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| 15 | A response to a post on r/FeminismI can’t speak for the mods, but I doubt they personally thought you were encouraging brigading. Your post isn’t calling together a pitchfork mob. By your story, you were just citing the source post. However, brigading is a huge risk to this sub. IIRC we were nearly shut down once for claims of brigading. I don’t think they were true. Or at least, no more true than most of Reddit ... but I doubt that mattered. So mods take it exceptionally seriously now. Like a nervous corporate PR team, they can… | /r/MensRights | 15/12/19 10:16 AM |
| 4 | As a "feminist," I'm pleasantly surprised by this subI'm so sorry for those women. Those are some hard stories to hear. I sincerely hope they're doing better. I have this debate with my fiance often, and what we've realized is that the campaign to give men more of a voice tends to drown out sympathy for the plights of women. Any time a situation is brought up, my knee jerk reaction was to cite how it's still statistically better for women than men. Eventually she told me that she just doesn't want to be steamrolled all the time. It makes sense, si… | /r/MensRights | 12/10/17 08:10 AM |
| 8 | My friend blew his brains out yesterdayThat's a fair point. Her claim to have been drugged would require evidence. However, claims vary over cases like this. An argument could have been: "My client was inebriated and claims to have been drugged. Even if you aren't sure that she was drugged, we know she couldn't consent. " etc. etc. I'm just trying to point out that we can't presume there was evidence either since we don't know if he was convicted for drugging her or just rape. And the latter might not require any more evidence. | /r/MensRights | 02/02/16 11:54 PM |
| 9 | My friend blew his brains out yesterdayConsider this. If she 'cannot consent' while drunk and he admits they were both drunk when they had sex, then that's all the proof necessary. What you could be looking at is a question of interpretation, not evidence. | /r/MensRights | 02/02/16 10:35 PM |
| 3 | Feminists try to explain why, in a movement claiming to be fighting for equality, men's rights and issues are not allowed to be discussed.basically ball less chumps In a sub about men's rights, it might be helpful to avoid male shaming language. You're perpetuating one evil as a tool to criticize another. | /r/MensRights | 11/04/15 02:33 AM |
| 1 | How many of your female partners are rapists under the CA affirmative consent standard?Honestly, every damn one of them. Nobody I've ever been with waited for verbal consent. But that might be overly pedantic. So say, for the sake of argument, that we only include partners who pushed when I was reluctant. People I consented with, but not verbally or enthusiastically. That reduces the number to only half of my lifetime partners. So half the people who I've ever slept with are rapists. Or at least, I could claim they are with enough evidence to justify it in court. For the record: I… | /r/MensRights | 30/09/14 10:42 PM |
| 2 | How should a rational MRA respond to the statement, "Men's rights activism is a hate group"?In most arguments like these, it only works when it's in person. You just can't get the basic human respect you need from people otherwise. What I do is I ask them to explain why they think that. Once they provide reasons, you have something to counter. They'll shift between reasons frequently, but you should be able to beat them all. When they revisit a reason, be sure to give the same counter argument you did the first time. Don't let them conflate the whole thing to a stalemate. Just pin down… | /r/MensRights | 09/09/14 07:41 PM |
| 3 | What sexist experiences have you encountered in your workplace? Please share.Nothing massive, but there have been a couple. When I worked morning merchandising at Costco, everyone was given a section of the store to stock up. It involved a lot of lifting, but (aside from furniture) nothing even an unfit woman would struggle with. Despite that, the only two women in our crew worked in the one section that didn't require lifting: clothing. Where most men had one or two isles each, they had the clothing section split between them. It wasn't a trivial amount of work, but it … | /r/MensRights | 19/08/14 11:54 PM |
| 3 | Can we actively discourage using words like 'Femsplain' and 'Wymyn/wimmins'?I like the discussion you're raising here. I for one get disheartened by such bitter satire. These replies aren't encouraging though. I'd like to respond to the people who claim this is tone or word policing. While it is certainly a request or a plea for different words and tone, it's a far cry from policing. OP isn't asking for mods to enforce this, or to down vote someone who doesn't follow the approved tone. He's asking people to consider changing their actions because they want to. If they d… | /r/MensRights | 22/05/14 10:59 PM |
| 9 | Feminist extremists, genuinely scared by the good arguments for Legal Parental Surrender, have begun to organize a counter-offensive.I've seriously wanted to do this. Just take a camera, go to some area with a lot of foot traffic, and start asking this of people who say they're willing to answer some political questions. I'd just phrase it differently. 1) Do you believe a woman who has consensual sex and becomes pregnant should have a choice to not become a mother? (Let the respondent volunteer surrender, abortion, or whatever if they want). 2) Do you believe a man who has consensual sex and gets a woman pregnant should have … | /r/MensRights | 09/05/14 02:05 AM |
| 2 | I see these dumb pictures all over social media sites. It really infuriates me. Such a double standard.The world would be a terrible place without forgiveness. So no, he really can blame her. | /r/MensRights | 08/04/14 03:26 AM |
| 21 | It Happened to MeCar dealerships document sales counts publicly (in the office). If he's telling the truth, it should be plain as day to prove. | /r/MensRights | 10/02/14 06:09 AM |
| 1 | Feminist blogger announces ban on male commentersWhile I agree that they are within their right, I still find it worthy of reproach. Women have been fighting for inclusion in male only spaces. Making female only spaces seems to fly in the face of that in my opinion. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/14 11:44 PM |
| 4 | Comment: "Now…if this girl was fuckable and he’s just a prude, then maybe this will teach him a lesson." On an article in which an alleged rapist applied a curling iron to a man's testicles.Careful dismissing them as brainwashed. While I disagree with their views, remember how feminists denounce women who speak out against feminism. They see them in much the same light. Brainwashed by the patriarchy and all that jazz. We don't want to be like that. | /r/MensRights | 31/01/14 11:34 PM |
| 12 | I used to think Wil Wheaton was coolI'm actually hoping he will. He doesn't seem like the kind of person we oppose. He's likely misinformed. If we could open a dialog that isn't filled with vitriol, then that could likely be corrected. But if we keep being crude and dismissive, we'll just entrench the negative opinion for no real gain. | /r/MensRights | 21/01/14 09:49 AM |
| 15 | A short list of some common men's issuesPossibly. But if it starts the discussion with a wider audience, it would be helpful. I just don't want to use TIL as an advocacy channel. | /r/MensRights | 16/01/14 10:04 PM |
| 1 | Shit like this pisses me of.Aside from the dozens of valid complaints about this image, this one tickled me the most. If MRAs are men blaming problems caused by men on feminism, does that mean that men and feminism are mutually exclusive? As in, does this image imply that men aren't feminists too? | /r/MensRights | 12/12/13 07:40 AM |
| 1 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetSee, I even dedicated a sentence or two in that paragraph to how people join the military for reasons other than combat roles. I saw your retort coming and went the extra step. It's right there. Do I need to repeat it? And as for the women in the workplace analogy, you went off my point on both counts there again. First off, I never claimed women being kept from combat roles was sexist against them. I claimed it was sexist against men. Men who, like their female counterparts, don't want to die b… | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 04:38 AM |
| 1 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetBack to insults already? Here I thought all that downtime might have squeezed a little cordiality from you. No comparison will ever be perfect. That's what make it an informal reasoning tool. It empirically proves nothing. Yet, it's effectiveness at demonstrating a pattern is still useful. In this case, the similarity between the resistance to racial desegregation in the military and gender desegregation exists. Especially the part about cohesion. As for being voluntary, I'm not talking about en… | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 03:01 AM |
| 1 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetDid you have a nice vacation? Did you kick back and relax a bit? I certainly did. But, now I guess we're back to it... We can't end military service like we ended slavery. We can't end the dangers of combat either. Hell, we can't even make being on the front lines voluntary, or we wouldn't have enough people to do it. So what we have, and what we will continue having, is involuntary combat roles. I understand you don't think one group being fucked over means everyone should, but I disagree with … | /r/MensRights | 03/12/13 12:02 AM |
| 1 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetIf I lost that long ago, why are you still here? I'm betting some part of you actually agrees with me. You probably know a this isn't fair to the men and boys. But admitting that would weaken your position, so you just keep this ball rolling. It's ok to give a little ground you know. This isn't a competition. There are no points. | /r/MensRights | 23/11/13 02:40 AM |
| 1 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetI have supported my point. Numerous times in fact. You just don't agree with my arguments. So apparently you're choosing to ignore their existence entirely. Come on now, is this seriously how you debate things with people? You're not even trying to present your position in a polite way. How do you suppose this is going to work? Do you think repetitive vitriol is somehow convincing? Or are you doing this because being an asshole on the internet validates you somehow? | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 09:38 PM |
| 1 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetWhen women were added to the workforce there were problems too. Is there more at stake in war? Absolutely. But if we put some work into fixing those problems I'm confident we can have an effective mixed fighting force. Maybe not as effective as an all male one, but effective enough for sure. Better than what was described in the article and definitely better than the situation you paint it to be. But really, what's the point in this discussion? You think women don't belong in combat, I think the… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 06:05 PM |
| 1 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetIf there were invaders spraying up my streets, I'd damn well expect the woman next to me to pick up a gun. Whatever problems women in the service create, they won't cripple us. If anything, in a situation like you described they'd be much more of a help. For what it is worth, I don't care whether women want to be in combat roles. This isn't about them getting the career they want. This is about who is expected to die because they got the wrong set of genes. That is why it is a gendered issue. Th… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 03:01 AM |
| 1 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetThere has never been a country that had a completely gender-mixed military. You don't know how it would turn out. You don't even seem willing to consider how we could make it work. Hell, the way you talk I suspect had you been born earlier you would have been opposed to women entering the workforce. Yet we've made great strides there. I suspect we can with the military as well. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 02:42 AM |
| 1 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetI'm glad you can be so diplomatic in how you share your opinion. It really makes it easy to hold a civilized conversation. :) We do have a safe country. At least as safe as almost any other country out there. And even if we didn't, a country that demands predominantly men pay the price isn't one I'd fight to protect. | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 02:24 AM |
| 1 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetI'd love to do away with the draft too, but that's off point. This is about women in combat roles, not women in the service. And since enlistees don't get to choose whether they are put into a combat role, it's still a concern whether the draft is in effect or not. Albeit not as large of one. It sounds like the disconnect here is that you want the most effective military at the cost of men being put into greater harm. I'd prefer men and women be at equal harm at the cost of a less effective mili… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 02:12 AM |
| 1 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetHaving only one arm and one leg would be considered a disability that would disqualify anyone from military service. So it's not a gender issue. I have read the article, and this will be at least the third time in this comment thread I've acknowledged that adding women creates problems. I don't believe they are insurmountable, but I acknowledge that they are there. Since you seem to like wording things to make other people sound hostile. I've got one for you. Why do you think only men should be … | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 01:44 AM |
