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Sorry I stopped using Reddit. Never said I got approached multiple times a day. But you’re just determined to be a dick so no more conversation is necessary. Good luck in life.
/r/ExRedPill06/12/22 12:14 AM
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Thank you! I’m really glad it helped challenge your thought structure. That is the best outcome you can achieve for a conversation, like this, I think, because nobody changes their beliefs in a dime. If you could, they wouldn’t be things you believe in. The idea is to challenge those beliefs and think critically. The more you question whether what you believe really is true and/or logical, the more you realize just how faulty your foundation is. I’m not saying that for you - I’m saying that for …
/r/ExRedPill03/09/22 08:57 PM
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Two points to consider: - Objective value is not unique. What is not unique is replaceable. - We date who we relate to, for better or for worse. TRP hooks men in with self-improvement, but that doesn’t last long, because the message it sells is self-deprecating. The message is that only objective qualities have value - which sucks - because if that we’re true, then yes, everyone is replaceable. What makes you any different from the next man with muscles and money? Nothing. Luckily, that isn’t tr…
/r/ExRedPill28/08/22 07:48 AM
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Well, thank you! What a compliment! I really appreciate that.
/r/ExRedPill24/08/22 01:38 AM
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I honestly think this is very good advice, because from what I can see, it explains the difference between why there are so many non-single women, and why so many men cannot find dates. It’s less of a question of “standards” and more of a question of qualifications. If you disqualify someone based on appearance immediately, then you miss what makes them a person with high quality character. In particular - people go for people who value what they value. If you don’t value your appearance or heal…
/r/ExRedPill14/08/22 01:25 AM
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Well it’s not just how loud they are. Consider - a decent, respectable man probably approaches a woman he finds attractive once a month or so. These other men of psychopathic mannerisms aim to approach more than 20 women a week - sometimes more than 20 women a day. They view women as less worthy than cattle - because they don’t hate cattle at the very least. They’re driven to humiliate, manipulate, use, and abandon these women and then brag about it to their friends….but they’re not going to tel…
/r/ExRedPill14/08/22 12:15 AM
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Women need to hear from more men who disagree with red pill. It’s so hard for women to appreciate where the balance is, there, in male ideology, because we are surrounded by very loud jackasses who are spouting red pill, the game, and female hate. I can’t say that I have first-hand experience with the black woman’s struggle, but I have first-hand experience with the woman’s struggle, and it sucks. You don’t know who to trust anymore. You end up paranoid that all men think like this. The good thi…
/r/ExRedPill13/08/22 09:31 PM
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If you want to become monk-like you have to study the monk life :) What you’re looking for is “enlightenment”. People who are striving to reach enlightenment enjoy their solitude and don’t suffer from loneliness or the desire to have more than they do. Get started on mindfulness and work your way up to meditation. I recommend the book “You Are Here” by Thich Nhat Hanh. It will help you get started immediately with useful, practical tricks you can use anywhere, any time. Next, you may want to stu…
/r/ExRedPill03/08/22 06:28 PM
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Hey there again! You’re pretty good about dealing with it when people try to humiliate you. That’s one of the things I like about you. I hope you take healthy breaks from time to time though, because this sub can get toxic. The thing about being secure in yourself is that you will find other people who share your values attractive, and they’re a small portion of the population. The people you find attractive will be a narrower scope, not because insecurity is the cause of attraction, but because…
/r/ExRedPill03/08/22 04:27 PM
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Then you don’t love a good debate. 😉
/r/ExRedPill30/07/22 02:51 PM
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It’s fun to see a RP guy here responding to comments, although I’m sure you’ll be ripped to shreds, but you probably know that. It’s pretty bold of you to offer an opinion on a sub so adverse to your ideology.
/r/ExRedPill30/07/22 02:33 PM
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Agreed. Although, I think the issue is influenced more heavily by the population boom than the female work force. I say that because the amount of jobs we have available substantially increased in a short period of time, and we do not have a shortage of jobs so much as we now have a shortage of educated people qualified to fill them. The female saturation of the job market affected primarily less educated, non-physical jobs. I don’t think women are highly represents in factory work, manual labor…
/r/ExRedPill28/07/22 12:59 PM
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I don’t know. I don’t use that feature & haven’t fiddled with it/tested it.
/r/ExRedPill18/07/22 10:36 PM
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This sounds like the algorithm telling you what to watch. It does it to me too. Even if you don’t seek out that content, it correlates it with other interests. Also, I’m confident that if you have the YouTube app on your iPhone, it uses the microphone to eavesdrop on conversations you have. It seems to do the same with WhatsApp. The best thing to do is to not use recommendations at all. Tap your library as soon as the screen loads and then search for the things you want. For bonus points, you ca…
/r/ExRedPill17/07/22 05:05 AM
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This guy is the smartest person I’ve encountered on Reddit and his advice is spot on. Definitely trust him - he will give you great counsel, and not conventional wisdom like almost everyone else will do. I was sexually abused as a child and didn’t remember until I was almost 30 years old. This idea of “repressed memories” is very much a real thing, and two surveys suggest to us that a fifth of the female population remembers having been raped, molested, or abused. The first survey was a little m…
/r/ExRedPill05/07/22 02:59 PM
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Thanks V! In most regards I’m a lot “better”. I didn’t even realize this was a thing until my dog died and I started to see there’s a problem with the way I process my own emotions. It’s amazing how blind I was to it before. Now that I realize how deeply those emotions can affect the psyche, I realize how much they had been sabotaging me without my knowing it. It’s a lot easier for me to process emotions by listening to other people discuss theirs, and trying to be helpful. My own are very confu…
/r/ExRedPill30/06/22 11:12 AM
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I can’t imagine having grown up that way. That is definitely extreme, I’m sorry your had to suffer through that. My home life never exactly embraced emotions…nor did the society I grew up in. I’ve heard this idea that women are more free to talk about the feelings, and I definitely think the female sex isn’t humiliated like the male sex is in that regard…but I never felt like I could discuss my feelings. In fact, later in life, I started asking other women about this and once I got passed their …
/r/ExRedPill30/06/22 11:06 AM
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Dang that is exactly how I felt after my second boyfriend, who I’ve unprofessionally diagnosed as a narcissist. I’m not sure about the first guy, tbh. If he was a narcissist, he was a covert narcissist. After the second boyfriend, I just felt broken and lifeless. I couldn’t cry anymore. It’s still hard to do, but I’m working through it with a friend.
/r/ExRedPill30/06/22 10:58 AM
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What I’m hearing from this post is that you don’t understand the nuances behind what people say and why they act the way they act, so, in the absence of literal information, you assume the worst - like so many of us will. Your feelings are not your fault, and they don’t make you dysfunctional, but they aren’t telling you the truth. You’re so convinced, however, that your assumptions about people are true, that it is impossible for you to consider any perspective which doesn’t agree with you. For…
/r/ExRedPill30/06/22 10:55 AM
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It isn’t “hard”. You’re assuming that emotions are in play when people have real arguments and they’re not bothering to share them with you.
/r/ExRedPill29/06/22 06:54 PM
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You cannot use media as a way of measuring reality. It literally does not work that way - I promise you. If you want, PM me and I’ll explain to you how I use media as a way to realistically interpret the sexes. It isn’t something you can use to observe what happens in the real world. For that, you’re far better off with studies. (though these are limited) I think you’re coming simply from the stance of assuming I’m demonizing TRP for no reason, which means it’s useless for us to continue this co…
/r/ExRedPill29/06/22 06:53 PM
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That’s true. People who put effort into their looks are usually going to be more attractive. Weight-based attraction has far more to do with social trends, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a real thing and you can just think differently. You’re a product of the environment you grew up in. I disagree about the health thing. I actually find that younger people tend to be a lot less healthy and it shows. They like to eat junk food and do things with their body and hair that cause adverse side effects…
/r/ExRedPill29/06/22 06:50 PM
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I didn’t say that. OP said men on average would rather have sex with a 15 year old girl than a 35 year old woman, if memory serves. My point was that 15 year old girls are not physically mature, and in reality, women find physically mature women more attractive than gangly teens. If anything, your response is more indicative of where your mind is at, since you seem to have perceived my point to be that younger people are not more attractive than older people, despite the fact that I said that re…
/r/ExRedPill29/06/22 12:48 AM
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These are great responses! I don’t have time to reply yet but I loved everything you had to say. Want to save my response for later when I have more time. Hopefully I remember - thanks for the response!
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 11:29 PM
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I used to think they believed this stuff but I’ve since learned otherwise. These people are motivated by the desire to understand what is real and true. They’re motivated by anger and bitterness, and in most cases, it’s because they feel rejected. The reason they say these things is that they want to cause as much pain and humiliation to women as they feel as men. It reminds me of that song “Stranger”, with the line “women seem wicked when you’re unwanted”. Many of these people are the kinds of …
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 11:22 PM
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I appreciate a thought out response, but your views are motivated by the media, not reality. For one thing, most women don’t grow into their bodies until they are older. Check out “Stacy’s Mom”. This is a decent reflection of the difference between a 15 year old girl and a 35 year old woman. On a similar note, though, while that songs visuals are more reflective of genuine differences in growth - most media is very much not reflective of the way the real world actually works. Most men who think …
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 11:13 PM
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You did?! And you work in health care? I am going to message you, just in case you have the time for a chat. It sounds like you might have taken a similar trajectory as to what I’m hoping for! Mindset is massive. I think physiology cannot be ignored in terms of a person’s capacity to improve, but when the basic resources are there, the paradigm shift is usually the final hurdle…I think. At least, this is what I’ve gathered so far from the stories I’ve heard. Edit: Turns out, I can’t DM you. My R…
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 04:46 AM
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Aww thank you! What a nice response! I happen to know this commenter as he’s been on this sub for a while. He’s a good person putting a lot of work into being a better person, and he’s grown a lot in a short period of time because he keeps making the effort to get exposure and process new perspectives. So it’s maybe not as impressive as you think. I already know he’s a reasonable guy who will read what I say and truly consider it. I definitely can get very non-diplomatic with other people…😅
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 04:33 AM
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Oh good, I’m glad that worked for you! Analogies make life so much easier. Yes, there are a lot of people who really benefit from birth control for non-contraceptive issues. I met a girl once who had terrible acne and it was incredibly painful. She was prescribed birth control and it made all the difference - it changed her life. Not a lot of people will understand that because they haven’t been there or felt what it feels like to have severe acne. It can be a really traumatic thing to live with…
/r/ExRedPill28/06/22 04:23 AM
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Don’t worry too much. We’re heading for a bright future. I’m going to be gaslighted into oblivion on this platform if I try to explain that though, so I won’t. I think you’re really making an effort to empathize with the way people feel from various points of view, here, so good on you! That’s a change in your perspective from the way you were thinking when I first saw you posting here. I think you’ve grown a lot. I know it hasn’t been easy - especially with everyone downvoting your comments. Ch…
/r/ExRedPill27/06/22 08:48 PM
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I disagree. People who wanted short term gratification will still seek to get it. What I think this will do, as OP invariably pointed out, is result in even more sexless frustrated men, because women do have quite a bit more to lose than men in this situation and they won’t trust men to take the proper precautions, or know how to. With, essentially, the rest of your future on the line (if not your life, your body, your freedom, and your rights), women are far less likely to want to date men. I c…
/r/ExRedPill27/06/22 08:38 PM
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This is one of those situations where it would be good to step away from the computer and come back later. You think they’re talking down to you, but in reality, they’re upset that you aren’t considering the situation from both perspectives. Women have so much to lose in this situation, and it is true that child birth could cost you your life in various ways. Either literally, or in the way that you won’t be able to live a normal life afterwards. This would be similar to saying that wives suffer…
/r/ExRedPill27/06/22 08:31 PM
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These are all fantastic points! I agree
/r/ExRedPill27/06/22 05:53 PM
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That’s worked really well for me too! However, that wasn’t what I needed when I was just getting out of my abusive relationship. What worked well for me at that time was adopting a cat. Sounds crazy - but just having one thing that loved me, wanted me, and needed me made me feel valuable. Not sure if that’s gender related though. Later on, after I had started to develop some sense of hope, I was able to use that to start to challenge myself with things like cold exposure. That gave me a lot more…
/r/ExRedPill27/06/22 11:34 AM
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Yeah, it’s really hard to meet people if you don’t talk to them!
/r/ExRedPill27/06/22 11:27 AM
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I’m so glad you said something because I bet OP hadn’t even thought about that!
/r/ExRedPill25/06/22 10:46 PM
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I’m so impressed by you, wow. Well done. That had to be difficult. Retrospectively, do you think you would have achieved what you did with the mindset you now have if you hadn’t had to go through what you went to go through to get there? If nothing else, your past gives you the ability to truly empathize with others who are living through the nightmare first-hand. So I have a tendency to think there is real meaning in suffering. I think it’s something we’re meant to struggle with so that we can …
/r/ExRedPill25/06/22 10:45 PM
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Exactly! OP’s life isn’t even half over yet. I 100% agree with this comment!
/r/ExRedPill25/06/22 10:39 PM
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“They just don’t have any social skills” 🤣 I never thought I would hear a guy say that about women, but in a lot of ways you’re spot on! We definitely don’t have the same social skills that guys do, as a generalistic observation, and we could use them! And yeah…it was weird to me when I found out guys often seem to think women hate them. Most women are pretty into guys, I think. Most women love them! It’s just that there’s a lot of red tape between the sexes preventing us from having the privile…
/r/ExRedPill25/06/22 10:38 PM
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We always agree on everything, dang! That was my advice too. When able - get the job first. The job always comes first. Most people don’t agree with me on that! We meet again, my intellectual brother! Always love seeing you here, by the way, watching out for our guys who are suffering right now. You give such fantastic advice, and you are constantly stepping up to the plate on this subreddit. You really seem to understand the problems - I know you’re not just repeating canned advice, and that ca…
/r/ExRedPill25/06/22 10:32 PM
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part 3/3 of my comment On a practical note, about your problems… Step 1: Get a job. This is a prerequisite to anything else. Number 1 priority - fixate on it - nothing else matters. If you can’t get a job, volunteer, or at the very least, dedicate a lot of time to a hobby. Step 2: Use your money to control your appearance, environment, nutrition, and activities. Start moving towards a healthier lifestyle along the lines of what you value and the person you wish to be. If you can manage it, start…
/r/ExRedPill25/06/22 10:20 PM
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part 2/3 of my comment The best time to process your problems is during the day, when there is sunlight out. There is a rythmn your body follows for hormone production, and at night, the hormones you need to control negativity in your limbic system are greatly depleted because this “physical depression” helps shut the body down for sleep. This is why caffeine can be a mood booster, as well as chocolate. This is also why some people crave chocolate when they’re sad, and why so many people cry the…
/r/ExRedPill25/06/22 10:19 PM
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part 1/3 of my comment I have very long comment for you - I’m sorry. But so many people suffer like you are suffering now. I’ve spoken to a lot of them, and I wanted to post what I have to say now publicly so that anyone else who is suffering in silence can find this when they find your comment. I hope you don’t mind. There is absolutely hope, but contrary to what other people will tell you, the first step is not to seek therapy. The first step, right in this moment, is to check in with your bod…
/r/ExRedPill25/06/22 10:17 PM
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I deleted my previous comments. It’s not something I usually do, but I don’t want to argue on ex red pill and we’re getting off the subject of the subreddit. So I PMed you instead.
/r/ExRedPill22/06/22 01:55 PM
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I appreciate the time and care you took to write your responses, and I don’t want to upset you, so I’m just not going to respond to this. It’s the best I can do.
/r/ExRedPill22/06/22 04:22 AM
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Wholeheartedly agree!
/r/ExRedPill19/06/22 05:11 AM
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I can see where what I said sounds like a double-edged sword to you, and I can absolutely see why you would be frustrated by that. Anyone would be. The situation of being a genuine friend to people and finding love through that, and what I’m talking about, is totally different…and to be honest, you can always want romance from the start, and still make that romance develop by being someone’s friend, first. But you can’t paint all of these “friendships” with the same brush. If you want to know wh…
/r/ExRedPill19/06/22 04:11 AM
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Okay, to be honest, this is getting a little too rated R for a public conversation, in my opinion. You’re still wrong, but I don’t want to talk about it here. You can PM me if you want.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/22 03:47 AM
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That’s been what I’ve found as well. When you remember that, the sexist narratives of how shallow and selfish men and women are do kind of tend to fall apart, don’t they? That’s why it’s so important that we talk to each other openly and give our perspectives on our feelings and perception wherein we think it differs from the opposite sex. I used to be sexist, but I went online and started looking for guys who would honestly talk about their experiences in their own words, and I found there was …
/r/ExRedPill19/06/22 03:23 AM
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The problem with men like that is that they were never actually friends. I had a “friend” like that. It made me pretty cynical in the end. To answer you question though - none - because I don’t keep friends as a general rule of thumb, and the few I have don’t live near me.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/22 02:02 AM
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Here is an article discussing the study https://www.bbc.com/news/health-25198063.amp But you can see this for yourself as well when you observe the different cognitive functions men and women use most often and most comfortably in their gender roles. Men tend towards physical actions and women towards social actions. We know that the brain is highly plastic and adapts to the way that you use it, which is why, for example, you can be very poor at math in fourth grade and two years later, excel at…
/r/ExRedPill19/06/22 02:00 AM
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That’s just not how it works. That I can say with decent confidence, because if you research the way females and males lead up to sex-driven emotions, women take much, much longer to get there than men. I’m not saying there are no women out there who can get frisky off of objective information with no sensual input, but scientifically, they would be the outliers. (Disclaimer: this doesn’t mean I’m going to cite sources, for all of those source mongering redditors out there 😅…a person can literal…
/r/ExRedPill19/06/22 01:48 AM
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Is this even a real account..? 😂
/r/ExRedPill19/06/22 01:42 AM
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I think that’s the point - OP said they would understand if the person was unhappy, right? I think the lie that is sometimes told here is that women will just leave a relationship they’re happy in because some other guy has better stuff. I think you can see, like I can - that just doesn’t make sense. That’s fear talking.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/22 01:39 AM
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Great answer! I think the truth is more self-evident than people realize though, to be honest. I don’t think you have to rely on anecdotes. There is a multi-billion dollar industry dedicated to hacking the psychology of men and women and producing movies, books, and other media that speaks to their emotions, dreams, or which they relate to. If you pay attention to books/movies that are majorly marketed towards women and saw a great deal of success, and if you study the lyrics from songs written …
/r/ExRedPill19/06/22 01:38 AM
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I think “might even get wet” is very much amen projecting on women. I mean…I could be wrong, but I have literally never gotten wet by seeing a guy. It’s just not a thing.
/r/ExRedPill19/06/22 01:32 AM
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I’ve seen this portrayed in the media, but I haven’t seen it in person with a healthy relationship. What I have seen is women leaving because they never got over their ex, or women leaving because they’ve been faking being happy in a relationship for song long the guy thinks everything is fine, but nothing is fine. It makes more sense if you actually try to understand what women aren’t looking for in a relationship. For most women, it’s about building a connection with someone in a special way. …
/r/ExRedPill19/06/22 01:30 AM
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Hi :)
/r/ExRedPill18/06/22 06:13 AM
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Well said! You might be the first self-proclaimed feminist I’ve met that I actually like, and I think we’re very similar in a lot of ways. In college, I would have been considered a feminist, but like you, I never wanted men to pay the price of evolving the social, cultural understanding of the female gender. I’m studying neuroscience at the moment! Actually, to be more specific, I’m currently working on understanding physics and chemistry, but they are all related. I’m not going to college for …
/r/ExRedPill18/06/22 06:12 AM
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Men don’t need women to be capable, confident, and fulfilled. They can take care of themselves, just like women can.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/22 06:07 AM
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I have found OPT, based on MBTI to be a good model for understanding the scope of those kinds of exceptions. The OPT model is a study in progress done by a husband and wife team, who have a have degree of accuracy with a large number of double-blind studies testing subjects for one out of 512 personality types. My personal, unprofessional opinion is that their model is plausible from a neurological standpoint. Anyways, there is a distribution of these personality types that was studied initially…
/r/ExRedPill18/06/22 06:00 AM
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You can Google male & female brain scans if you’re interested
/r/ExRedPill18/06/22 05:48 AM
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I think I read into your post too much. Sorry for being jaded about it! When I look at it from another perspective I can better appreciate what you were trying to say, I think, and in that way, what you’re saying is beautiful.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/22 05:45 AM
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I wouldn’t be judging you at all because I don’t know anything about you. Not knowing you is the only thing I know, there’s no other information for me to go off of. Honestly, to me, it would feel exactly the same if another woman asked me out, if she were a stranger…and I’m straight. That is the extent to which going on a date with a random stranger was never an option for me. Now, if I talked to the person for a while at a social gathering and we shared interests, and I got a feel for their pe…
/r/ExRedPill18/06/22 05:42 AM
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I’m sorry you interpreted what I wrote that way, because that isn’t how I feel. I never judged my sister for liking skimpy clothes - they look adorable on her. When I wrote what I wrote… “If I had the choice, my personal fashion would be a lot more reserved because I don’t like attention or socializing with strangers. Everyone’s personal style is difference - most don’t have the opportunity to buy clothes to express it. “ I was trying to make it clear that, while we all have different styles we’…
/r/ExRedPill18/06/22 05:27 AM
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At least you seem to understand what I was trying to get at. 😅 This was apparently an incredibly unpopular post.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/22 05:16 AM
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It means they don’t count. In the literal sense, someone is offering to take me on a date. What would you do if someone walked up to you and offered to take you to Europe? I think the average person wouldn’t feel comfortable going to Europe with a complete stranger. They may say later they never had the chance to go to Europe, when, literally, they did, but realistically, they did not.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/22 05:15 AM
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Well, I never really “counted” them until someone brought this to my attention, and it was only in more recent years that I realized that I don’t count random people walking up to me. That would be like a stranger walking up to you offering to give you a free car. It’s not a “real” offer - because who the hell is going to take a “free car” from a total stranger? Lol. That’s just my way of thinking.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/22 05:12 AM
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That’s how I feel too! I can’t tell if someone’s attractive if I don’t know anything about them. I need to know that I would enjoy their company, and for that, I need similar interests and conversations. I honestly just don’t really feel anything prior to that. I think part of it is because I know it’s so unlikely that the person I’m talking to will be someone I can relate to on that level.
/r/ExRedPill18/06/22 05:10 AM
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(1) Thinking men can interpret why women do what they do without the women explaining it to them. (2) Speaking to women they like with an end-goal in mind…everyone can tell. (3) Dehumanizing women. It makes those men seem like predators, at worst, and jerks at best. (4) Edit: Also, spending all their time chasing tail and reading red pill propaganda. The biggest red flag for me has been asking men what they supposedly do in their free time/for fun, and then simply putting that together and seein…
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 02:45 AM
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Very nice 👏 We share an aversion to brainwashing, I see.
