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I think this is an area where it really depends on the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 11:42 PM
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the problem is that spectrum disorders are much more common in men than women, compounded by the fact that men don't notice little social issues as much as women do. I'm not on the spectrum but I'm socially awkward. Guess what it's made harder for me? Making female friends. Guys don't mind. I've never had trouble dating because I'm nice, funny and cute. I don't have trouble making male friends, getting along with male coworkers, etc. I acknowledge the problem is with me, but the point is, social…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 11:39 PM
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Female attraction is about more than looks/money. If something about a guy seems very "off" he's going to have a hard time because he sends up danger signals. Yes, even if he's good looking. This tends to correlate with autism spectrum disorders. Not making eye contact, staring for too long, saying slightly "off" things...a woman will turn down a really hot guy if she suspects there's something "weird" about him. Women are less likely to be on the spectrum but I've seen similar complaints from w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 11:21 PM
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It is. Ipso facto most single people are average looking, but I don't think single people are more likely to be average than coupled people. I do think there are certain subsets of average looking people who want something better and aren't quite sure where they "stand" in the marketplace. This leads to chronic singlehood because the 5s won't stop aiming for 8s. But in the same vein, this can happen with 7s aiming for 10s or 3s aiming for 6s.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 11:16 PM
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I don't doubt that single parents in general are worse than having two parents, but considering single mothers are more likely to raise criminals, I doubt all men of single mothers are "feminized." Unless you want to say drug dealers and robbers are feminine. Being raised by a woman doesn't ipso facto make you feminine, but not having two parents does cause other issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 10:58 PM
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I am aware of dropping birth rates (which is partially by choice anyway, it's crazy to assign it mostly to "sluts whoring it up and waiting too long") but anyway, saying that 50% of women who have careers wind up spinsters in their 40s is patently untrue. If you personally meet a lot of them it's probably because they're on the singles scene. You don't go to a bar to hook up and meet a 45-year-old working mother of three that often.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 08:04 PM
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Where did you get the statistic that half of women with jobs wind up spinsters?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 07:15 PM
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The only thing you guys criticize yourself for is not being dominant enough with women. Just like I'm sure there are tumblr feminists who criticize themselves for not standing up to the patriarchy enough. I've never seen a red piller say "I was too much of an asshole"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/17 07:05 PM
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Also late 20s but my experience wasn't like this at all. I didn't live in an urban area as a teenager so maybe that's why, but the amount of actual gross attention I get seems directly related to where I live as opposed to how old i am. If I go on vacation to certain cities it's everywhere, in my hometown it just never happens. There were certain weirdos who pursued me in my teens who were very low quality men in the eyes of adult OR teen women...but that wasn't really in the form of catcalls, u…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 08:55 PM
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they need to visualize the type of women sending these messages, in an alternate reality where women did this. Picture an obese 55 year old women commenting incessantly on your fb photos "mmm you wanna come over here and suck my pussy?" I feel like their tunes would change FAST.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 08:50 PM
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when a gay man compliments my ass, generally at the most random and unexpected time, I graciously accept the compliment and feel good about myself. A.) this happens often? B.) I think most men would be uncomfortable hearing this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 08:44 PM
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Totally, my friend killed himself with a gun. There's so much more work that goes into other methods which give people more time to rethink.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 12:35 AM
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There are many factors, but one I just thought about is gun possession. I know many men who own guns and zero women who own guns. Shooting yourself is one of the most surefire ways to go, and most women never think to buy a gun in the first place (most men who own guns didn't buy them specifically to kill themselves.) So it stands to reason that a guy who already has a gun for shooting/hunting etc might later use it to kill himself, whereas his female equivalent doesn't own a gun in the first pl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/17 12:08 AM
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But you described getting ignored as "brutal rejection". I have never rejected a guy the way you say and I don't know any women who have. Have you personally experienced this? In my experience most women are too afraid of getting the guy angry to actually antagonize him, assuming the way he approached her wasn't inappropriate/NSFW. Comments like that only get thrown out when the guy has repeatedly ignored her requests to please stop (like when I was a teenager and was getting stalked by a grown …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 01:20 AM
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Well, cutting out 60% of women when presumably "no fat girls" is also a standard in place (which also cuts out 60% of women) is starting to get into "really picky" territory and means he can't criticize women for "only wanting Chads." That said, if he's not a hypocrite about it, it's his business. I've seen virgin guys who only wanted virgin girls and I get it. The issue is more when a guy who has slept with plenty of women calls a woman a "degenerate" for having a relatively normal partner coun…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 01:14 AM
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Most women reject unattractive guys by just ignoring them. Incidentally this is also how men reject unattractive women. This isn't "brutal." It seriously makes me wonder what you think a polite rejection would be? Also, the focus of your comment implies that women want what men want. Women don't want casual sex. Women who shoot out of their league with casual sex are benefiting from how men want casual sex much more than women do, NOT the fact that men are just nicer. And on top of that, women's…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/17 01:00 AM
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Yeah, I think those jokes were more OK when women were so clearly subjugated that it almost felt like a charity move to let them be the smart one even if for 2 minutes of a commercial. Now that men and women are on more equal playing fields, it feels tired and stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:33 PM
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yuuup. "He's controlling your bodily autonomy!" I've seen female reddit posters say they deliberately wear things that they know their SOs think are ugly because it's "empowering" -___-
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:18 PM
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Ask /r/AskWomen or /r/relationships and tell me! lol
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:12 PM
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I agree with that too. I just lose sympathy when their idea of "high N count" is 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 08:12 PM
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he's on my list partially because he seems like a really cool guy. He broke up some street fight in Canada apparently? I mean, he's also really cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:57 PM
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Why? I'm just saying we don't know their reasons all the time, not that they were all justified.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:53 PM
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What is with this Brad Pitt obsession? Seriously HE OLD! I'm in my late 20s so I'm probably not going to be hopping on the teenybopper bandwagon but Ryan Gosling, Charlie Hunnam and Zayn Malik are all up there for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:53 PM
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I'm not sure it's illegal or even technically treason at all to sleep with the enemy unless you are sharing secrets or aiding them in war-related things. It's not clear how much of this sex was consensual, and of the sex that was consensual, I wouldn't be surprised if many of these women were Nazi sympathizers anyway. There were a lot of them in France. I'm sure most of them got a lot of social shame afterwards which is probably the proportional punishment. Because God knows their reasons. Some …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:52 PM
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Two things: 1.) How hard dating supposedly is for them. Either they are exaggerating how attractive they are, or have asperger's or some similar social issue that repels women but isn't apparent to themselves...or God knows what. Most of my dating took place as a teenager when boys were more focused on video games than girls. I was always the one getting dumped (and no, I'm not fat.) Short, nerdy guys would dump me because "I want free time to hang out with my friends." The concept of perfectly …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:41 PM
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The women here, as far as I know, don't deny being attracted to tall, fit, symmetrical men. They just don't claim to REQUIRE 9 inch dicks and 12 packs and 6'7" 250 lb of pure muscle. There's such a thing as "too much." I have yet to see anyone here say they're attracted to neckbeards. Women don't like to be the "ugly one" so a lot of the time women will subconsciously rule out guys they consider too pretty or too good looking. Men don't really do this as much so they have a hard time grasping it…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 06:28 PM
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If TRP is dumb, it's not so much the core concept but the incredible projection, hypocrisy and lack of self awareness. Everyone knows women like confident men. Everyone knows looks matter. This is not new stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:57 AM
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Ah, the old red pill "ugly women aren't women" claim, otherwise known as "the only women who count are hot." Glad to see this again.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:16 AM
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People having sex at 12, multiple sex partners by the time they're 16 Y'all need Jesus. Average virginity loss age is like 17. getting married and then divorced only 2 years apart, Not the norm either. If you're educated, close in age, white and MC/UMC your divorce rate is actually nowhere close to 50%. that it was perfectly normal for a man to go through 5 wives before eventually dying of a stroke. wtf? this is also not typical. I'm another (fairly) traditional and monogamous person. The stuff …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:45 PM
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They're not nice, but their overall effect on the world is positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 06:48 PM
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Because black women totally don't make any fuss over black men not dating them at all, oh wait they do all the time. I never said women don't complain about this. The difference is, black women tend not to limit themselves to ONLY black men. It's not like there are tons of white and Latino men who want to date them and they're saying "fuck no, black guys only." They're upset that most races of men won't date them (or at least they're the lowest-messaged demographic). There's a difference between…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 04:12 PM
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well, nobody likes someone who tries too hard. I'm a woman and I've had guys lose interest in me for trying too hard. That said, I don't see anythingn wrong with the stupidmodernband message. When you said "three paragraphs" I pictured one of those stupid canned "M'lady you are like a rose in a dark chamber of solitude, the light that shines on a stormy night" kind of bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 04:03 PM
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Most girls will see a guy who wrote a three-paragraph message referencing things in her profile, not even read it or barley skim it, click over to see his profile, then click away 2 seconds later after seeing his picture without reading a word of it. Most girls will also see some variant of "hey 'sup" from some guy who clearly didn't read anything about her or take any time, click over, see a hot picture, and send a message back. Both of those seem unappealing. Three paragraphs as an OPENING mes…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 03:55 PM
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Even then, men and women carry body fat differently. I'm at 20% body fat as a woman and I have visible abs. A man with the same level of body fat doesn't. So a 20% body fat guy with a 30% body fat girl (prob not 35 tho) wouldn't even be that weird. It's the reason a guy can be 7% body fat but a girl would actually not be healthy at that level.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 04:12 AM
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Maybe not overweight, but old/ugly for sure. Trump gets it worse because he disses others.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 11:11 PM
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It would be easier for women to stop wearing it if even the hottest women didn't repulse men without it. If you think women's standards would be lower without makeup, they wouldn't. The hottest people of one gender would still pair off with the hottest people of the other gender. The only difference is that women would all look a little worse. But I'm sure you're a top 10% man since gorgeous actresses are still too ugly for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 11:10 PM
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Sometimes they do, and other times they settle for average girls despite still hitting up hot girls on dating websites, on reddit, etc. TRP understands how shitty it is to be the "settled for" option. Women don't like being that second or third choice either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 09:47 PM
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Huh? You're saying above average women without makeup are ugly. It shows a lack of perspective since they're still prettier than the vast majority of women. That'd be like if I saw a candid photo of Chris Pratt shirtless on a Sunday afternoon without the photoshop and lighting and said "ew he's fat".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 07:20 PM
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Isn't money part of attraction? No. Sugar daddies are a bigger phenomenon now. These women are essentially hookers (not that I care.) They're accepting payment to pretend to find these guys attractive so they can profit and buy nice things or pay for their college education. Anyone going into it needs to realize this is obviously what it is....how can anyone not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 07:03 PM
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Then look at them without make-up. Still more attractive than most men and women. This just shows how skewed the men on this sub's beauty standards for women are. Even a very above average woman isn't hot enough for them because they're used to looking at women online who are 9/10s + photoshop + makeup + plastic surgery. And they claim they'd date "average" women lol. If Amber Heard without makeup is ugly I'd love to see what they think average is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 06:55 PM
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men have to climb higher to be with the only women they consider worthwhile, aka, hot women. My less attractive female friends deliberately choose chubby or awkward guys because they "dont' want to be the ugly one." Men aren't worried about being the ugly one. The only thing that makes them settle is thirst, but they will only commit to someone they consider an 8/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 06:53 PM
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tbh, I'd prefer "ugh nobody takes me seriously I'm so pretty" to "people ridicule me on the street and don't take me seriously because I'm ugly." People who complain about being hot have never been ugly. I've been both and I would chose above average over below average any day. It's no contest. That said, it would obviously be best if looks could just not be part of professional judgments or your achievements. They really should be irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 06:51 PM
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right, pretty sure guys who work out and take care of themselves are applauded, and women who wear "4 layers of makeup" are made fun of (if people can tell). There are whole subs dedicated to bad makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 06:49 PM
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mostly to point out his hypocrisy since he makes fun of people who look far better than he does. I don't remember other presidents being fat-shamed or hair-shamed as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 06:48 PM
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You've focused on beauty standards that are harsher towards men without considering the gazillion things women are required to be/have that men aren't. Also, the race one does apply to women, just different races of women. See: all the Indian guys on TRP who think white girls are racist for not dating them, even though they only want BLUE EYED BLONDE white girls (who are also hot.) Women are judged for their hips and bust size, men aren't. Women are apparently disgusting after 30 (or is it 22 no…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 06:46 PM
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Even average guys want hot girls for commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 04:25 PM
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Hobbies and experience Much maturity Lifestyle
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 02:57 AM
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One admitted it and people applauded him lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 02:56 AM
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Most women do not buy into this.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 01:49 AM
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Actually, true.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 01:08 AM
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Not really. Hot women and ugly women don't get treated the same. Women who don't take care of their appearance don't get to sit back and wait for men to approach them. And since women's sexual strategy is to have a long term relationship with a loyal and high quality man, that's a lot more than just sitting back and waiting for it to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 12:33 AM
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and yet women are the illogical emotional ones
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 12:12 AM
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huh? nobody approaches me, im married lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 12:06 AM
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Did you actually think that looks never mattered and hot women had no affinity to prefer hot men? I mean everyone grows and develops over the course of their 20s, that's not such a big deal, but I would think it was common knowledge to assume "hot people like hot people"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 11:49 PM
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No, I read it all, but I wasn't really sure what the other bits were supposed to mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 11:47 PM
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Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I thought you implied that men were the ones with high intellect that solves problems and women were the ones with, as you so kindly put it "low manipulative animal cunning." Anyone with high intellect can discern cartoon movies from reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 11:39 PM
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I agree with your first point. But we're in the PPD universe. I actually don't think men are usually hoodwinked by Disney movies, but the way it's talked about here, you'd think it was an epidemic. Frankly, most men I know never watched any of the fairytale romance movies because those were "for girls." In my mind that straightforwardness is consistent with being more logical and less feeling-oriented. Perhaps, but this level of straightforwardness, if described the way you described it, actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 11:35 PM
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Oh?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 11:33 PM
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I actually agree with this, and it bothers me for completely different reasons. These movies and shows are made with the male mind at the center of it (they're made for men) and probably do more harm than good, if it honestly leads to men believing looks don't matter (I still think a smart guy should be able to realize it's fictional, but whatever). Women hate it because we want to watch a realistic couple and we're stuck looking at some fat old guy and pretending he's a sex symbol. When guys co…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 11:33 PM
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Totally. Maybe they conflate "nice" with "overly passive" or maybe they think being nice makes up for being ugly. But whatever the reason, girls are usually able to figure out this is BS pretty soon despite being told the same stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 11:31 PM
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If someone has "high intellect to solve problems" and still can't figure out that movies for children aren't real life, I'd question the "high intellect" bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 11:18 PM
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I mean, throughout my childhood my parents told me that looks don't matter, it shouldn't matter what anyone thinks, be yourself, men don't like dumb bimbos they like smart girls!! like it took me maybe three years into my teens to realize this was all bogus. Not LIES per se, but exaggerations or over-simplistic advice to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 11:16 PM
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or at least if they're going to do that, they need to stfu about women liking tall men and how "illogical" that is when the woman is only 5'1"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 11:07 PM
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Well that's fair, but what's "this stuff"? Minus Beauty and the Beast, pretty much all Disney movies are about hot young women falling for hot young men who may also be rich. If guys project their own average looks onto this without adjusting the female's looks, that's just delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 11:04 PM
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Why don't women fall for this stuff then, if they're so dumb and impressionable? Also I'm not even sure what lies Disney movies are supposed to be peddling...that hot young princesses like hot young charming princes with big castles? I mean I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 10:56 PM
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they say this but they're all there because in one way or another they started out as "beta men" (and I would venture by their own definition many still are.) Most of them have far more anger towards "Chad" than betas, who they believe are loyal, romantic, and pure of heart like little snow-white angels who would marry/fuck anything and devote their hearts to anyone (except, of course, fat girls, girls over 22 and black girls so forget that part!)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 10:53 PM
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if that's true I feel incredibly stupid for arguing with a bunch of teenagers all day lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 10:44 PM
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Personally, I think neither is guilty of rape, it's really only an issue when one person is drunk, and not only drunk but too drunk to say anything. If someone has sex after 3 beers I don't think that impairs judgment to the point of it being a crime. If someone can't walk straight and is incoherent then no, nobody should be having sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 09:04 PM
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well women don't get money from welfare or their parents for their looks. Plenty of men benefit from unemployment checks and parental coddling too, as do plenty of unattractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 08:47 PM
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Most feminists are actually very pro "breastfeeding is natural"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 02:49 PM
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Yes but doesn't that all constitute work? Like being a stripper is still a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 02:48 PM
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This is insane. Of course it's natural, that doesn't in any way imply women all need to breastfeed or are naturally better with kids anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 03:45 AM
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That's so weird, if they're single how are they surviving not working? Even child support wouldn't be enough to live reasonably comfortably.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 01:48 AM
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It depends on her decision to not work, was it because she wasn't good at anything else or because she wanted to spend that time with her family? Also, an important factor is how much they contribute. A stay at home parent who passes the kids off on a nanny all day is just an unemployed person.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 11:39 PM
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I think there's a difference between being a stay at home dad and just being a loser who can't find work. Being a stay at home parent is a choice because you want to stay at home to raise the kids. Not being able to find work or keep a job is involuntary. Currently society doesn't normalize SAHD the way it normalizes SAHM but I'll bet that will change over the next few generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 11:18 PM
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well, they probably would have had sex with me but I wanted relationships so that wouldn't change much ha
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:01 PM
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The worst part is it worked against me later. If I dated some guy I wasn't even that crazy about, and later actually did like another guy, the second guy would find out about the first guy and be like "But if she dated him she must have really low standards and issues." This happened to me multiple times! I always thought that deliberately pursuing men I considered "obtainable" was a good strategy because they'd be nicer but it left me with relationships where I wasn't that into it, and over tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:54 PM
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I wish I had been told to be more selective. My mom gave me a lot of advice about things I was doing that boys would or wouldn't like, but she never once pointed out "You know, if you're a virgin at 18 that's not a big deal." I wasted so much time on really subpar guys in multiple ways just because I didn't want to not have a boyfriend. Meanwhile, adult me is like "Who cares if a 16 year old doesn't have a boyfriend?" It wasn't even an issue of a sex drive. I didn't want sex. I just thought ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:45 PM
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like i know you're being satirical but this is very close to reality for some people here unfortunately lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:43 PM
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Yeah, that's the part that makes me think it is. I don't think this guy is an evil rapist lurking in alleyways to assault women- maybe he was in a relationship where they would have sex while one person was still asleep and he thought it was okay, was just being dipshit, whatever, but it wasn't okay that he did that. In my marriage, my husband knows it's okay to have sex with me when I'm asleep but I gave him explicit consent ahead of time that he can initiate that and it's OK with me. This guy …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:35 PM
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Possibly, although I still don't think most men prefer 14 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:09 AM
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yeah, I was in college around that time and I wore the same bra. Since my boobs are average sized it just made them look enormous. Now nobody wears that kind of thing anymore, push ups just seem to be out of vogue.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 07:18 PM
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I think it's pretty weird to, on the whole, think teenagers are better looking than sexually mature 20-somethings. Granted there are certain people who look better in their teen years due to external factors (smoking and weight gain) but that's different from actually preferring 13 year olds to adults. Most signs of "peak attractiveness" actually DO happen at the same time as peak fertility which is 18-22 or something. Personally I can say my hips didn't widen until after 20.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 07:16 PM
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Ha, whatever works for you. I initially expressed skepticism because I thought you just meant you wanted to get married in general, not that you were already dating someone who was down for it. I hope it works out for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:57 AM
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Both of them have gone on red pill tirades. Nothing else about them set me off, but it's not like I was shocked. Both of them are below average in an obvious way while average/normal in other ways. Also, maybe I just have weird taste, but is this Republican politician meant to be good looking? He just looks average and could stand to lose 30 lb.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:55 AM
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I actually have met two red pillers (all but confirmed) IRL and both of them were not obese. I don't assume all red pillers are 400 lb in their mom's basement. But generally being low quality in some important way (albeit not all ways) leads someone there. I wouldn't be surprised if a decent amount of them are average looks, above average income, and below average social skills. The red pillers I know: Physically slightly below average, skinny but not in shape at all and kind of awkward face. Co…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:32 AM
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So TRP wants men and women to have equal power now?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:29 PM
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TRP teaches that women are inferior, dangerous in some ways, and lesser than them, and teaches men how to gain power over them at women's expense. It's not really a false equivalence at all. Btw, what I just said in this comment is almost word for word how a red piller described TRP on this sub once.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:06 PM
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Lol I'm not trying to stop you, I'm just genuinely wondering why you think this is a realistic plan. It's a debate sub, we bicker here :) But by all means, go for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:41 PM
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I have to say, there is some legitimacy to the virtue signaling claim, however I don't think people on this sub do it very often. However, I do see it from both sides on other subs. If you ask /r/AskWomen if they care about height, almost everyone will say no. The truth is, being short is not a death sentence in dating but everyone knows most women prefer a guy to be tall and a short guy will probably have to bring something else to the table to be as attractive as if he were taller. It's obtuse…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:40 PM
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lol come on...that's like asking "Why would it be bad to teach kids in school that black people are more violent than white people? The white kids could learn to avoid those menacing black kids, and the black kids could learn to control their nature to mug people!" It's just prejudiced unfounded hate speech, which is why it shouldn't be taught in schools, are you kidding me
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:32 PM
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And I do not recommend marriage for anyone under the age of 50. And the rule is "half plus seven" Assuming you are saying you plan to marry over the age of 50 to someone who is in their early 30s...may I ask what's in it for them? Are you really rich or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:29 PM
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My husband is kind of like that too. He notices "messes" when I just see a generally clean room. It's why the concept of a wife nagging the husband about chores is so alien to me- I'M the husband! Granted it doesn't get to the point of true nagging, I guess more like "Hey, are you going to clean up that huge mess over there?" *points to perfectly normal counter* "Um...yeah I guess? What's wrong with it?" Then he'll point to like, one crumb. I guess I'm equally anal about safety things, but not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:23 PM
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That's possible, she has a slightly bitchy streak. I just assumed guys figured it out earlier and didn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:48 PM
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I don't think that's always the reason. I'm just opposed to the TRP idea that the things a woman is annoyed about aren't ever reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:25 PM
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Why do you think? Actually curious. The women the guys marry after her are usually the same age/attractiveness too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:21 PM
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I'm honestly having a hard time understanding this rant, and I'm not saying that to be rude. I agree that "low libido" is by and large situational. But that's not a woman secretly conspiring to fuck over her husband. Many people stop trying when they get married, they both become overweight (which actually DOES reduce libido) and stop courting each other. Pretty much the only RP thing I agree with is that self improvement can turn these situations around.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:09 PM
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Is it really the norm for a couple to enter into a deadbedroom? I understand there is lots of stuff about it on Reddit but is it really the most likely scenario? I mean everyone's libido lowers as they get older and have kids/work stress to deal with, but I've been with my husband for a while and he's entitled to wake me up at 3 AM for a blowjob, and he's never once been told no for sex. I may be higher libido than most women but I doubt I'm that far off the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:52 PM
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I don't understand this comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:49 PM
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In general I'm in the boat where if I'd like my husband to do something I'd just do it myself but we don't have kids. I imagine a woman who spends all day with the kids might like her husband to occasionally change a diaper so she can get a 5 minute break, I don't think that's unreasonable. It's all about both partners contributing equally and carrying their weight and if one party isn't doing that (regardless of gender) I understand the other party's frustration.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:38 PM
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any man who can adult by your definition, that's very few men. Tons of women discuss significant issues like, say, their husbands spending zero time with the kids, or the family being $50,000 in debt, or losing their jobs (or the husband losing his job) or the husband being an alcoholic/drug addict/gambling addict. But nooo, women "never" discuss significant issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:37 PM
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You're right that more sex probably means a better marriage but it's not the only thing. I have heard of women who got divorced saying the sex was the only thing that was good, or they stayed in it for the sex until they couldn't take it anymore. Of course, more sex is better than less sex, but sex is not the only metric to measure happiness of a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:50 PM
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Usually the nagging comes after the wedding because the husband lets himself go or gets lazy in some way. That's like saying a guy who is in a deadbedroom situation should have known better and picked someone with a higher libido. Many women don't seem to have low libidos when they are still trying their best in the "audition phase." When people get married they get comfortable and let themselves go, this is not a male/female thing. Some signs are obvious from the beginning, others manifest late…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:39 PM
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I guess since I've never nagged my husband about chores I'm surprised to hear this is actually a contention point for anyone else, but then again I'm messy and relatively easily pleased in that department, if anything I'm the one getting nagged. I was under the impression that most nagging revolves around more significant issues. I mean if you want the dishes done you can just do them yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:24 PM
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Getting laid a lot =/= maintaining a steady happy marriage. I don't doubt that narcissistic guys have other traits (like extroversion and charm) that help them get laid a lot, but that doesn't mean their marriages are happy. And as for your first assertion, that's a bet. If a guy looks fantastic but hasn't worked in 10 months because he's too busy at the gym, I guarantee you he's getting nagged more than a dumpy guy who at least makes an effort with his family and job.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:22 PM
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If those hobbies are at the expense of spending time with his family, then yeah, that is kind of shitty. What if your wife was really into parasailing and left you at home by yourself constantly, was always off with her friends parasailing, didn't make any effort to include you, never took care of the kids? I mean most people can have their own hobbies without it getting to that point but part of being married is that you are a unit, and constantly neglecting your family to do XYZ does make you …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:17 PM
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If the point of her nagging is "please for the love of God get off the sofa and stop being a morbidly obese smoker" then no, I doubt that kind of thing would be said to a guy with abs. If the nagging was "You spend all your time drinking with your friends and you haven't actually taken me to dinner in 6 months and you have never once helped me with the kids" then no, I really don't think abs makes a different.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:14 PM
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i'm picturing a middle aged dumpy guy but that's because that's what 80% of married men look like. I suppose a guy with six pack abs is less likely to be nagged because he's also less likely to be lazy, but not because women are so enamored with abs that we forget our husbands haven't spent time with their kids in 3 weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:13 PM
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evidence pls
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 04:51 PM
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well I'm not a 10/10 mysef
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 04:36 PM
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Being in good shape, decent face, very friendly/funny personality
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 04:08 PM
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I'm not even tall for a woman, but I would, he would just have to be really attractive in other ways. I'd have lower standards for face/fitness if the guy 5'9" than if the guy was 5'4". It wouldn't be a dealbreaker though. inb4 "choosing beggar" comment, I'm actually very fit myself, my fitness standard for most men is generally "be of average BMI and reasonably healthy" so I don't ask for much.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 03:54 PM
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Seriously. I know a woman who's actually quite attractive, and it seems like every guy she dates, dates her for 2+ years, dumps her, and immediately marries someone else. None of us know why, it's super weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 03:52 PM
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Lol and it's not even just men. Everyone in the world thinks they look FREAKISHLY young for their age and has 20 stories about being mistaken for a fetus.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/17 04:32 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 11:44 PM
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He said it got "violent." lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 11:33 PM
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omg yes. and pretty much everywhere. Everyone I know thinks they look 10+ years younger than their age, but none of them really do. At least not to me, maybe I'm just really good at guessing. Go to /r/AskWomen and post "how old do people usually think you are?" Everyone will say "I'm 30 and when I picked up my niece at elementary school everyone thought I was a fourth grader!" idk where this is coming from, I guess the occasional person will think I'm younger but I've had people think I was olde…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 11:31 PM
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I know a woman who recently got married to a seemingly normal UMC guy after having over 1,000 sexual partners (I'm not joking.) However, he might not be BB. Maybe he knows about her past and has his own sketchy past. Maybe she does all the crazy shit with him that she did with her previous partners. I mean, she wasn't sleeping with those guys to "nail down Chad" she was sleeping with them because I think she is literally a nymphomaniac. A guy friend of mine slept with her and said her dirty talk…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 11:24 PM
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I must look old af then, I'm like the only person on Reddit who doesn't have an arsenal of stories of people thinking I was 15.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 11:08 PM
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I'm not saying you're lying, just that literally everyone on the Internet has stories of being mistaken for much younger. I had a friend who was 32 and has all these stories of being mistaken for a high schooler. IDK what these people were smoking, she looked her age, but I don't think she was making it up either. Anyway if you're so adamant that you look younger than your age, what exactly is there to worry about?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 11:04 PM
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If being the mother of his kids is enough to deter the gross old guy from leaving you, why wouldn't it be enough for the guy your age? And actually, statistically speaking "trophy wife" marriages are MORE likely to end in divorce. Divorce rates skyrocket if it's your 2nd or 3rd marriage, and if the man is 9+ years older, also they are higher if one or both parties is under 25 when we'd.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 10:53 PM
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Sugar mommas exist if you're in good shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 10:51 PM
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Interestingly, the older guys I know who actually do well with younger women (and by younger I don't mean a 50 year old with an 18 year old, more like a 10 year difference) are into a lifestyle that generally matches the younger women. This incidentally turns off older women anyway, so everyone wins. Usually they're really into dropping molly, going to Coachella, all this stuff that makes them "not marriage material" anyway. The young girl gets a fun fling, and the older girl isn't missing out o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 09:27 PM
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Yeah, that's the scary time when it's not cute or appealing. When old men hit on me I find it kind of adorable, when guys my dad's age do it I'm just creeped out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 09:15 PM
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Yeah, I learned to avoid eye contact in my mid-20s because I spent my early 20s giving the "please go away" smile and nobody picked up on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 09:15 PM
