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Then why are you dating? And why did you feel the need to include (I will be in the next few years) in your reply?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:53 AM
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Like I said. This is why you are not married to any of those rich, educated men. Did I say anything about who's doing the rejecting?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:45 AM
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And this is why you are not married to any of those rich, educated men. Congratulations. Men lie. What a revelation.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:32 AM
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That's because you are more likely to spend time with people of your education level and social class. Zero inference for why the statistic is the way it is. Classic. I can assure you - no guy who has the means to provide is thinking "I'm marrying this girl because she has a master's degree and can provide an additional $100k in income to the household." This is a fantasy created by feminism. Attraction between men and women is NOT reflexive. What you find attractive in us is NOT what we find at…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 12:25 AM
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Except no guy cares about your education or income. This is the paradox. This is the cardinal sin of feminism. Women assuming men want the same characteristics in them that they want in men. I can assure you - the guy you actually want does not care AT ALL about your income, your education, or any of the metrics that MEN choose to build to get ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/24 09:42 PM
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If you don’t love the baby, why do you care if it dies? If you don’t love your husband, why would you go out of your way to not be a disagreeable bitch all the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:45 PM
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Yes, wives should do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 05:43 PM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 02:22 AM
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People don’t love their dogs?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 01:21 AM
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Love and servitude go hand in hand. If loving didn’t equate to servitude, no one would take care of their babies. Transactionally, babies offer you nothing in exchange for your servitude. You do it because you love the baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 12:40 AM
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Who said I’m not giving her love and respect?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 12:35 AM
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If you don’t submit at all to anything he wants or does, then you don’t love him and are a disagreeable bitch by definition…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 09:14 PM
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Sure, her working or wanting to work is not mutually exclusive to being the traditional housewife you described.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 04:49 PM
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I’m one of the guys with enough money to not give a fuck, I guess. I want EXACTLY what you described a traditional woman as. Most guys I know in my circle (who also make enough money to not give a shit) want the same thing. I would venture to say most guys do want a traditional woman, they just don’t have the resources. I’ll explain why. It’s not about taking care of the house or wanting a “mommy.” I can hire people for that. It’s about having someone that respects you and submits to you because…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 04:40 PM
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In every relationship I’ve been in, I did the dumping. I’m sure I broke a few hearts, especially in my early years. Back then, I actually just preferred being alone, so even a minor annoyance or incompatibility was reason to dump their ass. I do think girls take it harder, but that’s mainly because they are seeking commitment while we are seeking sex in the initial stages of the relationship. Getting pumped and dumped probably does feel awful, and there’s no equivalent for guys. However, in a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/24 04:22 PM
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This isn’t anything new. It’s been talked about over and over again. As a woman, it is on you to ruthlessly prioritize finding the right guy in your 20s, when you have the most options available to you. If you’re 30 and single, regardless of how you got there, you lost the game. You will have to settle for a consolation prize, not your dream guy. Your best bet at that point is to just accept that reality, or get a cat or two…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 02:36 AM
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Exactly. Ultimatums like that are the quickest way to permanently fuck up the relationship. As a guy, you’re cornered. If you give in to her, she will never respect you again. If you don’t, the relationship is over anyways. Fucked either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 02:31 AM
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The lack of self awareness is off the charts. I’m floored. Look at you. You have constructed the world in your head with such a “us vs them” mentality when it comes to relationships between men and women that you couldn’t even understand what I meant when I said “winning the game” I’m not talking about winning in the relationship. I’m talking about winning in life. Contrary to your belief, men don’t want to compete with women. We don’t want to be in a relationship with the enemy. We don’t care w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 02:26 AM
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Actually, that’s not how I view it. That’s how you view it. You’ve constructed this idea in your ahead that relationships need to be about “equality” and then defined what “equality” means. I don’t care about any of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 04:00 PM
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You’re here arguing how women are not treated “equal” and I’m here arguing that the world works the way it works. The game is the game. It’s your responsibility to win. There’s a very big difference in those two mindsets.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 01:18 PM
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I’m not complaining about anything. That’s you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 01:14 PM
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Again, you continue to be inflamed and hate how the world works, and even put yourself down “I’m way too plain looking”, but who’s winning? The winners are living their lives, and you are here complaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 12:38 PM
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Great, when your worldview is challenged and you have the chance to introspect and understand what you’ve been doing wrong - “You’re just making things up.” You will never grow.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 10:22 AM
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I already explained it to you very clearly. Read my first response.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 08:56 AM
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You’re winning? The one that has to come to Reddit to complain about how the world is unfair and that women are considered inferior to men and not their “equals”? These “unequal” women are living their lives, loving their husbands, spending time with their children, and don’t give a crap about any of this. You can continue to believe you’re winning. lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 08:51 AM
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It still answers your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 08:46 AM
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Whoosh. You missed the entire point. You think your process is filtering for empathy, but it’s not. You’re subconsciously filtering for the exact “masculinity” that you think is so off putting. You can see it quite clearly by looking at how successful your process has been.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/24 12:44 AM
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Of course there is, what a dumb question. You think ultra conservative religious women are wearing revealing clothes? Or are secretly promiscuous?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 11:41 PM
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I hope you can see how your inferiority complex and unfettered hatred of your (mis)interpretation of religion is negatively affecting your life. Like I said in my other reply, you can scream at the top of your lungs, all you want, that women who “support” men are not “equal”. But who’s winning? You, or the wife who lives her life with the man she loves, supports him, and receives his generous resources and provisioning? I know women who are in these partnerships. They have some of the most pleas…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 11:35 PM
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Lmao. What you’re actually filtering for when you do that is “is this guy suave enough to tell me what I want to hear, even if he doesn’t give a fuck”, not emotional intelligence or empathy. Emotional intelligence isn’t even real. There are no definitive studies that conclude emotional intelligence exists, unlike IQ (intellectual quotient). The closest “real” thing to emotional intelligence is narcissism or manipulative ability. These things you are so proudly filtering for are just personality …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 08:42 PM
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It’s great. I’m all for it. I’ll never have to deal with them. These women will go extinct and their bloodline will end with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 08:33 PM
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Sorry you haven’t been with a real traditional man then, I guess. The traditional men I know make tons of money, live in a beautiful house, and their wife never even has to think about working a shitty job. The wife has access to all the money, tons of free time during the day to go shopping, engage in hobbies, and relax. And yes, those women love their lives, love their husband, and feel great about their “submissive” support role. They live the most carefree, joyous lives on earth, all because…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 07:20 PM
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One partner being dominant and one partner being the support role does not mean they are both not equally valuable. This is where you falter, and this is where your worldview is misguided. As a man in the dominant role of a relationship, if a burglar breaks into our house, I’d die to protect my partner. Why? Because I see her as an equal. My role and her role are just different. The most beautiful relationships are the ones where both people understand and live out their roles, not fight each ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 06:28 PM
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Both work full time because they have to. Because the man doesnt make enough money to provide for both them. Lmao. If a man was rich and had the means, it’s clear what men prefer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 05:04 PM
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You must be poor as fuck if you’re willing to cook, clean do chores around the house for the rest of your life for an extra 100k. Actual libtard in the flesh. He thinks guys that make big money and have submissive wives are simps. LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 04:58 PM
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Nope. Society wise.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 04:53 PM
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Ok, let’s say almost every night. Same deal. Of course if she’s sick or something, then she’s not going to want to. Duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 12:34 PM
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I’m not sad? There are plenty of women who want to be traditional housewives. I just found it interesting how much women have genuine HATRED for these women and relationships and call them ‘bang maids’.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 12:30 PM
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I don’t know what you’re getting at, but the ultra rich people I know chose option 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 02:03 AM
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Actually, he is. I tallied the results. Vast majority of replies chose option 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 01:37 AM
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Are you stupid? What does 50/50 on household duties mean to you? You want to help her out with that shit when you get back from your job, just so she can make money you don’t even need? Mega simp. This dumbass thinks cooking and cleaning and doing chores around the house just so the wife makes an irrelevant amount of money is less simpery. Holy fuck. How can people be this dumb?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 01:24 AM
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lmfao, this guy thinks the only thing that matters is money. I can tell you haven’t been in a demanding, high stress profession and made REAL money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 01:12 AM
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Turns out that yes, most men want bang maids if they had the money for them. Not surprising. Who the fuck wants to come home to a wife bitching about her job that she’s shit at and only does because she wants to feel important? Especially when you are making a million bucks a year and actually elite in your field. Also turns out that women HATE that men want bang maids.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 12:59 AM
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How is is simpery? Are you out of your mind? He makes enough money to not care about how much she makes. He’d rather have his kids better taken care of and get sex from her whenever he wants it. Simpery would be wanting her to work and sharing the household duties with her 50/50, and getting less sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 12:53 AM
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more energy to. it's a relationship bro. she likes you. she wants to have sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 10:47 PM
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ok, my statement still stands. Thank goodness women are not in charge of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 07:50 PM
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Ok, but she still needs to do all of that while ALSO having a rigid work schedule from her job in option 2.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 07:41 PM
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That’s not part of the options
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 07:40 PM
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You said “I feel” when making that statement and provided no facts. How else is anyone able to interpret that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 07:40 PM
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What facts? There is no definitive proof the world will end earlier 60 years from now. That’s a ridiculous claim to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 06:47 PM
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so you would rather guarantee the end of human civilization because you ‘feel’ it will end anyways? Thank goodness women are not in charge.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 06:39 PM
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the world would end in about 60 years. That’s your dream?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 06:34 PM
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You are misinterpreting statistics. Just because the divorce rate is lower above 30 does not mean: Those relationships were not formed in the persons 20s People in their 30s are in happy, long lasting relationships. 50% of women over 30 are expected to be single and childless by 2030. No shit the divorce rate will be lower above the age of 30. There is no one to divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 05:58 PM
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Almost every man. It is the truth. If you want, you can continue to live in your own ignorant bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 05:47 PM
