so the hope is that an otherwise gullible reader would be presented with a simple counter argument. But otherwise most people who aren't also seeking validation do ignore them, so they end up being useful for people who are desperate to circlejerk their own opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:24 PM
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Except he's not trying to reproduce with all five at once, it could be over a lifetime, or even over a few days. Reproductive windows are real, but they're not so narrow that you have to align the stars to get pregnant. Otherwise it would be a lot more rare to have unwanted pregnancies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:18 PM
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It's a few repeat users Because most people seek validation and not understanding
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:13 PM
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I don't think any man would have a child just to have sex once. It's actually not that hard for a lot of men to have children. The hard part is having them with a woman that actually loves you and won't use the child as a tool to manipulate you. Single mothers are proof of women being victims of society due to the (in)actions of men Single mothers might be victims of men, but they sure aren't victims of "society". And single mothers victimize their children by choosing to have children with men …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:44 PM
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I was with you until the whole polygyny not being real thing. I mean, way too many humans are descended from Gengis Khan for it to not be real. Historically, polygyny absolutely has been real, which is why societies had to evolve "socially enforced monogamy" to discourage perpetual warfare between men. Yes, polygyny is not sustainable, and the idea of having sex with hundreds of women is a strange fetish that only men with no ambitions and therefore no responsibilities could realistically aspire…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 06:39 AM
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Ultimately, all relationships are reciprocal, and as you suggest the asymmetry will peter out over time. But in modern times when women hold such unrealistic expectations from men and also overvalue what they "bring to the table", they are choosing to stay single, or otherwise leaving relationships that would serve them well, rather than "settle" for what would in the past have been seen as a balanced relationship. Unfortunately in my experience, women actually become less willing to compromise …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 05:16 AM
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I'm saying that what politicians say and do has very little connection to abstract political values like liberalism and conservatism, even if the politicians claim to be from a party that claims to support certain values and ideals. To be more specific, I don't believe that political parties uphold the values they claim to, so I don't use them as an indicator of political beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:03 AM
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If you're talking about modern feminist theory, I don't really know much about it, but I also don't think most people who call themselves "feminists" are actually educated on what it means beyond the vague idea that women should have all the same privileges that men do. In my third paragraph I am basically talking about women wanting 50/50 relationships while ignoring their own hypergamy and any effort the man must put to pursue and maintain the relationship itself, instead viewing the relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:57 AM
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Halo effect has to do with bias, not ignoring reality because you have the tingles. Call me crazy, but I've never gotten a psychopath pregnant multiple times, or forgiven a woman for cheating on me multiple times. I don't think that's a product of the Halo effect. And yes I shame men also when they insist their wife's boyfriend is just there for emotional support, or that their long-distance girlfriend needs thousands of dollars to support her love for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 02:48 AM
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If you think the Clintons are not in bed with Trump and his crew, or Obama isn't the deporter-in-chief who loved bombing the Middle East, or Joe Biden and Kamala Harris were bright, lucid individuals with strong political viewpoints and not merely puppets for their masters, then yeah...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:37 AM
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The idea that women should have the same rights as men has been around for a long time in many different cultures, even if it wasn't widely adopted. In the U.S., this concept has been implemented into law for roughly 50 years or so. The idea that men and women are the same thing, and that all differences between them are due to discrimination, has only been around for a decade or two and only been taken seriously very recently. Of course, believing that men and women should not have any gender-b…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 01:30 AM
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I don't shame women for being attracted to men they see as better. I shame them for lying about it, or trying to justify red flags based on their attraction to a man. If you have a problem with women being attracted to men, you're jealous of the man. Or possibly even the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:04 AM
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Please do "punish" me. I want to quiver and cry that words coming out of a politician's mouth aren't reflective of reality. The shock and horror!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 11:46 PM
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It's not shocking because Epstein was around doing his business through several administrations that were very nice to him. Again, if you want to worship a human being because they put the right political label next to their name, and believe that they are paragons of virtue immune to the systems of corruption or influence that seem to affect the people standing next to them, then that's your choice. Your one true omnipotent God is obviously the correct one amongst all the universally omnipotent…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 11:41 PM
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Ah yes. So shocking that political parties and politicians don't actually do the things they claim to stand for! Next you're gonna tell me that Democrats colluded to protect pedophiles and foreign governments! Conservative is in reference to political or social values, not what your favorite demigod tells you to think.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 10:29 PM
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If nothing else, conservatism will resurge simply because "feminist" viewpoints are almost always antithetical to a stable family structure and reproduction, so after a generation or two the only people left will be products of a more conservative environment. More people now than ever are choosing to be single, the ones who reproduce will be forced to reckon with the other gender's preferences, one way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 10:06 PM
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"High Value" men will have goals in life beyond trying to have sex with every woman they see. They'll have self-restraint and the ability to commit long-term to goals and people. If you mean that "High Value" men will not tolerate low value women, then yes, they will only go for women that contribute to their life. And will be willing to leave women that actively detract from their life. But if these supposedly "High Value" men want a family, they'll have to manage that responsibility along with…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 10:00 PM
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I don't disagree with you about where most men will end up, but I reject the premise that it is contradictory to the Red Pill. In fact, being a top tier man is kind of the whole prescription of Red Pill, to the extent that it prescribes anything. The Redpill Self-Improvement Project Is Largely a Myth One of the central promises of redpill ideology is that any man, through sufficient discipline, gym time, money grinding, and frame control, can meaningfully elevate himself into the tier of men wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 06:20 PM
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Do you believe women's rights should depend on how they behave themselves in relation to men? No. It has come up a lot here that someone says that since women now have equal right they "have" to do 50/50. And if they dont want to do that its somehow abuse of equality or something like that. I'm not sure what this is in reference to. If you are talking about what people do in their dating lives, I don't believe that anyone should have to do anything, legally or otherwise. Maybe you are talking ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 05:38 PM
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They likely just mean that you have to escalate sexual/romantic interest even more slowly than whatever the context is. The woman should still know there is a possibility of you being interested in a romantic relationship. "Orbiter" usually refers to a man who stays friends with a woman even when she is in a relationship with someone else, in the hopes that relationship won't work out and she'll eventually turn to him. Women don't have a problem with orbiters, it's one of the ways they keep back…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 12:32 PM
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I'm not sure if it would be traditional masculinity if you are in a relationship, if you have conflicting responsibility, or even if you just don't want to have sex with the woman offering. Part of masculinity is having self-control and also having values that guide your behavior. The inability to control yourself or refrain from acting on impulse has never really been regarded as masculine historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 06:17 AM
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It is amusing to me that you are ironically stereotyping women far more than any of my comments did. I don't think being a vapid bimbo makes a woman an indirect communicator - if anything, the ones I have seen actually struggle to mask and filter what they express and end up oversharing, and so are typically far more direct in their communication. I also don't think the ability to introspect is common enough in men or women to connect it to any particular career or line of work. But even if a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 04:52 AM
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I think the connection to homophobia and benevolent sexism in society as a whole might be a stretch. I've never personally witnessed women insult men as gay for not performing traditional masculinity outside of dating, though I have seen men be accused of being misogynistic for not catering to women's demands. I will say however that when it comes to dating, nearly all women that I have dated have accused me of being gay when I didn't reciprocate their sexual advances, particularly when their at…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 12:58 AM
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I don't know why you keep redirecting this to IQ when it has nothing to do with intelligence, it has to do with unwillingness to offend. Women being unwilling to be direct does not make their sentences any less coherent. Malala is not a good example to support your argument, anyone who follows her knows that she has recently come under scrutiny for operating as a PR machine for various political elements. Which again does not detract from her perceived intelligence, but rather her authenticity i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 11:41 PM
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There may be many men on here who are confused about what women are attracted to in general, but that's not really the point of confusion or deception for the average man. I think men can generally pick up qualities of the men that women are attracted to from media and even from their conversations with women. The confusion is more in what women feel specifically about the person they are talking to. Call it being socially apt, superficial, fake, or diplomatic, women are terrified of social reje…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 09:43 PM
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Men are more upfront than women with other men, because that's how men communicate. Men are not more upfront with women, because women are not men. Women are far less upfront with other women, than they are with men, particularly when it comes to men that they date. Some of the things women will say to men to hurt them dwarf anything a man would say to a woman he is in a relationship with. However, women will have fake "frenemies" that they hate for decades but continue to keep up appearances wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:56 PM
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If you're arguing that what the Red Pill suggests doesn't work, that's subjective. I'd argue that whatever components have worked up to the point in the relationship don't suddenly disappear and become meaningless once the relationship is official. But Red Pill absolutely does have guidelines to manage relationships with women. Female communication patterns don't radically change within a relationship. The concepts of the "light switch effect" and even hypergamy in general are not limited to exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:53 PM
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Some men are autistic and don't realize it or accept it and need things broken down for them. But the majority of men who deal with women have to deal with their insistence on indirect and manipulative communication, likely because that's just how women naturally communicate. The majority of women who deal with men get direct communication and then insist on misinterpreting it. The percentage of men who attempt to consciously manipulate women through words is much smaller than the percentage of …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:42 PM
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In the U.S. and much of the western world, this is illegal. If it happens, a decent lawyer will make you a lot of money. Of course, if you define obnoxious, uncouth or otherwise disturbing behavior as part of your "gender identity", then yes it is a choice. "Gender identity" is still rooted in a preconceived notion of what gender is. Things like howling at the moon or wearing diapers have nothing to do with your "gender identity". If you're talking about places where discrimination like this is …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:37 PM
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Men dehumanize and degrade fat men. Men dehumanize and degrade funny looking people. Some men are angry, some find it funny. Either way, we laugh at the funny ones and ignore or avoid the weirdos. We don't demand that the conversation be shut down and that everyone be seen as a perfect princess who poops rainbows. I don't believe that women actually hold the beliefs they state they do, online or otherwise, because their stated beliefs change depending on context. Who the perceived victim and opp…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:30 PM
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Red pill definitely covers managing female sexuality, even within relationships and marriage. Of course there used to be a lot more to relationships than sexuality, but in the modern world, that's becoming less land less so.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:21 PM
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Red pill is not a political movement or ideology, unless you consider attempting to understand groups of people as a threat to your existence or way of life, which modern activists dependent on manipulation of others definitely do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:17 PM
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All your points here are about hypergamy, specifically about men having to outearn/outperform the woman that will accept a relationship with them. This is a social or biological phenomenon that is not legally encoded and not a biological requirement. In theory, women could pair up with men who are their "equal", and in modern societies with a higher cost of living, most of them are pairing up with their economic equals. Income is only one aspect of hypergamy. Of course, in modern societies who w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:12 PM
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The possibility of who you could be always existed, and had to exist in order for you to become it. The fact that you choose to act a certain way doesn't change society or even your gender, and never has. To use your example, having intimate male friendships or displaying emotion was never prohibited for men. It's only a modern subset of western culture that likes to define such broad elements of human behavior through gender, because the alternative is to accept that they were always free to ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 08:14 AM
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Women think expecting the man to contribute 50/50 in domestic labor is reasonable because they genuinely don't understand that men have to actively put in effort to maintain the relationship, part of which includes taking on unnecessary shit they are not themselves interested in. They actually believe that they are just attracted to the man because he simply exists, and that if they weren't with him his life would be the same or worse, because he would be forced to take on labor to maintain the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:53 AM
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Freedom from oppressive structures and roles already exists. Following social structures is a choice. Gender roles are rooted in biology. You can scream about how unfair they are for anyone but it won't change the behaviors and psychology embedded in each gender. Most of what people who fight for social causes like to do is gather in crowds and chant slogans in protest. I'm not sure how that will grant them freedom. If you want actual change, you have to impact what society thinks, and doing tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:20 AM
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Women don't accept men's uncomfortable truths. You can see it in the way they seek to regulate speech. Women find men's humor crude and offensive and decide that it must be harmful to men on their behalf and then seek to censor it. You can see it in women's attitudes towards men who judge them by any standards. A man who doesn't want to date obese women is seen as bigoted. A man who doesn't doesn't feel attracted to their degrees or high paying jobs is seen as intimidated. Hell, even a man who w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 05:05 AM
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I think you are still framing "truth" as diametrically opposed to "lies." My point is not that you should lie - I think it's practically too thought-expensive to be efficient, even if you are a psychopath - but rather that the truth is, quite literally, something that people do not actually care about, in their deepest of hearts. Yes, people will say that they want certain things, but what they say is typically still removed from what they actually want, even if only because of their inability t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 01:09 AM
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You state that women want the man to pay for the date, but then also state that they want the man to pay for everything in the relationship, which are two very different things. A man paying for a date is inconsequential. One meal is nothing to write home about, and nothing women in the modern world would judge other women for. A woman paying for a man throughout the whole relationship is a big deal, and would lower the status of the woman to other women, but would also lower her status to other…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:26 AM
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But hey OP, that's just life. Eventually men dumb enough to not just mask 24/7 and be extremely ruthless and utilitarian with regard to women are going to be weeded out of the gene pool. If you're on the losing side of this equation and your brain just insists on morality and truth, just accept your fate and fade out into the virtual realm with me. There is a way to avoid this. Morality is subjective, but so is truth. What you see as the truth is merely a perspective. What you have to understand…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:06 AM
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If you read the post, he's saying that's the only part of emotional intelligence women want. Not the part where he sees through behavior intended to manipulate him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:23 PM
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Technically, you're not wrong. Withholding emotion is a form of manipulation. It's just what happens to be rewarded by most women, so the question becomes a semantic one - is it manipulation to deceive women in the way they want to be deceived, including letting them be deceived into thinking that their manipulation works on you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 11:13 PM
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An emotionally intelligent man is more difficult to manipulate through emotion. Also, being emotionally intelligent doesn't mean you value all emotion other people show to you, even if you validate it. This is why a stoic man is a manipulator's worst nightmare: not only is he not manipulated through emotion, but him being difficult to read makes it difficult for the manipulator to even know if their deception in how they portray themselves is working.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 10:45 PM
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When we start looking at stats for people in their 30s, though, there are suddenly a lot more men in relationships. Is the whole problem that women find a huge percentage of men undatable, to the point that young men should be prepared for that reality? Yes. People in their 30s being in relationships doesn't mean that those relationships will work out, that those relationships are what these men would have preferred in their 20s, or that these men are dating women the same age as them. What it o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 10:36 PM
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Men are more likely to act violently, but the solution to that is not suppressing men's speech as a whole, it is to suppress the violent speech. There could be arguments made that women convincing each other that men are horrible and supporting extreme views result in more violence and economic harm than edgelords competing with each other, but those are too tangential to bring up here. I'll just say that if the suppression of speech is not targeted, there's no justification for protecting any k…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:41 PM
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I would say it is both parties' responsibility to communicate. In this case, OP was talking about men's failure to understand as their own responsibility. You don't have to adjust the way you communicate if you don't care whether the other person understands you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:28 PM
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That's fair. Would you also say it's fair that women should not misinterpret or attempt to censor, say, men trying to analyze women and female behavior on public forums amongst themselves, when they are not trying to broadcast it to other people?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:28 PM
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It is hypocritical to people who believe that only their values and ideals matter, and so people who don't share their standards are beneath them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:26 PM
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Men misinterpreted "I choose the bear" because they have different communication patterns than women and care more about content than context, and so tend to take things literally. The real question is why the burden is on men to understand what women could possibly mean differently from what they say, and not on women to align what they say to what they actually mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:17 PM
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Do you believe that far more women than men are interested in self-improvement? If so, how do you reconcile men being in positions of power far more often than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:12 PM
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Without going into the bullet points of each individual trade you mention, a major part of the problem with your assertion that women "sell themselves short" is that their value will depend on the market they have access to. What a woman or a man sees as their own value in theory, is a separate concept from what they can actually get from a partner that they have access to. People are motivated by the hopes of achieving a certain dream (not just for romance, but everything) and are humbled by re…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:02 PM
