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Gambling addiction is one of the very few situations where Laura Doyle says that you will likely be better off without him. This man has poor character and chooses friends poorly because of it. You don’t want to marry a man who you need to parent like this.
/r/RedPillWomen02/12/20 11:12 PM
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You are correct. Please reread the final sentence of my comment. There is a difference between going to a fertility clinic for testing after being unable to conceive naturally and a woman who has never TTC seeking testing for fertility anxiety. In this case, OP is not trying to conceive. She’s just wondering if she will be able to in the future. Aside from actually trying to get pregnant right now, there aren’t any tests that can “confirm” her fertility.
/r/RedPillWomen02/12/20 07:43 PM
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I’m glad to hear this resonated. Adoption is a way to become a parent, but it’s totally its own thing. To adopt ethically, you have to be ready to be on texting terms with your adoptive child’s birth family. Very few kids are truly “up for adoption” in the sense that they have no family – more often, kids waiting to be adopted in the US are either through private agencies where you need big dollars, or are in foster care where there are no guarantees, and in both cases you need to be a big perso…
/r/RedPillWomen01/12/20 09:22 PM
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I hate this mentality. As an adopted person who grew up with a rotating cast of foster siblings, no, you can’t “always adopt.” Adoption is its own wild journey and is not guaranteed to anyone but the wealthiest parents. For people who feel the intense, animal urge to reproduce with their own bodies, adoption is absolutely not the same. Adopting kindly and ethnically requires a huge sacrifice. Adoption is a huge act of the heart for people with the guts to do right by kids and families in need an…
/r/RedPillWomen01/12/20 03:17 PM
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I’m not a doctor but my mom is. My understanding is that while tests can rule out some common fertility-related issues, there’s no way to confirm that you’re “fertile” without literally having a healthy pregnancy and fertility clinics that claim to verify the “fertility” of women who haven’t already been trying to conceive are usually just taking your money.
/r/RedPillWomen01/12/20 03:12 PM
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Wow, thanks! Guess I'll be signing up soon!
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/20 05:56 PM
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Do you think the program is a good fit for unmarried cohabiting people? I am rereading all of her books what feels like weekly because I am having the hardest time navigating the transition from cohabiting to engaged to married. I looked into coaching but feel like my situation is too weird to gamble a bunch of money on a potentially unsupportive environment.
/r/RedPillWomen22/11/20 01:45 PM
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"Red Pill Women" doesn't just mean "women who date red pill men." There are so many red flags here I don't know where to start. The double standards of behavior, the obvious insecurity, the sketchy behavior with the phone. How is it "alpha" to be a slave to the opinions of his peers? How is it "alpha" to lash out at your sweet girlfriend? How is he "super affectionate" and "consistently [trying] to please" you if he doesn't care about your comfort and sexual/mental/PHYSICAL health, doesn't know …
/r/RedPillWomen19/05/20 04:58 PM
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There is a lot of great advice in these comments. I'll just add this: when I was single, I made two lists of things I need from a partner: my "absolute must-haves" and my "would-like-to-haves but not dealbreakers." I just stumbled across that list today for the first time in a few years! One of my "absolute must-haves" was, literally, "no weird social media porn stuff." It's just too much. It's gross. It's so weird. I used to say "I don't know why men do it! Don't they realize that their likes a…
/r/RedPillWomen21/04/20 12:14 AM
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Cheetos for dinner??? So immature. Cheetos are dessert. Ice cream is dinner.
/r/RedPillWomen13/04/20 04:21 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean by this, could you please be more specific?
/r/RedPillWomen30/03/20 05:12 PM
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That issue is totally resolved, thanks!
