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Why would feminists be mad at him? I thought they hated marriage and were the ones who destroyed it to begin with?
/r/MGTOW28/05/18 06:59 PM
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It will never be enough, because as soon as she gets what she wants, it is no longer what she wanted. The Treadmill Effect. The more you experience a particular stimuli, the more stimuli it takes to receive the same effect, and the more desensitised you become.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/05/18 06:41 PM
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my ideal man would be a mix of Tom Hardy/ Jason Statham/ Sean Connery. She forgot she was on a dating site, and thought she was at her local Build a Chad Workshop.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/05/18 06:33 PM
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Yep. Nowadays our leaders sit at their mansions, or take shelter in a special comfy war room bunker while the masses go out and bleed for them. "progress" I guess.
/r/MGTOW28/05/18 06:27 PM
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Its like putting a "true", "false", and then "neither" option on a test. How does that work? O.o
/r/MGTOW28/05/18 06:17 PM
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Were they really on the frontline though? I thought they mostly stayed in the rear. The only one I know to have actually been on the frontline was Alexander, but even then I'm sure he had a special group of soldiers that served as his bodyguard.
/r/MGTOW28/05/18 05:37 PM
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Sweet. Just left a place just like that this morning. Hakuna Matata
/r/MGTOW28/05/18 05:27 PM
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gets you labeled an evil “creep”. Ah the dreaded "creep" label. I've stopped caring. I've been nice and polite - get called a creep. I've totally ignore them - still called a creep. But they'll get with the most shady looking tatted up skinhead and he's "sweet". I've concluded women are just dumbasses. They can't judge character. They will get pounded by dudes all night by guys who are violent, who will emotionally abuse them, genuine assholes, but an awkward "nice guy" comes along and she will …
/r/MGTOW27/05/18 03:10 AM
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They mostly just post dating profiles. Looks like they are mixing it up lately though.
/r/MGTOW26/05/18 08:30 PM
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Day 9: "WHERE HAVE ALL THE GOOD MEN GONE?"
/r/MGTOW26/05/18 08:25 PM
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Wow good point. This is really interesting. "when the beautiful is know as beauty, there arises ugliness. So we see things on a duality. What would a white pill even look like? Or is it just the blue by another name? But, then again, what's the opposite of apple?
/r/MGTOW26/05/18 08:09 PM
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There's such a thing as being overeducated and having a head full of useless information. Economics has a name for it - being "underemployed". A lot of kids go to College, learn all about the humanities, then end up working in a job they didn't even need a college education for. Besides, as Ecclesiastes says "with much wisdom comes much sorrow". Seems every young dumb hot thot I've seen around looks pretty damn happy to me.
/r/MGTOW26/05/18 12:58 PM
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For anybody else that hasn't done the online dating, or stopped years ago, have a laugh over at r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen. They analyze and poke fun at these monsters' profiles. I remember one time a woman got on and was all pissed off "why are you making fun of these women!? They are perfectly normal profiles...". Normal. It's normal. Just let that sink in.
/r/MGTOW26/05/18 12:38 PM
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I'm glad you got redpilled through a documentary, and not the hard way through experience like most of us. Man I think of all the heartache that could have been saved if this stuff was out when I was a kid.
/r/MGTOW26/05/18 01:05 AM
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So this is interesting. Your saying that the husband stopped giving into her wants, and he's saying that it's because the husband has been giving in. Anybody want to clarify?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/05/18 11:33 PM
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Back when there were "conscientious objectors" to the Vietnam War, psychologists were trained to look for if they used "we" as opposed to "I object". The theory was that by using "we", they are subconsciously identifying with a movement, as opposed to a concept that they created on their own (why does it matter though?). It's also a good way to know how committed to an organization a person is, whether the speak in the plural or singular. Off topic I know. Its also a useful rhetorical device if …
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 09:52 PM
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I hear you. Guess thats why the PUA mantra is "lift AND hold frame", not just lift.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 09:28 PM
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This is why I think the Chad phenomenon gets overplayed. As a former Chad when I was in my prime athletic days, I would get plenty of attention just based on looks. So that initial interest is there for sure. But then I would open my mouth about "soulmates" or "finding the one", and I could see their expressions turn from arousal to disgust. So I think it's half right. Looks definitely get your foot in the door, but you have to be an asshole on top of that to seal the deal.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 08:10 PM
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I think it has to do not with our message, but how we deliver it. They see some pretty crude things on here like "all women are children" or "those cunts!" and base their judgment on that. The message gets lost in the static and they don't bother to sort it out. But we are not the MRM that focuses on persuasion, so it doesn't bother me. It's the MGTOW "hospital" for a reason. If they can't have the empathy to get beyond the word "cunt" and see the real suffering that happens to good men that wer…
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 07:43 PM
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...I'm actually arguing for your point
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 06:52 PM
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I'd argue there are still degrees of AWALT. No way a 5 is going to be as entitled as a 10 supermodel. The point was that if you had to choose, take the lesser evil. We of course don't play that game, so we don't have to be faced with that particular tragic dilemma.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 04:37 PM
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It's subjective. How do you measure something as abstract as "hate"? So it becomes this catch all term that can apply to whatever they want. Why also is information being judged solely on people's emotional reaction to it?
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 04:30 PM
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Thats really the only response that would have passed her shit test though. He still played into her little game. Afterwords I'm sure she had to change her soaked panties. So was it really PPD then?
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 04:23 PM
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What's amazing isn't how often they monkybranch, but how quickly they do it. It can be 3 or 10 years and in a week she will be getting dicked by another guy. We truly are interchangeable to them, replaceable on a whim.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 02:03 PM
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Yep. They made themselves into a vagina you just masturbate into. If you treat them as anything else, they will leave you. Might as well just get a fleshlight.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 01:48 PM
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what's the point of having a SO if you can't share your emotions with?? That's why women get wet for badboys and guys that don't give a shit. In their hypergamous lizard brain it signifies that the guy is above them because if he doesn't give a shit he must have options, right? He's an "Alpha" that can get any girl and hence the girl sticks around. That's why her vagina turns into a desert around betas and niceguys who talk about "feelings". It comes off as something like desperation to them, as…
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 01:44 PM
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Girls who are even remotely attractive, from a 7 or 6 above, are raging self absorbed narcissists who all want her Chad. God forbid you ever have the misfortune to date a 8 or 9. They think they are Goddesses sent to Earth for the purpose of being worshiped. I actually feel sorry for the idiots that do end up with them. You think anybody that thinks that highly of themselves will ever be happy? Be loyal? 6 below at least have some personality, and are the most bearable. They are the least likely…
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 01:21 PM
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I don't know either. It's a fuzzy term used in different ways. I've taken it to mean something like nihilism.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 12:55 PM
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Especially when their that reckless about contraception/protection. And let's be honest, when a hot girl way younger than you asks for you to cum in her, when your in the heat of the moment there is a good chance you'll be thinking with the wrong head.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 02:50 AM
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Well, who does this remind you of? A group of people that believe in moral relativism, that truth is subjective, that society is set up by the rich to control/exploit the poor, that we need "equality" and "inclusiveness". If you said the Greek Sophists you'd be right. Guess who also believes this? So called "post moderns", who really are just Sophists by another name.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 02:39 AM
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Sex with a woman was considered debasing, but a necessary evil to be able to have descendants. I remember Plato's "Ladder of Love" in the Symposium that outlines a process where one is elevated to see divinity by help from a loving sexual relationship with a woman. He's not representive of all Greeks (NAGALT?), but sure had a massive impact on later generations and Christianity. As an aside, it's interesting that you have to start out at the bottom with something like lust before you can achieve…
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 02:27 AM
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Reasoning from nature as opposed to reasoning from the obstract It seems like feminists and other factions imagine a hard division between humans and animals, and hence argue how things should be and not how things are. They are arguing from ideals, which do not have a clear basis in reality. With us and the hard sciences, we see humans and animals as closely related, where millions of years of evolution has shaped and formed everything we do for a purpose, and so we argue from this - how things…
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 02:09 AM
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when their mothers claimed they were on birth control. Then admitted they were not after they were pregnant Damn you too? Guess we are the dumbasses for trusting our wives.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 01:44 AM
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So now on top of possibly going to prison for cheating with other married soldiers I'm not sure who I'm angry at more, her for cheating or the other married men that she cheated with.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 01:17 AM
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This totally. In some Hindu scripture I remember it saying "nature is playful", and it made sense. Nature looks cruel, unforgiving, and destructive, but when you let go of your fear of being harmed, nature, with all of its viciousness, becomes like an elaborate dance, almost beautiful in a way. Its like how we find bird songs so beautiful. But to other birds, it is a fierce struggle for reproduction of wooing their mate. Seeing as we have nothing at stake, we can observe detached, and it turns i…
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 01:10 AM
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If I remember correctly with Stallone, it was some young 18ish maybe 17 year old chick that wanted to fuck him. What counted as rape was that after Stallone did her, his bodyguard wanted a go and she wasn't into him, just wanted to fuck Stallone.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 12:45 AM
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A least one female? Well that has to be degrading and humiliating. It would be like having a female MOD here. Fuck that.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 12:13 AM
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yep. Just me, a home-made explosive, a gun Think you watched a few too many SJW movies if you believe you can do that.
/r/MGTOW24/05/18 11:59 PM
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She is saying what she thinks she should say to make her look like a good person instead of a shallow person. This is it exactly. She's in front of an audience on national t.v., she has to play the victim and give canned responses. It's like saying "world peace" at a beauty pageant, totally B. S. Studies even confirm this. When asked on dating profiles if they'd date outside their race, most everybody says yes. But do they? Statistically no they don't, but they don't want to look like a racist t…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/05/18 10:54 PM
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interests: camping. Adventure. Weddings Weddings? Never seen that before as an "interest". Okay... personality: hopeless romantic Okay so she obviously wants to get married. Says she's looking for a serious relationship, guess she means it. if your just here looking for a quick fuck, kindly hit the back button Right in her opening paragraph. Just establishing boundaries and reinforcing how serious she is I guess. Little salty though. also, if you're here just for friends, I have enough of those …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/05/18 09:11 PM
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Found out about her rendezvous with Chad when my oldest was 1. Found another with the same Chad when she was 6 months preggo with my second. While she was pregnant? Wow...
/r/MGTOW24/05/18 12:32 PM
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Sure, we forget little things all the time. Forget putting a meal in the microwave, or meeting so and so today. But we are talking about creating a fucking human being. You'd think that would be a bit more of a priority then leaving food in the microwave.
/r/MGTOW24/05/18 12:14 PM
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This is an underrated comment. "you wanna play as a chick? There go. Wanna play as a dude? Well there ya go too." This actually fits better with the SJW narrative anyway - "you can be whatever gender you want".
/r/MGTOW24/05/18 12:01 PM
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Between that and shitty microtransactions, half baked games with 20 dlc you have to buy, I refuse to play any modern games at all. I'll stick with old school super Nintendo.
/r/MGTOW24/05/18 11:55 AM
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this is way overboard. It's like people are ecstatic over this. What the hell?
/r/PussyPassDenied24/05/18 02:20 AM
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That made me laugh. Haven't seen that movie in ages.
/r/PussyPassDenied24/05/18 01:37 AM
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Hoooly shit. This has to be the most narcissistic insane profile ever on here. Wow.. occasionally psycho. occasionally? So what we are seeing here could be your baseline normal "not psycho" mode? Holy fuck
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/05/18 11:09 PM
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Yeah that's funny. Plato shoots that one down 2500 years ago. He says "if a limb is sick, wouldn't you cut it off to save yourself?" it's true. We amputate arms and legs all the time if it ends up threatening our survival. That's the best refutation of soulmates/other half nonsense I've seen.
/r/MGTOW23/05/18 09:12 PM
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I liked "it's better to be rude than be a slave". You had to add all that other stuff just so you can validate some point. Sometimes standing up for yourself requires you to be rude or offensive. You certainly should appreciate that of all people, seeing as that's exactly what you've been doing through this whole thread.
/r/MGTOW23/05/18 08:55 PM
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When you know AWALT there is no need for it.
/r/MGTOW23/05/18 02:45 PM
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Most of us here are older dudes who have been married, been ex PUAs, or whatever. We've had more experience with women then we wish we had.
/r/MGTOW23/05/18 02:18 PM
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Maybe I was just in a fucked up relationship but it was the chick that was addicted to games.
/r/MGTOW23/05/18 02:12 PM
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Of course men also study Red Pill to get the upper hand but they use it to improve themselves and become more attractive. For me it's mental/emotional self defense. It's like taking Martial arts. We don't actively go looking for fights, or use it to dominate others. We just don't want to end up as someone's punching bag (mental or physical). It's reactionary as opposed to instigative
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/05/18 04:05 AM
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It's like a self fulfilling prophecy
/r/MGTOW23/05/18 03:01 AM
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Oh man that looks dangerous. I'd be too paranoid of falling over the edge.
/r/MGTOW23/05/18 02:49 AM
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Beautiful women walk not on the soft hearts of men, but upon their hard skulls.
/r/MGTOW23/05/18 02:45 AM
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Better to be rude, than be a slave. I like this.
/r/MGTOW23/05/18 02:34 AM
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so you are saying Are you a woman? I almost universally see this refraiming technique used by females. Create a caricature of a statement that's spun around and attack that strawman.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/05/18 12:52 AM
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I think it has to do with traits like agreeableness and empathy. It's like wanting to hear their story and see life through their eyes, rather than push your perspective on them and making them see life through your eyes. I think that's why a lot of kind, agreeable and empathetic people get ran over and easy manipulated. When there is a conflict of perspective, the agreeable person will actually sit back and question themselves "am I wrong?". Dominate, less agreeable and selfish people tend to j…
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 07:10 PM
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These soyboys are going insane. You can see them desperately trying to convince us men to "grow some balls" and talk to women. It's like the mouse utopia experiment. You have a divergence of sexual strategy, either sexual hyper agreesivness or asexual. It's just a feedback loop. Females become more picky, and males have to fight even harder for the females in a never ending spiral. We though, took the way out. We are "the beautiful ones" that never engage in the rat race for females.
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 06:22 PM
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A 35 year old guy fucking 5 - 10 different 14 year old girls? He'd be fucking dead.
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 05:22 PM
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We've all heard those stories. For me, being in the epicenter of it, experiencing it with people you actually know in the real world, definitely impacted me more than just some random buzzfeed article. It's like there is a mental barrier, sort of like watching a movie about something, as opposed to experiencing it yourself. I think thats why a lot of people never get redpilled. For them it's just stories, just stuff you read in newspapers or watch on T. V. Your far removed for it, too far for it…
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 05:13 PM
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Okay well, you asked for it. Here's one off the top of my head. I'm not sure how ethical it is sharing this stuff, but ill keep it anon as I can. I was 22 at the time, fiends with this 17 your old kid. I'd go over to his house and play some hard core competitive Call of Duty. Anyway, would see his single mom around the house sometimes. She was 40ish, still hot, wall hasn't set in yet, basic as possible.. I get a call at work (the bar) from his hysterical mom that the kid pulled a gun out and is …
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 04:13 PM
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got pregnant by accident As in a dick just came out of nowhere and smashed into her as she was crossing the street.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/05/18 02:15 PM
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I worked as a bartender for years and saw firsthand just how much dick these women got. It's what first redpilled me. Got to know a lot these women, seeing as they were regulars. It's just pure hedonism. It's just one big party that goes on for years. No wonder they are so out of touch with reality - they don't live in it. Oh man, I could tell you some stories that would probably put you in a catatonic state. I've seen it all.
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 01:51 PM
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I read that in Piccolos voice.
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 01:13 PM
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Yeah, same with me. Most people never seen both sides of the fence, especially women, so they are unaware of just how much preferential treatment that actually get on a day to to day basis because they always had it. It's like we only look at social hierarchy in one dimension - wealth and class. But we know that there is another layer that may even have a greater influence on one's social status - attractiveness.
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 01:09 PM
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The Daily Mail is known for holding controversial opinions within its articles which promotes hate. What does this even mean? "promote hate?" How do you even measure this? Your judging the content of an article by a person's reaction to it? That... Doesn't make any sense. So an article has to make us all "feel good" to be legitimate?
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 02:24 AM
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Yeah I know how you feel... I remember a line from A Farewell to Arms - "she was my religion". That's how I feel. That dream of a soul mate - your "missing half", that you can love and cherish, that fire that keep you going and motivated through those hard times, that promise... Was nothing but an illusion. A phantom. The pain is best described as Hemingway put it, losing your religion. I don't think very many people have ever gone through that experience... What do you think the most devout man…
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 02:06 AM
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His focus on hierarchy and class curation strikes me as feminine in many aspects as well as his willingness to use the "noble lie" in service of pragmatism. Not a big fan of the noble lie. It's like he's so afraid of nihilism that he's ready to tell a narrative just to combat what he sees as a negative influence on the person and society, no matter if it's true or not. Why should we tailer information around the person's ability to emotionally handle it? I notice to some extent even the cognitiv…
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 01:18 AM
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Haha that's funny, considering I'm probably in much better shape than the guy making the video.
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 01:01 AM
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Ensuring the genetic diversity of her offspring, increasing survival odds by producing many, and also by genetic variation on the event of some catastrophe... Oh boy how far we've come in these millions of years.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/05/18 09:03 PM
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Yeah I live in a tent. Definitely not my first choice in life lol. Guess our first choices don't always work out, and "plan B" has been very good to me. My only bill is my phone, I get to travel wherever I feel like, ect. But then again MGTOW isn't anyones first choice. If women and society treated men better, and the benefit outweighs the costs, I think MGTOW wouldn't exist. We all would be married.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 08:56 PM
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Same with me. I did all the cooking and cleaning for years. She would sometimes put something in the microwave or "cook" a pizza, but all the stuff that required some form of food prep was done by me. Now that I'm single again it's like, wow, I don't have to cook these big ass meals anymore.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 08:25 PM
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It's funny that they need literally dozens of guys fawning over them to get their ego fix. It's like wow, how big is your ego that you need that much to support it?
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 08:16 PM
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Yeah when I worked a bar, we had a few dozen women regulars that never had any money. They literally never paid for a single drink. So what we did was when they would come in, and maybe there were no guys yet, or maybe it was a slow night, we would just tell them either they need to order something, or leave. Eventually they started carrying some money. Yeah fuck bars.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 06:54 PM
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Yeah I agree. Those pua guys set up a experiment on tender to test how much influence your opening lines really have. Heh they found that it has little effect either way. They made a fake profile using a male model, made him say things would would get most of us banned, and all of them still were up for sex. It's all about the looks.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 06:49 PM
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When he needed her the most she failed him, then dumped him to fend for himself. And yet she complains that she's living alone, struggling, and fending for herself. "Oh but HES the one who's supposed to be miserable! Not meee!" I guess maybe there is some semblance of justice in the world after all?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/05/18 06:15 PM
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That's what I was thinking. She's not being unreasonable or a demanding entitled narcissist like we seen on other profiles. Hell maybe she even has some semblance of a personality, seeing as how she can't use her looks to get what she wants from men.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/05/18 03:26 PM
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Yeah I'm getting pretty tired of this too. You know, here is a curve ball for all the lurkers. Even if we are hating on women... So what? Does that make our arguments less valid? I hate murder, so does that make any arguments I make against murder somehow void? She hates misogynists, so does that mean her arguements against misogyny are void as well? See we don't really get anywhere with this. This sort of post modernistic attack goes both ways.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 02:54 PM
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IDK about that. Plato in the Lysis had great point, and it always stuck with me. no one will love you if you do not benefit them. I don't think it matters if your male or female. If we don't have something somebody wants, they won't care about us.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 02:46 PM
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And it's a self-reinforcing loop It's sort of like fisherian runaway, but with human cognition rather than physical features per say. Men naturally have a high sex drive, while women are choosy who has sex. This selects for those who have the highest drives, and so the bar gets raised a little more up over time. But whose to say it will stop at 80/20? There's increasing evidence that fisherian runaway can lead to extinction. Smithsonian did a writeup on just that a few month ago. It just gets to…
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 02:38 PM
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Well to start off, division of labour is the idea that we can maximize our production if we have people only devoted to a specific task. We can't be great at everything all the time because we all have strengths and weaknesses, dispositions and so on. And besides, we only have so much attention we can reasonably give at once, so we naturally divide ourselves. Say we are building a house. The idea is that house will be better made if we have specialized jobs, rather than just one dude doing all t…
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 02:20 PM
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"it's better to rule as a king in Hell, then live as a slave in Heaven".
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 04:30 AM
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I think most of us don't volunteer that information out, so it's hard to say how many are MGTOW. But I think MGTOW is the best way to deal with our predisposition (or whatever you want to call it) for attachment. We simply live in a era where deep commitment/love isn't a virtue. If we did truly open up our hearts, we would be crucified. And also we tend to be very sensitive. You wouldn't blast a jet engine besides someone's ears. So we shouldn't subject sensitive people to the absolutely Machiav…
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 04:20 AM
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Really? Who were those women? Not trolling. Actually pretty interested. I know there was one woman who worked with Watson and Crick in discovering DNA, who apparently did a bunch of work with X ray imaging, died of cancer from it, and sorta didn't get the credit.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 04:03 AM
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Well I had to look it up too. Haha you'll laugh at the definition. Aspiring to be a higher class than one is. Derived from bourgeois - meaning middle/upper class, traditionally despised by communists. So basically she's admitting to hypergamy. Lol!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/05/18 03:54 AM
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Always thought of it as an extension of division of labour. We have specialized classes, fields, jobs for everything else. Why not further divide it into sexual producers and consumers? Oh boy gonna be a great future. Can't wait.
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 01:02 AM
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Well that's depressing, especially with all those things revolving consent. It's "sex play" for women, but I guess not men. Thanks for taking the time to write this out. Must have taken a lot of time. I'll study up. Not before I down a bunch of anti depressants though xD
/r/MensRights21/05/18 12:49 AM
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Yeah your right... I remember being on that pedestal. It's like they create in their heads a version of you that doesn't really exist. I guess it's that old Platonic question "where do ideals exist"? But then again, they painted a picture of us that is better than we really are. Isn't that a labour of love? I mean, perception and reality will always be separate, and perception can only be either depicting something worse than it really is, or better than it is. If we perceive something as being …
/r/MensRights20/05/18 09:18 PM
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Glad everything worked out. I'm on the spectrum too. It's nice to see someone doing well and overcoming it. The very few people I know that are also on the spectrum, haven't been very fortunate. Just be glad your relationship ended in such a short time and your doing ok. I find that autistic people, despite what the stereotype says, get attached very quickly and very deeply, so it's a very painful experience when the relationship does go sour.
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 09:05 PM
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.... And so you care more about them, not less.
/r/MensRights20/05/18 08:38 PM
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I've noticed that irony too. An economist Polayni called that our "maximizing impulse" and it stuck with me. I think both genders do it in their own way, males select for youth and women select for genes too, but also resource acquisition ability. In both these examples its use is to maximizes the potential health and survival/social success of the offspring. We even say "the juice isn't worth the squeeze" from taking a calculated look at cost v.s. benefit of female companionship. I suppose the …
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 06:32 PM
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Not even the most blue pilled man wants a dried up, shriveled old post-wall witch with two bastard children and a metric fuckton of baggage. Being the cynic here, I find as men get treated worse and worse, their standards keep falling. Women have little trouble finding somebody who will take them in. It might not be Chad, but there's never an end of lonely nice guys that she can persuade. It's that "it doesn't matter how many she's had, but who she ends up with" bullshit that bluepilled men are …
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 06:18 PM
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Because they have to come to places like this, we get the opportunity to shut that shit down, instead of reinforcing it in an echo chamber. Exposure to different ideas is always good for a rational mind. Wow this is drenched with irony.
/r/MensRights20/05/18 05:54 PM
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That's very odd considering you have things like the halo effect, where we treat attractive people better. Legal studies are just now taking this into account, in how attractive people receive less sentencing than non attractive people. If that's not "empathy" towards those who we find sexually arousing, I'm not sure what is.
/r/MensRights20/05/18 05:47 PM
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Yeah exactly what I was thinking. How the hell has feminism became this new twisted form of puritanism, but only when it comes to mens reactions toward women?
/r/MensRights20/05/18 01:55 PM
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I'm not even sure what "objectifying" even means and why it's even an issue. Yes we are all object's in a sense that we are matter existing in a physical world. You could even say we are just machines built with organic matter. This "objectifying" thing seems to me to be a cognitive artifact left over from religious doctrine, where you had a division between "spirit" and "matter".
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 01:43 PM
1

Monkeys have social hierarchies too, but I see what you mean.
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 01:28 PM
4

just two shaved monkeys like the rest of us. Yeah I'm stealing this. It does really put things into perspective.
/r/MGTOW20/05/18 12:00 AM
7

Well what you could do is keep stringing her along, sort of making her into a beta orbiter. Give her a taste of her own medicine for once. You might get a few good months of entertainment out of it before she catches on.
/r/MGTOW19/05/18 02:44 AM
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I'm familiar with that epistimic philosophy, the tree analogy and the eclecticism behind it. But I find that ideas are much less noble in nature. They more or less resemble parasites that infect the human mind. It's like ideas posses people and use them to do battle. I think ideas more or less choose us, and we go forth to slay each other based on our ideologies. There was a poly sci study a few years ago that tried to define ideas along the lines of a virus, noting how ideas spread in a certain…
/r/MGTOW19/05/18 02:23 AM
3

Cross race effect, learned something new today. Deeper study of the cross-race effect has also demonstrated two types of processing for the recognition of faces: featural and holistic. It has been found that holistic processing (which occurs beyond individual parts of the face) is more commonly used in same-race situations, but there is an experience effect, which means that as a person gains more experience with those of a particular race, he or she will begin to use more holistic processing. F…
/r/MGTOW19/05/18 02:07 AM
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Personally for me it just kicks up too many bad memories, or I get too involved in other people's stories and problems. I've been taking a break from here lately. I guess it's also why I left the bar business. You just get caught up in their suffering. And also there are opinions and beliefs we can't express freely here either. It's hard to think for yourself and "go your own way" when there is an limitation to what is seen as acceptable in the eyes of the community. I would rather just be offli…
/r/MGTOW18/05/18 06:41 PM
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Was a bartender for years and got to a point where I just couldn't do it anymore. Just so sad to watch. These women live a totally hedonistic carefree lifestyle. It's the contrast that was so sad. Their on the carousel just having a blast getting all the free drinks they can consume without dying, and on the otherhand you have these lonely guys who go to drink their problems away, totally alone in a corner... Heh women have it so bad huh?
/r/MGTOW18/05/18 06:27 PM
6

True. The best advice I've heard on here was if the woman your talking to was a man, would you still be interested in what they have to say? So far the answer has been a no for me. Turns out when you don't take into account a woman's physical appearance, she losses all of her appeal. This is just further proof to me of the halo effect. Women will get be far just on looks, even though they have little or nothing intellectually stimulating to contribute.
/r/MGTOW18/05/18 01:07 PM
4

All true. Successful, ambitious people tend to be more self centered. Of all the time and love I've tried to give others, it only made me worse off and less respected because it conveys a message of low status or weakness. They resent you for your sacrifices. I was actually much happier and successful when I just focused on me and my goals. When you let other people drag you down, no one cares to help you out. Your on your own.
/r/MGTOW18/05/18 03:05 AM
1

