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Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
9	Debating Feminism = Equality	Questions	_visionary_	/r/MensRights	24/06/15 02:11 AM

Upvotes	Comment on	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
43	It's 2014: Why Are Men Still Paying for First Dates? “As social roles start to change, people often embrace the changes that make their lives easier, but resist the changes that make their lives more difficult.” If this isn't a succinct explanation for feminism's hypocrisy, very little else is.	/r/MensRights	07/09/15 01:47 PM
3	Gawker on the VA shooting That's just not true. Civilizing meat heads doesn't affect CEOs and inventors. The two of extremes of maleness aren't co-dependent. That's some high class speculation right there. And the "extremes" of maleness aren't "meat-head" versus "CEO and inventor". "Hyper-masculine" competitiveness is a hallmark of both, often times expressed in incredibly similar ways.	/r/MensRights	29/08/15 12:20 AM
6	Gawker on the VA shooting And a similar statement holds true for blacks regardless of gender, especially when normalized to population size of the cohort. Yet you're calling for moderation on using "black" as a class, but not for "men". Why is that? That's neither fair nor logically consistent. The hypocritical application of judiciousness on the part of feminists when it comes to race but not gender would be merely stunning were it not so tragically part of mainstream discourse.	/r/MensRights	29/08/15 12:03 AM
5	Gawker on the VA shooting Well, to be fair men are overwhelmingly the perpetrators of murder in the US. You can't write this off a "blacks" problem. Just showing that yet you are, two posts up the chain earlier, giving credence to writing this as a "men's" problem using the EXACT SAME LOGIC people are using to show how it could be a "blacks" problem. On some level, this blatant logical hypocrisy of feminists when viewing the same data on racial versus gender terms is infuriating and one of the reasons why the MRM is so m…	/r/MensRights	28/08/15 11:17 PM
3	Feminism The implicit message is that the women in the picture aren't oppressed Because it's precisely true. THOSE women, with their designer bags stepping around a man working on the ground upon which they're walking, are most certainly NOT oppressed in that photograph, yet feminism would say that they were merely because they were female. That's baseless, and utterly inverted, but a testament to how batshit insane that ideology has become. In addition, you're being incredibly misleading by arguing that…	/r/MensRights	28/08/15 12:13 AM
7	Feminism Men working construction does not invalidate any and all feminist concerns. Honestly, and I'm seriously asking, do you really think the point of that image is that "men working construction invalidates any and all feminist concerns"? You'd have to be willfully obtuse to view it in that manner. The point is that men work incredibly dangerous and physically taxing jobs, oftentimes at great risk to themselves, benefitting women as a cohort tremendously, and that's rarely, if EVER acknowledged by ma…	/r/MensRights	27/08/15 10:34 PM
2	Something inspirational for us here Just because men are "essential" doesn't mean feminism shouldn't exist. Feminists who, you know, started this entire "gender war" against which you're railing (but to MRA's, ironically)? Uh, no, we most certainly DON'T need that ideology.	/r/MensRights	27/08/15 10:30 PM
1	Lesbian Alimony Update: Griner, Johnson in Divorce Court Do you have the link to that study?	/r/MensRights	19/08/15 03:26 PM
2	Feminists: Men Need Consent to Say Hi to Women Do they really think that similar accusations cannot be made about any woman ever? Yes. "Man bad, woman good". If you view these opinions through that lens, virtually everything feminists say becomes consistent.	/r/MensRights	19/08/15 03:22 PM
1	We Forgot About the Boys That's the thing, as time goes by the number of people needed to do what men do now will dramatically decrease. Actually it'll just shift. Men will be needed to fix the robots. On the other hand, imagine what happens to women once artificial uteruses are created?	/r/MensRights	19/08/15 03:18 PM
1	What we are all aiming for (X-post from TrollXChromosomes) A stunningly concise takedown.	/r/MensRights	07/08/15 08:51 PM
1	What we are all aiming for (X-post from TrollXChromosomes) Except the stereotype of traditional masculinity being toxic or that a patriarchy exists?	/r/MensRights	07/08/15 08:50 PM
