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A lot of people who are anti-RP, myself included, think that TRP is wrong on at least some issues. See, inter alia, "Women are children," "Single mothers are subhuman," "It is right to push through 'LMR'."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 10:13 PM
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TBP does have a theory: that TRP is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:39 PM
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Turning people away from TRP is adding value.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:37 PM
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TBP is just 25K masturbation by people who should really lose 40 lb, take a shower, and go play outside. That's it everyone, shut down the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/16 09:36 PM
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This is from the front page of TRP right now: Women are objects
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:44 PM
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What makes you the qualified arbiter for what women should and shouldn't want? I have common sense and, rare for this sub, I go on lots of dates. Is "white knighting" just a term for anyone who disagrees with TRP? I always thought it meant jumping in to defend women on the internet in hopes of getting some female attention. There aren't, at least to my knowledge, any women on PPD I would take out for drinks. I don't have some ulterior motive. And mere anti-misogyny, without more, surely isn't "w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:42 PM
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"I can open this safe by cutting off the lock" ≠ "cutting off the lock is the right way to open this safe."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:26 PM
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As has been said many times: most of us wouldn't have an issue with TRP if it wasn't hugely misogynistic. There's nothing wrong with teaching men what women like.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/16 06:23 PM
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It's what everyone wants. We desire the desire of the (m)other; through our demands on the (m)other we seek a mutually destructive (but asymptotically receding) unity. Freud might say that your disgust betrays your desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 08:05 PM
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The fact that you didn't have it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and it doesn't mean you don't secretly want it (probably more than someone who has experienced it).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 08:03 PM
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Is it better if my mother has sex or is raped? Is this a serious question? What the fuck do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 08:00 PM
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I'm just pointing out how fundamentally inconsistent your positions are. "I am opposed to big government" is mutually exclusive with "I would be OK with Sanders as President." Sanders is the biggest big government candidate since FDR. Those two positions literally can't go together consistently. Hillary is far more fiscally moderate than Sanders.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 07:57 PM
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I'm Liberal in the strictest sense: I believe in minimal government interference because this is the best way to maximize individual liberty, which is good per se. All moralities and political philosophies are historically contingent, and therefore, because none of them can be traced up or back to some absolute, fixed "Natural" law, the best form of government is that which interferes with people's lives the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 07:51 PM
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Please don't vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 07:48 PM
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Just leave my [...] money alone [...] I care about small government [...] [I choose Republicans because] they don't go for all that free shit with no responsibility. I would be OK with Sanders as pres. http://i.imgur.com/LBJ865h.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 07:24 PM
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I'll take them. Come on over I'm pretty free today.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 05:22 PM
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If Shkreli is alpha then I and the guys I grew up with are like super-alpha. Shkreli looks like he spent a lot of high school inside a locker.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 07:38 AM
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free marker economics What kind? Sharpies? Nice acrylic paint markers? Metallic ink markers?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 07:18 AM
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Status, social connections, money, intelligence, which can be passed on genetically... not to mention decent conversation. It brings a lot to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/16 05:41 AM
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If by "quality" he means "high status," then he's right. Notwithstanding RP's fear of accomplished women, it's just as much in a man's best interests to marry "well" as it is in a woman's best interests. A high status wife has better connections, which means better job opportunities for the man and better educational opportunities for their children. She also will likely be able to bring a significant income to the household, or, at least, a significant amount of cultural capital, both of which …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/16 12:23 AM
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Your argument seems to assume that a prevalent adaptive trait must not be bad or immoral. Many adaptive traits are prevalent and bad. Racism is prevalent and bad. Murderous impulses are prevalent and bad. Uncontrollable sexual impulses are prevalent and bad. Same for jealousy, manipulativeness, anxieties, ennui, anti-intellectualism, and a hundred thousand other character traits and tendencies. If your argument is not that misogyny should not be prevalent because it is immoral, then I have no id…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 10:16 PM
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Describing yourself with "pills" is stupid. But logically a person is either pro-RP, anti-RP, or believes in a mix of RP and non-RP ideas. There's literally no other option. Even if you haven't heard of RP, you either believe in their principles or you don't, or you believe in some of them and not in others. Quartum non datur.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 09:57 PM
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Something like 30-40% of dudes ever passed on their genes. I'm pretty much blue, but this is, admittedly, rather depressing. Even if one stands, as I do, in a good position to pass on one's genes, it's hard to see how a conscientious person could do so without a kind of survivor's guilt.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/16 09:34 PM
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And now you're dating someone who grew up comfortably middle class and has good prospects, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 11:10 PM
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However, wrt. TBP, isn't it necessitous to their narrative to embrace the collectivist terms of the powers of state so as to stand opposed to them Yep. That's what I'm saying I find problematic. Also, how is one supposed to communicate with others if they refuse to use the accepted discourse for its trappings? You have a good point: it would be nearly impossible to function outside of the existing discourses. imo, it's sufficient if one is aware of the historical contingency of e.g. identity pol…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 07:30 PM
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I'll try. Let's take the "gay" identity as an example. Same-sex love has existed since, as far as we know, the dawn of mankind. The categorization of "homosexuality" as perversion did not occur until the rise of the state (and particularly the state as contiguous with the people within the state, rather than as contiguous with geographical borders) and the sciences of e.g. statistics and psychiatry. Good government creates categories in order to efficiently dispose of them. In order to exclude c…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 07:18 PM
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Yes, I do think they give a shit. Then why do they date porn stars? The kinds of doors that close for a rapper don't close because they dated some young groupie. So unless you have a particular fetish for actual teenagers, there is no real incentive to long-term-relationship one once you are in your 20s. But the standard RP line is that young, nubile, inexperienced virgins are desirable per se.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 06:31 PM
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I think you need to pump your numbers up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 06:15 PM
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Do you think these guys give a shit about negative social consequences? Do you really think the kind of guy who doesn't blink at the idea of publicly dating a porn star is going to care if people think it's weird that he's dating an 18-year-old?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 05:13 PM
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As far as I can tell, RP isn't super concerned with LTRs anyway. Many RPers believe that LTRs are a trap. You still don't answer the question, which is, "If RP is right, why don't these alphas go for younger, inexperienced women?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 05:12 PM
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But obviously alphas don't care. Why is that? Are alphas like Nietzsche's blond beast, who "with a single shrug simply throws off himself the many worms which eat into other men"? I think that there's something like this at work here—alphas shrug off, through sheer force of will, many things that for the Terper would tank a relationship because of the Terper's weakness; the Terper, by contrast, stumbles through love overwhelmed, with a kind of autistic over-sensitivity, through which every even …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 05:03 PM
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I've seen Terpers say several times that "real alphas are in prison." Those "natural alphas" are probably from the same social class as the low IQ athletes and rappers. Why don't these "alphas" have a visceral reaction to sluts? Are you saying that only non-alphas have such a reaction? If that's the case, isn't it possible that alphas don't care about sluts because they're secure in themselves and their sexual ability and know that they're going to be just as sexually satisfying for their slut p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 04:53 PM
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I guess. I'm mostly blue and I think collectivists are naive in not recognizing the historical contingency of the "identities" they're so obsessed with, which focus, in a Foucaultian way, actually reinforces the social structures in against which it is ostensibly aimed. But maybe I'm an outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 04:44 PM
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Bloopers do not have a single approach to ethics, deontology, scientism, metaphysics... A postmodern skeptic who is anti-redpill and a devout Christian who is anti-redpill are both blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 03:20 PM
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Am I the only guy here who thinks that anal is boring and a little gross? I've done it a few times and not once was it satisfying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 06:13 AM
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If a person getting off to the idea of a thing meant that they wanted to actually do that thing, then most men should not be allowed outside. Thankfully, fantasy is fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 05:53 AM
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Maybe it's not meant for you, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 05:44 AM
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Yet men have tons of non-fat, young women to pine over. Instead, they give oral to the fat girl, and jack off onto fat-strapped literal landwhales. Being fat is sexually attractive, and you have to be heaver than others by definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 05:40 AM
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I wasn't doing anything that I wouldn't recommend to myself now tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 05:19 AM
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...ask your mom out?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 05:18 AM
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Well you can literally see poverty in the face, so it's probably true to some extent. But "seeing genetic deficiency"? Really? Are you a Dickens villain?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/16 04:50 AM
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It sometimes amazes me how uncritical you all are of your crude biological determinism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 09:13 PM
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This was hard. Here's my attempt: 18 20s (early) 20s (late) 30s (late) 40s
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 07:35 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 06:50 PM
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You're also, unless I really missed something, not a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/16 06:16 PM
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I just want you to know that I'm literally laughing at how unsophisticated this argument is.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/16 10:07 PM
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still hurt people unintentionally So you believe that we should not try not to harm people because we will inevitably harm some people unintentionally? Acting in a way that you consider morally justifiable doesn't necessarily mean that people will be happy Do you think that the moral justification for our actions must guarantee that everyone involved will be happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 04:26 PM
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It's a privilege to get to see the inner workings of the kind of disordered, soggy mind that unironically proposes voting for Donald Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 07:02 AM
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Are you deliberately hurting anyone? This position leads to an absurd result. Assume, for example, a person who believes that having sex with a married woman is harmful. Under your position, it would be permissible for this person to get very drunk such that he does not intend harm and have sex with a married woman, but impermissible for that person to do so sober. Surely you can't intend this to be the case. Therefore, it can't be that deliberate and non-deliberate harm delineates permissible a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 06:36 AM
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Do you believe that a person's actions should be morally justifiable?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 06:26 AM
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It implies a moral judgment for a non-illegal act. You do realize that morality and legality are separate issues, right? Legal systems operate on a moral foundation, but law and morality are far from coextensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/16 06:23 AM
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Maybe it's just that her proportions are very strange. All I'm saying is that I'd swipe left.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 11:53 PM
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That Barbie is fat. It's pretty clearly in the "slightly overweight" category.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 11:44 PM
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That Barbie looks like it has an unhealthy BMI. But I really don't care what children's toys look like. I think that if a child learns that it's OK to be fat from a doll, the parents have failed to such a degree that if that doll didn't negatively affect the course of the child's life, any number of other possible negative influences would have.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/16 11:43 PM
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This sub is the strongest proof I've ever seen against the Hegelian notion that a double negation results in a higher rational unity. No progress is ever made. The same arguments are advanced and denied again and again with no increase in sophistication. I came here in part because I hoped to try to turn impressionable young men away from the RP hate group (and also because I like arguing), but I see now that RP is a thing that has to run its course in a person susceptible to it. People have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/16 02:53 PM
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He's right. Dogs evolved from fish. We evolved from fish. Do you want to fuck evolutionarily fit fish? If not, then clearly evolution can dramatically change sexual preferences. If you're talking about a smaller timescale, though, then as far as I know (I'm a humanist), our minds are not much changed from those of our ancient Assyrian cousins, and bronze age preferences still urge.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 03:30 AM
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How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 03:27 AM
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I agree that "brooding" or antisocial women are also very compelling for men. I wasn't saying otherwise. I'm very attracted to that sort of woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 02:50 AM
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I'm reminded of the recent /u/hyperrreal post detailing the old RP reliance on science when for the most part BPers had a much higher number of actual scientists
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 02:48 AM
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I'm a guy and I don't even like giving anal
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 02:25 AM
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...and he said goodbye to her in Spanish and then turned and put on his hat and turned his wet face to the wind and for a moment he held out his hands as if to steady himself or as if to bless the ground there or perhaps as if to slow the world that was rushing away and seemed to care nothing for the old or the young or rich or poor or dark or pale or he or she. Nothing for their struggles, nothing for their names. Nothing for the living or the dead.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 02:10 AM
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But why is a brooding man a good protector?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 02:00 AM
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I was thinking of a situation where a man and woman are already having consensual sex You should have articulated this. I can't read your mind. But even if they're already having sex, unless they've discussed nonconsensual/rape play, a no is a no.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 01:11 AM
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Yes, I'm saying that a person being raped does not always exhibit "body language" that indicates that she is being raped. A person who is drunk, for example, may not be capable of giving consent. Same with a person of capacity limited for some other reason. Children also are not capable of consent, though they may appear to consent by their body language. A person who is frightened or coerced may not show by their body language that they are not consenting. I'm not saying that it's always the ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/16 12:56 AM
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Maybe the reason RP guys have trouble getting women to be open and fun with them is because they're the kind of shrewish paranoiacs who will needle women about exactly to what extent they did kinky shit with their exes and then ruminate over imagined slights. I wonder how anyone can function like that irl
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 11:36 PM
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I mean not the orgasms themselves but I understand what you're trying to say
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 11:28 PM
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It's almost like those things are connected...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 11:27 PM
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"No it's not rape I was looking at her body language and she was totally into it."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 11:25 PM
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Look at the RP hamster spinning lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 11:24 PM
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☐ not rekt ☑ REKT
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 11:17 PM
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I've always asked for consent and I have a high female-to-male orgasm ratio so
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 11:10 PM
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Stop downvoting me, I know you're the only one immediately reading my comments in this old thread. Go ahead and cite that extremely well-known legal rule though. I'm still waiting.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 11:08 PM
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No, "A big guy wanted to fight me" is not one of those situations. If you know so much, go ahead and quote me the rule circumscribing those situations. It's common knowledge to anyone who's ever taken a crim law course. Go ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 11:02 PM
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Yeah I think this is crazy. I can't tell whether you're an RPer trying to justify his racism or a radfem trying to blame racism on men. Isn't it funny how the extremes come to resemble each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 09:50 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 09:47 PM
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Freud would say that your longing for a more ideal past is really a longing for your own ideal past, namely that of an oedipal, pre-intervention unity with your mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 09:30 PM
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Excellent legal analysis. Since you're so well-versed on the relevant law, the following will obviously be a mere refresher for you: A police officer is prohibited, by constitutional and criminal law, from killing a person except in severely circumscribed situations. When a police officer kills a person outside of these situations, he is acting unconstitutionally and illegally. A person can only be executed by the state after he is convicted of a significantly grave offense by a jury of his peer…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 09:13 PM
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There are some boo-hogs in the clubs tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/16 02:43 AM
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I don't think he's beyond help. Partying is not so difficult a thing that a person can't learn to do it well if he decides to. But he will have to leave his comfort zone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 09:50 AM
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Hahaha yeah this is in no way a legal issue. Some professors of mine would be very interested (and disappointed) to hear that they should stop studying the 4th Amendment and other constitutional issues surrounding police killings.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 08:07 AM
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Solid rebuttal. Did you get lost on your way to Stormfront?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 08:05 AM
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sometimes shit like this happens This is not a legal excuse. we don't have the right to judge him. Yes we do. You know who else does? Fucking judges. Judges have the right to judge him. But they don't get the chance to because the prosecutors punt on the Grand Jury indictment and because qualified immunity is such a high bar. I'm sorry, but your reasons are absolutely idiotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 07:38 AM
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You obviously know nothing about the relevant law. And your "let's not be too hard on the cops for killing that black kid" attitude is disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 07:11 AM
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It wasn't "ruled [sic] as self defence [sic]." He was not indicted. I assume that you know nothing about working in a prosecutor's office, and nothing about the politics that tie prosecutors to the local police force.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 05:13 AM
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"Cops are afraid for their lives" is not a valid justification for an unconstitutional killing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 04:25 AM
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The idea is not the e.g. Michael Brown should not be punished, the idea is that it is unconstitutional to summarily execute him without a trial. But I'm guessing even that's too subtle a point for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 03:45 AM
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I'm not at all saying that rape is not a problem that needs to be addressed (though I don't think that it happens to one in five women on college campuses). But the combination of plea bargaining arrangements and careerist prosecutors leveling disproportionate charges, a wide latitude for racist conduct in American police forces, the coziness of prosecutors and police forces, and the inadequacy of remedial tools for constitutional violations by the police dwarf concerns about e.g. women making 9…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 01:08 AM
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This is exactly the kind of shit I don't do. And I expect mature people not to test boundaries and see how far they can take it. Right? I've seen both BPers and RPers endorse this view. I was starting to think I was the only one who assumes and respects certain boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 01:01 AM
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The issues that blacks are facing are far more pressing than the issues that white women are facing, so it's only natural that they get more attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 12:55 AM
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imo just be upfront about your intentions, take care of yourself and respect people's boundaries. If you do all that and someone still calls you creepy, shrug it off because that's on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 12:46 AM
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I would like a girl to put her finger up my ass—it's about time my G-spot got some love.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/16 12:36 AM
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I drink a lot and will dump you in at most five months.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/16 06:45 AM
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I confuse your name with /u/GridReXX's and get really disappointed when I read your posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/16 08:39 AM
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So much that I can't explain it to you in a single post. You're going to have to learn the entirety of structuralism through postmodernism on your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 11:40 PM
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You can't criticize the kind of theory that holds that part of gender is a social construct when you don't know literally the first thing about that theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 11:18 PM
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No. Prisoners are dirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/16 03:15 AM
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Paging /u/DrunkGirl69
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 08:52 PM
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And finally even though I am heavily considering voting for him, Bernie is a cuck (a weak man), if he can't defend his own stage how can he defend America? The fact that people like you actually vote for reasons like this makes me pine for the good old days of a more limited franchise.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 08:42 PM
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Backbone is a better analogy than you might think. They're necessary, but they're not exactly where any of the thinking goes on.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 08:37 PM
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Early onset dementia.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 04:50 AM
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I would feel bad for a person who suffered bodily harm where I would not feel bad for them if they suffered mere loss of property. This is a false equivalence, but since you're the kind of neckbeard who ridicules rape victims on Reddit, I assume you don't really care.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 03:39 AM
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It has nothing to do with gender roles, and everything to do with environment A gender role is "is a set of societal norms dictating what types of behaviors are generally considered acceptable, appropriate or desirable for a person based on their actual or perceived sex." You can't win the argument by changing the definition of this term to be limited to what is strictly required by biology. Anyway, that would result in a stupid tautological argument: what is strictly required by biology is stri…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 02:49 AM
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It's my responsibility up to the point that I make a clear argument. Beyond that, any failure in comprehension is your fault. Looking back at what I wrote, it looks like the error is yours: Gender roles are arbitrary to the extent that they are not strictly required by biology. To the extent that they are arbitrary they are social constructs. It is not, e.g., a biological necessity that men not wear skirts (see Scotland).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 02:38 AM
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Serious question: is questioningwoman really HSW?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 12:43 AM
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That wasn't an ad hominem—the thing at issue is the dating eligibility of autistic people, and that's what wombat was addressing. Here, autistic persons are the position such that a negative appraisal of those persons is not an ad hominem.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/16 12:39 AM
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Bro, this is the kind of word salad you're passing off as argumentation: the clothes we wear on top are secondary to our actions To lose the argument, I have to have been presented with a counterargument, which you've been unable to do because you still don't understand my initial comment. But w/e. I hope pizza delivery is going well for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 11:30 PM
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You're too stupid to know how stupid you are. I'm done trying to argue with high school dropouts about extremely basic Sociology 101 stuff. Go back and look at my first reply to your comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 08:18 PM
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Do you think that, just maybe, different cultures have different ideas of gender roles? Do you not see how what you're saying is proving my point? Within a given culture, certain clothes are seen as appropriate for men to wear and not appropriate for women to wear. Wear a skirt to work (assuming, dangerously, that you have a real job) and see how that goes over. We know that there's nothing inherently biologically male about wearing or not wearing certain clothes (e.g. tights). Therefore, to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 08:01 PM
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Yeah? You don't think that gender roles have anything to do with what clothes are seen as acceptable? Do you maybe want to rethink that statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 07:44 PM
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Yeah I dated a girl who was a victim of sexual assault. It was a non-issue. She was stable and we had great sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 05:27 PM
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RP: "lol Tumblr complaining about sexism in Disney movies" RP: "DAE THE SHERLOCK HOLIDAY SPECIAL WAS FEMINIST?!"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 05:24 PM
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This is a bizarre post.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 05:21 PM
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Gender roles are arbitrary to the extent that they are not strictly required by biology. To the extent that they are arbitrary they are social constructs. It is not, e.g., a biological necessity that men not wear skirts (see Scotland).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 07:02 AM
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You're bad at argumentation. You don't even realize that you're moving the goalposts. I'm done trying to argue with you, but you should know that you're not half as "logical" as you seem to think you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 04:54 AM
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You're changing the goalposts. To remind you, my argument is "If your goal is a high socioeconomic status, then it is not logical to ignore social norms." For a person who so loudly proclaims their logicalness, you're not very good at logical arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 04:49 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQD_JHHF748&t=1m54s
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 04:47 AM
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You aren't ignoring them but you are defying them You realize that you're agreeing with me now, right? I said initially that it's "not logical to ignore social norms."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 04:14 AM
1