/r/RedPillWomen30/03/20 05:11 PM
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Hi! Thanks for asking for clarification. I think that a lot of the problems that we're having is that I'm someone who likes to have a lot of plans for the future, while he's very focused on what's in front of him right now and only has vague ideas about the future. Honestly, I don't completely understand how he negotiates his resistance to "forever" with his desire to be a father, either. I think he hasn't really thought the details of that through, either. He's mainly concerned with being "read…
/r/RedPillWomen25/03/20 05:37 PM
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Thanks for hearing me out! To be clear, I actually do already have a job in my field and have been working in my profession for two years. I was hired to a full-time position in my field halfway through my degree program. I was far enough into my studies to make dropping out seem silly, but I still had several semesters left... I worked full time in this position for over a year, but it was overwhelming to balance that with my full-time course load so he offered to pick up my expenses and allow …
/r/RedPillWomen25/03/20 05:21 PM
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I think it is about the stress of providing for a life, though. Maybe not all of it at once, but he's definitely adopted a "one step at a time" approach. His number one goal right now is to get me through school and into a job that doesn't make me cry every day.... He literally stops me when I talk about buying a house or getting another professional license and says "Finish what you have on your plate before going back for more." So I wonder if his resistance to talking about marriage is more a…
/r/RedPillWomen24/03/20 11:38 PM
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He wishes I'd deal with putting laundry away more quickly than I had been. That's resolved. My spending stresses him out just because it's very visible. We're learning that we both spend appropriately, but most of my spending is on "stuff" (skincare, jewelry) while almost none of his fun spending is tangible (takeout, buying digital copies of movies). He likes certain sex things that I don't personally get any enjoyment out of, but I've learned to make sure they happen sometimes. Some of it is m…
/r/RedPillWomen24/03/20 10:25 PM
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Sorry, I should've been more clear. We can afford the wedding I want; I only want to elope! I love our local city hall and would love to get married in the legislative chamber there. The only expenses would be rings, clothes, and photography (I have several very close friends who are full-time wedding photographers, so it's important to me that they capture the day). We can't get married until next year at the earliest because it would ruin my tuition aid. I think that most of the tension is the…
/r/RedPillWomen24/03/20 09:46 PM
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I understand, thanks for the clarification!
/r/RedPillWomen24/03/20 09:15 PM
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I always suggest starting with something small to see how it makes you feel. Don't start with white gloves, kitten heels and a circle skirt. How do you feel when your hair is blown out, when you wear well-fitting trousers instead of sweatpants, when you wear pretty earrings or a perfume that makes you happy? How's your hair, skin and nails? How's your weight and fitness level? Do you know what colors are most flattering on you? I don't wear heels or impractical clothes, but I am generally femini…
/r/RedPillWomen24/03/20 09:13 PM
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I mean, the biggest thing he's shared is that he just wants more time. Over the past year, he has (politely, gently, and at appropriate times) pointed out specific reasons he feels reluctant about marrying me and worked with me on solutions to these problems. He also says that talking about wanting to get married makes him feel like I'm not happy in our relationship as it is right now, and he just wants to feel like he's good enough for me as he is. I just had an epiphany based on some other com…
/r/RedPillWomen24/03/20 08:37 PM
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Finally, many men don't understand how important it is to have children early, if possible. 20-something is perfect, you have a very high chance of a successful pregnancy with a very small risk of complications or genetic defects. And if you can afford having kids, there's no reason to wait long. Kids are awesome and a lot of fun. This is another thing we're working on. It's hard to really "put my foot down" on any of this because we can't presently afford major next steps. We could probably aff…
/r/RedPillWomen24/03/20 08:15 PM
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Also for him to imply that you've spoken your piece and that your hints are no longer effective is more than average pushback. He is trying to end that conversation. There have never been hints, so I'm not sure what this refers to. If you're talking about him telling me that he'll never think I've gotten over my desire to get married, I get where you're coming from but that's not how that conversation actually went.
