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Yes exactly. The women arent saying they never want to have sex again. They just want to do other stuff in addition to sex. A lot of guys want to just meet and fuck and not do anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 05:53 PM
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It is impossible to love someone you just met, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 05:52 PM
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Right. Men only have sex with prostitutes. With women they love they enjoy doing activities outside of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 04:23 PM
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If you like someone, you will like them for more than just sex. If you only want to have sex with them and are uninterested in doing other things with them, then it means you don't actually like them that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 04:21 PM
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Why is this wrong though? She wants the relationship to be multi-dimensional. You can bond over activities in additional to sex, making the relationship more fulfilling. Why don't guys want this?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/19 04:19 PM
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So slut shaming is just a way for men to shame loser, low value women, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 07:51 AM
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Well that's why you don't take one study in isolation. Here was the source for my 80% stat. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1363/4123109
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 07:08 AM
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It is not lost in the case of an economic recession. Studies show that being laid off doesn't increase the chances of your wife divorcing you, only being fired does.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 12:42 AM
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Poor people tend to have more casual sex than people who go to college, so including them would probably only boost the percentage.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 12:41 AM
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It looks like you don't understand what 'evenly-spaced' means. It means that if 5 guys were rated as a 1, 1, 2, 4, and 8, then the guy rated a 2 would be labeled average, even though he was only rated a 2 by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 12:40 AM
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If a woman leads a man on in order to get resources from him then she is clearly also in the wrong. I don't understand what point you are trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/19 12:36 AM
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I always dated men less educated than me. I don't think education matters as much as having the same middle class values.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 07:14 PM
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This decreases as the woman gets older and increases for men. The longer your relationship, the less chance your wife will divorce you and the more chance your husband will divorce you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 07:08 PM
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80% of men have casual sex in college, not just Chad. So they maybe be helping Chad get what he wants, but it's also not at their own expense. It is at their own expense, because everytime a woman has sex her value lowers. I actually agree with this. But it's still up to the women to not give it to them. If women didn't willingly slut it up for Chad, then Chad could not take advantage of them. Women still hold the power in that dynamic, so it's ultimately on them I'm afraid. Women follow men's l…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 07:07 PM
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No, it says in the blog that they evenly spaced out the attractiveness groups. Here’s the graph for female senders, plotted in evenly-spaced “attractiveness groups.”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 07:02 PM
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Men only love women conditioned on their youth and beauty, and even her novelty, which is impossible to sustain for the entirety of her life. Women love men based on the qualities in him they admire, which can be sustained indefinitely. So both are conditional but men's love has a definite expiration date.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 06:32 PM
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I agree but you have it backwards. Men want sex more than women, and women are penalized for having sex. So a woman who has lots of sex is helping others get what they want at her own expense. Men who have lots of sex are hurting others for selfish gain. So it is men who should be shamed for having lots of sex, not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 06:21 PM
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How many women do you know that meet strangers off of tinder just to fuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 05:50 PM
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The majority of women would not agree to have sex with a random stranger just for the sake of having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 05:48 PM
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At the very least it tells us that female sexuality operates differently than male sexuality. A lot of men here try to make women into gay men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/19 05:17 AM
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He didn't make any points. He just said the graphs dont line up. That's vague. What parts of the graphs don't line up? For instance, you could say that according to the first graph women respond x amount of times and according to the second chart women respond y amount of times. Since this doesn't match, something clearly must be wrong. But he didn't say that and you didn't either. You are just saying vague things and hoping people dont know any better and so won't bother to question you. If I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 09:36 PM
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Why would that make them useless? It tells us about female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 04:41 PM
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having a rare eye and hair color, Is that you iulicelac?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 03:46 PM
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Because I don't want that. My character and personality suck too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 03:45 PM
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Multiple studies confirm it to be true. And before you tell me women lie on surveys, I am talking about studies that look at brain scans, measure genital arousal, and track eye movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 03:43 PM
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You didn't spell out anything and I was a math major in college. What part of the graphs do not match in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 02:53 AM
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I don't know what that graph is or where you got it from or how it shows that OKCupid didn't use percentiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/19 12:21 AM
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Where does it show that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 11:52 PM
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How did OKCupid give women a head start? You didn't explain anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 10:05 PM
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No, because women's attraction isn't as based on looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 10:02 PM
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Look at the least attractive male message senders (red line). https://imgur.com/a/pmJi1Yn The least attractive women respond to them 45% of the time and the most attractive women respond 12% of the time. Now look at the least attractive female message senders. https://imgur.com/a/HNx7aa4 The least attractive men respond to them only 35% of the time, and the most attractive men only respond 7% of the time. Also, notice how the least attractive men respond to the most attractive women. It's 60% of…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 08:21 PM
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According to the OKCupid study they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 06:46 PM
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It's not about initial messages but replies. Women reply to unattractive men more then men reply to unattractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 05:00 PM
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My hope is to cook and clean until they forget how then they will feel like they cant live without me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 08:52 AM
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Don't be fooled. Men don't want to see your real self. They just want to make sure they don't accidentally marry a whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 04:48 AM
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No one does that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 04:45 AM
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Her husband probably wouldn't have married her if she had acted like that with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 04:32 AM
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Well I am worried that if I change one thing there will be unintended consequences and I might end up with something like a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 02:03 AM
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Except the girls liked it and wanted a relationship with him. So it was a fine except that OP didn't like these women enough to actually date them. He just wanted to use them for sex and validation until he could get someone better.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/19 01:56 AM
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Oh so by fucking women that liked you, you missed the opportunity to fuck women that you actually liked. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 09:57 PM
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How is that a missed opportunity for you though? You said that once you reined in that shit you got a girlfriend, but if you wanted a girlfriend then you could have dated them. How did reining in that shit help you get a girlfriend?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 09:43 PM
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I've lost many opportunities because I'm "too nice", and casual partners have caught feels for me and gotten all confused when I treat them well and spend any significant amount of time talking, cuddling, or doing things besides hooking up. How is this a missed opportunity? If they caught feels for you then you could just date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 08:43 PM
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I think men are fine. I would just change myself to be forever young and beautiful so they would always love me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 08:40 PM
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Yes I think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 07:59 PM
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I don't think it ever was protocol. The Titanic was the exception rather than the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 07:03 PM
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You are the only one here who doesn't understand her. He shamed her after he had sex with her, not before.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 05:20 AM
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No she said this. who has been slut shamed for dressing a certain way, whilst I was a virgin, and by the guy I lost my virginity to. (he didn't know) It was worded fine. She listed the times she has been slut shamed and there was no implication that it was all done by the same man. You just misunderstood.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 04:35 AM
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who has been slut shamed for dressing a certain way, whilst I was a virgin, and by the guy I lost my virginity to. (he didn't know) She clearly said he didn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/19 04:16 AM
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Yes. And the anger phasers always dominated the RP side of the discussion. Nothing has changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 06:24 PM
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There were always RPillers saying incel-like stuff for as long as I can remember. They just weren't characterized as incels before. Think of the infamous OKCupid study. RPillers were arguing that women only wanted the top 20% of men based on looks because of the attractiveness rating distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/19 05:07 PM
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The average is about twice a week according to surveys.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 06:07 PM
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It doesn't fit your ideals but it's still a real relationship and the majority of these couples are happy and having sex regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/19 04:36 PM
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Yeah I did this. I was homeschooled as a kid and didn't have any friends. In high school I tried to fit in by copying cool people but it just came off as weird and awkward and no one liked me. I had a friend but she would call me stupid and tell me to stop acting like a ditz. At least she would hang out with me though. She also introduced me to my first boyfriend. In college I had one friend that I would go jogging with, but I mostly kept to myself. At the end of college I decided to be social i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 03:59 PM
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If you don't wan't to marry an old woman, then start proposing to women at a young age.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:56 AM
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How many women did you propose to before the age of 28?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 04:53 AM
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There is nothing a woman can do to keep herself from aging.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 06:39 PM
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They claim that most men want and are searching for relationships ..ie monogamous relationships. The only men we care about are looking for monogamous relationships. The other men might as well not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 06:10 PM
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The majority of men have casual sex in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 04:39 AM
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What if it means that you are not hot enough to fuck exclusively and that she wants to keep her options open for someone better?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 04:34 AM
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He does if she's hot enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 03:59 AM
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This is already my life, so sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/19 03:18 AM
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They get bored of alphas too. It's a feature of female sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 04:56 PM
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I would like to ask redpillers the same question because it seems obvious to me that they never actually read the source papers and just took the stuff they read on TRP st face value
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 04:42 PM
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No books, besides The Elephant in the Brain which I wouldn't count. However, I have read most of the major papers online in Sage journals. Of course I've read the ones by Buss and Schmitt. I love evolutionary psychology and think it's an interesting field. I can't list everything I learned, but some stuff off the top of my head are parental investment and the effects it has on choosiness (Fisher's principle), the differences and similarities between the sexual strategies of men and women, differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/19 04:38 PM
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I never fantasized about top men. I stayed with the first guy that asked me out my entire 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 02:49 PM
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If I was a man yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/19 03:58 AM
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Yeah but you'll be a single mom. So it's minus 1000 to gain 100.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 03:34 PM
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That was the conversation I was having with /user/LeJacquelope. You could tell him that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 01:59 AM
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Do you agree that you were wrong about women being more attracted to the men in fantasy novels than their husbands then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 12:27 AM
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I know men like novelty. Yet the next one they jerk off to will also be young and hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/19 12:01 AM
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"Only men will ever understand what women feel"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:57 PM
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Okay so you admit that women aren't more attracted to the characters in romance novels than their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:55 PM
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Because they are more sexually attracted to these women than their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:51 PM
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You know very well why men masturbate to hot young women and not their wives. Stop being dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:47 PM
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For disputed paternity tests median levels of PD across 16 studies is 26.9% (interquartile range (IQR) = 16.7%–33.4%). However, being based on cases where PD was already suspected this inevitably overestimates population levels (table 1). For studies based on populations chosen for reasons other than disputed paternity (table 1) median PD is 3.7% (IQR = 2.0%–9.6%). While this is not a measure of population prevalence it does suggest the widely used (but unsubstantiated) figure of 10% PD21 may be…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:45 PM
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They still prefer to masturbate to hot young women rather than pictures of their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:40 PM
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What does that have to do with them jacking off to hot young blonds instead of women that look like their wives and girlfriends?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:32 PM
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I am talking about the study you linked. The 30% number was from men already seeking dna testing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:30 PM
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Just because they can't doesn't mean they don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:25 PM
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The 30% is examining cases of men that already questioned paternity, not the general population.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:24 PM
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Men love to have sex with hot young women but when they are ready to settle down with someone uglier and more dependable, they will? Is that the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 11:22 PM
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Preselection works for other reasons. If merely having sex with other women made men more attractive, then men would advertise that on their dating profile. Obviously it would hurt their chances, so they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 10:02 PM
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You are aware that 3/10 children are biologically different to the man she presents them to as his children? This isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 09:50 PM
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It doesn't happen that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 09:33 PM
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Men keep saying this but I have yet to see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 09:32 PM
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yes
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 09:31 PM
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Look at the highest paid cam girl on Patreon. That's what men really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 09:31 PM
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Not to women. It only matters to other men because they see it having sex with multiple women as an achievement.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 09:06 PM
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That's not remotely believable. Do you not care if people take you seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 09:06 PM
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Men really like having new vaginas. Otherwise they would happily marry a woman in order to gain access to her one vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 08:58 PM
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I have no reason to believe you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 08:51 PM
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Why did you think it would work?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 08:39 PM
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If you look at standards for marriage instead of sex, the pickiness levels of men and women converge.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 08:37 PM
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How many will want to marry me?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 08:36 PM
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I don't believe that only the top men have any value to women. You are measuring value using the male metric of how much casual sex a man can have. This is what men value, not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 08:36 PM
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Yes I went out of the house and no I am not deformed. You just vastly overestimate the amount of men interesting in dating an average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 07:03 PM
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I never tried Tinder. Why wasn't I drowning in real life attention though?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 06:44 PM
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Ask yourself why it is so cheap. It's because men want to fuck multiple women so any woman can find a man that wants to fuck her.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 06:43 PM
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"Women aren't prepared to give it up with any man" = Women want one dick. "Men are okay with dicking any women" = They aren't planning on marrying her anyway, i.e. they wouldn't be happy with that one vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 06:39 PM
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Why did you marry her then?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 06:35 PM
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Even as a young, white, thin Becky I only had a man interested in me once every two years so I don't believe this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 06:34 PM
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Vaginas are only more valuable than dick because each man wants multiple vaginas.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 06:31 PM
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Yeah. I don't know how it is different from normal attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 06:29 PM
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I'm a woman and I never experienced anything that could be called chemistry apart from all the usual features that make someone attractive. It seems to me that women use the word chemistry when they are unaware of what exactly makes a man attractive, or they want this information to remain hidden for one reason or another.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 06:21 PM
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That's all they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 04:53 AM
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What data? You didn't give any data from OKCupid or Tinder. That chart was made by some guy who blogs about gender issues. It disproves the bulk of your post. and only end up responding to the top 5-10% of men on the platform; Which means the bottom 90-95% of men get literally 0 responses. The flip side, however, is that this means the top 85-90% of women are competing for these same 5-10% of men, giving those men virtually unlimited options. None of this is true and none of the Tinder/OkCupid d…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 04:48 AM
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Exactly - the data says that on one website, organized one specific way, at one specific point in time, women sent far fewer messages than men and the few messages they did send were concentrated among a small portion of men. Data from what study says this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 04:26 AM
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The linked article FROM OK CUPID is literally titled 'A Female Advantage' . Did you even read that article? It says that women only have an advantage when they approach, which they don't. And men are going for women out of their league more than the reverse. When we looked specifically at sending the first message, we found one striking habit: everyone’s a reacher, meaning people tend to reach out to someone more attractive than they are. To put a number on it, men are reaching out to women 17 p…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/19 04:24 AM
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People of my in-group are unique individuals. People of the out-group are all the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 05:35 PM
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Women are repulsed by child-like behavior. You can express any emotion you want, just don't do it in a child-like way.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 02:47 AM
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I don't think it's foreign women, it's exposure to men and the things they say when sheltered by the anonymity of the internet. No warnings from mom and dad can quite convince you like hearing this stuff out of the mouths of men themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 02:43 AM
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I would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 12:51 AM
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It is fine as a general tool, although I wouldn't say this particular example is reasonable since rape doesn't happen frequently enough to warrant worrying about. Maybe if her lifestyle made her particularly prone to rape it would be reasonable. Suppose though that she started using "all men are rapist" in discussions with other people. This would be unnecessarily confusing. When people communicate, they speak in terms of things that are true or false, not what might be useful to believe. Even i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 04:59 PM
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I have to ask a few preemptive questions. Do you think that people can be entirely selfless, or is everything they do based on self interest? For an example, if a guy gives money to charity, is he doing it to feel good about himself or because he wants to help people? If he didn't feel good about helping people, would he still give money to charity? If so, then is the man who feels neutral or bad about helping people more selfless than the man who feels good about helping people?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/19 04:36 AM
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I would be more likely to ditch the husband than the kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 02:43 AM
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That's not what "on paper" means lol. We are going in circles at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 05:31 PM
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I am talking about this specific study. Why did women rate the men higher after being unknowingly primed with the abundant resource condition?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 05:27 PM
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Why would being unknowingly primed with symbols of wealth cause women to rate men higher?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 05:00 PM
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If that's all she valued him for, then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 04:14 PM
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That's not what "on paper" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 04:12 PM
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Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 07:39 AM
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What if they are interested in incels?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 07:25 AM
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Come up with something more intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 07:03 AM
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The things that men like about a women's body only last a couple decades of her life. What do men love after that fades?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 07:00 AM
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And men are only attracted to 21 year old Stacies. Blah. Blah. Blah. The memes are old.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 06:59 AM
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I am not talking about Chad. I don't know any Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 06:55 AM
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Money by itself doesn't create arousal. Women are attracted to the man. The fact that he has money says something about him that they like.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 06:10 AM
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Men crush on hot women with no context. Women do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 06:05 AM
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It's not an external feature if he earned the money.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 05:02 AM
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She didn't say the wall isn't real.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 04:38 AM
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I don't think they got wet at any of the men. It was meant to illustrate how female attraction is dependent on providership at low level arousal. This gives reason to suspect that higher levels would also be dependent on providership.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 03:50 AM
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Ask someone else. I asked someone else to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding you and this is was they said. he thinks big tall buff guys signal providership qualities to most women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 03:06 AM
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It doesn't have to be about money although some girls do want that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 03:05 AM
1

No. The sentence doesn't make sense. It's not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 02:59 AM
1

Yes. He signalled providership in Game of Thrones. He made her queen of the Dothraki and showed absolute devotion to her. I think he even saved her life or something. I don't really remember.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 02:43 AM
1

No it wasn't my original argument. My original argument was that signals of providership are required for sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 02:22 AM
1

Not how is it commonly defined here, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 02:19 AM
1

I don't understand how that statement relates to my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 02:00 AM
1

Why do you think we experience attraction in such different ways?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 01:49 AM
1

Yeah that's what I always thought it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 01:48 AM
1

I have no clue what you are talking about now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 01:46 AM
1

There was no association between the man and the house. They weren't thinking "oh this guy makes a lot of money, he's more attractive". It was a lizard brain reaction to being primed with good baby making conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 01:10 AM
2

He was getting you food lol. That's being a good provider. I don't think it's mutually exclusive with being aggressive and commanding. A certain behavior doesn't have to be alpha or beta. It can be both. What if instead he had commanded you to suck his dick? Would you still be so entranced?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 01:09 AM
3

I wish.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 01:05 AM
1

Would you say the bare minimum conditions are the ones responsible for sexual desire? Could beta traits be included in this?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 01:04 AM
1

Context or story is usually needed, but it's not relationship or provider stuff. It is though. Like in 50 shades the guy took her on helicopter rides and promised her everything she ever wanted. How is that not signalling providership?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 01:01 AM
1

Why don't women care about hot male fashion models or even sport stars? They crush over guys in movies with stories.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:55 AM
1

Well i can't comment about how a small town treated you because I wasn't there. All that's left is your comment about the book.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:54 AM
0

They like masculine killers that are willing to share their war loot with the her and make her his queen.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:53 AM
1

You are misunderstanding the study. The women weren't told the house was his. They were simply show a series of images and were not told why. At the end they were asked to rate a man. The woman shown pictures of houses and wealth rated the man higher than women shown resource-neutral photos prior to rating the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:51 AM
1

Didn't your husband seduce you by responding to "I'm hungry" by dragging you out of the bar to get you some food?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:48 AM
2

I'm a woman and I never knew what other women were talking about when they say chemistry.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:46 AM
2

One woman told me that having chemistry meant having interesting conversations with no awkward pauses. Would you describe it the same way?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:45 AM
0

Part of seduction is signalling beta traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:23 AM
3

No. Sounds stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:13 AM
1

I dont remember if he kidnapped her but he definitely didn't rape her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:12 AM
1

He asked her permission before they had sex and was absolutely devoted to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:10 AM
2

That was one example of a study but there are multiple that show the same thing. Another study had an attractive researcher approach women to take back to his apartment and less than 3% if women said yes. They did the same thing for men and if I remember correctly the majority said yes lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:07 AM
1

I was lumping all of those under the good genes category.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 12:05 AM
1

That just doesn't fit with my experience at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 10:59 PM
2

Hm okay. It's not something I ever experienced but I'll trust you that it's real.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 10:57 PM
2

That women would likely feel nothing without seeing Game of Thrones.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 07:32 PM
2

I addressed this in my OP. Did you read that part?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 07:23 PM
2

That's not what research shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 07:22 PM
1

One that punishes people for ghosting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 03:42 PM
1

