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CMVTopNYJeweler/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:44 PM
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DiscussionTopNYJeweler/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:02 PM
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I thought gender and race discrimination was not only in the context of jobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 02:47 PM
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Yes, but women love to deny those issues because admitting them would mean they admit their privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 02:43 PM
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I mean, virtually all fairness being pushed is thanks to propaganda. The idea of equality in genders, rights, race, etc. is thanks to propaganda. Not all propaganda is bad, though, yet it is still propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 02:18 PM
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In a sense that is what taxes are indeed, a proportion of slavery, distributed. Even if 99% of taxes were used for your good and not for Ukraine, that 1% loss would be problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 02:00 PM
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I think when it comes to dating, people mostly don't want fairness, they just want to do well, be successful and happy. I'm sure fairness is just a sense that we must distribute that. Now, I agree it probably not possible in the context of money, but the claim we don't know it because consent is bullshit... plenty of government and social rules force us to do and agree with stuff, to even be able to move in such society.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 02:00 PM
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Because you could have fairness, and people still won’t like you Does that reasoning apply to race and gender quotas too?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 01:58 PM
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Enforcing a ratio would result in reluctant participation that would never give the dates an actual chance. Ok, so there shall be no reason to oppose such policy, right? If it does not work anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 01:57 PM
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You can’t artificially increase chances on a systemic scale for dating Why not? We use, for example, ads and propaganda to manipulate the tastes of people on fundamental things such as food. Why would dating be untouchable?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 01:56 PM
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The concept of fairness is also difficult if not impossible to apply to things like dating. But that is the thing... for getting sex or love fairness is not considered. BUT when you are in a relationship, suddenly fairness matters... the guy shall share domestic jobs, women shall contribute, etc. Don't you think that is a little inconsistent?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 01:55 PM
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In any case someone is losing. If women are property, women lose rights. If men and women are free to choose, most men and many women will lose the opportunity of sex and a family anyway. So far our society has made consent as fundamental... except for taxes, for some reason taxes override consent, which means our society has put money and infrastructure over personal rights and will, but the supposed benefit is fairness on lower things like survival of most even at the cost of a happy loving li…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 01:53 PM
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Thing is, people do seem to care and people are still pressured to have kids, mainly women. I know men are too. TV? Plenty of shows about single people fucking in Europe. Movies? Top movies, such as Barbie, reflect a culture that does not want kids. Reddit? Totally anti kid to the point they usually use genocidal language against kids, which is kind of ironic for how immature redditors are to the point they are closer to being kids. Celebrities? They wait to have kids into their 40s. Only pressu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:18 PM
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Only way I would be jealous of women on that would be if I wanted to be a woman, which is not the case. Women don't need any talent to get laid. Plenty of narcissistic, disgusting, evil and cheating women get laid all time for just having a hole. They just have to exist, smile and open legs. I am not jealous of that because I don't want to be a woman. I do think that nature is more unfair on men, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:13 PM
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Yes, but they describe what successful men have and statistics. Meanwhile women try to proscribe, as telling those men and telling others what is OK to believe or say about successful men for some reason. Very weird, as if they wanted to twist reality or something. Successful men do seem to have an "official" educated wife in their class while fucking other cheap but hot women around. No one cares, no one can stop them and women actually rather suck their dicks and be their flesh lights than mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 08:11 PM
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OK, but I wonder why women care so much about what successful men care about? Why do they make this non issue so relevant in discussions?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 07:53 PM
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Yes, but if you want to have, for example, 3 kids, then starting to have them over 30 is not very wise. Not to mention that if you start dating women that age, then having babies is an emergency priority if you want kids, otherwise you may spend well over 5 years into a relationship and end up childless at the end. Of course, this does not matter if neither want kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 07:32 PM
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Yes, and also many women can benefit for being escorts for what they already do for free or for long term personal gains anyway. Imagine having pink gold between your legs and not using it while it lasts! BTW, I morally don't agree with prostitution because my faith, but there are good legal arguments for it, just as why alcohol is allowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 07:26 PM
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I mean, see them as just temporal terms for the context of the post. Almost no one agrees on what those terms means.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 07:05 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I hope what you say is true and the few younger people with families do well in the future and there is later a baby boom, but I don't have my hopes high. I also expect more inflation, even just by old people dying, as there will be more money freed into the economy when people die, yet dollars stay the same and labor will even be lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 07:01 PM
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I don't think any strategy is winning for everyone. There are always winners and losers. In enforced monogamy strategy both top men and women lose or get only a small fair share, but most working taxpaying men that would otherwise be left out, win, now with a reason to keep the regime, but many women lose as they have to marry men they hate. In any case, at that point most jobs were manual jobs so men were the ones expected to work and had more leverage. Is surviving winning for women? no idea. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 06:43 PM
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I mean, I'm not disagreeing, I'm just pointing out the fact that women are not dating equals or lesser, they want to marry men who earn significantly more even not needing them. Therefore, I don't think that women earning their own money can be enough to explain this dynamic, although it may explain part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 06:34 PM
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If all else is equal why choose the objectively worse option? Relying on only one income, which also has been inflated by everyone working, is not necessarily ideal, though. But it also depends where you live... city is ideal for people living alone, and yet most cities eat all your income. In any case, I'm sure many women that want that lifestyle can be independent and happy, but also many women who wanted a husband and have children will not have many options if they keep that requirement of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 06:23 PM
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The rest will die off leaving a huge demand for workers that will force wages up due to the high demand, those kids will have great paying jobs and get together and have so much extra means they can hand a lot of kids and boom! That is a positive way to see the future, and I actually like it, but I have a more negative view of what will happen: There will be a healthy and long-lasting old generation of childless old people. Those people will have huge voting power, way more than people with chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 06:20 PM
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Because it proves women still care about money, even more now probably because they have options in apps (although those guys will never marry them, but they think they are sooo especial).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 06:15 PM
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There’s often articles about it to remind women that they have a choice. Sure, but it seems odd... everyone knows they have a choice. Half women in a few decades will be childless, so it does not seem to be the "new hot thing" anymore. Personally I don't care if they reproduce or not. Ideally they also are more eager to use State Assisted Dead and other people's children don't have to enslave themselves for taxes to childless old people no one wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 06:13 PM
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I’m sure this happened, but paternity fraud has never been the norm. No, but it was also inconsequential if no one knew, so the options was considered and allowed women to choose men for a thing and others for fucking. Not anymore without some tradeof. What has changed is that women no longer need a provider. So a man has to offer more than just a steady paycheck, there has to be companionship and some level of attraction. In fact, money matters MORE for women now, and since women work also it m…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 06:10 PM
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Ironically, yes. The dating market adjusted for worse for men because an option for women being taken away. It also happened with the pill and the liberation of sex that came from it. Still the option is there, but it is more general and institutionalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 06:08 PM
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I mean, I'm not judging women for choosing men who earn more for the best of her kids and herself. I'm just pointing out that women often deny this or rather claim to be financially independent, but such requirement from men has not been relaxed, and honestly, I think it never will... even if everyone is equal, women will always choose men that are better than other men in some aspect, economic or otherwise. At the end, that means some women will never find the man they desire or rather stay alo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:53 PM
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In my experience, I think the most solid stable marriages have been people who married young. But yes, there is a higher risk for them to fail, but when they succeed they can be a huge support for each other in their 20s and 30s. I would get not getting married young in the 80s or 90s, since it was almost means the woman stop studying and working outside, but today that does not have to be the case. She can marry, graduate, work, etc. while married, same with the man, and often start saving fund…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:46 PM
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Well, the bride and the groom... it makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:40 PM
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Lack of ‘economically-attractive’ men to blame for decline in marriage rates | The Independent | The Independent
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:39 PM
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Yes, but it is not the legal aspect, but how often women try to make visitation hard to impossible, how many times judges agree with allegations of the woman about abuse with no evidence, etc. But I do agree that law has gotten more fair for men these last years. Still mom is always seen as the default parents, and the father is just there to pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:37 PM
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Actually others out there seem to have an issue with being childfree, single, etc and project. That is also true, it bothers some people, but so far I mostly see articles of older women trying to announce how happy they are that way.... as if anyone cared. IDK why media seems to side with childfree people so much, but probably the reason is that female journalists overlap that demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:36 PM
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If you were truly happy, why would you give a damn if people thought you weren't? I wouldn't. In fact, I don't follow thousands of stereotypes other men do... play video games, sports, like cars, etc. and yet I'm relatively happy it is that way, except for a few categories in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:34 PM
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Well females are still trying to do it, but they are trying to get the betas to do it as step fathers. That is still terrible, but to be fair that at least the man consents to that. I agree inflation will make life way worse for these women. So many women spend their divorce money traveling to Europe and not even opening an IRA. It is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:31 PM
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That is true, men feel worse when they are not the providers in a relationship, and yet that is almost always the reason why women initiate divorce (they initiate most divorces). Women also put money first during dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:29 PM
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A lot of single mothers still find betas. Yes, sadly. But at least it is more honest in those arrangement, as the men agree to what they are putting themselves into.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:28 PM
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Women also now no longer need a provider to have sufficient resources to keep herself and offspring alive. That is technically true, just as men can also be single dads (and ironically do better than women after the child is over 4). Regardless, it is weird how eager women are to separate children from their fathers in the name of "independence" or shit, even knowing the social and psychological consequences of that have proven to be a disaster for the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 05:26 PM
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Or its getting obsolete bc less women need a "beta bux" bc money is not an issue for them since they earn good money themselves By that logic women would have no problem dating men earning less, but so far it got even worse... women want to date even richer men now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 04:16 PM
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I get why parents usually don't advice marriage for younger people. They married young and often marriage failed, so they attribute that to marrying young. I think they have a blind spot because they attribute bad marriage to that, rather than their own bad decisions and refusing to grow up in a relationship. Each generation has its own challenges for marriage. The problem is that you get wise if you get old, but only if you accrue experience. If you don't have many relationships or never marry …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 03:50 PM
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a 35+ yearold guy probably would feel quite weird dating a 21year old I don't think so. It is not such a big gap. If she was 18 and he 40, maybe 45, then it starts to look weird. A lot of men who keep themselves in shape and fashionable can make themselves look way younger. But if men lose hair, they are fucked even if they are 22.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 03:46 PM
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Youth itself is hot. Even if the older woman puts herself better, younger women have less baggage. It also applies to men, they accrue baggage and get uglier at some point, but men compensate with money or success which women put huge weight on. There is nothing a woman can do to realistically compensate for her lost youth and fertility. But there is no need to... I'm sure there is always a guy that would choose them anyway. They would just have way fewer options.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 03:41 PM
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The first IF marriage is on the table. I explain: I want to have children. As she married me, she can study or find a job later. Marriage is not an excuse to just be a deadbeat wife. Younger women are usually more attractive and less entitled. Of course, in this case probably the best option is neither, but so far the younger one is way better. Half my salary is a good price to pay for an invaluable house wife and mother of my children.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 03:39 PM
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I haven’t heard a lot of guys on here advocate women divorce as quickly as possible before. Huh. I mean, it is not ideal and I'm not advocating for the marriage to end quickly, but if it is not working, there is no use to keep it going. I just think that getting divorce young makes more sense than getting divorce old, because you have invested less in your partner, probably not many children, etc. BTW, I deleted the phrase "I never wanted kids" because I don't know why it was there, WTF. Maybe i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 03:11 PM
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If they are manwhores, it seems they are indeed attrative to many women, so what you like or not is not very relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 02:09 PM
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A perfect example of something that has no basis in reality and is easily disproven. If it was disproven, would not have the bluepill be enough? That is the only trash being pushed for the last 40 years at least by media and society and school. People, especially men, are fed up with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:50 PM
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I had sex with a 21 year old when I was 16. It happens. Well, is it legal? If it is, well, her body her choice. We all are entitled to take terrible decisions, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:44 PM
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To be fair, women are also trapped by progressive feminism, and they are shamed if they don't fit it all... for example, they are shamed for not accepting that (trans)women can have a penis. They are called names such as TERF for not wanting transwomen with a penis in their bathrooms. Personally, I think women can get fucked and I don't care if they feel uncomfortable now. They have chosen this and better they take that female dick deep (metaphorically speaking). I will just watch and laugh. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:42 PM
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Maybe they are just going out and not having sex, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:39 PM
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Very weird women claim they want to protect younger women from exploitation, considering how exploitative the makeup and clothing industry is... and considering that is not even an essential industry.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:38 PM
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Well, they can have very valid points. In fact you can agree with an ideology like 99% and still not subscribe to it as a personal authority. People need to grow the fuck off and stop expecting internet movements to dictate their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:36 PM
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The stereotype of old, unmarried women with no children is that they're deeply unhappy spinsters. But in most of the past it made sense for that stereotype to exist. That used to mean poverty for women, for most of history, to have no children and family. What I find it odd is the fixation of journalism to sell the idea that that is wrong. OK, people know now that women work, we also know they can be happy on their own... but somehow they insist so much on it as if they were not very sure it is …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:34 PM
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IDK IDC what "the red pill says" tho, and honestly it seems people love to project to it their own views or the views they hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:32 PM
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Sometimes personal bias affects a lot, also the surrounding culture. Maybe childfree old women in city live different than in the county or other countries. Ideally, studies can help on this, but the idea of happiness and life satisfaction often uses very subjective measurements. For instance, riches are often used to measure happiness while the fact is that richer western countries commit more suicide and have more mental health issues, which suggest happiness compensates for a shitty life and …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:28 PM
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Not all old childless women become like that, but I know too many that did. Even if you don't want children and never did, it is likely you want the company of family old in life, and obviously if you don't have a family it will be harder. I think you can recognize that being childfree is a decision that is both freeing and can be hard too long run. It is a tradeoff.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:27 PM
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Ok, suppose you are right. Why so many posts and articles highlighting this "fact"? Why it is not always about old men without children or old women with children? I find it odd some people need so bad for others to accept the fact that older childless women are sooooo happy. Very sus.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:02 PM
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I can understand that, but I also recognize too many options is at least 10x than almost no options at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:00 PM
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Women need more money than men needing women with money, because (1) men are expected to provide (2) pregnancy is risky that takes work time, this is a good compensation and (3) women want security for their children. Women are gold diggers, but for a very good reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 01:00 PM
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The rich guy is the dude who runs a luxury car dealership and is there 30 hours / week and still makes $500k. The consulting partner making $1M who works day and night isn’t truly rich. I'm talking on average. Sure there are many rich people that do no work, usually younger people, as their parents pay for it all. But generally speaking, rich people are workaholics, at least in USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 12:58 PM
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It is the exact same for very beautiful women. Being beautiful creates more traps for them too: more dudes will pursue her just for her looks and will lie or trick her to get access. Yes, I actually empathize with beautiful women on this. People who are very attractive often have these issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 12:57 PM
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Well, all women expect their men to be providers in some way... either genetic providers (hot guy for healthy kids) or wealthy or at least have some job. They are, indeed, golddiggers and very unapologetic about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 12:56 PM
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It does not matter, because that is the period most women establish their friend groups and first boyfriends anyway. Not to mention that plenty of women don't date men without friends or men that never had a relationship, which is more or less a generalization of women just choosing what other women choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 12:55 PM
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I wonder if romantic love ever existed in the first place. Maybe it was just an abstraction of stuff you like of the other person. At the end, you will never truly meet the person you know in the most fundamental level.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 12:53 PM
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But to be fair, younger single moms are way more attractive than old single moms, and a the men that don't care will choose the younger. Younger women have it better in every way, divorced or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 12:52 PM
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No need to. There are many legal bounds that can be form by just living with a person, such as having kids or the state considering you married for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 12:51 PM
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No, because mental illness and lack of friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 12:50 PM
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Fine, genetics, even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 12:49 PM
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Top tier men and women tend to find each other Sure, but women usually date higher men on wealth or some unique niche. Integrity and fidelity does not seem so important considering how high the divorce rates are on higher classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 12:49 PM
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It is a kind of chicken and egg problem. You cannot learn much about women if you don't date them, but at the same time you need some wealth to attract them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 12:47 PM
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Make money to attract women Being rich is a long term goal, though. I doubt men that only get rich for women have really that patience.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 09:09 PM
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Well, they just want those simp likes. Attention is their drug.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:36 PM
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I honestly don't really see the appeal. If at some point I find myself working way more than living, it seems I'm producing wealth that I'm not enjoying. I guess they have their reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:21 PM
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Yes, but it is usually if the guy is very hot. Only way they would not care is if we reimplemented arranged marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:14 PM
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Well, I have lots of crypto.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:05 PM
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Agreed we all need to improve in areas of our life we are interested to improve, but honestly I don't think that applies only to rich men, and probably they have more leverage and can get away with sometimes not fitting the stereotype of the attractive man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 07:04 PM
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And out of the 10 of us, 50% met their wife before we were rich or successful. That is probably the best way, also a huge support. But to be fair even before being rich you probably was kind of successful to attract her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:58 PM
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Wealthy and successful women often want to date even more successful and richer men. They don't date down either. Not to mention that there are probably not many women that are rich as men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:41 PM
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But time and time again we see that young marriages don't last. But that is OK, divorcing young is not so bad as divorcing, for example, deep in your 40s. Being young you can take stupid decisions and learn sooner by failing, and consequences are minimal. Now try dating for first time at 30 like me, it is hell and all fail almost means you will probably keep failing for the rest of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:18 PM
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We only know that things are radically and irrevocably different now. We have to wait a few decades to see consequences at full, both the good and the bad. Internet changed everything so fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:18 PM
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A college campus isn't really a good location for average people. If the most social place is bad for men, and they will probably never get to a very social environment full of women, then their social future is indeed very dark. Also there is no precedence for this. Younger men were never that lonely nor women waiting so long to have children. Everything will may turn out to be fine at the end, but no one knows... there are more ways to fail than to win.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:15 PM
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In any case you have to be deceiving at worse or look cheap when they found out. Some women may not like that. But I do think that makes sense if you, for example, go on vacation to a foreign country for a few weeks. That makes more sense to implement that strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:13 PM
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So, 70% of lonely single men are under average?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:03 PM
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May I ask why do you care about long term relationships if you are childfree? There will be no family that requires a stable relationship anyway, you can just live off mid term relationships of 2 or 3 years forever. If she want kids and you don't, she can leave, but both enjoyed a few years being happy. It seems you are attaching to an institution or expectation that makes little sense if there is no plan for a building a stable long term family anyway. A lot of childfree people still have ideas…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:03 PM
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Most women marry within their socioeconomic status. Well, at some point they have to settle. No wonder they initiate like 70% of divorces when their facade gets old.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 06:00 PM
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Most women are hypergamous. That is not good or bad, that is just their nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:59 PM
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Well, then they struggle to attract women just looking poor or average. Not even average women want average earners.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:58 PM
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Being wealthy gives you more privilege to find love anyway. It gives you more options to find love, but paradoxically it also creates more traps that make just take you time to actually find true love. Not to mention that most rich people work over 50 hours a week, they are not necessarily abundant on time to go out and date.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:57 PM
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Quite a few of them oppose birth control, emergency contraceptives and Sex Ed as well. That is mostly a progressive moral panic and fearmongering. The reality is that even most prolifers accept abortion in some cases, and most prochoicers don't think abortion for any reason at 9 months shall be allowed. Clearly there is a gray range of ideas, not just black and white. For instance, some Black Democrats are very conservative and also oppose abortion, there are Republicans who are libertarians and…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:54 PM
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Yes, but men are more open to dating a wider range of women than women, who only date up. Women are way more restrictive, and that is why they compete for wealthy men, yet in reality they compete for their money.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:51 PM
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I think it has to do with reproduction. They want a rich guy to maintain that, but if genetically he is too bad, then having bad genes weights more than you having money.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:49 PM
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If you've been able to attain wealth and success but lack the ability to assess people's character intentions, some might say that a fool and his money are soon parted. They are different skills, though. You may be a good father but a terrible husband, a good family man but have no friends, or have friends but always fail in love... those skills are not equivalent. Sure, if you are confident building wealth you may be confident with women, but you may have other issues beyond confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:34 PM
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Of course average men have it worse, and I'm not talking about them, but what you say also proves my point: women are rather looking for richer, wealthy men, for their resources rather than being helpers to grow with them and love.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:33 PM
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I don't know you, but I see that successful men dont care too much about looking for "honest true relationship material women" they just take whatever is seems to be sexually satisfying and not too much of a bother... and go with that... True, but for those who care it is a disadvantage. If they want a family and children, the question is way more important.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:31 PM
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The flip side is that men with money may expect compliance from their partners in exchange for access to those resources Yes, but they need a legal arrangement to guarantee that, otherwise they will get fucked in a divorce even if she is the cheater.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:30 PM
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Beautiful women would have the same type of problem..."Is this man with me for my personality or because I'm hot?" And men know it's more because she is hot than anything. That is a good point. In any case, having a good face means good genetics, so healthier children, etc. so it is not a totally arbitrary criteria as would be a guy that just got lucky economically speaking. But yes, it is more or less the same issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:28 PM
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This figure shoots up to 90% for college-educated women. (Murphy, 2019) JuSt gEt aN eDuCAtEd pRofEssIonAl wOmAn
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:26 PM
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Sure, but I'm talking about the fact that women want the prize, and since rich guys have the prize, they have more options that may be more interested in the wealth than the guy, and that can contaminate their options.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:25 PM
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Yes they will wait at the finish line to redeem their prize but if I was rich in this scenario why do I care? Well, some people are shy or autistic, even having money, and they feel lonely or desire to have a relationship. But you are right, if you are a rich guy chances are that you mastered an aspect of yourself to the point you may not need others as much for emotional support. If I have to choose between the remote possibility of maybe finding love or being rich, I would choose the later at …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 05:23 PM
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Agreed. Dating is a game that, for most people, gets tiring soon, and also risky / expensive. But even so, successful men have a similar problem to women in dating apps... who have many matches, but they don't know which matches want honest true relationships. In this case, the top men don't know which of the many women they can pick would be good for a relationship and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:02 PM
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This would largely contradict what tradcons have saying "Yea bro chase success not women" Tradcons? You mean redpillers? In any case, I think all generations kind of knew that women always had ulterior interests for wealth and success. If women indeed chase success, then men shall prioritize success over women. It makes perfectly logical sense and it would benefit both men and women to do so. It is probably the reason why civilization exist. Well congrats on the success but now there women only …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 04:00 PM
1

On dating? Totally agree, internet basically made dating totally unrecognizable as an institution, but they do know other things about people and relationships... and that has not changed as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:39 PM
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Not every old person is a boomer, though. It may not be so useful, since dating changed so much, but a few of them had relatively successful relationships and maybe they can help on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:39 PM
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Both men and women can learn from older people on dating and relationships. Men don't hate older women. They have moms, older sisters, grandmas, etc. that they deeply love and respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:37 PM
2