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I'm sure he does! One MRP guy bragged about "scoring" a sugar baby. Apparently her bf was a "hapless beta" while he "fucked her 10 ways" or something. Dude you're LITERALLY PAYING FOR SEX while this "hapless beta" is getting it for free. The sad part was that everyone was congratulating him and asking him for "tips." Um, step 1: pay someone to have sex. Step 2: have sex
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 08:31 PM
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one of the most attractive older men I know just got engaged to a single mom a year older than him. DATA POINT PROVEN TRP IS DEBUNKED I WIN THE DEBATE
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 08:28 PM
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I agree with that, but that's because most women are literally marrying men 3-4 years older, not because 50% of the population is "teen girls locking down men in their 50s" and then everyone else averages it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 08:25 PM
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Oh boy. LOL. That's actually kind of cute. I remember my grandpa hitting on his nurse, but she was a mere 40 years younger than him, not 50 years younger. He told her she was a "genetic miracle" because she looked so good "for her age." And there was, at 85, in a wheelchair, telling a 40 year old woman he would deign to find her attractive. I just don't think he cared anymore, he was trolling the whole hospital.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 08:22 PM
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Yeah, the "she wants to fuck me smile" is probably more the "she's scared and slowly inching away smile."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 08:20 PM
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It's weird, I felt exactly like this at 24, but now in my late 20s I've just kind of chilled out about it. It might be that you're suddenly realizing you won't look 20 forever, so you're hyper-focusing on tiny little imperfections. That's what happened to me- it suddenly occurred to me that I would age, so I started worrying about it needlessly. Mostly in anticipation. Most likely, you look around your age, like most people do. I'm equally skeptical of red pillers claiming to look 30 when they'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 08:19 PM
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This is also true lol. It's because they didn't get enough attention when they were young so they like to convince themselves the attention is coming...any minute now... I see lots of posts on MRP where guys are deluding themselves into thinking the most innocuous gestures from young women are "IOIs". One guy said the local barista at Starbucks' or whatever "clearly wants to fuck him" because of how she smiles at him when he orders his coffee. DUDE SHE'S BEING POLITE
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 08:07 PM
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Holy hell this is so fucking accurate, and I say this as the early-20s girl who was on the receiving end of this a few years ago. A guy hit on me at a bar when I was 18 (fake ID) and made this big deal over his "status" and "career" and I literally told him he should give my mom a call instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 08:05 PM
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I love how "stories I hear" is a data point but actual data isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 08:00 PM
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Yep. It's the biggest male hamster I see. "Oh but muh status and wealth!" Dude, MAYBE that can help you if you're already hot but most women these days aren't sugar babies, and the hot ones already have their pick of hot guys their own age who also have "status" whatever the fuck that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 08:00 PM
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You're hearing about them because they're rare. If you look at the actual statistics, the vast majority of marriages happen between couples of the same age. And if your personal anecdotes and rumors mean anything, then so do mine: I was a teenage girl not too long ago. Literally nobody I knew even dated guys in their late 20s, let alone their 60s, fucking hell. The closest was one girl dating a guy in his mid 20s I think, and even that seemed scandalous. None of us were worried about locking dow…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 07:59 PM
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That doesn't really create visceral sexual attraction, no matter what men want to believe. If a guy is already good looking, maybe it helps things, but no 60 year old guy is good looking to a teenager. I mean, come on. Also, women these days have their own careers and this stuff is mattering less and less. Most women just want a guy who makes as much as they do, and would rather be with a guy they're very attracted to than be in some kind of Donald Trump/Melania type marriage. Just look at the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 07:56 PM
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what would be the point? Why would she need that when she could just marry a guy her own age with a decent chance of a good career, and then grow old with him? Instead of having to take care of an elderly man for decades while she's still relatively young. Trust me, this is nobody's first choice aside from outliers. I don't know you but I'm assuming you're not a woman. Any of my fellow females are welcome to chime in and prove me wrong, but there really aren't hot teenage girls concerned with "l…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 07:53 PM
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The red pill narrative is that young women are entitled, overly picky, and stuck up. Yet for some reason they also think these women have standards low enough to consider some unattractive old guy just beacause he has "maturity" and "experience." I buy that a less attractive young woman might choose him for financial stability because she can't find a well-off guy her own age, but the really hot young women have plenty of options, they don't need to stoop that low.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 07:50 PM
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Those are all outliers. Just because you've heard of it doesn't mean it's worth mentioning as a data point. I've heard of fit guys preferring 300 lb women, what's your point
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 07:49 PM
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They're unwilling to admit it because it ruins their fantasy of having the pick of all the 18 year olds when they're 45 and "at their peak." Except if these young Staceys are so picky and entitled, why are they turning down 23 year old Chads for bitter divorced guys in their 50s? go figure
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 06:15 PM
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It's real, but women over 30 aren't invisible, more like women over 50 or unattractive women in general. And peak female fertility is probably somewhere in early 20s. But that doesn't mean women visibly look worse after that point. Unless you get fat or start dressing like a suburban mom or get a bad haircut, you're not going to look that different at 28 than you did at 25. People claiming that women suddenly look horrible at 25 or 30 are just masturbating to a revenge fantasy. I've even seen a …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 06:12 PM
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It doesn't, it's not like we prefer 5'2" bald obese guys, we just don't REQUIRE the "6'9" 19 inch cock 12 pack ripped 2% body fat" thing that guys keep homoerotically going on about. The reason being, women actually prefer men that are in our league. I'm not even remotely attracted to male models, because when I think about being with one, I think "Oh shit, I'd be the ugly one." Men don't understand this because they all chase the hottest thing possible without taking into account their own look…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/17 03:41 PM
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Woah. Well I guess I'm taken so I'm not that odd then. Where do you live?!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 10:17 PM
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It doesn't bother me because I think it's really rare for men as young as he was when we met NOT to be that way. It would have bothered me if I felt monogamy was something I had to convince him of, but I got these sense he wanted marriage but just hadn't found that person "yet". And since we met young, it wasn't really that weird that he hadn't found the right person to marry yet. Now, if I met him at 30, and he had only had flings before me, I might have some hesitations. But if I got the sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 09:55 PM
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lol that's another way of putting it. My husband's ex actually was a crazy bitch, but he also admitted he chose her solely on looks sooo lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 09:42 PM
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Women need muscles in order to ovulate. I was about to write up a response to this absurd comment until I realized you were being sarcastic. Expert in Chadology. well played.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 09:28 PM
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I don't think this is totally crazy actually, although I think traits like clingy-ness/being a pushover are unattractive in general (I'm a woman and I've been dumped for it more times than I can count). It just makes you look lower value if you project insecurity and low self worth. However, there is definitely an evolutionary component to wanting tall/strong men as "protectors" even though in this day and age, that means jack shit since very few men will actually have to physically protect a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 09:27 PM
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To be fair I don't think men are attracted to these things either (regardless of what they claim) but I do think for women there is an evolutionary protection component.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 09:26 PM
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Yep. I've had guys think it was weird but as far as I figured, that was just filtering them out. If they think it's weird to want to know these things then they aren't looking for what I'm looking for. Also, it wasn't like I was all "Hey so do you want kids and marriage?" on the first date. You can figure it out more subtly. I got this info from my husband on our 2nd date because it came up naturally in conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 09:24 PM
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Usually, if "every person I've dated has been crazy/assholes" then YOU'RE the crazy asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 08:56 PM
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I don't even think this is weird (or rather, it SHOULDN'T be weird) but even as a teenager I refused to date anyone I didn't think I could marry someday. If I found out that a guy didn't want kids someday I would lose interest immediately. I don't understand the concept of "flings" because to me it's all a waste of time. I guess I've had one and it wasn't fun, I just spent the whole time wondering why I was letting months of my life go down the drain with this loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 08:54 PM
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teenage glory years boat isn't real for most people. The vast majority of people from my high school look better now in their late 20s, minus the ones who got fat or got shitty haircuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 08:50 PM
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Is this really that odd? I don't consider myself that much of a catch, just a normal person I guess. I'm reasonably cute and most tins my husband and I have sex I'm the initiator. I'm also mentally ill though (anxiety), so maybe unicorn isn't quite spot on!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 08:38 PM
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To some extent I think there was. I'm not sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 08:22 PM
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Right, so they choose partners accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 08:07 PM
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This is a debate sub. I'm actually genuinely curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 08:06 PM
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Well for the woman there is the incentive to have healthy strong kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 07:26 PM
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well, I'm joking.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 05:20 PM
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compatible for long term. lol wait, so if a woman waits for a serious LTR and then years later that LTR didn't work out and they break up, she "didn't respect herself"?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 05:19 PM
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As a woman, reading TRP makes me more optimistic than it should because if most American women are obese landwhales who hate sex and use men for money I must be a **unicorn** and therefore very special and worthy of love and affection! half \s
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 05:17 PM
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A lot of the cues that make someone attractive don't make any sense in modern day society but are left over from evolution. For example, women with bigger breasts and hips aren't actually any more fertile than apple shaped or "boyish" women. Skinny women can and do have kids all the time, the narrowness of their hips says nothing about their ability to get pregnant or even their ability to give birth (pelvic bones aren't reflected in outer hip width anyway.) But in caveman times, a woman with wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 05:15 PM
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It depends on who you talk to, as to the definition of "beta." Some RPW refer to "high beta" as an attractive man who is a "family man"- ie: the perfect guy to marry. If a guy wants a family, "beta traits" like being comforting/compassionate/approachable are actually good, but of course if you have zero alpha traits (which to my understanding are anything that creates visceral sexual attraction) that's not good either. My husband, I think, is the perfect mix. He's not afraid to be vulnerable aro…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 04:44 PM
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I'm not single so I'm not on dating websites. Guys might check me out but if they do, I don't notice. I don't mind the lack of attention bc obviously I'm not looking for anyone, but my point is, it's not like any halfway decent looking woman is asked out by 5 guys every time she goes shopping.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/17 03:09 PM
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I'm a size 2 with t&a, in my 20s. I don't get bombarded with attention every time I go out and neither does anyone else I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 11:31 PM
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idk I'm just taking his word for it
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 08:56 PM
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Yes, that's why I wrote this comment
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 08:35 PM
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I've always said the American gender ratio is bad for straight men, but I didn't think it was quite this bad. Men literally competing to see call girls. lol. lol dude you realize prostitutes have existed and made a shit ton of money off selling sex for thousands of years? When some scientists introduced currency to a group of monkeys, literally the first thing they figured out how to do was use it to barter sex. This is not a new thing and means nothing about the "gender ratio," also a good port…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:42 PM
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Yes, I agree here. It's automatically a gray area even if one party "consents" if there is a power structure at hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:40 PM
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Thats how I feel, although it would be really hard to put this into law. Drunk sex isn't even good, after a date night my husband and I usually just fall asleep. Sober sex is much better for both people even when there's no issue of consent haha
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:40 PM
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Wait you think that men are getting beej's from other guys because their women don't care enough about them? I mean that's not the reason but if that's what they want to tell themselves that's fine
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:39 PM
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I don't think that's unusual at all. A lot of my guy friends share this mentality which is why they'll go to strip clubs for fun, but feel weird paying a woman to spend time with them (lap dance, "private room" etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:38 PM
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right, it should be fairly obvious. I think when both people are very drunk, that's where the issue lies. And I can't in good faith say that nobody should ever have sex while drunk, but that would remove like 90% of the gray area incidents.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:36 PM
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This is where I differ from my blue pill brethren. If someone is extremely drunk (especially if you're not) don't have sex with them. If someone is passed out, don't have sex with them. If someone is resisting, even on a mild level, don't have sex with them. If someone is under the age of consent, don't have sex with them. BUT... I can't think of any time where I had sex with a new partner and "Yes, I really want to have sex!" came out of my mouth. Nothing was really said, it just happened. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:33 PM
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my husband is the one who does this actually. he has obsessive tendencies and when I think the room looks fine, he thinks the floor is "a mess." I'll look closely and there's like one piece of lint on it that's driving him nuts. If it generally looks clean enough, I'm happy. He likes things to be spotless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:27 PM
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Well, if he selected for someone with this quality I don't see what's wrong with it. That's like saying he wouldn't be attracted to his wife if she got fat- if he married her when she was thin, that also makes sense. It would be weird to not disclose this preference, and then after 10 years of being married to a SAHM, be like "I don't respect you." My husband feels the same way. But he made this known early on, so it's not like I'm going to quit my job and he'll suddenly realize he doesn't respe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:24 PM
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First of all I don't think anyone cares if you want a stay at home wife. Tons of women would love that lifestyle. Just be prepared to pull twice your weight, maybe more if you have kids. I have to wonder how old you are. When I was 13 I was the biggest anti feminist in the world, solely because I thought feminism looked down on women who didn't work, and I didn't want to work because ew who wants to work all day when you could just hang around at home watching TV and eating candy? Once I actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/17 07:20 PM
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spiders are the ultimate staceys because they have like a million beta orbiters and they dont even know who their kids are from i guess that's bees actually
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 06:18 PM
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This is true in regards to daily qualify of life. But I think it's also important to have enough savings for emergencies. There are people living paycheck to paycheck who can still afford all the necessities of life and are probably pretty happy...but what happens when they need emergency repairs and insurance only covers 50% of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 06:17 PM
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Yeah, she probably only has her cat kill spiders because she turned down all the good guys and now there's no alpha to do it! /s
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 06:16 PM
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Not really, she works a 9-5 basically, and these days more and more employers allow flexible hours so that you can be home in time for the kids to come home from school, or leave early to pick them up. It was what her husband wanted too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 06:06 PM
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I cook and maintain the house already, those things don't take up 8 hours of the day lol
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 05:39 PM
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Accidents happen and some kids are born with disorders, it's not even that unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 05:35 PM
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but you still had a $60K bill? How was it paid? Glad to see you are doing better, by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 05:33 PM
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I'm sure these guys have the confidence to perform surgery on themselves for free if they need it then.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 05:31 PM
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what happens if you need medical care and your insurance only covers part of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 05:30 PM
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i'll make sure to tell a homeless guy his quality of life is just as good as mine, that should make him feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 05:28 PM
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probably because before 1965 most women weren't working? It was created to fill a demand so that low income families could make more money. And these days, the vast majority of preschools aren't government run.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 05:26 PM
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You just want to tell everyone else that they are living life wrong unless they are doing the same thing as you. The irony.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 05:24 PM
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not sure. I have a lot of hobbies that are very meaningful to me, if i didn't have them I'd probably be more inclined to make my career my passion
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 05:24 PM
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why on earth would the government be involved in a conspiracy to make people think that socializing their children at a young age helps with social skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 05:23 PM
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even more to my point then
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 04:50 PM
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yes, but my point is that people should pick careers based on their best skills and attributes, not based on what requires the least education for the most pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 04:49 PM
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I referenced the trades to another user (maybe it was you or someone else, idk.) Yes, you make a decent amount of money as a plumber, but how the hell is society supposed to function if literally every guy goes into trades and there's nobody doing anything else? People should pick jobs based on what works with their skills the best, not on what requires the least education and makes the most money. Besides, if everyone became a plumber, plumbers would collectively make less money since they'd be…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 04:48 PM
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that's like saying you don't need TRP because there are plenty of fat single mothers who would date you as-is. (You as in, the general you, not you specifically.) Being able to pay your child's medical bills and a house in a low-crime neighborhood=/= keeping up with the joneses
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 04:44 PM
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Yeah, pretty much this. "Hey, there's a mold infestation and we can't pay for remediation and there's a new drive-by shooting every week on our street but at least I'm running my household like a man and my woman doesn't leave the kitchen! Ah, this is the life."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 04:40 PM
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You don't have stupid college debt if your parents are able to pay for it. Being a business owner is obviously a lot more stressful than just working at an existing established company. It's hardly the easier way out. Most small businesses fail in the first year.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 04:39 PM
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Yep. I know a female lawyer who stopped working for like 2-3 years so she could stay home with the baby, then when it was time to put the kid in preschool (which is actually beneficial for the kid to learn social skills and such), she went back to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 04:37 PM
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I used to work minimum wage, and lived paycheck to paycheck. Most poor people or former poor people would never willfully choose that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 04:33 PM
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I don't totally disagree with what Atlas said, but at the same time, women who accept cheating once are more likely to get cheated on again. For some men, the only thing keeping them from cheating is the fact that they know their wife would leave them if they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 04:32 PM
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Okay, and why would anyone choose a life of only buying things at garage sales when you could just buy things at normal stores and not have to worry as much? I'm not talking about Trump-level wealth, but financial stress is the biggest factor that causes marital problems and arguments, why would anyone choose to be "skrimping" when they could just be reasonably comfortable?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 04:30 PM
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Most of college these days is a scam. (unless you are going into very specific fields like doctor or lawyer) Unfortunately it is, but a college degree is still required for most high earning jobs, even ones irrelevant to what you majored in. I don't like it, but that's just how it works out. Were are you getting 4-5 from? the average nonimigrant american family has less than 2 kids. "Traditional" families tend to have more kids. This baffles me of course because they have less money to support t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 04:24 PM
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I would love to not work. But it's not possible for me. We don't even have kids, and as it stands, if we were only bringing in $50K between the two of us, we wouldn't even be able to pay off our mortgage and our insurance bills, let alone ever be able to go on trips (inb4 "trips are something only women care about, men just want to live in cardboard boxes and ponder philosophy") Tons of men enjoy having small luxuries and things in life other than the necessities, there are plenty of single men …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 04:18 PM
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It depends on what you consider a necessity. Most people consider it a necessity to be able to pay for their kids' braces and college educations, and to still have emergency money left over for, God forbid, major medical expenses. I have no clue where people live where a couple can reasonably support a family of 4-5 on a single $70K income. Or how there are men out there whose masculinity is so fragile that they'd rather struggle financially and eschew their kids' education than God forbid, have…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 04:10 PM
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Men don't have to have a different purpose from women. A woman working doesn't mean the man shouldn't work, it means they both should. In today's economy most households need two incomes, and often even that's not enough to pay for kids' education, insurance, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 04:05 PM
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Then don't go marrying an "ain't shit nigga". Then you won't have to get divorced. I guess nobody should feel bad for men who get "divorce raped" then...they should have picked a more reliable beta-woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 04:03 PM
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that's true, I guess I just mean in the "buzzword" sense. Although I disagree that manspreading is a microaggression, I think men just have longer legs than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 03:56 PM
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same with women then, but for some reason it's only bad when they do it
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 03:52 PM
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I'd actually prefer cunt tbh, it's much more British
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 03:51 PM
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why not? both are sensationalized words invented to drum up hatred of the opposite sex
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 03:50 PM
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hahahaha fair point he did say "cuck" a few times so that works against him, can't freaking stand that word. It's the rp equivalent of what the word "privileged" is to tumblr
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 03:48 PM
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Spermjacking is to TRP as manspreading is to Tumblr.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 03:32 PM
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Maybe I'm off base here, but aren't most single mothers just women who are divorced? I don't think that many women willfully get pregnant knowing there's no father in the picture, unless of course they're poor, plus they live in a state where access to birth control and abortion is severely limited.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 03:32 PM
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Well, this is where we disagree on a fundamental level because I don't think most women date up. I think porn has conditioned men to believe their "equal" is higher than it actually is. Every study done on the topic of people pairing up shows that people pair up with those who are roughly equivalent in looks to themselves. That doesn't take casual sex into account of course, but I don't think casual sex is something that most people engage in very frequently. And I can think of plenty of women I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 03:29 PM
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LOL that will take much more detective work on my part, and the weird thing is, he's actually a really nice guy and surprisingly respectful to me despite the ideology I'm 90% sure he's a part of, so I wouldn't want anything bad to happen to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 03:25 PM
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And apparently women are the ones trying to date up. Meanwhile: dowdy men would rather date robots than average women. Ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/17 02:19 PM
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right, it's the women who aren't even interested in men who say the stuff red pillers are most annoyed about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 11:31 PM
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That's true, there is some accounting for taste, but considering most people are 4s, 5s, and 6s, I think it's laughable that the majority are like "I'd bang a 6 but I wouldn't date her" like come on...the guy saying that is probably a 6 himself
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 11:25 PM
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Assuming it's been more than a decade since you graduated high school, are you really saying that four popular girls from your school who rejected you back in high school, solicited sex from you 10+ years later?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 11:24 PM
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You're right, but they probably associate being nice with being a pushover or clingy, which isn't good. Being nice in the real sense of the word is always good.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 10:59 PM
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True, I used to hang out on another website with a lot of women, and girls would post pics of guys they met online and ask the other women if the guy was cute (why, idk) and all the women would inevitably think every guy was "meh." If he was so good looking that nobody could dispute it, he was "gay." These women weren't hot shit themselves and when they occasionally posted pics of their husbands, they were average too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 10:51 PM
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Oh, I just randomly googled "wedding photo," I don't know them personally and I don't want them to get lambasted here, lol. I suppose it's just a matter of taste, but I don't think either of them is significantly better looking than the other one. Here's one of another couple who I consider equally matched. Both of these people are very good looking though, so there's probably less of a debate here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 10:50 PM
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Well, the only reason you would need to clarify is that you actually said men are superior to women. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 10:48 PM
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Yep, pretty much exactly what I was expecting lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 10:42 PM
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The superiority is true, the setting of guidelines and boundaries is true, the taking responsibility for your woman is true. Since I disagree that men are superior to women, I don't really see this being a fruitful debate. I can't convince you to think that women aren't inferior to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 10:37 PM
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Right, RPers. My bad!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 10:28 PM
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Wait hold up this is a real person?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 10:13 PM
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Yes, most of that is insane, not because it's high but because it's specific. Nonsmoker isn't so hard to find, same with the age range (he's 22 so that's probably the age range of most women who would be into him anyway). Smiles a lot- not that weird, a lot of people smiles a lot. The excessive Harajuku/anime/Japan stuff is a bit weird, but I guess in certain subcultures it's not hard to find people like that. He might consider loosening that up a BIT. But.. plays video games but only in cute ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 09:43 PM
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I somewhat agree with you. Most people in general are overweight and average, not just women. And most of them pair up. However, I think it's mostly men on this sub with the outrageous standards, I'm not sure the same applies to men IRL. The Internet has a way of making people act like big shots. However, I disagree with TRP that women date up. TRP has notoriously high standards for women, so they see an evenly matched couple and think the woman is uglier than the man. Think about it- a man goin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 09:39 PM
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Also god forbid someone offend a woman lmao but it would be ok to offend a man. why do i even bother with this sub sometimes lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 09:04 PM
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Wrong. Most men here would date women below 8/10. Most men in the world can't even talk to HB 8s. I would have thought this, but there was a thread about minimum requirements for a girlfriend/boyfriend and most of the men said 8+. There was another thread a guy made about how he would date a 6-7 "until an 8-9 came along" and then he'd dump her. This same guy complained about women's hypergamy. fucking lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 09:03 PM
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I don't think that being physically attractive necessitates not being a coward. Plenty of guys just don't want to offend others or come off as shallow, especially when talking to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 08:47 PM
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The only difference is that men make no attempt to hide that attractiveness is gate 1. Maybe this is true on the Internet, but not IRL. Every time I offer to set my male friends up with a woman and ask what they like in a girl (or if this topic just comes up on its own) the first thing they say is intelligence. They don't want to say "hot" because they don't want to seem shallow. Either that or they think it's already assumed, which is pretty similar to how women function.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 08:28 PM
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I'm not surprised, pretty much everyone here believes this. I think the only aspect of this that blue pillers or non-red pillers would dispute is that any of this is unfair, wrong, or makes women worse people than men. Men also aren't totally forthcoming about how much looks matter, and most of the men here wouldn't even date a woman below an "8/10" so this is basically just human nature, not something that only women do. Like I'm pretty sure no guy here would date a less attractive girl bc she …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 08:27 PM
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it's because they're still under the impression that feminism only exists to help unattractive women get the hottest guys and monopolize the sex market, never mind that a huge percentage of avid feminists are lesbians.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 08:02 PM
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If she is programmed to desire him completely, how is that not desire? Because it's not real desire because it's not a real person, lol. That's like saying my Sims feel pain when I drown them in the pool because they're programmed to feel pain. And for many mean, a real girl with real desire is possible. It's called self improvement and being an attractive/fun/interesting person to be around. It's a cop out to say this isn't possible. What's probably really going on is that guys who want real de…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 07:54 PM
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Well, "Her" was fictional. But even then, if there are guys who decline to see hookers because the hookers don't really desire them (seen this argument regularly on this sub) I would venture the same thing applies to women who aren't even real.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 07:43 PM
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Its the same basis of love women have for their children. Is that bad? Well, a man's love for a woman really isn't the same as a woman's love for her child. My mom would love me even if I became a nazi. My husband wouldn't. But also, a parent should have dominion over a child and a parent is superior to a child. This is why kids don't need to consent to medical procedures. It's not offensive or wrong for a parent to be possessive of a child because they literally gave them life, and this type of…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 07:42 PM
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"Unconditional love is known as affection without any limitations or love without conditions" Unconditional_love unconditional love still has some conditions. No it doesn't, that's the point. If your argument is that men view women as their property and that's why they love them, that's not really unconditional love, that's the objectification/sexism that feminists always complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 07:07 PM
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Is the idea that men would get "revenge" on women by only fucking robots, so it's a male revenge fantasy of having unlimited sex and not needing women anymore? Yes. Although I just said Margaret Atwood because she writes dystopian books with issues of gender and sex, not because she specifically writes MGTOW erotica lol. A lot of guys like to dream of a world where women are as thirsty and desperate for sex as men are, particularly from the guys they aren't currently attracted to. That's where y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 07:05 PM
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While I do think that VR porn/sex robots/what have you, may become more prevalent, their overall effect on the sexual/relationship marketplace won't be much. Why? Because men have sex for validation. Those things don't provide validation. I could see those things replacing the porn we use now, as a fun side-hobby for guys already in relationships, or a sexual outlet for guys who aren't in relationship, but no guy who would otherwise be desired by women is going to opt out in order to fuck robots…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:58 PM
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Men don't love women unconditionally. If that were true, then no action a woman could take would make a man stop loving her. But men fall out of love all the time, sometimes for pretty silly reasons. (Not saying women don't also do this, but men don't love women "unconditionally" at all.)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:52 PM
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Right, because I gleaned this from my parents, not from being a woman in her 20s, knowing women in their 20s, and reading about marriage/dating/sexuality trends for the past ten years.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 06:47 PM
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A guy on my FB went on a rant about how the only good women are foreign and American women won't date "betas." This is actually how I discovered trp, because I was wondering wtf language he was speaking. Btw, American women aren't the reason he's single, he's a very unappealing person. I also met a guy IRL who started throwing out slightly RP-esque lingo but he denied being on TRP when I asked him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 05:35 PM
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I'm pretty sure a guy did this with me. He knew I was married and probably wasn't hitting on me, but he started throwing out some red pill slang and when I called him on it he claimed not to even know what Reddit was. Then later he mentioned some of his favorite Reddit subs. I wonder if he's a regular here. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 05:33 PM
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By the time she's is in her early twenties, she knows that the clock is ticking for her to find a man and start a family. Are you actually living in present day? Nobody thinks like this. I was always focused on finding a husband and starting a family but the vast majority of my peers had no interest in that in their early 20s, let alone being WORRIED about it. It's not really until late 20s that anyone worries, and tbh most women don't even worry until later. I say this as one of the most old fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 05:30 PM
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it seems like all the time previously spent on trying to acquire pussy is now spent on disparaging pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 05:29 PM
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People who are abusive probably do have more charismatic personalities and are better at manipulation than other people, but that just means these are the people who get away with it. There are plenty of boring nerds who are violent or harmful toward women, but they're probably not charismatic enough to fool their in laws, the wife's friends, etc. I mean, if you look up mugshots for domestic violence you're not gonna be looking at a line of Sexy Chads, most of them are just average looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 05:28 PM
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Not really. My friend was abused by her boyfriend, and I freaking loved that guy. He was so nice and so devoted to her, at least in front of other people. Generally abusers of both genders are very good at manipulation and have charismatic personalities that fool everyone, not just the person they're with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 05:26 PM
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I find it funny that you guys want women to get married as young as possible, when they're probably the least likely to make a good choice for a partner and the most likely to experience a divorce. I mean, fucking hell if I married who I was dating at 18 I'd definitely be divorced now. If more women waited until 25+ to get married or have a kid, there'd actually be less divorce and fewer single mothers.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 05:25 PM
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True, it's funny how I see that all 30+ women are desperately clawing at the nerds they ignored in high school, but the single 30+ women I know fall into three categories: 1.) Unattractive (and usually they always were) and have a hard time finding men because they just happen to be annoying people. 2.) Attractive (and usually they always were) and not having a hard time getting male attention from decent guys, but the high standards that made them single at 30+ are still in place and they'd rat…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 05:23 PM
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To your bonus question: no. To your original post: no. I associate sex with monogamy and I would consider an affair like this to be not only immoral for multiple reasons, but a waste. Also, wasn't Kennedy like 40 at the time? Regardless of status I wasn't attracted to any 40 year old guys when I was 19 (not even now, tbh) and I had plenty of opportunities with relatively "high status" men that age (not the president, but still). Still wasn't interested. Now, if you changed this to losing my virg…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 05:19 PM