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Agreed, sounds like hell
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 05:36 PM
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That’s a vicious personal attack bro. You good?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 05:35 PM
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How many of those over 30 relationships last? The game is the game. As a woman, you’ve got one good shot in your 20s. By the time you are in your mid 30s, it’s over.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 05:33 PM
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Those women that divorce lost the game. It’s a tough game.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 05:06 PM
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It is to function in normal society. You want every man to become a monk?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 05:06 PM
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It is to almost every man. I can assure you I am not alone in this thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 04:43 PM
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Bay Area has some of the ugliest women in the country. lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 03:15 PM
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A demanding job in a HCOL area is the premise of the question. You need a full staff to absolve you of all home making duties. A nanny won’t suffice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 03:09 PM
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What main flaw? $1M pre-tax income is not enough money in a high cost of living area in the US to hire a full time nanny, chef, and personal assistant. You are not living that lifestyle with $1M in the Bay Area for example, where the average home costs atleast $2.5M.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 03:05 PM
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Ok but where is Joes Nanny Services earning its income from? You can’t be a business that earns no income and has only a $150k expense. Even if you can, what tax benefit does it get you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 03:00 PM
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Here. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/41408/are-single-women-actually-happier-study-misinterprets-data-researchers-say The study that concluded single women are happier was actually misinterpreted. Anyone that claims single women are just as happy or happier than married women are basing their world view off a mistake, which was admitted by the person who did the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:55 PM
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Bro, do you know anything about taxes? You can’t just set up an LLC and call “raising your family” a business. If you could do that, everyone would be deducting the cost of their life from their taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:50 PM
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The tax scheme you described is illegal. You can’t filter a SALARY income through a corporate entity, call it business income, and deduct the nanny’s income as an expense. Lmao. Rich people don’t do that bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:39 PM
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You can hire out the home making duties? On a $250k combined income, you can get a cleaner to clean the house once a week. That’s about it. There’s no way you hire out everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:29 PM
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Ok, but if your children weren’t school age, what would be easier? Working your 40 hour per week job on top of taking care of the children, or just taking care of the children?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:21 PM
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“Bangmaid” is a term used by many women to describe exactly that. Why is it offensive to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:20 PM
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That’s not how taxes work bro. You can’t claim the nanny’s salary as a deduction on your taxes. Raising a family is not a business. Your wife earns $250k. She gets taxed personally, leaving $150k take home income. You pay the nanny $150k. The nanny gets taxed personally and keeps whatever she takes home. Also you have to the pay the nanny’s benefits and health insurance. Trust me, $150k is very reasonable for a full time nanny.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:15 PM
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500k is not enough. In certain parts of California, an average single family house costs $2.5M or more. The lifestyle you are describing is not possible with 500k income. 60 hours per week is plenty of time to enjoy the fruits of your labor. It’s only 20 hours more than a standard workweek. You go to work early and come home a couple of hours later than most people. Weekends are still free.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:12 PM
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Who said there is little interaction with the kids? Who says there is an expectation of daily sex? Why can’t she do it out of her own will to keep her partner happy? Again, you are incredibly sexist and prejudiced to assume these women don’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:11 PM
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Not sex on demand, once a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:09 PM
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I agree it’s a messed up term, but it’s what is used on social media. I completely agree being a traditional housewife is a lot of work and should be respected.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:02 PM
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Bro, you have to pay the nanny $150k. The $250k salary your partner makes is $150k after tax. You don’t get to deduct nanny expenses on your taxes lmao. This ain’t a business. It’s a family.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:00 PM
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A wife who is happy to do it is what I am describing. No one is holding a woman against their will here. You seem to be really offended by the fact that many woman ARE happy being a “bang maid”.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:54 PM
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The options become meaningless if you can just create your own. Also bangmaid is a term used by women to shame traditional housewives. I didn’t make it up. It’s a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:51 PM
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Is she approving? You have to sell your house, take your kids out of private school, and cut back on vacations, while she gets to work an additional 40 hours a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:45 PM
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It’s not unrealistic. Demanding jobs exist, and the vast majority of high paying jobs are demanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:38 PM
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No that’s not my point at all. You are so sexist it is unreal. Your prejudice is off the charts. I literally stated 99% of men care about their family.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:37 PM
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I was referring specifically to the scenario I described in my post. Not generalizing all jobs that men have ever had….
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:35 PM
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Ok, there’s always exceptions to the rule. There are also gold diggers who don’t give a fuck about family and want money after a divorce. Bad people exist. That’s not the point. 99% of men in the scenario I described care about their family. If they didn’t, and had $1M in income to spend, why wouldn’t they just be single and fuck unlimited, ultra hot prostitutes and sugar babies all day long?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:33 PM
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No, I said the opposite, No man is thinking like you describe, where he sees his wife as a bang maid only, and doesn’t give a fuck about his family. The fact you assume that shows your prejudice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:26 PM
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In practice, both situations are the essentially the same. No husband is actually thinking like you describe. That’s just you labeling men a certain way and making assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:23 PM
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The 2 situations you described are practically the same. One just has an offensive label on it, used mostly by women. Also, the guy isn’t sitting on his ass. He works a demanding 60 hour per week job to make the money. He’s not in some low stress administrative role where he’s not doing any real work. It’s hilarious the double standards women have around this. Most of them have never known what a truly intense job looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:16 PM
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That’s not how demanding, high paying professional jobs work. You can’t just cut back the hours, and take less pay. A job that pays $500k would also be 60 hours per week. It doesn’t scale based on hours worked, it scales by competence. He can get $250k 9-5 job just like his wife, but now the household income is $500k and both people are working 40 hours instead of one working 60 hours. Who is taking that scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:13 PM
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ok, but in option 2, you both deal with all those same issues, and your partner has the rigid work schedule of the job ON TOP. That means it’s harder for her to accommodate sex. That is a reasonable take.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 12:46 PM
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Where do you live? 16 yo is legal? Wtf?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 12:41 PM
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Taking care of the kids takes an hour a day?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 12:38 PM
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Ok, so you hired a bunch of people to fill in the role of the wife in option 1. Do you have kids at home? How does that work?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 12:33 PM
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Missed the point entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 12:26 PM
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Why would they put down other women? That’s fucked up
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 12:19 PM
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What? Many butlers are also the house chef. Still need a personal driver to pick up kids from school, send them to soccer practice, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 12:18 PM
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She would be responsible for cooking meals and doing the household shopping. Both of those tasks require a butler and a personal driver to fulfill.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 12:07 PM
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How does them picking either option and explaining why make them look bad? That’s so judgmental. Apparently guys sharing what they want makes them look bad. So we should just lie all the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 12:04 PM
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$1M is not full time nanny, butler, and personal driver money.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 12:00 PM
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Still, she has more flexibility in her schedule, which allows her to accommodate the sex easier. In option 2, she has a rigid work schedule from her job, AND still has to do 50% of all the work you just described.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:59 AM
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It’s a term in social media mostly used by women to described an “opressed” traditional housewife.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:46 AM
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You are still working 60 hours with option 2….
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:44 AM
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Who said someone that picks option 1 will do the bare minimum? You are making assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:35 AM
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in a joint household earning 1.25M? It would be around 100k which means you have 150k left over, the cost of the nanny.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:33 AM
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As a stay at home mom, she doesn’t have to get up early at 6AM to get ready for work.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:32 AM
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Correct, bangmaid is a social media term mostly used by women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:30 AM
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Ok, so you can just pick option 1. I’m just letting you know that in option 2, every woman would demand 50/50 splitting of housework. They don’t see it as a money only thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:29 AM
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Correct, option 1 doesn’t mean she doesn’t get her own car or spending money. The finances in either option are pooled together and split equally.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:27 AM
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Bangmaid is a term used by social media, often by women. I agree a traditional housewife is an important role that I respect and value a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:25 AM
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Sounds awesome bro!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:24 AM
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It’s a term on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:24 AM
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Yeah she contributes $250k additional income to the household. That’s the benefit for option 2
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:23 AM
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That’s how this thread works. If everyone just makes up their option, then whats the point of the provided options?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:22 AM
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Because the career wife has to wake up early to get ready and go to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:20 AM
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1 million in a high cost of living area in the US like New York or California is not enough money to hire a bunch of nannies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:18 AM
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LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:17 AM
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That’s not true. $1 million is a lot of money, but it is not butler money lol. In a nice part of California, $1 million is a very cushy upper middle class lifestyle, it it’s not butler and personal driver type money.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:15 AM
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Partnerships don’t necessarily mean everyone has to do everything 50/50. Partnerships can also mean that one person focuses on what they are at best, and the other person focuses on what they are at best, and together, they tackle everything. I.e. one person goes all in on career, the other person goes all in on home making.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:14 AM
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You can have a relationship as much as you want with your kids with option 1…. it’s up to you. I don’t get what you are trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:10 AM
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That doesn’t make any sense. How does her working allow the man to cut back his hours? His job doesn’t get magically get easier. That’s not realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 11:09 AM
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You can hire a maid to clean once a week, but not a full time one. That just changes the options too much. So your wife still has to take care of the kids and the house.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:42 AM
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So basically the original option 2. Both of you split the work 50/50. The maid just cleans the house every 2 weeks.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:31 AM
2