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 02:38 AM
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This human appears to have glitched. It’s a verbal 404. Question not found.
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 02:34 AM
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Possibly because the genders are often extremely exaggerated in animes. Look at Dragon Ball Z. Comparatively non-sexualized females and extremely overly sexualized men. The shows you’re watching are trying to make you feel emotions by showing you ideals that appeal to your fantasies. The industry thinks overly sexualized women are what their audience fantasizes about.
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 02:33 AM
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Well said!! 👏 👏 👏
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 02:30 AM
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This, exactly! I think some of the miscommunication, here, is that sometimes guys ask about what “works”, not “how can I improve”. If you’re going to be honest about answering what “works”, you have to admit that being more social and better with people invariably leads to more opportunities. That’s facts. It doesn’t mean you HAVE to be charismatic to find a partner, and furthermore, if it’s not who you are, it’s far better to be yourself and find the person who fits you than to fake yourself an…
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 02:06 AM
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Not to be critical, but I think you meant narcissism, not charisma.
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 02:00 AM
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It’s not a “problem”, it’s a point, and it’s being given as feedback. I also think that, given the fact that OP was suffering enough to come to a community to ask for support, it’s to their credit that they were able to communicate that feedback in such a level-headed way. I see nothing here to suggest that OP was upset at being told things by people that he doesn’t agree with, so much as he’s jaded to the repetitive nature of the advice. I can’t blame them. I get pretty apathetic when every tim…
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 01:58 AM
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Media does not cause people to murder other people. However, denying people the right to speak their mind can. A lot of those mass shooters felt they were socially oppressed. I have absolutely no pity for them. Zilch. At the same time, you can’t really argue that more social oppression is going to make crazy people less nuts. I don’t follow the same line of thinking that so many people seem to, these days, in believing that humans are mindless morons whose views are easily swayed by accidentally…
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 01:46 AM
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I think it’s not mystifying if you stop to realize that they’re not really “allowed” to speak. When you oppress someone in that fashion, you make them feel even more bitter, resentful, and victimized when the way they’re being treated is unfair. If you listen to people who recovered from being in radical, evil organizations like the KKK, gangs, neo-nazis, antifa, KAM, etc., they will all tell you the same story - they felt as though they had no freedom to express their feelings, beliefs, or shar…
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 01:38 AM
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Well, dang. Here I go again with the words. In thinking about your stance, it doesn’t escape my attention that this is kind of the way we used to do things. Not with the diversity, of course, but with taboo subjects. I’ve talked to my grandma at length about the way media was in her day, and it seems to me that by avoiding the uncouth behaviors of reality, society in general was happier for it. So, maybe my beliefs aren’t what is best for society. I could easily be wrong. I’ll have to spend some…
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 01:27 AM
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I really respect that you took the time to read my comment even though you disagree, and I can completely see where you’re coming from, too. I think we still disagree on some points, but not all points, but I also think its great that it looks like you and I can probably do that and not be triggered by each other’s beliefs. Maybe we share a similar value in that regard - I value discussing rather than debating, or having conversations that aren’t inspired by the need to feel like you’ve proven y…
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 01:19 AM
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Yup 😂 can’t leave that part out!
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 12:48 AM
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That’s a fair point, I can see what you’re saying here, and you’re not unreasonable. The problem is that we also skewed our beliefs on dominance when it comes to most of these other mammals too. The wildlife documentaries you watch aren’t real wild animals in real situations - they’re fictional recreations of what people assumed animals are like. Most mammals have “dominance” behaviors that change during mating season, which is actually a very small percentage of their lives and behaviors. Most …
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 12:37 AM
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This is such a difficult problem to work out. See, one of the main reasons women say this is because this behavior is “at risk” for leading to people becoming sexist, entitled, and unable to accept their own faults. Self-pity is not socially or emotionally mature, and can be devastating in terms of how destructive it is. Women have little sympathy for self-pity amongst themselves, as well, but I think they have even less patience with men because men (they believe) so rarely process their emotio…
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 12:19 AM
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That’s social grooming, not natural behavior. It’s the same reason why some women in some countries find birthright to be very attractive while women in other countries view it as obnoxious entitlement. Societies tell people what to think and why, and those men are believing what their peers told them they should believe in order to be like a man. Because they want men to respect them, they will have to follow suit, or they will be bullied and told that they don’t measure up as men…not just by o…
/r/ExRedPill17/06/22 12:01 AM
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I think Forrest Gump is more like a great supporting media as to why red pill doesn’t work 😂… Forrest is hardworking, honest, kind, and successful, and ends up with Jenny because he doesn’t have the cognitive capacity to relate to the opposite sex, so he doesn’t understand what makes the difference between a healthy person with good values and someone who is self-destructive and psychologically traumatized. That is how TRP teaches men to think when it teaches them to value the worth of a woman b…
/r/ExRedPill16/06/22 11:54 PM
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I kind of resent this idea that we should control public opinion by manipulating the way we present our fiction. Fiction is fiction, and I don’t think I’ve really met a lot of women who are fanciful or foolish enough not to be able to tell the difference between idle fantasies and dreams, and what the real world is like. There’s plenty of women who thought Captain Jack Sparrow was handsome - in Pirates of the Carribean. Not in a library when he randomly walks up to you and asks for your number. …
/r/ExRedPill16/06/22 11:50 PM
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My opinion - the question you’re asking is the wrong one. You’ll never get a real answer that way. Here is the answer you would probably get… No. But that isn’t the whole story because you’re not asking the right questions. This is why men so often get what they think are “misleading” answers from women. The answers aren’t inaccurate, but they’re an average. On average, most arrogant men are obnoxious and unwelcome. That being said, there’s reasons for that. You’re not likely to hear them, thoug…
/r/ExRedPill16/06/22 11:24 PM
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I sort of relate to that tbh. The guys I dated were never really keen to enjoy my interests with me or show much affection towards me. But I’m also very interested and the stuff I like doesn’t require participation.
/r/ExRedPill13/06/22 03:26 AM
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Damn. You are impressive. So many people don’t have the courage to look at realities that make them feel like they screwed up. I get the feeling you’re not easily defeated, and you do value logic. In my opinion - we all suffer through a superficial phase. You’re testing the waters to see what’s real and what’s not. These predators hijacked you when you were a happy-go-lucky kid, and both open-minded enough to consider their viewpoints, while also lacking the knowledge and experience to see them …
/r/ExRedPill13/06/22 03:25 AM
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It’s anti-woman content, not anti-man content. Like you, I’m very invested in empathizing…but AG makes it tough. Lol. Maybe you’re a more compassionate person than I am! Aside from the absolutely horrendous ways he tries to teach men to dehumanize, manipulate, and degrade women, he also then sells them dating advice and when it doesn’t work for them, tells them they’re just not trying hard enough, basically. It’s hard to see him as anything short of a monster, and it doesn’t help that he abuses …
/r/ExRedPill12/06/22 10:16 PM
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If you like to read or listen to audiobooks, I found the book “atomic habits” to be really useful when I was adjusting my trajectory. Actually, that’s where I got that concept from. What I like about the book is that it’s super literal and practical - not fluffy like other self-help books. I realized at some point that I had a self-sabotaging and biased belief system, so I just couldn’t trust the voice in my head anymore. After all, she led me to where I was at. Lol. I had to pack up those belie…
/r/ExRedPill12/06/22 10:06 PM
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Don’t check him out too much. Just read the titles of the videos - that’s my advice. You don’t need to cheapen your life experience by actually consuming his bullshit. Save your psyche and do something useful with your time! Imo you should be very careful with how much of this media you consume. It could lead you into having sexist beliefs against men.
/r/ExRedPill12/06/22 07:32 AM
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First, I started talking to men online. Then, I started realizing that there is a similar dogma underlying the beliefs of men who misunderstand women in a way that makes them self-sabotage, fail to find love, and ascribe to self-destructive beliefs regarding the sexes and there roles. I had noticed this before, and tried to associate the beliefs with various sources of dogma, but the dogma wast universal among the people who were affected. I don’t remember when I found out about red pill, but I …
/r/ExRedPill12/06/22 07:30 AM
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You’ve posted on here for quite some time, and I could see you were really struggling. I felt for you, because when I was struggling with sexism (which is what red pill is), it was one of the darkest times of my life, and it was very, very hard to overcome the delusion and dogma I was brainwashed with. I feel like I know that you didn’t want to fall into the cults you fell into, but sometimes it just seems inevitable that you are heading that way and nothing can stop it (although maybe I’m wrong…
/r/ExRedPill12/06/22 07:16 AM
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I didn’t have time to read this all, but from what I read, he sounds just like my abusive ex. It was so bad towards the end. I hope you got out early. I don’t date anymore, tbh. I don’t think I can let anyone that far into my psyche anymore. I’m afraid that if I do, I’ll become sexist and hate men. I know there’s so many great guys out there, though. I’ve met a lot of them online and they’re compassionate, intelligent, good people. I feel bad that they’re sex is contaminated by red pilled guys. …
/r/ExRedPill11/06/22 04:10 AM
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Your comment isn’t well written or logically cohesive, so it’s hard to really understand what you were trying to say? Maybe try again?
/r/ExRedPill08/06/22 06:08 AM
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That’s hilarious because I know of a guy who tried this “what’s your boyfriends name” on a friend of mine. 😂 I know because she told me about it, and then she told virtually everyone else about it until it traveled through the grapevine to another girl he was trying to use and manipulate and she ghosted him too. I think in the end he went crawling back to his girlfriend of 8 years that he dumped and she clearly had enough self-loathing to give him a second chance. I’d like to say she deserves be…
/r/seduction08/06/22 01:22 AM
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That’s good that you feel that way because the one time someone asked me out and I told them I had a boyfriend, and they said “so what”, I definitely took that personally. Not only is it an extreme insult to me that you seem to think I’ll screw around on my guy - it shows me that you’re objectively a scum bag. There is no faster way to invoke my wrath than to insult my loyalty and suggest I’m nothing but I cheap lay. This might be why some of the women in the old movies slapped men 😂 Some guys d…
/r/seduction08/06/22 01:16 AM
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Good job! That courage is really admirable - and I just loved the way that you asked! It was very brave. “I have something important to discuss…I’ll just ask you here”. I mean, the way you adjusted on the fly like that is really cool and confident sounding. For the record - I never laughed at or ridiculed a guy and don’t know of any woman that has. Guys have told me it happens though. So…I suppose it must, but I would assume a girl like that is a very unusual kind of person that might not be gre…
/r/seduction08/06/22 01:09 AM
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I was not aware that it did. I would like to better understand this as well.
/r/ExRedPill07/06/22 08:09 PM
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Money doesn’t necessarily make you more attractive but what you do with it can. If you dress nicely, smell nice, have confidence, are learning new skills or working on projects…all of these are generally universally attractive. Money can also help make nice experiences. You can make a date really special and memorable, and give someone a memory they otherwise wouldn’t have had because you had the money for it. That can really make an impression on a person. Having stable finances and managing yo…
/r/ExRedPill07/06/22 02:19 PM
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Oh, thank you! What a nice comment! I was actually going to delete this but I guess I’ll leave it now. Lol
/r/ExRedPill06/06/22 09:41 PM
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I heard you can’t be a Chad if you don’t wear a pink polo shirt with a beige sweater tied around your neck. Is it true?
/r/ExRedPill06/06/22 05:33 PM
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I feel like that’s most of the newer lingo or liberal lingo these days. I guess because it changes so fast no one knows what it means anymore.
/r/ExRedPill06/06/22 05:08 PM
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You’re wrong. Modern feminism is far worse than TRP. I had my feminism phase a long time ago. Growing up female made most of my youth hell, tbh, and I couldn’t escape the constant jabs to my sense of self worth because that perception of my sex contaminated everything - academia, religion, art, and music, and especially the way people treated you. You couldn’t talk about how you felt about any of this, because you would be humiliated if you admitted to your feelings. Consequently, women stopped …
/r/ExRedPill06/06/22 04:55 PM
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I’m just now realizing “Chad” isn’t synonymous with a-hole. Lol. I thought that’s what it meant…
/r/ExRedPill06/06/22 09:20 AM
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Pretty sure these people are actually narcissists that are lying about, or delusional about their sexual success. It’s not always intuitive to recognize a narcissist who is lying, because their motivations are hard to relate to. With narcissists, you have to ask yourself if what they are saying is reasonable, probable, and/or supported by facts, observations of reality, or by well-established scientific theories, and not contradicted by logic or scientific evidence. So don’t try to understand ho…
/r/ExRedPill06/06/22 09:18 AM
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We already know what you’re saying to be true from a scientific standpoint, I believe. When it comes to objective features like whether a shirt is red or green, humans seem to agree, but the way those colors actually look - maybe not so much, and whether they LIKE them - that is a very diverse opinion. People who disagree with this stance will use evolutionary psychology as proof, which is a very dodgey branch of science, imo. But it is also self-evident that genetic health is not the deciding f…
/r/ExRedPill02/06/22 07:01 AM
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I wouldn’t say it’s pointless. It’s actually a really useful exercise. Sometimes it’s that you think they’re better than you, and if that’s the case, it’s useful to explore why you think that, because that tells you what you value. So, let’s say you think a fat guy with a girlfriend is funnier than you…well you probably actually value a good sense of humor, and that’s useful information. It shows you why you might lack confidence, and gives you a direction to head in.
/r/ExRedPill21/05/22 09:52 PM
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I would say that from what I’ve seen, it’s usually the woman’s interest that grows and the man who loses interest. Women don’t usually know whether they’re interested in you yet before dating. They need to get to know you first to see if they feel a connection. Men, however, as you said, usually pretty much know strait off the bat whether or not they are interested because it’s more of an appearance thing for the guys, which isn’t to say personality doesn’t also matter. For the women, though, wh…
/r/seduction21/05/22 09:46 PM
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That is definitely an issue from what I’ve seen! I’ve been told that porn is a big culprit in that kind of thinking. People are attracted to people who value what they value, so, if you don’t value your body, health, beauty, emotional maturity, intelligence, skills, or what have you… you have a snowballs chance in hell of appealing to someone who values those things and invests their time in them. If you want a physically fit woman - get physically fit. If you want a woman who invests in her loo…
/r/ExRedPill21/05/22 09:37 PM
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It needs to add value because that is how you will discover who you are in life and make the most of it. It’s alright to enjoy entertainment once in a while, but any time you see a mature, healthy adult, that is almost never solely what they are doing. These forms of entertainment that don’t benefit you or improve you in some fashion become addictions that lead people to depression. You see it everywhere. If you want to feel good about yourself and have confidence, you need to feel like you earn…
/r/ExRedPill21/05/22 09:32 PM
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Can you elaborate on that? What makes you think those guys are different from you?
/r/ExRedPill21/05/22 09:27 PM
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Is that what you’re seeing? Maybe you have bad luck. I’ve had good luck with younger guys. I do notice that they become very unwilling to listen when people objectify them and lecture them with apathy while explaining why they are at fault for how other people treated them due to their habit of objectifying others and failing to empathize with them. I can relate to that, as I’m always very skeptical when I think I’m talking to a hypocritical person who weaponizes science and logic to win argumen…
/r/ExRedPill21/05/22 09:24 PM
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Hmm…Maybe what you’re seeing is my effort to be impartial.
/r/ExRedPill20/05/22 06:53 AM
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Well..I think in retrospect, for me, it was harder when I (at first) kind of tried to validate my bitterness rather than evolve out of it. Once I tried to escape, it was because I realized I was wrong. It still hurt, but it gave me hope. It also gave me a direction to go in because I realized I needed to find out why I was wrong, and that meant I needed to take in information from different sources. I didn’t really do this consciously at first, because I saw the situation as hopeless, so I just …
/r/ExRedPill20/05/22 06:45 AM
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Thanks! Same! I’ve begun to realize that you never know how much people are listening to you because the people with whom you have the most impact need a lot of time to think about what you’ve said, and they’re unlikely to find you later to tell you that you changed them. I think you help a lot of people. Maybe you even saved a few lives, though you’ll never know it (and they may not either).
/r/ExRedPill20/05/22 06:41 AM
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Aww thanks! I don’t think OP appreciated it though.
/r/ExRedPill20/05/22 06:35 AM
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It’s so nice to hear from guys that contradict TRP’s dogma. Thanks for sharing!
/r/ExRedPill20/05/22 06:31 AM
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Wow. That’s really kind of you to say! Thank you!I worked hard to get to this frame of mind. 😊
/r/ExRedPill16/05/22 09:52 PM
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This is a really fair point! You only need to win once.
/r/ExRedPill16/05/22 09:48 PM
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This is really solid advice. Just to add to this perspective, it doesn’t seem to me that most women in relationships met their partner on a dating app. If that’s true, then it may also be true that women on dating apps represent an uncommon group of women. So when you go out with them, their behaviors, beliefs, and so forth, probably don’t represent what is typical in wider society. It’s possible you may also be more inclined to meet more women on a dating app who are seeking attention from a lo…
/r/ExRedPill16/05/22 09:47 PM
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^ this guy is chronically on point. You guys should listen to him.
/r/ExRedPill16/05/22 09:41 PM
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While these are thought provoking points, I think that if you don’t acknowledge the motivation behind why OP posted, these points won’t move them in the way they could. OP didn’t ask whether their bitter feelings were true or false, but how to avoid falling into the trap of feeling them. You know? You have a good mind so maybe if you were to consider the real question they’re asking you might have some excellent practical tips to give.
/r/ExRedPill16/05/22 09:38 PM
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Honestly, I think the answer to that is yes, in my experience. Personifying the pain by thinking of it as a “me” problem is the path to self-destruction. It leads to learned failure as people continuously try to self-correct and repeatedly fail. Also, have you seen the social response to posts phrased in this fashion? It is brutal. Bitter members of the opposite sex interpret this as whining and crying out of a failure to empathize or relate to the other sex. That is not conducive to self-growth…
/r/ExRedPill16/05/22 09:36 PM
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Firstly, it might help to realize that dating breaks us all. Dating broke me so thoroughly I completely gave up on it. Since then, meeting someone who has come out of the modern dating game with their sanity intact has been the exception. Dating out there is absolutely ruthless for many reasons that can be somewhat explained. Secondly, the most important thing you need to do to protect yourself from falling victim to dogmas is to develop uncompromisingly intellectual integrity. Otherwise, what h…
/r/ExRedPill16/05/22 07:01 PM
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I hadn’t thought of that, but you’re right! For me, it took forever. But it all started with just realizing that what I believed wasn’t true. Once I realized it wasn’t true - that bothered me. So much so that, eventually, I agreed not to believe it even though I didn’t know why it wasn’t true yet. It took me years to unlearn what I’d convinced myself of. I think it must be harder for people who were red pilled, because with the exception of a couple of intellectual-type guys, I mostly came up wi…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 09:21 AM
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I did not actually know this. Thanks! That’s something to research! I do know that the myth of wolf hierarchy was debunked by the person who first documented it. As is so often the case, though, it seems that didn’t make it to the public. What’s with that? 🤷‍♀️
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 05:38 AM
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Dang. Same here. It’s what bought me to Reddit. In particular, learning about the experiences of men in their own words, as that is something I can’t say I have exposure to. I’ve become a listener in a lot of contexts though. I like to listen to elderly people talk about growing up, or people from different jobs explain what it’s like and how they got there, etc. It’s all information. It sounds like we’re very similarly-minded!
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 05:36 AM
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Third possibility…they’re lying about their success with women. I hate to say that because it’s a cheap explanation, and I tend to assume first and foremost that people are being honest… But a lot of these stories they have about women and the way they behave are so far-fetched that I can’t relate to them, have never encountered women that act in those ways or claim to have those beliefs, and the abstracts I’ve read appear to refute their claims. To be generous, I’ve decided this may be due to s…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 05:31 AM
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I think this is going to be because people in TRP think they are seeing the world through the lens of biology. A lot of TRP will try to cherry-pick cultural perceptions of evolution to claim an argument of bias is scientifically valid. They abuse science a lot…like a lot, a lot. This is where their dogma starts to really differ from something like a religion. Anyways, I’m guessing a TRP believer will say that it is unnatural for male mammals to want to commit their energy and resources to the re…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 05:12 AM
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Why is this so relatable! My kryptonite is people telling me I might have been wrong. They don’t even have to try that hard, if my own brain can find a reasonable “what if”, I will be tortured by self-doubt until I recheck everything from the bottom up. I might be an extreme case though. Lol. I think more people have more confidence! 😂
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 04:33 AM
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I suppose, but I also hear this idea from TRP that women are gold diggers who care more about your money than you, and they only marry for financial security. So maybe there’s a divide here? Maybe some of TRP hates women who make their own money, and some hate the women who choose to be housewives? 😅 Edit: Challenge. Find a subset of women TRP doesn’t hate. I’m really curious to know if there is a hyper specific set of qualities they are prioritizing here.
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 04:27 AM
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Yes! This exactly! I can’t tell you how many times someone made a poor, haphazard argument that I had no respect for at the time, but my subconscious reconfigured it in such a way as to drive me totally nuts and force me to go back to the drawing board to figure out where I went wrong. I don’t choose for that to happen in my head, but my brain can’t not care about it. I don’t want to be wrong, even at the extent that I’ll admit I was wrong if it means I can figure out what the right answer was a…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 04:23 AM
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If you have experience working the night shift & tending to someone’s needs you can argue for higher pay if there’s a lack of night shift workers in your area! It worked for me. You can always come back and accept a lower wage later. Just start out a few dollars higher than they pay for the day shift, and interview at a good number of places. Some gyms and supermarkets are 24h as well. I like it because I listen to educational videos on YouTube while I work. Learning something intellectually is …
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 04:21 AM
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Hmm…there’s a problem with the question you’re asking. You’re not being specific enough, and I think specificity will actually help you a lot. Which women are you talking about? All women, some women, or any women? When you ask yourself that question, I think you’ll realize it’s self-evident that the answer will be “some”. Most of the times with questions like this, it usually will be that. So, “some women really trade secrets for money, security, and safety”, is your revised statement. Now ther…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 03:43 AM
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Can someone translate this for me?