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I don't support the draft at all, spare for a situation where the US is being actively invaded by another major world power. So I'm not in support of this, but not because of the precious womenzz but more because I think the draft should be done away with altogether. Assuming I was pro-draft, which is hard to imagine, I wouldn't be opposed to having women sign up, but I think the physical standards for combat should be the same. Many women are not physically capable of meeting these standards, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 05:17 PM
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huh, that's weird. Pretty much no religion in its pure/fundamentalist form is feminist or even remotely fair to women. This is a stretch on their part, as much as I support the right for anyone to practice their religion within the limits of the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/17 05:15 PM
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Serious question: where do you get your underwear
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 10:40 PM
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not wanting people to discriminate against/harm muslims =/= agreeing with islam or islamic cultures. I would expect that any Muslim person who immigrated to America made a reasonable effort to adhere to our cultural norms and of course, follow our laws. By adhering to cultural norms I don't mean eating a ham sandwich while waving an American flag, but like...idk, not stoning women to death. If they don't want to change those things they can stay wherever that's accepted, but I think most Muslims…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 09:31 PM
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Someone on this thread said that money is better spent on beer and women, so I guess true alpha males don't wear underwear.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 09:26 PM
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I actually laughed out loud at this. Who is buying their underwear? Are they just freeballing all the time because underwear is for betas?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/17 09:26 PM
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Are you including married women?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 10:13 PM
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7 is the mean, I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 03:55 PM
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I've said this a bunch of times...losing virginity around 17/18 to a boyfriend, maybe 1-4 casual sex encounters during college, and 2-3 serious boyfriends, the last one being a husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 12:32 AM
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I think if both people are in school, that's definitely more common. You can't help but already know everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/17 12:31 AM
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I think mine is different from most tbh, because I'm not into the concept at all. I don't think most people have LOTS of casual sex, but I think the people who do, probably have it right after meeting someone or hanging out with them once or twice. It's probably weird that my one semi-casual encounter was with someone I knew for a long time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 10:26 PM
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I can only think of one time when I did that and it was because of distance and circumstance. We started hanging out/hooking up right before I went to college and he still had a year to go in high school (not to sound like a red piller but this was all legal so shut up). We actually hung out a lot before we had sex, I'd say we started out as friends. We knew each other from school, so for 3-4 years. But I kept it casual (as did he) because I knew I was going to go off to school and probably meet…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/17 10:06 PM
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So a guy who wants to control a woman is secure but a guy who suggests a woman develop more confidence is insecure? Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 05:47 PM
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Why would it be indicative of a self esteem issue if a guy likes a woman who isn't afraid to speak her mind? If anything, that speaks to a guy having high self esteem because his ego isn't so easily crushed by someone disagreeing with him. It's usually the people who feel the need to control everyone who actually have low self esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 03:38 PM
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lol this just reminds me of an MRP post where the guy kept saying "My wife is so nagging and annoying, she keeps throwing all these annyoing shit tests about me 'not being romantic enough' and 'not helping out with the kids' I'm going to flirt with a very irritated 18 year old waittress at Red Lobster in front of her to show her who's in charge." Fast forward to a few months later: "My wife actually left me I can't believe it" Sometimes these "tantrums" are just a frustrated neglected spouse who…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 03:37 PM
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Blue pillers don't hate me and want me to only exist to serve some guy, so not really. I'm girly but that doesn't mean I think men are superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 01:19 AM
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Because most of these were high school boyfriends that barely count, and almost all of them dumped me, even guys who started out crazy about me. I met my husband young so I have limited experience to speak of, I just know that people's biggest complaint was my submissiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 12:47 AM
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I'm not a gender neutral warrior. I'm a super girly girl who admits it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/17 12:38 AM
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lol well yes I know that now, although at the time I was 15 and pretty dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 11:20 PM
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Well, how do you define it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 11:20 PM
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I can imagine a woman enjoying being nurturing. I can't imagine a woman enjoying walking on eggshells and feeling like she's inherently less than her partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 11:15 PM
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You're right and wrong. I had boyfriends who were bothered by my submission (including my husband) which really came from a lack of confidence on my part. The guys who didn't mind it, weren't good guys. I would think to myself "Oh yay, finally someone who likes me for ME and doesn't mind that I'm constantly putting myself down or asking permission to do every little thing." My ex who cheated on me fell into this category. I also had an ex boyfriend (high school, so no sex was involved but it was…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 11:13 PM
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prude
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 11:02 PM
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To stop being a controlling shrew and be submissive sounds like a huge upgrade. For the man. Also, I'm not advocating being a "controlling shrew" either, just having a sense of self and not "obeying" everything a man tells you just to desperately keep him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 10:59 PM
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Exactly. I disagree that AF/BB is even that common, if only because the median marriage age is 27, and factor in 1 year engagement + 3-4 years dating before engagement (which is the norm in 20-something women) then you've got most women choosing their husbands at 23 or so. That's way before ANYONE is worried about any "wall." I also agree that it's not ideal sexual strategy. Even if women did evolve to do it (which I don't think is even true) it's more of a second-choice survival strategy than a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 10:53 PM
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how true this is lol. Even red pillers hate it! TRP: I want a woman who's feminine. TRP: Women are so stupid, they like stupid girly subjects like sociology and art, women bring nothing to the table because they don't like STEM or know how to fix cars haha women are so dumb and emotional
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 10:51 PM
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There's a lot of projection in general. See: "women are obsessed with navigating their stupid interpersonal relationships and playing mind games, it's so immature." Cut to: "I'm trying to game this 16 year old (it's legal in my state don't worry) and she sent me the upside down emoji does that mean she thinks I'm beta????"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 10:37 PM
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Yes, nurturing = good. That's different from submissiveness. Being a great cook is pretty much always a plus. That's like a huge reason why my husband fell in love with me. But yes, if a woman is nothing more than a sexbot repeating "Must. Please. Daddy." I'm pretty sure the only guys who would be up for that would be red pillers, and most women wouldn't want to be with guys they know are going to cheat on/abuse them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 10:34 PM
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Your OP says submissiveness does not help attract or keep a man I should have added "for an LTR." Although like I said, to get casual sex, submissiveness is probably neither here nor there. That's 99.999% physical. Are you arguing that men do not like submissive women, even though submissiveness is a trait associated with femininity as much as dominance is with masculinity? Submissiveness is only associated with femininity so rigidly within tradcon spheres and TRP. Being a pushover isn't feminin…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 10:32 PM
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She physically could, but the idea is that if her confidence is so low that she doesn't think she could ever do better, then she wouldn't do any of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 10:14 PM
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I saw one post where a guy complained of too many blowjobs. They're never satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 09:19 PM
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I think it means different things to different people. For example when you say you don't want a woman who can put you in your place, and then describe the type of woman you want, I think a lot of people would think that meant "putting you in your place." It's kind of said in hyperbole sometimes. My husband wouldn't actually want to be with a dominant woman, just a woman who is self-assured and confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 09:17 PM
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I don't think anyone here is anti throat fucking tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 09:11 PM
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Good point, let me explain. It benefits the man in theory. It's like a woman advising men to "just be nice and treat her like a princess." They think this benefits them, because they theoretically like the idea of being worshipped. But in reality, when faced with a man who is a total pussy and pushover, they're disgusted. That's not to say they want some asshole serial killer, but they want someone with strong personal boundaries and self respect. As to your second point, that's true...I mean, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 09:05 PM
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Lots to unpack here. First of all, whether you say submissiveness is sexy or boosts whatever SMV is...irrelevant. We watch what you do, not what you say. Also, a woman with a "high N count" is not sexually successful! Successful female strategy is being in a committed/monogamous long term relationship with a faithful and attractive man. If they have a high N Count, that's a bad thing and they've failed at their sexual strategy. Unless of course that was what they were going for, but that's irrel…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 08:55 PM
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Yep. This is really gender-neutral advice that holds true for everyone. It's not a good idea to go too far in the other direction and be a total asshole, but people who don't have strong personal boundaries for the sake of making other people like them are often disliked or at least walked all over.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 08:49 PM
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Yep. So basically, if you want to be submissive, the best case scenario is one of the winners over at MRP. Who can resist such a future?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 08:35 PM
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Basically. I'm also not a "grr overthrow the patriarchy" feminist. There is an art to keeping a man and it's not as simple as being submissive OR being independent. Men like to feel needed, but they also need to feel that they're with someone who is a good catch and knows it. I obviously don't know everything, but I always make a point of asking my husband for help with things- appearing "delicate" in those ways (and honestly I'm not making it up, I'm weak AF in the upper body and I really do ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 08:25 PM
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No, he said he has already cheated, at least as far as I remember. Then he deleted the comment. Also, I've seen others. I don't stalkerishly save every single dumb ass comment/post I see, but there was another one about a guy whose wife was SO accommodating that she even had threesomes with prostitutes with him at his request. That wasn't enough for him. He found himself a sugar baby on the side, even though he knew she wouldn't be OK with it, because the sugar baby was "hotter." Men are not eas…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 08:20 PM
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If a man thinks he's above you and you could never do better, that's when he's going to cheat. Because he thinks if he gets caught, nothing will happen. Granted maybe you or I have different definitions of submissive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 08:15 PM
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Didn't you see the post linked yesterday about the guy who said he repeatedly cheats on his wife because he didn't get enough ass in high school, despite the fact that his wife would do anything for him and they have a great sex life?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 08:14 PM
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You literally said what I wanted to say....there are guys there with wives who are in shape and "submissive" and do everything for them and yet they still want to cheat. Oh, but men are so "content with settling" give me a break
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 08:03 PM
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women who choose bad men and wind up becoming single mothers are at fault for prioritizing "hawt bad boys" over someone reliable and trustworthy...but men who only marry for T&A and hotness are following muh biological instincst!!!1 Don't blame them they don't know any better!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 08:02 PM
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I agree with all of this. Also, I don't see this echoed on THIS sub, but on the TBP sub I see some of the "be yourself" advice which I think is pretty vague and unhelpful. Or the "There's no such thing as attractive, everyone likes different things." KIND OF. Except everyone knows some people are hotter than others. Get real.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/17 06:56 PM
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From what I can gather, they're angry about women who have sex with Chads and not them. I haven't seen much anger over women who deliberately don't have sex with anyone because they're saving their virginity. Also, I would venture that if you go on Reddit, the vast majority of female posts you see are going to be from women you will never meet and will therefore never fuck you. Is it reasonable to be angry at every woman in the world who has never had sex with you? Whew boy, and I'm the one with…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 09:50 PM
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What about her would even anger them? She's doing exactly what they complain more women don't do. She's avoiding the cock carousel and taking commitment and old-fashioned values seriously. Why on Earth should anyone be angry about that? I also love how you defend people who are angry at a total stranger online for being a virgin, yet tell me I have "outrage." On a debate sub. lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 09:42 PM
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That doesn't address my point. I'm not saying it was smart of her to post there or that they're under any obligation to give thoughtful advice to women. But it's laughable to allow female posts just so they can give purposefully shitty advice. That doesn't exactly follow the "men are altruistic logical non-narcissistic angels" narrative they have going. These are men with so much spite and emotions that they're purposefully giving shitty advice to strangers online.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 09:35 PM
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Please see comments- I agree it was a very bad idea for her to post there, but if TRP wants to be taken seriously as having a "logical" worldview they need to stop doing illogical shit like giving purposefully bad advice to people. There are multiple questions on there from women in the past week. If they're "not for women" then they should do the decent thing and just remove female posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/17 09:25 PM
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Most of America still wouldn't vote for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/17 10:57 PM
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I know I would personally want to have some creative hobby or side gig to diversify my mind, but I don't think there's anything wrong with women who don't. For one I really love cooking, so I could easily see spending all day reading about cuisine and making elaborate meals. That would actually be pretty fulfilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/17 06:31 PM
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I don't think anyone would vote for her for president though. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/17 06:01 PM
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I would at least vote for her in the primaries for the sake of entertainment. i actually think that's why a lot of people voted for Trump tbh, but I wouldn't do that because A.) I'm not registered Republican and B.) there was a decent chance he'd actually win.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/17 06:01 PM
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I actually don't think Clinton lost purely because of sexism, but I also think Donald Trump would have gotten nowhere if she was a woman. Just imagine for a moment, a 70-year-old fat woman bragging about grabbing guys' dicks and ask yourself if any person in the world would vote for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/17 05:12 PM
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For many women, childcare is so expensive that with their full time job (and no mandatory paid maternity leave) they're basically breaking even. So the wife will stay home and take care of the kids, because the alternative is making zero money to be away from them. That said, I work and if I have kids I plan to be a working mom. But I also live in an area where childcare doesn't cost $40K a year, and I make decent money.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/17 04:47 PM
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LOL basically. It was actually bad for a bunch of reasons that were within the guy's control (terrible technique and no foreplay). But I mean, I was a virgin but I wasn't an idiot, if he had a tiny penis or lasted 2 seconds I still would have noticed...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/17 04:46 PM
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It basically just means "anyone more attractive than me." I was told my overweight male friend must be a Chad because he happens to have a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/17 03:59 PM
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Yeah, actually the first time I had sex was the worst time and I knew immediately how bad he was. I liked him, so I didn't break up with him over it, but I knew it was bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/17 03:58 PM
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It's also ironic that the people who are so against "degeneracy" worship a guy who has been divorced twice and has had multiple affairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/17 12:09 AM
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Wait, this doesn't happen to you every day? Where do you live? I see this at LEAST once a day, they tend to show up after the girl scouts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 10:08 PM
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This so much. We can't play "thought police." It's not nice to know someone out there dislikes you based on something you can't control, but until it has an actual measurable legal effect, shaddap.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 09:42 PM
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I don't see how "people of color" is any worse than "non white people" but okay. I also agree it would be cool to see imagery and concepts from cultures outside Western/white culture! And I think a lot of companies are catching on- hence Disney's Moana, etc. Of course for some liberals it will never be enough, but I think as long as people are buying it and happy, who cares. It's movie companies' jobs to make a profit, not to be the Kumbaya preschool teachers of the world. That said, I don't thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 09:37 PM
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Oh yeah, the gendered slurs thing is absurd. You can't even say "Someone was being a dick." I understand not wanting the N-word in there, or the C-word perhaps, but come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 09:29 PM
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Exactly. Bad movies are going to be bad regardless of who stars in them. It seems like the narrative is the same regardless of what happens. If a diverse movie performs well, it's Hillary's "libcuck" agenda (how this woman manages to lose the presidency and still somehow control the entire world is beyond me?) and if a diverse movies performs badly it's proof that nobody wants diversity. America is a lot more diverse than it used to be. People aren't going to love a diverse movie that sucks, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 09:19 PM
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I mean, idk what your demographic is but speak for yourself? A lot of women and non-white men are enthusiastic about seeing themselves represented in media. It's not something I consider a huge deal- I still like movies that are about white men if they're good movies- but considering how offended white men are by even one movie not being about them, can you imagine how POC and women feel when almost zero movies cater to them? Is it so unbelievable that they might occasionally want a movie that c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 09:03 PM
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What's "feminist" about it other than it depicting men and women as equally important? I don't think most people have a problem with that aspect of feminism. If there was a whole subplot about man spreading I might agree with you. Feminism as an equality movement really doesn't bother most people. If Ghostbusters is "feminist" for having female main characters, then I guess Ocean's Eleven was "anti feminist."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 09:02 PM
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Also, I really doubt you need to pander that hard to make a "non white male" focused film. It's more Hillary-core (aka souless corporate "left") that a great leap toward diversity. Gotta be straight with you, I have no clue what this means. A lot of people in America are not white men, ipso facto, they wanna see movies they can relate to. It's not really a conspiracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 08:43 PM
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Yes, exactly. You always voice things so much better than I do, but this is exactly what I mean. See also, discussions of adultery. Despite the "no moralizing," whenever women cheating comes up, there's an overwhelming amount of sympathy for their "Sad beta husbands." When the Ashley Madison leak happened and it was 95% men, all the comments were "The poor guys were probably being deprived sex, we can't judge, besides who cares no moralizing." lol ok
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 08:40 PM
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Yeah, I addressed that. Disliking the movie doesn't automatically make someone sexist. But it's pretty clear that a lot of people's MAIN problem with it wasn't that it was bad, it was that it was "misandric" because God forbid one movie isn't made with men in mind as the target demographic. Women have had to sit through movies where the male romantic lead is some grizzled old grandpa and we dealt with it for decades, and the minute a movie is made for someone other than white men they freak out.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 08:37 PM
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Well, not only is that very racist against white men but it's also heterophobic- since the actors are on Broadway there's a decent chance that they're GAY! That's basically straight erasure. Like straight people aren't oppressed enough already ugh!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 08:33 PM
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Ok, well, I also hate that narrative, it's the same as "If you don't like Nicki Minaj you're racist." So we agree there. However, in regards to canon, I really don't think it matters. Of course, if the race or gender is integral to the story, sure, but it's rarely the case. Ghostbusters don't have to be men. I mean, they can be, but it's not like they gain their powers by putting their penises together in a circle. There's nothing about that movie that's ruined because they're women. There's a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 08:30 PM
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This would actually make the most sense, for some reason I picture divorced guys in their 40s.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 08:12 PM
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Perhaps you're right, it's not like I'm a regular member there. This is just what I've seen, but also, I don't know the individual ages of the people expressing these opinions. It's obviously not that weird for a 20 year old guy to want to date a 17 year old girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 08:06 PM
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Well to be fair, I haven't seen anyone encouraging literally skulking around high schools to pick up teenage girls, but it's repeatedly said that teenagers are the most desirable. I always assume they're talking about teenagers over the legal age in their state, but in many states that is as low as 16.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 07:56 PM
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Yes, but that's not what's going to make him the town creep. It's the fact that he's creeping on a high school girl who he's been lusting after since before she was legal. Most people are going to find that creepy, even people who have no clue who her dad is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 07:52 PM
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That's true, many of the comments on that post aren't about morality. But the point is, a decent amount of them are. And even then, aside from that post (as you acknowledged) there are a lot of TRP guys who verge more into the MRA area while simultaneously criticizing liberals for being "too easily offended." If you're going to make misogynistic comments and jokes, then be prepared for jokes about white men. Unless someone is literally inciting violence or personally harassing you with threats, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 07:46 PM
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Yes but in this instance, they're finding moral fault with his sexual strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 07:35 PM
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Yes, but not on subs that have "No moralizing" as their #1 rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 07:28 PM
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Altering franchises to be more diverse is a war on white men? Come on. At the very best, it's not "true to canon" but I think our society has worse things to deal with. Like actual oppression. This is the same thing I say to women who hold up "thigh gaps" on Instagram as female oppression. Like, choose something legitimate and we'll talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 07:26 PM
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Yeah, sure, but what I'm saying is, if an average or unattractive 55 year old guy is only deigning to approach 20 year olds and repeatedly failing it would serve him well to lower his standards. Are divorced women perfect or ideal? No, but neither is he, and that's why younger women don't want him. So he could continue falling, or he could lower his standards and date his equivalent. Or just be alone, I guess, which is fine as long as he doesn't bitch about it. I don't know where this idea comes…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 06:24 PM
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Yeah, TBP's satire posts are often over the top and not funny. When they just link directly to things on TRP it's pretty funny because it's already so absurd that very little satire is needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 06:22 PM
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That still ties into what I'm saying. They're single for a reason. Maybe some of them had husbands who left them for no good reason, but a great portion of them may have left their husbands for no good reason, which further reflects on their character. A divorce is rarely only one person's fault anyway, so in general, people after a certain age who are single are single for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 06:20 PM
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Men's sex drive declines earlier than women's, though, that's a proven fact. I'm not saying you have to date older women, if you don't want to, then don't do it! Dut on average, older women on OkC were shown to have more "sex positive" attitudes than younger women and they were also shown to be happier with their lives, etc. I also think that older women in marriages may see a decline in sex drive while single older women might see the opposite- strictly because marriage can result in a dampened…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 06:11 PM
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That's fine, but I see explanations of it that are much more triggery than that. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:58 PM
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Older women who are still single at a certain point seem worse in many ways, because these are the people who weren't able to pair up earlier. Of course, that's excluding widows or women whose husbands left them or something but your average single 35-year-old who's been unable to make a relationship work is single for a reason. Your average single 21-year-old isn't necessarily single for a reason. And the same goes for men, btw. What men on TRP call "experience" I call "baggage." So you're comp…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:57 PM
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I'm very monogamous and fairly old fashioned. I'd be very disappointed. Especially since you can return/sell most rings after buying them. My husband proposed to me with a ring he designed specifically for me, and that's what I love about it. I didn't care about the size or the cost, just that it was created or bought with me in mind. I wouldn't be disappointed that he had proposed to someone before me, as long as I knew that relationship was definitely done. I would just mind if he used the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:39 PM
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omg this is so hilarious. I blame boredom for why I'm here. Boredom and its accompanying anxiety/panic.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:37 PM
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Well, I guess we agree here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:37 PM
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The comments aren't about practicality though. Some are, but most are about what a bad friend he's being and what a horrible person he is. It's moralizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:32 PM
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Well, we agree there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:31 PM
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What I'm saying is, it's hypocritical to be offended by a "hate group" when you, yourself, belong to a hate group.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:31 PM
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It's pretty funny. I'm white and I can appreciate a good mayo joke. I admit I spend a good amount of time on the BPT sub and around Thanksgiving there was so many hilarious memes about white people's cooking. I felt weirdly ashamed, but also kind of superior because I'm a good cook* *for a white person
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:29 PM
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And I guess the mods at TRP are very vigilant about hate speech against women, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:28 PM
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How is TBP a hate subreddit and TRP isn't. Seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:24 PM
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There's way more overlap there than there should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:23 PM
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Yep. It's a mix of looks/personality and an inability to take anything personally. Meanwhile I've known guys who will pine after one girl who repeatedly rejects them for an entire year. Like dude there are millions of women out there...just move on to someone else...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:21 PM
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SO FUCKING TRIGGERED
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:21 PM
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Morality-shaming. #triggered
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:18 PM
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I agree with you here. Women normally date about 2-4 years older, but to me that's "their age." They like men their age physically, and a man 2 years older probably has more in maturity/relationship material qualities, without sacrificing much on looks, so she dates him. This is how I've always been. Only a person in high school would consider a 24 year old guy with a 21 year old girl an "older man younger woman." That's just a young couple. An "older man younger woman" relationship is if that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:04 PM
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they get so triggered.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 05:02 PM
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Nothing will convince me a young (early 20s or younger) marital partner is a smart move. Statistics say you're right. Divorce rates are way higher when either party is under 25 (skyrocket if either party is under 20), or when there's a significant age gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 04:57 PM
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Your interest is in punishing women for having sex, not in actually protecting taxpayer money. If you cared about the taxpayer, you would be pro cheap/free accessible birth control and condoms. Either way you're going to pay for their mistakes. If women in 3rd world countries who are already starving are having children out of wedlock, do you really think ANYthing in the US will change this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 04:44 PM
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I don't think it is, but others do.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 04:43 PM
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The government should absolutely pay for condoms. But condoms are already free at many clinics and testing sites (That said, they should all be free IMO.) The thing is, NOT providing accessible birth control or condoms actually puts further burden on the taxpayers and society, when they have to pay for unwanted children that probably wind up in the prison system or the foster system. Not paying for free prostitutes really doesn't put any further burden on society. A guy not being able to see a h…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 04:43 PM
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Most of the men I mentioned are in happy relationships where they have plenty of sex. Maybe that will change, idk, but I'm not exactly living in their bedrooms, I can't give gory details.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 04:41 PM
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It's as if the world has no need for nurses, but God forbid a bunch of software engineers didn't go to work for a day. People would die!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 04:28 PM
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lol that's how I read it too and I was like...um ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 04:26 PM
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I don't think this has anything to do with TRP. I'm not "red pill" and I admit I'm pretty shocked she's with him...I assume he's just really funny, or maybe she likes chubby guys, or maybe he was thinner when they met and gained weight but she doesn't care. I believe they're together, but...I'll admit that's a little shocking.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 04:20 PM
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PUAs discredit how much looks matter, and the guys you mention overstate it. You do not need to be a 6'3" muscular "Chad" to attract women. You might need to be really hot to attract hot women, but that's life. If average women aren't good enough for you, and if your physical equal doesn't qualify as a "woman" in your eyes, then that's your own problem and what's that about hypergamy being a woman thing only? Also, lookism and such operates under the mentality that with good looks you can get aw…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 04:16 PM
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Either way you're paying for them. If not through birth control, then through the prison system and unemployment since those issues are more likely to happen to kids who aren't wanted. It's nice to say you just won't pay for promiscuous women's actions, but it's not realistic. Even in countries with no safety net at all, people still have unprotected sex outside of marriage. It's not going to stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 02:59 AM
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Maybe that's not what it's for, but it's not like you need to take an autosm test to get in. If it helps average chumps with social interaction, why is it unfathable that guys on the spectrum could benefit too?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 02:08 AM
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The only difference is that free birth control has a measurable effect on the wellbeing of society- fewer unplanned pregnancies, fewer abortions. Free hookers, while a decent idea for the sake of equality, has no positive effect on society other than a few guys getting laid more easily. The consequence of no free birth control, for taxpayers, is money that has to be spent on either welfare or the prison system on kids who aren't wanted. The consequence of no free hookers on the taxpayers...kinda…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 12:27 AM
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I guess this argument makes sense if the men are paying for the prostitutes themselves and responsible for their own condoms. I've seen some arguments that actually say the government should give men subsidies for prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/17 12:08 AM
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Oh my mistake. I agree with you then!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 11:44 PM
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Check out the things red pillers say about women sometime. It's about even tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 11:38 PM
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Why wouldn't birth control be readily available? Presumably if you have no problem with women having sex when they need to, you should have nothing against birth control.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 11:37 PM
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Check it out. TumblrInAction is a reddit sub that makes fun of teenagers on Tumblr who identify as refrigerators or whatever. There's actually some overlap with TRP since it tends to skew a bit conservative. It's definitely a "mocking group" like TBP, but I wouldn't call it a hate group. Especially since personal identifying details and doxxing/harassment aren't permitted on either one. Like is /r/cringepics a hate group now? What about /r/trashy? Also, if TBP is a hate sub then literally the va…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 11:29 PM
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Also, there is a lot of variation with sex drives. Men may on average want sex more than women do, but I can't even tell you the amount of times I've seen women posting on /r/sex or /r/relationships because they want sex more than their male partner. If "paying for sex" is being doled out by how much someone wants sex, then it should be based on a person's sex drive, perhaps measured by hormone levels or ease of arousal, as opposed to a person's gender. If a man has a low sex drive (which does e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 11:28 PM
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I could get behind it being a biological need, but then it's a biological need for everyone. Maybe different people to different extents, but still everyone (excluding asexuals I guess.)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 11:21 PM
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Yeah, whaddya know, same here, also my husband flips out at me if I even mention not wanting to work because he sees that as lazy. I made a joke about wanting to be a housewife when we were first dating and he straight up told me he was "turned off by women with no ambition." I guess the men are corrupted too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 11:10 PM
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So? TumblrInAction does the same thing and I consider that satire. Also, I don't even really contribute to TBP so I'm not going to spend a long time defending it. I'm just saying it's not an "ideology." Also, you can't go around getting triggered by comments about a group you choose to belong to, but then support people who say "single mothers are subhuman scum" and "women are shit" because those darn leftists are so easily offended. Pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 11:06 PM
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I think your concept of China/Japan is mostly based on either stereotypical depictions in media, or rural areas. http://www.cnbc.com/2014/10/30/workplace-gender-equality-in-asia-is-china-ahead.html Women pretty much work in all developed countries. For many women (including in America), it's not because they want to be Independent Career Womynnnn you go girl, but rather because they have to. I would love to stay home and cook all day while my husband works, dabbling in my hobbies and throwing ni…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 11:05 PM
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First of all, I don't use "autism" as an insult. I know some great people on the spectrum, it actually runs in my family. At times I've considered the possibility that I'm on the spectrum, but doctors have told me I'm not. I also don't consider people on the spectrum to be "retards." My point is that people on the spectrum are more likely to have issues with social interaction and need more help with dating, making friends, etc. It's natural that many of these people would flock to TRP, especial…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 10:56 PM
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Possibly not relevant, but I think a big part of this is that lesbians are way more likely to commit at all. Pretty much all the lesbians I know are in serious relationships. I've never known a lesbian woman who played the field or had no interest in relationships. It's kind of hard to have a high rate of breaking up when you're not having serious relationships (not to imply gay men don't, but I think lesbians do more often. At least that's what they tell me.)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 10:52 PM
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Right. Many of the men in my social circle are not top 20%, unless you consider being under 5'9" or being overweight or being prematurely bald as qualifiers of being in the top 20%. And while I wouldn't say they all get laid as much as they want, or get super hot women (they get their female equivalents, tbh, which is fair) most of them do have sex and relationships. Just not with Stacy. So apparently not at all, since the only women who count are hot women. But basically, they're not ruined by …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 10:50 PM