2	What we are all aiming for (X-post from TrollXChromosomes) I actually think it was pretty fair, given that, as usual, a feminist makes a pretty sweeping claim about what feminism ISN'T, and then not only doesn't disprove the criticism, but simply doesn't respond. Finding the discussion interesting and acknowledging that point aren't mutually exclusive, by the way.	/r/MensRights	07/08/15 08:48 PM
13	What we are all aiming for (X-post from TrollXChromosomes) Nor is there a countervailing "toxic femininity". I mean in my opinion, it's sort of the most insidious part of feminism -- that while arguing that they're not against "Men" and are for "equality" in things, the've defined the root of most evil in the world (toxic masculinity, patriarchy) as something that's commonly associated with "men" without acknowledging or defining any counterbalancing equal "evil" version of things associated with "women". Because to do so would actually do what MRA's an…	/r/MensRights	06/08/15 10:59 PM
9	What we are all aiming for (X-post from TrollXChromosomes) You forgot the second part that's equally important and part of that dictionary definition: "2. organized activity in support of women's rights and interests" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/feminism In other words, if women benefit from an inequality? No need for feminism to intervene. That's utterly contrary to the idea of equality.	/r/MensRights	06/08/15 10:23 PM
10	What we are all aiming for (X-post from TrollXChromosomes) Sort of -- it's presupposing a feminist mindset of how "boys should be" (feminized but simultaneously protective of women) and arguing that's the middle ground. Masculinity being viewed as negative is still being sold as the default. There's no overt additional "girls, celebrate the masculinity of boys and boys, celebrate the femininity of girls" statement that would counterbalance that, which I think quite a few open MRA's would want as well, but very few feminists would.	/r/MensRights	06/08/15 10:19 PM
5	What we are all aiming for (X-post from TrollXChromosomes) Aaaaaaand crickets....as usual.	/r/MensRights	06/08/15 10:13 PM
1	SJWs made a huge list of users posting to subreddits they are against Not comparable, because there's no way to defensively, nonaggressively utilize the "tool" of executing people on a list. I'm not certain what you mean here. I'm not conceding the point that this list can't being used "non-aggressively" like you appear to be. Lists such as these HAVE been used, in tandem, with execution squads in the past. That's obviously hyperbolic (I don't ACTUALLY think they'll execute anyone) but I think your view of this being used "non-aggressively because there's no overt…	/r/MensRights	01/08/15 02:41 PM
2	/r/AskMen responses to "Why don't I see more of you at /r/MensRights? Actually, I'd assert that the question post (and its summary deletion) is far more important than the brainwashed feminist soldiering comments of people who appear to not have taken the time to understand men's rights activism. You can get those sorts of MRA bashing comments anywhere on reddit (and the mainstream media). You generally don't get such a question openly asked without it likely being quickly banned.	/r/MensRights	01/08/15 02:27 AM
1	/r/AskMen responses to "Why don't I see more of you at /r/MensRights? It's so telling that it was removed.	/r/MensRights	01/08/15 02:23 AM
1	SJWs made a huge list of users posting to subreddits they are against Well, they ARE, say, coloring "black" both /r/coontown and /r/redpill, so using your insanely stringent paradigm of analysis, should we assume that it's not "simply" differentiating between "subreddits" and actually DOES overtly conflate two separate ones? Opening the door further than you'd like to admit for them to do that to others in the future? Additionally, I find your logic somewhat naive -- if, say, these people started executing the people on this list starting with /r/coontown and goin…	/r/MensRights	31/07/15 10:19 PM
1	SJWs made a huge list of users posting to subreddits they are against it's not meant to lump them together for offensive use While the tool itself is simply one that can tag people, I actually DO think the reason why these people are using this tool is in part MEANT to lump everyone they disagree with together for offensive use.	/r/MensRights	31/07/15 05:57 PM
1	SJWs made a huge list of users posting to subreddits they are against I mean sure, if it was for what you've stated, then of course. But they've chosen to lump in things like "red pill", "mens rights", and "kia", with "coontown" and "subredditcancer". The only "analytic" paradigm they're using in determining a member list of a "clique" is apparently "people they don't like". It's Bolshevik for the modern era.	/r/MensRights	30/07/15 11:35 PM
