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Her friend had a boyfriend who was there. I talked to her as one would a friend. Unfortunately that's not the reason.
/r/seduction10/06/26 12:31 AM
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I mean I literally had my arm around her. It was in a semi public place. I wasn't about to just start kissing her.
/r/seduction09/06/26 11:03 PM
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I don't think this is it, unless it's so subconscious that I'm oblivious to it. I felt like I was killing it all the way to the very end. If anything I might have been too bold.
/r/seduction09/06/26 11:01 PM
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That's my thought. I guess my two options are either to ignore it and chalk it up as part of the game, or try to guess what the issue could be and fix it. Neither is all that ideal.
/r/seduction09/06/26 10:59 PM
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Honestly that's a great analogy. What bothers me is that it seems like a pattern. I get these wild green lights and signs of attraction and then they seem to disappear instantly. Sometimes overnight, sometimes on the same night. Doesn't bother me as a singular event, but as a trend it makes me start to wonder if something is making me fumble this often beyond just bad luck.
/r/seduction09/06/26 09:27 PM
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Appreciate the advice. I would have asked her out then and there but like I said, she and her friend disappeared and I didn't have the opportunity. I'm not necessarily dwelling on it. But at the same time I like to learn from things like this if I can.
/r/seduction09/06/26 08:21 PM
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You know, I donate other bodily fluids as well
/r/seduction03/06/26 12:01 PM
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I got used to it last summer and enjoyed it. Had to get really hammered though. Gonna try again this year.
/r/seduction22/05/26 10:14 PM
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That's one I had to learn the hard way
/r/seduction02/05/26 11:27 PM
18

Any sort of social media presence is going to amplify attractiveness. Especially on social media.
/r/seduction02/05/26 10:05 PM
205

Not as much as men think, but more than women are willing to admit. Just remember that initial attraction is way more meaningful for men than women. Unless a guy is a legit 10/10, it's pretty easy for him to fumble a girl who's physically attracted to him if he's boring/awkward/creepy/excitable/docile etc etc.
/r/seduction02/05/26 05:10 PM
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Probably depends on how impressive your insta is. I usually ask for numbers because I barely touch mine and don't have a lot of followers.
/r/seduction01/05/26 03:24 PM
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“Yo I’m gonna go say hi to that girl/those girls over there wish me luck” Then if it goes well you can introduce her/them to your friends
/r/seduction01/04/26 06:01 PM
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Introduce myself Engaging conversation Her friend joins in Talk for an hour or so Have to leave Get instagram Dm her next day saying I enjoyed meeting her She responds enthusiastically with the same See if she’s free this weekend 👻 Same shit different day
/r/seduction17/03/26 02:04 PM
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Any supplement making those claims that isn't laced with beta blockers or xanax is a scam.
/r/seduction10/03/26 06:34 PM
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Planning on going there for a week or two in August. First time.
/r/seduction04/03/26 09:24 PM
1

Is it a common thing? Like I get that being pretty means girls can be choosy, but the difference in the way they treat me is kind of insane. I always thought it was because I’m decently good looking but nothing special to more attractive girls. Either that or I just subconsciously act needier with them.
/r/seduction02/03/26 09:10 PM
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Weirdly enough almost every girl I’ve seriously dated has had daddy issues, and none of them were bad experiences. There’s obviously been trauma to sort through, but none of the stereotypical attention-seeking behavior. Those types don’t like me because I’m too nonchalant.
/r/seduction02/03/26 06:46 PM
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Girls I'm not attracted to Also girls with daddy issues
/r/seduction02/03/26 03:49 PM
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What part of the world/country are you in? Seems like most girls around me just wanna be wifey.
/r/seduction06/02/26 04:03 PM
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Where do you live?
/r/seduction06/02/26 04:01 PM
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You literally have nothing to lose. I’ve kept things afloat for significantly longer with just texting.
/r/seduction07/01/26 07:05 PM
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lol that’s not how it works
/r/seduction15/12/25 01:26 PM
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Accountability is part of it, but looking for patterns is also important. If a girl has dated nothing but toxic guys, it can mean one of two things, and neither are good. Either she's the toxic one and is deflecting, or she's continuously drawn to men who display toxic behavior. When people who are accustomed to toxic behavior deal with relative normalcy in a relationship, they tend to either get bored or project past trauma onto their partner and create drama.
/r/seduction26/11/25 04:26 PM
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Eh, I've hit on tall girls before. They don't get hit on as often, but if they're attractive they probably aren't struggling. They usually appreciate the confidence but if you're shorter than them you're still fighting an uphill battle.
/r/seduction23/11/25 01:30 AM
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Seriously. Reading stories about guys in relationships with women who don’t respect them is eye opening. Makes it way easier to move on if she’s being wishy washy or unenthusiastic. Most guys have the ability to become attractive to SOME women. At that point you just chalk it up to not being someone’s type.
/r/seduction21/11/25 02:16 PM
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Men are still generally expected to be able to face and tackle their flaws more than women are. I have a few close female friends, and I'd be way more comfortable delivering a harsh truth to a guy friend. Hot chicks do like having hot friends. But girls also don't want to feel unattractive compared to their friends. Especially if they're insecure.
/r/seduction14/11/25 07:22 PM
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I also feel like women have a reverse crab bucket mentality and it leads to the opposite result. They're very supportive and encouraging to other women, and for two reasons. "Being real" with other women can strain relationships. Men deal with enough rejection to where it's expected we're able to face harsh truths. With women it's a bit more dicey. It's just the old "does this dress make me look fat?" trope. The answer is always no. Preaching self-improvement leads to more competition. Women don…
/r/seduction14/11/25 07:05 PM
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I would've thought this was stupid a year ago but I can low key relate. I'm usually not that direct but I have no issue going up to girls. I'm about 5'10 and have a decent pretty boy look. Approached two women a couple months ago who were receptive and got #s, but they admitted they thought I was gay at first because I actually tried getting to know them before anything else.
/r/seduction03/11/25 08:38 PM
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Pretty big difference especially if you’re average height.
/r/seduction27/09/25 05:02 PM
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Shooters shoot
/r/seduction18/09/25 07:34 PM
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I’ve just recently started going out to bars alone. It was never something I did before. I went to visit the bar my friend works at a few weeks ago but it got so packed she didn’t have much time to chat. I ended up having a great night and figured there was no reason I couldn’t keep doing essentially the same thing. What I like doing is to start by sitting by and just talking to people there. Other guys, couples etc. Once I chat for long enough the weird feeling of being out alone goes away and …
/r/seduction02/09/25 01:48 AM
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The sting of regret is so much worse than rejection. I approached a girl and was politely rejected a couple nights ago, and I forgot about it until I saw your post. On the other hand, there are certain missed opportunities that I still wince at years later. Assuming you can hold a good conversation under normal circumstances, it sounds like you just get nervous and have tunnel vision. As you more frequently approach and just meet new people in general, that will start to go away.
/r/seduction31/08/25 05:15 PM
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Don’t be envious of those types. Some women need drama and emotional highs and lows. They need a guy who’s an asshole and a challenge or they’ll get bored. If that isn’t you then dating them wouldn’t work. Find a girl who’s emotionally mature enough to want a guy who treats them consistently well. It’ll save you a major headache.
/r/seduction20/08/25 02:16 PM
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Man I thought I was neurotic
/r/seduction15/07/25 08:04 PM
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“Long term, open to short” as opposed to what
/r/seduction02/07/25 05:31 PM
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Next time it's easier just to say "I'm really good looking."
/r/seduction05/06/25 08:35 PM
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The gym is tough because most people focus intensely on what they're doing. Also, since it's somewhere we go regularly, it can be awkward if things don't work out. That said, I think the best way to go about it is to ask a question, and then follow that with a compliment. Gym dudes love explaining gym stuff to people. If you ask a guy about technique or muscles targeted by an exercise, then compliment his lift or even something about his physique, that both creates an easy ice breaker for him an…
/r/seduction08/04/25 11:01 PM
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How much did you spend on one?
/r/seduction16/03/25 12:29 AM
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I was in your shoes. Don’t beat yourself up over failures, because they’re inevitable. Just because you’re behind doesn’t mean you’re not in a great situation to catch up. It can be hard when you’re struggling and surrounded by guys who aren’t. But keep talking to girls and embrace the bumps in the road. I failed a bunch of times before I figured it out, and I saw younger guys go through the same thing after me.
/r/seduction10/02/25 02:31 AM
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When a girl likes you, you’re playing baseball. There’s no limit to how many runs you can give up in the 9th, and matter how big a lead you have, you can always choke it away. When a girl isn’t into you, you’re playing basketball. At a certain point when you’re down, winning becomes an impossibility and you’re better off resting your starters for the next game.
/r/seduction05/02/25 06:29 AM
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I’m a decent looking guy but my teeth have always been an Achilles heel. To the point where I avoid smiling with my mouth open altogether. I take good care of my hygiene but have had some structural issues mostly out of my control. I’m spending $1.2k on crowns and may throw more money at it down the line. It’ll be 100% worth it if I can confidently smile and laugh.
/r/seduction03/02/25 05:29 PM
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Why would you want to take out someone who says she isn’t into you? Best case scenario she feels like she’s doing you a favor and will act entitled because of it, worst case scenario she’s using you as a meal ticket. There’s no winning.
/r/seduction19/01/25 07:35 PM
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100%. I’m 31 but probably look about 21. Most women my age don’t seem all that interested compared to the early 20’s girls I meet on occasion.
/r/seduction10/08/24 03:13 AM
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I live in Miami Ok yeah here's your problem
/r/seduction25/06/24 10:29 PM
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Text game immaculate, in-person game inept
/r/seduction03/06/24 07:51 PM
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This seems presumptuous. Talking about past things during the early stages of talking is pretty standard unless she specifically brings up features OP doesn't have to make him jealous. Especially if she assumes OP himself is confident and experienced.
/r/seduction26/05/24 03:25 PM
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It's both. There's definitely a subconscious component where guys act less needy when they have options, which comes across as more attractive. But also a very conscious component where a girl will become more interested upon hearing a guy has options, or even if he's in a relationship. I've experienced both of these. I was talking to a girl recently who admitted she kind of kept me at arms length until I started talking to her friend, and then all of a sudden she wanted to jump my bones.
/r/seduction25/05/24 02:19 PM
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Invite me problem solved
/r/seduction22/05/24 09:39 PM
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There’s a happy medium
/r/seduction13/05/24 05:52 PM
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I mean, I get. You seem like a normal dude who is still learning. I know you were 100% joking, you know you were 100% joking, but she doesn't know that you're 100% joking. Think of it this way. If my very good friend makes a racist joke, it's not a big deal because I know him well enough to know he isn't actually racist. But if someone I just met makes a joke like that, I'm going to seriously wonder if they actually might be racist. Sometimes jokes can be half-joke and half-true. She doesn't kno…
/r/seduction20/04/24 09:41 PM
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You made 4 mistakes: You made her uncomfortable by making her feel as though she's being watched. You diminished yourself in her eyes by implying you couldn't control yourself. You over-explained yourself when she called you out. You played it too straight up at a place you both go to regularly. It's fine to chat up a girl at the gym, but you have to keep in mind that this is a place both of you frequent. In that type of situation, it's typically better to begin by getting to know her without an…
/r/seduction20/04/24 08:30 PM
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Don't play hard to get. Any self-respecting guy in 2024 will move on if you don't seem interested.
/r/seduction19/04/24 01:10 AM
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The guitar thing was just me being oblivious. And for some reason I was convinced that not showing sexual desire was the way to go. I also had yet to experience myself as a sexual being, and so the concept of me being in that situation seemed like a huge jump when I hadn’t even had my first kiss.
/r/seduction16/04/24 02:37 AM
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I wasn't and have never been a dimepiece or anything. There were definitely better looking dudes around who also got attention. But I was cute, jacked, socially active, and of course the gender ratio was in my favor. I also gave off a lot more confidence than I actually had.
/r/seduction16/04/24 12:56 AM
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Sorta. I’ve still never had the kind of opportunities I did back then. But I’ve done okay.
/r/seduction15/04/24 04:55 PM
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There’s no logic to it. I was an anxious kid. I’m not autistic but it probably helps to think of me as autistic just to make sense of it.
/r/seduction15/04/24 04:50 PM
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Let’s just say my looks are not my limiting factor lol
/r/seduction15/04/24 04:25 PM
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Sex was a foreign concept to me and I was scared, had no idea when/how to make a move
/r/seduction15/04/24 04:24 PM
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This is all from a decade ago so I’ve lived my life since then. I’ve had some good sex and some good relationships. Still, there’s no real upside to being as terrified as I was.
/r/seduction15/04/24 02:07 AM
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No. But keep in mind this was an unusual time in my life. Women don’t typically throw themselves at me. Also over a decade ago back when looks mattered more than height.
/r/seduction15/04/24 01:53 AM
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It’s gotten to where I can look back and laugh, and also turn it into a positive. I still look pretty good, so I just need to stay lean and put myself out there.
/r/seduction15/04/24 12:59 AM
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This all happened a decade ago and I’ve had a decent romantic life since given my many mental and physical ailments. Sex was such a foreign concept back then and I typically felt caught off guard. But yeah…
/r/seduction15/04/24 12:57 AM
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This all happened a decade ago. Definitely not a chad though I’ve had a decent dating life. Too much ADHD and anxiety.
/r/seduction15/04/24 12:56 AM
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My life is a case study on wasted potential. I'm used to it by now.
/r/seduction14/04/24 10:53 PM
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My freshman year of college I was pretty fit and in a female-predominant dorm, but also a terrified kissless virgin. The amount of times I fumbled that year alone is the stuff of legend. I... -Had a girl ask me to teach her guitar. I told her I wasn't good enough (I was.) -Had a girl straight up ask me to hook up after a night of partying. She wasn't wasted or anything, I just froze up. -Had the same girl invite me into her bed, just the two of us, to watch netflix. Didn't make a move. -Went to …
/r/seduction14/04/24 10:45 PM
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Everyone has preferences. No need to feel like you're toxic or misogynistic. What you're saying is essentially the same thing as a woman who wants to date men who are ambitious in their careers. Which is an extremely common phenomenon. That said, I'm the total opposite. Women who aren't career-oriented tend to be clingy, not to mention emotionally and financially dependent. I want someone who is their own person and who I view as an equal. If things become logical and I have to put in more effor…
/r/seduction01/04/24 07:44 PM
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Refraining from masturbation won't fix that but it might help make you more motivated to change that...
/r/seduction20/02/24 05:33 PM
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It depends on which is a bigger hurdle: desperation or lack of opportunity. If you’re desperate, whacking it can actually help quell that some, because at least you’re getting your rocks off. If you’re not meeting enough girls, masturbation is only going to make you more complacent.
/r/seduction18/02/24 09:32 PM
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Fuckboy is not an insult
/r/seduction31/01/24 05:53 PM
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Yeah I have the hyper issue too, especially when I'm out amongst people in raucous environments. It's good for making friends but is definitely unattractive to women. Women tend to like a guy who's outgoing and friendly, but also calm and relaxed. Being overly jokey is fine when it's back and forth flirting, but it's usually best to be mostly serious and crack an occasional one.
/r/seduction30/01/24 02:33 PM
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It's not really a concern, OP is just bad at humble bragging.
/r/seduction12/08/23 01:37 PM
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All pretty good suggestions except #4. You never want to come across as indecisive and passive when you can avoid it. Girls like guys who know what they want.
/r/seduction27/06/23 05:02 PM
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Simpin ain’t easy
/r/seduction11/09/22 08:22 PM
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Headphones and RBF
/r/seduction04/09/22 12:35 AM
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Not ideal but not necessarily unsalvageable. I think you have the right strategy to fix it.
/r/seduction31/08/22 10:44 AM
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Joke’s on you, I have ADHD and still have this problem
/r/seduction25/08/22 01:12 PM
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Thanks for this, especially #1. Being uncomfortable with silence is something I’m trying to change.
/r/seduction18/08/22 09:48 PM
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The sexiest clothes are clothes on the floor
/r/seduction15/08/22 06:14 PM
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She either likes you or thinks you’re gay. No in between.
/r/seduction26/07/22 10:42 PM
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Do not buy a girl flowers, or any gifts for that matter, if you are not already dating.
/r/seduction25/07/22 11:24 AM
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The advice you’ve been given is from women who would rather avoid inconveniencing other women than help you improve your romantic life. They’re telling you how to be meek, unobtrusive, and inoffensive because they don’t believe in your ability to be more assertive. And while it may help you avoid being labeled a creep, it’s also going to make it much more difficult to make progress.
/r/seduction04/07/22 08:24 PM
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No
/r/seduction22/06/22 12:37 PM
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I've said it before, so maybe it's a midwest thing. Don't overthink it though, it means nothing.
/r/seduction12/06/22 12:40 PM
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Lmao bruh if waiting half an hour has you feeling some type of way, you’re going to have a rough time with women going forward.
/r/seduction09/06/22 12:48 PM
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Disregard that comment. Your looks are not why you haven't found a boyfriend. As much as men care about appearance, looks are not what's going to take you from hot date to girlfriend. Women who date passively and don't explore unconventional avenues are much less likely to find relationships. This is because guys who get plenty of matches, and/or are comfortable asking out someone they don't know well, tend to prefer keeping things casual. You don't necessarily need to do ALL the legwork, but wh…
/r/seduction08/06/22 11:55 AM
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I don’t live in NYC but I met a nice girl in a coffee shop last time I was there. The subway can also be decent if she’s not wearing headphones or walking somewhere.
/r/seduction03/06/22 09:50 AM
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If you’re trying to hook up with different girls you pretty much have to play games. It sucks and I hate it, but that’s reality. If you’re trying to meet “the right one,” you can be more sincere. Some women like “sweet”, but no women like “vulnerable.” Some women tolerate vulnerability, but only in a serious relationship.
/r/seduction29/05/22 06:10 PM
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In general no, but I guarantee I ain't gonna be picking up chicks on the road from my Ford Focus.
/r/seduction19/05/22 10:31 AM
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Bout a year. At that point she asked me for a relationship and I said yes.
/r/seduction18/05/22 05:05 PM
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It sounds bitter, but this is where it all starts. If a guy wants to get laid, the first thing he has to do is BE someone who women will want to sleep with. If you're looking for a relationship, you have to turn that on its head. You need to BE someone that the right guy will want to spend time with outside of the bedroom. Every girl I've gotten serious with, or wanted to get serious with, has had passions, goals (even if they're modest,) and a good sense of humor. Things that make me enjoy spen…
/r/seduction18/05/22 09:54 AM
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Only if you fuck me first
/r/seduction17/05/22 11:49 AM
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Yeah it's called compatibility
/r/seduction14/05/22 09:17 PM
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“I like my women like I like my coffee. I don’t like coffee.”
/r/seduction13/05/22 09:08 AM
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Exactly. It’s not that girls don’t like being slutty. It’s that they don’t like FEELING slutty. If she says that, she just wants to be treated respectfully and not feel like a piece of meat. If you pass that, hookups are on the table.
/r/seduction11/05/22 07:52 PM
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Creatine shits
/r/seduction10/05/22 04:37 PM
14

Physical contact during conversation. The best way to let a guy know you’re interested without saying it straight up is to touch him. Knee, shoulder, hand, or even chest if you’re feeling ballsy.
/r/seduction09/05/22 12:44 PM
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Go clubbing enough and you’ll know. Drunk women can be very forward. That said, there are three levels of attractiveness. Between 1. attractive and 3. unattractive, there’s 2. “wouldn’t pursue but wouldn’t say no to if he/she plays their cards right.” Most guys fall within that category.
/r/seduction08/05/22 12:55 PM
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-all girls are the same , there's no such thing as "different girls" who needs you to behave different to fuck her. Upvoted because I strongly disagree. Some girls want you to be douchey and aggressive while others will run as fast as they can in the other direction.
/r/seduction07/05/22 04:39 PM
0

Two completely different concepts. Friendliness is more akin to being outgoing than being nice.
/r/seduction07/05/22 12:54 PM
49

This is good advice. Being able to recognize when a woman is and isn't interested is almost as important as flirting itself. Obviously you want to be able to recognize when you have an opportunity, but in addition to that, time and effort spent chasing someone who isn't into you is time and effort that could be spent finding someone who is.
/r/seduction06/05/22 11:38 AM
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I do this when I'm stressed. I have ADHD, and it's not remotely sexual.
/r/seduction04/05/22 10:10 PM
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I think you had the right idea tbh. I'd have reacted the same way. BUT... People can change their minds. It wouldn't hurt to ask if she wants to study and see if her attitude toward you has changed.
/r/seduction04/05/22 05:26 PM
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I totally get where you're coming from. I used to be the same way and still do catch myself defaulting to "nice" mode at times. I find that the more people you meet and the more social experiences you have, the less you feel a constant need to be nice. Pure niceness screams desperation, as well as a lack of enough self-respect to consider your own wants and needs. The most important thing is to never be afraid to express your desires, or lack thereof. If you want something, let it be known. If y…
/r/seduction04/05/22 09:57 AM
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Eh, not necessarily. All it means is she's not particularly put off by you.
/r/seduction03/05/22 03:16 PM
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Women ask questions here all the time. Seduction knows no gender, even if there are differences in approach between men and women.
/r/seduction03/05/22 12:51 PM
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Different people like different things
/r/seduction02/05/22 03:48 PM
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Effort is huge. For everyone, but especially for women.
/r/seduction02/05/22 11:44 AM
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Be in-shape, be chill, be outgoing, be confident, be low-maintenance, and be in-shape. Yes I said it twice. Also, if looks are that important to you, you're probably going to have to compromise in other areas. I'm objectively physically attractive, and I'm absolutely willing to date an average-looking girl if she takes good care of her body and I vibe with her. That said, I have my issues and most girls aren't about my personality once they get to know me. If you're looking for hot guys who are …
/r/seduction01/05/22 06:07 PM
5