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Yes, women are involved in the theory about male sexuality. It also describes how men exploit women (dark triad). I'm guessing you'll believe that part of the theory is valid but not the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:40 PM
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In my experience men who married formerly promiscuous women were inevitably blue-pilled. By that I mean there were a few core beliefs/behaviors they held/displayed: They had not aggressively pursued women before finding the one they married, and generally did not have many preferences beyond finding a woman they were attracted to and that did not take too much effort to pursue; They believed that their wife's emotionality was their responsibility and a natural state of female nature (happy wife …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:32 PM
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I think seeing the man play a certain role is natural in relationships. However, she still exists as her own independent individual. She doesn't want to worry about keeping a roof over her head and food in her belly, and that's understandable, but shit happens. She might not be expecting to be a provider, but she should be capable of surviving on her own if she needs to. That being said, she can expect the man to pay for the big expenses of living a certain lifestyle that go above and beyond mer…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:08 AM
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A woman who never pays for anything will leave you when you lose your job or can't afford her luxurious lifestyle, or even simply when she gets "bored". She wants to live in a fantasy land where she has no problems and they are all solved magically, not in the real world where she is an adult. I don't understand why this is even a question. Don't date women who are divorced from reality. Yes, women will expect you to lead, but their lack of ability is a liability that will expose itself the seco…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:30 AM
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In a psychological sense, the part that is able to ignore is the conscious part, and therefore the part being ignored is the subconscious or "gut" part. It makes more sense if you think of it in a more primitive context: the hairs on the back of your neck standing up, a sudden and unexainable feeling of dread - physiological symptoms aren't something people can generally produce just by thinking about them. They are a reflection of something unconscious and show up in how you feel, not what you …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:32 AM
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TRP is theory. What men choose to do with it is up to them. It's male-centric because men were focused on figuring out the psychology of women in dating and relationships. Women generally aren't interested in figuring out anything beyond their immediate problems. Complaining about women has nothing to do with TRP and is a reflection of failure to understand them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:27 AM
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In my experience, women's intuition, as in their gut feeling, is not faulty, but rather they choose to override it for men they are attracted to. It's not so much that they miss the red flags, but more so that they go to extremes to justify them (using faulty logic nevertheless). Of course, I'm a man, but even from your example above, in my experience the women who were being cheated on by their partners generally chose to overlook the signs or delude themselves, rather than genuinely being clue…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:42 AM
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I think it's reasonable to want your partner to be your best friend and to be able to share everything with your partner. I think the bigger problem is that each gender is expecting the other one to mirror their desires and needs rather than complement them. Men and women have different psychology and different interests; they can participate together in activities, but they will have separate motivations and relate separately to what they are doing. There's a reason for the trope of the gay bes…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:27 AM
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Women shouldn't complain Ah, but then how would anything get done? Somebody (else) should do something!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 04:06 AM
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Men aren't going to become asexual, they might simply withdraw from the pursuit of sex as they already are doing. And what will happen is that the most motivated people will reproduce, and the others won't. You might have an economic bottleneck for a generation or two but nature will restore the balance. The real concern is the violence that will result from this economic bottleneck if you don't find a way to alleviate it quickly enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 02:46 AM
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Men don't go for looks anymore, they go for who seems receptive and flirtatious. The only reason men don't go for women with "looks" is because they have to calculate the risk of rejection or worse, but part of that calculation is whether the woman looks good enough to take on the risk. Yes, the more passive a man is, the more the woman will have to show that she is interested, but the better looking a woman is, the less passive the man will be. Suggesting that confidence is more important than …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 09:22 PM
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I believe that "Nice guy" generally refers to men who attempt to orbit a woman's friendzone in the hopes that eventually she will want to have a romantic relationship with them. I've seen many men like this in real life. I don't think I've seen anyone who thinks that women in general should like him for being nice in general, it's more so that he is attempting to convert platonic "friendship" (which is really just one-sided favors for women who know they are out of his league) with a specific wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 08:03 PM
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I've had something like that before, and the lack of love killed the sexual desire. Even though I would have said no regardless, the only way a situation like this could exist is if it is the woman's fantasy, not the man's. Having a bangmaid is blackpiller's sexual fantasy because they are unable to comprehend the emotional upkeep required to maintain such a situation, due to having little or no experience with women, particularly in relationships. Cultures across the world have historically had…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 06:31 PM
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Women generally cannot handle "just being friends" with a man that they are actually attracted to. The women that stick around platonically with a man they were romantically interested in generally lose the romantic interest very early in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 04:02 AM
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If he stuck to that, no one would have much of a problem with him. No one seemed to have a problem with Epstein trafficking children until major financial institutions started being implicated... granddaddy said “you can’t negotiate desire”; but you guys sure do try to do so Ah, so redpillers are bad because they don't follow the red pill. Classic redpillers, not doing the things that they are defined by. Next you're gonna tell me men have vaginas and women have penises.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 03:25 AM
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Most of what Tate specifically talks about is how money works and how to make it. I'm not sure what the "red pill influencers" OP is referring to talk about but from what I've seen it has to do with improving yourself as a man as a whole. They shame men for being losers because they believe that, at least for men, these "losers" have the capability to not be losers but are instead choosing to remain victims of their own mindset, which the influencers hope to disrupt through shame and anger. Waki…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 01:40 AM
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Redpill is theory. Redpill "advice" sucks just like college "education" sucks. If you expect people to pay you to recite useless information, or have sex with you because you checked your notes and followed the pickup line algorithm, you're gonna be in for a world of hurt. Wanting or obtaining information is completely separate from developing skills using that information. Redpill has always drawn incels who also often have fatalistic attitudes and just like the women that they pursue, an unwil…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 01:27 AM
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You gotta pick one. If you change your life for the better, it means you are "waking up." Unless of course by change your life for the better you mean finding an employer to slave for and learning to enjoy the finer chemicals in life through fast food and VR porn. Personally, I don't find being fake to people for 8 hours for an unlivable wage and then going home to destroy my body through chemicals and porn addiction "changing my life for the better."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 11:33 PM
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Well, if abuse to you is other men waking you up to your abuse, then you could say so, but that's generally a stance women and other fans of victimhood take. If you take a man screaming at faceless people he's never met as personal abuse inflicted on you, and then decide as a result of this you need to change in order to please him, you're likely a closeted masochist rather than "red pill."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:54 PM
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If we want real solutions and real progress, the grievances have to be anchored in reality That's a big "if" right there. Most of what "activists" are interested in is political foreroleplay to live out a savior fantasy. Who else in their right mind would think that gathering in large crowds to scream at the sky about your genitals will actually create "progress"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 09:31 PM
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Defining and explicitly stating consent is a need that comes from casual sex. Romance in most cultures involves learning the boundaries of consent indirectly by slowly developing a romantic relationship and engaging in behaviors that signal you are romantically interested in the other person. This means the man continuing to pursue the woman, and the woman continuing to accept him. Traditionally, this could happen over weeks or months. Forcing it to happen in one day obviously amplifies the risk…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 06:20 PM
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I've always seen romance as a dance. It's not a one-sided confession or some sort of token reward system but flirting and impressing a woman is enjoyable as an interactive experience where she clearly indicates that the romance is desired and effective. I think the romance dies mutually. Men aren't as motivated to be romantic if their romantic gestures aren't appreciated or reciprocated. I think settling is a separate topic, but romance is a mutual interaction, distinct in its own right from fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:05 PM
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Yeah I'm red pill, just not a whiny bitch who tries to buy sex from women and then cries that only prostitutes love him. "Romance" is not "here's some cash, now tickle my dick pretty please!"
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:32 AM
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Giving people things is not romantic. Showing interest in them is. If someone shows interest in you, then you accepting it and validating their interest is its own act, and equally meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 08:29 AM
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Well they are supposed to receive what you give. Men have to pursue, but women have to create the opportunities for the man to pursue. Men display their value by competing with other men, women display their value by filtering out men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:42 AM
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I'd say women are about as romantic as men. They just play a different role in romance, and a lot of them don't realize they have to. Also, neither women nor men can be romantic if you force them into roles they don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 07:19 AM
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And if you don't understand why the thing you're arguing is purportedly true, you don't have a lot of confidence in your own argument. I agree with your general sentiment, but I think here you are underestimating people's ability to have undying faith in their own stupidity. That and for most people the problem is not that they don't understand that they could be wrong, but more so that they don't care about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:10 AM
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They say that in hunger gatherer times, things were equal and men had to show off their good characteristics to secure a mate and the women chose her mate. Evolutionary history is why misogyny and patriarchy and the gender war is happening. Your stance is unclear. Are you saying that the gender war has always existed? If it's rooted in biology, then it doesn't make sense that it's a modern phenomenon. It's like I just do not relate with most of the men I'm interacting with. I'd argue that this e…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 11:14 PM
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I became enlightened in the sense that I thought this woman was different from others, and although she had her own individual qualities, she still was similar to other women in the way that I described.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 10:36 PM
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I'm not sure what you're suggesting. The principles and behaviors that I saw were from hundreds of text conversations with women and dozens of calls and dates. I also was "blue-pilled" growing up in the sense that I thought women largely shared my values and wanted the same things in a relationship. I had no reason to believe otherwise until I actually started dating them and having conversations with them about dating. I had many opportunities for a relationship, I wasn't interested in one with…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 09:17 PM
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Red pill is a theory that men turn to after being disillusioned. I became redpill gradually after talking to hundreds of women and listening to dozens of them describe various elements of the red pill: "getting over" their aversion to casual sex with strangers by doing it with random men; getting into decade-long relationships with a man because he was the one who most aggressively pursued them when they were teenagers, then leaving after he had matured because they realized they didnt want a fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 07:35 PM
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I think that's fine, but "ick" nowadays refers to being turned off by some minute interaction with the man. Which I don't think is actually the problem, you should be attracted to your partner, and you should be looking for red flags in a partner. The problem is that the women judge the man as a whole as weak, incompetent, or uninteresting based off of things that have very little do with his overall personality. When we say "lower your standards", what we mean is not to suppress and ignore your…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 06:48 PM
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I think part of the problem is that women's "standards" turn out to be not even preferences but simply specific qualities that have little to do with compatibility for a long-term relationship. Usually when women talk about "standards", they just describe qualities of men that have turned them on at some point. Women will judge men over the stupidest things that give them the "ick" and ignore red flags based on how they feel in any given moment. I agree that women most definitely should have hig…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:23 AM
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What is the alternative you are proposing? Just because they don't have the "social life" that women do doesn't mean they don't have to socialize in order to get women. If you understand that men need to stand out in order to attract women, you should understand that it will require more or better social skills for an average man to find women to date him, than it would for an average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 11:11 AM
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Throughout history, it's been very easy to die, and the modern world is no exception. Car accidents, disease induced from processed foods, and even simply random gun violence can take your life or severely disable you. Historically, war, animals, or even a small dispute with a neighbor could do the same. Humans have always been one of the biggest threats to each other, but they have also always had threats far beyond what they were capable of dealing with - or at least dealing with alone. What t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 07:56 PM
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I think women both "get over" and "get into" things more quickly than men. I would agree that they build their identity around their relationships, but this is in reference to all their relationships, not just their partner. As compared to men building their identity around the roles that they play in their relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 05:01 AM
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I mean you can see this in the way women censor themselves in their relationships, and general people-pleasing behavior. In general, women care more about being seen and felt in their relationships than expressing their own deep internal identity. In fact their own identity is more molded by their environment than men's is. For men, they have a need to take on a role in the world and in their relationships and are very reluctant to let go of that role or take on a less appreciated or weaker role…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 04:58 AM
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No, I'm saying if they didn't build their identity around the relationship, they would be okay with leaving sooner. Being afraid of losing money means that their identity revolves around what they have accumulated and not what they do on a daily basis. In general, people are scared of letting go of what's comfortable, and stay in situations that are bad for them because they are afraid of discomfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 04:21 AM
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Men are not really afraid of losing their money, they are afraid of losing the identity they have built up. The money they have is useless if they have to be with someone they don't like, and they would spend it on a woman they do like anyways. For various reasons, women are not attached to their identity to the same degree that men are, so this isn't as much of an issue to them. But women also stay in bad marriages when they are attached to the relationships they have built within them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:03 AM
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Women have to be taught even to commit internally to themselves. What they commit to is security. The problem is that their security is easily rattled in the modern world because it is built on a flimsy foundation, which is their sexuality. Women now have the option of choosing who to commit to for the first time in history, and you are seeing their sexuality play out in real time. Men have never committed to women because of the man's sexuality, but rather for the woman to serve as a social con…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:36 AM
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You have to fight for freedom. Most people, men and women, are not willing to do that. Most people "just want a new master." The only difference between men and women is that men are more willing to compete with the master for his title, and women are more willing to change him. When women "fight" for freedom, they are just protesting to their master, "society", for a change in the terms and conditions. The masters that men submit to are external roles, and can be fought, deposed, subjugated or …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:11 AM
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You can always come up with someone or another to blame for your problems. You blaming them is no different than them blaming you. I don't think you can blame an entire generation You said it yourself here. Blame is a dance of delusion; you have to suspend disbelief and pretend that people and systems operate in isolation, and that you are disconnected from them and unable to take action while simultaneously being impacted by the consequences of their actions. The freedom to meet endless potenti…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 01:44 AM
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You're right, somebody should do something.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:44 PM
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I teach them So you would agree with OP's premise that they should be taught things and that teaching them things isn't grooming them? that it is mutual All relationships are reciprocal, but that doesn't mean your actions are mirrored. If you think that everyone should want the same things as you, you'll have a hard time getting along with anyone, let alone an intimate partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:03 PM
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Historically, this has always been the case for both men and women. Women just happen to be better at navigating it, and more willing to conform to social standards and censor their own opinions. You cannot force people to care about things they just don't care about. Even where the issue of social expectations is brought up, most people concerned about "social causes" are more often concerned about virtue signaling and view society as an abstraction they leverage to advantage themselves. They a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:46 PM
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Women tend to believe that relationships require active effort to be maintained, whereas men can often pick up where they left off after years of not seeing each other. However, the burden of developing a romantic relationship is almost solely on the man, and is an economic cost that he has to actively choose to undertake. This is why women often feel the man is not as interested once they get into a relationship; the man was actively pursuing her to develop the relationship, not merely in respo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 07:25 PM
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To piggyback onto your comment, I think men with a certain level of maturity also feel this way. Being an object of a woman's desire is likely stimulating when you've rarely experienced it, but when you're used to it, a woman showing her sexual interest in you is meaningless if it doesn't come with genuine interest in you as a whole. Of course, men will often still take the meaningless attention and sex, but it doesn't translate into a relationship. This is the same reason that most men don't pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 06:59 PM
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Less men than women are having children, is the way it makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 08:03 AM
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Children cannot consent to anything that is taught to them. That doesn't mean that nothing is being taught to them. They are continuously learning what society expects from them, good or bad, fair or unfair, superficial or meaningful. This seems to not be a problem until it comes to what men would expect of women in an adult relationship. Also, OP literally said nothing about labor. You can bury your head in the sand and pretend protecting children from information will make them mature, but I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:54 AM
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Most of the world was raised the way he described, throughout most of history. "Duty" is a concept across cultures, that is not equivalent to "slavery." Just because you can't fathom having responsibility in a relationship, doesn't make it child grooming.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:44 AM
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I was responding to OP, you replied to my comment. I'm saying the gendered difference in parenting behavior are biological and not socially conditioned. actually participated in taking care of them during infancy In the U.S. it's not feasible for a man to completely abandon childcare due to the economic burden. I am not saying that men will not care that their children are taken care of, just that they will not take on the labor themselves in the same way. As opposed to when the children are old…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:42 AM
