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Even if he had a thing for those type of women, there's no way someone with his means couldn't afford to make discreet arrangements to have one of them come over to his hotel or whatever apartment he uses as his "love den."
/r/MGTOW03/03/19 05:17 PM
5

There are quite a few comments crying fake, but even a lot of those are followed up with replies of the form "I know women like this irl."
/r/MGTOW14/02/19 07:29 PM
5

Imagine your girlfriend told you she was raped by her stepbrother when she was 11 years old. In which case the comments would be full to bursting with "Man up!"
/r/MGTOW14/02/19 06:56 PM
5

A few years back, there was a more genteel version of this that made the headlines; google "Princeton Mom."
/r/MGTOW12/02/19 04:08 AM
1

For the first time ever men just have to deal with it on a case by case basis completely alone. I wouldn't say "for the first time ever"---this has always been the case, it's just a matter of degree. ​
/r/MGTOW10/02/19 07:59 PM
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As far as I can tell, with the possible exception of your very close male friends and/or some old people who might have too much time on their hands, the only people who will listen to any deep stuff on a man's mind that might make him look like a liability are therapists and hookers.
/r/MGTOW10/02/19 03:12 AM
8

Don't you know the mere admission of your being physically abused by your mom at a young age is invalidating and minimizing women's experiences? *headdesk*
/r/MGTOW09/02/19 09:15 PM
3

The only good non-hookup thing about clubs I can think of is if you're big into some deep form of techno and you want to vibe to one of your favorite DJs with other people rather than streaming their set at home.
/r/MGTOW09/02/19 08:50 PM
1

So from time to time I check if pump and dump is still doable. I can tell you it's getting easier. It has never been easier to pick up some chick at a bar. Part of it is that you probably give less of a shit than you did earlier. Another (perhaps bigger) part is that a lot of guys who would be approaching girls at bars had they been born 15-20 years earlier are mostly on Tinder now, which increases the novelty effect of getting chatted up IRL.
/r/MGTOW09/02/19 08:36 PM
2

One justification I've heard for this pressure to conform is that it's for the kids. You don't want your child to be the only kid in their class or friend group whose parents drive a 15-year-old car, or make them "weird" lunches, or don't take them on fancy vacations every summer. By that logic, all those immigrant parents who are busting their asses to provide for their kids are guilty of child neglect. EDIT: If OP's colleagues are childless, this of course goes out the window.
/r/MGTOW07/02/19 06:10 PM
2

It's more accurate to think of cheating men as the flipside of cheating women. One imbalance shows up in the court of public opinion; almost everyone will take the side of the cheated-on woman unconditionally, and although *some* people other than his friends or family members will take the side of the cheated-on man, *at least* as many will either blow it off as "shit happens bruh" or say that it's his fault for not handling his business or not making the girl happy enough.
/r/MGTOW07/02/19 05:24 PM
5

all the guys at the office (who are all married, mind you) are constantly bullying each other to conform. All you have to say is this, and the rest of the post practically writes itself. Your colleagues have thoroughly internalized the constant wifely pressure to not be "too out of step."
/r/MGTOW07/02/19 04:01 PM
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It almost makes one wonder if Japanese-style hostess bars will ever go mainstream in the US---but I don't see that happening anywhere outside the well-to-do set, i.e. guys who are too rich to be affected by anyone bleating about "objectification." EDIT: It just occurred to me that plenty of guys out there have donated more in one sitting to an at-most 6/10 playing games at home in her pajamas than they would have to pay for the company of a hostess who looks good, is well put together, and has e…
/r/MGTOW06/02/19 06:47 PM
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I agree with putting the lower limit around 25---a lot of younger women will get the chance to understand the emptiness of the insta-skank life and/or 1-dimensional "yaaaaassss kweeen" pop-feminism, and adjust accordingly before they get too close to the wall.
/r/MGTOW05/02/19 02:25 AM
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Even if she "walked the walk" by being with a couple of Asian guys in a row, this reads a lot like a specific variant of female hamstering.
/r/MGTOW05/02/19 02:07 AM
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It's not clear to me whether this is the result of "market forces" alone, or of American men being shamed out of being picky.
/r/MGTOW04/02/19 06:52 PM
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What you refer to is the case a lot of the time, but I've also seen such couples where the guy and girl were both rather young, and the weight the girl was carrying was clearly not of the "too comfy in a relationship" variety.
/r/MGTOW03/02/19 06:32 AM
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you have countries like Sweden where it's illegal to buy sex but not illegal to sell it. There are tons of sex workers in all first-world countries that are rightfully pissed about these kinds of developments (e.g. SESTA/FOSTA). For one thing, advertising on Craigslist or Backpage delivered a steady stream of clients that were mostly law-abiding and not likely to hurt them or kidnap them, and working online allowed them to vet clients better. Not being able to work directly online doesn't affect…
/r/MGTOW03/02/19 04:00 AM
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There are similarly moocher-ish men out there, but they are far fewer in number, and I'm betting even they wouldn't sink so low as to *demand* spending money from the person who paid their way for a vacation.
/r/MGTOW02/02/19 08:31 PM
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It's not just the occasional chubby chaser here or there----physically fit guys with overweight women is practically an epidemic in America now.
/r/MGTOW02/02/19 06:48 PM
2

How could such a mother ever have a terminally bluepilled son?
/r/MGTOW02/02/19 02:40 AM
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It's pretty freaky to see that some pussy-pass stuff which is (at least for now) only strongly implied in the US has actual legal weight in some first-world countries.
/r/MGTOW01/02/19 04:53 PM
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im gonna get my gun this week, im not scared anymore fuck this planet Everyone on this sub can empathize with your frustration from the last two posts---but this is NOT OK AT ALL.
/r/MGTOW31/01/19 05:03 PM
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if god wants me to buy an ar15 and if im gonan die alone or other people are coming with me? No.
/r/MGTOW31/01/19 04:46 PM
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Today's society in the western world is falling apart because the traditional family is no longer the norm. I would put this another way---throughout history and in different parts of the world, there have been genuinely different family traditions and norms, but even if you don't agree with a lot of these systems, there is/was generally an equilibrium within each of them where most people (regardless of gender) got real fulfillment and respect if they played their position most of the time. The…
/r/MGTOW31/01/19 04:23 PM
6

"How come women can bitch all day long about short men in polite/mixed company,..." FTFH
/r/MGTOW30/01/19 05:16 PM
7

"males do not experience mental trauma as they are incapable of doing so" I'm not 100% convinced this is real, but if it is, there are a shit-ton of male veterans, and spouses/children thereof, who would like a word with this woman. Come to think of it, I should say "girl"---this sounds like a college freshman's tear-streaked diary entry about being pumped and dumped.
/r/MGTOW30/01/19 02:36 AM
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On the occasions I've seen stuff like this, the girls would sometimes go on about their interests and background beforehand, and in this case it's not unreasonable to ask for an interesting message, because they actually give you something to work with. What's ridiculous is when the ONLY thing they write on their profile boils down to "entertain me because vagina."
/r/MGTOW26/01/19 07:35 PM
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They never address the actual question. They never tell you the truth. They just give you a broad, feel-good statement. It can't be emphasized too strongly that even *asking* a female such a question---doesn't matter if it's your mom, sister, best female friend that you grew up with---will almost certainly "beta-track" you in their mind. ...being loved for who you are as a person doesn't exist, and therefore, that craving for emotional comfort won't be satisfied just because you do. That's somet…
/r/MGTOW26/01/19 07:29 PM
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As a straight guy, i actually had issues getting laid in my early 20s, and i'd never consider dicks. Same here. That said, there's a more useful contrast to be made, namely between lesbians and gay guys. Almost no gay guy will mess with a woman after coming out, whereas plenty of women who have relationships with other women (e.g. "Lesbian Until Graduation" at womens' colleges) will sample the dick at least occasionally.
/r/MGTOW25/01/19 07:13 PM
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One of OP's replies contains the phrase In the rare case I were to go near a man The "never sleeps with any guys" has to be taken with a big grain of sperm. Given how hard it is for lesbians to close the deal with one another, there are quite a few who will hop on a dick in a moment of weakness.
/r/MGTOW25/01/19 06:58 PM
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The "why are guys overly sexual" crowd are looking down their noses at her for this blatant attempt at being the Cool Girl.
/r/MGTOW25/01/19 06:26 PM
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My read on Indian dudes (from India) is that most are deferential simps, arrogant dickbags, or alternating sharply between those two modes. In possibly related news, most East Asian women (in Asia) openly despise them, with no shame or pretension at all. Part of this is the "dark skin = lower class" prejudice, but all other things being equal, lots of the aforementioned women would give it up for a black American or a dark-skinned Brazilian .
/r/MGTOW25/01/19 05:37 PM
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Because let's be real for a second -most actual feminists, the ones who are loud and vocal, the ones who get into politics over it, are salty as fuck and hate men so bad, because they haven't been able to attract whatever man they've dreamed up in their head. And that pisses them off. They're 44 years old, 12 cats, no kids, stagnant career, and they're brainwashing the 23 year old ones who are right now casually believing some of the basic "oh but feminism is just to make sure women get treated …
/r/MGTOW25/01/19 02:13 PM
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There was one story that made the news not long ago, where this drunk woman got pulled over down south doing 60 in a residential area and tried (unsuccessfully, thank God) to talk her way out of an arrest by telling the officer she was a "well-brought-up southern girl."
/r/MGTOW21/01/19 05:15 AM
3

Generally better looks, more attention to appearance, and/or less overt contempt?
/r/MGTOW19/01/19 08:09 PM
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I don't agree 100% (sounds accurate for the Philippines, less so elsewhere) but yes, any Westerner who plans to spend large amounts of time in Asia had better have Face-Saving 101 under their belt.
/r/MGTOW19/01/19 08:01 PM
3

Its insane you have in shape decent looking guys chasing 3's with kids. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if most of these guys were raised by single moms.
/r/MGTOW19/01/19 04:13 PM
1

The whole "discomfort = part of the problem" rhetoric is one of the worst possible strategies for winning people over. "Lack of action = part of the problem" is somewhat better, since it at least speaks to one's agency/initiative. There's this idea (unfortunately widespread in American culture) that any kind of courtesy or empathy amounts to submissive flattery.
/r/MGTOW17/01/19 04:05 PM
2

It's not too surprising to see redpills explicitly stated in mainstream venues by non-gender-conforming individuals, or at least women who were non-gender-conforming for a short time (e.g. Norah Vincent).
/r/MGTOW17/01/19 03:45 PM
2

Then again, far far too many women are flat-out ugly AF. In all fairness, they don't have much control over this. But they have at least some control over how they present themselves, both appearance-wise and attitude-wise.
/r/MGTOW17/01/19 03:38 PM
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And let's not forget that quite a few of these 2/10s post slovenly pics. Outside of western Europe and North America, even women with jacked-up faces and/or non-willowy physiques will at least spruce up a little.
/r/MGTOW16/01/19 05:51 PM
2

What's worse, you have to "become" a man over and over again until you reach decrepitude, at least as far as most women are concerned. Case in point: the recent post of the advice column where the woman who must have been at least 65 was bemoaning her husband's (timely!) retirement.
/r/MGTOW15/01/19 01:44 PM
1

I would say between Valentine's and Thanksgiving, roughly...
/r/MGTOW13/01/19 10:03 PM
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RPR = Red Pill Rage
/r/MGTOW13/01/19 09:50 PM
2

Right, but almost all of those guys are secretly pining for the punani, her "platonic" request notwithstanding.
/r/MGTOW12/01/19 09:40 PM
1

As if abusing your child in this way wasn't bad enough, you'd be putting other kids in danger too.
/r/MGTOW12/01/19 09:36 PM
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Because apparently there are tons of asexual and/or monk-mode guys who are chomping at the bit to subsidize her lifestyle and show her off. EDIT: Or....this is how she thinks she can filter out the horndogs.
/r/MGTOW12/01/19 09:33 PM
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The timeline seems to rule that out (husband eligible to retire, wife 6+ years older); I'm not sure what the post-menopausal version of an "oopsie" pregnancy is. EDIT: There are some unionized fields where one can retire around 50, but the references to "the rat race" and "golf" rule that out as well.
/r/MGTOW11/01/19 07:01 PM
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If nothing else, at least the (female) columnist called the woman out on her double standard. It's not exactly the same situation, but this reminds me of my mom recently making a snippy remark about my uncle (her brother) for "enjoying unemployment a little too much" despite his long and lucrative career in software design.
/r/MGTOW11/01/19 06:59 PM
3

Girls to become women need to spread their legs and pop a cherry. Real hard. Not even---all they have to do is have their period. ​
/r/MGTOW11/01/19 06:15 PM
1