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He/she isn't saying that literally every red piller is on the spectrum, just that there is clearly overlap. And there is. People on the autism spectrum are less likely to have an easy time with social norms and cues, and TRP Is a place where they can at least somewhat learn those things (one of the only things about TRP I support actually.) I've also noticed an inability to read into nuance and sarcasm...and I would attribute that more to autism or Asperger's than stupidity. Then again, that cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 10:48 PM
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idk if you're red pill or blue pill but this comment is so fucking true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 10:44 PM
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Yeah, I think a lot of red pillers think TBP is some kind of alternative option or equivalent. It's just a satire sub and I don't even read it that often. If I identify as "blue pill" it's just because I disagree with TRP, not because I "share" an ideology with anyone else. Then again my flair is black, idk. Is Griddy still here? I feel like she was my ideology lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 10:40 PM
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Yeah, but you'll have to fund one or the other regardless of what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 10:29 PM
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whoop there it is
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 10:13 PM
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Exactly. Also, I admit it's not a "TRP" belief, which is why I didn't mention TRP or phrase it as a question for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 10:12 PM
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No, I actually never mentioned TRP, and I also didn't address it to red pillers. I just thought it would be appropriate for this forum since it deals with issues of sex/gender. I'm aware most red pillers don't consider sex to be something you're entitled to.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 10:12 PM
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Women still need sex though. We could argue that men have higher sex drives, but that's not even always the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 10:11 PM
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Yeah, and the same people who, out of "principle", refuse to support government-funded birth control, are always complaining about single mothers having too many kids. Guess what, people aren't going to stop having sex. Logically it makes way more sense to just have a minuscule amount of taxpayer money go to preventing all those unwanted births. And if you aren't down with abortion, that's fine...most women would much rather take birth control than get pregnant by accident and have an abortion. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 10:09 PM
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ok fine, but if sex was a basic human right, yes, men may want sex more than women, but women still need sex. So in this world, would men just be given more "sex tokens" than women or something? It's kind of hard to say "Okay, men, we're going to pay for you to have X much sex, but women, we're only going to pay for you to have X much sex." Especially since the men having sex would be having sex with the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 10:08 PM
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Well, most of it was from incels, but apparently they don't count?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 09:56 PM
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Wait...why wouldn't men and women get the same food stamps?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 09:56 PM
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Yep. It's more expensive to pay for someone's unwanted kid than generic birth control, which is literally $15-30/month out of pocket.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 09:44 PM
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well kind of, if you consider that the government does provide assistance to prevent people from starving.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 09:43 PM
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ok yes, thank you. You were probably more eloquent about it than I was.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 09:43 PM
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I have, but perhaps that's a sign that I need to step away lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 09:42 PM
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Why are you arguing this? because it's fun and it's a debate sub
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 09:42 PM
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So should people with bigger appetites be given more food stamps than people who don't really enjoy eating but only do it when they have to?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 09:41 PM
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Agreed. But it's a basic human need for men. Women don't seem to need sex like men do. So would you argue that fat people, or people with bigger appetites, should be given more food stamps than people who just see food as fuel? You're adapting this from one of your other threads in which you made this same claim, and I corrected you, and I'm having to do it again. I'm not talking about Your Personal Opinions. There are people who think this. Maybe you don't agree with them, but they exist. I've …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 09:41 PM
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Yes, but all it takes to get pregnant is having sex. If sex is a basic human right (I know you don't think it is, but re: your second comment) then exercising a basic human right doesn't exactly count as irresponsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 09:39 PM
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Some people think sex should be treated as a basic human right like water/food/shelter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/17 08:53 PM
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For the record, this world would lead to just as many people fucking outside of marriage or without the means to provide a child, and then just being stuck with kids they don't want. Even with welfare, being a single mom is financially draining (yes, really) unless the guy who knocked you up is a professional athlete (he's probably not.) But people don't care. People still fuck. Even without quotas and affirmative action, women would still be successful (not all, but enough that very few of them…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:57 PM
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First of all, I'd assume that most men who classify as overweight are actually fat. Also, since the threshold for an unhealthy amount of body fat for women is actually higher than it is for men (because of how women gain and distribute weight) it's probably still equal. A man at a certain BMI may look fitter than a woman at the same BMI, but a woman at a certain body fat percentage will look fitter than a man of the same body fat percentage. tldr, there are probably still a somewhat equal amount…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:46 PM
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What about the attractive smart guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:43 PM
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I don't know, maybe a pleasant-looking but flat-chested skinny girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:42 PM
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Do you actually believe this? You can't really "dupe" women into finding you physically attractive. If that was a thing, there'd be a lot fewer sexually frustrated men in THIS world too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:33 PM
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America has an obesity problem. I doubt that most of these obese guys are just misunderstood bodybuilders. The issues that cause obesity in America would not disproportionately affect women. Also, "obese" refers to body fat percentages, not weight. "Overweight" can include bone mass and muscle. And this article: https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/Pages/overweight-obesity-statistics.aspx shows that... "The prevalence of obesity is similar for both men and women (about …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:30 PM
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seriously, it's like "Explain to me now why killing people should be illegal, it's not like killing people prevents me from getting laid so whats the issue"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:19 PM
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Yeah, women have to be "polite" and as a result, lie to people. Trust me, I wish I could have told every guy I wasn't into, exactly why I wasn't into him. But who really wants to hear "I just don't find you physically appealing"? Or "You're boring"? I remember a guy who had a crush on me in high school, I found unattractive but he also happened to be a drug addict (deal breaker) so I was able to say his drug problem was the reason I didn't like him. And then he offered to go into rehab "for me."…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 10:08 PM
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I wasn't aware of this backstory. I do think some things are more universally agreed-upon as being hot, yes. I don't think that means every woman's 8 is going to look the same. One woman's 8 may be another woman's 6, but tbh, he's not going to be another's woman's 2. It varies, but conventional attractiveness is obviously a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:46 PM
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They are typically very charming/good looking Do you actually have evidence of this? Robert Durst freaking killed his wife and was neither charming nor good looking. Obviously that's one incident, but I really don't think that most abusers are good looking. Maybe charismatic, because they're better at manipulating, but not good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:44 PM
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So true. I know plenty of women who don't get approached. And I mean literally never. They can have relationships though, but it's not with "Chad," it's with equally unattractive men, and often they have to put in the work to get the attention. (Keep in mind I'm not decrying this as an injustice, just saying it's how the world is.)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:37 PM
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awww me too. I guess I wish society was more monogamous but I don't believe any regulations would actually encourage it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:36 PM
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If you're super hot, why are you in support of this system? If you're hot you should already have attractive women interested in you without any government regulations, haha
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:31 PM
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idk, what's so bad about misandry? It's never personally affected my ability to have sex, so it must be ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:31 PM
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Fair enough then!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:23 PM
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Id like to see a lot more paternity testing. It would keep everyone more honest. Trust, but verify. Fair, but who's paying for this? Paternity testing is already readily available. If this becomes a government-subsidized thing, isn't it basically along the lines of the government paying for abortions, birth control, etc, which I thought TRP was against because "I shouldn't pay for you to have sex"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:14 PM
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Yep. I've also noticed the RP saying of "obesity has destroyed the SMP because your average woman today would have been a 2/10 many years ago, women's egos are inflated!" Dude, if men are JUST AS FAT as women, it changes shit for guys who are actually in good shape. A "fat" guy in 1950 would probably be considered in good shape now, so this doesn't skew anything for men, just means as a whole we're fatter than we used to be. I'd understand the bitching slightly more if women were the only fat on…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:10 PM
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That's true too. Also, I'm not sure why guys keep insinuating that women are the only ones who are fat so your average man is better looking than your average women. Men are fat too. http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/adult-overweightobesity-rate-by-gender/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D In some states, there are actually more fat men than fat women. In other states, it's the reverse. But either way, it looks like most people in the US are fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 09:05 PM
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Fat women tend to like heavier guys, so it's not misleading. But since you guys only see hot women, then in that worldview, it's misleading because it implies (to those who only count hot women as women) that hot women like fat guys. Which they don't. All the overweight women I know don't want to be with a guy thinner than them because it would make them self conscious. idk. I'm very fit so I like guys who are fit (as in, in good shape and not fat, not as in, giant muscles.)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 08:51 PM
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Does the idea that women have individual/different personalities necessitate that no particular traits/types of men will be more attractive to women than others? I don't see how these things are mutually exclusive. But there's kind of a middle ground between "No matter what you look like, there is an equal amount of women who find that attractive" and "All women are manipulative disloyal sluts." Catch my drift? I mean, red pill men generally agree that men will find some women more attractive th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/17 08:50 PM
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Personal anecdotes aren't statistics. I personally don't know any younger women who are into older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 10:35 PM
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So far all you've proven is that women sometimes message older men, not that women prefer older men. If women rating men their age the highest and being more likely to initiate contact with men their own age, as well as being most likely to marry men their own age, doesn't prove that women prefer men their own age or close to it, what possible metric could exist to prove that women like men their own age? So far the only evidence you have of the reverse (that women prefer men a lot older than th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 10:33 PM
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Right, so women are most likely to initiate first contact with men their age...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 07:21 PM
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Look where most of the messages are concentrated (the green area). I'm not saying younger women never message older men. Just that most of their messages are to men their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 05:30 PM
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1.) In the scenario where I'm making $200K would I be single, or just with a guy who isn't making 200K a year? 2.) Is this guy going to marry me and not divorce me?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 05:05 PM
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https://theblog.okcupid.com/the-case-for-an-older-woman-99d8cabacdf5#.h26hl1pt7
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 05:03 PM
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They also messaged men their own age the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/17 02:18 PM
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You're still not fixing the narrative. Why do I have to fix what other people do? Women clearly like these guys for whatever reason. Probably not the smartest or most well-adjusted women, they're usually drunk af, but whatever, I can't change it. It's still enabling the behavior with the idea that there's that many women out there who appreciate sleezy men who only prioritize sex. But there are? I'm not here to change reality. I don't like promiscuity, I don't think it's safe or mentally healthy…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 06:12 PM
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Totally, I completely understand the frustration (and I don't see what the big deal is about short guys honestly, I'd way rather date a short/fit guy than a tall fat one, or a guy with no chin). If your question is "Do I have a right to be frustrated?" then my answer is absolutely. But you came asking for advice, and my advice is never going to be "Sit around and get mad." That doesn't help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 05:33 PM
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false equivalency! avocados and corn have different sexual strategies dumbass
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 05:32 PM
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I didn't actually, you said it was something called cornhub so I looked it up. Reminds me of /r/avocadoporn which is one of my favorites subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 04:56 PM
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Two things: 1.) College girls dating men in their mid-late 20s, happens, but it's definitely not the norm, not enough of a norm to weed out such a great portion of women, anyway. 2.) Your idea of what fat is, is about right. Maybe your college is located in an area with high obesity rates. At my school there were girls who were sorta chubby but very few who were fat. 3.) I'm not saying you have to change yourself to market to anyone. But if the issue is something you can't control (height) you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 04:56 PM
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You must not have looked around enough (btw I'm not criticizing them for wanting virgins, it makes a hell of a lot more sense than a red pillar preferring virgins, since they're usually virgins themselves): https://www.reddit.com/r/Incels/comments/5rz115/i_just_want_a_random_virgin_girl/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Incels/comments/5k1hme/why_its_important_that_your_gf_is_a_virgin_if_you/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Incels/comments/5jz6l9/what_is_so_wrong_with_preferring_a_virgin_woman/ https://www.red…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 04:26 PM
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I'm mostly just entertained that "cornhub" is a thing, tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 04:19 PM
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hey, I got your PM but (don't take offense here) I don't open links by PM since there have been some messed up things that happened on Reddit that way (IP addresses, doxxing etc) but I'll take your word for it. If the college is 66% women, it's kinda impossible that there wouldn't be more single women, unless your idea of "busted face" is really just an average face and your idea of "fat" is really just average weight. Also depends on where you live I guess, obesity is different depending on loc…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 04:19 PM
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lol I was in a public place! Didn't want to be that pervert watching porn at a coffee shop :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 04:16 PM
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I also used to have crooked teeth. A few months into invisalign and they looked better. It took a year or two for the transformation to be complete but they started looking better pretty fast. That's why I didn't hold the teeth against her too hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 03:56 PM
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1.) To answer your question directly, a lot of girls in college are on Tinder/Hinge these days. I'm not saying it's the best strategy, but that's probably where they are. When I was in college you'd meet single girls at parties, but I'm guessing that's not working out for you. 2.) Is your college majority male? 3.) I have no clue what you look like, but it seems like you do meet single girls, they're just not hot enough for you. Are you willing to date your physical equivalent? And I'm curious w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 03:53 PM
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Interesting. I always thought most guys preferred "natural LOOKING" (as in, not really natural but looks natural) over anything else, but the other thread about rating women has men rating the most made-up, "fake" women the highest. I guess you're not the majority haha
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 03:50 PM
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He writes manosphere articles about women. I confused him with another author who writes manosphere articles about women. You pretended to confuse me (a faceless person on the Internet) with, presumably, someone who does porn. What I posted wasn't a different genre or type of thing from what he does, just a different author and article. Are you him or something? this is really not a big deal. He probably deals with far worse on a daily basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 03:50 PM
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I know certain things are more popular with men than other things, which would make woman 2, 5 and 7 clearly the hottest of the bunch (8-10), but I firmly believe other girls would incite really mixed ratings, especially if you got guys from outside of PPD to weigh in. For example, Girl 1. For some guys into certain styles and subcultures she is an 8 or 9. For others she's a 6. Nobody would deny she has a pretty face, but she doesn't have big boobs or a particularly sexy style, and the short hai…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 03:47 PM
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you KINDA implied it was porn. and awww y u no give me commitmenttttt
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 03:43 PM
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Yes lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 03:16 PM
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I actually rated the "fake" 7 girl pretty high because she's clearly really hot regardless. As for 4, I thought her boobs were obviously implants and they're really her main defining feature. In my social circle guys don't like implants (big natural ones, yes.) so I saw that as a flaw, not an asset. Fake boobs aren't in where I'm from- it's about fit/toned bodies, trim waists and big (but natural) butts. The ideal boob is natural and perky, maybe not huge but natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 03:07 PM
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I actually think his facial structure is pretty good. On pay with girl 3. But her skin and hair are great, his not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 03:04 PM
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Calm down. I personally don't find these people attractive nor do I think their behavior is healthy. But in order to sleep with that many people, OTHER women must find them attractive. It's not all about what I want or what I think. Because what I think is that they're kinda gross. Others clearly disagree. My "ideal partner" is my husband (I know these people through him very tangentially) and he's nothing like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 02:18 PM
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Fair enough then my mistake !
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 12:18 AM
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Yeah but it's like a woman saying "I don't like guys who lift, I just like guys who are naturally muscular without doing anything." Unless you like plain or ugly girls, which I assume you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 12:11 AM
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I don't care MUCH about height (I prefer at least my height but I'm not tall and it's not a deal breaker) and I have always gravitated towards guys with mild mental illness (anxiety for example)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 12:10 AM
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Ohh true
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 12:05 AM
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My comment addressed the OP directly. This guys response was basically "who cares if I'm a hypocrite" which isn't debate at all. Then he just decided to talk about how I'm mean and this sub sucks. If you can actually point out where I "went on a tangent" that'd be cool, although I have a feeling you'll just pick a perfectly normal thing I said and refer to it as a tangent so why am I bothering
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/17 12:00 AM
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Other than politely apologizing I'm not sure where I veered off topic but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 11:47 PM
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A lot of people get pickier as they get older, actually. I'm sure life experiences causes you to learn against choosing XYZ traits. Not a bad thing!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 11:25 PM
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Oh, my mistake, I thought it said she slept with abhorrent people who she didn't even find attractive. Even then though...that's pretty weird. It's one thing to sleep with a hot person who's boring but...abhorrent? Either she has weird issues with sex, or she's downplaying how much she liked them to appease OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 11:23 PM
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lol well, fair enough. I don't mean to be malicious, it's never my intention. I apologize if I was mean, albeit unintentionally. Really just here for some laughs and interesting topics!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 11:21 PM
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gold
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 11:19 PM
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I'm guessing she's slept with way more people than you? I mean, I don't blame you for finding that to be a turnoff, I consider it pretty weird that she's slept with people she doesn't even find attractive. I don't see the hypocrisy here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 11:08 PM
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I'm not clicking it because I don't want porn to pop up, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 11:03 PM
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lol not clicking that link, can someone tell me what it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 11:02 PM
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Theyre clearly not looking for wives though are they lol. They also probably dont want to look like hypocrites. Ha, they claim they are. One is engaged actually, after many years of promiscuity. The other says he wants a wife, but frankly I don't think he does and I don't think any woman would want to marry him. He does lots of drugs and is probably not husband material. It could be that if you sew your wild oats enough, you have fulfilled your strategy and are less jealous that your partner has…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 11:02 PM
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This isn't a debate sub, never was. It is, that's literally the point, but if you don't like it, nobody's forcing to you stay! Every week, either the blue or red side goes on a Trump-esque tantrum complaining that this sub is biased. A bunch of blue pillers were over on TBP earlier this year saying they quit PPD because it was a red circle jerk. I think it's pretty even tbh, and most people are just looking for interesting discussion. Considering your last post was to attempt to shame rollo, wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:57 PM
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I'm not sure how I committed libel, I asked if it was him and then answered to myself that it wasn't. lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:52 PM
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And... even if it were true. who the fuck cares? I'm not fucking men, their behaviours aren't in my wheelhouse. I'm concerned about your shit. Equivicate all you want, it's not going to make me wash my hands of it and go back to cuckville. Call me a hypocrite, I'll be a happier hypocrite. This is the issue with TRP. If you want to operate under the "let's just discuss what facts are helpful for me personally to get laid" then sure, if it actually helps you to get laid to discuss how women are al…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:41 PM
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It might not be him, or it was deleted. There was a long-form essay entitled "Deconstruct the Female" (or maybe it was dismantle the female? idk) and it mentioned all the ways men don't realize women are actually ugly and maybe you want to have sex with them but let's be honest vaginas are icky. There was a line that said if you look at any middle aged couple, she's ugly and he's hot (which makes me wonder why they think the middle aged man is hot?) This might have been some other well known man…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:32 PM
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is this guy the same one who wrote that poetic long-form essay about how when you really think about it, women are ugly and vaginas are gross?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:22 PM
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lol now that I really think about it, he's definitely lying. He does sleep around a lot though. I'm not sure how many are prostitutes, but most are extremely drunk. He's past his heyday, but he still gets lucky sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:17 PM
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We say "but men do it too" because we know the manosphere operates under the assumption that men are superior to women in every way so anything negative said about women has the implicit "and this is why women are worse than men" addendum. I say the same thing when talking to women who, in a fit of male-bashing, feel the need to bring up that "Men are shallow." My first response is "So are women." That's not to say that women and men are exactly the same, but using something that both genders do…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 10:03 PM
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You can tell he was, if you will, a "Chad" when he was younger. He's just older now. And I think he has sex with women of all ages. Usually fueled by a lot of drugs/alcohol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:33 PM
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A lot of women see losing their virginity as a very emotional thing. I could be old fashioned in this regard, but I was like that. A guy dumping you after being your 4th partner might suck or whatever but if it's your 1st it can be pretty devastating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:13 PM
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He's well into middle age and having sex with random women has been his #1 pastime since he was in college, he claims 1000 or so, but he could be exaggerating. Either way it's a lot. I wouldn't be surprised if some were prostitutes though, that's a good point. I wouldn't say he's rich but he's well off. He's good looking for his age but not attractive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 09:12 PM
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So I don't disagree with the OP, but I do want to add on that in addition to this, there might be another reason. Men who are less sexually experienced are more likely to have a problem with an experienced woman. Call it "wanting your equivalent" or call it "insecurity." Either works, who knows any individual's motive. But at the end of the day, a guy who is experieced/confident about his sexual history probably won't care as much as a guy who isn't experienced. And the experienced guy is most l…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 08:52 PM
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I don't know these particular people's situation, but birth control fails pretty often. What type were they using? If they claimed to be infertile or using IUDs, then yeah, that's probably suspect, but the pill and/or condoms fail pretty often. Most people don't remember to take the pill properly, and most people don't put condoms on properly. If those women actually did get pregnant on purpose, it's dumb af. On the one hand, he might marry her (and it won't be a happy marriage, ofc, he's more l…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 07:38 PM
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Their advice for getting casual sex is probably somewhat effective since most of it is just based on looking better and being confident. Their advice for marriage is pretty terrible, I would personally hate to be married to the assholes in MRP. I think they take somewhat-true things about women as a whole and extrapolate them to absurd and paranoid levels (nobody spermjacks, come on), but since most women are trying to avoid red pillers, I don't care if they avoid women and I applaud them wrappi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 06:22 PM
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Well in that case, fair enough. At least you don't subscribe to men being perfect loyal romantics like many red pillers do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/17 02:24 AM
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substantial evidence shows otherwise Just to be clear, all evidence points to men cheating on their wives more often than the other way around (something like 95% of Ashley Madison was men) (also a few sources said women and men cheat the same amount but I haven't seen any legitimate sources saying women cheat more.) Men are also more likely to leave their wives if they go blind or get a terminal illness. If we're just looking at "evidence" then women are by far the more loyal gender, although b…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 11:45 PM
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also how much of it is what she's driven to do? I don't think women are always right or anything, there clearly are women out there who treat their husbands badly just because they fail to excite them, but half the stories I read on MRP are beyond guys who are just unattractive...they're huge assholes and I wonder why their wives didn't divorce them a long time ago. Many of them refuse to help out around the house or do anything with their kids. None of them seem to respect their wives, or even …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 11:41 PM
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Why does it make you feel bad? All men want the 21 year old, just our nature. Yes but 21 year olds want other 21 year olds. When a guy who's in his 50s hits on me I assume he thinks I'm closer to his age, either that or he's just very oblivious and cocky.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 10:59 PM
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Oh, I guess I didn't really consider that status because it's just a job lol. My uncle is a very rich doctor but I don't see him as having "status" just being successful. I always thought status meant you are famous in some way or people would recognize you, outside of your coworkers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 05:44 PM
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I mean, I guess I would consider that cool and it makes a person seem like an interesting type of guy, but it wouldn't really factor into casual sex attraction, more like relationship attraction: this guy is interesting, that's cool, maybe we have stuff to talk about. Then again I don't do casual sex so there's very little that would influence me to ever have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 05:40 PM
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What you're describing is him being rich, not him having status. I'm always so confused about what "status" ordinary people on TRP think they have. Are they famous? Are they politicians? Because being the Team Lead on an engineering team isn't really status, that's just a career. Also, no, status has never really factored into my mind as long as there's a baseline of like...has a normal social circle, isn't a complete outcast.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 05:32 PM
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Right, I see what you mean, but I'm kinda confused about how much "prestige" any normal person can really have. When i see red pillers talking about their "status and power" I'm like...what are you the CEO of GE or something? Are you Russel Brand? What kind of status and power does a normal person have? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 05:27 PM
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This is pretty much my answer. Except I'm a bit confused about what status means in RMV. Ordinary people generally don't have any status, unless the baseline for 0% status is being a homeless person with no friends. If 30% status means "must be reasonably gainfully employed with a somewhat normal social life" then I agree. And actually, despite what TRP, the same would probably apply to men. A lot of men I know would never date a woman who had no job or couldn't contribute financially. It's unre…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 04:06 PM
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It's annoying to be hit on by anyone who can't take a hint or anyone who is being disrespectful. It's not annoying to be hit on by someone who isn't good looking. I'm married so my answer to everyone is no, and it's really just a matter of who can accept it gracefully and who acts like a dick about it. My one exception is guys who are old enough to be my dad. It just creeps me out. I'd much rather get hit on by an ugly guy my age...the former just makes me feel bad about myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 03:54 PM
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1.) I wanna say 7, but the hair/style is going to make her un-sexual and invisible to a lot of men so she might be read as 6 for that reason. Upon second reflection, I think she's probably one of the prettiest of the group but isn't dressing or grooming in an alluring way and idk what her body looks like. 2.) Probably 7-8, but it's hard to say since it seems to be mostly due to grooming. With short hair she'd probably be less attractive than girl 1. 3.) 5-6, if she fixed her teeth and toned up s…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/17 03:50 PM
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That evidence relates to "men" in general. I DO NOT THINK MEN IN GENERAL HAVE HIGH STANDARDS. I think men of the manosphere have ridiculously high standards. Statistics and studies about men in general being thirsty ass mofos doesn't mean anything because I am not talking about men in general. Unless you have a graph about red pillers specifically dating women who are their confirmed physical equal by a board of neutral parties, these aren't what I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 11:02 PM
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Inb4 "Blake lively is a 3, I don't get the point"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 10:31 PM
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This doesn't even remotely address your argument that most couples include a good looking man and an ugly woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 09:55 PM
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See comments: https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/5w6i0o/does_the_average_young_woman1824_have_an_easier/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 09:02 PM
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I wonder who they think hot women date.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 07:52 PM
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Ha well I disagree but at least you're consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 07:49 PM
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I found it! https://np.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/5omz4t/feminism_tells_them_to_expect_everything_and_the/ (That guys back calf clearly makes him a 8/10!)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 07:49 PM
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Ok well I don't think this is the normal RP perspective. I personally think a guy can absolutely be extremely attractive if he's under 6'...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/17 07:46 PM
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The funny thing is, I've seen guys from foreveralone or incels post photos of themselves (obviously not that many) and the ones who post photos are rarely ugly. Maybe they're average, or slightly awkward-looking, but I know guys who look that way who have girlfriends. I'm not saying looks don't matter- these guys might have a hard time attracting very hot women. But I hung out with a huge group of nerds in college, and trust me when I say there were love triangles and hookups between short, skin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/16 02:29 AM
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Well they never seem to question why a young attractive woman would be interested in an older wealthy guy. Most likely she is in it for money. But admitting that would ruin their whole philosophy that men get infinitely hotter as they age.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/16 12:37 AM
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well thats insane. I will always be thin, because I take this very seriously, but I will not always be young.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 08:57 AM
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That could be true, there are some women who love casual sex too, I just wouldn't think they'd be the majority. Maybe it's a bit sexist of me but I think women tie sex and emotion way more than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 03:54 AM
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Oh, of course, yeah. I'm not saying people should marry nice people they aren't attracted to, that's like the ultimate Neckbeard Credo. Just that if looks are the only or main thing, as opposed to a mandatory thresshold before personality is evaluated, that's a bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 03:46 AM
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Most women can't get commitment super easily, they can just get sex easily. When it comes to getting commitment men and women are probably on equal playing fields.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 03:45 AM
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You're probably right about that, a lot of people are swayed by attraction. But a lot of marriages also fail because people just married someone they found attractive and ignored glaring red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 03:42 AM
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so you're saying unattractive men are more likely to rape than attractive ones? In that case I guess women are justified in avoiding them and finding them creepy then? (for the record, I don't think this. I don't think looks determines who rapes the most. and I know conventionally "unattractive" men who are wonderful boyfriends/husbands to their wives/girlfriends. But it's a bizarre thing to assert if you do believe it...)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 03:38 AM
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Well, being fun is pretty important, but if those women aren't factoring in whether or not the guy is a decent or trustworthy person then they're morons too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 03:37 AM
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For casual sex it doesn't matter, but if you're spending your entire life with someone, they're not going to be hot for the vast majority of that time, unless you both die super young. Obviously physical attraction is mandatory, but most people would agree that marrying someone with a shitty personality just because they're hot is an incredibly stupid idea because once they get less hot, you're stuck with a spouse with a shitty personality. If two potential spouses cross the thresshold for being…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 03:33 AM
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When did I do either of those thing, or even imply that women are worthless when they age? Sorry, by "you" I meant TRP in general. The general trope is that "Har har women you think you're worth something but we only care about looks, you're so fucked once you turn 30, har har!" Nothing. It was like a sarcastic form of "yeah I know that already". You're attracted to each other, obviously. Because it matters, a lot. Oh ok fair. I don't think you understand me. I acknowledge that it's about more t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 03:08 AM
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Totally. And I don't even think this is a gender-different thing. At 20, I would never EVER have wanted to be with a mid-30s balding guy. But now, looking at my husband, if he's bald in his mid-30s I'll still think he's hot and adorable (this isn't the case for him now but I'm just guessing based on family history). I won't IGNORE the fact that he's aged, I'll definitely notice it, and if he happens to age badly I'll notice that too, but because I love him and feel very deeply for him, beyond th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 03:05 AM
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Well, that's my belief. The men I know in happy relationships chose their girlfriends/wives off of several factors. Obviously attraction was a big one, but they needed to be with someone they could actually see as a partner, someone they could have fun with and talk to. I do know a few guys who filter solely based on looks, and shockingly they have terrible love lives and always complain about how mean women are to them. Yeah maybe because they don't select for personality whatsoever? Nahh.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 03:03 AM
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He's probably arguing that men are incapable of noticing that you're aging if you start the marriage young, OR that if you get married it's impossible for the man to ever leave or lose attraction, and both of these things are obviously not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 02:57 AM
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Sure. Get married when you are 20 if you're so worried about it. I did get married young, but this isn't about me personally. Wife goggles is really not a thing, if it were, men wouldn't trade up as soon as better, younger options become available. Men on MRP wouldn't be bragging about how hot young women are constantly checking them out and talking about how haggy and old and low SMV their wives are getting while they just keep getting hotter and hotter. If men are only attracted to women under…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 02:53 AM