It seems like you are saying Exit's personal attack was okay because you agree with it. And Exit made it personal. He told BDTY that he had no life. So if you think that telling someone they have bad reading comprehension counts as a personal attack you really should be campaigning to get BiggerD removed as a mod because he does it constantly. Why would I do that? I'm not the one who cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 03:18 PM
1

When rpillers formed their views about women they were looking at themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 03:10 PM
1

Unfortunately that doesn't make things any clearer.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 02:29 PM
2

What does raw sexual desire mean? How does it differ from regular sexual desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 07:34 AM
1

Exit_sandman said he had poor reading comprehension and said he was only glad he was a mod because he posted less. I don't see how that is any less a personal criticism than saying you talk about drugs too much. You are really stretching to claim that these two insults are fundamentally different. Especially since hammer made his during purge week and exit did not. Also, you promised you'd show me examples of TGP attacking people personally, where are they? That was just an example. I don't save…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/19 03:05 AM
2

Here is a mod nominee insulting another user outside of Purge week. If you are eliminate hammer for calling you boring, then you should also speak against exit_sandman for insulting BDTY. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/9l9rae/cmv_trpers_wont_even_try_to_understand_what_they/e7553r1/
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 06:26 PM
2

Okay so if I link GreasyPole mildly insulting a user during a Purge you would support him being de-modded?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 05:33 PM
3

Maybe most normie men dont care about picking up hoes for casual sex and want relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 05:25 PM
1

I think you are wildly exaggerating by calling this hate or a personal vendetta. He gave you a mild insult at one point in time during a Purge. It's supposed to be all in good fun. I am fairly sure that GreasyPole hurled a couple insults as well. Do you think we should de-mod him too?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 05:23 PM
1

Does he insult you outside of Purges?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 04:59 PM
2

What does it matter if he dislikes you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 04:33 PM
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The link showed him throwing a couple of mild insults at you during the Purge. That's not a personal vendetta. Shit posting and insulting other users is the whole point of the Purge. And he doesn't fancy Electra. They are IRC friends and anyone there can tell you there is nothing between them. He said he agreed with your advice btw. He just thinks talking about drugs so much is boring. You made it a big part of your identity here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 04:18 PM
2

I am capable of these things of course. Isn't everyone though? Including men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/19 04:46 AM
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You not being her type is an assumption you've made and not something known. People tend to make negative assumptions about people they don't like in order to justify why they don't like them. That's what's going on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 02:01 PM
1

Friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 07:29 AM
1

No. I have been trying to get someone to test it for a long time though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 07:19 AM
1

Also for women. According to previous findings, we expected a positive relationship between narcissism and actual speed dating success (being chosen for further dates; see Dufner et al., 2013) as well as mate appeal as perceived by others (Carter et al., 2014a; Holtzmann & Strube, 2013a; Rauthman & Kolar, 2013). Our findings largely confirm the positive role that narcissism plays for (short- and long-term) mate appeal in men: We found that narcissistic men were perceived as more favorable partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 06:41 AM
1

I think the right thing to do would be to end the relationship. The guy doesn't want to be in a relationship with her. He wants to pump and dump her. So he should do that so she can be free to find a man that actually loves her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 04:57 AM
3

I know her from discord.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 04:53 AM
1

She is not fake she has just become scared of men from reading the stuff men write online.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/19 04:28 AM
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Women who get pumped and dumped are the female 'losers' of the SMP. Men are horrified when they found out they committed to a low value woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 09:38 PM
1

I second /u/hammerhaunts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 02:10 AM
4

"Never miss an opportunity to remind yourself that you are better than others. Sincerely, PurplePillDebate"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/19 01:17 AM
1

Oops. I didn't read it carefully enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 10:08 PM
1

This answer surprised me. Before I thought you said you wanted a guy who dated attractive women because this would mean you are also attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 09:34 PM
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I never thought about how good sex was, just how much I liked being around someone. And I never worried about being the best at sex but I have worried about being hotter than all his exes. The only thing that makes sex better with a man imo is if he can get hard and not ask for porn sex (anal and threesomes)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 03:50 PM
1

Yeah I think this is all very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/19 04:14 AM
1

Huh? You aren't making any sense. Did you reply to the wrong comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 10:29 PM
1

Were you trying to confirm my pov or provide a a counter-example?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 10:11 PM
2

That's not how it works though. Get rid of the romantic fantasy that some shy guy who never approaches women will step out of his comfort zone just for you because you are worth it. The reality is that if a guy approaches you, he approached 15 other women before you and you just seemed like a sure bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 08:38 PM
1

I never suggested that you stop having sex so I don't know what this is all about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 08:35 PM
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When did I tell you to stop having sex with women? If you don't care then it doesn't matter anyway. Fuck or date whomever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 08:25 PM
2

Well we have different values. Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 08:23 PM
2

I just wouldn't use this criteria in isolation. Look at how quickly she answers your texts, how close she tries to stand next to you, if her voice pitch goes up, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 08:18 PM
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Didn't read it sry. And yeah, the build up is what makes the sex good. I really don't get men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 08:08 PM
1

Are you a man or woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 08:01 PM
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I'm sure at no point in those hookups he was honest about he felt about those women. He is also a hypocrite by judging them for the exact same behavior he was engaging in. I observed and vetted him for a year. That makes this even more weird. You observed him pumping and dumping women and trash talking them behind their back and you thought to yourself "this man is worthy of admiration and respect". And you weren't actually dating during this time so I don't see how waiting a year while he fucks…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 08:01 PM
7

He is a liar and shits on people who he is friendly towards behind their back. You could have easily been one of those hoes he fucked and then trash talked later.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 07:25 PM
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How did you not lose respect for him immediately after that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 07:19 PM
2

It's weird to me that men don't seem to enjoy the build up at all. Do you go to a fancy restaurant right after you've gorged on McDonalds too?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 07:17 PM
3

he'd trash talk sluts The same women he was fucking?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 07:12 PM
3

That's true whether she wants to have sex right away or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 07:08 PM
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I just wanted to point this out because it is a common reasoning error people make. Women make a similar mistake when they say "I want a guy who likes me enough to ask me out". By making this their litmus test, they are selecting for guys that frequently approach women and might have just seen the woman as an easy, low risk target.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 04:57 PM
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By doing this you aren't necessarily selecting for girls that are into you but for girls that have sex right away. If she had sex with you on the first date then she probably did the same for all the other guys she dated.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 04:44 PM
0

Yes. But I think that this is the norm with women and you are the anomaly. I don't think the majority of women can feel lust as quickly as you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 03:52 PM
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She will still know in her head and think "I'm a slut" and feel bad. Plus lying is stressful and makes you feel bad too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 03:50 PM
1

The fun part of sex is the anticipation and build up. It is only after getting to know a person that you can really lust after them. If you have sex right away there is no chance for lust to build up so its just a mechanical action that you do with no sexual arousal, passion, or meaning. I don't understand what people get out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 03:49 PM
1

I don't see why that would be the case. The majority of people who online date use multiple dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 03:42 PM
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It only has to be one man from your social circle to make you less attractive to every other man in your social circle. No one wants to wife the girl his buddies already banged.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 07:44 AM
1

Because each time a woman has sex with a new man her value goes down. Also it takes all the fun out of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 07:11 AM
1

It's slightly annoying but I wouldn't hold it against him because I know he's just trying to be nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 06:15 AM
1

What was she planning on cooking in that kitchen.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 05:58 AM
1

I didn't make a presentation out of it, but here are some screenshots. https://imgur.com/a/u6hwLlV
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 05:55 AM
3

I don't care much about marriage as long as there is lifelong commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 03:49 AM
2

How long would it take you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 03:48 AM
2

If it only takes 1.5 hours every other week why not just do it yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 03:37 AM
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I'm not doing it at all. I just know I wouldn't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/19 12:56 AM
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It sucks. There is nothing enjoyable about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 04:25 PM
1

This wasn't about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 04:23 PM
1

That's the part I don't understand. If someone is attractive to you then how does making them more attractive on a global scale make the sex any better? Is having sex with a 7 really that much better than a 6 if you find them both attractive? I just cant imagine this to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 04:23 PM
8

What's wrong with having sex in a relationship? Its better sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 04:17 PM
1

Why wouldn't it also apply to casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 04:21 AM
1

Women don't want to give up their jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 02:33 AM
1

No it's not a good choice for anyone. That's why no one is a stay at home parent anymore. Both parents work.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 02:14 AM
1

I want my boyfriend to stay at home while I work lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 01:29 AM
1

We aren't talking about if its works or not. We are talking about whether or not its a smart life plan for women. And its not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 01:22 AM
2

I already did test it without the child molester parts and most women said no.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 01:15 AM
1

Those men that live alone don't have a family. Try adopting two kids and then seeing how much time you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/19 12:48 AM
1

Your solution was to get a part time job while being a SAHM so you could easily transition into the job market upon divorce. But a wife that works on her career part time while staying at home taking care of the kids is not a SAHM.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 10:57 PM
1

The OP was addressing SAHMs. Your solutions amount to 'don't be a SAHM'. If you are working part time its most likely a dead end low pay job. And its hard to raise kids while going to school and working. You can hire someone to watch the kids for you but then you arent a STAHM.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 07:29 PM
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You won't get alimony unless you have been out of the job market for a certain amount of years. So you get divorced at 37 and go back to working minimum wage jobs with a small stipend from your ex. You also have to find some way of taking care of your kids while you are going back to college or trying to climb the ranks of some shitty entry level job. The job market is already hard. Imagine being in your 30s and having a blank space for 10+ years on your resume with no references. Your ex howeve…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 06:54 PM
1

No it's a bad idea in all cases. You can't survive for the rest of your life on alimony unless you marry a millionaire and you only get alimony if you have no means of supporting yourself anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 06:30 PM
3

Okay but that's still a bad situation for them and therefore being a STAHM is a poor life choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 04:09 PM
1

Basing your future on any person but yourself is one of the stupidest things you can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 03:26 PM
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Divorce doesn't favor women. They might get a better deal than the man but they are still worse off after the divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 03:23 PM
1

No I think that's still misinterpreting the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/19 03:33 AM
1

That OKCupid blog post only showed that women rated most men below average but still messaged them. Men rated women higher but the majority of their messages went to only the top women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 05:04 PM
1

If the majority of couples have sex more than once a week and report being satisfied with their sex life, then why are we wrong to assume the majority of men are satisfied? Is regular sex with a woman you love not good enough for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 04:59 PM
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107 upvotes and gold for a blatant lie. They don't care if it's true. They just want to shit on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 03:24 AM
1

I hate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 03:14 AM
1

According to RPillers some guy writing something in a blog is a study.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/19 03:05 AM
2

Yeah the features of any guy that has ever liked me before becomes more attractive and the features of guys who don't like me become less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/19 05:04 PM
5

Would he do free stuff outside? Also Netflix raised their prices again. Youtube is free.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/19 10:19 PM
5

You were hearing it from the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 09:49 PM
7

If he wants a relationship with her then it's not just about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 09:44 PM
2

I've only heard fuckzoned being used in the way /u/wokein described.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 09:43 PM
4

I think your perception is just biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/19 09:40 PM
1

I have never seen this to be the case. Whenever a woman is really into a man he loses interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/19 05:53 PM
3

What if you don't want a man who has a weird purity fetish?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/19 06:22 PM
1

I only said change the yes to a maybe. The options are [no, maybe].
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:40 PM
3

He can still screw it up by not hitting on her in the right way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:10 PM
0

How many men you walked past today would have been a definite yes or definite no at first glance ? Change the yes to maybe and it would be all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/19 06:09 PM
1

this might sound ridiculous and absurd to you, but you might wanna chad catfish on an online dating app to get a grip of what insane difference there is. I actually did multiple times. I catfished for incels and sometimes found them interested girlfriends. One guy I couldn't find anyone for so I admitted that he was trucel and had a valid complaint. Another guy told me that 'fat women didn't count'. Another guy seemed to have more hope for awhile but then quickly forgot about all his matches and…
/r/BlackPillScience06/03/19 08:03 PM
1

Well I agree online dating sucks for men, but I don't think it's because all women are going for the hottest man. If that were true then the highest rated man would get more messages and responses than the most attractive women because all women would be going after him. But that's not what we see at all. Stacy get many, many times more messages than Chad so all women can't be bottlenecking onto Chad's penis.
/r/BlackPillScience06/03/19 07:48 PM
1

If you look at that whole study women messaged a greater percentage of unattractive men then men messaged unattractive women. So even if men rated women more fairly, they still went after hotter women more. This is the graph for female senders. The least attractive men replied to the least attractive women 35% of the time. Here is the graph for male message senders The least attractive women replied to the least attractive men 45% of the time. Also look at the difference when the most attractive…
/r/BlackPillScience06/03/19 07:21 PM
1

Thank you for editing your post, I respect that. I also have read hundreds of studies. My conclusion is that women care more about status then men so they are more hypergamous when it comes to money and status. When it comes to looks, men care more, although only marginally.
/r/BlackPillScience06/03/19 06:55 PM
1

Meanwhile , these results do not translate into women as both ugly and attractive women showed more interest for the attractive men and no interest in the ugly men. This is not true. Women showed equal interest in both unattractive and attractive men. Here is the chart. https://imgur.com/a/LT3QPVJ Unattractive men show more interested body language towards unattractive women and attractive men showed more interest in attractive women. For women they showed EQUAL INTEREST REGARDLESS OF THE MAN'S …
/r/BlackPillScience06/03/19 06:30 PM
2

In fact he lost his virginity to a 4/10 ethnic average girl that no high value man would ever sleep with. He explicitly says he lost his virginity to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:56 PM
2

Why didn't you try to date her?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 02:17 PM
2

The original post said he lost his virginity to an ethnic woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 02:15 PM
1

I mean why aren't you still with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 07:20 AM
1

I don't have anything to offer the new guy and he doesn't sound appealing. The first guy might actually like me. What was wrong with the ethnic girl btw? What happened to her?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 07:03 AM
2

But then later you find out he used to be a skinny socially retarded dork with no friend and didn't lose his virginity until very recently. In fact he lost his virginity to a 4/10 ethnic average girl that no high value man would ever sleep with. I would rather have this guy than the new 'high value' guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 06:02 AM
3

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4011637/ Whereas husbands were more satisfied at the beginning of the marriage and remained more satisfied over the next four years to the extent that they had an attractive wife, wives were no more or less satisfied initially or over the next four years to the extent that they had an attractive husband. Most importantly, a direct test indicated that partner physical attractiveness played a larger role in predicting husbands’ satisfaction than predict…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 01:51 AM
1

Date people from your social circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 01:56 AM
1

Within your friend group.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 01:56 AM
8

Why does everyone think that bars/clubs are the only other option?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 05:05 PM
2

Yet those same women will say a man with a very low or non existent N count is a dealbreaker. Are you sure about that? I am against both slut shaming and virgin shaming. Maybe it's not the same women you are looking at.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 04:55 PM
16

There are studies that show men are happier when they have a more beautiful wife. The same was not true for women with attractive husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 06:04 AM
21

I don't mind unattractive, but it sucks knowing that there is no way I could make my boyfriend as happy as a beautiful woman would.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 05:43 AM
1

How would have that evolved in men?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/19 02:28 AM
6

Well you are free to want that. But OP and you would be considered no gos for most of the women here in LTRs so the question is sort of irrelevant. The answer is just we wouldn't want to date a guy with those values in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 04:07 PM
9

We want men who value our commitment as much as we value theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 03:51 PM
2

Are you more sexually attracted to younger women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 03:21 AM
1

You sexually settle for older women then. Ironic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 03:08 AM
3

Men like young women because they look better and men primarily care about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/19 02:51 AM
2

No I am just straight. I am either neutral towards their looks or dislike their looks but I never feel aroused by anyone's looks. I think a lot of women are like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 02:41 AM
1

It is true for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/19 01:50 AM
2

Comfort and trust is required to even be attracted to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/19 07:32 PM
5

Might want to take a look at this study. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886918306159 Personality matters for men but for women, not so much. Consistent with previous research we find that for both sexes, extraversion has a positive linear relationship with sexual frequency. The same is also observable for males that are more conscientious, more emotionally stable, and less agreeable; indicating that for men, a greater number of personality factors matter in explaining the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 06:53 PM
1

Even 55% seems way too high.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/19 06:28 PM
1

That is bad too but its not what we were discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:19 PM
1

Im not saying women need defending. I am just pointing out that Sir K is not as impartial as he thinks he is since he mocks anyone who is pro woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:18 PM
2

Women would be equally responsible in this situation if they were making an informed choice. However since men lie about their commitment levels, women are not willfully choosing casual sex. They are choosing to have sex with a man they think likes them and would consider having a relationship with them. They think this because men lead them to believe this is true in order to get sex. If men stopped lying and told women "I don't like you enough for a relationship but I like you enough for sex" …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:16 PM
1

Maybe about 20%-50% do but if you are a guy having casual sex, you are going to be taking advantage of a woman at some point. Whenever a thread on this topic comes up the men here admit that they leave thing purposefully ambiguous in order to string women along for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 04:08 PM
0

Simps and white knights are people who defend women. So you mock women and the people who defend women. How very fair of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 06:20 AM
6

Casual sex is using women in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 06:18 AM
3

Nah, the equivalent is 'men are competent'.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/19 05:48 AM
2

None of what you just said is the same as 'women fucking jason mamoa types until they are ready to settle'.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:44 PM
5

According to trends, many women only date/marry these guys after they've been ran though by the Chris Hemsworth and Jason Momoa type and do it not out of actually liking these men but because they want a provider. What trends? The manosphere just makes this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/19 02:29 PM
5

I'm definitely not on your wife's side here, but if she was married to you for 8 years I doubt she bailed just because that was the first time things got rough.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 06:11 AM
1

Sublime is right. I most often hear it used to describe only wanting someone better than yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 04:53 AM
3

You can't fool someone into an LTR like you can casual sex. If you don't want an LTR you can just leave and you already got the sex you wanted anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/19 04:37 AM
4

Women almost always want relationships so why not just tell her directly from the start that's not what you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 08:23 PM
1

This thread illustrates how men act beta in order to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 08:22 PM
6

Why not just leave us alone instead of lying to et sex. Go to a prostitute or only fuck women you are actually interested in.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 08:20 PM
1

I don't believe communication actually works that well. In the OP situation he is just making his gf feel bad. There is nothing to be gained from telling her and there is nothing she can do to help. In other cases, the problem is either so transitory as to not being worth bringing it up and causing relationship stress, or so deeply established that it would require your partner to exert sustained effort over long periods of time in order to make a change. In the best case scenario, asking him/he…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/19 06:49 PM
1

It was probably RP men saying that not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 08:10 AM
2

Why even bother? Throughout history men have never seen women as equal human beings and even if you manage to empathize once or twice it will be a constant struggle to see us equals. Women should just give up this dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 04:21 AM
2

Maybe with NiceGuys you have a point, but JustNeckBeardThings is clearly mocking unattractive men, just like WHAGMG is mocking low value women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/19 12:58 AM
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/r/justneckbeardthings and /r/niceguys exist to mock men and they are more popular than the subreddits you listed
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/19 08:15 PM
1

Strip clubs for women are so comparatively rare. That should tell you something about how male and female sexuality are different. For every one for-female strip club I bet there is a 100+ male ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/19 05:31 PM
2

I’d like someone to explain to me Magic Mike, US men of steel, female strip clubs, etc. They are more of a novelty gag. I also have never seen a female strip club in my life do they actually exist?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 08:29 AM
3

There is no reason to think this unless you have assumed it from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 08:06 AM
2

Look two comments up. It's men that want Stacys.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/19 08:04 AM
1

Sorry she left you. It must have hurt a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 05:51 AM
2

Why would you downplay that? It's a likable quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 05:43 AM
2

Not bonding to someone after sex seems un-human to me. I don't trust anyone who can do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 05:39 AM
2

The first relationship ended because I was a rebound and the relationships was all about sex, no complaints here. This is a red flag because it means you can have sex without getting attached.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 05:33 AM
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awalt
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 04:51 AM
2