Holy shit. How expensive is college really these days??? You do know that setting aside $5,000 a month into a college investment fund leaves you with around $4M at the end of 18 years, right? Is $4M not enough for college?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:28 AM
-3

Not an option but let’s entertain it. Hiring a full time nanny/maid costs $150k a year. After taxes, the additional $250k of income gets wiped out entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:26 AM
2

huh? elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:20 AM
2

You’re the one that said it wasn’t enough. I thought you would know!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:12 AM
-3

With option 2, you have to contribute equally to household duties. You can’t just play with the kids and help them with homework. Please read the options again.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:10 AM
-7

Bang maid was a term made up in social media, it’s a real thing. I agree it’s vulgar as heck.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:07 AM
-9

You can still play with your daughter with Option 1. You can cook if you want to. But you don’t have to do any of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:05 AM
-2

Not true. And even if you don’t believe it, you can assume the 2nd option is in good faith. It truly is 50/50, as described.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:04 AM
3

The most expensive area in the country is the Bay Area. $2.5M for a single family house, approx $20k mortgage. $30k a month isn’t enough for private school and a college fund?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 02:01 AM
-1

I thought women wanted to be independent and focus on their careers though?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:55 AM
5

But she’s working a full time job just like you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:53 AM
4

Pretty sure $1M a year covers all that lol. Do you know how much $1M a year is, after taxes? 50k a month. You have 18 years to sock away some of that for the kid’s college.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:50 AM
8

The single income is $1M a year. Holy shit. How expensive are colleges these days?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:44 AM
-4

Hell yeah!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:41 AM
1

Why Russian? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:40 AM
0

They are, otherwise there is too much variance.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:36 AM
1

The studies are not hard to find. Widowed men and women are not counted. Both divorced men and women are. The studies are clear in their conclusion. You seem to be approaching this from a very biased perspective with no basis for your reasoning. Why would women specifically be so much better off living an intentionally single life? The studies do not suggest this at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:34 AM
1

I’ll take the sex with the hot bimbo. What kind of stupid question is this?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 01:11 AM
1

Those studies don’t exist. Too specific. It does. Men do not have leverage to opt out of relationships. I did not say anything about women having leverage that men did not. It is less culturally taboo in Japan and it is much more accessible. Sex is not the only reason to enter relationships, but it is the reason that men enter relationships with women that don’t meet their standards. If men had easier access to sex, they would not enter relationships that did not meet their standards. Bottom tie…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 12:07 AM
1

Bottom tier men still have standards higher than bottom tier women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 11:07 PM
1

How does that prove a healthy relationship is not contingent on a transaction? Proving the converse does not prove the original statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 11:06 PM
1

Again, men like relationships with women who meet their standards. They will have sex with women who don’t, because they are desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 11:05 PM
1

They do like relationships. But only relationships with women who meet their standards. Not bottom tier women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 11:04 PM
1

No, men like sex. Which they can get with prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:59 PM
1

No, it usually doesn’t. Most men that use prostitutes are already in a relationship. And according to you, Kobe Bryant was a loser that no one wanted. Hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:59 PM
1

No, the bottom tier men would just opt out of relationships and get their sex through prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:57 PM
1

Again, using prostitutes does not imply that is a man’s only option. Why is it so hard to believe men use prostitutes because it gives them something they can’t get out of a normal relationship? Many athletes, actors, and successful, wealthy men use prostitutes. They don’t need to, but they do. Are they losers?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:56 PM
1

Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:54 PM
2

Why are they incomparable? Both provide sexual gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:45 PM
1

That does not indicate that it is NOT the case. Men don’t have the leverage to opt out of relationships. In Japan, sex work and prostitution is still more culturally accepted than in America. Japanese men have the option to opt out of relationships and get their sex this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:44 PM
4

they can survive, but they don’t function in normal society. That’s a trade off they willingly make.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:34 PM
1

Why is it always 'had to resort to'. Is it that hard to understand that prostitution is desirable to men even if they can be in relationship? Many athletes, actors, and successful, wealthy people engage in prostitution. None of them had to "resort to it".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:13 PM
1

there's another study that you can find in the threads that concludes prostitution is a substitute for marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:10 PM
1

right, or monks. another extreme minority. he overcame his biology, but at the cost of giving up everything else. that's literally what monks do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:09 PM
1

I've linked research and surveys done on this. You can find them elsewhere in the thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:15 PM
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Not true. There are empirical studies that show single women also have serious issues with happiness and life expectancy. Men do have it worse, but women have it really bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:12 PM
1

ok, but that still doesn't change the results of the studies on this. they are clear. unmarried, single women fare worse later in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:59 PM
1

you mean options? yeah, that's the point of my post. culturally accepted prostitution gives men another option.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:53 PM
1

Nope, there's no reason that the truth has to come out. And who's to say a guy only uses prostitutes because he can't be successful otherwise. Men love sex. Men love having sex with a variety of extremely hot women. They can get it with zero effort by paying. More men than you think engage in this behavior on business trips and time away.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:52 PM
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You are missing the point entirely. The bottom tier girls who get attention today because men are desperate for sex would no longer get any attention. Those girls would have to improve in order to get a relationship. How is that not clear?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:50 PM
1

I don't follow. How does being desirable make you think being alone can be better for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:49 PM
1

Why does a man need to let a woman know they use prostitutes?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:48 PM
1

> but I think it's always better than being alone. That is where you and I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:45 PM
1

But what if the end goal is not to be desirable? Now I have an option to opt out altogether, which I did not before. This creates leverage for men on an aggregate level. below average women no longer get any attention, and have to put in more effort to attract someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:43 PM
1

Not true. Many athletes, actors, and successful, wealthy men use prostitutes. They are desirable. There is proof of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:40 PM
1

Sure, I never said that women don't have the same leverage to opt out of relationships, it's just that men do too, which is not the case in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:39 PM
1

they were either eunuchs, asexual, or lived a oppressed life. A very small minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:38 PM
1

Having an alternative is always leverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:37 PM
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You think being in a relationship is the end-all be-all and that increasing standards means that it hurts a man's chances to be in one, so that's worse. But that's not the case. Men can opt out of a relationship with the alternative. That's better for them than settling for a relationship that doesn't meet their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 08:36 PM
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She asked what the game was, I described it to her. If women don't want to play, they can choose not to play. But I don't think it works out for them later in life. The research on this is clear. Single people, of both genders, are less happy and less healthy, and more likely to die early, than those in a relationship with a family. The game is still the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 07:51 PM
1