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There are wifely and maternal duties just like there are husbandly and paternal duties. Of course, in a society that worships sex, you can only see these duties being useful in the context of a sexual relationship, and not as contributing to the family as a whole. I don't think it's shocking that adults don't want to adopt their sexual partners and treat them like children, not sure why that's the way you choose to interpret OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:35 AM
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They're their own people and can make their own choices In theory yes, but based on anecdotal evidence, not as likely. No way will I train them up to essentially mother some pathetic loser of a man. If they're actually independent, you won't be able to do this anyways. If they're not, then you'll be responsible for the man they choose to have their children, and I don't see why you think they would intuitively avoid a "pathetic loser of a man".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:32 AM
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Yes, the Schrodinger's adults, simultaneously empowered when they make the choices and helpless victims after they encounter the consequences. Minors being taught domestic labor has been a thing for a long time. I maintain it is superior to being taught to sell your body for attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:27 AM
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I'm not sure what "contribute substantially" means. I was simply responding to OP's claim that women take on the significant burden of childcare, which I will agree with based on anecdotal experience. My point was not that men should not care about their children, but that what they care about does not present in the same way, seeing as women do in fact take on the labor burden of raising a child, at least when the child is younger. What I should have said was men do not take on the labor of rai…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:25 AM
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I don't think OP is talking about small children but rather teenagers or young adults. Of course, if women see themselves as children at every age, I could be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:17 AM
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I'd argue this is preferable to social media grooming women to prostitute themselves or ignore men's preferences in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:11 AM
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Well I didn't literally mean that you can abandon children when they are infants, my point was that women will take on far more work than the men, not least because of their ability to breastfeed. Even with young children, women will do more work for them than men, and I'm saying this is rooted in biological differences between men and women and not something that can be brainwashed away.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:08 AM
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It's never too late to learn any type of skills. It's just that women are actively lied to and told they will never need to learn these things and that they are perfect the way they are, and by the time they realize they should, they struggle with ego death just like everyone else. If you can accept you are not perfect, you can learn new things. I think the real roadblock is that society worships sex and convinces people that their ability to have sex is the measurement of their success. Remove …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 03:01 AM
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I'd argue that you absolutely can ignore the children start out as infants bit the way single mothers ignore the children eventually become adults bit. The stats for how children in single mother households turn out aren't exactly encouraging. And frankly mens interactions with children isn’t necessarily let alone biologically vastly different than women’s This is likely where we fundamentally disagree: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/01/24/gender-and-parenting/ https://www.google…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 02:56 AM
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I'd say that in this scenario, both men and women give less credit to the younger woman's agency in choosing the older man. However, women measure the woman's lack of agency through her power over a given situation, whereas men measure her lack of agency through her power over herself. The women believe that the younger woman is lacking agency as a result of the older man's influence, and that if they can change her external environment, she will be able to choose not to be with the older man. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 02:48 AM
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Men certainly care about raising children, just not when they are infants. There's a whole host of biological reasons why this is but I don't believe you actually care to understand since it should be obvious that men are not like women. Men play and interact with children very differently than women do. But childcare aside, I believe men actually care more about who they have children with than women do, which is why the type of men that procreate are doing so more frequently out of wedlock.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 02:21 AM
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The most important standard is someone you can effectively communicate with. The next one is someone who can take accountability for their actions. This goes for both genders. But to answer your question, women should look for a man with integrity, who is congruent in his actions and behavior, and doesn't blame other people for either. I've always found blaming others to be a sign that the person is a liability and it would kill attraction for me. Same with emotional men who are unable to contro…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 02:15 AM
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I don't see the connection between castration and committing more crime. I would imagine it to only be a problem because you can't castrate a person again after the first time. I agree that rape is about control and not sexuality. My opinion on this is the same as my opinion on the death penalty. I don't believe the state should have the power to do so, and it's difficult to justify when you get the wrong guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 02:07 AM
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Please note that I will be making broad generalizations, but I'm discussing trends, and I'm aware that there are exceptions. To save time, I'll clarify that I am more of an exception and atypical to the the average man. That being said, I think the problem is that men and women believe that the other gender must mirror them in order for them to be compatible. The fact is, men and women are different. You've presented various differences in the genders below, but I'll try and explain from my pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 02:03 AM
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If women could impeccably discern the inmost thoughts and intentions of men, abusive relationships wouldn't happen. I think the entire premise can really be sunk with that one example I've said this before, and I'll say it again. They are judging you based on their own internal feelings, not your external behavior. Women have a flawed detection system because they rely on how they feel to judge the character of other people. Psychopaths slip under their radar because of this, because psychopaths…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 12:55 AM
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In short: technology invalidates the personal-strength myth It doesn't, because there are realms of combat that involve much more than your ability to pull a trigger. From something as simple as ability to aim (men are better at spatial rotation and predicting movement) to understanding global socio-political and economic mechanisms, men are largely better than women at combat and leverage because men are wired to compete. It's not just having more muscle mass, but constantly checking out your e…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 04:59 PM
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I realize I'm already what women hate This is your mistake. Women even hate other women that they have long-term friendships with (frenemies). Them "hating" you doesn't have anything to do with them being willing to socialize with you. They don't hate you, because they don't know "you." They only hate whatever you are doing. If you attach your identity to your behavior, then you will not be able to change it without killing your ego. But most of what women "hate" about you are things that other …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 01:54 PM
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How attractive men are has nothing to do with them being good partners. There is no reason to believe he will recognize the opportunity given to him to be in a relationship and try to make up for his lack of attractiveness in other ways. If you're not attracted to the man, there is no reason to believe that you will become attracted to him by him "making up for it in other ways." Attraction isn't negotiable. Women may settle for being in a relationship with a man that they're not attracted to, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 01:37 PM
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Women might not like high n-count men either, but it is disproportionately less important for women than it is for men. You can see this historically across cultures and in biology. Regardless, I agree that willingness to engage in casual sex is a bad example of asymmetrical standards innate to men and women, even though it is definitely a much bigger deal for men. But as you mentioned, other characteristics will outweigh that drawback. The problem is that women don't have these characteristics,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 02:13 AM
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I don't think women should lower their standards, they just shouldn't assume that they are able to match the standards they are expecting with no effort on their own part, or that the man's standards will mirror theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:30 AM
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More heartbroken, yes. But that is the result of larger expectations that didn't actualize. She will still think about the Alpha more and use him as a basis for comparison in a sexual context, and romantic relationships are based on sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:28 AM
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It's possible because they are judging you on the basis of their sexual or emotional stimulation rather than internal emotional security. So yes it is weird in a society centered around humanity, but quite normal in a society that worships sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:18 AM
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Women have never wanted to date, they have wanted others to date them. Most women's idea of a relationship is something that happens to them, and not something they actively pursue. Apart from that, women have always been selective about men, it's just now that they are in a time where they have relatively more freedom not to date below their standards. Women are also for some reason (likely social media) under the impression that they can do it all and have it all, and that a real man won't jud…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/25 12:14 AM
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No, because you are talking about romantic or sexual excitement. You have become a fantasy for her, but fantasy is inherently detached from reality. There are some women who always have makeup on, look great, are always confident and social. This is similar to the social media effect, how women (and men) are always posting their best looks and lifestyle on social media, when reality is ugly. These women are doing the equivalent by looking good for you, being the sexy princess in their fantasy an…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 11:29 PM
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I think your ability to hold boundaries makes them see you as powerful, but I think this only works on women that are okay with a superficial relationship, because they themselves are unwilling to be emotionally vulnerable with you. Women that want a relationship and not simply an exchange of validation have to expose themselves to vulnerability at some point. You are mistaking yourself for being the degenerate, when it is really the woman who is degenerate for exposing herself to your behavior.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 11:18 PM
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They just complain to different people. Women complain to everyone except the person they have the problem with, men complain to no one except the person they have the problem with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:49 PM
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Why do we hear so much about the loneliness epidemic and not as much about what women have to endure? I think this is because "male loneliness epidemic" is mistakenly interpreted only as the result of men's difficulties with dating, when the reality is they are more socially isolated across all relationships. I would argue that the answer to all these questions is that men are not able to freely and comfortably express themselves the way they want to due to their opinions being seen as political…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 10:41 PM
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You could switch "men" and "women" in the title and it would actually be more valid, because women generally don't chase men. That being said, this applies to both genders and the answer is the same: these women (or men) are assuming that the other person wants the same things as them, in this case being a relationship, and assume that a man wanting to have sex with them or even enjoying being around them means that the man therefore wants to exclusively commit to them. These women "realize" the…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 08:07 PM
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In theory, the only "men's issue" feminists need to support are equal rights for men and women, which have largely been achieved in the West. The rest of what feminists are "fighting for" are biological, social and cultural realities that won't be changed. The only "change" that feminists have "enacted" has ironically been to censor men's observations and opinions about these realities that don't conform to whatever narrative feminists are supporting on any given day.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:30 PM
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Considering how frequently women claim to date abusive men, I find that hard to believe. Anecdotally, I definitely have seen many women stay in terrible relationships, not because they weren't okay being single, but because they weren't okay with putting in the work to find a new partner. Instead, they simply chose to degrade the relationship into a state of quasi-singleness, without cheating sexually but each party otherwise behaving like they were single inside the household. To be fair, I hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 05:12 PM
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Is it the economy [social media] making it difficult for men to be masculine? Is it the cultural push to dismantle traditional masculinity without offering a replacement? Or is it women truly and completely financially independent that they can live on their own that wasn't possible in the past? I'd certainly say this all is happening with the correction above. I think men want to be masculine, it's just a risk to do so or express that desire publicly. In regards to men not spending money (or ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 04:24 PM
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Women would be more forgiving, value you more, respect you more and try to keep the relationship as much as possible. You have it backwards. Women will have much better sex with men they value and respect more and want to keep a relationship with. Most of of being "good at sex" comes from how the woman perceives you as a whole based on things you do outside of bed. It's far more psychological than most men like to believe. If you want to get good at sex, learn how to manage the woman's emotions …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 04:11 PM
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Technically, it's not hypocritical because they believe that women should only date men whom they have equal power and influence over. They simply don't extend this equality to building and maintaining the relationship, as they believe that is the man's role, and can't understand that it takes active effort, making a seemingly "equal" relationship unequal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 03:31 PM
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The inherent belief is that relations between the genders should involve a deeper connection than just sex and money Yes and people nowadays cannot fathom having this connection before the sex and money. Relationships involve becoming sexual first, then exclusive, and then figuring out whether you like the other person or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 03:14 PM
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I think your dad is right, but in my experience much of being "good in bed" comes from how the woman perceives you as a whole based on things you do outside of bed. It's far more psychological than most men like to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 01:03 AM
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There's no invisible forcefield preventing women from not being with lazy and entitled men. All relationships are reciprocal, if you are not getting what you think is fair, you will either leave, try to reciprocate in the form of spreading hate via complaints either directly at the man or to others (whether in person or online), or gradually subdue and withold the parts of yourself that you feel generate expectations from the man that are not realized in the relationship. This is not gendered, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 11:43 PM
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Just need to acknowledge that other people can have separate wants and needs from us that we might not intuitively understand. The gender war and most other culture wars are because people believe that if they don't understand something it must not matter, and if they don't care about something then no one else should either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 01:05 AM
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I don't believe women would be happy to live in a land separate from men, they're always pushing for men to be educated not to rape or something equally nonsensical.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 12:38 AM
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How many people are willing to restart their lives to escape the hell they have placed themselves in? What you described is a fundamental aspect of human nature, the fear of ego death. Being willing to walk away and leave your identity behind is what eastern religions have been trying to teach for a long time. In regards to the example you described, men like this begin relationships with certain expectations from both parties. However, over time, the men fail to enforce boundaries and the woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 10:02 PM
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Likely survivorship bias. Sex is mostly if not entirely psychological. So women will have higher sexual satisfaction if they feel more stimulated by the man. Relationships begin with each party having a fantasy of the potential relationship with their future partner, and over time as they get to know each other the mystery and novelty of the other partner that was previously filled with fantasy becomes crystallized with an understanding of who their partner is and their partner's capacities and …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:47 PM
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Most men that use analysis like that are autistic. The real goal should be to understand what women want. These men are unable to do so because they mistakenly assume that women want the same things that they do or will otherwise express what they actually want directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:28 PM
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A perfectly normal woman will receive worse treatment from the same man even if she genuinely loves him and he loves her back First of all, the "effort" coming from the man is unsustainable. Most men do not enjoy being overly romantic or gifting women time, attention and money unilaterally; instead they are doing so to garner the woman's attention, and if they do secure a relationship, the effort will eventually fall off. All relationships are reciprocal. They may not begin that way, but the par…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:22 PM
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I don't know why everyone is only talking about dating apps. On other apps there isn't a large gap been male and female presence and when there is it skews female.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 03:45 PM
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The argument is not that men don't have feelings or women don't have thoughts, but rather what they care about when judging or understanding others. In the example of the abusive woman, the man isn't staying in the relationship because he feels embarrassed to share his own thoughts, but because he has a low self-image and feels his thoughts or feelings are not as important. Having low self-esteem is not an emotion, but a perception that can then result in emotions. For the stripper example, it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 02:57 PM
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Narcissists most definitely care about how they are perceived, in fact it might be the only thing that they care about. And I'd say that caring about how you are perceived is vastly different from caring about how you affect people. People perceive you in all sorts of inaccurate and stupid ways, and maintaining a certain image has very little to do with actually helping people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 10:50 AM
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I'd say he is "capped" in the sense that the woman will likely see him in a submissive or low status role and so won't take him seriously as a long-term relationship prospect. In terms of sexual attraction, I think it would have some effect but not enough to disqualify him from a casual hookup. In terms of the attractiveness of the woman he can pull, I don't think it would have much of an effect because it's not affecting how attractive (sexy) he can be, just how seriously the woman can take him…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 01:45 AM
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This is also assuming your goal is as many one-night stands as possible. Otherwise, "exposure" is irrelevant if you are invisible to women that would take you seriously in a different environment. The waiters aren't getting access to the hottest women, just the most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 01:35 AM
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Yes, women do all those things, just not with men they are interested in having a relationship with, likely because women feel turned off when pursuing a man. Women subconsciously understand they want the man to play a dominant role in pursuing them, but fail to understand that in order for the man to do so the woman needs to play a submissive role. What ends up happening is the women then end up being pursued by men who don't care about the woman's role in the relationship, and then the women c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:18 PM
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If by get along you mean maintain fake friendships with women they hate and frequently change out their "friends", then I'll agree with you. I just don't think those things are conducive to a long-term relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 05:02 PM
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In this context, it was in regards to women being afraid of used by men, and what I was saying was that they wouldn't be used by men if they sought reciprocal relationships, because each party would be expected to contribute. If you are not getting the kind of attention or interest from men that you want, it's because you are not offering the kind of interest or attention they want from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:55 PM
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They don't. The more self-absorbed a person is, the more difficult relationships are for them, and the more happy they will be remaining single. The point is that needing to be single to be happy is a reflection of your difficulty with relationships, not everyone else's.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:49 PM
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Can male hypergamy and polygamy be a nuisance to family life, chilo rearing, birthrates and men's roles as fathers and husbands? Polygamy can, which is why most societies historically had "socially enforced monogamy." Do you think male polygamy and hypergamy paradoxically limits his options? Paradoxically? It certainly limits their options, but historically most men had even less access to women than they do now. Now that women have been "sexually liberated", and women's expectations for a monog…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:29 PM