I need more context. Is he working for the best of the best future of his kid, or he is sending money because he is being forced by the state to do so? If it is the first, I think it is care and loving, even if he is not there as much as ideal, it is a very important sacrifice. Just as responsible single women putting kids in childcare. They may want to raise them themselves and care for them, but they need to make money for the life quality of the kids, even if it costs some quality time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 02:14 PM
1

True, same for men, they don't necessarily date the instagram girls they follow. But I think the standard still affects a lot of our tastes overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 02:11 PM
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A lot of this term is very relative. A guy working 18 hours to keep his family well probably is considered a deadbeat dad just for not spending enough time with his kids... which is very insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:50 PM
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Conservatives oppose abortion for ethical and moral reasons, and not a significant part of them oppose birth control, unless you consider abortion birth control. Now, we may disagree with conservatives on that, but that does not mean we have the license to lie about a cause that they don't widely oppose/support.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:49 PM
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Two things: Birth control is not stigmatized, not even by religious people anymore because it prevents abortions. Over 70% of childless old women actually wanted to have children. Childfree women exist and considering that soon half women in their 30s will be childless, it is not a big deal either. You are not special for having or not having kids. You cannot regulate "stigma" so anything you say about it is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:42 PM
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Unintended consequences... women wanted to work, which inflated wages, now they hate they also have to work. Still many women would rather marry a rich guy and never work again.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:24 PM
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I suspect they rather use some legal witchcraft to parasite men's wealth or somehow manipulate them, just as they already do but way worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:23 PM
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I'm a designed speaker for hetero bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:21 PM
1

Neither are women entitled to chad, no wonder they end up as damaged goods.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:20 PM
1

I'm a software developer, if you mean income.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:19 PM
1

Maybe hunk is not the best word, you are right. But men that are usually white, tall, muscular, etc. I do observe there seems to be a raising interest in Korean male stars, but it still is too niche and seems to be a counter-response to the first.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:18 PM
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Lesbian "marriages" being even less stable than gay and heterosexual marriages prove that women love to break relationships way more than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:15 PM
1

I’m not even of the camp that all age gap relationships are wrong or predatory just that it can be and it’s not above speculation if it’s someone you care about especially one’s own child. Otherwise not my monkey not my circus. It is a safe assumption. I would observe the man more carefully if he is either too old with lots of baggage or too young with no future.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:13 PM
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Yes, but not necessarily because men are objectively uglier or worse than women. Women are pickier and women usually like men that other women like, so this create a very niche market that only benefit some men at any given generation. See what an attractive man was considered in the 20s or 30s. It was not alike the man that we consider attractive today. It was the gentleman, the lord, the prince... today it is the hunk. Clearly the taste of women of men is not static historically speaking, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 09:04 PM
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Yeah, it baffles my mind. What does she believe? That she will make him stay and be monogamous forever? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 09:00 PM
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A lot of women who have been told men are dogs, they only want to get in your pants, watch out for old pervs were told this first by their fathers. I guess it is a safe assumption, like "don't trust strangers" or similar. On fathers, I think they are very defensive about their daughters, which I would say is a good thing. I just don't think it has anything to do with the age of the guy as much. I do notice that fathers care more about age of the guy if the daughter is 18 or 19, but after certain…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:51 PM
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Most women don’t spend their whole time on these forums and have a clue what this SMV talk is all about. Even if most people don't know what SMV is, they still have an intuition of it. Would most men want their 18 yr old daughter to be with a man twice her age, or to date her classmate that is 19? Ironically I would prefer that my daughter date an older successful man than a loser "musician" from her high school. Unless there are obvious red flags, most fathers are not as strict on age of the gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:26 PM
1

Even if we choose this and we are not leftovers, that is how we are going to be treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:23 PM
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As long as it is a good performance, to convince friends and family she is interested, and sex, etc. would be enough for me. She is like using makeup or luxury item.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:10 PM
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If then men didn’t want a kid, then why did they go condomless during sex? [...] they did the ONE thing that brings a child into this world, then people get surprised and offended when we try to hold them accountable I'm not asking women or law to change, nor I'm saying that law shall stop being so harsh on men. I agree with you that life shall be harsh on those men. My point is that women are trying to make men more responsible than they are, and yet women are the ones that have more options to…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 07:09 PM
1

I see the positive side for leftover men like us: We have more money to save for retirement, to take greater investment risks than those allows to men with families, to prepare buying property for the hell that is coming... Sure, it will be harder times if working population drops suddenly, but I'm sure that knowing it can help us prepare so well that it may not affect us.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:59 PM
1

This is really not true. Every patriarchal society pushes marriage (lifelong monogamy) whereas matriarchal systems don’t. That’s not a coincidence. Can you give an example of a matriarchal society in real life? And women mainly want to marry the “above average guys”. The type of men women push for marriage tend to have the qualities I mentioned. They are attractive, have good paying jobs or status etc.. women aren’t interested dating most guys at all, let alone pushing them for marriage. If men …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:57 PM
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Are you cool with women wanting you for your social and financial resources, or nah? Am I getting sex regardless?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:50 PM
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I find it odd women claim they care about younger women being "groomed" yet the cosmetic and clothing industry literally enslaves girls for their products and that does not stop them for buying them. They only care about younger women when they are sexual competition (age gaps, seamaxxing, etc.) and in some counties like some in Scandinavia they want even to ban their men from finding foreign women for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:36 PM
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Last time I checked, the state is very harsh on men who don't pay child support. Not at all harsh for women to brining kids that their fathers did not even want, without their consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:24 PM
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You’re comparing being a sugar baby with a wife when you should compare it to being a “kept woman” or mistress. I actually like that comparison. Maybe I should study it more. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:23 PM
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Women need to learn to separate sexual interest for actual interest to make a family and be a wive. Wanting a bad guy to change to be both a good husband and a hot guy will never work.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 06:21 PM
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Because there was no need to legally have marriage for the lower classes as it was designed for the wealthy to transfer property and legitimacy of power. I think we are mixing definitions of marriage, from legal contracts to family contracts to religious sacraments, etc. I'm sure the legal aspect was more important to richer people, but still other benefits of marriage probably had a purpose for lower classes. You wrote that that marriages in ancient history were more similar to sugar daddy arra…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:42 PM
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These extreme options are either too depression or too desperate. There is a third, life affirming way. I have chosen the maximizing the best of options, though: Try to do my best, in my ability to be the best version of myself. But don't delude myself into thinking that can be enough for women, so save money for retirement, invest, my own house, etc. Basically reinvest in myself and my own assets, which no woman can parasite from. So, even if I fail to get women, at least I can die alone knowin…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:28 PM
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Makes sense to me, I think men overestimate the value of being a wife. The main benefit was having food and shelter. Obviously if you can’t get basic survival needs without a man that’s a compelling reason to bind yourself to one. Do they? I think it is almost always women who want to marry, not as much men. Men only want to marry if that is a condition to get frequent sex. That is why there are so many forever girlfriends. I don't see the issue because, indeed as you suggest, commitment is over…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:23 PM
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AI rated me a 6, but I'm probably a 5, and a 4 on my worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:14 PM
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Just pointing out the minimalism of the Sugar daddy arrangement seems to echo the minimalism of marriage for most of history.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:13 PM
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... you suggest that historically marriage lacked love and was a practice rooted in the advancement of one’s children and wealth. This is true but it only really applies to wealthy elites. Why don't you think that pooling resources and property would only be a benefit for the wealthy? I think it probably was a benefit for other social classes too, to a lesser extend, though. Sure, marriage had many sacrifices such as risk of childbirth and loss of some freedom, but still was probably the most ef…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:11 PM
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It depends on the arrangement, though. Usually sugar babbies are expensive so the man expect some kind of exclusivity, at least for a period.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:09 PM
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First of all of course old women use assisted death most. That is mostly chosen by terminally ill who are mostly old. Singe women live longer than men on average it makes sense that they would be more likely to choose that. Men still die by suicide more than women overall. Just as you can say that they use assisted death more than men because they are older, I can also say that men commit suicide more because they have harder life. In any case, I just see different tradeoffs for different issues…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 04:08 PM
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To be fair, alcohol was probably what kept those men dull enough to not just run away and abandon their families. Alcohol was what is friend, a therapist, an antidepressant today.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:59 PM
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Having children was already expected, though, and a disaster if there was infertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:58 PM
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I would say the statement is well-intended, but toxic. No, there is mathematically not one for everyone. There is also opacity in dating market, so some ideal people will NEVER meet each other enough to date, even living in the same town. A better thing would be to say: Be your best to find someone, and even if you don't, at least you will be your best and you will not have to feel guilty.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:57 PM
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It is true that normal, common people, are not well registered on history, but they indeed had some property and rights. For example, sometimes an exchange for a few animal farms or land permissions. Even poor people still had some minimum of assets to survive, like some clothes or shoes, that often had a role in the economy of marriage and marriegable people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:35 PM
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That is a good point, but honestly that can be attributed to the same categories of contagious illnesses and other conditions that are now treatable, and sadly our ancestors could not avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:32 PM
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Birthrates are negatively correlated with standards of living. The irony is that you still need a younger working population to keep that comfortable infrastructure, and even migrants are having fewer kids. Imagine 80% of people retired, sucking only 15% of working people... it is not sustainable. We are on unknown territory and it will get very ugly for older people, especially without families.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:25 PM
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Women are increasingly shunning marriage and children because it's a net loss for them Most childless women, according to statistics, wanted to have kids and now it is too late. They are not choosing this, they are being forced to choose remaining childless.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:23 PM
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There are legal provisions for that, though. Meanwhile there is no law stopping women from their stupidity on choosing the same type of guys again and again.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:22 PM
1

What has led you to believe that marriage prevents deadbeat dads? There is always a risk, but if you don't get married, it is almost guaranteed the man will not there or have any obligation instead the bare minimum. Opening legs and letting yourself be impregnated by a guy that cannot even take the responsibility to marry you, is very very dangerous and affects you as much as the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:21 PM
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What has led you to believe that marriage prevents deadbeat dads? Most single moms were never married to their kid's father. That shows they took a terrible decision, having kids before any commitment before that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 03:14 PM
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Agreed, and many men like it or hate their marriage, but sadly that is the only way most men can get sex with some frequency.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:48 PM
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You can start with checking public criminal records, then asking friends and exs you may know. The fact criminals have children with multiple women tell us a lot about the priority of women. Even if you ignore all red flags because he is hot or some shit, why women having kids with a guy that is not even married to them? It makes no sense. But I get it... "I cAn fIX hIm". Suuuure.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:46 PM
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Women literally are the selectors, so yes, they are to blame for choosing shitty men. Imagine having 10x more options than most men, having almost all options on birth control and abortion, having rights on putting to adoption more than men... and still finding a way to lose and trying to make taxpayers pay for your bastards and bad decision. At some point women will have to accept they are adults with power, and not ask to be treated children when it is convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:43 PM
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Men make terrible fathers Women have more options to choose good men than men to choose good women. If they choose terrible fathers, that is their fault. Single mothers are demonized. Single mothers are AMAZING. A lot of single moms tried to use children to trap men, and it backfired. Single moms are not necessarily amazing just for opening legs, in fact they are reckless... because women have birth control, abortion, put to adoption power than men don't have, and yet they find a way to be singl…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:41 PM
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Yes, but why would women abandon their privileged to be treated as royalty by men? If you have not observed carefully, women want the best of tradition with the best of modernity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:37 PM
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Imagine if we somehow invent lab grown meat and therefore ban animal farming for food. Were we bad for eating meat meanwhile? Sadly, I don't see any scenario in which a lot of these bad institutions were not essential, at least in some contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:34 PM
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nonessential for the man It depends on the time and rate of men per women. That is why dowry was invented, to motivate some men to marry when there was a scarcity of men, or bride price when there was a scarcity of fertile women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:27 PM
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None of that justifies using women as sex slaves (systematic rape and exploitation). It is hard to imagine a fair society without the technology that allows us to implement it, though. The irony is that the comfortable life you enjoy now would not have possible without all the exploitation of men and women we condemn now. Imagine a time before big machines, before factories, automation, etc. Clearly bodies and animals had to do it all, and yet civilization itself created the technology that free…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:08 PM
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Neither do actual wives today, tho. They just work to pay for childcare and maids.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:06 PM
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Not true at all. Even amongst upper classes. How did you come to the conclusion that for all of civilized history a man provided resources to a woman in exchange for sex. In reality, men and women complimented each other with both working, sometimes the same tasks, sometimes different tasks. In today's world, where everything is institutionalized, money means power over all that labor and things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 02:00 PM
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but but but the EmOtIoNAl LabOr
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:56 PM
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Older times were hard for both men and women alike. Women depended on a husband because most jobs required body strength, but most husbands depended on very dangerous and moral jobs to survive too for wages that were very low. So men did not have it better. If anything, it was not women who were, on top of all shit, drafted to die on a random war. If you want to abolish marriage for that historical reason, you shall abolish a thousand things more, such as government, society, money, politics, et…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:50 PM
1

Don't worry! When they get deep into their 30s and left worthless, they will seek you to care for her and her bastards.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:47 PM
1

Yes, guy have to roll the eyes and commit for the hope of getting sex with some frequency, which sometimes does not work anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:45 PM
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incel "My only value is a hole, therefore if you don't have hole your argument is invalid"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:43 PM
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I'm not saying that men should do that, but clearly women have more sexual power (they have more options to choose men, therefore choose better partners), women also have more options of abortion and birth control. Therefore, women are way more accountable than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:42 PM
1

Agreed, imagine paying taxes for old fucks like you (and me) that will have no future and will never produce anything anymore. At least children will.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:36 PM
1

Yes, and I think that is why celebrities always divorce too. Moving so much or having jobs far away, is basically the kryptonite of any stable marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:33 PM
1

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/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 01:31 PM
2

Western Europe basically demonized birth and family. IDK why, but you can see the disgust they put when people claim they want a family and wife / husband with children... they literally see it as propaganda, even when it is the healthiest way to bring mentally healthy children to the world. The irony? Their welfare systems depend on people to work anyway. Imagine the propaganda they had to be exposed to not only prefer a life of loneliness just to "own the patriarchy" but also to destroy the ve…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 09:26 PM
2

Men aren't entitled to reproduce with whoever they want, or at all. Sure, and they are not entitled to a top 10% husband. They can keep taking their antidepressants, as half older women do, to cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 09:24 PM
1

On the flip side, it requires men to do the most dangerous, moral, disgusting jobs just to keep a comfortable space that allows women's rights to be possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 09:23 PM
2

The number of people is not the problem. The number of people working PER retiree will be a HUGE problem. Other people's children will HATE they have to keep you alive and probably will want you, and other childless retied people with huge political power sucking younger worker taxes, dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 09:22 PM
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A lot of women truly believe they can have a child in 35 as easily as if they were 22. No, really, the hole Heartly believe it so they don't feel they have a rush. Even if it was true that fertility stays the same (it does not), you still probably will be able to have one child, so fewer births overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 09:20 PM
0

It's strange because the same group that swears women want high value 6/6/6 also blame women for choosing bums and deadbeats A lot of those men are hot indeed, just terrible parents for their children. I guess women are just animals too, as men are. Men are just a little more honest in this aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 09:19 PM
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I have been with married men and I feel very bad after sucking their dicks. I remember sucking the dick of guy while he had pics of his family and children on his desktop. I don't think men cheating is worse than women cheating, but they occur on different stages: Women cheat when the love/relationship is basically over. Men cheat when they get a chance, and from then on the relationship starts to crumble. In both cases, the decision to cheat is dishonest and damaging. So I get why you think tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:54 PM
0

You would think TRP holds deadbeat fathers accountable with how badly they speak about single mothers. I think it is more like a shadow of real life. In real life bad fathers are criticized way more than bad moms, and sometimes bad moms are justified on grounds of things like mental illness, or "being a parent so young", neither of which are acceptable when applied to men for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:52 PM
-1

Yeah, I have the same hypothesis but it is very hard to prove such subjective things. Sometimes also some guys are called deadbeats for not being there a lot of time just to work overtime to give the kids a better future. Sometimes they contribute from afar, but most love their kids even if they are not there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 08:50 PM
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Women complain at another stage... the guy not committing or not marrying after fucking for 8 years or something, so they are not complaining of loneliness but on men not committing 100% (which is stupid because there is no use for commitment anymore, it is a dead compromise you can break at any time anywa). Men complain at the stage of never meeting women in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:49 PM
3

My point is that just for that reason is that marriage is obsolete in the first place. You can get interest or attraction or even make a family without marriage, which only adds liabilities. Unless you have a spiritual or cultural reason to marry, it is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:46 PM
6

It was almost like my entire world was about gaining female acceptance and being a part of female friend groups and men were just there some times. It is mostly like that for both genders. Most men don't enjoy female friends if they are not getting sex or options to date with them... unless they are gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:42 PM
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I don't wanna be in a relationship where my partner doesn't find me attractive. That is a very contemporary criteria. For most of history marriage was more like a partnership to have children, not for shit like love or likes that comes and goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:41 PM
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Yes, they describe "being single" as just being the side chick of chad. Some of them get baby fever and marry the first loser they find, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:39 PM
0

They don't choose to be single, they just outprice themselves out of the market... but the buyers never comes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:38 PM
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Considering older women are the greatest user of antidepressants and state assisted dead, I wonder how much they truly enjoy losing the only value they have (sexual).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:37 PM
9

In reality she know what her options are and one of them is being forever single. Well, they are not forever alone, they are fucking those top men on the site... they just know they will never be other than a side chick. Yes, women prefer to be free prostitutes of those men than marry men their level, but that is how women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:37 PM
2

Good point and great choice. Sadly, most men, even at your age, will still suffer of FOMO shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:29 PM
1