Yeah that's called being a beta orbiter.
/r/MGTOW18/05/18 02:50 AM
6

Yeah, "man up" is something I hear alot. Or "don't blame all your problems on women". At least here we have something more than just stalk arguments pulled from a shelf and handed to you. I think most regular people just can't fathom that women aren't perfect, and are capable of emotional abuse.
/r/MGTOW18/05/18 02:44 AM
6

self inflicted problem Ding ding.
/r/MGTOW18/05/18 02:36 AM
10

Yeah this is just the apex fallacy. Pretty obvious.
/r/MGTOW18/05/18 02:33 AM
1

Haha hey I want one! That's the funniest shit I've seen on here yet xD
/r/PussyPassDenied18/05/18 02:26 AM
2

But don't you think with every new advancement, there will be a compensatory motion to nullify it?
/r/MGTOW18/05/18 12:10 AM
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Well as Orwell said if you want to know what the future will look like, just imagine a boot repeatedly smashing a face in. Things won't magically improve. A third of a billion years of evolutionary programming won't change in a few decades. It's always an arms race. One force changes and the other adapts and modifies itself in a never ending process. Sure, small victories may be found, but they will be lost in the static.
/r/MGTOW17/05/18 09:25 PM
6

That seems like a religious perspective actually.
/r/MGTOW17/05/18 09:13 PM
1

A monument for all ages so we will never forget
/r/MGTOW17/05/18 09:02 PM
2

Some changes that might get some men to join the plantation: There was a time in my life where I would have worked as a slave and been happy to do so for the rest of my life, for a woman who I loved more than life itself. But women don't find devotion and sacrifice attractive traits in a male. So I learned to stop caring and loving, and sacrificing for others. So I guess in a way, the man I am now is her creation. But I know I'm not alone. There are many men who have been abused en mass that hav…
/r/MGTOW17/05/18 08:46 PM
2

your mom Lol I don't think you'd want that with you.
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 02:55 AM
5

Fuck. Did we date the same chick?
/r/PussyPassDenied04/05/18 02:51 AM
28

Maybe men are healing?
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 02:40 AM
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IDK. To be honest Ive havent noticed much change at all... But it could be because I'm around small towns, and they tend to be a bit behind the curve. From my perspective, it's all been business as usual for them. Guys still crazy about women. Guys still getting married, all that. There's an unspoken understanding of what's going on these days. How society treats guys. And I don't mean directly, I mean what guys see on a day to day basis and how that affects their psyche Yeah was thinking about …
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 02:35 AM
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Not good when a lot of her sentences start of with "I want". If she's so mature, maybe she should stop talking like an entitled 5 year old at a toy store. Also what's up with those pictures? It's like 7 of the 11 are the same pic but just using a different filter.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/05/18 01:45 PM
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can be heard in the old adage women and children first. You literally took the most endearing example in history of female privilege and spun it to mean this derogatory term.
/r/PussyPassDenied02/05/18 01:27 PM
1

To be fair, life is a eugenics program. We are all just meat for the evolution machine.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/04/18 03:40 PM
2

I do believe in Jesus Christ and I have more love for him above all If you are a low life I do not want you in my life Hum.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/04/18 03:10 PM
1

When a poor white man working a dangerous job keeps hearing about his alleged privilege from well-to-do gender studies professors living comfortable lifestyles that is going to cause a lot of resentment and rage. Good analysis. Well, well to do women in general. A lot of so called problems that feminists, or just women have in general, are just first world inconveniences at best. I'm not sure how exposed the average Joe actually is about feminists theorists in academia, but they all see what's g…
/r/MensRights30/04/18 03:44 AM
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Why are we letting celebrities dictate to us political matters?
/r/MGTOW30/04/18 02:27 AM
1

Well I will say that you can't have a society in which 80% of a gender is seen as utterly trash by the other and expect to have a working society. Of course there are going to be deep seated internalized antagonisms going on that may threaten the existence of a that society. If that society is going to survive, it will "owe" it to that marginalized group to resolve the problem in some way for the sake of its own existence. This will be an unpopular opinion here but you can't divorce sex with all…
/r/MGTOW30/04/18 01:53 AM
6

Sorry dude but even money can leave you. Nothing in life is permanent. That's just the reality we live in. Your just substituting one addiction for another. Nothing external can fill in that void.
/r/MGTOW30/04/18 12:33 AM
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Yeah. I was that dude a few times. You know, feminists like to refame violence to mean more than just physical acts of abuse. Maybe what they did to us was a form of emotional violence?
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 10:32 PM
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All this and she hasn't even given birth yet? If he's struggling now, wait and see how things will go down later. 3 years is a long hole to dig yourself in. At least he gets a break from the father in law. Gotta love nepotism.
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 10:09 PM
3

There was a pretty funny meme where the knight saves the dragon from the princess. Let's do that lol.
/r/MensRights29/04/18 07:39 PM
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It's like an arms race. We have more fit, buff guys walking around so now the goalpost gets moved a little more further. Just human psychology. In renaissance Europe fat chicks with black teeth and white skin were all the rage because of the scarcity of food. Now after we reached abundance, it's skinny tan chicks with white teeth. It's not all random like some people think. It's a reaction to the environment.
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 07:11 PM
4

Things like indoctrination sorta question our ideas of what agency really is.
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 05:36 PM
12

The high demand cannot be met by sperm banks who are struggling to keep their clients satisfied. Women who are interested in becoming a mom may encounter more trouble finding a donor. Translstion: not enough Chad seed to satisfy all the poor women. Oh but what's that you say? Some technical difficulty going on with the storage? only 10% of willing donors have sperm that can survive freezing and storage.” Hum. That ends rather vaguely and abrupt. Let's look at this a little closer shall we? Let's…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/04/18 05:16 PM
9

Yeah while they are fucking the enemy soldiers we can have our guys shoot them.
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 04:21 PM
1

Oh this is still only the beginning my friend. It gets much, much worse.
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 04:11 PM
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And then when the guy self destructs, the woman and other people see him after the fact and just assume he was always like that, or that he was always unstable in some way and she was in the right to leave him. It's like an elaborate form of gaslighting.
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 03:27 PM
2

Maybe i just hope for the colapse too hard We all do.
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 06:53 AM
3

Yeah there are few economists I follow and they all pretty much forecast doom for us. Actually that's what I find most fascinating. No matter what particular ideological background or training, they all say the same thing - that economically we are on lifesupport and it's a miracle we didn't have another '08 collapse. Hey but at least we all agree on something. Winning? :/
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 06:52 AM
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Not naming names, but a lot of people out there end up hiding behind avatars of intellectuals... Movements/ philosophies / religions all go through a phase where they become big enough that they need a "mediator" or interpreter to feed the masses the information. This is probably just the natural consequences of division of labour - people have varying inclinations and aptitudes or environmental conditions that make some more suitable than others for explaining their subject. The second phase is…
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 04:44 AM
9

But crazy is all we got
/r/MensRights29/04/18 03:54 AM
2

Yep, "Theory of the Leisure Class."
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 03:25 AM
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Thank you for posting this. I've been getting soft lately. Sometimes I think I see these glimmers of beauty and compassion trying to peer through those clouds of female nature. As someone who (tries to) value objectivity, I have to ask myself "could I be wrong? It's happened before, when female nature exposed me to the false dogma I believed in, of soulmates, of female love, could I have gotten it wrong yet again?" I've often wondered if that is why men are so attracted to women - the smallest l…
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 03:00 AM
14

Hahaha. Needing an app to control boys. We all know that they use sex for that.
/r/MensRights29/04/18 01:13 AM
2

That brought back some weird ptsd. Those house centipedes are scary af ':O
/r/MGTOW29/04/18 01:01 AM
6

Everybody's always trying to bring about some utopia right? I wish more people would read The Republic. Big chunk of it is about envisioning what a perfect society would be. It eventually goes from a logically sensible idea to a hellish nightmare that would make the very worst regimes in history look like a paradise in comparison. I wonder though if Plato wrote this as a ironic warning about the dangers of idealism? Humans just never learn. How many failed utopias must we suffer through before w…
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 10:51 PM
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I think this is the problem underlying a lot of social conflicts nowadays. When you peel back all the layers of a person's ideology it forms into one of ether two categories: that life is pleasant and good, and only obstacles prevent us from obtaining a violence free existence. Or the other category, that life is fundamentally violent. It's not some outside force, but violence and conflict are built within the very fabric of existence. The first group thinks "everything would be better if only X…
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 08:42 PM
1

It's cool you were a sociology major in college. So what do you think about all this? Anything in sociology that led you mgtow or was it more from personal experience?
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 03:06 PM
1

The same logic as "don't blame women, it's the white knights and simps fault". I don't get why these subs bash men so much. It's like everything bad that a woman does is the guys fault. How is that any different than feminism?
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 02:51 PM
2

I actually lol'd for a few minutes from the title with the ahoy! Tag together like that.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 05:45 AM
1

Being submissive in a dog eat dog world is already a bad precedent Good point.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 05:39 AM
1

Now, every cause Western feminism stands for is seemingly petty and trivial. Yep. I would think first wavers would be pretty embarrassed at this generation. It's like it's gone full circle. 1st wave wanted to not be treated like a protected class. 3rd wave (or whatever the hell it's called now) wants to actually return to the victorianism of before feminism. Weird.
/r/MensRights28/04/18 05:31 AM
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Cases don't exist in a vacuum. We even have words for these things, like "precedent". It implies that one different case or instance is related to another in some way and we use that to help determine the sentencing. The very concept of justice itself, implies a comparison between individual members. We also have things like "rule of law", which means the law applies to everyone, regardless of gender, wealth, or whatever. If a poor guy gets more time in jail than a rich guy for the same crime, t…
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 03:42 AM
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Then as it applies to finding a mate? More men will go either monk or PUA. Reminds me of the Mouse Utopia experiment. They formed into being either sexually hyper agressive (PUA for humans) or totally asexual (monk mode). It's interesting that populations will split into that binary.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 02:41 AM
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I don't see that one comment from the guy as a sad post at all. It's nice to see the younger generations waking up. I've grown up seeing way to many of my friends get dragged through the grinder and spit out from these soulless selfish cunts. It all starts at a young age. For some guys, it fucks them up for life, especially when you are young and vulnerable and trusting to women. You know, that's funny. We say the same things about rape don't we?
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 02:34 AM
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Jesus dude. If anyone went to a theatre to see the same movie that many times I would seriously question their sanity
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 01:22 AM
5

Men are rational and objective. Women are emotional and subjective. The hard sciences require a certain detached analytical mentality. The reason so many women are in biology is because it can, depending on the field, resemble something that looks more like natural philosophy.
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 06:01 AM
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Seems like the chick is around 18. Still pretty far away from the wall. I think OP just buffed up and then she became attracted to him when he got his physique in line. What's that old joke? "what's the difference between a friend and a lover? Ten pounds of muscle"
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 05:25 AM
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Now even though I got over her (had extreme oneitis, she's seriously not that good looking, but something about her just attracted me idk why) It's because you were trying to settle for less because you thought you were a low status dude. You probably just thought that was the best you can get. When you buffed up, your status increased in the eyes of these cunts. Been there before. Girls that would never give me the time of day then would be literally writing their numbers on the gym window. But…
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 05:17 AM
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Think they were just in disbelief that a college age kid didn't have a facebook. Probably never encountered that before. My guess is they just assumed I was lying, or trying to cover for myself. IDK. It was a city. City culture is weird like that.
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 04:29 AM
1

"Purchase influences"? Just curious, how do you even measure or quantify in a reasonable way "influences"? Everything influences everything else. It's such a vague and abstract idea.
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 04:20 AM
1

Could it be the treadmill effect too I wonder?
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 04:02 AM
4

Not sure what you are asking. Why I never got a facebook or why they didn't rent to me? When I called them up they were pretty hung up on the no facebook thing. They flatly stated that they aren't comfortable renting to someone whom they can't do a social media background check.
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 03:40 AM
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Yeah I've never seen this insult ever used outside of middleschool and yet I see it all over reddit. Makes me wonder... And honestly, even if it was true, so what? Does sticking your dick in some chicks wet hole somehow supposed to make you more credible with the truth? If so, that's one hell of pussy worshiping. It's like critically assessing a book by only looking at the authors biography.
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 03:35 AM
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Something like that sort of happened to me already. I refused to ever get a facebook account, and was looking for an apartment back in college. I was turned down a few times because of the fact I didn't have an account.
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 02:20 AM
7

That's true. The specific word they use is "reparations".
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 02:13 AM
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Not likely. I've worked in food and beverage and personally seen this shit happen pretty frequently. Last time a fellow employee was the one who got taken for a ride by some horrible single mom. We tried to warn him about her, but he wouldn't listen.
/r/MGTOW27/04/18 02:05 AM
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Even shit posters like me at least take the time to spell everything out. You'd think that something as important as a dating profile would have a little more effort than some random dude on reddit not giving a fuck, especially considering, by the look of it, her eggs don't have much time left to afford screwing that up.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/04/18 04:09 AM
3

Look around you. This is hell.
/r/MGTOW24/04/18 02:48 AM
3

Never heard it put this way. If I could I would print this out and make it my own zen koan.
/r/MGTOW24/04/18 02:46 AM
4

If there wasn’t so much negative social stigma against women getting laid, everyone would be getting laid more. Ah trickle down sexonomics. Because stuff like that worked so well in the past /s
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/04/18 12:39 AM
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MGTOW addresses a lot of the grievances that feminism has against men. Feminism addresses absolutely no grievances men have against women. MGTOW advocates for not hitting on women, not "creeping" on them, not seeing women as sex objects. These are all things feminists want men to do. MGTOWs also recognize and hold responsible the role that their gender contributes in a negative way to the other. Example - how male attention and sexual "thirst" contributes and builds the female ego and entitlemen…
/r/MensRights23/04/18 09:02 PM
3

Great. Competing hate movements. Just what the world needs. Polanyi's double movement comes to mind. So does Heraclitus's tension among opposites.
/r/MensRights23/04/18 08:43 PM
1

I'm going to have to agree with u/TibortheChechen here. I don't think biology and culture can be separated into neat little boxes. Taking a holistic approach just makes more sense. Evolutionary speaking, men and women had different sets of problems based on their respective dimorphic roles, and each developed their own survival mechanisms to overcome them. Some were physical, some were mental. Does the existence of women MRAs refute all this? Women MRAs are a tiny majority, should the existence …
/r/MensRights23/04/18 07:32 PM
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Even Plato, or was it Socrates that said that Women always say they want equality, when they actually mean supremacy over men. "If men and women are made equals, women will be his superior." Criptic though. Could have a double meaning.
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 08:59 AM
3

Wow that was powerful. Has this directness to it. Reminded me of Aeschylus
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 08:16 AM
4

And when women pick the wrong men to breed with, society starts to stagnate then die. Just to add to this, there was a relevant writeup in The Smithsonian a few weeks ago that looked at this. They did a study of a particular extinct crustacean that had an enormous penis (1/3 the volume of the body cavity). They concluded that sexual selection can actually select for traits that can, through fisherean (however the fuck it's spelled) runaway, actually lead to extinction.
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 03:30 AM
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It's helpful to look at feminism as just a continuation of an ancient sexual selection program. U/begeats mentions a type of feedback loop that reminds me of fisherian runaway. Part of that is there is a sort of "arms race" between female choosines and the male sexual adaptions to overcome it. I think it's reasonable to conclude that male sexual agressivness is the product of a female preference. Only the most aggressive males would win the game of reproduction. I'd imagine the pickier the femal…
/r/MensRights22/04/18 06:52 PM
1

Anyone notice the cherubs? The one on the pedestal to the left has its finger on its lips, almost as if saying "shhhh". Wonder what secret it wants kept hidden
/r/MGTOW22/04/18 05:15 AM
5

You have what some of us can only dream about. Closure.
/r/MGTOW22/04/18 01:02 AM
1

TRP women? What's that? Basically women just being themselves and figuring out how to do more carousel ridding?
/r/MGTOW21/04/18 07:57 AM
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Yeah it's amazing to think that the Greeks worked out atoms, Euclid (or somebody else around his time) worked out the roundness of the Earth using shadows and sticks, they figured out orbits basically by looking up. Not to mention we collectively just rediscovered some of those insights, especially some of the social sciencey stuff
/r/MGTOW21/04/18 07:44 AM
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wrapped up in her own little world to consider what guys might want. The problem in nutshell. When reasonable people want to settle down, they change themselves to suit the other person. Selfish egotistical people demand others to change to suit them.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/04/18 07:35 AM
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Hey as a guy that lived under said bridge, I would still not hit that. I gots me standards, you know?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/04/18 07:20 AM
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Im not sure either. Sometimes it's used here as a synonym for nihilistic beliefs, sometimes it refers to the behaviors or actions that contribute to nihilism. I see it used most often used as a way to describe the extreme far end of the "awakening" spectrum, with "blue pill" representing extreme ignorance, "red pill" representing the common exposure to some truth, and "black pill" being a heavy, often emotionally or mentally destructive experience with reality.
/r/MGTOW21/04/18 07:03 AM
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Well said. My polysci professor used to talk about social fictions, and the idea of a "noble lie". Of course, he never applied it to the idea of female nature. But throughout history social fictions like "rag to riches" stories always had the effect to induce compliance in the population. What can't the lie of female nature have been used as one too?
/r/MGTOW19/04/18 07:30 PM
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court of public opinion. It's amazing how far down the rabbit hole goes with this
/r/MGTOW19/04/18 06:51 PM
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Similar thing happened to me in college. Honestly I think it has to do with personality disorders like narcissism, or certain developmental problems that have to do with abstract thinking. Basically certain people feel like they are at the center of everyones attention, and subconsciously just assume that the intent of every interaction revolves around themselves in some way. The problem is that these disorders are now normalized in culture.
/r/MensRights19/04/18 06:43 PM
1

When you said images, it really made me think back to the Catholic Restoration. I mean the most elaborate paintings, sculptures, and architecture in the world, all for the sake of using images to influence others. Now only the medium has changed.
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 08:16 AM
5

Don't reward the bad behavior.
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 07:29 AM
1

Yeah I don't get why women feel the need to rip apart their dude in public places like that. Have sympathy for the rest of us at least.
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 07:26 AM
1

Aww your not a pointless bot :( we need more humor on reddit.
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 07:16 AM
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If you have a very good friend with a lot of trust etc., you may be able to scratch those, otherwise the debate typically leads nowhere. Yeah it's like "trust". To have a meaningful conversation with someone, you have to let your guard down. Honestly, I think we severely downplay the power of rehetoric on society. Debate is warfare - it's how we fight in a modern society, where before we used guns and swords now we pull out our rights and "debate" for our lives. And yeah, a debate could be a lif…
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 07:03 AM
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Tbh I probably fit within a few of those categories. But again MGTOW is itself a contradiction - a group conforming to nonconformity, which any attempt at defining is ultimately self refuting. For one because it depends on the observer's own unique perspective and internal definitions to render a judgement and to create the meaning of the philosophy in the first place. Basically MGTOW is just a logical placeholder or an "empty set" that contains no meaning until it is applied by the individual. …
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 05:43 AM
1

What's the difference between criticism that's "legitimate" and criticism that's "iligitimate?" is there such a thing? How can we objectively tell?
/r/MensRights15/04/18 04:36 AM
3

This playing with the meaning of words is very typical for totalitarian structures. Yep. I think it's just a question of what came first. When you can stretch words to mean many different things, it gives you a rehoticatical advantage in persuasion. You can cover all your bases and present something that's unfalsifiable, which will throw anyone who is not familiar with the technique off balance (and good people don't know about these techniques because they have no use for them, so they fall pre…
/r/MensRights15/04/18 04:30 AM
3

