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DiscussionTomBerwick1984/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 07:56 PM
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because that's what women told me Those women are in sugar relationships, and they've said that they don't do sexual activity? Were those women in locations where there are harsh penalties for prostitution? and what other men have posted? Sugar daddies have said their sugar babies don't do sexual activity? What interviews and forums are you reading or hearing sugar daddies saying this? Or when you say 'other men' are you talking about non-sugar daddies? there is a huge deluge of women who aren't…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:57 PM
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they do not What makes you think sugar babies don't do anything sexual with sugar daddies? Sexual activity as being part of being a sugar baby is extremely well known in 'the bowl'. There's a subreddit about sugardating you can check. It's shocking (based on upvotes of your comments) that there are people who don't know that sugar babies do sexual activity with sugar daddies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:42 PM
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If they provide any sexual interaction (phone, pics, etc) then they are still sex workers. Just like Onlyfans solo content creators or (back in the day) phone sex operators are still sex workers. If they literally do absolutely for the money (not even financial domination) then I agree it isn't sex work, but that isn't a sugar baby relationship either that's just a guy giving money to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:01 PM
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If they provide any sexual interaction (phone, pics, etc) then they are still sex workers. Just like Onlyfans solo content creators or (back in the day) phone sex operators are still sex workers. If they literally do absolutely for the money (not even financial domination) then I agree it isn't sex work, but that isn't a sugar baby relationship either that's just a guy giving money to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:00 PM
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these aren't sex workers, these are women who are tiktok brained Sugar babies are sex workers. They provide an going 'girlfriend experience' for money, whereas escorts do it for a few hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 07:56 PM
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i have never seen a homeless woman where i live (berlin) The Berlin bubble you live in regarding gender isn't the Western world. I've seen plenty of homeless women here in the UK. You also seem to be ignoring things like class, sexualty and race. And seem to be basing your opinion on assuming you'd be at least a middle class White heterosexual woman in the West. Dating and relationships are another big one. Men are still expected to provide, to lead, to have their life together. Women don’t have…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 04:45 PM
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I feel like feminism is mostly selective traditionalism weaponized against men. I want both sides to be liberated from their oppressive gender roles, not just women. I call that pop feminism. I see a lot of feminists like that on IG (I don't use Tiktok but it is rampant I've heard). IME they only want hostile sexism abolished, but are completely fine with benevolent sexism, and even try to pressure men and society to have benevolent sexism towards women. (YVedits is one of the most popular pop f…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:44 PM
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Yeah, she could have done that. You being left wing and red leaning... Does that mean you are left wing economically, but not in terms of social issues? (Seeing as the Red Pill is anti-feminism because it teaches prescriptions based on gender).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:17 PM
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Yes, many do. I assure you if you've spent any time in reading and listening to the immigrant (expat) community in Thailand and the Philippines you'll see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 08:00 PM
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Like I said; many prominent Red Pillers are also openly conservatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 02:21 PM
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Conservatism and Red Pill ideology have huge overlaps, and some of the most prominent Red Pillers also do political podcasts where they express or support Conservative beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:39 AM
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Exactly. That's what I also reply to men who say 'feminism' is the reason. It's cross cultural. Nations that vary signficantly on the gender equality index face the same issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:35 AM
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I was shocked by your answer, but then I read your flair. Have you heard of M.E. Thomas? https://www.youtube.com/@m.e.thomas7901/shorts
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:05 AM
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I agree that if you gave men the option to have that power or not, they would choose it. (Not that it would necessarily be their 3rd wish.) And that gives credence to feminists who speak about us living in a patriarchy, that we think the majority of men would desire to take away women's autonomy and ability to consent if they had the ability to. (The superpower you are talking about would be taking away women's autonomy, please make no mistake. I write erotica, and in erotica a story with that p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:56 AM
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In the context of my post, I was talking about people finding the status of the person attractive. Not the increase in the status that the person can get them, which is what you seem to be talking about. Also, I've never known men brag about the intelligence or mothering ability of a woman, as a means of status. Men are far more concerned about status than women Again, I've never known socio-economic status be presented as attractive amongst men in male dominated communities. In the sub-cultures…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:12 AM
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The men would be the foreign spouses in the study, because they are immigrants in Thailand. So they are the financially abused foreign spouses. There's a misconception and a conflation of Passport Bros with the old school 'mail order bride' movement. Most of the Passport bros move become immigrants. In Thailand, the laws are against foreigners financially, also any land can only be own by Thai citizens, so the men invest in a business or home, and then get divorced and they take everything legal…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:04 AM
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That doesn't mean they love you genuinely, just because they stay. I'm not against PPBing, I'm just advising men to be realistic. I've read, way too many stories of guys going to places like Thailand, falling in love, getting in long term relationship and then getting financially used and then discarded. It's so common that immigrants to Thailand joke about it amongst themselves. There are a lot of unattractive men who are middle aged with pretty 20 something year olds and promote it as 'true lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:38 AM
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From what I've seen, Status is a genuine sexual attraction trigger for women, in a way that it isn't for men. If a person leads with their job, then IMO it's usually a proxy for socio-economic status, not raw status. From what I've observed, in sub-cultures that I've been a part of; the highest status men (even if they aren't that good looking) are attractive to women with options within those communities. (And they do form long term relationships.) I agree 100% about money does not trigger sexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:34 AM
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Yeah, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:26 AM
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"Homosocial" doesn't capture what I'm describing. I know, that's why I wrote 'if you framed them as...'. I'm explicitly separating romantic attraction from sexual attraction. Someone can be romantically oriented toward one gender while being sexually attracted to another, or vice versa. That's the distinction I'm discussing. I understood your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:23 AM
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I would agree with your post if you framed them as homosocial rather than homoromantic. The title seems like blatant ragebait though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:35 PM
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Some passport bros advocate living abroad, so they would be the one at disadvantage. I've read countless stories of men falling in love in Thailand and getting screwed over.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 05:26 PM
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I wasn't saying the threats were the same, I was saying that your rationalization is the same. No, I'm also talking about him putting himself in danger. That's part of the scene, he's aware that he's putting himself in danger with his action, but he also threatens with is intention. I don't know another way to explain to you that a man (or woman) putting themselves in physical danger and threatening to harm themselves to get you to do what they want is coercion. So I think it's best I just give …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:54 PM
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I mean, this would be a criticism these art pieces make, which is that things aimed at men are presumed to be universal in appeal while things aimed at women are not presumed to be universal in appeal despite the fact they are universal in appeal. I agree with you that there is an assumption that things aimed at men are universal in appeal. I don't think things aimed at men or women are usually universal in appeal (precisely because they are aimed at a specific gender's taste and experiences), b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 04:46 PM
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Regardless if you thought he was going to do it or not, he used the threat to get her to agree to a date. Also... I'll just hint at something political... There is a particular leader who has threatened a country with genocide multiple times. And his defenders says "well he didn't do it, and he probably isn't going to do it, therefore it's OK". You're using the exact same reasoning. Also, please remember, it doesn't matter how strong someone is, one slip and he's dead. Experienced parkour practi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:49 PM
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They were talking about the movies. I don't know how different the movies are from the books, maybe you know? I think they meant things that are aimed at women. If your point is that things aimed at women can also be great media for all genders to enjoy, then I agree. Did you get the impression that I would disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:45 PM
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Someone else just left a similar reply, and I agreed with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:41 PM
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He quite literally hangs one handed off the ferris wheel until she says yes. It genuinely baffles me how many women do not see it at coercion. I'm not against movies that show toxic people, but the issue I have is when people don't identify it as toxic. (e.g. people who think Tyler Durden is an inspirational character, rather than being an deeply unhealthy response to the emptiness of American middle class consumerist lifestyle.)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:35 PM
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They did say "pander to women" as well as feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:34 PM
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I agree. I chose bad wording.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 03:33 PM
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If you are engaging in traditional gender roles in dating, then how can you be surprised when the man engages in traditional gender roles in the home?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:59 AM
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Yes. This refers to men pulling their weight in the relationship, meaning they do equal childcare, chores, household duties, the administrative care work of making doctor's appointments, booking vacations, planning birthdays etc., instead of leaving it for the women to do. It has nothing to do with planning dates or dating dynamics. There is no contradiction here. This seems like a thinly veiled "gotcha!" to extract more unpaid labor from women, under the guise of "equality". If a woman wants tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:57 AM
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The Notebook - romantic tear jerker period drama about obstacles due to social pressures/expectations and enduring love. It connected unexpectedly with lots of men I know (despite not being one they would have sought out themselves). I can't get over how he threatens to commit suicide if she doesn't go on a date with him, and this is considered one of the great romantic films. I've never seen it, only that film, and that is biggest red flag of an abusive partner that I've ever seen. The Handmaid…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:34 AM
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No... I've seen 500 days of summer, Eternal Sunshine, American Beauty, Big Fish and Mad Men. And they aren't what you just described. It seems your mind focused on movies like Little Women, Barbie and Pride Prejudice. If so... That shows your bias, your mind literally filtered out everything that didn't conform to what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:28 AM
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It think the gap is mainly biological; women are just harder to please physically than men. All most men need is friction on their dick, and/or a good view. Women tend to need foreplay, 'precision' (in regards to rhythm and angles) and clit stimulation. (e.g. There are a lot of men who don't know that they can grind a woman's clit with their pubic bone when in missionary.)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:58 AM
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act is, I'm still not enjoying sex that much. If I don't enjoy it more than reading a book then why have sex? Why have you persisted if you feel like that?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:48 AM
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like to goon That might be the issue. Not for everyone, but some men have a 'death grip' which kills sensitivity. Also, the visual stimulation of porn can't compare to a real partner. Have you tried abstaining from porn for a few months, and only using a Fleshlight or Tenga (closer to a vagina than the tightness of a fist)?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:46 AM
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Seeing as there has been a unbroken chain of misogyny from ancient civilizations to the present... w Why do you think that the reasons for misogyny existing in the present must be unique the present? It's been an enduring problem for thousands of years, so the roots are likely thousands of years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:53 PM
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I don't know how to write this in a way that doesn't seem condescending... Are you claiming that the misogyny of the Roman Empire was based on jealousy of the dating life of women, their looks and their ability to give birth? Misogyny has been a part of every major classical civilization. But I'm asking about that specific one because it's the most well known in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:51 AM
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I'm not part of the 'pill the can't be named', but from experience of being friends with 5 very attractive men, women do approach men if they are physically attractive enough. There's 2 popular and really attractive streamers online called King 6"8 and Marlon, and women approach them in the same way I've seen women fawn over my attractive friends. I've seen guys say their interactions are staged, I've no doubt some are, but I think the majority aren't because I've seen things play out the exact …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:31 PM
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I think that's just another way of saying that personality plays a bigger role in someone being attractive. Their physical appearance doesn't change, just your feelings towards their appearance. Just like if I find out someone is a racist, their appearance doesn't physically change, just my feelings towards them and so they become less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:14 PM
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Blue pill means mainstream so red pill is the new blue pill. You're trolling right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:21 PM
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I don't understand how you're Blue pill. Pretty much everything you've said in this thread I've heard from Red Pillers. Including their dismissal of Me Too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:45 PM
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RP is pro equality of outcome (ie looksmaxxing and hating on hypergamy) Red Pillers tell men to become in the top 20% of men, to benefit from hypergamy (hence lookmaxxing and strategies for aquiring above average money and status). I haven't seen them talk out against it, they just acknowledge it. Have you not heard Red Pillers talk about becoming a 'high values male'? That is concept about becoming sought after by hypergamous women. Red Pillers promote having multiple simultaneous partners, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:44 AM
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RP has been against traditional gender roles and people in this sphere have defended their position that such traditional gender roles hurts men and women. Which Red Pillers have argued that traditional gender roles hurt men and women? Patriarchal societies want average and low status men to be weak since being strong and competent allows for disruption of power and sexual competition. The Red Pill is pro patriarchy. Every single Red Piller I've come across argues for a Patriarchal society and g…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:25 AM
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If people just accepted it then they would understand why so many married women feel raped when they have consensual sex with their own husbands. 1) What is 'feeling raped'? 2) How does a higher libido in men lead to feeling raped?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:47 PM
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I've seen the same explicit descriptions Religious, Right wing and fascist communities (e.g. men should lead the household - which means dominate decision making, women's vote should be repealed, etc). Those 3 communities alone make up a lot of men. Also, I think that it's something that is generally internalized by the high majority of men including leftist men. I think a lot of men would feel emasculated if they found out the woman they wanted to date was physically stronger/a better fighter t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:24 AM
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Emasculation isn't really possible in a one on one setting. It is usually orchestrated as a form of character assassination within a group against an unaware target. Based on the work of violence prevention expert James Gilligan in a psychiatric men's prison, and in my own personal life; Emasculation can be one on one. There are men who talk about feeling emasculated if their partner makes more money than them, is stronger than them, behaves in a way that is traditionally considered masculine in…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:51 PM
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there is no reason for women to take offense to men finding them sexy. no reason to dislike being hit on. On what authority are you telling women how to feel about men's behavior? It's their life, mind and body, why don't you want to allow them the autonomy to feel whatever they want to feel about an interaction? Why are you trying to dictate the inner workings of women's minds?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:32 PM
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This means it needs legal regulation and punishment for use of non-consented actors. It already has that. But laws don't mean things won't happen. It's like general societal laws, laws against assault doesn't mean assaults don't happen. A cultural change needs to happen in general society, and in the porn industry for assaults not to happen, laws alone won't prevent it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:21 AM
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Because couples and amateurs and people using toys don't act? It's still acting even if you're not good at it. They can act, but you're assuming are always acting. Which is no different than assuming that they aren't always acting. You ignored that I wrote the word SEEM which clearly implies that I acknowledge that it can be acting. You also ignored where I wrote about ejaculation, which is a clear indicator of enjoyment. (Perhaps you weren't thinking of straight men, bi/gay men, and transwomen …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:20 AM
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I support that anti-porn crowd, even though I'm pro porn. The reason is because the porn industry hasn't done a good job at getting the predators and bad practices out of the industry. It took anti-porn activists to get 'the hub' to implement policies to get videos with minors off their site. Jessie Rogers was a huge star who left the industry and started speaking about about bad experiences (off camera) with performers with anti porn activists. When she returned to the adult industry she explai…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:04 AM
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It's all acting, There are couples who make porn (including lesbian and gay couples), there are amateurs who make porn, and neither sometimes care about getting good angles. Toys can also be involved, like a vibrator on a clit. Sometimes it's clear to see that the couples the enjoying the sex (e.g. men and transwomen ejaculating). Also there are women and transwomen who may not ejaculate, but seem to be enjoying having sex with their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:57 AM
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Why did you delete your comment? You began with an insult, so I'm eager for you to repost you comment. Please show everyone how right you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:04 PM
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What's your definition of shallow? If you heavily prioritize looks over character and values, then that is shallow by every common use of the term. You seem to have a different definition. A person can be attractive and unhealthy, a person can be unattractive an unhealthy. Epigenetics is a real thing, lifestyle matters in regards to health. Health markers can be measured and they improve or degrade with lifestyle choice. (This is a special interest of mine, and I really can't emphasize how much …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 05:31 PM
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It's shallow to heavily prioritize looks in a partner for a long term relationship. That's different than simply wanting to be have a baseline of sexual attraction to a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 05:12 PM
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I haven't heard any men say that (and I've listened to a lot of Red Pill/manosphere content). That sounds like a very fringe opinion. The most common age is 35-40 that I've heard, and even then that's not true. Women in their early 20s (the most sought after women) tend to date men in their 20s, despite having the ability to date any age range. The reality seems to be that both men and women feel insecure about aging, and cope in different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:32 PM
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james bond as an ideal. James Bong is a rapist, and a psychopath who can kill without conscience.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:44 PM
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I think both question would be offputting to most men who aren't allies of feminism, because it's an obvious litmus test. However, if they are put off by the questions alone then I think the litmus test has been successful (if you are trying to vet for men who aren't supporters of feminism).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:42 PM
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If you watched the 2nd video you will clearly see that it's not. However, what's your point? Is that a rebuttal? Unattractive women (some of the women who travel there are middle aged and unattractive) can still go to foreign poor nations and find men... and they do. For both men and women who travel to poor nations to find a partner, it's about money increasing their dating success. The unattractive men do not become attractive in a new country, it's the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:45 AM
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Some of them look for love, like in the 2nd video I posted. The point is, if unattractive women are willing to travel, and are willing to pay for the men, then they can find partners. IME unattractive and/or middle aged+ men are fully aware that money is a key reason why they find partners when they travel to poor nations. However, it's common experience for the men to get their bank accounts drained and then dumped, or find out their partner is cheating. So the same is likely going to be true f…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:41 AM
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Thanks to money. The same is true for women... Women's sex tourism in Gambia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzh3KGq4tqg Women's sex tourism in the Dominican republic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp84fX30UVg Women keep their exploits a secret. Men are much more open about it. Women can, and do, travel to third world nations for men. There's a myth going around that women don't use money to find love and sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:34 AM
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Your question isn't clear, so I'm guessing you are asking if unattractive and neurodivergent men would have just as much success as unattractive and neurodivergent women? In both cases, they are likely going to be having dating success thanks to money. There is a myth going around that women do not travel and use money to get relationships and sex, however it's something that's been known for a while in; Dominican Republic, Gambia, and Jamaica... Women's sex tourism in Gambia. https://www.youtub…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:33 AM
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unattractive,neurodivergent women Their male counterparts do just as bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:21 AM
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I'm tired of the stereotype that men heavily prioritizing beauty in a relationship is somehow shallow It is shallow, by definition. I'm guessing the objection you have (based on what you wrote afterwards) is that being shallow is framed as a moral failing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:11 AM
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Exactly. OP made a mistake not asking for the age of the people who will give an answer. When I was 25 I did not find women in their 50s attractive, now I'm 41 I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:25 PM
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I’m claiming that liberalism is bipartisan, not progressivism Progressive social issues are anti-racism, feminism and LGBTQ+ support. However, you're claiming that the above is also a part of conservativism when conservatives actively campaign against gender identity self-determination, DEI/Affirmative action, women and racial diversity casting in media, implicit bias training, etc. . Identity politics is a conservative creation designed to keep liberals fighting amongst each other rather than w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:12 PM
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Who made you the gatekeeper of feminism? Critiquing patriarchy is one of the defining characteristics of feminist discourse. Even if (IMO) many liberal feminists do not actually want the patriarchy dismantled and just want a reformed version of patriarchy (i.e. benevolent sexism from men), they still present their views as being against patriarchy. TERFs are notoriously conservative. Being against transgenderism doesn't automatically make someone conservative. TERFs are still against Patriarchy.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:01 PM
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Conservative feminists don’t want to dismantle the patriarchy; they want to prosper under it and benefit from it. That's not feminism then. Also, why didn't you address any of the other points I made?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:16 AM
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There are plenty of deeply conservative feminists, LGTBQIA folk and anti racists. Which conservative want to dismantle the patriarchy or support women not conforming to traditional gender roles? People like Milo Yinnopolous are homosexual and conservative. I wrote about being LGBTQ+ supporters, not just being homosexual. Milo, for example, no longer engages in homosexual relationships (he is celibate and has renounced engaging in homosexual relationships), and is against Transpeople. Anti racist…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:46 AM
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Some men's issues... https://nb.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/1u2brkc/comment/oqxhwcp/
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:15 AM
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I've argued before that telling men that in order to have dating success you have to be nice, lead to men not trusting them, because men have observed awful men have abundant dating success. The reality is being nice or an asshole has nothing to do with dating success, it if did all assholes would be virgins and/or lifelong bachelors. Also, it sets sex/romance as as 'reward' for being nice, which leads to a sense of expectation and/or entitlement. However, distrusting ALL women because of what s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:06 AM
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Social issues are a part of the left. LGBTQ+, feminism and anti-racism is an interlinked with the reforms you're talking about. Many Marxists are also feminists, anti-racists and LGBTQ+ supporters.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:56 PM
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In a nutshell... Purpose, direction and identity Masculinity is a social and life script and boys and Men are facing conflicting messages. Patriarchal masculinity presents the script that masculinity is dominance, especially in relation to women/femininity. Progressives IMO belong to 2 camps, but they can both claim they want to dismantle patriarchy (I think only Camp 2 does). Camp 1 wants men to do away with dominance hierarchies and hostile sexism, but maintain benevolent sexism. (What differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:54 PM
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OP's post doesn't seem like it's about this sub's dating focus, it seems more to do with political discourse only.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:06 PM
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So all the years women and girls were force fed hate speech online by the manosphere it was fine and the right was never held responsible, its just "freedom of speech" but now a decentralized body of women are expressing themselves online, the left is responsible and oh the sky is falling? The answer is no to everything you just wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:04 PM
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That isn't how I interpreted the post. What part of OP's post led you to that conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:12 PM
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How exactly should progressives speak to men’s problem of men not able to get women to have as much sex as they want and feeling upset about things like that they can’t get a woman to do all the cleaning and childcare for them like they think their grandfathers got, or they have to compete with women in jobs even though they feel they are automatically better than all women? Is that what you think men's issue come down to?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:44 PM
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The left IMO has a big issue with content creators. IME the most popular feminist content creators on tik tok/feminism are abrasive and outright insulting to men. Even content creators are like say things like "ugh, you're making me side with a man", "men are trash", and I saw one who outright supported a video of a woman assaulting her boyfriend (she also did it in front of her own child), etc, and I tolerate their prejudice because they are insightful. I think I've developed a higher tolerance…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 07:36 PM
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A quick response as I wind down (it might be a bit disjointed, because I'm in a rush); The Patriarchy is more than just about male leadership, it is also about culture regarding gender, masculinity and femininity. Under patriarchy at the core of masculinity is the belief that masculinity = dominance and superiority to women and femininity. The masculine ideal to be high status within a dominance hierarchy and be dominant or superior to women and femininity. The prescription within the patriarchy…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:28 PM
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Group therapy is different from one on one. I agree, but most people only know about group therapy in the context of AA, and support groups for disorders or illness. If you are using YouTube as your example of dating coaching that is a very different thing and also sales. Why is using youtube as an example different? A lot of therapy takes place online these days, just like coaching. It didn't make it clear, but flirting roleplay also happens in person in workshops. Again I dont know a specific …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:41 PM
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So dating coaches role play flirting which I doubt. Some do. Most of it is private (I know because I've seen some footage of excepts of workshops and have seen women who are brought in for the men to roleplay flirting.) Here's footage of 2 dating coaches putting men on speed dates and then giving them feedback after; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY8MUT_S2U8 But you didn't address my question (which is your right, I'm just reminding you in case you forgot to)... Which therapy modalities rolepl…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:26 PM
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Genuine question; which modality of therapy would roleplay flirting with clients? People shit on therapy while knowing absolutely nothing about it. I think one of the key issues is therapy has become synonymous with talk therapy, and I think that doesn't work for a lot of people who struggle to articulate how they are feeling in the first place. In movies and TV shows, that is the dominant form for therapy. And when most people on the internet IMO talk about 'going to therapy' they mean talk the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:25 AM
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You're talking about them just giving advice but not roleplaying with clients? If so, I think a lot of people who struggle need do be observed and receive feedback. It's like sales training IMO, people need direct feedback and roleplaying on what they are doing wrong. I've seen dating coaches who do roleplay exercises. I think they'd probably be more useful for flirting training.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:27 PM
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A therapist will help you talk to women and become a person who can actually have a relationship. In what way? I've only done counselling, but I'm curious why you think a therapist would improve a person's ability to flirt, etc? Counselling improved my ability to articulate my feelings, and so helped to improve my ability to communicate within a relationship, but I don't think it did anything to help me with flirting. (For the record; I've had girlfriend and have been married, so I'm talking fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:41 PM
