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7 or 8 so far in October.
/r/seduction16/10/11 11:45 AM
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We sit on opposite ends of the class though, and it's already been like 2 weeks so I don't want to just sit next to her now. Sorry, failing to see why you don't just go and sit next to her?
/r/seduction22/09/11 04:06 PM
2

I'm surprised you didn't try and find the girl from set 1 again later.
/r/seduction20/09/11 04:29 PM
3

I'm not looking for a relationship, purely one night stands, or maybe casual dating. PM me, I'm sure we can sort something out.
/r/seduction20/09/11 12:25 PM
2

Very well pointed out. Men learn not to cry, women learn to cry. For men, whatever happened it's only going to be worse for you if you cry about it. Women, on the other hand, will garner sympathy and support for their cause if they cry.
/r/seduction20/09/11 12:23 PM
2

Read 60 Years of Challenge's seduction ebooks. Some girls will even let you kiss close them with no intention of ever fucking you. Mutual caressing tends to be a more reliable sign that she has accepted you as a future sexual partner. But yeah, if you're going for the SNL then you should be making out within 30 minutes really. If you're going for the number but not an SNL, then I'd eject after about 30 - 45 mins. Maximizing your use of time in a bar / club on a Saturday night isn't always easy. …
/r/seduction19/09/11 04:28 PM
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How are you getting these girls into bed? If you're bedding them really fast (like meet to lay a few hours or less) then you're fucking them before they feel you know them as a person, which puts you in secret lover zone. There isn't just friend zone there is: Friend zone (rapport but no attraction) Boy friend zone (attraction and rapport) Secret lover zone (attraction no rapport / slept with her before comfort) If that isn't it then I don't know... maybe you're really good looking but haven't g…
/r/seduction19/09/11 04:21 PM
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That oozes AFC.
/r/seduction19/09/11 01:09 PM
5

In larger sample sizes, that is, millions, around 30% show the man not being the father. 30% is still crazy. I guess like the other guy pointed it the samples a bit skewed.
/r/MensRights19/09/11 11:09 AM
1

How the hell did you do 500 approaches in 1 month?
/r/seduction06/09/11 11:03 PM
2

Especially at clubs, I often feel like attraction is over with after just seconds and it's unnecessary. I think you answered your own question pretty well.
/r/seduction04/09/11 04:31 PM
1

You have nothing to gain by going, you can only lose when one of her friends takes a dislike to you or something you do (at least one of them will). Don't play by he rules. Don't go to this film. Paul Janka has a whole section of his DVD set devoted to why this is a bad idea.
/r/seduction02/09/11 12:57 PM
3

It's more that he's getting into a relationship purely on the woman's terms.
/r/seduction02/09/11 12:52 PM
5

You're there to do a job, focus on that. Her comfort is her problem, not yours.
/r/seduction02/09/11 12:30 PM
1

Try googling pickuptube. It's a paid service, but has some good rob judge (amongst others) videos.
/r/seduction25/08/11 09:16 AM
0

Opener, "Excuse me, do you speak English"
/r/seduction29/07/11 03:19 PM
2

Look online for wingmen, meet up and sarge with them. While you're waiting to find some, sarge solo. Get out there sarging ASAP.
/r/seduction29/07/11 03:09 PM
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When he says propositioned, he means raped.
/r/seduction29/07/11 03:03 PM
1

The point is that you should feel confident about yourself and that you do not have to copy someone else to be successful There's no reason why you shouldn't emulate the behaviors of successful people. In fact, this is a very clever thing to do.
/r/seduction29/07/11 02:11 PM
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The point is that you should feel confident about yourself and that you do not have to copy someone else to be successful There's no reason why you shouldn't emulate the behaviors of successful people. In fact, this is a very clever thing to do.
/r/seduction29/07/11 02:11 PM
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Generally speaking, when ever you try a new behavior it will feel uncomfortable, even if behaving in the new way makes you a better person. For example, going from a person who never goes to the gym to a person who goes 3 times a week will often feel uncomfortable in the beginning. Doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. Your emotions will generally try and punish you if you try and change any of your habits. There's a simple reason for this. If you're surviving as you currently are, your animal brain…
/r/seduction29/07/11 02:10 PM
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This is just her anti slut defense. She's trying to put all the responsibility for the sex on you, because that way it means she isn't a slut. She's just as responsible for what happened as you are, feeling guilty and wanting to make amends makes no sense. If a girl said this to me, I'd have a complete inability to take her seriously.
/r/seduction29/07/11 03:02 AM
2

If you read the text exchange the flake came about mainly because of poor logistics / Burto refusing to give into her 'frame'. He probably could have met up with her if he was willing to relax his frame a bit.
/r/seduction28/07/11 04:01 PM
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DAE ever feel like they missed their cue or opportunity? Most weeks when out sarging. I ignore way to many approach invitations so I don't open sets I should do, and also miss many IOIs in set so I don't close sets I should do. One of the last times I went out, a girl gave me an approach invitation just as I was about to leave the club. I carried on walking out the door. Then I thought to myself, "If you always do the same things you'll get the same results". So I went back and opened her. Resul…
/r/seduction28/07/11 03:52 PM
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Go in for the kill, if she turns away, she wasn't interested to start with. Exactly, he has everything to gain and nothing to lose by going for it. Only his own ego can hurt him.
/r/seduction28/07/11 03:48 PM
3

Solid article, covers a lot of points I haven't seen elsewhere.
/r/seduction28/07/11 10:23 AM
1

Yeah, easy enough to get high quantity, quality not great though.
/r/seduction28/07/11 09:58 AM
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You don't. I remember discussing the whole non-reactive thing with an experienced player / someone whose got his shit seriously together in life. I'll never forget what he told me, "Cowards are nonreactive too. Just react appropriately given the situation. Sometimes you'll get it wrong and over react."
/r/seduction27/07/11 03:08 PM
1

i got a girl's number...everything went well and we have been banging it for the past 2 weeks. I'm an AFC with a GF Is she actually your GF or just a girl you're fucking? If she's not your actual gf I wouldn't even bother worrying about the other guy, I'd just be out there trying to game other women as well as seeing her.
/r/seduction27/07/11 02:59 PM
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I'm guessing if he knew the guy was the glassing type he'd have walked away.
/r/seduction27/07/11 02:50 PM
3

Sounded like it was reasonable to push him, to be honest.
/r/seduction27/07/11 02:50 PM
1

It's more a case of you should always be touching people... there is not start and end it's just what you do when you interact with people.
/r/seduction08/07/11 12:02 PM
2

Day game nitro by Krauser PUA http://www.lulu.com/product/hardcover/daygame-nitro/15573561 Check out his blog and infields to see what he gets up to: http://krauserpua.com/ His mid 30s and fucks cat walk models and strippers that he meets from daygame.
/r/seduction08/07/11 10:43 AM
1

This is why I leave women to look after themselves unless it's a gf / sister. As soon as I, a man, step in I'm actually much morel likely to get hurt than the girl is. She'll just get annoyed at his attention and at worse case groped.
/r/seduction08/07/11 09:15 AM
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Women need to learn to stand up for themselves. Don't feel obliged to protect them.
/r/seduction08/07/11 09:12 AM
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Because people on here want to improve themselves and strive for self actualization. If you're the type of person to walk away from something you want as the result of coming up against a small obstacle, you can forget self actualization. You are too weak.
/r/seduction08/07/11 09:09 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, OP left a successful pick-up without a reason, instead of closing the deal. If people take one thing away from this thread, it should be this.
/r/seduction08/07/11 09:07 AM
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Yes, AFC orbiter trying to ward off other potential suitors so he can fuck the girl. There's no 'protecting' here. In this situation you need to quickly establish is he's the bf (or maybe brother), by saying, "Do you know this guy?" "Yes" "Bf?" "No, just a friend." With that established, I'd say to the girl, "He doesn't like me touching you. But I want to touch you. It makes me happy" (said in a funny not creepy way) and touch her again. Then completely ignore anything the guy says from now on. …
/r/seduction08/07/11 09:04 AM
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If you delivered this really well and had great non verbals you might get some numbers from it. Look at it this way though: You ask a girl for directions You ask an opinion on a tattoo You ask for her number It's not quite that easy. You need to show a little bit of personality. Just go direct, and freestyle the conversation. You'll end up standing there with girls in silence sometimes, but eventually you'll learn spontaneous conversation skills.
/r/seduction07/07/11 11:01 AM
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The best way to not be nervous and not come off as a creep: Be prepared to come off as a creep. Don't give a fuck about saving face with some exit strategy
/r/seduction05/07/11 12:44 PM
2