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Actually, a lot of feminists do have a problem with frat culture. Like, a lot. Rape is a cultural problem, here and elsewhere. It's undeniable that men are far more likely to rape than women, so it's a bit absurd to claim it's a gender-neutral crime, but it's almost certainly a societal and cultural problem. I can't believe you think feminists don't think rape is cultural when they literally say "rape culture" all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 02:19 AM
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Well, at least you're consistent, I'll give you that. Are you going to address how it's impossible for women to look 20 forever? Also, hormones are and should be the driving factor behind casual sex. It would be a bad idea to marry someone you aren't attracted to, but if you are married to them solely or mainly because they're hot (regardless of whether this is looks or just general sex appeal), that's just a stupid idea because that fades fast, especially in the case of looks. Attraction is tre…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 02:17 AM
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but then what would be the fun
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 02:08 AM
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It's not difficult to look good, especially for women. I'd say it's pretty difficult, if not impossible, to look 20 forever. I love my wife because she's a beautiful feminine woman. She loves me because of the things I do and the ways I do them. Of course I enjoy her personality, her behavior, and her sense of humor. But if that was the first thing I look for in a marriage, I'd be gay. Of course, she also enjoys my stunning good looks and god-like body. But none of that would matter if I didn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 02:07 AM
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lol that's true, plus on the starter wife thread a bunch of red pillers suggest marrying the most socially inept unattractive guy you can find and devoting your life to pleasing him and never caring about your own concerns. I am pretty sure most women would rather be celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 01:47 AM
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It happens, but it's not most women's first choice, at that point his resources will be more of the allure as opposed to raw sexual attraction. All studies on this topic point to women being most attracted to men their own age and a few years older, with a limit being somewhere around 7 years older. Plus, if divorce is something you want to avoid, the risk of divorce actually increases with an age gap. Couples the same age or just a few years apart have way lower chances of divorce. Of course if…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 01:47 AM
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lol. Men are true romantics and love you for who you are as long as you're a 8/10+ (even if he's ugly, who cares, he deserves it), under 25 (I guess if you age past that you should have the good sense to exile yourself on an island). Who cares about your personality, that's not who you are! Who you are is solely how you will look for 10 years of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 01:45 AM
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Well I'm asking people to reconcile it, because it makes no sense. If men love women for "who they are," meaning "being young and hot" then men don't really love women at all, they just lust after them. Nobody is young and hot forever. Meanwhile, a man who is fun to be around, interesting and emotionally compatible can be that way forever. If red pillers want to say "Men are shallow and that's life" then that's fine. But they also have to consistently go on about how men are these loyal altruist…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 01:41 AM
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I remember this. I thought the outrage was ridiculous. I'm a woman, and not at all red pill by any stretch of the imagination, but I already knew it was dangerous to drink while pregnant and I would never do it. They weren't even trying to pass a law preventing it, they were just spreading this information. I don't see what's so evil about that- if I were pregnant I'd want to know what not to do! The whole "you can't tell women what to do with their bodies" thing makes sense if people are trying…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 01:31 AM
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Hopefully this counts as "disagreement" but okay, rape will never be 0% eradicated, just like murder will never be 0% eradicated. However, there are many cultures in which rape is far more prevalent than in the US, which means there are cultural and societal factors to it. These cultures, incidentally, are the cultures in which women are more likely to be seen as property. What's funny to me is that many of my fellow feminists don't want to say anything about it because they don't want to be cul…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 01:29 AM
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So first of all, I think many of these issues do have merit and I think it's unfortunate they aren't being addressed as often as they could be. However, I think the feminist complaint is that men only bring these topics up when something comes up about women, and they feel the need to derail it with "Yeah but men experience ___." And usually, the only thing they're ACTUALLY upset about is lack of casual sex. Like, if a guy wants to talk to me about men being more likely to commit suicide, that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 01:26 AM
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This is definitely true, I saw a guy on TRP who said he was in his late 40s or 50s talk about how he gets "dozens" of college aged women showing him "signs of interest" every day. He later elaborated these signs included things like touching their hair in his presence. Dude I touch my hair constantly, lol, it has nothing to do with checking a guy out, I have no idea how someone can live in such a state of delusion. Nobody called him out either, they were all like "Sweet, I can't wait to be 40 so…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 01:21 AM
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This. And actually, this is why I really doubt the radfem claims that men and women are exactly the same and only society makes them different. If this were the case, there wouldn't be trans people. Gender roles, on the other hand, are largely defined by society, but they do have a biological origin.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/16 01:05 AM
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Maybe at work, but if I'm at a nightclub I want everyone to think my husband is a lucky man hehe
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:52 PM
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It's a big part of it. Maybe it has to do with how mainstream third wave feminism is becoming, but idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:34 PM
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It's totally a real thing. More androgynous styles are being embraced. Also it's just a fashion backlash to the huge Paris Hilton/Kim K/Britney Spears styles of the 2000s.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:25 PM
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Oh no, by "we" I meant my husband. I don't know those women anymore haha
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:19 PM
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haha it's ok. Those girls were aholes and I never considered them friends, barely acquaintances (which was why it was so funny that they suddenly knew everything about me). We laugh about it now!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:17 PM
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It doesn't really bother me anymore. It was more of a detriment when I was single and trying to be taken seriously for a relationship but now that I'm married it's mostly funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:16 PM
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Yeah. I've had people actually tell me they were "shocked" to find out I'm not promiscuous or that I'm married. I guess I should take offense but maybe they just think my boobs are big or something, which case...compliment received
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:14 PM
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Oh, I don't, that was what someone else on this thread suggested.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:13 PM
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I mean wouldn't women be irritated or upset if a man suddenly stopped sex?? Like I said earlier (sorry for repeating myself, but the comment seemed more appropriate here), even if a man doesn't stop sex, it's unlikely the woman will have an orgasm and most men don't want to do the foreplay necessary to make it happen before sex. I guarantee you that way more women leave sex without an orgasm than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:02 PM
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Denying a man an orgasm is sub human behavior. You do realize the vast majority of women don't get orgasms from sex, and most men don't care enough to get them to orgasm before sex, right? And that's not even an issue of personal autonomy or feeling uncomfortable, usually it's just laziness. Also I don't think that is subhuman either, just lazy and not ideal. But whatever, I can deal. Also, obligatory: I'm not talking about guys' dicks not being big enough. Most women are more than happy with av…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:01 PM
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like I said, idc if they prefer younger women as long as they don't bitch about women preferring XYZ traits in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 10:45 PM
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except they think 50 year old guys are hot, but we'll just ignore that fetish. I get it though, when I was 20 I thought 29 year old guys were old and gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 10:44 PM
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This is prob the best explanation for this
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 08:08 PM
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Lol ok, so no studies are at all worthwhile unless the person quoting them personally knew all the participants?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 07:18 PM
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Then what's the point in any studies? Also, in this particular one, they didn't know they were being "studied." It just measured their behavior in online dating. They rate people from 1-5 as they look at their profiles and women consistently preferred men their own age while men preferred women in their 20s. Their behavior of who they messaged also confirmed this theory. Unless your theory is that women rated men their age highest and messaged men their age the most because they were paranoid th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 06:30 PM
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No, you're right, I haven't met Verne Troyer yet but WHEN I DO...mmmm
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 06:22 PM
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are you a professional quote maker
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:56 PM
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I would argue that older women are a fetish for a lot of young guys, but it doesn't translate to relationships. I'm in my 20s and married so this isn't me projecting or anything, just seeing how it is. I do know older women who are more than capable of finding a man their own age who is decently attractive, but those older women are always in decent shape and fun to be around. Not that it should be shocking or anything. By older, btw, I mean middle aged. All the early 30s women I know, who are a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:45 PM
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In this situation no woman can ever prove you wrong, because if someone said "well I've never had a ONS" the argument is just "well you haven't met the right guy yet." Using this logic, you could argue that all lesbians would go straight if they met the right guy, and the ones who are still gay just haven't met him yet. Plenty of women find ONS to be disgusting, including myself. The closest thing to it, for me, is having sex with a guy who I had been on a few dates with, and it was going in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:43 PM
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The study didn't indicate a strong preference at all though. It just talked about the amount of offspring. And no, there is a huge difference between a guy 10 years older and 1 year older. It's not just that "older men are better." Women consistently prefer men "a few" years older, or their own age. Would I date a 30 year old? Sure, I'm in my late 20s so I consider that basically "my age." Would I date a 35 year old? Maybe, if there was nothing wrong with him and he still looked good. Would I da…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:37 PM
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Well a lot of comments in the thread are saying women are demanding thin men or hot men despite being fat (sometimes true, for sure) but there are so many men on /r/choosingbeggars who are obese, listing themselves as "average" and asking for "fit" women between the ages of 18-25 (and the guy is 40)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:13 PM
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Well I said women preferred men their age and 'a few' years older. Your study also didn't show women preferring men of any age, just the amount of offspring. That said, if I were single I'd date a guy 4-6 years older than me if he didn't look like shit. My husband is older than me by a few years, just not enough to be a big deal or qualify him as an "older man." I mean, would it be a May December relationship if one person was 1 year older than the other? Anyway if your argument is that women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:12 PM
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Shockingly this subject isn't the top priority of Harvard scientists these days so I made do. I assume you have tons of peer reviewed studies about how women think they're hotter than they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:04 PM
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Not really, I married young to a guy I find really hot. This is just what I noticed on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:02 PM
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Well he was just so funny. He inspired my next novel idea
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:01 PM
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Wow I like you and I normally don't like trp
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 04:54 PM
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Yep. My fattest friends (male and female) are in very happy relationships. The shortest guy I know (shorter than a lot of women) does great with women (it helps that he's good looking). I know one guy who literally never gets women's attention. He makes good money and is decent looking, but is extremely shallow and terrible at talking to girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 04:53 PM
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But...isn't that what men also hear
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 02:48 AM
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So being told the other sex will love you for you causes men to be kind and loving, but causes women to be spoiled? .....seems legit
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 02:20 AM
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Why would a study from 1992 be more relevant today than a study from the late 2010s?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 01:30 AM
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Kind of. Before I met my husband this guy was very persistent in asking me out. Something about him just seemed off, but I convinced myself I was just being too picky. I agreed to go out with him. He referenced himself as being nice quite often but he was a huge douche. Bragged about dick size, asked sexual questions, also he was boring. I gave him a 2nd date and even a 3rd one because I didn't think anyone else would want me but eventually when I told him I couldn't do it he called me a cold bi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 12:45 AM
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See, I actually do think rejections should be polite. At least as polite as the approach. If a guy approaches you with "Send nudes???" then you can be as rude as you want because he's being rude. If a guy approaches you with "hey, I see you like folk music, what's your favorite band? Want to see a show sometime?" then the rejection should be more along the lines of "Thanks for the message, but I'm sorry, I'm not interested."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 12:02 AM
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Most of these men are receiving a significant amount of influence from the women in their lives. It could be mothers, sisters, friends, etc. The relatives especially are NOT likely to say, "If you want girls, you gotta be ripped, you gotta be masculine, etc." Most of the older relatives especially won't really understand what the current landscape is for attraction. Totally true, but I just wonder why women are able to grasp it (usually) while men aren't? Growing up nobody ever told me I had to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 12:01 AM
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Well he PMed the transcripts to a few people so I didn't personally read them. I also don't want to needlessly mock the poor guy. But basically he apparently kept asking women about the exact locations of the places they went, what time they went there, etc. It seemed (to him) like he was just showing interest in their lives, but a lot of the commenters said it came off like an interview, or worse, like he was trying to stalk them or figure out where they lived. There was nothing flirty or jokey…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:49 PM
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Well, I never said "All men are crazy verbal assaulting weirdos." Most men are fine people. I'm not generalizing men at all, just focusing on a minority who behave this way. Most of those women that blamed all men for their problems were only pursuing attractive men who all had visible red flags. Also true of a lot of men tbh. If a woman is hot they don't notice anything else wrong with her, and men are way more likely to go out of their league than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:47 PM
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Yeah, I'm in my late 20s and I feel like the oldest person at so many of the bars I go to. It's crazy how many people think they've "aged out" of going out, when honestly I see no end in sight for myself (I'm married so not going to meet men, I go with my husband). I'm guessing you're in places with mostly younger women. Anyway, if that's what you want and it's working for you then that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:46 PM
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Imagine getting an interview and for every 10 or 20 applications, and then never getting hired. This largely was my job search experience and is for most people, it's a numbers game. I was really frustrated but I never had like a weird moment where I thought everyone was horrible except me. I did have moments where I was really down on MYSELF like "nobody will ever hire me" but it was more hating myself than hating the hiring managers. Although eventually I did get a job, but yeah, up until then…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:42 PM
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that's a big part of FA in some circles (see tumblrinaction, for example) but FA is a small part of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:29 PM
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omg those were the best. I think they still exist. I think my fave was the one that implied it was hypocritical for women to think the Holocaust was bad, but then to also not be attracted to men of certain ethnicities, because genocide is as bad as just not fucking someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:28 PM
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That is why you end up with such a gap and lapse in understanding of attraction. Okay, that is probably true, but I still feel like most guys are able to understand "the women like these men because they're hot and put up with them being assholes" as opposed to "women don't care about looks and just want someone who is nice" or "women just want you to be an asshole regardless of everything else." But like I said before, I sympathize with the minority of people who have a hard time reading social…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:23 PM
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It depends on the users- some probably do want to see TRP removed but I honestly think the majority (maybe a less vocal majority) would be pretty pissed if TRP went away bc they'd no longer have satire material. It's very similar to /r/TumblrInAction that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:09 PM
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Just pointing out that if feminism had anything to do with getting more attention from hot men, lesbians wouldn't GAF about it, but my experiences are that lesbians are way more likely to identify as feminists than straight women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:07 PM
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Maybe they're just protected bruised egos by blaming the women Well yes, I think I would agree here, lol. That still doesn't make their behavior remotely reasonable or logical. And, come to think of it, I have turned down guys who I knew were considered more objectively attractive because I personally wasn't attracted, yet there were other guys I really liked despite knowing they weren't considered attractive by others. I don't think I'm unusual in this regard. So that's partially why guys who t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:59 PM
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Lots of people on Reddit and on this sub, lol. But I'm glad to hear you're not one of them. See my response elsewhere in this thread with the Tinder screenshots and you'll see what I mean. "hey sexy wanna send pics?" "No, I'm not interested." "You're ugly anyway, you're just a 4, you think you're good enough to reject me?"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:58 PM
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I doubt men on red pill debate subs on Reddit are all super hot. Reddit skews very nerdy and the few times any people on this sub have posted pics of themselves they were fairly average.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:46 PM
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I've been (well, I wouldn't call it verbal assault) but lashed out at in person for rejecting men. And the reason I was rejecting them was that I was already in a relationship, so it wasn't even personal. You'd be surprised. I often get told that I'm cocky, delusional, "don't flatter yourself" even though the guy was hitting on me, a total stranger, a mere few seconds ago. That said, I'd say 60% of the guys who hit on me take rejection gracefully, but I'm rejecting them because I'm in a relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:45 PM
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It was. What I'm saying is- men on this sub who I'm assuming are mostly average themselves (as most people are) go on and on about how reasonable men's standards are, but still bashed average-looking women for being "ugly." In addition, they felt it was no accomplishment for significantly overweight/unattractive men to get average-looking women, supporting my hypothesis that for most men, hot women are the only ones who "count." These same men bitch about women doing the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:37 PM
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I agree shy women have it better than shy men (see my comment) but I do want to point out that really, not all women get approached all the time. I have friends who literally never do (and I really mean never- like not even by guys they find repulsive). I think it's because less attractive men are more likely to be nervous about approaching women, so a woman who is below average may have men who would conceivably be interested in her if they weren't nervous about it, but they never approach beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:36 PM
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Okay, but 6 is above average and all of those guys are below average minus maybe the first one (I actually see him as a guy who is average or slightly above but maybe taking an unflattering pic, and I think his wife is actually prettier than the last girl, but that's just taste). My understanding was that in general, the girls were average or slightly above, and the guys were unattractive, so the guys were doing pretty well for themselves. That was the point of the OP. The red pill comments were…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:32 PM
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My understanding is that "nice guys" believe they are great catches but are single because they're too smart/nice. Basically, the equivalent of women who think they're rejected because they're so "intimidating" when really, they're ugly/annoying/going out of their league, etc. Or women who think they get rejected because "Men only like sluts and I'm a good girl." Incels are a bit more of a diverse group since it just means people who are involuntarily celibate, but generally I see incels believi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:30 PM
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Disclaimer: I'm very much NOT RP. Are you talking about the workplace or dating? Because I do think men are more often taken seriously in their careers but as far as dating goes, I think it's harder for shy men since men are expected to do the approaching. Not that it's a walk in the park for shy women either, but shy men have the "ball in their court" so to speak, and run the risk of just never interacting with women. Whereas a shy woman may still be approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:23 PM
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That's all true. I also notice that the vast majority of people with halfway decent personalities eventually marry or pair off with their physical equivalent. The only hopelessly single people I know are not that way because of their looks, in fact they are rarely the least attractive people in their circle. It's usually major social and psychological issues that cause their problems, combined with really insane standards (for both genders.) Of course these are people who are 25-35. There are pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:19 PM
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The problem is not that women have standards, it is that most men are not aware of what is entailed in a woman's standards. I feel like most men are smart enough to know what a good-looking man looks like. As for social skills, that's another thing that most people generally have a decent understanding of, but I do sympathize with people who are on the spectrum or otherwise socially awkward and can't read cues as well. Even at 40 though, a woman who isn't fat is still likely to have many more su…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:16 PM
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I agree with all this, although to be fair this isn't directed specifically at red pillers because I know they don't all agree with this particular sentiment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:10 PM
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If this were the case, why on Earth would lesbians have such a prominent place in feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:01 PM
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I'm more referring to people who do think that. I'm aware the majority of people are reasonable, but Reddit has quite a few subsets of people who aren't. And have you actually not heard guys calling women bitchy or entitled for turning down men despite "not being that hot?" If you go to creepypms and the like, tons of guys after getting rejected politely, will lash out at the woman and say things like "How dare you turn me down, you're a 6, I could do so much better, you're not even hot." Like s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 09:55 PM
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I'm exactly the same, although my husband is within my range.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 12:23 AM
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holy shit, I'm definitely most attracted to guys my age and probably always will be but I can't imagine guys OBJECTIVELY peaking in late 30s. I'm sure when I'm 38 I'll find guys in their late 30s to be the best looking but most guys lose hair by then, testosterone is already on the decline and most guys by that age are fat (the few who aren't look nice, but still too old for me to find hot at 27 and definitely too old for me to have found hot at 18). maybe just different strokes, haha
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 12:23 AM
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Good question, but it's kind of like asking someone why they're gay or straight. It just is. Like I recall when I was 8 being attracted to other 8 year olds but obviously I'm not attracted to 8 year olds now. It seems really natural that as I get older I'm more attracted to people who are older (as in, my age). I know OKC studies are the gospel around here and the women's age preferences matched what I'm saying. It wouldn't feel sexy being with a guy who was too old, and if I was with a guy who …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 12:19 AM
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Good looks, funny, interesting to talk to, charismatic, not a dick. That's what makes a man attractive, however what makes a man a good relationship partner is all of those things + good values, compassion, ability to be a parent, ability to make a steady income, etc. I separate "not a dick" and "compassion" because it's basically baseline to not be a gigantic asshole but I would only be in a serious relationship with someone who was actually a genuinely good person as opposed to someone who is …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 10:19 PM
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I think objectively speaking, everyone is the most attractive in their 20s. For me personally, I think men are most attractive at 25-34 because that's about how old I am (27). I'm sure when I'm 40 I'll think men 37-50 are the hottest. That's the good thing about women, actually, the age that we find most attractive actually changes as we get older. When I was 18 I wasn't attracted to anyone over 25, but now I'm not attracted to anyone under 25. Of course men will argue that all 18 year olds thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 10:17 PM
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lol ok
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 07:44 PM
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Nobody wants to commit to ugly women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 07:43 PM
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I agree this sub has majorly declined, but I'm surprised it bothers you because it's like 80% red pill now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 07:04 PM
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Oh, well I don't disagree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 05:59 PM
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The gender ratio is 50-50 in most places. If below average girls only want to date average guys they'll lose out to the girls who match those guys in looks. I do believe that people at the way bottom of the spectrum often are lonely but disinterested in each other. That's where hitting the gym could help.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 05:44 PM
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Eh, I mean, I think really good looking assholes still attract plenty of women with terrible priorities, but I think a chubby guy who is charismatic and fun will do a lot better than that same guy who just complains and argues with ppl.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 05:31 PM
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For casual sex, not commitment. For an actual relationship women generally date their equal physically. Why? Because of the men who even want relationships, the best looking ones already have the option to date the best looking girls, and you can only have one LTR at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 05:29 PM
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I know you don't disagree with me, but just adding that I think one of the reasons my short/fat male friends have a few partners a year is that they're actually fun to hang with. They're funny, interesting, optimistic, and not jerks. The people I know who never manage to find sex or love are never the ugliest ones, they're the ones with shitty personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 05:21 PM
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Getting laid a few times a year is THAT uncommon? Well at least on the bright side now we know you can be short, or fat, and middle class and still be a top Alpha male.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 04:32 PM
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Please quote where I said they were Casanovas lol. I said they "occasionally" got laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 04:21 PM
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They're my husbands friends and they tell us about their dating lives, usually asking him for advice and I'm there too. I don't know the details of the sex they have, just that it occurs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 04:20 PM
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We must just come from other areas. Where I'm from, people date and have sex with others who are basically their physical equivalent, minus one extremely thirsty dude I know who puts it out there SO MUCH that he's had sex with women all over the spectrum, sheerly because of trial and error. I have unattractive female friends too. None of them have sex with hot guys. Some of them have boyfriends who are equally matched to them, some of them have had casual sex with guys who are of varying degrees…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 04:06 PM
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I actually don't think I have a more active prefrontal cortex. I'm mentally ill so I'd venture a lot of my choices (even ones that are healthy) are caused by that anxiety I suffer with. Still, not going to complain, if they benefit me!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 04:00 PM
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Well, the women are just as attractive as the men. My fat male friend dates and has sex with fat women. My average looking male friend dates and has sex with average looking women. Both of these men would prefer the casual sex option than the dating option. ETA to say, the casual sex they've had has generally been ONS as opposed to consistent arragements with one person, but they've had casual sex, yes. |Maybe she dates him. Maybe she is his GF. But be his fuckbuddy? Go home with him for a night…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:58 PM
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See the fat, white, broke, toothless dudes on Maury cheating on their girlfriends. They're not drug dealers, they're just poor and unattractive, but they manage. They're dating within their own unattractive pool, yes, but they're dating. As for unattractive women getting some sexual attention, it's true, they do, but most of them realize they are ugly. Most of them also realize the sexual attention they are getting is "Can I use you as a masturbatory device and then feel ashamed about it later?"…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:56 PM
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Once or twice a month is the upper end. I said for other guys it's just a few times a year. But the point is, I'm including men who have qualities that RP has designated as 100% unattractive. I mean, look at Maury. Guys on that show are broke, fat, ugly AF and not only have girlfriends, but cheat on their girlfriends. My guy friends, even the ones who aren't good looking, are fun to be around. It's not at all surprising that they'd be able to hook up with or date looks-matched women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:53 PM
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Women have outnumbered men in university for a long time. This was talked about back when I was in middle school.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:49 PM
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Oh, that stuff was going on 8 years ago. My gosh, I'm not 90. At my school we had a different feminism or racial insensitivity related scandal every week. I admit the tumblr crowd is more vocal now than they were 30 years ago, but that stuff was definitely going on when I was in school. The Internet makes it easier for anyone with extremist opinions to be heard, so most likely this started happening in the mid-late 2000s.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:28 PM
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Ohh, gotcha. Fair enough!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 03:16 PM
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Of course not. The only unconditional love that exists is a parent's love for their child and even that isn't unconditional all of the time. I don't think very many men would still love their wives if they cheated or murdered someone or became a neo Nazi, so I think it's fair to say men don't love unconditionally, although I can't fault them for it, sometimes there are good reasons to stop loving someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/16 02:40 PM
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Not if you're only traveling to get laid, can't say that's especially enlightened.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 11:00 PM
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Also, ugliness correlates with several other dysgenic traits such as low intelligence and mental instability. Source needed. I guess I can't speak for everyone, but I know that when I was extremely awkward and nerdy (maybe not UGLY, but way too skinny with fucked up teeth, no boobs, nose grew before the rest of my face) I specifically tried to date other awkward boys. I wasn't into fat guys, because I wasn't fat, but a skinny dude with pimples or weird teeth was totally fine in my book. I also f…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 08:23 PM
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Oh, it makes a huge difference in cases like that, but I'm saying when one guy is way better looking than the other, the fact that the other one has "status" or whatever probably won't impact attraction very much. I also wonder what this status is that red pillers claim to have, like if they were famous I doubt they'd be on Reddit, but whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 08:20 PM
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I'm a little confused...if all physically unattractive women are "trash" why can't they just have relationships with other unattractive men? I know plenty of significantly overweight and/or unattractive couples who managed to get together...do you believe LTRs are something that only hot people get?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 07:11 PM
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Honestly, I'm the same way with guys. I really prefer a more routine and comfortable, less risk-taking life, and I don't think a guy who was really into big journeys and extreme activities would be for me. I just like to cuddle and eat cheese.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 07:09 PM
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Guys here think women only travel to have tons of unprotected sex with random guys, probably because that's the only reason they travel and they're solipsistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 07:09 PM
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Women do care a lot about looks (almost as much as men, no matter what PUAs and outlier stories insist) but the only reason they resist admitting it is that they don't want to seem shallow, simple as that. Same with guys actually...maybe guys on this sub admit to caring about looks but a guy friend of mine told me he just wanted someone "nice and cool to hang out with" and when I introduced him to a woman who is nice, cool, smart AND really pretty, he still wasn't interested because he "only lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/16 07:08 PM
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Fair enough, although you're the first red piller I've seen on here with an aversion to teenage girls lol
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:09 PM
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You realize the vast majority of people on this thread-feminist or not- believes it's reasonable, right? I mean, I'd be the first to admit there are some loons from every ideology out there so yes, there are crazy feminists but I would venture that the vast majority of women who believe in equality for the genders are fine with paternity tests. In many case, especially cases where the child was conceived via casual sex or in a non-exclusive relationship, they're pretty much the only reasonable c…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:07 PM
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Well, that's what I did, idk. I lost my virginity at 15 and met my husband at 19, and I was still pretty bad at knowing how to look cute when I was 15, plus abhorrent social skills and terrible . Seems reasonable to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:03 PM
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Nobody should pay for a kid who isn't their own, so it's reasonable for a man to request a paternity test.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 07:00 PM
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What if the husband is the most attractive guy in your history, and the dudes before him were awkward and nerdy?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:57 PM
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I feel like any red piller would say I did, because my husband isn't the person I lost my virginity to (and they consider handjobs and groping sex too anyway, so idk). I definitely had sex with a few people before him, although only one was explicitly casual (it was how I figured out it wasn't for me.) The rest were either serious boyfriends, or people I was dating and trying to be serious with, but it didn't work out due to the fact that in all these cases, all people involved were teenagers. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/16 06:20 PM
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Seriously, the only worthwhile woman is 8+ yet men aren't hypergamous lol ok
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/16 02:53 AM
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Chubby guys do get some love based on their body. That male plus size model is getting tons of attention from women not only because he's good looking but also because he has that teddy bear look with the beard and chub. But of course, he's not morbidly obese. I don't think that amount of women would be into him if he weighed 400 lb.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 06:48 PM
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Chubby guys, probably. ESPECIALLY chubby girls tend to prefer men who are a little bigger because they feel smaller compared to them. Fat guys, probably not, and the only guys who like fat women are like hardcore fetishists, probably not a significant amount of men honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 06:47 PM
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I think all people should pay attention to what people do instead of what they say and I don't think this is limited to women. Men are the same way. Case in point, my male friend kept moaning about how he can't find a "nice girl" to LTR and how girls are too shallow and flighty. So I set him up with a looks-matched female friend of mine (trust me, this isn't a fat girl with a nice personality, she's a really pretty girl who also has a nice personality- she had to take down her online dating prof…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 06:46 PM
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Some do, but I think most of them are turned off by the idea of being wanted only for their money and resources and not because of genuine sexual attraction. Whereas men either don't care why a woman is sleeping with him (ie: because she actually finds him attractive vs. she just wants the lifestyle) or, they convince themselves that any woman who wants them is sexually attracted to money somehow, not just agreeing to tolerate sex with them for the sake of money (two very different things that c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 06:39 PM
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Yep, seriously. Everyone will tell you you're wrong because they dated an 18 year old or whatever, but I don't know even ONE young woman who would date a guy that age, let alone a divorced guy with baggage and half his finances gone. I don't know why there's this belief that all a guy needs to be is middle-aged and divorced and suddenly he has his pick of young women. I mean, he may be able to go a few years younger if he looks good, but if women are so picky why do they think 23 year olds are s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 06:35 PM
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It's not really an attractive trait to anyone, perhaps blue pillers use it to drive home that a guy will be unattractive and old, much the way red pillers lovingly refer to women as "landwhales." It's just yet another undesirable physical trait to make note of, not really any different from any other physical flaw. Also, blue pillers aren't necessarily in the "Never make fun of someone's looks" crowd, they're literally just people who don't agree with RP. They aren't necessarily PC, or feminists…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/16 06:33 PM
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I'm sure it happens, but I mean statistically speaking and in all the studies on male/female infidelity, women tend to start with emotional affairs, people they know through work/friends, etc. I'm not saying that's the case 100% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/16 12:15 AM