Yeah... no woman has ever seen a hot guy and thought "I would let him do whatever he wanted to me" before? Doubtful. No woman has ever seen a hot guy, got turned on just from his appearance, imagined fucking him and started getting hot and wet? Doubtful I never have.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 04:49 AM
1

They can’t find a man physically/sexually-whatever attractive without being his object of attraction first? This is true for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 04:41 AM
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Every study and article i've read on this says otherwise. Men shoot for a narrower range of women, there is more variance in what women find attractive, and average guys do the best in online dating
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 04:38 AM
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He said she was on the fence though. And being pushy can definitely force a decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 04:32 AM
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Women dont hang out with Benedict Cumberbatch either yet he has his own fan club. Why do women find him sexually attractive but not Elon Musk? Also women being attracted to high status men because status makes them good providers seems undermine your entire point. Nothing about cjx's personality is sexy (no offense to cjx) so I still dont see anything meaningful behind your categorization. Alphas, according to your definition, should be the sexiest men. But none of the men you call alpha are any…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/19 02:11 AM
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She is attracted to his status which signals wealth and providership. If Elin Musk goes bankrupt in ten years none of those models would be interested. Are you going to answer my question about PPD users or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 08:39 PM
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Well they are all famous so they are going to be high status. Interestingly, women don't lust over any of these men, besides perhaps Brian Cranston. Even Michael Phelps was never really a sex symbol among women. So alpha = sexy doesn't seem to hold in any of these cases. What about the regulars on PPD? You didn't answer that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 08:22 PM
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Okay classify all the regulars in PPD and some well known people, Steve Jobs, Obama, Musk, Michael Phelps, Brian Cranston, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 07:23 PM
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I know what it means. I've been here in PPD for 4 years now. I can't use it to classify the men in my life in any meaningful way, and you couldn't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 04:38 PM
1

Yeah I know what Alpha and Beta means. It doesn't translate to real life men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 02:50 PM
1

Be tan or man.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 06:51 AM
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If you can, or anyone else could, then I would change my mind about alpha and beta men. So please share it if you come up with something.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 04:22 AM
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No I don't think it is. When you think of the men you know, are you able to classify them as alpha or beta? I can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 03:59 AM
3

Math nerd please.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/19 03:40 AM
7

How do you feel about fat women? Did you date them before? Do you date them now?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/19 05:39 PM
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The parents don't know the risks either. You do and still choose to hurt the woman for selfish transient gain.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:47 PM
4

That's obviously not the case though. You can tell someone not to eat cookies because it makes them fat. They might eat it anyway knowing this risk. That doesn't absolve the manufacturer of blame if the cookies cause cancer and they didn't inform the consumer.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:35 PM
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They are cautioned for reasons other than mentioned by the men here on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:06 PM
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Edited to less femcel language
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:47 PM
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If they don't know the consequences and you do than you are still morally culpable despite them freely choosing casual sex. It would be like some company knowing that there is a cancer causing ingredient in their food but not informing the customer.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:44 PM
1

I don't want high n-count men so its not my problem either.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:15 PM
1

Huh? That's my friend. I don't know anything about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:06 PM
-1

Yes. The high n count men here have a problem settling down. The high n count women do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 08:39 AM
0

Xem have you tried dating anymore?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:35 AM
1

I pity men when they have legitimate complaints. Your gripe is so trivial and shallow it deserves to be mocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:24 AM
1

If him paying 50% is so important to me, then it wouldn't matter if he did in the past or not. He's not doing it now. I don't get forcing someone you love to do something they don't want to do out of fairness or any other reason. If my boyfriend isn't happy doing something then it's not going to be fun for me either so I don't even see the point. Suppose I pull up logs of his last wedding and confront him with the fact that he spent x amount of dollars on his ex and so to be fair he needs to spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:21 AM
1

Poor men have to settle for a woman that isn't prime 18 year old flesh. How ever do they survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:14 AM
-1

Well maybe I misunderstood you. What part is actually important to her? Just having a wedding at all? Then the vegas wedding will do. Having a wedding at a church? Then have it as a church. Guy not willing to fund it because he doesn't want to waste money on stupid shit? She can pay for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:12 AM
0

If she didn't want the huge magical wedding why would it be important to her?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:06 AM
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Meanwhile, women give up her youth and best years to some other man, something that is never coming back. They can't save their youth until the right man comes along.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:37 AM
2

Still seems petty to me. If the girl wants a huge magical wedding then she can pay for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 06:34 AM
2

It's pretty dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 05:40 AM
2

I wouldn't be expected if she's not a petty, superficial bitch.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 05:34 AM
2

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jean_Twenge/publication/232591313_Changes_in_Young_People%27s_Sexual_Behavior_and_Attitudes_1943-1999_A_Cross-Temporal_Meta-Analysis/links/554b9ecb0cf29f836c97446e.pdf Table 2 lists the number of sexual partners since 18 as approximately 4 for women and 11 for men. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/ad/ad362.pdf This source has 6 for men, 4 for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 05:30 AM
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They aren't in the back waters. They are going to your college.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 06:56 PM
2

She also values his love and commitment. She assumes that he values her love and commitment equally. And yes this makes women less shallow than men who just want nsa with hot young coeds.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 06:55 PM
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Because when we discuss these things we are talking about the general population and not your personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 05:48 PM
4

I don't desire bad boys and your views are repulsive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 05:09 PM
5

The guy doesn't love the woman. He doesn't want to be with her into old age or start a family with her. So the woman should tell him and all other men like him to fuck off. She definitely shouldn't have sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 05:07 PM
5

Okay so you don't love her. Why should women do anything but tell you to fuck off?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 05:01 PM
2

Okay but you don't want to marry her and spend your life with her. So why should she risk having sex with you? You don't love her you just want the ego boost that comes from getting the woman that other men want. Either that or you just want to fuck her while she is young.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 04:59 PM
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They do but it's by 1-2 partners. So at max women are sleeping with 9 men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 04:52 PM
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Actual statistics on this say otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 04:49 PM
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Because if you ask me whether I would want to have a ONS with the man I love, or be with him forever and have kids and a family with him, I would obviously choose the latter. I don't understand why men would ever choose the former unless they don't really love women at all. I guess that's my answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 04:17 PM
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I'm not convinced that there is any conflict. Looking outside, people seem to have normal relationship problems like not getting along with their in-laws. There is no big war over male vs. female imperatives. I think it's all made up online because people love to have their insecurities validated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 07:18 AM
1

Salsa and swing dancing groups are good places to meet women. Usually there are more women than men and you don't have to talk so its less awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/19 03:56 AM
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That's true and I've read those studies. That's a point people frequently gloss over.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 03:45 PM
12

So women don't like misogynistic assholes now? They like white knights after all?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 06:43 AM
1

Well thanks again!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 05:38 AM
1

Thanks =)
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/19 03:30 AM
1

What if you compared to her how other girlfriends treated you? Then you wouldn't have to rely on guess work since you had first hand experience. If a woman treats you better than any other woman then you know you got a good deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 10:43 PM
1

I don't mind although attention is nice too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 10:40 PM
2

If it's the same woman then yeah I agree with you 100%. Don't keep chasing a woman after she rejects you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 08:21 PM
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Go out as normal. No one hits on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 08:18 PM
1

To question the logic of it or ask if it's emotionally motivated. What's wrong with this questions? For most men nowadays the fact that a woman finally chose them (did she even, or did she settle?) after riding 30+ other guys isn't exactly assuring. That's not how it works though. You never asked her out, ever. She dated them first because they asked her out first.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 04:32 PM
1

Expect what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 03:49 AM
1

That's not a unicorn, it's a normal relationship. The manosphere has warped your perception of how relationships are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/19 03:32 AM
1

You can do what you want of course. I am just questioning the logic of it. I suspect it's more emotionally motivated anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 07:07 PM
1

Well maybe doing X caused her to lose attraction or caused other problems and she doesn't want to fuck up your relationship like she did the last.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 06:01 PM
1

The order of the men she dates is determined by the order in which they approach her, and not from favorite to least favorite. You might as well be selecting for women born in March and saying this will prevent being with someone who is settling. You would be much better off looking at how she treats you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 05:00 PM
1

I think your litmus test would not eliminate women who are actually settling and would eliminate women who aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 04:07 PM
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You don't actually know which factors she prioritizes though. Height could be meaningless to her but a deep voice very important for an example. It is unlikely that you are worse than him in every way especially since he had some critical flaw that caused their relationship to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 06:07 AM
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So a girl is seemingly in love with you, wants to spend all her time with you, wants to have sex with you, wants to get married and have your kids. And you find out she dated a taller guy in the past. You would break up with her?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/19 06:00 AM
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Assuming the metaforical "I" even met her before. Well if she didn't know you before than she obviously couldn't have 'chose' you. And if you did know her and didn't ask her out before than she probably assumed you didn't like her. How was she actually supposed to choose you first if she had no opportunity to? All I have to do is to know about the qualities that her previous partners shared with the current me. If there are too few similarities or no similarities at all, then I know that she was…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 07:18 PM
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Sure, a woman may say that the guy she had sex with in her past is not her first choice, the guy she settles with is. But that does not change the fact that the man is likely to feel like he is only the second choice. Women don't choose they either accept or deny offers made at them. You didn't ask her out before so that's why you weren't her 'first' choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 07:04 PM
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How is this equivalent to the gender reversed scenario? Men aren't worried about the woman being obsessed with a guy from their past. They are worried that their girlfriend might have had a drunken hookup and so they are inadvertantly settling for a slut aka low value woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 07:02 PM
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I don't think you gave them a chance. :/ I know most would probably ghost because that's what women do but you cant conclusively say 'she just wanted entertainment/money/validation' before you even got to know her. It just seems like you are rejecting women before they can reject you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 05:19 PM
1

I like guys that pay a lot of attention to me and talk to me a lot and ask for reassurance so I don't have to feel anxious and insecure all the time. What personality trait is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 06:45 AM
-1

The girls you matched with on Tinder weren't all single moms were they?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 06:43 AM
1

. I am a male in my 30s, who dated in the West using a serial monogamy strategy (average 2 years per relationship) from my 20s. Did you just break up with them after two years? How did you plan this out?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 06:37 AM
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We don't believe you because we notice what kind of women men obsess over. We would have to be blind or stupid not to notice. Why in your opinion do men obsess over hot instagram women instead of Becky next door? They will gladly fuck Betty they don't throw money at her for existing or give her marriage proposals. She does not get the same treatment that men give beautiful women even if she passes the bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 06:09 AM
1

You are acting like all escorts are high end professionals. She could be just some college girl trying to make a few extra bucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 04:49 AM
2

It made it worse and I wish I never heard of RP
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 04:30 AM
1

There is some important detail that you are leaving out. I am not confused at all. Escorts don't always fuck the guy and in that case you were just paying for their time. Can you describe exactly how the conversation went down?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 04:28 AM
1

How do they ask? Do you live in the states? They might actually be escorts and you weren't aware of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 04:20 AM
1

I asked some male friends and they said no date has ever asked them directly for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 04:11 AM
1

So while you were at dinner they asked you for money? Did you give it to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 03:52 AM
1

So if I make an online dating account and message 50-100 women, how many will ask me for money?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 03:38 AM
1

What was the conversation like leading up to her asking you for money?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 03:14 AM
1

No never.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 02:13 AM
1

Maybe you are messaging high end escorts? Im telling you dude its weird. It is not normal to ask strange men for money. I dont know what important detail you are hiding but something is up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 02:12 AM
1

It's unique to your social class maybe. Or maybe you just happen to message prostitutes a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 01:31 AM
1

I am pretty sure this is unique to you. I don't know what you are doing or what kind of women you are talking to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 07:56 PM
1

They don't though. Women are more insecure than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 06:59 PM
1

So are you offering them money or are they asking money from you? What website are you finding these women on?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 06:57 PM
2

What does not wanting to be someone's ego validation have to do with caring about their feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 06:51 PM
2

Yes. This is it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 08:18 AM
2

Maybe those men believe in equality lol. They hit men and women equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 03:09 AM
5

Yes I want to be better looking than my partner because he will be happier as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 02:15 AM
1

He wasn't but the lost time is what matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 01:12 AM
2

Okay. Are they advertising their sexuality upfront?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 08:11 PM
2

Do you not have your own money?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 08:11 PM
4

Oh god. That explains a lot. Get out of that hell hole asap.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 08:10 PM
2

Is it your money too or just his?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 07:46 PM
1

okay
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 07:38 PM
2

So you just ask because it's a frivolous expense and you have a joint account?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 07:37 PM
8

I do not know anyone that asks people outside their family for money. Where do you meet these women? Be honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 07:35 PM
7

I don't ask any men for money wtf. Why are women asking you for money? Are they relatives?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 07:06 PM
1

I think it was looking at facial attractiveness, not height. Maybe the appeal of tall is because women like to feel small. But good looking people make them feel ugly. Yes this is it. Also, men treat attractive women better and we want that treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:55 PM
3

It's more that the kind of men I like don't approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:54 PM
3

I wasn't complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:53 PM
3

approaching is for women who dont get sufficiently attractive men approachign them Or no men at all
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:15 PM
1

I think you just like blonds =p
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:12 PM
1

Correct. But curiously the man being more attractive makes her less happy. The wife being more attractive makes the man happier. https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2013-35735-001 In all 4 studies, both partners’ physical attractiveness was objectively rated at baseline, and both partners reported their marital satisfaction up to 8 times over the first 4 years of marriage. Whereas husbands were more satisfied at the beginning of the marriage and remained more satisfied over the next 4 years to the ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:10 PM
1

All of them except my first boyfriend where a mutual friend set us up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 05:59 PM
1

IDK neither are attractive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 05:58 PM
1

I think you forgot what I looked like. The white woman that talked the most. The one who wanted men to pay for her meals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 05:58 PM
1

Didn't the other two women say they prefer to split? It was only the hot white woman that wanted the guy to pay for everything. The other woman said "feminism means taking the good with the bad, and that means paying for your own dinner".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 04:22 PM
1

Well even if you skip him the other guys on the top of all time aren't models. They do have well written posts though, which kind of points to the opposite conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 04:20 PM
1

Okay you found two hot guys but if you sort by top of all time the guys there invalidate your point. And even the two guys you found, although they are attractive, they aren't models.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 04:18 PM
2

If we were having a debate or philosophical discussion about the topic I would insist he was a man but otherwise I don't care enough to make a point out of it. If he was rude to me I still wouldn't use his questionable sex status as a weapon to fight because that just seems low and makes me look petty.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 04:05 PM
2

Ok. Well if it would be appropriate to hit a man in some situation then I think it's appropriate to hit a woman. So either way I think it's fine to hit the trans person.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 07:04 AM
1

Guys like yourself are easy to spot. I'm talking about the guy that acts like he is in love with you for the first few years then gets bored.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 07:00 AM
7

Do you really mean this in such an absolute way? Belligerent made me think of a drunk person stumbling around being dumb. Avoid hitting this person. Scholarships for women don't exist? Not just for being a woman, no. You have to be an exceptional woman with good grades, community service, leadership skills. Or you have to be really poor and a single parent. If the trans woman qualifies for either of these, then sure, why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:58 AM
8

What are your thoughts on MtF trans women? Are they women? No. But I will call them that if they want. Do you think you'd be as likely to befriend them as a person who was born female? Why or why not. Sure. I will befriend anyone. Is there ever a reason for a man to hit a trans woman who is being belligerent? Avoid hitting people at all costs. If a man sees a trans woman fighting a woman, should he step in and protect one of them? No. Should trans women be allowed in combat sports against women?…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:50 AM
1

She sounds awful. I would go crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 06:18 AM
2

Wut. This is the top guy on r4r. https://www.reddit.com/r/r4r/comments/3tdoee/37_m4f_wi_excellent_boyfriend_material_if_a/
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 05:49 AM
3

The hottest white woman was the most demanding. What was that video supposed to prove?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 01:45 AM
3

Men of all ages prefer 20 year old women. I know that some men don't age well and some women do but we are talking averages here. And I don't see anyone but hot young white women demanding the very best.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 01:05 AM
3

Nope. You got it completely wrong. It's men who fuel hookup culture. Evolutionary psychologists have looked into certain conditions where there is a rarity of men. If there are less men they have more power in the dating market than when there is a rarity of women. They found that when men have more power in the dating market, they use it as leverage to get more casual sex. When women have more power they use it to get marriage. There is greater competition between men for casual sex precisely b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 12:56 AM
2

She's been a good friend to me so I don't see a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 12:19 AM
5

Don't emotionally invest in people more than you can lose comfortably.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 10:49 PM
3

Men. Why do you nag?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 10:24 PM
2

Yes. Op asked how dating is more difficult for women. I gave women's depreciating value as an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 10:23 PM
4

We don't have unlimited options and sex isn't a goal for us. and only the opportunity to date post wall women. So you agree that women have an expiration date after which we are no longer desirable to men. Women do not think of an older man as inferior to his younger counterpart.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 09:13 PM
3

She's a woman. We are friends and I have known her for awhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 08:12 PM
3

Then you are faking moral character in order to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 06:02 AM
2

To those women yeah. But what if you want to get laid with any of the remaining 99%?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:43 AM
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It's easier to find dates and find someone who is interested in you as a woman. However, you have a shorter time to get it right and there are a lot of false positives. A guy can string you along for months before you find out he doesn't want something serious (with you). And he can be with you years and never marry you. Women seem like a pain to deal with tbh but I envy the appreciating value men have in the dating and marriage market.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:37 AM
1

1) Do you believe in God? no 2) Do you believe in true love? no 3) Would you enter/continue a LTR with someone who disagreed with your view? yes 4) Do you believe in the existence of a soul, something that we as humans could never understand? no
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/19 05:02 AM
1

Yep. Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 06:47 PM
1

The danger is that a lot of guys want the unobtainable. They will orbit you for ages as long as you don't express romantic interest but get bored almost immediately when you return their affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 06:23 PM
1

Sometimes they don't ever take that second step. I know from experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 06:09 PM
1

Oh okay. So you count hanging out with you as asking you out?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 06:04 PM
1

Maybe but what would motivate him to hang out with you and talk to you. He could be playing video games or doing other stuff but he chooses to spend time with you instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 05:58 PM
1

I think the opposite. If he asks you out immediately then he is just playing a numbers game. He probably asks women out all the time until he gets a yes. There is nothing special about you. A guy that wants to take the time to get to know you and hang out with you regularly is investing more because he likes you more. Also men looking for casual sex tend employ the quick approach method more often. Men looking for relationships don't cold approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 05:51 PM
1

Oh. Duh. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 11:14 AM
2

This somewhat already exists in a tempered form in the marriage market. Men and women are equally selective on this front because their investments and payoffs converge.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 06:40 AM
1

It might have been better if you had just fucked her because no real experience could match the fantasy you built up in your head about her. And the guilt over your wife sucks and that's a hard thing to get past. Don't hate yourself though. There is a lot of good here. You took full responsibility for your actions and didn't blame your wife to alleviate your guilt. A lot of people would have hamstered their wife into being the bad guy in order to justify their actions. Don't overcorrect and demo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 06:22 AM
1

Maybe you wanted her because she was unavailable and if you had her she wouldn't be that great.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 05:38 AM
1

So you were 'alpha widowed'?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 05:21 AM
1

No. Its me snaily lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 05:20 AM
1

I had the same boyfriend all through my 20s and never partied or had casual sex or even talked to a Chad. I don't feel like I missed out and if I could do it all over again I would just study more.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 05:04 AM
6

one of the most "introverted" girls i know. she actually likes performing on stage in plays and has a fun high energy personality, She's not that introverted.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 05:01 AM
1

Why aren't you with either of them now?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 05:00 AM
1

What's fomo?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 04:58 AM
1

When I had real life friends I had a lot of guy 'friends' but they weren't people I could talk to, we just all went on camping trips together as a group. There were maybe 8 of these and then I did have 1-2 guys that I considered true friends since I could talk to them about personal stuff or eat lunch with them one-on-one.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/19 04:00 AM
2

