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I think the mental and emotional things that men are drawn to are just different - “I want to fall asleep next to you while you watch your favorite show” is not the “I want a man that moves heaven and earth to save me” kind of story. There’s not much representation of the kind of mental and emotional connections that do appeal to them and so a lot of men aren’t even really aware that they have them or are and just don’t think it’s a thing that they can get. Most men just want emotional and menta…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 03:44 AM
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I’m not even saying that from a sexual attractiveness point, I’m saying it from a “being better able to physically defend yourself” one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 02:28 AM
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The ideal would be having a man’s physique with women’s social norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 01:26 AM
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Men just want to wake up next to someone who wants to be there and doesn’t have a laundry list of fantasies about how that man will be. I don’t think it’s necessarily traditional roles that men are after but that current ones depress the hell out of them since it seems like we’ve turned over a stone where half the population has fundamentally different expectations and desires about how human relationships might ideally operate. Feels like women have much higher expectations of both a partner an…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:31 AM
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To not have to worry about mattering.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 12:54 AM
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Yes but for the opposite reasons. Nobody is motivated to do anything from porn. The effects it has are essentially just that they demotivate men from doing anything, for better or worse. Sexuality is a major motivator for men and I honestly think mass availability of porn has led men to struggle in school, work, and relationships because they are content on significantly less if the sex side of things is somewhat satisfied through porn. And sex is just a disproportionately strong motivator for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:33 PM
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I mean, the Middle East would make it easier. But I’d never feel comfortable with the general restrictiveness overall (including upon women) nor would I ever be able to trust that the person I’m with in that hypothetical actually loved me. That’s the downfall of all the passport bro, red pill, traditionalists side of things. Is it easier to get the relationship and the sex? Yes! Is it possible to ever be sure you’re together from some authentic free choice? No. The ability to say no is the only …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 05:36 PM
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I’m partial to the belief that a lot of people, especially men, forego their interests early on in favor of trying to be useful and then need a place to put that usefulness because there’s no other motivation once you’ve abandoned your interests long enough ago to not even remember what they were. Nevermind to have attained mastery of them. And unless there’s a profound place to be useful, there’s really no motivation for men to get up in the morning.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 01:06 AM
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That’s because kids are literally the only reason for us to get out of bed. Give me an air mattress, clean running water, electricity, and an iPhone and I’ll work about 10 hours a year. Women can work now and have just as much opportunity as men do, especially when factoring in education levels. Everything you see about fertility, birth rates, childless cat ladies, etc.? That’s all projection. Men are spiraling because we’re left with no reason to try for anything nowadays - unless one has kids.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 11:17 PM
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And “be attractive” means different things to different people, even if there’s a conventional set of traits
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 09:09 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 08:17 PM
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The entire point of “blue pill” is that there isn’t a “pill” and seeing an entire gender of people as some sort of blob that you can write a set of code to get sex out of is both selfish and inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:54 PM
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I like not working at all. At least not needing to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 12:52 PM
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Cool - the argument is simple - The Red Pill shit offers nothing for you except, I guess, a Romanian prison if you get too far into it and do the human trafficking stuff It certainly isn’t worth the money Hell, if you’re that interested in leveling up to get to sex, why not just use the money on escorts or the time on porn? If it’s all just sex, why not cut out the middle man? And if it’s not all just sex because you actually do want a romantic and social connection to a partner, hating their ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:25 AM
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lol so you don’t talk about Red Pill stuff in person but you’ll happily broadcast it over the internet where enough women see it to pick up on it? How’s that supposed to work? Yes. ChatGPT has some degree of moral standards programmed into it Holy shit I was actually meaning to exaggerate that 3k number- 2k for a gaming computer is exactly what I’m talking about lol Maybe spending all that money on hair transplants isn’t helping because nobody actually gives that much of a shit and you can still…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:12 AM
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If it doesn’t have a big impact on their offline lives, then isn’t it a huge waste of time and money?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:08 AM
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It’s really sad, honestly manosphere stuff promises men that they’ll be respected by and powerful to women but it really just makes those men seem pitiable and hysterical to them. Like, we’ll give shit to the chicks signing up for essential oil MLM’s and then open our wallets for someone to sit behind a camera and tell us vague advice that you could get better for free with ChatGPT. You’re literally paying somebody to give you a sales pitch about yourself who has no idea who you are. If nothing …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 09:43 PM
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Maybe he gets a lot of money and fame out of the clicks and it doesn’t matter to him if he actually buys anything he’s saying
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 09:05 PM
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I just don’t know what they expect? “If you approach me and get it wrong, you’re a creepy incel” “If you don’t approach me and get it wrong, you’ll just be alone” I think most people would choose the second one and it’s entirely predictable… “I’m dolling myself up to look hot, but don’t objectify me or you’re a misogynist” “No means no, but chase me” “I want to be heard but I want you to take the lead” “I want to be respected and treated equal but fantasize about being tied to the bedpost” “I wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 01:28 PM
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Why can’t something be both understandable to one and upsetting to the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 02:25 PM
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That’s not really in the same league of like spilling your guts about deeper traumas, anxieties, fears, feelings, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 08:00 PM
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Sure, but it’s mostly that if we’re being real
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 04:02 PM
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I think they just want gf’s and people would rather search for the answers in every other bin
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 03:42 PM
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There’s really no use in opening up emotionally to someone. It only provides them with something to use against you and does nothing to change how they already feel about you or whatever venerability you have anyhow The only real place to open up is in therapy, where that’s the extent of your relationship to the person and it’s legally confidential
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 03:23 PM
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Is it not? I’m not saying it’s a bad goal to have, I’m saying that it seems to require more effort on the part of the other person
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:51 AM
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My guess? Flaws are sustainable. It feels safer to be with someone who’s fucked up than someone who has their shit together
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:45 AM
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Fear of rejection, I would assume
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:41 AM
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Seems like a lot to live up to and a lot of expectations to hold of other people
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 02:29 AM
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Sure, but does that make you better? Because I feel like “men are just into ass and tits while we’re into real shit like tragic backstories” is the kind of thing that is generally true, a dismissive generalization, and a source of shaming men for how they develop attraction or relationships: I’d argue that there are benefits, in fact, to the “ass and tits” approach for humankind, just as there are benefits to the “deep true love” approach (I could rant for days about that stuff because it’s rath…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 01:09 AM
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All I’m essentially saying is simply that people have both unrealistic and contradictory expectations. Men and women both do, but I’m specifying the particular ways in which this manifests from women to men; rather than the other way around or any other gender dynamic
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:54 PM
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And that’s all fine, It’s just obfuscation and somewhat dishonest I guess I simply wish women were more blunt and selfish about what they want Would save a lot of time
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:38 PM
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In general, I’ve experienced in my life a theoretical open mindedness that exceeds that of men, but in practice, a sense that women still expect men to pay for stuff, open the car door, be dominant, etc. You can certainly find people that are accepting of you. But I feel like women in general overstate their degree of compassion and openness to differences They’re not falling head over heels for pegging femboys and being a millionaire that dates cashiers, for instance. And while that’s a bit exa…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 02:15 PM
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In private, because I don’t really want the gesture to compete with other people’s reaction to it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:33 PM
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Men would instead put their efforts towards things that are even less attainable and way more cruel to them, like the economy for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 11:43 AM
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the plague!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 01:00 PM
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Well, that sounds much closer to depression than a world view
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 12:59 PM
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Alright, enjoy the coal mines and 40 year life expectancy then
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 11:55 AM
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No. They were just less insecure because the wife couldn’t leave. We’re afraid of being left behind and alone nowadays, so a lot of people grasp at nostalgia But in reality, as bad as the present is, the past was worse for men too At least now, men can cry, marry rich, be emotional, take care of themselves, etc. I would say that the open mindedness surrounding men doing that kind of thing has certainly not caught up with women doing the inverse of it But the past just sucked ass for everyone, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/24 11:50 PM
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Sure is, but there’s a process behind it that is more than “men bad”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 06:52 PM
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Believe what you want to
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 06:50 PM
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I don’t think they actually hold those views, at least in many cases Instead, what I see is them pushing buttons, trying to figure out where the line is, trying to challenge women, etc. They basically read the stated goals of women/feminism and think “alright, do you actually hold this position?” You say you want equality, are you prepared to leave your kids with dad for business trips? Are you prepared to be drafted into war? Are you prepared to ask men out at least as often? Are you prepared t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:34 PM
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No, just exclusionary
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:16 AM
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It just makes me feel like there’s no place for me because I’m straight up sensitive. I don’t worry about it being sexist so much as exiling
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:03 AM
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You’re on a plane, there’s a shit ton of people around
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:16 PM
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Seems like a great way to avoid facing life as it is
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:17 PM
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So should the father
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:38 AM
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Oh no the bloodline
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 02:38 AM
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They should be accountable and paternity fraud should be a big crime That being said, the impact on the kid should be considered too
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:32 AM
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I would let the government care for the child, that’s certainly better than nobody doing so at all In the meantime, why is the child at fault?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:56 AM
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I like how so many men are so obsessed with their finances that they cannot look beyond that to see the effects this type of thing has on children
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 12:47 AM
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I think the biggest problem with relationships between men and women is that, many times, people seem to need a dry run of a serious relationship before understanding the practical reality of it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:19 PM
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I don’t think it’s that they don’t care, it’s that they have fewer alternative options to romantic relationships when it comes to inward fulfillment. Most single men are lonely because, if they aren’t in a relationship, there’s a bigger side of themselves that they feel they have to hide every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 07:24 PM
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It’s weird but if it provides an emotional and mental boost, I don’t see the problem with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 07:19 PM
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Sure, but what does that have to do with the question? A woman can’t want marriage over casual sex because she wouldn’t want to get attached to someone that’ll leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 10:31 PM
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In what way does that scenario have anything to do with the question though? That isn’t what’s being asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 10:20 PM
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I’m not sure why I’d want to be set aside as casual sex when marriage is deep and loving.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 11:29 AM
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Generally, yes. Or at least in that ballpark.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 01:20 AM
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I think the biggest issue is the inability for men to trust women with their honest selves even though it comes out in plenty of obvious enough ways that leaving out the parts of yourself that you’re ashamed of does a disservice to any relationship. You don’t get to live true to yourself and your partner gets a less than ideal version of whatever you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 01:18 AM
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I think “10/10” here is supposed to refer to “hotness” and not age.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 01:09 AM
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What you focus on and what matters to you are not the same thing. You might be turned on in the moment or think your preferences are one thing, then settle down and see things very differently than your split second self did. I think men are capable of both objectifying women way too much and fiercely loving them; perhaps too much, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 07:31 PM
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They don’t care; they’re terrified of being alone themselves and the possibility crystallizes itself more if you are a straight single man who is lonely yourself and yet seeing examples of women not just being happy with other men, but with women or even by themselves. Fwiw, studies actually do show that single childless women are happiest, among all gender and relationship combinations. But I think there are a multitude of factors with that, which are way beyond simply saying that men suck and …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 07:09 PM
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The modern world has simply opened up a chasm where women have higher standards and goals than men do. Before AC, dishwashers, washer/dryers, etc. having bigger goals was a matter of survival. These days? A man with a window unit, washer/dryer, a fridge, Xbox, phone, and basic roof over his head has about as much as he cares for. He isn’t going to be motivated to work 90 hours a week to get promoted and make more money so that he can live in a good school district with a white picket fence, 4 ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 01:43 PM
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There’s plenty of people that get divorced and yet don’t think a spouse should be a slave. Ultimate red pill bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 08:27 PM
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I think it’s primarily asshole men that can’t accept that they’re assholes and want to point the finger at something else because they’re unbearable to be with and can’t accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 02:54 PM
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It is seen as unmanly to request emotional care and so women spend more time guessing about it than men do simply advocating for their own needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 03:25 PM
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Same reason women don’t watch porn geared toward men - Sets up incredibly unrealistic expectations that make your partner feel like they aren’t good enough; even though it is consumed just for fantasy and sexual kicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 02:18 PM
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I honestly think that it does and more men should dare to question it. There’s a cult of self improvement gurus that prey on the inner guilt that people have due to decades and even centuries of cultural conditioning which says, essentially, “to not improve is to be lazy”. And yet, you, the flawed person in need of improvement, is the one deciding the details on what improvement even is? It doesn’t make any actual sense and, inevitably, when it falls apart because circumstances are simply more b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 04:09 AM
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I think it’s equally nonsensical.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 07:01 PM
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Yeah exactly. How many men are working on power lines? Or plumbing? According to ChatGPT, several hundred thousand to one million in America. That’s roughly 1.15 percent of men in the workforce. Chances are that you don’t work those jobs either. That isn’t to take anything away from those who do work in these jobs, but they are not nearly as commonly held as that kind of rhetoric implies.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 04:26 PM
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I mean, I do too? Isn’t this how it’s supposed to work?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 03:23 PM
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Sure. And that’s true of any relationship that at any time defies norms. The only way out of that is through.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 01:58 PM
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Cool story. How many men actually work those jobs? Not many anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 01:43 PM
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Thank u, I’ll take the lack of any actual argument as a complement
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 12:28 PM
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In terms of not abandoning people and sacrificing for people, you don’t get much higher on the scale than e.g. nurses during a pandemic. I’d simply make the argument that caring for people is more integral to human wellbeing than fixing things from great heights and one of the tragic aspects of men’s social norms is the risks expected for things that honestly are not as important as they are deemed.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 12:12 PM
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Cool? The original post is about people’s experiences with women. But never let the actual topic get in the way of finding something to be offended about!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 11:49 AM
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Cool? Nobody said anything in regard to “most men”.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 11:34 AM
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So what? Many men fail to apply it to them, so around and around it goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 11:32 AM
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Men can’t get sick and fatherhood doesn’t matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 05:15 AM
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No, I’m saying if you make 30k a year at your job and your wife makes 90k, you get to live a 120k life? Why on Earth would you not take that and just be the butt of the joke??? For pride? That’s just stupid af lol Why would you not want more money?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 05:05 AM
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Honestly, the people who have not abandoned me and have sacrificed most for me in my life have been women. Friends, family, coworkers, classmates, etc. The idea that women are these master manipulators who seek to twerk on OnlyFans and use booty to take all your money (not that I have any regardless) and who only care to date the top 10% of men or whatever… Just has simply not been my experience at all. I’m probably a 6/10 if I had to guess and make jack shit financially. I’m married and have a …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 04:59 AM
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Why on Earth would a dude not want way more money than he’s qualified for?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 04:50 AM
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If there’s a crisis afoot among men due to a lack of responsibility, grit, and traditional manly values; it’s really fucking weird for so many men to freak out about it by worshiping YouTubers who’ve never worked a real job and who present ideologies that conveniently blame everyone else for men’s problems. How do you expect to get “the old manliness” back by clinging to adolescent lullabies that just point the finger at everybody else and ask zero responsibility or risk on the part of yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 05:10 AM
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It can be comforting to have more external structure for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/24 07:50 PM
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I think life in general becomes easier in your 30’s because people generally have matured somewhat by then.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/24 02:52 AM
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In my experience, it’s easy for people to blame women for a very real problem that simply isn’t their fault. Just because there exists a terrible cultural norm on men that people are at various stages of letting go of (or not letting go of) doesn’t mean that women are at fault for it. Most women I’ve ever met just genuinely don’t care that much about income.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/24 01:02 AM
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I prefer liberal anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 12:45 PM
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I think men treat everyone worse equally, tbh. More likely to start wars, support cruel politics, act recklessly or violently, murder and violent crime, etc. Hell, we’re even worse to ourselves. Just look at suicide rates. I think that’s the much bigger issue. It isn’t so much that men treat women better or worse than vice versa. At least relative to how one generally treats anyone. But that any kindness and gentleness in boys is historically seen as something effeminate to be beaten out of them…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 02:33 AM
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No. But neither can women. I think a lot of the issues between men and women stem from us not realizing that the other side of the coin feels similarly. Even if not about the exact same things, they have the exact same feelings about something.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 04:27 AM
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Being a man. I think people mistake the (potentially correct) idea that being a man can be harder while you’re growing up vs. once you are in any sort of position of power or experience whatsoever, you’re going to have a better go of it for the rest of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 03:22 AM
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People prioritize different things and I think more men would rather just deal with whatever than be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 03:05 AM
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Yes and most men want a woman that makes him feel manly while paying for everything, taking care of the kids, pegging him, and being perfect too. Let’s face it, everyone wants the best of all worlds. That’s a human thing and shouldn’t really be treated as an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 09:12 PM
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In general, I agree with the sentiment but I think a lot of men spend so long seeing their socioeconomic status as transactional that they don’t even remember what they value or are interested in. Or they’ve spent so much time away from it that they lack the skills and experiences to be successful at their own interests because they’ve never practiced them in 20 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 03:48 PM
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I’d say so. But implicitly, boys learn from a young age that you’re on your own except for whatever family you can make once you hit adulthood. So what really happens is that boys from a very young age put their own interests and values on a back burner and instead look at everything through the lens of an economic transition from there. I think if that changed and boys could develop their own interests and values for longer in childhood, you’d have men with more intrinsic motivation and less co…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 03:38 PM
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Literally nobody cares. If you can afford an extra ten bucks a month for roadside assistance, who cares if you can change a tire. If you buy preassembled used furniture, which is cheaper anyhow, who cares how good you are with a drill and wrench? Obviously, things like furniture assembly are useful skills to have! But the notion that they have some gender bias in need or ability is absurd in 2024.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 02:35 AM
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A bunch of far right pricks yell about this type of thing but I think most of us would hate it. I like having more money for my family and not being solely depended upon to make money. The 1950’s had good aesthetics and basically everything else sucked astonishingly massive balls. Nobody wants to go back to that tape player shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 03:21 AM
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lol this is just silly For whatever its faults, the notion that conservatism would lead to more sexual availability for most people is laughable. Unless you are only into married Mormon magic underwear missionary sex. And if you’re into porn, I don’t think banning it entirely is going to help you out more than criticizing it lol But imagine anybody that’s gay, into kinky shit, or even just does things in the butt. I would much rather have the Barbie movie criticize men than have to text the Pope…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 02:21 PM
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No, I’m simply saying that there are times and places where different actions and personalities are advantageous. The idea that there is one ideal way for all people to strive for, that supersedes all others is just not factually accurate, from an evolutionary standpoint, anyway. To some degree, yes, there are some things that women will disagree with you on that aren’t worth fighting about. That may seem foreign, but there are some conflicts not worth fighting and there’s a point to be had that…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:11 PM
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Meh, times change and so do advantageous and disadvantageous traits. We don’t live in a time where it makes sense to try to kill each other and be ultra competitive about life. It makes way more sense, and is way easier, to simply cooperate as a society. But that’s just today. There have been and I’m sure there will be other times and places where other traits are advantageous. The idea that the human race utilized only one type of person to get ahead is silly. The kind of personalities best sui…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 09:02 PM
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No. I’d be nervous about that too lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 08:40 PM
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I think it’s just emotionally inexperienced people that don’t see other people from their own eyes. If you do, you realize that being a human is primarily a common experience, with a few wrenches thrown in based on gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 08:12 PM
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A lot of people just don’t want to admit that they worry about their partner leaving them for someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 08:06 PM
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I think the pressure on women to be good mothers is just way too intense. The closest thing I can equate to it for men would be providership. Where any given moment that you don’t perfectly identify with that role, you’re left feeling like an inadequate version of your gender/identity. So you end up feeling like you’re a terrible person every moment you check your phone instead of paying absolutely 100% of your waking attention to your kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 12:42 AM
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I mean, it’s mostly just a story regardless and whether or not you feel like a story relates to you matters a lot more than the actual specifics of a character.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 01:37 AM
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I’m that way with female characters and I’m a dude. It doesn’t really have much to do with gender so much as relatability and personality. I could see myself in the shoes of Bella Swan, Bellatrix Lestrange, Katniss, etc. ahead of a lot of other characters regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 01:34 AM
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A completely unsupported claim but even if you assume it’s true, is that not an experience that is perfectly valid for humans to accommodate when half the population is that way?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 10:39 PM
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The idea that marriage is obsolete because it’s pushed in the direction of its own goals over time - you marry someone you love and loving someone requires letting them be themselves and be free - has always struck me as odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 09:58 PM
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No one ever died of lack of sex either, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 05:02 PM
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Do you go around worrying about random women raping and murdering you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 02:18 PM
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That’s not reality though. Pretending that it is, is silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 02:15 PM
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But what is creepy? Most of life is just listening to someone if they tell you they aren’t cool with something. Do you think most men actually want women to back off? I think it’s largely the opposite and that by contorting it into a competition, the actual needs of men and women get neglected. Instead of trying to drown out the things that matter to women by trying to compete against them, why not actually advocate for men to have more help in the areas that they actually need it disproportiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 01:54 AM
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The problem is threat level. Men have a level of threat to us that women just don’t have the other way. And sure, you can point to anecdotes of men being murdered by crazy wives, but that’s very unusual and notable because it isn’t common. Men, in the most basic sense, pose more of a simple physical risk to women than vice versa. And it isn’t even men’s fault. Men can’t control random men killing women either, how people feel about relative threat levels across gender lines, or what data says. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 01:06 AM
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Get rid of the 5 lane highways filled with military tank sized trucks so that they don’t get killed for playing outside and maybe that’ll be possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 01:35 PM
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I think they are. Zoom out a bit and it’s only been a generation or two since women were allowed to even work or go to college. It’s understandable that women are still skittish about dating men that have less career potential than themselves because honestly they’ve not been allowed to have career potential for very long. But you can kinda sense a difference emerging where more people are seeing the general toxicity and asshole nature of men who have too much power. That won’t change overnight …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 01:48 PM
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Turn on. I like not being the center of attention all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:25 AM
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The bond. Being next to her feels so safe and keeps your mind from racing so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:24 AM
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Why are low birth rates bad? Is overpopulation good?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:22 AM
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I think most men have more in common with most women than the sort of men that write this kinda stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:20 AM
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Why do high effort women want low effort men? I mean, it isn’t like there’s not plenty of women that put a ton of effort into their own lives and “settle” for men that don’t. A lot of the time, people have very personal and specific things they like about their partners. Not every relationship is possible to just put an objective debit and credit system to. Things are subjective and dependent on what one needs in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 03:44 AM
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Every older person is wiser in the sense of life experience than they used to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 12:53 AM
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There’s a lack of availability for men to fulfill the roles they feel expected to do. Many give up and just decide that life is better lived having some casual fun for a while and then seeing themselves out because they don’t beluece ever being able to accomplish what it is that they think they ought to - providership, excellence, safety, whatever. There’s a lack of available positions for men to meet the expectations that they feel they ought to
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:24 PM
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I’m sure there are. I simply think they are fewer in number and higher in volume than is commonly portrayed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:50 AM
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I think they just look at it backwards. Dating is hard for everyone. But singlehood? I do get the impression that that’s way more painful for men. When the concept of masculinity is essentially that you need to find a wife because otherwise, you are an unchained werewolf that will do all sorts of terrible things, it really sends a message to people that men, by default, are a problem in need of fixing. We’ve generated a society where men can’t even trust themselves to be good people because the …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:27 AM
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“God, what is happening to the world? You can’t even say that Hitler had some good ideas without the woke mob being all offended by everything!” /s
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:18 AM
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“Final solution” is not a great headline for an argument
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:30 AM
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Anyone can make funny memes now though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:00 AM
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I welcome our female overlords at this point. If this is what men are offering lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:41 AM
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You guys are really doing a wonderful job of turning men into feminist simps when you say things like this lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:33 AM
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Yeah your logic is much better here than OP’s lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:16 AM
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No, but it’s been going on forever, regardless of income levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 07:37 AM
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Men have been trying to woo women over forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 07:27 AM
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Which is?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 07:33 PM
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Which one?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 07:30 PM
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I think men should have less expectations for money and women should have less expectations for looks. Sure, we’re all valued for what we provide. We should just be more realistic and lower those expectations significantly. Life is hard enough. Stop pushing people too hard. ✌️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/23 02:51 PM
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Calm your tits, dude. There’s plenty of weird shit that happens among insects.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/23 06:03 PM
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No I mean, what is considered good and bad social skills changes. I think for millennials, acting too serious and formal can be seen as just as much a social faux pas as informality and self deprecation are for boomers, for one example. The kinds of attributes we see as good social skills changes which should give people hope that they’re not stuck in any permanent sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 04:20 AM
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Social skills change over time is something I think not enough people realize.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 03:50 AM
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Marry up if you can, value things like responsibility and kindness, look out for who respects you… Honestly, being married myself, you eventually do realize that women’s preferences and standards have a point to them. It isn’t always fair and sometimes you absolutely can lose out to a manipulative asshole. But in the big picture, nobody sets standards simply to be a dick, they do so because they want to be able to achieve the best balance in their lives over the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 11:46 PM
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Under 30s, especially, women are fat and away more likely to have a degree. So you’re at least as likely to find a woman making as much as a man does.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:50 PM
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No. Not at all. There’s never been more men marrying up financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:35 PM
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Like I said, if that’s the case, dump him lol Otherwise, if women want men that are career oriented, they will keep valuing their careers over yours and nothing will change because all domestic duties will fall on you
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 08:02 PM
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Yes but this is primarily because women want a man that adds something to their life while men just want a woman that takes away pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:17 PM
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Yes. And the saddest thing is that there’s a really simple solution for this entire situation - date down! The number one desire for dads is to spend 5 years at home with their children after childbirth. Women are, all too often, constantly looking for a man that’s her equal and it’s the most foolish thing in the world because there’s simply 24 hours in any given day, no matter how much money you have. Date a part timer, SAHD, no student debt, warehouse guy, etc. Because the fact of the matter i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 05:04 PM
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Why can’t women just be worse instead of expecting men to be better?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 07:23 PM
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Yes. I don’t see an issue with women who downright hate far right conservative men tbh, Why would you want to date someone that wants to tell you what you can and can’t do with your own body or who thinks you are biologically incapable of being a leader and looks down on you? More for us soyboys anyway. 🙃
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 06:34 PM
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Honesty almost always is
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/23 11:45 AM
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Say you’re with a billionaire like Taylor Swift, would you feel safe in that relationship, honestly? I’m not saying, upfront, it wouldn’t be a dream come true to date somebody that has all of the bases (attractiveness, wealth, ambition, status, etc.) covered. But in the long run, is that a relationship you’d trust someone else with the power in? Or would you not, on some level, be playing your cards a bit and trying to make sure that if she dumped you, you’d have fallback options? Because I’m pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 11:36 PM
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Most men are still very status insecure. There’s plenty of examples of very successful women, probably far more often than average women, that have trouble keeping men since the men will basically just keep back up plans.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 11:05 PM
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The Republican voters are mostly men Without Republicans, this wouldn’t have happened
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 03:20 PM
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Who are the right people? Catholics? Evangelicals were really the ones that spearheaded the whole thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:46 PM
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Which is entirely subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 02:30 PM
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Let’s take everything you said as gospel. What does it change? Let’s say women are blaming all the wrong people… and? Men never do? Blaming immigrants for taking jobs that the CEO’s decide to hire to make a quick buck. Blaming women for their own feelings of loneliness and despair that are largely a byproduct of the standards other men hold them to? Blaming women for the socioeconomic circumstances being driven by Gilded Age levels of power and income imbalances? The fact is, an emotion is just …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 01:26 PM
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Rape, abortion bans being written by men that don’t have the slightest understanding of basic human anatomy, misogyny and the population level rejection of women being seen as capable despite all the evidence of men being worse (malicious) than incompetent at leadership, etc. It isn’t hard to see, if you’re open to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 01:21 PM
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That’s better than pretending to like men, is it not? You can’t change anger, if that’s what you feel, that’s what you feel. I’d rather them stop pretending to be happy if they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 01:20 PM
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Yup. It’s just heart breaking. 💔 I’m so sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 11:42 PM
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I think things like the rise of right wing nationalism/abortion restrictions/etc. play a role, honestly. Women are angry and some are basically popping off about it. I don’t necessarily blame them and I honestly think hostility will get worse before it gets better but it also provides a level of direct confrontation that I think will be helpful in the long term. In some senses, as a man, I’d rather women rip us a new asshole than pretend to be happy all the time and abandon us after 20 years of …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 10:15 PM
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Most men are content with a lawn chair and an Xbox in a $500 dollars/month studio apartment. They just spend their entire energy trying to defend that and it results in a level of alienation and anger at society for not legitimizing it. If you make enough to get by, that’s enough. In turn, there’s nothing wrong with having higher standards either. But many men feel forced out of mediocrity that, frankly, most are content with.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 03:29 PM
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Lol the fathers can still stay in the picture, dude. In your instance, once again, the dads aren’t there and overwhelmingly not at the behest of women. You don’t just get to steal a kid from the other parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 11:42 AM
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Yes it is lol It takes a father to make a child and he’s absent in your scenario. At least the mom, you know, exists?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 11:33 AM
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Why are the mothers solely responsible for all the men? Where are the fathers?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 11:15 AM
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So… where are the men in this then?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 01:28 AM
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I think it just hurts to feel like men are always needing to level up to women. It makes it impossible to feel like anyone can love you, for you. If you have to compete and try for something, it just reminds you that you aren’t currently good enough for it. I think a lot of men are just reaching a point where they’d rather test the waters with dropping out of life and having flings and FWB than feel like their lives are only valid once they’ve achieved something.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:54 PM
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Absolutely. If someone is treating you unfairly, you don’t have to just take it out of some fealty to masculine stoicism.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 06:15 PM
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Women, overall. But it also isn’t that different either. Maybe like a 60-40 thing (60% of unrealistic expectation havers being women, 40 men). Only reason I say so is because men will settle since life is much lonelier for them otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:20 AM
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All of them, really. There’s not some secret woman club that decides to make life bad for men or something. Life just gets lonely and saddening, and when you’re taught to see so many things through the lens of competition, it’s habitual to feel like you need a reason or place for blame for anything bad that happens. Shit can just be shitty. I have no idea why women are somehow therefore at fault for everything. They’re not in control of all that stuff, in any case, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:16 AM
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There’s plenty of men into fat women. Some even prefer it. That being said, you’re more likely to find effeminate sorts within the bunch than a more petite woman would.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 05:12 AM
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I don’t think women lack respect for average men. But I do think they lament them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/23 12:52 PM
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I just think women are better than to close off to men’s real experiences and feelings and men are better than to stay being a background generational trauma through too much anger, violence, yelling, threatening, etc. I think everybody needs to be better but it isn’t the same dynamic either - what’s needed, in the big picture, from men and women isn’t the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 02:14 PM
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Oh totally. I think in my case, the last few years have proved to me that you simply cannot put women on a pedestal and yet they continue to refuse to actually accept their own shittiness in just the same way that men refuse to accept ours. They don’t want to accept men as they are, they would rather just have a bf that’s some caricature of a romance novel protagonist. And there’s so many instances where so much is made of validating women’s emotions but refusing to see where men feel the exact …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/23 01:09 PM
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“Women will leave at the drop of a hat” is a belief most men hold that plays a big role in this. They’d rather be with someone flawed in many cases because they know they’ll probably be abandoned otherwise. Most women you come across, you just know they’ll leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/23 08:56 PM
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Not at all. Though I do think the attraction dynamics can be different. a fat woman will attract different men and from different attributes than a skinny one. But there’s plenty of men that may e.g. want to domme’d by a BBW or something along those lines. I think the biggest issue is that there’s an inherent bias that says that being attractive must only come from a specific perspective and about a specific set of attributes. People are all different and if one dude thinks you’re hot in all the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 12:22 PM
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I think in the biggest picture, men hating women is, and has always been, the emotions of fear and vulnerability hidden beneath blame and argument. The hatred itself is simply a rotten branch off that tree. It’s not deeper, even if it seems scarier.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:49 AM
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Why does there need to be? Is it not perfectly possible that many men aren’t attractive to women, are lonely from that, yet that women also have no obligation to date them? Nobody is required to do anything. But that doesn’t make it easy or fun for people that crave partners and can’t find them. Women (or men) would be well within their rights to just collectively decide to not bother with the opposite sex forever, starting tomorrow. Men (or women) would also be well within their rights to feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:25 AM
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The only main issue I have with this mentality is the notion that men “no longer bring anything to the table”. As if this generation of men is somehow uniquely ill suited to be decent partners. Emotional needs? Abuse? Domestic violence? Childcare? Housework? Fatherhood? Imo, the men today are far better off than the men of yesterday at these things because so many grew up with divorced families and single parents that showed them that you just have to do whatever chores come up. Literally the on…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:17 AM
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You can have a higher, on average, sex drive while also being a caring person though. And I think that’s the biggest issue with how men and women see each other these days. Men are so ashamed of having a higher sex drive that we use that as an excuse for shitty behavior Just because you think with your dick more often doesn’t mean you can’t be a decent person and it doesn’t excuse being a shitty one. And I think too many men think they’re so toxic and so poisonous that we’ve pretty much convince…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 06:44 PM
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The problem is that the bad apples spoil the whole bunch. In the biggest picture, men need to stop doing the fake tough guy thing far more than we currently do. It ruins human relationships to go about them that way, no exaggeration.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 04:26 PM
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Acting like an asshole is simply going to make people at least somewhat afraid of you rather than empathetic to your plight though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 04:21 PM
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I honestly think most of the people in these spots are lonely and not handling it well. Men can often handle things like anxiety and depression with more anger because it’s more socially acceptable for them, or at least perceived as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 11:58 AM
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One thing that I think ruins discussions about relationships and attractiveness is that we focus so much on the people involved and not the relationship between them. There’s plenty of men that, imo, love being on the eye candy/sugar baby side of the looks vs. providership dynamic as much as women do. Perhaps they find fatter women attractive or just feel happy being with the person lol There’s not much you can discern by just seeing someone going about their day in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 01:13 PM
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I don’t think you really can separate the social and the personal. Many men that accept this do so because of how other people make them feel about it vs. alternatives. If men got as much respect for being a stay at home dad as being a six figure career guy, they would do that a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 01:03 PM
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Yes, because historically, men haven’t needed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 10:26 PM
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What is attractive and why wouldn’t it change with the times? If you’re living in an era of men having all the money, it makes sense for them to basically feel free to pick the sexiest women. If you’re living in an era of money being more equal and often even women having more of it than men, it makes sense for the dude to provide the sexy in the balance. That’s a really crude way to simply put that I think money and looks are inversely correlated in importance to prospective mates. I just think…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 09:16 PM
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That would just be arranged marriage. You have to have the ability to leave because that’s how life itself works. You don’t know how long you get. All you can do is try to make the most of each moment, within reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 02:38 AM
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I think men are more cut off from processing events emotionally than women are because part of processing something emotionally involves accepting vulnerability yourself. Part of masculinity is feeling like you’re a loser if you don’t constantly think of yourself as in full control of everything that ever happens in your life. It isn’t manly to have had something happen to you, it isn’t manly to be a victim of any sort, etc. So, I think men may be more emotionally fragile on the surface, but no …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 09:26 PM
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I honestly think all that it says is that men are more lonely overall and are finding AI to be a healthy way to bridge that gap. I think that, in the long run, AI will simply make dating more equal, stable, and healthier by not having men be so emotionally and socially reliant on women. This, I predict, will let men be calmer and chiller about being single and approach dating from a healthier perspective. The MGTOW thing, imo, is mostly a front or projection. There’s simply way more men desperat…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 02:22 PM
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Honestly, everything about modern dating trends and angst boils down to one inconvenient reality - Single, childless women are happiest. Married-with-kids men are happiest. https://people.com/parents/women-happiest-without-kids-husband-spouse-study/ To be clear, I don’t believe that this is some unchangeable biological reality, but it is a current reality. Men, in effect, are vampirically just sapping the life out of women, at least at present. It makes zero sense, from a self-interest perspecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 02:14 PM
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Of course they do. Everyone does. I don’t think women are more to blame for that though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 06:57 PM
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Absolutely. I think most of the issues across gender lines revolves around men hating ourselves being the catalyst for misogyny. Especially the “feminine” parts of ourselves that we would rather drown in drugs/sex/games/alcohol/porn/sleep/etc. than accept. Women represent the part of ourselves that we were insulted, beat up, belittled, and otherwise abandoned for showing as kids. It’s not so much that feminism and women’s rights has the wrong idea as it is ignorant of what causes those beliefs a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 06:18 PM
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Absolutely. I can’t stand how emotionally weak I am. Hell, the only way I’ve ever really learned works to handle it is to work backwards from the acknowledgment that I’m going to die someday. Otherwise, I will legit hate myself for how weak my emotional stability is. The thing to this, too, is how much we hate ourselves. Misogyny is a problem. But it’s hatred of women that is rooted most often in our own self hatred first, imo. Every man has some experience with being hit, insulted, threatened, …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:50 PM
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Idk, I kinda think there’s moral panics every decade about something that sounds true but isn’t - rap music, violent video games, porn, etc. E.g. they’re now finding that the release of violent video games coincides with a drop in violent crime. So my honest belief is that porn (and AI girlfriends) are to the benefit of society because a lot of those men would otherwise just pick worse things to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 01:55 PM
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I honestly think the opposite. If AI can provide a stopgap for men’s emotional needs, it can help them be more measured and less frantic about getting into relationships just to handle their own loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 01:43 PM
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Simple - not needing a place to escape to. If you fuck up, cry, lose your job, have a trauma, get upset, are depressed, feel like shit, are bipolar, are autistic, are scared, are sick, feel like a waste of space, don’t feel motivated, feel ashamed, or any number of things along those lines, you shouldn’t need to turn to your partner and let it out only once every ten years or turn to addictions to escape from reality. But that’s the social role of men. To just somehow deal with everything, endle…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/23 01:02 PM
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You don’t speak for anybody other than yourself either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 11:21 PM
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Wow, you managed to add racism to your sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 10:47 PM
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Why would many women want anything to do with an ideology that hates them? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 10:46 PM
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I think the main issue with it is that this is just a truth of life. It turns blame on women, but she could also just die in a car accident. So could you. This is true enough, but like everything else with Red Pill bullshit, it errs entirely (and ironically) in assigning God/Devil-like power to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:29 PM
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I think everything basically should be situational and dependent upon things like how threatening the assault is, who has relative strength over the other, etc. Not that gender per se should be factored in at all
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 12:17 PM
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Making her afraid and not realizing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 08:49 PM
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They could post a trillion times about how terrible women are, how your life is super easy, how they feel this way and that way, whatever. You have zero obligation (or even general capability, just because this is a random Internet forum) to make them feel happy. It’s not your responsibility to make them happy with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 03:31 PM
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A lot of men’s lives are lived at the opposite extremes. That doesn’t mean that women’s experiences are invalid because it’s clearly obvious that you get way too much of the opposite things we do. But I’d love a chance to be objectified, ignored, forgotten about, dismissed, etc. to a degree and every once in awhile. Sometimes, I’m having a bad day and just say something I don’t mean and really need whatever I said to be ignored and forgotten about because there isn’t some deep meaning behind it,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 03:09 PM
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No, I’m saying the opposite I’m saying that at some point, you’re not under any obligation to have our approval Most of us know exactly what it’s like to have situations where what we need on a personal level differs from what someone else does Sometimes, that simply means not being with that person But who are you trying to convince? Why do you need men to accept your choices and decisions for them to simply be valid? If someone doesn’t approve of you being single/childless/etc., you should fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 03:05 PM
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Try to do nice things according to what they themselves would want? All the time. Try to genuinely listen and do the things that would truly make me feel better? Rarely. It’s like there’s an inability to accept that different people or two people that simply have different experiences could also have different needs. Like if you aren’t overjoyed at the same treatment that women might be overjoyed by then they feel like you’re saying their preferences aren’t valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 02:13 PM
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If you don’t want to get married, don’t. But presuming that all men everywhere will always just amount to vampires that suck you dry is… presumptuous at best. If you truly want to give up on men and not get married, then do that. You don’t even need a reason to anyway. If you just simply feel better single, then do that. Why the need to launch missiles about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/23 04:20 AM
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What I’ve honestly found, anecdotally, is that divorced women and single bachelors often have remarkably close lifestyles. It seems like, once you have something hit that strips away the habit of social pressures, most people really are not that different. Most just end up wanting a certain floor of comfort, which may vary by the person, but end up accepting that there’s no way to ever reach some sort of perfect life, in any way that you might measure that
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 01:49 PM
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God, and people wonder why it seems like women hate men these days. I’d be pretty pissed off too if I was being talked about like stock prices on CNBC lol “Another bad day on Wall Street, as Kimberly saw a wrinkle in the mirror” is a pretty fucking dehumanizing way to look at other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 05:34 AM
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When has this ever been an actual issue, beyond age gaps that are always seen as bad in general? I’m not sure where, comparing equivalent age gaps individually, people ever think much less weirdly of a 75 year old woman dating a 20 year old guy than if you reverse the genders there.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 04:25 AM
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Derailing what? Many of these standards are being formed because men aren’t really seeing that a lot of the choices are also being considered between simply remaining single and dating at all It isn’t simply a matter of competition between men, but whether or not someone sees partnering up as even worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 07:45 PM
5