What if you're vying for the best possible outcome and the best possible outcome is riskier? Give me one example where the best possible outcome allows you to defy social norms and is of a high enough probability that it becomes a smarter choice than paying attention to social norms and succeeding with an eye to them (by going to a good college and getting a good job). if you defy social norms to get what you want while putting on a mask so you look to the world that you're following them If you…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 04:12 AM
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(1) That would be highly unlikely and therefore, even if it's possible, it would not be logical to disregard social norms (if one has an enormously higher chance of success by following path A over path B, it is illogical to follow path B if one wants to succeed); (2) money, without more, is not socioeconomic status anyway. Socioeconomic status is, definitionally, economic and sociological. Therefore, like I said, ignoring social norms is not logical. Saying "following social norms is illogical"…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 04:07 AM
3

I'd be willing to bet that most TRPers haven't even heard of Ferdinand de Saussure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 04:02 AM
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I'm obviously not talking about Afghani society. I'm talking about Western society.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 03:59 AM
1

Making money being a criminal ≠ high socioeconomic status.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 03:56 AM
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If that's the case, then "what you want" is not a high socioeconomic status.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 03:53 AM
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It's not logical to ignore social norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 03:52 AM
2

2edgy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/16 02:54 AM
2

Don't you like, sell T-shirts or something? Why should anyone listen to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 06:08 PM
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who legitimacy of it all I stopped reading. If you can't be bothered to put together a grammatically coherent sentence to convey your idea, I can't be bothered to parse it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 04:35 AM
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many other instincts connected to it and how people wanted to construct entire societies in the past (rules by law not just status quo) don't seem to make sense Fucking what?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/16 02:03 AM
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This is word salad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/16 03:59 AM
2

She wasn't afraid of you, she was shy. Jesus Christ this sub is so fucking autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/16 05:31 PM
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How many times can we hash this out? Dick is abundant. Women can get dick anywhere. Because they can demand more than just dick, they do. It's that simple. Is this fair? What does that even mean? It's how it is. The more time you spend whining on Reddit about how unfair it is, the less interesting you become. Stop doing that. Go outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/16 06:25 AM
1

Haha what are your music tastes Xemnas
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/16 05:39 AM
2

No. It's not their niceness that's the problem. It never is. It's because they're otherwise undesirable—they have shit social skills, a shit body, a shit face. If they were handsome, interesting, and nice, they'd be doing very well.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 08:01 PM
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I knew most of this shit already because I have friends. I wasted a lot of time arguing with people, most of whom are not particularly good at arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 02:32 AM
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I don't understand why nice guys, SJWs or women think that they're entitled to the affections of any other person. You aren't. You never are, no matter how nice you are to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/16 12:34 AM
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Nobody except TRP is going to tell men to stop being pussies though. Have you ever been outside? Have you ever had a friend irl?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 05:11 PM
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they are just scared to say that they want more than just a platonic friendship, If you're so terrified of the world that you can't ask a woman out then you're going to have a difficult and disappointing life. That's probably one reason why these guys are so undesirable. I feel like feminists should be supportive of "nice guys" as they aren't really masculine at all, not aggressive, not confrontational, I imagine they are pretty loyal. Women don't want some simpering boy, no matter how loyal he …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 07:28 AM
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No. This only works if the acceptance, approval, or companionship are friendship, and not a romantic relationship. But why would someone who was only expecting friendship be surprised when his friend dated or fucked somebody else? The answer, of course, is that he wasn't expecting friendship at all, but to get what he wanted (pussy) by doing what he's been doing his whole fatbody beta life: dragging his feet and complaining until someone does the work for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 05:29 AM
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The nice guy didn't expect reward for that, but was perplexed by the asshole type getting more attention. These two things are mutually exclusive. If he is not expecting pussy, which you call "reward," he will not be surprised when the pussy goes to someone else. By the way, sitting around and waiting for a woman who is clearly not romantically interested in you to finally give up on life and settle with you is not "doing the right thing."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 05:22 AM
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So what? Even assuming that you're right, and they just want a sexless romantic relationship, they're still pretending to want something that they don't want—namely only friendship—and expecting their basic human decency to be rewarded with such a romantic relationship. This is also exactly why they're creepy. e: lol downvoted by the TRP niceguy brigade.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/16 05:02 AM
1

I agree with you generally but I think that Anna Kendrick looks like a reanimated corpse.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/15 11:13 PM
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I don't think I could love a woman I didn't respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 04:00 PM
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even raping one Wow, they haven't even raped one? What good guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/15 01:57 AM
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Girls in their mid-20s definitely go for guys in their mid-30s, or at least don't exclude them from consideration because they are in their mid-30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/15 04:57 AM
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You're a good guy, Xem, but you should really really really get off PPD, the manosphere, and the internet in general. Really. Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 08:23 PM
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We should try to make him happy instead of depressed. The best thing we can do to help with Xemnas's depression is to encourage him not to spend time on PPD/TRP/Manosphere blogs. I think he's a nice guy, but he's also obviously very troubled, and it is apparent that reading about this stuff is extremely stressful for him. What Xemnas really needs is intensive psychoanalysis, and a permanent injunction from reading anything else on gender relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 08:21 PM
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I've known some very impressive ugly people in my life. But if you're just looking for an excuse to check out, then sure, take it. You would have found some other reason anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/15 02:37 AM
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You can land someone temporarily that you could never hold down in an LTR. Their intent is not to stay with you, while your intent is probably to keep them around. I've been on both ends of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/15 06:56 AM
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And I'll probably get erections thinking about ex-girlfriends. I guess everybody should just give up on marriage and children because human attraction isn't totally perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 11:57 PM
14

He lived next to frat houses. He knows things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 11:02 PM
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Here's your argument: There are attractive men --> the woman you are going to marry was fucked by a whole football team Fucking what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/15 11:02 PM
1

Cary Grant's character in People Will Talk willfully raises another man's child out of a sort of enormous abundance mentality. Most people, myself included, simply aren't that big. ETA: I don't mean to say that every man who consciously raises another man's child does so from a place of strength. I often think that BPers would do well to remember that old Nietzschean point: that only the strong can be willfully good. If you are so unassertive and impotent in the world that you limply accept ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/15 09:06 PM
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Men are hypergamous too, at least they would be if they could be. What guy wouldn't date a superhot woman? I would suggest men are more hypergamous than women, more looks-oriented, more easily seduced by particularly high value individuals than women are. Why else are there so many images and videos of really hot naked chicks on the net? I agree with what you're saying about men desiring attractive women, for the most part, but this is not what "hypergamy" means. "Hypergamy" is literally marryin…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/15 01:35 AM
0

Nietzsche + LaVeyan satanism You, probably
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:15 PM
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Actual experience is a solid alternative to TRP. Most of the things about which TRP is right are things that you pick up on your own as you spend more time pursuing women. Talking with guys is also a valid alternative. Guys tend to be pretty straightforward and un-PC about the nature of women when they're in a group of dudes, esp. if they're drinking. Both of those things are significantly psychologically healthier than sitting on a reddit sub reading misogynistic vitriol three hours a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 08:12 PM
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I think you need to edit your post so: Demonstration: Sex A can have 10 potential kids per time X. Sex B can have 1 potential kid per time X. Sex A and B rejects a mate, and then spends X amount of time looking for a new mate. Sex A lost 10 potential kids. Sex B lost 1 potential kids. Sex B loses more by rejecting a potential mate. Sex B will be less choosy. Sex A loses more by rejecting a potential mate. Sex A will be less choosy. Great post as always.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/15 01:58 AM
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This is one of those issues on which RP has, in my opinion, a common sense position. edit: I would probably qualify the statement though: women are more likely to be hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:12 PM
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I pretty much love being intimidated by men and don't think I'd date one who didn't intimidate me on some level Hypergamy confirmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:02 PM
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Maybe the gorgeous will rub off ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/15 09:00 PM
2

Do you go out in public? Some social settings require a level of formality and discretion that others do not. It bums me out to have to explain this to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 08:29 PM
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None of my guy friends have been fingered by cab drivers either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:49 PM
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I'm not sure what planet you live on, but I'm sure your misogyny is totally justified there.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 07:43 PM
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Sorry but that's a fucking ridiculous question. /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:34 PM
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There are a lot of female lawyers. I personally know and have known a lot of highly intelligent, super-competent female lawyers and law students. There are also a lot of women in finance. You guys are living in a fantasy world if you don't think that there are millions of professional, competent women in the private sector. A lot of these women are probably significantly more competent and better educated than you are, /u/fundude12, which I suspect is part of the problem...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 06:34 PM
1

Yeah, that always works.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:38 AM
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Noooo no philosophy of mind, please. I need to read up on that first.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/15 01:24 AM
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Solid contribution as always, HSW.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 11:26 PM
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But RP demanding an accounting from BP of why RP is wrong is not how burdens of proof work in arguments. RP is saying that things are a certain way. BP is arguing that they are not that way, not that they necessarily are a single other way. It would fly in the face of how we treat burdens of proof in argumentation for RP to say, "This is how things are. Prove otherwise."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 10:04 PM
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Great, that's what all men experience. No offense, but I'm not going to congratulate you for doing what I see as a necessary minimum. Also, of course, this is a mere anecdote. That said, I have looked up statistics and it appears that double income households are now the majority, so I may have been wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 04:40 AM
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Canadar I hate that place, with its glass floors and its blanket statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/15 03:53 AM
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No it wasn't. Go back and reread.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 11:17 PM
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Obviously I don't mean "bad" in some objective, platonic sense. What a meaningless qualification.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 10:57 PM
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He's not saying that a woman's life is necessarily easy. He's saying that men have it harder during that time. And I'm sorry to hear about your depression, but surely you see that your anecdote doesn't accomplish your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 06:51 PM
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I agree. I also think that it's hard for women to understand how it feels not to have the option of houswifing to fall back on. It's still the case that men are broadly expected to be the providers in relationships, notwithstanding that stay-at-home dads are finding more acceptance now than before. The option of ducking out of the job market to have kids and raise them is one that is always available to even averagely attractive women. This applies to women in medical school as much as it applie…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 06:49 PM
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I mean the obvious response to that is that when people say "she changed," they mean "she changed in a bad way."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 06:23 PM
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If a woman I was with ever gave me a list and called it a "honey do list" I would leave her on the spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 05:49 AM
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Lots of fucking and reading and I exercise at some point. Seamless and Netflix and wine at dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/15 05:48 AM
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Can you read? I know that racists tend to be poorly educated and short on attention, but if you'll just scroll up a little bit to the comment to which you're replying you'll see this: Some ineradicable subconscious bias is not what people mean by "racism" and you know it. Normally I'd leave it right there but given your obvious difficulties I might as well connect the dots for you while I'm at it: I'm not talking about some subconscious, ineradicable dislike. I'm talking about actual, conscious …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 06:21 PM
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Some ineradicable subconscious bias is not what people mean by "racism" and you know it. Also, the fact that you're mixed race and a racist doesn't either prove your point or excuse your racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 06:03 PM
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Ah, race "realism." Because the rest of us don't know what's "real" in race relations. But I bet you've googled some statistics, so you know the objective truth. It's too bad, I actually kinda liked you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 05:46 AM
1

Two questions: (1) what's your Stormfront username; and (2) do they know that you're Jewish?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/15 04:12 AM
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I think that if you're a half-Asian guy who's a failure with women, it's not because you're half-Asian.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 11:44 PM
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I think that if a man were in such a situation and had to ask himself whether what he was doing was date rape, he should not proceed absent affirmative consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 09:29 PM
1

idk I read some responses in the hobby thread and a lot of you are big ole nerds
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 09:21 PM
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I'm not RP but this is patently untrue. I've asked before. I've been asked. I've talked about it casually with male and female friends. Maybe if everyone disagrees with you, you're the outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 09:07 PM
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"INTJ" neither male.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 03:53 AM
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I'm just here because I like to argue. If there were a good debate sub on a different subject I'd go there. I don't really care about gender relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/15 03:52 AM
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That must be why I live in a world of handsome creative geniuses...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 08:11 AM
2

I'm not an incel but hey
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 08:05 AM
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Xemnas, your sister can be concerned about your situation for reasons other than TRP theory. She could merely be concerned for your wellbeing, for example. Or, if she's not a particularly empathetic person, she might be disappointed in some perceived laziness. Her reaction to you probably doesn't have anything to do with her ideas about "good betas" and how they should operate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 07:51 AM
1

The Red Pill appeals to a broad cross-section of men: bitter divorcées, career bartenders, high-functioning autistics, aspiring professional gamers, engineering students, and public park bathroom rapists are just a few examples of the many walks of life that coagulate, like sperm at the bottom of a sock, in that corner of the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/15 07:37 AM
2

Haha good one
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 07:10 PM
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It's an oligarchy, peasants. Keep worrying about your benchpress, though. That's totally how you get to the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 06:48 PM
2

Pizza, sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 06:46 PM
5

fucking lol go away to whatever spermy hotpocket dungeon you crawled out of
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 06:20 PM
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It used to be the argument, in a less enlightened time (where your logic would be appreciated), that women can't really be raped if they don't put themselves in dangerous situations and secretly want it. This is why, for instance, rape would ruin a woman's reputation and brand her an easy woman. I'm not saying that men are raped as frequently as women are, but saying not only that it doesn't happen, but that it can't unless the man wants it is disgusting victim blaming. I suspect you're just a t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 06:19 PM
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You're a moron. Here's your confusion, shitheel: you're conflating the proposition "Women rape men all the time" with the proposition "Women are capable of raping men." The truth of the latter does not necessitate the truth of the former. The latter is incontrovertibly true, and the fact that a man gets an erection does not necessarily mean that he was not raped, just like the fact that a woman has an orgasm does not mean that she was not raped (one could make that argument, on your logic, that …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 06:09 PM
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Virtually all men would have had sex anyway regardless of being drunk Virtually all sluts would have had sex anyway, regardless of being drunk. What's that? A double standard? You don't say! e: If men are threatened or scared (because a woman is trying to rape them LOL) they won't get an erection. Problem solved! If women are threatened and scared (because a man is trying to rape them LOL) then they won't get aroused. Problem solved! This is fucking insane. You're bad at logic and probably a pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 05:57 PM
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This is a pretty cringey post. Whenever I see someone bragging on reddit about making women orgasm I assume that his disgusting redditor girlfriend peed squirted once when they had sex because she'd never been touched by a man before. You can make a woman come? Congratulations. So can, like, everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 02:29 AM
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Fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 12:03 AM
1

Do you want to lie down on our couch, trashy new guy? Tell us more about your mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/15 12:00 AM
2

That's not what "as such" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 11:57 PM
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Do "basic values" entail political views? If so, again, how boring. And thanks for the downvote lol. Lemme guess: it wasn't you even though it happened at exactly the same time that you responded?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 02:26 PM
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Clearly OP isn't talking about merely listening. He's talking about childlike behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 05:44 AM
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In what situation would a woman be allowed to "go silent" during an important meeting and not subsequently be fired? Do you have a job? Do you know how employment works?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 05:31 AM
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I'd swipe left.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/15 03:54 AM
1

Do you only date men who agree with you? How boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 11:00 PM
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This is why I always ask if she wants to have sex and then stop if she says no. Why would you want someone to cry themselves to sleep afterwards? If you're so hard up for sex that rape is the only thing that will get it for you, hire a fucking escort.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 09:52 PM
0

Language is important? Linguists and philosophers of language will be so relieved that we've resolved that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:58 AM
0

I'm not sure who you're arguing with, but they're wrong and it's not me. In my original response to you I said that it was right that TRP is hated for its misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 06:10 AM
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I didn't say that Jezebel exists for that sole purpose. Maybe you should reread my comment. also lol @ the immediate downvote
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:40 AM
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Jezebel is about women's rights in the same way that TRP is about men's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:36 AM
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To the extent that TRP is (rightly) hated for misogyny, Jezebel should be hated for its misandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:32 AM
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In an ideal world, partners would freak out equally to both. Currently, man hate is more acceptable than woman hate (which does not, of course, somehow make woman hate acceptable).
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/15 04:31 AM
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It depends. Do the costs of her not becoming a sex worker outweigh the costs of her becoming a sex worker? Then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 11:58 PM
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To address your argument, we'd have to have statistics about the effectiveness of various "PUA" teachings, and we don't have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 09:28 PM
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You need to lower your standards, bro. The Pequod sank and almost everyone died. Sutpen's dynasty collapsed in on itself. Satan was doomed to a second defeat. Obsession over the impossible is a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 08:36 PM
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You know, your earlier Moby-Dick reference seems more and more appropriate: your maddening wound is your being passed over for your height; your whale is getting a 10/10. You're like a sleazy, less articulate Captain Ahab.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 08:30 PM
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You just told me that you can't get women because you're short.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 04:57 AM
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There are some men who can't get laid ≠ it is difficult for most men to get laid. Captain Ahab whale. Moby Dick?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 03:07 AM
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I'm sorry that's been your experience, but your impression of the difficulty of getting laid is completely unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 02:55 AM
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This is patently untrue to any man who's ever interacted with women. I don't know where RPers get their idea of this nightmare world where if you're not a hung Jared Leto you're consigned to a twilight life of computer screens and masturbation. In my experience, you pretty much just have to be around to get laid. You have to just be out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 02:47 AM
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He's talking about general self-improvement. Self-improvement is much, much larger than TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 01:28 AM
5