This is really the main point. I remember when there was first outrage at women getting paid less at Wimbolden. I would have loved it if in response they went 100% gender neutral and just had one mixed sex competition. See how many women would finish in a money winning position then...
/r/MensRights04/07/11 03:07 AM
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Wonder if that could be challenged as cruel and unusual punishment given that being erect is not a conscious decision.
/r/MensRights04/07/11 02:42 AM
3

Wow, she sounds like a fun date.
/r/MensRights03/07/11 06:50 PM
2

I don't think the average woman cares. True. My point is women have a perception of how dating must be for a man, but if they apply any of their experience / logic to it they'll see they are very wrong.
/r/MensRights30/06/11 01:54 PM
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I like the section you've quoted, so true. Speaking to women ive dated, very few of them seem to realise how hard it is for most men to get laid. I think it's because they so easily fail to do the maths an realise that they get approached by 200 odd men a year maybe, and sleep with maybe just a few of those men. If they did this maths they'd realise that a man must face a rejection rate of around 98.5% when approaching women. This also fails to take into account that the 2/3 guys they end up not…
/r/MensRights29/06/11 07:37 PM
1

Basically the set is only over when she walks off. If she's still there you continue talking to her / trying to pull her.
/r/seduction26/06/11 01:24 PM
1

You're making the same point as me. Architect service being paid for is different than a divorce settlement, so while the courts example seems at first glance to make sense, it's essentially a straw man.
/r/MensRights24/06/11 05:25 PM
2

Either, "Maybe one day you'll find out" or "What makes you think I have a penis?". The first one's clearly better, but I'll say the second if I'm in a stupid mood.
/r/seduction24/06/11 02:10 PM
0

For instance, the government could not seize stolen money from an architect whom a thief had paid to build his home. Designing a house.
/r/MensRights24/06/11 01:52 PM
3

Technically porn should be seen as more demeaning to men. The men in it are objectified more (they are often not much more than a disembodied penis), and male actors make much less than the female ones. The reason it's seen as more demeaning to women is that many women (subconsciously) see their main / only value as coming from their sexuality, this is why they are more sensitive about anything that lowers the 'price' of sex. Google 'sexual trade unionism' to learn more about why women are more …
/r/MensRights24/06/11 01:33 PM
2

In ruling for Ms. Schaberg, the court made an analogy between Ms. Schaberg and her divorce settlement proceeds and any person who unknowingly receives tainted money in a business transaction. For instance, the government could not seize stolen money from an architect whom a thief had paid to build his home. In a way this seems to make sense. But this example given is payment for services rendered, which is not the same as splitting up assets in a divorce.
/r/MensRights24/06/11 01:19 PM
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There are tens of thousands of experienced Wal-Mart women who would like to be promoted to the first managerial rung, salaried assistant store manager. But Wal-Mart makes it impossible for many of them to take that post, because its ruthless management style structures the job itself as one that most women, and especially those with young children or a relative to care for, would find difficult to accept. The job isn't structured to keep women out, it's structure will come as a result of what is…
/r/MensRights24/06/11 01:15 PM
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I got asked this on Saturday night. My response was, "I'm shy around women, I lack the confidence to approach them and talk to them". This was said with a sly grin on my face after, and 5 minutes after I'd just confidently approached her in a club.
/r/seduction20/06/11 10:51 PM
0

The part that interests me is that society is organized in such a way that the natural instincts of men are shameful and criminal while the natural instincts of women are mostly legal and acceptable. In other words, men are born as round pegs in a society full of square holes. If soceity is so wrong for half the population, maybe society needs to change. Women's instincts are mainly lawful because most of the wrong doing they commit is focused on lies and manipulation rather than physical acts (…
/r/MensRights16/06/11 12:37 PM
2

It's probably because not many men want this type of job, compared to women, but it still sounds funny.
/r/MensRights16/06/11 12:20 PM
0

It shows what bullshit all this stuff about Arab women being oppressed is.
/r/MensRights14/06/11 10:29 AM
5

like rants about how Feminism is "evil." If you know enough about it and what it's responsible for, you'll realise the truth in this.
/r/seduction06/06/11 09:25 PM
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Someone set 4chan on her.
/r/MensRights06/06/11 06:40 AM
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If we had paternity testing technology 200 years ago it probably would have been, but since it's only been possible to prove paternity fraud since feminism came into power it was never made a crime.
/r/MensRights06/06/11 06:33 AM
1

I'm not sure I understand the downvotes. I think people thought I was implying he was guilty, when in fact I was just commenting on the mandatory minimum for that crime.
/r/MensRights01/06/11 11:36 PM
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I know it's not the issue of this case, the issue is his convection despite a complete lack of evidence. What I said was just a general observation.
/r/MensRights01/06/11 11:35 PM
2

!0 year minimum for licking someone's pussy without consent? Wow, that's a bit much.
/r/MensRights01/06/11 01:00 PM
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A group of men and women who are willing to sacrifice their freedom (i.e. not me) should have the women accuse the men of rape and then recant once he's convicted over and over again until the law is changed like in the Kevin Spacey movie.
/r/MensRights01/06/11 12:58 PM
1

Looking at the comments on the article itself people seem to have missed this vital point.
/r/MensRights01/06/11 03:35 AM
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Yeah, getting a woman to chase is very powerful. But women are brought up thinking that their the one's that are meant to be chased. Flipping the script is the hard part. I realized that if the last date/interaction went well, you'll be on her mind. If you're 95% to 100% sure that you can get a next date with her, don't ask her out. Keep in light contact with her, but let her chase you I like to always be the one setting the dates, at least until the first time I fuck her. It's that man's job to…
/r/seduction31/05/11 11:03 PM
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Everyone here is way over complicating the situation. There's no need to fuck around with subtle little power plays or routines. You might need these if this was a set you'd just opened, but on a date things are different. Explain to him (nicely) that the two of you are on a date and would like to be left alone. If he doesn't leave then he's being rude, which gives you the green light (in terms of social acceptability) to verbally then physically escalate. If you play it this way, at some point …
/r/seduction31/05/11 06:11 PM
1

What most men who get married just don't get is that when a woman no longer loves you, she will treat you very differently to when she did love you.
/r/MensRights31/05/11 02:10 AM
1

Thing is, this isn't a million miles away from how it works. A mother with young children will have to commit a pretty major time before she actually has to gonto prison. Mothers always seem to get suspended sentences.
/r/MensRights31/05/11 02:03 AM
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He pled guilty.
/r/MensRights31/05/11 01:55 AM
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That's what I thought. I think you'd be pretty unlikely to be able to cut off a rapists penis as he tried to rape you. This makes me think it's her that's lying.
/r/MensRights31/05/11 01:02 AM
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Are the NHS really allowed to do this? I wonder if only men are allowed to be receptionists at prostate cancer clinics. I wonder if they even have prostate cancer clinics...
/r/MensRights26/05/11 10:41 PM
8

This is why I've never been 100% convinced of Seddit's whole, "Be the fun guy who's the soul of the party" funny man thing. Hot women generally seem to date serious men. Swaggering man with a brooding look: an important guy with serious shit to do == high value.
/r/seduction24/05/11 10:47 PM
2

a 55-year old woman filed a complaint for sexual harassment. I'm fairly certain he didn't intend to sexually harass this women.
/r/MensRights24/05/11 10:43 PM
1

Interesting stats. I remember hearing somewhere that some medical professionals in the UK were saying the HUGE disparity in spending by the government between breast and lung cancer was costing many lives (ie if they swapped the amounts of cash spent on breast and lung cancer around, more lives would be saved each year).
/r/MensRights23/05/11 11:28 AM
0

Agreed. Not a mr issue
/r/MensRights23/05/11 10:08 AM
2

guys like it when attractive girls grab their asses Dude, this would have been epic. Calling a girl ugly really is the biggest insult she can get.
/r/MensRights23/05/11 10:03 AM
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The thing is, if you did get her pregnant it wouldn't matter that she raped you. You'd still have to pay child support.
/r/MensRights23/05/11 09:47 AM
1

So the girl is getting mentally scarred but she stays in bed with him, instead of getting out of bed and calling a cab to go home. Bollocks.
/r/seduction23/05/11 08:59 AM
-5

2XC are feminists, therefore evil Any man who crossdresses is a wierdo
/r/seduction23/05/11 08:41 AM
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I'd agree with this. People coming into game generally only have one thing in common: they aren't fucking enough hot women. That's pretty much where the commanality ends, because there are many different reasons why this is the case. Some people are socially very confident, and almost alpha even, but the pedestal women. They just need to learn not to do this, a bit of c&f maybe, and they'll start getting laid. Some people are good socially, but are the nice guys who always want to please everyon…
/r/seduction22/05/11 10:30 AM
2