| 1 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetWhat you're saying is that since men are fucked over, so should women. You could word it that way, sure. Since we will always need soldiers, having neither men nor women get fucked over isn't a possibility. So equality in this case means sharing the shitty part too. Even if it means being less effective, at least it is equal. Who's talking about 'reviving strict gender roles? I am. I didn't say this was your argument, and I'm not proposing it either. But I did talk about it. I did so because sol… | /r/MensRights | 22/11/13 01:17 AM |
| 1 | Cracked.com is just.... I just don't know where to start. This is awful.When you assume ... you avoid laboriously rechecking every presumed given in an effort to streamline communication? ;) | /r/MensRights | 21/11/13 06:31 PM |
| 1 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetAgain, the one vs the many argument. Solid, but not at all consoling to the 'one' in the equation. Think of it this way. Would it be more advantageous to society if we just revived strict gender roles? We'd be limited to jobs/tasks that played to our gender-based strengths. It would be more advantageous to society, but we'd all be less free. Personally, I'm willing to have a less successful society if it means not being restricted by gender roles. | /r/MensRights | 21/11/13 06:25 PM |
| 1 | Cracked.com is just.... I just don't know where to start. This is awful.Ah, well then I guess I was just speaking for myself when it comes to being touchy. I hadn't been reading the entire thread, just our exchanges. I kindof interpreted that response as being dismissive of the complaints about the article. A sort of "The patriarchy hurts men too". Although that isn't what you said, I felt that bristly feeling that comes with it a little. Maybe that kickstarted this whole thing? Following that though, your response to mine about how the article should have addressed… | /r/MensRights | 21/11/13 03:21 AM |
| 3 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetAnd yet somehow I feel that drafting women will be much easier to do than getting rid of war. | /r/MensRights | 21/11/13 03:03 AM |
| 2 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetIt's that or force nobody. I know every talk about women in the service turns into a feud over whether forced service is a good idea at all, but that's missing the point. I'm on your side on this one/ Yet, so long as men fight who don't want to, women should be among them too. | /r/MensRights | 21/11/13 02:17 AM |
| 5 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetOk, so what your proposing is the one for the many argument. Sacrifice only the men so that fewer people overall suffer. It's a solid argument, but that doesn't make being the 'one' any better. I'd rather we found a way to make having women in our fighting forces function effectively. | /r/MensRights | 20/11/13 11:58 PM |
| 16 | The Problems of Women in Combat - Written by a female war vetThese are fair points in times of peace. These are fair points if everyone on the front lines chose their deployment. But that just isn't how the military works. So if we're talking fair, then what is fair about men being disproportionately at risk of death? I understand female soldiers won't be as strong, and I don't care. They should be just as obligated to be shot at for their country as the man next to them. That, or make combat roles voluntary. | /r/MensRights | 20/11/13 09:50 PM |
| 1 | Cracked.com is just.... I just don't know where to start. This is awful.To be honest, I had no idea you were a feminist. If I had to guess though, the reason you may not have been well received initially is that people here really get touchy when the conversation starts on who has it worse. It isn't really helpful. Especially since what is worse is often subjective. Believe me, I love to enumerate ways men get shafted by societal gender roles. And when someone comes up and tells me women get it bad there too, I have to fight the urge to say men have it worse. I ofte… | /r/MensRights | 19/11/13 02:19 AM |
| 1 | Cracked.com is just.... I just don't know where to start. This is awful.Ok, I'm still having trouble seeing what you're arguing about. My first sentence, and the only one you didn't cite, asked what the connection was between your reply and mine. So if you're saying we agree, that still leaves me confused as to why you replied with something that seems tangential to the discussion. I mean, if everyone is affected by gender roles, can you understand the frustration that the article paints it as only being bad for women? | /r/MensRights | 18/11/13 11:16 PM |
| 1 | Cracked.com is just.... I just don't know where to start. This is awful.Gosh, you know I just hadn't considered that. I guess I should just make sure they get their regularly scheduled nutrition, if they want it that is, and otherwise ignore them all day. /s Come on now, give a little benefit of the doubt. There is a difference between helping a child get involved in activities they enjoy and micromanaging them. The same goes for schools. And just because I actually want to do these things doesn't mean I'm going to go absolutely overboard. | /r/MensRights | 18/11/13 11:09 PM |
| -1 | Cracked.com is just.... I just don't know where to start. This is awful.I can understand that. If I were to live my dream and be a stay at home parent, it would involve more than keeping the little shitlings fed and clean. I'd get involved in their schooling, activities, and generally help them be invovled and socialize until they're old enough to do that themselves. Then, with the remaining time, I could do home improvement. I have a home now that I struggle to find time to improve around a full time job. If I had excess time, that fence that needs rebuilt, or that… | /r/MensRights | 16/11/13 02:11 AM |
| 2 | Cracked.com is just.... I just don't know where to start. This is awful.I guess I'm just missing your point. What does any of this have to do with my case that the article was inflammatory because it painted gender roles as only being disadvantageous to women? If, and this is a guess, your point was that dads could stay at home if they wanted, I beg to disagree. I want nothing more than to be a stay at home father. I'm not standing on the rooftops screaming it, but most people who know me are familiar with that. However, I can't have that unless I meet a woman who c… | /r/MensRights | 16/11/13 02:06 AM |
| 30 | Cracked.com is just.... I just don't know where to start. This is awful.And if the article addressed that instead of defining sexism as a problem effecting only women, there wouldn't be a complaint. | /r/MensRights | 15/11/13 05:15 PM |
| 1 | These "statistics" on men's views of rape have been circulating tumblr. I find them very hard to believe. Can anyone vouch for the source?There have been numerous good ones mentioned on this sub. I personally know many that I respect who don't lie about rape statistics. Besides, doesn't this sort of black and white distinction sound familiar? This is the same kind of bullshit some feminists spout about MRAs. They say we're all bad. And as I recall, people here don't like that. So why do it back? Doesn't it make sense to you that maybe, just maybe not all feminists support this shit? And before you retort with how calling themselve… | /r/MensRights | 12/11/13 09:12 PM |
| -5 | These "statistics" on men's views of rape have been circulating tumblr. I find them very hard to believe. Can anyone vouch for the source?Don't let these people get under your skin. They are what they hate. They want to see the world in black and white where the only feminists are bad feminists. | /r/MensRights | 12/11/13 01:34 AM |
| 1 | i pay $2,500/ mo to my ex-wife for 1 kidThanks for voicing your opinion. It's really good to hear divergent viewpoints :). I'm a man that wants to be a stay at home father (because I love kids, not for an 'easy' ride), but I also have a great career. I have yet to date a woman who is as professionally successful. This tells me that when I eventually have kids, I'll probably be pressured to keep my job. Otherwise the household will take a big financial hit. I'm unhappy about this, but I expect it all the same. So when I look at cases l… | /r/MensRights | 11/10/13 06:45 PM |
| 7 | Not All MRAs Are Like ThatAs have I. I think a good public face without compromising our goals is important. | /r/MensRights | 30/09/13 09:16 PM |
| 3 | Not All MRAs Are Like Thatunnecessarily inflammatory That's it. That's what I see in this sub that I think might be the pattern here. The sub rarely accepts (ie: Doesn't downvote into the floor) misogyny. However, unnecessarily inflammatory or caustic remarks seem pretty common. I find that when I have to say "Not all MRAs are like that", it's with regards to remarks like that. | /r/MensRights | 30/09/13 09:12 PM |
| 6 | TIL That all Feminists are like thatDon't people say the same about false accusation because they don't experience it in their daily lives? Claiming something is unimportant because you believe it is rare is trivializing the experience of the people it happened to. I believe I understand your point, but I caution against being dismissive as a way to make it. | /r/MensRights | 23/09/13 11:54 PM |
| 10 | Cyanide and happiness gets itTo those having trouble understanding why people like this, I encourage separating the humor from the message. The joke is in the hyperbolic and caustic reply. If you don't find it funny, that's fine. Just don't let it get mistaken for the message. The point is the gender-boxing. If you remove the humor, it boils down into: "Would you be a man and do what men are expected to do." -- "Would you be a woman and do what women are expected to do? You know so long as we're both using gender-based expe… | /r/MensRights | 21/09/13 08:23 PM |
| 15 | One of the "joys" of being a male teacher in a primary schoolAt least the cop, after doing his due diligence to investigate (however shitty the situation was), understood the situation and was upset at the people who called him. These stories are always worse when the cop is as prejudiced as the crowd. | /r/MensRights | 16/09/13 09:13 PM |
| 0 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleIf they don't share the erroneous beliefs of most feminists why do they choose to identify with them? That was addressed at the top of this chain. Because they presume feminism is equivalent to advocating women's rights. Of course you should still engage them in argument to see. Sure, I like that idea. It doesn't disqualify them from being an MRA, and you learn what they actually think before jumping straight to dismissing them. Of course people say that, but the fact that they persist in bannin… | /r/MensRights | 06/09/13 01:05 AM |
| 1 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a Circlefor example good arguments against their positions Therein lies the dilemma. What are the positions of a person who calls themselves a feminist? I claim you can't know. Because why they assume that label isn't universal. There is no test to get the feminist badge. No audit to make sure you'd still drinking the same cool-aid. Just because someone is a feminist doesn't mean you know their positions. To presume so, then dismiss them, is exactly what people do to MRAs. The only differences is that o… | /r/MensRights | 05/09/13 10:08 PM |
| 1 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleThis is the same disconnect that we see every day. Many feminists equate their movement to women's rights. Many people here equate the movement to anti-male. We associate MRM with men's rights. Many people outside of here equate it with anti-female. It's the same pattern. Isn't it frustrating how people dismiss MRAs out of hand? How people will shout you down as a misogynist just for calling yourself that? Or how if when you finally defend your position, they'll just say "Oh, so you're really a … | /r/MensRights | 05/09/13 05:32 PM |
| 3 | My College has this posted around. Thoughts? I don't know if it's going by the stats or what.Surprisingly it never claimed men to be aggressors. It did identify primarily women as victims however. While they underlying assumption your making may be correct, I believe M4Strings may be right here. Asking for a unisex one or tips targeted toward male victims is all that is needed. | /r/MensRights | 04/09/13 12:24 AM |
| 2 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleExactly! People here are very terminology heavy. There is nothing wrong with someone calling themselves a feminist. Ask them what they believe before you judge. | /r/MensRights | 02/09/13 09:40 AM |
| 0 | Enough of this "I'm a feminist and an MRA!" nonsense. It's a hijack attempt and a pretty transparent one at that.The disconnect with your argument is that what they call themselves does not dictate what they believe. If someone calls themselves a republican, does it mean they follow the exact republican policy line? What about democrats? There is no test. No requirement to call yourself a feminist. So why assume they all believe the same core ideology? | /r/MensRights | 02/09/13 09:38 AM |
| 1 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleSo do most feminists. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/13 08:14 AM |
| 2 | A Feminist who is an "MRA", is like a Square Which is a CircleSo do you believe it then? Because it is real. You have your proof. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/13 08:14 AM |
| 2 | Enough of this "I'm a feminist and an MRA!" nonsense. It's a hijack attempt and a pretty transparent one at that.Many from other MRAs I'm sure. As much as people here would like to believe that all down votes come from outside the 'circle', crap like this will not help us get support. If we tune out anyone who calls themselves a feminist, then we're just being hateful. | /r/MensRights | 01/09/13 02:13 AM |