Is she a woman or a mortgage?
/r/seduction30/04/22 12:32 AM
1

I didn't kiss a girl until I was 19 and in college. I stayed outwardly confident, took initiative in my social life, and faked it until I made it. I've done fine since then despite some serious things working against me, and don't feel like I missed out on anything.
/r/seduction29/04/22 12:10 PM
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Gifts are for women you're either already dating seriously or have no interest in dating. I've never paid for a date in my life, because that's not the expectation I want to create. It eliminates a good chunk of the dating pool, but that's the sacrifice I have to make. It's 2021. Women are just as capable of supporting themselves as men are. I prefer to spend my time and money on making myself more appealing as a person. Even if you do manage to win a girl over with gifts and dinners, you run th…
/r/seduction29/04/22 11:32 AM
1

Don't beat yourself up over this one. Just chalk it up to tinder flakiness.
/r/seduction28/04/22 10:11 PM
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I mean the most important thing is just to be mindful of it. That's the part I struggle with the most. Everything else just boils down to confidence and experience.
/r/seduction28/04/22 01:42 PM
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The fact that you’ve cold approached that much means you’re already comfortable doing the hard part. But your aunt is right. You’ve gotta get in shape and get your aesthetic in order. Otherwise you’re just wasting time and effort at this point. Keep talking to girls so you don’t lose your progress, but your main focus should be self-improvement.
/r/seduction27/04/22 11:10 AM
11

He’s not “punishing her.” He owes her nothing. He was getting too caught up and wanted to take a step back. If you flake on someone, male or female, it’s your responsibility to take initiative to reschedule. The fact that she didn’t meant that OP felt like he needed to back off.
/r/seduction25/04/22 08:59 AM
2

Yeah I slay hella dragons when I’m playing DnD
/r/seduction24/04/22 08:59 PM
18

Agreed on #2-4, not so much #1
/r/seduction23/04/22 03:06 PM
1

Not really the same thing. I'm white too but I can acknowledge that it's a lot more difficult for a South Asian guy to have success in a mostly white country.
/r/seduction21/04/22 11:15 AM
3

Yeah I'm thinking she sees OP as a class buddy and doesn't want it to go beyond that. I've been in his situation before.
/r/seduction21/04/22 09:53 AM
10

Damn I need to find me some low expectations bitches ASAP
/r/seduction21/04/22 08:54 AM
3

Lmao do not say this. I wouldn’t panic. It’s normal to go a week without texting. Just act like everything is normal. Don’t be afraid to double text every so often, especially if he’s busy often.
/r/seduction20/04/22 01:54 PM
1

It lowered it a little but wasn't really much of an issue for me personally
/r/seduction18/04/22 10:01 PM
2

Yes. If you have MPB it’s always going to be a battle. My hair is really important to my look so it’s worth it for me.
/r/seduction18/04/22 08:22 PM
3

Depends on how far along it is. I started losing my hair a few years ago and luckily caught it pretty early. Went all out: rogaine, finasteride, supplements, the whole 9 yards. I managed to recover some of it and it's been pretty steady ever since. My hairline isn't quite what it was when I was 20, but I style it in a way that doesn't draw attention to it and most people have no idea that it's an issue for me at all.
/r/seduction18/04/22 04:17 PM
10

This is way, way more accurate and eloquent than the OP. This should be in chapter 1 of dating 101. It’s not about being an asshole all of the time, or even some of the time. It’s about limiting being overly nice.
/r/seduction16/04/22 10:44 AM
5

This is pretty good. Of course the distinction to make is whether she suggests a different day she'd be free. Not doing so is a bad sign but not necessarily a death sentence. If it's the first time it happens and the excuse seems legit, I may say "ok np" or something like that. Short and sweet. If she is still genuinely interested, she'll likely realize that she's giving me the wrong impression and suggest a time that might actually work. If I get the sense that she's just giving me the run arou…
/r/seduction15/04/22 02:47 PM
0

If her ideal lover is a horse I’m not interested
/r/seduction14/04/22 11:34 PM
11

I hate people so much
/r/seduction14/04/22 11:01 AM
46

I'm a dude who's never been afraid to show emotion. I avoid it when I can around women. Both serious girlfriends I've had have handled it very well (there's a reason I dated them,) but aside from them the experience has been largely negative. Also before you assume I'm overemotional or just don't know how to control them, that couldn't be farther from the truth. I stay very relaxed and objective when I'm opening up to someone.
/r/seduction13/04/22 03:34 PM
22

Exactly. "Hey" is so the 24 hour timer doesn't run out. It's basically just validating the match.
/r/seduction13/04/22 02:45 PM
3

Attractive is attractive. Height is part of that, but it's not everything. I'm about 5'9 and while I have my issues, overall physical appearance hasn't really been one. I also work out and put effort into my aesthetic, with genetics also being a major factor of course.
/r/seduction13/04/22 02:16 PM
1

Agree with everything except that last part. Being a good guy and looking for a nice girl is not enough, and the notion that it is is what creates the "nice guy" mantra. You have to bring some value, and not just OP's incellish definition of value. Are you funny? Are you charismatic? Are you interesting? Are you adventurous? If not, being a "good guy" is going to get you nowhere.
/r/seduction12/04/22 02:52 PM
5

To be fair, this isn't really in the wild. It's still reddit. I've noticed an influx of incellish posts recently. Not sure why.
/r/seduction12/04/22 02:47 PM
2

That's not true at all. Just be chill but also say "I'm not really looking for anything serious," or "I'm just looking to meet new people." You're more likely to get turned down, but there's nothing creepy or unethical about it if you're honest.
/r/seduction11/04/22 01:24 PM
7

It’s not. Just be straightforward about it.
/r/seduction11/04/22 08:49 AM
3

Lmao women are responsive to me until about 2 minutes after I start talking After that point the only ones left are shallow girls and fellow weirdos
/r/seduction08/04/22 10:08 PM
2

It’s true, trust me -a dude who has looks but no game
/r/seduction08/04/22 08:40 PM
1

I was in a similar situation recently. Got drunk and went into "best friend" mode with this chick and completely killed any chance to set the mood. If you're like me and seduction isn't your default mode, you've gotta actively change up your approach. Make her laugh. Don't give serious answers to her questions. Make innuendos (nothing too graphic.) Tease her. Find an opportunity to put your hand on her shoulder if you two are laughing, you're reassuring her about something, encouraging her in so…
/r/seduction04/04/22 07:45 PM
1

Don't trust the system
/r/seduction27/03/22 05:28 PM
3

It's not ideal but if that's what you can manage then be about it. I'm tired all the time and don't usually have the energy for multiple women at a time. It just is what it is.
/r/seduction26/03/22 12:27 AM
0

From simp to pimp, a true inspiration
/r/seduction24/03/22 09:51 PM
3

Absolutely true. I can tell you firsthand, no matter how attracted a girl is to you physically, there’s always room to screw it up.
/r/seduction24/03/22 02:01 PM
2

Agreed on the last part but it definitely doesn't make things worse. Don't blow smoke.
/r/seduction24/03/22 01:17 PM
9

Yeah true, it's more about not screwing up than actively succeeding. Which can still be pretty tough, but obviously easier than the alternative. It's like getting a head start in a race. It's a lot easier to win if you're a capable runner, but if you're out of shape or trip over your feet it won't matter.
/r/seduction24/03/22 01:15 PM
22

Get off dating apps and meet women IRL. I use dating apps, but judging women's standards based on dating apps is like judging a man's standards by the girls he follows on instagram. Women are choosy because men aren't, and because they don't have time to sift through hundreds of profiles. You'll find that if you get to know a girl in person, she's more likely to be more forgiving of things that may cause her to "swipe left" on you. Whether it's looks, age, height, or something seemingly asinine.…
/r/seduction23/03/22 03:56 PM
4

The harsh reality is that most guys who don't start dating at a young age are going to be seen as a creep at least once. I guarantee that some of the girls I tried talking to freshman year of college thought I was creepy because I was still figuring things out. Just don't make any sexual comments, and most importantly keep things brief. If a woman feels like you're holding her hostage, she's way more likely to label you a creep. Chat her up for a few minutes, ask her if she wants to grab drinks/…
/r/seduction21/03/22 01:48 PM
54

Yeah that’s a perfect comparison
/r/seduction15/03/22 05:58 PM
26

Yeah this is the move. It's way easier to be straightforward in a purely social setting with alcohol involved. FTR I've found that when a girl asks me if/who I'm seeing, she is almost always at least a little bit interested. Girls don't want to picture a guy they're not attracted to laying the wood.
/r/seduction09/03/22 06:16 PM
25

He ALMOST got it right though. You can lift to get women. Lifting regularly takes discipline, and pussy is the ultimate motivator. Just don’t expect it to compensate for a lack of personality or willingness to approach. A shy, awkward, insecure dude with a good body isn’t going to get laid. Being in shape helps, but you still have to be able and willing to do the leg work.
/r/seduction19/02/22 08:52 AM
6

"Too old for you" isn't bad if your body language suggests that you might be into her after all. But don't try to avoid the subject. Just own it. I took some college courses this fall and got acquainted with a group of undergrad girls. When they asked me my age and I told them I was 28, they insisted I looked 19 and demanded to see my license. They weren't wrong; I do look very young for my age. But neither of those things ended up working against me, because I've learned how to be comfortable i…
/r/seduction13/02/22 03:03 PM
1

I’m in the same boat, and I just took a couple “selfies” using a timer and a bar stool. It felt a little sad but it got me the results I wanted.
/r/seduction13/02/22 01:09 PM
1

Huh. I feel no guilt about masturbating. I guess it’s one of the perks of growing up in a secular household.
/r/seduction09/02/22 11:29 PM
3

It’s easy to avoid putting in the effort to actually hit on a woman when you can tell yourself you can just go home and whack it later on. Abstaining from masturbation makes you more likely to put yourself out there, but can also make you more desperate. If you struggle more to motivate yourself to meet women than you do with winning them over, it’s a prudent move. Otherwise, it’s not.
/r/seduction09/02/22 10:51 PM
3

You have to be incredibly attractive to get consistent attention from women without actively putting yourself out there. Gay men and women have slightly different preferences in men overall, but the biggest factor is that men just take initiative more often. Also, even if you're objectively handsome, body language plays a huge part in attracting women. I'm not on the spectrum, but I do have severe ADHD. So despite being good looking, I often put women off with my body language and my general dis…
/r/seduction30/01/22 05:04 PM
2

I’m not trying to give him a master class in picking up women. I’m just getting the point across that there’s absolutely no need to feel bad about seeking casual sex.
/r/seduction27/01/22 09:25 PM
27

Definitely does not help. First, it makes me even weirder than I already am. Second, it makes me content to stay in and do nothing. And third, it can make me paranoid and assume any girl I talk to hates me.
/r/seduction27/01/22 09:04 PM
24

While this is nice and thorough, there are really only two pieces of advice if you want to hook up with girls without feeling like a douche. Don't lie about your intentions Don't act like a douche The stereotype is that women want relationships and players lead them on and lie to get into their pants. While that does happen, the reality is there are plenty of girls out there who are open to, if not looking for NSA hookups.
/r/seduction27/01/22 07:51 PM
16

You'd be surprised. I've gotten unmatched for not sending dick pics.
/r/seduction26/01/22 06:12 PM
1

Actually, if you only see her at her workplace, I wouldn't even ask her out while she's working. This is the only situation in which it's best just to give her your number and leave it at that. Normally you want to take as much initiative and be as forward as possible. Here you can flirt all you want, but avoid putting her on the spot.
/r/seduction25/01/22 06:46 PM
80

Oh whoops I dropped my monster 8-ball that I use for my magnum coke addiction
/r/seduction19/01/22 01:01 AM
108

I got tired just reading this. Was seeing two girls for like a month last year and it was too much.
/r/seduction17/01/22 07:54 PM
11

Issue is women tend to marry young in the south. I moved from the north to the south and it seems like it's harder down here, at least where I am.
/r/seduction12/01/22 04:24 PM
21

Yeah r/Instagramreality has been pretty educational in that regard
/r/seduction29/12/21 02:57 AM
7

Lol what? When I think "dom" the first thing I think of is "Russian chick."
/r/seduction24/12/21 06:20 PM
23

“Wanna bang?” Guarantee you’ll get the quick “no” you’re looking for.
/r/seduction18/11/21 03:16 PM
1

Disagree. I’ve sealed deals with texting that I’d have never been able to pull off in person
/r/seduction02/11/21 09:02 PM
8

Some do. I think ideally you want to be slim but visibly in shape. Like an NBA player or a male model.
/r/seduction17/09/21 01:57 PM
16

Lmao noooo do not use either of these. Especially the first one.
/r/seduction24/08/21 09:48 PM
5

I’m in a very similar situation, minus the good job. Most women I’ve met have been through apps, which are way more difficult to navigate than meeting people organically. I know plenty of guys who’ve had as much or more success than me despite not being as attractive.
/r/seduction18/08/21 05:36 PM
37

I used to think like this, but now I think it's silly. Being in shape is important, and being well-groomed and well-dressed are arguably moreso, but.... ...you can make yourself as aesthetically appealing as possible, and most women are still going to lose interest the minute you open your mouth if you come across as uncomfortable, awkward, insecure, and insincere.
/r/seduction18/08/21 02:18 PM
5

Dude’s great. I’ve been lifting since I was 14 years old and I still learn things from his videos. Things that have directly gotten me compliments from women.
/r/seduction09/08/21 11:07 AM
38

I think people in general will tell you what they want from someone they’re already attracted to, rather than what makes them attractive.
/r/seduction16/07/21 12:51 AM
-5

What did your horoscope say today, bud?
/r/seduction25/05/21 10:08 PM
-2

Karma isn’t real. What is real is fallout from getting involved in that kind of drama.
/r/seduction25/05/21 05:42 PM
8

Sounds good in theory, but it doesn't work. You're putting yourself at a disadvantage by making her take initiative. The only time I could imagine doing it is if she's working and I want to let her make the decision outside of her professional environment.
/r/seduction07/05/21 05:08 PM
2

Yeah I've felt it's best to not take anything that happens on dating apps too personally. I've even had my share of times where I forgot to respond to someone I was interested in.
/r/seduction30/04/21 12:26 PM
3

Just give her a reason for wanting her number. It diffuses the bluntness of it and makes it easier to ask for. “Let me get your number in case you want to do x.” “What’s your number? You seem like you’d be fun to do x with.” Unless you’re talking to a drunk girl at a club, you want to keep your intentions vague at first so she isn’t bored by the lack of a challenge.
/r/seduction26/04/21 02:26 PM
8

I wouldn’t have cheated but Heranus was in retrograde
/r/seduction26/04/21 10:04 AM
54

Also don’t do too much with your hands. I have a bad habit of constantly touching my face, neck, arms, head etc and it screams “nervous”
/r/seduction25/04/21 11:31 PM
67

At the same time, even if a woman is attracted to you physically, there’s almost always room to screw it up with your demeanor and interaction. Trust me, would know.
/r/seduction07/04/21 04:34 PM
2

I feel like the fact that I don't have many stories means I'm not trying hard enough. I've gotten rejected plenty of times, but it's usually soft because I usually only throw all my cards on the table if I really like my chances of success. The worst was probably a girl at a party in college who basically ignored me and then proceeded to ask if I knew any tall guys there. Woof.
/r/seduction06/04/21 02:40 PM
8

You're right, and it doesn't even have to be about style. Any innocent compliment that isn't just "I think ur hot" is a great conversation starter.
/r/seduction30/03/21 01:53 PM
62

Dating has also changed a lot since most parents were our age. Women are more independent, casual sex is more common, and online dating has become the norm. Most parents either realize this and stay quiet, or they give advice that's completely obsolete. Grand gestures that used to be considered romantic are now seen as desperate. Persistence used to get you dates, but now just gets you into trouble. For better or worse, the game has changed.
/r/seduction18/03/21 01:18 PM
32

The most important one is the one you lack the most. So the answer is different for everyone.
/r/seduction17/03/21 04:13 PM
22

I'm not the person you want advice from, but if you need a line then you've already lost. It's going to come across as rehearsed and insincere. Say something relevant to what's going on around you or something from their conversation that was loud enough for you to hear.
/r/seduction11/03/21 06:04 PM
58

I think it's situational, and OP is correct in circumstances where a girl might feel vulnerable. A guy who approaches a girl and her friend(s) together seems less likely to have bad intentions. I feel like I've had better luck approaching groups. First up, the odds are better that at least one of them is single and interested. But it also takes some pressure off, because I can let them chat amongst themselves if I don't have anything funny or interesting to say at the moment.
/r/seduction11/03/21 04:19 PM
30

It's not necessarily awkwardness, but more specifically not knowing how to show interest. Guys don't usually quit like that because a girl is awkward. It's pretty far down the list of turn offs. They call off the dogs because they think she isn't interested. If I approach a random girl in public, I assume that she likely either isn't single, isn't interested, or just wants to get on with her day. But fuck it why not give it a shot, right? So if it seems like things are going nowhere quickly, I'm…
/r/seduction22/01/21 01:57 AM
-1

THANK YOU. A lot of the same people who make fun of "nice guy" types will also applaud the "just be nice" advice and somehow completely miss the hypocrisy.
/r/seduction06/01/21 02:00 PM
9

Nah that's pretty common. I sometimes catch myself doing it when I see a woman I find attractive but haven't spoken to before. It's a bad habit from back when I was more shy. I wouldn't read into it.
/r/seduction12/12/20 03:55 PM
1

I’m actually going to disagree with the post entirely. While it’s good to be comfortable in your own skin, acknowledging a flaw is also going to draw attention to it. Chances are she hasn’t even consciously paid attention to whatever it is. If you bring it up, the odds that it actually becomes something that bothers her go way up.
/r/seduction14/11/20 01:01 PM
40

They would, but just because she isn’t EXTREMELY interested doesn’t mean it’s not worth pursuing.
/r/seduction21/10/20 06:08 PM
225

Yeah it’s one of those things that’s great in theory but just doesn’t work in practice. I used to have the mindset that “if a girl isn’t willing to do x/y/z on her own, she must not be interested and isn’t worth my time.” So it became a self-fulfilling prophecy. Eventually I realized I was jumping the gun and just had to embrace doing more of the dirty work myself. Most women just aren’t accustomed to taking any kind initiative in dating.
/r/seduction21/10/20 04:46 PM
17

It can be either or both. Even if her friend is jealous, you can usually still win her over. Acknowledge and take genuine interest in her as well. She may still feel jealous, but you can still make her feel better about it. Not to mention, the girl you actually are interested in will take note of how you treat someone you don't want anything from.
/r/seduction25/09/20 04:14 PM
0

Oh of course there are guys who are just genuinely nice. But one, their kindness tends to come across as more genuine, and two, women can still mistake genuine kindness for compensation.
/r/seduction23/09/20 12:07 PM
0

Acting overly nice can also be a red flag because it’s often a strategy used by guys who have nothing else going for them, and women learn this quickly. If that’s how you come across, she might assume you’re trying to compensate regardless of whether it’s true.
/r/seduction23/09/20 11:02 AM
2

Just like how people can feel differently about careers & money, they can feel differently about sex. Some people aren't happy with a high salary if they don't enjoy their work, whereas for others the enjoyment comes from making money. It's the same for sex. Some need that passion to enjoy it, whereas for others, the enjoyment comes from the act itself. Sex and feelings are almost completely separate in my mind. It's not a conscious choice, one way or another. It's just the way I am. If I catch …
/r/seduction21/09/20 11:31 PM
29

That’s why I’ve stuck around. It manages to to both avoid both bullshitting people with toxic positivity AND presenting women as obstacles earned through deception. It’s a nice realistic yet decent middle ground.
/r/seduction21/09/20 11:21 AM
4

Mine died overnight. Or during the day. But hey at least I’m not bad at faking it.
/r/seduction27/08/20 12:36 PM
25

Even having never been in this situation, it’s pretty easy to envision having a problem with it. More so than with a promiscuous straight girl. Any time you date someone who’s had a long string of partners with a relevant trait that you don’t share, it’s going to raise some concerns. Clearly there’s a reason she spent so much time dating women, and there’s a very real chance she’d go back to doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 07:44 PM
51

It's like a zoo where you can go in all the enclosures and taunt the animals
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/20 02:32 PM
1

It's the club, I have to yell. I also avoid going on dates in loud places. And idk don't make me explain it. For most women, finding a guy hot isn't enough for them to want to fuck him. Looks just allow you to "woo" her. Your interaction with her has to live up to the hype or else she stops "feeling it."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 04:53 PM
4

By acting like a retard? Not sure what else it would be. I also stopped trying to talk to women at the club because my voice gets really high when I have to yell so there's that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 02:01 PM
9

I used to think like this. Then I got hot and realized all it does is get you in the door most of the time. It doesn't matter how interested she is at first, there's pretty much always room to fuck up the moment you open your mouth. Even still, there's way more to being physically attractive than being handsome. Posture, body language, your voice, and your clothes make a huge difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/20 01:53 PM
11

Men rate women on a bell curve, not themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 07:39 PM
9

If you're trying to avoid simpishness but still want to be kind, don't let her bait you into a compliment. Instead, just imply that it's dumb to worry about things like that and that self-consciousness is more of a turn off than almost any physical feature. Be vague. You don't want her to get the impression that you either agree or disagree with her. Or just don't say anything. A long time ago I made a rule not to compliment women except under three conditions: I've already slept with her, I hav…
/r/seduction12/03/20 11:41 PM
15

Exactly. This isn’t some political movement. Sure, practical ideas are welcome, but it’s more about the exchange of ideas & opinions, and having those assertions challenged or supported.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 12:13 PM
5

I think it's hilarious how people on reddit think TRP, MGTOW, FDS, PIMP etc are actually pervasive in real life. The only woman I know besides my sister who even uses reddit is someone I met THROUGH reddit, and I'm fairly certain neither of them know what any of those things are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/20 04:29 PM
-2

"A girl" is different than "the girl." You're right that dinner, or anything pricy, should not be a first date unless you insist on paying for everything. I'll give you that. But I still refuse to date a woman who doesn't pay for her own stuff, for multiple reasons. It's not about the extra couple bucks. It's about what my expectations are for a relationship. Women have just as many quality opportunities to earn a living as men do. I shouldn't need to pay for companionship, and I should know tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/20 01:08 PM
2