I guess #AbusersAreTrash was out of the question?
/r/MGTOW11/01/19 04:56 PM
2

Much more likely is that she has become fat, wrinkled & saggy, prematurely OLD looking; probably further damaged by not only decades of makeup and "tanning"; but also the drugs & booze of the lifestyle, and possibly even plastic surgery (failed or successful). Good point. It would be one thing if she became a personal trainer after the modeling ended, but apparently that's not what happened.
/r/MGTOW11/01/19 03:26 PM
2

Plus... she's now 34 -- her "prince" never came along, and her prospects of locking down a "beta bux" guy are virtually ZERO That's not quite true---I can imagine plenty of 35+ simps who would gladly wife up a 34-year-old former model. But if at some point you were living the kind of life where one of the greatest footballers in the world fucked you in his Vegas hotel penthouse, no run-of-the-mill 9-to-5 guy could even remotely meet your expectations.
/r/MGTOW11/01/19 02:33 PM
1

In China they cheat with bad boys a lot less but are EXTREMELY demanding economically way beyond Western women. About 15 years ago I was hanging out with this STEM Ph.D student from China, and as badass as he was in his research field, he was complaining to me that his (Chinese) GF at the time insisted he go into banking.
/r/MGTOW11/01/19 03:28 AM
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Maybe he thought her at-most-3-ness would make her more "grateful" or "humble" than a supermodel.
/r/MGTOW09/01/19 06:41 PM
2

By and large, the comments on the original post run the gamut from reasonable-ish bluepills to politely worded forms of "begone thot," but this one takes the cake: "Honestly if a man really loves his woman, money is the least of his concern. You are making a lot of money and she’s still willing to split with you. If you don’t want to invest in her now, then there’s a high chance that’s she gonna leave the relationship. There’s a saying, marry a man who gives you 9 when he’s making 10, not the ma…
/r/MGTOW08/01/19 03:44 PM
2

Or even if she doesn't lie outright, pivot to a subject on which she sees you as vulnerable once you've successfully refuted her.
/r/MGTOW07/01/19 04:01 AM
2

I noticed that this is from the UK edition---that being the case, the cutting tone doesn't surprise me. I suspect that if this were written up in the US edition it would read like soft concern trolling peppered with quotes from psychologists, but with the same underlying condescension.
/r/MGTOW05/01/19 05:36 AM
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Not sure what's so bad about this----at least she has the initiative to not just sponge off him. If she posts to 2X a year or two from now asking the hive-mind to approve of her monkey-branching because she "outgrew" her husband, that's a different story.
/r/MGTOW04/01/19 03:26 PM
2

What I find especially galling is that she expects daughter-in-law treatment despite not even being *engaged* to this dude.
/r/MGTOW25/12/18 04:56 AM
3

My advice would be to nope out on these kinds of gatherings in the future. While you don't need to swear off every last gathering that could possibly involve children of friends, what you're describing is a psychic load you shouldn't have to bear for anyone except family (and even then only if they're not toxic assholes). If there's anyone in this group that you consider a close friend, you should be able to meet them for a drink one-on-one, once or twice a year---even if they have kids.
/r/MGTOW25/12/18 04:38 AM
3

Even though there are plenty of Asian women in Asia who cheat, the "have my cake and eat it too" tone of the post makes it abundantly clear to me that this woman is either American- or Canadian-raised.
/r/MGTOW25/12/18 04:01 AM
2

I once dated someone who at the time (claimed she) wasn't in a rush to get married, and she was kind of annoyed that this uglier/fatter/lamer girl from her hometown was engaged and she wasn't. When I threw it in her face that she herself (allegedly) didn't want to get married, the reply I got was "that's not the point!" For most if not all women, getting married before their contemporaries establishes a desirable place in a certain pecking order.
/r/MGTOW25/12/18 03:39 AM
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I can understand the perception that women from S.E. Asia are a "better deal"---it's hard to imagine a Western man in the late 2010s who wouldn't feel refreshed by an attractive mid-20s woman showing him genuine respect rather than treating him like an inferior species. But take a look at middle-aged married couples from those cultures, and see if the husbands are any less likely to look beaten down than their Western counterparts.
/r/MGTOW18/12/18 03:28 PM
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abolish the concept of female cheating FTFY
/r/MGTOW09/12/18 07:43 PM
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Of course, if you believe those memes on FB, they are all precious hidden diamonds that can only be truly appreciated by the right man.
/r/MGTOW08/12/18 03:26 PM
2

I've been there a couple of times----as nice as this picture is, no picture could do justice to how breathtaking those mountains are.
/r/MGTOW08/12/18 03:15 PM
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The last thing I would do is talk mgtow to women. They will not understand and probably will resent you in some way, they'll make something up. One could counter with "who cares what they think?" and that wouldn't be entirely wrong, e.g. in non-work-related social situations. But in a lot of present-day professional contexts you don't want to be perceived as "female-unfriendly" in any way, shape, or form.
/r/MGTOW07/12/18 06:11 PM
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Basically every married woman with an automaton husband who hasn't been proactively affectionate with her in years is waiting to smack her upside the head.
/r/MGTOW05/12/18 06:11 PM
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Those women don't seem to realize that not even 2/3 of their assholery would be tolerated from their male counterpart.
/r/MGTOW19/11/18 04:06 AM
5

Not wanting to own a pet doesn't make you an animal-hater. Not wanting to do gardening doesn't make you a plant- or flower-hater. And so on...
/r/MGTOW05/11/18 06:01 PM
1

I agree with everyone that suggested all you can do is stand back and be there for him when things go south, but I'll also emphasize that your buddy is only 21. If things are as ominous as you say, then given how much people tend to change from 21 to 30, the timeline is on the order of 7-10 years at most. In light of the potential he has there's a lot of room for a sweet life left if he GHOW before 35 (even taking into account divorce settlements and/or redpill recovery).
/r/MGTOW05/11/18 05:49 PM
13

"Women give themselves to God when the devil wants nothing more to do with them." ---Sophie Arnould (note the gender of the source)
/r/MGTOW05/11/18 05:33 PM
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This is just an extreme case of a widespread phenomenon where guys who are not obvious mega-Chads are shamed into either invisibility or betabux-dom. There are a ton of guys who would never pay rent-type money to PG-rated twitch streamers and could either over-simp or under-simp depending on the guidance they receive.
/r/MGTOW02/11/18 04:40 PM
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....why the fuck does a woman think they are going to get you to crawl back to them if they flirt with or even get with another guy? Because they think guys size up women the way they size up guys.
/r/MGTOW31/10/18 11:40 PM
1

Agreed. The girls who can actually pull this shtick off look way better, and don't need to lower themselves to posting on OKC or similar---they already move in high-end circles and are always within striking distance of well-off guys who want nothing more than arm candy. Assuming this is for real, the vibe I'm getting here is that she dated or fucked at least 2 broke guys in a row and now it's time for the upgrade she "deserves." More often than not, women who are on this huge self-esteem/self-h…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/10/18 05:34 PM
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Alec Baldwin's character in "The Departed": "...Married guy seems more stable. People see the ring, they think 'at least somebody can stand the son of a bitch'. Ladies see the ring, they know immediately you must have some cash or your cock must work." Even if there's truth to this it's basically saying that marriage is a form of social proof for men. Once you realize marriage is not the only form of social proof, its benefits don't stand up to its disadvantages.
/r/MGTOW11/10/18 05:58 PM
1

I can believe that. In these extreme cases, it's clear that having a 21-year-old illiterate super-senior around wouldn't help anyone at all--not them, not the other kids, not the teachers--so the best thing to do is pass the kid along.
/r/MGTOW11/10/18 02:07 PM
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I am really sad that I won't get the same quality of education like the people a few decades ago used to get. I agree that it's sad how far the expectations have fallen. That said, the overall quality of education you get depends a lot more on your interest and motivation than on the exams you've been given; the fact that you've taken the initiative to seek out and work through these old exams shows that you have these things.
/r/MGTOW11/10/18 02:00 PM
2

I'm not sure you can pin this on girls/women, at least not at the high school level. There's a strong sense among a lot of parents that their kid is completely fucked if they don't get into a good college, and this puts pressure on schools not to grade too harshly. Another (not unrelated) thing is that in the interest of "accountability," many schools nowadays are closely scrutinized for scores on standardized tests as well as ordinary grades. Because of this it makes sense to ensure that the or…
/r/MGTOW11/10/18 01:25 PM
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I wouldn't say biggest cuck in the universe; he did wind up leaving (even if it took some nudging) and unfortunately there are guys who would have stayed in these circumstances. Cheating and disrespect in relationships is nowhere near being a new thing. However, I suspect that if this were 1995 that girl would at least have the quasi-decency to not shit where she eats. If it weren't for the wide acceptance of the fallacy that women would be reduced to barefoot and pregnant slaves if they didn't …
/r/MGTOW11/10/18 12:59 PM
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It's likely she would get dick pics even with a photo from collarbone up, things being as they are, but if you're looking for a long-term thing and trying to minimize the possibility of unsolicited smut, why in God's name are you showing that much cleavage? I know, I know, too much logic...
/r/MGTOW10/10/18 04:52 PM
10

Totally. If you're an above-average writer and/or speaker who cleans up nice, knows how to hit the talking points, and can take being an object of liberal scorn, you can live a pretty sweet life on the tradcon circuit.
/r/MGTOW10/10/18 12:43 AM
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More than half of women---and, sad to say, quite a few men---consider this "lack of passion" to be sociopathic.
/r/MGTOW05/10/18 06:01 PM
4

they are told what to expect from men in our current world not what to appreciate . FTFY
/r/MGTOW05/10/18 05:00 PM
2

The PUA/TRP crowd, by and large, seems not to understand that being Alpha is not a sustainable state---either for humans or other mammals.
/r/MGTOW05/10/18 04:42 PM
1

Even if you softened this to "What do you think about men who cannot be manipulated by sex?", it's not clear to me that the response would be any different.
/r/MGTOW05/10/18 04:30 PM
1

It's true that companies and universities expand/contract/close down/open up with time, but the average number of "big-boy jobs" that professional women consider acceptable for their man is not increasing a whole lot with time, if at all. This doesn't mean guys who are un- or under-employed should just sit around whining all day, nor does it mean women should just get back in the kitchen. It does mean that people need to calibrate their expectations.
/r/MGTOW04/10/18 06:08 PM
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Their subtext seems to be that there were never really many "good" men to begin with, only turds that women had to try and polish for the sake of financial security, respectability, and/or having children.
/r/MGTOW04/10/18 05:34 PM
1

If they were dead serious about LTRs they would be doing eHarmony or something similar. At least 80% of what they write on their Tinder profiles is what they tell themselves in order to not feel too cheap.
/r/MGTOW03/10/18 05:58 PM
1

The woman got mad he had the "audacity" to even think this. You know what's fucked up? I told her that if he was Chad she would have gladly obliged. She agreed. Yes, the "audacity" to contemplate what lies beyond his betabux station in life.
/r/MGTOW03/10/18 03:36 AM
2

You're probably right about it being subconscious. I know this one miserable married dude whose wife hasn't made any steps towards getting back into the workforce even though the kid is 5+. The kicker is that before kids and marriage, she wasn't some secretary or HR minion sitting around waiting to be swept off her feet, she was a degreed professional who was super into her job and bought her own house before she got engaged.
/r/MGTOW03/10/18 02:36 AM
1

According to this very recent article Hong Kong is not too far behind: https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/families/article/2147743/how-herbivores-hermits-and-stay-home-men-are-leaving-generation Given that their culture is more materialistic and less polite than Japan's culture, this doesn't surprise me in the least. The woman who wrote the piece is a former sex talk show host who seems near or at the wall, which of course explains the judgmental tone.
/r/MGTOW17/09/18 03:08 AM
5

How many women actually watch porno or read erotic novels? How many women play slot machines, scratch tickets or play bingo? How many women smoke? How many women drink? And on and on. And perhaps more to the point---how many women are glued to their phones for amounts of time that they would find unacceptable if 'women' were replaced by 'men' and 'phones' by 'video games'?
/r/MGTOW16/09/18 03:11 AM
3

I'm wondering how much of this comes down to the proprietors not paying off the cops and/or the cops acting on behalf of bio-brothels.
/r/MGTOW16/09/18 02:57 AM
1

"Holding frame" is personal integrity. No older male, no example to work from. This. Anything involving actions (either physical or mental) cannot be learned at a deep level without seeing someone else perform those actions effectively. Since the value of a man is determined by actions to a much greater extent than the value of a woman, the absence of stable older men in a boy's life is nothing short of toxic.
/r/MGTOW08/09/18 09:39 PM
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Can confirm. Many years ago at a club, I danced with this one girl who was practically eating out of the palm of my hand afterwards, but her friends---whom I paid hardly any attention to, despite their being a bit more conventionally attractive---gave me this stank look when I said goodbye to everyone. I'm 98% sure this is why she never returned my calls. (The fact that I'm not referring to texts gives you an indication of how long ago this was.)
/r/MGTOW04/09/18 01:39 AM
1