Yeah I see posts like this all the time. You know, some groups like LGBT get their own support groups in highschool and middle school. It would have been pretty awesome to have a MGTOW group in school. I think it would definitely help a lot of kids from all sorts of backgrounds with different social issues. Sometimes I wonder how many school shooters could have instead grown up to become healthy, successful men if they would have had some men in their lives that helped them deal with everything.…
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 03:22 AM
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Well it's easier to worry about your own safety than it is to feel sympathy for another person. That's why this whole issue is framed through gun control rather than about the mental and emotional well-being of those that are being bullied. It just shows they don't really give a fuck but are only worried that those "creepy" guys might show up and shoot them. It's like they are saying "we know your going through a tough time, but we just don't want you to shoot the place up. You understand, right…
/r/MGTOW15/04/18 02:34 AM
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schlumpadinka New favorite word
/r/MGTOW12/04/18 10:25 AM
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Well I've argued for a long time that society only gets half of this right. Yes, men will stick there dick in anything with a hole. Yes, women are more choosy about who gets to stick that dick in them. We are told that because of this, men are promiscuous sexual deviants and women hold greater virtue over men. But we are only seeing one side of the coin that views women the most favourably. Because men will typically view 50% of women as attractive compared to something like 15% for women viewin…
/r/MGTOW12/04/18 10:01 AM
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Yeah, thats a good word: "provoke". Women do this in all sorts of ways. They dress like a hooker but complain about getting stares from men. They take a million half naked selfies, post them in public, and then complain again about the attention. It's commonsense. If you don't want to be treated like as sex object, don't present yourself as one. I don't keep food in my pockets while walking in the woods because I know I live in bear country and it's probably not a good idea to provoke a bear. Ri…
/r/MGTOW12/04/18 09:18 AM
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Like how he has to put a disclaimer at the bottom: "no I'd never hurt my wife, I'm not an abusive husband, I love her and my son blah blah". Jeez just goes to show you how taboo it is to criticize a woman and express your feelings about her. When you do that, everyone automatically assumes your a violent misogynist. Slippery slope much?
/r/MGTOW12/04/18 08:43 AM
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the tribes across the river all have eagle feathers... why do you only get us owl feather?" People just forget that status is relative. By comparison we have better living standards than the medieval kings, but that "bar" also raised to adjust to our modern lifestyle. It's sorta like how in renaissance Europe fat people with bad teeth were seen as high status. In modern times because of the overabundance of food, we see fat people with bad teeth as low status. Guess the parameters we set for sta…
/r/MGTOW12/04/18 08:16 AM
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I think it has to do with personality types/dispositions that attract men to tech as opposed to women. Just a chicken or egg question here I think. Tech type work requires skillsets that introverted type people have, and introverted people find interesting. I would wager that introversion is far more prevalent in men than women for simple reasons that introversion is partly a coping mechanism from getting shit on. Women have life on easy mode so they seldom resort to having to emotionally or soc…
/r/MGTOW12/04/18 04:51 AM
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Wow havent heard Chomsky's name dropped in a while. Last I remember he was pushing for something that was basically a reworking of the platonic forms. The whole SJW censorship thing we are seeing makes no sense using that framework, so I wonder how much influence Chomsky's core ideas really had. Just thinking out loud.
/r/MGTOW11/04/18 07:53 AM
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You must be a virgin I see this all over the place here. Is this a reddit thing? Just weird because I've never heard that insult actually used outside of middle school. Maybe it's because I'm not a adolescent boy and I just don't get it? Seriously my problems are because I had sex and couldn't keep it in my pants.
/r/MGTOW11/04/18 07:24 AM
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"cat callers". Because they are so fucking pampered that they have nothing else more important to bitch about
/r/MGTOW11/04/18 06:07 AM
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This guy gets it ^
/r/MGTOW11/04/18 05:11 AM
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A woman, many times will complain, that you're not making enough money. So you go forth and work the extra hours. Then she will complain that your not home enough, she feels lonely, and you're not meeting her emotional needs. This 100%! Its like they don't understand that things come with other things. There are sets of conditions that have to be met for things to exist. I can't pull out a high paying job out of my butt and still live the same way as before when I worked part time. All women typ…
/r/MGTOW11/04/18 04:56 AM
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I get that a lot. If my needs are met, why work any harder and longer? So I can what, buy more Chinese made garbage I don't need? Believe it or not, there is a long history toward our "word harder!" attitude in the West. Basically it's thought to be entangled with enlightenment and religious thinking ("idle mind is the devils playground", "Man is condemned to toil the Earth", ect.)
/r/MGTOW11/04/18 04:37 AM
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Lol! Cheers to the neckbeard who made this bot.
/r/PussyPassDenied11/04/18 03:00 AM
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The reason none of you have a relationship like this is because women can probably tell that(tho you may try to hide it) you don't respect them and also judging by your general distrust of women in this comment section they can probably sense you don't trust them which is a big turn off as well as you know, disliking our gender as a whole. Classic gaslighting technique. Besides, ontologically this is a chicken or the egg question. It's far more likely that these men developed their respective at…
/r/MGTOW10/04/18 07:16 PM
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It also let's them take cognitive ownership over the ideal because they have to construct it. It's the same reason humans take interest to vastly different subjects like allegorical stories and artistic techniques. It allows the person enough undeveloped structure that the person can project themselves into it, making them feel like they are a fundamental part of the story or process itself. In other words, unfinished structure allows the viewer to finish it, giving them a sense of self in somet…
/r/MGTOW10/04/18 06:51 PM
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I chuckle when feminists associate capitalism with patriarchy. Guess they never read Theory of the Leisure Class. Men buy things to impress and court a woman, while competing with other men. So really, females drive the whole process because that's what they select for. If they weren't attracted to wealth and status, there would be no reason for men to have to accumulate materialistic shit to appease them
/r/MGTOW10/04/18 09:17 AM
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Yeah tell me about it. Used to train guys but stopped because after they get better and get a little skill, they get an attitude with an ego with its own zip code. They all just forget that the reason they got where they were was because we took the time to lift them up.
/r/MGTOW10/04/18 08:59 AM
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Hey cool a fellow tent dweller. Seriously though you save so much feakin money not having to pay rent/utilities. It's crazy to think about those people who work all day just to come home to a bed to sleep in, just to get up and do it all over again the next day.
/r/MGTOW10/04/18 08:15 AM
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In other words, "men, you are trash; and if you do not agree with me that you are trash, that is just further proof that you are trash." Gaslighting is the psychological term, logically it's a simple catch 22. It can't be be falsified. Hell even cops use this on me - "why are you nervous? You must be nervous because you must have something to hide." Another example I see a lot from feminists is "all your (the mens) problems also come from Patriarchy". Again, this is classic gaslighting. It makes…
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 06:44 PM
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Another thing no one mentioned was women typically see their friends get engaged or married around the end of college, so for women that typically rode the carousel all through college and didn't bother pursuing actual relationships, they feel left out. Seen many girls that probably took 3 miles of cumulative cock length suddenly marry a random beta a few years after college, just as her friends are getting married.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 10:23 AM
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Would also throw in halo effect type things. Beautiful women tend to get added attention and are more ambitious. Nearly every valedictorian I've seen has been stunning. Not a coincidence me thinks.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 10:07 AM
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Most people act happy and nonchalant, but I know if something were to "trigger" them it would just be met with severe hostility The U. S. army survival instructors have a phrase - "society is only three meals away from collapse". Maybe the hostility we see is because one meal has already been taken away?(metaphorically speaking)
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 09:55 AM
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Yeah, adolescent teenage girls are the worst. Calling them very shallow and very selfish are supreme understatements. I've went to school with many guys that got burned in their highschool relationships and it effects the rest of their life. It's so incredibly sad how they get a few beers in them and they will bring up that girl they were crazy about in highschool. These men are like 30 and still deep down they haven't really "gotten over" their first loves. Don't be those guys. Anyway work on h…
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 09:40 AM
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Good question. When I was an art student back in the day, digital photography was still somewhat new and crude. We had to know what we were doing and it required some training. Nowadays you get free programs and apps that practically anyone can use right off the bat. It just takes a mouse click to do what might have taken us hours or days to accomplish. Photography was the gold standard for realism, and everyone valued it's honesty in being able to capture everything at an instant. Ironically no…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/04/18 09:21 AM
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I've seen infighting here, let's not kid ourselves. Sometimes it's tradcons being accused of bringing men back to the plantation, or nawalt v.s. awalt believers, or, most frequently, tone policing by those that think MGTOW has become less about going ones own way and more of a female bashing sub. But I will say that when comparing MGTOW to a place like r/feminism, the latter has a surprising amount of infighting going on.
/r/MGTOW08/04/18 08:58 PM
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I've struggled with this too. IMO it has to do with how the brain processes information. For example, there is a group of people who claim to be "sapiosexual" - attracted to "intelligence". Well right off the bat this is loaded with assumptions - like a cartesian duality of mind and body (meaning they are separate). Basically in a nutshell they think they can love one without the other. But how can you love pure intelligence? Of course the mind needs something to be housed, and that mind is an i…
/r/MGTOW07/04/18 10:15 PM
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Personally I think it's because deep down a lot of us like the idea of "getting back" at women by making them into our orbiters. That's what happens when you basically tell everyone your single and not looking - you get a bunch of vultures flying around to see if there is any meat left on those bones.
/r/MGTOW07/04/18 09:24 PM
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That wasn't the best analysis. I'd say it's more like a combination of emotional dependency and "living in the moment" that make women in that particular situation monkey branch like that. Women make commitments in the spur of the moment because they are only using emotions and not thinking things through long term. Emotions change like the wind. She probably had a orbiter around and made him the husband as a rebound to cope with her rejection. They just can't be alone. A rejection of any kind i…
/r/MGTOW05/04/18 10:59 PM
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I actually don't mind what feminism is doing to women. The uglier they are, the less likely men will shower them with attention. It's the attention that makes women ragging narcissists. Starve them of the attention and maybe women might someday be tolerable.
/r/MGTOW05/04/18 10:29 PM
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Maybe ive just dated exceptionally horrible church girls, but those things you mentioned sound not nearly as bad as it could be. If differing political leanings was the biggest problem, that would basically make them a unicorn in my book. Not to mention you found girls that didn't hope on the carousel. Holy crap!!! That's as good as it gets!
/r/MGTOW05/04/18 07:51 PM
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Yeah true. But I do remember a study posted a few months ago that showed how obesity effects the brain. Definite noticeable difference in a healthy adult brain and a obese one in the MRI scans.
/r/MGTOW04/04/18 05:55 PM
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Even her victim mentality was based off of a superiority complex. It's the same rationale behind why they are afraid to walk alone on the sidewalks and the rhetoric behind "rape culture". It's a silent admission that "patriarchy" isn't real (in what why does the "oppressor" see the "oppressed" a having a extreme amount of value?) It's like in order to feel like there is some guy creeping on you, you have to feel like there is something of value to entice the creeper to begin with. This is that e…
/r/MGTOW03/04/18 08:34 PM
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I was shy and awkward in my teens and girls ignored me completely. It felt like something was missing and I assumed it was female companionship. Had a PUA friend shovel red pills in my mouth and I started bodybuilding. It become an obsession. Although my body was transformed, I was still the same awkward shy naïve person under it all. The mind games women would play would just break me down. Now reflecting back, being ignored by women was the happiest time in my life. They changed me and took my…
/r/MGTOW03/04/18 07:06 PM
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secondly they don't have the option not to work Haha thanks for the laugh.
/r/MGTOW03/04/18 03:04 AM
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delusions of grandeur Yeah back in the day this was considered a mental illness. Nowdays? "Empowerment"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/04/18 12:52 AM
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Well I would be behind some kind of Platonic eugenics project. Women can't be in charge of selection because they are terrible at judging good characteristics from bad ones.
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 08:44 PM
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That's an easy way to bring a lot of negative attention to yourself.
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 07:34 PM
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This. "Framing is half the battle", as my poly sci professor drilled in us.
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 07:18 PM
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That's a simple catch 22. It's also self refuting. The whole idea is that "patriarchy" gives men an advantage over women, so patriarchy must be a net benefit to men and harm to women. Otherwise, how could something be given an advantage if it is itself harmed by its own advantage? How could men have "gotten ahead" if we accept the premise that "men and women are equal"? Something must have tipped the scales. By saying that men are harmed by patrachy, it's presenting this as an absurdity to where…
/r/MGTOW01/04/18 09:24 PM
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I worked for this church and used her as a model in the altar painting. Hum. Guess I literally made an altar to her. Top that. Behold the supreme King Cuck!
/r/MGTOW01/04/18 02:34 AM
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I call western culture "the cult of opportunity". They make hard work the solution to everything. There are historical reasons why. MGTOW does sorta address that social normalcy issue, but it focuses entirely on the back end problem of what to do once you've come around, and not much on the front end problem of getting people to come around (though they do address some of the cultural/biological forces that prevent people from accepting the lifestyle).
/r/MGTOW01/04/18 02:24 AM
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It's more likely female promiscuity will just be the new norm for the next generations. They won't even know any better to question it when it's all around them and considered socially acceptable. Each individual kid would probably question their own feelings before they question the whole of the system. Guess I'm just pessimistic.
/r/MGTOW01/04/18 01:09 AM
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Don't even wanna think about what the black hole on this one looks like.
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 08:18 PM
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Well she doesn't see that those "boring" guys are the unicorn.
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 08:03 PM
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I have dated a few guys who would definitely qualify as a “man child.” There was the tattooist who had three roommates at the age of 35 and was always broke, the “artist” whom I was constantly paying for, because “I’m going to pay you back after I sell my next piece, I swear,” and the “musician” whom I actually married and realized I wasn’t just the breadwinner, but his caretaker in many ways, as well. Am I sucker? Oh, totally! Show me a cute wounded “tortured” artist and I will drop everything …
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 07:40 PM
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feminists have somehow made being fat a part of "female identity" Haha that's because obesity is a perfect metaphor for feminism - excess to the point of harm. That's probably why there are so many fat feminists around. "You go guuurl you can have the world!!" So they go forth and "internalize" that sentiment (see what I did there?)
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 07:30 PM
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Beware the eloquent - the most guilty of them all. They will cut your throat because they know how to dress up a murder in beautiful words. This ancient Greek saying sums up what's wrong with our PC culture. Feminism has become infested with aristocratic doctrines that value fluffy language and politeness over harsh truth. To speak about "the elephant in the room" is to be blasphemous! In the eyes of the guilty, the truth seems crude and offensive.
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 07:18 PM
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Men want to be loved for what they do, women want to be loved despite what they do.
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 06:18 PM
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Seems it what the feminist want now. sex on their terms without penalty. Couldn't have said it better myself.
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 06:04 PM
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Greek is rusty here but Agàpe is reserved for unconditional types of love from a deity type being. No human loves anything unconditionally. Maybe Philia - love between friends. Whatever. Love is just a chemical reaction to compel animals to fuck. Everything else is just altruism sugar-coated with pretty language and mental gymnastics.
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 12:09 AM
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Dead and slowly dying? No, women have never been decent human beings. We got all kinds of books from the BC days that read just like a MGTOW thread.
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 12:00 AM
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It was a rather sobering story of why one woman froze her eggs, “Jillian Dunham explains why, at 37 and single, she’s ditched the men who won’t commit – and handed over £6,000 to a fertility clinic…”Ms Dunham was not always faced with men who would not commit. When she was 32, her boyfriend proposed but following the death of her mother she refused and split up. Okay the title of the article is "we should ask ourselves why men don't commit" and literally the anecdotal story she uses has a guy pr…
/r/MGTOW30/03/18 11:49 PM
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Not being able to fart is the worst. Remember we'd have Bean Burrito Wednesday and I'd have to clench those damn ass cheeks together. Sure, you can go away to fart in a different room or something, but sometimes she'd follow me. It all just comes out at night anyway. Farted on her face once when we were sleeping. I was perma banned from beans after that.
/r/MGTOW30/03/18 07:38 PM
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I bitch about that tactic all the time on here. They use it all the time. All it is is the gatekeeping fallacy. Plus it works against them. If feminism is for everyone, but only women can understand it.... Well it's not for everyone.
/r/MGTOW30/03/18 07:06 PM
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The federal New Democratic party also threw its support behind the idea. “If we want to create a society where we respect everyone,” told reporters, “we must give more consideration to individuals who are in minority positions who have experienced a lack of respect for years.” So... MGTOWs?
/r/MGTOW30/03/18 06:42 PM
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This conference gives me a chance to present my most recent thinking about an alternative way of understanding men and masculinity, based on what I believe to be their essential role in the family, something I call responsive masculinity. "Essential role in the family". Ah I see. Men are defined by you, a woman, as his relation and usefulness to something else. Is it just me, or is it strange that there is a lot more prominent women that speak for mens rights than... men?
/r/MGTOW30/03/18 07:58 AM
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That is somewhat plausible in a era before widespread police cams. Now publishing the names of people just serves as it's own form of punishment.
/r/MensRights30/03/18 12:59 AM
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Here’s the thing. You can say that this is “just a video game” and that games are allowed to steer clear of politics. But the end result for Far Cry 5 is that refusing to take any stance on any kind of real world issue, despite drawing on a number of them for inspiration, just flat out makes the game’s story worse. Even if it took positions I disagreed with, it would still be more engaging than what we see here. Here's an idea. Maybe that itself was the social commentary. Maybe games can just be…
/r/MGTOW29/03/18 11:23 PM
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Probably the same reason books get banned. Something presents the world in a different light than the pretty ideal world they think they live in, and it's much easier to stick your head in the sand then be forced to confront it. Reminds me of how The Prince was banned. Was just so shocking for the population. "Leaders aren't actually good guys, but dicks acting in there own self interest?? OMG what a hateful thing to say! Ban this Machiavelli incel. Who hurt him?"
/r/MGTOW29/03/18 10:57 PM
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It definitely shows their double standards and lack of awareness. I thought feminists and the left in general were all about giving dignity and respect to those who are marginalized, hurt by society, victims in some way. Wouldn't incels and unattractive men be part of the marginalized groups they should be fighting for, if they really cared about the well being of the "oppressed"? Why would they make fun of anyone on the grounds of their sexuality? No. Instead feminists go on "male improvement c…
/r/MGTOW29/03/18 10:41 PM
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The fiercest anger of all, the most incurable, is that which rages in the place of dearest love Euripides
/r/MGTOW29/03/18 10:01 PM
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Yeah Peterson "apologized" for his statements about MGTOW in the past. I have tremendous respect for the guy too, but we don't really fit within his solution. He wants guys to "man up" and take "responsibility" and wife up some slut and grind out a 9-5 job feeding a horde of crotch goblins till we die. Been there done that. Ive sacrificed myself, my time and energy into doing the "traditional" family thing, working two jobs while going to school, ect. Women don't appreciate it. They HATE you for…
/r/MGTOW29/03/18 09:59 PM
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The reason is usefulness. If you aren't useful in some way to her, you will be tossed aside. Reminds my of the Lysis from Plato: And shall we be friends to others, and will any others love us, in as far as we are useless to them? Certainly not. Neither can your father or mother love you, nor can anybody love anybody else, in so far as they are useless to them? No. And therefore, my boy, if you are wise, -all men will be your friends and kindred, for you will be useful and good; but if you are no…
/r/MGTOW29/03/18 02:00 AM
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I'm not just describing the biology. As a dialectic, it's more of a integrated system where biology effects culture and culture effects biology. There is a point where they lose hard distinctions.
/r/MGTOW29/03/18 01:29 AM
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Their argument is so silly. Populations will decline but will just more than likely re-stabilize at a lower point. Just because populations will decline, doesn't mean they will continue to indefinitely. This happens all the time in nature when an invasive species breeds past its carrying capacity.
/r/MGTOW29/03/18 01:18 AM
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Yes and no. Women function as a biological gatekeeper. They are both creative and destructive. Females selected for traits that are expressed by and in the values of civilization. I think McDonald's customers do teach Golden Ramsay in a abstract sense. It's the problem of leadership and influence in general. It's often described as a dialectical process where "the son is parent to the father", where the child shapes the parent as much as the parent shapes the child. Or with Mr. Ramsay, public be…
/r/MGTOW29/03/18 12:42 AM
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I would have to disagree with her. Men are closer to the primal, raw elements. We are more physical by nature. Women have guile and are more pragmatic, making their natures more compatable for modern civilization. The Greeks particularly held this view. They incorporated a whole philosophy of history, where humans transitioned between an ancient world dominated by brute force (male) into a world directed by cunning and deceit (female). It also explains why women have so much more power over men …
/r/MGTOW28/03/18 09:20 PM
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Jesus. I knew endocrine distributors are a thing, but to me sounded a bit tin foil hatty. Then I remembered how Rome used lead in their plumbing. Seems we keep repeating the same mistakes.
/r/MGTOW28/03/18 08:37 PM
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Essentially she is saying "you don't know what it feels like to be scared because your not a woman." Besides just simple ad hominem, this is sort of a new refitting of moral relativism. Instead of applying it to cultures (you can't understand X culture because your belong to Y culture), feminism uses it for gender. There are a lot of problems with moral relativism. It allows for an infinite amount of sub categories, to where each individual belongs in their own category, making it to where no on…
/r/MGTOW28/03/18 08:02 PM
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That short term easy living becomes long term sustainable living after she uses her short term beauty to attract a man to provide for her. They truly get the best of both worlds. Schopenhauer wrote about this: With young girls Nature seems to have had in view what, in the language of the drama, is called a striking effect; as for a few years she dowers them with a wealth of beauty and is lavish in her gift of charm, at the expense of all the rest of their life; so that during those years they ma…
/r/MGTOW27/03/18 11:00 PM
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When guys express their frustration and depression of being completely rejected by the opposite sex, they are just labeled as failures and incels, mocked and shunned. When women do it wayyy after they hit the wall and had tons of opportunities to have a relationship but choose not to, they get everyones sympathy. A lot of guys are so ashamed and embarrassed they can't even talk about these things. The double standards are insane.
/r/MGTOW27/03/18 10:53 PM
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You think so? It seemed that's sorta what the author was trying to not so subtly suggest by all the loaded language being thrown around. My first thought was more like it's an effort to try to discredit her ideas because it presents a threat to feminism. According to the article, feminists kicked her out of their cult. Figured she is just on their hit list and are trying to paint her as a provocateur who just likes to stir up shit and who's opinions don't really matter. There's a few other older…
/r/MGTOW27/03/18 08:28 PM
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That's the crux of the matter: the growing unattractiveness due to attitude, governmental intervention, entitlement, and general malaise that prevents the brain chemicals from giving us the love fix. I think your on to something here. I'd classify all these things as "trust" - a little understood and underappreciated concept. Naturally in courtship humans are valnerable in many different ways - emotionally, physically, financially, ect. The brain needs to experience "trust" in order to form inti…
/r/MGTOW27/03/18 06:54 PM
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Certainly without all attention they would be
/r/MGTOW27/03/18 06:33 PM
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The only other things I could think of as a job for a stay at home wife is something like child rearing. But nowdays since fertility rates dropped by half and we have mandatory public education that whisks the kid away for 8+ hours a day, even that job has ended.
/r/MGTOW27/03/18 06:05 PM
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What does it mean to be "represented"? Just because the presidents happen to be male, doesn't necessarily imply that women's interests (and hence women) aren't being "represented". Power and influence is a very complicated thing. There is an expression - "the child is parent to the father".
/r/MensRights27/03/18 04:58 AM
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Totally agree. I've been saying this for years. The philosophy of "Abundant thinking" is just "opportunity" with another name. Humans typically don't want to be told "no", they want to believe that they have limitless possibilities and potentials and therefore limitless potential mates always around the next corner - which, is not psychologically always a positive. The attitude of "always another one around the corner" partly contributes to things like infidelity, viewing people as expendable, a…
/r/MGTOW27/03/18 04:19 AM
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paper bag club A.k.a. makeup.
/r/MGTOW27/03/18 03:20 AM
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Vast hordes of homeless women will never happen. They have legions of Simps to come and "save" them. Saw this in person. Met with this young hot 20 something girl to go backpacking around the state with. She had to walk alone for whatever reason with a backpack on the highway one day. Had every cop and guy stop trying to give her "help". Some dude even gave her a necklace. When she joined up with me I was like, wtf?? You had half the town scrambling to see what was going on with you, while i can…
/r/MGTOW27/03/18 02:52 AM
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Ancient Greece had a similar law, different circumstances though but similar principle. The law forbade the children of certain kinds of familial crimes (though I think there is evidence this extended to more general crimes, like murder) to marry or have children of their own. The idea was that by preventing the children from having kids, the cycles of retribution would end with the victim. Ancient people seem to have a better understanding of what conflict actually is, but their solutions are p…
/r/MGTOW27/03/18 01:51 AM
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That natural sympathy for her plight has been transferred to the modern single mother.. Your right. It's like a paradigm shift. Culture hasn't had time to compensate for the new found sexual freedoms. Sexual liberation has only existed since what, the 60's? That's a very tiny portion of recorded human civilization. Maybe there is even a biological component to this as well? I'd imagine it works in principle similar to how abandoned human babies attract a animal caregiver in the wild (or any babi…
/r/MGTOW27/03/18 01:37 AM
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In what ways do men have more privilege?
/r/MensRights27/03/18 01:01 AM
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she was competing with the girls for the Alpha male in the classroom. I think there's a lot to this. We already know physiologically females synchronize their ovulation. Maybe they have some psychological synchronization as well? This could make it hard to separate themselves from the social hierarchy around them.
/r/MGTOW26/03/18 08:06 PM
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my second thought is she wants to bring another woman in the relationship so she has an excuse to get "jealous" and ruin the marriage. More like so the guy doesn't get jealous or feel left out (by her hand picking the one girl he will likely ever get) while she lines up rows and rows of Chads for herself. Very clever tactic.
/r/MGTOW26/03/18 07:48 PM
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Just reading the testimonies of many of the posters, it looks like they came to MGTOW because of being pursued by a woman. They only way they came to be intimately knowledgeable about the pitfalls of marriage and relationships is to have been intimate with it to begin with.
/r/MGTOW26/03/18 07:29 PM
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I've been noticing that too and wondering why. Social science as a whole seems to be avoiding certain topics altogether. It's sort of the same problem in neuroscience when it comes to free will and determinism, or in biology with racial differences. Same thing with men opting out. They try to frame the issue as brought on by capitalisms rising inequality. Of course that's a factor, but not the sole cause they are trying to make it out to be. In all the papers and speeches I've seen, not one has …
/r/MGTOW26/03/18 07:09 PM
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I'm probably naive, but I would rather remain naive and hopeful than cynical and hopeless. The Buddhists have a phrase - "abandon all hope". It's hope and the positive bias that ensues that makes people addicted to gambling, for example. They ignore the reality around them to their own peril. What is called "nieveity" (or innocence) I call ignorance and stupidity. Your reclassifying the virtues based on its adjacent property.
/r/MGTOW25/03/18 08:28 PM
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Yeah, I don't think awareness of the falling fertility rates is out there enough for it to make a tangible effect in how any kind of policy is made. The fall in marriages though, gets much more recognition it seems like. But everyone seems to be "meh" about it.
/r/MGTOW25/03/18 07:47 PM
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You sound new here so I'll take some time to explain. I thought exactly the same thing until one day it happened to me. I used to laugh in a person's face when they would warn me about a woman putting semen in herself secretly. Like, a woman can get pretty much any guy she wants, right? Why would she go out of the way to pursue such a Machiavellian scheme just to get pregnant? It's incredibly difficult for me even to get a date, let alone worry about some girl intentionally carrying my child! I …
/r/MGTOW25/03/18 07:24 PM
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"Female representations with highly accentuated sexual attributes are very well documented at many sites, but male representations are very, very rare." Wonder what that means?
/r/MensRights25/03/18 12:25 AM
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Gault was a character from Atlas Shrugged. Basically a wealthy guy who protested the increasing fall of individualism by refusing to contribute/work, thereby depriving society of his contribution. So I take it "going Galt" means something like "opting out of the ratrace".
/r/MGTOW225/03/18 12:01 AM
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No, this is how civilizations fall - the tyrants of the world rallying up others to work for some "cause", shaming those who live the private, peaceful life.
/r/MGTOW24/03/18 09:50 PM
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Hate is the only thing I have left.
/r/MGTOW24/03/18 06:10 PM
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Behind every beautiful woman lies a mountain of discarded broken men.
/r/MGTOW24/03/18 06:01 PM
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A quick Google search easily disproved this. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3693622/ (From the abstract) - Testosterone plays a significant role in the arousal of these behavioral manifestations in the brain centers involved in aggression and on the development of the muscular system that enables their realization. There is evidence that testosterone levels are higher in individuals with aggressive behavior, such as prisoners who have committed violent crimes. Several field studies…
/r/MGTOW23/03/18 04:49 PM
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Yeah The Finnish Study. On average a 20℅ decrease compared to their age groups only 30 or so years prior! I know that the social environment has a impact on hormone production. In first world societies testosterone is more of a liability then a benefit. The effects of testosterone - aggression, have been criminalized. Instead of pulling out our swords and dueling, we pull out our "rights" and fight using the courtroom, which is the intellectual realm. This transformation describes the history of…
/r/MGTOW23/03/18 06:22 AM
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You have a 85℅ match. How's that feel?
/r/MGTOW23/03/18 12:36 AM
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Had a cross country coach tell us about how his coach would say to the runners to lay off sex and masturbation a few days before a meet. I suppose the rationale was that the body can have a slight increase in performance. Evolutionary biology confirms this with thirst. The body performance increases when the body is dehydrated, presumably to help the body "get through" the scarcity and obtain water. The same function probably exists with sex. If you aren't "getting any", the body prioritizes the…
/r/MGTOW22/03/18 08:11 PM
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At least she's honest. She wrote what has always been an unspoken sentiment that exists in the female subconscious.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/03/18 07:34 PM
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If this is true, it sounds like your that archetypical alpha male we talk about here. Never forget the role you played out in all of this and the pain that you caused others.
/r/MGTOW22/03/18 07:11 PM
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Science says attraction is something that is almost an instantaneous reaction. Humans establish those friend zone boundaries in a matter of a few seconds to minutes during first contact. After this initial assessment, the level of attraction is more or less set in stone. In other words, no one leaves the friend zone by merit of sexual desirability.
/r/MGTOW22/03/18 06:38 PM
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Must be given by feminists and reflect a feminist perspective Essentially this is framing the whole discourse under "the no true Scotsman fallacy". Besides, what is a feminist perspective on something when feminism claims to have such a varied number of branches and perspectives on a single topic? At what point is a perspective not in line with feminism? Where is the line?
/r/MensRights22/03/18 05:18 AM
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Anecdote here too, student taught for years at the college level. We saw roughly an equal amount of male and female art majors pass through. As far as technical skill went, there tended to be more females that would display a higher degree of skill. However, the content from the men overwhelmingly tended to be more mature themes. The females favorite subject matter (and portfolio) almost always consisted of self portraits. The males explored more sophisticated and deeper themes, such as the pass…
/r/MGTOW22/03/18 04:41 AM
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Am I talking to my past self here? Yeah I completely understand where your coming from. I've had the love of my life leave me and the depression it caused was so terrible I didn't want any human being to ever experience what it feels like. So when I met this girl a long time after and it wasn't working out, I sensed a lot of me in her. That original innocence before I had it ripped from me. So I stayed with her, and tried to make her stronger so that someday she wouldn't need me. Having been thr…
/r/MGTOW22/03/18 03:25 AM
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Yeah I know. I meant that technology specifically.
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 08:33 PM
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I think you need to sit down and think about why you are attracted to these types to begin with, and start seeing them for what they truly are. Don't be captivated by appearances. Every beautiful woman walks not upon the soft hearts of men, but upon the hard skulls of those that she slain.
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 07:30 PM
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I don't understand why this hasn't become the standard yet. Women do this more metaphorically by using social media and dating applications to shop for men (genes), going to a sperm bank takes the most direct control of this process. It cuts through all the fluff and frivolity of courtship and aligns it more truly with what it is - the female eugenic project. I suppose the only reason this hasn't caught on is because of the resource element to this all. Women still need a provider. But still, co…
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 06:40 PM
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Farrar's bill would penalize men for masturbation because such behavior is a failure to preserve the sanctity of life and "an act against an unborn child." I suppose by that logic we should throw women in jail who reject us. It's killing the potential child that would have been produced in that union.
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 05:21 PM
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Imagine they were aware that they in fact live off the degradation and systematic selection of men. I enjoyed your writing. This was the most fascinating idea for me.
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 05:08 PM
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I've done something similar in the past. I built a very crude teepee out of logs and hay and lived in that for about a year. I plan on finding a mountain when the temp picks up a little more and go back to the life. Not quite as fancy as a log cabin but it works for me. Costs nothing to build and maintain, just time.
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 04:55 PM
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socialized misery This is interesting. I've never heard it framed this way. Thanks for giving me something to experiment with.
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 12:15 AM
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I have aspergers so navigating the social world has been a very difficult challenge for me too. Unlike the other members here, I'm much more pessimistic about how much strides one can take in developing social skills. Developmental psychology confirms this - these skills develop fairly early (4-5 years) and are more or less solidified as time progresses. Some describe it as sort of a cyclical relationship. Kids that get a early start typically get more attention compared to their peers, and so t…
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 12:01 AM
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In Parliament, in the boardroom, on the airwaves – men still dominate positions of power and influence. So what's "power"? Its such an abstract idea. In all the books on political science and philosophy I have ever read no two people have a true consensus of what "power" is. We as a species just don't understand what that even means. Is the man with the spotlight the one in power, or is it is advisors that direct him from the sidelines? Is the "child the parent to the father", as the expression …
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 07:11 PM
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Exactly. I met a party girl in college and she told me this. She was going to law school and knew that when she graduated she'd have little time for "fun".
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 06:48 PM
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Yeah I have similar feelings but with art. I remember doing post grad work and seeing the new freshman girls come in. Listening to them try to explain their "work" just made me angry. They are shallow horrible creatures that can never delve deep into their subject matter, but who got covered in praise because they were young and attractive.
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 06:33 PM
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Also the long term psychological ramifications too. Rejection is actually so much more than just saying "no" - it's essentially a unspoken statement that your essence, your genetics, your very existence are unworthy of continuity and should not be passed down to the next generation. Men have a subconscious understanding of this and women will never understand what is written here.
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 05:57 PM
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That makes me crack up every time. Those guys were brilliant. Attacking them with ad hominem is like bringing a squirt gun to shoot down a tank.
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 05:48 PM
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Maybe you could teach me some things. I just get destroyed by them. I have tried to keep a detailed record of each rhetorical technique they use, trying to look at the overall form of each argument, but in a fluid dialectical exchange it seems I don't have that capacity to keep up. They simply employ too many categorical subdivisions, which allows them greater flexibility to shift between abstractions and concrete points. In other words, they can't be "nailed" on a point because of the wide rang…
/r/MensRights20/03/18 07:21 AM
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You know I was thinking about this today. Though I would say MGTOW parallels closely with first wave feminism more then the third wave. First wavers were very upfront about the deceptive nature of women. That was their original justification for getting women "independent" and in the workforce - that women rely on deception because they are dependent on men and have to use subversion to compensate for the natural power inequality. But what the first wavers say and what we say are nearly identica…
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 06:59 AM
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That's a lie, so they get more privileges form limp waisted, small dicked professors that love to flirt with female students. They never see girls in STEM. So they'll bend over backwards. As a former student teacher I can confirm this.
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 05:39 AM
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I suppose it's desensitizing women (and men) by having multiple partners.
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 04:19 AM
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Psychology calls it "the treadmill effect". Basically your mind adjusts to any amount of stimuli you receive to where it takes greater amounts to get the same sensation. It's almost like your mind develops a tolerance toward dopamine, it's own drug. I assume this served a useful function when our ancestors dealt with scarcity, so that treadmill effect was naturally counteracted by the conditions of the time. Nowdays, we experience plenty in the first world so that effect is no longer useful.
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 04:00 AM
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Well you could do what the ancient kings of old did. Pimp out a memorial for yourself or a small mausoleum. At least your be supporting the arts.
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 09:20 PM
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There’s a time and place in life for all emotions. No emotions are “bad.” They all serve a purpose. It’s only the fixation on one emotion over long periods of time that makes it toxic (i.e., too much of anything is bad for you). I thought this point was the most interesting. It's ecclesiastical and teleological. Though he's committing the "naturalistic fallacy" here by bringing this up. You can't simultaneously say "things have a place" (a description) and also say "X needs to change (a proscrip…
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 08:33 PM
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They hate us because they can't see past the surface layer. They can't see past the outward crudeness of our delivery to find its epistemic usefulness. All they see is hate and anger, but we are their children. They made us who we are. But we do not serve our parents.
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 06:51 PM
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Exactly. Altgough I'm accused of being a jerk all the time, what pointing out flaws does is make them a more decent, humble human being. When a woman (especially an attractive one) gets pampered by male attention, it spoils her and makes her (more) narcissistic. Anyway Plato actually writes about this in the Lysis. I tool his advice to heart.
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 05:43 PM
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Social validation.
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 05:29 PM
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Glad someone pointed this out. Aeschylus wrote a moving commentary on this - Helen the wild, maddening Helen, one for the many, the thousand lives you murdered under Troy. Now you are crowned with this consummate wreath, the blood that lives in memory, glistens age to age. Once in the halls she walked and she was war, angel of war, angel of agony, lighting men to death. Notice the The blood that lives in memory, glistens age to age . Knowing the sophistication of Greek writing, and their relianc…
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 05:13 PM
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That's silly. Are we to think opposing enemies on the battlefield are actually in love with each other?
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 07:34 AM
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Pretty interesting Achilles and King Arthur are the examples. In the illiad Achilles throws a tantrum when Agamemnon takes his woman away and King Arthur's whole social engineering plan is ruined from a one night stand of his that produced a child and the extramarital affair of Guinevere and Lancelot. Lust undid them all in the end.
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 07:31 AM
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I call this technique "refutation through predication". Feminists (and religions) typically resort to this to deflect any criticism by employing infinite categorical subdivisions.
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 07:10 AM
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This has never happened in history because knowledge we never this free, or vastly accessed globally. I honestly think something will happen here because this variable has never existed in human history before. Schopenhauer wrote sort of a warning about this - Nature has appointed that the propagation of the species shall be the business of men who are young, strong and handsome; so that the race may not degenerate. This is the firm will and purpose of Nature in regard to the species, and it fin…
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 06:29 AM
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I used to think that dating was all about effort. If I just tried even more, and became a better and better person, sooner or later I'd find my dream woman. I think you found a very important concept here. Looking at the larger picture, Western civilization has imbedded within it the idea of "opportunity" - that Man has a great amount of control over his own "fate". I think we see the excesses of this expressed particularly with the feminists by how they reject "immutable" or unchanging characte…
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 05:50 AM
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First world problem exactly. There are literally billions of people who would be glad to have those so called "problems".
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 04:58 AM
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Socially wealthy. Taking that by itself it is a fascinating concept.
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 04:32 AM
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And apparently (if I remember right) the composition they used in the concrete is superior to our modern version. We use rebar support but still meh
/r/MGTOW18/03/18 09:38 PM
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Species responsibility must be returned to women in every culture. Except it was never taken away. Don't these people ever read about biology and sexual selection?
/r/MGTOW18/03/18 04:34 AM
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Very interesting that 10℅ number is close to that Pareto distribution number. Females are attracted to roughly the top 10-15℅ of males. It's like a subconscious drive in the female psyche to cull the population.
/r/MGTOW18/03/18 04:29 AM
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I think it would be hard for us to share those feelings even here, even anonymously. It's so taboo. (Digression)I was thinking logically about this this morning. It's interesting that culture places so much value in something with such little resources invested. An adult has years of care, whereas a child has only minimal amount of investment. Apparently the biological prerogative in the species overwrote the logical one.
/r/MGTOW18/03/18 04:12 AM
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then add in some way overpriced designer clothes which they think will attract Chad. crazy expensive skin, makeup and hair treatments It seems like some advertising implicitly targets these types of women with these insecurities. In addition to the anxiety they already have over mate selection, they have the additional pressure from marketing and advertising campaigns. I don't know why I brought this up. It's all just so very sad to me. Nature designed so much pressure for living creatures to re…
/r/MGTOW18/03/18 03:49 AM
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Someone once said here "you date broken women, they end up breaking you". Sounds like she had other issues before you guys got together. What's called here "low self-esteem" is probably a conglomerate of a bunch of other problems that only produced the low self esteem. Reading between the lines it sounds like she's in highschool? People with depression or low self esteem tend to ironically be more selfish. It's like someone going through extreme pain can think of nothing else but relieving that …
/r/MGTOW06/03/18 11:20 PM
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Jeez did we train together? It became sort of a running joke how the Japanese valued conformity over actual instruction.
/r/MGTOW06/03/18 09:01 PM
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For someone who claims hate is bad, the condemnation is seething and apparent.
/r/MGTOW206/03/18 06:52 PM
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With young girls Nature seems to have had in view what, in the language of the drama, is called a striking effect; as for a few years she dowers them with a wealth of beauty and is lavish in her gift of charm, at the expense of all the rest of their life; so that during those years they may capture the fantasy of some man to such a degree that he is hurried away into undertaking the honorable care of them, in some form or other, as long as they live — a step for which there would not appear to b…
/r/MGTOW06/03/18 06:30 PM
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Maybe just by showing the simple fact that hard intellectual critiques exist can have its own positive influence on the sub?
/r/MGTOW06/03/18 06:03 PM
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Same here. I look around me and all I see is a sex obsessed culture. Men would rather fight tooth and nail for the privilege to reproduce than to give up the chase. It's a biological imperative and unstable in a evolutionary sense. Men and cultures that do manage to give up the chase end up sexually outproduced by other cultures/individuals.
/r/MGTOW05/03/18 07:31 PM
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Be careful though. Your only 4 days into it a it generally takes awhile for new ideas to get digested all the way. The potential to be manipulated is still very real right now for you.
/r/MGTOW05/03/18 06:57 PM
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Women typically from a early age learned to weaponize sex either indirectly or directly. Especially from ambitious, driven individuals who themselves are more likely to be attracted to the corporate sectors. It's no coincidence that countless studies prove over and over again that attractive people tend to be given greater opportunities and treatment in life and hold positions of power. For the author, the woman is painted more or less a passive helpless spectator caught in the throes of male pa…
/r/MGTOW05/03/18 06:29 PM
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I remember a saying from Machiavelli. Something like "don't be the man in power. Be his advisor". I think he's partly building off of the idea that leaders are often figureheads and that someone close to them are the real ones with power. I think women have been indirectly leading humanity much like Machiavelli's example of the advisor. The advisor, like a woman, stays out of the spotlight while they pragmatically exert there influence behind the scenes. I think this is why feminism portrays wom…
/r/MGTOW05/03/18 12:04 AM
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"those who are starving for love the most are seen as the least worthy of it". To this should be added "those who don't want love receive the greatest opportunity to find it." Why is life so paradoxical?
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 10:43 PM
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From the time they are teenagers they know the deal, and 99% of them, well aware of what they are doing, choose do to do it. Do you really think so? It seems like humans as a whole tend to favor short term over long term thinking. When I see a 15 year old girl, it seems like she is totally "living in the moment".
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 08:00 PM
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"The essence of life is struggle, and it's goal is domination. There are higher levels and deeper meanings, but they only exist within the mind of man. The reality of life is war". Looking at things like evolution and social science made me realize that people are basically programmed to maximize their reproductive potential. This is a picture of the world without good or evil. The transgressions they commit are more or less out of necessity.
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 07:43 PM
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There definitely are a lot of double standards going on too with this. There is a great attempt (from the "left") towards looking at those bigger sociological forces at work when it comes to things like womens issues and racial inequality. Some (if not a lot) of their theories are wrong of course, but the point is that they don't place individual blame in those circumstances. They see individual lives as a continuation of a historical paradigm, to which the modern human plays a small part in. It…
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 06:30 PM
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My belief is that it works on a similar principle as Stockholm syndrome. The guy is so used to being ignored and mistreated by women that he begins to get more and more comfortable with his treatment as a coping mechanism. He translates this self esteem issue into the sex because he knows both are fundamentally the same issue - he's treated poorly because of his lack of sex appeal.
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 06:04 AM
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Aristotle attributes the fall of Sparta to fewer men (from war?) and women taking control of the household. From the Nicomachean Ethics I think. I can pm you the exact passage if you like when I get time later. It's too long to post here I think.
/r/MGTOW03/03/18 06:12 PM
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Women are already armed with tasers - they just don't carry them. For this they use men to taze other men - the police.
/r/MGTOW03/03/18 05:41 PM
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According to the U.S. bureau of labor statistics, men and women generally volunteer at similar rates, with women slightly more. However, there is a wide gender gap in the types of jobs men and women choose. However, main activities differed among men and women. Men who volunteered were most likely to engage in general labor (12.3 percent); coach, referee, or supervise sports teams (9.3 percent); or collect, prepare, distribute, or serve food (9.2 percent). Female volunteers were most likely to c…
/r/MGTOW03/03/18 05:05 PM
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Agreed with everything but this - And there's anti-slut defense. Not only is the BB judging her and rejecting her, he's judging and rejecting her for being a slut. He is setting out, explicitly, that he has a problem with her sleeping with a lot of men. He is holding up a mirror to her, and forcing her to look at what she is doing and has done. And deep down, she conceals it and doesn't want to face it - because she knows men don't like it and don't want to commit to it. And that cuts her to the…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/03/18 06:03 AM
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8.overall your expendable. There is always another to take your place if you fuck up.
/r/MGTOW03/03/18 04:42 AM
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Was raised by two women too. I hear ya. I always recommend Plato. The Lysis and Symposium. These two books are asking questions about the nature of love and friendship. Plato doesn't pull any punches when it comes to women. Honestly most of the stuff I see on here is talked about in those books in some form or another. I heard you liked evolutionary psychology. Fun fact - many psychology principles are just reworkings of Platonic doctrines. For example, Freud's id, ego, and superego = Plato's ra…
/r/MGTOW03/03/18 04:32 AM
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I hate the whole idea of having to pay for sex though. I would rather put that money to better use, or at least buy something that I can keep using and lasts longer than a hour or night. Just me though.
/r/MGTOW03/03/18 04:04 AM
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When I was homeless we tended to find others in a similar situation and stick together. I guess they all figured there is "strength in numbers". I was surprised to make so many "friends" just doing nothing. This doesn't refute anything you said because I still knew they were only using me for emotional support, my gear, survival skills, ect. They were in a tight spot too, and I knew if it came down to it they would stab me in the back if it meant their situation would be improved.
/r/MGTOW03/03/18 03:40 AM
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Also bullying people into changing doesn't help. You're not going to make someone eat healthier by using stress, when stress is why they eat unhealthy in the first place. Yeah I can see that. Though I think transference is a thing. So maybe the overweight person will respond to peer pressure by eating less and exercising, and that original stress might be just transfered to some other area of their personality. Maybe they develop anorexia in response, or some other pathology totally unrelated to…
/r/MGTOW03/03/18 03:26 AM
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Yeah but a lot of that depends entirely on the female's perception of what's going on. Women often view non threats as threats and aren't always great at separating the two. I also think a lot of that language gives enough wiggle room to stretch accusations because it's all very subjective and vague. How do we define "blocking their paths" for instance? Would standing in front of them count as blocking their path when your talking to them? This could go on and on. For example I lived in a small …
/r/MGTOW02/03/18 09:08 PM
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The more that you make men compete for women economically, the more women will demand more economic surplus for their vagina, which will result in greater government & corporate gain from consumer (female) spending and the men who try to spend to impress them. Yeah that makes sense. That's how value works - the more scarce something is the greater it's perceived worth. "The Theory of the Leisure Class" basically outlined what you said. My thoughts are that men will go MGTOW over there, which ten…
/r/MGTOW02/03/18 06:37 PM
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Yeah these people are basically Super Chads. I'd rather not give them my attention.
/r/MGTOW02/03/18 06:20 PM
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I don't think humans as a whole like to admit that there are forces beyond their control. So there is this ego problem involved. Humans don't like to acknowledge they have limitations. I also think they entangle the natural physical laws with morality. I hear this all the time - "just because something is a certain way, doesn't mean it should work like that.", Ect. When you turn that focus away from how things work to how they should work, now you lost reality and live in a ideologue.
/r/MGTOW02/03/18 06:12 PM
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“Instead my research has found that many (though not all) of these women appear to abuse because of their own unmet intimacy needs resulting from relationship problems and feelings of loneliness, for example. [...] Perhaps the teacher is experiencing personal loneliness, dissatisfaction with her current relationship, feels the need for revenge, is experiencing lust or perhaps believes it is ‘true love’. “In many cases, there is a history of sexual and or psychological abuse toward the perpetrato…
/r/MGTOW02/03/18 05:52 PM
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Just biology to prioritize both women and children. An adult male can inseminate many females at once, but a female can only carry one child at a time, so men are more expendable. Children had to be giving higher value for obvious reasons otherwise they wouldn't survive to reproductive age and pass on the genes. Parents and cultures that didn't have a protective nature toward children would be out competed by other individuals/cultures. So I think there is a social Darwinism thing at work too. F…
/r/MGTOW02/03/18 05:32 PM
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It's just all social media and Reddit. Big echo chambers and circle jerking. Ask yourself - why most people go on social media to begin with? To get validation and feel better about their shitty lives. No one wants to be told they are wrong, especially smart asses like me who think they know what the hell they are thinking about. That and people generally feel helpless and "winning" an online argument makes them feel like they are in control. It's all just a big power trip, each trying to force …
/r/MGTOW01/03/18 07:43 PM
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Are you guys for real? Your writing whole essays based on an obvious shit post and making a mountain out of an anthill. Claiming some kind of weird moral high ground with regards to "quality of my critique" is totally insane. A commenter above me literally posted "I can smell her stench through the picture". But my comment is somehow female bashing and bad quality?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/03/18 07:11 PM
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I don't get what happened to this sub. This is pussy pass denied and everyone is giving her a pass cause she's hot. It's called "rule of law" and the foundation of society. The idea is that the same rules that apply to me apply to everyone else and no one gets a free pass because of factors like wealth, gender, or attractiveness. We all know that if a man did this the repercussions would be insanely greater. Defending her is helping contribute to the inequality between the sexes and the reason i…
/r/PussyPassDenied01/03/18 06:41 PM
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Just wanted to say you guys do a great job. I'm sure you guys get a lot of shit and not much positive encouragement.
/r/MensRights01/03/18 06:16 AM
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Humans evolved a set of social mechanisms over millions of years that social media can't take into account. For example we developed complex body language and things like blushing because language in itself isn't enough to convey meaning. Everyone experiences this on Reddit, for example, when their sarcasm is misunderstood and had to develop the /s to compensate. We even communicate through smell in the form of pheromones. Another point is that humans were limited to the number and type of inter…
/r/MGTOW01/03/18 05:04 AM
2