The thing people don’t understand about “women’s standards” is coercion Women are often just vocalizing what they’d like to have, rather than setting some standards that they expect men to always meet because they’re now in positions of independence enough to actually have preferences and that’s a good thing I would rather make my partner’s life better than make them marry me because they felt obligated to, were financially reliant on it, or whatever other form of indirect coercion Yes, the avoi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 07:23 PM
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I honestly think the passport bro thing is a way over inflated phenomenon - it’s mail order brides with a new name Something that happens every once in awhile but is really quite abnormal overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 03:16 PM
1

It really depends on what, precisely, you mean. I’d say that if your threshold is “informally accused in a manner that alienated peers in your life currently”? Pretty slim if u have a decent head on your shoulders but not entirely nonexistent either. If you mean “accusations that result in permanent damage like courts and criminal charges”? Probably would have better luck with shark attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/23 02:12 PM
2

Obviously, there’s plenty of shades of gray here I’m not saying women should just go for a deadbeat But for e.g. a workaholic CEO that has a lot of money is a terrible idea in the long run and people would be better off accepting and even encouraging somewhat more mediocrity among men with regard to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/23 12:13 PM
2

Exactly. The pursuit of those types of men (or their imitators) is a driving force behind how fucked up everything is. Women are better off dating mediocre men that are grateful for the small things in life. Not some asshole that thinks he’s king of the world because he invented an app.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 03:09 PM
4

The thing is, in the long run, that social conditioning is actually damaging. The reason why it seems like so many men feel entitled to women is because, frankly, many essentially go about their careers and lifestyles on the notion that they’re doing what their partner or future partner wants. The entire issue between men and women would be moot if both actually met in the middle - go on a relatively inexpensive road trip, spend less on rings and weddings, if you’re a highly educated and high ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 03:06 PM
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I have a particular feeling that “the bar is so low” is a mix of both true and the fact that men feel so low on themselves that they are content with the bare minimum. Most dudes I know would feel perfectly content in a mediocre studio apartment with a lawn chair, air mattress, TV, iPhone, and Xbox. At least for awhile. So long as they’ve got indoor plumbing, internet, electricity, and safety from the elements. By contrast, most women I know are far beyond that and want to live an elaborate life…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 12:23 PM
1

I think the real “male loneliness epidemic” is simply the lack of ability to just go outside and get even a mild amount of activity in. You go outside and there’s a six lane highway in suburbia or people see some random dude walking down the road and call the police. Everyone has cabin fever - spending all their time inside a house, car, or workplace. For those with more testosterone to burn, this is a bigger problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 07:42 PM
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The thing is? Being nice to someone is better than being mean to them, if you want them to like you. I’ve no idea what the RP people are smoking but putting so much thought behind everything and coming up with all sorts of contradictory psychological theories about how to get women to like you is not a recipe for success or your own mental health. Why not just do the nice thing and stop holding onto a need to get a specific result every single time? Some people won’t like you, no matter what you…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 07:38 PM
1

History zigs and zags but I don’t think we’re going back to the dark ages It will go conservative, then liberal, then conservative, then back again. But I don’t think e.g. we’re going back to a time when homosexuality is criminalized or something (at least in western countries and without a massive strike or something if anything close to that were forced on people)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/23 06:31 PM
-1

I mean, the same can be true in reverse, with regard to unrealistic preferences Men seem to have unrealistic physical preferences and women seem to have unrealistic emotional preferences, to around the same extent
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 04:21 PM
12

I feel like half the problem with men nowadays is not accepting that women are as varied as we are. I’m guilty of this myself just as much. You might find, say, 2 in 10 women get the ick from a man being overly emotional/empathetic/submissive/whatever and it can stick in your head as “all women are like this”. I would count the comments and upvotes and just do the math. Just because some women exist that don’t want men to go to therapy and be emotionally available certainly doesn’t mean that all…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:56 PM
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I think a lot of the time, people simply are drawn to novelty. So fewer Caucasian women probably makes for them to be more sought after in your context. But I don’t think that’s really got much to do with actual physical attractiveness; MiddleEastern women are pretty!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 12:17 PM
2

I think a “meeting of the minds” type of thing is a goal in and of itself. Filtering out by specific ideology (red pill/manosphere vs. feminist/lefty) subreddits gives an inaccurate big picture portrayal of what’s actually going on
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 12:24 PM
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Yup. Now it’s like, men need to figure themselves out emotionally or else we’re dependent on women to an unhealthy degree. It’s not sustainable to have a culture and society where seemingly most men are “women or bust” and get extremely depressed/suicidal/emotionally destroyed by not having a partner. I think AI is an advancement in this respect, Most see it as a potential replacement for sex but I kinda see it as a replacement for emotional connection. Similar to how giving robot stuffed animal…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 12:22 PM
2

I simply don’t think women need it as much, especially not anymore. Traditionally, the irony is that men only made ourselves particularly useful in the sphere of financial security but women don’t really need that anymore. Conversely, boys and men, particularly outside of mandatory meet ups in the general public (school especially) often have nobody else. Once you become an adult, the same pressure to be financially successful for a partner kneecaps your ability to form connections to others bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 12:15 PM
1

I don’t think they actually do blame you, but they aren’t accepting enough that it sure feels that way for a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:51 PM
3

Yeah, it’s like… I empathize entirely with the bad things that men have done and I believe you 100% but I’m also not them lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 10:43 PM
2

Yup, like, “I’ll vote for you because it aligns with my values and I do respect what you have to go through, but as a person? I feel I’m not welcome in your life otherwise”.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:33 PM
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Not necessarily just this sub or even mostly it, but reading so many of the things women say has actually made me empathize with other men more To be clear, I’m still pro choice/left/would ally with feminism on 99% of my politics, etc. But the degree to which “men = bad” seems to be the vibe is quite something and makes me feel a sense of discomfort and feel unwelcome in feminist spaces Perhaps to a large degree, I had hoped that women were full of sugar plums and kindness, and that such an atti…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 06:12 PM
1

Why do you seem disappointed that men are not protectors?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 03:55 AM
1

No, not if I was single And not because I would actually have a problem at all with feminists or disagree with them, but because I honestly can’t see a future where I wouldn’t feel like an enemy, especially these days where everything is basically a gender war.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 10:19 PM
4

I guess it depends on the relative importance you feel to different social connections I think men often assign more emphasis to romantic relationships and if we’re taking “dying alone” to simply mean “dying single”, I think it’s much closer to even. I’m not sure dying as an unclaimed body and feeling completely alone would, in practice, be that different than dying with a million connections and being mourned the world over, but feeling completely alone
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 03:15 PM
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Everyone dies alone. The mere fact that men die sooner means that a lot of women die alone too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/23 02:40 PM
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Not really, My desire to get out of bed in the morning and not get high on the couch all the time is exhausted enough as is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 02:45 PM
1

The biggest problem men face is a social norm that doesn’t allow for them to ever be in need.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 03:12 PM
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They just aren’t engaged with. You can say “I love women” and it’ll never get the kind of traction and attention on the internet as everything else you see
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 12:22 PM
7

Because at the end of the day, everything is risky and most of us actually do love you and enjoy your company in our lives. We just don’t have complaints about it to post, frankly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/23 12:09 AM
3

Do they actually? Did you do a peer reviewed study on it or are you just going by how you feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 04:06 AM
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You are going on about your own personal values which is fine. But that doesn’t mean that everybody has them nor does it mean that those values are any better than anyone else’s
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 03:55 AM
1

Speak for yourself lol You can’t just create a weird internet subculture around wild egotistical guesses about how all men must operate, shut down any possibility of alternatives, and then claim to have some sort of scientific high ground to back you up. If you’re not even open to your ideas being challenged, they’re not very strong ones
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 03:49 AM
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Because a lot of men find it hot for women to have a history/“battle scars” There’s not some special math formula you guys can give these things
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 11:22 PM
4

Over 30. I ❤️. MILFs anyway and I come out ahead financially? No brainer!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/23 12:29 PM
1

There’s no need to point this stuff out if you don’t feel that it is noteworthy
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 09:53 PM
1

If you want a bigger picture outlook on this stuff, you’re better off talking to divorced men in their 60s and 70s. Older dads specifically Not midlife crisis assholes in their 30s and 40s. If you bother asking the older ones, they’ll tell you things like “it’s really only a short time” and “that divorce was the best thing she could’ve ever done for me, in hindsight” This notion that women are out to fuck men over en masse is simply not true and most of the arguments over things like alimony, go…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 08:53 PM
0

The implication is clear lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 08:50 PM
0

But that’s what you are implying Just don’t have double standards lol ✌️
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 08:46 PM
1

Then why do you expect women to be that different?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 08:08 PM
1

That’s true of men though too The notion that women are gold diggers or use men for money can be true But men can do this just as often, too To women, to the government, to family members, to employers, etc. The likely context it might surface in may be different between men and women due to different social pressures and circumstances But I don’t see any reason to think that women harbor some sort of vice surrounding these things that exceeds men’s So singling out women for wanting to marry a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 08:04 PM
3

Depends on how you would define a lot, but certainly too many do
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:16 PM
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I don’t agree with them at all but I do agree that they’re attitudes that men are taught to hold about women from a very young age.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:27 PM
0

Part of raising your SMV is not using acronyms like SMV
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 03:13 AM
1

Why are men not allowed to be emotional in this view of the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/23 01:55 AM
1

Yeah, a lot of these arguments on here about men being screwed over in divorce are about 20 years outdated, at best
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 08:03 PM
5

A lot of men nowadays fall into the category of actually being the prospective financial beneficiaries of a divorce because they make less money than their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 12:41 PM
1

There’s a lot of edgy internet commenters that are insecure and jump at the opportunity to pile onto someone else
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 10:39 AM
1

I think there’s a difference between people making fun of something and them actually minding it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 10:24 AM
2

I think the narrative that men are bothered by body hair is overblown Armpit hair and things like that, imo, are fine for most guys. I don’t think they like beards on their gfs usually though
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 08:43 PM
5

What is it that you think women “doing what they want to do” would even look like? I’m not sure anybody can compare something that only offers one thing to compare (eating Cheetos and playing video games all day)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 04:07 AM
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This is a basic natural reality of socioeconomic development. Greater wealth and technology in a society leads to lower birth rates. Instead of freaking out about this, western countries need to watch Japan closely to see where they’ll be in a decade or two and what works or doesn’t to keep society moving forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 11:44 PM
1

In my experience, simping can honestly be a great idea. At least, in moderation. Women are just people and nobody wants to be with someone that thinks they can just cheat code their way into their pants.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 05:57 PM
1

Why would you want to leave a traumatic impact behind?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/23 12:31 PM
2

If it’s consensual for both parties, that’s fine But treating someone like that presumptively is not right
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/23 02:41 PM
2

Nobody wants people spending money that isn’t theirs
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 07:17 PM
1

Everyone just plays hide and seek with who they are, just stop yelling about it
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 01:10 PM
0

Fuck no, that’s legal I have to pay someone else’s student loans What do you think I’m going to do?????
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 09:08 PM
0

But that’s the game She’s tired of the student loans because she can’t go back with those But everyone else can go fuck themselves She got that real life education You just have to know who is screwing who
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 09:01 PM
1

Which is why we’re saying the same thing by saying the opposite thing because who even gives a shit anymore? I got a house and legal weed!!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 08:55 PM
1

It costs money to make money Just marry your shadow and be honest
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 07:51 PM
1

And you just want an equal share, so it’s all already figured out Because you could take half the richest guy in the world’s shit and end up with 22 billion dollars, and he’ll also have 22 billion dollars.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 07:38 PM
2

Because they can’t anyway. They all get old and slow.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 07:37 PM
1

Fuck no. So long as I get to sell pics of my feet and smoke legal weed, too ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 07:36 PM
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Yeah well, replace the word sex with money there and you’ll figure out your confusion Everybody is only playing with time That’s the only game anybody plays
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 06:46 AM
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What the fuck are you on dude? Nobody wants to hate sex all the time You also gotta sleep, eat, shit, etc. You can’t expect anybody to give you sex all the time
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/23 06:43 AM
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All you have to know is how to treat people that are smaller than you. Just stop scaring them. Use words and not fists and guns. It’s terrible to have somebody that can kill you tell you about it That’s awful
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 11:01 PM
1

I mean, if you guys hate each other, somebody has to call the lawyer.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 10:39 PM
1

Just send the first message and pay on the first date. They’re afraid of you picking them based on their money and all you have to do is show them that you aren’t going to do that the first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 10:34 PM
1

Exactly. A bunch of old white dudes stole a fundamental right from you. So just steal the money stuff from them. Nobody owns stocks anyhow. That GameStop shit is funny as hell! Do you know anybody that’s actually harmed that much when the line goes down anymore? But you probably know a ton of people who have either had an abortion, known of one, or been afraid of needing one to save their life. Just steal from them and figure out how not to go to jail because that’s where they belong, since they…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 10:28 PM
1

Just balance it. We both can get money. Just stop scaring them because you’re afraid of them judging you for wanting to get money the easy way, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 10:22 PM
1

Nah bro, that’s just life. Everything is fine because everything just dies eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 10:11 PM
1

I’m trying to tell them the game because I basically just see what they’re going through and want them to know But you have to have someone go through pain to really see them. It’s scary to meet other people honestly. But when you do, you do. And it takes seeing that you agreed with the people that were wrong to realize it. That’s why Biden is the best president ever, you’re just gonna sit on your ass and get legal weed but then your kid is going to be mad that his kid doesn’t even have to take …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/23 08:27 PM
0

Yeah, Having a job sucks balls.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 03:07 PM
2

We all have some of both genders in us and women feel safer around men that aren’t ashamed of being a little bit feminine these days because they’re aware that we’re way less likely to hit them behind closed doors.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 12:13 AM
0

How? Everyone around them is in pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 11:12 PM
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Love is letting people not like you, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:00 PM
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On the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 02:41 PM
1

Sure, but what way is productive and what way is performative? Just because something is a win for you in the short term, does not mean it always will be forever. Poor Andrew Tate might even be drowning in pussy, but if you give it 60 years, he’s going to be on his deathbed with a bunch of people that he hurt feeling happy that he’s gone. Seems like a terrible way to go, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 04:45 AM
1

I think the problem is the other way around - so many of the men that have issues dating blow up and hate women, so naturally, at some point, women just start assuming that any guy with dating problems hates them. It poisons any potential for empathy because they’re so used to you blaming them for it. It sucks to have issues but nobody can help you much if you blame them for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/23 04:37 AM
2

Do you never have times when you have mood swings and feel emotional without a particularly good justification for it? I think we all do and they just don’t want to feel alien for having feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/23 12:35 PM
1

It feels like biggest problem with self improvement in general is that there’s not enough of a critical lens on what, exactly, ought to be improved in the first place. So many people end up working so hard to correct things that were never major problems at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:26 PM
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But the way they’re talking about it, you’d be forgiven for thinking it’s all just about a desire for constant free sex, from anyone they want, at all times. The way these dudes talk about their loneliness issues doesn’t do them, or anyone else, any favors.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 10:24 PM
2

Or perhaps not fast enough, despite how fast you try to run
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 07:29 PM
17

Exactly. It’s excess capitalism. There is no time and space to just sit still and feel stuff. You’re constantly running and never recharging.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 03:12 PM
13

Nobody wants to be with someone that yields on everything and that they can never get to know because their preferences are always hidden. That doesn’t mean they want someone that treats them like shit either.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 12:39 PM
1

Can you tell me what I’m wrong about? I appear to be incredibly stupid. Explain like I’m five please
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 11:37 AM
3

But you can have the best science in the world and if you aren’t actually measuring or solving something that matters, it’s irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 11:55 PM
5

A mean value of what though? Isn’t what you decide to measure subjective?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 11:15 PM
7

Yeah, but sometimes it takes a long term relationship to figure that out though too
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:55 PM
2

