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Discussionbelachewhm/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:09 PM
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Hang in there dude. Things stay the same for a bit and then change all at once. It’ll happen when you least expect it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 10:13 PM
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I think the truth is that we all have to compromise a little bit to be happy. Whatever that means to you, but nobody can have it all. I personally don’t find women mentally developed/mature enough for me when theres such an extreme difference in life experience. I want a co-pilot, not a dependent.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 02:16 AM
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Man I sure wish young boys were given this kind of care, guidance, and advice. I would have loved to have had this when I was growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 04:23 PM
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Poor guy would have to deal with a cold/heartless girlfriend, and a bad communicator 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 03:46 PM
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You got called out on your solipsism and now you’re trying to backtrack. Your original response was what you truly think and believe—that the relationship revolves around you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 03:43 PM
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Then why didn’t you say that instead of “show interest in his involvement in my life”? That sounds like main character syndrome, aka solipsism. Like you think the relationship revolves around you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 03:40 PM
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You took “your responsibility” and turned it into a list of things the guys supposed to do lol. It’s just work off of you and on to the guy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 07:07 AM
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Love by itself is not enough, but also, 80-85% of what you want in someone SHOULD be enough. Somehow in our quest for happiness we forgot how to be pragmatic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 06:59 AM
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“Show interest in his involvement in my life” wth? You’d be a crappy girlfriend. How about you show interest in his life?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 01:43 AM
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How is that male solipsism?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 01:40 AM
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Agreed. Emotional intimacy and sexual intimacy are connected for men. One is usually followed by the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 02:33 AM
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If that’s what women pick when they’re in a position to be the choosers, then they’re garbage too
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 11:57 AM
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The point I was trying to make is that it’s not a huge accomplishment just doing these basic things. If women like it so much they should reward that behavior with who they choose to date/have sex with/marry/have kids with. Believe it or not, a lot of guys have their shit together.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 02:41 AM
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Daaamn, you went there haha
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 02:14 AM
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Yeah that’s a no for me dog. It’s either our story, or it’s gonna be my story.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 11:33 PM
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It seems like women want men to put in at least 50% of domestic activities, yet also bring in the vast majority of the finances to sustain both lifestyles
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 10:41 PM
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I lived my last girlfriend for a few years. I know what you’re talking about, and I think it is a real thing. Since I’m single atm, I have to do everything or else it doesn’t get done. When I was in a relationship I of course did chores, but I think there was always a silent negotiation going on about whose job it was to do what. We were both good teammates and were more than happy to do more than our fair share, so thankfully it was never an issue with us, but I do know what you mean. I think i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 09:45 PM
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I pay people to mow my lawn, and I coordinate with subcontractors to do other work like remodeling or landscaping that’s beyond my skillset/abilities. I would never assume that they’re poor or immigrants
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 09:39 PM
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I completely agree, especially about the meditative part. Like last night, I wrapped up some young trees in insulation to prepare for the incoming cold freeze. Was cold as balls, but felt good to move the body and do something, plus the end result was satisfying.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:45 PM
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I’m in the same position, making same money. Why would I hire a maid when I can clean myself? I can use that extra money for my hobbies, rest/relaxation, or just throw it in my savings. God gave me hands for a reason lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:43 PM
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Exactly. What’s the challenge here?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:39 PM
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Maybe that’s a hidden benefit of being a single dude. I run my own beautiful house, elderly mom’s house, have a dog, work full time, cook, clean, and party on the weekends. Not to mention hobbies like traveling, hunting, working out, and having an avid social live. I find I have enough time for everything plus a bit of time left over to relax. Either it’s not that hard or people are lazy/making is seem harder than it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:37 PM
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I’ve just seen it happen too many times. Kinda predictable at this point
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 03:45 AM
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You probably don’t have any sympathy for men who get cheated on. Or men who are awkward/scared to talk to the women they like. Or men who were bullied/picked on in their formative years. I very very very rarely see women who give a shit about anything that doesn’t directly benefit them. It’s just selfishness and cruelty. Y’all just sit back and fuck the chads and alphas, then complain when they abandon y’all once you’ve had their kids (And look for a simp to pay for/raise a child that isn’t thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 03:29 AM
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I think it’s funny that women cheat more between 18-29, and only stop cheating because their looks start declining past 29 or they need the man to stick around and help care for children. Within that age range of 18-29, women are BRUTAL with rejections, leaving relationships for the smallest infraction, and yes, cheating. I have no sympathy for women who get cheated on once they lose the precious leverage they had and used in their youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/24 02:55 AM
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I’ve read your response and tbh I need to think about it and digest it. And probably reread it a few more times over the next few days. I think you’ve given me a little hope, and have pointed the way out of this nightmare spiral I’ve been in. It’s possible that I’ve fallen too far into tribalism where it’s men vs. women, and that needs to be re-examined.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 07:33 AM
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I was loved by someone and was thrown away. Do you think we just come to these conclusions without experiencing it firsthand? If so, then you’re not giving us enough credit. People can be shitty, and that includes women. I would just argue that people are MORE inclined to be shitty when they’re in a position of power, and women definitely are when it comes to sex, relationships, marriage, and having children. That’s why men are checking out and refusing to play the game, because it’s rigged agai…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 05:10 AM
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It’s not that women have no honor or loyalty, they just have LESS honor and loyalty than men do in romantic relationships because they usually have more options available to them. This is a generalization, but I think it largely holds true
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 10:12 PM
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I dunno dude, the pain is pretty intense when all you have left are the memories.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 04:52 PM
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OP You need to make a distinction here between relationships and marriage. I’m sure many men don’t want to get married because they’ve been scarred in previous relationships and see the potential of that happening again with more serious consequences if they get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 06:58 AM
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I have not, but I see people talk about getting divorced all the time and a big reason is usually “I fell out of love”
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 04:09 AM
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Why are marriages “supposed” to be about love? Lots of marriages since the beginning of time have been based on things other than love. I’d say marrying just because of love is a bad idea because that feeling of love comes and goes, which is why we have so many divorces
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 02:12 AM
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Bingo!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/23 01:24 AM
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Nice and rational. Wrong sub lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:45 AM
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Or stop playing the game. MGTOW!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 06:05 AM
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Great analogy, and you can take it further! Women start out with a bunch of drinkable water on their boat that they go through, and when it’s all gone they’re left with the saltwater. For men, hitting your financial, emotional, and intellectual peak when you’re older is like finding an oasis in the desert after years of wandering and trying to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:49 AM
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***You can't be loved selflessly by a woman in a romantic context There are other forms of love in this world that are still accessible to you, and completely wonderful and worth experiencing
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:34 AM
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I think a lot of men start out with the capacity to love and be good human beings, but life kinda beats it out of you. Especially as you get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/23 09:24 PM
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Common sense. By the time we get old we’ve had a lifetimes worth of practice being lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:21 PM
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Man are far better equipped to survive being old and alone than women are
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/23 07:07 PM
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I fail to see what that has to do with my point. Nobody cares about MEN! So we should remove our care from the world as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:10 PM
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I don’t think this is true. I think women are used to just existing and people being extra nice to them because they’re women. Nobody cares about men though, and I say men should stop caring about anybody in return. We should only care about ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:05 PM
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If I’m on a date I’m expected to hold the door open, open her car door, blah blah blah. Why is there no female equivalent for being a gentlemen? It’s always one sided, and I’m tired of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:38 PM
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If I see a guy carrying a bunch of stuff or a disabled guy then sure, but another man has his own arms. They work perfectly well. I’m sure he’ll have no trouble opening a door.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:36 PM
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Women don’t hold the door for men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:35 PM
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USA. It’s very rare that I see women hold doors open for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:34 PM
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Your shaming tactics don’t work here. You’re not entitled to anyone holding the door open for you. You’re not special. I’m not going to go out of my way to help a stranger, regardless of your gender. That’s how men treat each other. That’s what y’all wanted so there you go. Use your brain. You can’t have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:30 PM