Horoscopes, crystals, female iNtUiTiOn... they don't seem to work very well, considering the kind of men these women end up dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:28 PM
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Men can pay for regular sex or get it for free from the right people. Some men can, some don't. Paying $150 for sex once or spending 50$ each night at club to maybe get sex, is not very realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:24 PM
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This is what 100% of lonely men should do, as a life affirming decision. Assume for a while they will never find love, maybe for 2 or 3 years, and assume the next best single life is available for them to get easily. Ironically this can increase their chances to find love, but overall they will find that a lot of things can keep us relatively happy even if they are not as high as love or family (which is not our fault we cannot get anyway).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:22 PM
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Enjoy retiring with 35 and be lonely for the rest of your life. If that was guaranteed I would retire at that age but stay lonely, I would take it in no time. Also plenty of guys are lonely anyway, so why not better sacrifice it all and go all in into your own interests? Any loneliness can be fixed with antidepressants, but being homeless in your 50s... not. Fortunately you are most likely to prosper and retire long term if you have a partner, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:18 PM
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On one side, it is nice to have two incomes, but being single has many advantages, financially speaking, especially for men: Generally fewer expenses, only for yourself. Men usually don't spend stuff in makeup or clothes as much as women. Most efficient and targeted use of money because you are not spending on others, but only on what you truly want/need... instead on what you think others may want or need. You accrue assets that are only yours, no woman can parasite them from you, although the …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 06:15 PM
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Good point. The whole complain about those men here is just to make other men PAY for their bastards. They will not stop fucking those men, they can't. It is like a drug to them and somehow other men have to pay for it because ???
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 05:53 PM
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Men just want regular sex, not female's hypocritical sympathy and "emotional labor" bullshit. The problem is the effort guys have to put just to get the hole, they have to accept the who baggage attached to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 05:50 PM
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Men could always just choose better sexual partners What parts of "men don't have many options" you cannot get? Even if they choose the best option of 4, the 4 may be terrible women. Women and men can keep doing stupid things and having bastards... but so far women have been protected from criticism, and they shall be shamed for basically being factories of incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 05:37 PM
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This post is not about domestic abuse tho
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 04:26 PM
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Is that a bad thing? Someone has to provide a surplus of money for the comfort of the family, and sometimes that requires long hours and sacrifice. Men providing by being away from their family does not mean they hate their family.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 03:10 PM
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You’ve just said it takes 2 to make a baby, you are still responsible for the consequences of your actions I agree with both. I'm just pointing out how women have a way better deal in this arrangement. Men have less options to choose women so they may have to settle for harpies. Men have less options to use birth control than women. Men have no right to end pregnancy if they don't want to be fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 03:09 PM
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As women say men, I say the same to women with insecurity and similar issues: It is YOUR responsibility to take care of your mental health, not your partner's. No free emotional labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 03:04 PM
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I'm just saying what women would do and get away with if they could. Just as the comment I was responding to claiming men would not care about children they birth. Not saying that is the case currently (fortunately).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 03:03 PM
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What reproductive rights have woman got that men dont? Good question I'll take on good faith. Some rights or advantages women have on reproduction: Abortion (or micro-abortion if the first is illegal), most birth control methods are also available for women, and women have more options to pick men than most men to pick women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 03:02 PM
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Last time I checked, men were able to control where they stick their dick and in who they cum. They also control if they use condoms or get a vasectomy. Yes, and women have control on who they open the legs to. So you agree that at least they are partially responsible for choosing irresponsible men as father of their kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 03:00 PM
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Not unless they live in a podunk little town... Ironically dating people who you have meet for years in a small town makes more sense than just fucking a guy third day after meeting him and then complaining he is not a responsible father. Ironic how much city people despise small towns considering the shitshow that dating is on their junkie cities. But even living in cities is not an excuse. Maybe he is not presenting his friends, or his digital trace is edited or hidden, or you can meet his exe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:55 PM
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If we actually act like men and hold ourselves accountable and stop nutting in women left and right if we aren’t ready for the responsibility. It takes two to have sex and take a baby. Yet most men have way fewer options than most women, they get less sex (only few men get most of sex) and they have less reproductive power (if you nut in her and she gets pregnant, you are forced to be a father if she wants it). Putting women in a moral pedestal to justify their terrible decisions and somewhat ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:49 PM
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There are always outliers. Why would a manipulative person wait years if it is simply easier to simply be good? No idea, but it is rare. In fact I would say in most cases it is women baby trapping those men and then complain the guy does not trust her ever again, in which case, again, it is her responsibility and the guy is just a victim of forced fatherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:46 PM
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Sounds like a good point to support paper abortion, though. If women could fuck top 2% men and have their children and be maintained by the guy forever, they would take it, even being a side chick and enslaving the rest of men to pay for their selfish lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:45 PM
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Why is it when women make mistakes, it's important to "hold them accountable", but when men make mistakes, they "don't count as men, they just count as the mistake a woman is responsible for"? As someone mentioned, men don't have reproductive rights. They are forced to be dads even if just the condom breaks and she wants a baby. Men also don't have much leverage choosing sexual partners. Most men struggle to get sex and relationships. Therefore, women have most rights, leverage and decision powe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:42 PM
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because of deadbeat dads. Men they CHOOSE even having WAY more options than men, they keep choosing the same bad men. So yes, I hold women 100% responsible as they control the sexual market.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:18 PM
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Human genetic history, and DNA tests, prove incels right if that is what they are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:17 PM
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You can never tell if they're just looking for friendship or actually hitting on you. Yeah, I only know it was romantic interest when they suddenly lose interest for me and start ignoring me. I had a female neighbor that was very friendly to me, and "casually" appeared around me. I'm autistic so I did not escalate it, so she lost interest and now I basically don't exist to her. So yes, they are very subtle but not subtle when they lose interest. Very wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:15 PM
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Mental disease is largely not genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:12 PM
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If there is no romance and no genuine family unit then that would be a rather empty shell of an existence. Most children today are not born in very stable couples anyway, so it makes no much difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:11 PM
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The wall for women doesn’t exist when it comes to finding romantic/sexual attention It depends how you define a wall. Women lose more attraction than men at some age. Yet men never have much attraction in the first place, so they don't have much to lose. You can see the trauma of karens, who were often attractive women and still try to be attractive, but lost some attraction and now they are very mad and angry at everyone around for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:10 PM
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Women know, they know the exes, the post history, etc. They just are too arrogant and believe they are the ones to change the guy... just because he is hot, that's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:08 PM
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they are the solution to the overpopulation crisis. Overpopulation is a myth. If overpopulation was real, however, you would want to remove older people who consume more health resources rather than working and environment aware younger people. I don't think you want to be included in the purge list, though, which is very hypocritical from antihuman genocidal people like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:07 PM
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Technically they do it for themselves, indeed, the criteria of beauty for themselves accrues value from sexual attention from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:05 PM
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Good point, but the risk of that is that it is most likely those women will be sexually used by those men. Ironically women who get money of many men are more likely to succeed overall than those who just want top men who will never settle for an aging asset.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:03 PM
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Last time I checked, no one is forcing them to use makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 02:03 PM
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Usually, we adjust average to the people we relate to. In this case, if you have a group of friends that meet with some frequency for you to know this, then I would say they are at least over average on that aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 08:46 PM
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A lot of mental issues are not severe. If they were, like most moms should have their children be taken away. Mental issues are also often not genetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 08:22 PM
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So, are they marrying so both have paternal rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 08:19 PM
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People have crazy-warped ideas of what they really need economically to have kids. Basically money is the god of this world. Very sad. Not only to have kids... people are really getting in endless debt they will never pay for a job that barely pays, or buying houses at such high prices than they then don't have money to repair them and keep them OK. It is so fucked up how people treat money and relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 08:11 PM
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Yes, but for the other one to have rights, she has to adopt. Otherwise the biological mom can take the kid away and the other one be left in dust, also the other "mom" has no legal obligation to help even if she agreed. Not saying it is better or worse than any other kind of relationships, though, just saying that if they do it well it may work, but if not, it may be a disaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 08:03 PM
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plot twist: it is sperm from a tall man that will die in his 30s because XYY syndrome.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 08:01 PM
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That is nice for them, but will the other one adopt? Otherwise she may invest in motherhood for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 08:00 PM
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why would a woman risk having to deal for the rest of her life with someone that can be potentially an asshole while she can raise the kid with someone who she has a more stable relationship like her best friend? I guess that a lot of those hypothetical women would have tried to get such relationship, but they failed and now they have few years of fertility and they want to have a child. Also living with a friend may not imply the friend is open to be like a parent or contribute income as an act…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 07:36 PM
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Men aren’t born with front loaded value like women. Exactly. Women get mad when they lose some of that value, even when it is natural and expected.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 07:33 PM
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Yes. I observe a lot of women often assume sex is love, too. Maybe they are not very aware of this, in which case it is unfair to judge them that way, but it is very disheartening how they deny reality... even if lies hurt men in their own family and children.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 07:32 PM
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I'm sorry but someone who is socially inept and can't handle having well-functioning relationships with his peers isn't someone who I think would do a great job raising a child well. I disagree, I think that ability to attract, socialize, be good husband, be good parent, etc. are mostly unrelated variables, but I respect your view.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 07:08 PM
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Not all women can afford to raise a kid on her own only, and they may want a male for income and help them raise the kid. Also not all men can rent a womb.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 07:06 PM
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Yes, I read that after certain IQ you get even WORSE with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:54 PM
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I don't get what race or politics have anything to do with thi Migration, laws, birth rates... it has everything to do with race relationships and politics. Florida? Not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:53 PM
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Are you implying that you live in Section 8 housing and I should feel sorry for you? I'm not black. Stop your racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:51 PM
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In addition, you are planning a family where each of you will live elsewhere. How will it be with the care of the child? If there will be shared custody, how will you handle the situation when one of you decides to move? In addition, shared custody has a lot of disadvantages in itself. All valid questions, indeed. I guess they can be handled in the same way courts handle divorced parents, but hopefully with more empathy for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:49 PM
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I kind of of agree with you, but why deny the right to people who would want to?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:48 PM
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I don't get what Florida or politics have anything to do with this. Rent free.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:47 PM
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if they're too autistic or socially anxious to be able to deal with relationships with adult Over 80% of autistic men never marry, even if they are slightly autistic. They may not be able to deal with a relationship, but be great parents. They are too robotic to make women feel attracted, but they still can be great human beings in other categories like parenthood, probably even more so than men that just want to have fun. In the same way many women are terrible wives or gf, totally crazy and ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:45 PM
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Yes, but a lot of women and men probably would not reduce standards for that but still want the options to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:43 PM
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It is not what they like or not. A man being fuckable material does not make him a good father. They may like a guy for a father of their kid but not as husband. I get women ALWAYS make it about themselves in their narcissism, but that is not the point. A sperm donor may have some desirable physical traits but the guy may have other traits not describable that are not desirable (e.g. mental issues). A lot of women cannot afford to raise a kid on their own and a lot of men cannot afford to rent a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:42 PM
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The other issues are that no matter what total population level you think is ideal, below replacement TFR quickly takes the population to zero, mathematically. And it isn't as if we understand why TFR is so low so that we can magically turn it back up again when you hit the 'ideal' population total. TFR is not only below replacement, it seems to be in uncontrollable freefall with no sense of the bottom. The first solution was exponential growth, which is not sustainable. The second solution was …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:40 PM
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There will be far less dry, let alone arable land, to support equatorial populations. Sure, and the poles would melt by 2005. If this sub can agree on anything, it's that women feel liberated and empowered as soon as they taste the sweet, sweet air of the Western SMP. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:36 PM
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No offense but the only way a woman is going to have a baby with a autistic or socially awkward male is if she’s in love with him. If those traits are a genetic concern, then it is worse and way riskier if they choose a sperm donor they don't know at all. But hey, they can still have children with the same guys that fuck and dump them.... that way worse for the kid raising without support. That’s why the sperm bank is full of cum from 6 foot, muscular doctors who have a 135 IQ and not full of cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:36 PM
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Western(ized) countries with declining birthrates don't need to legalize novel solutions to promote family creation and get back to replacement rate or better I'm sure this issue does not need to be "legalized" but rather it is not very popular culturally speaking. ... they can just let in more climate change refugees. While this is anathema to nationalists/'racial purity' zealots, countries like the United States have been melting pots since their very inception (male colonists and women from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:33 PM
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Autism is genetic as is social anxiety. A wise woman who is seeking to have her own children would not do so with a man she has no affections for knowing he has a significant disability like this. She would seek out a man who has generally genetically "good" genes. It is not very clear that autism is genetic, but there may be a very weak link. It is most likely related to environmental exposition by the mom while she is pregnant. Most women choosing this path have their own money and do not need…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:30 PM
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because you have to be able to trust that person to be able to raise a child with them Good point, but to be fair a man that is sexual or romantic with her does not mean he will be a good father and stay. There are other times of background check for a good father. Precisely that is the female strategy of marrying the beta while fucking and getting pregnant by the attractive guy behind... thanks to science that is over, and even if your grandma was a whore all family will eventually know because…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:18 PM
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Because falling birth rates is the not the apocalyptic problem dudes on this sub make it out to be, so most people don't view it as a problem that needs to be fixed. Most people don't see a lot of problems like needed to be fixed, such as climate change, so what they think is irrelevant. The problem is not the decrease of people, but the proportion of working people vs retired people. Imagine having 80% retired population, keep by a working 15% population. It is mathematically unavoidable if bir…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:16 PM
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Bad assumption, but still applies. Women somehow are trying to sell themselves as the biggest victims and also somehow the best winners, and it is so contradictory and stupid than I'm glad men are not taking them seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 06:05 PM
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Women already indirectly hit on men they are interested on. For example, they take their time to be around them, give them gifts, invite them to parties, etc. Women also would not be able to handle rejection, while men are rejected since birth, even as "defective girls" by school, so they are used to it unless they are very problematic and violent, in which case it makes no difference if they are rejected or not. Women hate putting any effort in dating, beyond just looking right, which is very i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:57 PM
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Men have it hard when they can’t learn to process their emotions. Nothing to do with I'm saying, though. Of course they’re falling behind .... Glad many women are not gaslighting anymore about "how privileged men are" just to force them to get a position they don't even deserve for having a hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:50 PM
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They only care about his commitment for her, women don't really want any commitment from themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:43 PM
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It is not the problem that the standards exist, but the gaslighting and dishonesty women have about what they want. It is unbelievable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:42 PM
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Awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:38 PM
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My mistake, I'm not saying antidepressants cause school shooters or karens or whatever, but rather that they inhibit negative emotions that would otherwise keep those people in their place. For context, you can see that same issue in men. The biggest problem is also the use of drugs such as cocaine for productivity. We have workers working 100 hours a day thanks to some drugs, so we normal people have to compete against addicts, because the economic system reward high value addicts working overt…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:34 PM
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You have a good point. In a sense, men's value fluctuates a lot, as they have failures and successes, while for women the curve is more deterministic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 05:31 PM
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You can find anything online, and yes, I've found women with such cognitive dissonance about the wall. Same with some men, too, who somehow believe that they are still as hot as in their 20s. The irony is that the wall argument never came from men, but from Women trying to manipulate men into committing to them before it is too late to have children, "the clock is ticking". It had little to do with dating or attraction until very recently.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 04:01 PM
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[ many develop a swaggering, intimidating persona in an attempt to disguise their underlying fears, resentments, anxieties, and unhappiness. ] Doesn't sound like incels to me. Actually sounds more like a Chad. Neither. It sounds more like a frustrated beta trying to prove himself. Chads are relaxed and chill, incels don't even leave house. More evidence of how ignorant women are even about terms used by internet for years. But my point is that social life is frustrated for men if they don't have…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 03:09 PM
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"Incel" is not an academic term, so other terms of bad socialization are used. Father Absence, Father Deficit, Father Hunger | Psychology Today
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:49 PM
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The Real, Complex Connection Between Single-Parent Families and Crime - The Atlantic
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:32 PM
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Having a single mom raise you is terrible for their sons. Single moms are factories of incels and criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:28 PM
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It's tough, especially if you're not neurotypical. But like most other things, social skills is truly a skill. For those people it is better to give up. Selling them false hopes of ever getting social is cruel. At the end women only want those men to try for them to abuse them and for the state to tax their labor as long as they think there is a reason to contribute to this shit society for them (there is none, let it starve).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:25 PM
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For it to be an issue of 80% of single men, it seems more like a social shit test rather than those men having issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:24 PM
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Why do women care so much about commitment? It is literally the most obsolete trait for a relationship today. Women and children wouldn't starve if the guy leaves, not anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:06 PM
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I made this topic with the intent to adress men who are wasting time watching pearls or sneako and not doing anything with their life That is just entertainment, which ironically is probably way more applicable and useful than gossip about celebrities.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 02:00 PM
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I notice women here say often two things and both cannot be true at the same time. Wall for women don't exist. bUt mEn alSoa hAvE a WaLL Pick one. Men always and will always have it hard. Ask your stupid loser brother or son, he is likely part of the 70% of men unable to find love or caring woman, or had a long period dry. Men don't need a wall, they are already walled by reality. Saying men have a "wall" given an arbitrary criteria will not make our reality worse than it already is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 01:44 PM
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I don't hate antidepressants, I used them for a while myself, the problem is that they are overprescribed at best and at worse used as a coping mechanism. That is why school shooters often were on antidepressants. They felt good even when they should have felt wrong and face their own hate and despair. If you give them a pill to feel better the feelings that kept them in check and motivated them to improve are shut down.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 01:24 PM
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True, they are pickier, but at that age those women also have lost some buying power as they age. This is the failure of the natural system in contrast to the cultural system... remember that for most of history most women already had a husband before being 20. Why would a high value man successful man in his 30s choose you instead of a 20-something educated college girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 01:23 PM
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Women don’t need men to take care of them. Women, however, do need the state to tax the hell of men to subsidize their bastards and spreadsheet jobs and bad decisions in dating, though. So independent, for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 01:18 PM
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They somehow find a way to lose living in tutorial mode... only to prove "they are different" or some shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/23 01:17 PM
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Women still have way more sexual value on average in every age, but the top of that value is maybe a decade of their lives. They just complain they lose some of that value. But women are not worthless, they just have to play the game very well in those years to lock a high quality husband in that time, which is not hard if they respect themselves. Make no mistake... they still have like 10x more chance to find love than average men ever will.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 09:18 PM
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Well, many women do use the interest of men to get that, using manipulation. But sometimes is a misunderstanding. If those men wanted a relationship and not friendship, those men often just leave. It is always women who get mad at that as if they were entitled to male friendship. They are not, just as those men are not entitled to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 09:15 PM
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Years, but men usually don't feel the female needs to just tell my problems to feel better. Men feel way better doing actually useful stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 08:58 PM
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A lot... but only a young woman. For average older woman most men are clearly move valuable and useful overall. Heck, even homeless and jobless men probably have more car maintenance skills than average women. Women's value is very concentrated in their youth and fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 08:55 PM
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It is not also their job to LIE to us, especially women, who basically destroyed this generation of men by raising them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 08:17 PM
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If one man was bullied and abused as a child and ended up growing up with low self esteem, it's not natural selection. It is probably single moms destroying any chance for their male children to ever find true love or at least have a stable family if they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 08:16 PM
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It would be natural selection if it was a genetic trait. In any case, you probably mean sexual selection. In any case, I doubt it is genetic disadvantage because if it was it would also affect women. For example, if a genetic defect makes you blind and reduces your chances of getting sex it probably also affects the women from choosing better partners. It affects both genders, while the "mental" traits you describe usually only affect men on dating. Certainly, part of personality can be explaine…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 08:13 PM
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but blame women for the "trauma" that MEN CAUSED. Imagine having all dating in power and sex as women do, and STILL find a way to lose and blame men YOU have chosen again and again.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 08:09 PM
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Yes, but women can drop the guy or put an ultimatum and find another boyfriend if they want that same week.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 07:13 PM
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You don't burn social bridges by being a bitch and expect then later for people to forgive and treat you as an equal. Yes, it is an ego thing, but it was her ego that ruined any potentiality in the first place for no valid and logical reason at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 06:59 PM
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she is better Having a hole that gives you some power on male lust does not make you better, though. Not a talent, and sadly that is the only thing many women have to offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 06:57 PM
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Sure, just pointing out that a woman investing 700 minutes to get a good partner in an app, having all that options, is not a loss of time but actual good research. For men, indeed, it is mostly a loss of time he will never get back.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 06:56 PM
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When a husband or boyfriend is no longer motivated by sex or the false promise of sex he becomes worthless to her because her power is gone. Yes, perfectly put.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 06:50 PM
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Indeed, women still have more sexual value, but they get crazy when they lose like 50% of the attention. Men who never had much attention have not much to lose. That is how you have the karen, the crazy female neighbor, the nasty old lady, etc. and almost in every social metric of likability older women are way worse than older men. Don't forget the antidepressants.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 06:24 PM
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I'm sure there are plenty of good decent women, but men often notice these patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:19 PM
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Because they know it's the main thing he might be missing and the most valuable thing woman can offer him. Women hate to admit it, but all the makeup industry, clothes, etc. is about sex appeal. They know that is the true power women have, and they exploit it even being in denial. I mean, if I was a woman I would also exploit it, but women often obfuscate the truth and claim that is not the case. I wonder why... the reason is probably they don't want to admit that is their 90% power over men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:10 PM
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A lot of older women still expect to be able to be attractive to the same attractive men they were able to attract in their 20s. The fact is that, both genders, loose looks by age, and that is OK and normal. It is healthier to admit it and be happy with what you have now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:08 PM
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So? Women also resent top men for not choosing or committing to them. Guys also resent that women never get over their ex's, and see the current guy as "you must be grateful I have chosen you" as if she really would not have chosen a better man if she could. No, bitch, you only date less because you don't have any options anymore... you lost looks, you are toxic and you have trauma that other men have to deal with because your bad decisions. Guys are often more honest about their standards and d…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 09:04 PM
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I get it, and I think that at that point ignoring the person from now on may be the most appropriate. But I would not burn my bridges applying silent treatment to a neighbor I don't know without knowing him first. But again, that is my reasoning, maybe women do have other reasons to ignore the guy in the first place that I'm not aware of... maybe the guy looks like a junkie or something, so that I can understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 08:12 PM
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It is usually the assumption you make about the strangers. Remember the girl that got mad at a guy for talking to her while the guy was just giving her dropped keys back. If you want to be an asshole, go on, but then don't go to reddit to bitch about the "lack of community in your building" or "how the guy watched and did not help" or some shit like that, which is very common. I live in a condo and so far it is almost always female neighbors asking me for help, almost never male neighbors. Last …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 08:10 PM
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First, women do have options to have sex with guys way better than them, and then when they cannot manipulate those guys into commitment, then they go for lower guys with all their emotional baggage and bad self steem (and maybe a few bastards too). Most Guys are not able to even try being with more attractive girls. Second, I think the problem is the fundamental dishonesty of women's attraction to men. Women tell all kind of bullshit from "compatibility" to "good vibes" when all their attractio…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 08:01 PM
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It is a thing for a very valid reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:47 PM
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Same, as a guy I ignore screaming women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:42 PM
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a lot of those dudes are not looking to have a sense of community, they want to get in her pants There is no sense of community in like 99% of houses in USA. Also there is nothing wrong with romantic or sexual interest. If you don't desire the guy back, just don't feed the conversation. No need to be mad at... wow, so terrible, someone finds you attractive, the horror.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 07:39 PM
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Yes, but after a while, after they sucked the guy dry.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 05:37 PM
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Exactly. Just be a slave to corporations and taxes, bro. Women also have motivation, but ironically it seems to be "prove they can do as much as men". But what is the motivation of men? They never ask that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 02:58 PM