So why not go fit in with the entirety of that role and test drive it for yourself? The thing feminism fucks up on is not providing any room for men to say life is fucked up for us too. If you think it’s super easy to be a provider, get drafted into war, be expected to work a job that’ll kill you to make the people around you happy with you, then you’ve never had a better time to at least have the decency of testing your own hypothesis. Hop in and drive that car. It is not easy either. That does…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 10:11 PM
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Why would you not? Aren’t we all, once you get down to the basics, just mediocre anyway? You just have to find the kind of mediocrity that fits you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 08:42 PM
1

No. We just never ask for help and then blame you for not helping. Like, we might have the pain of feeling like it’s expected and overlooked of us to hold all the doors, carry all the heavy stuff, do the gross chores, etc. because it sucks feeling like something you’re doing out of love that you don’t actually want to do is seen as just weird stuff men do by nature. It would always be easier to have a second pair of hands to take the trash out or bring the groceries in. But that’s also not your …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/23 08:19 PM
2

I don’t care if it’s an isolated thing that entertains you and helps you feel better but if you’re so far in and divorced from reality that you think the earth is flat, that’s another story.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 11:03 PM
0

Exactly. I think once you get over the pressure points, men and women’s preferences in the other are very similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 03:12 PM
3

Yeah. Men not having access to casual sex, in and of itself, isn’t even a problem There’s plenty of nakedness on the internet and we just conflate sex with loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/23 02:51 AM
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Yes, it would change the dating problems into marriage ones lol I hardly think that’s a better option
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 10:47 PM
1

Why not both?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/23 05:46 PM
3

Why would it be wrong? It’s just a preference. That being said, I think it’s just one of those things where every a-hole misogynist is probably going to want a submissive partner But that also does not mean that every man that wants a submissive partner is an a-hole. It’s more just the closeness of association. But that doesn’t mean anything for an individual person necessarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:15 PM
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I think it’s gotten more common All dating really is, is about matching people based on the smorgasbord of things they bring to the table. If dating in 2023 means that a less physically attractive woman can go out, get a Master’s Degree. work for a Fortune 500 company, make 500k a year and snag a dude making 30k at the warehouse but who looks like a Michelangelo statue, that’s probably the best thing for everyone because it gives more people more options and more ways to be successful. Obviously…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 01:48 AM
1

I would love them because they’re just cool to have around. Not absolutely everything has to be about your ability to eternally bone other people. Even ones you find hot, you can still hang out with and play important parts in each other’s lives, even if you never smash. It’s sad that this is something so few people seem to understand. But just because you’re attracted to women, even particular ones, doesn’t mean you then must have every part of your entire concept of them be about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 01:29 AM
1

There’s plenty of us that would rather be the submissive partner anyway. The loudmouths tend to speak over everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 12:47 AM
3

I honestly think it’s the opposite And we’re mostly just too scared to admit it to ourselves
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:12 PM
4

I think younger men are giving heavier women more chances and younger women are giving poorer/less educated men more chances It’s not an all at once thing, but I think people are aware that the traditional “gender goals” are not necessarily matching reality and society is in a transition towards accepting that
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:44 PM
3

Uh, by the time most people are through their twenties, they have their own histories. This is nothing exclusive to women or men, it’s just life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 10:49 AM
5

I think millennial and Gen Z men are caught in this weird middle where older generations criticize them as useless for making less money, not having a degree or full time job, etc. and their peers that care a lot less about it. So it’s dawning on a bunch of younger men that the implied goal for men of socioeconomic success (to get a partner and have a family) wasn’t even necessary (because women don’t really need men’s money, even though any extra money is always nice to have) and they’ve commit…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 03:53 PM
5

Because too many are obsessed with on-paper results and don’t think things through Having a partner is great, but if you don’t even like each other? there’s nothing that’s better about that, in the long run, than just being single Frankly, I’m coming around to the idea that for most of human history, most husbands and wives who started families have not actually loved each other
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 10:32 AM
5

Yes. But that’s not a reason to stop it. So have cars, suburbs, the Internet, electricity, plumbing, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 01:49 PM
1

What’s terrible about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:58 PM
0

You make women look impossible You really think anybody could provide all of that for you? Your expectations are just too high, I have like two or three of them - be okay being naked with me, stick around, and don’t be too mean lol - my wife meets them with flying colors and I’m happy as can be with it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:31 PM
4

Wanted. Need is involuntary. If I’m not making someone happy, I don’t want to feel like a prison.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:16 PM
2

The issue isn’t intrinsic qualities in men or women, so much as the fractured nature of the relationship between us Tbh, I think 95% of gender issues would be solved if women would pay on the first date every once in awhile and men would change a damn diaper every once in awhile The roles and needs have simply changed. You’re not going to find many partners, if you are a man, that have time to clean up after you You’re not going to find many partners, if you are a woman, that can provide financi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 05:33 PM
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That she needs to be more specific Do you want me to hold you? To provide for you? To hug you? To kill a bug for you? Actually protecting someone is, frankly, impossible Framing it so vaguely just stresses people out
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 05:21 PM
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Individually? All of those are perfectly reasonable Comprehensively? Good luck with the lottery ticket! Lol I’m not even trying to be mean or something It would be next to impossible for a human to check all your boxes
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 05:01 PM
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Oh ffs, man “Modern women” didn’t do anything They’re just trying to get through the damn day like anybody else If we’re lonely/horny/depressed/sad/whatever, that’s valid But we can’t keep making all of this stuff other people’s problem That’s all basically anybody asks of anyone else
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 01:01 PM
1

Rad! So what’s the problem then?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 12:48 PM
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That’s a pretty long list of demands lol I’m just happy my wife lives in the same house I do
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 12:12 PM
2

Honestly, if that’s how you feel about the entire thing, then why not just buy a vibrator, watch porn, play boyfriend video games, talk to an AI bf, etc.? I don’t even mean that jokingly You could do all of that for like 30 dollars and most of it for free If you really feel that way, then what are you doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 12:10 PM
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What are you guys even drawn to in men anyway? Like, at least with dudes, if we’re nice we might want hugs from you or if we’re not, we’ll probably mention boobs or ass or something sexual But is there anything at all that you actually like that men do/have/etc.? all I ever hear about is how we’re scary and smelly, so it kinda just feels like women dating men at all is a weird act of terminal compassion? What’s the point? Why not be a lesbian or just not even bother? Are we just burdensome to yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 03:29 AM
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Okay, so we’re going to go about calling her an abusive person for her doing a few things wrong? If the idea is that women too easily pigeonhole men as being misogynistic/abusive/etc., doing it the other way around doesn’t seem like a good way to make anything better You nor I have any clue what the details of her life are or what goes on in her head or what even happened, beyond what is presented on the Internet
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 02:54 AM
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Eh I think this is correct but for the wrong reason. I think the biggest problem is that men/women will read the worst posts by the worst people about how they should all die in a fire and, because those posts are often engaged with 500,000 times (precisely due to the fact that most people find them appalling), hateful things will simply get more traction on the Internet than kind ones It’s basically the same as anything else wrong with the internet
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 01:07 AM
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Too many women are insecure about having their own preferences, when in reality, that would be the most relatable and best thing they could communicate to men “I’m just not into you” is at least better than this But men also need to learn how to take bad news that feels embarrassing, like rejection
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 10:01 PM
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Regardless, it makes no difference Just because a woman isn’t a victim in a breakup doesn’t mean she’s the bad guy either I would argue her actions agree after are the issue But Sometimes, shit don’t work out
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 09:59 PM
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Sometimes, relationships just don’t work out. Jonah Hill is a former fat guy and probably hella insecure about being passed up for other dudes by women he dates. She’s perfectly in the right to not like that and end the relationship But not every relationship ends because a man is a misogynist or abusive. At some point, women, too, need to accept that they can have preferences without needing to morally defend them If she just didn’t like his insecurities or personality or whatever, that’s good …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 08:11 PM
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There’s truth in this. Given that men and women are both, overall, capable of providing for themselves, opposite sex relationships naturally have to evolve into a state of friendship or there’s no way that they can be sustainable If all your partner is providing are logistics - whether that’s money, sex, breastmilk, chores, etc. - but you don’t actually like hanging out with them, your relationship is going to crash and burn once some of those logistic needs are not necessary. Nobody wants to li…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 05:27 PM
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Yeah but like… we do this too, it’s just normal for us. We want a soapbox to make our experiences known and to feel empowered like that too. To basically have our life story seen and read. That women are doing so now is not very different from what we have done all the time, except the fact that women are doing it They’re just people too and you can’t expect people to be perfect. Nobody wants to feel like their existence isn’t seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 12:50 PM
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Yeah it’s weird. Like if you give yourself a chance to cool off the horniness side of things, you end up in a much better headspace with opposite sex friendships The unfortunate thing is that most of the advice to men treats it like it’s the opposite process When really, we often get horny first and attached after lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/23 12:05 PM
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Yes. While I’m probably more likely to feel attraction to them and it makes me feel guilty/bad, I’m also self-aware enough to respect their boundaries and I honestly appreciate who they are as people and the things they’ve done for me, even if I was attracted to them and they said no You don’t have to fuck or be in a relationship with someone to care about them and appreciate them. And they don’t have to give you that to care about you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 09:07 PM
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Obviously, it would be a lot better for women because they wouldn’t be traumatized and frightened But people discount how much better it would be for men, too, because you wouldn’t have to wonder if the other person is just faking kindness to you so that you don’t kill them
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 02:30 PM
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Women and men are brought up in distinct roles that demand distinct coping mechanisms to navigate them. Men’s and women’s seemingly different behaviors are simply human beings navigating different mazes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 03:38 AM
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I think they’re hot but would never date them because I’d be too insecure of losing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 01:10 PM
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I think men and women need to just drop everything and start over at human-ing; as friends without expectations. Loneliness among men, for instance, is not going to be helped by pigeon-holing any nonsexual relationship between men and women as friendzoning. I have no idea why having a female friend isn’t a win for guys simply because they might not be down to fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 04:14 PM
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Yes, otherwise, how is anyone supposed to really know you? Sure, your partner could leave, die, or use it against you. But that’s the price of it and always has been. I can’t imagine just being disconnected forever at a most basic level
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 01:00 PM
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As a member of the beta cuck community that ended up married, I don’t really buy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 09:21 PM
1

Someone can flip a handful of words in this rant and say the exact same about men lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 09:03 PM
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It really wouldn’t have much of an impact, in and of itself, at all; at least on how I see someone
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 02:07 PM
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I think men showing emotions is one of those “price of admission” things. Basically, does it suck when it goes badly? Very much so! But is it also one of the best things in the world to feel like you can be emotionally honest and vulnerable with your partner (or women generally)? Absolutely! Rejection/ostracism/criticism/cruelty are all valid and extremely painful things. But at least in my experience, it actually is worth it for when things go well. There’s something primal and comforting about…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 01:59 PM
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Personally, I love women. They treated me kindly when others didn’t, accepted me even as a fairly strange person, and they have, just overall, cared about me. I’m not sure what the deal is with the dudes that are constantly mad at or towards women. I can understand loneliness and frustration but nobody is guaranteed to get what they want in any part of their lives and, in any case, men being lonely and frustrated is simply not an issue that is fair or even wise to solely leave up to relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 04:19 AM
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I actually think this is changing but very slowly because things that are as long term as opposite sex relationships take generations to really see any changes play out. I additionally think that the notion of hypergamy in women is proving less and less true as women run laps around men in things like college degree attainment People too often think that any adaptations in terms of gender and family will necessarily just happen. In reality, it takes a long time for anything like that to actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 08:00 AM
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Find other ways to fulfill sex drives that are agreeable to both parties
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 07:52 AM
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A robot fuck buddy, a blue collar die-on-the-job economy, never being sure if your wife actually loves you or simply can't leave you, and flying overseas for fuck buddies? That just sounds like an incredibly depressing future. For men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 07:48 AM
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Yes but only because life is extremely lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 10:35 PM
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Maybe people should enjoy their partner’s company more and stop expecting to be provided with anything at all beyond that. If you aren’t starting there, how can you tell if you actually like who you’re with or just something indirect that they give you? Restarting from that point might help. Anything in life that requires work and effort but is expected just becomes resented.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/23 12:30 PM
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What's different between the two on that front? Men don't seem fond of women much of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 05:33 PM
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There are no inherent differences between men and women beyond physical and mental attributes that are only different due to hormone levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 05:41 AM
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What I cannot understand, for the life of me, about Red Pill is pretty simple - why, in the first place, is the goal to just get with the person that makes your dick hardest at first glance? I would honestly argue that men have been doing that forever and, well, what happens next? Most of the men I've known in my life that end up miserable in their 40's and 50's simply did that instead of actually asking themselves what kind of a person would be fun to be around in the first place? I get the des…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 07:16 PM
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I think seeing these things as black and white blinds people to the reality that everything in life just isn't that way. I feel attracted to a ton of people but that doesn't mean I feel enough of it to fuck them nor does it mean that I don't value a friendship enough to not jeopardize it. It's fine to be attracted to friends, you decide how to proceed with it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:02 PM
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I think video games are simply a symptom and not a cause. Most straight men, imo, internally tie most of their self-worth in the eyes of women to their jobs and income. In an era where a lot of men (and women, but I do think the social expectations differ) can basically just hope to move boxes or pour coffee forever or fear being layed off every 3 years, even from a supposedly good job, there's simply a mismatch. We have no alternative social anchor with which to feel a sense of attachment to so…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 09:10 AM
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No, too timid. I would want an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 04:59 PM
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They'd a loud minority of men that scream about what they want and think that they speak either for the rest of us or as the boss that gets to decide what men ought to want. Nonetheless, mens interests vary as much as women's do and trying to tailor yourself to the imagined ideal of your preferred gender to date is never a good idea because you're never going to find a good fit for you if you're acting like a totally different person than you really are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 03:48 AM
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Bosses are the least leave you alone positions in life
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 08:56 PM
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Leaving ppl alone and not trying to control them unless something they do actually effects you
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 08:17 PM
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Nobody wants to make the case that wielding power, in and of itself, is an unnecessary stressor anyhow but they probably should. Because there's so many people that clutch power out of fear that they'll lose it and most people don't even want that kind of life anyway. Comfortable life, sure. But it would be miserable to be at the absolute top.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 07:12 PM
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I think most are more afraid of being losers in today's hierarchy than trying to conceive of a better way of doing things. There is no inherent reason why we all have to have a "boss" above us to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 07:03 PM
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Further ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:48 PM
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I think most of them are not actually interested in men's rights so much as redesigning society in such a way that the type of person they are is simply on top by default. So no, not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:46 PM
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Men are much more reliant on women to provide stronger levels of emotional comfort. Women can find that from basic friendships in a way men often can't
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 01:39 AM
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I think a better argument would be that women simply work too hard and that work, paid or unpaid, is not always good in the first place. One thing I always feel guilty about, as an adult, is receiving nice gifts because it feels awkward and like you have to justify yourself as worthy of it. There's a lot of unhelpful assumptions people make about others, but how often many people find themselves in situations where nicer/wealthier/cleaner/more glamorous things actually make them less happy than …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 12:47 AM
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And so are we! Isn’t that just human?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 10:13 PM
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Men are allowed to do whatever we want to do. I know this, because that’s exactly what I’m doing. That’s the problem, women are just feeling a bit unheard and just want to be able to do what they want, too. They’re just people, why deny them that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 10:12 PM
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I want to be okay with it, but I wouldn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/23 09:21 PM
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Unattractive wife. You gotta keep those single dudes in line. Can’t have them being happy as they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 07:01 PM
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I don’t disagree. I just think you’re willing to work harder than me and that scares us both.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 06:52 PM
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Everybody values people along so many different measuring sticks that we all feel schizophrenic about it. If you find yourself short on one thing, work on a different thing that’s within your control.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 06:16 PM
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I think the biggest issue women face is that y’all don’t want to accept that nothing is absolute. You have your own set of advantages that you don’t want to give up, just like we do. That’s why everything feels so stuck. The same way I don’t want to give up the ability to breeze through life and push papers around in a suit and tie so that I don’t have to actually put effort in, you don’t want to give up the ability to just twerk for 5 seconds and have a guy turned on by it and at your disposal,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 03:57 PM
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It’s just embarrassing because we’re always (literally) sticking out and showing you all our cards. But women seem perfect because nothing shows. When you feel turned on by something you’re ashamed of, you don’t even have to try to hide it. So unless we get to the point of trusting that you are also a person that gets the equivalent of awkward boners too but just lucked into not having to be physically embarrassed by default, we’re kinda gonna feel like we’re inherently awful and shameful becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/23 03:22 PM
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The only things that are ever demonized are things that are socially acceptable enough to talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 10:46 PM
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It’s more acceptable for men to act horny than it is for us to act loving.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 10:35 PM
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How can you hate somebody that you’re trying to offer ideas to?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 08:37 PM
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We should create more walkable cities that allow men to burn off the energy of testosterone and be happier people to be around.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 07:13 PM
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And that’s one thing about being a dude that sucks in 2023 because it feels like half the people around you want for you to lie and claim you never want to fuck because to even feel that way is to objectify them. Like you’re Gandhi testing your urges or some shit. And then the other half are yelling at you to not even bother seeing women as people. But nobody really gets it. Men are capable of having both a shameful boner for, and loving the hell out of, other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 06:52 PM
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No, we just view everything, on a certain level, through the lens of feeling guilty about our sex drives. Wish it were easier for people to understand that it’s possible to be both loving and horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/23 06:07 PM
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Yes. If you think we built the entire world to impress women, they must’ve had really cool shit to offer for it. Because I don’t get out of bed for things that aren’t worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 05:52 PM
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Yup. I’ve always had the need to have the option to leave it behind without being homeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:55 AM
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No. I hate working myself. All the worse if I feel like there’s no option to ever change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:52 AM
1