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Playing into societys demands isn't the answer, the answer is getting rid of traditional gender roles for men as well as us being treated more like human beings instead of tools. Dismantling patriarchy will likely take centuries, but that wouldn't improve his social and romantic life in his lifetime. Exercising and improving social skills does. They now have a friends and a dating life, so I would say their life has improved, and they have expressed that they aren't unhappy. Improving our social…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:36 PM
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I'm permaonline, and IME it hasn't become socially unacceptable to say you are going to the gym to become more physically attractive. Also, like other have said, it's a good idea to learn ignore people who shame you for going to the gym to improve your appearance and listen to people who support people exercising.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 07:27 PM
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What laws criminalize men over women in regards to things like homicide rate by gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:08 PM
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If an alien race came to earth without history biasing their perceptions they'd see like 97% of prisoners being men and would probably conclude that modern western society is more misandrist than misogynist They've probably conclude that men commit more crimes than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:09 AM
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Misogyny isn't only defined by emotions but also expressions, based around devaluing women (specifically for being in the 'class' of women). A misogynistic expression can be about devaluing a woman for her interests, sexuality, age, violating gender norms, etc, in relation to her gender. Women in various fields are often assessed and talked about with disdain based on their attractiveness or sexual history, regardless of her accomplishments, what she's talking about, etc. Also things associated …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:04 PM
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Thank you for the encouragement. I was thinking of making faceless content.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 06:56 PM
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I'm going to disagree on the basis that I don't think progressives being performative is the only explanation. (For background; I'm progressive, a Black man and am bisexual. And I'm a work in progress psychologically and philosophically...) Although I think there is a large section of progressive community members that are performative, I think other explanations for the behavior you've experienced are 1) a lack of integration and internalization of progressive values and ideas 2) a lack of psyc…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:09 PM
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Yep, we can't talk about one of the most important things that can determine dating success probability (depending on location).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 07:38 PM
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Buddy, check Rule 5. I've seen people warned for talking about race before.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 07:31 PM
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You think the primary reason why straight men don't make out with other straight men is because they don't feel safe with them? I think it's because they aren't sexually attracted to men. . I’m very practical, and will rationalise before making big important decisions, and after every big, scary, sad or whatever strong emotional moment in my life. Do you think you may be rationalizing away 1% bisexuality?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:08 PM
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You don’t kiss someone a few times and then that’s it you’re a lesbian or bisexual for life. I agree, it's more your reasoning that makes me think you are bisexual. I believe that people can 'experiment', but your reason is you made out with women because you were horny and they felt safe. You had enough self control (out of fear) to not make out with men, but not self control to act on being horny with women? That doesn't make sense to me. Like the other poster said, they've been horny and part…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:26 PM
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I'm a bi guy, and I'll be honest... what you are writing just sounds like rationalization to me. Bisexuality is a spectrum, and I would say you are on the spectrum, because I don't think any 100% straight woman is choosing to make out with a man. A '95% straight woman'. I've known a woman (IRL) who said she went down on her best friend but said she was 100% straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 04:53 PM
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Why did you not put the second part under a spoiler tag? I've seen the movie, but you've ruined it for anyone who reads your sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 10:18 AM
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In the op, it sounds more like he’s asking women to masturbate using men’s bodies just like men are masturbating using ours. Has that been your experience of sex? Sounds awful if it is. With women who can’t cum through penetration, no amount of “making our knees stronger” is going to change that. Very true. However, like OP said their are positions which create clit stimulation, and women could (I'm not saying they have to, I'm just saying could) take OP's advise and move into, or ask the man, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 11:08 PM
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Is riding not good for pubic bone clit stimulation? (genuine question, I assumed it was), because that's why I'm guessing most people talk about riding for women. which completely misses how a lot of women can't orgasm from only PIV.) That's what I think OP may have been getting at; if a woman can't cum from PIV, then I think he's advising them to make sure they clit stimulation during sex. A lot of women may be unaware, but IMO I think a lot of men do things to 'make themselves cum' and it isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 11:00 PM
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Most of the time it’s ignored or forgotten. Sorry to hear that. I have a belief that most of us men are very selfish in bed. Regarding the rest of your post; I hope you find partner or partners, who make you feel sexy and that you have great sex with. (FWIW, IMO and IME a person can be sexy, without necessarily being beautiful/pretty. And I know I'm not the only man who thinks like that, because I've seen men who have spoken about seeing beautiful/pretty women who they find no sexual desire with…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:27 PM
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You're talking for yourself? If so, why don't you bring the things you do into masturbation into partner sex? Like I've heard a lot of women say they can't cum from penetration, but they can from clit stimulation, so the solution is to bring clit stimulation into the bedroom with a hand, vibrator or pubic area.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:22 PM
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Even when you communicate with men what you like, they don't act on it or are incompetent? Or you don't communicate?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:16 PM
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if im making myself orgasm what do i need you for You wrote that. I don't why you frame being proactive in bed as 'making myself orgasm'. That's what I'm questioning. Perhaps you misinterpreted what OP said?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:14 PM
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OK, yours is a single experience, as a gay prostitute. We're talking about hetero prostitution. Do you think that all men who see prostitutes want moaning and clutching? Also, the existence of blowjob prostitution is counter to what you are claiming. Those are men who simply want a mouth on them, and obviously don't care for signs of a woman's pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:12 PM
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why would I "encourage" anyone to question that? I didn't mean it literally, I used it for figurative emphasis. f a man decides he doesnt need women because moving around in order to fuck them isnt better than masturbarion then he shouldn't fuck women, who cares? I'm just turning the question around because you said; if im making myself orgasm what do i need you for Because OP meant women being a proactive participant in sex to help yourself climax. So I think you either misinterpreted what he s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:07 PM
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And bringing them pleasure. It’s fun. It’s where I get most of my enjoyment from during sex because I’m most likely not going to receive that back. That is sad to me. But I'm glad you have a way of enjoying the experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:02 PM
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OK, so in context, OP is advising women to do that to help themselves orgasm during sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:01 PM
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It's not a pejorative. It can be used as such, but that's not the original term, and there are women who have used the term to describe themselves as that. >"Men aren’t going “oh yeah it was so hot, she lay there motionless and occasionally changing the channel on TV.” The ideal is a woman flushed and moaning and clutching at you. If you think men enmasse only want eager women, then how do you explain the prostitution industry worldwide? How do you explain that large amounts of men do zero resea…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:57 PM
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Have you never heard of pillow princesses? Women who enjoy not being an active participant and just like to receive pleasure?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:38 PM
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The person I replied to was framing women as putting in effort during sex (which is what OP said) as 'women have to orgasm by themselves'. So, what you said is better directed towards her. Based on her reasoning, a man who is the one physically making them orgasm during sex is 'orgasming by themselves'. I don't see it that way, but she does. So I took her framing and replied using it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:34 PM
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I wouldn't, but I know for a fact there are man who do not care. They just like to put their dick inside a pretty body.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:30 PM
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OK, but the question is; if a man physically moving is the reason why he climaxes with you (you're not on top), would you encourage him to question why he needs you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:29 PM
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Genuine question, because I'm curious (I don't agree with OP BTW): Do you actively try to make your partner cum? In terms of the physical logistics, unless a woman is on top (or some angles of doggy), neither of us get pleasure unless I'm moving.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:44 PM
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I don't agree with OP, but I'll say this because I'm curious of your answer... IME I'm usually doing all the work physically (unless the woman is on top, or certain angles of doggy) and so if I'm not physically moving then I don't climax. In context, OP is talking about physical effort. So, turning the question around; if a man physically moving is the reason why he climaxes with you (you're not on top), would you encourage him to question why he needs you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:39 PM
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I'm no agreeing with OP, but within the context of OP's post... (He's talking about effort.) Men are usually 'orgasming by themselves' during sex with women, because they are usually the ones physically doing the effort, unless the woman is on top, or in some angles of doggy. (Most positions are the men physically doing the work.) EDIT: The person I replied to was framing women as putting in effort during sex (which is what OP said) as 'women have to orgasm by themselves'. So, what you said is b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:33 PM
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But not everyone was admittedly 'good friends' with Epstein, like Trump said.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 09:36 AM
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Why? If they're not shallow then we should expect them to prioritise personality and not see 80% of men as unappealing, etc. They should care more about personality. But that's not how they are. Because app are inherently shallow. You can't know a persons personality from a few lines in their bio, you have to get to know. An example of how they work: Men and women value physical attraction, 200 men with the similar personality and values in their bio ; e.g. nerdy, travels, into fitness, similar …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:58 PM
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you're somehow dispensing all these blackpills whilst still defending women, incredible stuff Tom!! What I've been writing about has been about initial attraction/sexual attraction. I do not think most women base their long term partnerships on the things I've written, whereas IME far more men base their decisions on long term relationships on physical attraction. They prioritise looks too, and we can see that they only swipe right on 5% of men, and consider 80% of men as unattractive from prior…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:04 PM
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I've seen summaries of that research, but the problem with dating is that demographic trends can shift over time, and (as you likely know) we can't put any firm conclusions on a handful of studies. I'm not making firm conclusions, but from what I've seen when women want pure sex, and don't fear social taboos (e.g. they travel abroad, or live in very liberal areas) they enjoy sex with young men. But yeah idk, if true this would even further cement my belief that womenn are the shallowest gender, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 01:29 PM
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Objectively, men of all ages find women in their early 20s to be the most attractive. I think the same is probably true for women. I think people confuse women's long term relationship preference for raw physical attraction. " study examined whether people were attracted to older or younger partners. The sample was a set of N = 6,262 middle-aged adults who signed up for a matchmaking service in the hopes of finding a long-term partner. After a blind date, participants were slightly more attracte…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 11:09 AM
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You're talking like she isn't implicated in terrible things, along with him. They both have multiple pics, as a couple, with Epstein and Maxwell. In game theory she has an incentive to be loyal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:55 AM
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Sometimes from guys like that, who are like 'idk what to tell you man I've always just acted like myself and never had an issue, it must be your personality bro'. If someone is struggling I'd want to know their looks, location and rule 5, before assuming their personality is terrible, unless it's painfully apparent when talking to them. There's an argument to be made that what these women wanted, even then, was to feel special and be chosen by a good looking man rather than truly lusting after h…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 10:33 AM
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The person they replied to put it solely down to cost of childcare, so when measures are in place that make in affordable (e.g. tax cuts, payments, extensive paid materity leave) and it hasn't lead above or replacement level births, then cost reduction isn't the solution. Singapore, Swtizerland, Iceland, Norway, Luxembourg, and Andorra have declining levels, despite being high quality of life and high GDP per capita nations.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:37 PM
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I think what you say has some truth, but I'll tell you personal experience and then reading some emerging research which may back up my personal experience. Personal experience. I'm an average looking guy, and I've been friends or acquaintances with 5 above average men, and I observed women respond to and treat them differently to average men... They chase them. No cat and mouse games, they are unambiguous about what they want.) First example: I went to a club with a very (and I mean very) attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 12:14 PM
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It's not a rebuttal, because the problem is non-replacement level fertility rates, and the programs have solved that. People are not having kids at the rate they were 50 years ago, and this is happening in a variety of nations with differing economies from Thailand, to Sweden to the UK. It's being more rational (and less dehumanizing for children) to propose restructuring the economy, and putting money into regenerative medicine and automation to avert economic problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 11:06 AM
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It seems like that was a temporary increase, because Nordic countries have had those things for a while and yet it still declines. It's happening around the world, from Thailand, to Sweden to the US. It seems that as countries develop in regards to economics and education, they are less inclined to having children or large famillies. In low developed nations people tend to have sex without contraception (lack of availablity or sex education) and as an means of acquiring future resources from the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:59 AM
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Despite this, it’s not the responsibility of younger women to have children just because our government sucks. Furthermore we can’t realistically sustain endless population growth so the shift has to happen sometime. Thank you for saying that. It honestly saddens and disgusts me that people are encouraging people to have kids primarily to replace workers in the economy. That is an incredibly dehumanizing and dystopian view of the value of children. The human race has existed for approx 250000 ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 10:55 AM
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Who's classified Barney Stinson as autistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:27 PM
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Forrest Gump had practically no interest in casual sex. I wouldn't class him as being demisexual, more towards asexual. He showed literally no interest in sex until Jenny made him touch her, and also climbed into his bed one night. He wasn't waiting, he displayed no interest. I've never watched The Good Doctor.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 04:24 PM
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Do you have examples of this stereotype? I don't think I've ever seen it. Also, a lot of autistic men likely have bad rizz/game/seduction skills, due to struggling with body language and social cues, and that's likely why they struggle to find casual sex. Unless they are really good looking. (Clavicular seems to be autistic - and is ruining his life in pursuit of fame - and has no trouble getting women, thanks to his looks and status. Looksmaxxing can be taken to toxic levels that damage physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:59 AM
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Yeah, I've heard it's exactly the same in the Lesbian community. Gender roles continue, and even the most toxic elements. Someone has to be 'the man' and someone has to be 'the woman', regardless of outward appearance. I listen to a content creator called Brittany Simon who explains that not everyone who is gay (or bi) is queer, and what she means by that is a lot of gay (and bi) people haven't deconstructed patriarchy in regards to sexuality. Vers sex scenes are really hot to me now, but it's r…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 04:27 PM
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Very accurate, IME. (I'll also add it being seen as submissive). Even in the gay community, there are a lot of bottoms who don't like versatile men because it's seem as less dominant or masculine than being a pure top. As a bi guy I've had to work overcome that line of thinking. Similar dynamics when it comes other kinks and porn genres involving sissies and Rule 5. I'm not saying a degradation kink is inherently bad, but IMO it becomes an issue when some can't separate kink from life, and genui…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 04:14 PM
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Those women are bisexuals in denial, OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 03:29 PM
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Geomaxxing is your friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:03 PM
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I'm just showing how women themselves objectify themselves. Women is a broad term consisting of people with different values and beliefs. I believe a woman is allowed to be OK being objectified consensually (e.g. sex work, provocative social media vids, but object to being objectified non-consensually (e.g. commenting on a vid about gardening about hoe big their breasts are). I also believe a woman is allowed to be Ok with being objectified in one context (e.g. a nightclub dancing) but not in an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 03:56 PM
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Even if I accept that, it doesn't refute anything I just wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 08:01 PM
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OP wasn't only talking about casual sex. Also, it's not necessary to go clubbing to have casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 07:51 PM
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I used to go clubbing when I was younger. Some people are not into drinking/drugs, and don't want to talk to drunk/high people. As a raver and party lover at heart Do you understand that someone might not want to go clubbing, not because they are 'chicken' but because they just don't like the sub-culture/environment?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:34 PM
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I respect the honesty and self awareness. Have you considered that it's better to work on with personal development, rather than cheating to deal with your jealousy?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:05 PM
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Why is that a deciding factor?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:09 AM
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would personally never pay for sex(except if my wife was a non virgin) What does that sentence mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:43 AM
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Patriarchal Male gender roles are harder for autistic men to fulfill, than female gender roles are for autistic women to fulfill, IMO. I agree however that autism isn't an excuse for sexual harassment. However, please consider; Autistic men are born and conditioned in the same patriarchal system as neurotypical men, and plenty of neurotypical men engage in sexual harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 04:48 PM
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Rose meets a guy on the titanic for 7 days has sex with him he risk his life for her she gets married and has grandchildren and she still thinks about that man. OK, why do you not address that she was in a violently abusive relationship, that she was pressured into? Your complaint is simply that she cheated and she had strong feelings for the man long after she died. Her having strong feelings for him would probably and unironically be realistic. He treated her with respect and gave her a fun an…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 12:54 PM
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Especially about monkey branching and orbiting look at novels women read. the most popular is titanic and it’s about a woman cheating. Hell even my gf she like reading love novels where guys are fawning over one woman. Whereas what guys read we are into more action, and sci fi and it makes sense. "It makes sense", are you saying that Romance novels don't "make sense"? Also, you're dropping the context of Titanic, she's in an abusive relationship (he hits her) and she's been pressured into marria…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 10:17 AM
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Don't come to the conclusion from a single article u/TomBerwick1984 I know you are better than that. Please, let's not do passive-aggression. You made a claim and cited a source to back up you claim, I addressed the source you cited. Example A is not force, it's an article about the declining birth rate. Example B is not force. Violence is force. That article about the government pressuring. Example C is the same as the previous. Example D is pressure, nor force. It seems you are using force to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 07:55 PM
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1) More practical than trying to pressure women into having kids, because it isn't working around the world. 2) China scrapping the one child limit is not forcing women to have kids. Russian pushing women into therapy is coercion. A simple approach doesn't mean it's going to work. 3) What is natural isn't working. understand to look at things from a western perspective of debt and wealth generation but again you have to look beyond just finances when it comes to birth rates because the same issu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 07:22 PM
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Which is only true until it isn't. 250,000 years of humanity living significantly below 8 billion show that there's no need for alarm regarding the survival of the human race. The human race would survive even if there was a nuclear holocaust tomorrow, albeit with lower numebrs. It's pretty tiresome to read opinions of teenagers who feel entilted to reap all the benefits of the structure they are living in, that allows them privilages that 99.99% of people who came before didn't get to have and …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 07:06 PM
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Russia ended up in the way it was in the 90s for a variety of reasons, the main one being the entire economic and political structure collapsing (the USSR), not just simply birth rate decline. You just cited France's decline, but gave no reason why it mattered. However, the irony is, you're doing the exact fear mongering that leads to "Trump style authoritarianism". Just like now we see people trying to pressure women into having babies through alarmism about birth rates, then you will see more …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 06:47 PM
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You definitely do not sound left wing on issues of women's, minority and LGBT rights. So when you were a leftists you read studies and cases of discrimination, and now you've come to the conclusion that it's all nonsense?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 06:24 PM
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I never said force, I said pressure. What alternative do you propose to a "debt based capitalist system"? I hope it's not communism or socialism. That's exactly what I mean. People have been so brainwashed that a notion of an alternative system sounds more of an alarm than trying to pressure women into having babies. It's like when all of the silicon valley guys talk about Universal basic income being a necessity in the future (or now Elon Musk is talking about Universal High Income) due to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 06:23 PM
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You see you call it anti-zionist and I call it good ol antisemitism. Israel =/= Jews. Israel is a nation-state. There are Jews in Iran, and Jews around the world who protest against Zionism and Israel. You call it lgbt rights but it's nothing more than a victim contest. LGBT rights are a non issue in western countries driven by blatant hate for humanity. I advise you to look at the kind of things that happened to LGBT people before the movement began. The movement began with the Stonewall riots,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 06:17 PM
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That makes no sense when left wing organizations, in the west, have been at the forefront of fighting for women's, racial minority and LGBT rights, even when they face abuse, imprisonment or death. Even now, the majority of anti-Zionist activism in the west comes from the left. IME right wingers in the west are much less likely to advocate for things like welfare, universal healthcare, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 06:08 PM
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ou don't "owe" it to anybody, but if you live in a free society and you love freedom, you have responsibilities. Do you believe that having children to be workers to sustain the economy and to have voters for a specific political ideology is a good reason to have kids? That sounds like a dehumanizing view of children to me, if you do believe that. (I've heard other people say that, BTW). It sounds like a dystopian science fiction novel.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 06:06 PM
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It not a western issue. The lower birthrate is happening in non western nations like Thailand and China. Only the west do I hear people blaming feminism and western values. The human race has been around for 250,000 years, we'll be fine. The choice is either pressure women into having babies, or change the debt based growth economic system. It's bizarre and sad to me that men would prefer to pressure women rather than question if a debt based capitalist system needs to be scrapped. Brainwashing …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 06:03 PM
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oes not think they should care for anyone but themselves I've never heard that from modern liberals, and I'm a leftist. I usually hear that from right wing MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 06:00 PM
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I implore you to look at the population level of the human race for it's 250,000 year history. I've repeatedly try to tell alarmist white nationalists that there are more white people alive in 2026, than the entire global population 300 years ago. The problem is we've created a debt based growth economic system, and it's unsustainable. There is no danger of the human race dying out, just economic problems. However, the manosphere and conservatives talk about the birth rate issue, rather than res…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 05:56 PM
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No children = No Society People are still having kids, just at a lower rate. It's that there are zero births, just that the birth rate isn't keeping up with the debt based growth economic systme. The human race has been around for 250,000 years, at a significant lower population level. The human race will continue, but late stage capitalism may not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 05:52 PM
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I agree, but the average person does not argue about gender relations regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 11:15 AM
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I suspect that I am autistic, so I may be the wrong person to reply, but I'll do it anyway... Society is made up of competing narratives, norms, cultures, When it comes to navigating society, it's good idea to come to an understanding of what you prefer sexually and romantically, and then screen for people who match that. Also (referring to your interaction with a feminist) a lot of people try to bully people into being the way they want them to be, online and in relationships. Instead of unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 08:56 AM
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I honestly think that is a core psychological motivation for reactionary movements. There is no cookie-cutter, one size fits all, non-context dependent comprehensive guide to dating and relationships, but that's what Conservatism/Red Pill ideology offers. Even some 'blue pill' (E.g. mainstream) advice tries to tell all men and all women how they 'should' be in dating and relationships. And it's what the movie Sinners brilliantly showed (The Occult Observer on youtube clued me into that being a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:36 PM
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Bonnie isn't a hypocrite like the Red Pill men, so I don't think the comparison is fair in that regard. She doesn't tell all women to be like her either, whereas Red Pill men shame men who don't think and act like them. What Louis pointed out is that Harrison and Bonnie both are driven by doing and saying things for attention and money. Edit: Grammar.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:12 PM
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>"they do say that attractive men are more evil on average." I don't like the Red Pill and I've never heard that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 01:57 PM
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Stop saying "feminists" only say this is bad. I never wrote that, nor did I imply that. That's all in your head. I wrote about feminists because I was addressing OP's claim directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 12:27 AM
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I've never heard it expressed that they believe it's because they can't get women their own age. I've repeatedly heard it expressed by feminists that men tend to go for women significantly younger than them because they want women who have less life experience and are less assertive. I've heard Red Pillers openly saying they want women who are younger because they are more agreeable. Regardless if the narrative is true or not, listening to Red Pillers they literally justify what they said. Like …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:49 PM
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Your study also say scared interest have almost same impact as attractiveness. I wrote this at the start of my reply: "IME the no. 1 thing to tell young men to do is to looksmaxx and hobbymaxx, because looks and shared interests are the no. 1 and no. 2 predictors of attraction based on looking at some summaries of speed dating studies." Why did you write this reply, when I already made it clear that shared interests are important in the first few lines? And they met 4 minutes only. The conclusio…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 06:29 PM
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Then she’s got issues. The thing I've found is that kinks generally do not go away, even after extensive therapy and the person goes from PTSD/traumatized person with attachment issues to a psychologically healthy person. A sexual kink simply seems to stay, what does happen is that the person tries to satisfy those kinks in an environment and a person that cares about their well-being. Learning about sexuality and kinks has helped me to realize that human beings can be extremely paradoxical. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 01:41 PM
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It's strange that the red pill completely discounts that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:41 PM
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I hope you're trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 11:20 AM
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There's a lot of variables when it comes to that statistic; age, income, education, religion or lack of, location, life satisfaction before entering a relationship, etc. 50% is an overview of an entire nation of 600 million. Statistics apply to large numbers, not individuals. People who make 6 figures, have a degree, who go to religious/spiritual gathering once a week, live in a high income neighborhood, and had a satisfying life before they got married have a very low chance of divorcing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 10:11 AM
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There will be, but there are people who actually like the experience gap, because they would enjoy teaching their partner, or helping their partner to explore their sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 09:57 AM