We do not hate women not one upright woman among them all TRPers be like
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 01:26 AM
4

"Beating it" while removing the misogyny would pretty much just amount to putting forward another generic self-improvement program.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 01:26 AM
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Really it's both: It's a safe space for misogynists to improve themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/15 01:25 AM
2

I mean, no. The Greeks had a purer democracy than we ever have. The Roman Republic lasted nearly 500 years. Also, not everything preceding the Renaissance was "ancient," and, so far from it being the case that there was "no culture" before the Renaissance, Renaissance culture was a revitalization, literally a rebirth, of ancient aesthetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 07:44 PM
2

Agreed. I also agree with OP though about BP men being, for the most part, bitches.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 07:11 PM
0

The scale of tyranny in the 20th Century is a result of the size of the populations and the technology available, not the ideologies. There have been terrifying tyrannical ideologies since people gathered together to form societies. Look at Genghis Khan! By no stretch of the imagination was he popularly elected, and his tyranny resulted in ~40mn deaths. And of course there have been tyrants in human history before democracy. Tyranny—which literally means "one man rule"—reaches back in Egyptian h…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 07:04 PM
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Until the renaissance there was almost no culture at all, it was just constant war No. Open a history book.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 06:51 PM
0

I mean not really. There are plenty of reasons why a person with a moderate to large estate would have a career.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 06:33 PM
0

Scandinavia seems so Orwellian sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 06:30 PM
1

Your idea of dominance notwithstanding, the first group of behaviors that you described are clearly dominant behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 07:32 AM
1

When people are in a safe-space, they are comfortable speaking their true thoughts. Citation needed. Also, this assumes that locker rooms are a "safe space." Your reasoning is about as good as the TRPers'.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/15 07:31 AM
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However, it's the motivation and thoughts behind the action that dictate whether someone is being used [...] you have dehumanized her regardless of whether she orgasmed or not. If you make sex about her enjoyment and don't tell her your private motivations, then you've dehumanized her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 11:00 PM
1

I like chicks with weird hair because they have piercings and are usually sluts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 10:16 PM
2

if someone's attracted to pretty much anyone so long as they're smart I don't know if this analytically sound. Would we say that someone is, for example, not heterosexual because they aren't attracted to "pretty much anyone so long as they're [of the opposite sex]"? Of course not. Also, I don't think "sapiosexual" is supposed to be a sexual orientation, such that a sapiosexual man is always sexually attracted to both men and intelligent women. It's a secondary sexual preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/15 01:29 AM
1

No.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 09:10 PM
1

Haha we're all glad you're in therapy now, Xemnas. Don't feel bad about it bro. Life is weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 06:08 PM
1

Believe it or not, YRO, people seek success for reasons other than getting laid. The education of one's children, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 06:06 PM
1

You've achieved enlightenment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 06:03 PM
5

Agreeing with you in part because no one else seems to have picked up on the implied class preference in the term. Sapiosexual for a lot of people, imo, means "I like guys who went to top colleges and have high-paying jobs." That said, there are people who are attracted to intelligence per se, and not only to credentials. I love smart women. I'll take a brilliant woman with a dynamic personality over a more attractive dullard any day (up to a reasonable limit).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 06:01 PM
4

The Wall Street guys were a but for cause of the crash, but because they've always been there, the proximate cause was financial deregulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 05:53 PM
1

lol yeah totally
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 05:44 PM
4

People say I am a mummy's boy and it's pretty clear I have a major rivalry with my father Please, tell me more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 02:10 PM
2

I just don't want a girl to have a count as high as I do, because I'm rly competitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 01:46 AM
1

Can you stop holding yourself out as a woman? Aren't you like mid-surgery post-gender non-sexual or something
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 01:29 AM
5

Can you please not recite your Stormfront pledges here? It's totally irrelevant to the purpose of the sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/15 01:28 AM
1

Nice guy status confirmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 05:56 PM
2

He's Jewish. "Looking Jewish" isn't a racist idea as far as I know. Anti-Semites have for a long time caricatured Jewish men as being unmanly. Given that the bulk of the criticism of Ethan Krupp's appearance comes from hammy, Anglo, heartland types, this makes me a little uncomfortable with the instinctual dislike.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 05:52 PM
1

I refuse to believe your comments aren't satire.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 03:25 AM
1

I have. I've seen it ruin lives. It certainly happens, and it's something I would want my male family members to be very aware of.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 02:36 AM
1

I think that disliking a political movement because you dislike some of the proponents of that movement is the equivalent of that ugly thing that hipsters do when they refuse to like a good band because other people also like them. I tend to be sympathetic to the Black Lives Matter movement w.r.t. their impatience with reactions from middle of the road non-blacks. This is because I happen to know a good deal about the problems with the criminal justice system in this country, and know that, in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 02:03 AM
2

He looks like a lot of the people I go to law school with. He also looks more than vaguely Jewish, which makes me question the reason behind your disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/15 01:44 AM
3

President Obama shot John F. Kennedy. I've been arguing this for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 10:33 PM
0

Porn and masturbation are perfectly normal and healthy. If you're having arousal problems it's not caused by porn. If you can only get it up to weird shit, that's because you're a paraphiliac, not because you watch too much porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 06:51 PM
2

New meaning to ottermode?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/15 06:46 PM
1

You'd have to ask a TRPer; I don't believe that AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 05:12 AM
0

For the purposes of this sub, lesbians probably aren't "W."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 04:53 AM
1

You know that this sub is exclusively focused on heterosexual gender dynamics, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 03:26 AM
1

Tax benefits, depending on the jurisdiction and the relative income of each spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 02:13 AM
1

Yes, and? I don't think anyone's going to disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 02:06 AM
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I think RP would argue (not unreasonably) that they are trying to maximize the number of women who are attracted to them, and it is more common for women to like the Chad type than to have some niche preference (and that even those who have a niche probably wouldn't turn down a Chad type).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/15 01:54 AM
3

misoginy
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/15 09:26 PM
1

Fast running, lifting, reading in philosophy, history, linguistics, great fiction, literary criticism, jurisprudence, science; having sex, meeting people, drawing in charcoal and pencil, playing guitar, writing poetry and short fiction, cooking, drinking tea, eating well, and mindfully trying to erase the preconceptions that run before me to constrain the form of the lived world.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/15 04:50 AM
3

Ah yes, Gilgamesh—the famous peer-reviewed scientific study.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 06:42 PM
1

Neither of them are things. Transsexualism is a thing. Not being a gender is not a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 01:14 AM
3

I'm not, actually! I identify as nonbinary, not as agender. That's not a thing. updating my fanfic! Utter trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 12:53 AM
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Sorry, you're "agender." I'm not enforcing anything: I'm only pointing out the absurdity of your participation. I'm sure the reason behind it is the same as the reason behind your gender identification: a desperate need for attention, any attention, good or bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/15 12:14 AM
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You're trans asexual and again why the hell are you here.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 09:39 PM
4

Maybe he knows a few of the tens of millions of intelligent women in this country.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/15 02:51 AM
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I can't take this sub seriously anymore. The arguments were fun, but shit like this is too crazy for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 11:20 PM
2

Prime pussy, by any other name, would still be prime Right. Your "argument."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 11:18 PM
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Those relationships are OK because relationships, and human behavior in general, are OK until someone points out a valid reason why they are not OK. I'm eager to hear how the fuck you cooked this up. Did you hear it from the radio in your teeth, or is there a logical reason why this is the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 11:17 PM
3

Chalk it up to the innate human need to explain things that are extremely disturbing. You didn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 11:08 PM
0

Can I ask you something? Why does a self-proclaimed schizoid pedophile feel the need to constantly share his opinions on a forum about adult heterosexual relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 11:03 PM
1

fucking hot young chicks They call it something else, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 10:53 PM
1

Oh, ok. So as long as I don't actually coerce the 16 year old, fuck away! It would be coercion per se. I also see that you didn't address my argument about brain development. Most Bloops arent admitting to being against heterosexual and interracial relationships. So you're not only a really swell guy, you also don't mind bending a few facts if it means protecting those vulnerable young waifs. Good on you. Unsurprisingly, you missed the extremely simple logical argument that I was making. You: "B…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 10:50 PM
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Oh, thats easy. Intelligence and an honest assessment of the world around you and the humans (and subhumans) in it. /r/iamverysmart. Seriously though, we all know that you're a racist because you're a failure. Failed people need a categorical assurance of supremacy, otherwise they'd have to admit to themselves that they're pathetic, which would be unbearable. So the poor West Virginia dirt farmer consoles himself with the idea that he's better than the blacks, because without such fictional assu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 10:29 PM
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Can you get us a copy of your inevitable depositions? It will be hilarious to see you read this out loud in front of the prosecutors.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 10:17 PM
1

Normatively or positively? Positively it's wrong in most jurisdictions because it's illegal. Normatively? I'm no expert on ethics, but assuming that morals exist such that a thing can be said to be wrong, and assuming that one's use of power and status to coerce another person into doing a thing that is unpleasant and which they would not otherwise do is wrong, and assuming that a person with a fully developed brain capable of grasping the long-term consequences of their actions taking advantage…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 10:12 PM
0

Don't forget LSD. No I'm serious. That had just as much of a massive effect on the culture of the time. Basic druggie edgelord shitposting.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 10:07 PM
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This entire subreddit is logicians with giant phalluses.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 05:54 PM
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No, you're the only one capable of non-extreme thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 05:52 PM
2

Yeah I've never had "LMR," but that may be because I stop trying to have sex with someone when they say they don't want to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 05:41 PM
1

What point are you trying to make? At its greatest extent, the Porte didn't have Indian territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 03:13 AM
4

Why are we sensitive about things that seem to indicate a preference for light-skinned people with non-black hair? Do you really need to ask that question?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/15 02:55 AM
1

Is there some kind of snake civilisation that is run by male snakes even though the female ones are larger? Don't pretend the reptilian conspiracy isn't real.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 09:58 PM
3

Roosh V is a fucking sperglord.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/15 07:04 PM
1

Next time I'll be sure to cover the whole history of epistemology before I dare give my opinion on a subreddit about sharing opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 10:10 PM
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If the most reasonable stance is admitting that neither side is more accurate than the other, then "fence sitter" isn't an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 09:09 PM
2

In NYC, early- to mid-20s women pair up with good looking, fit, wealthy mid-30s guys all the time. All the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 06:42 PM
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The fact that Louis CK can get laid for being Louis CK does not mean that an equally bitter, non-famous Louis CK can get laid. Those neurotics you're talking about got laid for being famous, not for being neurotic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 06:19 PM
2

I would think that RP would admit of the possibility of unconditional romantic love, but caution against that behavior (oneitis), and push for a more utilitarian view of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 06:15 PM
1

I think that while relationships can be framed in terms of either romantic love or cold, hard calculations of SMV or genetic quality, neither framing is necessarily more true than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 05:41 PM
1

I'll give you a hug, Xemnas.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 06:42 AM
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I was just responding to your OP, in which men actively "engage in some toxic behavior to assert their masculinity." About women, on the other hand: They challenged the idea that women were supposed to be submissive. They challenged the idea that women were not supposed to [sic] competitive. They challenged the unrealistic beauty standards women were subjected to [...] They challenged the idea that women were supposed to find a man to take care of them. It's not particularly surprising to me tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 05:23 AM
1

I don't think you're going to get very far playing the victim on this sub, and frankly I'm fine with that fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 04:09 AM
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Why can't we realize that men engage in some toxic behavior to assert their masculinity? It's funny that male gender roles are framed in terms of negative actions that men take (out of selfishness lol), while female gender roles are things that are imposed on women from without.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/15 04:06 AM
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The point being, it's effective. If it's net harmful, then it's not effective. Here, let's walk through this slowly. I'll use a hypothetical: Three friends (Adam, Bobby and Chad) decide to go apple picking. At the orchard, Chad picks a perfect, bursting-ripe apple. Bobby and Adam, because they're jealously staring at Chad's biceps, each pick a misshapen, bruised, brownish apple. They put their three apples together in a bag. Are there more good apples or bad apples in that bag?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 05:30 PM
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Oh you are having a stroke. Do you want me to call an ambulance? PM the mods your address.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 05:06 PM
1

You're really good at trying to throw in distinctions that make literally no difference in the analysis. Change "good" and "bad" to "useful" and "harmful" and the result is exactly the same: If there is information on TRP that is acted on in such a way that it has a [useful] effect on one person, and there is information on TRP that is acted on in such a way that it has a [harmful] effect on two people, then TRP, net, has a [harmful] effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 05:04 PM
2

Are you having a stroke?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 05:00 PM
2

I just told you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 04:57 PM
1

That's not what hugbox means. Hugboxes are pressure machines designed to calm spergs. If someone tells you to go back to your hugbox, it means you should stop sperging out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 04:44 PM
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Good for you, but I was talking about the reasoning in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 04:31 PM
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Hahaha good old BP outlier anecdotes. "HOW DARE YOU ASSUME ANYTHING ABOUT ME??! I EXCLUSIVELY DATE 5 FOOT TALL TRANS MEN AMPUTEES!"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 04:03 PM
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To the same type of person who could be helped in the OP. The only way that OP could be right is if we ignored the downside. This post then becomes true of everything: "[If we ignore the downside, then] if given white supremacist group helps even one person, it is a good group."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 03:55 PM
1

To it's credit I stopped reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/15 03:07 AM
1

RP criticizing BP for believing in an evil patriarchal conspiracy is throwing stones in a glass house. There is no global patriarchal conspiracy just as there is no global feminist conspiracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 09:59 PM
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what i see and feel from vibes and observations You are literally an idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 09:56 PM
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The sub has been over this issue hundreds of times. Yes, some feminists are hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 09:55 PM
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Probably started off as a legit thing While I am not a proponent of 3rd-wave feminism, you have to try harder than this, man. At least read the wikipedia article on feminism; better yet, read some feminist writers. Never dismiss out of hand an ideology about which you don't know anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 09:53 PM
2

Yeah, it was "just a historical accident" in the same way that every aspect of Western culture was "just a historical accident."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 04:51 PM
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To the extent that a relationship is characterized by consistent in-person interaction, you barely have one at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 02:38 AM
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I find it hard to count that as a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/15 12:58 AM
1

Please explain to me how the space between the breasts is part of "overall body figure" in a way that the shape and form of the penis is not. They implicitly carry the connotation of sex. No more than breasts connote sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 08:25 PM
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Cleavage is just part of a woman's figure and if she chooses to show it, that's her prerogative. "A penis is just a part of a man's body and if he chooses to show it, that's his prerogative." Do you see how stupid that rationale is?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 07:52 PM
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I don't really do relationships, but if I did, both of those situations would make me anxious.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 07:18 PM
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Millennials would be happy, because they could all truly count themselves among a marginalized group.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 06:47 PM
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Esp if I could refuse to do all of the housework b/c "sexism"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 12:18 AM
1

Actually that's exactly how something stops being a misspelling. Moreover, one word can have more than one spelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 12:11 AM
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No. You said it being misspelled makes it "100x more retarded." I pointed out that that wasn't a misspelling. You then said that both spellings were equally retarded. "Spelling B is 100x worse than spelling A" can't be true if "spelling B is equal to spelling A."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 12:07 AM
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Those statements are totally inconsistent but w/e
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/15 12:02 AM
1

That's how it's often spelled.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 08:30 PM
1

It's widely used among the 22-23 year old tinderellas I meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 08:29 PM
1

Edit: Learning about new ideas and extending ones views can only ruin ignorance. This assumes that by internalizing the ideas thrown around on these forums, your understanding of gender relations somehow becomes more "true." It's possible that spending time here only gives you a different, weirder, less relatable perspective that's no more "true" than your original one.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 08:27 PM
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No. Everyone should should get 150 minutes of moderate cardio or 75 minutes of vigorous cardio per week to keep their heart healthy. Also, if you never do any cardio, chances are you're pretty shit in bed no matter how much you can bench.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 07:57 PM
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also, your passive aggressive downvoting of my comments really bolsters your arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 04:04 PM
0

Many black people are criminals. Certain black people are repeat offenders of horrific crimes, deserving of being locked away forever. Most areas that are hotbeds of crime are heavily black neighborhoods. This would be a good comparison if I had said anything like (1) "many TRPers are autistic"; and (2) "TRP is a hotbed of autistic behavior." That is, if I had made a completely different argument in which I actually, explicitly called TRPers autistic, you would be right. Since we live in the wor…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 04:04 PM
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A shortage of marriageable women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 03:57 PM
-1

Cardio is key.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 03:41 PM
0

You're saying that TRP advice is obvious to any non-autistic person. This implies that if TRP subscribers need to learn it, they must be autistic. That's not what I said. I said that "certain approaches, which are obvious to any non-autistic person," are more successful than other approaches. This necessarily implies that there are some approaches which are not obvious to a non-autistic person. Therefore, there are certain approaches that TRP teaches that are useful to non-autistic people. There…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 03:33 PM
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That wasn't very nice of your wife, /u/gavinok.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 01:02 AM
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OK... please show me how I "strongly suggest[ed] the truth of " the statement "TRPers are autistic." Also, you didn't address my argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/15 12:24 AM
0

Serious question: are you colorblind?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 11:55 PM
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I meant it literally—some approaches are so obvious that you would have to totally lack social awareness, like an autistic person, not to know them. I didn't say or imply anything about TRPers being autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 09:38 PM
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This is a false equivalence: dating success isn't at all like flipping a coin—certain approaches, which are obvious to any non-autistic person, are patently more successful than other approaches. Many of these patently successful approaches are common knowledge, and not at all unique to TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 08:31 PM
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your brethren My "brethren"? I guess I'll have to sit down and have a talk with my brothers, because surely you aren't suggesting that I somehow share in the responsibility for the actions of online harassers merely because I'm a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 08:21 PM
2

As an American, I don't hear that phrase often.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 07:30 PM
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You're admittedly a member of the "poly community" (lol). How can you think that your experiences are typical?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 06:51 PM
2

Do some men find high N counts attractive? Sure. Do most men not care about N count? I don't have a study indicating that men care or don't care about N count. However, the near universal reticence of most women re: disclosing their N counts to a new partner would seem to suggest that there are a good number of men who do care.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/15 06:50 PM
1