66	SJWs made a huge list of users posting to subreddits they are against Pretty sure if people from men's rights were doing the same to feminists and were doing it first, it would "suddenly" become a violation of community guidelines to make such a list.	/r/MensRights	29/07/15 11:13 PM
6	SJWs made a huge list of users posting to subreddits they are against What's intriguing is that all they have to do is look at your comment history. Or ask. But people who adhere to bigoted totalitarian standards MUST come up with a way to brand "other people" from themselves. No joke, but Lenin literally did this with other socialists -- let alone other capitalists -- with whom he had merely minor disagreements (calling them "mensheviks" and blasting their names as being one ideological group despite there being decided differences between the people in said grou…	/r/MensRights	29/07/15 11:12 PM
9	SJWs made a huge list of users posting to subreddits they are against If you're on the list, they'll immediately try to conflate what you think with, say, what someone says on /r/coontown or whatever. So as to hopefully silence people who, say, advocate for boys to not commit suicide (because to them, that's beyond the pale. Only girls should have empathy, etc.).	/r/MensRights	29/07/15 05:42 PM
97	SJWs made a huge list of users posting to subreddits they are against They're trying to conflate everyone they disagree with into one big group, and then they'll try to say that, for instance, anyone on that list supports /r/coontown or something. Because they're all "on the same list". It's a standard Stalinist, and now feminist, technique.	/r/MensRights	29/07/15 05:40 PM
9	SJWs made a huge list of users posting to subreddits they are against I made the list!!!! Honest to god, I would have been so incredibly disappointed if a bunch of bigots didn't have me on their list of enemies.	/r/MensRights	29/07/15 05:38 PM
5	You should know: You're being watched, and branded, for taking part in this subreddit. I mean obviously. They're feminist bigots. Hence, people who try to bring attention to things like the increasing male suicide rate are dangerous to them. In the cathedral whose mantra is "man bad, woman good", we are the worst heretics.	/r/MensRights	28/07/15 11:21 PM
9	Apparently, the comic book world has been successfully colonized by women, with 50% of fans at conventions now female. At least, this is what someone at the GaGa is claiming. It's because liking 'geeky' stuff got easy. Precisely. I remember back when I was in high school, my nerdy buddy who was trying to show me his Magic Cards at lunch was derisively kicked by one of a group of relatively attractive "popular" girls for doing so, and then humiliated by them during our next period class that we shared. Needless to say, on Facebook two of them openly now claim to love The Big Bang Theory because it reflected the trials they went through as "nerds" growing up. And they …	/r/MensRights	26/07/15 04:46 AM
3	Apparently, the comic book world has been successfully colonized by women, with 50% of fans at conventions now female. At least, this is what someone at the GaGa is claiming. Man bad, woman good. Simple, elegant, bigoted, and the current manifesto of the western world.	/r/MensRights	26/07/15 04:43 AM
4	Can someone explain why this sub is obsessed with women? Making circumcision illegal WITHOUT THE CONSENT of the patient would benefit everyone. As it stands, we only give that option to one gender. Wonder which one that is?	/r/MensRights	26/07/15 04:42 AM
6	Can someone explain why this sub is obsessed with women? Shame isn't a successful tactic, in my book It's one of the absolute best tactics to get swaths of people to change their behavior. Why do you think the PC/feminist mob uses it so much?	/r/MensRights	26/07/15 04:40 AM
4	Can someone explain why this sub is obsessed with women? Because when we also bring up legal issues that men face, we wouldn't be able to post it to /r/shittywomen. This isn't hard.	/r/MensRights	26/07/15 04:37 AM
2	I was banned from r/feminism and given absolutely no explanation or response. Any pro woman site will ban you spuriously if you're not sufficiently brainwashed enough to say whatever makes them feel good. That's feminism, 2x, and any of the new aged leftist subs. They can't exactly brainwash people into hating their pet groups (men, white people, america, etc) if they allow people to say "gotta call bs" on their "truths", can they?	/r/MensRights	24/07/15 09:23 PM