| 6 | Feminists and Moving the Goal PostsThe rational human doesn't hate it when they are proven wrong I would have to disagree here. Check out Cognitive Dissonance. Getting angry when entrenched beliefs are disproven is very very common. It's also common to be outright dismissive of all but the most damning evidence. It's shitty, but it's human. | /r/MensRights | 27/08/13 09:12 PM |
| 2 | Why is mensrights not allowed to be linked to r/bestof, yet their current top post is about a woman being sexually assaulted? Shouldn't the people's votes decide?Isn't a country club ultimately a business? I get your point, and I see how it is totally within their right, but I also believe that doesn't shield them from legitimate ridicule for it. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 10:51 PM |
| 0 | Why is mensrights not allowed to be linked to r/bestof, yet their current top post is about a woman being sexually assaulted? Shouldn't the people's votes decide?I could also make a business that openly refuses to serve anybody who is republican. As far as I know I'm not obligated to do anything for them. But the shitstorm would be huge. And rightfully so. So why is it that we can't cry foul? I acknowledge their within their right. But we can still publicly denounce them for it, no? | /r/MensRights | 24/08/13 01:36 AM |
| 1 | Men’s rights dopes strike againIt’s not that false accusations don’t happen, or that the havoc they wreak isn’t real. The problem is the idiotic defensive assumption that a campaign expressly created to educate men and women about consent merits a hateful, finger-pointing response. And it makes the classic presumption that getting drunk, hooking up and then crying rape is a standard chick operating procedure — an idea that is based, by the way, on no solid statistical evidence. [occupied space to forcible separate the quotes]… | /r/MensRights | 13/07/13 12:26 AM |
| 1 | The idea that female oppression is worse than males' is irrelevant to admitting the existence of male oppressionAh, but women do have the obligation. The same obligation men have in todays politically correct climate. Regardless of the topic of whether the draft should exist, women are still excluded from it. And not just in the abstract. Men to this day have to sign up for selective service while women do not. I know the day I had to do that I didn't feel equal. This, to me, makes the point that it's no longer a gender bias issue. I can understand that point of view. There is a sticky (and inconsistent) … | /r/MensRights | 08/07/13 09:36 PM |
| 2 | The idea that female oppression is worse than males' is irrelevant to admitting the existence of male oppressionxkcd has a great line about the sticks and stones argument that I think makes sense here. Stick and stones can break by bones, by words can make me think I deserve it. Even if the most powerful people in the country are men, they can still consider men expendable. This is because they aren't twirling their mustache sending these men off to fight. They actually believe men deserve it. Or more appropriately in this context, that men have an obligation to fight and die for their country that women … | /r/MensRights | 08/07/13 08:46 PM |
| 8 | This is perfectly acceptable behavior. (x-post from cringepics)An amusing idea, but you would barely get past the early wedding planning before she would have to start showing signs of being pregnant. You'd never get to the wedding day. | /r/MensRights | 07/07/13 01:28 AM |
| 1 | Make Ourselves Heard: Please Contact Facebook to Protest Sexist Double Standard in New Hate Speech PolicySo, because I_fight_demons disagrees with your views, in this case on censorship, you feel that's a reason for downvoting. I don't think it's a stretch to say that doesn't follow reddiquette. Downvote an otherwise acceptable post because you don't personally like it. Think before you downvote and take a moment to ensure you're downvoting someone because they are not contributing to the community dialogue or discussion. If you simply take a moment to stop, think and examine your reasons for downv… | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 07:51 PM |
| 4 | Make Ourselves Heard: Please Contact Facebook to Protest Sexist Double Standard in New Hate Speech PolicyYou really shouldn't be getting downvoted. Well presented counter arguments are essential to proper debate. :( | /r/MensRights | 31/05/13 01:38 AM |
| 7 | So the feminists at my uni have opened up a women's only space...Was the response any better for early protesters of segregation? You've got to want it. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 08:24 PM |
| 20 | So the feminists at my uni have opened up a women's only space...I like this the best. Segregation debate really hit the fan when people refused to follow it. Go there, make them remove you because you're a man, and do it as non-violent protest. | /r/MensRights | 28/05/13 05:53 PM |
| 39 | Men account for 53% of rape victims in the US military.OP posted a percentage showing a likely higher number of male rape victims than people suspect. Neurotikitty posted percentages casting perspective on OP's percentage. Neurotikitty didn't make this the oppression olympics. Rather, the response given was in line with the original post. If you want to talk percentages, then be willing to talk percentages. Even when it doesn't feed into your narrative. If you feel percentages have no place, then the place to start would be the OP. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/13 08:19 PM |
| 1 | Beware of Trolls: Jezebel "paternity test" article appears to be fakeIf I'm understanding you correctly, you're reason is: Feminism is already implanted as the 'professionals' on sexism. Therefor they need to fulfill the role they've created for themselves by actually sponsoring/supporting men's issues. It sounds like we may agree on this, but from different angles. I propose that by claiming they advocate men's issues, then not actually doing anything about them, they are impeding men's rights. If (and this is a hypothetical) they changed that, as well as other … | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 10:42 PM |
| 1 | Beware of Trolls: Jezebel "paternity test" article appears to be fakeWe don't. Individually, maybe, but not as a group. So you acknowledge MR isn't as a group fighting for women's rights issues. That's all I really need. Given that, I ask again: why would it take feminism fighting for men's issues to get you to stop opposing them? Isn't that hypocritical? | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 09:38 PM |
| 2 | Beware of Trolls: Jezebel "paternity test" article appears to be fakeI know what is is 'supposed' to be. I'm making a distinction between what feminism and MR wants and what feminism and MR does. As far as I can tell, both say (in mainstream discussion) that they want gender equality. However, both focus on fixing issues facing only one gender. Exceptions exist, but the vast majority of feminist goals are improving women's rights. Likewise, the vast majority of MR goals are improving men's rights. People balk at this as if it is somehow wrong, so they claim that … | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 08:51 PM |
| 5 | Beware of Trolls: Jezebel "paternity test" article appears to be fakeIsn't that a little hypocritical? I don't see MR advocating women's issues. Sure, we care. It's just not our focus. So why should feminists -have to- advocate men's issues if we don't advocate women's? It should be enough for them to stop impeding men's rights. Edit: For clarification, this is surrounding the question "would you reconsider being anti-feminist?" | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 07:09 PM |
| 7 | Beware of Trolls: Jezebel "paternity test" article appears to be fakeDo they have to advocate for men, or would simply not advocating against them help? | /r/MensRights | 07/05/13 01:01 AM |
| 23 | Feel like I'm subconsciously being accused of paedophilia just for being a guy...I sympathize with this problem. I once had to go door to door to see who owned a car that was blocking my professional mover's truck from making a turn. The road was too tight and the truck couldn't back out, so it was plain as day to anyone who looked out their window. Still, I never got the chance to even ask. Nobody answered me ringing the doorbell. One woman even shoo'ed her kids away from the door when they wanted to know who was there. That woman was the owner of the car. Her friend saw wh… | /r/MensRights | 03/05/13 08:24 PM |
| 2 | Women who stole husbands sperm and got pregnant with use of IVF forced to pay compensation. X-post from WorldNewsPretty much. And the argument that 'he's the only father they ever knew' doesn't hold up well when it comes to financial responsibility. But that doesn't matter when the argument it just a means to an end and not an actual ethical landmark. People use these statements to win arguments. In my experience, the best way to break that down is to force them to hold to their guns. Give them a situation where that argument goes against what they want, and they'll have to either abandon the argument or t… | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 11:37 PM |
| 6 | Women who stole husbands sperm and got pregnant with use of IVF forced to pay compensation. X-post from WorldNewsCounter that argument with: "If the well being of he child is the reason and not the responsibility of the non-consenting father, then you pay for it. The father has as much responsibility to that child as you do." Watch how fast they go back to arguing biological responsibility. | /r/MensRights | 01/05/13 08:16 AM |
| 2 | Success story, albeit minor, from a longtime lurker.More success stories are always welcome. This sub seriously brings me down some days. | /r/MensRights | 18/04/13 11:21 PM |
| 7 | Out of anyone on Reddit, I thought this sub would like what I found tacked to the bulletin board in my apartment buildingMe neither :( | /r/MensRights | 14/04/13 01:15 AM |
| 12 | A friend posted this surprisingly one-sided diagram on Facebook then proceeded to tell me there's no such thing is false rape accusations.They'd just call you childish and think you're mocking a real problem. Especially if OP is male and the friend is female. If you really wanted to try this though, take a willing female friend and have them tell the person in question that you raped her (privately). Let her freak out, hate on you, etc for maybe half an hour. Then tell her it was a lie. I still don't think it would work, but it's the closest I can imagine getting to having something like that break through the wall of denial. Edit… | /r/MensRights | 18/03/13 09:09 AM |
| 1 | Should anti-feminist material be posted in this subreddit?Feminism is advocating for female supremacy (except, of course, for the nice, egalitarian, but most of all quiet feminists we keep hearing about), we are advocating for equal rights. In doesn't get more oppositional than that. I think this is the core of our disagreement. I see feminism as something that started with the idea of elevating women's rights, but went too far. You see them as female supremacists. They're similar concepts, but my interpretation doesn't assume malicious intent. There a… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 08:41 PM |
| 1 | Should anti-feminist material be posted in this subreddit?Have you watched the U of T demonstration against Farrell's seminar? Don't you see who is doing the activism? I have. So have some of the feminists I know and they're as appalled by it as I am. I keep hearing about those "nice" feminists who fight for men's rights, but I'm starting to think that they should join the ranks of the Sasquatch, Yeti and Unicorn in cryptozoology, 'cause I've yet to see one in the flesh. You explained why right from the start. A feminist won't go out on their own and f… | /r/MensRights | 14/02/13 10:31 AM |
| 1 | Should anti-feminist material be posted in this subreddit?This is a very short-term view of the fight we're in. You won't win any significant gains for men as long as the gender discourse is owned by feminist theory. I beg to differ. I believe we need to gain more public support in order to enact change. We need to be viewed as more legitimate in the eyes of the general public. However, we currently face a lot of negative press from our opposition to feminism. People don't read our message because they presume we're against women's rights. We're still … | /r/MensRights | 12/02/13 06:15 PM |
| 0 | Should anti-feminist material be posted in this subreddit?I believe an opposition to feminism will set the MRM back at least a decade. Not because it is right or wrong, but because it is unpopular. Whether we like it or not, feminism is viewed as the standard bearer right now for women's rights. Opposing it creates an appearance that we also oppose women's rights. Therefor, people will easily dismiss our goals as bigoted. While this saddens me, I do not see a way to convince angry MRAs to hug their enemy rather than punch them. Figuratively of course. … | /r/MensRights | 12/02/13 05:17 AM |
| 6 | Apparently Domestic Violence hotlines are for women who experience it, and men who are becoming violent. What the fuck government.I have a great example of this sort of thing. My mother was once doing community service for a traffic violation. Long story there, but she met a man while doing the service who had an interesting story. (Necessary disclaimer: This is all anecdotal) He had recently learned his teenage daughter was pregnant. I imagine as a father, this is not pleasant news. A baby could seriously damage his daughter's future, but surrendering the child and abortion have their problems too. He'd been dealing with … | /r/MensRights | 23/01/13 08:14 PM |
| 12 | OK guys, the gender flipping is getting out of hand.Look at some of the political misinformation that goes viral. Have you ever received radical liberal or conservative chain emails? They'll make outrageous claims that even a tiny bit of research could prove false, but they get spread and repeated anyway. Once someone proves them false, the reader just shuts up about that topic and then forwards the next outrageous claim. The point is, you won't blow someone's mind who already decided to close it. And the open-minded people don't need this kind o… | /r/MensRights | 18/01/13 05:50 PM |