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Have you read Cynthia Paine's critique of Red Pill Philosophy; Red Pill Ideology: Lifting the Shiny Wrapping from the Manosphere? Why won't you debate Destiny?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 09:58 AM
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Have you read the article from the IFS about that study, here's a quote? "How can these findings be explained? It’s easiest to make sense of the low divorce rates of people with minimal sexual experience prior to marriage. Obviously, one of the most common reasons for premarital abstinence is religion, and NSFG data support such an interpretation.2 Figure 2 shows that women who marry as virgins are far more likely than other women to attend church at least once a week. " Are you religious? If no…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 09:31 AM
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Because I believe it's up to every man to decided what they want, I don't believe every man 'should' want a particular kind of woman (which is what you are arguing).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 09:22 AM
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I agree that representation matters. I strongly dislike when people consider most politicians and CEOs to be positive role models, for any gender. I sincerely hope that no-one emulates most politicians and CEOs. ​ because their daddy ran out on them I don't like that you seem to making fun of fatherless men searching for male role models though. As a fatherless man myself. I've also seen the affect of fatherless emotionally on men, and I don't think it's something someone can understand unless t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:13 PM
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Most politicians, CEOs etc. Do you believe that most politicians and CEO's conduct/behaviour are positive examples for men to emulate? I don't. (e.g. the state of geopolitics, the 'externalities' of many corporations that destroy the environment, poor worker conditions, etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:13 AM
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That isn't Tate's message. It seems like you have an issue with PUA and not Tate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:08 AM
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The only weight loss "surgery" they need is jogging. Resistance training > Jogging for weight loss, but I get your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:54 PM
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That's not what he said. OP wrote this... Likes don't mean they have similar experiences. This was his response. It actually means that, you dont like something that you dont approve. So he's saying that if you like something it means you have similar experiences. I confirmed this in a long debate with him, he genuinely believes that. Just because someone may like or approve of something, doesn't mean they are going to do it, have done it, or even want to do it. I like MMA videos, I have no desi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 12:41 PM
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People were extreme in the 90s. Heroine chique was in, so 90% of the women felt fat as that's the ideal. And everyone's mom was trying to convince their daughter to ONLY drink food to get to that weight. I just want to point out, that - in the west - you're likely talking about white (and perhaps East or South East Asian demographics). Hispanic and Black demographics did not have those standards in the 90s, and never have.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 08:35 AM
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Has this info changed how you view women’s ‘marketability’ for sex work? As in: do you still consider it ‘easy’ and something most hot women are capable of making successful? BONUS QUESTION: If you were a hot woman, looking at these statistics, do you believe you wild Be able to build a social media following, then build an OF base, and be moderately successful on OF? I'm very confident that I could make a lot of money from Onlyfans, and then flip some of the money into investments, if I was a h…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 08:27 AM
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Reported doesn’t mean verified. True, however like I said his brother is one of the few people followed by Onlyfans, they normally only follow people relevant to their business. His brother runs a webcam and Onlyfans management company, I've personally witness how much money the top girls make. I don't think you know much about Buggatti again. People in dubious financial situations don't get selected by Bugatti to buy their cars, they are very strong about their reputation of only selling cars t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 01:48 PM
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So you seem to agree that it's not an imperative then if the behaviour can be simulated. It's just an instinct, not strong and urgent behaviour. Fighting can't be simulated to any satisfaction, you are either fighting or you're not. Just like ejaculating inside a vagina. People with an imperative to fight take up combat sports, people with an imperative to reproduce engage in unprotected sex with women. If you can be satiated by jacking off to porn then you don't have an imperative. Just like if…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 01:34 PM
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That’s what they claim. Notice, unlike real rich people tho he never wants to show his balance sheets. Who shows their balance sheets? Believe all you want; it’s your time, attention and money he needs. You seem to be basing your belief on nothing but speculation. I have evidence... Mainstream news outlets have reported it... https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brothers-make-millions-using-webcam-26508739 ​ Do you know anything about the process to buy a Buggati? How many 'washed up athletes' …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 01:30 PM
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Yeah, you are just exceptional I guess (or require them to be very attractive compared to your wife). It is a male biological imperative to spread your genes to as many women as you can. If it was an imperative then it wouldn't be something that could be overridden so consistently in human history, via monogamy, condoms, and abstaining from sexual assault. If it was an imperative (meaning an strong and urgent desire) sexual assaults would likely be far, far higher in number, and condom business …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 01:17 PM
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He and his brother made their first millions through managing webcam models. His brother is one of the few people followed by Onlyfans on IG, because he still runs an agency for onlyfans/webcam models. At one point I did some affiliate marketing for cam sites, and was a user. I've watched some of the top girls make literally hundreds of dollars in an hour. I've no doubt that what they said was true that they became multi-millionaires through managing webcam girls. I've seen the money that can be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 01:08 PM
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No, they were attractive. I even found them more attractive than my wife. I didn't sleep with them, because I committed to my wife. I don't believe I'm an exceptional human being. Like I said, IME people who think that there aren't people around with integrity IME usually have no integrity. (e.g. I was friends with a guy who said "everyone has a price, everyone will screw people over for money"... You can probably guess what happened, I believe he tried to do that to my family, when I was at a v…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 12:55 PM
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I don't like the Tate brother's philosophy, but they have been multi-millionaires before he started getting popular. The guy own a fucking Bugatti with personalized licence plates. If you know how much a Buggati costs then you know that he was rich before he got famous.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 12:46 PM
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Any guy who sells an easy solution to life (I'm not a fan of Tate's philosophy, just to prempt...) He's not selling an easy solution to life. In a recent livestream with 2 teenager boy streamers he literally tells them to embrace suffering and put themselves in challenging situations for years to develop character. He even says that the traditional ways of making money was better because to rise to the top you had to develop a social network, tenacity and communication skills. He says that the '…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 12:36 PM
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Then comes in guys like Andrew Tate, and he tells men what to do. He provides a substantive identity and formula for what a man should be (in his view, an influential, physically strong individual who dominates the women in his life) The way he presents his views makes you wanna be proud to be a man, and feel like masculinity is something to embrace, not shy away from. I personally don't agree with any of what Tate says, but it is clear that those who want to combat his spread would be better of…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 12:34 PM
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Yeah, in Pattaya, Phuket and Bangkok right? Tourist areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 12:19 PM
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In general integrity is non-existent when it comes to animalistic things like sexuality. It makes sense to me now why you believe what you do. I've turned down 1 women who openly offered sex on a night out when I was married, and I've turned down another woman who blatantly was trying to seduce me again when married. I don't believe I'm an exceptional human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 12:18 PM
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being white might give you a little advantage over other foreigners due to colorist beauty standards among other things i don't have to mention, but ultimately you'd still have to be good/average looking I'm black, and I've been researching for a while about relocating to SEAasia. From what I've seen outside of tourist areas, being non-white is a noticeable disadvantage. (Same is true around the world it seems.) Even for things like employment (e.g. they would rather hire a white non-native engl…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 12:13 PM
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No, I don't. I understand your point, and if you answer my question you will understand my point. Will you answer my question now?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 12:03 PM
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If you truly believe that no people of integrity exist in the world, then IMO that is reflection of you. I'm guessing you are either someone themselves who doesn't have integrity, or you do have integrity but are so narcissistic that you think you are the only person in the world who does. Perhaps they are people of integrity, who believe that there exist other people of integrity. Supply and Demand. There’s almost none that exist, but there is a huge demand. Depends on your social context. i.e.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 12:01 PM
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A simple way to understand my point is to answer this question; Do you do every behaviour that you've liked in a video?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 11:57 AM
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You've agreed with me that they exist. I've never said anything about wanting a woman like that, so I don't know why you wrote the last sentence. If any man wants a woman with a genuine tradcon girl, I would advice them to look in the mirror and ask why she would want you? IME most men who speak about wanting tradcon women don't behave in tradcon ways. I'm not tradcon, and I would be baffled if a tradcon woman choose me for partner. Genuine tradcon men are career orientated, religious, domineeri…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 11:54 AM
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okay bro, religious girls who are saving themselves for marriage are liking those kinda tiktoks. False dichotomy. There's more than 2 possibilities between; women who like the video are just as promiscuous or women who like the video are abstinent. You do not have to do something, to like something. It doesn't logically follow, nor is it observable in reality. Do you do every behaviour that you've liked in a video? (Please answer the question)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 11:50 AM
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OK, I'm not talking about the 'so called' ones, I'm talking about the actual ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 11:47 AM
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You ignored the parkour/freerunning example. I liked pro boxing videos when I was a teen and used to train boxing, you do not need to be to have a professionally licenced match. (Jake Paul for example trained for less than a year and has a professionally licenced fight, and an official record. He is far from exceptional in skill.) Other example; I like cinematography videos, but I'm not a director of photography for any video or film. (All I would need to do for that is to grab my phone, and cre…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 11:40 AM
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I'm pretty sure some of these women are making jokes for views. The last girl's list seems like blatant comedy. "Outrage marketing" is pretty common these days e.g. Andrew Tate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 09:28 AM
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unless you’re a hyper fundamental religious community That's arguably what Tradcon is; Traditonalist Conservativism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 09:24 AM
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Approving of something =/= you have similar experiences. A person isn't necessarily going to do something - nor has done something - that they think is OK to do. I like parkour/freerunning videos, I've never done it and probably never will. I like pro boxing videos, I've never done it and never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 09:20 AM
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Why do you all struggle so much? I've never seen so many supposedly successful people congregate in the same place. It lowers my self-esteem. My intention isn't to be condescending but; A lot of people lie on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 10:39 AM
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t in the context of PPD I think it odd not to evaluate fairness and one's worth according to the whole group, to what they're worth and what they deserve. I'm repeating myself but I believe that the only metric that determines a person's worth in the dating market is the pursuers. So we all have what we are worth (in regards to the dating market) what we can get. Which can dramatically change based on location. IMO the way to improve our dating prospects is to looksmaxxing, self-improvement, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 01:40 PM
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and it's inherently unfair I would only consider it unfair if there was a way in which it was 'supposed' to be, but I don't see how that's possible. Irrelevant we're not doing case per case I'm not talking about a case by case. You just agreed with the free market analogy, and then in the very next sentence you disagreed with it. Free market capitalism: A product's value is determined by the buyers. There is no fixed metaphysical/cosmic product value. Dating market: A person's dating market valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 10:57 AM
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You can't precisely, but you do so by attractiveness, status, ect... But you can tell when there's an unbalance In a pure free market capitalist theory a product's value is determined by what people are willing to pay for it. I don't like free market capitalism as a proposed economic system, but I believe the theory applies to the dating market. A person's value is determined by their desirability - meaning the amount of people pursuing them. Have you considered that the most important assessmen…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 09:23 AM
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the thin/tall pretty white boy look The attraction to pretty boys has been mainstream since the 80s with New Kids On The Block, and the various teen movies male protagonists. Bowie and Prince were also very popular. The pretty boy love, and 'softboy' craze IMO is about 40 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 09:01 AM
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When society (at least in the US) has this weird obsession with conditioning women to literally strip every inch of naturally growing bodyhair off of themselves just to look younger it is 100% a fetish. Islam does the same (it's Sunnah for men and women to shave pubic and armpit hair), will you be bold enough to say that Islam is based on a fetish for looking younger?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 08:52 AM
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(I don't think the reason why women stay is different to why men stay in abusive relationships.) Probably a mixture of a few reasons; Anxious attachment style. Low self worth. Trauma bonding. They are in love.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 08:43 AM
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In an ideal world you should be with your value match, that value match must be matched averagely throughout your life with that person. That value match is determined by your value within your gender. How do you objectively determine a person's value? Who has more value to society, excellent parents who successfully raise happy and healthy children, or excellent surgeons? ​ AKA an average woman with an average man. So looks determines who people ought to date in your belief? Ofc the world isn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 08:35 AM
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How have you determined what is and isn't fair in dating? Do you believe there is an objective way of determining that?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 08:20 AM
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I didn't even read your comment when I replied to OP, but it seems you and I have very similar criticisms.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 08:17 AM
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I think one of the reasons is because he turned out to be a massive hypocrite. He said; "Set Your House In Perfect Order Before You Criticize The World." His house wasn't just imperfect, it was in appalling condition. He was clearly going through a bad period of mental illness and was addicted to benzos, but he didn't step back and stop preaching he continued. He's IMO hypercritical of the world, and especially of people who don't share his political beliefs. I'm not saying I don't have compassi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 08:11 AM
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Gen Z share a lot of my interests in health and fitness, cinematography/videography, photography, cultural analysis/philosophy (even though I'm not 'woke' I appreciate the critical inquiry of culture by Gen Z). I think they are the most philosophically inquisitive and creative generation. I'm also (unfortunately) immature for my age - for a variety of reason. I don't think I have much in common with a high majority of women my own age. Realistically it means I need to go down the sugar daddy rou…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 08:02 AM
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they go to poorer countries to have sex with hot women who only consent because the livelihoods of them and their families depends on it. Prostitution exists everywhere, in every single country, no matter the economic conditions. The motivations can be poverty, but it can also be to earn an above average wage despite having options to earn an living or average wage. Even in developing nations, we don't know what every woman's motivations are. I've heard it's common that in Thailand there are men…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 07:46 AM
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Value is regards to dating is considered to be relative. What I think he means is that as women pass mid 30s their desirability for long term relationships lower, Their desirability is higher in their 20s. (I know a lot of women don't like that, but almost universally men will rate women in their 20s as more physically attractive than women in their 30s, just like women will rate men above 6ft more physically attractive than men who are below 6ft, or men who work a blue collar job as less desira…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:50 AM
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I haven't seen any good argument that life is supposed to be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:43 AM
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OP I have the suspicion that the women who would be OK with this wouldn't express this even on their main account, for fear of being judged or shamed by other women. I suspect that a 'don't ask don't tell' and 'be discreet' policies are likely more common than people think amongst multi-millionaires, with wives that are essentially taken care of. What I think most women with those agreements don't want is to be humiliated, and face gossip and taunts from people because their partner wasn't discr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 11:02 PM
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You need to atone.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 09:09 AM
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What he explained was a theory and not a scientific theory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific\_theory
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 08:38 AM
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Logical in what way?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 07:59 AM
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Human consciousness don't operate by logic, as far as I can tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 07:58 AM
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Have you considered that they chose their partners, even though there were younger and more (universally considered) physically attractive women available? Are you aware of George Clooney? Dude had young models wanting him. Actor and Rapper Ice Cube said when working with him on a movie (paraphrasing) "all that guy does is turn down pussy all day". Clooney dated; Céline Balitran, Lisa Snowdon, Krista Allen, Sarah Larson, Elisabetta Canalis and Stacy Keibler. I'm guessing you would say they were …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 09:37 PM
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I have always thought that comes off as needy. The Red Pill has it right that some women don't care about your emotions, but there are a lot of women who do, as you've found out. They need more depth to the relationship than a man just ticking boxes. They want to feel connected/intimate with their partner. ​ Please forgive the barrage of questions; Are you quite a level headed guy? Good childhood? No history of addiction, anxiety, or depression? Do you regularly share with your partner your feel…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 09:24 PM
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Yeah, but that's not the philosophy. The philosophy is 'looks is everything', and many of them think that don't have the looks required to be successful in dating. Wheat Waffles on youtube is an example of the Black Pill philosophy (though he mixes it with Red Pill philosophy - which he's confirmed in interviews).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:57 PM
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Black Pill doesn't mean giving up, it's the hypothesis that looks are the no. 1 determinant for dating success. Some people give up, because of that belief. MGTOWers argue that 'female nature' and society itself is against men's well being.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:40 PM
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Rollo Tomassi is - from what I can tell - the architect of the Red Pill movement, and he endorses and collaborates with Fresh and Fit, Donovan Sharpe, and the Tate brothers, so that doesn't seem accurate to me. It's the locker room. It's men swapping notes. The Red Pill IMO is basically mixing PUA with Evolutionary Psychology - which is what Rollo did. 'Male dating coaches' and PUA seems to be more about men swapping notes, and locker room talk. ME PUAs don't engage in endless woman bashing, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:39 PM
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I lived long enough to watch the obsession with ass becoming a thing. I've noticed push back from Gen Z on this, they seem to think that the obsession with ass is always how things have been. It lead me to realize the power of socialization, which is why I don't buy that attraction to specific kinds of body types is purely genetics, I believe it's epigenetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 12:38 PM
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Yeah, I read her book Self Made Man and thought it was brilliant, she genuinely empathized with men. Here's the interview... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7kP_dd6LU
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:36 PM
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Thank you for elaborating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:35 PM
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This is such a distortion of my argument. No. I believe the asymmetry is an issue, not the only issue I tried to be as clear as possible with my question. Also, you didn't write about the issues that you believe have come from men being in power, you only (twice) spoke about men being in power a problem in and of itself. You didn't elaborate when given the opportunity. ​ I just believe that the ruling body of a representative democracy should resemble the demographics of the people it rules over…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:45 PM
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I disagree strongly. Your reply honestly reminded of the memes... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmkZTFjXYAkRm5R.jpg https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/957/984/359.jpg https://i.imgflip.com/4zo6wg.png If you believe that the issue in and of itself is that men in charge are (like I asked), then it seems you would be OK with the current state of affairs in terms of geopolitics, as long it was women doing it. I believe values and character matter more than gender, race, sexuality, etc, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:35 PM
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asymmetrical holding of power by men You didn't clearly define the problem, so; is men having asymmetrical power the problem in and of itself?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:06 PM
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Sorry, I forgot to reply to you. They have a lot of different areas; copywriting, freelancing, dropshipping, crypto trading calls, and more. They also are very blunt from the start about; if you have a lot of free time but no money or little free time but no money, what ventures are going to be best for you. They don't make promises of get rich quick, they are open with the fact you need to either work your ass off, invest a lot capital, or take high risks to get rich. I was impressed because al…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:01 PM
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Being a fitness fanatic, then that is likely why you are attracted to abs on women. Many men who are fitness fanatics are attracted women who have some muscle definition - it's common IME. Men who aren't fitness fanatics often see abs or muscle definition on a woman as 'unfeminine' IME. Epigenetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:08 PM
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I read those. Will you answer my question? 'Super progressive' guys are rare, most people IME are not hardcore political ideologues. We are talking about average peoples responses. You spoke about the average woman expecting a straight man, so she's not a Jerk for breaking up. So, seeing as the average male would see 30-50 as high, and might be tempted to break up, would you consider him a jerk? It seems you throw in caveats and variables when the woman is target for evaluation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:01 PM
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I just dont believe you can change sex drive by socialization to as large as a degree as stated. Sex drive doesn't equal what body shape and body parts you are attracted to. Epigenetics is what I'm referring to. How social environment can change in how genes work. There's soft wiring and there's hard wiring. You seem to be arguing that your love of ass and abs are hard wired, and I'm arguing they are soft-wired (shaped by exposure). IMO if you were raised in Romania you likely would not care abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 02:57 PM
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fat asses are ugly, muscle asses are nice. Like I said, the focus on ass didn't exist for the high majority of white guys in the 80s and 90s. Muscle or fat asses, it didn't matter, they didn't focus on ass - the focus was on legs and tits. (Pamela Anderson in Baywatch was arguable the epitome of beauty in the 90s for the majority of white men in the west - blonde hair, big tits, and shapely legs.) ​ I like how you avoided that part. Because the discussion was about the focus on ass, not abs. How…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 12:29 PM
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The focus on the ass wasn't something a high majority of white in the west guys cared about pre-2010s. If you look at the photos of white playboy girls and models in the 80s and 90s, I think 95% of the photos focus was on legs and tits. Now practically every white girl on IG and Tiktok emphasizes their ass - huge cultural shift. Eastern European guys who (live in Eastern Europe) IME show what white guys in the west used to focus on when it comes to women's body parts. They focus on legs and tits…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:56 AM
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Or perhaps it's socialization? Like let's say you grew up in Korea, Ghana, or Brazil (maybe you did?), perhaps you would not have have a preference for white women more than other races. I've seen white guys in the west preference for body type change due to socialization (i.e. white men talking about their love of ass, when IME being an 80s baby, white dudes didn't care about ass, they cared about legs and breasts. Then porn and Kim K changed that by the 2010s - then white girls began in droves…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:30 AM
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Why do you think your attraction preference towards white women is biological?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 10:50 AM
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Let's say the topic doesn't come up, and then a year and half into dating she tells him she's slept with 30-50 men, do you consider the man a jerk for breaking up with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 09:56 AM
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But even so, because of modern sexual liberation we don’t necessarily expect most women to have low numbers I think that most men would display shock on their face (meaning it was unexpected) if a woman they were dating or in a relationship said she had slept with 30-50 men. We can't be shocked by what we expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:23 AM
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Whereas in the n count scenario, she can’t have assumed you wanted a specific number for her to have because everyone is different these days The bold is also true (depending on location, and generation). Gen Z seem to be more accepting of bisexuality. ​ Some people want low numbers and some prefer higher. The high majority men I've known do not want promiscuous women as partners - you may not know this, IME a lot of men speak disparaging even about women they've slept with if the girl was 'easy…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:03 AM
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I don't see you calling the woman a jerk. (Am I wrong? please link to the post.)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:55 AM
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But you would be a jerk especially if you already slept with her and committed to her. Do you consider the woman who leaves the bi man (if the conversation never came up, but it was later found out) a jerk too?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:50 AM
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Clever post. When men here write about wanting younger women, women with low n counts, or women who aren't fat there's is a lot of shaming. When women are posted not wanting bi men the highest rated posts are ones defending the preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:48 AM
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I 100% agree. I make the same argument when people talk about racial preferences. It honestly seems some people want to shame any discussion of the psychology of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:41 AM
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She suffered from mental health problems, and then got bullied for saying she doesn't want to work with male performers who have worked with other males. She openly said just before she committed suicide that the bullying had affected her. The bullying was the catalyst.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:34 AM
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I don't know. Hey man, This post from a transman might hit hard, he speaks about an ease to get emotional intimacy that he had before he transitioned, and how now he says both men and women are 'guarded' around him. (It seems for a lot of men we get our emotional intimacy via teams sports and military camaraderie, sex and relationships. Generally we don't have opportunities, which might be why the frustrations of dating are hitting men so hard.) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPMyEzgVEBo_FLF?format…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:23 AM
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Men are coddled. I like Warren Farrell's view of society, depending on context men and women have advantages and disadvantages. Women have arguably a significant advantage in terms of experiencing emotional intimacy, which I would argue is a core human need for a sense of fulfilment in life. Perhaps one of the reasons why we see such resentment rising in dating, is because it's one of the few avenues men get to experience intimacy (the other being avenues being sports teams and in the military).…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 11:30 AM
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A big trend these days IMO is throwing around diagnoses of NPD and ASPD/sociopathy. Based on what I've seen, practically every woman's ex had NPD. Some people can have abusive tendencies and emotional dysregulation, without having a cluster B personality disorder. Some people can act shitty, without having a treatment resistant psychological make up. IMO western society is increasingly moving towards writing people off as irredeemable monsters (e.g. cancel culture, where things people said or di…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 09:42 AM
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He never tried to say it was normal, he just said that some people grow out of it. IMO you read way too much into what he wrote. I don't think when he wrote 'youthful sociopathy' he we stating that sociopathy is a characteristic of youth, I just believe that he was saying some people in their youth behave like sociopaths and grow out of it. From what I've seen and know, (myself included) it is common in certain locations, but not others. ( Myself and my cousin were speaking about the casual psyc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 09:25 AM
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Well i do have a lot of money on my name, A happy life is considerably easier for you than the average person to to achieve then. 1) Find a good therapist through trial and error, this article can help you find out what to look out for; https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/04/what-your-therapist-doesnt-know/517797/ 2) Find a good image consultant to style you. 3) Hire a personal trainer. 4) Travel. (I don't know if you are American, but IME far too many Americans seem to think that …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 09:18 AM