The satisfaction of having sex the moment you want it is unfathomable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/20 10:06 PM
4

There’s a difference between meeting women and chasing women. You still need to meet women, be friendly, get phone numbers, chat with them etc. Women won’t just “appear.” Chasing is actively trying to win them over and putting in more effort than they are.
/r/seduction18/02/20 03:13 PM
3

Idk about this. The girls I've met who have been most interested have trouble with eye contact.
/r/seduction08/02/20 04:26 PM
2

If you think just any simp is going to be attractive enough in his 40's for the PRIVILEGE of buying her nudes, you're sorely mistaken.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/02/20 03:30 PM
36

I figured it out. She says 8's AND 10's, which means she's looking for 9's.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/02/20 03:18 PM
1

mid 20s
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/20 02:06 AM
4

This is pretty well put. It always amazes me to see high male libido thought of as a positive. It's situation-dependent, but I think more men would benefit from a lower sex drive than vice versa. Before I started taking hair pills I had a monstrous libido, and it was more trouble than it was worth. Even if I was seeing someone regularly, the opportunity to have sex was only there for a fraction of the times I wanted it. Aside from that it was just a distraction. Every nice ass, every slutty part…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/20 01:21 PM
17

This is 68 year old housewife who never went to college on Facebook level dumb
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/01/20 07:32 PM
8

Is that a new cold medicine?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/01/20 07:24 PM
37

Once you cheat If I didn't know better I'd say you might have some mild trust issues
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 03:44 PM
71

The woman version of me would be out of my league. I already have a donk and a small waist, and based on genetics lady me would have huge boobs too. Damnit I could've been a bombshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 03:42 PM
5

I'd take it a step beyond sexual attention. To me there are two red flags related to social media: She's addicted to it to the point where she can't sit and talk with someone for half an hour without checking her phone. She lives her life for social media. In college I met a lot of girls who would go to parties and spend more time taking pictures than actually having fun. Everything she does is so people can see how much fun she's having, or how well-rounded she is, or of course how good she loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/20 09:37 PM
1

No. I got into hookup culture before ever having a relationship so sex and bonding are very separate in my mind. If I catch any feelings it happens outside the bedroom.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 10:52 PM
1

No. Part of a healthy relationship is putting in effort to be attractive to your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 03:19 PM
3

Some girls just don't like that type of dude. Don't put the cart before the horse, and remember that these things are trends, not rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/20 01:35 PM
2

Being weak does not discredit someone's point of view. Lots of people are weak. Most men don't have the fortitude (or time and energy) to just go around approaching women with no experience. Now, if someone doesn't make an effort to be social at all and only interacts with people on the internet, then their opinion probably isn't relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 07:59 PM
5

...and your reply right here is exactly WHY all perspectives are important. The most eye opening things to me have gone beyond polite rejection. Your logic is cyclical. You deem their experiences unimportant and don’t make an effort to learn about them, then fabricate through ignorance what you imagine their experiences to be to justify your previously held opinion that what they have to say isn’t important.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 03:51 PM
9

Absolutely. If you’re interested in dating someone, wouldn’t you like to know how they treat those they aren’t attracted to? It’s part of the equation. If you’re evaluating someone’s behavior, it doesn’t make sense to factor in behavior only directed toward those from whom they have something to gain. Now of course I wouldn’t look to them for practical dating advice. But these kinds of discussions are about more than just that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 02:53 PM
20

Except the idea of "total failure" on such a scale is relatively new and an important piece of the modern dating paradigm. There's a difference in perspective that comes from "you win some, you lose some" type failures compared to those whose experiences have been strictly negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 01:56 PM
1

1 and #3 DO matter, but in this case “matter” has a different meaning than it does for men, because of how lopsided the dating market is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 12:19 PM
2

Most guys with a hot sister have gotten enough shit from their friends to know
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/20 12:15 PM
2

lol what on earth are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 02:19 AM
2

Yeah, except Peterson makes A LOT of the same arguments that Molyneux does. The only difference is he's 100 times more intelligent and as I said before, does actually address some of the problematic implications of his conclusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 02:10 AM
1

lol wtf are you going on about
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/20 12:37 AM
3

Ok, I'll add to that. It's not just about keeping company, but legitimizing them as well. Joe Rogan had Molyneux on his show, but I wouldn't say the same things about him. Because he CHALLENGED him and called him out on things he thought were questionable. Which JP did not. One thing I will give Peterson credit for, however, is that unlike SM, he actually does address and downplay the problematic implications of some of his conclusions. He doesn't just blow dog whistles all day long. Which is pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:09 PM
2

I explained it pretty clearly. When you have someone like Molyneux on your show and not only take him seriously, but mostly agree with him, it's pretty fair game for you to be called alt-right. And why would the left make room people who consider themselves alt right? They're the antithesis to social liberalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 06:00 PM
0

You said beauty was subjective, but what I think you meant is that beauty is relative. Beauty is technically subjective, because it can't be measured or quantified. But functionally, people tend to agree on what constitutes beauty way more than they disagree. What you're saying is that beauty is relative, meaning someone's attractiveness means nothing without context: who are they being compared to and what group of people (gender, race, country, age) are making that judgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 05:48 PM
5

That's why I prefaced the statement with "if..." There aren't a lot of intelligent & eloquent people on the alt-right, so opportunities for people like him are abundant if they go down that path. My statement was mostly tongue in cheek. It's a bit ridiculous to deny his ties to the alt right when he does exactly what's necessary to reach and identify with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 05:33 PM
14

I don't hate Peterson, but I think he does two things that majorly undermine his credibility and make me understand why fellow lefties chastise him. He keeps the wrong company. He has a complete smoothbrain in Molyneux on his show and takes him seriously. He goes on Dave Rubin alongside a cavalcade of right wing loons. If he doesn't actually want to be embraced as alt right, then he's either an opportunist or a terrible strategist. He too often thinks his expertise in a particular field entitles…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/20 05:22 PM
28

I envy guys who are legit chubby chasers. Like bro you have the pick of the litter.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/12/19 05:38 PM
3

The fish metaphor is an imperfect parallel, so you're right about that. I prefer the car salesman comparison. If you're a new car salesman, who are you going to go to for advice on selling cars? Someone you know who has bought cars before, or a successful retired car salesman?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/19 12:08 AM
5

The reason men turn to other men for advice about women is that womens' advice for dealing with other women tends to ...not work. I won't delve into why that's the case. When I started college, my friends went from being mostly male to mostly female. I was good looking and confident, but also a little weird and very inexperienced. I thought it was great that I now had so many girls I could ask for pointers. But you know what? While my more experienced guy friends helped me immensely, very little…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 11:40 PM
8

If not for your OP I'd think this was a pretty well done joke
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/19 11:22 PM
22

At the same time, you have to be a bit more proactive because other women will assume that you're either gay or "with" one of them.
/r/seduction13/12/19 11:19 PM
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I think 3 dates is too few, and it should depend on the person’s general attitude toward sex. But the point is that if a woman can wait x amount of time to have sex with you, she isn’t that attracted to you. Which of course can lead to problems down the road even if things do eventually get physical. If a woman is relatively nonchalant about sex, then x might be three dates. If she’s only ever been in LTR’s, I would expect it to be longer than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/19 01:52 PM
2

If that's the criteria, it would probably be my friend's coworker at a party a couple months ago. Everyone talked to everyone that night but she threw in a compliment about my body so I'd say it counts. I'm not going to count what happens at work because even though women here aren't forced to talk to me, I never escalate for my job's sake and assume more often than not they're just being friendly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/19 02:27 PM
15

Lol yup. This is what happens when you have an opinion and work backwards to justify it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/19 01:32 AM
7

Sometimes platonic female friends are okay with it to a degree. Just make sure it doesn’t matter whether or not she’s attracted to you, because she sure as hell won’t be afterwards. Even still, you can’t actually SHOW emotion. You just have to talk about it nonchalantly or you’re yesterday’s news.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 01:30 PM
20

To me this is the same as the "are women funny?" question. It's not that women can't be funny or interesting; they just aren't encouraged or incentivized to be that way like men are. What men tend to appreciate more is a woman who laughs at THEIR jokes and is interested in what they have to say. I would also say that women who ARE interesting are much less likely to be single, and more likely to be unattractive. Attractive women aren't encouraged to be funny or engaging at all, because they're g…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 01:36 PM
3

She a nice lady
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 12:22 PM
2

Cock & ball torture
/r/seduction07/12/19 10:07 AM
47

The problem isn't the social scientists, it's the publications that sensationalize and misrepresent findings for clicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/19 12:22 PM
1

I don't think it's been beneficial for me at all, or at least not yet. I'm 26 and probably look 21 tops, but I'm out of school and don't meet a lot of women who are younger than 23 or 24.
/r/seduction04/12/19 09:42 PM
14

For me this has been a "damned if I do, damned if I don't" type thing. As you say, reacting to a woman's advances with too much enthusiasm can kill her desire for you. But there have also been times where it seems like she gets discouraged if I respond with nonchalance. As in, responding in a way that keeps my intentions ambiguous. Maybe the ideal reaction depends on the individual you're dealing with, or maybe there's a way to encourage her without seeming too eager.
/r/seduction04/12/19 01:14 PM
1

Because most women do not take that test. They don't realize how skewed their idea of "average" is. Ask them for an example of an average looking man, and their answer will likely be a guy who's about a 7/10. Most women acknowledge that they're picky, but frankly they don't realize HOW picky they actually are. Ugly men don't tend to last long on Tinder and Bumble. Even guys who simply are able to go out and socialize regularly skew toward being attractive. Which means women are picky while using…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/19 05:15 PM
27

Yup. But I'll delve in a little more. There's a balance to be struck. I think it's good to be cautious, but not to the point where he's going to question whether you're actually into him. Playing hard to get is a great way to attract guys who either don't have other options or can't take "no" for an answer. Neither makes for an ideal partner. I imagine you're fairly young, but as you get older you'll notice that any worthwhile man will just next you if he thinks you're wishy washy about him or p…
/r/seduction27/11/19 12:37 PM
2

That's not really true because again, being in great shape isn't as important as a number of other things. I'd say I fall into the category of having a noticeable physique, but I'm also poor and not that tall so I don't even bother with the 9's and 10's unless I'm out clubbing or whatever. Most are bad news anyway. I personally don't mind some muscle on a woman, but I know a lot of men don't like it. But that's a false equivalency. The equivalent of "ripped" for women would be the instagram fitn…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 12:09 PM
2

Uhh you wanna go ahead and re-read my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/19 01:10 AM
3

That's what I said. An average physique isn't going to work against him. The issue is that musculature is one of the only physically attractive traits that men can actually improve through effort. It's not that women care all that much about it. I'd trade my progress for 3 inches of height in a heartbeat. It's that for many men, getting in shape is their only hope of generating physical attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/19 11:47 PM
16

It's not difficult for a man to have an acceptable physique. To the point where his body isn't going to scare anyone away if he's appealing otherwise. But to have a body that women actually NOTICE and is genuinely attractive takes a TON of effort. On average, the same amount of work that will make a woman's body look attractive will only make a man's body look acceptable. In order for most of us to achieve a legitimately appealing physique, we have to go way above and beyond.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/19 11:33 PM
40

You forgot to include age. Chances are the ages she's willing to date fall within a range of at most 15 years, which eliminates 75% of the remaining men. Also I know you're going with a conservative estimate, but it's even bleaker when you consider the impact of each condition on the others. A man who is 6'2 with great mental health and wowzers in his trousers is about 100x as likely to either be looking for something casual or in a serious relationship.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/11/19 10:47 PM
3

I can also guarantee she has plenty of dealbreakers for men she dates that are way more trivial than a whole goddamn child.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/11/19 02:06 PM
1

It's not about selectiveness, but a lack of available time and effort. There's a difference. If I could talk to every decent looking, single girl at the bar I would. But that's just not doable. If I'm at chipotle with some friends and my go-to is a chicken burrito with black beans and guac, that doesn't mean I wouldn't eat anything else on the menu. It just means I had to make a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 01:40 PM
6

Perfectly put. I think the reason guys have trouble gauging their actual attractiveness based on experience is that unless we're really far on one end of the spectrum, there aren't really a ton of obvious indicators. Having to approach means we get judged on more than just looks right off the bat. It took me a really long time to figure out what my "level" was. I knew I wasn't pretty enough to be the center of attention or ugly enough to scare people away. Only when I started to approach truly "…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/19 02:28 PM
2

And magnificent rhythm and coordination. Not everyone can be a great dancer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/19 01:47 PM
21

I think he would rather wax off
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/11/19 12:37 PM
45

Exactly. If someone were willing to pay for my shit just because I’m good looking it would be difficult to turn down.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/11/19 12:28 PM
18

Same, for the most part. But when I go back to my hometown of about 100k the matches just pour in. Dating is a wasteland here and makes me want to move. No idea why though.
/r/seduction07/11/19 09:14 PM
3

If you had just leggo like I told you to we wouldn’t have this problem
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 07:49 PM
5

Fragile ego =/= big ego A related but separate complaint
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/19 12:14 AM
3

Pretty spot on. However I do think that confidence and egotism aren't mutually exclusive. Sometimes cockiness is a facade, but sometimes a spade is a spade. Some guys act like they're hot shit because frankly, they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 11:56 PM
4

I would argue that more often than not, "you're not my type" DOES mean "you're not good enough for me." There are certainly exceptions, but I don't think that's a misinterpretation. What separates your standard "nice guy" from others, is that most men either don't expect to be "good enough," don't resort to anger as their default negative emotion, or have developed thicker skin through experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 10:20 PM
3

I would argue it's the opposite for women. I almost never meet humble women pretending to be pompous. I do, however, see the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 10:13 PM
6

I agree with half of this. I don't think it has much to do with looks, but rather their experience is skewed toward men who actually have the balls to approach them. Ugly or handsome.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 10:05 PM
2

Just for clarification, why do women feel this "dancing" is necessary? Is it because he'll become angry? Is he simply stubborn? Will he hold it against you personally if you disagree? Does it impact his self-esteem?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 10:03 PM
5

bro it means like how men are seemingly physically violated at even a slight suggestion that their concerns are not the center of someone else's reality. Can you give an example? I may be reading it wrong, but that sounds more like entitlement than ego.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 09:57 PM
2

Except "be confident" comes from both men and women. And by golly even faking confidence works way better than being timid. It's one of the few pieces of advice women give men that is actually helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 09:55 PM
7

To me, ego is only part of the equation for someone who does that. That’s usually what happens when you put together ego, lack of experience, and overall anger issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/19 08:01 PM
1

As someone who may be considered “talented,” it’s hasn’t gotten me far at all. Maybe a little bit when a girl has a similar talent. It’s fun to show off, but I’m not sure I’ve ever actually won over a woman that way. Nowadays women really only care about talent if you’re objectively successful at what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 11:44 PM
9

“He isn’t double texting me after he tried to kiss me and I told him I had to leave. Does he not like me?? What should I do?? I feel like I’m all out of options!”
/r/seduction04/11/19 07:42 PM
9

Exactly. Don’t show emotion around people whose respect for you is valuable. Sucks but that’s how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/19 07:20 PM
3

The problem with your point is that feminism isn't a concrete enough concept to be compared apples to apples with something like Lenin. The tenants of feminism change greatly over time and mean different things to different people. A good example would be equity vs. equality. Some feminists believe that equity is part of the philosophy, which would be somewhat communist in nature, while others simply want an equal opportunity. There is no "feminist doctrine" that supports one idea over the other…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/11/19 06:16 PM
4

Calling feminism communism is stupid, but you're right that conservative and liberal women alike will frequently choose whatever ideals benefit them in the moment. Unlike men, women have a choice. The least they can do is be consistent. If you insist on being supported and paid for, do all the traditional wife work and call none of the shots. If you want to be treated as an equal, you need to be a self-sufficient human being.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/11/19 06:01 PM
2

This is it. If I’m just trying to get laid I’m not going to expect daddy’s little goody two shoes to want to hookup. It’s not that I’m not interested; I just don’t want to waste my time. On the other hand, I do not date bitches. Kindness is my #1 priority in a partner. I also think OP is making the mistake of confusing niceness and passiveness for kindness. I’ve met plenty of women who are non-confrontational and act nice, but only do so because that’s what they’re taught to do. In my experience…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/19 11:52 AM
9

Respecting your worth is great when it comes to interpersonal ordeals. But if you apply the same logic to finances and think "I'm worth being paid for," you become a product. A commodity. An object, if you will. Calling that "feminist" is a joke. I don't care how much your makeup costs. (Hypothetical you, not literally you)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 12:45 PM
21

They play both sides so they always come ahead. Make women feel empowered by embracing feminist ideals, but also keep them insecure enough in their relationships to feel like they still need answers.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/19 12:38 PM
16

The same reason why women love complaining about their boyfriends but don't just break up with them.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/10/19 08:48 PM
1

Values in order of importance: Kindness, kindness, kindness. Someone who's good-hearted and self-aware enough to know right from wrong without trying to justify their bullshit. Independence. Don't be clingy, make your own money, and have your own life. We are two individuals in a relationship, not a singular entity. Looks. Ideally a 7 or 8 but I'd settle for as low as a 5 if everything else is on point. 9's and 10's rarely have good personalities, and if they do they're probably out of my league…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/19 12:20 PM
22

Exactly. Women may have high standards they feel they need to live up to in the media, but men have to live up to high standards in real life
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 12:52 PM
23

Young women nowadays are always compared to facetuned surgically enhanced women which gives a unrealistic standards By whom? Sounds like you spend too much time on the internet. Men have eyes. We know what women look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/19 12:08 PM
1

Insecurity aside, there is the legitimate worry that a woman who's experienced something you don't have is more likely to grow dissatisfied. Harder for her to miss something she's never had before. At the same time, women who enter LTR's as virgins tend to wonder what they've missed out on. Which is why something in between the two extremes is usually best.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/19 05:46 PM
7

Not going to happen. The gender that wins is the gender that cares least, and that's never going to be men. But I think men need to treat attention and affection the way women treat sex. PDT's (public displays of thirst) should be shamed. Being someone's emotional tampon should be shamed. Women use sex and relationships not just for physical satisfaction, but for validation and emotional support as well. She's going to start off looking for the whole package; the ideal partner provides all of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/19 04:29 PM
0

Ah yes returned to their homes in Iraq
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/10/19 12:15 PM
2

Yeah wasn't really talking about this sub. People here are obviously much less reactive and dismissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 09:12 PM
61

You’re not wrong, but I think it’s funny that this is just basically the “nice guy” mentality that Reddit disdains. Reverse the genders and you’d get mocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/19 12:05 PM
11

I think it’s both. She knows it’s delusional but is also so unwilling to compromise that she’s sticking to it anyway.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/10/19 11:24 AM
18

Eh, just because someone is fat doesn’t mean they’re an asshole. More realistically it signals a lack of accountability, will-power, and self-awareness, which are all imperative to a relationship.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/10/19 11:22 AM
11

It’s pretty astounding. I see girls talk about dieting and losing weight in one insta story, then not a day later I see some calorie monster of a meal in another.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/10/19 11:19 AM
8

Attractive OR tall. There are a lot of tall, skinny, ugly, boring dudes who get attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/19 05:30 PM
1

Yeah I'm a talker so that's definitely part of the issue. Especially when drunk, which of course happens to be when I'm most comfortable approaching women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/19 03:58 PM
1

The greatest of catfishers don't need tinder
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/19 03:02 PM
6

Except they're both wrong. Looks have more of an impact than people acknowledge but game is still huge. Take it from a good looking dude whose game isn't as on point. I can take a girl from sex eyes to rolled eyes in a matter of seconds.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/19 01:44 PM
3

This is MILD female entitlement. Standard female entitlement isn't "why do no guys pursue me?" but rather, "why do no guys who meet my delusional standards pursue me?"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/19 01:39 PM
1

Yeah I'm going to go ahead and dispute that. Men are wired to prefer NOVELTY. Someone a man hasn't slept with is always going to be more intriguing than someone he has. Why do you see men cheat on beautiful partners with women who couldn't hold a candle to them? Why do you think so many rich and famous men go around sleeping with a bunch of women instead of one, or even a few? It certainly isn't convenience. Talking to multiple women at once is exhausting. You also run the risk of unwanted pregn…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/19 04:24 PM
2

It feels like you’re fucking the Michelin man
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/19 03:40 AM
13

I'm 5'10 and while I wouldn't say I'm "struggling," I was literally just rejected because of height last week and it's not the first time it's happened recently. I can guarantee you I'm not unattractive or nice. I save my kindness for the girls who are relationship material.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/19 12:15 PM
8

I don’t usually hit on women at the store because I’m also trying to get food and get out, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with trying to start a conversation. Just don’t bother her if she clearly isn’t trying to engage with you.
/r/seduction10/10/19 05:12 PM
6

Misery is comforting. No, that’s not a bastardized version of “misery loves company.” It’s very easy to get used to never leaving your comfort zone. It’s a vicious cycle.
/r/seduction10/10/19 05:10 PM
9

I don't think OP is talking about babies that are born when the parents are still together
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 05:08 PM
3

"Standards" and "compatibility" are completely separate concepts when it comes to dating. Standards are about who you're willing to go on a date with. Compatibility is about who you CONTINUE to date. Guys on here who complain about women's standards (I do, that's me) never bring up compatibility in that sense, which makes me doubt whether you want an actual answer here. The issue is never "she's delusional if she thinks she'll find someone that compatible on a personal level." It's "she's delusi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/19 03:15 PM
6

Exactly. Not to mention, no one on a dating app has time to read a novel. You put down a couple sentences or bullet points you think help define and sell yourself. Writing about something you don't care about is a waste of words.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 03:50 PM
1

You and your friends don't care about height. Stop projecting your own reality onto the world and go meet people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 03:48 PM
7

Yeah, no. I went clubbing when I had a gf. With other friends. No one dragged me there. I wasn’t trying to do anything behind her back. Sometimes it’s fun to get drunk and dance and act stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/19 02:55 PM
5