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Apologies, it seemed like you were saying "my experience is X, therefore you're an outlier."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 11:35 PM
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I know who my friends date and hook up with. Even the guys they find embarrassing. I mean, I'm there with them when they're drinking at bars. They go for men their age. I love how you apparently know what all women are doing more than their friends and the women themselves. Let me guess, I've also hooked up with older guys and am just not letting myself know? Why do your experiences overrule other people's?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 10:57 PM
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Ok so your experiences trump all data done on the topic, all the women I know including myself are major outliers for preferring men our age, you got me!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 10:51 PM
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you do realize that your personal experiences aren't data, right? There will always be cases outside the norm, but literally all data shows women are attracted most to men their age and slightly older.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 10:11 PM
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Ok, I basically agree here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 08:29 PM
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Well, a (good) relationship is more than that, but a basic "Let's hang out together and have dinner and have sex" relationship is still a decent time commitment for a person. So if the guy is way more attractive than her it would seem silly for him to waste that time when he could be with someone better. I agree branch swinging relationships tend to fail though, for so many reasons. The same is actually true for men. It's not too surprising though. I mean, a relationship that was founded on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 08:04 PM
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Isn't income beta bux? Any woman who's only with a guy because he has more money isn't actually super attracted to him, she's agreeing to be with him for the lifestyle he provides. That's not really the same thing as being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 08:02 PM
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Probably the best explanation I'm going to get, and I'm actually pretty surprised that a red piller would say anything about attractiveness being subjective. This is slightly off topic but I'm a bit confused about "stability" (financial or otherwise) being an alpha vs. beta trait. Commonly red pillers say that this is exactly what makes men peak in old age- that 40 year olds can do great with girls in their early 20s because of their "stability" and "financial security." But those things, correc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 08:01 PM
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In the first part of your response, you're not describing a woman who is leaving a man for another man- you're describing a woman who's leaving a man for the theoretical idea that there are a lot of other men out there- overestimating how well things will go for her if she's single. That is definitely a thing, but that's not branch-swinging unless there's a specific guy she's leaving her husband for. As for your second part, it's true that men will be more likely to expand their standards for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 07:47 PM
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Oh I know. I'm not RPW but I agree with that advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 07:27 PM
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Okay, that's reasonable. But here's what I'm saying: she met her husband earlier in life than she met Mr. Random Guy. Most people who marry are of relatively equal hotness, at least the vast majority of the time. It's rare I see a couple that is really different in attractiveness unless one person had a major makeover or gained tons of weight. So let's say she's a 6, her husband is a 6, they get married in their late 20s like most people. In comes Mr. Random Guy, 5-10 years later. Now, maybe she…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 07:27 PM
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That's not branch swinging.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 07:16 PM
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but are you saying women divorce their husbands because they meet a hot guy at a bar and think "Oh, maybe I'll marry him instead"? (Also begs the question: who are these guys who want to sleep with women that age?) Plus, pretty much every article on female infidelity says it's more likely to start with a serious friend or coworker, and begin as an emotional affair. There aren't that many married women trawling for sex in bars. That's maybe how male infidelity starts. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 06:58 PM
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That doesn't really answer the question though? Like a woman doesn't branch-swing to an imaginary person. In order for it to be an actual branch-swing there needs to be an actual person there who wants her. Otherwise it's just "getting a divorce" which isn't the topic of my thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 06:47 PM
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I only have a problem with women who do things that hurt others, like not using protection or knowingly sleeping with men in relationships. Same goes with men, by the way. Other than that I don't hate sluts. Generally the only people who do- both male and female- hate them over some type of jealousy or insecurity. Most obviously with women, but I think on Reddit that becomes quite clearly attributed to men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 06:45 PM
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Red pillers do the exact same thing. When I pointed out that women in pretty much every study (including the infallible OKC studies) prefer and wind up with men close to their age, I get a tons of comments like "But my boss's janitor is 50 and his girlfriend is 15!" or "I'm 40 and my girlfriend is a hot blonde 22 year old with big boobs and we have sex 7 times a day EXPLAIN THAT" like either outliers count or they don't, people. And obligatory: Yes, most women prefer tall men. Nobody is denying …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 06:41 PM
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Yeah, all the "pussy whipped" stuff. My husband got laughed at for being pussy whipped because he said he was having dinner with me and my mother. Like oh my gosh, he must be such a beta because he has a normal marriage and a good relationship with his in-laws. Almost all the stuff men do that causes them to get made fun of for being pussy whipped is stuff that women do all the time without question and nobody jokes that they're spineless or whipped.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 06:31 PM
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That's assuming she sleeps with people when she goes out though? When I was in a long distance relationship I went out and partied with my friends but I never even made out with anyone. I'm sure someone who saw me from afar might think I was "slutting it up" but the worst I was doing was having a drink with some girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/16 06:29 PM
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Doesn't this still kind of go against the TRP mantra that men only cheat when they aren't getting sex? Other sites said sexual variety/boredom was the main reason but yes, I do think emotional dissatisfaction is another common reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 05:05 AM
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If a woman cheats, she won't get as screwed over as him, and if he is rich she would actually come out ahead. I'm not arguing against this. I'm also not arguing that women divorce more than men. I'm arguing that women who cheat don't necessarily look forward to getting a divorce. They don't see it as winning or an upside, unless the whole point of cheating is that they want to leave their husband for that guy. If I for some reason cheated on my husband during a moment of weakness, him divorcing …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 05:04 AM
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Yeah. Women will say "omg sandy is such a slut, she wore a crop top last night" and men will say "that fucking slut sandy should go kill herself, she's ruining society." I guess they're both slut shaming but women tend to be more gossipy and obnoxious whereas men tend to be more viscerally disdainful and hyperbolic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 03:52 AM
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I guess I've kind of dealt with this. I found it rude, obnoxious, borderline sociopathic and messed up. Mostly scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 03:50 AM
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How did I miss this in the OP? hahahahaha
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 03:33 AM
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In fact pretty much every study on this shows men and women cheating at equal rates or men cheating slightly more. That means most women turn down the vast majority of offers they get, while men either actively seek it out or take women up on almost all the offers they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 03:32 AM
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Yes. I've seen a lot of women on Reddit discover their husbands were cheating and note that it was HIM who suddenly became uninterested in sex even though they were still interested and available. Some men cheat just for variety. Actually, that's the most common reason they cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 03:30 AM
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Sexual variety is reported as the #1 reason men cheat..and that's then admitting it. Just imagine how many men would admit to this if they were being completely honest lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 03:29 AM
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That's the first logical conclusion that I could draw, lol (not that I actually think this, but the fact that women get more opportunities actually puts women in a better light considering men and women cheat at equal rates)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 03:29 AM
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Exactly, if women are so disgusting to men after the age of 22 or whatever, why would any woman in her mid-30s get all excited about the opportunity to get divorced and caught cheating? And who is she branch-swinging to if she has the same SMV as a dingleberry?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 03:28 AM
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Exactly. Took the words out of my mouth. Women absolutely have more opportunities- my husband has literally never been approached by a woman and he's a very attractive guy, whereas I think I'm of equal attractiveness to him and I get approached by men daily. The thing is, I'm not necessarily attracted to these men anyway, I love my husband so I wouldn't sleep with them even if I WAS attracted, and I (like many women) hate casual sex anyway. So the amount of opportunities doesn't have any bearing…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 03:26 AM
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He specifically said that up until now he was shocked because he thought they were devoted and inseparable. It's fairly obvious that the cheating was the first he ever heard of them having problems. If there had been a long history of sexual neglect that was actually disclosed to him, I'm sure he would have mentioning it. You're making the assumption that he did know, when it's fairly clear he didn't. Even red pillers called him out on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/16 12:16 AM
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How is this a fact? Lmao . Men cheat more often or as much as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 07:03 PM
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Men are more interested in that stuff. I don't know how much of it is social and I don't really care since I don't think it's a big deal anyway. Nobody on TBP genuinely believes that men and women are 100% the same with 100% the same interests all the freaking time. I don't think anyone needs to push those interests onto women, only that women shouldn't be harassed or discredited if they enjoy them. Like, I'm sure 80% of sports fans are men because men just tend to enjoy sports more, but there a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 12:35 AM
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OP is absolutely jumping to conclusions. Just because he doesn't use the exact words I do doesn't mean he hasn't embellished a great deal of what was going on in that marriage. His wife may be embellishing just as much as he is, I never doubted that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/16 12:32 AM
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I agree. And I also think this about people who knowingly sleep with married people (an opinion that I've learned is really unpopular on the Internet lol). if you sleep with a married person knowing they're married, you're part of it too. Maybe not as bad as the cheater, but you're shit for taking part.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 07:21 PM
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I think law enforcement should be softer on non-violent crime and harder on violent crime. I don't care if some kid smokes pot, they don't belong in jail for it and that's absurd. If someone assaults a child or shoots someone, that's a different ballpark and law enforcement should be tough on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 07:20 PM
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I guess, but then wouldn't it then be MY fault if my husband cheated, for presumably letting myself go? Cheating can't always be one gender's fault, unless you genuinely believe women have no free will.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 07:18 PM
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Oh, I forgot. Sorry!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 07:18 PM
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Well, sorry, I disagree, lol. There are women/men who are just shitty people. In a marriage you should be able to be yourself (I don't mean this in the corny/BP way) and not constantly entertain the other person for fear of the other person cheating. I agree it's bad to let yourself go, but the other person still has free will. If my husband lost interest in sex and gained weight, my first thought wouldn't be "time to find some dick elsewhere" despite that solution being easy because I get offer…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 07:09 PM
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Well, I don't think anyone deserves to be cheated on and the blame is the cheater's regardless because people have free will. But yes, I do think it's worth it to examine what you may have done to make the relationship shitty, if you were cheated on. That said, I think this should be the case for both men and women. If a woman gets cheated on, it's not automatically more her fault than if a man gets cheated on.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 07:07 PM
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The only reasons I wouldn't get into a relationship with an attractive man who earned a lot less are: 1.) If in addition to earning a lot less, we had nothing in common, like completely different social/cultural/political backgrounds as a result of class difference. 2.) If he, on some level, was bothered/threatened by my income (I know a woman who consistently dated men who made less money than her and they all cheated on her and were extremely insecure and obnoxious to her, despite initially be…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 07:05 PM
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Oh definitely, I'm not saying ALL red pillers support male infidelity and engage in such ridiculous behavior...just enough of them that it's worth pointing out (the same with Tumblr feminists and men for that matter)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 07:02 PM
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Yeah, it was posted on TheBluePill so I'm sure that's 90% why the top comments were ones calling him out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 06:58 PM
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I know. And I feel the same about my parents' marriage. Even talking to them I get two different stories, so it's best for me not to assume shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 06:58 PM
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I completely agree with you. I even cheated once (a long time ago when I was a teenager, and I broke up with the guy the next day) and when I told people the situation, a lot of people (male and female) told me he was asking for it, and under those circumstances anyone would have cheated, he was doing XYZ wrong, etc. I think that's silly. He was a horrible partner, but I could have broken up with him first. There was still no excuse for what I did, and I never cheated again.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 06:57 PM
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I pointed out that many comments restored my faith in humanity. Plenty of the guys there were reasonable people who recognized OP's ridiculousness. But there's still the OP with tons of upvotes, and plenty of other comments patting him on the back and giving him advice on how to use this situation to his advantage, not even acknowledging how absurd his conclusion was. Not to mention the one comment where the guy talked about how his wife's friend got cheated on and how happy he was to see a "mid…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 06:55 PM
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Actually, TRP has promoted male cheating multiple times. It will take me a while to find the links (trust me, they do exist and I'm sure other people can back me up, ETA Just posted two of them in the OP) but I've seen a post about a guy asking how to keep spinning plates while in an LTR. One commenter pointed out "Why would you not be faithful to someone who's being completely faithful to you?" Other people called him a pussy, told him the LTR woman was probably going to cheat anyway so it's fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 06:52 PM
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Oh, it is. Unless you're below a 7/10 and therefore no longer human.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 06:48 PM
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The argument against paying taxes for single mothers is strictly fury at women for (presumably) having sex with men they were attracted to instead of men they weren't attracted to (because as we all know, all attractive men are abusive deadbeats and all unattractive men are angels.) The truth is, people pay far more in taxes for irresponsible wars that the government got into without all people agreeing to it, plus a huge amount to market subsides, so if you're going to bitch about giving away y…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/16 06:48 PM
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Gosh, I don't consider my partner count high but TRP probably would since I'm a woman and it's 7. I regret most of the people I slept with, but not because it added to my number. Just because many of them turned out to be bad potential partners or uninterested in more (none of these people were deliberate ONS or casual sex, I wanted to date/actually dated all of them). Also most of the sex was really bad. I did settle down with my husband many years ago. My "high" count wasn't due to not wanting…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 09:12 PM
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First of all, while 22 may be on the older side to lose the V, it's not insanely old. Media portrays college and high school as a nonstop sex fest but I know tons of guys who lost it after 20 and are now in happy relationships. I also struggle with social cues but being a reasonably attractive woman, the only place this really puts me at a disadvantage is with making female friends (granted, when I was single I do remember having trouble reading social cues but often it was forgiven.) From your …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 08:58 PM
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Judging by all the "post an average women" polls, full of women who just look like the "hot" women but without tons of makeup or sexy clothes, I'm inclined to agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 08:55 PM
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Not at all. A lot of guys could benefit from learning how to be better with women and have better social skills and appearance. The only thing that bugs me is that most of these subs just contain endless posts about women being disgusting whores. I mean, if there was a whole sub about a race or ethnicity being full of disgusting whores/criminals/dumbasses etc, I'm pretty sure I'd understand someone from that ethnicity being bothered by it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 08:54 PM
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Stuff about improving physical appearance and social skills, without all the stuff about single mothers turning the country into a living hell and women being the scum of the planet, probably, and without tons of posts endorsing cheating on women but getting all Church Lady about women who cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 08:52 PM
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A guy being short generally isn't something women prefer but it's absurd to say that a short guy has no chance with women and is doomed to die a virgin. My 5'5" male friend has always done well with women. My 6'0" friend can't seem to get past a first date and has sex about twice a year (Facially, I'd say the shorter guy is better looking but not by that much). I wouldn't say the short guy does better BECAUSE he's short...but clearly being short isn't preventing him from finding girlfriends (who…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/16 08:50 PM
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I guess not actually. To be honest I kind of forgot what he looked like, I just remember hearing he was unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 04:05 PM
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No woman is genuinely attracted to Hugh Hefner. It's glorified prostitution. They probably have hot boyfriends on the side while he pays for their shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 04:03 PM
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I actually don't really remember what he looks like other than he has a beard. I just keep hearing people say he's unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 04:02 PM
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Basically
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 04:01 PM
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hahaha in all seriousness, the best example I can give was this guy I saw in a bar a while ago. He was very physically attractive, and these two women were just all over him. He wouldn't have had to buy them anything to go home with either one of them. If he had asked them to buy him a drink, they probably would have done it. Granted I didn't talk to him so IDK how much of the attraction was looks based vs. personality based (I'm happily married so I just played social scientist from afar) but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:55 AM
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Ha, I'm fine, just got into therapy. I hope the best for you too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:45 AM
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Doesn't TRP constantly say the whole point is sexual strategy? Now this is a career advice sub too?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:44 AM
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Yes, but if it's the only way they can have sex with hot women, are they really that attractive? If it's just an alternative thing they sometimes do when they don't feel like putting in the work, then that's another story.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:44 AM
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I don't mean they like him because of his politics (although they may) I mean they regard him as a good example of an attractive "alpha" red pill man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:36 AM
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Oh, my parents are divorced and I have a whole set of hangups about that that really don't mesh with reality or the real world, so I empathize.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:34 AM
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lol wat? Most guys wind up married, statistically, which I know is considered some kind of 9th level of hell on TRP but the vast majority of marriages aren't the ones you see in /r/deadbedrooms, and most don't even end in divorce these days, especially in white, upper middle class educated couples. That doesn't mean I'm telling everyone to go get married, but not everyone gets to have their ideal, perfect love life. Just like most women aren't going to get undying commitment from a 10/10 doctor …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:28 AM
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A lot of people told me not to date my now-husband for stupid reasons. They were mostly things he said to me taken out of context, which is why I almost never tell anyone about our arguments now. If he wanted to tell his friends about stuff I'd said while furious, I'm sure I'd look controlling and crazy too. Anyway, I stayed with him because I knew people didn't know the whole story and were just being assholes. Plenty of them dated guys far worse than him in every way possible, so I shouldn't h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:25 AM
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Again, I have no problem with that aspect, but it seems like a bit of an odd thing to see as an end-goal, right? Because even the Comic Book Guy neckbeard can pay for sex if he has a few hundred dollars on hand...doesn't really make him alpha or hot or attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:23 AM
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lol. I agree with you partially, but actually, aren't most of the guys saying this quite young? Perhaps they just don't want to believe young women aren't as attracted to old men as they are to ones their own age because they have a fantasy future envisioned for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:22 AM
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This doesn't really make much sense. If the SOLE goal is to have sex with hot women, then yeah, idolize Trump since he does that. But if the goal is to genuinely be attractive to women, he's actually not a great example. If you really want to have sex with a hot woman, regardless of how she feels about you, just pay for a hooker. But from what I can gather, if that was the end-game of TRP, then the fix would be super easy. Trump is a smart guy, I'll give you that, but Melania probably isn't "dow…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:22 AM
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You seem to have a great philosophy you live by, and that's great. But there are tons of red pill flair guys on this sub who idolize these dudes. Maybe not you...but still enough that people know what I'm referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:17 AM
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haha oh boy. I guess it's kind of a would-you-rather. As awesome as that sounds I'd way rather just be married and not get paid anything for it. Good for them though, I guess, if it makes them happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:12 AM
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Correlation =/= causation. While I do think men who are known to be attractive with women may see a boost in their attractiveness, I also think it's no coincidence that the men with the most sexual partners were also the most attractive to begin with...how else did they get all those partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:11 AM
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Huh, seems like a sweet deal. Too bad it repulses me, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:09 AM
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I pay attention to what men do, not what they say, and I'm positive that the vast majority of the men would choose the hot girl and then deny that she had problems unless they were really obvious and glaring. I've seen this happen way too many times to believe all the guys saying "stability is sexy."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:08 AM
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I saw a guy say he was extremely attractive and/or alpha. Maybe he was trolling. idk
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:06 AM
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Okay, I figured I was about on target. Just wanted to preface it with that in case someone accused me of making the entire thing up because I wasn't on-point about the price.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:05 AM
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1.) I'm not saying it's bad to idolize wealthy people. It makes sense to want to be wealthy. But people are conflating women who agree to hang out with rich ugly guys solely for the money they get out of it, versus women who are attracted to guys who are successful. 2.) I do believe women are attracted to success, in the sense that a woman is more attracted to a guy who makes $200K than a guy who makes $20K provided all other things are equal. But in the case of the men I mentioned, all other th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:05 AM
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Really? I've seen so many comments on this sub practically whacking off to Donald Trump's flab.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:02 AM
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https://archive.is/vLdJ6 I was joking about it being $500, I forget what he paid her, but he even goes on about her attractive boyfriend (who gets sex from her for free) being the true "beta" because presumably, they don't have sex that's as kinky. He just believes what she tells him, I guess. Oh yes, and I'm sure she's a ten. They always are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 01:02 AM
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I'm not going to stop anyone from paying for sex (provided it's consensual and nobody gets hurt) but it's definitely not alpha on any level. It doesn't speak to the man's attractiveness, only his budget.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 12:59 AM
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It really depends on the situation, but I'd venture that both parties are usually at fault to some degree. And by the way, the person refusing sex isn't always the woman. I've seen many posts by women (especially on other sites) about husbands who won't sleep with them and won't even discuss it no matter how much they try to entice them or cater to them. Generally we only ever hear these stories from one side, so it's unlikely we'll ever get an unbiased report.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 12:58 AM
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I would always choose companionship over no companionship unless the companion was downright awful or dangerous, so of course I'd choose the slightly below average husband. I'm not sure I'd be attracted to him, but I've found guys attractive who other people thought were unattractive so maybe I'd be fine with it. It's not like I'd find disembodied sperm any more attractive or comforting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 12:55 AM
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I don't look down at all on people of any belief system who come to the Internet to better themselves. That said, I do a major eye-roll when I read people's pleas for help in /r/asktrp and it all starts with "First of all, I'm a 9/10" followed by all this rumination about women and having a hard time getting sex. Like yeah, sure buddy. Or my personal favorite: "I'm a 9/10 because I'm a 6/10 in looks, a 9/10 in confidence, a 9/10 in alpha-ness, a 9/10 in game, and a 9/10 in thinking I'm awesome. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/16 12:45 AM
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For me at least, I just wouldn't want it to be a micropenis or gigantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 07:09 PM
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Not Griddy but if you walk around outside and go to the mall and see couples holding hands, most of them are equally matched. It's not like a really rare elusive thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 07:08 PM
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I agree with your last sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 05:43 AM
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The Red Pill is about getting guys laid, not creating social change. I agree here! So this is the reason that I don't understand all the self-pitying posts about society and the Feminine Imperative and "bad media portrayals of men." It's like reverse Tumblr. If you want to get laid, just talk about how to get laid, not how society is oppressing you by encouraging women's bad behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:59 AM
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I'm not going to argue that hot women don't get away with way too much because they're hot. I'm probably fugly by RP standards since you guys think Megan Fox is a 5/10 or some shit (also I'm 26 so I'm like, 20 years past my prime, half joking) but in the real world I'm generally considered pretty. I can be pretty sure that the only reason I have other attributes, like my good cooking, writing/music talents, or loyalty for example, is that I lived the first 15 years of my life having to fight for…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:54 AM
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To be a good relationship partner it's partially looks, partially personality and other stuff. If you're good looking in addition to being fun and smart and interesting, you'll have more potential partners than someone who isn't good looking. Also, from what I can gather Heidi Klum seems like a cool person.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:49 AM
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Oh, my mistake. This wasn't entirely clear (at least for me) in your previous post. You only gave two options: the hot girl who brings nothing else to the table, and the ugly girl who brings lots of other things to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:44 AM
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This doesn't disagree with anything in my post. I'm not arguing that looks aren't important to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:35 AM
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That's true, but what if you want more than just a ONS?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:34 AM
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I don't think hotter women necessarily sleep around more than ugly women. Gosh, this girl from my college was borderline-chubby and not attractive and generally smelled bad (she did dress nicely though) and she regularly hooked up with guys who would sleep with her as long as nobody knew about it. But--wait--before you say "All the fat chicks are banging hot guys" that's also not true. There were plenty of decent-looking or attractive girls who didn't sleep around at all. They may have had the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:25 AM
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By "dress well" women mean this: http://s297.photobucket.com/user/morkin13/media/stayclassic_zpsfcfda9c6.jpg.html as opposed to this: https://neckbeardsofucmerced.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/image1.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:19 AM
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When men self-report their partners, I doubt they're lying about their sexual partner count to avoid being seen as slutty. The average male partner count is something like 5-7. Every time a woman sleeps with a new man, a man sleeps with a new woman. The average (not necessarily mode or median) sexual partner count will always be equal for men and women. So if you don't believe women, just assume their number is the same as what the men report.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:16 AM
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This is a sub about the sexual marketplace. So yeah, most of the posts are going to be kind of shallow because looks often come first in the sexual marketplace (For men AND women.) People aren't attracted to that different things. Generally unless you're hideous, there's going to be at least one person out there who thinks you're nice-looking, but the amount of people who think Heidi Klum is good looking differs vastly from the amount of people who think Lena Dunham is good looking. It's really …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:14 AM
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In general, good looking guys are drowning in women (maybe not literally, but they do well with women). I knew a "nerd" (in the sense that he was smart and liked science and didn't really play sports) in college who was also very good looking and he constantly had girls pursuing him. He may have had nerdy interests and was super smart, but he was fun to talk to and was very outgoing. Meanwhile I knew a guy in a fraternity who was out of shape and doughy, and he was still a virgin by senior year.…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:11 AM
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Women want casual sex less than men. If women were as desperate for casual sex as men were, the market would be more equal. As it stands, if I were an unattractive woman mildly interested in casual sex, why would I sleep with guys less attractive than me or even equal to me when I could sleep with guys more attractive than me? The alternative is "no casual sex" which isn't really a big deal at all to most women. Also, whenever men insist that "all women" have this inflated ego, you have to wonde…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/16 04:08 AM
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Please point out where I said men are wrong and shallow for not dating women less attractive than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/15 10:39 PM
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Thanks, I worked way too hard on this lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 11:09 PM
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Well yeah, I don't think she's ugly, she's just not beautiful either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 10:12 PM
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Oh yeah I'm sure that's true, I'm just saying most everyday women don't have those skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 10:05 PM
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Yeah but what I'm saying is that even with the makeup that both girls are wearing, they don't even look different in terms of attractiveness (or at least not that different). And maybe I just suck at makeup but it really doesn't give me much of a boost. Just makes me look less tired.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 09:55 PM
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Most of these I agree with (I'm a woman) but there have been a few where the average and attractive women didn't even look different from each other, minus maybe pose and clothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 08:43 PM
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I'm a woman. Average 4-5 (probably wouldn't date in abscence of absolutely amazing personality) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/SethRogen_7_2007.JPG/515px-SethRogen_7_2007.JPG Average 6 or so, same approximate level as my ex (would date if he was funny and had stuff in common with me): https://nypdecider.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/mark-duplass-irl.png Attractive 7-8 (He's hotter in the show though, slightly too old for me but cute) http://www.eonline.com/eol_images/Ent…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 08:32 PM
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I think they're objectively attractive, but they don't do much for me. The first guy is just too old (but hot for his age I guess) and the 2nd guy is too girly/artsy for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 08:26 PM
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So two women have sex with someone they just met. One stays overnight and leaves in the morning, the other one leaves after sex is done. And one is more virtuous than the other...how?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 08:15 PM
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Who here thinks either of them is gorgeous? They're both probably around average. I just think that considering how many grossly obese and actually hideous people exist, there's a middle ground between "festering pile of pus" and "gorgeous model"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 07:57 PM
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You and I have SUCH DIFFERENT TYPES. To each her own though lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 07:56 PM
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I'm probably lucky because I'm on the pill and mine are like 3 days.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 07:48 PM
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lol no I get what you mean. Generally I agree with this worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 07:48 PM
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In what way do I sound aggravated? I've been with my husband, a very good looking and intelligent guy, for 7 years. I'm just talking objectively about how life works for average women. I've consistently had the benefits and privileges of an above average woman (albeit not a supermodel) so I'm aware of how my life differs from women who are not attractive, and I guess also different from women who are total 9/10s. I've always been open to dating my physical equivalent and even somewhat below (my …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 07:47 PM
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Seriously. And actually having a period is probably the least inconvenient thing about being a woman. I don't mind it at all. I'm not saying women have it harder than men (I agree with you) but the downsides of being a woman don't even involve periods.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:35 PM
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I actually think he's matured a lot to his credit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:34 PM
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Oh ok and sub 30 average women dont have bf's? Yes they do have boyfriend, sometimes. Just not tons of looks-equal men lining up to date them. The women who have tons of demand are the hot women, not the average women. Please. Do you leave your home. Yeah, and generally I'm not surrounded by dowdy women running casting calls for the role of their BF, choosing between male models and surgeons, but what do I know
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:29 PM
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pretty good! Busy but good. Good to see you around :)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:28 PM
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No I know exactly who I'm talking about and it isn't you! haha
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 06:06 PM
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Wooahhh I disagree. I find the average guy hotter (but slightly too old and chubby for me). If he were 25-30 and maybe 10 lb lighter he'd be attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:58 PM
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Oh, not this guy. There are just others. This guy doesn't seem quite so combative.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:57 PM
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I wouldn't' mind the anger phasers here so much if they didn't try to turn every thread into a pity party for themselves and then start going to ad hominem like "Well would YOU have slept with me? No? WHY NOT!?!! Well this proves you and all women are horrible if you don't find my ramblings sexually enticing."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:52 PM
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lol ok. HOT women before 30 have tons of guys who want to have sex with them, then a smaller amount of guys (their age) who want to commit (but still some). Average women have a much more watered down version of this, with far fewer options for commitment (men their age, of course) and ugly women are nearly invisible for commitment, but could probably have sex with other ugly men. I'd still rather be a woman than a man, but this is laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:50 PM
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It's actually completely the opposite. Short people have a much harder time keeping weight off.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:15 PM
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I think you and I are the same age (26?) One weird thing is that at 20, everyone seemed to think I was in my late 20s or early 30s, and now at 26 people think I am in my early to mid 20s. I don't know why exactly, but I'm definitely happy about it. (And no, I'm not one of those delusional people on Reddit who think they look 15- I just look my age I guess)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:15 PM
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Not really. This is like women with short hair- hot ones can pull it off but it's never really an improvement. It's not a huge deal though, if my husband goes bald he'll still be hot to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:14 PM
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he's being overdramatic. Men definitely age and as a woman I've never been attracted to a guy more than a handful of years older than me, but guys look best in their mid 20s, not late teens. It's rare to find anyone in their late teens who doesn't still have some vestige of awkwardness from puberty (male or female).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:12 PM
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I'm kind of sympathetic because at 20 I had some weird freakout about aging (based on nothing, really) and started using Retin-A. Now at 26 I'm glad I went so nuts, because my skin looks younger now than it used to.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:10 PM