It could be because feminism never really demolished those gender roles it claimed it was doing. Women (and culture) still expect men to fulfill the providing role. Feminism seemed to focus entirely on destroying those female norms at the expense of the male ones. The current changing patterns in male behavior probably comes as a reaction to feminist inequality.
/r/MGTOW01/03/18 04:15 AM
1

I think I'm alone in my enjoyment of this metaphor, but I still look to the Panda as a Microcosm (I need a different word) Maybe "convergent evolution/properties"? I like "fractal" from descriptive geometry to refer to how patterns in nature repeat.
/r/MGTOW01/03/18 04:06 AM
-6

Um how is this "female bashing"? I didn't even mention a gender lol. Jumping to conclusions much?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/03/18 03:31 AM
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Different species often develop similar survival and sexual selection mechanisms called "convergent evolution". We can often look to our adjacent animal relatives to get an idea of how behaviors tend to be universal. Because of human bias, it's hard to examine ourselves with objectivity. It's partly psychological and partly epistemic - it's like we can't examine the examiner. It creates feedback logic loops. Having a animal analog to a particular behavior we are observing reduces this paradox.
/r/MGTOW01/03/18 03:16 AM
-5

Um... why are you so triggered?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/03/18 02:37 AM
-1

"lifeguard" lol. Get a real job.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/02/18 11:04 PM
4

Humans suffer from amnesia. For the vast majority of human history, people lived together sharing the same living space with all the different generations. The discovery of the Americas brought with it the idea of opportunity and rugged individualism. "Manifest Destiny" and all that. There was a huge cultural push for expansion. The side effect of this was the drive for home ownership and leaving the nest.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/02/18 09:54 PM
66

I'm 28 and my net worth just surpassed a $250k. I have no gf, no wife, and no kids.. Shhhhhhh!!! They might hear you!
/r/MGTOW28/02/18 05:48 AM
2

Ok so there is a social stigma attached that gets taken into account. That makes sense now. Females typically relate the attraction back to societal expectations (hence why status is so important). Yeah guys seem not to internalize this stigma. I think given the chance, most males would go with a much younger female.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/02/18 04:17 AM
1

So this is interesting. I don't think he's a thinner guy. An athletic build could mean a toned, defined body, which he lacks the indications of. I was going to say that youthfulness becomes the dominate factor in assessing his physical SMV when it's from someone of an older age, but you claim that made you give him a reduced value. I'm not sure what to think of all this.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/02/18 03:59 AM
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To a woman he's most likely a 5- 6. I can tell immediately from his face and neck he lacks an athletic build. His facial features are very rounded and fleshy, as opposed to defined and squared. Women typically look at the jawline and the zygomatic cheek bones when assessing male SMV.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/02/18 03:35 AM
2

I agree with a lot of people here. If your keeping busy, you have less time to think. The idea is that by constantly going forward, you can't look back to reflect on your past. So I take this pretty literally. I just pick a direction and take off for months at a time. If I stay in a place long enough I start remembering my past again. I have a nomadic lifestyle and it works for me. Pretty tragic really that there is a portion of humanity that can only exist by forgetting who they are.
/r/MGTOW28/02/18 03:20 AM
9

I had the opportunity to meet one in my life. I was a teenager working for this church over the summer, and went to eat at their cafeteria. I sat down with some of the members and I noticed one of the younger girls wasn't eating. I asked her why, and she said she was waiting to make sure there was enough food for everybody. I was on my second plate by then. I asked around after the meal and the clergy confirmed that she was like this since a very young child, so this wasn't just some one-off eve…
/r/MGTOW28/02/18 12:32 AM
8

I am this fucking close to starting another Mongol Horde. Damn you Mongoliaaaaaans! You broke ma shetty wall!
/r/MGTOW27/02/18 08:55 PM
10

Ok I couldn't watch this. When your opening narrative hook is a reference to Beyoncé "single ladies", you lost all credibility to me as an academic. The general attitude and tone during that delivery was extremely off putting for me to take her seriously. If you, the speaker, are going to trivialize your subject matter, what prevents me, your audience, from trivializing your views on the subject? If you can't take this seriously why should I?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/02/18 08:24 PM
1

I think it's good. For human cognition to work it needs language to be able to talk to itself. Having a set of words for concepts makes it easier for people and culture to express these ideas in a way that it couldn't without these vocabulary words. So they are just not empty words, by signifiers for an idea - an idea that would be lost without the word referring back to it. Yeah it might become "diluted", but language is a living thing and evolving. New words form to replace the ideas that were…
/r/MGTOW27/02/18 06:42 PM
1

Probably the same reason why some pro landscapers have crappy unkept yards. They figure that it's a job at that point, and why do a job on your free time, especially when your not getting paid?
/r/MGTOW27/02/18 06:29 PM
4

Even now, when feminism has accomplished so much that they have to go hunting for problems that don't exist... Guess that why they call it a "first world problem". First world women are the only ones rich enough that don't have to worry about actual life and death problems, so they take on insignificant pointless causes like gender pronouns.
/r/MGTOW27/02/18 06:17 PM
4

Jeez it's stories like these that makes me glad I worked in construction. Blue collar jobs don't give a shit about all this. Just work your ass off and don't fuck up and your golden.
/r/MGTOW27/02/18 05:05 PM
2

I can grasp the cons and pros of having someone who's not for you. Well. This a interesting way of saying "manipulating my beta provider" that I haven't seen before. Guess you can add "creative" to her personality profile.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/02/18 04:57 AM
1

Yeah I don't have any to lose at this point.
/r/MGTOW27/02/18 02:22 AM
4

A lot of it has to do with the American school experience. That marks the initiation of us into the larger social hierarchy, by cliques and groups. The process establishes a clear pecking order, almost entirely based on attractiveness and appearance. That's why certain groups dress a certain way to distinguish themselves from others - it uses the mechanism of appearance as the medium. Growing up in that toxic environment gives kids a taste of what the rat race of adulthood is like - a cut throat…
/r/MGTOW26/02/18 06:21 PM
7

I was a fat kid in middle and highschool and totally was just tormented and ignored by girls. In college I took the PUA pill, joined the track team and trained hardcore in the local martial arts place. Got cut and lost the fat. Wow! People would smile at me as I walked by! Holy shit! Girls would literally be pounding on the window to give me their number! Twice that happened. It totally went to my head, for a while at least. Deep down I knew that the only thing they were really interested in was…
/r/MGTOW26/02/18 05:34 PM
10

"power differential"?? So basically it's being admitted here that "we are so sexually attracted to men with power that it's tantamount to seduction. We can't keep it in our pants". Hahahaha. We are so fucked.
/r/MGTOW26/02/18 05:07 PM
6

Yeah check this out. Ran across it the other day. Some guy makes a troll tender account as a male model. http://www.tinderseduction.com/male-model-tinder-case-study/
/r/MGTOW26/02/18 05:27 AM
1

Nofap at your age if fucking hard. Respect man. I was only able to pull that off in my late twenties when my hormones basically stopped working lol.
/r/MGTOW26/02/18 01:47 AM
11

That's called tinder, right?
/r/MGTOW26/02/18 01:20 AM
6

we need to walk the streets without fear Man I lived in the ghetto for half a year and my first week I saw some guy get shot dead. The night after part of the street was police taped off from a stabbing fatality. These women have no clue what real fear is. Hahaha. If only I was as lucky to have their problems
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/02/18 11:29 PM
10

When Rahna Reiko Rizzuto wrote about leaving her husband and two small children in her 2010 memoir Hiroshima in the Morning, she was vilified — even receiving death threats — for her decision: We want our mothers to be long-suffering, to put their children’s needs first and their own well-being last if there is time left. We need her to get dinner on the table and the laundry done and the kids to school and the homework finished and the house clean and the cookies for the bake sale made and the …
/r/MGTOW25/02/18 05:47 PM
4

I don't mean to be rude but these are dating sites, what more can anyone expect? Women use these sites as much for sex as they do for their own ego validation. Maybe the whale can't get as much male attention in real life, so she goes online, posts a cookie cutter profile with edited pics from years ago, and gets bombarded with thirsty male attention. The thing is, the pussy worship has gotten so out of control that even the whales get as much or even more attention as an average looking man but…
/r/MGTOW25/02/18 07:45 AM
1

In some-cases if environmental factors force a epigenetic trigger to premature activate the puberty cycle in the adolescent girl then she will age even faster and her fertility will decline earlier. There was a study just on r/science a few days ago that showed a correlation between early childhood obesity and declining fertility in a woman's 30's. By the way I'm diagnosed as on the spectrum and can confirm we do not have souls.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/02/18 06:32 AM
2

I’m feeling pretty down on myself as I know my window to have kids has pretty much passed. Don't worry, Darwinian selection will sort this all out.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/02/18 04:31 AM
3

I thought this was interesting in the comments Guys play games too. It's called being passive aggressive. I wish everyone would just say what they mean. I would say no. Guys typically get backed in a corner often by women because we are physical by nature, and can't resolve conflicts as well socially. That we tend to be more agreeable, especially toward women. Often we bottle up our emotions because we are taught to treat women like princesses, yet that tends to eat us up over time and when it c…
/r/MGTOW25/02/18 04:19 AM
1

Hey that was you?
/r/MGTOW25/02/18 03:46 AM
0

Yeah that's true, but given the context here I tend to think Plato wasn't some crotchety old guy reflecting on a bias. I think this particular passage was taken from The Republic, and a major theme of it is how societies go from a series of stages that start of in perfection a go into collapse. This particular passage is taken to describe the pitfalls of democratic excess that leads to the coming tyrant. So idk. I don't think it's just a bias, but according to Plato, its a mathematical thing tha…
/r/MGTOW25/02/18 12:44 AM
3

Live by the sword, die by it. That's why I like this one.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/02/18 12:26 AM
0

Saw it on MGTOW too.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/02/18 12:23 AM
3

Well at least there was some honesty. A girl from college asked me a long time ago that she was just looking for someone to take care of her while she is pregnant. I ghosted her so fucking fast. But now I'm older I appreciate how blunt and honest she was. So they might be terrible human beings but at least they aren't guilty of deception 🙄
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 11:28 PM
1

Why is it always cats? I've had both cats and dogs, but the best pet I've ever had was a fat dumb beagle. Cats just suck.
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 11:14 PM
1

Her "personality and energy" lol. Guess that's what they call carousel ridding nowdays.
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 10:17 PM
1

I've always had mixed feelings with that game. When it first came out for ps2 it was kinda nice for an open world experience because that genre wasnt really developed like it is now, but for me the story and characters were a step back from ff10.
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 10:06 PM
6

Good post. I tried red pill stuff in my teens and early twenties. Worked out 5 hours every day, weights, running, martial arts, track workouts, ect. Every. Day. On top of going to college full time and a part time job. Ultimately though your going through hell pushing yourself to your breaking point just so some teeny airhead will give you a shot. That's the thing - the female ego is so titanic that even with all that effort, all it takes is a tiny slip up in the conversation and she moves on. A…
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 09:50 PM
5

I get accused of derailing conversations all the time (like how I will now). See what happens is that information is hierarchal in nature, and if a premise is false, so is all the other information built using that premise. Also as information ascends up from the particulars to generals it gets more abstract in nature, and difficult for people to see how something is relevant. This is just a natural function of language but SJWs tend to weaponize these transitions to their advantage. It's gotten…
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 07:02 PM
3

The comments are amazing. I especially like this one If average guys knew they stood a chance, maybe they’d be giving a —k and not acting like perpetual frat boys and resorting to beer, video games and porn. See, men are funny that way. If we have no chance at winning, we don’t always play the game. There is a point when men just say “fuggit”.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/02/18 04:23 AM
4

Yeah me too. I'm glad awareness of female nature is growing. Wish these places existed back when I was a kid and dealing with crazy chicks. At least this newer generation has some hope.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/02/18 03:17 AM
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Is this demanding attitude common for Tinder? Why would any man subject himself to this?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/02/18 03:12 AM
3