1% is a gross exaggeration. I think you are just too black pilled my dude. It's not that bad. But yes, I generally agree that it doesn't necessarily improve men's chances of getting in a relationship - it just gives them an alternative. The major difference is bottom tier girls would become invisible, just like bottom tier men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 07:49 PM
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I have no trouble getting a relationship. Prostitution is not the "only successful route" for me. Why does everyone believe this fallacy? You don't understand how men are wired, which is why you're making these assumptions about my childhood and how I am unable to have a relationship, lol. Men's desire for sex can exist outside of the relationship. It is perfectly possible for man to want to go on a 1 month fuckfest vacation where he can have sex with unlimited incredibly hot women whenever he w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 07:45 PM
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Yeah, there would be increase in men opting out of relationships altogether. Like in Japan or South Korea. Women may not lower their standards, but they will put in more effort to meet the higher standards of men. You will stop seeing men settling for subpar chicks. That's the whole argument in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 07:19 PM
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That's not the point. It's not about women lowering their standards, it's about men increasing theirs, because they are not desperate for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 07:08 PM
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No, the game is the game. The right way to play it if you are a woman is to prioritize finding the right partner in your early 20s when you have the most options and get him to commit. If for some reason, you are unable to accomplish this, and you are a single mother or child free woman in your 30s that no longer wants kids, you failed and lost the game. Sorry. Men have an equally difficult game they need to play, and they also fail often. So don’t feel too bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 07:02 PM
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as a woman, you can’t comment on this. It’s not a belief. It’s biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 06:58 PM
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No, I don’t think women are bothered. I don’t care if they are. The important thing is I no longer have to be bothered by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 06:48 PM
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Those same problems exist in America, though. Let’s isolate the variables. One being the cultural acceptance of and availability of sex for men who don’t want relationships. That’s the point of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 06:19 PM
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No, I can get girls just fine in America. I just can’t sleep with a different super hot model looking girl every day with no effort. That’s why I paid for it in Asia. It’s my vacation and my money. I do as I please. And yes, having this option absolutely gives me the leverage to not care about average or below average looking women like you. You don’t exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 06:13 PM
1

A study of teen girls is not cited, empirical evidence. Lazy work. Done responding to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 06:09 PM
1

It’s more fun with a variety of people. That was the best part of me. Someone different everyday. But I agree with your last sentence. Hell yeah!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:58 PM
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Both women and men will be less needed. Population decline as a whole. In fact, one could make the argument that with sufficient advances - artificial wombs, AI sex bots, women will be even less needed. What do they bring to the table with all of the above and sufficient automation? At that point, it’s pure competition. Survival of the fittest. Guess which gender wins?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:40 PM
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Prostitution to the rescue.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:37 PM
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You conveniently ignored that the evidence also states more women want to get married than men in Japan. Prostitution is a sexual substitute for marriage. https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h01864/#:~:text=Looking%20at%20people%20in%20their,continuing%20trend%20for%20both%20genders. Unless you change your condescending tone and provide me with evidence that contradicts my claims, this is my last response to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:24 PM
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They can if they want. Although it would be harder for them, just like today it is harder for a onlyfans/porn actress to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:15 PM
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No, that’s not it. Men are choosing to opt out entirely because they have another option for sex. It is not the same as women feeling like their attention is being stolen by prostitutes. But sure, there are indirect ties.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:13 PM
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It’s true though. The evidence is clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:10 PM
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My claims are true. I just provided you with evidence. The fact that you continue to speak in absolutes tells me everything I need to know about whether it’s worth my time debating you. Provide to me evidence that my claims are NOT true.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:04 PM
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Yes, there is. There is a study linked by another commenter that concludes prostitution is a substitute for marriage. You should stop speaking in absolutes if you don’t know what you are talking about. Also, I haven’t seen you produce any evidence that contradicts my claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:55 PM
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You paint a very one sided view here. Yes, there are women opting out of dating in Japan, but there are still more women that want a relationship than men in Japan. Here are the stats: https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h01864/#:~:text=Looking%20at%20people%20in%20their,continuing%20trend%20for%20both%20genders. So, no, women don’t have the same leverage they do in American society. Men have an option to just not engage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:51 PM
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Here. https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h01864/#:~:text=Looking%20at%20people%20in%20their,continuing%20trend%20for%20both%20genders. Higher percentage of women want to get married compared to men, but both are significantly lower than America. Especially the percentage of men. Why? Because men have the option to opt out and get their sexual needs fulfilled in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:45 PM
2

It was crazy fun. You should try it!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:28 PM
1

Men do crave desire, but having sex with a prostitute and getting that touch and physical experience is a genuine substitute for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:26 PM
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Because it’s widely available and out in the open. Japan is a society where women are independent, yet put more effort and importance into attracting men and entering a relationship than America. Japanese men’s access to sex and the lack of cultural stigma around choosing not to engage in relationships that don’t need their standards hold part of the explanatory power for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:24 PM
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Legality =/= cultural acceptance. How many times do I have to say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:04 PM
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You are missing the point. It’s not that Japanese women care about competing with prostitution. It’s that men have an alternative that allows them to no longer lower their standards, so women have to put in more effort to meet those standards. And they do. Bottom tier girls in Japan are invisible, unlike in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 02:02 PM
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They are herbivore men by choice. That’s the difference. The bottom tier girls in Japan are invisible because men have the choice to get their sex in other ways, if they want. Some don’t. Here are some stats on this: https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h01864/#:~:text=Looking%20at%20people%20in%20their,continuing%20trend%20for%20both%20genders. MORE women want relationships than men in Japan.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:59 PM
1

Not true. Again, another baseless claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:55 PM
1

It’s much more accessible abroad with less stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:53 PM
1

That’s not true. Suicide rates are going down in Japan and going up in America. You are ill informed. Don’t argue if you don’t have recent and relevant facts to back your claims.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:52 PM
1