Like pheromones? I’m sure there’s probably something there but it’s also kind of invasive to ask random ppl about their taste in semen volume.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:41 AM
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Can you even tell?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 02:37 AM
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I can only speak for myself, but I love hanging out with women. Whether it’s dating or friendships or whatever context In my experience, they’re much easier to be honest around bc they’re more okay with vulnerability. Which is opposite to a lot of the discourse on here. I think there’s just a loud set of ppl that try to speak for everyone in any given group about anything. All i know is that the hating women thing is certainly not the only perspective. It’s just the loudest.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:01 PM
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I think it’s more the case that women tend to favor traits in men that are simply different doses of traits that they often deem toxic otherwise. Men are usually either more chill or favor traits that are all in a particular direction, rather than a happy medium. I think women’s desires in masculinity are more of a complicated and high stakes balancing act for men to attain, whereas what men desire of femininity is more in one direction, with less severe consequences for failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 06:34 PM
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He’s just a conman like any other. The irony of dudes getting all mad about women apparently making millions for showing a bit of booty on OF and yet looking up to a guy that makes millions as an influencer that desperately avoids any sort of actual hard work by preying on the insecurities of young guys and attributes of other ppl that he takes money for should not be overlooked. If you’re gonna be mad at the OF thing, the least you can do is not fall for the Andrew Tate/“alpha male” influencer …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:38 PM
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I think it’s a proxy for politics and other similarities these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 05:00 PM
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A lot of you RP dudes are way too naive in regards to how much most ppl actually want the pitfalls of having to have a real job. That shit sucks. Sugar dating makes a lot of sense if the guy is remotely tolerable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/22 02:51 PM
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People act like men aren’t just the same and wouldn’t be just as likely to sugar date if the opportunities presented themselves as often.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 07:55 PM
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No it’s okay lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 12:55 AM
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I don’t want it to be told, I want it to be acted upon lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 12:44 AM
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I want to feel attractive, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/22 12:04 AM
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See yourself in the other person. Would you not be profoundly offended if someone dehumanized you into a product with an instruction manual?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/22 07:20 PM
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Not if you’re going to hide behind it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 12:41 AM
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Why are we cloaking our deep-seated fears that women are more okay without us than the other way around by constantly seeing men’s dating woes as a dispassionate math problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 12:40 AM
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Meh, I kinda feel like feminism as a concept is often just a socially acceptable way for women to convey anger in a world that teaches them to never be mad. Especially if they feel a lot more anger than they “should”. But the problem is, I’ll never be able to see women as equal (read: the same as me) unless I hear about how many times they want to kill me and how often they take big dumps. All of that stuff about equality and human rights is scary because I’d cry if I started thinking about that…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 12:36 AM
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Or maybe the extent to which men crave relationships is the extent to which our biological evolution is coalescing around the simple fact that being a nicer person is better on the human race? For all of the arguments about what is natural, there seems to be a massive element of taking your eye off the ball. The most fundamental instinct is to stay alive. I don’t think it’s heretical to argue that we’re finding that people being nice makes that more likely for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 02:05 PM
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Nah, they just want to exploit vulnerable young dudes by giving them easy answers to life because doing so gets them clicks and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 10:36 PM
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I agree with most things that they are concerned with actually but come to very different conclusions when I really dive into it. For example, false rape allegations. I must admit that the thoughts and feelings of fearing that happen to me, too. But then, why? Well, I am afraid that getting falsely accused would then lead to a situation where I then lose some legal battle, then I get put in prison where I would then be raped by a bigger dude than me. And what is more likely from a simple probabi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 05:34 PM
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But you seem to have really thought out the logistics and consequences of attacking and killing men, somewhere in your head lol I’m not going to argue that men aren’t more fucked up in outward behavior. And you’re absolutely right that that has everything to do with physical ability and social acceptability. But, at the same time, reading what you are saying, it sure seems like the things in your head are just as fucked up. And I can respect that. That’s cool and human!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 11:01 PM
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This is the most well-adjusted response. Thread over. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 02:51 PM
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Yes. I feel like if you expect other people to not have a similar darkness as you, you’re being a special snowflake and not affording them a basic part of the human experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 02:50 PM
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Most of the men that feel sadly high levels of longing for women do so because they were hurt by men (often fathers) back in the day and turned to women a long time ago as their only source of emotional comfort.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 04:50 AM
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That’s up to you if you want, but I’m not gonna bother you myself in case u don’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 04:00 AM
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Are we more narcissistic or less ashamed of accepting how narcisstic we’ve always been?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 03:45 AM
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It makes sense. How can I tell where “I” end and “you” begin? Maybe a deep cause of our suffering is that we trick ourselves into thinking we’re not just different places that are on the same pile of goo floating through life. Maybe you’re no more alien to me than my own arm is. And that when you are hurt, it is only natural for me to feel it because I am too. What if you and I are just two different words for the same thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 03:21 AM
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Oh totally. It’s a dumb idea to simp for women if you’re wanting to be respected as a leaderly person by them because that’s not going to turn out well 9 times out of ten. But if you’re into it because it’s your thing, then it kinda makes sense in its own way. The biggest issue I have with it is that it gets cloaked in a moral superiority where you get to avoid accepting that you’re just as after your own desires as everyone else is. You’re not selfless compared to every other man because your t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 01:58 AM
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I think this neglects the fact that a lot of the men you’re talking about gain their own enjoyment from simping. It’s just bad if they can’t accept that they’re not special and are doing their thing for their own desires, just like everybody else is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 01:46 AM
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Have they become more selfish and narcissistic over time? What data supports this?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 01:24 AM
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What if evolutionary biology is trending in a progressive and fewer-child future because doing so is actually biologically advantageous in the long run by avoiding overpopulation and needless death? The trajectory of societies being less patriarchal and more egalitarian over time cuts against this notion that RP is some hidden truth. For all the clout RP dudes give evolutionary biology, they make a lot of presumptions about the present and future that are simply impossible to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 01:00 AM
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Or they’ve got varied interests in men just as men do the other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 12:52 AM
2

So aren’t we right back to square one? Women being different than men is yet another thing they share with us.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 12:50 AM
2

Men and men are inherently different too
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 11:17 PM
1

Sounds like antivax maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 11:04 PM
2

That’s just your opinion, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 10:39 PM
1

Yes. It just feels like the same dynamic that causes us to overlook humanity in other ppl to that greater degree that you mentioned is also a deep cause of our own suffering. Feeling like the world revolves around you sucks because it feels like one wrong move and you’re toast. And maybe there’s a hope within that where things can get better because the same things that hurt you also hurt me, even if in a different way. I want off that train too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 10:26 PM
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I guess what I’m really trying to say is that we’ve internalized a concept of women as “other” to such a degree because we’ve conditioned ourselves to believe that our lives are more important than they really are. It would help everyone if we could chill out and just be a face in the crowd more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 10:01 PM
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That was shamelessly an attempted clickbait title, not the main argument I was trying to make though
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 09:56 PM
1

Precisely. We feel like such things are ours alone and exclude you from a deeper understanding of our lives as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 09:55 PM
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Those are obvious and therefore have much clearer ways to address, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 09:49 PM
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I think it’s less that we’re hiding it and more that we assume you are too innocent to have the same thoughts. You ever think about driving into oncoming traffic? Or stabbing someone? I’m not saying wanting to. But having the thought hit and feeling profoundly uncomfortable as a result? You probably do. Maybe even more than I do. That’s what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 09:48 PM
2

It is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 08:55 PM
5

Uh it is? Worship is what inevitably leads to disappointment and impossible expectations. Not an understanding that humans have flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 08:38 PM
3

You’re missing the point completely. The way to value and respect people is to accept that they are flawed just like you are. Not to see them as these angelic beings that fell out of the sky.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 08:32 PM
10

Why? Porn isn’t a person. Porn can’t cuddle. Porn can’t do spontaneous romantic things. Porn doesn’t have the ability to be a flawed human companion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 08:27 PM
1

How is it across topics? All I’m saying is that women are different than men. Just like men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 08:06 PM
1

Of course. I think it’s important for everyone to realize how much their own “nature” is a coping mechanism for the performative expectations that are placed on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 08:05 PM
1

Thank you, Merriam Webster!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 07:58 PM
2

And how different is your brain from every other guy? Why is it that we’re so quick to point out the differences men have to women and yet take it on faith that “men” are such an easily understandable group that can be simplified into such broad strokes? What if not all men have the same goals and aspirations in life and that part of being a half decent person is the simple chillness that there’s a lot of people that just aren’t the same as us. Why is women being different from us not just anoth…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 07:56 PM
2

So you don’t envy women because the expectations are scary high?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 07:45 PM
2

That’s a very strange description of someone’s toilet habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 07:44 PM
9

Yes, you deserve the right to poop! And to talk about it!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 07:43 PM
3

Username checks out?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 07:12 PM
3

Which is fine. But I think if men truly worshipped women, we’d at least have enough respect for them to listen when they say that they’re fallible and flawed people too. To love another person is to accept that they are so much more like you than it’s comfortable to acknowledge. If men truly worshipped women, we’d stop worshipping them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:57 PM
6

You do realize that women have human bodies that can occasionally cause explosive diarrhea, too, right? They’re not some sort of alien species.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:53 PM
3

It’s just a clickbaity title lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:48 PM
5

And I can imagine there are plenty of situations where women feel pressured to fake empathy, even though deep down they just want the permission to accept that they don’t actually feel sad for something that they “ought” to be sad about. I feel this too, only to a much lesser extent, because it’s more acceptable for me to be cold and uncaring. Similarly, it’s more acceptable for you to not want to do dirty or dangerous things, even though I hate bad smells/bugs/shit/etc. too lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:45 PM
0

Wouldn’t you want to be worshipped to? Frankly, that just sounds fun
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:42 PM
2

I think a better comparative trait is fear. It’s not like we don’t feel afraid of being drafted into war, assaulted, raped in prison, killed on the job, etc. We just have social roles that request that we tamp down on those feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:28 PM
3

Exactly. We are all just running around chasing what we want. Which is the exact point. We’re all just bullshitting each other to nudge others towards our own selfish desires. Men, women, everybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:24 PM
2

Yes. At least in the “everybody poops” sense. Only more spiritually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:18 PM
12

Try the gummies!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:04 PM
0

How? If we’re going down the Darwin/animal route, you do realize that female dogs often hump male ones too, right? So even the most seemingly “natural” male/female behavior of fucking vs. being fucked isn’t an ironclad law of animal nature either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:04 PM
-1

Why would they not want to be seen as a goddess or queen? Wouldn’t you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:02 PM
1

So what? we’re really all just playing a game out of spite and probably ought to just chill out and laugh about it because we all just want what we want, but don’t want our selfishness to be revealed?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:34 PM
0

The idea that alpha and beta are real things is a dubious concept at best, for starters: https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/the_myth_of_the_alpha_male
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 01:06 PM
0

Victim complex about what exactly? Wanting to be seen as a person that does things that people do?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:32 AM
1

Maybe so but I still think that breakdown of your theory is simply too specific.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:31 AM
2

I’m not sure how you can argue on the one hand that men have a variety of kinks and yet on the other that those kinks obey oddly specific patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:28 AM
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Dude, everyone uses traditionalism and biology to support what they want and rejects it if it doesn’t. Why does this sub constantly seem to call out women for engaging in behavior that we all do? It’s like there’s this weird thing going on where we all expect them to be angels instead of people and get mad when they do the same things as us, as if it ought to beneath them to just be a fucked up person like the rest of us?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:13 AM
5

I love masculine women and enjoy them being in charge. Speak for yourself, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 01:45 AM
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30 who looks 20, Ngl, It’s creepy as hell if 24+ men are getting hot thinking you’re 15-17 and losing interest if they find out you’re of age.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 11:47 PM
1

From a simple availability perspective, yes. If you’re going to church every week vs. sitting on the couch, that’s going to give you more chances to meet someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 11:27 PM
1

Provided that there was an audience for it, I’d be the biggest whore imaginable. I’d set up an OF, twerk, wear the most suggestive clothes, get a tramp stamp, whatever else. Why? Because I’m psychologically damaged and wish I could feel desirable but also feel like being a man is inherently undesirable in an “I’d go after you” sense. We’re stuck with the expectation that we’ll do the chasing, which means never knowing if you’re anything better than convenience.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/22 05:48 AM
1

Username…. Checks out
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 01:41 PM
-1

One with access to the internet. Plenty of content on this thing!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:05 AM
1

And a woman’s, for that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:29 AM
4

How exactly is any given average person supposed to do anything about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:27 AM
6

It’s not obvious enough on this subreddit tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:25 AM
0

Why do you ascribe so much god-like power to women to basically run men like they’re controlling zombies?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:24 AM
1

I think it is simply hard to know the line between heathy emotional vulnerability and a sort of TMI element of going too hard, too fast with it. I don’t think women are necessarily turned off by emotional vulnerability so much as the extent to which men might overdo it. A sprinkling of it is enough. Usually for both parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:23 AM
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Absolutely not. It turns individual human relationships and connections into a weird video game. I can understand ppl wanting to look for broader trends as a way of understanding an abstract thing like romantic or sexual relationships. But sociology is just a terrible thing to apply to individuals. On the micro level, most things are too complicated and nuanced to paint with a broad brush.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 11:33 PM
1

I’m thinking this is more likely to be about the characteristics of men in that age group than anything else. I.e. say 30% of men are big and rotund at 20 but 60% are at 25, then you’re going to think more women are opting for those traits when in reality, it’s simply that a lot of the formerly babyfaced men rounded out by then.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/22 07:21 PM
5

I think there’s deeper reasons related to emotional care and support for why men need/want women but I don’t think it would change anything, other than giving men more clarity over why they feel so desperate. I think there’s a lot more emotional need that goes into it than sexual and if men really thought about it, they’d see that side of things more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 11:25 PM
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That’s the type of thing that’s always made me wonder why TRP guys don’t just fuck each other? Like, not even joking, if sex is so important to men and so much easier to get from other men than from women, isn’t that a missed opportunity? Either men have more standards around sex than they think or women aren’t that different from men, in that both have preferences in who to fuck and not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 09:22 PM
0

I denounce and reject myself for it but I’m secretly really into that and want them to peg me, ngl
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 06:15 PM
1

Which is fine but that’s not the point. I mainly am just saying that, overall, men tolerate a lot shittier working conditions than they would otherwise because they feel like doing so will win them a woman. The extent to which that changes, imo, is the extent to which working conditions will improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:42 PM
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I don’t think that’s as true anymore with technology where it is. If deployed in lieu of cultural reservations to it, we already live in a society that is technically automatable in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:33 PM
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Better working conditions and a paradigm away from it mattering so much, so that men don’t put all their eggs in that basket, literally risk terrible harm, and then feel frustrated that they don’t get the girl or hopeless if they don’t succeed in the system. Breaking the cycle is crucial.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:32 PM
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Yeah, it seems like the entire mission statement behind masculinity for generations now has been “do all of these things in your life that you would rather not do and we’ll give you the girl at the end”. I followed that script and the shame of it is that I have no idea what I would actually want to do with my life, except in relation to my ability to have a mate because of it. I think that’s where everything has to start. There’s no way to have a society that respects human autonomy and yet taci…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:01 PM
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Yeah, “Make Men Happy Being Single” seems to be the holy grail of every gender/relationship issue of the 21st century. Like if society could get there to where men and women were equally happy being single, it would be extremely beneficial and there would be a lot more harmony in human relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:33 PM
2

Yeah, I think TRP has a ceiling of support with men because most of us don’t want to work in a coal mine and develop black lung disease at 25 to prove how manly we are. Which I hope is comforting to women because I don’t think we’re going to wake up living in the Handmaids Tale for the simple reason that most men would hate that shit, too. The only ironclad traditional social role for human beings is adaptability. There’s a reason why so many different ppl exist and it’s simply because life is h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:23 PM
1

That’s a safe option!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:15 PM
1

I think that’s more of a symptom of everything else going on surrounding men than a cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:14 PM
1

I believe so. I think there’s a stigma among men that essentially says needing help = losing. So we bottle up our issues because admitting that we’re struggling and not out ahead of everything makes us feel defeated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:12 PM
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I think women would do the human race a lot of good by simply pairing up with softer dudes when possible, in the grand scheme of things. Especially over a few generations. Instead of the guys that pride themselves on their ability to fist fight with grizzly bears.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:09 PM
1

All you really need to do to find a partner is match your standards to yourself. There’s plenty of unambitious women or women who don’t mind men not caring. You just have to be honest with yourself about what you bring to the table (or not), first and foremost.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:03 PM
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The funny thing with this is that, if anything, I’ve noticed the opposite. Though tbh my biggest fantasy when I was 19 or 20 was basically getting with a 30 something woman and being treated like a princess.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 12:50 PM
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Mostly earning money, being kind, and attracting mates that way, if they’re having success. Plenty of men are into that too anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 01:01 AM
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“Abused ppl are not being held accountable enough for their own abuse” is just not something that I agree with lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:21 AM
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Plenty of men are into tall women but it sounds more like they probably won’t want you in the way you want to be wanted. Often the men that are into tall women essentially fetishize it into a femdom thing or something similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 08:13 AM
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Oh, I just tend to deny individual agency in most situations because I think our culture overdoes it. Domestic abuse is only one place I think that occurs. I think how we design societies and policies is far more influential than individuals trying to swim upstream.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 08:07 AM
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No we should do nothing lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 07:52 AM
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Which part am I denying exactly? I simply think you’re assuming more individual agency to the situation than I believe is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 07:51 AM
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Yes. Abused people tend to have lpw self esteem. Groundbreaking analysis!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 07:37 AM
1

Yes! Lol That’s what I’ve been saying the whole time
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 07:36 AM
1

I’m against interfering in either direction
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 12:18 AM
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Wild that everyone is assuming I’m for restricting birthrates when I’m simply against propping them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 12:12 AM
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That’s…. simply not how being abused works.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 10:49 PM
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No. People stay in abusive relationships because they’re either dependent on the abusive person or afraid that person will kill them. Or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 10:15 PM
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Being raised by a single mom necessarily means your life was entirely in the hands of a woman’s ability or inability to provide for you. I don’t think modern masculinity affords much room to accept men being vulnerable at any point in their lives, nevermind vulnerable to women, so the social narrative around masculinity crashes headlong into personal experiences and the dissonance caused by this is settled by seeing everything wrong with how the mom raised you and telling yourself that you had t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:47 PM
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This is an extremely good point. I think there’s something in masculinity wherec as an adult, it becomes impossible to accept you ever having been vulnerable, nevermind being so now; so shitting backwards on single moms makes sense if you have that chip on your shoulder. That being said, sure, single moms aren’t perfect. But what’s the alternative in all these situations where the dad fucks off? I get that a single mom isn’t going to have some perfect telepathy to understand what being a dude is…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:38 PM
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An underrated part of all this is simply that there’s more basic risk to women from men than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:22 PM
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Are they supposed to have kids if they don’t want to? If ppl are that against having kids these days, all I’m saying is, perhaps you need to step up and do more to incentivize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 05:11 PM
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I think hunting, burger eating, red/white/blue American male stuff is generally fine by itself. But if drifting away from that were the cost of getting men to be nicer and more mellow, then so be it, too. Too many men basically think masculinity and anger are the same thing. And if decreasing masculinity generally lessens the anger issues, then I’m for it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:23 PM
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Welp, if you think the falling birth rate is a big problem, perhaps we should make life easier and more optimistic for ppl by addressing climate change, paid parental leave, healthcare, and a host of other problems? That way, perhaps more ppl will feel confident enough about the future to have children again.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 12:18 PM
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I think there’s certainly truth to the idea that men are becoming less masculine because the social rules around behavior are changing. I simply think that it’s better and that women are not the only reason for it. I don’t want to live in a society where acting like an angry and violent hothead is rewarded anyhow. Be nice. Or at least don’t be mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 11:46 AM
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I think the reason why a lot of ppl don’t want to bother engaging in discussions with regard to Red Pill stuff is because, honestly, it’s a very off-putting way to look at ppl. For all of the flack feminism and trans ppl get about terms and pronouns, there’s about two for each of those that make up 90% of the concepts. Meanwhile, Red Pill conversations look like someone writing a computer programming tutorial— TRP, AF/BB, Chad, n count, “females”, average Adam, etc. It’s a really offputting and …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:19 AM
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I think there’s a big distinction between finding someone hot and finding someone you would want to be in a relationship with. I mean, I find Boebert hot but also would not be able to exist in the same state as her for longer than 5 minutes because I would not see eye to eye with her on anything, so, I really don’t think about her at all beyond that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:01 AM
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I kinda think such men dislike not being able to do the same (or, more specifically, the perception that women can but they can’t) more than anything else. Far too many men hate their jobs and take their frustration out on women instead because to take it out on the shitty parts of their work would require them to risk a lot of financial hardsh-…..
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 02:55 AM
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Probably some sort of psychological thing going on but it also seems like a really harmless way of coping. People are fucked up. If what they’re doing to get through the day is not harming anyone, who cares?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 12:33 AM
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And you know this how? You’re saying “we’ve never had this before” and then making a ton of assumptions for how it will go lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 10:26 PM
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Nobody is compelling birthrates to be low. They are simply low for a reason. If women want to have fewer children, irs pretty barbaric to compel them not to. You talk about linear thinking and yet make the assumption that low birth rates will naturally continue forever lol All I’m saying is trying to increase ot decrease birth rates by policy is a historically a terrible idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 10:23 PM
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The notion that 2.1 births per woman is a magic number splitting society from collapse and success is a bit presumptuous, don’t you think? Historically, trying to compel women to have greater or lesser numbers of kids has been a terrible idea. China has had an awful go of it with the one child policy, America had an awful go of it when women were forced give birth to unwanted kids and we are gonna learn that lesson again I guess…. Point is, birth rates are what they are for a reason and a trend …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 10:02 PM
2