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I used to hold the door open for women and the elderly. Now I don’t. Being treated like a human being means losing that and all other special privileges. Everyone gets the same treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:26 PM
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Hold the door open for yourself. Or better yet, hold the door open for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 02:21 PM
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You’re a special person then and I hope your friends realize how lucky they are to have you. As far as your last part….Is kindness NOT an unspoken contract to get romance and sex? That’s awfully confusing because kindness is usually a prerequisite to both of those things, at least in terms of a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 03:00 AM
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen a woman go out of her way to be a good “friend” like what you’re claiming. It’s usually men going out of their way for men or women, or women going out of their way for women. Kindness does not flow from women to men very easily. Contempt, yes. Kindness, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 02:41 AM
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What you’re describing will probably happen eventually (if we as a society don’t destroy ourselves first) but I think it’s more than a few decades away. I’d say by 2100 we’ll have full on androids walking around, but that’s too far out to really pontificate about
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 01:48 AM
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TRP has some good points though. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, as the saying goes. Trying to understand the viewpoint of someone you disagree with, without fully adopting their position is peak intelligence, and also helps you empathize more. Heck it might even open you up to lines of thought you had never considered. This us vs. them mindset is a long road to nowhere, I’m afraid. Sadly most of us are already ruined 😂😔
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 05:49 AM
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You split that first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/23 02:39 AM
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Nobody said anything about catering to boundaries, but they should definitely be respected
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 03:51 PM
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OP, you’re right. Women have the right to treat men differently for any reason they want. But women aren’t dating men in a vacuum. Men have the right to notice the disparity in treatment and adjust accordingly as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/23 11:55 AM
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Any requirement she has for you that she didn’t have for guys in the past is a hoop she’s making you jump through.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 10:12 PM
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It’s also a rational strategy for men to do whatever it takes to spread their seed into as many women as possible and abandon them afterwards, always moving on to the next. It maximizes the chances of their genes being carried on into the future. Doesn’t make it right, but it’s rational. I guess that’s why they say all is fair in love and war.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:54 PM
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But you understand there are other people in the world besides you, me, and him, right? And some of those people have encountered this type of scenario before.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:41 PM
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I think romantic love can be genuine, but I don’t think it’s ever free from conditions, even though we do our best in relationships to convince the other person that it’s unconditional. I also don’t think it’s a state of being, as in “being in love”. I think it’s a feeling that comes and goes like happiness, anger, or fear.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:39 PM
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The concept of body count is stupid. That being said, when a woman makes a man jump through a lot more hoops for her affection than another man, the only logical conclusion we can draw is that she values the man that got it easier much more. That already is a very bad place to start in terms of having a relationship. It subconsciously says to the man “I am more valuable than you, and so was he”.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:34 PM
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Just because you want to be on the other side of the argument doesn’t mean other peoples experiences aren’t true or valid. If many people are saying it then maybe it’s not a caricature but actually a common phenomenon.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 08:21 PM
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I guess that’s the problem — Kindness doesn’t align with my values and who I am anymore. Maybe it did when I was younger, but the world has taught me time and time again that it’s a cold dark place where the strong survive and the weak are taken advantage of. You can be strong or you can be kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 03:08 PM
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I want to make this kind of transformation but I’m afraid I’ll still end up alone. I’m afraid even me at my kindest still won’t be good enough. It’s hurts extra bad when you’re abandoned or rejected when you’re being kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/23 02:28 PM
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Very interesting experience, thanks for sharing! My heritage east African, but I was born in the states. People tell me all the time I look mixed race. I consider myself above average in looks, and have primarily dated white and asian women. Conventionally attractive African American women don’t really like me that much, other East African women have an aversion to dating their own kind, and to everyone else I’m kinda like an oddity. It’s a very frustrating experience because I think I’m attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 12:37 PM
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I agree, I think we over-inflate the importance of height and under-inflate the importance of other things like race, proximity/opportunity to interact, and social network
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 01:34 AM
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You posted this in r/purplepilldebate, so I assumed it was up for debate. Also not sure what you’re trying to prove by the age thing. I’m older than you and I have experienced women putting me in the friend category and wanting me to stay there my whole life. They almost get angry when I try to leave my designated area. This is a form of gaslighting used to try to control men, and the best strategy against it is not not engage in friendships with women who you wanted a romantic relationship with…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 02:05 PM
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No, being put in the friend-zone. I tell women I’m interested in that I’m looking for a romantic relationship up front. If they try to make me their friend first I’m out. You see, in your scenario only the woman gets what she wants. You conveniently forget that there’s a whole other person in the dynamic that has their own set of wants and needs as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 01:57 PM
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This is one thing I filter out for
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/23 01:52 PM
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Why should they? In fact, why don’t you handle it yourself. Equality right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 01:00 AM
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No I’m not
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 11:03 PM
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What if a man wore lifts to add a few inches to his height. Would that be lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:54 PM
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Man’s attraction starts high, woman’s attraction starts low. Over time the man’s attraction dips while the woman’s attraction rises. Man’s attraction and woman’s attraction meets in the middle, in what becomes a healthy loving relationship, with equality for all. Lust turns into love and trust and commitment. This is how it works, and isn’t it a good thing? Both sides gotta put some skin in the game to play.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:24 PM
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So we are in agreement. Men and women both lie in relationships. Glad we see eye to eye on that!
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 08:17 PM
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Yeah, y’all just whip it out whenever it conveniently benefits you. I’m not saying it’s wrong, I’m saying in the context of dating both sides do things to deceive the other in order to get what they want. That’s an objective fact, but women like to gaslight and pretend to be innocent in this regard. Women lie about innocuous things i.e. wearing makeup and heels, and on the other end of the spectrum lie about severe things like cheating and children’s paternity. And all kinds of things in between…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:18 PM
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Men generally want women their height or shorter. Also their weight or lighter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 07:08 PM
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Like half of what women do is lying. Makeup, heels, push up bras, hair extensions. All lying
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 01:26 PM
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Why did you come on here asking for other people’s perspective just to argue with every single one?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 11:48 PM
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OP this is called dating. Everyone is lying to each other all the time to get as much as they can get while giving away as little as possible. Stop acting like you’re better than that, because I guarantee you do it too. And no it’s not morally wrong — All is fair in love and war. You, and most women, are just mad that men are starting to adapt to the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:53 PM
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Redpill is to teach men how to handle women like you. You sound like the absolute worst
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:51 PM
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I think the problem is that most little boys aren’t shown love properly by their parents. Their emotional needs go unmet, and that starts their entire psychological development off on the wrong foot. Add to that the usual trauma that happens along the way in life (getting abused at home and no one cares, bullied at school and no one cares, rejected by girls and no one cares, etc.) A lot of times when things like these happen to girls the entire village comes to help them, or at least let them kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/23 10:41 PM
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You might be an outlier, but most women make less money than men. And even those that make more still want a man to provide because they’re selfish and money hungry.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 10:14 PM
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Because an AI boyfriend isn’t gonna pay for your shit. Take you on fancy or expensive dates, or bring in an income to support your family or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:14 PM
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This is why lying is the #1 red flag I look for in people. People who think lying is okay when it benefits them are not worth my time or energy. I also do my very to always be honest and tell the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:20 PM
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“way more to women than men” Don’t make a straw man argument
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 10:29 PM
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That is what’s happening. There’s data to back it up
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/23 10:25 PM
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She wasn’t complaining when it was benefiting her. She was in “Love”. I grew up watching that TV show and honestly, these women aren’t victims. They were willing participants.
/r/MensRights27/08/23 07:07 PM
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You’re giving your perspective of one situation as if it’s the rule. Divorce statistics prove that women are much more likely to leave then men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 10:43 PM
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She loves him conditionally and temporarily. As long as the conditions are acceptable the love is ON. When the conditions become unacceptable for her the love turns OFF. I guess that’s fine when you’re dating, but I laugh whenever I hear a woman taking wedding vows. The “average” men in those relationships created a situation where the conditions were acceptable, but it’s not permanent. She’s not his, it’s just his turn.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/23 08:28 PM
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Sounds like your brain is very smooth.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 12:06 PM