/r/RedPillWomen24/03/20 08:00 PM
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In fact, I think they generally concede that much of the red pill philosophy is actually correct in terms of content, but their only real beef is in the form of how it is expressed. I think this is pretty true. It's tough; I think there is value in expressing things in a way your audience can understand and appreciate. It's not "political correctness" to avoid being deliberately offensive. In the same way I wouldn't fault someone for not buying a car from a rude salesman, and I don't think it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 07:33 PM
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Honestly, this is my first post in this sub. However, I have a deeply BP background -- I identified as a 2nd (not 3rd) wave feminist for a long time. I'm blacklisted from a lot of orgs for being 2W not 3W, because 2W takes an (arguably) more extreme position against patriarchy and gender roles. I'm also an intimate partner violence researcher, which probably says a lot about my values in general. At the same time, I'm currently in an intensive training to evaluate and mediate between dramaticall…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/20 07:28 PM
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Thanks for this response. I appreciate your comparison to adult financial issues. Honestly, I'm realizing that a lot of this is his association between religion and marriage -- marriage was always pitched to him by his (ULTRA-religious) parents as a religious endeavor. So when he stopped being religious, he never thought it'd come up again because he'd never heard a secular perspective on marriage. Importantly, I truly don't think he's being avoidant. He's really taken it upon himself to look in…
/r/RedPillWomen24/03/20 06:35 PM
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Okay, so you're fundamentally misunderstanding everything about my post. Thanks for elaborating so I can clarify. I brought up marriage as a hypothetical at the beginning of our relationship and he responded other than "yes"... three years ago. Everything has changed since then, including both of our outlooks on marriage, relationships, and the future. So we're talking about that. I'm glad to know that you've never had a change of heart or needed additional time to work up to a big decision, esp…
/r/RedPillWomen24/03/20 06:33 PM
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This is what I've been doing. I'm just wondering how long into the future I should schedule the drop-dead date, and making it this year hadn't occurred to me. We've been scheduling check-ins for the past year or so and have another one scheduled for about a month from now. I guess I'll tell him at that time that he has until Labor Day to figure it out. Thank you.
/r/RedPillWomen24/03/20 04:53 PM
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Not sure where you got that I'm trying to convince him of anything or that it's his job to support me through college since literally neither of those things is true, but thanks for your input regardless.
/r/RedPillWomen24/03/20 03:04 PM
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Seconding this! I can't believe Felicia's channel isn't more popular. She is SO knowledgable and FUN!!! Most "femininity youtubers" seem like aspirational disney princess barbie dolls... Which is good for them on being Ms. Perfect, but Felicia is a great example of what a truly fun, cool feminine woman can be.
/r/RedPillWomen15/03/20 05:55 PM
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This. I wouldn't be the person I am today if I hadn't been inspired by him to rise to the challenge of deserving his partnership. Before we were even together, when he was just someone I'd met a few times, I slept better at night knowing that he was out there existing in the world.
/r/RedPillWomen12/03/20 09:03 PM
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I hate that you're getting downvoted for this. People get so silly about biological children. I'm adopted, so I know that adoption is a nice thing to do and that adoptive families are real families. I also know that the process can be very traumatic for all involved and it's totally okay to want to build your family however you feel is best. My parents got into foster care when I was in my late teens/early 20s and it ended very traumatically for them. After that experience, I would personally ne…
/r/RedPillWomen15/02/20 03:45 AM
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You sound so much like past me. When I was young, I had a subscription to a magazine that was typically "for boys" and adults made such a fuss about how much boys like girls who are into sports. I got the message: guys like girls who like the same stuff they do. So, I became a gorgeous tomboy; girly in appearance, tomboy in spirit and attitude. Made-up and manicured, but in sweatpants. There was soooo much greasy pizza and, when I got older, beer, drunkenness and promiscuity. Every time I had a …
/r/RedPillWomen15/02/20 12:49 AM
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Agh, so hard because everything that's "interesting" to him lately stresses me the heck out. We've sworn off television for the time being so he's just been reading books about tragedies and man-made famines and it's all he wants to talk about... I can't.