Great, now I have to count anyone who doesn't make me feel a mix of creeping dread and shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 10:23 PM
1

I believe that the gov't should not interfere with people's personal lives unless absolutely necessary, and should not interfere with the market unless it needs to correct an inefficiency that the market is incapable of correcting, or in certain limited situations to implement necessary distributive policies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 09:51 PM
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And? TRP often admits that it's for betas who are trying to mimic alpha traits. I fail to see how you could conclude that TRP holds that no alphas get married from TRP telling people on TRP not to marry. That would only follow if we assumed (1) that all alphas are on TRP, and (2) that all alphas on TRP do what TRP tells them to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 09:48 PM
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Exactly. The argument has a false premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 09:42 PM
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This situation should not happen if you have properly chosen your woman. This is exactly the no true Scotsman fallacy. OP: "You should choose a woman who has conservative values and a job—she won't take half your assets." TGP: "What if she decides to leave her job to take care of the kids?" You: "Well if you choose a woman with true conservative values, that won't be an issue."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 08:11 PM
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People "on the fringes of the social scene" are definitionally outliers, so idk how you thought that would make your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 04:40 PM
2

Hottest living actress imo
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 03:53 PM
1

Right, because attraction to physical beauty is never "developed through interacting with real women."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 03:52 PM
1

Those lists are purely focused on physical attraction. Whether the celebrity would be good relationship material doesn't enter into it. Also, some men do date attractive women, so not all men have your Pavlovian response to fat chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 03:48 PM
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Really? No woman should give advice to a man? So if I were depressed and I went to a female psychiatrist with a doctorate from Harvard Med, I should ignore her advice? Maybe this post applies to you, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 03:34 PM
1

I just mean "k" like "OK, cool story, man, but that's totally irrelevant to the discussion." Or "Are you seriously trying to rebut my argument that BP uses overuses outlier anecdotes with another outlier anecdote? OK..."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 02:59 PM
2

I'm not RP, you idiot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 04:42 AM
1

http://i.giflike.com/zGpqsjc
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/15 02:15 AM
2

ugh pop psych
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 10:17 PM
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also I would totally have asked the chess club captain of my school for a date so The inevitable BP outlier anecdote.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 10:05 PM
3

Turns out straight women are attracted to men after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/15 10:03 PM
1

They are not liberal in the political sense, insofar as they support the imposition of their dearly held moral views upon others. They are progressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 06:02 PM
1

Do you also want the government to wipe your ass for you, or do you accept at least that much personal responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 04:12 PM
1

It's not really irrelevant, because if FAs don't exist, then the gov't obviously can't have a duty to provide for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 03:51 PM
0

You're going about this all wrong. You never want to be in the position of a friend trying to interpret things that could only barely maybe mean that she's interested in you. She's not the Delphic oracle. There was no hidden message. She didn't like the guy who was hitting on her. Sorry man, but I think you need to look elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/15 03:37 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/4YGnHlp.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 10:50 PM
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k. Or, it may be the case that I am opposed to a woman getting an abortion on a whim, but because I'm not an idiot I realize that it would be impossible to draw a legislative line that would prevent such an act without also preventing necessary, justifiable abortions, and I am therefore not opposed to a woman's right to do so. Alternatively, I, like pretty much everyone, do not like the idea of any abortion; but also like most people who are capable of weighing the effects of two different optio…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 09:55 PM
4

Really interested to hear your reasoning there.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 09:31 PM
4

http://i.imgur.com/XdanMFW.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 09:26 PM
5

You can be opposed to a woman getting abortion without qualifications and not opposed to her right to get an abortion without qualifications. I am pro-choice but, as are most people in most instances, anti-abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 09:25 PM
18

I have to concede that it seems reasonable to hold that more people are more accepting of extreme misandry than of extreme misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 07:47 PM
2

You also care whether the pencil sharpener continues to work, and sharpening pencils gradually wears away at the pencil sharpener as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 07:23 PM
2

implying a pencil cares if it's sharpened
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 07:14 PM
1

My analogy is just as valid as the lock and key analogy. Except it isn't, because the whole point of the lock and key analogy is that women have an easier time getting laid than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 06:41 PM
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Both sides are deplorably bigoted. It's unfortunate that such hateful views as laid out in the Guardian article are seen as at all acceptable, but I think that the huge majority of people—men and women—are alienated by both misandry and misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 06:29 PM
2

Once sexbots are able to fool the common man Do you have any idea how hard it is to take shit like this seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 04:46 PM
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The decrease in value is equal to the perceived decrease in value by people like /u/makethemsayayy.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 04:44 PM
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Sex robots aren't going to have a greater impact on the world than real dolls do now. It's bizarre that anyone would think otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 02:43 PM
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Plenty of women want casual sex. I don't know if that makes you uncomfortable, or if women just don't want casual sex with you, but it's definitely the case that a lot of young women just want random sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 02:18 PM
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more harassment, dick pics, etc, This has nothing to do with the anology.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 04:10 AM
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It doesn't mean I don't understand the subject. It means your subject is easily misunderstood This doesn't follow. It could just mean that you aren't very smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:11 PM
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I doubt that any TRPer on PPD thinks that there aren't exceptional relationships, given that every BP woman here claims to be happily married to a short, Eskimo, peglegged tollbooth operator with ED.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:08 PM
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Then necessarily what you're saying is that male feminists view feminism as a pyrrhic victory.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:33 PM
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Weeaboo?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 04:44 PM
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The only people I see claiming this is a pyrrhic victory are men, because it has been for them How can it be a victory for women and pyrrhic victory for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 03:38 PM
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I think you're giving objectivism too much credit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 03:11 PM
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But I for one would be taking the sex every time if I wasn't. I think almost all men would. idk what OP is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 11:42 PM
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You sound proud of it. Almost like you're using your improbable number of disorders as an excuse not to do anything with your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 04:16 PM
2

How are you "very mentally ill."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 04:10 PM
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Do you have a real job? I'm supportive of trans people, but frankly I find the idea of not identifying as either gender very hard to take seriously. I strongly suspect that you're a navel-gazing, aimless young person who would be greatly helped by having to, for probably the first time in your life, live up to external expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 04:04 PM
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"Cis-" doesn't mean "same," it means "on this side of"; e.g. Cisalpine Gaul—Gaul this side of the Alps. "Trans-" doesn't mean "different" either—it means "across, through, over, beyond, on the other side of." E.g. Transalpine Gaul—Gaul on the other side of the Alps.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 03:56 PM
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If your hatred of transsexuals is rooted in Stephen King books and probably a cracked.com article on the uncanny valley, then maybe you should try, like, actually learning about transsexualism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 03:53 PM
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I wish you would spend more time on your posts. They're always unnecessarily long.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 03:51 PM
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The low n-count thing. Also, I'm not attracted to trans women, which apparently makes me a bigot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 02:41 PM
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Not according to common consensus and the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 05:10 AM
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Oh wait, you're a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 12:16 AM
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loool "Vaginas? Gross!" How old are you bro
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 12:15 AM
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Some women can't orgasm from PIV alone. Maybe if you're not interested in getting her off, you shouldn't give head. I like for everybody to have a good time, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/15 12:14 AM
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"Hey Timmy: lift and take care of yourself... because all women are disgusting, subhuman whores." You have all of the moral fortitude of a twentysomething loser selling weed to high school kids, and I'm sure you're comparably "successful."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:40 PM
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Please don't pay attention to this idiot. Don't read BP or RP. Just go live your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 07:28 PM
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No, you're too young for this. Please don't come back here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 06:13 PM
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I just like to argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 05:39 PM
2

IKEA is dorm furniture: it's the opposite of pretentious.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 05:27 PM
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is comfortable crying in front of me lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 05:22 PM
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The keyword to the Vigenère cipher that is female advice to men on dating women is this: "This is advice for someone who already turns me on." You're partly right, though: marriage is a tough deal for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 05:20 PM
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Dude, work out. That will improve your appearance and you confidence, and separately your confidence will improve because of the improvement in your appearance. It will snowball. Increase your confidence further by going out and meeting people, with a focus on talking to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/15 04:50 PM
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aside from the fact I don't have a job (beta bux?) Bro, your vaunted success with women is about to come to an abrupt end unless you get a serious source of income. Also, having a job isn't being beta bux lool
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 05:31 PM
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Yikes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 05:00 PM
3

a swastika is also an ancient Hindu symbol lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:47 PM
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As I've said before, I think TRP is right about some things: showing too much interest early on is a mood killer; being serious and not playful is a mood killer; women prefer men who have the attention of other women; acting aloof is a good way to get/keep women's attention. But I also think that everything that TRP is right about is severable from their open misogyny. It's like if someone you knew had a fast, fuel efficient car with a big swastika painted on the side. If he asked you why people…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:43 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/crgPiwj.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:33 PM
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No number of halfbaked, wet-brained dailymail or Salon thinkpieces are going to limply reason me out of liking twentysomething legs and asses.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:51 AM
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Oh, I agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:40 AM
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Are you really saying that because chimps rape female chimps, such behavior would be natural for humans?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 03:03 AM
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Yes, it's a conspiracy! WoooOOOoooOOOooo
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/15 02:13 AM
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I'm turned off by women who are too forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 11:12 PM
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Trading partner A for partner B because A is inferior to B I want you to read this a few times, and then reread the definition of hypergamy that I wrote for you above. If you're still confused as to the difference between them, please feel free to post again.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 10:58 PM
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hy·per·ga·my hīˈpərɡəmē/ noun the action of marrying a person of a superior caste or class. from hyper- "above" + Greek gamos "marriage." You can have whatever definition of it that you want, but yours is not the definition used by literally the rest of the English speaking world.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 08:06 PM
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If beta Mortimer the computer janitor is on TRP writing screeds about how women are stupid, shallow subhumans, then both of them are misogynistic. The first guy is a worse person, obviously—but that doesn't prevent both people from being misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 05:19 PM
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Knowing how to move your hips and getting excited about me cumming are good things. Also having slender legs that look good when they're spread. Also tbf some women are just tighter than others. I know that for some reason that's a controversial statement, but I know it to be true from personal experience. Tighter is more fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 04:55 PM
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"I'm the mod who permabanned /u/SmurfESmurferson. AMA."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 04:27 AM
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I think the answer to this is super simple: men can't be hypergamous because women don't date down.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 04:05 AM
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If TRP were a place for men to get together to talk about relationships and self-improvement, nobody would hate it. Very few people would know about it. It's TRP's virulent misogyny that people hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/15 03:59 AM
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Men grow in an important way in relationships with women ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) But in all seriousness, I think that female validation is an essential part of being a man. It's only one of many, to be sure—but it is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/15 05:08 PM
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I'm so tired of your posts. Go to /r/relationships. If you really can't figure out how to get a guy hard, maybe you shouldn't be dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/15 01:28 AM
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So by your logic, any sex no matter what can be rape, despite the man getting explicit, verbal consent from the woman? Do you have any idea (1) how fucking insane that is, and (2) how destructive of healthy sexual interaction any law that took this seriously would be?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/15 01:08 AM
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I almost never agree with RP on rape/resistance/consent issues, but here... If an adult woman willingly goes to the apartment of a man after a date, they start making out, the man asks if she will go down on him, and the woman verbally consents, then any misunderstanding is on her. If the woman in question really is too fragile to say no, then she shouldn't be dating. Or at least she shouldn't be going over to men's apartments. The man in this hypothetical did everything right, and it's insane t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/15 01:04 AM
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Mediocre.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 05:34 PM
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So you just gave up arguing to make some unrelated point about your own agency? I hate arguing with progressives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 03:56 PM
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But I don't wear them in public because it's considered weird for a guy to wear that I wear those kinds of briefs (under shorts) ...what you're saying here supports my argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 03:55 PM
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why do women wear them everywhere Notice that I wrote "why do women wear them everywhere," not "why does /u/GridReXX wear them everywhere."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 01:51 AM
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They may well be more comfortable when working out, but why do women wear them everywhere? Do you not shower and change after you exercise?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/15 12:11 AM
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Male runners very rarely just wear skintight pants—they usually wear them under something. I've probably run thousands of miles more than you have, and I've only seen a guy wearing yoga pant-type leggings without shorts a few times. As for the comfort argument: why don't you wear sweat pants? The obvious answer is that sweat pants don't get you as much male attention as do yoga pants. I mean, if you want to wear yoga pants, fine. But don't insult our intelligence by trying to argue that you only…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 10:55 PM
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I've always asked. It's such an easy thing to do—the cost of prevention is so low, and the potential harm so great, that it's absurd not to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 08:04 PM
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Glad to hear you guys finally come out and say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 06:43 PM
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Have you ever been on a call with a telemarketer or interacting with a salesperson and told them no, and then they just keep on talking? It's high pressure sales. Is this seriously your argument? If a telemarketer keeps pushing and gets something wrong, the result is not the rape of a human being.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 02:49 AM
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being that single mothers exhibit more mercenary type gold digging behavior at a high enough rate to be wary. Add in that your happiness will always be second to the welfare of her child. (And also the baggage of you not being the father, both in her valuing you, and the indignity of essentially being a cuckold) And just in general TRP advocates always having an exit plan, and prizing your commitment dearly. For which she's going to try to lock you down hard. There's also the whole idea that a s…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/15 01:43 AM
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"Single mothers are subhuman filth," and "women don't really mean it when they say they don't want sex" are two that come to mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 11:07 PM
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Substitute any other thing the "what" of which we understand and the "why" of which we don't, and the post is saying the same thing. Gravity was just one possible example. Are you autistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 08:41 PM
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I've met lots of AB lawyers. I'd say a large percentage of biglaw lawyers are AB.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 08:37 PM
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I'm trying to say that your /r/iamverysmart gravity tangent is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 08:35 PM
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Yea there are gaps "Yea" ≠ "yeah." "Yea" is an archaic form of "yes," pronounced "yay," and almost never used today except in voting, where it is the opposite of "nay." Unlike "yay," it's not a mere interjection, and can be used as an adverb or a noun. It is commonly associated with the Jacobean era, probably because of its heavy use in the King James Bible, which, coincidentally, was the first state sanctioned English translation... Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were being needlessly pedantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 08:31 PM
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I only sometimes agree with TRP on the "what"; I almost never agree with the "why." Their observations about what typically happens in straight relationships are sometimes pretty accurate; their explanations for why those things happen are frequently bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 07:22 PM
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a free prostitute or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 04:31 PM
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I put as much stock in BP field reports as I do in RP field reports, which is to say none at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 04:26 PM
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I'm getting the sense that you're a little bit resentful of financially successful people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 01:35 PM
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it's not as reliable a measure of character, personality and abilities as other things, i.e. political views I think this is a big difference between progressives and I in how we see the world. I would never judge somebody to have a good character despite personal failings just because they said they had certain political views.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 01:32 PM
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On PPD? Seems pretty crazy on both sides. In general, RP seems a little more unbalanced than BP.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 05:21 AM
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I don't believe that anyone has "inherent value."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 12:58 AM
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This is a meaningless statement. Show me how to measure the "inherent value" of any person.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 12:17 AM
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When it comes to consent, regardless of what women might "actually" want, it is essential never to disregard what she says. In other areas, however, disregarding what she says is often a successful strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 12:12 AM
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This is actually one of the few things on which I agree with RP: women, at least in my experience, are not good at verbalizing what they want. And when they ostensibly do tell you what women want, that advice is often misleading. It takes some time for a man to come to understand women, and the only way for him to do so is through experience. But once he has, it is best that he stick to his own understanding about what women want, and, where appropriate, disregard what women say that they want. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/15 12:09 AM
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Xemnas, stop posting. Take a break from Reddit for a week. See how you feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 10:30 PM
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If it happens you will see more supreme gentlemen and militant mgtow doing crazy rape shit and it'll be justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 08:01 PM
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If humans are naturally polygamous, they are naturally polygynous. Polyandry is extremely rare in human history.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 07:56 PM
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His family sending him to a psychiatrist ≠ him being medicated against his will. Were you seriously trying to argue that? How heavily are you medicated?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 06:24 PM
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fwiw, if my son suddenly started spewing these misogynist buzzwords and clearly being very distressed about what he was reading, esp. if he was going through some issues, I would restrict his access to certain corners of the internet too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 05:01 PM
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So if Xem was reading about psychiatry and his Dad took away his computer and forced him to go to Scientology lessons Yes, because that's what's happening here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 04:59 PM
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"controlling what he reads" = telling him not to read TRP "telling him what to think" = telling him that being a TRP style misogynist shut-in is a stupid idea And I see no evidence of him being "medicat[ed] against his will."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 04:44 PM
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I meant like literature. The world of gender relationships is much broader than that depicted here, and literature does a good job of illuminating parts of it. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 04:50 AM
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It's pretty culty how you're trying to tell him that his family is not looking out for his best interests, and that he should distance himself from them if they don't follow RP ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 04:48 AM
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Yeah... don't let TRP get between you and your father. If your parents are overbearing, I'm sure a therapist will tease that out and you can work on it together. Don't let some idiot on reddit tell you, on the basis of a few posts, what the nature of your relationship with your parents is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 04:47 AM
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27 and I get laid by women with whom I'm not in LTRs and I go out, which seem to be uncommon things here. e: Xemnas your age makes a lot of sense. Because that's an impressionable age, I would frankly advise you to take a break from PPD/TRP, and spend more time going out and reading books and seeing what you can make of the world on your own, before all this baseless speculation about evopsych and mate selection crystalizes in you and you can't see things from another perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/15 04:38 AM
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You're one among very few quality posters on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 09:55 PM
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You're not even a very good Randian.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 06:53 PM
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Birdlike, methadone look.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 05:18 PM
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He doesn't look like he has the willpower for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 05:12 PM
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Dumpy, tasteless Reddit couple to have dumpy, tasteless child. News at 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 05:07 PM
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[citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 03:20 PM
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Women are bad at empathy. Sorry, that just doesn't seem to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 02:28 PM
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I think you both need to just fuck each other and get it over with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 05:03 AM
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I really don't know why you feel the need to tell everyone how horny you are all of the time. Please go out to a bar or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 04:32 AM
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No, I don't think we can accept this kind of circular logic: "TRP exists because the sexual revolution and feminism have ruined things for men, and the sexual revolution and feminism must have ruined things for men because TRP exists." You should be able to do better than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 04:25 AM
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decoupled Pun intended?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 04:23 AM
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Women suck at empathy I really don't think this is true. I think that it may be true that in many cases, a woman may have a hard time being empathetic with a man with whom they are in a relationship, because a certain degree of empathy presupposes relative weakness, which is, in my opinion, per se unattractive for most women. This is a problem, of course. But watch an average woman interact with a child, or with another woman, or with in some cases a man with whom she is a friend, and tell me th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 04:20 AM
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You're either too stupid to debate with or you're trolling. Either way, I hope things get better for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 03:10 AM
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If you're not going to seriously discuss the issues at hand, idk why you're even on this sub. Do you not have friends to socialize with? That's not really what this is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 03:06 AM
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I never said they were cool. I said frat guys get laid. Your confusion there doesn't really count in your favor, man.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 03:00 AM
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Sure it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 02:54 AM
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I'm sorry, but if you really think that athletic guys in well-heeled fraternities don't get laid often, then you're not very smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 02:51 AM
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Then you either didn't go, or you went to the nerdy frat's parties. Guys in respectable frats get laid all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 02:48 AM
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Were you just not invited to frat parties?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 02:43 AM
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then why are they so picky Because they can be. If you're hungry all the time, but you can get 5 star restaurant food for the same price as 1 star restaurant food, why the fuck would you ever not get 5 star food?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 02:23 AM
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Did you go to college?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/15 02:21 AM
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Contradiction in terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/15 08:13 PM
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Actually I think it would be fair to say that person is unimaginative.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 09:30 PM
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This would only make sense if the couple was trying to achieve Red Pill relationship goals. What? Not at all. He's asking if you can see relationship issues in RP terms. He's not asking if RP terms are the best terms with which to describe relationship issues. Maybe you misunderstood the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 07:55 PM
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The RP explanation for your experience would be that you rationalized the breakup on the basis of a lack of or bad communication, when in fact you broke up with your ex because he had fallen in value in your eyes (even if you were not conscious of it). The communication issue was a pretense, like WMDs or something. Frankly, I think that if you can't even see relationship issues through an RP lens, you're just not a very imaginative person. Of course, you're free to think the RP explanation is wr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 07:53 PM
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RP offers one possible vocabulary with which to describe relationships. The fact that it is a complete vocabulary does not necessarily mean that an RP explanation is somehow more true than a non-RP explanation, it just means that there usually is an RP explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/15 06:17 PM
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Your dad is jealous of the fact that you might not be limited to dating the obese, and is trying to justify his decisions to himself. You should, however, have realistic standards. Also, don't be such a drama queen: Your parents can't legally force you to marry anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 11:31 PM
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So, according to you, it would be immoral for a woman to hook up with a hot guy she met at a club solely on the basis of his looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 11:28 PM
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life is easier when you look like brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie When you look like... both of them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 08:48 PM
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tbf I didn't include in the OP, but it's actually the bigger problem Nobody likes a moving target. It doesn't make sense to leave out the more important half of your argument and assume that we... guess what it is? Either way, this new argument of yours doesn't seem to have any bearing on the use of a rating system for men and women. Men have sorted women by attractiveness probably since prehistory, and certainly since we've had written records. Women have likely done the same for men and status…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 08:46 PM
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I have toxic sexusl sham from a religious upbringing combined with low self esteem and a difficulty with social norms PPD posters be like
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 08:26 PM
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I agree with RP on many things. I refuse to associate myself with RP, however, because of the blatant misogyny in that sub, the culture of bitterness, and their very narrow worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 07:35 PM
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I see that you've changed your argument from "The rating system doesn't make sense!" to "The rating system is immoral!" Those are not the same position.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 07:18 PM
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This is probably about right for me too. So many women could drastically improve their prospects if they kept a healthy BMI.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 05:28 PM
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Wow, so deep.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 04:52 PM
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Are you seriously asking him to delineate every difference between men and women, and to compare them against all of the similarities we share?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 02:11 PM
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I'm only trying to point out that we have more in common than not. But you didn't do this. All you did is acknowledge differences, then make a conclusory statement that those differences aren't very big.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 02:06 PM
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OP's post: "Men and women are pretty much the same... because of all of the following differences."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 02:04 PM
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Pretty self explanatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 04:31 AM
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Fuck that. I'll be fucking tinder dates in my Manhattan apartment for the foreseeable future, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 01:14 AM
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It's possible that you're recognizing "undateable" traits after the fact: they fail to get a date, and you rationalize that by focusing on some trait that, in your mind, must have been the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 12:24 AM
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His problem was that he was short and fat and probably hitting on attractive women, but many people don't want to admit this because it would mean (1) that they'd have to admit that most women are superficial to a large degree (they are, and so are most men); and (2) it would mean that, largely, this man's problems are not fixable, and he should resign himself to a lonely life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 12:15 AM
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I don't like the word "creep." I've never been called a creep, and, for some reason that I don't understand, women seem to like me... but the lack of a consensus on the definition of the word, or on the behavior that it is meant to describe, combined with the power (real or imagined) that the word has to ostracize men, has always made me a little uneasy. I've heard it described as a pushy man who won't take no for an answer. If this were the definition, I'd be fine with it: the behavior would be…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/15 12:06 AM
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Maybe you should lighten up ¯_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 08:23 PM
1