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Women offer you the opportunity to be one of her many suitors, of course! And if you’re the one she fancies the most, you’ll have an opportunity to be her financial slave until the day you die! Be careful not to mess up at any point along the way, or she’ll leave you and most likely take half of what you own. What a privilege! All joking aside, it’s a dumb deal for anyone who can think logically and can control their sexual urges. The only way to win this game is to not play. Check out of the da…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 03:09 AM
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Romantic relationships ARE transactional
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/23 02:58 AM
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Be the right race Be well endowed
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/23 02:15 PM
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It’s not “so many men”, it’s the men that women have chosen to have sex with. That’s a very important distinction. Basically, if a bunch of women all want to have sex with a guy, then that guy doesn’t have to care as much about any particular woman’s satisfaction. So what this question is really asking is “Why do so many desirable men that have a lot of options not care about women’s satisfaction?”
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 08:36 PM
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You’re just saying that because you want to avoid the fear of rejection. It makes total sense for women to make the first move. Also love is a series of actions you make on a continuous basis. It’s a choice, not a feeling.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 11:44 PM
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Matthew Hussey have some great advice about this. If you see a guy you like and want him to make a move, don’t be easy, but in the first 5 seconds…be easy. Basically learn how to give a guy an opening. Maintain eye contact. Smile. Maybe initiate some small talk. Don’t just sit there looking cute and wonder why nobody is coming over to talk to you. Let him know it’s okay to come over and make a move. Cold approaching a girl is really really hard and intimidating, but if you do your part right and…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 03:11 AM
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I am, just don’t know how to fix it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 05:10 PM
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It’s like 70% gym
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 12:15 AM
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It’s men that AREN’T having casual sex that are criticizing women. Men who ARE having casual sex don’t usually chime in because they’re too busy enjoying their sex filled lives
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:17 PM
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Well first of all it’s a little dehumanizing. A man isn’t just an “option” like a food item on a menu. We’re people just like you. We shouldn’t be reduced to just being an option for a woman to choose or reject. Second of all, the idea that you’re the only choosers in the equation is crazy. I know that women actually believe this and act like this is the case, but it’s not true. It would be a more accurate analogy if it was a restaurant where the food can decide if wants to be eaten by you as we…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 06:49 PM
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This is probably correct but goddamn is it entitled
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 01:30 PM
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Yeah I agree, and that’s obviously not right. Some parts of RP make sense and other parts are a complete overreaction imo
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 07:15 PM
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Being academically gifted is not the only indication of intelligence. Hell, even IQ isn’t a perfect indicator of that. In reality, intelligence and general cognitive ability is difficult to measure and compare between individuals. In terms of things like dominance hierarchies you have to look at multiple indicators to get a rough estimate of someone’s intelligence. Things like IQ, Income, Fitness, Social Success, etc. can all work as indicators, which is exactly why women find those traits desir…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 05:07 PM
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Respect is earned. You sound entitled or maybe you think you should be respected just because you’re a woman. Treat people with respect and you’ll get it back
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 09:25 PM
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Tell them the truth even if it’s not what they wanna hear
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 05:26 PM
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I appreciate the consistency in your beliefs. If I may ask, how do you approach who should pay on dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 02:21 PM
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It’s not a victim mentality. Those facts are incongruent with each other. If you get to have sex with multiple people without committing to anyone, so do I
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:27 PM
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It’s 3 months for some guys while you’re having sex with other guys. And I’m expected not to have sex with anyone else. That’s stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:22 PM
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People take precautions to avoid being raped, right? - Sharing your location with friends when on a date - sending the address to friends if going back to someone’s house - being careful where you go especially at night - carrying pepper spray/mace/taser - etc All valid precautions because yes, some men (and women) are rapists and it’s better to be safe than sorry. So what’s wrong with men taking precautions against being victims of paternity fraud? Why is it only ok for women to protect themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 05:07 AM
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As a man I am already demonized and accused of stuff already, so that’s nothing new. Also, don’t care. If your argument is “yeah women sometimes lie about paternity, but men do bad stuff too so we shouldn’t try to correct that problem” then that’s a ridiculous argument. If a problem can be easily avoided we, as a society, should try to avoid it. Just like with seatbelts in cars.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 04:31 AM
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Yes, because they are women and women have been shown to do this sometimes. Obviously it wouldn’t happen in gay or trans relationships. They can’t give birth. You didn’t prove anything with that comment genius
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 04:25 AM
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Based on the fact that it DOES happen. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1733152/ “This paper examines published evidence on levels of PD and its public health consequences. Rates vary between studies from 0.8% to 30% (median 3.7%, n = 17).” 3.7%, which is about 1 in 27. The odds of dying in a car accident is 1 in 93 (~1.08%), and seatbelts are mandated by law. https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/ If you act like it doesn’t happen then you…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 04:23 AM
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That women are in the wrong here and that is trashy behavior. I wouldn’t call it trashy, but it’s messed up to want to deny men this because it hurts their feelings. I’d rather their feelings be hurt a little than a man be tricked into paying for a child that isn’t his. Just make it part of the standard battery of tests that all babies get and be done with it. Women fighting tooth and nail against this says something to anyone whose paying attention. It hints at the possibility that a LOT of men…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 03:01 AM
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It’s not stupid. It’s smart and prudent for a man to ask for this, as he has no other way to know for sure that a child is his. The reality is that women do sometimes cheat and try to pass children off onto men who aren’t the father. It happens. Trying to deny that is not congruent with reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 02:57 AM
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You have stated no facts or statistics, only your personal opinion. I didn’t bring up my personal opinion on a woman getting an abortion as that wasn’t the point of my comment. The point was that women should get commitment and marriage from a man before having a child with him. And no that doesn’t include rape, but that’s an outlier isn’t it? The vast vast vast majority of unwanted pregnancies are not due to rape situations. They’re due to people being irresponsible and having sex without prote…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 05:04 PM
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Tell that to the man-hating feminists on this sub. Tell that to the psychos over at r/fds. Women are not held to that same standard of kindness and empathy, and that golden rule shit doesn’t work when only some people are playing by the rules. The reality is that when it comes to dating, women see and treat men as disposable objects. And men are noticing and starting to respond in kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 04:06 PM
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Insightful comment. I guess when that same empathy isn’t returned when you need it, it ends up feeling wasted and then you grow bitter and refuse to offer up any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 02:53 PM
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Relationships where one person is way more attractive than the other is a thing, but it’s not the majority. I’d say maybe 80/20
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 02:50 PM
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Not oblivious. Just refuse to care about women if I’m going to perpetually be hated and demonized. It’s hard for people to care when they have no skin in the game. With modern dating going the way it’s going, and the consolidation of resources and sex going to an increasingly smaller and smaller pool of men, can you blame the other 90% of men for checking out?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 03:02 AM
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Yeah that’s straw-man argument. You’re trying to argue against a point I didn’t make (but you’re trying to make it seem like I did) I said some women go from being invisible in their youth to having constant attention thrown at them as adults. You tried to reframe my comment as if I was referring to that happening instantly right at puberty which is not what I was saying and you know it. I was trying to illustrate the difference between the experiences of young boys and girls going into adulthoo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 02:51 AM
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You mean SOME women go from being normal/invisible in their youth to being sexually desired and having options. Seems like a good problem to have. Most men never experience this. It’s just being lonely/ignored in your youth and that continuing throughout your entire life. Excuse me if I don’t have any sympathy for the most privileged class of society (attractive women). For the women that don’t get this glow up, congratulations! You get the same treatment as us men. Equality wins!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 10:58 PM
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Getting no female attention is worse. If you get attention from unattractive women at least you can ignore it. Also, it can provide some level of self confidence and validation about your looks. Additionally, to get attention from unattractive women you need to be at least somewhat attractive. Women always want better than them. For a man, that could potentially become a base to build off of to become even more attractive in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 10:47 PM
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They don’t make a nuisance of themselves according to OP (btw, did you even read the original post?) What she witnessed was a man being very successful using PUA tactics in his interaction. She “would have been okay if he fell flat on his face” but he didn’t, so she got mad. I’m trying to figure out why. Like, wouldn’t it be a good thing that a guy learned the confidence and communication skills to be successful with a woman? How is that being a nuisance?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 09:33 PM
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I completely agree that your approach is a better and all around healthier way to do it. I’m currently on this path myself. PUA/Red Pill seems to be “fake it till you make it”. While it is a valid strategy for some things in life, and bound to work in dating for some guys, it does indeed come at the costs that you’ve described.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 09:25 PM
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And yet that is what this entire thread is about, and the discussion OP initiated. People (including women) vilifying PUA. I was just asking the deeper question of why? Why does the idea of otherwise sexually unsuccessful men taking a short and becoming successful make women so angry? Like I said previously, confronting that question is going to be uncomfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 09:19 PM