What you said, but they also either need to have zero social life or way too high of standards
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/19 02:12 AM
1

Makes sense, because one of my issues is talking too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 04:27 PM
-1

Easiest to sleep with? Asian girls. Not necessarily my type now but college me would have a field day. Ideal type? Short, Jewish, big boobs, slightly thick, curly hair. Am I their ideal type? Sure unless they're obsessed with height. Keeping it up? No problem keeping it up unless I'm doing round 2 with a condom. Buxx? No Spending? I don't pay for dates. Probably limits my options but most girls I meet are fine paying for themselves or just coming over.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/19 03:23 PM
2

I think #5 is fine too. I know I've done it and have had a non-zero success rate. It's not lying and it doesn't come across as desperate or trying too hard under most circumstances. Of course it also depends on where the last conversation left off. Definitely 100% don't do #3. It's one thing to try to start a conversation. It's another to lie because you're clearly trying to get her attention. Way too transparent.
/r/seduction27/09/19 12:53 PM
8

Perfectly stated
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/19 08:04 PM
10

Live in a big city Don't cheat or lie about your intentions Don't stick your dick in crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 12:31 PM
7

It takes time and effort to win a woman over. Unless you're content going for low-hanging fruit, talking to multiple women at once is exhausting and takes away from other pursuits. Especially if you don't have a naturally charismatic personality and need to think some. The guys who can pull both off are either naturally very appealing, or spend lots of money on women who put up with being ignored for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/19 12:28 PM
1

Yeah, no. That's standard anti-bullying sentiment. Body acceptance preaches that it isn't even okay to tell someone that they're overweight. Or to encourage them to lose weight, even if you're trying to help them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/19 02:45 PM
3

I will say one thing though -- often what girls say they want and what they actually go for is pretty different. Especially when what they're talking about is related to social status and acceptance, which height definitely is. True, but more often than not with something like height it's less "go for" and more "settle for." There are only so many 6'3 guys out there.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/09/19 05:15 PM
11

Not specifically "talking shit about guys under 6 foot," though I have heard that too. Talking about height requirements and obsessing over height in general. Constantly. I live in the US and this has held true for the two different parts of the country that I've lived in.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/09/19 04:37 PM
10

Not my experience at all. I hear about it IRL constantly. Which is saying something because I'm not 6' and you think they'd keep it on the DL while I'm around. I like to think it's because I'm disarming and give off a DGAF vibe rather than just being someone they feel they can disrespect. But who knows. Doesn't mean they all demand an NBA power forward, but they talk about that shit constantly. I've found it's actually even more common among more educated circles.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/09/19 04:16 PM
13

That's way over-generalized and bordering on straight up false
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 03:41 PM
14

This is like asking if all men have a vested interest in turning women against other men since men compete with each other. Are there men who try and sour things for specific women so he thinks he can get a shot? Sure. Is it most men who do this? No. I think you're misinterpreting some things. When OP says "women over 35," he/she doesn't mean every single woman over 35. My mom is well over 35, married, and doesn't give a rat's ass about younger women's opinions of men. OP is referring specifical…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/19 11:17 AM
8

Most guys do care. Some care enough to ask, and some would just rather not know. I wouldn’t sweat it though. 99% of men won’t even flinch at a body count of less than 10.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/09/19 04:41 PM
35

Pretty sure everyone is a sweetheart when they want to be. It's not that difficult to be nice if you- wait for it- feel like being nice.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/09/19 12:06 PM
14

I mean you can pursue women without being a simp. Just don't put up with bullshit.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/09/19 12:16 PM
15

THANK YOU. Women who know me IRL would never think dating was an issue because I've learned not to admit it. Even if I'm not romantically interested in someone, women have friends and "he's been struggling" is not the most attractive description. I don't lie, but I'll talk about the positives and not mention the negatives. Women truly have no idea how bad dating is right now for guys because men are rarely willing to admit it in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 01:13 PM
3

It’s not about the past, it’s about what might happen in the future. I’m not going to date someone who feels like they’re settling because they’re way more likely to meet someone they like more and jump ship. I wouldn’t say it “ends well” in that case.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 03:28 PM
2

No, but frequently enough to make someone think twice
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 01:44 AM
3

It is, which is why most guys don't approach every woman they're attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 01:43 AM
44

Yeah, it's pretty rare that I side with the woman's perspective on these things, but I get this 100%. Rejecting someone straight up is difficult, unpleasant, and causes some blowback from time to time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/19 07:49 PM
1

In short, it can happen both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/19 06:42 AM
4

That's because you view men as less attractive on average than you view women, like most people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 03:59 PM
42

Sometimes it can be difficult to see a post like this objectively when you only get one side of the story. This is not one of those times.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/07/19 11:05 AM
9

Mindset... Oh yeah and freakish athleticism. I get what you're trying to say, but being naturally unconventional does not mean being naturally bad at something. Doug Flutie played quarterback at 5'8. He could also toss a pigskin 80 yards and would have been an all time great if he were 6'3. Speaking of sports, there's a saying that says, "you can't let a team beat you twice." Which means you can't let the disappointment of one loss carry over to your next game. A proper mindset isn't about prete…
/r/seduction26/07/19 08:23 PM
10

“You won’t die” is not a good enough reason to lecture someone about why something isn’t important.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 11:40 AM
9

I bet you’ll also tell some poor kid in the hood who’s never left his metro area that traveling isn’t the be all end all of life
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 11:11 AM
29

I was with you until that end part. Humans are social creatures. Not everyone can “love themself” if they’re isolated and dejected. It’s feel good nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 11:07 AM
1

Lol you ever see women use dating apps? They’re not swiping right for communication skills
/r/seduction21/07/19 09:52 PM
68

Sexual harassment =/= pickup
/r/seduction21/07/19 07:38 PM
1

Exactly. Saying one is better than the other is pointless. Everyone is different and has different needs. Personally, sex and emotions are very detached in my mind, and I'm perfectly comfortable being by myself most of the time. Someone would really need to be terrific to be worth a relationship. But I understand that not everyone is like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 11:33 PM
3

I think you’re missing the point. Her attitude toward other things is irrelevant. People who disagree with the OP are saying it’s hypocritical to desire something in a partner that you yourself don’t have. But common sentiment is that it’s not hypocritical for a short woman to desire a tall man, or a financially unstable woman to desire a financially stable man. Yet it’s somehow hypocritical for a man who’s slept around to prefer a woman who hasn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 12:18 PM
2

So is it hypocritical if a short woman prefers a tall man?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 09:54 AM
14

Even a rickety ship can sail smoothly in calm waters. Shit tests are her way of seeing how confident and secure you actually are. Every guy knows that confidence attracts women. Some girls can't distinguish between the real deal and someone who's faking it so they shit test to rock the boat. That said, if a girl starts negging me she disqualifies herself as girlfriend material in my eyes immediately. Even if I "pass the tests." Relationships are real life and I don't want someone keen on playing…
/r/seduction17/07/19 07:43 PM
4

Lol men do not hate it. I don’t know you but you sound like a militant feminist who isn’t actually friends with any straight men. Guys do not care about the power and dominance that comes with initiating. Most guys just want to meet nice cute girls however they can.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 01:32 PM
2

Lol literally read the first sentence of my first point
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 09:47 PM
2

Oh I don't do it either, but that's the intent for someone who does
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 09:37 PM
14

Yeah, not a bad addition. I've had girls approach and then get discouraged when I don't show overwhelming enthusiasm, even though I was definitely interested. Women are so used to being subtle that they tend to read guys as if they're women and see things that aren't there. Kinda reminded me of the paranoia I had when I first started talking to girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 08:47 PM
8

Eh, college is different. I'm 25 so I don't even consider that dynamic anymore. In college you can get pussy/dick 7 days a week and twice on Saturday if you know what you're doing. You meet people constantly. In the real world, people are busy working and not constantly surrounded by thousands of peers exactly their age. You simply don't meet people as often, especially if you're not in a big city. It's not nearly as desperate for a girl to approach once this is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 07:51 PM
35

That might be my worst habit. I'm not really even shy anymore and I still do this.
/r/seduction15/07/19 05:10 PM
31

This. When a woman accepts a drink that a man buys for her, the expectation isn’t that she’s supposed to sleep with him. It’s that she, in return, is supposed to give him her time, attention, and legitimate consideration for romantic purposes. Men criticize women who accept drinks with no intention of providing these three things in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 04:27 PM
14

Can you elaborate? Maybe an example? I pretty much get what you’re saying but I’d like to attach it to something a bit more concrete.
/r/seduction15/07/19 04:19 PM
8

Yeah I have to agree. If a guy is busy with something else it’ll be pretty obvious. But most single dudes will scope out a place for women when they settle in.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 04:14 PM
22

I thought about including that, but it doesn’t really change anything. Even good looking dudes don’t mind getting approached— they just don’t feel the need to take it further as often.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 04:12 PM
9

Makes sense. The point of the post isn't necessarily to convince women to do so more, but just to explain why there's such a staunch difference in experiences. The best move is probably to show interest without actually going as far as to ask the guy out. Even if you make it obvious, once he actually makes the move things even out again with regard to investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 02:30 PM
2

Talk more about your bonner
/r/seduction15/07/19 01:26 PM
1

I'm too pragmatic for that reasoning
/r/seduction11/07/19 04:40 PM
2

It's almost as though I'm referencing my own personal perspective
/r/seduction10/07/19 02:32 PM
20

You're not obligated to do anything. Just don't be a dick because you never know if she might change her mind.
/r/seduction10/07/19 02:30 PM
3

I literally can't even fathom this.
/r/seduction10/07/19 12:47 PM
10

Pretty frequently. I would say I've experienced both the best and worst of women. One might call some of my opinions misogynistic, but at the same time most of my good friends (and lovers) tend to be feminist women. I'm also a bit metro and VERY disarming, so I get to hear a lot of the things women usually talk about when guys aren't around. I think women tend to overestimate how much their female social circle represents women as a whole. Some girls I know can't fathom the amount of shitty thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/19 05:46 PM
3

I don't even send one if asked to for that reason
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/19 03:03 PM
20

The issue is that in general, guys who you'd actively hit on tend to be more desired by other women too. It's not the approach that turns him off; it's the fact that he likely has options. More options than most guys who would need to make the first move themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 02:36 PM
14

This would be all fine and great if approaching women weren't something that needs to be practiced. Most guys do not enter the world of dating with enough innate know-how to do everything the correct way. It takes trial and error to find out what works-- what's too passive and what's too aggressive, which signs are encouraging and which mean "leave me alone." Along the way you're going to step on some toes. Even guys who generally know what they're doing mess it up from time to time too. Because…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 02:31 PM
6

Best answer
/r/seduction01/07/19 03:28 PM
35

Amazing that people whine about this shit then go “wah wah toxic masculinity.” Can’t have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 01:12 AM
2

It's almost certainly bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/19 02:20 PM
1

NBA shooting guard
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 09:40 PM
24

Perfectly stated. It's what they want from a guy they're already into. But I think there are two more pieces: What a woman says she wants is often what's going to give her the least trouble as opposed to what's going to have the most success. She'll tell you what she WANTS to want as opposed to what she actually does.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 09:03 PM
20

Oh boo fucking hoo
/r/seduction17/06/19 10:24 PM
3

To me, the only time it feels right is if she’s really dolled up. Either that or if you KNOW she’s into you and you want her to know you’re interested without a doubt in her mind. My philosophy is that more often than not, complimenting her looks will make her feel better about herself— not necessarily better about you. But if she’s clearly put more than she usually does into her appearance, your compliment is more about her efforts than her general appearance. If she already clearly likes you, …
/r/seduction13/06/19 10:32 PM
52

*Refers to herself as a princess* "I promise I'm very down to earth"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/06/19 05:00 PM
2

There's no "all women are the same." The point being made is based on the fact that ENOUGH women act a certain way for it to be a major trend and cause major problems. I've known and dated some girls who are great. Humble, intelligent, thoughtful, independent, and plenty of common sense. Obviously I'm not talking about those girls. Most of them are in fulfilling relationships anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 04:57 PM
1

"Do you think it was easier to get sex in the 60s or 70s?" That was your question. My answer is yes, and the statistics support that. People do, on average, have more sexual partners. I'll give you that. But as I said, that doesn't mean that people are having more sex and it certainly doesn't mean that it's easier to get laid. At least for men. It may be easier for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 04:52 PM
1

More sexual partners on average does not mean more sex on average, and it especially doesn’t mean more people having sex regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 03:42 PM
0

Ah yes personal insults, the hallmark of a winning argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 01:07 PM
1

Look at the fucking statistics and stop bullshitting
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 01:05 PM
3

Maybe actually take time to think about it. The point is that women who get matches are more representative of women as a whole than men who get matches represent men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 01:04 PM
3

...which is why I use the word "appeal" and not "looks" specifically. What someone "brings to the table" so to speak, is a combination of both looks and a bunch of other factors. Sense of humor, charisma, financial status, friend groups, talents, bedroom skills, the ability to hold an interesting conversations etc etc. Which is why when you see a "mismatched" couple looks wise, chances are the less attractive partner brings some other significant traits to the table. If not, the relationship is …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/19 01:26 AM
1

Oh you live in a third world country? Just work 24 hours a day! Stop complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 10:59 PM
2

Please be a troll. Please for the love of god be a troll. If not and you just like making shit up for fun, I'd implore you to look at increasing male sexlessness rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 10:54 PM
8

Significantly more women get matches than do men. It's not rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 10:51 PM
14

Yikes. I almost don't even want to reply because I know it'll just go through one ear and out the other, but here goes. So first up, not once did I mention looks as my measuring stick. But nice projection. Secondly, there's a difference between wanting someone equal in appeal and refusing to consider any guy who isn't -let's face it- out of your league. Because I'm not so incredibly self-righteous and delusional to think that going after solely women who are MORE appealing than I am is going to …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 10:50 PM
27

This whole comment is based entirely upon a falsehood, which is that the men you match with on apps are an accurate representation of men as a whole. If you actually make an effort to match with guys who are realistic relationship partners for you -not just the ones who are most attractive- it's not that hard to find guys willing to seriously date. When I explain this to women I get two reactions: either it's like I'm speaking Chinese or like I just solved the Riemann Hypothesis. The girls I get…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 05:31 PM
7

I don’t have the time, energy, or resources to meet tons of women. It’s fucking exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 02:10 PM
8

I mean I do okay on bumble/tinder but not well enough to just next every girl who can’t keep up. And most guys have it even worse than I do in that regard. It’s easier when you’re actually out and about but it’s still annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 01:50 PM
126

Here’s major difference between flirting now and flirting in the past, and why men don’t enjoy it. Women nowadays have so many options at their literal fingertips that You literally have to “entertain” her just to keep her attention for more than 5 minutes and A number of women feel no obligation to put effort in themselves beyond shit testing. Back and forth flirting is fun. But with most women it’s a one sided clown show where it’s your job to keep her entertained long enough to make an impres…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/19 01:18 PM
67

So let's go through the list and translate. She's -Fat -An attention whore -Shallow -Basic -A liar -CARTOONISHLY basic -A gold digger -Will smoke all your weed and contribute nothing
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/06/19 09:59 PM
0

Yes, more often than not. But you'd be surprised.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 10:27 PM
-1

You'd think so, and I thought so too, but surprisingly that's not always true. There have been girls I assumed weren't interested because of a seemingly dead convo, but then found out that wasn't the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 10:21 PM
0

No, of course not. What bothers me is when a woman is talking to so many guys at a time that it's impossible to make any sort of connection. Either try to get to know me or don't, but don't waste my time with a one-sided text conversation and then wonder why I stop giving you the time of day.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/19 10:06 PM
7

Yeah, this is not a typical flake situation at all and is really very unhelpful OP has been seeing her for a while. She has a perfectly good excuse if she's actually throwing up. His strategy only worked because she asked him what he's doing, and she isn't going to ask that if she's legitimately flaking on him. Telling her you're going out anyway if she doesn't ask is way too transparent.
/r/seduction30/05/19 12:31 PM
2

...seriously? This comment is a joke right?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/19 12:25 PM
1

I'm not a TRPer but I can recognize that it's a significant minority in the real world. It's a counter-movement, and counter-movements have very little tolerance for neutrality given how prominent views that oppose theirs are. What I will disagree on is that it portrays men as "pure." It's mostly about measuring women's reactions to men, meaning it doesn't really make any bold statements about men one way or the other. Men are the X axis; they're generalized, but as a spectrum and not a monolith…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 09:22 PM
6

I think this is spot on and applies to both genders. Most people who are considered "kind" or "good" aren't that way because they have a pure heart and flawless natural tendencies. They're just able to recognize and suppress traits that they'd rather not have present in their personality. AWALT doesn't mean every woman does things like monkey branch, use men for money, and go for the handsome asshole. It just means that these types of natural urges are present. Not all women have all of them, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 06:32 PM
1

How old are you, and how old are the people you hang out with?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/19 01:52 AM
1

Ok so then what if they literally tell you
/r/seduction27/05/19 01:58 AM
-1

Find someone else
/r/seduction26/05/19 10:59 PM
1

Very resourceful. I assume you’re pretty good looking?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 01:04 PM
1

Issues as a young kid aren’t nearly as detrimental as they are at high school or college age. Kids can grow out of all sorts of shit because they learn quickly and their habits aren’t fully formed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 12:51 PM
5

Confidence can eventually build up, but it takes a lot of time and usually never catches up. Having depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, aspergers, or anything that either scares you off from dating/being social, or scares other people off, can set you back immensely. Even if the problem is fixed, you’ve still missed out on a ton of experience. Lack of experience leads to more rejection, which of course will stifle confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/19 12:15 PM
1

Ok, how about this: I don't want the book I'm reading to advertise my intentions.
/r/seduction22/05/19 11:51 AM
18

Literally my former roommate. He was a walking blackpill. Dude was the epitome of tall, dark, and handsome but was one of the most awkward people I've ever met. He was passive as hell, couldn't read social cues, would stand there talking about dumb shit for ages, and couldn't handle any real confrontation or social discomfort. Of course last time I ran into him was with his hot ass new girlfriend who actually has social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/19 10:24 PM
2

An in-shape, clean, well-dressed, socially apt guy who plays Magic the Gathering is much better off than a guy who looks and acts like he plays magic the gathering but has more traditional male hobbies. Don't abandon your dorky hobbies, but rather work on becoming well-rounded outside of them.
/r/seduction20/05/19 10:17 PM
2

I just made it up. It's exactly as I explained it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/19 09:23 PM
35

I've met quite a few dudes who suffer from dime syndrome. Good looking dudes who act weird as fuck but no one seems to mind because they look so good doing it. What I've found is as long as they aren't complete shut-ins, they do pretty damn well. They don't need to be socially apt; they just need to be socially active. Active enough to actually meet people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/19 08:23 PM
27

This is really what it comes down to. Everyone is shallow, but women are actually given the opportunity to choose far more often.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/19 08:17 PM
10

Lol no one is going to downvote you. People here are a little more understanding of male struggles in dating than most of reddit. Both you and OP have points. The best attitude toward flakiness or mixed signals IS "ok, next," but it's not very satisfying when you have to go that route constantly. I've been trying to figure this out myself, but there's really no right answer. If you stop trying, she's going to forget about you. If you don't make a big deal about it, she now feels like it's okay t…
/r/seduction14/05/19 01:39 PM
1

The answer is that some dudes are down for that sort of thing and some aren't. It's fun in the moment, but if a guy wants kids and a traditional family that could make things a bit messy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 01:42 AM
1

It's almost as though it takes practice to get good at something
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 09:33 PM
6

I think it's less about the fear of getting #metoo'd and more about the changing status quo when it comes to approaching women in public. It's been bashed into our heads that coming up to a woman uninvited is bothersome unless it's at a bar designated social event. While men still do chat up women unabated, very few receive enough of a positive reaction to counteract this message.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 09:15 PM
1

Not the good kind of intimidating
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 03:56 PM
3

I actually disagree with everything you just said. Going to the gym helps the most if you're already decent looking and have a good frame. Working out won't make women attracted to an ugly guy. It'll just make her afraid of him. Being fit does help in general, but it's way down on the list of things that make you attractive to women. The reason it's so commonly advised to men is that it's one of the few things on that list that can be changed with reasonable effort. The biggest benefit of workin…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 02:16 PM
2

It's not just about looks. It's holding anything that isn't a personal connection in higher regard. Liking someone for their money is shallow, or for their race as well. Personally, what bothers me isn't people being shallow. It's not owning up to it. A woman will have a laundry list of asinine requirements, none of which have to do with personality, and yet when you observe it for what it is she'll get defensive. Even the shallowest of women hate being called shallow. Men usually embrace it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 01:07 PM
2

Lol no. Just as, if not more shitty. Liberal women who are shitty try to bend the rules to fit their desires. Conservative women just break the rules in private.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 01:00 PM
8

It's not about not committing, it's about not committing to her. Most women cannot score an exceptionally attractive man; that's just math. There aren't remotely close to enough. So many women I meet have this notion that good looking guys are this bountiful resource and they can passively find one to be with long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 02:09 AM
4

It's less about conflicts and more about boredom. Many relationships are full of conflict but still sexually healthy. Men like things that are new and women like things that are exciting. When you spend too much time together, the relationship is neither exciting nor new.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 12:35 AM
5

I'll show you my ex after a couple tequila shots and you tell me women don't need sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 12:32 AM
1

PWF?
/r/seduction12/05/19 11:11 PM
10

If I had friends who actually took pictures of me my profile would be on point
/r/seduction12/05/19 10:04 PM
5

People always get more satisfaction out of blaming enablers. Scumbags are scumbags, and they will always exist. Complaining about scumbags being scumbags is one of the least therapeutic things ever. Scumbags will never change unless you flip the carrot and the stick and convince them that they benefit from doing the right thing. Which is why the enablers are so much easier to rant about. They're the ones holding the carrot and the stick, and it's so much easier to put yourself in the mind of an …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/19 07:03 PM
5

I used to think like this. But unless you're a natural, and even if you're a natural, it helps to have things spelled out. Experience is number one but it's not number only.
/r/seduction09/05/19 05:08 PM
0