Yeah, it's 60 years of challenge. He calls this "micro avoidance". Confidence in my eyes is basically doing what you want (within reason of course) without hesitation. By avoiding doing all the little things, like asking for the sweet and sour sauce, you are basically teaching your mind that you are not the type of person that does what he wants if doing so is a bit uncomfortable.
/r/seduction22/05/11 10:07 AM
7

Under uk law a woman can't commit rape.
/r/MensRights19/05/11 11:19 PM
2

Let's look at murder. What ever happens the victim ends up dead. Can't get more definitively the same than that. Yet there are still degrees of murder.
/r/MensRights19/05/11 11:19 PM
1

I find all the relationship training stuff scary. They're going to turn men into pussies that never get laid.
/r/MensRights19/05/11 11:15 PM
3

Yeah, that bit jumped out at me too.
/r/MensRights18/05/11 09:54 PM
1

I would say give them the same sentence it is estimated the man would recieve if convicted.
/r/MensRights17/05/11 03:28 PM
1

Well the guy claimed that, he could have been lying. I found on that case that the court's finding could actually be used as a basis for challenging all child support claims. The court said when I guy cums, he no longer owns the sperm. It is a gift he provides to the woman, and if she chooses to impregnate herself with it, she can. If women own the sperm when a man cums, that means her sperm which she owns got her pregnant, so how can the man owe her anything.
/r/MensRights16/05/11 09:34 PM
4

Haha so much truth.
/r/MensRights16/05/11 09:23 PM
2

I read this story in the paper today, and it struck me as odd. A powerful business man / presidential candidate chases a maid through a hotel. Whilst he's naked. Then tries to rape her. Really?
/r/MensRights16/05/11 08:49 AM
3

http://krauserpua.com/day-game-model/
/r/seduction15/05/11 09:02 AM
1

I think you'd be surprised how much naturals think about stuff. I really think outcome independence means aiming for a certain outcome, but without being emotionally invested on that outcome.
/r/seduction14/05/11 06:50 PM
7

If women don't have an equal shot at getting college degrees like the author makes out, why are more women than men each year graduating from college with a degree?
/r/MensRights25/04/11 10:46 AM
1

Sound's like the other guy over reacted if he leaped across the table and grabbed you. He could have just come and told you. I probably (I say probably because I can't say 100% for sure until it happens to me) would have pushed his hands off me and told him not to touch me, acknowledged she had a bf, then started talking to the girl, trying to ignore him as much as possible. To be honest this guy should have been having a go at the girl, not you. She was the one at fault. As for you escalating a…
/r/seduction24/04/11 06:20 PM
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Women are a lot more submissive and open to being led than men are, so although it might annoy you, the same doesn't apply to a girl. Having said that, saying "Why don't you give me your number" vs just handing her the phone probably doesn't make a huge difference like people on Seddit think it does. If he had attraction and a little comfort with the girls he probably would have gotten their numbers by asking the way he did.
/r/seduction23/04/11 11:17 PM
1

You've got to stop worrying about being creepy. In the 60 years of challenge book the guy says you have to 'Risk Creepy'. When you're miscalibrated in the beginning you'll sometimes be thought of as creepy by girls. It doesn't matter. I recently learned that a girl telling you not to touch her doesn't feel too bad. You should be getting blown out a fair amount when you are new for escalating on girls when they aren't into you. Don't play it safe. Read up on the Dicarlo escalationion ladder (goog…
/r/seduction23/04/11 09:52 AM
1

So what is that, according to Tyler? It really left me confused. The message in this video is that you will act in subtly different ways with girls who you think in your own mind you are attractive enough to pull vs girls you think in your own mind are too hot for you. It is much easier to bed a girl you feel 'entitled' to fuck.
/r/seduction23/04/11 09:28 AM
1

I only found out what 4/20 was today from an American girl I'm seeing, it made me lol. I think this is a good idea, don't see why it was downvoted. As for the girl saying she doesn't like it, there's no downside to sending this to sets that have eventually evaporated.
/r/seduction20/04/11 11:40 PM
1

Otherwise intelligent individuals seem ready to drop all of their principles regarding justice in modern society just becaue they really, really dislike rapists. This is what it comes down to. People think it's OK to abandon objectivity and logic in favor of emotion when rape is being discussed. The juxtaposition of the rights of accused terrorists vs the rights of accused rapists is interesting, and reveled a lot of hypocrisy.
/r/MensRights20/04/11 01:04 PM
0

Pussy in this sense is more like being called a baby cat. Which are weak and timid.
/r/MensRights20/04/11 12:20 PM
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Women want equality in the eyes of the law, same as us. Yeah, they often protest about being excluded from the draft.
/r/MensRights20/04/11 12:18 PM
3

http://www.krauserpua.com http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tom+torero&aq=f http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFjAb-fvzPs
/r/seduction19/04/11 06:27 PM
4

Sound's like he took running a lair waaaay to seriously.
/r/seduction19/04/11 12:32 PM
1

To be honest, this was partly down to gender but also a lot of it was down to the way in which she acted. People stealing something don't generally ask passers by for help, so the fact she asked for help instead of acting furtive suggests she isn't stealing it.
/r/MensRights19/04/11 09:21 AM
1

Ok, we'll do the same for false rape accusations too. If any women claiming rape can't prove she was raped she gets sentenced for a false accusation.
/r/MensRights19/04/11 08:36 AM
1

Building on this point is something 60 Years of Challenge says about escalation anxiety in his ebook. When you're talking to a girl and want to escalate, visualise fucking her. Make it so vivid that you get a boner. It's so much easier to escalate when you've got a boner.
/r/seduction18/04/11 02:15 PM
5

I gave up masturbating for a few days because I heard it helped with game by making you more sociable, and more likely to approach women. Then when I fclosed I prematurely ejaculated. A double edged sword it would seem.
/r/seduction17/04/11 04:12 AM
-1

Very situation dependent. A fairly safe reply could be, "don't fish for compliments"
/r/seduction17/04/11 04:07 AM
0

Yeah, people on Seddit seem to think you need to be high energy to be a good PUA. To me high energy is often people just compensating for a lack of charisma.
/r/seduction15/04/11 09:55 PM
2

If you both arrange to meet at a certain time, she doesn't show up without warning you before hand, then texts asking what you're up to instead of apologizing for flaking, and you don't call her out on it? WTF. It does of course depend what arrangements where made. If you were out with friends and said she could tag along but she doesn't come, that's no big deal. If you two were meant to meet for drinks and you traveled maybe 30 mins to get there, then that's a bit of a deal.
/r/seduction15/04/11 09:28 AM
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I don't like the whole attitude of pretending in your reply that the flake never happened. This is where I disagree with some PUA stuff. A girl flakes on you then texts you later asking what your up to? She's taking the piss here, call her out on it. If your a strong minded man who sets boundaries on how people treat him, you don't put up with this bs. I wouldn't get really angry with her. Not replying might seem childish like you're in a mood over it.
/r/seduction14/04/11 11:32 PM
1

My reaction when this happened on a day2 the other week was, "What, seriously?". Better than looking heartbroken, but probably not as good as carrying on like nothing happened.
/r/seduction14/04/11 11:16 PM
2