ok, that’s your baseless opinion. lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:50 PM
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They are not doing it because they are jealous of men using prostitutes. They are doing it because men will just ignore them because they have an alternative. Not the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:49 PM
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I mean the cost of living good in NYC is like $5000 per month. For $7000, I stayed in nice 5 star hotels, ate delicious food, and had wild sex with super hot women daily and lived out endless sexual fantasies. Pretty good if you ask me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 01:05 PM
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What does being in the top 0.0000 what ever of men have to do with anything. All I’m saying is that when I realized I could get what I wanted any time with someone way hotter, that average looking chick gave it up real quick. She was a mediocre fuck compared to the fun I had in Asia, but it was surprising how easy it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:16 PM
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You are missing the point. It’s not about jealousy. It’s about men having an alternative that allows them to not participate if their standards are not met. You are right most people want relationships for reasons other than just sex, but in America, men are willing to lower their standards to nothing and enter a relationship they don’t want because they are so desperate for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:13 PM
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Yeah touch deprivation is a big part of it. You only have to look at porn and only fans . These are poor substitutes (no actual touching) yet men consume this content regularly and pay for it. That’s how important sex is to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:11 PM
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It’s not a tradcon wet dream. Only difference is men have an alternative to sex, which makes bottom tier girls in Japan invisible and causes their women in general to put in more effort. In America, even bottom tier girls think they deserve something, because men are desperate for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 11:39 AM
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no, if it was in a marriage with children raising a family, I would not leave my wife if she got old or ugly or sick. If she got fat, then that is something she should be putting in effort to correct. As long as she is having sex with me regularly, I would not see prostitutes. If you are in a relationship with a man, just because the man has the desire to sleep with a 10/10 supermodel, it does not mean he doesn’t see you as a partner. Men can want to have sex with super hot women and still see y…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 11:27 AM
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How are they an object to control? They are a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 11:12 AM
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How do you know what American taste is? I just said, as an American man, they cater to my taste better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 11:12 AM
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I’m an American man though.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 11:05 AM
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What about family and child bearing? As if that’s not a goal for many men and women. There are lots of reasons to be in a relationship other than monogamous sex and love. Look at China. Many relationships exist for convenience, not love.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 11:00 AM
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Then them being themselves just naturally lends itself more to what men want, I guess. They are more attractive, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:55 AM
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That contradicts my experience. I thought the average German chick was way hotter. Do you live in LA or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:54 AM
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so why can’t a girl who is getting paid after sex not enjoy it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:48 AM
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Because I have the power to do what I want. Just because it’s due to my wallet doesn’t mean it doesn’t give me confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:45 AM
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Never said you should be with a girl or guy that openly sleeps around, that’s stupid. I would never be in a relationship with girl who is fucking other men. Merely saying that men having the alternative to not engage in the relationship in the first place or leave it because sex is more accessible to them gives them more power.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:41 AM
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Assertiveness, disagreeableness when necessary, stoicism, generosity. To start.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:39 AM
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That does not mean I thought they were into me. I don’t derive confidence from knowing they were into me. I derive confidence from knowing I have the ability to have sex with super hot women whenever I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:37 AM
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I recognize it too. The only difference might be that I don’t think one is strictly better than the other. Often times a super hot sex worker who knows what they are doing is better than being with someone who’s into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:36 AM
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I’m a Chad then I guess. lol. I don’t tolerate a dead relationship. As soon as I realize it isn’t working, I pull the plug. Plenty of fish in the sea. There is some truth to what you are saying. Some girls to get obsessive afterwards. Not my problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:22 AM
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I do. Having an alternative that lets you exit the negotiation is leverage. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:15 AM
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I turn down many women too. I have standards. But I still need to get sex from somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:14 AM
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European women putting more effort in, is that a better statement then?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:12 AM
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Again, I can bring home girls just fine. I was just surprised how easy it was for me this time around. That’s all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:11 AM
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Personal attacks…how are mods letting this through lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:10 AM
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What does this have to do with the debate? Resorting to personal attacks again…l
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:10 AM
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If your FWB bought you a nice gift after sex, would the sex no longer be enjoyable?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:09 AM
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Because you made the decision, even if you did not have total agency over it. As a man, I’m responsible for many things that happen in my life that I have no control over. What kind of logic is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:08 AM
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The proposition is something men can face today by traveling abroad and spending a few hundred dollars.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:06 AM
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German women on average were not more attractive and did not put more effort into their appearance? Is that what you are saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:05 AM
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Again, it’s not that these societies have people openly claiming they do it and bragging about it. It’s the accessibility of it due to lack of cultural stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:03 AM
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This is not true. It may be for you, but not for the majority of guys. I’ve had both. Sex with an extremely hot prostitute who is good at what she does is often times more pleasurable than with an average girl who wants you. Porn is a crappy substitute, but almost every guy in the world watches it. Why is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 10:00 AM
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Because they are humans who need affection and stability in life. If being a single woman makes it impossible for you live a decent life, you would try to get the relationship anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:58 AM
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I’m not sure I’m understanding. Can you use coherent sentences?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:56 AM
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Oh, it happened. And it was hella fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:55 AM
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Then you should respect me too. I hold the exact same views as this guy, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:54 AM
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Never said they were into me. Stop misquoting me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:53 AM
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I never said they actually like me. I hold the same views as you. They are a way for me to fulfill my carnal pleasures. But they do make it so men are no longer desperate for any sex. And I can get civvies just fine, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:52 AM
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Paying for sex with an ultra hot prostitute who knows how to have sex and can put on a good act is infinitely more pleasurable than regular sex with an average girl. I have done both. It’s incorrect to look at this as “we don’t have a better alternative, so we’ll take the paid option.”
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:50 AM
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Yes, because Japanese men have the alternative to not put up with those Japanese women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:46 AM
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same thing going on in America. Are American men not ready for relationships? Do you think if women don’t want to date men then the men are not ready for a relationship? That’s how you define readiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:44 AM
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It’s not the same. European women still hold themselves to traditionally feminine behaviors and appearance. American women put in no effort at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:42 AM
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It’s more nuanced than that. Feeling wanted is really about power and worth. When you can pay a girl money to do whatever you want, just like how a girl can sleep with whatever hot guy she wants, that’s power. So yes, it’s a genuine alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:36 AM
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No, that’s not it. I went to Asia to bang hookers because it was fun. I loved the variety. The rest was a side effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:33 AM
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lol, empirical evidence contradicts this. a rich, successful workaholic is extremely desirable to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:29 AM
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It’s not the same dude
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:27 AM
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No, you’re not supposed to be jealous of them. You can even laugh at me all you want. I don’t care. I can have sex with women who are infinitely hotter than you whenever I want. I no longer have to give a crap about women like you. That’s my leverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:25 AM
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This is all true, but my point still stands. Men in East Asian countries have an alternative. The bottom tier women in Japanese societies don’t exist because of this, whereas that is not the case in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:22 AM
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wow, you didn’t understand anything I’ve been saying this entire time, did you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 09:18 AM
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Constant anxiety is not the goal. That’s horrible for both people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:52 AM
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I’ve been with both. You’d be surprised how good some prostitutes are…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:48 AM
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Why does if matter if I am one of them? How is that relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:47 AM
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That’s what men will say because it’s socially acceptable. You can keep living in your narrow world view.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:44 AM
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lol, ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:41 AM
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In America, women have the leverage, men don’t. In Japan, both men and women do. That’s the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:40 AM
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You are miss in the point of what I am saying. The threat to sleep with prostitutes doesn’t give you leverage in a committed relationship. But the ability to does give men leverage in general when it comes to entering relationships, because they have an alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:38 AM
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Good for them, they got the commitment and kids and therefore have the leverage to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:36 AM
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I’m not just talking about existing relationships. And also, you would be surprised how many still do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:34 AM
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Again, it doesn’t matter if she’s into me. My carnal pleasures are still satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:24 AM
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How is this relevant to the discussion?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:23 AM
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I do have leverage though. The leverage to not even engage with the attitude of judgemental women like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:21 AM
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Doesn’t matter, I would still refuse if I knew someone would pay me for it every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:20 AM
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No, my post is about having an alternative. That’s different from confidence. I can have all the confidence in the world, but still feel the need to lower my standards if I am desperate for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:19 AM
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It is leverage….to have standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:02 AM
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There isn’t. My carnal pleasures are fulfilled either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:02 AM
1