/r/RedPillWomen01/02/20 11:44 PM
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Eat salad for lunch every weekday (unless we end up having a rare special office lunch - I'm not crazy!). Don't cancel my weekly dance classes. Show up to every single one. It's two hours, once a week. It's at the end of the day and I never feel like it, but they're important to me and I'm always glad to have gone. I'd like to lose 5 lbs but that's kind of just a fantasy. I'm just going to eat reasonably and adjust if the scale says something different in four weeks
/r/RedPillWomen01/02/20 10:08 PM
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When my boyfriend lost his last job, he ended up getting a weirdly good deal on his unemployment checks and it didn't affect us financially at all. He actively delayed finding work as much as he could, and just did the bare minimum job hunting required to qualify for his benefits. He was working with all sorts of restrictions (didn't have a car so the job had to be in our neighborhood, refuses to do most kinds of work due to our morals) ... He got a job within 4 months. I know that job hunting c…
/r/RedPillWomen01/02/20 09:50 PM
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Wait... you've been married for 2 years, and he lost his job 6 months into your marriage. So he's been unemployed for 1.5 years? And he's only been on three interviews in this time? If I'm understanding this right, this is a ridiculous scenario. He's going on 2 interviews A YEAR? He may be occupied with personal projects during the day, but he's still sitting around doing nothing. "Nothing" doesn't literally mean "sitting in a chair and staring off into space for 40 hours a week." He's not contr…
/r/RedPillWomen01/02/20 09:26 PM
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Well, the first book I read was Getting To I Do by Patricia Allen. I don't think that's necessarily a "submissive book" but it's a good explainer of masculine/feminine energies and the value of deferring to a man you trust. What I like about that book is that it emphasizes that you can have a happy relationship without being feminine, but it very candidly explains exactly what you gain and what you lose when doing so. Based on that book I did choose to be the feminine energy, the classic RP femi…
/r/RedPillWomen18/12/19 04:20 PM
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Learning the rule of threes was a game changer for my style. It didn’t really click for me until I had to go to a job interview and realized I didn’t have any “interview clothes” that fit me anymore. Like, no blazer, no heels, no sophisticated bag, nothing that said “serious business woman” at all. So I made my casual clothes look dressy by accessorizing x3. I didn’t just wear a button down shirt, khakis and sneakers. I added three accessories: a colorful cardigan, a pair of earrings, and a belt…
/r/RedPillWomen13/12/19 06:52 PM
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In what ways did you manage to improve your marriage or relationship by being more submissive and more feminine? Everything is better now!!!!!!! Really, I started becoming more feminine for my own mental wellbeing. I noticed how much better I felt after spending time with women and I decided that maybe it was because I needed to honor my own womanhood. I was trying to do it all for the sake of doing it all and I just couldn't. So I just focused on the things that bring me pleasure, and one of th…
/r/RedPillWomen13/12/19 12:11 AM
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Thank you for this. My high school boyfriend couldn’t orgasm during sex. At all. His porn addiction was so severe that he would end up masturbating until the skin on his penis was raw, cracked and bleeding and he ended up developing scar tissue.
/r/RedPillWomen12/12/19 11:43 AM
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I've recommended The Rules for years. In some ways, it could be interpreted as a "fake it 'til you make it" guide to boundaries. Adhering to The Rules will create the appearance of boundaries... learning how adhering to The Rules makes you feel will help you learn how to set boundaries of your own. Or, at least that's what my experience was. I'm sorry you're seeing someone who makes you feel uncomfortable. Sometimes, the best way to enforce a boundary is to just remove yourself from a situation!
/r/RedPillWomen12/12/19 02:07 AM
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"Would you mind taking out the trash, sweetie?" gets a "Sure!" Funny because my boyfriend has specifically asked that I stop phrasing my requests like this. He says he thinks of it this way: Would he mind taking out the trash? Yes, he would mind. He doesn't want to. If it was important to him, it would have happened already. That's why it's not already done! "Please" is great, but everything else is a tactic to avoid using the word "please" because it can be uncomfortable to be direct about what…
/r/RedPillWomen11/12/19 06:35 PM
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I don't think it would take paint!
/r/RedPillWomen11/12/19 03:03 PM
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Thanks for the reminder! I have a lot of faith that it's going to really stay this clean this time. I'm actually "the messy one" in our household too (neither of us is particularly messy), which is why the mess was such a problem: he owned a lot of things that just. needed. to. go. With his junk out of the house, it's up to me to keep my "clothes chair" clear now :)
/r/RedPillWomen11/12/19 02:51 AM
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He is seriously as close to perfect (for me) as it gets. His family raised him up to be over-the-top polite, hyper-educated, hardworking, and deeply kind. He's the sort of kind that makes me feel self-conscious about my own idea of what kindness is. He's always brought his best self to the relationship, never been rude or hurtful or passive-aggressive or snappy with me, not even once, not even when he's been tired or had a bad day or I deserved it. I have definitely not always brought my best se…
/r/RedPillWomen11/12/19 02:42 AM
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My boyfriend drinks coffee every day and is a real coffee enthusiast, but coffee makes me sick. He feels bad that I don't have a "morning ritual" drink, even though it has literally never bothered me. Once he found out that I like green smoothies, he started hopping out of bed early every morning to whip one up for me. Spinach, pineapple, banana, homemade yogurt. It's really sweet, especially because he's not a health nut and is usually suspicious of anything I do that seems like a "wellness" di…
/r/RedPillWomen11/12/19 01:51 AM
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I'm grateful for you. Thanks for opening up here. Your comment here very much mirrors my own experience and it's nice to feel like we're all in this together.