Go back to /r/NoFap.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 08:21 PM
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Sorry, is it an RP belief that premenarche 14-year-olds are sexually desirable?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 12:45 AM
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That doesn't mean I've never known anyone who works in IT. In my experience, the "IT guys are nerds" stereotype is not baseless.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 12:41 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 12:22 AM
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Men in IT seem more likely not to be traditionally masculine. Therefore, your opinion of whether non-masculine men tend to get laid could be skewed, and not reflective of non-IT experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/15 12:16 AM
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Is it appropriate for you to be making these posts as a mod?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 11:13 PM
0

But you work in IT.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 11:09 PM
0

How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/15 10:30 PM
1

Here's a related question that I've been thinking about: Are any of the women here normal women? Or are you all like chloe or HappilySingleWoman and the female equivalent of liminal omega males?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 08:23 PM
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What a surprise: you're all super racist, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 08:15 PM
1

core TRP tenants They're living together now? edit: sudo-intellectuals
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 08:13 PM
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Whether or not RP advocates men marrying lower status women, there remains the very real preference that most women have for higher status men. Therefore, an alimony scheme that essentially rewards the lower status partner for divorce must necessarily, in the majority of cases and assuming that relationships play out in accordance with female preferences, result in an unfair benefit to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 08:05 PM
3

Well said. I think Machiavellianism would be better called Talleyrandism frankly. Talleyrandism, Metternichism, Bismarkism—any of these would work.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/15 06:30 PM
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You do realize that the Western emphasis on individualism has existed since at least the 5th Century BC, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 09:29 PM
3

Do you want to try to reformat this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 06:13 PM
1

Always the attitude of pathetic men without purchase in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 05:43 PM
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91/100 I blame law school. I also assume that I'm one of a relatively small number of "Machiavellians" who have actually read Machiavelli. Also this test relies on self reporting and therefore is probably not very reliable, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 04:47 PM
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collage parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 06:19 AM
1

For some people, a "straw man argument" is a coherent response to their original point that they're not capable of dealing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 06:15 AM
3

This is an idiotic argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 06:03 AM
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This post is a great example of TRP's adolescent fixations and disconnectedness from the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/15 02:48 AM
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Because after one bad relationship five years ago you've been celibate, socially isolated, and probably spending a lot of time reading misogynist screeds on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:17 PM
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I thought your flair was an ironic joke about the RP idea that "post-wall" women dramatically change their attitudes toward sex. The real story is... disturbing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:19 PM
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Then he laughed. A sort of high pitched nerd cackle. That was it. I knew what his problem was, and why he was alone. What a terrifying conception of the world you have, where one idiosyncrasy can destroy a man of otherwise acceptable SMV. I promise you that the most alienating thing about the guy who makes "True Forced Loneliness" videos on Youtube is not his weird laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 04:36 PM
1

If I'm considering someone for an LTR I always ask about partner count.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 04:03 PM
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I wouldn't word it that way, but I too have a visceral response to a woman who has a high n-count. Even if she's a one night stand or casual fuck and I can tell that she's been with a lot of men, I won't ask because actually hearing her say it would possibly mean the end of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:43 AM
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The shaming argument is a straw man. Nobody is arguing that promiscuous women should be shamed. We're merely arguing that men should be entitled to prefer non-promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:35 AM
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The 'general public' kind of sucks. Who wants that validation? Don't cut yourself on that edge.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:32 AM
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A better argument is that it is hypocritical, but no more hypocritical than what women expect of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:32 AM
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Everyone has a "right to complain." But women who complain about men having a preference for a low n-count are going to make about as much headway as men who complain about women who prefer taller men. Preferences exist, and, though they can change, they probably aren't going to anytime soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:31 AM
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If you go around lying about someone raping you (and claiming who they are) you are intentionally and knowingly slandering them. You know it will damage their reputation, you know it can affect their life and future prospects Whether or not slanderous intent is a necessary corollary to defamation (it isn't) is a moot point, because it's not an element of the offense. Every first year law student knows that defamation is an (1) intentional and (2) defamatory statement that is (3) published (which…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 02:34 AM
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just know your choices have consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 02:26 AM
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Here's the exchange we just had: You: To prove defamation you have to prove "that she made it up to slander him." Me: No, there's no intent element. You: You have to prove that it was false, you fucking idiot! Do you see where you went wrong there? Proving that a statement was false ≠ proving "that she made it up to slander him."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 02:13 AM
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"The younger generation is shallow and vain! No, I'm not just jealous of their youth and vitality and the fact that they're fucking more than I am." -Every generation in human history, ever
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 01:48 AM
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If you're so far gone that you're blaming ER's shooting spree on feminism, you need to sit down by yourself in a quiet place and have a good, hard think about your principles.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 01:42 AM
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Developmental neuropsychologist James Prescott found that bodily pleasure and violence have an either/or relationship Tell that to sadomasochists, or many young men I used to know who both fought and got laid (unlike me, of course...).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 01:38 AM
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nor can she be (successfully) sued for defamation because there would have to be proof showing that she made it up to slander him Classically, defamation does not have an intent element. I assume you haven't been to law school.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 01:35 AM
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He's trying to get you to see that your argument would necessarily be slut-shaming if applied to women, which you must be categorically opposed to as a bitter, simpering, thought-policed feminist (his words, not mine).
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 01:53 AM
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I've met one woman who I would call "crazy" Then you've met, at most, only one of my exes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 01:51 AM
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wow great answer here's another one: the world is flat because religion says so http://i.imgur.com/z7i5dsQ.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 01:48 AM
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There are more countries than America Please don't make these blatantly absurd statements. This is a forum for serious discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 01:44 AM
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Nothing 100% prevents any crime Yeah but this admission defeats the point that he's trying to make. If nothing can 100% prevent rape, then it's not analytically any different from rape accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 01:43 AM
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classic liberals progressives*
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 11:02 PM
1

What?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 11:01 PM
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I'm not going to stop having sex after bar dates for fear of false rape accusations. There's nothing that you can do that contains no risk; and for me, the benefit of occasionally hooking up with a tinder date greatly outweighs the very small risk that I would be falsely accused of rape by a psychopath. I also tend not to worry about it because, as I've said elsewhere, I always ask for consent. I know this doesn't completely obviate the risk, but making sure that your partner is OK with everythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 10:01 PM
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I've never done any of those... but then I don't suffer from paranoid personality disorder.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 07:13 PM
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I've had sex with a lot of women and every single time I've asked if she wanted to. If your asking for consent turns her off, then she probably wasn't very hot for it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:51 PM
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Because they're all sophisticated Jamesian pragmatists /s
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:38 PM
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If you're asking how a man can protect against someone in the world merely accusing him of a crime: he can't. Nor can women, for that matter. Anyone can, theoretically, be accused of anything by anyone. This is such a simple answer that I'm not sure why you felt the need to ask. Everyone is, of course, protected by the negative reputational and legal consequences that would affect a false accuser.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:32 PM
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As with every other crime, rape must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury. If there is no evidence of any sex whatsoever, there is not going to be a rape conviction. If this is the case, then the woman will likely be prosecuted for false rape claims, defamation, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:25 PM
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chupan Do you mean Chopin?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:18 PM
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The prevalence of these threads makes me think that a lot of you don't have friends with whom to discuss these things, which in turn makes me wonder why I'm listening to what you have to say about relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 05:33 PM
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I also remember a car wreck I once saw, and for similar reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:19 AM
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I just remember you getting really excited about sex robots.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 05:49 AM
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Aren't you incel?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 05:25 AM
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What a stupid thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 02:06 AM
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To your first point: I am a moderately handsome and fit young student at one of the best law schools in the world. OP is an older man who has to resort, no offense to OP, to websites where you pay women to date you. I can't be totally sure, but it seems extremely likely that the women that I date are significantly more attractive than the women OP does. To your second: I don't believe you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 08:23 PM
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I promise you she's not as hot as the girls that I can get. e: thanks for the automatic downvote.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 05:25 AM
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Wow, that sucks man. I'd never pay that much for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 02:29 AM
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It only "entitles" you to what you two agree on, with the qualification that she can nullify the "contract" at any time. And $150 may not be a lot for you, but for a young woman who's struggling it can be a big deal. I'm not saying absolutely that you are a sugar daddy, but you asked our opinion and, based on what you've told us, that's the impression that I got.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 11:24 PM
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I would just advise you to treat this as a very risky investment: only go forward if the interest is high enough to justify the high risk of default.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 08:50 PM
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Yikes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 08:46 PM
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Because you buy her meals without her having to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 08:44 PM
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One of those rare times when I agree w/ /u/Atlas_B_Shruggin. You're basically a sugar daddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 08:44 PM
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I'm going to write a think piece bewailing the problems of men who refuse to hook up with women who aren't 9/10 or better.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 04:50 PM
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So because a queendom.com "Which Disney Prince Are You!" personality test asks "questions designed to probe how [my] brain works," it is also valid? If not, you're going to have to come up with another justification for the MBTI.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 04:41 PM
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In my experience, there's nothing wrong with being nice per se. It's being a "nice guy" that's problematic: acting like a liminal friend and servant is no way to attract a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 06:03 AM
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See, I have no sympathy for the "nice guy" who claims to have been "misled by society" into thinking that women wanted him to be a human doormat so much that they would reward that behavior with sex. Similarly, I have no sympathy for the woman who refuses to date a man who didn't go to a graduate school with an equal or higher U.S. News ranking.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 06:00 AM
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I don't think that this is what most women have in mind when they refuse to "date down."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 05:53 AM
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Seconded.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 05:48 AM
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Why don't you just ask our astrological signs? That would be about as useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 05:47 AM
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I guess I agree about ghosting. But I don't think that (1) the fact that these women see him as a "beta" with whom they could settle down necessarily means that they intend to settle down with him: it seems just as likely that they would like to get to know him to see if they are romantically and sexually compatible (that is, they would like to date); and (2) even if it were the case that they were exclusively seeking long-term relationships with him, I don't think that one has an obligation to …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 10:04 PM
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I'm also not entirely sure how what he's doing is immoral. Are people not permitted to date short-term? He doesn't claim to be tricking them into thinking they'd be getting married or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 09:44 PM
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Many men find a high n-count unattractive. Many do not. It could be bad for them in that a potential mate would turn them down on the basis of their high n-count. And before you say it: it doesn't matter that you think those men are stupid for having that preference. Preferences exist, and the fact of the matter is that those women may lose out because of their former promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 09:40 PM
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I have little sympathy for these "highly educated," "high status" women. I think that their strict criteria for men are unsubtle and appallingly classist, and, even though I would likely meet those criteria, I'd much rather spend my time with less rigidly demanding, more inclusive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 09:36 PM
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No. Go back to your Philosophy 101 course. Randians lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 06:23 AM
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Morally, not legally, two old friends owe each other a duty of fair dealing. Anyway, I was trying to explain my position to someone else, I wasn't asking this question to get everyone's input.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 05:03 AM
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I'm not sure this isn't a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:48 AM
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What the actual fuck are you talking about? If you don't like to argue ideas in the abstract, go somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:46 AM
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Would you say that in, for example, a contract between old friends, each friend owes the other a duty of fair dealing?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:41 AM
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Can you link to your response?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:33 AM
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This would be an egregious civil rights violation, and also impossible to implement.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:31 AM
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Did you have a stroke?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:28 AM
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That's not what tyranny of low expectations means. A tyranny of low expectations is where e.g. one group in society only expects another group in that society to put its shoes on the right feet in the morning, and therefore that second group never reaches its potential as it would if its members were expected to be fully functional, reliable members of society. It functions on a society-wide level. A single man's expectation (or that of a small group of men, like RP) that women are going to act …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:24 AM
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No, that's not how that works. You can't say, "Bad arguments are in there... probably! Prove that they aren't!" You made the claim. Provide the evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:16 AM
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I think this is a bad argument. I also think that /u/cincilator could have formulated the duty more clearly: a TRPer might argue that men don't owe women a duty of fair dealing in the negotiations, as it were, of the SMP. That is, if women don't owe men fidelity, men don't need to be scrupulously straightforward with women, so long as those men's actions remain legal. Note that this is not what I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:14 AM
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This is an instrumental argument, not a moral one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:10 AM
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It's arguably immoral to take advantage of the anger of vulnerable young men who have just left a painful relationship to induct them into your misogyny cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/15 12:07 AM
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which is an admittal that I stopped reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/15 04:55 PM
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Maybe better than BP writers, but certainly not good writers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 10:01 PM
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I sincerely hope that you don't think that anyone on TRP is a good writer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 09:50 PM
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My advice would depend on the specifics of the situation. Without more information, idk what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 08:04 PM
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Yeah I never really understood the justification for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 05:38 PM
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This is stupid and I'm going to assume that you're a troll until you can prove otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/15 05:38 PM
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idk if you knew this, but informed opinions are often backed up by facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 04:28 PM
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If you really think that war is something exclusive to white men then I will buy you a world history book so that you can look at even just the table of contents and realize how stupid that belief is. e: whoops, got trolled.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 04:27 PM
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War is an artificial tool of capitalist market manipulation Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 04:22 PM
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it stifles the growth of men and women [citation needed]
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 04:03 PM
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I don't identify with either pill. I think sex work will always exist, and banning it entirely causes more problems than it solves.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 04:01 PM
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Unless you're Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, everyone in a relationship is in a situation where their SO could potentially find, and be happier with, someone else. Every relationship is already to some degree born out of desperation, because everyone hooks up with the best they can get. I don't care how happy you are with your husband. If, at the beginning of the relationship, you had the opportunity to start a different relationship with a funnier, more confident, wealthier, higher status, and m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/15 12:16 AM
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Contemporary feminism is, as far as I'm concerned, divisible into two camps: (1) The reasonable belief that everyone should be treated equally before the law, and that men and women should, for the most part, be treated the same way; and (2) The neurotic preoccupation with non-issues like gender roles in Disney movies, and whether or not men sit with their legs too close together or far apart on the subway. The second type is the focus of unhappy women, usually with a college education, a tepid …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 11:50 PM
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Were you not sure about the gay thing until you watched her strip? What an interesting thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 11:21 PM
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You're missing the point. If a woman is a Harvard graduate, then regardless of her degree, her pool of men of comparable social/cultural capital is going to be small.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 08:43 PM
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What a strange argument. Class entails taste, undoubtedly, but I strongly disagree with the contention that class is taste.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 08:31 PM
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"I don't see it often, therefore it must not be popular."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 08:24 PM
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A GS degree from Harvard is significant cultural capital though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 08:23 PM
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Some women like anal and spanking. What, are you trying to slut shame them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 05:42 PM
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They are not a naturally occurring part of sex. Haha what is a "naturally occurring part of sex"? Condoms certainly aren't. Neither is sexy underwear. If we follow this train of thought to its logical conclusion, "natural" sex is probably a naked, pre-historic man taking a woman pretty much against her will.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 05:39 PM
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This is the first time I've ever agreed with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 05:37 PM
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It's really not at all clear that porn has a negative effect on sex drive or ability to be in a healthy sexual relationship, regardless of what the /r/nofap cult believes. I think that if porn has made people more kinky, it's merely because it has exposed people to new ideas. More people know about BDSM now than before, therefore more people are curious about it, therefore more people want to try it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 05:11 PM
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Obviously when I wrote "refuse to date someone who isn't in their own social class" I meant refusal to date because of the difference in social class. But I can tell that you're very uncomfortable saying that a woman's preference for someone in her own social class is classist, so I won't press you on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 04:33 PM
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Why is it not classist for many women to refuse to date someone who isn't in their own social class? Is that not definitionally classist?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 04:22 PM
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It is super classist. I wonder how these women reconcile that to their presumably progressive politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 04:08 PM
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Most women seem to want someone who is their "equal" or better. That's close enough to hypergamy for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 03:57 PM
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Please show me any evidence that VICE was ever good.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 03:49 PM
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Even if catcalling were a natural instinct, that would not excuse it. Murder is a natural instinct. Masturbation is a natural instinct, yet doing it in public is not excusable. OP shoots himself in the foot when he admits that "Normally in society we don't judge people for following normal, natural inclinations if they're not hurting anyone else," because the public embarrassment and discomfort associated with catcalling are a harm, and therefore by OP's own formulation catcalling should not be …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 03:39 PM
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I don't care what TRP insists. As for it "not being a discussion," you're the one who brought it up
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 03:29 PM
1