I don't think so. If anything the pussy worship has gotten far more out of control. Thots are still a valuable commodity to the vast majority of planet Earth, and those who resist the thirst are but a tiny minority. The thots don't even recognize us as a blimp on their radar.
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 03:06 AM
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This is why I think men are bailing out of 1st world societies really fast. The female imperative is too exclusionary, like the post says. We know from studies that women are very very picky about who they think are attractive. If 85℅ of men are seen as unattractive, that's leaving a lot of men disenfranchised from society. Who would want to contribute to a society that doesn't see you as being a valued member? I won't. If you take away companionship, what's left to use as the carrot on the stic…
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 02:56 AM
3

Wouldn't a so called "true Christian" object to the entire premise of shopping for a love interest by "swiping right" to begin with? Christians tell me that love is of the highest order, that of all the many virtues humans ascribe to a good life, the ability to love is what connects lowly flawed humans with divine perfect beauty. And humans sought to express this connection in history through the arts and went to work to create mankind's most treasured expressions of this profound longing... Wha…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/02/18 02:04 AM
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I love how men seem to think women only go for rich, successful, handsome alpha males. I guess it's the only way they can cope by being constantly rejected (probably because most women sense their shitty attitude - it's usually hard to hide). A few things here. 1) Numerous scientific studies continually prove that female sexuality favors certain traits over others, and that given a dating pool - a wide selection of males to choose from - they consistently select for characteristics known as "alp…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/02/18 12:20 AM
11

r/incucks. let's make this a thing
/r/MGTOW23/02/18 08:37 PM
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How are you defining here "existential anxieties"? What does that mean? Even animals share a desire for paternity to the offspring they are raising. If both humans and animals share in this primal drive, wouldn't that discount this as being existential?
/r/MGTOW23/02/18 08:30 PM
1

Something I wish he explored, but only hinted at - "the struggle for survival". For me, this simple phrase is that underlying principle that divides the worldviews of people into two schools of thought.
/r/MGTOW23/02/18 05:25 PM
1

But would you let an alcoholic tend bar? For young guys especially they have strong hormones and urges. Being around women unnecessarily invokes those feelings. It's better in the early stages like OP is to just avoid them altogether, for right now at least.
/r/MGTOW23/02/18 05:07 AM
5

I used to teach women's self defense classes. The first thing we stressed is that they need to stop conflicts before they start. For example, don't walk in a bad part of town out night. Drinking alcohol lowers your judgement and makes you more valnerable. Yeah, people may interpret that as a infraction on their rights, but realistically here, if you choose to put yourself in harm's way, knowing the risks, that's irresponsible behavior and naive at best. Goes for both men and women.
/r/MGTOW23/02/18 04:59 AM
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Now, give me thousands of upvotes for mocking a neckbeard/virgin/short/bald male please. ~ Le reddit knight signing out. This. That's the hypocrisy of SJWs - if they honestly do think we are who they think we are, wouldn't that put us in a category worthy of their protection, rather than ridicule? Aren't we just a disenfranchised minority angry and oppressed by a larger culture then?
/r/MGTOW23/02/18 04:36 AM
3

She's probably a single mom already.
/r/MGTOW23/02/18 04:18 AM
3

Wish we had more analytical things like this. It's mental self defense and necessary to learn for any man going against the grain.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 05:10 PM
1

Idiocracy looks like an improvement at this point.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 04:31 PM
1

Can confirm. I'd even put in "price is non-negotiable" or something like that and it's like they didn't bother to read the ad.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 04:18 PM
1

Haha yeah I got sob stories like this ALL the time when I would sell from Craigslist. Probably like every other reply, actually. I used other sites too and still had the same problem. I just play head games with them right back. Something like "I'm sorry to hear that. I found another interested buyer anyway. I'll keep you in mind if it falls through." 80℅ of the time they drop the sob story and agree to pay the listed price. This is just something you gotta deal with when selling things online.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 03:52 PM
2

Good grief she has such a panicked tone. The prospect of a life alone obviously scares the shit out if her. Men though, when facing that lonely trek through life we trudge on. We must because who will come and save us? How many men has she cast aside like unwanted trash, "unworthy" for companionship?
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 03:23 PM
6

This has nothing much to do with maturity, but with biology. I tend to think mature people would understand that.
/r/MGTOW22/02/18 02:48 PM
2

Most people barely clean up their own room but love to complain about how everyone else is polluting the world. Ah you got that from Peterson I bet. Yeah that is sound advice me thinks.
/r/MGTOW18/02/18 02:44 AM
10

Speculation here, but could that be partly responsible for the higher birth rates of families in poverty?
/r/MGTOW18/02/18 02:40 AM
5

A study on came out a few weeks ago that said our genetics keeps a record of our physical fitness level. Epigenetics or metagenetics (whatever it's called) studies how environmental stressors like famine leave a multigenerational effect. If a teenager suffered from anorexia, her baby will typically be underweight at birth, for example. Idk. We just really are scratching the surface here. Scary to think about.
/r/MGTOW18/02/18 02:38 AM
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Idk. Most women have orbiters on speed dial. She'll just go to the next guy and maybe make him into her emotional tampon if she did give two fucks about OP.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 07:49 PM
2

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? A lot of the incels I see here and there tend to be younger and are kinda just cought up in the hookup culture around them because they don't know any other culture.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 06:55 PM
3

Yeah I suspect all of us are involuntarily MGTOW. If women were biologically designed to be better mates, to be loving and loyal, to be selfless, ect., Wouldn't we all think it was worth it?
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 06:49 PM
2

Stages of grief. We are all thrown together at different levels. I think patience is the way to go here.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 06:37 PM
7

Without that bubble shielding them from the full, cold fury of nature, they would be annihilated. That was beautiful
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 06:34 PM
2

My grandpa tried to break up a bar fight between a wife and husband, and the wife shot him in the stomach. Had a karate teacher do the same thing, wife called him over to help her and when he was kicking the guys ass the wife hit him in the head with a metal pipe.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 06:29 PM
25

If I didn't get cancer from the clip, the comments finished the job - oh my gosh we need to do this!!! This would be so fun Repeated over and over again.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 06:13 PM
2

She's a solid 8 and he's a 4-3. No other information is needed.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 06:03 PM
1

I always seen hate as the foundation for justice. Eye for an eye kinda thing humans have wired in their brains. Even monkeys have it. It's a check and balance survival mechanism so that greedy members won't take too much of the groups mental and physical resources.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 05:56 PM
1

You wasted the best years of my life Shit. I said something similar to my ex. This is embarrassing..
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 05:46 PM
2

Because it's easy to slip into those blue pilled ways like I did. Tried the relationship thing even knowing after so many going bad that it was a waste of time. Yeah that's why it's good to have your daily dose of medicine here. It's like AA for relationshit addicts. We need the support group so we don't swallow the blue pill.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 07:38 AM
2

I hate shopping. The entire experience, from the layout of the building, to the aesthetic choices, to the very sounds you hear, have been designed from the ground up, with the utmost knowledge of human behavior and psychology, to manipulate you and steal your money.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 07:25 AM
2

Fuck yeah Wollstonecraft. To be fair, she basically just spat out Rousseau pretty much verbatim. The only reason I like her was because Rousseau is so kick ass, she got ass kickery by diffusion.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 07:15 AM
3

Yeah your right. I chased her around like some horny rabbit. Didn't even need other thirsty simps around, I spoiled her with my lust I think. Well live and learn I guess.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 07:10 AM
6

It's probably the same reason why men commit suicide more. Men tend to use "more lethal means" like guns because of the social norms that reinforce the gender stereotypes. I've yet seen a avid female gun enthusiast.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 07:06 AM
8

I have a feeling this will hurt only hurt men in the long run. Women can monkey branch away from it. Always a thirsty simp for them even post wall if they try hard.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 06:57 AM
1

Yeah your right. Thanks for calling me out on it. I'm still learning here.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 06:50 AM
7

Nature or nurture? I'm guessing both. Women are programmed a certain way by evolution. AWALT, even the ones that are insulated from culture. My ex was isolated, homeschooled, raised by single father, but she still ended up like all the other women. It's sorta like a fat person who suddenly looses weight. They see all the attention they get and get drunk. Same with isolated women.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 06:50 AM
13

I chuckled a little to myself. I remember Aeschylus talking about this 2500 years ago. Women never change.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 06:38 AM
2

I think calling it a crush trivializes the whole thing. Just because someone may not be sleeping with the person doesn't mean they aren't intimately attached.
/r/MGTOW17/02/18 06:33 AM
3

Lol I have no idea what any of that means. Translation?
/r/MGTOW16/02/18 05:07 AM
14

Yeah not out of the woods yet unfortunately
/r/MGTOW16/02/18 05:00 AM
9

Well what do you expect in what looks like a nightclub/bar? Worked one for years. They are the worst of the worst.
/r/MGTOW16/02/18 04:55 AM
2

In my early 20's I put up with sooo much because of sex. I was a "have sex with only your soulmate" kinda guy. So i waited for "the right one". When I had sex the first time, I wanted to be with her because I made this "sacred commitment" or some bullshit. Stayed with her for years and years and naturally our relationship deteriorated quickly. Still feel like sex is a thing with one person so went no fap monk mode. This is the best compromise from my values, and let's me keep some dignity.
/r/MGTOW16/02/18 04:52 AM
8

I can't really tell here if this is humblebragging stuff. But then again, Im monk here so all pump and dump stories sound like that. Seems so pointless to me.
/r/MGTOW16/02/18 04:33 AM
1

At the moment, I couldnt say anything. Good move. "Know when to shut up" another guy said here. Often it gets heated and the guy says stupid things just to be used against him later. Speaking from experience.
/r/MGTOW16/02/18 04:26 AM
3

Well would you find a brain in a jar attractive?
/r/MGTOW16/02/18 04:16 AM
1

Yeah it's kinda like karmic consequences. Well if everything we do effects other people, than everything they do effects us.
/r/MGTOW16/02/18 04:14 AM
5

If you can find one person, be it male or female, who you can talk to and be perfectly honest with yourself and them, you've lucked out. Getting mentally intimate with another person really feels closer than sex. Its like your peeling away the surfaces layers, like how a painter will study anatomy to better grasp his sitter, or like how an architect will devote himself to a geometrical blueprint. They contain the form or what some say as the soul of the object.
/r/MGTOW16/02/18 04:05 AM
3

"Sapiosexuals"... I was on r/science when that study came out. It was messy and loaded. We are only attracted to intelligence after certain prerequisites are already met because intelligence itself is predicated on a series of other factors.
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 05:49 PM
4

Behind every beautiful face lies a mountain of corpses.
/r/MensRights15/02/18 08:09 AM
1

This seems very reasonable. Though the alternative doesn't seem any better to me because then we think we are responsible for everything and blame the individual or ourselves for problems we didn't actually create.
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 07:31 AM
20

Somebody last night posted a passage from Aristotle where he talks about how Sparta collapsed over women. Pretty funny.
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 06:35 AM
2

Thanks for lettin me know. Still high btw probably for the best.
/r/MGTOW215/02/18 05:19 AM
0

I wanted the rings to be a surprise for today, and gave her the flowers last night...she thought that the flowers were the only thing I am gifting her so she complained, she started sending me pictures on my movie what all her friends are getting for their Valentine. Have to disagree with the comments on this one. Social media is partly to blame here, not just her jealously and materialism. Social media provides that constant contrast of comparison. It's like how a black line only sticks out bec…
/r/MGTOW215/02/18 04:43 AM
2

Wtf are these terms and conditions?
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 04:10 AM
2

Yeah. I just don't get the smoking though. I thought SJWs were all about fighting the "evil institutions". Targeting Tobacco companies sound right up their alley?
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 04:06 AM
1

why are we giving her a free pass here just because of what her husband looks like? Last I checked we want women to take responsibility for their sexuality, not be excused because they got horny and weren't attracted to their HUSBAND. We would publicly crucify a man if he did this.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/02/18 03:48 AM
10

Weird... Dated a chick in highschool who kinda looked like the thot on the left. Real health nut and athletic. Broke up when we went away to college. Met each other 4 years later after college to catch up and she cut her hair short, got fat, and picked up smoking and drinking. Was like WTF happened?! Did some traumatic event force you into a nihilistic pleasure spree? Did you use these addictions as some kind of coping mechanism?? Speak!! Found out she got involved in feminism while perusing her…
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 03:27 AM
5

The thousands of comments were as repetitive as if the people writing them had just hit copy-paste. The same sentiments appeared over and over again, yet everyone felt equally compelled to write them. She’s fat, she’s gross, how can this happen? And so on. Oh come on we are way more creative than that.
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 03:00 AM
5

This relationship is so underrated. Men face repeated rejections, why wouldn't it effect their self-esteem and mental health? Anyone know any studies about this? I don't.
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 02:32 AM
2

It's argued that we physically mature sexually before we mature mentally or something. If we aren't mentally mature than we don't have the rationality to consent. But our brain stops growing somewhere around mid 20's I think, so how does that make sense? You actually made a good point. Kinda taboo to get into though but fuck it.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/02/18 02:14 AM
1

I think it's about the double standard that's got people upset. "Reverse the gender" kinda thing.
/r/PussyPassDenied15/02/18 02:09 AM
15

Even if she isn't that attractive and is just normal, if she's nice and not a fat cow guys don't need more than that. This. This is basically the unicorn standard nowdays.
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 01:58 AM
-8

I used to post high here alot but all the negative vibes killed my mojo.
/r/MensRights15/02/18 01:45 AM
2

Do you think the 80/20 rule still applies? Not trolling. Another user had a similar view to yours and made a good point.
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 01:29 AM
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This. It's like in social science the bigger the study, the exponentially bigger the variables get, making it almost impossible to know cause and effect for certain. PUA is just small scale social engineering. The more unattractive the man, the more variables that have to be taken into account. I'd imagine PUA get diminishing returns on there effort after a certain SMV point, so the effort no longer is worth the rewards.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 04:52 PM
14

It's about you giving him the license to make the move. Yeah. Can't see that happening any time soon.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 04:39 PM
3

This is really cool. Was sorta basing that idea on something like social identity theory and sociology - that we tend to form into binary oppositions over time. I wonder if these ideas clash with that or if they are compatible?
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 10:07 AM
1

I've been on these subs wayyy more than I should admit lately. Mostly because of the chaotic shitfest going on that leaves no other places to vent, and generally just to be an asshole in a PC culture where you feel like your walking on eggshells 24/7. Yes I said it. It feels good to be a jerk sometimes because we can't even voice our opinions in a reasonable manner and stand up to women in real life. Get sexual harassment charges? No thanks. Get openly ridiculed and publicly crucified when you s…
/r/PussyPassDenied14/02/18 09:45 AM
1

We should just get these two factions in a ring and have um go at it. Winner take all. No more craziness. Problem solved.
/r/PussyPassDenied14/02/18 08:05 AM
2

Was she Asian? I've heard a mix of stories about them.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 07:43 AM
2

Personally I don't see the point of photos. The past is gone forever. Why hold onto something that doesn't exist? They aren't those people anymore - we are different people everyday. We dont step in the same river twice, so why go back to cross it?
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 06:15 AM
5

Backpack is way too small (among other things). That's always a dead giveaway.
/r/PussyPassDenied14/02/18 05:57 AM
3

Fuck yeah! Greekin it up! And this is what has actually happened at Sparta; the legislator wanted to make the whole state hardy and temperate, and he has carried out his intention in the case of the men, but he has neglected the women, who live in every sort of intemperance and luxury. So another example of the Ancients "female oppression" in the past I take it lol.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 05:38 AM
1

Serously this was a great read. We need more stuff like this on the sub.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 05:26 AM
-1

You know your right. It's all masturbation sushi. But you ate it.
/r/MensRights14/02/18 04:59 AM
8

Went to uni. and saw firsthand how they were sweeping legitimate science under the rug in favor of SJW doctrine. Left me very bitter to see feminism spread through the college like a infection. A lot of good teachers said fuck it and I left when they did. After that whole shitstorm and a ton of psycho relationships and getting baby trapped I googled "why women suck" and it led me here. When you get past all the crudeness and profanity there is truth here that other people refuse to see - especia…
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 04:56 AM
-1

Triggered feminist lol.
/r/MensRights14/02/18 04:12 AM
2

Midwest people don't give two shits about a dudes personal life as long as he works hard and is born white. It's a conservative work culture - nothing else matters. (Not being racist. Born and raised in a small Midwest town. That's just how they see it)
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 04:09 AM
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Same here. Was a hardcore Socialist Democrat and defected fast, but still not crazy about the philosophy behind Republicanism, but definitely grown more sympathetic than I ever thought I would be. I'm pretty lost too. At least our experience let's us see both sides. I imagine if truth exists, it always lies smack dab in the middle between two opposing forces.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 03:23 AM
2

Klingons would just beat the shit outa them when they got horny. Think they got them beat.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 02:55 AM
2

The more people who get their panties in a wad over what I say, the better. That means what I'm saying is true and it hurts their cognitive dissonance. I heard some old advice once - "if you ever need to know what the right thing to do is, look around you and do the exact opposite". Damn good advice.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 02:50 AM
2

This sounds like ridiculous first world problems. I think there are people out there that would kill to have a problem like that over what they have to deal with on a daily basis.
/r/MensRights14/02/18 02:35 AM
2

They couldn’t wrap their empty heads around why someone would just bail on “society” like that. Lol show them r/vagabond and their heads will explode. Pampered thots could never understand what it's like living without Facebook, let alone electricity.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 12:50 AM
9

Wow. Never thought I'd miss the Inquisition.
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 12:41 AM
4

Want to know what I see? Cunt. Not worth wasting my brain power to classify them. All cunts are equally cunty. Equality, am I right?
/r/MGTOW14/02/18 12:35 AM
2

I'm gonna let you guys on a little secret from the art world. Want to know why modern artists act crazy? Artists in the past worked with toxic paint. Paint back then (and still today) had heavy metals like mercury, lead, cadmium, ect. Literally your body can't expel heavy metals without modern medicine. Mercury fucks with your brain bad. To an outsider, they noticed the best painters had the most mental problems, so they logically equated the two. So over time what artists created became less im…
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 11:18 PM
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I can see why the promotional girls are pissed. They get money basically for their genetics. How easy can that be? What could be more "empowering" than having a legion of men worshipping you and gawking at everything thing you do? Honestly I have mixed feelings about this. It would be nice if people didn't get a life on easy mode just because of they way they look, but I also know that this can't be corrected artificially in a top down way (or can it?). There is something deeply ingrained and an…
/r/MensRights13/02/18 10:01 PM
5

Just virtue signaling. I wouldn't take it too seriously. Women say things they don't mean. Who'd of thunk?
/r/MensRights13/02/18 08:44 PM
1

One of the key takeaways though, is that just because a guy didn't have kids... Doesn't mean he didn't have SEX. This is awesome. This never occurred to me. Now it all makes more sense. On a side note, I remember a study about that penis scooping thing where they had researchers actually measure the amount of semen it cleans out. I think it was like 60℅? I remember it was surprisingly high. Wow. Think how awkward that would have been to be participating in that study. Lol!
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 07:17 PM
1

That all makes sense. I like it, especially this This also allows the genetic competition to STILL happen, except now it's on a sperm level and NOT resulting in in-group violence that could negatively effect the entire group I know we don't need to forcefully kill off our competitors in order for sexual selection and inequality to take place. I imagine status is a sort of selection process itself. We have status symbols that tend to do the dirty work for us (money, car, job). I remember reading …
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 06:55 PM
4

The wall comith early. Probably why she got pregnant, hoping to baby trap a Chad.
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 06:30 PM
3

Trying to censor the outrage makes it seem like it's not so bad and normal, which will incline others to be more receptive to the idea.
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 06:28 PM
14

only 25℅? That's the real shocker.
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 06:19 PM
5

Not saying this is morally right but sounds to me to just be inter-gender competition. Men compete amongst themselves and establish some kind of pecking order. Since it's relative status between members, some males find it easier to push others down rather than rise above them. I think Lao Tzu talks about this - "when beauty is known as the beautiful, there arises ugliness". For value to exist, it requires a contrast or comparison to something not valuable. The friend decided to devalue his comp…
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 06:07 PM
1

Now, I don't even think that there was a "Chad/Beta" split back then. If you weren't "Chad" you would just be killed off by nature. Everything else makes sense but this. Sexual selection depends on inequality between it's members. Certainly, given natural inequality, there would have been a few more fit men relative to other less able men. Perhaps the gap between Chad's and beta's was smaller, but still there. Biologically speaking, we have also been almost unchanged for tens of thousands of yea…
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 05:45 PM
1

He doesn't look like Chad to me.
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 06:57 AM
2

...Wow. How do we explain that one?
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 06:41 AM
5

You'd think women would have more responsibility with these things - knowing a guy is madly attached to you and just drop him like a rock without any concern for his well being, and yeah, we should have some kind of responsibility to look after the person. But I digress... humanity shuns compassion. She will break him. There is nothing you can do. It will have to run its course. When it does, be there for him. That's what he will remember going forward and give him some tiny sliver of hope for a…
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 06:25 AM
5

Don't get me wrong - I love the manipulated man a hell of alot, and you should read it, but I always have the ancient Greek philosophers on thumb. They tell you about female nature in a way that will keep you busy for a looping time, and they tell you other good advice about how one should live.
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 03:12 AM
1

Idk she looked pretty trashy to me. If she was about 8 notches hotter it might have gone differently. PPD I guess, though she looks more on the manly side.
/r/PussyPassDenied13/02/18 02:42 AM
4

Yep. But they are all "patriarchal" and we should ignore them /s
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 02:35 AM
0

Lmao! I'm trolling the fuck out of you. Who's really triggered here? 😂
/r/PussyPassDenied13/02/18 01:07 AM
1

Lmao "invasion of privacy" and "this has to be illegal". And here we have witnessed firsthand in real time, using a controlled experiment, in a short duration, the genesis of #metoo in much the same way a nature documentary will focus a camera on a growing, unfolding flower for days at a time so we can see in moments what our perception misses when an event takes longer.
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 12:47 AM
1

Either way I'm miserable The worst feeling is being with someone and feeling alone. I've noticed that me and other people that get lonely have this sort of as a personality trait, rather than just something brought up by circumstances. So logically speaking you got to deal with your own PLUS another person's problems, isolation is still the lesser evil here. Does that make sense? Loneliness as a innate personality trait? Just like introversion or agreeableness?
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 12:28 AM
3

She drew on a cat face.. Wow how... Classy and mature
/r/MGTOW13/02/18 12:17 AM
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Oh looks like we found one. Your all the same. What was that? You go on about "feelings" but did anyone care about OP's feelings when they all ganged up on him? Nope. Did anyone think "he just blurted out something stupid and we should let it go?" Hell no. They made an example of him. You only care about feelings when it's about you. Welcome to pussy pass denied. If you want to be coddled and have a legion of white knight cucks go back to r/feminism where you belong. You have no right to not be …
/r/PussyPassDenied12/02/18 11:26 PM
1

Most guys on MGTOW don't seem to care about this kind of stuff [...] When I look at these things, and how everything has a structure to it, with seemingly separate parts corresponding to a larger whole - what are we in the face of such titanic forces? I think some MGTOW know this. We can't change the system, and knowledge of such things only becomes a burden to living a happy life. I'm a poor man who has little means - why should we care? It's time we had a little humility and recognize that we …
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 09:48 PM
3

it's not natural for a man to sit back and let the women do all the work Ah. Using biological determinism only when it suits them. Gee. Imagine that.
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 09:21 PM
3

I'm still kinda on the fence with this. As much as I hate to say it, I sorta get at what TRP guys are trying to say, but I also see it's criticisms. I know of things like the halo effect and how appearance will bias people to look at attractive people as morally better. Just because someone is attractive, doesn't necessarily mean they get away with everything, but they get away with much more. I'd imagine sex with Alphas also decreases the likelihood of post effects like regret just based on thi…
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 08:13 PM
1

Serously though does this actually happened as much as people say? I was never nagged once about kids. It was always that I had a dead end job or that my major was bullshit - all career or school related.
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 11:22 AM
2

I think that's it's entirely irrelevant whether it's a "legitimate perspective" or not. That's fair. I was just trying to point out that the philosophy behind what we call today "conservatism" has a very old and incredibly sophisticated epistemology behind it. I was appealing to a very specific "left" leaning audience that might be unfamiliar with that.
/r/MensRights12/02/18 09:16 AM
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Of course. School is pretty much designed around the dispositions of girls - it's a social environment with a clear social hierarchy, that requires a knowledge of subtle social cues. Boys in general have a hard time navigating that. I was a lot like you, I totally rejected the really superficial bull shit of school culture. I remember being in the principle's office so much that we actually got to know each other really well and just kinda hung out. One year I think I was expelled more than I wa…
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 09:03 AM
7

What's honestly better in life than to go home, drink a beer or your choice liquor, kick up your feet and listen to music or watch hbo or enjoy the nature outside. It's like the Ecclesiastes "eat, drink, and be merry". But my complaint is that this philosophy rather starts at the end point. It's kinda just stating the obvious.
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 07:58 AM
3

Sorry for my ignorance but what is "social skills"? I'm a older dude here. When I was in elementary and middle school they just had "special education". That's basically what I was thrown in.
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 07:49 AM
14

I like how this chick doesn't even know the answer to her own shit test she created and has to ask random people on the internet. Wow.
/r/PussyPassDenied12/02/18 07:28 AM
2

Did Japan really have feminism that caused this or did they just translate a feudalistic society into the corporate structure? Aren't salarymen basically just modern peasants? sounds like it could be applied to the U.S. and other Western countries too. Looking at the wealth distribution, it basically mimics how polarized feudal society was, I.e., a few that had all the wealth with the fledgling starving majority and nothing much in-between the spectrum.
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 07:16 AM
1

that wasn’t instigated Ugh getting hit and kicked literally like 20 times should count as instigation right?
/r/PussyPassDenied12/02/18 03:53 AM
2

Does anyone know what i could do or say to make this better or should i just live out the rest of my year not talking to these people? Well welcome to female entitlement and double standards. Food and drinks are to your left. Shit tests are to your right. Why the fuck are you so worried about what they think about you? You didn't do anything wrong. It's called preference. Believe it or not, scientific studies based on dating site data show women have higher standards for men, than men have for w…
/r/PussyPassDenied12/02/18 03:34 AM
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The only issue is now he's self-esteem and self-respect is so low he thinks he's lucky to have the attentions of this single mother. This. Having too little self esteem is probably worse than having a huge inflated ego for this reason. We call them cucks and all kinds of names, but really what if alot of them are just suffering low self worth brought by women to begin with?
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 03:16 AM
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I agree, but there is a saying in Japan that sorta translates - "it's impossible to describe the taste of something to someone who has never tried it". Just frustrating to convince someone of something if it's so far removed from their perception. By the time they do get to swallow that pill and listen to us, they are already fucked by then. Some guys do get lucky and those little doses they swallow give them enough taste of female nature to listen to us, but they are so rare and far between to …
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 03:09 AM
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Peterson has been getting a ridiculous amount of negative attention lately. No academic should be treated that badly. But he's right - there's really no conservatives in academia and the very few that are get pretty ostracized. Conservatism, whether we like it or not, is a legitimate perspective and should warrant respect, not slander. It's ancient, as old as civilization I imagine.
/r/MensRights12/02/18 02:53 AM
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I think ancient people knew what was up with women. "Mother nature" bit. Or the Socratic "if men and woman are made equal, woman will be his superior". I just think we as a species suffer from amnesia and forget things if it's not 20 seconds in the past.
/r/MGTOW12/02/18 12:46 AM
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I think we all know that. But for the sake of conversation, it is the responsibility of the creators of theses products to take any "unintended messages" into account before they release a product or advertisement. There is a very sophisticated hard science behind marketing and packaging, and it makes me really wonder if they did know what they were doing here.
/r/MensRights11/02/18 11:54 PM
1