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I was with you until I actually read the body of your post. The peak isn't so specific, but I think most people look best in their 20s, almost no exceptions. Red pillers get around this by saying "Yeah well even if I looked better in my 20s by my 40s I'll have all this life experience and frame and wisdom" but women are shallow just like men, and we like hot guys our own age, and we really don't care where they've traveled or what wisdom they have to bestow upon us. I'd rather grow with someone …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/15 05:06 PM
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If I was drowning or something I'd expect a stranger to help me regardless of gender, but it would actually be extremely weird if a random guy on the street "cared" about me and "celebrated" me (a surprise party? lol idk) without knowing me. I definitely don't expect that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 05:02 PM
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oh gosh, I have a female friend who acts a good 10-15 years younger than her age (in a bad way) and it actually drives me nuts. I didn't mind it at first but it's really pissing me off lately. I suppose I'd feel the same if she were a man too. I just don't have much patience for self-pitying people who complain endlessly but do NOTHING to help themselves when the answer is quite obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:58 PM
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I can absolutely be friends with people I'm not attracted to. The difference is, often men can't. Which is why men and women often can't really be friends. Being married helps because then I just befriend my husband's friends, but when I was single no male-female friendships worked out for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:57 PM
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I don't usually agree with you, but here I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:56 PM
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Yeah, everyone downvoting you is just confusing you with the super "men are awesome" red pillers. I've never seen you post anything good about yourself or men, to your credit (although I disagree with you).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/15 04:56 PM
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That skirt is so cuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 11:05 PM
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He's already revealed himself to be the Lizard King but I guess you plebs are only JUST NOW noticing it. *tips fedora*
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 11:04 PM
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It's hilarious to me too. Side note: I saw some article (I think on RoK) referring to America as a "cuntocracy" and my mom saw it and goes, "Shouldn't they just say CUNTry? That's way easier." (Yes, my 55 yo mother)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 11:04 PM
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It's more irrational than anything because I'm married, but I always worry if my husband gets really successful he won't find me attractive anymore, idk, i could write a wall of text on my insecurities but I don't think anyone really needs to hear it. lol. At least i KNOW it's stupid, which I hope is the first step. And, go movies! Sorry if this is off-topic, but...favorites? I'm a horror fan myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:58 PM
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What's funny here is that you're admitting that not all people of one gender are the same. We've got guys who are obsessed with casual sex, and guys who gain nothing from it. Presumably there are also women on either side of the fence. Funny, huh? I agree that TBP tends to be less focused on casual sex than TRP (although not necessarily condemning of it) because many of us believe the excessive obsession with casual sex at expense of everything else is semi-unhealthy. Not a sex addiction, just a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:57 PM
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It's okay, I appreciate it though :) I am somewhat the same way with myself bc of my anxiety, although it's more standards for femininity and attractiveness. I can't think of one part of my body/face that hasn't made me cry at one point or another, and I know by objective standards I'm at least decent looking. But sometimes I don't feel life is worth anything if I'm not an 8 or higher (because if I'm not, any man who I attract will just leave me even if he is less attractive). I know, I know, a …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:46 PM
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Aren't you super young though? In my early 20s the only reason I wasn't 100% dependent on my parents was because my grandfather died and left me a really modest inheritance. Is anyone that age 100% independent? A 23 yr old who is not financially independent isn't a manchild- that word is reserved for a 35 year old who is not financially independent, can't have relationships, plays video games all day...etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:43 PM
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That sounds about right. But also sometimes don't people give compliments just to be nice? I have a male friend who I don't consider hot (and he has a girlfriend) but he has a great sense of style, so if I see him wearing something cool I'll say, "Hey Dave, love the jacket!" because A.) it's true and B.) I like to make people feel good about themselves. I assume men do this too. My former coworker who was married (and faithfully so) would often tell me he liked my shoes, dress etc. We had a frie…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:42 PM
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Yeah, that's why I feel that both pills are often "right." The women TRP encounters, who they've only filtered for looks, won't necessarily bring much else to the table. Meanwhile a BP guy who meets a girl through friends, doing an activity they both enjoy, will meet women who have more going on. So their experiences are both right, but neither are universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:40 PM
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What makes you an adult child? IME, that's the kind of thing you can change and it's usually based on behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:39 PM
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Aw, almost twins!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:37 PM
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I find it weird when women call me "honey" actually unless they're very old. It's just kind of an effeminate and old fashioned thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:37 PM
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It's not only the Kinsey scale, it's that plus a second scale about how important sex is to you (A-F, A being asexual). It would put me at D or E 0-1.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:31 PM
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But it's not consequence free if it's in the workplace, so I don't think they're aiming for that. I think my male coworkers who talk to me are just being friendly. I have a very different view towards men in the gym, who go out of their way to talk to me, when we have no real need to interact on a regular basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:26 PM
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I was being facetious, but, okay!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:22 PM
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Lol no. If you actually read what I've said, I've said repeatedly that I think most men just make chit-chat to be friendly and kind, and it's rarely if ever threatening or uncomfortable. The TRP position is that men only talk to women if they want to have sex with them. I think men talk to women for tons of reasons, not necessarily sexual ones. I think men have more to them than just trying to bone everything that walks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:22 PM
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That's not sexual harassment, because I guess for it to be harassment it would have to actually make people feel threatened and uncomfortable. But I've seen people complain about this making them feel unwelcome in the workplace. If it's clear that a man (or women for that matter) is only pleasant towards coworkers who they want to sleep with, it wouldn't be cause to end their career, but it's definitely something that might garner a few complaints. Especially if you are a manager, if you are all…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:21 PM
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So if I say "looks like rain" to cute secretary I'm kind of attracted to, I've harassed her? But if I say "looks like rain" to 67 year old Mrs. Blankenship, who I haven't got any attraction for, I haven't harassed her? I don't think you've harassed either of them. But then again, if you speak to both of them that's proof that you speak to people for reasons other than sex. Plus, as I've said before, I think men speak to women just to be pleasant too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 10:07 PM
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Me? IDK not 100% of them. But I'm also young and at least somewhat attractive. The men who talk to me also talk to women in their sixties, fat women, and lesbians.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 09:58 PM
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People don't marry that much younger, although everything else you've said is pretty accurate. The vast majority of married couples are within 5 years of each other's ages with the bulk 0-1 year apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 09:56 PM
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Yeah, so point is, no one is inherently superior. Although you can't deny even for a second that men commit far more violent crimes than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 09:37 PM
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yes, good example.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 06:35 PM
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Personally I like this concept because then a lot of people will walk around sounding like chickens and that will be funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:41 PM
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I met one terper "IRL" that I know of- technically it occurred on FB, but I had met him long before that because we used to be in the same circle of friends. He never admitted to being on TRP, but he was actually the reason I discovered TRP because I had to look up a bunch of words he used. He basically left this really incoherent and angry rant on FB talking about how no women really love their husbands, the only decent women are from Japan, American women are all fat and tattooed and promiscuo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:35 PM
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Personally, if I were a man, the SMP would be the last area in which I thought I was disadvantaged. Men are far more disadvantaged with the prison/justice systems, police brutality, run of the mill violence, etc, than women are. The reason I chose to remain a woman wouldn't be SMP related, it would be violence related.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:16 PM
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I feel like you just wanted to be inflammatory instead of adding anything of value to the discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:09 PM
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If I go somewhere after work I'm not supposed to go (shopping for example) instead of going home and cooking for my husband, and I tell him I had to work late so I can keep a secret from him, to me that's a LACK of respect. I don't respect him enough to give him the truth. If I am having issues with my mother, and I confide in him (and only him) I respect him because it means he is the closest person to me and the person I love the most. Wouldn't it be more disrespectful NOT to tell him, and ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 05:07 PM
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Except none of the blue pillers here are supporting this view? At least I didn't see many... My view on men/women is the same- there is a percentage that sucks (like OP's post about men) but it's far from being true of all men/women. That seems fair enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 04:44 PM
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Well, my response to this is the same response I give to red pillers complaining about women: these men definitely exist, and perhaps there are more of them than there should be, but there are plenty of men who are nothing like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 04:43 PM
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So if I lie to my husband about where I was after work, I respect him, but if I confide in him about a problem with my family, I don't respect him? Wat
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/15 04:42 PM
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That, and the fact that they were taking selfies specifically for a promotion that the stadium was doing. They were literally asked to take selfies for the sake of some Twitter promotion about the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/15 04:45 PM
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I guess that's fair. It's just that if other people's opinions didn't matter to me AT ALL, lifting wouldn't increase confidence because my appearance wouldn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 10:21 PM
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I completely agree with you. Being president would actually be almost a demotion from what he does now.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 10:16 PM
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If you want to just be healthy, weightlifting is not mandatory. The whole reason most people lift weights (including myself, and I'm not ashamed to say it) is to look better, which either garners (or keeps) male/female attention. I personally do it to continue to look hot for my husband, but I'm sure others do it to attract others.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 10:14 PM
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What I'm saying is that even when people are very careful, there's no guarantee A.) that there won't be an accident anyway and B.) that the gun will effectively 100% prevent all danger that could befall them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 10:06 PM
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People do change especially if their "wild" behavior was in their very early twenties or teens. I was initially put off by my husband's past, which wasn't outrageous but was a lot more promiscuous than mine. But I wasn't going to assume that just because he had a past, he was necessarily going to be unfaithful or selfish. It makes sense that someone will have more casual sex in their very young years because they're in that kind of atmosphere, then later they actually want something serious and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 09:38 PM
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Oh, he's DEFINITELY interesting. I can't stand him but I love watching him. What I'm saying is he is not sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 09:11 PM
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Yeah I'm fairly in agreement but the "sub 8" thing is more extreme than reality. Guys who are above average can definitely still hook up with/marry above average women. Most couples are equally matched in looks or close to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 09:10 PM
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Oh okay, this clears it up a lot. Thanks for explaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:46 PM
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I agree for the most part, except if you're not skilled with a gun there's a higher chance of it being turned on you. Even something like pepper spray might be more effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:44 PM
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To be alpha bux you actually have to be physically attractive. Why wasn't Christian Grey written to be a 70 year old overweight guy with orange hair? Oh right, because looks are still the primary reason women are attracted to someone. They can be mitigated slightly for a lot of women, but anyone who sleeps with Donald Trump at this point in his life is not actually sexually attracted to him unless they have some kind of weird fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:40 PM
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Ohh, okay. NP then.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:39 PM
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No, I honestly thought that's what he meant because when he said "go down blazing" or whatever I tend to assume that's a suicide reference. But even being armed doesn't 100% prevent assault, plenty of other people are armed too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:39 PM
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I'm assuming it's just my misunderstanding, but one minute you talk about how all your male model friends are getting the girls, and even an ugly girl can get a male model, so as a result even attractive men are destined to only date fatties or be out of the dating game entirely....next minute you talk about how young attractive women are constantly staring at you but because they don't approach you it's a failure nonetheless...then you talk about how you'd only date 10s and you fuck so many hot…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:38 PM
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Your worldview becomes more and more contradictory and difficult to understand with every post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:34 PM
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I don't think it's 100% looks, but I think it's a lot more looks-based for men than they want to admit to themselves because that makes them feel out of control. That's why they bring up outlier examples like Hugh Hefner, who essentially pays women to sleep with him. SMV is about women who are actually sexually aroused by you, not women who are like "Meh, he's hideous, but I really could use a new pair of shoes."
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:33 PM
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in this case it appears her bigotry was affecting her job given that she was working directly with issues of race and gender at work. Totally unacceptable. How do you think we disagree at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:31 PM
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Donald Trump's wife is in it for the money and everyone knows it. There are also tons of women who wouldn't marry Donald Trump, even knowing how much money and luxury they get out of it, but she is obviously an unapologetic golddigger and the situation seems to work out well for them. I would put money on her not actually being sexually attracted to him, and him not really minding. He may be fun to watch on 60 minutes but the idea of having sex with him makes mine (and I imagine many other women…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:26 PM
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I think he's saying she can kill herself so that she doesn't get raped, which is pretty ridiculous given that killing onesself can also prevent false rape accusations, since you'll be dead if anyone accuses you and you can't go to jail if you're dead. On the other hand, in either situation.....you're dead, so...not really worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:14 PM
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"well, if she cheated, it must mean he wasn't taking care of her well enough" I know, but I'm saying very few women actually think this. When a friend of mine cheated on her boyfriend literally nobody supported it even her close friends. Women are definitely (and rightfully so) considered to be shitty people when they cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 06:10 PM
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Asshole women feel this way, and they do exist, but the vast majority of women do not actually think it's empowering to cheat on someone. I don't know anyone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 05:59 PM
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Oh, I remember this. Totally unacceptable. I don't think people's beliefs/speech should be monitored by their employers (unless it actually affects their job) and in this case it appears her bigotry was affecting her job given that she was working directly with issues of race and gender at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 05:59 PM
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As far as cultural narratives, feminism as we know it today didn't even exist until like 30 years ago. You think women, as incompetent and illogical as we apparently are, overthrew a cultural narrative and created a new one in a matter of one generation? How would we manage that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 04:56 PM
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Never said women were perfect either.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 04:55 PM
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I disagree with your second paragraph. You will find VERY few people on this sub, if anyone, who thinks a man is at fault if his wife cheats. The cheater is always at fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/15 03:59 AM
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lol i very much disagree but it's not provable either way, so I'll let it be.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 11:54 PM
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Oh, I'm not saying women are any better. I'm just saying I don't think either gender is more loyal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 11:48 PM
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Actually, kind of random but men are far more likely than women to leave their spouses when sick. I'm sure trp will find some way to spin this as "She's getting sick on purpose to manipulate him!" but, welp, it's what happens: http://www.yourtango.com/200943948/men-6-times-more-likely-leave-sick-partner Wonder what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 10:34 PM
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If you have no backbone you can give up the upper hand. The upper hand is determined by your behavior as well as what you innately bring in terms of attractiveness (looks etc). A very insecure person will probably not have the upper hand in their relationship, nor would a person who is far less attractive than their mate. What I'm saying is that it's independent of gender, because plenty of women for a variety of reasons, don't have the upper hand, and then others do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 09:15 PM
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I see guys that are ugly and guys that are average. I have dated average men before. As long as they are in my age range, I see far more men as average compared to ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 09:14 PM
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I know lol. I am close with too many male relatives who I respect to think they're just walking dildos.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 07:43 PM
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Never said it was?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 07:43 PM
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Oh, I'm sure some women do feel that way, I just don't think it's a universal blanket thing. It's rare for me to see someone my age who I think is ugly, at worst I think he's average or something, so usually a come-on is a compliment for me. When it goes beyond that into guys who are much older than me then I start to feel weird, because I worry they think I'm older and I'm self conscious about aging. I may be different from some women due to some physical insecurities I have, so idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 05:47 PM
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Nope, it's not noticing, it's the actually thinking we're going to hook up. I said earlier that compliments, if not explicit or gross (like "Let me see that pussy" or something...I used to work in a bad area) NEVER offend me, even from 80 year old men. Where we somewhat agree is that if a guy actually hits on me, and propositions me like he thinks something is going to happen, and he's the age of my dad or he weighs 300 lb. In that case, yes, I'm a little annoyed that he thinks this pairing is r…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 05:41 PM
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yeah, I guess I feel similarly to her just not as often or in as extreme of a way. It's really rare for me to be offended by a come-on because it's often from men I consider at least relatively close to my age/fitness level. I rarely get hit on by anyone I consider below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 05:39 PM
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For me it's the difference between "You look nice today" (always a positive) and "Soooo...can I get your number? wink" (sometimes a negative). If a guy compliments me I don't even assume he wants to have sex with me or thinks it's possible. If a guy actually tries to hook up with me, and he's obese or really old, a tiny part of me is a little offended that he thinks I'm also old/unattractive and therefore a realistic match. I'm in my 20s and in really good shape, so it's a bit weird for me. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 04:55 PM
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even something as innocuous as "nice earrings", as unwanted sexual attention. Because an unattractive man complimenting her on her appearance means he is asserting himself as a man; he is noticing her as a sexual being and he wants sex. Some guy telling me he likes my earrings means he wants to have sex with me? Compliments like that I don't even see as remotely sexual, but ok. This is because of something everyone knows, or should know -- if a man is paying ANY attention to you at all, ANY AT A…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 04:52 PM
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I've always thought this...if you fear alimony so much marry a woman who makes a lot of money...then maybe YOU get the alimony if anything happened to the marriage. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 04:43 PM
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Ha, fair enough!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 04:42 PM
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So I take it you feel this way about divorce laws that are unfair to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 04:41 PM
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In the scenario above we are talking just abortion/no abortion. No child support is happening either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 02:53 PM
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I'm sure some do, I'm referring to someone who doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 05:54 AM
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provided the woman spends 100% of the child support on the child and not herself, how on Earth is this not the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 05:23 AM
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I felt really bad for him :( We used to deal with it all the time because we worked in a bad area. The men got their fair share of harassment too. They often felt less physically threatened, but still violated. I was almost groped once too, the whole thing sucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 05:18 AM
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Single adults don't get to stop working and make another random person support them financially. Why should married adults? If you still choose to stop working, know there is no safety net. What if a man says it's important for his wife to take off work to be a SAHM- she obliges because she loves him and wants to be a good mother. Then he cheats on her for no reason other than he found a younger woman, and he leaves her for the new woman. In this case, it isn't fair for her to suffer just becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 05:14 AM
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I'm a woman and I'd actually prefer it like this. It actually benefits me since I'm almost Catholic-level anti divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 05:07 AM
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I feel half and half on that. If a female friend of mine compliments me I take it with a grain of salt because I know she's just trying to make me feel happy regardless of what she actually thinks of my looks. Her opinion will matter less than a strange man's. If a strange woman on the street compliments me, her opinion may matter more than a strange man's because I know she doesn't have the objective of getting sex- if she's walking up to me and telling me I'm pretty, she has no objective so sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 04:49 AM
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Not every guy with a good personality is an alpha. He was a bio student nerd type. We just had the same taste in TV and he had a good sense of humor, we had been friends for a while before we started dating. Nobody who knew him would do anything other than laugh if you referred to him as alpha. You may be right about other women, personally I've never been in a relationship in which my attraction decreased over time but I haven't been in many relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 04:42 AM
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My coworker was like...lightly punched by a random woman in the street (probably on drugs). It didn't physically hurt him, she was pretty weak, but he was visibly jarred by it. I don't really blame him, that would terrify me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 04:28 AM
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Anyone who has sex- male or female- needs to accept the risks. Do what you can to prevent pregnancy and STIs (personally I think 2 methods of contraception are ideal if you REALLY don't want a kid- pill + condom for example) but what I'm saying is that with the exception of deliberately being tricked (guy claims he's wearing a condom but throws it away, girl lies about being on the pill) both people need to take responsibility for the fallout. This is actually one of my million reasons why I thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 04:23 AM
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I was with you until the last paragraph. That's true of some women, but I don't think it's universal. My ex was "below" me in looks, although not below me in all areas. I dated him anyway because we started out as friends and I eventually grew to be attracted to him (he wasn't ugly, just not that handsome, and slightly husky). As the months went on, I became MORE attracted to him. When we finally broke up it had zero to do with the one area in which I felt he wasn't ideal (looks). He wasn't "alp…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 04:09 AM
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No. Being approached by a stranger on the street feels potentially dangerous to anyone, especially when they're saying something sexual sounding. I don't get why people don't understand this. The other day I was walking to meet someone, and two young, attractive men rolled down the window of their car to hit on me. What they initially said wasn't offensive, so I just politely told them I was married. And then they continued to holler at me, and followed me VERY slowly as I walked asking me more …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 04:06 AM
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Yeah, it's still a compliment regardless but considering that a hot guy has more options it's only natural I'd be more flattered by his compliment. But that said, I'm even flattered when my own mom tells me I'm pretty (despite the fact that she kind of has to tell me that) so a compliment wouldn't really offend me in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 04:04 AM
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I'm a woman too and I feel differently. A compliment on my looks is a compliment regardless- hell, I love when WOMEN compliment me on my looks and I'm not attracted to any of them. I've gotten some lovely compliments from elderly men who I'd never date, but they said something sweet to me and it made me happy. That said, I do think that being hit on by a really unattractive guy (like a genuine attempt at trying to have sex with me or date me) can occasionally shake my self esteem. Usually for me…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 04:01 AM
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My husband and I stopped using condoms a few months in (I was on the pill). It was REALLY stupid of me to agree to it (he pushed it a bit) but he was already talking about marriage and I genuinely trusted him when he said he had been tested. But before him I dated a guy for 8 months and refused to stop using condoms even though I was on the pill. All the other people I've slept with (not tons, but still) I used a condom with. I even made one guy replace the condom halfway through because I irrat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 03:57 AM
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The woman in my OP was very genuinely attracted to the lower income men she dated. In fact she worried about them dumping her because she saw her wealth as something that made her LESS attractive, not more attractive. How is that hypergamous?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 03:49 AM
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If your beliefs are common, this means that women aren't necessarily refusing to date down- is it possible that men are refusing to date up (in regards to wealth) so even if these women were OK with dating a lower income man, it wouldn't happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 03:37 AM
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At this point she's pretty content being alone and just pursuing hobbies and her friendships, but of course there is a part of her that still wants someone. I think at this point she would be open to dating guys who didn't make QUITE as much as her, as long as the discrepancy wasn't so large that they expected her to fund a new lifestyle for them (basically, only saw her as a paycheck). Needless to say younger guys are completely out. I don't really blame her, I've heard of some men tired of bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 03:36 AM
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I have so many educated and seemingly intelligent friends who don't use condoms when having casual sex. They always act like it's some accident like forgetting to bring your keys or something. How can you just forget something like that?!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 03:34 AM
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Some do, some are less tenuous. I had very low self esteem and basically felt like any guy could do better than me even though I was thin and cute. So I would just display extreme clingyness and insecurity which gave him all the power. Many of these guys were not very attractive but because I was unpopular I saw myself as below them, even though physically I was probably more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 02:06 AM
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If a woman promises sex (for example if a wife says "we're going to have sex tonight", or if a woman says "I'll sleep with you if...") and then doesn't deliver, a guy is totally justified in being annoyed or not wanting to associate with that woman any further if she was intentionally manipulative and deceptive. Also, I've already said I think it's wrong for women to use men for money. Nobody on this sub thinks that's ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 02:04 AM
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So this applies to rich men too?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 02:02 AM
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ould they just, you know, not have sex with women if they're not prepared for the possible consequences? If I choose to drive a car, I know I could get killed by a car, and that's a risk I take. I'm not being "punished" for the "sin" of driving. And using roads to travel is a lot more necessary for a normal life than sex with a woman is. All this plus....are we living in some dystopian fantasy world where condoms don't exist? Even just considering the risk of STIs, is it really THAT hard to wrap…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 12:46 AM
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Maybe you should scold some guys in this thread then! I'm seeing plenty-o-bashing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 12:41 AM
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Be open to "dating down" is the semi-fix not "hook up with and expect a relationship with a broke dude!!" Where did you get the idea that these were hookups? These were relationships in which the guy said they were exclusive, actually moved in with her, and then cheated on her. It's not "entitled" of her to expect a relationship when the guy actually promised one. Should get some homeless guy to nude up in a public place have people write "rich" all over him. If men are expected to find the beau…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 12:40 AM
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Mothers who are not providing for their children, or having them in unsafe, unsuitable conditions, can have their kids taken away (which is something I support, obviously). Forcing women to get abortions is ridiculous and ethically tenuous, but I believe there are certain welfare programs that require you to get a sterilization implant if you have a certain amount of kids. This is a weird area to apply equality because there is an inherent inequality from the beginning: even a man who pays child…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 12:29 AM
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Well, I consider using someone for their money wrong, regardless of what gender the people involved are. Nobody here, red or blue, is saying that using someone for money is only wrong if the wealthier person is a woman. It's wrong regardless. Yes, the "beta bux" in either scenario may have made some poor choices or acted stupid about things, but that doesn't make it right to use someone for money, nor does it make it a necessarily good idea to date lower income men if you are a woman- because ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/15 12:16 AM
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I thought this said "parties in her purse" and it made me think of the "party in my pants" scene from Anchorman. That was hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 11:56 PM
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Anyone complimenting me on my looks is a compliment, as long as the "compliment" isn't something explicit or crass (which just causes me to question the mental stability/blood alcohol level of the person in question...most normal people don't say "I wanna fuck dat ass" at 1 pm on a tuesday). I'm probably more flattered if it's a guy who is very attractive- these men have more options, so if they think I'm attractive, it's a bigger compliment I guess. But if a guy isn't attractive, it's not like …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 11:54 PM
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They may become more common. There have been times in my marriage when I have made more than my husband and I never thought to rub it in his face nor did it make me lose attraction to him. There was a period of time when I paid for more meals/bills than him because I was the main breadwinner. Other times, he's had that role.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 11:50 PM
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she is well a "she" she should get an award for dating down? Where did I say she should get an award? I mentioned that she most likely made a few poor choices along the way. But that's irrelevant anyway- the point is, I'm saying that simply "just date men who make less than you" might not be an effective strategy for women because these men often don't want to date high earning women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 11:49 PM
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If women date men out of their league they don't have the upper hand. Or if the women have low self esteem. Heck, I've dated some chubby nerds and I'm decent looking, and somehow those relationships ended with them with the upper hand because I had phenomenally bad self respect, terrible insecurities, compliant codependency, and basically no backbone.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 11:44 PM
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Oh, my mistake, I just misunderstood your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 11:43 PM
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Why would a woman become uglier just because she makes more money?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 11:43 PM
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Oh okay. So you have no negative feelings about women who are picky about income?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 10:22 PM
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What about a woman who wants her opinions and desires to matter as much as yours, but not more than yours?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 10:19 PM
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I don't understand this post or how it relates to the OP. Would you date a women making a higher income than yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 10:19 PM
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No, it totally makes sense. I'm not even rich, but I come from a well-off family, and even in high school when NONE of us were making any money, guys got weird about it if they were middle class and I was upper middle class.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 10:18 PM
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Well, my OP is about a woman whose entire dating strategy was to date lower income men because she knew they were more in abundance. But that aside (because I admit it's not the norm) how can you refuse to date women of a certain income, and then bash women for doing the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 10:17 PM
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You realize you're framing a situation where women are in the wrong regardless of who we date, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 10:06 PM
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Yeah, that's a possibility too, I'm just saying that especially for someone her age (my age, basically) it's rare for you to already want to pass on sex, early in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 09:30 PM
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I don't think you're doing anything predatory or wrong, but I do think this is a bad idea for several reasons: Stripper thing is just a red flag, maybe it's unfeminist of me but sorry, it is. It doesn't have to be a total dealbreaker, but given everything else...you know. While some young women are attracted to older men, it's not a huge percentage, unless we're talking "I'll have sex with this guy because he has money" which isn't really attraction. Since money is clearly involved, I wouldn't b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 07:47 PM
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I'm kind of the opposite. Some of the people I've slept with, it was only once, but only because things failed to work out after the sex (and we had been dating or friends before we had sex).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 07:33 PM
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It's THAT unbelievable? Tons of people have never had ons.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 03:44 AM
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The "Alpha Fucks," phase is just that, a phase, a phase all women feel they must experience prior to settling down. Maybe true for some women, but not me, and I doubt I'm that special. Maybe I wasn't ready to literally marry someone at the age of 18, but I was more than happy to begin dating someone I would someday marry (which is basically what I wound up doing anyway). I literally can't think of a time in my life when I would have turned down a committed relationship provided I was attracted t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 02:51 AM
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No, I've never even done online dating, so none of this is even from personal experience. I'm just very curious about how red pillers reconcile this interaction that seems to happen often.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 02:35 AM
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Oh, I get that it doesn't bother you when women don't reply, but what I'm saying is it bothers some men to the point of going on curse-filled tirades to women they've merely sent one OkC PM to, who they don't even know, just because she didn't respond to "Send pics??" or something like that. Do you think these men are being unreasonable, or are the women being unreasonable for not responding to the request for photos?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 02:27 AM
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You and me both, I've never slept with anyone the night I met them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 02:25 AM
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Yeah, I actually did this in high school and I know tons of women who have done this. I've also seen the women get pissed off and "I've been nice to you for this long and THIS is what I get?" when the guy thinks they were just friends all along and doesn't find her attractive. /r/creepypms has some hilarious female offenders.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 02:24 AM
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Okay, reasonable. But these are the women curtly shutting guys down at bars, or not responding to messages on dating websites. These women seem to make men very, very angry. So, I take it TRP believes that in these scenarios, the women are being reasonable by being cautious around strange men, and the men are being overemotional and unreasonable by getting angry at women who don't respond to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/15 02:21 AM
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No, plenty of people are racist without ever going on r/coontown and I don't want them in my or my kids life either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 10:55 PM
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Yes it does. I'm saying it's not just the label, it's certain ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 05:53 PM