2	Feminist responds to Milo's "Sexodus" article I mean, literally that's what the most recent CNN article on men and rape (outside of the recent 24/7 cosby coverage that trumped even Iran at one point) said: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/14/health/campus-serial-rapist-assumption/ "The study found that men could be divided into three groups based on their low, decreasing or increasing likelihood to commit rape across the high school and college years." The best a man can be is apparently a "low likelihood" rape committer.	/r/MensRights	23/07/15 10:34 PM
0	"Some Modest Proposals To Make Marriage Fair for All Men" says author. I think the key issue is that people who actively argued that men are not entitled to sex, a partner, or even love from women, are now vehemently arguing about how awful it is that men wouldn't have an entitled female partner for sex and love in a world of polygamy. Because it's ok to give a shit about men and their romantic needs when it putatively prevents a group you don't like (polygamists) from getting equal rights. Other than that, though, fuck the men and their romantic needs.	/r/MensRights	14/07/15 11:06 PM
5	Study Says 1 in 10 College Men is a Rapist That's probably the most disgusting part of that article and the utterly biased and speculative study. Note how we NEVER do studies on how many men are raped, and then "classify" women as rapists.	/r/MensRights	14/07/15 06:30 PM
9	So it's ok for a woman to not date a man because he's too short but it's not ok for a man to not date a woman because he thinks she's not thin enough? In this environment? Yes. Remember the modern society maxim: man bad, woman good.	/r/MensRights	08/07/15 05:43 PM
3	"You don't need MRM, as Social Conservatives are already working on your issues" ----- says columnist who apparently never heard of the FL Governor's veto of Alimony Reform You realize that it literally doesn't matter what we call ourselves -- people who find advocation for men distasteful will try to discredit and slur us regardless. Indeed, I've found that ANYONE posting about anything that helps men has SOMEONE trying to tie them to some group which they view as being "slur-worthy".	/r/MensRights	07/07/15 02:08 AM
0	Woman use the word "just" a lot more than men and it reveals some classic female psychology Not bad. As an aside, I've heard people use the word "simply" as a synonym for "just" in professional settings.	/r/TheRedPill	04/07/15 04:30 PM
1	Children Are Better Off With a Father Than Without One OP's linked article is from that debate. It's literally called "What are Fathers For?" under the section "Room For Debate". The linked article is 1 of 6 articles. Another article says, literally, "When Children are better off Fatherless", and another says "[Fathers are] Valuable, but not Indispensible". All 6 articles were initially posted the first week of June...right before Father's Day, 2013. It's such an overtly mean spirited and awful thing to say around Father's Day that despite the NY Ti…	/r/MensRights	02/07/15 02:13 AM
3	Children Are Better Off With a Father Than Without One It was an abomination that the NY Times ran that "debate" about whether "fathers were necessary" around Father's Day 2 years ago.	/r/MensRights	01/07/15 10:00 PM
0	X-Post from futurology- What will Race, Gender & Sexuality look like in 250 years from now? I don't buy for a minute the dollar is going away. what would take its place? Whatever currency that can be used to buy a commodity that is needed by everyone, with violators being threatened by overwhelming force. Currently, the US Dollar is safe because everyone needs oil, and it can only be denominated in oil, with violators being threatened by the full force of the US Military. If we end up with, say, a weaker military, or become actually energy independent from oil, then the US dollar will …	/r/TheRedPill	01/07/15 06:21 PM
4	So I got banned from the feminism subreddit The sky is blue.	/r/MensRights	30/06/15 05:41 PM
2	Why this sub needs to stop bashing feminism Again, the definition of feminism is not about gender equality, but about (speciously) "gender equality" through WOMEN'S ADVOCACY. It's literally in the definition google spits out: https://www.google.com/search?q=feminism&oq=feminism&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i65l2j69i59j0j69i61.797j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=91&ie=UTF-8 That part you keep leaving out -- which is understandable because it obliterates your point -- but it's utterly consistent with the way feminists act. They're not doing anything outsi…	/r/MensRights	28/06/15 10:28 PM