This question is too hard. Maybe if forced I would make him an agreeable, neurotic introvert but I have never dated a man like this so maybe I wouldn't actually like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 11:27 PM
1

For the first one, I am a woman talking about men. I don't think it's fair to use me as an example of how men think lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 05:38 PM
3

F: Understood, respected I guess. I don't think this is a gendered thing. Both sexes idealize their partners and lose love/attraction when they find out the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 05:25 PM
5

Or rich.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 05:12 PM
6

Being more dependent on other people creates a greater incentive for women to be pro-social.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/19 02:44 AM
1

What if the guys you date are not needy enough? Does it mean that you shot out of your league and need to find someone less attractive?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 10:29 PM
1

Iulicelac is that you?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 06:53 PM
1

Yeah partially. The relationship changes after you have sex and you can never go back.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 06:24 PM
0

He will never love you nor respect you as much as he did before you had sex so enjoy it while it lasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 05:40 PM
1

I never met a guy that was too needy or even needy at all. I like when guys ask for reassurance and try to spend as much time with me as possible. If there is such a thing as too needy I don't know what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/19 05:29 PM
1

No, that's not what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 09:38 AM
5

Hardly anyone is empathetic, but women are more empathetic on average mostly due to the outliers in both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 06:30 AM
3

😂
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 06:09 AM
1

I was wondering if I knew you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 06:00 AM
1

What's your discord name?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 05:51 AM
1

I talk to them and try to set them up with each other. If you aren't a part of the communities or friends with them then you wouldn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 04:26 AM
1

Watch how they behave when they actually get a femcel. They stop trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 03:43 PM
1

Girl has issues sure but he was being an asshole and this fucked up his chances with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 03:30 PM
1

That looks like an example of why you shouldn't be an ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 03:24 PM
1

Femcels and incels e-dating over discord.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 02:25 AM
1

There is a whole different story that goes on behind the scenes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 02:19 AM
0

They actually don't. I am seeing it with my own eyes as femcels try to date incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 11:03 PM
2

Nah. Women want both.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 05:50 PM
2

Most men here would not want to commit to the type of woman that is chronically pumped and dumped either. Attractive women (and men) have a lot of options. The unattractive ones do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 04:51 PM
6

I am just repeating what the men here tell us on PPD. I never thought men were like this before.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 08:05 AM
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I think it's the opposite. Women would rather be single than be with a man they are not attracted to. Men will sometimes settle for any woman they can get just for regular access to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 04:24 AM
5

Yes. Men see casual sex as the ultimate achievement. They don't give a fuck if she loves him or not. In fact it might be a negative. A woman devoting her life to a man is seen as a worse deal than her fucking a guy and dumping him the next day. They put zero value on the woman loving him. It blows my mind and I can't understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/19 04:00 AM
2

There is no man on this planet that I would fuck just based on his looks. Even the Chadliest Chads inspires zero lust in me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 11:52 PM
1

Well I haven't met one yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 08:21 PM
2

Few to none.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 06:38 PM
7

The rules will only be on average. Individual women don't have different rules. For an example, say ten out of a hundred women are down for casual sex and want the hottest guy possible. So the high SMV guy gets all these ten girls. 80 out of 100 women want to be wined and dined but don't care about the guy being hot as much. So guys see this as different rules, but really it's different women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 06:16 PM
1

That never happened with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 05:29 AM
2

I think that's only true if you really want plan B more. You can also think "If my boyfriend breaks up with me I will become a cat lady" Would this make you less committed to the relationship? I don't think so. It is a way to self soothe. You reassure yourself that even if the worst happens it won't be the end of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 05:06 AM
2

What is wrong with having a plan B? You are plan A. Plan B is just if you decide to break up with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/19 03:57 AM
4

Your post doesn't fairly represent the original. His actions were manipulative. He was punishing her for getting annoyed with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 04:41 PM
1

Bye Plopolok
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 08:21 AM
1

You take RP's criticisms of women to heart, but you shouldn't. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 06:07 AM
1

I'm better than I have been. What brings you back to PPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 06:01 AM
2

Welcome back :D How are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 05:58 AM
3

GreekSingleLady is that you?!!! :o
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 05:48 AM
1

I'll believe it when I see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 05:28 AM
0

Men wanting a non-fat woman is wanting a woman for status. You would be embarrassed to bring a fat woman around your friends and call her your wife even if she met all your other criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 02:51 AM
2

I don't know what to tell you. If you look at famous alpha men they don't marry virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 02:45 AM
2

However, her level of physical attraction for you is not as intense as it was for her former boyfriend. How could you possibly know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/19 02:39 AM
1

Men don't like short hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 05:46 PM
5

I would pick the partner but not have sex with him and get a guy on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 05:43 PM
1

You could pick a guy that no other woman wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 03:35 PM
3

I believe her. Women don't go around wanting to fuck hot guys even when outside of a relationship. They want to fuck the hot guy that is giving them attention, but most of the time he doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 03:30 PM
6

Alpha men are not concerned with n counts because they aren't concerned with cuckoldry.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 06:25 AM
2

Women's hypergamy is rarely satisfied by men of low EQ, because they are boring and not-sexy, which makes them want to divorce and break up families. Why do you think it's hypergamy causing divorce? I have never heard a compelling argument for this position.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 06:21 AM
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The more sex you have the less men want you. Also women tend to want sex within relationships. If sex doesn't lead to a relationship it's a net loss and one more thing to feel bad about.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 05:36 AM
2

To women, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 04:49 AM
1

I changed it. Madonna/whore is just how men classify women. Only madonnas receive love and commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 03:30 AM
1

Definitely. I think it's usually one or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 02:47 AM
1

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/19 01:23 AM
1

I have re-appropriated the idea to describe male sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 08:16 PM
1

Madonna/whore
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 07:23 PM
1

Then why do people post and upvote it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 07:12 PM
1

Trp contains a lot of self improvement stuff but it also clearly contains tactics used to generate attraction, get laid, or achieve various other goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 05:35 PM
1

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 04:57 PM
1

She wants a Christian guy and Christian women outnumber Christian men. On top of that she wants him to be make at least 60k a year, be low n-count, no drugs or alcohol, want marriage and children, and be supportive of her staying at home to take care of the kids. Single men with this criteria are rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 06:27 AM
1

Same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 05:52 AM
1

I don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 05:45 AM
1

Why is that funny?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 04:22 AM
1

Headband me is the real me!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/19 01:09 AM
3

I predict most men will choose cute (aka neotenous) for LTRs but sexy for STRs. Also the more beta a man is the more he will prefer neoteny. Beta men are more concerned with cuckoldry and mate poaching so they will be more attracted to women that seem innocent and untouched by other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 08:24 PM
1

How is child support allocated? Is it based on income?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 07:31 PM
3

It's not just evolutionary psychologists. There are other papers in other fields documenting the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 07:21 PM
1

We are talking about the effects of an overabundance of reproductively aged women or men in a population. You are either talking about women who do not participate in the SMP/RMP anymore due to old age, or the causes of the gender imbalance. You aren't having the same conversation as everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 06:43 PM
4

How does that support your argument then?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 06:19 PM
3

The state gives men more money per child to male caretakers?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 05:38 PM
3

Female recipients receive more benefits per recipient in all 5 categories, although slightly less per child. What does this mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 03:45 PM
1

I didn't think she was fat before.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 03:00 PM
2

I am not sure about the States, but I know that in post war Soviet Union, Bavaria, and France, the number of out of wedlock births rose significantly in regions with a shortage of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 02:56 PM
1

I gave you two example studies. Is the gender imbalance in college campuses and in certain occupations due to old woman? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 07:41 AM
1

Right. It is about the effects of having more women in a population. OP wants men to be rare so that women of a reproductive age will value them more. Why are you talking about western societies having more old women then? It has nothing to do with this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 06:56 AM
1

What in your mind was the OP about?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 06:46 AM
2

Again, that is completely unrelated to what I am talking about because the presence of old women has negligible effects on the SMP/RMP. To give another example, researchers looked at gender ratios in the work place. If men were in a female dominated workplace, they were much more likely to get divorced. For women in male dominated work places, the increase was much smaller and non existent for educated women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 06:32 AM
3

They didn't consider the general population. They looked at locations/times with more woman than men and compared them to locations/times with more men than women. For an example they looked at colleges that had an increase in female enrollment and saw how this changed the SMP dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 06:17 AM
3

More old ladies wouldn't lead to more casual sex and divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 06:00 AM
14

Evolutionary psychologists have studied times and places where women outnumbered men. They found that in these situations divorce rates went up, there was more casual sex, and women had a lower opinion of men. When there were more men than women divorce rates and casual sex dropped, and women liked men more. Maybe we have too many women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 05:45 AM
1

I thought HB was hot body and the number following it was for her face.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 04:12 AM
1

To who? I don't know anyone who thinks that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 01:47 AM
1

Ok. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 01:05 AM
1

Other guys here on ppd have seen her and they agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 12:40 AM
1

Got discord?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 11:57 PM
1

I am keeping an eye out for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 11:50 PM
1

Nah she is hot. I just think the man she wants is rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 11:48 PM
1

No. Oh and the "she is traditional" next comment of hers assumes she is working full time making as much as her husband. Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 07:16 PM
1

I'm a woman and OP is my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 07:00 PM
1

She didn't, I just know because she is my friend and I am also friends with the incels she was open to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 06:59 PM
0

OP meets all those requirements. She is a virgin, wants traditional gender relationships, and isn't fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 06:18 PM
3

I don't think she is ignoring men. She has been open to dating incels in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 06:15 PM
0

So. Salty. You can't lock men like that down, so instead of improving yourself so that they may consider you wife material, you want everyone else to change so that they can suit your selfish, solipsistic needs better. She doesn't want to be with a man with a high n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 06:13 PM
6

They are free to do whatever they want but she is not obligated to consider them good men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 06:11 PM
9

Why not be the provider and get a poor but kind and family oriented man to be a stay at home dad? Imagine coming home every day and seeing your loving husband playing with your kids. He would be happy. The kids would be happy. Wouldn't you be happy too? I think it would be wonderful.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 05:40 PM
1

Who broke up with who in your first and second relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 05:33 PM
1

What what?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 04:13 PM
2

You can do whatever you want but statistically most couples meet through friends or at work. Cold approaching is one of the least effective methods.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 04:13 PM
1

I don't know. Do whatever you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 04:03 PM
15

Meet people through friends, not approaching women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 05:17 AM
1

Why do you think that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 05:15 AM
1

I feel loved when the guy is needy and asks for reassurance a lot, but clingy men are hard to find so I will take whatever I can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 05:08 AM
2

Do you honestly believe they would date that girl or did they just want to see a freak show?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 02:16 AM
1

I would have the same deal breakers as I have for men except I would be more accepting of her having casual sex and less accepting of her not being in STEM.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/19 12:28 AM
0

Nothing about her changed. Presumably she treated him well. Her personality didn't change. Perhaps RPillers could more honestly say "Men love women for who they are as long as the woman retains the idealized vision of herself that men create during the infatuation stage of the relationship."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 05:07 PM
5

But remember women, men love you for who are.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/19 07:46 AM
2

Blue pillers also don't support putting women on a pedestal and they don't care about being mainstream. Communication, working together, harmony. These are all blue pill values. You haven't created anything new.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 08:01 PM
2

More people have had to work harder for what you acquired easily. Be grateful instead of resentful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 07:55 PM
3

So what though? A very attractive woman has men throwing money at her, but us normal women have to work. That's just life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 07:52 PM
3

Yellow pill sounds like blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 06:48 PM
3