Women now feel it's "safe" to show us their true nature. One of many areas in which this now occurs is Top 40 radio. Back in the day there was a not-too-unbalanced mix of pop songs by female singers about heartbreak/cheaters and how much they loved their man. (There was also "Material Girl" and "Nothin' Goin' On But The Rent," but those were outliers.) Nowadays the latter type is almost nonexistent on the radio, and most songs are of the form 'I'm so strong I don't need no man', 'I want a bad bo…
/r/MGTOW22/08/18 10:02 PM
3

What is it that they think they are giving? In a lot of LTRs/marriages the decent ones take care of social stuff/family stuff---the problem is that they blow these things wildly out of proportion, and the resulting stress is self-imposed (i.e. we didn't ask them for it).
/r/MGTOW30/06/18 03:01 PM
3

A virgin will probably stick with you, but you'll have to work like a dog. In addition to working like a dog you'd have to sacrifice your freedom, time, resources, and mental sanity. It can't be emphasized enough that this is the best-case scenario for virtually every straight man who doesn't GHOW.
/r/MGTOW30/06/18 02:53 PM
0

Once you pay and bust you're done. No asking you to help move her friend's furniture, or asking where this is all going, etc. At least you know going in (no pun intended) that three or more fucked her that day, and you can make an informed choice.
/r/MGTOW29/06/18 02:34 PM
7

I once heard someone say that women can fake orgasms, but men can fake relationships.
/r/MGTOW29/06/18 02:01 PM
2

Lately I've been seeing a lot of couples consisting of fit (not just skinny) guys and overweight women. This is one of those things I used to see mostly with Black and Hispanic people that is now fairly common for White people as well.
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 04:40 PM
26

"You look nice today" is already crossing the line, at least nowadays.
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 04:31 PM
7

Every girlfriend I've ever had has always insisted that happiness was the 'most important' thing in life Although many authors have made the same point, I think Picasso put it most eloquently when he said "Women are suffering machines." The most any of us can hope for is occasional shittiness over small timescales and general contentment over large timescales.
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 04:14 PM
3

Something similar is true for political campaigns in the US---most male candidates have wives that are in their age group, and in some cases older. Women over 50 are one of the most reliable voting blocs; all other things being equal, they would rather not vote for the kind of guy who would either overlook them or trade them in for a newer model.
/r/MGTOW27/06/18 02:00 PM
1

When she leaves you for the ex convict junkie Even if it's not this extreme, it's worth noting that whoever a woman leaves you for/cheats on with you need not be "a step up" in any sense whatsoever.
/r/MGTOW25/06/18 02:39 AM
3

Unless there are real women (not bots) who actually read their posts and twist the arms of their husbands to pay for a trip, all those likes and followers are useless. If a woman is interested in these kinds of trips *and* can afford them without a man's help, chances are she knew of those hotels already.
/r/MGTOW20/06/18 12:41 AM
16

When I clicked on the username and saw that this was its only post, I also suspected above-average trolling. Even if by some chance the post is a fabrication, it resonated with the commenters enough to resemble a lot of real-life situations. Among the noteworthy comments is the following: "I have handled several thousand divorce cases; I have never heard a male client say to me he needs a divorce because he is not "happy.""
/r/MGTOW20/06/18 12:17 AM
4

How is being 6 ft 6 going to give you a higher chance of survival than a 5 ft 11 person? Once you're at about the 5'11" mark, anything higher is about bragging rights for the girl more than anything else.
/r/MGTOW17/06/18 04:32 PM
3

I think that if anything, they want to dictate what *men* prefer. The theory is probably that men's private porn consumption influences how men deal with women in general, and they want to "fix" this at the root.
/r/MGTOW15/06/18 07:56 PM
3

Before the internet, it was basically impossible to suss out women's porn preferences in any accurate way. Nowadays, we know at least this much: https://mic.com/articles/122962/pornhub-study-reveals-women-want-hardcore-porn#.n22Y1UwbR This pretty much settles the issue of how commercially viable "female-friendly" porn is.
/r/MGTOW15/06/18 05:06 PM
2

there's literally porn of every conceivable variety Bingo. This isn't like the situation for romantic comedies where chubby women or black women are routinely relegated to being the "sassy sidekick." There is tons of porn where guys are fucking non-white and/or non-traditionally-hot women with actual desire and no degrading/sizeist/racist stuff.
/r/MGTOW15/06/18 03:40 PM
7

I remember being a kid, and hearing my mom tell me about these distant relatives we knew; she marveled how "incredible" the husband was for forgiving the wife for stepping out. There's no way she would have been so effusive had the genders been swapped.
/r/MGTOW14/06/18 02:44 PM
3

Are these just beta male orbiters using incel as a way to invalidate our opinions to "main stream" society and white knight women? Funny you should ask that---even though I've seen women dump on MGTOW, the most vitriolic reactions I've seen so far are from bluepilled guys.
/r/MGTOW13/06/18 11:33 PM
7

its always the man fault, apparently he told my mother that he was not spending enough time with her and on the road a lot for is work. This is an enlightening example of why marriages and LTRs are a bad bet for men who are not independently wealthy. If you have a low-to-medium status job, you're almost certainly dancing on the edge of a knife economically, and if you don't have a fuckton of frame to compensate for this in her mind, the pussy dries up. Since this is not TRP most of you reading t…
/r/MGTOW13/06/18 08:32 PM
2

In the absence of a man, who is likely transmitting the message to boys that doing well in school is not manly? The women. What's fucked up is that this is not even an overt thing a lot of the time. Even if by some chance mom actually gets after her boys to do well in school (which is better than nothing, of course), the message is sent loud and clear by the guys she actually dates and/or her talking about "corny dudes" with her girlfriends within earshot of her sons.
/r/MGTOW13/06/18 04:43 PM
5

Nobody ever went broke selling flattery to broken women and women who think of themselves as broken. FTFY. There are tons of articles online implying that almost anything a woman's partner does that makes her feel in any way less-than is emotional abuse. I'm sure these generate a ton of click-through cash.
/r/MGTOW13/06/18 04:33 PM
5

That is a pretty fucked-up thing to do to a friend---assuming that's what really happened and the woman didn't just fuck a stranger and distort the facts to preserve a shred of dignity.
/r/MGTOW13/06/18 01:34 PM
12

I swear to God, I first read that as "Hold the door, pull my hair." Same difference...
/r/MGTOW13/06/18 01:51 AM
3

One benefit of staying in school is that if you do well in your coursework, you will gain enough expertise to be able to tutor STEM subjects on the side, which can take the edge off rough financial patches on the way to starting your business. Also, don't underestimate the value of networking with your fellow students. Since you're at a community college, quite a few of them will already be in the working world or may even have businesses of their own.
/r/MGTOW12/06/18 06:15 PM
1

Of course, lots of men do toxic shit but it's less common. And when it does happen, it tends to get dealt with swiftly.
/r/MGTOW12/06/18 04:33 PM
1

i'd rather have rogue one ALL females, or ALL chinese, or ALL whatever. There's a reason you don't see too many people on this sub bitching about Black Panther. its SO clearly a box to check to sell on a global market. now movies RELY alot on global sales, Disney is hellbent on recouping its investment as fast as possible, to the point of inducing "Star Wars fatigue" among the public and inevitably making the quality of the movies suffer.
/r/MGTOW12/06/18 02:45 PM
5

Why the fuck is there not a new Barbarella movie in production yet is beyond me You'd think that after the success of Wonder Woman, someone would get on this.
/r/MGTOW12/06/18 02:37 PM
29

Both genders have "irredeemable" tendencies that need to be kept in check if society is going to function more-or-less smoothly. Most of what we call etiquette in Western society does this for men. It used to do this for women as well, but lately, a warped interpretation of "feminine empowerment" has led people to believe that any kind of check on female tendencies--even the asocial ones--is sexist oppression. This is a big part of what makes romantic relationships a worse deal for men now than …
/r/MGTOW12/06/18 01:16 PM
28

Many men who are now toxic deadbeat narcissists were once "good" men. They found out that the most respected and loved positions of men are at the very, very top of the status pyramid and the bottom. So they chased those two positions. This shouldn't be too hard for women to imagine, since something similar is true for them and maintaining appearance. Almost no one says "hey ugly!!" to an average girl or woman with no makeup in a sweatshirt and jeans, but it becomes clear before too long that th…
/r/MGTOW12/06/18 12:54 PM
10

"Go big or go home."
/r/MGTOW12/06/18 01:08 AM
8

Not even "forgot," or "was late with." Refused.
/r/MGTOW12/06/18 01:07 AM
52

Most comments, even some from women, are telling the dude to run and not look back. Among the comments that don't, this one from "Laura me" takes the cake (emphasis mine). "how are the young women supposed to put up with the huge sexual and romantic demand from men? It’s not bluff, like Pamela says, it’s just overwhelming attention from other men while she still loves her current boyfriend- it’s unhuman to resist it. So multiple boyfriends happen all the time and it’s the only way to cope with t…
/r/MGTOW11/06/18 01:55 PM
2

I don't know if you're into hip-hop, but if you are, check out "Who Are They" by Scarface feat. K-Rino and Slim Thug---it fits this post to a tee. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHak9qBP9e8
/r/MGTOW11/06/18 12:48 PM
5

I will never understand how they get after you for not doing "self-improvement" stuff even though a huge chunk of what they do in their free time neither increases their earning potential nor contributes to society.
/r/MGTOW10/06/18 08:34 PM
1

Failing to validate every thought in their head in a way they deem fit is "dismissive gaslighting." But if you, as a man, express your freefloating thoughts to them with a similar lack of rigor or accountability, your chances of activating stank mode are at least 95%.
/r/MGTOW10/06/18 02:00 PM
3

"What if we put aside for a time the assumption of male dominance...Even the most "powerful" man has had at least as much happen to him as he has made happen." --Susan Faludi, 'Stiffed' (1999) "lulz@maletears" --at least 60% of UK/US/Australian women in the 25-45 age range on the internet (2018)
/r/MGTOW10/06/18 01:49 PM
0

Personally, I'm OK with this one; the guy seemed earnestly interested in how to put himself first (at least temporarily) without taking women very much into account (as opposed to wanting to learn game) and was not crapping on MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW09/06/18 04:12 PM
1

Somewhere else on this sub, it was suggested (and this sounds reasonable to me) that when feminism in the US first went mainstream, a lot of women who were in the top 20% economically and able to live out the Norman Rockwell housewife ideal were none too thrilled, like "why are you messing with this good deal we have?"
/r/MGTOW09/06/18 04:05 PM
13

I appreciate your posting this---the sub could use a lot more posts similar to this in tone and style. One suggestion I have is to find an opportunity to mentor boys or young men. Even if you are not explicitly redpilling them, you will probably get a deep sense of fighting the good fight, even if there's nothing any one person can do about the ambient culture. When women get screwed over as badly as you did, the entire world is conditioned to at least pretend they care. With guys it's like "eh,…
/r/MGTOW07/06/18 04:35 PM
3

By and large, the ones whose retort is "well, men are all dogs" or "the guy cheated on me first" semi-consciously think of guys who don't have the option of cheating as unworthy of their consideration.
/r/MGTOW07/06/18 02:55 PM
8

I was going to say it's not quite correct that women don't want to be led; they want to be in control and yet have that feeling of being led at the same time. However, your essential point seems to be that being the "leader" is not enough to keep a woman, and there I agree.
/r/MGTOW07/06/18 02:36 PM
5

A lot of the time it's not even clear how much leverage they have over themselves.
/r/MGTOW07/06/18 02:15 PM
1

The whole tradwife thing is "muh white race" at worst and "get back on the plantation" at best.
/r/MGTOW06/06/18 05:24 PM
7

Thanks for posting this. Although many MGTOW know on some level that even those in monk mode can have deep, meaningful interactions with others, it's important to be reminded of this on the occasions when the loneliness flares up.
/r/MGTOW06/06/18 05:12 PM
2

Among that list of 30 items, there are only about 5 or 6 that I personally consider wrong for an adult man (things like having mom cook and clean for them, or wearing sneakers to a nightclub). Just about everything else is relatively benign stuff that most women happen not to like. EDIT: To sharpen the point, there are guys who do most of the stuff on that list and have their shit together, as well as guys who do almost nothing on that list and are a total fucking wreck.
/r/MGTOW06/06/18 05:04 PM
5

Even though female sex tourism has been a thing for a while (European women tend to go to Africa and the Caribbean, while Japanese women are more about Thailand or Hawaii) it's hardly ever discussed in respectable mainstream venues, whereas white male sex tourists in Southeast Asia are a cliche.
/r/MGTOW05/06/18 03:20 PM
3