/r/RedPillWomen11/12/19 01:12 AM
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If he wants a girlfriend who's into video games and sports and you're not into sports, yes, you're incompatible. What does it mean to be "into" video games and sports? Does he want you to know a lot about sports, pay attention during the game, stay up late to play video games with him, join his fantasy league? Or do you just need to be polite and let him talk about his hobby sometimes? Does he want something in between? What are your personal boundaries? Are you willing to open your mind up to h…
/r/RedPillWomen08/12/19 01:15 AM
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My boyfriend stains his clothes a lot. He just has no respect for any garment; if it's fabric, he will wipe his hands on it. I'll be looking for a napkin and he'll just offer me his sleeve. I embroider funky little abstract designs to cover his stains!!! Squiggles, swirls, zig zags, cross hatches, whatever. It's not my style at all, but suits him perfectly, and it's such a fun hobby that we're starting to grab slightly flawed clothes from the ultra-bargain bin at thrift stores and restoring them…
/r/RedPillWomen08/12/19 12:47 AM
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So, you feel shame. What purpose does it serve? What does this feeling tell you about who you are? You're going to need to release the shame eventually, but for now, I would recommend not trying to shake it off or shy away from it. When you're in a place where you have some time and space, try to explore this feeling. Ask yourself: what exactly is it that feels shameful to you? Is it the image of yourself being so intimate with another man? Is it the idea that another man knows you so intimately…
/r/RedPillWomen08/12/19 12:36 AM
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You need to wear clothes. You don't need to masturbate to videos of people being abused.
/r/RedPillWomen08/12/19 12:01 AM
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Oh come on, this is not comparable. Porn isn't sex. Porn is media. That's like telling compulsive shoppers to stop owning anything at all; the problem isn't the sexuality, it's the hyper-stimulating medium. Porn isn't real life. Porn is the Doritos of sex. Doritos are food, but they're not natural, they're not nutritious, and they destroy your brain's perception of what food should taste like. Same goes for pornography; our brains and our sexuality was not designed to handle this. These aren't t…
/r/RedPillWomen07/12/19 11:59 PM
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Also the porn industry exploits women. It encourages human trafficking. It encourages violence and using women as objects. It gives a very unrealistic image of how real couples express and show love in sex. It distorts it and makes it dirty. Amen. Seriously. How do people miss this part of it? Porn isn't just you and your computer screen. That's a human being in there!
/r/RedPillWomen07/12/19 11:51 PM
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Okay. I had a whole comment typed out here and then my computer restarted. The gist of it was this: If you think that violence in a military context is of the same nature as violence in intimate relationships, I don't know what to tell you. You clearly did not read past the abstract of the study you linked. I don't need to provide another study because I can just read yours: Injury was more likely when violence was perpetrated by men than by women (men=28.8% vs women= 18.8%; AOR= 1.30), and in r…
/r/RedPillWomen07/12/19 03:25 AM
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NO, most men can't kill a woman with their bare hands. That actually takes knowledge and strength, something the majority of men don't actually have. This is literally untrue. If you are physically larger and stronger than someone, it does not take any specialized knowledge and strength to strangle or beat that someone to death. Most importantly, most men - as in, over 95% of them - don't have the WILL to harm somebody who hasn't harmed them first. Almost all violent crime is committed by a very…
/r/RedPillWomen06/12/19 11:13 PM
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DO NOT act like "one of the guys" - no to beer, burgers, arm wrestling, flannel. You do NOT need to be "the cool girlfriend." This is one that I wish I'd heard much sooner. I spent most of my teen years trying to seem like an exceptionally beautiful "one of the guys." I did overly involved hair and heavy-but-neutral makeup, and then squashed it all under sweatpants and a faux-cool attitude. I wanted to be the prettiest of the guys. Why!? What was I doing!? Why did I not reevaluate when it comple…
/r/RedPillWomen06/11/19 09:07 PM
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We're working on moving the formica table to a less conspicuous place. I hope it helps. Thanks so much for taking the time to share your advice!