This doesn't work for women. We never had the expectation that men would love us for ourselves because we start changing as soon as we become sexually active.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 06:45 PM
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We are talking trends. On average, college campuses with a scarcity of men have more hookups and the men act more like assholes compared to campuses with a scarcity of women. When men are given more power in the SMP, they will leverage this to get more casual sex. They also have less incentive to be nice. Now I know men don't have as much power as they want. They want to be drowning in pussy and have the freedom to be even bigger assholes. Most men don't have this power but that doesn't change t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:58 PM
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Why do you have to be swimming in pussy to be happy? Most men have 2-4 hookups in college just like women. That imo is already too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:39 PM
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You said this article strongly supports your beliefs but you haven't mentioned the article at all. You have just been stating your beliefs without explaining how the article supports them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 04:54 PM
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Yeah. I think it is unrelated. That's why I asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 04:48 PM
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Being non threatening is probably the biggest bonus of being a woman. You can do whatever, talk to whomever. People might see you as weird but not scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 08:03 AM
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How does the OP support your views? The article linked is saying the opposite. When men have the power of choice, they act like assholes and have as much casual sex as possible. When women have the power, men are forced to be nice in order to appeal to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 07:20 AM
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How is it induced by hypergamy?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:31 AM
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How is it a strong case for behaving like an asshole? When the women had more power in the SMP the men were forced to compete with each other and were nicer to women. If women like assholes they would be even more assholey in order to compete, but the result was the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 05:27 AM
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I want to live in the woods in my tent. What gender am I?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/19 06:12 AM
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She wasn't deceiving you unless she pretended that she wasn't wearing makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 09:49 PM
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You couldn't tell she was wearing makeup?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 09:38 PM
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If you are married you are already splitting expenses.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 09:09 PM
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I wouldn't date a guy with a sportscar so I'd be happy if I learned it wasnt yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 09:05 PM
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For the guys who say that women look better without makeup, suppose you were dating a girl and then later discovered that she had been wearing makeup the whole time. Would you be pleasantly surprised? All this time she was making herself look worse in your view. You would be dating a woman more attractive than you originally thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 09:04 PM
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Do you think it could be RP men projecting their 'personality' onto women?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 08:42 PM
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What about once every 2 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 05:34 PM
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That doesn't seem like manipulation. She was just doing stuff that got her attention. There is no deceit or trickery involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 04:51 PM
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You have yet to actually make an argument about why placing fault is actually helpful. Because I agree with you that it's not useful. There's no need to "approximate" the level of blame when you can just measure it. We won't measure it fairly. Can you explain why you are so insistent on placing blame? What good does it actually do? I told you that agree that it's not useful. IF you are going to blame anyone, blame yourself. The 'good' is that it keeps you from learned helplessness. That was just…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 02:33 AM
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I agree that assigning fault is counterproductive, but if you are going to hold anyone responsible for the negative circumstances in your life, it should be yourself. In certain cases people will blame themselves too much, but the majority of errors fall in the opposite direction. It is human nature to believe yourself to be blameless and others responsible. By assuming you are at fault, you can correct for this innate bias and end up at approximately the appropriate level of blame. Sure it woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/19 02:08 AM
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Fault isn't used in situations with natural disasters at all. No one says it's the hurricane's fault. Fault is applied in dealings with other people. If you blame the other person in your relationships, it keeps you from focusing on what you could have done to fix the problem. You are teaching yourself how to be helpless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 10:37 PM
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Always assume you are at fault because you are the only person you can control. The majority of the time when you assign fault to someone else, you are just removing your own agency and power.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 09:57 PM
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What did your girlfriend get from you in exchange for the possibility of sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 07:15 PM
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Still don't understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 08:50 AM
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If you find her will you let me know?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 05:49 AM
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Why can't I pick the 35 year old looking 35 year old guy? :(
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/19 01:33 AM
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No I understand your point. It has been repeated ad infinitum on this subreddit since the beginning of time. OP was saying that it is BAD for young women to be having sex. It is bad because "sex prior to the age of consent is psychologically damaging, leads to higher incidence of divorce, teen pregnancy, STDs, and other negative consequences" These things also make it bad for men. It being easy or hard to get does not change the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 06:06 AM
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If the act isn't bad at all then it doesn't matter if women are having lots of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 05:07 AM
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If the act itself is inherently bad, then it makes it worse if you have to work hard to get it. All these men are working hard to ruin women and give them a lifetime of decreased pair bonding ability and increased divorce rates. That's deplorable. At least slutty women are only hurting themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 04:56 AM
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Please dont. Just leave us alone and go after what you really want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 03:17 AM
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Yeah I can see that being true. Higher expectations lead to greater disappointment.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/19 02:10 AM
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I'm a woman and opening up has never worked for me either. It always makes things worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 06:20 PM
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I used to think this, but I am not sure why women wouldn't also initiate more breakups then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 06:14 PM
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Lemons where did you go?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 07:58 AM
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I don't think men like my dad exist. The only other person that comes close is Jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/19 07:17 AM
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This is the same thing women say, so what's the real difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 04:38 PM
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Men only love women they are attracted to. The idea a man could choose a HB5 he loves over a HB10 is probably incomprehensible to you. Because it never happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 09:12 AM
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"I shouldn't have to steal to get a car." You have to play mind games because you want to trick someone into doing something that they don't want to do. If you don't want to play mind games, then get laid with women that you actually like and want to spend time with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 09:09 AM
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Men create charts ranking women's looks on a numerical scale. This ranking system permeates men's language to each other so much so that the mention of a woman in the manosphere is incomplete without her individual ranking out of ten. He does not care if a better woman comes along. This woman cannot be "better" to him anyway since she's not the girl he's love with. You have an uncharitabley idealized perception of male love.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 08:55 AM
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Why is it dumb?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 08:34 AM
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Women have different goals than you. The reason you can't use overt communication with women is because you have to trick them into fucking you by pretending you like them for more than just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/19 08:21 AM
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I don't see it as a good test of the claim that society prioritizes women and not children since single mothers have children by definition. You haven't isolated any variables. Furthermore if you remove the woman from the equation, i.e. look at single fathers, the benefits are still present.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 06:54 PM
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That makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 06:45 PM
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Ignore him.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 06:44 PM
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I have not really found a way to speed up the recovery process but I would recommend the following to keep yourself from making it worse. Make it so that he cannot contact you even if he wanted to. Block and delete him from your phone and any social media accounts. This will be like cutting off your arm at first, but you have to do this to eliminate the frantic phone checking. If you are starting to feel a swell of emotional pain in any moment, try to switch your brain to focus on any tactile or…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 05:18 PM
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What benefits are only available to single moms?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 04:48 PM
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I'd want him to hug and comfort me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 06:08 AM
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What if the same benefits are available to single fathers?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 06:06 AM
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You want it to be easier to find and keep a girlfriend. Why not say that instead? It makes more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/19 06:03 AM
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Do you think that men would also prefer that women do the following? Focus on having a good time, and not repeatedly ask the guy if he is having a good time. Reciprocate the guy's flirtatious advances. Share personal information about herself and show her personality, and not put all the pressure on him to carry the conversation. Share with him when she finds something funny, even if it's a little raunchy. Shares unique features of her personality, rather than pretending to like all the same thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 12:39 AM
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Can you give a specific example of each? (Sorry) Or can you tell me if these examples would fit? The guy repeated asks the girl if she is having a good time throughout the night. 3-4 times at least. The girl is flirting and smiling. She asks to feel the guy's arm muscles as a way to initiate physical contact, but the guy doesn't reciprocate. The guy only asks questions throughout the night, and never shares anything personal about himself. Thinks of something funny, but it's a little raunchy so …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/16 12:01 AM
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What would being overly beta look like? Like what would an overly beta person do on a first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 11:24 PM
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To respond, I will use following definition of alpha. This is taken from evo psych, which doesn't use the terms alpha and beta, but instead refers to a good genes, good provider dichotomy. Alpha = higher than average testosterone, or testosterone linked traits. Now to answer your question, I think the majority of women are attracted to high betas or AB's. Only a minority of women are attracted to alpha men (i.e. very high testosterone, Brock Lesnar for an example). The reason is because testoste…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 09:19 PM
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This actually resonates as true for me. I really like the idea of a kind, sweet, shy guy turning into an aggressive, lusty animal in bed. I can see it being for the reason you just stated.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 07:02 PM
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Hey me too bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/16 06:01 AM
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I'm not even a religious person, I was raised atheist, but the idea that Jesus was a just a sacrificial lamb and not a preacher who got angry at times and saw the injustice in the world and wanted to correct it is just not right. These were exceptions rather than the rule, and his teachings for us demonstrated a consistent theme of unconditional forgiveness. Take his sermon on the mount as a quintessential example. “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,[a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 11:50 PM
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I'm still not sure what you mean. The stuff I've done for my dad is all trivial. Of course he has my love and respect, but only because he earned it. I have done nothing to earn what my dad has done for me, yet he gives it freely anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 09:48 PM
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Yes, both my sisters are still religious. I know you've said you're an atheist now but I think in some ways maybe it's God/Jesus who set the standard for you and not your dad. Why do you think this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 09:41 PM
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What do you mean by "serve"?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 09:25 PM
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From my experience, men that fall on the alpha side of the spectrum also get cheated on, dead bedroomed, or divorced. I don't think there is a difference. In fact, it seems to me that beta guys typically have longer marriages than more alpha guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 09:02 PM
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Would you say this is similar to the midlife crisis that guys typically go through?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 08:54 PM
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Same here. I like RPW's description of female sexuality better (wanting a high beta or AB). It fits more with what I've experienced.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 08:53 PM
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He was very religious and took emulating Christ very seriously. He worked insanely hard and made huge sacrifices for us kids and my mom, but he never once complained. He never lost his temper with me, even though I was a horrible brat as a teenager. He always gave people the benefit of the doubt. I never remember him acting selfishly, not even once. He was highly principled, and his actions were consistent with his beliefs. He thought the best of everyone, made excuses for everyone, yet always h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 08:47 PM
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Me lol. The things that I was initially attracted to in my ex, are now the things that disgust me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 08:20 PM
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I'm sure if you talk to her she has some story as to why her previous relationship was bad or the guy she was dating was bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 08:09 PM
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It could be an alpha from the past, a beta from the past, or a new man that she just met. It doesn't matter. Once the attraction is gone she will use whatever story she has available in order to justify her leaving him, as long as it puts her in a favorable light.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 07:56 PM
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She is attracted to whatever is providing the dopamine drip. If that is an accountant with a dad bod, then it's no less real than the time she was getting it from the raver with black fingernail polish in high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 07:19 PM
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Yeah I think so. On the other end of the scale, my dad set the bar very high, to an almost superhuman level. I think my younger sister is a sort of alpha widow as a result. She's in her 30's now and has never had a relationship, despite plenty of men showing interest. No man will ever be as good as my dad, so she just stays single.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 07:15 PM
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I believe you feel this way because this is how male attraction works. Men are always attracted to 20 something, fertile women. As long as their ex still looks good, they are still attracted to her. However, women's sexuality is more flexible. Like OP said, women are more prone to blank slatism. It has to be this way because status is highly contextual. In high school the guy wearing black nail polish and smokes weed is the coolest thing ever. In her 30's this guy is a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 07:01 PM
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The new man will seem better to her, even if he is objectively worse. Also what she considers 'better' changes with time, so there is no fixed standard to compare one man to the next. Actually there is, but it is the girl's own father. He remains the standard to which all of her romantic partner's are compared.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/16 06:34 PM
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Yeah, although the former is practically impossible. 10 year old girls can out wrestle me. I would never date someone with higher education than me. I want to be the breadwinner. General intelligence is harder to measure, but I won't date anyone who drinks or does drugs so that rules out the worst offenders.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/16 04:20 AM
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Thanks, this is a really good way to ground myself and not get out of control with my insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 07:20 AM
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Thanks for sharing, it was an interesting video, although I could not grasp the insight he was trying to get across at the end. I did like this quote though. A single person that stops lying can bring down a tyranny. It reminded me of a RPiller who used to post here awhile back who was so remarkably different from everyone else posting at the time, because of his complete and utter vulnerability. I credit him to ending my 'tyranny' against TRP, because it was only then that I recognized that is …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 03:04 AM
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I recognize some correlates in behavior that I think stem from this belief, but I'm not really sure. I have also talked to women on PPD that felt the same way, but never in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 01:49 AM
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Asking is fine, but what if it turns into a 'thing'? Do you think it's worth the battle?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/16 01:18 AM
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Do you not see young women fantasizing about getting married and having babies from day one? The majority of women find long term relationships while still in their prime. Men wait as long as possible. Also see this article.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 11:20 PM
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I can almost guarantee that he's not thinking "my wife isn't worth the mild inconvenience of me going into the other room". Instead, he is most likely thinking, "if my wife really loves me, why isn't she putting up with the mild inconvenience of me talking on the phone? If it bothers her, why doesn't she just go into the other room?" So rather than using it as an example of why your husband doesn't love you, use it as an example of how you love him. It just seems a much happier, positive outcome…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 10:50 PM
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Yes, this is what I meant. I explained further in my comment below.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 10:39 PM
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I think that it's women's job to make sure that their man is getting what he needs from the relationship. Not because it's her duty as a woman or a wife, but because she has volunteered for the responsibility of loving him. I am talking about something different. I do not resent having a sexual relationship with the man I'm with. However, it terrifies me that this could be the foundation for his love. I don't even see how it is love. What will happen when I get old? Will he stop loving me? Will …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 10:28 PM
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When I was younger (high school) I was too stupid and self absorbed to realize that my actions could possibly hurt someone. Men could hurt me, but not the reverse. On top of that, men actively hid their feelings, so there was no clear evidence to contradict my views. As I got older and less self absorbed, I realized that men were also emotionally complex and vulnerable human beings, but I didn't realize the extent of their vulnerability until I started understanding TRP. Ultimately, I didn't rec…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 09:10 PM
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I never have been able to get behind this idea because it's nothing like what I've experienced, or heard any woman vocalize.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 08:35 PM
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That might of been me. I said something similar a few times.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 08:31 PM
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Well with my first boyfriend I resented having to do the majority of the housework. Then after reflecting on my past mistakes, I decided not to let this happen again. It wasn't worth the frustration. So I started embracing and taking ownership over the housework, and now I love it. I feel like it's my territory and no one else is allowed to do it except me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 07:37 PM
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I lived with my first boyfriend 10 years and I did the majority of the housework and all of the cooking. I've been living with my second boyfriend for the past 3 years and I do 99% of the housework and cleaning. He only cleans the stuff I'm not allowed to touch, like his bikes and anime memorabilia. He doesn't even get up from the couch to put his dishes on the counter. I take it from his hands when he's done and I put it away myself. I like it. It makes me feel needed. When my boyfriend is mad …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 07:30 PM
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What's going on here is that women want men to love them the same way they love men, and men want women to love them the same way they love women. This is why RP men use sex as an absolute metric for how much a woman really feels about him. Rather than accepting the way women love them, they desperately try to avoid being BB and aim to be AF. Why? Because that's how they love women. They value women for sex and want women to value them for the same reason. On the other side, women want men to va…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 07:23 PM
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She is the one who cares about the dishes. It is unfair of her to expect him to care about all the same things she cares about, and then use this as a proxy for how much he loves her. Stopping this kind of thinking would fix 90% of the relationship problems discussed on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 07:11 PM
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I think the author of that article does a good job trying to understand his (ex)wife's point of view. She was using the act of putting a dish away as a metric for how much he cared about the relationship. Since the act itself was trivial, and he refused to do it, then the wife came to the conclusion that he didn't care at all, ultimately leading to her checking out of the relationship. However, although I think the author's attitude is very good, I also think that the wife was the one ultimately…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 06:37 PM
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I think you are confusing stability with status. Women are always attracted to status, despite their age. It's just that status changes depending on the context. When you are a teenager, the guy who plays in a band and smokes cigarettes is the coolest thing ever. When you are an adult, someone who is responsible and has their shit together is the coolest thing ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/16 03:32 AM
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Ah ok. I thought that when you said you wished to be proven wrong, that you meant your current beliefs were unsavory to you for some reason or another. Since that is not true, let me take a step back in order to regain some common ground. You probably agree that men and women have evolved certain behaviors over time which function to maximize their reproductive success. Some of these behavior function to keep a man and a woman in close proximity for a certain period of time and promote cooperati…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 05:54 AM
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I love this series! I'm looking forward to see what the next one will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/16 02:12 AM
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It seems to me that you are essentially saying this. The way men love women is different than the way women love men. Since the way men love women better fits my ideal, male love is real, and female love is not. This is something I can relate to. I also think that men are superior to women, although for different reasons than you do. Men generally better embody my ideals, hence I believe they are better than women. I don't think any amount of studies or videos will change either of our beliefs, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 11:00 PM
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I am not entirely familiar with the people you mentioned, but I can relate to your general ideas through what I've seen on reddit. I'm sorry you've had to struggle with this. It's a damn shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 09:02 PM
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Society, but especially women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 08:55 PM
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This seems to me to be "effective communication followed through by action is the key to a successful relationship" not just "communication is the key to a successful relationship". Suppose for instance, you told your husband "I need you to validate my emotions" and he did nothing. Wouldn't have this made things worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 08:54 PM
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When you were battling for dominance, weren't you communicating? When I look at couples who have serious relationship problems, they typically fight all the time. Someone is always bringing up some past wrong or explaining how only their own feelings are legitimate. This to me is communicating. It's not productive communication, but it's still communication. Additionally, and I've experienced this myself, some couples communicate all the time, but never do anything to change their behavior. Take…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 08:50 PM
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I think this is a horrible shame. It makes me wonder, how we could have allowed ourselves to made such an obvious mistake?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 08:23 PM
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Usually toxic masculinity is framed in the context of men shaming other men. As an example of this, you mentioned TRP's beta shaming. This certainly happens and I think is a legitimate problem. However, asking men to stop toxic masculinity is still making them the aggressors in a way. It's still making them responsible for their own victim-hood. Notice that in this scenario, men are still not allowed to be the damsel, or should I say dude, in distress. They are still framed as the perpetrators r…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 08:18 PM
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How did you resolve the conflict in your head? Or is it still ongoing?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 10:00 AM
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No, but I think that's the impression society instills on men. Generally male sexuality is only ever discussed in a negative context, rape, sexual harassment, objectification of women, creeps, perverts, pedophilia, etc.. So I think men get the idea that their sexuality is inherently bad. In a sense TRP is our fault. We did this to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 09:38 AM
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Wow, thanks for this! Normally it's like pulling teeth trying to get people to explain their reasoning. I want to go through it step by step, but not until tomorrow. I'll edit my comment then. EDIT: I like your experiment, and I think it is sufficient to test the hypothesis that dark triad traits are attractive to women. I'm not sure it is sufficient to test AF/BB, because the controversial element of this dichotomy is that the wife is not sexually attracted to her BB and he is just being used f…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 09:25 AM
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I think that TRP is largely a series of connected justifications used to protect it's users from emotional vulnerabilities associated with the male experience and provide them with a feeling of control over their lives. On an even deeper level, the entirety of TRP is used to justify the male sexual strategy. Here are some examples. Problem: Men want to have sex with a different young women every night with no commitment. However, they feel bad for not committing, or maybe they have some lingerin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 09:03 AM
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No. But you also can't turn a bad relationship into a good one without Communication. Making it a key requirement. Can you describe an example from your relationship where communication worked to fix a non-trivial problem? I think most serious relationship issues are the result of insecure attachment styles, co-dependency, mental health issues, addiction, or just bad habits developed over the person's lifetime. These are not readily fixed by communication, even if you are a trained psychologist …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 07:58 AM
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Most women who responded liked the list. It's not controversial. You can find most of this advice on Wiki or Cosmo sublingmongel: nothing bad about this list LeaneGenova: standard LTR behavior future_space_boobs: good list, but thinks men should do the same The_Chemist: Mostly positive, reservations about a few points though sen--sen: mostly positive, but feels men should do the same. some criticisms here HigHog: great list if not taken to the extreme utigers: mostly ok, some criticisms though p…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 05:24 AM
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Men's Rights, evo psych, and RPW are the worst parts of TRP? Haven't heard that before lol. Usually BPillers say it's the misogyny that's the worst part. And anyone who thinks that Communication is not key for a successful relationship has probably not had a successful relationship. If communication is key to a successful relationship, then shouldn't you be able to turn a bad relationship into a successful one using communication?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 04:19 AM
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Everything from evolutionary psychology. Everything that overlaps with Men's Rights (just about). Everything that overlaps with academic feminism (just about). RPW's approach to relationships is mostly good, even though I can't stomach tradcon. "Communication is key to a relationship!" and "Just be yourself!" are both shitty pieces of advice
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 12:53 AM
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What is wrong with the following argument in your opinion? P1: Some RPillers believe that women are mentally teenagers. P2: Anyone who believes that women are mentally teenagers considers themselves superior to women. P3: Any RPiller who believes that women are mentally teenagers, but says that he doesn't think he is superior to women is lying. C: The RPillers who believe women are mentally teenagers believe themselves to be superior to women. The conclusion follows logically from P1 and P2. Eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 12:46 AM
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(i.e. a spontaneous fuck with a hot person you don't know and therefore don't have a reason to trust or to like) sounds still pretty good. This might be a true gender difference. I think a large portion of women wouldn't find this appealing at all. I would rather go to the dentist or stub my toe really hard than have sex with someone I didn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 08:29 PM
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My standards are very low. I'm not asking for something air tight or even scientifically rigorous. All you really have to do is remove the hyperbole and ambiguity. For instance, say I made the claim "Canadians want to take over America". I could make this falsifiable by rephrasing it as "When we ask random Canadians if they would like to take over America, the majority answer affirmatively" or "In the past 5 years, Canadians have elected only the politicians who have promised to take over Americ…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 08:25 PM