"The retail giant has faced widespread criticism..."
/r/MGTOW05/06/18 12:39 PM
2

"There's no point in having lots of money if you have no one to share it with" So there's no point in being able to take vacations whenever you feel like it, or being well-prepared for retirement. Too self-involved? Fine, you can help fund the nonprofit or charity of your choice, or your local Little League team, etc. and contribute to the social fabric while being able to come home from work every day and do whatever the fuck you want.
/r/MGTOW03/06/18 04:00 AM
2

Worse yet, if you posted a logical (and courteous!) argument on a feminist or bluepilled sub using this account, there is a good chance you would get banned just for having posted on *this* sub.
/r/MGTOW03/06/18 03:50 AM
3

The guy is rich, according to OP, and rich guys as far as I can tell tend to be purple-pilled at the very least; they see a side of female nature most non-Chad middle-class guys never will.
/r/MGTOW01/06/18 09:40 PM
1

It's funny you mention this--while I was writing my earlier comment, it occurred to me that male-only schooling in the primary grades would take a big bite out of this issue.
/r/MGTOW01/06/18 07:18 PM
1

Thanks for the thorough reply--I did in fact mean legislature.
/r/MGTOW01/06/18 04:38 PM
8

In some comment thread about an article discussing the aftermath of the Toronto killings, one of the commenters had a good point about the production of incels. According to them, a major source of the problem is that when boys (as young as 3 or 4) happen to have a lot of little girl friends, grownups talk them up as high-value, essentially indicating that boys with few or no girl friends are second-class citizens. This is one of those unstated things that seem like a whiny jump of logic to a lo…
/r/MGTOW01/06/18 04:23 PM
3

I cannot for the life of me understand how these people think choosing to engage with women only minimally amounts to hatred of them or potential violence towards them. This is not like fundamentalist forms of religion where the doctrine forbids your from associating with women outside your family, even if you are super thirsty; no one can force anyone to GTOW.
/r/MGTOW31/05/18 04:24 PM
1

My superficial understanding is that Germany is more socially sensitive than the US at the policymaking level, even if based on your comment it is less socially sensitive than the US in the realm of day-to-day working experience. Would you say that this is correct?
/r/MGTOW31/05/18 03:33 PM
3

I'm pretty sure that you remember some amount of in-class AWALT from your own high school days, but it probably wasn't this bad.
/r/MGTOW30/05/18 06:26 PM
2

I believed in helping others, I built homes for people, I made sure impoverished people got medical care, i even used to rescue animals when i was younger. Now for some reason thats seen as an act of submission? Ive never let myself take 2nd place in anything... My hat is off to you. I agree that way too many people these days think that if you have any sort of abiding concern for the greater good, and you act on it, you are automatically a sucker---it simply doesn't compute for them that people…
/r/MGTOW29/05/18 05:10 PM
5

The more I think about it, the more infuriating it is, i.e. being told directly that you had better "play your position" as someone who to them seems beta-provider-ish.
/r/MGTOW29/05/18 05:09 AM
10

I don't condone the punching in a non-life-threatening situation at all (not even if this was a dude) but it's a damn shame she thought this would end well for her.
/r/MGTOW28/05/18 02:44 PM
16

Although I realize it's not really the point, I wonder about people who can't appreciate that wood-fired smell.
/r/MGTOW27/05/18 03:40 AM
17

Even two of those three is not worth it.
/r/MGTOW26/05/18 02:18 AM
7

Everyday more men are getting fed the fuck up with the bullshit. This includes lots of men on the left of the American political spectrum. I know this has been posted in the sub before, but it's worth a look for any MGHOW who hasn't seen it yet: https://lithub.com/mia-the-liberal-men-we-love/
/r/MGTOW26/05/18 02:16 AM
1

This is one of the bright lines dividing the genders. When a man is around a guy friend who is down in the dumps, he will generally be understanding. In the worst case scenario, he'll say something like "dude, get it together" if his friend is being a little too lame, but this is not fatal to the friendship in and of itself. If we're talking about a woman and her husband/bf, being in the presence of a man who is not "ready for action" is a huge psychic drain for her.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 01:19 PM
1

...her emotions are too shallow, stunted and immature to comprehend actual feelings. Most are entirely capable of comprehending women's feelings; it's men's feelings that are the problem.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 01:07 PM
2

Just tell her you're broke and need money to fix the brakes on your car. That dries up a pussy faster anything. Leveraging hypergamy for fun and profit!
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 01:03 PM
3

What's the point of having SO if you can't share your emotions with?? Tons of women say this, when what they really mean is that they want you to be reassuring even if what you tell them is mostly (or even completely) bullshit.
/r/MGTOW25/05/18 01:02 PM
15

Lots of people still care about character; it's just that men are not allowed to question a woman's character in public, even if she did something extremely fucked up.
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 04:23 PM
3

In relatively mainstream non-redpill comment threads, I've seen commenters who express sympathy towards her get smacked down and reminded that hardly anyone would exhibit a shred of sympathy or ask about motivations if it was the dad instead; that was somewhat refreshing. Way back when Elian Gonzalez was in US headlines, lots of people thought it was noble of the mom who drowned to "sacrifice herself" so Elian could supposedly have a better life in the US, when in fact it was pretty fucking reck…
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 04:18 PM
2

Tons of male celebrities can reach into their pool of groupies for a quick fuck at any given time, but this was a risky proposition for them even before #MeToo. That's why they are likely to pay for hookers even if they're not simps, since whatever they are paying is partly hush money.
/r/MGTOW22/05/18 03:39 PM
4

Whenever blue-pillers see a list like this, they tend to say stuff like "The common factor of all your different relationships is YOU." The implication being that there's some internal stuff you MUST work on OR ELSE. I'll play along with their little game. Suppose for argument's sake that I do in fact have some sort of congenital quality which makes me a bad significant other. Then why waste my energy, and that of another person, on a relationship when I can find fulfillment in other ways?
/r/MGTOW21/05/18 03:36 PM
2

Don't you know that when a lot of women care about something, not giving a fuck about it is low-key misogyny? /s
/r/MGTOW15/05/18 08:12 PM
11

Even so, the style in which her little rant is written makes it clear that she and the women who go on and on about evil patriarchy run in different crowds. They probably think of her as basic (despite professing to stick up for all women) and she probably thinks of them as stuck-up bougie bitches.
/r/MGTOW14/05/18 02:20 PM
2

I wouldn't say these women or that level of commitment are non-existent, but recent social and economic trends have made them much rarer than when your parents were dating. I'm not saying everything was peachy-keen back then, but GYOW is a rational course of action for many more men now than in earlier times.
/r/MGTOW11/05/18 05:08 PM
69

On a related note, tons of wives lament the fact that they once had their pick of eligible guys and yet wound up with their husband. What they may not realize is that if those eligible guys of yesteryear are now married, at least half of *their* wives are thinking the same damn thing.
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 05:46 PM
15

I continue to be stupefied at people who think life is some kind of video game and marriage is yet another level you must achieve to win, with no thought of why it ever existed or what purpose it serves. When organized religion was a big part of life in the developed world, questioning marriage was almost the same as questioning the religion, with all that that entailed. In today's secular world, for a man to seriously question marriage is considered both a sign of immaturity/selfishness and a s…
/r/MGTOW10/05/18 05:31 PM
9

Aside from the 24-7 geriatric fuckfest that is the Florida retiree scene, there are probably discreet sex clubs whose members are exclusively in her age group, but the apparently overwhelming contempt for men pretty much rules that out.
/r/MGTOW09/05/18 03:45 PM
5

Before social media took off, the average 15-30-year-old female in the developed world was still in "privileged sorting mode" more than her male counterpart, but nowhere near as much as now. At the bare minimum she had to sort through maybe male friends, male friends of friends, male coworkers, and the random pickup attempt on the street. EDIT: I don't include catcalling or ogling here; even if those things can be kind of a nuisance, there's no sorting involved. If you include bars, clubs, onlin…
/r/MGTOW07/05/18 05:17 PM
1

AWALT Sister: It's over. It's been over for a long time. And it's just too bad no one's living in the real world. What. The. Fuck. These guys are holding down fucking *day jobs* while pursuing their passion, as opposed to sponging off their family, and she has the nerve to say they're not living in the real world. EDIT 1: This is easily one of my favorite posts on the sub since I joined, as it makes a rock-solid case for GYOW despite giving an example of a NAWALT. EDIT 2: Chances are, AWALT sist…
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 05:12 PM
23

Any husbands within earshot probably agreed, but dared not laugh about it in front of the wife.
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 02:11 PM
3

Typically, they don't feel the need to buy a bunch of stupid shit they don't need. Many of them can make their money stretch. But they get married and suddenly they are having to keep up with the Joneses because the wife doesn't want to be seen less than her "friend" Mrs. Jones. You are describing the main reason why so much advertising is female-centric. Indeed, what many of us on this sub are reacting to is essentially a Frankenstein monster built from 4.5-th wave pop-feminism and late-stage c…
/r/MGTOW04/05/18 01:17 PM
10

I've seen it argued that men's notion of restricted masculinity is something we do to ourselves, and that "progressive" women are accepting of a broader spectrum. I'll give them this much: in roughly the 16-26 age range (this could vary with area and culture) lots of well-educated girls/women are willing to test-drive a variety of guys, not all of whom fall into the standard categories. Once the clock starts ticking around 27 or so, their criteria becomes more and more "trad or bust," in many ca…
/r/MGTOW03/05/18 07:34 PM
20

Politicians are responsible in no small part for keeping outdated trad-thinking alive; in many cases, their sales pitch amounts to promising a trad paradise in exchange for your vote.
/r/MGTOW03/05/18 05:21 PM
61

Incels are the inevitable result of female financial freedom, sexual freedom, and online dating....when the socially acceptable options for straight men don't evolve past the tradcon model.
/r/MGTOW03/05/18 04:31 PM
2

That would be the /s after what you just said, to indicate snark/sarcasm.
/r/MGTOW03/05/18 04:23 PM
8

In light of OP's post history there seems to be an implicit snark tag.
/r/MGTOW03/05/18 04:09 PM
3

I would rephrase that as "easy times make weak men." The economic postwar boom in America was a good time for a lot of Americans, but even then it didn't benefit a man to be wimpy or dissipated.
/r/MGTOW03/05/18 03:34 PM
2

In spite of AWALT, around the time that list was written (and for a little while after) it was reasonable for a married middle-class American man to expect to at least "break even" in terms of fulfillment, money and/or respect, unlike today.
/r/MGTOW03/05/18 03:19 PM
13

"You can't fire us, we quit."
/r/MGTOW03/05/18 03:10 PM
6

This sounds right on target. If there are any kids in the picture, their cuteness/congeniality is probably long gone by the time Dad is 50, thereby removing at least 75% of the reason for his pretending to be happy.
/r/MGTOW02/05/18 08:56 PM
28

Even if by some chance there's some other stuff going on beside the car in the shop *and* she's not cheating on him, there's no excuse for this. I've heard women attempt to justify this kind of behavior with the fear that their man will take them for granted and cheat or leave if they don't "put him in his place." (EDIT: Having written out the last sentence, I realize now that this is projection on their part...)
/r/MGTOW02/05/18 02:59 PM
4

I think that if current trends continue, we'll see more women joining rich guys' harems and writing pieces on Thought Catalog about how it's an empowering feminist choice and no one should judge them for it.
/r/MGTOW02/05/18 02:17 AM
5

Aren't we kind of there already, or at least super close? Just think about the various links posted lately on this sub representing an effort to promote polyandrous relationships. Ironically quite a few OG polys are annoyed with this "trend" and emphasize that their lifestyle is not for everyone, or even for most people.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 09:28 PM
13

When I was in my early 20s and hanging out with several friends, we were in a department store, and an older gentleman (~65+) who seemed to be waiting on his wife exhorted us to "never stop having fun".
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 05:31 PM
11

Any legitimacy the article may have had was seriously compromised when she said the yelling would be more tolerable if the AI was male-sounding.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 05:14 PM
2

Most girls in that +/- 20 age group will bail at the slightest sign of abiding lameness. This can be pure hell for the bluepilled, but it's something OP can use to his advantage.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 02:46 PM
2

A friend of mine from high school has cousins from a blue-collar background that he used to be close with. They lived in my neighborhood, and I used to hang out with them; they were all pretty chill and not involved in bad stuff. My friend's wife, on the other hand, is solidly upper-middle-class with a degree from a famous private liberal arts college. I heard not too long ago that my friend estranged himself from his cousins. Although people can grow apart naturally over this kind of social div…
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 02:17 PM
6