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 03:18 AM
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I have a practical way I do this for all people. When you see a stranger in public, especially if you’re going to interact with them, first start by thinking about what their day is like. Imagine a scenario in your head. Maybe they were late for work. Maybe they just had a really difficult customer. To humanize someone, that’s sometimes all you need to do. However, to improve your social skills, the next step is to ingender curiosity. Wonder to yourself whether they like the same artist as you d…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 03:08 AM
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You’re right. It took me a long time to realize that what I call “generic advice” was really screwing me over. Ie: if you love someone, you’ll never leave them. If you love someone you won’t try to change them. Change the way you look at things and the things you look at change. That advice let me to an abusive relationship. I kept blaming myself for not being able to change things, and feeling disloyal whenever I thought about leaving. In regards to lying…I’ve been an extremely honest person fo…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 03:04 AM
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When I started looking into Buddhism I started actively trying to humanize random people I met, and the change in the way they reacted to me was startling. I remember the first day I tried it. It was with a woman (but I’m a woman too, fyi). She was a cashier at target and I went to checkout my stuff, and I gave her a compliment. I’ve done that before, and usually people will give me a dead-pan thanks, look super uncomfortable, look at me like I’m a weirdo, or completely ignore me because they do…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 02:43 AM
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So true
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 02:29 AM
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Congratulations on moving passed that! That’s massive. It takes a lot of growth, I think. My general approach to choosing hobbies and skills goes something like this… Pick something that: Gets you exposed to people you enjoy hanging out with Adds to something you already know so you can be really good in a general area Benefits you mentally, physically, or emotionally. Metal detecting can be good because it gets you outside. I like ant keeping, myself. You could also start going on trail hikes l…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 02:28 AM
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I think the problem is two fold. First, it’s how people internalize failure. Secondly, it has to do with not really getting how the ways in which most women think differs from men. On internalizing failure, I used to have a habit of thinking any time I didn’t succeed I had failed. But when I was a kid riding a bike and I fell, I didn’t think I had “failed”, and nobody watching me fall would have said that. So it doesn’t make sense to think that a lack of success is equivalent to failure. It’s ac…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 02:14 AM
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You totally lost me on that last part, but then, I don’t know all the pills either. This comment was a really cool read. I don’t normally hear guys giving guys advice like that. It’s refreshing. So many of the negative emotions men feel towards women comes from, I think, a complete breakdown in empathy between the sexes. Also, it’s a misconception to think empathy makes a person weaker…in my experience, it makes you more emotionally resilient if it is a thing you are using to grow yourself rathe…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 02:08 AM
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Oh I like that rhetorical question. Hope you don’t mind if I add that to my internal list of wisdoms.
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 01:54 AM
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Couldn’t it be said you cared more as an adult than a kid? I suppose it depends on how you define “kid”. Most kids learn to ride a bike because when they fell down, they down internalize their failure. They cry, go do something else, and try again later because the idea of successfully riding a bike is motivating, and they’re not holding onto the past. I had something of a nervous breakdown in college which forced me to redefine the way I viewed failure. I realized that every time I didn’t succe…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 01:52 AM
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Sure. I can relate to that. That’s a psychological phenomenon called learned helplessness…basically, if you keep trying & it isn’t working, you come to expect that nothing you try will work. Whats interesting is that kids, with some exceptions, don’t really think that way. Like…when a kid is learning to ride a bike, and they fail, they don’t personalize their feelings of failure and use it as a way to measure how worthy they are as a person. That’s more something adults do. But I think we all do…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 01:12 AM
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That’s true! There’s nothing wrong with speaking when nobody has the tenacity to listen. It’s not immoral to be a mad hatter.
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 12:20 AM
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Hmm…actually, I think I would be closer to “no-pill”, but I think it’s not as hard to embody as you believe it to be. I’m still working on enlightenment - that takes a lifetime. Firstly, though, let me just say that I think I do see a decent argument to support what you’re saying if we interpret the word “pill” differently. On the one hand, you have objectification - and yes, that is impossible to destroy short of becoming enlightened. I don’t believe that is equivalent to “pill” though. A pill …
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 12:20 AM
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Aww, it may be the ambien or it may just be you, but that was honestly such a nice comment! I don’t think I’m always empathetic. I get frustrated sometimes at what I see to be “willful ignorance”…but reading this post got me to thinking a lot about that and I think what I realized is that you can never actually tell how much someone listens to the things you say…people who really are affected by your words, in cases where what you say really means something, have to actually process that informa…
/r/ExRedPill15/05/22 12:00 AM
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Wow, thank you. That’s flattering. I’m a bit flakey but if there was a particular point you thought was compelling that you wanted to share with me, I’d be interested to share my perspective with you, in what I hope will be an objective/unbiased fashion as a member of the opposite sex. Maybe you came across an argument I didn’t. A lot of people are more immersed in the literature.
/r/ExRedPill14/05/22 11:48 PM
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Ugh. Sorry. I try so hard to practice brevity but I always get carried away. 🙄 This is my white whale.
/r/ExRedPill11/05/22 12:37 AM
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I know that you get a lot of flack here…but the fact that you keep coming tells me that you don’t want to be stuck in whatever mental place you’re in right now… Don’t give up. Keep trying. I can see you’re still trying, even though you facing things that are really hard to overcome, and I used to be in a similar boat. I think I might be able to empathize with how you’re feeling, at least sometimes. So the fact that you keep coming here to comment, even if you disagree, is a good sign in my book.…
/r/ExRedPill11/05/22 12:36 AM
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I think I understand what you’re saying. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to tell people how you feel and having people make you feel better. I have a good friend I trust for that. If I ever feel really low, I go to her and she helps me feel better. The difference between coddling and comforting though, is that when my feelings are hurt I acknowledge the fact that I’m at a low point and I need someone to help me out. I don’t tell myself that this is “the truth” or that these feelings define th…
/r/ExRedPill11/05/22 12:31 AM
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Is there a no pill movement yet? Someone should get on that. I get the sense that this sub attracts a lot of sexist women, having been one myself in a lesser life.
/r/ExRedPill11/05/22 12:21 AM
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I agree with the last statement. However, I would argue that belief in red pill ideology is a symptom of a person who is applying bias and poor critical thinking skills. Every red pill argument I have seen suffers from the same fundamental logical defects. If a person is to be as objective as it is possible for them to be, then the intellectual process with which they analyze information needs to be logically cohesive and valid. Some of the most basic problems with the red pill ideology include …
/r/ExRedPill11/05/22 12:20 AM
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Let’s try to maybe understand a bit of the psychology going on here? Perhaps then we can be more effective. Let’s assume those people actually genuinely want to change. (I believe they do, because I’ve never seen more miserable people than sexists. It’s a dark way to live.) Hypothetically, why would someone who genuinely wants to change come here and act like that? If they want to change, they should be open to advice on how to do so. Possibly, it could be that the reason they resort to coming h…
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 11:59 PM
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Because what you just said is the exact same thought trap that brought those people to red pill to begin with. Have you heard/seen what ____ does? This is why we _____. What you are doing is objectifying a group of people as an archetype or persona. You can had TRP - I do, of course - but if you apply that hate to the victims of TRP, you’re a hypocrite, and guilty of the same irrationality that they are. That doesn’t make you a horrendous person. That just makes you someone who is upset, trigger…
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 11:35 PM
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Gotta love a guy that participated in self-reflection and self-correction. I do so much of this, myself, but it’s rare to find people in general that do. It’s always attractive to me when I see it. We all make mistakes. It takes more courage to admit you’re not perfect than it proves superiority to pretend you are.
/r/ExRedPill10/05/22 09:39 PM
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I think that’s really cool but I would argue that, also, most of the times when you do choose to share your feelings it was the wrong choice to make in retrospect. I wouldn’t say it takes me a lot of effort to not process my emotions in most situations. It takes surprisingly little effort for me, personally. In fact - my bigger problem is that when I’m offered the chance to share, I don’t really understand how to talk about them. I can say what the facts are, and what my literal feelings are, bu…
/r/ExRedPill07/05/22 09:23 AM
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I aspire to become that person. Your husband sounds super cool. Maybe I’ll run into you guys one day!
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 05:45 PM
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That advice is harmful to men because it helps them solve an immediate problem by giving them a much more insidious problem. Basically what you are teaching someone is that they have to practice manipulating women so they behave a certain way. Women do this as well - it’s not exclusive to TRP. The rules for not being a doormat are the same for both sexes. You process your emotions when something invoked them, learn what it is that bothers you and why, and then construct boundaries for yourself i…
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 05:45 PM
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Man…that makes me a little jealous. I relate to your struggle 100% - I’m the exact same way. It’s extremely hard for me to share my feelings at this point. So much so that it’s actually ingrained in me not to even think about them. I just distract myself and put them in a box on a shelf in my mind. It works 80% of the time. The 20% it doesn’t is so terrible for my health.
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 05:27 PM
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So cool to hear! ❤️ Thanks for sharing!
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 05:25 PM
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My best friend, a girl, is my source for this. When life gets really bad she helps me laugh it off. We joke about our problems together and it makes me strong. I think it’s more common in guys than girls. I always wished I could find a partner like that.
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 05:24 PM
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Thanks! I thought so too. It was actually really upsetting. I cried quite a bit about it, and I’m not the kind of person to cry much…it just caught me off guard how it made me feel. Not just that I was worthless, but also a selfish monster, and that my friends friends hated me now because I asked for a soda. I was in a difficult place in life, so, maybe I was unnecessarily emotional about it.
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:43 PM
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This is the definition of “unhealthy” in my mind - this concept that you should be owed the “amenities” of life without having to put work or effort into yourself, and that everyone else is just as bad as you are. That is never going to be true. Nobody is stopping you from self-destruction, but it’s baffling to think that society shouldn’t criticize self-destructive behaviors, or praise healthy behaviors. It’s also selfish to think that, by virtue of your sheer existence, you deserve to have som…
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:40 PM
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I love all of this! Haha. These are all the things I love about men too! Also: - they’re warm - they’re simple when it comes to what they want and need - they smell good - they laugh at things that hurt, and help you laugh at them too - they’re compassionate but they don’t usually try to show off how virtuous they are - they’re playful - they’re comfortable with gross stuff I love all these things about men.
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:29 PM
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A major sign of personal maturity is that you can enjoy your own company, and be comfortable being alone. It’s attractive in both men and women, but it’s something that takes most people a very long time to develop in themselves, and even then, it can kind of wax and wane throughout your life. The abundance attitude is unhealthy, in my opinion. It means that you objectify the opposite sex and see individual members of it as though they are not different, unique, or special in their way. I don’t …
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:26 PM
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Not sure I agree with that “abundance” mindset. It kind of sounds to me like you’re talking about a narcissist, to be honest.
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:23 PM
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Do you happen to know your MBTI personality type?
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:22 PM
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Love this comment! I’ve often found that in some of the so-called “toxic” male atmospheres, I’ve actually encountered some really cool guys who are the total opposite of the stereotypes society imposes on them. I find that in gaming circles, tech circles, and anime guys a lot - more of your geeks, you know. I was told that the CS industry is basically a man’s game and I should expect a lot of sexism and toxic treatment - never did. The CS guys were really respectful of women. I did see that kind…
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:22 PM
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Your boyfriend sounds fantastic. Do you feel like his character inspires you to grow as a person?
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:17 PM
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I think there are all different ways for guys to be healthy. You couldn’t really define a “healthy man” except in terms of what a healthy man is not, which could be, for example, an adult person who isn’t able to process emotions or communicate. I think it’s just something a person feels out.
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:17 PM
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That pretty much sounds like the definition of maturity for a man or woman.
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:15 PM
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You’re the one who needs a therapist. Someone shared their feelings and it triggered you - look at your comments when you’re calmer and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:14 PM
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I understand what you’re saying. The female role in society really bothers me too, because I’m expected to give up everything for everyone else…like I don’t matter. It feels like the only thing the world cares about is how I look for maybe 4 years of my life and after that the only thing that counts about me is what I can do for other people. I resented that for a long time because I wanted people to appreciate me for who I am and see me as someone who has value and worth. Sorry you can get so m…
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:12 PM
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That is so cool. The first time I ever kissed a guy he asked me “can I kiss you” and it was probably the most romantic movement of my life. I think I acted like an idiot though. Lol.
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:04 PM
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Wow - you’re lucky! There aren’t a lot of guys like that. That’s someone who will be by your side through thick and thin, and be a fantastic role model and parent.
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:03 PM
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I admire people like that. It takes guts to ask and maturity to accept an answer that isn’t the answer you were hoping for.
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:00 PM
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Right. Dating apps represent a very weird offshoot of sexual behavior, and most women don’t seem to use them. I have seen a lot of arguments from TRP and similar dogmas that try to use the results of dating apps as “scientific evidence” - is blatant use of bias. That doesn’t matter though. People see percents and think “facts”. Few will believe otherwise.
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 03:59 PM
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I don’t think TRP does that at all…some of the men are obnoxious and aggressive, some are not but they’re still not nice - all of them are dishonest/disingenuous. TRP is built on the concept of manipulation. Without being disingenuous there is no art of strategy/planning/forethought. TRP teaches techniques for this, so it teaches manipulation, which is disingenuous. To use your business reference - anyone who uses business tactics to try to get what they want from a person is going to be instinc…
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 03:55 PM
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I mean…honestly, at that point in my life, I was all alone and he was my only friend. He was severely overweight, but I loved his jokes and his smile, and he always smelled good and dressed nicely. To be truthful, it could have become something more eventually, but my ex was a sociopath and I was still kind of traumatized at that point. A fact that I made very clear - and maybe I shouldn’t have - because maybe he saw that as weakness. We had a lot of lighthearted fun together and I enjoyed his c…
/r/ExRedPill06/05/22 04:09 AM
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My experience so far is that most men know and most women don’t. None of my female friends in real life had heard of these things, but when you tell them about them, it all clicks into place because they’ve seen the behaviors countless times. Most men I’ve spoken to know far more than I do, and I actually spent time in my life researching this stuff. Lol. I found out about RP when I was 29 I think, and MGTOW maybe a year later.
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 10:38 PM
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It started a long time ago, actually, and it was popularized by several books and media figureheads. You can actually research the history on it. Basically men with self-help solutions making books & media for guys struggling to adjust to massive changes in family and social structures in the US. We lost our rigid dating culture when we lost the nuclear family and stay at home mom, and it left a void in society as to what the new rules should be. That’s roughly when men and women started to turn…
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 10:36 PM
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Yeah, I could see that…the idea that if men seem to view most women as weaklings, maybe you can rise above that? That motivation makes sense to me. It kind of helps me better understand what might be a similar motivation for men, too. The desire to be seen as strong, smart, and competent. Good for you getting out of that! It can’t have been easy. I went through a misandrist phase and it was hell on earth. I’m so glad to be free - I got my life back.
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 10:33 PM
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Oh dang. That is emotionally heavy and makes a crap ton of sense. I think if I were in your shoes I would have felt that way too - I can almost see who I would have been. I hope you’re in a better headspace now.
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 10:31 PM
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Complete confusion. I’ve literally never met one in real life and I can’t identify or relate to them at all. They’re like aliens. Makes me wonder where the f they came from? Like, how did you completely dodge pretty much all of female society to arrive at this random conclusion about life? The only thing I can come up with to explain their behavior is that they’re not being honest, but I feel like I must be being ignorant, because they can’t all be lying for the sake of attention. I suppose it’s…
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 10:28 PM
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I haven’t read all your messages and can’t sit down to right now, even though I want to, but just reading this one out of context I feel like I can almost feel your sadness and frustration through my screen. Please know that you’re not alone in the way you’re feeling, and I understand because I’ve also felt like that. In fact, I think it’s rare that I’ve met someone who hasn’t! Dating people and being in relationships - it’s just really hard. When you care a lot about someone it’s impossible not…
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 10:25 PM
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You can’t, though. If you listen to what she’s saying, that kind of attention doesn’t count as being eligible for replacing someone. Most of those men are statistically going to be manipulative people who want to use women to their detriment. Think about it. If PUA tells you to approach 100 women for pick ups as “exposure therapy” and a nice guy approaches a woman he likes maybe once every three months, where do you think MOST of that attention comes from? It’s not flattering, comforting, confid…
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 10:15 PM
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I really feel bad for guys going through this. I dated someone going through this and the red pill often came through in his speech & it really made me uncomfortable because I really, really liked the guy. Later, I found out there was a ton of stuff he hadn’t told me about himself, and the insecurities came out, and I realized that he wasn’t in a place psychologically to commit to the kind of level of relationship we were considering. It would have been bad for us both, but especially for him, b…
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 10:06 PM
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I went over to a guy friends house one time & when he went to get a soda I asked if he would get me one too. His roommates said “don’t get her a soda - make her get up and get her own. She’s just bitch testing you dude.” His other roommate agreed. My friend said nothing. He just went red in the face, got his own soda, and came back and sat on the couch refusing to look at any of us. Later he apologized for his roommates and said they had weird views on women. I didn’t know about red pill at the …
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 09:54 PM
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I have literally only seen this one time in my life, but I think people in holleywood maybe do it a lot? Then again, they’re usually also attractive, so… 🤷‍♀️ I think I agree with your theory. I actually grew up in a well heeled area where most of the men are quite wealthy, and not only do I not see this, but I’m almost completely positive that if it did happen they would be hardcore alienated because social expectations around here are pretty rigid. I’ve lived in a lot of places though, and als…
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 09:50 PM
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I don’t think that’s the reason women are more “sexually selective” on dating apps. On dating apps, usually, the number one thing you share about yourself is your appearance. If that is almost the only information you give someone, of course, that is what they will judge you on. I don’t have time to find it, but I came across an abstract at one point that discussed findings that women usually date their friends. That, coupled with data from dating websites which seems to be everywhere (and not r…
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 09:46 PM
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Hello there! I would really like to respond at length and engage you in a conversation. I interact pretty well with guys who have autism, I used to have an autistic male roommate and I believe my father is on the spectrum, as well. Unfortunately, I don’t have a lot of time right now, but I didn’t want to miss this opportunity in case you delete your post or get a lot of hateful responses. I just want to say that the reason people are reacting to you that way is because what you’re saying, about …
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 09:40 PM
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I’ll go first! When I was in highschool I had a few healthy guy friends, and they were honestly so much fun to be around. I never felt like they had plans or they were analyzing things or trying to figure out how to get something…if anything, I felt a little less relaxed around women because I wasn’t that great back then with my social skills and when I felt like I messed things up, I felt like some of my female friends back then would read into it but not tell me what they thought. I felt like …
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 09:24 PM
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Awww, this was honestly such a sweet post! Thank you! You’re a really kind person. I like that you liked my views! I understand where you’re coming from with the age thing! I felt that way too in my 20s. Later in life, though, I met some guys who had seriously screwed up younger years - raped, abused by family members, physically abused by girlfriends - I think the more you talk to people about their stories and the more you invite them to share their feelings, the deeper your insight grows. Eve…
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 08:07 PM
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I would strongly argue against that because I used to be a misandrist. What I think you’re expecting this subreddit to be is a place where men who used to be redpilled to feel more comfortable - and they shouldn’t. When you become sexist you dehumanize and objectify the opposite sex. You decide they don’t deserve your compassion or empathy - that their thoughts and feelings don’t count. They are lesser humans. If you REALLY want to recover from that toxic perspective, you absolutely need to feel…
/r/ExRedPill03/05/22 03:23 PM
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It’s nice to hear from someone who has compassion for what these people are going through. It’s easy to hate them for their mistakes, but we’re all vulnerable when we’re in a place of desperation. I understand exactly how you feel when you come across those guys asking for help. It’s how I feel too. I also find it so frustrating to feel like I might be able to actually help them, but because I’m a woman - I can’t - because they’re being brainwashed not to listen to anyone that is female. What we…
/r/ExRedPill02/05/22 05:54 AM
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You might have more luck if you post to a red pill subreddit and ask members what made them become “red pilled”. Most will be more than happy to tell you, as long as you phrase your question non-judgementally and do not suggest at a liberal political affiliation. Here, you are likely to get inaccurate results, because you will find people who very, very briefly dipped their toes into a radical movement and then realized the error of their ways, and have come here as a therapeutic means of gettin…
/r/ExRedPill01/05/22 02:00 PM
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The funny thing is that when I discovered the existence of mgtow (in my 30s, like you said, I had absolutely no idea what this was), I actually liked it and it resonated with me. I came across someone in the comment section on YouTube who told me they were a member of this thing, and when I asked what it was, they said it stood for men going their own way, as in, carving out their own path in life regardless of the pressures of society. I never really fit into my gender role, myself, and I kind …
/r/ExRedPill30/04/22 03:27 PM
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🤣 Love this comment. Thanks for the laugh!
/r/ExRedPill30/04/22 03:08 PM
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Oh, I know exactly where you’re coming from, and my mom’s advice didn’t really cover that. I’ve been isolated and backed into a wall by a drunk guy before who was getting more and more angry because I wasn’t responding quickly enough to what he was saying. I just remember trying to figure out what to say without making him get violent, because he seemed like the kind of guy that would. Luckily, for me, another guy at the party I went to had been watching this guy. He must have seen him follow me…
/r/ExRedPill30/04/22 01:04 AM
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I think I see where you’re coming from, and if I’m right, I think we agree. I respect people who stick up for their rights to be their own person. That is a moral quality, and it takes backbone to defend it. That’s not what I see though. I see people who are willfully biased, and speak as though their findings are facts. Men and women who look for answers about the opposite sex, while excluding information from that sex. They end up being the worst people, to be honest, and unfortunately, I find…
/r/ExRedPill30/04/22 12:30 AM
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See, there’s a difference between the guys that are genuinely nice people that other guys call “simps”, and the guys that are manipulative and petty and think that by acting cute they’ll trick a girl out of her better judgement. I’ve never seen the latter work, but I’ve seen plenty of dateable guys labeled as “simps” by other men - usually men that are aggressive and disrespectful of women (and clearly men as well). So I have a big problem with the term. It honestly pisses me off. Decent men don…
/r/ExRedPill28/04/22 09:51 PM
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To kind of give an example of my point here…and this also ties into some of the ways in which men have a lot of challenges to face today that they didn’t a couple of generations ago… It used to be, in my grandma’s day, that there were “dating rules”. You knew what was expected of you, when it was acceptable to kiss a girl, where to take her, what to bring. It was also a heck of a lot more affordable for a young guy to take a girl on a date. You would have to meet her parents, would be expected h…
/r/ExRedPill28/04/22 09:47 PM
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Oh I am! Life is a lot better now. Being a kid is hard - I wouldn’t want to repeat it! I think respect for housewives varies regionally and but subculture/ethnicity. It used to be somewhat universal in the US that mothers were considered wise, and being a housewife was considered respectable and worthy of appreciation/admiration. I think there are pockets in the US where that is still the case - but in New York, and the parts of CA I lived in, it wasn’t. Then again, respect for parents and adult…
/r/ExRedPill28/04/22 09:33 PM
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I like this post! Thanks for sharing. It’s nice that the post is just asking women for their personal preferences/feelings instead of what men “should be”, because I don’t think anyone should get to tell you what you “should be”. I share the sentiments of many of the commenters…I just wish there were less men wound up in their gender role and this idea of conforming to some kind of type. I wish there were more men who would stick up for their rights to be an individual, and try to understand wom…
/r/ExRedPill28/04/22 07:27 PM
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That’s nice to hear!