5	Why this sub needs to stop bashing feminism Circumcision is an elective procedure. When adults undergo them, they consent to them. I know because I often do them. We make them sign a form. Circumcision on newborn boys is literally the ONLY thing we do for newborns that is permanent and not to prevent immediate life-threatening illness. And no, there are PLENTY of risks to circumcision, to the point where European doctors penned an article in the Journal Pediatrics expressing their condemnation of our treatment of the procedure: http://ped…	/r/MensRights	28/06/15 10:24 PM
3	Why this sub needs to stop bashing feminism Uh, we don't think feminism in its modern incarnation has validity. That doesn't mean we don't think certain women's issues are important. We simply don't believe they're more important than any and all issues that exist in the gender space, many of which include men's issues. If, say, we're talking about gender imbalances in education, then we should be focusing on boys who make up the MINORITY of all attendees, and not girls who make up the minority in a tiny subset (STEM fields). However, if,…	/r/MensRights	28/06/15 10:14 PM
1	Why this sub needs to stop bashing feminism Do you support gender equality? If you do, you're a feminist. Nope. The most charitable definition of a feminist is one who supports gender equality so long as it's through WOMEN'S ADVOCACY. That latter part is literally the most key point out there and what leads to its insane bigotry. If men are being mowed down and killed like grass by machines (or even women) somewhere, that's not something feminism focuses on. Instead, it'll focus on banning the word "Bossy" since it makes some tiny subset …	/r/MensRights	28/06/15 10:06 PM
1	Why this sub needs to stop bashing feminism Most women are aware of the feminist movement and actively say they're not feminist. That's a far cry from men not knowing about the MRM and thus not saying they're supportive of it.	/r/MensRights	28/06/15 10:04 PM
2	Why this sub needs to stop bashing feminism Uh, your argument doesn't make any sense. The first one, for instance -- who cares if the "right to genital integrity" exists in the UDHR; it's NOT being followed SPECIFICALLY AND ONLY FOR BOYS, and such a violation is both legal in the US AND endorsed by the American Academy of Pediatrics. Meanwhile ANY DEGREE of genital surgery to a girl, even a temporary one that's far "safer" than male circumcision is not only considered barbaric, but also a criminal offense, and completely shunned by the AA…	/r/MensRights	28/06/15 10:01 PM
4	Why this sub needs to stop bashing feminism It's still cutting someone's genitals with a permanent action without consent. As an aside, we ban even a temporary cermonial NICK on the clitoral hood of a girl as "FGM", but we allow for a completely permanent removal of a piece of skin from male genitals because, well, they're baby boys, not baby girls, so it be ok, yo. Equality and stuff, or something. And no, it's not "entirely safe" even in the setting of a "trained professional", and yeah, every year there are a non-significant amount of …	/r/MensRights	28/06/15 09:55 PM
1	Why this sub needs to stop bashing feminism This screed is possibly akin to what some well meaning but misguided African American probably said to the civil rights movement at one point.	/r/MensRights	28/06/15 09:51 PM
2	What can we learn from feminism? Considering that feminism is basically utterly dependent on men producing for society (which it then uses to artificially bolster upper middle class women in every possible way), the "learning point" is that the only way to prevent that is for men to stop creating surplus production. Which is effectively what's happening via increased male suicide, incarceration, educational drop out, disability claims, and, ultimately, unemployment. The irony is that plenty of that is due to feminist diverting …	/r/MensRights	28/06/15 09:45 PM
4	"Regulating Sex." The New York Times publishes the biggest rebuke yet to the deranged affirmative consent movement. Kudos to Judith Shulevitz and the NY Times. addendum: specifically when it's by females. Since, you know, even the CDC doesn't even consider non-consensual PIV sex forced on a man by a woman to be categorized as rape. Curiously, feminists aren't going bonkers over that particular definitional oversight.	/r/MensRights	28/06/15 09:41 PM
3	"Regulating Sex." The New York Times publishes the biggest rebuke yet to the deranged affirmative consent movement. Kudos to Judith Shulevitz and the NY Times. The only way to get change is to basically counter claim that a woman raped a man when an innocent man is charged by woman. Once the consequences of these laws that criminalize hand-holding and pecks on the cheek start applying to women, there will be change. The analogy is jailing for child support -- if swaths of women were being jailed for such a crime, we'd have changed the law yesterday.	/r/MensRights	28/06/15 04:46 PM