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That doesn’t even remotely answer my question. I find it interesting that you turned an insightful discussion into an opportunity to bash men. I think that by learning PUA skills, men become better conversationalists. They learn how to engage with women in a way that women are receptive to, and become more successful with women (as OP described) My question was WHY this infuriates women so much? The answer, I think, is that women (consciously or subconsciously) want men to be at as much of a dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 08:00 PM
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I embrace differences and a variety of viewpoints. I’m not looking for an ideological copy of myself. Also I’m very centrist This would be an issue, but to be honest most women act emotionally immature within the context of a romantic relationship with a man. Kinda par for the course If she’s willing to learn from me I can teach her/help her course correct. I’m good with money (both making it and investing it) Don’t care. To each their own. As long as she’s happy I’d be happy. Also I could learn…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 07:49 PM
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Good on you for acknowledging an ugly truth! Especially one that most women would prefer to avoid. I think the next question is why? Why does the idea of men learning PUA skills to become more successful irritate, repulse, and make women so angry? I think the answer to that question will be uncomfortable
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 06:52 PM
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There it is. Finally somebody said it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 04:58 PM
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You’re taking it to the extreme. Also, nobody said anything about reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies to 0%. That’s a straw man argument you’re making to take away from the original argument. If the number of unwanted pregnancies just dropped in half, that would be a massive improvement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 04:56 PM
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Stop having children with men you’re not married to. That would solve a lot of problems
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 07:09 AM
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When you do it hundreds of times throughout your life, it adds up. And it’s not just dinner. It’s any activity that requires money and the girl expects the guy to pay. Not to mention when a woman takes half a man’s assets in divorce. and puts him on child support/alimony if there’s a child. Also paternity fraud — tricking men into paying for children that aren’t theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 02:24 PM
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It risks financial devastation
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 02:20 PM
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Thank you for sharing your story. Reading it makes me feel like its possible to keep going and keep fighting. I know what you mean when you say something broke inside of you that doesn’t heal. Thank you again.
/r/MensRights12/04/23 05:02 AM
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Sounds like the majority of the financial contributions have been from him to you, as it usually is in heterosexual relationships. And while you didn’t require an expensive ring, you accepted it and I’m sure you were happy with it. I just find it funny that women always benefit financially from relationships and then claim “we’re equal partners! My money is important too! Lookie at what I’m contributing” I get that people bring different things to a relationship. We don’t all have to bring money…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:03 PM
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It’s not the norm. I saw from your post history that you were proposed to. Must have cost him a pretty penny. Can you think of anything you’ve spent on for him or the relationship that cost as much as that engagement ring?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 08:43 PM
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Or leave the US haha
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:53 PM
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It’s a market. It’s controlled by supply and demand
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:47 PM
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Men pay for: - Dates - Valentine’s Day gifts - Birthday gifts - Vacations/trips - Rent (if living together) - Engagement rings - Weddings - House Down Payment - etc…. I have personally paid for most of these things (excluding engagement ring and wedding). I can think of a few times where I was taken on a date by a long term girlfriend, but besides that the money has only ever flowed in one direction. So excuse me if I don’t give a damn how much money a woman makes. I’m too focused on making my o…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:39 PM
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Why is it assumed that women are the only choosers when it comes to sex, dating, and relationships? This way of thinking is entirely flawed. There are tons of women who would love to date me that are below my standards. Just like there are women out there whose standards I cannot meet. It’s a two way street. To think women have some magical power or something that lets them be the choosers and men be the chosen is completely ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:37 PM
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America
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:30 PM
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I’ll believe it when I see it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:30 PM
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I don’t want either of those things. I want someone who will be a good partner to me in good faith. Not someone just trying to extract resources and at the same time claim they’re a bad bitch or whatever. Run that scam on someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 06:03 PM
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My preference is to date someone who isn’t a walking contradiction
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:54 PM
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I don’t know how you got that from my comment. Seems like you’re making a straw-man argument instead of actually addressing what I said. I said women don’t usually share their resources in the dating process, so why should I care what career she has or how much money she makes? I mean I’d be happy for a woman that’s doing well—definitely not hating on someone’s personal success. It just doesn’t get factored into the equation in terms of a relationship because again, it doesn’t go towards the rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:42 PM
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Women don’t wanna share financial responsibility, so what does it matter to me what she does or what her career is? I have to pay for everything anyways. And if you don’t believe me, ask yourself whose supposed to pay for stuff throughout the dating process. Usually the man. I’d rather put those chips into finding someone that’s nice to me and attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 05:19 PM
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I agree everyone has a right to have their preferences. I’m just saying it’s odd that women can’t handle men not wanting them for something you can change like physical fitness. I’m just pointing out the discrepancy. Men have to deal with women’s preferences about things that cannot be changed. A guy could have a heart of gold but would be overlooked by women because he’s the wrong race or too short. Also I noticed you said you’ve dated men your height and taller. Why have you never dated someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 10:09 PM
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This is opposite of personal experience and mountains of data that show the opposite. Women care very much about height.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 03:38 PM
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Kinda like height, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 01:48 PM
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I do train. I see men and women in the gym of all shapes and sizes and races putting in work. It’s very encouraging to see. It just takes motivation
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 02:53 AM
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Men aren’t telling y’all that. Men like natural women. You’re telling each other that. Also OP said to go to the gym. You can get a big ass and a skinny waist in the gym, but a lot of women are too lazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 01:56 AM
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I work from home, but if I didn’t I would use the money from my job to pay for child care. Adulting is so hard, isn’t it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 05:32 PM
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Or, you know, 50/50 with no alimony. Get a job like everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 05:01 PM
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It would incentivize you to get a job and make your own money instead of leeching off of a man for everything. If you knew you couldn’t divorce a man and take half his life savings, you would be incentivized to build/save/invest on your own. I’ll believe it when I see it. Most of the relationships around me are men making significantly more than women, and not a single prenuptial agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 04:49 PM
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This is laughable. If this were true most women would be in favor of signing prenups. They’re not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:35 PM
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More financially risky for the men though
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:10 PM
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You know what helps build up resources? Not getting married. Not paying for an engagement ring, wedding, honeymoon, and eventual divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/23 03:09 PM
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Take yourselves out on dates boyos. You’ll be much happier in the long run. MGTOW!!
/r/MensRights31/03/23 05:43 AM
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I agree that would be an immature way to handle both relationships and friendships
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/23 02:53 AM
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I haven’t been married so I don’t know. My parents and people from older generations seemed to share things well. Also I’ve had girlfriends in the past where we’ve shared resources well too. It seems to either be a more recent development, or I’ve just entered that point in my life (early 30s) where women see me first and foremost for what I can provide financially. I don’t know how women can justify in their heads that their careers and money should be important to men, but also not want to pay…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 10:00 PM
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I understand that, but she’s made that decision to herself in her head. I’m not a mind reader, so how am I supposed to know that unless I shoot my shot and get rejected? (Which I have done) And just as often than not I have not been rejected. Like 50/50. So I’m back to I’d might as well try because there’s literally nothing to lose except a little bit of momentary discomfort if rejected
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 09:09 PM
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You should have shot your shot early on instead of waiting for 10 years right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 09:07 PM
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I’m saying people shouldn’t be afraid or be shamed into not trying to shoot their shot, even if it’s with a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 09:06 PM
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I agree with you 🙂 I think a big thing holding people back sometimes is the willingness to try and fail. I don’t wanna perpetuate an attitude of giving up before ever trying
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:43 PM
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You’re moving the goalpost from the original argument. Of course people should accept rejection with humility and respect. I’ve had to do that many many times.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:41 PM
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When men say we don’t care about a woman’s career, what we mean is it doesn’t factor into our decision on whether to take her seriously as a partner/potential wife/potential mother. I personally don’t care if you’re a doctor or a waitress. You’re income earning ability does not factor into that decision for me at all. As a man I have been conditioned my entire life to be a provider and to make money. It would be nice to have someone to share the financial load with, but it’s not necessary. What …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:32 PM
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That’s 1000% what I’m talking about. Nobody said you should be tactless about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:23 PM
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Seems like you just want women to have and maintain the right of first refusal, and coming at it from a friendship perspective challenges that, so you’re advocating against it. That’s what logic tells me anyways