/r/ExRedPill28/04/22 07:23 PM
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That is true, but the problem comes into play when men and women choose to only listen to their own sex. You shouldn’t listen to anyone, but if you’re going to follow peoples advice, then don’t be bias about where and how you get your information.
/r/ExRedPill28/04/22 07:19 PM
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That isn’t what the comment asked. The comment didn’t say “how should men be” but what women wish more men were like. I know why you read it that way - I’ve done that myself with a touchy subject - but that wasn’t the question. If it had been, I wouldn’t have responded.
/r/ExRedPill28/04/22 07:18 PM
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In going along with what another commenter said, I think (as a woman, trying to relate) that it has a lot to do with the way culture currently raises young boys. I watched a documentary that I thought was very good, and apparently the MRA hates, called the mask we live in…and it made a lot of sense because I’ve spoken to men that shared those sentiments, and I saw my brother go through it too. The bulk of the system is men bullying, humiliating, and shaming each other. Then there are undersocial…
/r/ExRedPill27/04/22 07:27 PM
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I get it. Red pill actually made me start thinking men were evil in college but that is because I didn’t know about the movement so I didn’t realize that what these guys were telling me was part of their indoctrination. They kept telling me all men think that way and no man would ever want to be my friend/talk to me if there wasn’t sex in it for them. Also that women were, basically, the lesser sex - so on and so forth. Exposure to men like that made me start looking at history, male mammal beha…
/r/ExRedPill27/04/22 07:04 PM
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On another note, I’ve never felt threatened or significantly bothered by so-called “simps”. Sometimes they can be cute. I’ve had friends that had good relationships with guys like that because they’re willing to be loving and devoted. The problem I have is with arrogant, entitled men who think that my sex is the lesser sex and that they are entitled to a woman’s body. My compassion ends there. I generally see excessive confidence as a serious red flag, there. It is an indication that someone pos…
/r/ExRedPill27/04/22 12:09 AM
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My theory.. I think it comes from “objectification”, which to my way of thinking, is essentially defined by disassociation. You see this in people who are socially awkward and live largely isolated lives. It is often accompanied by social fear, anxiety, and passive aggressive or evasive behaviors. The emotional portions of the brain are overriding areas responsible for higher level human thinking, resulting in a person who is operating more in terms of “stimulus, response” than truly thinking ab…
/r/ExRedPill27/04/22 12:00 AM
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I don’t think you’re the kind of guy that ever really bothered me! I talked to guys like that before and it was always fun. I didn’t trust them, because there’s unfortunately a few bad guys out there that do a LOT of cold approaches, so they far out represent the “good guys” who are just striking up a nice conversation because they’re fun, life-loving people. Thanks for the compliment! That’s actually such a nice thing to hear. I think it mostly had to do with where I was living at the time thou…
/r/ExRedPill26/04/22 02:19 AM
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Well, I think it’s just how you worded it. I really do think that you’re actually looking to process some emotion here, and I think this is a good forum for that. You just have to let people know what you’re trying to work out. Have you ever taken the MBTI? It seems like you might have Fe (extroverted feeling) as your cognitive emotion function. That’s just the vibe I got. People with Fe are interested to hear some other opinions before they make up their mind as to how they feel about something…
/r/ExRedPill23/04/22 04:50 PM
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I think what you should do is try to self-reflect on what kind of response you’re hoping people will give you. Is it that you want to talk about how she kissed/touched you as a kid, but you’re hoping someone will invite you to discuss it? Or is it that you’re hoping someone will give you advice either to date this woman, or move to a new place and meet new people? There is also the possibility that you’re actually flattered that she followed up with your mom and asked where you live, but maybe y…
/r/ExRedPill23/04/22 04:32 PM
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That’s true. I mean, it changes a bit when you’re in your 30s because you’re occupied. Women (and men) in their 30s are usually focused on their careers and/or their partner/family. The thing with Red Pill and the like is that they pick out an observation that is often somewhat accurate, and then define it in a way that bends the truth to fit the bias. So, a person may observe: “I see less older women having flirtatious interactions with the opposite sex in public”, but the critical thinker will…
/r/ExRedPill23/04/22 04:25 PM
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Maybe I could have communicated that better. What I meant was that you should strike up conversations with people without a sense of expectations, but at the very least, if you want something from someone, at least be straight-up about it - don’t try to coax them into a friendly conversation so you can get what you want - because people can sense when you’re after something from them, and they get immediately defensive. I don’t think I’ve ever been cold approached by a guy when I didn’t know wha…
/r/ExRedPill23/04/22 01:08 PM
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I wondered that as well, but while I grew up well-heeled and my childhood friends mostly did too, most of the friends I’ve made since then did not. I’ve lived in 3 states and spent a few months in Spain. I’m trying to rack my brains to think of an example of a woman who responded to a “cold approach” - I’m sure there must have been at least one - but nothing is coming to me at the moment. I even interviewed my grandmother, mom, and some other older women I’ve met as I traveled about their experi…
/r/ExRedPill22/04/22 03:46 PM
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I mean, yes, that’s true too. I’m always really skeptical of a “cold” approach - it’s shady. But I don’t think PUA ever worked, tbh. Not mainstream. I think it would have worked briefly in the jazz era or something. Maybe it works in Las Vegas. It’s just logic. If you’re a female you’d be a fool to let some strange guy have your number and go off with him somewhere. Who does that? Men keep talking about how much this “works” online, but I haven’t seen it work on me, my friends - none of the wome…
/r/ExRedPill21/04/22 09:24 PM
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From a woman’s perspective, you are a total stranger popping up out of nowhere saying “Are you romantically interested in me? I want your personal information please.” There are, according to a study I read, some women that will go for a cold approach and they’re about 2-4% of the population… I think it’s not unfair to say they may also be nymphomaniacs (about 2% of the population), and other women with psychological issues. Cold approach has never worked on me and none of my friends or the wome…
/r/ExRedPill21/04/22 12:31 PM
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You shouldn’t need to have a partner or friends in your life to make you happy. Other people can never make you a happy person - that’s something you have to work towards being, alone. That being said, it’s ridiculous to say that having a partner or fitness makes you weak. Look at the most powerful, influential people you know of…they probably have friends and are married. That doesn’t mean you need those things to be powerful - it just means having them is unrelated to whether you are strong or…
/r/ExRedPill19/04/22 12:54 PM
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By this logic, everyone should also like oysters on the half shell and caviar, unless they can afford them. This homeless guy example is a really toxic line of thinking. It’s a way to judge people for being poor. I never looked at it this way and if you do look at it this way you need to unfuck your thinking because it is a serious red flag for psychological imbalances imo.
/r/ExRedPill19/04/22 12:47 PM
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Wow. Well said!
/r/ExRedPill19/04/22 12:44 PM
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Thank you! I understand the victimized commenters…I think it’s a bad idea to self-victimize because it’s disempowering, but the dating game is just rabid these days. The way people are treating each other is very unfortunate, and a product of changing times. It won’t be like this forever, but there’s a lot of pain now that never had to be there. Such a shame.
/r/ExRedPill11/04/22 05:28 PM
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From my experience as a woman, older men who hit on younger women have serious issues with mental/emotional maturity. It’s like they can’t understand or relate to their peer group and they need to hit on someone who is non-threatening because their age gives them status. This applies more to men in the 30-60 range, I think. I think it’s possible they may also have some hormonal imbalances because I’ve noticed that they tend to have more boyish facial features and softer bodies. (This is just a g…
/r/ExRedPill30/03/22 03:43 PM
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Good job, you can protect yourself now. I know red pill does this to your psyche, but spend some time on this subreddit so you can learn how sick these people are. Then you’ll be able to more clearly see the bias in their arguments and why what they are saying is invalid. The more you know, the better you will fill. However, now that you’ve found out about red pill, it’s essential to protect yourself from red-pilled men. They are trained to psychologically manipulate and control you, and break y…
/r/ExRedPill28/02/22 03:36 PM
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If she didn’t how can she protect herself?
/r/ExRedPill28/02/22 03:11 PM
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Thanks for the definition
/r/ExRedPill28/02/22 03:09 PM
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The thing about teen women (and men) is that they lack experience and they look up to older people - regardless of sex. Adults can use this to their advantage because, having knowledge and experience, they can persuade younger people to believe things they wouldn’t normally have believed if they’d been more exposed to more information and experience. Luckily, this is changing. Teens are a lot “smarter” now than they used to be and a lot more informed about movements like TRP. They’re arming them…
/r/ExRedPill27/02/22 11:28 PM
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What is an SMV?
/r/ExRedPill27/02/22 11:14 PM
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Thanks for reading it!
/r/ExRedPill21/02/22 08:18 PM
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Agreed
/r/ExRedPill21/02/22 06:35 PM
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I agree with this. TRP is a form of psychological slavery that teaches men to follow rules by using their fear and sex drive to force them to abandon their individuality to submit to a doctrine. In the past, society used fear of god and basic survival to indoctrinate men into a life of servitude. The idea is that if you are not complacent, you do not get to eat or have shelter, and if you try to cheat the system god will smite you. TRP took this doctrine and transformed it into fear of women ins…
/r/ExRedPill21/02/22 04:31 PM
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Okay. My personal advice. (1) Respect your feelings. Don’t ignore these feelings because you think you’re being a “good person”. Respect them. Putting yourself in situations where you feel ashamed about your relationship is going to destroy said relationship. (2) Take it slow. Don’t overexpose your relationship to the public. Develop it with her privately. As you do, and your confidence grows, so will your tolerance for public exposure. (3) Let her help you. Realize you’re dating someone who is …
/r/ExRedPill17/02/22 03:28 PM
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Thank you! I think so too! 🥰
/r/ExRedPill07/02/22 01:04 PM
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As Jump said, the place to start making male friends. However, I’ll add that when you do, what you should strive to do is develop your empathy - not share your views. Your mission is solely to understand how men feel and why. You have to recognize that your beliefs must be inaccurate to some degree, and your present issue is that you do not understand where the realism ends and your bias begins. Therefore - you can’t trust what you came to believe is true. You also can’t change it until you know…
/r/ExRedPill05/02/22 10:52 PM
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Thanks for that! When I was younger I was extremely career-oriented, ambitious, etc. I’m still like that, but there’s another side to me as well that enjoys nurturing people and animals - and it’s what I’m good at. It’s also a side I can’t show too often because if I do, people interpret it as weak and something to disrespect. I’m very anti-red pill but I’m also a big fan of the idea that people should be entitled to their own individuality. If I have a girly, nurturing side, and I want to raise…
/r/ExRedPill05/02/22 10:34 PM
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The important thing is that you lead by example and inspire other men through your actions so they can find their own definition of empowered masculinity. I agree, that is what we’re doing. It’s nice to have a relationship without the weirdness of sex wars involved!
/r/ExRedPill05/02/22 07:25 PM
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I’d like to add to my guy’s post here and say that when he says “step up” what he means is don’t try to make yourself more valuable by making someone else less valuable. Don’t play status games. If you find a woman you love, respect, and admire, it’s your job to figure out how to be true to your definition of what masculinity means to you, without it coming at her expense. The point is to find someone to empower and lift up. The more a person trusts you not to try to control or demean them, the …
/r/ExRedPill05/02/22 05:56 PM
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Me too! ❤️
/r/ExRedPill05/02/22 05:40 PM
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I wouldn’t call that the opposite of red-pilling. The red pill movement isn’t about gender roles, imo. The core of red-pill is the concept of the status hierarchy. Therefore the opposite of red-pill is equality. Red-pill wants to decrease women in terms of status so they are lower than men by comparison. I’ve met very few psychologically healthy women that will actually allow that, though. Most women will become stronger in response to that kind of behavior, because if we don’t, we’ll get walked…
/r/ExRedPill05/02/22 05:39 PM
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Don’t worry G. You know I understand that! 😉 That’s why I’m here right? I’ll get you to see reason when your hackles are up & you can do the same for me. Nobody can accuse us of being door mats, that’s for sure. 😂
/r/ExRedPill05/02/22 05:28 PM
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The answer is yes, I would pay for a date. I’m probably not going to insist upon it though if he insists on paying, because that comes from a place of moral value for him, and I don’t need to assert my competence to keep things equal between us. I’m happy to let him be the man he wants to see in himself, and appreciate him for it, because he lets me do the same, and we’re both pretty stubborn about our own self-expectations.
/r/ExRedPill05/02/22 05:26 PM
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So, I know OP’s response came across as a little hostile, but part of that, I think, is him feeling misunderstood. He’s come a VERY long way from the recovering red pilled man I met. I think it’s insulting to him that you think he’s still red-pilled, not because he doesn’t want to see it in himself, but because it’s an unfair and untrue accusation. His sense of moral value is pretty strong, and he’s worked so hard on understanding the truth and becoming the best version of himself - so the assum…
/r/ExRedPill05/02/22 05:23 PM
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Haha. Down boy! I don’t think you actually read what the commenter said. Both men and women step up in their way, and find a system that works out for the both of them. It was actually a very good comment! 😉
/r/ExRedPill05/02/22 04:31 PM
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I don’t think you need to know if being with a single mom has “ever worked out”. Obviously it has. That’s a silly question if you think of it. What you’re really asking is “will this work for me?”, and nobody can give you a straight answer. Your fault here is to label and categorize. So what if she has a kid? What are her morals and values? Is she kind? A good person? Does she have close relationships with people in her life, or is she socially isolated? Is she devoted to her kid, or negligent? …
/r/ExRedPill05/02/22 05:04 AM
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Not only that - but you need to cheat because you need women to tell you that you’re valuable. That’s really where it comes from. In fact, personal insecurity is the common factor is almost any case of cheating you find. For example, when women cheat, it’s often emotional. They look for a guy who treats them kindly and fills a friend-like function, who will listen to their problems and encourage them. Then they end up “falling in love” (so they think) and cheating on their partners with this emo…
/r/ExRedPill12/01/22 10:26 PM
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OP is clearly baiting people so he can troll them. There’s nothing wrong with this guy except for the way he’s posed in this picture. He looks insecure because of how he’s holding his hands. He’s scowling, and the picture is taken at an unflattering angle. The dress sense is pretty attractive, though, and I’d consider him - but it depends. Some guys who dress like this are shallow, vain, and sexist. If he were a nerdy guy with a lot of passion & a little socially awkward, I would find him to be …
/r/ExRedPill27/12/21 12:37 PM
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I do vicariously understand the confusing lose-lose situation imposed on modern men from the numerous conversations I’ve had with men about their feelings and experiences. That leaves men vulnerable to getting hijacked by toxic media, like The Game. Especially when they are in their early teens, when they don’t have knowledge, experience, and wisdom to protect themselves from being brainwashed. This is the red pill narrative: - You are suffering needlessly - This doctrine will save you, if you m…
/r/ExRedPill09/12/21 09:36 PM
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My anti-Game philosophies are based in science, statistics, and reason… But it’s far too much to get into on a simple comment. Suffice it to say - these methods are great for picking up a very small percentage of women who are usually toxic, abused, unfaithful, or have mental health issues, and the same people would have been receptive to you if you had just had the courage to ask. Men won’t believe this, though, because unfortunately our personal experiences bias us against facts. For example -…
/r/ExRedPill07/12/21 01:41 AM
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Good. Be scared - your instincts are totally justified. Red pill teaches them to psychologically break women down and manipulate them. Do not date red pill guys - ever. They’re basically predators. It’s the #1 thing to need to protect yourself against these days, because it’s insanely common. Books like “The Game” and “The Art of Seduction” are good material to acquaint yourself with. I, too, avoid consuming the sexist content for the same reason (and material like that can bias you against men …
/r/ExRedPill02/12/21 03:21 PM
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Thanks :)
/r/ExRedPill29/11/21 11:07 PM
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Here are my guesses as to what is going on, based on what I understand from the men I’ve known. At his age, he’s trying to find his identity and his place in society. He wants to understand how he is seen by others, and especially, the male peers (and older males) that he admires. Feeling like a man makes him feel loved, respected, and appreciated by other men. In the absence of more firm values and morals from his upbringing, he will be vulnerable to adopting the ideologies of older men who rea…
/r/ExRedPill29/11/21 07:05 PM
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This is my line of thinking tbh. I’m a woman with a business, and it’s not making money yet because it just started a little under a year ago, but I’d happily be a sugar momma for a sweet, supportive guy who will help me manage the stress of my life. I absolutely would not mind being the bread winner…it’s just hard, sometimes, when I feel like the world is against me and there’s no one there to back me up. I’m like a team of 1. Having someone by my side would have been nice, but I gave up on dat…
/r/ExRedPill29/11/21 06:45 PM
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Thanks for the wonderful response! I feel complemented - it’s nice. Haha. I share your frustration with the low quality responses. I used to try to encourage people to speak on a more significant level, but I just gave that up eventually. I think all children, and people in general really, have natural instincts to generalize based on objective qualities. It’s what you do in that state of mind that makes the difference between a person who is intellectually, socially, and emotionally mature, and…
/r/ExRedPill22/11/21 04:08 PM
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Much of what we realize is true when we switch the genders. I wanted to write more but I’m short on time at the moment - I have a bleached carpet incubating. You’re an interesting person to talk to, though, and I think we could take this conversation further at some point. I’m going to try to remember to get back to your message to respond properly, but if I can’t, and you still want to talk about this subject - go ahead and DM me. I have feedback for the various things you pointed out and I thi…
/r/ExRedPill20/11/21 10:49 PM
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I’ve spoken to a lot of men on this sub, and most of the men on this sub are recovering from red pill, or still red pilled and trying to challenge an opposite opinion covertly. However, I think women tend to talk more, read longer posts, and are more forthcoming with guidance when it comes to men overcoming sexism. You’re probably not going to find a lot of men helping other men to recover from their biases against the female sex, which is largely what red-pill is. I understand (from a third par…
/r/ExRedPill20/11/21 10:42 PM
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I find that philosophy from men quite a bit…that it would be “unfair” to date a woman they’re not quite attracted to enough. Women seem to view things differently, in my opinion. Their idea of “unfair” is to judge someone based solely on their appearance, rather than their beliefs or behaviors. Isn’t it interesting - the different ways men and women view unfairness? Personally, I’ve come to believe that it stems from what each sex (typically) seems to long for. Women want to be loved for what ma…
/r/ExRedPill20/11/21 07:54 PM
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It’s funny how red pill tries to be poetic with their dogma, while also saying nothing of merit.
/r/ExRedPill20/11/21 07:50 PM
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Lol. That is so true. A man’s past is pretty paramount. If he doesn’t have good friendships, family relationships, or he’s been a player, a criminal, or a druggie - you’re looking at someone who is very likely dysfunctional.
/r/ExRedPill20/11/21 07:49 PM
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I respectfully would like to say that I don’t think that the “men are from Mars, women are from Venus” view is detrimental. If I might share an opinion here…I actually think our new modern perspective is more detrimental, because while gender does exist on a spectrum, it is still a bell curve spectrum. The bulk of men and women fall into the “average” category in terms of the way their sex expresses, from what I can see so far based on the research I’ve read and my own personal experiences. Here…
/r/ExRedPill20/11/21 07:47 PM
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I personally think it’s a misconception that women compete (naturally) with each other at all, really. I know there are women who adhere to that philosophy, at least on the outside, but I believe that it has more to do with holleywood tropes and the media they’re exposed to. The tendency to evaluate an object or being in terms of its objective attributes (weight, size, texture) or its movement/shape is largely a tendency of male brains. Which isn’t to say there aren’t some females like this, too…
/r/ExRedPill20/11/21 07:37 PM
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That’s a good question. I think I’ve seen it the other way around, to be honest. Which makes sense, if you think about it. If your society values family and social bonding, for example, the children you raise are less likely to focus on their careers and more likely to focus on “natural values” as you put it. I think that’s one reason why we can tend to be a bit obsessive over fame and fortune in the US. That seems to not apply across the board evenly, though, between ethnicities. It seems to be…
/r/ExRedPill20/11/21 03:29 PM
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I don’t think there’s many people who can say it’s “disvalued”, but the degree to which these things are valued varies significantly from what I’ve seen of cultures. Cultures that value these things far less seem to greatly prioritize family. Also, though, I think that the way in which different cultures define “status” is very important, because not all cultures view being high in a hierarchy as being “that important”. So, for example, the Germans seem to greatly value pride and ingenuity. A pe…
/r/ExRedPill19/11/21 08:12 PM
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Edit: Hope you can read this before it gets removed. Apparently I’m not allowed to say I’ve read studies without sourcing, but I think you can see that with a conversation like that, there isn’t time to cite every study I’ve ever read on the subject. At least not for a casual Reddit comment. Thanks for the respectful discourse! I appreciate you taking the time to read all of that, in particular. I think that this train of thought is one which simplifies a complex phenomenon to a fallacious degre…
/r/ExRedPill19/11/21 07:54 PM
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I agree with vcreativ in that I believe you’re suffering more from a personality problem, stemming from inaccurate beliefs about the way women think and feel. One of the reasons I say this is because your post is very centered around your physical appearance as being the major factor of mate selection for females, followed by your status as a male. These are predominantly male neural circuits you are using, though, to form those opinions. The typical female brain is wired differently from the ty…
/r/ExRedPill17/11/21 04:10 PM
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I grew up in a wealthy area and status and money are turn offs for me because I hate being around men that are shallow and judgmental. I’m successful enough to be satisfied with my life, and I want to be with a partner that makes me feel happy, confident, inspired, and adventurous. Men who are focused on their own personal success aren’t like that. They’re stressful, critical, and often cold. Why be with someone like that? I might as well keep my money and time to myself. The only reason to date…
/r/ExRedPill17/11/21 03:39 PM
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Takes hard work to get out of it. Good on you. I went through a brief period of misandry, and while I think it didn’t show too much in my behavior or my treatment of men, it definitely came through in my debates about sexuality. I came to the same conclusion you did - people like that don’t deserve the love of the opposite sex. You earn it - you’re not entitled to it.
/r/ExRedPill22/10/21 02:49 PM
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The habit to do this comes from the fact that the sensory area of your brain is so active. You can channel activity from that area of the brain to another by keeping your mind engaged. When you’re speaking to people, analyze what they are saying, ask yourself follow up questions, and keep your brain engaged in the conversation. This will activate different brain regions and your eyes will stop wandering so much.