| 1 | How rape accusations get started.OP here. Thanks for sharing my story. I think it gives some useful insight to how the 'victim' isn't always the one making the accusation. Influence from friends and family who have no idea what happened can make a big difference. Especially in cases of post-sexual regret or uncertainty. I think it serves as a reminder that we need to keep a level head when considering rape. My story when viewed from the outside is a gray area in rape accusations that runs uncomfortably close to the victim who w… | /r/MensRights | 14/01/13 09:33 PM |
| 1 | How rape accusations get started.I'm glad you're looking out for my safety in all this, but you don't know what happened between us either. She's wasn't the kind of person to make accusations like this out of spite or anger. She also had nothing to gain from it. The resulting shitstorm covered her pretty bad too. I consider her a victim because she was told she was raped. Not just once, but repeatedly. By therapists, by her parents, her friends, everyone she knew was trying to convince her she was in denial. Considering how eve… | /r/MensRights | 14/01/13 09:22 PM |
| 4 | A message for us all, xposted from /r/feminismMR is interested in men's issues, right? Well, sometimes the two butt heads. Take abortion for example. So if both sides would talk more often, those issues could be addressed and advocated for in a way that best represents both genders rather than just one. | /r/MensRights | 13/01/13 10:38 AM |
| 1 | ToySoldiers tells figleaf, a male feminist, how worthless and false his, and other feminist's, professed concern about male rape victims is.Feminism doesn't move with one body and speak with one voice. They're a group of people. The only thing common between them is what they call themselves. Some use the name and try to being down men. Some use the name and try to fight inequalities for women. They don't all agree, and they don't ask for approval from each other before engaging in activism. So while it would be nice if they denounced radical and/or inappropriate behavior, what usually happens is they think to themselves "I'm not li… | /r/MensRights | 12/01/13 07:52 PM |
| 1 | ToySoldiers tells figleaf, a male feminist, how worthless and false his, and other feminist's, professed concern about male rape victims is.So they do exist. But this is where they have to ocme to get that education. That's fine. I'm not saying we need to go to them. What I'm saying is here, in MR, we lump the good and the bad under 'femenist'. We don't acknowledge that good, egalitarian people will self-describe as a feminist. And when one does, we tell them they aren't a true scotsman. We're basically telling them to check their identity as a feminist at the door. We're hostile to it, which makes us seem hostile to all of women's … | /r/MensRights | 12/01/13 07:32 PM |
| 1 | ToySoldiers tells figleaf, a male feminist, how worthless and false his, and other feminist's, professed concern about male rape victims is.That's a fine distinction to make, but consider your audience. Most people you would describe as women's rights activists don't describe themselves that way. They describe themselves as feminists. So even if you see feminism as only the bad parts, that's not what you're communicating. People will see it as a critique of all women's rights activism instead. So you can cry no true scotsman all you want by saying egalitarians aren't feminists, but as far as they are concerned they are. This makes f… | /r/MensRights | 12/01/13 09:52 AM |
| 2 | ToySoldiers tells figleaf, a male feminist, how worthless and false his, and other feminist's, professed concern about male rape victims is.It matters because they can be educated. However, because they align with the term feminism, they won't listen if you bash the entire group. They'll see it as you bashing them, which doesn't help anything. Also, some of the best allies I've had against everyday misandry were self described feminists. | /r/MensRights | 12/01/13 09:38 AM |
| 2 | ToySoldiers tells figleaf, a male feminist, how worthless and false his, and other feminist's, professed concern about male rape victims is.Are they a true scotsman? | /r/MensRights | 12/01/13 02:47 AM |
| 2 | ToySoldiers tells figleaf, a male feminist, how worthless and false his, and other feminist's, professed concern about male rape victims is.People could say the same about MR. In fact, I've seen it often among feminist friends. Yet you still call yourself an MRA, no? Face it, there are egalitarians in both feminism and MR and they will continue to identify with their groups. Alienating them so you can corral all your enemies under one banner isn't helping win support for our cause. | /r/MensRights | 12/01/13 02:47 AM |
| 3 | False rape accusations don't hurt anyone? Reaaly? This kid is dead because some woman lied about rape.It's not someone else's job to research your claim. Source was asked for, so please provide it. | /r/MensRights | 10/01/13 05:45 AM |
| 0 | A girl I know just posted this on facebook... wonder how hard people would rage if the genders were switched...I saw this on my facebook months ago and called out the poster. In pretty straightforward terms I told her this was offensive and sexist. She responded with, I kid you not, "nerd!". This was a woman in her late twenties. I couldn't believe it. I kept pursuing the issue and she kept trying to slide away from it. I thought the whole thing went nowhere and was rather upset. But after that I never saw her part anything sexist again. I'm still sore I never got an apology, but I'll take what victories… | /r/MensRights | 03/01/13 07:59 PM |
| 5 | In a post about sexist ads from the 1950's, a user points out that modern ads are just as sexist (only the genders are reversed) [X-post from r/WTF]Sarcastiball | /r/MensRights | 03/01/13 07:42 PM |
| 3 | Is anybody else getting sick of feminists posing as /r/mensrights regulars telling us what we should and should not be posting?Controlling the language implies force. The linked posts are more of a plea than a threat. So I don't believe they constitute an attempt to control language. Rather, they're trying to convince the community to change it themselves. It may take hold, it may not. Either way, it's the community that will make the decision, not some authoritative power. Also, FWIW, MR has been asking feminism to denounce their own radical elements rather than sit by quietly in implied agreement. Pleas like this to t… | /r/MensRights | 01/01/13 10:20 PM |
| 0 | The toy double standard.Fair enough. Prostitution being more accepted would weaken the stranglehold on sex women seem to have. As for you argument of cost, I say just don't pay for your date. Mutual benefit, mutual expense IMO. | /r/MensRights | 01/01/13 10:09 PM |
| 2 | The toy double standard.I agree with you up to prostitutes. While looking at porn or using a sex toy is rarely considered cheating, I'm pretty sure few are ok with their partner visiting a prostitute. There is something about having sex with a person rather than an object that really makes it an issue of monogamy. | /r/MensRights | 01/01/13 11:18 AM |
| 17 | Is anybody else getting sick of feminists posing as /r/mensrights regulars telling us what we should and should not be posting?I consider myself an MRA, but from the moment I came here I've been saying we need to tone down aggressive language. I agree with the message in many of the links you provided. Does that make me a feminist troll? What about all the people who upvoted them? Is it so difficult to believe those people were MRAs? By labeling those supporters as trolls, you're effectively shaming those with opinions contrary to your own. You're also applying No True Scotsman to distance their opinions from MR. Effect… | /r/MensRights | 01/01/13 11:11 AM |
| 3 | Jezebel: Fuck You Men's Rights Activists.you fell for a parody of your worst nightmare -- and lined up to support a guy who told you he'd punched his girlfriend. Did the author cite a compassion troll post that was in this sub a while back? As I recall, the post was among many that brought about the introduction of the MRABot for self posts. It originally told a story with a man seeking advice for a bad situation, but was later edited to include punching his girlfriend after people had already responded in support. Does anyone have a l… | /r/MensRights | 13/12/12 08:41 PM |
| 2 | Woman here, quite the feminist, but reassessing my views.The most perspective shifting thing I've heard from GWW so far is the bit on the social contract. I'd do a poor job explaining it, so I found the link. The topic is actually about privilege, but it is what got me started on the social contract topic. http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11h9b9/message_i_got_from_girlwriteswhat_a_while_ago_in/ | /r/MensRights | 11/12/12 09:50 PM |
| 5 | I need Men's RightsYou. I like you. I couldn't have said it nearly so well. Do you think by sharing in grassroot methods, it might also help sway moderate feminists? | /r/MensRights | 11/12/12 08:00 AM |
| 8 | I need Men's RightsThis sort of thing is actually pretty helpful at swaying moderate feminists. It's something they can easily relate to, which is one of the first steps in bridging the gap. | /r/MensRights | 11/12/12 07:58 AM |
| 2 | r/MRASTATS, where you can go to get relevant statistics for common MR issues. (Karmawhore post so i can get past the "bot checking")Why go through all this? Wouldn't it be better to run your bot for a while, then once you have a good base ask the mods to link to it on the sidebar? | /r/MensRights | 01/12/12 04:30 AM |
| 1 | The Mythical 'War On Men'Ah, but you've strayed completely off target. Either that, or your blurring two different things. This isn't about the relevance of Feminism, this is about the relevance of MR. So no, saying bad things happen to men doesn't make Feminism less important, it makes MR important. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive. | /r/MensRights | 30/11/12 11:21 PM |
| 4 | The Mythical 'War On Men'A riposte like that would be delightful. It's like sexist victim blaming in a can. Dismissing men who are victims of terrible crimes because different men committed them is blaming the victim for deserving it based on being a man. | /r/MensRights | 30/11/12 09:13 PM |
| 4 | So I was bored and tried to make a simple picture showing why the MRM isn't a threat to women, women's issues, or feminism. I hope I didn't oversimplify it.I think this is a good explanation of how people who believe men don't have serious grievances view MRM. I think it is also a good example of how many people here view feminism, but that's a little more difficult to explain. If I'm to get a little idealistic however, I'd say it doesn't have to be this way. Things like oppressive legislation to protests like glitter bombing are aggressive responses intended to make and attack an enemy. That may seem counter intuitive, but remember that a common e… | /r/MensRights | 26/11/12 08:35 PM |
| 11 | Guy refuses drunk-sex with girlfriend because of legal implications. Feminist in thread are outraged that he won't "accept her right to consent" and "clearly doesn't trust her". None of them mention or care that this is a legal problem that needs fixing. (x-post from r/sex)This generalization seems rooted in fear. Since it is possible for -any- woman to revoke drunken consent after the act, -every- woman is feared. However, I wholeheartedly appreciate your argument about trust. Men often face a stigma from a society that doesn't trust them. An argument that -any- man could be a rapist our child molester leads to -every- man being feared. tl;dr: I agree with you. | /r/MensRights | 18/11/12 01:26 AM |
| 3 | Can men be trusted to take male contraceptive pill?I seriously don't see the insult here except for the title. The article said both genders approved of the pill, but women didn't feel they could trust men to take it every day. Having been in a relationship where my partner was on the pill, she forgot occasionally. I didn't trust that she'd always remember, so I took extra precautions. I don't see how this is any different or sexist in any way. The title though, I really think they need a different title. It highlights the wrong part of that art… | /r/MensRights | 13/11/12 02:23 AM |
| 7 | Crazy girl won't let go of guy's shirt on subway after she mistakes him as someone else. Even though he is being attacked and harassed, the conductor and other men tell him not to defend himself.Yeah, it seems the people on the train are actually quite aware of the double standard. Since police are on the way, if she were to become violent he'd be considered the aggressor. So they had to keep him calm. However, I really wish someone had tried to remove the woman. | /r/MensRights | 10/11/12 10:10 PM |
| 13 | "I am a Dominatrix, and I make females sign consent forms up front and fill out a checklist of what they are into. I am much more lax about it with men. I know it's awful and unfair, but men are less likely to claim rape or abuse... "The whole idea of 'my suffering is worse than yours' is a game of mutually assured destruction. But everyone seems to think there is only so much sympathy in the world and their cause needs it more. Thanks for not falling into that trap :). | /r/MensRights | 02/11/12 07:37 PM |
| 1 | It's not rape if a girl does it. Men can't be raped and are always consenting. Right, guys?If you don't support that definition, and/or don't believe it fair, then why would you use it against others? It's like the old saying goes: Treat others as you would like to be treated. | /r/MensRights | 26/10/12 01:31 AM |