When a women demands to give her your seat, do you do it? Ha. Never had this happen. Like Sun Tzu says - "stop a conflict before it arises". Women are too afraid to approach me period by how I dress and my demeanor. Problem solved
/r/PussyPassDenied11/02/18 11:35 PM
5

Women believe they created us. Holy shit you're right. Talk about cognitive dissonance! It's well known in evolutionary theory that women are responsible for shaping men through female preference. Maybe they see this subconsciously but refuse to acknowledge it? That would make their whole victim narrative crumble.
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 11:15 PM
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Exactly. I tend to think "karma" was more allegorical in nature, kinda like "pissing in the same pool you drink from", not necessarily "bad happens to bad people" - we just interpret it to be that way now. In other words, it effects society as a whole over time and not necessarily that individual commiting the act.
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 11:08 PM
2

My rage is more academic [...] Yeah same here. A fuck ton of Political science/philosophy courses pretty much guided my early red pill rage and made me more skeptical with modern dating norms to begin with.
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 10:51 PM
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We had plans to spend the entire day together and I was hoping the night too because she was smoking hot. Full stop. This was all we needed to know. ANY chick with a high SMV is going to be a narcissistic entitled cunt. Period. Probing her for sex pretty much just further enabled her to try to use her sex appeal as leverage to extract your resources. Cunts sense these things. I call it the "cunt cucked-a-vision".
/r/PussyPassDenied11/02/18 09:22 PM
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Remember, it's the most perverted that are pushing puritanism while simultaneously pushing public sex. It's about power. Yep. Probably because feminist literature explicitly equates sex with power. You won't ever find any hint of sex with love.
/r/MensRights11/02/18 08:58 PM
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They are marketing to women, which means there must already be a demand for it. So technically, kinda.
/r/MensRights11/02/18 08:51 PM
1

Yeah and then guess what? If you do have a family, your still fucking nagged at. "Why did you go buy this when you have a growing child and mother to support!!!" My favorite was always "why did you buy this? You should be buying diapers!!" As a single father, not only do I get all this nagging, but the nagging always has the potential to turn into something worse by having a government agency step in. So this is my lesson. Your never going to hear the end of nagging. But at least be nagged and f…
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 08:46 PM
3

What if you thought you were having safe sex, but your partner sabotaged the condom, or was lying about being on the pill? Yep. Happened to me. Shame on me I guess for trusting my fiancee.
/r/MensRights11/02/18 11:21 AM
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... and she also "chose" to have unprotected sex with the guy, but lets not say that and let's all blame the man for getting her pregnant like she's some sort of helpless victim. "Too bad, should have worn a condom". So why is it solely the responsibility of the guy to prevent pregnancy? Oh right. Women are just helpless victims of male sexuality incapable of any kind of agency.
/r/MensRights11/02/18 11:08 AM
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Quite a stretch. And how often does that happen statistically in first world countries? 2% maybe? Hardly "consequences", and that's only if they go through with childbirth. If they are at some sort of risk, abortion is always viable assuming there is a dangerous pregnancy.
/r/MensRights11/02/18 10:51 AM
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Yeah, r/philosophy is just as bad. They require a thesis, supporting statements, blah blah and so on. It's philosophy. Everything is up for grabs, even the formats and expression of ideas themselves. Philosophy started off as just dudes "walking and talking", as they called it. It was very much a movement that grew up in the streets. By creating all these rules and making it uber academic, we risk making it into a strict elitist endeavor, which historically doesn't go to well.
/r/MensRights11/02/18 10:37 AM
4

2600 up votes? Oh god here comes the virtue signaling brigadiers from r/all...
/r/MensRights11/02/18 10:26 AM
1

Holy crap dude you gave an encyclopedia. I would go all out and cite stuff but people just either don't read it or they misconstrue things anyway.
/r/MensRights11/02/18 10:20 AM
14

Holy fuck they have gaming phones?! How good are they? Too bad most mobile games suck balls. Not sure I'd want to invest the money just to play some crappy free to play game.
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 10:03 AM
13

Fuck yeah. This is basically the MGTOW manifesto of awesome.
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 07:53 AM
2

It's a bit of a false equivalency here, don't you think? Are all biological "impulses" equal? I would wager the vast majority of humans have a drive to reproduce, while only a small fraction actually want to murder their boss. Sex is kinda required to sustain the species, and biology obviously prioritizes this. If it didn't, we wouldn't be here arguing.
/r/MensRights11/02/18 07:33 AM
1

Oh no no no. Not this refutation through predication nonsense. You think by breaking the subject into two parts the criticism just goes away. Either way of looking at it it's still an attempt to curve the expression of ideas, ones just more blunt and direct, the other more pragmatic and indirect. This is like "glass half full/empty" stuff. Whether we draw in the positive or negative space the object is still rendered.
/r/MensRights11/02/18 05:44 AM
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Wow ad hominem. Nice. Lmao just look through my history. I'm a MGTOW guy in monk mode. Care to try again?
/r/MensRights11/02/18 04:48 AM
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Yeah I get what your saying, but it's an idealism to expect that for the whole population. It's never ever worked in practice. Basically what your arguing is along the same lines as "there is a difference between an is and an ought", "biology isn't destiny", ect. But this philosophy discourages realistic scientific approaches to understanding human nature because in order to hold humans up to some imaginary unobtainable standard, people tend to sweep valid science under the rug and pretend it do…
/r/MensRights11/02/18 04:44 AM
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You can get so much more enjoyment from life than random messages to random images who barely have an intelligent thought to contribute. The best advice I heard on here was "if this person was a guy, would you still be talking to them?"
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 03:03 AM
7

It's because you were honest. You broke their algorithms. They didn't know what to do with that.
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 03:00 AM
9

Yawn. If your going to troll please be more creative then pulling from a pile of prefabricated stalk arguments.
/r/MensRights11/02/18 02:45 AM
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And this is why the easiest thing we can do to help rights is to not have sex if you can’t deal with all of the risk. ... And how practical is that? All through history societies have tried sexual repression and they always fail. Nature always finds a way, especially when it's something as ancient and primal as the sex drive.
/r/MensRights11/02/18 02:39 AM
3

True. Seems to be two things you really can't reconcile - religion or politics. Yeah a lot of guys aren't religious or political in nature so when those topics come up, we kinda shrug it off and ignore it. But sadly yeah, these tend to be the underlying things that people base the rest of their life off of, so naturally we can assume that if some premise of how the world works isn't shared, anything else that depends on that will also be in conflict.
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 02:22 AM
3

Yep. I know this well. Fucking hypocritical of women. They screech about how "hard" it is getting whistled at or asked for their fucking number. "Oh the trauma!" "You men just don't understand!". Ok bitch think about how hard it is being seen as some creepy stalker guy, for literally doing nothing out of the ordinary, but just being judged on a "vibe" you give off. Don't see anyone coming to defend me. Fuck women and their double standards.
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 01:56 AM
3

I remember in China when they started killing or adopting out girls because boys were more desirable. I wonder when this will start happening in the U.S. to boys? If boys are just "potential rapists" anyway, why not just drown them? I mean, if they really mean what they say and aren't just virtue signaling, just fucking shoot us already. At least give us the dignity of a quick death, rather then the shame and humiliation that kills us slowly, all while we work our asses off for them. Fuck even a…
/r/MGTOW11/02/18 01:48 AM
4

...my thing was going after them over how they were constantly lying about what was on the poster and actually engaging them based on the content rather than trying to argue with them about what was and wasn't said. They use this trick that I'm going to call "refutation through predication". It has to do with avoiding concrete descriptions of things by re-categorizing it based on a different level of generalization. For example, they may say "your not talking about feminism, but a offshoot of fe…
/r/MensRights11/02/18 12:14 AM
2

This needs to be the top comment.
/r/MensRights10/02/18 11:14 PM
2

So men are either compliant amicable pet like buffoons who jump through hoops to please women like performing monkeys in order to propagate the species or sexist, women hating , controlling predators who need to be eliminated, prosecuted or silenced. What a powerful sentence. It is true - we have to completely comply with the rules/norms given or we face terrible consequences. It's very polarizing, without much room for degrees.
/r/MensRights10/02/18 10:57 PM
3

Happens to me all the time. Just yesterday, actually. It's a what came first, chicken or egg question. I go through these experiences on a sometimes weekly basis and this sub just points out the obvious to me.
/r/MGTOW10/02/18 09:30 PM
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Not everyone can modify their personality like that, from two extremes. I'm a "nice guy" and would rather keep my personality intact and be alone, rather than change my behavior and values to suit a woman just to be with one.
/r/MGTOW10/02/18 09:01 PM
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it’s your responsibility to know what’s going on. Exactly. We also have a duty to ourselves and/or any other person that is effected by our relationship (like our children). People always look at it one sided - that it's the man's duty to respect the woman's privacy. Bottom line is, her actions can have profound consequences. We have to know what's going on.
/r/MGTOW10/02/18 08:53 PM
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This is so true. Even post wall women who snatch a beta bucks don't really appreciate them, it's more like a tactical move on their part.
/r/MGTOW10/02/18 08:44 PM
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I think closure is underated honestly. It's those faint "what ifs" that drive people crazy, rather than the actual event most of the time. Remember a part in The Time Machine where the protagonist is lamenting over the murder of his beloved Emma. He asks the question "who's fault was it?" Was it the guy who killed her? Was it me for taking her to a park at night? Was it the man who introduced me to her? It seems like we have this drive as a species to grasp at causality. We deeply want to know w…
/r/MGTOW10/02/18 08:32 PM
1

You mean she locks her phone? Why? That sounds suspicious as fuck.
/r/MGTOW10/02/18 08:20 PM
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even now looking back, the most depressing and painful things i've gone through in my life, was over women. So true. From homelessness to jail to getting the shit kicked out of me, it's always that loss over that one woman that hurts the most. Physical pain is nothing. I'm totally convinced women are incapable of feeling this level of suffering because they are incapable of any kind of attachment. It's stupid. I slept outside in winter on some bench in a park and all I could think about was her.…
/r/MGTOW10/02/18 10:31 AM
3

So I've been here a little while and I'm still confused about this whole soy thing. Is soy bad? I'm a health nut but it's kinda hard to keep up with all the changing information. I think the food pyramid changed twice in my highschool years alone.
/r/MGTOW10/02/18 09:32 AM
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It's still tone policing either way.
/r/MensRights10/02/18 05:57 AM
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It's not a modern communistic idea by any means. The quote is of Pythagorean origin, and I know Heraclitus refers to balance too in this way. We think now Egypt really had two religions - one for the masses and one for the learned nobility, or "initiates". The more profound mathematical idea of balance comes from the advanced priesthood communicating with themselves, while that other idea of justice as "getting what is owed" is probably a control mechanism for the unlearned poor population.
/r/MGTOW09/02/18 07:23 PM
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Its guiding spirit should be the famous, blindfolded figure of Justice that stands on top the Old Bailey, reflecting the ideal that we’re all equal before the law. Except that's probably not what Justice represents at all. It's more likely a mathematical notion of the inherent "balance" in nature, "for something to increase, something else must decrease", which is shown in the following: The feminist lobby likes to talk grandly about gender equality, but the reality is that in this focus on wome…
/r/MGTOW09/02/18 10:39 AM
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Though reminds me of a warning from Euripides You will all be routed, shamefully defeated, when the women's wands of ivy turn back your shields of bronze I wonder what allegorical meaning this has? What was Euripides trying to say to us? Maybe that the passive female manipulation outmaneuvers the direct action taken by men?
/r/MGTOW09/02/18 05:59 AM
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"with much wisdom comes much sorrow". I don't feel very liberated. Maybe I'm doing it all wrong.
/r/MGTOW09/02/18 05:04 AM
1

Very interesting. That mathematical formula behind the 80/20 rule was originally applied to economics. So interesting we see this distribution on so many levels all at once.
/r/MGTOW09/02/18 04:52 AM
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The simple fact is that feminists created a culture of sex without consequences and now they're complaining that some men out there bought into the same idea. This is spot on. There is a lot of depth here.
/r/MGTOW09/02/18 04:30 AM
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"all by design". But I wonder who, or what is at the helm? Is it some impersonal force like evolution?
/r/MensRights09/02/18 12:45 AM
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Wow this was really well written. Very insightful and full of emotion, a rare combination. Would you ever consider writing these things down into a book? Some people think when they die all of themselves is lost if they don't have children. But aren't ideas passed down through generations, impregnating the minds of so many other people? Who would want to have lousy human children in this case?
/r/MGTOW09/02/18 12:35 AM
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Yeah. I live in a tent now. I got tired of working 8-10 hour days, all for what? I cite Ecclesiastes alot As everyone comes, so they depart, and what do they gain, since they toil for the wind? All their days they eat in darkness, with great frustration, affliction and anger.
/r/MGTOW09/02/18 12:21 AM
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The system is always weighted in favour of the accused. That's because on the other side you have the weight of an entire nation state, billions to trillions of dollars in resources, tens of thousands of lawyers and prosecutors and police and forensics, all which could be brought against an accused person. If it wasn't, a mere mortal would not stand a chance, and people would be railroaded into jail at a prosecutor waving their finger. Dead on here.
/r/MensRights08/02/18 11:41 PM
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Are you searching for truth, or only trying to know the opinions of others? One is philosophy, the other is sophism.
/r/MensRights08/02/18 09:21 PM
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Let's just say ugly Ferraris are easier to get.
/r/MGTOW08/02/18 09:06 PM
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the notion that all skyscrapers are phallic symbols of the patriarchy The irony is that this is a Freudian notion - whom most feminists have rejected on grounds of the whole "penis envy" thing. If they bothered to actually read about architectural history, you learn that most building designs in history typically had some kind of Utilitarian function first, then symbolic elements were dripped in when that original function was no longer needed.
/r/MensRights08/02/18 07:41 PM
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It's funny how we say women are bad at math, but they can run and hold very complex calculations in their head. To be able to evaluate an entire life and abstract it into a "value", meanwhile comparing it to some other abstract value - requires great mental gymnastics.
/r/MGTOW08/02/18 10:48 AM
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limited social contract Huh. It kinda hit me. This whole thread is talking about a sort of contract between a man and women for sexual access. This is pretty much the same form as the social contract - but between an individual and society for access to societies benefits. They are like fractals of each other.
/r/MGTOW08/02/18 10:41 AM
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Yep the "MGTOW paradox". Gets women's attention because it goes against the grain of the thirsty males, ironically standing out from the crowd.
/r/MGTOW08/02/18 10:30 AM
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In the West? Just finished Final Fantasy xiii and man were they shoving this feminist garbage down my throat. Does this reflect the culture of Japan? I hope not.
/r/MGTOW08/02/18 10:23 AM
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Not only did his professor fail to explore alternative views, but Hughes said his professor also ridiculed students who held dissenting viewpoints and suggested that they were evil, citing an in-class debate the professor facilitated on whether biological sex differences exist. Same thing happened with me. Took a general feminist class, and challenged the idea that women historically held no "control". I brought a number of passages from Darwin's Descent of Man, as well as some ancient religious…
/r/MensRights08/02/18 10:05 AM
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Idk. Video games aren't doing it for me anymore. I've lately been able to notice how our current culture bleeds through (with microtansactions, female protagonists pushing a feminist agenda, for example), so not even games are safe. Games have to have designers behind them, and they have their own agendas.
/r/MGTOW08/02/18 09:45 AM
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Those rules governing sexual deviancy are built on female preference in sexual selection. It's half the equation of how evolution works. "Man-made" (pun intended) regulations are but a extension of sexual selection, perhaps to select for intelligence rather than brute force.
/r/MGTOW08/02/18 09:24 AM
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Today's topic in psych class was the mere exposure effect. For those that don't know, it basically says that the longer you spend around someone, the more likely you are to be attracted to them, either platonically or romantically Kinda like how typically you try to find mates that share similar characteristics to your parents/siblings. I've always wondered how this pairs up with other ideas of how beauty works, like reaction to the environment?
/r/MGTOW07/02/18 06:57 AM
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Something most women especially those in their prime never think about. Oh, sure in public they'll say they worry about rejecting a guy and hurting his feelings but in practice most guys can attest to the fact that women rarely trouble themselves over worrying about the guy's feelings when they ghost him, tell him to fuck off, or accuse him of stalking her. Exactly. Can't emphasize this enough. I always believed that we have a duty to the well being of those we reject. It's sort of karmic. I kno…
/r/MGTOW07/02/18 06:48 AM
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That is why almost no gender studies majors have any kind of biology classes as a requirement even though it seems obvious to have them. Or they do take the classes and just go through the motions, I noticed. Kinda like how fundamentalist Christians who don't believe in evolution will cherry-pick what they hear and read.
/r/MGTOW04/02/18 07:35 PM
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...then she will emotionally punish him. This to me is a form of coercive manipulation. Yeah. It's like a form of emotional control, as it leaves no bruises or discernable marks, it's impossible to get others to acknowledge it as a legitimate thing.
/r/MGTOW04/02/18 12:19 AM
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Good. Guess now they need to get a real job instead of standing around and being paid for their genetic endowments.
/r/MGTOW03/02/18 08:33 PM
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Those dating advice books should be strait up burned. They are so Machiavellian. But what they never realize is the long term effect that it has on someones character. The best way to explain it is from an interview with Nixon. He explained to the interviewer that he was so used to clawing his way to the top through absolute ruthlessness, that once he actually became president he couldn't just "turn it off". Dating advice books tend to be framed as "do whatever it takes". But they don't plan for…
/r/MGTOW03/02/18 07:48 PM
3

I vote "cumulative cock length taken" should be a new unit of measurement.
/r/MGTOW31/01/18 08:27 PM
3

Where do you see any women? Its just four succubus and a fridge.
/r/MGTOW31/01/18 08:20 PM
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Soooo photo edited. Pretty obvious from the soft circular highlights on her skin and depth of field, to name a few.
/r/MGTOW31/01/18 08:05 PM
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This app should be a standard built in feature for all dating sites. When a women submits a picture, the program automatically renders a non - makeup version for her pic. Same for Facebook, Instagram, ect. This way it will help reduce the levels of attention whoring.
/r/MGTOW31/01/18 07:07 PM
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I have Asperger’s too, I'm 27 now. I understand pretty much everything you really said to me. Other people here probably don't understand, so take the more sarcastic ones with a grain of salt. From not picking up on social cues, to watching people you really care about date around as you watch from afar like some kind of ghost. The worst part is, people like us are fairly rare - so we feel completely alone during all this. I remember going through highschool and college completely dumbfounded ov…
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 04:05 AM
2

Wtf is this in a college dorm?
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 03:06 AM
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Yeah. Cheerleaders are basically meat on a pedestal with a spotlight shined on it, saying - "if you work hard, here is your reward". As we leave school and enter "the real world", you see the same damn shit still - except it's marketed to you in advertising and media.
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 02:57 AM
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Is that a bot account or something?
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 02:34 AM
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Why can't you be as cool as the animalfacts bot?
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 11:58 PM
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I found myself asking the question "If this were an unattractive man, would I still be talking to them?" and usually the answer has been no. Damn. Sounds like you have a good head on that shoulder. Keep it that way. Didn't think at my age I could learn something from younger dudes. Proved me wrong.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 10:44 PM
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This was probably the single most offensive thing I have ever read. Your a fucking legend.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 10:27 PM
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Ya but the silver piggy needs to be about 30 times smaller.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 10:16 PM
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And no trp poster would want other men to suffer like this, why else would you be in support of men's rights but actively cuck other guys? Isn't the point of men's rights to stick up for one another? Exactly. But just because they might be so called "red pilled", they are too narcissistic to actually care about that beta guy. See it all the time. Basically their just meat heads so focused on pussy they can't even see how they fit into the bigger picture. Pathetic.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 09:21 PM
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I went to the lobby in my university to play some pool and this super thot walked in and sat down about a few dozen feet from me. I kept to myself and focused entirely on my game. Her thot friends joined her, and all I could hear from them whispering was "what a creep". "Is he following me?". I was there before she came in, remind you. I mean really? How narcissistic can you be? It's obvious that she thinks the world revolves around her. I never seen her before in my life. Just fucking narcissis…
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 08:08 PM
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Society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in. It's a love for immortality, not through children, but through deeds.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 07:49 PM
2

Maybe a better quote from Buddhism - do your best and leave the outcome to Fate
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 07:38 PM
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2 and a half million views?! Wtf?
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 07:30 PM
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Both parties are winning, don’t see the issue. It depends on which way you draw that "party" line. Don't think that beta guy is "winning".
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 07:00 PM
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She’s not even that happy to be there, just stares around the place comparing herself and her gifts to the other thots nearby. Measuring the "SMV to gift ratio". Yep.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 06:51 PM
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All this really is, is just a status check for them to see how you stack up in comparison to those other thots man slaves. I call it a hamster check and balance system, where she examines around her the SMV of other men and directly compares that with the gift the other thots are getting. Then she takes all of those calculations, adds it up to what I'll call a "expected SMV to gift ratio", and uses that as a general estimate on how well you performed in this little reciprocity game. And we say t…
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 06:49 PM
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I see women (so they say) on this sub every once in a while. My theory it has to do with the "MGTOW paradox" - that renouncing female companionship actually attracts more females. They think its a sign of strength or something. I have a suspicion that makes up quite a few of these detractors, but I have no evidence.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 05:09 PM
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Idk she doesn't look that ugly to me. Ive dated way worse looking cunts in blue pill days. But then again, I look like Shrek so it must be a SMV relativism thing.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 05:03 PM
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Going mgtow doesnt guarantee happiness or mental stability Couldn't agree more. It's kinda like choosing the lesser evil in a evil world.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 04:49 PM
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Was thinking it was something like that. Been a number of years so decided to keep it "vague". My bad.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 04:34 PM
1

Reminds me of study done in linguistics awhile ago. They looked at word use frequency in a person's "base vocabulary" and compared it to something like "potential vocabulary". They found that we have the capacity to store thousands of words, but only use (or need) a few hundred to facilitate effective communication. So that was taken to mean that the majority of language is a sort of intelligence display to attract sex. They then branched this conclusion into art - poetry being the most obvious …
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 04:27 PM
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One of these simps FB messaged her professing his love to her. She rejects him, and he responds asking why and how he must've misinterpreted her signals. He didn't say anything rude, he was just being direct about his feelings. No name calling or saltiness on his part. What does she do? Screenshots it, puts it on Snapchat, and captions it with something along the lines of, "look at this misogyny I always have to deal with." ... And you put your dick in that creature? Usually when I see a soulles…
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 07:31 AM
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Okay makes sense. But is all pain equal? Isn't there two classes of pain? Existential pain, which only more intelligent humans feel, and bodily pain, that women and animals typically feel. Who cares about some stimulus - response machinery type thing from a woman. Existential pain is soul crushing.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 07:16 AM
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Wow irony. Feminists always complained that housework was "unpaid labour", and therefore brings value comparable to an income. Soooo when divorce happens they overlook the woman's "contribution" and only look at the wage incomes... Wooow. Just dawned on me. That's a smart dude.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 07:08 AM
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Don't feel sorry for them. Do you feel sorry for a t.v., computer, or any other piece of machinery that acts solely on programming?
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 06:59 AM
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If she suddenly hit you up after a year that means that the guy she was fucking dumped her now you were her second/third/fourth choice. Sound wisdom.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 06:49 AM
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Hybristophilia is a term used by criminologists - but not scientists - to describe a sexual attraction to violent killers in prison, who often receive racy love letters or sexy undergarments from their fans. Also known as the "Bonnie and Clyde syndrome", it has existed throughout time and across borders. ... So your telling me... Women are biologically inclined to be attracted to total psychopaths. And this is news... how?
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 06:38 AM
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Women are freely commenting in it with the same bluepilled heroin " Personality is key! Confidence is everything!" No wonder men nowadays are such fucking SIMPS. Remember those types of things being called "stock arguments" - basically just pulling out prefabricated fortune cookie sayings from a cultural stockpile. How insightful. Eh I think a lot of it is just simple white knighting if there are, in fact, a lot of women on the site. Trying to make a show for any that may take an interest. Tryin…
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 06:22 AM
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Fuck yeah. Plato. Don't forget what happens to the enlightened philosopher when he goes back to free the slaves. He gets killed. Translation: Simps will be simps. Not our problem
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 06:10 AM
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When I was 17 I started dating a girl, lets call her Jennifer, who I was extremely attracted to. Looks wise she was my type... Didn't have to read much to get what's going on here. She's a young attractive chick in her prime surrounded by guys. Period. There is literally nothing you can do to make it out of something like that in one piece. A lot of us have been there. Trust us. I know your racking your brain figuring out what the hell went wrong, based on your detailed description here. Stop. T…
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 04:01 AM
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Eh I would say it's closer to 100℅. Your either buying shit to get a cunt, or buying shit to keep a cunt.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 03:38 AM
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Yeah. And the trends over time too. Men gotta be more and more stacked over time. Just biology I guess. In societies where they have plenty, skinny is hot. In societies that are poorer, heavier is better. Status thing. And we all know how much women get wet over status.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 03:31 AM
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This is interesting. Anything more? Reminds me of "the shock doctrine".
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 03:28 AM
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What is it with these cunts lately? They all are acting so paranoid. How narcissistic can you be to think your even worth "sexually assaulting" in the first place? Think about it..
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 03:12 AM
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Well when you can't resist the urge to stare at her vagina popping out and she screams out creep, don't expect us to fend you off from the hordes of white knights that will follow.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 01:23 AM
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No thanks. Been pepper sprayed once already.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 01:17 AM
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See this is why we need a glossary of terms in the sidebar. The vocabulary that people come up with here need to be preserved.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 01:16 AM
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Nah. This is just her trying to stand out more from the other profiles. Probably a trick she read on Facebook in her shit feed. The cock caracal must be slowin down for her - gotta keep it spinnin!
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 11:28 PM
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Ah. Judging by your username and comment, looks like you wondered in the wrong sub. I think your looking for r/theredpill
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 11:21 PM
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Idk. Women in charge of defense might not be so bad. I mean, they have had the most success than anyone else destroying mens lives.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 10:24 PM
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What do they think they are doing? By making men less manly they are making men less attractive for themselves. "Where have all the good men gone?" Lol
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 10:18 PM
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I'm giving 0 fucks today so why not. These types of feminists aren't the ones brigading or making splashes where it matters - It's the opposite. It's the super thots that went to a ivy league school with mommy and daddy's money while getting banged as a cheerleader from every Chad that came running to her. 4 years of that in highschool and the insane ego drive from the attention of beta cucks hanging on to every word she says in desperation to fuck her PLUS the validations of teachers and Chad d…
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 10:06 PM
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The worst part of carrots on a stick is that when you do finally get to eat it, you find you don't like vegetables to begin with.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 08:57 PM
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Couldn't find who the author is, but he wrote a essay that was on r/mensrights They are unaware that men deal with sexism too. Most women haven’t been turned down for a date because they were unemployed, broke, or living in their mom’s basement. Men are expected to be the initiator when asking a woman out. If a man does go on a date he’s expected to pay the expenses. Essentially men are expected to carry the load during a courtship. Once a man is married he is expected to generate the lion’s sha…
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 08:54 PM
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Can confirm. Ex was always snapping pics of herself to upload for her "friends" on various social media platforms. This bitch was about a 5 - 6 on a good day. Whatever reason saw on her laptop about (no joke) 300 pictures of herself in a folder, and like 5 in another she called "keepers". These super Photoshoped images made her look about a solid 8. The only thought in my mind was "poor guys don't really know how ugly she is"
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 08:25 PM
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I hope he's tenured. Damn SJWs are the worst in that place. No doubt the girls in the class are going to whine about that to the administration and get everyone worked up over facts.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 08:12 PM
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Not surprised. Hard to tell from the camera angel, but the bide looks about around a 8ish. He's about a 5 or worse. He's just grateful at this point. Dudes need to have more self respect than this.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 07:55 PM
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I hate to be a dick here, but I mean wearing short shorts to where her ass cheeks are basically sticking out, and then feeling nervous about a guy sitting next to her...
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 07:25 PM
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A women knows within a matter of seconds if she will nail you or not. Past that mark, your a beta cuck. Science studies confirm this. Serously we need a new sub r/MGTOW-the science of attraction
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 06:58 PM
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Yeah been there before. I call that "mental cuckoldry" - as she goes into detail of her sex life right in front of you. How degrading.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 06:50 PM
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Exactly. These women aren't stupid by any degree. They perfected very subtle types of manipulation. Idk if it's doing us any good in the long run to be only looking at the most stupidest examples of female phycology. We make fun of the cam models and the blue haired feminist all the time. But they don't have any power. It's the female lawyers, professors, and business owners that we should really be critical of.. Idk. Rant over.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 05:13 PM
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happiness is a constantly changing idea. Or they just aren't satisfied. It's a human thing I think. In Buddhism Agni is "fire" but also can mean suffering. It's like suffering spreads to others, and we can't put it out within ourselves and grows. Or something. Idk I fell asleep during that lesson. Yeah so it's really lusting after more on top of the changing thing. Yeah something like that.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 07:38 AM
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Jeez these devs are so freaking young. What, they studied game design in the womb? Or maybe I'm just getting too damn old.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 07:24 AM
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I see women get pity all the time. My blue pill days I didn't have a car and walked everywhere. (I was in the country, so no public transportation). Did that for years. Maybe in 15 years got offered a ride maybe 10 times, walking almost everyday out in the middle of nowhere. Anyway met a girl one day who didn't have a car either. She moves in. When she would go to the store, she would get offered a ride every time. "Oppressed" women my ass.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 07:18 AM
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This is more inspirational than the actual post.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 07:07 AM
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I like how art students ignore shit like classical architecture, but this is what they think of as "art". I blame the universities for this weirdo. As a former art student, I sincerely apologise for us.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 07:01 AM
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Really, you just hate the idea that we'd ever figure it out. Because that's how the magic ends. Reminds me of a poem: Nature places her spell on mens minds, like a magician that distracts to conceal her designs. Yeah. Allusions only work when you don't know the mechanics behind it.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 06:39 AM
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I see women like a pet alligator. It's a pretty badass creature to have around in no small part due to the extreme danger it presents. If you drop your guard they will destroy you but if you never falter you can earn its respect, protect yourself and benefit from the (few) things it can offer. Like an alligator... Or I have a better idea. Don't keep a bloodthirsty creature around. Problem solved.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 06:23 AM
3