/r/seduction17/10/21 08:50 PM
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lol…I think there’s a good chance OP isn’t even a male.
/r/ExRedPill16/10/21 09:37 PM
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Never read/watched that I think - or I can’t remember it - but I think you’re letting it in a little too deep. Content like this should be consumed on a superficial level.
/r/ExRedPill16/10/21 09:27 PM
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Thanks. No need to treat it seriously. Lol. If anything, it just shows how funny that ridiculous notion is. It’s a good thing to laugh.
/r/ExRedPill16/10/21 09:23 PM
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Yeah…I mean you can tell by how hilariously illogical the concept is. “A campaign to produce as many boys as possible” should be your dead give away that this is a joke, because you can’t produce boys without producing girls. Also, OP is mocking the irony of the “a world of only men” idea, contrasting a literate writing style with slang terminology. I take it to be comedy, but if you think OP is trying to be nasty, then that would mean they’re trolling. Regardless, it’s not a serious post. Ravin…
/r/ExRedPill16/10/21 09:06 PM
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Am I the only person who understands this is comedy?
/r/ExRedPill15/10/21 09:14 PM
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Red-Pill = Illogical Just accept that they’re morons that have no clue, and your life will get so much easier. (I would comment on what you actually said but I don’t even really know what it means. Women sleep with guys they know, trust, and who make them feel good. They’re not going to trade this in for a dubious stranger they have no rapport with.)
/r/ExRedPill15/10/21 06:14 AM
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(Female) I’m attracted to guys that are always challenging themselves and pushing their limits, because I do that myself. I also like guys that own their own weaknesses instead of blame shifting. It’s that inner strength that I admire in them, and it’s the idea that they’re their own man, and they don’t just listen to what society tells them - they fight for their right to be who they are and be free. That inspires me and I feel so attracted to it.
/r/seduction14/10/21 01:44 AM
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Maybe there’s some way you can get the two of them together in one room, and casually bring up the topic of red-pill. Say how you think it’s a shame that men think this way, and ask your female friend her thoughts. Get her talking about how she feels about the way men treat women, and ask her what she advice she might give a friend of hers who is dating an rp guy. He’s in a lot of pain and he’s not willing to listen to women, but if you don’t give him the choice, he can’t unhear what she says. I…
/r/ExRedPill14/10/21 01:27 AM
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Now that’s a weird one I haven’t heard before… interesting thought though. I haven’t found it to be true, and I think what I’ve researched so far would tend to disagree with that, because we tend to be more attracted to people who have a genetic makeup that is more diverse from our own. Maybe what you’re seeing has more to do with the fact that people tend to date people they can relate to and are close to from a location standpoint? If anything, we choose dogs that have similar faces! 😂
/r/ExRedPill14/10/21 12:52 AM
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I don’t say that you’re “shallow”. This suggests all you have are shallow beliefs. I said you are “shallow-minded”. You’re assuming, firstly, that women are shallow. Secondly, your choosing to criticize your face, which you can do nothing about (actually, in some cases, there are things you can do to have a nicer looking face, but nobody can give you advice like that if they can’t see your face to help). I also get the feeling you’re asking for help for this problem, but you don’t want it. I get…
/r/ExRedPill13/10/21 02:32 PM
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You’re so hung up on your face that it makes you superficial and depressed. If you want to get laid you have to actually start looking for the truth and putting the work in. Right now you’re shallow-minded and you think pretty piss poor thoughts about the opposite sex. I promise you, it’s not your face. It’s your beliefs.
/r/ExRedPill13/10/21 09:51 AM
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Some men do seem to have quite high standards in a way. Women seem to have standards revolving around “have your life together”, but for the men I’ve talked to it seems to be things like “I want a redhead”. Which is kind of unfortunate, because you can change your dress sense, for example, but most of your physical attributes are never going to change.
/r/ExRedPill09/10/21 12:20 PM
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I’ve read studies that suggest men only pursue a small percentage of available women that would be considered the most attractive, and in my experience this has been true. In highschool, for example, it was the “popular girls” that got attention, and most of the rest of us did not. We would just have crushes on guys and watch longingly from a distance while they talked to the popular extroverts. That’s just reality whether you’re a male or a female…it reminds me of that Taylor Swift Song “You Be…
/r/ExRedPill09/10/21 12:18 PM
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What you’re seeing is the difference between reality and the delusion of media. This has had a profound impact on our society. During the boomer era, being employed, even if you were a waitress, was seen as being a hard-working, contributing member of society. This concept began to change as super models became popular, living conditions became urbanized, and the MTV boom happened. This was known as the “latchkey” generation, because this was the first generation to grow up predominantly with tw…
/r/ExRedPill08/10/21 11:34 AM
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Thanks :)
/r/ExRedPill05/10/21 06:19 PM
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Ahh, well let me clarify, if you don’t mind? The thing is that I responded with the bare minimum…but not what I think is widespread. Does that make sense? I also don’t think these things are traits dependent on a person’s sex. Maybe I didn’t understand your question properly, or didn’t understand the intent behind it. These are things I’ve personally seen in my life and in my experiences with guys where, in my mind, I feel like these people aren’t meeting the bare minimum. I don’t have a lot of …
/r/ExRedPill05/10/21 06:19 PM
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Well you asked what the bare minimum is that guys don’t do.
/r/ExRedPill03/10/21 01:11 PM
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You’re objectively observing a behavior and then subjectively interpreting it based on your own perception of the world. That isn’t logical. You’re saying that “status matters” to women because they gravitate towards popular men and popular women gravitate towards each other. Have you ever stopped to realize that what you’re describing is extroversion? Extroverted people attract extroverted people, and because they are extroverted they put more effort into their appearance. Further to that, men …
/r/ExRedPill02/10/21 02:05 PM
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In my teens there were five guys that were interested in me throughout my entire highschool career. In my early twenties, there was a time when there were three guys who were interested in me at once. Other than that, there were usually two guys (these were the times I was single, mind you). In my late twenties it was back to occasionally one guy who would be interested in me. I don’t count PUAs though. These are men I knew personally…I’ve never gone out with a stranger. It’s weird behavior, eve…
/r/ExRedPill02/10/21 01:54 PM
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I’m a woman, and I still don’t understand what social status is…and I think it’s stupid. There are all kinds of ways to impress me. For me, in particular, I greatly value intelligence and logic and if you’ve spent a lot of time honing your mind, I find it attractive. I don’t care if you work at McDonalds…I have my own money. I do care if working at McDonalds makes you feel like crap about yourself though, because I just don’t like to be around people who feel like they’re losers because that bad…
/r/ExRedPill02/10/21 01:12 PM
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Here are some common bare minimums for the guys I’ve been with: - Don’t leave half-eaten food laying around your trashed bedroom - Don’t drink to get drunk 3+ nights a week (same for drugs) - Putting down your phone/pausing your video game when she’s trying to tell you something - At the bare minimum, pretend to care about her feelings even if you don’t - Having sex also means you hang around together afterwards (Never dated a guy like this but I’ve heard of it, and it makes women feel really us…
/r/ExRedPill02/10/21 12:49 PM
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Lol. Don’t say that too loudly on Reddit - especially exredpill. The feral humans that can’t take a joke will jump on you and attack you 😬
/r/ExRedPill28/09/21 10:41 PM
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Aww…thank you! That’s so sweet!
/r/ExRedPill28/09/21 10:25 PM
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Hey there! I think I can genuinely help you! I really want to because I went through almost the exact same struggle (I wasn’t red-pilled, but I had a phase of misandry), and nobody was able to help me. I had a lot of exposure to people that affirmed my fear though - like you do with red pill. I don’t want to make this comment too long, so I’ll forgo the backstory. After bad relationships & and bad information, I came to decide that men can’t really love the way women love, and they simply don’t …
/r/ExRedPill28/09/21 09:46 PM
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Right, so it isn’t logical to think that you can interpret the reasons behind the behavior of the opposite sex when that behavior is subjective to the nature of their sex
/r/ExRedPill28/09/21 03:47 PM
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Aww thanks! I had to look that up to figure out what was going on. Lol.
/r/ExRedPill27/09/21 01:55 PM
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If your premise is that men and women are fundamentally different, therefore necessitating learned “technique”, then assuming that men can interpret the intent behind the behavior of women accurately without empathizing with, relating to, or learning about the female perspective from a woman, is a logical contradiction because it invalidates the foundation of your stance. Men cannot interpret the subjective psychological experience of women without the input of women. Objectively interpreting th…
/r/ExRedPill27/09/21 06:13 AM
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Honestly, I’m a woman and I don’t care. Actually it’s sometimes preferable, because if we’re having a scientific or objective conversation, using objective terms depersonalizes the subject matter. However, if you don’t use the objective term for your own sex as well (if you are a man), it feels dehumanizing. If you say “men” and “females” together in the same conversation, it is a way of saying you don’t relate to women, and don’t care to try, because you think seeing women as individuals and ap…
/r/ExRedPill27/09/21 05:28 AM
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Yeah I really wish I knew. Don’t want to screw up their stats though.
/r/ExRedPill24/09/21 02:22 PM
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I didn’t contradict myself, I explained how when you’re not focused on “approaching women” but simply talking to people in general for the sake of having a positive interaction, people become more receptive to you. Those were the only situations where I had a male stranger talk to me out of nowhere, and actually wanted to continue the conversation. Anyways - this feels like an invitation to fight, and I’m not interested. Enjoy your day.
/r/seduction19/09/21 02:42 PM
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I assumed that it just picked that name to be facetious
/r/ExRedPill19/09/21 11:29 AM
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To an extent, this is advice I have used myself. Do I go around asking out curvy women? No. However I’ve had to go around promoting my business to strangers - which is also something that inconveniences people. This is what helped me overcome my social anxiety and be able to talk to strangers, and actually have them listen to me rather than having them want to get out of there ASAP. The reason I shared my personal experience as someone who is curvy is that I feel like OP would benefit from heari…
/r/seduction19/09/21 11:27 AM
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It’s a troll. Piss on it and leave it to die.
/r/ExRedPill19/09/21 12:48 AM
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Curvy female here. I have a perspective I think can help you, because I used to struggle with some social anxieties myself, and I also used to attract a lot of male attention. Point one. I absolutely got overly-approached by men when I was in college and it was a nightmare for me. I’m an introvert, and I absolutely hate hurting peoples feelings. Rejecting a pick up could sometimes ruin my whole day because I felt so bad turning down someone who had been nice enough to compliment me that way. A c…
/r/seduction18/09/21 08:44 PM
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Speaking as a woman - they don’t seem to actually practice what they preach. That’s what makes them so difficult to avoid, because so many of them don’t follow those behaviors. However, I’ve also been on the forums where a bunch of guys are complaining that they’ve tried these methods and they’re not working, and I’ve watched YouTube videos where red pill guys claim that if the methods don’t work for you, you’re “doing them wrong”. Some of the people who complain that they can’t get a date also …
/r/ExRedPill18/09/21 02:16 PM
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No, it goes deeper than that. Firstly, I do think generalizations are useful. That’s a conversation in and of itself. However, I think a lot of the problems we, as a society, are facing with generalizations (in particular when it comes to the generalizations of the sexes or political factions), stems from our comfort with reacting to would-be objective conversations with an emotional response. I don’t want to say I look down on that, though, because everyone does this by instinct. It’s how the b…
/r/ExRedPill14/09/21 07:05 PM
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Thanks! Glad you like the tip - it’s helped me a lot!
/r/RedPillWives12/09/21 09:20 PM
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I would, but I really don’t want to spend the time looking them back up again :/ When I write those comments it takes 40 mins min usually to find all of the sources I need to pose a proper argument, and since I already researched the subject, I’m just not eager to spend that time because there are some other projects I’ve been working on like some brain work & I just took up sculpting… Honestly I should save these things to my computer - but I’m just not that organized or traditionally social en…
/r/RedPillWives12/09/21 02:41 PM
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I’m really trying to understand you here, but I just can’t. Everything I say will be interpreted in a villainous light. I tried to be respectful in acknowledging that I can’t understand what men are going through, not being a man myself, but that doesn’t mean I haven’t put the work in. I spent the last 4 years of my life, at least, actively seeking out men to ask them about their struggles and discuss their perceptions. Three days ago, I tried an “empathy experiment” based on my neurological res…
/r/MensRights12/09/21 02:55 AM
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So, if your goal is to try to discredit me based on my character, rather than my points, I think you could do better. A good way to reveal that someone is manipulative is to ask them what they believe, and then why. People who are lying to you and saying they believe something they don’t are also not the people who put thought and effort into why their beliefs are right, because they’re fakers. That’s a more effective way for you to uncover the “true nature” of people you believe to be evil, in …
/r/MensRights11/09/21 05:21 PM
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The issue I’ve had with MGTOW isn’t what it stands for, but it’s the idea I’ve heard from men who identify with this that women are controlling them, in some fashion? Essentially, not allowing them to pursue an individualistic life? There have been men throughout history that didn’t marry. Nikolai Tesla, for example. In fact, it seems like it was more common place for me who devoted their lives to the arts, sciences, religion, or philosophy to remain single. At any rate - I completely support th…
/r/ExRedPill11/09/21 01:24 PM
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Excellent response 👏
/r/ExRedPill11/09/21 12:56 PM
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“And not even a chance to make a friend?” Aww. 🥺 I didn’t think guys cared much about that part.
/r/ExRedPill11/09/21 12:54 PM
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No, it’s published. I sourced studies on it a year or so ago when I was writing a YouTube comment about the prevalence of one-night stands.
/r/RedPillWives11/09/21 12:51 PM
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Okay, so yeah - this is a civil court issue, I believe. Based on the fact that he got a settlement from what I remember reading - they did pursue legal action.
/r/MensRights11/09/21 12:50 PM
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You should start by identifying that the problem is your brain, and realizing that it is actually possible to learn to control it. Can you become someone who is interested in learning, even if you’re not particularly ambitious? If you can learn how to make learning exciting, that will open the flood gates for you. The more you learn, the more ambition you’ll get. Your lack of energy comes from a belief that nothing you do will work. When you learn how things work, you realize certain things have…
/r/ExRedPill08/09/21 09:26 PM
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This is the first I’m hearing of blackpill.
/r/ExRedPill08/09/21 09:13 PM
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Are we mostly women? 😅 Oh man…I hope that’s not the case.
/r/ExRedPill08/09/21 09:09 PM
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Absolutely. Some of it is real, and helpful. MOST of it, though, will exhaust your brain, break you down, and rob you of the hormones necessary to maintain psychological health consistently. I’ve been working on my own anxieties, actually. You don’t need a therapist to do what I do - you can actually do this at home with some pretty easy methods. If you’re interested, message me! Happy to share :)
/r/RedPillWives08/09/21 09:02 PM
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So, don’t take this as criticism, or me saying I’m assuming you’re coming from a bad place - this isn’t judgement, it’s just food for thought. I don’t know anything about you personally, so, you know, I can’t speak for you. As for myself, I’ve had a habit in the past of assuming intentions based on someone’s speech/argument that weren’t actually what they believed at all. When someone points out the great things men have done throughout history, I think that unless they explicitly try to argue t…
/r/ExRedPill08/09/21 09:00 PM
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Also if the two large-scale rape studies for females hold true to this day (there a bit outdated), the prevalence of rape in the US would be somewhere around 15-20% prior to the age of 30, if I remember correctly and most of that happens to women under 16 years of age. So you’re talking about a sizeable portion of the female population. It shouldn’t be a surprise, therefore, that they largely represent the demographic of women that pursue casual sex.
/r/RedPillWives08/09/21 06:56 PM
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Thanks! Yeah. I find it to be common. It seems that abuse victims seek casual sex more commonly than women who weren’t victims of abuse. Which isn’t to say women who weren’t don’t sometimes find that casual sex is what works best for them. I’m definitely not judgey about that. I just think that it’s not typical behavior for typical females, and the data backs that up. It doesn’t mean people don’t have a right to live an a-typical lifestyle. Like I said, that open couple I knew who enjoyed casual…
/r/RedPillWives08/09/21 06:53 PM
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Did somebody downvote that….? 🤣 Oh wow.
/r/ExRedPill08/09/21 06:18 PM
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I’m glad that you feel that way! I also think this perspective is absolutely hilarious. I argue these redpillers do not know any Asian wives. Asian wives are notoriously domineering, and I’ve known several myself. There’s plenty of comedy on how dominant Asian wives are - much of it done by Asian children talking about their mothers. The same is true of Indian wives, by in large, it would seem. This is just misogynists being illogical again. Being illogical is what they do best.
/r/ExRedPill08/09/21 06:12 PM
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I had casual sex once in my life and seriously regretted it afterwards. The only reason I did it was because the media glorified it so much I thought I was missing out on my youth. Also, I thought this is something that cool women do, and that men like a woman who is a bit of a “bad girl”. Immediately after having casual sex I hated myself for it, and realized my body just doesn’t work that way. I’m not saying women should feel the way that I felt, but there’s probably at least some women who fa…
/r/RedPillWives08/09/21 06:08 PM
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Who is “we”? Thank you for being so polite! I really appreciate that effort. One of the reasons I didn’t really pose this argument in a more well-written fashion is because the initial comment was just a response to someone else’s comment and I doubted they would read it. Then I realized it was a good talking point for a post on this subreddit here. Since you seem like a reasonable person, let me clarify my stance here. Men don’t need women to not commit suicide - that’s ridiculous. The Dalai La…
/r/ExRedPill08/09/21 05:59 PM
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In particular, social exposure is a positive factor. So men who are red-pilled but socially exposed are most likely far less likely to commit suicide, because of that. Isolation, however, is a major risk factor. If we also take Red Pill to be a risk factor, based on the evidence presented here, then it follows that a man who is both red-pilled and isolated is at an increased risk of suicide. One that might warrant a degree of intervention. One of the most insidious qualities of red pill is that …
/r/ExRedPill08/09/21 05:41 PM
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Yes! Very true. Absolutely. So many people interpret causation where there should not be causation. In particular, I don’t think loneliness is the cause of suicide (nor is Red Pill. It’s not like Red Pill condones suicide)… These things are correlative with suicide victims. That’s useful information, but it’s important to make that distinction, because two men who went down virtually the same life path are not going to both end up with the same outcomes.
/r/ExRedPill08/09/21 05:37 PM
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The issue here is types of “control”. There’s toxic control and beneficial “control”, which probably shouldn’t even be called “control” but it’s what we label it as. Women who are well-organized, keep a well-managed household, and discipline their children well are not all toxic, but we do call that “control”. Toxic control is when you put down your spouse and micromanage their life.
/r/RedPillWives08/09/21 05:32 PM
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Exactly. Plus…the thing is, she might not be attracted to you yet. At least not in the “dating” sense. Guy friends I’ve developed an attraction for we’re usually my friends for at least two months before I really started wanting to be with them. I can’t fall in love with a picture. I need to see a man in action. Whether it’s getting to know his style, his skills, his interests, the way he treats others… All of these personality qualities sink into my brain to paint a picture of who he is as a ma…
/r/seduction08/09/21 05:10 PM
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When men don’t have female friends, I’m not gonna lie, part of me thinks they’re red-pilled, misogynists, or have otherwise bought into the friend zone narrative which I associate with manipulate people who can’t be trusted. It’s so hard, as a woman, to weed out guys like that these days because they’re not going to be honest about the head games they’re playing. One of the best ways to do it is to only consider men who have female friends, or who you meet through a friend of yours that can vet …
/r/seduction08/09/21 04:42 PM
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True! 👏
/r/seduction08/09/21 04:40 PM
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Well thank you for agreeing in part, I appreciate that! Believe it or not, I think there are plenty of men out there who aren’t misogynistic but feel the need to pose arguments to defend their sex because they feel as though their sex is being persecuted by mainstream media. As a woman, I understand what it feels like to feel like a large group of people is shaming your sex. Some of these people who voice these arguments may be misogynists, but if they are, to have someone who empathizes with th…
/r/ExRedPill08/09/21 04:39 PM
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Aww, thanks! :)
/r/RedPillWives08/09/21 04:17 PM
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No. It does not. What you’re doing here is taking an argument that didn’t say that men needed women, and assuming that was the intent behind it, and then attacking that stance instead of the actual argument. We all have a tendency to do that, but it’s a fallacy. Anyways…I have to go do chores now. Maybe if you come back later you’ll realize that isn’t what’s been said, and we can have a progressive conversation.
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 07:22 PM
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But to simplify it…”they” means those men. Not men. There’s a difference.
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 07:14 PM
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Again, I did not say men need to be loved by women to prevent suicide. But you’re putting words in my mouth and you didn’t really make an effort to understand my point, so I think spending time trying to explain it is not going to benefit either of us.
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 07:13 PM
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I did read your comments. If I didn’t do them justice, I’m sorry for that, because I appreciate you taking the time to respond the way you did. Thank you.
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 06:56 PM
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Well. That’s not what I said, but you do you.
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 06:55 PM
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Actually pretty sure that narrative comes from feminism - not red pill - because it is the narrative that women have been culturally oppressed. Women HAVE participated quite a lot, and you can easily voice that stance. However, in terms of building buildings and advancing science, men have done more than women have. It doesn’t mean that women weren’t capable of it. It doesn’t mean women didn’t participate. It doesn’t mean that women can’t run a society without men. It simply means that this is h…
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 06:51 PM
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Tysm
/r/seduction07/09/21 06:47 PM
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Oh, also! For the record! After I learned how men differ neurologically from women, I actually tried to “get in the mind” of a man for an evening while doing my chores. I know a bit about neurology and I practice mindfulness and meditation, so it’s not too hard for me to access certain areas of my brain if I concentrate. Anyways, after doing this for several hours - oh man. I had a headache and this squeezey feeling behind my eyes. My brain felt like a rung sponge. I was utterly exhausted. I sus…
/r/RedPillWives07/09/21 06:44 PM
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Our brains are wired differently. We have more activity in the pre-frontal cortex (planning) and hippocampus (memories), and higher natural feelings of anxiety and depression. So cognitively, women are risk-assessment wizards. You spend almost your whole life assessing risks and making sensible decisions. Men, meanwhile, are more neurologically activated on their sensory perception, and they have higher levels of dopamine, aggression, and lower levels of impulse control. So many spend most of th…
/r/RedPillWives07/09/21 06:37 PM
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I would just send her casual friendly messages and go for some other girl. You can still be friends with her. The friend zone is a myth. 2/3rds of relationships start between friends, and the more females you have in your social circle, the more women you meet that will be interested in you. When women see that you have female friends, they’re more likely to see you as an option. So just be friends with this girl but don’t let yourself focus on her. If she’s interested in you she’ll make it obvi…
/r/seduction07/09/21 06:23 PM
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If, in theory, you were to get crazy muscular, that goes away fast if you don’t work on it (from what I understand, having dated a body builder). Also, my ex was a little too big for my tastes to be honest, but that really did not matter. I learned to like it, because he liked it. He talked to me a lot about philosophy and other fascinating subjects and that’s what attracted to me. I really don’t think your body matters as much as you think it does. Women choose guys based on how the guys make t…
/r/seduction07/09/21 12:57 PM
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Their argument isn’t completely invalid. Men have been the most impactful sex in these fields throughout the course of human history. It doesn’t mean that women couldn’t have done these things if society were some kind of unrealistically perfect utopia, but by in large, women had to be home with their kids because taking care of kids is what they are better geared for biologically in a primitive society that relies on male dimorphism to protect and advance it. Try to understand where your oppone…
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 12:43 PM
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You don’t have to brush any of this to the side. For one thing, red pill encourages men to abandon their honor by forcing them to fake their masculinity and play a role. The economic argument isn’t supported by the data, from what I have found, because people live far more luxurious lives than their grandparents did. Being in a more expensive country is actually a good thing. And the information I cited in my sources lines up very accurately with the red pill (and similar) movements. If drugs we…
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 12:27 PM
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Well look at the argument and the sources and then decide. The problem with the sense of worth is that it comes at the cost of believing that the opposite sex is shallow and manipulative, which in the end, leads people to bitterness because they feel like they will never be loved the way they wanted to be loved, and the shitty dating advice leads them down the path of bad relationships that appear to confirm that (or no relationships, which is worse). It’s an incredibly toxic ideology, and it cl…
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 12:15 PM
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This is great advice! I love it!