So you're perfect then? Working on oneself is the only thing you CAN do to increase your odds. Just because you're at a disadvantage doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't try to improve. I'm not 6 feet and that works against me in a major way, but I do what I can to better my chances by working on things I CAN control.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:49 PM
3

The men who command high standards without qualifying are usually loser virgins who have zero experience in the dating game. Us guys who have dating experience (and aren't completely delusional) know what we're capable of. After a certain number of rejections it's impossible not to learn. Sure, I'll go after someone who may be out of my league every so often, but I won't complain that I can't find a date if she isn't interested. So yes, women are absolutely free to be alone if they aren't intere…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:41 PM
20

I don't think women are necessarily "playing the victim." I do think it's actually legitimately difficult for them. Not because it has to be, but because they're terrible at it. They try to date up and wonder why none of those guys want to commit to them. They eliminate perfectly good potential partners for the most asinine reasons after meeting them once, then stick it out with some guy who has a whole host of red flags because of a "gut feeling," or just circumstance. It's amazing how many don…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:36 PM
2

Settling for someone worse than yourself =/= settling for someone similar in appeal to yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:29 PM
4

An average looking white girl still has a ton of options. I do agree that being a black woman makes it a lot harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:29 PM
3

There's a difference between "bad" and "good but realistic." No one is telling women to settle for some fat schmuck who has nothing going for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 01:27 PM
1

I'm pretty religious about it, only because my aesthetic is WAY better when I put in effort. I cut my own hair once every 1-2 weeks and shave almost every day. I pick out clothing specifically to match my body shape and eye color. Every outfit is color coordinated and in style. I don't iron my clothes but I'm good about folding/hanging them so there's no need. I also have a skincare routine (tanning, lotion, face wash, topical items, vitamin E,) an even more elaborate hair loss/care routine, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/19 12:41 AM
18

Honestly chunky sounds worse than fat. Puts some unpleasant imagery in my head.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/05/19 09:09 PM
4

It's an Eminem lyric. People always want something more when it's out of reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 01:08 AM
6

"You want what you can't have. Ooh bitch that's too damn bad."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/19 12:58 AM
1

Being pathetic also includes him being over-emotional. Not necessarily. One can calmly and emotionlessly deliver an argument that makes him out to be a desperate white knight simp. You see it all over reddit. What was the guy upset about? Unless you're around awful people, no one's gonna be laughing at the guy crying at a funeral. There is no specific scenario or guy. This is my experience with women personally and also third person experiences from other guys. I will say, not all women respond …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 12:35 PM
2

That's literally what I'm saying. Calling certain men assholes is not thinking that "men can do no wrong." They would just rather blame women for enabling the assholes because it's easier to shit on those who propagate the behavior rather than those who exhibit it. That doesn't mean they believe the men are cleared of any wrongdoing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 12:25 PM
2

Not sure what OP’s gender is, but guys who think like this have not spent any real time with women around other women. I might be a dude, but I know how to disarm people. I know how women act when they aren’t putting on a front for guys. What’s even more surprising is that I usually avoid those i consider awful people, so this comes from girls on the “better” end of the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 11:39 AM
3

That's... not true at all. They usually dismiss them as assholes and blame women for dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 09:47 AM
2

My standards are not that high, especially considering that I know exactly what I’m capable of. The soy boy meme has nothing to do with showing emotion. It’s mostly political and refers more to white knights and pathetic men who don’t stand up for themselves. That’s just semantics. Any negative emotion beyond a single glistening tear will turn women off like a light switch. Been there, done that. And no, it wasn’t being “whiny.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/19 09:07 AM
5

As I said, I admitted it freely the first time. I was asked my number the second time around and lied about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/19 10:00 PM
18

At least, OP means women generally don't shame men because of dick sizes. Not that they don't care. Lol for real? Small penis jokes are women's go-to for men. Stop. This means when you were a virgin, you'd been asked about it a few times and got rejected for it several times in a row? Why does this sound so weird? Happened once, I admitted it freely, and I was smart enough not to do it again. This could be considered anecdotal if I were the only one to experience this, but unfortunately I'm far …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/19 09:50 PM
37

So many people (both men and women) grow older under this guise that women can do no wrong. Any instances that may demonstrate the contrary, they either ignore or justify. So when reflecting on these accusations of women that they've only just been exposed to, every related instance they can recall reassures them of their position.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/19 09:42 PM
1

friends?
/r/seduction05/05/19 07:27 PM
90

Penis size: most women don't care about penis size and most don't want big penises because they hurt. It's men and their porn obsession that makes them insecure. Women absolutely do. Just because not all women want 10 inches doesn't mean they don't care. Virginity: most women don't care if a guy is a virgin, some even like it. It's men who shame other men about their sexual history and partner count. This is laughable. I agree that men do shame other men for it more than women, but the amount of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/19 06:47 PM
24

This is unironically inspiring
/r/seduction05/05/19 02:02 AM
0

The dance/club scene didn't really emerge here until later
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 11:46 PM
1

I live in the states, so the timeline is a bit different
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/19 04:14 PM
5

If I'm correct, the "10 year timetable" that you refer to is more about sexlessness among men. Which I think can be primarily contributed to dating apps among other factors. I'm talking exclusively about women's ability to be receptive to an approach. I wasn't hitting on girls 20 or even 10 years ago so I have no idea what they were like back then. But what I've written simply comes from my observations, as well as the fact that club culture really exploded about 12-15 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 03:28 PM
11

Women still get approached pretty frequently; it's just a lesser percentage of men doing it more often. I don't think it's necessarily inexperience that affects how they handle it. I think it comes down to two things: Women's lives have become increasingly busy, and about more than just finding a husband and raising kids. Their minds are more frequently on other things, and so they don't feel "ready" to be approached as often, which can lead to a less enthusiastic response. Guys experience this …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 12:44 PM
1

While I don’t believe that men are unaffected by it, the idea stems from the nature of casual sex. Women are able to sleep with more sexually attractive men through casual means than they can through a relationship. Also, women who have more casual sex tend to feel less impact of a personal connection on their level of sexual attraction. Otherwise they’d find little satisfaction in sleeping around. Men, on the other hand, can usually score a more attractive women through commitment than they can…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 10:05 PM
2

I’d date a 5 if she’s in decent shape and has everything else going for her
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 08:17 PM
1

Yeah, no. It’s almost as though most of us deal with women on a regular basis and observe.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 11:43 AM
0

My ability to pair bond has been fucked from the start so sure, why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/19 11:10 AM
12

It's about compromise. Meet half way. Sometimes the lower libido partner is going to have to sack up and put out, and sometimes the hornier partner will have to rub one out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 02:26 PM
1

I think you may have it here. I think there are women who respond well to it, but they're usually abnormally chill and are NOT the norm. The devil is in the details, but I think it hurts more often than it helps.
/r/seduction26/04/19 11:03 PM
6

What I’m saying is that even if it is funny and a nice display of humility, it still might have a negative impact on sexual attraction.
/r/seduction26/04/19 04:51 PM
3

I have no idea what she'll do because I know nothing about the nature of your background with her. Either way, assume she isn't going to respond and she's just not interested period. In fact, more likely than not, that's what'll happen. So it makes sense to start from there anyway. You're there to meet other girls. Being friendly with her demonstrates your familiarity with her. Even just a polite but positive interaction with her shows that rejection isn't a big deal to you, and shows other wome…
/r/seduction24/04/19 06:20 PM
4

Go, be friendly with her, but hit on other girls exclusively. Meeting other girls will help you forget about her. Ever pick up a toy that a child isn't playing with, and then all of a sudden they want to play with it? You're the toy here. She's probably never going to want to play with you if she knows you'll always be within grasp. Find another girl to pick you up. She may or may not get jealous, but she DEFINITELY won't if you don't branch out. The ball is in her court. You've done your part; …
/r/seduction24/04/19 05:33 PM
1

It’s never really 100% impossible, but I do agree that it’s getting harder and harder for the 80% to get laid. To the point where for many it’s not even worth it to try, because it’s like playing a lottery where you get your feelings hurt if you lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/19 01:48 PM
16

This social media worship should be shamed into oblivion. It’s pathetic, harmful, and ineffective. Showering someone with compliments makes them feel better about themselves, not better about you.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/04/19 11:26 AM
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Nah there are tons of thirsty simps who will do anything for pussy. Way more than MGTOW folks. Dating apps present three issues: Only a small portion of men can actually have a fulfilling romantic life using dating apps Women are looking for guys outside of dating apps less frequently because they can get plenty of dates without going out and getting bothered by guys they don't like. If women do go out places to meet guys it's usually just to hook up. Dating apps give women inflated self esteem …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/04/19 12:43 AM
5

Guys will still jack off. Guys will always jack off. The problem is when guys ONLY jack off.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/04/19 12:34 AM
17

Honestly the cognitive dissonance is incredible. It's so simple but no one wants to call it what it is. They won't even go as far as to blame dating apps, which are responsible for the majority of this issue.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/04/19 12:32 AM
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What the hell does abortion have to do with anything
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen24/04/19 12:30 AM
1

It's about cultivating toughness, which can be done by parents, environment, peers, etc etc. That said, you're right that some people are born more apt at it than others. But if they're not around people that they can learn to challenge and emulate, it's not going to do much for them. For example, and not to be racist, but the reason black people tend to have thicker skin and are better at roasting than white people is that they grow up with it. Their family, friends, authority figures; it's jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:21 PM
3

It's a coping mechanism. Like alcohol. It's easier to drink than it is to solve your problems, just like it's easier to masturbate than it is to actually go out and get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 07:13 PM
5

Yup, trying to absolve responsibility by making it seem like a mutual thing.
/r/seduction22/04/19 11:12 AM
3

Your desire to improve more than one thing
/r/seduction21/04/19 10:08 PM
1

Wrong sub homie. Try dating advice or relationship advice.
/r/seduction21/04/19 04:49 PM
7

I don't lie for pussy but hey different strokes for different folks
/r/seduction21/04/19 04:39 PM
12

Having a dick
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 04:21 PM
0

I didn't say it was a perfect parallel
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 03:08 PM
1

"Crazy" is the female "creepy"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/19 03:02 PM
20

I wouldn't worry about that. There are approximately zero men on earth who meet all those standards.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/04/19 02:28 PM
1

I didn't downvote you...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 01:57 PM
2

I didn't say I'd never sleep with her. I probably wouldn't, but even if I would, it still says nothing about our compatibility as lovers. We get along marvelously, but she isn't my type. She's too volatile and too impulsive. I would have a hard time building up the trust in her required for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 12:19 PM
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You're literally playing right into my point. The industrial region, as you call it, is/was vulnerable and was taken advantage of. And yes, they did start the opioid crisis. Just because they didn't create the environment for it to flourish doesn't mean they aren't responsible. It's a lot more difficult to get hooked on painkillers when they aren't readily available. People don't just go straight to heroin. Anyway, right now the sexual marketplace for men is in a very similar spot. It's getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 12:15 PM
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Because it's taking advantage of people. Drug addicts seem to enjoy it when they're on heroin, right? So then why is everyone mad at the oxycontin peddlers who started the opioid crisis? A waitress who makes $2/hr shouldn't complain because she chooses to work that job, right? It couldn't possibly be because she has no alternatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/19 09:31 AM
14

Yup. I’d never date my best friend and it has nothing to do with getting along or how attractive she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 02:09 PM
1

Nah it just means you aren’t tinder material
/r/seduction16/04/19 10:58 AM
1

You have to be really really not ugly
/r/seduction16/04/19 01:43 AM
15

To "like" is a feeling. Facts don't care about your feelings.
/r/seduction15/04/19 11:58 PM
10

It's not bad advice at all. A lot of my best nights were ones I went into with very low expectations. That said, it's kind of useless by itself. If you really want something, when push comes to shove you can't force yourself not to care about it. You have to get yourself there naturally.
/r/seduction15/04/19 12:13 PM
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What I’ve found is that “stop looking” means “stop wanting.” It doesn’t mean don’t put yourself out there and meet girls. It means get yourself into a mindset where you’re looking to meet people and not to find a girlfriend specifically. Easier said than done, of course.
/r/seduction15/04/19 11:07 AM
2

Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 08:41 AM
7

You can stay in contact but don't "pursue." You want to keep enough of a distance to where she isn't going to start seeing you as a friend, but keep in contact enough so that you don't seem butthurt. Just a heads up, 99% of the time "doesn't want to date anyone" means she isn't into you and letting you down easy. Doesn't mean she won't change her mind, but don't take her words at face value.
/r/seduction12/04/19 02:25 PM
1

Too young to have formed memories, though I suppose if their parents are young enough to go too it would save them the trouble of being an orphan.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 12:49 PM
9

Honestly, just ride it out. Use the remaining time to identify and work on your issues with people around, but don’t expect things to change. It takes the same amount of time to change a reputation as it does to build one. Focus on becoming a better person for afterwards when you have a chance to start anew.
/r/seduction12/04/19 12:36 PM
4

Younger first, excluding extremely young children.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 12:26 PM
5

Average guys struggle to get laid outside of a relationship, especially once they get out of college.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 12:11 PM
5

I know tons of ugly ass guys at 6’2 plus who get attention solely because of their height. The chaddiest chads I’ve met are usually around 6’2 to 6’5 as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 07:33 PM
7

This is so false it’s scary
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 06:55 PM
1

...because people who are dating talk about stuff with each other. Talk about their problems. Not sure what the disconnect is here. Do you not talk about your problems with guys you’ve been seeing a while?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 06:32 PM
1

I’m not talking about a first or second date
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 05:46 PM
3

Being supportive is something brought to the table then. But it’s one of many. Like guys who have nothing going for them thinking all it takes is being nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:23 PM
2

Because people who date talk about things in their lives?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 04:20 PM
3

Literally anyone can offer partnership
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 03:31 PM
3

I didn't say that either. What I mean is that a lot of guys have learned not to be too open about prior struggles in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 02:14 PM
4

It’s necessary. Women are turned off by inexperience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 01:03 PM
8

If that's the case then there's not much to be done in the way of discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 12:38 PM
15

No one is telling women to lower their standards for casual sex. What they’re saying is if your standards for a relationship partner are as high as those for casual sex, there’s a decent chance you won’t find anyone. Fewer men are considered desirable for casual sex than women. It’s just math at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 12:00 PM
1

Facial bloat is usually more dependent on hydration and sodium intake. But that’s interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:35 PM
9

Lol yup this was me and best friend from early in college. I got attention at parties, he was the one boinking dimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:25 PM
1

Yeah I’m not commenting on the Instagram girlfriend thing because I really don’t care about it. It’s not about trivial things, and that wasn’t the language used. It’s about questionable behaviors that women tend to get a pass for, if not from their partner then from society as a whole, because they’re seen as emotional beings. And yeah, obviously some women are cool with splitting things 50/50. I refuse to date anyone who isn’t. But men paying for dates is still enough of an expectation to where…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 02:22 PM
2

You do realize these are things that all men have to do, correct? It’s a bit petty, but until you iron out the details it’s not hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 01:29 PM
2

What exactly was the “punishment?”
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 01:15 PM
1

I wouldn’t say they mean more, I’d just say there are fewer men considered attractive by women than the reverse. I’d say it’s pretty equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 11:19 AM
1

That makes no sense. I think you're confusing it with waist to hips ratio.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 11:15 PM
1

What do you mean by higher?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 10:52 PM
1

I wouldn't say they're not, but it's a matter of priorities. Gay guys and women tend to like the same things, but in a different order. Women like abs etc, but they're further down the list of what makes a guy attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 10:34 PM
2

I think the biggest difference weight loss makes for a guy is what it does to his face. Some guys don't look that much different with a few extra pounds, while with others you see a noticeable change in head shape, jaw definition etc. You have to be noticeably ripped for your body to get any sort of attention, and even still it isn't as impactful as a better looking face.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 10:29 PM
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You're objectively good looking, race aside, so there's that. It really depends on the locale. The US has a wide variety of locales with different race and dating dynamics. Where I currently live, a good looking black girl can do really well for herself. But where I'm originally from it would be a lot harder. I hope what I'm about to say doesn't come across as racist, because it's a taboo issue, but it's really just a commentary on what I see from people as a whole. The answer is that different …
/r/seduction08/04/19 10:25 PM
2

I’m not complaining about it. I’m saying “men should pay more attention to their appearance” is not a solution in the slightest. And everyone is getting less attractive, women included.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 10:58 AM
2

What? You just contradicted yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 10:43 PM
1

I assume you mean they won't get fewer matches per person. And that's incorrect, which is exactly my point. People, especially women, are more generous with right swipes in a less populous area. In a large metro you can always find someone new. The more rural, the fewer options they have. Not saying it's an effective or logical way of looking at things, but that's how it tends to shape out. I can go back to my hometown for a week and get better looking matches who message ME, compared to what I …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 10:10 PM
3

The negative impact of a large city applies mostly to dating apps. If you're frequently out and about it's a bit different. My point was mostly about being in a city like LA where people are way more attractive on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 09:59 PM
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It really doesn't matter, because attractiveness will always be relative. If every guy became hotter, women would just raise their standards. I'm pretty decent looking, but when I moved to a city that's larger and more attractive on average, dating became harder. If I were to move to Los Angeles, which is an even larger and even more attractive city, I'd have a worse time yet, despite being the exact same person. I get that you don't want to blame women, but blaming yourself is stupid too. Unatt…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/19 09:08 PM
4

Spend less time on the internet? I've never heard that complaint in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 01:57 PM
9

It's almost as though other women exist
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/19 01:48 PM
3

Probably an 8 currently assuming I'm in proper shape, tan etc. I've talked about it before. I don't have much of a social life because my personality is problematic . Most of the sex I have is through dating apps, but I hate using them because I still have to compete with 9's and 10's and know I can meet better women IRL. When I do go out I get a range of reactions. I'm pretty and muscular but not horribly tall, which is a big thing where I live, so I see everything from googoo eyes to complete …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 11:07 PM
2

Was in a similar situation not long ago. The night ended well. I had a friend from back home move in with his gf, to my current city. Not someone I was super close to, but enough to reconnect. I'd never met his girlfriend so he was the only one there I knew. She'd been here a year and invited her friends. I started off just talking to him, which allowed me to have a social "warm up" before meeting anyone new. People would come by, and I'd introduce myself and briefly chat, but I stayed with him …
/r/seduction04/04/19 09:39 PM
3

The fact that you connect sex and porn so closely is what tipped me off. I started watching porn long before I became sexually active. For guys like me, there's a larger mental disconnect between the two. It definitely does affect people to varying degrees, and in varying ways. I can't say "porn is good" or "porn is bad," because neither of those statements are accurate for everyone.
/r/seduction04/04/19 08:17 PM
3

That's an interesting take. Goes to show how everyone reacts differently to it. I would guess you're a pretty social person, and that you either lost your virginity at a younger age or didn't start regularly watching porn until later than most. Most guys I talk to (myself included) don't feel strong connections between the content of sex and porn. Porn is a means to an end and is very separate in their minds from the pursuit of sex. One is solitary and virtual, the other is social and very real.
/r/seduction04/04/19 07:37 PM
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Watching porn has two main effects: one good and one bad. Which one ends up overriding the other depends on the individual and their situation. Porn doesn't necessarily negatively affect your ABILITY to get girls. It does, however, affect your MOTIVATION. Getting laid takes work. Choking the chicken provides you with an easy, failure-proof way to relieve sexual urges when they come about. It's not as satisfying, but it's quick, free, easy, and requires little skill. However, there is a such thin…
/r/seduction04/04/19 06:54 PM
2

That's... completely backwards
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 03:56 PM
2

That's not what hypergamy is. It's women forgoing committed, exclusive relationships because they can casually sleep with more attractive men than they're able to have commit to them. It's not about wanting the best FOR HER, it's about being willing to "share" a guy with other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 12:02 AM
3

You’re being a creep because you took a fucking photo
/r/seduction03/04/19 04:48 PM
1

Nope. But then again my standards for a relationship partner are astronomically higher than for a sexual partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 11:44 AM
3

It's envy. You feel a lot better about failure when you aren't around people who are succeeding. Feeling as though he's taking the moral high ground is probably his attempt to keep his pride intact. I get it too. I was a virgin coming into college and didn't really get any my freshman year either. Meanwhile I had a roommate who was relatively sexually successful and I also joined a fraternity second semester. So I couldn't hide from seeing other guys doing what I couldn't. It was pretty brutal a…
/r/seduction02/04/19 02:35 PM
4

sex party Come again? But yeah, sometimes it's just there. The most glaring example I've had was a girl I had a class with, even though we were both in serious relationships. The chemistry was instant and it was immense.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 06:34 PM
5

I think it's a mixture of tinder/social media, a reduction in overall testosterone levels, and tons of engaging distractions from the terrible dating scene.
/r/seduction30/03/19 01:07 AM
27

It's a misconception that more casual sex leads to more people having sex. It's actually the opposite.
/r/seduction30/03/19 01:06 AM
2

It's the classic "attractive to get more attention as a group" vs "unattractive to make you stand out" conundrum. The latter has been better in my experience but I also don't have a ton of guy friends. What's more important is being with friends who bring out the best in you and who you can have fun with. The more comfortable you are with your surroundings, the more confident you'll be.
/r/seduction26/03/19 07:37 PM
14

"Friendly" isn't the right word here. Being friendly just means you're going out of your way to talk to people. Cracking jokes isn't the issue either. Don't make EVERYTHING you say into a joke, but making someone laugh is never a bad thing. What you should probably do is turn down the enthusiasm. I tend to have this problem too. Being too enthusiastic, reactive, etc. can give the impression that what's going on is a big deal for you. It reflects a level of inexperience and naivety, both of which…
/r/seduction26/03/19 06:25 PM
11