This isn't a dream. The jig is up. Confess.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 06:13 AM
2

Not gonna lie here.. using this as a opportunity to post your sex conquests seems kinda douchy given the context...
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 06:08 AM
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That's what happens. Im gonna call it the MGTOW paradox - the more you ignore women the more it makes them interested in you. Don't feel bad. Because you're working on yourself, it increases you value to them. They see you aloof, so they think you're strong. GYOW gives men a sense of worth and confidence - the two most surefire ways to attract the attention of a woma... Wait...Your... "crushing" over... another woman? Nevermind. To everyone else: observe the cuck in his natural habitat.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 05:49 AM
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Look into "theory of the leisure class". Part of it is just that - men competing with each other to buy status objects to get laid. It just applied "keeping up with the Chads" to economics. This guy was super red pilled.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 05:26 AM
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Idk call me cynical but I think there's always gonna be a whole lot of thirsty beta's that will be more than eager to replace what little dent we make in women's inflated pussy value. "Nature finds a way" to get people to fuck.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 05:15 AM
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Oh, I have to man up for another girl, because that will mean another man will man up for you? Eh sounds like she's shit testing you. That's a classic example. Don't dwell on it too much.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 05:08 AM
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That was epic.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 05:05 AM
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God that was the worst thing about being a beta - all the freakin chick friends that only talk to you to cry over their Chad that pump and dumped them. My blue pill days I would listen and put up while they go into excruciating detail over their sex life. Like. Serously. It's a form of mental cuckoldry. Beta guys out there just ghost these people for your own sanity.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 04:59 AM
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When insects have more mercy and compassion than our human women.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 04:47 AM
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Haha watched a Peterson vid where he talked about female sexuality. He couldn't stop laughing when he told his class this was the fastest selling book ever.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 04:40 AM
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They are unaware that men deal with sexism too. Most women haven’t been turned down for a date because they were unemployed, broke, or living in their mom’s basement. Men are expected to be the initiator when asking a woman out. If a man does go on a date he’s expected to pay the expenses. Essentially men are expected to carry the load during a courtship. Once a man is married he is expected to generate the lion’s share of household income. I like most men don’t mind these things. But why are (s…
/r/MensRights28/01/18 03:27 AM
1

Wait seriously? Having her parents move in? Is this a common tradition over there?
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 03:08 AM
2

Noooo don't bite it. You don't know where it's been
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 02:53 AM
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She wants a man she find attractive enough to get wet for that can also fulfill basic gender roles. Well she's definitely got her gender role down just fine. Be a freakin bitch.
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 02:37 AM
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Oreo double stuffed. Lol
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 01:45 AM
3

Hey I am thinking about backpacking over there in a few weeks. Looks like the Florida Everglades? Is it all marshy like that everywhere there? Would that be a good place to camp out?
/r/MGTOW28/01/18 12:28 AM
1

Yeah. Can't even watch porn anymore. All I see is a parasite feeding off the affections of her prey. The more men lust for her, the stronger she gets.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 11:28 PM
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Many of the ideas that accompany privilege talk, if implemented, would wreak havoc on human wellbeing. If people truly acknowledged their privilege, they would show a greater concern for the forces behind it, which permit them to lead long, healthy, educated, leisure-filled lives, all the while incessantly complaining about the unadulterated evils of modern civilization. Heraclitus: "If everything went the way you wanted it to go, would you be any happier?" Having the privilege conversation is i…
/r/MensRights27/01/18 11:03 PM
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Saving this for my ammo box. Thank you.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 09:53 PM
2

Good point. My bad.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 09:45 PM
1

I dress not to be bothered by police. That's it really.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 09:03 PM
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In her defense that is sorta how sexual selection works. Men fight each other for women and the female just "picks" the winners after the dust settles. But this would mean woman have... Always been in charge... 🤔
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 08:29 PM
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The only good arguments I've heard were things like: 1) "your judging a whole gender based on a few bad examples, which is exactly what feminists do." Takes a long discussion to be debunked but can be done. 2)"your not encouraging men to go their own way, but just wanted them to be anti-feminist". If you really want to screw with people, you can say that MGTOW philosophy actually works with feminism - MGTOW men don't harass women, don't grope them, don't lust after them. Hey, it's what feminists…
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 07:52 PM
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Is her name pronounced "Satan"? So perfect.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 07:27 PM
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Read that in a British accent.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 07:24 PM
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Then I thought: oh, how about hearing babies screaming all night and having to pay a shitload of things for years just to make them grow and get fucked on this world? No way, that's not what I want for my life. Speaking from experience here, this and more. I remember another single dad telling me - "Think of it as God's punishment on the world for having sex." It's like a 18 year prison sentence, except your out on work release. You literally get less time for attempted murder. Just let that sin…
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 07:10 PM
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Yeah I remember this girl I had the hots for turned me down. And I asked why. Was it because we have different interests? Is it because your not attracted to me? Is it because... Ect. Ect. Nope. Its because I didn't have a car. Small red pill thankfully.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 05:21 PM
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Anyone ever read Euripides's play The Bacchae? No joke this is talked about in ancient Greece. So basically the lateral Super Chad god of all Chads Dionysus gets, with his beauty, all the women to leave their husbands to go into a orgy up in the mountains. These aren't just any orgies - it's no men allowed except the true believers in feminine power (feminism). Long story short, this bad ass king Cadmus, when he hears about the orgies, is all like, "hell ya!" so he pretends to worship Dionysus t…
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 04:56 PM
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There’s an element to TRP that’s just bargaining. If they’re just a little bit more alpha, their individual will absolve them of social problems. Exactly. Back in my athletic days I would hear guys at the gym constantly call their lifting as "insurance policy" - to either get a girl or keep one. I was just thinking to myself: if your slightly more bulky biceps is the sole factor in keeping or getting this chick, then she's gonna leave you after the slightest problem. That whole scheme is just wa…
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 04:16 AM
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Stopped reading at "I have about 3 different fWB's..." I like how she has to ROUND this number. About 3? Like you don't really know? Your guessing?
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 01:46 AM
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I love my mom, but i wasnt raised to be a man. I was raised to cater to women. This fucked with me my entire growing up. The need to feel "loved" and getting ran through for years was just a self destructive cycle. Yeah me too. They call it "single mother syndrome" around here. The good news is, you know it's a thing and not just something to be ignored. Bad news is that it's pretty impossible to fully overcome all those years of indoctrination and programming, but you can make some improvements…
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 01:02 AM
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Haha! Reminds me of that famous story where a biology teacher had her students do a Mendelian inheritance thing with their parents eye color. Basically a lot of blue eyed kids that should have had green or brown eyes, if you get my drift. Haha terrible. In my ethics class this shit is so common, there was an entire chapter dedicated to the debate over whether or not to tell the parent that the kid isn't theirs after some basic tests on heritable diseases.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 12:32 AM
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This is a plea to the true men of red pill who are lost, and just looking for their way. "So let me, an ex-cheerleader who rode the CC with every Chad I could find until I hit the wall and found my beta bucks, show you what love is!" For real?
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 12:14 AM
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If there is such a thing as overdosing on red pills, that is exactly how I felt. Yes. Yes that is a thing. Sometimes you just gotta walk away for awhile for your own sanity. Don't even bother telling the guy. He's 50. She's 30. Do I really even need to say anything else? Younger vagina just scrambles dudes brains. It's gonna take the world's biggest red pill to pull that guy off of her. Just gotta let it run its course.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 10:56 PM
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Larger jawlines supposedly indicate greater bite force, which would have been useful for our ancestors. Don't ya love evolutionary biology?
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 10:38 PM
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Exactly! Even in societies that have polygamy as part of their culture, they typically pair off monogamously. The simple fact is that these cultures tend to be poorer, and practicing polygamy put too much stress on the lower classes.That stereotype of one guy having many partners basically only applied to the higher class, which were fewer in number anyway, so how could that have been a norm?
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 10:35 PM
2

What did they say? Curious
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 08:00 PM
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I always thought it's funny how people will spend years of pain for a few seconds of pleasure.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 06:57 PM
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There is a lot of depth to that question. It's the one the Greek philosopher Heraclitus asks in one if his fragments. Considering the complexity of nature, and how it's built from a tension between two opposing forces, and considering Man tends to never get things right... Would it be any better? Is life just a series of problems that can be "solved"? Or are these problems actually a essential function to the workings of nature? Maybe a better question, if we could get exactly what we wanted, wo…
/r/MensRights26/01/18 06:20 PM
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Let me ask this - if things could go exactly the way you want them, would it turn out any better?
/r/MensRights26/01/18 09:31 AM
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Eh I was "diagnosed" with that. When a routine is interrupted we get batshit nuts. That whole "stoic" stereotype isnt really true.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 08:36 AM
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reddit strangers on the internet seem to make me feel better than any woman I’ve ever talked to You know shits gotten bad in the world when lines of text on a screen written by anonymous dudes who don't know anything about each other give people more understanding and compassion than any women they personally know in real life. Eh who am I kidding they always sucked nothing's changed in the world. Well welcome to the club. That age man is just the worst for women. Between the immaturity and just…
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 08:32 AM
1

So what you really value is health, and water only as much as it contributes to health. Is good health rare or common?
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 04:17 AM
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Good advice. Maybe our brains just can't cope with such a radical new change in communication? It's funny. I read some ancient texts complaining about a lot of the same things that people do now - only these sources are 2500 years old and complain about the shift from oral communication into written form. Edit: just realized how ironic posting this was
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 04:06 AM
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Only when you don't have it, right? When you have water, don't you prefer other things instead?
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 03:43 AM
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Alimony, or spousal support, is intended to mitigate the effects of divorce on the lower-earning spouse. Essentially, alimony payments help the lower-earning party maintain the same standard of living he or she was accustomed to when in the marriage. "The same standard of living". So that's what they're calling it. Interesting.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 03:40 AM
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Glad I'm not the only one here.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 03:06 AM
2

About what you said how the average lifespan was short - actually there was some anthropology study done not too long ago that claimed that we live just as long as we have always, but infant mortality rates were included in some of the research data that skewed the average down. When you take away infant mortality statistics, we live just as long. About that bit with hiding the female period, some other anthropologists were looking at penis sheaths and concluded something similar - this clothing…
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 03:03 AM
1

Lol how is it gonna get more diverse than literal freakin elves, dwarves, humans, and orcs?! Good grief.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 02:39 AM
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Oh shit please don't say that. But I mean they already made the LOTR trilogy and The Hobbit, and Tolkien didn't right anymore books... Right? 😓
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 01:54 AM
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LOL! This is hilarious. Subbed.
/r/MensRights26/01/18 01:35 AM
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That's strange. What class was this in? Maybe it was some strange social science thing, idk without more context.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 01:01 AM
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And they only like you for a reason you'd never be happy about. So true. It's like we can work on things to perfect some part of us, but all that work could be seen as completely irrelevant by someone else, no matter if the person accepts or rejects us.
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 12:32 AM
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I think it's kinda like the grass is greener on the other side type thing. Single guys that haven't really dated or been married yet are constantly bombarded by images of happy, sexy, young couples. With anything, "success stories" stand out the most, and we idolise those things as a good standard. No one steps back and realizes that the whole reason those things are valued to begin with is because they are rare - all value systems work this way. "Philosophize with a hammer to see if idols ring …
/r/MGTOW26/01/18 12:29 AM
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"I've said for many years that all manifestations of male sexuality are gonna be brought under legal control" Source
/r/MensRights25/01/18 07:08 PM
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In addition, as Luke Gittos has written on spiked, the systemic failure ‘is a symptom of a police force that has been told over many years that its job is to facilitate successful prosecutions, rather than investigate objectively’. Did anyone else find that disturbing?
/r/MensRights25/01/18 09:35 AM
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Huh. Peterson was right when he suggested that all forms of male sexuality will be regulated by the state. I chuckled at the time, but I understand his concern more and more.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 09:14 AM
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Why do men have access to more lethal means in the first place? Ask that question.
/r/MensRights25/01/18 09:03 AM
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Reminded me of Ecclesiastes: Whoever loves money never has enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with their income. This too is meaningless. As goods increase, so do those who consume them. And what benefit are they to the owners except to feast their eyes on them? The sleep of a laborer is sweet, whether they eat little or much, but as for the rich, their abundance permits them no sleep. I have seen a grievous evil under the sun: wealth hoarded to the harm of its owners, or wealth los…
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 08:31 AM
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Jokeception
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 08:03 AM
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Wait...being suspended is a thing? I just get banned
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 02:52 AM
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Haha been there a few times. That's why I love it here. I can say what I want and won't get banned, within reason. How petty can someone be to just ban people over the most trivial things? I thought that faction was so concerned about "tolerance" lol.
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 02:50 AM
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Well written! These are the posts I really like to see here. Peterson believes that men who stay at home, single, with no kids to speak of and who play video games all day aren't "really" men, they're "boys." Which raises my main point.... Why haven't people realized that maybe men don't WANT to be providers? I think he's going off of evolutionary evidence. His whole bit with that Cathy debate and lobsters was to show that humans have certain mental systems specifically designed around "status",…
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 01:54 AM
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They’re main argument about being oppressed and looking for empowerment and equality is a bunch of bullshit. In the real world this will never be achievable, there has always been a dominance hierarchy within humans. This is why I dropped out of college. My thesis was that evolution hardwired into humans hierarchial structures, and that the female is what determine these through sexual selection, not the male. Anyway, they laughed me out and I was so pissed I just said fuck college. If they want…
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 01:21 AM
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But he treads that line carefully. He says disagreeable, but tempered by agreeableness. "Otherwise your just a horrible tyrant". Source
/r/MGTOW25/01/18 12:29 AM
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Bitches don't look for men in homeless shelters. They talk a good game about finding love, but most of them are looking for security and Chad seed. True. Been chronically homeless basically forever. The scorn that women (and men. cops. actually everyone really) give you when they pass by. Those looks of disgust. Over and over every day. You feel subhuman, like some kind of animal. Women say they don't judge on looks? I can attest to heaven itself the falseness of that. They judged the most out o…
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 10:49 PM
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They use that artemisia gentileschi painting in their profile. Whoever they are, at least they have good taste.
/r/MensRights24/01/18 09:00 PM
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Look at the use of loaded language in the selection choice: We need mens rights Men aren't oppressed This effectively slants it. Why, for instance, can't men still have representation (or rights) even if they aren't oppressed? This may be an attempt to escape the obvious consequence of framing the first choice in "rights". The opposite of "we need mens rights" would be "we don't need mens rights", and so the designer took a more subtle approach. A better way to frame this would have been - We ne…
/r/MensRights24/01/18 08:09 PM
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BRIFFAULT’S LAW: The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place. I Think that first part is called sexual selection. Men compete with each other and when all the dust settles the women pick the winners as mates. Made me also think back to The Lysis where Plato writes something like - no one will ever love you if you don't have something that benefits them. Funny b…
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 10:32 AM
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Agree as well. It's been noted by researchers that even the definition of sex varies from person to person and age demographics. Surprising they claim that what counts as cheating is agreed on. Im just not on board with that. Source
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 06:47 AM
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One of these groups does not belong 🎶 (sorry couldn't resist)
/r/MensRights24/01/18 04:53 AM
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Don't forget - supplying both arguments/sources and counter arguments/sources and calling it "critical thinking". That's not thinking critically, but just forces a person to pick a side they are most predisposed to go alone with. Also - "do not use anecdotal evidence!" But it holds the burden of proof so high that no one outside of academia can contribute, effectively making many meaningful things a spectator sport. And if my own personal observations are in conflict with what I'm told? It's jus…
/r/MensRights24/01/18 04:42 AM
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That's called "corporate jargon". It's made to make the business sound less douchy. You can't make money by being honest.
/r/MensRights24/01/18 02:46 AM
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The policy under which Doe was investigated was “drafted, approved and authorized almost entirely by women’s groups and women representatives at Yale,” and it never defines groping, the suit claims. It adds that “upon information and belief,” more than 70 percent of the current University-Wide Committee on Sexual Misconduct membership is female. It's funny how feminists complain about the patriarchy and lack of female representation in government that allowed men to rig rules against women, yet …
/r/MensRights24/01/18 02:40 AM
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Yeah the "naturalistic fallacy". Idk. But we do construct our "oughts" from inputs of observing the world around us.
/r/MensRights24/01/18 02:15 AM
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I wonder why marriage coincided with that shift? Why would monogamy benefit only then? It's hard to find material on it. Seems like it's sort of taboo or something.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 01:42 AM
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Don't you see this pattern in all of human history?
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 01:30 AM
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Very accurate. Both schools tend to assume blanket "all" statements. There is no denial of that. This is blunt of me - but as a man, and all things being equal, it's in my best interest to ally myself with a group that fights for a common cause by virtue of that shared quality (being a male). In plain English - the charge of being hypocritical, as was admitted, is common to both; but as a man I stand to benefit more from a group that advances men. More on topic with what your saying - this "all"…
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 01:07 AM
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Yeah same here. Just math it out and think of all the time people spend trying to get laid, and the orgasm only lasts for a few seconds. How much can a few seconds really be worth? I'd rather have those few seconds less concentrated and spread out over my entire day by doing hobby's and things I like to do, rather than sacrifice all those things for those few seconds in bed. Not worth it.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 12:25 AM
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Honestly would love it if hormonal dopamine hits were out on the market. Cut out the middle man even more.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 12:08 AM
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It's a common persuasion technique. It doesn't have to be sincere. "Give us what we want, and then you'll benefit indirectly from the results".
/r/MensRights23/01/18 09:08 PM
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...that men should have an equal right of self-determination regarding the number, timing, and spacing of their children That's a powerful message. Thank you!
/r/MensRights23/01/18 08:56 PM
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the only reason males commit suicide more is because they use more lethal means. That's it. Although her statement is partly true, men supposedly do use more lethal means, that not all there is to it. She trys to paint a picture that it's more or less a product of probability - men just happen to have more guns just laying around than women. But why do men have more lethal means at their disposal in the fist place? The actual literature suggests it has to do with "traditional gender roles". What…
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 08:30 PM
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In political science classes we had opened ended essay questions. The professor gave us practically as much extra time as we needed (hours even). The funny thing is, some students still rushed through it. For the rest of us we used that opportunity to actually take our time and write well composed, meaningful material. This proved to me that giving unlimited time and extra provisions won't matter if the student doesn't care, regardless of the gender.
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 07:18 PM
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First you will come to the Sirens who enchant all who come near them. If any one unwarily draws in too close and hears the singing of the Sirens, his wife and children will never welcome him home again, for they sit in a green field and warble him to death with the sweetness of their song. There is a great heap of dead men's bones lying all around, with the flesh still rotting off them. Therefore pass these Sirens by, and stop your men's ears with wax that none of them may hear; but if you like …
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 06:46 PM
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I think more effort needs to be made to grow a WRM as an ally to the MRM and to generate similar levels of activity critical to feminism and advocating for ALL women and their rights, for the sake of those women it's obvious what the benefit would be, but also because it would undermine the feminist movements claimed monopoly on assisting women. Excellent work! We've seen feminism since its first wave inception make claims on helping men - that the education of women gives men better marriage pa…
/r/MensRights23/01/18 03:30 AM
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Lol!!
/r/MensRights22/01/18 11:46 PM
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Women are not so weak as to need this kind of protection. Banning all such activity from the workplace would reduce the quality of life for everyone, including women. This is exactly the point. This is portraying the Victorian image of women as delicate, fragile, creatures. This is actually the kinds of things that first wave feminism actually fought against.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 10:02 PM
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I'm arguing for the mans right to leave here.
/r/MGTOW22/01/18 09:39 PM
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A metaphor for feminists - they hold up their principles up high in public display, then they trample on it walking back home to their families.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 09:30 PM
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"will crush you with empathy" Seen this played out in real time in their rhetoric. They set it up by saying something like "only emotionally mature people will understand this". What they do is create a "catch 22", where the only option is to agree with them. This gives them license to say or write very controversial things, but rejection or any emotional reaction to it implies that there is something wrong with us. What's seen in this picture is the perfect example of this. Besides that, having…
/r/MGTOW22/01/18 09:12 PM
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It's sort of a "reduction to absurdity" - that non - competition competes with competition. In this case, non-competition, by competing, is in contradiction with its own definition - that which does not compete. In any case, if competition is negative, it would also mean that non-competition competing with competition is harmful itself.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 08:46 PM
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Intersectionality v.s. predication? Seems to me it's how people view this problem differently. Is gender inequality existing as a force by itself, just sharing the space with other conflicts on a flat "plane" (intersectionality), or is it just a symptom of a higher problem that exists on a pyramid type hierarchy (predication)?
/r/MensRights22/01/18 08:28 PM
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Both sides "making unequal things equal", ironically, sounds like the price of equality.
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:59 PM
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Could men refusing to work with women be as much about protest as it is protection?
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:52 PM
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I vote as a prerequisite for getting a marriage license, it should be mandatory that all applicants must work for a time in that job.
/r/MGTOW22/01/18 07:08 PM
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If the scene were reversed, how would society react?
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:56 PM
1

Isn't even something like "mutual aid" still predicated under "survival"?
/r/MensRights22/01/18 06:33 PM
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I can imagine a future in which my own spawn makes some woman feel as voiceless as the boys in my high school once did, a world in which he blithely argues against the existence of male privilege and shit-talks the latest all-female remake on Twitter. I feel like this about my daughter. I got made fun of in school and mocked by girls - or just flat out ignored. So when my daughter goes to cheerleading classes i cringe. That geeky kid that she makes fun of? That was me. But you can't eat your own…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 09:22 AM
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It's like Kronos eating his own kids - must our fear destroy our own children?
/r/MensRights22/01/18 09:05 AM
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Has anyone read or familiar with the play by Eugene O'Neill called "The Hairy Ape?" (who ironically shares his last name). The play was about a poor, hardworking laborer in the boiler room of a cruse ship, set in about the early 1900's. Anyway, this rich, wealthy Victorian woman sort of took up helping the poor as a "hobby". Her rich friends convinced her to go check out the boiler room and meet some of the workers. When she arrives, she literally screams out "you ape!" when she saw these aggres…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 08:38 AM
1

Was that one from the Peterson debate comments?
/r/MGTOW22/01/18 08:12 AM
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Not trolling here - could you go into more depth about the first point you targeted? The one about abortion? It's really interesting
/r/MensRights22/01/18 08:04 AM
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I've enjoyed reading original first wave feminist material, written back in the 1700's. What they say then is way different than today though, but it's something that helps bridge the gap. Ironically, when I heard Peterson speak in that new debate, he seems to actually use the same arguments that first wave feminism did. So for me, it's that "common ancestor" where men and women's perspectives seem to align the best. Reading books probably isn't what you have in mind, but it's all I can get alon…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:48 AM
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"But it is strikingly obvious that for today’s progressives, humans are the sole species on this planet where gender differentiation has no clear basis in nature, science, evolution, or biology. This is where they are as hostile to Darwin as any creationist." It makes sense, though, from a philosophic standpoint that feminism would reject Darwinism - it portrays a world rife with conflict and oppression as the very engine of life itself. The feminist narrative consists of categorizing these natu…
/r/MensRights22/01/18 07:16 AM
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Love the painting. Anyone know who's it by?
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 11:14 PM
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Better question - what right do men have that women don't?
/r/MensRights21/01/18 10:55 PM
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There is a whole other half to their "family is more than blood" argument. It also implies that "family" can be malleable and changing because only blood ties are permanent - in other words, it implies a freedom to leave, as opposed to the immobility of duty based solely on genetics.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 03:05 AM
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I've heard about some Buddhist nuns through the grapevine, but haven't had the opportunity to read their work.
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 01:55 AM
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Well that's depressing. Read this comment - "What? Nobody is shaming anyone except those men who blame children for their mothers’ mistakes & abandon them after years of care because they think not sharing blood absolves them of responsibility. Sorry, it doesn’t work that way in the real world. He’s raised these kids their whole lives. It would be one thing if they were like 6 months old, but their whole father figure is OP. Biologically or not- they’re his children. ESPECIALLY if his name is on…
/r/MGTOW21/01/18 12:13 AM
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Been thinking about this a lot. But my question to myself is always - "if we are all just empty containers filled with the experiences of other people, and those other people are themselves just as devoid of substance, then how could we have been filled in the first place, if they are themselves just as empty?" In simple terms, if something is entirely defined by something outside itself, and those things outside that first thing is only defined by something outside it, then nothing could actual…
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 10:33 PM
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Agree with most of that. Sometimes I do think it's beneficial for our survival and in our best interest to "go with the flow". The trick must be to know when to go with the crowd and when to go away. Society has tyrannical power compared to a weak individual, and I would hate to invoke it's wrath. Self preservation requires some compromises.
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 10:15 PM
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I tend to think lust is a built in to the very fabric of existence. Competition and strife is what makes the harmony.
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 08:25 PM
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On a very literal level, we do "marry" their family because the spouse has many shared genetics with their family. Psychologically, family members also shaped a myriad number of behaviors of the spouse. In a way, that person who your marrying is just a assortment of other personalities. That "crazy uncle" that you don't like lives on inside a part of her. Yuck love is gross.
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 03:30 AM
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Called "the treadmill effect" in psychology. It's why we get bored with porn, why addicts need higher and higher doses of drugs to get the same high, ect.
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 02:46 AM
3