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In any kind of crisis, take his side. Always. Do not judge him. Whether he handled everything perfectly or needs to make some changes can be sorted out later if necessary. Bad advice, or at least the absolute nature of it. Sometimes he does something that you disagree with and you should let him know. Just take it on a case by case basis. I think it is still good advice, even when you disagree. You should still make a point not to judge him and still take his side. I think the easiest way to do …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 07:42 PM
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I couldn't find anything wrong with this. It sounds like a normal healthy relationship to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 07:10 PM
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I just copied the top replies from this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/16 01:15 AM
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Ok, well I can drop the word objective, and just use my definition instead. It's not that important. Whereas your definition is entirely dependent on any given person subjective acceptance of some thought system. If anything that's the opposite of objective. All we're doing is matching a statement to a system of ideas, and see if they correspond. Let me explain why I stated it this way. Suppose we were to ask if the statement, the sun is in the center of the solar system, is true. Most people wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 10:53 PM
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You could formulate it like this... X has value other than Y, only if it possesses some element from set Z So to plug in some words we could say... Women have value other than beauty/youth/vagina, only if they buy me a sport's car Thus " women have no value beyond Y..." can be falsified by a woman buying him a sports car.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 10:04 PM
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I am ok with this. Taking a survey asking women who should pay for dates is something we can easily do. I found this recent survey that asked this question. Here is what they found. There was definitely support for the hypothesis that many women would show resistance to change, despite the fact that a majority of women claim they offer to pay a share of expenses. As shown on Table 2, nearly two fifths of women resent it when men do accept their money. Even among these women who say they always o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 09:51 PM
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If you take something like 'women are the most responsible teenager in the house' literally, yes. But I think that RPiller would argue that this is just hyperbole, and taking it literally does not reflect the true meaning of the statement. If we are just taking them literally, then they are not only falsifiable, but obviously false.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 09:41 PM
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It is a value statement commonly made by RPillers on this forum.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 09:34 PM
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I am defining an objective claim as any claim that belongs to any defined system where the concepts of true and false have meaning, and where these concepts can be applied to the claim in question. You can refer to an already established system, or create make a new one using your own definitions. And to be clear, I don't necessarily mean this as a criticism of TRP, because generally IMO falsification is a pretty over-rated approach to these kind of issues. Is there an alternative way to solve t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 09:33 PM
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BB is used as a catch all descriptor for any man that a woman marries because she believes he will be a good long term partner. Sure there are gold digging women out there, but I think it's obvious that most women don't marry men with high paying jobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 08:27 PM
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It's literally experiencing and sharing the emotion of that person. This is exactly what I was talking about with mirror neurons. That is their function. Thanks to modern technology, we can see each other's 'beetles'. We can compare the beetles of men and women and see how they are the same or different. If not this, then you are just talking about a ghost in the machine. I don't actually think it's useful for me to just say what it is and then have you say whether you do experience it or not, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 07:11 PM
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Again, hard not to sound mean when I say things like this, but your inability to comprehend empathy as anything other than a logical response to emotional stimuli is kind of telling. It's ok. I don't take it personally and I'm still enjoying the discussion. However, let's go over the other possibilities before we accept what you are saying. To use an analogy, you have a beetle in box. I can't see your beetle, and you can only describe it to me through words. We are trying to determine whether yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 06:06 PM
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Yeah, that's what I meant.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 04:08 AM
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Look for agreeableness. Look for a pleasant disposition. Look for a chick who is low maintenance. Looks fade over time, personality remains more or less constant. I feel like you just described BB for men. I'm ok with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 03:55 AM
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Well the only way I could hope to change your mind is through scientific studies or by relating my own experiences. Would either of these be convincing to you? Also, out of curiosity, do you think that mothers cannot empathize with their children? My mind is open, but I'm extremely confident in what I'm saying, understanding this has allowed me to understand women much better and has made my relationships with them much more successful. It makes sense from a biological perspective too. I think I…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 03:53 AM
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But tastes in porn don't say what person you are, your sexual past and things you have done do! How do you figure? And no, your "special" thing doesn't make sense at all. If she thinks he's special, she should want to give him what he desires. It doesn't matter how she sees it in this case, and it's not about it being special. It's about her pretending to be a person who doesn't have sex soon when in reality she does if she's sexually attracted. And - the most important part here - she knows it …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 03:17 AM
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Have you talked to other men about this? Do they feel the same way?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/16 02:29 AM
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I am basing this just from what I've read on TRP. I have read field reports of guys hiding their sexual exploits from women, if he felt she would react poorly. I'm not saying all guys do this, and I agree that women do it more, but that's only because men aren't shamed for their sexual past like women are. Another example would be porn. You might agree that some guys conceal their tastes in porn or their porn use, because they know their wife or girlfriend would react poorly if she found out. Sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:54 PM
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It is sort of like the question, "Does everyone else see the same color as I do when I look at something red?" We are all confined by our own experiences to some degree, but I am curious as to why you think your experiences are the only ones that are real and genuine. Perhaps it's mine that are real and yours are fake. Would you ever know? I would have said that both of our experiences are equally real, but you have idealized your own experiences, put them on a pedestal so to speak, for some rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:33 PM
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You are essentially saying that the only feelings that are real and genuine are the ones you experience. Is this correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:14 PM
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Don't agree at all. Love is very clear to men. Men will know what I'm talking about, women won't. I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. Well I make the distinction by calling it deep, sincere empathy, as opposed to 'logical empathy'. Not to sound increasingly chauvinistic, but again, if you're a woman you're not going to understand what I mean. What men and women experience as empathy is very different. Men literally feel another person's suffering if they love them, women don't, that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 05:42 PM
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Love is unconditional, entirely unconditional. This is a form of platonic idealism. The only form of love that is real is the one that fits your ideal of what you believe what love should be. My understanding of love is closer to deep, sincere empathy, and I don't think women can experience that, I think it's a biological adaptation to keep the man around the woman. I think it's disadvantageous for a woman to have that. To women, love is a concept, to men it's an experience. It's incredibly trau…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:04 PM
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This is interesting. I haven't heard this before. Care to take a guess as to why this is?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 02:51 PM
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Perhaps, but there is an even stronger correlation between having lots of money and possessing the ability to provide for your offspring.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 02:50 PM
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I have a different understanding of hypergamy. I think that a woman seeks a man that improves her in some way she values. This is just another way to say that women are attracted to status, but here the status depends on the context. If he stops improving her in this way and it's not replaced with something else of equal value, or if she stops valuing that thing, then she will start to feel discontent. If it sinks below a certain level, she will start looking for a replacement. Men see this as h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 02:46 PM
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1) He would lie if he thought the girl would receive it poorly. Something you might be able to easily imagine would be a guy lying about experimenting with prostitutes in a trip to Thailand. 2) He doesn't desire a relationship with her? In my mind he is the one being dishonest by pretending he wants a relationship, when he really just wants sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 02:21 PM
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It would have to be an ellaborate ruse. My boyfriend is more of a prude than I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 02:14 PM
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Here lies the problem with the dichotomy. Women want both good genes and a good provider. Jordan Belfort had both, and that's what made him so popular with women. He was a high testosterone guy who also had a lot of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 02:13 PM
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I don't think it's necessary to try and force female sexuality to be some immutable thing. There is the tendency to think, "She isn't attracted to me now, so she never was attracted to me to begin with" or "She doesn't love me now, so she must never have loved me to begin with". This type of thinking might be a throwback to some form of Christian or Platonic idealism, where immutable objects exist at a higher form of reality than the things that change. Women are guilty of this too, thinking, "I…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 02:09 PM
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Probably so. Everything is affected by our genes in one way or another. But I think one should always draw the straightest line from point A to point B. In this case, the straightest line is that women are attracted to wealth for provisioning more so than for genetic quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:58 AM
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This doesn't really make sense if we look at AF/BB through the lens of evo psych. The dichotomy is good genes pitted against good provisioning, and having money clearly falls in the latter category.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 06:35 AM
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I would be very lost and lonely without my boyfriend. I definitely need him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:18 AM
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I have never heard this either from any of my female friends. We are all in relationships though so I guess that would make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 04:03 AM
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I agree with this somewhat. As the theory goes, women evolved to be able to switch mates quickly. When the relationship is over and a new one begins, she basically forgets all about her past partners. Even within a relationship, female sexual attraction declines much more rapidly over time than male sexual attraction. My guess is that this functions to introduce some genetic variety in her offspring. Once she has children with one man, it's on to the next. On a more relatable level, past relatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/16 01:05 AM
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Would you ever pretend to be gay just so you could get a free meal at olive garden? I think you would agree that it's not worth the trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 10:57 PM
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I am trying to make sense of male sexuality by asking questions and trying to figure out where we differ on our reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 10:30 PM
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What am I rationalizing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 10:07 PM
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I think men want to date a woman with the sexuality of a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 09:27 PM
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This is making me a little depressed lol. The platonic part of the relationship is important to me because it is the period where you can value each other as equals. You are just two human beings. Once you have sex then you become a man and a woman and there is no going back from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 09:19 PM
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Would you rather get the book for free or pay $1000 for the signed, special edition copy that no one else has? If you didn't really like the author, and just wanted the book, you'd want the free one. If you really liked the author, then you'd want the special book.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 09:09 PM
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Unless she is in a sugar daddy scenario, those benefits are mostly trivial and not worth the wasted time and effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 08:48 PM
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I'm ok with that, but I don't think it is true for all men. Maybe they are rare, but I know a few men who think poorly of casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 08:31 PM
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Judging from this thread, you are a bit of a rarity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 08:27 PM
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This blows my mind. I knew that men were more open to casual sex but I didn't know they considered it identical to sex in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 08:20 PM
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So would the ideal situation for you be to start dating someone you've previously known just as a friend (so no escalation) and have sex on your first date together?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 12:07 PM
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How long would you prefer to know someone before having sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 12:03 PM
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How would you know. If she agrees to hang out with you again, if she is comfortable standing close to you, if she is accepting of your touch, if she makes excuses to touch you, if she giggles a lot, if she lets you hold her hand, if she is ok being with you alone, if she leans towards you while seated, if she looks at you after laughing to see if you laughed too, if she doesn't pull away from a kiss...stuff like that. You always make the first move because you are the MAN. Ok, since you decide w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 11:59 AM
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15 hours is barely anything. I would say you were both still strangers at that point. What if you knew she wanted you but was waiting for you to make the first move? Would you just have sex with her immediately or take your time?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 11:23 AM
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Would you ever attempt to take things slow so you could get to know her better first? I'm wondering if men ever put up 'road blocks' because they would also prefer a build up, or would like to get to know her better first.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 10:57 AM
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Ok so you don't think it's a fair question? Could you still attempt to answer it?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 10:41 AM
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All combinations of the above conditions are equally desirable to you? Sex with a stranger feels identical to sex with someone you know well?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 10:38 AM
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If any women is seriously wondering this, get involved in engineering or computer science. You will have hundreds of single men to choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 10:36 AM
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Why aren't you? You don't find sex with someone you know well and have built friendship and intimacy with to be better than having sex with someone you don't know well? If you met someone really special, why wouldn't you want to wait so you could experience this with them? Say you met your future wife and you had sex with her on the first night. You guys didn't know each other so well and so it was just meh..Eventually it would get better, but it will never be as intense as if you had waited to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 09:21 AM
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There is no real benefit for the women either unless it ends in a relationship. Both people wasted their time and money for a chance at a relationship. Sometimes it pays out, sometimes it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 08:15 AM
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Sex is part of the relationship. But if you are hoping for the relationship to last the rest of your life, why are you in such a hurry to have sex? Don't you like the build up and anticipation? You are never going to get to experience that again for the rest of your life. You are never going to have a chance to cultivate a platonic bond with your partner ever again. Once you have sex, your relationship changes. It didn't matter with those other guys, because they weren't husband material.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 07:58 AM
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Sure. The only thing I (probably) disagree with you about is that she views the BB as inferior to the AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 07:40 AM
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How would he know based on her responses?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 07:32 AM
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This is not the context of the conversation. We're talking about a woman who sleeps around on the regular, only stopping when she finds someone she "cares about." I assume she wasn't looking for a relationship during that time, just like the guys. Either that or she was trying for a relationship, but failed and so she's adjusting her strategy. ...but you'd still have sex? A guy who tries to have sex with you without knowing you is pretty much a sleeze. What you're telling me, if I'm understandin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 07:25 AM
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There are two groups of men. Group A wants casual sex. Group B wants a relationship. The easiest way for women to find men from Group B is to not have sex immediately, because the guys from Group A will move on to greener pastures once they see she's not forthcoming. Maybe she will accidentally filter out some guys from Group B in the process, but that's not a big problem for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 07:01 AM
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The test is to see what caliber of slut she is. Ok, what type of response would signal to him that she is a high quality slut? For example, if he had asked me anyone of those questions, I would have responded, "Sorry, I'm not interested in that sort of thing." I would immediately know we were incompatible and wouldn't want to waste his time. If your thinking its unfair that it assumes your a slut by default, your completely right - still isn't going to change a damn thing. It's a good way of fil…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 06:55 AM
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I have never been a part of the casual sex scene, so I can't answer your first question. As far as the rest, I'm not making him wait. I'm not rewarding a guy for sex after a long grueling period of abstinence. I am looking for guys who also want to take things slow, because they share the same relationship goals as me. If a guy tried to have sex with me on the first date, I'd simply never see him again. There would be no waiting or jumping through hoops. I would know we are incompatible and he w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 06:28 AM
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The reason he pushes sex early is to test to see whether she's a slut or not. The only way for a girl to pass the test is to not play along.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 06:10 AM
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I wasn't saying that. Someone asked me why girls don't try to woo guys. My response was that they do, it's just in a different way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 05:28 AM
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What was your point in saying that women don't get dressed up for altruistic reasons? I agree, but what does that have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 05:01 AM
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Men have a dual sexual strategy, too. We want easy lays, but the easier a girl is to fuck (within reason), the more turned off we are by the prospect of being with her long-term. This is why several high status men throughout history had non-slutty wives and a harem of concubines. source
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:59 AM
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So what was your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:53 AM
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The fact that you withhold sex from us doesn't make your wife material. You being wife material makes you wife material. Maybe, but I don't know if you are husband material unless you have high FTO, share the same interests as me, and like me for my fabulous personality lol. Call it hypergamy if you want. Maybe 90% of men want to have sex right away, but I want the 10% who also like to take things slow and prefer to cultivate a friendship first. She's just going to get pump and dumped later by t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:52 AM
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That's all for her own benefit and so that she can snag him, not some altruistic gesture for the benefit of the man. "Taking a girl on a date is for his own benefit and so that he can have sex with her, not some altruistic gesture for the benefit of the woman."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:36 AM
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From what I've read, it's about the same for men and women, but slightly higher for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:12 AM
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Same difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 04:08 AM
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Same for men. He is taking her out on dates because he wants to snag her. He doesn't do this for ugly old women unless they are related.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 03:39 AM
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Women dont look pretty for men they do it for other women or their own self esteem. They were probably talking about on a daily basis. And I have heard body builders say the same thing. They lift for themselves, not to attract women. But anyways, when women are dating everything is stepped up a notch. When I first met my boyfriend, I would spend at least 2 hours getting ready, even if we were just going for a bike ride. What is "trying to be charming"? You mean being nice? Arent they just nice a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 03:38 AM
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Why do you think ASD is a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 02:54 AM
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Shouldnt she be doing as much wining and dining and opening doors fir him, paying meals and buying flowers etc She shaves her legs and every other body part, spend 3 hours curling her hair, finding the perfect dress, and putting on makeup. She laughs at his jokes, tries to be as charming as possible, and barely picks at her salad because she doesn't want him to think she's a pig.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 02:47 AM
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A guy fucks sluts all throughout college but then he meets a girl who he really likes. He takes her on dates and spends time with her just because he enjoys her company and he can see their relationship being long term. It's the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 02:41 AM
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He will be more willing 'tolerate' taking things slow with a girl he really likes and enjoys spending time with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 02:38 AM
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I base most of my views on men off of TRP lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 02:35 AM
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Don't men do the same thing? They fuck sluts who they prefer to never see again, but are happy to take things slow with a woman who is special or relationship material.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 02:30 AM
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I don't think she was literally pumped and dumped, but the thinking is the same. Notice she broke up with the other guy to be with her boyfriend. She likes him more, not less, than the so called Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 02:16 AM
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From reading her post, it looks like her past strategy didn't work very well for her, so she is trying something new. Why would a girl who got pumped and dumped in the past continue to allow herself to get pumped and dumped? The issue is that you are assuming it's an offensive strategy on her part when it's really defensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 01:58 AM
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I think you should watch the second part of the video here. https://www.youtube.com/?app=desktop. There is definitely an initiator's advantage. We can discuss this endlessly, but perhaps it would be quicker if you just read the study? You only really need to read the last segment. You go on to say it contradicts reality, but the study looks at reality. Again, I feel like I am repeating myself, but the ratings are irrelevent because the researchers did not use them to determine who was more attra…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 01:35 AM
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Reverse the script. If a guy is willing to wait to have sex with a woman, then he probably really likes spending time with her. If he demands sex immediately, then he probably doesn't even like her that much and just wants sex. No girl thinks, "I'm going to reward hot guys with sex and make unattractive guys wait."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/16 01:08 AM
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I like talking to people with radically different views. And yeah I'm a gnostic. You?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 12:04 PM
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She doesn't play by the rules. She continually rebels against him and eventually leaves him. He goes crazy without her, and in attempt to win her back agrees to have vanilla sex and only engage in BDSM on her terms. All of his original boundaries are eventually broken. It's male overt power pitted against female soft power and the woman ends up winning by getting him to change who he is. Anna, in comparison, changes very little throughout the book. Not interested in pot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 11:51 AM
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She seems unfriendly and overly negative. Here is another article from another woman who uses the ap to meet men and has fun with it. Don't worry about the one woman who will be annoyed. Would you even want to date her anyways?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 09:46 AM
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I don't understand how this relates to my point. OP claimed that feminism is just a giant shit test, but a shit test is a way to test a guy's fitness or dominance. A woman shit tests a man so she can determine if he is a good mate. What would women gain by using feminism to collectively shit test men, but then end up dating 'feminist' men anyways? It is no wonder women are far unhappier today than they were before. Nothing makes her happy. The men they truly desire are in short supply and they h…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 09:38 AM
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How so? She had to submit to him and play by his rules. That's not how the story went. She got him to cave on every single one of his rules (no sleeping in the same bed, no touching, no romance, no relationship, no talking about his past, no vanilla sex). He started as a guy who was afraid of intimacy and relationships from his dark past and she 'cured' him. The whole story was a female power fantasy. And? Did you enjoy the experience? No, it's not my thing. Why do you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/16 09:17 AM
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Only if feminists were exclusively mating with non-feminist men which I very much doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:41 PM
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you clearly have no sense for metaphor if that's what you believe. I wasn't meaning literally oppressed of course. It was male hard power (resources, status, physical strength) pitted against female soft power (charm, allure, sexuality, endearment). And who won in the end? She did. This doesn't surprise me. Have you ever smoked pot though? Yeah, about ten years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:15 PM
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If a shit test is a way to test the fitness of a male, there would be no gain for women to collectively shit test men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 10:48 PM
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Women want to be equals to men. There is no shit test. That's what they really want. The reason I say that it might be less tormenting for women to be oppressed, is because then we could transfer our hate to men instead of hating ourselves. 50 shades was a fantasy of gaining power over an oppressor, not being oppressed. No, I've never taken psychedelics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 06:13 PM
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It's not an external problem, it's internal. The only freedom I want is from myself. Sometimes I think it would have been better if we didn't give women the same opportunities as men. It's like telling someone with a mental disability that he can become an astronaut. He spends his life working hard and thinking he's actually acheieved something along the way, only to find out he's just a retard and will never amount to anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 11:09 AM
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Pmed you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 08:55 AM
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It doesn't sound like you are fine at all though. What about your life is shit?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 08:28 AM
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That's an interesting point about the cortisol. Does it make you more paranoid, less rational, or what does it do?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 08:02 AM
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Yikes! That's a long time to be depressed. What helps you, anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 07:56 AM
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Nope. My username was EmilyGreen if that rings a bell. I just checked it out and it seems to have a lot more atheists now.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 07:42 AM
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Do you ever see mental health problems in the users here?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 07:35 AM
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TGL, if you don't ming me asking, how long have you been suicidal?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 07:34 AM
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Awesome. I've been wondering about the effect of hormones for awhile. Thanks for the review.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 04:53 AM
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Wow what a coincidence haha. I never met anyone who even heard of that place before.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 04:32 AM
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Did you actually post on there too?!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 04:14 AM
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I figured it was meant for that sex ratio guy :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 03:52 AM
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I don't even know what we are fighting about! :(
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/16 12:31 AM
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What puzzled you specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 09:43 PM
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and there was no initiator's advantage there, in fact the initiators (women) got shittier choices than the ones initiated on (men). I don't know what you mean by shittier choices. A stable solution to the problem, as discussed in that video, is that the initiators end up with an optimal pairing and the reviewers end up with a sub optimal pairing. This is the advantage initiators have. There is power in choosing who you buy from, but there is also power in choosing who you sell to. Besides, Stabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 09:42 PM
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Me too. Reasonablefaith.org forums was my PPD back in the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 09:16 PM
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a euphoric atheist in my teens years and loved the idea of science. <3 Did you ever argue with Christians online?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 06:48 PM
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Thanks! Although I don't think it required any more work than any other major. I see you got a degree in math with a minor in philosophy. We probably have a lot in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 06:09 PM