Unrestrained thirst is of course a big factor, but there are also a lot of guys who think such girls are more likely to be loyal/grateful than conventionally attractive girls. Even if this was *sort of* true back in the day it's dead wrong now.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 01:56 PM
4

Wives who have been cheated on can post about it almost anywhere on or off Reddit and be guaranteed a huge cheering section. If a man does the same about his wayward wife on the average Internet forum, there will be some supportive comments, even some from women, but at least 1/3 of the comments will insinuate that it's his fault somehow.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 01:47 PM
3

The way I understand it, a lot of first-wave feminism advocated for nothing more or less than equality, and some of it was even anti-marriage. Even if similarly sober-minded feminist intellectuals exist today, whatever thoughtful and balanced opinions they may have are not what the average heterosexual man is dealing with in the late 2010s.
/r/MGTOW01/05/18 01:35 PM
3

All but the most sheltered women are made aware of the darker side of male nature by age 12 if not earlier. Because of the bluepill-shaming prevalent among the Western white middle class, lots of non-Chad men don't even acknowledge the darker side of female nature until *at least* age 25.
/r/MGTOW30/04/18 01:56 PM
5

At least for me, this "true neuroticism" is one of the primary reasons for GYOW. There seems to be this prevalent theory around here that every woman with a smartphone and any kind of sex drive is a Tinder slut (low-key or otherwise), and there's no shortage of evidence supporting that, but even in the unicorn scenario of complete sexual fidelity, the constant neuroticism/nagging/anxiety can be soul-killing if you put up with it.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 03:11 PM
15

Even if things don't get that bad---which they most likely won't---this is a roadmap on how to break someone in a way that doesn't help either them or society.
/r/MGTOW28/04/18 02:53 PM
3

There's no way in hell that woman isn't white. EDIT: I've heard that advice columns will sometimes false-flag an extremely fucked up letter to gin up submissions and/or readership, but I can believe that letter is for real since I've seen such people IRL.
/r/MGTOW26/04/18 07:36 PM
47

Pussy pass is everywhere these days. My bar/club days are long gone, but what you are talking about was pretty common back then. I would even go so far as to say that the bar/club pussy pass is a kind of precursor to what goes on today in Western society at large.
/r/MGTOW26/04/18 12:24 PM
14

A long time ago at the Tunnel (a now-defunct club in NYC) two underage girls got caught fucking dudes in the bathroom and reported it as rape. Shortly after this made the local news, it was revealed that the encounters were consensual.
/r/MGTOW26/04/18 05:18 AM
3

If the title was different and/or the last full paragraph (rather than the next-to-last one) was bolded, I doubt the downvotes would be that plentiful. The point as far as I see it is that the girls OP describes are essentially fake unicorns.
/r/MGTOW25/04/18 05:01 PM
8

I've heard that in Chinese hospitals, ultrasound machines are locked down like Fort Knox for this reason.
/r/MGTOW25/04/18 04:09 PM
1

Another example of recent vintage (aside from Theresa May) is Aung San Suu Kyi and the Rohingya genocide.
/r/MGTOW25/04/18 01:22 PM
1

See Japan, they see the fathers being a slave for the family.... ....and the mothers bitching about every damned thing regardless, and they're like, fuck that noise.
/r/MGTOW24/04/18 04:51 PM
55

I'm not sure exactly how big this guy is in Africa, but judging from a quick Youtube search it seems like he could have his pick of groupies if he wanted, i.e. he's almost certainly not "sent his own way."
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 09:18 PM
1

I agree that Tinder/FB/IG and the like have only fanned the flames of narcissism. But way before that, there was the 1980s "Me Generation" stuff.
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 05:40 PM
2

It's pretty amazing to see self-proclaimed feminists openly claim that an entire race of women can't think for themselves.
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 03:03 PM
2

That's my impression as well---the worst aspects of modern Asian materialism without any redeeming cultural heft. Perhaps one redeeming feature is that in my experience, fucking (as opposed to wifing) Singaporean girls is a binary thing, much moreso than with girls in the West or other Asian countries. In the 0 case, they will shut you down with little or no attempt at politeness or leading you on. In the 1 case, they are good to go without any pretensions of respectability.
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 03:00 PM
4

This is why lots of wives are not too keen on their husbands hanging out with single friends, even (maybe, especially) if said single friends have their shit together and/or are not constantly on the prowl.
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 02:34 PM
4

I wasn't around for it, but as far as I can make out, there was this tiny little window of time in the US, about late 60s-early 70s, where it was understood that women should have higher levels of personal agency than the average 50s housewife, and yet relationships (intimate or otherwise) were prioritized over narcissism.
/r/MGTOW23/04/18 02:16 PM
7

It was also bizarre to see female expats, who back home claim they would NEVER date East Asian men, all of the sudden getting yellow fever... There must be chemicals in the water... Although it would strike me as bizarre also, it sort of makes sense since the spectrum of East Asian men in an Asian country is much broader than in a Western country. Regarding the high demand for English instruction, I could be wrong, but I would guess this is at least partly due to the crippled state of the econom…
/r/MGTOW21/04/18 03:32 PM
25

In some Japan Times article on Japanese/Gaijin marriages, there was this one married couple featured where the guy was American, 40ish and formerly in the Navy; the in-laws thought he was a scrub for having the audacity to go back to school while his wife was working, despite the fact that dude busted his ass every day in the Navy for 20 years. Sure, some in America think like this too, but a far smaller percentage than in Asia.
/r/MGTOW21/04/18 03:24 PM
3

*You can't find a virgin girl over 18 in China, but plenty of dudes in their late 20s still are.* It's been pointed out elsewhere in this sub, and corroborated by a buddy of mine who taught English in China, that plenty of Chinese girls have insanely high standards for Asian guys and yet give it up on the first date for a broke-ass laowai who is height-weight proportionate, maintains basic standards of personal hygiene, and/or has a small shred of game. EDIT: I seem to recall that non-Chad guys …
/r/MGTOW20/04/18 07:14 PM
7

I think your correction is reasonable. After seeing you put it like this, it occurs to me that many if not most women who pride themselves on being "intellectual" are memorize-and-repeat rather than memorize-thoroughly explore-obtain a well rounded gut level understanding. EDIT: Some guys are like that as well, but they are hardly ever taken seriously by anyone over the age of 17.
/r/MGTOW19/04/18 06:01 PM
5

The percentage of men who are both intellectual and tingle-inducing is greater than zero, but much smaller than these women would like.
/r/MGTOW19/04/18 05:48 PM
12

That's the heart of the matter if you ask me. Regardless of how society is set up, there will always be people who think like this; for them to be given a prominent platform to express these thoughts is straight-up pathological.
/r/MGTOW18/04/18 01:51 PM
20

...she just loved idea of a fat beta She made that perfectly clear when she recalled their first date and noted that he was fatter than her.
/r/MGTOW18/04/18 01:31 PM
20

The original post is now removed. Guess the comments were not as uniformly "you go girl" as she had hoped.
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 08:12 PM
10

...she's not going to be able to ride on the coattails of some six figure alpha as she might have at 20. Had she crossed paths with a six figure alpha at 20, it would almost certainly have been a pump-and-dump.
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 07:08 PM
18

As pointed out in one of the other posts on this, he gives every indication of being genuinely good and giving. Yet somehow this is all null and void if he doesn't want to be on the plantation.
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 06:04 PM
9

I would have upvoted regardless, but I'm not sure why this got a downvote. The only reason I can fathom is that someone thought this was more TRP/PUA than MGTOW; in my opinion, it's one of those things that underscores the need to GYOW. Anyhow, while "the women are allowed to complain" applies much more broadly (no pun intended) what you are talking about is discussed very well and very thoroughly in the blog post http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/ Once you, a man…
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 04:55 PM
1

On a related note, even if you look at their counterparts who have four-year degrees involving complicated math or science, many express little or no interest in "big" or "deep" topics. Someone else mentioned this on another comment thread, but I will expand further. I notice quite a few men with similar educational backgrounds and similar disinterest in big and deep topics---that tends to be because they are on the older side and have a corresponding amount of responsibility/exhaustion. By cont…
/r/MGTOW17/04/18 03:30 PM
5

Even if a 30+ guy is single, it's not only his responsibilities at work that are higher than that of a typical 20-something guy---when socializing with other people (of either gender) it's less acceptable to be "just there" and the expectation to be "on" is higher. I don't necessarily think this is a bad thing, but it does explain why we need all this time to recharge our batteries.
/r/MGTOW12/04/18 07:11 PM
3

and he still wont dump her right there in the fucking spot? This is possibly because of the kids. Even so, it's mind-boggling to see the number of DB posts where the couple is childless...
/r/MGTOW11/04/18 09:29 PM
3

In most of these, the boyfriend/fiancé/husband is played as unsympathetic. The only quasi-exception to this that I can think of is "Lost In Translation" even though Scarlett's character was only having an emotional affair. Her main dude was super busy with work, but it was made clear that he really cared about her.
/r/MGTOW11/04/18 03:48 PM
2

On a closely related note---modern American women often don't realize that men never "had it all." This piece from 2012 is not MGTOW but makes the point decently enough: http://ideas.time.com/2012/06/27/men-never-had-it-all/
/r/MGTOW11/04/18 12:55 PM
1

Even when they are not disgusted as such by the openness, they tend to lock onto the least charitable interpretation of your phrasing; every non-reassuring tone or word choice is yet another hole you have to dig yourself out of.
/r/MGTOW10/04/18 05:35 PM
1

I'd bet dollars to dirt clumps that most of the men who routinely lose their shit about minor things grew up without non-simp fathers in their lives.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 01:54 PM
2

It has to do with being raised as snowflakes where "everyone's a winner" and nobody is given discomfort when they are young, What's really fucked about this is that the kids and the teachers know the participation trophy stuff is bullshit. Nonetheless, principals in upper-middle-class-and-higher school districts have been caving to relentless pressure from helicopter/snowplow parents for the past 20 years or so. Since the norm at fancy schools is blindly understood as what is necessary to "get a…
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 01:50 PM
7

What's peculiar is that in spite of the recession and the rise of political correctness that happened around the same time in the early 90's, that time period was an order of magnitude more chill than now. Of course, there was no social media back then to inflame these things.
/r/MGTOW09/04/18 01:44 PM
11

Her gravitational field?
/r/MGTOW05/04/18 03:43 PM
7

it's because they receive 50 messages per day from beta They need to understand the term "convenience sampling."
/r/MGTOW05/04/18 03:26 PM
2

Two good friends of mine (from different areas and different friend groups) were both in the Catholic school system from K to 12, and they can vouch for this.
/r/MGTOW04/04/18 03:53 PM
6

The standard female retort to this kind of thing is, "well what about guys? guys want a girl who's wholesome enough to take home to mom and fucks like a porn star." Even to the extent that this is true, hardly any guy expects the girl to be the perfect balance of mom-friendly and porn star at any given time. On the other hand, the guy had better be the exact mix of attributes that she wants when she wants it or get shitted on otherwise.
/r/MGTOW04/04/18 03:30 PM
2

Yes, even you over there, the guy who left society 15 years ago and live the quiet life of a monk, its your fault she did this. Clearly, if Mr. Monk stepped up to being a "real man" and "took care" of her, she would have eventually shot only him rather than innocent bystanders.
/r/MGTOW04/04/18 02:19 PM
20

Some people would argue that you've been "Sent your own way" because you didn't have a choice in the matter. I don't agree with that... ...nor do I. There are tons of guys who have never had success with women and yet are still holding out for a NAWALT.
/r/MGTOW03/04/18 05:10 PM
2

Maybe you have to control for age/independence, but Elliot Rodger (probably the most infamous incel in recent memory) came from a well-off background. Of course, he played his cards spectacularly wrong; he could have paid for a hooker, or taken girls who wanted a part in one of his dad's films to the casting couch, and those people he killed might still be alive.
/r/MGTOW03/04/18 04:46 PM
87

I'm not the biggest fan of raised voices in general. However, most if not all women who are utterly terrified by raised male voices have no problem blowing the fuck up at their bf or husband over some stupid shit.
/r/MGTOW03/04/18 04:40 PM
4

Although she didn't get into his occupation, it's worth noting in general that the days are long gone when a man in the US could reasonably support a middle-class family with a white-collar job that left him enough time and energy to be "running game" at home. (Which doesn't mean he necessarily did, of course.) The decline of this coincided with a huge upsurge in women's expectations (house+fancy job+tingles) and we are now witnessing the results.
/r/MGTOW03/04/18 04:09 PM
5

The vibe I got was "spreading the love" rather than "please tell me how kickass I am." As far as validation is concerned, women who choose to stay single have a "you go girl, you don't need no man" chorus virtually guaranteed to cheer them on at any given time. Most men don't need anywhere near that level of cheering on, but even the most thick-skinned person needs validation from time to time, especially when it seems like the whole world is trad-shaming them for not sharing their largesse with…
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 05:08 PM
12