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 02:39 AM
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I’m a woman. I actually don’t know any great books, to be honest…I spend most of my time reading studies online instead of books because I can search for them in a way that’s specific to the thing I want to learn. Some of the studies I linked in that comment I made address some of the things I mentioned! Let me know if something seems logically inconsistent or lacking to you! Also - if you do happen to find good books on the subject, happy to screenshot them and add them to my reading list!
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 02:39 AM
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A player is someone who manipulates someone by pretending they have real feelings for them when they don’t, just to get sex from them. The word almost always is used to describe a man.
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 02:37 AM
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We’ve had worse economies, worse circumstances, and things like war where men are being sent off to die for their country in droves, yet the suicide rate today when the world is better by most objective measurements is higher. Please read my original comment and look at the sources. The advent of the internet overlaps very well with the timeline of the Red Pill, and similar movements. Nothing is inherently dangerous in seduction, but the inaccuracies that men are being led to believe by movement…
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 02:36 AM
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Did you read my comments at all…? Just checking.
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 02:27 AM
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I’m talking about the game of seduction in general. Seduction has always been a thing, but the methodology, techniques, and manipulation tactics men use today are pretty knew… And speaking anecdotally, as someone who speaks to a large volume of men online, there’s only one guy I’ve met so far who isn’t immersed in red pill - and even he is aware of it. It’s extremely hard to escape this doctrine. You don’t have to read “the game” or practice cold pick ups. You just have to go virtually anywhere …
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 06:29 PM
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But the most successful method comes from having social circles with female friends, and I believe one of the sources I linked actually demonstrated that men with less physical appeal had higher success rates when dating friends. The reason for that, in my opinion, is because female attraction chiefly operates through female emotion, not visual stimuli. Brain scans of men and women show that female brains spend far more power processing emotions, language, and memories. So when you put yourself …
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 06:26 PM
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I love that. I think that’s what is missing in today’s society - respecting gender differences. I wish this was more active.
/r/RedPillWives06/09/21 06:18 PM
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So in short, yes. Repeated rejection due to acting on bad advice and harboring beliefs that are contradictory to the truth and self-sabotaging, does, indeed, lead to suicide in my opinion. I feel like there’s a pretty compelling trail of both scientific evidence and anecdotal evidence to support that conclusion. Edit: Especially because the suicide stats match up very well with the popularization of red pill and “the game”, when you look at the historical timeline of this behavior and overlay it…
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 05:53 PM
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Well, using a pick up line on a few women isn’t going to make you have suicide ideation. However, believing that this works to find love can, I think, from the posts I’ve read from men who talk about cold approaching hundreds of women and how it doesn’t work for them and now they’re in a pit of despair because they feel rejected and unloved. The problem is not cold approaching, itself. The problem is believing that cold approach works to find love, and the correlation of that belief to other bel…
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 05:51 PM
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Ahh! I love that. We have a huge issue these days with men being cast aside with their troubles and society/women failing to empathize with them. There’s not a lot of activity on this subreddit which is why I asked to begin with. It’s kind of hard to figure out what it’s all about. Especially because the name is confusing. “Red Pill Wives” makes it sound as though this is part of the Red Pill masculinity movement. Thanks for shedding some light on it! I’ll keep lurking then. I found a useful boo…
/r/RedPillWives06/09/21 02:52 PM
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Thanks! Yes, nice talk! I appreciate your responses. They were really helpful. Again, I really do appreciate the compassion and the effort you put into this. It’s nice to be able to speak on a human level to someone. I also have to get back to the real world! It’s been fun chatting, and thanks for accepting my messages. If I have questions somewhere down the line as I do more research into men’s rights, I’ll be sure to send them your way! You seem like a really cool person. Good job using rhetor…
/r/MensRights05/09/21 02:39 PM
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Aww thanks for asking on my behalf! That’s super sweet of you! It happens though. It’s okay! :3
/r/seduction05/09/21 04:38 AM
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I thought in boxing you tend to get your face bashed in…? I don’t know much about different fighting styles aside from karate tbh.
/r/seduction05/09/21 04:37 AM
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Oh shoot. I’m so sorry - I misread. I was speed reading and I’m listening to lectures at the same time. Would you like me to delete my comments? More than happy to. My bad.
/r/seduction05/09/21 04:36 AM
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Congratulations, and thanks for sharing! Massive respect for you already. Just keep it up. What’s attractive about the bad boy isn’t the bad part - but the fact that they are their own people who don’t let society define them. It’s sticking up for your right to be an individual that’s attractive, and having the courage to break the rules if you need to. What you’ll notice about bad boy archetypes in films is that they’re people with very strong redeeming features that speak to the core of who th…
/r/seduction05/09/21 03:59 AM
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Have you thought about volunteering? Working alongside a girl might make things easier for you. Study groups. If it’s not too far out of your comfort zone, dances classes. Also, though, start making friends with some nice women online and try messaging them and asking them questions. I think that simply talking to women first and realizing that most women are really nice will help you not be too afraid of what they might be thinking of you. One good thing to try is the library, and then when you…
/r/seduction05/09/21 03:19 AM
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Haha. Maybe that’s why it’s such a turn off!
/r/seduction05/09/21 03:10 AM
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It’s funny to me that we both peruse the seduction subreddit as a hobby. What an unexpected place to run into an INTJ. Do you practice practical seduction? Or do you learn about it for abstract purposes?
/r/seduction05/09/21 03:09 AM
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What?! You skip that part? That’s my favorite part. It’s all about the person, really, and figuring out how they perceive, believe, and reason out the world around them. They dates are weird. I wish I could skip doing things in the world and just go from my couch to his couch - from texting to talking. Well - I spent years researching male perception and studying male behavior, then I moved on to getting reports about the way men feel for better empathizing, now I’m researching men’s rights issu…
/r/seduction05/09/21 03:07 AM
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Prerequisite. I at least need enough conversation to allow me to analyze my fine male specimen and secretly desperately hope he will wish to analyze me as well. I’d like to think I’m at least a cool chick on the outside but, nope - just a flirty dork of an introvert. What can you do?
/r/seduction05/09/21 02:34 AM
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Don’t keep staring she probably already knows. Women are super aware of that stuff. Anyways it’s a terrible way to meet girls unless you see that girl regularly and you can stack the stares over time. A better way to meet girls is to just make casual friendships with some and let them introduce you to their friends.
/r/seduction05/09/21 02:30 AM
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Well your Willy’s style matters way more than his size 😉 The best guy I ever slept with was small but we got kind of kinky because I really trusted him and opened up to him. Sometimes I still think of him. Rock star in the bedroom 💕
/r/seduction05/09/21 02:27 AM
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Or don’t give a reason. Just say you don’t feel like there’s a connection there and you’re not really interested. That’s the gentlemen’s way to break it off.
/r/seduction05/09/21 02:23 AM
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Ahh okay. I mean, I think if it’s an occasional thing it can be attractive to see that much confidence. Some guys are so stoned on their ego they forget how to human with decency. Like they put other guys or women down, for example.
/r/seduction05/09/21 02:21 AM
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Don’t kiss her face then. Honestly it’s way hotter if guys kiss alternative areas. I also like it if they let touch do the talking. Best thing to start with though is prolonged eye contact. If she doesn’t break eye contact its basically a pretty sure go ahead for you. You can: Kiss the palm of her hand instead Tuck her hair behind her ear or play with the ends of her hair Scoot closer to her Put your arm on the back of the couch Kiss her shoulder, jawline, neck, or ear lobe Whisper in her ear If…
/r/seduction05/09/21 02:19 AM
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Oh. Since you’re sleeping with her I don’t think it means much of anything at all. I think it’s just like an acknowledgement that she saw you, because if she didn’t text you that’s sort of awkward since you did actually see her and she was with a dude. Hopefully this isn’t an exclusive relationship. If it is that would be a weird text to send you…
/r/seduction05/09/21 02:08 AM
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I recommend making friends with women, since they know other women, and having a woman talk to another woman for you is a good way to get around the trust barrier. As a female, myself, wingmen feel less trustworthy than wingwomen. Although I’ll say that having any kind of friends is a good sign.
/r/seduction05/09/21 02:06 AM
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I had trust issues from being played by men. The way I set them aside was just to realize that I didn’t want a relationship with someone I couldn’t trust. As much as it sucks you just have to continue to be genuine and not let it change who you are as a person - and let the a-holes in your life come and go. Don’t put up with people treating you like crap hoping they might change. If people put you down and make you feel bad they get the boot. Move on. And just know that the worst people tend to …
/r/seduction05/09/21 02:04 AM
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Holy cow this is epic advice
/r/seduction05/09/21 01:57 AM
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As a woman, guys seem to think there’s a lot more sexual tension in me than there is, and never seem to wait long enough. It’s better at the point I feel super desperate for one particular person because then my brain flips from “things might go wrong” to “I can’t stop this” mode and the fears go out the window. If you’re feeling reservations - I bet she feels them too. Follow the other commenter’s advice and just let a little bit of sexy body language through. You can even ask her questions tha…
/r/seduction05/09/21 01:57 AM
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This is great advice. I don’t want to be someone’s “prize” - it makes me an object and belittles the value of who I am on the inside. Just come talk to me and see if we connect. I just want company to move through life with. Anyone who makes me feel good adds to my enjoyment of life.
/r/seduction05/09/21 01:50 AM
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Yes!! This!
/r/seduction05/09/21 01:48 AM
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Whoops! Sorry. Didn’t mean to overthink you! :) Maybe it’s just my interpretation of the word “exclusively” - but I don’t like being the word police. What I’ve noticed about men, though, is they seem a lot more apt to take risks. I take a lot of risks. I like a thrill, but I don’t usually take risks where being permanently disfigured is a good possibility. I wouldn’t, for example, do professional boxing, because I don’t want to end up with a disfigured face. Plenty of women do though.
/r/seduction05/09/21 01:47 AM
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They don’t, actually… Well they make eye contact but then their eyes dart around to things in the room or they just slip lower, and lower - jk that doesn’t happen that often. But it has happened a couple of times. To me it’s funny but I guess some women find it offensive. I don’t really get offended unless someone puts the effort in. You have to earn it. But no, really, the not looking at me when I talk thing gives me anxiety because my brain gets polluted with a thousand possibilities as to why…
/r/seduction05/09/21 01:38 AM
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Yes! Thank you! I feel like us T dom girls get short changed here bc the stereotypical female archetype is the F dom. Intellectual conversations honesty make me frisky. If we’re vibing on the same thought wavelength, or I’m learning from you, I feel drawn. I just can’t help myself. It’s hot. (To me, you might just like this from a mate selection standpoint, as it’s practical)
/r/seduction05/09/21 01:32 AM
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Extra Credit: When you meet the tribe, smile and make eye contact with all females when introduced, and during conversations, deliberately ask the more quiet girls for their opinions. This demonstrates a level of social skills that women don’t expect in men, and displays compassion for women, which fellow women find sexy. Validating our fragile herd members makes you feel more like one of our own.
/r/seduction05/09/21 12:47 AM
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Thanks! I take that as a compliment, even if it’s the other friendzone. Friends are a good thing…lol. I just enjoy my guy friends simply because I like being around guys. If hanging out with guy friends makes my relationship with my below-blanket alone time more fulfilling - it’s just a double-win, ain’t it? (I jest. You don’t need to run, you’re good) You need to set the stage for a thing that multiple people would enjoy. I’m assuming you know the girl? In that case, you can ask her if she know…
/r/seduction05/09/21 12:43 AM
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Courage is not exclusive to men, but teaching guys to think that way will definitely red flag them with a quickness. What makes male courage so special is that many women grow up fantasizing about the male rescue scenario whereby a guy rescues a girl in distress. We also fantasize about rescuing our lovers. (Or trying to and dying in the attempt, it gets weird) Be honest about what is actually going on with female attraction because when you teach guys to view women as the lesser sex you teach t…
/r/seduction05/09/21 12:30 AM
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I feel like black American men actually tend to have more baby face features? But I do like that, yeah. It’s just that comes second for me. I’m way more concerned with how I think I’ll feel being with a guy than I am about physical attributes. Tons of guys give me that player vibe that activates some kind of primal fight or flight instinct. Especially if they’re cocky about their looks. I love confidence - but not ego. Ego is a major turn off for me.
/r/ExRedPill05/09/21 12:16 AM
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What seems like a common attribute with the black men I’ve been attracted to so how comfortable they are with their bodies and with talking to women. It could very well be that the racism they grew up with made them stronger somehow in that regard, but in the past, looking back on it, I feel like the black men I’ve talked to gave me really strong “be yourself” vibes. Just really mature people comfortable in their own skin that made me feel like they liked the female sex just for the sake of it, …
/r/ExRedPill05/09/21 12:06 AM
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I’m a woman, and cold approaches never worked for me. That’s kind of what you’re asking here. However there was one time in highschool where I got the biggest crush on this guy because I was sitting alone at my lunch table and he came and sat down and talked to me. I think he asked me my opinion on an intellectual subject, and then he said he liked the way I think or something, and then he just stood up….and…left. 😢 In college I was usually doing something if I was on my own and I didn’t like be…
/r/seduction04/09/21 11:56 PM
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I don’t know anything about RPW and I’m not a wife, but I’m a female. Curious to know what you guys are all about….so what’s on your mind?
/r/RedPillWives04/09/21 11:50 PM
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Here’s a question - why would anyone know that about you anyways? Why do you have to identify as an incel? Men who are virgins are not unattractive. I have a 24 year old guy friend who is a virgin and he’s waiting for the right woman to come along, and I think that’s one of his sexiest qualities. He clearly values women and wants to find love. I think what isn’t okay is to give up on your own internal self-growth. That’s something you always have to work on. When you become focused on developing…
/r/ExRedPill04/09/21 11:44 PM
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I meant the “reason” part.
/r/MensRights04/09/21 11:36 PM
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I think I might be an outlier in some ways though. I’m a more brainy/introverted kind of geek girl. But I know what I like & I’m not afraid to ask. I’m just really afraid that breaking that gender role rule will cause the guy to look down on me. So if I can get additional data, then I can get a better gauge on my chances. Also, I would think having female friends in your corner is good for girl fetch quests. I’ll happily talk up my male friends to a pretty girl and get a line on how interested t…
/r/seduction04/09/21 11:34 PM
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Female here. Two things consistently worked to activate hormones & one of them worked consistently for going on dates. Seeing men do something they have skill in always gave me sexy feelings. I don’t fall in love with a “picture”. It’s action that I find stimulating. Two guys I really had the hots for were both super short - way shorter than I was - but they could do these super amazing physical stunts, I think because their height gave them an advantage. But also music, dancing, singing, even c…
/r/seduction04/09/21 11:29 PM
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Well the rest of it comes from building general relationship skills.
/r/seduction04/09/21 11:13 PM
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Fantastic advice! Love it. View your fellow humans as your equals and they will like your vibe.
/r/seduction04/09/21 11:12 PM
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You noticed that too? In women, I know where it comes from. In men I never really got it.
/r/seduction04/09/21 11:11 PM
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Yeah Nobody wants to date someone desperate. You feel like they’re only with you because they think you’re the best they can do.
/r/seduction04/09/21 11:10 PM
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That works for you consistently…? I’ve encountered the big dick thinkers and it’s kind of been a turn off. Maybe I’m weirder than I thought.
/r/seduction04/09/21 11:09 PM
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For me (female) oversharing would be when you go into details about your insecurities. It’s cute when you say you’re nervous, but when you start to explain why it feels like your self-esteem hinges on my reaction and that makes me uncomfortable. Another big “overshare” that men seem inclined to do is talking about a bunch of other women and a lot of the things women have told them. If you say it in response to something I said it doesn’t feel weird - but if you just launch into it - it makes me …
/r/seduction04/09/21 11:08 PM
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That’s actually been true for me (a woman). My sex drive is part of my emotional fantasy function. When I see a guy with female friends I see confidence, maturity, and masculinity…unless he deliberately acts like a girl around them - that feels super manipulative and it’s a turn off. If he’s just being himself, enjoying the company of females, and they obviously enjoy his company too - it means I probably would. He’s a fun guy. Why wouldn’t he be? Other girls like being around him. Obviously he …
/r/seduction04/09/21 11:01 PM
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Happy Father’s Day!
/r/MensRights04/09/21 10:35 PM
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I used to do the back rubs while he played video games. Double win! (Or sometimes we watched something) It’s easier too if they lay down on their stomachs because some men are more muscular and if you can put your body weight behind it you don’t tire out so easily.
/r/MensRights04/09/21 10:05 PM
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Can you give us the town and state that this happened in? There’s a lot they can cover up but court notes can often still be found. Rapists that got swept under the rug have been ousted online by people who found the notes of their court case and published them online. Something has to be done. If it’s possible to make this public, there might be something we can do to help.
/r/MensRights04/09/21 10:01 PM
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I once lived next to a couple like this and the girl was batshit crazy, but extremely small - like 90lbs, and very, very sick. Like serious health problems sick. I believed her when she said her boyfriend was “abusive”, but I couldn’t help noticing that her own mother had a restraining order out on her and on further questioning she said things like he wouldn’t give her her meds when she was super sick and other very weird things. Then I ended up talking to her boyfriend one time and convinced h…
/r/MensRights04/09/21 09:59 PM
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This is a girl, not a guy. I wonder what the guys will think of this? I once wrote a bullet pointed list of all the things I loved about my guy - from little details like his nose, and the way he smells/the way his body feels when we cuddle, to the times he stood up for me or went out on a limb on my behalf…then I chickened out and never gave it to him. I don’t recommend the last part, but if this were given with the addition of a small gift - maybe even if the gift wasn’t that great, the list w…
/r/MensRights04/09/21 09:23 PM
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Best way to ask him might be to ask for Christmas list ideas…? But it would ruin the surprise and it wouldn’t have quite the same meaning bc it doesn’t show she was listening and paying attention so much as it shows she can check a line off a list.
/r/MensRights04/09/21 09:14 PM
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I would worry that if I had bought a video game for an ex boyfriend, it wouldn’t be something he had been looking forward to playing, but then he’d feel obligated to play it despite his list of top picks.
/r/MensRights04/09/21 09:11 PM
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Lol. That is so ridiculous. I hate how prevalent that is these days. Despite the fact I’m not always talking to the worlds finest in Reddit, I appreciate when people are allowed to have their opinions. We’ve got to stick up for free speech, and that sounds like it should have been a free speech subreddit. Frustrating - isn’t it? What was the minor rule that broke their sensitive egos?
/r/MensRights04/09/21 05:14 PM
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This would actually explain why we’ve seen such a rapid change, because I spoke grandma at length about her world growing up, and it was nothing like this. There was respect between men and women. They didn’t communicate, too much, but they didn’t bully each other either, and little boys were supposed to cry because that’s normal for children. I want to understand what changed, and I want to have real discussions about it from an objective point of view. I want to get down to the bottom of what …
/r/MensRights04/09/21 03:43 PM
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Now, when I try to discuss the people who responded to me, I’ve been trying to say “people”, not “men”…firstly because they might not all be men, but secondly because I agree with you that we need to separate the good people from the assholes, and not make that about sex. Once I got to that point in my life I was able to start untangling the truth. I think that some people here aren’t at that point yet because the pain cuts deep, and it’s hard to untangle feminism from women - I completely under…
/r/MensRights04/09/21 03:21 PM
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I’m sorry, you really don’t have to go through such lengths! However, I’d just like to say that no one has ever taken up this much of their time and energy to talk to me about this, and I deeply appreciate it - especially because English isn’t your first language! Nothing you have said here could EVER rile me up, and far from it, you’re honestly giving me a new appreciation for rhetoric. It’s mostly the use of pathos that bothers me, when it is used without the context of an argument that puts e…
/r/MensRights04/09/21 03:18 PM
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It’s not “we”, it’s you. Speak for yourself if you’re going to be hostile without showing the slightest inclination to make an effort. Other people shouldn’t be scapegoated for the way you treat strangers.
/r/MensRights04/09/21 03:02 AM
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You don’t need to answer any of that by the way. I just wanted to do your comment the justice of a decent response, but we all have restraints on our time, and I don’t expect a hand-hold here.