Sound's like he's an approach monkey. Approaching is just saying hello. It needs doing, sure, but it's what comes after that that gets you laid. Approaching then ejecting soon after is no good.
/r/seduction14/04/11 11:51 AM
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I'm ready to start asking some hot girls what time it is. Do you think that would be a dumb to do that in a bar? Not really. Your in a bar. You want to know the time... Alternatively just ask where the toilets are. Plus I think he meant to do this during the day.
/r/seduction14/04/11 08:53 AM
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He feels the need to tell her because he is insecure about it. This will come across.
/r/seduction14/04/11 08:51 AM
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No, don't tell her. Wouldn't she'd be able to tell that I'm not very experienced? I'm not hung up on this HB and don't necessarily want a relationship out of this, or even another date. If you just want to lose your virginity and just want another date, who cares if you're shit in bed? By the time she realises you'll already have achieved your goal. Telling her this will communicate insecurity on your part which could blow it for you. There are no positives in telling her. Considering how we end…
/r/seduction14/04/11 12:06 AM
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I've seen guys who open regularly but never get laid. Like you mention, escalation and closing is where it's at. Closers win the game.
/r/seduction13/04/11 11:32 PM
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Be cool (ie well dressed and not a social retard) Approach Have good non verbals Make reasonable conversation (don't have to be mind blowingly interesting) Escalate abd close or get blown out. Never eject wondering what if... If a guy's not getting laid regularly, I can guarantee you it's because he's not doing all these things regularly.
/r/seduction13/04/11 11:29 PM
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Yeah, I was thinking of interviewing a woman's volleyball team in the locker room.
/r/MensRights12/04/11 12:38 PM
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By the time your 30 or 40 it's a man's market. I'm almost 30 and I think this is true. Women in their early / mid twenties will look up to me and respect me more than when I was younger. Women my own age will have to take me out and buy me dinner if they want sex. Women's beauty rapidly declines at 30.
/r/seduction12/04/11 09:21 AM
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Thanks.
/r/seduction11/04/11 10:41 PM
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The theory goes like this... As a girl gets more and more attracted, turned-on, horny, etc, she will hit a point where she basically just wants cock. There are "vultures" who just let girls in clubs get their buying temperature up super high from other guys and then swoop in and steal them at the last minute. It's a real phenomenon and I've seen it in both the USA and Japan which leads me to think it's universal. I heard Tyler Durden talk about this, and it does seem to be true. I think you can …
/r/seduction11/04/11 12:54 PM
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Another thing I'm worried about is that if I am the aggressor, will I only attract beta guys? Pretty much. You'd be acting with strong masculine polarity, which would attract men with strong feminine polarity. If you're sexually escalating faster than the guy (unless you're going really fast) then chances are the guy will never be naturally aggressive/dominant?
/r/seduction11/04/11 10:58 AM
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That's only two sets, and in both of them you had bad luck. Stop being such a cry baby and open more sets.
/r/seduction10/04/11 05:07 PM
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Got to agree with you on the turning down sex thing being a chump move. Given that the guy's a virgin, I think his friend would understand a change of plans. Also, bros before hoes doesn't apply when you know you're going to get laid. That rule is only for when you're seeing a girl you've already fucked for a while and she tries to make you change your plans with your guy friends to see her. I disagree with the not texting her back that night. He's already turned her down for sex, so he should b…
/r/seduction10/04/11 05:04 PM
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The majority of pick up is body language and kino. Which you cannot hear. You could replicate his conversation down to every little detail, but if you don't escalate the way he does, you're going to get an entirely different response. This is the main point. The key's to pickup are: Body language Eye contact Vocal tone and pacing Facial expression The verbal stuff is way behind all of those. Human being were fucking long before language came along.
/r/seduction07/04/11 11:41 PM
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Agreed. I've learned so much about daygame by watching infields, there aren't any for bargame.
/r/seduction07/04/11 11:41 PM
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It's really hard to say from the fr. She seems like maybe she gets nervous around new people. Things seemed to start off going ok for you, and she seemed to be interested. Then you hit on topics she didn't like, for example saying she was quiet. When it was obvious she didn't like this, instead of cutting the thread you pushed on with the topic, which probably made her uneasy and made her think you were a dick. The whole arrogant thing may have been a shit test. If it was you failed it by engagi…
/r/seduction07/04/11 01:07 AM
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Not sure I'm qualified to answer that. I suppose if no one ever wants to hang round with you then you may be odd. At the same time you do have to realise that if you are an individual with a strong personality, not everyone will like you. Or is none of this relevant as long as you yourself believe you're the shit? No, some people are deluded. If you're odd and you think you're awesome other people won't magically think you're awesome.
/r/seduction06/04/11 02:26 AM
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In daygame I try and transition by asking about their nationality, an item of their clothing, etc, e.g.: "You have the bad girl look with that leather jacket, but you've got such an innocent face. What's going on there? Are you a bad girl gone wrong?" "You must be Brazilian, right?"
/r/seduction06/04/11 02:21 AM
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I'd go with something situational. For a cashier it could be, "I'm good... Have you been working long today?". I a club / bar it might be, "I'm good... what brings you guys out tonight?"
/r/seduction06/04/11 02:15 AM
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I was thinking about this, because why some people are odd and others aren't is an important part of social dynamics and game. I came to the conclusion that nothing he said was actually that odd, it was all non verbal: His dress, body language, facial expressions, voice tonality. Just goes to show how important non verbals are.
/r/seduction06/04/11 02:13 AM
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It's pretty clear why this happens. He's not asserting dominance. Asking what the girl wants to do will turn her away. She doesn't want to make that decision. Agreed. For the second girl: should've told her when he's free and let her know what he'll be up to. Not so sure. When scheduling dates you need to know two things: when she's free and when you're free. You already know when you're free, so now you need to ask her when you're free.
/r/seduction06/04/11 02:08 AM
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Agreed. It sucks when it happens to you, but you learn to accept it. I do this myself. Last week a guy watched me doing a daygame approach, then came over after the set and asked me if I was a PUA. We got chatting, and sarged together for an hour. At the end of the hour I had come to realise he came across as a bit odd. He asked if we could meet up again. I said sure and took his number. I won't be calling him, because he's odd. Its far easier to do that than tell him I think he's odd and I neve…
/r/seduction06/04/11 02:05 AM
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taking the high road What do you mean by this?
/r/seduction01/04/11 12:59 PM
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I agree with this. I think having a goal of getting rejected by every woman can backfire, with people finding a way to happen. The goal should be for each and every set to end in one of 4 ways: You fuck the girl The girl rejects you You decide you don't want to fuck the girl You get cockblocked by a third party / external event The first is the number 1 aim, but all 4 sets should end this way, to ensure they don't end the 5th way. The 5th way is the PUA wannabe doesn't know how to / is too scare…
/r/seduction31/03/11 01:54 PM
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And some random girl is not worth a fight You wouldn't have been fighting over the girl. You would have been fighting over the way that the guy treated you, which was disrespectful. The defining characteristic of beta: conflict avoidance. The defining characteristic of alphas: relishing the chance to enter into open conflict with others. Note: When I say conflict, I don't mean just violence.
/r/seduction31/03/11 01:09 PM
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You mean you're going to bring kettle corn (corn chips??) to her work because she mentioned she likes them? Please don't, it's beta.
/r/seduction30/03/11 10:48 PM
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There's nothing wrong with tapping someone on the shoulder when approaching. If the set is a 3 set+ the girls will probably be standing in a circle with their backs facing outwards, making approaching from the front hard. Most guys (AFCs) lean in and start a conversation in this situation. It's much better to tap them, get their full attention, then open.
/r/seduction30/03/11 12:20 PM
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Women do more shopping and gossiping. Really?
/r/MensRights28/03/11 04:23 AM
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I have started regularly approaching women in the street (hence the screen name day gamer. Game being the art of picking up women, the day part means I do it during the day on the street). I don't shout at them, I just tap them on the arm and tell them I find them attractive, and I want to chat to them. I've had a date with a stunning women as a result of this. Femisnists would lump this under the heading of harassment along with groping. This is their trick. They are basically saying what I do …
/r/MensRights28/03/11 04:15 AM
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I just think of it in my head like it's me and a male friend going to the movies. If he asked me to pay for him I'd laugh and ask if he's on benefits or something. Never pay for a woman's time. You may lose the odd girl over this, but fuck 'em.
/r/seduction28/03/11 12:03 AM
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Fair enough. It sounds like you know where your own weak points are. Sounds like your best prep work for this is to do lots of approaches. If you can't approach much when your out with this guy, you won't get a lot out of it.
/r/seduction24/03/11 11:16 PM
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Also, don't dismiss rapport building and escalation! Opening and attracting is easy once you internalize it. The mid and late stage stuff is where the game is won or lost. True. In many of the field reports I read on here, I keep getting the impression that many sedditors are opening and getting attraction in sets, but then get 'stuck' in the attraction stage, never moving the set forward.
/r/seduction24/03/11 07:50 PM
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This is the truth. Men are programmer to want to fuck any female he's even a little but attracted to (the only exception is if you spent a lot of time with the girl as children. This leads to sexual desire for that person being blocked as a biological safeguard against incest). When ever a guy I know introduces me to a stunning female friend and tells me that they are just friends and he doesn't see her in a sexual way, I always laugh my ass of at him.
/r/seduction24/03/11 03:01 PM
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Here's an example of a set I managed to hook the other day on a busy shopping street, but then managed to completely shaft when I should have been able to close. Girl goes by, I give chase. I slow down as I come up beside her and into her peripheral vision. I turn to face her. I tap her on the arm: Me: Excuse me. She stops but she's still facing away from me, like she's about to carry on walking off. She's talking to me over her shoulder. Me: Can I just say something to you. Her: Go on then... M…
/r/seduction24/03/11 11:55 AM
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Make your questions something she can answer with personal life experience This is so true. In daygame you really need to hook a girl faster than in bargame (you often only have a few seconds). The best way to do this I am learning is to say something that resonates with her, rather than something generic. This can be tough, and is what I'm struggling with at the moment.
/r/seduction24/03/11 11:13 AM
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I have to agree with the forgetting magic bullets idea. I messed around with that stuff for the best part of six months and didn't even get a single phone number. Since I've started just focusing on acting confidently and going after what I want (a date) I've started to get dates and numbers, and this is all despite having huge approach anxiety.
/r/seduction23/03/11 04:48 PM
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If you want more detailed information about this, I really recommend the book 'Mastery' by George Leonard. It's about how to effectively master new skills, and the process of learning them. Whatever skill you learn (pickup, martial arts, flying a plane) the learning process is often the same, and as mentioned progress usually follows a pattern of upward spurt / dip / plateau / upward spurt / dip / plateau. The reason most people fail to learn a new skill like pickup is because they expect progre…
/r/seduction23/03/11 10:53 AM
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It depends on context. Daygame basically means any cold approach which doesn't happen at a bar / club / party. This could be in a shop, on the bus walking down the street. I generally open girls as they are walking down the street, and I go direct on them.
/r/seduction23/03/11 10:21 AM
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PPS : OTOH once the girl starts the conversation, I can hold it decently well. This tells me you have conversational skills, you just don't like starting the conversation. You have AA (approach anxiety), which just means your nervous about approaching a girl and starting a conversation. The only way to get over this is to go out and do it. Have a few general purpose canned openers, and a few ideas for conversational threads to help you out, then get to it.