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Great points, thanks for sharing. When I used the term crazy I wasn't using the term to mean mental health conditions, more a combination of traits; i.e. women who are highly impulsive, overtly emotionally volatile and/or prone to anger outbursts. It's why I put inside single quotation marks, just to highlight the vagueness. However, is see your point that it's better to be more precise, because people have their own interpretation of 'crazy'. I agree that it is compassionate for a partner to tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 11:39 AM
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You believe that a man who wants sex 7 days a week is going to be the most attracted to a woman who wants sex once a week? Will you answer my question?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 11:07 AM
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A woman does not gain reproductively from having many partners because she can only be pregnant from one at a time and the ideal would be to use the best existing nan every time. I've noticed that in the manosphere, they create untestable evolutionary biology narratives to justify their assertion. The issue is we can do that both ways, because we are just making narratives. Here's an opposite narrative: Women are naturally promiscuous, because evolutionarily speaking the more men she sleeps with…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 11:03 AM
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You believe that a man who wants sex 7 days a week is going to be the most attracted to a woman who wants sex once a week?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 10:02 AM
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'Crazy' women IMO are less inhibited. So if men likes a lack of inhibition in sex, they'll likely enjoy sex with a crazy women better. Some men don't of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 09:21 AM
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"Human beings are a sexually dimorphic species. As such we find traits in the opposite sex that correlate with that sex and less with ours attractive." Based on your reasoning, a man with high T who has a high sex drive, would find a woman who has low T and a low sex drive the most appealing, seeing as she has a sex drive that is the least similar to the level of the male sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 08:42 AM
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How old are you? Why are you tempted to give up?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:09 PM
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Based.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 07:53 PM
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Or become popular on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 07:51 PM
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I'll take the advice of the greatest minds ever to grace this world over vox and huffpost. The was not VOX the pop news site, it's VOXedu which is a branch of Centre for Economic Policy Research. It's a think tank of economists. https://voxeu.org/pages/about-vox ​ People with money get educations, avoid crime, and have more stable relationships which is no shocker. Like I said, Europe even people from low income households have access to higher education, due to free education, grants or (non ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:36 AM
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I think a lot of women date intuitively, and most seem to be uninterested in trying to imagine the dating market from a man's perspective. Nature or nurture - many women are high in agreeableness (politeness, friendliness - even if only superficial or self serving). Good dating advice can be diplomatic and empathetic, but it can't be bullshitting people to make them feel good (e.g. Lizzo is just as desirable to men in general as this girl https://twitter.com/nylalueeth_/status/152544537879527424…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:12 AM
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nobody should be taking dating advice from women under any circumstances. Even though I agree it's the majority that give vague advice or advice that works for women and not for men, there are notable exceptions and IMO you are leaving some great advice on the floor. Logan Ury was a behavioural scientist, who works for Hinge and is a dating coach, and she gives great no BS advice for people looking for happy LTRs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBmzQixzi0g For men looking to bang randoms, or to…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 10:00 AM
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We over educate people in the west Low cost or free higher education is throughout Europe. Knowledge is merely a tool and giving access to people who don't know how to properly use it is unwise. Higher educated people tend to have lower divorce rates, and are less likely to be violent criminals. https://voxeu.org/article/why-education-reduces-crime https://www.huffpost.com/entry/divorce-rate-education-conversely-related-varies-by-race_n_2854790 One of the best predictors of low recidivism is giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:47 AM
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and most of us look the same as people in their mid 20s. I believe a small percentage, but not most. Personally (to my genuine own disadvantage) I find women in their early and mid 20s the most physically attractive. Even if I don't explictly know their age, I can tell the difference between a woman in their 20s and a woman in their 30s (of course there are women who are exceptions). IMO most men can. For example; there are women in their mid 20s who still work in the 'teen' category of porn. Ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 09:21 AM
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or is it because extraverted people are more motivated to seek out sex? I believe it's that simply being around people increases the likelihood of finding partners. I'm no chad, but when I used to work in jobs for companies with majority women, I always found partners or had women come on to. After I began working in jobs with a staff size of 5, and stopped socializing outside of work - naturally my dating life was non-existent. It seem basic but doesn't seem to be accepted, the more we socializ…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 08:18 AM
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There are women with the same weight as the girls you've posted that don't have the same fat distribution. Those girl's fat primarily goes to their hips, ass and thighs - most women have fat disruption that goes to their mid sections when they put on weight. Many men like the hour glass figure, and those women have it. They may be an unhealthy weight, but their body shape is sexually appealing to many men. Not all fat women are shaped the same - some have bodies that are significantly more sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 08:14 AM
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Of course things can be nuance, and there isn't a quick and dirty way of assessing things, but these are my general principles; Assertiveness in a relationship; You express your values, needs, or wants then ask (and asses) if they willing to meet them. If they aren't, then you can make the decision to leave the relationship, because it's not inaccordance with your values and needs. Unhealthy behaviour; In order to try to make your partner behave in accordance with your values, needs or wants, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 12:44 PM
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Without going into too much detail... At one period of my life I became very religions - no sex before marriage. I married a woman and (through no fault of her own or mine) we were sexually incompatible, I was literally turned off by her mannerisms, she did nothing 'wrong' I just didn't realize I could be turned off by their mannerisms during sexual intimacy. I eventually came to dread physical intimacy, and began to simply avoid it and even general physical intimacy throughout the day (hand on …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 12:23 PM
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A more modern neo-RP take would be saying that women in general won’t go for men who have a less lucrative career. That's a standard RP take.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:52 AM
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Oh so someone with "chronic health issues" is shaming others for being unhealthy lol. 1)They weren't self inflicted health issues. 2) I do as much as I can be as healthy as I can. ​ You expecting someone without having health issues is a high standard considering you are a very unhealthy person. I never expressed that expectation. You misinterpreted what I wrote. ​ (I've remembered I've seen your racist posts yesterday that you deleted. I forgot what kind of person you are. If I remember right y…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 07:47 AM
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Porn stars are raped. What are you basing that on?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 07:26 AM
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Nothing 'fatphobic' about it. Just by looking at her it's clear she couldn't keep up with someone who lives a physically active lifestyle. I doubt she could go hiking, play sports, kayaking, etc, that day, and still have enough energy for physically active sex in the evening. I doubt she would be OK with walking everywhere that is under 45 minutes away. I doubt she could get off the floor without holding onto something or someone for support - and I'm not saying that to mock her. I have chronic …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 07:05 AM
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I idealistically a LTR that's an open relationship. I'm not interested in sleeping around, but I know that periodically I will want to have sex with someone other than my partner. Given the binary option you've presented - currently I would prefer to sleep around. I'm not psychologically ready for a relationship, I still have avoidant attachment tendencies, so I would likely only frustrate or hurt a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 06:57 AM
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You might like this thread then; https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/w1i0m5/heavy\_monetization\_on\_males\_loneliness\_and\_lack/igkhp9g/?context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:26 PM
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When you talk about escalating and flirting, "building sexual tension", this is what i think is a very well kept secret, because no one in your life, like IRL will teach you this, unless you have an older brother or cousin, or you are paying alot. Most guys suck because they can't see those coaches doing it IRL in front of them, this is the worst part of it all. I get ya. There's one guy putting out demonstrations for free; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv6g\_hLMecc https://www.youtube.com/wat…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:16 PM
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I'm a millennial, and I agree with what some of what you are saying. I've noticed that Gen X and Boomers gave out-of-date advice for dating, and so I've no doubt that we millenials are generally out of touch. I've argued with someone here that the Blackpill is most appealing to Gen Z, because of not only the cultural and technological changes, but also the psychology of the women in their age group. Red Pill is mainly lead by Gen Xers (e.g. Rollo, Donovan Sharpe) or people who just regurgitate w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:06 PM
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As in self improvement is obvious but the direct approach is very much a well kept secret. Male self improvement for dating, across generations, IME basically comes down to; Improving looks: Grooming, resistance training, eating healthy with healthy proportions, dressing with good style. Improving communication skills: building rapport, conflict resolution skills. Improving seduction and sex skills: learning how to escalate sexual tension and pleasure through learning about a woman's sexual psyc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 10:00 PM
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I debate intensely, but when I'm in 'discussion mode' with a friend, we both laugh and acknowledge; "we don't really know what the fuck we're talking about". All my conclusions are provisional, and always will be. I don't believe that I, anyone, or any ideology ever will have; 'the answers'.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 09:15 PM
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I see us humans as complicated, messy, bonkers, lovable, and cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 08:59 PM
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Honestly, I went through a Red Pill misogynist phase over 10 years ago, but I had no idea what the Red Pill was. I started out as trolling, but began to semi-believe my own crap after debating it for months on end - it began to bother me that I became a misogynist so I stopped doing it, but I still had 'issues' with feminism. Then I came across a forum with people of guys who truly were Red Pill (this was a niche hobby forum, and the guys on there were real people who showed photos and videos). …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 08:31 PM
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I agree that's one of the best things about this sub. I dislike places that don't allow challenging views, I actively go out of my way to listen or read things from people I disagree with (even if I sometimes end up ranting at the video or text).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 08:18 PM
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How does it make you feel better?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 08:16 PM
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My point is NOT to say that niceness doesn't matter. But that confidence matters MORE that niceness. For men showing confidence is much more an advantage than showing niceness. One again if niceness was a real advantage, jerks would be more discrete. There's some research that I came across that you might find interesting... Men who were more extroverted, conscientious, emotionally stable, but less agreeable, tended to have sex more often, while higher extraversion seemed to be the only factor t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 08:14 PM
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I like to debate because it's mental stimulating and entertaining, however I don't think solutions generally are found in debate. I see most debates as just intellectual competition (discussions are a different story, IME. Disagreement happens, but the goal and style of communication is not "here's why you're wrong", it's more 'lets come together and find out what the truth is'. I can't read minds, but I don't get the impression that most people here are open to having their conclusions changed.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:59 PM
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Yeah, from my research; Colombia, Dominican Republic, Panama and Brazil are heaven for us black dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 12:16 PM
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I think it's a good thing you are doing highlighting that dating has generational differences. I hope things aren't as bleak as I've heard from some Gen Z guys. If things are, then I think that Geomaxxing is going to become more and more popular in Gen Z online discussions about dating. With your stats, one vacation to Thailand I practically guarantee you'll feel like you're 3 points higher than you would where you are. You won't have to pay for play either (From what I've seen, the prettiest gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 11:57 AM
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I'm a millennial, and I agree with what some of what you are saying. I've noticed that Gen X and Boomers gave out-of-date advice for dating, and so I've no doubt that we millenials are generally out of touch. I've argued with someone here that the Blackpill is most appealing to Gen Z, because of not only the cultural and technological changes, but also the psychology of the women in their age group. Red Pill is mainly lead by Gen Xers (e.g. Rollo, Donovan Sharpe) or people who just regurgitate w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 11:45 AM
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Except he fled the country so now we can't wait for due process I'm not a fan of Tate, but where are you getting your information from? Romania does have an extradition treaty, and he's been back to the UK many times, so he didn't 'flee' to escape charges in the UK, and nor has he fled Romania. So what exactly are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 08:37 AM
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I think Andrew Tate is the embodiment of the Red Pill philosophy. I think he and his brother are literally what a large majority of men in the Red Pill aspires to be like, IMO. So, I don't think it's any wonder that he's idolized. I get the impression that he's not a good person, he's literally 'humble bragged' about being 'mafia' and being able to make people disappear with a phone call. He also constantly looks down his nose at and mocks poor people on Twitter. However, I joined Hustler's univ…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 08:26 AM
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What approach am I taking?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 08:03 AM
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"It’s like you are almost there. You actually do get it. But just play the “ hurr durr” nothing matters technically” card." I stopped reading there. I don't know why you are being a dick, I've been polite to you. End of conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 09:13 PM
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I didn’t read morals or ethics into the OP. Unless you believe all prescriptions of behavior are moral prescriptions. Duty/Obligation regarding the well-being of other is inherently a moral prescription. But women and men are part of a collective with inseparable needs. And most mating behaviors have been hard wired into us because they facilitate the proliferation of the species. That doesn't mean those behaviour are obligations or prescriptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:38 PM
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It’s very much focused on the duty Duty/obligation is ethical philosophy. ​ not what’s tactically sound in a specific situation I never said it was about that, I even said it was off topic. OP mentioned the Andrew Tate and XQC debate, and the scenario I just presented was where the topic of 'duty' was discussed that inspired OP. Not going downstairs is different than “ I don’t have to protect her”. I don't have to protect her. There's no obligation, it's a choice I'm making. I'm not doing it to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:35 PM
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Of course no divine source put the duty on men That's the entire point of the discussion, questioning what is the source of the this proposed duty/obligation. I think the machismo shit is stupid That's what triggered this debate. Andrew Tate asked Xqc if there were a bunch of people who broke into your house would you go downstairs. Tate said it was his duty to go downstairs, and XQC said it's tactically stupid to go downstairs, and it's better to stay in the bedroom and hide (or try to find som…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:18 PM
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Duty/Obligation is to do with morality/ethics. That's the context of this discussion. If you make the claim that it's a man's duty/obligation to do X, then you are making a moral claim. You are dictating how other men must live their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 06:49 PM
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So women are the moral authority of how men should live their lives according to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 06:39 PM
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if you choose to believe her telling you that she's on birth control and not take necessary preventative actions yourself, then that is just very poor decision making ​ Every single time I've heard someone say that they got pregnant whilst they were using a contraceptive, it's never a condom. (I'm not saying Condom's are foolproof, I'm just saying that I'm confident that 99% of people anyone reading who knows someone who got pregnant whilst using contraceptives it wasn't whilst using condoms.)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 06:10 PM
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It sounds like you are presenting pragmatism and tradition as justification. I hope you understand is that I'm questioning the justification people believe they have to dictate to others how to live their lives. When you say "it's a man's "duty/obligation to do X", you are dictating to other men how they live their lives. Slight off topic rant; I'm someone who was really interested in martial arts and self defence at one point, and the conclusion I've come to - which is rarely spoken about becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 05:50 PM
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Fair enough, I agree that everyone has preferences. I was running with what he said because I found in interesting, but I didn't fully believe him. I was waiting for you to reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 05:37 PM
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How does sexual dimorphism and history mean that's an objective obligation?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 05:32 PM
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Who assigned the responsibility? Why is it right for a woman to have that expectation? I'm not nitpicking, these kinds of questions are basic in ethical philosophy. When someone makes the claim that something is a responsibility, duty or obligation, then it's reasonable to ask them to justify their assertion - because they are trying to dictate how other people behave.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:57 PM
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It's a fair question; who assigned this duty? Meaning; on what authority - or from what reasoning - is it an obligation for man to protect their woman? Because the concept of 'duty' is not mind-independent, it's not a physical property of the universe. Saying you think it's a practical arrangement, it's tradition, etc, is not the same thing as saying it's a 'duty', meaning obligation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:45 PM
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But their immediate absence doesn't prove they're somehow not involved. It doesn't prove anything either way, so my point is we can make guesses of course, but why don't we stick to the facts before making definite claims of racism? I don't like claiming to know what someone believes, without statements. I've had many people become hostile or simply unpleasant towards me because they've assumed my beliefs or intentions, when they were completely different to what they've assumed. I've had people…
/r/ExRedPill16/07/22 03:37 PM
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We're talking about Red Pillers specifically. Are you saying that you've know a bunch of white guys who follow Red Pill Philosophy who express anti-black woman statements?
/r/ExRedPill16/07/22 03:04 PM
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Black males that attack black women or are anti black women are usually that way due to colorism (basically racism lite) and just plane ol racism. Stuff like hating really kinky hair, big noses, dark skin etc is anti black. I'm not pro Red Pill, but every Black Red Piller I've seen who speaks against black women strictly talk about behaviour; dating 'hood' guys and not decent guys, not being feminine (submissive and soft) in their behaviour, being single mothers, etc. Outside of the Red Pill it …
/r/ExRedPill16/07/22 02:57 PM
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IMO being exclusively attracted to one race can be changed by the person if they want to, I don't believe it's like sexual orientation (i.e. conversion therapy not working). It happens to people who live in other nations all the time, the more time they spend looking at women of other races they more they find them attracted. I'm guessing the guy is 'dieting' himself only on images and interactions with white women, if he instead made a conscious effort to prioritize images and have interactions…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 11:58 AM
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I wish OP would respond to confirm. If all he wants is white chicks, and is complaining that getting muscles isn't helping him get white girls then I don't know why he's framing the question as talking about women in general, when there's 'racepill' factors in his dating issues. The world isn't colorblind when it comes to dating, as I'm sure you'll agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 11:15 AM
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My red pilled ex believed women enjoyed being raped.... probably because he was imagining a woman forcing herself on him. I'm not saying it's the majority of survivors experience, but arousal (and even an orgasm) during rape (or sexual assault) is an unfortunate phenomenon, which is also taboo to discuss in the mainstream. A lot of people (regardless of gender) not only are traumatized by the experience, but also deal with massive amounts of shame because they feel like a 'freak' for being arous…
/r/ExRedPill16/07/22 10:38 AM
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Men say it's women's fault for the way society is and women say it's men's fault. I've noticed there's 2 feminist perspectives on the patriarchy; Men sustain of the culture that supports the patriarchy. Men and women sustain the patriarchy. (e.g. The Handmaid's Tale portrays this. Men are the leaders of institutions, but women play key roles in sustaining the system - e.g. some of the wives and the aunts.)
/r/ExRedPill16/07/22 10:26 AM
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I'm Jamaican-British, and the anti-black woman stuff in the Red Pill overwhelmingly comes from African American men. It isn't white red pillers posting anti-black woman stuff. Every single anti-black woman video I've seen from Red Pillers has been done by African American red pillers. Honestly, I've followed African-American media since I was a teen, and judging only on the media; African-American men and women and deeply resent one another. It's honestly sad to see and bizarre to me.
/r/ExRedPill16/07/22 10:13 AM
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I think you're talking about the Red Pill and Black Pill. IMO the best of the Red and Black is that they give advice on how to increase the probability of increasing general attraction, at worst they are presented as a guarantee or 'the only way'.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 09:17 AM
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OP, I saw this post and thought of you... "For four years I was in a relationship where I thought the sex was good as it was… except in hindsight I realized how bad it was." https://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/vztz6g/i_thought_i_was_defective_and_would_never_orgasm/ Top comment: "Yes, girl! My husband was the first to make me orgasm, and afterwards I thought "I will marry this man!". It's so wild, you don't even realize you're having bad sex until finally you get a guy that knows he has to fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:25 AM
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My observation is that this is a debate sub for different models of dating, attraction and gender. I hope people aren't coming here looking for practical advice on how to have sex. r/sex is where they need to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 03:13 AM
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Many men here and in the red pill keep pretending that if you follow the rules of life you get certain results. I honestly think society in general teaches us that; (some) religions, new age spirituality, productivity gurus ("keep grinding and you'll become a multi-millionaire"). We are taught 'rules' that will get rewards. Like you said, life doesn't follow formulas, and is more chaotic and probabilistic than they may have been taught.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 02:56 AM
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No, I introduced nuance. I presented multiple reasons. Misogyny doesn't necessarily mean seeing women as inferior, it can simply meaning disliking or hating women. Benevolent sexism doesn't mean seeing women as inferior, it can simply mean believing women and men have different 'roles', and so 'should' behave differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:25 PM
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In West, I can think of 0 institutional disadvantages that were created purely because men think women are inferior. That's a strawman, that's not what feminists claim. They aren't claiming that social or institutional disadvantages exist because men think women are inferior. Men may restrict, discourage, shame, or discriminate against a woman doing something out of a sense of superiority, misogyny, and/or 'benevolent sexism'.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:06 PM
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I think that's probably the truth. I believe there are good arguments and evidence that in other areas of life women have disadvantages compared to men, but in dating (in the West) in 2022... No way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 07:26 PM
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Are you saying he has a preference, and isn't exclusively attracted to white women? If so... I don't see why he's having a hard time finding women, if he's open to dating black women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 07:23 PM
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How often are gay men assaulted and maligned inside the communities where they most often express their sexuality? Domestic violence rates are higher amongst gay males couples than Lesbian couples, men are more likely to be raped by other men, than women are likely to be raped by other women. So sexual coupling for lesbians is statistically safer than it is for gay men. Do you understand that gay and bi men have an a tire underground network to engage in sexual behavior? A permissive, promiscuou…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 07:19 PM
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I never said that he couldn't have a preference, but it's not simply a preference if it's an exclusive attraction. I have a preference from brown skinned women (of any race) but I'm not exclusively attracted to them. However, even then I'm not trying to control who he fucks or dates, I'm just saying that's my emotional reaction. Especially when it's non white guys who say they have an exclusive attraction to white women, I respond like this inside; https://gfycat.com/affectionateimpressivelacewi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 06:58 PM
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I feel as though you are derailing in an attempt to indict women for failing to get on board with male bisexuality, and I’m just disinterested in the topic. You're feeling is wrong. Please don't try to psychoanalyze my motivations, and please just respond to what I'm writing. I'm not sure if your purposefully being obtuse about my point about it being more socially acceptable for women to engage in same-sex activities in mainstream bars and nightclubs, and threesomes. However, I've made the poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 06:28 PM
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The hetero perception of gay and bi men is irrelevant to how they express their sexuality in their social circles. You wrote this: Men in general do not suffer the same social inhibitions and repercussions with regards to sexuality, Gay men live amongst non-gay people. They don't all live where there's vibrant gay communities. There have been severe repercussions for being a gay male or even just engaging in sexual activity with people of same-sex. ​ !Women making out with women isn’t on screen …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 05:50 PM
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Men in general do not suffer the same social inhibitions and repercussions with regards to sexuality, I think you are conflating the 'inhibition' of heterosexual male sexuality with homosexual male sexuality. Have you heard of intersectionality? What applies to heterosexual men, doesn't necessarily apply to homosexual men. Homosexual males have not had the same acceptance of their sexuality as heterosexual men. Being a homosexual or bisexual man has been severely socially punished for a very lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 05:21 PM
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Why is a comparison between Lesbian and Gay male couples not a fair comparison? Gay Male couples have more sex. ​ Why would a woman gamble on bad sex (1 in ten chance of orgasm with a new partner) with a man she isn’t attracted to when she has other options for satisfaction? Safe options guaranteed to contribute to an orgasm? I thought you were going to argue that, that's why I compared Lesbian couples to Gay Male couples, so that you wouldn't be able to use that argument. Women know other women…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 05:03 PM
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My bad, I misread the thread, LOL. I don't believe that men and women have equal sex drives though. Due to comparing the amount of sex that gay couples, heterosexual couples, and lesbian couples have. Gay couples have the most and lesbian couples have the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 04:43 PM
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or necessary to sign in to watch porn so the amount spent on purchased porn and the people who don’t sign in to watch porn mean that statistics about who watched porn are not reliable. It is necessary to pay money to get webcam models to do what you want (and you have to sign up with a credit or debit card), and the overwhelming majority of people paying for men to perform on camera are men. ​ Why didn’t you comment about sex toys? That's nothing to do with visual porn. Women tend to require a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 03:15 PM
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Yep, but of all the people who do sign in, they are overwhelmingly men, with only a small percentage of profiles being women. Why didn't you reply to my comments about Webcam studios, and specifically made for females porn not selling as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 03:08 PM
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Spending on pornography isn’t a solid measure of the market because porn is easy to find for free. Even when it comes to free porn, the high majority of profiles of viewers are male. (When people sign up to porntubes they get the chance to select their gender.) There's porn made specifically for women, it just doesn't sell well. Even webcams have men on livestreams, who will do whatever someone pays them to do. Gay men are overwhelming the people who pay the men for their time, not women. For wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 03:02 PM
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I wonder if OP will confirm he's a snowbunny chaser... Hard for me to sympathize with someone who is obsessed with only one race of women, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:47 PM
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Buff dudes who are mid 20s look like they’re in their 40s to me. It's probably the steroids that contributed to their faces aging.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:44 PM
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Movie stars get jacked in 6 months, Granted, they do a gruelling routine that involves multiple daily workouts while fasting... but, they do it. Steroids, personal nutritionists, personal chefs, personal trainers, and dehydration. Regardless of what unethical fitness influencers will tell you, noone is getting jacked in 6-12 months unless they have incredible genetics, or they already worked out before and have 'let themselves go' so they still have the muscle memory.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:36 PM
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Women like men of all 'types'. There are women who like androgynous men (e-boys), women who like athletically built men, women who like bodybuilders, etc. There isn't one universally appealing body type. I've been on bodybuilding forums, and the consensus seems to be that women generally do not find the competitive-bodybuilder sized body attractive, but they do find a muscular body attractive. Also, a lot of people who train can become obsessed and neglect their social life. Going to the gym and…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 02:31 PM
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Not being red pill =/= believing dating isn't hard for men.