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All relationships are reciprocal. Men are showing they have other priorities, but women who get used for sex are generally not interested in the men who show these priorities, or more commonly the priorities of the man in general. Yes, if a man takes on the burden of unilaterally explaining his priorities in a way that the woman wants, when she wants, how she wants, she will probably understand them...but why would he put in the effort to do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:17 PM
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Women don't feel they have the burden of performance in establishing and maintaining a relationship, so they don't care about understanding it. For them, it is men's responsibility to figure it out. They just don't realize that if most men don't figure it out, they're going to have to either remain single or start sharing men. And they will say in response that it's not worth being with a man if he can't improve their life beyond what they can do by themselves, but they don't realize that they a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:09 PM
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In my experience, women care about how other people perceive them far more than men do. It may seem like they don't care about an individual man, simply because they prioritize others' opinions more than he would, so a man who can convince them that more people agree with him (either through his status/power/influence or by aligning his opinion with that of society) will be taken more seriously by them than a man whose opinions align less with others (either because he cannot convince them or be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:44 PM
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Society puts all kind of limitations on acceptable ways of them finding a partner and then shuns them for failing at it. Women do this to filter out men that approach them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 02:01 PM
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But the overwhelming majority of serious feminists actually condemn what you're describing, it's the other side of the coin of gender essentialism and it's literally promoting sexism in a twisted way I don't necessarily disagree with you, but most of the people promoting these terrible opinions are not "serious feminists" any more than the amount of men selling financial advice are economists or professional investment analysts, just like most of the people who say "studies show" are not profess…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:51 AM
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I'm a hypergamous woman, and if I 100% can't stand being with a man that's not at least twice as good as me, then you making me pathetic on purpose won't change my standards. This has to do with self-image. The variables in hypergamy are what you think your own status is and what you think the man's status is. If your status is lowered, it won't technically change what you want from a man, but it will change what you consider "out of your league" and make the man relatively more attractive than …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:45 AM
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The idea that women should not be punished for or discouraged from anything they feel or want does not exist only in my head, there are a lot of women (and some men) who feel this way, talk about it, and even advocate for it. It may not be "feminism", but that's the term they use to describe it. They may not explicitly state that women can do no wrong, but they refuse to acknowledge it in any scenario, and push back against men criticizing women for pretty much anything. This is typically not be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:26 AM
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Arguing with people can be seen as a metaphysical extension of physical competition or battle, so there is a status reward to be gained from being the winner. As others have mentioned, it is also a method for debate and analysis, but that's if you and the other person both have the same goal and are open to the possibility of agreement. The alternative to openly and directly communicating with others in an attempt to influence or persuade them, is indirect communication in an attempt to manipula…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:04 AM
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I'm gonna assume for sake of argument that "feminism" doesn't mean equal legal rights for men and women, but rather whatever the distorted version of feminism is now that advocates for social justice and demands that women should not be socially discouraged from or punished for any behavior. Feminism didn't make women worse. It just revealed the side of them society never had the courage to admit existed. I agree with your second point, but not your first, and here's why: Yes, feminism has helpe…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:52 AM
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I would argue that humans are social creatures, so pretty much every social interaction you have with another person requires you to care about how they view you. One man said to me "You should care so that you can match their preferences." I don't think you can match their preferences, but it absolutely is important that you align how you are perceived with who you feel you are. As the dark knight said, "it's not who you are underneath, but what you do, that defines you." Or in this case, what …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:26 AM
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Women are power diggers. Some of them see power in status, some in money. Subconsciously they all see it in a man's physical capability. "Gold diggers" refers to women who monogamously prostitute themselves. Wanting an ambitious man is not necessarily wanting a man to spend a lot of money on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:37 AM
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I'm sorry that you had the experience you did, and I'll agree that men generally push aside their emotions in the mistaken belief that their emotions don't matter or affect their success in the world. Why men fail to grasp the bridge between motivation and the emotions that drive it, I'm not sure, apart from the reasons I outlined in my initial comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 09:45 PM
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I think you can care about people beyond what they feel in the immediate situation. Raising a child would require you to do so. Also, I'm not suggesting that men are emotionless or that anyone behaves in a 100% male or female way, just that these are patterns of how they interpret what other people care about. Both genders want people to care about them, but how they perceive this care is different. It's like love languages, except gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 09:24 PM
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You are right that it is not clear what the difference is between what we "think" and what we "feel". I would say that in a philosophical and psychological sense, feelings and thoughts are essentially one and the same, and they ultimately cause each other. Our thoughts determine our feelings, and our feelings determine our choices. However, for the purposes of this discussion, I attempted to separate out the concept of thoughts and feelings in order to explain why there is a gap of understanding…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 09:17 PM
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I can switch "men" and "women" and replace "feelings" with "oppression", and the same comment could be equally valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:17 PM
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Well I'm just saying biology and psychology are complex and people have been trying to figure them out for thousands of years, just be aware that there is always a tradeoff. You can't impact one aspect of your biology or psychology without it affecting something else downstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:11 PM
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Yeah I think this is a neurotypical thing that's more pronounced in women. The idea that you could say something neutral because you found it interesting or useful and not simply to make the other person feel something, is an alien concept to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:49 PM
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To me, thoughts aren't interesting. Like you said, they tell me nothing. So why would I worry about them? You wouldn't, for the same reason you didn't read the whole thing. That was part of if not my whole point lol. You don't really care about thoughts in and of themselves. I will say that you can infer what other people are feeling from their thoughts, though how accurately you can will vary between people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:45 PM
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I think you should understand male psychology a little bit more before assuming that becoming physically like one will make you like one psychologically. Although the evolutionary basis of male psychology has a lot to do with physical power, it is only a historical explanation, not a description of current male psychology. For example, men are also scared of wild animals, one example being bears. Men also compete with each other in all sorts of non-physical ways that have very little to do with …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:35 PM
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I agree that in a philosophical and psychological sense, feelings and thoughts are essentially one and the same, and that ultimately cause each other. Our thoughts determine our feelings, and our feelings determine our choices in a "logical" manner as you mentioned above. However, for the purposes of this discussion, I attempted to separate out the concept of thoughts and feelings in order to explain why there is a gap of understanding between men and women in several scenarios. Even so, there a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:28 PM
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Your experience will be subjective, but any time you make a choice that goes against the cultural narrative you are indeed overriding social programming. Ultimately, regardless of how any man feels about it, he will have to do so if he wants to succeed in an environment that isn't designed to perfectly accommodate his desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:09 PM
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I addressed this in my post. A man lusting for a woman is not enough to make him like her, he is also doing other things to make her feel good. Otherwise there would be no such thing as male incels, because any man that is not asexual or gay has lusted over a woman at some point in his life that he did not end up into a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:05 PM
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Majority of the PPD women are happily married and telling y'all "stop making it so damn difficult for yourselves". Indeed, they tell us very useful things like, "don't be autistic." They also tell men who have issues with getting female attention to just be friends with these nonexistent women first. They tell men not to date any woman that expects him to pay for her or blames him for her own actions, and then tell the same men to "stop making it so damn difficult for yourselves." I could go on …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:00 PM
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I think what you said in regards to being objective applies to both men and women. Men, due to being socialized to explicitly AVOID examining or processing our emotions much, suck at being aware of when those emotions are interfering with our efficacy in life or have quietly gained the upper hand over our reason. Women are raised to feel, feel, feel and given safe, validating spaces in which to do so. There is nothing stopping men from sitting still and observing their own feelings and thoughts.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:45 PM
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Replace "women" with "men" and the same comment applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:34 PM
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Although I don't think you're wrong, I'm not sure that the point is the differences in the genders when it comes to empathetic ability. The argument I'm making is not the ability of women to understand what men think or of men to understand what women feel, it's that they don't understand that the other gender does not care about the same things as them. For example, it is possible for me to understand that someone is a virgin, without understanding that they don't care that they are a virgin. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:30 PM
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wait so men don't have any empathy and basic social skills ? now that u say it it all makes sense I don't think there is a point in this sentence other than masturbation. this post makes the whole male gender seem stupid.. like how come you don't realize sex workers don't actually like you..? How come women don't realize that men who beat them or cheat on them don't actually like them? Is it because they are stupid?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 06:20 PM
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Wow this is incredible. Thank you for the research. I had some awareness this was based in science but it's also something you can observe from women themselves. It would be interesting to know what prompts women to try and shame other women into going against the cultural narrative. It seems obviously hypocritical, yet you see it happening all the time online.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 04:17 PM
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I really don't know why women push for "warm approaching" that much Two reasons: They wouldn't approach themselves, so they don't know/care about how it would be for men, only how they receive it. Women are terrified of even cold approaching a stranger, they would be mortified at the thought of being rejected by a friend. Women tend to change and update their social circles far more frequently than men do, and aren't as tied to them or have as deep friendships with the people in them. Other than…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 04:06 PM
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Women are conformists. They have evolved to avoid social rejection at all costs, because they did not have the power to stand up to authority or dominate others into submission, which ultimately require you to be able to impose violence. Men are evolved to compete with each other for resources, while women were dependent on receiving resources from the larger society. For this reason, women see themselves as a collective, and the individuals are subject to the mercy of the collective. This is wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 03:47 PM
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They don't "turn demisexual", they're just less attracted to them and need more conscious stimulation for responsive rather than spontaneous desire. This is like saying men "turn romantic" for the hottest women. Also, women being hypergamous means that their attraction is always somewhat dependent on context. It doesn't work the same way as men's, which is why this sub exists to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 11:43 AM
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It's easier to gauge if a woman is interested in you, because if she isn't she just won't talk to you. It's not as easy to gauge if a man is interested in you because he might be talking to you just to have sex. Even if a woman is just looking for casual sex, she will not be the one putting the effort, and even if she is, she won't do it for as long as a man would. Woman don't need to build a relationship with men to get them to have sex, as much as men need to build a relationship with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 11:15 PM
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Man here. Yes and no. Your boyfriend clearly doesn't understand men and women are different, or at least that you two are different. You're overreacting by his standards, but not by your own standards I suggest you explain to him that men and women are different, it's fine if he's not sensitive to the same things as you but he shouldn't dismiss what you feel either. He may also not understand that you might be venting to him rather than looking for a solution or trying to change something about …
/r/RedPillWomen28/11/25 10:35 PM
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It's hard for women in a different sense, they have to filter and most importantly they can't get feedback in the form of rejection. The only rejection they face is when they attempt to convert a man's sexual interest into something more, which is really difficult to analyze, because the man will still want to do all sorts of other things with the woman or lead her on in hopes of maintaining sexual benefit, as opposed to a pretty binary interaction of sex or no sex. It's my opinion that learning…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 10:23 PM
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If women can break free from societal norms entirely and establish a strict 50/50 division of household labour or just not be in relationships Technically I'd agree, but women have not done any of those things, because they constantly keep complaining about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:31 PM
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Idk if the Phillipines is a third world country or not but I don't see why a woman there wouldn't be able to attract a local with money instead of a foreigner with money. If she's marrying/dating for money, she can do it locally also. If she wants to go international, she has a much bigger pool than one man coming from the U.S. (I'm assuming he's from the states). Imagine a world in which women had agency and could make decisions with their own minds. Now imagine forcing a woman from that world …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:35 PM
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In the scenario he described, sure, but "abuse" is a term thrown around with no real meaning. Most women will justify their behavior based on how the man makes them feel. In theory, he could wait around for a woman that would not blame him for her own actions, but that would shrink his available dating pool to essentially nonexistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:21 PM
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I think for a lot of those men, the majority of their socialization comes from online. They learn discourse from interacting woth strangers. They form their culture from what strangers on the internet share with them. Their opinions are sourced from, refined in, and shared with the online world. I'd argue that these men don't give enough weight to stranger's opinions, and are instead more interested in strangers whose opinions mirror their own. The internet is a big place. If you truly approach …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:45 PM
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Is the idea then that being less of a pushover is all you need to do to improve the current relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 01:04 PM
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I think this is assuming that your partner is directly responsible for how they treat you, whereas at least part of OP's contention is that he is expected to be responsible for how he is treated in a relationship. Would it be fair to say that no one should be responsible for how other people treat them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:48 AM
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Self-respect can make you walk away from a woman, but I don't see how this applies to being in a relationship with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:17 AM
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I'd say it's the other way around. Follow her heart. If you can make her feel good, proceed. If you can't, she'll let you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:12 AM
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As a man you'l be celebrated for doing the bare minimum, everyone will call you such a nice guy for dating a woman with kids. Publicly. And no one is celebrated for doing the bare minimum. The woman will feel obligated to make it work in order to show the world that she was right to divorce her ex and therefore will make more compromises. Disagree. The woman letting the kid have a relationship with the bio father is the ultimate compromise. If the woman felt obligated to compromise, it would be …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:37 AM
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I'm arguing that physical beauty is not the only thing that could immediately improve a man's chances. But yes, improving the thing women care about less than men, will be less effective on women than it is on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:17 AM
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Well if you're talking about physical beauty, you are correct. If you're talking about overall attraction then as I mentioned above they can lie and wear accessories.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:14 AM
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Men can do all the same things, not sure why you think they can't. It doesn't make them gay any more than putting on clothes does. It just won't matter as much to women. I can't think of anything men can possibly do to boost their attractiveness in an emergency Men can lie. They can also put on jewelry, wear hats, and wear platform shoes. Edit: Also, women love suits on men. Not sure if you are counting clothes but they absolutely affect how attractive women perceive you to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:05 AM
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If you cannot attract the interest of even one woman in your life, you are the problem. It's not that hard to attract a woman's interest. It's not that hard to get a "girl friend", as in female friend. It's not that hard to find a woman willing to have sex. It is hard for some men to enter into and maintain a relationship with a woman. I don't understand men here who say they need to be incredibly good looking, wealthy, socially elite to attract any one. If you're 25 or 30 or 35 and you've never…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:41 AM
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The reason why women have the right to abortion is because no one can compel anyone to go through pregnancy and childbirth if they don't want to. But just because men don't need the right to abortion, because they don't go through pregnancy, doesn't mean you can substitute another obligation in its place. I agree with this argument. However, at the risk of picking at straws: No one can compel anyone to be involved in their children's lives or be a good parent if they don't want to. Women have th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 10:30 PM
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It is a bartering of attractiveness, but women are not merely attracted to statistics about men or their physical bodies. Men are a lot more visual, but for both genders behavior is a significant factor, otherwise men wouldn't pay for OF girls or be into specific "types" of women, or care how women act, in or outside of the bedroom. For women, however, behavior is a much bigger factor. There is behavior that women tend to universally be attracted to, but it is dependent on context. Blackpillers …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 08:11 PM
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Even if you have no experience with women (or men), if you can't learn at least some aspect of how they operate from platonic relationships or even just how they are depicted in media, fictional or otherwise, then you'll likely not be able to pick up anything from having casual sex with one you're not attracted to. Also, the skillset needed to sleep with a woman, have a relationship with her, and do either of these things with women at different levels of attractiveness, are all entirely separat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 07:33 PM
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Relationships where people pretend to match the interest of the other person, when they don't actually feel the way that they are portraying. For example, sugar baby and sugar daddy relationships where the sugar daddy thinks he can pay for desire from the woman, or FWB/situationships where the woman thinks that the man will eventually like her and want to be in a relationship with her if she pretends not to care about having a relationship long enough to "win" him over.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:33 PM
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There are indeed principles that apply to the entire female population, with at least one of them being that they are female. That being said, it would be useful for whoever is in your market. Most men have at least some standards and/or preferences, so their market of interest will be specific to those and there will be interests unique to people who are in these specific markets. For example, if you enjoy concerts or look for women there, you'll want to understand what women who enjoy those co…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:20 PM