Many years ago I went through a similar phase with mainstream magazines. Once I stopped reading them--and therefore taking in much less advertising--my mental health significantly improved.
/r/MGTOW02/04/18 01:25 AM
1

Fortunately more than half the commenters, quite a few of whom were women, called her out for trying to involve a random dude rather than getting the attention of the staff. If you think that was a bad move, consider the fact that at least one stripper was dumb enough to bring her BF to work expecting him to white-knight, with disastrous results: https://www.craigslist.org/about/best/det/178244794.html?lang=en&cc=us
/r/MGTOW31/03/18 02:46 AM
2

What are the chances that such an INDIVIDUAL forum is going to: A) be suddenly "flooded" with escort ads; and B) that the owners, administrators, mods will not SEE and respond (delete, block, ban, turn manual "filtering" back ON) within a very quick and (legally) reasonable period of time. Thanks for the reply. I agree with you that the hypothetical "woodworker's forum" with competent staff behind it has little or nothing to fear; I was thinking more in terms of hatchet jobs on "undesirable" for…
/r/MGTOW29/03/18 04:11 AM
6

This is pretty fucking disturbing. If I understand correctly, it means any online forum whose admins can't afford high-priced lawyers could get shut down because someone flooded them with escort ads.
/r/MGTOW29/03/18 03:03 AM
54

One girl in the comments openly admitted to shit-testing, because relationships without it are supposedly "superficial." EDIT: The way she puts it, she wants her guy to shit-test her for personal growth reasons; this points up the huge difference in how the average male and female egos are tested out in the world on a regular basis.
/r/MGTOW28/03/18 09:12 PM
1

True, except maybe for the rap part where the guy tells the girl to step if she can't invest in him.
/r/MGTOW28/03/18 05:06 AM
3

Although I haven't yet heard this, it's hard for me to imagine how any song could beat "Hey There Delilah" for sheer cuckedness.
/r/MGTOW27/03/18 08:52 PM
1

It makes me wish feminists were fighting more against marriage... As far as I understand, what MGTOW wants for men is not that different than what "classical" feminism wants for women, which is a shame. EDIT: I should have put it a little differently. My take is that feminism advocates for women to have the option of GTOW, not that it is the mirror-image of MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW27/03/18 03:04 PM
8

Looking through the comments, I saw a reassuring number of people who stated that the phone checking was bullshit regardless of how depressed/anxious the wife was. Someone with a female-sounding reddit name even pointed out how everyone would be up in arms about jealousy and abuse if the genders were interchanged. Just the same, it's pretty clear that if this was a wife posting about her dependent husband maybe 3% of the commenters would ask the OP to take anxiety/depression into account and hal…
/r/MGTOW27/03/18 02:56 PM
5

Female social media posts exemplify the principle that the only way for a man to win is not to play. 95% of the comments you might make as a man, no matter how valid or polite, read as either beta-thirst or mansplaining to the OP and/or one of her friends, and there is hardly ever any personal or professional upside to joining the conversation.
/r/MGTOW26/03/18 09:00 PM
2

Good on your friend (the one who got hit on) for not taking her up on her offer.
/r/MGTOW26/03/18 02:00 PM
10

Whenever I see posts like that I'm 99% sure the OP is a white woman from an upper-middle-class background in the US, UK or Australia. Although there are women of all races, nationalities and socioeconomic backgrounds who want to cheat and/or have crazy expectations, the ability of the aforementioned demographic to think the universe should bend to their whims is nothing short of mind-blowing.
/r/MGTOW25/03/18 05:31 PM
1

I don't know what's worse, the fuckshit she pulled later on trying to separate him from his girlfriend or the fact that all she had to do was bring up her concerns without holding the relationship hostage.
/r/MGTOW24/03/18 10:36 PM
2

Even if AWALT, I suspect that the few women who are seriously into mountaineering are among the least likely women to crap on MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW23/03/18 03:29 PM
1

I wouldn't worry too much about the housewife stigma---there are plenty of housewives whose parents pushed them to pursue education and careers when they were kids. I second the advice about raising her as a good human first and foremost. Even if you can't completely defeat biology, it's certainly possible to raise a daughter whose AWALTism tops out at "kind of annoying" levels rather than life-wrecking levels.
/r/MGTOW22/03/18 01:31 PM
2

It's not hard to envision a similar list written by a late-20s woman which is more articulate with more adult-y items like "You WILL be making at least $100,000/year after taxes at most 5 years from now."
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 03:23 PM
3

It sounds like she is trying to better herself, and if you say you have a strong relationship I can only assume she treats you well (e.g. is not some kind of ungrateful leech). Based on what you've said and the fact that this is immediate family (as opposed to, say, an ex) I would go out of my way to help at least temporarily, if I were you and I had the means.
/r/MGTOW21/03/18 01:17 AM
3

Good on your friend for making his exit, in the sense of "better late than never" (if in fact that's what happened). I don't know anything about anything, but I suspect that even if mom was successful in turning the daughters against him earlier on they'll probably come around by 18ish as long as he stays involved.
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 08:59 PM
1

If you visit childfree forums you'll occasionally see epithets like "crotch droplet" thrown around. Although it's not my style, I can understand how all of the shit people get for not wanting kids can put someone in that kind of mode. While there is currently wide acceptance in polite Western society of the idea that women should be able to determine their own paths with or without men---something I have no objection to---the idea that straight men of a certain age must aim for white-picket-fenc…
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 04:09 PM
17

Nice job! Even if long-haul parenting is not the same as babysitting for one day, there's no reason she can't manage something on a regular basis which is less than or equal to what you did and greater than what she usually does. At a bare minimum the bitching to the kids about dad not being rich needs to stop yesterday.
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 02:16 PM
8

And also--"Would I do the same thing for a man?"
/r/MGTOW20/03/18 01:28 PM
4

In addition to having a small achievable goal and steadily working towards it---you should do one thing every day that reminds you you are not a complete slave to inertia---another thing that might jolt you out of your rut is to look into at least one hobby/interest/topic that (a) you have never seriously looked into before, and (b) is not dominated by the under-40 crowd. The last thing is pretty important since trying out something new and feeling old because of it will only sap your motivation…
/r/MGTOW19/03/18 02:23 PM
2

I've seen a number of tweets of this type; by and large they seem to be from escorts, camgirls, findommes and findomme wannabees, with a few tumblr-kiddies thrown in for good measure. It's crazy how even though they rally under the feminist flag, all this "I put on some makeup and showed some cleavage on IG now be my paypig you fucker!!1!" nonsense is making Eleanor Roosevelt and Abigail Adams roll in their graves.
/r/MGTOW18/03/18 05:21 PM
1

It looks like a throwaway made for that one post. In any case, the guy wasn't even raging---it was more like "??what the hell??"---and what he wrote was still apparently cause for suspension.
/r/MGTOW17/03/18 10:02 PM
1

Sorry to hear that. It sounds like you've got your head on straight as far as this goes, but anyone on the edge of this situation should realize they will be the ones dealing with the consequences of their decisions long after their parents are gone. Your mom and dad can't take "bragging rights" with them when they die.
/r/MGTOW17/03/18 09:51 PM
27

It speaks volumes that one of the commenters there was surprised at one of their former-Chad friends being MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW15/03/18 09:45 PM
1

Either of the "married" or "coworker" aspects is enough on its own to make this a bad idea; their combination makes this a supremely bad idea. If all you want is to get your dick wet, I find it hard to believe that someone like you would have much trouble finding a girl whose attractiveness is in this woman's ballpark yet is neither attached nor a coworker. I can understand that one "advantage" of married women is that they are much less likely to try and trap you. Any guy who can't help but go …
/r/MGTOW15/03/18 05:53 PM
9

The best possible case (this is not saying much) of what I talked about in my reply is when they actually are selfless. Hiding behind the "martyr mom/wife" thing while doing whatever, now that's really fucked.
/r/MGTOW15/03/18 05:04 PM
13

"I finally did something for...me" The other things are sort of understandable since no one can avoid feeling alone or unhappy from time to time---but this really gets my goat. There are tons of women (and quite a few men) under the mistaken impression that anything they do purely for themselves is somehow selfish and immoral, when in fact their loved ones would prefer they do whatever it takes to not become batshit crazy.
/r/MGTOW15/03/18 04:21 PM
1

If the number of solid things that male self-worth could be based on were higher, both genders would be better off.
/r/MGTOW14/03/18 08:19 PM
1

To the extent that it matters, non-party-animal-type girls 6/10 or above can get as much Tinder cock as they want.
/r/MGTOW14/03/18 08:04 PM
1

Even assuming some pioneers of Western feminism advocated for nothing more or less than equality and were against "pussy on a pedestal," far too many present-day Western women want the perks of both the equality and tradcon models without the responsibilities of either.
/r/MGTOW14/03/18 03:24 AM
2

Setting aside the crumbs of good etiquette floating in this semi-coherent ragefest, the only takeaway as far as I'm concerned is don't bother virtue-signaling.
/r/MGTOW14/03/18 02:21 AM
2

And how can yoga pants be so comfortable when they go up your ass pretty much by design? They're probably used to it from years of wearing thongs and/or similarly intrusive underwear.
/r/MGTOW14/03/18 01:20 AM
4

I'm no expert on women's apparel, but I'm pretty sure that in this day and age someone has come up with corporate-office-friendly pants almost as comfortable as yoga pants.
/r/MGTOW13/03/18 08:21 PM
5

This is due not only to SMV, but consequences or lack thereof.
/r/MGTOW13/03/18 07:17 PM
5

The elderly, the visibly unwell, disabled or exhausted, and the pregnant---that's about it. There is no reason in the world for me to give up my seat for a stranger of either gender who is not one of the above.
/r/MGTOW13/03/18 03:50 AM
6

I have a similar reaction to the word "casting," for essentially the same reason.
/r/MGTOW12/03/18 11:30 PM
10

Asian men are woke as fuck when it comes to women... I think this has a lot to do with the fact that the trad-shaming and female materialism tends to be front and center in Asia. You basically know what the deal is from around 17-18 (if not earlier) and can act accordingly without wasting too much of your life.
/r/MGTOW12/03/18 08:20 PM
27

The amount of unattached dads with sole custody (e.g. widowers) open to a "Brady Bunch"-type deal and decent childless guys who would be OK with being a stepdad (e.g. because they had a ton of siblings and helped raise the very youngest ones) is infinitesimal compared to amount of single moms that want a relationship.
/r/MGTOW08/03/18 09:00 PM
27

"Why should it?" Maybe because the well-being and well-adjustment of a human who cannot fend for themselves is your main priority, and that makes a difference? This is not even the same as being "married to your career" or a "fur mom."
/r/MGTOW08/03/18 08:42 PM
7

This of course is driven by the bottom line rather than social justice considerations; there is widely quoted research to the effect that women spend more money than men and play a major role in big family purchases (e.g. cars). There's been a concerted effort to drag Western men onto the consumerist carousel in the last 15 years or so, e.g. with lad-mags and their advertising, but it's not clear (to me) that this has worked very well.
/r/MGTOW08/03/18 07:01 PM
26

Maybe 10-15 years ago I read an online comment from guy specifically saying that it was our (men's) lot in life to risk getting hurt or killed, because otherwise the thugs and bullies would run everything. This is ridiculous; no thug or bully who wants to run anything is going to think "Some fool got in other people's business and got himself killed, I'd better watch my step." You see a similar kind of naivete with people who don't know how nature works and try to help wounded/dying animals; the…
/r/MGTOW08/03/18 03:36 AM
4

Not quite--shaming is currently nonexistent for women in the west.
/r/MGTOW07/03/18 09:34 PM
4

Tragically enough, most virginal guys in North America who pine for the emotional connection aspect dismiss the option of paying their local hoes as empty, sleazy, and/or sexist. I once heard that back in the day in some Latin American country (I forget which) boys who didn't get laid by age 17/18 for whatever reason were traditionally taken to a hooker, after which point women were demystified to a large extent and they could get on with their lives.
/r/MGTOW05/03/18 08:53 PM
10

In that event, they can deal with the fallout themselves. Or at least I don't have to deal with it.
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 04:31 AM
39

Better that than popping out kids they don't really want...
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 03:48 AM
1

If you have a decent amount of text game/chat game and some patience, it's not insanely difficult to find a girl online (not 10K followers IG model caliber but not a hambeast either) who will show you her stuff on cam free of charge. Otherwise there are a zillion free camgirl videos on your favorite porn site. That said, I can sort of get the human contact part of paying for a camgirl. What's harder to get my head around is the financial domination stuff.
/r/MGTOW04/03/18 01:22 AM
1