/r/seduction20/03/11 10:09 AM
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Plowing is a tool used for one of two purposes: To stop newbies who eject too early from sets from doing so. New guys take the tinyest thing to mean they've been rejected when they haven't. You should still eject if explicitly rejected. This way you know you haven't ejected too early. Some women take a couple of minutes to warm to you. Sometimes you need to plow for a couple of minutes. I never aim to make a women uncomfortable by hitting on them, but my aim is for them to either fuck me or expl…
/r/seduction20/03/11 01:13 AM
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I think you fucked this up quite badly. You really come off as spending the entire set trying to win some frame control battle that only exists in your own head. If you were on a first date and she's there texting, then yes that would be bad. In a bar, as part of a group, when you've just met her? This just isn't a problem. Girls will often text in situations like this. No need to comment on it at all. She is very flirty She wants to know what I do for a living Within a few minute HB7 joins us W…
/r/seduction20/03/11 12:20 AM
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Makes me laugh how she posts to facebook how lame it is that some guy asks for her facebook. And she fails to see the irony.
/r/seduction14/03/11 10:33 PM
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This is true. Social gives you opportunities to be sexual. I think Tyler's point is that people should only post techniques that lead to sex, not just stuff which can make girls laugh. For example, you can get a lot of air time in a set by being non sexually threatening. It's better to get blown out often but getting laid in most the sets that stick, then having a really high hook rate but non of those sets ever going sexual.
/r/seduction09/03/11 04:16 PM
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TL;DR But... 7 messages is too small of a sample size to get your knickers in a twist over. Send 50, and if you get less than 8 - 10 replies, then you may have a problem. Don't ever say 'Hey how's it going?'. A hot girl gets 100+ messages a week saying this. It's standard chode message. Personalize the message to each girl's profile (both the message and the title). Now I'll try to fill out this box a bit. I am new to exactly this way of meeting new people, so I haven't exactly tried to write do…
/r/seduction09/03/11 02:03 PM
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I just don't like how he is implying that unless your advice leads to a lay then it isn't worthwhile. Most of us agree seddit isn't just about sex, it is about building a more social life. Because social and sexual are different things.
/r/seduction09/03/11 01:34 PM
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I think many guys have an image in their mind of how they want seduction to be. This image is irrelevant. All that matters is what actually works in the field.
/r/seduction09/03/11 12:56 PM
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Adam Lyons' work on Entourage Game and Social Proof game. All based on MM, just focusing on some of the concepts (social proof / preselection) David Wygant and Love Systems' continuing work on day game. I don't read Wygant but all love systems stuff (even the daygame) is basically MM, with minor modifications. Jeffy & Tyler from RSD's whole "beasting in the club" stuff. Don't know what this is, but RSD basically just seem to take other people's ideas, rename them so they sound cool instead of sc…
/r/seduction07/03/11 05:23 PM
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It's mentioned heavily in the book, 'The Game'. it's the forum they all used, but I think the name is changed in the book so they didn't get 100,000 noobs signing up after the book was released.
/r/seduction07/03/11 05:12 PM
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If I do help him, the stuff that I have him do (all of which I did) will with out a doubt in my mind make his sister never want to see me again. I like her, a lot. If she can't accept you after finding out you learnt pickup, then you can't go longterm with her. My ex gf found out I did game / pua and even found some posts I made to a seduction forum. She didn't stop seeing me.
/r/seduction04/03/11 12:20 AM
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Maybe this could be reduced to a general rule: if she's not with you, don't buy her a drink. If she's with you, go ahead and buy her one. It should be reduced to: "Buying a girl a drink (or anything else for that matter) for the purpose of winning her sexual favor or getting her attention is low value behavior. If your motivation for buying her a drink is not that, then it's OK.
/r/seduction28/02/11 01:52 PM
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It's very true, state is overrated. I think the biggest point he makes is that guys use it as a crutch to get over their lack of skill / self esteem. In addition to this state often makes you think you're doing a lot better than you are at pickup. I've seen guys who are clearly in state chatting to a girl. She's clearly not into him, but because he's in state he sees everything as positive and doesn't notice the negative signals she's giving off. This does not help with him spotting his sticking…
/r/seduction28/02/11 01:39 PM
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I agree with most of what you said, except the part about driving him around. I’m always driving him around. I don’t mind in the circumstances (4 a.m. on a cold night) or whatever, but he doesn’t seem to appreciate that it puts me in a superior position (i.e. I’m the driver and he’s the passenger). This is not true. Think of the businessman who is chauffeured around. Do you really think the chauffeur is in a superior position in that situation? I don't drive so girls often drive me around (I liv…
/r/seduction28/02/11 01:12 PM
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Flirting to get free drinks in a bar (or to get any other favor) Using shaming language to get a man to act in a way they want him too (e.g. you're not a real man if you don't do this). Throwing emotional fits just to see how you will react. People whine about knocking girl's confidence with negs, yet accept that those same girls are going to try and knock their confidence with shit tests. When you learn about game you will see much sly manipulation in women's behavior which you didn't notice be…
/r/seduction27/02/11 11:08 PM
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I admire your attitude, but I can't emulate it. From my perspective, when a woman rejects me she believes she can do better. When 90% of women reject me, it means I must rank very low on looks There is so much wrong with this limiting belief and it's holding you back: Looks aren't the biggest attribute girls look for in a guy If you opened 9 HB6s/7s and got rejected but then number close a HB9, you still are getting rejected 90% of the time, but do you still think you rank low on looks seeing as…
/r/seduction17/02/11 02:58 AM
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No. He wouldn't be consciously trying to lower her value, he'd just disregard her beauty since he sleeps with lots of beautiful women. Think of George Clooney. He meets a model at a party. On hearing she's a model he jokes, "Another model... you lot are everywhere". This could be considered a neg, and would have that effect, but he wouldn't be trying to lower her value, it's just he meets and fucks models all the time.
/r/seduction16/02/11 09:25 PM
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Too all the people who say negging is teasing, it isn't and this has been covered in a previous thread. If you have a grin on your face whilst delivering a neg, you're doing it wrong. Example of me negging a girl I met of an internet dating site: "You look different in real life to your profile picture". To work this has to be delivered deadpan and needs to be a throwaway comment. See can't see that you're looking for a reaction. The result of this neg is that she'll be wondering what you meant.…
/r/seduction16/02/11 12:18 AM
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'Value' when used on seddit usually refers to a person's survival / replication value (generally replication value for a woman, generally survival value for a man). 'Value' is not an indication of a person's worth in any moral sense. Based on this meaning of the word, the hot playboy model who is a complete bitch will always be higher value than the homely girl who's very nice and does lots of charity work.
/r/seduction15/02/11 11:58 PM
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Teasing is used for making the conversation fun and spiking the girl's buying temperature. Negging is used to demonstrate you aren't in awe of her beauty.
/r/seduction15/02/11 11:53 PM
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Neg's are designed to lower her value so she will be "cut down" a peg so to speak. This is just wrong, why would a confident guy need to do this? A confident guy would probably neg a girl without even knowing what a neg was.
/r/seduction15/02/11 11:51 PM
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"I don't make you feel old do I? I don't think you're old." Reframe with neg, but might be hitting too much of a sensitive spot here.
/r/seduction15/02/11 01:36 PM
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Thanks for this. I have seen everyone of these rules broken, often epically, by people who have studied pickup.
/r/seduction14/02/11 08:39 PM
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You have fear of showing a woman your sexual intent towards her.
/r/seduction13/02/11 09:58 PM
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He's actually an mPUA. Those girls are 8s at best and his minimum standard is a 9, so no kino.
/r/seduction11/02/11 05:26 PM
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Yes, I never said it wasn't. I said negging and teasing are different.
/r/seduction11/02/11 10:11 AM
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Neg, aka flirting. It's playful busting on one another and no big deal. No, you're talking about teasing, which is different from negging.
/r/seduction10/02/11 09:56 AM
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The whole asking explicitly for consent thing is a giant shit test. Only very beta men would ever do this, so it's a good way for women to get men to disqualify themselves.
/r/seduction10/02/11 09:56 AM
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this friend was too unattractive for my wingman to accept It's still his job to keep her occupied. He doesn't have to fuck her.
/r/seduction08/02/11 01:07 PM
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A text straight after a date is a great sign. I just find it odd she brought two people along. It implies she wasn't comfortable being alone with you. That could just mean you hadn't built enough comfort yet. All you can do is try and get her out on a second date. If she agrees and comes alone this time, then it's on.
/r/seduction04/02/11 03:07 PM
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You detest it why?
/r/seduction03/02/11 04:22 PM
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Upvoted. A good wing can make all the difference. Bad wings will actually AMOG / cock block you, which is fucking awful.
/r/seduction01/02/11 08:53 PM
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She may make the choices, but the way a guy acts heavily influences those choices. Oh, and attraction isn't a choice.
/r/seduction31/01/11 03:25 PM
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This is true. I think some people massively underestimate how long it can take to sort out your inner game though. If you start out an introvert with loads of negative / limiting beliefs then you have a lot of work to do. Knowing something to be true on a logical level is not enough for inner game. You must instinctively believe it to be true. Takes time.
/r/seduction30/01/11 11:33 AM
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An orbiter is someone who only has contact with a girl because he wants to fuck her, and he will often do lots of favours for the girl, to the extent that she just uses him for these favours.
/r/seduction30/01/11 11:28 AM
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There is some good advice in this comments, but no one has addressed the inner game issue here. You say your game is great except going for the kiss. This tells me that for you, going for the kiss represents getting validation from the girl. If you get the kiss you feel validated because it shows you are attractive to women. I think you need to reframe the kiss: The kiss allows you to work out whether you're going to be able to move the set forward to an fclose, or whether she's not interested s…
/r/seduction29/01/11 07:30 PM
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Sometimes I feel like a lot of videos are fake. They'll be in a crowded street full of people, but we'll be able to hear perfect audio from many angles. Many people use two cameras. One spy camera worn on them, usually at around lapel level. This captures close up video and audio. The second shot is usually done using a small camcorder at a distance, taken by the guys wing. People then create videos showing footage of the second camera with audio from the first camera.
/r/seduction29/01/11 04:42 PM
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I haven't done anything about it though because I just feel like maybe it would be morally wrong for me to be involved with her. Morally wrong? FFS, what are you on about. Most girls are ready for sex way before this age. In big western cities most 21 year old girls have probably had more sexual partners than the average sedditor.
/r/seduction28/01/11 01:47 PM
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arrogance is the most unattractive trait So arrogant guys get laid less than shy needy guys then. Yeah, right...
/r/seduction28/01/11 01:38 PM
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3 out of 30 is pretty good. I do get girls that sometimes don't stop, but more often than not they do.
/r/seduction26/01/11 07:21 PM
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Excuse me, I want to say something to you... I just saw you walking by and you really grabbed my attention. I'm thinking why that is. True you're pretty, but I've seen many pretty girls today. Then I realized. There's something about you that makes you look like a character out of a computer game (got the computer game idea from someone further up the thread).
/r/seduction26/01/11 09:52 AM
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60 Years of Challenge I want to read that but I've banned myself from reading any more pickup material for a while as I want to focus on getting out there and doing it.
/r/seduction26/01/11 03:49 AM
1