Shouldn't you be shooting something into your arm?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 03:28 PM
1

McDonald's isn't for me. You can find me in one of the hundreds of world-class Manhattan restaurants though.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 03:24 PM
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Ours isn't 50 percent either. Another solid contribution to the discussion, /u/HappilySingleWoman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 06:33 AM
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We also boast some of the best universities in the world, the world's largest GDP, the world's largest army, the tenth highest quality of life in the world. We're also the twentieth freest country. Greece, on the other hand, is the European nation equivalent of the bum cousin who won't move off of the living room couch. It hasn't contributed to the world since the fall of Constantinople in the 15th Century (and arguably long before that). It's not even in the top 30 countries for quality of life…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 06:20 AM
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Greeks seem much less miserable than the Americans despite what they're going through Typical of a weaker, esp. a European country to point to America's failings in an attempt to assert moral superiority. We're not perfect, no. But we're a damn sight better than Greece. But don't worry: like the failed high school athlete who now works at Subway, Greece can always nostalgically look back to the glory days... only at least the athlete actually himself earned his glory.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 06:12 AM
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If you're a Greek with a chip on her shoulder about other countries think they're superior to Greece, you're going to have a rough life.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 04:06 AM
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You can tell a post is a bad post when it can be dismissed by simply saying "Yeah, and?" That is, when, as here, the truth of the assertion has no bearing on our continued debate about gender relations. What's your point? Nobody is saying that there is some immutable natural law that demands that a woman take her husband's name in marriage. It's just a tradition in the U.S., and some men and women prefer it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 01:23 AM
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TRP would do well to distance itself from people like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 01:20 AM
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Again, your bare statement that that is the case is not persuasive. If you think that my perception is not the case, that's fine. But no matter how many times you say "BRO, NO ONE CARES IN THE REAL WORLD," I'm not going to simply accept your opinion as fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 01:19 AM
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An ad hominem and a conclusory statement do not add up to a convincing argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 12:44 AM
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I've never talked to any man who had an issue with his wife wanting to keep (or hyphenate) her last name The fact that nobody says that they have a problem with it doesn't mean that they don't actually have a problem with it. Also, maybe this is something peculiar to the ranchers-who-also-wear-suits crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 12:22 AM
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What do you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 11:58 PM
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Strictly speaking, a job is not necessarily a profession. A profession is a job that (1) requires formal, specialized training (law school, medical school); (2) is often regulated by some regulatory body; and (3) has been widely accepted as having professional status (which is usually accompanied by a good deal of prestige and perception as an "élite" job). Professions include: medicine, actuarial science, law, and accounting, among other jobs. Plumbing is not a profession. Film is not a profess…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 11:44 PM
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No. Read what I wrote. I don't think that working in film is as difficult as working in law, medicine, or finance. I don't think that film work deserves as much respect as those jobs do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 11:29 PM
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I'm not going to pretend that every job is equally difficult, subject to equal expectations, and equally deserving of respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 11:23 PM
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I mean traditional professions and those jobs that have come to be seen as professional: law, medicine, finance and accounting. These professions are all "small c" conservative, and in them, appearance is very important. I also think it's a little silly that you're trying to tell people about professional expectations when you work in film.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 11:13 PM
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There's why. In a professional, office environment, people ask and know about other people's spouses. This is true even in NYC, by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 11:08 PM
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What do you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 11:06 PM
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I'm a man. I'm just not interested in children.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 10:25 PM
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Everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 10:11 PM
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It's hard for me to take you seriously after your spirited ephebophilia defense.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 10:08 PM
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This is an issue on which I side with RP. My wife will be taking my name. Men whose wives keep their name (or hyphenate) are perceived as weak, and frankly about half of the incentive for marriage is career advancement anyway, so that would in part defeat the purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 09:33 PM
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/r/titlegore
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 08:09 PM
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It sounds like, exactly like TRP, you're generalizing from a single bad relationship. Just as TRP gets burned and yells, "AWALT!" so you were let down and concluded that "No Men Are Like That!" Don't sit on your computer and brood. Get back out there and find someone better.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 08:08 PM
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(PS: I know it's hard sometimes but try and focus you posts on one theme rather than a mishmash of tangential vague mischaracterizations of previous discussions and rants, you'll get better responses) I agree that /u/vinegarbubblegum's posts are roly-poly and strabist. The number of them, their weird, glib tone, and their lack of focus seem to indicate that something is wrong with the poster.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 08:00 PM
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You seem pretty typical of RP in that you had one bad experience with a woman who was probably out of your league, remain bitter about that experience, and project your skewed view of the woman who "wronged" you onto all of womankind.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 07:55 PM
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Any relationship between him and one of the girls in his preferred age range would be rape because those girls are not old enough to be able to consent, and sex without consent is rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 02:51 PM
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I don't find fifteen-year-olds attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 02:49 PM
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Men and women are equal, so logically, there's a woman out there for me This doesn't follow. I am "equal" to every Asian man in the world, in terms of the value of human life. This does not mean that there is an Asian man out there for me, a straight man, who is a suitable romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 06:07 AM
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You've got to be a troll. placing undue emphasis on one's mere, material, corporeal form Your entire professed sexual orientation is exclusive attraction to young bodies. Do you not see the hypocrisy here? i dont believe in manipulation, fakery, lying, etc. to get pussy But you do believe in using your years of adult sophistication (such as they are) to con young girls into sex? Do you not see how that's manipulation in a way that's significantly worse than any PUA manipulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 06:03 AM
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more than I ever dared to dream of certainly doesn't seem to be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 06:00 AM
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Why is it assumed that a relationship with me would mess up a girls life? Because you're a sexual predator, and rape is generally accepted to be a thing that messes up the life of the person raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:59 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:58 AM
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idk if that's ironic. It's certainly true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:31 AM
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Good to see that RP and BP can agree on something.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 03:22 AM
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Take advantage of her? Never. You would always be taking advantage of her necessarily. That's the kernel of the nature of a relationship between a teenager and an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 03:19 AM
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And like, it's not a relationship, it's a fetish I'm against this creep as much as anyone is, but your reasoning is bad. Sorry I'm always making sure everyone is disliking the right things for the right reasons, but law school did this to me, and being right for the right reason is important. The same thing can be both a fetish and a relationship. Assume a man who has a BDSM fetish. This man has a relationship with a woman who has a BDSM fetish. All of their sex is fetishistic. These people both…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 03:18 AM
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I guess someone could argue that, yeah. It's totally unrelated to my comment, but someone could try to make that argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 05:10 AM
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Most of those people probably won't vote, but I see what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 03:48 AM
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Does being alpha make you shitpost too?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 03:37 AM
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One might argue that the prevailing philosophy among 18th Century land speculators is no longer germane to a 21st Century America, and that therefore a new political philosophy is not only more appropriate, but necessary. Either way, your comment is histrionic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 03:21 AM
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Typical incoherent misogynist RP screed. This is why I can't side with you guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 03:20 AM
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Tests to determine whether voters are sophisticated enough to vote have a... sordid history in the US. It might be preferable to restrict suffrage to the informed, but it would be impossible to carry out fairly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 03:19 AM
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Whether or not it would have an impact at that point is something we can only speculate on. I can see it going either way. But I think you're right on the money with the observation that its legality isn't going to make it suddenly commonplace—first it needs to become socially acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 03:16 AM
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Good, relevant answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 03:12 AM
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tbh I've never had a woman complain about me showing some emotional sensitivity. I think it would be a very strange relationship in which you never showed any emotional vulnerability. How could you be truly intimate?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/15 12:08 AM
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I disagree with your reasoning, but I'll abide by your rule because I have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/15 05:38 AM
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Come on. "You're all pawns in my scheme of things" from a guy who posts all the time in /r/conspiracy. I mean, ad hominem is often inappropriate, but here...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/15 05:03 AM
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It's a straw man because it addresses an argument that wasn't made in the OP, and avoids the original question.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 11:58 PM
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"Most optimal"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 09:26 PM
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I can't tell if this is satire or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 09:24 PM
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Whether or not there is an implicit value judgment in labeling one mode of thought rational and another irrational is moot. We are not presented with the question "Is rationality better than irrationality." We are presented with the question "Are men more rational than women."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 09:23 PM
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Because to a woman, her priorities and ways of doing things seem perfectly rational This is bad reasoning. To the schizophrenic, his own priorities and ways of doing things seem perfectly rational. This does not have any bearing on whether nor not those priorities and methods are actually rational. I very much doubt that OP is asking about the subjective perception of individual men and women of their own rationality—she is asking about the objective behavior of men and women, and whether men te…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/15 09:17 PM
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I've never cares about a guys number, dated a few virgins Yeah but are you attractive? This is relevant here. If you're trying to say, "A man's number doesn't matter because I don't care about a man's number," then whether or not you can get men determines whether we should care about your preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 03:39 PM
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whynotboth.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 02:46 AM
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Look at the comment I wrote that's currently literally right above yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 02:22 AM
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This whole thread reads like LSAT practice test examples of bad reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 09:19 PM
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You're not very smart. Obviously saying "Could you pick up some milk at the store while you're out?" is not abusive, while "Bitch, get some fucking milk" is. The same information is being communicated, essentially, but the tone of communication and the words used to communicate the information make one abusive and the other not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 09:17 PM
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Yeah, they're both autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 09:15 PM
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That's not just "blue logic," it's common sense. The question was whether a certain ultimatum was abusive. It makes perfect sense that the same communicated information ("We will divorce if you don't have sex with me") could be abusive if articulated in one way and not abusive in another. The mode of communication is important. "Hey, retard, send out the opinion letter draft to the client" is not professional, while "Please send the opinion letter out to the client" is, even though they are comm…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 09:14 PM
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Prove it. I'm sorry, but as a writer (a passion, not my profession), if I ever wrote the words "I want her to be as wild and unshackled as the muses of centuries past" unironically I would cut my fucking fingers off.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 08:22 PM
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I've won national contests, bro No you haven't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 08:10 PM
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Sure. You're not a poet. Writing bad reddit comments doesn't make you a poet. If that is an example of your "poetry," then I hope you have a solid day job.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 07:41 PM
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I want her to be as wild and unshackled as the muses of centuries past.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 07:04 PM
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Yeah but there's an analytical distinction: not wearing a fedora is literally as simple as taking the fedora off of your head. Not watching MLP is as simple as not taking the extra effort to load an MLP video. If you criticize a fat person, on the other hand, you could be criticizing someone who is months into a successful weight-loss program. That's never the case with bronies or fedora wearers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 06:16 PM
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I assume you don't have a source for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 05:00 PM
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It was a joke about herpes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 04:31 AM
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TiA sometimes criticizes legitimate issues. I've seen TiA front page posts arguing that slavery wasn't that bad, or defending the actions of Columbus.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 03:34 AM
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If you have a point that you're trying to make you're doing a very good job at concealing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 03:30 AM
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I had some brief experience in criminal law: it was certainly eye-opening. I wish that more people could understand how the system works; I genuinely think that most casual racism stems from ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 03:25 AM
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Sriracha?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 03:22 AM
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A high n-count can give you a red flag ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 03:20 AM
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Other factors are more important, but, absent mitigating qualities, I would be turned off if she had an n-count higher than 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 03:19 AM
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Are you taking a poll? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/15 12:14 AM
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1/10. You can do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 11:15 PM
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Yes, I can personally attest to the fact that women use Tinder to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 10:44 PM
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That could mean you're at like 35. I'm a law student, not a mathematician.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 10:43 PM
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Lots of people use Tinder to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 10:41 PM
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I can live with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 10:39 PM
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I'm all for bullying bronies and people who wear fedoras until they stop doing that shit, because it's not good for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/15 08:28 PM
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I see. My mistake.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 11:47 PM
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If what you're saying is that those instincts/ideas won't go away in a few generations, and that we need a society that takes them into account, then it seems perfectly logical to infer that you are saying that society should be permissive of rape. I'm still not sure that's not what you're saying. marriages of girls from the age of toddlerhood As a side note, the idea that marriages to children were common in the Middle Ages is a misconception. While arranged marriages to children occurred for p…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 11:18 PM
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I'm sorry for your troubles, but I think you should seriously consider seeing a therapist. Your bitterness is unhealthy, and, taken together with your idea of a rape-based, "natural" society, worrying.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 08:18 PM
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You're reading in a self-awareness that isn't there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/15 08:06 PM
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They [...] exert [sic] their perceived " supremacy" [sic] based on shared genitalia. This is what you wrote. This is what I was responding to. If this is not what you meant, then, humans being incapable of reading the minds of other humans, and instead being reliant on communication of ideas, you should have used different words. Also, if you can't find a few hundred examples of feminists claiming to be superior to men, then maybe you're too stupid to be having this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 11:45 PM
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The serious discussion of yaoi and sex robots in this sub makes me doubt whether any of you are fit to be giving your opinions on healthy adult relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 10:20 PM
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I'm not sure what your question has to do with TRP. It seems like such a person would, if they're honest with themselves, come to the conclusion that their spouse was with them out of necessity regardless of whether they encountered TRP. Indeed if anyone, disadvantaged or not, is honest with themselves, they'll realize that the person with whom they wind up is a reflection of their own value, since no rational actor would choose a mate of lesser value over one of greater.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 10:01 PM
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You're right to note that many people on TRP attempt to denigrate the opposite sex and claim supremacy based on their own gender, but you're blind if you don't see that many feminists do exactly the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 09:51 PM
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Yes, it's insane for TRP to take credit for the work of great men. I agree wholeheartedly that the changes to the laws regarding domestic violence were good changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 02:54 AM
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(1) I'm not RP; and (2) Yeah, of course. Why do you need to ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 02:19 AM
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I changed that to "nearly all men."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 01:13 AM
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Moreover, I don't think that many of you BP women care whether true gender equality is achieved. I know that many of you like to mock TRPers as socially inept neckbeards, and frankly, I don't think that this image is too far off. I do think, however, that this is because any claim for men's rights has been effectively marginalized, and therefore people who openly associate with that group are probably people without a great deal of social awareness (as is the case with anyone who willingly assoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/15 01:07 AM
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I like to wear nice clothes; I like having my nice apartment with nice furniture. I also like looking fit, which requires weight lifting. I don't think I'm alone in this. If you really don't want any of those things, then don't do them. Of course, if you don't strive for those, then I don't exactly see how you're improving yourself. Video game high scores don't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/15 12:15 AM
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"self improvement" nonsense which he felt was bending over to feminism So you guys see self improvement as feminist? That certainly explains some things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 07:55 PM
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Don't joke about that. Cloaks of invisibility are going to change the SMP forever. CAN'T WAIT FOR THE PUSSY CARTEL TO COME IN AND WRECK THAT IDEA. DAE THAT NASA GUY?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 06:01 PM
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You should improve yourself for you. Getting laid is a nice bonus. Isn't this standard TRP shit? Do you even sidebar, bro?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:52 PM
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Yeah nobody will come over and see the human-sized sex robot in their closet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:46 PM
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No man. He's saying he wouldn't fuck a sex robot, because he's not a social cripple.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:32 PM
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Oh, le pauvre.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:28 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:28 PM
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I think you're going to lose an argument where you try to analytically distinguish vibrators and fleshlights. The right argument is: "Yes there is a double standard, but does it really matter?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:21 PM
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http://i.imgur.com/dK8bnhJ.gif
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:19 PM
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Nothing per se, they're just not socially aware, and therefore their input on non-autistic dating/relationships is probably not going to be very helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:14 PM
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Are you saying that all TRPers are the kind of people who frequent sex-doll conventions? Because that's what I was describing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:12 PM
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See? This is exactly the kind of male shaming TRP is talking about. Man mentions a hobby and is told to "get out more". When was the last time you told a girl to get out more for mentioning some fringe hobby? He was just talking about a girl reading yaoi comics. I literally just "shamed" a fringe female hobby in the comment that you replied to. You guys are so ready to expect your own victimization that you read it in where it doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 05:11 PM
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Yes because the world of social interaction exists, and sex robots would be social suicide. Also, relationships entail emotional connection which would be impossible with a robot. I resent you for making me take your absurd sex robot arguments seriously (which I have to do to rebut them) btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:52 PM
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Do you have any idea how autistic you sound?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:36 PM
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Where would a man with a studio Manhattan apartment keep this invisible sex robot?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:33 PM
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Who else do you shame for how they receive sexual pleasure Bronies, pedophiles, porn addicts, people who get off on wearing diapers. You know, people of the same social tier as sex doll owners. If you're looking to play up your perceived victimhood to the point where I won't mock you, you're using the wrong tack. That's tumblr shit, man. Aren't you RP? Improve yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:32 PM
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I mean most people wouldn't. Don't get a big head about it ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:29 PM
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I don't think that sex robots would alter the dating scene any more than the existence of sex dolls does now.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:28 PM
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A sexbot wouldn't just be sexual suicide: it would be social suicide as well. An unattractive man can still have a thriving social life. He can be financially successful. But nobody is going to want to go for drinks after work with the guy who has a greasy fuckdoll in his closet. He'll be a pariah, and, imo, should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:27 PM
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No, I don't know anything about these people, because I'm not an omega-male, unsocialized autistic serial killer.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:24 PM
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Nobody would suggest that it's acceptable to shame a woman for having a vibrating double-penetrating glass/silicone penis in her nightstand I don't think this is the case. I think a small dildo would be acceptable. And is there a double standard re: fleshlights? Sure. But I'm just not passionate enough about fleshlights to give a shit. Nobody would ever say that reading yaoi comics is something to be ashamed of. I think you need to get out more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:23 PM
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If you have to ask, you're probably too far gone.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:19 PM