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Yuck. Thankfully, I rejected men who felt that way. I'd argue that men should listen to what women tell them, but it's personal preference I guess. Both parties contribute to a relationship. True, which is why pretend relationships are much more common nowadays, until one party in the relationship unilaterally realizes this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 04:00 PM
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For the same reason my comment upthread is getting downvoted lol, modern society believes that if you're not constantly trying to have risky sex you're not doing it right. I don't care, it's not something I personally believe or care for.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:56 PM
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In that case I'd argue that broadly speaking, a woman's success will not be seen as shared with the man's success in the relationship, whereas there is at least some degree to which the man's success is expected to contribute to the relationship. Men who don't value women's career/financial success, believe women when women tell them that "your money is our money and my money is my money."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:52 PM
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I don't think PPD counts as equivalent or even comparable to therapy, but if you think it does I suppose your stance would be logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:46 PM
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I would argue that this very long time would be on an evolutionary scale, not a societal one. And also as I mentioned there would be a tradeoff with femininity and submissiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:44 PM
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Yes, but I'm also not having sex with women I wouldn't have children with, which makes me a flawed human apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:41 PM
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Because they fail to understand sexuality that doesn't fit into their performative roles. In other words, if you aren't turned on by what they think you should be turned on by, "why are you gae?" Of course, this often extends for behaviors outside of sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:38 PM
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From your OP: I'm so tired of seeing people demand my empathy for morons Do you realize that "morons" is subjective? If no one has empathy for people they don't understand themselves, no one would have empathy for anyone truly different from them. From your reply above: If they complain I think it would be a hypocritical stance to expect people who complain to sort out their problems themselves. Otherwise, what would be the point of complaining?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:35 PM
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Use autism as an excuse not to have social skills. That's great! So you'll let us speak openly about what women (and neurotypical humans) do that is unflattering, and not try and shut down or censor anything discussion that isn't worshipping one gender right? Also, people who are depressed should not use it as an excuse to not performatively display happiness and force others to acknowledge them, introverts should suck it up and just spend the same amount of socializing as their extroverted frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 03:09 PM
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Which is that they don't like getting rejected, they don't like getting embarrassed, they don't like being shut down, and they don't feel that they should have to do it because they are women. Yes. I'l break it down for you as simple as possible. Most women don't approach for the same reasons men don't approach. Not the exact same reasons. Do you really believe women handle rejection to the same extent that men do? Women get hysterical and paranoid over the slightest rejection that men face dail…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:57 PM
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No, but I wouldn't get a vasectomy either. And I'm not a fan of invasive or hormonal birth control in women. To be fair I feel weird about the idea of putting things inside your body or even just surgery in general, I would only do it if necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:23 PM
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For women, acknowledging that they are capable of violating consent goes against the narrative that they are always victims, and also the narrative that they have superior emotional intelligence to men and would be better at recognizing or refraining from violating boundaries. They see themselves as a collective and their judgment as collective, so the idea is that if they themselves are individually okay with something, it must be okay with all other women, otherwise they themselves would also …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:12 PM
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Study what your market dreams about having and become this I'd argue that this is what OP is referring to - it has to do with understanding motivation. Value is internal and thereby subjective, whereas motivation is external and thereby objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 05:47 AM
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Your perception of 1) me being natural and 2) me accepting you being natural is subject to how you feel at any given moment. If I'm autistic, my "natural" will seem off to you. If I'm having some personal issues and being forced to mask because I don't feel comfortable sharing my deepest feelings with everyone around me, my "natural" will seem fake to you, because it is. If I'm actually a bad person, my "natural" behavior might be very friendly and charming to people who know nothing about me. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:50 AM
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Do mother fuckers not understand how expensive IVF and sperm doner procedures cost? Typically, "mother fuckers" do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:01 PM
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Since you seem to be missing my logic trail, I'll reiterate it. A father relinquishing his rights does not mean he is not allowed to contact the child, just like no one else is prohibited from contacting the child. It just means he has no right to make decisions for the child. Now, the mother can prevent contact with the father by literally keeping the child physically away from him, but the woman cannot legally prevent the father from attempting to contact the child in legal ways. If it's the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 09:29 PM
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Um well I'm talking about sperm obtained from sperm banks, not men having sex with women. You would stop men donating to sperm banks by not allowing sperm banks. Also, the idea in most societies is that a father is generally necessary in the child's life. This argument is making the case that IF society agrees that a father is not necessary for a child, THEN there should be no obligation for him to play the role of a father either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 09:03 PM
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Single women that use sperm donors tend to be well off. Single mothers not so much. Personally, I've never seen any reason to believe that earning more money benefits children beyond contributing to their physical health and needs. The damage that I've seen done to children has come from many different things, but money is a very low or nonexistent factor, apart from lack of money damaging the child's physical health (food, medicine, etc.).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 08:53 PM
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By that logic, doesn't that mean if the man walks away before the child is born, then he is walking away from "zero child[ren] who need resources?"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 08:46 PM
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then the full amount of whatever child support would have been should become due in full to the mother This isn't the case even with current child support laws, because children are often used as pawns in custody battles and child support is weaponized. Men often make custody and child support agreements not because the man thinks they are fair, but because that's all he can afford, or the agreement is to the only conditions under which the woman will let him have custody of the child. For this …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 08:40 PM
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Sam Harris has the same problem lol. People like to believe that all of life's problems have simple solutions and dismiss philosophical inquiry as "worrying about hypotheticals that will never happen." Then when an actual professional philosopher poses hypotheticals that will never happen in order to provoke thought, people get outraged that he personally enjoys inflict suffering upon humanity, and is also inciting others to do these horrible hypothetical things, by asking questions. The idea is…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 08:18 PM
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Feminist and feminist-leaning posters overwhelmingly oppose the policy I'd agree that's not a feminist stance. Like Dave Chappelle said, if she can kill the child, then I can at least abandon it. As you mentioned, if the child needs a father, then it would also be unjust to allow sperm donors to single women. When feminists talk about equality, they can only really be talking about equal rights. Otherwise, children are the point at which equal treatment falls apart. Of course, modern feminism is…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 08:00 PM
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I'll agree with you that women are trying to get men (and other women) to do this, but I'd argue that's more indicative of them trying to get men to follow their own traditional female behavior, not traditional masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 05:38 PM
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Since the rules for male participation are 8 years old and refer to subreddits that no longer exist, I'll risk commenting here. If anyone could point me to new rules I'd appreciate it. (Man here). I posted this in PPD earlier, I'm just copying it over to here since it seems to be relevant. Red pill is theory of how sexual relationships work. Most men who come to red pill do so because they are struggling with dating and have little experience with women, so they often, but not always, think all …
/r/RedPillWomen26/11/25 05:30 PM
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Neurotypicals have never suggested dating is "just about looks." That's "just incel things." Also, looksmaxxers, incels, and autists are three different things. But to address your point, They're so observant with how people behave Yes...and no. I agree neurodivergent people often end up analyzing human behavior even more than neurotypical people simply due to the fact that they have no other way of understanding it. However, most of what autists need to do isn't develop mad "game"; they actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 12:21 PM
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Why is this logic unacceptable when men use it, but invisible when specific women do? It's not. It's just unacceptable to call it out in the larger society, which is why the men who want to do so, come here. But most people are generally aware when others are being illogical, they just don't necessarily say it out loud. Those women, like some of the other men here, aren't coming here to understand you, or understand their own views. They just feel wronged and want to rectify their perceived inju…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 08:23 AM
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I think "evolved" would make more sense than "created", but that makes sense nevertheless. The more common evolutionary psychology theory is that societies evolved monogamous marriage to ensure that they did not have a large population of males who did not have sexual access. Jordan Peterson got in trouble for talking about "socially enforced monogamy", but this is the concept he was actually referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 06:50 AM
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I think the problem, more than sexlessness, is the worship of sex in the modern culture. It would be much better to promote an understanding of the full spectrum of relationships, including but not limited to sexuality, and the exploration of sexuality beyond merely the physical act of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 03:58 AM
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I think the answer is pretty straightforward that a man should be the version of himself that he would most be attracted to if he were a woman, but also this is a hypothetical that is kind of impossible to expand on further than that (unless you are bisexual). Personality wise, it would be the same kind of men that inspire me now: confident, masculine and secure, who have a sense of humor and a curiosity about the world and other humans, and who value all their relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 03:53 AM
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First of all, this is impressive. Second of all, Your argument [incorrectly] assumes conscious choice overrides all structural, cultural, and social factors that shape behavior. Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 03:26 AM
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Traditional masculinity is the social script It is the expectation that men must always approach women, provide for them, and absorb emotional labor without complaint. This is the part where I, and many other men, fundamentally disagree. I don't think men approaching women is a product of social pressure, but rather biology. I've said it elsewhere, but I'll say it again here. Your belief set is inherently riddled with contradictions. You believe that 1) men pursue traditional masculinity because…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 03:07 AM
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You've said many different things in this post, but historically a certain percentage of men being lonely in any particular society absolutely leads to violence. What is the "traditional masculinity" women are trying to shame men into?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 02:05 AM
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Red pill is theory of how sexual relationships work. Most men who come to red pill do so because they are struggling with dating and have little experience with women, so they think all there is to relationships is convincing women to have sex with you. Anyone who has had a modicum of success with women understands that there is a whole world of female behavior beyond simply getting into bed with them. Most of redpill is the study of that world, but since most "red pilled" men have never seen th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 11:30 PM
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Most men want more from women than their bodies, the same way women don't just want men for their money (or bodies). It's just that men are usually not any better at expressing what they want than women are, so women think men's desires are either nonexistent or the same as theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:48 PM
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I'd argue those two things are one and the same. "Finding yourself," at least for a man, is understanding what role he will play in society and what relationships he wants to have, and you can't separate that from your means of income.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:26 PM
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Men generally don't need to spend money on women, it's not gonna buy any interest that wasn't there to begin with. Time, on the other hand, is actually the more costly currency. I would certainly spend money on women if it saved me time. I'd argue that the younger generation is actually wising up and not wasting time on dead ends. Like gambling, it's better to put smaller numbers on bigger odds, than to put bigger numbers on smaller odds. Going out and trying to randomly encounter women is not a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:03 PM
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I was one of those dudes sitting around and fantasizing. That being said, it makes no sense to kill yourself for mediocre rewards. I'll respect a man (or woman)'s hustle, but if I'm hustling, it's not to climb the corporate ladder or try and make marginally more money to impress women. When I did wake up, I ended up getting a lot of numbers and talking to a lot of women. But the reality is that they simply weren't worth pursuing a relationship with. I'm far more selective about putting my effort…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 09:54 PM
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Because they can't do both? Having a full time job and also having time to pursue women sounds like an oxymoron to me. I had the most dating success when I was unemployed, and I'm a millennial. Being stuck in the corporate ratrace was justifiable when all your peers and social cohort were experiencing it together, and therefore had a similar dating market. With the advent of Instagram and social media, women have the illusion that they can have it all and that all other women are indeed getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 08:55 PM
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The reason they ask this question is because they understand that you can't change others. What the other person wants wil come out eventually. How each person's intentions can align, however, is soemthing that will be determined over time. The thing that asking this question doesn't take into consideration is that the other person likely will not actually know what they want, or even if they do, they will likely not be able to explain it. Even if a person tells you what they are looking for, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:16 PM
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I find it strange that there are people that would argue that generational gap would have no impact on dating experiences. Yes, fundamental truths about human nature haven't changed, but it should be obvious that men and women are exposed to things now that they weren't before. Even immigrating to a different country could drastically change dating expectations, why would growing up with an entirely separate cohort of peers not do the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:03 PM
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When people look for relationships, they look for the treatment that they find ideal. They aren't looking for people, they're looking for relationships and experiences that they are hoping the people they date are willing to give them. If they do find people who can give them the treatment they want, they then form relationships with those people. People then judge their relationships and interactions with others on the basis of their past experiences. This is how we grow and understand not only…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 07:16 AM
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Why would a woman being weak or vulnerable physically not affect the way she seeks to protect herself? Even weak men have a certain psychology of self preservation resulting from their physical weakness, where they try to appeal to others to protect them. Women are extremely vulnerable while pregnant, and humans are one of the few species whose children are dependent on them for so long after being born. If women are not psychologically different, then why would men be the ones committing 99% of…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 06:41 AM
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In my experience, the dating apps are what you make of them. Once you get a number off the app, it's no different than getting a number anywhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:15 AM
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I had a friend who was a narcissist, I'm not sure if he ever verbally or physically abused anyone, but he definitely took advantage of a lot of people, if not everyone, that he had a relationship with. I definitely enabled him with the women he dated, looking back, I'm not proud. Eventually I saw him treat his sister and mother a certain way, and it triggered me to realize that my relationship with him was more one-sided than I thought. Then I realized that all his relationships were always one-…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 02:28 AM
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1) You seem to be correlating money with ability to get sexual attention. I wouldn't say money is a reliable enough predictor of sexual interest. 2) I'm not sure why you think the men in the bottom 1/5 will just sit around sadly and quietly die. You do realize this has never happened in human history?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 02:08 AM
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They should be worried about dry dick losers. The "dry dick losers" aren't going to sit around and "yes massa" as their social and economic conditions cave in. I think this is getting a little off topic though lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:52 AM
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It is unfortunate that men say that in modern culture, but look at a historical and global context and that sentiment has been historically very rare, if not virtually nonexistent. It's more likely what you're seeing is the result of modern culture than what men innately want.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:26 AM
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I'm not talking about MGTOW, I was agreeing with you. I'd say successful men are doing okay. I disagree that most men are doing well enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:21 AM
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Seeing as there are a bunch of comments on this already I just edited to clarify it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:19 AM
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Most of the sad, autistic, weirdo, shut in men that inhabit the purple pill debate realm will be the first to go. They are already going, we are telling women and society at large, no one is listening. Unless you suggest we force women to do things, there is nothing more to do here other than talk, and even talking is restricted. But I also find it strange that for a group that hates on autistic men y'all keep taking casualties literally. It doesn't even make sense in that context. When I say "l…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 01:05 AM
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They might be asking why you didn't want to use your degree because it's strange to get a degree you wouldn't use. You could simply tell them you were having a hard time finding jobs in the industry you got the degree for. I wouldn't worry about women that care about anything related to your job other than it being legal and safe and having reasonable hours. The right woman won't care about it, at least not while you're in your 20s. You don't want to attract women on the basis of your income. I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:59 AM
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Um no not actually casualties, I meant more what you are describing, although "casualties" generally refers to people killed in war. I don't know if it's more devastating than murder or rape, but it certainly is devastating. I think the most devastating part is how easily they could wake up and not have to suffer. It gives you an insight into how badly people will hold onto their beliefs, even if they have to sacrifice everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:45 AM
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It's definitely an autism thing. A lot of "incels" are autistic, but because they appear to be high functioning they fail to accept that they are missing some fundamental understanding, and that most people don't operate the way they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:01 AM
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In a relationship, men have to make an ongoing effort to ensure she feels secure, even when it means postponing or denying their own emotional needs. I think women in modern first world countries are rarely if ever exposed to danger in a physical sense, and with the modern pc police and cancel culture, are also virtually never exposed to emotional danger in the form of criticism or even simply beliefs and observations that don't align with their reality. That coupled with their innate fear of re…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 11:53 PM
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Considering assortative mating is the norm, a woman upgrading her career will both put her in the orbit of men with better careers This is where we fundamentally disagree. A woman upgrading other aspects of herself will not make her more attractive to men in general. Let me tie in your other points as the explanation will incorporate them as well. we all know that being attractive enough to fuck takes zero effort. But being attractive enough for a guy to want a real relationship takes more than …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 11:23 PM
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Hopefully many of us are aware You got me there. Kudos for the optimism lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:22 PM