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emotionally unavailable men. Ironically those are the men getting the most sex and women attempting to "fix" them the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:58 PM
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I get it. Same instinct why men are not romantic nor fall in love with older women. Nothing wrong with that, as all women at least had a chance of being young and attractive. Many men don't ever are attractive, so women still win.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:51 PM
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That is asking for too much. Why not asking for a satisfying relationship for maybe 2 to 10 years? That is way more realistic and you can have very happy years.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:49 PM
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you're going to be single and rejected either way. Society isnt giving these men an incentive to do otherwise. The worse decision would be to work to death for a society that gives you nothing back.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:34 PM
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We’ve effectively built a first world bubble economy full of fake, woman-centric work like HR managers or other cushy office jobs Yeah, and they want the power positions without any experience in the industry as a whole. Imagine being a worker, working 15 years from down to up... for the upper position to be given to a graduate woman just because she is a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:33 PM
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Yes, but that kind of thinking is the same of rich people... the best house, best boat, etc. Even if you get an average boyfriend that is way more than nothing at all, which is what a good amount of men get.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:29 PM
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True, but rather I think conservative societies will take over. Liberal values are not sustainable. Liberal values depend on a stable population that willl not remain stable if people have no children. Liberalism is a suicide cult... no wonder they need to push for it globally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:28 PM
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It does not matter, you still have the option. Even if you get in debt some idiot will pay for it just to have sex with you once a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:27 PM
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Women who didn't want children don't regret not having them. Yes, but not all women who did not have children wanted to remain childless.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:26 PM
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I remember reading it, but weirdly when I search about it only statistics of parents that regret come up. Why I Regret Not Having Children | Psychology Today
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:25 PM
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Yes. Individual freedoms are basically luxury. Royalty always had it, then most people had it thanks to industrialization. But now all is regulating back.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:12 PM
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700 minutes is over 10 hours a week. The sorting is like a part time job. Well, when you get the guy that is over. Meanwhile men have indeed to work almost a side job to maybe get a date and they may fail for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:11 PM
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Women don't need tinder to get sex and men, they just have to go to a bar and smile..., but tinder is a good barometer of attractiveness and the privilege women have.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:11 PM
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Even an average boyfriend, even if for sex or to buy you food sometimes, is way more than never having any options as the case of many men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:10 PM
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The paradox is that men with options don't want to marry but those without options want.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:08 PM
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most of these women are already old and look bad True, and often they already have children. They are damaged forever and still ask for such high price.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:07 PM
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Yes, but I think the scarcity of women is more on age. Most guys don't want old chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:07 PM
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I would say yes, women have a more vulnerable position because pregnancy and stuff, but thanks to the state and infrastructure they don't have to suffer alone. For example, there are churches, synagogues, non profits, government, etc. there to help them with their children and so on in the worst case. There are also men open to relationships and help her and the children if the husband leaves. Commitment is more obsolete by the day, and yet women still stick to it. Even worse, commitment for wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:06 PM
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In the same token those men don't have to pay taxes or work or protect you, so even if you take that away, don't expect them to open their ass to you and the gynocentric society.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 01:01 PM
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Why is the solution to these dudes not being able to get laid always to take away women's rights? Why is the solution to these women not being able to get "equality" is always to take away men's spaces and roles and force them to accept them legaly?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:59 PM
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In objective terms I would agree, but women don't want a good man, they want the best men to cause envy to friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/23 12:56 PM
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Women are like rich people, they can live on debt and have all wealth in non liquid assets because everyone can give them money with low interest. Women don't need to settle because they can get a boyfriend in a day if they want. Of course women are not missing what they de facto have.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:59 PM
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It still makes no sense the emphasis on commitment as a condition for a good relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:57 PM
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Not all women, of course, but a lot of those women have no problem relating just because how horny men are... so yes, they are only likable human beings for making guys horny, which makes them dependent on men in an odd way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:55 PM
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It works for any percent, though, as long as the percent of marriageable men is less than the women wanting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:31 PM
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Sure, I just pointing out that having more or fewer kids, or being poor or not, does not necessarily reflect genetic quality because so many variables. For instance, if a genetic trait make people richer and higher life quality and smarter, they also have fewer kids and therefore spread less their genetics even at higher survival. Nature rarely provides a strategy without downsides if there are people who have lived it for centuries. K-Strategy and r-strategy are a thing, and at some point it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 03:17 PM
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A housewife, caring for the house and children and doing the most for her home and family, is kind of independent too. I mean, reducing it to economic income is also dangerous. Not everyone is able to get an income for themselves, some people are sick or old, and yet they can be independent in their own way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 02:59 PM
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They had to settle for less, though. It is mathematically impossible to be 20% better men for every one of those women, unless there are way more men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 02:53 PM
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If you use the typical definition of independence, then most adults with a job are independent. The idea of "independent women" is just praising women for just being... what? Functional adults forced to feed themselves, as most men are? How is that a talent?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 02:49 PM
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So men must get sex for paying taxes? That is the huge problem we have as a society. In the past societies created monogamy for this reason, for most men to get sex and also pay society tax, but not monogamy is basically dead. Even most people who are monogamous date multiple people in their lives. The imbalance will just get worse. Fewer men will be desirable and those men who get sex get even more sex, and the state (including all men) pay for it. At the end, this is not women's or men's fault…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 02:11 PM
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Women hate feminist men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:59 PM
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Socially we depend on both genders to make our societies work. Yes, which makes any claim about "independent woman" fundamentally bullshit. They still depend on the collective of both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:58 PM
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No. Not exaggerated at all. Most men with autism never get married, way over 70%. Think about it: Chad-looking men, fit men, etc. can be autistic, and yet be less likely to marry than a fat neurotypical guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:46 PM
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No one respects the passport bros there, at least not in Ukraine. Least of all the women that date them. The western equivalent would be a loser trust fund kid marrying an ex stripper who wants to settle down. As long as they get more sex than zero, what foreigners in a poor country believe is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:37 PM
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Those women still depend on men (by taxes, male family members, orbiters they manipulate, male friends they use, etc.) I find it quite ironic how many women depend on male horniness to even be liked because they have the most disgusting narcissistic personality ever... and yet they are so "independent".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:33 PM
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The vast majority of men can not change a tire, build a house, or fix a car. I do observe most guys just pull a phone, find a video in YouTube and do it even if they never did it before. Women rather pay a guy $200 dollar to a mechanic or abuse an orbiter. But yes, most men are sheep of the state, and so are women, but women rather work as enforcer agents of top men. Yes, women basically are slaves of top men and abuse men below just to keep the power of those men and maybe get them as husbands …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:26 PM
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Women do contribute to families and society, but most of their contribution cannot be easily distributed or taxed, as I said. Meanwhile male labor and assets can and are heavily taxed and distributed. Therefore, only few men get all the benefits that women provide while all men are taxed and all women get benefit of male labor. It is not so hard to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:25 PM
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I pay over $10,000 a year in property and school tax. I pay for kids I dont even have on top of my mortgage. Yes, but to be fair those kids will grow and care for your old ass when no one visits you (or me, btw) in your nursing home you were forced to go by the state. Meanwhile, men are paying for even not receiving something NOW. Women can get sex and love easily, men don't, while men are still required to pay as much taxes if not more than women. The state and companies and families are also m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:23 PM
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All this gibberish and all you need to do is meet someone who genuinely enjoys you and treat them as human beings. Equally. Women don't want an equal, they want a guy that is better than other guys. Obviously not all women will get that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:21 PM
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Why you are attacking the messenger? I'm also explaining how they think. The danger is not knowing how they think, or even if they do have a point (even expressing it terribly).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:20 PM
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And then they wonder why women don’t want them when they don’t really want women. I think apathic guys don't overlap with desperate guys, though. Women do love to put them all in the same bag just to feel better with themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/23 01:18 PM
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Yes, we replaced slaves with machines. So far this problem has been caused by technology, even legal and cultural technology such as human rights and law. Will we reject part of the tech that caused it? I highly doubt it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 09:08 PM
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Well, it is something fundamental. Hard to empathize for people who have that in abundance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 08:19 PM
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They do, but for example, almost no woman would date a poorer man, and almost no man would date or marry without sex.... but you can find men often can marry poor women, and women often can live a sexless marriage relatively happy. I'm talking in generalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 08:17 PM
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Of them, a small percentage of very wealthy men provide a gigantic portion of total tax revenue. That is true, but also you have labor. Most labor paid by those taxes is from men, keeping infrastructure working so women can do their spreadsheet jobs. If you reduce labor to half, your money only have half value. That is why I don't think we will retire ever... population will go down, so will labor, so prices will go up and up as fewer people will be available to get the money and they will ask f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 07:32 PM
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I mean, relatively to what we put in the system, we get little to nothing. Imagine you work overtime, 14 hours a day, and someone come and gets the same payment and benefits working 4 hours in the same job position. Obviously you are the one paying for that person to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 07:29 PM
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I'm not nihilist, but I see that the system indeed is designed to make us the least reliant on other individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 07:27 PM
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Well, that was my point, that we don't need individual people anymore... relationships are more a luxury.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 07:25 PM
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Can you show me a source that the average man pays more than the average woman? Are women paying 60% less income tax than men? - Full Fact Of course, women contribute to society as much, but again, in their contribution it is mostly untaxable so only benefits their own family or themselves. How can you expect not to pay into a tax system but still both benefit and lead an enjoyable life. If sticking it to these single women is enough to bring you joy, good for you. There are many ways... for exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:58 PM
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That is the worst part... we have no idea, and likely it is impossible at this point. Even if we returned to treating women like property, which will never happen and men don't want, it would not work because the technology made society so fundamentally different. I suspect that sexist lower-tech cultures will just take over, and the west will never find a solution because there is none. Or maybe hormone disruptors make men even weaker and sex becomes something of the past... no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:48 PM
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What incels "want" cannot be implemented and honestly it seems rather a reduction to absurd, but they do have a point. Traditionally, partnership was an exchange between men's resources and women's sex and fertility. The state had worked a lot to distribute men's resources, but those men don't necessarily get the sex and fertility they need/want from women. So men are basically forced to work for women that don't give them anything back. Average men are basically contributing for nothing to just…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:45 PM
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It is easy to tax earnings and assets, which are the things that happen to be produced the most by men and benefit women the most. But what women give, such as care or sex or love, cannot be easily taxed. Therefore, this creates a power imbalance. Only a few men get back what they put in the system. Men are also heavily shamed by media, state, government, etc. for not working, even when working only marginally benefits them to maybe be able to afford rent. Meanwhile women can still live with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:39 PM
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You dont get married for sex unless youre a fundamentalist. Sex is a fundamental part of marriage, nothing to do with religion, but certainly commitment has also some benefits for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:36 PM
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It’s pretty weak to blame society for not going after what you really want My criticism is that society often cares for stuff that benefits women, such as distribution of resources, while needs men have (sex) are not distributed. In the past obviously there was more balance, but it benefited men so women were abused. Both way are wrong, but to be fair, I don't think there is an easy fix... in fact, I suspect the West will have to die first before a solution is found, and that is the way of lower…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:21 PM
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Men often say "just don't be fat", but they have A LOT of other standards. Yes, but only if they have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:19 PM
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Sex workers don't add any social validation, in fact men are shamed for them. Also make the math... no matter how rich the guy is, a wife is always cheaper, more reliable and important.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:10 PM
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Not justifying the abominable irrational dating decisions of average women, but this makes sense because a cute face cannot defend them but height is a huge advantage if there is violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:08 PM
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My concerns are not genes, as women are not fucking genetically inferior men and honestly the genetic pressure is not that bad. My concern is how those kids are growing without a family, without a father, with an emotionally stable mom, old moms, etc. We are basically creating a class of kids that technically has parents but are raised like orphans. No wonder mental health is worse. Now, tech is compensating for all of this very well, but it sucks that all tech improvement is set back or compens…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:06 PM
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Ironically poor people in the past probably had better genetics because (1) royals used to inbreed and (2) the poor were naturally selected to be stronger. Today, we get the worst of both the past and the recent modern times in dating. It is very dysgenic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:03 PM
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Couldn't shake me off A simp whose probably option was you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 06:01 PM
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Sure, but you see in the west a lot of "loving" relationships with no commitment that break up after like 4 years. The 3rd world does not have that luxury. Relationships there also cost money and are risky, so better they commit, as kids are also expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:58 PM
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The point of not being dependent on others for your happiness is that it is easier to be independent. It doesn't matter if you have a partner or not, you can be happy and fulfilled. Agreed, but better said than done. Also if you have to not need a relationship to be happy, then what is the point of getting one in the first place?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:56 PM
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Having relationships is a way of experiencing the world and others in it intimately, that is just a whole nother level of being. Like another plane of existence. It adds depth to one's life. Agreed, but if someone had bad experience with relationships or never experienced them, then there is nothing significant to miss about it. Only horniness and sex and maybe status is that motivation. Also a lot of what you mention comes from sexual and social validation, which is what I said men are looking …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:55 PM
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Can you explain what women get from the state that men dont? Tricky question... what the state provides benefits women way more than it benefits men, and also costs men more than it costs women on taxes. Basic exchange in a couple is sex for resources. The state pools resources and distribute them, mainly from men, but it does not pools sex for those men. Therefore, those men are paying for a system that does not give them back what they want or need.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:52 PM
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Sadly, that is the only way they get what they want, which is sex and social validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:49 PM
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Most of the stuff my boyfriend and I do together has nothing to do with validation or sex. In fact, I'd say it's like 10% of the pie chart at most. Yes, but without the sex, nothing of that means nothing. He probably would not stay around either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:48 PM
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My point is that even if women never marry, they still get all benefit from men... the surplus, the 70% of tax paid by men, protection, infrastructure, etc. In a sense, women are even more dependent on men than ever, but as a collective. Meanwhile men don't get the sex women provide, and the state does not provide it, so there is an imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:48 PM
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Thing is, when women depended financially from men, men had huge leverage and would abuse that leverage. Agreed, but to be fair they still depend on men for basic infrastructure and any life close to civilized. The difference is that now the state is a proxy between men and women. That is the incel argument why the state shall distribute girlfriends... because it also distributes male assets and production surplus.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:45 PM
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You guys would rather be a lonely stoic or a lonely strong independent woman before you admit that having a partner in your life is an amazing blessing that should be cultivated instead of running from At some point most people want that in life, but the effort can be too much or the requirements too high, so it is easy and sometimes even wise to not try after you failed so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:44 PM
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Those things have their own value, but they can also be a liability. Ask any guy and they tell you how their female friends use them as placeholder husbands to help them move, or buy her stuff, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:42 PM
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Only happens because needed or consequence of sex, or to keep the woman happy around.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 05:41 PM
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I haven't ever looked at data or the numbers, but my guess would be Asians, Hispanics, South Asians, Africans and other minorities have a much healthier view of relationships because they American media hasn't found a way to spread their misery too them. Relationships in poor countries are stronger because you need each other, even if they don't want each other. Precisely making relationships a want and a luxury is what makes them rarer and a liability in rich western countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:11 PM
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You don't need women for validation and if we have to be honest, you can also jerk off and be fine with it. The biggest trap both men and women fall into (although it affects men more), is the adopting the mistaken belief that they cannot be happy and fulfilled without a partner. I get your point, I think the indoctrination runs deep, though. The same with finding a partner: you can want a partner not because without them you are worthless, but because their presence enhances your life. Big diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:09 PM
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Well, in a sense they are right. As individuals we do not need each other, but as collectives we still need each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:04 PM
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So I think it's significantly more than sex and ego men get from women Maybe, but without sex and status, such investment makes little sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 04:00 PM
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Psychologically many of us want a partner, but beside the romantic idea, we can now survive on our own as individuals and even without a tribe or community. Not saying it is ideal, but it is not a fundamental need anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 03:59 PM
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So men championing or shaming promiscuous women really has no effect on the sexual choices of promiscuous women. Not to mention that it is almost always women doing the slut shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 03:38 PM
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Men complain they often don't have trustworthy marriageable fertile young options. They all can save some money and go to Las Vegas and buy a prostitute if all they wanted was sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 03:37 PM
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Because for women the talent is not having sex. For men the talent is having sex, as it is hard to get for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 03:36 PM
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Sure, just pointing out why porn and videogames are less humiliating than eating the ass of society that hated you. A plus if you somehow make society and infrastructure worse by inaction as revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 03:31 PM
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Has nothing to do with your height or neurodivergence and everything to do with your bitter attitude. As a woman I would not date you because you complain too much and seem weak. Most men are not open about their complains, not even close. Even if they were, as you said, that would put women away and also women have zero sympathy for men. Personally, I'm not into women, stinky vaginas... ewww. People have to earn the attention of the opposite sex by acting in ways that attract them, not repel th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 03:28 PM
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Sure, but they will hate those simp men, who will probably be porn sick and rather molest their step-daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:36 PM
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Sure, as a man I'm so eager to join a community that treated me like shit since birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:23 PM
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But when you share a consistent environment with the same women, in a community, they seem more interested. Communities like that develop mechanisms to prevent that. For example, gyms can get you expelled, and work environments ban romantic relationship and are very serious about any kind of seduction, even if harmless. Besides, just as most young struggling single men, I hate to socialize because how shitty society treats men like me. It is like forgiving it for something unforgivable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:20 PM
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Believe me, you can lose way more by dating the wrong woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:19 PM
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Elderly single men who are interested in dating their peers do very well. At that point women are a liability, though. No fertility, she probably has already a family of her dead husband to keep around, she is not attractive, etc. Unironically that is the best age for men to choose porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:15 PM
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Waiting for “Mr Right” to leave “Mrs Wrong” lol. but the planets or some crystals told her she is right and the guy is his twin flame or shit
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:14 PM
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Maybe games are way more interesting than putting HOURS looking for fat women with tattoos with a 3% success rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:12 PM
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As a revenge fantasy, at least we know most of those women will end up with no loving husband, ever. It is mathematically impossible. They will have to end fucking a loser to raise their bastards, but fortunately more men are refusing to do that trashy job.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:11 PM
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If the majority of men would rather have sex with anything over masturbation then incels and red pillers would just fuck each other and shut up but they don't. Because still ugly and disgusting and whoring women are attracted to the same guys 2 or 3 points higher than her, and they use them once in a while. Meanwhile, incels would be OK with just a girl in his level.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:08 PM
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Or else they deserve being cheated on? Date cheaters, date players, be cheated, be played. * pikachu face *
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:07 PM
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it's not very attractive to whine that things are outside of your control and you're just unlucky. Don't worry, 90% of men who do it (like me) don't do it in public and we pretend to care and like women when we prepare their food.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:05 PM
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Thank you. I think eventually I will probably do that, but first I want to be the happiest I can on my own so I don't look desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 02:00 PM
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9 times out of 10, if a man cannot find love/sex/romantic connections, it is HIS fault because something is wrong with him If there is something wrong with him, it is likely not his fault. For example, being short, ugly or being autistic is a killed for men dating. It is not their fault they are like that. You are being very judgmental. Men who understand and value women have no problems with intimate relationships. There are many kinds of relationships. The effeminate man, for example, may be g…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 01:58 PM
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But also, it’s pretty sad that if there’s any women within 20 yards of a man, his ability to talk with other men is completely destroyed. This happens because the men will compete with you for the women, distracted by them, that kills any male cooperation. Also apply your logic to women spaces... why do women need special spaces and bathrooms? It’s funny how some men online are complaining that they can’t meet women anywhere, while other men are complaining that women are around everywhere and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/23 01:53 PM
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It is hard to feel empathic with women, who live in tutorial mode for dating and social relationships, and still find ways to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 07:40 PM
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It’s also possible that friendships haven’t worked for men thus far due to a lack of vulnerability as a result of the constraints of masculinity so maybe now they would have a better chance since culture has changed. I also thought about that, and I considered it a valid explanation for a while as masculinity can be cold, but If men today are more effeminate than ever, then why is mental health for men worse? Men with lower testosterone also suffer more depression and mood swings, which does not…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 06:36 PM
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I am a social failure because: I basically have no friends. I have never been in a loving relationship. No one considers me important enough to invite me out, to anything. I mean, I rarely see people who win at everything. Some people are social successes but fail at managing money and resources. Others do well in everything but barely can keep a marriage for over a year. My positive side of this is that it also implies fewer social obligations, I feel less morally compelled to contribute or pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 06:13 PM
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It’s because women as a collective are not participating in creepy behaviour and are tolerable to be around. It is a little of chicken/egg problem. Sure, women often are less of a threat, but also the reason is that they are often weaker than men and they usually don't need to do crime to survive (they can just parasite a man). If men would hold other men accountable for the way men are portrayed, maybe you can see a shift. By that logic, men would be doing better than ever since women are oppre…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 06:10 PM
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Women are not suicide prevention for men so it doesn’t seem complete to say that these men want to die because they are single. Why do women always makes this about themselves? I can play that game to, let's make all women's well being, living in the best times for women to exist, about men: Men are not men's providers in theory, and yet collectively they pay most taxes, invent the most things, take the most risks investing in development, do the shittiest jobs, the riskier jobs, etc. for just b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 06:04 PM
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Maybe you don't have arguments so you attack the messenger. But sure, looks, height, etc. is what women mean with "personality".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:50 PM
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You can’t blame every single failing of men on women and vice versa. I'm not blaming women, but rather feminism and a few powerful men. The state and powerful men have the interest for other men to not organize or fight for their own interests. That is how Unions are dying, for example. But it is not a conspiracy, is patriarchy, but not as defined by Feminism... it is the patriarchy of a very powerful old men, who use women as sexual devices, and peons to keep men and women fighting. This articl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 05:49 PM
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Only chads have the luxury to be bluepilled and get women with that. Any strategy, no matter how stupid or useless it is, works for them. They cannot even phantom to admit that all they have is just genetic luck, nothing to do with their talents or personality or shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:31 PM
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I'm a social failure that never truly experienced life, I'm 31. I don't have close friends. I have never been invited as an individual to birthday parties or weddings or other parties as my own individual (rather they invite my mom and I may go too). My weekends are boring. No one has even feel in love with me. It also limits my capacity to enjoy life on my own because often vacations or going to hotels is boring if there is no one for you. On the flip side, there are some positives: I don't fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:27 PM
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This means the only true way I see it is to do all possible to push through discomfort and socialize, and look for that success. I see it just as getting old. You cannot avoid getting old... your skin gets worse, your organs start to fail, etc. and eventually you accept it as life. Maybe if you can accept getting old, you can also accept you will never be social or be loved. If you can accept even normal stuff sucks, I'm sure we can accept also being a social failure and be done with it. Trying …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:22 PM
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Women love playing games with this shit. They test if you are attracted to them by pulling away, but also get mad if you actually pull away. Cannot wait for arranged marriages and bride markets to come back.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:15 PM
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Remember it is individuals versus titanic collective unconscious forces we cannot even phantom to control. No matter how mentally healthy you are, those forces are there and may eventually catch you. Government tried to control such forces with propaganda and manipulation for years, just for it to backfire or turn against them after a few decades. The collective unconscious has its own intelligence, and a lot of "positive" movements in the 70s and 80s, such as feminism, democracy, freedom, etc. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:14 PM
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My issue is that ultimately it still is giving up. It is cope. It is, but honestly there is no other way for most men in such situations. Making friends outside of school and after certain age is almost impossible. If you are not very attractive, you are not considered by most women. If you work full time, you don't have much time or energy to socialize anymore. Others cope with drugs or alcohol, I cope by dealing internally with the issues. I would argue my way to cope is way healthier, even if…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:07 PM