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Wow, you're pretty catty. Yeah I guess I was just focused on the 160k I'll be making next year. Sorry to hear you washed out of biglaw!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:07 PM
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Why should owning a sex bot or even a flash light [sic] I'm all for flashlight ownership. As for sex bots: it's fucking weird, man. If you really want to get laid, go out and get laid. If you can't get laid, improve yourself to the point where you can get laid. If you try to improve yourself and still absolutely can't get laid, which must be very rare, get a prostitute (which is still pretty gross imo). Maybe there's some part of me that thinks that if you can't get even one unattractive woman t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 04:03 PM
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I just assumed that's where this internet-famous picture was taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:57 PM
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You need to get some friends, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:49 PM
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1: I probably know more about lawyer's salaries than you do. 2: That number includes entry level and public interest salaries. Even a public defender's salary 16 years in is probably pretty close to $100k. Anyone in the private sector, unless they're at a very small firm, will be making much more than $100k even a few years into their career; most will be making significantly more in their first year.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:46 PM
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Male law student.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:37 PM
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What 42-year-old lawyer makes less than $100k? Or doctor?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/15 03:34 PM
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http://psychcentral.com/quizzes/autism.htm
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 06:10 PM
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We're not analyzing my dating history.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 05:44 PM
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Nothing but very good dates recently. Thanks for your concern. And it must just be a coincidence that the last two replies I posted to your comments were immediately downvoted once.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 05:36 PM
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A number of responses, like yours, by RP men explaining the phenomenon in RP terms have been deleted by the mods (as I suspect yours will shortly be). This is because I was asking BP women to reconcile (1) their belief that men and women are equal with (2) their expectation that men should pay for dates. I was not asking RP men to give me an RP explanation of why men pay for dates. So again: thanks, I guess, but read the question thoroughly before starting to write your exam answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 05:22 PM
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OK, great. Can you stop downvoting my comments now?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 05:16 PM
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Literally none of what you just wrote does anything to square the idea that men and women are equal with the idea that men should pay for dates. Thanks for the unrelated stories about people paying for things, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 05:04 PM
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When I was single, never went on dates with girls because I am not a dumb fuck and stuff still happened Huh. So only stupid people date?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 04:57 PM
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Thanks. I'm familiar with this explanation. This isn't what I was asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 04:50 PM
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I'll say this again because apparently you're having trouble reading. My OP asked this: if you are a woman who both believes that men and women are equal and believes that men should pay on the first date, how do you reconcile those beliefs? Let me know if you need me to post this a fourth time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 04:44 PM
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Yes, you're right. That single anecdote (which doesn't even involve a date lol) proves that women want to pay for their meals, and that men have caused this problem for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 04:42 PM
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No justification, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 04:40 PM
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Whoever does the asking should expect to pay This amounts to saying that the man should pay. See my edits to the OP. Do you have another justification other than this circular one?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 04:40 PM
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the women tends to do the lion share of the housework and child rearing, which is unfair. I think you meant "woman" and "lion's share," but I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 04:39 PM
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So it sounds like what you're saying is this: "The expectation is sexist. It is incompatible with the idea that the sexes are equal. Therefore, Mr. /u/anacrassis, you were correct in your assumption: there really is no good way the reconcile to two positions. I'm going to affirm this point, and not resort to petty ad hominem when you brush away my irrelevant arguments."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 07:23 AM
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I was exaggerating your point. Sorry, I must have seriously misrepresented the reasonableness of the original: "Stop asking people out ... and run away."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 07:20 AM
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That would be the case even if women would take a higher-paying job if they could, just as it's very likely the case that men would not pay for the share of dates that they currently pay for if they had the option. You're still OK with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 07:08 AM
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That's a great system. It sounds to me that you would join me in saying that there is no good rationale for the expectation for men to pay more than half of the total dating expenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 07:04 AM
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By this rationale, the gender pay gap is perfectly OK. Why? Because if women are willing to take a job that pays less, that is, "get together [with their employers] and agree to certain conditions," then "there is hitting [sic] wrong with it."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 07:02 AM
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Don't ask. Literally nobody is making you Great advice. Nevermind that you're ignoring the question, which asked for a justification. You're saying that if men are unhappy with one aspect of dating, they should stop dating entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 06:50 AM
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That's an explanation, not a justification. Also, men are only "willing" to do it because it is expected of them. Why would anyone expend resources if they didn't have to?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 06:49 AM
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I'm coming to know you as a poster who gives good and practical advice, like "If you don't want to pay for dates, stop dating entirely and see if civilization collapses."
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 06:43 AM
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it would be rude to basically just demand someone go somewhere with you without that You're right. This would be extremely rude. Because, however, I and most of the men in this thread live in civilization, and not in a Mad Max post-apocalypse, we tend to ask women to come with us on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 06:41 AM
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It's a big deal because of the context in which you made that post. Because you made that post in this thread, it looks like you were saying that, because in some circumstances on would pay for one's friend's meal, a man should be expected to pay for a woman's meal. Context, as has been stressed, is important. If I'm with a friend in a bar and ask if he wants to get a drink, he's going to assume that I want to drink beer, whether or not I'm secretly thinking about getting a smoothie from a place…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 06:39 AM
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I'm saying I know about that rationale, and I'm not interested in it. My OP asked this: if you are a woman who both believes that men and women are equal and believes that men should pay on the first date, how do you reconcile those beliefs?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 06:32 AM
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Men are the ones who made that expectation How's that? Can I expect an answer rooted in evopsych, for which BP constantly trashes RP?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 06:30 AM
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Don't want to pay for her half of the dinner? Don't. You're avoiding the question. The question was: if men and women are equal, why are men expected to pay for dates. Of course I don't need to pay for dinner. I could go assuming that she would pay. This is not the issue here. If you end up on a date with someone like this, though, there really is no legal way they can force you to pay for their dinner Here again is your strange strawman. I'm not posting from a restaurant bathroom, terrified at …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 06:27 AM
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Thanks for your opinion. Unless you're saying you're a BP woman, though, and holding out your opinion as a feminist justification of the expectation that men pay, then I'm not interested in what you think about this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 03:16 AM
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That's an explanation, not a justification. Are you saying it's as unjustifiable as expecting women to do housework? Also, this is a separate issue, but is it not PC to expect a woman who stays at home, and doesn't work, to do the majority of the childcare and housework?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 03:09 AM
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Irish potatoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 02:08 AM
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I'm not from TRP. I don't care what you think about their philosophy. But I won't accept "Friends did it" as support for any contention.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 01:42 AM
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No. In response to the point you made, the edit points out that almost exclusively men are the ones to initiate dates, and therefore saying "the inviter should pay" is the same as saying "men should pay." This is not a justification, but is circular logic ("the inviter should pay" = "men should pay," and therefore "men should pay because then inviter should pay" = "men should pay because men should pay").
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 01:40 AM
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You guys get mad at TRP for using anecdotes, and you support your point with an anecdote from Friends? Jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 01:27 AM
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The person who does the asking out should assume they're footing the bill Please see the edits on my OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 12:55 AM
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Why should I respond to the part of your comment that I don't take issue with?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 12:53 AM
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Well, in the real world, and not the world of your roly-poly, strabist comments, it is generally not expected that a person pay for brunch when asking a friend to join them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 12:30 AM
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Jesus, even the Australians are more civilized than we are. edit: sarcasm, obv.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 12:15 AM
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So asking your friend to go to brunch establishes the expectation that you will pay for that brunch?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/15 12:14 AM
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Please go back and see that permalink a few comments back. If you still can't understand, after reviewing it, why I'm assigning male and female roles to inviter and invitee, then I'm done trying to discuss this with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 11:48 PM
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If you think that most men would choose to pay for a meal in the absence of immense social pressure for them to do so, then I've got a bridge to sell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 11:42 PM
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You've yet to tell me what is wrong with my suggestion that the inviter plans to pay and the invitee offers to split If I haven't explicitly mentioned the problem, that's because the problem is so obvious that I didn't think it needed to be mentioned: it assumes that the man should plan to pay. If you had said that people should simply split the bill on a date, I would be fine with that. But your plan still rests on the sexist assumption, from the old model of gender relations, that women can't,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 11:39 PM
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Nearly every week, I invite my friends over for a dinner party. I pay for the dinner- every time not just the first time they attend. I'm not concerned with the expectation that the host of a dinner party pay for and prepare the food. This is a false equivalence. A true equivalence would be paying for your friends' meals every time you suggested that you go out to a restaurant to eat, or to a bar to get drinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 11:31 PM
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If your response was merely intended to answer dakru's question, without regard for the context of the thread in which the question was asked, then your answer cannot be an attempt to justify the expectation that men are to pay for dates. I don't entirely believe that that was your intent, but if you claim that it was, fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 11:27 PM
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So your argument is that most men wind up paying for first dates because they have underdeveloped social skills? That's the weirdest justification I've seen yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 11:18 PM
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See this reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 11:17 PM
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/u/dakru asked the question in response to the claim that it is rude to invite someone on a date and subsequently not pay for that date. You responded by listing a couple of weird, outlier situations where it would be expected for a person to pay for his friend. Your answer only works as a justification where one party has indicated, before the date, that they will pay. That's clearly not the issue in this thread. The issue is whether there is a justification for the expectation, general among w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 11:14 PM
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the person who does the inviting should pay on the first date So you think that men should pay for the first date. How do you justify this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 11:08 PM
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So you're saying that there isn't a justification, and that most women are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 11:06 PM
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you respond by telling them not to worry, you just want them to come and enjoy themselves without worrying about money Plainly I'm not talking about situations where you assure your date that she doesn't need money before the date. Complaining about being expected to pay in that scenario would be insane. Of course there are some situations in which it is reasonable and foreseeable for a man to pay for a woman on a date. You're avoiding the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 10:57 PM
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If you ask a friend to join you for brunch at a restaurant, do your friends expect you to cover their bill? If you ask a friend to get a drink with you after work, do you pay for all of their drinks? Please see also this reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 10:52 PM
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Go back to Tumblr, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 10:50 PM
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If I said to a friend, "Do you want to get dinner with me on Saturday?" and then that friend expected me to pay for that dinner, and even got offended when I didn't turn down his offer to pay, I would stop being friends with that person.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 10:49 PM
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I'm not a TRP guy. Also nearly 40% of women expect men to turn down their offers to pay. That puts me at risk, in two dates out of five, of souring the date, independent of other factors, if I follow your advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 10:46 PM
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I'm not sure how that's not on-topic, or at least any more off-topic than your initial reply.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 10:43 PM
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So because payment trends might be sexist, I am obligated to buy meals for women? Did I establish payment trends? Am I personally responsible for every negative aspect of our society?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 10:41 PM
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I'm really asking about dating, not marriage. I didn't mention marriage, or post any data about date-paying tendencies among married people the study didn't distinguish between married and unmarried, but the article from which I got the study was about dating. Mea culpa. But it sounds like you would say that women should pay for half of a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 10:36 PM
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Sorry. This may explain why someone would want to pay for you, but it doesn't explain why men, generally, have to pay for women, generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 10:18 PM
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"Feminism" is a spectrum of ideologies, and many women may simply not want to associate themselves with the extreme end of that spectrum. More instructive, I think, is that 85% of Americans believe in equality for women, and 78% in "social, political, legal, and economic equality of the sexes." Therefore, my question still stands. Why, if women are equal, am I expected to buy their food?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 10:13 PM
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Well, good for you, but that puts you in the minority. I'm interested to hear whether there is a justification other than "the inviting party should pay," as that's just another way of saying that men should pay. As for your suggestions: when I'm on a date, frankly, I'm probably trying to get laid. Telling someone to eat a salad or overtly challenging their philosophy on gender relations is not really compatible with that goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 10:07 PM
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The huge majority of women—93%—prefer to be asked out. Most women do not ask men out, and most men ask women out. Therefore, saying that "the person who initiates the date should pay" and treating it like a fair solution to the issue plainly ignores the fact that men are expected to initiate the date, and amounts to simply saying that men should pay for the first date. This just brings us back to square one. e: /u/dakru also has a good response to this argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/15 10:02 PM
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That implies that you have an argument. You made a bare statement: I'm gonna be gross. Since your character was already in play, I merely commented on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 10:48 PM
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I'm not on TRP. I'm not agreeing with RP by pointing out that your argument is weird and bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 10:16 PM
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What's it like being a perpetual adolescent? I imagine it's fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 10:14 PM
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Only to literal-minded people Haha. "Only to people who, like, think and shit."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 10:09 PM
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Don't put your personal misinterpretation on the concept itself and/or the examples of said concept in action. How am I "putting" my "misinterpretation" on the concept or evocations of the concept?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 09:46 PM
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I guess this is my problem: On TRP, which I read quite often (for the same reason I read Jezebel), AWALT is not used as a mere term for a concept that means something other than AWALT: it is used to indicate that, in fact, AWALT. When, however, the term is challenged on PPD, it quickly becomes something else: a mere caution that, in some circumstances, it is possible that women will act a certain way. This, of course, is completely different from, and actually contradictory to, the plain meaning…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 09:32 PM
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I know the term "straw man" is thrown around on the internet a lot, often incorrectly, but what you've just made is a bona fide straw man argument. What I said: "AWALT is susceptible of a generalization fallacy." Your straw man: "You're saying that any generalization is fallacy!" To explain my actual argument: a generalization fallacy occurs where in a sample, the presence of quality X in group A is used as the basis for the claim that in the general population, all of group A must have quality …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 09:23 PM
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No, I haven't. My original point was that AWALT either must really mean NAWALT, or it must be susceptible of a generalization fallacy. You and others have pretty much all agreed with me on that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 09:05 PM
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That might be a function of the value we place on sex and that we place on property. Rape (forced sex) is worse than robbery (forced taking of property); just so, manipulated sex is worse than manipulated taking of property. Frankly, I have no problem with this standard. Feel free to manipulate women into buying you things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 09:04 PM
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If Person A and Person B are equally intelligent, but Person A has spent hours studying how to manipulate Person B, we would still say that it is immoral for Person A to manipulate Person B to do something that Person B would not otherwise do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 09:00 PM
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Do all RP tenets wilt like this under scrutiny?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:55 PM
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layman Wow, TRP is a profession now?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:53 PM
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So, again, what you're saying is that AWALT does not mean that all women are "like that." This seems like a pretty central RP tenet that you're giving up here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:39 PM
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Oh, I get it. You're edgy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:31 PM
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did red pillers not grow up in households that expected them to figure out fundamental things like that for themself [sic]? You clearly did, but w/e.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:28 PM
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Just to be clear, AWALT so far has been downgraded to "In the right circumstances, if they can't control their urges, all women have the potential to be like that."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:25 PM
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I know this is futile, but do you happen to have a source for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:23 PM
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When challenged, AWALT quickly deflates into "all women might do bad things, given the right circumstances."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:22 PM
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Either way, your inference that people on TRP grew up in households where parents lied about hot pans from one person's analogy about hot pans is bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:18 PM
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Admittedly didn't read that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:07 PM
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"All women have the potential to have quality X" ≠ "All women have quality X."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:05 PM
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You asked for an experiment that would test the hypothesis of hypergamy. That's what I tried to come up with. I'm not defending RP tenets. Presumably you'd have to have many such studies, newer ones trying to falsify the old.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:03 PM
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Saying "but science is biased against me" is like saying "but reality is biased against me". Read Thomas Kuhn.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 08:00 PM
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I'm not sure what comment you think you're responding to, but you seem to be agreeing with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 07:58 PM
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Either AWALT or NAWALT. Tertium non datur. You can maintain that AWALT, in which case it does seem to be a fallacy of faulty generalization. Alternatively, you can hold, as you have done here, that AWALT really means that "one should act as if AWALT," and that, like pans are sometimes hot, women are only sometimes LT. This, of course, necessarily means that NAWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 07:48 PM
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I guess you could look at women who divorced and remarried soon after, where the divorce was instigated by the woman, and compare the attractiveness/income of husband 1 and husband 2 at the time of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 07:40 PM
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That seems kind of like hedging, doesn't it? As far as I know, "all" isn't usually used to mean "slightly less than three fourths". I think that the TRP response to this would be that all women would not marry a man unless he was AF/BB if she had the option, but that some women settle out of desperation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 07:38 PM
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This is the kind of bizarre psychological speculation that TRP is being criticized for in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 07:29 PM
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You realize that what you're saying here is that NAWALT, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 07:27 PM
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If your pan analogy were accurate, then, just as the parent knows that not all pans are hot, the people on TRP who preach AWALT would have to recognize that, in fact, NAWALT. This is not the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/15 07:18 PM
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You're not half as smart as you think you are. "A" on formatting though.
/r/TheRedPill23/07/15 01:57 PM
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It's pretty simple bro: if your only evidence for a claim is "I have seen this once," then you should not make that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 10:38 PM
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You're the one making a claim that things are a certain way. If your strongest evidence is that you can't think of any evidence for a different explanation, that's not a good sign.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 11:56 AM
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Do I have evidence to substantiate your point? No, I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/15 02:11 AM
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Me personally? I don't try to use them—I think that most ideas can be stated simply, and that being excessively formal in informal settings makes it sound like you wear a fedora.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 04:45 PM
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Saying "ergo" doesn't make your stupid response smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 04:34 PM
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Ugh, the idea of royalty is repulsive to me. I can't believe you people never outgrew that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 03:59 PM
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The lie, as all essential elements of a criminal offense, would need to be proved to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 03:57 PM
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...the purpose of the first is complaining; in the second, complaining is merely possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 03:47 PM
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Good post.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 03:42 PM
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Tell him how you feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 03:31 PM
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I've seen it myself. You guys really don't do much to dispel your reputation for basing your worldview on anecdotal evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 03:24 PM
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He made the claim, he bears the burden of proof. That's how this works. Someone should put that shit on the sidebar.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/15 03:23 PM