Real Social Dynamics. Tyler Durdens PUA company.
/r/seduction26/01/11 03:49 AM
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I had this problem in many sets after I had been doing indirect bar game. Your underlying problem isn't not knowing how to close, it's fear of rejection. Specifically fear of showing sexual intent and being rejected because of it. When you open you don't fear rejection because you're going indirect and in so doing not making any sexual advances which can then be rejected by the girl. I think the best way to overcome this is to start going direct instead of indirect in some of your sets. Go up to…
/r/seduction26/01/11 03:47 AM
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Deny all knowledge, unless you're an mPUA with a successful seduction company, in which case it becomes a DHV. I wouldn't (couldn't!) do the whole white knight thing. Just make out like you don't know and talk about something else.
/r/seduction26/01/11 01:35 AM
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Ok, sending out meet details to everyone who has replied to this. After we have our first meet we can set up the lair.
/r/seduction26/01/11 01:29 AM
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Can you give us a list of a few of the biggest / most common sticking points you have seen guys who are learning PUA having, and some tips on how to get past them. Also any info on how to identify ones own sticking points would be good.
/r/seduction25/01/11 04:53 PM
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How long do you think it takes for the average guy who sticks at it to get good at pickup? To clarify: By good I mean being able to fclose one HB6+ for every 20 / 30 sets opened By average I mean someone who is slightly shy around women / new people, but is basically normal guy (not a socially miscalibrated fuck wit) By 'how long' I mean more in terms of number of approaches made, rather than s time frame in terms of months. For example it may tak 1000 - 1500 for an average guy to get good.
/r/seduction25/01/11 04:51 PM
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I'm 28, 29 this year. I'm sure that eventually they'll be enough people that they'll be a good choice of wings to sarge with.
/r/seduction25/01/11 09:57 AM
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What's your concern? How old are you?
/r/seduction25/01/11 02:59 AM
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I've mostly been doing daygame at the moment so not as much of an issue. I'm 28, the others I've been out with from Seddit are early 20s. how do you know each other The deepest I've ever gone with that is, "We work together" which was a lie.
/r/seduction25/01/11 02:58 AM
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Someone wrote one, I'll try and find it.
/r/seduction25/01/11 02:57 AM
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A neg is designed to help a man get a girl into bed. A shit test is designed to stop a man getting a girl into bed. Plus you can't fail a neg, so calling it a test wouldn't make sense.
/r/seduction24/01/11 09:16 PM
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I'm sure we can get enough people such that there is enough sarging going on that everyone will have time to get involved. I go out doing day game after work and on the weekends (still overcoming AA though). PM me telling me what areas you can get to and when and I'm sure we can sort something out.
/r/seduction24/01/11 09:00 PM
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It must have taken some serious balls for a UK politician to say that.
/r/MensRights24/01/11 07:15 PM
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I think he's wrong. The other point to make is that, from an evolutionary standpoint, women can't really test men for "alpha" traits because alpha men don't care to pass tests, women's or otherwise. You don't try to pass shit tests, you basically laugh them off. Which is what alphas do. I've had women tell me they like to make fun of a guy, and it's a turn off if he gets defensive, and also that they like to deliberately act up to see if he'll put up with it. Sounds like shit tests...
/r/seduction24/01/11 04:44 PM
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I think it's better to get the right attitude, rather than have set responses to shit tests. When a girl shit tests she's looking to see if the guy has the right attitude / confidence. If you have this then you'll never fail a shit test.
/r/seduction22/01/11 10:12 AM
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Don't be such a White knight.
/r/seduction19/01/11 08:48 PM
2