| 21 | Does anyone know why feminists think women are treated more harshly by the courts?It's not gymnastics, it's projection. If I were to venture a guess, I'd say the women supporting this dichotomy have low self esteem. They project the bad feeling they have about themselves onto others. So when someone comes along and gives them a villain behind all this dastardly behavior, they latch onto it. They don't want to feel weak, but since they do, it must be because someone else is doing it to them. So they rally behind girl power to feel better. But since that isn't the actual proble… | /r/MensRights | 24/10/12 01:21 AM |
| 0 | It's not rape if a girl does it. Men can't be raped and are always consenting. Right, guys?Do you believe that definition fair? | /r/MensRights | 24/10/12 12:55 AM |
| 9 | It's not rape if a girl does it. Men can't be raped and are always consenting. Right, guys?While I understand why this is being brought up, I think it's a little too much of an edge case to use as an argument. The reason being that the man in this case consented to the act after waking up. Now, I know the alarms going off right now. He can't consent while he's asleep; what if you reversed the genders; etc. You're right that this was a dangerous move by the woman. If he woke up and felt violated, ie: did not provide consent, this would be rape. However, the what if is just that, a what… | /r/MensRights | 23/10/12 07:32 AM |
| 5 | MindblownGive pics to someone named 'killyourego'? Sounds like a trap. | /r/MensRights | 22/10/12 05:14 AM |
| 13 | MindblownJPG is a lossy compression method to begin with. The resolution it would take for zero loss would likely be larger than a bitmap. You can get near approximations but in some areas the image will still lose quality. Text unfortunately suffers the greatly from this kind of compression, which is why JPG is a poor format to save images with text in them. For the purpose of this discussion however, it likely doesn't matter. | /r/MensRights | 22/10/12 05:13 AM |
| 17 | Found this gem on FB newsfeed, "How society is today"Yup, I know that all too well. I feel like I need to ask permission first. | /r/MensRights | 15/10/12 08:46 AM |
| 15 | This is what we're up against.Ok, so what's the bit about calling them nerds? I had a person say this to me when I called them out on misandry before. It seems like a sortof weak insult. I'm surprised to see it here as well. | /r/MensRights | 09/10/12 05:23 AM |
| 3 | Men aren't walking penises?Which is appropriate for the legal system--it's unfortunately better that he be free than an innocent man gets locked up for regret sex. Thank you so much for believing in this. I've always thought it was supposed to be the backbone of our legal system. But even when the crime isn't gendered, people are still willing to risk punishing innocents so they can feel safer. That being said, I am truly sorry for what happened to you. :( | /r/MensRights | 28/09/12 11:28 PM |
| 2 | Do not get divorced in California. Leave, gain residency in another state, then file.Ultimately, this means it usually comes down to the opinion of a single judge in a trial. Disconcerting, but still better than nothing. I'm still up; insomnia. I meant too late to help you with your situation. For what it is worth, I'm really sorry this is happening to you. | /r/MensRights | 18/09/12 07:20 AM |
| 2 | Do not get divorced in California. Leave, gain residency in another state, then file.I know it is too late for OP, but I'm honestly curious: Can't these problems be avoided with a prenup? People could still get married, but the terms in case of divorce are settled beforehand. | /r/MensRights | 18/09/12 06:51 AM |
| 5 | Guy in r/pics says his wife destroyed his computers and took the kids, shows pics. Main theme of the comments: OP, what did you do to cause her to react this way?When I read this, the comments were in four major categories: "What is the story?" As in, what led up to something like this? Generally this is the same reaction I'd have. It really has nothing to do with favoring either party and is just curious how things escalated to property damage. "Involve authorities." Police, courts, etc. Basically advice to hold her accountable for what she did and how to go about it. "This is a sign of a deeper problem between OP and his wife." Insinuations varied as t… | /r/MensRights | 07/09/12 06:58 PM |
| 1 | The most common sexual assault is inflicted on men, and hilarious! Put that bitch on a list.That sounds about like I expected. Possible reversal, but little to no likelihood of action taken against the judge. I was afraid you'd say that the by appealing, my friend could have screwed himself further. | /r/MensRights | 29/08/12 08:45 PM |
| 6 | The most common sexual assault is inflicted on men, and hilarious! Put that bitch on a list.I'm actually curious. Care to summarize? | /r/MensRights | 29/08/12 04:20 PM |
| 12 | The most common sexual assault is inflicted on men, and hilarious! Put that bitch on a list.Not necessarily true. I have a friend who presented a local law that explicitly and completely absolved him from wrongdoing in a civil case. He had the number on hand, the judge looked it up, then dismissed the law citing "that was not the intent" and ruled for the plaintiff. The law? I'm paraphrasing here, but it was that bicyclists are always considered pedestrians so long as they are using bicycle lanes, sidewalks, or crosswalks. The moral: judges can interpret the law. | /r/MensRights | 29/08/12 07:52 AM |
| 2 | Coworker sees nothing wrong with assaulting a client with a laser to the testicles for having an erection.What would I have done? Probably either suffer through the rest of it or leave if it was too bad, then never return. I'm sure this isn't the reaction I should have. However, I would have no proof. If I brought it to authorities, she could just deny it, claim it was an accident, or say I tried to attack or harass her. Not only would justice remain unserved, but the personal risk is just too high. The one exception would be if she worked in a larger establishment where I could complain to a superi… | /r/MensRights | 27/08/12 08:14 AM |
| 3 | School refused to let me pick up my sonI dunno. My mother once brought photographic evidence to court over a traffic charge. The judge threw it out because he said it was edited. She could have pushed for another opinion, but the that judge was the authority in that court, so she lost. In this case, the school is the authority on their grounds. They could just deny the paperwork unless OP takes it to a higher authority, like the police. tl;dr: Never underestimate prejudice. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/12 02:11 AM |
| 9 | School refused to let me pick up my sonYou may have something to offer. How did you find out about this as a child? Is there something your father did during that time that you appreciated? You may be able to give OP great advice on how to help his son through this as well. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/12 02:07 AM |
| 9 | School refused to let me pick up my sonThat is brilliant. It is assertive, firm, and best of all, not aggressive. So there is no chance of someone framing it in a way that makes you look like the bad guy. | /r/MensRights | 25/08/12 02:06 AM |
| 10 | Mention r/mensRights on reddit, get flagged for sensitivity testing!C'mon, we're better than that. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/12 08:29 AM |
| 9 | Mention r/mensRights on reddit, get flagged for sensitivity testing!Apparently one with background checks and an HR director. EVE corps can take themselves way too seriously. Also, hello. Glad you could make it. Why don't you take some time to look around while you're here. | /r/MensRights | 24/08/12 08:28 AM |
| 0 | I'm in nursing school. Today we talked about cultural beliefs of patients, like Jehovas Witnesses and blood transfusions. I asked, "What about nurses beliefs and genital mutilation?"There is no reason you should be getting downvoted. The community should praise a desire to seek citation and information. There is no shortage of it after all. Here, have an upvote for your questions. And thank you for being open minded. I would also like to point out that most circumcised and uncircumcised men have no real experience of what it is like to have lived the other way. Only those who went through the procedure later in life can really shed light on that. So it may not be beneficial… | /r/MensRights | 23/08/12 10:32 PM |
| 12 | There is a $15 "Campus Women's Center Fee" appearing on my student account this semester...Well said. | /r/MensRights | 23/08/12 09:44 PM |
| 7 | Was asked to give one example of ways in which sexism hurts men today. I gave several, on of which was selective service. This was the reply.Could we get this list somewhere on the sidebar, or otherwise easily accessible? I'd like to have it within arms reach whenever I need to explain to someone why MRM exists. | /r/MensRights | 16/08/12 10:12 PM |
| 4 | You were punched.That's .... very depressing. Has it really gotten so bad? | /r/MensRights | 16/08/12 08:55 AM |
| 5 | You were punched.Indication? Well there seems to be an underlying pattern that makes it feel familiar. Familiar like the concern trolls. That's no smoking gun though, and not a good reason to call it out. Even a little disbelief can be crushing to a real victim. We have the rightsbot, so we should be protected. However, ease up on johnlikepicard. Just because he doesn't see it the same way you do doesn't mean he didn't read it. And I'm rather glad he replied to the bot's post instead of OP. If he replied to OP, … | /r/MensRights | 16/08/12 08:48 AM |
| 1 | TwoX on r/mensrights: "I haven't actually seen a large group of reasonable MRAs, especially not here on Reddit."The hate is the problem, on both sides. It won't solve anything. MRM isn't a bunch of crazy supremacist radicals, and neither is feminism. Only by treating each other reasonably and listening will things start to change. I don't know about you, but reading that thread was like looking in the mirror. I saw feminists convinced male supremacists were trying to oppress them, just like I see MRAs convinced female supremacists are trying to oppress them. Whenever people argue, both sides just stick th… | /r/MensRights | 16/08/12 12:01 AM |
| 2 | Today I got confronted for being in public with my kids without a woman with me.Since you did nothing wrong, you have no reason to fear. If you have no reason to fear, you have no reason to bend to her intimidation. If anyone took serious action against you while you were shopping with your kids, you could raise a shitstorm so large it would make local headlines. With that in mind, you can calmly and firmly take control of the situation. She's the aggressor, and she's the one scaring the kids. Take the opportunity to lecture her on her bigotry and call it a day :). Some may… | /r/MensRights | 14/08/12 07:59 AM |
| 10 | How SRS helped me find Men's RightsMaybe it is the conspiracy theorist in me, but perhaps SRS secretly is promoting this sub. Ever since they started calling us a hate group, we've really come down on the more extreme voices in the group. So now we're getting publicity, and when people see us, we're more respectable and get greater support. | /r/MensRights | 12/08/12 12:44 AM |
| 5 | Mothers get 3 chances to opt out. Abortion, abandonment, and adoption. All legal options that completely remove parental responsibility. Men get 0. Since it's a mother's choice, shouldn't she be the one who pays for it?Yes! More citations of feminists with good, equality driven platforms. If we don't support them, they'll be less inclined to speak up! | /r/MensRights | 03/08/12 12:34 AM |
| 1 | Three studies on patterns of domestic violence that show domestic violence to be female lead, and that male on female non-recriprocal domestic violence is the least common configuration - Aggregate sample size approx. 25,000.Point taken. The quote makes no mention of male dominated injury inducing violence being nonreciprocated. I'll edit appropriately. | /r/MensRights | 02/08/12 11:22 PM |
| 20 | Three studies on patterns of domestic violence that show domestic violence to be female lead, and that male on female non-recriprocal domestic violence is the least common configuration - Aggregate sample size approx. 25,000.I believe the following line is also relevant to understand the current situation: Regarding injury, men were more likely to inflict injury than were women (AOR=1.3; 95% CI=1.1, 1.5), and reciprocal intimate partner violence was associated with greater injury than was nonreciprocal intimate partner violence regardless of the gender of the perpetrator (AOR=4.4; 95% CI=3.6, 5.5). When you witness a violent relationship, ones that cause injury are the ones that stand out. The wife battering argumen… | /r/MensRights | 02/08/12 05:23 PM |
| 1 | This is how /r/feminism responds to people who may disagree with them. This was the top comment. Wow.Well said. I'm glad there are more people who don't see feminism as an enemy. | /r/MensRights | 24/07/12 07:12 PM |
| 5 | White Knights at Breakup BarI lived six years with one, and we parted amicably as friends. Please stop this hyperbole. Remember, only sith deal in absolutes :). | /r/MensRights | 24/07/12 02:36 AM |
| 10 | White Knights at Breakup BarWhat would they be in jail for? It didn't sound like any crimes took place. | /r/MensRights | 24/07/12 02:33 AM |
| 16 | White Knights at Breakup BarAs a 6'7" guy, I thank you for saying this. Being concerned with how much restraint I show in public actually causes a lot of anxiety problems for me. Even cheering (vocally only) at a sporting event sometimes scares people around me. People wonder why I'm so quiet all the time. | /r/MensRights | 24/07/12 02:27 AM |
| 1 | White Knights at Breakup BarIf revenge excused violence, a lot more fights would be justified. Really, I don't see how holding someone's wrist, even firmly, justifies battery. | /r/MensRights | 24/07/12 02:23 AM |