Again, you are not understanding because you don’t have the male perspective. Sex with that average looking girl is inherently worth less to me than having sex with the extremely hot women abroad. I do it because it’s fun and feels good. Not because I need a confidence boost. I can get a relationship - it just needs more effort on my part. Sometimes, I just don’t want to put in the effort. And have sex will all variety of women. Men enjoy variety. Sex within one relationship is not the end all b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 12:00 AM
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Culturally accepted, not just legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:53 PM
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Your suggestions don’t make any sense. I love when women give their opinion or advice on how we can help men. You don’t have the perspective, because you are not a man. Men see sex very differently. I’m not having sex with hookers to feel more confident. I’m doing it because it feels good.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:43 PM
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It’s individuals having leverage to engage in relationships and put up with low standards, period.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:36 PM
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The application is in not putting up with or giving attention to women that don’t meet your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:32 PM
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Baseless claim. How do you know it doesn’t? Empirically, it does, based on observing other societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:31 PM
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107 to 100 is fairly even compared to the societies I am using as examples. And it does actually even out by late 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:30 PM
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It is leverage. If men opt out, there are less options for women. You literally made the exact same statement about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:22 PM
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There’s a difference. Men want casual sex more than women. She loses the commitment, which is more important to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:20 PM
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Feminine is submissiveness, subservience, agreeableness, etiquette, politeness. To start.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:18 PM
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Oh, she would refuse. But I would also refuse if I knew someone would pay me to have sex but wanted it for free. And I definitely enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:15 PM
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Yes, if women opt out, men have less leverage. But men also have the leverage to opt out because they can experience sex through other means.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:13 PM
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Again, just because she’s getting paid doesn’t mean she doesn’t enjoy it. And just because she wouldn’t do it if she weren’t getting paid, doesn’t mean she wouldn’t enjoy it. I enjoy having sex with women. If someone was willing to pay me every time I did, then why would I do it for free?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:08 PM
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One guy using prostitutes doesn’t apply pressure to women. But prostitution being culturally accepted to the point that it’s a commonly used by every guy? That absolutely does put immense pressure on women and impacts their behaviors. That’s my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:06 PM
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You are missing the point. Of course paying for sex doesn’t increase a man’s desirability towards women. But it does give men an alternative that makes them less willing to lower their standards. The more men that behave this way, the more that women will have to increase their effort and lower their standards. Supply and demand. It’s a market.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:05 PM
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Do promiscuous women tell men they’ve been ran through by lots of men? Also being ran through as a guy is not a thing. Lmao. We initiate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:02 PM
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lol, ok. you seem to be very annoyed by the fact that I have the choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 11:00 PM
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ok, then I’m sorry you have some prejudice that does not allow you to believe women can enjoy having sex, while getting paid for it. You clearly enjoy it while not getting paid for it, lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:59 PM
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Legality =/= cultural acceptance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:57 PM
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No, that’s not it. I want her to enjoy it. I’m paying her because it’s a quick and efficient way of getting what I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:57 PM
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Again, not what I was saying it at all. This has nothing to do with denial of responsibility. I’m making a more meta point that what you believe and decisions you make are not so original. You are influenced into making them. You are still responsible for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:56 PM
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Doing it for free is not a precondition for enjoying it. Common fallacy. I can enjoy having sex. But if someone is willing to pay me for it every time I do it, why would I do it for free?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:54 PM
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It would still be gated by resources, because it costs money. And the need for relationships and child bearing won’t go away. You would still have marriages. The only difference is women would need to put in more effort to secure commitment and relationships because men are not desperate for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:49 PM
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Again, this is flying way over your head. Feel free to read again. Maybe look into some psychology and philosophy books around this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:44 PM
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Regardless, there was a basis to my claim. You aren’t even willing to do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:43 PM
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Ok you are. But who cares what you think about what another man and woman are doing?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:42 PM
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Oh I see you edited your post. I disagree, it is very much a genuine alternative. It doesn’t increase my desirability, but it does decrease or my desperation or need for it. That’s what an alternative is. You are looking at this through the lens of increasing desirability, as if making yourself more appealing to the opposite sex is the end all be all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:40 PM
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Nope, that wasn’t what I was saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:36 PM
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Why does that matter? It also does not mean that some don’t genuinely enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:36 PM
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sure, I’m taking about mid 20s, or even later.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:33 PM
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Again, your ignorance is speaking. You don’t even have experience with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:33 PM
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No, I see women as humans. But that doesn’t change the fact that most men secretly desire sex slaves. I think forcing a woman to be one is abhorrent and a horrible, horrible thing. But if a woman wanted to be a sex slave, I would be all for it. As would most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:32 PM
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That’s not what I’m saying at all, lol. You missed my point entirely. Sorry, you might not be intelligent enough for this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:28 PM
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They can. Lots do. You might be ultra conservative and not think so, but that’s just your ignorance speaking.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:27 PM
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The benefit for men is that they can have sex with women they desire rather than spending their lives being desperate for any attention sex at all. I don’t get why that needs further explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:26 PM
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You can continue to believe that. The fact that you believe this in itself a case where you don’t have control over your own subconscious, and are not the originator of your own thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:23 PM
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I agree it’s not relationship success. I never said it was. But it’s an alternative that makes men less likely to lower their standards when it comes to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:22 PM
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No having sex means having sex. And women can enjoy it while getting paid. Not mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:21 PM
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Have you been to America? It’s not even a comparison. Which countries specifically are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:19 PM
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The majority of men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:16 PM
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ok, but they aren’t repulsed either. It’s not binary like you think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:15 PM
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I don’t understand what point you are trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:15 PM
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Yes, because I enjoy having sex with many beautiful women over the course of a month and I don’t enjoy the effort I would have to put in to do so without paying . I can get a relationship. I have been in relationships in the past. It just takes work, whereas prostitution is instant.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:11 PM
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No you can’t control your subconscious. That’s literally what the subconscious is. The part of you that is not conscious. That you have no ability to mutate. What are you even talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:11 PM
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I never said I can’t get it. What?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:10 PM
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I can get sex in America. Why do you assume that because I am going overseas I can’t get it here? It’s just significantly more enjoyable and easy to get there, with zero taboo. This is a common fallacy. Just because a man pays for sex doesn’t mean he can’t get it for free. Maybe it’s convenient. Maybe he doesn’t want to put in the effort and just fulfill some fantasies. Lots of successful and wealthy men that are in a relationship will pay for sex because it’s convenient. They like variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:05 PM
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Sure you can what? If your thoughts are not originated by you, how are you the one making decisions?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 10:03 PM
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nope. This is a common fallacy. That as human beings, we have complete and total agency. This is not true. Are thoughts and how we act are molded by those around us, on a deep subconscious level. We merely fool ourselves into thinking we were originators of our thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:59 PM
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Where did I admit that? I don’t have to keep paying for it. I do it because I genuinely enjoy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:56 PM
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nope, many are not repulsed. Many enjoy the act, while getting to make lots of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:52 PM
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Doesn’t matter if I paid for it. Confidence nonetheless. Why do I need to lower standards or put up with a woman I am not attracted to when I have the alternative? I’m any negotiation, if you have an alternative, you will be more confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:51 PM
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This is not true. It’s not about “resorting“ to prostitution. It’s about having the alternative available. That’s the leverage. Many wealthy and successful men engage in prostitution, more than the average man. Yet these men are still desired by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:46 PM
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Your decisions are affected by your subconscious.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:42 PM
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Absolutely not, have you lived in America recently? Western euro women are much more traditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:34 PM
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Oh come on, it’s more than that. It’s a woman bending to your will and doing what you want her to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:33 PM
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It is, but it is a viable alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:31 PM
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It’s not voluntary if it’s subconscious. You don’t control it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:31 PM
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Yea, both men and women are choosing not to get married in Japan. This clearly biased NY times article makes it seem like women have all the choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:30 PM
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Agreed. I think technology could change things though. If you had AI sex robots….
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:26 PM
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It will create greater divide, definitely. Men will have an alternative that allows them to opt out. But it will also be balanced with women doing more to attract said men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:25 PM
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Mot saying women aren’t secretly hurt by it, but you said it yourself - the dynamic means that women have less leverage, and some are deciding to opt out because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:23 PM
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Dating culture being improved or not is subjective. There are too many facets to discuss. All I am saying is that the power dynamics are more even, with women putting in more effort into their appearance and femininity, because men have an alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:17 PM
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paywall
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:15 PM
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You are correct men would never settle down with a sex worker. But you are incorrect that men would feel like losers for engaging in prostitution, if it was widely culturally accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:15 PM
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Yes, this is heavily implied in my post. I literally mentioned sex vacation and prostitution. No shit I paid for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:14 PM
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It’s more heavily skewed in America, and prostitution’s lack of cultural acceptance is why.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:12 PM
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The argument is not how fantastic dating culture is in Japan. It’s that men have an alternative, which makes women put in more effort on their end. There is no where in the world where all men are completely satisfied. What a stupid argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:10 PM
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Yeah, they would feel like losers because it’s not culturally accepted. Thanks for proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:07 PM
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They can’t, but what you want and do is subconsciously dictated by power dynamics. You don’t realize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:06 PM
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Ok, bit of a clickbait title, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:05 PM
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They are definitely not the same. In Europe, women put a lot more effort into their looks and femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:05 PM
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Prostitution is a substitution for that desire. You are desired because you have money that women want, and will do things with you for.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:04 PM
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Many men do exactly what you are describing. You are so biased in your thinking that women do all of these things, but men don’t, lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:02 PM
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Again, what is the point of this comment with regards to debating my original post? You are just going off on meaningless tangents.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:01 PM
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That’s ridiculous. This sub is a forum for good faith debate. You can’t just make a baseless claim like “anyone with an elementary school education knows it”. Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 09:00 PM
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It does equal eventual extinction when the birth rate is lower than the replacement rate. Regardless, that was his comment, so I am not here to defend it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:59 PM
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Go there and see for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:58 PM
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Ok, maybe explain instead of just saying “completely wrong” lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:57 PM
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The man. Because he can buy it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:57 PM
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Again, there is no proof any of what you are saying helps men. And there is proof that contradicts it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:56 PM
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In Japanese society, men have the alternative to just not date. This makes women put in more baseline effort to compete with the alternative. This has nothing to do with desirability of Japanese men on a global level…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:55 PM
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What does this have to do with my point that men can be ready for a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:52 PM
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It is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:51 PM
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lol. You are strawmanning so hard right now. Confucianism applies to many East Asian societies buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:50 PM
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You are only half right, actually. Men are hungry for power. Love is power. Porn does give you power like prostitution does.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:48 PM
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The people who are participating in the SMP may choose not to if paying for sex was more culturally accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:46 PM
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You are right, but prostitution is a way to procure that feeling. Why would men pay for it otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:45 PM
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That does not mean it is a relic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:44 PM
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Not true. Most men, given the opportunity to have wild sex with a 10/10 supermodel, with no social stigma or consequences, would do it. Condom or no condom.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:43 PM
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Japanese work culture is entirely separate from prostitution. It has to do with Confucianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:42 PM
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Yes, but the ability to get sex in a socially acceptable way means they are less desperate to enter a relationship and have more power to choose not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:41 PM
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What you are saying has been widely studied and does not work. Feminine qualities in men make them more unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:40 PM
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I am not claiming this is the single cause. It is one reason that contributes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:36 PM
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It was an exaggeration obviously, but the point was made. Men in Japan have an alternative. It is better for them. The work culture is a separate topic entirely. Once you start with the strawmans and pointing out unrelated topics, you know your argument is weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:35 PM
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It’s not a relic. There are societies where this is the culture today.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:33 PM
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It doesn’t matter whether prostitutes respect them. They respect the money. The point is that men have an alternative that requires women to upkeep some level of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:32 PM
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Yes it did, actually. Which is exactly why I am making this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:30 PM
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Ok? In America, those same men are becoming incels and shooting up schools. What is your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:28 PM
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Not true. Power subtly dominates every interaction, for everyone. They just don’t realize it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:26 PM
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Again, my post has NOTHING to do with whether prostitution will be culturally accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:25 PM
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Nope, not voluntary. Power dynamics dominate life. Whether you like it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:23 PM
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You are misunderstanding. Men are not dating because they won’t lower their standards, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:23 PM
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This not true. Most men would engage in prostitution if there was no social stigma.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:22 PM
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It’s not fantastic. But guys can still have standards, and women have to put in more effort to meet those standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:19 PM
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Ok? They are absolutely connected in a market where men court women for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:18 PM
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I don’t know. You tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:16 PM
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Legality =/= cultural acceptance. It’s about whether it is socially accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:15 PM
1