Although I take this as the venting that it is, rather than a serious call to arms, what pisses me off is to no end is the underlying attitude (pervasive beyond this post) that men are mere animals to be housebroken.
/r/MGTOW03/03/18 11:53 PM
29

If in fact it ever really happened in the first place.
/r/MGTOW01/03/18 03:22 AM
3

Fair enough. At the very least, the pussy pass upgrade is an extra perk.
/r/MGTOW28/02/18 10:06 PM
3

Maybe this is partly why you see so many busted-ass young women with kids. Without kids, their pussy pass is much weaker than that of their 5+ sisters.
/r/MGTOW28/02/18 09:59 PM
7

Clearly this is because of the system we set up to pit them against one another. /s
/r/MGTOW28/02/18 07:49 PM
2

As long as society lacks integrity... people will behave like children. Lack of integrity and maturity has always been with us, but as of late it is widely perceived that these qualities are not rewarded.
/r/MGTOW28/02/18 05:27 PM
9

Back in my 20s, during a time when I had a mixed-gender group of friends and I was dating someone, it wound up being just me and a couple of guy friends on one of our nights out. Even though I wasn't fed up with women at all back then, I was surprised at myself how refreshing it was to not have to cater to/triangulate around them for one night.
/r/MGTOW27/02/18 04:54 PM
2

I think men in general should start hanging out with one another more, to ward off loneliness. On a closely related note, I saw some article not too long ago positing that one reason American men are fucked up to a large extent is that although touch is a basic human need it becomes a prize to be doled out by females after early childhood. (By contrast, there is no stigma attached to same-sex touching in China.) Even if you are not a touchy-feely person, it's not too hard to see that in North Am…
/r/MGTOW27/02/18 03:18 PM
2

Just from those 2 posts of hers, it's clear that she's too basic to think in such highfalutin terms as "gender war."
/r/MGTOW24/02/18 04:16 PM
1

Even if by some chance the original post is a fabrication, the Brad Pitt/George Clooney divorces mentioned earlier in this thread support its main idea.
/r/MGTOW23/02/18 02:59 AM
1

Or, at the very least, we--unlike women--are seriously penalized for not being straightforward.
/r/MGTOW15/02/18 03:18 PM
9

I can accept that given the absence of social constraints on women, the vast majority of them may indeed be like that. I think this is a key point. Social constraints across the board are meant to mitigate jerky behavior that is often a result of human nature. But lately, the idea that every gender-specific social constraint on women is patriarchal oppression has taken deep root in the West.
/r/MGTOW10/02/18 09:13 PM
3

Regardless of her actual weight, this snippet doesn't suggest anything like "how dare you not find me attractive, you oppressive lookist shitlord," or even "I deserve to be wifed up by Chad." My commenting history shows I haven't gone easy on female posts or personal ads that radiate serious anger/entitlement/delusion; this is pretty level-headed in comparison.
/r/MGTOW09/02/18 03:04 PM
6

Chances are that if this was told in an American K-8 class today, the genders would be reversed or it would be two brothers instead of a husband and wife.
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 04:49 PM
6

After googling "I go on dates for free meals and I'm not ashamed," this is what I found: http://thefinancialdiet.com/honest-qa-girl-goes-tinder-dates-free-dinners/ At the very least I give her credit for admitting this is about having some creature comforts in the middle of a stressful/broke life, and not spouting some high-minded nonsense like "this is what the patriarchy owes me." EDIT: It was mentioned in the comments that one should do something low-key like coffee or drinks for a first date…
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 04:04 PM
1

At least in Iran, there's something close enough to pump and dump, namely "sigheh" (temporary marriage) where you can marry and divorce someone for the purpose of fucking them within a day if not hours.
/r/MGTOW06/02/18 03:16 PM
1

My take on MGTOW---I don't presume to speak for anyone else on this sub---is that it's a natural reaction to the currently fashionable idea that women can follow whatever path they want without without stigma but men had better want to give them the white picket fence and 2.5 kids or be written off as human waste. By the way, I am firmly within the 35-60 age range, and most of us are pretty good at telling when a reasonably long post is by one of us; we are definitely not a marginal group here.
/r/MGTOW05/02/18 06:17 PM
7

Even if not all MGTOW are in monk mode, what comes to my mind as far as an ancient precedent are wandering holy men (who can still be found in India to this day); if anything, God is the main reason for them GTOW.
/r/MGTOW05/02/18 03:01 PM
1

I bet every last one of your married bros has zero problem with the wife doing "girls' night out."
/r/MGTOW05/02/18 03:16 AM
3

I think friends and family are a much bigger factor in this than Hollywood. Even in the absence of religious pressure, men who don't want to be married are often castigated by those close to them for "not wanting to step up/evolve."
/r/MGTOW05/02/18 02:42 AM
29

I doubt any Harvey Weinstein type would even let their dog fuck this woman.
/r/MGTOW01/02/18 05:03 PM
4

Not too long ago, there was a TA at the University of Iowa who mistakenly broadcast a nude video of herself (intended for her bf) to her lecture class---this is obviously worse than what you are talking about. Nonetheless, the university decided not to release her name, and as far as I could tell she kept her position.
/r/MGTOW01/02/18 04:47 PM
43

I'm sure there are exceptions, but most guys who can compete on a "level playing field" in the sense of having a lot of options probably don't want a poly relationship, if they even want a relationship at all. ...men are extremely lenient on both women's looks and characters. At least in the Western world most guys are shamed into turning a blind eye towards a woman's character. If they are not obviously the embodiment of pure evil, we are expected to bow in awe and reverence towards their godde…
/r/MGTOW31/01/18 08:16 PM
1

I couldn't agree more. Unfortunately, the author of the "think"piece seems to conflate business or community success involving multiple stakeholders with having control over the main lines of your own life. Even though there's overlap between these things, they are definitely not the same.
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 08:57 PM
3

Among "all the other reasons" is that not even the chaddest of chads can maintain "frame" indefinitely in the face of increasing womanly LTR demands piled on top of increasing work responsibilities.
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 03:55 PM
1

Sure---there have been posts about things like navigating women at the office and gym as an MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW30/01/18 02:11 AM
1

If you look through my post history you'll see that I haven't been soft/easy on female BS. Also, just as there are financial/retirement subs, there are also crypto/job advice/weightlifting/etc. subs, but I don't think MGTOW-oriented posts on these topics are necessarily wasteful---there's something to be said for talking about this stuff with guys who are on the same page as you in a very important way.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 06:26 PM
5

Even if they are not the majority, there are well-thought-out posts that deal with the practicalities of GYOW (for instance, an older gentleman who asked for thoughts on allocating his estate) and when I can, I support/upvote those as well as the posts on hobbies/lifestyle.
/r/MGTOW29/01/18 05:26 PM
1

My relationship to alcohol got much healthier once I started making my own cocktails at home. Aside from the obvious money-saving aspect, I savor the drink more slowly and am less inclined to get trashed, out of respect for the effort I put in.
/r/MGTOW27/01/18 08:49 PM
1

Richard Simmons is MGTOW. He once said, "I don't have a lot to offer one person, but I have a lot to offer a lot of people." This is not antisocial or parasitic by any stretch of the imagination. Whatever you think of him or his shtick, it's safe to say that despite not having an SO or any kids, he's done a lot more for society than the average married father.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 08:04 PM
1

The OP's post does point up that perhaps AWALT/EWALT should be amended to ASWALT/ESWALT.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 04:13 PM
2

If you look up the author of the SCUM manifesto (Valerie Solanas) you'll see that her upbringing was fucked to say the least.
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 04:11 PM
3

All my experiences with butch/masculine lesbians support the conclusion that normal straight guys can shoot the shit more-or-less unguardedly with them. A while back I saw this article debunking commonly held myths straight people have about lesbians, one of which is the man-hating myth; the author pointed out that it's pretty hard to hate someone who doesn't have something you want. 80% of straight dudes could never be any worse than buzzing flies to the average lesbian, and that probably goes …
/r/MGTOW24/01/18 03:28 PM
185

This is the first time I've heard of any men taking the higher suicide rate for males as a point of pride.
/r/MGTOW23/01/18 04:52 PM
2

This is almost certainly not written by an American woman--probably an African one. I can believe that quite a few of them cook and clean for their man, even if AWALT.
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 03:31 PM
15

Even with the prince and the castle, there's a good chance she'd be bitching about how the prince is not around enough, or doesn't stand up to his mother the Queen, or how the servants are incompetent...
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 03:22 PM
1

I don't know where you are, but at least in large coastal metro areas in the U.S. it's not out of the question to cultivate a "35+ singles/childless fam" over time.
/r/MGTOW18/01/18 03:29 AM
23

It's pretty fucked-up how a lot of American women are redpilled when assessing other women, but clip the wings of their sons by feeding them bluepill propaganda.
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 04:14 PM
8

It's interesting how MGTOW is substantially bigger (for now, anyway) in Japan than in most of East Asia, even though the demands of wives everywhere in Asia tend to run quite high. I think a big part of the reason is that they have been a first-world country for a while. Another part, maybe about as big, is the huge postwar change in the culture; the shame associated with a man not being the head of a family is less pronounced.
/r/MGTOW17/01/18 04:09 PM
1

I already make an effort to become more knowledgeable about topics that interest me, to become an interesting conversational partner and to develop skills that will be useful to me and others in the future... I think it's important to cultivate your inner life (e.g. interests in science, spirituality, and/or literature...whatever floats your boat) as much as possible, in addition to maintaining your physical health. Having a deep source of joy that neither age nor other people can take away from…
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 04:45 AM
1

I've seen very few Japanese women that I would consider "average-looking"--by and large, they're either fine as hell or ugly as hell.
/r/MGTOW16/01/18 01:12 AM
3

I doubt even Chad could pull that off---the slightest error in mood/timing/intonation would turn him into Ned.
/r/MGTOW15/01/18 07:21 PM
1

I certainly believe that most female teachers (at least in elementary schools) are family women, but I would also think a sizable minority is childfree and/or WGTOW, due in part to vast experience with overstressed and/or incompetent parents of young kids. Is this the case in your experience?
/r/MGTOW13/01/18 09:10 PM
1

As redpilling as it can be to chauffeur a bachelorette party, it doesn't compare to seeing so many women throw DV accusations around so casually.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 01:44 PM
1

Cosigning on the age ~35 thing. When I see women while walking around or riding public transportation, I think that even if they're easy on the eyes and/or basically okay human beings, I have no interest in giving away the soul-energy a relationship with them would probably drain from me.
/r/MGTOW11/01/18 06:06 AM
4

It's not as if her inbox was ever going to be flooded by those guys in the first place. Also, I doubt any of the men in the 50-55 range who are open to dating a 48-year-old are looking for sugar babies.
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 07:06 PM
3

Sadly, yes.
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 06:49 PM
8

The profile name is actually "realmendoexist", but yeah, the profile is at best a tiny improvement on the common "who am I kidding, none of you are man enough for me, fuck you all."
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 04:14 PM
2

Whatever it means to be "at peace with the wall," these women sound like the polar opposite.
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 02:56 PM
6

On a standard personals website, this would be unremarkable---but on a sugar baby website? Really?
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 02:44 PM
6

It's crazy how for the most part girls are both easier to get and harder to keep than most guys think.
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 04:51 AM
2

Tokyo Drifter.
/r/MGTOW09/01/18 03:51 AM
14

Although I'm all for educating oneself, alarm bells go off big-time when I hear anyone say "Educate yourself."
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 04:20 PM
1

Yup--I'll give her credit for not being super-unrealistic. Items 1 through 4, someone can have some control over.
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 04:00 PM
13

...if they were men, absolutely no man would put up with their shit, they would have no friends, no girlfriends, and they'd likely get their ass stomped for being assholes. I logged in just to upvote this. I've always said, show me a man who expects as much from another human being as the average woman expects from her significant other, and I'll show you a little boy. (Notice I didn't say average straight woman--even if lesbians have it easier, it's not by much.)
/r/MGTOW08/01/18 03:38 PM
3

On /r/childfree someone correctly pointed out that even on the occasions when you feel a little bummed about not having anyone around, it's nice to have the time and money to make yourself feel better.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 03:49 PM
1

I'm sorry to hear that. As mentioned downthread, you can learn a lot of those specific skills online without too much trouble, but I was referring more to the mental/emotional subtleties of manhood that are hard to pick up without real examples of men---the important things that would dismissed in a highly American-feminized setting.
/r/MGTOW07/01/18 12:35 AM
32

In her fantasy world, men can only access porn with the kind permission of a woman.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 08:54 PM
4

Virtually everyone has been "telepathically raped" by people they wouldn't fuck in a million years. I'm sure I've been in the spank bank of a few gay guys---it is what it is.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 08:53 PM
2