/r/ExRedPill15/07/22 10:22 AM
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Going overseas or getting a mail-order bride is just beta buxxing. Do you think every country other than America is poor?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:36 PM
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I used to have a White standard of beauty growing up, due to the movies, TVs, magazines, and porn all (understandably because they are majority of the nation) prioritizing white women. After years of planning on moving abroad I had been exposed to women of various races, and now my 'standard' of beauty has radically changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:33 PM
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You're very rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:23 PM
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You said cultural standards. Cultural norms create cultural standards. So I asked why you believe women have no influence on culture. I'll ask... Why do you believe women have no influence on setting cultural standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:21 PM
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I did. I was asking because perhaps you were engaging in hyperbole. I wasn't sure if you genuinely believe women have had no impact in culture. As someone who is has looked into influential creators in photography, music, and literature, it was a baffling statement to me - however, we all have our own perception. So I was going to follow up with why you believe that women haven't contributed to cultural standards, because there have been very influential women in art fields (women who had an inf…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:19 PM
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Men set cultural standards Do you honestly believe women have no impact on culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 07:03 PM
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And that’s what these guys are kinda hoping for a virgin woman to experience, sadly: they don’t really care if she enjoys it, as long as she tolerates it. There's 2 prominent guys in the red pill movement (Myron Gaines and Donovan Sharpe) who literally argue that a woman's pleasure is irrelevant, and woman should basically be 'free use' if the man pays the bills. I don't get why guys who think like that don't just get prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 06:45 PM
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Attraction is a feeling, selection is an action. In the moment, I agree that a person can't control who they are attracted to. However, there are things that a person can do to change the kind of person they are attracted to. Physical attractiveness; Some people say "I don't find X race physically attractive", all you have to do to change that is spend a couple of months almost exclusively looking at IG models, twitch streamers, youtubers, tiktokers, etc, from that race. I can practically guaran…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 09:43 AM
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Fair enough, I haven't seen the screenshots, you have. I'm still very skeptical that these women can't get dates, unless they really are that ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 09:24 AM
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Why are you assuming that the men were only messaging them saying "Suck my ****"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 09:11 AM
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I'll suck your \***, you naughty woman.* ​ They claim they cant get a date. Men try to date them. So their claim is invalid. ​ Basic logic. It seems that the women were actively trying not to get dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 09:06 AM
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I know regular girls that without make up destroy any super model at their best. I call bullshit. Or I think you only know a handful of supermodels.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:50 AM
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I heard one got made to private because they got bombarded with men who wanted to date them. It's the highest rated thread of all time on PDD... https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/rtsh4v/women_in_a_nutshell/ They likely can get dates, just not with the kind of men they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:48 AM
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There isn't a single criticism of virgins that holds up It's not a criticism of virgins. They aren't holding that against them, they see it as a plus. There's a female poster here who told a story of a virgin who concluded she "didn't like sex" because she didn't enjoy sex with her husband. She didn't think "I don't enjoy having sex with him" she thought she didn't like the sex itself, because she had no basis for comparison. She assumed all sex was like the sex with her husband. The guys who sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 08:40 AM
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That is quite new to me honestly. I'll correct myself and say some women find singing an attractive trait. I've seen the advice periodically on my travel on the internet, that learning to sing and play an instrument, even at a mediocre level is a hack for attracting women. I was friends with a guy recently who sang and played instruments, I would honestly say the guy was average looking, but he had no problem attracting pretty girls with options. After he sang on camera in voice chat in an publi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 09:44 PM
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The number of significant female composers in the history of music, preferably from before the start of WWI. You could take examples from any culture, not just European. I've just spoken about the rise of female song writers, but you seem to have dismissed that. So what do you mean by 'composers', not just European. Music creation outside of classical genre often isn't called composition - that's why I used the broader term song writing. ​ His whole point was that the paucity of female composers…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 08:05 PM
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I'm asking for a clearly defined metric that means the conclusion can tested. Can you please present one? ​ Could you name a few examples of women whom you think of as great composers? Is the number of great classical composers Otto's metric? Was that his sole way of assessing if women in general possessed musical imagination? If so, do see how that can be considered extremely limited and (class and culturally) biased?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 07:44 PM
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It seems you won't accept popularity as a metric, will you accept awards? There have been many award winning female song writers. Is there any way that you believe Otto's conclusion can be falsified? Because there doesn't seem to be anything you will accept other than the no. of classical composers, which IMO is just personal bias. Also, it's simply a metric based on volume not profundity or significance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 07:36 PM
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Creating music is a metric of musical imagination according to Weininger, yes. That's what the original point of contention was. Like I said, there are plenty of award winning female songwriters. Songwriters literally create music, in terms of lyrics and (non-classical) composition. ​ I find your statement about female music artists not being popular in the 19th century hard to believe. Weren't there a lot of female singers for whom entire concerts were sold out? I didn't say there were none, I …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 07:30 PM
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So what prevents women from becoming boxers or composers? Women are boxers. (Female boxing is badly promoted though. Female MMA is well promoted, and they've even headlined cards with males involved, and have sold incredibly well.) Nothing's stopping women from being classical composers. Is that the only acceptable metric of assessing musical imagination to you? ​ How did blacks change their position in sport and music? The same way women did. Female sports athletes, as well as female music arti…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 07:22 PM
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Honestly, women say the same thing about male singers. They find male singing arousing, so it might not necessarily be intentional it might just be how heterosexual people respond to people of the opposite sex singing, conflating impact with intention. However, if they are singing songs about romance then feeling slightly seduced by their voice is likely part of the intention. I haven't listened to many Albums the past decade, but I'll be surprised if most women's albums are about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 07:08 PM
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I'll try a different way of explaining... He wrote in the 19th century. Based on creating hypothesis about genetic pre-disposition from observations of demographic representations in industries/fields, then black people are genetically pre-disposed to be bad at boxing. There were a few prominent black fighters at the time like Jack Johnson (and Sam Langford who rose just around the same time Otto died), but the sport was heavily dominated by white fighters. The same observation about black peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 06:23 PM
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goes without saying that loneliness among millennials is high and even existing social circles usually have skewed gender ratios and only keep shrinking as you age. How is an average lad who only knows other average lads supposed to meet women? By taking up a social hobby... Salsa, Swing Dancing, Hiking clubs, Art classes, IRL Language Course, etc. (Last language course I took there was literally 14 women and 2 men - including me.)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 06:03 PM
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He didn't address what I said, because he was trying to argue that whilst women were legally second class citizens, they had 'enough' freedom from economic and social pressure to pursue careers in the arts if they wanted to. Women did not have the right to vote, nor own property in many states in the US. Women were excluded from being hired if married, and women were refused mortgages up until the 70s, and refused credit without a man cosigning. Women economically were heavily incentivized - due…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 05:53 PM
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The absolute insignificance of women in the history of music Some of the most popular music artists of the 20th and 21st century have been women. It seems more likely that societal oppression was behind the lack of prominence of women during his time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 05:40 PM
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What I think Kentucky is saying is people literally tell other people what their motivation, feelings, thoughts, etc are, rather than making it clear that they are making an educated guess or presenting a hypothesis. It's the height of arrogance to think that a person is a mindreader, but it's very common (on and off reddit). It took me a long time to stop telling people what they were thinking and feeling, and instead make it clear that I'm presenting an idea and then checking with them if they…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 08:42 AM
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Fair point, tbh. Women who are genuinely insecure about their looks will go to the ends of the earth to have daily beauty routine, save up money to get cosmetic surgery, diet and exercise. A lot of Incels and Black Pillers just simply give up. I remember one dating coach who said a story, which I believe is true based on what I've seen. He said he dated a model who literally spent thousands each month as she aged to maintain her looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:42 PM
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That's one data set, from OKcupid. It wasn't even a study.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 01:40 PM
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Even if that was true, what is usually overlooked is those virgin marriages are likely also religious marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 09:53 AM
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I'm guessing you know, but there are things you can do to grow your dick. A Penis Pump gives girth gains that apparently start out only lasting for a short period of time, but the time the gains lasts extends the longer you use it (it also improves erection quality, it's even recommended by the Mayo clinic for ED treatment). I would stay away from cheaper ones without gauges if choosing air pumps, water pumps appear to be OK without gauges. A Penis extender (the Phallosan forte is expensive, but…
/r/ExRedPill12/07/22 02:09 AM
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They were all very different experiences. However, I think they all had anxious attachment tendencies, whilst I have avoidant attachment tendencies. So I would pull away emotionally after a couple of months. The worst thing about them IMO none of us were accurately aware of our needs, and/or didn't know how to express them without feeling deep shame or anxiety, so we got passive-aggressive or aggressive with each other. I would largely put the blame for their failure on me though, due to me emot…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 07:23 PM
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Do you think they had to make a choice between dating and doing well in college? Do you think it's impossible to do both?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:51 PM
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I've dated women with mental health issues, but none that had issues that were so severe that it severely negatively impacted the quality of their life (unlike mine). So I wouldn't class them as non-neurotypical.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:49 PM
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There are ways of behaving and dressing that can make a woman more sexually attractive. (e.g. tighter clothes, that reveal flesh is more arousing that being in baggy clothes) Most men for example find women who act or dress masculine a literal turn off. Which form of Ruby Rose are you more sexually attracted to https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f7/2c/b2/f72cb2d9185729e4d9af7dcf7e701d1e.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3d/d1/39/3dd1391be6250cba5aebb46ed8a367f7--androgynous-haircut-androgynous-girls.jpg…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:56 PM
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I've had life long mental health issues, and so has my mother (though she has been stable for about 5 years due to meds). General advice is for the general population, so neurotypical people. It's understandable. Guys like us have dating on hard mode. When I was younger it was easier finding GFs, because IMO noone expects you to have your shit together, and people are far more forgiving of 'weirdness' IMO post school to early 20s, because the majority of the people in that age group are into exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:38 PM
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You can work on 'getting your shit together' and date simultaneously. You don't have to only choose one.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:31 PM
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I didn't say most intimacy was sex, what I said what that most people like sex because of the combination of the intimacy and the physical pleasure. It doesn't sound like the combination of the 2 is something you value, just the physical pleasure of the act, hence why you prefer masturbation to sex. The closeness during sex that couples in love report during sex is usually far deeper than when they just hug and hold hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 10:05 AM
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Yeah, maybe she's really good at masturbating. However, IMO most people value sex not just for the physical stimulation but also the intimacy. If someone prefers masturbation to sex, then IMO they don't care about physical intimacy that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 09:27 AM
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In fact masturbation orgasms feel twice as good as sex because there is more of a buildup, I feel more relaxed and they just feel better- idk why It honestly sounds like you haven't had great sex. Have you ever had multiple orgasms during sex (foreplay and penetration)? Men have a high sex drive due to testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 09:18 AM
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I'd also argue tools are good. Both aid human civilization in numerous positive ways. I don't agree that tools have aided human civilization, it depends on how they are used. If you agree there can be bad uses of the tool, then how can the tool be inherently good? In a conversation about logic you can do better than this. Logical arguments being used as justification for what most people would consider evil or unlivable circumstances is very commonly discussed in ethical philosophy. I'm having a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:24 PM
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The premise was the preservation of <i>human</i> life but the three laws assumed all human lives are of equal value. Exactly, logic taken to it's cold conclusion from a premise. Something else I believe Asimov was trying to show was how pure logic applied to ethics leads always leads to back to is-ought problem, or simply logical incoherency. In order to save the child we would need to program; preserve human life, but prioritize younger human life. Then that leads to the abortion debate where d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 10:13 PM
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I agree that the Red Pill completely ignores mental health/emotional well being when making prescriptions for behaviour. What I think they care about is objective results (i.e. the woman stays with the man), not subjective experience (e.g. are the woman's emotional needs being met). African American Women and Native American women had a black pill subreddit. Interesting enough, I saw a long video from an Incel Black Piller who basically made the case that African-American women are practically t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:17 PM
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The problem wasn't logic but rather the premises. A better logic engine would have prioritized the life of the child. The premise is the preservation of life (one of the 3 laws in IRobot). I agree that if the premises were different then the outcome would have, but then that would create different issues. One of the key things I think Asimov was highlighting is that code will take any premise to it's logical conclusion, and seeing as human beings aren't very good at logic but AI can be flawless,…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:02 PM
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I am not advocating anyone be manipulative considering how many impressionable individuals frequent this sub. I'm not advocating it either, there's however an issue when we aren't accurate. IMO part of the appeal of the Red Pill is explaining things that the 'mainstream'/Blue Pill says can't happen. When you say things like; " if you want to keep them, you need emotional intelligence." and then people see some women sticking with men who treat them like crap, there's obviously a gaping hole in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:50 PM
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I'd say that logic is good, but applying it in inappropriate situations is not good. IMO logic is a tool, neither good nor bad. Premises IMO can be good or bad, but logic is just a tool to reach conclusions from premises. There can exist 100% logical arguments for Nazism. People IMO are usually disagreeing with the value-hierarchy and premises the begin the reasoning process, not the flaws of the reasoning. Logic is good irrespective of context it seems in the manosphere and to many right wing d…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 05:01 PM
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Some big issues I have with the manosphere's obsession with logic are; The hidden premise that logical = good. Based on what? The belief that sentiment/feelings (i.e. values and emotions) are worthless or useless when discussing building a relationship with another human being, and building a fucking family! A casual narrative =/= logic. Logical reasoning takes a lot of training, and it's far more complicated than simply using words asserting causality in your language. No ethical system (i.e. g…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:17 PM
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That's a pragmatic argument against anti-social interventionism (i.e. free market economics). Raising the standard of living and giving (affordable) access to higher education to everyone, benefits everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:52 PM
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That's one philosophy of masculinity, a very popular and global one though. I highly recommend the book; Preventing Violence By James Gilligan and Bell Hooks writings on masculinity. James Gilligan led a successful therapeutic team in a violent psychiatric prison, when the team left the suicide and assault rate was near zero. What he spoke about was that these men had a high level of shame-proneness, from childhood they got the message repeatedly that they were unacceptable, inadequate, and insi…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:37 PM
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I'm not saying I think it's healthy, I'm just replying to your comment " if you want to keep them, you need emotional intelligence.". Plenty of men and women stick with people who treat them like crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:09 PM
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I think it's more nuanced than that, based on attachment theory; some people have anxious attachment and so will chase someone who doesn't give them the emotional connection they crave, hoping that they can 'change them' (i.e. the 50 Shades of Grey fantasy). So even without emotional intelligence some women will stick around. There are women who are literally in LTRs or married to men who are outright assholes to them (though they of course have periods of affection, but affection isn't emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 09:23 AM
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I mean, yeah, if you want to date vapid, shallow people. I don't agree with that. That's like saying if someone we are initially attracted to the way a person looks first, we are shallow. Some women will be initially attracted to a man based on their socio-economic status too, but I do think only shallow women will stick around if there is no psychological and philosophical compatibility. I don't think initial attraction to looks, money or status makes someone shallow. I think these things are l…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:49 AM
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But if the core of masculinity is “exerting dominance over and subjugating others in my proximity, whether it be other men, and especially my female partner” you’re going to run into issues. Most people, and especially most adults, don’t appreciate being subjugated. Maybe I didn't make it clear enough, but I wasn't supporting that philosophy of masculinity, and I wasn't saying that it was the only philosophy of masculinity (because it isn't). I support presenting other philosophies of masculinit…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:35 AM
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That's exactly what the post says. She thinks "I don't like sex" rather than "the sex is not good", because she has no comparison she just thinks "This is what sex is like, and so I don't like sex" (meaning she concludes the activity itself is something she doesn't like, rather than concluding that the sex she's having with the man is not good).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:38 PM
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bravo. i think this was an extremely well written explanation Thanks for the appreciation. ​ i will add though, for some men it genuinely is entitlement. lots of men, especially here, feel that they are entitled to a woman’s body, time, and capabilities simply because they want it. I agree that a lot of RP men express entitlement. I have X therefore a woman should do this. However, people don't work that way, and are under no cosmic force/obligation to respond to us how we want them to. I wish t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:12 PM
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That's exactly what my post says. She doesn't know isn't good, so she thinks "I don't like sex" rather than "I don't like sex with this person".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:34 PM
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Why do you think drugged/passed out/necro sex is so popular? It's popular? Is that a Gen Z thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:30 PM
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or only offer starfish duty sex. That's what I think some of the men hope. Baffles me why any guy would want that, but I've learned over time and observation that some men genuinely do not care if the woman starfishes as long as she's physically attractive. I've debated with a guy about it, but then I've had to accept that some men genuinely don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 07:29 PM
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I clicked the link, it's exactly what I said. She assumed she didn't like sex, then she left, then she had good sex, then she realized she had bad sex with him. Without comparison she thought she didn't like sex, not that it was bad sex. she knew nothing about sex. She was married off young to some dude. She assumed she didn’t like sex. That sex was for men and her enjoyment can come from her bonds with friends and family. Once leaving that sheltered environment she realized that her cat did ind…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 07:22 PM
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who does it most out of bitterness and anger because they’re not getting what they feel they’re entitled to? i would argue men. I do see where you are coming from, honestly. I don't like it when it's framed as entitlement, though I understand why and I think that is certainly the case with some. With a lot of men, IMO it's do with shame around masculinity. A 'real man' is someone who is successful dating, and it's shameful not to be. Which is why even the 'woke' crowd call men incels as an insul…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 07:21 PM
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lots of men’s assumptions about women are just them projecting what they do and how they feel. I think both genders do that equally. From what I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 07:06 PM
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If a virgin concludes "I don't like sex" rather than "I've had bad sex with this man" due to her inexperience, then that is exactly what RPers are saying. She didn't know she had bad sex, instead she concluded that she didn't like sex due to her inexperience.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 07:03 PM
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OP said something similar, but I don't understand why you would make that statement, when literally every single Red Piller advises men to take up bodybuilding, make 6 figures minimum, learn game, and acquire clout (i.e. looks, money, status). I'm not even RP, but the idea that RPers aren't telling men to improve themselves to be become more attractive defies literally everything Red Pillers say to men. The Tate brothers and Fresh and Fit are the most popular RPers now, and their entire advice f…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 07:00 PM
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I'm not RP. (There's things I agree with, and things I disagree with.) If you want to positively contribute to the discussion, why don't you try to explain where we are misunderstanding?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 06:26 PM
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As a woman, I derive no joy from being a man’s only if he actually doesn’t like me, isn’t aroused by me, does not adore me. I don't agree with RP's stance on this, but that's pretty much what they are saying when I've seen videos talking about this. They are saying that the women don't really desire you, they desire the chad they slept with in their early 20s and they are only with you because they don't want to be alone. (Below is from another post you made to another poster.) The only way to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 02:17 PM
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I don't think any of the Red Pill guys are good, I just find some more tolerable or entertaining. The thing I like about the Red Pill is that they bring intentionality, research and conscientious to dating. Channels that I think are a positive influence and focus on dating advice are; Chang Nation Courtney Ryan Kevin Ray Wilder
/r/ExRedPill07/07/22 09:29 PM
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I still watch Red Pill content creators, but I always skipped him because I got strong bad vibes from him. Andrew and Tristan Tate are misogynists, but they also have charm and humour, this guy doesn't IMO. Edit: That rant revealed a deep friggin hatred for women! Wow. I hope that dude does personal development and gets therapy.
/r/ExRedPill07/07/22 03:13 PM
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Noone was saying that ITT. So who were you directing that at?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 09:17 PM
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Nursing home are a small percentage of the population above 50. Research confirms that post menopause there can be a decrease in libido, and/or vaginal dryness, etc. It's one reason why HRT has become popular for women post 50. I've no doubt many female celebrities are doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 03:57 PM
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Post menopause sex has a high chance of becoming unsatisfying due to physiological and hormonal changes. Also women becoming widows... ""Sexual health challenges are common in women as they age, and partner factors play a prominent role in women's sexual activity and satisfaction, including the lack of a partner, sexual dysfunction of a partner, poor physical health of a partner, and relationship issues," says Dr. Stephanie Faubion, NAMS medical director. "In addition, menopause-related problems…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 03:52 PM
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, but the older I get the more I feel like appearance is the most important thing to focus on. A few studies have concluded that the no.1 predictor of initial romantic interest for males and females is physical attractiveness. ​ These studies tested what men and women said they found the most attractive vs what they actually responded to... https://www.kaggle.com/code/jph84562/the-ugly-truth-of-people-decisions-in-speed-dating/report " The strongest predictor of attraction for both sexes was par…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 08:52 AM
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Regarding Red Pill content; bitterness around women becoming 'Alpha Widowed', there seems to be a lot of expressed resentment towards women who chase after 'Alphas' in their 20s and then turn to 'Betas' (who are not the women's ideal partners) to settle down with. (the Betas being the men watching the Red Pill content, because the 'Alphas' that these women are chasing likely aren't watching Red Pill content, because they aren't struggling with dating. For example Andrew and Tristan Tate embody t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 06:02 PM
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Can you post some examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 03:01 PM
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The Coolidge Effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coolidge_effect I'm guessing for women it's the Coolidge effect, combined with a decline in testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 02:15 PM
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Seems like OP's hypothesis has some credibility based on this summary of this research... A person’s own attractiveness was negatively associated with infidelity among women but not men — meaning less attractive women were more likely to have an affair. A partner’s attractiveness was negatively associated with infidelity among men but not women — meaning men were more likely to be unfaithful when their partners were less attractive. Can anyone dig up the actual study?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 01:41 PM
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Obviously because women generally don’t care about looks enough to fuck a guy because he’s hot, You and I have very different life experiences. I've seen that with multiple chads who I've been friends with. They literally did nothing and had pretty girls follow them around nightclubs or make it blatantly obvious that they were DTF, and then invite back to their place or hotel. (I live in the UK, I've heard it's the same throughout Europe. Are the men you've known in a big city in America like Mi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 01:28 PM
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I agree. It's a direct contradiction that permeates Red Pill content creators.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 10:18 AM
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Good response.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 10:17 AM
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Your story either sounds heavily dependent on location, or (I'm not saying this to be cruel) I think you must be below average in physical attractiveness. Your rampant rejections don't sound like you are least averagely attractive. The idea that all men want blondes is inaccurate (based OLD studies, non-white women - apart from black women, get higher response rates from white men than white women). I'm guessing you're not white? IME it's usually non-white women think that every man wants blue h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 10:14 AM
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I thought this post sounded familiar.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 10:03 AM
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I don't mean to be 'ethnicist', but from what I've read Toxoplasmosis is a big problem in Brazil, and it's known to increase a propensity for aggressiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 09:59 AM
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It's like when Kevin Samuels asked women to rate themselves and some would say a 10. What I think they were doing was rating themselves based on their self image, not based on how they think they are evaluated by others. How can a woman be a 10, and be on a dating call in show complaining about having a hard time attracting rich men (whilst living in an affluent city)? How can a man be desirable, and yet struggle in dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 08:40 AM
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Everyone knows the experience of even a 6/10 woman is dramatically different than that of a 9/10 man Depends on location. Not based on what I've seen where I live. I've seen women simp for Chads and Tyrones on a level that would probably shock you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 08:36 AM
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Have you considered that it might be your location? i.e. the level of bitterness and hatred that you've seen from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 08:34 AM
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I understand (and agree) that bodybuilding (by definition) is better for shaping the body to become more attractive. My point was there are other options, and it's not the be and end all to developing an attractive physique. If a person resents or is bitter towards their training then it's bad for their mental health. Why grind in a job, and then grind in your personal life?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 07:58 AM
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Citing the inumerous benefits of being fit won't make people like fitness even if makes them practice it, they will do it as a chore, because of the benefits even though they hate the "path". I agree, finding an enjoyable practice is how people will find enjoyment, not simply being aware of a list of benefits. One thing really don't like about the Red Pill and Black Pill approach to looksmaxxing the physique is bodybuilding is presented as the be all and end all. No wonder so many dudes get rese…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 11:20 PM
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The point remains that you will have to to it regardless of any enjoyment you derive from it. No man is obligated to do it, but I get all of your points. IMO there is a way to make health and fitness enjoyable in particular, IMO though I think too many people limit themselves to bodybuilding. What it requires is eating health food, with healthy portions, whilst doing some form of whole body resistance training, over approx 3 years. It doesn't have to be bodybuilding, it can be; GOATA movement tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:11 PM
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Now men need to face constant rejection, even while having complete dedication on self improvement be it gym, style, finances, I've had to pay a lot of attention to health due to chronic health conditions, and I've fallen in love with health and fitness. I workout at home regularly, and enjoy watching vids on youtube from health and fitness content creators, and reading about health and fitness. Chasing finances (via investing) was/is really enjoyable to me, there's great mini communities that c…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:40 PM
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Like I said, everyone experiences rejection if that's OP's definition of "“struggle to some degree" then IMO that is a low bar for a definition of 'struggling to a degree' because it's normal. People we like will have partners, don't like our race, we aren't their type, etc, all kinds of reasons. So if OP is trying to say (as you seem to be trying to claim) that getting rejected reinforces what the manosphere says, then IMO that is an unrealistic view of dating. Even 9/10 women get rejected, bro…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:33 PM
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If a man is struggling in the dating then they aren't desirable. Desirability is determined by dating success, so if a man isn't successful in dating (i.e. they are struggling) then they aren't desirable. What metric are you using to determine that a man is desirable, other than they success in dating? I believe results determine if a man is desirable or not (e.g. the amount of women who flirt with them, the amount of success they get setting up dates approaching or OLD, etc), otherwise it just …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:22 PM
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Pro athletes, Chad, and even good looking women don't always get the women they want, but that doesn't mean they are struggling like OP said. Being rejected =/= struggling. By definition, desirable men are not struggling, that's why they are called desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:20 PM
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Until you lose half of your belongings, have to pay alimoney and child custody battles in the case of a divorce. Unless you plan on never getting married, no thanks. Why would you automatically assume the worst case scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 03:04 PM
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My unsolicited advice OP is to try to avoid analysis paralysis, and try both relationships where you are more masculine, and where the woman is more masculine. IMO your body will 'respond' (I'm not talking about arousal, just in term of satisfaction). Also, having occasional desires to be more masculine/Dom is pretty normal. For example; even many women who like to be dominated sexually occasionally like to be the one who throws their partner down and climb on top. You might want to be in a more…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 02:56 PM
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I think we have to distinguish between how someone feels vs what is actually happening. The person's experience of you on the date is what is important to the person you are dating. ​ In some cases maybe the dates are too formal and rigid not balanced with more humane factors. That's exactly what the men are describing when they say the date was like an interrogation or interview. ​ But in other cases people want to have fun dating casually and these people can really waste your time as they are…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 02:39 PM
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I think the guy has a few options; 1) Make money and get face surgery and good dermatologist, then do all the standard looksmaxxing. 2) Develop comedian level humour and social media fame. (There's are cases of men at his level of looks who get social media fame, and start getting girls. e.g. Ssebabi. There are men who are born with facial deformities or are severe burn victims who find partners.) 3) Or standard looksmaxxing and make 6 figures a year, and go after older women who are broke and 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 02:35 PM
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How can you describe most as desirable men, and then use the TRP facebook group as an example, but also describe them as struggling. Desirable men don't struggle, by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 02:07 PM
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The point is, it's a one sided/selfish way of having a conversation with another human being. Men I've heard literally describe the experience as a interview or interrogation. Asking questions to get to know one another is part of any date, however, so is joking, exchanging stories, and letting the person voluntarily give out information in their own time. Consciously or subconsciously I think a lot of men think "Do I want to spend the rest of my life with someone who will talk to me as if they …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 02:04 PM
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IMO this place is for people with dating experience, who like to argue. Please leave, so that it doesn't warp your view of dating and relationships. 'Both sides' tend to talk in extremes, IMO. I find it fun, sometimes informative, but IMO the reality of dating and relationships doesn't fit into the blue pill/mainstream, red pill or black pill. The best advice IMO is looksmaxx (minus cosmetic surgery) and learn to have good communication skills (including conflict resolution skills). Then you'll …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 01:28 PM
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This video IMO gives a brilliant overview of Elliot Hulse (also talks about his experience with the King course)... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZyLMIyIWnI I followed Elliot from around 2011, I stopped watching him around the 'monk Elliot' phase. Then when I checked back on him he began promoting MAGA, Catholic, and trad life. IMO that that 1K is better spent on therapy and buying a good online exercise course. I don't trust the man, even when I used to like his content I thought the man's e…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:34 AM
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It's not about making the guy feel good though. Then why would the guy want to spend the rest of his life with someone who doesn't make him feel good? ​ Those questions can be asked over text. "Hey, I'm just checking that we're on the same page before we go on a date. Are you looking for a serious relationship? Because I'm looking for someone to marry and start a family with." Everything else can be found out through spending time and engaging in conversation with them, whilst making mental note…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 12:11 AM
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I think you got downvoted cos your post almost sounds like you believe that you can have a woman that is traditional, submissive but you still want her to have a personality. It's pretty normal outside of western nations to have trad wives who have personalities. Because personality is more than just having the trait of assertiveness, and being a trad wife means that they defer to the husband for leadership, but still can voice concerns or disagreements. No disrespect, but something I see with s…
/r/ExRedPill02/07/22 07:12 PM
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By 'curvy' do you mean fat or Thicc? (Genuine Question.)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 06:51 PM
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I had a 33 years old told me that she was looking for a father to her future son and started asking me questions about my career, my aspirations, where I saw myself in 10 years. A literal job interview… on the first date. I've heard men describe dating women who are 30+ as a job interview, always makes me laugh. What is baffling though is when I've seen women get told that it's an unpleasant experience for men, but they seem unable to empathize and see the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 06:48 PM
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I agree. (I have have no idea why I've been downvoted. All I said was being a trad wife doesn't mean that a woman is going to be boring and have no personality.)