| 8 | White Knights at Breakup BarI think what would help is if more women onlookers put a stop to this. Most men act like white knights because they feel like they're supposed to (IMO). Guys siding together against women also, even if untrue, seems to reinforce patriarchy arguments. But I believe if more women spoke against situations like these, they'll diffuse quickly. For example: I was arguing about the violence double standard with a female friend of mine. When another guy argued with her, she dug in further. When a nearby… | /r/MensRights | 24/07/12 02:19 AM |
| 14 | "Dear Prudie" slaps down pedophilia hysteria.I've been arguing this for a while. Feminism is not a bad thing. There are just bad feminists. It gets a little echo chamber-ish in here from time to time, so I know it can seem otherwise. But in my personal experience, the biggest supporters of men's rights were people who identified as feminists. The biggest detractors were among those who didn't. I even had a feminist friend back me up arguing with a non-feminist friend (both women) about how it's not acceptable for a woman to hit a man. | /r/MensRights | 09/06/12 01:44 AM |
| 1 | My feminist/women's rights major friend just texted me complaining that crying didn't get her out of a speeding ticket. I just don't know what to say.Thank you. It's good to see other people arguing for this. | /r/MensRights | 08/06/12 08:08 AM |
| 4 | I'm a woman, and I'm on your side.Thank you for the support, but I am going to nitpick on political correctness :). I can't stand when feminists insist on "equal" rights but still swear a woman should never be hit (even if she deserved it) Nobody deserves domestic violence. That goes for men and women. While I'm hoping that is what you meant, it is this kind of wording which can allow an MRA pitch to be torn down by detractors. Ok, carry on :). | /r/MensRights | 06/06/12 01:44 AM |
| 1 | Ex-Wife In Wisconsin Gives Away Ex-Husbands Belongings, Vandalizes SUV. Superior Police Sgt. William Lear told the newspaper there's no law against spray painting ex-husband's vehicle. Police refuse to charge woman.I don't remember. I want to say he fought it, but the fact that he was charged is what sticks out most in my mind. | /r/MensRights | 22/05/12 06:13 PM |
| 15 | Ex-Wife In Wisconsin Gives Away Ex-Husbands Belongings, Vandalizes SUV. Superior Police Sgt. William Lear told the newspaper there's no law against spray painting ex-husband's vehicle. Police refuse to charge woman.I know a similar story my mother conveyed to me from someone she was stuck doing civil service with. As I recall, this man had recently learned his teenage daughter had gotten pregnant. He kept his cool, but was very angry inside. One day, while his daughter was asleep upstairs and his wife in a separate part of the house, he snapped while making a sandwich. Tore up his kitchen with nobody around but himself, and no injuries to anyone. The neighbors heard the commotion and called the police. His… | /r/MensRights | 21/05/12 10:24 PM |
| 1 | am i the only one who wants to be a stay at home dad?Definitely. I'm 26, and people often ask me if I like what I do. I have a great job, but I can't actually say this is what I've always wanted to do. It's not. No breadwinning career actually is. What I've always wanted to do is raise a family and care for a house. But after a full day of work, coming home to a house that needs caring for is more punishment than pleasure. I can't even imagine having kids like this. | /r/MensRights | 08/05/12 05:22 PM |
| 5 | False rape story on main page of reddit involving an alleged female on male rape....I agree, we should address this the same as we address women falsely accusing men. However, how we address things and whether we get outraged by them are different. As some people have pointed out here, there is no action to be taken against an internet troll. I don't think anyone agrees with what that person did, nor finds it funny. So no harm there. | /r/MensRights | 06/05/12 10:41 AM |
| 3 | I am a woman and I want to know how I can best advocate for Men's Rights.This is small scale stuff, but meaningful if you ask me. Just back up people arguing equal treatment in public. I was spending an evening one night with two friends, I'll call them Alice and Jane. For the record, Alice is a self proclaimed adamant feminist. Alice and I were horsing around while waiting for something, when Jane casually reprimands me with the classic "A guy should never hit a girl". I retort that girls shouldn't be hitting guys either. Gender doesn't factor into it. Jane wasn't h… | /r/MensRights | 05/05/12 10:41 AM |
| 17 | Got ostracized by the overwhelming majority of female friends for refusing to respect women solely based on genderThis happened to a self proclaimed feminist friend of mine recently. She defended me when I got into a: "men should never hit women" vs "nobody should be hitting each other, regardless of gender" debate. The reaction was very odd. The woman arguing with me was shocked for a bit, then just marginalized the opinion. She didn't acknowledge or rebuke it. She just ignored it like an adult might ignore a child and continued to disagree with me. | /r/MensRights | 29/04/12 08:46 PM |
| 14 | Vulnerability and Shame: "My wife and daughters would rather see me die on my horse than watch me fall off. Women in my life are harder on me than anyone else."For men, shame is not a bunch of competing, conflicting expectations. Shame is one: Do not be perceived as weak. I disagree. There is also conflict for men. While we are expected to be strong, we are also expected to be tame. Take dating for example. Many women seem to expect men to make a move. If they do, they are then expected to do so with confidence and strength, but no so much so that the woman feels she does not have control. Too little, and the man is undesirable, too much, and they're r… | /r/MensRights | 25/04/12 09:19 PM |
| 1 | I love kids. When people share their kids' photos they don't bother showing me since I'm a guy. Any guy who finds kids is obviously perverted, right?My story is from 10 years ago, but I doubt it has gotten better. | /r/MensRights | 20/04/12 02:45 AM |
| 8 | I love kids. When people share their kids' photos they don't bother showing me since I'm a guy. Any guy who finds kids is obviously perverted, right?The fact that you could babysit as a man is surprising. I was told by every adult I knew to steer clear of the business because nobody would trust a man with their kids. | /r/MensRights | 19/04/12 07:36 AM |
| 1 | More bullshit things. 3 men worked in the blazing sun for 3 hours while 7 women stood around and laughed at us.Indeed they do. It's all politics. This may be the grassroots scale, but it's the same game. Get your opponent to say something that you can use against them either out of context or with a different crowd. Really unfortunate, yet really effective. I seriously hope some day humanity improves past these sorts of emotional war games. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/12 11:22 PM |
| 4 | More bullshit things. 3 men worked in the blazing sun for 3 hours while 7 women stood around and laughed at us.Ok, I'm going to describe how to properly handle things (IMO), then how I'd probably do it. Proper: Take your concerns to the person running the event. In this case a teacher I believe? It sounds like she was part of the problem, but we're talking about procedure here. Explain that they need to be doing work, and even politely volunteer one of the ladies to take a wheelbarrow. If the person you're talking to tries to tell you they can't do that work, now you have a chance to debate the issue wit… | /r/MensRights | 06/04/12 08:07 AM |
| 4 | More bullshit things. 3 men worked in the blazing sun for 3 hours while 7 women stood around and laughed at us.There was another concern troll (I believe that is the term) posting asking for help about 'his' gf taking a used condom to get pregnant with it. A resulting scuffle, then her trying to use blackmail so she could get pregnant. Turned out to be fake and just somebody trying to bait MRAs into justifying domestic violence. | /r/MensRights | 06/04/12 07:52 AM |
| 1 | Woman won't face charges after admitting she lied about father raping her. He was sentenced to 15 years and served 9. Get your barf bags out.Whoa whoa whoa, wait a minute. The statute of limitations for a false allegation is not equal to that of the crime the allegation is about? Please tell me that is at least from the time the allegation is made and not from the time of the supposed crime. Otherwise I'm going to go cry into my cheerios. | /r/MensRights | 03/04/12 07:54 PM |
| 6 | Girls and coding: female peer pressure scares them offI'm now saying I blanket disagree with the article, but as a male who has faced every enumerated problem they describe women shying from, I fail to see their point. It wasn't easy for me being a nerd growing up. They may be approaching it from the women's side, but any social backlash for being a programmer happens to both genders. It feels like they're trivializing that. | /r/MensRights | 02/04/12 10:17 PM |
| 1 | "35 Brutally Honest Reasons Men Say No to Sex"I had the time, just not the communication. I equate it to trying and practicing all kinds of sports plays, but having no idea which ones will actually win a game. | /r/MensRights | 29/03/12 07:16 PM |
| 13 | "35 Brutally Honest Reasons Men Say No to Sex"You don't seem to enjoy yourself when we have sex and you don't tell me what I can do to make you enjoy it. Combine that with this. I've never had lady bits before. Give me a break and tell me what you like. | /r/MensRights | 28/03/12 03:21 AM |
| 14 | Of course, like any site that thrives on pseudonymity, Reddit attracts its share of the sick and the deluded. There’s a subreddit, MensRights, “for people who believe that men are currently being disadvantaged by society,”Really? Because it sounded to me like it just insulted the author back and offered no argument to the author's point that there is no needs for a men's rights movement. A better case would have been to identify some of the numerous topics this sub discusses and explain why they are men's rights issues. Not that I don't appreciate a good fuck you every now and then, but I don't think it will help get the article edited. | /r/MensRights | 21/03/12 05:42 AM |
| 0 | Dear MRA's : Stop Being Angry.Your argument makes a lot of sense, but how do you propose avoiding people marginalizing our arguments because of the angry way in which they are presented? | /r/MensRights | 15/03/12 09:01 AM |
| 1 | A feminist definition of abuse backfiresYou're only addressing half of it though. Being offended by white people saying nigger is perfectly understandable, so long as all races are held to that same standard. | /r/MensRights | 15/03/12 08:41 AM |
| 16 | A feminist definition of abuse backfiresDo you see the inherent racism in that though? You're treating someone differently because of their ancestry. Why is someone a certain race? Because their parents were. Why is someone part of a certain ancestry? Because their parents were. Both ancestry and race are inherited from parents. In fact, race is determined by ancestry. And as far as I know, we've done away with the caste system in most of the first world. | /r/MensRights | 14/03/12 09:26 PM |
| 1 | A word on Radfems, the SPLC and ugly hypocrisyTrue, you can't communicate with a troll or someone who would just manipulate your honest attempts at reason. However, most people (especially outside of the internet) are not like that. They may blindly follow people who are, but I have faith in individuals. That is why I believe it is important to realize that bridging the gap doesn't mean crossing to the opponent's side. Creating common ground also allows your opponent to see things from your perspective as well. | /r/MensRights | 13/03/12 05:48 PM |
| 1 | A word on Radfems, the SPLC and ugly hypocrisyI suspected you might have been the author since the screenshot was taken minutes after your reply. Might I suggest editing yourself out of the image to avoid any contextual confusion? It would be unfortunate if new MRAs thought you were one of the bad guys. | /r/MensRights | 13/03/12 05:44 PM |
| 2 | A word on Radfems, the SPLC and ugly hypocrisyI'm not sure if this was the author's intent, but in one of the reddit grabs, namely this one, the lack of context makes it look like you agree with the inflammatory post. So to provide said missing context for anyone wondering, I'm pretty sure Qanan was saying that banning the poster was the no-brainer. | /r/MensRights | 13/03/12 06:56 AM |
| 5 | A word on Radfems, the SPLC and ugly hypocrisyWhen you agree with your opponent's irrationality, you give it power. This is why you don't agree with irrationality. The point is to listen to an opponent to learn where you already agree. When you establish common ground, you can bridge the gap that makes them an opponent in the first place. | /r/MensRights | 13/03/12 06:51 AM |
| 1 | Sorry guys, I'm stepping down as mod. Reddit is being held hostage by virtual thugsI'm glad you make that distinction. Targeting all of feminism just weakens us IMO. | /r/MensRights | 11/03/12 07:27 AM |
| 1 | Sorry guys, I'm stepping down as mod. Reddit is being held hostage by virtual thugsWhen you put it that way, I think I can get behind it. Lets just treat this like alcohol and use it responsibly. | /r/MensRights | 10/03/12 07:10 AM |
| 5 | Sorry guys, I'm stepping down as mod. Reddit is being held hostage by virtual thugsI'm conflicted on that idea. While I think it is good to marginalize the people who wish to elevate women beyond equality, I worry that it would be too easy to backfire and marginalize our point instead. What we need is a way to turn feminists against the people you're referring to as female supremacists. Highlighting them with a title is a good start, but only if we can fight back against the inevitable victim blaming argument. tl;dr: I support identifying the bad ones as something other that f… | /r/MensRights | 10/03/12 02:23 AM |
| 1 | An example of lying with statistics regarding sexual assault / domestic violence.I wouldn't personally phrase it that way, as it would imply I don't like feminism. However, that is a great analogy. | /r/MensRights | 05/03/12 06:17 PM |