What are you talking about? Declining birth rates don’t mean there are no babies at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 08:55 PM
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Nobody said anything about sterilization or whatever. Just that trying to reverse low birth rates is not a good idea since it seems to be a natural progression of economic advancement anyway. Virtually every economically advanced country in the world has declining birth rates. The original question was about doing something to reverse declining birthrates, I’m simply advocating to do nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 05:39 PM
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Lol what part of my opinion has anything to lead to your conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 05:01 PM
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No. Low birth rates are quite good when you consider that the planet is baking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 03:28 PM
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Not really, though I think there’s more now than there used to be. A lot of the problem is habituating yourself to accept painful or otherwise bad mental states as something to be overcome in order to be more manly. So the thing that gets missed is even figuring out when your mental health is in the shitter to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 11:52 PM
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I think mass culture portrays an image of men needing to overcome something to be seen as worthy plus internal psychology pretty much forces human beings to be anxious no matter what. Having an easy life makes it such that you then may feel like you have to pick an enemy because instead of feeling anxious about having a roof over your head, you’re anxious about acne or a crush and admitting that those are your worries would suck because they aren’t seen as particularly justifiable worries, even …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 01:25 AM
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Lol I would not categorize Trump so charitably nor Obama so negatively, but you have a right to say whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 01:16 AM
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I think there is something to the idea that a lot of women (at least in America) were simply appalled that so many ppl voted for a dude that bragged about how he could commit sexual assault to be the president. I do think that general period underscored for women just how politically and morally different many of the men around them were to what they had hoped and so there’s a greater level of mistrust and polarization around gender than there was before. I’m not saying it’s an extremely obvious…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:54 PM
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Idk, desperate men are nothing new, we just have dating apps now. And beyond that, something is driving men to do that sort of thing, so I think this is more a symptom of something than a cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 01:34 PM
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Absolutely not. I cannot think of something more common but archaic, exploitative, and mind-numbingly boring as employment-by-necessity. I’d probably still work in some capacity, but simply on my own terms. Like, if I was bored, I might get a part time job or something. It would be rad to just clock in or out when you felt like it, without needing to worry about calling in sick jeopardizing having a roof over your head. I am an extremely lazy person and mostly okay with that now, after years of …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:49 PM
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I’d strongly question your perceptions of what dating up and down for you actually are vs. what your reality is, if you keep having issues finding someone. I.e. if you look great but are an asshole and keep wondering why you keep missing out, maybe your perception of how important your looks are is simply off
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:46 PM
1

I simply try my best to not be like that after experiencing it myself. There’s not much else to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:43 PM
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I don’t have that many because they would be mostly weeded out by default. I.e. if their personality, values, whatever, actually clashes with mine, I wouldn’t be around them much to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:42 PM
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Looks aren’t everything and they’re subjective anyway. Most of the men yelling the loudest about this sort of thing only confirm what they’re saying about themselves. Not everyone wants a stick thin, submissive Sports Illustrated model.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:39 PM
1

Because most ppl in real life are pretty chill and nothing like the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:27 PM
1

Sure, why not? If I’m friends with someone, I enjoy it by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:26 PM
1

Temporarily, yes I love experiencing different things just to have done it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:25 PM
2

I hate submission in women because I’d rather do it instead
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 05:23 PM
2

Ok but what would a society that is more honest with men look like? That’s not in this answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 02:27 AM
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Not much different. Quite simply, I think the truth of the matter is that women and men are typically striving to do the best they can to fit their honest inner lives into their surface outer roles. All of this constant talk about biological essentials neglects the fact that those apparent essentials are not all that simple. Even if we take all of the red pill concepts at face value - beta and alpha, hypergamy, height and physical build, dominance and submission, whatever the hell else - the fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 02:24 AM
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This is not an actual answer to the question being asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 02:13 AM
0

Because they’ve been working hard for centuries to make things better for themselves and yet are losing long-held rights while other people call them thots and hoes, then bitch on here about not getting laid or having to cope with the absolute travesty of listening to a female sports announcer on TV.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/22 02:49 AM
4

I’ve never seen women treat men half as badly as we treat each other or even ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 09:02 PM
2

Men simply get more out of romantic relationships; and just need them more. At a basic level, women live longer single and men live longer married.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/22 01:03 PM
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I think the lack of societal flexibility for men is a massively undercovered topic. We’ve generally come to accept more range in women’s social roles, while still pressuring men to be the same as they would’ve been 50 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:52 PM
1