Yeah, but older women don't have nice skin and have what I call "spoiled milk smell". Which they try to cover up with "age-defying" creams and scented body lotions...YMMV
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 08:39 PM
7

I saw this episode of "Girls" where two male characters were commiserating, and one says to the other, "I'm telling you, either younger women or older women (presumably 40+). That's where it's at. They don't have all these bullshit expectations..."
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 05:14 PM
3

Any kind of male sexual satisfaction that doesn't involved kowtowing to women, etc.
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 03:12 AM
8

Clearly guys who are unimpressed by a sex box are insecure manchildren who can't handle a real woman. /s
/r/MGTOW06/01/18 03:10 AM
5

If a son of a single mom is VERY lucky, there will be an uncle or older cousin nearby who teaches him how to be a man. Unfortunately this is nowhere near typical.
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 08:06 PM
26

On some hip-hop radio station morning show, I heard the male co-host say something like "no man should be having sex unless he has $10,000 in the bank."
/r/MGTOW05/01/18 04:33 PM
2

Although I'm not a huge complainer myself, I find that the more time I spend around people who complain a lot (which I try not to do as a rule) the more I semiconsciously feel like I'm "too oblivious" or "getting off too easy," so I can imagine how potent it is to have the main authority figure in your life be a fountain of complaints. EDIT: Another thing I notice is that when older guys complain at length, it's usually about one or two pet issues (e.g. politics) and while this can be annoying, …
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 10:34 PM
9

I remember hearing about that; a big eye-opener for her was the extent to which signs of weakness are despised in men. I also recall her surprise at how much the guys on her bowling team thought about their wives and girlfriends, putting the lie to the standard trope that men don't give a shit about anything and just do whatever the hell they want.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 09:37 PM
6

Wow. For all she knows, the guy's dog died, his dad is in the hospital, or he lost a lucrative client at work... I'm all for people acknowledging their wants and needs, but part of that is realizing no one else is obligated to fulfill them. EDIT: If you scroll down to the comments, you'll find a well-considered unicorn response from "Sista."
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 09:15 PM
1

Given how competitive the industry is, a pornstar (regardless of gender) who doesn't enthusiastically consent to onscreen sex on a regular basis will flame out pretty fast.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 08:56 PM
2

And not just physical sexual assault---any physical manifestation of frustration boiling over, such as suicide.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 08:38 PM
3

The extra bit of classiness/femininity/accountability does make the standard not-too-psychotic AWALT nonsense more bearable, all other things being equal.
/r/MGTOW04/01/18 08:29 PM
58

My jaw dropped when I saw the last one about the 36yo gf forcing her bf to pay off her college loans. First of all we're talking gf, not wife. Secondly she's 36 not 24 (I'm referring to emotional maturity here moreso than the "wall"). I don't need to tell anyone here what would happen if the genders were reversed. A while back I checked out the red pill for women sub, and I recall this post where the OP had a post-wall roommate complaining that her BF wouldnt "man up" and pay off her debts. Migh…
/r/MGTOW03/01/18 03:27 AM
8

Also the whole "social minefield" aspect of holidays/gatherings that women experience is a huge fucking drag. One of my ex gfs would freak the fuck out about bringing 1 vs 2 bottles of soda. It's like, OK, don't show up empty-handed, pitch in, and don't be a dick; anything beyond that is unnecessary torture. This aunt or that cousin looked sort of like they didn't like that one thing I didn't say but somehow strongly implied over dinner? I honestly don't give a fuck.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 03:38 PM
2

Which they do to maintain the saintly aura of being "done wrong by."
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 01:55 PM
4

I would say "never without options for dick" rather than "never alone," but this is essentially correct, and has intensified due the internet and social media. In pre-internet days, there were only so many guys that could hit on a girl at one time, no matter how hot she was or how crowded the venue, and maybe on some nights/weeks none of them appealed to her. Now it's a totally different ball game.
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 03:17 AM
7

Generally speaking, if they're the ones who broke it off they've engineered everything in their minds to cut you off completely. Regardless of what goes through a guy's mind after a breakup, there's this idea that he's supposed to be hurt or not see/fuck anyone else for a month or so "out of respect." I remember once breaking it off with a girl and feeling that empty, bummed out feeling for about two days. After day 3, I was feeling pretty okay, and I thought, sure I should stay out of her life …
/r/MGTOW02/01/18 01:55 AM
3

There's been a bunch of articles lately focusing on highly educated/pedigreed career women quitting work to be stay-at-home moms; it's like they all have the "green light" now or something.
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 04:50 AM
4

It's a damn shame when you see guys with every outward indication of Chadness get shot down not even for being a total simp, but for being a "little too nice."
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 04:24 AM
12

A while back I saw this article in VICE written by a guy saying that man-caves represented an immature way of relating to women and needed to die. Clearly this guy found a unicorn, never lived with a woman, and/or was whipped as fuck. I don't see how else you could fail to grasp how much women expect shared space/time/waking-hours to be all about them.
/r/MGTOW31/12/17 04:14 AM
5

And if a refusal comes from someone who perceived to be from a lower league, it's like a 10x more emotional damage. This reminds me of a piece some woman wrote for Playboy not too long ago about Ed Sheeran having a "toxic masculinity problem" due to badmouthing ex-gfs in his songs and viewing women in an unacceptably low number of dimensions. Tons of male country singers, R&B singers, and rappers have done the same thing---but they apparently get a pass since they sound like they can fix your fl…
/r/MGTOW29/12/17 04:06 AM
2

Exactly. The amount of time the typical 18-30-year-old American woman is on her smartphone is about as long as what is considered a problematic amount of gaming time.
/r/MGTOW28/12/17 05:40 PM
1

I had this happen to me a long time ago--the girl broke up with me in the late summer/early fall, and I got a call from her late November/early December essentially saying she didn't want to be alone on xmas. At the time she was very pre-wall (about 21) but her family was on the other side of the world. I blew her off despite being somewhat sympathetic.
/r/MGTOW27/12/17 05:35 PM
1

When you read the first block consisting of "x% of y were children of single moms" it's easy to think that since most y are from low-income households, this is basically a poverty thing. The second, grayed block disabuses you of that right away.
/r/MGTOW24/12/17 03:40 AM
2

Tony even told her as much, something like "You knew the deal! You grew up around guys like my father!"
/r/MGTOW24/12/17 03:32 AM
19

As far as I know, Japan exemplifies "bots before thots" more than any other country at the moment.
/r/MGTOW22/12/17 03:58 PM
18

As a trivial corollary of your never marrying, you would never think of marrying them, which cannot stand as far as they are concerned. If that 80% claim was remotely realistic I doubt MGTOW forums would even exist.
/r/MGTOW22/12/17 02:27 PM
18

Although this has to be taken with a grain of salt, there is a lot of truth to it. I remember reading an anecdote from this Black STEM professor saying that at social gatherings with Black women in his own age group, he would specifically not do things like give them the right of way or hold the door open for them, lest they think he was too soft. Given his education level, we can safely assume these were not hoodrats.
/r/MGTOW21/12/17 09:11 PM
1

It's certainly possible to GYOW and have meaningful close-ish-range and medium-range relationships. Unfortunately there is this pervasive idea that all the things in your life--even your "good works"--are empty fluff if you don't have a significant other. Although women who GTOW have to deal with this also, there's this extra shaming edge where most men are concerned, due to the stigma of appearing to be unwilling to "step up."
/r/MGTOW21/12/17 02:46 PM
12

Men who voice stress/annoyance over anything = big babies who don't know how good they have it Men who quietly manage whatever stress they may have = leeches benefiting from women's "emotional labor"
/r/MGTOW18/12/17 05:42 PM
3

I can't see anything other than herd mentality that would lead otherwise sensible 30-somethings to think living a fulfilled life in which you are not sponging off anyone is "arrested development." For women there is the archetype of "cool single aunt" who has stood firm against years of pressure to settle down and pop out grandkids, and is happy to travel the world, have flings with set end periods and/or give their nieces and nephews exotic gifts. While "cool single uncles" are not unheard of, …
/r/MGTOW18/12/17 03:26 PM
2

Ralph Nader is MGTOW (check the 'Personality and character traits' part of his Wikipedia page, for instance).
/r/MGTOW13/12/17 03:49 AM
23

One of her replies: "I done it FOR THE BABY. I LITERALLY can't believe people think some antiquated notion of paternity is MORE IMPORTANT than that of the childs well being. It's MY BODY, why would ANYONE have the right to tell me who I can and can't have a child with? Unfortunately we haven't got to a point in society where we're socially progressive enough that men won't act like babies when it comes to paternity." Her body, her choice, sure--but it was also her choice to be married and not ev…
/r/MGTOW11/12/17 03:16 PM
7

Maintaining work/business frame may be challenging sometimes, but unlike relationship frame it is largely tested at superficial levels. Even if your boss has a difficult streak, it's a safe bet he/she is not relentlessly probing you for the slightest sign of weakness; they just want you to get the job done.
/r/MGTOW10/12/17 05:44 AM
31

I went and made my first ever apple crumble using fresh apples from the local market. Her response? She tried some, ran upstairs and stuck her finger down her throat to puke up my food. She also made sure I could hear her doing it. Dude...I can't even. Whatever the nature of your relationship was, whatever your flaws/deficiencies were/are, there is zero excuse for that shit.
/r/MGTOW05/12/17 05:04 PM
2

"Don't date her. She only wants your money - she is materialistic. Look at her dress - so revealing. She is a slut." I don't know how much of it is a Western thing, but there seems to be this unwritten rule that only women and rich men are allowed to evaluate women with high levels of rigor and scrutiny. Even if it's not wrong for non-rich men to be somewhat picky or dismiss a woman for doing something objectively fucked-up, they risk looking like disrespectful assholes for not viewing women thr…
/r/MGTOW05/12/17 02:53 PM
1

I notice this happening esp. with black dudes. On a regular basis I see good-looking ones with black women that are more than "slightly lower," in fact generally overweight, probably because they can be counted on to "hold it down." (FWIW I notice this somewhat less with Latino guys, and only rarely with White or Asian guys.)
/r/MGTOW05/12/17 12:29 AM
3

I think the key phrase is "truly desired". If said below-average guy cleans up well, has an upper-middle-class job and is not a complete trainwreck socially, a cute (almost certainly not "hot") woman may settle down with him. But that's not the same thing.
/r/MGTOW04/12/17 06:19 PM
5

And not just every straight man, either. Gay guys need to be on hand to validate them with male company and remind them how fabulous they are.
/r/MGTOW04/12/17 06:06 PM
11

Although I don't agree with the "constantly" this is mostly correct. The sad part is that this constant fear women have of a guy lashing out over being turned down would be less of an issue if it was widely accepted that a guy can be a "real man" regardless of how much pussy he gets. EDIT: In all fairness, I have heard women advocate for this decoupling of worth as a man from SMV. But nothing beyond rhetoric.
/r/MGTOW04/12/17 05:13 PM
1

The tons of mainstream news articles about nursing being one of the fast-growing professions deserve a lot of blame for the hordes of mouth-breathers (ghetto or otherwise) trying to get into nursing programs.
/r/MGTOW04/12/17 04:24 PM
1

I don't know about the rest of you, but when I clicked on the article it was accompanied by an ad for Jockey showing--of all things--a woman in a sports bra and panties. Go figure.
/r/MGTOW01/12/17 03:24 AM
20

Because a guy with thousands of dollars to burn who wants kids right away is going to make a beeline for someone with this kind of profile. Riiiiiiiight.
/r/MGTOW30/11/17 08:13 PM
3

The "Western" is not superfluous. Even taking AWALT into account, it seems that in some Asian countries , girls are generally raised with least as much emphasis on accountability and discipline as boys are in the West.
/r/MGTOW30/11/17 07:24 PM
8

Don’t say sorry. We were all simps and betas at one point. This is key. Aside from a tiny minority of douchelords, men are generally understanding of one another's frailties; even when we're compelled to say "dude, get it together," all is forgiven once dude gets it together. With most if not all women, a smallish interval of beta/simp behavior is enough to render a guy permanently flawed and/or unreliable.
/r/MGTOW30/11/17 03:24 PM
1

Genders reversed -> "MANCHILD!11!!!"
/r/MGTOW29/11/17 08:24 PM
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Even to the extent that she's right, the men who show up at strip clubs--weak or otherwise--are a mostly self-selecting bunch.
/r/MGTOW27/11/17 03:48 PM
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So I responded that this was too bad, I enjoyed her company. And > we might still be able to hang out on occasion but I would now > continue pursuing other romantic interests. Her response: "Wow! I can see I've hurt your LITTLE BOY feelings." Unless you misquoted yourself somehow, I don't see anything resembling butthurt in your reply (the "too bad" seems polite rather than pathetic) which makes her response even more fucked up.
/r/MGTOW20/11/17 08:02 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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