/r/ExRedPill02/07/22 05:47 PM
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Average for 2022, sure Way above average (like the poster I was replying to said) in 2022? I need to move wherever you are if that's the case. I would be seen as a Tyrone, if he's considered way above average. No disrespect to Jason Alexander, but even I think he's aware that he's not the most handsome guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 03:06 PM
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I love Seinfeld, and I Jason Alexander acted his ass off, but I think you are elaborately trolling, or you have a standard of attractiveness not shared by the majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 03:04 PM
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I'm glad to read that you're working on self-acceptance. The best advice from the Red Pill and The Black Pill IMO to improve dating success is looksmaxxing; styling hair and beard, dressing well (in a fashion that's true to your personality), exercising, good posture, and eating healthy sized portions. Without changing your personality, those things will improve your dating success.
/r/ExRedPill02/07/22 02:49 PM
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How I Met Your Mom or Friends show the mid-looking, dorky, unambitious, timid men getting the pretty girls, That doesn't describe the men in HIMYM, they aren't timid or unambitious. I haven't seen Dorkiness stop guys from pretty girls, (timidity does). You think Barney's appearance is mid?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 02:39 PM
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George way above average? C'mon man.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 02:05 PM
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They describe the ideal woman as a submissive to their husband, stay at home mother, that doesn't mean she doesn't have a personality.
/r/ExRedPill02/07/22 10:35 AM
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That is not athletic to me but a bit overtrained. Most athletes don’t look like that, because that inhibits mobility. You believe the Atheletic physique shown would inhibit mobility? Do you know who Usain Bolt is? Usain Bolt's physique is similar to a majority of sprinter's, gymnast's, boxer's, physiques, soccer player's physiques, and they have exceptional mobility and speed. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-016ced97cdeeebf606ff5aa6ef4920fd.webp https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5b8d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 10:18 AM
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Does he mix bodybuilding and powerlifting? Because his body doesn't look like it's built soley through powerlifting. His pecs seem way too developed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 10:10 AM
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What I wrote was... happy and emotionally stable I didn't present a dichotomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 07:56 PM
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I watched that video today, and thought was great. The best video critiquing the manosphere that I've come across. I debate using OLD studies and data, but IMO she made a strong argument why OLD is probably not applicable to real life behaviour. I remember reading from James Gilligan that in order to therapeutically rehabilitate violent men, he had to 1) help them to heal/manage their shame-proneness and 2) help them to change their believe that masculinity = superiority/dominance over others. H…
/r/ExRedPill30/06/22 07:39 PM
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Heads up, there's a great book debunking The Red Pill... Red Pill Ideology: Lifting the Shiny Wrapping from the Manosphere By Cynthia Payne If your bro ever says something like "I wish the Red Pill wasn't true, but it's based on evidence and sound reasoning", that book points massive holes in the ideology.
/r/ExRedPill30/06/22 03:45 PM
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I find that very hard to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 08:35 AM
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I wonder why you don’t have romantic relationships though? I'm going to be completely honest, that actually hurt. I was actually down today thinking about it. Just so you know, I have chronic and life changing physical health problems for the past 6 years (to the point I was suicidal at one point due to the health problems creating chronic anxiety and acute insomnia), along with lifelong mental health problems. I'm had relationships in the past, but I've been single for a long time, largey due t…
/r/ExRedPill29/06/22 09:13 PM
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I don't know what type of women you aim for, but very few of my friends care about income as long as the person they're dating has motivation, drive, passion, etc. Have you heard of Hypergamy? Basically the observation that women in general do not choose partners below them socio-economically. Men are willing to date socio-economically below them. It seems that your friend may date man below them socio-economically, but want him to have traits which will mean he will eventually be on their level…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:11 PM
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and this study proves that you ​ I'm guessing you're mocking Red Pill guys use of studies, rather than mocking anyone using studies to find out how to maximize success in dating? ​ And they sure don’t listen to what actual women say they want. To be fair, there is a big difference based on studies between female stated preferences (what women say they want), and revealed preferences. what they actually do. Statistics of course do not apply to individuals, only to demographics. However, it's susp…
/r/ExRedPill29/06/22 03:24 PM
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This whole thing comes off as not ever having left high school mixed with thinking with your dick too much. Pretty Privilege/Beauty Premium has been researched in psychology. It's not a conclusion born from immaturity. There's research in the field of psychology that concludes that more attractive people have advantages that averagely or below average people don't have... https://www.lifeintelligence.io/blog/pretty-privilege-bias-what-we-can-do https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/stretching-…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 01:19 PM
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What do you use to determine what is and isn't a healthy weight? ( It's more complicated than even body fat percentage. For example; A bodybuilder can have a healthy body fat percentage, but be carrying too much muscle for their frame and it takes a toll on their organs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 10:26 AM
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, I never felt that my femininity was challenged or that my status among women was challenged. You put it better than I did, I waffled on. Using your prompt, I'll restate what I said... Men feel their masculinity and status amongst men is challenged if they get cheated on, so that's probably why physical cheating seems to be more psychologically devastating to men than women. I was speaking to a friend of mine about female cheating, and he said he would be more inclined to forgive his wife for c…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:43 AM
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I don't like BMI, because muscle mass weighs more than fat mass, so technically Savanna Prez and Vivi Winkler would likely be considered an unhealthy weight based on BMI, which IMO is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:22 AM
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I’m interested in understanding viewpoints different from my own. I respect that a lot, I do the same. I'm black, but I've spent a lot of time looking into White Nationalist communities. Something I disagree with regarding your assessment; It makes me laugh they’ve lost their shit for YEARS about the 80/20 graph and based their whole worldview on it, using it as definitive proof that women are shallow and unfair, but you pull up that study about how aging women prefer men their own age yet aging…
/r/ExRedPill29/06/22 06:47 AM
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I think it's partly biological instinct (sexual jealousy) and partly because of the humiliation. Another man having sex with your partner is IMO seen by (as Will Storr puts it) the 'imaginary crowd'/judges inside our minds and the judgements of male peers as being the ultimate act of male status destruction. The term 'cuck' was thrown around the past few years as an insult, probably because it's seen as an inherently humiliating description. I think it cuts so deeply because it's seen as humilia…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:34 PM
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The idea that to these men, I’m already living my peak when my life has literally just begun (and my adult life hasn’t even started yet) and in a few years I’ll be an ugly post-wall hag nobody wants infuriates me. Why do you think about what a small community of men think about you, if it infuriates you? Why don't you read or watch things that make you feel good? The Red Pill isn't mainstream.
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 09:31 PM
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Because they are at a healthy weight. As you probably know a healthy weight is relative to a person's skeleton, and the muscle to fat ratio. I doubt Doja Cat was having any health problems due to her weight when she weighed as much as she did in "Say so". Emmy Bre, Savanna Prez, and Vivi Winkler would be considered Slim Thicc, do you think they have an unhealthy weight? I hope so… we had a thicc trend somewhat so it did affect it, but not like what you describe at all. I honestly think it take a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 08:57 PM
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and then say they should not test them I don't tell people what to do, so I didn't say that people 'should' not do shit tests. I don't believe you're under any obligation to do anything. I hope everyone does what they believe is right, because I don't know everything, and I definitely don't know what's best for you in your situation. I'm just giving you my perspective. I said that I find it manipulative, and I don't like people I see as manipulative. Some men (like I see in the PUA/Red Pill/Dati…
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 05:58 PM
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But aren’t they slim with hourglass and fat distribution in “curve” areas. Their thighs and ass aren't big enough. They just have a good hip to waist ratio. But with celebs losing weight and removing BBL or implants I heard about that, I guess Continental Europe is safe from the Thicc invasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:35 PM
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I used e.g. meaning it was an example of a shit test.
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 01:04 PM
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​ Is Halle Berry slim thick? Is Doja Cat still that now that she has gotten in shape? Neither of them are considered Thicc now. It's interesting that Thicc hasn't caught on in Scandanavia based on what you are saying. I also don't believe it's caught on in Eastern Europe. Before the late 00s most white guys in the west were not in Thicc women. It's been really interesting to see how much culture can influence beauty standards. Growing up as a black guy here the UK, no white guys were into ass le…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 01:03 PM
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​ But you’ve just demonstrated that you don’t think that it’s morally wrong for women to take measures to ensure that they only have partners who will treat them as human. I believe it's good idea for both men and women to screen their partners. Which can be done through observing your partner, and asking questions and gauging their responses. A way to do it is not to ask a woman "do you like men", but to listen to how they speak about men, the male experience, past partners, etc, and to piece t…
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 12:50 PM
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A lot =/= the majority. It could be a high minority, like 30% or 40%. Amongst Gen Z it sounds like it could be a majority, due to them coming of age watching hardcore porn tubes and 50 Shades of Grey, along with BDSM going mainstream. It seems the younger women are more into being spanked, having hair pulled, choked and slapped. I'm guessing Boomer and Gen X women didn't request it that much. I also think it might be largely a western phenomenon.
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 12:30 PM
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I mean you can be fat and have a good fat distribution at the same time? I think you have difficulty understanding due to the cultural difference, I've tried explaining to the best of my ability. Voluptous (we don’t really have a word for that, full body maybe) is a specific type of fat imo. I think we would say ”carry the extra weight well” here. Interesting. Where is the limit though in regards to slim thick? Like is it skinny fat (with good fat distribution)? Muscles aren’t that though but hm…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 12:26 PM
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She's put on weight over the last few years. I didn't check her recent pics, she used to have a fit physique, with big hips, thighs and ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 12:19 PM
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OK, but these kinds of stories are still incredibly popular. The book series 50 Shades of Grey broke records. A lot of men (myself included) have had experiences of women literally asking to be choked and slapped. 365 days was an very popular series. Gangbang and rough sex are considerably more popular porn genres (according to pornhub data) for women, rather than men (they are in the top 10 searches for women, but not for men). Do you think it's false to say that a lot of women are aroused by t…
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 11:54 AM
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By extention, the male sexual fantasy is to sleep with an older mother figure. There are a lot of men and boys who fantasize about sleeping with MILFs, Cougars, Schoolteachers, their best friend's mothers, and college professors, etc, when they are young men or boys. many feminists made it a statement that 50 shades was proof that women can also enjoy sex. Shocking statement, because the man is quite literally abusive and stalks her. If he made minimum wage and was a racial minority, I think it …
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 11:47 AM
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Yeah, good fat distribution. But it's not what most people (outside of continental Europe, Eastern Europe, and East/South East Asia) would call fat. There's a difference between a voluptuous body (attractive fat distribution) and a fat body to the rest of the world. A Slim Thicc figure can also be built though the gym e.g. bulking and focusing on building the muscles of the legs and ass. Like many women are doing these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:42 AM
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I didn’t know they go crazy over abs because so many claim that they don’t care of superficial qualities like body, however my experience shows otherwise. This has been replicated multiple times, the no. 1 predictor of initial romantic interest for both sexes is physical attractiveness. In the speed dating experiments, they tested what people said they were looking for vs what hey actually responded to. "The strongest predictor of attraction for both sexes was partners' physical attractiveness. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:39 AM
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Thicc basically means big hips, big thighs, and plump ass (or at least a combination of the 2). Slim/Fit Thicc means a flat stomach and big hips, big thighs and plump ass (or at least a combination of the 2), and relative to a naturally small frame. Thicc = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pok8H_KF1FA Slim/Fit Thicc = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TkQL-M39Fo or Amara La Negra.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:20 AM
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Screening tests = shit test in RP. Women saying or doing things to provoke a response, and then judging your response. Rather than directly asking questions to screen, they will say or do something intentional to indirectly screen. e.g. saying something to intentional insult or piss off a guy, to see how they respond when insulted or pissed off. I personally find it manipulative/abusive behaviour.
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 11:06 AM
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I think it's honest to say there seems to be a significant number of women who seem to fantasize about it. 50 shades of Grey and 365 days were/are very popular books and movies depicting women falling in love with abusive men, and they were primarily popular with women. Men thought they were trash movies. Also, a surprising (for me at least) amount of women seem to like being slapped, choked, and called degrading names in the bedroom. The popularity of abuser romance and degrading sex shocked me…
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 10:59 AM
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That’s not so weird, it was the standard for a long time and even in the so called 50s, the look was still playmate over modern ideals. IMO you are talking about White and Asian beauty standards. Hispanic, Black, Pacific Islander, cultures have preferred Thicc or Slim Thicc women for a long time. Edit: I see you acknowledged that it varies by racial demographic in another answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:45 AM
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IME once a woman hits their 30s women (apart from Asian and Black women, which has scientific backing why) women can't rely on primarily genetics to look good, they need to put in a lot of hard work because by mid 30s, pieces have fallen off. Cougars and MILFs spend a lot of time, effort and money into looking good into their 40s and 50s.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:40 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGbf-aK3YxU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbnvpzlhn8c
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 08:12 AM
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That definitely sounds like the shit-tests that RP guys are talking about. More so than OP's description.
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 08:05 AM
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Self-Compassion By Kristen Neff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SPywoJWlxg Opening Up By Writing It Down by James W. Pennebaker and Joshua M. Smyth - Comprehensive guide to how to write for emotional well being based on numerous studies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjEr0xiXqio Watch My Back By Geoff Thompson - Autobiography of a man that went from crippling depression, to being an international author, screenplay writer, and martial arts teacher. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7qngam9aCQ …
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 07:45 AM
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Yeah, Devon is what made me think he's a grifter. If I could only pick 1 person out of that group who I would say is primarily motivated by money, it's Donovan Sharpe.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 02:23 AM
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and when you make red pill content, if you don’t genuinely believe what you’re saying then you risk destroying your reputation for something you don’t even believe that doesn’t even pay that well. Controversial niches can be very lucrative. They are less saturated, and have a lower barrier to entry because few are willing to risk the backlash like you say. ​ Overall it seems like it would have a pretty low ROI so it doesn’t seem like the type of content creation to get into if you only want to m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 10:37 PM
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JustPearlyThings - I find her podcast entertaining at times, but IMO she literally - at times word for word - repeats Rollo Tomassi's talking points. Basically a feminine version of Myron Gaines. RealFemSapien - In an age gap relationship, and promotes traditional gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 10:20 PM
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Why not just practice putting on a condom in private? It's not difficult man. You're gonna swear off sex because you won't practice putting on a condom alone?
/r/ExRedPill27/06/22 06:56 PM
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I would hope people find their spouses attractive lol otherwise why date them? Then I don't understand why your response to OP was, "I definitely want to be attracted to the person I'm in a relationship with" What was that in response to? OP didn't disagree or imply otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 06:45 PM
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You reminded me of that reporter who went to a swingers club in Sweden and was getting banged whilst doing an interview... https://nypost.com/2021/06/01/danish-journalist-has-sex-during-interview-for-segment-on-swingers-club/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:40 PM
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Ok, but do you understand the fallacy of extapolating the population of (even specifically black) women as a whole, based on your own personal experience? It's like some men who think all women are gold diggers or disloyal who will break up with men at the drop of hat, based on personal experience and the experience of his friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:28 PM
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That sounds like a rationalization to me. Or fatalistic, as if you the marriages break apart like a force of nature, rather than choice (and/or poor choice in partner). There are successful long term marriages. Statistics apply to large populations, not individual couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:26 PM
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Bro... I ain't gonna lie to you. That link is true, IME. Sexual intimacy, even in the context of a casual relationship, is amazing. Your mental health and worldview is your priority right now, IMO. Improving your dating and relationships prospects via improving your socio-economics status, combined with GeoMaxxing and Looksmaxxing are secondary. (Research I've read concludes that one of the best predictors of a happy relationship, is being happy before you are in a relationship. Relationships ca…
/r/ExRedPill27/06/22 01:50 PM
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I agree, and I understand what you are saying about the need for more analysis based on demographics. They already did a breakdown of age and religion in the first link I just posted. Here's a further breakdown including religion and race... https://ifstudies.org/blog/predicting-infidelity-an-updated-look-at-who-is-most-likely-to-cheat-in-america My friends are in the late 20’s early 30’s range. 18-29 was the demographic where men and women cheat at approx the same rate, so it sounds like your f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 12:28 PM
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IMO if you think the majority of compliments you are getting are fake, then I think you're sound like you're surrounded by shitty people (and the issue is your social circle), and/or you have self esteem issues. Also, I don't think you can comprehend what it's like to go a year without a single compliment from a person. I don't think most women could handle that, tbh - simply because they are used to receiving compliments.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 12:17 PM
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That’s why I said they should look at specific groups. You mean race demographics of men and women? Because idk any woman who cheats. My friends would just leave you. That would explain the high divorce rate in black households.We’re usually completely finished when cheating is involved. The women have no problem leaving the men. How old are your friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 12:05 PM
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Good luck, buddy! This Asian-American dude moved to Thailand. Honestly watching this video from him made me want to move. Dude went from the American rate race, to living a fulfilling life... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_j1rQjScCSA
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 11:54 AM
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Statistic apply to population, not individuals. I know plenty of women who cheated. Our personal experiences will also vary, but that doesn't invalidate the statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 11:53 AM
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It's called Geomaxxing, buddy. A lot of guys are waking up to this, which is it seems partly why there's a growing trends of guys are becoming expats, digital nomads or english teachers abroad. Location can widen or shrink dating opportunities. Race also plays a key factor based on location. Regarding the green card (or even just wanting you for money) thing... From what I've seen yes that is an obvious danger, and it does happen a lot. From what I've seen, men who had a lot of sexual partners a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 11:41 AM
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It’s men who enjoy having multiple women and sex partners. Even while in a relationship A US based study I saw concluded that between the ages of 18-29 men and women cheat at approximately the same rate. Men being the cheaters is what happened to older Millenials, Gen X and Boomer generations, not young Millennials and Gen Z. https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america Based on personal observation, I believe the above study is probably accurate (there need…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 11:31 AM
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A scientific theory is literally a fact. A non-scientific theory is called a hypothesis in the scientific method. People often confuse a theory and a scientific theory, they are 2 different things. The earth revolving around the sun is a scientific theory. Which is a scientific fact is. A scientific theory is the highest merit that the results of applying the scientific method can achieve. It means that a hypothetical model has been tested, and not only have the model and experiments been peer r…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 10:27 AM
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What guy genuinely wants to date a girl who is less good looking I strongly recommend reading the Paradox of Choice by Barry Scwarthz. Basically, people who are always looking for the bigger, better, deal, are unhappier than people who are looking to have their pre-existing criteria matched. What you need and what is an ideal are 2 different things, so constantly looking for your ideal tends to make men and women perpetually single, or dissatisfied with their current partner based on nothing mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 10:16 AM
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Being more attractive than your partner doesn't automatically mean your partner is unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 10:13 AM
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​ Also, 60 percent of male suicides have no history of mental health issues. For those men without mental health issues, All that shows is they don't go to the doctor's and speak about their mental health problems, so they have no record of mental health problems. Or do you honestly think that people who are happy and emotionally stable commit suicide? ​ guns are a more likely method of choice Men killing themselves at 3-4 times the rate women do is true on every country on the planet, from the …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 04:16 AM
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I don’t know if you’re a traditionalist. I'm not. ​ I don’t know about the peer pressure for age gap relationships. I think that there are many people that would be okay if you were with an older rich guy. ​ I believe there is a huge social stigma for the younger person and the older person, for being in age gap relationship. I believe it's the only stigma in the mainstream, every other 'taboo' in dating is accepted by mainstream culture; interracial dating, same-sex, dating transpeople, etc. A …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:28 PM
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No I meant the ability to think independently, evaluate based on experience, support yourself financially, regulate your emotions, and not be as amendable to peer pressure and group think. I see. Yeah, and older woman is more likely to have those traits, however I don't think the all or the majority of men who date younger (e.g. men in 30s dating women in early 20s or men in 40s and 50s dating mid 20s) are searching for women who have an absence of those things. After all, a woman who gives heav…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:52 PM
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I disagree even if you drop it down to 30 that’s still too old mentally for many men as the naïveté and immaturity are a big selling point The men you have in mind sound like predators, who would date younger if it was legal. Why do you seem to believe that makes up the majority of men who are above 30 who like women in their early 20s? Is that based on personal experience and listening to Red Pill men? not so poorly intended Do you believe that it's age gap relationships are inherently unethica…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 02:25 PM
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I just hate looksmaxxing and taking care of my looks the way women have to. Makeup, skincare, anti aging treatments, keeping your body model thin, hair removal etc.. I hear you. Please remember though, you don't 'have to'. You're under no obligation or rule to do so. If you hate it, then why not stop doing it? Attractive men are just naturally attractive and all they need is an occasional haircut and gym membership. Getting a ripped body is not as easy as you seem to think. It requires years of …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 01:01 PM
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Health doesn't last forever, so based on your reasoning it's not important to do what's necessary to maintain good health long term? (i.e. exercise multiple times a week and eating healthy daily). Everything is temporary, nothing lasts forever, so does that mean kindness, laughter, connections, or life isn't important? And averagely attractive woman (part from the one genetically predisposed to having a hard time losing weight) do not need to put that much effort looking pretty. Just don't be ov…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:19 PM
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You don't have to be Stacy tier looks to be considered pretty by men. A Stacy is like a 8-9/10 in looks. Women below can still be considered pretty by men. Men do not have insane standards, IME.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 12:09 PM
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I have a theory that the mainstream is less of a thing now than thirty or forty years ago due to the rise of accessibility, especially via the internet. All subcultures are a little mainstream now and the mainstream itself is weak (and heavily influenced by the most prominent subcultures). Wow! I actually think that might be accurate. I'm gonna think on that. I wrote to another guy in this thread, and I've found in interesting that EDM, Hip Hop and bodybuilding were bondafide sub-cultures in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 11:12 AM
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I think that's such an important point. Red Pill video makers rarely make that distinction. "See every woman wants a 6 foot man who makes 6 figures, with 6 pack abs!"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 11:10 AM
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Maybe I’m just getting old but it seems like every Zoomer dresses and acts in a similar way. They got the broccoli haircuts and say “bussin” and “no cap” I think that is just age. The majority of people have been normies, meaning following whatever was trending in the mainstream. Sub-cultures are always smaller, and are outside the view of the mainstream. So, I'm guessing you don't see those sub-cultures. (As you may know) EDM festivals and clubs were a sub-culture in Europe the 90s, there was a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 11:09 AM
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They like younger women because of their looks but if tomorrow all women looked 22 and they stayed that way forever many men would still go for actual 22 year olds over 22 year olds with the mind of 40 year olds because they want women that are more naive, trainable and who are more likely to pedestalize them. Or because the women - on average - will on score higher on average in openness and agreeableness, whereas 40 year old women will likely score lower on openness and agreeableness. Meaning …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:31 AM
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I’m talking about men that are into younger women for more than just looks and red pill men often fall into that category. Thought you were discussing the same. Not all men like much younger women. I disagree with using Red Pill men as the standard for men who like younger women. I believe that most men (in the west) who like younger women, aren't Red Pill. It seems like we just have a fundamental disagreement on that. Based on OPs question, I believe that the majority of men would choose a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:51 AM
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So if red pill men think they’re high value then their videos on what they want are applicable to themselves are they not? Yes. I was talking men on average (in the West), not a small sub set of men though. I had the opposite experience. I experienced benefits and drawbacks with both. I agree there are positive and negatives. However, my life experience has taught me that older women generally are more likely to be vindictive. Karen's aren't young, usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:35 AM
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Red Pill men IMO = 'playboy conservatives'. They also explictly say they are talking about what 'high value men' want, not what the average man wants. They openly say that 'high value men' are a small minority of men. They say that the majority of men are Betas. I don't think the majority of men (in the west at least) think like that. ​ Looks are just one piece of the pie. The naïveté and all that comes with it is the other piece. For some men, no doubt. However looks + Openness to new experienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:27 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean by "independence" but I'm guessing (based on hearing other women describe it) you mean a woman who score low on agreeableness and is financially self sufficient. There's plenty of women who score high on agreeableness and are poor who are mature. Also there are women who practice traditional gender roles who are mature and not independent, they can be found in practically every society apart from the West. ​ You kind of negate yourself if it was about looks then the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:09 AM
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Do you do much warm approaching? Meaning talking to women who are acquaintances in your social circle. Most guys aren't good looking enough that they get random attention without effort from women. Most men have to generate attention.