His wiener is pointing at you
/r/seduction25/03/19 11:21 PM
53

This type of dynamic is going to become more and more common. The worst thing a woman can do to her datability is to have a kid. The worst thing a guy can do is not partake in things like dating, sex, and an active social life. Which means that these two groups (single moms, male virgins) end up with similar value in the dating market. So what you end up with is an awkwardly mismatched couple in which the woman has been living a fully adult life for years, often accompanied by emotional baggage,…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/03/19 02:00 PM
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I think the “males want sex, females want a relationship” thing is more due to hypergamy. The men who have the most sex tend to be the most attractive, while the women who do are usually more average. Yet relationships tend to be between people of equal attractiveness. Meaning most casual sex occurs between an attractive man and an average woman he wouldn’t commit to. In addition, the easier it is for a guy to have casual sex, the less likely he is to get into a relationship. These same guys als…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 10:59 AM
1

I'd disagree. Being in shape and dressing well doesn't make you metro. It's more about the affect and topics of your conversations. This coming from someone who's a bit metro himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 04:27 PM
4

I don't think that's necessarily true. Men TRY to keep their insecurities hidden because they know it's unattractive. Some are better at it than others, but we don't notice the ones who are good at hiding it. Insecurities from men that DO show are apparent BECAUSE they haven't been properly dealt with. Expressing insecurity is more normal for women. It's like popping a balloon versus slowly letting the air out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 04:17 PM
3

Really well put. Insecurity is an accepted part of female culture. The fact that makeup is completely normalized is the best example of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 04:11 PM
1

Telling 6 inches is average (well, maybe it's but AFAIK average is a bit shorter), lmao. 6 inches is average for a white male Well, okay, the point is insecurities do no make you act optimally I can agree with this, at least extended to circumstances beyond one's control. It can be helpful in the long run if it motivates you to improve something that can and should be worked on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 01:16 PM
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It is about insecurity, assuming it isn't just standard approach anxiety.. As I just said, insecurity does not have to be completely irrational, or irrational at all. Once again, you didn't read my comment. But yes, I'd say it's justified. Women are rarely content with average. I'm over 6 inches and have gotten some unflattering size feedback more than once. Luckily I've had enough good experiences to balance those out and avoid any anxiety for the most part. But if a guy hasn't had those positi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 12:19 PM
0

That's... really poorly put. Sure, some people are either overly insecure or paranoid about something they shouldn't be. But more often than not, it's based on something tangible and realistic. It's nowhere close to a phobia, which is by definition irrational. If someone is deathly afraid of snakes, but lives in Canada, that would be a phobia. But if a person is trapped in a room with an angry rattlesnake, their fear does not constitute a phobia. If a guy is insecure about his height or dick siz…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 12:04 PM
2

Insecurity is a form of fear. It’s a fear of reaction and consequences that stem from your flaws. I think it’s a valid parallel, even if it could be phrased better.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 11:44 AM
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This is a good post. The best comeback is bringing up the fact that almost no women want to date a guy shorter than them. The reason they give? Usually it's something about wanting to wear heels or not feeling womanly. A la, a textbook example of insecurity. For what it's worth, I think everyone's entitled to preferences. That includes the above example, it includes men, and it includes concerns about sexual history. Trying to shame someone into being okay with something they clearly aren't does…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 09:54 PM
5

Except most guys don’t lie about their penis size. Or at least nothing more than rounding up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 04:21 PM
3

There are a number of guys who are attracted to "bad bitches." I kind of get it, but at the same time I would never seriously date a girl like that for innumerable reasons. Give me someone who's kind-hearted, sincere, and thoughtful, but at the same time not a complete pushover.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 02:21 PM
7

Sure, why not? The difference is men don't necessarily find alpha women more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 11:08 AM
0

Not my thing but hey as long as you enjoy it
/r/seduction12/03/19 04:59 PM
3

I just wish there were some way to have my cake and eat it too. The only real solution is to have such a great sex life that I don’t need to try at all, but at that point I’d already be where I want to be. It sucks. Girls would literally get mad at me for not cheating on her with them. They’d introduce me to their lady friends and get overly handsy. Whereas the semester before we were official I hooked up with one other girl total and not for lack of trying.
/r/seduction12/03/19 04:48 PM
16

It’s so true. The most attention I’ve ever gotten was when I had a girlfriend.
/r/seduction12/03/19 02:33 PM
1

I'm just of the mind that if you don't like something and can easily solve it, but refuse to, you have no right to complain. I'll leave it at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 01:11 AM
1

Cool, if she complains about it again she's a hypocrite. As of now she's just encouraging sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 12:37 AM
14

Unattractive men have it harder than unattractive women. Attractive men have it easier than attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 12:12 AM
1

Only if There's a clear and easy solution to the problem that he isn't doing for whatever reason. He continues to complain about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/19 12:06 AM
1

I said something he has clear and easy control over. And if it were an easy fix, I wouldn't tell him to leave, I'd tell him what to do about it and get irritated if he kept complaining. Which is what the OP has every right to do. Tell her to put up or shut up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 11:35 PM
1

I'm not blaming women for anything. I'm saying that sexist men exist, and condemning it while not backing up that condemnation with one's actions does absolutely nothing to curtail it. If you want to call that blaming then fine. You can phrase it however you want, but if you complain about something in any significant manner and then help to proliferate that behavior, you're a hypocrite. She treats it like she's complaining that he leaves her bedroom a mess, or doesn't wipe his shoes before step…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 11:19 PM
2

It takes practice and is easier for some than others. I would say you absolutely should NOT fake something if you're not good at faking it. That's going to set you back way farther than being yourself.
/r/seduction11/03/19 11:10 PM
1

Sure, you can say OP is a hypocrite if he also claims to truly value the termination of sexism. What you've said is the same logic people use not to vote: that it won't make any difference because she's just one person. But you still need to reflect your values in your actions if you want to be taken seriously and not called out for your hypocrisy. Because if enough women tell him to get lost, it may inconvenience him enough to curtail that behavior. As I said earlier, I used to be more sexist t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 10:50 PM
1

Sleeping with him hurts no one else She's helping to proliferate sexism. It hurts women. When sexist guys get what they want from women, it hurts women, because it tells men that sexism is okay. The other girls don't matter. She's the one sleeping with him, so she's the one encouraging the behavior. If you truly find something morally reprehensible, you don't encourage it. Otherwise you're a hypocrite. It doesn't matter if someone else would do it. So what exactly is she gaining from ending thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 10:08 PM
1

Aaaand you're back to making shit up again. Never said all men are happy to fuck anyone they can. I'm done putting up with your bullshitting. Learn to properly debate and yes, you've gone ad hominem and did again more subtly in this comment too. Hypothetically say I never got laid. I've spent a lot of time with guys who do, even more frequently than myself. My big slept with upwards of 100 women in college. I guarantee you he saw it the same way. Yes, he can get it easily because the other women…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 09:41 PM
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It doesn't matter how she treats it, because I can guarantee that's how he views it. Intentions don't matter. Actions do. When she fucks him despite behavior that should be condemned, she encourages sexism by demonstrating that being sexist has zero impact on a guy's ability to get laid. It's not that complicated. If an employer promotes a male employee despite knowing about numerous instances of sexual harassment in the workplace, wouldn't you say they're validating that behavior? Wouldn't othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 09:09 PM
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I get laid enough. I also used to be a lot more sexist and nothing was different. Ad hominem is pathetic and irrelevant. I get mad at you because instead of putting in the effort to read what I wrote, you simply string together bits and pieces to form what you want me to say. Not because of your viewpoint. Sex is a reward for men. Men like sex. That's why they go after women. I go to a party, talk to a girl, and try to win her over. If I do well enough, sex is my prize. Frequency of sex does not…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 08:49 PM
2

Please, for the love of all that is holy, stop mixing together parts of my argument. READ. READ. Please READ. Can you not handle two points being made at once? Here, I'll go one at a time because clearly two is too much for you. Here is part one. Please address this point and do not mix in parts of my previous posts to create some whole new incoherent argument. He, like virtually all men, views sex as a reward. She is rewarding him by sleeping with him, despite his sexist behavior, thus prolifer…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 08:26 PM
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You do realize you're not actually addressing my argument, correct? You're just jumping around mixing parts of my comment together. Please aim for coherency and practice reading comprehension so we can have a proper discussion. It doesn't matter how she views sex. I'm sure she does enjoy it. But he clearly views it as a reward, as do most guys. She actively encourages his sexist behavior by rewarding him for it. Thus, no right to complain. When a behavior is commonly rewarded, it proliferates. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 08:17 PM
2

What did one expert say to the other expert?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 07:52 PM
6

Assuming she's remotely attractive there are x number of guys willing to drop everything and come over if she texts them wanting to fuck. She sleeps with him because his attractiveness is more important to her than his sexism. You can't simply flip the genders and expect the analogy to hold up because the dynamic is completely different. Don't play dumb. Women don't get the same social validation from sex, or the same social shaming from lack of sex. Men are the pursuers, and women are the gatek…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 07:51 PM
2

I'm sure you're an expert
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 07:29 PM
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The point is she encourages the behavior. Say I'm a manager and complain to my employees about them slacking off. If I then go and promote the laziest culprit by far, I no longer have the right to complain about it. I'm actively encouraging the behavior by rewarding the guy who does it the most. If I worry about access to health care, then go vote a straight republican ticket, I have no right to complain if I lose my government insurance. I've actively encouraged the behavior of those trying to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 06:54 PM
5

So you contradict me and then agree with me? What I’m saying is that if you’re just looking to pick someone up, it’s okay to tone down parts of your personality that are generally considered unattractive to increase chances of success. If you’re looking for a girlfriend, it’s best to be yourself because you want someone who likes you for you.
/r/seduction11/03/19 04:03 PM
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I think you have to be careful with advice on this sub then. Strategies for casual seduction and finding a real LTR are completely different. Finding casual sex is about being as attractive and assertive as possible, while finding someone for an LTR is about being the best version of YOU. My instinct is to be talkative and kind, and when I'm trying to get laid, I dial those back because overdoing either of them is a bad look. However, if I'm legitimately interested in someone beyond sex, I just …
/r/seduction11/03/19 11:47 AM
4

Maybe 10% of guys are capable of successfully using tinder
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:51 PM
5

No disrespect, but this might be the dumbest post I've seen in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 09:26 PM
2

Welp, unless you're Johnny Six Foot McDreamboat you're probably going to have to be at least somewhat coercive. Just because Toyota makes good cars doesn't mean the salesman doesn't have to convince people to buy them. It's not unethical to convince someone to buy a good car so long as you don't lie about its features.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:52 PM
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I'm saying you're not going to get anything helpful from an experienced, successful woman that you wouldn't get from an experienced, successful guy. But when it comes to things that may seem manipulative or coercive to a woman, chances are she's either unaware of them or would advise against them, even if it isn't to your benefit. And to be clear, I'm not talking about anything decidedly unethical.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:27 PM
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Because when people give advice they tend to utilize their own perspective. If you ask a woman for advice, chances are she's going to tell you what SHE would want a guy to do if she were in whichever woman's shoes. She has no experience being a man so she can't do the inverse. People don't like feeling manipulated or coerced into doing something. They'd prefer if every car salesman was a newbie. Just like how all women would prefer to see guys immediately for what they are. Most women are not go…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 08:14 PM
2

Yes, but the best advice for ANYTHING is going to come from someone who 1. Has no reason to mislead you for personal gain and most importantly 2. Has done that EXACT THING successfully numerous times. Some women may know what they like, but they aren't ALWAYS looking to be picked up, just as how a customer isn't ALWAYS looking to leave the lot with a brand new Camry. The manufacturer is irrelevant in this scenario. Toyotas are good cars. People are clearly coming to the dealership and inquiring …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 07:43 PM
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I think this is a better analogy. If you've just started working at a car dealership selling Toyotas, who are you going to go to for advice: An experienced car salesman from another county, or a customer who's bought a few cars before?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 07:08 PM
3

It is something we have control over, to an extent. Which is why it’s such an effort. You have to make sure your motion is right; if she’s too quiet you have to change things up. Unless you’re naturally gifted or your partner gets off really easily it’s a challenge. Even if she’s just riding you, you need to last long enough to make it worth her while. To be honest I can’t fully enjoy sex unless it’s a one night stand for that reason. It’s really just a matter of putting in the effort and saving…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 12:39 PM
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You’ve got some Cheeto dust on your lips
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/03/19 10:30 PM
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I think that's more a result of a somewhat ironic link between comedy and liberalism. We're the ones who simultaneously tell all the jokes and can't take a joke (which really does illustrate the divide I'm referring to.) For whatever reason conservative comedians don't really gain traction, meaning there's significant overlap between most comics' intended audience and the ones they want to avoid the most. Even the less "controversial" comedians come from the left. John Oliver, Stephen Colbert (n…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/03/19 08:27 PM
3

Yes, getting insulted makes insulting them back very reasonable. Stop pretending to take the high road.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/03/19 07:46 PM
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It is a strategy of many democrats to do so, and one that many others do not support. It isn't and shouldn't be a part of the platform, but it's something that a number of individuals on the left employ to gain support. It's why a large proportion of vocal criticism of outrage culture comes from men on the left. People like Bill Maher, George Carlin (RIP,) Bill Burr, Stephen Fry, and Sam Harris. Much like how a true fiscal conservative is going to abhor the construction of a giant useless wall u…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/03/19 07:05 PM
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I do think most of the posts fit the bill, but you're not wrong. I guess a sub of this nature gets big enough, it's going to attract deplorables. Frankly I don't even mind the incel types. I have some sympathy for them as long as they aren't total pieces of shit. It's the ones who want to turn every post into a game of who can regurgitate the most talking points and own the libtards that I hate.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/03/19 06:50 PM
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"All liberal men are emasculated" "Whoa there let's stick to civilized discussion" A generalization like this does not warrant civilized discussion. Anyone, like the original commenter, whose response amounts to either preaching to the choir or a simple troll depending on audience, has forfeited their right to a civilized response by making such a fallacy. I like debating those who come from an angle of discussion. But This isn't a debate sub, and Neither the original commenter or I made an atte…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/03/19 05:38 PM
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This isn't a political debate
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/03/19 05:14 PM
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Get off the internet and go meet people outside of your social circle every once in a while
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/03/19 04:50 PM
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Let's not turn this into a thedonald circle jerk. That's not the point. The point is that even men with fiscally and socially liberal views have gotten tired of this perpetual mentality of victimhood that younger women have adopted in every facet of life. So put your straw men away and turn off your Hannity for two seconds.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/03/19 04:16 PM
1

Kindness. Don’t be a bitch and don’t try to justify it when you do something bitchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 02:20 PM
2

Why do LGBTQIAXYZ people come up with labels? Not disparaging either one, just trying to prove a point.
/r/seduction02/03/19 04:03 PM
3

Technically some girls want to do shit to a guy's ass too
/r/seduction01/03/19 02:08 AM
1

Guys don't fuck boobs but we still like them
/r/seduction01/03/19 01:47 AM
2

“Convert to Muslim”
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/02/19 01:01 PM
1

There are probably better subreddits for this question then
/r/seduction27/02/19 09:53 PM
1

So you’re talking about during sex, not trying to pick someone up
/r/seduction27/02/19 09:19 PM
6

Nothing is more unattractive than a who isn't an asshole trying to be one.
/r/seduction27/02/19 07:22 PM
5

Don't do nitrous. That's stupid as shit. One thing you'll find is that failure from trying to be something else leads to more regret than failing because you were being yourself.
/r/seduction26/02/19 04:46 PM
8

Had a pretty balanced relationship back in college. At least it felt that way to me. We were about equally attractive, both paid for our own shit, and tried to make as many things as possible 50/50. I missed out on some strange but it was absolutely worth it. We only hung out a couple times a week, but unless one of us was mad at the other we always had sex. There was very little insecurity involved; I had a habit of going clubbing with female friends but didn't hide anything and never did anyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 08:28 PM
1

Don't a number of underwear model types take small doses of roids? I don't take any myself and the only context in which I really know about them is pro sports. But yeah I was referring more to bodybuilder levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 08:13 PM
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Kinda pointless to argue without all the photos. At a certain point it definitely tapers off, once guys start to display striation and unnatural looking proportions. You don't see bodybuilders at the top of "sexiest men" lists. My guess is that this study didn't go beyond that threshold. What's a more interesting point to argue, to me, is that women underestimate the effort required for certain physiques.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 07:57 PM
4

If I can last 15 minutes with someone they should feel insulted
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 07:38 PM
3

It matters, but I also think men are more varied in what types of personalities they’re attracted to than women are. Some guys like strong women, some like submissive women. Some guys like shy women, some like outgoing women. But very few women are attracted TO shyness or agreeableness in men (this does not mean they can’t have the hots for a guy DESPITE these things.)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 04:42 PM
11

Not to mention there’s a sizable middle ground between fucking on the first date and stringing a guy along.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/02/19 01:44 PM
1

I mean it's not an exact science. But when you spend enough time around both sexes together, you see how women react to certain guys, and even sometimes talk about rankings. Women do the 1-10 thing all the time. A lot of them just under-rank every guy because they think it makes them seem choosy (this is supported by surveys,) but some are more straightforward. It also depends on what kind of distribution you subscribe to. Is it linear, meaning that there are an equal number of 10's, 1's, 5's et…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:17 PM
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Yeah I'm 5'10 (actually 5'9 plus hair and posture but who's asking.) Probably a 9 in the face. Height takes away a point or two but I'm also in great shape so I'd add .5 for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 09:25 PM
1

I'm probably closer to 5'9 than 5'10 but I tell people the latter and no one has called me out on it yet
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 05:31 PM
5

It's a euphemism I use because technically I've had clinical depression for years
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 05:23 PM
1

I mean I'm not that short either, but obviously someone who cares about height more than usual would rate me lower than an 8. But then again girls who are short or don't care as much about height rate me higher than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 05:22 PM
2

Eh to me it's about being with the right people. Anything I do to motivate myself beforehand wears off by the time I'm out and about.
/r/seduction22/02/19 03:10 PM
14

Went from a 6.5 to a 4, then looksmaxxed to an 8. Mostly weight loss and hairstyle. The changes definitely had to do with looks. I was in a deep depression while I was in the process and still noticed the positive difference. Eventually the newfound attractiveness and a visit to some friends brought me out of that funk. I'm not tall so I still get the cold shoulder from height queens, but when that isn't a factor I find that women have become way more receptive. Even in non-romantic situations w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/19 01:17 PM
3

Yes, I'm in great shape. I've found it's significantly less important than height or face.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 07:13 PM
1

I'm the same. I have a decent pretty-boy look so I do fine with women, but I have been told straight up that my height was an issue on multiple occasions. Probably where the bitterness comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 06:03 PM
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Obviously these men exist. What I'm saying is using someone famous as an example is stupid. Patton Oswald was just as driven, ambitious, and charismatic before he got famous, but I guarantee you he was not getting pussy thrown at him. You hear rappers and singers talk about it all the time: how women who didn't want them before are now banging down their door.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 05:55 PM
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I'm not saying those men don't exist. I've known a few. But using someone famous as an example is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 05:52 PM
1

Say he had decided not to pursue comedy, or to do it simply as a hobby.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 05:49 PM
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Do I really have to explain this? Fame and fortune dwarf confidence and even looks when it comes to attracting women. No one on this sub, to my knowledge, is as famous as Patton Oswald. Sure, he's funny and charismatic. But take funny and charismatic Patton's fame away and he's going to struggle like every short and chubby funny guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 05:35 PM
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PSA: Using rich and famous men as examples in these debates is lazy and irrelevant to 99.9% of men
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 05:24 PM
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Yeah I'm going to call bullshit on this. Not because there isn't some truth to it, but because it's not the explanation for the phenomenon OP brings up. I actually disagree with OP to an extent. I've known guys who were not conventionally good looking or tall but made it work with charisma and a good social circle. But it's more the other way around. OP says this because more good looking guys end up being confident than ugly or average guys. Real confidence stems from something concrete, and be…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 05:22 PM
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Probably not a popular thing to say in this sub, but there are women who do try hard to be good people. They aren't featured prominently in this sub because in my experience they have very little trouble finding boyfriends.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/02/19 01:21 PM
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It's not about what I find suitable. I really don't give a shit about formal dating at this point. I know my value, I work on my value, and I don't care what other men do. Expectations are always relative anyway. If every man lost 10 lbs, women would go from wanting an in shape guy to requiring six pack abs. It's about realistic expectations when it comes to a long term romantic partner. If a woman wants to stubbornly continue to try dating up, that's her business. But I'm not going to be sympat…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 11:47 PM
2

No one HAS to lower their standards. But if you go after women who are more appealing than you are and put no effort into self-improvement, you don't have a right to complain about rejection. I say the same about women who continue to try dating up and wonder why none of those guys want to commit to them.
/r/seduction17/02/19 11:29 PM
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lol at the music
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/02/19 08:23 PM
2

When people, particularly women, say men need to open up more, they aren't actually talking about a full range of healthy emotions. What they mean is anywhere from smiling while playing with your dog all the way to shedding a single, glistening tear when that dog dies. Anything beyond that is shamed into oblivion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 03:06 PM
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Sounds like you're spending too much time reading incel forums. Even guys who do care about a girl's number don't care that much about virginity. Taking my ex's was a chore. Most guys who do care just don't want to date a girl whose number dwarfs theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 11:59 PM
2

It's like anything you try to ignore for your own well-being. Avoiding junk food is difficult but it's a lot more difficult if you walk by the candy store and the taco bell every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 11:53 PM
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There are more guys who don't care or don't want to know than there are who do. But it's still pervasive enough for experienced women to feel the need to hide or lie about their number.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 11:48 PM
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Don't bring it up if he doesn't ask. Maybe he doesn't care or would rather remain ignorant. As long as you don't lie about it if it does come up. Fact is some guys care about a woman's sexual history. I know it's not what you're saying, but trying to rationalize preferences is pointless and hypocritical. Bringing it up earlier on ensures that a promiscuous woman won't waste her time with someone who may see that as a dealbreaker. Whether you think that's worth it is up to you. Same reason I usua…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 11:46 PM
3

Think about the amount of times guys get rejected, then think about how many reactions are "nice guy" material. It's a relatively small fraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 04:16 PM
5