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Women's Dating Rules Are Impossible and often Hypocritical Yes. Tell me how's any man supposed to read that map? Not with logic. Women aren't breaking down the logic of why they want what they want, they are simply describing what they want to you. To understand women, you need to know what they feel. Of course, what they feel is rooted in a science of its own, but you're certainly not going to get to it by trying to follow the directions they provide to you. This doesn't mean there aren't rules…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 09:09 PM
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One of the problems with offering true equality to the genders is that women will still be responsible for birthing children and taking care of infants. There will always need to be some gender based accommodation for this role that will uniquely and disproportionately apply to young mothers and pregnant women. Other than that, gender differences will ultimately have to regulated by society more so than by governments. There is the legal problem of defining gender - as much as many would like to…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 08:56 PM
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Losers don't try and analyze their situation objectively and understand patterns. They also repeatedly ignore very simple things that conflict with their worldview because they are afraid of realizing they could be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:12 PM
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This is assuming all women are willing to wait and all men are not. There are a lot of men that are willing to wait and a lot of women that are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 05:57 PM
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Appreciate the love. To elaborate, when I say, "keep it real", I'm referring to the concept known as covert contracts. What this would look like in a man is a man who tries to be "nice" or spend money on a woman in the form of gifts or otherwise, in order to elicit sex from her. Which doesn't work, because while the woman may appreciate those things in their own regard, they don't turn her on and are not related to her sexuality. The man gets frustrated that he can't use currency or morality to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 04:26 PM
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To use your example, it's less effort for the man to become "too pretty to clean" than it is for the man to actually clean. This is based on the expectations of your gender, if you have a problem with it, take it up with them. And in case you refuse to understand and think I'm talking about him putting on makeup, I don't literally mean "pretty".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:20 PM
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Neither a man nor a woman will make themselves more attractive to their partner by doing chores. It's just that for men, using the time and effort saved on not doing chores to upgrade some other element of himself, particularly career wise or character wise, will make him more attractive to his partner, while a woman doing the same will not make her more attractive to her partner. performing the traditional woman’s role is completely and utterly not respected or appreciated I could say the same …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 03:05 PM
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I think this is more rhetoric than a reflection of what these people actually want. Everyone wants the quick and easy way, but if they could get it they wouldn't be here complaining lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:57 AM
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I don't think you can buy the male presence with a random guy, but I agree that you may be able to buy it indirectly as you mentioned by enrolling them in sports or other skill-based activities and classes if those activities have strong male coaches. I wouldn't consider the dad teaching or training kids as domestic work, so I do think that is something that is part of a father's role. I think men should also take into account the value a woman provides as a mother if they want to have a family,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:49 AM
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All relationships are reciprocal. When you seek reciprocity and offer it, instead of trying to make covert contracts or present an image not grounded in reality, you will see through the bullshit, because you won't be for sale and your desires won't be up for negotiation. Superficial women take advantage of superficial men, and vice versa. The easiest way to scare them away is to go deep and penetrate into the recesses of their spirit, and try and earnestly understand what they really want, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:33 AM
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To be fair there are many men like that in the world also, just not necessarily in Western areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:23 AM
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Lol idk if you're trolling talking about a substitute Dad. I didn't mention anything about kids for exactly that reason, because men would want to spend time with their kids notwithstanding the labor of childcare, so it would convolute the point. Doing things like taking care of the kids doesn't make a woman more attractive, but it could make a man more attractive if we are talking about interacting with the kids and not just doing labor for them. The woman will judge his behavior with children …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 07:20 AM
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It is a call to action, and I don't know what that has to do with men in general. It just doesn't tell them anything about what they should actually do to maintain the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 06:25 AM
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No, but men get bonus points for other things that outweigh the cost of doing the domestic work. It's better for the man to create value in the relationship that justifies the woman doing domestic work than to try and mitigate the domestic work.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:54 AM
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Let me see if I can put this in a more direct way: There is a certain amount of work you are willing to do for your partner, that makes it worth living together. This is true for both men and women. In theory, men and women are equally burdened with domestic work; however men are uniquely burdened with maintaining the relationship, because they were uniquely burdened with developing it. The man takes the woman out on dates. The man shows her the world. The man appreciates her and gifts her flowe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:50 AM
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Men need bonus points to maintain the relationship, if the relationship becomes stagnant, the woman gets "bored" and leaves. Having the women do more of the chores is not as detrimental to the relationship IF the man utilizes the time saved to do something that contributes to the woman being attracted to him. What amount of domestic work could a man you're not attracted to do in order for you to consider having sex with him? The answer is that no amount would of domestic work that a man you're n…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:33 AM
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Because the upkeep required to maintain the relationship cuts into the man's available time for chores. Let me explain through a story. Most men are doing their own chores. When a woman moves in, she brings a lot of furniture, clothes, and other useless shit that the man never needed and benefits him in no way, but he becomes responsible for maintaining it. The man and the woman also begin gradually engaging in other pointless hobbies like watching stupid TV shows or socializing with "friends" t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:21 AM
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The problem is that men do not get bonus points for doing the household work, they only get punished for not doing it, and it has no impact on women's expectations from men in other areas. Would it be more fair to split house work 50/50? Possibly. But practically speaking, as a man it's much easier to invest the time into things that will make you more attractive (working out, making money, side hustle, hobbies, etc.) and just try and find a partner willing to take on more domestic duties, than …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 01:02 AM
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If he gave a fuck about having relationships and friends, he would listen. Listen to what? Telling somebody it's their fault they don't have relationships is not exactly God tier advice. Would you tell someone who's depressed to just stop being sad?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:35 AM
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You're going off topic. Yes, wanting to be pursued by a woman is feminine. Crying that women don't approach you is low IQ. There's a reason women have rarely if ever approached men throughout history, and it's not "muh societyyyy". So that would mean by proxy that I shouldn't take most of these shitty woman's opinions seriously. Sounds like you've answered your own question. which again is stupid You really got me with that circular reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:28 AM
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But you didn't say Shazam Shit you got me. But you just demonstrated that women are indeed like children. Which isn't a good look for them Women are indeed like children, and it is a good look for them. Being like children benefits them in many ways, not the least of which is their ability to interact with and care for young children. There's a reason that women say they want to be taken care of. Regardless, my point here was not that women are children, that's a different topic. My point was th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 12:18 AM
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I transformed from a child (boy) to an adult (man). I became more in touch with my masculinity as I got older by observing polarity in my behavior and women's. Over time I sought to understand innate gender differences, as opposed to adopting the feminine behavior of whining and crying and demanding that women become more like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:53 PM
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To be very honest, I never understand the point of these posts, and the more they try and explain it the more confusing it becomes. So I have no idea how close or far I am from OP's point. I try and just look for coherent bits. Upon further review, let me try and respond to what I think his actual point is: OP responded to his own point, women will not ask men out because it would make them lose attraction to do so. Women are built differently than men. First of all, they cannot handle rejection…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 11:13 PM
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This is defeatist; women also often think that one thing makes you attractive, and use it to justify everything else about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:44 PM
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Liking women has nothing to do with simping. If by share stuff you mean sharing thoughts and feelings then simps absolutely do not do that, they mask their own feelings to appease women. If by share stuff you mean give money that they don't actually want to give then yes simps absolutely attempt to purchase desire from women. Making women cum has nothing to do with simping, simps care about validation and approval from women, not women's pleasure. Cheating has nothing to do with simping. As ment…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:26 PM
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I also don't care if you don't find it attractive that you have to go out and ask a man, times have changed Ah yes, now instead of being forced to sleep with unattractive men, women can choose to sleep with unattractive men! Golly, I wonder why they just won't do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:00 PM
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They don't wanna be women, they already are women and don't want to accept it or try and transition through the difficulties of being a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:56 PM
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TRP cannot help men who insist on being victims, but a lot of "incels" or blackpillers are not actually as ugly as they like to believe they are. The social issues (and often the appearance) are very commonly the result of underlying autistic traits, in the sense that these men are quite literally failing to understand human behavior, a subset of which is female behavior. The fact that they can articulate themselves and communicate with others means that they certainly have the mental capacity t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:45 PM
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I think women understand more than men that if a relationship isn’t actively GROWING, then it’s dying. You can’t just coast on yesterday’s energy. This is interesting. I think, as you say here, that this has to do with the way men and women see relationships in general. Whereas a woman will often measure a relationship based on the man's "engagement" in the relationship, men can "disengage" for long periods of time with each other without it affecting the way they see each other. Women seem to n…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:35 PM
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My response is twofold: 1) Sex and sexual attraction is enough in and of itself, if you don't have to live together or otherwise do anything together or have a family. Otherwise you need personality to be compatible in other ways. 2) Even within sex itself, most men want the women to participate more than simply being a "starfish". I think even you might have mentioned elsewhere that women are often clueless that they actually have to contribute to the sexual experience and not just lie motionle…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 09:12 PM
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Yes PUA was the origin of red pill and has been proven over and over again to not actually be significantly more effective than random chance. But red pill did talk about "spinning plates" and even just general relationship dynamics and theory, it's just that men who could get girlfriends and maintain long-term relationships were not exactly the core audience, and that content just wasn't as popular. Your argument is like saying "investing in the market" is a scam because people fall for crypto …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 08:58 PM
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There are reasons to keep attractive women around, but maintaining sexual interest is too volatile to use as the basis of a friendship. When I was younger, I understood inherently that women would not be interested in getting to know me unless I gave them the tingles, so I would have to "lead them on" in the initial phases of courtship just to talk long enough to know if I wanted to continue. The 2-month mark was a pretty universal point at which these women would lose interest, because they did…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 08:44 PM
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I'd say there's a concerted effort to not allow anything negative to be said about women or have them feel bad, falling under the general category of the concerted effort towards political correctness. It's not going to work, of course, because appeasing women is a slippery slope that only simps will attempt, and relationships built on it will ultimately fail. The result of convincing women that they can do no wrong will be that men will only be able to hold on to relationships with self aware w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 08:31 PM
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Women have no problem with "losers" and "nice guys" as long as those men know their place. What women don't like is being deceived. If you're genuinely a friend and not just trying to deceive her, a woman will be okay with you. It's when you make her feel that you are her friend and then switch up, that she has a problem with you trying to manipulate her. Problem is, what makes women feel deceived is how they feel at any given moment. This is also known as the light switch effect. To use the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 08:18 PM
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If you don't respect your partner, you will justify however you treat them. If you don't respect yourself, you'll justify however they treat you. You can love and respect people without expecting them to do anything except love and respect you back. However, there is nothing you can do to or for people to make them love or respect you if they don't to choose to on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:57 PM
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Yes, you can be honest without being direct. Refraining from lying is not the same thing as saying everything you think out loud. That being said, women will judge you more based on how you make them feel than what you actually say.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:43 PM
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This is probably true, right wing men believe that men and women are different in their sexual preferences and that their sexuality and sexual preferences don't merely result from social conditioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:38 PM
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Whether they used the scientific method or not, it was men trying to collectively understand how women operate. I'm not suggesting that they got everything right, but they got more right than "just be yourself." Not trying to prove that Rollo is a sex god or super academic professor, or that they were all Spartan brothers defending each other to the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:11 PM
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Idk if it's most men but certainly a lot of men, and for most men this becomes more important over time as they understand other human beings more.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:00 PM
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Yes, the men here "state" that. They're here for a reason, and we all know how good people are at honestly and accurately describing their beliefs. Men who only care about looks, are looking to live out a fantasy in their heads, and don't need the woman to contribute anything other than her body in order to do so. However, men who are interested in doing anything else with a woman, or actually enjoy a woman participating in sex or dating, will need that woman to contribute to the shared relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:57 PM
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This is assuming that men only care about sex. With that presumption, yes it is easier to get sex, for the average man. I would even say it is easier to learn how to get sex for the average man. However, my father would not have advised me on how to have sex with as many women as possible. Keep in mind we are also talking here about men that already have a harder time understanding women than the average man. In this case, we are talking about understanding women broadly, not merely having sex. …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:39 PM
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I was explaining why they are they way they are, not arguing that they're impressive. that's his fault I'm sure he knows that, but it's likely that's the only thing he's been told about it. 12 to 17 are teenagers Are you suggesting that teenage behavior does not correlate with adult behavior? Because I've seen plenty of women who behave like teenagers and are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:21 PM
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My point in saying that prostitution is not discouraged was to say that sex is seen more casually, not that every woman is prostituting herself. However, the lowering of the value of sex has translated across to all sexual exchange, ranging from as small as trying to look good for sexual attention to actively prostituting yourself. Such as? One of the features common to women's sexuality is hypergamy, which has been studied for decades now. There are other things as well, but this is a very larg…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:14 PM
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I mean this more so in the sense that the onus is on the men to pursue or charm the woman. Whether a man found you "fascinating" or not would be a reflection of his reason for pursuing you, but he would still have to be "fascinating" himself to get with you. As compared to how many women think that they only need to play a very passive role in courtship. A lot of them (incorrectly) believe that how they look is the only thing that matters to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:09 PM
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The "evidence" is research into the basic understanding of the history of what "Red pill" actually was and where it came from. I'd type it out here, but I'm not convinced that you're actually interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:04 PM
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It has nothing to do with their family. If they're talking about women from 20 years ago, it's either because the men have had little experience dating since then, or that this woman was a pivotal point in their understanding of women and caused them to see women differently afterwards (or both). I'll give you an example: Women that claim to have dealt with several narcissistic men, but don't remember much about their experiences, and did not change as a result of them, have either 1) not actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:00 PM
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The average modern women sells her sexuality for attention far more than would happen in traditional societies. If the average modern woman truly cut out all public sexualization of self, she would be horrified at the loss of attention. A lot of "ugly" or wallflower women or women who are into niche subcultures realize this as they begin to see the massive attention gap between them and their friends who think they are just more "social." No point to ask "women" about what they want Yes women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:50 PM
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The "cult" IS the only one who has answers for you, because no one else will fucking talk about it, lol. Red pill is also not a fixed belief system that doesn't let you question anything. Anybody who tries to explain things to you is not indoctrinating you into a cult, unless of course you believe that any form of collective analysis or questioning your beliefs and trying to understand other perspectives, is cultish behavior. Which I can certainly see a lot of people on this sub believing. I'd a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:42 PM
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They might describe themselves in abstract rules, but they don't generally try and analyze those rules, and they don't like explaining how to apply them. That's the whole reason the red pill exists, otherwise men could literally just ask the women they're interested in to explain what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:32 PM
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Women have a flawed detection system. They are judging people based on how they feel about them. This is how they are convinced to stay with men that beat them and cheat on them. Men are manipulated in a different manner that they often equally fail to see through. It's not that women aren't putting effort, it's that the men manipulating them are directly manipulating their detection system in a way that doesn't work on men. These men often "lovebomb" and "gaslight" women into feeling certain wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:22 PM
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You can't learn if you don't practice I disagree with this and think it's also an incomplete understanding. You can learn without practicing, people learn by observing social behavior all the time. Autistic men will have a harder time with this, but I would also say the below: Most of what you need to learn isn't how to make a woman desperate to have sex with you. It's actually a lot of smaller things and micro interactions that simply show you whether she's interested or not. And most important…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:15 PM
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It's really not that complicated But then how will they repeatedly ask variations of the same question over and over again? Make it not make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:09 PM
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It's because if they try to talk about it out loud everyone will tell them "women are wonderful, it's always your fault." Everyone, that is, except men who are willing to openly make socially unacceptable statements about female sexuality, and it's usually not because they themselves are experts on etiquette and seduction. The kind of men that encourage other men to talk about their failures in relationships tend to be the kind of men who do the same themselves. When you censor moderates, you wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:03 PM