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It depends on case to case. Some guys are social, others are not, some have friends but don't maintain them, others have no friends but want them, some have partners but not many friends, others have friends but never seen as partners, etc. The levels of complexity by case to case is too much. My point is that men don't seem to be significantly more depressed or fucked up for having fewer friends than women or even being totally alone socially, but it does affect men if they are single. In fact,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 04:02 PM
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Or are we loading people on antidepressants? Well, I would say a good part of population already made that step.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 02:12 PM
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Very few people can empathize with autistic or asper men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:13 PM
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What is said here and other subs has little to no effect on the greater population and society as a whole. You could say whatever you want here, it's not going to change the marriage rate in America. I would argue it does matter. Society today is starting to acknowledge issues that the internet already discussed like 5 years ago. Even terms such as "chad" or "hypergamy" are now mainstream. So yes, I prefer to be at the edge of the future discussion and views of gender, positive or negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:12 PM
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Women hardest hit. I hate that phrase so much. It implies "male suffering and issues matter... because somehow it affects women"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:09 PM
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Men have 0 sympathy for other men. Men dont care about other men unless they know them personally or are going through the same issues. Women generally support other women. Hard to have sympathy for other men, and relate to them and make male friends, if almost all male spaces have been invaded by women at worse and invalidated or shamed as "secretly gay" by women. Law is also so hypocritical on this... theoretically both genders are equal in law, BUT only female only gyms are allowed and not ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:08 PM
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They have enough shame to not reveal themselves in public, but open about their shit online.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:04 PM
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You mean the conspiracy theory of patriarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:04 PM
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>$200k are much less likely to divorce ; wealthy people with college degrees are much more likely to get married. At that point marriage is mostly customary and divorce is inconsequential because legal structures to keep assets apart. Also, we have to compare to marriage rates. If only 10% of them marry, for example, obviously divorce will be lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:02 PM
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She probably believes being the masturbatory device of top men is love.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 01:01 PM
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Love most likely increases. LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:59 PM
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Agreed, but most of other places, meeting women is seen as harassment (unless you are very attractive). Women basically created a big shit test called society. That is also why I don't help women if they need help being harassed. They voted, supported and encouraged this shit, I will not fix it for them. Harassment they may get is not even 1/3 of the suffering most men have accrued in this shit reality they created when given even a little power.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:57 PM
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Relying on only one person does not mean that person controls you or your social life. In fact, you could argue that you have the most social control if it is one person that YOU have chosen. Unless the man has problems attracting other women if all fails, relying on one person does not have to be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:55 PM
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Not being able to relate to women because you assume they all have it easier and you’re mad about it is weird to me. But objectively speaking women do have it easier. They are usually not seen as creeps, people relate and prefer to talk to them (both men and women), they are invited for anything while single men are not, etc. But of course, women have other struggles such as hormonal and psychological, that we shall not ignore either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:53 PM
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Yes, very well put and summarized.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 12:51 PM
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No, I agree is sad, but that seems the model we are collectively moving to, both men and women. I don't see a modern couple really being able to live until death and stay 100% loving and full of trust and commitment. It feels... odd, in a world we break up and divorce 20 years later for just "losing love". I wonder if maybe the idea of forever love we have is outdated? Maybe we shall reject the idea of love for life? It made sense like 200 years ago when husband died in war in his 40s or in a co…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 09:31 PM
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I guess that is why psychologists are trying to use another term to describe the most objective aspect of it. Moving From Loneliness to Aloneness | Psychology Today
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:49 PM
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If you never had a group of tight friends, then you don't know what you are losing of, so you don't miss anything. They don't feel depraved of anything unless they have also depression, or they lost their social skills at some point. It is a blind spot for them. I suspect the reason for this is that a lot of guys, way more than we expect, are autistic. I suspect that like at least there are 5x way more autistic men than those diagnosed. Maybe autism is more complex than a trait, maybe social nor…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:38 PM
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I saw a thread in r/AskMen, but I'd argue is most likely for men to not love women because men usually don't fall in love with most women and women after a point (too fat, old, etc.) don't lose that enchanting energy on men. Only the sexual remains at that point, and maybe fertility. Romantic energy is very limited, and it is argued that on average people fall in love like twice or three times in their lifetime. It is unlikely you will fall in love with someone who loves you back and is availabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 08:05 PM
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There is also a catch-22: If you try to socialize you are signaling you need others, which makes you needy, which makes people walk away and feel sad for you. If you don't socialize people assume you don't want to socialize, and they leave you alone forever. So, it is a very sad situation, in which you have to socially start being successful very early to actually enjoy and thrive in that environment. Basically a kind of organic club with full exclusion and banning. In the past this situation co…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:59 PM
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The truth is it's possible to have a fulfilling dating life as an average looking guy, and the vast majority of men do. Nah, they just take the scraps they can get. Check how many men online openly admit they don't love their wives but do like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:28 PM
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Yeah I think guys who aren’t outgoing have a hard time finding a role in society. Many women don't welcome approaches in social life, or meeting strangers. I would argue it is worse now because they can just open an app or instagram and get requests safely without dealing with guys in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:25 PM
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Have you read at all about the disappearance of “third spaces?” I've read about it, but it does not seem convincing. Suburbs are not new; they have been widespread since the 60s and more people are moving to cities than suburbs than ever, even in USA. Europe is also suffering social decay even having walkable cities and so on. People in the 80s were generally very social, even to good part of the 90s. I'm not saying lack of third spaces is not a problem, but it also seems like a symptom. Why did…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 07:23 PM
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Very good observation. Yes, it is probably the case. The same women that would never date an asocial men probably emasculated their husband in this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:33 PM
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And women often love to be cared by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:31 PM
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Just as women want to be coached, being opened door for, being helped, etc. men also love doing it. I think the dynamic is natural. Sure, women may be more immature on some things you mention, but also they are more nurturing, they know more about what looks better, how to organize the house and other dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:31 PM
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Mental health, less social interaction, lower birth rates, etc. are just a symptom of something deeper. What is the root cause? No idea, but no man says "Hey, I just want to be lonely and sad, and that way cause all issues in the West today". When people talk about "political extremism" when 50 years ago it was seen as normal by people for the state to shut down a minority business and take them to a concentration camp, and no one was there to fight back or defend them, is kind of sad and amusin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:27 PM
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But these changes have not affected Americans equally. Men appear to have suffered a far steeper decline than women. Thirty years ago, a majority of men (55 percent) reported having at least six close friends. Today, that number has been cut in half. Slightly more than one in four (27 percent) men have six or more close friends today. Fifteen percent of men have no close friendships at all, a fivefold increase since 1990. Men's friendships is usually around projects and common goals. There are n…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:19 PM
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The bitch of loneliness is like that... so absurd and unnecessary. That feeling affected my life quality so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:17 PM
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You can feel lonely surrounded by family and friends and feel lonely completely isolated. None makes any difference for survival today. In both cases the feeling is stupid residual fear of dying if left behind be the tribe, a feeling to manipulate us into joining it again. Fortunately, we don't need others directly anymore to survive. All is institutionalized and depersonalized. Now the goal is to get rid of the menace of loneliness for good, just as we invented soap to get rid of bacteria we ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:14 PM
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If the woman you want to date likes people and likes having friends, why would she want to seriously date or form an emotional connection with someone who hates people and doesn’t like having friends? You are assuming someone who does not want more friends is someone who hates people. That is not necessarily the case. Have I to remember you the many narcissistic and psychopathic people with a rich social life? You have nothing in common with a woman who is friendly, nurturing, feminine, sweet an…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 06:12 PM
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if men had more male only spaces .... women would suddenly become interested and want to join as well. I hope you find the irony of this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 05:57 PM
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Posted as a CMV disagreement because I disagree that it's the only reason men feel lonely. OP is arguing that men are not suffering loneliness (at least no more than women), they are suffering sexlessness and lack of romantic love.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 05:56 PM
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You are asking men to change what they fundamentally want, which is sex and love, not groups of friends. Men are not defective women: They are also not necessarily suffering or doing worse for having fewer friends, and in fact they can make quite an interesting and rich life a living without relying on many friends or groups of friends. However, I do agree having friends help them get relationships, but that does not change the fact they rather have relationships than more friends anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 05:55 PM
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I'm sure it does, but it is also unwise to put all your eggs in that basket. I don't think social relationships can be treated as investments effectively in the sense "putting it all on one egg". In fact, some of the best friendships and relationships are indeed made by sacrificing time with others and investing it in one person, and a satisfying person can be more valuable than many friends. Sure, the risk is losing that special person, but at the end you can eventually find another. But if you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 05:52 PM
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My point is that a relationship is not a substitute for friends or friend groups because one person cannot be everything for you Neither are friendships and social life a substitute for relationships, that is my point. But for loneliness, it is perfectly fine and valid to choose one person or a few friends rather than many, and avoid making more friends. I also helps to focus on quality of friends rather than quantity. No one wants to be your only emotional support which is why not having friend…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 05:48 PM
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Women have social power in part because they are more social and have friends who can invite them in the first place. Men seem to be more antisocial and therefore have no one who can invite them to events. It is a kind of chicken-first/egg-first problem. Women can be disgusting narcissistic and still be socially successful because how society ponders women. Women don't really need any social talent but it helps them to develop it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 05:41 PM
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Having dating “power” doesn’t mean a woman has to use it just as anyone can kill you but they don’t. There are many types of power. Women have more social power, they receive more sympathy, they are invited more, etc. If women fail in dating, or she dates an asshole, even having so many other dating options, it is safe to say it is her fault..., assuming she is average or better looking. If women don’t want to date they aren’t hurting men, they’ve just made a decision based on what they need and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:08 PM
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I thought getting friends to find love was seen as manipulative by women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:01 PM
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Friendship is not an investment for potential sex so don’t treat it like it is. Agreed, which is why most men find making more friends usually pointless, and they find being in the friendzone as terrible. Friendship is not what they are looking for. They may have already one or two friends already and not need any more. Friendships are necessary for social interaction and putting your entire social life in the hands of one person just doesn’t make sense. I guess it is just another strategy. It h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 04:00 PM
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However, for the men who have determined they do not have a desire towards friends and community, but do have a desire towards sex and love, I would tell them that very often, it is going to be realistically impossible to obtain sex and/or love without first having friends and community (for many many reasons). Maybe, but not desiring to extend social life does not mean you don't have any social life. I may not need any friends or seek to extend my social relationships, but still have some socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:53 PM
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If we had more male only spaces men wouldn't necessarily need romantic partners. IDK, I don't think friendship or social relationships can replace romantic and sexual desires in men. But what you say makes perfect sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 03:50 PM
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Usually, psychological needs are like that. A child can in theory survive with no love and human contact, but his life will be very limited and frustrated. Same with men without sex, as testosterone gives men a higher drive than women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:48 PM
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So a need is something that makes you frustrated when you don't get it? That describes just about every want there is. You can generalize that to what people call "social needs", which both men and women have. So yes, I think the word "need" is appropriate here if psychologies use it for other drives. Whatever porn helps or not long run is irrelevant, but it makes men feel less such need so it "helps" at least short term. People also smoke and drink alcohol to feel better, but that does not make…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:29 PM
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At the end of the day, however, people still do just blame men and masculinity for their problems anyway, and carefully avoid any discussion about male loneliness that might address male sexual disenfranchisement e.g. "Lonely men should just make more (platonic) friends if they're lonely!" Very true, and a great comment that explains the issues today.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:28 PM
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In that case the lack of friends does hurt the chances of most men, as many men don't have social groups anymore. Another issue is that I can invite like 5 guys for the night, and they say they will come, and only one comes and probably late. Other guys I know have the same issue, so clearly it is a social problem... like the spoken word is not worth a damn anymore, everyone just ghosts and gaslights as nothing happened, and you are the bad guy if you complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:24 PM
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Another overlooked issue is that it is expensive to socialize today. You have to spend good money in bars and "social" spaces. Very few people are hanging in parks or places like that anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:20 PM
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Finding laughter and brotherhood in a sense was fulfilling, eventful and something I wouldn’t throw away and always remember. But it isn’t a girlfriend This is the key of the issue. I observe a lot of women assume that friendships or social relationships or a tribe can replace that, but that is not the case for men. I'm also in the process of using methods as meditation and Shadow Work to avoid feeling bad about having no love success and no friends. So far I think it has been successful, I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:14 PM
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It may be based on the same, such as social anxiety, but they are different issues. Many married woman complain their husband has no friends, for example. Many men have plenty of friends, usually female friends, but have zero success with love and dating. However, I do agree that if you fix loneliness (either subjectively feeling better somehow, or objectively finding friends), you probably have a greater shot at love.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:06 PM
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I assume women feel lonelier than men because women have higher standards of connection in their life. Loneliness is a feeling. If women feel lonelier than men, they are indeed lonelier than men. Whatever they have social relationships, friends, etc. is irrelevant for the definition of loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:55 PM
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You are assuming many things. Plenty of guys are social and have female friends and still struggle with lack of romantic love, sometimes precisely because they are seen as friends first. Half of young men are struggling with finding sex and love. Clearly it all cannot be explained with usual social anxiety and autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:51 PM
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Yeah, that is the best shot for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:49 PM
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If they are only going out to meet new people they would date, they are shutting of the opportunities to make new friends. I get you point, but men are not looking for new friends, they are looking for love. For men, often more friends are a liability, especially if friend with a woman... they still have to pay stuff, help pack her apartment if she moves, put a smile to her jealous boyfriend, etc. Meanwhile, Women just have to exist and enjoy it. Even worse, women usually don't date friends, to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:46 PM
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It is women's fault that most men are struggles, as women have all dating power.But again, I'm not implying men are entitled to that. Just like that woman that was raped in a train and no man helped her. It is not the woman's fault, but she is not entitled to male protection either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:39 PM
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Men aren't entitled to sex because they want it. I never claimed they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:16 PM
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Not literally a need that you die if you don't get, but you get very frustrated if you don't get sex. It is not our fault we were born male and with testosterone. The hate on porn, or porn users, women have roots on the deep lack of empathy for the male reality. That guy cannot speak for everyone, but I'm sure most guys would agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:14 PM
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I find this goes beyond just seeking sex. It seems like, outside of dating apps, men aren't out seeking anything at all. Men also complain there are no single women in any place they go, so they stop going to those places unless they go with friends or invited. Those "social" places are groups of friends and couples, not single lonely people. Single women who go to those places in groups are also protected by the group, so no chance of them to make new friends or get relationships. Covid made th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:12 PM
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Most men are lonely because they are so obsessed with casual sex instead of making genuine connections. They think that just because they cant get casual sex that they are lonely. Nonsense. Most men would prefer a relationship to any kind of casual sex. Men are not suffering from loneliness in a kind of crisis, men actually know how to enjoy being lonely and many solo projects are actually a benefit for themselves and humanity. Men do require, however, sex and at least some emotional connection,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 01:02 PM
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Not the same. It weakens muscle and other organs that rely on testosterone. I'm aware that it is unlikely a drug can block sexual desire while keeping other benefits of testosterone, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 12:53 PM
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Childfree people have no desire to have a child. Anyone else is childless. Well, some people start wanting children and then become childfree, but also the opposite. Sure, maybe some figured out what they wanted long ago, but others changed ideas by cultural influence or family. I don't think you or anyone has any authority on what a "childfree" person is, and most people change ideas about many things, even politics and social views.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:40 PM
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You are right, this view is very simplistic, and honestly I don't know if the idea of pills as dating philosophies are that helpful anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:15 PM
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The problem is that being average and mediocre is often not what women are looking for in a partner. I get it. Men cheat the system be being great or experts on a very specific thing, a hobby or skill, but if you compare them beyond all skills and issues they are just as average as most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:13 PM
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Yeah, I think it all depends on the personal priorities and goals, of course. I would say that if you belong to a more conservative community, it is likely you adopt their values and want children at some point, as usually traditional organizations encourage or welcome family more. Women today, however, have an opposite issue. The educational and professional environment is seen as too important for any focus on family or children yet, so they wait longer and longer, and sometimes it is too late…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:05 PM
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Yes, I would also describe the pills as tiers. Blackpill is the first tier. If you have at least some looks and not autistic, not depressed, you can move to redpill. Redpill is second tier. You fix looks, make yourself desirable, express the best of yourself, dress well, etc. Bluepill is the third tier. You focus more on compatibility, looks matter less on favor of good values and common goals and tastes. Men focus on the second tier, because arguably it is the hardest for most men with limited …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 06:02 PM
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Yeah, it probably sucks to be part of a community that puts family in such high regard, without having yourself a family. It sucks because, on one side it is OK to favor and encourage family, but also it may make single people without families feel terrible. I don't think there is a quick way to make everyone happy in this case.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:55 PM
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People who hate children probably have deeper issues. Sure, it is OK to not want children, but often they call them "parasites" or other very dehumanizing terms that, if they were used against a specific race or gender, would be problematic... but apparently it is OK to hate children.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:44 PM
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Many of the women from online dating I pursued a decade ago are still single. How pathetic to be in your 30s and have no one. Pathetic, but not sad as the case of men that actually try and get nothing. Those women had plenty of options to take, they didn't take any.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:42 PM
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Any guy that hasn't been gimped by either the patriarchy or their mom to be unable to functionally live without a woman I find this judgement very hypocritical, considering how many "working independent women" rely on the husband's or ex husband's money to pay for all the shit they want to buy and the children.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:41 PM
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This is especially true in church circles. I would say Church usually does not discriminate them, but seeing all people with big families and children around, can be depressing... as showing you that you are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:39 PM
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I'm truly sorry for infertile women, but I want to have children, so it would be an issue of incompatibility if she cannot have them or would hate them. I'm sure there are plenty of men, maybe like half men, that don't care, so I don't think those women will struggle finding a man they like. HOWEVER, I notice a lot of women that start being childfree and then want to have children, but it is too late. I know at least two of them in real life. This can be an issue because if the guy did not want …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:36 PM
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I don't mean it as a personal attack on older women or men Agreed. I also don't see attractive man with a nice woman as an attack of me, they just are lucky and put a lot on looks too. I don't get why some people, usually older women, see it as an attack on them or as abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 05:34 PM
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The human race literally cant survive without men needing women. Cannot wait for drugs to neutralize that for good, not being slaves of desires for women would be great.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 04:07 PM
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Men won't be able to run around and impregnate 10 women and have the taxpayer pick up the bill for all of them. That is not happening as much as people assume. Chad is not stupid enough to do that. Chad is increasing hopes of women by fucking them, damaging them forever by keeping their expectations very high, but no children or family for them. The only advantage of Chad was the genetic superiority, but now even that is limited by birth control, so you only have the bad of hypergamy and polygyn…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:22 PM
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Yes, but I think at this point is when biology kicks in. The most fertile and attractive years for women are also the years she studies and gets her first job. If I was a younger woman, I would consider getting married to an old established man but not stop studying for that. I'm sure technology, remote studying, etc. can help now with that more than ever, but it is harder for women in this aspect. In this sense, men have it easier, as they can wait longer and establish and also have a family la…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:13 PM
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Abortion is physically and emotionally traumatizing. Agreed, but most people, even religious people and pro-lifers, do believe that brining a sick kid to the world is immoral and cruel, so many would take that option. It is also an option even in most places where abortion is illegal otherwise. Sure, it is traumatic, but so is normal pregnancy, and raising a kid, and so many things in life. However, I do agree technology for women is not cheap to get pregnant and it is very sad. However, other t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:08 PM
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Why is this called mediocrity? Not everyone needs to be famous or wealthy or whatever. An average life can be pretty stable and enough for many, if not most people. By definition, not everyone can be the main character. But yes, women are more narcissistic, so we have the Karens that do believe they are the main character and makes everyone else miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:02 PM
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Is it that bad to not be the main character?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:01 PM
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Most people, men and especially women, would not interfere in a violent attack for a stranger. I don't get why you find that strange or fucked up, if it is the most common response... people just call the police. Men also have terrible stories of protecting random women being beaten in public... just to be beaten by the guy and left to die by the woman, whose boyfriend is the violent guy who beaten you. Imagine losing the liver, stabbed to protect such kind of bitch. Or remember the guy that tri…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:00 PM
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Sure, you pity for younger women getting the most established, well-mannered and richer older guys that are your age. Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:55 PM
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Post-wall women cannot become young again It is over for them, but I don't have more sympathy for them than the sympathy they have for half men unable to find love and sex.... so none. At least those women got dick, many men don't even get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:53 PM
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Men usually work on the context of results. If an old man can get younger women easily, good for him, he is doing something right. Other men may feel jealous, but what matters is the results: He won. On women, it is different, as they have other layers of context, assumptions, envy, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:53 PM
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It is probably envy. They had their chance and they did not lock a good wealthy man, now they are old and they hate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:51 PM
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A lot of older men just focused on job and establishing themselves, and not on dating as much before that. Unless he has a history of divorces and broken relationships, in which case your assumptions makes more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:48 PM
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Older men are more likely to have lower sperm quality, causing a higher chance of infertility and birth defects. Sure, but it is not very significant. We also have methods to detect birth defects in the womb, so it is not as much a problem. That is how Iceland got rid of Down Syndrome. But the benefit is also for women, who can have children older thanks also to tech. In the same token, we can also say that best biological age for women to have children is about 20, but that does not make it is …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:46 PM
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I think she wants to take things seriously, maybe to make a family. Older men often are better established. Sure, there are established younger men, but they are few and they are still exploring options.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:44 PM
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This so much. The "empathic" gender is so judgmental.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:41 PM
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Not royalty in quantity, but in the sense they are entitled to be maintained by other people's money. But I'm not judging, just pointing out that they don't have to wait for retirement for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:10 PM
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Better than being with a bad man. I'm not debating it, but so far single moms I know personally keep fucking the worst kind of men aside, having kids of different guys. Imagine risking your kids like that just for dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:08 PM
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Apparently, in Greece most people don't care to pay taxes, and same happens in many other countries. They cannot arrest them all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:07 PM
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thanks to automation and technology, GDP per capita will increase. I suspect it will happen as in San Francisco... greatest GDP and also people shitting on the streets, unable to get an apartment, etc. High GDP, but also high inequality. Cities often take the trend that soon or later the rest will follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:06 PM
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Low trust society. I expect men contributing less and less, and also not helping others, especially women. This is an example of what is coming. In retrospective, men will treat women just as women treat men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:03 PM
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I'm thinking, their money will be worthless too... because too many old people with money, and few workers, means more money around for the limited labor, which means INFLATION.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 01:00 PM
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They already live like royalty and the state gives them everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 12:57 PM
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Men who weren’t chosen would be really out of luck then I guess 🤷‍♀️. Yeah, that is a good observation. But also consider being a solo single mom is economically stressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 12:56 PM
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then younger childless people will also stop contributing to pensions . I guess they can contribute to a IRA or 401k, and that may help, but social security would be problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 09:31 PM
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I guess only way is younger people and people with families to somehow form autonomous communities. It will be hard to shut down those communities if that would kill the only workers you would rely on and probably people of your own family, and younger people will have an incentive to not be taxed to death to form such communities. I honestly don't see a scenario in which everyone is happy. Maybe automation will somewhat help? No idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 09:30 PM
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My only hope is that, if this happens and they follow it, at least most people simply don't care. We are tired of this shit. Apparently aliens and Ukraine are not keeping people distressed enough, as they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 09:04 PM
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Hate is part of our nature since ever, and a very reasonable response in this scenario. It is not just getting laid, but actually getting disenfranchised. In a sense, sex was the only thing left to motivate men, but historically men often had land, some power and greater responsibilities. Not anymore, hate is literally their only power now and it is normal for them to use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:10 PM