Tv in the bedroom, watch it in bed. Things became much easier once I figured this trick out.
/r/seduction19/01/11 12:09 PM
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I don't know why you were downvoted. Guys are much likely to get false bf excuses when they go direct.
/r/seduction19/01/11 11:39 AM
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Most famous rappers, in a very caveman way.
/r/seduction17/01/11 08:56 PM
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Magic Bullets, Mystery Method, Juggler method (can't remember the exact name of the book), The sixteen commandments of poon. There is no one piece of text that can explain game theory, because there are differing views on what constitutes good game.
/r/seduction17/01/11 08:36 PM
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You don't respond to people like this at all. Pickup isn't a religion where you have to convert people in order to win the age old battle for all human souls. If people think it's rubbish then fine. It's actually better for us, as it keeps the average standard of the competition lower.
/r/seduction17/01/11 08:11 PM
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He's turning up for a date, not making a cold approach.
/r/seduction17/01/11 10:55 AM
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This is the only comment I disagreed with. You you're going on a date with someone, you face them when you meet them.
/r/seduction16/01/11 09:19 PM
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I always thought UFC fighters must be swimming in a sea of pussy. He must get laid just from being on TV, although if he wasn't he'd be in trouble.
/r/seduction16/01/11 09:18 PM
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Sounds like an easy dancefloor kclose to me. When a girls grinding on you like that just go in for the kiss. It's very unlikely to be refused, but at the same time she probably won't initiate the kiss herself. As the man, that's your job. After the kiss close you need to pull he off the dance floor to chat to her, build comfort and get her to invest. Since the logistics are fucked your end, you could subtly find out about the logistics of going back to hers by asking where she's staying. This si…
/r/seduction16/01/11 03:15 PM
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This is a shit test, pure and simple. She is testing to see whether you'll put up with being treated like this. Tell her not to do it. Be playful at first. If she continues, be more firm about it. Although PUAs often say to always be playful, sometimes a girl wants to know you can be serious. If she fails to comply, walk out on her. If you don't you are excepting a beta position which will impact your self esteem, long into the future. Have more self respect than to let a girl treat you like thi…
/r/seduction14/01/11 10:05 PM
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You are failing to seperate yourself from problems you have. Problems are something that people have and can overcome, they do not define a person. As soon as you start defining yourself as your problems (e.g. I am boring as opposed to I want to add better experiences to my life and learn better conversational skills) you negatively shape your self image. If your self image is that you are humorless, then you will be humorless. Is there any way that I can "fix" myself? You don't need fixing. It'…
/r/seduction14/01/11 01:45 PM
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I am a girl, and I can confirm: humor is the sexiest thing a guy can have. Don't listen to her. Girls often rationalize their attraction for guys by saying it's because the guy is funny. I have had girls say they are with me because of my sense of humor, when there are far funnier guys she knows who she isn't attracted to.
/r/seduction14/01/11 10:31 AM
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Prvt Msg either myself or SupremeCmdr with your mobile number.
/r/seduction14/01/11 10:28 AM
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I'll be there, hitting up the West End Saturday morning too.
/r/seduction13/01/11 11:52 PM
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Relevant: http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/01/11/just-say-something/
/r/seduction13/01/11 12:10 PM
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LOL I missed both of those. It always comes down to a 3 hour cleaning spree when you realise you're probably going to end up bringing a new girl home the next day / later that day. As for the second one, meh. I'll sleep when I'm dead. More hours awake means more stuff gets done. I drink energy drinks during the week and sleep in on Sundays with a gf.
/r/seduction13/01/11 12:35 AM
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People rip on online game, and I don't think it can compare to the success cold approach can bring, but it' really good for getting lots of dates (and lays) from moderately attractive women.
/r/seduction12/01/11 04:55 PM
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Give me your number I like the way you told her to give you your number instead of asking for it. I think I've missed this in some online stuff I've done. I would added a little bit of mild teasing, and try and get her emotions engaged a bit, but this could be overkill via online messaging. Maybe best just to #close first like you did.
/r/seduction12/01/11 04:54 PM
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I very rarely read any number below 5 in an FR These girls are almost invisible to guys. We just don't think of them sexually so we don't even bother scoring them. I remember once in a bar saying to a wing, "The girls always seem so hot. Where are all the ugly girls?". "You block them out" he replied. Just as he said that I realized that there were a group of 4s/5s at the bar that I hadn't noticed. Point proven. Also realize that the 1 - 10 scale includes all adult women. This includes say, a 70…
/r/seduction12/01/11 04:07 PM
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Epiphany #3 No amount of game will make up for a shitty lifestyle. I think this is important. You can't live your day today life like a socially inept loser then expect to suddenly become a super pimp when you hit the club on Friday / Saturday night. Going out sarging is always good, right action and a good place to start, but don't neglect working on other areas of your life completely; build your career and build your social life. This is something I'm working on at the moment. Epiphany #5 You…
/r/seduction12/01/11 03:54 PM
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There is a famous self help book about overcoming fear that I am starting to read called 'Feel the Fear and do it anyway'. In one of the early chapters, the author lists five truths about fear. I believe the fifth truth is the one you have just discovered on your own: Pushing through fear is far less frightening than living with the underlying fear that comes from a feeling of helplessness.
/r/seduction11/01/11 07:41 PM
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Yes, but it was a long time ago. I wasn't even aware of the seduction community back then. I know it sounds cheesy, but these days breaking a girl's heart is actually a bigger concern for me.
/r/seduction11/01/11 07:05 PM
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If a woman is both attractive and intelligent, you can make the inference that she's already not buying in to certain parts of that consumer mindset. So to even try to play a soft dominance game, being protective in an inappropriate context, is foolish because it still has the scent of a sales pitch. The vaginas of both intelligent and stupid women tend to moisten at much the same things. Women tend not to use their intelligence when it comes to getting it on with men, as this is an emotional th…
/r/seduction11/01/11 05:05 PM
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To be fair, this is legal anywhere that abortion is legal, is it not? It's just not pointed out. Not quite. If I'm right, in the UK the doctor doing the abortion can only do it if the quality of the women's life and her current children's life will be massively negatively impacted by her giving birth. If she wanted an abortion based on gender, a doctor could claim that because she's obviously willing to have a child of a certain gender, he cannot do the abortion because having the kid obviously …
/r/MensRights11/01/11 03:05 PM
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Friendzoned maybe too, but I was actually more thinking about the girl deciding she's not interested because you are too good for her, so giving up on you so save her ego from rejection. After a girl has qualified to you and shown you IOIs you do need to make a SOI (statement of interest) to let her know that her amorous feelings towards you are reciprocated. This can take many forms: Kiss close, telling her you're looking forward to fucking her, asking her out on a date and making it obvious it…
/r/seduction11/01/11 01:13 PM
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That all might be appropriate for a relationship that's been established for a few months, but initially, doing that would be creepy as hell. Not if done subtly. You're not aiming to come off as emotionally dependent and massively protective of her. It wouldn't come off as creepy to ask her how she's getting home from the club om the first night that you met her, out of concern for her safety, and that would be soft dominance.
/r/seduction11/01/11 12:23 PM
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Once you've built attraction and qualified her, you need to tone down the teasing and make your intentions clear. If you fail to do this at this stage, you will either come off as a pussy or as messing her around. Either way, it could kill it. There comes a time in every set where you shamelessly have to let her know you want her. I learned this the hard way.
/r/seduction10/01/11 08:20 PM
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this behavior IS predatory Labeling a man who does this as predatory implies that the girls somehow have something to lose by fucking the man. As long as the man is careful enough to ensure he doesn't get the young girl pregnant (although she is also partly responsible for this herself) then the girl loses nothing by having consensual sex with the older man. You're mindset is twisted because you assume sex takes something away from a girl.
/r/seduction10/01/11 03:16 PM
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It's always the evil man's fault, because women / girls can't make up their own mind...
/r/seduction10/01/11 12:13 PM
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One way is to walk along side them and open. You match their pace, and as the opener hooks you start to slow down. Generally they slow down with you and stop when you stop. The best technique, because it's bolder is to run up beside them and slightly ahead of them. Tap them on the arm and say excuse me, then quickly swing around in front of them and deliver the opener. You literally block their path. It requires good vocal tone to pull off, like you expect them to stop. Have made it work a few t…
/r/seduction09/01/11 08:41 PM
1