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 08:01 PM
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I’m not saying to accept friendship in lieu of a relationship. I’m saying what if I had an actual friend who was a female and there were no feelings from my side….and then one day I did start to have feelings. The feelings weren’t there initially but they grew over time. In that scenario it’s not like I tricked her into a friendship and waited to make my move. But feelings can and do change over time, just as people grow and change. I’m that scenario, why should I be discouraged from exploring t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:58 PM
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But sometimes feelings can develop after a friendship has already formed, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 07:46 PM
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That’s under the assumption she doesn’t share the feelings. She very well could, but if I don’t shoot my shot I’d never know. Are you saying most likely a woman won’t reciprocate those feelings because we had a friendship first?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:51 PM
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If I was interested in a friend who was single and available, I would go for it. Seems silly not to
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:07 PM
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Why does that make women angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 05:13 PM
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Men in general have earned more money than women. There are many reasons for that including the fact that women usually have to take time off of work to have/care for children, but the point still stands. That statement is true regardless if you wanna debate the gender pay gap or not. And yes women are more enrolled in college NOW, but that wasn’t always the case, and doesn’t translate 1:1 with making more money. That does however translate to owning more student loan debt. —— I meant more genui…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 06:08 AM
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You enjoy privileges of being a man too. You’ll be stronger than almost every woman you’ll meet in your life Your earning potential is higher You can live a much safer existence. People generally wont target you or follow you home or prey on because of your ability to defend yourself People aren’t always trying to pretend to like you/be your friend just to have sex with you, so your relationships can be more genuine No periods or menopause to deal with You don’t have to birth a child and potenti…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 09:37 PM
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You basically just explained blackpill philosophy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 01:10 AM
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It’s not a question of me “letting” them do anything. People can and will do as they wish. I’m just in favor of men asserting their right to double check their paternity of a child before taking responsibility for said child. No matter how much trust is involved. No matter how much love is involved — I would still want to double check. Women can’t empathize with this because you have 100% certainty that the child is theirs. Men do not. Thanks to modern medicine we have the tools to check and ver…
/r/MensRights24/03/23 11:30 PM
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I’m just saying that a really frustrating part of being with a women is how they fall out of “love” so quickly. You think you’ve found the one, but their emotions are fickle and love as a feeling comes and goes
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 02:07 PM
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You’ve been with her for like a year. Just wait until the day she wakes up and is like “I’m not happy anymore” out of nowhere. Then you’ll know what we go through.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 03:28 AM
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I think most men want a woman who has a lower N count than they have
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 03:22 PM
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If you bring it up at the outset the woman will most likely get offended and leave. And move on to play this trick on the next unsuspecting man.
/r/MensRights20/03/23 05:28 AM
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We need to organize and lobby to change the laws. And put real money behind it.
/r/MensRights20/03/23 05:27 AM
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It’s funny how the women are chiming in on this one trying to convince guys NOT to get a paternity test in secret. Anything but that! The female responses are like smoking guns. Mostly along the lines of “If you trust your partner you’ll just talk about it before getting pregnant”. I could just as easily say “If the baby is his what’s the harm in verifying?” It seems to me like women don’t want to give up that reproductive advantage of being able to trick men into raising and paying for children…
/r/MensRights20/03/23 05:02 AM
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If the child is the man’s, what’s the problem? It’s just trust but verify
/r/MensRights20/03/23 04:58 AM
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And yet it happens ALL the time. Women get pregnant by one guy and trick another guy into raising the child.
/r/MensRights20/03/23 04:56 AM
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As opposed to what? All the sex I’m getting now? Lol you can’t take away something I wasn’t getting in the first place.
/r/MensRights20/03/23 12:19 AM
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The couples you would see at the local Walmart doesn’t negate what I said. If you can improve your weight, income, personality, or clothes/style/grooming, you should try. At least those things are not fixed and they are changeable. You cannot improve your height no matter how much you try (unless you get height lengthening surgery or something, but that’s an extreme solution). You also cannot change your race. So whatever your situation in life, why not try to improve the things you actually can…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 09:16 PM
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I agree the beauty standards towards things you can’t control are unreasonable (height and race are the big one here) Beauty standards towards things you CAN control is fair game. Weight, body fat, style, hygiene/personal grooming. Even income. Those are all things that you can change if you so desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 05:31 PM
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There is a component of looks that you can control, and a component that you can’t. That’s the idea behind looksmaxximg
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/23 05:13 PM
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People don’t need to be fat either
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 09:09 PM
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You can refuse to date anyone you want for any reason you want. At any time. Why do so many people have a hard time understanding this?
/r/MensRights18/03/23 05:32 PM
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Stop trying to make being fat cool. It’s never gonna be cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 05:11 PM
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Yet even with all of the economic freedoms afforded to women, women still generally don’t want a man unless he makes as much or more than her. And women generally don’t want to be equal financial partners in relationship. Case in point: men have to pay for first dates
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 02:43 AM
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Mr. Rodgers
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/23 01:37 PM
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The hope that you can actually work hard, do the right thing, and have a good life because of it is dying in young men. They are giving up, and I don’t blame them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 11:24 PM
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That’s not what OP said. Nobody is asking women to pay for everything and treat men like grown babies. You’re arguing against a position that OP didn’t take. Also you sound like a radicalized feminazi that thinks very little of men (I feel bad for your husband)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/23 07:20 PM
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It really comes down to if you want children and if so, how many. If you have enough children the math works out that it’s more cost effective for the lower earning person to be a stay at home parent. From a practicality standpoint, if you have children I think I’d would be optimal for one person to work and one person to stay at home for the first few years, and then go part time, then back to full time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 07:27 AM
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He literally did not mention women’s bodies AT ALL in his post. Why are you making it seem like he said something he didn’t? Do you see/hear things that aren’t there too?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 05:59 AM
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For me, dating women is an exercise in mental illness at best. I hate that my testosterone and desire to procreate compels me to keep trying. I generally don’t see traits in attractive women that I usually admire in people as a whole, such as honesty, courage, selflessness, and humility. What I do almost always find in attractive women is solipsism and selfishness, which is hard to ignore once you start seeing a pattern. Would you enjoy a process that involves jumping through a bunch of hoops ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 04:09 AM
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How did you come to that conclusion from what he posted? You reduced it to “so you hate women huh”. You know what he was saying was more nuanced than that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 03:54 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 04:02 PM
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Do you not trust your partner not to try to take part of your inheritance if you split up?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 08:11 AM
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So…..banning abortions worked? And I don’t mean that to say I agree with banning abortions (I don’t), just that the republicans accomplished what they intended to
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 10:04 PM
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You joke, but the dice roll thing is basically what women do anyways. And women usually leave relationships either way. I do agree that a spreadsheet of blowjobs is a dumb idea, but you took it wayyyyyy left with your response. What you’ve proposed is not getting even, it’s getting revenge, which is mean spirited.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 06:31 PM
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You do get that. Dinners, dates, literal gifts, etc. a lot of women expect a lot of investment before sex, let alone blowjobs
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 06:28 PM
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Education - 0 Intelligence - 4
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 06:17 PM
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I’m a guy that’s been on Hinge for a while (like 2 years) I usually ask very direct and pointed questions on first dates. (When was your last relationship, do you have any kids, etc.) I make it known right off the bat that I’m not interested in a sexless relationship, or waiting a very long time before having sex. I am upfront and honest about this. I’m usually willing to pay for something small during a first date like coffee or ice cream so we can have something to enjoy while talking. That be…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 09:45 PM
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That didn’t answer my question though. Why can’t you feel good about yourself without all that stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 09:48 PM
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Why can’t you have confidence no matter what? Why do you need to lean on makeup or clothes to enhance your self confidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:13 PM
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Claiming that you’re “masculine” because you make a lot of money shows at best a lack of understanding about traditional gender roles, and at worst is an attempt to gaslight or re-write those historical gender roles. Having a high paying career is not masculine. It’s just making money for you to hoard for yourself. Making money AND sharing it with someone else IS masculine. It demonstrates an abundance of resources, and a willingness to provide in the future. From what I see women don’t like sha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/23 05:37 PM
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This is feminist word vomit, nothing more
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 06:33 AM
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What if the moon were made of cheese? What it pigs could fly? There are a lot of “what ifs”, but that doesn’t change the fact that men are generally repulsed by children that aren’t theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 06:25 AM
0