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I get your point, and I have a hypothesis. People rarely will admit they need other people for the sake of it, and if they admit they need others they feel inferior or begging to the person they are telling. Telling someone you feel lonely, implies you are telling that person I need you, or I hope you were my friend, and that may feel as an oppression to the other person. We all know this so we avoid such admission and interactions as plagues. People literally prefer to die than letting pride go…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 07:00 PM
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Culture, in this context, is the people who somehow made relationships work in this reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:35 PM
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In my opinion men need to get hobbies and friend groups and stop making chasing women their entire personality. Most of men complaining are not looking anynmore, they gave up. They are poisoning the culture and rightfully so, this culture deserved to be poisoned for how it treats those men. I understand resentment and honestly it is justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:22 PM
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I think internet is the shadow of real life. Men in real life often don't complain about women openly because they know it hurts their chances. Many times have I heard the married guy at work complaining about his "bitch" wife, but almost never told to her or his close family. Women bitch more about men openly in real life, while in internet they are more likely to be sincere about how hot a guy is, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:21 PM
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I'm actually asking what is OP's bitching about, now that women are sexually free and can choose what they want and don't need commitment to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:09 PM
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Women are hypergamous, men were polygamous, and monogamy was developed, independently by different cultures, as a middle point for most men and women. That made dating fairer, even at the cost of sexual freedom of women and at the cost of diversity of choice for men. So no, it was not easy or as fair, but it kept most people in line and more or less comfortable. Now you only have hypergamy, so obviously all women fuck the same few men, which obviously are free to not commit to an aging woman as …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:08 PM
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Sure, but abandonment often implied letting their kids starve and the woman unable to live on her own. So it was more cruel in the past, today it is just breaking up. There was also harsher punishments for men in the past that, for example, had sex before marriage with a lady, or they were forced to marry so she was not left as a whore... cruel laws to avoid a more cruel reality. It is not cruel anymore. You are not entitled to commitment, and as I explained, commitment is not that important any…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 06:01 PM
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50 years ago it was almost essential to get a partner. Government help was limited, society helped you but expected you to conform to their norms (get married), etc. Today, almost all is made by anonymous corporations, organizations, groups, the state, etc. that don't necessarily ask you for anything else than taxes and money, or labor. Sadly, our psychology has not been updated to that, so plenty of lonewolves will still suffer even being fully able to survive and live on their own. No wonder G…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:57 PM
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So, sorry, there is no solution. Enjoy the time you are together and hope love does not goes away. BTW, why is commitment and fidelity so important for women still? It is pointless now. You will not die or starve if your husband leaves anymore. Commitment is unnecessary. At best the state will force the guy to pay you for existing, at worse the state will pay for your bastards. Women have chosen this system of hypergamy as soon as sex was liberated, so obviously actually desirable men will be ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 05:49 PM
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I'm just trolling. I don't have children either. Have a nice day.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:18 PM
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Very wrong, as that is the purpose of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:13 PM
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That’s the argument you could make if you didn’t understand how patterns of abuse form. Treating women as children that need to be protected is also not very good for them. No one is asking incels and other loser men to be treated with care and support, and yet they are often autistic or have mental health issues. In fact women tell them to "grow balls" or "get lost". I just expect government to treat men and women with the same empathy or none at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:13 PM
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Just don't give them false hope, that is all. But telling them to give up is also disempowering, as it depends on a lot of variables that depends in case to case. Eventually, those men will ask you stuff, and you can tell them about female perspective and let them figure out how to deal with it in their own way. It will be easier for you, for them and for everyone else if we you don't jump to conclusions or false hope or "you will find someone" false predictions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:11 PM
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Pointless to have a relationship without children. It is like just using each other for masturbation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:06 PM
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People are sheep.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:02 PM
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I dunno, the whole "women only date assholes, nice guys are hated!" sounds like a huge lie men tell themselves to protect their ego. The fact women are hurt by their own partner, at all, repeatly the same guy, just proves that at least some women don't care shit about dating violent or evil men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:01 PM
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I would say personality is ALSO important, as a FUCK YOU requirement by women. Most autist men never get married, no matter how handsome they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 03:00 PM
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Honestly? Don't say anything if you can't stop lying or talking shit you don't know. Stop lying to your sons and male family members. No, they will probably not get love, they will probably not even be happy or have a lifetime marriage, even less in these times.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:58 PM
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It does not matter if they want you for money. It makes no different for men. You get what you want.. sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:55 PM
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Well I guess men are not strong as we thought huh. Men are stronger in some ways and weaker in others, just as women are. Usually they complement in that, but it is not always the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:41 PM
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They can overcome such challenges and emerge stronger, finding fulfillment and happiness without necessarily relying on romantic relationships with women. Agreed, but I'm arguing some men can do that (way better than women) and some others can't (way worse than women) because the extremist diverse nature of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:29 PM
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Men can have it without needing love.It is women who need that. Yes, but most men cannot just pull random women and get sex. So they have to learn to love somehow her to make her feel loved and get frequent sex. Most men learn to love, while most women love spontaneously. Man can start family at any age,you can easily find at 40+. Yes, but honestly there is no point at that age. I will fill so tired. I could also feel so resentful to the person I make a family with for not loving me earlier, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:24 PM
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Life feels so overrated. So much effort. We give so much more importance to just... die. All happy moments are just loans to be paid by boring days, effort and suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:23 PM
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Usually things are easier with 2 people. Yeah, I think it is easier especially to go out (no need to call friends), pay rent or house (two incomes), raise kids, etc. That is a good point. But also the partner may get sick or require care, or something like that, and also that adds complexity and strain to you. Sure, you can break up, but you look as an asshole that only stick for the good. Having a relationship can be good, but probably it is not for everyone.... even for some people that feel t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:18 PM
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How is one supposed to predict the future of their partner? lol. This victim blaming needs to stop without further evidence. I don't think you read my comment well. If a woman want to stay away and calls the police, the police shall protect her. But if she keeps going back to the same guy, it is obvious that she is disregarding her own safety and risking it just for being sexually attracted to the guy. In most cases, beaten women are suffering a pattern. A pattern that is perfectly predictable a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:14 PM
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Companionship, sex, sharing life experiences, splitting mutual responsibilities, having a family So you admit that not having a relationship limits the range of experiences that make us happy? I'm getting a contradictory message here. So you can be 100% as happy on your own, but a relationship can add happiness to being fully happy? ?? I don't get it. I suspect we all need relationships to be happy and no one can truly be happy without a relationship. Some people get comfortable with that and ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:13 PM
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Agreed, but to be fair I don't think most people who are obsessed with dating or love or friendship can change much of that obsession. Maybe drugs can help and some therapy, but at the end that seems to be a trait of neuroticism, and personality traits are very elastic (they can be adjusted) but they always come back to their original shape (depression, despair, loneliness, etc.). I don't know why neuroticism is so common if it makes us so miserable, but apparently nature just cares about surviv…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:08 PM
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This is just anécdotas but last St. Valentine's day I was just scrolling my IG and man, the amount of women crying because they didn't have a man to go on a diner date, and the ones who had one the dudes didn't even bothered to buy them a candy hahahaha dude I swear I was laughing to tears. I'm sure the guy's looks and sexiness are way more important than any chocolate or dinner they can buy them, though. They are asking for way more than they offer, which is what? Pussy?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:04 PM
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Men always go to the extremes. Men are the most criminals and also the greatest builders and creators. Men are the saints but also the Hitlers and Maos. In this aspect, I would say some men are way happier in their own, while others are extremely depressed on their own. Few are in between. Women are more balanced on that... they don't do so bad, but not that great either.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:03 PM
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Dying alone after living a full life with people you love for years, is way better than dying alone after living like 40 years on your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:01 PM
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I agree we shall be happy in our own, but to be fair, if we could be fully happy on our own, then why would we seek anyone outside? Is everyone in a relationship truly unhappy with themselves that they need an outsider to fix them?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:01 PM
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I know it is no substitute for community and social life, but a lot of those things are outside of the scope of what we can control as individuals. Even personality issues like autism or neuroticism can affect our life forever, without we even being able to significantly change it, and if we do the effort may not be worth it weighting for the benefit. I hate to say it, but some of us will have to downsize.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:00 PM
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Suicide would only make sense if you try to live fully in such harsh environment in the first place without having the genes. Plenty of animals, even whole species, go dormant or live the minimum and have waited to the point they can live or rather find more inner and quite forms to live. I'm sure we can do that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 01:42 PM
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The world is better than ever. If you feel the world is too hard for kids, then maybe you feel humans shall not exist at all... which is OK, but you can start with yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 01:39 PM
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Technically women are already fucking plenty of men before they are even 20, so they have more experience than most older men anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 09:39 PM
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What is the point of getting a relationship if you are so happy with yourself? If anything, you are adding another variable of complexity that you probably cannot control. In this context would make the other person as just another accessory and not someone vital for you. I'm not saying you shall not be happy with yourself, but it has nothing to do with dating. Plenty of unhappy people find a loving person and they feel way better. Plenty of happy people never find love. Both are OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 09:34 PM
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I think that at the long run it does affect women as fewer men are available, even men that would be perfectly fine but as they don't go out a lot they will never meet a special woman. So at the end women end up with the same party guys that use them as masturbatory devices, but apparently, they do enjoy it and they can "fix" the guy. Well, that is their problem, as I agree guys have it way worse. Maybe it is for the best we are less social now, it is a rational response to current technological…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 09:33 PM
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I would say "first time we help, next time you get back to the guy, you are on your own". Imagine spending millions of tax dollars on a kink to be abused again and again.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 09:28 PM
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Well, this can also be applied to women who pick bad men and take terrible decisions. If she is old enough to decide, and yet she decides to stay with a man that beats them, then the police shall not spend resources on protecting her from her own decisions, or her pregnancy, or whatever. Sure, it is whataboutism, but my point is that often women are seen as perpetual victims and men as perpetual perpetrators, while clearly in most cases both men and women can be abused.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 09:10 PM
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Haha, good one. I observe usually these pairs of opposing views are often applied to different genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 09:07 PM
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Having children is not a requirement in life. You are right, having kids is not a requirement for life, but a lot of our infrastructure, countries, etc. rely on a younger working population. Imagine 20% of working population keeping 10% of kids and also 70% of old population. This will happen: Old childless people (or people with few children) will have a lot of political power. They will try to use it to extract even more money from the youth to live a few years. The younger will resent those p…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 09:05 PM
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the man does not need to be rich, just earn more than women and most men do, and they are often abused for that
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 09:02 PM
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This has nothing to do with desires or circumstances, but to the implications of a relationships and responsibilities of each part. Read it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:27 PM
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Are you unable to proceed with getting int oa relationship because the instructions are unclear? It makes the process extremely hard because other people have different ideas of love and relationships that are not necessarily compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:27 PM
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We are too early to see the consequences of this, but in 100.000 years we will see how cultures that adopted the least those values will thrive. Feminism may be seen as a world destroyer, or rather we will have to somehow overcome hormones and biological gender in a way or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:26 PM
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Men value love too, but yes, sex can be enough, but love is required if you want frequent sex and probably if you also want a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:24 PM
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Ironically it seems sex equality was common in criminal organizations before feminism because (1) there were no regulations keeping women away and (2) their criminal husbands usually left the operation to her. It keeps happening in some parts of Latin America today for drug trafficking.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:22 PM
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You can also see in the segregating of sexes. "Parkings for women", "train travel for women", "gym for women" and shit like that that would not be legal if you switched genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 06:21 PM
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I guess it depends on the power dynamics. If a single moms marries a rich guy or a single guy, it is seen as she abusing him off money. Also as an alternative dad because the kids usually live with her. So many men are great stepfathers but when the relationship ends, it is over and the kids are affected too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:55 PM
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Maybe for commitment, but for sex women never have any problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:46 PM
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Many women claim they would not date men with children, but so far I see men with children and multiple marriages, so they must have something desirable. Don't get me wrong, step moms are often bitches to step children, but overall it does not seem to affect attraction as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:45 PM
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Do you realize porn stars with tiny little slits bang hundreds of dudes per month? They get surgeries to remove them. It is sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 03:11 PM
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All is a tradeoff. It all started with agriculture. It allowed us to have more food but also less animal protein, and weak people had more chance to survive and reproduce, so the species became weaker. I suspect in the future we will love connected to pods and laughing about people in the past having to eat and go to bathroom. Whatever this is good or bad, it is up to each of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:58 PM
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There are actually more than enough working adults going forward to “afford” to take care of seniors for the rest of their lives. Not soon if birth rates keep falling. Only hope is that automation catch up, but I suspect there is a ceiling for it, just as for other techs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:51 PM
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Umm, I never denied development had a role in all this. Development itself is also not necessary in every culture. Some culture have lived primitive lives for millenia.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:49 PM
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Why do you think you seem to have such a problem with there being multiple views on a topic? Not a problem for multiple people to have multiple views on topics, but such diversity suggests there is no concensus, and no one really has it all figures out. But there is another category of people that also holds those contradictions as individuals, and for selfish reason (I'm entitled to love, I shall do nothing to get love, but they shall put all effort to love me... treat me as equal but also I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:48 PM
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Modernization often carries with it a lot of values that are originally Western, and factories and investment from the West is what brought such modernization to the East. Whatever the East would come with those values if it modernized on their own, or not, is just a question of ideological convergence and evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:46 PM
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I can't imagine being a republican as a high school student. A lot of republicans are libertarian or moderates, though. Apparently even wanting to make money or wanting to have sex is now conservative because "toxic masculinity" or shit like that. Political Parties also exchanged some ideas recently, so for example Democrats are more pro-war now than Republicans, at least on issues of Ukraine. No guy want to be drafted for that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:43 PM
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They believe political simping will get them any sex LOL Women also ask men to be leftist (ideologically, on abortion or shit like that) but rightist (make good money, be capitalists). Imagine listening to women on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:39 PM
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I'm providing a different explanation and asking you for evidence of your claim. That's not sealioning. I claimed many things, what specific claim you are asking reference about?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:37 PM
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It’s because in established countries with access to modern medicine and a good quality of life you don’t need to have 7 kids hoping 2 or three manage to survive. It is also established that those countries will have huge issues getting taxes for keeping a class of childless old retired people. In fact, it already started in Japan and similar countries. PLUS the cost of living crazy thing about children, they need to eat several times every day plus put clothes in them: and they don’t seem to br…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:36 PM
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Yeah, globalism. Imagine comparing and competing with endless people around the world... it means your life and having kids is not so important anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:33 PM
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Again, do you have any evidence for this other than you repeating it? Did you at least read the link? Because many posit that it is an outcome of a modern society, and yet you continously repeat western western western over and over again. You love sealioning, but modernism as we know it today started in the West, so did modern values such as capitalism, communism, etc. Even higher education is related to lower birth rates, and widespread modern secular Education also started in Europe and USA.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:30 PM
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The trend seems to be global, but seems to be associated with influence of Western values (individualism, capitalism, even communism) and technologies (modern birth control) Fertility rate: 'Jaw-dropping' global crash in children being born - BBC News
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:21 PM
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You don't have to try, lady, and I understand the debate is tiresome, and honestly probably pointless. I suggest you, which is easier, to just be more empathic to male issues. Even if you hate most men or something, consider this also affects men in your life, such as sons or husband or brothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:11 PM
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The trend is universal, and related to the widespread of internet and Western influence, and birth control methods: Fertility rate: 'Jaw-dropping' global crash in children being born - BBC News Most modern birth control methods were developed and widespread first in the West, so at least on that the West is to blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 02:04 PM
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I suspect the reason is that the East is adopting Western values. Their drop in birth rates is way worse because they changed their values so radically in a generation, and they had no immunity to it. Similar cultures like North Korea and South Korea are now totally different on birth rates and values and customs because Western influence in the South.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:59 PM
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The problem is when a man tells himself he cannot be happy and fulfilled without love/sex. He walks around giving off a desperate and needy vibe that is an instant turn off to others. But the drive in men is greater, it is not a social convention or conscious decision to be on need. Only men not suffering it are men who are attractive and social. If you are ugly or autistic, it is over for those men. Sure, desperation has a lot to do with it, but rather that desperation comes from the initial la…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:57 PM
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The level of pride, arrogance, hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness in such expectation is so great. Even if you attract a person that way, they are not your level, they are serfs that you will never love as equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:54 PM
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aWaRenEsS Nah, it is rather a way to justify your own decision to not have kids, which is fine, but you are just trying to convince yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:50 PM
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You don't seem very sure about your decision to not have kids to make these posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:49 PM
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They love to bitch online about this. They don't seem very sure about their decision to not have kids to make these posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:48 PM
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Female suicide rates will rapidly increase by the year 2030. No wonder they are greatest users of state assisted death, too, where legal. Imagine filling their mouth of mental health shit, therapy, love, psychology, friendships, etc. and still finding a way to lose and be somehow be so unhappy. They forgot men and women are 50/50 and there are not enough top men there for them all, and I observed women today still HATE to share, so I don't expect polygamy to become a thing again.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:40 PM
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I don't get this. Why focus so much effort on dating and love, if it is just a complement?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:29 PM
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Hard to find with all that long labia because she had sex since high school with thousands of guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:27 PM
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The sad thing is that regardless they win as they are the agents of the top men they fuck and also the powerful men they want to fuck (but never will get to commit to them). They basically use the state to tax men, giving them nothing in exchange, to pay for their bastards and vices. Sure, all this dynamic is unconscious and collective, not a conspiracy, but at the end it is just women simping for a few top men and fucking up every other guy in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:26 PM
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It was a trend but also other male institutions are increasingly seen as sexist or toxic. Having friends does not replace the need for sex and romantic love, especially in men, who have stronger drives for sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:24 PM
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Agreed it does not replace sex or love or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:23 PM
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Women are not entitled to a lot of other things. They are not entitled to men's wallet. They are not entitled to a random man's protection. They are not entitled to a provider. ETC.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:19 PM
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Women lay as a corpse on bed and expect men to do everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:17 PM
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Porn and masturbation can be temporary relief, but porn is addictive, especially if reinforced by masturbation. Soon one needs more porn, or more drastic porn, and with time nothing but porn is interesting. Therefore some men reject porn as coping mechanism. Porn is not more addictive than sex. Sure, some may want more extreme forms of porn, but ironically women prefer that kind of violent porn, not men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:14 PM
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Many men seem to lack deep meaningful friendships with other men. Women activelly banned and dismantled groups of men as "sexist", even in colleges fraternities and so on. All sponsored by a state that also wants men to be depressed and defeated. Many women are basically whore police of the state and powerful men at this point. You are basically making your own brothers and sons depressed and unhappy forever, with the help of all institutions and the state. Men also don't rely on "more friends" …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:12 PM
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Men have burned cities and killed for sex. it is extremely powerful. It is also the foundation for every romantic relationship that exists, and thus family/children, and thus the entire human race depends on it. I think thanks to Porn men are duller and are not being that violent anymore. Sure, they now see women as holes, but better than the alternative of them being violent. Ironic how much women hate porn considering it is the only thing keeping civilization running right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:11 PM
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LOL, read about the first female pirate, she almost killed her tripulation just for vanity of having clean water for cleaning her clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:08 PM
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It does not matter if you get attention in real life or not anymore. As a woman, you can get sex in like 20 minutes in an app. That opens the door to many potential romantic partners, yet women prefer it going slow, which is fine but also proves that women don't lack that privilege... they just prefer a few men that are not into them, but that oppression is self inflicted. Heck, even trans women that barely pass are getting more sex than average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:07 PM
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They still find a way to lose, though, even living in tutorial mode.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:05 PM
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I would believe that, but I also read that most users of state assisted death are women. So maybe it is working to seek mental health, but at some point it catches up. Also, if the cause is hormones and so on, then you can say the same about men having testosterone and not getting sex. Why invalidate men's experience but not women's with hormones?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:03 PM
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Most old women get to that stage, that is why they are the greatest users of antidepressants. The difference is that some men are miserable forever, while many women get miserable at some point while most get a lot of privilege. So, in summary, men suffer all life while women start to suffer the same at some point of life. Some women may argue it is worse to lose a privilege than never having it, but most men disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:01 PM
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Is it really a problem that the average men faces that he cant get sex? Well, it is a problem for them and for society if it is a widespread problem. I don't get why it is controversial to say men don't having something so basic as bad? Or does porn and masturbation take away mens need for sex? I guess it helps a lot way more than women and men want to admit. Men don't want to admit porn helps because it makes them looks like losers. Women don't want to admit it because they cannot accept they c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/23 01:00 PM
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Men who are at ease with women and have a social life don’t pull pick up artist stunts like getting women alone or making up phony reasons to talk at them. You just need to be hot enough, and how you do it does not matter anymore. An example.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:27 PM
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Because the large majority of people in power are religious men who are accustomed to centuries of authoritarian rule, and those men continue to demand that women kowtow and obey them. LOL, actually it was religion with started to push this bullshit of protecting the weak and now the weak (women, mentally ill people, etc.) have all power and they are terrible with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:02 PM
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Nobody has built-in immunity to rejection. No, but men develop it quickly. Some women get old, when brain has a harder time learning, to find out that they are not rejected... now you get Karens and other abominable women of that class. No wonder that even women find working with men more pleasing than with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 06:00 PM
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The men who do ignore social norms are precisely the men who flip out when the script doesn’t go their way. Ironically those are also the men that get any success in dating. Only good-looking men can succeed, tho. Basically all "valid" rules tie average good men to nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 05:59 PM
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Men will always have to approach. Hopefully with good manners. Woman will always have to turn men away. Hopefully with good manners. It’s part of life. Agreed. Unless he is being annoying and insistent, or she is being arrogant and humiliating the guy, there is no reason to think that approaching and being rejected has to be a terrible experience for either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 05:55 PM
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Please don't be disingenuous. I never said you shall say "yes" to anyone, but you have to learn to say no even if you feel it risky.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 05:53 PM
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Bars are often places for approaching, and there are many approaches, romantic and amicable, there.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 05:52 PM
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If a woman had an "approach me" sign, many of the guys who would approach her wouldn't be the type of guys that she liked for reason other than looks as well, so it's not just something against ugly guys. Agreed, but that proves my point, women just want many if not most men to self-select out, and probably even self-delete themselves if possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 05:41 PM
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I agree older men can stay very attractive, but they have two things that may ruin it: Losing hair Getting fat If you are attractive man, and you don't have the bad luck of losing hair and you don't get fat, you will be able to keep being significantly attractive for a few decades. On the flip side, women have more options to keep their looks, such as makeup to keep the apparencies, many more treatments and creams, etc. Women hate to admit this, but I think at the end it all adds up to fairness …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:05 PM
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It is perfect for a very narrow top range of men. For every other man, there are better ways to cope such as porn, but it is just cope, not something that makes you feel satisfied or developed long term. Women also benefit from this short term, but they deep know that men care less and less about commitment, staying around and hearing their stupid complaints, etc. so at the end that makes them to have more access to sex with top men that will never care shit about them or their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:43 PM
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Yeah, I noticed that too, women rather give signs. The problem is that a lot of times those signs are very ambiguous or even deceptional. IDK why women do that, but I suspect they gain/lose attraction in very fast cycles. For example, one day they find the guy hot and the other they see it as just another annoying coworker.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:13 PM
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If a guy can kill or hurt you for you saying "no", he does not many reasons to do it anyway. It will make no significant difference that you say "yes" and later find it out, in fact it is probably worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:11 PM
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I did, as a man, but I accepted the fact I would probably die alone and rotten in an apartment. I would not just mate just for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:10 PM
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There is always risk a seller, hobo, activist, etc. can get violent against you if you don't accept what they want to sell, but that is not a good reason to not say "no".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:10 PM
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I'm not saying this is a conscious conspiracy from women. It is equivalent to "patriarchy" from feminists, an aggregate of behaviors and beliefs. Someone asked why women don't wear some sign to show they are interested in being approached... why don't they do that? Well, because most men that approach would not be the men they like, so that is why they don't do it. As you can see, women want men to select themselves and they do absolutely nothing but be pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:08 PM