/r/ExRedPill26/06/22 03:45 AM
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No, a lot of the desire for younger women is also based on their naïveté and impressionableness. It’s not just because of their looks. I've never gotten that impression from the most men (I'm not talking about Red Pillers). What I've gotten is it's primarily about looks, and I've even known men acknowledge that women 18-25 aged look great, but they are too immature for a relationship. This topic of course is difficult for a lot of women to deal with, so I think some think it's primarily about ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 03:30 AM
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Are you only interested in very attractive girls?
/r/ExRedPill26/06/22 03:21 AM
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I don't think their problems would cease to exist, average men of all races seem to be reporting the struggle (in the West at least). The racepill IMO applies to any non-white minority in a country where their race isn't the majority, because their dating pool is smaller as a result. However, the Chad tier guys of any race don't have problems. I agree that it's a good idea not to be self-defeatist. IMO the racepill can be good for self esteem, and realizing the issue may be location, and that Ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 08:59 PM
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Behind a paywall, they are referred to in the study I presented. I posted an excerpt posted on the net for free, that doesn't have hyperlinks. Are you in college? If you click the study and use your student pass you can read them, and tell me if I'm mistaken or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 06:53 PM
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Did you not read the bolded? There have been multiple studies that came to the same conclusion. I posted 2 studies, 1 of the studies referred to 4 other studies. 6 studies vs 1 studies. Which speed dating conclusions has more evidence? The conclusion with 6 studies backing it, or the conclusion with 1 study backing it? I've come to the conclusion you must be trolling, or you're not bothering to read post properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 06:49 PM
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I posted a speed dating experiment, you said it's not repeatable You misunderstood what I wrote, What replication means is that you do the same experiment, and see if it gives the same result. Speed dating to test what men and women are interested in has been done multiple times, and multiple times it concludes men and women prioritize looks. So based on 1 speed dating study which has conclusion X vs 6 speed dating studies which come to the another conclusion Y, do you believe that conclusion X …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 06:46 PM
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I posted speed dating experiments, so they are replicating speed dating experiments. You posted studies about questionnaires and personal ads, so they aren't replicating the same experiment. Replication means a like for like experiment. A speed dating for a speed dating experiment is a like for like. There's a difference between stated preferences vs revealed preferences. Questionnaires are just stated preferences, people lie and virtue signal all the time. How do we know if they are being hones…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 06:37 PM
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Those weren't speed dating experiments, so they aren't replications. Replication refers to repeating the same experiment. Please read the link I provided you before, if you want to learn more. Do you understand the difference between stated preferences (what people say) vs revealed preferences (what they actually do)? Speed dating studies are important because they test both stated preferences and revealed preferences. Your studies are about questionnaires and personal dating ads (stated prefere…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 06:32 PM
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If a result can't be replicated then it's invalid, that's a foundation of the scientific method. Please research into the importance of replication... https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/straight-talk/201511/replication-problems-in-psychology 2) That's literally what you just did. I just posted a study including a partial meta-analysis (meaning a study that looks at multiple studies) and another study that concluded that both sexes prioritize looks. However you dismiss them. So if it's wrong…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:53 PM
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Do you know what 'no sex differences' and 'both sexes' means? Or are you just trolling now? It seems that you are not wiling to consider that perhaps you've formed a wrong conclusion about the nature of men and women. ​ "However, as a predictor of romantic interest, there were no sex differences. Only the responders’ perception of the targets’ physical attractiveness predicted romantic interest; specifically, responders’ who rated the targets’ physical attractiveness as higher than themselves re…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:48 PM
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Literally shows women put more weight in inteligence than attractiveness 1 study vs 1 meta-analysis and a study which concludes men and women value looks as much as each other. In science replication of a results carries more weight than a single result. Replication of speed dating backs up that women care about looks as much as men, not what your single study concluded. ​ And in here men care more about attractiveness than women do. You didn't read the link properly. What the link said is that …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:39 PM
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Literally shows women put more weight in inteligence than attractiveness 1 study vs 1 meta-analysis and a study which concludes men and women value looks. In science replication of results carries more weight than a single result And in here men care more about attractiveness than women do. You didn't read the link. What the link said is that when it came to state preferences men rated looks as no. 1 whereas women rated other traits as no. 1. However, when it came to revealed preferences (what t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:38 PM
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No, I just posted 2 speed dating studies (one was a meta-analysis). I'll post them again for you. I hope you read them this time... "The strongest predictor of attraction for both sexes was partners' physical attractiveness." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19558447/ "Only the responders’ perception of the targets’ physical attractiveness predicted romantic interest; specifically, responders’ who rated the targets’ physical attractiveness as higher than themselves reported more romantic interest…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:24 PM
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True, dating online not just online dating. So were you referring to being online as 'reality' too then?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:19 PM
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How does that link back up anything you've said? Also, do you think that the study you linked puts women in a good light? In fact it concludes this... ​ Women put greater weight on the intelligence and the race of partner, we find that women exhibit a preference for men who grew up in affluent neighborhoods. So combined with the other 2 studies on Speed dating that I posted; men and women care about looks first and foremost, however women care more than men about race and socio-economic status. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:13 PM
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"Meeting online has become the most popular way U.S. couples connect, Stanford sociologist finds Rosenfeld, a lead author on the research and a professor of sociology in the School of Humanities and Sciences, drew on a nationally representative 2017 survey of American adults and found that about 39 percent of heterosexual couples reported meeting their partner online, compared to 22 percent in 2009." https://news.stanford.edu/2019/08/21/online-dating-popular-way-u-s-couples-meet/#:~:text=Rosenfe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:08 PM
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I think we're done here. 1) You've presented no data or studies to back up your assertions. I've presented multiple. It seems your perspective is based on nothing but personal experience. 2) You selectively address data and studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 05:03 PM
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There has been a myth perpetuated that women primarily care about personality, and that men in contrast care about external traits. Research doesn't back that up... Looks are the no. 1 predictor of initial romantic interest for men and women. "The strongest predictor of attraction for both sexes was partners' physical attractiveness." "Only the responders’ perception of the targets’ physical attractiveness predicted romantic interest; specifically, responders’ who rated the targets’ physical att…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 04:56 PM
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Would you like to respond to the rest of the post? Like the evidence (from a link that you've cited in another post on PPD i.e. the Pew research) about more men than women are actively dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 04:49 PM
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You didn't read this part? Measuring the number of partners instead of sexual frequency*, the top 20% most promiscuous men account for about 60% of male sexual partnerings, and the trend is, again, quite stable over time."* Also, why have you ignored the other stat where 28% of men report no sex in a year vs 18% of women? Let's combined that with Pew research... Of men and women actively looking for a partner... 22% of men are looking for a casual relationship only vs 18% of women. That's a 4 pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 04:38 PM
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You replied so quickly that I don't think you are reading any of the data. It seem you've already made up your mind? ​ Once again, all data you have is from dating apps, which don't represent real life. ​ Here we go (before you probably dismiss it by saying "That's just sex". People in relationships have sex, so if you're not in a relationship you're not having sex. The stats don't distinguish between who is in a relationship and having sex, and who isn't. However, overall... More men are having…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 04:05 PM
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Swipes and attraction aren't the same thing. That's why I included women literally rating men (they rated the majority of men as below a 5, in contrast men rated the majority of woman as a 5), and women liking men's profiles on dating apps (women liked fewer men on dating apps). Did you not read the links I provided? ​ First of all there's way more men that women in dating apps I agree, and however the dynamics are the same offline and on social media. Women are pickier than men, offline or onli…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 03:47 PM
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Who said that's true? Sorry, I forget at times that no everyone is clued up. Tinder swipes... https://www.elle.com/uk/life-and-culture/culture/news/a31293/men-swipe-right-on-tinder-more-than-women-study-confirms/ OK cupid attraction ranking... https://techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/okcupid-inbox-attractive/ And OP is basically saying that women think they look better than they do due to social media attention, but the same happens for men. Men don't get as much attention from women as women do from m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 02:23 PM
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I'm genuinely curious why you responded with that, to what OP wrote? He was saying that the limitations of proximity are gone, and so competition is higher for men. Seeing as men are the initiators, and men find more women desirable than women find men desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 01:54 PM
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Then I hope women simply don't sleep with those men that refuse to use condoms. I don't know what point you were trying to make?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 12:47 PM
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There's a book called; Red Pill Ideology: Lifting the Shiny Wrapping from the Manosphereby Cynthia Payne Which goes point by point through the Red Pill claims. ​ I know there are billions of women on earth and I don’t want to believe they’re out to ruin a man’s life but the truth is, what woman wants a fucking loser with emotions? It’s hard to even fathom a woman respecting a beta male like me It sounds to me like you have a lot of self-hate. You seem to believe you are unworthy or respect and l…
/r/ExRedPill25/06/22 10:57 AM
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I agree, that's nonsense. Women can cheat for all kinds of reasons. Women can be lust fuelled just like men can be. Red Pillers are naive when they declare that women can't/don't cheat for primarily reasons of lust, and women only have sex to 'get something'. Women like sex too, and sometimes they just want to have sex with people other than their partners.
/r/ExRedPill25/06/22 10:53 AM
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they literally are caucasian, Do you believe that there are 3 races, Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid? That's an old classification. If so, do you know that South Asian people are considered part of the Caucasoid classification? The Caucasian category doesn't mean white, it was (it's now considered outdated) a way of classify peoples with shared ancestry. Perhaps you are confusing the old use of the term, with the modern use of the term which means white? Arabs and South Asians have their own cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 09:27 AM
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firstly, this study is old and only really takes america into account, The Are you interested App and OKCupid are international. The data and study are 10 years old, I don't think it's that old. ​ middle eastern and hispanic are just white with extra steps I don't think anyone would confuse the average Arab woman as white. (Based on the above quote, and the comment about men probably only choosing Asian women due to being in good shape) Are you trying to argue that white women really are the uni…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 08:36 AM
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Fair enough. I respect that you are talking from experience. I'm not going to gaslight you and pretend I know about your own experience better than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 09:19 PM
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Are you talking from real life experience of being a part of non-mainstream communities, or what you think would happen? Normies/mainstream guys are generic and boring to women that are deep into subcultures, or they simply aren't in their proximity. I can tell you from experience that the prettiest girl I've got with was due to me being in LGBT bars with a bisexual friend, and me being one her few options. I'm an average looking guy, and she was exceptionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 07:11 PM
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I agree there's no way to looksmaxx to get a Chad tier face, because it's genetic'. However, thankfully an average dude with a muscular body can still evoke lust in average looking women, especially if that guy communicates with confidence. Open body language increases attractiveness... https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1508932113 A masculine physique increases attractiveness (height and face are genetic, but physique and strength - which was part of attraction, and is under our control…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 04:19 PM
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they don't fit into the more narrowly defined conventional beauty standards for men. Yeah, that requires looksmaxxing. The conventional standards involve being ripped, having good teeth, good fashion sense, and good hair grooming.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 04:00 PM
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Are you talking about forming a relationship or a booty call? If so, yeah... People rarely care about interests for sex. Also, I said that they bias towards men who have share their interests (like research concludes), I didn't say they were exclusively interested in men who share their interests. I'm also not talking about the LARPers or egirls who do cosplay, or do exercise for IG and Tiktok fame. (In case you are thinking about them.) I'm talking about the genuine female nerds who were 'weird…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 03:56 PM
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They do, as long as the nerdy/goth/lifter is ALSO attractive I believe that they'll be willing to date less attractive guys than they can get outside of their sub-culture. The difference between "geek" and "creepy" is usually how you look. I've heard that kind of thing when guys talk about how mainstream/party girls are when they say they they like a 'geek'. Usually is a chad looking geek. Real geek girls likely be satisfied an average faced dude, who is more obsessed than she is with geek pursu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 03:16 PM
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I think those are great and important questions to ask, and I always advise everyone to do what is accordance with their sense of integrity and values. I also advise people not to compromise health (which may be ironic since I talk about looksmaxxing). I hope that anyone who read it wouldn't take it to extremes. However, to be honest a lot of men don't exercise and that is bad for health long term, so IMO whatever motivates them to start exercising can be of benefit (e.g. to get more options dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 03:07 PM
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Women don’t go to these places because they can’t get laid at home. I agree. They just happen to be on vacation and making time for pleasure I can tell that here in Europe places like Ibiza have been notorious since the 90s as being about EDM, alcohol/drugs and sex. The same is true for Bali and Australians, apparently. People don't go to those places without indulging in all 3. I've heard the stories from people I've known, and have seen the documentaries. I think that a lot of women go to thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 02:45 PM
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You know that only around 1% of streamers get any kind of significant views, right? She's a streamer too. She has been part of a Twitch group of streamers that got decent views. So a nerd streamer dating a nerd streamer. Same as with your example. Anecdotal niches don't make the rule. Do you honestly not believe that; nerd girls tend to go for nerd guys, goth girls tend to go for goth guys, strength training girls tend to go for strength training guys, bodybuilding girls tend to go for bodybuild…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 02:01 PM
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One Tyrone I knew was 5"8. Some people on a universal scale are getting women wet (Chad's, Tyrones, Changs, etc), however I believe it's also relative to the girl. If she perceives you as significantly more attractive than herself. What I'm saying may be backed up by some research; "Only the responders’ perception of the targets’ physical attractiveness predicted romantic interest; specifically, responders’ who rated the targets’ physical attractiveness as higher than themselves reported more ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 01:20 PM
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Ayindei is 5"10, and one Chad (Tyrone actually) was 5"8-5"7 but had the face of model. Face trumps height, IMO. I get what you are saying though. I think that men can create that level of lust within the context of a relationship, by having a good sex game, and by resistance training and keeping a relatively low body fat percentage. I think a partner can lust after us as much as I've seen random girls lust and simp after Chad and Tyrone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 12:31 PM
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Not as much as guys that's for sure. I agree. But even if they are aometimes, it's very situational; even if it's not primarily the guy that makes her feel special and hot, it's the situation, context or "phase" she's in. Again, I think that most men just don't evoke lust in women. I've been friends with 4 and am related to 1 - who bring out a level of lust in women that average men simply rarely (if ever) experience. I would spot women eyefucking them all the time, and my 31 year old friend had…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 11:27 AM
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I understand. It would take financial planning of course, and they would have to try to find employment in those countries or online. Practically any job that's done via a computer can be done remotely or via freelancing on Fiverr or Upwork. Any man with a college degree can teach English, after getting a TEFL certificate. $1000 a month is a enough to live off in South East Asia (apart from Singapore).
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 10:41 AM
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That doesnt disprove my point. "Findig dick" does not imply just any dick What did you mean exactly by women don't go out looking for dick? Do you believe that women don't want sex without some deeper emotional meaning? That they can't just be driven by lust?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 10:24 AM
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Because to me it just sounds like just be rich, not just be white, Even in the west Asian women strongly desire white men. Every other race of women tends to date within their own race, the women who date out more than any other race is Asian women and they tend to go for white men. Here's some research (literally all races of women who will date interracially prefer whit men); https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/ https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 10:17 AM
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It doesn't cost much money to live in South East Asia, or Latin America. I assure you. You do not need to have a middle class income. I think you'll be surprised how many men do not believe that Geomaxxing would improve their dating opportunities. You may think the solution is 'stupid', but what is actually IMO ridiculous is men trying to debate women into finding them attractive. Radical problems need radical solutions. Looksmaxxing and Geomaxxing = improved dating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 10:09 AM
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80% of men aren't sexless, it's a nonsense stat. But I'll just guess because of the quotation marks you're talking about men who struggle with dating. Regardless... For white guys there's a solution, Looksmaxx and Geomaxx by going to live in a South East or East Asian country. 'Just Be White' theory seem to be legit in Asia. Dudes of other race can Looksmaxx and find countries to Geomaxx to that improve their looks rating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 09:05 AM
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Alcohol and pills are the drugs of choice in Ibiza, Ayia Napa, Cancun and Bali from; friends reports, youtube and documentary series. Ibiza is notorious here in Europe for being the summer centre of nightclubs, drugs and sex for 18-30 year olds. I'm guessing you are talking about Burning Man?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 08:44 AM
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A horny woman who goes out to town to find dick is a myth, a male fantasy or at the very least an exception. Bruh... Ibiza, Ayia Napa, Bali, Cancun, Burning Man, Coachella, are notorious for thousands upon thousands of young women each year who do just that. Happens every week in nightclubs around the world too. I personally think youtuber Ayindei is probably right (he worked as a male stripper, is a bodybuilder, and has a naturally handsome face) most men do not evoke lust in women, because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 07:51 AM
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Based on research I've seen, you're correct. It doesn't predict a happy and fulfilling relationship. It just means you're more likely to be picked for a relationship... Among more than 11,000 long-term couples, machine learning models found that the traits listed below, in a mate, were among the least predictive of happiness with that mate. Let’s call these traits the Irrelevant Eight, as partners appear about as likely to end up happy in their relationship when they pair off with people with an…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 07:46 AM
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Looks are the no. 1 predictor of initial romantic interest for women and men; (Note; this has been replicated multiple times, meta analysis below) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19558447/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5519305/ Looksmaxxing is the no. 1 thing any man can do to improve their dating success, then game. The Red Pill unfortunately teaches minimal interest in looksmaxxing, when evidence shows things like; dental work, seeing a dermatologist, having an appointment with …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 07:30 AM
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He's talking about getting a first date, let alone sex or a relationship. In your experience any man who is average or below in a major city in the US is an incel who never dates? You never seen average looking young dudes with women in major cities in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 08:38 PM
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Can you please provide a link to your earlier comment where you say you address it? ​ https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/vigbal/as_a_man_i_think_the_men_here_greatly/idcvm8a/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 ​ I myself would happily pay $15 more per month in taxes for comprehensive and universal mental healthcare to be extended to all citizens. Universal mental healthcare exists in a number of countries here in Europe. It's better than nothing, but it isn't an ultimat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:45 PM
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Most people do date within their own race, so generally speaking what you are saying isn't true. White women are not as chased after as you may think, on OLD at least. Interracial message data from the App are you interested and OK cupid show that Asian women, Hispanic women, and Middle Eastern women were more popular than white women for men, and they tend to have dark hair and brown eyes. https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/ https://www.huffingt…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:09 PM
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And the only reason you ignore the number of attempts My post started this thread, and it directly addressed suicide attempts vs successful suicides. I don't want to repeat myself, so please go back and read it in case you haven't already. because you are trying to make some point about how men have it worse You can't quote me saying that, because I didn't. You're not a mind reader. But the fact that they have more successful completions is only proof that being generally more impulsive, they ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 12:15 PM
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The fact that 80% of suicide attempts in Afghanistan are made by women: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44370711.amp India has 40% of the world's female suicides, etc. and these countries are notoriously not good for women. Men kill themselves at a higher rate than women in those nations. There are 49 countries that score lower than China on the gender equality index, so based on your reasoning, we would expect to see women kill themselves at a higher rate than men. That isn't reality, men s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 11:58 AM
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The variability of culture has a greater effect on women. Based on what evidence? For men, the overwhelming evidence suggests that they will tend commit more often than women no matter how much the society is catered to their particular sensibilities, Which societies do you believe cater to men's mental health? Do you consider yourself a feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 11:37 AM
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lack of care for mental health is the only reason that men commit suicide in larger numbers than women basically everywhere in the world and biology has nothing to do with it these guys are basically trying to argue that every other country prioritizes women's mental health Quote me where I said that. If you aren't directing that at me... Please disregard what you've heard from some other men, and please treat me as an individual. It seems you change your reasoning when women are concerned. Whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 11:33 AM
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They are, however, the reason men will always commit suicide more often than women, How do you explain China? The country with the biggest population in the world is China, and women kill themselves at a slightly higher rate than men. Do you believe Chinese women have higher testosterone levels than Chinese men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 11:06 AM
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LOL! I now see what you mean, I've heard that crap on some manosphere channels.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 11:03 AM
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its the old male trick "if i dont get laid the world gonna end tomorrow" Can you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 10:31 AM
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Sincere 'blunt but friendly uncle' advice... The sooner you give up 'shoulding' people, the happier you'll be. Ultimately it's their life, and they have the right to make their own decisions. I'm not saying to never engage in discussion or debate with anyone (I do), but just that it's reality to recognize that ultimately everyone has the right to their own worldview. I've seen no evidence that 'shoulds' exist outside of people's minds. I leave that out of my vocabulary e.g. 'Should' 'have to' 'm…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 10:24 AM
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I agree that dating is different, and harder, based on age. Honestly dude, sounds like your problem is your location. Where I live, I see young dudes who aren't as you describe with GFs (even pretty ones) literally every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 10:04 AM
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the requirements to be able to get a first date, let alone be considered hot or dateable are significantly harder to meet. You have to be tall, in shape, stony jawline, hunter eyes, full head of hair, be able to grow facial hair, have a good voice, needs to have good bone structure and so many other qualifications. Where do you live that men who don't look as you described don't get first dates? Do you not see men who don't look the way you described with partners where you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 09:35 AM
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I don't think we can discuss this properly on this sub. The 'experts' on this issue IME are found in 'the pill that can't be named'. That community discusses what is generally attractive to women, and what is 'niche' attractive to women, they also break down what women generally find attractive based on age. There's also a big race pill when it comes to physical attractiveness, which I don't think we can discuss (e.g. women around the world seem to get weak in the knees for men with blue or gree…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 08:48 AM
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Men are more likely to commit suicide for the exact same reason they are more likely to commit violent crime: testosterone. ​ Please do not write off the men's suicidal pain in their life as simply due to testosterone, please treat them like you likely would a woman, and look at the social and personal influences. If you have, or have a son, please do not simply write of mental health problems that can motivate them to suicidal ideation as simply being due to testosterone. They could have been p…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 08:35 AM
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Sounds like you’re purposely misreading OP’s post. Sounds like you’re purposely misreading OP’s post. You're right he never said that, I was assumed that was his implicit conclusion, but it was wrong of me to assert with certainty that. It wasn't purposeful, it was due to negligence BTW. I've edited the post.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 08:23 AM
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I completely agree that what I wrote applies to the Western World only. I'm going to edit my original post to put that in, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 08:15 AM
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Men or women? Men have more access to lethal means like i said They're not killing themselves with guns. Men and women have equal access to quick ways of killing themselves. I can't go into details about means because I will get banned. However, it's not guns or hunting equipment, or anything that is normally a male interest/hobby. Your assumption is wrong. There are ways of killing yourself without using a gun where people can't save you, women do not use those methods generally. I live in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:00 PM
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This is not exclusive to America, or any country where citizens have guns. It's literally the same around the globe. The only nation where men and women kill themselves at the same rate is China. In every nation except China, men outnumber women in suicide rate. This is a global issue. Gun ownership allowed or not, it doesn't make a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:52 PM
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Thanks for this thread, I agree with you. I do believe that the psychology and game theory of dating and relationships is more nuanced than discussions here seem make out. However, I do like 'the pills' because IMO they can lead to understanding some of the fundamentals of attraction at least. IME there really was a 'seeing through the matrix' experience when I began to look into research regarding the impact of looks, income, and race on dating options, despite what the mainstream or most peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:42 PM