/r/MensRights04/09/21 01:52 AM
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It is a massive part of the problem! In fact, I would say it’s the bulk of the problem. However, the problem needs to be addressed before that public encounter happens. Women need to understand how men feel and how they perceive the world…but here’s the thing, and I know it absolutely seems like this is opposite to your own experiences (and I don’t belittle that at all)… But it seems to me, in talking to women, that the interest to understand men and how they perceive things is absolutely there …
/r/MensRights04/09/21 01:51 AM
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Oh, I deleted them because I know better than to write when I’m coming from a place of emotions rather than logic. It’s a state of mental vulnerability & that is where the mistakes are made. You seem to have handled it pretty well, though! I am actually a follow of most of those subs, except for the left wing one. I tend to avoid things that directly align themselves with politics on one side of the fence or the other, because the rules for what you’re forced to believe in are too narrow to allo…
/r/MensRights04/09/21 01:26 AM
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Anyways, from the conclusions I’ve drawn based on my own observations, it seems to me that the extremist gender roles wrought by mass media have been such that men have been cheated of being raised to process emotions constructively and discuss them. I do actually try to understand where my haters are coming from. I spent a solid hour on it today. Where I get stuck, though, is that I simply cannot relate to the feeling of hating someone who is both trying to make sense and trying to understand y…
/r/MensRights04/09/21 01:09 AM
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I also think your timeline might be a little bit off. When I was in gradeschool, there were a lot of anti-female cultural opinions - ie: women are stupid, women are weak, women are illogical and so forth. That had just started flipping around when I was in college which was about 10 years ago. I didn’t grow up with female role models. I don’t think we even had female superheroes…? I believe bat girl came around sometime when I was in highschool. We at least didn’t have them in Saturday morning c…
/r/MensRights04/09/21 12:52 AM
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Tysm for not downvoting - I actually do really appreciate it. I’ve been wanting to respond to this comment because it was well-done and I appreciate the way you went point-by-point. I can also tell that you’re really trying hard here to be civil, even though these issues are so close to home for you. I know how difficult that is. Part of the reason I didn’t respond sooner is that I’m on my phone and I wanted to wait until I got on the computer to see if I can do block quotes the way you’ve been …
/r/MensRights04/09/21 12:37 AM
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People like me come looking to hear you out and get branded the way the feminists branded people like you. You may see it as poetic justice, but I think if I were a man who advocated for men’s rights I would see it as selfish, because your behavior becomes the evidence the feminists use to oppress men.
/r/MensRights04/09/21 12:07 AM
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Thanks for the well-written response. I think outreach for the general public is definitely a solid approach, because you would attract a more diverse and reasonable audience. However, insofar as outreach on internet platforms is concerned - this is not men appealing to female empathy. An appeal to empathy doesn’t work if it also trigger’s a person’s defense mechanisms. There is a difference between venting and trying to help people understand you. There’s a reason people don’t generally vent to…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 11:57 PM
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Dang. Are you sure he can handle that truth bomb?
/r/seduction03/09/21 08:35 PM
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Your personality is a reflection of your beliefs and the way you feel about yourself and others. If your beliefs lead you to feel positively about yourself and others, the way you think about people shows on your face and in your actions, and they will want to be around you because your presence gives them dopamine. I recommend Buddhism. That helped me a lot with my personality. I was suspicious and fearful of most people, and it damaged myself esteem. I found it hard to make genuine connections…
/r/seduction03/09/21 08:34 PM
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Lol, yes. I agree.
/r/seduction03/09/21 08:20 PM
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Thank you, I will! You’re the one good thing that came out of writing this post. Thanks for reaching out to me and offering to share your knowledge - I really appreciate it, and I appreciate the support. I do think we need to speak up so that people realize that these extremist opinions are not shared by the majority of the population. The herd mentality society is afflicted with today really challenges the philosophical foundation of the value of free speech, because when a social minority is c…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 07:56 PM
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Oh man! I’m glad you told me that. I would have never guessed there were guys out there who didn’t want to be dads! Just kidding. Don’t take it personally or anything - I’m just trying to lighten the mood a bit! 😆
/r/MensRights03/09/21 07:35 PM
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Well the bottom line is that you can’t win by throwing either gender to the wolves, and the drive to do so is the thing that sabotages your message. That sounds like an interesting read! I’m actually getting ready for work too. Not sure how long I’ll be working tonight but I’ll probably at least take a dinner break and I’d love to hear some more book recommendations from you, or YouTube channels if you watch them! My understanding of men’s rights is still very young, I’ve only really started div…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:57 PM
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Oh, you weren’t joking. Sorry. No I do actually agree with you, and I’m still studying rhetoric myself, in fact. I still think, though, that the better way to create arguments that compel those who already disagree with you to believe you is through logic. When many of these people see rhetoric, they will use it to discredit you, even if they don’t realize they are doing it. I find it more persuasive to tack on rhetoric to the end of a logical argument so that you can bring conducive emotions on…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:36 PM
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Speak to real Muslim women. You’ll get a different story. The truth isn’t there for you to see with your own eyes because all the information that is being fed to you is filtered through what the media and government wants you to believe. I am not, at all, denying the oppression of Muslim women or belittling the intensity to which they suffer…however, you’ll find that those oppressed women are, in fact, the minority. At least in Oman and Pakistan. I can’t speak for other countries because I neve…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:32 PM
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I agree. It sucks to come here, knowing that, and see that the same extremism that contaminates so many movements has gotten to MRA too. On average, at least on the internet, people just don’t seem to have the ability, or maybe the empowerment, to use their brains anymore - and they don’t even seem to value it. This kind of sentiment isn’t what gave black Americans the comparative freedom they have today, just as an example, and I think that if we are to look at historically oppressed groups of …
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:27 PM
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I think if you had exposure to real women you might realize how badly the media is deluding people at the moment for the sake of a political chokehold. I only know one woman who is a feminist, and she never voiced a man-hating opinion - which isn’t to say she doesn’t have them, I don’t know. She keeps her ideas to herself because she knows better than to voice them in public…and to be fair, I’m mostly assuming that she’s a feminist, reading between the lines. Most women complain about feminism a…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:11 PM
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I don’t know how I would explain them to a son, and I chose not to have children. I think the system is twisted and sick, and we have to put a stop to it. I think that women these days have no idea how men are feeling and they have to learn to empathize - and I think it’s disgusting that any boy should feel ashamed about it’s sex. I felt that way growing up, although not to this sickening degree. I did write an example in my response to a first commenter, actually. The problem here is that rathe…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:04 PM
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Hard agree. Do you think there’s anything we can do to up the tone of this subreddit, or do you think I’m fighting for a lost cause here? I don’t usually meet this level of unwillingness to listen to reason, but then again, I don’t usually post on public forums like this, and I think Reddit probably attracts a lot of young people and a lot of people who feel very lonely/alienated. The issue is that this attitude is discrediting a valid, incredibly important humans rights movement that should not…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 02:57 PM
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I really appreciated your well-reasoned comment! Thank you for genuinely understanding where I am coming from. I appreciate it. I love that you know your fallacies!
/r/MensRights03/09/21 02:52 PM
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Hah. You’re funny. Improving rhetoric though is not that far off the mark, because if you use rhetorical devices intentionally and do not use them as a substitute for reason, they can be powerfully persuasive. However, fear is the most marketable emotion, and when you cause people to fear you by using appeal to emotion in a way that threatens them, you are marketing them towards your opposition.
/r/MensRights03/09/21 02:49 PM
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To be fair, this isn’t in response to what I said I don’t think. This is more like a summary of what you believe. No, I didn’t say that people are inherently bad - but there is a bell curve. Most people fall in the middle. It only takes a handful of people at one end to populate a terrorist group. Another implication you made here though was to suggest that their society is bad and if they were willing to integrate into ours they would become civilized. That isn’t the case. When not being terror…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 02:47 PM
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We are not largely ruled by emotions, and in fact, the degree of emotional extremism you see today is fairly new. It is also associated with undereducated opinions, because educated people are able to recognize rhetoric and fallacies, avoid them, and use them to their advantage. However, none of this is really the point. If you look at the feminist movement objectively, instead of repeating the idea that it has “always been this way”, you might realize that people didn’t use to behave like this.…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 02:43 PM
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A voice of reason! You’re a minority here it would seem.
/r/MensRights03/09/21 02:14 PM
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Aren’t there other subreddits where you can vent your frustration? Feminists are hated pretty much everywhere.
/r/MensRights03/09/21 02:11 PM
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Nice! Liking it so far?
/r/MensRights03/09/21 02:10 PM
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Wow. First person to support the message! Nice to know I have some company in my beliefs. I wrote an edit and am about to go to bed, but thank you! Err - unless you’re referring to the other person. In which case let me know and I’ll just delete this 😂
/r/MensRights03/09/21 04:06 AM
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Well, I’m not from the media or the government, but I have actually changed sexist views before by using the methods I described. I’ve changed political stances as well. When you let the facts speak for themselves, in the context of not being emotional, people generally run out of steam when they realize they’re just beating their head against a wall. Even if you can’t change the opinions of the person you’re discussing these things with, you can often change the opinions of other people who rea…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 04:00 AM
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Mostly I speak to these women on YouTube. I think more recently I made a few comments on r/women. I talk to a lot of people - I don’t exactly document every interaction. However, generally the things I say receive positive feedback…not from the women I’m arguing with, obviously, she’s usually offended - but from other women who like my comments and respond to show their support. I don’t try to attack them though. I simply explain why what they are saying is illogical, politely, because by doing …
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:47 AM
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Thanks for that!
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:38 AM
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Annddd…I’ve been “locked” or something? Whatever that means? I don’t really understand the locking individuals think because I’m new to Reddit. Hopefully it’s not a reprimand. I didn’t expect my post to be THIS upsetting. I expected it to come across as a bit cold - but not straight up incendiary. I just really do feel passionately that if people don’t start actually saying/doing something about this tendency we have in our culture today to speak in terms of pitting people against one another, a…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:37 AM
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Well now I don’t know what to think…😅
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:24 AM
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Well, I read everything you have to say, and I respect your opinions. I disagree with them, but I respect them.
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:23 AM
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I do engage with women on these issues, as well as internet strangers - I don’t know if they’re “feminists” because people rarely open with that.
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:16 AM
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Look, this wasn’t a post that was designed to belittle your feelings. I understand that you’re upset, and hurt. I think you have every right to feel that way. There are very, very horrendous things going on in the world that are causing men to suffer, and a hell of a lot of apathy on behalf of women and feminists. We agree.
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:02 AM
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If you look at the way I’ve been responding to comments, I think you will see that I am leading by example. You’re more than welcome to your opinion, of course. I understand there’s a lot of pain and frustration here. At any rate, not everyone would need to follow this advice in order to make more of an impact for MRA. It really only takes a few individuals who are ready to compartmentalize their justified feelings for the sake of progress. It’s more about the percentage of behaviors than anythi…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 03:00 AM
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I responded with an example to another commenter who seems to have shared your frustration. Read that comment if you have the time and see what you think. There is absolutely a right way to discuss men’s rights. It’s the same right way all movements should discuss their causes. The wrong way is to alienate and segregate the population, because any movement is a numbers game. If you exclude half the population, you’ve lost half of your traction already. MRA isn’t a men’s therapy group…if you don’…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 02:24 AM
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Ehn. On the one hand I know exactly where you’re coming from because I’ve gone down that line of reasoning many, many times. If we were to pose a fair counterargument, though, you can easily say that religion is the symptom, not the cause. The cause is human nature and the desire to dominate and control. In lieu of religion, they’ll just use government, militia, and law to oppress the people. We’ve seen this quite a bit. (North Korea, for example) If anything, I think Islam at least gives Muslim…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 02:20 AM
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Thanks so much for your response! I’m having a little bit of trouble following what you said, so if I misunderstand you please feel free to correct me. Let’s take the example you gave of male rape and break this argument down. Here is a powerful argument: - In many countries it is legal for women to rape men. - The rape of men and boys is a serious issue. - However, many people still believe that men cannot be raped by women, or that the rape of a man or a boy is not a crime. - We need to come t…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 02:14 AM
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Okay…I know you’re frustrated, and you have every right to be. But if you’re actually looking for solutions, the thing is that some people don’t actually understand how female to male rape works. To be perfectly honest, I was one of those people who didn’t actually understand (although I never came out and said it like this person did). Try to realize that the problem mostly lack of empathy, not due to an unwillingness to empathize, but due to lack of information. Especially if your ignorant spe…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 01:47 AM
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I can’t actually reply to you properly because your thing is locked….sorry. I don’t know what’s going on there, I’m new to Reddit.
/r/MensRights03/09/21 01:37 AM
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This is a laughable argument - that men don’t get custody because of the patriarchy. Nobody has been brave enough to pose that one to me but I would have fun with it if they did. I THINK what people might be trying to say, which makes more sense, is that men are the ones making the laws, so they think that men made the custody laws. Also, men predominantly populate the authorities who rule on custody battles, so in this way, men are the ones more often making the decision to award custody to the…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 01:12 AM
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Some female ads can be pretty degrading. Particularly pad/tampon commercials. I would imagine, though, that this is much more common for men for two reasons. Firstly, the most effective marketing technique is appeal to fear. It is less that they are actively trying to degrade you, and more that they are trying to terrorize you into believing you will be less worthy without their product. Secondly, men (at least in the cultural context you’re discussing), are highly competitive with one another a…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 01:03 AM
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Actually, that’s a good thing. You should be pleased to hear that because it means that person is making their own personal values relevant to the issue you feel needs to change. They are supporting what you said. If they want to turn it around and make your issue include something they relate to on a personal level - that means they are both listening, and emotionally investing in your cause. Today, most people lead by emotions. If you can convince them that your problems are emotionally releva…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 12:55 AM
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The solution, at this point, is time. It sounds cold but we cannot save these people. Only time will save them. The advent of global media and the massive increases we have experienced in terms of food availability, health care, and education levels are forcing out barbaric modes of living. The consequence, though, is that as their way of life becomes exceedingly less relevant, extremists will fight tooth and nail to preserve what they view to be their historical ideals. The cost is a great numb…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 12:49 AM
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This is one of the things that I dislike about the red pill movement - because this isn’t in response to the way female attraction functions - it is actually an inaccurate beauty ideas created by the fashion industry. It damages both males and females, and it started when supermodels became a thing. The media oversexualized the genders and sold unrealistic beauty ideals - not because they were actually more attractive - but because unusual appearances sell. I conducted my own study about what wo…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 12:39 AM
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Mmm, no…that argument doesn’t follow. You’re assuming the men don’t want the baby. “Men get no benefit from controlling whether women get an abortion”? Absolutely untrue. Tell that to the would-be dads whose partners never told them they were pregnant before getting an abortion. The pain of that goes deep.
/r/MensRights03/09/21 12:24 AM
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Don’t worry. This falls under that category of “advice sabotage”. Women are told the same thing - which is why they tell it to men, and it is horrible advice for either sex. It took me forever to learn that because I never shared my feelings with anyone, and I was constantly told that I have to - then when I opened up I got raked over the coals repeatedly and it really messed up my brain. Later I bought this experience up and received the REAL advice - you cannot flippantly share your feelings. …
/r/MensRights03/09/21 12:20 AM
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Well, women can’t sit there and do nothing, for starters. There’s actually a lot that goes into the female role in this situation. That being said, impressing women strikes me as a little weird. It’s actually supposed to be the other way around - women impressing men with their appearance (however much I detest that, it’s just true) - because men are the ones choosing the women. It looks like a female choice but it is not. Females choose from the men who pick them first. So it doesn’t make quite…
/r/MensRights03/09/21 12:09 AM
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This is the most unlikely hypothetical I have ever seen. 🤣 I can’t weigh in here, but I’ll just point out that if that ever happened - jail would be a far different place than what it is today. It would be full of men who share your ideology, and it would basically become a communist community for males. Your food, medical, and housing needs would be taken care of. If you’d marry gay and having a child is incidental, it almost seems more reasonable to just go to jail. You’d not going to be surro…
/r/MensRights02/09/21 11:57 PM
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Not totally sure which group you’re talking about, but I would say try to identify these biases in yourself if possible. I know that what you see invokes emotion, and there’s nothing wrong with having feelings. At the same time, what matters in the universal sense when it comes to the rights of the people is what makes sense and what does not make sense - not how inflammatory something feels. Look at the underlying principles and see if they are something you take seriously. Don’t look at the up…
/r/MensRights02/09/21 11:46 PM
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Yes, I know that they’re having a crisis when it comes to the aging population. However, the point I was trying to make here is that in other countries you are more likely to meet males that don’t share in the red pill mindset. Japan is one of them.
/r/ExRedPill02/09/21 11:43 PM
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Oh dang. Is that really how I phrased that? I apologize - I don’t know what I was thinking. That’s a horrible thing to say and not at all what I meant. It’s not “moral quality” so much as rates of incidence/cultural perceptions revolving around dating.
/r/ExRedPill02/09/21 11:40 PM
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You’re welcome :) Thank you for not getting upset at the explanation! I know we’re in sensitive territory here.
/r/MensRights02/09/21 11:39 PM
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For the record, I agree with you. Posts like these aren’t beneficial to MRA because they are arguments of rhetoric, and will absolutely push away possible participants. They’re better for a venting subreddit or so forth.
/r/MensRights02/09/21 11:36 PM
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I don’t often use Reddit but there isn’t a proper way to reply to your comment - not sure why. Both sexes in Islam have very real struggles which can generally be summarized as an excess of responsibility for men, and a lack of freedom for women. However, I don’t think the ambiguity and lack of data surrounding Muslim issues is what is making this such a frustrating subject for you to discuss. I could be completely wrong here, but I think that you have a lot of hurt feelings that are relevant to…
/r/MensRights02/09/21 11:33 PM
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I got hit on by guys older than 40 when I was 16-21. I just assume they’re lonely. It is a little scary though because it’s hard to relate to someone that is the opposite sex and is that much older than you. You also feel like they have some power or authority over you or they know things you don’t, and you wonder what kind of person is that desperate at that age. Also, I think it doesn’t happen to all women. There seems to be a certain “type” that the older men hit on? I’m an introvert and I ke…
/r/ExRedPill02/09/21 06:43 PM
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Well this is another country, but reading the article it sounds to me like this is statutory and a civil crime. Civil court and criminal court are not the same. In civil crimes, the victim takes the accused to court for a monetary settlement for damages. The court verdict determines the amount of payment. In criminal cases, the verdict determines the amount of jail time. Edit: At least I think it said it was Italy. Maybe the crime was committed in the US? Not entirely sure.
/r/MensRights02/09/21 06:03 PM
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Maybe we should ban the Botox? Maybe there’s too many talks about “baby face” and the celebrities, who have probably suffered brain damage from all that hair spray, are now struggling to recognize the difference between a 6 year old and a 50 year old. Poor things.
/r/MensRights02/09/21 06:00 PM
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Going to have to disagree with this one. You cannot have precision in a discussion that involves the treatment of women in Arab nations because, by in large, there is not formalized reporting or documentation. Now if you want to discuss the honor killings, imprisonment of women, and the control of their children, you can cite sources. If you want to have a generalist discussion on the treatment of Arab women, you need to actually talk to an Arab woman. She will explain to you what’s real and wha…
/r/MensRights02/09/21 05:55 PM
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We need to impose sentences for false rape accusations. Where men are proven innocent, the accuser should go to jail to serve the time he would have served.
/r/MensRights02/09/21 05:42 PM
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The fact that your guy doesn’t wash his hands constantly is actually a good thing. It will be good for your baby’s microbiome to be exposed to the microbes on your husbands hands. Babies of neat freaks can develop things like asthma. Contrarily, there’s really no danger in touching a baby with dirty hands. Have different hygiene discussions. Certain things are dangerous. For example, if you or your husband has diarrhea, you risk passing something to the baby by not washing your hands. Also, slug…
/r/RedPillWives02/09/21 05:38 PM
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“Most people are” 😂
/r/ExRedPill02/09/21 05:12 PM
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Yup. And actually, after people realized my decision was final (it took quite a lot of convincing), I got a lot of stories from married women who confess that they love their kids but probably wouldn’t have gotten married if times had been different. Had a lot of heart to hearts. The research I did also suggests that women seem happier if they stay single. There is some research to contradict that, but interestingly, it all comes from the same Christian family organization which had been previou…
/r/ExRedPill02/09/21 05:11 PM
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Yeah, that’s just more illogical nonsense….but especially in this context, because the same arguments claim that women are attracted to money. The idea that there would be so few attractive men with money that women are going to marry guys they don’t find attractive just to get money is kind of funny to me. I love when people totally ignore the absolute obvious. Guys at 22 are broke. Guys at 35 have money. How likely is it that a girl is going to get married wt 22? This is why half the red pill …
/r/ExRedPill02/09/21 05:00 PM
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Even when they’re playing it really cool though, sometimes it takes a while for you to assess the situation and plan how to approach the girl. I’ve had guys that “play it cool” when they approach me, but they’ve been watching me from far away for the last 5 minutes. Honestly, as an introvert, it gives me a sense of impending doom. Lol. Because I know this person is a total stranger and I’m going to say no, for the reason, and I HATE having to do that because my empathy kills me every time. Somet…
/r/seduction02/09/21 04:56 PM
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That’s the first I’m hearing of AF / BB. Can you explain?
/r/ExRedPill02/09/21 03:07 PM
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Well, as mentioned in my other comment, this was actually the right choice for me. Not because I don’t want kids, but because I don’t want a husband. There’s too many things in my life that I want to do - too many skills I want to develop, hobbies I have…they make me who I am as a person. Also, as weird as it sounds, I like my last name. It makes me feel like I still belong to my family. I would feel like I wasn’t part of my family anymore if I had to change it. And while I could, in theory, fin…
/r/ExRedPill02/09/21 03:06 PM
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There’s bigger reasons to give up, though. Bad men pick me - I’m a bad man magnet, lol. For me, there’s a pretty good chance the next guy I dated was going to hack me up and use me to fertilize his tomatoes. The last guy I dated threatened to try to get my brother thrown in jail for something he did when he was a child because I said I was leaving. He also told me stories about how he terrorized his friend with a gun and broke his brothers leg. When men fail to empathize with women, some of them…
/r/ExRedPill02/09/21 03:03 PM
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Oh, wow. That is a glowing compliment! Thank you!! ❤️ I gave up because I basically ran out of time. The thing to remember about the really bad guys is that you’re most likely to date them because they’re most likely to not respect women to the extent that they ask out hundreds of women and it doesn’t bother them. I’m friends with one great guy in his twenties who isn’t red-pilled because he barely uses the internet. He reads a lot. He’s also too shy to ask out women. If I had the chance to do e…
/r/ExRedPill02/09/21 02:57 PM
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This is the first I’ve heard about children being beaten in US schools. Wtf.
/r/MensRights02/09/21 10:32 AM
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To meet new people, you should eat Mayo in public with a spoon. Okay jk. To meet new people you need to do a thing that happens regularly at the same time. Ie: go to a bar every Wednesday night, or sign up for tennis classes. People will become curious about you if they see you multiple times, and they’re more encouraged to both approach you and trust you. Bonus points if the activity is something you enjoy that you would like your future friend to also enjoy.
/r/seduction02/09/21 10:16 AM
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At bars and clubs guys act differently. They don’t really stalk and leer when they’re planning their approach - it’s hard to explain. They just act cool and play it normal, which is what women are receptive to.