You’re getting emotional instead of discussing in good faith. Marriage. The dude is talking about marriage. Require men to marry you before tut have their child.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 06:14 AM
45

This is a counterproductive way to look at contributions to a relationship if you actually want the relationship to work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 08:44 AM
1

This is a gross over exaggeration of reality. It’s like you combined the worst parts of every man you’ve ever been out with.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 08:31 AM
1

It’s less about not being ready to be a parent and more about not wanting to take care of someone else’s child.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 03:50 PM
0

They may change for the better, but there are long term consequences to a persons decisions—even dumb decisions made in a persons youth. For a lot of women that means being 30+ with a child from a relationship that didn’t work out. And if men generally choose to consider that a negative when it comes to dating (with good reason) you cannot put that on the men for having their preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 04:47 AM
3

People take the path of least resistance. They don’t learn or change unless they have to. Unless life puts them in a situation where they’re forced to come to terms with their decisions and analyze their behavior patterns.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 11:30 PM
1

By getting accomplishments
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/23 07:58 AM
0

Get audio recordings of them giving consent
/r/MensRights19/01/23 06:34 AM
3

That’s how it’s supposed to be
/r/MensRights18/01/23 03:53 PM
4

It’s correct when you look at it dispassionately instead of dismissing it out of hand. Being overweight/out of shape and being depressed can be a negative feedback loop with each other. That’s why one of the first pieces of advice guys give to each other when we’re depressed is to get into the gym and start the process of improving ourselves. Yes it’s hard work, but it’s rewarding, and ultimately leads to better outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 05:25 AM
1

This is an interesting question. On the whole, I’d say no. Women generally don’t have traits that I value, like courage, honesty, and modesty. Modern women, especially physically attractive women, are shielded from having to possess any of these traits due to their privilege and not having to develop them in their adolescence, which leads to a sense of entitlement and solipsism for most of their lives. I’m not saying that I’ve never met a woman I didn’t like as a person or respect, it’s just tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:40 PM
6

I think what OP is implying is that it can be a very dangerous downward spiral. Think Mad Max: Fury Road if this keeps up for a few more generations. If men are checked out there’s no one to keep order, and chaos will spread
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 04:14 AM
1

Who hurt you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 05:45 PM
33

You spread those balls wherever the fuck you want. Don’t let anyone nut shame you!!!!
/r/MensRights12/01/23 05:52 AM
1

I make more than enough to support myself. The question was would I marry a woman that made significantly more than me, which is possible but statically unlikely
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/23 01:57 AM
10

The potential problems it could cause on the marriage down the line. I would worry that she would see me as less than her and would eventually leave. Also, if I can’t provide a lifestyle that she’s accustomed to that could build resentment. I’m not saying I wouldn’t marry her, these are just the things I’d be thinking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 09:17 PM
2

I would hesitate
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 09:14 PM
1

Whether or not she has kids is a big one. Also whether or not she’s been divorced
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/23 07:18 PM
0

The two issues are correlated. Men not submitting to God and women not submitting to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 12:54 AM
3

I’m a red pill gorilla, and this man was very wrong and an asshole
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 03:27 PM
2

It’s hard to come up with a comment on this that won’t get you reported lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 04:41 AM
2

Height is the #1 most important thing to women, followed closely by facial attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:25 AM
2

a baby mama
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 06:24 PM
6

Or you could, you know, eat less and workout? Self improve and have a better quality of life in every aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 04:52 AM
4

Just because you’re a tall woman doesn’t mean you deserve a tall man. Funny how that works, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 04:48 AM
5

And yet it happens ALL the time
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:41 AM
5

You can’t. It’s in a woman’s nature to be dissatisfied. Don’t try. Save your energy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 03:27 AM
4

Yup
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 03:13 AM
3

Just making sure you’re consistent in your beliefs. Your beliefs that I don’t agree with 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 05:36 PM
2

So you agree women wearing makeup, fake nails, hair extensions, high heels, etc is parasitic behavior and manipulation?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 05:34 PM
3

I understand what you’re saying. What I’m saying is that I will NOT leave or end the interaction just because there is something I’m not willing or comfortable sharing with that person at that time. That does not constitute dishonesty or manipulation to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 05:26 PM
3

I’m not obligated to share anything more than I’m comfortable sharing at any point in time. That’s where my boundary lies. I’m usually a very open book, but nobody has the right to know everything and anything about me just because they want to. If someone isn’t comfortable or okay with that then they’re free to not continue seeing me—that’s their right. Most well adjusted people with a healthy sense of boundaries don’t have a problem respecting mine if they want me to respect theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 05:20 PM
6

Or say that you’re not comfortable sharing that with them at that time. You seem like you have a hard time respecting other people’s boundaries
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 05:11 PM
2

Yes it would. Women lie all the time with that stuff, but The way you phrase your argument conveniently leaves that stuff out
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:45 PM
2

OP do you wear makeup? Do you wear high heels? Do you dye your hair? If so then you’re a hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:13 PM
10

There’s a difference between lying and having tact. Not everything needs to be shared right away to everyone. Yes it’s a delicate balance. If asked a direct question I either tell the truth or say nothing. But that doesn’t mean I have to spill my entire life story in the first 15 minutes of meeting someone
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:10 PM
1