| 1 | This subreddit needs to shake off its anti-women reputation for the sake of these issues being taken seriously.I see what you're saying. There have been arguments in the past that it would be better to push for a group advocating equal rights with no focus on either gender. However, before that can be created I believe it is necessary to get more public awareness that there even is an imbalance affecting men. In a way, that is a role that MRM can fill. In the long term, I think the best result is if a gender-neutral equality group took hold. But that means neither feminism or MRM. Until then, both femini… | /r/MensRights | 05/03/12 08:13 AM |
| 1 | This subreddit needs to shake off its anti-women reputation for the sake of these issues being taken seriously.Thanks! So, to take this to the next step, would you agree that this negativity is keeping MRM from greater success? I believe that in order to take this to the big leagues, MRM needs powerful allies. However, nobody likes a negative nancy. Particularly when it results in offending people. So by curbing this negativity, I propose that we could get a groundswell of support without compromising on our goals of equality. | /r/MensRights | 05/03/12 04:13 AM |
| 7 | This subreddit needs to shake off its anti-women reputation for the sake of these issues being taken seriously.I think he is right, but only in part. The worst offenders get downvoted, and many of the not so bad offenders. However, many also get upvoted as they appeal to the wounds many MRAs carry. | /r/MensRights | 05/03/12 02:13 AM |
| 4 | This subreddit needs to shake off its anti-women reputation for the sake of these issues being taken seriously.One thing I've noticed with the recent threads in general is that more moderate MRAs who appreciate what you have to say speak with upvotes, not comments. I agree that the generalizations need to stop, and I think many of us here do. If we all were more vocal, things might be very different. Fortunately, as more people like you and others who have weighed in with a moderate opinion speak up, the more will rally. :) As for why these generalizations take hold, I believe it has to do with having a … | /r/MensRights | 05/03/12 02:11 AM |
| 66 | Can we change the title of /r/mensrights to something less angry?I strongly support this. Negative language will only hold us back. | /r/MensRights | 03/03/12 04:11 PM |
| 2 | Can we change the title of /r/mensrights to something less angry?Trouble, perhaps, but just because they are vocal doesn't mean they are the majority. OP has a very good point asking for this change, and I personally think it is a step in the right direction. | /r/MensRights | 03/03/12 03:56 PM |
| 1 | An example of lying with statistics regarding sexual assault / domestic violence.There are a lot of people here who feel hurt, and nothing rallies these people better than a common enemy. If you try to get between them and the focus of their anger, your bound to get hit by some of it. I'm not saying it's right. Rather, just trying to explain why may have seen such a harsh response. For what it's worth, I've been arguing we need to stop bashing feminism and focus on the bad data and individuals for a while now. I too have taken flak for it. What I've found works best is to av… | /r/MensRights | 02/03/12 09:19 PM |
| 1 | WTF is a "Derailment Argument"?I agree that does derail the focus of the argument, but it's use being to specifically prevent further discussion is not so cut and dry. Bringing race into a discussion about gender issues could make sense if the context of the discussion was relevant to racial influences as well. Basically, I don't think a derailment of topic and a malicious derailment argument are the same thing. In fact, I think it is often necessary to require people to consider how their argument applies on a larger scale. … | /r/MensRights | 02/03/12 12:54 AM |
| 1 | WTF is a "Derailment Argument"?I think I get it, but that's a term that is very easy to abuse. For example: A. I assert that all shoes are actually the color brown. Brown is a mix of three key colors in different amounts. Effectively, by subtly changing the amount of each color you get a different shade of brown. So then, since all shoe colors are a mix of the same three colors, they're all shades of brown. B. According to your argument, all colors are the color brown. A. No, because when shoes are made they mix three colors.… | /r/MensRights | 01/03/12 11:17 PM |
| 5 | Westville woman admits she pushed her boyfriend in front of a train as it was approaching | NJ.com | Beating on Video Gone ViralYou know, women are the ones who should get more jail time for hitting men. I'll have to stop you there. I don't care what your rationalization is. That is unequal treatment, and not the goal of MRM. Both genders should be punished equally. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/12 10:18 PM |
| 1 | Oh how I love the fairness of the Child Support system.Lets start by enumerating our goals. This will allow collaboration to happen at a high level, and any necessary compromises be discussed before implementation complicates matters. | /r/MensRights | 01/03/12 10:10 PM |
| 2 | An example of lying with statistics regarding sexual assault / domestic violence.Speaking of education, as a white male, I'm confused by the privilege I supposedly have. This could be naivety about what problems exist in the world, but I haven't felt particularly privileged. Would you mind explaining it to me? With sources if possible (although I know that can be difficult, it just helps make the argument stick). I'm really curious and want to understand. Disclaimer: I know there are aspects of the world and this country unfair to women. This contraception argument being a b… | /r/MensRights | 29/02/12 06:57 AM |
| 1 | An example of lying with statistics regarding sexual assault / domestic violence.Precisely. I couldn't agree more. MRM needs allies, not enemies. I think the sooner we stop treating feminists as enemies, the sooner we'll see rapid progress. Including pushing out the people who do skew or just falsify information. | /r/MensRights | 29/02/12 02:52 AM |
| 1 | An example of lying with statistics regarding sexual assault / domestic violence.I wouldn't use the term bigot, but I do agree that broad based aggression towards feminists is counter productive. We're not all this way, I promise :). | /r/MensRights | 29/02/12 02:47 AM |
| 1 | My recent observation of feminismThank you both for your well reasoned conversation. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/12 08:28 AM |
| 1 | "If women insist on viewing every man as Schrodinger's Rapist, then men will fight back by viewing every rape claim as Schrodinger's Accusation."Not quite. The legal system does not assume that the victim is telling the truth. In addition, for this to work it would need to be a cultural approach as well as a legal one. We as people need to treat both parties as though they are telling the truth. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/12 08:19 AM |
| 1 | "If women insist on viewing every man as Schrodinger's Rapist, then men will fight back by viewing every rape claim as Schrodinger's Accusation."Thank you for the positive feedback. I'm hoping to encourage more of this kind of discussion in the subreddit. So knowing people appreciate it goes a long way. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/12 08:12 AM |
| 1 | "If women insist on viewing every man as Schrodinger's Rapist, then men will fight back by viewing every rape claim as Schrodinger's Accusation."I'm glad you agree with my goals to support both the victim and accused. But how do you plan to resolve the inevitable conflict where both individuals may go to the same school, work at the same office, or be close friends? I have not yet been able to find a way that is both caring for the victim and does not violate the premise that the accused is innocent. This is why I say my proposed design is not perfect. | /r/MensRights | 27/02/12 08:10 AM |
| 6 | "If women insist on viewing every man as Schrodinger's Rapist, then men will fight back by viewing every rape claim as Schrodinger's Accusation."There are areas that are difficult to properly handle, but I think it can be done. So say a person claims they were raped. The people that hear about it should believe it happened unless proven otherwise. They should help this person receive medical care and gather any evidence a rapist could have left behind, as well as provide emotional support. Now when the victim says who did it, that needs to be handled completely separately. Even if people involved know the accused, they need to take their… | /r/MensRights | 25/02/12 09:46 AM |
| 1 | "If women insist on viewing every man as Schrodinger's Rapist, then men will fight back by viewing every rape claim as Schrodinger's Accusation."Yeah, you're probably right. Every statement works best with an explanation. I'm thinking of compiling a document filled with these backed by proper and well thought out explanations. That way, I can repeatedly give solid replies without having to take my lunch break writing each one. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/12 09:18 AM |
| 2 | "If women insist on viewing every man as Schrodinger's Rapist, then men will fight back by viewing every rape claim as Schrodinger's Accusation."I'd like to see a version of this that can be used for generalized fear of men. I can't count the number of times I've been treated poorly or told to treat other men poorly because there is a chance he might end up violent. There is being prepared, and then there is being afraid. I think people are too far to the latter these days. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/12 02:28 AM |
| 2 | "If women insist on viewing every man as Schrodinger's Rapist, then men will fight back by viewing every rape claim as Schrodinger's Accusation."I think there is needs to be a balance here. The claim that a person was raped should be taken as truth until proven otherwise. However, the accused individual should be considered innocent until proven guilty. | /r/MensRights | 25/02/12 02:25 AM |
| 8 | University of Oregon Law Student run out of school by two women claiming they were mutually drunk and had sex, but couldn't remember.Nobody deserves anything bad happening to them, be they man or woman. The question is, who's fault is it? This is a line that isn't always obvious, but other times is. Someone mugged you? Precautions or not, the fault is on the mugger. However, taking precautions will lessen the likelihood of it happening. Dog charges and attacks you? This gets fuzzier. If you don't react aggressively, it may be that the situation can be diffused or the dog's intentions were misunderstood. However, laws right no… | /r/MensRights | 20/02/12 09:52 AM |
| 9 | How to Get Pregnant without Him KnowingThe ends justifies the means, right? /sarcasm | /r/MensRights | 18/02/12 11:19 PM |
| 4 | How come all the subreddits related to girl child sexualization have been removed but the ones related to boy child sexualization are still active?They requested that redditors tell them if there are any they missed. So report those subreddits first. Then if they still don't do anything, grab pitchforks. | /r/MensRights | 17/02/12 09:21 AM |
| 1 | Is it wrong to do circumcisions?Well whadda ya know. I never realized I was misspelling that. Thanks for the tip. | /r/MensRights | 16/02/12 07:09 PM |
| 3 | Is it wrong to do circumcisions?I didn't say to sugarcoat it or downplay the severity. What I'm talking about is a basic tenet of polite discourse. If you insult someone, they won't want to listen to what you have to say no matter how correct you may be. Your goal is to convince others that infant circumcision is wrong, right? So why not try to go about it in the most effective means possible? Edit: tenant => tenet. The more you know ... | /r/MensRights | 16/02/12 08:42 AM |
| 11 | Is it wrong to do circumcisions?Dude, you make some good points but the harsh tone was unnecessary. It was just a simple question. I'm sure you have strong feelings about it, but it's not like he's bragging. Tone it down or the people you offend will just tune you out. | /r/MensRights | 16/02/12 05:30 AM |
| 2 | r/mensrights has an image problemI'm starting to feel the same way. Between the trolls, the radicals, and the vengeful, it's hard to filter through to a moderate opinion. Thank you for your support IRL. Even if this subreddit never comes around, I hope the IRL movement picks up steam and works with feminism to further equality discussion and law. | /r/MensRights | 13/02/12 10:39 AM |
| 2 | How I became an MRA: Domestic violence advocacy"Trust, but verify" if.I'm understanding it right, is the model that I believe should be applied to all abuse cases, regardless of gender. In fact, I think it could be a powerful banner with which to unify men's and women's advocacy groups. It neither blames the victim, nor prematurely punishes the accused. | /r/MensRights | 12/02/12 08:34 AM |
| 2 | You'll like this oneWhat I see here is a person who doesn't believe in "innocent until proven guilty". He outright states that he would rather a man be falsely accused than a rape go unpunished. At that point, I have no counter argument. This is a bigger issue than men and women, and I personally believe it is crippling our country. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/12 11:20 AM |
| 15 | r/mensrights has an image problemIf I had to pick what I like the least about this subreddit, it's the bashing of feminists. I don't think it helps our image at all to pigeon hole and demean people that could be our allies. And just because there are people spouting hate for men under the name feminism is no reason to bash the entire group. By doing that,.we're as bad as the people we complain about. | /r/MensRights | 11/02/12 11:11 AM |