I think the the two main factors are money and time. If you make a million dollars on 4 hours of work a week and want to do nothing but pay for shit, that’s understandable too. Obviously, that’s an extreme example. But I do think that if someone is paying for the vast majority of the expenses, if they want to be lazy even if they’d otherwise have the time to pitch in more, that’s frankly understandable too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:47 PM
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Here’s the thing that people have a way too difficult time understanding — It has not been that long since women were banned from owning property, working at all, etc. There are grandmothers and great grandmothers still alive now where that dynamic was present. In the grand scheme of things, the gender dynamics surrounding providership have changed lightning fast, though I do think there’s still a transitional period that is hard on people - i.e. men not being dateable due to lack of money and 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 02:17 PM
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This is actually a simple phenomenon. While feminism has spent 60 years pushing for and working towards the acceptance of women succeeding in careers, there’s not been a parallel movement for men to be trophy wives and clean the house. So all of these young dudes are simply frustrated and burnt out; living with 1950’s provider expectations on themselves combined with 2020’s competitiveness. But they’re too ashamed to accept that because it’s socially dangerous to go against the grain, so they wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 04:19 AM
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If you were to come up with a movement that promoted single dads learning about and happily accepting whatever government aid they qualify for, I would wholeheartedly support it. Men need help too and demolishing government help because you think it is unfair is the exact opposite direction this dynamic ought to go in. Living in a society is a good thing. Nobody ought to be on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:00 AM
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Honestly, there’s certainly a point to be had here. But as someone who has both taken it in the ass and subsequently gotten married to a woman, I feel like I can speak with some authority to my experience that: A.) Men are more likely to be, all else equal, more disgusted by homosexual behavior in men. B.) A woman disapproving of the gay stuff is a good proxy to help you find the kind of person you don’t want to be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:19 AM
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Don’t ass too many questions
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 12:12 AM
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Aren’t we all? Lol that’s what makes life fun Just to see what happens!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 02:24 PM
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The problem with this is it’s an absolutist approach. This notion leads a massive amount of people to end up feeling responsible for everything, getting burned out and sick of it, and they end up taking responsibility for nothing in turn. At minimum, there has to be a clear acceptance that some things in life are beyond individual control.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 01:06 PM
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Good idea, CrackedAnus!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 01:03 PM
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The problem with these arguments is that they assume that there is only a “Yes or No” dynamic to every situation in life. Life is more art than science. Capitalism certainly has led to greater prosperity but the aggrieved insistence on maintaining an absolute version of it is causing it to fall apart. There are many other countries with free markets that also have greater checks and balances in place to prevent the issues prevalent to the extremes of capitalism. Nature, of course, is not fair, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 07:55 PM
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I mean, in large part, I don’t think either women nor men have control over anything, beyond reacting to the situations they find themselves in. IMO if that simple reality was accepted, personal responsibility would actually be more commonplace because people would be okay with letting go of the many things that are beyond their control. That relief would allow people to focus on what actually is within their control. The societal insistence on personal responsibility for every situation one fac…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 07:37 PM
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Exactly. We as men are taught to take everything personally when 80-90% of the time, there isn’t shit we can do about anything. If nothing else, realizing that frees your mind from all the energy people spend on what-if scenarios and “get rich quick” style schemes. It’s better to just let things go and chalk most of them up to happenstance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 01:56 PM
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Absolutely, but the concurrent problem for men is that we almost never feel attractive to women because any human being can only conceptualize something based on how they themselves operate. I think most men have no idea what it would actually be like to feel attracted to someone in that sort of way, then they assume that they’re being lied to and that women don’t actually like them but are just letting them down easily, and get sad as a result lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 01:39 PM
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I feel like most men just wish women found men as directly and crudely attractive as men do women but that tends not to be the case. Women are usually much less crude and visual in what they are attracted to, which in turn makes men feel unattractive because we assume that no attraction exists when we can only project based on how the dynamics of attractiveness play out for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 01:35 PM
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I think the biggest issue is that there has not been a counter narrative for men’s mental and emotional health that says “you’re not in control of much of anything and that’s okay, you can never be.” Alan Watts > Jordan Peterson. Red Pill appeals to young men in western society because under capitalistic exploitation, very few people have much control over anything and yet there’s an expectation on men that we ought to have control over everything. Red Pill offers a neat little narrative that’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/22 01:23 PM
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Many men/ teenage guys hate the extreme expectation of personal responsibility and control, and consequently love the notion of having a more experienced woman take care of things for them. That isn’t to say underage isn’t really weird and super bad. But I think there’s a massive psychological shadow underlying this.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 10:04 PM
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I think Red Pill is bullshit built on half-truths, so no lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 12:38 AM
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Women are just more empathetic, period. Men don’t have near the ability or drive to try to understand where another person is coming from if they aren’t very similar people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 03:45 AM
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I honestly have no idea because this isn’t something that I do, so all I could really offer is guesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:59 PM
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100% Additionally, most (non-sociopathic) men are aware at this point that a ton of women have had previous bad experiences with other men not respecting boundaries or just being bigger and scaring women before. A lot of men today don’t want to make the first move because they simply don’t want to make someone else feel afraid or unknowingly cross a personal boundary. By contrast, men simply aren’t afraid of women in the same survival instinct way, so it being the norm for women to initiate woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 01:27 PM
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Average women have plenty to offer average men and the ppl shouting otherwise are afraid of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 02:44 PM
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Woman-woman friendships contain more love (or at least emotional support) than guy-guy friendships, which leaves men much more reliant on romantic relationships for all emotional support. (Unless the guys in question are gay.)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 06:23 PM
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I think the entire discussion around something like “golddigger” is completely ignorant of the fact that women haven’t even been allowed to work or own property for very long. A woman of college age today might well have a grandmother or even mother that was barred from basic things like going to college, learning to read, or having a job at all. In that sense, it’s completely logical for women to evaluate men on socioeconomic prospects, irrespective of whatever social or evolutionary guesses pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 08:58 PM
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I think the biggest issue for everyone these days is that we can only ever be our own individual selfves. I have no idea whether it would actually be harder or easier to be a man or a woman because I lack half the experience necessary to make a true determination of that. I have no clue what life is like as anybody other than me. Sometimes, that’s miserable. Someone’s it’s fun. But not knowing and being able to leave that be is an important maturation point for people to get to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 04:25 PM
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Probably 8-9. The extent to which someone would think women (or men) are all bad is a lack of understanding that people are constantly just reacting to the situations life throws at them. Women are just trying to get through the day, too. Maybe it looks different on the surface than how you go about it, but fundamentally it’s the same. Life ain’t a walk in the park for anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:14 PM
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How is this not just as true between literally any attribute that two different individual people have, though? Eventually, this sort of philosophizing about gender just circles you right back to square one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 07:42 PM
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I think this isn’t really true in the first place and to the extent that it might seem so, would just be due to social pressures pushing women and men to behave different outwardly. I remember making fun of a more masculine girl as a teenager but only realized years later that I did so because I was into that. And felt embarrassed by it. I’d say a lot of the men that outwardly act repulsed by masculine women are confronting a similar lack of acceptance of themselves regarding what they’re attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/22 06:15 AM
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Yeah but it being someone’s job has never stopped ppl from being incompetent at something You still get brownie points for being perceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 07:18 PM
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This is a better grasp of men’s issues than I have and I’m a guy. Bravo.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 01:12 PM
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At some point this just becomes a simple existential problem - are there valid experiences out there different from the one you have? I totally understand this feeling but I’ll admit that it comes from a place of complete self-centeredness. It feels like women don’t like men because they often like things in men that are different than the things men like in women and that’s scary. If you’re attracted to booty and she’s attracted to smiles, that’s gonna both be embarrassing for you to admit to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 01:10 AM
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Could be but that depends on the person and the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 02:23 PM
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Yup. A lot of times it’s basically “welp, I feel horny and you’re tired and don’t want to so I’ll go take care of this so you don’t have to.”
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 02:16 PM
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This is an honest discussion you have to have with him. I’d say the bigger question you need to talk about isn’t whether or not he’s masturbating or watching porn but why is he hiding it from you? Are you shaming him for it? Does it make you upset? Etc. Most men do this and it’s closer to an itch to scratch than it is some sort of deeper thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 11:38 AM
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This isn’t a cultural left issue. Masculinity in the broader culture has no model because people aren’t willing to accept that the bad and good aspects of it are often (maybe even always) inseperable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 09:18 PM
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Nobody’s opinions matter except for your own. You’re not them. You can empathize, but that’s about it. You still want what you want, and that’s the lone perspective that you have. A lot of the advice given on this subreddit is from Person A to Person B and yet Person A and B are completely different people who prefer completely different things and would never be together themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 09:16 PM
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They’re not. Statistically, they’re a lot more likely to be content single.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 09:11 PM
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I do, it’s a major source of pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:52 PM
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Lol so are you going to comment on the actual post or just see red and pile on? I’ll happily continue on in lefty cuck fantasyland because I’m content with it. I’m glad to provide you with some entertainment in turn and someone to laugh at. At least it makes the world interesting, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:42 PM
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Nice of you to jump on the insult train so fast, my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:32 PM
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I’m not implying that women are choosing good men, I’m saying that what women are attracted to in men is a lot more wholesome. If anything, the prison example is an extreme version of this. Despite someone being terrible, he’s maybe misunderstood! Or artsy! Or smart and introspective! Or it’s so sad that he’s dealing with the brutality of the prison system! Whatever! My point isn’t that women choose good men. It’s that what they see in men is so often so much more wholesome and kind than what we…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:20 PM
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Lol alrighty then
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 01:00 PM
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Oh totally. It’s extremely intimidating and guilt-inducing how wholesome most women are in what they feel attracted to. It makes you feel like a bad person in turn because random buttcheeks will turn you on yet she’s over there into 18th century poetry and shit. Either she’s lying so well that you’re never going to find out or just a better person from the start; so you spend an inordinate amount of time either denying so by projection or feel unable to see yourself as anything close to an equal…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 12:15 PM
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I think there’s truth to this but it unnecessarily lays blame on women. Anecdotally, I always wanted to do something like art, social work, something with plants, etc. but the risk of failing or existing on a meager income and being forever alone because of it scared me away. It often feels like the societal expectations of men go directly against that which would actually make you a decent person. Some of the best paying jobs are also the most exploitative or just generally dickish. I still fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 11:59 AM
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Speak for yourself! It’s not a bad thing to be attracted to women in their 20’s. But it’s hardly a sure thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 08:18 PM
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Learn to tell the difference between behavior and patterns of behavior. Nobody is perfect. Not everyone who says a mean thing one time is a bad person. Not everyone who says a nice thing once is a good one. You’re going to have fights and arguments where you or your partner says things or even does things they wish they’d take back. The thing is, how bad is it and is this a constant thing or is it a rare occurrence? Too many good people are written off for having one bad day. Too many bad people…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 01:07 PM
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No, if I were single and when I was single, I preferred over 30. Even as someone way younger than that when I was single lol Usually more mature, refined, kind, secure in what one is doing in life etc. I always liked it, truthfully.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/22 11:21 AM
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Yes, exactly. And the thing about being paranoid of rp/pua types is exactly what frustrates me, too, because it’s basically like “you guys are ruining this for the rest of us and making men in general look bad.” Like I would always get afraid of women being afraid of me because that’s not the sort of impact I ever want to have on other people and those are not the vibes I ever wanted to give off. I feel like this is something men have to take on more often though because it’s getting obnoxious o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 10:49 PM
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I just feel like it gets obnoxious that a handful of men that are like this take up all the oxygen in the room and make everyone else feel like they’re defective. It kinda sucks it makes and more difficult to come to terms with yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 09:43 PM
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I probably have some psychological problems to work through but for me it was always the opposite. I would always look for women that were older because it felt safer/ more stable/ more honest to fuck with the societal expectations, etc. It’s also nice to be the young/shiny thing instead. Point being, mileage varies greatly and this sort of attitude is certainly not universal among guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 09:32 PM
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The problem with this shit is that the most insufferable ppl are also the loudest. I was always attracted to women who were taller, had more money, were physically strong, were older, were more masculine, etc. So basically the exact opposite of this. These things are not cast in stone. At all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/22 09:27 PM
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I think it’s less about communicating when we want to vs. don’t want to and more about communicating on different levels depending on how comfortable with the other person we feel. If I don’t know/trust you, I’m not going to open up to you about my life story; my communication will basically be surface level - how is the weather, what do we need to do to get this thing done at work, that sort of thing. But if you feel like men close to you aren’t opening up to you, on some level, they probably d…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 10:23 PM
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This is actually really sweet, and I’m not sure how else to phrase that lol Half the time, it’s way too easy to be convinced that women want you to be Hercules 24/7, so having it be okay to…. not be lol…. Is really a good thing to have somewhere in the ether.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 07:52 PM
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I’m genuinely asking - what makes pegging so important to you that it’s a dealbreaker on a first date basis?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 06:57 PM
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Only if she wouldn’t do it to me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 06:42 PM
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I participate sometimes lol Thank you for the compliment!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 02:59 AM
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A lot of men are hurt by other men, especially their own dads, growing up and then only feel emotionally safe around women. To my knowledge, a dynamic like that doesn’t exist as much around women due to chivalry and similar social norms. Men rely on women so much more to feel emotionally safe than the other way around, it’s just bundled into sex because we’re ashamed of feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 09:34 PM
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This is 100% true. I’m scared to death of being abandoned and alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 09:00 PM
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I think this is correct in a lot of ways but leaves out how much men often treat other men terribly; and the extent to which that leaves men emotionally reliant on women. Privately and to your wife/gf is often the only place a lot of men can be emotionally honest in life. It’s kinda shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 03:19 AM
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That’s true, but those are jobs that a lot of men that went into something more lucrative would have preferred doing instead. I don’t think that men are lazy. We just end up stuck living lives we hate because we think doing so will keep us from being alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 04:51 PM
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I think a lot of men hate the status quo because it simply pressures them to put effort into things they don’t really want to do, not necessarily that men are inherently that much more lazy. Either way, it seems like a massive number of men feel stuck doing something all day that doesn’t make them happy just because we’re told that’s what you need to do to not be alone/abandoned.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 08:38 PM
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Oh totally. I feel like a lot of the current dysfunction between men and women boils down to men feeling like: “You have no idea how much of my life I’ve molded around simply trying not to be alone; how much of my own wants I’ve set aside because I was basically told to do something lucrative to attract you — and it frustrates me that you can’t see it because I don’t actually want to be doing all of this.” People can argue the merits of feeling that way but it’s a feeling and you can’t really ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 07:01 PM
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I feel like an underrated aspect of all this is how much men stake out jobs/careers/etc. based on perceived ability to attract a mate. Frankly, I get the general feeling that a lot of men have the entirety of their goals and ambitions attached to whether or not they can use that to attract a partner. Many would be perfectly happy to stop putting in effort otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 06:28 PM
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He’s an ass that does nothing to address his apparent core issue of male disposability because he’d rather grift and get attention than actually help anybody. Any kind of self improvement and healing male disposability are inherently contradictory. Alan Watts would be a much better “guru” for these guys to listen to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 04:16 PM
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Any further societal advancement for women is impossible until men’s loneliness/abandonment issues are figured out in a supportive way first.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 02:50 AM
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But that’s been the case for decades. My point is that if marriage is getting better (or worse), it’s going to happen so slowly that you’re not going to be able to notice much year to year.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 10:08 PM
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In truth, I think a lot of men are codependent and terrified of women leaving them or not picking them because there’s very little social support for adult men beyond a partner; you’re raised to see yourself as being in a competition with everybody else- which makes it difficult to ask for help or form any other human relationships. The blame game is really just fear of abandonment all the way down.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 09:27 PM
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Pretty much
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:16 PM
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You can totally make good money at astrology and being a psychic or something. If winning is the measurement, astrology and shit can do that too
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:35 PM
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Men are more likely to believe in the stock market though. Just as much validity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 12:58 PM
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I think it takes generations to adjust to things and you can’t really make a judgement about something like this from too narrow of a perspective. The millennial generation watched their parents get married, get miserable, and get divorced. It’s possible things will be the same again, but people tend to learn from their parents, from both the good and bad they experienced. So it’s also possible that millennials end up with better, healthier marriages when measured in 40 years because they saw wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 01:05 AM
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No, it doesn’t really cross my mind honestly
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 04:32 PM
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Feelings aren’t allowed. There’s traumas I’ve never been able to fully process because I could never fully cry about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/22 04:44 PM
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I know! I’m scared! That’s why I want the out button if I’m going to do a VR pregnancy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 05:02 PM
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I actually think that would be interesting, so long as I had a quit button lol I always like having a more concrete understanding of what other people go through, so long as there’s a safe way to do it. Otherwise, I’m just guessing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 02:41 PM
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Can you define it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 01:27 PM
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I didn’t say anything like that. I said it’s dangerous to overdo it. Not that it’s bad. A little pinch of it will do, is more my point. Not that it’s either good or bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 02:51 PM
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It is bad to overdo it. Masculinity itself isn’t bad. You can die from drinking too much water too.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 02:24 AM
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I’d say that’s still an issue of dosage though. The same social assertiveness that leads to catcalling, in a balanced and healthy dose, might be a dude that musters the courage to ask a girl out but then respects a “no” the first time and moves on. People are too us vs them and black/white about this. Toxic masculinity is simply masculinity overdosed. But if masculinity itself were inherently the issue, everyone would be falling over themselves to do pegging with submissive men and that’s not at…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 07:05 PM
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I think the biggest issue with that is the consequences of overdoing masculinity vs. overdoing feminity. You overdo being shy and feminine and maybe someone doesn’t take you seriously as an adult. You overdo aggression and masculinity and somebody could die. So the need for men to recognize dosage in this whole thing, rather than all or nothing, is extremely important to everybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 07:02 PM
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More that the damage you can do if you overdo masculinity is pretty bad, so just a pinch of it will do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 02:30 PM
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I think there’s certainly a lot of truth to this, but my personal experience with masculinity is simply that the only difference between medicine and poison is in the dose. Masculinity is like a powerful drug. It certainly has uses. You just have to be careful with how much you use at once. It can be incredibly damaging to overdose on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 04:42 PM
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If anything, at least in my experience, the exact opposite has been true more often than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 06:44 PM
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So what specifically are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:44 PM
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? That porn is a cause of much of anything
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:40 PM
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I disagree with that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:33 PM
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I think porn is more of a symptom than a cause though. The way we sell sex to men leads them to think it’ll cure cancer if they haven’t had it yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:14 PM
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Sure, some people have an easier time with it than others. But getting laid all the time is not the only thing in life either. I feel like a lot of guys funnel a bunch of other needs and wants into thinking it’s all about sex and TRP encourages that type of thinking. Which is pretty damaging to men!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:33 PM
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I think it’s the opposite - TRP expects these men to know everything. Which is just not a possible human thing. I have no fucking idea what life is like for anybody other than me. So having these ridiculous takes about how women are this or what men ought to be doing or whatever just strikes me as profoundly damaging. TRP asks men to live a lie - I’d rather live a life where I am free to admit to how much I don’t know and how flawed I am than listen to someone preach about how I’m basically a we…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 01:27 PM
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I have a lot of sympathy for them too, but TRP seems to expect them to be godlike and able to know everything, which is impossible for any human being to do. That’s why I think it’s bullshit. Of course I think it harms women, but it also is yet another way that men are expected to play God and not accept the limitations of being a human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 01:24 PM
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No problem. But truthfully, this is far more selfishness on my part than anything else. TRP sucks for men too because it basically begs us to lie and pretend we know way more than we do. I have no idea what the fuck your life is like and that’s the most honest thing I can say. TRP is basically just yet another form of masculinity that asks us to lie and pretend we’re somehow heroes or gods and not just human beings that have one small perspective on life and not much control over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 12:58 PM
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I have, I’m simply implying that I feel the entire thing is misguided and based on assumptions about other people that are often not true at all. You can be jealous of an idea that doesn’t match reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:41 AM
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Okay, so where is the jealousy and anger coming from? I’d be jealous too if someone else actually could shake their ass and make a million dollars in one GIF but that doesn’t actually happen. Women don’t actually get free rides and they don’t have it easy. Hell, that’s all I really know about women in the first place because I’m not one. Life is hard. Clinging to the notion that some other person or some attribute exists that you aren’t lucky enough to have to put life on autopilot is extraordin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:26 AM
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Assuming you know more about another group of people’s experiences than they do is pretty fucking discriminatory on its face.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 12:53 AM
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TRP is misogynist because it assumes it knows what the internal experiences and thoughts of all women are, all of the time, and mushes them together into one big stew of a caricature that pretty much never actually matches reality. It is misogynist because it makes a basic assumption- i.e. the idea that every woman could just drop everything, twerk on OnlyFans three times, and retire - that being a woman is ridiculously easier than reality. I have no fucking idea what being a woman would actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 09:30 PM
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K lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 01:46 AM
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I didn’t assume either. You can be both or neither for all I care lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 01:05 AM
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That’s fine, globalholiday5090, I really cannot express to you how much the opinion of some random woman (man?) on the internet means to me. I’d hate to be the poor sap that has to fake a lack of human emotions around you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:30 PM
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Touched a nerve I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:31 PM
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You don’t have to remind me lol It just makes it hard to feel like there’s a place to fit in where there’s any way to achieve an inherent self worth for men. Otherwise; you’re just stuck constantly striving and never actually having.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:40 PM
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I know and i have, but that’s just me It doesnt also change the fact that i simply feel unable to believe it. Like i hear my own voice and see my reflection and it’s impossible for me to see myself as someone that could even be beautiful or pretty or anything of the sort. Calming? Hell no. I just feel like a worse version of a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:05 PM