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other people on TRP I'm not on TRP. In fact, I am banned from TRP for pointing out the irony in both claiming to be manly and letting reddit nerds dictate your worldview. No. I'm not going to censor myself to spare your feelings. Wow, ur 2edgy4me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/15 05:58 AM
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OK. It looks like the distinction that you're drawing between permissible and impermissible preferences is this: It is permissible to either 1) have a preference for a quality that you do not have if that quality is a physical characteristic (height or hair color are "just a preference for a particular physical feature"); or 2) have a preference for a quality that is not a physical characteristic only if you share that quality (unlike height or hair color, partner count is "a feature of someone'…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 09:32 PM
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Just like women who want tall guys are just little girls who "want a bigger toy than everyone else!!!" I don't really feel that way, I'm just making fun of your weird, vaguely sexist ad hominem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 06:08 AM
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I simply don't accept your statement about "doomed" men not even being represented in fiction. I'm too tired to think of many examples atm, but immediately Ed from Shaun of the Dead comes to mind; as does The Ballad of Narayama. Rorschach from Watchmen is also supposed to be remarkably ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 06:01 AM
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To the point you make in your first paragraph: not being a literature major, would you construct your entire worldview around one school of literary analysis? Because TRP essentially does that with evolutionary psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/15 05:44 AM
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If people claim that women like promiscuous men, and women in fact like chaste men, then the people making the claim aren't being hypocritical, they're just making a false statement. I'm having a hard time seeing how your point is relevant at all. I get the feeling that you really just want to talk about how people pair up by degree of promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 11:33 PM
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A promiscuous women is not per se bad. For me at least, whether a woman is promiscuous is just one factor among many to be considered. I prefer a woman who is not promiscuous, but if she has other positive qualities that outweigh that, then I would still be interested in her as a short or long term partner. (I use "positive" and "negative" subjectively.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 10:02 PM
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1: Every term is "made up" in the sense that "slut" is "made up." 2: "Slut" does mean something. It denotes high promiscuity. 3: Whether or not a promiscuous woman is "good" or "bad" is not relevant to the discussion. It's simply not what we're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 09:56 PM
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1: Whether or not marriage is statistically probable between two populations is not necessarily probative of strength of attraction. If women tend to marry rich men, does that mean that rich men are physically more attractive than otherwise identical middle income men? 2: As other have pointed out to you, whether or not a given pairing is statistically probable is irrelevant to whether that pairing is hypocritical or not. If I say that it is not hypocritical for a man to want a woman who is not …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 09:54 PM
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Everyone makes mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 09:44 PM
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You first tried to distinguish promiscuity from height on the ground that tallness and shortness are opposites, and promiscuity and non-promiscuity are not. Failing in that, you made the bizarre distinction that sluttiness can't be detected during sex, while height can. I assume that you were trying to say that a quality is not important if it is not obvious during sex. If this is not what you were trying to say, then I have no idea what your point was. I was pointing out that there are other qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 09:36 PM
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OK. That's subjective, and I could say the same thing about promiscuous men and non-promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 09:26 PM
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lol wat
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 09:23 PM
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I cannot tell a woman is a "slut" while I am having sex with her. 1: You totally can. 2: Even if you couldn't, you also can't tell if a person is a barista or a hedge fund account manager when you're having sex with them. That doesn't mean that those qualities aren't very different, or that they would be irrelevant to whether a person would be more or less desirable as a mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 09:03 PM
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Whether or not "slut" is a "made up term" (unlike all other English words?), the quality of "high number of partners" is obviously on the other end of the sexual experience spectrum from the quality "low number of partners." In the same way, "short" is very different from "tall," and "dominant" is very different from "submissive." A person with a lot of sexual experience wanting a person with much less sexual experience is no more "hypocritical" than a short person wanting a tall person, or a do…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 08:57 PM
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How the hell do you not see that you're contradicting yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 08:53 PM
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That's your prerogative. You can prefer whatever you want. I prefer women who haven't had a large number of sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 08:52 PM
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lol. It's about as hypocritical as a short woman wanting a tall man.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/15 08:45 PM
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1: How the fuck would her being anorexic validate the fat people being rude? 2: Why are you defending these mean fat women so hard?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 06:08 AM
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I think you're both missing the point. Sure, shaming can change people. It's not the only way to change people, though, and it's certainly not the best, considering its cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 05:39 AM
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That's so weird. I never knew of this phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 05:17 AM
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Her post implies that this is what they say now.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 05:16 AM
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That's fucking crazy. You should move!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/15 05:16 AM
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I misunderstood your question. I've had 20+ partners. I think that's relatively high.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 11:19 PM
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I find the fact that a woman has had sex with ten or more people to be unattractive. Even eight or nine is a bit high. That's one factor among many, though, and I've slept with women who have had many more partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 11:13 PM
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I don't disagree with you, but I've literally never seen a woman bullied for not being fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 11:11 PM
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1: Pretty sure "fat acceptance" is not limited to feminists, or fat women. 2: I agree that people should not be encouraged to be fat. I think that if this movement gained any traction beyond the insular echo chambers of tumblr blogs it could be dangerous. I don't think it's going to gain widespread acceptance, though, because the disincentives for being fat are so strong. 3: I don't mean to say that anyone should ever be bullied for being fat. Actual fat shaming, as in the ridiculing of fat peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 11:09 PM
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I think this post is a good example of what RP does right. I'm still pretty put off by the rampant sexism tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 10:58 PM
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I have a relatively high partner count (I'm a humblebragging fuccboi) and I prefer a woman with a lower partner count.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 10:45 PM
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This is a thoughtful answer, but I don't think that most people take these statistics into consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 10:44 PM
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imo, while many criticisms of TRP are valid, TRP also does advocate some unequivocally good things. TBP absurdly categorically rejects TRP, and the team mentality here is so strong that they refuse to acknowledge anything that TRP gets right.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 09:37 PM
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What if that's the reason? Why would that matter? I personally prefer women who have had sex with fewer (preferably half or fewer) partners than I have. I believe that different characteristics are appropriate to men and women—muscularity and some degree of promiscuity are appropriate to men, for example, while both of those would be unattractive qualities for a woman to have. Of course, this is personal (though I think many men agree with me), and anyone is free to find muscular or promiscuous …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/15 09:33 PM
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What is avg male n-count?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 07:50 AM
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I have just the sub for you: www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 07:32 AM
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However, you just said that you're only talking about the specific context of "civilized society" which you do not define further. As I said, I'm not writing a judicial opinion. I don't intend each of my posts to be necessary for the understanding of every other post. If I expected that people would go through every single post of mine, I would be more careful with the language that I use. That particular post was made in response to a claim that men make overt demands of femininity because some…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 04:32 AM
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Yes, I could do the work of expanding femininity to include things like nurturing and tenderness, but that's not how you framed your view. OK. That's why I reframed it. We're not in court here. I don't think there's any hard rule against clarifying an issue in the comments. You're right in your analysis of that interpretation of the initial framing of the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 03:51 AM
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I'm not trying to present a unified theory with all of my posts. This isn't a judicial opinion. I came in saying that I thought that there was a double standard such that women can demand that men be masculine, but men cannot demand that women be feminine. I gave specific examples of "masculine" and "feminine" traits, which I should not have done, because people took those to be the only masculine traits with which I was concerned (through expressio unius est exclusio alterius reasoning). The be…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 03:38 AM
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I'm not a TRPer. If you had basic reading comprehension skills, you'd have seen and remembered that the very first thing that I said in my post was that my previous post was a criticism of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 02:58 AM
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Want to give me a hand? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 02:24 AM
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Men have often been trained since they were children not to show emotion. This is not something that can be easily overcome. Many men have internalized the message that they must be manly to the extent that they might think that death is preferable to opening up, particularly as their thinking is distorted by depression. This must explain, to some degree, the difference in suicide rates. If you can't sympathize with a person who is going through suicidal depression and emotional isolation so ext…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 01:47 AM
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Do you think that only men have access to guns, knives and ropes? Women could be just as effective at suicide as men are. Women probably make cries for help more often than men do. Your attitude toward depression is abhorrent. Male or female, a person who is suicidally depressed is often not in a position to know what is best for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 01:34 AM
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I'm talking about civilized society, not tribes of bros in clubs. I looked at your post history. I'm sorry about your experience with men. Not every man is like that. I think that this strongly informs your attitude toward men, and that you should try to keep that in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 01:26 AM
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Are you saying "meh" to the male suicide rate? That's pretty fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 01:24 AM
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I think that the issue is that I only listed a few masculine and feminine qualities, and that people have interpreted, reasonably, that those were the only qualities that I was concerned with. But what I mean is that women can demand masculinity, while men cannot demand femininity. Masculinity is broader than self-confidence and aggression; femininity is broader than selectivity and timidity. There are positive aspects to both masculinity and femininity. Whether one is more positive than the oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 01:17 AM
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People seeking partners get to demand whatever they like Not overtly, no. then they look like whiney adolescents having a tantrum Good thing you saved your argument with that ad hominem though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 01:12 AM
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Masculinity is useful in some respects, but in other respects incredibly damaging. Also, it's possible that femininity can be used to get ahead as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 01:10 AM
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That's a good point. I don't think that you can seriously argue that expectations of masculinity are not damaging to men, though. See, e.g., the astronomically higher male suicide rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 01:09 AM
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1: I am not a TRPer. I do not really know their terminology. 2: Moreover, I was addressing social "law" rather than social "economics." It is permissible to demand masculinity; it is not permissible to demand femininity. 3: Cool ad hominem, bro. You can always tell the best arguments by the fact that they make ad hominem attacks. Only people with strong arguments make those.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 01:03 AM
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If you're just going to deny that masculine character traits exist, then we're not going to get anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:48 AM
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I think my butthole is pretty average, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:35 AM
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"THIS IS NOT A MISANDRIST POST. So anyway, why do men want to rape everyone?"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:29 AM
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Really? You think that most women either 1) don't desire a quasi-bro-ish male confidence, or 2) exhibit that type of confidence themselves? Do you really not think that manliness is a turn on to most women?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:27 AM
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Good for you. I'm not talking about you, though. I'm talking about how the expectation of manliness is OK, and the expectation of femininity is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:21 AM
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I'm not talking about normal self-confidence. I'm talking about a specifically masculine confidence—the kind of aggressive confidence that commands the attention of the group. It would be weird to most if a woman were confident in this way. I think the idea that a woman should be chaste or timid is archaic. That's kinda my point. Expecting femininity is taboo, but expecting masculinity is normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:18 AM
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I'm obviously not talking about a basic confidence that is required to function in the world. I'm talking about alpha-male confidence, capable of drawing the attention and respect of the room. This characteristic is definitionally uncommon, because not everyone in the room can be the center of attention in that room. As to success, you can't deny that it is much more common for women to expect that their mate out-earn them than it is for men to expect the same thing. This might be largely becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:11 AM
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I edited the post because I was wrong about the definition of chastity. Still, even if all of your points are right, it doesn't seem like you've answered the question. Why is the expectation of masculinity OK, and of femininity not?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/15 12:06 AM
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It's a famous copypasta.
/r/seduction26/04/15 08:56 PM
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Prolonged virginity seems to be pretty common over in TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 02:03 AM
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But you do have faith in the anecdotal evidence of pick up artists and internet misogynists?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 01:00 AM
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Going in circles like this is making me nauseated. I said, basically: "Women are not promiscuous. Here is the most recent data." I cited a source. He responded: "That study is old. Women today are more promiscuous than that." He did not cite a source supporting his claim that women today are more promiscuous. He did not cite a more recent study. The burden of proof clearly lies with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 12:50 AM
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Maybe you didn't feel like scrolling back up to check. That's hardly the CC-riding generation of girls we're dealing with. This is what he wrote. It would be absurd to argue that this is not a claim that women now are more promiscuous than women as of the date of the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 12:44 AM
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You claim that promiscuity has been "intensifying." Do you have any source for this claim? As the claimant, you bear the burden of proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 12:36 AM
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The data is old. It is the most recent data I could find. A claim that data that is ten years old no longer reflects the average number of sexual partners is just that—a claim—and the claimant therefore bears the burden of proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 12:34 AM
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I put forward the most recent study that I could find about average number of sexual partners. He claimed that the average number of sexual partners today is different. I put forward evidence, he attempted to rebut that evidence with a mere claim. The burden rests with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/15 12:25 AM
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I don't really know or care. This is a weird and irrelevant question.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 11:59 PM
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I don't know why this is so hard for you to understand. This is what he said: That's hardly the CC-riding generation of girls we're dealing with. This is a claim: he is saying that the women who were the subject of the study in my original post are different from women today. I asked him whether or not he has a source for his claim that women today are more promiscuous than the women in the study I linked. Whether or not he used the term in my post is irrelevant. Maybe your trouble with reading …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 11:57 PM
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lol wat
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 11:52 PM
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No source then? I thought that might be the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 11:45 PM
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I don't suppose you have anything other than your misogynist convictions to back that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 11:41 PM
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I was clearly referring to his claim that the current generation of women is a "CC-riding generation."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 11:40 PM
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We've seen a drastic acceleration of the "anyone should be able to do whatever the fuck they want without any consequences" attitude throughout western civilization. This is a claim that you're making. Do you have any proof of it? Anecdotal evidence doesn't count.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 11:37 PM
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It presents a common set of standards by which we can measure our own personal standards for burden of proof. 1: this is word salad. 2: a legal burden of proof only has meaning in the context of litigation, because it is imposed on the litigants by State or Federal rules of evidence. It is totally unrelated to the concept of philosophical burden of proof. 3: reasonable suspicion is not a burden of proof. It is a (weak) prophylactic standard imposed by the courts on law enforcement to protect Fou…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 11:35 PM
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Again, do you have a source for that? A conclusory statement is not a source.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 11:24 PM
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Great, I assume you have a source for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 10:56 PM
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female connections likely facilitate integration of the analytic and sequential processing modes of the left hemisphere with the spatial, intuitive information processing modes of the right side. First, your claim is misleading. Second, claiming that women are "better at thinking/logic" than men is just as bad as most of the shit that TRP claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 10:50 PM
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Legal burden of proof is completely irrelevant. reasonable suspicion or reason First, reasonable suspicion is a criminal procedure concept. Second, are you saying that you need a "reasonable reason" to act? Do you realize how redundant and stupid that sounds?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 10:49 PM
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Why does the burden of proof lie with the one making the claim? I don't disagree, just curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 10:47 PM
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My claim is that calling TRP false is like claiming that the world doesn't exist. It's unbelievable how brainwashed you people are.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/15 10:44 PM
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The word misogyny has lost all its potency now through blatant overuse at the most frivolous remark. No, you think it's overused, because people call you and other TRPers misogynists all the time. This is, btw, because you are misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/15 08:24 PM
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How can it be the case that women both automatically jump to higher value mates and have completely lost their ability to appreciate a man's value? Your argument is at odds with itself. This is probably because it moves backwards, assuming the truth of its own conclusion and mangling reality to fit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/15 07:32 PM
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Clearly a female centric perspective bathed in ignorance if I've ever heard one I'm a man. I've never had any problem getting laid when I wanted to, and I'd only put myself, with a generous estimation, at the 65th percentile of male attractiveness. Nor have my friends, ugly chodes though some of them be, had trouble getting some. It's all a matter of being personable, being driven, and being manly at some minimum level. That includes, by the way, a good degree of empathy for women. it seems you …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/15 03:55 AM
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All of you RPers are impossible to reason with, because you seem to be singularly ignorant of circular logic. RP: "All of our axioms are true." Reasonable outsiders: "Why? Look at these counterexamples and counterarguments." RP: "All of our axioms are true because of these axioms of ours, which are true."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/15 02:27 AM
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NAWALTs Hey, a lot of us don't speak your man-village creep lingo. If you want to have a debate with us, speak in plain English.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/15 02:23 AM
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1: Your comment is dripping with misogyny, which proves the point that many of us are trying to make about TRP being a den of poisonously bitter sexists. 2: Women rate 80% of men on okcupid as being below average. Have your ever browsed through the male profiles on okcupid? It's like a rogue's gallery of the lost and undateable. It's about as accurate a cross-section of the male population as a bus stop at 3:00 a.m. in a shady neighborhood. 3: Despite your wailing, getting laid is super simple. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/15 02:21 AM
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I know plenty of women who work in law or finance who thrive on constructive criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 06:49 PM
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Who doesn't pine for the good old days, when a man could beat his wife in the privacy of his own home without the state interfering?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 05:58 PM
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I [...] couldn't really find a woman interested in having sex with me Hey, you said it man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 07:51 AM
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with varying shades of baggage ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 01:38 AM
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You'll realize when you get older that the guys who marry playboy models are the guys who never really grew up. No one looking to build a family, or even a stable, enjoyable life wants some dumb bimbo who can't string a sentence together to save her life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 01:32 AM
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Don't pretend you're special for noticing this. Everyone notices these things. It's not ignored by mainstream society; mainstream society just takes it in stride and doesn't get half so bent up about it. Nut up, man. Better yourself. You'll be alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/15 12:21 AM
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You know those overweight girls in class or at work with a permanent sneer on their faces? Whose bitterness about life is palpable in their every conversation? TRP is the male equivalent of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/15 11:46 PM
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Then they're stupid or deluded. Who cares? That some people miss the message doesn't mean that the message is not there. Ask any idiot on the street if he thinks that being handsome is important for getting women, and he'll say yes. What kind of world do you think you're living in?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/15 11:33 PM
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I'm no redpiller, but I flat out don't buy that women are insecure because of "society and the media." I think women are insecure about their looks because of competition with other women. Frankly, this is one thing I'm glad that men don't do: externalize every damn thing, and blame society for all of the frankly huge pressures that they're under.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/15 11:24 PM
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Maybe that's because anyone who's not autistically literal will see for themselves that being attractive is a pretty important factor in attracting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/15 11:22 PM
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Whether or not I want to live in one society or the other, to be a twenty-something in New York is to live in a tournament species society.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/15 11:17 PM
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So, what is wrong with r/theredpill? Should I just be a yes man for the rest of my life? It's not a choice between total pushover and borderline rapist. You can be assertive and confident and also not be a misogynist. I think that TRP is right in some of its observations. As a point of reference, racists are right in some of their observations too—it's not that all of the premises used to draw their conclusions are unsound, it's the misleading way those premises are used that's problematic. For …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/15 11:11 PM
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