Women’s default nature is to not act in good faith. Men are just catching up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 03:48 AM
1

This is the kind of nuance and understanding that we don’t like around here. GET OUT!!!! GO ON, GET!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 09:01 PM
1

It doesn’t but it happens all the time. One party cheats and the other party tries to forgive them and move forward. Or sometimes people don’t understand that they’re being gaslighted/manipulated. It’s not always easy to see when you’re in it
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 05:21 PM
0

I think it depends on how she has treated me before the accident. Was she manipulative/abusive/cheating? Did she disrespect me or belittle me/tear me down? I’m not talking about isolated incidents, but was there a pattern of any of this stuff? If so then I’m out. She can deal with her own problems
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:36 PM
5

Ok so this is a very nuanced point, and probably the heart of why men (myself included) are so confused by women… Yes I agree that women want what they get from sex: commitment, financial resources, physical protection, companionship, etc. But it’s also true that women are capable, just like men, of having and enjoying sex just for it’s own sake—just like men. These two things are not mutually exclusive, although for some reason in our man monkey brains we make them so. What I was saying in my p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:39 AM
6

In an ideal world, men and women would meet as equals. We would share the burden of finances (ex. splitting the bill on dates) and we would share the responsibility for initiating sex. However, we do not live in a perfect or symmetrical world, as we each have burdens that only our sex can know and understand. As far as attraction, I’ve just found that for me everything works so much better and smoother when the sexual arousal/desire is present on both sides from the beginning. That’s a green fla…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 03:08 AM
7

I actually agree with OP on this. Sex is not a “gift” that women give to men. It’s something both person create and enjoy together. If I don’t feel the spark of physical/sexual attraction from the get-go, that tells me that we’re fundamentally incompatible at our current respective stages of life, and I do not date that person
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 02:57 AM
1

Lol no
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 03:56 PM
5

It’s the same exact thing as women who only match with guys they find attractive in online dating. Idk why we’re making this a gendered issue…. people are attracted to who they are attracted to. Being attracted to someone and/or approaching them is not a crime
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 08:42 AM
0

Who hurt you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:45 AM
-1

And hopefully have children with them in two parent households
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 08:32 PM
3

Get rid of social welfare systems that prop up/encourage women to leave relationships (like alimony and WIC/food stamps) Make DNA testing mandatory for all children born in the US so women can’t get away with paternity fraud Increase age of retirement NOW, not later (would be very unpopular because people are okay screwing the next generation, just not themselves) Mandate high schools teach financial literacy classes to every student. Not just an elective, but mandatory
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 05:21 PM
3

The difference is how attractive the man is
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 12:02 AM
3

I dunno, I’d say you’re red pilled in your own way
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 10:22 PM
3

I would sue
/r/MensRights07/11/22 12:13 PM
10

Nice try. Your Jedi mind tricks don’t work on me
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 09:06 AM
5

Promiscuous women are fine imo. Who am I to judge someone’s sexual journey? After all, nobody judges mine. I’m all for womens sexual empowerment as long as they’re being responsible about it. Dating a single mother though is where I draw the line, and it’s a very very hard line. I will never pay to raise another man’s child.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 08:40 AM
5

Sounds the same as when men complain that they don’t want to take women on date when they’re already sleeping with other people
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 04:36 AM
1

Because women want the financial benefit of having their own money while also making guys pay for dates. Their money is their money Your money is their money They don’t owe you anything
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/22 02:16 AM
-9

Women will leave eventually no matter what
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 07:33 PM
0

Women ARE by default hypergamous, they just have to actively work to suppress that impulse. Just like men have to actively suppress their sexual arousal towards other women. It’s all about self control
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 07:32 PM
2

The solution is not difficult. Shared expenses should be split proportionally to income. It’s a good compromise between being equitable and being equal. If I make 100k and my partner makes 40k, the total amount of money is 140k 100/140 is roughly 71.42%, so that’s the percentage of total shared expenses that I’m responsible for. This gives both people enough extra money to do with as they please, but still in proportion to their original respective incomes. And neither person feels like they’re …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 05:07 AM
1

The solution is not difficult. Expenses should be split proportionally to income. That way it’s equitable instead of being equal. If I make 100k and my partner makes 40k, the total amount of money is 140k 100/140 is roughly 71.42%, so that’s the percentage of total shared expenses I’m responsible for. If one of us decides to stay home and take care of the kids, all of a sudden the other person is responsible for 100% of the shared expenses. It’s a simple and straightforward system.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 05:06 AM
8

Yes but that’s not what you said. You said every man should become a “top tier man” which IS mathematically impossible. If all men became better then better is now average, and women would find a new way to distinguish who is better or worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/22 06:03 AM
5

I completely agree with this. The serious relationships I have had started with sex (or moreover, sexual desire)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 04:04 PM
1

I don’t think all women think all men are monsters. I think some women think most men are monsters. In reality it’s probably only a small minority of men that are monsters.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 10:15 PM
5

We protect our girlfriends and wives from other men too for this same reason. Yeah, we know. We just don’t like getting grouped in with those psychos when we’re not all like this
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 09:35 PM
0

This is why you don’t owe ANY woman chivalry, protection, or help. Disdain of the opposite gender works both ways. I’m at the point where I won’t lift a finger to help a woman unless maybe she’s a close friend who has earned that privilege, or an elderly member of my family. Other than that it’s a no for me. Also, the whole “kill all men” thing was laughable at best. It’s usually liberal women with blue or purple hair advocating for that sort of nonsense. I wouldn’t pay it too much attention
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 07:46 PM
1

Grow a spine and stop being afraid of people judging you? Own who you are and what you want instead of being a lying coward.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:43 AM
1

It’s not nuanced, it’s a conclusion drawn from data. Just because you don’t like how it represents women doesn’t mean it’s not an accurate reflection of reality
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/22 01:37 AM
2

There’s no way this is real. Sounds like something from a hallmark movie
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/22 05:12 AM
1

Because they often times don’t bring anything to the table besides sex, and they don’t want you focusing on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 12:37 PM
1

And women should stop complaining when they end up as single mothers. They made their choice, live with it. Just like you have no sympathy for men in your comment, I don’t think most men have sympathy for women who end up in that scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 05:18 AM
1

Two things can be true at once. Bowing out gracefully is probably the right course of action AND it’s kinda rude to ignore people. They are not mutually exclusive
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/22 04:01 AM
1

This. Women operate socially at a level that most men can’t even fathom. And they do it by default without even knowing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 03:55 PM
2

This is just the multiplication principal, and you are correct
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 06:36 PM
5

Wrong. Women, on average, make less money than men. Have fun saving that roughly $2.5 million you’ll need to retire on your own. Kevin Samuels talked about this quite often. A huge underrated advantage to marriage is the ability to cohabitate and save money. If you make a ton of money on your own (and hey, some women do) then you could be ok. Otherwise you’ll be homeless right around retirement time when the money dries up. This would also be hard for a single guy to do, but the proportion of si…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/22 05:29 AM
1

The tables will invariably flip again eventually. Be careful how you treat others because one day the shoe will be on the other foot
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/22 03:58 PM
0

Because women want to have lots of sex with multiple partners and not be judged for it. They’re trying to collectively gaslight men into not caring about something that some of them care about. Kinda obvious
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 05:06 AM
2

It could lose you your job, get you arrested, or get you killed. These are real possibilities
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 07:29 PM
1

It’s illegal In most of the western world
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 07:25 PM
1

Criminalizing adultery will never happen in the western world. I do think it’s possible to outlaw alimony, and make custody 50/50. Not just to kill AFBB, but because it’s in the best interest of the child to know and grow up with both parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 07:20 PM
0