The likelihood you'll have something to talk about to a total stranger is minuscule. Which is why being able to have an engaging conversation with a stranger is an important PUA skill.
/r/seduction09/01/11 08:40 PM
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When it's dark, everyone goes into evening mode I think No, it's environment that determines this (e.g. bar vs street).
/r/seduction08/01/11 04:38 PM
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Depends when she says it. At a certain point in the set, your answer should be a completely serious 'Yes'. Delivered properly this will shock her a little bit, but in a good way.
/r/seduction08/01/11 04:37 PM
1

I can see where you're coming from. You should hang out at biker bars. Or even better, outside prison gates. I think you could pick up bad boys quite easily. You just need to be yourself and go to the right places. Or just smile and shake your head like she's being silly (which she is).
/r/seduction08/01/11 02:53 PM
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I work till 17:30... Can approach girls in Westfield or on Oxford street till 9pm at night
/r/seduction08/01/11 12:05 AM
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The UK recently introduced a law setting the age of consent at 16 for British men travelling in Europe Hmm. I don't like the idea of being constrained by UK laws when I'm not even in the UK.
/r/seduction07/01/11 11:55 AM
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The idea that 16 and 17 year olds are 'children' is a very recent and retarded idea imported from America because of it's usefulness to feminists who want to stop men banging anyone under 35. Truth.
/r/seduction07/01/11 11:54 AM
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So is this guy ridiculously good looking I met him once briefly, and I'd say he's at best average looking. He did about 1000 approaches over the course of a year before fclosing from a street pickup. Now he's pretty good (1 set in 20 leads to fclose I believe).
/r/seduction07/01/11 11:52 AM
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but even I would consider it borderline pedophilia Pedophilia is when men have sex with girls who have not yet passed through puberty. The term has nothing to do with the legal or social views of sex. Having sex with a 15 year old girl in the UK would be illegal (consent is 16), but it's not pedophilia, or even border line. Borderline pedophilia starts at maybe 12 years old.
/r/seduction07/01/11 11:50 AM
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Yes, the book 'The Game' is really what kicked of the seduction community in a big way. The community existed before then but was much smaller (you can actually find Mystery's and Neil Struass' early posts on the mASF forum from years ago when they were figuring this out).
/r/seduction07/01/11 11:43 AM
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You're exactly right with these points. You HAVE to be in control To me, this is the biggest. As soon as the power dynamic shifts in her favor in a relationship, it's so hard to get it back. And soon as she's in control you have lower value than her, which spells the beginning of the end of a relationship. I have had this happen to me. This list is very much like Roissy's 16 commandments of poon.
/r/seduction07/01/11 11:41 AM
1

At times I can be boring. I know logically what you say to be true, it's just I don't yet full believe it. That takes time.
/r/seduction07/01/11 11:31 AM
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I may have a pivot to bring with me, she's like an HB10 (shit you not). I need to convince her into going into central though, which might not be happening since she's skint. The plan was for daygame rather than bar game.
/r/seduction07/01/11 09:46 AM
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I like this, especially the part about routines and how if you created them yourself from your own personality they work well. I think the intent part is hard though. When chatting to HB8+s I find it hard to believe they will fuck me.
/r/seduction06/01/11 09:55 PM
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Interesting. Looks like I'm avoidant and I tend to date anxious girls.
/r/seduction06/01/11 05:30 PM
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Firstly, congratulations on your pickup success. Disclaimer: What I am about to write is based on stuff I've read, not stuff I've put into practice. PUAs typically only think about a girls HB score (1-10) when deciding how to game a girl, but this neglects another important value: her own perception of her value, or her self esteem. Although self esteem is a sliding scale, for simplicity it's best to group them into two categories: high esteem / low esteem. From this we end up with 4 basic categ…
/r/seduction06/01/11 03:59 PM
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Do I ignore her? Do I wait an hour before texting back? Or am I screwed anyway? Shes replying in huge blocks of text and I'm telling her to go out and enjoy herself. She's obviously really into you. The only way you can fuck this up now is buy overthinking things like you are now. Reply to her texts when you have the time. Don't feel the need to reply to each and every text if she's texting too much. Fuck her on your second date.
/r/seduction06/01/11 01:13 PM
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Looking at the weather, I think an indoor venue will be required.
/r/seduction06/01/11 01:07 PM
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http://puarticles.blogspot.com/2008/01/relationship-rules.html
/r/seduction05/01/11 04:04 PM
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Find a vocal coach, they might be able to help.
/r/seduction05/01/11 12:10 AM
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Description of this subreddit, from the sidebar: Dating, relationships and seduction from a male perspective.
/r/seduction05/01/11 12:03 AM
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Roissy has dissected this book already. It's good for catching betas. High value males would just switch their attention to other women if a girl was to start messing them around.
/r/seduction05/01/11 12:02 AM
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To start off, the plant thing was teasing, not negging. You wouldn't crack up at a properly delivered neg. Teasing a guy is fine as it will come off as flirtatious. But proper negging is completely the wrong way to go when picking up a guy. In fact you should do the reverse and stroke his ego rather than seek to deflate it (which is essentially part of what a neg does).
/r/seduction04/01/11 05:03 PM
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I just don't carry myself like a cute girl, and I'm sort of a mess/clown. Changing this will be your biggest win.
/r/seduction04/01/11 04:57 PM
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The "double booking'' is your friend test. No, it was beta bait.
/r/seduction04/01/11 11:30 AM
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Isn't the PUA way to just open the girl anyway, instead of waiting around for definate approach initiations?
/r/seduction04/01/11 10:04 AM
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I think both of your points boil down to the same thing: there is a bad signal to noise ratio in the community. I'd agree with this. The community is very noob centric, as people tend to stop posting once they start getting great success with women. As an aside, I don't think men would go too far wrong with women if they copied James Bond in terms of his body language, voice tonality, and general attitude towards women.
/r/seduction03/01/11 09:00 PM
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I did pretty much the same first date for 3 girls (both in terms of bar hops and routines I ran), and fclosed all of them.
/r/seduction03/01/11 08:54 PM
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"I do, I'm a senior in accounting." "Oh, I'm sorry to hear that," I say with a smile to indicate that I'm joking. She says, "fuck you" as she walks away. Apparently I am bad at playfully teasing. I think that was great. Sometimes it's the girl who's the problem, not you.
/r/seduction02/01/11 12:08 AM
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You haven't actually done that many approaches yet. Maybe around 100 it sounds like. I have seen people crack pickup in 100 approaches, but it takes some people 2000. All depends on the person. Do some daygame throughout the week so you can get more practise in. You really need to identify where you're going wrong. One way to fix this is to get an experienced PUA to watch you in set and give you pointers. This could be invaluable. Another way to do this is analysis. Every 2 weeks analyse your pr…
/r/seduction01/01/11 10:46 PM
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Yeah, cite your sources. Somebody killed someone 50,000 years ago? So that means we living in a patriarchy? lol Read "The Red Queen". The point is there is a lot of hard evidence that back in caveman days the murder rate was very high... not exactly and egalitarian society. Laws. Ha. You're dumb. This is pre-history Human nature is what shapes our sense of morality, and hence our laws. Hard laws against adulterous women is a manifestation of men's concerns about paternity. or go back to r/mensri…
/r/seduction01/01/11 09:27 PM
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I think there's a stage you have to go through though. When all the theory is new to you, you're having to consciously think about everything you do to make sure you're doing it right. This can slow you down / put you in your head so much that pickup noobs can actually do worse with women than before they learned game. Over time many of the concepts become subconscious, so you can have fun and still game correctly.
/r/seduction01/01/11 06:23 PM
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By the sounds of this book it is feminist propaganda. The view on sexuality presented is exactly what most feminists espouse. It's a case of certain people wanting this to be true (eg male dominance over women is socially fabricated, not in our DNA). humans evolved in egalitarian bands were social position was not a major determinant for sexual liaisons with women We never evolved in egalitarian bands. Skeleton records show how much murder took place back in cave man days. Not very egalitarian. …
/r/seduction01/01/11 06:20 PM
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A while ago, you bought women with dinner, flowers and chocolate to show how nice you were. Not anymore, this strategy is so mainstream, it lost its meaning. This strategy didn't lose it's meaning due to it becoming overly popular. Buying flowers / gifts sub communicates that you can provide for her. It worked in a day and age where women required a man who could provide for her, otherwise she would have no hope of a happy life. Now that women make up the majority of the workforce in many wester…
/r/seduction01/01/11 06:09 PM
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Don't overthink it. As soon as you see a girl, just walk up to her and say "hi". Don't worry about openers or anything, just smile and say hi. I have a very simple direct opener in the can and ready to use, so this doesn't plague my thoughts so much. Just 'hi' would work on a stationary girl, but for one that's on the move (this is the type I tend to approach) you need an opener that will kill her momentum. Try to think of it this way: Women love attention. They feed off it, you are doing her a …
/r/seduction31/12/10 03:19 PM
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This sounds interesting. I have always dismissed this as a waste of time, but thinking about it, it could be a good thing. Opening a girl when you haven't been talking to anyone else does seem a bit like plunging head first into a cold river rather than slowly easing your way in and getting used to the tempreature. Which David Wygant materials do you refer to?
/r/seduction31/12/10 01:45 PM
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according to okcupids own stats, the average reply rate for guys is between 2 and three in 10 Is this the average number of replies a guy gets for all messages sent, or just for opening messages? A second message sent to a girl who replied to your first message is going to get replied to a much higher % of the time than an opening message.
/r/seduction31/12/10 12:20 PM
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