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If you think of happiness as binary, then your question makes sense. However if you think of happiness as a scale, then it doesn't. A relationship can make you happier, it doesn't have to make you happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:33 PM
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I prefer Warren Farrell's analysis. Basically, in some areas women have advantages, and in other areas men have advantages. A big area women have an advantage is receiving empathy and compassion from people. Your post for example completely ignored, or made no reference to, the rampant mental health issues that men face as a demographic. Regarding mental health; Men commit suicide at 3-4 times the rate women do, men make up the majority of alcoholic, prescription, and illegal drug addicts. Also,…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:03 PM
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I don't think we can make that generalization about what most people mean. I have a sneaking suspicion that the TRP community seems to think all women are like the vapid materialistic women on the fresh and fit podcast and Tiktok. Out of curiosity, do you believe the women on the fresh and fit podcast are good representations of the mindset of the average woman, regardless of location and socio-economics status?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 09:45 PM
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Things she mentioned that I could have done were her dishes, cooking, and taking more care of her when was sick Sounds reasonable to me. if I was better looking, I don’t think that would’ve been an issue. She's an individual, and you know her best, noone here can give a better answer to that question than you. Do you think she's that kind of person, based on what you know of her? Generally speaking based on research I've seen... Looks are the best way of creating romantic interest, but it doesn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 06:21 PM
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When a girl says her love language is receiving gifts, that simply means she is a high maintenance gold digger No, some women really do appreciate inexpensive gifts. I used to chat to a woman who said she was dating a guy and out of all the gifts she gave her, which cost money, the one she remembers and appreciates the most was a blueberry cupcake that he got for free but saved it for her. She explained that he remembered her talking about eating blueberry cupcakes as a child in a story she told…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 05:41 PM
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There are men like Andrew and Tristan Tate who have sex with a lot of beautiful women. When the woke crowd criticises for them for disdain for women they only call them misogynists. If men are complaining about women, and blame women for problems, why (when they don't know a man's dating history) do they call them incels, and not simply misogynists? I believe it's because they want to try to humiliate the men by saying they don't have regular sex. They can't do that to people like Andrew and Tri…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 12:32 PM
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No one likes being treated as a cum bucket Some women are a lot kinkier, or hornier, that I think you can imagine. There definitely are some women who like to be treated like a cumbucket. There are women who literally want to be called a slut, whore, dirty bitch, etc, during sex. Even in one night stands. (I had a girl who I met in a nightclub, and within an hour of talking to her she asked me to choke her and slap her during sex.) I think a lot of women hide their sluttiness (I don't mean that …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:51 AM
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For centuries no one gave a shit if a woman didn’t feel compatible or in love with her husband. Just shut up and be a dutiful wife so you don’t starve to death and be socially stoned. For most of human history it seems marriage for love and absent of social pressure was rare, they were more pragmatic. For men and women. I used to be a muslim, and men and women were discouraged from marrying for emotion reasons (e.g. love) or lust, and are advised to take a pragmatic assessment of a potential par…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 11:46 AM
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LOL, that sounds true. The thing that seems to get OP off the most isn't the girl, it's the mental stimulation he gets thinking about her male partner. I agree it's homo-erotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 08:34 AM
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Most women can't enjoy penetrative sex. That's not true. Most women can't orgasm from penetrative sex, but that's not the same thing as saying that most women can't enjoy penetrative sex. To get most women off, the best male lovers have learned to stimulate a woman's clit during penetration (hands, pubic area, or toys). Also, a lot of female sexual please seems to be mental. Which is why women tend to care about narratives in porn/erotica far more then men. The best male lovers also learn to kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 08:13 AM
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Are you trying to justify what you are did by an appeal to nature? I've come to the conclusion that RPers generally use evolutionary psychology argument to try to justify what they do, or to avoid guilt. Edit: Another redditor pointed out the the basis of your arousal by this seem to be homoerotic. You seem to derive peak pleasure from the fact that they have a male partner, not the experience of being with the girl. So you're getting off, by thinking about another man. I actually think homoerot…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 08:08 AM
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I like the 'Lorraine protocol' outline in the book The Truth By Neil Strauss. He was given a list of therapy methods by group therapist Lorraine, and was advised to work his way through the list, because they would heal different parts of his trauma. I think he did each therapy for approx 3-6 months. Example (Not the actual list found in the book): Somatic Experiencing. Compassion Focused Therapy. Havening. Dialectical Behavioural Therapy. Jungian analysis. etc. If I had the money I would do tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 12:29 AM
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I mistakenly interpreted type to be about physical attraction, because that's the way it's commonly used. Sorry about that. Good luck for the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 10:11 PM
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Based on reading James Gilligan and Will Storr; Men who have a high level of narcissism and perceive themselves to be the most shame-prone, tend to be. Part of the philosophy of masculinity that I'm guessing emerged when marriage sex before marriage became commonplace, is that a 'real man' is able to have an regular sex. So if a man isn't having regular sex, his status as a man is brought into question. IME both the 'woke' crowd and 'Alpha bros' shame men who struggle with dating, or don't have …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 08:40 PM
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That's not what it I think many people are misinterpreting, what the research says is that prioritizing and looking to find the most attractive partner =/= romantic success. It's not saying not to find a partner you are attracted to, the research is saying not to prioritize looks (and other external factors) above all else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 08:30 PM
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You assume that someone is alone because they are self-loathing, rather than they end up self-loathing because they are so consistently alone. I believe that's a fair point. Likely ignored by a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 08:09 PM
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Very possible your therapist wasn't a good fit, sometimes it takes going through a couple before you find the one who's methods clicks with you. I understand the frustration of feeling like it was time wasted. That is advice I give to people, after having some bad experiences with a few therapist/counsellors before I found one that was great (the previous ones seemed to think they were mind readers, or were surprisingly insensitive). IME it can take trial and error. Just like surgeons aren't int…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 08:00 PM
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From what I've seen from summaries of research, people who generally have positive life satisfaction before they get into a relationship are more likely to have a happy relationship. Happy people tend to have happier relationships. Unhappy people tend to have unhappier relationships. So I think that self-improvement and therapy is really important for someone who wants to start a family. ​ Research I read in: How Not To Die Alone: The Surprising Science That Will Help You Find By Loran Ury Don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 07:56 PM
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why shouldnt she if she is settling Because ideals rarely exist outside of people's minds, and so she'll be chasing a man that either doesn't exist, or even if he does exist he likely doesn't want her (because she's too old, divorced, etc). Have you read the book the Paradox of Choice by Barry Schwartz? (If not) Basically research into consumers concludes theirs 2 kinds Maximizers and Satisficers. The Maximizers try to search for their ideal item, then make a choice, but they are usually wracked…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 07:47 PM
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but i have self control and don’t often have time for stuff like that. I see. Being highly horny is a compulsion that leads to action though, IME. Either masturbation or sex, so the fact that you could be fine not engage in masturbation or sex for years IMO means you're not that horny. I'm sure the women I knew would literally have a hard time thinking about anything other than needing to touch themselves or getting a dick inside them. I just remembered a joke from a comedian Jim Jeffries on the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:58 PM
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We must convince men that beauty and appearance are not important in women. I don't believe that's possible. That would be like trying to convince women that looks/appearance, socio-economic status, and race don't matter when it comes to their partner selection. Despite the studies showing that all those factors are very important to women. I believe certain desires are built into us, and can only be minimized but not eliminated.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:35 PM
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i could go years w/o masturbating/sex and be fine. I don't think you're as horny as you seem to think you are (like you mentioned in another post). There are girls I've known who masturbate regularly, and sleep around or have fuck buddies because they want regular sex. I don't believe they would share you're sentiment. Have you ever met a genuine promiscuous woman? Sexual pleasure is almost as compulsive for them as it is for men. I knew one woman who told me she spent the whole weekend masturba…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:25 PM
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A woman cannot literally alter what she finds attractive. You cant change your brain and biology like that. Otherwise gay people would just DECIDE to be attracted to the opposite sex....and we know that's not how it works. I don't think anyone is claiming it's all or nothing, and that there aren't limits to change. What we find attractive his malleable to a degree, hence why Beauty Overstimulation exists. Noone is claiming that attraction is completely malleable, but people are arguing that it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:17 PM
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Genuine question, are you against discussing and sharing with a man how to please you? Or would you like him to just know the basics from experience, and be able to tell what you like specifically by reading your responses?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:42 AM
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As an ugly woman you know he's only sleeping with you because you have a wet hole between your legs, not because he's truly attracted to you. How do you determine if he find you ugly or pretty?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:37 AM
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Compatible lifestyle, values and location are foundation for a good relationship. I have no idea why you think that's being picky? What is the longest relationship that you've been in, and did you live with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:27 AM
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Moderate: a male hyperfocus on becoming much more physically attractive to Women That's what seems to be what is happening in the west. Hence the rise of the pill that can't be named, and bodybuilding.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:21 AM
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Hi, The following is written based on life experience of being a pushover, not expressing my needs, and being interested in Red Pill ideas... IME being 'too nice' probably means you can be a pushover, and don't express your needs or honest thoughts to others, and nor will you protest when someone disrespects or abuses you? If that is the case, then that's something to work on, otherwise you'll likely get into a relationship where you are manipulated or emotionally abused. It's also a bad example…
/r/ExRedPill20/06/22 10:57 PM
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Please elaborate, because what you wrote makes no sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:24 AM
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I don't think so, you're still attracted to them, and if someone is looking for a relationship non-looks based traits become more important after a baseline level of attraction has been met. Good looks doesn't make a good partner or co-parent, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 06:57 PM
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Based on speed dating experiments, the no. 1 predictor of initial romantic interest is someone who is more attractive in relation to ourselves... ​ "The strongest predictor of attraction for both sexes was partners' physical attractiveness." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19558447/ "Only the responders’ perception of the targets’ physical attractiveness predicted romantic interest; specifically, responders’ who rated the targets’ physical attractiveness as higher than themselves reported more r…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 02:20 PM
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Have you seriously met anyone who has said that a therapy session is more enjoyable than good sex?
/r/ExRedPill16/06/22 03:21 PM
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Like look at Owen Gray and how he fucks women. Clearly the women are all enjoying it but do any of us think that that's mostly down to the women and their years of experience in the porn industry or is it that Owen's good at laying pipe. We don't know if Owen is enjoying the sex. Stirling cooper has been working longer than Owen and worked a male escort before, and he outright says that that a bunch of women he worked with he didn't enjoy the sex. ​ Another pornstar (I forget his name) said he t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 12:50 PM
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Like if you are after attention, affection, love, sex, cuddling, etc., i think those 2 options covers all bases from it. Dude, what sugar babies/prostitutes will give you is not love. The girlfriend experience is not love. Love IMO isn't just affection, it's being there for you through up and downs, sickness and health. (What I've read you do in other answers is seemingly trying to portray that's practically impossible for men to experience a loving long term relationship. I'm not trying to be c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 11:12 AM
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Therapy is not easier than getting or having sex (for the average person). I believe anyone who has done therapy will attest to that. Therapy IME is a healing experience, but not an enjoyable experience - it's enjoyable in hindsight but during. Sex is (usually) enjoyable whilst doing it.
/r/ExRedPill16/06/22 09:17 AM
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who was recently exposed for being a stripper for gay men. Why is that 'catastrophic'?
/r/ExRedPill16/06/22 09:14 AM
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Studies actually show it's the opposite. Which studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 08:07 PM
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What negative population growth rate in some countries have to do with the claim that 'good/real men are disappearing'?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 09:22 PM
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The term "real man" IMO refers to a prescription, a declaration of how men 'ought' to be. Masculinity though IMO is just a description of a norm of male behaviour. From research and personal opinion: ​ Masculinity; (Generally) emotionally flat. Risk taking. Competitive. Low in agreeableness. (Big 5 personality test.) Athletic or strong. More of an interest in things or abstract thinking, than relationships. Direct. ​ Femininity; Nurturing. Risk averse. Emotionally expressive. High in agreeablene…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 09:00 AM
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every guy who has success with women outside of celebrities and politicians are Red Pilled whether consciously or unconsciously. Or they're just really good looking. You can be blue pilled, good looking, and promiscuous. I've witnessed this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 12:02 PM
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Which is exactly why good/real men are disappearing and why all of society is going to crash. I predict that isn't going to happen, and that society will continue to exist long after our lifetime. What I think is/will happen is geomaxxing will become more common, and I also think men and women will become openly more pragmatic, and research based, when it comes to finding LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 12:01 PM
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Have you read the link summarizing a few studies? Basically women are more affected by the social dominance of the men they see, meaning the more socio-economic status the men they are exposed to in media has, the less satisfaction they rate with their partners. So it's no painting women in a better light. Women tend to follow celebrities and celebrity couples a lot, and so are exposing themselves to a lot of men with a very high level of money and status. So they are warping their own standards…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 09:20 AM
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I've been married, and I was not 'excited' to meet her family. I hope a woman doesn't judge me because I'm not 'excited' to meet their family.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 06:58 PM
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I think the complaints are age specific. I've seen both male and female dating coachs agree that dating for women over 40 is hard, because decent looking in shape men in their 40s want women in their 30s. Men in their teens to early 30s in major cities seems to be where I've seen men complain of women's standards, they are generally complaining about their age 'appropriate' female counterpart's standard. Dating in 30s is hard enough, because it's the 'last scramble' for having biological kids, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 06:50 PM
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I think there is something to this. I noticed this myself, and that's why I unfollowed a lot of accounts on social media. I found it was warping my standard of beauty to unrealistic standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 06:44 PM
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I'm genuinely curious, I'm not looking to challenge your thinking; How old are you? What race are you? Would you describe your overall socio-economic environment as WEIRD (Western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic)?
/r/ExRedPill12/06/22 06:33 PM
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You sound like a great sister. I wish you and your brother well.
/r/ExRedPill12/06/22 06:27 PM
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I'm gonna need to see a citation on the psycholog y bit. You can do a web search for the terms; Dominance Hierarchy. Social Dominance. I did a quick search for some papers; Bullying and Evolutionary Psychology: The Dominance Hierarchy among Students and Implications for School Personnel The dominance behavioral system and manic temperament: Motivation for dominance, self-perceptions of power, and socially dominant behaviors. The Dominance Behavioral System and Psychopathology: Evidence from Self…
/r/ExRedPill12/06/22 05:38 PM
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I liked OP's perspective, because I believe it may be a partial explanation for the psychology of how incels can become misogynistic. The attachment to a sense of status to having sex with a pretty woman. However, I agree with you. I believe that men and women have different gender based problems in the west - so I think feminism as a concept is a good thing. However real and significantly more dangerous patriarchies exist outside of the west, and little attention seems to be given to them by we…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 11:07 AM
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Insightful observation! Something I've noticed is that even feminists use virginity to shame men. (I'm not a big fan of youtuber Sneako, who himself is a self-admitted misogynist, but he said a statement that I think is true); "You're just an incel" is just the woke way of saying ;you don't get have sex, so you're a loser". Shaming people for not having sex is found everywhere in the west it seems, apart from in religious circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 11:01 AM
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In the field of psychology; Dominance =/= Bullying. But Bullying is a form of Dominance. I understand that you disagree, but bullies are being dominant in their behaviour in relation to their victims. ​ Any relationship have one-sided break ups. How would him being dominate stop that? I said she was dominant. I never suggested that he should have been dominant towards her. It seems that you are strawmanning me.
/r/ExRedPill12/06/22 09:03 AM
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Gentle kind and empathetic =/= push over or beta Sounds like her brother was, if he allowed her to bully his own sister. Nor does tenacity and grit mean someone is attempting to dominate another Sounds like her sister in law was. E.g. OP describes her behaviour as very toxic at times, including bullying her for being shy. OP says that she made a unilateral decision to divorce, refusing to get marriage counselling eve. That's dominant behaviour. The redpill has the most immature view of relations…
/r/ExRedPill12/06/22 08:27 AM
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Fair point. I agree that misogyny is rampant in the Red Pill community, and it's a reason why overall I think it's a negative influence. The same concepts your brother will get about dating and relationships from The Red Pill community can be found in books by (or co-authored by) David Buss and Geoffrey Miller - minus the misogyny. Maybe you can buy those books for him as a gift? The Red Pill offers diagnosis and prescription of dating and relationship issues, and your brother sounds like he's i…
/r/ExRedPill12/06/22 07:41 AM
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What I've seen the Blue Pill and The Red Pill have in common is the idea that personality or intangibles trump everything else in regards to attraction or SMV. IME the no. 1 thing to tell young men to do is to looksmaxx and hobbymaxx, because looks and shared interests are the no. 1 and no. 2 predictors of attraction based on looking at some summaries of speed dating studies. (Besides attracting women; lifting, grooming, dressing well, eating healthy, and developing a social circle built around …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:24 PM
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That's how they were formed, regardless of if you care about the origin. The idea that the TRP doesn't heavily incorporate prescriptions and interpretations of data and studies is false, based on the history of the concepts. TRP can also be very dogmatic too, IME... Correct/true males = Alpha. Incorrect/faux males = Beta. Like I said, if you read The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi and The Mystery Method, you'll see that practically every concept of The Red Pill comes from those 2 guys. Speed Dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:06 PM
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Fair... no. Scientific... To me it seems like an obvious, yes. Red Pill guys (maybe not the ones on reddit, but the most respected pundits) draw from science and pseudoscience a lot to back up their claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 01:02 PM
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Wheat Waffles doesn't say you are claiming he said, he explicitly says that people can bring their score up. However, he argues that it's wasted effort (which I don't agree with) if you are sub 5. He openly speaks about looksmaxxing himself and it making him more attractive. He's quite literally made videos advising people to looksmax and says that it can increase your attractiveness. All anyone needs to do is watch Wheat Waffles latest video to see that you are misrepresenting what he says.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 07:47 AM
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I think you are strawmanning the Black Pill. 2 studies (which include Meta-Analysis) of speed dating experiments have concluded that physical attractiveness is the no. 1 predictor of romantic interest for both sexes. Race also plays a significant role in SMV for interracial dating (based on data and numerous studies) - though that is location dependent, however most people date within their own race. That doesn't mean other factors like confidence, status, money, etc, aren't important, but that …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 07:44 AM
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IME of the Red Pill pundits appeal to pseudo science (evolutionary psychology), studies and data at the root of their justifications for their prescriptions and views of female nature. Rollo Tomassi is the 'godfather' of the Red Pill movement, and he is constantly appealing to the pseudo-science of evolutionary psychology, data and studies. Despite that, I've found Red Pill to be very rigid in their thinking. Practically everything in the Red Pill has trickled down from Rollo Tomassi and Mystery…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/22 07:06 AM
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Astute observation, IMO. I hope OP replies and considers what you wrote. I have major problems with the movement, however) the Red Pill would encourage her brother to become just like what she admires in his ex wife. So, why the double standard?
/r/ExRedPill10/06/22 10:49 PM
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Brit gang gang. Sorry to hear it's been such a struggle to maintain a healthy weight, hope you find a sustainable way in the future. FWIW (again unsolicited, and in case your don't know) muscle burns fat, and the stronger/bigger amount of muscle the better your metabolism. You won't have to starve yourself to have an appealing body shape, and your weight actually might stay the same (muscle weighs more than fat), but after 6 months you'll look and feel significantly better even eating the same c…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 10:36 PM
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IMO the problem is likely your location, even if you are below average face wise. Here in the UK overweight women of your age have no problem finding partners, IME. Regarding weight loss here's my unsolicited thoughts; based on rudimentary research there is a strong genetic component to weight gain and loss, it seems approx 80%. Not only do some people gain and retain fat easier than others, they also don't have a strong genetic 'off' or 'full' button in regards to overeating like people who don…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 10:18 PM
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Sorry to hear you're having a bad experience. >they don’t reply back when I start the conversation. How old are you? Are you overweight?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 10:02 PM
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I believe the Gym will definitely help this guy, 3 years of hard natty training can create a very good physique. I predict that if this guy keeps up his self improvement journey there's no way he will continue to be an incel (especially if he Geomaxxes), and will have an online career helping other men climb out of incel status.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 09:59 PM
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What has been your experience with online dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 09:28 PM
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I'm a black guy, and I haven't seen any studies or data supporting the claim of your first sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 09:26 PM
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You've highlighted a big issue I have with the Red Pill. Statistics apply to large numbers only, and the Red Pill doesn't take into account variables or what Feminism calls intersectionality. Location, age, education level, race, religion, etc, all will change the application and interpretation of the prescriptions given by Red Pill pundits. What a high status man means to a girl who grew up middle class in Miami, is different from what high status man means to a girl who grew up watching her da…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 08:03 PM
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. Women don't simp over dudes the way guys do to women Oh, they do. If you've ever been around a really attractive guy for long enough, you won't believe what you read (on their phone) and see. That's how I realized that I'm an averagely attractive guy, these guys literally had girls following them around in nightclubs - I'm not kidding.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:43 PM
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That policy would actually IMO be the probably the best for managing emotions. IMO open relationships can lead to problems simply due to the sharing of experiences and attraction to other people. Probably best to just keep that away from each other, whilst still indulging... Thanks. You've given me something to think about. Very pragmatic approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:37 PM
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Probably both. Both partners become less sexually responsive to each other over time, but women more so it seems. I saw Data on Gen Z and Millenial cheating, and it seems that males and females cheat at approx the same rate. It seems only in Gen X and Boomers do males cheat significantly more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 07:34 PM
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An observed phenomenon where mammals become less sexually responsive to the same partner over time, and their sexual responsiveness only becomes optimal again when a new partner is introduced. Basically, variety increases the strength of arousal and sex drive, and a long term relationship decreases the strength of arousal and sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:12 PM
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That's something that I bring up to people. Males are the more violent sex by far, and we also have the physical advantage. As unpolitically correct or as terrifying as it may be for some to understand; anyone who has done combat sports and has felt the power difference between men and women in training knows that if the average man wanted to, we could easily physically over power practically any woman that we see. I no longer get annoyed when I see women display signs of being afraid of me in p…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 04:07 PM
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Teens - Patriarchal, Misogyny based on Hip hop culture, and the peer culture of the boys I a grew up with. Early to mid 20s - Blue Pill. Whatever the mainstream said. Late 20s - MRA and Red Pill misogyny and anti-feminism, fuelled by a divorce and the 'revelations' about the events leading up to it. Early 30s - Purple Pill. Seeing positive and negatives, accuracies and inaccuracies, in the Feminist and Manosphere movements. I was too 'blue pill' for the manosphere, and too 'red pill' for Feminis…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:57 PM
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“men get tired of fucking the same. It can take them anywhere for an hour to 18 mont Getting tired of banging the same woman doesn't mean that a person is going to cheat. It just means that for most couples the frequency of sex radically declines. This is near universal it seems, your marriage sound like an exception. Have you spoken to female friends of yours? Has your husband spoken to his male friends about this? Do they say they have sex just as much 10-20 years later as they did in the firs…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:38 PM
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The book Cupid's Poisoned Arrow proposes a solution. Which is Karezza sex, which is sex without orgasm, whilst simultaneously involving biochemically bonding activities like cuddling, kissing, staring into each other's eyes, smiling, caressing, etc. I have a strong coolidge effect. An open relationship would be what I want going forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/22 03:36 PM
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I think it's your London bubble. I have a close friend who live in London, and I lived in London for a while as a kid and visted there fortnightly for a year and half as an adult. IMO it's a different world compared to the rest of the UK. The socio-economic obsession of women that American RPers talk about IMO would sound ridiculous to most people who aren't middle class (outside of London at least).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 07:51 AM
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