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If I were single I would gladly marry "down" if we still had stuff in common. I've dated people from lower socioeconomic backgrounds before (not lower salaries because I never dated as an adult, only as a teenager...but since my salary is high for my age I would gladly date a guy who made less if he wasn't completely broke and dependent on me.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 03:19 PM
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No, I do owe an explanation because he's my husband, I love him, and it would be very unusual for me to reject him for sex so I'd want him to know it's because I'm sick or something (that's the only reason I ever would reject him). I wouldn't want him to worry about our marriage or feel insecure. If it was a guy I had just started dating, then no, I don't owe an explanation although I'd probably just say "I take things slower than most people" (which is true.)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 03:18 PM
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Being masculine and traditional doesn't include thinking women are children/dogs/shit etc
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/15 03:15 PM
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why do i keep falling for this
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 10:44 PM
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I cook for my husband, have sex with him, massage him daily, even when I am working full time. It's not because it's my duty as a woman though, it's because I want to make him happy. He does things for me too. During times when I am not working I take up more of the household chores, but the only times that has happened is when I have gotten laid off, I've never purposefully taken time off.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 10:43 PM
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I don't know why I haven't noticed you on this sub before, you seem cool. Yeah, I guess I would understand OP's point a bit more (note: a BIT) if he was the victim of "divorce rape" or had been cheated on repeatedly but it sounds like he's fared better with women than most men. In fact, I'm an above-average women and I've slept with less than half the people he's slept with, lol. You make a really good point about attraction. I do think that within reason most people can improve themselves to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 07:53 PM
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Oh okay, this sounds a bit less conventional than your average marriage (right?) I mean, if my husband cheated on me I'd actually be MORE hurt if he didn't pay for it because I'd see that as more of an emotional betrayal, although I'd be furious regardless, it's hard to even say at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 07:49 PM
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In a relationship? Pretty much, because he's never going to be in one, because women hate subpar men. We just established that there are tons of losers in relationships on Maury, who are cheating nevertheless. Believe it or not, sometimes people of equal attractiveness date and marry. In fact I'd say that's how most couples around me are. I have average friends dating average guys, hot friends dating hot guys, chubby friends dating chubby guys...you get the point. I guess this depends on your de…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 07:47 PM
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Oh, okay, well at least you aren't a hypocrite. Sounds like you would just benefit from a poly marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 07:30 PM
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Unattractive losers by Chad standards or ones used by trailer trash women as beta bux. Is it any surprise that disposable ATM's don't even a lot of loyalty? Okay, so an unattractive man can do no wrong. If an attractive guy cheats he's a jerk, if an unattractive guy cheats he deserves it because he's obviously being used. lol. No, you couldn't. Because there isn't a single woman in the world who says she'll date an insecure, unattractive weird loser, no matter if she's an obese netflix recluse h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 07:29 PM
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Okay, can I please use this post as an example of cheating apologism? And would you be okay with your wife having a guy on the side?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 07:23 PM
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So you're on board with the "what she doesn't know doesn't hurt her" bandwagon?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 07:22 PM
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If you are doing something intentionally that you know hurts your partner and you continue to do it anyway because you value your own recreation more than your partner, you do not love them. This, of course, is irrelevant with poly relationships where both partners are aware and ok with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 07:18 PM
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First off those aren't things I have experienced really, more like other women or women in general, and second of all, tons of men who aren't attractive are still cheaters. Just watch Maury. Tons of unattractive losers still cheating. Also, I could easily argue that the "hypergamous females" TRP keeps talking about are materialistic and selfish because they are hot sorority sisters. Maybe if they dated the chubby awkward girls they wouldn't have to deal with that. Easy as that, right? Just quit …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 07:18 PM
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You shouldn't get married then.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 07:16 PM
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@buttlollipop, I love how you explain that we have to make laws to forbid bad behavior but we can't make some to force good ones (ie. attraction). Thanks! Well, being attracted to someone is a neutral, being attracted to Person A isn't necessarily morally superior than being attracted to Person B. It may be more practical or a better idea if you want a relationship, but attraction is never "wrong." That's one reason it will just never be legislated.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 07:15 PM
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I actually would have an extremely hard time wanting to have sex with anyone except my husband but I think I may be different in this way. The word "demisexual" sounds so Tumblry but I may be a form of that. Very high sex drive when in a relationship but when single I rarely have a desire to have sex with someone, just more like pre-teen "oooh he's cute" feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 06:49 PM
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Are you in a non-open marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 06:46 PM
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Most women who cheat don't want to keep having sex with their husband. That's true, I'm talking about a woman who does. Poly would be a fair word to describe her, but just because SHE wants to be poly doesn't mean it's an agreed-upon thing with her husband, so it's still cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 06:46 PM
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Oh, good point actually. For some reason I thought I read something about him having a high IQ but I could be thinking of a different dictator.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 06:38 PM
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Sure: https://archive.is/vLdJ6
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:51 PM
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Yeah I don't get it. Also race is rarely like the #1 reason a person is single. I'm white and I have dated Indian guys which apparently never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:48 PM
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I think a lot could be solved if men just wake up and start demanding more from women as whole. Heck, I would absolutely love it if all humans, male or female, were expected to put forth a level of honor, commitment, loyalty and kindness in order to get what they want. If everyone collectively demanded these things the world would probably be a better place. But the vast majority of men just want casual sex and therefore it doesn't matter what the woman's personality is like. If men started cari…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:47 PM
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Actually, I've seen it described literally as an excuse, but maybe the person was trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:44 PM
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You are attributing male motivations to her, but she's ACTING like a cheating woman, regardless of her reasons for cheating. I don't get this at all. If the reason female infidelity is worse is because a woman who cheats doesn't respect or love her husband, and this particular woman DOES love and respect her husband (at least as much as a man would in this situation) the only thing that's different is the fact that she happens to be female. The act is the exact same.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:43 PM
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I should clarify- imagine that this woman is basically a man's brain in a woman's body- perhaps a good candidate for one day coming out as trans. She is a woman, biologically, but her brain functions as a man's brain would. Of course, I imagine the spouse would be devastated regarldess (and rightfully so) but what I'm asking is if YOU would consider her more or less reprehensible than if she were biologically male.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:40 PM
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That's odd, because I saw a post where a man bragged about cheating on his wife with a sugar baby (and his wife was already a good wife and mother, in his words at least) and everyone congratulated him and asked him how much money it would cost for them to get this awesome opportunity too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:35 PM
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As someone who's mostly redpill, I can say cheating isn't right for any reason. Just end the relationship or don't do LTRs at all if you want variety so much. This goes for men and women. Well, we agree here.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:34 PM
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I've seen TRP discourage people from getting into committed relationships - but I have not seen active encouragement from anyone to actually cheat on their spouse. There was a post from a guy who was in a relationship with a woman he considered fairly "RP" and nothing wrong with her or their sex. This was on MRP. He began a sugar daddy relationship with someone else (worse, because he's also giving her $500 per sexual encounter or something) and all of the responses were "Wow, awesome!" or "How …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:34 PM
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Yes, but this specific post is about a woman behaving exactly like a man. Pretend she later comes out to be trans in her elderly years, and has a completely male brain in a female body. Also, if a man doesn't respect his marriage, he doesn't love his wife. I don't care if he thinks he does or claims he does- you don't repeatedly and unrepentantly hurt people you love. If he drunkenly kisses someone at a holiday party and regrets it, that's another story, but if he creates an Ashley Madison accou…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:33 PM
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when push comes to shove most of them will put female interests over men Most people will focus more on issues that benefit them than issues that don't, that's just human nature. Most feminists are female. Most anti-racists are people of color. Most MRAs are men. So be it. Also, most women (people, actually) aren't activists at all. Like, I care about men's issues and am happy to empathize and lend an ear of support to a man I know who is going through a hard time sexually (and I have) but I've …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:30 PM
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yeah whatever, anyone can pay lip service. Okay, fine, so even if women DO empathize with men's issues, you'd never believe them. You're not actually asking women to defend themselves or respond to you, because you wouldn't listen to anything we said anyway, you just want an excuse to complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:20 PM
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I have to say this is the one glaring thing in the race posts that drive me nuts- these guys get upset over women rejecting them for their race, but they'll ONLY date white blonde women? There are so many attractive women out there who aren't white and blonde. If someone limits themselves THAT much then they should expect some obstacles and nobody wants to hear the whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:19 PM
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Totally agree on the woe is me stuff. These posts should attempt to create discussions about sexual strategy, if the main point of the post is "Why should I believe/like/respect (gender) when they've been so horrible to me" that's a personal rant and not an actual discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:17 PM
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Can we get rid of "woe is me" posts in general? Anything that amounts to "Men/women, prove yourselves to me so I can respect you because I think you all suck" is a total shitpost and adds nothing to discussion. Nobody is going to care about proving themselves to an Internet stranger who thinks your gender sucks, it provides a lot of laughs and not much else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:16 PM
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A woman has a much harder time being sexually attracted to a man she doesn't respect. If she's fucking someone else, it's because she's not sexually attracted to her husband. This is a much tougher situation to save the marriage (assuming both parties even want that). Yes, but that's why I made this post. I'm saying if a woman cheats despite still being sexually attracted to your husband, would you treat that like a man cheating and have a similarly mild view of it? Or would you still think it w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:15 PM
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LOL I expect women to care about men's issues? Obviously not, why would I expect something that will never happen? Poor wording on my part- you're angry that they don't care about men's issues, but you don't care about women's issues. That's hypocrisy. I actually do care about men's issues (as much as female issues, anyway) but that doesn't mean I respect and like every man ever, or that I should have to. I don't respect and like every woman ever. There are a lot of jerk women around and a lot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:13 PM
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I mean more the "how do you hide away for 9 months while carrying another guy's secret baby" thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:11 PM
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If a man cheats, overall it's not as damaging to the relationship as when a woman cheats. To you, because you're a man. I would be completely devastated if my husband cheated on me and I would not believe him if he claimed he still loved me. Men who cheat do not love or respect their wives, they may delude themselves into thinking they do but you don't respect or love anyone who you betray consciously, especially repeatedly. Pregnancy is really the only viable way I can imagine female cheating b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:11 PM
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There isn't really a situation where a woman cheats on a husband that she truly respects and admires. Funny, this is how I feel about men cheating (or women, for that matter, I consider it equal). I don't care why they claim they cheated, but if they disrespect me enough to do something they know will cause tremendous pain to me, and if they disrespect me enough to break a vow they made to me, they can't possibly love me or respect me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:09 PM
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So it's not okay (which I agree with). Would you think it was OK if a man did it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:08 PM
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Like I said, I don't really care if you hate women, but you're outing yourself as a complete hypocrite. You believe that if a woman attempts to care/learn about men's issues, it doesn't matter because she's never experienced them (being that she'll never be a man). You expect women to care about men's issues (which is apparently impossible given that we're not men) but you don't care about women's issues. And you believe men, yourself being an example, have more empathy than women. You complain …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:07 PM
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I'd agree with that. Although funny enough, having a secret family you provide for would be nearly impossible for a woman- that's solely a man's action.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:01 PM
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Well, that's my opinion too, but I guess there are some people who disagree because they want to cheat but don't want their partner to, or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 05:00 PM
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So if someone cheats for the reasons outlined above, your opinion of the cheater is the same regardless of the gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:52 PM
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Well the OP is a parody troll I am 99% sure, but I'm sure someone will say this, great point! haha
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:50 PM
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AF/BB is an accidental strategy. I firmly believe that most women aren't looking for casual sex with hot guys with the desire to settle down with someone less hot- they want commitment from an attractive guy, but they often can't get it from the men they find most attractive, hence the "CC". I don't believe the CC is intentional casual sex, I think it is a bunch of misguided attempts for commitment. The strategy is more like "AB" but for many women, especially very picky women, that's what it tu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:49 PM
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Haha, I have a lot of experience with Internet trolls and have even created a few in my own day (not for the purposes of arguing on THIS sub, just some funny "obvious" parodies elsewhere)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:42 PM
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I'd actually be shocked if a guy didn't see why being fondled at the age of 10 wouldn't be traumatizing for anyone, male or female, but there are some wackos here, so who knows...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:42 PM
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I'm 99% sure this is a troll post so I'm not sure why I'm even commenting. But first off, considering some teenagers look more like they're in their early 20s, I can't say a guy is evil for thinking they're attractive, but there's major misinformation about how marriage "used to work." I took a lot of historical sexuality courses in college (They were never useful until I found this sub). There I learned that actually, in olden-days, it wasn't even that common for young virgins to be paired off …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:40 PM
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Wait, this isn't a parody troll? I thought it obvious was from day 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:35 PM
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When I was 10 I was pursued by a guy who was 15. Doesn't sound like much, but consider I didn't even have my period yet and I barely knew what sex was. He was extremely predatory with me and at one point tried to finger me (unsuccessfully) in the dark AV room because he was the counselor in training for that activity. The older girls saw him as a harmless weirdo because to them he was, but I thought he was terrifying.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:34 PM
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The most aggressive and boundary-violating guy who has ever been interested in me was older by 10 years and I was a teenager. It got to the point of my parents actually having to confront him because when I told him straight-out that I was not interested, he continued to text me a gazillion times a day asking for nudes and sex talk and once he actually said "I'm not going to take no for an answer." I'm not saying this is the case with every older man but maybe it's part of the reason I tend not …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:32 PM
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For Women: Out of the men you meet, what percent of them would you say are attractive enough that you would want to have sex with them? I'm answering from when I was single. This is also hard because I don't do casual sex and never did, so I'm going to answer in "I would have sex with this person IF I got to know them and I liked being around them and thought a relationship would be possible" (Because otherwise, the answer is 0- I DO NOT DO ONS). So, given that info, I would say that of men with…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:27 PM
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I'm a woman and I think this campaign is complete rubbish, if anything is really undermines women if we have to resort to begging men we don't know for money. It's absolutely preposterous. Women may have different struggles than men do but we don't undergo "more" emotional turmoil.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:22 PM
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MOST recently? I woke my husband up last night because I heard something outside and I wanted to check to see what it was. When I got back to the bedroom he was really pissed at me so I massaged him and scratched his back until he fell asleep again.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:21 PM
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Well, I am a woman and I know men have struggles that I can't fully understand (in the sense that I can't 100% relate, but I can empathize). My dad never had many of these issues, and I wasn't surrounded by any men who did in childhood (also, why would any grown man lament to a little girl about his sex life?) so these things didn't occur to me until my teen/college years. I feel very badly for many men who have these issues, but I think there are times when you're dealing with a help-rejecting …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:20 PM
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You are complaining that women aren't actually addressing your points (although as far as I can tell, many are) so I'll give this a try. You are weaker than me. That's probably true, I only squat about 140 lb and my upper body strength ain't great. I'm probably stronger than some men, but physically speaking women are less capable of building and growing muscle. So what? You are probably less intelligent than me. Me personally? My IQ is above average although not genius level. As for men and wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 04:13 PM
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That's a shame, I really enjoy seeing people fall for it! It's like the neckbeard troll we had a while back.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 03:57 PM
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It's a really well done parody troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/15 03:55 PM
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I may kick myself for this, and maybe it's just the men in MY life, but the men I am very close to are usually very rational and good at calming me down when I am anxious. Granted I've also met some extremely irrational men but the ones I surround myself tend to balance me really well. Oh, and with the exception of very few men, the men I know don't get offended by every damn thing. I've had female friends meet me for coffee and then blurt out that I "really hurt their feelings" three months ago…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/15 01:31 AM
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I'm being half-facetious. TRP's premise is that men will have sex with anything and women are the ones who are picky. I think that's oversimplified.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 10:27 PM
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The idea that partner count makes vaginas ugly and loose comes from a small relatively recent subset of vagina-stretching fetishists? Huh. I had no clue they were quite so well-known and prominent.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 10:13 PM
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SORRY I HAD TO :D
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:48 PM
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But he's presenting it as two options: if men don't date much younger, they date a "used up old slut." Obviously there are women in between "virgin 20 years my junior" and "50 year old woman who slept with 200 men." I think it's fairly obvious from his post that he believes this is a common, everyday occurance. It's NOT an everyday occurance for a normal dude to be forced into marrying an ancient prostitute, so I'm assuming his idea of a "used up old slut" is just a normal woman in her 30s who h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:47 PM
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I think it's possible to stretch one out, but ordinary sex wouldn't do it. There are groups of fetish people who actually use devices and dildos bigger than any real-life penis to stretch a woman, and I don't even know how permanent that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:45 PM
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You're heroin in a reality tv star? You're not attracted to molecules of heroin within the veins of a reality TV star? No wonder men are always complaining, this standard is unattainable! :P
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:43 PM
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That makes me wonder- what's a CC for a sex robot? Do you think anyone would buy "used models"? At a lower price of course. Great for first-timers on a budget!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:41 PM
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I suppose so! I hear they're being outfitted with a deeper understanding of Reddit comments than humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:40 PM
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jawline She's thin enough to have a jawline?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:40 PM
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Yeah, that's the average which includes people with kids, old people, people in bad marriages, etc. In an ideal world my husband and I would do it daily, twice a day on weekends, but sometimes we just wind up too tired after dinner or from work. I've never said no to him, it's usually more like both of us just falling asleep after a night out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:33 PM
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idk, Shanna Lynn sounds pretty hot...is there some sassy, hairy, back-talking sexbot who believes diets are oppression?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:31 PM
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That's how I feel about my preferences for a relationship with a man- both looks and personality being important- but I've seen it said here that for men, it is 100% looks, 90% looks at the least. Which of course means I'm a little less sympathetic when guys complain they can't meet women who they have anything in common with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:29 PM
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I don't understand what this comment means.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:20 PM
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I'm happy with my personality already, what I'm saying is men don't care about personality regardless of how good or bad it is. I may be wrong, but I'm just quoting men on this exact sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:20 PM
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Sub 8 guys can definitely still date and have sex, I don't think his looks were the problem. You hit the nail on a head with a few of your other comments though, but I think it goes deeper than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:19 PM
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No. They don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:18 PM
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This keeps getting better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:07 PM
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Oh, okay, well...I guess feel free to convince everyone to leave their relationships then.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:06 PM
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Well, I also pointed out that they would be far superior to real women considering men have no standards beyond physical appearance and sex, but tbh I'm treating this entire thread as a playground because it's just hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:03 PM
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SEXIST DOUBLE STANDARD! (No, but actually, I guess it kind of is. Not sure why vibrators are considered OK and flesh lights aren't, lol)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 09:00 PM
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Self cleaning function maybe? Oven? Could cause some burns though, that could get weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 08:57 PM
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But if we're only good for sex, how would we even be competition? What does an ordinary woman have that a sex robot doesn't have? (Well, other than a personality, but that's not relevant for men.) I may be a decent lay, but I'd be the first to admit I have nothing on a robot! So no, I don't think they'd want to kill us.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 08:56 PM
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*tips robofedora* you're welcome
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 08:55 PM
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It's not a false premise, it's saying "If you fall into this group answer my question, it's not aimed at anyone who doesn't fall into this group." If I started a question with "For all men who.." and a woman replied with "But I'M not a man!" would she be proving me wrong somehow?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 08:54 PM
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Well, the question is aimed at people who want LTR. So coming in telling me why you don't want an LTR doesn't really contribute.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 08:51 PM
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If they actually get consciousness they may start rejecting sexual partners or having preferences. Can you imagine? "Friendzoned By My Sexbot: A True Story"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 08:46 PM
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Could you imagine one of those things chasing you? That's pretty scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 08:07 PM
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But as the guy reached his late 20s or early 30s his friend noticed that "Chad" wasn't taken seriously as relationship material by girls his age due to his partying past. Yeah, that's pretty accurate. It's partially literal physical stuff, like I don't find those older leathery tattooed guys attractive, but any reasonably intelligent woman looking for a relationship will see previous promiscuity and infidelity as AT LEAST an orange flag, if not a red one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 08:02 PM
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All I can say is that if sex frequency is the thing that makes a vagina loose, I must be way looser than even my sluttiest friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 07:39 PM
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Where did I say the only issue I have with TRP is the language?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 07:32 PM
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Exaggerating jokes don't give a shit. A slut has a lot of partners and frequent sex for the purposes of most of that sort of banter. Okay, but even frequent sex doesn't change things down there. You clearly don't know sluts. The Coolidge Effect works for women too In TRPland, even having 6 sexual partners over the course of multiple years makes someone a slut, I imagine women who actually do sleep with hundreds of men each year who aren't actual sex workers are astoundingly rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 07:22 PM
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I made a post about that too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 07:19 PM
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I'm mostly joking, I like Reddit too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 07:17 PM
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I don't know much about the surgery, I'm sure a doctor would answer your concerns a little better than I would. Good luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 07:16 PM
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Granted I didn't see the video but even my "innie" looks slightly different after sex because of blood flow and engorgement (mind the disgusting words). Even a penis looks different immediately after rough sex than it did before sex while hard. Friction and blood flow can do a lot of things...temporarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 07:07 PM
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There's a difference between: "I have my period, so beware, I'm going to start eating chocolate by the gallon and crying so hard I flood the house!" (hyperbolic statement based on known PMS behavior that's actually real) and "I have my period, so I'm going to turn into a blue swan." Hyperbole makes sense when it's based on something that actually exists. Sexual partner count and vagina size/shape has zero correlation, so jokes about that aren't really hyperbole, they're just nonsense. A joke lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 07:04 PM
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I understand what it means, but what I'm saying is that since there is zero correlation between partner and vagina size, no matter how absurd or humorous your simile is, it's not based on anything remotely scientifically real.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 06:58 PM
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lol please quote where I said people had to get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 06:51 PM
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Okay, yeah, but her having several venereal diseases as the result of sleeping around is actually a real risk and very physically possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 06:49 PM
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Temporary inflammation would probably make things look pretty weird down there, but it would die down after a while. That said, it's possible she literally sustained injuries because this is an outrageous situation. Most "promiscuous" women don't attempt the 100-person gangbangs of professional porn stars. Especially considering TPR considers "promiscuous" to be 7 sexual partners over 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 06:47 PM
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Oh, okay. You realize this is a nearly physically impossible scenario, correct? The only person who would ever undertake this would be a professional porn star and she'd probably die before a year went by. This was not the type of woman the guy was referring to, and I think he meant "million" figuratively.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 06:46 PM
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Sure, but that would be like women equating men being players with having tiny green penises. Weird, maybe a little funny, but no medical or scientific reasoning whatsoever. I thought it was about reals?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 06:34 PM
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The only example I can think of is a grossly deformed 500 lb person...and the World's Fattest Man actually got married, so, I don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 05:46 PM
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This...with gross exceptions most people can be at least a 4, maybe even a 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 05:45 PM
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Mama June is probably a female 1 or 2: http://www.dbtechno.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/mama-june-4-665x385.jpg Do you actually think you are less attractive than she is? I don't know what you look like, but....
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 05:44 PM
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I know an attractive guy who is not only physically appealing (not 10/10 or anything, but tall and fit with good styling) and he's very smart as well as likable. He's become very successful in the tech industry. He's not a "natural" alpha, I actually saw some old pics of him and he was a bit of a geek (not ugly, just gawky). He throws cool parties, has a lot of male friends similar to him, and dates attractive women. The women aren't teenagers though, which perhaps is his choice or just the crow…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 04:35 PM
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Unless someone is grossly deformed (and maybe not even then) looks are rarely solely to blame for them being single...unless of course, they are only interested in people better looking than they are. Heck, there's a guy who was born without limbs and he has a girlfriend. I'm not saying looks aren't important of course, but if you are willing to date your physical equivalent it usually happens, provided your personality is good too. Most people I know who are unable to secure ANY mate (male or f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 04:31 PM
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I was about to say the same thing. I know men that TRP would consider "4 below" and they have girlfriends. The girls are just equal to them in looks. And Elliot Rodgers was actually pretty good looking and wealthy, clearly there were other reasons he wasn't doing well with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 04:20 PM
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I might have been the first guy she ever fucked, but she's been putting things up there for years. Like...tampons?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/15 01:59 AM
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Wrong. IMO, the red pill plan is to get equal or better treatment than previous partners. THAT'S completely understandable. But how do you know how quickly she put out for previous partners. If a girl has slept with 4 guys before you, for example, there's a chance she put out on the first night, or a chance she waited 3 months. How does a guy figure this out unless he knows all her exes?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 07:26 PM
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This would certainly make more sense. So if a RP guy wants to get serious with a virgin, he would abide by her wanting to wait, and he would be patient about waiting potentially months for sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 07:18 PM
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lol. Thank you, /u/_MaoistPussy, I can always rely on you for intellectual contributions to discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 07:17 PM
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Well, then. That's interesting. I assume he must've had some pretty incredible SMV to justify that investment. People tell me I'm out of his league, I think we are equals both physically and mentally. So if his SMV is incredible I guess mine is too? idk, he's been my best friend since I was really really young and I can't really see him objectively anymore. If by "allowed" you mean "allowed to take the moral high ground against RPers practices", then yes. So having a few physical preferences in …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 07:16 PM
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Human nature I think! It's unfortunate :/
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 07:07 PM
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Yeah, unless you're a professional athlete or something. I actually am a weightlifter and I am jealous of the fact that my husband barely has to work out and he has a "mesomorph" body type that looks fairly muscular and strong regardless (no, not Brad Pitt from Fight Club, just normal fit guy) whereas if I get sick for a few days and can't hit the gym, my glutes and thighs aren't what they were even DAYS ago. I've been trying to increase my glute measurement and over four years I've gotten MAYBE…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 07:00 PM
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When a woman wants to be a housewife, the softer feminists will say its her choice but the radical ones who run the show and make the laws disdain her for giving up her earning potential. Who gains from such a large influx of labor? Who gains from ridiculously high number of divorces? Who gains from single women putting off motherhood until her 30s? Who gains from modern feminism? Certainly not women. Huh. I actually agree with you here. I am I guess what you'd call a "softer feminist" in that m…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 06:57 PM
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Well, women are physically smaller and weaker on average compared to men, and there are a few radical feminists who will debate to the ends of the Earth to argue that this isn't true, or...(this one is hilarious) that women are fed less from birth because parents secretly want to keep them smaller. Never mind that in nearly every animal species, the male is larger than the female. Personally, I can acknowledge that I am probably smaller and weaker physically than your average man without feeling…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 06:54 PM
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Men also throw this crap at each other. It's stupid. And at women. "You're fat/ugly" seems to be the go-to insult when a guy gets ignored on Okcupid (I've never been on the site, only seen screenshots) which makes zero sense because like...why were you messaging someone you think is fat or ugly? Similarly for women it's "Well I never liked you anyway your penis is small." Really? You dated someone for a year and hated the sex with that person? I know a girl who got dumped after a really short te…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 06:50 PM
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Haha, I disagree with RPW on some things, which I can go into if you want, but they don't actively seek to harm others. Maybe the worst case scenario is "manipulating" a guy to propose by behaving and looking more attractive, but that's kind of win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 06:46 PM
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Let's say your husband loses all of his status because of something one day, then has a nervous breakdown, and becomes a "wimp" or depressed and insecure, what happens? I'd stay with him, he's gone through rough times before. I don't feel like airing it all here though, that would be disrespectful to him. I can't think of anything other than his infidelity or physical abuse that would cause me to leave and I am religiously against divorce except in those cases. Glad you asked. Mutual interests, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 06:44 PM
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I'm married to one man, I don't date anyone (this is more speaking hypothetically). And no, unless wanting someone to have things in common and be fun to hang out with is a "walking entertainment booth". Frankly, I'm wondering what dating criteria a woman could have that you wouldn't find offensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 06:24 PM
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Definitely not, I've lost my sex drive before due to medication and it was horrible. I felt like something was wrong with me and I felt guilty every time I had sex for not really finishing or enjoying it on a physical level, only an emotional level.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 05:40 PM
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Hypergamy isn't a social construct of the west. It appears to be a human universal for females. Certainly makes more sense that it would be more prevalent in cultures where women don't have as many career opportunities. If I made $20K a year, I'd probably be really adamant about my husband making enough that we could live comfortably. But if I make $80K a year, as long as my husband generally pulls his weight, I don't care if it's the same or more as I make. I do know women who require men to ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 05:38 PM
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I actually see a lot of posts on TRP about how a woman's vag looks like roast beef and/or some kind of explosion if she sleeps around. This, of course, makes no sense because that would mean a married woman's vag would be more torn up and gross than anyone's.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 05:31 PM
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I actually don't care that much about dongs. As long as they aren't unhygienic I've never encountered one I thought was gross or too small. In porn I've seen some that were too big. Granted my sample size isn't huge but it's big enough that I can safely assume it doesn't matter much. I used to be really self conscious about my own junk but I stopped caring because I couldn't even figure out what the issue was that I didn't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 05:30 PM
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From what I have seen the reason they wouldn't date red pillers is the same reason I wouldn't--they're jerks and they don't commit. Why would I want to date someone who had zero interest in marriage and family, who only saw me as a "pump and dump" and who spent all their time raging about women online, not to mention the fact that at 26, I'm like 10 years past my peak in their language? No thanks, there are plenty of guys who don't subscribe to that viewpoint who a woman can date, so if she want…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/15 05:28 PM
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