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Fathers: from a generation where women prostituting themselves was actively discouraged and could not have predicted modern female behavior. Brothers and friends: in the same boat. And in the modern world also afraid of being shunned for not publicly pretending that women aren't saints. Courting rituals did work and exist in the past, because everyone generally agreed on them, so appropriate behavior for romancing a woman was more codified. Women threw out the rulebook when their sexuality was l…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:58 PM
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generally losers that have never had a relationship Do tell us about your investigative journalism that uncovered this. How are these the people the represent you to the main stream? Because the "main stream" won't take serious people seriously. Tate and other performance artists are popular because they entertain men by saying true things in outlandish or amusing ways. The "main stream" depicts them as clowns, which they are because it makes them money. The whole reason that they are successful…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:45 PM
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Do you not think there is any science to female sexuality? These "losers" had to "share notes" because scientific discussion about unflattering female characteristics, or scientific studies that support unflattering results about female sexuality, are a no-no in today's society and get relegated to a quiet corner or outright censored. The fact that they might have been inaccurate wasn't the point, they were at least trying to understand women rather than being told, "women are wonderful, if you …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:37 PM
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Don't you see all the incels here whining about women? The whole point of TRP was to help them get real answers as to why they were unable to get women and what they should do, rather than being told "just be yourself" or "be a good person" or "you'll get the one for you someday...she'll randomly appear if you just be a good boy and wait long enough."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:30 PM
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It's honestly surprising/amusing/depressing how many people on this sub have no idea what "Red pill" means and think it means "I hate women."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:26 PM
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When dating, the onus is on the man to "not be boring". So even if they are equally boring, the man will have to put effort to not appear so.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:22 PM
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Gonna repost this: As others have mentioned, "prime" is individual. Everybody has their own prime. A woman being in any kind of relationship with a man is actually settling This is arbitrary and not how relationships or choices work in general. People "settle" when they compromise or make agreements that they don't actually want to keep. Otherwise, every choice you make in every interaction is "settling" because you are foregoing all other alternatives. It's actually the opposite, every choice y…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:04 PM
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Yes, people do that when they are explaining themselves. I'm referring to how red pill theory explains women in abstract rules, whereas women themselves will not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:43 AM
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There is no need to say anything about abstract rules You're right, women's sexuality has nothing to do with this. What I wrote didn't make sense. What I meant to say was, women will not explain what they want through abstract rules, but rather how they feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:37 AM
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As a man, what works with a woman who is genuinely interested in you, is following her lead. A woman who expects more will hint at it in various ways during your initial conversation. A woman who doesn't, will likely be overwhelmed by too much effort, and feel pressured to reciprocate if she continues talking to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:10 AM
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The solution is that those men most interested in pursuing women, and those women most receptive to men, will reproduce, and everyone else will not. To elaborate, you have a relationship with everyone (and everything) you interact with, whether you want to or not. People will not stop being social or lose the need to socialize, regardless of technology. . People will pursue socialization through any and all interactions that they have. Even forums like this provide a social outlet for people who…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:50 AM
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Men will always approach women, and society will always seek to put restrictions on men approaching women. It's just that up until women's sexual liberation, there was this thing called "marriage" that did that. Now that women are sexually liberated, they will have to set the rules of engagement. The problem is, women don't like the idea of judging things based on abstract rules, they judge based on their feelings. This is why you are constantly getting mixed messages. That, and no one being abl…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:38 AM
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This site is a dark corner of the world where stuff like that used to proliferate. Again, if you fundamentally believe that squashing the expression of "bad" beliefs is what leads to the de-radicalization of the populace, and also believe that men's only spaces inherently promote "bad" beliefs, then it is a logical viewpoint to think that shutting down men's only spaces is a "good" thing. It's not about censoring opinions How is shutting down men's spaces not about censoring opinions? You realiz…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 11:17 PM
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My point was the opposite, forcing men to dark corners where they can ONLY express extreme opinions on one end of a spectrum, without the moderation of more neutral beliefs, is what has resulted in "ramping up the bigotry." What you're saying would only be true if you believe that all men are bad all the time...so thanks for clarifying I guess, just not sure why you're on PPD then. Sorry but no group is allowed to have that I think I understand your argument now. You believe that society is resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 10:38 PM
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My point is not that the violation is equivalent, my point is that being "manipulated" by someone else's behavior is as much a reflection of your agency as theirs. If you're going to argue that your lack of awareness is the other party's responsibility, then you're making the same argument as the men here who claim that their inability to understand women is women's fault. "Manipulating" a woman into sex is as much rape as "manipulating" a man into giving you money is fraud. I am not arguing tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 10:26 PM
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I'm reiterating u/Psykotyrant's point that women are not comfortable allowing men to have their own spaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 08:46 PM
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By that reasoning, manipulating men into spending money on you by pretending to want a relationship would be fraud
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 08:43 PM
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I'd disagree with your latest sentence. I think there are many reasons to not want hookup culture, particularly when people feel pressured by it to have sex in situations they otherwise wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 08:37 PM
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Disregard most of what Im saying when the context is about people who knew each other for a long time before deciding to date and sleep together It's not clear to me what this means so I will just say that there absolutely are people, men and women, who want relationships and don't want casual sex, and who prioritize non-sexual elements of the relationship equally or more than sex. But otherwise, yes, men lie/pretend about many things, before, during and after relationships with women, in order …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 08:35 PM
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Would it be fair to say you don't date men then?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:49 PM
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The original Redpill subreddit and a few incel communities were shut down, I'm sure you were happy about that. I'm also confident you don't think anything bad could happen from isolating confused men and forcing them to align themselves with only the most radical extremists. It's like you believe that nothing bad could happen from calling anyone not a raging leftist a "Nazi" and treating all Muslims like terrorists. It seems that you think men are a threat that only women can contain, but at the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:43 PM
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Others here have mentioned this in different ways, but in the end, all relationships are reciprocal. All of them. They might not be in the beginning, but the expectation is that they eventually will become so. In fact, an argument can be made that all actions are undertaken with the expectation of reciprocity. On a somewhat related side note: can someone explain to me what the point of all this obvious karma farming is? I've never heard anyone brag about their Reddit karma IRL...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:13 PM
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I swear blackpillers have some sort of victim fetish the way they continuously ignore the very simple things you repeat to them over and over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:41 PM
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Oh I certainly do leave women that are desperate for sexual validation alone. On the other hand, when I encounter women that demonstrate their need to validate themselves supersedes their ability to empathize with other human beings, I absolutely take the bait. It's very rare to observe narcissism up close in a safe setting, and I get to learn what patterns and behaviors to avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:04 PM
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Ah the classic every man is a pedophile argument. Funny how those men magically stop being pedos in their 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 05:38 PM
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By this reasoning most young men in their 20s looking for relationships must be pieces of 💩. It would be nice to just pick up a fiancé at the local fiancé store, but most women, especially at that age, judge a man based on their own immediate sexual excitement and not whether the man is actually interested in a relationship or what his motivations are. If I have to give a woman tingles for her to talk to me, I'd rather go for a woman who is 18 with that mindset because she is simply naive, rathe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 05:33 PM
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Disagree. The overwhelming majority of women on OLD are not able to carry a conversation through text, and in person most of them just chatter about themselves endlessly. In contrast, I have younger cousins now in their late teens that, while often reverting to meme culture, actually can and do have long serious conversations. But I don't try to date my cousins, so it's possible they could be equally vapid and boring with men they want to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 05:20 PM
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You chose the wrong starting age. 18 year olds, as others have mentioned, could still be in high school and have little to no college or work or other "adult" experience. Even a 19 year old could still be a senior in high school. I'd say your specific example could work if both the 18 and 24 year old were in the same college or workplace for at least a few months to a year (making the 18yo closer to 19) and had spent that time getting to know each other, but two strangers who met online would mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 05:05 PM
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How dare you try to shut down argument by making sense of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 06:35 AM
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Women are told that whatever they feel is justified, and fail to take into account the extent to which their environment primes those feelings. For various reasons, they end up measuring their actions against the ambient morality, thinking that if they aren't reprimanded socially, their actions are fair and just. Unfortunately, they often fail to understand that what they think of as socially acceptable is a product of their own cultural bubble, and does NOT translate over to everything outside …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 12:49 AM
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I think a beta would be someone who engages in covert contracts and attempts to negotiate desire, also known as a "simp". I don't think merely being married to a woman and loving her make a man a beta. A beta is a man who knowingly engages in an asymmetrical relationship or attempts to garner desire from a woman through deceptive means because he believes he doesn't deserve it honestly. A man who feels confident in himself and in his desires doesn't need to sacrifice portions or all of himself t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:55 PM
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Same, there's a reason my flair is what it is lol. (Not because I'm a Chad but because I've seen too much)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 09:41 PM
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I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. Men and women are not only different in their private parts, they also actually have differences in the way they think and do things. When men complain no one cares. Yes, and? Women don't care about men's complaints. Men don't win attention from women by complaining. They never have, this is not news. Because men are horny and stupid Yes. Desperate men don't care about women's complaints either, they just care about doing what they need to in order to get…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:36 PM
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I mean, yeah, men who struggle with acquiring female attention, likely do not understand innate female behavior lol. I think this is also the result of the modern trend to convince everyone that their behavior is entirely the result of social programming, and that no one has any agency. Which is ironic, because the complainers innately understand that they are unable to behave in the way "society" is supposedly conditioning them to, and simultaneously (contradicting themselves) believe that chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:59 PM
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Women are multidimensional like all human beings. A woman who makes her personality into a caricature will eventually drop the facade and expose herself, at which point the man will have to develop a relationship with "her". A woman who is not performative will be okay with exposing herself and even actively want a man to engage with all aspects of herself. And a man who is interested in the woman will want to like all aspects of her persona also. If he doesn't, he's just using her as an object …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:33 PM
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Are the women advising them to leave the relationship going to financially support them? Only terrible "friends" would tell you to leave your income source while offering nothing. Maybe you're right, and these same women care more about validation, male or female, than actual friendship and support, which is why they are in these relationships to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:02 PM
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Whether women or men are better at being single is subjective and dependent on an individual perspective. I'll just say that many men are also choosing to be single rather than pursue women. reminding women they don't need to stay in a relationship that makes them miserable Yes, and the women are choosing to stay in the relationship because they are afraid of being lonely. Why else would they choose to be in miserable or abusive relationships or put up with shitty behavior? What do these women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:44 PM
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While I'm sure the need for validation has something to do with family dynamics, I think historically what you're describing has always been the case, so I can't see why it would change women only in the last 25 years. I'm afraid it just might be something even as simple as social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:02 PM
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Not exactly because on other subs you would be downvoted or banned for saying socially unacceptable things that you can say here, even if Reddit is skewed male. I suppose it will exist even more in subs promoting incel culture, but I don't really know much about those.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:56 PM
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Frequency of sex has nothing to do with the points I listed above. But I think what you are saying is predicated on the assumption that women are not able to control themselves when it comes to sex and will only be virgins or have low body count due to lack of desire. I agree that a lot of women are not interested in sex, but I think that has more to do with a lack of attraction to their partners or a lack of attractive partners. Women are not designed to be turned on in the same way men are. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:51 PM
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Switch "women" and "guys" in your comment and it's equally valid. What gives you the impression that women aren't doing the exact same thing? Women absolutely use sex, relationships and marriage with people they are not attracted to in order to escape loneliness. I thought that was at least partially implied in this post. Why else would women have to keep reminding other women that they don't need a man and trying to teach them to be secure in themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:36 PM
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It's because romantic relationships are built around sexual exclusivity. The lack of exclusivity degrades the uniqueness of the relationship. You being a virgin means that at least that part of your relationship with a man would be unique to you two. It would be like finding out the woman you're pursuing is super into one of your hobbies that no one else has ever been into - except instead of a hobby it's the very basis of your relationship. It's at least one thing, and possibly the most importa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:21 AM
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You kind of nailed it, the main part of women's involvement in the courtship process was their ability to say "no." "Courtship" wasn't just nice things men did for women randomly, it was a reflection of a man's intent to marry a specific woman, and her accepting this intent indicated that her agreement to the same. It wasn't merely "oh wow random strange man did nice things to me with no expectations at all!" The real mystery to figure out is what has prompted women to set their boundaries for v…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:51 AM
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They may not be more worthy of "good" treatment but they are more worthy of "special" treatment. Never understood why the impact of body count is confusing to so many women. If a relationship is built around sex, why would sexual experiences outside of the relationship have no effect on it? There is no other type of relationship where you pretend like part of your existence never happened and has no effect on you. It's only modern dating that pretends sex is meaningless while simultaneously trea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:32 AM
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Why are you not holding up your end? I don't think you realize that women's end is essentially being a virgin. Basically, the courting behavior you are describing was not a solo performance, men did the courting dance because they felt that a woman either already was dancing back with them, or would do so in response to the man's courting dance. In order for a man to make you feel special to him, he has to believe that he is special to you. And with the way women treat sex and sexuality in the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 04:49 AM
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This. I tried looking up other subs but to be honest none of them seem to really be discussing dating dynamics the way they are discussed on this sub. There are definitely men here who post to justify their anger against women and women who do the same, and it's definitely a huge chunk of the engagement here. But even so, it's worth it to see dating dynamics discussed in an environment that isn't an echo chamber. To me, this seems to lean towards the old TRP slightly opened up to bluepillers. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:00 AM
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Seems like you're lost in your own head. How does one gain confidence in an inherently evil world without actively and successfully exploiting others or benefiting from privilege granted by inevitably exploitative economies and governments? First of all, you are unnecessarily conflating confidence and economics. Value is subjective. It isn't necessary to generate any particular amount of value to feel confident in yourself. Other people can absolutely value you very highly with only minimal acti…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 01:27 AM
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Your point is that men who want to rape will do so more often when the consequences aren't as likely? This isn't shoplifting we're talking about here, it's an extremely violent act. The consequences may not be as likely, but they are still very heavy consequences. I don't see how any man who cares about consequences would make a calculation that jail time and destroying your reputation for life is a risk worth taking. That's like saying people would be more likely to murder someone based on thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:31 PM
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree that criminals are deterred by punishment. Recidivism rates and research on deterrence show otherwise. Nice switch, but in a society when men are believed and women are not all men are powerful enough to rape. That's just how it works. In a society where women are believed and men are not all women are powerful enough to falsely accuse. See how that works? Regardless, I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't believe women. I'm saying we should believe men and …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 04:03 PM
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Money is a proxy for power, which women are absolutely attracted to. Superficial women will definitely think you are more of a catch if you have more money. However, money that a woman is not aware of that does absolutely nothing for her, will not make her more attracted to a man. Even if a woman thinks a man has money, it only makes her more interested in him, not more attracted to him. Most importantly, women will not try and figure out if you have money, unless they are gold diggers. What mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 03:55 PM
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Powerful men also get away with murdering others and all sorts of other crimes. The fact that powerful men got away with crime of all sorts against all types of people is not a reflection of society denying legal protection to only some of their victims. The kind of people who commit crimes don't have a fear of consequences in general. The way sexual predators get away with their crimes is by convincing the victims not to report their incidents, not by telling law enforcement and judges "don't b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 03:23 PM
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That's a flight to a conclusion, seeing as most people's arguments are that women have historically never been believed as much as men, so I don't know when you think this happened. Even where women's testimony was dismissed, this was after they were assaulted, not the cause of it. Ironically, comments like this are why it's hard to believe that women are actually interested in being understood as opposed to just agreed with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:49 PM
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I guess I'd have to disagree that he gets what he wants. You've already said that he doesn't need sex, just validation. But I'm not sure why a man wanting validation wouldn't care if you were genuinely interested in him. I guess I should ask if you would care whether a man you were interested in was genuinely interested in you? You'd be a terrible spy if you reveal yourself and laugh hysterically every time you're caught. An evil anime mastermind on the other hand...