Shit-winker? That's my new favorite thing to say.
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 02:07 AM
3

See this is my beef - we test students based on what they "know", not their "drive"or attitude for knowledge. I could rant forever on this better stop here. But the natural consequence of this is that we see students - those super attractive, upper middle to high class, alpha female types - just recite information they hear but not actually ever think critically. I'm sure you see them around. A valedictorian perhaps? Monkey see monkey do goes far. I mean we've all seen it, somebody that is actua…
/r/MGTOW20/01/18 01:59 AM
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See this in college ALL the time. The stupid thing is, these aren't intro level classes either- they are 400, so 4th year. My favorite professor bans phone use though. But many girls in other classes just sit there and text and then later expect the people paying attention to give them notes. The fuck? A perfect microcosm for life I suppose.
/r/MGTOW19/01/18 06:47 PM
1

Pareto distribution? This sounds very interesting. Will definitely be doing some research on this.
/r/MGTOW19/01/18 02:42 AM
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Good question actually. Well, not mad. Just concerned that it seems more like a "business relationship", where sex is treated more as commodity in a sort of debt like transaction. There is a lot of negative implications for this. I guess the second problem I'm arguing has to do with agency. Although they both "agreed" to have this arrangement, it may not have been a "fair choice", I.e., natural inclination stuff. Lastly, I would argue that because something produces a desired result (happiness?)…
/r/MGTOW19/01/18 01:16 AM
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I don't think the issue is if it's working or not, but the fact that it came to this in the first place.
/r/MGTOW19/01/18 12:06 AM
2

But is that synthesis your invention, or does he actually say that?
/r/MGTOW19/01/18 12:01 AM
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Fuck yeah whippin out the science! Automatic up vote. "Marriage may affect happiness through two intervening processes: the promotion of financial satisfaction and the improvement of health". Eh. Think this is kinda loaded though.
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 11:37 PM
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Excerpt from the article: Under the new rules, heterosexual single men and women and gay men and women who want to have children will now be given the same priority as a couple seeking IVF because of medical fertility problems. But critics branded the new laws as “absurd nonsense” arguing that the organisation has overstepped the mark by moving into social matters rather than health. I think this was done more for legal reasons. I (think) they were trying to just give equal opportunity for acces…
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 11:04 PM
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This is kinda ironic because Peterson openly discredits movements like MGTOW because he thinks it reflects "immaturity", and the males unwillingness to "accept responsibility".
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 10:37 PM
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Feel your pain. Everyday I have to take time out of my day and the most basic ideas, like what a "correlation" is. Yes, SOME individual exceptions always do occur, but we are looking at overall trends of the whole. When you have a scatter graph and each data point is "clustered", yes we can draw conclusions. Just because one little speck falls out of line, doesn't refute the whole premise of "correlative properties". I have a theory why they don't get this. It's because it's weird ontology shit.…
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 10:26 PM
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Yeah that last point, that men have to work harder at it (among all other things in life), always just dumbfounds women, especially the attractive ones. It's obvious that this "work ethic" approach to understanding struggle is just alien to them.
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 10:07 PM
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"Her understanding of sex lives understood only through her own experience ". This is epic. Women get easy sex, so therefore they just assume men do to, and then portray men as sex crazed monsters.
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 07:18 PM
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How come we don't cone out and expose these people for the frauds they are? So women can ruin a guys career with the #metoo nonsense, but when a guy has a valid reason to question the scruples of a woman, we can do nothing?
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 06:54 PM
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I think what he means is that it's a numbers game. A few guys compared to massive amounts of women, so it benefits the women to "share" the guy. Reminds me of the "ancient" harems of Royalty. Some rich alpha has literally a small community of women just to have sex with. Guess it's just going back to the way it used to be?
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 06:47 PM
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This. I keep telling guys to look at the hard science. "If you don't believe me, Google these studies. Trust science, not your emotions here". With everything that is new and cutting edge, I expect these studies will take time to diffuse into the population
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 06:40 PM
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Been experiencing periodic homelessness many years now. The good news is that IF it comes to that, it is NOT the worst thing that can happen to you. The loss of dignity really hurts, on top of everything else, but there is help around for those who do need it. I don't know if I'm helping, but I just like to think of it as "camping out". This is a good mindset to have, as again, there is much, much, worse things that can happen to a man. If you survived that hellish experience, I honestly think y…
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 02:43 AM
1

Not to get all preachy, but it reminds me of an ancient Egyptian poem - "What's the most beautiful thing in the world? To correct a parent's mistakes".
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 02:01 AM
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I do understand where you're coming from, and you are actually right about a lot of these things. Personally the only reason I still stick around is because I was where they were at at one time. I moved on and accepted things years ago. The people who reached this stage of acceptance don't tolerate this kind of behavior, and they just move on to other things. That is a problem because that does make things a "echo chamber". So I put on a mask and pretend to rage while trying to influence things …
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 10:35 PM
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You wrote: "I don't think mgtow is a critical assessment of the current state of women, but rather a rejection they couldn't overcome." What first inspires people to question things in the first place? Whether it's a scientist trying to overcome the damage caused by a deadly new virus, a philosopher trying to find a meaning to the emptiness of life, or even a fighter studying his opponent after a loss - In all pursuits it's suffering (grief) that first brings us to search for answers. Same here …
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 08:28 PM
2

And this from her article: "Ria Chatterjee is a broadcast journalist for ITV. "Women can’t move forward without expressing their anger over centuries' worth of inequality and misogyny," she told me. "And let’s not forget that even the act of expressing that rage is manipulated by men." Which is interesting, because when women scream and shout they’re "hysterical". Unstable! So, is that why we’re feeling this all the more savagely? Stepping into a full-bodied anger that we’ve rarely owned?" So wa…
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 09:15 AM
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So in other words, nobodies trying to make a name for themselves. Great.
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 08:36 AM
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My favorite part of her article: "Feeling very sudden flashes of rage in everyday interactions with men that might have just irritated me before. And now, this involuntary physical aggression." "INVOLUNTARY physical aggression". I'll tell that to the cops when I get arrested for assault.
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 08:16 AM
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I would say outright destroying those "undesirables" like you suggested may happen, would probably hinder "progress"? Looking at caste cultures like Ancient Greece, Rome, and India, they depend on the labour of those they consider inferior, simply because in their eyes they are worth more alive than dead. Humans overwhelmingly depend on their collective abilities to function, and as long as a class exists at the top, a class underneath it has to exist to nourish it. So I think it's a ontological…
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 04:27 AM
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This happened to me. I'll relate my experience in case anyone else is going through it. First the emotions are very conflicting. It comes as a shock that someone you deeply love just betrayed you. And because you love them, you will try to justify in your mind why they did what they did. You (and her) might tell yourself that it was BECAUSE of love that they went against your desires. But this is just a siren song that sounds sweet at first, but leads men to their demise. It's not love because t…
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 08:21 PM
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Yeah me too. Shocking how another human being could do that to another person, let alone someone who tells you they "love" you. Then when you call them on it, everyone just says "takes two". No, I didn't make her stop taking her pills. Isn't that entrapment?
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 07:08 PM
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I was wading through this feminist trash article but this concluding sentence was enough for me: "The feminist answer is to push for a culture in which boys and young men are taught that sex does not have to be pursued like they’re in a porn film, and one in which girls and young women are empowered to be bolder, braver and louder about what they want." That's the point? To be MORE vocal and demanding and empowered about the entitlements they already have? To push even MORE? Why not, idk, maybe …
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 06:01 AM
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It's probable that some people go in with the best intentions thinking they can and will commit. Time then probably degrades their relationships and romance flees. It's easy to agree to a promise when they haven't had a clear picture of the future difficulties in keeping with that promise. *Disclaimer - not condoning having an affair blah blah.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 04:33 AM
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I would answer her that PART of giving her husband a "happy and fulfilling life" is predicated on the idea that she is monogamous and loyal. Pretty sure if the husband knew about this, he will no longer be "happy and fullfilled". Unfortunately, these two ideas - monogamy and your husband's happiness - are intertwined and not separate things.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 04:15 AM
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Nothing ironic here - Telling someone else what THEIR purpose is and then immediately telling them that this purpose is to not to listen to other peoples interpreting of that purpose.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 03:47 AM
5

Holy crap! Haven't laughed so hard in years! Serously someone do this!
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 01:32 AM
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Great analysis. Honestly I think it's just a survival tactic - "the path of least resistance" for women. If you can get by far in youth on just looks, putting zero effort in, why bother to develop the mind? Biology is efficient and tries to conserve "wasted energy".
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 01:12 AM
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Thanks for responding. That makes sense. Just one more question though: based on your philosophy of history, that men, living in small, competitive tribes, went away to war and became less numbered, wouldn't the female drive instilled by this to "kill all men" be actually harmful for the tribe? Since men are the protection of females, wishing that gone would leave the female much more valnerable. If anything, I'd assume they would want the opposite - increased numbers for protection in a competi…
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 12:20 AM
1

What if some women literally have so much sex that the one instance couldn't be recalled? This sort of works how we measure time - we calculate "time" based on new experiences we have. We use those "landmarks" as reference points. Someone who has so much sex, with many different people, at many different times, probably just can't keep track of each instance anymore because it's no longer "unique". Thus, they all blend together and she can't recall.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 12:06 AM
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But that's a truism though. When a claim is made on human nature and an "exception" is found to the original claim, that is retroactively dismissed as "culture".
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 11:50 PM
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If texts and social media are now admissable as "evidence", wouldn't be much of a stretch to accept this.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 11:02 PM
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Lol!!
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 10:58 PM
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Ironic that ones personal character has to be modified in order to appease a woman...
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 10:47 PM
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I think it's more like keeping her options open. By saying that finial "no", she knows that road is probably going to be closed off. This way, she can lead a man along and make him THINK he has a chance with her, to which she can use as leverage to extract resources, or call for future favors by having him perpetually on standby. The whole metoo thing may just be a "unintended" side effect of this. Edit: As a side note, this technique is actually known in political science. Machiavelli talks abo…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 10:26 PM
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Agree but could clarify for me what was meant by: "This is 100% why young women talk about "finding myself", and "experiencing life". They want to fuck their way to the top of the status ladder. They don't actually know how high genes they can score, so they have a literal instinct to try and find out." "This is why most people, traditionally, got married. College girls are still figuring out their status level..." The two ideas are slightly confusing together. On one hand, the first paragraph p…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 09:42 AM
1

Hey OP what martial art are you taking, if you don't mind? It's funny cause my ex used to nag me for going too. Guess they think it is a waste of time? Weird cause having a strong, fit man able to defend her would be a plus you'd think.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 06:32 AM
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Nice. Was hoping for a Trump joke though.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 06:00 AM
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We can’t cherry pick this article, we need to go for the jugular by identifying the root principle her argument is based. First we need to “squint” and look at the overall shape and form of her argument, stripped of its details. One this is done, it’s a simple idea centered around volitional "choice" and it’s accompanying "regret". First I’m going to look at her epistemic argument: that for something to be considered a rational choice, first the options have to be fully weighed. (Before you make…
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 04:39 AM
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No joke I actually did that once. Got banned about a hour later. Too many uptight snowflakes feeling uncomfortable about the truth.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 03:08 AM
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I did something like that and I got banned the next day. It just takes one offended person to report you and bam your gone. Check the terms and conditions.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 03:05 AM
1

If comedy has instructional value in what aught to be, then lets give every clown on Earth the authority to rule over every country of Man, and make them our physicians and professors too. For what could go wrong making the fools into the wise?
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 11:36 PM
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Familiar but not a fan of him. "There is much wisdom in sorrow", so I study more the tragic poets.
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 10:09 PM
2

Yeah. First wave feminism honestly is pretty badass. I'm thinking Wollstonecraft, back in the 1700's. They ripped on everybody, even other women! I think what happened was they held BOTH men and women to higher standards. As time went on, they more and more abandoned those higher ideals. Like all ideas I guess, it decays over time.
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 08:30 PM
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One of my favorite books. Love the opening line "hello. My name is Musashi, and I killed 62 people in duels." Lol.
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 10:47 AM
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That's quite interesting. It's a bit of an odd idea really - females individually changing to the circumstances they are themselves collectively creating, thus changing with change (and therefore changeless?). It's sort of a feedback loop. I wonder what evolutionary reasons this difference exists? Good post.
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 10:42 AM
3

Damn I study this and missed this. Wonder what book it was in?
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 08:51 AM
1

Regret may just be a inevitable part of life. If we don't do an action, we regret and imagine what would have happened if it was done; if we do an action, we still think about what would have happened if we didn't do it. No matter what we do or don't do, regret accompanies ether choice equally - it's the promise of the "what if" that drives people mad. The solution some take is to look at the dilemma as a deterministic process governed by fate without the idea of "choice". This way, so they say,…
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 08:11 AM
1

Interesting. Philosophy talks a lot about wearing a "mask" to disguise oneself. Personally, I question how much "freedom" this really can give - to not truly be oneself and maintaining a double identity sounds like a burden. Though, considering that we would be destroyed if we didn't hold up some type of "appearance", maybe we have no choice? This "mask" idea predates Schopenhauer's thoughts though. The oldest record of its usage probably comes from The Odyssey, where Odysseus has Athena "transf…
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 03:39 AM
1

Thankfully Nietzsche and the Greeks were a little more humanistic (at least on this).
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 02:48 AM
2

Yeah the show treats that brother like a clown, who basically begs for scraps at the table. I hope this was a type social satire and they weren't serious.
/r/MGTOW14/01/18 12:06 AM
2

Yeah same here. Naturally we do this logic: if there is a big disparity between attractiveness, with the male being more attractive than the female, at least they are easier to get, easier to hold on to, and grateful. Why did it backfire?
/r/MGTOW13/01/18 08:56 PM
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I used to get angry at this but this is just another instance of the man-animal survival instinct. I remember a harsh saying the ancient Greeks had "if you don't benefit anyone, no one will love you". We are selfish to the core. The only reason we even associate with other man-animals is because we are trying to get something out of it, whether it's as big as the preservation of DNA (sex), or as simple as establishing a reciprocal debt arrangement (friendship). Don't "act strong" thinking this w…
/r/MGTOW13/01/18 08:39 PM
2

Most feminists use the Marxist analysis, but few Marxists are feminist. The original Marxist narrative had nothing to do with gender equality. The master- slave dialectic was about the bigger picture of biological life functioning as a predator/prey relationship with humanity being a microcosm of that macrocosm (in my shitty opinion).
/r/MGTOW13/01/18 07:57 PM
1

No obvious message? The ring that makes people invisible sounds a lot like the "ring of gyges" myth in ancient Greece. The myth asked the question "what would you do if you you could do anything with impunity (by being invisible)?", in a attempt to pin down human nature.
/r/MGTOW13/01/18 07:21 PM
1

Reminds me of Parmenides "all is one". But even that has problems
/r/MGTOW12/01/18 07:39 PM
2

I just want to add that studies like this https://www.questia.com/article/1G1-114049357/what-is-sex-students-definitions-of-having-sex show that individual definitions of what constitutes as "sex" are very different from person to person and generation to generation. For example, baby boomers often think that penetration with a condom often doesn't count as "sex". This is because they ironically hold a old fashioned view of sex as for reproduction, hence any act without the intention to procreat…
/r/MGTOW12/01/18 07:09 AM
1

I'm not sure it's a millennial thing. At least in Western Europe and America the idea of "opportunity" was the foundation of these cultures. Considering these cultures steadily started declining in economic mobility, it's possiable that "opportunity" just migrated from economics into sexual "liberation".
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 10:15 PM
1

The problem with studies looking at "happiness" is that such a thing is hard to measure. It depends on a sort of "hedonistic calculus" - that if a burger is a "6" on a scale and sex is a "6", then they are both equal. And that is all after taking into account the ability of the individual to self - report.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 09:37 PM
2

Kind of ironic that she says men's ideas are trash... The very act of dismissing ideas because of their source is ad hominem - a logic fallacy.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 09:19 PM
2

It seems like a common theme in the responses for a separation of ideas and the people who follow them. That's actually called "idealism" - that ideas can exist independent of the holder(s). (I don't hate women, but how they act, for instance) But can you really separate the two? Doesnt our characters shape and form our ideas and in turn, reshape and form us in a never ending cycle? I've also heard the same defense used for religions, such as "Christianity didn't do (insert crime here), but it w…
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 08:44 PM
1

Called a "unfalsifiable statement" in logic. See it all the time. Cops use it the most.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 07:43 PM
1

Exactly.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 07:33 PM
5

Nature's trick - sexual selection.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 07:14 PM
4

This makes sense. My painting professor in college had a phrase "the mind likes a puzzle". It's not what you show, but often what you don't show that makes something interesting. Think you are on to something big here.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 07:04 PM
1

So it's short term gains v.s. long term stability?
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 07:00 PM
3

"creative accounting" lol. I'll remember that next time the IRS audits me.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 06:53 PM
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I think psychologically it's the same principle how gambling addicts fixate on the slim probability of winning despite the overwhelming odds of failing. In a way, when a man approaches a woman he his playing a lottery - with the highest stakes imaginable; for every "good" woman there is a distortional number of bad ones, yet men often fixate on the slim chance at the expense of the reality of their odds, just like the lottery players. Just like the lottery players they tell themselves "you can't…
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 06:31 PM
0

Aristotle's "first mover"?
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 06:09 PM
4

I have a mom that was literally a model and she tells me stories like this all the time. But I didn't get any of her looks and honestly I would give anything to have the attention she got. Its like a really really rich guy saying to us "money isn't everything". Well. Yeah you say that because you take it for granted. Honestly I would rather be rich and unhappy then broke and miserable. This is called the "stoic paradox". Equalizing both extremes. But is being extremely ugly or plain just as bad …
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 06:04 PM
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A guy wrote up a response in one of those Google answer things the the question "why can't I get any matches on Tender?" This is his reply: I'd say it's not uncommon. There's a fairly simple explanation for this. You say people have called you ‘cute’ and believe yourself to be a somewhat attractive guy. I'm sure this is the case (if this sounds like sarcasm, it isn’t) The problem is that a vaguely attractive girl, not even a moderately attractive one, but a vaguely attractive one, will get tons …
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 10:08 AM
2

It definitely leaves many many men disenfranchised to the whole dating system
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 09:57 AM
1

Bonus points for Dune reference
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 09:08 AM
1

Naturally. Feminism is about demolishing gender roles for the woman but the man still is forced into the provider role.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 08:06 AM
0

I suppose every poor old philosopher was a fool then
/r/MGTOW10/01/18 09:20 PM
3

"women know if they'll fuck/date a man within seconds of meeting him." That has scientific validation too.
/r/MGTOW10/01/18 08:13 PM
3

The Furies maybe?
/r/MGTOW10/01/18 07:57 PM
1

What got me through the experience was this logic: that some humans just don't have the capacity to love. It's like sight - we are all born with eyes, yet we all have different capacities for vision. Some people are born with bad eyesight, just like some people are emotionally incapable of love. It's more or less predetermined based on "disposition" - an idea that is somewhat oppressed in modern westernized cultures because it runs counter to the cherished ideals of "free will". But the fact rem…
/r/MGTOW10/01/18 09:37 AM
1

I hear you. Though I'm not sure they are actually claiming that "Eros" is a social convention. I think they all recognize the legitimacy of biological urges(?) What I do think they see as a social construct is a love called "Agàpe" - that is, a love that is not sexual in nature (or the "higher" love in Greek).
/r/MGTOW10/01/18 08:12 AM
1

I used to be a leftist. It was attitudes like this that made me go my own way. It's more common than you think. There are some good ones that can step back and be objective, they get lost in the static.
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 08:04 PM
1

Holy crap some thing happened to me, only I didn't get any money or anything like that. I'm a political philosophy student and I knew my professor well, so he invited me to join in. My experience didn't go over as well though... I don't take sides and I argue for truth, not faction.
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 06:53 PM
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That woman's (I'm assuming?) comment perfectly shows this double standard of feminists. Their central claim is that women have natural "dispositions" or "inclinations" that should not be "oppressed" because that is making them into something they are not (a man's object, for example). This argument, for instance, has and is used successfully regarding the transgender debate. However, when it's about a man's natural "disposition" to be sexually attracted to half naked women, it's wrong and bad? W…
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 06:42 PM
5

This is funny. I was actually on r/science when they posted the study of "Sapiosexual" attraction. A few days later all the girls are claiming to be this. Guess this is the new trendy thing they found on their Facebook feed? Anyway the study was loaded with critical assumptions they didn't define so I just moved on to another one. The central premise of "some women are attracted to intelligence" didn't seem that interesting honestly. Wonder how many "Sapiosexuals" bothered to read the actual stu…
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 06:17 PM
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I guess a rebuttal from Aristotle - He who can live without society is either a god or beast. I don't think we are truly ever alone in the slightest. We think that there is an "I" that can be separated from a "them", but what if this is just the ego? Everything from the language we are using to the clothes on our back were created by others and in turn shapes us into a particular way if thinking. And besides, don't we carry people around with us wherever we go? We call those memories, and we hav…
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 05:56 PM
1

Feminism isn't trendy anymore? If anything I've noticed it picking up momentum as a reaction to the current political climate.
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 05:41 PM
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I guess it's just different survival strategies. An attractive woman can get by far in life just on looks, so what's her incentive to develop her mind? Intelligence I think is a reaction to pressures. The same way with the human body - muscle develops only when there is resistance applied to it. When we don't work out we lose muscle. Its the body's way of efficient conserving of energy. An attractive woman never was "pushed" by society out of necessity to grow a brain, so her mind stays in perpe…
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 05:38 PM
5

Yes! Finally someone points out it's about status.
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 06:25 PM
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"Without that carrot, there's no incentive for the "bottom" 80% to give a fuck." Agree in more ways than one
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 06:20 PM
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Yeah there is a psychology study out using tender and Match data that surveyed attitudes towards attractiveness. Men found about 50℅ of females attractive, but women only found around 10℅ to be attractive. They also checked profile hits and yeah, a few model looking men got a overwhelmingly huge amount of attention compared with average users getting comparatively laughable hits by comparison. Guys Google these studies. It will open your eyes.
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 06:09 PM
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"Not only do you have to dominate, you can lose to things beyond your control." This. Reminds me of Augustine's "enveloping spheres of influence" idea - the drive to increasing control or spread our influence further and further to the outside world.
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 05:43 PM
0

I think that's called Stalkholm Syndrome?
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 05:30 PM
1

My concerns too. We will always be a slave to something as long as it possess our minds. I want the freedom that can only come from letting go, not holding on to anger or the past.
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 08:08 AM
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I would agree. There has recently been a lot of research coming from analyzing data from dating sites like Tender and Match. I remember one from Match that surveyed "attractiveness". Males found about half the woman attractive to them, but with females only about TEN percent of males they found attractive. It's not hard to make some inferences when looking at the hard data.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 06:45 PM
3

Could the writers have put that in on purpose as like a satire on women to add to the tragedy?
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 06:25 PM
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"I turned redpill when i started to realise that even if i was one of the best male available on the market, it wasn’t even remotely close to be sufficient as i don’t give the tingles and butterflies vibes, i’m way too rational." I remember a psychology study once that said the brain only needs a matter of seconds to decide if it is attracted to a person. I've realized that no matter what you do, or effort you put into yourself, you can't make someone love you if that initial chemical reaction w…
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 06:18 PM
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What's strange is feminists are pushing for this too.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 05:18 PM
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Not to ruin the flow but your username is epic (and fitting) xD
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 05:07 PM
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"Women and children first" as the Titanic was sinking. Think you are on to something with that idea of a "unwritten rule" about sacrifice.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 04:55 PM
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Yeah that article is crap. The conclusion is that some men don't get over their breakup because they are less mature -_- That's so presumptuous I don't even know where to begin. Yeah we all know or feel those statistics when we go out in the real world, but having actual data with the stamp of "social science" to back it up would give us a rhetorical advantage.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 04:49 PM
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Actually I spoke too soon. NBC wrote up a piece - "Why men may take longer to get over their exes" https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/better/amp/ncna799791 What's interesting is that there is actually quite a lot of disagreement about how breakups effect the genders. I wonder why?
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 07:41 AM
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I second that. I've tried googling a few studies but they mostly seem to favor the female and push the "promiscuous male" of the evolutionary biology narrative.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 07:32 AM
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Not on topic but still interesting. They call that in advertising "nag tactics". Try to get the kids to get the parents to buy something, and the parents do because they feel guilty. It has nothing to do with pressing a gender agenda per say.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 09:07 PM
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Maybe it has to do with a bigger problem, like "making unequal things equal"? I mean if she is gifted with beauty, it's like we try to idealize all other aspects of that person as well.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 09:00 PM
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Reality imitates art as well. Although these exaggerations are only that - stretches of reality, it also at the same time slightly modifies those very perceptions of reality. People eventually adopt those exaggerations as real over time in a "dialectic" process. That's why we should still be concerned.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 08:36 PM
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Surprised the animal facts bot didn't swarm on this
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 08:18 PM
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I think you hit in something with your first sentence. In general with the animal kingdom, females are generally in control of sex through sexual selection. Quite literally they weigh and judge the male of his reproductive worth. I do think for women the idea of a often "unattractive", often older male being sexual in anyway way towards an "attractive" younger female is repulsive for females for the reason you suggested - "they are unworthy" in their eyes.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 08:01 PM
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That's deep. Good bot
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 07:52 PM
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Despite whatever future we build, we can't change our past. "We can't work toward the future until the past is reconciled" I heard someone say once.
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 07:37 PM
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I guess I'm coming from the view that we are just private individuals and we really don't have the political power to actually force a change to the system, but we can individually learn to "take comfort from the storm behind the shelter of a wall".
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 06:26 PM
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I'm new to MGTOW. My concern is that many people I interact with don't really seem "at peace". The only way I can explain it is through a random chapter I found in the Bhagavad-Gita. It talked about renunciation as a whole, and how if the practitioner still dwells on past experiences, they are really not "free" despite being physically apart from those things. I think there is something missing here. Maybe it's called "acceptance"? It's something I have to work on everyday to forget those crushi…
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 02:04 AM
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That is a good point. In the feminist literature there is a mound of pro choice/pro life conversation centered around the woman and the fetus, but almost none that factors in the father's wishes.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 01:17 AM
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