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Same here! It makes a huge difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 06:04 PM
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Isn't the SMV graph the logical explanation? No the logical explanation is the due to the 'initiator's advantage'. Since everyone aims high, whoever initiated was more likely to end up with someone of higher SMV, man or woman. When women actually initiated, they had the advantage. They ended up with someone of higher SMV 60% of the time. Also, we can completely forget about the ratings, the researchers could have left it out completely, and we would still expect the same results. Have you heard …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 05:55 PM
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And they discovered that women from every group felt that they have settled, ie they felt they deserved a partner from a higher group. They didn't do this though. They didn't ask anyone if they were ultimately happy with their choice. The fun part is that I can change K any way I want, and it wouldn't matter. I don't understand your point here. I agree that K doesn't matter, apart from resolution. They chose K=5 groups, each containing 20% of the population, but they could have chosen K=3, or K=…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 05:21 PM
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I'm not saying anything different than TRP always does. Consider this segment from the sidebar's 'The Manipulated Man'. When a man, believing woman his equal, realizes the futility of her way of life, he naturally tends to think that it must be his fault, that he must be suppressing her. But in our time women are no longer subject to the will of men. Quite the contrary. They have been given every opportunity to win their independence and if, after all this time, they have not liberated themselve…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 05:10 PM
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No, sorry, the girls rated the guys and the guys are rated the girls. However, neither of these rating were used to determine SMV. This was determined independently. Let me edit my comment above to clarify.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:46 PM
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Of course you've already made a post on this. I always like your threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:41 PM
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Thanks. Highly charged conversations don't come up very often, but it would be useful to have the tools to deal with them when they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:39 PM
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Did it hurt your feelings at the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:37 PM
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I think you are misunderstanding my point. The ratings weren't used to determine who was more attractive, so they are irrelevant. For instance say we have 3 guys, 3 girls. Guy A is rated a 6/10, Guy B a 3/10, and Guy C a 2/10 by the women. Girl A is rated a 9/10, Girl B a 7/10, and Girl C a 5/10 by the men. You can see in this scenario that the girls found the men much less attractive than the men found the girls. However, If Girl A hooks up with Guy A, the researchers did not categorize this as…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:35 PM
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Don't get used to it =P
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:22 PM
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That's an interesting point, and I think I agree with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:21 PM
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research scientist What field are you in if you don't mind me asking?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:20 PM
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I'm a grad student in math/physics. To many reasons to list here, but math is the only thing in this universe that actually makes sense. I never feel like I understand something until I get the math behind it. It varies. Most of the people in my department are naturally curious about the way the world works, and like a challenge. Yes, but having a lot of self doubt lately. I'm not sure if it's realistic. Not at all. I would do it for free if my boyfriend didn't partially depend on my income. N/A…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:19 PM
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I sort of agree, but I don't think this is exclusive to women, since I've experienced it myself. Basically, the more you talk, the higher the chances you fuck up and some sort of miscommunication will occur. The damage this causes outweighs any potential benefit you might get from communicating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:07 PM
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I think social rejection or exclusion is one of worst types of emotional pain a human can experience. We are hardwired to be social creatures. No matter the class, culture, or personality, everyone seems to want to feel like they belong. Very few people are truly happy being alone. For incels who adopt the label as part of their identity, they have found relief from their social exclusion among other men like themselves. Other incels validate their pain and accept them, prompting loyalty to each…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 04:01 PM
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In my last relationship, I let resentment build a lot and that was a huge mistake. It's not like I never talked about stuff with him, of course I did, but after a few failed trials of 'communicating', I just gave up. The problem was that communication assumes that he has control over his behavior. People assume that talking can fix the problem, because then he can just change his behavior. He can't though, at least not if the problem is significant. It's a faulty assumption. And does nothing rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 02:55 PM
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Yeah we totally did that, I admit it. You were right, we were wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 02:35 PM
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Thanks for you for this. Your honesty and self awareness is refreshing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 02:31 PM
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Aww you don't mean that. You don't think that Carkudo, bromance, or any of the other self-identified incels around here are subhuman trash do you? Women can reject men for some pretty shallow reasons, but even if it's due to depression or social anxiety, that doesn't make incels bad people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 02:22 PM
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I mean like in order to solve disagreements or problems. If I'm upset about something and so I talk to my boyfriend about how I feel, it never fixes the issue and usually makes things worse. I don't raise my voice. I don't speak accusatory. I just say "Hey this has been bothering me lately so I wanted to let you know how I feel." It never works. He ends up feeling bad and then I feel worse for making him feel bad, and so I'm less happy than when I started. The original problem doesn't go away ei…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 03:48 AM
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We do too! We always walk around thinking we are going to buy all this new furniture, but then we only ever end up buying a cup or soap dish.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 03:43 AM
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Sounds ok to me. You padded it with two compliments and kept it lighthearted. When I said never criticize him, I mean something like, "Why did you put holes in my welcome mat? That was pretty thoughtless of you." or "Why do you never think before you do stuff?" Also, does your husband like IKEA? My boyfriend loves it!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/16 03:08 AM
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I would say that's not a big enough issue to even bring up. You have a welcome mat that looks like swiss cheese, but a happy boyfriend? Worth it. Besides, the welcome mat already has holes. Next time she buys a mat she can just ask him to hang it a certain way. No need to make him feel like he did something wrong at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:56 PM
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Can you give an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:40 PM
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Communicatiom has never worked for me. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. Everyone else seems so enthusiastic about it. I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:33 PM
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It's good advice for women, because we want guys who enjoy our company and avoid guys who might just want a plate. It's the exact opposite of the problem men have with the 'friend zone'.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:20 PM
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Pill status: Purple/Mixed. Relationship status: 4 year LTR. My tips are all going to be on relationships. Tip1: The purpose of flirting is to highlight sexual dimorphism. Men are attracted to sexual vulmerability. Remind him in subtle ways that he is bigger and stronger than you. Tip 2: Recognize your partner's bids for attention. If he is telling you about his day, showing you something on the internet, or asks you to watch a show with him, he wants you to validate his experience through shared…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:14 PM
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I was homeschooled and my parents strictly controlled what I watched on T.V and what type of music I listened to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:56 PM
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The male and female users were broken down into groups of 20% according to their popularity. So the fact that women rated men more harshly would not effect the results in the way you are thinking. For instance even if the top 20% of men were rated lower than the top 20% of women, their smv was considered to be the same in this study.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:45 PM
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You don't believe I'm speaking genuinely?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:14 PM
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I can't see how this could be true in my case. The only exposure I had to feminism growing up was negative in nature and usually through the rants of Rush Limbaugh or other conservative talk show hosts. Even into adulthood, I didn't have any real exposure to feminism until I started reading reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:12 PM
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Thanks. I appreciate that! As far as the social issues you mentioned, I certainly think we have done a disservice to men. We tend to focus our attention on those at the top, and in doing so we have failed to recognize the large amount of variance in the male experience. Men are struggling, and when they looked to us for support, we tell them to stop whining and deal with it themselves. Just the fact that so many men like yourself feel disfranchised, or worse demonized, tells me that we've gone w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:04 PM
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You are so very nice and helpful, but I know what the 80/20 rule is lol. I was asking him to explain how this study supported the 80/20 rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 12:00 PM
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Oh crap. I forgot lol. Sorry, thanks for reminding me! Edited the OP, but here it is too, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4043335/.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 11:52 AM
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I'm not sure, I'll have to read the study more carefully. One point I should mention though is that the number of men and women are not equal. So although the absolute numbers should be the same, the percentages will not be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 11:42 AM
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Thanks! There is so much heat surrounding her situation. I wish I knew the full, unbiased story.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 11:06 AM
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Here is the graph I pulled the percentages from. It looks like they might be slightly closer, maybe 23% and 21%, but I'm not sure what's the reason for the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 11:03 AM
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That's not how they determined attractiveness. They picked the most popular 20% of men to be in the top group, then the next 20% of men in the 2nd group, and so on. SMV was distributed evenly across both men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:59 AM
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Why don't you think it proves 80/20? Because women ended up with men less attractive than themselves and men ended up with women more attractive than themselves. How would this be possible under the 80/20 rule?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:50 AM
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These two distributions were not reflected in the message distribution, or the response distribution. Both men and women messaged and responded primarily to people more attractive than themselves, and men ended up with women more attractive than themselves more so than women ended up with women more attractive than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:48 AM
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You have no obligation to either sympathize or empathize with women or anyone else for that matter. It doesn't matter if women have it worse or not. If you don't want to care, then don't. However, I think you should also note that the reason we have all these girl power campaigns is because it's already blatantly obvious that men are awesome. Look around you. Men are doing amazing things all the time and always have done amazing things throughout history. Even hunting mamoths sounds way cooler t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 10:37 AM
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Why is it a bad plan? I guess I'll have go ask her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 09:47 AM
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Haha thanks Krispy. I was asking him to explain how he thought this study supported the 80/20 rule though, not hamstering. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 09:45 AM
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I don't think this supports the 80/20 rule. I don't want to be a hamster though, so can you explain?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:45 AM
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This is the same Gamer Gate that believes whatever an angry ex boyfriend tells them, What was that girl's name again? It seemed like a witch hunt to me at the time, but I didn't know all of the details.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:42 AM
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Did she contribute anything financially prior to quitting her job? I'm just asking because I went through a similar situation with my ex. I was really poor though so I didn't have much to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:38 AM
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Did you make a lot more money than her?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:21 AM
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They rated users based on popularity. Education, personality (what can be gleaned from the bios at least), race...everything was accounted for, not just physical attractiveness. An ugly doctor with a charming profile could still be in the top group. Also they separated profiles into percentiles. Each group contained 20% of the users, so the fact that women rated men harsher doesn't effect the results.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:20 AM
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I guess that is possible, although it seems unlikely since there are also Chads on dating sites. Sorry about your ex wife though. I'm kind of glad she is gone from your life though. It doesn't sound like she was that great a wife anyways. Do you have to pay alimony?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 08:13 AM
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Yeah that's true! Also longer bios!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:59 AM
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You think women use one dating site to find betas and one to find Chads?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:56 AM
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Global meaning across all measures, not just physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:54 AM
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Apparently she's not meeting Chad online though, so that narrows things down a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:50 AM
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Haha, why would she have a heart attack over that? Anyways, yeah. Women can significantly improve their results by initiating more. Unfortunately, there's not much for men to take away from this, except maybe increase their bio length. If either sex is having trouble, then there is a lot of room to lower their standards, but of course no one likes that option.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:47 AM
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The main stuff that I think BP might find surprising is that women have an advantage in online dating, women are just as likely as men to aim high, and women judge men more harshly than men judge women. This last point appears to invalidate their claim that similar results from an OKCupid trial were just an artifact of the rating system. The stuff that RP might find surprising is that men also shoot high above their league, and men are actually more likely to end up with someone more desirable t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:31 AM
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I do not think this is true. For an example, men are judged more harshly for gender role transgressions, for leadership errors, for domestic violence, for deviating from dating scripts, and also judged more harshly in court. Women of course have their own set of expectations, but I do not think that your statement is true in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 07:15 AM
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Lastly men literally can't have sex when they're not attracted. No boner. No sex. Men can be raped by women, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 01:34 AM
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I don't agree with either of those beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/16 01:15 AM
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Maybe it's like this....Almost all approval is good, but approval from certain people matters more than others. All intimacy is good, but intimacy with certain people is more important than others. For instance, one of my friends might tell me that they are proud of me. This is nice but it wouldn't mean the same as if my dad told me he was proud of me. Even though it is the exact same act from my perspective, the context makes a difference. Same with sex I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:31 PM
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Chivalry isn't feminist, it's a form of benevolent sexism which is highly correlated with hostile sexism. It seems counter-intuitive, (how can you think that women are wonderful and malicious at the same time?) but the two are related. They act in unison to preserve the status quo, i.e. gender roles. I sometimes wonder if RPIllers were just highly benevolently sexist before, and once they discovered that women do not fit their feminine ideal, they switched over to the hostile side of sexism. So …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:15 PM
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Does this also hold in relationships? If what you say is true, it seems like I could just get my boyfriend in the mood by walking around naked or in a skimpy outfit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 09:40 PM
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There is unlikely to be a single piece of advice that works for everyone. It's good advice for the people who find it useful, and bad advice for those don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 10:06 AM
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Which is what this downvote party is about, so thanks. Sorry about that. I upvoted you. Anyway, trp doesn't hold that all women will kick you in the ribs, it holds that all women are like the woman who kicked you in the ribs in that they have the capacity to kick you in the ribs. I don't think this is any better. Imagine someone saying, "Not all men are child molesters, but all men are like child molesters and have the capacity to molest children." It seems a weird line of logic to me. Sure it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 03:52 AM
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How many times do I have to say that we teach not to hate women for being women? That's what I'm saying. TRP advices men to move past their hatred, because women can't help but be women. But for TBP it's not the same, since TRPillers can just stop saying women are worthless pieces of shit. From TBP perspective, it's like this...imagine the following ridiculous scenario. You want to be Tom's friend, so you go over to his house. Tom's last friend was Canadian, and this friend would kick Tom in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/16 12:09 AM
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Well back to the topic of debate. TRP does that and then teaches men to accept the differences and adapt, ultimately freeing us from the hatred. Does TBP do that or is it the more hateful subreddit? This is due to the fact that TRP's hate is based on an immutable characteristic, but TBP's hate is based on something that RPillers can control. All a RPiller would have to do to stop being hated by the TBP is to stop saying hateful things, or stop identifying as a RPiller. Women can't stop being wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 11:37 PM
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TBP is blind to the context of TRP, just as you are blind to the context of TBP. Women take the shit on TRP personally. TRP argues over and over again... women lack any self awareness, women just want to use men for their resources, women are despicable creatures, women lack consciousness, women are psychopaths, women are mentally teenagers, women are subhuman, women need to be controlled or else they turn into monsters, women are worthless, etc... Eventually we get the idea. You hate us. Got it…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 10:48 PM
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Doesn't TRP also mock women and beta men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 09:20 PM
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Most men don't even understand how to be comforting and I'm not saying it as a bad thing, they just seek practical solutions instead of dealing with emotions. The way to fix this is just ask for a hug. It seems too simple to be effective but it almost always works for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 06:53 AM
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Argh...the only thing you are trying to do with this post is hurt men. You realize that other men besides the ones that say women are shit will read this too, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/16 12:22 AM
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Haha, good catch. I agree that even betas will have more sex in more a sexually open world, though I still suspect most additional sex accrues to the Chads. I would say that women have a clear advantage in the casual sex market, just because their demand is higher than men's. They will use this advantage to get the best mate they can get, i.e. Chads if they can. Theoretically this makes sense to me. However, it also seems reasonable to assume that by lowering the costs associated with casual sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 07:45 PM
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Looking at the paper, sexual behavior for both sexes increased quite a bit. The reason the author states that it was primarily a female revolution, is because men have always consistently reported more sexual behavior than women. Over the period of time studied in this paper, female sexual behavior increased but only to close the gap between men and women. Here are a few charts summarizing the findings. Casual Sex 1963 1971 1978 Men - 5% 9% Women - 1% 6% Sex in Dating 1963 1971 1978 Men 1% 28% 4…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 06:53 PM
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That's great! It's nice to hear a success story.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 04:38 PM
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What specific things helped you the most? Do you mind sharing?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:24 AM
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It's RP trying to run dread game on women collectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 05:03 AM
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What if it could potentially help your depressed friend? Some guys here say it really worked for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 04:59 AM
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Off topic, but you say you are a former incel. Are you satisfied with your sex life now?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 04:58 AM
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Aww but you are really a big sweetheart inside. I bet your husband is the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 04:55 AM
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I want your husband to come talk to us so bad! What does he think about all this? Does he share your views?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 03:18 AM
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I guess we could say they are the oldest teenager in the house. :p
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 03:16 AM
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I believe you. It's my boyfriend that thinks that, not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 03:03 AM
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I try to talk to my boyfriend about the topics we discuss here. I hope to get him interested enough to join in on the discussion, but he's just not into it. Sometimes he gets a little angry at me about it, because he doesn't understand why I continue to talk to people who at times make me visibly upset. He is not a fan of RP ideas. He is fairly convinced that the majority of RPillers are teenage boys (no dis, just relating what he said). He also has told me that he has no interest in being a cap…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 02:37 AM
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Not sure if this counts as a RP response or not...but I guess the mods can judge. I'm sure you have heard the following advice, "never loan a friend more money than you are willing to lose". The idea is that when you do someone a favor, you give it to them freely without expectation of reciprocation. If you can't afford this, or are secretly hoping for something in return, then you just don't give at all. It is a way to avoid covert contracts like a guy helping a girl with her homework for an en…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/16 01:33 AM
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Next time they come to you with their problems say, "This is a very important issue that warrants my attention, but first you should buy me lunch."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 06:35 AM
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Interestingly enough, we do use the word performance to describe a man's ability to maintain an erection. If a guy says he has performance issues in bed, then it is assumed he means that he is unable to get or keep an erection. I am not sure of the significance of this, but it seems relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 05:22 AM
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This is such a kind comment. You are an alright guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/16 05:10 AM
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I think what women worry and obsess about the things that correspond to their gender role. As agents, men will worry about their performance. As objects, women will worry about their appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 09:47 PM
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I like you too =)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 09:36 PM
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I wouldn't, especially if it was one of my sisters. I would try and convince her to turn herself in, and I'd probably attempt to anonymously pay for the victims medical bills, but there is no way I could turn her in myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 07:45 PM
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I know that our brains wouldn't operate properly without emotions, but at times they seem more of a hinderance than a help. From what I've observed, everyone thinks emotionally first, and then applies logic afterwards in order to make sense of how they feel. No one thinks logically from first principles. In some ways, I think this is just necessary to function. Imagine a computer that considers all the possibilities, and then considers all the possibilities for those possibilities, and so on. Wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 09:39 AM
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From the research I've read, women are definitely more emotional. One study showed that men can even shut down emotions more efficiently on a cognitive level. Men are also better at solving problems logically, where women rely on intuition more. So I would mostly agree that men are more logical, and women are more emotional although obviously not as a strict rule. I don't agree about entitlement. I think that women lean towards neuroticism, and men towards narcissism. Again not as a rule, and no…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 07:03 AM
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Yeah, this is it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 04:40 AM
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This is something that I think RP is right about. In the bedroom, I don't want my boyfriend to try and please me. If something hurts, I'll tell him. If I want something, I'll tell him. It just really turns me on to see him fully enjoying himself and I'd rather him not worry about me at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 03:25 AM
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Judging from our past conversations, I think you will agree with me on this point. People can be immature, emotional, manipulative, dumb, and entitled. People can also be mature, stoic, altruistic, intelligent, and generous. One set of traits isn't more characteristic of people than the other. It is all within the realm of human nature. Now it may be the case that on average, men display more of the latter set of characteristic, and less of the former than women. I absolutely believe this is tru…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 03:15 AM
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Well let's assume for a moment that men are more mature, less emotional, less manipulative, more intelligent, and less entitled than women. As these things usually go, we would have a bell curve for each trait, ranging from very emotional to stoic, dumb to intelligent, etc. We can then compare the set of bell curves for men and women. Since men are better at each trait, we would see that the peak of each bell curve would be shifted to the right for men compared to the woman. If gender was the on…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/16 01:25 AM
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I've told this story several times before, but here it is again. I grew up in a conservative household, and my mom was the christian version of RP. I think she might have been even a little more extreme than RP on some issues. She pulled us out of public school when we were young so she could give us a strict conservative education. My dad was more laid back about stuff, but one incident with him really sticks out in my mind. I was asking him about a Bible verse that said something like, "man wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 11:47 PM
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eah, that's nice, but pointless and if he complains about not getting laid, that is pathetic. You don't know if he complains about it at all. He also might even get laid regularly, we don't know. Maybe he just wanted to be nice and that's it. You are pulling from the behaviors of different men to construct an imaginary man that you view as pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 10:15 PM
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If RPillers tell us that all the women they have dated and met are immature, emotional, manipulative, dumb, entitled, and slutty, then why is it wrong for BPillers to say that the only women Rpillers attract are immature, emotional, manipulative, dumb, entitled, and slutty? Do you even disagree with us?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 09:53 PM
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If I am doing a personal experiment of sorts, I would just like to be explicit. What is the context? What would the best BP advice be? What would the best RP advice be? Perhaps we can think of a few experiments so that the users here can test these ideas out for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 03:34 AM
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Why does he need an excuse at all? He just bought you a free drink and you are criticizing him because of it. You didn't say, "I wish these generous mystery men would stick around so I could thank them". You called them pathetic. And for what? Because they are shy? So what. Lots of people are shy, myself included.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/16 12:38 AM
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I have read RPW and TRP sporadically for while now. I think I understand the underlying theory. From what I gather, the main message of RPW is highlight sexual dimorphism and stop trying to control your man. I have experimented with this somewhat, with mixed success. My relationship was pretty healthy before, but I thought that I could always improve i.e. be a better girlfriend. Unfortunately, at the same time as discovering RP, I also fell into a little bit of depression(?), or something, not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 11:48 PM
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It's pretty natural and human to fear rejection. This is something that we as women don't have to deal with as much, since we aren't expected to approach men. Given that it is a burden we aren't expected to carry, I think it would be kind to cut guys a little slack. Wouldn't you feel frustrated and maybe even a little angry if you were constantly rejected by men? I know I would. Additionally, if some guy bought you a drink without expecting anything in return, why is this gesture met with scorn …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 11:14 PM
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Can you give me a few specifics?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 09:56 PM
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Do you have a way I could test it out for myself as a woman? I believe that TRP has helped you and other men, but I think I would believe it more if I could see it for myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/16 10:37 AM
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You come across to me as an extraordinary vulnerable person. So much that you evoke a little bit of my mothering instincts. I think that your attempts to signal strength are actually doing the opposite of what you want. You are signally weakness. It's counterintuitive, but by saying "I am strong" you are actually telling people "I am weak". People who are truly strong don't ever tell people that they are. They just are, and people pick up on it. So my advice for you would be to be to be strong b…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 11:49 PM
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I can understand this concern, because sometimes when I read some particularly biting comment on TRP I start to think "maybe this is how all men secretly feel, despite some of them repeatedly telling me otherwise". But then I think, if I'm willing to take the word of some guy who says X, then why am I also not willing to take the word of some guy who says Y? Why am I treating X as an authentic expression of how men feel but not Y? I think the reason is because we all have a bias or a tendency to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 09:28 PM