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No, they wouldn’t feel genuine if they’re prompted
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 05:21 PM
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I’ll take a compliment, even a crude one, any day. Just respect it and move on if I say “no thanks” lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 12:14 PM
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I think that might help them, if nothing else. I mean, even the most tactless person can (I hope) understand the difference between “nice ass, wanna fuck?” and “that’s a cool jacket” lol I think there’s certainly a degree to which men relate to women in a way that would actually make men happier, but within the context of women’s experiences, ends up making the other person miserable. If you’ve never had someone so much as compliment your appearance in any capacity, “nice ass” might be a complim…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 12:07 PM
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I don’t actually feel like this is true. There is nothing on earth more similar to a man than a woman and vice versa. To the extent that it is true, however, I feel like this is primarily a result of people assuming men and women are more different than they truly are. Which lends itself to a reality where women are bombarded by the things men are starved for. And so we just end up in a shitty proxy war where men and women are arguing from their own respective extremes, when what both want in re…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 04:15 AM
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I think all that bullshit just needs to be replaced with sheer and radical honesty. Our entire culture just isn’t honest. If masculinity could simply consist of men being radically honest about who they are and what they feel, imagine how much healing could happen. It takes a ton of balls to be honest about things that aren’t convenient to other people too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 03:51 AM
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She’s not doing that though. She’s just saying what her fear is. Not making any sort of argument about it. Nor saying that men should die in a fire. Isn’t that kind of good? Like the communication is incredibly useful because now you know what the other person feels and can take steps to have a more harmonious existence with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 04:39 PM
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But what I’m getting at is that it’s presumptuous to assume she’s not sought help or therapy. Hell, maybe she came back from a therapy appointment where she talked about this exact thing. We don’t know. And that’s okay. I understand not wanting her to feel like men are all guilty of being predators but I also feel like, if she feels that way, accepting that she does is a key ingredient in healing that. Pretending that you aren’t afraid of men, if you are, just bottles it up and makes it worse. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 04:00 PM
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The overall attitude of women engaging in anything sexual as being sluts, whores, hoes, etc. These are terms that are very rarely applied to men in any context beyond humor lol Even though plenty of us are much more guilty of the technical ingredients that make up your operative “slut”. I’m more just saying, don’t we all need a bit of a hoe phase? Helps keep life fun and I feel bad for the people that, for reasons beyond their control, aren’t able to have one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 03:57 PM
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In comparison to my wife, she has nothing on my hoe phase. I win! It was pretty fun too, I don’t really regret it. I just feel sad that women get held to a purity standard that I’m twice as guilty of breaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 03:48 PM
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This is true of any form of trauma/anxiety and such an approach is incredibly damaging because it tries to control people’s individual personalities, ngl. People have no control over the feelings and thoughts that occur to them, particularly when it comes to fear. All that she can do is control how she navigates life in light of her own feelings and thoughts, not whether or not those occur to her. If you had a traumatic experience and got over it within weeks, congrats! I’m happy that you didn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 03:04 PM
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Thank you. I just don’t want it to feel like we’re a different species. If that helps to feel like we’re at least humans talking about the same things and sharing overall feelings, I hope that might give you some tiny sense of peace around everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 09:40 PM
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Well, asking men of Reddit what you ought to be doing doesn’t seem like a very good way to go about any aspect of life lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 11:46 AM
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I feel like there is a missing part to talking about these things that might help and that’s if we really dug up our feelings and experiences, I think a lot of men would find that our seemingly relentless sexual pursuit of women is really often our own pursuit of safety in a fucked up way. I was terrified of my dad growing up because he was volatile, angry, and I felt trapped being in the same house. In hindsight, so many of the “crushes” I had when I was young were really just a desire to get t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 11:32 AM
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Yeah, thinking of it that way actually helps make it easier to empathize honestly. Because it can be difficult. Like I really don’t know what it is like to be you and it always feels bad because I feel stupid saying that but it is true. Like I’m never going to experience the same feelings you do, at least if I’m in the same situations otherwise. It’s not that I can’t empathize with those feelings necessarily, it’s more that I feel them in different situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 10:21 PM
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I don’t feel like it’s possible for me as a man to really understand the predator/harasser dynamic that women feel because there’s a level of sexual threat that women feel about it that I do not. Like if some random person grabbed my ass, I’d probably enjoy it. At least a little lol. That said, in a narrow sense, I can empathize if I imagine what life in prison would be like.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 10:12 PM
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I think men envy their ideas of women but wouldn’t envy much if they actually had to deal with the reality of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 10:09 PM
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I’m a guy that’s the opposite, can we trade?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 10:08 PM
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I think this is incorrect but only because we’ve got everyone, men included, convinced of something that isn’t necessarily accurate. Which is that sex is the primary driver for men to do anything. Yes, sex drive is powerful, but I really feel like a lot of the guys that think they’re in it for sex, if they really thought about it and felt deeply about it, would probably sooner trade sex for emotional intimacy than the other way around. The attitude itself is accurate in that so many men are moti…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 10:47 AM
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I think that’s true but a lot of those people also think they are after sex and really want connection more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 04:07 PM
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It’s not actually. But you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 01:44 PM
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Frankly, I’m not sure what dating is actually like for women, so it may hold some validity. But, in the bigger picture, if you find yourself having to play a part to attract a partner, you’re never actually going to find someone that loves you for you. They might love your image or their idea of you. But unless you’re at least honest at the foundation - even if you spin it a bit to be more attractive or whatever - you’re just going to attract people that aren’t right for you, if you attract anyb…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 01:19 PM
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Yes, that’s basically my dream. I’ve always wanted to be “second best” anyway and basically just be a supporting cast to someone else’s main character. Why? Idk, truthfully. But I’ve been that way forever and have always basically wanted to be a sidekick. So SAHD or at least being the one with the more disposable job is a much better role for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 01:14 PM
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I think there’s definitely truth to this. In my relationship though, it’s more that my wife simply feels way more pressure about things - career, status, success, etc. - compared to myself. I’d be perfectly happy to live a frugal life but I’m not against nice things either. I just don’t really care what that many people think of me, so long as I’m content. And all that usually takes is like a coffee or a nap or something. Nothing big. So I think it’s nice for her to just be able to come home and…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 02:33 AM
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There are way too many pill colors now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 02:22 AM
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Men that leave their wives because they get sick are terrible people. The statistic sucks and I’m sorry. I’m not sure what else to say about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 02:20 AM
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That’s fair in many cases but not everyone is like that either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 02:13 AM
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I don’t disagree with any of that and yet it also changes nothing. There are people - let’s be real, particularly men - that are so profoundly lonely that the fear of being abandoned or the desire for companionship is the primary motivator in their life. Not even sexual desire here, just sheer loneliness. Is it healthy? No but denying it is even worse and just living a lie. But for the fact that I fear being abandoned, frankly, I’d be a hermit somewhere slumming it because I don’t really have mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 09:15 PM
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No, that’s my point exactly. Perhaps worded poorly - if you are lonely because you don’t have a romantic partner, having one will help that. And if wanting a romantic partner is your primary motivation for getting out of bed in the morning, then so be it. There’s too many people that try to dance around that. Instead of just accepting that such an extrinsic motivation is a perfectly normal thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 08:09 PM
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I really don’t think that women are exclusive in this. Men in love will overlook things or even find things endearing that they wouldn’t otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 04:29 PM
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Yeah, I’ve never liked the notions of “just work on yourself”, “you shouldn’t need anyone else”, etc. If you’re depressed because you’re lonely and want a romantic partner, getting a romantic partner will help that. People don’t like to talk about it because the implications are difficult to parse through - i.e. to what extent, if at all, does someone have a right not to be alone? But telling people who are lonely to change the fact that they’re lonely is a completely useless thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 04:27 PM
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I really think this depends on the person. Maybe a Pareto Principle thing. I.e. 80% of women want a “real man” and 80% of men want a “trad wife”. Which hijacks the conversation from the 20% that aren’t like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 04:24 PM
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Why would the men want to change if the bar is that low?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 04:20 PM
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I think a lot more men value this than meets the eye. My wife makes twice what I do and I would much rather be the one that quits my job to stay at home with the kids or is at least the one that takes time off for family. It’s hard for any man to really express that want though because to the Red Pill people, that makes you a Beta or whatever and yet to the progressives, you end up having to argue uphill against having all this privilege and the implication that there’s just no way someone would…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 01:41 PM
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I’m kidding lol I think
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:45 PM
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Yes, I want to see you start an OnlyFans pls.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:33 PM
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I think a lot of men are motivated to work harder because they think doing so will be more likely to land them a good relationship but I also think that men put more pressure on themselves than women actually care about. So there’s certainly truth to it - I would be that guy with the viral meme of the lawn chair and tv in the living room of a 1 bedroom apartment and nothing else if I was happy being single forever. At the same time, most women have their own jobs and are probably fine if you’re …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:28 PM
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If you’re going to insist the world is a cold and dark place where nobody ought to help anybody and every man for themselves, then what is the point of anything? What are you going to do if and when you inevitably can’t do anything for yourself? I mean, it’ll happen to everyone eventually - we all grow old and die even if nothing else comes along before then to put us in that spot. Hopefully the world isn’t as cruel of a place as you seem intent on it being. Because that kinda just sounds misera…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 07:20 PM
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If your two cents boils down to “we’re all on our own, so sorry so sad”, then what is there even for anybody to complain about? What are you trying to say, honestly? If you think everything has an inherently unpredictable and unavoidably scary nature; and that nobody should expect anything from anybody, then why be bothered by anything at all? Amber Heard included? Is she not also human and covered by the whole humans being part of nature thing? My only opinion about this is that everybody invol…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:44 PM
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Your first go to was being raped in prison? Who in that example are we afraid of doing the rape in prison? Is it Amber Heard? I don’t think that’s the case lol It’s almost as if everyone here is afraid of the exact same thing - being attacked or killed by a bigger/stronger person - and is simply blaming different things for it. But I’d say the biggest thing is that women’s safety ought to be prioritized more and men’s treatment ought to be kinder because at the end of the day, the fact of the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:20 PM
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So you think women are analagous to rabid feral cats that are breeding left and right, and attacking kids? Because I didn’t say anything of the sort about either men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:25 AM
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As far as damage goes - Who is more likely to die if the other attacks them? Men or women? On average, I’d say women. That’s really it. As far as the ways in which men are socialized to think that they have to be providers, stoic, be in control of everything at all times, that fucking sucks and shouldn’t be the case. But I don’t think that the Amber Heard thing is the root of all that, I think it’s a branch of deeper issues. All of
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:22 AM
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So the Amber Heard thing is the root of all of the problems in society for men? Because I don’t really think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:15 AM
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It can be if they die lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:09 AM
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That’s the core of the single worst problem for men, ever, though? Where do socioeconomic precarity, being drafted into wars, educational systems that look down on boys habits and behaviors, being pressured to be in control of everything all the time, being seen as a one trick pony that solely exists to be employed, or being seen as disposable rank, then? The extent to which you’re right about this I think is just a branch of much deeper rooted issues. I don’t even really disagree per se. I just…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:03 AM
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But that’s also the entire point, One of the biggest reasons why those social and legal consequences are what they are is because people want to believe that a neat genderblind reality around abuse exists in the first place. But a nice pitbull will still cause more damage than a mean cat. Does that mean that the pitbull is better or worse? No. But they should be evaluated within their contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 03:55 AM
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I get the point and even agree with it, I just don’t think that Amber Heard is somehow the end cause of all of these problems. I think as a social issue, that sort of thing is a lot deeper than just romantic or sexual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 03:46 AM
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On what basis are you assuming that women/“Amber Heards” are causing high male suicide rates and men feeling worthless and unworthy of help? That just seems to me to be a bit of a stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 03:43 AM
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My biggest problem with all of these debates is that it leaves out the elephant in the room; 95% of the time, men have more physical strength/ testosterone to beat somebody up. You might have a woman that’s more brutal and nothing ever happens beyond a few bruises than the equivalent man that kills someone. Before we ever even talk about abuse in relationships, there has to be an acknowledgement that men can simply do more damage on average. And emotional distress (especially fearing for your li…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 03:27 AM
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That’s 100% fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 06:28 PM
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It just feels like the two ends of this wind up at a depressingly deterministic conclusion that is basically “men are like this and there’s no way to change it”. On some levels, I’m sure that is true. For example, I probably see things way more as a competition than a collaboration, compared to you. And as a result, the fact that I make half what my wife does is an eyeopening experience because I’m certainly the “loser” in that. But in the same light, I do think having women achieve more relativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 03:13 AM
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Best friend. There’s just no reason to live with someone you have nothing in common with. That sounds terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 02:37 AM
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I just feel like it’s changing for the better on the male side of the equation in a sort of upside down version of feminism. Imperceptibly and frustratingly slow. But so is anything like that. A lot more people are sick of the bullshit and want to move on from it than might let on publicly. I grew up wanting to be far more like my mom than my dad and she wasn’t even all that nice lol Just wasn’t a complete selfish asshole. But living a life takes a long time, so too, changing any deep social dyn…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 02:33 AM
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I think outwardly, definitely. There’s social pressure that can be intense and portraying yourself as “one of the guys” is important to most. But internally, all I’ve ever wanted was to be a SAHD and do basically the exact opposite. Everything you list is pretty much painting a picture of everything I can’t stand lol I doubt that means anything right now and none of those things can change overnight. But it is out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 02:16 AM
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The thing this leaves out is that a lot of guys grow up with men like this as dads and find them completely revolting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 01:39 AM
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I’m not sure how women feel about this. But the thing I feel deeply is that it wouldn’t make sense to keep me around if I was not at least making enough money to justify the burden that my daily life feels like it adds. Idk how to love myself in a way where I could feel safe and worthwhile without money.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 09:44 PM
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As a major oversimplification, men feel the same about this as women feel about men’s anger. (I don’t at all think these are the same, but the general feelings are close.) When you get told all your life that you’re a pussy/wimp/pathetic for crying, you’re just bracing yourself for that exact response. And so, just like women might be on heightened alert to physical vulnerability with men, men may be on heightened alert to emotional vulnerability the other way. I may only be 10% angry, but my SO…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 01:27 PM
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This seems like a classic example of the Pareto principle. The 20% of women who want to be the dominant partner and the 20% of guys who want to be the submissive partner just need a better way to find each other and then inevitably engage in copious amounts of pegging and heartfelt conversations around gender roles. The 80% of the population that doesn’t fit this dynamic just clogs up your airwaves so you can’t see that there’s probably about as many women who want you as there are men like you.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 11:42 PM
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Absolutely. And it’s the closest thing I can think of that might feel like sexual objectification because I can’t just lie and say that’s something I’ve ever experienced. Not in that way at least. But I know the general feeling of having your basic humanity contigent on something that’s basically surface level and outside your control. I feel like if I don’t bring money to the table, I can’t even justify taking up the oxygen that I do just waking up in the morning. Nobody deserves to feel like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 07:26 PM
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That’s an exaggeration, but the overall point holds, imo
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 04:07 AM
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Are we all so sure that we’re really evaluating people on the same scale though? I feel like half the problem with all of this is the simple fact that a “9/10” to you might be a “1/10” to me and vice versa. It’s entirely subjective and differs by person. We just have a subset of people screaming about it as if this is holy knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 11:33 PM
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For me as a man, I’m less exhausted by the specifics of money in relationships and more just the general feeling that my entire self worth is wrapped around money. It’s seriously hard to feel like, if I were to not be bringing money in, I would even be worth taking up the small amount of space in the world that I do. The fears and anxieties around it can be intense.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 11:22 PM
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I think this is correct but incomplete. People will simply be more honest due to less religious based shaming about what’s historically been the norm. and the gender balance of this dynamic will likely shift, at least a bit, since women have more money relative to men than in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 09:49 PM
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Even if that’s the case 9 times out of 10, it’s way more worth it to wait
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:45 PM
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Sure, but why would you want to live a lie simply to get with someone? That is destined to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:34 PM
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That’s certainly true but I think the ratio is skewed though. There’d be no demand for something like Bumble if women and men were equally graceful in online dating communication lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 01:51 AM
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Be honest about your emotions. Completely, unapologetically, honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 01:13 AM
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Women have an easier time getting someone who wants a relationship. That doesn’t mean they have an easier time getting a good relationship though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:37 AM
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No, trying to control thoughts or feelings makes people miserable. They happen. It’s what you do or don’t do with them that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:29 AM
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I think it’s less that many men care logically whether it’s easy or worth it, so much as the simple fact that it’s an aspiration. Capitalism in modern America sucks so hardcore that I think a lot of men would breathe easier with the option to show strangers their assholes for simple and predictable money. Because it sucks to devote so much of who you are as a person into the mythical concept of alpha male provider, only to just have that gambled and ripped away from you because some rich asshole…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 10:57 PM
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As a guy, I frankly think it’s a good indicator of women I would just never want to be with. But that’s my personal preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 10:47 PM
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Aight, so are you just wanting to feel mad?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 05:54 PM
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This is literally just science that can be Googled in a minute and a half. https://www.mic.com/articles/111226/science-explains-why-women-are-faster-to-mature-than-men Just because the implications of this might be uncomfortable doesn’t make it logical to ignore.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 02:54 PM
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No, but how do you know that all these women are just fucking everybody when you’re not looking? At some point, everyone is relying on self reported data and I can attest to the fact that I have a higher body count than my wife. So if we’re going by a consistent definition, I would be the bigger slut in the equation here, right? I mean, the entire thing is perception, no matter what. You’re trusting, one way or the other, what you feel about the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 02:31 PM
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I think the fucked up reality is that I actually empathize with and understand the OnlyFans thing a lot more than anything else. Like when you actually get into it, it’s just not the practical reality that you can post a ten second video of yourself twerking and retire on a private island lol Likewise, I’m told (implicitly and explicitly) that if I just work hard enough, I too could be anything I want to be! The sky is the limit! In practice? I live in a shithole right to work state where my bos…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 02:25 PM
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But there’s a ton of people that “act like whores” and have barely any sexual history and plenty of people that act prim and proper who are the kinkiest and “easiest”. Plenty of women that dress “provocatively” but are extremely modest about sex and plenty of men that act all proper and are super kinky. In fact, I’d almost venture to say that this is more often the rule than the exception. The shitty thing is the perception. If people are going to be judged for something like a high body count, …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 02:05 PM
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Because perception is 9/10 of reality. There’s plenty of women that are judged for being sluts and whores based merely on how they dress or something, when the reality is that they don’t actually have that much sexual history. In a similar light, there’s so many seemingly levelheaded and classy men that will be DTF after one date, even in extremely kinky and personal ways. I think it’s worth thinking about that. For everybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 02:00 PM
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What data do you have to support the notion that a) more sexless men than ever and b) women are more promiscuous than ever? A is probably true or at least in the ballpark, but B? The long term declining birth rate, declining number of sex partners, declining number of relationships, declining number of abortions, declining number of basically anything dealing with sex…. Seems to really undercut the idea that women are hopping around and fucking everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 01:57 PM
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I entirely understand that, I just think it’s noteworthy that a lot of men are jealous of the idea, even though the idea is very inaccurate in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 01:53 PM
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Oh totally. I think this is like assuming all guys can be Jeff Bezos and have that work out perfectly. It sounds wonderful in the theories people have in their heads, but in practice, there’s way more risk, uncertainty, effort, etc. that goes into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 01:51 PM
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I totally understand why someone would do it - a dollar from sending some stranger your undies on eBay works just as good as a dollar you make at a coal mine lol That being said, I don’t truly believe the quit your job and do OnlyFans thing is legitimately as easy as is portrayed. At all. In the same way that I don’t think attaining a billion dollars is achievable. I’m sure someone did it once, but for all intents and purposes, it’s impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 06:04 AM
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But the overall point is that a lot of men seem quite comfortable with the idea. Not that a lot of men are, but that a lot of men might want to be if such a thing were presented as a viable option. Perhaps more men than women seem comfortable with the idea in a complete vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 04:16 AM
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I think most people would be amazed at how much 5 minutes a week of some ugly crying and being hugged would help the most angry and bitter man be a much more balanced and healthy person.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 03:14 AM
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The thing is, as someone that would love to do the SAHD thing, I really and genuinely only feel enough motivation to get out of bed in the morning to go to work because I feel like my wife would be disappointed if I didn’t. That’s only a slight exaggeration, too. I have zero intrinsic goals as it pertains to work and wealth, beyond some survival basics and a handful of comforts. Give me a crappy studio apartment with indoor plumbing and electricity and I’ll basically be fine. I value time connec…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 03:05 AM
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I have never had a desire to actually be in a relationship with someone that’s younger than me by more than a couple years. There’s way more to another person than sex and I’ve always had something of a milf kink anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 02:59 AM
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Not to mention the other side of that - money. I totally empathize with the desire to just not work and get a bunch of money for pics or something. I do realize that, in practice, that’s not at all how it goes for women. But the mere fact that so many of us think “wow, I wish I could just shake my ass and get a million dollars for it” is enlightening by itself and something worth pondering for everybody lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 02:46 AM
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It feels like there’s an extremely revealing and noteworthy dynamic that men seem way more comfortable with the idea. Are we the real “whores” and “sluts” and stuff while we just project all of that on to you? Because I totally understand the OnlyFans thing lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 11:05 PM
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Yes, I hate working, too. If I had an in demand ass and could make a million dollars selling pics of it to strangers or shipping my undies to some rando on Ebay? Absolutely! I totally understand why people do it - a dollar doesn’t care how it’s made. That said, the idea that every woman can just opt to post pics of her ass and make a million bucks is extremely inaccurate from reality. Same energy as “if you work hard, you too could be Jeff Bezos”.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 11:02 PM
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Honest question- in what particular ways does Autism in women present differently than in men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 05:51 PM
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I think it more just freed everyone up to live lives they’ve always wanted in the first place. And men are finally catching on to this - more SAHD, female breadwinners, etc. It’s always hard going through any large social change due to a lack of a frame of reference. But that does not make it bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 04:51 PM
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Why would women be screwed by this? The extent to which women can earn enough to be independent by themselves is directly proportional to the extent to which they even “need BB” in the first place. If men decide to give up on chasing the almighty dollar in a significant way, guess who is going to be promoted and making a lot more money? It’s not the men. Perhaps such a thing would be better for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 04:48 PM
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Absolutely, I love helping. I hate working. Nobody is going to remember anything anybody does today in 200 years, anyway. I just want a hug.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 04:44 PM
1