/r/seduction02/09/21 10:13 AM
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I know…I feel ya. I was shocked too. It really changes your worldview to know that you’re being manipulated. It’s hard to trust after that. It depends on what you mean. Guys who say they’re red-pilled aren’t quite as common, because they’re the ones that are proud of it. However, the red-pill dogma seems to affect pretty much every guy from what I can tell. If they’re not directly red-pilled, they’re still influenced by the movement because when they want help and advice about women they go to t…
/r/ExRedPill02/09/21 09:48 AM
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Well, firstly, let me just say that I am really enjoying this conversation! Your social skills are top notch. I would absolutely love if women were more often the ones doing the asking. To be quite honest, I don’t think we’re as bothered by rejection as the guys are because we don’t value first impressions quite as much. I read an article that said that, in Sweden, men flirt by dressing nicely and then going out in public and standing around looking cool, waiting for women to approach them. That…
/r/ExRedPill02/09/21 09:31 AM
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Red Pill usually isn’t totally inaccurate about the behaviors they observe, although they’re usually wrong about how common/extreme the behaviors are. Where red pill is entirely wrong is when it attempts to interpret the reasons behind the behavior. It does so through the male perspective - but male and female perspectives are incredibly different - almost polar opposites. So not only are their assumptions about a woman’s intent dead wrong, they’re so far off the mark it actually ends up being h…
/r/ExRedPill01/09/21 11:37 PM
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Actually I dont think finances comes into play that much. In fact, a lot of guys who have great jobs have a hard time dating because they have no time. Most of the guys I’ve dated and my friends have dated haven’t been very financially competitive. I only dated one guy that was, and that’s when I was more looking for someone to marry.
/r/ExRedPill01/09/21 11:25 PM
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You mean you’re an adult and you want to date another adult. Red pill guys aren’t adults. 🤣
/r/ExRedPill01/09/21 11:23 PM
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I don’t know if any women that limiting communication works for - unless I guess they have a really low sense of self worth so they picked you because you treat them the way the feel like they deserve to be treated. If a guy doesn’t want to talk to me I assume he’s not interested and move on. 🤷‍♀️
/r/ExRedPill01/09/21 11:22 PM
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It’s pretty straight-foreword. Women want a man that values what they value. For example - if a woman spends a lot of time being fit, she wants a fit man. If a woman loves dogs, she wants a man that loves dogs. If she’s an intellectual, she wants someone who values knowledge and education. So think of what you want in a woman, first, then try to mirror those values in yourself. If you want a woman who puts effort into her appearance - put effort into your appearance. One thing most women value u…
/r/ExRedPill01/09/21 07:56 PM
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Sounds like she thinks you’re too much of a stranger. Attraction for females develops through multiple positive interactions. If you can, try to ascertain that is is, in fact, single. Then, try to engage her in conversation. Put your focus on understanding her as a person. Analyze her. Ask her questions about what she thinks/believes. Don’t share too much about yourself unless she asks you questions - then answer as though you seriously considered them. When you guys are talking on a daily basis…
/r/seduction01/09/21 07:52 PM
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Yup, exactly. That’s one of the hardest things to get out of. It robs you of your very identity. Red pill is basically a cult - and anyone can prove that by taking their views and demonstrating how they fundamentally diverge from logic and reality. However, when you’re a young boy, you’re not ready to demonstrate that level of critical thinking - and that’s why young boys are targeted for cults, gangs, and so forth. Girls aren’t quite as easily swayed when they’re young because they’re less apt …
/r/ExRedPill01/09/21 02:58 PM
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Anyways, I have to go. You’re entitled to your own beliefs - it’s got nothing to do with me. I’m just telling OP what I know about women in the hopes he will succeed. Whether you believe it or not is up to you - and it’s healthy to be skeptical. I would suggest, though, that you put the work into objective real-world observation and analyzing facts to create a logical foundation for what you believe, because otherwise you will be a victim of propaganda. That applies to pretty much everything in …
/r/seduction01/09/21 02:19 PM
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I did not say “women are logical”. I said “use logic”. There’s a difference.
/r/seduction01/09/21 02:17 PM
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Well it sounds to me like she’s trying to communicate with him…and indeed, I haven’t known women who fail to try to communicate. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but if she’s to the point that she no longer trusts you enough to communicate, she’s either very damaged by the relationship, or very damaged by the relationships that came before it. That is a woman who no longer feels safe expressing herself.
/r/seduction01/09/21 02:16 PM
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He’s not being “manipulated”. That is just the way the sex roles work. You’re taking a logical point and adding your personal biases and fears. That’s where the wrong information will come from.
/r/seduction01/09/21 02:14 PM
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Anyways this is pretty easy to verify. First, consider how you feel when you like someone, text them, get your hopes up, and they repeatedly cold shoulder you. Secondly, search for “Guy doesn’t want to text me” or similar, and see what advice women give to each other. Usually the good advice goes something like “he’s not interested, move on”, “he’s using you”, “he’s a player”, “he’s probably red-pilled”, and occasionally the sweet girl pipes up to empathize with the guy and suggest he may be bus…
/r/seduction01/09/21 02:12 PM
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By “like” you mean “feel insecure, unwanted, manipulated, and used”
/r/seduction01/09/21 01:59 PM
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Text her. Not doing so will push her away at best and at worst it will make her resent you because she’s giving you sex and you’re being a crap friend. You don’t have to text much, but when she reaches out to you - at least give her ten minutes of your time. She’s even sending you sexy pictures. She’s slept with you. She obviously likes you. Enough times of trying to reach out to you and getting disappointed because she gets excited at the idea that you’re going to talk to her, and then you repe…
/r/seduction01/09/21 01:33 PM
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I know it shouldn’t be funny, but I misread this as “Even though he died a while ago he says he is still relevant” …
/r/seduction01/09/21 01:23 PM
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It is very sad. Because usually they made the choice to sacrifice who they are when they were pretty young, and by the time they figure out how wrong they are they feel like it’s too late to change. That’s why they need to find more young boys to affirm their poor life choices.
/r/ExRedPill01/09/21 01:18 PM
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Well, because if someone has slept with a bunch of girls it means that’s the number you have to compete with. Chances are quite good that even if you are enjoyable in bed - someone else was way better, and you have to wonder if they think of that person when they’re with you. But yeah - that is a red flag and I wish I’d known that earlier in my life. You know one of the things that sort of sucks about being the female in the dating game? It’s that we don’t really choose, so much as we pick someo…
/r/ExRedPill01/09/21 01:16 PM
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Nah I think I didn’t write it to begin with - I think I just thought I did. It’s been fun talking! If you have more questions feel free to shoot me a message! :)
/r/seduction01/09/21 01:10 PM
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Thanks for saying I seem like the kind of girl guys would like! I think…you’re far off the mark on that one though. But it’s a compliment all the same, and appreciated! I’m 31 actually. Which is awesome. Being in my 20s sucked! Lol. So maybe that’s why I seem mature to you! I’m surprised the shoulders surprised you more than the hands! It’s not the shape of the shoulders as much as it’s the definition (for my friend). One of the interesting things I learned though is that women seem to not be th…
/r/seduction01/09/21 01:44 AM
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Oh, no. That was to your second comment. I had thought I responded to this one long before that. So let me respond now. Sorry 😜
/r/seduction01/09/21 01:35 AM
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That was an opinion, not a fact. I based that opinion on my experience with some men, the experiences some people have had with men that they told me about at length, and my unofficial studying of masters level sociology where I learned to do DSM differentials. I don’t think everyone is a narcissist, but narcissistic behaviors fit very well with the behaviors I’ve noticed from a lot of red pill guys. More specifically, the more dangerous, older res pill guys that indoctrinate the boys.
/r/ExRedPill01/09/21 01:34 AM
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I think I can relate to that loosely because of perspectives I’ve encountered about my femininity. Even though I disagree with the sentiment behind these comments, I don’t believe that masculinity is inherently toxic. I do think gender extremism is because it is sexually unnatural and leads to poor growth in terms of ones moral, psychological, and emotional well-being. As a female, I was oppressed by gender roles - and I’ve spoken to many men that were as well. I support the “be true to yourself…
/r/MensRights01/09/21 01:30 AM
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Did I respond to this…? I thought I did but now I don’t see the message
/r/seduction01/09/21 01:08 AM
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I read the links you posted, and I respectfully disagree. However - I’m not a man, and I don’t feel like this is something I should debate on, because it’s not my place. That being said, because of your initial comment, I did edit my comment so that OP can see that a commenter has suggested the documentary is feminist propaganda, so she can get the benefit of a more balanced perspective. So anyone reading my comment will know to look for your comment, and will hopefully follow these links you ha…
/r/MensRights01/09/21 01:01 AM
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The only APA guidelines I know of are English literature ones… Do you know of a better documentary discussing men’s feelings? Because that’s was really my only exposure to men talking about how they feel. I can’t see how the documentary is feminist propaganda…but I’m more than willing to listen to your argument on that with an objective mind. For me, it gave me a lot more compassion for how difficult it is to be a man. Being socially groomed to fit an impossible gender ideal is definitely a feel…
/r/MensRights01/09/21 12:32 AM
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I agree!! I’m super stoked now! Thanks for the pep talk! I have to go into town tomorrow. I’m going to keep an eye out for a guy I can give a genuine compliment to! We need to get the ball rolling on this and break that bad cycle! 💪
/r/MensRights01/09/21 12:11 AM
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Love this comment! You’ve convinced me that I should keep trying. Even if they feel a little awkward about it - I’ll understand where that’s coming from now, and I know it’s not a bad thing. And if they’re suspicious I’ll just get the satisfaction of knowing I proved them wrong! Maybe if enough women compliment them and don’t ask for anything in return, they’ll realize that we meant it.
/r/MensRights01/09/21 12:04 AM
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Start going to a bar at the same time/day every week and start making friends with the regulars
/r/seduction31/08/21 11:15 PM
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Start making friends with women. Hang out just as friends. They will be flattered and bring you into their friend circle, and then the women in the friend circle will trust you and want to go out with you because you’ve already been approved of by their friends.
/r/seduction31/08/21 10:43 PM
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It’s because you’re a total stranger. If you know any women, try and figure out how many go on dates with people they don’t know. The # prob isn’t very high. It’s not something women do. Pick ups are a good for exposure but otherwise a waste of time.
/r/seduction31/08/21 10:40 PM
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When it comes to finding relationships, women have it easier. When it comes to being in them, I think men do.
/r/ExRedPill31/08/21 10:35 PM
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By your circle - you mean the prevalence of red pill?
/r/ExRedPill31/08/21 09:02 PM
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I’m glad you found what you’re looking for - I think coming to Reddit was a great idea! Best of luck!
/r/seduction31/08/21 09:01 PM
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Excellent - I’m glad you found what you’re looking for! I really hope you succeed! Best of luck! 🌸
/r/seduction31/08/21 08:58 PM
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It’s prevalent enough that I gave up dating. I mean it might not just be red pill…I think it’s kind of all platforms that give male advice and because most men use the internet for all of their information, they’re pretty much all infected by it. If you’re still young, you might have a shot at it. I talk to guys under 20 online sometimes and they’re still open-minded, humble, and curious. The guys over 20 just seem like a lost cause. At that point, the red pill guys have them so badly brainwashe…
/r/ExRedPill31/08/21 07:37 PM
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You’ve probably never heard it because you’re a man, I’m guessing? That’s just a hunch because I’ve heard it quite a lot as a woman. Men think if they tell me they banged a bunch of girls it’s somehow impressive. It’s not. It makes me feel insecure and like they just want to use me and treat me like crap. (Which is true, it would seem)
/r/ExRedPill31/08/21 07:25 PM
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No. A lot of them are narcissists so they hide it very, very well. Look for signs of an unwillingness to empathize with or value women. Be aware that criticizing you could mean he’s red pilled so make a mental note. Pay attention to how he thinks of other men. If he seems like he’s weirdly boy crushing over macho guys he might be red pilled. Look for any behavior that contradicts itself. Like he says he respects women, but then interrupts you and doesn’t listen to you when he speaks. Find out wh…
/r/ExRedPill31/08/21 07:23 PM
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Oh, I’m sorry…can I make one more point? I know I’m probably boring you. But the things I’ve told you are actually pretty easy to verify. You don’t need to take my word for it. I don’t think people should blindly follow advice - it leads to brainwashing. One good way to verify these things is by looking at female media. That billion dollar industry full of Fortune 500 companies that higher the best psychologists and advertisers, and perform case studies and market tests, with the sole purpose of…
/r/seduction31/08/21 06:36 PM
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Haha! Yeah. Maybe your girl was a little shy and her friends were trying to cover the awkwardness for her. That can happen. We have a tendency to look after our own. It could also just be, though, that the women were so excited and flattered to get some masculine attention that they all just sort of wanted a bite at the apple, so to speak. Most women actually really love when men notice them and care about their opinion. To us it’s a massive compliment, because we really, really value the “insid…
/r/seduction31/08/21 06:28 PM
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Charisma on command! Highly recommended! But also, what helped me A TON with my own social skills was learning about my personality type. I studied OPT, which is a scientifically orientated spin on MBTI (the Myers-Briggs assessment). Obviously, this is a thought model. You can’t treat it like “facts”. However, as a thought model, it explains so much about people, how they perceive things, and how they react to the way you talk to them. I had a lot of issues with my dad before studying OPT. After…
/r/seduction31/08/21 05:09 PM
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Actually, the reason I perceive a secondary motive is because I’ve been told from a lot of different guys that they were angry that they went out of their way to help a woman and she didn’t make a move on them… Even my dad told a story like that a few months ago where he carried some hot girls heavy backpack up a trail for her and she said thanks and got in her car and left and he said he was pretty annoyed by that. I mean don’t bash him though - he’s a really cool guy. It’s just…you know…differ…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 04:59 PM
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Yeah, I mean…stuff like this just makes me feel so ashamed of being a female because I know what you’re talking about and I’m well aware that I do it. The thing is, though, it actually comes from fear, not a conscious desire to manipulate. At a very early age the place I grew up pretty much hammered it into my brain that I have to smile constantly and be sickeningly sweet, even if I don’t want to. Not doing so is “disrespectful” and “b*tchy”. I used to get constant comments from women in the fam…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 04:48 PM
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Thanks…! This is actually really refreshing for me, because I do care, but a lot of people are really sensitive these days about allowing you into their circles if they feel you don’t belong there. It’s nice you guys are just…you know…regular, reasonable people. I guess that’s a rarity these days. Lol. I’ve never actually come across this “kill all men” thing, but to be fair, I also avoid corporately funded media like the plague. I’m paranoid about what I think is “brainwashing”. I’d rather have…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 04:27 PM
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Sometimes, yes. When you do, though, give the person a little bit of time to enjoy talking about the subject first. It’s a compliment when people want to tell you things. These are things that are important to them and telling you makes them feel excited. Excitement is good. If someone is enjoying talking to you - that’s really the whole point. So heres my trick when there’s a subject someone wants to tell me about that I think is kind of boring… Instead of thinking about what I want to talk abo…
/r/seduction31/08/21 04:11 PM
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“The narrative was being dictated by loud rude people” Exactly this. 👏
/r/MensRights31/08/21 04:27 AM
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Don’t know much about Kanye - never met the guy, personally. But I absolutely agree - on both fronts, actually. Women also need to stand up for their marriage/their husband (esp against their own family). I’m not actually married because that really isn’t an oath I felt comfortable making. But we are totally on the same page about that. You have to put your spouse first, and necessarily, they have to come before your parents because it won’t be long before the roles are reversed and you are thei…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 03:20 AM
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I hate that that quote is true…damn. You’re right - they do seem flattered and tbh it’s really nice but also weirding me out a little bit because I keep waiting for someone to jump up and say “psych!” 😂 I do think it’s important for women to stick up for men against other women. It’s kind of something I do a lot. That’s a little different though than barging into a male community where men come to share their feelings and be understood. It feels rude. I try to just lurk when I come to places lik…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 03:09 AM
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That’s in an intimate context though, right? I mean, I’ve always complimented my boyfriends quite a bit. Saying I like when a guy gets fired up sounds sexual to me somehow. I don’t usually compliment men’s bodies because, as a woman, I know better - lol - but I did compliment that one guys hair once. I’ve commented on a ring or a tattoo and said that I liked it. I suppose the rabid feminists would cry sexism if the gender roles were reversed there! 😂… 😬
/r/MensRights31/08/21 03:02 AM
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It was the “be a man” part, I think. I’m a female (sorry, I hope I’m not imposing), but I like to try to understand the male perspective so I’ve talked to a lot of men who told me they feel like society won’t let them be themselves, and like they have an unrealistic gender standard they’re being bullied into conforming to. I watched a pretty good documentary that really opened my eyes to just how bad that can be for men. So…actually, I completely empathize with that. I think men should be allowe…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 02:59 AM
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Lol…I sort of disagree, but understand why you say that….but that last bit made me laugh. Thanks!
/r/MensRights31/08/21 02:44 AM
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WOAH! Say what?! I’m sorry. I wasn’t going to say anything bc I’m not a guy and I didn’t want it interrupt but wth is “kill all men”?!
/r/MensRights31/08/21 02:42 AM
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You’re right! They do! Wow that behavior is sickening. I’ve told a lot of women they need to stop using the word “creep” entirely. It’s not being used to mean what it used to mean. When I was younger, “creepy” was very, very specific. It’s the feeling some guys give you when they make you feel like you’re prey, and I’ve come to realize later in life that it’s synonymous with guys who can only think about sex. It shows in the expressions and body language, and it makes your hair stand on end beca…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 02:37 AM
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I hate that you have to say that about the dinner. That’s common etiquette my mother taught me growing up, that women of my age group understand. Also, to get something inexpensive on the menu. I don’t usually verbally say I can pay for my part anymore, just because, in the past when I did that, it made it super weird. I felt like the guys felt like I was trying to say it “wasn’t a date”. So instead I just look for my wallet when the check comes and if they say something they say something. Othe…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 02:05 AM
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Haha. They definitely didn’t think that. I was more worried I might have been underdressed at the time. Showing skin can intimidate me if I’m not in the right headspace for it. Dang I never thought about it from that perspective…I know what you’re talking about, actually, and I’ve never done it myself but I know why women do. It’s because bluntly asking for help feels super rude and disrespectful. Giving a compliment, for women at least, is a common conversation starter and a way we establish an…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 01:54 AM
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Damn. That … just sounds really, really hard. It’s hard enough to be a man - that’s a whole additional layer of “nope”. I saw a video one time where men were interviewed about interracial dating and black men unanimously said they preferred black women, not because white women are unattractive, but because it was too much mental insanity to go down that road. I can understand what they meant by that a lot better now. Thanks for sharing.
/r/seduction31/08/21 01:48 AM
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Sorry, I’m not a man, but I went through a period of sexism when I was in college and I had to do a lot of self-work to heal. One of the things that really helped me to realize the depth of mens feelings was watching the documentary “The Mask You Live In”. (Although I guess another commenter claims this is feminist propaganda? It didn’t seem that way to me). That documentary shook my whole world view, because it was the first time I think I ever heard real feelings from men. After that, I starte…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 01:45 AM
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I’ve complimented guys a few times in the past and they got so super uncomfortable I felt bad about it. Sometimes they would give me a weird look like I was making a sexual pass at them. I want to give genuine compliments to guys because I would love to see them feel good because of it … but I feel like I inconvenience them and make them feel self-conscious by suggesting that I notice their appearance. Then I worry that I’m objectifying - because there’s a lot of comments I’ve read from men sayi…
/r/MensRights31/08/21 01:35 AM
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Yeah, definitely. I just didn’t want to make it sound like I knew how it differs for you because I don’t. I just assume it’s a completely different scene
/r/seduction31/08/21 01:23 AM
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I can’t speak much on that tbh, but yeah, it’s probably a lot different if you’re black.
/r/seduction31/08/21 01:04 AM
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What’s your ethnicity?
/r/seduction31/08/21 12:37 AM
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The girlfriend isn’t what’s depressing you. Other stuff is depressing you and you think a girlfriend will fix that - but it won’t. In fact, it will probably just sabotage your relationship. You need to figure out what it is that is making you feel down about yourself, and work on improving. Also, take a look at your psyche and your thought patterns, and work on having a better attitude about yourself, and life in general. Women like guys they enjoy being around. So you need to figure out how to …
/r/seduction31/08/21 12:20 AM
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Try just nodding at her to come over…do you guys do that in Spain? You’ve prob seen what I’m talking about in American movies. If you can put the ball in her court you won’t be intruding. So just nod for her to come over, and if she doesn’t get it but makes eye contact with you in a flirty way again after that, nod again. She won’t see the fact that you’re not coming over as a sign of insecurity. If you smile and look confident while you’re doing it, she’ll take it as confidence, and it can be r…
/r/seduction31/08/21 12:16 AM
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One of the tricks you can use to be more interesting is to learn how to genuinely be interested in someone else. Spend time thinking about what they think/believe and why, and muster up some genuine curiosity. Then ask her questions and try to figure out who she is and what makes her tick. Women eat this up. It makes them feel special. Plus, very, very few guys actually do this - which makes you special, because she’ll be pleasantly surprised that you’re actually interested in who she is. Once y…
/r/seduction31/08/21 12:10 AM
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Try branching out to other social circles you don’t mind sacrificing if you need to. For example - take up a hobby. Meet a girl there. If things go south, it’s not going to be the talk of your friend group because she isn’t part of your friend group. Also, though, probably if you better understood how female perception works, you would have more confidence. The scary part is not knowing how someone will respond to you. If you can predict them it’s not so bad. Try talking to girls online and seei…
/r/seduction31/08/21 12:02 AM
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My friend is a 24 year old virgin. Nothing wrong with him - he’s just shy and prefers reading a lot. He doesn’t really know how to act around women yet but he’s learning. Seeing as how sexual pleasure doesn’t rank high in a woman’s list of priorities when she’s picking guys out, I think it’s unlikely most women care that you’re a virgin. If it bothers you, just don’t tell them. If they ask, tell them you take a moral stance against kiss and tell. Women will respect that. If the relationship evol…
/r/seduction30/08/21 11:54 PM
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That isn’t what OP said. All he said is to focus on yourself for the sake of yourself. Also if he gets girls and you don’t, maybe you should ask yourself what he’s done that you haven’t mastered yet. Maybe it’s the ego? Looks like OP’s ego is in check and yours is holding you back - at least from an outside perspective.
/r/seduction30/08/21 11:51 PM
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Amazing advice! Bravo. I also recommend the Wim Hof method. It’s really great for mood regulation and it’s an amazing feeling to challenge yourself in that way.
/r/seduction30/08/21 11:42 PM
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Making women feel special is straightforward, even if it isn’t easy. You have to genuinely find her interesting, have a conversation with her, listen, respond, and enjoy - with eye contact.
/r/seduction30/08/21 10:15 PM
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