I think we need to invert/reorientate the question a little bit. Finding a girlfriend or romantic partner shouldn’t be the goal. The goal should be to find genuine happiness and fulfillment in your life. You achieve this with a lot of time, work, and patience. Whether or not you find a girlfriend/partner doesn’t matter anymore. If it happens great! If it doesn’t happen, also great—you’re still maximally satisfied with your life. For me this has included lots of alone time to learn to quiet my bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:49 PM
1

I should have clarified that I think this is the case specifically within the context of male-female romantic relationships. From what I’ve seen and experienced, family members and platonic friendships are mostly normal human interactions. But within the context of male-female romantic relationships? I’d say more than half.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:40 PM
0

My self worth and identity is not defined by the needs or values of anyone other than myself, especially not a stranger online. I was just answering OP’s question with what I’ve observed and experienced in my life. It’s fine if we disagree. This is my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:35 PM
0

Because women don't just want a man with money. They want whatever is slightly out of their league at a particular moment in time, and have no concept of love or loyalty or duty. Vows mean nothing to them, only their current circumstances. It's hard to respect a person like this, especially if these are values that you yourself hold in high regard. I also believe that for men, respect is a prerequisite for love.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 04:12 PM
32

So we’re all human with human flaws and shortcomings. Makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 06:06 PM
2

I said the bar will raise higher and higher over time, not that the bar is high at the outset (although I think it is)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 06:14 PM
2

They don’t. The vast majority of men try very hard to please and make their woman happy. But over time she’ll keep raising the bar/demanding more/changing expectations until the relationship falls apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 05:57 PM
1

Stay forever alone and don’t even dare try to change that. Women are vetting men for genetic/future potential. They care about the reproductive success of their offspring and themselves. It helps that cause to be able to easily filter out the winners and the losers, so to them it’s a good thing that there’s a large underclass of sexually unsuccessful men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 10:35 PM
1

Race
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 01:35 PM
1

Of the two sexes, I would argue that women are far more guilty of not treating their opposite gender as people. Do you know how dehumanizing it is to be graded and judged by every woman you meet and no matter what you do always be found lacking in something?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/22 01:26 PM
5

Gotcha, that makes sense. I should have been more clear - I don’t think men should be allowed to have financial abortions (in part due to some of the very good arguments made in this thread) I think men need to take accountability for their role in creating a life, but that accountability should be reasonably capped at 50% of the child’s needs. And just as important as money, the man needs to spend time and energy caring for the child, also ideally 50%. This benefits the child without putting an…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 06:56 PM
5

Who says the mother is raising the child by herself? My suggestion was with the assumption that custody is split 50/50. If I was in this situation it sure as hell would be
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 06:42 PM
1

Who says the mother is raising the child by herself? My suggestion was with the assumption that custody is split 50/50. If I was in this situation it sure as hell would be
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 06:33 PM
1

It should be capped at 50% of the child’s expenses Also it should go into a child spending account that way purchases can be audited/accounted for from both parents
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 06:22 PM
1

Why would you even want to be friends with someone that you rejected as a partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 10:36 PM
1

Being friend zoned is a real thing that many people experience, both men and women. Pretending it doesn’t happen seems like willful ignorance imo
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 10:10 PM
1

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 09:51 PM
2

It depends what you constitute as abuse. You could argue then mens bodies are abused in a way that women’s bodies are not, for the betterment and advancement of society (war, dangerous jobs, providing physical protection for partner and family, etc). The result of this is that men have a much lower life expectancy than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/22 05:30 PM
72

I think redpill guys are not able to trust women for one reason or another, and for men trust is a prerequisite to love.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 01:26 PM
3

I believe this is exactly spot an, and it would make sense because marriages and relationships are especially fucked in western/wealthier countries
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 10:24 PM
7

“Basic Decency” to women means treating them like a special spoiled princess. I’m good.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 12:37 AM
1

I was with you until the last part: “…whereby society, the state, or whatever it might be should step in and take some kind of action to limit women’s freedoms…” I think you identified the chain of logic pretty well, but I disagree that this is the logical conclusion. I think the logical conclusion is that the men who are on the margins (disproportionally left out of social, relationship, and sexual success) will become more and more violent over time, and will start lashing out towards society.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 05:05 PM
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It’s almost like women and relationships are more trouble than they’re worth
/r/seduction27/09/21 07:56 PM
8

This is the answer. Women love to tell on themselves if you know how to be quiet, sit back, and listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/21 11:21 PM
-1

no u
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 06:04 PM
24

Because women only want equality when it suits them, of course
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 05:54 PM
1

The man doesn’t trust the woman not to divorce him. 50% of marriages end up in divorce, and 80% of relationships are ended by women. That means that if I marry a woman, she has a 40% chance of divorcing me. Not good odds at all. I’d actually be really really dumb to get married in this day and age. And I don’t mean she’ll divorce me for cause (cheating, being abusive, not being a good provider, etc) I mean she’ll divorce me for some in the moment reason like “this isn’t what I wanted for my futu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 06:40 AM
1

Subsidized housing costs Physical protection Access to consistent disease and consequence free sex Attention Various tangible benefits (free food, trips, gifts)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 03:09 PM
77

Sounds like a great deal for guys going to college
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 11:54 PM
19

This may be an outlier, but outliers do not set the trend
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 03:40 AM
6

“Happy wife happy life” “She’s the better half of this relationship” There are tons of tropes out there that line up exactly with what OP is saying
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 03:36 AM
2

Taller than themselves in heels. That’s why 6ft is the magic number, because it usually fits both requirements
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 03:45 AM
1

This list is so small and easy to achieve in comparison to what men have to do to be high value
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 02:40 AM
1

Men have to be persistent because most women will not initiate the dating process. The most a woman will usually do is give a man cues or hints that he should proceed in hitting on her, and frankly those are almost impossible to read correctly
/r/seduction23/08/21 02:37 AM
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I’m sorry that your mom had to go through that. It must have been difficult to watch growing up. I can see how it can make quite an impression on someone, but to make an entire generation of men pay for the mistakes of the previous generation isn’t fair. All men shouldn’t be pre-judged to be lying, cheating, uncaring scumbags, but that’s exactly what a lot of women think of when they think of us. It’s getting so toxic and honestly that’s why a lot of good guys are deciding to walk away from the …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 05:32 AM
-2

Children sleep for like 10 hours a night, and go to school for 7-8 hours. How exactly is that 24/7?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 03:57 AM
-1

I want consistent rules so that I can navigate the dating world fairly. The women preaching “I don’t need a man, I’m independent and have my own money” are the same ones that want men to pay for dates. Women want it both ways, and I’m sorry but that’s just going to continue to lead to shattered expectations from women as time goes on. Men will/are suffering too, but our expectations are a lot lower and more realistic to begin with. The “Women’s Rights Movement” should have been called the “Women…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 03:40 AM
0

I am waiting to see if anyone makes any sandwich jokes
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 05:18 AM
2

This is a reasonable and wholesome answer. Gold for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 08:33 PM
3

Keeping tabs of expenses is wrong until it’s time to draw up divorce papers, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/21 07:37 PM
6

A woman will settle for a C/D/E until she gets an opportunity to upgrade to an A/B/C. If she thinks she has a chance with a better partner, she will all of a sudden “fall out of love”, and her current relationship will end — allowing her to pursue a future with a better suitor. Monkey branching 101
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 10:52 PM
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This post assumes that the woman is taking the bulk of the household responsibilities. That is a big assumption, and one that seems to be less true now than ever. It’s easy to validate yourselves and your viewpoint when you project this idea that most men are fat, dumb, lazy pieces of shit that just lay around the house and do nothing useful. Many men cook and clean. Many men fully participate in raising their children. Men usually do all of the yard work and car repairs. Men defend the home fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/21 08:46 PM
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