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/19 01:54 AM
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Thank you so much. This is really helpful. I have been applying the advice I am getting in this thread and I think it's working. I am SO GLAD you made it through this nightmare! We're switching the formica table to a less prominent spot tomorrow!!!
/r/RedPillWomen03/11/19 01:54 AM
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I appreciate this perspective and I'm glad you found something that works for you! I don't think we really have room to give him his own space, but I'm going to have to keep this in mind.
/r/RedPillWomen30/10/19 05:15 PM
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I knew I wasn't alone, but it's still so nice to hear. We do finally have a bed. The mattress on the floor wore so thin that THE SPRINGS STARTED POKING US THROUGH THE FABRIC. Our options were to move my bed over from my parents house (nice full size bed frame/mattress/boxspring) or to buy another twin mattress and put it on the floor in the same spot. I won, and he's glad that we can use the space under the bed for storage now, but I hate that it was a win/lose situation. There was a period of t…
/r/RedPillWomen30/10/19 05:07 PM
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I feel like I keep having this conversation with him, but I think you've hit a few points that I could try. I'm going to have to compare it to something in his life. Thanks for the idea!
/r/RedPillWomen30/10/19 04:43 PM
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This is so helpful! We also hate to waste. This is part of why it's so hard -- we're already committed to shopping secondhand whenever possible, both for budget reasons and because we don't want to contribute to all-new-everything culture. So it's not like I'm saying "there's this great Ikea unit that I think we should buy." I'm saying "I have an idea of something I'd like and I need you to be ready to pull the trigger If I find a Facebook marketplace listing for it." The table is bad, but there…
/r/RedPillWomen30/10/19 04:26 PM
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Thank you for this! I think you're right. I just need to get my own table. I have no idea where it could live. Our apartment is *small,* and the formica table is in front of the only real window in the house. There is one window in the bathroom and another in the bedroom, but that's it. I was working at a local library but they moved their quiet working space to a room with no outlets? I think I'm going to suggest switching the formica and wood tables and just ask him to commit to keeping the wo…
/r/RedPillWomen30/10/19 03:53 PM
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I think he'd be open to it in general. He's done therapy before, but discontinued because he did not click with his counselor. I don't know how open he'd be to therapy for his hoarding, especially because it's been an issue between us.
/r/RedPillWomen30/10/19 03:04 PM
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So.... How do you bring up to your partner that you think he might need therapy?
/r/RedPillWomen30/10/19 02:49 PM
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I'm glad you think it's funny! I am going crazy but it's also funny to me. I like this guy specifically because he's weird, particular and obstinate. I'm glad he has opinions about how he wants our living space to look. It's just literally never been a problem other than in our home decor. We have had the conversation about why these items are important to him. I understand why he thinks the way he does, but I also think he's fundamentally wrong. He likes the formica table because it "feels like…
/r/RedPillWomen30/10/19 02:45 PM
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You know, I had written a whole paragraph about the reasons I can't tell whether he's a hoarder. He definitely hoards large items, but he actually has no attachment to most of his belongings. It's specifically just the music equipment and the furniture. Last night we cleaned out another closet together and he easily put many of his old coats and bags into the "donate" pile. I'm under the impression that hoarders have issues with most of their possessions, while my boyfriend is actually only atta…
/r/RedPillWomen30/10/19 02:36 PM
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Umm... "She is not taking responsibility for her actions" ??? A young woman who was just sexually assaulted doesn't have to lay herself down at your feet and beg for forgiveness for her mistakes before being allowed to feel angry at the violent man who raped her. Could she have avoided rape if she had not gone to this person's house? Sure. But women are raped by men they have known for days, weeks, months, years. Friends. Boyfriends. Husbands. Relatives. Coworkers. Bosses. Strangers. The "if you…
/r/RedPillWomen23/10/19 09:06 PM
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Thanks for this! I have a lot to chew on.
/r/RedPillWomen16/10/19 06:25 PM
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I really appreciate this comment (I'm kind of in the same boat as OP), but I'm seeking more clarity on how "Option 2" works. What is it about taking him out of his comfort zone that encourages him to reconsider his stance on marriage? I think my boyfriend is happiest when I'm taking care of myself anyway.
/r/RedPillWomen16/10/19 02:45 PM
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