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Love is overrated, same as commitment, especially by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 01:05 PM
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I don't think society or even most men want it. Men don't trust women who approach them (eg. sex workers). Women hate rejection and have no built in immunity to it, so they hate it to. Women love to talk about equality and so, but women never gave up their own privileges. Only a few delusional men want this because they expect women to ask them out, but that would not happen either... women would just ask out the same top 10% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:40 PM
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I used to have these beliefs about medieval times as dark, but slowly I changed my perspective as I learned about other times and I found a lot of medieval institutions and traditions made perfect sense in those times to survive and even thrive in some cases. The fall of the Roman Empire was the decline of roman culture and tradition, but the raise of new cultures, traditions, and languages way more sophisticated, and the flourishment of cultures and traditions that were suppressed by Rome. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:35 PM
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On average? Yes, people are getting taller, but I think it has more to do with nutrition than anything, and also sexual selection yet it works way slowly. The genetic issue is also that a lot of those genes are not sexual but triggered by sexual hormones, so you get a lot of smaller women that keep birthing shorter males because height is not selected in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:23 PM
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I don't think the future is dark. Not like the dark ages that were caused by wome.... Oh no that was caused by religion. Medieval times as Dark ages is a myth, Europe actually grew and consolidated. Medieval times were not more religious just because they had more centralized church.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:10 PM
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With sexual freedom and now social media, women can choose any man they want, while most men will rot alone. "Choicing" is a weird word for just being a masturbatory device for a few men with options, that will dispose of them as trash as long as they get old or fat. Male loneliness and sexless romance less life's are the male genders fault. It will only keep growing the number and percentage of lonely men, be ready, the future is dark. Interesting you talk about a dark future, since old women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:07 PM
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At some point, yes, if you have it 10x or 100x harder, it is better to give up. You can be a winner in something else, but probably not dating or relationships. Old and ugly women have a similar issue. In fact women claim men are competing for them not choosing to be single, so they can find enjoyment in that, so can men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:44 PM
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Many people want a relationship, but many of those also have to work way harder than others. So it makes sense to do nothing and choose something easier. It is a perfectly rational choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:38 PM
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Women are biologically attracted to height but the reality is they didnt have as much choice before and were willing to settle. Most societies gave a say to women on who they married, though. Arranged marriages were common in royalty and so, but not as much in common life. I would say women had less options in the village, but so did men. Of course some women married to survive, but also some men married just for dowry or just customs or please their family. It was not a female thing only.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:37 PM
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I don't think we have lived enough generations for that to be significant genetically, it is probably nutrition and lifestyle. In the past probably being shorter had other advantages such as surviving better, less food needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:33 PM
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This is one of the biggest problems no one talks about. Men today work and go home and hide and play video games or go on red pill forums. It is kinda shocking to me the lack of self awareness some guys have. How are you even going to meet anyone? As a guy I sometimes laugh at red pill stuff because of how dumb some of the stuff is. Why go out and do anything to get someone, if others can use an app and get all the women they want without even leaving the apartment? Seems reasonable and logical …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:32 PM
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If your partner was promiscuous, it is reasonable to be insecure about their commitment and even the children you may have with that person that may not be truly yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:30 PM
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No. It also seems the many former porn starts that commit suicide alone suggest that most men don't want to handle that shit either, not even male porn stars.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:27 PM
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Sure, but most men can take a No, tho. Even if they take it bad, or hate you for that, as long as they are not violent it shall not be a problem but theirs. It does seem, however, that women paralyze with social anxiety and stuff like that, but that is her issues to fix. Personally, I find hobos asking for money way more dangerous and likely to hurt you, and yet no one is trying to outlaw them. Different reason to approach, but same dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:26 PM
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Yeah, it makes no sense... "I fear for my life but, whatever, I'm out here looking for good dick"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:25 PM
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I think there are few reasons: Women often lie saying they did enjoy sex. They fake orgasms and so on. Most women don't seem to prioritize sex as much as men, so men don't add importance to it either. Women often enjoy more the romantic interaction and company, almost as much as sex itself. I'm not saying women don't enjoy sex, but they don't put sex on a pedestal as men do. Now, I do agree women shall be more honest and men shall be more conscious about sexual satisfaction of both parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:19 PM
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Thank you for your POV. I find it not strange women are not attracted to most men. In retrospective, most men are not attracted to most women either (eg. old, fat, moms, disabled, taken, etc). Many other women are sexually attractive but not marriage or dating material (taken, party girls, etc.). Attraction is to be supposed exclusive, and sadly some people will never by anyone's choice. My point is that society often is more empathic to women than men. The reason seems to be that it is less lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:14 PM
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On the other side I've had a few guys who honestly - but respectfully - rejected me by saying that I'm not their type or that the don't feel the chemistry. I definitely prefer the latter. I honestly prefer that too. In fact, I think that is the most respectful way to do it, if you have a calm and discrete response. Now, I get some men would get mad at that, but I don't see how is that safer than shaming them or ignoring them or anything, they may as well take that bad. Maybe I'm wrong, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 07:10 PM
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To be fair, women in my family have not said they ever had this problem or anything similar, but probably the reason is cultural. I live in a very Latino place and the interaction is slightly different, and most people already know each other in the places they assist. Who knows, maybe we can learn something about interactions from Latinos on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 06:25 PM
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I hate to say it, but if that fear is that strong, a public space alone is probably the space for that person. This applies to men and women, I mean, social anxiety is a real condition. Statistics say that violence is less than ever, and violent crime has gone down (although stealing is going up these years, for some reason). I feel sorry those women feel like that, tho. I hope they find friends and company to feel better, or at least find some confidence to overcome that fear. I really do, many…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:51 PM
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That is why I gave that example. If a strange you don't feel comfortable with wants to sit in you table, and there are other free tables, just say "no". That is not like rejecting a sexual approach or buying a drink. Plenty of approach are very warm and therefore inconquential. If an inconsequential rejection can make a man violent, then the guy may as well be violent for no reason at all anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:45 PM
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It happened with my lesbian neighbors. Like, girl, why are you even talking to me out of the blue? We have nothing in common and you are not into men. I just want to go to my apartment and sleep.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:42 PM
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That is most likely to happen with hobos and yet women virtue signal support for them and also for releasing criminals from jail. Women as a collective create their own hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:39 PM
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Ironic that as women become more equal and independent, they also became so coward. I swear, the average grandma has more bravery than half "independent and free" women today.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:38 PM
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There are plenty of things we don't choose but happen to us. Sorry for those women being attacked after rejecting guys, but the fear is mostly irrational. I would fear way more homeless people, for example, and that does not mean I want to lock them up or stuff like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:36 PM
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Yeah, it is such an irrational fear, especially if you are in a public space with plenty of people around.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:34 PM
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This is very simple: why do women have to feel discomfort for a dating interaction they do not want? Why do men get to make women feel uncomfortable for the sole benefit of the man? My point is that there are plenty of daily interactions you may not welcome, such a greenpeace activist, a seller, a hobo, etc. and you can say No. Imagine banning all that just because some women feel or may feel uncomfortable, it would make no sense. Just learn to say NO.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:33 PM
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Parasitism. Those marriage will probably not last and men pay their for their baby fever.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 05:22 PM
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That statistic is who files the petition at the court. Lesbian marriages also divorce the most, way more than male gay couples and heterosexual couples. The only variable on higher divorce is women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:57 PM
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Explains why so many married men arent happy with their perfectly fine wives. Men say they "hate their family" but it is mostly a joke, they love them. They just don't want to be around them that much time, it gets annoying, they need their space.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:52 PM
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Is not that kind of unfair to the man they marry? It is way worse than marrying for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:50 PM
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Yes, it is a very shitty situation to be, but still at some point you have to learn to say NO anyway, not just to sexual approaches, but also to sellers and so on. Also, it makes no difference... you can be attractive to the guy and he can hurt you anyway, so I don't get what this has to do with my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:47 PM
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Nearly everyone is uncomfortable around people who ignore social norms and exhibit strange behavior. Well, if the guy is hot, that may consider them "eccentric". It depends on a lot of factors, and sexual tension is always kind of uncomfortable too in the initial stages. I find it odd that erotic novels of women are full of borderline r*ape sex, and yet women find that good reading material, while most men don't enjoy the equivalent porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:44 PM
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Sad for that, but that is their problem they cannot handle it. As long as they are not violent against you, of course. Some women need more assertiveness, and they don't have to be cruel or evil to do that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:42 PM
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It is, but most likely soon or later that violence can be used against the woman and the children, and also in today's society a lot of those violent actions are illegal, so there is no guarantee the guy will be there to grow strong children.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:41 PM
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I think you are suggesting my post says that women shall not reject men, I'm not saying that, and talking in a more generic soft approaches, not direct approaches that may end up in violence. For example, appraches to eat in the same table or buying a drink. Women are free to reject what they want, men are not entitled to sex and women are not entitled to male protection or resources or friendship or help either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:40 PM
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Very sad that happened to you, but I don't think that is as common as women claim. BTW, what was the ethnicity of the guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:36 PM
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Very sad that happened to you, but most men are not like that, just as most women don't use rejection for humiliation and make a guy k*ll himself, but some do.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:34 PM
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I would not say they have better relationships, but they get more sex. Women find them more "assertive", "strong", etc. and being bad automatically means you don't care as much of social expectation, so obviously that makes you more independent. In the past, women were probably more likely to survive dating those men than weaker good men, and probably they still have that drive in them. Reality feels so cruel.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:27 PM
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The reason why many women don’t just say no is because men cannot handle it. Yeah, I heard that, but in a public space or for initial approach men usually are not that reactive. Seems more like another of those irrational fears. In fact, I would say women are way more reactive in the context of dating and relationship, but that is another issue. Not to mention, women are more likely to date violent men anyway and find "toxic masculinity" strangely attractive for how much they criticize it, so it…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:25 PM
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Ironically sterilizing those men and women with serious genetic issues is way less cruel than this method of humiliating, gaslighting and shaming them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:20 PM
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I'm just giving an example of what I observed in many women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:19 PM
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Women lie about what they truly want and deny it, even to their own sons. We all knew it. Some men find it too late in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:18 PM
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Many men have low self steem and a shameful rejection have caused them to self terminate. Ironically, if a woman did that for what a man said to her, the man would be considered da terrible person... but it seems it is not the same way if reversed genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:16 PM
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Yes, I think the strategy of using antidepressants, as older useless women do (imagine being depressed while living in tutorial mode lol), it is the way to go for those men. I mean, if they can deal with that in another way, I hope they do, but sometimes just taking the pill is the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:14 PM
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I'm talking in a more general way, not individuals. I'm saying that simply society have made clear that it prefers men to be unhappy and depressed and suicidal, than women being even slightly uncomfortable by having to reject them. The problem with this is that, if you shame half men into never dating (remember men are half population), women have even fewer options to date and at the end it also hurts women as they are disposable for the few men that fuck them. This is what we see with single m…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 03:12 PM
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There are many women that want be approached, but the few that can destroy your life or make your day bitter are there and you cannot read their minds. Even worse, women have periods and in some of those days they may hate men even when they are perfectly fine otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 02:51 PM
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Unfortunately, a lot of people take those rules very seriously, e.g. white knights. Women may not enforce them, but their orbiters, sucker friends, etc. do enforce them and can damage the reputation of even average men. Not to mention the work environment, government, etc. which puts women in a whole new level of pedestal. The reason? Apparently women cannot say "no" or walk away in their own will, it is too much work. Apparently women cannot even feel uncomfortable interacting with everyday lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 02:50 PM
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Unattractive men are strongly discouraged from interacting with women and are severely sanctioned for attempting to do so. Yes, at this point (and I'm being serious) the control against those men is akin to the control women have in Middle East countries, but in a very decentralized and dehumanizing way. Almost all society is brainwashed to put women on a pedestal and how dare an ugly man find you attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 02:47 PM
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I'm not saying women are the enemy. I think women have the right to be as picky as they want, I'm just pointing out that they seem to say a thing, even to their won sons, and be attracted to totally different thing. Maybe women do have a good reason for that? Maybe they are assuming initial attraction is not that important? That would make sense, but so far it seems women have a hard time admitting any of the that. You could make life easier for your own family male members if you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 02:46 PM
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To be fair, I've never seen a guy get violent by rejection. Not saying it does not happen, but I suspect they just want to look "nice" rather than avoid risks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:16 PM
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Too hard, not worth the hassle. Cannot wait for machines that cause orgasms in my mind and no need for love, women or shit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 01:14 PM
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Gold diggers will flock to that sort of wealth, which is great if you're into gold diggers I guess. Gold diggers are just more honest women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 12:56 PM
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Ok but I’m a woman and a daughter of women with sisters and many many female friends. I can tell you that kindness is the number one quality I look for as I’m evaluating men Maybe it is at some point, deep into a relationship, but what is the point if you don't even have entry point to meet women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 12:55 PM
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You’re not a healthy funcional human if you’re extremely jealous or insecure you’re not healthy. It is sensitive to not do stuff that your partner find comfortable. So is sensitive to not do stuff that makes another person's partner uncomfortable with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:55 PM
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I guess many men, like me, don't really have any social life outside of work nor a lot of time or energy to build one, so maybe options at work may be tempting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:54 PM
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Weird you consider it paranoid but an autistic guy looking weird at a girl at work is certainly ground for HR to call him. Such inconsistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:52 PM
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Violence is not attractive to women. Women do not want to be beaten and we want to feel safe with a partner. Indiscriminate random violence doesn’t make anyone feel safe at all. The theory is that women want men capable of violence to feel protected. I'm not saying that theory is right, but it makes sense for the same reason they don't like weak good men either. Of course, most women don't expect that violence to be used against them, but it is a risk women have to take and many find it less ris…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:50 PM
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So you know 0 good men in relationships with women? I never said that. I'm saying that I don't think that being good is a variable women consider, even when they always are asking "where good guys are?" or telling their children that women like nice good guys. Then men find that women never considered being good as much as they claimed, that they have to change their genetics to be attractive, and obviously they get mad when their expectations are not met... as everyone who has been scammed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:23 PM
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But if you’re a normal and healthy functioning person then it’s a good idea to have friends of both genders Umm, all other cases you mentioned seem healthy people functional people too. In fact, married men often do this more, to avoid women at work, as they have valid reasons to and more to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:22 PM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:21 PM
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If women avoided men because women were in relationships in a significant and noticeable way, would you think that was a good idea? I don't think men would find that problematic, in fact I would say most women in relationships don't talk too much to other men precisely to prevent problems, unless they want to cheat or they don't have awareness of it. No one is "excluding" anyone, they are just avoiding some interactions that may be problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:20 PM
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Why is it that guys that don’t have real relationships pretend that people aren’t just friends? You are assuming many things. In most cases it is actually married men that avoid other women at work for these reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:19 PM
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Yeah, it happened to me too, not as much as the woman I'm talking to, but other women in the office are snakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:18 PM
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Very true, and it is very disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:08 PM
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The Marx cult calls it dialectical inversion and it's used as an ideological weapon all the time. Yeah, it escapes my mind how people have not realized it is the same shit again and again. First it was rich people, then it was white people, then it was heterosexual men, etc. It is always about using one small-yet-big-enough demographic as scapegoat while they push all the other weird shit the "intellectuals" made up, in the background of democracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:07 PM
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Relationships, dating, love, social interaction, etc. is not rational, and never will be. the most rational thing in work would to avoid such irrational social interactions beyond what is required to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 08:06 PM
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Tell them how you're supporting some woman. Even better if you have a daughter. They don't care about you, but they wouldn't want to take away resources from a woman. Nice strategy, I also observed this. They rather focus more on street animals than on struggling men... such an "empathic" gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:52 PM
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You are right, maybe it is not fair to blame women, just saying that in most cases boys deeply respect their moms and they are the vectors for these feel-so-good disney worldviews, so I think moms shall be more aware about this. Then schools and institutions. Fathers are usually more realistic in this, yet often they don't do their work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:50 PM
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If there is 9 women for every 10 guys or vice vers Also after 30 women lose most attraction, get fat, have children, so it is basically way fewer women than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:32 PM
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A lot of good people can have committed relationships, but they are too picky and outprice themselves out of the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:30 PM
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Women and men can be platonic friends. A lot of people find problematic to befriend coworkers, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:27 PM
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For the Everyman you have much less to lose other than your name/reputation and personal freedoms. Which may be enough to make them homeless :/
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:22 PM
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and only romantically pursue women who won’t get you in hot water while keeping your friends…friends. Coworkers are not friends and ideally not potential partners, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:21 PM
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I'm sure you can socialize with coworkers and yet avoid spaces 1-to-1 private meetings too. In the same token plenty of people don't socialize with anyone but the person they find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:20 PM
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Being nice to everyone costs nothing. Helping and dating women does cost, and alot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:18 PM
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Agreed. I mean, if a friendship comes, good for it, but it is not safe to assume coworkers are or want to be friends just for tolerating us.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:17 PM
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Pence is a Christo-Fascist who doesn't even shake hands with women. Pence said he does not go out with women to prevent problems with wife, but I have no sources saying he does not shake hands with women. Maybe you probably mean a Muslim politician? Those are not christo-fascists, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:15 PM
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In most cases women just want orbiters, tho. Glad it is not your case.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:14 PM
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Yeah I don't think women necessarily want men that are actual bad guys that intend on physically abusing them. I never inteded to say they wanted the guy for being bad, I'm saying it clearly make no difference in their attraction. They probably are attracted to ther traits bad guys often have, like being more confident. But the issue is that tons of women, particularly ones in the west, tend to ignore some glaring red flags if the man is attractive enough or tall enough or high status enough. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:11 PM
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Women only makes assumptions of what they like. They don't know what they like until they actually like it You have a point, maybe women are unconscious about that, yet it is weird men are conscious about it and prove it is the case, and yet women are still in denial. Ultimately most women are looking for a soulmate. A person really has only one soulmate and if they are luck maybe 2 or 3. In most cases, a soulmate is just a hot guy. They just use better words for that. For some reason women see …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:09 PM
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Well, it is likely you are attractive. Women treat the rest of men as trash and that is why you feel like in another planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 06:06 PM
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A true friendship is actually reciprocal. Women do have reciprocal friendship with men, but they are usually gay men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:59 PM
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Yeah, also free labor, free protection, help her move, favors, etc. with nothing of value in exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:56 PM
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Have you confirmed that is genuine interest or you assume that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:56 PM
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Being alone is one of very last things I worry about for my future. What I'm far more concerned with is eyesight. Because once that goes, I'm fucked. Then it will be time for assisted suicide in the Netherlands. Which will be a perfectly good ending to an improbably good life. LOL, same here (not Netherlands, but I get it).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:54 PM
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Being good has nothing to do with not being social, and that is rather a strawman to justify women not liking what they claim they like. Of course, in reality most men are in between. They go out to a point, they have a job, they may have a few illegal things going on but nothing that bad, etc. Yet again, the worst men still get women as if it had nothing to do with attraction, which is my point. That suggests that women say is not valid, it is a lie. But lets suppose you are right, then it is e…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:53 PM
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You mean only terrible guys put themselves out and good guys are not even trying because a strawman in your imagination to justify liking what you always say you don't like?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:49 PM
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I see this dynamic in the erotic novels women like to read. Not saying women necessarily want that in real life, but imagine the outrage if guys openly read novels or watch porn about fake r*pe on the pretext that "it is just fiction". It is very sad to realize that almost all attraction rules are inverted in reality. It is as if "If an attraction rule needs to exist, it is to deny reality" thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:48 PM
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People do things because they feel socially obligated or intimidated or coerced or scared all the time. Agreed. Just pointing out that women generally are not being honest at all about what they want. They may as well have a valid reason for that, though, I have no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:43 PM
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After some age that is almost impossible, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:42 PM
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I'm talking generally. Most women are not conscious about these lies, though. Plenty of women genuinely believe the rapist boyfriend has "changed". Of course not all women are to that extreme, but most women are OK ignoring red flags as long as the guy is hot. That is the only flag that matters. But I do agree it is not fair to judge ALL women on this generalization, I'm talking of it as an observation. No one is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:38 PM
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Yes, women are attracted to masculinity. Women fight masculinity as "toxic" with one hand and handjob a hypermasculine criminal with the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:36 PM
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Almost all violent and problematic men get sex because they are willing to resort to being violent and problemetic to get it. I would accept that explanation maybe 200 years ago or on a third world country, but in the West women are freer than ever, and yet they are not choosing more average good men that ever... in fact, they are choosing a smaller and smaller class of men that treat them as disposable trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:35 PM
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Average and below average men treat women like trash and objectify them. Considering women blame those issues on basically all men, and the fact that women date only those guys, it seems those issues are only on the top men women date, so... no sympathy for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 05:33 PM
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It sounds like you’ve had bad experiences! No one is saying those bad experiences aren’t real or aren’t valid. Men also chose crazy girls too. I'm not demonizing women. Some women claim they do this to survive, because if they admitted what they really wanted most guys would be angry, or shit like that. I'm not saying lying is good, but clearly some women believe it is necessary and valid, and I'm not a woman so I don't know if they do have a point. It just sucks that even the most loving women …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 04:17 PM
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all women make the same choices I'm not assuming that, but consider the following: Almost all violent and problematic men get sex with no problem. Almost no weak nerd-yet-good and working men get women. By this, men can infer that women don't really like good men as much as they claim. Their attraction goes beyond those variables. Now, see how men are programmed from the start to say that women like nice guys, working men, etc. so men focus on that, being the best of themselves, but they don't h…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 04:15 PM
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In summary, because women lie or are inconsistent on what they want. Men are observing women say a thing and do another. Women already say what they want, men see* what women do and infer by that what they truly want. Men also lie on other aspects, such as issues of commitment and love. But on attraction, women lie and and lie and lie in unbelievable ways just to look more innocent. This gaslighting hurts their own sons, younger men, etc. because they have to take YEARS to deprogram themselves f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 03:40 PM
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I would, but there are a few issues: It is very expensive. So far women still have the monopoly of wombs. Glad tech is getting closer to that not being the case anymore, but we will have to wait decades. Multiple men cannot have DNA in the same child. Why the fuck should a man care for a kid that is not his? In that aspect it is no different from marrying a single mother. However, this issue of loneliness is more general than just having kids or a parner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 03:37 PM
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No one is talking about the law here, I'm talking about civilians, but glad you mentioned it. It is not a legal requirement for a random man to get stabbed trying save a woman from their criminal boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 03:34 PM
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If men don’t value friends and family why do they talk about being lonely? In the context of this forum, for men it is almost always about getting a partner... getting sex, love, etc. That is why women complain in work when men ignore them after they find out that they have a boyfriend or husband. I would say Men care a lot about a minimum of social support (wife, gf) and see more of that as too much effort, and women care a lot about a maximum of social support (social life, friends, etc) and o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 03:31 PM
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Kept assets separate
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 02:57 PM
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Not true. Laws, society, etc. see women and their bastards as angels. They cannot do no wrong. They have to be helped even screwing their own lives multiple times. Men are treated as shit even being the ones keeping the system running.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 02:49 PM
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The only way to make "bad men" go away is for women to stop having casual sex with them. They rather stay alone than, how dare you, date a man their own label. No, seriously, older lonley women use antidepressants as vitamins (the bigger user of those drugs) because it is easier than dealing with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 02:45 PM
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Then the majority of the inoffensive males need to do their utmost to police those men who behave badly. Women are giving themselves voluntarily to those men. There is nothing to police here. Just as men are not entitled to sex, women are not entitled to male protection or care or money without something in exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 02:43 PM
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I find it quite ironic women don't use these phrase when it is about women's issues. Suddenly women's issues are everyone's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 02:42 PM
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Men are more likely to have useful and productive hobbies, not gossip.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 02:41 PM