6	A clear sign that feminists aren't believing in what they are fighting for like they used to You don't even need to make valid points, all you have to do is make the other side look as silly as possible. We wouldn't know. But given your posts, it's sort of your feminist inspired schtick, so how does it work?	/r/MensRights	26/06/15 01:14 AM
2	A clear sign that feminists aren't believing in what they are fighting for like they used to You're right, the only reason somebody would criticize a rapist is if they're a feminist and hate the MRM! Riiiiiiight. Cause THAT'S what he said. They teach you that strawman tactic in your feminist re-education summer camp?	/r/MensRights	26/06/15 01:13 AM
6	A clear sign that feminists aren't believing in what they are fighting for like they used to Lol yup, this is clear proof that the feminazis have infiltrated the media. "Lol yup" is a fantastic rebuttal. You reading from a hackneyed 1990's feminist manual of debating tactics? Is "wow just wow" coming next? But you're right. It's totally not misandric to basically state that young men must be educated out of a natural state of disrespect for women (but no need for an article on the reverse since young women have no such problems. Obvi.). Nothing to see here, folks, says the feminist sold…	/r/MensRights	26/06/15 12:19 AM
8	A clear sign that feminists aren't believing in what they are fighting for like they used to Uh, no, it's things like this, this, this, and this. But feel free to argue all of the above, from the number one newspaper circulated in this country (NY Times), the oldest and frequently number one cable news network in this country (CNN), and the monthly magazine that has won more national magazine awards in its class (The Atlantic), is, you know, merely a conspiracy theory. And then show us where they ask precisely similar things about women, so as to demonstrate the error of our ways, fembo…	/r/MensRights	25/06/15 11:56 PM
1	Debating Feminism = Equality Really? I suppose if you instead referred to the idea as "patriarchal notions/society existing" they'd likely agree that they indeed believed in THAT if they didn't believe in "The Patriarchy".	/r/MensRights	24/06/15 08:20 PM
1	Is the Men's rights movement anti-feminism? [Serious] "It's two different issues, though." You're absolutely right. The issue of male lack of enrollment in college is a BIGGER issue than women in STEM fields. I wonder why the latter gets waaaaaaaaaay more press and government aid? Hmmmm.	/r/MensRights	24/06/15 01:57 AM
1	New Washington Post poll seems to support the 1-in-5 statistic. Thoughts? They huge flaw is that it states that if someone says they were raped, that they indeed, were. We know now from experience of major media rape cases that that's an absurd leap.	/r/MensRights	24/06/15 01:53 AM
1	Upvoted Post in Reddit's LEO Subreddit /r/ProtectAndServe Mocks Prison Rape: Does ANYBODY Care About Men Being Raped? I think the point of those outraged by the OP's thread (at least the way I understand it) is that either we should be allowed to joke about ANYTHING or joke about NOTHING as it relates to race, gender, and crime. In other words, you can't just argue that it's "really really really bad, ever, at all times, forever and ever for anyone to say anything about women and rape and individuals making such remarks should be fired and/or put to death" but then when anyone says something far more vile about…	/r/MensRights	23/06/15 05:15 PM
3	How free speech became thoughtcrime as feminists hound Nobel winner Tim Hunt from his job Perhaps instead of making a fairly bland joke about women in poor taste and subsequently apologizing about it, he should have tweeted about killing groups of racially denominated men and been unrepentant about it. Because people who do the latter get to keep their jobs at universities in London.	/r/MensRights	21/06/15 10:32 PM
3	New Washington Post poll seems to support the 1-in-5 statistic. Thoughts? Because it's not simply about "random samples" that make these sorts of anonymous surveys problematic. User copsgonnacop has a fantastic answer to your question -- not the least of which includes the fact that "claiming" that something happened most certainly doesn't mean it did, particularly in an era where the definition of rape and sexual assault are becoming more and more broad.	/r/MensRights	21/06/15 10:22 PM