There is no mass entitlement to casual sex among men. If it were some common thing, there wouldn't be a very popular sub dedicated to making fun of guys who DO act entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/19 01:54 PM
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I've had both good and bad reactions to opening up. I do think that most, if not all women feel this way. It's instinctive for them to be turned off by vulnerability. The difference is that the ones who attempt to be decent human beings will try unbelievably hard to fight and ignore those feelings. My ex was like that, and the reason I didn't learn this lesson sooner. Instead I had to learn it not too long ago. I was going through a rough patch and opened up to someone who I thought was a good f…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/02/19 12:28 AM
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The commenter is clearly a chick
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/02/19 12:17 AM
1

High and low value are relative terms. I think the answer to OP’s question is yes, to an extent, and for two reasons. 1. Women don’t need a man as much as they used to need one because it’s easier for them to support themselves. 2. Women who have mostly casual sex when they’re young tend to go through a “grace period” of figuring out that a guy being willing to sleep with her doesn’t mean he’ll enter a relationships with her. Sometimes she figures it out quickly and sometimes it takes her a whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 12:38 PM
1

Whoa that’s a lot of straw, man
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 12:34 PM
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Yes and no. Abundance should be reflected in your actions and not stated outright. However, if the topic of conversation steers toward a related subject, silence probably isn't your best friend. Say she shares a bad tinder/dating experience. In that case it's probably better to bring up one of your own rather than remaining quiet or keeping her talking longer than she wants to. Don't go into much detail, but share just enough to avoid the "I can't relate to what you're talking about" silence.
/r/seduction12/02/19 09:43 PM
1

Same. The amount of pussy I could've gotten freshman year in the dorms had I even an ounce of real confidence still haunts me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 09:29 PM
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The inexperience itself is not the red flag. The issue is that 99.9% of the time when a woman has zero experience at 25 she either Is not even remotely attractive Hates men, or Is prude/putting off sex until marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 09:23 PM
2

Are you me? This is almost my story to a tee. Nearly a two year dry spell up until this past July. Turns out I let my looks go to the wayside a bit. Gained some weight and didn't really pay close enough attention to my aesthetic after college. Took a couple terrible photos for me to realize how bad it got. So since then I've put a ton of effort into getting back in shape and looking as good as I possibly can. I still need to develop a better post-grad social life, but even still the difference h…
/r/seduction12/02/19 02:05 AM
2

For me it’s less about feelings and more about FOMO/the grass always being greener. I think that’s true for a lot of guys. I’m on antidepressants and stimulants too so my feelings aren’t really reliable anyway. I had a pretty ideal relationship toward the end of college, but all I could think about was wanting to sleep around.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 05:54 PM
0

I have casual sex because that’s what the game allows for. If the number of relationship-worthy single women looking for something serious were bountiful, and hooking up with strangers were more difficult, I’d go for it. But they aren’t. Most are either already in relationships, still trying to date up, or content with casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 04:00 PM
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I think it’s some of both. Hell, I’m a dude and hookup culture has made it an issue for me, so it’s not like I can’t understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 03:53 PM
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For individuals, sure. But it’s equivalent to saying the solution for our obesity epidemic is to tell fat people to put down the fork. Meanwhile foods have become less nutritious and more addicting, meaning it requires more willpower than ever to break the habit permanently. The variable here is the level of engagement of these distractions. Add to this the rising standards of women, which leads to more men experiencing nothing but rejection. So what you end up with is not only a tougher habit t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 03:51 PM
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I think this is a great point. The solution to the problem is a lot more complex. Economic regulation is less controversial to implement because (despite the disagreement of some on the right) it doesn't infringe on individual freedoms. No sane person of either gender wants sexual rights restricted. I think the solution has to be cultural. But the way things are headed, I see it getting worse for a while before it gets better. I don't think hypergamy is going to slow down anytime soon, and becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 02:24 PM
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Yes, she can choose not to have sex with him. Some don't sleep with guys outside of a relationship and some do. Not sure what the issue is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 05:16 PM
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What on earth are you talking about
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 05:03 PM
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Because sex without commitment is better than sex with commitment for the majority of men when it comes to 99% of the women they encounter.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 04:54 PM
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Because 99.9% of men are not CEOs, Hollywood directors, or fucking congressmen. You can’t argue that a group is privileged because the its top .1% has it better than the other group’s top .1%. Are Saudis privileged because their rich live incredibly lavishly? Are black people privileged because the majority of NBA and NFL players are black? There are more black pro athletes making 500k+ than there are male Fortune 500 CEOs, congressmen, or major Hollywood directors combined. That doesn’t mean bl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 02:52 PM
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Don't listen to women regarding this subject because they'll just tell you what they want you to think. You need one of three things to get laid: looks, height, or a combination of charisma and an impressive social circle. Two of the three and you'll slay. Everything else is just not fucking up. Don't wear stupid clothing, keep your hygiene on point, and maintain an engaging conversation. So #1, Height isn't really something you can change. But unless you're like 5'4 you can still do fine amidst…
/r/seduction08/02/19 11:32 PM
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Oh I'm not trying to justify them doing it. I just personally don't care if people touch me with some obvious exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 08:50 PM
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Oh absolutely. It’s a combination of the two.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 05:30 PM
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Same but I get the dynamic. I don’t feel threatened when a girl grabs my ass at a bar. But I get why a girl does when it’s the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 02:46 PM
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Some women are good at showing interest, some aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 12:13 AM
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Of course what I say is an oversimplification. I don't have time to delve into all the intricacies of humanity. Fact is guys are approaching less and less often. Women get rejected when they go for guys out of their league. No guy is turned off by a woman because she's friendly and/or has the guts to approach him. Respect is only lost if she starts to chase, and that's true for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 11:52 PM
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...but they do. Not terribly frequently, but they do. This post isn't about me. My biggest issue is getting out frequently enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 10:11 PM
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Approaching is not the same as chasing. Chasing is a bad idea regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 10:10 PM
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Yes I understood what you meant. The implication wasn't that only 1 of 10 girls make an effort, but that most of the time when a guy approaches 1 of 10 women he fancies, it's someone who makes it easy for him. Maybe my wording was a little off. I used to think that no effort/body language meant no interest too. Then I had an experience recently where I got completely neutral vibes from a girl the whole night. Then she asked me if I wanted to go make out seemingly out of the blue. It threw me for…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 09:25 PM
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Yes I'm familiar with the BP. Issue is I'm right on the fence of the 80/20 where things get wonky.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 09:08 PM
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This isn't about me... It was never about me. You completely misinterpreted what I said as well. It's not about 1 out of 10 women showing interest, it's about a desirable guy approaching 1 out of 10 women who catch his attention. Those 1 out of 10 are usually the ones who make it easiest for him. As for me, I'm pretty much maxed out looks-wise. Not really relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 09:06 PM
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Even guys with the confidence to approach aren’t going to go talk to every girl who tickles their fancy. They may approach 1 in 10, and even that’s a relatively high rate. Usually those 10% are the ones who meet a guy halfway. At the very least actively encourage him to approach with body language. Girls who go about their lives making no effort to be welcoming and simply waiting to be approached are putting themselves at the bottom of the totem pole. A guy’s confidence has nothing to do with it…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:00 PM
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So according to what you’re saying, desirable guys approach every single girl they’re interested in? I encounter a number of appealing women each day and only every so often do I talk to one. It’s almost always because they either engage with me, or signal that they’d like me to engage with them. I don’t have the time or energy to approach every girl who catches my eye. No guy does.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 05:00 PM
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Women aren’t a monolith. Both of those categories do exist and encompass a large percentage of the female population. But there are women who truly want something and are just clueless as to how they get it. Either way, if they’re complaining they need to put up or shut up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 04:54 PM
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It’s not about those who never approach. You’re right, they’re hopeless until they get over it. It’s about your normal guy who approaches on occasion: when he feels comfortable doing so. Those proper circumstances, in his mind, are becoming fewer and fewer.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 04:51 PM
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I actually do get approached. I’m not some stud who has women swarming him the moment he enters the room, but I definitely get more attention than the average guy. This isn’t for girls who approach. They have it figured out. It’s for those who don’t and then complain that only jerks are interested in them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 04:45 PM
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I believe that there are significantly more women looking for "good" men than the other way around I don't think that's true at all. It's not that guys don't want good girls, it's that more often we'll continue to pursue regardless in hopes of casual sex instead of anything serious. If a girl doesn't like a guy, she wants nothing to do with him. But men have a hard enough time just trying to get laid Men have a harder time trying to get laid, and trying to get dates. Because women are more picky…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 03:52 AM
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Women being able to meet more men means it's easier to meet a "good man" than it is vice versa. That's just math, unless you believe there are more "good" women than "good" men. The problem is most women just suck at knowing who's "good."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 03:04 AM
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Sorry, but that's a stupid oversimplification. It's every person's right to have standards. But it's also important to realize that if your standards are too high they may never be met. In this case, she sets a seemingly impossible standard. No man is going to be able to interact with her regularly and never say anything she takes offense to. If she's fine with absolute perfection or nothing, that's her choice. But if she truly intends on meeting someone special, she's beyond misguided, and bein…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/02/19 09:33 PM
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Regardless, it's not something any sane person dumps someone over. That's the point. It's not about who's right. It's about how jumping on the breakup train the moment someone does something she remotely dislikes is going to leave her miserable.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/02/19 08:23 PM
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And what I’m saying is that’s easier said than done
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 01:36 AM
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I could've picked one of the other ones I tested ...except most people don't get to pick and choose. No guy has all possible options to pick from and most guys have very few. Of course it's easy to have an abundance mentality when you meet cool chicks who are into you on the reg. Most guys aren't in that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 11:02 PM
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Nope. Not that much of a scumbag.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 10:24 PM
1

25 YO 16 19 2 FWBs Does 19 count? Black
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 01:08 AM
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Wasn't talking about RP, more the abundance mentality. From my perspective at least. It's good to have a circle of people outside of your relationship, but flirting around just to make your partner jealous is a bad look.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 01:01 PM
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Uh, no. The only time a guy doing what a woman wants is actually beneficial for him is when she's already into him. Women don't want every single guy to play his cards right. That would be an annoying emotional roller coaster. The whole nonchalance thing is misconstrued. What's attractive isn't not giving a fuck, it's what that attitude signals. The two actual truths are that: 1. Women want a guy who's so appealing by default that he doesn't have to give a fuck. 2. A guy who doesn't get worked u…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 01:00 PM
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Not really RP but in my experience it's really only important when you're single and trying to sleep around or trying to woo someone. Doesn't really apply to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 05:02 PM
3

Doing what women want you to do =/= doing what makes you attractive to women
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 02:15 PM
2

This makes no sense at all. What does independence have to do with behavior that’s attractive to women? They’re not even remotely mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 01:30 PM
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...that’s why I said the porn part was correct
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 05:01 PM
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Yeah, this is about 75% incorrect. The porn part is on point, but it's a mix of hypergamy and a major increase in people who have little to no social interaction, especially men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 04:38 PM
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Right? This isn't the court of law. Refusal to answer tends to imply the worst of the options.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/01/19 02:05 PM
1

Honestly I’ve been mostly lifting to maintain since college, with the exception of a couple muscle groups. It’s possible lifting so early increased my testosterone levels, but I think it’s just genes. I stopped growing at 16 like my uncle whereas my dad had a late growth spurt. I also have an appetite that dwarfs my metabolism which is common on my moms side of the family.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 01:01 PM
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It actually took me a while to realize this. This will probably come across as humble bragging but so be it. I've been lifting since before I hit puberty. My dad is skinny and I look a lot like him so I figured my broader shoulders were my own doing, and anyone who couldn't get them wasn't trying hard enough. Turns out my physiology is more like my uncle, who of course has a wider frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 02:32 AM
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Results are a major motivator. Why keep going to the gym when you're just going to look like shit anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 01:59 AM
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I don't think this is it. I've had kind of a similar thing with a girl where I work. We'd never really talked at length- really just exchanging pleasantries and names- but I'm pretty good at reading cues and she'd given some MAJOR "I think you're hot" vibes. She's also short and blonde, which tends to be the type most interested in me (I'm also blond and not tall.) I finally had a chance to really talk to her at the gym when she was walking on the treadmill and I was about to do my cool down. I …
/r/seduction24/01/19 05:50 PM
2

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take
/r/seduction22/01/19 10:43 PM
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Not gonna lie that just sounds exhausting, especially considering how low my standards are
/r/seduction22/01/19 07:10 PM
2

When I played football there were some dudes who never touched a weight in their lives and came in putting up more than I could. Strength is way easier to improve than most other physical characteristics. But people absolutely can be born with a much greater tendency toward musculature.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 02:51 PM
2

True about the sedentary lifestyle, but good genetics can give you an ideal body with a fairly moderate level of physical activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 02:47 PM
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Biologically, it makes sense that women want a guy who doesn't have to put in a ton of effort to be muscular because that's what's going to get passed on to the offspring. If someone is naturally skinny-fat but spends six days in the gym and takes supplements to get ripped, those efforts won't make his children any more fit. That's why when asked I say I go for 45 minutes 3 days a week and leave it at that. I don't mention the part about how my physique was mostly built in high school when I was…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/19 10:54 PM
2

Breaking things off?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 02:58 PM
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Well you said it yourself; that isn't really shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 02:51 PM
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Minus the opiates I'm in a pretty similar boat. I'm just a very low energy person in general. It really doesn't take much to wear me out, and I need ADHD meds to even go for a night out and stay up past 11 pm. I'm also in my own head a lot which makes unexpected opportunities even more difficult to seize.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 02:46 PM
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Eh that's just "nice guy" trope guys getting mad that someone doesn't want to sleep with them. She's either a slut or a prude.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 02:36 PM
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I’ve yet to see any social stigma around virgin women. At least not from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 02:01 PM
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I’ve yet to see any social stigma around virgin women. At least not from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 02:00 PM
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My issue is that by default I’m a very unpleasant person. I’m neurotic, anxious, over-emotional and self-absorbed. It takes a lot of energy just to suppress all that. Flirting amplifies it because the end game is more than just pleasant conversation. And yeah I’m 5’9/10 (depending on who’s asking) and while it’s not cripplingly short, I’m still at a huge disadvantage when there are taller guys around. I know it’s not my imagination. Anyway, I guess my point is that most guys, for one reason or a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 01:57 PM
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I do live in the US. The only real difference I've noticed (been to the UK a few times) is that women here are weirdly obsessed with height, so there's a decent population who won't sleep with me regardless of how I look, what I say, how I act etc. Aside from that I'm probably a 7.5, maybe an 8 at my absolute peak. But it sounds to me like you're someone with high levels of both experience and social energy, which increases your odds immensely. Most guys just don't have the time, energy, or pati…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 01:31 PM
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Yeah, this is false. I'm 25, and at the risk of sounding pompous, fairly good looking and reasonably socially apt. I've dated girls in my league, but casual sex with someone in my league is way, way more difficult. If you're referring exclusively to dating then yeah, you have it summed up fairly well. But I'm referring to sex in general, casual or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 01:06 PM
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Cool. I'm not talking about you specifically.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 07:09 PM
4

High value meaning the women considered the most desirable by the majority of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:48 PM
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Not girls in general, but specifically "higher value" women. I don't have a major problem getting girls in general either. But there exists a large population of women who would spring for some 6'3 perfect specimen immediately on a night out, while I'd have to wine, dine, listen, and a laundry list of other things in order to even receive consideration
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 04:50 PM
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That's not what I'm saying. There are ways to help make up for not being gorgeous. But all else being equal, the amount of work a fairly attractive guy has to put in is astronomical compared to a very attractive guy. And when I say work, I don't mean work aimed towards making oneself more appealing. I mean work done directly to get the girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 03:20 PM
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I think it’s amplified in modern dating though. The same girl who has a ONS with a 9/10 the first night will require a 7/10 to spend money, time, and commitment over the course of weeks or months to get to the same place. And even still her enthusiasm won’t be the same. 5/10 won’t get the time of day. Not quite the same as having to study 6 hours instead of 4 because you have trouble grasping the concept. Family money is really the best comparison. Well off kid gets to spend all his time studyin…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 02:44 PM
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Altruism is more common among animals with a strong sense of community. Since they’re so tight-nit, they benefit more from an “everyone helps” mindset than they would protecting their own individual offspring. Including outsiders helps prevent inbreeding. Not all animals/cultures are like that. There’s very little sense of local community in modern culture. We’re generally wired to ensure the survival of our genes, and ours alone, and such a dynamic in the western world only furthers that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 12:38 PM
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Explain
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 01:50 PM
1

So buying a used car is the same as buying a new car because the new car will eventually be used?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 12:36 PM
3

Yeah I think “Chad” has more to do with visual appearance and “alpha” personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 12:16 PM
1

Just curious, what do you mean by "wanting more than the guys I chose could give"?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 02:58 PM
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Exactly why height is valued more than being in shape, even though evolutionarily it shouldn’t be. With the rise of gym culture, a good body is now something most guys can achieve through effort. But strength that is worked for won’t be passed on to offspring. Height, however, is innate and something that can’t truly be faked or worked for.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 01:18 PM
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Sorry, but vulnerability in general is a turn off to women. But of course refusing to seek help doesn't do any good if you suck at hiding your suffering. Unless a man is driven to suicide due to an individual event (cheating spouse, fired from work, financial ruin,) or a mental illness is the MAIN reason for his suffering, most of the time the circumstances driving him to despair will not go away if he simply gets "help."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 04:05 PM
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No shit. You don't hear guys calling themselves or other guys a "fuckboi."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 03:19 PM
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Men don't pursue help because help is rarely offered and rarely useful. Suicide hotlines don't solve anything only prolong the inevitable at best. A man who makes himself too vulnerable is often quietly shunned and avoided, especially by women. "Toxic masculinity" didn't come out of fucking nowhere. There's a reason it exists and usually prevails.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 01:29 PM
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It's like an overweight person telling someone who struggles to afford food that their life is hard too and hungry people should have empathy for them.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/01/19 01:16 PM
3

Makes sense. My question is why they'd be illegal in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 05:17 PM
3

I don't think there's a consistent definition for "real man." Its usage is too self-contradictory. If a man were to fulfill all the duties of the title, he would have to be level-headed, dominant, and controlling while at the same time sensitive, passive, and obedient. It's used as a No True Scotsman, gatekeeping type of fallacy to persuade and manipulate men by taking advantage of their egos. And it's used frequently by both genders. So the question kind of falls flat, because there's no agreed…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 02:09 AM
0

Not sure why this is hard to believe. I'm an asshole but I'm not a cheater.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/19 01:40 AM
2

A little broad. You can have someone like me, who knows the rules and generally benefits from them, but understands and sympathizes with those who don't benefit, and simply plays the game because it's what he's familiar with and knows he can't change the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 06:42 PM
1

Seems like that would be the opposite problem. Too much pragmaticism can blind you to what IS different about your situation, and can keep you from finding someone special when you assume all men/women are the same. Also relationships are about emotion, and while logic can lead one to a worthwhile choice, a relationship with no passion is doomed from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 06:38 PM
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I actually agree with this. It doesn't even necessarily apply to just marriage, but a guy in a relationship in general. When I was with my ex-gf the amount of pussy thrown my way was staggering compared to what it was otherwise. And no I didn't cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/19 02:25 PM
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I think more common than the crazy chick is the bossy controlling chick. Maybe it's because crazy is harder to spot but I see tons of dudes pussy whipped by some mean bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/19 03:23 AM
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People never think they'll be part of a trend until they are. Everyone thinks they're special, their partner is special, their relationship is special etc. Meanwhile common psychological heuristics lead the outgroup to usually be considered a monolith. So when someone has consistently shitty taste, it's easy for them to perceive said group (all men, all women) as the problem. While in reality, something like an entire gender varies more than usually thought, and a recurrent issue is much more li…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 04:59 PM
2

It depends on when you get started. I was too scared to make any moves in high school, so I'm sure I weirded out some girls early on in college while I was finding my bearings.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 04:39 PM
3

Projecting much? This has nothing to do with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 12:48 AM
2

We were 21/22. We both did, and it was a location issue. I’m not anywhere near ready for a family either.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/01/19 06:36 PM
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"IRL, I've met men at various social events, but many behave like teenagers, some without the gumption to even ask me out. Others think pasta at their place or wine at mine constitutes putting their best foot forward on a first date" Ah the glorious choosing beggar.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/01/19 05:00 PM
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But oh boy, how could you pass up an opportunity to financially support someone who openly thinks she's too good for you?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/01/19 04:33 PM
3

It depends on whether you're trying to pursue a relationship with this woman. If you're just hooking up with her, there's really no reason to tell her. It won't help you in any way and there's a chance she won't think it's worth it to deal with an inexperienced guy. Just get drunk and that'll be your excuse for any missteps. If you're interested in her for more than just sex, tell her. Dishonesty would be a lot more damaging than inexperience in that scenario.
/r/seduction02/01/19 03:51 PM
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Some average guys are, some aren't. In the end, a guy of average appeal (looks, status, charisma) isn't going to get laid regularly outside of a relationship unless he's spending a ton of time and effort. At that point it becomes a question of "how badly do you want sex," and in more cases than not, I see guys giving in and committing fairly early on.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/01/19 11:06 PM
21

That I can do
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen31/12/18 02:37 AM
6

Mutual graduation breakup. We had very different postgrad plans.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/12/18 12:28 PM
13

I actually had a great relationship with a girl who had some of the worst daddy issues I’ve ever heard of.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/12/18 10:21 AM
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I've never seen anything stating that lower pitch = attraction. Only the opposite.
/r/seduction27/12/18 09:11 PM
2

Probably some of both. Realize that women who HAVE dealt with abuse are also more likely to share. The women who've had a healthy abuse-free dating life aren't commenting "Hey I've never been abused, hope that helps!" But another thing I've seen as that any guy that was a dick was "gaslighting" or "emotionally abusive."
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/12/18 04:18 PM
2

My experiences aren't the basis for my viewpoint. They simply support it. Studies show women find a smaller percentage of men attractive than men do women. Now, physical attractiveness is only one part of the equation, but it's the most significant factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 02:41 AM
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What are you talking about. He's saying realistically a woman (or a man) should look to date someone who brings similar "quality" to the table that they do. Not more. Not less. No one is telling women to date down. They're telling women to have realistic standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 02:17 AM
3