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It is unfair that women are treated as objects by a minority of the male population. They choose that over dating men their level. Only powerless people here are the rest of men, so both top men and women are to blame.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 02:40 PM
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It is not fair, but you can fight back in a legal and fair way to compensate: Don't help any woman for free. Don't help them with their cars. Don't help them being victims of attacks. Don't accompany them at night. Don't help them move heavy stuff. Don't do any labor for them for free. If they are friends, only do for them the equivalent they do for you (which more often than not, is nothing). Don't date women with children, old, or fat. Remember they had their shot in life, don't give them any …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 02:38 PM
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Suggestion for rest of men: Don't pay taxes for paying the bastards.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 02:33 PM
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Women do better alone than men do, it seems Women can do fine without a partner, but not alone. Most things about women are around social relationships, friends, looks, etc. Nothing wrong with that, and women certainly get and keep those things easier than men. Men have the opposite problem. They do worse without a partner, but they can live without friends or extended social life if they don't need to. Nothing wrong with that because men can be alone and do projects and create and be perfectly …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 02:27 PM
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I don't see it as fatalistic, though. It is sad, but not fatalistic. My life is not over if I don't get a partner, I'm just severely crippled by missing many experiences in life, but I can enjoy the few experiences that are left to me and somehow manage depression for the lack. I just see it as being born without a leg, or being blind. Personality has been proven to be as solid as many of those things, especially if you have neurotic traits. Autism is even worse. But I do agree with you that app…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 02:24 PM
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WTF I never said divorce, but women are more likely to divorce me anyway. What if she dies? What if she leaves? Well, at least I can make a new family elsewhere, or at least have the option. Fertility window of women is way smaller, so it makes sense for them to get sterilized because they will probably get no chance with other man to have children, after a while.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:54 PM
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Good for you, I'm talking generally on what I say. For instance, almost all "single independent women" I know depend on an array of exs, their father, neighbor, etc. to help them fix stuff and move stuff around in home.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:28 PM
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One of my fears is waking up at 50 yrs old completely alone with no family in an apartment or house with wrinkles, slow health decline, and low energy. Never having the chance to even experience a real relationship. I have the same concerns. I'm in the process of somehow desensitizing those possibilities, mentally preparing myself for that hell if it comes. So far I have been successful, especially with Shadow Work (feeling negative emotions fully in a controlled manner). I'm the loneliest perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:24 PM
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I guess dying knowing most of your life you had a family and friends and good partner is not as bad as, for instance, dying also alone in the same way but without living any of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:20 PM
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Oh, I did not consider that part of the question. Men usually don't value family or friends as much as women do. They don't care about visiting people in hospitals nor care about people visiting them as much as women. I would say men are more autistic in this aspect. That does not mean they hate family or friends, they just don't feel the need to be that close. They do care, but it is not like they make a whole deal out of it if it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:19 PM
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I know what you mean, but at that point it social life feels like a chore. Remember the many people with many coworkers in many clubs that end up in a hospital and no one cares to visit them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:16 PM
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I have been practicing Letting Go from Dr. Hawkins and Shadow Work from Dr. Jung. Both methods helped me be the loneliest person I've known without losing my mind or using pills, but yes, it is hard and requires a lot of hard work... probably almost as much as having friends (if I had any).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:14 PM
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I don't think I would get a partner later in life because that person is likely to have more experience than me, and therefore screw me, manipulate me for money or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:12 PM
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At some point you have to take a final choice, even if it is hard, for the benefit of your mental health and avoid despair and cognitive dissonance making the rest of your life miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:10 PM
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Friends are often not for a lifetime, and family trends to move away with their own jobs and closer family.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:08 PM
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That’s how I feel about living alone for the rest of my life. I don’t like it, but, I’m in a state of acceptance with the logic of it. That is a very mature way to see life. As long as we accept the implications of any life we choose, I think we can live more or less a decent life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:07 PM
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I agree they can be damaging for your mental healthy, but I it also helps men like me to find our place and stop being delusional. I'm no longer thing there is a decent woman there for me, or I find it unlikely, thanks to Apps I know it. If apps were not there, I would probably be more likely to be scammed by a single mom or woman trying to get money off me. Now I can focus on better things than women, as I know they are not interested in me. Apps only affect your mental health if you are a man …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:05 PM
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Most women ignore guys as if they did not exist. I'm not even talking about sexual things.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:03 PM
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It’s not. It’s used as a crutch. Your online profile is not a complete representation of you as a person. I mean, it is not a complete representation of a person, but usually it represents the same things that allow women to be interested in men or not in the first place... it all starts with looks, presentation, etc. I would say real life opens you more chances to make women feel attracted, but also it is less likely to meet women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:02 PM
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So you admit women don't care as much about misogyny if the man is hot?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 01:00 PM
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Why do you consider this misogynistic? I can say most men just want to get laid, which is also a generalization, but that does not mean I hate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 12:59 PM
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but I am concerned about stuff like dementia Same, it is worth than death and probably at that point you cannot consent for death anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 12:57 PM
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good point
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 12:50 PM
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Men are open about they want, women are very dishonest about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:33 PM
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The only reason that horrible men can have succes with women is because they can hide their flaws very well in the beginning. Yet women don't find that out after fucking them for 6 months, ignoring all red flags, criminal tattoos, exes, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:32 PM
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Women hate weak good men way more than they hate any good looking evil misogynistic man. It is quite insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:31 PM
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I find it ironic the most misogynistic men often get plenty of sex. Celebrities, criminals who beat women, get plenty of sex. Women hate weak men more than they hate evil or misogynistic men. In fact, I would say women don't have any empathy for men, but they do have some deep sympathy for their sons.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:30 PM
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I think most complains of apps can be generalized to real life, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:28 PM
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Men such as DeNiro had children in their 70s. Male sexuality is fertile in almost every age, although it has its risks, it can be beautiful to have a baby in your 80s... you can be like a grandpa of your own child.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:27 PM
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I admire you can admit this. So many people claim otherwise, but clearly they suffer deep loneliness and despair.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:25 PM
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I would say there is a complex dynamic here: Women enjoy being alone because they have orbiters and men around doing stuff for them, so they are not truly alone. Women are more independent personally, but collectively they rely on men way more than they admit. Men are most likely to have true useful and interesting hobbies and side projects they can perfectly do alone, but they rely in a minimum social relationship such as a wife so it makes them look more dependent but they are in fact more ind…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:23 PM
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Apps don't work for most men but also they don't cost anything. They give you a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:18 PM
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Most women wont marry anyone on the spot? Most women don't even see most men as human.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:14 PM
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No, because I would want to have children with other women later on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:13 PM
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Would you rather have one ungrateful spouse or a hundred million people buying, reading, and praising your book? I'm sure most authors are losers, tho. Also AI is making them obsolete. It is unironically more likely to find satisfaction in marriage even with a 70% chance of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:01 PM
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not really. when you just work, home, eat, sleep and do the same thing every day you dont make new memories so time seems to move very quickly Good point I did not consider. I probably starter that train.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 09:00 PM
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A lot of guys put absolutely no effort into any relationship, (family, friends, or partner even) Guys first need to fall in love and commit for that. If no guys you meet is doing it, maybe you are not picking the right guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:59 PM
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Regardless of our relationship status, in the end, everyone dies or leaves us, or we leave them. I'm suppose living your last 10 years alone is better than, for example, living alone for 50 years and then die.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:58 PM
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We live in quite literally the best time to get yourself busy with things other than annoying ungrateful relatives. Agreed. I think stuff like porn also helps. But is it a solution or just cope? Are we maybe distracting ourselves from something more fundamental and meaningful? IDK
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:43 PM
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I understand your point, but I also think there is an element of FOMO: What if I got married, what if I had kids, what if I had grandkids by this age, what if someone really was there for me until the end, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:42 PM
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Social changes are going deep, tho. Maybe people will be very lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:41 PM
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I literally can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:40 PM
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Well, it is understandable you have that view. I guess we all can find our happiness in our own way, even if some ways are more likely than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:39 PM
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Yeah, also the fact most of the men they fuck will never stay, so their children will grow basically fatherless, to be inc*els.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:36 PM
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There are retirement communities full of parents whose kids never visit. Agreed, but I guess some people find it even lonelier if they never get a partner and family out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 08:35 PM
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Kurt Cobain didn’t die instantly, he lay there with a gaping hole for a face and survived even into the emergency room. To be fair, it is likely you will have enough brain damage to not suffer, but who knows. Almost no life exit is guaranteed to be quick.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 07:45 PM
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Agreed, but also priorities shift and couples grow together at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 07:44 PM
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We make tech and nutrition so advanced to last a few more years for what? To be reminded what we missed and we cannot enjoy? No children, no grandchildren, forgotten by most family, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:57 PM
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Weird you assume stop being single means you would be in a bad relationship. I'm sure most couples are in between... maybe not the best you could get, but a loving person that supports you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:42 PM
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Yeah, women are more likely to stay widows than men are. It makes sense as women are more emotional on that, although men are more emotional in other aspects too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:41 PM
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So it's not as hopeless as incels make it seem to be. I think the deep changes in tech and sexuality in the last decades did affect the generation of men and some women. We just are waiting to see how these new hyper-sexualized dynamic works at the end, but I suspect it will not be pretty. Only consolation is that at least men now have porn and VR with sexual content to at least cope better.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:39 PM
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Older Women are way more likely to use state assisted suicide and antidepressants, tho. Women also attempt suicide more. It just seems men are just final and efficient about it and not as performative as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:38 PM
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A lot of that frustration is sexual frustration, which usually goes away as hormones go down. For example, many women complain men don't relate to them in word when the men find the woman has a partner, because many men just want to find a partner for sex and love. Friendship and company is nice, but men don't appreciate it as much if they already have a few important friends. Meanwhile it seems to me that women care a lot about what other things, how they look, etc. which suggest that they bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:36 PM
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Yeah, that is my argument. If you love your life as an individual, it is likely seeing your body break down and become barely functional is basically losing all you have. If you have family or children or partner, it is most likely that will not matter as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 05:34 PM
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Agreed on this. I would say life is harder for men but it is more distributed by their lives, while on women it is a sudden drop.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 03:17 PM
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Our Friends often get married, make their own families, etc. Roommates can play nice, but that is ephemeral, just as coworkers and acquittances, which is also fine to have, but not even close to a family. I guess if you have a friend in the same situation, you may live with her as if she was family, which may work. But usually there is nothing stronger than having children, or romantic partnership, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 03:08 PM
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Yes, it is sad, but I suspect most of those men did not really give up and eventually will find some kind of love or relationship. That age range is very young. But for the few of them that don't get anything, men or women, it will probably be very lonely and a slowmotion emotional hell of loneliness and despair.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 03:06 PM
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I am a 38M virgin and still have hope for better days. I have no problem with that, just as monks and priests choose that, other men don't choose it but can live with that. Same for women. The problem is that if you wanted a family, it is over. If you wanted to not be alone at older age, it is over. The days of family around the old people are over. I feel we are going to enter hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 03:05 PM
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A lot of widows find widowers as good partners. It was the case of my mom and step-father, both widows. But also often you probably had children in that relationship, which may help to cope living alone from then on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 03:04 PM
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Yeah, I don't get the appeal of eating healthy to live like 90 years... from 60 on, life goes downhill fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 03:02 PM
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Yes. People often have a romantic view of lives of famous people, athletes, etc. but don't do even 10% of what those people do to have a talent or be at least somewhat successful. They cannot even go to gym with some frequency or assist some talent class. Now, I know this is not exactly a good comparison with sex workers, it is a weak comparison. However, Sex workers have to overcome a lot of disgust, take lots of risks, do stuff they feel uncomfortable with people they don't like, etc. It is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:49 PM
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Yeah, as a man I see the same for some top athletes. I would love the money, but working out hours a day? With some injury you lose everything? Not for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:14 PM
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A few points, because your post is full of assumptions. Most men don't pay for sex with frequency. Men are not bitter about sex work. Many men enjoy paid sex or at least content by them. They just don't see those women are marriage material, and that is OK. Women are way harshier on "sex workers" than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:13 PM
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Not really true. Main cause of death in female porn stars is suicide, in a lonely apartment on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:10 PM
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Ewww sticky vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:09 PM
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I would say online, but only because numbers. In real life you are more likely to get a higher quality woman because many women don't like apps. In any case, you will be ripped off by them soon or later. So better focus on the best ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:08 PM
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Those women are usually femcels, not in the sense they cannot get sex (all women can get sex in like 15 minutes), but they cannot really feel intimate with any man, except a man that looks and acts as that of their fantasy novels. In summary, they are just entitled to a fantasy. Maybe that is the point. Maybe they fear or hate reality so much that they rather die alone, which is perfectly valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:07 PM
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but when it’s a female in the age gap relationships it’s almost always that they say they felt used,powerplay..,manipulated,coerced,taken advantage of… I observe this too, but honestly I think younger people date older men for money, value of maturity, stability, etc. Clearly younger women get more from these men, who are grounded and successful, than what they get from them (pussy).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 01:05 PM
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Such a myopic view of men. Most men want relationship. Now, good men are already in relationships or don't commit... women are probably fucking the later.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 12:56 PM
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I think men go more to the other extreme. They can do fine with just a relationship, no need for friends, community or shit like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 12:54 PM
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Women who are actually fun to be around don't have a problem finding and keeping male friends. This. Those are also the woman that keep the best memories to all people around.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 07:04 PM
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The best anyone can do is be honest about what you're seeking in a relationship (whether it's a romantic, sexual, or platonic one) and be honest about what you're willing to put in to said relationship 100%
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 07:01 PM
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I think it’s somewhat understandable - but I also understand a man’s perspective on this too. That is good to be empathic, and understand each gender better. But yes, maybe women do have a point that friend ghosting is too shitty. Personally I would probably let the friendship die off naturally, not kill it like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 07:00 PM
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If we are honest, 99% of humanity does not mean anything to anyone personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 06:58 PM
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Well, I use the term because it seems so many women feel entitled to male friendship just as men who feel entitled to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 06:57 PM
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I was like, nah I'm good. I don't have female friends. She freaked out, calling it sexist but then still tried her hardest to convince me that I should have female friends. Yeah, it is odd. So they prefer a horny guy around them that pretends to be their friend? So odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 06:57 PM
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They may not even be sexually attracted to you but they still want some form of male attention. I don’t know why. I observed this in my lesbian female neighbors, one of them is like that. I swear, it seems she wants to make her partner jealous or something. Or maybe it is an effect similar to that of gay men wanting to be friends with women? that makes more sense, but I have no idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 06:36 PM
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I guess that girls that do give something reciprocal in that pre-friendship simply stay as friends for many guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 05:04 PM
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Just be friends with woman your not attracted to, i am. That reduces the chance of this bullshit to zero. Agreed, if they want friendship with women in the first place. Maybe that is why many male groups have tomboys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:22 PM
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If your only intention was to feign friendliness to get in their pants, then that's disingenuous imo. Agreed, but honestly it is hard to know. Sometimes the guy wants friendship but it develops into feelings, and keeping friendship may hurt. Or maybe they believe you first have to be a friend to ask a woman out as they believe women prefer that to just asking them out directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:18 PM
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It's entitlement to be upset that someone who you thought liked you as a person only saw you as something to fuck? Why do women often assume that sex is dehumanizing? It is hard to think in something more human than sexual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:16 PM
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You are assuming a lot of things: You are assuming men know exactly what they want from the start, but that may change by time. Plenty of environment does not allow men to be openly flirting, so they have to start with friendship. Way more women prefer to date men who they first know as friend, rather than just men they knew that night on a party. An actual psychopath would probably rather still play the game, disregarding her disinterest and pretending friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:16 PM
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The problem is that romantic interest and friendship often start in the same way. He assumed that interaction would become romantic, she assumed it would be friendship. As they find out the intentions were different, they drift away and that is perfectly fine. Women do not want a man that quickly says "I want to fuck you", except for a few exceptions of very hot men or very horny women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:13 PM
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Glad you see it. It also makes no sense to stay friend with someone who you have sexual desires for but they don't for you. It is creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:07 PM
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Because it implies the guy only sees the woman as a possible chance at sex and not as a person? We all treat most people with some amicable indifference regardless of gender. Some people want friendship from you, others want sex or relationship. It is not fair for the side that wants dating to just get friendship... imagine how that person feels, as they see you dating other people and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:04 PM
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I'm not saying men don't enjoy friendship, just saying that maybe that is what some men are not looking for. Also it is not very comfortable to be a friend with someone you have sexual interests on. In terms of need, there's stats out there about the health ramifications of loneliness, and studies about how under-socialized people have less developed brains, so you can define need however you want but I'd argue there's a need there. Just because men don't necessarily want to be friends with thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:55 PM
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We can, but the drive is still there. It is like hunger... you can control not eating everything, but the desire to eat is still there. Women often, somehow, can turn off this sexual drive. Imagine turning off the hunger!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:46 PM
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I'm sorry you think having friends is humiliating and dehumanizing though It is often an awfully one-sided friendship, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:44 PM
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Ooh no, women want friends who are men. The horror!! For that to happen, men also must want to be friends with her. It happens that dating, and friendship start with the same dynamics, and sometimes a guy does not want to be a friend, but a partner. If he does not get what he wants, he drops it. No one gets delusional, no one gets fake friendships, no one get to live lies. He gets sad she is taken, she gets sad he was not the friend she imagined him to be. Deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:42 PM
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I suspect they do want the guy to stay with the romantic feelings, but keep them to themselves. So sad so many bros fall for that, they just become second options and orbiters and emotional tampons when the criminal they date cheats on her.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:40 PM
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That is how seduction works, it is ambiguity and mystery and speculation. It starts as any other relationship, such as friendship. Most women prefer that, rather than a man just asking them to be a date out of the blue. If the guy is rejected sexually, why keep the game going?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:38 PM
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Maybe some men just have enough friends and bros, and now they are looking for dating and relationship. Not that hard to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:35 PM
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Technically, those men who stop giving so much attention to those women just treat them as dudes: equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:34 PM
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Me too, but that does not mean it shall be an actual friendship. People may de-escalate a relationship if it is not headed to what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:33 PM
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Why do you think there are dudes in here bitching day in and day out about how they never get attention from women? Just pointing out women often complain when they stop getting attention from men when men find out they are not sexual options.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:32 PM
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You actually have a good point. It is hard for them to understand male drive, just as it is hard for men to understand how most women think. Sadly, I don't think that will change anytime soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:29 PM
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The idea that men need some motivation to commit was also highlighted with ancient institutions such as dowry. In the past it made more sense as a lot of men died at war, so there was a scarcity of men and they needed a motivation. Today you can argue there is an excess of men, but still a scarcity of desirable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:25 PM
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only idiots listen to it. the nice guys
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:53 PM
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The claim comes from women, not men. A few men treat them as cum dumpsters and then they claim ALL men are like that just to avoid consequences of their own choices of men. A few points. Women claim men don't commit and that seems to be the main complain they have about men. Top men are the only men visible for women, so they generalize that "lack of commitment" to all men. Scarcity. It seems women value commitment more than men. Women find engagement, marriage, etc. way more important than how …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:47 PM
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Who’s to decide what realistic is? Just men? That’s rather convenient Men have to be realistic, they get instant consequences if they are not. Women can be delusional for years to find out they are now old and unlovable because they acted and lived as whores, and no one wants commitment and family with a whore. So women do suffer similar consequence, but they find out years later.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:28 PM
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No one is denying women to have standards. Just stop lying to your male children. They have to find this in reality and get fucked. 80% of your male children will likely be incels, that is the environment you are promoting by pushing lies that men can work themselves to love... you are lying. Don't expect men to do free stuff for you just for existing. They want sex, not to be your orbiter. Get a boyfriend or husband if you want free male labor. Stop making it life harder for men in companies an…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:27 PM
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Also, you have a strange logic, because if a guy barely leaves home, there isn't much chance for him to meet girls Agreed 100%, but that phenomenon also makes women have a twisted view of what "average" is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:06 PM
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Are you seriously suggestion men will kill themselves if they can’t access pornography? Yes, because that is the only thing some of them have and yet women shame and want to take even that from them. This is especially true for autistic men. Don't get me wrong, we all would probably kill ourselves with lots of modern comforts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:46 PM
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They are if it is their brother or sons... probably, they don't really care, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:45 PM
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Women would actually have to put real, actual effort to just exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:41 PM
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A fat guy that barely leaves home. He has a good faith, but he is overweight and dresses terribly.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:41 PM
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it’s not just loyalty women want for relationships, it’s loyalty and genetics They would never admit it, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:40 PM
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women don't want men without options. Exactly, they want a guy their female friends envy. Just as they use fashion clothes and makeup, to cause envy. Men are accessories for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:38 PM
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These two data sets indicate that women are far less loyal than men. They are also increasingly less useful if they are child free and only offer sex. I don't want a roommate, I want a lover.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:36 PM
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I'm sure at least half of them hate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:33 PM
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Why is commitment so important in the first place? Internet killed it, it is just a facade.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:31 PM
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Women feel way more entitled to better looking men than men to better looking women, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:30 PM
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Edit: The people I want to date are mostly average or even below men. It is most likely below average men are invisible to you. You are adjusting to guys above that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:28 PM
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Women are ableist, classist and very racist on dating. They always have been. They are compensating that by joining activist groups and voting for left wing parties, but on their personal lives their choices are as discriminatory and evil as what they claim to condemn.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:26 PM
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Women live in tutorial mode for dating, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:24 PM
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Because a lot of women's judgement on male looks are not improvable in men. E.g. you cannot change your height. Also, not all men are currently trying to attract women. It get tiresome and boring fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:22 PM
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He just does not have time for the bullshit, so he pays for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 01:19 PM
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Makeup and shit like that makes me think women are the product and the sellers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 07:00 PM
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Yeah, the hypocrisy of reddit. If she wants to abort at any stage it is fine, but if the guy is not ready to be a father then he has to "suck it up" even if he was tricked into it. Very fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:44 PM
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That's on women. Not our problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:42 PM
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I just hope when this generation gets old it NEVERS forgive women for this nor marry them if they get the chance of geriatric marriage. Don't give them even a penny.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:42 PM
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So many redditors got vasectomies as a meme and yet they never will have sex anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:40 PM
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Only if they marry women about the same age. People such as Elon and Trump had his last child way after that arbitrary limit. Not even female celebrities have children that age as male their age, though. Science is not that advanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:38 PM
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This is a good point. If most single men get sex like once or twice a month at best, and at worse never or maybe once a year, what is the point of taking birth control? Better use a condom. Women almost always use them because, although they deny it, they have (or at least have more chance to have) more sex than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/23 06:36 PM
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