| 1 | Upcoming movie "This Means War". Really want to see it, torn because of the thought of what would happen if the roles were reversed.That argument is good when used in the context of explaining why the movie is portraying something unacceptable. However, that's not what I hear from many MRAs who cite this argument. Perhaps I'm getting the wrong impression, but I hear people using it to rage against the perceived enemy: 'feminists'. There is a time and a place to be upset about what people say under the guise of feminism, but that place is not this hypothetical. Yet that is where everyone seems to take gender reversal. In othe… | /r/MensRights | 09/02/12 08:35 AM |
| 1 | Upcoming movie "This Means War". Really want to see it, torn because of the thought of what would happen if the roles were reversed.I agree that this movie is demeaning in how it portrays women treating men, but do we really need to have the circlejerk about what would happen with gender reversal? Isn't it enough to admit this movie is socially unacceptable and address that issue instead? | /r/MensRights | 08/02/12 11:08 PM |
| 2 | Two female students given brownies laced with (~90 doses) laxatives to 12 male students [details are in the comments of the article]Why is this here? I don't see anything here that indicates gender based motivation or clear gender specific mishandling of the event. | /r/MensRights | 06/02/12 10:30 PM |
| 11 | "Men are boorish and lazy. Why won't they marry us?"To be fair, this isn't so much an issue on gender as it is on what each person wants in a relationship. I had this same problem with my ex, but I was the one who wanted her time. In my case, I wanted her to come to family events for holidays. Not every holiday, we could share. But if she (we) weren't going to spend it with her family, I wanted her to come with me to mine. She didn't like that, and it took me a long time to figure out why. It's not that she is wrong, she just valued independence.… | /r/MensRights | 06/02/12 09:43 PM |
| -8 | Anyone find this disgusting? 17 year old accused of rape full name and photo published online.It doesn't matter who brought this here. I understand you're trying to read between the lines, but please understand that you still sound hostile as a result. | /r/MensRights | 04/02/12 02:52 AM |
| 1 | NAFALT (Not All Feminists Are Like That) and "Check Your Privilege... XpostPrioritization and implicit bias is why I believe there should be two groups instead of one. So long as it stays civil, having discussions between the groups will yield a growing population that is educated about both sides. The most discussed topics become the highest priority, and the bias is washed out by the overwhelming majority of people who subscribe to neither group. Effectively creating humanists out of the educated public. Effectively, neither group 'wins' in this setup explicitly. But… | /r/MensRights | 27/01/12 06:34 AM |
| 3 | NAFALT (Not All Feminists Are Like That) and "Check Your Privilege... XpostBoth Feminism and MRA are rife with adherents that either don't grasp the underlying principles and miss that equality means fighting for both sexes or are simply opportunists advocating for change that benefits themselves. I agree If equality is what you want, jump ship to humanism or another group that isn't gender-specific. I disagree. While I wish it wasn't this way, you need to yell -really- loud to be heard. If a group's voice isn't all yelling the same thing, they're not going to progress… | /r/MensRights | 26/01/12 08:58 AM |
| 2 | Why I Advocate for Men’s RightsYou raise a good point in that many MRAs get defensive when rape comes up and lose sight of how a woman could have actually been hurt. That's why I think the paragraph you quoted describes things is very insightful. If a person says they were raped, believe them and give them help. When they say who did it, defer to a proper criminal investigation. Unfortunately, I think it is a bit idealistic to expect that to ever happen on a wide scale. That separation of believing the story but not the peopl… | /r/MensRights | 25/01/12 07:01 PM |
| 1 | Penis burning wife found NOT GUILTY of husband’s murderGood point. But where is the line between manslaughter and murder? From just observation, manslaughter looks like what people get charged with when they want murder with a lighter sentence. | /r/MensRights | 25/01/12 09:54 AM |
| 1 | Penis burning wife found NOT GUILTY of husband’s murderProbably skeptical for a good reason, but why would a troll keep deleting it? Is it being removed by mods? That's the only explanation that makes sense to me. To that point, I still don't know which subreddit we're talking about. So whether it be self-deleting trolls or mods, the vitriol is apparently moderately well contained. | /r/MensRights | 25/01/12 09:49 AM |
| 7 | Penis burning wife found NOT GUILTY of husband’s murderSee, and here I was told that was 2nd degree murder. Intent makes it premeditated, therefor 1st degree. Manslaughter, as I was told about it, was accidental with no ill will, but still involving criminal action. Such as a car accident from speeding. Not that I really agree with these definitions. That's just how it was explained to me through high school. | /r/MensRights | 24/01/12 07:01 PM |
| 3 | Penis burning wife found NOT GUILTY of husband’s murderThe link you replied to is already gone, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were discrediting trolls. Most MRAs really just want to raise awareness about how the pendulum of equality has swung too far in some areas of society. | /r/MensRights | 24/01/12 06:58 PM |
| 27 | I Have Female Privilege.This drove me crazy when I worked the morning stocking crew at Costco. The two women on staff worked in the center folding clothes and putting out books. They always finished early (there were two of them for effectively one person's job), and they were never asked by managers to help anywhere else. Meanwhile, I'd have to go stock car batteries and move furniture after I finished my work because other people were behind. When it came down to it, these ladies were just being lazy. But they got to… | /r/MensRights | 21/01/12 01:10 PM |
| 37 | Dear MensRightsDude, I know you're probably thinking you're got this mostly under control at this point, but please see a therapist about it as soon as you can. I was falsely accused of rape at 17. I'm 25 now and have only though therapy discovered how much the guilt for what I didn't do has shaped my life. Even after I thought I left it behind me in high school, the damage to my self trust grew into bigger issues. If nothing else, hearing I didn't do anything wrong from someone who isn't a friend has lifted a… | /r/MensRights | 17/01/12 09:20 AM |
| 14 | I just realized that in the 17 years that I've been sexually active, not one woman respected my wishes when I declined sex.If pressuring someone into consent by bugging them about it and being whiny constituted rape, then half of all teenagers would be in prison. I understand the point that a person may not have wanted to make that decision had the pressure not been there, but that's their mistake. Pressuring someone is a lame tactic, but it isn't rape. It can become sexual harassment, but that's a whole different can of worms. I do sympathize with the OP though. I think society teaches women that men wont ever say … | /r/MensRights | 21/12/11 09:28 AM |
| 1 | My wife just came back from Child Protective Services mediation training and told me that they teach that the man is ALWAYS the aggressor.The whole story was worded like it was providing anecdotal evidence, yet nothing bad actually happened. If the author's intent was to provide evidence that the CPA actually investigates claims, this story has a purpose. If the author's intent was to provide evidence that the CPA discriminates against men, which is what it sounded like, I just don't see it. And in case you're wondering why I take issue with the article, it's because it sounds very familiar to me. It sounds like how people automat… | /r/MensRights | 20/12/11 10:42 AM |
| -1 | My wife just came back from Child Protective Services mediation training and told me that they teach that the man is ALWAYS the aggressor.There is no evidence in pool_dolphin's link, assuming it all true, that there was anything more than a vindictive neighbor filing false claims. Just a big story about what 'could' have been. Is this supposed to make me afraid? | /r/MensRights | 15/12/11 02:58 AM |
| 10 | Found this in r/funny. And it had over 650 upvotes. Really???I wouldn't get upset over something like this. It's a joke (hence r/funny) based on over-generalization of a group. Comedians do this kind of thing all the time. If they really believe this, then feel sorry for them. They are in for a rude surprise. For example, I find my cousins quite attractive ;) | /r/MensRights | 16/11/11 09:17 AM |
| 4 | Is it true that false rape allegations can destroy a man's life?Oh don't worry about that. If I was trying to avoid those memories I wouldn't be in this subreddit. It's good to talk about these things. :) I too am not sure how to address this sort of problem. We shouldn't be blind to victims, but by prematurely condemning the accused we often just create more. It's a tough problem, but so long as people are willing to keep an open mind and polite discussion I feel it is one we can all solve. That is why I'd like to thank you. It seems like people here have b… | /r/MensRights | 02/11/11 07:55 AM |
| 3 | Is it true that false rape allegations can destroy a man's life?To this case, I have nothing but anecdotal evidence, FWIW. I was falsely accused by my 1st girlfriend when I was 17. I never found out why. Only that she tried to later take it back, but once her family heard and word spread she was convinced she was in denial. It never went to the police, so there was no legal fallout. What did happen however was purely on a social level. What resulted was a subtle alienation. Friends began distancing themselves, but never said why. Some would have outbursts of… | /r/MensRights | 02/11/11 05:32 AM |
| 3 | Is it true that false rape allegations can destroy a man's life?I think for anyone to be right or wrong depends on what context you are referring to a minority. For example, hispanics are a minority of citizens in the USA. However, they are not in Mexico. So, what is the context here? Are you saying the minority of accusations made are false? Are you saying the minority of false accusations destroy lives? Please clarify. | /r/MensRights | 02/11/11 01:21 AM |
| 28 | Only women should help in the potty. Dads might be predators.It's more the, "I know it's wrong but I just feel this way" kind of excuse. Try that one with racism and see how far it gets you. "I don't want a black person helping my child to the bathroom. I know it's racist, but I just don't feel comfortable with it." People would look at you with a mix of confusion and anger just for saying it. | /r/MensRights | 20/10/11 05:09 AM |
| 2 | Next time you fap, check your balls for testicular cancerAs a supporter of Movember, I very much approve of this. | /r/MensRights | 18/10/11 04:20 AM |
| 10 | Fuck that mentality.Consider this situation from the person at the door. I've had this happen to me. My moving truck was stuck in the apartment complex I was moving into. We needed someone to move their car so the driver could get past. I went door to door looking for the owner of the car. Not one person answered their door. It was the middle of the day, I'm a fairly well groomed person, but -nobody- answered their door. At first I thought people may not be home. It was the middle of the day after all. But at one a… | /r/MensRights | 23/09/11 08:59 PM |
| 3 | What do you do to help Men's Rights?My SO and I stepped in a few days ago to tell some friends of ours (a couple) that their relationship was becoming abusive. The woman was becoming very verbally aggressive and controlling, with the occasional not so playful punch when he was acting silly and she didn't like it. After a while, it was clear he wasn't ok with this. She got pretty mad at us for involving ourselves when we finally spoke up. Kept insisting that we don't understand her emotions in all this. Apparently she was telling h… | /r/MensRights | 21/09/11 06:12 AM |
| 4 | Male Privilege? - Found this captioned picture while surfing, thought you'd all might find it moving as wellJust taking a guess here, but I thought it was because women can use prostitution when stuck in complete poverty. Men have no such asset. I have no idea if this is actually true or not. Again, just taking a guess. | /r/MensRights | 18/09/11 02:22 AM |
| 2 | New DNA Laws Make Innocent Men Automatic Suspects for Future CrimesI agree that cameras in a public place is not wrong. Just because you don't agree with a law, didn't mean you should have the privacy to break it. | /r/MensRights | 07/09/11 07:05 AM |
| 1 | New DNA Laws Make Innocent Men Automatic Suspects for Future CrimesAside from planted evidence, nothing here really bothers me. I'm of the opinion that any surveillance of me in public that does not interfere with my life is not a bad thing. What I often hear is people arguing that this surveillance could be used for tyranny. If and when that happens, it is the tyranny that is wrong, not the non-invasive surveillance. I guess I just don't consider my DNA to be private. No more than my face or fingerprint. | /r/MensRights | 07/09/11 07:02 AM |
| 3 | New DNA Laws Make Innocent Men Automatic Suspects for Future CrimesI don't see my DNA being compared against what is found in a crime anymore a violation of my rights than asking a witness if they recognize a photo of me. What I think this article fails to mention (and to be fair I only read the first half), is that DNA matches are not proof of guilt. Just because a database shows me as a hit for a rape across the country doesn't mean the cops will bust down my door. It would make me a suspect, but I think that makes sense. | /r/MensRights | 06/09/11 07:46 AM |
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