Maybe your social circle is different. These are trends; they don't necessarily apply to every individual person.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 02:10 AM
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Some women learn to do that. But the portion of women who don't is still significant enough to make a difference. I've met many of women who tell me they won't settle for someone who isn't more attractive than they are (perhaps worded differently but the same idea.) It's pretty rare for a guy to be that deluded once he gets out of his teens.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/18 01:38 AM
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Everything is relative. The only point of reference we have for someone being "attractive" is how they compare to the rest of the population. That's why it's just as easy for a rich person to be miserable as it is for a working class person. Their reactions to the events in their lives are relative to what they're accustomed to. A bad day for someone with an awesome life might be the best day of a less fortunate person's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 11:50 PM
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That's very false and very true at the same time. Men and women's standards for LTR's end up being about the same, but only once they reach equillibrium. In adolescence, both men and women usually have very high standards. That's why you see tons of kids with crushes on the most popular boy/girl in school. However, as they grow up, the slowly learn their own value and the type of partner they're capable of being with. On average, this happens much slower for women due to casual sex and male/fema…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/18 11:43 PM
2

Yeah I got a little carried away The points would be If you want the whole package (tasty, healthy - attractive, relationship material) you either need to be wealthy (attractive) or learn to cook (put in extra work.) If you don't have enough to offer, you have to choose between junk food that tastes good but is bad for you in the long term (attractive P&D) or healthy food that doesn't (low value partner.) Healthy food (low value partner) is harder to stomach when you're used to eating junk (P&D.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 04:39 PM
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I think a better metaphor would be this. Mr. West shops at a standard grocery store. He never learned how to cook, so he has to buy foods that are easy to prepare. He is working class and has a limited food budget. Prepared items that are both healthy and tasty are too expensive for him, so he has to choose between nutritious and delicious when shopping. He starts off buying tasty things that he enjoys. Pizza. Chicken tenders. Ice Cream. But after a while he realizes that these foods have made h…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/18 03:42 PM
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I tried lowering my standards! I want a guy who’s sane, 6’3 and handsome with a job but I’m settling for insane, 6’3 and handsome without a job!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/12/18 01:59 PM
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Yes, but men don’t become “old” in the eyes of women as quickly as women do to men. A 35 year old man has more willing dating partners than a 35 year old woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 04:24 PM
2

“Stupid about things” is subjective. Point is guys are more careful nowadays. And yes that’s usually how it works, which is why playing hard to get is so stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:35 PM
3

"Swipe left on that guy"
/r/seduction17/12/18 01:08 AM
1

I don't doubt that. But 1. I'm talking about me personally and 2. I know it's not foolproof and doesn't work for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:44 AM
1

Maybe you're more careful with how you present yourself, but it's not tough to come up with an educated guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/18 12:22 AM
2

How casually she talks about sex, men, and related topics. Timelines with past relationships, how she talks about those past relationships, how she talks about her friends and social life. It's not foolproof but you learn as you go. We'd discuss sexual topics at my college job, and it turned out a coworker I thought had a more significant past had only slept with two guys. So it's really just guesswork.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 11:53 PM
4

Playing hard to get doesn't simply mean not having sex right away. It's acting disinterested and "forcing" the guy to pursue. Except nowadays it usually backfires because men are taught that being persistent is harassment. You can communicate your interest in someone without sleeping with them, but that's not what OP is referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 11:48 PM
1

I have yet to meet a 10 with a personality I think would be a good fit for me
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 10:19 PM
3

Except a woman who isn't needy and demanding brings a lot to the table by default. In order to have that level of self-reliance she must have her shit together to some extent. She has a job and doesn't need to be financially supported, she has interests and doesn't need to be constantly entertained, she has friends and doesn't need constant attention, she can control her emotions and doesn't need someone to put up with mood swings, etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 10:12 PM
1

You guess based on language she uses to describe her past
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 10:03 PM
1

Everyone’s experience is different. These are trends, but there’s a reason they’re trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/18 12:31 AM
3

The issue is that everyone tends to think their relationship is special. No one thinks they'll be part of a trend until they are. I think there are multiple factors as to why higher N count makes for less stable relationships. Insecurity is one of them. Part of it is reverse causation: that women who don't make good partners tend to sleep around more. But there definitely exist a population of women who, deep down, feel they have settled in their LTR because of past experiences with guys they co…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/18 10:54 PM
119

“I may believe in equality, but I also love traditions.” I may believe in equality when it benefits me, but I also love traditions when they benefit me.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/12/18 09:20 PM
6

Being nice is neither a positive, nor a negative. For every immature girl who is legitimately turned off by kindness (they absolutely exist,) there is one who won't tolerate a guy who isn't nice to her. A man's value is almost completely independent of how nice he is. The reason people attribute niceness to failure and "being a dick" to success, is that men who have less value overall tend to compensate by being nice. If a guy is unappealing AND rude, a woman has no reason to even associate with…
/r/seduction11/12/18 09:54 PM
3

Exactly, and it applies to both getting into a relationship and maintaining one. Each is a developed social skill on its own.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/12/18 10:43 PM
9

Absolutely. But they tend to stay single longer. Heck, I’m no Chad but I can get laid relatively consistently and feel zero rush to settle down, despite most women my age looking for a LTR.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/12/18 02:06 PM
25

I agree with most of this, except the ending. Most of these men DO go for a relationship. The issue is that because of what you mentioned, they aren’t ready. They’ve had few, if any, romantic experiences and have had no opportunities to be accountable to someone other than themselves. They aren’t used to it, while female partners expect it. Then as you said, the other side of the coin are guys who don’t want to settle down because they don’t HAVE to. They can get sex without committing, and slee…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/12/18 01:36 PM
8

No. There are millions of double standards that benefit women and you don't cry about those. Not wanting a promiscuous partner is not sexist. It's amazing to still see this argument. My idea of a high N count is more lenient than most on here, but there's a reason men are praised and women are shamed for sleeping around. 95+% of men can't passively be studs. It takes effort. If you're a woman who wants to get laid all you have to do is stay in adequate shape, throw on some makeup, go out somewhe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 09:32 PM
14

Ex-girlfriend from college, sweetest girl you'll ever meet, wouldn't harm a fly, told me she almost turned me down the night we met because of the shirt I was wearing. It had the kool aid man on it.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/12/18 05:46 PM
6

Could be either, could be both. The fact that she seems so oblivious means it's probably both. I'm a pretty sympathetic, non-sexist person, but the way men and women approach dating failures is staunch. When a guy struggles, he usually looks introspectively, changes up his strategy, tries to improve himself etc. When a woman struggles, she tends to think that dating is too hard, that there aren't enough good single men, that only assholes are attracted to her.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/12/18 01:56 PM
22

The balls on that lass! But seriously good on you dude!
/r/seduction02/12/18 05:47 PM
1

Except it shifts the scale for everyone. When more average girls sleep around with good looking guys, average guys then are forced to settle for ugly girls, who then want nothing to do with ugly guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 01:39 AM
1

Because when more women choose casual sex with attractive guys over relationships with average guys, the ugly-to-average dudes are left with the short end of the stick.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 01:26 AM
2

Not an incel but I'll try to answer as accurately as possible. I'm not saying I agree with the "casual sex is bad" narrative but I get where they come from. The issue is that most sluts don't fuck down. In fact, when a slutty girl is willing to sleep with a guy no strings attached, it allows her to fuck mostly guys more attractive than she is. Whereas a "good girl" who sticks to long term dating is generally going to be with guys who are more at her level of attractiveness. This causes two probl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/18 12:28 AM
3

Not a fan. On dating apps women often learn they can be blunt and straightforward and still get what they want. I'd see it the same way I see someone who sugarcoats it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 07:14 PM
6

I get what you're saying but that has nothing to do with free speech
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/18 03:01 AM
1

At this point the word "incel" has such toxic connotations that I'm not sure any real discourse can be achieved. As someone who isn't an incel, but sympathizes more than most, I think the whole black pill/hypergamy thing needs rebranding. It's a real issue that's leading to increased romantic dissatisfaction, not only among both incel and non-incel men, but women as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/18 03:09 PM
10

Guys like sex, and nice gestures don’t get guys laid anymore. It’s not hard to figure out. There are guys who are simps, but 1. They haven’t figured out that doing favors won’t get them anywhere and 2. They’re clearly not attractive to women because they’ve never been able to get a woman without some grand gesture.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/11/18 12:59 PM
6

Simps
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/11/18 12:53 PM
3

It’s important to understand where you stand with a partner because of what it means down the road. Comparing sexual experiences with her exes may not be worth it in and of itself, but it gives you insight as to how she actually sees you. How satisfied is she? How attractive are you to her? How much is she willing to sacrifice for your happiness? Relationships are about all of these things. If they’re not present, chances are at some point she’ll have second thoughts. She knows what it’s like to…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 01:01 PM
1

That’s fair
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 11:29 AM
4

There are limits, sure, but this is not true. There’s a sweet spot of sexual experience where a guy knows what he’s doing but isn’t sticking his dick in anything that moves. That said, being a virgin is more of a death sentence than being a man whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 11:29 AM
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Because it doesn't jell with what women actually value. Most women prefer a man with more sexual experience, not only because it's better for her pleasure, but because it reaffirms that other women find her choice of partner appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/18 02:09 AM
4

The whole "tight is just dry and not aroused" is wrong. But I think I know what he's talking about when he says "too wet." It's not that she's too wet, it's that she's turned on to the point of "loosening up" which does reduce pleasure for the guy. It coincides with being super wet which is probably why he's confused. It doesn't apply to all women but I've had it happen before (from the guy standpoint)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 01:11 PM
2

F
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 10:19 PM
3

I do all those things and am still incredibly unpleasant to be around. Thank god I’m not ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 12:19 PM
23

The issue is that when women do take initiative, it's with guys who are way out of their league. Way too many women I've met are trying to date up. Then one of three things happens: they get politely rejected, the guy says he doesn't want anything serious but they try to change his mind, or he lies and they get pumped and dumped. No guy attractive enough to have women approach HIM is going to settle for someone when he can sleep with multiple women who are as good or better than she is. The virg…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/11/18 11:37 PM
1

I'd say don't go with the intention of "seduction" or even getting a phone number. The first step is to get comfortable talking to women you don't know period, and it's easiest for both parties if you have no intentions beyond a simple greeting. Your first goal should be to go out somewhere and just say something to a woman who catches your eye. It could be anything, as long as it's casual and not suggestive. If you see she's buying something you like, say "aren't those ___ so good?" If she has …
/r/seduction08/11/18 05:50 PM
91

Weed is NOT CONDUCIVE to one’s love life. After a couple instances where the paranoia/weirdness of being high made me lose someone’s interest, I stopped smoking before social situations altogether. Weed is great. But it makes you everything you want to avoid while meeting women: lazy, complacent, distracted, and paranoid.
/r/seduction05/11/18 01:00 PM
1

Exactly. I have a couple guys I’d consider true friends. Everyone else is just someone to do stuff with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/18 11:56 AM
1

No, but what I consider a high count is probably higher than most guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/18 11:54 AM
8

It’s been hijacked by the nice guy types to apply to any girl that isn’t interested but lets them down nicely. But saying it doesn’t exist is fucking stupid. There are only two requirements: one person has romantic interest in the other, and the other likes the first person but only as a friend. It’s not rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/18 11:51 AM
-2

I'm 90% sure this is a joke
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/10/18 12:14 PM
9

"I'm going to act like a complete psycho but I still want you to buy me nice things"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/10/18 02:32 PM
1

Uhhh
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 11:27 AM
32

Jealousy, wanting what she can’t have. When you take a toy that a child isn’t playing with away, all of a sudden they want that toy. There’s inherent value in the desire of other women.
/r/seduction18/10/18 01:29 PM
11

I have a feeling you’re going to be disappointed
/r/seduction18/10/18 11:41 AM
6

Because he's built up your image of him enough to where a moment like that doesn't make as significant an impact. He had a moment (or two) of emotional openness; that doesn't mean he's an emotionally open person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 11:52 PM
8

Spot on. I really don't get it. It should be common knowledge that the guys who are willing to hook up with you aren't the same as the ones willing to date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 11:05 PM
7

Yup. Any single sign of weakness is unattractive to 95% of women. I hear so much about girls wanting a guy emotional availability, but that's what they have friends for, male and female. The reality is they get fed up with guys being stoic or insensitive, but when if a guy does open up, he loses that image of confidence and infallibility. For skeptics, this isn't me being bitter either. In my one past relationship, I was actually able to open up without being thought less of. She was a sweet gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/18 10:58 PM
18

My advice? Invite me
/r/seduction16/10/18 02:21 PM
18

Who cares? Women care.
/r/seduction16/10/18 01:06 PM
2

I know what you meant
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 12:11 PM
4

What about Chad off the street
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/18 11:25 AM
1

As long as she isn’t mentally unstable
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/18 12:37 PM
1

I think that tags more socialism than fiscal liberalism. Though frankly being "fiscally liberal" has become more and more to the fringe left. I like the free market, well when it's properly regulated that is. Not this Citizens United corporate worship BS we have right now. I think socialism is best saved for things that absolutely need it. But supply side economics is the biggest scam of the last century. How so many people keep buying into something that fails every time it's used shows how ign…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 02:59 PM
1

Fiscal conservatism is just as stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/18 01:33 AM
2

Just because she doesn't do it doesn't mean she isn't interested, but a head tilt, either forward or to the side, is a good sign.
/r/seduction06/10/18 12:52 AM
2

Lol sorry but nihilism is not a political argument
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:54 PM
1

Many of the things that American republicans cry “scary socialism!” at are present in those countries. Universal health care, college tuition etc. I’m actually a pretty big free market guy for a lib. For me socialism should only be used when absolutely necessary. I just think anyone who uses the Venezuela argument belongs on a short bus.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 05:47 PM
11

More welfare babies for the conservatives to whine about
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 03:40 PM
7

Are you larping or just retarded? Socialism isn't an are we or aren't we thing. It's a sliding scale. The US already practices socialism. The military, public infrastructure, public schools, medicare etc etc. You're thinking of a socialist state, which no one except truly crazy people want. Funny how Venezuela is always brought up. All South American governments are corrupt. How about England, Sweden, Denmark, France, Ireland, Norway, Canada, Portugal, Finland, etc. All more socialist than the U…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:34 PM
5

It doesn't take a nuke to destroy a country. He still has two more years to pollute our water and deregulate our economy back to '08 levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 02:25 PM
9

How to be a trump supporter: -Risk destroying country by voting for insane geriatric to spite people you don’t like -Accuse opposition of being unpatriotic
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 12:48 PM
6

To be fair, most women have sexual experiences with men they aren’t good enough to date. Most men do not have that experience with women. It’s rare that someone from either gender gets to date or marry their “first choice.” But men understand who might be unrealistic for them better than women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 01:29 PM
2

No idea because I don’t chase, but I think it has to do with the myth of playing hard to get and being stuck in old fashioned ways of thinking. They’ve probably never had one night stands, so their understanding of women is that they have to be earned and worked for. Because it’s all they’ve ever been able to do. In reality 90%+ of women will fuck the first night if the guy and the circumstances are right, and 90%+ of the time if a woman isn’t interested in a guy right off the bat, she never wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 12:17 PM
5

r/humblebrag Edit: just realized this was a parody. Won’t delete it because reaction comparisons are important.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 12:04 PM
3

First you have to find single women who actually have hobbies.
/r/seduction14/09/18 01:31 PM
1

Under normal circumstances yeah of course. But she agreed to meet, off bumble. If she’s not interested she can back out at any point with no repercussions and easily find a guy she does like. Some girls just don’t put in the effort.
/r/seduction13/09/18 11:29 AM
2

This. If you ignore someone or act dejected, it's a reflection of who you are as a person. It shows them that you're weak, sensitive, thin-skinned etc. Is this fair? Not at all. But women want guys with experience, both sexually and socially. Letting one rejection get to you is a sign that you're wet behind the ears. Smile and say hi as if you're still looking for the opportunity to ask them out. Don't expect her to change her mind, but she can still be someone you're friendly with. And if down …
/r/seduction06/09/18 06:10 PM
3

Yup. Gay guys find a wider range of men attractive than women do as well.
/r/seduction22/08/18 10:15 AM
3

When a girl says she doesn’t want to be slutty, it’s not that she doesn’t want to do slutty things. In reality she doesn’t want to be made to feel like a slut. She doesn’t want to feel like the only connection she has with you is sexual. She wants you to work for it on a personal level so she won’t feel ashamed about sleeping with you.
/r/seduction17/08/18 02:47 PM
1

It's dumb and shallow but it unfortunately is a thing. Most aren't outwardly rude about it but some feel the need to be for whatever reason.
/r/seduction14/08/18 09:50 PM
1

Some women treat short guys with literal disgust. It’s even more likely to be the case if you’re young and otherwise attractive. I hope I’m wrong but I’m willing to bet that’s what it is. Especially if you’re from the US or Canada.
/r/seduction14/08/18 07:21 PM
1

Are you short?
/r/seduction14/08/18 02:08 PM
62

"By myself" "With a group of friends"
/r/seduction11/08/18 03:57 PM
1

Your odds will be better with shorter girls, but there’s no reason not to try.
/r/seduction10/08/18 02:25 PM
4

Not to mention it can hurt you in the long run. Say you’re trying to get with someone, and she ends up being friends with a girl you ghosted in the past. No doubt she’ll shit talk you and drastically reduce the chances of you closing the deal.
/r/seduction06/08/18 01:59 PM
34

You’re pretty good at this. Great example of fun flirting.
/r/seduction02/08/18 01:14 PM
4

I think another part of it is that women consider a smaller percentage of men “attractive” than men do women. You might be better looking than 75% of guys but still be seen by most as average.
/r/seduction25/07/18 11:10 AM
0

This. The key when using tinder (or bumble but especially tinder) is to remember that any decent looking girl will be talking to 5+ guys at once. Be attention grabbing even if it’s risky. You’re competing with other guys, some of whom will be better looking than you are.
/r/seduction22/07/18 03:19 PM
3

You’re already on reddit. Subscribe to some subs that interest you and that can give you some knowledge that others might find interesting. Learn about things. The other person might not care but the goal is to find someone who does.
/r/seduction22/07/18 02:48 PM
23

Try instagram. If not, there's the tried and true technique of taking her to starbucks so they ask for her name when she orders.
/r/seduction15/07/18 12:21 PM
3

r/humblebrag
/r/seduction15/07/18 11:54 AM
1

Invite them to do something outside of class? The longer you wait, the more likely you are to be perceived as wanting to be friends. Unless you DO want to be friends if things don't work out, establish that early and clearly.
/r/seduction12/07/18 09:15 PM
8

God damn this is so true. I’ve spent too much time with people who either aren’t fun or don’t bring out the best in me. Then recently I visited an old friend who was always a blast to go out with. He saw that I kept making eye contact with a girl at the next table, waiting for an opportunity. So since he was physically closer, he jutted in their conversation to give me the assist and I ended up getting her number. I have no problem initiating but man does it help to not have to do it alone. Havi…
/r/seduction27/06/18 01:39 PM
1

I dress well and have a pretty thorough morning hygiene routine. It's less about physical or morning preparation and more about mental preparation in the moment. I wake up knowing I'm going to see attractive women because there are tons of them where I work. I have no problem chatting them up under most circumstances and have done so before. Let's narrow it down to this one girl. Pretty much the only times I see her are when I unexpectedly run into her every so often. It's taxing to mentally pre…
/r/seduction11/06/18 10:10 PM
2

. This is the best collection of advice tips I’ve seen. Direct but not scummy. Thanks for posting +1.
/r/seduction07/06/18 01:54 PM
1

First I think you completely misinterpreted everything about my post. There is no "no pick up rate" of 75%. What I mean is that 75% someone is working, asleep, in a quiet public place, in class etc. where they can't pick up their phone. But even beyond that, I'm talking about women you've just met or have just started talking to. Nothing about relationships.
/r/seduction03/06/18 05:16 PM
4

So you really just up and call people? Most people I know can’t take calls 75% of the time.
/r/seduction03/06/18 03:55 PM
8

Are you an old man? No one calls anyone anymore.
/r/seduction03/06/18 01:28 AM
1

go on...
/r/seduction29/05/18 07:47 PM
1

I needed to hear this. One thing I’m good at is not being a creep. I’ve only been straight up rejected a couple times, bc usually I’ll at least get a number before they make it clear they’re not interested. Guess I gotta just keep jumping in the pool
/r/seduction29/05/18 06:27 PM
2

Fr? I always imagined they were sausage fests with 50 nerdy guys hitting on every cute cosplayer.
/r/seduction29/05/18 06:18 PM
3

Appreciate the advice. What to say is rarely the problem for me- I'm good at not making things sexual too quickly. Maybe a little too good. Dating apps aren't really an option. I'm decent looking but just under the threshold to have any real success, and don't have enough friends for a good selection of pictures that show off my best qualities. Talking to strangers is definitely something I'm working on. Male or female. I'm just lonely overall so both offer something.
/r/seduction29/05/18 04:41 PM
1

I live in Atlanta. Hobbies would be making music (hip-hop/electronic,) football, anything related to fitness, pokemon & anime (probably not going to pursue that one,) and psychology. I've fully accepted that I have to go about this alone and I've looked into some stuff on the meetup website.
/r/seduction29/05/18 04:36 PM
1

I don't have any friends. Well, more like the few friends I do have I made in college and are spread around the country.
/r/seduction29/05/18 04:35 PM
1

Definitely helpful. When I think about going to places like yoga and dance classes, all I can imagine is that I'm seen as a guy who's just doing it to meet chicks. Which isn't necessarily false. Hopefully being in shape will give them the impression that I'm in it for more than getting my flirt on.
/r/seduction29/05/18 01:04 PM
1

I'm tactful enough to know what and what not to say. But right now confidence is hard to come by and I rarely, rarely have it in me to approach someone when they're clearly there to do a job.
/r/seduction29/05/18 11:33 AM
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