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Hence, far more women than men face danger in their lives. How can this be true when more men die and face serious injury?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 07:21 AM
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No. No. No. No. No. No. My current bf rides bikes but doesn't go to a gym. No. Never dated a guy with even one tattoo. No. 9.No. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/16 02:35 AM
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This is something I can't understand outside of red pill theory. Feelings don't just pouf away. They are the result of deep emotional bonding, which I thought I saw, for years before I married her. The inescapable conclusion is that women can't have the same depth of bonding as we do, after a certain n count. I knew nothing about these concepts (going as far as telling her that her past was irrelevant to me) before I took the red pill. Feminism may have been an excuse for her, but it certainly i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 08:49 AM
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Related question for RPillers. Why do you think that low value women had lower reply rates that low value men in that OkCupid study that everyone used to link? Here's the link again. If you scroll down you'll see a graph titled "Message success by attractiveness". When you look at the success rate of the least attractive women messaging the least attractive men, they get a 35% reply rate. When the least attractive women message the most attractive men, they have %5 reply rate. Looking at the lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/16 12:02 AM
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Imagine that you could get sex from guys, but none of them ever wanted to wanted to hang out with you. All they wanted to do is have sex and then leave. You'd ask to go on a walk, have a chat over coffee, or maybe even watch a movie together. Not only would guys refuse, but they would stop contacting you after you asked. The idea of hanging out with you made them so uncomfortable, that they would ghost just from you bringing up the idea. You really wanted both sex and companionship, but eventual…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 11:49 PM
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Women are raised these days to associate domestic work with evil patriarchy in college. Yeah I went through this phase unfortunately. It's a little ridiculous. We think that guys are trying to make us into stepford wives by not cleaning the toilet. Obviously some guys just don't like cleaning the toilet because cleaning the toilet sucks lol. What people often fail to realize is that it isn't the ability to turn out amazing dishes that is the sign of love. It is instead taking on the struggle of …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 10:21 AM
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I always wondered about this. In my experience, guys are willing to foster mental intimacy early on in the relationship, but then sooner or later they stop. Like during the romance stage, guys will share more of their thoughts and feelings. Maybe it's similar to girls having sex early in the relationship, but then later withholding sex? I always wondered why this was. Is it something girls are doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 04:25 AM
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It sounds like you cooked, worked, and did all the errands while she made excuses. I'm guessing you were happy to do it because you loved her and accepted whatever reasons she gave for not doing anything. Instead of her being grateful for this, she took advantage of your generous nature and eventually abandoned you and your marriage. What about now? You say you are fully healed. Are you are happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/16 04:22 AM
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This is probably because you are awesome and know what's what.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 06:55 PM
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Sorry to be so cliche, but if talking doesn't help, I hope that time will eventually heal your emotional wounds. I deeply feel for you. Life and fortune are like water. They flow to their conclusion without reference to human convenience. A man's task is to fill the hours with integrity and honest toil, until his time is done. Aren't we a part of life? It's true that things happen without any regard to us, but it is also true that our experiences are partially dictated by our own actions. Things…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 06:54 PM
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I respect your experiences and I'm certainly not in any way suggesting that men should use this information to attract women. This is not meant to be advice, rather I'm just sharing my own sexual strategy. The fact that it's worked for me doesn't mean that it would work for anyone else, especially men. I think for me, and possibly other women, our strategy doesn't need to be efficient. It can fail 99% of the time and that's ok. Because once it works once, then I'm done. I have a boyfriend for as…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 06:41 PM
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It's not the same kind of intimacy. It's a mental intimacy rather than physical.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 06:18 PM
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I don't think talking would help much, but it's literally though only thing I can do to possibly help him feel better so I thought it was worth a shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 06:11 PM
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Have you asked your husband about any RP stuff? What does he think about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 06:18 AM
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If we are just going by what would be attractive to women, I would say some sort of wild animal photographer or conservationist, like Steve Irwin. If we are going for straight badass, I would still say Steve Irwin.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 06:14 AM
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Haha Bromance! Don't be such a turd.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 05:41 AM
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I think the purpose isn't necessarily to communicate anything in particular (which is why it seems inconsequential) but to establish intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 05:25 AM
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What would have helped you during this time? Did you ever want to talk about it openly with someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 05:22 AM
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Thanks, this is comforting to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 05:17 AM
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Yeah, sorry we suck so much. I wish I could fix it for you, but I'm really not sure how. I will try to empathize with you the best I can though. I will say that I think that women really do love men though. The reason feminists keep arguing stuff like "Men and women are the same!" is basically because they secretly wish women were as awesome as men. That's what I think at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 04:56 AM
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Uh oh. You mean I still behave like a 20 year old at the age of 32? RP confirmed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 04:47 AM
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Do you believe that guys who tend to take things slow have less of this sexual outlook? Yes, that is my assumption. I think that guys who are just looking for casual sex wouldn't want to wait very long. Taking it slow is a way we can both filter each other out. I only say this because I used to be one of those guys, very meek in relationships only because I was groomed to believe that's what women wanted and thus I made an effort to fit the bill. I believe you. I think a lot of women assume that…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 04:35 AM
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I can understand that. After being repeatedly rejected or heartbroken, I can imagine that you would need to put up some sort of emotional defense just to retain your sanity. You can't just allow youself to keep getting hurt over and over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 03:17 AM
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Can you explain what you mean by this? I am very interested in what you have to say. What are men hurt by in this situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/16 01:01 AM
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This is true, but a more fitting analogy would be to compare relationships to a gift economy rather than a business transaction or exchange of goods.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 11:53 PM
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When you had casual sex, were you hoping for a relationship with the guy? Or did you want nothing to do with him afterwards?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 11:36 PM
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I dated my ex for 9-10 years and he only worked a few months during those ten years. I think I seek out men who make less money than me because I believe that if they are economically dependent on me, they won't leave me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 11:22 PM
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Yes, I don't ever ask about partner count, but I only date people who are interested in long term relationships and prefer to take things slow. The reason is that male sexuality scares me. I'm not worried about being raped or anything like that. Rather, I don't understand how men can have sex with lots of women with no emotional attachment. I don't understand the desire for casual, non-committed sex, nor the desire for plates. I get this idea in my head that men are collectively laughing behind …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 11:17 PM
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It's not like it's some big achievement. I have sex with him not because I'm a good girlfriend or anything. I just like having sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/16 09:18 PM
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Would it change how you feel about me if I already do these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 06:31 PM
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What would an individual modern woman need to do to gain your approval?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 09:11 AM
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I just tried it and it didn't actually hurt that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 09:08 AM
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Not at all. I think you yourself would benefit from some more hardship, suffering and struggle in your life. Most people here would, me included. So it's not because you don't like me or disapprove of me in some way, but just that you'd would like to see me be stronger? That's something I want for myself too. Your suffering would also bring me a certain degree of personal satisfaction, as you strike me as a naive oversensitive ingenue, which appeals to my inner sadist. What would you like to hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 06:34 AM
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Yeah, I know I need to. How do you deal with hateful comments about men? Did you find a way to cope with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 04:47 AM
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What do you suggest I do?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 04:27 AM
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Out of curiousity, could you point to an individual woman that you'd like to see suffer more? You don't have to name her, I'm just wondering if a particular woman comes to mind. The reason I'm asking is because when I read stuff like this I always take it personally (my own fault I know). My mind goes like this...Since I am a woman, you must think I am spoiled entitled and you want me to suffer. You probably aren't thinking of any woman in particular, but in my mind you, betterdeadthanbeta want …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/16 01:13 AM
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Be more insistent or obvious. I don't think the problem is that the woman's communication is too ambiguous. Perhaps this might be a factor at the very beginning of the relationship, but not a few years in (the book is mostly directed towards married couples). My boyfriend and I have been together 4-5 years, and I frequently tell my him, 'I'm horny, want to have sex?' or I will just start touching him. I can't get any more obvious, he absolutely knows when I want sex lol. If he turns me down, bei…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/16 10:54 PM
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Np! Just out of curiosity, what brought you to this very old thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 11:57 PM
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Here is the full pdf. Experiment 4 is where they talk about the link between desiring sex, sexual experience, and attitudes towards the other gender. I should mention that I got the results slightly wrong in my comment from 5 months ago. Liking sex plus sexual experience was linked to positive attitudes towards women in men. For women however, liking sex led to positive attitudes towards men without sexual experience being necessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/16 11:10 PM
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Yeah I think so too. It's really exciting waiting to hold hands for the first time, kiss for the first time, spend the night for the first time. I like the build up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 03:19 AM
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I met my boyfriend in Miami which I don't think is terribly conservative. We both come from very religious families though so maybe that's why it seems normal to both of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 03:17 AM
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This is normal to me. I'm surprised that most of the women so far are saying that they would assume the guy was shy or not into them. I just thought this was typical behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/16 01:38 AM
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Well I think the comment you used as an example was actually a man who wrote it because he used the word "us." Good catch! I didn't notice that before.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 10:56 PM
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I agree that PPD is an appropriate place to argue NAWALT, but I think this happens external to discussions surrounding AWALT, and even outside of the PPD context. Consider for instance, this conversation I had with someone on askfeminists. https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/4fjpj8/would_any_feminists_here_like_to_join_me_in_an/d2auusz The context was an imaginary situation where a man was voicing his grievances to a female friend. In his his despair over an unsuccessful interaction wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 09:26 PM
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So are you saying that the two situations are different because AWALT implies something inherent about female nature, but discussions about rape and violence towards women do not imply anything inherent about male nature?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 07:52 PM
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Fair enough! I appreciate your consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/16 06:52 PM
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So she marries her BB, but has an additional BB as a backup?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 05:20 PM
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I disagree. Empathy is most potent when applied to children. Those who are weak, vulnerable, innocent, and needy, resemble children more so than someone like Donald Trump. In general, celebrities receive very little empathy. We find it entertaining to see them fail. This also applies to men and women. Men receive less empathy than women, because men are less child-like than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 04:22 PM
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Right, so doesn't a safety net seem more like a beta orbiter than either an AF or BB?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 04:14 PM
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I thought I could make him even more happy or better maintain the relationship we had.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/16 04:11 PM
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Not stating your actions and intentions explicitly doesn't make it manipulative. Being deceptive makes it manipulative. You can test to see if you are being deceptive by either judging how comfortable you are with being open and honest, or by imagining what the other person's reaction would be if you were completely explicit with your intentions. If you are not comfortable with stating your intentions, or if you image that the other person might react negatively, then you are likely being decept…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 03:35 PM
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It's a backup to the guy she marries though. I thought women married their BB not their AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 03:22 PM
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Take for an example David Buss' paper on sex differences in mate preferences in 37 cultures. He writes in his conclusion... Second, male and female preference distributions overlap considerably, in spite of mean differences. Third, neither earning potential nor physical appearance emerged as the highest rated or ranked characteristic for either sex, even though these characteristics showed large sex differences. Both sexes ranked the characteristics "kind-understanding" and "intelligent" higher …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 02:28 AM
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True, but interestingly enough, when researchers rely on self reported data, they usually find a gender difference. However, when they look at actual behavior, these gender differences disappear. This would suggest that our behaviors are actually more similar than we believe, not less.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 01:28 AM
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I was using 'you' in the general sense, not you personally. Just mentally replace 'Your' with 'Our' or 'A person's'. The morality inherent in the description of manipulation is predicated on baseless and unfounded rights and duties between strangers that no one can tell me the Genesis of. so what that they "committed an act of manipulation"? I am just arguing language here, not ethics. It seems that in an attempt to avoid the moral implications of a word, RPillers often claim the word itself is …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 01:09 AM
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You mean like what we were discussing in that other thread? Hypergamy=keogamy, or whatever that word was that you used?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 12:47 AM
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The qualify usefulness, you need to first state your desired goal. A fork is useless if you want to empty your swimming pool, but it is not useless if you want to eat spaghetti. My viewpoint is useful in that it helps me understand, empathize, sympathize, and love men. Hopefully, it helps me increase the happiness of the men in my life, because I am better able to recognize and meet their needs. It is useful in that it helps me not hate RPillers and feel threatened by them, like I did when I fir…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 12:35 AM
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Your own moral qualms or lack of qualms about manipulation makes no difference to whether or not manipulation occurred. Deception exists independent of any personal value system. A manipulator may feel no moral obligation to be honest, but this does not change the fact that she or he committed an act of manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/16 12:26 AM
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I'm with you on the biology part. We aren't above animalistic instincts. However, many studies that compare behaviors of men and women find little to no differences. How can we say that men and women are completely different, when there is so much overlap between the two? In addition, the key message that I took from the RP was not that men and women are different, but that they are the same. Men feel insecure, powerless, hurt, and afraid, just like women. Men can be hurt by the people they love…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 11:36 PM
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Yes, there is also the physical meaning of manipulate, like "he manipulated the clay into a figure of a horse", but of course that's not what we are talking about. But anyways, to expand a little further. I would say that psychological manipulation is a subset of influence. So all manipulation is a form of influence, but not all influence is manipulation. Let me clarify this distinction with another example. Say a woman asks a guy to buy her a drink. The assumption is that in exchange for this d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 10:24 PM
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According to that article, it was a 'friend' that she had known for 7 years, had always expressed feelings for her, and according to the woman, would do just about anything for her. Doesn't this sound like a beta orbiter? Also, do you have the original study? All I could find was the article that talked about the study, not the actual study itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 09:06 PM
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What is your definition of manipulation then? Edit: To further expand on my point, it seems that RPillers confuse 'manipulation' with 'influence'. Manipulation is just influence with the added dimension of deception. If you make the two synonymous, you are sacrificing some of the nuance and flexibility of our language. Also, it's not what people think of when they think of manipulation, so you will lose some utility of communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 08:13 PM
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It is not manipulative unless you intend to deceive. Anything else an you are starting to warp the original definition of the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 08:00 PM
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Isn't that just a beta orbiter? How does that relate to AF/BB?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 07:58 PM
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What if people played by two separate games with different sets of rules? In the first game, no one manipulated anyone. In the second game, everyone manipulated everyone. Of course, everyone would want to play the first game, even the people who wanted to be manipulative. But then if enough people did this, if enough people 'cheated', then we would all end up playing the second game anyways. Even though we wanted to play the first. So some people go around acting like rule enforcers, because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 07:54 PM
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Not without stretching the language far beyond it original meaning. In order for something to be manipulative, it needs to be deceitful. It is easy to judge whether or not something is deceitful. All you need to do is state your intentions and actions explicitly to the potentially 'manipulated' person. For an example, I can comfortably tell a guy that I wear make-up. He won't be mad, or even surprised. However, if I use an extremely enhanced profile picture, then he likely would be a little peev…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/16 07:42 PM
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You say he needs to work on his social skills, but what fuck up in social skills would warrent such a rude response? The only thing I can think of is if OP is outright insulting them, which I doubt is the case. That being said, I can't imagine that women telling men to fuck off, or throwing their drink at them is the typical response. /r/insurrecto, are you saying that women can and do treat beta men like shit? (undeniable imo) Or that this is the most common response women have after being appr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 06:36 PM
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I wouldn't say women are repulsed by the idea, but they will draw assumptions about your character. The only benefit to revealing this fact about yourself is that it is very intimate and personal. If the woman already likes you she may feel priviledged that you chose to share this with her. However, I would suggest to take the safe bet and keep this information to yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/16 05:32 PM
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I don't think one man is sufficient. Even if a man has excellent genetics, it would benefit the woman to diversify. Also, just from observation, it appears that women tend towards serial monogamy more so than straight monogamy. I agree with your second point. Men do not only seek youth, but youth plus fertility. Ugly women have physical indicators of low fertility. Is there a word for this?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 11:30 PM
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To play the devil's advocate, the examples ozy listed are either socially inappropriate displays of sexuality (TMI), or directly hurt another party (cheating). Being a slut, given that you don't discuss your adventures at family dinner, does not cross any privacy boundaries, nor does it directly hurt another person. Since it doesn't fit into either of these two categories, it is not a viable candidate for social shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 11:03 PM
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Yeah. In particular, I appreciate your consistency. You apply RP universally and deeply, not just a shallow coat of paint to selectively chosen topics. I actually prefer this to a more moderate version of RP. It seems to me that moderates aren't carrying the logic through to it's fullest extent, so they end up with a world view that doesn't quite make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 10:48 PM
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She was asking what is the mean, as in average, not what does that mean lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 10:38 PM
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I like this better than female-hypgamy/male-polygamy. Both descriptions are part qualitative and part quantitative your way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 10:35 PM
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But the female equivalent of male polygyny is not hypergamy but serial monogamy, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 10:29 PM
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Polygyny refers to the number of desired sexual partners. The female version of this would be serial monogamy, since women prefer one partner at a time. Hypergamy, however, is more descriptive of the characteristics a woman desires in a partner, e.g. either status or superiority, depending on your definition of hypergamy. Thus koreogamy seems a more fitting male equivalent to hypergamy, since it also refers to the characteristics men desire in a mate. In other words, like hypergamy, koreogamy is…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 10:27 PM
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I believe in a lot of TRP's theory because it is intellectually pleasing to me. For instance, I like evolutionary psychology, because it appeals to my scientific materialism. I like viewing humans as just another animal to be studied. I also like that it is such a different perspective from the prominent feminist blank-slate theory. However, applying some of these things has only served to make my relationships and my life worse. RP confirmed a lot of insecurities I had about people and myself, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/16 10:07 PM
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So, basically, you're looking to become a female ally in the MRA movement? That's good, though not something I know a whole lot about. Yes, basically.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 08:35 PM
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Well yes of course, there is no substitute for an intimate, romantic relationship. But when men talk about being disposable, they aren't talking about women not wanting romantic relationships with them. They are talking about society viewing their needs as less important than women and children's. This is what I aim to fix. I can't get men laid or make women attracted to them. But I can help change the way people view men's issues so they are not dismissed or even viewed as a malicious attack on…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 08:07 PM
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To summarize your view, are you saying that the only type of love and support that men value from women is sexual in nature? Any other type of love, maternal, friendship, or familial, will not be satisfactory to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 07:30 PM
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Haha I love that idea! =D
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 06:10 PM
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I have before, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 03:47 AM
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What is unhealthy about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 03:46 AM
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Hello me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 02:58 AM
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I spent a lot of time exploring in the woods behind our house collecting various bugs and occasionally trying to nurse baby birds that had fallen from the nest back to health. I also played capture the flag and kick the can with neighborhood kids. We weren't allowed to watch TV or play video games, so most of my time was spent outside. I was big on animals and had a few pets that I would train and play with too. We had a babysitter would would bring over her Nintendo and we'd watch her play Mari…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/16 02:55 AM
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Ok, thank you. I was worried I broke a rule or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 09:11 PM
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What do you dislike about menslib? The feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 08:44 PM
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Sorry ARS, I've made that mistake before. What were you saying with your post then?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 08:41 PM
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I'm not really sure what you are trying to say with this post RPS. Are you saying I shouldn't try to recruit other women here on PPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 08:09 PM
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Although I love the evo psych aspects of TRP I think you are correct when you say this.. Everything on TRP can be adequately explained by market forces (e.g. women are in higher demand than men, therefore they can get away with behavior that men can't)
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 04:29 PM
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If you are referring to the mission statement on the sidebar, I didn't create the sub and I didn't write that. I am not interested in promoting equality specifically, but only increasing awareness and support for men's issues. For an example, this list was given to me by a founder of a non-profit organization for helping male victims of sexual abuse. Anything and everything that can be done to stress that boys and men experience sexual violence and IPV at staggeringly high rates is important. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 03:40 PM
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Any advice Atlas? Maybe you've tried something similar in the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 03:04 PM
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I don't expect to understand where men are coming from exactly, but I also don't think this is a necessary requirement for women to show some support for men, do you? Women do have something to offer men, I believe. I can talk about these issues to my friends and family. I can talk about them at work. Women are assumed not to be a threat, and we can use this to our advantage. People might think that I have a victim of internalized sexism, but they won't assume I am malicious or trying to oppress…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 04:49 AM
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Why would you want the anger phase taken out? The main problem with non-RP thinking is that it fails to come to conclusions on people's behavior, and is afraid of coming to possibly wrong conclusions. It suggests many many possibilities, and just leaves it as a unknown phase. So even a wrong answer is better than no answer, because it gives men something to work with. Is that what you are saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 12:17 AM
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Do you think TRP currently offers this? Does it give step by step instructions on how men can get laid in a timely manner?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/16 12:16 AM
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This is a little ambitious :) I'm looking for something a little more feasible.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 09:51 PM
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With all the recent doxxing, I understand why you would think this. It's really a shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 09:50 PM
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Are you curious at all about seeing it from their perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 09:49 PM
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Awesome. This makes me so happy :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 09:30 PM
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This is true. But men can adapt to the way females behave. And some methods of adaption are better than others, agreed?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 09:04 PM
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So you think that TRP is already optimized? Would you say that minimizing risk is the most beneficial feature of TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 09:01 PM
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I don't think I understand you. You are saying that females and sex should not be discussed at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 09:00 PM
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I didn't realize you were a man energyvolley. Just curious, what is your motivation in this debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:59 PM
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Hmm I will have to do some research as I am not sure which parts of TRP are PUA specific. Negging perhaps?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:46 PM
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I want to help men, and part of this is figuring out what men want/need. I am not interested in creating a more PC version of TRP. If I were to help make an alternative, it would only be because TRP currently provides insufficient resources or support for men, or fails to meet their needs. I have joined a new subreddit as a mod, /r/SheforHe. I did this because during my time in PPD, I discovered that women were failing men. We are failing to listen. We are failing to love. We are failing to meet…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:43 PM
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Let me summarize what you said so I can be sure I got it right. Pros: Allows men to rant (but prefers this to take place in a separate sub) Practical. Focused on what's best for men, and not society or women. Free of moralizing. Cons: Needs a way to facilitate progress through the various stages (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance) Everything correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/16 08:10 PM
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