Ok, but hookup culture, which has the same STD issue, is fine, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:14 PM
1

Prostitution being socially acceptable is still one factor that would keep these ‘undeserving’ women in check. But you are right.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:10 PM
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I was responding to his comment on Japan going ‘extinct’. Birth rates are a problem in that society. Please read before commenting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:08 PM
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What relation crisis? You mean fertility crisis? Because men are choosing to not date, rather than lower their standards. Men already in relationships have much more stable ones than in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:07 PM
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“No one has to know” is different from cultural acceptance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:05 PM
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My post has nothing to do with why paying for sex is frowned upon. It merely commentates on the consequences of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:05 PM
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You would be surprised how much more feminine women are in Germany, really all of Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:03 PM
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Baseless claim. Most men in Japan pay for services and are in a 10+ year relationship. Are they not ready for one?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 08:03 PM
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Thanks for being introspective. You said it yourself, you don’t know how you would think if you grew up in a different culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:57 PM
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I think you’re underestimating how many men would use a prostitute if there was truly no social stigma. Japan is going ‘extinct’ because men will just not engage instead of being desperate and lowering their standards. Women are still putting in much more effort and have realistic expectations, because men have an alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:51 PM
1

What? Women are doing this in Japan.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:49 PM
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Guys are going extinct because they would rather not date at all. Women are still putting in a lot of effort and have more realistic expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:47 PM
1

Sex is not the only reason , but it is absolutely a big reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:46 PM
3

What? Most dudes are. This is not a binary thing where if a man is willing to have sex with a prostitute means he does not want a real relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:46 PM
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Exactly. Great point. How many women are going abroad because men in other countries are offering more?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:44 PM
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You just proved my point. They are mocked because it is not culturally accepted, that’s why they wouldn’t. If it was culturally accepted, and a man could pay $200 to live out his fantasy with his favourite pornstar, with no judgement or consequences, 99% of men are losing that $200.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:42 PM
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It certainly is exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:40 PM
0

You are underestimating how much of that thirst is quenched by having sex with a hot prostitute.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:38 PM
0

It’s not just about legality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:38 PM
2

Then how come the most successful married men in societies like Japan are all buying sex. In fact, the more successful and wealthy a man is in any society, the more likely he is to be paying for sex. Are these successful and wealthy men not desirable to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:37 PM
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True, but being able to get sex for money easily does change relationship dynamics and how much men are willing to lower standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:35 PM
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lol, probably because you were a foreigner. And their professionals do perform PIV. It’s just one of those meaningless laws that no one follows.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:34 PM
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This the reality of the world. Power and power dynamics dominate every interaction. Friends, coworkers, and yes, even partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:32 PM
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You are right, but it would still make men less likely to settle for someone that does not meet their standards, which the point of my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:31 PM
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Again, my post has nothing to do with whether cultural change will or will not happen. It is just stating the consequences of the current culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:29 PM
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Most men would. It’s just not culturally accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:24 PM
1

Exactly, this is economics 101. The next best alternative deems your value.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:23 PM
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That’s not the point of this debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:22 PM
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You have a very binary view on this. It’s not like there are two types of guys - those who are willing to pay for sex and those who want a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:21 PM
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Because in some societies, sex is seen in a very different light. Sex is not love. It can still be desirable for women to be in a relationship, feel love, have a family and children, while accepting their husband is having sex with prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:19 PM
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Because in some societies, sex is seen in a very different light. Sex is not love. It can still be desirable for women to be in a relationship, feel love, have a family and children, while accepting their husband is having sex with prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:19 PM
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Legality is not the same thing as cultural acceptance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:15 PM
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You would be surprised. Many instances where this applies. Dead bedroom situation for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:15 PM
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You literally just proved his point. How do you feel right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 07:11 PM
1

If the man is truly attractive and stays with an unattractive woman, he's having his way with other women on the side. That's the only way the relationship lasts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 03:06 AM
1

Yes, people enjoy delusional hoes and bitchy prudes get mansplained. It’s funny as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 08:07 PM
1

That boring lackluster entertainment, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 06:46 PM
1

It would be hilarious indeed, but of course if a guy finds that funny, you wouldn’t ever have sex with them, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 06:12 PM
1

lol, sure. You would ironically make a great guest on one of these podcasts just based on your bitchy comments in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 05:58 PM
2

Exactly, the whole passport bro movement is founded on men having to date western women that are less attractive than them, so instead they get hotter foreign women that match or exceed the man’s attractiveness…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 05:49 PM
2

This is 100% true nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 05:35 PM
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Male inflation is definitely a thing and it’s one of the biggest reasons why dating and relationship culture is so fucked up. More and more often we see relationships where the guy is more attractive than the girl. The problem with these relationships is that they are doomed from the beginning. The girl will be insecure and self sabotage. The guy, as he matures and gets more valuable with age, will be more tempted to leave to get a girl that at least matches his level of attractiveness. After al…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 05:35 PM
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No. I get absolutely nothing out of a friendship with an ugly chick that I’m not attracted to. And if I’m in a “friendship” with an attractive girl, is it really a friendship?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 05:13 PM
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Again, it’s not that deep, dudette. You’re basically saying “who wants to have sex with a man who willingly watches a Bill Burr comedy special on Netflix?” It’s the same thing. It’s just funny entertainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 05:05 PM
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It’s not that deep bro. Those podcasts are entertainment. You bring a bunch of hoes on and trash them to get laughs. That’s the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/24 03:20 PM
1

You refuse to acknowledge pregnancy has serious risks for older women and that this is something family planning should be done around. Period. End of story. You will misguide your patients and fail to live up to the Hippocratic oath.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 11:37 PM
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I feel sorry for your patients. You will never be able to be the physician you can be because your political and sexist beliefs will cloud your judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 10:14 AM
2

…because being a UMC professional with the income to support an entire household is not the norm in the western world. Men who have the money don’t care at all about a woman’s career. Men who need to care, care.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 06:42 AM
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I am a UMC professional. I know several that married their high school sweethearts. None of the women have a career because they don’t need to. The guy takes care of the finances. What the fuck are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 05:55 AM
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Your post and replies in this thread just scream “I barely interact romantically with women”. How old are you? Go look at an 18 year old woman and a 35 year old woman. Do the exercise. And then come back and try to continue your argument that the 35 year old could have done x, y, and z to make the difference go away. No. The difference in attractiveness is insurmountable.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 04:46 AM
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What common interests will a 35 year old woman have? Be specific. Traveling? Lmao. The reason a beautiful 22 year old will always be inherently more desirable is you have 13 years to build her common interests alongside yours. Inexperience is a positive for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 04:40 AM
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Wrong. If the girl is 22, drop dead gorgeous, and a Walmart cashier, she is getting the ring. You just don’t notice this happening because once she gets the ring she stops working at Walmart.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 04:36 AM
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Men don’t care about the “value” women create. Thats why most women choose not to. Men care about the value women are born with - youth and fertility and beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 03:58 PM
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Lmao stop, she’s dead already.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 03:50 PM
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I disagree. The wall hits no matter what. Guys don’t, and have never, cared about a women’s career, interest or hobbies. They care about youth and beauty. The reason men age “like fine wine” is because girls DO care about career, hobbies, and life experience, which are all things that compound and grow as the man gets older. A young, beautiful 22 year old girl is more valuable to the opposite sex than a well travelled, worldly, 45 year old woman with a billion dollar net worth. This is an inhere…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 03:45 PM
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But you see how making blanket statements like that is illogical. Not all men complain about western women, just the types you like to focus on…. It would serve you well to do some introspection on your double standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 03:36 PM
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Maybe she isn’t being clear about expressing her desire to do these things. From his perspective, it may look like she is listening to him because she loves him. So no, it’s not just his fault, she also needs to be upfront and honest with him. He has held up his end of the bargain - communicated clear, objective values and boundaries for the relationship. It’s her turn to respond. Does she accept them or not?
/r/RedPillWomen07/01/23 07:25 PM
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Leave him if you don’t like it. This is a very clear demand from him. It is important to him which is why he put down the ultimatum. You still wanting to go shows a clear lack of respect for him and his values. If you don’t truly love him, then by all means go do your thing. This is not about judging him, his character, or the reasoning behind his ultimatum. His ultimatum is his ultimatum. Period. He has every right to set his boundaries and you have every right to reject them. Neither of you ar…
/r/RedPillWomen07/01/23 07:20 PM
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Correct, I don’t know why he isn’t leaving her. He seems weak and indecisive.
/r/RedPillWomen05/01/23 12:48 AM
1