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:40 AM
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Do you feel that the man would not care whether you are genuinely interested in him? Not sure why faking interest would be useful (outside of literally being a spy).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:21 AM
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Why smoke and mirrors? How would this be different from showing genuine interest in a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:58 AM
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Tbh I had to look that up, I'm not exactly a consumer of whatever things desperate men are into these days. It pretty much straight up sounds as bad as it is lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:35 AM
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I think pretty much all society has to do is believe men with the same vigor that they believe women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 01:06 AM
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I would say that false accusations also have a historical precedent of injustice to the accused, though more so in a religious sense. Witch hunts and accusing men or women of being heretics was almost certainly a death sentence. Then of course in the U.S. there is the story of Emmett Till, which, although horrific, was not unique in the sense of white women falsely accusing black men. I also always find it strange that violent crime against women is seen as a counter example to false accusations…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:45 AM
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Most district attorneys have a policy of moving forward with charges in domestic violence because women so frequently recant their testimonies given at the time of the incident. Not because they made it up, but because they are so often "convinced" by the boyfriend/husband to take back their stories. Should believing all women extend to believing them when they say they got the story wrong, or believing them when they lie on behalf of their abusive partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:40 AM
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You are saying that just because men fantasize about 18 year olds, doesn't mean they actually want to have sex with them. Which is consistent with the argument in your post, so fair enough. I think using the term "kids" is misleading though. Men are fantasizing about the adult elements of the 18 year old OF girls, not the the things that make them childish. And the reason men are into 18 year olds is the same reason they are into 25 year olds, because of their youthful adult features, not their …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 11:56 PM
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Well I'm sorry you feel that way. Women aren't crazy, and I don't do gross things to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 11:38 PM
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One does if the only definition of being "sexually assaulted" is "a man did something I didn't like." Of course, a reasonable person would not agree with that definition, but a reasonable person would also not believe that women are telling the truth any time they say anything. Which goes back to my original point, "believe all women" is as much an appeal to believe everything women say as it is an appeal to believe everything men say. The point of "believe all women" isn't to literally believe …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 10:18 PM
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I just realized you wrote that men find kids sexy. By that logic, considering the popularity of werewolf, vampire, and minotaur books, women are into bestiality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 10:10 PM
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Don't count for who? Everyone's experiences count for themselves. I'm saying what you feel is not an objective standard, it is subjective to you as an individual, so it should not be used to measure objective reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:40 PM
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No, less men approaching women means only the most interested or desperate men approach them. That has nothing to do with the woman's interest in the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:09 PM
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Your argument that the male loneliness epidemic benefits women makes no sense. Men don't care about female approval or validation because of social pressure. Women doing OF and getting money means that there are still plenty of men wanting validation and approval from women enough to give them not just attention but also money, even when there is zero social obligation to do so. How many men have you seen bragging about the OF girls they pay for? Women also don't benefit from men approaching the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:57 PM
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In a legal way, it's pretty binary.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:17 PM
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This is assuming that "believe" means believe the other person's literal experience, but you forgot one thing: for the "women never lie" crowd, sexual assault is also a spectrum. So anything that the alleged victim feels bad about is considered SA. When these people say "believe all women", they aren't saying, gather all testimony; this is already required as part of due process, and would include men's testimony also. What they are really saying is, "never invalidate my feelings."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:36 PM
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Female privilege does create men's issues. But feminists screaming about the patriarchy does not create or uphold that privilege any more than men whining about it removes it. As other commenters have mentioned, most discrepancies are actually social and not legal. In those situations it's the men who are giving women privilege and creating their own issues. Men can collectively stop pedestalizing women (not going to happen), or, more realistically, they can individually prioritize themselves an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:13 PM
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what's not depicted in the fantasy are the hidden rules and presuppositions that are necessary for the fantasy to be able to exist The whole point of me writing this is that it's not obvious what would need to be true for the fantasy to happen. Consensual non-consent is a very common fantasy for women. There is no reality in which women want to be raped against their will. Yes, that sounds oxymoronic, but I don't know exactly what those conditions are that would make women willing, so I'm not go…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 03:34 PM
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That's not an uncommon sentiment, though I would argue that it's typically coming from a place of insecurity. To be clear, a man being safe or a risk for you isn't merely a judgment of your physical safety, but also your emotional response. Traumatized women will often choose men that they not only feel can not or will not physically hurt them, but also men that they feel can not or will not reject them, sexually or emotionally. Once those women become secure in themselves, they begin to compare…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 03:02 PM
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Well, it's not that they should most fear their partners or that they are directly asking their partners to protect them, it's an abstraction of their safety. Their partners are the people closest to them (and thereby the most dangerous). Their partners are more likely to harm them than a total stranger, and their partners are more likely to protect them than a total stranger. The power over their safety lies more so with their partner than anyone else, so their choice of a partner is one of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:04 AM
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Fantasies absolutely exist as a reflection of desires, but what's not depicted in the fantasy are the hidden rules and presuppositions that are necessary for the fantasy to be able to exist. So in that sense, fantasies are the representation of an individual's and possibly a collective's behavior in their idealized version of reality, but not an accurate reflection of how they would behave in the present reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:41 AM
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Well this is the internet, stupidity is not only allowed but encouraged here. My personal belief is not that women shouldn't be afraid of men, I would argue that most women are not scared enough (not just of violence from men, but more so the consequences of bad relationships). Yes, men are a danger to women. I think it's commonly accepted that the most dangerous men for women are their partners. I don't think that is "misandry" any more than stating that 99% of violent criminals are men is "mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:22 AM
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Red pill is theory. Weak and effeminate "men" play victim and bitch and moan about "alpha men". Masculine men don't derive their value from how much they can complain about men they secretly admire. Even incel culture isn't inherently a complaint against the existence of "alpha" men, it's the victim mentality among incels that is self-defeating. In reality, in an equal and loving relationship you both protect and care for each other. Certainly, in an "equal and loving relationship" you don't hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 07:01 AM
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This is a good thing for real relationships. Rather than approaching random women, men are forced to enter settings where women would be consciously receptive to men approaching them, or otherwise only approach women that they already feel confident would be receptive to them. It's also forcing women to actively participate in the courtship process in meaningful ways, albeit this is happening much more slowly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:25 AM
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A cheating woman who wants to return to you essentially believes that only having sex with you is not the basis of your relationship. Doesn't matter if she cheated "on accident", "got carried away", or was "feeling neglected." She doesn't believe that your relationship requires her to only have sex with you. Is she going to cheat on you again? It's possible she won't. But she will not feel obligated to uphold her end of the sexual relationship, which means that her sexuality will essentially bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:11 AM
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I didn't mention the orgasm gap, I do believe it exists lol. How is it logical for the women to have a partner that only brings in half the income but does little childcare or chores? Well, it's logical if the man offers value in a way that is not related to childcare or chores. Relationships are complementary, not equal. If the man is giving the woman something that is making it worth for her to stick around, then she will stick around. This is subjective and has to do with what each individual…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:09 AM
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A lot of generalizations here. Sex drive varies among individuals, it's not clearly gendered. And a lot of, if not the majority of men, don't need to be having sex with different women all the time, or even any of the time. Emotional connection is also not unique to women. Even if what you were saying was true, if women want a family, they are better off having one with a man than by themselves. Children of single-parent households have a harder time than those who live with their two biological…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 11:04 PM
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Women don't like the idea of being responsible for explaining things to a man. It makes them feel like he is their child, which would explain why they find him sexually repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:25 PM
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Edit: Had to edit my reply below as it wasn't really related to the parent comment. Being led or taught is an inherently submissive role. Most women are not interested in taking on the dominant role in a relationship. If they are, then they won't run into men who need to feel superior or are dictated by their ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:11 PM
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Well, men also want women who are soft, kind and empathetic, and don't try to control or abuse them. The difference is that men are expected to protect women, but women are not and can not be expected to protect men. In a civilized society people lose an understanding of what danger really is and "weakness" becomes an abstract concept. Put a woman (or a man) in an actual dangerous situation and they tend to realize that being soft, kind and empathetic isn't useful when dealing with a dangerous p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:05 PM
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I don't think men have to feel bad about their lack of attraction to certain women, so I don't see why women would have to feel bad about their lack of attraction to certain men. I guess I disagree with the idea that you should pity people for not being attractive. There are many things you can be other than sexy, and not being conventially attractive doesn't preclude you from being attractive to some people. Being "weak" is actually much more subjective than having an ugly face, and more of a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:51 PM
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Well, you certainly rambled all over the place, but yes hating on people for their sexuality is not nice regardless of who it's targeting. And yes, the male perspective is frowned on by modern society, which is why something like redpill came into existence to begin with. Lastly, I think people often confuse sexual domination with objectification. One is a role that a partner plays, the other is dehumanization.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 08:31 PM
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Again, cultural conditioning can only last a generation or two, not for thousands of years. Being exposed to cultural beliefs and choosing to reinforce them are two different things. I don't doubt your last point, although I'm sure those men have something going for them to attract the women they are with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 05:23 AM
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But guys who side with the guy will say what you said He didn't have to date the trans woman, he could have rejected her when her turn came. He didn't have to pop her balloon first, that was just him wanting to make a statement. I don't want to go out with every woman in the world. That doesn't mean I have to hunt down every women and declare to her that I don't want to date her. I don't even think this is related to masculinity. MAGA and the manosphere are popular in terms of "preserving mascul…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 05:18 AM
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Clinton and Obama didn't date down with the women that they ended up marrying. But I digress... The U.S. is not a good example because most men cannot support a woman who has no income, but other than that men marry largely for social reasons, not as a function of their sexuality. And in the same countries that have dowries it's not uncommon to "purchase" brides. Normal successful men are absolutely okay with having stay at home wives, if they can afford them. Women, on the other hand, will not …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:41 AM
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What does not being willing to conform have to do with being disrespectful towards people based on your sexual interests? EDIT: I have to admit, I just watched the first video. I don't think that behavior has anything to do with men or masculinity, it's just selfishness. But my points still stand on their own. Men don't take a lack of acceptance as disrespect. Just because they aren't validating what other people believe, doesn't mean they're telling them what to believe. But if you believe that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 01:23 AM
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There's no reason to be closed off to men that "don't have it together" even when you are older, unless you think they never will. The men out there "playing the field" are a very small minority compared to the pool of men available to you. The other men are just not chasing after you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:52 AM
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I agree that it is a very broad definition, but that's because it's largely based on perception and not objective reality. What makes a man "better" than a woman or vice versa is subjective, but when you look at cultures across the world it's universally women who care to marry "up" and refuse to marry "down", whereas men are neither sexually deterred nor sexually incentivized by a woman's economic status or non-domestic capabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:47 AM
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You're right that it's broad, this is also because it's largely subjective. Autists like to think it has to do with earned income or "being a bad boy", disregarding the fact that women pursue men sexually all the time that do not have a lot of money and are rather agreeable and not violent or criminals. People are individuals, so they will be better and worse in different things, but hypergamy is more of a question of perception and not objective reality. In a scientific sense, hypergamy general…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:42 AM
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You'd be surprised. Of course, according to blackpillers the only thing that matters is looks, but if you look at the kind of men that women are "manipulated" by, it typically has very little to do with looks. Attractiveness is more of a signal of what women pursue sexually than non-sexual female behavior. But again, blackpillers don't believe that there is such a thing as "non-sexual" female behavior, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:15 AM
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I think this has more to do with social skills. I'd say agreeable men with social skills are less lonely than disagreeable men without social skills. Refusing to bend over backwards for others doesn't always mean you have to be rude or let others feel bad about it. Conversely, limiting your own opinions in order to not disturb or provoke others doesn't mean everything you say has to be uninteresting or self-deprecating. You absolutely can be interesting while validating others, and you absolutel…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:54 PM
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Women are more agreeable, this is documented. Does male disagreeableness contribute to their loneliness? Absolutely. I think the issue is believing that society should cater to their individual needs and desires. But I would argue this is not a gendered issue. I would say in general, what you are describing as "selfishness" is simply men's failure to conform, whether by choice or not. Women's desire for conformity may seem like a benefit in many settings, but their desire for conformity is also …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:18 PM
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Displaying "dominance" in your sexuality is different from being hypergamous. There may be sexual deviation between people, but hypergamy is the norm rather than the exception to the rule. I don't believe "social conditioning" lasts longer than a couple generations, if at all, so we'll have to agree to disagree there. I know women who are with men who make less money than them. I don't know women who are with men that they consider to be less capable (meaning both less intelligent and less power…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:54 PM
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Hypergamy is not just "man earns $2 more than woman." Hypergamy is the desire of women to be with men they see as superior to them or better than them in a general or particular sense. It just happens to be that power in society is generally represented through money because it tends to be a correlate in most situations, and people are generally superficial. That being said, you may have seen examples of it in your life, I have not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:25 PM
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At the risk of derailing this conversation, it doesn't actually matter if telling women to "choose better" is mockery or victim blaming, and whether the men telling her this truly care about her best interest. It's still the best course of action for the woman to take, and not doing so is the equivalent of getting with the bad boy to rebel against your overprotective dad. It doesn't matter who gives the advice or how they feel about it, only whether it is actually good for the woman. The fact th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:02 PM
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I have never in my personal life experienced women not following hypergamy, nor have I seen any studies disproving women's hypergamous nature. Call it biology or sociology, but something makes women hypergamous. I just said it was biology because it appears to be something innate rather than some sort of social pressure that would theoretically disappear under the right conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 09:39 PM
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This is assuming that women's desire for men to be the provider is "social conditioning" and not innate behavior. This is also assuming that women have low representation among the super wealthy because of sexism and discrimination. Simply put, women will not be comfortable providing financially for men. A 10 - 20% earnings gap does not have a real impact on daily life. Once it starts getting to about 50% and more is where the discrepancies become noticeable and a power dynamic begins to occur. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:48 PM
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In theory an argument could be made that men will never reach beyond their genetic potential based on their behavior (which I would strongly disagree with), but it is undoubtedly the case that men can and do shoot themselves in the foot and fail to secure relationships with their "genetic equal" due to their mannerisms. So mannerisms may not help you climb upwards (I still think they do) but they will certainly help prevent you from falling downwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:14 PM
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Lol "mannerisms not mattering at all" is one of the most autistic takes I've seen here. I think I now understand the premise of OP's whole post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:00 PM
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What men are really complaining about here are female covert contracts, which happen during the formation of the relationship. "If I just do X, Y and Z, he'll do these things for me!" No, he won't, because he doesn't care about those things. Wanting more "chances" is unfortunately the dying throes of a relationship that was built on incongruency and trying to change the partner to begin with. You can't change someone else. If they aren't willing to accommodate the relationship you want, you have…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 07:49 PM
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I agree that it's difficult if not impossible to avoid "bad" men, and that there's no surefire way to "vet" men, especially in the initial stages of dating. I think men who believe that bad things happening to women is always the woman's fault, are just ignoring woman's experiences because they don't experience the same thing themselves. That being said, when it comes to abusive relationships (and not random incidents) and men telling you to "vet better"; The men saying this don't actually mean,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 07:25 PM
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The sexual highs and hot woman experience is in their own head. They could get those things and have a taste of something they never had before, and begin to simp even harder for these types of women. Their simping is a product of their own delusion and won't change unless they choose to understand what is actually happening between them and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:18 PM
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Red pill is theory. What men choose to do with it is up to them. Men choose the red pill or the blue pill because it reflects the reality they see. They don't look for theories to mold their concept of reality around, they look for theories that best explain their preexisting concept of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:15 PM
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Women are bad at judging men because they rely on how they feel to judge the character of other people. Psychopaths slip under their radar because of this, because psychopaths know exactly how to manipulate feelings to make themselves seem trustworthy. Men (and autistic men in particular) are not as susceptible to being manipulated through their "feelings" because we don't judge reality through them. So men complain about women being bad judges of character because they regularly see women overl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:11 PM
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This is suggesting that men who are bad at understanding whether women like them should pay for women to pretend to like them. Unless the simp chooses to try and understand women, women's behavior will have no affect on his, whether he is paying or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:00 PM
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I think men who want monogamy and family have to put far more effort than men who just want sex, so there is a perceived lack of interest in these things from women. Also, women seem to take for granted that monogamy and family will happen conveniently for their own timelines, so there are a lot of women in their 20s who think that they can just get these things later, whereas the men in their 20s who want these things don't really have any reason to delay them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:49 PM
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My point is that it doesn't matter if it's "bitchy" of you or if you are "crazy for being mad". The reality is that whether the man making you feel that way is telling the truth or not has nothing to do with how you feel about it, and instead has to do with whether his behavior is consistent and logical. How you feel about it is just that, your emotions are not the lie detector you think they are. In fact, when dealing with psychopaths, they will actively be able to present themselves in a way t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:28 AM
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I mean questioning as in questioning whether what you feel is an accurate representation of reality, not questioning which feelings you feel. It's generally much easier to manipulate people by making them feel the way you want them to feel, than by lying and trying to convince them to believe what you want them to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 02:17 AM
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Some of what you describe is just kids being kids and thinking they are invincible. Also, men also pursue women that they know are bad for them, just because the women are objectively attractive. But I agree that female solipsism has contributed to them failing to understand the differences between men and women. Women commonly believe that men can be "socially conditioned" to the same extent they can, so men just need to "be taught better". They don't understand that just because they themselve…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:22 AM
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they shame them because it highlights their own inadequacy The fact that the existence of sex work is a result of men's inadequacy doesn't mean that men feel that way when they pay for it. Paying for a product or service you can't do or make yourself isn't highlighting your own inadequacy. And how exactly would shaming the sex workers mitigate the inadequacy of men? The men are inadequate at obtaining sex, the sex workers are so adequate that they are getting paid for it. Shaming is a human beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 11:05 PM
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Your question is predicated on the premise that sex workers will satisfy men's needs, which I would argue is incorrect as most men seek female validation in multiple forms. Men will feel some satisfaction from using the services the sex workers offer in a transactional manner (paying for sex), but are not interested in investing resources into sex workers in the form of a relationship. That being said, men are cruel to sex workers to try and shame women into not doing sex work, so that there is …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 10:13 PM
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In my experience, women do what they think men like and then believe that the man is obligated to reciprocate by doing things that the woman likes. The woman rarely if ever considers that the man simply wants different things or that the woman could have herself misunderstood the man, and considers his failure to reciprocate behavior he never wanted as an active rejection of her or the relationship rather than a lack of interest in it to begin with. This can be seen in the very initial stage whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/25 05:12 PM
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There are fleshlights, sex dolls, and other things to somewhat simulate the sensation. What is "the real thing" and "a man's dream"? At a minimum, it requires the woman to actually be involved in a sexual experience with you. If you're not a psychopath, it will generally also be the woman wanting all sorts of things from you, which is why escorts, sex workers, strippers etc. frequently report that men often come to them to talk or share feelings or have an emotional affair more so than have sex.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 06:58 AM
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Analyzing their feelings is what any mature adult does Yes, that and other things such as taking accountability for your own actions and not having a victim mindset, having your own opinions and not blindly following society, communicating directly with people you value rather than trying to manipulate them...these are all things that mature adults do. I am not saying that women don't like to understand their own feelings. I am saying that they don't like to question their feelings or assess whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 10:56 AM
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No. Men could just masturbate if sex was really all they wanted from a woman. The reality that men who think sex will solve all their problems don't want to admit, is that they want validation from a woman in a variety of different ways. Essentially, legalizing prostitution would raise the "floor" by satisfying certain very base needs for some men, but it would simply shift whatever "problems" men have right now to other types of validation from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:56 AM
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I agree that no amount of smooth talk will convince a woman who thinks you're a loser. I think what you're really talking about is women being rather superficial judges of character. Which I'll generally agree with, and I'll explain below. The simplest way to put it is that women pretty much only care about what you make them feel, and not what you mean, because - most importantly - they don't like to judge what they feel. (This is also why they always want to vent about their problems without w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:43 AM
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Social status creates a preconceived image that women may or may not be attracted to. So in that sense, women can be attracted to men with high social status without perceived effort on the man's part. But poor social skills can also kill that attraction. So yes, passively having your reputation work for you requires less effort (none) as compared to actively cultivating a relationship. I don't think that's surprising. Is it easier to acquire status or generate individual relationships? That's g…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:02 PM
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There are a lot of things that I could write here as others have written, but it will ultimately depend on the man. I will only say generally that it is my sincere belief that in the end, all relationships are reciprocal. Because of that, going into marriage each party has to see themselves as part of the same team. You don't have to do everything together, but expecting one-sided treatment "just because" will in the end not be sustainable. In connection to that, in most men's experience a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 10:04 PM
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The whole world used to do this up until about 70 years ago, and a lot of the world does still follow this practice. Also, you don't have to do everything everyone tells you to do. Most straight men don't have sex with gay men just because the gay man kept screaming that he wanted it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 06:57 PM
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So real manly men are complaining about not having sex with women because they are sad and anxious about what other real manly men think, and once these men do have sex they will be cheered and welcomed by other manly men into the "had sex" club. Sounds pretty gae to me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 06:29 PM
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