If these folks really believed what they’re selling, they wouldn’t feel the need to sell it. Anybody doing anything different would eventually fall in line to natural inertia. You wouldn’t need explanations for it, just like you don’t need to teach someone how to breathe. Something tells me, and I cannot stress this enough, these people are simply wrong, unhappy, and insecure about it lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 04:41 PM
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Yup
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 06:05 PM
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No, I can’t let go of the fact that growing up, my dad’s behavior made me hate men and ruined my ability to see myself as actually able to have a positive impact on anything at all. I can’t change that. I’ve always needed to have women around just to connect in a human way with anybody. I’m working on healing from my own past. But if women disappeared, life would be perpetually miserable because I find it impossible to fully connect emotionally with other men and impossible to go through life wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:39 AM
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Feeling safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:29 AM
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They’re lonely. I don’t really think there’s much else to it. Money and power can’t fix that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:17 AM
1

All of it. It breaks my heart that so much hate is directed towards women because we’re so codependent on them and never figured ourselves out. I wish I knew how to fix it. But no amount of alpha male Red Pill pseudoscience on the one hand or guilt ridden pedestal placing on the other will ever fix simply feeling scared and alone but not knowing how to express it. At least not without feeling perfectly trapped between being isolated for acting like a pussy or punished for causing harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 08:51 PM
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Imagine being expected to be God. If we’re alone, find someone. If we’re broke, get rich. If we’re unemployed, get a job. If we’re sad, be happy. If we’re scared, get over it. Etc. In what ways are we even different? I might be able to pick up a larger rock than you? I mean, I’m just a person too and I just wish there was more space to feel lonely, sad, tired, etc. without immediately feeling guilty about it, as if everything has an immediate solution to it that’s right within my reach. I just w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 04:32 PM
1

Yes and no. It just feels like we try to squeeze every ounce of human vulnerability out of men and then the pressure just builds inside of them and that leads to all sorts of bad things - unless men can learn to ride that wave, which is just harder than it really needs to be. Plus we just end up desperate for women because we’re expected to kill everything in us that makes us human, then inevitably cannot, and ultimately dump it all on you because there’s no other outlets. I wish that would chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 03:37 PM
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Oh i agree completely
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 03:26 PM
1

This 100%. I feel like the only thing I’d add from the other side of the equation is that there’s an implicit expectation that everything is in our control at all times. Which is just logically silly because so many things in life just happen to us, no matter how powerful we could ever be. And so when you hear messages like “kill all men”, it feels like you’re internalizing responsibility for things that are just not within your control. I can’t personally stop other men from being assholes to y…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 12:14 PM
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Idk how else to say it but I’d trade sex for the ability to cry, if I had to pick one or the other for the rest of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 12:08 PM
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Thank you. That dynamic wrecked me when I was younger. What makes it all the worse is that it often feels like men are expected to be in control of everything at all times, which makes it hard to even forgive yourself if a social interaction goes awry. You end up obsessively focused on everything you did wrong (as if you could somehow change the past?), when in reality we’re just human and anybody that ever extended me fotgiveness and patience, I’m a bajillion percent grateful for.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 12:06 PM
2

We’ve never taught straight men the simplest fact about relating to women - There’s nothing you can do to prevent feeling attraction to women, but you do have control over what you do with it. Men’s attractions are chaotic and we’re just going to feel them - attraction to friends, attraction to other women when in a relationship or marriage, etc. But where men actually need to focus is on what you do with it? We end up in this shitty dynamic where straight men have this awful dependent obsession…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 03:05 PM
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This reads like an argument from the 1910’s in support of eugenics. There are way more factors in how a person develops than single motherhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 10:41 PM
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Hold space for men to be vulnerable in ways that defy stereotypical masculinity with you and someone will realize just how important you are to their day to day survival, whatever you look like be damned.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 09:03 PM
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There are plenty of biological influences over all sorts of human behavior. I’m mad when I’m hungry. But I know well enough not to act on that anger by killing someone because killing is clearly bad. Especially in that context. The mere fact that people have biological influences over their feelings does not lead to a predetermined result in behavior. Different social environments promote different behaviors. A lot of the things we collectively value in men and then turn around and say “wait, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:44 AM
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Because relationships are ruled far more by emotion than anybody really wants to admit. You just feel it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:36 AM
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Honestly, the biggest issue behind this is that men are habituated way more from the start to view everything through a lens of win or lose. So if I see myself as in a competition with you over whatever, you’re not going to be my friend. Unless that were to change enough, it’ll just be that way, sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:33 AM
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Why are you implying that men do? Sex and human relationships have everything to do with a profound lack of logic. And it’s great!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:26 AM
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No, I just want women to be however they actually are and for men to be that way too. And to just have the space for that. But if you think that men are hardwired to cheat and fantasize about fucking your friends all the time, you’re really hanging out with shitty men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:23 AM
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Yes, I would care less. I shouldn’t, but I would. There’s probably a bunch of personal and cultural reasons why.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 12:18 AM
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Many do, but even if we assume that 80% of the time, men and women will freely sort into their traditional roles, it’s that 20% of the time where people don’t fit the mold that causes way more misery than it really needs to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 03:36 PM
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That’s probably true, say, 80% of the time. I’m not going to pretend that there’s no rhyme and reason behind why traditional roles developed the way they did over time. But the 20% of the time where that doesn’t hold is the source of a massive amount of misery for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 03:29 PM
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A lot of women can’t get pregnant lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 03:25 PM
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I’m not arguing that happiness without working for it should be a goal because you are correct about that. Simply that the types of work and efforts each person is best suited for are different and that thinking that having only one acceptable path for half the population won’t lead to massive misery is just silly. If the traditional role thing is something you enjoy, that’s fine! Just don’t force everyone else to do life exactly like that because they may not want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 01:51 PM
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Lol men can become fathers. Are adoptive parents not parents? Are there no other social roles that require similar skills to motherhood? The idea that there’s no alternative is just not the case. Fight for your right to be valued for putting on an apron and doing some dishes and shit!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 01:48 PM
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Yes, but how much of that is valued and how much of the value in it is fought for?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 01:43 PM
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I think the feeling itself is common but in reality, the only thing guys ought to feel jealous of women for is having healthy emotional outlets and a wider net of human relationships. I would not want to have to cope with everything else that goes into living as a woman. But the emotional outlet thing does suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 06:40 AM
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I think there’s truth to this but from the opposite angle - men feel more emotionally needy for relationships with women than vice versa so women usually feel more content with being single. I’d simply feel too lonely to give up if I were in your shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 06:37 AM
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If I were in that spot, yes but I would need it to be okay with her for me to not take a vow of celibacy and singleness for the rest of my life upon her death. Which, would either be an honest and heartfelt enough conversation to warrant marriage or be a messy enough one to never talk again lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 06:32 AM
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Why are you assuming that the default state of any partner is to want to cheat on you the second you aren’t 1000% “perfect”? If you feel like you’re inadequate to a potential partner because of hair color, personality, weight, or lack of a dick, that really says a lot more about yourself. And, well, I’m sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 06:28 AM
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Of course. Most of men’s discontent just boils down to the fact that we’ve got seemingly one acceptable life path - career/provider. And a massive amount of us are miserable with putting that on a pedestal in precisely the same way that a massive amount of women are miserable with putting motherhood on a pedestal. Broaden what society values in men to include things like housework, cleaning, cooking, and whatever else - problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 06:13 AM
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And what if those are the women that those men want? Does everybody have to fit a particular mold?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 03:30 AM
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