Correct. A traditional man that knows his worth has every right to decide not to accept your past, no matter what you do. This is why protecting your innocence and being extremely selective is the most important thing. Just because you can’t change your past doesn’t mean he has to live with it.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 10:23 PM
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In general, yes. It seems like an appropriate conclusion to make given liberal/“bluepill” ideology deals less in absolutes, and the studies clearly show men tend to deal in more absolutes. There is value in both perspectives, by the way. A mother must think in “shades of gray” to be patient with, nurture, and comfort her children. A man must deal in “black and white” to provide for the family and make sure they survive because the real world does not care about shades of gray - it is absolute.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 09:51 PM
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You need to do everything in your power to make him feel secure in himself. If you feel you have already done that, then the relationship is a lost cause. This is precisely why it is so important for women to be extremely, extremely selective and not sleep around. A man is in competition with all of your ex’s and past life experiences. It’s hardwired in him to be that way. You can’t change your past, but he does not have to accept it either.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 09:24 PM
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If you’re 19 years old and attractive as you say, your innate value is extremely high. As long as you continue to improve your femininity, become more educated, and stay away from the parties and hookup culture, in a couple of years you will be at peak value. I’m serious. The most important thing at that point is being a good gatekeeper and making sure you choose the right guy. The unfortunate truth is that the more relationship experience you have, the more your value declines, and it does so r…
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 08:44 PM
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Exactly, anyone in this thread who is making a claim based on personal experience because “that’s what men told them” is delusional. Men lie all the time. Why? Because it is the optimal strategy for them. Men know telling the truth at all times to women is a losing strategy. The amount of women who are downvoting and upset by my responses, and outright calling me names, are proving this point verbatim.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 04:43 PM
1

Okay, so that’s your opinion and your interpretation of a high status man. How is that relevant to anything?
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 04:39 PM
4

Exceptions do not disprove the rule. Also, and this is the dark truth that no one will admit, but it is absolutely the truth, these men who are choosing older and more experienced women likely did so because of a lack of optionality. That doesn’t mean your parents don’t love each other or that your dad doesn’t love your mom. It just means that when your dad was single, and he was given unlimited choice, he would have picked a younger mate. The truth hurts. But it is the truth nonetheless. You ar…
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 04:34 PM
1

I did not make any comment on why men want what they want. I also did not make any comment on whether it is fair because everyone, including women, age whether they like it or not. The world is not fair. The world does not care about your feelings. Beautiful people have easier lives. Youthful women have more choices. This is how it has always been and always will be. I can’t even believe this is a contentious point. *Disclaimer: in general, statistically on a normal distribution of probabilities…
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 04:26 PM
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It’s not a narrow and false view. It is a statistically significant view backed by countless research studies done by people that have devoted their entire life to studying and researching what we are discussing. Again, I’m not going to specify (in general, on a normal distribution, statistically, ….) before every statement I make. Humans talk in generalities. Sorry that statement hurt your feelings. You could have learned something if you didn’t get so offended by my statements. This is what me…
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 04:22 PM
0

I will always credit my own experience that has played out in front of my eyes than the (unsourced) stats some chicken neck spouts in a reddit thread. Completely unnecessary. And you said I'm the one who's complaining? Look, you can believe what you want to believe. But statistical facts are statistical facts. There have been hundreds of research studies done on mating preferences and the results are absolute. If you're talking about individual preferences, then why are you attacking and discred…
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 04:46 AM
1

He's an anomaly because of his preferences, moreso. I know plenty of high status men that do not have his preferences. Again, your situation with your husband does not apply here. It is not the same as him being single and having independent agency. We can't just speculate/extrapolate.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 04:39 AM
1

I'm not complaining at all. You are the one who is discrediting my claim of generalized, statistical facts.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 04:34 AM
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This is the the only helpful answer in this thread. You can only control what you can control. And there are plenty of amazing, lifelong, happy pairings out there for women of all ages.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 04:32 AM
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Ok, but we have to set some base variables to have a logical discussion on whether youth is important. If we throw the assumption of unlimited choice out the window, then of course, you can claim that youth does not matter or that in certain circumstances, a man will not factor youth in to the equation. This is all just a vacuous argument at that point.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 04:28 AM
3

Of course your husband would never marry a 22 year old, he has you. > My brother is recently divorced and high status late 30s and specifically won't date under 40. Your brother is an anomaly based on statistics. Very interesting to hear that he is in his late 30s and wants to date someone only 40 or up.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 04:24 AM
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It's not a preference, it is a generalized fact. On a normal distribution, the vast majority of men will prefer youth. Also, please understand that there are inherent biases in what a man is telling you or signaling to you and what he actually wants if he had unlimited choice.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 04:17 AM
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Sure, but I, along with most people in this thread, are discussing a woman on the dating market. Absolutely, if you are already married and happy, then none of this applies to you. It doesn't matter if a married woman is 20 or 80. I agree with you.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 04:14 AM
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I never made any blanket statements. Not once did I say that "every man wants....". Again, sorry you were offended, but there is nothing wrong with talking in generalities. We are not here to protect each other's feelings, we are here to have honest, productive discussions. An exception does not negate the general rule.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 04:09 AM
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You are wrong. A high quality man with unlimited choice in his 40's is still looking for purity and innocence. He does not want someone that has lots of experience or is too mature. Youth is completely different from looks. You can have older women that are extremely hot. Independent variables. Youth is what men are after. Pure optimism, innocence, submissiveness. All the things that RPW preaches.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 04:05 AM
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Ok, so your father proved my point above. It's not necessarily about age, but experience. There are always exceptions to the rule, but everything we discuss needs to be in generalities, otherwise we can't have productive discussions.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 03:57 AM
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Yes, relative youth is important. I think the most important criteria, however, is not relative or absolute youth, but absolute experience. Regardless of whether the girl is 22 or 28, the most important quality for a man is how pure/innocent/inexperienced she is (not in a predatory way). Knowing that a girl has been with many other men, or has "lived a lot of life" is extremely unattractive to a top quality man. Men's largest insecurity in a relationship is "Am I enough for her?" They are effect…
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 03:55 AM
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I think this has less to do with age and more to do with how women in younger generations carry themselves and the maturity they display. A truly feminine 22 year old that abides by RPW standards is at the top of the pecking order, and always will be.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 03:47 AM
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Men might find older women hot and have sex with them, but they don't see long term relationship potential in them. It is extremely important for a man to know that the woman he is with is less experienced than he is.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 03:43 AM
3

Youth is incredibly important. Not only because of looks and fertility but because you are purer and more innocent. It’s not everything but it is important. The free market dictates this pretty clearly. Men with all the options in the world choose to date younger. If you don’t believe youth matters, you are delusional.
/r/RedPillWomen04/01/23 01:45 AM
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ok, so you can don’t really want to be “skilled” then. You just want a job and the illusion that you are “skilled” at it. I am not going to judge why you want this. I think others in the comments have already pointed this out and it would behoove you to do some introspection on why. Regardless, what you are describing can be easily achieved by anyone of either gender. So I am not sure what the point of your post is. That you got your feelings hurt? Suck it up. The world doesn’t care about your f…
/r/RedPillWomen02/01/23 06:36 AM
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What good does complaining about something you can’t change do? Men are better suited for competitive endeavors. They always have been. It is their biological imperative. It’s how testosterone works. If you want to compete and become skilled so badly, there are zero barriers to entry for you as a woman. Especially in the western world. In fact, you will be given help every step of the way as a woman unlike men. So go ahead. But that doesn’t mean it’s the winning strategy for life. Ask any woman …
/r/RedPillWomen02/01/23 05:39 AM
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You made the right decision because if you, as the woman, are not in love with him and have doubts, the relationship will never succeed. It is his responsibility to garner your unyielding respect for him. That being said, even if you did make the right decision here, that does not mean you are absolved of facing the consequences of your actions. There is now a permanent black mark on you from this relationship, you are already quite old, and your value as a mate has now dropped considerably sinc…
/r/RedPillWomen02/01/23 03:40 AM
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The only thing I agree with there is that men need to stop expecting free sex without commitment. That's true. Sex is not free. Even if you do it with a slut who gives it out free, it's costing you something. As for the whole spiel about how it doesn't matter what someone did in the past - WHAT A LOAD OF BULLSHIT. How someone behaved in the past is the strongest indicator I have of how they will behave in the future. Why the FUCK should I take a chance on someone who slept around and did stupid …
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